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NFL & College Football Betting Tips & Picks with Host Adam Burke September 19, 2019

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NFL & College Football Betting Tips & Picks with Host Adam Burke September 19, 2019

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Somebody very influential bet this number up to five and a half it may have even touched six at a few places out there some of the public shops some of the shops willing to take on some exposure and some risk still sitting out there at five and again like we talked about on Monday like I talked about in my video preview for this game over on our Bang Book Youtube page. It's a really bad spot for Houston because you go from preparing for the air raid to preparing for this is modified spread option on a short week and also Houston with some defensive losses from last year in a new coaching staff. That's not as well versed in facing this Willie Willie Fritz team so I think it's a really really tough spot for the cougars in a lot of ways. The problem here is this number is quite high up. At Five. You still have a dynamic player Indira King who has not been as efficient this season as he was last season. He's been okay running. The football is completion percentage down considerably Shibli from last year. It seems like he's having a hard time grasping this data hoeger offense so again any time you talk about a team that plays the ball control style of offense way to lane does run the football easy throws with Justin Macmillan. You've got to maximize your possessions if you're Houston. I think that's a tough thing for them to do in this game even even though my Pierpaolo rating number in this game is one like I mentioned earlier in the week probably a two and a half or so point adjustment to the spot for Houston yeah and even at at that point I'm still only at three and a half but the only way I could really look tonight is to land not played for me not a strong opinion by any means but again a very very telling line move here in this one over on the NFL side tonight titans and Jaguars Tennessee one and a half point favorite at open not a whole lot of movement here on this game one and a half or two. We have seen the total kind of bounce around a little bit dropping down from forty to thirty eight would expect a low scoring game here again then you've got governor. Menchu in his second career start first career start on a short week. It's a very tough spot for rookie quarterback to be in especially a rookie quarterback. We're back. That doesn't really have a ton of help at the skill positions here for Jacksonville. They had some injuries throughout training camp. Leonard Fournette just really hasn't been the explosive plays. The Jaguars hoped he would be not a whole lot of help at the skill positions for men shoe Tennessee on the other hand. Maybe a little bit better equipped for the short week but also still injury and suspension concerns on the offensive line. We know Jacksonville. Defense is very good. Jacksonville's defense quite possibly the best unit on the field here between these two uteem's. Tennessee they run the ball well with Derrick Henry. They do so swing pass and screen type stuff but it's really hard for America. Marcus Mariota to soften offense and defense doesn't have a lot of deep threats not particularly good at throwing the deep ball kind of improvises something of a dual threat type of guy and that's the worry that you have here tonight with Tennessee who should win the game. I would think especially with the short week and the rookie quarterback angle but I don't know how much success they have moving. The Football Jacksonville will pack the line will flood the box. The sixties will probably play a yard or two closer line of scrimmage than they otherwise would against a better offensive offensive team because you don't really have to worry about Mariota beating you over the top. I this is an ugly game. I agree with the move on the under under thirty eight would be the way I would look here in this one you know maybe you could take a look at teasing Jacksonville up to seven and a half teasing the total up a little bit into that forty four ranch kind of get some that wash line value back to play a side and teaser under if you've got a book that allows you to do that but ultimately overall again the only thing I would look at the under thirty eight because I think this is very ugly miserable bad division game here on Thursday night so just some thoughts therefore you on tonight's two games and back over to the college side and take a look at some of these games that we really haven't talked about too much here yet this week you know. I think Louisiana Monroe and Iowa state state right at the top of the board for Saturday's a really interesting game because I state devastating loss last week in the rivalry game. The fans stuck it out through a couple. The weather delays now. You've got an eleven. Am Kickoff in Ames against Sun belt team a decent improving sunbelt team there with Matt via doing a good job with with the war hawks. I just a tough one for Iowa state. I tough one to get going. It's one of those situations where you're going to have to create your own energy and those was to be tough for these college teams in these early kickoffs. You know it'd be a similar thing uconn in Indiana Indiana coming off getting blown out by Ohio state. Do they have a buzz in the building and eleven. AM and Bloomington for this skin. I don't know and these are two big numbers here that you're looking at where I state you know a decent offensive team but are they offensive team built to create a Lotta margin. Put this game away in the second half. I don't know Indiana same thing thing. We know. Yukon is awful. You can't as one of the worst teams we've ever seen in college football over the last two years that's a big number and I know it's gone up from twenty six and a half to twenty eight but these are the considerations for handicapping standpoint not just the XS and os but also is Iowa State Bobo allies and invested fasted to go out there and blow out Louisiana Monroe in an early kickoff coming off such a heartbreak you know in that rivalry game against against Iowa and furthermore. I always plays Baylor next week so they get into conference play on the road there in Waco and well. There are a few different schools of thought here. I mentioned this talking about situational spots sometime last week on the show. There's a lot of narratives surrounding situational spots you can mold them to fit the side that you like. You can mold them to you know to validate the argument that you're trying to make for Iowa state. It's a bad spot off. The rivalry game devastating loss early kickoff on the other hand. You can say Matt Campbell. WHO's a very good head. Coach can mobilize his team to take out some frustration on an inferior opponent. Get things fixed up and squared away before you play Baylor next week so you can't really take your off guess because you're trying to work through some of the problems. You've had here so far this season and what you've had a lot of problems. You don't have David Montgomery. You don't have a keen butler. You've gotta get this offense figured out because in big twelve play you gotta score some points. I always say it's a very good defensively but you gotta score some points so some people can say early kickoff letdown spa off of last week's emotional loss and a conference game on deck. Other people can say conference game deck. You'd better get your shit together and let's forget about that bad loss last week by going out here and blowing out and opponent so a lot of considerations here for that in Monroe Iowa state game you kind of Indiana a little bit of a different spot in that Indiana goes back into big ten play but also they're coming off. I'm getting blown out by teams just superior to them so again. These are things that you want to look at you. Sometimes you're going to have these big winds that appear to be throw throwaway games when you start peeling back the layers. Maybe find some more. Anglesey do like a little bit. You'll talked about Miami of Ohio and Ohio State. yesterday's show the Buckeyes on the road in Lincoln for their next game. How invested are they in blowing out in in-state Mac opponent. It's different when you play Cincinnati a team. That probably talked a lot during the game. You know a team that was very good at as C. former DC luke fickle coming to town on your former player Marcus Freeman defensive coordinator. That's a game you're invested. That's a game you'll get up for you. Get up for Miami of Ohio probably not I wouldn't think so listen afternoon kickoff so stadium. Maybe a little bit livelier than some of these other spots but still you know I it's. It's a challenge to get up to create enough margin to beat these inferior teams. Maybe Iowa state has that chip on its shoulder that they need it. Doesn't I don't know if Indiana does either so those are some considerations for some of those early big spread games as it moved on the board a little bit. You'll old dominion in Virginia's genius kind of an interesting game to me. I faded Old Dominion Virginia Tech and the Golden Nugget a couple of weeks ago. Virginia Tech had every reason to be in that game. They got beat last sure my old dominion they were trying to work things out on the offensive side trying to get a little more efficient. WanNa questions about bud foster's defense but never had a prayer to cover that number this Virginia used that game as kind of a frame of reference to their players and say hey boys look. Let's do what I rival couldn't do on the the other hand they displayed for two state favorite against Florida state for the first time ever in their head to head meetings and now you play Old Dominion. That's a letdown Old Dominion. Maybe not a good team wine coming down from thirty and a half to twenty eight and a half here but that's the thing here you know Virginia WanNa put margin in this game or do they want to get ahead. Put It in cruise control and sit bryce perkins when of course at that point in time you run into the question of Bryce Perkins isn't going to be there forever ever in Charlottesville. Let's go ahead and run the offense with the backup the way that we normally would you does broncos running up on somebody. I don't know again these a big spread games probably throwaways for a lot of people because they're like well. I don't WanNa lay that number and obviously the underdog isn't very good so I don't WanNa take that number either but there are a lot of emotional and situational arguments to be made in these games again. There are two sides to every situation coin but you may value one more than another and maybe that does put you on a specific game or something like that so again a lot of these big favourite numbers up on the top of the board here for the college football card another one troy and Akron troy seventeen and a half point favorite here on an Akron team that is awful. I mean Akrons Akrons. One twenty in my power ratings now one of the worst teams in college football but for Troy what is their incentive to go to Akron Ohio a place that they're not typically going to go and blow this team out you'll do. They have any incentive to go up there and do do that. Is that something that they're going to be invested in with next week. They play Arkansas state any big conference opener there in the sun belt. You know maybe troy by default. Just does crush accurate. Maybe Akron is just that bad troy with a big running back injury. Though I believe this is B.j Smith he's out for the rest of the year for them. very very good running back so they're short handed a little bit you know do they run the risk of losing somebody else or they try to give that guy a bunch of reps and see what he's able to do for the rest of the season. Get a lot of oars and and and Butts when you talk about these big spreads in these non conference games that are out there for ball state. NC State Ball State a team at some sharp people like coming into the season. NC State looks very good in their first game playing you know some lesser caliber teams then they go on the road to West Virginia and get pretty handily beaten. Do they bounce back here this week against ball state certainly they could. They have the offensive personnel to put some margin in a game but also for ball state you look they're not going anywhere this season. They're probably not even going to a bowl game. They may not even sniff boilers ability so they have no look ahead spot. They're not worried about anything like that. They just WANNA go down there and try and play well against the power five team. You know the most dangerous team is one that has nothing to lose and really you'll Boston. There's nothing lose so does. NC State cover a number like that. There's always some games here with some more reasonable lines. Georgia state and Texas State is interesting and you know Georgia's state that big win over Tennessee didn't they get truck last week by Western Michigan and their underdog to Georgia state Georgia state at three point favorite a Texas state Texas state of three point favorite Texas state virtually never favored over anybody and their favorite here against the team that was good enough one week to beat Tennessee and bad enough to follow it week to give up like seven hundred yards against western Michigan so that's one where you probably WANNA look for the context clues in the marketplace. Yeah this line set three all week. But where is it going. Where is the juice. What looks to be the preferred site right now. I don't see any answers to those questions out there and that's the game. It's not going to draw any public activity anyway. Move is going to be sharp on Georgia state versus Texas state. It's GonNa be somebody who's a respected better or at least somebody with influential enough money to move that number so far we haven't seen it but Texas state a team. A lot of people liked against Wyoming. They were the better team in that game but they had some turnovers add some other issues and was able to win and cover the number there what happens this week with. George State team just went up to Kalamazoo when they wouldn't normally go. Was that just an outlier performance. Are They not very good good my number looking at that game here specifically with Georgia State and Texas state has that game much closer to pick them. I've got a basically a coin flip game. Texas Alexa states at three point favorite. I don't know if I want to go against Texas state though because with Bob St they're doing more of an air raid type of offense lot of ground for Georgia state to cover defensively in that game where Tennessee wasn't able to spread them out and run that type of offense which is one of the reasons why the volunteers lost that game so so we'll probably go against my power and maybe lean with Texas state in that one again. Those low numbers in those sunbelt lower conference types of games can be a higher variance type of environment because there's a lot of cases those teams very very interchangeable and just home field advantage and some of the other factors into the equation again. I probably should talk about what some people this week three seventy nine eighty. SMU and TCU that line right now SMU awesome you and but a nine point underdog my number is nine in that game did play SMU earlier in the week Ozzy better light openers. We've was eleven and a half at that point in time. I'm expecting that number to go down that. SMU maybe a team flying under the radar a little bit here. I've been better than people expected. I don't think much of Tcu the US Gary Patterson is a good coach but I don't really love the personnel that they have their when you look at this game though this is a rivalry game these schools are forty miles house apart yeah like SMU however obviously the conference discrepancy here TCU in the big twelve SMU in the AFC. He's he was won seven seven in a row eleven of twelve and seventeen of nineteen and a lot of them have been all that close so I do like Smu. I like the direction the program's going in. I grabbed the number there in that game but at the same time this has been about as one-sided of a rivalry as you can get and again differing situational thoughts in a game like this SMU. It's a rivalry game for them. He you see you when you win seventeen of nineteen. How passionate are you about the rivalry. How much does it matter to you in particular when you're a team like TCU. Do you play in the big twelve and you've got some bigger games on the horizon on the other hand. You've won this game seventeen of nineteen eighteen times so you've got a very high confidence level coming into this game. You know you're the better team you've got the better athletes you're in the stronger conference and I like Sonny Dykes so you've got a coaching advantage here with Gary Patterson as well so again I lean with Smu at ten or higher but nine and a half it kind of takes it off the boards a little bit of a tougher offer game in different type of handicap for a variety of different reasons here you got a game like Ucla in Washington state and this'll be the one I'll finish up on give three ninety seven ninety eight Washington state eighteen and a half nineteen point favorite and chip Kelly coming early in the week and saying well. If I had the person I would just run wishbone. I wish I could and there are some people out there that kind of look at this. Ucla a situation and say that the Bruins have already quit on chip Kelly. You know maybe the playbook is too difficult. Maybe he's too much of a hard ass. Maybe you know these guys were recruited by Jim or junior and now they've got chip. Kelly and they've never really fit in your the square peg round hole type thing there's a lot of negativity surrounding the UCLA program in a lot of different facets and that's how you get a game goes from seventeen and a half to eighteen and a half or nineteen and last week money came in like a dam had been broken on Oklahoma aw against UCLA so the market has officially isolated UCLA as a team and keep in mind what three weeks ago four weeks ago now. Ucla took money on the road in Cincinnati taking on the bearcats. Cincinnati covered the number. I didn't play extremely well in that game but still we're the right side for most of it. What a difference a few data points makes right now. UCLA is a pure no-holds-barred fading in Washington state could very well go out there and hang fifty sixty points on this team and Ucla may not sustained drives in Washington State may just roll over them and that's what this line is suggesting so the context of this line move is suggesting testing and these are important things you can take a look at too because again small sample size of games college football inherently something of a high variance. It's environment because you're betting on eighteen to twenty two year old kids look at the context of the line booth you know can't say how many games names if they won the last few years five six something like that combined they're laying eleven and a half against Bowling Green. This week is the Kent State team that you couldn't lay a favorite price with a couple of years ago or last year you wouldn't even WanNa take as a small dog now. They're getting up from nine and a half to eleven and a half half and again. I don't know if that game wins. I don't know if Kent State is the right side but you want to get into the psychology of the betting market and off of the people that massage and manipulate and move these lives even if you're not well versed in the personnel even if you don't do power ratings but just is not for you you can look at the context of the pending market and get a feel for what's going on out there and they don't shed some light on the teams that should be the right side and again. It doesn't always work out that way you know the sharp sharp fifty five fifty six percent long term mm-hmm but these should be the right sides and again yeah there's line value questions in play and things of that sort but look. Anthony Psychology of the Benny Morgan not just in college football not just in the NFL but in all of these sports again yeah like we talked about in yesterday's show the modeling crowd the purely stats based crowd gets the first shots in the market the first shots in the immature market as has the market starts to take shape the handicapping crowd comes in and then as we get closer in the weekend we get plays based on injuries or you know we have plays based you start model tweaks or handicappers or you know in the NFL overwhelming public action coming in that can move the line if there's something sharp on the other side timing and philosophy two very important things to consider when you're looking at the screen and looking at the betting market on a daily or or weekly basis right now at T. mobile get an possum iphone ten hour on us when you bring your family over and trade in your old device because whether whether you have mom dad or a friend on your mind it's a gift so bold and brilliant you. 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Hour 2: 1/10/19

The Paul Finebaum Show

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Hour 2: 1/10/19

"Uh-huh. Cried passion, then patterns re of college football lives here. The Paul finebaum show. Our to podcast. Glad you are with us in. There's good news and bad news. Good news. If you minutes ago is a Daryl dropped. Say that was the bad news. The good news. That was good news the pattern is he got a new phone, Darryl ahead. You know, what here's the difference between Alabama Alabama losing that the the Jamie ship. It was good for college football. I mean, some nisei to go make America great again. Right. But here's the difference right here between Alabama and the rest of college football. I don't know if any team out there deca survive their turnover coaches decks Kosovo by their players leaving early and go into the NFL and remained the getting a fourteen play every year and having thirty four national champs here. I think that was the big thing you saw that Georgia last year played Oklahoma. Isn't that we got your children? Michelle never made that for. I think this year reclusive boys, come back to think about here. Well, yeah, you're right. You're right. Go ahead finish your dog. What I mean? That's what it's still take to beat Alabama. Alabama employs job. You know every here. Go pro. The thing about this for a second. Okay. So so saving lost six assistant coaches last year. And I realize he got to the national championship game. But it did come to roost in that game. He has already reportedly lost four this year. I I hear from people and Tuscaloosa that number could go up by one or two that saving is is in cleaning house mode after a fourteen in season. And you're talking about perhaps by September the first game almost an entirely new staff from last season, and you're still players. Grab right. They haven't done it yet. Yeah. Well, there's a few that are about to go. Sure. I mean, I'm. I would say watched along watch us a long time. It will hurt you at some point and because he replaced curvy smart with with a good coach. Jeremy Pruitt he replaced he replaced. Jeremy Pruitt with a good recruiter. Wasn't a good coach. Now, he's lost another. You know, his offense coordinator situation may be okay with Dan Ninos. But where is he on the defensive side unless he pulls a rabbit out of his hat, which I think is possible or I mean, he needs to go to a hail Mary on the defensive side of the ball. Well through secondary. No doubt about that. But Paul Russo say that you learn more for your losses bakeries if that was the case your, Tennessee. There is or they are smart having turned it around. They wanna joy. Well, you know, there I think you need to restate that I think I think great great leaders. Learn from their deficiencies. I know saving is always in a self evaluation mode. The problem now is after a loss like that. At what what's his temperature in the self evaluation mode. And when you make judgments short term, you better make them correct because you can pay for for those decisions over an extended period of time. I'll tell you what that was ever really big on the chain higher. Hey, did probably maybe a little better. Nice. Take him to do. But he got the moded. I'm gonna keep chain coop into coordinator, Georgia. You're right. And you know, Georgia pay him on the phone. We just don't wanna pay my money. They wouldn't play them all that money. How seem sort of going around fine about it. I mean, listen, you know, Cheney was always under attack by someone from Georgia even even during the good times and he'd been at Tennessee before. Oh, yeah. He was there for about four years. Coordinator. Did you play that rarely happens? But. You know, whatever it takes for them to good. I mean where place for them to get in the bowl game this year. But essay whereabout, Georgia. They probably were a little bit more about Florida who owns them. But I'm glad to got China. I'm looking forward to that match up next year. Another big down galls the vault. Hours a very eloquent call there. Fred isn't Houston. Fred, you're on the show. Good afternoon. I'm wanting to talk to you about something happening twenty seventeen with kinda someone when he received that letter racist letter. And to specific things I wanna point out about that. We're talking about something that happened in September of twenty seventeen. Yes. Kevin around here. Steve. Hold on. Fred before you, go into great detail. Is there reason why it's taking you sixteen months to call? Yes. Because they're actually see this is this is what I want to talk to you about ESPN is reporting that there was an arrest made in that case. And and there's complete blackout and one things I wanted to mention is is why because there was a news media storm over that. And when the letter was sent that now that we actually know who it is. Now, there's nothing we got cricket. Well, here's why this happened in the aftermath of the UCLA laws when UCLA had a big bigly lead leading loss. Someone set a racist note to the family in MRs someone reported it. I think the probably the biggest reason why you're not hearing much about it. And I don't really I didn't even. No about it is a Kevin someone is no longer at Texas AM. He's out in Arizona now. And it's just doesn't. It's a terrible story. I would agree, but it's not germane to Texas AM any longer or there's not as there's not much significance because he's already moved on. But I'm glad you pointed out us, and we'll all be digging through the file to to learn more about the. Frank is in Atlanta. You're on the air. Go ahead. Frank mischief. I'm bomb. Thanks for taking a call. Thank you the Alabama player that was carted off the field. Do you have injury update on what's his status? I really don't. But Franko check on that. How about that? Appreciate that. Okay. And I wanted to say rid of feel bad for the Bama seniors tough way for them the end their season and Damian Harris made a decision last year to come back for his senior season and one outstanding young man. Yeah. I would tell you. I I would you know, you always hate to play favorites. But in getting to know Alabama players or players from every school as we get to know here. I would write Damian Harris among the the classiest young man I've ever ever encountered. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. And do is up next. In florida. Hello, duke. Hey, how can you hear me? Yes. I can't. Thank you. Thank you for taking my call just want to give you a little rundown. I'm foam member of the Neil can't keep baseball organization. Really? And as far as I know auburn's I will full year baseball scholarship. Pretty amazing. What what I wanted to ask? You was winners. The committee the playoff committee gonna tell Notre Dame to get in a league and get in a championship game. Or don't come back. What's Notre game Duke being out there with all those presidents and commissioners? That's probably the one thing. I've heard more than anything especially from big ten people who who said, listen, we play nine conference games. We don't play, you know, sisters of the poor and as bad as Ohio State. Loss was to Purdue. They made they made it back up against Michigan. We we control a big chunk of the country and we missed that game. While Notre Dame back into it. I think it's a fair comment. I bought into Notre Dame. But, but in retrospect, I think Notre Dame will have a very difficult time backing into the playoff in the future. What are they going to do? I'll go play Lithuania. Yeah. I don't I don't think. That's they'll be. I mean, I think Notre Dame has had its big year. I agree with you one other thing, Jim is your athlete of the decade right century of the century. Okay. In prince cou I was offered. And I've I've never met another member my club. I was offered SEC scholarships and football basketball and baseball, that's hard. That puts me ahead of MO, and you can verify that with Jerry a gene Stalin's in that crew Duke when you when did you play what year Auber back in the sixties sixty four sixty five one my first professional game against Rollie fingers. And I'm on my way to Yankee Stadium through a thirteen strikeout. No hitter and forty five straight innings without giving up a run and then rotary cuff, sit in and said you through its it. That's too bad. You you on your way to quite a career and Steve Sloan and Steve Spurrier on my peers, I I know the year. Oh, good to talk to you up to meet you sometime. Thank you have a great show. And I enjoy talking to that. That's quite a story. I'm definitely going to do some research on your career. That's pretty amazing. Appreciate it very much. Mike Bianchi will join us a couple of minutes. He's got some strong comments about Florida's future. Lance. You might wanna listen up and your phone calls at eight five five to four to seven to eight five listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. We walked me back. Glad you're here on this Thursday afternoon. And we'll get back to the calls in a moment at eight five five four two seven two eight five, Tim Brando. Also, join us in the next hour, and we are certainly looking forward to that. Frank Martin as well coming off of some really big wins for the -versity of South Carolina, always greats catch up with Mike Bianchi here in the new year. He has a piece today in the Orlando Sentinel gator, Dan, sticks to plan on like if issues wavering willy willy taggered could not have had a worst first season. If you tried and then he ended up getting mired in lawsuits from his very brief time at the university of Oregon. Let's welcome in Mike Dianchi to the program. Mike, thanks for the call. Thanks for being here as always. Pleasure to be with the most second most in the south eastern corridor. You know, down your way about a week ago, but picked up the Orlando Sentinel that morning hoping I'd see you, and you were you were out in Arizona. They're gonna pull watching UCF lose LSU. All. For no reason because you if UCF finished unbeaten again would help lead the parade now. And is I left or Orlando that afternoon I was down there for the Citrus Bowl. I I was thinking you know, what I may be back here in a couple of days. Dallas went west instead of south east, but great to have you on and would like to talk to you a little bit about what you wrote in terms of the two programs that seemingly are going in different directions FSU has been so dominant for so long. But it doesn't seem like their future is very bright. What's the deal? One year into the things of Muslim tagger to obviously you can't make a snap judgment on one year. But if they were judge it right Now, Dan Mullen who suitable incredible beyond expectations. It's nervous. Everybody knows what he took over took over a mess from mcelwain. They were four and seven straight into this thing program was in shambles that disciplined or than samples and Mullen comes in and in one year leads in ten wins beats misstep of Michigan and the peach bowl, and the just the my phone was about how this guy came in. He added plan, and he stuck to his plan. A lot of gator things through the course of the year. Who said, hey, you know. Put Emily Jones, and you know, bent will pay for get Emory Johns. And they're get ready for next to and low. It was like pay fractious. The best guy got right now. And he gives us the best chance to stuck with him. And by the end of the season police pay Franks was they say was a great quarterback. But he was a quarterback in the SEC. And you juxtapose that with what Willie dagger did Nisus. He didn't exactly take over great situation that them both this your bail last. But I think most people agree that Willie took over the program that have a lot with town invalid plan playing in an easier conference. And they got worse this moments teamed up with better, Willie themed got progressively worse. They were the most penalized team in college football. They were slapping they made a bunch of mistakes and willy willy taggers didn't seem to have a plant. He failed on the. Playcalling midway through the season. And you know, he turns over the plight going bell offense coordinator and really was hired often simply because he was an offense of mine to go to the, you know, supposedly, great play caller in boom, he gives up playcalling halfway through the when the offense is going down the tubes. Let me let me get on FSU issue for just a second. Because it was a terrible year. We know that. But what what is the what's the patient's going to be like for him? And I'm only been in Florida couple of times lately, but the sample size. I got was very it's a very short leash from fans what's going to be like it ministry. Totally. Well, the guy who hired Willie Taggart stand Wilk on went shortly thereafter, take with the AA of the guy who hired him isn't there? Now the school resident is Bill there. But everybody knows that when you get a new e and that you know, they like to hire the guy not about saying Willie Oxy yet. But if he has another ear next year like he had this us, and they're you know, they don't look good on discipline. And the offense is ranked one hundred second in the country. If he has another year like that next year, the new AD surly take a look at is Willie Taggart the right guy to lead the program. Do you really need to evaluate that? Mike seems pretty obvious doesn't it? What Willie Taggart is not the right guy. Well, no, I'm I'm not really, you know, not ready to bail them Willie guys after I I don't think you wanna do that fun. Yeah. There's a lot of listenable tonight. Now now really calling court has always been easy. Keenly darn good recruiter is the routing class this year. Think it's in a couple of rankings. Some you know, let's see what happens. He didn't exactly take eighteen that was in great shape. Let's not let's not like JIMBO Fisher the great programs impo Fisher almost vegetables game last year. And if she's pretty. Last year. So I'm gonna give Willie Willie Taggart enough time to lease kit. You know, the right of Eric in there. He runs a different style. Offense and JIMBO Fisher grant Bishop close overlook. Overlook the you know, the no huddle fast, Rick. I don't think anybody's ready to say Willie Taggart's and not the right guy yet. Speaking JIMBO Fisher, how is his success and attention and notoriety playing in in in your state because of what you just got through saying he is culpable for some of the problems. Yes, he is. But come on JIMBO Fisher's off. You know, he's gone now, he's Texas A&_M. He's uprooting his pale up. Just like you did airport estate. He you know, he had a really season. I think it's next to saying them, I'm thinking, I don't think any Florida stay fan wanted, JIMBO. 'cause obviously they were mad and disappointed with the way he lift, and it's sort of like sort of looked like he was bailing on the Graham and a down point in the program, but didn't know Florida state fan. Thanks simple. Fisher was a bad coast. Everybody knows who was a great coat and Florida state fan any Florida state who thinks that Tim both Fisher isn't going to be a success at Texas. Am is deluding themselves JIMBO Fisher will be competing national championships of them soon. Enough. Is it your feeling the Dan Mullen will as well? Yeah. I think so I think so the one on them has always been even even when he was fifty coach under urban Meyer, Florida when he was the off into four knitted the knock on him was always he's not at good recruiter. He doesn't care enough about with. Well, guess what you look at his class right Now, Dan. Dan, if then can you know, obviously, he's going to have to recruit a levels like that savings like the Kirby smart, he has proven. He can do that yet. But he's having a hell of moving use your if Dan Mullen was crew he has the exit was accurate people national championships, he has the organizational, and obviously he has thirty basis around to do it. Yeah. They have more for national averages. Because it looks like he's better than it used to be before you go. I want to get a take away from where you are on what happened Monday night. And really what it means to the SEC and to college football. I'm man, obviously, obviously these two programs weren't as far as same people. And they were everybody knew these through most dominant, dynastic Graham, and it wasn't a changing of the garrote on Monday night. I felt like, but it's not like Nixon in Alabama is blowing anywhere. But I do think that I think was when he was forty nine years old with a lot of charisma and he's a player that when they want that game on Monday night. That's the type of guy you wanna play more or less our costs football player right now. And I realize next, but I think the reason that was burnt go to Alabama is because they know Nick saying is going to develop them and get them ready for the NFL. I think if you wanna have fun playing on also play dominant program, it's not like that was when he. Ability. If I'm a Costco ball player, I wanna play for data winning, and he's going to start getting the recruiting classes that saving get and I'm not so sure he's not going to be the most dynastic coach in college football moving good possibility might tank, you always good to have you on guys. Thanks, Mike, Bianchi. Always in a hurry to come on and bigger hurry to leave based on. We will take a break. More of your phone calls at eight five five two four to seven to eight five eager to talk to Tim Brando in the next hour. We'll get his take on what has been going on here. We are back with more. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Conversation. There would be young ki-. Let's get back to our calls at eight five five to four to seven to eight five and Frankie is in Texas. You're on the air. Hello, frankie. How's it going Paul very well? It'd be back after Texas obliterated a Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. I was able to get on. But this time Clinton did it the Bama wasn't able to get on. But that's okay. I mean, I didn't go buy a lottery ticket either. So. Let's let's talk about was talk about what happens in the college football playoff when you gets in there. So so Clemson play oh you in twenty fifteen veto you handily and lost championship game. Then Georgia Georgia got by overtime. Last year loses the national championship game. I see a trail. Bama didn't Alabama didn't didn't cover the spread. But you know, they played against that. Mickey Mouse defense this year and lost the national championship game. So here's what I have to say don't play you in a playoff you may win the game easily. But this think of the boomer Gunar stays with you long enough to that team to lose some in Frankie, the two things you don't wanna you. Don't wanna play. Oh, you nor do you want to be the number one seed which has lost every year every single year. Now that being said, you know, how about the top two teams getting dominated know. How's that teaching? Going now for all the fakes. Listen what's cut to the chase? The SEC postseason at the top was a disaster. I mean, I mean the last two images of the SEC Texas rolling and Clemson rolling now realize there was some success. Michigan getting taken out by Florida. But you had some really bad looks the end of that Missouri game, the South Carolina lost may have been as embarrassing as anything. I have seen in years. So fair point. I I don't I mean, the SEC's going to have to wait the basketball season to start crowing about something. Well, it's not all bad except for the teams. I get to face Alabama in twenty nineteen Nick Sabin is going to go away that no, you know, he he is definitely not going to go away. And you know, he's got the talent. He's got he's got everything right now but stable coaching staff, but that's that will be that task this week to figure out what to do there. Well, he's got a bad that team and coaching staff has a bad taste in their mouth. They they're going to take it on. They're going to take it out on that conference. So. Those who ever gets the play with against the saving coast new. Well, you know, Duke will be the first sacrificial lamb. Thanks for shit. I man, isn't it? Great afternoon. Paul. You know, found it real interesting yesterday with Mr Smith Meyer was on that Jim has actually taking that test. He just didn't know it, and he's probably failed miserably and. I'm like miss Smith. Mar. I mean, you can't ask Jim anything. You ask me a question based on twenty two years of listening to your program, and US my opinion. And I was giving you my opinion. But there we all know it's not worth what gyms is. But I think you great value to your program because there's no better liar on this program than Jim. And he does Trump he equals turn with all of his line and and used car and this I don't mean to say used car salesman. But Trump's really not much of a later this far as I can see and is the guy that has job in respect the position, but I have no respect for the man been watching him since middle eighties. He's the same piece crappy was then he's not going to change just like Mr Smith Marcet, it's all based on judgment. And some point you have to mature in your judgment and change your judgment thinking and just because you own a big business. Don't mean, your leader minute means your own business, and some of those people have to hire leaders. Because they are not the good leaders of men, but they're good leaders of owning a business Nepal about Jalen hurts now, he's he's he's already entered that little the way can transfer season the island hurts is he going to be remembered as a great guy with character. And all those kind of things based on what team he goes to. Well, as now he will be depends on where he goes. So he was to go to Auburn or Tennessee, Oklahoma someplace like that he could instantly instantly become trader and and down to nothing. I mean, hold the thought a second year year compatriot would like to talk to you. Imagine that he has nothing to say for months and months and months now was to come on. And be heard. I mean, what are you gonna show up and let me talk. You're gonna hard way. The I man I'm I'm in. I'm an at least give Jim and opening statement. Okay. Absolutely. Okay. You idiot. You creep. Tell me anyway, you can prove where I've lied tell me that. Whether's abs-. Absolutely, no evidence of anything, sportswise you've done. Or? A liar. You you'd be costly attacking me sits out of. Out of new show. Let me finish cannot. Faucet attacking me. Since a birthday. I got on this show. You've lied about me. Why can you guys? Now, I want you to tell you about I've live. I have never lied about anything on his show regarding sports. Never certainly never brought in. You might get you to down. Maybe we've been here some ten, and you know, what you keep making this comment. Jim that our Jeep it was Phyllis from Moga that brought me to this program had. No, you right. No. Here's my point four barrel. First day, I called they'll come in your pal. We're not buddies. Will you we verified this? All okay. Live bus day. I call you. You are normally congratulate what do you call it? Complementaries trying to know you would call in. I think you were I think what are we talking about? Mike Dubose and went to football and football, right? Call white behind me and started trashing me the very first day. I believe that believe you. First off. I think we're talking about two thousand I. Somewhere in. For me. It was twenty. Okay. Twenty well and for minute because there's there's things have to be squared up here because you're not see they're getting you're not telling the truth. I sat back for two days before this on this program in Montgomery forever called. And if I was complimentary is because of all of the way, we went on government thousand and one. But then that's when I called I you were here two days before actually the third day before I made a phone call, and it was Phyllis from Moga that brought me to this broken. Let's not GE one of you is wrong. Stabby eupol. You can you can you gotta break the tape. You by the way, Jim I think you proceeded I man to this show that I was I did all I did. I remember that. So my point is and he was right behind me at first day at you complimented me normally that I day you remember that? I'm sure many times what you did that you even wrote me I'm not lying about that. No, jim. Off. I have materialised. Fram. I'll find you. This one. I man would you just allow Jim to finish this? Finish nothing. He called behind the fashion. The 'cause he was so jealous of what you'd said about me. Right. What a load of bullshit. I mean, you, you know. Good. That's. Why he's sick spiritually able man. That's all I got to say about it. Yeah. Jill let me explain. I did not I didn't do anything. But other. I'm in committed a cardinal sin by cursing to Jim. So we had to disengage from both calls because of that. That is not permissible on the show. I thought we were having. I mean, I know some of you think that's crazy. But for a gym I'm in conversation that was pretty sane. Didn't you think I'm sorry that I'm an had to go across the line and curse. And we had to end it. But we will try to finish it some other time. Although I'm certainly been put on probation for that transgression. We are up against the break. Much more to come to listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. Glad you're here. Check chicken next with Allison in South Carolina. Hello, alison. Good afternoon. Call. Hey, they're good afternoon. I just wanna say, you are awesome. I love your shows. And it's been seller. Tainting today with all the different crazy rednecks that are called in. Thank you. Thank you very much. Love the way you handle yourself. I wish I had more poise. Like, you do your often. I saw gonna say for a nice of you really really do. Appreciate that. Who let's take talk to Ron in Louisville. Ron good afternoon. Well, good afternoon, Paul. This is radio. Ron, oh, my goodness would've voice. And remember talking to you in the past you, you are quite a legend in the in the Commonwealth. There you go. I appreciate that, sir. It's been two years since I've talked to you. But not because I haven't tried. But because you are so popular and so difficult to get through. Well, thank on the air. But I watch you MO. Most every afternoon that I possibly can. And as you must know I simply on cloud nine after that wonderful year that you football head. I mean, I look back now and think of the losing streak that we bro going to Florida the exciting win against Missouri overtime against am. And then to end up the way they did in the Citrus Bowl telling you for no, man. I thought my heart was going to stop several times. But I'll tell you Paul. It's I have celebrated to birthdays since I talked to you last. And I am now eighty three eighty three eighty three and you know, how I celebrated and my eighty third birthday. Can you tell us? Yes. I entered the Kentucky senior Olympic Games. I call it the radio Ron decathlon I entered the fifty. One hundred two hundred four hundred sprints shotput discus hammer throw long triple jump and fifteen hundred meter race walk and fortunately, I came away with ten gold medals. Oh my goodness. Making Michael Phelps look like a like a pedestrian. No, your friend and mine mad Jones say will you don't have any any competition. Well, I do have a few old reprobates who are still competing against me. And I always look forward to that. As what is your? So you said fifty and one hundred is that correct? Yes. If one hundred what is your what is your fifty one hundred time my fifty times challenging your. Yeah. You know, I was get amazing. You said that I was going to challenge you to on meter day coming about twenty years, I think I could at least compete with you 'cause I did a little research. And I know you're sixty four years old, not no, I'm not that. I'm not that all bit. But I'll I'll take the take. I'll take you on anyway. Well, you're about twenty years. My g I I'm I'm in that range, but do I have shot at you? Well, not fast sturdy might my time in the fifty poll is eight point five and my time in the one hundred is seventeen flat. I'm an I got a shot. Okay. Close. Well. Yeah. I mean, you might Grammy on the fifty. I'm little more flow out of the gates. But man, do I get close to the finish line. Do I start huffing? Understood. I understand. Well, maybe we'll make it happen. Some way. I don't know. But I was gonna talk to you. If I lost to you though. What's that? Oh, well, I'm I'm telling like twenty years junior. You say you're not quite sixty four yet. But you're somewhere you'd said when I'm saying before. What? People get Nick Sabin in this as well. He's sixty it'd be sixty eight. And there you go and see he would be in the sixty six to seventy eight. Yeah. And and so may what about what about what about your? What's the longest you run? I do ten ks. I inner several ten ks. And by the way, I'm pretty I'm a pretty good distance runner. I'm thinking about what I have to think smoke you in the short stuff. On my bucket list ball. So I'm thinking about running a marathon. And I really am serious about this. I think I could run a marathon running the fastest marathon in history. If Jim and I'm an were chasing me. Just very the. I'm man they really got into didn't. They one thing about this ten win season. All the Kentucky long-suffering Kentucky fans were saying. Well, I remember the seventy seven season when we won ten under Frank earthy. But then I countered that Paul by saying I remember that ten win season in nineteen fifty Paul bear. Bryant was coaching Kentucky by father took me to a game Paul in night on November eighteenth nineteen fifty and it wasn't even stall field. It was McLane stadium. And they wondered Tampa game on that date in nineteen fifty November the eighteenth. They played North Dakota. And they approve early was quarterback on my goodness. And guess what the score the final score was. I'll never forget. It wasn't very high score eighty three to nothing the cats. I knew somebody didn't score a lot. But you know to think that Kentucky won ten games this season and kept it off with that. Citrus Bowl victory. Just made me so happy. And of course, so many other thousands and thousands of you say this radio, Ron I whether I could or could not beat you in a race. I will never top you in terms of your voice, you have one of the great voices. Thank you, Paul. You've been so K just one quick thing before I go in the in the draft after the nineteen fifty season Kentucky put nine players in the draft. Oh, bob. Jane, they have really well. We're our ski Bill less VAR, and they had one name that I didn't even realize, but it turned out to be the same name as a very famous comedian whose have hope. Never knew that head run. Thank you so much Ron, Bob. Hope did he say the comedian?

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Local Hour: Let's Play Tag

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

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Local Hour: Let's Play Tag

"I'm loud and bold radio announcer. Who was hired to tell you about the loud and bold flavors and Tyson anytime there's chicken snacks there boldly says it full of flavor? Thanks for listening but NATO's chicken bold flavorful chicken's necks. It's the shipping container talking to you on a Thursday Hashtag. Let's play tag boys. That's right a new era at FAU. Hashtag let's play Tag Willie Taggart. Yes man off the ground I like that. Yeah let's play tag. You guys is are making moves man dude. It would have been very easy to just get an whatever coach after this all. I want them to do. I said it a couple of days ago give me someone I've heard heard of. I've heard of Willie Taggart. Let's do this is Willie. Taggart career is unbelievable. Play by him lane. Just did you go to this conference that that. Fau has been well doing well at you. You have few good years. There can use it as a springboard into new job right back into his agent. Whose agent Jimmy Sexton? Oh my God I you know what you're saying. That taggart's shouldn't even deserve this job. What does Taggart ever done though? I mean he was at Oregon Right. No No. Don't tell me where Dan. Dan Tell me what he's accomplished. Where wasn't where I have? No clue where he was before Oregon. I know FSU from Oregon. That's all I know. Well where was he before if this happened if this happened in two thousand and six and Dan Lebatardshow was weighing in on it and this worldwide coach. We'd spend two months on it uh-huh recycled well. It's always really tackle getting all these jobs at feel like just a job for you. It's not like it's prominent right. I mean this message each album way back in the conference us. I'm glad that a black coach you'll he was at. USF white coaches usually usually get recycled. Now black coaches how about real progress. USF What did he do there. What did he do at USA? I have no. I didn't know he was there. So I guess got enough good recruits to get to Oregon. What did he do their one year? Disappointing not as good as cristobal. One year goes FSU. We know what he did their whole bunch of nothing gets FAA you. I'm sure he's going to be. This is actually. This is actually a tough blow for F I F I you because there are often competing for the three stars. I don't know what that's why this is a good higher. This is a good higher for Fau because a name with recognition. That's going to a school school and a smaller conference and he's going to give her cruising a walk in and it had not the ACC. It's not the same competition. I think that walking into these living rooms and being able to be like yeah. I was the coach that with the kid. That's not being recruited by any of those schools that you know that he'd be like oh I'm GonNa go with this guy that used to coach Fsu. I mean Okay Walk Ed. Fau Very likely. You're going to be recruiting kids. That are going to be there for four years. And he hasn't seen an entire recruiting class out in his right higher. fricken career right. So okay cool. I thought I'm not. Who would you like to hire you but I think they needed to do something? Something along these lines is just like. There's nobody more deserving than Willie Taggart I just don't I just don't know what he's done. Yeah to be head coach. I know you're saying it's FAU but lane. KIFFIN had a lot more buzz around him than Willie taggart before link Kiffin. It's not like this is a job that always has has big names like length given was like the first one. It had schnellenberger dupe startup. I think we have won. Some stupid for wasn't exactly housing sought after at the time or he wouldn't have landed it at. Fau like lane was kind of had a falling out at Alabama was a low is a low point for the low point of lane or he would have gotten a bigger job. I don't think lane picked. Fau over a more prominent job at the time but exactly so. It's the same thing with Willie right now. Everyone was surprised that lane took that job. Because everyone's just assume lane was GONNA get bigger job and remember. There was all sorts of buzz. That lane was going to leave. Fau was certainly in the mix to leave and he would have if he got the offer after that first year. It's a curious curious higher. I maybe I'm being too hard on it. Just looking at Willie taggart record is just like I'm more astonished that this dude keeps getting head. Coaching jobs have any success to attach hold on a second by those standards. Manny Diaz should have been fired and he shouldn't get a coaching job either because of that first season like he's only had one year at the damn right had one year at Florida state. What she's supposed to do a year and a half to build programs? Okay I I love when. FSU FANS ends. Do this. Because when I when I hear the broadcast for whatever reason they think Jimbo Fisher couldn't recruit. It's like the most amazing thing to me as if a couple years is removed from a national championship. The cupboard was bear who could follow Jimbo Fisher and he wasn't good at his job he left. FSU Wasn't fired because because of performance they were performing white. Well Yeah it was a dip post Jameis Winston right but Jimbo Fisher was doing fine over there. It's not like a situation where he's like man. This head coach before was a disaster. This was an AL golden. Yeah or there. He walked into a program with championship. Pedigree that they're expected to compete with the likes of clemson Jason every year within the conference. He got good recruiting classes because that's his Mo and he did Diddley Shit with it. Yeah so I'm just trying to look at where the success is for Willie Willie Taggart like and you know if he actually does have good success. And this is the deal that you signs up for is like we'll be that launch pad job and. Yeah get us to win the conference every year. Get us to the Boca Bowl. Every year be here for three years. Induces you're off to a big program again right. I mean everything you just said could be true. He could be terrible at all. You know he could not that good of a coach but all I know is that when I saw. That's who they hired. I was like all right good. I have no idea what I'm doing there but I feel like you know now. I'm a good barometer like like kids. These days could be doing that. Like Oh Willie Taggart. I have no idea like if he's actually a good coach. But it's a name so we went to you went. It's a Western Kentucky and this is probably where you had the most success where he began his head. Coaching career. Seven five got them bowl eligible then he took over south Florida Boorda and he led them to a two and ten season and He got them bowl eligible in In three years time in two thousand and sixteen he did well. Okay so credit to him I was. I thought he'd left before South Florida one ten and two. I thought that was Charlie strong who came in afterwards. But know that my timelines is all screwed up ten into. That's a pretty good year with south Florida. So if you give them an entire recruiting cycle that's four years. He took a first season team to two and ten to tended to totally flip in their record and then he starts getting expectations and big programs and then all he does is disappoint seven five overall with an organ team that was expected and win the PAC twelve. He's back to a small. He didn't get his recruiting Hashtag one year there and he got a year and a half at Fsu you just said if he gets a recruiting cycle. He could turn a team around. If you it. Just stop right. But it's not like Oregon and Florida state don't have good recruits already. I WANNA say my Hashtag Hashtag. Let's play tag. Billy really work. I thought you said it at the top and it did I like is. Let's play tag. Let's play Tag Hashtag. Let's play that I can get to into this though because I'm a rival but I'm happy for you can you this is good for the rivalries. It I I prefer. They had a bad coach. Could get anyone to honest with you right. I don't know I'm so heated. I just generally like new. Blood head coaches getting recycled just always bothers me right. We can't do better at but they are trying trying to get you know you are trying to walk into these living rooms with a name. People have heard of like I'm more likely to go play for a guy that allow this organ all right as opposed to some offense offensive coordinator genius that I've never heard I will say though as University of Miami Fan is billy can probably speak to as an NFL fan. Because they're probably more direct competitions outside a being being power five conferences. It's This is not great for recruiting for any of the schools there because Willie Taggart is a very good recruiter right. That's that's what he brings boom. Yeah so now Manny Diaz has and which Davis and all the Florida schools half to compete with Willie taggart still in state. So we'll see what happens happens there. Hopefully he gets an entire recruiting cycle although if he ever gets traction they're probably dip in two years. Because that's what Willie Taggart Geez why let's turn G. excited and let's play tag. Let's play bag man Hashtag. Let's play tag and tag is it. There's a lot going on here. I just I hate it when coaches leave program. FSU Like he's NFS inspired. You didn't leave willingly I love I love FSU. I wish you would've. They're tired time. That's totally cool. But I just I don't know if he would have gotten a full cycle. Who knows what he would have done? I just hate job jumpers and own like. Who are you mad at here? I affiliate unemployed. I know we stand with. ARGUMENT IS A. I'm sorry Willie. TAGGART unemployed for twenty five million dollars. I'm sorry what a suffering. Yeah actually now that you think about it. He's really rich. He just made a lot of money he should do something. Let's let's let's I know lane just and people were tweeting me because the people who last week I was like little critical of lane. I'm like he did a lot for himself but he didn't do much Rafi you when really he did improve their He got a lot of donors and their their there Facility is a lot better than it was pre lane. The Lane do that so I I wasn't giving him that credits while Blah. But I want to see Willy. Let's see some of that money like what are you doing. Well something help. Fau Out if you really care about us take some take some of that money into the program the way Mark Richt Mark Rick Classier Gentlemen. You guys really love Mark Richt. You're constantly showing respect. You'd want him out. You wanted him fire. I want it no I wanted John Rick fired. I wanted more quick to fire John. Rick Eight citizen and Mark Richt wouldn't fire John. Rick I actually had nothing but good things to say about Mark Rick since he decided had to leave because look we just got mark the little too late in the experience. Mark Rick what you said about lane. He made those facilities big time facilities. He's in his first day. Add that stadium before lane was eighty facilities a lot better. It wasn't money he put in. It was like he got a bunch of donor. Mark did his first day as you head coach he went to a I forget player. It wasn't Demarcus van Dyke but it was a corner that was Might have been Jenkins Who was doing his pro day at the University of Miami? It was raining all day and the fields were in horrific shape and this dude who had given his entire college career to the University of Miami is out here practicing showing off her scouts on a field. That is money and an embarrassment. When you compare it to some of the the programs out there and immediately Margaret said we have to fix this yeah any pumped his own money into this facility gathered? The donors got got them exciting Got Them excited. And now you have a beautiful facility there and a program that you would think was poised for an ACC championship run and it. It would obviously turned out differently in very disappointing season for the University of Miami. But I have nothing to say about what Mark Richt did for this program. I wish we had him a lot sooner. Yeah yeah this is. Why do I have so much passion? This is why people hate me. I I think the strong dislike is like our show. You don't really go to it for the passions for socks. So I think I'm a bit of an outlier because I'm clearly the most passionate sports fan here bright and then makes me hello annoying if you're not like if we're not ideologically aligned. Mind right if you're not also Akaki heat fan and we're also not a cocky hurricanes fan. I come across like super brave and I get it every every show. Oh needs a character like that man. You know you're the balance. Yeah ballot can be do. I need to apologize. Willie Taggart yes. Not I was GonNa say yes to whoever. I'm sorry Willie Taggart. I'm just just I don't like job. Jumpers right just like stick it out for the kids jumpers all right and here. Here's what I'll say it was fired. He can't stick it out of place where he was fired. He was fired. You should be mad at lane for jumping from. Fa you to go to old miss. If you don't like John Billy's most people fire elite. People leave he was fired from. FSU Yes so. How's he going to stick? You left Oregon after one year. Just left USF. You can't dismiss the notion that he's it's a job jumper when he left a power. Five conference with the backing of film might after one year. I mean if it's a better opportunity I mean I don't know Oregon FSU Hewitt's debatable. Because you know people have to do. What's right for their careers? And Look I just. I just don't like job jumpers when it comes to kids and the injustice of them those kids signing up and then being stuck in you can just leave with no penalties. He's got a bunch of like a recruits to agree to go to Oregon. And then he's like out of here. I get that mad at the system. Just Move Yvonne. Just talking in circles of this. The system added job jumpers or matter being added. Coaching Jumpers mad at everything at the system disappointed said about the kids. Not Madam Adam disappointed. You want him to spend his own money on stuff. I gotta say it right now for computer broke here. I would never buy a new computer for the studio. I say right now my job I'm gonNA say right now. Plenty of things have broken. I've spent my own money on. What have you bought? It's broken. 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Personal with David Samson nothing to do with baseball all for an offices in the past none of that host of nothing personal with David Sampson. We have them on weekly to talk about movies but David. It is the winter meetings which I'd imagine at one time in your life. What did you think it was fun or stressful? I always enjoyed it because it was always an opportunity to try to see if we could make moves that no one would expect expect or get players to come to us. We could see which players could overpay for and try to win the off season. Then in a vain attempt that would ultimately ultimately proved unsuccessful. And having a good season how does that work when the when the winter meetings are going on. Because I'd imagine that most teams you know that are going out there trying to acquire a big name. Same don't really want to waste their time with you. Trying to make smaller deals for like ancillary players when they're trying to land an anthony run down now actually the teams there's so many representatives for each team that you're working on so many things at once and we always tried to be and I'm big names like this year. We wouldn't have been in on Colour Strasbourg because we would never have been able to go past five years. Because I wouldn't think five years would be the limit and even that we shouldn't do you know we did that once and got totally burned with Chen but from a position player standpoint so we may have had conversations you know with Boris about random but we're also agents are working on lesser players. Just as well we're going to get smaller deals for years so there's enough time in the day to cover him but in terms of trade do you have your. You're not going to make a trade for a larger. Get your prospect while the teams trying to add a large prospect. You're not going to be trading for you. Know like a big name guy it's like do you have like a chain of command. Let's say in each team where I'm not talking to the GM. I'm talking to the assistant to make a deal for you. Know like a backup shortstop or whatever that's actually exactly how it goes you have different people at different levels having different different types of conversations. So we'll send scouts out To speak scouts other teams to see if those teams in those rooms are willing to trade. Let's say if we you want to get up in May from the dodgers we wouldn't call Andrew Friedman and talk about. Dust may have Mike Hill called. Let's say Andrew Freeman instead we'd have and maybe an assistant. GM speak to their assistance to say. Hey are you willing to talk about may in a smaller deal or maybe it's part of a larger deal. What are you looking for are you are you looking for a position players in return you want establish bullpen arms? You want starting pitching that's arbitration eligible. So we categorize every player there and then you basically play match game trying to save what you have is what they want. Sparky how Scott Boras always so able to find a mystery team. Ah He's not. There are no mystery teams. He makes that up. He just says there's mystery team this year who the twist David of to mystery teams for coal yet there. We're no mystery teams at all when you gotTa have you. Have you ever been a mystery team. No not only no 'cause you're always leaking the fact. If we were interested in the player we wanted to leak the fact that we were interested in a player just so we could have our name out there keep. Our fans interested tried. Try to do try to sell some tickets with the hope of the possibility of assigning even if we thought there was no chance We would try to get involved just to sort of be relevant. Wow how honest view. They would just sort of US media delight of your fans to drug ticket prices in the hopes that they would see a player that you never really had any intention of signing. Yeah that called it Tuesday and Major League Baseball I do want to ask you about Garrett Cole deal and I don't know why people were surprised that it's the Yankees. Thank YOU MS. But he ends up going to the New York Yankees already cut his hair. He's already shaved Was it your expectation that that's where he'd end up is I know he's twenty nine. There's always going to be thirty in September the Yankees sign this contract without really having the intention of actually playing through it effectively do they. But when you sign a guy for that long I'll give you the example and we were trying to get pool halls for real and we thought we had him back in twelve. We offer ten years two hundred and one million dollars dollars and the thought was we went to bed that night thinking he was ours and woke up and he was an angel for two forty over ten. I guess because the school system in La is better but our our view was that we would get him for five of the ten years and so we thought that we'd be paying him two hundred million over five so basically it's forty million dollar player for five good years and then you right off the last five in your opinion which because you see the angel signed Rondeau now they have a lot of money. He locked up in trout. And Rendong in your opinion. Do you think it would be harder because you ran. Obviously a team with a high payroll for you know like a year or two. And then you had the low payroll Geraldin. which do you think is harder to run high payroll team Rollo Payroll team because if you get into high payroll like you have the Yankees that signed people to these deals? This cold deal while it could be good for for a couple years. Nine years is a really long time for coal. So you have a lot of dead money in the Yankees have done that over and over again. So I don't know and I'm asking European as someone who's done on this if having a lot of money really helps you that much. If you're making the wrong moves you know it's a great no one's ever asked you that and that is probably the best question I've ever gotten. And and the answer is it's a lot easier to look smart when you're forced to be smart and you're forced to be smart when you have a low payroll and you have no choice choice but to move players along before they get expensive or stay away from the huge long-term signings when you have all the money in the world to spend or you have a lot of flexibility Alexa ability and you feel like you have to spend money burning a hole in your pocket. You can to not worry if the patient says just give me one more year. Just give me two extra million dollars per year. As as part of the average annual value see become a little less disciplined. What's interesting is Andrew Friedman when he was on Pampa running Tampa APPA? GM was one of the smartest in the game extremely disciplined. He took that discipline with them to the Los Angeles dodgers that has led him to be a huge winner in Los Angeles but hasn't gotten the big one because he's been afraid to pull the trigger on something that just goes against everything. He knows every smart fiber fiber his body but he's missed out on players that way and it's cost marine. The Red Sox are trying to copy really what the dodgers did by taking Cayenne in bloom from Tampa and put him into Boston hoping that he can bring some sort of fiscal sanity to Boston while being competitive so i. I always thought that those guys were very smart. But they're smarter because of the way they're forced to be. The marlins were never considered big spenders. Not really movers. And Shakers occurs at the winter meetings and then going into two thousand and twelve things changed you Make a promise to the fans here that you've got to start spending because you're getting the stadium and there's all this excitement. How did you process that one winter meeting where you guys were essentially the stars it it it felt it was like a drug August and The problem with drugs is eventually you come down and then there's no more drugs and then your bond miserable looking for Rehab and that's really what happened. It felt so good not just to be leaking that we were a part of something but then we actually were going to sign players and we knew going in that we were going to go overboard in an attempt to jump start the market jump. Start the new stadium and so it you feel relevant you feel important and you have this. It's amazing feeling when you're doing a press conference that you are making a difference in that you're going to try to get our second ring after we had one. I you know nine years earlier and it just disappears appear so quickly. It's like that quick. You know high which is just gone and then you have to try to get it again so but we couldn't because we couldn't afford to buy eighty more players and so we had a trail mall and you just feel sick for the next three years so it's kind of like and I don't WanNA misrepresent it. It's kind of like the lottery winner. That wins the lotto then goes crazy spending the money and then realizes I don't have any more money I shouldn't have bought for. RV's well it turns out if you can buy four. Our visa keep their value and that you end up driving around the country and making great memories then some would say it was worth it to have that run of lottery winnings and then you go back to live any ordinary life. You Pat the problem. Is We bought the RV's and they broke down on the side of the road literally a mile away from the lot and we couldn't return them. So what was the use of that. I do want to ask you one. Last question here The New England patriots. I'm sure familiar. With their most recent taping spy gate scandal where a video crew under the umbrella of craft productions was reportedly filming directly onto the sideline a hand signals from the coaches players. As we're getting subbed on in subbed off obviously this is a serial offenders when it comes to cheating I guess if you WanNa put it politely trying to seek an additional edge How would you handle this if you're the NFL obviously they're already investigating and they had their hands on the tape but specifically when it's a team like the Patriots who are serial offenders? How do you go about this? So here's the thing I talked about this on nothing personal it. They just have no credibility when bill ballot check stands up and says I have no. I had no idea that this was happening. No one had any idea this was happening and it's just not true. The way it works is in order to get cameraman up into a press box with the ability to film. They have to get credentials and to be credentialed. You have to alert the Cleveland browns. And that's the stadium where they were in order to get those credentials and you can't apply for credentials unless the PR department knows about it and the PR department is not going to do anything with a camera crew unless the team GM and the team presidents are aware of this and there's no question that the team president is not going to say. Let's do this without speaking to the longtime hall of Fame Forever Controlling Coach Bill Ballot. Check so it just it. It just doesn't make sense that they're claiming it was part of a quote. Do Your job series where they were seen what an advanced scout does give me a break. Why would you choose the game against against the team that you're playing the following week or the week after you could have chosen any other team any other stadium if you were doing just a show for your fans to show them? The inside way in organization is run so from the NFL standpoint. They're investigating looking for the smoking gun looking for the emails of permission looking for the emails emails where they talked about the show and what the show is for. And it's it's a problem because if it turns out that the Patriots were doing this purposely with the the cover up was only to make it a show a content social media show. I think they're going to get hammered again. Worse than ballot check with spy gate was fined five hundred and the Patriots were fine. Two hundred and fifty grand. I think you're gonna see those numbers double. They didn't even have the presence of mind to come up with new excuses. It was the same exact explanations for for this sort of situation that they gave four years ago craft production serving sweaters inside out. Say that you were doing something for an upcoming preview show and not anything related to the team. So it'd be interesting to see if they get hammered. What movie are you reviewing this week? For a stated I watched the movie that was just nominated for our best foreign language film in for the Golden Globes. It's called the farewell and it stars Aquafina. Who who is in crazy rich Asians and she plays a a Chinese woman who moved to New York when she was young and then goes back to China to Sensibly say goodbye to her grandmother. Who is dying of cancer and it's mostly Mandarin with subtitles? There is some English but there's something about the movie that is so stunning and her performance. You know intrigued intrigues the rich agents. She's this comedian. This sort of funny wacky girl. She's nominated because for performances so cerebral and and and In intellectual intellectual and emotional and it it gives her a huge range from an acting standpoint. I thought it was perfectly done. I I didn't mind you know a a good movie foreign language film. Is You forget. You're reading the subtitles. You're just so drawn in by the culture in China and part of it is because what's going on with China and versus the United States and how different it is and at the end of the day family family and when someone in your family is designed the way you rally around that person. It doesn't doesn't matter if they're in a communist country or in the middle of the three or five you know there's still that feeling of loss and feeling family and and and the movie captures. Is it perfectly. It's called the farewell against our better judgment. I suppose you're making another appearance at Moss Miami. The last one made news. Please tell me you're not going to tell the audience absolutely buffets time. Well first of all. I'm more than happy to not do it. I just have to decide what Jack and I'm GonNa wear and then I decided what what's going going to happen. You know if again there's these crazy boos from people after they wanNA picture and an autograph and then they boo. Like what would my reaction be. I I think that it won't happen this year because I think they're much more focused on nothing personal and on the appearances on the local hour and the other stuff that goes on. I think I'm like you said I'm no longer the president or the recent president of the Marlins now they've got other people to do with the Marlins Who I think everyone realizes that well? Maybe it's not as easy as they thought. It was to run the team so I would expect that I will take a boat from the boat parade in Fort Lauderdale all the way down to win would it and I will arrive like Gilligan and have a great time with you guys. Dan Tried to put you in a dunk tank. He did he did and I told him that unless he brings waterwings. I'm unavailable thank you so much for taking the time out to join us again this week again check out his podcast. Nothing personal with David Sampson into doing very well. He's good at this media thing. Thank you David thank you. Hey I'm andy if you don't know me it's probably because I'm not famous but I it did start a men's grooming company called Harry's the idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience. I had buying razor blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed and out of touch. At Harry's our approach is simple. Here's our secret. We make sharp durable blades and sell them at honest prices for as low as two dollars. Each we care about quality so much that we do some crazy things like by a world class German blade factory obsessing over every detail means. We're confident an offering one hundred percent quality guarantee. 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And I feel is going to speak on some authority on this matter because I was brutus Buckeye. I'd like so what the mascot you were the Mascot Brutus Pa Buckeye at one point in time. Oh my God what was that like Oh Man I got to do the the cool stuff you could. You could ever imagine doing places I had no business being. What do you mean what places Brutus Buckeye? Okay not supposed to be in. Well I got to go on a private jet to go down to a retirement party for an afternoon so that was something I certainly did not expect when I signed up for the GIG. You need to tell us about this situation so like Some big time boosters WanNa Buddhist Buckeye at his party and would do anything so private flu you in the really nice story behind. It was actually two very good friends. executives a big company in Atlanta. Best friends one one Michigan Grad One Ohio State Grad. The Ohio State Grad was retiring and the Michigan Grad. One of the surprise them with Brutus his retirement party so they contacted US picked us up on in their company. Jet Picked me up around noon. Let me down to the party. And I was back staple in Columbus at night that seems like a gross. Misuse of company. Resources is like using a Kylie friends retirement party. You ever have that one creepy donor. That had you come over and like dance on poll. I I didn't do any pole dancing but there were definitely You know people who try to push the limits especially on game days after they've had a few barley pops if you will does it bother you like it bothers me that if you were simply just a an Ohio state football player this would be regarded as an NC double A.. Infraction discuss discuss this openly. No To actually take the flight. Oh yeah no it's ridiculous yeah. ESPN's not out to get you. I I understand look man. You guys have this complex because the Tattoo Gate and when you see what's happened since and the fact that once again friendly reminder Baylor has not served any NC double A.'s sanctions yet has not been actually formerly sanctioned in any capacity when you think about the tattoos thing it's all a little absurd and when you re back at the Shapiro things like what are we doing for meal at Samarai. Come on the Tattoo things ridiculous but people also do have complex and it's a little frustrating to me because the biggest show. ESPN has probably full. Stop Stop College. Game Day the face of that show. It's not legal. or so is Kirk herbstreit. Who is allowed him Buckeye? Although people seem to think that he hates them because he does not pick them at every single game he can't make picks what do people not understand. Curb treats calling the games he came in he can pick all the games. He's calling and he he he. He very rarely picks against the buckeyes guys. By the way you just said he fixed every fan base has some sort of complex though. Everybody thinks that their team is hated. Yeah and here's what I'll say anytime. Buckeye fans wanted doubt. Kirk herbstreet bloodline and his commitment. To the program. There is a photo from the Fiesta Bowl. Visa bill that curbs recovered with Kirk. Herbstreit jumping jumping in the air in joy as Ohio state. Defeated the Miami hurricanes as you should by the way is proud of Buckeye. But I'm just saying the photo exists. He's not the only one desmond and our. Oh is picking Michigan. Ain't always pick Miami because of the Miami guy that's right. There was a cool moment was curb street moments. After the Buckeyes won over or in a few years ago we were running around the bowels of the stadium or about the concourse and he was getting ready to go on back on the set of game. Day My buddy ran by him. Screamed Screamed Olajuwon. Sitting right there seconds away from going on Herbie gave him an I l.. So the guy's not afraid to show his true colors people get out of shape when he doesn't pick them every single time. What is is a reaction from Buckeye nation that curb streets kids decided to play for Clemson instead of Ohio? Say I honestly don't blame them for not keeping them around. People were brought. It was getting ridiculous around here. The the type of stuff people would say to them so I mean it's a little tough to have them go to Clemson but good for them. It's a great program what goes into to try out to be a mascot. Well you have to The biggest thing is come up with some sort of skit which which highlights what Buddhist does and some of the more standard booze and actions that he has but it's also supposed to show a fair amount of personality alley all right and then we will also give people sort of random scenarios that we just tell them in the moment and they have two reactor about thirty thirty seconds. And you WANNA see number one. How creative they are number two? How good they look doing it? And number three If they're able to remain appropriate for thirty seconds which is a challenge for you say we are you like involved in picking war. Bruce's moving forward. I am no one knows. Quite what we're expecting like the alumni so former brew tie or involved in much role hold on a second so brutus is picked by former. That is correct. Wow and and they do it. Obviously I'm assuming in the costume because you wouldn't know how they'd move in the costume if you're not wearing the costume that is also correct although we do have a full regular business interview you sort of a panel of four or five of US interviewing each of the federal candidates suit and tie regular attire. How do you feel about? Fau Hiring Willie Tiger. Hey good for them. I'd love for at the. I've got family on a cell phone of old school. 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Nobody has to and that's really good news to start your free online visit. You need to go to this exclusive address for him dot com slash. ESPN again five. That's forums dot com slash. ESPN five for your free online. Visit F. O.. R. H. I. M. S. dot com slash. ESPN five back. Here on the local hour. Roy Chris Billy. I'm sure you've seen this. Come across your twitter timelines lines. There is a college basketball analyst on. Let's be honest. Not the highest profile games. That is apparently a fan of the show and works in all the show saying sometimes making absolutely no sense contractually like sometimes if you're watching the game you wondering what the Hell is going on with this guy but he is a super fan of the show. Michael Donald is his name and he forces show references in it was broadcast. Yeah they're fantastic. I've seen them multiple times. Sometimes we need to do our part to get him onto bigger games so we can really get this movement going well. This is US doing our part because joining us. Now Mike Mike O'Donnell super fans of the show that no the twitter community probably have seen some of these videos not the highest quality. We still haven't played any of this audio here on the local hour or the national show. So this is for many introduction to Michael Donald. Thank you for joining us. Great to be here I just got dumped. You come up brains out and excitement so really excited man thanks. I'm sure you're sarcastic. I mean when when you do wagner versus Lee high you already know the heights of entertainment so this is probably nothing to you. Lee Highs backwards insane man. I don't know what you're talking about. Maybe thirty in the country. So that's a good game. So have you gotten any feedback from your bosses. Because has you mention our show and it's and you do show references a lot on the broadcast but these aren't exactly you know I mean let's say what it is it's often espn three ESPN plus exclusives. So have you gotten any feedback about this. No I've never gotten feedback on anything which is partly in fact why I just started doing it. I think the best I think last game when I said as a player made a really great great Dr Got Salad. He was really was playing Just lights out. And I'd said you know the guys got the goods dude which is like one of the all time. Great Mike Ryan UH references. The best part about that. And it's just. This is why I almost had to remove my headset is that the guy was doing play by play with Bernie. Gunther looked at me. She was was shaking his head. Like yeah I agree absolutely. That's a great thing to say totally oblivious and I'm like I I'm happier about that than anything L.. That could possibly happen because if we made it really feel like Oh yeah Mike I totally agrees definitely got the good you know it was just. It was perfect. Hey might get billy I would. I'd say as of as of football broadcaster myself and aspiring vocal artist. You are I would say the place to be is. ESPN three because you can really paint paint a picture with your voice and again. No one's really supervising. I mean there are people supervising but you get a wide lane. It's kind of like a blank canvas. You don't know what to expect. They just give you the paint. which is your voice? They give you the canvas which is the game and they let you go wild. Well I really appreciate you guys heaven. The home. The fact that I'm really on the bottom of totem pole. Here's no no no. No no no no Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike me and you. I'm saying we're the same. That's the same. That's the same mm-hmm outlet where I do my football broadcasting. So I'm just saying it's it's an incredible platform and a place to go by the way if you WanNa follow him on twitter it's at M. O. D. see the number four and then the word three spelled out which is little confusing. Mike well let me answer your the fact that you just gave me a long winded question. I I was going to say it was their question no question I think the only question and there was confirming spell your twitter account. Why want people to follow him? Sure that's correct. Yeah well my my. My initials are M. O. D. and that's what everybody called me when I played at UCF and then my number was four. And I was like you know a really boring fundamentally sound white player in college and so. The announcer had nicknames for everybody on the team except I show a lot of threes so when they were announcing my name instead of it used to be Germane. The beasts Taylor it was my for three Donald and so that's about as lame and and as nickname I got but YEAH ESPN three. Total blank canvas You know very few people are watching. But it's It took a long time. You know a a long time to get into that space and I'm not as popular as you are. Billy so is probably easier for you but It's a really. It took a while longtime two years. I even get my first. ESPN three game. This is about three or four years ago and then I'm trying to fail my way at the top and I'm trying to I figured out a long time ago. People who are very successful in this space end up being themselves more often than not than makes them successful and that was I think I was trying to be someone else for a long time doing the games and I really love breaking down a games and I really loved the Lebatardshow and I was like Kinda why the hell not let me just see if I can just pop in one or two things for some I find joy doing it. I'M GONNA keep doing it and people seem to like it so I mean on a serious note. That's a great message to give people who were you know up and coming in the industry is just be yourself because a lot of people obviously like you said yourself and I was like and I'm sure everybody here is that you try to be something that you think people want you to be and then you could offer as insincere and then people don't really flock to you and then once you really become yourself people start liking it and relating to you because it's genuine now on less serious note you're giving me. Real Reese Davis survives. Like Real Davis vies with your voice That's the prince of ESPN My goal is I mean I WanNa be on College Game Day for College College hoops. You kidding me I mean that's that's the goal is sitting next to restate. I would make it I was. I'd be drenched in sweat. That first time it'd be embarrassing but you get over it get through. It was really. You know I'll go back to you. Guys might appreciate this story I I was. It took two years to get to this to kind of get to the get. ESPN three and that the Cookman South Florida game was insane. When I got that game it was crazy and I was a nervous wreck but to get that game was was really difficult. I gotta I've just network like crazy for two straight years trying to get games and then I finally developed a good relationship with someone that used to be the ESPN ESPN. I get a text on a Sunday night in early. November Four years ago. He says being Charlotte tomorrow for lunch. I was like okay I call. Oh my wife and I'm like hey that's why I'm flying in Charlotte and flying out like in two hours and So I get there and have the worst meaning of my life. It was a total disaster. Awful I was dressed in my finest banana republic factory outlet soup and I show up to the meeting. Yeah show up to the meeting for the guy who oversees ESPN and ESPN plus. And they go. Oh you came into suit. Wow and I'm like wow this is great and it was a terrible meeting I was like you you know I had all these things prepared. I WANNA ask them and I kept trying to pitch him certain things and and it was just dead air constantly. And I'm like well. This is about the I meeting. I could possibly have my entire life and I and before I leave. I said Hey You know I'm going to buy your lunch here but any feedback and he goes no not really You know Good luck and said okay. Great thanks and I literally as well as I like twenty nine. At the time I call my dad. Yeah from the airport and I go dad my dreams over it's over it's dead and this is you know if I can't get any. ESPN three game you know. What are we doing here and because that's that's fine you'll be okay and I'm like no you're staying? We're spending my life drenched in sweat you know can't around the suit in the airport and I send the Guy Follow up. Happy Happy Thanksgiving tax like a week and a half ago in a reply back and he says hey. Can you do these two games assure and then to ended up coming Dan becoming into seven that year and then it just kinda trickle ben trickling in ever since and The worst Michigan my life turned into just I ended up being. I get to do something that I have a huge passion for Nice happy Thanksgiving tax on the follow up. That was it too. By the way was happy. Thanksgiving giving serious no exclamation l like Like a little gift of Turkey or something. You put a period in there specifically just happy Thanksgiving declarative sentence. Yeah yeah total declarative. Yeah I was just you know. I didn't know what to do. You don't want to bother these guys. This is like it's it's a tense. You know relationship. You don't WanNA WANNA be to persistent become annoying and otherwise you're not gonNA GET Games. We'll happy thanksgiving. You know email. Listen guys I'm an idiot. I don't know what I'm doing you no. I'm just trying to figure this thing out as I go. So I've looked at this Guy Mike's Profile picture and he's got the look we can hear his voice. He's got the voice choice so look what are the goals like. What is the endgame here for you like? What is that what you is? That is basketball like the sport. You WanNa be in like are you in or are you. Okay Okay Yeah Yeah I don't know anything else to be a part of Like a different sport I'd love to be on. ESPN show that one day. Just randomly not make any sense. Yeah I don't WanNa make like I want them to give me like You know The lumberjack you know or whatever and just like I have no idea what's going on but these guys are incredible. You know in my head Mike that we would pitch something that we'd be doing and you could be calling that and we've had look we have our own fraud cashiering worry about it just slot and we'll make it happen them you want the lumberjacks. We should do that. You and I should do it together. Billy thank would-be. It'd be so bad that it would be amazing. We're pros the vocal artists. We've gone over this man if fau and how you basketball ever play we could get a little three way going threesome wow oh. Wow Wow dirty yeah. That sounds incredible Very exciting no. It's the bulk Chris. Go back the goal is I mean I I just I wanna be a mainstay at this company I want to be on College Game Day eventually. I just and it may sound ridiculous cliche insane but man I just love called shoop celebrity dirt every day and I love the voice and face for the network in large capacity. That was GONNA be my next question if you have this passion for college if you ever want to work your way up to the NBA but you just loved the college game no yeah the NBA is a totally different game I don't have I you know if it now that might change over time but right now if you asked me would you WanNa do. NBA Games. Eventually I would say no. We're just because I don't know enough about the game. It's a lot different than hopes what I know and I you know I try to have fun fun. I try to have a good time but I really don't WANNA gas bag. I really don't and I'd rather just be self deprecating and be really educated on the teams in the college basketball landscape. That's just kind of that's that's my niche. That's my Mo.. I'm in the sense of emails. Maybe we can do a game together. You may have to handle the play by play new your more of an analyst but maybe maybe we can get some like random sunbelt game also we need to get a Hashtag known firm. It's been our thing lately like we're trying to get to the All Star game. We try to do something yesterday and sent into the hall of fame. And how how do you feel about them Michael. Donald I don't know if you feel if you're arresting fan growing up but we were talking yesterday about the the hall of fame. WWe Hall Nina wwe wrestling. Okay as a million. I do But yeah but I wasn't allowed to watch a growing up because my dad was a high school wrestler and he would I mean I grew up in an Irish Catholic home. So that is it's like you want to see real wrestling. Let's go let's Matt Right now and I'm like easy dad actually real wrestling. Then why is it called Amateur Bingo. That's what I told him but I didn't feel like getting getting put into a pretzel on the floor announcing Bronco you know what I mean. Yeah for a bit of a bit of a tangent here but I was watching wrestling last night waiting for my wife to come home. And she walks in and she says hello and she turns me and she's like who thought of wrestling like who invented this absurd thing. Who would ever think of something like this? I'm like well I don't think it's Abraham Lincoln but around those times but it is a fairly absurd thing your take on all that I did go to school with Hulk Hogan's kids and he used is the Elvis for yelling at him which was pretty cool. Wait a second you went to school. NACRE Brooke both knows. Yeah well it was It it was thanks to say is in clearwater and There was a private private Catholic school and he would come pick his kids all the time. And we'd yell at him you know 'cause everybody knows especially that everybody. Nobody knows all Cogan isn't even even that wasn't a watch you know may snuck in a WWe episode once or twice everybody's screens out. You Know Hulk you know and we would just yell at him and he would yell at a table The brothers and we thought it was the greatest thing in the world Probably like seven or eight times you know but Yeah that's that's about the extent of my exciting childhood there. W W you went to school with Hogan's kids and you just miss playing on the same team as Michael Jordan's kidby year here. I was on staff. There was a coach. UCF while Marcus and Jeffrey were there what was that I mean it has to be so hard for as for Michael Jordan's kids so so marcus. Marcus embraced it really well Marcus actually hooper. He was second team all conference that year. He can play Roy And he was actually really really easy to deal with super easy and he because he wanted to play and he I like I. He was never late to a team. I know this isn't good for radio but he wasn't. He wasn't late to anything team alike Bus Class practice a study hall. He did everything. Well Jeffrey kind of to me. It was so hard for Jeffrey because it was like the Super Quiet Nice kid and I think he was playing basketball because his last name is Jordan. He was sometimes kind of hard to corral but was like the in a weird way like the most polite way polite a person of all time he'd be like something like Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry I apologize a thousand times. Please forgive me and I'm like yeah man. It's cool you know. We just got to go to practice. You know what I mean. I'm so sorry my bad my bad Jails pretty cool. Yeah would they. Would they give the team. Jay's I mean I'm sure there's gotta be some perks aren't NCWA okay bye. We're in the middle of a mess because UCF was adidas at that time and Marcus refused to wear shoes and he was like well. I'm only wearing Jordan shoes. And it became this huge deal and everybody kept going back and forth about how violation or is Adidas GonNa get really upset which beat as was kind of upset. Oh set Is Nike Jordan. Going to be upset and they were a little disappointed with how everything was handled. But you see it was just at that time you know administratively really map prepared for some type of like Adidas Scandal. You know everybody was just running around and then Marcus would just show up wearing Jordan shoes and we were like well. What are we GONNA do? You stop it and nobody did anything to stop it. We we all know we know all too well about UCF now being able to be prepared for something as the Dan Lebatardshow national championship arrayed I was so mad about that. I just want to let you guys know that I was like I called ministration about it. I'm like what are you guys doing. And it really wasn't as it was the university versity at that time and university leadership Just date. They just didn't get the show. They could understand it and I was like devastated that that it didn't happen but I know you wanNA open up that can of worms again. So who's your favorite local our caller No I don't I don't know how to answer. He doesn't play you. Don't play favorites. You know play. Thank you billy I feel like I just greg coded myself. Nah We're good. You know it's like your kids. You can't pick your favorite kid. You can't pick your favorite caller. I know what you're writing with. Billy you may be with billy but this was a test and you failed no no. I say we're national show SNOB. No no no no not at all. Can I recover. You know I get really frustrated. Listening to David Samson Jason but it's kind of like an addiction when he does come on the local hour because I don't agree with like ninety nine percent of his viewpoint on almost everything but every time you see I can't stop listening to them. It's a little bit I it's it's a little bit frustrating but every time he does come on the local hour. It's so frustrating to me that I can't I'll pull over. I'll be late to a meeting. I don't know how to feel about this cover. No you deflect like no. You're national national show SNOB. No he likes the national our he just you know. He can't pick his favourite. You can't favorite naked. Make Chris show exactly who knows making crazy knows helping container these things that we did. What does the ship? And what is the a shipping container. Do with you on a Wednesday rockin babe exactly. He knows lots with us. As your game Sunday I got a game Sunday. What in fact? I think you have to work in as your penance. You have to work in rock. I'm with you on Wednesday even though it's Sunday oh my good Lord above All right why not what you know. I'll do it live. It'd be fun either that or just curse one of the two. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Perfect. Yeah that's that that always goes really well when when someone gets an one like Oh shit exactly. It's not but let me. Can I just let me just be a little self absorbed right here if I get rocking with you in on a Sunday. We'll I earn your respect back. Mike no because it has to be rocking with you on Wednesday even though it Sunday. That's what I'm saying. I if I work rocking with you on Wednesday on Sunday's game well I earn your at least at least consider earning the respect that totally forgiven. You probably shout out Hefei too because that's the answer to the question of who your favorite local. Our caller should be by the way just for future in rock and I say rocket with you on Wednesday. I'm I'm in. I got at Sunday's covered all right Sunday. What game do you have on Sunday again? Well Sacred Heart. UCF Big Game. I'd probably be watching it anyways because I have a problem. I'll be there man all right. We talked to you then. No actually thanks guys. See All right. Well Mike Love you love you guys who sit back. That subserve inflatable noodle. Oh man is constant enjoying entices people to look me look at me. He's stylist and brainless a literal pad. Curiously however inflatable inflatable middleman. When hearing the Geiko not only saves people money bills has an award winning hand that makes it easy to manage policy? He knows you should switch because yes S.. Two GEICO is a no brainer stock and inflatable noodle man Kasame. They are unpredictable creatures.

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BOX158: Ghosts Who Wear Corduroy

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BOX158: Ghosts Who Wear Corduroy

"Quick Update before we start the show. Himalayas has extended the Thirty Day free offer on the box of oddities premium channel. Yeah so if you want to check out the premium neom contents in support the box of oddities in doing so you can check it out for free for the first thirty days using a new Promo Code Promo Code owed box you can find the link on our website the box of items dot com or your Himalayas App for a limited time. What follows may not be suitable for all audiences is listener? Discretion is advised the world is full of stories stories of mysteries curiosities join and Joe through Gilligan Tov for the strange shaw the unexpected as Luther Lid and obviously inside the box commodities so this weekend was the very first bonus episode this past weekend was our very first bonus episode that we issued to the freaks yeah. It's part of your premiums subscription so it's a great way to support the box of oddities when you subscribe to the premium content content on the Himalayas APP and you get some stuff ad free episodes episodes drop a day early for US bonus episode owed says we mentioned and during this bonus episode we had some news that we shared all it was new. It was news. WE'RE GONNA share it with you now and it's important. It's dog related you guys so you might remember a few episodes ago we had their. DNA testing done we sent out Willie's DNA and we got the results back and then we thought well this is really cool. Let's let's get banjos done as well so we did and we got the results assaults back so we're scrolling through banjos results and one of the things one of the features of the embark test is it shows you the other people people who are the other dogs whose DNA is listed in their system that have DNA match to your dog so like we saw Willie had a forty eight percent match to iota and a forty eight percent match to Mr Meatloaf in that's equivalent to a human relationship like a parent or a sibling so then we got banjos. DNA results back and we're scrolling through again and of course my favorite part is seeing the animals that are related to the pops because I get to compare how much they look like them be like Oh. This one looks just like Willie right among his brother and then I freak out and crime so when we're scrolling through banjos relatives we noticed Mr Meatloaf but it looked familiar rush it did and so I went back to Willie's results and Willie had relative named Mr Meatloaf. It's the same Nestor Meatloaf that they're both related to well not just Mr Meatloaf. There were like four or five zero four or five dollars so what we determined was the Willie Willie who came from Arizona and Banjo who came from Maine share family from the Wisconsin Illinois Area Wisconsin Slash Illinois their cousin bears the they're related and not just distant relatives. They're very closely related again like parent sibling type of relationship relationship. It's crazy well if their parents sibling with Mr Meatloaf then Mr Meatloaf was parents sibling too so it would be more really cousins. Some parents siblings okay. There's a there's an extra degree there. There's an extra will smith which by the way is another unit of measurement here on the box of oddities grilled grilled cheese sandwiches and will Smith's so that's the big reveal is that through Dan through DNA testing. We have determined that William Banjo are related even though they came from the complete opposite sides of the country anyway so just take a moment and sit down. Catch your breath after that news and cats going to tell you you a story. Oh okay so I wanNA talk today about Catherine Smith also known as Kitty Smith. She was born into you a Chicago. Family October twenty nine eighteen eighty to her mother and father were English people but her father I became a naturalized citizen of the US in eighteen eighty two. She had two older brothers and a younger sister emily so at the age of nine. Kitty's mother suddenly passed away and she was left in the care of her father and her father was not doing great he was having having a real hard time keeping one his temper in line and to his drinking to a minimum so drinking and temper right so often when they go hand in hand for for real now there are conflicting reports about what happened on. Thanksgiving Day eighteen ninety one neighbors reported that that Kitty had refused to do the housework that was left after her mother had died or she wasn't doing it to her father's specifications specifications Jimmy right right so her father beat her and then held her hands to lift stove until her hands and arms were burned so badly that they had to be amputated. Oh my God how old was she. Nine nine years old now Luder reports show that Kitty stated that what had happened was she was sent to the store to get booze for her father and she had tried a little herself and then when she was filling the stove the heat plus the booze to a nine year old body led her to pass out into to the fire so she was covering for her father. It could have been either way. I don't know physicians and surgeons said that the bones of her hands and arms were so badly burned. They amputated three inches from the shoulders. I mean you would have to leave your arms in an open fire for an extended period of time even crematory ovens. They have to bust the bones up with a hammer holy crap. I mean that's not saying that. Her bones burned down to dust. Just you know frame of Reference Okay. Yeah so the Humane Society of Illinois took took the matter up and arrested Kitty's father after a trial he was held the grand jury and the final trial in the spring of eighteen ninety you too. He was acquitted for lack of evidence so main society the people you adopt puppies and kittens from now. I don't know I think at that they they may have been connected at one point. I'm not sure sounds like maybe her father should have been neutered. I mean I think that that's the case for a lot of people but every time I suggest that people get all weird airborne birth control Emma right anyway so but she also had burns on her neck and her chest but they weren't that serious she was discharged from the hospital in February of eighteen ninety two. Oh so I mean that's four months in a hospital. Can you became a ward of the Children's Home Society of Illinois for several years specifically specifically living in the home for destitute and crippled children and it was there that one of the doctors Mr Greg took an interest in the story surrounding rounding her and as this time rolled around Kitty's father had waived any rights to her so the doctor created a an Education Fund for her it was called the Kitty Smith Fund and it proved to be six. S and donations allowed the doctor to bring in specialized staff to teach now armless Katie how to use her feet to accomplish specific tasks. They didn't call her armless. Katie they did knox walks cruel however even by nineteenth century standards when I was searching the web for her Kitty Smith Armless. I'm Lou wonder was how I found her so I mean it's not that far off so kitty became very skilled in writing with her feet she also I loved to draw and paint she could also play piano she could type she had embroidery skills and the Fund Soup Sup- I know like I can't embroider with my hands so she left in eighteen ninety six and that fund helped support court her it paid for her board when she moved to Wisconsin to attend public school it said that during her time in the home and in in school she saw people who she felt were far worse off than she was and she was grateful for what she had and the people who had supported reported her through her life so she had kind of this boundless gratitude and sweetness to her even though she had a lot of right eight to be angry so by nineteen o five kitties fund was exhausted and she was not eligible to draw from the state any longer her her family had all kinds of disbanded. Obviously her father was not in the picture and I think at this point he had died anyway. her brothers were low paid laborers brewers her sister had been adopted. She wasn't going to be of help to her. So Kitty resolved to support herself so she began to kind of humbly. Capitalize capitalize on her tragedy. She started selling drawings and pamphlets about her story. The pamphlets distributed were accompanied by I a return card. There was a little slot in the return card where you could put a quarter. If you wanted to help support her okay which is so clever and since she made these pamphlets on her own if Bri foot it was very inspiring what made and the optimism that she you showed and the determination it really did it got people engaged and they were happy to help and by one thousand nine hundred six she had amassed passed over thirty five thousand dollars in quarters. Yeah this chick was the real deal she wrote. I have never had a lesson in drawing or sketching acquiring the little knowledge I have on the subject by practice using a study which I place on the floor at the side of my drawing paper. I sharpened. Oh my pencils opening and closing the knife that I used to sharpen myself again. I have injured myself opening a knife with my hands and you've almost been arrested did it. Tsa A number of times right kitty was able to dress herself brush. Her teeth comb her hair. Do all those common tasks. She could also accomplish rush. Common household tasks sweeping mopping cleaning stoves etc amazingly. She could also play the piano as I said she could do semi-skilled skilled woodwork. She made bookcases desks and other furniture completely by herself. Wow beyond randolph. This kitties story moved people because of her attitude who she was so positive she was an optimist and she considered herself really really lucky in life so kid he founded the Kitty Smith company where she employed a bookkeeper. A stenographer and a dozen envelope stuffers are so and she she wanted to help kids with disabilities overcome the things that they were dealing with and she was using her story as a as a way to do that that she was kind of like a motivational speaker but she did not live in a van. Dome right largely by the tenacious and very persistent efforts efforts of Gracie Wilbur trout and her cohorts in one thousand nine hundred twelve through one thousand nine hundred thirteen on June twenty-sixth nineteen thirteen win then began being allowed to vote on presidential elections that scandaleuse as well as many other elections so in nineteen thirteen an estimated the two hundred fifty thousand women voted in Chicago with Kitty leading the way so kitty was the first woman to vote in Chicago Kogo and she did it with her feet. No that's amazing yeah so in a book she published She sold old reproductions of her drawings and embroidery all done with her feet is there is a photo of a quilt that she made all the pieces this is for which she cut and sewed herself and she wrote in that book toward those who've helped me in the past. My heart is filled filled with boundless gratitude and to you who helped me by buying this book I shall answer and say barely I say unto you inasmuch such as Ye have done it unto one of at least of these my brethren. Ye have done it unto me. She was just really great grateful. She he was grabbed. She was right full of Gratton. Yeah that's incredible anyway. That's the story of Kitty the Armless Dynamo who was the first woman to vote in Chicago so what else happened in her life. I mean you said she started her own company. Did that continued you to help people and yeah that's and that's how she made her living was by writing books and `and making art and showing people that you don't have to be bound by the parameters that typically we think you are. That's a remarkable story thought so and now it's not a very long one but I just thought she was so inspiring. I woke up this morning cranky because I slept on my hair wrong. I know and it was all on one side doing that. WHOO thing yeah and so how do I feel like a Douche as well. You should know that thing in the middle this thing in the middle weird wrong numbers that people have gotten number five. I got a wrong number. Actually it was a text one time time with a photo of a couple of little kids and it said something like just thought you'd want to see what your children look like. ooh number four. I get a few calls from several people looking for tickets to a Rodeo. One Guy called three times and on the third he said No. This is the right number the number three. You had an old guy call my family's house when I was in high school and before young up after explained he had the wrong number. He said you sound like a smart young a young fellow. Do you know anything about computers. I love it when old people call me smart young feller. That's what I want. My vanity plates say number two someone I'm was calling for a friend who had the same name as me. Neither of US could figure out what the hell was going on for a few minutes there I imagine that would be very confusing and number one my kid had called from his friend. Joe's house and said he wanted to stay there. After school and I agreed and then my kid walks in wrong kid wrong number. Sorry random kid. 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Dot Com slash oddities honey the smart shopping assistant that saves you time and money when you're shopping online. This is the box oddities in your mileage may vary. We get an email from will he said. Hi Katrin Jeff Throw it just listened to today's episode and I wanted to write you with some follow up two cats story sorry Theodore Donohue now. He was the guy that we talked about who was recently arrested. Do deal that's right now now. He hasn't been found guilty that he has been arrested for the suspicion of murder and apparently you will grew up just down the road from dill he writes his house was one. I always walked a little faster past and which gave off the Erie reaced feeling due to his reclusive nature. Donahue's nickname in my house was the turtle man as you can imagine this story has been the main topic of conversation in the neighborhood and hearing it on the box of oddities was delightfully surreal. Love the podcast thanks for reading. Thanks for sharing will no kidding. I WanNa know about got any encounters. You had with this dude over the years and screaming. I love that you live near to him. You could be our box bodies investigative reporter feel like if he had hung hung out with Dell probably he would have mentioned it but maybe he knows somebody who has hung out with Dylan had. Maybe maybe maybe it's the two degrees of separation to will Smith's them mm-hmm all right. Here's my topic today. It was actually inspired by one of your old jobs. Okay mowing graveyards. Yes yeah I knew it yes. I knew it wasn't gonNA be working at aim's which is a defunct department store. Yes you actually worked in a graveyard. Well several yeah for the town and you just mowed the lawn. That's right. What a great job. That must have been it was Gloria just had the place to yourself where you WanNa riding lawnmower now you did it by hand. Yes that sucks well. I mean there's a lot of INS and outs. It would be impossible to to manage a full cemetery on a ride on on lawnmower. You'd have to go in and do so much trim work that it would be silly anyway. So why not just do it right the first time that's why a lot of more modern cemeteries aries only have like the memorial stones that are implanted in the ground they call those places memorial parks as opposed to cemeteries series and it's much cheaper to get a plot in a memorial park because it's easier to maintain yeah. I would imagine for sure now while you were working there her. I imagine you know you never really mode at night. No no it was daytime work. Would you have mode at night if they asked you to. I guess I mean anything creepy ever happen. No never not once they were few places where because this was an old town like a small town and there were some really old cemeteries that that I worked at so there were some that were kind of tucked back into the woods and of those some went far back and then they'll really old. stones were way back and they were kind of away so there were some spots that were maybe a little darker. Parker during the day. Maybe a little cooler than you'd expect. They kind of have that quiet eerie feeling but no nothing ever weird happened. We'll these are experiences very ince's that people who work in cemeteries and graveyards had that were if not just creepy out and out unexplained explained and this is according to rancor one guy says that a number of odd experiences with our crematorium one such instance was in Twenty Twelve Elf following the service of a very large man roughly three hundred seventy five pounds. I got the retort which is the Cremation Chamber preheated needed while my wife set up movie for us to watch while the man was being cremated I use the elevating platform and then slid him in closing the door to the retort afterward in going to sit down now about five minutes after I'd shut the door to the retort. We heard a thump. Neither of US paid much attention but a few moments later there was another and then another I stood up worried that the men may have had a pacemaker still inside of him however it was unlikely because he had had all of his organs removed during an autopsy the thumping and the thudding got more hurried so we ran over and we looked through the front window of the retort and could not believe what we were seeing. The man inside was flailing about both of his arms and legs were bouncing around like he was in extreme pain now. It isn't odd to see parts arts move well. Somebody is being cremated. They're breaking down. They will often contract as muscles and tendons will snap yeah well. It's like you know a bonfire would burns it shifts. It moves there. I mean it's like anything else that Burns it as it breaks down. It's going to move he said but this was most decidedly not that the man's fingers were balled up in fists and he was banging against the windows and his legs seemed it'd be kicking downward as if trying to get out the man's mouth was open and first groans began emanating from within and then they ultimately became screams screams. There was no way absolutely no way whatsoever that he could still have been alive but for about twenty seconds after we'd gone back up to the retort the man inside the cremation chambers screamed and flailed his arms and legs about I mean did you would you have like opened it and and just to act or were you kinda like committed yeah. That's a good question. what would you do comes. John Key ONA's Probably I'd have to open. I think that my curiosity would I don't think it would allow me to just let it continue without investigating gating further yeah. I don't know I don't know what I would do. I think probably the right thing to do would be to investigate it further but I'd probably just go back and washed the rest of caddyshack which is nice I think now the guy writes that his family had owned a cemetery for nearly five generations and he said I've been working there since I was twelve the House that my family built on the properties about thirty yards back from the main office one night when we were kids my grandpa and my uncle were up late. Mongol happened to look out the window and swore to my grandpa that he'd seen somebody walking behind one of the trees. The lamppost illuminated the very first handful of plots and headstones on the other side of the road but at that point they everything was fine. It was nothing suspicious this going on. I could see my GRANDPA. My uncle stood at the window for a little while. My GRANDPA ultimately teased my uncle for being scared however when they woke up the next morning the police were there in the hours between when they looked out the window and saw the burial plots undisturbed which was about four. Am and the time they noticed the commotion. I'm from the police at about seven. AM seven plots had been dug up. The headstones were stacked very deliberately like a house of cards and and behind them. The caskets were top one another. I one lying flat the next one straight up then flat then straight up then flat Ah. I don't believe this even a little bit. How would you even manage that like most casket have rounded sides and they wouldn't stack that way. It's just physics he he says with basic casket dimensions taking into account that was about thirty feet high now he says even with Machinery Henry in the present day it would take at least a bit more time to accomplish just digging up seven graves but back in the fifties how this was done in one hundred at eighty minutes with no one that lived in the house right across the street hearing it is just it's it's impossible to explain or impossible or impossible to explain that's right. You've already said that he was there. You weren't there. You don't know the read it man no picture this another cemetery employee said that she was originally hired hired because the cemetery had a period of time where they experienced some people sneaking in to perform certain rituals she said. I was twenty one years old doing this as a side job with nothing to protect myself. I was given a barcode scanner and was told to drive through the entire cemetery every hour on patrol into scan. Each of the pre posted bar codes to prove I was actually doing it going through the the cemetery and checking it now. This cemetery was massive pretty pretty much broken down in three parts the newer part the historic part and the famous part where celebrities are buried did the routine once and never did it again. Going is is going so far as to break the Barcode scanner so I did have to do it. While I was driving. It was pitch black coming around a long curved road. My headlights picked up the sworn where a pair of legs walking across the path but only up to the knees shoes pants knees and then absolutely nothing I stopped in the road and just watch this pair of legs cross about ten feet in front of me what kind of pants though probably core Roy thanks so I think ghosts love Corduroy. I like the swoosh sound that it makes sure it's spooky. One day I was chatting with an old man in the Muslim and he was rambling on about his wife in in how her crypt looked so nice with the marble and such and he had his hand resting on the niche next to hers and he kept saying this is where I'm I'm going to go. After we parted ways I looked at his spot and he was gone in on the marble was his date of death which we only sandblast death dates after they've been entombed creepy that is creepy. Maybe it was like one of those wrong number situations where the guy was just confused and he was like this is where I'm going to go and it's like okay grandpa that could be maybe it wasn't even his wife he was visit. That's right exactly could have been a total title stranger in fact he might have been in the wrong cemetery. We don't know don't know don't know Claire. A different cemetery employee said one afternoon my coworker and and I were walking the paved roads inside the cemetery with a trash bag looking for litter. We came upon a particular area of the cemetery. Oh my God it was covered in vassal lean gene. How did you know did you look at my notes. You're all neatly stacked on gravestones ghosts. Thanks very horny. Ghosts we came upon one particular area of the cemetery. They had a lot of mausoleums and took the next lane around a corner that goes along side of of one of the Muslims as we rounded it. There was an older gentleman may be late sixties early seventy standing with his back against the side of the mausoleum just looking at the plot of graves nearby two things were kind of weird about him. He was dressed off. His clothing seemed to be out of date. He was wearing a papa accord roy jacket in eighty degree weather and one of those newsboy type caps long pants button up shirt but when you think about it a lot of elderly people kind of dress in out of update clothing anyway so I struggled off the second thing he had a coffee mug. He was drinking oughta thermos. Not a styrofoam cop with a lid an actual ceramic coffee fi mug that he was sipping out of right in the middle of the cemetery now. That's probably odd for some people but not for now not for you and me no not at all. I mean our both of our trucks. Trucks are full of ceramic coffee mugs. That's what I carry with me constantly. Do I have my keys. Check purse. Check Coffee Mug. Check back that was part of the design for that. that container you were going to build for the back of your vehicle was the store. All of the empty ceramic coffee mugs no plan for being a disgusting hoarder. It just happens pens that way so it's nature not nurture well that doesn't apply in any way here so anyway this guy standing there and his corduroy jacket drinking coffee out of a ceramic mug. ooh. Ooh Does it say something like. Don't worry be happy or world's best GRANDPA hang in there. I waved to him. He smiled and waved back. I kept walking. We only a few feet away when the other girl said that was a little weird and we both look over our shoulder back at him and he was gone. We stopped and kind of took a few steps back to see if he'd walked around the mausoleum but we couldn't see him anywhere. COUPLA days later we showed up for work and found one of the regular workers there. Let them know that we were there. Are we talked to him for a few minutes and I brought up seeing the old man by the mausoleum in the section the groundskeeper just kind of smiled and ask me. Did he have a coffee mug. We said yeah he said Yeah. That's our ghost. He's not really there so we pressed him for more information. He said that he's always seen that guy. In in that spot for years looking at a family plot always has a coffee mug always wearing the same clothes he said there is a grave for a wife and two daughters and the husband spend that he stares at do you think he was the husband or was he a love and he was staring at his loved ones grave and his illegitimate children listen while the body of the man who she was supposed to be committed to laze rotting and not knowing that his wife was A. Ne'er do well. Oh God I didn't think of that. That's maybe a time traveler. You ever think that that's true. We could be a time traveler at the time traveler or a Ninja. The husband's grave said that he he passed away in the early seventies and his wife and two daughters graves passed away a couple of decades before and the three of them had the exact exact same date of death the mother in the two daughters so they think that this this guy is their dad the spirit of their data bad or at least a residual haunting maybe for years he came and stood there and had his coffee and spent some time with his loved ones and it's still happening to this day or that. Woman was a dirty slot. Listen just because you're a slut doesn't mean you're dirty. She could have been a clean slot. No slut let shaming here anyway. It makes me want to get a job at a graveyard. That sounds really cool. It was one of my most favorite jobs. I loved it. Just the the piece of not having to talk to people. Would you like put your ear buds in and just mow the lawn. I WANNA job like that. It was Gloria except on a riding mower. I don't WANNA have to walk. You've you've got to focus on the quality of the job that you're going to do and that you can only get accomplished with a with a push mower. You did that today here. I'm exhausted said watching him o our lawn lawn today it was about I'd say four weeks overdue. I would say at least that I have mode once this year well well that was going to bring that up without sounding like. I'm condemning you in any way because I haven't motive all right you in years and years and the reason being I have allergies agrees and you sweet woman took it upon yourself to to do the the mowing and trimming oddly. You're not allergic to snow yet. You don't shovel that. I'm allergic. Coal them see the rash I get It's blistering out there. I'm just glad I'm not allergic to art furniture. I don't get Atta spent a Lotta time here. Okay 'cause I'm sitting in it a lot. Okay me bum would have Arash anyway. That's all I got for you today. The box survive on your phone couple times a week and we'll see on Thursday. 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Ep 194 | Famous Last Words? 'Epstein Didn't Kill Himself!'

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Ep 194 | Famous Last Words? 'Epstein Didn't Kill Himself!'

"Party to another episode of the Chad Breakthrough Show L.. Hatton Natalie just running all over the studio like am I just come back silently and migrant our good friend navy seal waist layer dog trainer author friend Lover Colleague esteemed colleague host host of the ever-growing incredible mic drop podcast trikeouts DOT COM T. R. K. O. S. DOT COM. Check it out all his stuff may your your business has been just this. We're talking about it's kind of blown up it. Has You know. I think it's The difference between people that are successful and not just Perseverance honestly you know I've been doing my own thing. Entrepreneur is for a little over ten years now and You know at first several years was tough you know it was tight and it was robbing Peter to pay Paul and You know asking favors and you know just trying to make it work and I think you know just continuing to grind it out and and believe in yourself You know really. It has made the difference so the last couple years. It's gone really well so so Mike for those of you. Who missed the last episode in our Old Studio Twenty Two mikes written so you know maybe sealed dog trainer? I mean what does even official try to terminology. What is the I mean? You're basically training dogs. That are assassins. Asan's a working dog trainer. I guess Assassin dog trainer Alec. Data get some business card dogs. Yeah Ninja Ninja dogs but you. You've you've trained some special forces animals out there in written books about it. which I I dig the really? The only differences the caliber of genetics. It's you know it's kind of like looking at college players pro players all stars pro bowlers. You know that when it comes to working dogs. That's that's the most apt analogy allergy. I can kind of relate it to is that you know. There's there's just a difference genetically between the dogs whether it's at a at a lower police department level some you know little six. The Deputy Sheriff's department in podunk Kansas versus all the way up to tier one special operations. You know the dogs do basically the same stuff. It's just it's by order of magnitude. They're just better at it at that level but so we talked about this too. Because I want you to come to the house because Ben Ben Say you've been busy and now I've been traveling. It's been crazy. Willie Willie my shepherd who everybody knows who really is like. He's famous. He doesn't know it he just a dog. I walk out on stage and these live performances people. Where's Willy and I'm like at home I mean you? We'll we'll what's really got to say about that lead frigging dog. He doesn't really care uh-huh he knows how to get in the back seat and hang out. The Willie is a is a smart dog and he's a super athlete. And I want you to tune him up. I want you to take a look at it. I WANNA analysis. I'm all true. Willie analysis analysis through May Be happy to do it. I was talking about presence. You know in terms of the presidential candidates earlier. And that's really the name of the game when it comes to evaluating dog is is is. You've got to harness that that primal instinct and bring up a predatory presents to a dog and make them understand. I'm here for for evil intentions. I'm here to snatch her soul. And what are you going to do about it right. And if you don't have the ability to get in that dog's head and make them understand that you can't really get ineffective or or or an accurate analysis of what that dog is because rest assured if to two. AM somebody hopped up on bath salts. You know a former all American linebacker kicks sure door in the. You better have a nasty dog to deal with somebody like that. And so you've got to be able to To kind of recreate that that presence in essence and violence Johnson Violence of action and forward aggression towards an animal for them to decide and they're going to decide one of the other. It's either going to be I. I'm GONNA rip your your face ace off or I want nothing to do with us. There's there's not any grey area with that you know so if you are getting gray area that means you know as the decoy as the infiltrator. You're doing it wrong. They should either want to kill you or be scared to death of. You almost have feel sorry for Willie just moments coming. Yeah well I mean it's can handle it's very it's measured. Also part of worthy expertise comes in is really nuanced in that. You know like I'm not going to just come wide open. Adam them and see what he's got it it'll stair step its way up and and for me you know the the welfare of the of the animal is is my priority and it's my job to ensure that stays intact so you know I'm I'm not GonNa do anything foolish or anything that's going to be detrimental to the dog GonNa do do something and then take it up a notch and then another notch and based on what he's giving giving me I I may You know see right away. Hey this dog just doesn't have it and we won't go any further You know so. There's there's kind of some almost mental boxes that need to be checked for me to take the next step and it is very calculated. Sooner than later I've been wanting to do this and 'cause I trust everything we do and I. It's funny because you get on the website. Read the books you go to trysofi DOT COM listen mic drop podcast which is completely unfiltered for those folks view. That just really want to sit down for a couple of hours with some great guests and and just hear people just really break it down for you and tell you the world where it really is mic. Drop podcasts place. You need to be for their shit. Yeah it's I enjoy is one of my is one of my go-to always listens twos and appreciate it. But I'm trying to get you in here when when when the dog bit the balls off a al-Baghdadi yeah and you you're scheduled for those of you who don't remember. We need to throw this clip. They need to tell Kansas. I don't even know if we can when you were on waters world if I could throw A. PSA out real quick real quick Just the the remarkable marketable nature of these dogs and and being highlighted in the news creates a huge demand by people that frankly shouldn't have them if If you see the the coverage and you decide I want one of these dogs either by a Finnish trained You know fully trained and finished dog from a professional or just. Just don't get one at all Patten Epstein didn't kill himself all right okay thank you for that commentary all right Mike. Maybe more on that later I was actually surprised that the aired it because that was is a pre-recorded show I we recorded on like a Friday afternoon and it came out Saturday night so it was the third or fourth national interview if I had done Based off of that that event taking place You know and all of them were about the same which for me you know as as the dog industry is related? I I like an opportunity to kind of speak a little further in-depth on on the capability of the dogs. You know from a an augmentation tation standpoint. You know how much they they help our troops from From again a an asset standpoint and so I figured that you know with him him being kind of a a younger hip or guy than than the other people had been on that he would give me more of a chance. Because I've seen him get pretty serious and in-depth with guest before And so I was kind of anticipating that and his was actually the shortest You know and just kind of seemed like it wasn't really taking it serious and frankly just kind of pissed me off so I really like on the way and I saw a bunch of Funny Epstein. Didn't kill himself memes and it was. It was totally off the cuff planet. it was just something that I was a little bit irritated with with the interview being so short and I I just threw it in there to be a smart ass. BIA assuming that they wouldn't air it anyway. But then they did mass from. I come from news and and I. I don't care if I was on CNN. If I had been the producer knowing the number of US I would probably get because of that. I would've heard it too it. It was great it was brilliant. I must have shared that with people. A thousand times. Appreciated it Jesse who just waters. Who is the consummate smart smart ass? anyways smirke smack around but he he kept you on for a second ask you didn't he. He did yeah so when when the the segment ended You you know he's he said you know. Hey get me back on with that guy. Quick and so they're like hey wait a minute and so they mike me back up and you said what was that all about and I was like nothing I I was just I was just messing with the honestly like it wasn't anything You know whatever. And he's like what do you know something that we don't Bona like probably not not in this case. So Yeah I you know. I think he thought that I knew something that I did. Or whatever and For sure caught him off guard which I kinda liked to because usually those segments when you can have a two minute answering. They're like yeah. It's interesting so tell me you know like they're not even even listening to you and so for him. It's like wait a minute. Like he started to move past it and then And then realized what I had said and and caught him off guard. I think he found founded funny too. But nothing irritates me more when I'm trying to do media in your in an interview and you can just tell that the Iot just gives zero shit's just doesn't care or they've read something on wikipedia which is eighty percent faults anyway but the al-Baghdadi thing for those of you who I I know the new cycles goals move but there was this there was a serious significant thing that went down. If you don't forget where Al Baghdadi takes his kids up in the cave and the dog was dogs and Conan chases up in there any detonates. Himself commit suicide and the whole thing and I know this isn't dod. This isn't a Clinton Emerson Booker. Jack carrs nothing's redacted here but what's your thoughts on like how much of that operation. Obviously you weren't there but how much of that operation can you speak to say this. This is kind of how that unfolded here. I mean again again. The the the concept of operations As to how it went down my guess is that you know it could have been done a number of ways. I mean I know how I would have done it. It's not necessarily how they would have done it. You know so not being there and not being you know intimately connected with that command or or those guys. It's really it. It would be pure speculation having said that you know I would imagine that the dog was used similarly to how they're always used in that they're primarily or at least initially initially used primarily as explosive detection. You know is ensuring that wherever we're going is that it's a safe path in and out For our guys and then along the way Should the need arise to apprehend somebody you know whether it's somebody fleeing off the backside of a target or out of a window or for You know going into a false floor you know hiding somewhere You know it's the dogs job at that point to to identify an indicate that there are people present doesn't and so There's a lot of different ways that they can do that. And and you know tactically again i. I would just be guessing to to say how exactly it happened. But in in the in the final final moments And again my guess is that you know he was fleeing and the dog probably showed some level of indication as it relates to human odor being present And and the dog's body language will change at that point. No different than you stiffen up if somebody eye balls you at a bar. Whatever you know you'll see that same kind of posturing take place while the dog searching and and at that point was probably let go and and As he was coming in on him you know the guy is standing there. My guess at the end of a tunnel and sees this missile flying his way and he's like desk lacks off. You know so That's my guess as to how would say that's probably a pretty fair assessment on that deal. We're going to take a quick break. We're GONNA take a quick break and get back with this thing and Y'all hang tight and more with Mike Rowland it hanging out mike real and he's a killer. He's a killer APP. What is with the Vet Community Man? We about that a little while ago. Yeah why can't you guys get along. Aw I mean I tried to get along with everybody I mean to me. There's the irony of it. I think is that while you're in service you have to get along with everybody even if you don't like somebody or whatever you can still work with that person and go overseas and you know Kill people together and it's fantastic and watch out for one another but then for for some reason It seems like a lot of times guys come back and when there's money involved in as you're further away from going to war with people I think there's just an element of of competitiveness that That creeps into that. That Ego. A little bit for me I you know unified on like somebody who don't get along along with them or whatever you're not gonNa see me you know publicly saying anything about it I may You know ask ask something on. Somebody's page or whatever but You know I'm not here to sling any mud with anybody address. Just soon get along with all of them but would you go back and do it though like right now do it again just do it all. Oh Hell yeah yeah absolutely miss being being out there in the field overseas yeah. I do I I missed the you know being with that caliber of of individuals You know when you're rolling around sixteen gene or thirty two guys that are all real like minded. You're kind of the the prime your life and your you know tr- doing travelling trips here in this country together and going overseas together That is really tough to beat. I mean that that bond in that fraternity and brotherhood and that experience doing those things with those guises is priceless. You guys are basically psychopaths anyway for sure. I'd say that there is there's something that's a little bit off a serial killer kind of thing I don't know if it's maybe quite that contrasting it's close I mean for sure there's got to be something a little wrong with you. I think I've been around too long this the anyway eight. That's the thing because there's an element all of that stuff and people. I don't think they understand. Is there was a way to navy. Seals did things and now there's another way sort of like like for instance you talk about. You could go through buds. And then you've you're joining your team you get in there with your platoon and those guys at anytime they are deciding. You're not the guy we want to hang with a bust your ass back out of there right. These kind of done away with that haven't they. I would say more so than it used to be. Some of it is just the lack of numbers There's there so few guys in there so much work out there that I think it's it's a little harder to get rid of guys and I also think that political correctness element of. It's harder to fire anybody. has crept in the military. A little bit you know and you you see guys that frankly have no business being being team guys. Were in whatever Bill there is in the military but Because of it it being harder to to get rid of everybody on on a national scale I think that's part of it. So trump managed to get people to hate dogs through the al-Baghdadi thing thing now. They've gotten the left start defending Iran through the Customs Salon Sulejmani thing. What is your thought on? Just I mean and it just smoking solomonic. You here's the line in the sand if you cross it boom. You're out they did it. What's your thought on that I mean did it? Was it the right thing to do. Keep on doing it. Yes and yes You know to me the what what pisses me off. Probably more than anything is anybody. That has You know a resistance assistance to that or questions that or you know. You have heard a lot of people's perspectives on it being you know Ma- yeah. Maybe it was the right thing to do but it's it's why and how he went about it and didn't get authorization and all this other shit you know. The fact is is that if if when Barack Obama sent a drone strike to kill a US citizen unnamed Anwar Al Awlaki overseas right in the US citizen who is tagged as being the The QA P Version of Bin Laden basically basically And you had no problem with that then sit down You know when it comes to this is that I mean plain and simple yes. It's the right thing to do. It should always is be the right thing to do. And if you didn't have an issue with the five hundred and some odd assassination drone strikes. That Obama did during his tenure. How do you have a problem with it now? You Know Oh you just sound like an asshole go all the way to. The extreme and talking about Obama sends a drone strike to a wedding that kills. What twenty three kids that are out there and so you know now all of a sudden? You're going to be hypocritical on that. Yeah and why do you think that is I mean what's what's the mindset is it just I hate trump so bad. I'm willing to have somebody that's ready to ask raped me absolutely it is You know in a good way to hate a man like trump that. I'm willing to take an aspirated from a Muslim. I mean I guess it depends on how you view ass raping. You know. Maybe maybe maybe you're in a thing you've had a lot of experience with. I'm just saying that's what's going to happen to turn Natalie Lucid. Ed Turned Natalie loose in Yemen. I'm ass raping everyone who the raping of your Buzney Internat- right. We all won the lottery. C- yeah to me unquestionably it. It's just the fact that they they are blinded by their their hatred for this guy There isn't an action that he could take that. There isn't going to be a huge resistance to on on their due at the end of the day. What did he do? What did trump do? I mean he he beat their guy. That's what happened. And that's why they're pissed is that is is that they they lost power they had eight years of of what they thought was kind of the the coming the second coming of Christ and they've got the first black. Yeah you know so to me. That's all it is is it. It doesn't matter what he does for me if I was him I'd start implementing implementing some of their processes. And see what happens. You know like whatever they think is a good idea like try it and then watch them fight it. You know I mean you use it against them To me I I do find it laughable that that he has such an innate ability to to spin up such a large group of people that fast you know what with with a tweet or with a speech or with one action or or whatever for them to lose their mind me I think half of it is his personality as he is a little bit of a spastic prick and in some ways And not the most professional doesn't carry himself probably the the most ideal and and STOIC way that I would I would wanNA president too but I think that The other half of it is is he has an ability to to just plan like a fiddle on and they spend so much time being pissed off emotional about things that they can't really even get anything done. I think it's beautiful. Like trump can sit on the toilet at three thirty in the White House. You know butt naked. All you see is the Tan Line of his SPEEDO. His is you know the rest is orange and he just tweets out in control the a new cycle for six hours. Yeah that's one hundred percent accurate. And that's why they're gonNA lose in two thousand twenty and they're gonNA keep on that hamster wheel of ridiculousness because they there's just nothing. There's nothing about it that they're going about it the right way breaking news. Donald Trump announces. That breathing is good for you. Allison everybody's like stop breathing. How I'll tell you piss you off or is it like just I don't I don't pay much attention into it? Honestly pissed off. I don't watch a whole lot of news anymore. I used to watch a lot of it. I I've throttled that back about ninety eight percents To me you know I. I know what I'm focused on I focus on the things that I can control. which is is my my business? The nonprofit My personal life and and I think of everything as a micro decision. Is that what you know what I'm about to do or what I'm focusing on. Is that helping me get to where I WANNA be in life right or is it wasting my time. Yeah you know and if it's if it's the second option then why am I doing that. You know so It does not make me mad I find it laughable I I find it a little bit concerning Cathodic but now but ultimately you know I'm I'm worried about the things that I can do. I think there's a better way of putting what I 'cause I don't get mad at it I it's laughable. It's humorous amorous. I'm entertained by it in some ways but it's like good God I mean that's really pathetic that that's where you live now for sure it is I mean he's he's living rent-free between their ears. You know all day long you you know and To me that's I look at it as a weakness if I let anybody If I if I turn over the control of my emotions to anybody To that degree than than and I've completely lost you know talking about mental toughness because as a navy seal and I've heard guys who said that you think is fair assessment when guys come out and say what ninety percent mental all ten percent physical it is. It's absolutely that because you know especially I spent the last three and a half years as an instructor and in that time you know being a student going through the process spending years as an operator and then kind of going on the other side of the curtain and saying that the machine that is Navy seal training in and watching guys that came in. Were you know Division One. All American caliber athletes that you know had never really been pushed that not been held accountable. Oh you know. They'd been coddled their quarterback that was really good and and so the rules didn't apply to them physically they were so gifted or the workouts weren't really much of a challenge between between the the mental pressure that the instructor staff using both what they do in conjunction with the elements cold water cold water and sand and And Mind Games is all of those things combined These guys in a position that they're that they're they're not used to being in In while some of made it I saw a lot of them just they cracked they completely folded like a lawn chair. Just didn't have what it took. Yeah you know and as an instructor I mean you know you always kind of think in the back of your mind like do I think this guy is GonNa make it or not. If you're paying attention to you know some of the guys you do kind of follow a little more or whatever and and usually just kind of stopped trying to predict it. Because they'll always surprise you but If if I had to kind of reduce it to one commonality is that you know an average or maybe just a little above average athlete super competitive that probably got his ass handed to him a number of times growing up whether it was in sports as family the community lived in You know whatever is lot in life and it's that kind on a common man with an uncommon will to to succeed you know just super competitive knowing what you know now. Having through as an instructor doing what you did as an instructor and pull that curtain certain back if you knew what you knew now how much easier would it have been when you were going through. I don't think it'd be much easier. And the reason I say that is is not that it was easy. I it's just the process is what it is. You know an and even knowing exactly why it's happening or how long it's GonNa take it's kind of like no when you're gonNA get kicked in the nuts and saying we'll do you think it'll hurt any less. Well no it's not you know still mart- people man. y'All got the best analogy. It's still going to suck you know so the only only you know potential may be mental. Element is that okay. I know why we're doing this. I know at some point. It's GONNA end. I know the purpose behind it. You know maybe it would help you rationalize it a little bit in terms of dealing with it but ultimately it you've gotta be comfortable at being uncomfortable for long periods of time And you have have to be the type of person that no matter. How bad things get like? You always realized that it can always get worse but you also always realize that at some point it's going to hand even if I'm dead. Well at least it's over then you know get rest and you have to look at it that way like you just have to say to yourself. Hey Look I don't care how bad it gets. I'm not giving up. You know no matter what I was just I was thinking about you and we talk about Clinton Emerson and I was thinking about all you guys that have built relationship with over the last while while I was on in Washington state on the coast it was rainy. It was cold. Cold Sucks for me. I just I'm a WIMP when it comes to it and I was thinking about you guys because we're right there on the ocean. It's like you guys go out there and get in it swim for miles and miles and try to kill each other. -An T- to me. That's unquestionably the most miserable aspect active. That is if you've like in the middle of winter even here where it's not as cold as other parts but you know the tiles cold you turn the shower on IT I. It's it's ice cold you know. Imagine how somebody else being in charge of you getting in that and standing in there until they let you get out you know I mean it's it's essentially torture and in that cold water is is a really really good equalizer you know it will take the PISS and vinegar out of everybody. I don't care how big and bad and tough you are much of a Phys Ed Donahue on us you are Laying in ice cold water with sand in every orifice and covering your entire body between your clothes and your skin An and having into lay there and move around and get up and be at the mercy of of Sadistic Group of Kadre that have been to war and have been through that same process that it's their job to ensure that if you do make it through it's because you're the right guy for the job that's a bad combination if you like being comfortable so I like being comfortable. Yeah I'm a fan fan of it. What about you? Map Plume Shift showed up right in the middle of everything. Boom there's Matt is hanging out as what is it. We literally run a pub over here. It's studio twenty two. You just never know who's GonNa show up and get your sexy look at Yale. Aw handsome people when you slow way to own it W- Jack car was he when he was he and when you were in yeah we know him on your rid We need to win Pitney. Absolute Pussy that Guy Jackson Guy I didn't know him really well. We didn't work together. He threw buds One or two classes ahead of me. I think And then he was on the same us on the West Coast at the same time I was so we would run into each other. We never worked together but You know I know a lot of people that work with them and and You know phenomenal reputation Just a damn damn good Guy Ryder to love his books. He's been in here. He sat down with us and hung out He's a great really good too. Yeah Yeah. That's fantastic no. I'm always scared to approach him. Sometimes you just know you can kiss the money you guys the little bit like you quickly. He likes having his beard grabbed hundred percent. YEAH LIVING UP IN PARK CITY UTAH. If anybody's looking for him the so Nadler Weird thing that anytime guests come in and she did it with you earlier she always wants to know. Where do you live have well in an Xyz physically what your address the next thing is people? Tell her and next thing you know. She's looking at it on satellite and I'm like what is wrong with you. Why do you do that that too? And you have that face everybody just give you stuff. Oh I'm a reporter getting getting the story what you want to get the scoop. Goup like nowhere to show up when they hear about the Lazy Stalker and if they give me their address it makes it a lot easier. I live under the bridge On on Lancaster in Fort Worth you know what they're doing it you know what I was having this conversation last night. You know what I think. They're doing everybody keeps talking about the worrying about Texas going blue right in fort worth tarrant. County voted blue for the first time. The last senatorial election with Ted Cruz and bed organ voted blitz. First Time in history. What's going on it's the same thing? Candice Yun I've talked about about what they did in Portland right voter fraud stuff brought in all the homeless people in with fifty six days under your belt. You could vote Portland. Oregon changed that. But it's still problematic. Yeah I think what's going on is they're bringing up these homeless people from places like Austin and I'm like we'll give you this this this and this but you gotTa vote and you got to vote a certain way you think that's a fair analysis on that Kansas. It's not outlandish. We have was mentioning Lancaster over in Fort Worth Fort Worth and you get off exit set off thirty five west going to that tent city under those bridges just grown and grown and grown. I'm incident camp at this point. And that's Fort Worth Texas USA. Not Be that why you'd see a few folks under there and just kind of hanging out that's just the parking see there's a whole nother wooded sexual there's a ton it's just grown and grown. That's in that last night. It just Kinda hit me. There was a strange correlation between cities that are plagued by that being democratic. Yeah you know so I don't I don't think it's just a voting thing. I think it's a it's a manifestation of their policies. Also I mean look could most cities in California. You know there. I mean they have their own tent communities. You know people shouldn't in the street and whatever and and to me the thing that boggles my mind. I'm I'm not super political but is that I you know I try to think of a predominantly were overwhelmingly run democratic whatever ever state municipality account. What have you And and I don't know of a single one. That's that's you know blue across the board. That's not a Shithole. Yeah you know they all all are you know and they all have huge homeless problems huge drug problems huge. You know everything problems and when you look at states who are fiscally wired tight nice places. They're they're clean the other lowering crime. They have just a good overall feel of you know. Hey if I had a family this is where I would want to raise them. They're overwhelmingly only read Republican conservative. How how is it that people don't realize especially when you have Politicians like You Know Joe Biden as an example blur even Nancy Pelosi. That have spent longer than I've been alive in Washington. DC like the way that should be illegal in the. It's like you've been there for for forty years if you haven't figured out how to fix it like you were there when the problems were created and now we're supposed to trust you guys to two problems that you've been there for the last thirty years while they were being made. Why didn't you fix them while they were being so? That's my my campaign. Say Word I can say it is the Anti Sarah Gonzales. Speaking of Anti. Come here to see what she wanted. And I'm telling people just come into the pub. I want to get her take on on something right. Quick come over here to the microphone between US look at it. They just wander in Sarah Gonzales. The host of the news what I matters. And also Sara Gonzalez unfiltered on. Get on there and zoo. I resident Mexican. Look at her. Keep beautiful candies. I don't know where she's from but we don't know we don't even want to know we don't WanNa know but Sarah she owns it your take on this staying of of just when you see on social media. 'cause you catch a lot you catch a lot of stuff like there was a guy who sent you a message of the day. said he wants to take your makeup off with a knife to your face. Yes he would like to scrape my makeup off with a knife you get some some horrid yet entertaining yes comments on social media. Yes Oh it was. Generally I omitted a kink way when you when you look at the start of this going on in America today just the absolute like it might who says well not political then he comes off with this fantastic political analysis of things. And it's just common and since you don't have to be political to have common sense right but I think it it actually skews your common sense if you identify as a certain. I'm this or that added that skews your your perspective going into right you know. And that's the biggest problem is like well. What is my team? Say you're taking your team. That's exactly right and I say AH wholeheartedly agree with you because at the end of the day. Donald trump doesn't walk on water. He's not the Messiah. I'm not going to defend him for everything if he does something wrong. I'M GONNA call him out. I'm I'm GONNA do it. I have my own convictions. I'm not going to believe that. That's one of the reside love doing stuff with Blaise Blaise Media and blaze media quote personalities. Because they're fair there's no the money and here's this stroking anybody else. Everybody if you have conscience than you do your taxes. I mean I've watched you call him out bump stocks. Whatever it was? I've watched gene. Donald Trump has done more to harm the second amendment than any president that I can remember right so I mean just info if you WanNa take infringing upon those rights. He's infringed the bump stockdale. There's other issues that are there like I say arm everybody give them A. I mean if you can whatever you can hold it and pass the test and you're not you know former navy seal you'll Magan Navy to start with a machete. Try that that even need a gun got the dogs. Okay don't forget go to track DOT COM and also mic drop podcasts. But what's your take I mean does it Piss you off when you read the stuff that antics the things that are said or does it just entertaining to you. It's it's entertaining to me in a way but at the same time it like. I'm not personally offended. I'm sad that we're at a place in society where that's just things things that people do right and it's it's just okay. It's considered okay. And not only that if you or I are to answer back and somehow how you know defend ourselves or stand up for ourselves. Everyone's like Whoa hold on a second. You have a blue checkmark. You're not allowed to say anything back. Then I'm like I I don't care if you say something to me I'm GonNa come back ten times as hard you know why because people need to understand. You can't just treat people like that just because you're on the Internet like it's just this weird Sickness that we have because of social media I think and so I mean yeah I laugh at it. It doesn't affect my day. I don't lose any sleep at night but at the same time. I'm Kinda like in the pit of my stomach like little. This is a gross place for society to be right now. Do you think has ever been any different or it's it just brought to the surface and we have more of a platform to put the voice out there. I I actually don't I you. The only may disagree with me. I don't think I think social media has created a culture that people think that that is okay especially the younger generation. Because I look at this and I'm like I could never imagine saying these things to people whether online or offline I mean and because I wasn't raised that way and if you're talking to a complete stranger street you have no idea who they are never met them before don't know their history don't know their background nothing to go off of To me that that is the key. There's two things at play here as the politically correct we've hamstrung and castrated parents and schools is to as it relates to raising kids a certain way and at least holding them accountable but then on the on the broader social media standpoint to your question as it is at worst. I for sure it's worse because there's never been a time in human history where you could get away with doing that and not getting punched in the mouth for doing it now you can. You can do do it completely anonymously for you know the entire world to see and nobody's holding you accountable for it that that's never been possible before so because of that You have a bunch of keyboard warriors that think they're invincible. You know and and most of them just need the shit slapped out of them. Yeah I love the trolls. Come at me. I had a situation last week where this guy say. Well when I see you personally. Use a little fist emoji or as little muscle emoji. I'll see you personally. I swear to God yes not intimidating me but I'll tell you what my schedule is very public at Chad Dot Com. If you WANNA come to a show come on. I'm not giving you comp tickets to come getting fight with me you gotta buy the tickets. And I'm still not gonNA fight you. I'm just is GONNA throw party. Fouls Stephen May I'll go. Let the marine clean it up but if you want to see Sarah without makeup on her instagram story smoke show Oh she's high. He's a knife I was. I was looking at your instagram the other night when you were posting talking about the debates and stuff and last week and and the I think she's a smoke show man. I called her on the phone and I was like hey. Is your husband going to be jealous that my husband is not a Gel. He is so not jealous. Same at Natalie's husband. Yeah Joseph so not a I mean pick the right day. My husband might be like taker Lawrence as long as is a mark that in my calendar here I. I don't think about stuff like that. 'cause I'm out of jealous person so I don't I don't you know I tend to say things a lot of times so you get around people and I'm like oh I don't understand that mindset at all but I'll call I'll call you guys on the phone. My wife would be like who he talked to Sarah vitual. She's never done. She'd never done that. Oh God bless her. I don't understand any of it but no it is like people just need to be punched in the face. You know I do the bit about upbeat. Not Ass on in my life shows even got a song called beat that s and these days people are key. Yeah beat Dennis. I think you know the one the thing that I can tell you. The parallels in dog training and child rearing are are incredibly similar Especially early on both Solis. They're both Solis. They both will ruin your life no expensive this shit on everything you know. It's it's just keeping things really black and white but but just like You know you. You can't just detract or withdraw reward or incentive to hold somebody accountable. You can't go the other way either. There are so many just like most things in life. It's about balance like no. I don't advocate abusing you know or or you know being unfair to them or or being unreasonable and and being violent towards them. On the same token there are certain instances and certain occasions and certain dogs where they need to be held accountable and there has to be a consequence silence because the consequence ultimately is what is going to dictate to that dog that child the employees a coach. His athletes a student with their teacher. What have you You know what what the incentive or or lack of incentive is is therefore so if they do the right thing. They're rewarded for it if they do the wrong thing that you know. There's there's a correction punishment management some sort of consequence and it doesn't have to be violent But but it has to be enough to get the point across and just like with people you know some dogs require way more incentive to to stop doing something than others you know and so I think we've lost our way both with pets and with with kids that way as you know people people expect there to be absolutely no consequences whatsoever other than you're just not going to be rewarded or paid for something and that's why I think we live in such an entitle title Entitlement society with kids with dogs. I I've been in the dog industry for a couple of decades. Now and and it's it's it's the worst now that it's ever been you know in terms of people not being able to control their dogs and not having any idea why it's not working in that that is it when you're talking about presence earlier you've got to have a certain presence and you've gotta you've got to figure out a way to communicate to the dog and this is again kids kids as well as that it's their actions that dictate the consequences. This soon as they understand that that's that's when they will hold themselves accountable and even dogs will do it so if dogs can do it. Kids can absolutely do it. It's just we as as the the older the parents the administrator's whatever are doing a really piss poor job at communicating to who were supposed to be communicating to what what the consequences are for those actions. I got three dogs. I got five kids and let me tell you what I'm I started with them and I go get your crate. They didn't want to do it but now actually go get your crate. The kids run right. They jump right in and it's just it you know. Oh even the twenty year old pops right in some peanut M's in their income round the cage. They WANNA be. They want to be there. These kids down on the border. That's what they've been missing in their life they want to be in the cages What do you think about these people that are all over the airport with their dogs pissing shitting all over the terminal? Stir that pot blamed me. Not Mike I want his analysis if he wants to crawl into the fray. Because I know you idiots out there with your Lhasa Apso Yeah that you've got to get on a plane with and I saw the other day with a with a Maltese dog. Kept taking it to the bathroom. Chad do you remember the Pug that we saw at the airport they were literally had to pull him on a walk couple. Mike and I'm GonNa get to you in a minute might take your day. There was this older couple. We were coming back out of Florida. Walk into the airport and dog that does not want to use its feet. And how these these dogs just this pug was just fat and use the size of English bulldog but it wasn't as a pub and this guy is dragging this dog through the airport literally dragged on a leash and I'm like dog eats a lot. This whole Goggin. I can hear right. Why are you saying your dog is fat? Your dog is fat. Your dog is suffering bring it wants to die from living with you and your Old Lady seriously and then the old lady has picked this dog up. I thought she's GonNa have a heart attack. It carry it through the security because the dog was like F. You I'm not going through. They drug it downstairs micro nothing. That's a pet peeve of mine these people who you have these quote unquote therapy dogs or whatever. Look I've been around dogs. I mean I've been around. I mean I've had. We've had guests the dog sitting over there and we visited with the dog. Just centers with somebody gets a little tense and they come over there and these are these are true Gosden. Pts whatever it may be. What's your thoughts on this whole heart? So I'm going to walk thing. I'm going to warn you that it's It's long winded. I WANNA everywhere and it's Probably even a little contradictory trajectory and may surprise you. So first and foremost yes. I agree it drives me bat shit crazy especially in the industry that I'm in to see people with dogs that that Clearly are not service. Animals they're not certified or trained to a certain standard whatsoever And they ruin it for the people who legitimately have those. Those dogs need. Those dogs rely on those dogs for their day to day You know in the tough part with that is that there's not a regulating regulating Regulation or a governing body that certifies dogs for that purpose and says yes mama's dominance you have the card and you you can take your dog everywhere. There's nobody does that. There's a number of organizations that say that they do that and have a checklist that you can just go there and and and say yes my dog it does all of these things and pay whatever it is sixty bucks and they send you an ID card. And that's the gist of it. And and to me. That is a problem Where where I can see both sides to a certain extent is that You know at the end of the day. I A lot of times view things as all or nothing is that you know if if you as an an AH airport a TSA as an entity a restaurant whatever is that you either allow people to bring their dogs in or you. Don't you know. And and the the issue hugh I have with trying to create a governing body in a certain certification standard is no different than guns are the FDA or anything else that who who is in charge of that politics takes will creep into that people will start doing their friends. Friends favors and not certifying rely. I know that guy. I'm sure the dog's fine and you're and you'RE GONNA end up with the with the same problem is there's GonNa be dogs eggs that shouldn't be there that that are in You know politics gets brought in and so to me. There's a certain element of you know if it's a free country and you're gonNA allow dogs to come in then you'll let everybody bring their dogs. I don't actually really like the special treatment stuff You know my take is to a certain extent is that if you If your life depends on being able to travel with an animal may be out of drive. I don't know That's just how how I view it is you know I i. I don't think take the plane I. I can't think of a way to implement that. Well because again people are going to take advantage of it and screw it up for everybody else. I I take dogs with me most places when I travel and I usually drive for that reason. I don't I don't like going through airports and dealing with all the stupidity of having a dog that will bite somebody that it has a vest on says do not pet and somebody comes running up and pets them anyway. that shit drives me crazy and so I typically avoided and so you know that answer may seem a little bit all over the place because my viewpoint is a little bit all over the place that'll sense that makes total sense and I agree because I have people who think they know the rules and there's really got a lot of rules down and I have friends who are like. Have you WANNA get certification. No no no. I don't first of all I don't need that and I look at it and I think think we'll do this. They have a vest on and has a clear pouch. And you could see the paperwork in there. Now that's official and I'm like but is it now meeting fake anything you played it is you can say yes. No girls say I I must start a new business certifies all kinds of stuff and I know people who Steve's pet dog training way way beyond what you just get on the Internet and do all this stuff but I'm the same people ask me all the time we got all these cities all over for American every time people go. Where's Willy? Well I don't WanNa put an eighty pound shepard on an airplane when I don't why would I bring my dumb I. It's it's a huge pain in the ask a big liability. Most people are not respectful and have zero common sense as it relates to the dog. Like I don't I don't WanNa put my dogs in that position. The only time I fly with the dogs when I absolutely have to and that is very rare. You know Like if I'm delivering a dog or somebody says hey we want you and a dog to appear and do X. I. Buffer that it into that you're gonNA you're GonNa pay me to drive the dog and the two days travel or or whatever because I'm not flying with them And it's not that I have necessarily in opposition to putting him in checked baggage bigagenda. Create a lot of people think that's cruel. The dog doesn't know any different He's in a crate. You know you. You can't rationalize that. He's a second class. Citizen doesn't care He's he's wearing a coat. It's climate control. Anyway you know so. It's just yeah I I I don't like doing it's a it's a mess and it's a pain on the ass and I wish less people did it but you know again. There's a lot of things that I wish people didn't do. It doesn't mean I think it should be illegal. You know I just ignore it. You know but let's put that on the T. shirt. There's a lot of things I wish people didn't do right there. Hey Support Mike Ritalin by going to track all DOT COM Listen to the MIC. Drop podcast got a million things going on. What are all the best ways to find it because you've got the foundation as well so the word dog foundation which is worried foundation dot? Org Is a nonprofit. I started back in twenty ten. Now we've taken almost two hundred dogs at this point and these are all dogs that would have been euthanized. Had we not taken them and every one of them are dogs that were either police dogs. They were military dogs whether it's regular military Special Operations Main Customs Border Patrol. Just just about any working entity in the federal government at the highest level or at the lowest That has dogs working capacity the past. We've taken dogs from at this point just about And all these dogs we get them for reason. We have a lot of people that You know apply and would love to take one of them and on some of them we can do that with most of them. We can't We do try to implement rehabilitation tactics and and get the dogs unwound into a point where they can either be. 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Check my gives books as well fantastic stuff and in this. Because we've mentioned and I say this in a crude way I mean you got warriors at Comeback With P. T. S. and all of a sudden these animals are coming back to many times. You GotTa Get deprogrammed that computer in some ways absolutely the nice thing is is that unlike people. They don't have the ability to rationalize why they're feeling what they're feeling. It's it's really a very simple l.. A. Plus B. Equals C. Formula If you just you know and this is for anybody with a pet dog just always remember that. You can't explain anything to a dog. And they they don't think in a language right so everything for them is is a plus. B We'll see her their mind works more like a calculator so It's really just about taking a certain stimulus emulate that that affects them negatively and rewriting all of the negative association with Positive Association and ultimately getting them to where now they make a positive association association with something that was that was bothering them before. So it's it's a lot more black and white an easier to kind of evaluate and rehabilitate than it is with people But the the principles are all the exact same. Remember that when. You're talking to your Dobermans. Sarah number that Linda how you do she okay. She is very well trained so far. She's is only like five months. It's good do you like my wife. Having a damn conversation with the dog that will far side cartoons. Like what what they hear is Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. That's all they hear so anyway we got to get out of here. Check out my grill. 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7: Five Things You Should Know About Haters

Straight Up with Trent Shelton

32:54 min | 8 months ago

7: Five Things You Should Know About Haters

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Seventeen ninety nine hundred January sale only sleep number store our sleepnumber dot com slash cadence. It would've rehab is across the world. New Listeners. Woke him to destroy the podcast. I'm your host Trent Shelton and we are episode seven and offer some episodes. I'd be like episode. Oh Five Episode six my bad charges to my mind not my heart. It's a day we go get right into it. I've seen this hold so many the people back you know. It's probably the number one question that I get are one a number of questions that I get is. How do you deal with haters? And I know that word is so overused right right. Everybody has haters. Always say you gotTa make sure you're doing beheaded on. I like some people be having imaginary haters. I'm like you don't have that many haters and maybe you do so today I wanna change your mindset forever when it comes to hate us was across the world welcome to two straight up with Trent Shelton throughout my career from the NFL to sold out stages. Speaking of thousands. I built up tool kit to breakthrough negative mindsets. Let go what's holding you back history. Having your life in every show is going to be jam packed with tips tricks and tools to put four. I'm always going to be real. What you and give one hundred the percents truth even when it's GonNa Appear Heart? This is me shrink. Shelter Straight up. I'll just start off right now with it. Haters are people who admire what you do they just got a different way of showing it and I am a break that down over the next thirty forty five minutes with you but I will say this also. Everybody isn't hate known. You just lost some people it's like. Oh next podcast but I have to be like transparent which because some people are telling you the truth. It isn't hating. If someone is telling you the truth so you can't let your insecurities make you think that someone is always. Hey No you expecially when it's someone that you know is really for you. Okay but if you're trying to go through this life without having haters if you're trying to become greatness and do legendary things without out having haters. It's not going to happen. You think about anybody that's making the world where spectre greatness they got haters. I made a shirt for Rehab time years years ago because I realize this they even hated Jesus so if they hate it Jesus you best believe people are going to hate on you. There's a powerful quote. I think it's by style. The quote says the only way to avoid criticism. The only way to avoid haters for this podcast sake is to say nothing. Do nothing be nothing understand. That hate is a part of the process but so many people are allowing the hate to stop their process. They're allowing the hate to grow and it's magnified these days. We'll live on social media so you got people hate knowing that you don't even know. So what I I WANNA do today. Hopefully by the end of this podcast is that you have an understanding because when you have understanding of why something is happening or why people are doing doing certain things or why people are giving you hate you. Don't take it personal like nobody's immune to it. I went through my period. I still get it every single day. People hate on me every a single day but I hardly see it because I don't pay attention to it. Okay so I wanNA talk about five things. I could talk about forty-five things why people hate you. Why people hate on you? Why if you have haters but I'm GONNA keep it to five things today because I feel like if you understand these five things it would change your mindset forever? Would it comes to Haters Aka people that are I really admire you at the end of the day. Okay so number one. Write these things down number. One haters aren't happy. They're not happy with their life in my thirty five years on this earth. I've never met a hater. That's doing better than me. Unless they were threatened by me. You will never meet a hater. That is doing better than you so think about that. You worried about somebody who ain't doing as good as you learned about somebody. That's not happy. The ironic thing about out pain is that most people think the way to heal their pain is by giving other people paint so they want you to join their misery if they hate their own. Oh life understand if they hate their own life how could they ever happy for yours. Think about that. If they hate their life you cannot I give what you don't have to remember years ago. Probably like twenty eleven. I remember this guy in like like I said I get hate all the time. It's very minimal Komo now but I when I first started. I would see a lot because I was insecure. Honestly I will let those things affect me spoken word. Call Pick me apart. Now talk about that at the end of this pockets and listen to it on Youtube because it change your mindset forever when it comes to haters come the people don't like your opinions etc but I remember this guy and I've told this story multiple. What time on stage I remember this guy who he sent me a common in like? He caught my attention in the comment was something like Trent. I can't stand you like I hope that you die. You suck all these things like Dang who is this do like did I do something to him in high school like. Even though it wasn't a personal Willie Willie people but I was like. Did I date his girlfriend. And what did I do this. Who is this guy is so it caught my attention so I wrote back and let let me back up a little bit before people would send me hate? I would send hate right back. And that's the worst thing that you can do is fight hate with hate because if you're giving a hated your attention they want if I hate her is taken is taking you from focus on what matters is taking you from focus on your business is taking you for focus on your family taking your time. They would the best thing that you can do for. Hater is to respond to them. And that's what I was doing so I'm good with words like I'm a I'm going to say all these things back back we can play ping pong back and forth until you give up but I was insecure. I didn't realize the value of time I didn't realize how much thrill I was given a person by giving them my attention right. Your attention is one of the greatest gift you can give someone. So why would you give a hate of your attention. Even when people say I'm doing it for haters. Why why do it for someone who don't like you do for your supporters? Do it for yourself. Don't do it for them. I understand the mindset behind it but when oh you realize that when you do it for yourself by default you prove your haters wrong. I don't do it for the critics. Don't give them that pleasure that you're doing you want it for them. Do it for yourself so back to the story so at this time at this point in my life I changed my mindset when it came to people not liking me when it came to hate us. 'cause I've got a lot like I got millions of followers. I wouldn't say overnight but it was a span of two years of my pages. Blew up in. It was people who love me. People didn't like it was just crazy so I started to realize like saying like you can't fight fire with fire in so when this guy sent me this message my first reaction was like come up onto lettuce. Do Talk to me like this right. My pride kicked him but wait. Don't give him that pleasure so what I did. I responded back which I just. I love you Bro. I'm praying for you. He I guess I know I caught him by surprise he responded back was like Nah. I don't think you get it like I do not like you you I hate you. I hope that you die like you need to be removed from the face of this earth. I'm like Gosh. This dude is serious like sorrow back. Hey Brian Prayer for you he will. I don't like you wrote back. I love you Bro. We like this went on for like a while and finally he wrote back and he said the trend have to be real with you. I'm not happy with my life and I look online and I see you in you know seeming like you're happy and you have everything together. It just made me despise you but then I realized like it's not you it's me and so what really doing is right now reaching out for help and I knew this was the way to get your attention so and I was like well. you accomplish that Bro. I was like who are you in to make a long story. Short our responded back. That guy is still a rehab to this day. So you have to understand like when people are hated on you especially when they don't know you and you gave them no reason to hate them when you like. You did nothing to that person a lot of times. They're hurt and we know this saying hurt. People hurt people in this takes. matric level is not gonNA happen overnight it but one of the greatest things that you can do when someone gives you hate is give them love okay so realize number one they are not happy. Happy haters aren't happy so now you can stop taking it personal. It's not about you. It's not that you're doing great. Things is not that you have a happy be. Marriage is not that you're being a great mom. Great father is not that. You're getting the promotion. It's not about what you have. It's about what they don't have okay. So number number one is not happy number two a hater. What's your life the Meyer you as I said before the definition for haters that they admire are which you do they just have a different way of showing it with some of that pride and ego? They're not going to be like man. I admire what you do. Can you help me their pride and ego would allow them to do that so instead of speaking how they really feel they give hate to you when someone wants what you have listened to me closely when someone wants what you have but can't get what you have that's one starts a hate them. What you have with someone wants what you advocate? Get what you have. They start to hate them. What you have? And it's crazy to me because people should be motivated by you and sometimes it's the closest it's the people closest to you the most. That's a whole another podcast and we'll spend a whole our own but you shouldn't be jealous because somebody has something that you don't have. You should be inspired so when I see someone that is at a place that I want to be or see someone. That has what I don't have. I'm motivated. I'm not trying to bring that person down. I'm trying to get around that person so I can learn so I can grow and that's because I'm going to better space. Yes I understand that. Hey not another person only means that I'm not working on my own life bringing someone down is not gonNa bring me up and so you have to understand in this people. Do not pay attention to the things that they hate and this is what I wanNA flip it for you remember. I told you the begins. PODCAST that we're not gonNA use the word haters no more because is there not haters. Because you don't pay attention to the things that you hate. I'll prove it to you. Think about something that you really hate. It could be a food it could be a TV show like if you see a TV show that you don't even like do you. Stop in pay attention to that. TV Show you'd be like Oh. Let me see what this shows about today. I really don't like it but I'm just going to see what it's about no you don't you skip. Get right over it or somebody put some food in front of you that you do not like. They're not gonNA pay any attention because you don't pay attention to the things that you hate so if someone is giving giving you attention they don't hate you. What they really do is marry you? If someone's following you on every social media site they don't hate you they admire are you. If someone knows every detail about your life knows every move that you make. They don't hate you. They admire you. That's not a hater. What that is? This is confused supporter. They love they don't even know it yet or they can't admit it so from this day four. I don't want you to if somebody's paying attention if somebody's making up and this is the crazy the thing about it like people will make up your block them and people will make up a fake profile just to follow you again. That's not a person that that hates you as the great poet. Drake's this hate is just jealousy love at the same time so someone is giving you that type of tension there really. You are confused supporters. So you shouldn't take it personal. They won't show like they want to do what you do. They WANNA be happy. Okay so stop taking things so personal from people people who really admire you. They just have a different way of showing it. Hey what's up y'all trench down here. Listen put Johnson fashion game all my listeners. Listen up in my mental because you can get your as a pair of these rockies are if you don't know the name you bought to know now rotties as quickly grown to a most love gotta have them brand and it's no surprise. They got nearly a thousand perfect reviews online in this world of social social media. Everybody hates on everything that means something. Maria got hers unless she never takes them off and I don't blame her. She looked flying freshman different designs. 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That might be right next to you that you really think that you're back but they don't and I don't WanNa just give another like break into another podcast right now but I I will say this like. I said we'll spend a good chuckle. Time understanding like what loyalty and what real friends are. Were real people in your life. Should be doing and giving you rockin. Tell you right now if someone doesn't applaud when you win if someone doesn't short for you like you show it for them if you do great things and you never hear nothing from them then. They're probably viewing. US competition and some of US most of us. You Got People competing with you and you wouldn't even know it in their mind. You're winning equals. They're losing in vibes. Do not lie. Energy doesn't lie so so I would pay attention to the vibes that people give you. Were you around certain people because some people are mad at you for just bettering your life. Some people have made it in their mind that they're losing because you're a winning and so as soon as people put you in the competition room like healthy competition. I'm not saying you got some friends and competing even with each other and it's a healthy competition trying to push each other to be better. I'm talking about healthy competition with somebody puts you in in that place. They'll start to handle you and they'll start. It's a hidden you so much they'll start to envy you and you did nothing wrong except better your life number four some will hate on you because they wanNA fill important some people get their high they get their high off of making other people feel though they get their joy off of taking a smile on your face they get hooked when they can bring frustration to your life so stop making haters people that don't want to see you win more important accordin than what they should be because some people live for that some people are living for the response some people are living for your attention and that's why they'll say anything or do anything to get it you gotta stay focused because the be straight with you if you give people your attention if you always you know worrying about what people saying about don't you if you're always checking on you know with this. I don't even scroll I used to do that. I used to do that. I used to scroll my comments and I wanted to please everyone but I'll tell you right now the the first two being unhappiest trying to please everyone else. The first step to being unhappy is thinking that you're going to be liked by everybody because you're not and I would spend time doing that and then I realized that's the worst. I think I can do is spend time in waste my time trying to find people were hey no me and that means you ain't focused because when you understand the value up time you're not going to give you time away to something that doesn't matter you're not gonNa give away to things that don't help your life. You gotTA stop making people. That shouldn't be important important. Be Important you gotTa Stop Making People feel special that special number five. This is obvious. They're jealous period. People hate on you. Because they're jealous people hit on your relationship because maybe they don't have one or maybe they're they're in unhappy relationship people your success because maybe their thing isn't taken off and a lot of times it's the people I would say close to you because I don't want you start looking people close to you in a whole different way but even your city you know biblically like Jesus wasn't even respected in his hometown. The last place most times that will support you is like your area code right the proximity around you the closest you you know people around you people who went to high school with old friends a lot of times. You don't get their support because as I said before they're in competition with you and it hearts it hurts because when you come from a place they came from right maybe the circumstances were different. Maybe the circumstances whether saying but if you have the same circumstances take even a better chance that you're gonNA receive hate from somebody that you know whether you know him. Well are you just Kinda new but when you come from the same place as you elevate your life and they still at the same place. Because they've been using excuses because they put in the work that you put in because they don't realize that they got the same twenty four hours as you. That's when it starts to hate on what you do because again there thinking that your success means their failure. They what you're doing by elevating your life. What you're doing by accomplishment accomplishment? What you're doing by moving forward what you're doing by becoming the greatest you? You're taking excuses from their life because all the excuses that they will give. Oh Oh it's because of my city. Oh it's because of this is because of that you take away excuses because you went and did something with your life while they're while they're air at the same place as you grow as you become more popular as you achieve. This will start to happen. Some people will hate you our hate on you just because of the way other people love you. That's it. They have no personal reason to hate you at all. They have no reason hall hall to hate. You did nothing to them. But when they see other people loving you their insecurities will make them hate you. How many of us on this? I want to say. Raise your hand but just raise your hand and spirit. How many of us? Because if you say you never been ahead of euro-lire okay we've all. I've been a hater at some point in our life. I was a hater especially when I got cut from Phil like I was the biggest moment that probably like six months. You give me a six months hater card in six months. Megan cut when I was going through my rock bottom our hardest time in my life. I was a hater for all these reasons like I would hate on. TV payment. Nate that good right. Well the greatest quarterbacks ever but that was me because I was miserable. Because I wasn't happy I was blaming other other people for the reasons of why I'm not somewhere in my life. I wasn't taking any accountability. I was deflecting right. I was blaming I was pointing the finger finger instead of accepting responsibility in accountability. In my life in a lot of us we begin to space as as a hater because Someone is doing something that we WANNA do right. We hate them celebrities that we don't know we'll hate on people that we don't know because we're hurt because we're we're in pain because we see those people getting so much love it. We feel entitled to that love. You GotTa Stop Filling in title first and foremost because the world. Oh the thing that will you realize that one of the first steps to really change your life bettering your life. The world owes you nothing. Even people like they're not entitled to help you. When will you realize that you can move forward? Your Life was so many times we feel so entitled. Oh that should be mine. I should have been the one. I'm better than them. I did better the things that should be me. And you live your whole life like that instead of becoming better what you do. Is you become bitter. You have that bitter spirit and if you no release that bitter spirit you'll be confused support for the rest of your life and that's where people are at so when you understand these five things that they're not happy that they want your life that they see competition that they wanNA feel important that they're jealous. Would you understand these things. You stopped taking it personal. You actually start to feel sorry for because you know that. The only reason that they're hating the only reason that they're confused supporter. The only reason that they're bitter is because their life isn't adding up to what what they want their life to be they live at BC monitored. I talked so much about blaming complain for the rest of their life and they live the rest of their life trying to tear other people down so stop taking any personal stop quitting your dreams. Stop quitting on your progression. Stop quitting on. Your growth stopped salads in your voice right stop salads in your greatness greatness to make other people feel comfortable because you're afraid what other people are gonNA say. Hey what up yours twenty twenty. You have goals of Guinness shape losing weight and that's great but I want to change your mindset right. I want to change that goal into a standard knows less about the number on a scale a more about the energy you create is less about how you looking more about how you feel about practicing self care. That's the journey that went on in neum helped me really change the habits in my life right really helped me be consistent assistant. It helped me understand why I was making certain decisions. It helped me understand why has certain type of relation with certain type of foods why I was not creating energy that I wanted to create a literally gamely solution to help me become the greatest Virgina myself and I realized you don't have to change it all in one day. Small steps make big progress. Sign up for your trout today at noon Dot com that's in 'em dot com slash straight up that's NEUM DOT com slash straight up. Sign up for your trout today. Let's get it. I used to be in that boat I used to be overly humbled. Like Hubbell is a great trait and I'm super humble. But I used to be overly humble because I didn't undefended anybody you know so I never talked about my compliments. I never talked about my successes because I didn't want to send anybody. I want to make people feel comfortable. I realized I was teaching myself not to appreciate my growth in. Actually that's hard to move on from because now you're not celebrating your life. You're not celebrating your growth. You're not celebrating. Your success in celebration is a big part of Progression Gos- a big part of progression. So if you're a person that was like like me you'll have to turn down nop own your life to make other people feel comfortable. You Ain't got turned down a KNOB when your greatness to make other people feel comfortable you gotta turn down the KNOB ON WANNA on your on your growth to make other people feel comfortable turn up because the people that will be inspired by. You will appreciate you for doing that. And just as easy it is easy you can focus on. Hey guess what you can focus on love this some that changed my mindset when it came to this because I realized at a point I was spending ninety percent of time. Folks folks. Don't hate because if you've never received hate much it sticks out like a sore thumb. You ever noticed that by you can get so much love but you will give all your attention to one in hater. You skip all nine people support you all ninety nine people were clapping for you all night. People were cheering you on and you'll see that one hater right. It's like you in a crowd crowd. you see everybody cheering. But you'll see the one person saying you suck. That's the person that you see if it's because you're not used to seeing that which is a great traded means. You're doing something right. If you had a million Lillian haters you might WanNa check your so. Maybe you're doing something that you shouldn't be doing like I said sometimes people are telling you the truth but you got to evaluate the source. And who's telling you these things but but I realized that just as easy. I was focused on hate. I focus on love so the quote that I want to tell you right now right this somewhere. Please don't let the one percent less than one percent of hate. Take your focus off the ninety nine percent of love. Don't let the ten percent of confused supporters take your focus off the ninety percent of real supporters. Because it's really unfair to the people who support you the people who love you for you to give your attention to people who don't and I'm gonNA tell. Oh you right now. Don't go block them. Don't do that because they need to. See your greatness as I said they follow you for reason if somebody's on your page if somebody is subscribe up to your life. Don't cancel their subscription. Let them keep subscribing to your greatness. They want to unsubscribe they can cancel it. If they want to stop senior greatness they they can press on follow straight up. Give them season tickets. I said all the time. Listen to this place about three years ago because I used to be the person that spent time. Black some people in all these things now if we're trying to tear someone down and it's something that's super negative. That's a different story. But if you say Trent you suck I don't like you I understand ain't now we're at comes from so I don't take it personal. I'm like you need to be on my page because I'm a convert you you go from a confused supported to. It's a real supportive real quick and it's it happens all the time on my page. It happens all the time in my life. I was skeptical of you. I didn't do this. I didn't like you. I didn't like what she was doing. I'd hate you but I realized I hated you for no reason. I realized because I was insecure my whole life once I got over myself. I realized that you were doing great things. Get these messages all all the time but I do is I give people front row seats season tickets to watch this greatness and I want you to do the same. Give them season tickets to watch. Your greatness gave him season tickets to watch progression game season tickets to watch your success because is obviously they want to be there. They didn't want to be there. Were press on follow. I hope that you really get a grasp that haters nothing buck and few supporters. And that you never. We're allow a person that's hate to stop you because don't you understand that they cannot stop you without your permission. Don't you realize that no matter how many people hate on you. They cannot stop you without your permission. People say train. Your podcast sucks. Guess what they can't stop me from. Keep making podcast Trent. I cannot stand your videos. They can't stop me from keep making videos coz trend. I don't like this about you. They can't stop me from keep doing that. What they don't like they only can stop you with your permission and once you really grasp that that they can't hold you back unless you allow them to hold you back you gonNA keep rising above? You will make your enemies your footstool Sousse. Hello preach you will make your enemies your footstool. The stones they throw at you build a platform with those stones greatness is often misunderstood. It's time for you to go make the world respect your greatness and understand that this is a part of it. It's time for you to get over yourself. Stop thinking that you're so great that nobody's everybody in the world is GonNa get over yourself with that in stop allowing haters to slow down on the process and we'll revisit this quote that I said at the beginning and we'll end with this the only way to avoid criticism in hate confused. Supporters Quarters is to say nothing. Do nothing are being that. I got say anything that every single episode it all starts you haters are people with Meyer which you do. Oh they just got a different way of showing it. These confused supporters will no longer stop your life if you wit me. What I want you to do is similar embarks on instagram? Let me know. I see a lot of sharing stories and I love it numbers. You see you see my instagram like instagram is. Feel what you guys sharing your takeaways. Sure these takeaways share this with somebody that you care about like for real because there's people in the world that will never meet the greatest you are them because a people who don't like them they'll never give their greatness to the world because they allow these confused supports Saleh's voice and so makes you sharing your stories and one thing that I notice is that I'll go look at some of you guys profiling only following me so make sure you press follow because I'm not personally follows to people people who look more important. y'All know y'all know the people that I be talking about that do that and I get like unproductive time so if you're positive and you support support me there's a great chance I'm GonNa follow you back so make sure you follow me and even with the stories that you share with the podcast like creative. I'm more it's a higher tendency Hennessy. For me to share people who who have video people creative with their words are duties cool things with stories. Those things capture my attention so Is WanNA show love love to those that show love to me and I hope this blessed your life i. Let's make the world respect our greatness. Let's live let's breathe. Let's SBA his rehab. Tom Let's get straight up straight up is hosted and recorded by me. Trench Trench Shelton episodes produced by Chelsea hawkish and mixed and edited by Andrew Weller. Cameron Berkman is executive producer straight up which production of a couple in. Hey what's up here. I wanted to inform you about my new coaching program. CIC Trent's inner circle so many hit me up about about diving deeper into the inspiration is good from the videos. Information is good but you WANNA know how to actually applause. You WanNa know the tactics. You want to know the steps. 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Surf & Turf Football Podcast Premiere Episode

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Surf & Turf Football Podcast Premiere Episode

"What's up guys. My name is stephen chow and i'm here with super bowl champion willie cologne. Hey this is the surf and turf podcast. It's gonna be a weekly n._f._l. Based show oh that's going to be interviewed heavy. We're going to bring you a lot of stories and uncovering a lot of good material that networks that are kind of in bed with the league aren't going to touch scared attached attached to be exact we got a lot of great guests lined up today. We have ryan clark of e._s._p._n. Superbowl champion ryan clark's it'd be you've seen them on get up. You seem on first take. He gives a lot of great insight from your days playing with them with the steelers. The steelers ravens rivalry. He his best friend sean taylor terrier a lot of good stuff coming up this interview weekly. We're also gonna be diving into a few topics that aren't necessarily as timely is tonight is packers bears. <hes> you know the line is <hes> <hes> three points for the bears. We're not gonna really going into that. We're and we're talking more about <hes> overall themes of the n._f._l. So a few themes emerged in the past few days <hes> you know yesterday yesterday. Zeke elliott was a big story big. He's been a he's been a headline throughout the off season from holding out and wanting to be the highest paid running back in the league with the two years remaining on his deal. Yesterday he got paid. <hes> ninety million dollar deal six year deal which was very long so he's pretty much going to be in dallas throughout his his prime willie. What are your thoughts as a former player having to deal with a guy who's coming off. Campaign is coming to report to practice. You know four four or five days before the first game i think for me is just health. You know what type of condition izzy and we know that he's been out you know trauma training mexico. Oh has he been really training can be very distracted in kabul. If you know from what i hear today very good training facilities in kabul i don't think so but i think running on a beach and and eating <hes> lobster and playing with you know playing volleyball gorgeous women that could be training to. I guess i don't know i don't know his up but i do know from office in line standpoint this team valid. They wanted division asher. They need him. They needed him back in. They don't need him back in clean them back in the building. I like zico elliott. I think the the one reading running headline with him was can you trust yoda understand that you know he was just in trouble for incident outside of thomson and sales security over yeah so jerry felt like his hand was push because they still had two years to two years left on a deal with zeke studied technically didn't have to pay him but i think jerry understood. If you have a happy seeking to build an offense alliance will do just pay allow collins a lot of money. I think he was fifty. Million thirty million five thirty five guaranteed <hes> they've invested a lot in this office online so to get zeke back in the building to compliment. That office line was huge. It just shows you the direction. Jerry wants to go in and i'm not i'm not against it. I'm just cautious because if you think about the rams right they pay todd gurley. I regret that oh big time. You know what i mean. I and i and i just i. I'm worried that jerry's gonna have buyer's remorse. Yeah and that's gonna set back back. That's going to set this this franchise back because now now they don't they only pay they paid zeke but now they took a risk on and risk that some people feel like he didn't deserve right so it's gonna be interesting. How it pans out. It's interesting how history is repeating itself because they had this problem with their version of the triplets tony romo brian and demarco murray you know coming off a rushing title. The question was who are you gonna pay. They chose to let their your star running back. At the time demarco murray go they had mixed success with that. They never fully recovered even though they had you know solid offensive line so i think jerry and steven jones have learned from their mistakes and they're bringing back zeke bringing them into the building. They know a special dak prescott in the last year of his rookie deal not sure what they're gonna do with him yet. You know he's kinda. Middle the road quarterback a guy you can win with. Maybe not because of <hes> so it'll be interesting to see how this kind of works out for them. I think with with their offensive line and their young talent really locking up for almost the next half decade with allen's jail jalen smith the <hes> all these guys <hes> it'll be interesting thing to see you know what they do with the correct position because if they do you know not signed they really have a loaded roster to maybe win with a rookie quarterback so we'll see kind of where they they go the franchise but they are kind of going all in for this year with zeke signing signing the building off the line. It's already. I mean you could push the narrative forward that they've built team around zeke yeah. The question is what happens a deck and to your point. It made a system where you can put a rookie guy in in and you can put the bumpers on them because they off. His alarm has running back. He's going to have a receiver in the mark cooper so if you know this is a big sign. This is like all right well. Maybe aby no my destinations or my time in dallas. Maybe limited yeah <hes>. It'll be a big year for them for sure <hes> so another story. That was pretty topical this week <hes> <hes> you know it's the last weekend before actual games <hes> huge trade <hes> to big trades actually geneva cla- just went to the seahawks put the bigger deal was laremy. Jeremy tunsil left tackle for the miami dolphins traded to the houston texans for two first round picks a second round pick and receiver kenny stills. They got back some very low level. Draft picks a fourth and a sixth and return <hes> willy question for you being a former n._f._l. Offensive lineman laremy tunsil is coming in to learn a completely new offense. He's going to be playing next to titus howard at left guard. Who's a rookie from alabama state scrappy scrappy happy guy but first round pick who has not played left guard before going into new orleans on monday night hostile territory <hes> how what is the learning curve gonna be for laremy tunsil in his development and you know having a to protect the shawn watson well one. You know he could play the position. That's not the question sure question in is how much can retain before it gets live. I think i've had opportunity. I've i've had opportunity to play for. Mike devlin whose office office alarm coach with the texans okay great guy played in the n._f._l. <hes> actually we saw jim kelly's team tanga back back into bill's days and bills running rampant happening. Don't knock it on super bowl doors. Just bring any home sure <hes> but one thing i worry about tons who is can't retain the new verbiage. Can you retain the new knowledge that i play with guys who've been a part of that system and it's hard medicine difficult system will pick up right away most of what you want him to attain happens overall t. as in training camp <hes> now he's playing what one to your point of rookie left guard so that's going to be his first. You're going to have a guy who's played for years. <hes> <hes> miami system now he's down texan <hes> texas and so you talking about thursday night a rookie league rookie left guard a new gyna- system <hes> a guy trying to learn the you know the texans playbook. It's gonna be a lot from so. I think you will be fine. I know mike mike devlin office line. Coach will get him acclimated as fast as you can but it's about him being healthy as well. You know you want this guy because sometimes i know for a fact when you don't when you aren't secure in your knowledge of what you should be doing out there. That's when you get hurt because you're not reacting. You're guessing now you you know you're you're. You're tentative so so hopefully tons of could stay healthy catch up. He can also is going to have to depend on his young kid. I left guard. He's going to have to grow fast so there's a lot of different dynamics that play mm-hmm and let's be honest. He's there because it was a serious need for the texans is now andrew. Luck just hung up because he didn't have office on winning. I stepped into combet helmet so i'm i'm i know tons of will be fine. He's tough enough but i'm worried about. How much can you retain his communication communication with him and his rookie left guard. Any is showing watson's blindside. That's a lot and let's be honest you know if if the texans don't give him an extension sometime during the season he'll he owes texans by the by the nuts because i can say bye bye. This ain't for me and ended up somewhere else. Oh so it's it's a lot of a lot of moving parts but they're trying to build this lineup for shawn watson because they don't want to see happen to him. What happened to angelo up but i if i'm if from towns of right now i have to be extremely extremely patient with myself and that's hard because you want to produce you wanna be wanna be everything that's organization easier to be but you can't can't force it. You've got to trust your instincts. Gonna trust while you're there and let it come through osmosis because i i've seen guys panic under the lights in that crushes the guys confidence and in his belief of what he can really do as a ballplayer and one starts getting muddled. That's when you run into trouble and that's when you lose a guy. That's where it doesn't matter. What guru offs learn 'cause oh she got in your ear. The guy in the helmet doesn't believe in himself. It doesn't feel comfortable about his new position where he's at troubles ahead. How difficult is going to be monday night in the superdome. They're probably let's go to silent counter offense with a new left tackle. Who's been there for a week. <hes> and a rookie left guard like from a player's perspective. I'm you've played in a loud environment environment. How is that going to be even possible well. The problem is everybody's silent. Count as far as from a center standpoint is different right so from because it's is a rhythm thing and in this happens over practice. He's he's probably practiced with the center. I don't know the center for the texas and so you have to use like three or four times right so he's done it dern practice. He's he's done it after practice but it's still different when it's live because your you know your your blood's pumping places rock and who dat nation hungry. They're still upset about the n._f._c. championship so that the place is going to be buzzing for tones of. He's going to have to warn tom himself down and also wants to gain communist left guard down from alabama state who fight never played it in front of that how many people in his life so he's going to have to come into a position where he now is like all right. I'm the. I'm the four pro i gotta act like i got a pro and i gotta make sure my nerves urge to become they'll get the best of me and i have to be able to pay attention because you know the saints are different team at home than they are way. There are a lot faster turf ju- breeze once when he gets into rhythm that could again could be over fast so shawn watson and now offers a line and all is going to be have to be. They're going to have to be combative and they're going to have to stay in the game. It'd be competitive. You know the texas. This is defense. We're holding on but they're gonna have to put some points and they're gonna have to do it by being able to protect the show watson from the human side of it you know the guy got traded. I think it was on monday monday or sunday. How do you deal with that like. Is he looking for a house now like is he living out of a hotel. He's probably staying in a hotel you you accident. If i'm mike devon stay away from the barbecue we need you leann. We don't need you to put on twenty pounds because you landed in texas <hes> but i also i think for him. Also he has to step into this situation especially moving to another city and not be afraid to ask for help you know sometimes you'll have have to trust people in the building. They know where you should be and where you should go use. The resources and i think guys are now. The train is to be so private right. You know you don't want anybody to know what you're doing and how you're going much where you could just fancy car and all this other stuff. I don't want people asking questions if you're new to new city many questions. You can yeah if you if you're going to buy something or you invest in something ask questions. I think some people are so well. I got a team of people that i've been with since my rookie year well well that's fine but they've never lived in houston tax here. You know what i mean so be be open. Be smart. Ask questions meet people in the community. Don't be afraid to to walk through the grocery store. Maybe if you just picking up a bread because sometimes the most people who are most excuse me you're or helpful for to you or people people in community who goes i hey man as laundromat not too far from your your your training. Facility is a grocery store vic. Sometimes the people in the community can help you sure be more efficient efficient. If you want this. Put down you know. Put down the helmet and say you know what i'm just guy. I'm trying to work here some people he's in the south people in this office suite two. That's so interesting just from a fan's perspective think oh. How is he gonna deal you know with the saints is girlfriend was lady can help them but i try to guys is get to meet the people in the community have conversation at the local pizza guy but hey you know how long you been opening when three game losing streak and you walk by place so you're free to the teams really set guys up in that type of manner to succeed off the field where you know they're going to have someone so help you look for an apartment or house or whatever they have real estate guys. They're the team is connected in any facet. You need the problem. A lot of guys don't use resources. They don't trust store this mixed bag but i try to tell a lot of guys in if you step into somebody's what you stepping into new city in a in a new state you know it's it's easy to be shelled clam but that's the opposite you wanna be open. You want people to know that you here for the team. You're in your vest in a brand. You wanna help the team win and you're invested in the community. You'll receive a lot of positive feedback. It's not always fans. Want one one sure that that happens but if you open yourself up and say hey man. I'm just a guy going to do a job. I just wanna work. I'm happy to be here. People were receive you well but if you if you come all you know if you showed up at autograph signings or or charity events and you not signing autographs or u._b._s. Being standoffish you don't want to take pictures to that that trickles people here that you know what this guy and he he took two pitchers and he walked out at the back door wouldn't even wouldn't even take a three year old that gets around and so if your new guidelines either way even if you're in the city right now. Don't be that guy right. Be the guys opening. Take pictures shake hands probably only there for our to the same the same amount of time. You probably spent on tallet looking at instagram. You know you could spend that really just being a nice guy yeah and is being. You know being being a guy that shows people you care. It's an interesting perspective loved here that <hes> so elephant in the room. We want to talk about our podcast surf surf and turf. That's us a lot of people serve turf by a lot of people asking on social media. Why did we come up with his name. <hes> how how does this make any sense to football we can kind of just dive into that really quickly so when we are narrowing down the names we came up with literally list of hundreds of names you. We had a few calls falcon. <hes> we had a few calls. We talked about it a bunch of times. <hes> we narrowed the list down the things that we kind of had in common where the the names that we liked <hes> had something to do with football but also that's something to do with football and i think that pertains to <hes> what type of interviews we have. We want to talk about the guys uh on the field. We also want to talk to him about what they're doing off. The field support a very important whether it's you know helping in their community going to strip clubs that type of thing like we're going to be totally unfiltered totally <hes> raw for the people so i think it's a really positive you know surf you know has many the different connotations. I'm a buck nears fan. You know they're on the gulf coast. <hes> that can kind of be tied in that way you know we're internet company and that type of thing <hes> surf 'n turf kind of premium meal we're going to be living in you guys premium interviews. Yes terp obviously because i spent a long time and n._f._l. With mahan dirt yeah i mean you gotta you gotta ring to show for it and <hes> pretty nice bank account. I'm sure to show for it but we're going to bring you guys. Weekly podcast really hard hitting interviews getting some really good stories again that network's pregame shows aren't gonna touch because they're not able to put because we're barstool sports dude anyway yeah and i think it's important also we try to highlight is to culture to culture in which the ball player has played in <hes> the man inside the helmet and just want to get to know the man sometimes people can't and do that especially when a big lights is on because it's about their brand here when these guys come and sit down chop it up and let's learn something yeah speaking of interviews i mean we got ryan and clark today. Fantastic interview went into great detail about his relationship with sean taylor. <hes> you know <hes> his his time. I'm with the steelers replacing kind of a staple of that chris hope his first encounter with you you know you guys both joined the but it has a little bit a couple of it's a couple of really good stories from that his time in the media now making that transition time. He's doing a great job doing great in the media to big things e._s._p._n. And just kind of <hes> his rise is in that world which i didn't know he's the first active n._f._l. Player to have t._v. Contract which which was <hes> did he sign the same day retired was to be no he was still in <hes> but just a very interesting story there and you know he ends the interview with a great anecdote about him and stephen a smith. Oh now that was juicy and how it almost came to blows a very early on and now there are about that life he is definitely about that life so really looking forward to that and without further ado here's our view with ryan clark uh all right ryan clark in studio for the surf and turf podcasts pro-bowler best known for his time with the pittsburgh steelers for the super bowl champion. You know what i hate about that bro. I ain't talking about that like sometimes i'll be on air and they'll introduce me as a former super bowl champ yeah that doesn't make sense former super bowl ever goes away. That's what makes that's why you win the super bowl champion for life right. You got the ring yes audisaintpaul. There's no format. Do you know i've actually never experienced that. It'll drive you nuts yeah. You're upset about <hes> but thank you for coming in studio today. Willie cologne myself stephen che one. It's kind of go over your story. <hes> kind of what you where you came from your time in the league kind of listen things off the field. Obviously you know you are a big face in media right now so we'd love to your take on things going undrafted. You signed with the giants. What was that process like. Were you expecting to be drafted. What's what was your experience. It was one of those crazy things man you know at the time. I don't think the s._e._c. wasn't pop. What it is now now now now. It was like all right. Let's go to big ten play right. You had all these other places so it wasn't the same but i was an all conference player my junior year we get to my senior year and we weren't as good in the secondary and i remember the first three games. I play really twelve. I didn't do anything i didn't get any interceptions and they make any big place then out and i was like man i you'll never get drafted. Play like this but i came into the season preseason. All americans preseason all i of team s._e._c. and honestly matches pissed on me like try to do too much. I remember saving brought me. Seasons like bro like i've never seen you play this bed. It was like two games like coach me. Neither wanted it to me. Neither not kind of try to explain to them. Why is like we're getting beat donna ceylon. I'm just trying to make a play off like i need to do more and so when it came to the draft process i actually man probably won't get drafted. I probably won't get a chance. I'll try but i wanted to graduate so i stayed in school so whereas all my other teammates went off and trained and did everything everything. I actually got the key to the endorse the indoor facility at l._s._u. And i would just train myself at night and i would <hes> go to the weight room at the finish classes and that was you know my training for the two twenty five. We'll you need a little machine especially that you can pull the weight off but it's still connected were yeah that was my train like legitimately warm up and i go in there and do to twenty-five as many times as i could like four sits right and i had to have it on the laura joint because i i want to follow my neck and somebody to spot me and that was kind of like how 'bout in pro day was cool and acid a draft. I get to calls the new orleans saints the new york giants obviously being a kid from new orleans like shoe. Make sense to go to the saints do make it. I could just stay with mom u._s._a. Stack economical money because you know the odds of sticking in making you being undrafted live and i remember man my first check for signing after taxes was like six hundred and eighty three dollars hong god and i thought i was rich bro made it. I was like you know and then you end up you end up making the team and it's one of those things because i was a good college player and because i had it at times i was highly ranked caidos player and had accolades. I thought i had a chance worked well for me. One thing we have in common besides being former teammates dates in a super bowl champions. <hes> is the fact that we both played in the new york market. <hes> two thousand and three eighteen goes foreign twelve hundred jim fossil that was awful grow. It was awful. It was the word. I don't think people and i i think i because i talk about it enough. Especially being in the market talking about the jets people don't understand how tedious in somewhat mind boggling the new york media is to the hometown team meaning the jets and giants you experience it. You're in a new york market especially with <hes> e._s._p._n. E._s._p._n. And everything else talk about your time being on that team that foreign twelve team by the way that had tiki barber that had michael strahan we have you guys had a squad but if you remember that year though quarterback gets hurt <hes> both starting corners the wheels we will peterson. We'll both of those guys get hurt. <hes> we gotta start and save if these sean williams go down and so and so it was one of those years where if go wrong in wages and once those things started happening you could see that coach fossil was just kind of flailing because it's not college right. You don't have eighty five scholarships players. It's not nick sabin where like like dude goes down and you just scoop up another five star the five star from the year before go get it. You didn't have that and so we were just trying to trying to figure it out and it was brutal but it was one of those things to at that time. I wasn't a big enough name. <hes> wasn't a good enough player to a really affected me news. You know like you knew what was going on. What was being said. We knew coach. Fossil will get fired and all of these different things but you really you really didn't fill it unless you one of those guys and by the time the season we have guys says oh. Nobody really got it. He's like yeah. You don't even know your name. Bro some big deal you sure yeah and and it's crazy now being in the national media do realize how different local media is is for all teams local media. Here is brutal. Yes it's it's almost like is a group of unhappy folks. You yeah yeah who all folks who don't wanna see go well because they are out of business about they definitely their their experience is shown so much better. Their experience writing is shown better when it's negative it's positive and so this place is unlike like any in pittsburgh. They wanted to write good. Things does better for dome yeah. They wanted to write good things about you and i've been other places where they were looking for the good looking for the stories that made people feel good about their team and i think maybe there's so much here right whether it's entertainment and you have basketball. There's so many things that are here. It's like i know we don't have to search for good. One of these things will pop in and then low and behold y'all got the knicks so again thank you for ran with us on the inaugural episode of surf and turf. This episode is brought to you by hooters are still bets has launched with hooters today. It's thursday september fifth when this is coming out. Bart's labatt's has launched with hooters who provides an optimal viewing experience for serious fans to watch all the games have fun with the world famous hooters girls stop by your local hooters every monday this football season for some hooters monday night football moneyball answer series of props for your chance to win hooters food food swag cash price even a trip to the big game in february. Get in on the action at hooters moneyball dot com willie. I love me some hooters swings. I'm sure you love yourself some hooters wings <hes> that is a great place to watch the game <hes> who had <hes> mike adams mike adams yes had a uh super bowl party talked about that so a big supporter of the show we appreciate it served podcasts after near new york. You went to washington then. You're a safety. You played with a very prolific safety. That's i'm sean taylor. His career and life obviously cut short. I'd be really interested to hear what your relationship was like with chantal. I know you were you were twenty one in practice in tribute to him but kinda describe that <hes> a guy i mean you know you can ask willie what usually happens is in a lot of times. People think that like receivers are cool with receivers because they're are alike. That's not really true you cool because you spend all the time on you know th there were days. I'd see willy probably maybe fifteen minutes in the morning in a meeting meeting. I'd catch him and we were getting dressed to go to practice and practice running on and off the field as i was changing so you don't necessarily get to spend time with those dues when when you play the same position you're with them all the time every meeting you have during the season. That's the guy you said next you. Every meaningful conversation you we have about football is usually with those people and at the time i got there. I was twenty three twenty four years old. Shaw was twenty one. You know we were the young guys in the room and we were totally different dudes. I was undrafted dude who had just been cut by the giants coach. Tom coughlin said i was too small. Oh and probably will never be physical enough to play. Safety is the price you should check out arena ball in canadian like he told me like try other things coughlin's coughlan and focused on special teams. You know now it's like oh okay you know and so the next year you know you're a washington and i'm a i'm a football junkie right and so i knew who so until it was yeah right you watch him and and then when you when he was he was right then you see him in person and he's actually better you know he's he's actually you you saw some things and he was like man does really good picked right right dry but you know we'll see how it goes on. They get in practice and you get to see them do even more impressive things in practice than other people soon game you know because you see him every day and so watching his do man it it was it was crazy and so we ended up being cool because we started to play together and then once we started to play together he we started to trust me and if you've ever been been around somebody who's had like things go wrong and people turn on him and people bad mouth and and feel misunderstood. They don't just open up why. I'm glad you said that. I think that's important so much talked about you know. There's always that famous highlight. I remember him from the days of the u. I remember in washington. I remember the pro bowl. He knocks the fucking stuffing added up over the hell. It was on new. There's only there's football sean taylor and in ayers sean that that was robbed and shot. There's a big gap. <hes> who will sean taylor off the field you know and that's the thing it was so crazy. Willie our last face to face conversation was the preseason season game the year he passed and we're sitting in the middle of the field and his his his fiancee name was jackie. It was super cool actually named their daughter jackie so we just called her baby jake back and he was talking about how is his life had changed in how he had had given his given his life to kreis he he was being a better father. He was just being a better man being a better person and he's always smiled and when he smiled he looked. He looked like he couldn't see right. He like this is like a little kid right and i was so excited for because i knew what he'd gone through right. I knew that he never had peace. I knew that it it was always something that was always something going on whether it was him being over somebody taking his a._t._v.'s him going to get them back and then him becoming the the person who was blamed the nimh you know portraying themselves as victims so it was all always these other things and had finally stopped right and he was like oh my i was like man finally he's. He's gonna get some peace right. He's gonna just get to be you know the sean i know dudas at his house and he plays madden and falls asleep or he comes over and plays with my little girl because he he didn't have anybody to cook for him at a time so i'll tell ya you know to cook form and i remember the first time the first time you met him. She wasn't there that season because they pick me up and she was pregnant and i was like babe. I don't wanna move you here. We get a house or apartment. Get comfortable and then i'm cut we we gotta go back so she would fly in every other weekend and stay for a few days and he walks out and he's like hi mrs clark and he walks off and so my wife was like who's that and i was like oh yeah that's sean. She goes crazy one but but but that was that was the because if you saw him play football he was. He's a regular maniac ania. He was reckless he would he would hit anybody so then you couple that with some off the field stuff and that was who he became to be but it really wasn't him do was quiet man he it was thoughtful he was kind. Maybe that's just a energy you attract because that's true yeah. That's that's roy. Choi on the field. People think i dated girl one time. No no no bullshit you play for the steelers are my guess. She's like all you played. There's a guy to call the tasmanian devil. I'm like troy and just like yeah. I love that that guy too long hair and her next to and she's like how is he off the field. I'm like why a heel smile. He'll probably decided across a walkway right right right. She's like no. I mike yeah that sean taylor. Those guys are very they were very similar in personality and i don't know if if you can't necessarily be that explosive on sunday and actually speak to people monday through saturday but their personalities were were very were very closely related and and so it was always like i remember and it took me a while to forgive <hes> mike wilpon reichel yes because order yeah because we're when sean past. He basically likened it to well. If you live your life this way this is kind of how you go all right but it but if you know the the story of silence passing he was actually protecting jackie and babies aki right and because of somebody off the field stuff he wasn't allowed to have a weapon to protect it themselves so when he heard the door open he runs to the door with a machete in the guy panics and shoots layer you know and so when and when you're a friend and also at this time because when i just got hospital right when i got my spleen so i was out of hospital a couple of days when i got the call oh that he was that he'd been shot and then they woke me up out of my sleep actually to tell me he passed and so for me. It was one of those situations. This is just like you know like you never ask the question of like you know. Why did i choose to save one. He doesn't chase say like that. It's a hardcore right. That is what it is possible but it does give you a perspective when you were faced with something similar and he does bring you out right and it makes you look get. It makes you look at every day differently especially you win to me right to me. This dude had a lot more and at the time it was all football. I mean you're locked in at this right yeah but but but visit dude had a lot more to offer on his way ahead a lot off of the world to me then i did right and so and so you're sydney like crowd. You know what i mean like how how does how do you make this okay to anybody who cares about him and so that was something that i dealt with you know for for a very long time and it's you know people say stuff like you know. It's not a day go by goes by it. I don't think so but it's really true because my life is football. He was a best friend yeah. So does my my my. My life is football. All your life is football. It's not like i ever turn on a football game or or or think about it. Don't think about how great he was and then right on the side of it. You'd think about how tragic it was not only that he passed willie willie but that people's perception of him is what it is and he never got to change well. That's tough. This is coming off of <hes>. We're taping this right. After the pro football hall of fame weekend with troy paul model pol malo played with sean taylor ed reed was also also just inducted into the hall of fame. Those are arguably the greatest safeties of all time warner percents <hes>. How would you rank those three against each other so oh and so here's the and just as a small world aid grew up proudly twenty minutes from me oh really yeah. He's a florida blue. No everybody thinks that because because he went to miami so he originating from louisiana okay so the guy recruiting the area though was very familiar with louisiana understood it so i would run home every friday night. 'cause i was a decent high school football player and i was like man respect. You know i was like i had two interceptions. You know what i mean and i was like i could. I could could get it done so man. I run home to watch friday night football because friday night football player of the week or they're gonna show the player of the week and i was like i'm for short a player no no question. The mama watched is finished. They ryan on art. You know and it'll be like ed reed. Three interceptions returned for a touchdown also stepped in at quarterback and threw a touchdown god right and and so man he had a teammate at this he added team. You know how it is. When you guys are local. He made a two lane recruiting. There was a running running back at my school. That tulane recruiting coach comes to me look. I know you're not going to lean but going is visit. I think they're going to offer barry. I goes down the street. I could stand hotel to my girlfriend. Lives like this going to be a party so mamy eight or sitting on the back of the bus. We're coming from <hes> a lunch and you know about that young ed reading on screen bus craig beginning of a terrible story yeah so it looks over. Hey man like what school you go to man you can go to l._s._u. And he was like mom. I think go to miami. That's do you think i'm gonna go to l._s._u. And probably like a week later you know we both committed and the story story goes and so it was always cool for me that it play for baltimore when i was in pittsburgh because it was it was one of those things for me. It was like an even when you played the game and and really knows this. It was like you always thought it was going to get a pig. It was ridiculous yeah. It was almost like you need new legs. It was a mistake so we continue to almost factored into the game yeah you did you can have one turnover aid going to pick choice probably going to get one and so for formal right and so you know when this is a question you always get though about troy in ed. I i do think it's an extremely hard question to answer because they're so different you know they're they're. They're so different. I think one is the best free safety. I've ever seen play that's it. I don't think anybody has ever played the middle of the field in the deep part of the field adria just name in what he did. You really couldn't and i don't think i know he wants to coach. He was talking because he coasted with the bills. He's talking about coaching in new england. He's going to screw somebody the body of no honor percents. That's why so. I had a conversation one of my buddies. <hes> brandon newman who i he played bright bright young was a lightsout defensive lineman forget notre dame. Oh yeah <hes> themes isn't he's out of his world but when we when we was the pittsburgh he played for san francisco at the time so brandon was telling me how when brian in retiring. He went back to notre dame coach. He was coach in a d line and how half the room was so fucking puzzled and does brian was like all right. Just get them off. You look gap. Shut it and go to eighteen hundred years not mentioned over three hundred fifty pound bright young was by far the strongest human being. I've ever top-five showing some played played against and brennan was like men. We're sitting near in practice trying to do what he's done or what he what he's done in his past and he goes those dog. We can't do it can't do we can't do it. We understand what he's trying to tell us to do. Physically we can't do it and i think some ball players. Don't get to that point because that's the block walk in a room right all right. I can tell you what to do. If you physically physically can't do it then it's like all right didn't have nothing else to tell you. Well you know and other hard part about it is too vague. Vade don't understand shortcomings either right. You know so so it happens like man. It's like look i want you to. I want you to act like you're confused and go to this hashtag. I want you to speed turn and get around and he's gonna throw the same. You're going to get to the scene from the other hash and it's going to be a pig because if you fake this way new wrong there's no way he's oh yes yeah coz. I get it off saying and so like the other crazy thing like ed is probably along with troy one of the most intelligent people i've ever had football conversation with they just understand it but they also understand it in a different way and i've gone a long way to ask you a question in the sense that i couldn't because i just think they're all three different. What i will say is sean was the most unique talent song was storms. Dave yeah like as far as like high high speed strength because editora- small small small size but sean sean was legit six two he came in he came in one year and he was going through stuff off the field so he came take the sprinters thing like ten forty to ten seconds in between and it was taken off of your like combine appro forty so it had to be pretty close and and he came in and brought to forty five and he ran with omar stoudamire who was odor vit- always and she ripped up ran track in high school rule and he's married is later ran track and i couldn't keep up with them just moving looking at showing a you know kemin working this even doing and it was just natural. He was just better than all of us and he was <hes> gordon david patten one day and david play for the patriots for a long time dave it was fast as all talk about when he ran it was all you saw was knees and going to blur and so you know we get one on ones orange juice like alpha show nocco guard a top four receiver titans and five seven. You gotta get cut you know one right but song was different so as david patten out there showing goes to guard him pressman pressman at the number one position outside the numbers so obviously you know showing seeks to two thirty. David kinda gets a move on him off the line and he hasn't beat right. Mark brunell throws the ball camp so everybody cares about office. Nobody wants face to where it's like. Depressing actually look in other places though you get a pig defense to homey right if we don't play we don't get mad and so showing ruins behind find me catches up with david patten and so the ball is dropped right in perfect and it was the craziest thing so he slit his arms on the side of his helmet and grab the ball over and over and you know and it was when he was a rookie and it was one of those moments oh he's getting our berthier like you see those things and it's something that they do that. We can't i remember asking troy because i was inquisitive and i was like man. You know sometimes choi. Lets me go down and play the box when he thinks he's going to get a pick. Which is the worst thing we gained all weekend. We know like a certain place. Coming and troy are back and i'm like well why i think they bought the total plate bro. I know it's coming to go. Catch it so i'm like man. What makes you blitz in covered three because one. You know that's wrong right. He's no that's wrong. He's like oh yeah. No it's wrong. He's like well are see see if you've talked like that to see if you look at the end of the offensive linemen and then if you see their knuckles there pressing style this is over pro. I can't see all that much less. Just fill it. He's like no r._c. Too many weights you gotta flow like water. I'm not going to get over so i'm gonna live weight and so i think and i never got to have that type of intimate relationship with ed and what he did but i think they were very similar in those are things that you can't teach teach people and and so when you look at those guys i think they they put the safety position to where it is now right. So where a guy you guys get the type of money that they get now is because those dudes. We're able to change games for so long. Safeties were the other position right. You may show people at school long touchdowns. You backed up the linebackers when you had to but now with the game spreading out. I believe that those guys were the they ushered us in and to to this era too where landon collins gets eighty four million or two where earl thomas thomas gets fifty two and tyrod matthew gets fifty fifty two. They're now seeing okay. These guys probably can be actual bigger. Difference makers than corners can't right corners. They stand in one wants biden's. No disrespect you so i think it's the second hardest position far by far left tackle. You know i think that those positions are you win or lose. That's it you you know. I mean everybody knows and so i'm not in any way diminishing what those guys do but it's gotten to now with the limited teaching in college you know college is not the killing killing us right office of lyman. Don't block the way they don't understand football the same way so the ball comes out quick can he comes out in between the numbers and if you have a guy like attire matthew landon collins kevin buyer these dudes can make you money and so those guys i believe are are getting paid because of the aid reads choi palomar losing they played today. You had to pay those dues one hundred million dollars. We both still as a first year yeah so not smash thousand see. I know he was just. I knew he was going to say that bro. Smash jonesboro prep is like willie. What was your first like. You guys. Both can't pissed thousand six. Does your first impression of ryan clark on the field like he's going to bring up the story pro smash crazy man. I'm telling you never finished the game against baltimore. That's true but that's the first thing i'm just tougher than willing you know and he's bigger than me and like louder but i'm just saying a joe louder because he was pretty yeah. Talk a lot but i'm not loud voice carries more than mine. I'm more sochi. Oh quiet storm so like after twelve midnight. It'll be like dr love radio doctor so we're doing goal line right yeah. It toss the ball. I don't a secondary though you tyrone carter was me 'cause. I remember most tight job <hes> to go take me t._c. Ike i is there. It is definitely the shade and troy but troy don't talk so don't come camera. I don't care what can you so man so they pitch it to to willie right and it'll pitcher to me. They basically willie parker and so now willie colo is the leading. He's he's. He's he's now. He's in my the he's in my world right so usually guy one ninety five two hundred now you try to make a little move just keep contained but at this point one they all treat me bad at pittsburgh because everybody wanted chris hope to be legislative. Go ahead finish. Everybody wanted chris hope to be there and like the whole him have been talking. Shit shoot each other prior to this because we're always talking always talking right so really constantly talking like east of barking by this point. He didn't got eight fights because he and fight every practice and i was like you know what so he comes around and now at this point i've decided i don't care about the play. No matter is going to be me smashing with it so as they come around is fast willie parker at fat willie okay. That's the to be whereas whereas comes around so i've got to pick a winner right so i picked big willies over with so man. I come up smashing wom. He basically flips if you could imagine really doing the flip i it's hard to imagine he basically flips okay right and he just falls on his size bloom bloom right. I don't know what happen because right. Now is customer willie out. So what happened is real time. I see my he's. He's one hundred percent correct. He picked one because it's two hundred it's fast willie and his big really i call myself at the time you were. You were so he fucking he sees meek. Thank you tell the difference between ball football players and guys who are worried about the career. He didn't care about his up now. Looking back you worry about yeah you know and he looks square my eyes and as he's taken off midflight and so i'm not wearing my job my fucking i'm going right. Do we know booster. It's clash clash in his full so i go stand up and t._c. Goes ross did he gets you the ryen tarot card it custody yeah so i'm cussing back at our office. Lower coaches russ grimm so the rest is like then actually really. How do we gotta go and walk away. I can hear t._c._u. You show you are so yeah you fat and that was that's how i that's. That was a pittsburgh practice. It was that type intensity was talking when i tell you he's actually right. When i tell you it made me it made me appreciate the steelers more now because i've been a pro practices the intensity and this is like a wednesday it was it was a random it was a it wasn't like nothing that we're really going down the show. It was just us being steelers rain so it's funny that he tells the story because he's one hundred percent right. It was most guys like man. I'm trying to get the training. Indicate aren't trying to former showed up. He was like fuck it. Whatever i will say this though that team and i've been on i play for three different teams is i've been in different places. We cared for each other in a different way and i don't know like i don't know how other people are like and what was crazies. We did nothing purpose purposely to buy. That's one hundred right because it wasn't like it's malicious. If nothing is nothing for willie to hit me up that'd be like are you in new york and i'm like yeah. Can you come through and do this. Yeah like tell me what time right let. Let's try to figure it out. In those kind of relationships we have. I can be honest. Every teammate i play with doesn't have my number or every team on doesn't have a guy that i could save for sure. If i can do something form warm i will now. Usually you do just to be kind break but it's not necessarily things you want to do. In our relationship there was different friend but part of what he's talking about though made us hard to infiltrate in the sense that like if you weren't like us if you didn't fit in from a mentality -ality standpoint from a way we looked at life from a from eleven year brother standpoint like we can rock what you and i and it's obvious like who those those dudes were and never necessarily cause problems but like you could see we were grown. Men don't want to call this cliquish the skilled worker but it was almost like a tribe. The tribe is like you knew who was so davis an offense to face. It's and i think that was one of the things that was extremely unique about that. Team was that we were more like a group of cousins and then the actual organization that's great like <hes> introspective on steelers culture. How did that i mean we talked to a bart scott last week. It was kind of on the other side side of that rivalry. What was it like for. You guys going into ravens week. It was different. You know and we're not played eight us to lie. What do you mean you used to lie because you don't want to hype it up. No i don't know i didn't want them to know that we care. We care like masters. He's like any of the week you wanted us to say. Just you know i just watched a film and i just go out and try to perform. You know we're going to go here. We're going to do our best and then like we get the practical is still whatever willis mcgahee way rice all care real thuggish saying it was his and honestly the most important game of the season when you got the schedule was to always see who you played the week after yeah and and the reason was one you was hurt her yeah you weren't injured but you hurting using with makoto neck down sure that week because you understood and it was was also it was so much energy that winning the plane it was so personal stressful because one i talked about having designed for the game boy you wanna blow him out right ever you wanna go blow him out so that meant. You're one play like sixty plays in the game for us right. You can fifty nine plus. One minus could be some hurt. They hurt you and made you lose the game. It was just stressful like my wife was is all football like she don't care like he knows she said like. I'd be on the ground shop. I get up clark like that's how she was. She's like baltimore. Wheats like it was different. She's i felt different and i and people don't really remember this the like i had that game but lima sweden corey on la. I can't remember his last corey ivy ivy nickelback bro yeah. He thought he was listening nickelback. Your member smoked smoked omagh lime boy llamas we could catch a cold you could see it was it was probably the worst thing i've ever seen any no for bye always open the second third pick out the most athletic receivers like he can do anything on the state open yeah but he throwing the ball. It just went numb necessary roughness. Guess what do you mean is cool but guessing okay but bro. He cr- back on him and i'm talking about crushed him and people don't remember for all the ed reed did did against us. The most feared veered player on the field when the baltimore ravens will defense was hines ward hula. I never seen a like really getting mad. Take so high is like on a stop blocking ads kinda just running on a heinz discards the the stock block and put his rearrange. It was yeah. It was vicious and you would. I it probably in jail. If there's today in a phil jackson plant now he will be useless to have your team can do. They used to have hines a <hes>. I remember one time the we're running down a few and i remember there is a raven chasing the ball and heinz in the middle of the field. I think gets too rosy. It's ray lewis highs turns around with and if that him like this do and these are supposed to be the toughest the baddest. I think this is the land and this little light skinned do with negative muscle you on hi hat no muscle doing a._c._l. He was building a mechanic a car mechanic one hundred not even a good mechanic. You're saying ah duquesne if he cooperated highs was but he was viciously so like when i used to watch those two games and now when i watch football especially because i have a son i kinda like that you do do. They're moving fast and they're hitting and so like like i started to feel it lay my career. Why should preseason games. I believe man these boys running running so fat just sit on the sideline. It look different and watching our offense play the baltimore. Ravens defense like that was a game. You didn't sit down. I go sit down. I get my little. Oh i get my little notes. We talk. I coach done and i go to the end of the field so i can go see what was going on because it was every play count it every play matter added and you didn't want to miss anything so like the patriots like it almost addict like bite my tongue. I guess it'd be by my fingers. There's on twitter sometimes because almost won't be library i didn't i just don't care about the patriots. Thank i care. I just don't like that wasn't that wasn't it wasn't it you know i was like we played that game like we played the other fourteen or other thirteen. I was like but the two again team from baltimore. That's what we worked for that so we practice for so many like eight pains me now that the league has changed so much that fat ah that rivalry isn't important anymore. You know it's it's it's. It's no longer order down yeah. It's no longer historic right because we i used to feel like we all on us and the team in the world felt that way the crazy thing it was going to be on prime time right. They wanted seventy nine for as much as they were finding us. They were promoting day. We were going to try to kill him. The previous that game yeah it was just people going to sleep everywhere. It was hurt show. It was a sleep study what i'm saying hey they had those with asthma pump. Put on the cpa c-pap. Yes it was it was that kind of game and and what was great about it is really can can definitely tell you it was all out of respect yeah like it wasn't like it wasn't like i hated those dude dude i didn't i just knew that if i didn't come with the mentality that it was it was going to be me all the time though yeah all the time and and i knew i brought like i didn't want it to be me right before we dive a little deep with ryan clark. I wanna talk to you guys about roman swipe so most guys have tried different ways to last longer thinking about baseball doesn't always work the folks at roman and on linesmen health company are changing the game with roman swipes they they are the secret to longer-lasting sex. Roman swipes are clinically proven to make you last longer in bed. They're effective easy to use fast acting and do not not require. 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Now it's you know heads up tackling much safer a lot more penalties for helmet-to-helmet that was a hit where you know you knocked him out. He knocked you out balls fold. He did not knock me out. Your knocked yourself out right. Whoa i never would just leave okay but i just couldn't hear and i was like super loving like saving private ryan a moment just hear the buzzing. No that's no bro. It's not like somebody to horn in my ear and now i realize like once i watched it. I realized it was because his face man sitting right here in the sound was so so loud but you know. It's probably like people really hard. There's a lot of the people who who i really smashed. You know that one was one kind of not need it because we was going to win anyway like it was needed needed because it would arrive recalled it was it was the it was the punctuation yes that they're rival rivalry needed and i talked to rich ryan. I know about it all the time. Brian may's like we thought you killed him. He's like he's like it was it was one of the scariest moments i've ever had as a coach the the week before <hes>. We're playing the chargers in the playoffs. They had darren sproles at the time. We're in the same coverage covers to man they moved errands grows over to my side. He runs a little will route catches the ball running away from me score the touchdown but we went in me. We went to open it. Was it was over with john. Go home. <hes> so we get. We're getting that same position. Listen we are in cover four this time not to man and they move willis mcgahee over and i was like they gonna try to do the same same thing because it worked three ball so he comes out so i faked like i'm in the same coverage. I opened my himself like i'm going to the <hes> <hes> to the numbers and when he leaves the backfield i plant my foot in the ground and i just take off running and so new far enough away that i wasn't going to get there first i and so as running toward him is really just situation of like me. Golan yeah like if somebody going flip flinch flinch like that's not my thing and so i just it was it was just one of those moments in time where like it's out out of body in a sense where muscle memory takes over and it's one of those situations where if you aren't that guy that does happen if i'm a different dude on my chops his legs or my slow my feet down a little attack in in wrapping you know but for me it was like i'm not gonna stop until i run through him and then you hit him in all <hes> so you see me like grab. My ear sounds like oh crap is sucks and i was on the ground like three of my closest friends is there at the game and i just remember man after the game is one of them home was mark as washington goes but you want to call me p._i. For so reason because he's calling the private ryan and he's like <hes> one what you mean he's like you gotta i private and that was that was the rival remain and i just remember and like the super bowl like winning. The super bowl was like a relief for me because we were. I felt the best team n._f._l. That year the cardinals were kind of like this wildcard team. That caught fire had we lost the game to them. It would have been just depressing because we year was so so magical in so many ways to lose that super bowl would amend it was for nothing right and there's a picture of me. I'm laying in the confederate baltimore. Three times trump's a year right yeah. Which was that was the week before it was and so and so we lost that game i just don't know if i ever recover hover from it but i remember laying in confetti and you know people run out so you may want to ask you these questions because they want. This is real o. Rien delaying confetti just one super bowl forty three. What are you feel relief. I'm so glad that junk is over here and because like that season once we once we got it rolling. Every week was like a man. Y'all got to do it again. We're so good on defense. We had the worst punter of all time. Great guy greg. I wish nosy is bad so we're not talking shit. I hi to this day believe that we were as good as we were defensively number wise because we always played on a short field yeah because mitch can point out of both i think we just kept because he was like a good luck charm. You know but we have lots of really wanted any day. We lost the best ever lost a person and so men it was just is one of those things that like that. Year was the perfect storm for that team and that story. You know it's it's it's almost it's almost crazy. That tone was actually like mike up for the super bowl. One tone should never be my if you're just going to pick a guy. I don't know who was an emmy like guys over at home santa all right guys. I think homes getting miked up homeless stretch stretch but is is just so crazy how to world war. He's the guy your relationship with if antonio brown we don't have too much but i would love to know how your relationship was when you were teammates like what was good. We had a good relationship man. <hes> we used to watch lou. We actually planned a paid for his first. Two parties <hes> in nome um pittsburgh rajak plan to i plan the second one by herself and we will go on trips. Jack was a winner is the player development guy yup <hes> sleep at the house <hes> yeah we were. I mean we're cool. I didn't i didn't think you know to me. I saw a young dude who had his son by himself. Yeah who was a low draft pick who had been through a lot. It just seemed to me like he was a dude. That was trying to do things you know the right way at first and then toward the time when it was when he started the ball like you could see some changes but like people change right you know a and it wasn't necessarily going for the worst yeah. It wasn't like it was bad. He just like he started to you. Know feelings yeah you start to act like successful. Rich people do sometimes and <hes> you know like i told us throw e._s._p._n. You know he was walking aswan. Give them some money 'cause he deserves it. When you do create a monster and i was right you know and it wasn't necessarily like a minute like some. Things are just fact not necessarily negative. You know what i'm saying like like if you say kobe bryant when he played seemed like an a-hole brian's my favorite basketball player right right. It doesn't make me love them any less. The fact is that is how i perceive it sure you know and that was how i proceed so then when i left oh i was i hadn't left yet. I was a free agent at a year and i was. I was on the executive committee of the n._f._l. P._a. and i wanted people to be able to smoke smoke like i wanted people to baby us like most players do yeah i wanted to be able to smoke and crazy thing is i don't smoke. I still don't smoke then. I don't smoke now pill but i understood that people did and also understood it didn't make them bad people and didn't make him bad teammates rather use it on your sofa because as you feel at peace your injuries don't hurt you as much today. You have a way to kind of get away from it. All you not stress the need to be taken opiates and drinking. Absolutely that was my thing and so i went on t._v. And they asked him he was like you know. Do you know any players. Have you ever played anybody. They use marijuana right. Yeah like thank you know and i've been on three teams at the time scherf and then he was like you know ryan clark's bidder because we don't want him and this and that and to me. I was like whoa. I'm not bitter. I don't care i was like i'm just trying to help your boys. Whoever wants to stop suspended not getting to spend money and so like that was that and so what what transpired from antonio's and my relationship when we played was this how how it affects me in the media with him. I don't go to the lintz. I normally go to protect the people i know okay so now i i still do right because people know that we kind of have a thing. I somehow get all of the bull corn that he goes through her life. People call me about <hes>. I'm not talking about that. That ain't got nothing to do with what's going on in football night talking about. I don't care like it's not my business and so like i still like. I'm never going to do that but there. There are some people that i have some feelings about that if i know them. I'll just call him and say hey man. This is what i feel. What are you okay with me saying sure and they might do the conversation. Explain something to me. That makes me say oh well. That's why you did it like. I get it right interpret. You know like i've had conversations stations. You know with odell like we've talked and it gives me greater insight. Would i get an opportunity to speak about him on t._v. I don't because of our relationship uh. I don't have a relationship with antonio i can have that conversation so those thoughts that i would call them and be like hey tone this feeling bro. Which was you think about that. We we don't have that type of relationship. He doesn't want that type of relations alter media so it goes through the media and now instead of me like okay. I'm going to soften often my stance or not gonna tell this story that is pertinent to the conversation. I just tell them and which is your job right and i think people when he gets. He's been upset about it. He challenged me to a fight thrown down. You know at super bowl and i think you know and and woods crazy is is like when they see us on tv. They actually forget who we are. <hes> you know yeah <hes> bottle right there. Anybody who knows me who actually knows me knows that that sweet scares me nine. You know that it wasn't going to be home. I couldn't he's not you know by. If you wanna go to like if you want to make that happen cool and what was crazy about it the next day right all blows it like it all all over the place it was this is crazy. It wasn't a big deal to me until i walk in because we have to dry off. He was there. I was supposed to be there and my boss goes from e._s._p._n. They'll fight him. Really you can't do that. Oh like oh. No i'm here. I would never do that here. Hardee's uh-huh let me know light. Oh crab people think this is rent deal and it was and and so i went on i take the knicks jay which you know what i take is. I showed us like we want to smoke. We wanted to know what i'm saying so i'm going on and and you know i get the email and then you know part of the emails i we're going to ask you about the antonio brown's data so now had had a decision to make right. 'cause you're going on on a show tests like aurora right. You know what i'm saying spencer with steven a. and so you going on that show but i had soooo and i'm sorry it's taken so long ahead to make a decision right because the differences remember derek carr challenged those guys if he does reckless russia so derek carr and stephen smith are not going to have a cage yeah ever has not gonna have hard really wanna caged right steven a. for doing right <hes>. I am not egotistical enough to believe that in tonio brown would not fight me if he had a chance i believe he would. I would like i capable. Do your passes to being around him. I told stephen that too. I was like the kid says it but i've seen him scrappy with j._f._k. Scary scary out and so and so on the other side of that. I also knew i'd fight him too right. So so that-that's ah that's different than we're going to go make tv fun about derek carr offering a cage and two dudes who are predisposed we dispose violence right actually seen each other somewhere right and so my decision was to be an dope and b both have kids both our fathers yeah. I got china twenty euro note. I'm saying and so you know. I was like well in like everybody who knows me. I was like yeah if that has to happen. I should have handled it differently what i mean by that. Is you know how we were willie. I'm gonna address you. In the form of address meal right it ain't the mirror right eighty commenced england beat that you address on twitter and then i find a way through the back alleys to talk to so you about it now. Keep keep it in the mood of the rain but looking back on it. I shouldn't have that shouldn't have been something i involved the world and i said it on. I take like i would have rather he not told me and we just saw each other and he'd be like she was talking about it right and you see about it and everybody goes on his over at that point. It's over right and so i take like i had to just be honest with people and be lion about to be forty right and and what i said i felt my reply was was my true feelings but that doesn't make it right you you know like if i was truly just doing my job which are worse. I didn't have to be quote unquote manley enough to accept his challenge reality right and i had to understand that because we have a previous relationship regardless of if their relationship is good there will be a sense of if this guy knows me and should protect me sure in when that doesn't happen and there is a there's a hurt that goes along with that subconscious that i don't think you'd notice right. It's not like amount to r._m._c. did it but it touches you in a different way if willie colognes talking about me and he's never met me. I think he's a fool he's stupid. He don't know me but when somebody knows you and has auditory it touches you deeper and i head to realize that when i'm saying things about him and because it was players in general because it because it was about yeah there's <hes> and i only say that because i remember when you started making the transition to the media and you started getting more air time you started becoming the new darling <hes> there were people like oh watch out watch r._c. Like you know people like two meals like. I never looked at you from a standpoint like i need to watch how i talk to. You like one hundred percent like when i see you i see family. I don't see i don't see the suit glam always data changes ages though right because like the especially to willie that like the father we get away from it. People forget we did it. You see what i'm saying and and and and like that's the that's the hard part for instance we were on today. We were talking about tom. Brady you know and i was like i in no. It does not actually make me physically ill to allies in doing what i'm saying. I'm playing up angle say like the the statement basically is you know. I think tom brady should have been the highest paid player of all time. I don't think anybody scoffs at yeah. You know that was the statement now. Ally is so obviously the comparison is well. I think he should have made more money than eli. That's all i'm saying. Put them on tv tv and you can't say that boring because entertainment i want you yeah. It's entertaining show up the end so it's crazy like people are like <hes> comment like man you count in his pockets and i can't say that it bothers me but i don't want that perception of me. Because just this morning i was asked to do a list that would be the most underrated players and overrated or underpay an overpaid and i was like y'all got to change the name i was like because i want a don't want to say a guy necessarily overrated right. Damn sure don't say overpaid and i said i definitely don't want to say he's overpaid like i don't wanna count his pockets and this is a conversation i i literally had yesterday morning and this morning and then now because i make a joke about being physically ill about allies money. People like dobie count his pockets and it don't hurt my feelings. I don't know these folks but i'm my thought is day. I don't want to think i'm calling calling pockets. You know that's kind of unwritten a long ball by do's pockets however it works out. It works out right long my name your name is good and we could see so and so like that's the i'll be honest like that's that's the hard part of doing this job in the horror part of of getting away from playing because sometimes you get caught in situations where you say things in your entertaining necessarily mean in like that like i don't care if eli make four hundred million. Don't make your opinion. It'll make my house smaller bigger. Don't make you shit right but but you know but the thing see you should have said something else. You don't like that. It's kind of like that's kind hi to of of where we end up when like you really played last question just because <hes> you know you do work <hes> <hes> you know for e._s._p._n. With a lot of big personalities appear pretty close a stephen a smith <hes> he is just you know on another planet as far as <hes> personalities <hes> give us kind of a really good steven a. anecdotal story about <hes> his personal tried to fight him real like real lifelike flake more so than a. b. or derek carr even trying to find the same as a b. Find me i'm. I'm very different yeah right so so really kind of mentioned when i started doing t._v. So i was the first ever like active football player have t._v. Contract to yeah which is crazy because i that was a very good player but i wasn't great. I was going to the hall of fame but that was also the reason i did it. I was like let me start now so i don't have to fight other eighty ballplayer to listen. It is start while you're playing yeah and so you know and i got in pittsburgh. I got flag four because it's pittsburgh and i was like you should only do football. I was like if i was a contractor. I i would say that okay so lemme have alone <hes> and so man. Do you remember i had the athletes versus players thing. I mean versus t._v. Personalities yeah that's win win like richard sherman toe skip bayless. I'm better at all yeah and so steven a. like the date like the week before i go on stephen talks about like guys not having degrees. They want my job but they can't do it. Goes off about how bracingly athletes are done right so like my major was mascot mass communications. I have a degree in communications and so when i go on life soon got a degree in communications. I was like i can talk like i can do this. I was i am my hair line. Any pushback you know what i'm saying man and so like i leave he comes back the next show and like while i was there skip was kind of cool about not really saying anything and he's set me up for when stephen can come there and talk about it for twenty minutes. He's like we were really good at the time i'll care when the steelers are relevant and this and this and that net that which is fine like bourbon tova four three the last four years. We're always played at the table and he was like he was like an. I know where to find. You and you know i'll go to any locker room and say this is that because he was you know he was saying from a reporter standpoint that he's not scared to back up his words. In a sense of i say what i say and i'll see it anywhere cool and then at the end he goes and ask for anything else. Ryan clark knows that he can kiss right and willie's been around me a long time like i don't really curse yeah even here like there's many times like curse words fit into what i wanted to say and it was like quotes right. I just won't sale like it's very rare for for like a curse word should be used when you need it sure right and so to me that was like oh. He would say kisses a s if he wasn't on on t._v. Right right and to me is oh. He wants to fight me like that's how my mind works because if i cuss you like that i wanna fight there's no inbetween and so his at the time galen gordon <hes> he's a n._f._l. Network now he was the producer steven really tight and he he was having an event in new orleans that he invited me to naming stephen. It was tight so a call g. I say man i'm gonna beat emma ma and he's like laughing ours. Offsite auburn is about to go like i am dead syria. I said and the reason i called you. You was either. You're going to have to cancel your event clear the table. He's gonna be shit. Yeah i was <hes>. He told me i like he. I know what you know. I i know what i could kiss like okay but that's kind of like my point in saying like people forget like all he ever news every time he saw me. I was in a suit and i spoke certain way in these different things adult right like they they get that confused and so man. I'm going to get something to eat. Then i am a phone rings and i don't know the number and who's stephen a smith and so i think he says man he's like. I apologize for what i said. That was disrespectful and honestly like would a do like me. We like we ended up talking about hour and a half bow to do like me. Conversation could have been over yeah right. That was enough you you got on the phone you under stu stew trip. You understood what i had a problem with and now we're good i mean we ended up talking for for a long long time. Just about i'm alive i started like about being black and being in the business media like and there were things that he said to me that they own a phone that a conversation i was really you know born out of like an issue right. Born out of resentment really became far as like media goes probably one of the more helpful conversations. I've ever had just about about how to move how you're seeing. How how oh you have the represent how people that look like us. Expect us to treat and talk about them. It was just it was a conversation that they i don't need it to have to one hundred. They don't teach it to you at school. You don't do n._f._l. Bouquet you don't like it was it was legit a conversation of decades decades of experience and so like kind of having like having you know talk it it turned into do a relationship of respect when i respected him in the way he handled it analyzed also now knew that i was probably crazy so like what's in in in so now that he sees how much i actually respect the job yeah like how hard work at it and that's part of it to do. You are just doing this the percents he respected his craft. He's been part of it yet decorated. He's now. He's this is his next so now that he sees how i'll work like he's the most helpful fu they're to me like honestly love to hear. He's you know he's not one of those dues like i'm here and i got it. I don't want nobody else to get here and get it. Interesting is like there's enough space for all of us in our community which doesn't have rabbit crab baron crabbing a barrel because for a long time athletes focus because for a long time we have been made to feel or we've made ourselves feel like there isn't enough spots you know and so i think that's something in that. Each man has to be conscious about fixing but the way that that is fixed is stephen. Does it for ryan clark art right now ryan clark who's working get up with emmanuel acho eight man. You gotta do this or may ask him. Can you do this ask him. Can you do this because i know this is. How i came came up and i see a lot of a lot of things that you can work this way and like that's how it continues to happen because like that don't happen split leaving does it for me. Maybe i feel like oh. Hey maybe we don't tell people in this business the flip side of that then you shy away from trusting stephen as you get on air or maybe backstage melt buildup moham- being a credit being a man. Let listen. I went went over the line. Let me let's just wrap and you guys wrapping now. You guys are not on licenses but now he's. I just don't maybe a mentor to you know he. He says he likes taught me on t._v. Anytime i say something good he's like no. I'm the. I'm the mit student hey we gotta stephen and uh-huh. You're older than me. I get it. I wanna say this <hes> and i i mean i know we've talked a lot of stable football. We talk a lot about you. <hes> i've always admired you. You've people take because you're skinny and wear nice suits. They smile. You are so a bully an asshole but you are. You are honestly family to me. I mean i don't follow. Many people's lives on straight talk but a lot of guys. Do it'd be you follow. My wife be careful. Janka is fan. Even i mean time since jordan locker room. I've always seen him as nephew. I've always seen family are sees always amid a bully that i've actually liked and love 'cause you're just like is sure that i'll take that thank you but i also say you have done an amazing job and i and we have tried to barca's actually works at being better. You have actually carved elaine for guys who are black opinionated and came. I'm back up their mouth day man. You don't run run from the times because we live in a social media world. What people are afraid of twitter because of what the backlashes you stand up. You're educated your polish and you are example for me and a lot of other guys who want to make an example and carved their own niche edge without being the norm so i want to say that from the bottom of heart thank you. I'm in love you deaf anytime phone. Region name shows up. I actually the term wife. I'm gonna hey ryan called my wife's. Only matt ryan wants to see a cool is geez though he's from mississippi ryan. There's a relationship there so i just i just want to let you know he really means a lot to man. This is actually a different a different type of platform and we'll take us out bro yeah yeah thank you ryan clark for coming here. Pro bowler super bowl champion always still do right and superbowl champion ryan clark appreciate you being here. Servant served podcast all right willie. That was our interview with your former teammate super bowl champion ryan clark. How do you think that when it it went well man. I think it's important to you know we we highlighted how we wanted to get underneath the helmet and really get to know the man and everything he's been through ryan has been through so much talking about all being a guy who's looked over <hes> you talk about a guy who was cut from the giant land it with the steelers had to prove himself to a championship outfit and become a staple part of that outfit <hes> also you know really deal with two things that can sometimes played a man's character in his in his spirit here one losing one of his best friends in sean taylor and to <hes> almost losing his life because of sickle cell yeah <hes> so he's dealt with a lot. I think the fact that he's here. You're vibrant. Strong has beautiful son who's now playing for arizona state. <hes> would herm edwards and on top of that. He's kicking a lot ass and e._s._p._n. China china when you when you think about get up on the shows that he he's on he stands out so the man is resilient you his story is one of perseverance and i like the fact that you know impair. We believe in bully ball. He still has a bully spirit <hes> and so i love everything about that and <hes> i'm really happy and in excited that he was able to join us. What about the interview was when you see him on t._v. Like he is that like loud brash persona. He's unfiltered if you like even in this environment if it's possible he was more unfiltered because he didn't really have the restrictions of cable but he was just kind of a real dude like dave some great stories. I love the story with you and him kind of meeting. At the goal line in practice in two thousand six rose great story <hes> and just kind of him replacing chris hope kind of like that <hes> staple of their defense that had been with all the guys. It's just such a relatable situation for anyone going to you know not not even new football team but just a new job or a new school where you kind of struggle to fit in and he kind of had those issues as well in pittsburgh is just very interesting seeing his side side of the story from that from being the outcast being the new kids all of a sudden kind of being part of like you said that tribe it is try because you figure when he landed in pittsburgh piss were had just be to seattle seahawks in detroit <hes> that was your own businesses last game so if you're thinking about your new guy you're not gonna do this whole whole band of brothers because the the football band of brothers is a brotherhood <hes> but it's still cliqueish within net and the defense in pittsburgh very cliquish but it's just one big click so here's this new guy knocking on the door to say hey. I'm down with you guys. I'm ready ready to ride ready to be everything you need me to be an l. a. and you hear straight silence right and that could be so intimidating because everybody into your point no matter if you're applying for the job you want to be liked that you're able to do your job and that you're reliable and you're you you know if if your number's called bacon count on you he had to prove that and by the way he had just been cut yeah so it's it's it can be it can be it can be mentally tasking but <hes> he showed that he was. He's you know he's ready for the job. Oh by the way he played next toured bottom all his his insight with just having kind of not necessarily played with them but like been aware of ed reed there from you know <hes> around <hes> grew up near each other high school. You know he played with sean taylor. Who was his best friend with his untimely passing and then he played with troy palmolive just having taking a look at the golden age really is yes. He's really at the epicenter of that because he has experienced with each and every one of those guys all great so famous so very interesting insight. We really hope you guys enjoyed it. The first episode of surf inter interfere gimme good breeding and guys weekly episodes like this all year. Every thursday can't wait to continue this journey with you for steven shay. This is super bowl champion willie cologne see next as time were out surfing turf <music> <music>.

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Hour 3: Stan's Nuggets

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Hour 3: Stan's Nuggets

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Asher lingering odor, make the switch and. J U L dot com slash sports. Warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. Stanford Gundy in with us as he is Wednesdays during basketball season, we will get to his hot nuggets is hot basketball nuggets in your face in a second. But let's go around the room, and guess, you guys have a theory or a guess on where STAN Van Gundy sides in the Kyrie Irving debate. Where Murray's going for fifty at the end of the game all of a sudden Kyrie's flipping out about unwritten rules, and that you're not allowed to shoot. When the other team's not playing defense at guys trying to get to fifty do. We have some predictions here before I go to STAN Van Gundy on what STAN van Gundy's opinion is going to be on this. He's not happy with kyri, not happy with Kyrie. Why just because you can't be throwing balls into the stands? Okay gear. Do you have a theory here on which way, this is going to go? We did this on Instagram live. So I'm going to recuse myself. Okay. Mike Ryan, what about you? Both. Are wrong. Both are wrong both of the players Murray. And Kyrie Irving are wrong. That's my take that his that's going to be his take ROY. Do. You have a do. You have a guess. Yeah. He's going to side with Kyrie. Don't try to run up the score me. He's gonna crush Gamal Mary. All right. So now, we've got every option is taken. Let's see which one stand. Choose not every option. Someone wanted to say he's not gonna have a problem with it. It's cool across the board. All right. Well, that's another one of the options. All right stand. So which is it. Well, look, I mean Jamal Murray maybe shouldn't have taken the shot. But I don't like people crying about you know, guys running up the score and things like that. What kyri should have been upset about his the Jamal Murray got forty eight on him. And that they got their butts kicked. That's what should have upsetting the rest of that stuff is stuff. I'd never complained about Bobby Bowden. I think said it best when he was at Florida state the responsibility for not getting the score run up on. You is the team that's getting beat. So well, it's so strange. Kyrie Irving is reacting like an old person. Isn't he twenty six? Well, he's lucky he's frustrated. I get it. You know, everybody on that team. Anybody would be you know, you got beaten. You're good team in Boston season hasn't gotten off to his great start as you know. Like, you thought it would then you're getting beaten and the guy had a great game against you. You're frustrated. That's all it was. So I don't read too much into it. But you know, look he shouldn't shot it but come on. I mean, that's not the issue. The issue is we got to play better and get a win. Stan you say he shouldn't have shot that. But why not? I mean, it's Jamal Murray hasn't had much to be happy about over the last couple of years what I'm trying to get his fifty. I mean, why not get fifty? I mean, look again, I I wouldn't have if I was on the other side, I wouldn't have any complaints. But I would if that were my guy walking off the court, I wouldn't make a huge deal about it. I would just say look as something you don't do in that situation Dez Bryant has signed a one year contract with the saints Dez Bryant is going to be a Saint. But we segue seamlessly from that putting STAN van Gundy's nuggets in your face. And now time for STAN van Gundy's top NBA nuggets only Wednesday show. The bendy. Stan Van Gundy has had theme related nuggets. The last couple of weeks is this theme related or is this just a hodgepodge of free flowing nuggets. No, it's theme related again. Then. All right. Well, what are the three nuggets? Well, our theme today is NBA centers. And we'll start with a blast from the past the four fifty point games already this season from NBA players. Got me looking at the history of fifty point games in the NBA. Michael Jordan is second in NBA history with thirty one fifty point games. But the man who is I will Chamberlain had forty five fifty point games in one season one hundred eight as in his career wealth the stealth. Thank you for being useless as number two. Stan. Niccolo yokich. The Denver Nuggets center is currently tied with LeBron James for seventh in the NBA in assists at seven point seven a center has not been in the top ten in assists. Since Wilt Chamberlain was second in the league fifty one years ago. Joker and Wilton stealth that and the number one nugget from STAN Van Gundy this week is I'm gonna go with one of my former guys here last year. Andre Drummond became only the second player in the past twenty six years to average fifteen points and fifteen rebounds in season. Now, he is on pace to become the first player to do it in back to back seasons. Since Moses Malone forty years ago. Rahman maolin. Can you guys? Can you guys? Find for me. The worst fifty point scorer in the history of the sport teric rose. Is it Willie Burton Willie Burton willy Lertrat Tracy Murray? Who was a bench guy at his whole career? Got fifty actually the timber wolves have a bunch of weird fifty point scores mobile. Did it recently Derrick rose just did it and Corey brewer who I didn't think was capable of doing? It has a fifty point game. Maury brewer has a fifty point game. Wait a minute. He does not. Who did he get fifty against an guy guard named should be out of the league? Okay hero. Put on the poll. Blades is Mike. Ryan a dirty liar by claiming. That brewers still scored fifty Darren Williams. Tarran williams. Williams was good now for a long time. Well, what's the most surprising that Dana Barros Alonzo Mourning? I I was there for those fifty it was against George Mira sun and Zo just kept running down the middle of the floor. Could not catch me. It was pretty bad. This one certain make sense Corey brewer scored fifty one points against the rockets in two thousand fourteen Corey brewers are shooting guard. It's offensive matchup. When James harden? Mike, would you be kind enough pleased to find for us Kevin Mikhail talking about how it is? The James harden went about getting him fired at every turn we will play that after this twenty three and me add we will play for you that sound of Kevin Mikhail talking about James harden on defense. I just want to make sure everyone knows that saints made an argument potentially for James harden being out of the league. That's right. That's what just happened. This. Hold that sun. Let's sell some ads. We will get to that sound of Kevin McHale telling what it was like coach James harden on defense in a second. I think smoking always affected my daily life because I was a closet smoker. It really sort of controlled my entire day. My boss is the one that recommended jewel. So I decided to give it a try. 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Alonzo Mourning scored fifties hall of Famer I understand, but again, two points at a time just was are scoring. Are you what I wasn't over scoring? It wasn't known as a score. Does here. Under rebound her. He could get fifteen free. Throws a game guy. What are you talking about? How were you comparing Tony Delk to Alonzo Horning in what world? Reggie Miller got one. So help me understand that stand. Give me the guy. Well, first of all before we get to stand. Let's play the sound of Kevin McHale talking about James harden. You coach James harden? Give us a good story of him. Not playing defense. Not just someone just punch you Kevin someone just walk into the room and punchy right in the stomach. On the defense event. Jesus guy would cut behind him and be laying it in and the classic was he look at the corner where his guy where he thought the guy was that was the new guy. Quotes. Just laughed at that. I feel like you're. Guy. Look at the corner. It'd be like an F. I would just go home. My goodness. So if you're just joining us stand Van Gundy suggested that the whoever was guarding brewers should be out of the league. And the person who was guarding. Brewer is Joe was James harden. So where are we on this list? Guillermo, how comprehensive is the list that you guys have put together of bad fifty point scorers in the history of the league. So we can get a comprehensive list out here in front of STAN Van Gundy and have him choose one once and for all he Banda we had to wait a minute KiKi four. Yeah. Sean could score. I mean, you know, what the problem is here. Right. You ask a bunch of like young people to identify mediocre players from the seven gots his Forty-six. Well, who had the lowest career scoring average of any of the guys who scored fifty has to be Terrence Ross. Terrence Ross is now in the ballpark. This is certainly a good one. What he did it for the raptors? Yeah. It was for the raptors Purvis short any kind of good. Yeah. Purpose could score. Yeah. I think one year he was actually in the top ten in the league in scoring where did due to Derrick rose stunned you the other day by putting up fifty. I'll absolutely everybody was stunned by that. I think you know, it's been a long road back for him. Now, he did average as recently as two years ago eighteen a game. But but nobody is seeing the D rose that we saw in that fifty point game in a long time. What do we have here? Tony delk. I wanna final nominee to who. Do you take? Tony delco. Willie Burton in terms of surprise fifty point scores Centric Sabaot could do that. Oh said could score now to come on. But he was like a put back jammer now. But he was he was a cutter, but he could really score. I mean to me the most surprising guy because he's just not a score is Corey brewer Kelly Puka Kelly could score to those guys were scores. His name. Dealt did average nine point one points per game for his career. I had a fifty point nine Tony Delk. Well, what what is Corey averaged first career. I mean, Cory probably that's probably a good season for Corey brewer who's like a regular starter. But he's known as a defendant is standing gun to hear alleging that that. He brewer is fewer than nine points a game. Is that what you're alleging is that? I don't know. I hope I'm asking. Making allegations eight point nine. There it is. So Corey brewer sneaking and what was Willie Willie Burton's career scoring average. It's going to be above that. I think how long did Willie Burton play though, he was a flash in the pan. This is a great question. Do we feel like we have an answer yet is if we nominate Corey brewer as worst fifty point score ever. Can anyone knock us out if Tony Delk can't knock us out who the hell is going to knock us out? The thing is Corey brewer is it good player. But just as a score, man. I mean, I can't imagine him getting fifty dollars. It was James harden. It goes right to the Kevin McHale story you were talking about. Because the one thing Corey is is a great cutter. And maybe he was just cutting behind James all night. I guess that's possible. Burton was ten point three points per game and for yeah. For his career. There was at one time in between in his career that he just went to Italy because he was that good. What was Tracy Murray? He'll be higher than nine point one. Is not the conversation. I was expecting to have today. But I'm happy that we're this is a big time basketball conversation. It really is worse. Fifty point score in history. I feel like we have we have really gone through the bottom rungs of this nine points a game for Tracy Mary. So you're right there you see Murray as another one whose beating out both Tony Delk and brewer Charles Smith was always not beating now brewer, no he's not Bruce Bruce Mann brewers at eight point nine Corey brewer out there in the five seconds after you mentioned it I wouldn't this game. Where's my credit? Mike Ryan win this game. With Corey brewer. Did he end the game with Corey brewer, I refuse to believe? It somebody's got to be able to come up with worse than Corey brewer gear mo-. How is it that you always wave your flag of ignorance, you have no idea who KiKi Vandeweghe is? You don't know. You just so proudly wave your flag. You just wanted to say KiKi Vandeweghe too. Yeah. It's a funny name. You can't kick him into way. Actually, he's a story of great perseverance KiKi Vandeweghe becoming a score with that name is one of the great achievements in American sport, Walt Wesley. Oh what he do. He averaged eight point five in his career. And he scored fifty and a game while Leslie list tells me that yes. Wow. What year was Walt Wesley playing. What year was that? He made his debut in nineteen sixty six I got to see what he fifty points. Can't believe Kobe's on this list. Are you going to nominate him for the worst guy that yes, scored fifty? No, I'm not gonna go that far on the list of few times. Well, it's on the last one hundred eighteen one hundred and eighteen it is incredible five times in one year. I mean, it's and then you look second on the list Horton, thirty one times in his career. That is really amazing. When you think about that? Here's the thing on that year. That's really amazing is he averaged fifty point four points led the league in rebounding, and he was not the MVP. Average fifty at twenty five I think he's not the MVP Bill. Russell was actually three straight years. He led the league in scoring and rebounding in that stretch that was the middle year of three straight years leading the league in scoring and rebounding and not being the MVP in any of those years Sharieff Abdurahim had a run if I go back in time, and I make STAN Van Gundy eylau him to draft between Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell they're coming out in the same draft. And they're one two who was standing Gundy drafting, I'm taking will. That's a shocking claim is it not is that not it will not people throughout history. Tell you the Bill Russell is the greatest winter ever. And even though he was two hundred and twenty pounds, and it would have been like Scot Pollard. Trying to cards Shaquille O'Neal. I think that what you're saying. There is something that the majority of the audience would object to is it not it is, you know. And look I have the utmost respect for Bill Russell. And I think he changed the game defensively. He was a great winner. He was unselfish. He was a better offense if player than people giving credit for all of that. But but just take a look at the guys he played with literally every guy he ever played with with the Celtics is in the hall of fame every guy, you know, and Chamberlain played on some good teams. But he actually played with a few guys who didn't make it into the hall of fame. I mean, Russell I don't know if he ever took the floor for more than like, ten minutes with a guy who didn't end up in the hall of fame. So yeah, he was a great way. Winner. And I don't know why he gets all the credit for that. It's not like these other guys were role players. These other guys were hall of famers. I mean, it's incredible. And yet he's gotten all the credit from the winning standpoint that part, I don't get donlevatar. Nobody in my life has as many unlikable traits. Who I still like as to God's? Stugatz. Would you have taken a vague gun? No pay cuts. Please. Hell you talk to these live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. Guests on the Dan lebatardshow appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Here's your sportscenter update. The saints of signed Dez Bryant to a one year deal. Troy Aikman says the Cowboys need a complete overhaul the entire organization. And finally Newsweek she has a story about a Delta Airlines passenger that was allegedly told that he could either sit in a seat that was covered with feces or be left behind. Matthew Mehan said that after boarding a flight he quickly discovered feces on the seat floor and wall of the play after sitting in the mess. He said the crew gave him to paper towels and a bottle of gin to wipe it off in the lavatory. What are you emerge expecting this eat to disinfected the flight was still boarding as normal? He said he was told that's not our responsibility some of the gate needs to take care of that. We are in the middle of an act of boarding. We are busy. If you want you can get off the plane and talk to somebody. He said he spoke to a manager. She said if the cleaning crew didn't do their job. That's not my problem may have asked. Can we get that cleaned up? So I could sit down she replied, sir. It's almost time for the plane to leave. You could sit in your seat or you could be left behind me until ABC. He was forced to remain seated and place a blanket of the mess after landing. The passenger published photos of the feces covered shoes on Facebook and hit out at the air lot. It's a long story guys. And that's gross for all the latest headlines information, tune into sports center on ESPN radio all throughout the day, nasty, what the hell happened in that seat before that guy got to that seat. That's a great question. I mean, what happened that that story was a long story, but it brings up more questions than it answers who the hell left that seat in that condition. And what happened to that person? Sorry about them. So STAN Van Gundy is with us as he is on Wednesdays, and he's been looking up Bill. Russell stats all break because he's decided that the place to the hill the die on is the public ripping of Bill Russell come on. It's not even close to them. I was asked me tween Russell and Chamberlain. That's all that was it. All right. Well, you, but then you went on a crusade during the break looking up things that would disparage Bill Russell. So what are they? No. I wasn't trying to disparage. I was just backing up my point that he played with a lot of hall of famers. Most of whom I knew off the top of my head a couple that I didn't so red are back was his coach in the hall of fame and ten players. Bob Cousy John havilcek Casey Jones Sam Jones. Andy, phillip. I don't really remember very well. Frank Ramsey Bill. Sharman Tom Heinsohn. Bailey Howell and Arnie rising. So ten ten hall of famers in the what fourteen years he played there? That's a lot of talent around you. So that was my only point and those guys are I guess not winners. They just you know, one because they had Bill Russell will. Maybe he made them all the famers. Let me ask you. This is the argument that people will make no the argument I'd make is the one standing Gundy's making which is that clearly Bill. Russell was Robert ory. You know, the one thing here is you guys will take any comment to ridiculous links. Right. Well, let me ask you this though. And if the Celtics had taken Wilt Chamberlain instead of Bill Russell just put him on opposite teams Chamberlain have all the rings. It's either greatest winner of all time. I think he would be. Yes. Okay. This is shocking content. It really is. It's about seventy years late, but we would have been killing torture. Trading stilts radio in the sixties in early seventy. I mean, we would have been crushing it with this argument right here better will or Bill Russell there. I mean, the fun to be had is to just look at Wilt Chamberlain stats like just certain seasons. Oh, it's ridiculous. I mean, there's a year here, and it wasn't. It wasn't even close to his best year where he averaged twenty four points twenty four rebounds, eight assists, the game on sixty eight percents. I'm of the belief stand that we are presently. I mean, he won one with Cleveland. But I thought we were living the wilt years in real time with LeBron never winning. Lebron LeBron losing a lot more than he was winning at the end. I thought we were going to have a hard time explaining to our grandchildren. How it is. Lebron kept losing in the final. Well, then what he did. And it was it was good. So LeBron win and played with he hooked up with two other hall of famers to win in Miami. But then he came back to Cleveland and got to the finals four times and and one one. You know with two other hall of famers, probably Kevin love. I'm not sure. But he's probably going to be pretty close and Kyrie. So look at takes talent. It's everybody that was really my only point is to give one person the credit for the winning is is a little bit crazy. And and we'll get back to wilt and what stugatz was talking about. So people will try to downplay that fifty point season, it was a different time and everything else, and it was no question. But the second place guy in scoring that year was twelve points behind him. We've never seen anything even close to somebody leading the league by twelve points a game. I think the next most is is six so he dominated the league in his time more than anyone else has ever dominated in their time as we'll Chamberlain guy was good. Why did he only win two titles weird? It doesn't make sense to me Russell as I'm discovering gradient. No, you hit it right on the head Bill. Russell. Right. Your argument he'll Russ well Bill Russell and ten hall of famers. Muscle took the court. The other four guys were hall of fame. He'll rustling earning. Hindsight whatever they come on great semi and Tommy Heinsohn still going, man. I mean these announcing now, but he's still going Stu gods. And okay that is STAN men Gundy telling you, the Tommy Heinsohn is still living that was. Instill going and Comey Heinsohn still thank you as an answer. Still does not think that any call made against the Boston Celtics. And that's correct. Hear more put it on the poll is Tommy Heinsohn still going. I you stand. Can you you in Stu gods are in a fundamental disagreement on Bryce Harper. So let me let me have you guys have it out here, Stu gods? Just give give STAN Van Gundy. Your opinion on Bryce Harper who you called a bad baseball player a couple of seasons ago. I did I called them a bad baseball player. I still don't think he's a great baseball player. I certainly stand don't think that he is worth a four hundred million dollar contract. I just don't like he hasn't listened. He's had good seasons. He's had good moments. But consistently Bryce Harper is not been the player. We all thought Bryce Harper was going to be. And there's no way if I'm a team, I'm giving that guy four hundred million dollars. Well, I'm not gonna argue on the four hundred million. I don't know that I'd give that to anybody that you can only hit, you know, once every two or three innings. It's not like basketball where we can give him the ball every time down but as far as being overrated look at the the guys right now active. Live with nine hundred or better. You know, you've got trout, then you've got three guys in the twilight of their career vodka Cabrera and pool halls Paul Goldschmidt thirty Giancarlo Stanton who's three years older than Harper. And then Harper at twenty five he's the youngest guy on the list. This guy's one of the best players in baseball batting average. We should learn by now is not a big thing. This guy led the league in walks last year. He's a guy who gets on base. He hits with power. Those are the things people are paying for. Now. I'm not saying he's worth four hundred million dollars. But I am saying he's not the least bit overrated. I mean, he is though at Santa I know you're not paying attention to average, but he was to forty nine and coming off a season in which he was under nine hundred zero P S is not the time to be asking for four hundred million dollars off a two forty nine season and eight eighty nine P S get out of here. Yeah. But I mean, we've got the same thing with with Giancarlo Stanton. Coming off the same type of year. You got a guy like yellow? Who's going to be an MVP candidate who had a great year this year? He's a year older than than Harper. And he's got an eight thirty eight career. Opie s I mean, he's right there with Stanton who's three years older. I mean, this guy is one of the top players in the game is my point this idea that Bryce Harper's not one of the elite players in baseball will not stand up to scrutiny. Not that you would ever give it scrutiny Stu guys out opinion would be or you put it on the poll is guts, medically allergic scrutiny. This is unbelievable. I believe that STAN could be hosting intentional talk. We need sands baseball analysis was so inter galactically better than yours. Really? I mean, yell at seven years forty nine million dollars. That's what you pay. I mean, that's that seems fan. Four hundred million standing my baseball to you. Wait, he said he wouldn't give him the four hundred million dollars sitting here waving around though batting average and overrated a couple of years ago. Let me explain to you the source of these routes per STAN he had Bryce Harper and fantasy and he was mad at Bryce Harper's production. And so he just called him a bad player bed yet. Art that right? There is Stu gods. The beginning and end of his journalist journalistic ethics support for the Dan lebatardshow podcast comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Let's talk about buying a home for a minute because of rising interest rates. 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So Dez Bryant is a Saint one year contract is being pointed out by some of the astute on Twitter that the saints have an assistant general manager named Jeff Ireland that person you might know that name from its primary fame, which is asking Dez Bryant if his mother was a prostitute. So Dez Bryant is reunited with the man who asked him if his mother was a prostitute. That is some awkward. Hallway situations in New Orleans coming our way at eight debt. I think the saints prepared to offer them the rest of this season and next season and desert. No just this season. I want to prove to everyone that I could still play and then become a free agent again after this. I mean, it's good for everybody. Right. 'cause drew Brees will just do nothing. But throw the ball right at his face mask. And it won't matter. If does Brian is actually open or not, you know, we can he's got good hand. Right. Perfect. It's perfect for him. Like he might trick people into thinking still good because any second receiver in that offense is going to go crazy. If drew Brees decides he's going to throw it to him rive at pretty amazing their skill position guys when you add that they already good to begin with with Kamara and Ingram and Michael Thomas and now yet Dez Bryant, I don't know if Dez Brian is any good usually guys who are gonna go to playing. So I don't know the whole league told you that he wasn't very good. The whole league told you they weren't willing to pay him. But as you just pointed out drew Brees as a way of making you look very, very good. Yes. That's the thing. So standing the in with us every Wednesday, and we. Got breaking news something about Stetson university. I I was stunned to read this news. You're going to be able at Stetson university to walk into a classroom auditorium and their learn what get wisdom about about. I don't know. What from STAN Van Gundy? Professor, STAN Van Gundy. Really? Yes. Are you like how does this? How does this work how to get fired van gun? Van gun. Fires. That could be one. I teach a class one night a week for three hours. I think that might take up a class I've been fired enough to get three out curriculum. What is the standing on the I would love to be a student at Stetson? How many how many students are there in the class like what what's going to happen here? It's a seminar course for upper level students in the business department. They have a sports business minor. So it's it's those in the seminar. So it'll be fifteen or sixteen students tops, and it's just basically contemporary issues in sports. So just things they would have to deal with with they were in in sports business while the professor the professor STAN Van Gundy with us unreal. As PIN radio. I can we like watch this class. Is this going to be absolutely not this? This is in. This is actually a class isn't open for ridicule. Win ridicule. It. I have no idea why that. You don't know us at all. Sit in on a seminar for three hours of learning. Business from Stanford fired seminars come on, I'll tell you. What Dan I'll bring you up. And because we do have a we do have a clash session on sports broadcasting and journalism, you can come up and be our guest speaker. All right. I'll give speech how to steal thirty five million from the piston. Sports journalism. Teach them that part. I'm gonna teach them that you have teach of how to steal your mate. Guest speaker stealing STAN has. Doing stealing money. That'll be your most popular seminar. We will have people trying to get into the auditory. And where you're teaching the handicap is his right next to my house. Let's update the polls at lebatardshow on Twitter and Instagram before I do that. We wanna thank STAN Van Gundy for giving us the straight taught today brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones. Best networks, no contracts at lebatardshow on Twitter. Do you miss breaking bad? 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Looked like do you think we can have a Stu gods class at the university of Miami outside of the fact, the professor would never show up trying to be problematic or he'd be Skyping in from some place else. Like, what are you imagine? What are you magin a Stu gods tutorial class at the university of Miami? 'cause whereof that age now where they just give classes to people who are old as evidenced by STAN Van Gundy, where Stu gods is actually of the age now where he's been incompetent long enough that he could absolutely teach people not unlike the way that he taught them in the sky. School of fraud cast. Thank you. Then. I need a good TA though. Because I'm not showing up. I mean, it depends where the class is. If it's at the school that stands teaching that'll be Billy. I feel like fakes to God's teach the class on the days that's through. 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Morning Joe 12/3/19

MSNBC Morning Joe

54:10 min | 10 months ago

Morning Joe 12/3/19

"We don't aren't here to talk about impeachment or the president of the United States. We're here to talk about I have a rule of of Co.. Dell's US when we travel abroad. We don't talk about the president in negative way. I think it's very unpatriotic of the Democrats to put on a performance. Where they do that I do I think it? I think it's a bad thing for our country. Impeachment wasn't supposed to be used that way. What do you have to do is read the transcript? You see there was absolutely nothing wrong. Legal Scholars Look at the transcripts. The other day and these are absolutely perfect. Trump is regularly uses the word those concept of those calls that we've made two of them were absolutely perfect calls and I think it's very bad thing for our country doesn't cast twelve. Does than the Democrats have done a great disservice to the which they have. Wow there you see the house speaker abiding by the water's edge drool opting not to talk domestic politics while overseas in Spain. The president in London not so much good morning and welcome. Mika I mean and we just we can't let that go without the president just once again acted like a clown on the international stage. First of all you. Oh you're talking about just in the past hour and of course this is the same president who used the crosses of Normandy to attack. Nancy Pelosi to attack Jack political rivals. This is the same president who used congressionally approved foreign aid. Military aid to a democratic country invaded by Vladimir Putin once again to try to impact in domestic politics and of course you know everybody across the world all the snickering when the president said we had legal scholars looking at these transcripts transcript and they said there's perfect what what were the names of those legal scholars dollars. I would love to know I would love to know where these legal scholars who say those calls were absolutely perfect are employed this morning because they don't think they exist us and one of the legal scholars came up and said Sir I really think sir. That was a perfect call. Sir You know Sir I used to go to. Paris are but they don't go to Paris and I mean this guy again. Everybody in the world knows he's lying and he's representing us on the world stage this morning greats Richaud it's painful but also really damaging and we'll get to. Why along with Joe Willie in me? We have professor at Princeton University. Eddie Glut junior former summer treasury official and morning Joe Economic Analysts Steve Rattner. He's come with charts and president of the Council on Foreign Relations and author of the book a World World in disarray. Richard Haass and Joe Richards. Here talk about a lot of things but it's hard not to think about the impact act. President is having on the world stage to our national security pretty much every time he opens his mouth getting in fights with everybody gets in fights with other people sally decides to push his tariff wars trade wars even more which of course taxes working class Americans. Sir Hey before we get there though. I wanted to talk to Willie Willie you remember. I think it was three years. I don't remember how long we were in imprisoning Turkey but remember remember we just desperately all we wanted and again. What is the key to the jail cell inside that K.? That's all we wanted right. God knows we tried to get. Yeah every way possible. I'm not going to go into the details carrying. This is a family show but Willie Eddie cloud aloud. He didn't have to even bribe anybody and he got the key to his hometown. It's unbelievable in Mas Point Mississippi and you know most point. It's just such an incredible. We our families time there. It's it's a wonderful place but how exciting is mother was able to be with him along with Americaine. How exciting just just is? Is that something. That's so cool edit so your mom on stage with you there. They gave you the key to the city. What was that moment like? Well it was. It's surreal right. Now is only imagine Josiah coach she. She's watching right now to see your photo on morning. Joe She's probably smiling Bigger smile than that. So you know. I love my hometown. I'm a child of Moss Point Mississippi and to receive that honor of. It's the best thing that I've received up to this point in my life. Tell us what moss point is like. We're kind of town. Is it a small town on the coast of Mississippi where Moss dangles from Magnolia trees. That has the best seafood on the planet. And of course it's the place where the the best the the best woman in the world lives in my mom. She must contain Ratner and he has keys to all right so I got side mansions and like you know. It's it's it's very. It's moving to just as moving to see him us. All of the keys at moss point sounds pretty good right all right I. I think I'M GONNA take over here and we'll head into what's actually going on right now. and general thoughts big takeaways. The president has been speaking in London. And so far Richard. Haass your concerns. Your takeaways person has a unique style of going into summits even before this summit began Introducing new tariffs against France so essentially escalating trade war with them also unilaterally introducing new tariffs against two countries. He's in Latin America for allegedly devaluing or artificially manipulating their currencies. When there's no evidence they were doing doing that this is an administration? That's that's essentially sanctions happy and tariffs happy. They loved the economic instruments farm policy. They don't not so much diplomacy not so much the use of military force force and I think the largest story in Europe is To use my favorite word or Europe or NATO disarray president went after macro this morning to some extent. Israeli move crawling had a really unfortunate interview with the Economist. Two weeks ago calling NATO brain dead. But there's real divisions Turkey real divisions about how to deal with Russia. Shaw President keeps hammering the Europeans for not spending enough on defense. But essentially. We're seeing this this alliance that was pivotal to Liberal Kenny. Nited states in the West through the Cold War for four decades increasingly. There's no consensus consensus politically as always the foundation of of an alliance and and the president has to use the word of the day. Very transactional approach to lions rather than thinking about strategic purpose. He constantly has a a ledger and basically ask are others paying enough rather than rather the on saying whether we are getting enough out of it which is something which is something very different. But the question isn't isn't there transitional situation in Europe as well because macron's stepping back mccraw. Sorry I've spent stepping back macron is trying to assert himself as kind of the pneumatic Europe. he is. The problem is France alone is not strong enough to do it. And France doesn't have a European originally was GONNA be Germany. Merckel said no thanks circle earlier is essentially over as you say and you know with. The Brits essentially I think Brexit is almost a foregone conclusion now given the the election on December twelve the ill liberalism seeing Hungary and Poland the crazy government in Italy. Europe is going through actually the single most difficult moment since the foundations allegations of modern Europe after World War Two. But but you know Willie again I it seems every political move Donald Trump makes on the world stage benefits Vladimir Putin here. We have him once again. going to a NATO summit once again attacking NATO allies is once again undermining alliance that it was actually put together for the purposes of holding Russia and Russia expansion in check and on top of that he started even more trade wars when the terror of taxes that he's imposed on working in class Americans Is really starting to be felt in this economy. We've got a manufacturing recession for the first time in a decade and every economist Says that's because of the tariff wars. He said it was these trade wars. Were easy it's proving to be just the opposite and yet here. We are this warning with the president expanding those trade wars even more and a time when these alliances are frayed. Anyway as Richard said when Europe shaky on its own the president coming in and shaking it up a little more. There is some irony in president trump's criticism although it may be well founded as Richard Said of Matt Krohn saying macron's being disrespectful full to NATO which has been the role of president trump through the years including up until about yesterday. Let's go to London. Carolis live outside parliament there where the president is spending some time today. He'll have tea with Prince Charles and Camilla it'd be a group event at Buckingham Palace. Carol what is the president's posture. Obviously he's got impeachment on his mind. Easy sits there with leaders from across Europe in the world. Yes he does and he's had it on his mind since really he got on the plane Last night and he excreted as soon as he got here about impeachment. We heard him today. Talked for almost an hour. Worry more about a number of times talked about impeachment. I think the thing that was is quite striking was the way that he kind of role reversed on NATO a little bit where he's the one saying. Oh NATO's agile and it's defending the the alliance that he's as as you said criticized really since he came into office and even when he was a candidate Any did it though really obviously just go after Emmanuel macron who he he had very sharp words for it and said that his comments were nasty so there is not a lot of irony there And now he's GonNa head into other meetings but the whole time we'll see him a meeting with world leaders press conference tomorrow and all the while impeachment. It's going to be hanging over this all right charolais thank thank you very much At this point I'm it's hard not to be incredibly embarrassed watching him speak on the world stage With the French president. It's an too I feel like does his best to try and make it palatable. Conversation was but there's a context here which is the French president one after NATO and it's right after the president did the change of policy in Syria and what this was actually going back almost forty fifty years to do goal. What you basically have is a French president who who is saying we can no longer trust the United States if the president could do that in the Middle East? Why can't he do that in? Europe is very different views of Putin and so forth. So what we're seeing being in some ways of the old fissures within the Western alliance so the President Macron Macron's essentially trying to lead a more independent Europe because he believes France could no longer count on the United States. Gums depends because trump has become much more unreliable much more unpredictable that's the backdrop to this is essentially a drifting reasoning running between the United States and Europe war. There's simply no trust across the Atlantic and the imposition of these new tasks will only add fuel to the fire. Well you know Willie this. This is nothing new a couple of years ago it was angle markle who said sadly we can no longer count on the United States for our defense ounce we can no longer count on the United States for leadership she said that of course after Donald Trump spent his first few summits in Europe trashing alliances and moving closer actively Amir Putin and so yes if macron is stepping into the role that Angela Merkel Hell for several years. He's only repeating what she she said a few years ago. And what every leader in Europe knows now and that is you can't count on Donald Trump and Boris Johnson. Supposed to be. His ally is closest the Allies in Europe. Boris Johnson tell him. Hey Hey do me a favor trump. Stay away from me. You might hurt me because you so. Aided in Great Britain written yeah and it was interesting. President trump has in an uncharacteristic way. Sort of stayed away from Boris Johnson. And what's going on with him in the last couple of days said I'll let him worry about his internal politics. I'm not going to weigh in on that which hasn't been his posture in the past. But Eddie I don't know how if you're merckel or mccrone you could feel any other way than what Joe just described. Grab that you can't count. And President Trump valley based on his rhetoric but based on his approach to alliances which is how much are you paying what the United States financially. Getting out of this deal. I mean. It's a reasonable conclusion to draw that you can no longer trust the United States under the leadership of Donald Trump. All the evidence suggests that that is in fact a justifiable position into reach. And then what was even more striking to me. Beyond the kind of response to McCall. Is that there was a question asked by Washington reports Washington Post reporter Puerto About Kashogi in terms of in terms of Donald Trump's talk about Saudi Arabian deployment of troops and Donald. Trump did not answer the question he pivoted to the question of Iran ran. He's going to meet with all of the evidence all of the comments in that a presser revealed to me. Donald Trump. As we've no it's just not committed to the post World War Two consensus that world. That was built up. He's not committed to. And so it makes sense to me. That McCall and others. Don't look to the United States for leadership anymore right. That's the point that the Europeans are on their own. And they're going to have to wait through the way. Find your way through on the problem they have is. They've got a lot of transitions going on themselves. Popularity's incredibly week. Merckel is going to be leaving Italy's mess and so on and so forth and it's very hard to recreate some kind of a European force out of all that and today back in the nine nine states. The House Intelligence Committee is expected to vote on the impeachment. Report members of the committee can now review the document and Intel chairman. Adam Schiff says it will also be released to the public at some point today if the committee votes to adopt the report it will be sent to the Judiciary Committee at the same time chairmanship chairmanship also told. MSNBC last night that his panel's investigation of the President doesn't stop after tonight's vote. That's not the the end of our investigation So even while judiciary does its work we will continue investigating. We're continuing to issue. Subpoenas continued to learn new information. That work goes on. Meanwhile House Republicans are hitting back with their own minority report arguing. That Democrats have failed to establish that President Don trump committed any impeachable offenses. A copy of the one hundred twenty. Three page report says this. Despite their best efforts the evidence and scattered during the Democrats partisan one-sided impeachment inquiry doesn't does not support that president trump pressured Ukraine to investigate his political rival rival to benefit the president in the twenty twenty presidential election. The evidence does not establish any impeachable offense. The House Intel Chairman Adam Schiff had back at the GOP report writing in part tellingly. The minority dismisses this as part of the president's outside the beltway thinking it is more accurately outside the law and constitution and a violation of his oath of office. And Joe. I just. I'm trying to envision that picture of the Republicans Republicans putting together House Republicans putting together that report. You would have to literally really put on blinders to write it that way. You actually would just go into it. Going guys. Guilty as hell. He's he's as is guilty as hell. We can't argue the facts because the facts on on our side. We can't argue the law because laws not on our side we just have to argue and and that's all they've been doing. They've been making fools of themselves over the weekend. They have been adopting as we said Vladimir. Putin's talking points talking points that the intelligence community warn them was part of a Russian propaganda effort but they were so desperate to defend the president of the United States instead of the United States of America itself that they actually pushed pushed these talking points which I think Willie I it. Just it begs the question at this point in the proceedings the Democratic Party and Nancy Pelosi and I certainly understood this they. They wanted to narrow the focus to Ukraine. They wanted to do that to keep it simple. President clearly violated his oath of office. And what he did. It was easily proven. It's been proven over the past several weeks. He committed bribery. He bribed a foreign leader. Said listen I will actually give you four hundred million dollars in military aid but you have to give me dirt on my political upon it. He got caught red-handed th Republicans. Aren't doing anything about that. So the the question is this if they're going to act in such bad faith that they're now assets of Russia using again Vladimir the mirror Putin's propaganda that the intel communities all seventeen intel agencies have struck down why not expand this impeachment inquiry. Wiry why not bring up the illegal payoff to stormy Daniels a week or so before the election. That has a man sitting in jail who helped workers because straight that illegal payoff because that illegal payoff would have landed. Any senator would've landed. Any member of Congress would have landed any candidate for for any federal office and the Federal Penitentiary. So why don't they expand it to those illegal acts to the ten acts in the Mullahs report that very clearly laid out obstruction of justice. Why why not side show the American people before breath and the full scope of Donald Trump's corruption especially coming on the heels of an attorney general trying to run roughshod over an inspector general's upcoming report attorney? General who's lied to Congress already committed. I mean there is nothing but lawlessness and this administration shouldn't the United States Congress go on record and really really show the American people the full width of this. This corrupt corrosive administration. Well the Democrats in the house. The plan had I've been to get a vote before the end of the year. That's going to be tough now already. Based on schedule that they've laid out judiciary bringing some more witnesses and now they're starting putting his chapter in this story so maybe they do decide to open it up at this point because that one hundred twenty three page document put out by Republicans now enshrines and and confirms what we've heard from them all along which is that they are going to look the other way. Come hell or high water the idea that you could sit and listen to those two weeks of testimony from nonpartisan partisan officials many of whom work in the trump administration many of whom were appointed by the trump administration. And think that nothing went wrong here. There was nothing to see here that they concede no points that he didn't do anything wrong. Then that's just willful. And you have a group of people who are sitting and listening to that testimony Obviously with their minds made up. We knew that when we would hear Devin Nunes is opening statements that the mind was made up but these are not people who are going to be swayed. There were not people. Perhaps who are ever ever going to be swayed. People in the Senate that we see out talking publicly Senator John Kennedy again yesterday waving op eds from politico and other sources saying no. It is Ukraine that metal despite all the evidence from the Intel agencies despite Fiona hills warning to the congressman in that room that that was a conspiracy theory that it was irresponsible ensemble to chase that conspiracy theory the idea Joe that Republicans could have sat in that room or watched on television if they weren't on the committee for those two weeks and listen to those as witnesses and conclude in one hundred twenty three pages that there was nothing to see here is preposterous and it tells us what we probably knew all along which is that they were never. I'm GonNa vote for impeachment in the first price and their takeaway meek is this Their takeaway after two weeks of damning testimony. Ah One The only way they defend the president is by but I again using propaganda from Russia that seventeen intel agencies. It's he's of struck down and that the Intel community actually warned them not to use said that Vladimir Putin has been using it for two years. That's one of their defense. This their second defense is saying that is is pointing to polls that show a majority of Americans want Donald J trump impeached and removed from office. Fifty percent of Americans want him impeached and removed from office. Bill Clinton at the height of impeachment in the late ninety s only twenty nine percent wanted him removed so so Republicans have Nell legs to stand on legally or or factually and if they're going to show such bad faith they're actually leading Vladimir Putin send their talking points I think. 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My questions about this aboard his no Malarkey. Bus Tour of Iowa yesterday Biden told reporters that Obama's backing is not needed. Even if he is we're on the last Democratic candidates standing just backing up a little bit no malarkey that work I mean I kind of like being I think I guess what is Malarkey. You know what I stayed word for BS. Yeah why can't say no. I don't Irish so so so I think actually is a fantastic campaign slogan for for Cork and like nineteen fifty. Yeah he's just Gracie's owning it then is just like he's in. I'm a fifty guy. I go around saying things that dude's in their mid eighty say yes he is owning. He's putting it on the side of his by. Listen I I it's okay I listen and I'm a big believer and you know you'd be be true to yourself and if he's if that if that makes it more comfortable the campaign trail so be Djeddai Right which of course if I ever run a campaign. That's what I'm going to have on the side of Mike. Okay great picture of the emperor ad that it's a message. That's what I say to my kids. Every time they talk back to me okay so now. It's the story when asked about a political politico report. That Obama Said said the former vice president quote really doesn't have it when it comes to connecting with voters Biden replied quote. He may have said that. And if it's true and he said it there's truth to it. Biden told Bloomberg News that he was the one during their successful campaigns who was sent to key states aids such as Pennsylvania and Colorado to energize voters Biden also dished about his fellow twenty twenty democratic opponents. Scoffing at the notion Shen. That's Senator Elizabeth. Warren is building enthusiasm and accusing mayor. Pete Buddha judge of stealing his healthcare plan. Okay all right. Let's bring in the CO founder of access. Jim vanda Hi Jim. Somebody apparently spiked Joe Biden's milk of Magnesia guy. You're on a roll this morning. Joe No no not call it no no no Malarkey Lad. Nobody talk we'll ever know malarkey exchange here so I think Biden sees a couple things happening one with Elizabeth Warren. He feels feels like she made an epic mistake in endorsing Medicare for all without an option to keep your private insurance. So he's going to keep the foot on the gas and going after her are when people whom he sees the biggest threat in terms of somebody who could win over moderates and centrists. He knows that Buddha judge has a massive problem with African American voters particularly in South Carolina but certainly even in polls nationally and so he has every reason to be a little bit more aggressive and try to wide neck gap between. We've him and Buddha judge him in Elizabeth. Warren and I think he's also a little irritated right like if you think about Bloomberg getting into the race Bloomberg basically called him early on and essentially promised he wasn't GonNa get in the race if Biden was in there and now Bloomberg's in there. And he's going to spend gobs of money and that money's aimed at people biden. I didn't think that he should be able to win. So I think a little bit of this offensive. A little bit of his defensive in in terms of the Obama -dorsements him saying he doesn't need it. It doesn't really matter because he's not. I can get it. I think Obama's been very clear that he's not gonNA endorse anybody until it's Democrat versus Republican race so Jim what about the Biden strategy. How are they feeling right now? which seems to be that? Yeah we're not doing great in the polls early in Iowa New Hampshire but those states aren't representative and come. Nevada comes South Carolina then rolling into Super Tuesday. We're going to be fine sitting right where we wanna be will win big. The argument goes in South Carolina. And that'll change the conversation. Do they worry. Though that if people to jeter Eh Lisbeth Warner Bernie. Sanders takes those first two states. They're in a tough hole to start off with Biden believes right now is that he probably is more confident now than he was three or four weeks ago he feels like his theory of the case is proving to be stronger than the other at the party's not as liberal is Elizabeth. Warren thinks it is that the voters in those early states are not as liberal as she is Bernie Sanders. He thinks Buddha judge a rookie. Who can't win minority votes? And so he feels he feels like he is better position than the other four. What you said is the most likely scenario that in this first four races? There's probably going to be a mix of winners and that's why Michael Bloomberg's in this race by the way Bloomberg thinks it's going to be a hot mess. People are going to win a state to state there and then it's going to be wide open heading into that Super Tuesday and he's going to do what billionaires do he's GonNa suspend that he's going to pour a ton of money into ads maybe more than all the other candidates combined. They're all going to be about him as as Mr Fixit and Mr Predictable Award and hope that he can throw himself into the mix and he had a bad entry listened to start in the polls at three or four or five percent is not great but he has spent now thirty forty fifty million whatever every he spent and there is a slight uptake in the two. Polls that you saw yesterday. He's now at five six percent and the question is can he move up. I'm skeptical because he just seems like he's too centrist and to probably New York City for the Democratic Party this looking for something new. But he's betting his reputation in some ways. Betting is news organization on it. Steve Rattner. Obviously you've been very close there for some time we'll just put that out there right now But but since he's he's gotten into the race there has been. There's been a shift at least the last two weeks of November and the first tweak December of course only thing that matters is what happens in February and beyond but for now at least most candidates and even campaigns campaigns are starting to realize that the Democratic Party that the Democratic base does not look like democratic twitter. That it's more like Mike the Democratic Party. That Reverend Al Talks about which is which is a conservative with a small C Democratic Party. That actually looks down upon what reverend at what we used to call limousine liberals. But what Reverend Al and a lot of people call lots of liberals. It is a centrist party. which should be a shock because because every poll over the past two years has shown that Democrats want a more centrist candidate then they do a progressive? Yes all things Joe I saw. It's not a coincidence that Mike Bloomberg waited till this relatively last minute to now see is you know he thought about it back in the Spring and thanks conclusion back in the spring was that there were too many strong candidates and it really wasn't room for him in the mix as this all unfolded a bit along the lines of what really was going through or Jim. This gets much more complicated. Because the moment Biden's polling fourth or fifth in New Hampshire an Iowa we all know that no Democrat has been nominated without win at least one of those two states and most of the successful ones and won both except for Bill Clinton in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. When Tom Harkin was running in and when Tom Harkin was running in Iowa and Saugus was running in New Hampshire? And so you're probably looking at a scenario it's probably is probably an overstatement but you're looking in a scenario where mayor Pete and or worn Andrew possibly sanders. Could somehow split up Iowa and New Hampshire. Maybe Biden Wins Nevada. Maybe in South Carolina but then he has super Tuesday three days later he is campaign said yesterday that he'd raised ten million dollars in in October. November are you raise fifteen million dollars in the third quarter nine million left. He's going to be spending a lotta money in January February. Gets those early states. My point is that he could well will be approaching a super Tuesday where four almost forty five percent of the delegates is going to be selected without the money to compete not just against the Bloomberg but even against the Buddha Buddha Jesuit Warner Sanders who's fundraising continues at a very robust pace You brought up the judge. He's releasing his first statewide ad in South Carolina today titled Welcomed Me. It's part of the campaigns two million dollar ad by which aim to better connect Buddha judge with the racially diverse state. Here's there's part of the thirty second spot then our White House. You won't have to shake your head and ask yourself whatever happened. I was hungry and you fed red meat. I was a stranger and you welcomed me. When I say we've got a unified the American people? It doesn't mean pretending that we're all the same. It means unifying around issues news from wages and family leave to gun violence in immigration Eddie how how's he doing as he's trying to sort of approach And a segment of the population that polls show that he just suffers he. I think the campaign is making a concerted effort. He just sat down recently. Green Live Christian Church with Reverend Marlboro Lineup. He's making do he did fairly well. I think it's important for him to talk about these policy issues in a way that really speak to black communities but I think we have to understand this in two ways one is that he has to connect with black voters in to he has is to be seen as someone who can deliver policy policy initiatives that will address the circumstances of black communities that is to say that it's not just simply about appealing to emotion emotion it's pandering to black communities actually about policies on the ground and I think this is really important going back to our earlier discussion when we use these political labels of liberal and progressive and centrist and conservative and the like we might be I think overstating the matter it might bear will be the case that what people are looking for is change that we're still in a chain cycle and the idea of political labels kind of defining how we want change may actually get us into some in trouble and so you might have someone who's liberal centrist progressive all of them you don't change and so it seems to me that if Joe Biden doesn't understand that if people to just doesn't understand that Elizabeth Warren doesn't they're all to find themselves in a situation and Jim Vander High Axiom is also looking at African American men as a focus focus for for Democrats tell us about it in the last election you had African American turnout decrease for the first time in twenty years which is concerning for Democrats and at the same time you had thirteen percent of African American men vote for trump I think it was four percent of African American women voted for him and so you have a lot of the campaigns buddha the judge booker others who are reaching out specifically to African American men to see if they can connect and also the Jack Up turnout get make sure that if there is higher higher turnout that African American men are voting for voting for Democrats and I think what Eddie said was really really important I do think that the biggest indicator of who wins nominations who wins the presidency are the people who are most sort of comfortable in their skin who voters of all different types feel like are the real deal and are authentic fantasy and people are much easier to sort of shift the shape of their ideology than we might think I think that was a great lesson of Donald Trump look at all the things Republicans now believe I believe that we would have thought unthinkable for five years ago. I don't know that that dynamic is that much different inside the Democratic Party if the right person can connect if the right person can can seem like an authentic person who could be trump and lead to some sort of change. I Jim Vanda I thank you very much. The meet the press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. The twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things we. We usually discuss off camera. Listen for free. Wherever you get your podcast welcome back to morning Joe joining us now as MSNBC legal analyst Danny Cevallos so we'll get into some of the legal headlines this morning a US district judge denied the Justice Department's request for a stay on testimony? From former White House counsel Don mcgann in a seventeen page opinion judge Catania. Brown Jackson rejected the department's attempts to hold off her earlier. Ruling requiring again to appear before congressional investigators. Judge Jackson action argued that quote further. Delay of the judiciary. Committee's enforcement of it's valid. Subpoena Causes Grave harm to both the committee's investigation negation and the interests of the public. More broadly the judge also decided to lift a temporary stay. She issued last week while while the case case involving mcgann moved up to the. US Court appeals that hearing scheduled for January third. So Danny will we hear from Don mcgann. How long does this take take? It may take longer than you think. Now the judge decided that win. Well give you an example when losers at a court want the court to not put the order into effect they asked for what's called a stay and get a stay. You need to show that it's really likely you're going to win and you're gonNA suffer some real serious harm if the court doesn't stop disorder disorder to from going in to remind us what's holding him back from talking well. The White House has indicated that they don't want him to testify and so that's what the DOJ is going to be appealing. And that's why we may not hear from again anytime soon because the appeal is going to go up to the circuit court and this may be delayed even further. And why might it be that. The White House wouldn't want him to testify. Did we get hints in the report. We did dumb again was a central figure in the Muller report as someone who was very close to Donald Trump and now happy and not happy yes and he knows a lot of things. He's spoken to the president on many occasions. He is featured prominently in the mall. Report if you are the House Democrats. He is somebody that you would want to hear from. Joe Is it possible to never hear from Don mcgann anything's possible and trump's Washington. But Danny the stay was lifted. Why can't the Democrats move quickly now to try to get him to the hill before January the third they contri- but what we're finding with congressional subpoena power is that it's very powerful on paper but when it actually comes to enforcement it really becomes more an issue of compromise mice so congress care? The house can try. But that may result in more legal battles and more appellate court. Danny Dante. What's it? What's the Justice Department's next move so they lost this day was lifted? She's saying you have to testify. It is in the interest of Congress and the public more. Generally if Congress now tries to compel Don mcgann to testify. What their next legal move? It's more than that. Congress could even use some of its inherent power to actually go get Don mcgann and bring him to the Capitol building. But they're not likely to do that. Because as I've said in most cases subpoenas in court cases are a question of enforcement you can send out the US. Marshall Service you can send out deputies to go bring somebody nobody to the courthouse. That doesn't happen. The same way in Congress and more often than not it becomes an issue of compromise and negotiation. So you're right you're absolutely right. The Watergate Hey toe and Danny and Watergate didn't didn't Congress actually threaten to imprison some of Nixon's aides who were refusing to comply with the subpoena subpoenas. That's right that's exactly what happened in Watergate and that could happen here but we've also seen historically that Congress doesn't I want to go to that level whether it's how Republicans or Democrats that is an extreme measure and what that means functionally. It's that Congress's power to subpoena. Subpoena may be brought on paper but in practice. It's really not all that brought but see and that's the thing Danny in practice administrations like the trump administration have completely stripped them of that power. We saw the same thing at times with the Obama Administration. I guess my question question is why wouldn't Congress exercise their Article One powers they have a court ruling that supportive of them and say Don mcgann. Hey Don on a federal judge has told you you have to testify and they. They rejected the stay of the DOJ. So done you've got two choices offices. You can either come testify willingly. Are we're going to send marshals after you and if you continue to they do it. We're we're we may even take the extraordinary measure that they took during Watergate and possibly Jelly for ignoring a federal judge's order and I it Dan Lewis. I bring this up is there are so many people. It was the Republican Party that I heard during the Obama Administration that was frustrated at people. Just ignoring congressional appeanas. Now you're seeing the same thing on the other side so yes. The practice actually stripped Congress the legislative branch of of its powers. So so why not make a point with Dan began. They've got a ruling in their favor. Because Don mcgann isn't actually averse necessarily two House Democrats threats. It's a strange situation. Because mcgann is nominally represented by the government the executive branch but their interests aren't perfectly aligned Don mcgann essentially says reason to lean on him Danny all the more reason. We're talking about precedent here. Why doesn't Congress lean on this guy? I and set a precedent. They could and they might decide strategically. That's the right thing to do. But they also risked turning don mcgann who maybe a favorable witness for Democrats Democrats into an adversarial hostile witness but they certainly can exercise their power and try to do that immediately. If they want to. Makeup or the precedent it would be worth it. Even if Don mcgann became a hassle because these subpoenas have been ignored for years exciting Democratic Administrations Astray Shins and Republican administrations alike and subpoena power of the United States. Congress has been made meaningless through the years they have have a federal judges ruling. They have a responsibility. Now to enforce that subpoena by any means legal means possible. Well now to this to associates. It's of Rudy. Giuliani are likely to be hit with more charges. In addition to the ones they are already facing for allegedly funneling foreign money into US political candidates that disclosure was made during a court hearing in New York related to the case of love Parnis and Ebor fruman the do hello was arrested last month for violating campaign finance laws. They have pleaded not guilty. Giuliani has acknowledged that Parnis and fruman assisted in his efforts to dig up dirt on the Biden's prosecutor sees thousands of files data and dozens of cell phones from partisan Zain from men as well as two other to Yanni associates charged in the case. David Korea and Andre Qiutian. A prosecutor told the court Monday parnassus has not provided the passwords to his phone despite numerous requests and the FBI is using its technology to try and lock the phones owns. And what Danny Civil Tzavellas might be unlocked in all us. What these two characters and Rudy Giuliani himself? Prosecutors and defense attorneys. He's like wish it was back in the nineteen nineties before the data era and terabytes and gigabytes of information that are contained just in phones or laptop computers. There's but that's the kind of thing that reveals everything about somebody's life and some prosecutors in sifting through all this evidence may be uncovering more information damaging aging to these defendants. But I have to say. I'm a little surprised because I'm more expected that there would be a rush to a guilty plea and a cooperation agreement not more charges that signals to me that if there are more charges coming that perhaps there isn't a cooperation agreement in the mix at least today and and Rudy Giuliani continues to to raise questions as to whether or not he'll be charged with something does he not. He's a private individual. He is not protected by the cloak. Okay of acting at the behest of the State Department or something like that so the fact that all of these people around Rudy. Giuliani are being investigated for any prospective client alliant. That is something that should make someone very very nervous. If you start noticing that your friends and family are being investigated but you are conspicuously absent from the investigation. That's a good reason to be concerned. And in the case of trump you can take a look at all the people who are already in jail so let's now to this California Congressman. Congressman Duncan Hunter is expected to plead guilty today in San Diego to misusing campaign funds a criminal case that he once called a witch chant in an interview. The Republican lawmaker announced. He'll plead guilty to one. Count of misusing campaign funds saying he is responsible for not properly monitoring on a touring the money prosecutors charged hunter and his wife converted saying they converted and stole more than a quarter million dollars in campaign funds for their own personal use including trips to Hawaii and school. Tuition for their children hunter's wife pleaded guilty to conspiring to misused campaign refunds in June and was expected to testify against her husband at his trial which was scheduled for January. Twenty second in the interview. Hunter added his only hope. Hello is the judge does not sentence his wife because quote. I think my kids need a mom at home. That's just this whole thing a sad. What does the against I encourage everybody to take a look at this indictment against Duncan Hunter because the allegations are pretty shocking? They show some major need of money in the indictment for this family and some use of campaign funds that were very clearly at least from the the indictment related to personal benefit victimizations meals for the kids dentist bills. In a lot of these cases you can make a colorful argument that these he's expenses were campaign related and sometimes it can be a bit of a yoga exercises to stretch that far but this indictment if true all those allegation allegation we're paying our even a mate. How are you gonNA relate that to a campaign? You can't do your kids dentist bills restaurants and even allegations not truth. thinly-veiled of Romantic dalliances with other folks not the representatives wife. These are all the kinds of things that pay a broad picture of of some real misuse of campaign funds. The kind that really can't be explained away. So what in this case. What got him from a witch hunt to guilty plea was just the evidence before four? Yes sometimes in this. In this case he had an argument in the beginning. Look I'm one of the Republicans that I came out supporting Donald Trump. So you're lumping me in with the witch of Donald Trump. It's an interesting theory a good public relations argument but anyone casually reading this indictment against him and it's publicly available. We'll we'll see that. This is anything but a witch and this is anything but just some bad management of money during a campaign. If it's true that these campaign funds were a used for such personal expenses ski trips and dinners and drinks and fund that were completely unrelated to the campaign and they are. If it's a family vacation Shen that's not part of your campaign. I'm sure Joe can tell us all about that because he had to campaign at one point and anyone who's been involved in the campaign can no. There's a bright line between your personal family expenses and vacations and fun and campaign related expenses and this appears to be a bright one. Willie you never come close to that line for two things one your office expenses and also your campaign expenses. I mean you're told every office. I know we had talked about Mary. Read before she she a you just knew to get in there and you follow the advice of the person that you've you've hired that knows those laws and you just don't come close to the line unfortunately He did and apparently went well over that that line several times and these examples are pretty blatant which is why he's now pleading guilty one more for you Danny. We're keeping you busy today. The Supreme Court seems unlikely to reach a decision on its first first second amendment case in a decade after arguments alluded to the case being moot. The case in question is over a law in New York that limited city residents from transporting morning guns outside their home however after the Supreme Court agreed to take the case the city repealed the law and encourage the court to drop the case Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg echoed the sentiment. Saying what's left of this case and justice. Sonia Sotomayor agreed adding the other side is thrown in the towel. You're asking us to opine on a law that's not on the books any more however conservative. Justices Samuel Alito and Neil gorsuch argued. There was enough to take on the case. The court will issue its decision. By late. June Gordon and nutshell. What is this case about and why the liberal wing of the court appear to be sort of kissing it off and is exceedingly rare for a plaintiff to get everything the plaintiff once in court? It's even rarer for that plaintiff to be upset about it and yet that's exactly what happened here. The plaintiff the gun and rifle club the gun advocates got everything they they wanted because when they challenge this New York City rule and it wasn't a law is just an NYPD rule. The government rushed to repeal it because they knew they didn't want to end up at the Supreme Court so now that it's at the Supreme Court. There's no longer any law prohibiting gun owners from transporting their firearms that law is gone and and it can never come back because the legislature subsequently passed a law essentially prohibiting it so under the rules of court you have to have an actual oh case or controversy and if there is no longer a law for anyone to be worried about than the argument is there's no longer a case or controversy. The gun folks are arguing that yes. There is a case or controversy because all these guys did is they played foul. They repealed the rule so they wouldn't have to deal with the Supreme Court deciding the issue and even know we've got an everything we want the gun advocates say. We're entitled to a Supreme Court Decision on this broader constitutional issue to whereas it ended. They take it most likely. If I were a betting man and I'm not I would say that the Supreme Court will declined to take it. It's the safe thing to do. The case really is moot. There is no longer a rule to be concerned about. So they'd be essentially giving what's called an advisory opinion the court is Danny accorded so conservative with a small mall. See when it comes to accepting any cases let alone gun cases seller two thousand eight when this Winter Supreme Court decided that Americans Americans did have a right to keep and bear arms as long as it was for protection like handguns in a home or shotguns for hunting but time and time again they have refused to accept cases that have come their way fe even allow gun makers face liability financial liability for the newtown shootings. They've refused to act on Connecticut's very expansive gun control. Laws had been in place now for five six years. You've only Elliot had justice. Thomas actually say come on. Let's hear these cases I just against since its mood. I just don't see the court taking up this case. All right Danny Cevallos. 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The Life and Times of Super Liger: Jan 4, 1997 - Jan 5, 1997

Talk Is Jericho

1:00:56 hr | 8 months ago

The Life and Times of Super Liger: Jan 4, 1997 - Jan 5, 1997

"Ricco off go all right so just came back from wrestle kingdom last week and it was of course the retirement mint of one of the greatest performers of all time Japanese otherwise. Of course I'm talking about Jewsh thunder lager and Just kind of thinking about lighter of course reminded me about super lager which I have never discussed every time I see him. He doesn't really speak too much. I know he's a fan of Mine Z.. Said some really nice things about me in the press before I was actually supposed to have him on. Talk is Jericho I believe last year and he kind. I bailed out at the last moment so I never really got a chance to speak with him and his English is good enough to be on this show as you know. I've had Shinsuke Nakamura and I've had John Gaito and you'll say I could have had a great conversation with him but he didn't like I said didn't want to do it. I guess but I was was reminded about super lawyer and I wanted to go through. And tell the story of the life and times of Super Lager born January fourth worth nineteen ninety-seven died January fourth nineteen ninety seven twelve minutes after his birth. But just before we get into that I I want to talk about himself and just the influence that he had and so many reformers of my generation. I'm sure the of many generations definitely was the first of its kind to do the shooting star press and the the palm strike and the fisherman buster and the brain buster and all these moves that had never been invented before lager did them and of course the mask and the character and all that sort of stuff juiston ladder bigger of course half lion tiger. This is long before pulling dynamite was a cartoon character. I believe as an anime character lighter was able to get the rights to I use it and of course the legendary status is created so one of the things for me when I signed it was. WCW was to go to new Japan but had worked with lighter in Wer. We actually had a match together It was Gedo on myself versus lawyer. And the heck was his name Taka Iwo he actually was in one of the wider retirement matches and we had like I said a tag team match and it was a big deal at the time to work with lighter as it was always a big deal with laggard. Eggert especially for me being. Wer kind of always having my eye on. New Ano is kind of wanting to be a part of it. You know he did. This is Super Jakup. second-stage stage together. We didn't roughly other but he was in that and there was a little bit of a of a working agreement with war and with the with new Japan so we did get a chance to work with some of their guys from time. To time and working with lager was a big deal for me because obviously he was a legend. And I remember the taxi. Matsui I'd say we have is really really good I think GAITO and I beat stuck and but to get a taste of being there lager was was it was very very cool. And obviously he liked what he saw. Because super lager was ligers idea to be kind of the ultimate rival for for him so how it all started was like I said when I signed with. WCW One of the things. I really wanted to do as a the result was go to new Japan Because I'd never worked every four I'd worked for FM. W I worked for countless tours for war and like I said had you. You know a cup of coffee with some of the guys there for you can use to work with. There is one of the Haitian station wagon. Was the name of the group from New Japan. There was a Goto was in there. And who the leader was Khushi. Knock I think his his name was so we did get to work with some new Japan. Guys like I said but I really wanted to work under the banner of New Japan so I started in. WCW and of course when Bischoff. I said he would be more than agreeable that I started with W W September August of ninety six and I guess in about December or so so early December late November. I got a call from Brad. Reagan's and Brad was at at the time kind of the American liaison for New Japan. I think Brad is right now. Maybe one of the managers of brock listeners. A matter of fact Brock's Brock's confidante handler sort of thing and Brad called me and said we need some measurements from you knew. Japan wants to Make a costume for you. And I didn't really know much more than that. They didn't really tell me. They say they have some kind of idea. They want to make a costume for you. Can we get your measurements ms now any time. Someone asks me for my measurements. You know I'm a I'm a guy I mean. I don't know what my fricking `member `member `member measurements are so I was living in Calgary at the time in in my apartment that really had no furniture in it but I remember I went to a drug store and bought a tape measure like like a like a clothing tape measure and I took my measurements. which was you know ways to arms is and all that sort of stuff and sent him off to Brad and I said? Do you know what it is that they want me to do and he said No. I don't but I'll keep you posted so so I guess a week or so later. Get A callback. They want you to come in for the Tokyo Dome. And you're going to be the rival of juicing recent Jewish lager and what a great place to start with new. Japan is kind of the rival to the top guy in the in the company and this once again twenty twenty three years ago so we were you know at laggers kind of at its peak of his powers and physically and all that sort of stuff so he was really involved. I guess and he was booking junior heavyweight division and I guess he really saw promise in me probably from that match that we had a tag team match that we had that That he was involved in the war match so a member. Brad said they're going to call you. You know you're GONNA be ligers rival and you're going to work cost. You like like like lighter and I think the original idea was they're gonNA call me white lighter and I like dot and then over the course of time I found the they wanted to call me super liger which is very Japanese I would have rather had white laggard. But they had some kind of white power connotations or something like like that but the thing is the costume is all completely white and silver and of course is known for being white and red and of of course live your has black hair long black hair and I had long blond hair. So those were the differences right off the bat right there so from what I recall. I don't think thick they sent me the costume. They just sent me a mask. I think all ahead was the mask I and it was hard because the the is recovered completely with Red Mesh. If you look at pictures of Super League you can see that and the mouth mouth hole was basically just that just a little slit so I put that thing on and I was like I can't I can't breathe in this thing like like what am I gonNa do. You know what I mean. How how am I going to get by with with this and be able to to to wear the ring so I took some scissors and cut out the bottom part of the masks so that I could breathe better? As far as seeing it was really hard to to see through this mash I had that was the one and only time I ever wore a mask for a match watch you know. I wrestled in Mexico for years as you guys know and I never wore masks there. I remember before my first match I ever had a in Monterrey Mexico GEICO. They were going to have a mask and right beforehand. As as Lionheart over that might have been Leon Dorado the Golden Lion I think was the original name and and the right before the match decided that that they didn't want me to wear a mask because my face was too beautiful as they said their words. It's not mine so that was it. I didn't I never. I never wore a mask and when it came time to do the super lager it was. It's very strange to be wearing this mask. So Award around the House might my apartment kind of practiced with it and see if I can see this as best as I could but I didn't have the costume either at the time as far as I recall but that was a big deal for me to be going to Japan and a member of course you had. WCW's blessing for that. Because what they would do at the time is they had a working agreement with new Japan so they would just bring in guys and AH whatever deal that they had for them with. W W you wouldn't get aid any extra. You just get like one hundred bucks a day for food so that would be your per diem you know and W W would make whatever they're gonNA make and I heard they would make ridiculous amounts like fifteen thousand dollars a week week. That sort of thing where I wasn't making anything close to fifteen thousand dollars remember we found the contract or somebody had the contract somewhere and you saw what. What's fifteen thousand a week for Chris? Jericho and twenty five thousand a week for Eddie Guerrero and fifty grand a week Scott Norton or whatever it was just ridiculous amounts of money they would have to pay new Japan and the guys would get none of that at the time. I think I was making one hundred thirty five grand a year so you know. Divide that by fifty two and what. It's not even three thousand dollars a week. I guess I might have one hundred sixty five so it's probably just around three thousand dollars. A week is what I was getting. And they were paying fifteen grand for me so you do the math but Jeju cares right. Just the fact get to go to. Japan was super exciting. Writing to me to be at the Tokyo Dome with like you're with this with this whole new character concept. I'm going to continue the Super Super Lager story the tale of his one day of existence. And I'M GONNA explain how the Jericho curse that. I always talk about my books into this but I would say about manscaping. Who is the best in men's below the belt grooming manscaping offer precision engineered tools for your family? That's great and guys. You need this Valentine's Day just just around the corner and you don't WanNa be that guy with the Bush or that guy who nicked his ball bag prior to getting some heavy dividend Joan. Valentine and Valentine need to be prepared look good down there so we all have a manscaping accident in our past trying to trim it up and you end up with little blood or the shouldn't be. I know you know what I'm talking about. 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The funny thing is easing about I so so ooh I always talk about the Jericho curse my books right saying the first time I ever went to accompany the first match. The had sucked he. He usually was rough. And it was one of those things where I had that twofold with superliner because not only was it my first time in new Japan it was also my first time in the Tokyo Dome and as the first time wearing a mask and the first time wearing a bodysuit suit and the first time working with Koji Calamo to who will talk about a little bit there later on so all these things kind of stacked up against against me and it was very nerve wracking so I went over to the Tokyo Dome on and this was the main event of that Tokyo Dome Show. Oh was it ricky shows you versus Hashimoto Hashmoto for the heavyweight championship and did a huge number. If you go online it says that we did sixty two thousand five hundred people that could have been inflated because I know now drawing drawing forty thousand and thirty thousand thirty five thousand over the last few years has been some the biggest gates in Tokyo history so where they really had sixty two thousand on. I'm not sure but these people were quiet. I mean I just worked the Tokyo Dome last week and the crowd was super loud. Of course I mean. Obviously it's different time you know. Oh Christine where the pain makers at a different stage and working with Donna. Hashi and working with Kenya Mega NATO. Those are legitimate stars. Koji Cannata was more of a junior heavy but still he was still a star but the people were not making any noise whatsoever but so it was a pretty big show though. Anyway that you slice it and I got in and the night before and it was funny because that's when they gave me the costume and I put the costume on and and I remember thinking like Oh my God how in the hell am I going to move in this. It was like wearing very constrictive when you put on uh wet suit like if you're gonNA go scuba diving that's exactly what it was like a full body one so imagine it going all the way to your to your arms down on your arms. Your legs are completely ensconce. Your chest put that on with the mask. And it's like I did not feel comfortable in the least like I was so worried worried about the costume. And it was so inhibiting in so restrictive everything fell restrictive to even move my hands as you know and then the mask was the full mask of the top of my head was showing so that you could put the hair out remember too that the guys there at least I think liar were like kind of amateur wrestling shoes. So they don't have like the boots. Go halfway up your calf. HALF SORTA thing mind did so. I had to try and put these super tight pants overtop of the the boots as well so that was something that I didn't Didn't expect either anticipate so once again. I remember being in the hotel room just walking around in my full outfit trying to stretch it out a bit and trying to get it to get it a little bit more more loose and a little more worked in because it was really restrictive and it's funny too because there may be times have changed but the last all the matches that are had in in Japan over the last couple years you meet up at the Dojo. The new Japan Joe to kind of go through the match and worked a match out and kind of chatted up chatted out. And kind of have an idea of what you're GonNa do before you get there and we did not do that with with Canada. Too and I had known Ken Emoto so from Mexico he was there when I was there and he had a pretty bad reputation of being a little bit of an asshole kind of kind of sandbagging. Wish means wouldn't help work with you. You're supposed to work together. And he was not that agreeable shall shall we say so. I knew that I knew that about him beforehand but then the fact that we never talked and never went through anything before. It's just ridiculous when you think about it all all of these things that I had to deal with for the first time and a lot of it revolving around the fact that you know like I said first time with the mask first time with the clothes and first time with the at the Tokyo Dome and I I'm with Japan and all these other things. It was just very very strange for me. It's not to not even be going through anything any of the match either so I get to the Tokyo Dome and the cool thing was there was really no other foreigners there that I can remember it and I'm actually looking at the card right now to see who else was on it and there really wasn't a lot of foreigners looking actually is interesting. Interesting lighter worked with dragon at that show lager versus Ultimo Dragon. But yeah you had just looking through your quickly the Willie Williams and Antonio Inoki so will you Williams was an old school. I Guess Judo Guy. It was a mixed martial arts match. And and so. That's it no other foreigners on the entire show besides Willie Williams look how much that's changed and Jericho versus super for Lars is super logger versus candidates so but black cat was in a blackout. Was The guy who trained with new Japan. He was a half Chinese. He's I believe and half Mexican. Victor Mar was his name and he was really good friends with with Ben Wa with Eddie Guerrero and I a new cat from Mexico. When he came love cat he was a great guy since passed away now as well as those other guys have to and he was very and helpful with the foreign guys so he would kind of go over the matches with you and make sure everything was good and so he kind of was there to help put together the match just so funny? Because I'm thinking about the Tokyo Dome and I spent the last three years in the Tokyo Kingdom twelve thirteen and fourteen and I can tell you that whole place at the back of my hand but going out there for super lager. I don't remember what dress assume. I don't remember changing with everybody. I don't know if they were keeping it a secret and I was on my own. I can't remember those things but I remember cat came to try and help help us with the matching count. Emoto as we were going over stuff he didn't want to do anything he didn't want to. I think there's certain moves that I wanted to give him that. He said he couldn't do but he could give them. He couldn't take them but he could give them. And it's not a burial of candidates it was just a different time back then where it was still a little bit like A. He was doing the job to superlight and be probably didn't know a lot about me or maybe didn't want to do the job or whatever it was so he wasn't very helpful. Shall we say and putting the match together and eventually won the match with a a tiger suplex which is a double arm. SUPLEX German suplex where you grab the arms behind the guys back. But that's not the finish that wanted to do and I think the the finish that I wanted to do. He didn't like it or he couldn't do it. So that was what we agreed upon. And I'd never used that as a Finnish before my life. Maybe I thought it was going to try and do that. Because superliner would be different in what is Super Liger like. What is this character? Who who is he you know I remember? I put the thing hang on and I was like well if I put my two fingers together like my index finger and middle finger together. Kind of like if you're going to do a gun motion but there's a double barrel gun on and that was GONNA be my my sign like those the two fingers together and stick them out you know and that'll be. That'll be the cool thing to do. Everyone will do it and of course I think I did it once or twice a nobody did it. But it was a great had the Cape and everything like this and it the from a costume standpoint. It looks amazing. From an execution standpoint. It was terrible and and I'm going to. We're going to watch the match together here. I haven't seen it ever haven't seen it in you know twenty three years I guess twenty the two years now ninety seven January fourth yet twenty three years I just remember I hated it the match terrible in my mind I remember I went to jump to the top rope to do my kind of triangle springboard dropkick I totally fell and people were kind of laughing and in the in the Dome 'cause it was very silent to they started laughing in there that was like the biggest reaction I got was by if we were in the states. You've up up. You've done with their far too polite to do that. They just start laughing at you so yeah well let's go through the match and then we can kind of go through the aftermath and all the stuff that happened but going into the match I remember thinking well it should be okay. We didn't really talk about a lot of stuff but that was the the way it was back. Then you would just go out there and kind of wrestle each other and then you would go through whatever spots and finishes that you had and go. He'll through that so all right so everybody go to youtube and Google Super Liger. And while you're doing that I'm GonNa take care of another amazing sponsors making this show pots possible. The Super Liger watch long possible muscle and that's indeed dot com so a lot of people think that wrestling is not a team sport but they really couldn't be more wrong. I maybe the one performing the ring but there's tons of people behind the scenes that make it possible for me to the best of the world at what I do. And that's how it works in any business so when you're putting together your team at work you have to be sure you have the right people for the job. That's where indeed indeed as creating technology that saves you time and Hassle when you post a job on indeed. You can use their tools to help you find the best person for your open GIG. 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Full match twelve minutes of the match was eleven minutes and eleven seconds. We were on second of the night. The only foreigner In in the in the Biz so on the show. So let's click on that so they're coming out. This was the twentieth or look at the Cape the costume looks really cool. The big laggard shoulder pads. And you see me jumping through there and I take the Cape off right away and go right up to Canada. Modes are pushing each other. And you know it's pretty funny just once again. We had no idea what we're GONNA do at the beginning now. You would never do that but at the time it's like you know you're kind of a tough guy and you just go out there and fight. I love the rain around. We've John Denver. So there's Canada Moto and kind of a mean looking guy like I said the best physique week guys in Japan of so much better bodies now you can tell that the nutrition and the vitamins of change so those are the Gong and we're circling each other. What's the end? If you look at my boots you can see the. They're very much stuck into those kick pads because I didn't have any space for them. So it'd be lock up there air. It looks like he's trying to Kinda take over and I'm not GonNa let him do that. Do give a little back. SUPLEX their kick but And you can see the crowd once again. Sixty two thousand people there but very silent so this is a big move that I did a lot back in those days which was a standing suplex. Show how strong I was and you could see you can see the big scoreboard in the background. It's interesting to working at a dome because all the sound goes up it doesn't come down into the ring and where it's so so dark like that all you're basically seeing his. It's like one big living breathing entity that moves you know all at once. It's hard to see individual the people and it was hard for me to see anything with with that mask on with with the is you can see like there was just very very hard to to see he stuff too. I guess maybe that's one of the reasons why fell off the ropes. Because I couldn't see Arabia. Excuse that I'm using but anyway slice it. It was hard to hard hard to manage and once again into the costume. It looks great fits great you know just very constrictive though but look at the detail on it like they put a lot of time and they made it very quickly based on my stupid little a stupid little measurements there so but here we are. You can see us is just kind of messing around fumbled farting around. This is what happens when you don't call anything it's just kick headlock. Takeover kick headlock takeover and the thing with Canada Motoo. He never heard he'll stop and start like he he'll do some kicks which is great sometimes. He sells sometimes. He doesn't sometimes he bumps to the middle of no reason. No No The reason for that there's just a running kick to the head. Take that one and you could see the lion lion's Mane. I mean once again it looks cool AF decided to go for his knee there for no apparent reason my psychology is not very good in this match you know and why would I ever work on a guys leg hate that now is it doesn't make any sense. If you work in a guys leg you'd WanNa like he'd have to sell that he'd be able to run anymore so anyways we're just basically just painting ourselves into a corner here with everything that we do. It's just I'm terrible to. I'm SAM begging down on the Mat. Ought to be doing anything. It's not a fan of this match and once again I've never seen it since we did it but just watching. It's pissing me off. You've not no action coming out right there and you can listen to the reaction from the crowd known saying a word. Aw Very quiet. And now he's working my leg. Okay okay stand up Lu I go for Enzi Enzi. He doesn't sell he just picks it up again. Like what an asshole like just blatantly. Not Selling that like that was the the reputation of of Kanta Moto he just did not want to work with me apparently. So aw yeah I mean you can just see. There's just nothing happening. I mean this match is cringe-worthy to me just watching it here just to see that like we legit are due at the end that I just stand right back up. We're starting over again like there's no heat. There's no cohesiveness what he does it again. At least he sold ends agree on that one but every time I try and kick your garage my leg. He's not playing along as you can tell you know. And that's a cool one like that move. I should do that more often. Nine hundred ninety seven things. Things were different like I was a high flier back those point in time. So it's not like it is now with this incredible athleticism and the incredible acrobat acrobatics. That the guys do back then. A A splash spitting splash from the apron into the ring was a big high flying deal but look at this. I got him in a hold. They just stop it and just pick them up and it's like it's like I don't know what I'm doing you know I mean no wonder this match was not not critically acclaimed by anybody involved including me now like I said watching five minutes Gone Gong. Gong full five five minutes gone. So and what's the end right back to the headlock. It's like what are you doing Super Liger like I should have been more mystical or something along along those lines. I should have been doing. I don't know I don't I didn't know what a super lawyer was here comes. I'm getting ready. I'm supposed to spring to the top rope and I just fell straight down now once again. was that because and that got a pop but then I drop kicked him in the face right after so even though I can see that I kinda recovered with a nice drop kick at least and the dropkick to the floor. That's pretty cool. That no one pops on nobody did a damn thing. I mean come on guys give me something you know. I got a big reaction when I when I fell down when I when I screwed up but I got nothing even for the for the Nice job you from the top there. I'm giving the finger. No one's doing anything at this point the matches and look he's not selling he's back up again like what do we do. We just start from scratch again. Okay I'm going to try and SUPLEX in the ring and Was He gonNA do. Oh He's GonNa Suplex me now. Maybe that was there you go. I mean that's the Nice bump okay. Well you didn't this little nice little fly flying we see these. These are big time moves right here. That people haven't really seen a lot of but those ropes are super loose to they're made of cables. But you could just sagging like the not giving us much support the Kennel. He just is his faces makes them look like an asshole. You know which was but then here I come right just back in the ring and we've got coming up next feet. That's pretty nice. Tackle them well. Looks was land on my feet on that one double dropkick and then nothing ever. We're back down again. What a strange spot to put in the middle of the match a double dropkick were both guys and move? And we're doubling down as cannibal to continues to pull up his pants. Jesus please man get better pants. This this matches cringe-worthy for me. Uh It's sloppy to. I don't know if it's him or me or both of us are what. But it's just not cool Eh. Trade some sort of reaction power Bosley there that got a nice little reaction there. People popped in that one but look covers me with his his his foot on my chest like what a what a jerk like. Why would he do that? After a nice move could have got a nice little the false finish out of that but there's just kicking the share. Now he doesn't like me for some reason probably because he's losing the match to to this Super Liger Guy. He's sure loves that SPINNING FLIP thing. That's for sure. Yeah it's kind of a light cover like he's just is not taken very seriously here. It doesn't look like he really. He's trying to beat me. It looks like two guys out. Just floundering just floundering around trying to figure out what the the hell to do which might have it look at. What a brutal slam that was sold? All to the knees and no one's reacting to all picks me up what a jerk this must be. This must be his finishing move. It looks like he's going to give me a SUPLEX now. Okay so he gives me the double arm and I kick out and then I just get up. What am I doing? I'm up before him. What the Hell am I doing? Why am I suddenly up after just taking a simplex on my head smashes terrible? Aw I'm I'm terrible in this. JEEZ lease do we go out there with nothing. We just making everything up on the spot. There's been so many suplexes and holds the head locks and Jen locks and aw now I look like I'm trying to give them a suplex from the top but he pushes me over to the floor. Okay now he's GonNa fly on me and a drop kick him. Okay so drop kick him out of the Air I listen. I'm not putting anybody under the bus here. But he had to have called this match. Because this has this does not have any type of psychology that I would use that. It's my fault for going for it but once again here we go right back up to the top rope again. I mean there's nothing to this all right. It's just the suit. Is this the finish. Aw is the double chicken wing SUPLEX top rope okay. That's good now. I'm pulling them up and now I'm giving them the same suplex he just gave me. Aw and there's three cout not not a good match you know sometimes when you think back about matches his maybe. I didn't like the fact that I just remember falling off the rope but how it that move. This was not a good match in any way shape or form sloppy. ill-conceived this black cat behind me. If you see the guy right there that's black cat right there. Yeah like I said very ill conceived match not not not not not very good at all and so and you know it to like when you have a good match you know it when you have a bad match you know it and and when you have a stinker you know it as well and it's funny because if you go onto to the wikipedia it talks about The second match the night featured the debut of a character called super lighter a silver and white version of played by Chris. Jericho Super Liger wrestled. Ken Amato Auto and what Power Slam magazine called a Super Ariel battle and I wouldn't go that far larger one after eleven minutes and seconds by using a bridging tiger suplex pink Omotoso new Japan intended to use Super Super League character as a storyline enemy of lighter. Hopefully create a rivalry similar to the tiger mask versus is black tiger rivalry however the character so poorly received. That was never used again. Now once again wasn't an auspicious debut wasn't a complete bomb but it was weird because because I was booked to be on the next tour which I believe was at the end of January through February as super lighter but like I said when when when you know oh you've had a stinker of a match you can always tell too because people kind of avoid you and they don't really want to say anything remember cat was like. Yeah you tried your the best and it'll be better next time and I'm like Oh that's my friend like word of them real where the what are the critics saying. The reporter saying is in Japan. The report there's a lot of influence and they'll write in the paper the next day you know just like like hockey score or something along those lines or hockey game or football game. They'll talk about you. Know what happened in the matches and all that sort of thing so when I came to the back. I'm not sure if I saw Ken Amato. I don't think I'll lager. Probably wanted to avoid me because I've probably made them look really bad because he he came up with this character and he probably Had thought about it for a while and thought about it for me and when and we debut it and it sucks. He probably looks bad. He feels stupid. If there's anybody that didn't want to do in the first place I told you this is a dumb idea or are you chose the wrong guy because that guy was shits and then they had the full cost you and when I took it off a an underling came over and said we're going to keep the costume here for Safekeeping Aka. You're never wearing this costume again. Probably probably took it and buried. It threw it in the ocean or something along those lines but I did have kind of a party mask shall shall we say it was like a version of the Super Liger mask but it could be worn out and I remember was kind of an after party that I wore that mask. Ask for a couple pictures of me wearing it. I remember how to picture with Willie Willie Williams and black cat wearing that mask and there's no party after the Tokyo Dome Anymore. which is a drag? But and I went to that party like no one was talking to me. And that's the sign that you had Stinger. Have we kind of avoid like the plague. And so they took the cost him away and they left me with the mask and I had that mass but I actually. She gave it to Brian Hildebrand. who was the referee? Mark Curtis Great Guy and he actually passed away from cancer. Probably nine hundred ninety nine and I think one of the last time. He was a big avid mask collector. I remember Eddie had given his black tiger mask and I gave him that superliner mask and now I have no idea where it is. Maybe Brian's wife has it or something like that but I wish I still had it because it was a good kind of have memory of of of of supervisor and and that was that was you know went to the party. Then I get it on the plane and I fly home and I remember when I got home I used to listen to the WCW hotline and gene started it but then there was kind of like the precursors to in a wrestling observer. Live here on a daily on the website. You know it's kind of the day's events the day's news and that sort of thing and I remember I was listening to the report and it Mark Madden. Actually very good friend of mine. He was saying that you know basically we just rather they were gonNA use this as kind of tiger tiger mask versus black tiger but it really bombed and it was terrible match and everybody hated it and I'm like wow like the news of my match reach the states before I did the news about how bad it was wrong. It came across even before I got home that it was terrible and and thankfully I was already booked for that next tour because had I not been booked they might never brought me back which you know because like I said I think it wasn't just because the match was bad I think it's also because a lot of people had egg on their face for for allowing it to take place and then when it didn't go the way that it should've could've people look bad and people get embarrassed and that's kind of a problem so I just remember listening I think that and then hearing a couple of people maybe within WCW had heard that it wasn't great. And then you you you you wait for the wrestling wrestling observer to come out to read the report of it and it just wasn't you know wasn't the reaction that I was hoping for and like I said when something is bad I I'm in at that point in time I had been in the business for seven years. You know if it's bad you sweep it under the carpet and you move onto the next one. But I certainly didn't think that that it was bad enough to to just completely cancel the whole character. I certainly didn't think it was bad enough for everybody to kind. Make me the laughing stock. You know and I certainly didn't think that I wouldn't A chance to do more so it's really the funny when you think about that. That not only was it bad but it was really bad and I'm going to share some of the reviews that superliner match but I I want to share a very important announcement announcement from our friends at Steven Singer. Jewelers Stephen Singer's releasing a brand new color of his famous twenty four carat gold-dipped rose just in time for Valentine's Day. The new Keller has been the most US requested by passionate rose collectors and fans any guesses. I'm just going to tell you. The brand new color for twenty twenty is rose. That's right a rose. Rose Rose Gold old gold. 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Jericho reinvention rank from worst to best and of course it's the Gif of just falling off the ropes and let's read what it says your Jericho infamously lost the Ada View Awol. Championship Matt Title last month I didn't lose. It was stolen but by then he was such an expert worker worker. That turned into legitimately hilarious series of promos. He wasn't equipped with the self assurance to deal with that humiliation. That was his catastrophic debut as supercollider Aligarh in new Japan pro wrestling the biggest embarrassment on the biggest stage Jericho promoted as Houston laggers nemesis never did complete the story arc. At the nineteen eighteen ninety seven Tokyo Dome show super went over coach Mojo in a match so comically bad fans laugh at it. Jericho attempted his trademark springboard aboard dropkick spot but unable to see through the mask. He lost his footing. He had difficulty maneuvering himself around the ring to do the constraints costume. And that's what it was. It would be charitable to describe it. There's a tire because he was only ever 'cause playing this rival. The rest of the mass riddles. Miss Communications was at best disjointed. The character was immediately dropped. Because it was so untenable Super Lougee was meant to be the evil. d'appel Ganger of Jewish and lager but the awesome opposite was true he was as hapless. The rain as Juche was my goodness talk about a scathing review there but there was plenty of them like it around that timeframe. But but you know when you are part of it. It's not so funny and it wasn't happy about it at all as you can tell even now twenty three years later to read that stuff. I hate that sort of stuff that you never want to be known as a laughingstock. But that's exactly what that was around that timeframe so Pulled up my socks like a big boy. And you know ate some crow sloughed off and Lo and behold once again like I said I was still booked for the January tour in New Japan and even though I was embarrassed I still I still still went on tour and I remember my first night in they put me with a guy called Zucca who just recently retired. And he's Zucca he. Now is the trainer at the DOJ. Oh and I remember. He was kind of universally critically acclaimed as a great worker. The great meat and potatoes `tatoes worker. Like you know if you can't have a good match with Zucca then you can't have a good match with anybody sort of thing. So so We they put us in their same thing that I had with the gambler and WCW. Cynthia had with ex park in the W E. You know it's like if you you don't have a good match this guy then then then you know there's going to be some trouble but of course we had a good match. Of course he beat me but I remember thinking afterwards because I knew what it was and it was a test. I knew you that my name was mud. My name is mud would rank Matt. My name is mud with little Primis for you there. I knew that that I was I was under the microscope and up against the wall and has a really show what I could do at risk of. You've never getting a chance to see the light of day and new Japan ever again so we had a really good match and then the next night I believe it was TV and I think the match was myself. Scotty Riggs versus lighter and I think it was Samurai and Lo and behold we had another great match match and once again I never spoke to lager about superlight. So I don't know I sure would like to. But how do you breach that subject. You know probably never see him again now but you know. How do you breach that subject with him you know hey lider superliner and really socked like what do you do? So I think that He felt a little bit a little bit of retribution. Because at least I had a good match and it afterwards I saw Ricky Shoshu. Who was the booker at the time? Backstage and He called me over and his a super LAGA. Yeah and I said Yes sir he said law. Is Chris Jericho very good Super Laga. Very bad and I said Yeah I think Super Laggers Daddy said I think so and that was the end of any type of mention Super Liger. He was done but the good news was that I had a great tour and then they invited me back a total of six times. I did new Japan tour in the nineties before before I came back in two thousand eighteen and super junior tournament was was one that I did and and also remember I worked a match with. We did a tour together. We've been wanted tour together and we did a match where we were against each other and I'll never forget he just attack me at the bell. It was like wow. This is not my friend this is this is wild Pegasus. He wasn't screwing around. He'd beat the shit out of me and I gave him a spin kick and I kind of missed but he took a bump anyways and afterwards he was so angry that he had to purge himself basically and headed to five hundred hundred squats so I felt bad because I was the one who through the kick that miss so I did the five hundred squats with him and you guys do ten squats now and see how you feel and then do five hundred of them so I remember. I woke up the next morning. My legs were just Taylor. I mean there are screaming in pain. They were like detaching themselves for my body in protest and running away on their own and I couldn't even I couldn't walk down the stairs of the hotel a lot of stairs and there was like it was screaming in pain. Walk in the series and back in those days you would find out the card when you got venue. Sometimes you might know but I think at that point in time you would just get to the venue go up to the wall and you would look at the card hard on the wall of course low behold I had a single match would usually her and I was. I can't even walk like what am I going to do. You know what I mean like. I literally can't like my legs are screaming at me from doing five hundred squad so I remember just took a bunch of Yoko. Yoko Coco which is kind of like a tiger balm type stuff like icy hot and just spread all over my legs and then put my tights on over top of that. I just had this icy hot I stunk of icy hot and try and stretch out as best I could and we had a really good match. Don't remember it being like amazing thing but I do I definitely. It wasn't a super match liking it and liked it And that was you know. Imagine how good it could have been had had. I not been screaming in pain but other than that. I never really worked with lighter too much more. I remember the one single match that we had with my legs screaming. I remember the TAG team match. We had right when I first came back and I remember the tag to match that I had with war and of course we did like. I said we do the Super Jakup second-stage age which was booked by Ultimo Dragon. And the final of that was gaito versus lighter with lager going over. which was you know? A great match there so there was there was a lot of interaction with laggard but but never a lot of interaction in the ring and what might have happened. Dad's Super Liger. You Know God over. Shall we say and how far were they willing to take it. What is one of the things that maybe would have worked on and off and made it always the Tokyo Dome who knows but like I said it'd never never transpired because it just it just wasn't great so it's funny when you think of thirty thirty year career almost thirty years and all the things that have accomplished and all the things that I've done and Chris Jericho is the greatest of all time or people say this people see that? That's the one thing that just really sticks out to me is just to be really terrible especially on such a grand stage. I've had a couple of other ones like that hat. But you know there's certain moments in time where you go. This is the biggest match of my career wherever I was at that point in time. That was the biggest match of my career. It just it just died a death you know like I said. There's so many variables as stuff that I had never dealt with before I legitimate remember too. I didn't insist earlier when I when I jumped to go to the top rope for the spring because I would I would push myself up and go all the way to the top. I now just do it to the second row because I'm not. I stopped doing that about ten years ago. Fifteen years ago maybe even twenty years jumping all the way to the top because I wasn't nailing it and when you don't nail it a couple times you start losing your confidence when you lose your confidence on a move that has some sort of difficulty. Just don't don't try and do it anymore because if you're only doing it you know two out of three times. That's that's not good enough. And the time I was jumping straight to the top and I remember the lights obviously and the the red is being covered. It kind of just made a big kind of soupy appearance. I couldn't see you know and and like I said I'm making excuses. I mean I watched it either way but that had a lot to do with it. Imagine working with that like it's not just the mass but it's the is that are covered with the Mesh and it's like. I don't know how you can how you could do that. Like if I'm trying to even look up a lag himself I'M GONNA look it up right now. I don't know if he has that stuff over is is that if he does. How did he get used to it? It's just one of those things where you go. Oh my goodness what exactly is that. So so I'm looking at the images right now. Yeah and he has he has stuff over his is which is really amazing. It's just it's I don't know how the hell you could do that. But I'm looking through though. No he doesn't he doesn't have it he can see his eyes so it's not as thick as what I had although there's different stages of his career to so I'm sure at some point he might have got sick of it and just I don't want to deal with this anymore but bottom line is you know like I said it was quite the experience and I'm glad that I was there for for ligers. Last two shows. Not much of a conversationalist with him but it was pretty cool. We'll After the Tokyo Dome they have a little meeting a team meeting the kind of tell you what the attendance was and congratulations. And you know it's just in the Locker Karuma for such a big show. This is all kind of guys all stuff together back of the room and this was the exact opposite of the Tokyo Dome and ninety seven where I was the only foreigner with Willie Ali Williams this time. Of course the Zack Sabre Junior and Osprey Jericho and Jay White is there and You know a rocky Romero and chase owens and David Finley just Robinson etc etc.. There's so many foreign guys there now. They gave everybody a little a little envelope or the bonus in it. Hundred Dollar Bonus ten thousand yen so it's like. Oh wow that's cool but it's more of a tradition more of a small a small token of appreciation one hundred bucks one hundred bucks. I'M NOT GONNA NOT GONNA piss on that but And then some people do some speeches and knighthood speech because he's The champion on hush speech because he's the legend and I just wanted to say something about lager and I said listen I just wanted to tell you. Thank you from from a foreign standpoint from guiding sampling sampling. which you can't really say anymore but you are definitely the most famous performer worldwide? A New Japan history in my opinion for as far as you know I'm sure Inoki has named level and all that sort of stuff but but everyone knows you should lager. If you're wrestling fan. Everyone knows you should lie and he was never even in the WB he. I think he did the one appearance for an xt but everyone knows him and his influences is amazing. And that's why I just wanted to let them know. Thank you so much for everything. You've done your the most famous performer. We're in Japanese history. I used to watch you. And you're in Calgary when he was a key. KC Amada these. The Calm Frankie in England because because he one time I guess got his eyebrows shaved or something along those lines and he had a big forehead or maybe when he was he was when he was a a boy and he he he had his his eyebrows shaved his hair shaved and all that other stuff off and he said he looked like Frankenstein. So that's why they call them. Frankie Frankie but yeah but I just wanted to thank him him for being such influence in so many people not that he was a huge influence on me to where you know where back modeled my work after him but more of an influence of a guy that you like. I said I wanted to impress him because he was Jewish and I wanted to work with him because he was using lagging. Why we never had a classic like he did with at ear? bete-noire Milenko or gate or Ultimo dragon or those type of guys film and had a great match them. I did have matches with him and I did. At least redeem myself in his is The last thing I would want his lighter to think of me as some kind of a shift worker who ruined his idea that he came up specifically for me so so I was happy that I was able to say a few words and I was happy. It was able assume very tan. He's he's balled shaves his head but Super Tan. But he did he did a lot for the business and he gave me a shot. Even though I blew it it did come back and work like I said five more tours where they were able to to get some some good stuff out of me and just says we wrap it up. He did an interview. I found got it for sports illustrated and he said You Wrestle Tyler breeze at NFC takeover in August of two thousand fifteen. Why didn't you continue to work with? WBZ You watch deputy Eh and whose work in WBZ Mayer. He said I was too old to stay with Debbie. I wanted my spot to go to a younger wrestler. I watched a little of WB. I wrestled Chris Jericho in Japan and he is very very good. That is no joke. A very good wrestler and I respect him. I watch Chris Jericho to learn from my own matches his great conditioning. He can Russell Everyday Jericho. Eric who is great and everyone is so professional. Debbie any wrestler should wrestle there if they have the chance. I'm like Oh that's pretty cool. Thank you so much liason than I feel the same way about you. I just love the fact that he said it was a genius and he didn't mention Super Logue. I wonder if he even knows is the same guy he has to remember. Maybe just completely I put it out of his head and just chooses not to acknowledge it but so that's it that's the story. The the life and times of super lighter born January fourth nineteen the ninety seven died fourth nineteen ninety seven eleven minutes and eleven seconds of pure wrestling. BOTCHWEY's if you want to see a release stinky match. Let's go watch that again and you went through with me and once again thanks. Did you should and man. I wish I had that Super League party mass somewhere if somebody but he finds it a girl at a garage sale someday a pick it up for me and I'll pay you back so Jews guys she mice about today. I got matched. UH UH super.

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How Willie Cauley-Stein Helps the Mavericks; Will Porzingis Play Center?; Breaking Down the Blazers Comeback; The Mavericks Dont Know How to Win Ugly; LUKA IS AN ALL-STARRR!!!

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How Willie Cauley-Stein Helps the Mavericks; Will Porzingis Play Center?; Breaking Down the Blazers Comeback; The Mavericks Dont Know How to Win Ugly; LUKA IS AN ALL-STARRR!!!

"Hello everyone and welcome to Dallas hoops Fan. Cast I'm your host Sydney and I'm here with my co host Mr Morton Because you can follow the show on twitter at Dallas hoops. Cassie follow me on twitter at underscore. Sidney Meyers Martin is at Martin L.. Myers member you can listen to the latest latest art episodes introducing articles at Dallas hoops cast dot com a okay. I just want to say something. There's going to put this out there. You could hear me out. Uh Willie Cauley Stein. Kind of looks like Tyson Chandler and I think that means something I don't I think it no one. I don't think he looks anything. Tyson Chandler pace you. I don't think it means anything. pull up a picture of Willie Collie Stein and look at his face. And if you're listening thing I've seen his face and I never thought when I saw him. Hey Tyson Chandler. Okay look at this pictures. He's here and if you're listening Google him and look at his face and you know kind of just ignore like the faced has to obviously hair and they grill. Look at this one okay. He looks like Tyson Chandler. No he does now it is you want him to. And I'm just saying that I think that means something mm-hmm because obviously the last time the guy the mavericks had a guy that looks like sandler rich and they won the channel. What is so? I think the fact that he looks like him coud be a good sign for the maverick. I don't think the mavericks have big plans for Willie Cauley Stein so okay. Obviously we're talking about the trade. The Mavericks Acquired Willie Collie Stein from the warriors. As far as I can tell the only thing they gave up was the Utah Jazz. Second Round pick that the mavericks owner so the Mavericks still have the Warriors Second Round pick which is probably going to be the first pick so I thought that was interesting. They really had to give basically nothing for him And then they also trade Isaiah Roby to the thunder for Justin Paton who will probably be waived in order to create the roster spot four. We'll sign so you know like Isaiah. Ruby is gone. Willie Willie Cauley. Stein is here and he looks Tyson Chandler and I think that means something nope next thing though. He's a center. Willie Cauley sign like if you look at what position. He has played this year. One hundred percent of the time. He's been center and the same thing last year like it wasn't even five percent of the time he was a power forty which is the entire time he was a senator and if they brought him on to take Dwight Powell's minutes then offensively basically that works because Dwight Powell started at center and he played center on offense. But defensively Powell play the four and I don't know do you think Willie Cauley Stein. Can Dan play the four. And if not offense on defense yeah and then therefore does that. Say anything about whether or not he's GonNa Start so personally I I don't think he will start. I think The Mavericks are going to run out with that lineup. We saw against Portland. which we'll talk about that game here shortly with Luca Curry Sorry Hardaway in poisonous for Zina's with Doreen finished Smith is the four. I think they prefer that lineup. Because it gives the five five out. Everybody's a threat on defense but also offense correct but also it takes away the rim protection from the other team because now pausing is the five so the five has to guard no matter who he guards. He's GonNa be guarding a three point shooter. So he's going to be away from the the court I thought the Mavericks always wanted to do this I thought they did a lot of the small wind. Porzingis was out now. It wasn't as an effective as well. It was it was Powell as the five and then they have Justin Jackson and for some reason we never started started curry during that time period. As far as I can remember. But there's a couple things I like with this one. Yes you played the five out porzingas complete the I five which is more natural for him in my opinion anyways in today's Today's guests plus it adds another playmaker in shooter. Would elite shooter an inadequate playmaker. One of the biggest problems at the mavericks have is. They don't have any wheat playmaker to play next to Luca. Now they still don't have that but having curry and Hardaway Out there with Luca at the same time one of them can make a capable play at any point within the game so yes they don't have that one dominant playmaker Acre now. They have to adequate ones but both the Mari we'd shooters right now. Yeah so I think the Mavericks in my personal opinion. I think that's the starting lineup. They're gonNA roll Out Barring some disaster or just doesn't work out. I think they got Stein. More to help spread the minutes and share the load so that way maxi who. You can't play a lot of minutes. According to Carlisle doesn't like to play a lot and neither can porzingas so them. Just separating doesn't make sense you need a third guy hi who can play ten minutes or so well just based on what I've seen this year. It seems like he doesn't WanNa play on a lot of minutes either right. His body can't handle well and he's he's so big and slow that you can't rely on leggings. Yeah okay. We have to play him ten to fifteen minutes because some games you don't WanNa play them at all but yeah I was thinking the same thing about the five out offense. It worked really well against Portland and we've talked before about how it just it would be so deadly deadly and it was in a few or several episodes ago I was talking about the physical defense at teams play against just the mavs and how it affects. Luca and the comments from Steve Nash. About how he dealt with the same thing teams just beating him up and he said what what would have helped as if we had like shot more threes like played five out and played faster and so I think and that really made me think I think his point was like what you said. If if you're playing five out than the big man he's not down there he's out guarding porzingis and so if Luke can get past his man there's no one there to general and then also it seemed like in the game last night they play. Tempo was a little faster and that helps too. Because teams can't beat you up and slap your wrist and you know hit you upside the head. If they're trying to run with you not that they played at a breakneck speed. Did they weren't that. They did have thirty fast-break points which was yeah but it doesn't have to be super fast but just the pace seemed a little a little quicker but really I think the five is what helps the most to keep the defense stretched out so much. So yeah like I said I don't think Kollie signed can play the four on defense so I kind of expect him to come off the bench but yeah. I think it was more to just help with minute. Wise obviously sleet if Somebody else gets hurt. Say Magsi sprains. His ankle is out five games. You didn't want to go. which is bone porzingis in that sequence? So it's kind of an insurance earns policy also to make sure that Maxi's play more than twenty five minutes and Porzingis playing more than thirty. This is just my personal opinion. I think Carlisle has been wanting you to do this small ball lineup with pausing the five for a long time And unfortunately in these circumstances it's worked out that way where he played him. I'm at the five. The good thing is pausing kind of white. Did yeah his comments after the game where you're going to. I think the reason why so he said that he he likes it. Why did he say he likes? They asked him you know. Like what are the pros and cons or was there anything you didn't like about it. And he said there's really I mean there's a lot of benefits to he was like I on defense. Obviously I can protect the rim and then on offense I just have more space because at big man doesn't WanNa come out that far and we saw that against Portland their shot at every time it was like he would catch it at the top of the three point a top of the key and I was like I mean he's got the space to shoot that if he wants to. I know he can't shoot it every time but he has a lot more space and so he was talking about that too and then they asked him were there any cons to and he said no no not really I mean he was like I just like playing. I don't really care what musician I play. I've always heard that he didn't WanNa play the five as possible. He didn't or change his mind aimed. But with this offense he probably sees the benefits but now it remains to be seen how the mavericks are affected defensively. The game against Portland is really hard to judge judge because really Lillard came down about seven eight times within the game and just pulled up from three twenty and he made you know. I don't know what eight of those. Yeah and he had a really high percentage from three so that kind of impacted their overall one hundred twenty four points because of that he had forty seven so I don't really know how their defense is going to be impacted for some reason. I WANNA say it will be better one because there's really no drop off defensively from Powell. Do you can fill any anyway. I guess and there's no disrespect Powell but defensively strength. Yeah exactly and so adding curry in there that just gives you another wing defender. And he's actually kind of an underrated defender so I'm curious to see how it's GonNa work out with Utah because obviously Rudy Gobert Bear is elite probably the best rim protector in the League but him being stretched all the way out to where he has to guard part Porzingis. What does he make? And how does that impact the mavs I feel like that's a benefit the mavericks well in there so few teams that have two bigs so like Utah is not like they have favors and go bare anymore they just have go bare so with porzingis starting at the five that's not really a disadvantage if you have like during at the four now I mean there's some teams where you might have to make adjustments and maybe that's why they got Willie Cauley Stein. Yeah I don't know I just I kind of I like perusing is playing at the five I think offensively it just makes so much sense and then also I don't think holly standing can start at the four anyways. Well well in in the jazz play Royce. O.`Neil at power forward. He's listed at six four and a lot of teams are like so. I think they'll probably run a same lineup out there against the jazz. I'm curious to see how the Jazz respond because really the Jeff had a very cake. Easy schedule they haven't played a good team in a long time and they haven't faced the mavericks yet this year. So I know they're always historically really good defensive team and it's almost impossible able to win in Utah. But I'd like to see how this offense with with the five out with Porzingas at the five impacts agree offensive team. Well the jazz. I was looking at the notes today and the jazz have won the season series. I want to say the blast two or three seasons or more her last season they swept the season series. Now this is a different team. The Mavericks have been very good. They'll has two three seasons. I felt we beat them last year. By like fifty. There was a fifty point yet. Yeah Yeah Resources Season Series and we have been. We haven't been good and they have. Yeah but yeah I mean like going back to the starting porzingas at the five. It's like seeing the jazz have go bare but then Royce. O.`Neil is six four or like you know even the thunder. They have Steven Adams but they don't have another traditional big next to him. The rockets have clean Capello. But they don't. I have another huge big a lot of these teams. They have a dominant guy inside but assigned to. Yeah so you don't really in terms of size this not something that I usually need to worry about. I mean even the clippers size is not really their strength right and I think having Porzingis at the five kind of negates the rim protection of Gobert. Obviously he's still going to be a force throughout the game but you're you're limiting. How much he's going to impact the game having pausing because if he's all the way Porzingis then it just opens up for a driver but he sags off a porzingas porzingas willing to shoot from forty feet? So I like it. I I think the Mavericks are going to run with that lineup. I really liked the lineup. In general Another reason why I liked it is because it took another ball handler off of that second unit. I thought not one of the reasons why Dhillon Jalen have been kinda inconsistent and really set for that matter is because all three played the same time. Yeah they're minutes or sometimes yes and Jalen will get ten minutes a game and moving seth to these starting lineup allows Jalen a little more freedom and Dhillon a little bit for they played together Watt and the game and they're able to have more minutes have more opportunities to make a play because it kind of shortens the rotation. I Know Carlisle. The Mavericks only played nine players against the blazers. And I know that's not. How Carlisle likes to do it but really honesty when he short in the lineup? That just means you're best employers. Have the ball in their hands the most frequently instead of trying to run eleven guys out there. Yeah they were Reggie Miller was talking about during the game. How Carlisle L.? He always likes to go like ten or eleven deep. And it's like it doesn't matter who is on the roster you could have Michael Jordan and then a bunch of just. Nobody's no buddies but he would still go fifteen in the game and it's like it's just not necessary. I know they have all this data that if they look into about longevity of players and all that I get that but that doesn't mean you have to play that many guys. Yeah so once you get to your bench. Those kinds aren't going to be playing alone in minutes anyway. So I like to how it shortened the lineup and he gave more opportunities Jalen Dhillon to make plays and not just stand standing there staring at some point. So here's a question What does Willie Cauley Stein? Bring to the team. I mean we think he's going to come off the bench but regardless what do you think are his strengths. Or what can they look forward. The only I have it looks like Tyson. I haven't watched a lot of Willie Collie early Stein. Other than the fact that he's a he can jump really high and really good at dunking only use. But yeah exactly you know so it. It sounds exactly like Dwight Powell and a lot of people think that he's just GONNA fit right into that starting lineup and he very may well they their decision. The Mavericks decision may be for him to start. Yeah Eh I don't see how it works defensively. But that's what they they say that they probably GonNa do. But I think it's more of having a guy who can roll. I think you'll see a lot of minutes with him and Maxi playing together and I think he'll be a roll man for Luca he'll probably be playing with Luca. But but it's really just having a quality big. Come off your back. Yeah so this year. He's averaged eight points six rebounds and one in point two blocks as a starter. He's playing twenty three minutes a game and then last year he averaged twelve points. Eight rebounds for that is about thirteen point seven rebounds. He's really not. He's not a skilled big. He's like an energy big but he's a role guy he'll he'll roll role and dunk it or he'll say around the basket and get a tip in or hill apart yeah blocker he'll hustle the ball away on on the offensive board. He's he's that kind of player. He's like the energy and like you're not going to give the ball to him. He can't really shoot. It probably doesn't have any post moves but he fills that that role of a big man role and I mean like you said they might start him. He's played center his entire career. Maybe they thinking play power forward. I mean that remains is to be seen. Yeah next question. Do you think that this is the last trade. They're gonNA make because like I said all they traded a Whiz the Utah Jazz a second round. Pick as far as I know I mean all these other assets that people talked about they still have yeah. I don't know I'm curious to see what happens with this Dhillon right situation situation. He has complained in the past about maybe not so much complained but he has mentioned about the whole bench star thing you can tell. He didn't really agree with the decision. But whatever the coach needed fine but then Dorell Wright your brother came out with the tweet let me read this tweet. He said a some dudes. Get the bag that means money they make a lot of money. Just okay cool. I did not know that. Some dudes get the bag and be happy to play. Maybe play play play play. You GotTa do that. Does all the little things to help your team when every night and you don't use him. Ll Watch out. I'm fed up. I I don't know what that last part means but basically we assume he's talking about delong. Obviously not the Portland in the clipper game He didn't play a a lot of minutes but he made a huge play at the end of the game. We getting the steel and he does do a lot of the little things. Now he is a little inconsistent. It was scoring the ball. What is impacting that as him his decision making or is it because we had too many guards out there with him he didn't have enough opportunities? Yeah I feel like I feel like I interrupted. You know I just so it it. It remains to be seen really. Yeah what what's going to happen with Dorian island avalon with Dhillon personally. I don't think they will make a move and less. It is something that's going to put them in true contention Incheon status but I don't think they have the pieces to do that. Yeah my thing was Dhillon is like he's more skilled than I thought. as a ball handler. He's a pretty good playmaker and sometimes he has these drives. It require a lot of skills to make the shot but then sometimes times he's hesitant or I don't not aggressive. Yeah every so in sometimes he wines which annoys me but yes so so I don't know it's like the hesitancy that's that's different from a lack of skill like he clearly has skill but he doesn't always use it and what causes that. I don't yeah you've seen games where he is being aggressive and he's impacting. The Game Carlisle will keep him out there and play him a lot of minutes. But then we'll have a game where he kinda just disappears. Here's he's not really involved. He's not really being aggressive. Carlisle's Lamela those games and it's hard to say. Well you need to play more. But when he's out there he's not doing anything and Carlisle's really big on if you've got a player who that's why he plays fifty players at night is because one of them's bound to have a big night and that one's GonNa get rewarded awarded with with Heavy minutes or heavier minutes. Yeah it's awesome. I don't know it goes back to the same. We've said or that I've said before I feel like AAC. Some players have a really short leash and some players will get their minutes. No matter what from Carlisle questions favoritism. Yeah Yeah and and I mean I guess that is the definition of favorites. It is. Yeah but yeah. It's like some guys and he'll say this like you. No you gotta you gotta be ready. Stay ready you gotta play hard be aggressive. You know persistence defense. Like that's going to be on the court and some guys he holds them to that. They're not focused or not. Playing will out of the game and then some guys they play thirty minutes no matter what no matter what. And it's like I don't understand I like the logic of what you do with this other guy but it doesn't seem like you do it across the board well and then there's two players one story an Fini's Smith the other was Dwight Powell l.. Who are favorites of Carlisle? He loves them. I think durians leading the team in minutes so I mean I don't know if that means anything but as much as I love Dorian is he really the guy that's overall impacting your game. So much where he has to play the most Minnesota a lot of this probably because his body type and his jeans were he he heavy minutes and have Gone Lake. How many minutes can your body? Yes and he's never injured. He's never store. He's never sprained his ankle. He doesn't do anything like the amount of minutes he plays seems to have no impact on him so he averages twenty nine and a a half minutes porzingas is at thirty one. Lucas thirty three okay. So Ms third-highest and the guy was Powell in both of those they can do. No wrong Tom. Yeah with with Carlisle but other players just I mean they are has done that in the past. Yes so I think I feel like Dhillon is on them. He and his brother isn't helping him. Yeah Megan at work. His Carlisle's aren't going to be like. Okay Wow I got a lot of. I'm surprised he played it all. Yeah but he played in Carlton's kind of grown a little bit too. He's not as has tough stiff if knows as it used to be. So maybe he's you know. Hey you know I have a young guy here. Wants to place who played them and Dhillon played well against Portland. Yeah I mean so. It's like to be fair. Delone does sometimes lack urgency or aggressive but on the other side on the other hand he is a skilled offensive player. And he's a very good defender I don't feel like defense is a priority for any of these guys right now but he has the skill to be a good deal. I think the lawn is he. He's an elite help side defender like He. He's good at at cutting the passing lanes or jump in the passing lanes getting his hands when somebody's driving this not really his lawyer he can kinda reach over and still ball but one on one on defense. I think he's okay with that. There's been a lot of times where he's Kinda slow footed laterally. He gets blown right past now he can recover sometimes and sneak in there for a block or elite rip but a Lotta Times he gets burned and it's a wide open layup so I think he's an okay on ball defender but I think he's in a wheat help side defender okay. So here's my thing with the defense right now because Dhillon right. We've seen him be a good defender during an Fini's Smith I know that he's a good defender but I don't feel like anybody is is really focused on defense right now and and those guys are included so I feel like I know that during Finish Smith or I think he is a better defender under than what he's doing right now and same thing with Dhillon because I don't think any purchase not informed. I think collectively the team just doesn't prioritize it and so those guys they've they fall into that 'cause they're not the leaders they fall into what the team does. Well they also know they can score basically need time down the court and so deep down in the back of their head they gotta be thinking a we're gonna be able to score on this guy so their energy isn't there all the time on defense. The problem is is when he played teams. That do bring the energy on defense and slow you down. Can't score time downright and one thing I thought about when I was driving home. My hour commute from from work is the Mavericks. Don't know how to win ugly right. Yes yes they don't want him. Oh Yes let's not freak out is okay okay. But elite teams like the clippers. Even if they're not shooting well or things aren't going their way in its physical they're able to to win those games but the mavericks haven't developed that ability to play uglier water that's experience recognizing that we we got to win games when our offense isn't and always going. Yes you you are saying everything that I've been feeling that I haven't been able to put into words it's like I don't know what it's like. Why why does this? Why do these things happen or like what are they always do this? Or why can't and linked and that's what it is if they're shot the now. Okay okay taking out the Portland game because I know the blazers went on a run as because we're GonNa talk about that Ryan okay. I feel like we've already talked about the game. So hey but like my point was dead it just just racy okay. But yes. Whenever like? Their shot isn't falling or the defense playing them really tightly or the team is making the comeback. Or they're playing some weird full court press or win whatever. It's not a perfect game on all sides. It's it's like they don't know they forget how to play are they can't win those game and sometimes they they forget it just there's a there's an extra level of execution Shen. Yeah there's an extra level of focus that you have to get to to knock it to the ball stolen rip from you to not get your shot blocked to not turn it over to make the shot regardless. So there's an extra level of that focus and I think because there's such a young team. We talked about this before they none of the players on the starting lineup. Other than the Portland game have been on a winning team. Yeah you know. Obviously Seth started winning. Yeah so but other than that. They've never won so they don't know what that extra gear is. That's why losses to the clippers and the Lakers and other teams. They they see they suck when they happen. They do but ultimately that's galvanizing this young team. It's teaching them how to win those games whether whether they're GONNA learn that this year I doubted that Kinda comes with experience. Yeah but those losses are actually important in the long run because they see how it's actually done and that's it's actually and that's why making the playoffs and making it as far as you can go is important because the further you get into the playoffs the better those teams these are in those teams know how to win and right now the mavericks would probably let's say they made it to the second round and face the clippers. It probably go knocked out four games to one really similar to the young Nash. Dirk Finley Mom's face the powerhouse and in the first round they they won and then they faced the Sacramento Kings. He's in the second round and just got destroyed even know they had a better record and and we're better offensive team so I think that's what the mavericks are dealing with right now so when things get get ugly they can win some of them but they can win consistently against the really elite teams. Well that's like if you think about dirk in his will we'll just his whole career the the way that defense is would play him with so physical. What Chris he's in the post it's just naturally more physical teams would like be fouling him just constantly the whole time arms and hands all over him but they're not going to call it every time but he got to the point like all superstars and all you know all time greats to he could score no matter what the defense did even if he got fouled he would make it any way and maybe they called hold a foul mayor? They didn't but he was going to score no matter what and and Luca has to get to that point. Obviously that's asking a lot but that's the point you have to get to on a AH on a really high level for Luca to score no matter what the defense says but you know also taking it down just to the team of being able to play and score four and get good shots and hit bigshots regardless of what the defense did and you know this this goes back and I knew it was kind of a little bit. We're kind of all over the place now. But this is the concern. I have with the lack of mid range game because in those situations where the defense is all on you and is very physical to try to shoot threes and step back threes in that situation the percentages plummet. Yeah so you have to have a go to move in the mid range where yes the points per possession is lower but your chances of making that shot are way higher especially if you can develop a go to move. Yeah I think it's not even so much like okay. Let me try to get it. It's more just having the ability to do you take any shot. Yes exactly yeah and you know the thing with Dirk also is is he. He learned to enjoy the physicality Because is when when a player is really physical with him. He kind of felt where he was he he. He knew what kind of angles he had. And I think Lucas got to do that. I think Luka hates is it right now yeah I think it dries them. Say He's not even trying to make the shy. He's just hoping they call a field but I think he's got another gear that he he will eventually go into. But yeah. That's that's what I think of of the Manton. I don't know how we started talking about it. You just eat like they don't. I don't know how to win ugly games when things don't go their way or the other team is making a comeback or when the officials aren't calling the fouls or whatever it is they don't sometimes win because they have a really great offense going against the team that just not as Atlanta. WHO's not a very good team but yeah they. It's like this. The circumstances have to be perfect in order for them to win. And if they're not it's you're you're not sure like if you're if I'm watching watching them. Play the Lakers or the clippers or whatever team plays them that way. It's like ooh. I don't know what's going to happen in this game. Because and if the Lakers or the clippers decide I just show up. Yeah then they're probably GONNA way yeah if they don't show Then you have a good chance at winning. Yeah I mean that's really the the the definition of a of a young team a young good. Yeah you know the win fifty wins. I believe they will. I know there's a lot that still think that they're gonNA come back down down to Earth whatever that means but I believe that they will win fifty games and they'll be a really good young team and they might get out of the first round depending on the matchup I don't think they get any further than that. I'd be surprised if they did will. We have Tyson Chandler junior year so today at all. Okay Yeah anyways yeah. I don't know how we go on that either but somehow I went from Willie collies time to shoot right. Can't get minutes. It's too where winning the championship. But I think we did somehow get onto Dhillon right because my question was are they going to make any other moves in. I don't think they will. Analysts analysts for that guy. That's going to take him over and I don't think first of all that guy isn't available was we. Don't have anybody to give them cause to get that guy. You gotTA give up reality. Acid like similar names. I've heard thrown around bug dunk Bogdanovich which is a nice to have. But he's not the guy. Yeah Robert Covington the obvious agape been linked to him forever Let me see Tristan Thompson. But that was was back when they needed to fill. Minutes for Powell PNEUMONIA ALITA which that one I like. Yeah but that was just kind of an idea. And then Gaulan Ari so Kevin. Kevin O'Connor wrote a piece saying that the mass were interested in Gallon Ari. He also said that he didn't think they had the assets for it. But you know yes Again now if that one the little is a little more intriguing because it allows them all the moths the mavs play small ball. And if Porzingas is okay with it then go all in in my the opinion that that opens up the field for you canal Robert Covington. Is that much more valuable. But I also really liked have in seth in there because they just don't have in a wheat playmaker so when you have Tim and said it kind of makes up a little bit for that and it takes them to another level so we'll see what happens in the Utah Game Maybe they kind of like this. This works well and to your point about being able to use the mid rim been committed. Raise your face now. You have to edit editing that while Tim Hardaway. Junior is very good in the mid range. And so seth curry is actually doing in the mid range too. I mean he's not he's an shooter so you can shoot it from anywhere. PORZINGUS US to be. You know maybe one of these years. They'll they'll shoot a mid range shot with Porzingis but you know we'll see what happens having porzingas being able to shoot it from thirty feet and if he does that consistently I mean going forward forward. That's just going to make them so dangerous even more dangerous on offense than they already are. I just feel like there's so many things they have to learn like you know we were talking earlier the two do things that I want you to work on. This summer is free throws and three point shooting and then also learning to just stop op shooting threes. When they're not going in which we thought he did learn that but he did not cause against Portland is now I mean they still won his in and I think it's kind of the whole team like they shoot a lot of threes which I don't have a problem with because they have a lot of good shooters but sometimes they'll drive it and I don't know how many times against Portland they would drive it? And then pass it out and I would be like you had a layup. Luca or seth or whoever they drive five it or they get a pull up then they pass I whenever I watched it again. Whiteside is really good recovery. Guy I like he can recover really really well so there's times when a layup looks open and he can recover really quickly and get a block shot and I think it was more of instead of trying to force a layup on whiteside they dished out to a wide open three maybe and really the entire game or they scored one hundred and thirty three points. Now everybody's freaking freaking out because of that the twenty five points. They lost it but when you re watch that run the blazers went on the Mavericks. Still ran their offense. They were still getting wide open. Threes there is a couple of things you can clean up you know for the most part. It was the same thing that just worse drawing and yet when we watched it the second time a lot a lot of the guys that were on the court it was like just Justin Jackson. Yeah it wasn't their lineup right now for a little bit seth was out. There and Luca was out there but for some of that it was their bench. Guys it was like you know durians shooting three. You're Justin Jackson or all. These guys are pretty good shooters but it's not like it was Chris tops and luke out there so I thought they played really well during that run other than missing shots. They didn't Dame Dana Dana literally which is from the locus. Nothing about rebels down to about a forty foot line and just pull up it happened. Swish it every single time. Yeah if the Mavericks panicked like they've done in the past then they would have gone to a little bit more ice. Oh Ball. It wouldn't have ran their offense they would have been turned it all over the turn it over all over the place MHM. I thought they did not do that. The crowd was going nuts. They were running their offense. They were getting open shots. I just want falling eventually. They started falling again and then they would studio run well and then you know they it was I think it was a Dorian three. Or maybe seth curry three that kind of it ended a drought house. And then from that point on the blazers still played really well and it kind of stayed like a ten nine eleven point game for the rest of the game but the run was over the mavericks turned it around and they refocused and they finished it off. which like you said? They don't really. I know it was only eight point game but really it was because the guy shot three the end of the Game Paddison ads. Yeah and so. That's what made it an eight point game but anyways that's it's the blazers game. Yes for my thoughts on that. So you don't anticipate anymore trades although I would also we have gallon Ra but so yeah. I don't thing they have the pieces. Okay so that's that's Willey Cauley Stein. Let us know your thoughts on that. We're going to move onto another topic but you can tweet us. Let us know what you think Cauley Stein. Do you think he's going to start. How did you feel when you heard the news and Martin is a question for you to? Did you feel when you heard the news awesome. Yeah I mean I you know I've four been like the biggest Willie Cauley Stein Fan. Just because he was a really high pick and I think you could call us yes And so I just I never had high thoughts of him at all and so when I heard they gotTa Automo- saying Oh man. I never really such a maverick trade for Willie but respectful to him thankfully was into this fan pot. You know. We're just spitballing. That all going to be gold but yeah and I think when I look at it as like okay they just gave keep up the second ruin pig. I don't even know if he's going to start to fill in the minutes I get it I think it works and then when I looked at his picture realize he looks like time doesn't doesn't Lucchini Mike Tyson Chandler. anyways it's it's okay to be wrong so But yeah let us know your thoughts okay. So next topic. Well we kind of already talked about the Portland Game Great. Yeah I think we've covered. My main thing is was in a lot of people felt and really some other podcasters. It's a bunch of other podcasts. After the game mm-hmm they all seem to have fell or felt. They all seem to fail. The all felt that The mavericks during that run the seventeen th and run did not play. You know to be honest with you. Finish to to be honest with you. I felt that way until we went back and watch right and I remember when we watched it. I was actually really really happy. Because they didn't fall into Luca Luca we could. We could step but it was really great ball move it was and it was wide open shot after wiped by different guys. Yes and they just didn't fall in unfortunately Damian dribble down and pulled up and made it a long distance three so I thought during that run they played really well. The crowd was going nuts but they stuck to their game plan they executed and eventually they had shot star fallen again and they basically ended yeah and like they did miss the shots and I don't I don't know if that was because of the pressure or if it was because like I said earlier it was just. I'm talked to shooting just happened to miss so but the point was like while I did feel the blazers did go on a run and they it was a pretty pretty amazing run with Damian. The mavs eventually guide and control of it And I think that's really a step in the right direction. Yeah because because when you're on the road in Europe by twenty points at the home team's GonNa make a run off. Guaranteed almost every single time Damian Lillard any shooting like that he had forty seven points he was use on fire. So it's not really you know if they're going to have a run. It's it's how do you respond to the Ron and I thought the Mavericks Emerson a much better job in this game. They have done in the past Disney and to your point about them not being able to win ugly games games like that was a good example of how things got ugly and they they missed the shots for whatever reason but they were able to pull it out now if if that's better team I don't know if that happens I agree with you. I think that's something they need to learn over time and they did okay. They did better but there were still a couple pull of plays like a a turnover. Lucas still shot a bunch of threes. Were unnecessary and he needed. Just shooting them with the DELUCA. I think we because you can be a streaky. Three point shooter. I don't care how many threes he shoots as long as it's within the rhythm of the game. My concern is late in the game. Uh when when the game really matters I don't want him to turn into a Westbrook. Yeah who one shot yes and one out of ten games. He'll make it and everybody goes nuts and it's awesome but the other nine. He's shooting these setbacks. It's just bad shots too late in the games I would like to see better decision decision making from him and you know it's so sad that that were wiped the guys twenty years old. You know if he wasn't averaging twenty twenty nine points a game we would. He'd have a free pass to do whatever but because he's so good. It's like well. If you're this good you gotta be even better was not fair to that. I mean he's a second year our player Mo second year players do what he's doing Arzu expectations like when you look at which Aaron Jackson Junior is doing doing for the Grizzlies He. He's almost like a free pass. Yeah he's on a superstar but if he has a good game it's like sweet. This guy has a bright future you know. Oh and it's like so luke is amazing and I think he's going to be or is already one of the best players in the top ten player in the League But yet there's there's things so that yeah sorry a another thing I thought about that one was his this decision making but also being more physical offensively yet. Because your point you were talking about how he He can't always finish finish when the guys are are really physical like Lebron James Does yeah and I feel like he needs to instead of trying to get foul call just insert his will and the physical. Yeah and make the shot anyways. Sorry to cut you off. Well Yeah Lake to that point. Sometimes guys lucrative he he shoots or whatever to try to get a fell call. And I'm like just to try to make the shot. And then if they call a foul they call. It fell but tried I to make it like. That's the point of all of this but yeah there's some things that are skill and there's some things that are just experienced that you just have have to learn like being able to make three. Pointers is a skill. He clearly has that but knowing went fisher wind that comes with experience and a good thing is for for man's fans next year he'll probably be finished product at the rate that he learns the NBA game. Next year he could be averaging thing thirty three thirty four points a game and be the most dominant player in the League speaking of which. He's a starter. Oh Yes all-star Game Star Star game. Definitely he deserved. ooh There's a theory. Oh really yes. Oh wait no okay you yours and then walked on avs. Yeah I think. So Isaac Harris and Nick instead talked about how we could. You couldn't vote for him. Four right two days. Oh I didn't hear that okay. So after the first ballot came back and he was beating Lebron and the votes the next day when it was broken. It was bro that in the morning I was trying to vote and I was like. That's weird it but then I heard it was everybody and I was like It wasn't though conspiracy. Yes so you could not vote for hookah for like a whole day. Luca the only lost by like one hundred and sixty thousand votes so one day of some people believe that they they. It's rigs you no so so Lebron would would win. It's not enough to draft or to rid the NBA draft. We have to rig the all. This is a fun theory. Obviously I don't think it's real but in all honesty. How many did he not get that time period in all honesty the voting was broken for a day the NBA didn't do anything about it? So even if it wasn't rigged were tallying votes and you can vote for a guy like this isn't fair anyways anyways Luca will probably be the starter for the next twelve years. Yeah I mean the the captain like especially since he actually gets voted in sturgis should have been a starter under his once. He was better. Yeah but he was only he was only a starter like twice injury injuries. Yeah he was never voted in as a starter but thankfully people like Luca. He's kind of flesh flashy player and all that so he'll get voted in Disappointed he's not. He's not a captain but man when I saw it because because you weren't at home I was driving driving home. Yeah and I was watching it. It was just like it was awesome. It was so cool to see and then and then you realized man this this is bigly he. He's one e a he's an all-star start like this is such a big moment for him. Aside from the a family casts a person. That's a big moment. Carmelo said as man fans do we appreciate what we have with him and I mean he he the only the last guy to to start the all star game at around the same age was Lebron. Yeah back in two thousand five. And there's been a lot of superstars in the league between two thousand and five and now Steph Anthony Davis Derrick rose jaanus derrick rose like none of these guys started. The All star are game as young as Luke is. He's the sixth youngest player ever to start up and the youngest since Lebron. Yeah but you know Rashard Phillips oops would tell you that he inflation yet. He's also the youngest European ever to be voted as starter. So it's it's going to be awesome. what you said. I think he'll be the captain probably twelve times of the next twelve years. I mean he after him in the West. Well it's legit. Yes but going to retire in. Here's a question so we'll Lebron's to play for another five years. So but he's he's not gonNA be like Lebron for five years so as Lebron gets older if he starts declining does he still give voted in as a captain. No because this year he wouldn't wouldn't have if his gosh darn it okay. Yeah I'm just excited. I can't wait till like if Luca drops forty in the game game and then I'm going to tweet out. Yeah but can't he do it again. Kansas state I think is going to happen is the only person that's going to take. It seriously. Is this is GonNa be no trae young and trae young dropped forty and we're GONNA have like twelve but the whole time. He's just going to be joking around. Throw an Alley Allie. Yes I'm Fox. Prediction trae young is GonNa Win All Star game in. MVP now no never going to happen. I shouldn't and even be a starter because it only the guy that wins it is the guy that was the only one that Syria and I think he will. And of course this is all the first dog in on him so much. I don't care yeah. I think he's going to go for it and therefore I think he'll win it. Yeah and and look trae young and I signed again. Isaac Harris Mention this nothing against trae young but you are literally on the worst. You are literally no offence. Offends is but you. But he's literally on the worst team in the league. Yeah how you start a guy in the all-star game with the best players in the League league when he is on the worst he emily and like obviously I don't think trae young sucks not far but yeah it's a starter. It's it's so hard to judge his talent level because yeah they are the worst team in the league. So it's like every every sucky team has a twenty point point scorer and you never know you're like is he really that good cassette. Put Him on a good team and their fifteen times like Anthony. Davis was very good on the Pelicans when they sucked and he's very good on the Lakers. But some guys they average twenty on a sucky team tin on a Yes Bosch Kevin. So it's it's like is he really twenty nine points today. I don't know and that's that's not a Kinda disc but it's just a question that I can't answer and and honestly defensively like first of all. Actually you know what I can't answer. He doesn't really try defensively but even if he did he so little. Oh in so unfeasible on the defensive in He provides zero resistance. They can't stop anybody yes I don't Wanna I don't want this turn into a tree is yes and he'll probably take it seriously to prove that he belongs. MVP and everybody else is just GonNa be like having fun okay. So who picks Luca Iran or Yoenis. I think Lebron. We'll pay Luca I think he's GonNa talk to Anthony Davis so Anthony Davis doesn't get but her but he picked Anthony Davis last year. I yeah that was his way of saying. Hey come play with the Lakers. But I think this my prediction is Lebron is GonNa Pick Luka. Maybe not. Because he's he may not be deserving to be the first pick which I think he is once you take off Jaanus and Lebron. It's Luca either it's Kinda hot topic. Yeah so I think he'll pick Luca I think will be the first pick. Yeah I kind of think that too just like and they asked Lebron you gave his first last year. You're going to do the same thing. And he kinda just laughed onto his. I like him that much. I don't know what that means gave myself an out. Yeah Yeah and I even filtering on purpose is due to a one as soon as I saw that. That's what I thought because I think Lebron Iran has a lot of respect for Luca and I think because Luca grew up crying over Lebron posters. You know that it's going to pick him. Yeah Yeah I mean. I don't know I I think he will be his only chance to play with them. I just ran into chance. Yeah to Luca could mean a lot. Yeah I think ron recognizes that and quite honestly I might cry little if I was Gonna say something until you get all only motion on me but you know. Luke is going to cry when he's on the core as soon as at ball's tipped up into the air realize wait. I'm on the same team. We're Lebron Alley with Lebron. Like how how would look even react to that like he would cry. Yeah and then he better come back home to Dallas it just race all of that from his mind cause it ain't happening because he was coming here what was just a guess. Yes okay All right so summarized to summarize the potty Mavericks Guy Tyson Chandler Junior all my God Dhillon is being traded. Missing is should always play. The five agreed and Luca is going to go down as the the greatest player ever to play yet. You know what. That's exactly what I was going to say. I think he is okay. I honestly believe he will be considered considered the greatest player to ever play the game at some point at some point in history. Statistically somebody's going to have to be better Jordan. It cannot be the greatest player of all time forever. Somebody's GONNA surpass them. People say Lebron. That's a load of crap but can't Lebaron has done and in our is he still hasn't surpass Jordan but he's only I got three rings how many. VP's five. I think for yes. He's he's the top three all time leading score top viewer. He probably will get to talk to the second and I don't think as Korean at most. He's equal cool to Jordan. Also say his second I do too I think is it's Jordan and then we'll braun but I just for what I've seen from a guy as young as luke is as smart as he is in a skilled as he is when he is twenty seven twenty eight years old. He's GonNa be on stoppable. It doesn't matter what defense you put on them. His size and his athleticism will athletics. Yes his athleticism to do what he does. A six seven many conversations. Because you know I. I'm arguing with people. That are you know what they're going to soon as they hear that fast. I don't anyone listening to this. podcast would say that but anyways I I know I'm a fan boy and I I know I'm biased But that is are you wrong. Yes if I say it now and I turn out to be right. You can claim so I am claiming it. I think luke is going to go down as the greatest player to ever play the game. And we'll see see you in twenty years when he retires. Yup It all depends on championships. Really he has to win at least one and honestly to vote to be the greatest latest of all time. He's gotTa win or four to five yet or match Jordan. Of course even short. I mean Bill. Russell won eleven. So it's not like yeah but that doesn't count. It was like one hundred years. Glad we decided that well. There was like four teams in the League. But he's also playing against Wilt Chamberlain Guy Oscar Robertson. All these guys were. The fact is getting higher starting lineup of the All Star game. I'm just saying saying like all these guys. It's not like he was playing against Allen Iverson tracing the these guys are all time greats in themselves another one another guy that played laidback yes. I don't know exactly because they're not that good. Yeah you named the only bream told you bar I mean later yeah. Later Bill Russell ever played Kareem. You played well. I don't think now Kareem. Yeah you're right but Karima wilt overlapped. Yeah but one. It was a lot older. Yeah wasn't much you're right. Yeah so the fact that you named Patrick Ewing close shack. Apparently shack played so long ago. That maybe he did play then because the game talks now in their minds. Yeah I'm trying to think. Think of other guys. They don't exist. Pistol Pete BEC. I'm just naming names. Thank you have to ask that question. I'm just going to throw out random names to make me. He sounds smarter. Hey member fat lever. Wasn't he a good guy was in the eighties. Yeah we'll be free you know how it's say. Yes he you what he reminds me of Johnny. I love when Jeff Skin way that does that he. He has such a knowledge college. You know what he reminds me of Alan Parker seeing because he only he knows that because he's washed it he knows those dues. He knows their skill level for like dude. We don't have that mind. Luca will drive in for like a wide open layup like like Yep just like Johnson Monroe. Yeah I remember handed layups Jersey A. We don't know these guys like you do can. Can you use somebody with no anyways. Yeah so great pod good trade and we'll see when fifteen years when Lucas the goat and his statue can be right next to dirk statue. A statue is going to come. I don't know I heard that. His Jersey will be retired as early earliest this year. But I think that I feel like they should do it next year. Just because when after Wade has done his that's all I care about how they already do ways you hear. They're doing the three. I'm going to another thing. I'm going to go all it is the most overrated player to ever play this this. I'm right there which I'm sorry there with me. Let's run it down first of all never want an MVP okay second of all. Oh six rig rig I I mean and his other two rings and Chris Bosh and Chris Bosh but we act like an and they win against the thunder who did not belong there anyway anyway. 'cause they just happen to beat the Spurs and the previous series at the Spurs really should have won. And No dwayne Wade is the most overrated player ever. I'm not saying he's not an all-star I'm not saying he's not a hall of Famer but let's stop acting like he's a legend a first ballot hall of Famer. I don't know I don't I don't know I mean I think he'll get in but I don't think I don't know if he's deserving I mean I guess maybe he's just he's just not on the level of Tim Duncan Yeah Eh. Kobe Bryant Dirk Nowitzki. I don't care what Miami people say he's not on that level and we. We're treating him a three day ceremony. I now now. I mean for crying out. Now what he meant to Miami the franchise. I get that about the well yet true but you know he went back and retired there. Yeah well but he left. Yeah they didn't want him. They didn't resign and he went to go play with his La- bum. Mm I feel like we're just at this point. I feel remy. I think you know why because the mavericks played on the West Coast last night and we didn't go to bed to like twelve thirty thirty right. Now we're just running off indoor. I'm a little delirious as act delirium I am delirium are you done. Are we done here. I was done like tournaments. Simmons go okay. Thank you guys so much for listening. Remember using all of the show on twitter at Dallas whose cast at underscore Sidney Meyers. Martin is Martin L. L. Myers. The website is Dallas whose dot com articles news shop. Jerseys great great advertisement there for the web. Thank you guys relisting. The worldwide Web Joe to worldwide Web Dot DALLAS hoops CAST S. dot com. 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Morning Joe 9/10/19

MSNBC Morning Joe

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Morning Joe 9/10/19

"Party doesn't exist because it's run by a bunch of leftists. That's what's happened. It would be all right. I want to keep winning. We are seeing a lot of these days. We got a lot around. It's on the record we need to be motivated. Waited began to be getting me to this evening all right good morning and welcome to morning Joe. It's it's Tuesday September tenth along with Joe Willie and me we have. MSNBC contributor Mike Barnicle former aide to the George W Bush White House and State State Department Elise Jordan is with US former FBI special agent and MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR Clint Watts White House reporter for the Associated Press Press Jonathan Lemere is with us and pose surprise winning columnist and assess it ever the Washington Post and MSNBC political analyst Eugene Robinson have have you all with us. Yeah Willie Willie Geist. We all have our verbal tics mainline for the longest time was when I was in Congress I tell I would bring together together. Simmons Meek is certainly not a good. SNL moment though so but I mean we all have verbal tic so you know what's yours really. I don't know the one that's most annoying I think in our prison cultures people all saying right at the end of the sentence you know what I mean as to affirm the thing they just said but asking it in the form of a question. I don't mean to get a small rant top of the show but that's annoying. I guess what I'm the thing is. I have no annoying for politics. I guess so Jonathan Ly Mirror of course are are annoying. Verbal pick right. Now is the red sox. Suck lost again to the Yankees last night not the red sox themselves but we'll just say some of the decisions I made made over the past year when they decided that well winning the world series wasn't really all that important to them certainly with what they did trading deadlines headlines Right Happy News last night. We actually had a guy that came out and pitched the opening pitch. Jackson was actually better pitch than anything that Portillo through all year yeah. It was great to see David Ortiz again last night. This is the first public appearance since he was shot back in his home whether to making republic a few months ago he had a difficult recovery. We've seen some instagram photos awesome recently but this is the first time out among the masses and at Fenway Park you can see the rotation there. He received well-deserved really glad to see him him doing better as far as the team. They didn't look pretty good at all. this season Joe and Mike is it's over. It's been over for a while and of course now we're dealing with the aftermath of the General Dave Dombrowski the general manager who who you'll let them to help lead them to a world series title last year but did nothing to improve the bullpen made a bunch of question decisions seems to have lost the support of the manager's advantage of the ownership and the clubhouse so when you put together I guess it was time for him to go down pretty bad mike a wonderful moment last night and by the way I mean the red sox players I love of the team they were just let down by you know Dombrowski and everybody else this year without getting a pitch or just a great group of guys but that was a good moment last night. Hi wasn't it that was a great moment and it was it was nice to see him out there. Obviously this is Jonathan just indicated back healthy for on the way he always does. He could never throw left popsicle matthew US right willies right right right really yeah. It was a great night and looks the you know. We know what happened. This year. We knew early on and the Dombrowski firing was clearly because the team was upset that he seemed not to do anything in fact did nothing at the trading deadline at the end of July but baseball is such a wonderful game that it's therapy still being out there each night. Well I gotta say I I was watching last night and I mean even knowing that we are out. It was so wonderful being able to watch and I was I was already mourning the passing of baseball season ause it it is yes it is just such a part of our lives just even if it make it make it even loves it in the background. It's just it's wonderful. It's I mean I could do James Earl Jones speech speech from field of dreams right now but I'm going to ask you if you will to tell us about the rally last night North Carolina over the summer of course really really the start of a precipitous decline for Donald trump and his behavior bad gets worse and his poll numbers dropped because of it but North Carolina of course place where most commentators said trump lead the crowd in what can only be described as fascist chance can't said a lot of commentators single send them back sent her home. What about last night it was it? Was it calmer a fair last night in North Carolina airliner with Donald Trump so we're in Fayetteville North Carolina last night I was part of the press cool that travel there to cover the president's rally it was it was all about only about one hundred miles from the the site of the previous rally in Greenville where the racist centreback chance about those four democratic congresswoman of color particular representative Omar who was born in Somalia those chance chance we're heard and really rattled Republicans seem to really set a tone for really ugly year and a half year of a campaign fought long lines of of racing recent divisiveness. We didn't hear those chance last night. The crowd the crowd never got anywhere in the president also did not mention any of those congresswoman's those no moment for them to to start with that chain again. We've now had a few rallies in which we have in a row which we have we have not heard it but last night's rally is still a potentially interesting moment for the president because as of today special election in North Carolina where he is trying to push a Republican candidate across the finish line to win an open seat there and it's being viewed as a referendum on his political clout right now the district is part of it is the suburban areas or outside Charlotte where he has struggled in the past. It's a seat Republicans have held for quite some time but polling indicates. It's is pretty close and we saw from the president. This is his first time in this rally setting which of course is where he likes to to vent into to sort of air his grievances since of really top end of summer for him where we saw his poll numbers slip we saw signs of the economy slowing down potentially leading towards the recession we saw a nonsensical battle over hurricane hurricane weather forecasts but he largely stuck to the script is if he ever actually has one last night but he made it clear he painted a bleak picture for this nation. If Democrats were to win according to him that it would be overrun with crime and poverty and and illegal immigrants and he sort of he basically made it clear that if you want to to keep what we have you need to keep me and ideally office and ideally send this Republicans in the House so willy before we get to our top news story of the day I saw a poll that David Leonhardt a put out on on twitter last night that showed that the Democrats actually we had an advantage in two thousand eighteen on party identification and wasn't really even close now a year later after the first three democratic debates. It's it's even as far as party identification repeal. Would you support Republicans and Democrats. You'll probably get it's now down the middle and so much of that is not because of Donald trump who's numbers have fallen precipitously. It's those debates where Democrats are ridiculing Obamacare Macaire is being too conservative attacking Barack Obama on immigration talking about decriminalizing illegal immigration talking about giving healthcare plans to we'll legal immigrants talking about forgiving basically all debt medical debt student debt twenty two trillion dollars dollars in debt as a nation for a lot of Americans. This just doesn't add up yeah and that's why you've seen Joe Biden remain where he is because he hasn't gone into that territory for all the problems he's had for all the mistakes made in the misstatements. He's made on the campaign trail. He hasn't gone to that place of eliminating private insurance and providing healthcare to people people who are here undocumented so that is the central concern in this race. If you let Donald Trump just do his thing Democrats feel like they can beat him because he's going going to bury himself but they had to be very careful not to bury themselves in their own debate process down to ten now coming up on Thursday. Excuse me and you know the Democrats will have to look very carefully at the way they behave in the previous debates because you cannot attack this Guy Joe Biden in the way that they've done that you can not Attack Barack Obama perhaps the most beloved figure in the Democratic Party and in the country at a time when you're trying to defeat Donald Trump Yeah Emeka uh-huh attacking Barack Obama is being too conservative being too harsh on healthcare and immigration most Americans Americans remember that Barack Obama actually helped pass a law that gave coverage to those with pre existing conditions that took care of their older children odorant that did a lot of things that lowered the uninsured in America they also actually now that Donald Trump has made such a mess of our immigration policy. Remember that under Barack Obama illegal border crossings were at a fifty year. That is the case that is the truth okay. So if you you want more of the same here our top news stories this morning several bombshell reports reveal that in mid twenty seventeen the United States successfully really exfiltrated one of its top spies from Russia over fears he was in danger of being caught the New York Times reports that the CIA is Russian informant mint who was outside of Ladder Putin's inner circle but saw him regularly and had access to high level Kremlin decision making was instrumental talk to the agency's conclusion that Putin ordered and orchestrated the interference campaign in the twenty sixteen presidential election the Times at that the source was the government's quote best insight into the thinking of and orders from Putin and was keyed the CIA assessment asmant that who in favor of trump and personally ordered the hacking of the DNC who in later confirmed at twenty eighteen news conference in Helsinki that the Kremlin favored trump NBC news has nut confirm that the Russian fed the CIA information about the Russia election interference but for for reasons that NBC is withholding he fits the profile of someone who may have had access to information about Putin's activities and who would have been recruiter by American intelligence officials current and former government officials tell NBC News that former senior Russian official who had access test to government secrets is currently living in the Washington area under US government protection and B. C. News has not confirmed that this official is as the CIA asset mentioned in the New York Times and CNN reports however to former FBI officials tell NBC News they believe he is source referred to in those reports. President trump was asked about the story yesterday tatum handle classified information. I know nothing about it. I see the CIA responded perfectly so whatever the CIA said is fine in with me when I heard they responded perfectly. I know nothing so it clipped clipped. Obviously this is extraordinarily disturbing report you you have the time's going a bit further than others suggesting that that actually this by that was so highly placed I I observe. CNN who went further the spy who was placed in Putin's inner circle was actually pulled out because of fears that Donald Trump would reveal his existence. It's others have suggested that the heat was getting too high with with what what was in the media and there were also concerns about Donald Trump. Put you know if you go back to. I think it was February of two thousand seventeen. Donald Trump revealed classified information from an ally in the White House to Russia's Foreign Minister and Ambassador to the United States so obviously the prudent move regardless given the fact that he was trying so hard to pass along and there's a picture where he passed along very sensitive highly sensitive information to the Russians in the light of day in the Oval Office suggest that no source in Putin's inner circle would be safe with this man as commander in chief yeah what I'd add to that CNN story is what L. started in May two thousand seventeen that was the special counsel investigation and I think that it is maybe a little bit less discussed in these articles but should be put in context as soon as you launch an investigation like that. We know that there's going to be extensive amounts of intelligence. That's going to come forward. That's almost impossible the mask and what did we see from our congressional leaders wants a special council investigation started discussions of FIS does leaks about all sorts of classified sources people battling back and forth and spill out in the public for more than two years so when we look back now for the last I four to five years. Let's just look at what Putin did we often talk about nine. Eleven and we talk about Pearl Harbor these significant events he interfered in our election. Listen you helped elevated candidate of choosing in watched a public inquiry which has been a quagmire for this country for more than two years and expunge the top one of the top sources sources inside Russia from Russia back to the United States. It will ultimately go down. Historically is one of the biggest defeats of America particularly in in terms of intelligence business and now when you look at it we have lost allies. We've lost around the world we're not seen as a trusted source our intelligence sharing I don't know who would share it with us. At this point the way our country is a homes monopolizing the way things have spilled out into the media and how would you ever recruit a source that could be replaced and and this doesn't even speak to the taxpayer costs in terms of labor man hours resources that have gone into protecting this individual bringing him back out. I think they accidentally we made the right decision but it just it's a devastating loss for so and Willie I if you look at what our FBI director that Donald Trump nominated selected our CIA director the National Director of intelligence. If you look at the United States military and their Intel officials they've all warned the president presents the United States all of them all Republican appointees all confirmed by Mitch McConnell Senate. They have all warned the president of the united nine states including Kirstin Nilsson when she was still the Director of Homeland Security that Russia is still interfering in American democracy and and we must do something about it and if you have Moscow Mitch and the Senate killing all bills to actually protect American democracy from Russian interference and a president that even denies its existence. What choice do you have but to remove valuable assets from Russia because whether he is or not most intelligence officials would can cap to conclude that he is somehow compromise for not responding to their dire warnings about protecting American in democracy? We understand why Donald Trump wants to deflect for this story because it cheapens his victory in two thousand and sixteen the the Mitch McConnell side of the congressional side of it remains more curious to me why they won't take these obvious steps to protect our elections today and going forward from here. Clinton's is obviously an extraordinary step to slip Russian Russian acid out of the country provide protection the United States in your experience what would be the circumstances under which the CIA would look and say. We've got to get this guy out of here. was there an immediate threat threat. Do you think to this guy. I imagine there wasn't I don't know I imagine there was not but when you're looking at the public reporting let's just think back from election day through through may of two thousand seventeen and see consistently reports about hey everyone went to talk to Donald Trump and say Russia interfere in the election and there's some wobbling about that right. There's not trust in the sources. You're seeing that dossier surface right. We we kind of forget that was there. The dossier has all sorts of sources listed so when when you see that you know that Russia now internally inside Russia is going to go through all the ranks and start cleaning up messes they're going to start assessing people and the I'm I'm sure the FBI the whole intelligence community when they saw in May twenty seventeen. There's going to be a special counsel. Investigations going to be a major investigation with a public disclosure. It's time to wrap up your sources because that you're less chance to protect them. New now this new reporting from the New York Times contradicts the president's claim that he has nothing to do with the Scottish airport while Air Force crews have been refueling and staying overnight his near book nearby resort nothing to do with but the Times citing documents obtained from the Scottish government reports that the trump organization and trump himself played a direct role in setting up at arrangement between his golf resort in Glasgow Press to end Glasgow Prestwick airport the partnership set up in twenty fourteen was reportedly meant to increase private and commercial air traffic to the region but part the agreement according to the times quote worked to get trump turnberry added to a list of hotels that the airport would routinely send aircrews to even though the turnberry resort is twenty miles from the airport farther away than many other hotels and has higher advertised crisis the Times reports the number of such stops by air force planes at Prestwick rose from one hundred eighty and twenty seventeen seventeen to two hundred and fifty seven last year and two hundred and fifty nine so far this year the two hundred and fifty nine stops this year included in two hundred twenty overnight stays since October of twenty seventeen records show nine hundred seventeen payments for expenses including fuel. We will let the airport worth a total of over seventeen million dollars. Here's the president speaking about the issue. Yesterday I haven't found Outta than what a plane stops at a massive international airport and gets fuel a lot on the airport. Every time you find a personal landing airplane within five hundred miles of something. I am Mike Pence as an example his family lives in Dune Beg Ireland and he's actually told me that he stayed there many years ago at the same. I bought it years ago but he was there before I bought it. I believe he said a long time ago but he was in Ireland so he said you know what I'll do. I'll see my family. I didn't know about that but I would say he has good taste. That is what you call verbal morage actually if you actually. I don't know if that's what you call verbal porridge but that's what you should call verbal reports because Mike we're sitting around going. We wonder what Saudis are staying at the trump hotel in Washington. DC Let's go through the records. Go figure out who from cutters in the United States Air Force will be to look at the United States Air Force Chris and see how they are now directed a directing millions and millions of dollars trump's way for this airport that actually helps Donald trump out helps helps his business out to a tune of of what what did they say seventy dollars refueling yeah. That's tax payer money. It's like Mike Pence decides to go to the other side of Ireland one in a meeting and what two hundred fifty room nights i. I don't know if that's the exact number I thought I read that somewhere but piling again a ton con of money into Donald Trump's properties it's scam it's the great American scam from Scotland Ireland Linda Pennsylvania Avenue everywhere this guy touches and now it's the United States air force you know Joe it doesn't get a whole lot of chatter later on cable and occasionally. There's an important news story like the one that you just referring to in the Times today and other papers but the level of corruption in this administration administration has been epidemic epidemic gene and you know we do cover it but you just wonder does it resonate out there because it's a non going affair this stories about who stayed at the hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue and now this incredibly the world's most expensive gas station in Western got one and people just you know they've come to accept it now. I refrain that people may have become numb to it but it has to continually be reported. This is totally outrageous. It just step back from it ver second clearly only the United States government in in the form of the military should not be doing business at places owned by the president of the United States. That's a clear a conflict of interest that clear appearance of corruption if not actual corruption which it is and it should never happen in any other president event. I think perhaps in our history would have recognized that this would be happening under any other administration and yet it's routine. It's routine and it's increasing and it's every single day from the hotel to the airport to the golfers or it's the Mar-a-lago Mar-a-lago to every every way he can put money in his pocket there in every way that Donald trump can put money in his pocket from being being president. He's doing it and that will be a big part of the story. That's eventually written of this corrupt administration nation just the the level of blatant in-your-face out in the open corruption that for some reason as being tolerated Yup Yep and you know at least Jordan. I don't know that this is going on now just by Americans. I've been saying all along that too. Many people were shocked by what Donald Trump did in two thousand sixteen so they assume he's wanting to do the same thing in twenty twenty in shock them. I'm not so sure of that since that racist rally where it was racist chance at centre-back started up and we saw an uptick and some of his more egregious behavior his poll numbers have gone down a majority of Americans now say they consider him racist. We've had one story after another about how he's enriching himself and a new a ABC News Washington Post poll just broke showing that his approval rating dropped from forty four percent down to thirty eight percent so would sitting now at thirty eight percent it has been we talked about this last week a cruel cruel political summer for Donald Trump trump and the most remarkable thing I talk to trump supporters that good bit on infuriates what infuriates people close to him in the White House says does so much of these scars are self inflicted. He can't get out of his own way Joe. I don't I think Donald Trump understands that his for now Republican allies on the hill actually really don't like him. He has been their blunt instrument went there means to an end and they have tolerated him as he's doing things that go along with what they want and while the economy is strong and after the summer of racist ranting of just cheer leading a recession practically by his own twitter handle and so voters are able to directly directly relate dips in the market to what Donald Trump is saying in doing on twitter. This is not been a good summer form and so while thirty eight percent of people's might be okay with the racism with the tanking economy by casual tweet. I think he really really did a lot of damage to himself this summer and then further stories of corruption. Whether it's the trump hotel in Washington to Scotland that does not do do anything to help Donald Trump's political fortune absolutely not not at all and again Willie sitting at thirty eight percent this morning down from forty four percent at the beginning of the summer and I just want to follow up with Lee said I spoke to a Republican insider last night one of the most powerful that I know that his quietly remain in the background so they're firm could still get business in this age of trump republicanism and he told me exactly what Lee said is. What Donald Trump doesn't realize is he is so despised on Capitol Hill he so despised by Republican governors across the country he so despised by members of the house personally that it's only a matter of time and this was last night before these numbers came out that they start planning ahead in for post trump Washington and pretty soon? They're not gonNA take the slings and arrows for this guy because it's proving to be a losing proposition and we hear all the same things behind the scenes we hear all the same things off the record from Republicans and others but we don't hear it in public. We don't hear it on the record. We still don't see Republicans in the Senate or many in the house. We're willing to step out and say the president was wrong here. When he led those chants the president was wrong long to manipulate a weather map for God's sake and this question about the hotel and everything else gets to the question of draining the swamp that was one of the central promises of this campaign and boy has it been the opposite of draining the swamp filling newspapers with stories like the one we see today filling his cabinet with people like Wilbur Ross who according to the New York Times? I know we'll get to that in just a minute ordered the Noaa to come out against the National Weather Service. This is not draining the swamp. These are people that president knows running our country and not doing a very good job of it. Maybe they need to drain his fragment Scotland Ireland. Maybe they need to drain the moat. Trump goo that readies filling up listen you would think that these moves over the the the the actions that this president has taken that we're talking about doc. It's the kind of thing that would make Republicans some of them. At least one vote for an alternative the Democrats either need to give us one a really a really good one that some Republicans on the fence would vote for or maybe the Republicans will come up with a really good candidate for twenty twenty. Maybe we have one still ahead on Morning Joe the president contradicts his head of Customs and Border Protection on what would happen if hurricane victims from the Bahamas arrive in the US without doc proper documentation. We have new reporting on that but first. Let's go right to Bill Karen with a check on the forecast bill pictures to its own imaginable. We'll good morning everyone. We are watching quiet things in the tropics. There's nothing threatening any land areas at least if a much of this week so that's great news if you're waking up this morning and Wisconsin you've had a lot of thunderstorms overnight now now off the top of Milwaukee so if you're driving north Chicago could be some issues and also imaging Omaha in Des Moines probably one of the worst drives with a lot of heavy rain so later on today severe storms and areas of Nebraska Raskin also South Dakota and how about the heat in the south. I know everyone's been complaining. A little bit of relief still feels like one hundred to one ten. It still feels like the middle of July lie and here we are rolling into the middle of September it will feel like he index wha one in New Orleans Memphis at one oh four this afternoon and then it starts to spread a little bit up through the East Coast as as we go through Augusta Georgia even have another day in the nineties even Philly could hit ninety on Thursday. It won't be till the end of the week that we get a little relief in Chicago in Saint Louis and even Philadelphia Healthier New York City to sew Washington. DC You've had your little break. The heat will return along with the humidity there in the middle of the week watching morning Joe. We'll be right back hi. It's Katie I want to keep up with. MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSNBC daily newsletter you'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented the era of news text Msnbc two six six eight six six to subscribe. If your life is in jeopardy the Bahamas and you want to get to the United States you're going to be allowed to come to the United States right whether you have travel documents or not. We have to be very careful. Everybody everybody needs totally proper documentation because the Bahamas had some tremendous problems with people going to the Bahamas weren't supposed to be there. I don't want to allow people that weren't supposed to be in the Bahamas to come in to the United States including including some very bad people very bad gang members and some very very bad drug dealers president trump contradicting the acting chief of customs and Border Patrol Mark Morgan just hours apart when asked if Bahamian struggling after Hurricane Dorian are welcome here in the United States the current death toll in the Bahamas standing now at at fifty thousand still trying to evacuate but it'd been faced with many challenges trying to get into the US joining us now. NBC News Correspondent Juliet Ainsley who's been covering the story right Julia Good Morning so so which is it are the Bahamians fleeing the storm. We have no homes. No nothing left trying to get the United States are welcome here or will they be put through some kind of vetting process process. The president pointing to identify drug dealers not sure who he's talking about. There was this huge discrepancy yesterday and I we should say that there are fifteen hundred survivors from Hurricane Hurricane Dorian who've already been taken into the country it. I it seemed the question was will these people be given work authorizations. How long can they actually stay here? We've done that in the past for victims uh-huh of the Haiti two thousand ten earthquake then because of the president saying I don't even know if they can come there was guidance put out last night from customs and Border Protection that said they do need travel documents having to contradict their own commissioner who said they could come no matter what there was a line in there that said port directors can use her indiscretion if someone has certain circumstances but they all have circumstances they're fleeing mass devastation so at this point though they say you do have to have valid travel all documents but officials have spoken to said it has come up at D H S meetings. How will these people find their travel documents in the midst of that look at that? How do you find a passport Julia the the logistics of this from the Bahamas to the United States? How do they get here? What happens to them when they do arrive here? Well there are a number of ways I mean we have remember that they're about to northern islands. That were the most devastated but there are other places you can leave from the Bahamas. There can be flights that are coming into the United States but we saw in one in case there was a ferry that was leaving from Freeport and they were coming to Florida. They should have gone to Nassau. Apparently that is something that have been worked out with other fairies that we're bringing people leaving the hurricane devastation and this case they did not do that and these people were forced off the boat but there's a big clarification around that that was not necessarily summarily customs and Border Protection. It was the boat not knowing where these people were supposed to go along their route but in that case it just shows the chaos that happens after a devastation like this people fleeing they don't have anything they're trying to survive and without a proper message from the United States about whether or not we're taking you. UN How long you can stay here and what you need to get here. It gets really confusing and it just adds to the chaos any evidence Julie that there are very bad people very bad gang members some very very very bad drug dealers coming through after the hurricane from the Bahamas. There's evidence that I've heard of or talking to my sources that this is something that has come up as a national security hertie threaten the meetings the meetings they're having right now at t h s about or mainly about how they care for these people and get them of course they come in as they would for many country but but no I don't think they're talking about the big gangs from the Bahamas right now so so Julia if that had happened in the state of Florida we would know that Rhonda Satis the governor would would be in charge of state efforts that fem- SPA and the White House in charge of national efforts here not so far from our shores chores at all we have a humanitarian crisis you look at those pictures. It's even worse than anything we ever saw in Hurricane Katrina except for a couple of Mississippi towns as far as everything flattened. What can you tell us? What is the United States? He's doing who is is there somebody in charge of of the American government's efforts to bring relief to the people of the MOMMAS was or are they just on their own well there have been. US efforts to provide relief and that is ongoing but I still go back to the fact that fifteen hundred survivors came came in just over the weekend the big question for these people in terms of being able to leave and to come here is whether they get something called temporary protective status that is something that used to be a given in a situation like this looking at that devastation there are still people living here who came here from Haiti and the two thousand ten earthquake these the things we gave to people fleeing Ebola and central Africa these this has been a common thing that the United States has granted to people fleeing mass devastation and they're able to work here and to live here and a lot of times they build a community here in this case because this administration has gone after temporary protective status and so many cases this is this is now in question not only will they be able to come live here and work here. Will they be able to come here at all but yes aid is still outgoing. We Have Red Cross. Obviously it's very are different from if it was Florida or if it was a within the United States but I do understand is going. It's a matter of how do you aide a community that so devastated and help people who just need to escape to survive administration's position changing moment to moment the bottom line this morning. If you're leaving even the Bahamas coming into the United States we let into the country need a passport all right. Let's turn to the story I mentioned a few minutes ago. The New York Times citing people familiar with the discussion reports quartz that Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross threaten to fire political staff at Noaa the agency did not fix its contradiction with president trump's claim saying that Hurricane Doreen might hit Alabama the Times reports Ross called the Aki Administrator Noaa from Greece last Friday to instruct him to quote fix fix the agency's perceived contradiction of the president it ultimately led to Noaa issuing a statement which called another statement issued by the National Weather Service Office in Birmingham quote inconsistent a spokesperson for Secretary Ross Denies The Times reporting telling. NBC News Ross quote did not threaten to fire any noaa a staff over forecasting in public statements about Hurricane Dorian Noaa acting chief scientist Craig Maclean says he is investigating why the agency back trump's claims about hurricane dorian potentially hitting Alabama over its own forecasters according to an internal e mail obtained by NBC News Mclean wrote Sunday that an unsigned Friday statement issued by Noaa which defending trump's claim quote inappropriately an incorrectly contradicted the National Weather Service forecaster the statement referred to tweet issued by the National Weather Service Birmingham Alabama office last week which pushed back on the president's claim that the state ain't was in the path of this storm. Meanwhile the director of the National Weather Service defended the Birmingham forecasters who contradicted trump during his speech at at the group's annual gathering yesterday to stop the same goal as wall over will to Jonathan Lemaire. This is just extraordinary. You have the commerce secretary traveling abroad in Greece tending tending to the country's business calling back to the Noaa and say the National Weather Service correctly by the way the office Birmingham came out and said no Alabama don't worry despite what the the president just tweeted you're not in the path of this storm telling the Noaa to direct the National Weather Service to fix this mistake in other words you might be correct but did you cross the president so fix it to be incorrect for a day or two the president's sort of obsession that he was right about this his forecast Alabama Obama was in the path of this hurricane was sort of treated as sort of an amusing little story the sharpie on the map and so on but that's changed to sort of very serious things here first of all yes you have the government the president amount of federal government intervention here threatening staffers trying to reverse engineer the data points in some ways the president was correct and also using the powers of the government to try to back up which clearly a false claim but in this case leaning on national forecast weather forecast that potentially undermines the credibility agency that is giving out warnings to people who would be in the path of a storm and that's that crosses the line here you have people this is an agency that they'll put up these bulletins the people relying on to make decisions about their life in their home when they're in the path of a storm and now there's Ellen. Can we trust these or are they being pressured to back up with the president is saying row over was actually true in certainly that that tweet from that when National Weather Service Outpost Birmingham is infuriated. The president in recent days has fueled a lot of his anger about this about the forecast in his relentless defensiveness of what he said. We frankly were surprised it didn't come up with a rally last night we also prior to the rally were in North Carolina. He was meant to do some inspection of the hurricane damaged hair on the Carolina coast but actually after Air Force One landed a major thunderstorm rolled through we weren't able to and the president and the Poop who press pool we were grounded on the plane and he received a storm briefing and said but this is something that a week more than a week later he is still obsessed with and now it seemingly could cost people their jobs ops getting. Actually it's getting worse for the President of course as the chief scientist said for Noah that we're talking about lives is that are at risk here if people stop actually depending on whether reports it get political president can call fake news. Ali Ellie wants to and a lot of people. Don't follow them day in day out. I certainly understand that they've got their lives live. They've got their kids to raise. They've got their jobs story about whether reports this most Americans follow the weather report and they know when the president's line to them about weather and Gene Robinson. They knew that I want to show you the rest. Two of the video from the director of the National Weather Service seems giving this speech and when he finished saluting them for doing the job he got a standing ovation from the audience at clear sign that these people connected with the National Weather Service and meteorologists and scientists they're not unlike Republicans in Washington. DC unlike light cowardly politicians. They're they're not going to be cowed by somebody that insists that they don't believe they're lying is in a couple of things I there are a lot of people in the federal government not just the weather service but the economic forecasters people who study any demographics on the demographics of the Country People's studied poverty an income and all that stuff that these are they produce numbers numbers that have to be accurate and that day these are these are experts who do their very best to provide accurate information to to the president and to the American people and the idea that the that this scientific scientific information can be distorted because of the women the ego of an unbalanced president who who can never be wrong in his own head is is outrageous to them and I think you will see a whole lot more pushback. We've already seen a lot of pushback but you you'll see more from inside the government and then the other thing is you're right. Everybody understands the weather. If maybe not everybody buddy wants to follow the twists and turns of the of the airport near turnberry and how exactly how that enriches Donald Trump trump and this and that and we can explain it and it's it's a five step thing but everybody understands the weather. Everybody has to deal with the weather and believe me everybody the end those South Eastern states knows how important those those National Hurricane Center forecasts are knows how to read those maps yeah yeah they do all right. We're going to have to take a break Willie. Is Julia Ainsley still there right. She is yeah something something a little different really if you noticed maybe you haven't no I would never I was tipped off earlier this morning about let you make all right. Well Julia when you were covering the muller surprise mom a couple of months ago. I noticed something a little different. You WanNa talk about that. You did make a humor probably knows eagle-eyed observer server that day there was a surprise press conference that Robert Mueller the Justice Department Iran down there and in the middle of coverage. I got pretty sick and had to run down and got sick in the bushes outside the Justice Department when I came back to my phone how to text from you that I said are you pregnant and I said yes but don't my parents don't even know yet me and I'm I'm expecting a baby girl in January a sleep your next Casey haunt check doc Julia on deck. That's wonderful. We had that moment actually world. We'll show with no your value dot com morning sickness on live television and tell your stories so Juliette. Thank you to the know your value community there for you coming up hey. 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Willie O'Ree, Penguins Big Move

ESPN On Ice with Wyshynski and Kaplan Show

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Willie O'Ree, Penguins Big Move

"Hey Emily Greg. So the Lacrosse goal the Michigan the specialty coffee the Forsberg. Whatever you WANNA call it? It is poisoned in the minds of the ESPN editorial staff. And I'll tell you why we put together a top ten coolest goals scored in the NHL list that ran this week on ESPN DOT com. And let me tell you. There's someone here that I love. The Peter Forsberg the Pavel Datsyuk flip during the shootout yager slicing through the defense savard slicing through the Defense Mareo decoding sliding slice defense number. One without question Ovechkin. The goal scores it on his back. Awesome stuff against the coyotes. Everybody remembers the two thousand six but number two on the list. Is the Lacrosse goal. What do you consider the Lacrosse goal to be the second greatest version of a cool ogle and NHL history? Honestly I think it's been diluted lately because not only did I just do it in a game but we've now seen it in the. Oh L. we've seen it in Sweden. We've seen other guys do it. And like maybe because Austin Matthews tried it a few times and couldn't executed and everyone in Toronto went crazy and said this must be the hardest thing in the entire world But Yeah I think it's been diluted dude I mean the only thing you can really pull off as a moustache from what I've seen but I think the thing for me is depends on how how much amodio has done to be quite honest share. Yes then it's at least if he can get four buttons undone and with the Mustache then he pulls up mustache. No He's Lacrosse goals. Incredible first of all whenever we talk about anything in hockey. We are talking about things that I can't accomplish given ten ten years of training. Let's just be honest but the Lacrosse goal. When I look at the other goals in this list and I see these incredible feats of athleticism and slicing through defenses and decoding and shooting and doing things lightning fast speed? That just defy logic and gravity. The lacrosse goal is basically just like surprise. It's just basically like the goaltender has back to you. And you put the goal the puck on in your blade and you sneak it past him. And that's that's fine. It's a cool goal but essentially what it is. Somebody always has to have their back to view based on the position that they play. And you're taking advantage of this by sneaking the puck like over his shoulder. It's fun it's a super surprise reminds ends me of people out from behind the couch for your thirtieth birthday or whatever but as a goal as pure athleticism get. Give me the deacon through five to get in making a backhand shot and just do the whole thing. That's what I want you I want. I see all these names on this list. And we've got the the younger of the World Crosby we've got Pavel Beret Denis Savard Merrick maleek big homing Merrick Leak and his shootout goal through the leg that is surprising athleticism. That's surprising and remains the old. The American League goal to shoot apologised is like the Roswell crash to you like this thing happened once and that's why we should believe aliens like this thing happened once and that's why we should have the shootout doubt go sixteen rounds with different people because a random third pairing defenceman might score an amazing goal. Like it's now Gospel to these freaks leaks that like the shootout. The one thing I'll say about this list is devils Fan Jack. Well a true three on three aficionado. Surprise me at this list is that economist. David didn't make it and I've had some people point out to me after this list drop wears mcdavid and the only thing I can think that maybe he scored so many great goals that it's just commonplace and like none of them really are that exceptional because they're all exceptional. Maybe it's some sort of random thing where you know if we're all super none of super I don't know but why did you like was mcdavid. Even a choice. We did this voting. I I WANNA say yes but probably know and and you're right like I can think of a half dozen of goals off the top of my head and all them are amazing but then we just call it Wednesday for him right exactly. He's God level so we don't we don't even have to laud any of his goals on top ten list because he's he's on his own list he's on the puck end his mouth and spews it out to the unexpecting goalie. He will remain off this list. That was my favorite part of this list. By the way is the what comes next portion at the end on what could possibly be coming coming next insofar as the future of goalscoring. That's good. Yeah my favorite was doing the Lacrosse spin by Nikita Gustav literally occurred in the All Star game where anything can happen and there's no possible way that could game. Yeah every shot and hard shot is like five hundred miles an hour. Okay all right coming up on the show really good show actually will ris got an actual legend. Grace's this podcast with his presence. We talked really about a great many things including his awesome. A new documentary that you can catch on. ESPN plus And also you know issues with race and hockey which Willie is eloquent. An awesome on plus the penguins make trade. We might be going back to the Olympics. Maybe filibuster loves hotdogs PUCK HEADLINES AND ALL that more on this edition of ESPN and ice. Let's start start. The show proper shelley to your ear buds a podcast about hockey featuring things to do with hockey from your friends at ESPN beyond it's espn on ice with Shitski and Catholic everybody it's ESPN and ice. It's the podcast. ESPN talks about hockey. I'm Greg wishes in your NHL writer and then like Kaplan National Nhl reporter. Greg we have a trade and it was not one for one which one for one at all yeah trade to announce it was fun. It dropped when I was walking a dog. So that's always exciting. It was the Pittsburgh Penguins making the big old deal with the Minnesota wild. Finally Jim Rutherford gets his white whale. I I'm Captain Ahab and get's Jason's hooker finally from the Minnesota Wild The wild deal him for Alex Skull Chenya Expiring Contract Act. Defenseman Kaelin Addison which is an extraordinarily young Defenseman in two thousand twenty name and a conditional first round pick that will not the wilds if the penguins are in the lottery but since the penguins are have the fourth best record in the NHL Right now probably a twenty twenty first round. Pick going to the wild for Jason Sucker now. Zucker has he's in the second year of a five-year twenty seven point five million dollar contract of course emily. We remember that he almost became a member over the Pittsburgh Penguins last year in deal it would have sent him. And Victor Rask to Pittsburgh in exchange for a lovely and talented Phil Kessel and a lovely Johnson Jack Johnson and that fell through when Phil said Nah. Couldn't Minnesota so Jason Sucker now a member of the penguins couple thoughts on the steel one. I think that this is technically a cost-saving deal for the penguins. And I'll explain why I won. They rid themselves of Alex. Chen Yuck for the rest of the year so they didn't have to do any other finagling there too. They can fire their entire amateur scouting department because they don't have any first round picks six and there's no purpose of having one so look they save a ton of money. They're all jokes aside. I think that You Know Bill Garin wasn't going to get fleeced on this deal. Nobody knows the penguins prospect system better than Bill Garin who literally ran it for the last couple of years as the assistant. GM in Pittsburgh This is a really great first statement trade for him as the GM decker is a guy who you know. It's a luxury like they didn't need to get rid of him. They have under contract. He loves being there. He's a great player but if teams kept calling on them and they did They got a really good return getting a first round peg. Get Him at defensive prospect eating Abdel Shenyang Salary for the end of law season. Like that's a great hall for many as Garin starts to cement his legacy and start to put a stamp on this roster. I'm from Pittsburgh perspective. This is awesome. This is the guy as you mentioned that they've long coveted this guy that's under term for the next couple of years which is important for them because they're always going up against the cap and this is the guy that can play on Sydney's wing. He plays a really good brand of hockey that meshes well with their style. They've been looking for scoring winger. Probably before but especially Lee since Jake and so was out for the year and this just cements them as you know I think probably well as probably maybe this cements them as a contender in the east. I'll say it right there. Yeah and it's already been announced that he's going to play on the wing. You wonder how life changes Sir when Jake gets healthy but for now it's the Zuckerman crosby show and like you said from a financial perspective. I mean his cap hit and it seemed a little high when he wasn't necessarily scoring at the same level he was in his contract. You're funny how that always seems to happen in the National Hockey League when you guys have incredible careers at the moment the signed big contracts but at at five point five million if he's going to be thirty goal scorer like that's great and he's twenty eight. He's he's writing prime. They have cost certainty on the contract through two thousand twenty three and also like dude. Who by all accounts is a real solid citizen in the room? A real solid citizen in the community Good good good move by the penguins and and again like Compare What The Wild oiled could've ended up with a year ago in this deal a thirty two year old who has cratered in Arizona. Maybe he's thirty three and John's thirty two. I forget which one's which but like both of them. Are you know past their prime and not exactly what a a rebuilding team needs. So you know. Thank you Paul. Fenton for having a trade xed out by Phil Kessel and thank you Bill Garin for actually making a deal that addresses the future a little bit for the Minnesota Wild but so this is like a little bit earlier than the trade deadline. Maybe we thought this could be a move. That is happening a little. You know a couple of weeks from now we actually have to sit in a room and report on all of this stuff. What's your vibe right now on the trade deadline as we are less in two weeks away from the February twenty four three PM deadline the NHL you know initial fears that this was going to be another really slow year air? GM's you talk to say that everyone's looking for someone with term and that's obviously much harder to trade but you know this year I get the sense ends with so many teams. On the cusp. There could be movement of people trying to separate from the pack and like a perfect example is the Colorado Avalanche. You are super talented wanted team. Everyone's lauding them as a contender already. they were already thinking of adding luxury items. Like you know the sniffed around Taylor Hall and that was going down and now that they're out Nazem Kadri for a little bit of time. I wouldn't be shocked if they go out and get a big name and and get a score that can help Nathan Mackinnon relieve some pressure from him. Will they were always sniffing around Chris Kreider so we'll see if maybe that comes to fruition at some point bliss everyone's sniffing around Chris Kreider. He's great he's great in any line. Lineup I pry. I'm guessing what do you think X.. Body spray or like Jakhar would think he smells like I think he's smells like smelly equipment. which is like like dogs smelling each other's but that's just love to smell very very descriptive? Producer Ryan says that Chris Kreider riders posed like Sex Panther. Well that's interesting possible. Every you know works every time I think the interesting thing about the trade deadline right now is that we are less than two weeks away but in in in two weeks a lot can change and you know and and putting together our trade deadline preview stuff in the last few weeks. The usual suspects were there. I I mean you know the devils the senators the sabers wings the kings the sharks. You know duckie's but now that we're getting closer to it and you start to see like Montreal had horrible loss last night as we do this podcast there now. Seven or eight points out of last wildcard spot. That's a team second. Now maybe flip the switch and become a seller the rangers. We knew we were going to be shared Weber's out but the panthers probably not a seller. They're kind time still in the thick of things but you go to the western conference. I mean what's the think of the Nashville predators They're right in the thick of things but are they going to be that team like the blues. Were a few years ago where David just decides to break glass and say you know what we need to kind of change the configuration of this team. Because I don't know that we can win right now with this with this roster. You're what are the wild. Do the Blackhawks for a hot minute work contender now. They've moved back a little bit. They have a couple of games in hand. What happens with the goaltending? That's the weed their their playoff chances in the last month or so so. There's a lot of sort of flux right now with some teams at Montreal very much particular that could easily flip from being teams is that were like. I don't know maybe we should just hang on guys we can get in the playoffs. Teams are like sell sell sell. I think it's going to be interesting. Two weeks to see where these teams end up. The only not that I'm confident is going to unload. Players is the king's like when there's enough smoke and it's like really really cloudy over there in l. a. these days like there's going to be fire in Tyler. Toffoli is not going to be on this team. mid-month from now there's other Alec Martinez I think teams will probably try to make a big trade for him. mm so that's the one team but like if you want to make sure bed of WHO's going to make a move I'd say it's the kings other than that like the other bottom. feeders don't have obvious. Candidates is to trade like the wings you could probably say anyone is on the table outside of dill marketed. Anthony Mantha but does anyone want anyone on that roster like anyone want Andre is on pursue my green. Yeah exactly You know the senators. There's not many obvious candidates. They're like John. Gabriel go oh patio patio because you should make more French if you know. They don't figure out an extension. He goes in the devils it. We still haven't quite figured out what's going on with the Sami Boston in an Andy. Greens or both impending. Ufa's yeah and then the real interesting one there for all the talk about Tomas Truecar. You're potentially being available for the Canadians. Man Gimme cow. Paul Mary any day of the week if he's available but again the thing about the devils right now is that we understand stand their lot in life we understand. It's GonNa get another sort of form of a rebuild we understand there's an interim gm from ownership like Paul. Mary could bring bring bring them back a lot of value but like he sure. And you've got to have somebody to pass to get started. Go in the tank completely for the next six years or something here. It's kind of a bummer. To think that you and I have covered deadlines in recent memory that involved will John. TAVERAS be traded. Will Eric Carlson. And be traded. Will Matt Duchenne and Mark Stone be traded. And now we're all kind of lighting candles to see if you know Jogos or were Kreider is going to go where the the Alec Martinez Derby. It's kind of a step down from the big blockbuster. Earth theories and hopes and dreams of previous deadlines that said there are a few wildcards at play here that if they if they become available or if they their teams decided to go in a different direction could change the complexion of the trade deadline Max domes one of them are earthy this summer. I think a guy that they wanNA bring back in theory but he's got no trade protection if they get blown away by something. Montreal Mike Go Someplace there. The Minute Ryan gets laugh or Joe Thornton says you know what I think. I'd like to move on and do something else they're going to be traded. I don't know if either of them we'll say within the next two weeks probably not but who knows PK Sue van. If the devils gobble up half that contract you wonder whether or not the lease might be in the. PK Suba Business. There's sort of speculation coming from Toronto that that might be the case. And you know the thing that we both want to see happen but probably won't have because there's ONA's way too close to the playoffs. The recycling of Taylor Hall now only three million dollars hours against the cap because of of the the salary the devils up and John Jacob all accounts thinks that. He's got a chance to resign Taylor Hall. I don't think that has a chance to resign. Taylor tell her halls gonNA play in a different kind of market than than Arizona disrespect to Glendale. But but I mean you don't you don't trade for Taylor Hall to flip them if you have a realistic shot the playoffs as much fun as that would be right especially the but so much premium making the playoffs this year. Like they have to do it if you if you were the Bruins. Okay and you were like dabbling in the dark arts of Chris Chris Kreider or Tyler Toffoli. And you had this package and you're like I'm GONNA spend this package on a on a rental like don't you go to Arizona. I and say look we know we know you have Taylor Hall and you WanNa win things. But what if we gave you this and you give us Taylor Hall in his three million dollar cap it for the rest of the season like don't yeah at least make that phone call. If you're don sweeney you make the call. I have to say John. Jake has a pretty good record with trades like you rarely gets least. That's true I mean. Say what you will about the coyotes. But he's he's been pretty good on the street from all right. I make one one prediction of something think's GonNa Happen. Okay go ahead. Good Chris Kreider is going to be blue. Wow Saint Louis Blues. I think they're going to pull the Patrick Kane with bloody terracing goes capit- Pitt kind of maybe they look. He's got a couple of weeks he's going to debut in the playoffs. Use that cap space. Get Chris. Kreider go all in on defending the Cup one prediction for the trade deadline. All right. I'll go here Sami Vatanen to the to the capital's ooh I like that. Yeah I think I think. They're going to bolster their Blue Line. Before before the postseason of course it would help. Maybe they they should trade for a mechanic to put the wheels back on because they've certainly fall off in the last week or so the capital's Mike All Right. Let's talk to an absolute legend. We're going to class up the joint for a few minutes. Here with William Murray and now joining us on the line is a very special guest hockey hall. Famer Willie Willie thank you so much for joining us. Well it's a pleasure. Emily so I have to ask about this documentary which is streaming on. ESPN PIN plus How long has been in the works and tell me a little bit about the pitch? They made you that they want to make a documentary about you. Well it It all started though with Brian. McBride who was the producer and he got together with me. Oh this is back probably I probably say about two years ago. And he says well he because I think we should do a documentary on your life and I said Oh my goodness That would be nice and It would take some travelling you know We would be contacting a lot of your your friends in your hometown A lot of places that you Played and so it all started and then Brian came to me and said yes. He says. It's In the final makes and he said we'd like you to take a look at it to to See what you think so. At first it didn't jump out at me. You know it But I I was excited to see A lot of my friends places where I had I played Friends that I had known for years and then I thought two or three times and I Then just started to sink in with me and I said Gosh I said this is certainly did a fantastic job of filming and traveling around and Talking to some of my old friends that I've known for over seventy years so I I'm I'm thrilled and I I'm just overwhelmed. that it's going GonNa be shown on On ESPN when people watch it. What do you hope they get out of it? Well I hope to get out of it. Not only The the hockey interest that I that I played you know I I only played with the Boston. Bruins for for forty five games. spending Three years but but The work that I started doing When Commissioner Bettman appointed media director of the NHL diversity program About Traveling around and I just wanted to give back to hockey and give back to the sport hockey given me and I felt that I I had something inside of me that I could share with boys and girls and helping them choose another sport that they play and traveling around north. America with the The cities that I've gone to I I hope that they they They get out of Shane the work that I've done and The lives that I've touched over. The years is quote that you said that really stuck out to us to me. I didn't know I was breaking the color barrier until the next morning when I heard it in the paper. Is there any part of you that maybe that could have made that experience easier for you. Well I don't I don't think so. You know I had gone to the bruins training camps on two occasions in nineteen fifty seven and fifty eight and and You know I was keeping my fingers crossed that The hopefully I'd get the opportunity to to be called up with it ruins But when they contacted the Quebec Aces the team that is playing for in in Quebec Canada And said we wanna read them. Eat The bruins in Montreal to play two games against the Montreal Canadians so when I arrived in around in Montreal I met Milk Schmidt the coach and Lynch Patrick the general manager and they They sat me down and said we've we've brought you up because we think you could add a little something Do our club and all of us thinking then is just trying to When I get on the ice is to play a good game in representing you know the cup to the best of my ability? But it didn't go through my mind about that. I was breaking breaking the color barrier or opening doors for other players of color and black players but honestly when I The next the next day and then I read it in the paper. 'cause I my parents come up in some good friends. Come up to watch the game and I just throw thrilled about you. Know beating the Canadians at night. We shut the three nothing and That's all I can think of is You know winning winning Against the Montreal Canadians I didn't get any goals or no assist but Just to be beat the Montreal team name With just a feat in itself. Hey Willy it's Greg Gerski thanks for doing this. You recently addressed the Chemo lose situation obviously stepping forward and making accusations against bill. Peters and Peter's residing shame because of it and I think anyone listening to this podcast podcast knows that we applaud Akeem for having done what he did. You did the same thing. What were your thoughts on on that situation and what a team was able to do to affect change age well? I'm I'm very pleased that that he he took the opportunity to step up and And you know tell tell what happened I had Racial remarks and racial slurs directed towards me when I when I played but You know thanks to my older brother brother who was not only my brother and my friend but he was my mentor and he taught me a lot of things that I would need to know if I was gonNA choose hockey as a career and he said I really says names will never hurt you unless she let them in. I I I went out. I knew I was a black man. I didn't have to be told that I just went out and concentrated on playing hockey and done. I let all the racial remarks and slurs win one ear. Note the other I I F- I fought a lot when I first when I first started. I thought because I had not because I wanted to but players just wanted to see When I was made of and You know I always tried to protect myself because back then. We didn't wear any helmets to goldies. Didn't wear mass or your face was exposed to exit sticks and everything else but I I just I wanNA give credit to these These players that are playing saying now that setup and just telling them you know we just can't. We just can't stand having racial remarks and rations racial slurs directed towards these players that said you also said recently that when it comes to the NHL and Racer Sport in general race that we've taken one step forward and two back. Would you mean by that. Well I meant you know When I broke and I was I was the first black player Fourteen years later Mike Marson broken with the Washington capitals and then later on with the Los Angeles The Los Angeles kings but I in the statement I made. I'm thinking we're heading. We're heading in the right direction. Then all of a sudden You hear these racial remarks and racial slurs from from these fans fans in the stand so it. It doesn't seem that we're going that going that far and the thing is that This is a this is the twentieth going the twenty first century and I. I'm just shocked that these things that are still happening. These racial remarks and racial slurs are still happening In the League and these these players of color and black players. They're there because they have the skills and the talent to be there. They're not they're just because they're black. They have skills and talent and Basically I just think that It's GonNa get we're working in the right direction but Some days. I think that we've already taken a step back. And then so now we've gotta take another another step forward to to keep going and and and recognizing What not What the potential goal is will? You've been so involved in hockey is for everyone and making the sport more inclusive especially at a grassroots level and we are seeing a a lot of progress in that but if you look at. Nhl Front Offices and their coaching staffs there's very little diversity and we often see the same guys getting hired again and again the same aimed guys who had opportunities before. I'm curious you know I know the. NFL has a rooney rural and demographics and the NFL are different. But is there any version of that rule that could make sense in the NHL. Well and what would that look like. Well you know the opportunities are there for anybody that wants to be a a a referee or linesman or general manager. Her or or or going going going into coaching The opportunities are there. You just have to you. Just have to You know set goals for yourself and work towards your goals I I use myself an example when I when I was seventeen years of age fourteen years of age. I told my my brother that I wanted to become a professional hockey player. And what do I need to do. Well being the youngest of thirteen children. I I had to stay in school Get an education I played a number sports growing up but I accept my goal to play professional hockey and hopefully one day get into the National Hockey League and I think that this is what a lot of A lot of people Have to do if they WANNA IF THEY WANNA get into a career you you need to set goals for yourself often. You need to stay focused on what you wanted to do. And don't tell anybody that don't let anybody tell you you can attain your goal and my message is if you think you can you can if you think your rate and there's a lot of truth to them. I totally agree with you. That said is there anything the NHL can do to help facilitate a make sure that these opportunities are being given people are given fair. Looks for these jobs well. They adore doors are open. You know and I think the NHL Cello doing everything they can. You know to to make it possible for for these people to get these positions You know you have to You have to feel within your heart within your mind that you WanNa make something happen and you if if you think you can in and work for you and you can make a difference. Willie Emily and I go to a lot of different events. All Star Games all sorts of stuff. We've seen you so many times at at these events meet-and-greet and people taking pictures of the kids. That sort of thing. What is that experience media? We're talking two thousand twenty now longtime since you're you playing days and yet people are coming up all the time to get pictures William Henry. I know it's a it's a nice feeling really You you know since since since I came aboard the NHL and You know I just wanted to give back. Give back to the sport what the what the sport had given me and I'm I'm so I'm so happy that you know commissioner bathroom and gave me the opportunity to get back into hockey after I had retired from nineteen eighty and then getting I'm back into hockey in nineteen ninety ninety six I just have a great time. I know that people are GonNa come up to me and ask me for an autograph re picture and you know I can't I can't even you know go into arena and get the my you know. Walk towards my seat before you know people come up and recognize me and I can see them pointing in in my direction and you know I'm coming over and saying Mr read. Do you mind if I get a picture with my son or daughter. So but It's Nice it's it's part part of what I do and I I'm so thrilled that I'm still able to Work at my age and be it'd be a part of the NHL family. What's your relationship to the current? NHL Right now do you watch it. Do you have any favorite players. You like Enjoy a lot of favorite place but I just watching. I just love watching the game. You know You know when I played Six teams or what's called the original six and then in nineteen sixty seven it it expanded six more teams and now we have thirty one and then Seattle will be coming in next year and For thirty two and it's The League it just keeps it's growing and growing the I love the The two referees the two linesmen all those still they miss a few things but The game is faster The players are bigger stronger. Better condition than than I was because they have the facilities rate in the arenas to tape themselves in the top. Physical Condition I I think the fans are enjoying the You know the three on three and And the shoot out a Lotta love the shootout so they're doing things to make To make the game more exciting for the fans and I have the the NHL package. And I watch in my home. When I'm home I watch you know four or five games A night and It's Ah the game was the game is just a great game. I think it's the greatest a sporting game on earth. My Hope Gary gave you the the Free Discount Code Food for the mistakes do Gary Gary takes good care of me. I guess I'm very pleased and very happy curious. You know sorry. I was a little focus on the coaches and GM's thing but are there any rising stars right now in the coaching ranks. GM ranks that so you think that fans should pay attention to and could be the first black coach in the NHL or first black GM. Oh not great off not right off hand there's I imagine there are some Individuals out there that you know that WanNa get into coaching and some of them that are probably coaching junior college. College teams names We possibly consider you know getting into the into the NHL S- All Right Willie last one because this is the question. Everybody's been asking around hockey for the last two weeks. But they're ready. I am Sir is a veteran. GonNa break rescues record or what I believe. So yes the ways going. If he doesn't get hurt I say yes. Yes Oh man what do you think about like did you. Did you think that goals record for grants was like unbreakable or did I mean. Did you think it was at one day. Oh I I knew that I knew somebody would get one day. You know you know you know back then in the NHL You know when you scored thirty goals thirty goals it's a big a year You know and then all of a sudden. There's there's a forty goal score and then you know Players Gordie Howe and and bobby hauling those were getting getting you know forty and fifty goals but you know the the equipment now is much better the Everything is much better now. The sticks are are so much better than then the wooden sticks us Back then and I just I just think that these players these players that have that have the skills and the the talent They'll they'll they'll work towards breaking breaking that That that goals yeah. Well Willie we so appreciate your time especially because you're calling in California and you can be enjoying the sunshine right now so thank you cannot wait to watch your documentary and ESPN plus on encourage all of our listeners. To do that as well. Yes I when I'm excited about about seeing it You know I'm here with my wife and and We'll definitely be watching it and I'll be telling my My friends that are here that I know here in the San Diego Mesa area and I'm sure that they'll it'll be tuned in to watching. Thank you so much really. You're welcome Sir. Emily thank you our thanks to me hall of Famer absolute icon Willie. The documentary critically acclaimed will be available throughout the February on. ESPN DOT COM. which you can of course get on your desktop or on the ESPN APP and we'll have four airings on ESPN? Two the Seventeenth Eighteenth Twentieth. And the twenty four th check your local listings but you can check that awesome documentary out on the deuce also awesome stuff emily the has come crawling back to the NHL saying nobody gave a crap about our hockey tournament. Last time and young Chang we would likely back in the NHL Business for Beijing the big news this week a meeting between the the NHL NHL Jeff there as well will the IOC willing to go back to original levels of funding for things like travel insurance housing. All the things at the US to pay for then decided not to any more on top of that loosening the restrictions on marketing rights whether it's the use of still images or video Olympic markings the ability to maybe promote and make some dough off of Olympic. Branding all of of this stuff now on the table the NHL optimistic saying hey this is what you've been asking for the NHL being like. Oh who might not still WANNA go and it's an interesting time isn't it for the Olympic. I feel if the NFL's really on the clock right now because this is everybody else calling their bluff. They've used it as a convenient. Excuse that hey. We're not getting any marketing out of it. They're not making it easy for travel insurance like all of these things. Just don't make sense for us to go and now with as you said the IOC taking all those things off the table able to like okay. Well what's holding you back. Why don't you want to go like if you WANNA show that Sidney Crosby Canada goal on NHL Dot Com do it? We're not stopping you about your big hold up and now the NHL really has to admit that this was the convening excuse. They just didn't want to go because it doesn't make data think it makes money for them which as we all I think you and I agree and I think a lot of players agree and I think a lot of fans degrees is a little shortsighted That's only looking at the direct immediate impact of the Olympics. Not The bigger girl larger picture of global outreach and appealing to more casual fans began the this is super interesting to me You see right after this happened. They'll daily the Elliot's still reiterating their point. We're not close to being there. We continue to believe the negatives outweighed the positives But the pressures on them right now. It is have a column on this on on Thursday but I find it to be a real kind of head on desk. I think for a lot of us. When it comes to the Olympics you explain I stand with the NHL in their fight against the the single most corrupt organization outside fever? And I think that they played their hand really well because the NHL said look. We don't think we get anything going to Chiang. Also the is is skimping on the money they used to give us. We're not GONNA go so a bunch of replacement players went nobody cared and the said you know what maybe we should. Just go back to the way things were so Kudos Gary Bettman and Bill Daley and everybody else for taking a stand in calling their bluff seven and now the IFC comes crawling back. That was smart and I stand with them until it comes to the point when you realize that may may be none of this is actually about the Olympics. Maybe all of this is simply them finding a pressure point to try to get the CB extension. They want they're using it as a thing where they're like well. I don't know if we should go unless we get A. CPA in place even though the CBA deadline comes after the Olympics the players are more than willing to figure out an international calendar going forward for Olympics and World Cups and Ryder Cups and all that stuff. They're less willing to tie an event that again happens before the CBA expires expires to the extension of the current CBA. And where I really really really really really get fresh with the. NHL Is that they're on the side of good and light for most of the stuff because they really should get more out of the experience than they have and then they turn around and I and they start getting it and then it's still like you know for lack of a better term playing grab ass and saying well I don't know if the owners want to go even other getting everything that they kind kinda wanted in theory so it's a real it's frustrating for someone who who has supported the NHL throughout this fight. Against the I two now realize that. Maybe it's not about Siasi. I don't think it has to be quite frank. I still think that they're using all of these things as excuses. Like I think once they turned in two thousand the eighteen and didn't go and then Kinda start selling those themselves and the owners on this idea like why were we even going in the first place. We're not getting anything out of it. You know the risk of injuries too big the you know the subject of the season too disruptive they really started believing it and that's my personal belief is now they're going to be need to be talked off the ship because they really don't. I don't WanNa go yeah. I don't believe they. They really don't WanNa go by the way I mean I just don't I cannot process the the amount of investment that they've made in the Chinese market going over there taking their product they're bringing the games they're working with the Chinese government government who has given the NHL substantial money through different corporations to bring games. They're like all of this stuff leads to a dream. Cream of Bill Daley's which is the tap the Chinese Asian markets better than the. NHL has their way behind the other sports. Insofar as figuring out a way to monetize those markets and I just don't think it would seem so counterintuitive to me to spend as much time laying the groundwork as they have their to then not bring in their product to the centerpiece of vent in Chinese sports for the next decade. Like it doesn't make any sense to me but listen it's the NHL wouldn't be the first title. Things didn't really make sense to me. Decision wise I understand what they want to shut down their season. If they do shut down their season they wanNA keep all all the prophets. I completely understand that but from a league perspective and from like you said a big picture perspective. It just seems like a no brainer to bring your product to China if if you've been trying to bring your product China and you have your product to China. Okay here's something I want to throw out there though we know that Gary Bettman and came from the NBA and is often influenced by decisions that they made including wanting to establish a presence in China. What happened with the NBA and China? The last couple months Daryl Amaury happened and that became a huge eyesore for the league and really hampered their goals there and and in many ways set back and became a huge distraction and maybe cost the league maybe millions of dollars are they risk averse in that sense. That are scared that there could be a daryl. Morey that Kinda screws it all out for them. They're like what we're playing with fire here. Maybe China's it's not as important as we thought it's entirely possible. I mean I'm not not ruling that out but at the same time it's like they're still. I mean they've still been uh digging for oil. There haven't been looking. I mean it's it's not as if they don't know the political realities of of the Chinese government and and they're still bringing games they're bringing players there and having you know guys glad glad hand fans and things like that so but I don't. I don't dispute the fact that there there are certainly some considerations of that nature when it comes to being business with the Chinese but we'll we'll say I I I tend to believe this is going to work out. I've always been optimistic that it's going to work out and never really bought the idea that we weren't going to Beijing. We'll see you. You see more pessimistic than I do. I am and mostly just because I've listened to Bill Deli and Gary Bettman for the last more than eighteen months. It's feels feels like two years now. Isn't that in posturing it's just the same things over and over again where there's drilling out. They don't WanNa go. They don't WanNa go. They called out on all their bluffs with all these deadlines boroughs IHF with Vassal saying like. Oh you've got to get us to this deadline. They call them out. They call the ballot and I just feel like they have such a stronghold on this idea that they don't like go they kind of hold all the leverage right. Now Yeah we shall see all right now. It's time for a favorite segment of the week. Phil Kessel so now. Tot Dogs now. He does not love to eat hotdogs. Weekly looking sad and straighten Edward. It's Phil Kessel hotdogs. It's the moment where each week we take a look at the hockey media and the things that are said that are dumb and the reactions actions that are made that are dumber Damien Cox has appeared in this segment many times in the appears again this week talking about the Toronto Maple leafs goaltending on February fifth after Michael Hutchinson was torched by the Rangers. This is on kyle dubious. He designed this all skill. Not We know grit team. He said two years to get back up goalie. He believes in hockey theories few others do. That's fine but if this team can't make the playoffs that's on him. I am twenty minutes later. After the leaves trade for Jack Campbell Damien Cox Davis obviously realized. You couldn't wait any longer. Campbell should be an upgrading reading goal. The Data Damien Cox. Today's later on February seventh leaf. Goalie problem not solved apparently Damien Cox the two days later on February ninth not sure about the tying goal but otherwise. I can't believe night represented a promising step forward for the leaves in dealing with their goalie changes. They looked in charge. I don't know about you but I got whiplash. I've actually wearing a neck. Brace right now I got so much flesh. So where did we land here is is answer. I think prompt promising promising step forward is where we are four days after in two years to get it back up goalie. So there you go all right now we're PUCK HEADLINES DATELINE ALBERTA BAD news for both the flames and the oilers obviously marked your Dano a week to week with a hamstring ring injury. That happened since last. PODCAST announced today as you the podcast convert gave it two to three weeks with a quad injury. He's gone back to Toronto to Rehab with his people. Not Good News at all horrible news in fact for those of us who are dying to see Convic- David in the playoffs. Can the oilers survive without. Jesus three weeks no but they can maintain status. That is quote. which is maybe you know? Split the next few games their next six games are actually in eastern division opponents after they play the blackhawks tonight on Tuesday and then when mcdavid should be back at the end of the buff is when they go against the Pacific Division again with such tight race in anyone's game. So maybe they can in starve off Total single until then But I wouldn't expect anything out of the team for the next two to three weeks or however long with David ends up being out the the oil as we do this. podcast have sixty four points tied for second in the Pacific with Vegas. Keep in mind that the Arizona coyotes are currently the team on the outside looking again and they have sixty three points to remind you how close and tight and how three bad weeks away someone could be from being on the outside looking at the Pacific Division Dateline Alex Ovechkin so he's at six hundred ninety eight goals as Tuesday two games in a row without got a goal with the world watching clearly. Emily cracking under pressure. How much money did bury trots put on the board yesterday to tell us? Alex Ovechkin is not breaking the record against us because islanders played better than I've seen them play in many many moons. Yeah one of the funniest things in that game two was just maybe one of the longest waits for confirmation on a goal that lovie potentially tipped in front of the net. They ended up giving it to John Carlson but like they can't get that that wrong right and it's it's good that they got it right as I think why no pointed out ovechkin hit seven hundred and then gets one of taken away after the game would pick. NHL So glad that happened. I WILL BE IN DENVER FOR THE CAPS next game on Thursday against the avalanche. Hopefully there to witness history but we shall see he's GonNa obviously hit seven hundred soon and I hope he does it sooner than later we could say on that sixty goal pace and they can do it when one of those games are on. ESPN plus your one of those games on ESPN plus but also could keep slicing and dicing his way into that Gretzky ski record. Oh man it's going to happen. Dateline calder trophy. All right we've been talking Kale versus Quinn all season. As of right now it. It's the status quo Queen Hughes your rookie leader in points as a defenseman. I mean mean rookie leader overall. But he's also a defendant. Calma car has the better points per game. Average by a pretty wide margin over over Quinn but are we missing the big picture here. Are we arguing about two elite young defensive. We should be talking about a certain hip swiveling goaltender in Columbus who might run through and win. The calder Elvis. Moore's Lincoln's and I don't know why no one's asked. This is question sooner. It's genius. Yeah we should be talking about him. He's probably the best story in hockey right now. And I look at the last goals won the calder for ironically or maybe on ironically Steve Mason with the blue jackets. He played a pretty much a full season. But then you've got Andrew Ray craft with the Bruins. He went twenty nine eighteen. Okay that's the full season most of these guys have full seasons but I'm trying to say But if Ovitz's as impactful as he's been I would give my vote to him As of right now he has a nine thirty evens. Rates Save percentage or a nine hundred overall save percentage rather with a two nineteen goals against average twelve five overall twenty four starts. I mean we'll see long season. Obviously I think he's kind of exerted his will into that race a little bit dateline been caught stealing. Oh look at Major League baseball with its Fancy Nancy you maybe we let the WELKER teams pick their opponents idea that they totally stole from the Southern Professional Hockey League two years ago come on you tell them yeah everything. That's great came from hockey. We know that except for the stuff we steal from the NBA. We've talked about this format before four. I think on this podcast I still I think. There's two ways look at it. One is that teams are cowards. They will just pick the team. There's a post play out of fear of making the wrong decision and God forbid you like are supposed to play the eight seed and you pick the seven seed because you think that they're going to be an easier matchup and then the seventies like what we are now really angry and then you know. Sweep you blue jacket style but where I think. This format is interesting. Thing for Major League Baseball or any sport is the idea that if there is a catastrophic injury I if if you are in the Pacific Division drivers seat and you have your choice between Arizona and Vegas and Vegas just lost flurry to injury and you have the ability to Pick Doc Vegas as your first round opponent because of that. Well I mean that. That's that's an interesting wrinkle. If you're going to have this format that I suppose picking your opponents thing I do. If they're wrinkle also includes a big prime time TV special where you can make it entertainment. I think baseball has learned in the path. That struggling for relevancy is not easy and look. They've been in the news lately for not great things but at least the relevant right. It's like a big big scandal. Were grown men are standing in hallways banging trash cans and a big trade that nobody understands. Why happened between two marquee franchises like those things are good and they keep people talking about it and if you can get a big event on Fox Primetime where you've got you know mookie Betts with the dodgers going up saying we choose to play the lowly Chicago cubs in the first round? Like that's awesome. Yeah that would be awesome. I'm actually with you even beyond that. There should be more special event type things that happened in sports. Like like one of my favorite things. Low Key in in all sports is the FETA World Cup group draw like like. That's a fun event. And I wish there was more stuff like that for like the playoffs on an annual basis to more dateline Anaheim a record crowd for the US National Women's team on home soil. Thirteen thousand thousand three hundred twenty packed the Anaheim's arena to watch our our heroes defeat Canada for three on Bacon. Bo's ex power play goal. Roll forty two seconds into overtime awesome event. Lots of people digging it and a big old crowd again for this barnstorming tour between the Americans and Canadians. I have to give credit here to the Anaheim ducks who did a heck of job promoting this event and when it comes to women's in sports promotion matters and they took this extremely seriously. They tried to get new fans into their arena. They tried to get existing fans into their arena. And I know that the ladies appreciated it and I think that should be the standard And you know I compare this to when they played in Hartford Connecticut at the Excel Centre a few months ago and like there were editors unders at ESPN ESPN. W didn't even know that event was going on which is just a shame really so I've got to give credit to the docks and this seemed like a great rivalry series. It seems like the mental going forward and They want so who who's not cinema cinema happy as they say dateline finally dateline. The Oscars Sir had literal tears in my eyes parasite one. I was so happy a love that movie. It's a perfect movie and I love that. Who made it and I love how it got made and I love that? It's somehow somehow a foreign language film with actual subtitles overcame a war movie with the British Thespians. To Win Best Picture. I could could not be happier at the results of the Oscars. What was your takeaway from these Academy Awards? Emily and I need to see parasite the uncultured idiot. Who hasn't seen it? I think a lot of people haven't seen it to be honest with you. I think subtitles scare people. There was a thread that our good friend. Katie bakes from the ringer hit me too about like should be dubbing movies versus subtitles. I think there's a large contingent the people that would rather watch a movie than have to read subtitles with the cooling up a parasite. I'm trying to tell people. Is that like. Yeah there's stuff you gotta read to keep up with the plot but it's not as if it is a constant stream of subtitles like there's a lot in the movie. That just tells the story through visuals. which is you know? Filmmaking how exciting what did you think of the Eminem drop drop in twenty years after eight mile the confused. There aren't very confused. Can you explain to me I. He didn't perform perform. When when yourself one so I guess this correct the record? I don't know it's it was a very random thing it got their start. Relevancy woke up. Some people So it's the Oscars were the Oscars. And and congratulations to all the winners congratulations to walking Phoenix for an Alzheimer Acceptance Speech. That if you had a cow insemination on your Oscar Bingo Card well boy howdy. Did you make out okay after that speech now. It's time for the rent line. Thank Greg and Emily Something tracking the holiest kind of pitches being all about the hockey world. In general is seen goal border. Every single one admits the east coast. Does this thing get nobody. Nobody does a single thing to try to correct doc. Those issues. I mean kid team start you know earlier on the East Coast to coast and later as is a rather take pat a team in the central can sail to watch the games that late people who can pay to literally watch carefully watched them the next morning. Thanks for everything first of all. Good Sir how do you know that. Emily covers the western conference has always covered the western conference. I'll have you know that I relocated to California last year so I don't know who this every hockey reporter thing is but emily and I are fighting the good fight against East Coast bias while working for a company based in Bristol Connecticut. I truly believe that I have a central time bias. I believe that central time is the best time zone. All teams that play in the central time zone have an inherent advantage so I will vote for all of them for awards. I would never vote for any west conference people for awards. I mean. There's an east coast bias not bias for all the Eastern Conference and it can in for heart Jordan Benton can get the shore. Pasture Dot Clark's Carlson. Norris to calder vitral of San based on sample size. So that's a good pick. Yes L. Key obviously Patrice Bergeron shot up to the God awed being awesome out US obviously. Yeah is there any other Toronto. Maybe you should get the soup man as the you know. He hasn't played like fifty games. But you can get him in the calder. Jackie you've both Jack. Adams is a three way tie between Mike Sullivan Sheldon. Keefe and Bruce Cassidy. Ready to get buried trots the nomination for real though I I try not to be as cynical as I used to be about the voting at a good conversation Frank Survey about cynicism the other day and vote and the voters voters I think I think people have gotten better. I think people are no longer simply just paying attention to the teams they watch paying paying attention to the Games they watch. I think that East Coast bias has eased up a little bit when it comes to the awards I think there is AH also the. Pow Way does a good job of diversifying. Its voter base to try to get as many people from different geographic areas as they can involve not just make the Boston Toronto awards awards so like I think it's gotten better is what I'm trying to say. I don't think it has to get better because like if you if your job is to cover hockey and you're never watching Connor mcdavid allies pederson like on a daily basis. What are you doing? You're not covering forty percent of the best players league so all right well I I. I don't disagree. It's a problem but I think it's gotten better as the point. Thank the rent line to the Great Williams for joining us. I'm great wishing ski. You can buy stuff in. ESPN DOT COM. I my call him. The wishlist comes out on Thursdays will be about the Olympics Issue this week also. Oh my podcast puck soup with me. Ron Ryan Lambert where we say. Naughty words is also found weekly tunes and do check that out as well and you were awesome on the daily this week I was talking talking lovie. That's a a real fun podcast to be a part of an and and As I said to me I was honored to be on because I was under the impression that it was going to be an XFL. Only podcast going forward based on her tweets responded to you. 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Kirk Minihane Has Jared Carrabis To Thank For His Career; Recaps the Willie Colon Spat And Responds To Shirley Leung's Embarrassing Interview

The Kirk Minihane Show

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Kirk Minihane Has Jared Carrabis To Thank For His Career; Recaps the Willie Colon Spat And Responds To Shirley Leung's Embarrassing Interview

"Dark is continue at your kind of walked into the conversation so I mean just kind of keep going to madhouse. I WANNA get I don't WanNa get away. I feel feel weird if you're walking into the show Dave is giving me a lot of his opinions on the Gig economy and things of that nature you know what was a conversation this morning. <hes> just like kind of what we're playing today because it seems semi lively than I. It seems like that just end grim reaper. It just ends cloud of doom. I'm working through this. These are my issues. These are my issue don't want to buy you know what what. What kind of ideas did you have we were? I think we were mostly wondering how that <hes> that big dinner went last night. Oh Jeez yeah dinner last night with the old show L. Partner Gerry Callahan Mike Mutnansky Manzke <hes> Chris Curtis and no Ken Laird he did not show up. He's not having still well. I talked to Curtis about and he's like he's just kind of wants to move on and get away from that. He's done with him yet. He's done with the Yes the drama I understand that I'm sure we'll be friends again once. It was fine but I guess it was fine but there was tension there was this tension kind of tension in the air the whole time he's he fell into the drama basically Kim Yeah. He's a sporty Guy Yeah. He wasn't yeah he's wasn't even part of the thing last night but there's just jerry was could move but also kind of like he was mad yesterday. He's like you said he's time a meals on our show yesterday and he's like yeah you made fun of our Spring Book. Why are you doing that and I'm like what what are we did? We I don't even know what a what are we doing yeah. What do you still worked up? Both this. I have blown him. The last couple of weeks like way like I told him less than half of its bullshit like all these people always people tweeting at him. If they listened to his show it still have show right so all these people all the sudden like God they're mad because the people who brought me down brought him down to like Jerry too. I mean he's been there not quitter fucking ninety years old like the guy who he's GonNa get mad. I'm kidding you pussy on kidding me saying that <hes> they say we went to the border cafe in Harvard Square last night in I got there I was crazy. It was during that whole thunder lightning fucking madness right where I thought when that happens like humidity is supposed to drop. It's Iran this morning. Let me I'll tell you what the humidity thank God Guy Disgusting Motorola and how many how many I mean obviously how many nice weather days a year are there. If you really think about it I mean what ten it sucks anyway. Global global warming is what we call it down a bit global warming. was that kind of the point though anyway anyway so I get there in the guy who's general manager of the restaurant which I love. I love that title anyway of like a restaurant general manager like like he's the guy you make make deals signed people. He comes over. He's like Oh has a podcast going very nice and he said I get your table right away right away Mr Mini right away and I said by the window he's older. You know there's like Blake late fifties. I'd say overweight kind of Nice very nice guy like I'd like Joe Guy You know and and I'm like I'm like yeah I'm actually here. Jerry's Jerry's coming here who in for guy like that that is why Gerry Callahan will have a future in rate local radio that that crowd has nowhere else to really for like even like the bad way but like he's he's the guy they want to hear him this next year for sure can shit all over the Democrats in these these horrible Congress women and I go back. He's right go back. He's Millennials Eos can't even spell parody accounts type sock but he's there guy and there's no like that's to me like nobody else in Boston. I'm gone. I felt whatever people listening around the country by the way I did notice after going the Barstool for day even that a lot more tweets came from all around the country said recognize and I spoke to people <hes> at the corporate offices this is who would like more of Kirkman the hand in New York oh boy. I'M GONNA say I'M GONNA say wow G._D.. With a with a minimum inciting Magellan you are out of vision there with the billy. The wow warned me. He warned is forced by the way women said last week. What did you say I said that you're going to cause a stir? They're going to want more of you there. He's started with. I'm warning. Wow Wow anyway so yeah. That's I thought that Jerry last night driving back. I was like she's that guy. Those guys you know are going to the next year in the need somebody that guide them through this particularly. If God forbid trump loses which he will not by the way he will he will he will not lose no chance zero none. I know I know your political animal. No no no chance now last night. Did you watch a rally last night or no. No don't worry about you staring at the wall last night where you're doing I stay. I know you're working last night. Actually Oh Jeez. I forgot to listen listen to the trash and the other one listen up. Yes I was listening to the <hes> <hes> the O._J.. Lawyer with Kim Goldman I listened. I did listen to that when she called into the shore or I listen to sern yes. I've already listened to that other that one which other with the producer and the lawyer no. I'm sorry she called in he was on. She was on the show in Vegas last week. He called in Oh really kind of went back and forth yes. It was listening to that coming not that I love his twitter by the way it's all just re tweeting people's like barring well ring talking about the Stern interview as you got the O._J.. Lawyer who is combative in we think we're going to take the interview with him after the show today I'm I have very many doubts about that yeah. He was not an easy person to communicate with Mike that was part of our conversation. Mike told me that as part of that podcast producer aired a conversation that she had with him and that proves how difficulty is as a human being right well. I think all the conversations with him. He's going to be a tough conversation yesterday not going to be easy. It's not gonNA juices lawyer Yes yes. It's being the juice. Mike let me tell you about. 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GET ROMAN DOT COM SLASH KIRK DOT com slash kirk five dollars the first month when they start doing like that the voice ramps up that means. I'm wrapping up the read Mike That's how you do it on. Listening to Cookman has a podcast Kirk Minna Hain who is apparently a derelict of some kind kirk no one more controversial right now on the sports talk world. I'm talking about current media. Hang kind of you yes well. He is white hot right now as say something about Kirkman hand because I like him. Kirk is like sports genius who everyone he's fucking. I'm learning. Is there any. Is there any by Mike internship what's going on. I so I see I I see intern and stuff all the time so you've you've narrowed down to two people that seem like they could hang in this community here. Okay great this group of threes vetting them great Gav what it takes Steve would really put them through boot camp. I've not heard from Steve all week. I don't think you yes are you have Oh. You're the Steve Whisper what's going on. I don't know and some idea Oh. I don't think he'd like what what is it. I don't even really whispering well. Did you get that method as well. Maybe say it I don't I don't even remember what what it was something nothing like something to do with trump and it had to do with him being Italy I duNNo. It was very confusing to me. I was just like that. Sounds good. I don't know is like Steve asking Italians about trump or something no no no. I don't think it was anything like that when we pull up I didn't know rush fucking where you don't worry yeah. I didn't realize this would come up. I'm sorry but yeah I it was not not one of his best ideas but actually might have been terrible. What's the people have been saying Dave? Just find the fucking email shut up. find the fuck trying like Bam the worst dampers I've ever seen it's fine the guy I'm going. I mean he knows you get it takes me. That's true yeah. It's fair. I could watch you with that thing in the face all day. Good hold on. I barely cares overthrow way to get to something else about Steve. I was just moving. Why don't you make me do that thing difficult? I didn't want to do it Jesus so he wrote trump guy sues Gizmodo and ends up admitting knitting to hiring many hookers and having multiple missed even listening to the show. Oh Yeah what's that guy. What was that Dude's name yeah? You know what I'm talking about him on <hes> he didn't confused just sent the article about I don't know I wonder what Steve Thinks of the show. I want to read this whole thread really bad shitting there for we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA say about Dave Michael. You're slowing people people forgotten who steve is same data doing a great you. I'm not seeing a lot of that. I saw people criticizing the Audio Dave. Oh who criticized the personal twitter of course you jumped on them right away that was for serious by the way that they turned volume down. I'm just saying people's no people mike was much louder. Oh yeah someone did I did fuck up admitted to a fuck up yesterday again. What did you do? I shoulda taped your interview with Willie yesterday video video yeah yeah I mean I don't care care honestly like I put that in in the in the blog about battling with those panel with big Willie Large Right. I fought back those guys so we did yesterday. Got Lottery spots to of course this is how it works. Everybody who's my twitter follow says you know awesome. You kicked his ass everybody on his twitter followers. I'm sure probably said you know whatever I heard much unanimously on your side really Jeez. I don't know what big Willie's he's GonNa do about the high dug in the weeds a little bit. I didn't see much for him the largest words after <hes>. They hung up with you oh he did oh. What did he have to say? It wasn't about like wasn't blogging like he didn't his old job and he was talking about drugging women was he wasn't that was it. I know okay okay. That's strange. That's funny tweet. Was that was funny stuff walking my wrong. No I mean so I so I always I always mentioned. There's always like a like a Weasley guy. There's always a wheezy. I think are pleased as the Weasley guys get his anybody. <hes> you know <hes> and I'll you know again to fight fight with them an argument with them. They're never wrong. There's nothing more annoying than a guy who's wrong. We can't admit he's wrong and then Jesus Christ. I don't know you're wrong. Survive that beat down by the way. I'm kidding about large like you can. I you know I don't care right whatever it doesn't matter to me. Only anybody should be firefighter that shit stupid and by the way like honestly he seemed like a very nice guy when I mean not do kind of the unanimous those guys get the Eh just very nice kind of Cologne. He seems like Dick Along with you for this oh but large they're doing what they have to do. It's no big deal and I texted pat and I said hey really ever wants to call me and having actual conversation like just talk it out Bob. Call me anytime. I don't care you know whatever he wants to. I'm sure that'll be spun as U._B._S.. Hey can we talk whatever but yeah didn't understand that either as well. Do you want to have a conversation like because you WanNa talk to me here. Let's talk about off air or not or save on their I do. They said numerous times that they would come on your podcast. You can go on their show show whenever they want. I don't care it doesn't matter to me it. was there any other with any notable barstool reaction to this. I saw some tweets. I don't know anybody good. Nothing like overwhelming now said what do you have. Someone did say something about how you got this way. WHO's that jared? Crabs had some thoughts on how you became Kirkman Eoghan that I thought we started sense Jeremiah. That's the first ever interviewed him. He's like asked me whatever you want and now I think when he came on sectioned ten that was the first time the ever did an stops. Stop Stop we're done. I'm leaving retired. This thousand fifteen wait a minute. Wait a minute this fuck head wait a minute. Wait a fucking. What what what is this? What is where's this ego come from from his dummy? What is he's gotten a little the big one drip who doesn't have a fucking breeze a baseball? This fucking head between these years is sitting there spinning like nostalgic about how I learned the craft in the basement of blackbirds fucking house with a dog now is the first looking my fucking leg doesn't fifteen. I was already you know pretty much already been suspended. I was always already the biggest second biggest. Whoever wherever you want to rank at the city of Boston like wasn't even close in your mouth? I think we should how long has a long. Let's see it's pretty quick note like the first time I've ever interviewed him. He's asked me whatever you want and now I think when he came on section ten that was the first time the ever did an audio record dot dot interview that he did with us was what sparked something in his brain where he was like. Oh there are avenues where I can say whatever I want because that's when the Kirk Minihan show started was after that like he came on with us and we asked him anything and he said whatever he wanted and it was uncensored funky talking about so it's my understanding and I thought this for years now you looked around people burns basement and said now this is yeah I I mean I had never known podcast before I went on for opposite show. Oh my God. This is first of all oh I can go on like make fun of other other radio shows boy. I never do that anywhere to my show every no no he's right in the old podcast I started after I did crops his podcast like in the history of time that is true. I would say the two were not related. You've been discussed long before that. I'll say I did enjoy actually a good time because it was I will say it was fun to go down. There and just kind of bullshit sure like this is but it wasn't no way looking at sharecroppers. No light went off in my head nor do I go off his there was no there was no I liked her. There's just seems to be a little bit of an e. I like I hate and leg jared a lot at the same time. He drives me nuts. I saw twee yesterday Ric Rob. He's he's verbal master kick in the war with him. Yeah Oh okay. I'm like a little thick. I mean it's had an argument. It's life goes on verbal Matt's the K._F._C. and Casey. They don't even now. What are they supposed say? They don't even know well the they probably just assume that's true true. I think the problem is all old on real quick those forty one year doesn't fifteen forty or forty one at that point like I was pretty well knew that was doing. I didn't need people per share cropper guiding you dummy Steve Peralte to fuck who's on with crops now. Parole may coli mic yeah okay. It's coli mic. He's the guy who said next to me on the yeah yeah. He seems like a Nice Guy Yeah right yeah. He's only on twitter. I don't listen to his shows a lot. He seems Pretty Nice. What's his deal? I don't know he's Big Basketball Guy Guy. He looks like he's just looks like he's kind of a stereotypical like yeah yeah yeah but I think he's aware of it. Oh yeah after it seemed like a nice guy. I was telling big K yesterday. How much actually enjoy that dynamic those guys have? It's fun. That's that is a good show. I enjoy that she should be on the mornings. I probable Israel was willy being like eyestone eyestone like the you call me a pussy and then Kirkwood come up with I I didn't call you didn't call you pussy. I called you fucking plus. I Kirk is is a master at verbal sparring and I don't think the Willy Willy has openly said I don't know who the fuck you are. You're nobody outside of Boston this and that but it's like Kirk is is a professional at this. What I think is using to the guy though like the Kirk is Nova? I mean like they kind of like bar so created a radio station and then just through a bunch of assholes on their like none of us really know how to do this professionally. He Kirk is professional. He's at verbal assassin. We've never experienced anyone like him. Okay here besides sides. Maybe Dave okay. I'm like in this crevice. He's coming from coming around and ironically there is a kernel of truth and all that ask history that they're you know it's just a mean this like Willie Cologne. Oh yeah well. They're not radio right and I had to do that to survive business really clone. Didn't he played professional sports so that you you immediately jump way ahead. Yeah it's stupid I mean this is like what I'm dealing with. I dealt with in the past like big time football or you do the shows a radio station say bringing an athlete you know bringing Tim Wakefield Bring Match Chatham nickel-rich Rob Nicot you try and talk to these empty heads who are very nice people you know most of them but like they don't want to do anything they're trained not the same interesting yeah it takes any work. They're just like Oh. You can talk honestly a lot of credit. He gets up early every morning. I was there a couple of days ago. He was their way after the show. Clearly he works at it. You know it's so it's not like he's some athletes shows up takes a check and leaves. He's trying. I made a lot of money so it's not my guess is he doesn't have to do it so I give him credit but a lot of these guys just think they just show up and they're like you know all right here we go. I'm an athlete and pull my pants down. Just Lick my frigging asshole for it's like well. That doesn't doesn't work that way to be entertained you have to be you know yeah. I I mean I think really doesn't okay job and I'm sure he's fine. His talents Moore's attitude get on the why I'm like bull. That's fine too like it. Doesn't I'm not angry about any of it and I'm kidding around but before I know Willie Cologne I've read actually spent some time read. Some stories home. Yesterday seems like a nice. This guy who's led a really interesting life talked about his family. I read some store in New York Times from five or six years ago. We tweeted out. It's actually pretty good. He seems like a nice guy. Everybody there seems to like him. I think I poked him somewhere that you didn't just a little defense in this athlete that's pretty much all this point was also defending his show which I kinda respect to like fuck. You sure you know it's like when that fuck had was attacking me a couple of weeks ago that fight back in the sword. We'll willie fallen sort. I'm I'll get the sensible he's going to fall in the fall of fallen my Dick Though that my deck if he's not careful slide right on their down fucking come on you Willie Cock sucker. That was the only thing I didn't like people responding to our tweets like Willie Willie sounded awfully homophobic don't know but yes but the correct they'll say this. I get the joke fine but here's the thing though like they were dancing around some bullshit racism thing so people into for the smoke so we'll give it to try called Quest Nice and smooth though isn't it when you come back into that this is my favorite group of all time cannot hear really yeah my favorite group who doesn't love <hes> five in shade <hes> q tip the whole gang gang gang cart doesn't like walkers not a big took doesn't matter at this point racist that's larger so then I mean you know again. It was a joke joke but yeah but it's a joke that's built on this bullshit spent so that'd be like me joking about his past like do Google search specifically looks like you want. They did it to me do it to him but you didn't come without yesterday yesterday you just did you think I mean I mean come on but I mean next time I will and you know. I'll poke around the final things about them. You know that's easy. I saw them. You know whatever it's fine. It's over they're gonNA do they'll never mentioned i. I know how guys like that operate. They're going to do their show today. It's fine and whatever and they both seem like nice guys and large roughened rowdy. I think this Friday right yes so good excellent. That'll be good down North Carolina. which do we have the website for that? <hes> roughing dot dot com visit Byron are art. Watch it or what exactly what we do on Friday night. I'll be watching the British Open on T._v.. I'll be watching roughing. Rowdy could companyman to go to it. I mean it's that's a great weekend going on in Fort Bragg right or no worse. Yes Fort Bragg. Thank you thank you very much any anything else. Any other loose ends on that before we move onto other stuff and you know you hear anything as far as the parcel breakfast thing any bar. I cannot believe that corrobos thing that I one forget the verbal master thing the woman I learned his knee. The Kirk just looked around and said this is this is the place this is the mother Nirvana place to be. I should leave my job. Just hang out with you guys. Who Do you have on this week Alfredo Vase? That's the other thing to the section ten podcast so you really like I could talk baseball wherever I want I mean I think we I remember. I think we talked. I you talk mostly like media. Yeah we did a couple of like red sox. Were terrible that I forget. We picked a couple of things oh it's a localized story but like it's it's for a summer stories already blown up around here. Is this price Eckersley thing Oh yeah so I don't really understand. It seems like everybody's mad at price right yeah so as a story in the globe Chad Thin wrote a stories was the purported media critic in the globe he wrote a story of long profile like an ass kissing eckersley piece right right right dislikes or whatever Indian David price altercation a couple years ago on the plane and Finn asked Eckersley about neck asleep basis like i Never WanNa talk to him again and then price bark back at them right yeah so what's the big deal. Wiser worked up just because nothing else going on yeah. It's boring week. I guess and an people still hate David price on some low prices at Dick but like I don't know like I it sounds to me what price was. He tried to arrange a meeting with Eckersley. Agassi blew him off price that he was wrong and the what else does he supposed to do. I have no use for price. Either right. I remember we we didn't interviewees every spring training which sucked and we didn't interview with price his first year and before the interview started Jerry with always try and be nice talked to these guys and I would sit there their bench. What's what's the word what's the word? That's us for me or not Nora L. but like there's a whether the biggest Sherwood do share right on the planet where she by the way we heard from her she will not get back with <hes> <hes> okay anyway anyway. I saw she's in that world where she communicates with the hill man crew in. I am getting closer. I'm just going to say this with stuff like that. Not Responding getting closer to sending the Hounds Nafta the Hillman morning show just because I feel like it stopped my fingers in sending them in the fans. I'm a I'm a I'm journey. I don't even think you have to kind of having bordering on having just though I just anyway I like them. Leave them alone for now actually even liked him. I don't care anyway so we're doing. The interview price and there's a little talk of Roy Jerry Lewis Book Yeah. It's where you stay in here. All we Miramar Lakes is great. They got a great pasta place. Twin peaks beer is so cool. My wife is great. She's able to like she'll go on her phone. Find Hotel Book. It's unbelievable so the beers you should go. If you've been there the beard all they got a great movie theater this seating so most of them are nice and they go back and forth Jerry's its Joe's always good to that because it disarm them. They kind of knew he was anyway so always made the better good at that rice sat there with my body turn of so uncomfortable in Jerry said do <hes> around like Jerry said the price is a guy saw something about your dog on twitter. What your dog's name again in price looked in like you'll know my dog's name? It's astro like you said that like like how dare you not know the name of dog. I remember we interview was I think we're on the air store like this guy's asshole. What a great pitcher? He doesn't have to be a nice guy. It doesn't matter to me but I'm just like the he thinks like he. You know he's better than would you. You'd say he's an asshole even those and African American pitcher that's true. That's great guy. He's a cook took. The Great Andrew Jones Pretty Auriol's who could forget those years for the brains Maddox Smoltz Glavin and Jones Ah but yeah I was like Oh that's that's kind of number saying that day. I was like not GonNa work here for him. Not did not gonNA work and by the way but even if he signed with Seattle he'd be like that guys. Some guys are just like that all right so I don't know I found it interesting testing but the other thing I've found that she was the writer Chad Finn who now has a story. That's got buzz. All over the place goes online is like I feel so bad that this happened exit great guy and like what are you doing. He feels bad that he started the Alec this John. You're writing story like what is happening to the war. I don't know everyone's because you know why because for the first time he wrote something that got some other than you know about US yeah. It was what the Red Sox. He couldn't be safer right. He's GonNa write a fawning thing about Dennis Eckersley fine like you know everyone likes eckersley Ashley Right and and I've I've I've watched red sox game in years honestly in years so I have no idea if he's as good as everybody says I don't know it's seems like he's not bad. I mean he's not he's not Betas. Make a turn it off here. It is because I wrote a profile of ECK in. It's a piece of his stories of socks broadcaster. I really wish this had turned to a shit storm. Because all we do was answering my question. Honestly you'll wish to turn their job. Every time you right you WANNA turn jobs. Make people talk about it at the very least and then people are doing in my old place Alex Reamer <hes> took that quote and turned it into <hes> what's aggregate is that what's called the headline going basically saying accuracy hates price right right smart. That's like that's what you're supposed to that your job. That's Alex's job I think reamer even said like yeah I took a piece that would be the most controversial and I wrote about right in the guy wrote it. He should own it and then he's Joe. I hate being the position of defending he I but it seems to me at this guy is like getting mad at Alex for doing that. Yeah it's crazy and it doesn't I don't even understand well as I think will address briefly landless later. Show people in the media are very they hate having to answer for the things they say it's a credible they wanna just throw it out there. Have you read it and enjoy it and say glowing things about it right but God forbid you say anything negative river interesting about by the way nobody setting negative with the story except for Price Ri- right no we'll also also like what is like. I think price this is again because these guys never read the stories price quote tweeted Alex's aggregated thing thing so we didn't read the story like facade fin asked. It wasn't like Acasuso Aka. I want to talk about David Price. It's why were here fin estimates. She has to actually answered it included in the story right. The bigger picture isn't so much. I don't give a shit about this feud. It's just a weird way. They've won react to shit and that's the Pete Abraham Syndrome where it's like an athlete might not like me like now David Price Mighty mad at Chad fail. I saw that Pussy Abraham wrote today. It's time for these to finally get together and talk it out why why get like each other her like it's not right they both it's right. The two guys who won cy young awards don't like each other. It's so you know just because they throw ball fast they can have flaws to they can rex America's Nanna P._D.. Never went down. Let's get let's get there. Both both have world series rings. How can they like each other part of the part of the CY? Young Fraternity toucher enrich a poll out right now. Are you team Eker team price. Where do you stand? Where do you stand whose team who pick aside whose side of you I met democracy wants? He was nice to meet said he was a fan. Done funding very racist of Yami amass verbal master. I tell you favorite pitchers Dave Stewart though he may visit Oakland as right Buckeye some saying okay. You know that I could tell by your. Did you know don't worry about eighties as Andrew Jones thank you what's the what does the poll result. Touch Richard blocked me years ago. It's literally six seconds ago. Let's see they have twelve votes aren't going to be Equa ahead though ooh hundred percent you know why yeah I mean why Austin come on why gold standard racism the quote my good friend Chanel Hill who is blocked me at twitter Oh man I never get the twitter blocking. We'll get to the stock by David Price Ironically. Are you really yes. I'm sure you said something to him about him. I said he was not very good on on the mount. It's always amazed me probably a two million followers right or whatever I mean even see it who knows because he reads every single one problem. She's any favorites all the nice ones and he blondes all always like that. I it seems what I never understand. Is the twitter block when you've never had any association with some. I can explain that to go ahead. It's I've heard our friend. Jim Murray is like this. I think so. There's a there's an algorithm. I don't ever Chad Finn is like this chat box me. There's you know what did you say well him probably probably riveting stuff up saints. You rip him on twitter or something. They probably re tweets. Jim Murray thing is is a literal program where say you can say you don't want to block individuals as they come to you can block if you follow Kirkman Eoghan Gerry Callahan <hes> Dave Portnoy and Kevin clancy then you're automatically if you will follow all four of those Oh there's like a some sort of algorithm where you can. I don't know how you do it because at the Natalie with one Nelly Weiner Natalie we have the she blocked me like months like the joy mentioned your name yet another story that choosing before because I looked up I wanted to have run the old podcast that was blocks in with this like Juliet Caro like this we though she leaves me I dunno it's strange strange seems to be a because people have said like Jim Murray or whoever has blocked me. I've never had a big blocker. He'd been blocked. You know I've seen that a lot of people say that and they're like I've never said anything to him and I. I assume that's what it is where there's some sort of system where if you follow this person this person this person you automatically so so I guess their defense is just. They don't want anything negative they just against which I mean it's probably a healthier life. Oh for sure yeah I guess but I just feel I kind of just mute people as they do a lot of that. The last person I blocked was the late Brian Radio that was which makes sense yeah yeah. That's an I gave him. I'm Josh I give the guy like enough like in you know. He's seems like a good guy seems New Orleans Nice because he's still going crazy or no. I blocked him as well. I don't even want to know. I don't know I mean when someone repeatedly says you should die. Hi in your cancer after Wi wit need all right. That's what you have blind like. Wait thank you have. It's funny to make a funny blind. Give me from the observation what's going on the world boy this <hes> the the trump guys a real character you already language already laying two thousand ten drugged out brains and I'll take thick. I what do you think with the wall by wall joke with trump to get Roman right. Now I get Roman dot com five dollars for the first month. GET ROMAN DOT COM GET TRAUMAN DOT COM get Roman dot com slash kirk work for a better long-lasting sexual experience no doubt about it. We've talked about this. All the time we get feedback actually tweet yesterday from somebody forgot between that should do that. GET ROMAN DOT com slash Kirk. Women are happy. Men are happy. Everybody's happy sexual experiences since this show started. I think nationwide wide last like fourteen minutes longer. I read some poliocy where it said that well sure Paul. Oh my wall wondering at dyson that's that's Irish show yesterday you did. He changed publicists album so I reached out to the manager have not heard back. Did you check with Kelly Smith. I have not yet great idea had another idea about her this morning as well Kelly Martin Smith and our potential good are potential intern has relationship with dice okay. This is amazing reached out said you need some help but the guy who used to buy one get Roman dot com slash car gets Roman dot com slash Kirk. We'll definitely have days to get Roman read that'd be there's no doubt about that was doing company would love that you said company. Come all over my knee. No that saying get Roma Dot com slash federal get trauman dot com slash kirk five dollars for your first month. What what we say oh so so the <hes> the producer who is not to be named who by the way I think is on the street? Yeah looks like with a shame yeah. I feel terrible. I'm sure he won't do this murdering murdering me about that laugh right there. Let's face you ever see his thing was always that he had a relationship with Jay. Leno I let one for you so I was like guaranteed that means ends. He called the other show that works for one correct. You know what I mean. No no unlike a book tour could five minutes with Hillman two thousand seven new car show and he's like he's. He's like you came next next day a great you know I would love for me. I what we talked. What's the other day I love when Comedians talked other comedians nothing a comedian but you I mean when Comedians tell old stories just a life and did a really good interview on Shit? I'll find it. I'll talk about tomorrow. It's I I subscribe to the podcast. This guy who just interviews various celebrities and allow talked about the seventies and the laugh factory and Mitzi shore and Letterman Seinfeld and all that stuff Seinfeld did his <hes> one of those talk him when he is first appearance on Carson is a standup guy. If you've listened to it and then I went you could you can hear he described here. Robin Williams laughing 'cause he brought Robin Williams with them to the first appears. I don't know I love Shit like I just do so. As a great I would love to talk to Leno Forty five minutes. I don't Care Obama finding that funny. It doesn't matter to me interesting life in <hes> he comes back the next day. I talked to a guy who knows he's like we probably maybe get like three minutes like maybe Mike Okay. I guess that's just never ever ever going to happen so I. I know Dave Porno. Have you ever want him on by the way Oh good watch the book that up you watch Seinfeld communities are not really. I've watched a few guess reliant. It's fine yeah. The one with Leno is actually very good. I'll tell you what I hate about the community cars I watched the one with I think Jim Carey and it starts. Watch about two seconds hello and Jerry's like hey jim and he's like is it is Jerry Jerry Seinfeld. We're recording this so that part. I didn't like I I try watching him so carried out like the Jim Carey thing now is tiring to me where he's like thinks he's Andy Kaufman and that's that's you're not but it's also like that. Movie came out with fifteen years gone with the one with <hes> Letterman's pretty good. The one with Leno's good shandling is really good okay. I'm trying to think of a couple of other ones. The chapelle was good in the notion is normally enormous Great Norma's Greg Norman is good. That's funny one. Another guy loved they have on twitter is terrible norm. Oh I think I think it's on purpose I know but it still like purposely maddening is there's a golf tournament on the weekends. It's nonstop. I look you know I love. I will watch every second the British Open Yeah Can D._v._R.. A watch it but he literally is like <hes> you know. Brooks kept taps in for par at six not even that it'll just be like sometimes just like bogey. You're right. That's it you know but that is at his P nor McDonald might might be not the best you might be the funniest person who's ever been on Saturday life yeah and I think you'll probably have different answers generational but like the best talk show guest I've ever seen Oh on Letterman is the best Letterman Conan the two or three best letterman guests when letterman was great was norm yet. Martin Short in storm was always actually good on Letterman Yeah St Martins good too. I thought you know I don't know if so but here's the thing like I so I like Steve. Martin is like a corny right. It's hard to believe that he was <hes> but it's hard for me like you know when I was young old but like I have no idea who's on fucking Colbert Fallon tonight like used to be an event like Oh nor you know <hes> whoever you there's so many show my parents marriage GonNa rickles is on tonight. Show tonight right so the vent or for me. It'd be like you know whoever martyr stern when storms on Letterman that'd be all excited. They had school at forget tape on U._C._R.. Now it's just you know one of the best to watch because the best ever the best every probably the best talk show host ever <hes>. You Know Montrose always funny but I'm sure there are those people now will now no now. It's more like what we were stern where it's like you have to get an a lister and like with found. They haven't played ping pong but nobody talks about the interviews anymore. It's all about this game aimed on Youtube Justin timberlake and Jimmy Fallon dress up like the Beatles Heart Barry Oak yeah the Paul McCartney goes on that Coordin- Karaoke thing right which is which by fifty million people watched it so I don't. I don't understand just singing. Not It's lip synching thinking. It's not even Karaoke which I don't get it I don't she watched the McCartney Coordin- thing it was actually really well as gone you know so I like I'm a huge McCartney fan like huge Beatles fan but like you got in the car with them and they sang and then they went to a little bar Riccardi started and they had they kept the curtain down and they had somebody going put a quarter in the jukebox now of course James Corden is the bartender so I don't think it's that in the thing with up was McCartney. It was cool. It was well done but I don't think I think those people like. I don't think Coordi- funny I don't think well it's funny. I really hate is like the girl that came up with Carpool Carpool Karaoke if you ever looked like twitter by the writer of Carpenter and say what are you right. I don't adulation what is going on with these talk shows. What's the Dan? Why is it not? Why aren't they funny money? When I grow up it was Carson and it'd be great panel these hits? You'll eat skits. These people are stand up and down on these shows but when I was younger was hey this guy's on letterman this guy's on Carson. It's I liked anymore now. It's just you're on whatever whatever it doesn't really matter never show to like. They'll do fallon Kimmel and Kobe. Who is the Steve Martin today? Were who's that guy. I don't know that there is one of the comedian that's a great question death row little just a comedian ju just as using massive so martin in like say late Kevin Hart. I guess I got massive star. That's actually active doing interviews like Martin. Martin Martin was like you know huge movie star in great comedian like Kevin Kevin Hart is he great comedian median sales at arenas my wise that now my thing I think he's great. I Love Kevin how he's funny to these great for my favorite Comedians are Kevin Hart Richard Pryor and my friend Bill Cosby. I mean those guys are all great. Well I agree with you on Cosby fucking defensive Cosby for Mike during the break we get it. Mike guys getting railroad let demand of his life. He's in jail right now right. No I don't always not he is look at opposite house. Arrest wake up this morning in prison. Obviously I can't remember if he's obviously should be there weird to think that it's you know blabbing. He's imprison. We played that sound a couple years ago. We can look look it up of the episode where Cosby on the Cosby show where he and he pitches idea the writers Little Huggy Book Yeah the Barbecue saw like knocks the women out and they get some a horny and they have sex with them. You know what happens when people drink e- especially out barbecue sauce keeps call. It's so fucked up. We play those like Oh my God maybe the greatest thing ever is Kazu's walking out of the courtroom and yelled. Hey Hey hey fat Albert. That's just a guy that has stopped giving a fuck. I guess he's almost everybody always says like rock and Seinfeld that he was huge influence. I never found him funny. He's a comedian ever. A lot of people say it's pretty mixed with him yeah. I I never thought he was very clean so it might just be that side for Seinfeld but the Seinfeld you think Seinfeld's a great comedian. I don't love his. I mean I'm obsessed with Seinfeld. The show me as a comic not he's not no I got an email for somebody saying I could go see him. In <hes> Mohegan yeah in a couple of house like that attorney had tickets offer tomato tickets offering mike okay because it gets hit some meet him. I was gonNA open for K.. G. Greg. I'm saying I agree I. I was like Tom Comedy World. Wow Wow I'm just saying seinfeld jokes. You've heard a million. It's all the same shit that he is it. Thirty years ago isn't is not new. Some of it is but not not a lot okay anyway. So what are we going to get to before oh so. I don't want to do any of the lawyer stuff today because I don't know if we can get him on right. I mean so much sure that makes any sense yeah. Do you want to do the Boston said against bigger picture stuff. I was fascinated by this yesterday this appearance by Shirley by young yes so backstory best I can surely young <hes> <hes> was the opinion editor for the Boston Globe in a columnist and <hes> of Asian American descent I believe and was took umbrage with Christian four as impression of Don yee that led to this whole shit storm at he I also hates me hates Jerry <hes> she worked in conjunction with Bob Murchison which she could turn me on the phone <hes> to you get information from him and then she began contacting advertisers as calmest for the globe. No no not that content merely <hes> you know right. Get them so the renter so and of course I've asked to come on the show on the pockets five million times. You'll never do that about forty five minute phone conversation with her in the middle of this. I don't know a year ago and <hes> and you know she he said I brought down Kevin Collins so she wants to bring me down. So okay that respects I respect that but I appreciate you be awesome about all the time I try and be Islamist as I can so <hes> Jerry's gone now so she won she got rid of us both <hes> and she was on with a local Boston public radio show with <hes> Jim Brady and Marjorie Egan who to liberals <hes> who are you know like minded with her and like her and don't like us. I guess the gym browbeat always text me how much like the show while he's driving this card. I think he could tell you get that viable. Oh he says in India you could tell his interactions with me in the past these you know a fan of mine. I wish he'd been done a little tougher like ask follow up question shows not too because I mean they're journalists to like. She merger Egan's. You know I'll never Jim. Brady did is more than you would get almost anywhere else. WHO's more of a statement on me by Jim? Brady knows I'm listening yeah but he knows it's GonNa get large Regan's writer for the Herald neglects never read anything anybody's ever read in their fucking life but that's okay and she's on some show where they you know it was funny you hear their reaction to the ratings of my old show and they were down there like Oh my God. Those ratings are great fit. There's a number that high keep in mind. This station that they're on is paid by the taxpayers. That's you are Mike. You're paying for the not you but blue pay taxes. Are you also paying for you by the way as well so I'm paying everybody well tax payers well for your disability. The tax payers are paying for this fucking shit show to sit here in kiss the ass of somebody who is wretched shit evil who wants a ruin people's lives it can combine with another record evil person and smiles allow when Liz giggles about it so she's this drove me fucking crazy and yet jerry last night was all debt was fired up by suspected I'm glad did did. I text you before the dinner. I was hoping Jerry's take great share. You can go outside your yell at the Fucking Sky One's GonNa ridiculous so she went on there with them. Yesterday we right from the top right from the start of your life. Sure sure we're talking to show though there is also the other part of it which was the highlight of the dinner was relating this to Mike Mutnansky about and hurted yet basic content of the converse that was not playing. I really hate if that park up a plane this this was worth watching his reaction was put his head down and he was just Dannatt. We're talking to show the young from the Boston Globe so martyrs former colleague at the Boston Herald Gerry Callahan L. Hand who was has been a morning show co host on wwl sports stations some writing columns margarine got off contract question of nosy people because he's like interacted that be you are. Oh Yeah No. I haven't Shirley a little bit. You sure marginal now. I don't know I have no idea margie's whatever I have no use. He's I tried to get rowdy on your podcast and you trade traded attacks happened. I like Jim Yeah. She's a big Fan. Marjorie sounds almost like sedated like writing the Lucia talking about Jesus your mother and her dying Yes yes. I remember that two very good yeah the periodicals this week or yeah. I'll get the T._v.. Guide at the supermarket anymore. Let them talk I haven't had to be. I think I've said on the I used to listen the on my way in the morning Kirkman Eoghan. was there in love Moghadam. The Guy was really down on his real quick. I love the way that like anytime. My name gets mentioned. They're always has to be the preface rushing. You know like the guy listened. Jim says listen every morning I would get. Texts like live like that was great. Why did you ask that why did you which I I appreciate? It did that with him kind but like the idea is to make look. It's almost like what you're saying earlier. Would you text him during his show. No I'd be like yeah you're right thanks. I'm GonNa Make Fun of I saw he tweet something out or a story that came out of break. Go easy on the joke but like it's almost like we're talking to causing before like you know if you said you like the cosby show you almost have to be like you know. I didn't know what he was like during it but I really like the show like like that awful. I liked Kirkman Shirley. Here's a knife cut my head because you know surely surely seething what Smut that poison go ahead I have to be I used to listen to my waist Kirkman. was there in love Meriem lease family radio. He got fired or left or whatever I'm surprised after he didn't say that you didn't hear like us took a gun Ge- Blues Brand they get off the stool. It's not tying go ahead. He got fired or left or whatever you WANNA call now and now he's on Barstools sports which is another controversial place and. <hes> when you were not their favorite person because you're essentially she's laughing. She's I hate her fucking that guts. That's something I would say. They like like Kirkman. You've not Kirkman person like Oh God enough. You know what I mean like cheese. She's the lengths in Winston which this woman did the bring down the station. She succeeded <hes> in the way she would lie about it and high behind and by the way so cover up her own newspapers indiscretions forget to second many many indiscretions is appalling porn and people say why you hate John Henry so much lend the position so much because that asshole Henry owns as paper and allow it to happen in his wife in the marketing giveaway true who loved love is true love that part. I totally understand sexual wrench. It's like the princess bride like they. They belong together. I've sexual yeah. They just yeah he doesn't even you know he doesn't need get wrong. He's he's he's. He's a horse. He goes all day. I understand that he's the anti we should get a picture of. I'm today of John. Henry's face Linda licking their ice cream and play police academy saying the John Henry is that doesn't he he's all man it takes Roman so my hours and hours and hours to come the guy's a fucking animal in this probably like Oh my God I please stop please too much too much. He takes get Roman. You know what he takes Roman to come quicker yeah. That's what he does the Antidote yes. It's like those Chuck Norris things that are always funny. Oh I always laugh at this. I I mean how funny is that. It's great. It's great good. Stop fucked with Jerry. Kelly Kirk million sales people it Kirkwood mclagan even in front of trade. It's so funny. That's how that's how Lou Merloni should talk about you where it's like you. Maybe a shit autumn but it's like you're fine with each other evil person. Yes tried to ruin your life. Yes yes you're right. Thank you Mike I got you buddy station because some racism there you talk to advertisers win. I I started listening again. <hes> last a couple of days after Callahan was let go to see what the reaction was. I WanNa talk about that in a second but but both there briefly and online on social media you are named a lot as how do you re. I mean named a lot meaning. It's because of <hes> Sam Kennedy who I happened to think the world of prison sentence duplicity some some people argue I think <hes> Minihan may have argued that himself because Shirley lungs activism. It's because of the listener who has a transgender son who led a campaign against them what Oh God <hes> well first of all. I think it's what's loss at all of this. It's the ratings stupid I mean right before. Callahan was <hes>. We'll keep playing go before they the day before four. They said they were not renewing his contract. There were story saying that <hes> the show <hes> was what is it called Callahan and Mutt or the morning show modern Kelly. Was this place do you I think they and two springs ago that show the morning show with Kurkin with Kirk and with Jerry number one. Do you think if that show was number one they would've <hes> let Jerry clause. We'll say first about good point by Shirley and those ratings are accurate but I'm GonNa say we were number one when I got out of there so I think they were pretty comfortable not caring about the ratings whether we were first eighth twelve twenty six now the ratings are that's right. The ratings are right in Jerry. Listen to this people just drove away when Jerry was on the air without me like people. Just listen to this guy anymore but fuck you but kidding but it didn't matter I would say this if they were number. One in this book or there are a number twenty one murchison Jason. I think struck a deal with entercom Jerry was done. The show is number one when I left the night didn't just leave voluntarily. They forced me out so the bring that up like the idea that even say whether he left to five I mean I didn't WanNa go to radio DOT COM that hellhole voluntarily choose to go there. They're basically like you know we hear the twelve rules you have to abide by to stay on the radio which I should read that email at some point it's great or or or you know go to radio DOT COM that final go there her but we were number one in the book before I left number one so ratings are immaterial. They were bleeding money because of murchison who fed information to Shirley who then also contacted advertisers so this is. This is the woman answering in this question who knows the answer to that question if a show is if Jerry Bob Murchison didn't exist in I decided to leave to go to Barstool in mutton Jerry to the show the finished fifth or sixth and Jerry took a pay cut or whatever this time around. He's got enough clients like him. They would have made some money off. He wasn't going to go anywhere that wasn't going to happen. That's all because emerges and go back to these three shitheads number one. Do you think if that show was number one. They would've <hes> let Jerry I think the critical no how fun show showing does know anything about radio. Why would she even know that she's done research? She's talked. Nobody doctor Chad Fin. She's a talk to anybody nothing so just she goes out there and just make shit up and prouty you know who's a liberal pinhead puke fuck nut his sitting there going along with the to fuck look asshole and all of a sudden. It's about the rating stupid and it's like what what what was it about when Kirk fired. Why is that number number one? How does say that because they don't they don't they don't WanNa fight that show you listen to the tone of that? Show yeah well. It's it does not N._p._R.. It's by the government we we just so you just so case you're from other markets and I know a bunch of other people in other markets may not know the inside part of this story. It's so much the story itself. It's a bigger picture it you drive you fucking crazy to know there's a station like that. Talk to people I saw people yesterday from Cincinnati Tweet me Pennsylvania Florida or find fifty states in the countries around the world. Just know that you're fucking dollars are going to this bullshit like your fucking working getting up in the morning me I work almost two hours a day right so I worked A._P.'s two hours a day and I gotTa go pay taxes for these idiots to sit here and just you know spread their propaganda and bullshit to each other and have surely go behind backs. Caughlin talked on the phone. She's talking about contacting this and that in the N. Double A._C._p.. In the L._G._B._T._Q. TCM in the all this bullshit over fucking did you ever did you ever hear that. We won't play today but you ever hear that clip that that she was reporting that she was going to send out where Jerry now we're racist. I don't know I don't think it's so dumb. It's it will play something. That's incredible. It's obviously sorry and she's he's just but she's a lunatic. <hes> she's fucking lunatic who rose at that paper to a point where she was the opinion editor of the Boston Globe. She directed the opinion of that newspaper. 'cause that idiot that fucking idiot John Henry Thought Oh you know it's a good idea. I think I'm going to do that this fucking dummy. Why some I was a billionaire I duNno? I hope it doesn't affect yards next ring. If there had such when me I mean I wrote a few handful of column I think was a confluence influence of events Douche word the biggest. All I did was highlight and remind people of the behavior of the station ally Mitchell fucking. Oh we have good tape says that she she's just fucking lying yeah. She wrote these columns she knew would happen. She knew at target she knew would bring people down. She wanted to do it. She succeeded. Just say that if you say that I've said this about Murchison but he had he had a goal. He's done it i. I don't respect him him but I understand that he's a guy who to do something. Any did it. Whereas surely is just like yeah is a confluence even do anything a handful of columns just highlighting you know the day I left the next day? She wrote this thing in the globe that just told me apart call me racist I with no proof no proof of course sex with no proof homophobic with no proof and all it she could do that. Nobody cares. I'll say it. I'll say she's racist homophobic. They agree. She's she's. She's a razor. You know she's racist. She I think each by uses terrible racist language all the time yes. I've been wrote roof but I think she does. She could tell just by your voice. You probably probably hates lesbians. I can just tell she fucking hates. Let's voice hates minorities. Do you know other than Asian people as as you in writing as you might do I've any proof of that. No but who cares shit fuck good all I did was highlight remind of the behavior of the station and questioning raising the question. Why are advertisers still support to somebody's advertisers okay? I just want to be clear about this. I spoke some advertisers. That was not what happened. What happened was why are you doing this? Do you think makes sense to do this. Why are you doing Innis? Do you think you should be doing this so let me just ask you a question if you're an advertiser and serve from the Boston Globe and you're dumb enough to think that the Boston Globe still matters right you some fifty four year old guy in the globe calls you asking that. What is your reaction to be? Probably I don't want to deal with this. How can go away or at least say? Do you think this person's just just throwing a question you know. She doesn't care what the answer is like. You know just skip on just a couple of costs they it was a takedown for beginning to end and by the way successful successful one so she take victory lap as opposed to just saying I was just merely highlighting okay. I'll merely highlight the globes long history of sexual harassment if you'd like to do that you know back years ago they have these drafts the Boston Globe where the writers would draft college girls do draft you know Brian mcgrory who runs the goal right now is part of that part of that draft and they would find these girls in college girls and fuck him. You know who work there and then Jim O'Sullivan who worked at the globe sexually harassed women a colleague Aliyev Shirley's and nobody said anything about it. The gold knew about it buried it until I said the guy's name and then they fired him but after that Shirley probably wrote a piece of battery Oh it was terrible Brian mcgary only history with Hillary sergeant where he sexually harassed her astro you know she wrote their so you know what happened. The where's he now runs the globe. Oh that's weird. I don't know I mean I love this explanation to where it's like. I'm GonNa try that where I'm just going to go out and bang a few girls and when my girlfriend asked me about I'm going to say I didn't treat I didn't she it was merely exploring my option sexually and I found a few viable partners that that's not cheating. I don't get where you're getting that. Were on the idea that you know a nine hundred twenty year old from northeastern might not want to sleep with a forty six year old guy but just does it. You know that that's a possible that yeah they were really attracted to you know these hideously ugly forty six year old guys from the globe. That's not forcing yourself. No that's merely investigating someone's interest. You're you know the position of power relations. I don't think no god no and that's a good thanks Brian. Grazer moved up at all like he's. He's running the globe any well. That's good. He's not no no it was an editor of the Boston Globe and Coca. Thank God it's put those real love like I don't know when like a thirty year old woman Mary's a seven year old guy who owns a newspaper baseball team. It's real love gets real love or you know I don't know when you say that you should always believed the victims fine. That's perfectly legitimate claim in the globe and then show along the opinion editor hires <hes> who to write opinion piece. Oh Alan Dershowitz who represents Jeffrey Cassini has been accused by Virginia Robertson others of raping them now. Mr Dershowitz denies that he's come on my podcast before Dave. I'm if you're aware of that and I'm not and that's fine but he's ever defended. Anyone else's probably guilty. Oh I can't think of anything Jeffrey Epstein and then I'm not GonNa wait until I talked to Malcolm. I'm okay. I'm sorry how lame was that. Did you hear when K._F._C. in crops are doing their O._J.'s innocent. That's something you say and not those guys don't need it. I think K._F._C. actually isn't interesting guy. That's something I have a buddy who the only interesting thing about him is that he thinks oh Jason Nine elevens a government stupid shit and you're like you know I I don't know I wanna get dug into because now this this Kim Goldman podcast I love there's an episode fascinating episode yesterday. No OCTA two jurors. She interviewed the Guy who sired the preview awesome. It's a great interview. The podcast is the best we should get her onto by the way I'm she would probably do it. I would think WHOA watching colleen right down Kim Goldman master world a master Goldman Norm MacDonald reuss old merchant things take time back back to my Shirley. I'd have on anytime good supporting this station when you when you read <hes> some <hes> what <hes> what both of them have done in the past in terms of sexist racist arched all fucking idiot star. Is You WANNA say Erin Andrews was sexist fine. I'm not even sure it isn't but if I think I'm attacking a woman and she weighed more should be awaited fine yeah. I totally fine so I've got there. You go one example. I'm I've got you a thousand percent. I was suspended for. I paid a pretty big price. I apologized for it. I've fallen on the sort of thing more than anybody's ever. The sort for anything apologized for that far more than Shirley has the discussions that our paper this isn't a Pitcher is editor at the Boston Globe Ryan. Mark Wads his name. He writes there right now. <hes> he was arrested for pulling his dick out in jerking off in from the to college girls <hes> what twelve fourteen years ago Yes yes. I believe he was arrested for the remember yet. I remember Pantheon. masturbating in front of girls didn't WanNa see it's okay now. I know you have a problem with. We add so weird for oh you. That's stuck doesn't sound like such a crossroads gun. Surely on your side but you know she reached she come out. Of course I've heard behind the scenes. She fought like crazy to try and knock down the reputation of some of these women to by the way a real. Yes that's interesting. I have heard that I believe me too. I I looked my thing. Is I believe the victims and this stuff like this because I don't think generally like I did what that lunatic like for example in Chile never brings up stuff like this of course she wouldn't but you know the Suo Komo's of the world or the idiot who made fun of the trump in the other day. I'm happy to talk to those people. No one else does that. No you're right. It doesn't doing it to prove you're not a race share something now now I would say to them and I'd say that fucking idiot Willie Cologne and these other people I'm also I've done this forever. Bring me the racist examples lineup. If you've got him bring him on. She can't think of a single I would come out with her and say that and she would do what they all but what the people queue that always I do not about it's about the tone tenor in Adam Jones and asking spire right. I got death threats on twitter. All that bullshit where you know Jerry said something part of something stupid fifteen years ago again he apologized for it. You got suspended for two weeks. What what what are you supposed to do? I don't know you gotta get under the covers dish chauncey caller ts one time like a sack of I forget what it was like. Did she want him suspended. I I don't know rump Borcelino for the globe cult Irabu. Oh when that like what you know I don't know so I would say up on my half of my record up next to Shirley's all day long all day long and as I said I tweeted the Chad fin the other day you pick the place public form Shirley's there. I'm there Chad works for the globe can be the moderator and you can ask anything. He wants anything he wants to me and to her. I'll do it. I'll pay a pay to be part of that A.. B. Apple happy. That'd be happy to donate whatever amount of money to any foundation. She wants to that right of course not but I'm saying it right now. It's out there. Go for God. Let me hear more of this comments. <hes> it's unbelievable. They were still there so all I do was just raise. The question and I got many columns fund so I can't fucking with. Yes what you did reach out to advertisers. I Jim good job. <hes> Jim News I was going to barbecue is fucking ball so get ready for this answer. This is this. Is You know <hes> Baryshnikov esque is watching her just dance around as opposed to just saying you know what did I hate Kirk. I Hate Jerry not even to the hate me but you don't they get when they do that. which never gets attention like nobody's GONNA be reads? Any ever stupid calms other than the ones about me. You're never so go ahead and so I can't speak for the activists reach out to advertisers I did. I didn't tell them to boycott. All I did was raised the question. Do you know that this this happened on the station. That's fucking. It's fucking unbelievable it. They just sit there like she's. That's the same thing and the best part she no. Of course he knows that all right good and if you do know why do you keep supporting that's all I wonder if V that bad I mean I don't Ksfo Minihan was there. They were actually beating sports hub with toucher and rich a lot of I mean I hate to say because I almost never criticized other people on the radio but I'll say this yesterday. Oh yes we do. Oh yes we do I can. I just say I call them. What I call earlier fuck? I forget I liked. I'm Jim Bratty Guy He. At least I mean Marjorie against pathetic. She's the journalist she sounds she does. It sounds like you know like uncle junior last season Sopranos. She's wandering around their teeth out not like what what are you doing morning. Ladies and surely I mean what's left to say really like you know. It's it is unbelievable and of course they take no phone calls. Nobody you know there's nobody is no voice of objection in there no Jim. Jim Poked a little bit but like there's nobody there asking questions he does best as best could way to go by who wants like you know full transparency in the media and it's all about the media keep the media live. They don't want to answer any questions. It's not US sexual perversion and that's that's fine. That's the way they do it but let's see let's you know I'm kind of in the mood so makes me laugh although other people on the radio but I'll say this is mildly as possible the guy they they replace Minihan with is just not a big market how this seem holy unnecessary not for me. My poor guy this was not I was thinking article has heard this was please. Please tell me that seem thinner. He's not heard this please. I just wanted to tell him because he's like it was worked out perfectly. It's not keep going going going the guy they they replacement Eoghan with is just not a big marcus this keep in mind. This is the show that bashes no not a person on the planet that they go by the way keep in mind also like I love my obviously I love him. I think we're the United Great Radio Together. Jim Brady has never sniffed the ratings. Much Scott may not even did not a way that later. They're astonished astonished at it. I don't know if we have fifth. Oh my God role astonished but we have on so the old show is basically it was me jerry whenever rotating third person and we rotate the four or five people in my favorite was always much like mutton have been friends for the first person who did radio with more than Tanguay. What was your because I love him because he's my because he was always good like ten booby up and down? True Gary is doing well. Actually I'm happy to say so but I love love love and love. We've had her ups and downs. He took my job not purposely purpose. He took over for my show this attention but I've loved him. He's like my little brother. I love him but when we did the show always we would do ratings breakdown of who got the highest lowest ratings within the casting couch. We call it every time they'll fail. Mutt we have the lowest yeah it was. It was a fluke like nobody knew which he was younger yawn but some always worked out that way and it was we get the texts from Curtis our producer with the numbers in I._B.. So excited for the next day because we make sure we brought them in and would read them. Depress him all all weekend so I knew when I walked in there yesterday these like that was waiting because Jerry was late. I was waiting for Mutt to bring up because we were tweeting about it. He's like what's what's going on yeah. I can't believe this <hes> brow these stories like I mean the Shirley things unbelievable. I was like yeah and I was like Oh. They kicked the shit out of you always at brutal fucking look down at his Kentucky Mule. It was unbelievable. The guy the they replacement Eoghan with is just not start the guy. He's like get someone else. That's the big mystery the great mysteries in history who who kidnap Bloomberg's who killed J._F._k.. And why why would they give loser this prime piece of radio. I know he's like I know it's the it's the great question history when I heard this. I forgot Shirley. Lee spoke. We'll just take go ahead but that's the guy he's like. Get someone else. I think that's the big mystery I mean. The reality is always been for twenty really strong personalities John Dennis T._V. Sports reporter and Callahan end starting the thing and then there was a hand who really is I mean his brilliant radio. He really is has a talent and they replace them with a guy who everybody tells me there met him is a very decent guy. WHO's just emmys not talented the again on N._p._R.? A midday show is no but that's like stronger than hate for trump the greatest margin. He doesn't know Shit even she she was alive for the first time you're right we all on this Shirley. Everybody can all agree on both sides of the. I'll say you know what now that all kidding aside. That was an abysmal disasters in history challenger explosion new coq all these things. If I hear that lasts thirty seconds decent guy who's that's the other brow. That's the other preface with Mutt is like the preface with me when I said earlier but he's a great is a wonderful guy nice man. He's the emmys been great you right yeah. I gotta put on the radio. I would love to have come in here once in a while. I love because he's but you have to be able to understand what he does like. I used to work with him. In on the air. It's true on the airy kind of has this very we are here at the red thirteen studio right and there's a lot of that and he who he is but off the air he was different. I thought maybe I can twist some of that and bringing it took awhile but we got him there but then he got you gotta give him credit for that. That's completely outside of his come after but I guess but you know he got put such unwinnable situation share like totally unwinnable and like you know he did ever need could and he's not you know different situation that showed have been fine and lasted for at least a couple years sure yeah yeah yes. Yes that wasn't there. Issue wasn't the quality disastrous show it was it was was was fall. It had the misfortune of following a great show yes as Zimbabwe's brilliant much. We'll let me hear one more time I might again. I don't really remember what he's saying. They've taken away back up a little. It replaced them with a guy who everybody tells me. Madam is a very decent guy. Who's just he's not talented? I I also what's interesting about hold on surely jumps and I love that you can tell gyms thinking. How do I swear this poor bastard? I just have no other way to raise it. You just simply not public areas. The Guy fucking sucks right Shirley my wrong like because if you were left with this fucking guy fucking Shirley dump button sums up easily yeah you're right like oh my go- when you write your phone calls for the first time ever. I guess we have to take these phone number. I love him. I I love him. I love him. I love him. It was so great to see his face. When I mentioned that these head dammit but think consider for a second month like this guy who got putting this unwinnable situation he got a prime time he was midday host for about four or five years? Loom Loney didn't work out now. Just wasn't a good show. <hes> went to Knight's got better on with us was great as part of a number one show all the time filled in frost was great was much much better than got put it got his big chance finally and it was awful situation with a Jerry who is still upset was mad at me was murchison was mad. The station you know didn't really know Mutt very well really off the so it's just this weird power Mutt had to jump in it was just I actually feel bad for him but we were running over the winners and losers the whole saga last night at dinner. The four of US Mutt away wins. He got new contract. He gets more money. He's doing nights. He's doing red sox. He's GonNa work like he's not gonNa work between now and October. That's bad yeah. It's a pet though and it's not you know it's e. I Like I've said about not before we have some sound of him. I guess we're going to do this but he's the kind of guy like if he didn't have a wife and kids right now would be much better off taking a job job in the different market fucking away from this shit or the other question. We got a big razor. No being morning show. He got you got to raise. Not that big race you got to raise got is I called as I said this deal was called the minivan monthly. He got paid the European a month so but the other question we asked last night was sort of the recurring theme of the I asked the curtis the two were were their first Mukim a few minutes later than Jerry. The real question is did entercom no from the jump the minute I left and it wasn't GonNa Jerry's contract was up in the summer. We're just GONNA plug in this. Pretend show in just play along until Jerry's contract is up because we're never going to ever beat Murchison ever not even a doubt and they didn't know they didn't watch both both of you and then have to bring in a whole new right so right away. We are hill man stuff in February right yeah so I mean do they. Just say you know what we'll put mountaineer and then we'll come back at nights when when when Jerry is gone ms contracts up yeah so the whole thing was ruled the whole time he is auto cockroach that guy he survived a lot of nuclear disaster not very talented survivor yes but he's just not. I don't know I I think bigger question for him would have been like if you left on your own. Let's just say your contract contract expired. Whatever would he have been successful at that point? 'cause you chose to leave you chose. I just don't think the show was as good though like I just think it just wasn't for anyone follow such negatively around after they strategist who left with have been less smaller would've been a percent but it's like we talked with Corolla following Howard stern where it's like girl. There's a fine show but it just wasn't Howard Stern Jerry. We're not David Lee Roth yeah it was right. It was more curl and I think I think now people are going to be even in a way angrier when Jerry's because now the whole thing is gone. Chris Cairns going to be a significant a wage their show or different well. They're showing I left wasn't as good because I wasn't there but it maintained a lot of the element. It tried to anyway now so abusive you like the old show. A lot of people were like well all right. It's not the same but I can listen to it now. They're going to hear Hillman you know having Ernie bug or whatever it's <hes> the the made the whole point the whole thing is it's not that talented I agree. Can Jim Agrees. I surprised at various politicians around the city very democrats Republicans gays straight. Oh everyone got together. I thought it was a nice moment I mean can I point out also that we had a woman who you despise who tried to ruin your life and we did a few minutes on it and we've done at least double the time what's more fun. Isn't it really surely called me and we should on well. She's about he. Does she should on here or no. I no. I just got me here guy. Who's just means not crooked? What do you think like if he's on here? What is Jim when he says not that? What are the words in is headed he's looking for? It's just a fucking nothing doc okay because instead of talented. He definitely had things he wanted to say that that's by the way that's when you know somebody talks like that because people that's what he knows. Somebody loved the old show love the old show good talented. I it also what's in the other thing is you could tell you about the something more there before surely wasn't dying and the drums. What am I saying can't say am though like he was not he wasn't he wasn't listen? He's is not talented. I I think about <hes> what's happening at W.. IAE is who they've already Greg Hill by the way is fabulous. I mean he's not sports all my station and but he does do a lot but let me to say if you remember say for second sucks busy suck rock and roll I think fifty year old guy than rock and roll what does that with Ryan John Cougar Mellencamp Rock and roll even no-one AF is rock and roll. I still love the Jim Brady obviously had his an hour of material. You seen this shit folks. Oh Tom God he's fucking terrible. Meanwhile like even if you don't like him that bad like this much worse spire that much hate it quite the opposite like I it's funny good was rescued and I would argue started its couple of decades of wild success with the guy who is not a software but but but truly all excited because a woman is taking over the morning. Can you believe it now. There's never been a woman on that morning. Show Oh we've never have a woman. No it's not a person who's amish the Marjorie every week and try and it's like why didn't they think to mention that we again like I don't you know it's I hate what I find. It's almost like re like sexist when people are like Oh. They're having a woman on. It's so no we'll have somebody good yeah. Someone who's qualified fight Josu God forbid dethrone sue back on your she's great find other women. They're great doing that some sort of a token program absolutely of course I am that's all. Did you see that picture sue tweedle yesterday. No did you see that of her in nineteen seventy seventy three that picture for going where I promise I think it was revealed something it's a great. She looked younger but it's just better now. I think really yes so interesting. It's Hilarious to never ends people should be more of that is at face APP thing where people are all. Oh we should do it. Kirk offer social media I retweeted. Did it even realized it was a thing a couple of nights ago. It's funny. I guess there was a brief second where I heard every show talking about it and thought you'd I mentioned this to the absolute. It's funny for like it's okay. That's funny like I don't know. Barstools seem very into it. Vital picture was he was funny picture. It looks like he's old. Get it. You know right. It looks like him. It was twenty thirty Barstool on Monday. People were there was a line when I walked in. I was like what does this about and they were all just like fucking Mutt. I hate him like it was it was a random people is on the other yeah which is like really. You're in the building. What's his daily mytalk like Willie? Cologne broke that one point which premiers listen I know but like mutt sucks really. I know we're we'll. We'll we'll get past buddy. You see trump tweeting about this and people were the he usually get shit on for his tweet with both sides. Everyone agreed Anderson Cooper was like plus one. I'd like to like just startling hugging kissing and it was like it was unbelievable credible. I was just talking to John Henry last night. I dare John Linda Much Jesus. We're laughing. Why did we get you? Why would you fucked up? Do I just love your. I love this very like P._B._S.. Very lay back atmosphere brody in Marjorie ensure come to light years time. They woke up in twenty years to be right. This poor hassle the nicest. This is personal the guy I mean you know five. He's Deidra people's lives on the road but he's a great guy. That's my favorite thing is just beating up on the nicest people that don't what's the old office thing but what does face the H._R.. Guy Toby Toby the same thing Eh matzen honestly the nicest guy in the plan medium talent with a wonderful guy who by the way you know what I'm I'm. Nobody's GonNa make you can defend what's worse for you having defend the O._J.'s the Weinstein's trying to defend oh I mean it's not yeah I wouldn't offend defend the other guy yes I would get too much shit publicly defend Louis C. K. O I want to go out there and defend mud. I'd be crucified. I mean the O._J.. Lawyer even you know. We talked if I could talk him today. I think we'll start start right. There will be listening to defend mother. He's No God I know. I can't say these things like that. The brody voices great though he sounds solely evening hiding anger people like these bottling thanks because he thought before a few months ago said he's not ready for prime time. I didn't interview with him a few months ago on T._V.. Show off the air. He was like what the fuck you really was too. Now's the that's what he's talking about because he's not talking about. House is a great guy. He's a great so when he says the people telling a great guy that's meat yeah Mike. He's a aussies. He's smarter than that back to your conversation with screwed from day. One Jim Brady is obsessed with the media insight you love. There's no see shitting on mud for some reason he knows the deal. I wonder if you put like a real like not that much not great but if you put a if you put like a real generational guy in right after that even work with you name the guy. I'm just saying whoever I'm just thanks Howard Stern from nineteen ninety six POPs in that kind of personality if Kirk two point Oh walks in it's still would have been negative because the rack same just mad at how it ended and the show in the show wasn't as good as it wouldn't have been as good of Jerry left or different level but the same thing like that's that's what I think the show not being as good as like really down on the totem pole there. I agree now. Do you think like there are people obviously in this world that would say like hey you know for all Hitler's flaws. He did a great job. Do you think there'd be people that say that about now. I can't think of the highways Nice Guy Nice mutt running Olympics. I mean let's see much tax plan now. Let me as much worse than Hitler. I mean yeah there was much better than the radio much better Jim Brown. I mean yes okay. Hitler definitely is the worst person ever. He killed awful but again like was z like radio inspiring split he was a good speaker was artist like Matz Matz Matz. I don't think so I mean I by the way we agree on that everybody. It seems from Kirkman a hand Shirley. Everyone can come together on Orange shitting on today. It's like the old high post meets post mates posted foul. Can I get the actual reflex is jammed up you I just want. I just want to get it right. Yes Code Code K._M.. Thank you thank thank you do for one hundred dollars. That's Helluva do show that might try when you need it. Whether it's red wine at four Sushi at nine I do not like Sushi by the way by Mica Sushi again no not really know. What do you eating now? Let's put some of that weight back. Do you think no. I don't take it easy thick legs though I always have catchers this wasted opportunity. You'll be my catcher anytime. Oh what do reading now what's the Diet. I'm not really on when I did. I did eat kind of whatever I wanted for. 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That's Code Cam for one hundred dollars a free delivery every credit for your first seven days and you download the post meets APP anything you need anytime you need post made it download post mates and save with Code K M. I <hes> so we're taping this interview this lawyer. We hope we hope so any confidence is going to happen. I'd give it a sixty percent chance at happens. That's about right. Let's say it's ten o'clock ten o'clock all right so I'm GonNa do Mike you off to participate in this. Unless you want to up to you can we can we. It's up to you my yesterday. You didn't care for my participation the patient so I can. I come back out if you want whatever you want here at ten o'clock. You're at ten o'clock from a technical perspective. The option is available to you. Just oh interesting interesting. I don't know if it would have been in the past. It's available today. I want more or about this trump guy. Italy you raped somebody is Steve is Steve is disappeared which is fine. What does he back and twenty seven three some point? The question shouldn't be one izzy back. It's what what does the informal unfortunately we ask a question really sad sad in. You'RE GONNA you're gonNA have a hard time leaving the show disappear if you're in the middle of year in the middle of it you love it all in he's to walk. Irrelevant life is going. It'd be tough but I'll move on quickly responding on twitter. I'm GONNA fade away. What are the odds of him not becoming one of these guys who just like ways and everyone's no way no way all going on win on pizza needs with large and Willie? That's what I'm doing show here at Thirteenth Studios Red Thirteen Studios DOT COM <hes> everybody has been here. Tom Brady under armor me. We've done all these things. The only person turned down his MUTT wanted to delic. We can't yeah put we can't put our name on it. Legally we just can't we can't risk it. It's like having you know. It's it's. It's like when Louis C. K. trying to play these these arenas sometimes you just gotTa say no. I mean it's a business at the end of the day and read thirteen studios allows everybody but Mike Nancy tagline to come in and do their stuff. Everyone you know what percentage of people who the fuck are they talking about. It doesn't even they know everyone else knows who can't listen even heard which is one of the things you you're born. It's gotten around yes. It's it doesn't matter the planets notice other lifeforms red thirteen studios dot com is great. We love it here Framingham. They're expanding again. I don't know if you want to G._O.. podcast I think they do a lot of that right. They do yeah the coups in the last night or what's they live reversal over there right music video the Mike was moved around this morning doing other stuff yes which by the way this is a music studio. I think there should be a song recorded here for the show. Okay okay. This is an idea ironically by the way Dave I recommended you last night to to Mutt for the producer of the Monday night show why would you would you want that I don't and now he's a great guy. Why not I like today's been? He's heard about this problem as you get attached to somebody like that. It's kind of like you can't really you'll never never clean the stink off these war criminals and move away after that but getting caught like sixty seventy years arrested they produce Monday night go to jail years all right red thirteen studios dot com is the is the address to find all the information want. We love it here. Do we have any update by the way on the construction. We have no update on the computer. No update you predicted did what end of August or something with no no. He said it'd be long Steve said no you own a home. No I do okay. Have you done in construction and nope just 'cause medication. You will learn that you know when that happens. It is never ever whatever date they give. You even like laughing when they give it to you so I believe when I got here. They said two weeks they <hes> we got we got here. They said okay so my two weeks would be tomorrow mine was I think I said Columbus Day. Okay does that sort of thing Columbus Day or can we say that or no. What was that a very racist views? I don't mean Columbus Day the day that happened that that we get off right. Yes much birthday eliminated for the county red thirteen studios dot com. I'm going to try and take this. We have a big show announcement. We hope will make it tomorrow. I thought we were making today. I heard I thought about he's a tease. Yes I just think the if if it backfires I don't you know nothing. You're really into this. I literally but but but but there is a there but there's a backlash. If it doesn't happen that will frustrate me so I'd rather just doesn't make more sensible as a matter promoted Monday or Friday or I'm still caught up in the old dig. She promoted Kip Ramon on Friday because the weekend so you're saying I should caudal this one today. What do you mean should I caught all the situation or should I just disappear and just what tomorrow happening? Should he dive in like. Should I keep communication open with this Zeus and we're properly. I see what he's trying to do. Coddle Cobbling Yeah Oh coddle the situation with the person yes I. I would say a light check in chess out just to confer confirmation during the day 'cause I could see reaching out coddling in the next half hour not hearing anything for next twelve hours. Yes okay. That's all I'm saying that's it. That's all right so kind of like a every every twelve hours type thing maybe twelve whatever whatever you're playing all right. I'M NOT GONNA BE General. Send them in a happy. Just just just get it done <hes> but I will say if Dave pulls off the back toback O._J.. Lawyer in this I back to back days. That's the moment to moment that's the kind of decision we start saying. Maybe things have to change I was I was pissed because you were kind of involved in this person which I wasn't happy about Oh. I'm sorry I wanted to SURPR- I wanted to shocking yes. Yes me see if we should surprise you I was saying I don't know how he takes. We're GONNA do that. I had an idea I had an idea. The videos are GONNA go. Oh yeah which was whose idea very enticing again deal pat on the that's a great idea. I mean it's a pretty basic idea. Okay it's fine and we'll just turn tomorrow there no subscribers. Nobody's ever I've been born is associated with barstools history changes Stephen King book so try this. Hopefully that'll be good. Though we have a good interview with this guy you could with all the sound the other stuff you can build a good. I think a good show around that because I find this guy I you know we find out because I abhor. It's really and I think even like would care if I said that now. He's just an ambulance chasing attention as lawyer who is called Kim Goldman piece of Shit. It's like you know in wondered again. In this interview with Kim Goldman told the story the one that both on told the story how altercation with the police have at something happened to him a couple of years ago the police regret and he said I've moved on. Why is she again? He's into this like there's there's only one thing I agree with amount about the Kim. Goldman isn't weird when you listen that podcast and then like she's bawling her eyes out about like father emergencies or something right so ziprecruiter. That's weird I I would I if I ever have her on. We wrote that right times. John mentioned again I would say to her like my only advice vice would-be taps to have the other woman those reads yeah. That's all seems weird just having to pay the bills. I get that like there's no I have no problem with her making money off but none but and the other thing I actually agree with him to this guy and I'll tell him this is he was Howard. Howard Stern is saying the O._J.? Simpson should be off twitter's that would that was crazy crazy crazy first of all I think O._J.. Simpson chopped their heads off right yeah so he wasn't found guilty. In the court of lives found civilly liable. He served as time for his other stuff like he shouldn't be allowed to express his opinion on a platform will. We were talking about how weird it is that like the lawyer is talking to Kim. Goldman's put like how odd that is if you thought about it in nineteen ninety five now. How does it that the guy who made the prank call right during the Ford Bronco Ms? Jank's me the prank well. You're right. I mean is now interviewing one of the victims sister true although he was Super Anti Oh oh they might wrong like the O._T._C. Wants O.. J. D. Platform. That's the house shows you that hit record that Howard become but also say like look if O._J.. SIMP- start threatening people look fine okay. Here's his done gives fantasy football. He's been his whole drip like he's a joke I think would were in people mock him. I liked it. People Bullshit on him and I don't care if he's like he's getting advertising off. It and I haven't noticed as many fantasy football questions O._J.'s response not as many as there are are. Did you do it. Why would you find the killer that search and he wants him gone because why because it upsets like I get to the Kim Goldman that sucks but that's part of that's free speech and Howard stern who fought for the F._C._C. Insane fucking crazy so maybe I'll start the interview with that sort of highway? That'd be like you know what Malcolm couple years ago. I got whatever pulled over for speeding. I got over the fuck. That's how you tell you ah Kim Goldman the wrong. Thing is sort of like me having mutton my life like it's that like you can't get past right financing. It's what people bring up everywhere you go. Maybe I'll do fronting Mutt podcast righteous cry every week and then interview people have dealt with.

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Bands of your Life - Bob Bland edition

How Many Podcast

30:06 min | 2 weeks ago

Bands of your Life - Bob Bland edition

"How many how many? How many? How Manny? One two, three, four, five, six, seven, nine. WHO Would I get up to? Hello everyone, and welcome to a new episode of how many the only on casts on the Internet accounts. I am one of your host Jesse. Jackson joining me today is Gary. Gary L. Junior Lou and Bob. We are on series of episodes where we are giving tribute to sports radio thirteen ten, the new segment that they are doing bands of your life where they give eleven questions and you answer those questions with artist or band musicians but the kicker is you can only use one artist one band once on your list and I believe it is Bob's turn in the hot. Seat and junior is going to be asking the questions taken away guys Bob. The first question that I am dying to know is what band do you absolutely hate and do not get. So start off by giving us any honorable mentions you may have and then give me your answer I love your information give me a bullet pointed list a better not be British euro. Clean sweep of everybody hating depressed mode honorable mention is more hate and in the band I chose as more I don't get band honorable mention is cranberries and it's mainly because of those two hits linger and Zombie with the those annoying vocals ever put to microphone. It's interesting. You say that Bob, because you have two very notable Karaoke keys. dft You you have to. have. owned. And? It's like a goat gut shot. You say, but you on record as saying you like dream yes. do you like dreams even though there's at random yodel partner Oh. Oh That's my honorable mention but the ban that I'm going to say, I don't get more than hate because there are a couple of their songs I kinda like radiohead. I just don't get it mad enough with the brief loops are. It's like it's not just necessarily genius because you throw a bunch of crap against the wall. You know it's like the Jackson pollock of music. Thank God. Experimental unmanned. So many people rave about him and I think part of the allure may put on an amazing life show like I know Roy and some of the other guys on the ticket of really raised about they just got so weird that I record was kind of conventional. Creep. That was the big yet, which is a good song the more they further they got their crew works fair mental and just bizarre they I. Like a couple of their songs but I would almost put them in the overrated category as opposed to the hate category. It's almost like the Beatles thing where you almost get shamed into having to like them or else everybody thinks you're musical idiot they're definitely to music SNOB. Sure. Totally. Agree with that because I've had many times that people have looked down upon me because radiohead why does that matter with you? There's songs are weird because they drift into different tones like it'll have really long slow sections and all of a sudden everything will go crazy and it'll be chaos in some of that I like. But like you said probably a little overrated yeah. Could've put him in overrated as well. Speaking of overrated. What band do you think is overrated. So my honorable mention here is going to be smashing pumpkins like a couple of their songs, but most of it's just the beating disc. was. A. Bob Dylan Robert Zimmerman. Dylan's overrated. Yes. Was the when he did the bands of your life who really put it well, fantastic. Lewis's Godawful vocalist. That's it in a nutshell fuel young. He also has a really renewed voice. It's awful a lot but for some reason, I can totally hang with the new young boys but the Bob Dylan boys drained my life force. So many of psalms ramble the F. on other things like saving said that I agree with is covers Bob Dylan songs are always better than the old along the tower. Better moshing on heaven's door better. I got to see Bob Dylan live one time. I would consider it to be the best. I've ever heard him one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six, when Tom Petty and the heartbreakers were his band. Oh. I felt like that band was so tie it made Bob Dylan be. I had tickets to see him at the end of June, and of course, it got canceled I've never seen him live as we talked about on our last episode. There's people that you go man I should see him in. Yes. Sam Lison will hate you. Getting out of the negative categories and moving into the positive band that is under appreciated. Okay. So there were several at thought of here the one that I'm going to use my runner up and not that people don't think they're good I think just people don't realize how many good songs they have cheap trick they. It like junior thinks they have like three hits or something and it's like they have so many mortgage Johnson that and they're also really great live but they are audible mention. Yes I'm honorable mention. Can I guess what I? Yes Lebeau. Not Man we are devaux. So obviously my. Them along with probably most people was. That was a big hit came out of nowhere and I love that album freedom of choice, and it wasn't until I went back and heard the first album. ARE WE GONNA? Though we almost like rock album is just so incredible. Love almost all there's there's so much more to them than meets the eye. They were a performance art collector and the whole reason they formed was because they were at Kent. State when those shootings happened, they witnessed the shootings at Kent. State Soda John said. started. chrissie Hi tenders they were all there. The whole thing is about the theory of evolution you know almost like idiosyncrasy hershiser a lot of that too. What seems like just kind of silliness I one, hundred percents agree with you. They are greatness now, Scott Jesse. Do you guys have any opinions on Depot Jesse I, think you were on record as saying they are one hit wonder right? All you would. Get No satisfaction exactly with the audit plan heads off a lot of it. I would have been more on board with cheap trick songs. I know of cheap trick are genius live of Buddha Khan, my roommate right out of college. David Fair loved that. CD. So we listened to it a lot but yeah, I got nothing on Devaux now Scott familiar with the Neil young devaux. And that's creepy as hell seeing them. Ill loved them Neil. Love Diva. But there's been other times that Neil and I have not been on the same page about bands will be like they were just too out there for me to get into Deebo is so hard since I, think that's their appeal to me very similar to the British new wave band that everybody else seems to hate I love them. All right speaking of love band that I. Love. This was tough. Obviously, we already talked about Van Halen had a big Van halen phase at a huge rush phase. Ahead. A huge queen phase but runner up's going to be Tom Petty and the heartbreakers. There's only been one tom petty song ever didn't like and it was only because they ran the video into the ground too much. But they're awesome. AM So bombed that I never saw them live but the band I love I'm going to go with the band that I think has the greatest studio of all time greatest live album of all time and the band that I think has the greatest concept album of all time. It's the WHO. Would've talked about his bed if I could go back in time. Leads, and I would be for live at C. in I that would have been so amazing. No Ban Todd that much wall energy and volume to have what was arguably zebras drummer of all time had what was almost unarguably the best basis of all time. Roger Daltry is one of the best vocalist ever and towns and awesome guitarist alot all stuff. WHO's next is the best album of all time they're solid. Fifteen to twenty, are you counting hear me? Green. Soon. Greenie greed. I was thinking Mama's got a squeeze box. I've almost dometic karaoke because it's such a funny bit song. I've always looked at the WHO as being a real hit and miss type of bands. They have some songs that I think are just their century breakers a songs that will live forever. Then they have some songs that I think this just crap they have some some spare songs. It's just not the consistency there, and for me I agree about Kit as being drummer the guy was a monster. You know my friend the late great reckless go was a huge who fan and he always talk about that moon loved beech voice you like always like, Hey, we should surface in. The guys like, no, we're not doing serving I. Know Nothing about the WHO accept the hits I did some episodes onset lesson Greece where I picked tend not so well known springsteen songs I think that would be fun for who episode, Aright Fan that you can listen to over and over again, this would was really tough originally had ACDC on here but there my runner up I never ever get tired of ACDC I agree I agree completely for the band I put here Ryan's is GonNa. Agree with me on this one because it's the greatness of steely. Dan. Oh. Okay On this one. No static at all the. Kind of the complete package because the lyrics are just they're impeccable they can play so many different tempos and styles of music and it's the flexibility. It's so great. They were genius enough to bring in like Michael McDonald, pissing on some of their songs Mark Knopfler was odds tracks on Gouge. Does they really are just an amazing man in it's mainly just those two guys Bell Fagin and Walter Becker's now bob, did you get to see them live? No, I never got to see them live late for that buddy well, not necessarily because Donald Fagan still tours steely Dan. Now you mentioned Michael. McDonald was he doing the backup on paddle and? Yes I would put steely Dan kind of in the same vein as the WHO because I think that when steely Dan is really really good. They're really really good and when they're not so good they're discount of mad I hear the song do it again it's almost other worldly. So longest time I thought that song was Santana so. I thought that was saying Tanto probably for years it is such a huge headphones song. I could easily see somebody's sitting there listening to that and taking a couple of hits and high school greatly under appreciated by me and it wasn't until I got a little older I started saying, yeah they've got some really really good stuff out there buddy. Oh, and say the same thing it wasn't really until college that I probably started getting more and more into them and it's because I actually thought steely Dan only had. Like three or four hits it wasn't until Bob, gave me CD of steely Dan's greatest hits that I expanded out my number two like between ten and fifteen you sold me on steel again but you won't do it to me for cheap trick. I will not make that same concession. All right. So next up band that made me fall in love with music. Now, I had a couple of options here one band that I was gonNA use here because I actually wrote an article got published in a magazine about did. Martha and under WHO GIVES A it's all my website to whenever read it. It's about grand funk railroad because when I was a kid and my dad would go to the record store, he would not mind me a brand new record. All he would let me pick was from US twenty, five, cent record bands. I got all the grand funk albums us. So they would be my runner up but I the one I went with is the rolling stones? Of the reason. Is. Same Way Kyrie was talking about how? A. Lot of his musical love of his mom. I get the same thing from. Adad cycle through the same handful tracks over and over again and one of them rose rolling stones as in the which it's basically was one of an earlier it's record for my. Late sixties early seventies that was my first exposure to the rolling stones and hearing those songs so much over and over again, I just really liked them. You know before that it was almost all just stuff I heard on am radio. Public stuff and that was really like Oh. Wow. There's music beyond the hit song. Yeah. I kind of put the rolling stones in the same category that Gary was putting the Beatles in earlier by like a lot of their songs but it's almost like you're you almost have to like them right I always have liked them over the Beatles just because I think there's more edge to now there is more of an effort to the stones and the Beatles. So I was talking about that earlier Persona Colin Hanks Tom Hanks Kid and he joined we got this. It's a similar podcast US except you know they have more listeners but. A Bait Danes Choices Rolling Stone or Beatles they ended up going just slightly by the Beatles because of influence. But they really made a good discussion on it shouldn't be slammed up by the way I. Just Google the eight track that you talked about Bob. That's a really nice. That was a huge entry point into the eight tracks. My Dad had in heavy rotation was that one goodbye yellow brick road by John and shotgun. Willie Willie Nelson I would take those re CD's right. Now, that would not make a bad road trip Kelly ever listened to in the car with my dad was the bill mack open road show was hard. Hit yesterday hard bill just just interesting. How much your parents will influence your musical tastes because not only that I get that stuff through my dad to the checks. But when I would turn and I've got my first record player, I inherited my mom's collection of forty fives that she had listened to when she was a teenager so. Be exposed to some sixty stuff like bees and some other hands than I ever heard before. All right next up band that changed my life. This was also kind of a split decision. These are both man's I was exposed to roughly the same time. One of the band's is Jane's addiction my runner up because at that point, they really were more of a kind of a college fan and I heard. The nothing shocking albums that blew me away and I could not stop listening to it. But the one that catapulted me for the whole indie music thing was the replacements. There was a radio station in Austin, poke LBJ that L. Listen to, and unlike most of the stations back and they would periodically mix in stuff. You would normally hear on radio and I heard a replacement Song Alex Chilton of what is who is this Mike I've never heard of them. I've never heard of any other song. That's how mainstream I was at that point I had never heard of let it be Ernie. And not knowing anything about him I just immediately I hope so I gotta get the record so pleased to meet me and I. Just love all of it down while the Bass player is your age and he started the band was like twelve or thirteen years old like Oh God. That's awesome. I would love to be that guy there the first day and then I'm like, okay not everything I listened to has to be something that gives played on the radio and I will say I've never heard the replacing all. Familiar. With they're not allowed only I've heard the name though they had a pretty infamous appearance on Saturday night live like in the mid eighties is Astra's. Live performances were legendary because every now, and then you catch them on just an amazing night where they were just like the best live in in the world. But the other two or three times they were smashed and couldn't even play their instrument. The older brother of a bass player was talking about with original guitarist and he drank himself to death. There were very interesting band. They've had documentaries about they changed everything for me. I got to see them at the Bronco Bowl. Wow. Now I'm jealous their. Open for them. The show was an hour late guitarist and singer came out they performed two songs and then left, and then the replacements came out, blew the place away. I got to go backstage I was sitting talking to dense in the bass player like what the hell happened because the drummer got arrested in the baseball refused to go onstage without the drummer there are waiting hoping that they were going to get him out of jail and get into the show on time, but he didn't make so wow. Yeah. Tommy Stinson Bass players, the one I was talking about the real young Gary would be intrigued in later years. He was the bassist for guns and roses most the last fifteen, twenty years i. think he even was one of the ones that played on Chinese democracy in minutes were one of the things that I most proud about him is that I got my son interested in them and he really likes them. Now next step the band that surprised you I think this was the artist of all the categories. My runner up is Porter Wagner I always just remember the show he was the host and they'd bring Dolly Parton out all that stuff I started really trying to back fill catalog with some of the older country music. I can't stand modern country music and I got a collection of his stuff. I was just blown away by the songs and the lyrics and how dark some of that stuff seth, my runner up. But for my band that's surprising. Most Juniors GonNa hate this one because he hates this girl talk. Generals gathered in the mass. Say. That's not a real band. That's just a DJ mixing a bunch of different songs together. I know that's what surprised me about it is normally I don't go in for the whole raid thing. I heard grow talk album all day, and it's beyond mashups got my fond of youth mashups this youtube and typically it's like two songs mash together. But this style was built pot does his songs her absolute huskies of whole bunch of different song and he calls me Tiki Wiki boys known as an album. It did something similar goals. How does is basically creates music out of the entirety from all of the sample it's just incredible way he does it to me it's so cool to hear rap. With copper with hard rock, I played it for junior one time a he sabotaged undersold. I am a fan of mashups like I like those Youtube mashups where you take two songs and you put together right at girl talk is one continuous mixed that takes a heine pieces, inserts them in for about thirty seconds, and then it immediately goes to something else. A thing of it is usually takes about two or three of the songs and uses them as the backbone throughout, and then just mixes in some other stuff. The way that particular album woods just was perfect now Jesse Scott where you guys familiar with girl. Yes. Girl Talk to me it was just like, oh, it's a passing fad. They mentioned him on the ticket and I think that Jake some of them saw him perform like one of those festivals on by the way Bob Beastie boys could be on my overrated list Tara. They will definitely be on future list enough of whip girl talk next up guilty pleasure my runner up here she because actors. is they're so so heavily sampled rapper's delight would suck without the good times baselines. It's awesome. But what I really think works here as a guilty pleasure is radio station Kunr. And the reason I put him here is not for the Beatles I. genuinely enjoy. Solo. Ringo Starr I think songs like photograph don't come easy the no no song his greatest hits is awesome for and I just think people write him off as a hack. He was a spur. He wasn't a good drummer kind of a punch line of the beetle brought an awesome studio musicians and songs just really good voice was well suited for the hyper songs that he did I agree one of my regrets is you know he toured all star Band like Clarence Clemen and Kneels Lofgren just a lot of great people I agree if you read people who really respect drummers, they talk about how good he was. I. Would've almost put him man that is under appreciated even though he's a beadle as a standalone you're right he had only I always feel like I need to advocate Russillo were because everybody always says, all Paul McCartney Solo Wings Awesome John Stuff's awesome tortures. Ringo has a lot of really good stuff as well plus March Simpson painted a photograph of them much. Thanks for the painting of yours truly. I don't mean wall you'll quite. Question yes we do have burgers and fries in England, but we call French fries, chips love Ringo all right next step and I should have seen live by now. Okay. So Tom Petty is out of the running died Elvis Costello was my runner up one of these days of gotta see Elvis Costello Live can do Veronica and then walk off the stage. No. He's got about forty at least but the ban on putting here is fighters or s Christopher walken was eight fighters musical guest foo fighters I. Don't know why but I assumed you were Chinese. Another. Corona is preventing. Wife's favorite band and I love him as well and we were GONNA go see him in Oklahoma City and April to they were doing this twenty th anniversary tour I. Got Us really good seats better arena and then Kobe hit. But got rescheduled for December also an last week tour canceled. Arable. So no through fighters for me if you're Kobe heads, I would have seen him. We talked a little bit about missing people that had died and I somehow never saw the eagles during their original tour and then when they hell freezes over tour and so they were coming to Dallas with Vince Gill playing, and we had tickets and Cova canceled it, and then they rescheduled. It's FA- canceled it still you know hopefully, you got that thousand dollar refund. FOO FIGHTERS THE SOLID And guest starred on the West Wayne set the. Foo Fighters. Cat. That is You've actually got nine performers doing sets from seventy. Club. Foo Fighters. So Dave Grohl is finally gotten out of the Oh. He's just the drummer for Nirvana Phase I think he's surpassing anything Nirvana ever did I think his music is better you can't just say Oh, well, he's popular because he was in Nevada look Chris Nova sell it. was a piece of trash. I'm with you on the FOO fighters. They did a documentary a few years back Abou- starting of the band, my son and I went stood online at some theater for like two hours and we got to go in, they showed the documentary and then a live via satellite of them in the studio or forming their new album live right there on the screen of them in. It was amazing. You know that's really cool in at sonic highways. Thing was really awesome to kicked eight or ten cities in the US would go to those cities and Dave. GROHL would write a song about each of those cities and then they've made an album with those songs. Concept, last question great band to seed live. He knew the C. J. indie stuff was going to surface at some point runner up for band called my morning jacket that I have seen live and they're one of those bands that are much better live than on record. But yes, guided by voices either my live band. Credible. So awesome about them is their lead singer is a guy who's now sixty years old maybe sixty two something like that, and he still does hiking expedient a hundred song show year's eve last year in La that lasted over four hours now, no strings team is older than that and has kind of endurance. But this guy if edible what he does and they're very prolific, they've been around since the eighties and nobody knows of them except you know an indie circles. But, their live show is that ass I saw him at trees couple years ago and it was incredible. They just bring in almost every one of their songs super short like less than three minutes and they just go for one right next to the next to the on the dude has a giant massive beer cooler behind him on stage and he's just shrugging the whole show and high kick in and businesses. Awesome. Jesse Gary Are you familiar with guided by voices This junior next time we come through town I'll buy your ticket and Gary to all you guys. We ought to make a road trip of it e by chicken. Rather go see Max Sabbath again Mexico's pretty awesome. Thing real. Cinnabon Jovi. Interesting. Okay. All right. Well, that was an interesting list. Gary do you have any feedback on all of BOB'S I can tell you I was listening very intently as reasonable. I didn't say anything during that whole thing Bob cheated and had depeche mode disaster for like five of these questions. All Right Hey, pretty solid little list went a little independent would I would expect you to do i? Do think it's funny that so far Naronha the Beatles and Bob Dylan Order overrated. Doing. All right. Hey, thanks a lot where he would love to hear your picks of the bands of your life. If they want to reach us, how can they junior they can reach out to us by email how many podcasts? gmail.com. They can't leave a message on Youtube Channel just search for the how many podcast they can send us a tweet on the how many twitter account or you can send me a tweet directly even though I won't read it Mexican underscore junior and you can hear me at Jesse. Jackson DFW. Gary. and Bob Lukewarm Tabor and Scott it's GS material on instagram got underscore material on the twitter and you can go to I tunes or wherever you get your podcast rate as review. Alright. So this is the end of this episode but hey, keep subscribing because raw taken a turn and we're all going to shave abandoned life. But for now, thank you be safe wherever masks and we'll talk to you. These are the bands.

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"Steph's Broken Hand Is A Blessing"

The Lab

54:22 min | 11 months ago

"Steph's Broken Hand Is A Blessing"

"Three two one. What am I say? No we're not. We're hey hi there. Welcome to hot take down. The show. Were the hot takes of the sports world. Meet the numbers that proved them right or tear them down. Today is November Fifth Twenty nineteen and. I'm Sarah Ziegler the sports editor here at five thirty eight. I'm joined in the studio. By one of my co hosts. Senior Sportswriter Neil Pain Neil. Hello Sarah are you glowing from your fantasy football victory. You know it's We're we're going on to Cincinnati. It's just we're moving on no. Wow it's just it's just one game we're taking it one game at a time every day. One hundred ten percents absolutely Louis on the line from Los Angeles is by thirty eight contributor. Jeff Foster Hello Jeff. Hello Sarah how are you. I'm great are you excited about out your nationals prediction in the world series. You're the only one he got it right was I the only one who's the nationals residing nationals and seven both both parts of that you got snuck in another brag their long I'm obviously taking the nationals just to play my role a little counter-intuitive. How many games? I'll take seven. Well we're on the topic of my accurate predictions which is not a transition. I make very often. I also said that the Patriots would lose before the niners see. Yeah I was going to bring that out that. How did that look at you? Yeah I mean that was not a very tough complex. Didn't Illo say that too. Yes so it did you all jeff. Did you call the jets loss to the dolphins. Actually I will say this. I didn't I didn't do it on air because I think we do our listeners. A service by limiting how much I I I just rant and rave about the jets which no one wants to hear. I don't I don't want to hear but I did think they were going to probably lose that that game. That's how that's how this jet season's gone. What about your friends football team? Jeff how how did you do their big win big win seek Elliott last night. I didn't even need the points he could. I rest my rest my starter my starting running back last night. But I couldn't because I'm not a real coach and it's a fake. Yeah you got to avoid playing your fantasy players in having them get hurt. I don't know what was going on with Steph and digs though Sarah I mean he had four yards and what what's happening. Can I do a complete one. Eighty and his are you right in that. Maybe Kirk cousins is not that good. I don't know Jeff I am always right and no cousins is not the diametric Liam Pos opposite stance. I took the week prior which actually I think is evidence that I am in fact correct correct but now kirk cousins did very well and fancy football for you. Neil that is correct. Yes who didn't Mitch Trubisky. And they were traded for each other and then we may or may not have made an illicit under the table agreement in which Sarah agreed to buy me yet another AAA lunch. Which in exchange for me benching Jameis Winston and starting cousins who had an inferior projection? Going into the week Just for fun. It wouldn't have mattered because I am the actual. I've scored no money to lose. I've scored two lunches right it out of that one cousin trubisky and the first lunch was because you thought you were breaking the argument. That trubisky is the better player here then cousin so I was getting out of the trade did have a higher projection going into the week. Yeah I am bad at the neal. You have both those guys want you train me one of those guys. I'm over here. Starting Sam Darnold like a church. No we I have trubisky meal has cousin. I have cousins in Winston them. That's what I mean. Cousins are Winston. I'll take it. I'll take okay. I'll tell you why did you grow the ball yet. You went through too risky because he is available. No the bears shouldn't want trubisky now. Why is everyone no one? No one should want trubisky. I don't care if you're reality or fantasy not starting NFL quarterback. I'm sorry drafted him very high and you turn earn down pat homes for him a bunch of other things but you gotta move on bears find. Someone else is is Mark Sanchez. Still out there. Well he retired this year but he's probably like you know close to game shape API down. He'd be up for it and I was GonNa say if you sign Mark Sanchez. Then you could do the same thing. The bears did a couple of weeks ago which which was Rather than let cut him loose let him throw the ball to try to get closer to a game winning field goal. You could just take some knees with him. Maybe he might even run into the back end one of his linemen and then you could miss a field goals. Which is the bears? I mean we talked about the butt fumble recently. We don't talk about it every week into he didn't have to fumble this time just running to the back of the center and hang onto the mall. I am very excited for the bears to beat the Vikings when they he played get in a few weeks oh God inexplicably always 'cause the earlier. Yeah all right well. On today's show we will take a look. At what Steph Curry's broken hand means for the warriors warriors and the state of tanking in sports more broadly. We'll preview the start of the college basketball season. I won't take a deep dive into data with our rabbit hole of the week last. Thursday steph curry broke his left hand in an awkward fall. During the warriors game against the Phoenix Suns by Friday gone onstage had announced that crew would miss at least three months before the season started even with Kevin Durant gone and Klay Thompson likely out for the whole year. It's still seemed like the warriors it could be in contention for a championship and in fact they were my preseason picked to represent the Western Conference and the NBA Finals. Have Jeff such places. Now can I just make all the BIZARRO. I don't like this. I don't like those at all. But instead this injury could derail the entire trajectory of the franchise but maybe this is the best worst case scenario. Here's Tyler Parker on the ringers. The hottest take the best thing that happened to Steph curry is breaking his hands. Who has seas- but I'm not sure a broken hand has ever a great thing for a player but this could turn out to be an okay thing for the warriors right now? Yeah I mean you know the right now. We have them projected to win thirty six games that would be bad but You know super tank level bad but in the NBA. You can kinda control if you're a bad team. How many games you win? If you're especially if your best players are injured and so so You know this could be an example of a lot of people brought this up that it would be sort of a a one shot tank opportunity for them which don't really come along along that often most of the time in the NBA teams tank. They they planet and they just go full sixers and trust the process. But we've seen opportunities like this. Come up I'm thinking of the Nineteen ninety-seven San Antonio Spurs is is the one that comes to mind. First that you lose David Robinson pretty pretty early in the season. Roughly the same point of the season when Steph curry went down for the warriors. And you just play badly have some lottery luck and suddenly suddenly you've got Tim Duncan alongside not bad David Robinson. You've got twin towers now. I think the the state of the warriors in terms of the players that they have and the and the players what they expect to do. I'm thinking of Draymond. Green In particular Is is a higher level in their accustomed. Accustomed to more winning than Maybe the the ninety seven spurs leftovers Were after Robinson went down. But I don't know it's kind of an interesting testing wrinkle to add early in the season and it's probably better for the warriors to maybe pursue that route. Then you know miss the playoffs by a few games and I have a bad draft pick and You know not really get anything out of the season so the warriors did win Monday nights but their lineup. They're back Yup. They're back up. Their lineup did not look like a consistently. Winning lineup Eric Pascal Glen Robinson. Willie Willie Caller Stein who is an actual starter. kyw Bowman and Your Boy Jordan Pool. We've got a couple of Michigan guys in there. That's not going to normally win you. A ton of games the NBA. They're GONNA be terrible. Let's not read too much into last night's result. They're they're going to lose a lot of games but it's important 'cause the pig is protected one through twenty twenty. The Nets won't get it if they're in that lottery range and that's big but you know to say this is some golden tickets a little extreme because because a the way the lottery percentages have changed nothing is guaranteed. Look what happened last year with New Orleans and frankly I yeah I don't know I mean obviously way too early to tell but there doesn't seem to be like Zion Williamson. Anthony Davis Type Scher fire. Number one out there even if they were to get incredibly lucky so yes it will help them to some degree but it's not something they should be dancing in the streets in Oakland Glenn over. They're going to have to watch a lot of bad basketball. Let's see how loyal those fans are guys. Let's see let's see if all those silicon valley diehards diehards are are driving up to go watch the warriors when they're losing by forty to the jazz exciting as it is to watch Jordan pool missed three pointers in there. It's going to be a long season. Yeah and in in this particular case the star that's kind of left standing draymond green. Who is one of the most unique and interesting stars in NBA history? And I think I argued a few weeks ago that he does sort of belong in the conversation of the great players of the game bought. That comes with a caveat and I think our colleague Chris Herring is writing about this today even that Eh because he is so unique he was uniquely suited to produce like a star and play a star role on a team like the warriors that already had guys it could create guys that could shoot guys. That could do a lot of things And and now that a lot of that infrastructure is gone around him. You'RE NOT GONNA ask Draymond Green to go go out and score you know twenty to twenty five points a game and carry you every night. That's not the type of player that he is. It's kind of built and tank and it sounds bad though because I I feel bad for dream on being kind of in this role. Now that he's kind of miscast for or being unable to kind of amplify The players around him in the same manner that he's used to but you know that's what comes with being such a unique player. He's also hurt too. Torn ligament ligaments finger and Dangelo. Russell's also hurt too well so are either of those guys is someone that the warrior should consider trading. Well Yeah I mean if you want to to kind of below some of the core up of the past few years and kind of look ahead beyond just this one year. Maybe that's the answer but ah I don't know whether the warriors are willing to do that first of all in kind of look ahead beyond You know doing what they can this year and and then it it almost feels like And from the statements that they've made they're saying all the things that they you know all the right things about tanking and saying. Oh we you would never do that. That runs and thankful to you. Know who we are as a franchise And these guys are making a lot of money. Also you know in terms of you look at how much money is owed to Russell and green Not just next year but several years beyond I think it might be a little difficult for them to make make some kind of trade in that regard and I don't know that they would necessarily want to because the fantasy way all of this works out is that you do get At least some kind of potential star in the draft. Even if it's not like Eh Franchise Changer and you just slot that player in next to do whatever you can retain of the core from this championship teams of those final steam. And just kind of keep role and you retool. You don't rebuild. I think that's the thing in. This probably applies the baseball. Maybe even football is. We haven't really seen a blueprint for the half tank. Working the sort of like one foot in one MM foot out style tank where you're retaining some of the old talent and you're not really you know dining the entire rotation entire entire cordier franchise in rebuilding from scratch So it'll be interesting to see if that's possible. I mean the the better move might be is try to unload dream on at the deadline. If that's possible well you know I think about One of the teams we wrote about in baseball going into the season. I think wanted to do that. That was the Cleveland Indians that they you know had shopped all of their higher priced players and they ended up trading. Trevor Bauer at the trade deadline and They they missed out on the playoffs. By few games and underestimate the Minnesota twins that was part of the argument was because the the rest rest of their division seemed so weak they They felt like they had margin to do the half tank As you put it Jeff and kind of Oh we'll ease off the gas a little bit but still you know keep keep going fast enough to win the division and it didn't really work And they weren't even able to really make make all the trades and I think they would have preferred to make so. I think it's like so complicated. It's much easier to either go all in on contending or all in on tanking thinking and just do like you know just be brazen about it in either direction than walk that tightrope in between though I feel like the warriors have won opportunity to sort of do that that kind of well. We weren't gonNA take but maybe we're kind of taking thing with Diangelo Russel because I always thought they were going to trade him at some point this season. He's not a great right fit for them. My thought was when before before curry got hurt. My thought was that they would trade russell to get a piece that fit better and make that push for the playoffs but now they could trade him for picks or still someone who who would fit better. Yeah but do you. Kind of damage his trade value by kind of running him out there and in would subpar supporting cast and his numbers. Aren't that great. And we're homes look better with Supporting guests well. Yeah he has time to shine my question. I think that would have maybe worked also in a previous era of the NBA. which you could look at a guy scoring nineteen points a game and be like? Oh you know good good player. Let's go out and get him now instead they're looking at some of the Advanced metrics and feeling is true. Shooting percentage is below fifty percent Bad defensive metrics bad On versus off really bad on versus off. Maybe yeah that also kind of cuts into it. It is this idea of it was easier to unload players and kind of smokescreen their true value before every team started kind of looking at the same numbers. The question is to what end I mean like even if they've really tried to salvage whatever they could of this season what's the the ceiling of a first around sweep a first round loss. I mean like so. They have to sort of prioritize like the next couple years and see how their roster shape now and what they wanNA do again. I'm not endorsing tanking. But you know decisions need to be made at certain points. And that's in tank in for the record. Yeah I kind of figured you were but this all sort of speaks to the core conundrum that the league faces in trying to reduce tanking anyway away. Is this idea of like you know. Are you pouring resources into something that falls short of a championship or even falls short of the playoffs. In in this particular speaker case teams are like. What's the point? Why are we doing this? Why are we wasting you know Whatever we've invested in this team to see them not not make the playoffs and that's kind of tough that like all or nothing where it's like you either make the playoffs or you? Don't and there's nothing in between I think does cause teams to Kinda shy. Yeah away from you know putting too much into a team if they if they know. They can't make the playoffs Without you know investing a lot more so the counterargument that's too that right is the fan experience and so do you lose fans do you do you lose fans at that you can never get back if you tank and I'm not sure if that's I mean people aren't gonNA probably show up this year right as you alluded to jeff in Golden State eight. The fans are back in Philly. I was GONNA say the sixers have the second highest attendance in the League which does I think Kinda send the message that it's fine fine? It's the they will forgive you if you build a good enough team. Out of the ashes of a tank is so is it easier to tank or at least two tank briefly in the NBA. I mean the sixers are pretty good. Example of trusting the process and the process working the sun's look decent this year. They look really good this year after looking terrible the past couple of years I mean so is that is it more successful in the NBA than it is in other sports. What's probably more successful? In in a sense that it's easier to predict which prospects will become stars and so then you can kind of use that as the steppingstone and then those stars more reliably lead to your team being successful down the line so the NBA has the perfect mix of all these factors. Does that make it feel safer to tank than other sports. You still need some luck and you need to make smart decisions if you have bad luck and you make bad decisions. You turn into the Knicks and it doesn't really matter the Nixon even tanking. The Knicks aren't trying to take anyway just bad point. They're like the jets. The mets are we trying to win or lose. Everyone else seems to know what they're doing except for us. We're we're kind of caught in between and actually that's not a coincidence. Part of that is the product of the the marketplace. All those New York teams are playing in where there is extreme pressure to you know be at least remotely successful every year and you know never. It's hard to really sell the full tank. But the next what happened. And they look like they're lined up to this big off season they got bad lottery luck and then bad luck with the durant injury. If you wanted like honestly consider they were in line to get him and things didn't fall into place so there. There is some risk here in the sixers took a couple swings at this before they seem to get it right it does seem like the NBA. It's a little bit easier partially because they're just fewer players right in there. Each individual player matters more the. NFL seems like an impossible way to take. I don't know the dolphins can do that. I mean it does seem like they're trying to lose. Though they failed at that on Sunday the just wouldn't let them. That's true I mean they're in the division with at the jets so that's GonNa make their ambition of sixteen tough but the NFL. We've talked about this before too when they're sixteen games. And there's these guys out there. You know like risking their bodies and putting everything into each one of those games in terms of preparation. It's hard to just turn around and say hey. You guys shouldn't win this week. Because that's good for the franchise long-term. We're not sure if you're going to be a part of it but It's good for us. So that's a hard. Sell the only way to really early tank in the. NFL is to quarterback tank. quarterback is so important more important than any other position in sports. If you put someone who's really really bad in that position then you're not GonNa Win Games. They switched out. Josh Rosen for Ryan Fitzpatrick and look what happened. They almost beat the steelers. That'd be the jets if they really WANNA lose it. Still be playing Josh Rosen at quarterback because he's not as good they're not going to win as many games with less experience. I don't know Josh Rosen. Presents long-term value. But that is the way to do it. In the times we've seen teams successfully tank was often by accident. Eight manning getting hurt and getting Andrew Luck you know Andrew luck getting hurt and and getting a bunch of draft picks to an already solid core for that colts team so you never get a team to buy in on all Levin is on offense or letting guys and evens is not trying. The other problem is that you know even if you get one great skill position player one great quarterback that's just not enough in the NFL. I mean look what happened with the browns. I mean we all thought the browns. We're going to be great 'cause they all these great piece got a Dell back on me a Baker Mayfield's looking great in going into the second year and then you know with the coaching and everything involved in the scheme and their approach. And it's all gone so you know it's all gone up in smoke and it's only nine weeks into the season. Neil would like to point out that he did not think. The bread wrote a story that you edited Jeff that were skeptical. Skeptical of these browns. That on the record no I thought it was great. But I'm saying the general consensus. I mean you talked about in that story. I mean what what were their super bowl odds it was ridiculous ridiculous right. I mean it was the browns. Everyone had completely got blinded by all these like flashy moves and we forgot that there's a lot the browns the browns and also there's a lot more that goes into the. NFL goes into winning in the NFL. Then let's say the other sports well. I do think though you mentioned mentioned the two thousand eleven colts that sort of the the classic example of the one year tank in football you know if the if the ninety seven spurs are the example of maybe we could add the twenty twenty twenty Golden State Warriors to that list. But I do think that that is such a specific nick exception to the general rule once luck got in to your point Jeff. It's about more than one player. I do think there are two different there. There are at least two different kinds of tanking injury taking in the like just taking to build for the future whatever plan tanking and opportunistic. Exactly any even that you know like you said the opportunity taking can take different forms but that kind of thing is easier to recover from the fan base and maybe that it doesn't matter anyway because just care if you start winning again but it does feel like with the warriors that's they don't have to try to lose they're GONNA GONNA lose and so then whatever happens after that is maybe fine. Yeah Glen Robinson the third gives you plausible deniability exactly against tanking when he knew. I do think that this is a reason why you know the sixers process aside because it's like the most extreme example but the the shorter term tanks that you can do in the NBA in the NFL Around the quarterback are looked are frowned around upon less than the tanking. That is currently happening in baseball. Because Amb Baseba- you gotta lay in some ground work. You know you got to build in the infrastructure fracture years ahead of time to be bad and be willing to put up with the types of seasons that like the Astros in the cubs had Earlier this decade aid I mean they were like irrelevant and winning sixty or fewer games for like three or four years at A. You know on end If not more and so I do think that like steering a baseball team is like trying to steer like the titanic or something you have to plan the movement. You're making being so far in advance. That once you go down the path of tanking you have no choice but to go all in on it and it becomes just a horrific perfect fan experience just as the orioles fans whereas some of these quicker tank jobs the nature of basketball and the nature of football because because they don't have this minor league system college effectively serves as the minor league system And once you get players in place the prospects they're pretty ready to contribute in in most cases and and you can kind of you know th there's there's less uncertainty or around which prospects will become stars. It's just such a faster and easier process and if it if you get a new GM or if you The fans start to turn on it. You can maybe pull the plug more easily. And you don't have like these years worth of Groundwork built up Around the tank to kind of reverse back on And so I think that's why baseball tanking has become come so kind of pernicious over the past few years is that it really is a question of like basically. Do you WANNA throw away a half decade. Just with with nothing to show for it on the chance that you'll win some world series but maybe only one I mean the astros. Yeah they've only won one out of it so far they've they've gone to to But but I do think that you'll have people asking whether it's worth more in baseball than in the NBA. Where we've seen it happen? It seems to maybe maybe be more effective. Also so if you're a fan of the warriors do you want them to take this year. That's a tough question. I yes I would probably say yes. It's it's tough if that means losing draymond his beloved there or losing clay. I think I don't think anyone's GonNa really lose a lot. Go to sleep if they get rid of the Ngelo Russell because he wishes there wasn't part of all that greatness again as I mentioned the New York teams. I think the worst place to be. Is this purgatory Tori inbetween trying to compete and not trying to compete. That is really a recipe for just a treadmill of mediocrity which we've seen and right and that's just not basketball. We've seen that in all these sports we've talked about. I think in this case if you can get away with a one year of not being good to build something backup for next year you take that. I think you can live with that as a fan. Yeah any any team can have one bad ear. Sure Yeah and lots of them without trying all right well. Let's leave that there. Today's as episode is brought to you by linked in meal. Take it away. It's always an honor hiring. The right person takes time time that you often don't have but you shouldn't let a time. Crunch get in the way of finding the right candidates for your business. That's why Lincoln is the best place to post your job. Lincoln jobs screens candidates with hard and soft skills. That you're looking for us or you can hire the right person and fast things like collaboration. 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It's Oregon led by do it all senior Sabrina. I N S Q on the inside. Michigan State is the preseason number one and this assist the first top preseason ranking in school history which I was surprised yeah that that is the shocking part to me. Not The fact that they are number one coach Tom. Izzo is not patting himself on the back for that I still think building based on I four sons. Tommy hopefully skyscrapers outright cancer vied for stores songs rock. So I'm not so sure about is metaphor. There he's been the coach in East Lansing for for twenty five years after all which is a long time to spend building a basement. He's also thirty seven on the list of career head. Coaching wins which seems pretty pretty lofty. It's me but what about this year's team Jeff does the Spartan squad have what it takes to win a title. I think coach is Oh doesn't understand the fundamentals souls of building construction. But we won't get into that he's got A. He's got to be a basketball coach. I think a lot of it. Is You know this is college college basketball. All the attention goes to these guys who are going to be the one in duns. The lottery picks and yet those aren't the guys who win college basketball you you know. Obviously the Anthony Davis Kentucky team that Duke Team few years back it is possible to win with freshmen. But generally it's becoming clearer and clearer error that that the teams were returning seniors and guys who have built a chemistry and have tournament experience. Do well and that's the to Jay Wright teams that one in Villanova fit that mold in last year's Virginia team certainly fits them all who had a ton of returning talent and Cassius Winston is probably the best player in the country and he's a senior six one which is great if you're an east lansing because it means he's not in the NBA and he was awesome in the tournament last year and took him in the final four. And and I think you know for good reason that that's why they have that one next their name this year and that pains me to say as as someone who spent a Lotta time in Ann Arbor just recreation like almost. Here's how just hung more than four years because I we talked about. Michigan State is being the example of the team. That doesn't try to build through the freshman one undone type players. It also helps. I think it's not a coincidence that they're the preseason number one in a season where you don't really have the same level of you've you know Duke has not accumulated four of the top five recruits in the country or or whatever like they have A few times in recent years you you know Memphis is probably that team this year with Penny Hardaway As coach they've got to five star recruits and five four star recruits crude According to twenty four seven sports coming out of just this specific recruiting class so to me. That is as close as you'll get to you A Duke style recruiting one and done freshman powerhouse type. But they don't really have the same history they don't have the same reputation the recruits and the pedigree of of Duke. Kind of always put them over the top and that was why they were The number one and the same goes for Kentucky when when they were building the Anthony Davis teams and some of the other ones that have had crazy numbers of freshmen In the past those are the two schools that we think of when we think of that strategy NOT MEMPHIS WELL MEMPHIS is only ranked fourteenth in the preseason poll which given those recruits and and the sort of excitement built up there but I also have a long standing grudge against preseason polls. I know we've found that their predictive but they still make me angry because it's more about the tradition than about in reality. What does that say about college basketball if the thing that is annoying you because of all the things that teams have not proven on the court this year yet? Are the things that it are actually more predictive than you know how a team has done during the regular season because I think the big knock on college basketball is that the regular season doesn't doesn't really matter you know that yet matter some obviously matters more than the NBA does into well. That's not that's a pretty low bar to clear but yeah I mean it gets you into the tournament but for the most part the teams that looked good on paper going in can pretty much sleep walk through and and make it into the instability tournament and Yeah that talent kind of tells you as much or more about how a team will do once they get there then. how they've done in in these regular season contest. Well I think it's a self fulfilling prophecy right. Because the rankings boost the teams the recruits. Come because of that. Yes they play well but also also those pedigree teams get the benefit of the doubt more in when it comes time to seed the tournament than other teams. You get you. You know. North Carolina in randomly as nine seed every once in a while. When it's like why are they even in the tournament they did not? I mean that happens a lot. I don't have the numbers on that attorney from our UNC Fan producer. Tony Very anti the blue bloods I am. I couldn't believe that Michigan State had never been a preseason. We season number one. Even after they had won the national championship. So I was. I was reminded of the season of basketball. That still makes me the most mad which was not nine hundred ninety nine. Two thousand season when Michigan State won at all that final four had to number eight Senate a number five and the number one Michigan State and the one of the eighth was North Carolina. So that's why I was thinking about how North Carolina should barely have made the tournament there and then they went to the final four which is really annoying. I appreciate that because it it was always like a nice little bracket Trick where you you hone in on those teams that were the the preseason you know higher ranked teams that in had disappointing regular season. And maybe they got seated you know when like seven eight nine kind of slide and then you're just like Oh yeah. This team is going to steamroll their way through. At least the first first round and they have to go up against the one seat if they're eight or nine but still you know and then maybe there's some upset possibility there too. You know. I think that anytime. There's like weird disparities. Disparities between how much talent team has that. You know that they have and you know the oddsmakers. If they were making picks would be going off of that too. And these these other factors where we give teams credit for you know wins and losses that they've compiled during the regular season. That may not be overly predictive. I think that's interesting. That's an interesting dichotomy that you get in college basketball compared with maybe some other sports. I think it's interesting too. I just don't like it. I wish that it mattered. That you had to put more effort out there which is the same thing as the NBA. And also why you don't like the because you don't have to put much effort in and that that sucks that's doesn't seem like like the way we would want to set up a sport like we wouldn't just start with March right. I know that's when a lot of people tune. In what if we doc in really weird for like okay guys go for it. Good luck state is the one seed. Yeah sure why not. They've been practicing pissing in isolation for months playing against other teams. That would be actually kind of amazing so on the women's side number one Oregon was thrilled to get back. Doc Wade trophy and wooden award winner. Sabrina CI- Goo- who returned for her senior year instead of leaving for the WNBA neocon organ when the title this year. Yeah I mean they definitely can. And this is shaping up to be kind of Sabrina. 's moment right I mean it's a little like I remember maybe this. It's not a good example for championship hopes. But I remember when Peyton Manning decided to come back to Tennessee For one more year Even so he could have gone probably number one in the NFL draft The spring beforehand. Just to kind of do it again and and and take another shot at it. And that's that's kind of what this reminds me of. Where like she is the biggest star and The seems like a great opportunity. And I think it's great in a way that that you don't see this in on the men's side because of the one and done and because of just early entry anyway by the way that's going GonNa go away. After I think next season is that they've gotten rid of the one and done ruler. They're talking about getting rid of it. relatively soon so oh man this dynamic could change on the inside too but it. It is kind of unique to women's College basketball where you see the best player in the country decide to it. Kinda come back in and forego a chance to go pro For for another shot at The College Championship. So what could stand in their way. This year are are there any particular teams that anyone's that you're looking out for this year. Well I mean you know. The PAC twelve is stacked this year you also have Stanford Got Oregon State And you know looking wider across the country Baylor even though you mentioned they were not the preseason number one defending champs have some talent coming back and Yukon. We really haven't talked about them aside from the fact that it's Kinda surprising and I do wonder about them. mm-hmm as to whether their their time as the sort of default overwhelming. Let's let's pick them and forget about everything until late. March early April and and see see where they Whether they lose in an upset on a buzzer beater in the national semifinal or go to the final and and when I don't know if those days are are numbered you know or over by now have have we. Kind of witnessed the end of an era and and kind of the passing torch For Yukon or have rumors of yukons demise. been been greatly exaggerated. I don't know I think we're still in kind of a A transition period where we're going other way. Yeah I think you count out Yukon at your own peril rate. It's like how every fall not this fall but the Patriots losing early game and you're like Oh the pdf done and then they are not done and this year. They're like no no. We're just GONNA win most of them. It's fine they did. The final four was that their twelve th final. Now I mean it's funny team to be like they're they're done. That's yeah no it's true but I mean it does speak to the standard of how dominant imminent. They were during that stretch where they won four straight championships and I think the six and eight years or something like that that like anything short of of winning the championship. Even if you're to win short feels like kind of a letdown right. I mean you has always been so good at. Oh they've lost. You know these this big star they L- they lose Muliu Katie Samuelsson but then they still have crystal dangerous dangerfield. I mean they still have one of the best players in the country. It doesn't seem like they're someone we should should ever ever think doesn't have a chance. They always have that. We can make a lot of dangerfield. No respect I do. I do love her name. She has a crate. Great name so Baylor Loss Kalani Brown but still has lauren. Cox Who got hurt in the final is so good and Melissa Smith who really proved herself after Cox went down bailer though has is there thing where they only win championships every seven years. So I mean you pick against them clearly that that will continue so while the season gets underway tonight for both both men's and women's basketball so we will check in on these teams throughout the season and when March madness rolls around. We'll see if we needed the regular season at all or could have just started right with that at five thirty eight we often find ourselves falling down various rabbit holes of data. Some leave stories. Some don't we end each week. Show with one of these two cents. The Hut takedown rabbit hole of the week. Neil get US started well for this week's rabbit hole. I want to extend a special special congratulations to the Houston Astros. I know that they They did not win the world series but they can still put up the championship. Banner in a certain way because they finished the season as number one in our fivethirtyeight. MLB Elo ratings. The real champions which is what a real dollars for the championship I think it we could consider the nationals and the Astros sorta like Co Champions of of twenty nine thousand. You know I'm joking but it is surprisingly common to see the best team in baseball. We can use Illo as kind of a proxy proxy for that to kind of refresh listeners. Who Don't really know what Illo is? It's a rating system that basically tracks you know how good you're supposed to be going into the season Zain than it bakes in who you've played You know have you beaten them. How much did you beat them by and kind of tracks it throughout the season all the way to the end and gives zoo a power rating? Basically this can create these paper champions. these teams that despite losing the championship still had the higher are- low rating at the end of the year in baseball. It's happened twenty eight times since nineteen sixty six. I chose nineteen sixty six for reasons that will become clear later. That's fifty fifty. Two percent of baseball seasons in that span have ended with the number one team on paper not being the the actual world world series winner now in some of the cases a lot of cases forty six percent of them. In fact you can explain it away by basically a head to head victory story so Washington beating. Houston that's head to head Another paper champ. From recent years in two thousand fifteen the blue as they finished number one in yellow they lost in the playoffs to the Kansas City. Royals who went on to win the world series so you can kind of connect those dots about half the time and explain why the paper champion Indian didn't win just by saying they ran into the actual champ who beat them head to head And that was the reason why they didn't get it. Sometimes you have to dig a little deeper like in two thousand eleven. The Yankees were the paper champion. That year but you have to say that they lost to Detroit who lost the Texas Rangers. Who Lost the world series to the you champion? Saint Louis Cardinals and that's how you draw that path. That's pretty rare in baseball but Sometimes you have to resort to that so I was thinking okay. We know half the time this happens in baseball and baseball is notably a pretty random sport. I think we've talked about it on numerous occasions on the show actually Perhaps perhaps related to the twins and their postseason foibles very Sarah but I wanted to know how often it happened in other sports and what I found was so I looked at the. Nfl fell the NBA College. Football and men's college basketball going back to nineteen sixty six. That was the the start of the Super Bowl era and then I looked at women's college basketball starting in two thousand two which the first year that we have data for any low ratings for and I looked at how often those sports produced paper Champs CBS champions best teams that are different from the actual official champion and found that each of those sports were pretty similar in their rates and they were far less common in in those other sports than they were in baseball so in the NFL only about twenty percent of the time does it produce a paper champion in the NBA. Twenty eight percent of the time time in college football twenty six percent of the time in men's College Basketball Twenty six percent of the time and in Women's College basketball twenty two percent of the time those are strikingly strikingly similar rates. And they're about half or less than half of what you see in baseball. I think some of it comes down to the nature of the sports. We've talked about football ball and basketball being similar in terms of how much information any given game conveys In those sports if there is an exception A and there is a paper champ. It's almost always going to be because of a head to head result in the NFL. Ninety one percent of the time the paper champion was caused caused by that team losing to the eventual super bowl champion in the playoffs which is an impressive rate. If you think about it and these are cases like you know in in two thousand fourteen. The the the seahawks had the best rating at the end of the year. They lost head to head in the Super Bowl to the Patriots and the Patriots have been involved in a number of these in both directions. Directions you think of two thousand eleven to two thousand seven. They were probably the best team that you're both times. They lost super bowl to the giants but in two thousand and one the rams were probably the best team they finished finished with the best yellow. They lost a civil to the Patriot and then in the NBA. It's just pretty rare. In general you often see the best team win The only exceptions are weird upset. So Dallas finished the two thousand six season with the highest Elo. They lost the finals to the Miami Heat And and after sort sort of staking themselves to a huge lead in that series also. It seemed like they were destined to win. So sometimes upsets happen Sometimes they don't even happen in the finals. The Portland Trailblazers Blazers very sad in two thousand. They finished the season with the top Elo rating that does not erase the suffering of that meltdown that they had in the western conference finals finals. Against the Lakers. You can kind of extend this demands college basketball to seventy nine percent of the time. The road to the title for the paper champion is thwarted by the actual champion. But I'm interested in college football because it is the sport until recently definitely did not have a playoff system You could call Paul what it has now the playoff system and indeed it has produced fewer paper champion since they started putting in the College Football playoff. It's only happened. Once that was the case of Alabama losing to Clemson but still finishing with a higher low in two thousand sixteen but most of the time in the history of college football. You just have these disconnected teams. That are kind of on their own. Track their winning their games And then you get to the balls. They don't play each other Especially early before the nineties. They never played each other almost and they just end the season. And it's like okay. Who's the best team? This is why you had those split championships back in the a day where the AP would vote for one team but the coaches poll would vote for another. It was really impossible to say and even when you start to try to go into some of these like degrees degrees of separation and use the transit of property to try to explain why one team was ahead of another one You get into some really ridiculous ones. Though the weirdest one I found was a nineteen eighty three so the paper champion that years Auburn had the highest Elo rating but Miami ended up winning the championship. So how do you get from Miami and draw a path through head to head results. Get them ahead of Auburn. Well Miami beat Notre Dame in Notre Dame. Beat Boston College and Boston College beat Clemson. Who Tied Georgia who beat Texas? Who beat Auburn? So then you have to go through six different steps in order to arrive from Miami and kind of draw path and that just goes to show how bizarre college football was before they put it in a proper playoff system. It was almost impossible to say who the best team was and often you ran into these situations where you just had to kind of throw up your hands. Baseball has a bracket has a playoff system a a dedicated way of determining head to head and it still half the time the the team that looks the best on paper is not the team that wins and I think that's one of the charms of baseball and it's also not like drawbacks. I think it depends on the perspective that you WanNa take if you think that the world series and the playoffs playoffs in baseball should determine who the best team is beyond a shadow of a doubt. Then this is a flaw. You know it kind of exposes that a lot of randomness numbness and and just matchups can happen in the playoffs and key injuries and a bunch of other factors That that lead to the best team on paper not winning but who can say that. We have been deprived of of drama and excitement and unpredictability that we would have had if you just sort of made everything be based on who seems to be the best team and so on and so forth instead we get this kind of wonderful chaotic Event that I think stands up there with. I was surprised in my research. March madness has the reputation as being the most chaotic and the most exciting and the most unpredictable will Event in in kind of the major sports but March madness ain't got nothing on baseball when it when it comes to you know the kind of Topsy Turvy of its playoff system. So Oh depending on where you stand. This could be an appreciation of the baseball playoffs. Or for all those Astros fans out there. We're probably give us one more game. Make it best of nine. You know all of that that this serves as just pay stuff happens in baseball and the play Osman counterpoint. Some of us are happy when just the regular season ends and we just pretend that the post yeah you tried tried to make this case to me the other day that you follow to one hundred sixty two games of the twins and then you're just like all right I'll turn the TV off. That's good nothing that happens. Afterward can alter exactly a regular season. Exactly exactly they're two different universes Sarah. You were born to root for English soccer. That's that's that's what you get over there. Well that was actually the point. I was making to my soccer hating friend. Neil here who that that. It's the soccer is giving me a better appreciation for how to understands. The twins and Vikings will their crossover between paper champs and actual champs is one hundred percent a year about I mean maybe Leicester City the year that they came out of nowhere would have had a lower ILLO rating by the end of the schedule. Then then some of the other teams but for the most part. Also because the crazy amounts of you know payroll inequality in the EPL. The best team start looking good and they play each other. You know one one time a piece home at home and then at the end whoever has the best record is the champ. And they're no paper Champs and the EPA for the most. No one has any fun there. There you go there you go. Didn't you read an article where we were looking at Alot Cross sports in the two thousand seven Patriots were actually the highest ranked team in. I think it might have been like one of those old old tiny Babe Ruth Yankee teams but it was like that Patriot team was better on paper than pretty much any any. NFL team or any team in recent decades. Yeah I think that's right Certainly they're they're the best. NFL team on paper of all time. And and there's something kind of amazing to that that you could say that they are the best team of all time and be right by a certain definition and yet at the same time. They didn't win the championship that year. Isn't that like crazy conundrum. The that that could only be produced in you know knockout sports sports settings. Yeah I feel like the the thing I'm taking away from this is if the Patriots lose in the AFC championship whoever knocks them out is GonNa win the Super Bowl and I should a lot of money on them. I guess if they end up as paper champs right as soon as you know I think the saints may have pass them in our yellow ratings This week so that one lost or if you get a saints Patriots Superbowl which we should have had last year. uh-huh shortly probably should add saints chiefs. I mean I think your point speaks to a when you were talking about college football. How Broken College football was and have desperate needed to play off? Because if you're not even you know playing the playoffs in in getting the the right champion as we saw you know numerous times you know pre CBS. Especially when all the teams aren't playing each other like they are in English soccer which isn't even a fair comparison. Yeah and I think sometimes maybe we put too much premium On head to head results where we because we can see it with our eyes we give it more weight than than other evidence if the preponderance of teams teams other. Common opponents had team being stronger than team B but team be bt may head to head. I think we would most fans and and even us as kind one of supposedly neutral observers would consider team be to be the better team you know because we've seen that outcome happened so I'm not saying everything should come down to head head to head but it is a little weird that in some of these college football season you have to. You have to dig into like six levels of common opponents

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Photographing Music's Icons | Danny Clinch

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Photographing Music's Icons | Danny Clinch

"You ever meet somebody and when you ask them what they do. They start to tell you and they're just full body looks like they can't actually believe they get to do this thing that they do for their life and the ever actually meet somebody and they've been doing that for decades and they still still feel the same way like it's play and the can't wait to do it. That is my guest today. Danny Clinch Danny is he probably wouldn't describe it this way but I will describe mihm as an iconic music photographer. He has literally toward with traveled with photographed nearly every major name in music for for the last couple of decades. It has become his life his consuming passion. He is also a musician who has had the incredible fortune to befriend many of these same people and and play on stage with them sometimes in organized way sometimes just in something that kind of magically comes together at the same time he's raised a family the pre much where he grew up which is Tom's river New Jersey and not too far away in the in the legendary. Sometimes he missed sometimes infamous now expanding quickly as very park in New Jersey home of the famous stone pony he decided that he wanted to create a space and give back and he has opened his own space called the transparent gallery that hosts all sorts of things from shows art to all sorts of musical circle acts bands singer songwriters and more recently collaborated with a group of friends to create the see here now festival which Combines Music and surfing and art all in one beautiful experience. He is a person who literally just is alive alive in every part of his life. It was my absolute pleasure to sit down with Danny and explore his early life. The big influences the seeming sliding liden doors that completely changed everything in a moment's notice and how he has crafted life he will tell you not entirely intentionally essentially that seems to fill every nook and cranny and makes it really good so excited to share this conversation with you. I'm Jonathan fields and this. It's good life project. So you want on your business to grow now. What well what if you had a single marketing platform does pretty much everything and grows with you literally at your fingertips. That is what what male chimps all in one marketing platform gives you so instead of having to bounce between any number of different platforms male chimps you manage more of your marketing activities from a a single place so you can market smarter and grow faster with less complexity and greater ease a pretty much eliminates the need for multiple tools by giving you everything you need to create publish manage and measure multichannel campaigns in one place and it's powered by a marketing crm so you can collect an organize understand and act on all of your audience data the complete marketing platform has everything you need to start marketing your business today and they'll be there to help you as your business snus grows and needs new capabilities now what mail chimp that's what learn more at MAIL CHIMP DOT COM I grew up my dad was a house painter and wallpaper hanger so very blue collar in this little community. We were about two miles. Maybe a mile and half two miles from a place called shelter cove which was a little beach like bay a Bay beach like right off the toms river over the Barney Bay that goes into into the ocean. Eventually and we were like a five minute ten minute car ride from seaside heights seaside aside park. We would go to leach kids. We were my mom was was always more interested in going to the beach than staying home and doing the dishes or whatever ever she'd be like. No we're going to the beach crate and so I wrote motorcycles lot when I was a kid. I we lived on a dead end street. My Dad was aggressor and and I had my first mini bike. When I was about five or six and I just started. I kept up in my game. I then had that Honda fifty. The with the folding handlebars had had a couple of those then I had an S. L. Seventy then I had my Honda Elsinore and then I you know I ended up racing a little bit of flat track motorcycles arista little I I started racing motocross and it was in like nineteen eighty one a junior in high school and that was the same year that they came out with the mono shock on the new motorcycles so all the rich kids had mono shock which was way way way better than a regular shocks on on the old motocross bikes which I had a nineteen seventy five Honda and I just like okay. That's that's not going to work for me. I can't afford the bike Mike and I was you know bouncing around like a like a jumping bean when everybody else was cruised over the the jumps and then I did some moto some flat flat tracking with a friend of my dad's which was really cool because he was a an Ama sanctioned racer American motorcycle association he had the leathers others he had the ball taco three sixty he was like my dad's age and he was going out to a small track that was not Amei sanctioned to erase on his bowl Taco three sixty in these smaller quarter mile tracks just to keep his chops up to keep yourself going for the bigger races in he wanted a sidekick to go down with help him get his bike out of the back of the truck this that the other thing super nice guy and he had a BSA BSA four forty one victor which is an old British motorcycle and the important thing when you're flat tracking is that the shifter is on the right hand side set dozens they can shift while you're in so he set me up to to to race you know and it was like the bike was too big big for me and Mike had to start in second gear because so much low end in it it was just it was just really fun. See like what sixteen seventeen years old this one. I think so might have been a little that might have been like seventeen or eighteen of doubt in your mind is something that you're thinking about doing as like okay. This is my thing you you know I grew up riding motorcycles and just was enjoying it was it was so much fun and you know I continued to ride motorcycles. You you know with my dad. You know we did some couple of trips out into the Mojave Desert where we would go to Las Vegas and Rent Arles and then just take a four day trip yep just wherever it took us we ended up in pioneer town out near Joshua tree that driving through Joshua Tree and stuff is pretty up. When was the first time he did something like that. uh-huh time you know it had to be like ninety. I feel like it was right around right before or right. After my son John was born and I can't remember it was like ninety five. You know something like that. I mean my dad and I wrote all the time together but we did that trip. It was kind of like a father and son thing and and it was really cool. We went with a friend of mine who is one of my mentors for photography. Timothy White photographer in increase and we went out and just had a great time and then we we did it twice and then you know it just has become a legendary trip. My Dad had nine. I asked my dad couple years ago so so so use the phrase Greece or a couple of times now the we're the same age so I totally get what you mean but when we were coming out there where the Jacksonville degreasers freaks and then they were like the handle it could move between the groups. I moved between the groups yeah. I was kind of saying what I hung out with. The burn outs we had the burnout jocks is really what it was and there are the you know the nerds grave and like I just I just moved in between clean all of them. You know I played soccer. was on the swim team and I loved playing soccer and swimming and then I just I became a lifeguard but I also ran with the crowd as well and yeah it was a lot of fun in you know when I was really young also got my my first camera by going to a was you know the church that we went to had their vacation. Bible school and about this church and they had a contest every year. Whoever bought the most kids along with them to the the you the summer camp whatever it was you had a little rocket that was a string and there was a rocket on the string and every time you bought someone your rocket get a little bit. Everybody had a nickname and my nickname was danny bones and because I was a skinny little kid right and so consequently when instagram came out and I had no idea what it was you know many years ago. They're like oh you create a name for yourself. So I put Danny bones sixty four the year I was born and and I just never changed. It and I actually like it but anyway I if you bought the most kids there was a pile of gifts there or awards rewards whenever you get to pick was on the pile you know and I had my eye on the fishing pole and as it went along I long story short I came in second and I was hoping that the guy who beat me or Gal who anyway they took the fishing pole and so I was like camera constellation. I have to be very successful fisherman right now as the story goes but you know the the that camera ended up a recall on the dashboard of my mom's car and it just melted one night when day when we went to the Beach Sunrise cameras did and I still took pictures and I think that's informed my photography. That's amazing was when you start taking pictures as with. I mean so you get the camera this. It wasn't like Oh my God. I'm drawn to this thing. I have to get a camera. GonNa save up for it and it was this was just completely luck of the draw to a certain extent it it was but I was already drawing all the time and and I was like Y- member like they would have like forget was in the TV guide where you could draw like skipping. Keep either dear whatever I can't remember what it was but you can draw character on there and then send it in and they would say well. You should go to art school right. Maybe you shouldn't you know. I was in that was into that I was into painting in our and and my mom everything and and you go to my mom's house right now and there's a closet that that is literally full of photo albums old school you know when our photo you know trump stewart are developed and just books and books and books and I go in there sometimes when I'm at the House and we're in a big family gathering and I've all talked out and stuff. I just I go in the back and they're like where's Danny and back. They're going through all these photos to in the closet with all the albums and they're so much fun and now I just whip out my iphone own and take a photo of my buddy from when we were kids. I feel like we missed because we're coming up. That's how you to picture. I you got him back. In the Lund blowpipes. Let them open you had the negatives and then you had like the prince you know and then as soon as you could you got the album and you place a man you put the little cellophane over and then they would just either either vanish forever every once in a while you go back and I feel like there's something that nobody print stuff anymore. It's all just hey we're. GonNa my phone. There's something kind of magical just can settling into it like an old chair with his album on your lap and just going page by page like the physical tangible secure taking the journey again and so beautiful. Just give me an idea. Thank you yeah so my mom was always taking photos and then I found out well I new my grandfather. My Mom's dad always took photographs and he was an engineer so my my mom lived up in Clifton and then she would go down to Madison new New Jersey for a in the summer. They had a summer house there right so for those who don't know the Dow two hours away. Yeah Yeah Yeah and so my dad was classic from the other side of the tracks. You know never finished eighth grade was kind of like a not a troublemaker but like didn't follow the rules you know in so anyway they met and you know my mom got pregnant and maybe this is too much information for if my mom's listening but no but anyway they met and my mom got pregnant. My sister was born. They were young than I came along and anyway my point was they were from two very different worlds and so my grandfather my mom's Dad Dad was an engineer. He took care of things. He bought things once and he took care of them. You know that was his. Mo You know they hey my grandmother. They were born in nineteen fourteen and they like lived through the depression really took care of things and my Dad's side of the family was like they were they were poor. They didn't have anything to take care of didn't know how to take care of anything and and so the the the interesting thing is that I found out later on when I had a discussion with my dad about all the family photos they had like first of all. They didn't avenue money. Photography had to be expensive then you had to pay for everything or developing house and I was like well I see all the family photos and there are a lot of them and I said well who's taken those photos and he said well. Your grandfather was taken them buddies in them. He's in the photos and he's like well look at look at his hand his hand uh always behind his back because he would run fishing string from the camera are now to you the and he would just click it off and get the family together other in click it off and like. I was like the Oj Selfie Duffy and I thought Damn Gordon Clinch coming up with the SELFIE but so turned out both of my my my grandparents took US interestingly enough and my Dad's side of the family historically was very creative his brother his sister my dad and they all were like Family Business House painters might my dad had his brother and then he he had like four sisters but anyway my dad and my uncle were house painters so as my grandfather man so you have these sort of different traditions in different family throws but every it's kind of interesting almost everything comes together around capturing moments you know and and and productivity and bring when for you does photography become something more was it earlier. This happened later. you know it became something more well well. You know interesting enough like I started carrying a camera everywhere in my boy so I had that little camera then after that camera crapped out I bought another camera from a yard sale and then my grandfather gave me his Ishita is called. The Chico links one thousand. I remember it's Brown leather case. He took care of everything as I said it was a beautiful camera of course I who knows what happened to it and he gave me that Cameron it was arranged find very much like the Leica that I carry around so I was able. I learned to use the range finder when I was you know young and and and then I my buddy across the street was one of those kids who you know got a job when he was really young always worked hard and he always had stuff because he had a job and we were all like you know I mean he was like thirteen and he bought he bought a camera and then he bought guitar and we are all like Damn Stephen you know he he never used the camera and like Monday. I was okay man. I camera and he's like yeah sure and I just gotTa Sleep. I'm sorry Stephen and so I started taking photos all the time and then I was a big music fan so I started going to concerts and one of the I times it became something more for me was some friends of mine. Were big fans of Ted nugent right. We were like in high school will they. Were Ted heads. We everybody just call them the to Ted heads it was you know Arkan Ed and they they just love Ted. Nugent is all about and so I I found out Ted nugent was going to play at six flags great adventure which is in Jackson. New Jersey and I got a ticket I took my camera and I went there and photographed the Ted nugent show and then I came back I processed film and I blew up some big poster size. You know for ten bucks you could send it out and they give you a big poster coaster. Ted nugent and I sold them to the guys like me and I I so it was interesting. So that was kind of like Oh. I can actually make money doing this and then there's of course that moment in your life that we all have with your parents. Go okay well. What are you GonNa. Do you know what do you want to do for living and my father had never finished eighth grade and he always regretted he always felt like he was at a disadvantage because he didn't have you know proper for education and he said whatever you WanNa do. I don't care what it is. You know I will help you make it happen. If you want to go to school I'm going to make it happen and and he did and I ended up. I did look at a lot of the big photography schools and I did look at school of visual arts and things like that and you really intimidated me and I ended up in Boston and looking at a school called the New England School of Photography which was a a trade school basically a lot of veterans a lot of people who wanted to be commercial photographers are wedding photographers but I went up there and I felt very comfortable there. It was very blue collar the dark rooms where like not perfect you know you go to school of. Visual Arts and everything was all shiny dialed in and everybody was so cool there and I was like well. I think I'll go up here. You know and it was a lot easier on the pocket book. I think for my parents so so I went there and I loved my met. You know lifelong friend there. I had a great experience. One of the cool things was that one of my instructors Susan Wilson and was a photographer for the Boston Globe and she covered the music section and so when we were doing assignments. It's and I said you know everybody was going out and photographing like homeless people. Are you know their parents and stuff like that like I said I wanNA. Go find a rock the band and hang out with them as she was like. Oh cool you know and I really felt like I don't know if it was another teacher. Maybe would have been different for you know or or maybe not but she encouraged me anyway and I started to hang out with a couple of bands there up in Boston just like oh bands upped upped specifically bang called. Rick Berlin the movie and he was in a band called Berlin airlift came up really with the talking heads and they played played with the talking heads on double bills and probably played. CBGB's and all that and rick is just a very eccentric guy really oh he cool and great songs and never never got the nod you know as people people do and so it was exciting. I hung out with them. In the recording studio. The I went to their gigs I remember jumping in Van with them like for the first time in driving out to you know Cambridge or something for some gig and it was so exciting and they were they were very visual joie banned. It was a big band at had three or three backup. Singers like Qatar player was super cool looking like I just man. I really loved it. Yeah I mean. It sounds like it's the it's the coming of to sounds like you were also a big fan of music just geno absolutely and which is Kinda funny too 'cause like back then we're talking like late eighties early nineties right. This was also Kinda. Be Era issues like this was a weird timing music actually 'cause you've got eighty. It was like eighty four four to mid eighties yet yeah because I went two years to a community college in County College and then I did the two years in Boston so it was he tweeted it was eighty eighty eighty four eighty five dash because we're coming out of the the days of of pass classic rock were coming out of the days of kiss and like a big hyper visual. Sumer shows come into hair metal the big hair bands and for me like a little more of like Weird Indie rock doc you know like till Tuesday dolphins and you know a pen call that one positive and like three colors and morphine like that and new way like Long Island wwl the hot new wave station and of course a flock of seagulls all like yeah. That's was kind of like talking heads. It was cool yeah. It's interesting because it sounds like you're sick when you tell the story of certainly jumping in a band with him traveling around it's like you're telling the photographer side of like the main character and almost famous right to a certain extent right. You're just like your eyes are bugging out and you're like yeah this. This is cool and then all the people that you admired you know growing up like you know the early Annie Leibovitz photos and Henry Dealt San Jim Marshall and Bob Gruen and stuff and you're you're like you're like you're seeing those images flash before your eyes are like or behind your eyes you know like and you're trying to you know take got photo. That felt like that moment that you saw you know of you know. 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You know so did did you feel and maybe to this day do feel all attention between just being hyper present in the moment of the music and in this other thing where it's like okay. I'm I can't be fully present because part of my brain is thinking. How do I capture this. You know maybe early on because you really are over thinking it and you're trying to like you know like these days. I almost feel like I'm part of if strangely I I feel like I and I don't mean in a way. I'm trying to insert myself anything. which is I feel like you're part of the ban and you know you're like part of the like? This is my instrument and and I play music as well so I I like. I can feel the build up. I like I can like like I'm. I'm just like you know if I was like I play harmonica and a blues band and a lot of time I lay out I lay out a layout layout and then you see you feel it building up and you see your little spot and you get in there and you get it and then you get out you know and I've never really thought of it like verbalised it but but that's kind of in a way that happens you know on there with my camera and you know I now have a you know a sick accents of like when the Shit's going to happen you know and I can anticipate and I kind of lay out so that I'm not in people's way so I'm hiding in the shadows and and when I feel like it's building up and I need to get out in there and and you know I'm allowed often. I'm allowed on the stage behind the drum kit or behind the amplifier are which is something that's take me years to develop the trust of people to allow you to do that and then you know you can get this really unique point of view and and so it's exciting you know. I it's exciting to be part of an and I like being in the middle of it versus having a super super long lens and being across the room. You know so so when your backup. Dawson show traveling around with bands and you're coming back from US to your program for your program at Boston two year right so it comes time where you actually you're done with that. You know so. There's a decision okay. So where am I going to hell this yeah so I came back in my girlfriend at the time. WHO's now my wife Maria was going into. Fit and like I had I was also working out a one hour photo and I was like lifeguarding between college and then I also was working out at one hour photo. Oh and the guy this Guy Jack Boesky had one hour photo studio in the back and when I got done with college on he said to me my guy my portrait guy just quit and I know this isn't what you WanNa do but here's the keys if you do the every once in a while engagement photo family portrait you know whatever kid photos I'll just give you the keys as you can photograph whatever you want in the studio and I'll pay you you know I was like great so he gave he gave me the studio and I photographed there you know family portraits and all that stuff in and in my my girlfriend at the time was at fit and she did a study abroad and like where I come from. I was really the first in my family I think to go to college. You know my mom went to nursing school and my my grandfather other of course but like in our immediate family. Just people didn't go to college. There are blue collar on my dad's side especially and that's where the bigger part of the family was in and so I didn't know you can study abroad. I didn't know you could do anything like that. And I was like wow she went to study like Shakespeare or something in London and I was like wow that's cool an i. I started to think what could I do like that. That would be something exciting and I decided to do photographic workshop which I highly highly encourage anybody to do because you go to this workshop and it's all like minded people who are interested in photography and and you know there's a lot of common conversations going on inspiration is often so I looked around and I found this workshop. It was the ansel Adams Gallery workshop was in your sanity wow and it was any bits and David Hockney. Oh my gosh and I believe that they told any that David was doing and then they told avenue and the they both showed up and there were there were two other photographers I should research it and find out who they work yeah because it's unfair not to mention them but I pretty much skipped out on everybody's class and went to Annie's and David's you know understand seventy was was in yosemite and I honestly didn't really know who David Hockney was. I had to do a little research but he had just put out that book of Polaroid's so he's a photographer. Are you know so and I knew Anne. Anne was like my hero. She's near based also yeah so I go out there and I do the friends of photography and then I book another workshop after that call them. The photograph is a document and that was at friends of photography which was also an answer. It was in Carmel L. California. It was also an ansel Adams affiliated thing he wasn't alive anymore but it was very exciting and so anyway do the workshop with Anne and her for assistant a guy named Dave rose and I kind of hit it off and like I was help in the mail and this and that and like sort of towards the end of the the workshop he said you know and he's looking for an intern at her studio and after that I was going to go to l. a. and I was Gonna go see if I could get an internship like I was like I thought out of anti I thought of like her Brits and a bunch of other people that I had in mind and so I had a trip planned after the workshops. I like another week or so and in California which I had never been to so. Dave said she told me you know keep my eye out for someone who would be a good a good intern here in you know. I mentioned you and she agreed and she you know before she asks you. I wanted to know you you know you're interested in interning the studio studio. New York. I was like oh just check my calendar and I happened to be free forever and then she asked me you know to intern at the studio and absolutely so my whole then I went to and did the photograph as a document which was I think it was who was Bruce Davidson and it was ought to come back to it and then after that I didn't have to worry about getting a job. I got to go and enjoy hang with friends and Californian's like came back to New York. I started started sweeping floors getting coffee making coffee running errands all working with Anne and then I ended up working my way up to basically traveling with her as one of her assistance in working on like incredible stuff like the American Express campaign and you know like Bruce springsteen tunnel of love record you know photographing graphing in excess and Ella Fitzgerald and like I mean it was it was awesome and and she's she is a taskmaster and she doesn't settle for any silliness and she means business you know and I really learned a lot from her and and she was just a huge inspiration from me and you know as far as stories I recall we would be doing a GIG and I was on staff and we hired a lot of freelance people because her productions were big and people come come in and they'll be like you know we'd be on a four-day. GIG like you know shooting this. GIG or whatever and not you know second day in you know working our butts off and like you know just really like back in those days pre-digital like she would pay there are the client would pay the lab to stay open at night for us and we would have a full shoot day and then we'd come back and we would do a film test and we would test every film different batches of film all with five different filters warming filters and then we keep the lab open till two in the morning we would run the run the shit we go back we go to sleep. We get up early before she came in. We would lay out all the film and she would get okay. We're shooting this filter on this batch of film you know in this light and this batch of film filter on another whatever the different situations where that we're we're. GonNa do it was crazy and so what we would say like okay so and so we'll. We'll see tomorrow same time guy now. I'm not coming back civic every day. Leading like twenty percents recruiters like well now finally one guy pulled me aside and he's like Danny Danny what he's listening I work with so and so and we work nine to five photograph beautiful models we drink wine at lunch should come work with us. That sounds awesome but I belong here and I just I stuck it out and it was it was it was really great. It opened a lot of doors for me. Her agent also worked with Steven Meisel and I worked a Stephen Mozelle another lead another legend fashion photographer. I learned so much from him and funny enough is as much as I felt like. My inspiration has always been anti you know big inspiration coming up. I learned a real lot from Stephen. Even you know his approach is very simple and even as a fashion photographer. It's like it got more complicated. Things went on but his his approach was very simple. It was very avid on influenced and and not only did I learn how to light things in the studio like beautiful poetry lighting he saw natural light existing light in a very interesting way and it was like really eye-opening to me that he would take a chance and shoot a very long shutter speed at night like as the light was disappearing on a rooftop and he would just go for it and then I would see it and be like wow I would never have shot in their light you know and and so that was exciting and I worked with Mary. Mark who's a great one of the master documentary photographers and then of course my friend Timothy White Great Mentor you know for me as well yeah so I mean edge going. You have this stunning experience. I mean you go from you know a kid in Watertown in New Jersey Z. You know to this place in Boston. Bob and around in the back of a van with a couple of people trying to make it as musicians and I mean it's so interesting rushing to me. I'm I'm fascinated with the concept of sliding doors. We've talked about a handful of times on the podcast like people who drop into your life or moments where you make a choice. You know so it's almost like this. I I wonder you had your then girlfriend. Now wife not decided to do a semester overseas. How profoundly Allen Lee different might be right now because that was the thing that made you say well. What am I going to do that leads you that that takes you out to. Yosemite that gets you meeting Anna which which brings you back to New York with steep zoo in this one of the icons in the business and then send you on this trail working with this series of other icons and there are certain certain people who I mean. I wonder if you feel the same in where I asked that question. I'm like could be profoundly different then. There's something inside of me that says somehow in some way. I wonder if there's just something inside of you. That would have gotten you to a substantially similar place because it was something inside that just it was finding its way out your the on way or another and maybe this was the particular way but either way of landed either. Well people say to me. Of course they're like oh my gosh. You're so so lucky you you know got to work with any leaps and I was like well. No I was lucky I wasn't. I wasn't home watching TV eaten cheetos and she called me. You know I was like out there. Making stuff happen is like you know somebody said to me recently the harder. I work the luckier sure I get you know like I'm like yeah kind of yeah so you know I'm working hard and fortunate because I you know and I and I learned that from my parents. My Dad was a workaholic and any at a great time when he loved what he did. He loved hanging wallpaper where he loves painting. He loved to work hard and because when he was off he liked play harder like to have a good time. He always had time for the kids. He was always a jokester. You're in and he's in fact just a legend in our community and our family and everybody that knew him because he was that kind of guy and he always had time for everybody buddy he always will. He and my mom always given back to the community. All my cousins all the black sheep in my family and all the black sheep of our friends family family. They lived at our house. They got kicked out of their house. They lived there downstairs in. We were better for you know our life experiences that you know that the give back that we from my mom to this day she's like thirty years in working at the local soup kitchen you know and it's just you know those are the people that informed my growing up. I mean it's interesting to also to see that value said and then also exist in this world of these super high hands super exclusive lucid people who are at the absolute top of their field. people are lining up to work with them very often being paid an astonishing amount of money also also and working with subjects who are some of the most famous people in the world in sort of like knowing that you know you're living in this world world for this moment in time during the day but you come from this other world with a very different value set of difference really lens on the world and then trying to figure out I again. How do we make my life so that these together in a way that feels good to me. Yeah I mean you sent me off on a daydream. You know like like when 'cause because that's what I think about all the time you know it's like his like I'm home with my family and it's it's so incredible and then I'm off with veteran Barcelona photographing for a project we were working on together and I'm just like this is incredible and it's like it's like I don't know to balance that out because it's such a high to be out with you know someone like ed or with like my I'm warning jacket or Bruce springsteen or whoever it might be preservation hall jazz band and those have been the really the most valuable things I got out of my career or friendships with people that are super creative and not even just the artists themselves but the guitar tech's in the managers and publicists and the just good people that tend to be drawn to music is is really incredible. It's incredible buzz to know those people in the hang out with them and you know there's so much creativity following and goodness and then you know home and I you just get to settle into my family and like that life as well so I feel really blessed. Da I mean it's interesting. You describe the people in the industry that way also because so much much of what you would hear in popular conversation is not framing them in that way telling a different story is. Tony Different of it was a story of Wanda Story of extravagance extravagances story of greed and power and an access. You know what's interesting. Is You from the inside out from from what you see out and from the lens that that you shoot when you look at her image as you see the story in the images that you shoot that you just told not the ones you see differently. I don't think so many people are drawn to your images. Maybe I can speak for so many people. I'm so drawn images just because they reveal so much shared humanity you could be shooting something in the most surreal big giant extravagant. We're having an arena or something like that but there's something about what you captured that is almost simple inhuman humid you know th the moment. I wonder how much of that comes from you well. I I think think it is about about moments and I think it's about eradicating what images you choose to show the world and and like I am into the intimacy of it in the relationships of the band's you know amongst themselves the relationship between them and the audience the relationship between them and the venue or the relationship this ship them in their instrument and things like that and I also feel like I'm drawn to people who are you know some of these folks and I know I know them. You know well like they're not a lot of them in from the outside it may not appear that way but I honestly feel like a lot. You know sure they're I mean. They're grateful and they're superwealthy being like I think some of them are uncomfortable with it. You know like uncomfortable with the amount of money they're making for. What the amount of fun they're having and and like the people that I'm drawn to the one the friendships that I've collected and I'm careful to say who my friends are but the ones that are my friends like there. ARE PEOPLE THERE. They're giving back to their community. You know I mean the Dave. Matthews band the list of charities. If you go on their website it's in the hundreds like they give back so much to their community and then he does farm aid and he you know so look you know. Willie Willie Nelson Given back all the time Jack Johnson you know creating Hashtag be. Yo bottle bring your own bottle like to protect the you know single use plastic Jackson Browne on Bruce springsteen given back the Eddie vedder fish with their with their foundation allegation. I I would hate to leave man. There's many and those are the people that I ended up becoming friends with strangely and the inspire me to give back to the community and and you know I have a gallery and Asbury park called the transparent calorie and it was generally it was literally pop up gallery that was offered to me from I star who built the Asbury hotel on his building a lot in in Ashbury Park and really helping the community come back and we do a lot of community events therefore for the local high schools and colleges and they do a field trips to the gallery of for you know the underserved community whether it's a photography class or young mothers there's a there's a in that area. There's a one of the call one of the high schools allows the the young mothers to to go to school and continue school and bring their kids to school on all that stuff so we do a lot of that for the community and you know between being inspired by what Pearl Jam does for their community and what my mom and dad have always done for their Canadian. I'm just I'm just kinda fallen in their footsteps and and you know it's I I mean I think it's it's a great influence on me and I really kind of gravitate towards people like that. Just just super cool in my opinion yeah. No it definitely seems like it. Hiring can be a slow process cafe alturas. CEO Dylan Moskowitz need to hire a director of coffee for his Organic Coffee Coffee Company but he was having trouble finding qualified applicants so he switched to Ziprecruiter Ziprecruiter doesn't depend on candidates finding you. It finds them for for you. 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It's okay wh- eventually we'll piece it all together. You know you know we can start out with if you starting in the career and working with any and muzzle and these guys and and then you're probably last twenty years or so you know really the body of work that you you stepped into and built. is is in the world of music. You know like photographing and film right so not just talked at this point to music in the world of musicians. What is it like because you could have gone in so many different directions with the background that you had you could have been brought. The could've just the wide and said like I'm GonNa do fashion new music. I'm GONNA do travel. I'm going to do whatever comes my way that your input but you made a very deliberate a decision to say like this is my thing and I'm curious. Did you actually make that decision was just happened that to be honest because you know the people that I admire. Are you think about any Li bits and Richard Avedon Irving Penn would be good examples of this type of photographer. You know they solved all sorts of photographic problems. Let's say on they did fashion they photographed presidents and and great artists and actors and they did still life and they've all they've all sort of went out and were really weren't pigeonholed their portrait photographers in doing doing that specifically. I am. I feel like you know I of course wanted to be you know Irving Penn or any Liebowitz and just been like you know I go out and shoot something for Dr and then I come back and photograph you know Bruce Springsteen or you know something like that and like I chase chase that and I and I still I still do but I I just was so drawn to music. I I'm just such a big fan of music and they're like my people you know now and so after a while. I just stopped worrying about it for a long time. I'm trying not to pigeonhole myself as a music photographer but after a while it's like I got I got my start in hip hop. I did the nozzle matic. You know I did Pete One early. Pete Rock Casino smooth records. I did the dark side record by Red Man and a lot of like obscure not obscure to hip hop fans but oh see and big Al Capone Noriega Heavy d blue funk and I like like I started doing that and then that sort of segues into the rock and roll musicians of that time smashing pumpkins the Chili Peppers Perry Farrell they all loved left hip hop so I when my portfolio went across their eyeballs and they saw oh man he photographic public enemy run DMC like whatever and that stuff open doors for me there and then I segue into Johnny cash and Willy Nelson Springsteen Pearl Jam and so I I are kind of opened up and got these great opportunities through a lot of really awesome assignments to everyone from Tony Bennett to Metallica in now and everything in between and I love that that's something I'm really proud of that. I have never been pigeonholed into one genre of music and you know that's opened the door to really anybody that photograph. I and I've done I photographed. You know sports figures. I did you know Lionel Messi and a guero and like all these great soccer players. I'm I'm a big fan of soccer and and and I did the US basketball team the last Olympics and all these people is very interesting their connection his music like if you want to connect with somebody you talk about you know what what's your what. What music are you listening to and I I find a way you know humbly to say like Yeah I did this. I did nozzle matic. I did the first Kanye West record. you know and people are like what and I also did like this legendary to pock photograph to like. There aren't a ton of great to pock photographs out there and can. I have one of them and it's quite fun really to to show somebody this photo and we're having a conversation about. Maybe what what might pass is what I've done in hip hop or this that and I go you on. I took this photo and watch the expression as you like what Gary Clark Junior got to photograph Gary and we became friends and before where we were. We really got to know each other. We were with a mutual friend and and he goes hey. Did you show Gary. The you know you're putting your book together and you show me those two pock images and Gary. He's like what two bucks to park what what and like. Oh Yeah I pulled out my phone and I scroll through. I showed him the photos and I heard that poster hanging on my wall the kid and so anyway music has allowed me. It's a great entry to anyone I photograph and and when I did actually when I photograph Lionel Messi I brought a bunch of my music photos and I I literally printed them up really big and laid them out on a table and when his creative director came over I said I want to show you the images that got me this job and it was iggy. Pop it was to poke you know you to Bruce Springsteen Green Day or something you know and the guy went through and he was like Oh my God like you took out to puck voter yeah. Oh in new to comes to town. I take Bano around downtown and you know it went from getting like five minutes. Literally I flew to Barcelona. They have five minutes with Lionel Messi. It went from five to ten minutes and like it's a huge difference. Not Double Your time and it's just the power of music in many ways is strong. Yeah it will especially especially in you and through it's funny. I can see 'cause we're hanging out in the studio together and people can probably hear it in your voice but when you when you talked about music and musicians and your love it's like you physically just become super animated come alive. It's almost like I mean do. Do you feel like you're almost like a kid playing. I mean yes. It's hard work but when you wake up okay so I get to go out and do these two who things I love you like I get I get to take my camera you know and that was started to a certain extent through my mom through my grandpa and that first saying that he passed down and then and then go out into the world and like do this thing that I love and be around. These people were but the fact that I'm actually getting paid to be here and do this. I would pay anything to be here and do this. You should see the long line of people that are like. I'll carry your yeah. I do feel that way and I I feel like you know in a sense. I'm like I'm documenting like musical history history some a documentary photographer you know and it's hard to tell your kids to go out and work hard when they see their father's like having the time of his life doing his job and I'm like listen I waited tables to and I washed dishes and I you know slept gear and all that sort of stuff but I I'm honored to do it and you know back to that other question of of like I've settled into being a music photographer and I think about it and I think you know one of the things I always say is music is is medicine. You know it it is it's it's like it. You know you celebrate with music. You get through hard times with music. You know you hear a song and it brings you back to a great time in your life or whatever and like like when I realized that that's when I realized that I didn't care to be pigeonholed as a music photographer necessarily and I'm fine with if that's going to be my I my legacy you know I'm all for it and I've stretched out out of it you know making films and and other things and like I said photographing graphing actors and musicians and doing some other projects but I'm good with it because I think music is is so important in people's lives lives and you know somebody if you know if I can share that work with people and like I always started taking photographs and sneak in my camera and into shows shows I mean as a teenager you know when you went to a show with me. He knew a couple of things one. You're going to have to Shovel Lens Down Your Pants. I was GONNA shove the body down my pants and Maria was gonna take all the film and put it in a purse and then we would meet inside so you knew that part and then you knew I was GonNa grab all my shit. Put it together and I'll that'd be like at the end of the show because I was going down and photographing you know it just is an obsession for me and continues to be just and I love rolling up at a concert or you know wherever I go with my camera and if a moment's GonNa Happen. I'm going to grab it. You know and sometimes you you may not know whether I'm getting paid or not because because sometimes getting another way you pay just because anything you can't do. It's kind of a magical place to be in. I mean to be able to build your living that way is is a real gift. Before we came to the studio. We were just chatting a little bit about we both have daughters and about the same age and you're sharing that sounds like she's starting to get the Bug A. Bit also yeah yes she feel like it would happen to her by accident and I and and you know probably something that people people talk about a lot is instagram and you know cameras like everybody's got a camera now. You don't have to know anything about photography. You can just take a picture whether it's with a digital camera. That's got autofocus everything or if you have your phone right and you know. I've always felt really grateful that I can walk down the street. No matter where I am and see beautiful light coming through a window shadow a shaft of light light the way this pattern is on the thing and like like I always felt so grateful that when I walk down the street I can appreciate those things and I think with with the change in everybody having a phone and people starting to share their images online that people are learning to appreciate that stuff more than they they ever did and I find that to be a positive and I think that my daughter Nina kind of you know she shooting on her phone. I was like you you know day. I'm like she sees the light really well composition and like I see she's takes a bunch of pictures and then like I see her choices of the pictures that she likes and I'm like she's made the right choice in my opinion and and so she started to get into photography and she said you know camera that I can use them. I I gave for a digital Snapshot Camera that I had in or I bought her one for her birthday and she you know beat that up until it didn't work any longer and then I handed her this little contacts T. three which is really a sweet camera. doesn't you might not know it if you didn't know it just looks like a regular. Snapshot Camera But it's a film camera with a very sharp lands and and just create beautiful photographs and she started shooting and I see just a natural I like you. You know people. It's pretty simple. Most of the time people either either get it or they don't you know and you can see when somebody gets. It and I feel like she's getting it. which is Kinda cool but she's she's told me that she she doesn't really have an interest in pursuing photography necessarily but she's interested in you know in marketing and social media as most kids? Are you know it will continue to be a help in her storytelling whether she does it professionally. Oy or just on her social media whatever yeah I I think it's so amazing also to my daughter has an interest photography also and she shoots both digital and film and I think it's so fascinating as a parent to see the world the way your child sees it you know because it's just the it's like like you said the way they frame a photograph the things that they choose to put in and to keep out the ingles news. It doesn't just tell oh you about you know the way they want. The shot it it gives you sort of like this hint into the way that they actually see the world what they see what they don't see in how how they see it as a parent. I've noticed it's it's a real gift. You know to just sort of sit back and look at you. Know your kids. Pictures not not just for like okay but she just kind of like Oh so this is for a moment I can kind of see the way they're seeing the world and all and at that age they're just there. Just aren't any rules yet. You know and it's there. They haven't settled into a particular her style or like you're still taking chances. You're still figuring it out and it's nice. It's just you know it's Kinda like that thing like law. I'm not artistic like show me your joins when you were a kid. I bet there are pretty good. You know and you know it's before people enforce rules on you. The U you brought up the gallery and Asbury Park as we like it is was injury was forty five minutes. From where are you grew up. Basically our from where you grew up so pretty close to home as paper also has a pretty powerful history a rough and tumble also big music town yeah but it and it's been through its times yeah I mean I grew up around there and like when I was a kid if we went to the Stone Pony you stayed out of the rest of the town and then you know of course there's the legend of Bruce springsteen and then there's you know basically it was shit down for the longest longest time and there's a lot of you know starts and stops and you know where you thought you thought it was. GonNa take off and you're wondering how could this not come back. It's like it's in between two really really wealthy enclaves of of the Jersey shore and then it just like on each side it stops and it's just like is just like scary you know and and of course as I remember you know you go to the convention hall there and the Paramount Theater and inconven- engine hall aside from the Springsteen thing all the great rock and roll bands of the sixties played there the stones the WHO then doors Janice Janice Joplin pink floyd they all play their everybody but the Beatles they all you Zeppelin. It's all it's all there you know then. I used to bring brock bands down to Asbury Park when they would say like it'd be like in the nineties and it's like no. We want something greedy but we don't really WANNA WANNA do like New York City Gritty like we want to do something a little different and I'd be like oh I got the spot and we would you know I'd say in Asbury Park where we'd all jump in a van and go to Asbury a park and literally would have the whole city of Asbury Park to ourselves him. Be Nobody there nobody and just killer architecture real the Patina like old buildings and you could some were boarded up somewhere just beautiful old it was great and so I continued to go there over vern over and you know and then I would come back and I go to the stone pony in them like I started you know chasing every photo op I could and I was like obsessed with capturing different musicians and you know it was always looking for Bruce springsteen at the Stone Pony and you know never see him you know and then of course I went this past weekend my friend Nsa we're playing with Gary Talent. WHO's in the band the Bob and Mike del Avantis they they were one of the first bands I photographed when I finished working with Anne I was living in hoboken and my roommate there turned me onto the delegates. At the time the band was called. Who's your daddy and and we remained friends. They were like one of the first bands I photographed. You know for publicity and they are playing Gary talent so I was like I'm going to go to the show. They're opening then. I decide Johnny and southside. Johnny just puts on rock and reducing always a great show. It never gets old. It's such a great rhythm and Blues Band. It's incredible and I get there. Look over there. As Bruce and Bruce hasn't done a sat with southside Johnny and about ten years a you know a set of no like along set and hadn't played in stone in many years and and next thing you know. Y- Bruce is up there with a full. RN BE BANNED HORNS. You know South side had two of them are like thick as thieves. They've been doing it forever and they're just like throwing it down and it was kind of epic and so I I ended up getting this opportunity to have this gallery and it was basically like I didn't want it to be a white glove gallery. I if I was going to do it I wanted it to be like a community kind of space like a real great hang space and so so I I I said look. I'll do it but you know. Oh can we can. We do something cool like I'd like to have. I want to have a back line on a drum kit. You know Bass Guitars amplifiers ars just WANNA put down like oriental rugs on the floor. I WANNA like really vibrant out like they have these huge windows and we we WANNA put like vinyl imagery in the windows so that when you drive by at night its glowing for. It's like a light big light box or in the daytime. When you're inside is a big light box and they were like they're like yeah? Let's do it you know we'll we're ready to do this and and ironically a friend of ours Maria an I. Tina Caracas had a kind of a showroom on the boardwalk that where she sold secondhand the hand like mid century modern furniture she had like you know albums in milk crates and like cool art on the wall and just like really awesome style very personable noble woman and really cool and I was like Hey She just lost her release in her spot and I said let's just combine this yet right will bring it in there and you know you run the gallery. It's only a couple of months but let's do. Let's do this. She was like yeah so we we bought all her furniture in there and the place really just shaped up into this very cool place to hang out and she was. She's not precious about the furniture. Even though it's for sale like you could sit it on the couches and like everybody's hanging out and people are bringing you know a bottle of wine in there and then we like my friend. Rachel Dobkin who I met when we we had our first live music event there said like I know a lot of local musicians like you want me to organize some music next weekend and I was like sure and and so she's like all these young bands low lie Mercury Brothers Cranston Dean Pam Florez like and just you know Mattie car. Luckily all these cool people would just come over and do like you know forty minutes set or whatever and then like I would sit in with some of the bands you know play my harmonica and just have a great time and so long story short is like after the three months. We're up like wow. This is Kinda cool. You know like why don't you stick around and we stuck around and we started doing those community events. I was telling you about and like you know and then people started getting word that we were there and we literally would get emails and or phone calls from all over the world you know like a lot of Italians you know the people from Spain and even Australia's and they'd be like you know they know that I have relationship with springsteen and I got Pearl Jam fish official. I've got Dave Matthews and food fighters and they will be like you know. We're making a trip from you. Know Italy in you know you're going to be open and so would we. You know so long. Story Short is it's been three years and we've been there and they love having us there and it works for us. It works for them and subsequently it's helped me get this music festival off the ground that I my friend Tim Donnelly and and I had had in our back pocket for many years like we we were doing small like Art Music Surf Jeff Events on the boardwalk when it was fairly empty before as Berry started to take off you can take your pick and say can we throw a little party in this in this you know little off the office space right on the boardwalk and we would have you know musicians in you know surfers are and you know we just have a big. We hang there and we called it see here now and my friend. Tim came up with the ideas guy. He's got a great head for that kind of stuff and then we it went so well. His things started to build Asbury Park. We thought what a great to do a music festival on the Beach Will See here now surfing music Zik art right and m so another friend of a friend of ours. HMO woman who is like used to manage my chemical romance and worked at q priming it was like a really good business sense and was a surfer and a big music fan we teamed up and we were like let's put a deck together and let's start pitching this thing and we took it out. We pitched it everywhere and we got some people. That's cool idea well yeah work. I you know and and then ran into my friend. Tim Sweet would who works at C. Three who puts on Paul a Palooza and Austin city limits and that and we had just seen Mumford and sons another band that gives back to community and they did this thing called gentlemen of the road and they did it in seaside New Jersey right after sandy and right after we had a big fire down there a couple years ago and the came in and they put on a concert there because they knew it would bring a lot of money to the community and when they did they came through and it was very boutique. It was very cool. It was curated in a great way in the bands that they chose. HOS were bands that we love that we felt and it was it went over really well and we were like we we. We were reinspired mentioned. It's tim sweet would and he was the the only person to say to us. So you know yeah that's pretty cool. Let me come to Asbury Park and have a look that he came down and he looked around and it's beautiful. It's Art Deco Go. It's on the beach and we WANNA do in September. The weather's always beautiful and there had been concerts there before and they were much bigger than what we wanted to do and so he basically bought it to his partners at C. Three we decided to do it and our first year we put twenty five thousand people people almost twenty five thousand people on the beach there three stages we had Jack Johnson was very surf. You Know Oriented Music Art Jack Johnson Yet incubus we had g love and Ben Harper Alec and then we went in like younger like milky chance and Kalaheo and we had blondie and we had some reggae with the wailers social distortion and this now like really a nice kind of mix and we also had male and female pro pro surfers there who would surf during the day while the bands were playing and it was called expression sessions and they go in they were you know who could be the most entertaining entertaining. It's like an x games. Water can win a thousand bucks at the end at the end of the day in some of the money went to charity whatever and it was like it it was really awesome and the other thing we did was we created an art gallery and I curated art from the musicians that are playing the festival so we went to Ian from deer tick and he paints he's incredible portrait's and with the Jack Johnson he does surf films and G. Love was doing these huge art. Pieces is in in just all these people contributed there are Clinton Megyn from preservation hall jazz man etc and then you know the artists would come in and and talk about their art just really quickly very short interview and then maybe play a couple of songs and so this year we you know everybody kind of trusted us. After the first year when we did our on sale without even announcing the lineup we sold a lot of tickets and then we announce our lineup which was Dave Matthews Band and Luminaires as the headliners and take. It's gone national and it didn't hurt that last year. Bruce springsteen showed up and sat in with social distortion. I'm sure they didn't nudging like Amen. Don't forget are coming up on you know. Mike Ness is going to be there with social distortion. It's amazing that it's like you're you're just keep following the threads that feel good to you and and kind of let it go where it needs to go. I mean so the powerful testament to your recognition of how how important it is to participate to be a part of a community to give back and to associate yourself with people kind of see the world similarly because I think people feel satellite they rise to come and collaborating and Co create in in a way that you know if it were for a different reason it would be the a totally different equation so I'm hanging out with you today. we're in. New York City even in this thing for sure solid chunk of time. It's called good life project. We come full circle an offer at the phrase to you to live a good life. What comes up you know. I'm fifty five and I've been hustling my ass off for longtime and I've learned that you know hard work pays off and it allows you to appreciate you know I was GonNa say my downtime but like I appreciate what I'm doing all the time so the the good life for me is is is to work hard and love what I'm doing to get to spend time with your family and to inspire other people and to give back to the community. That's living the good life to me like I I love where I came from on the Jersey Shore. You know you could give me a a along board and a bicycle and you know my family in the ocean right there and I'd be like Abbie as I could be in my harmonicas. I guess which I never leave home without you know that's it's living the good life for me you know and I I've been you know I play music. You know I play in this tanner's blues band and it's really not happen and by by accident and and just allowing yourself to to follow those happy accidents you know make a big difference difference to me like I like I was photographing Do you have time for me to talk to tell you some more so early. On in my career I was photographing autographing lime by Mellon and I became friends with them and one time you know I had my grandfather had played harmonica and I had my Monica as a kid and I you you know when I was assisting with my friend. Timothy he was really into blues and I I didn't know that I love the blues. I knew I love the allman brothers and you know it led Zeppelin and stuff like that and I had heard muddy waters but like they really taught me you know and introduced me to you know how wolfing Sonny Boy Williamson Little Walter and like you know even like you know deep James Brown you know an arm being Charles and all that and and I really started to love it so I started to play harmonica one time. I told Shannon Hoon from blind melon that I'm I played harmonica just casually during one of the one of the shows I had they were. They were the ban really that let let me let me you know into photographic famous band that was I cut my teeth like hanging out with them and photographic and so he said Oh man you do you play my Monica each up and play with us tonight and they were like they were opening for was blind melon soundgarden. Neil Young it was in New Jersey at the art center her and I was like no no no. I'm not coming out there. I'm not you know I said I I. I've played like once in public barbecue. You and you think Danny. It's all one big barbecue like you're gonNA come out and play with us. I was like okay. I'm thinking he's not GonNa Remember and so we kind of woodshed it on the song and it was like a song called change and then they would like segue until a dear Mr fantasy blues kind of thing which I was comfortable playing impluse and I ended up doing it and going out there like I didn't really screwing up actually like you know here in a key and it's a key and I I ducked in and out and I was like wow I was like really like buzzing after that and so I ended up learning wanting to play more harmonica and every time I hung out with Anna would play with them in I was hired to photograph this band called Danger Man and the they asked me to come to their recording studio rehearsal space rather to to just talk about the you know the the photo shoot and what we're going to do and how you're going to do it and where we were going to do it and I got they had all these muddy waters and John Lee Hooker posters up there and the guy was standing there just playing like he was like obsessed with guitar. Just had it on the whole time we are talking was playing these little. Italy's reps and I was like Oh you guys play blues and he's like yeah. I play a little harmonica and you're like oh wow that's like what's jam sometime so long story short and like twenty five years later we have the tangents blues band plan all that we've played you know for twenty five years together and and and subsequently a lot of the artists that I've become friends with have sat in with the Blues Band when I have my book my still moving Book Release Party Party Dangerous Blues Band played and we had Perry Farrell sat in with US Dave Grohl Intel Hawkins from the Foo Fighters Zac Brown and unlike Brandi Carlile sat in with his Press Hall Jazz Band Bob Weir and Joseph Arthur Jesse Mallon just it goes on and on so we often hope that we could get bruce springsteen to sit in with us and just so happened that there was an opening for the Asbury lanes which is like a legendary of bowling alley slash music venue in in Asbury Park and we heard Bruce was going to kind of emcee the the opening and they asked the tangerines blues band to play and also Portugal the man was playing and so- Bruce. I'd spoken spoken with his his team and they said look you know he's doing the Broadway show and like I don't expect him to get up and jam with anybody. I just want you to know that's probably not going to happen so weak out. I got a text from Bruce and he said hey man. I'm thinking maybe I'll sit in with with your band. It's like I said Okay what are we going to do. What do you WanNa what I do and he's like well. Blues you know and I was like okay like you know twist and shout and he was like down the road a piece we're going back and forth like with different different tunes and he agreed to do it we of course of course and so he texts me a little while later we haven't a rehearsal or what and I was like well yeah how about but Wednesday okay meanwhile he's got a Gig at the off Broadway. I think that night and so we did a rehearsal for the rehearsal and played through all the tunes and and then he came in and you know supposed to be there at five o'clock clock. He was there at like four fifty five you know but on his guitar and I was like how's it feel the put electric guitar on you know play with the band and he was like yeah. Let's do this and he just raised the energy in the room like through the roof and it was it was it was quite incredible and funny enough like halfway through the rehearsal you know of course we're in the room with. Bruce springsteen and everybody's eyes are on him because he's leading the band and we're just we can't even believe where we're doing this you know and I realized that handful of people people are not looking at Bruce in they're all looking like in the corner and I had my back to the door and turn around and they're staying standing there because he was rehearsing next door to us and like he comes in. He was like Bruce. I own Danny and I I've worked with him. You know and anyway it was really surreal. Extinct walks thin like says a Lotta Bruce and we all say hello and it was kind of crazy and then he came and sat in with us there and he sat in with I was the honoree for the Kristen and car fund event this past year and we raised a significant amount of money which is really incredible to be a part of it and of course we guitar out for Bruce because he usually shows up and and I said hey man you know we we would. Shed those other tunes that we had done the last time so if you WANNA play you know there's there's guitar there for you so we had this guitar there and then our guitar player. Chris who leads the band great guy had his fender telecaster like early fifties. He's bruce loves to play and embrace went to grab the other Guitar Chris Stuck. His Guitar List was like here's my guitar and Bruce was like Oh cool wow Brazil chicken it out like this nice and we proceeded to like have a big throwdown and and everybody was quite happy that he came and sat in with us but no one was was more happier. I was man that sounds amazing. That sounds like a good life. Yes that's the good life right there any chance. Since you have your Harmonica I do have a harmonica with me. He played a little bit sure. ooh Yeah Love it love it love it. Thank you so junior wells stolen early on when I learned learned to play and I just hung onto it. Well you wear it. Well thank you thank you so much for listening and thanks also to our fantastic sponsors who helped make this show possible. You can check them out in the links. We have included today's show notes and while you're at it if you've ever asked yourself the what should I do with my life. We have created a really cool online assessment. 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Bill Cunningham 7/14/20

Bill Cunningham

1:43:01 hr | 2 months ago

Bill Cunningham 7/14/20

"The. Billy, Cunningham, the great American at two o'clock today Governor Mike Von. Come, forward and. Give us a status. He said every every other every Wednesday. We're going to find out the numbers and move things. WHO's remers all over the news media in Cincinnati that one of our local counties probably Hamilton County. It's about to go from red to purple, which is all Hell's breaking loose? Shut things down, which has certainly put a wrinkle in the efforts of many superintendents to have some level of schooling, beginning the end of August, and of course there is a bill now pending in Columbus that would make. The date of February twenty six every day Dr Amy Act Day to celebrate former health commissioner, not being Dr Amy Acton the Columbus dispatch story out this morning, says Amy Act involved from bureaucratic obscurity to superstardom almost overnight, as she took part of into wines, televised briefings on the battle against the pandemic yard signs, bearing her name popped up in front of several homes, young girls dressed up in little white coats and imitated her saying they wanted to be like amy. Not In so much more plus a big story in the inquirer this morning by Jackie bore shirt Jesse bomber Ohio's new cornerstone is heat map was supposed to be more transparent, but many find it very confusing. Including Butler County County. And Clermont County Public Health spokesman. Keith. Roberson told the enquirer quote. Only seven deaths total six hospitalizations the last two weeks. So in the last two weeks, Clermont County has about a quarter of a million residents. There's been six hospitalizations in the last two weeks. Not move them from. Into the red category you're only now is a man of the forefront and covering the story objectively the investigative reporter Jack Windsor of WMF. Mansfield Ohio and Jack Windsor Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham. Show this afternoon Jack. How you doing. I'm sick, fantastic bill. It's always an honor to be with you in the seven hundred W W audience. Thank you for choosing today. Let's talk about Dr and. A very good friend as you know of of Tony Bender and he starting a petition drive in southwest Ohio. Dr Amy. Acting Day named February the twenty six year. Have your finger a little bit on the pulse of the lawmakers think. Larry Householder and bill sites and others are going to enact Dr Amy Acton Day and give everyone a day off February twenty sixth every year. No No I. I think they should enact a what I I like to call Hashtag down. The Don the data that instead of down your mask and on your Kate we should. We should have been diving the data from day one. That's what I think that those to say, but I could be wrong on a lot. Let's talk about this article in the inquire about Ohio's new. Curran Avars heat map was supposed to be transparent. It's confusing. Why is it so confusing to many especially when in Hamlin County, when I talked to docks and those run hospitals, there are no crisis whatsoever. It is normal to be eighty to ninety percent full. They want to be about ninety five percent full, but right now they're not overwhelmed at all. But how many counties on the cost, maybe a two o'clock today we're going to go purple. Explain why it's confusing do. Well, it's confusing I'M GONNA! Give it a little bit of quick context because we started yellow. The CDC has a map based on several factors COVID pneumonia influenza, and how things are trending there, and the CDC actually found for the eleventh straight week that deaths attributed to current virus have declined they actually it below epidemic threshold, and when you look at their map, if you to CDC dot, Gov and you look at their Cova de section. Section what you'll see is that the entire country actually has what's called the minimal activity level, so the the key code isn't spreading with the exception of Florida and Louisiana. They're listed as low, but three headlines were being program to think that Florida is in code purple, and it's not, and that's kind of how this has been teed up to us Look at the health emergency system. Had some major fundamental flaws, and they're leading us back the lockdown and potential mandated mass wearing even outdoors, so it has seven in. Each county, interestingly if the county triggers zero indicators. The can do is yellow, so you can have zero indicators trip. You're not green your yellow, and then it goes from yellow to orange to red to purple, so this Advisory Assistant measures each county on the following indicators, new cases per capita increases in new cases, not congregate cases. Emergency Room visits outpatient visits hospital admissions. ICU that occupancy, so let me just quickly point to. A couple of things no weight. is given to death. On the new match, so. Let's go back to the beginning of your statement, you said the CDC on its website says that the entire country is almost not even an epidemic, much less pandemic. Me Because I think that's important. Because the CDC by checked objective standards, says the deaths every day for the last twenty, one to thirty days have gone down, but the media and I think the government. Especially local governments are drum-beating idea role about the Lai explain how significant is. That's a CD CDC says Ohio's Not Kentucky not in a panic. Significantly significant accent. You know if we're GONNA IF WE'RE GONNA quote the CDC then we ought to follow the CBC. We can't cherry pick information from the CDC for eleven straight weeks or death certificate data reported declining percentages in depth, and so they said look what currently below the of the epidemic threshold, which means that this thing is not the epidemic status. It's not spreading the way that we hear in the press. Conference is right. What we hear is that we have this massive community spread and you know if I had. Half an hour an hour. I'd love to dive into this new advisory system and show you that if you for example, new cases per capita increases in new cases, not congregate cases. If you have a pop up location, or you increase passing at all in your community. Understand you're not testing in congregate settings. People are going out of curiosity, not a sickness, the pop up locations, or if they want to go to the hospital to get deferred care they're increasing their testing outside the congregate living setting. So if you increase testing, you could actually trigger. A three of these indicators right out of the gate and you're you're at an orange level. Now you only need to trigger to other indicators to be read, and when you dive into what's going on in Hamilton and Butler and Clermont. Counties, it's testing and it's ICU and outpatient visits, but when you dive into that, there's a pdf when a county goes into the red. You Click on that that county it'll, it'll pull up. Up A pdf file for you, and that PDF file in and explain a little bit deeper. What's going on in the county? But what's going on in the county? The way that they had explained is really kind of misleading, because you can have eighty percent occupancy, or above in ICU, and they're using that as a trigger so for example I believe Hamilton County. I can pull them out if you WANNA, talk about. Half, my listeners in Hamilton, county, and the other half outside Hamilton, county, but when I talked to real life. Doctors like a Jewish UC Christ they're not in a panic mode. In fact, they'd never been in a panic mode. One point never doubted ten percent occupancy for those two or three months ten percent occupancy, ever losing a million dollars a day and right now they're not even close to where they need to be, and they don't have an influx of covert nineteen patients in any local hospital. Inquire reported that there's no uptick in hospitalizations and the only reason we have more positive testing because people on these pop up locations are going to be tested and their non symptomatic. Right and we've also received reports. Say reports. It's not one or two. It's multiple of people who go to pop up locations. Complete the paperwork and decide you know what I don't WanNa. Wait in line, and then they're contacted later to be pulled that they tested positive so somehow there's this automatic assumption that they're going to test positive until they test negative and they're literally getting indication that you tested positive. They're gonNA wait a minute. I didn't even wait around to test. So that stunning but. When you dive into these pdf files for example, you just talked about intensive care utilization well. Yes, I'm looking at Hamilton County right now. In intensive care utilization it did bump up over eighty percent. Look if I'm a hospital administrator. That's the minimum I. Want my ICU operating. At operating at ninety five percent, because that is expensive equipment, and you want to utilize that equipment to generate revenue that when you look at what's going on with Kobe patients and I see you. It's down around ten percent. Dip Down so I. See you capacity for Kobe patients around ten percent and. So people are scratching their head and going wait a minute if I'm actually generating revenue and profit from my hospital, all of a sudden that that puts me in my county in the red zone potentially and you know the other thing that they're being graded on. Is this seven day average of Kobe related healthcare visits and when you look at that, they break it out by emergency, department and by outpatient. Here's an interesting fact for you. Outpatient can actually include you calling your telehealth doctor, and that's how a health doctor can grade you on several things, the look at the clinical criteria and they'll. They'll look at the laboratory criteria and they'll look at the epidemic epidemiological link so if I call my telehealth doctor and I said look I have a headache. I have a sore throat and you know the telehealth doctor says. What do you have a fever? Yeah, I kind of feel hot. Well, actually the way that it works you. You only have to have to symptoms so if you have a headache and you have a sore throat, or if you have a measured or get this objective fever, if subjective, yeah kind of hot you literally candy diagnosed as as positive so these outpatient visits. Probably of a lot of telehealth visits, a lot of people blinded their their providers, and like you said they're testing a symptomatic, or we also know these tests can pick up antibodies strange. They've also been pulled by the CDC that these tests can actually pick up other Corona viruses AKA the common coal. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Hospitalizations bill in Clermont Hamilton and Butler county. Zero, that's one zero. The last death and Clermont County. Seven six Hamilton was seven Butler was seven three. So, why would the governor two o'clock today? So you know what we gotta move you to Purple? Because thing that Kinda hoping and Cherry picking the data they wanted to find result. Dewine once defined result that we're in a crisis. Why is that true? Why don't we look at the data and say? Let's find the glass half empty. Instead of half full when I talked to docks. If you've had no deaths and the ICU's eighty percent, which is a bit low and of the eighty percent, ten percent or covert nineteen, and the ambulance is aren't reporting with hospitalizations and tell doctors. Chalk chalking up visits as being somehow covert related when they're not. How do you rely upon that data to drive public policy and shut down all the schools? You can't you can't if you increase testing and that testing like we said picks up some crazy things like a dramatic, or it's false positive, and then all of a sudden you have a surge in ICU, and maybe people are increasing their outpatient visits. That's not that's not indicative of spread, but all the sudden. You're in Code Red and you could. You could be going over coke purple, which means you really shouldn't go outside unless you need supply. Look I don't know. I'm wondering if it and I need to dig into this, or are we getting federal cares act. Dollars are are positive tests. Dollars, I mean that would make sense to me, but here's something that I think is is a huge issue to me. The biggest issue is anxiety and it's it's causing businesses, and all of us to be on edge and afraid that our county might be targeted the Cleveland Clinic. Just released a study outlining the rise and what they're calling broken heart syndrome caused by increased stress of the coronavirus. Pandemic people are dying from stress and anxiety, and I heard a stunning report over the weekend about in Ohio educator who took his own life because of the pressure associated with full mandates and Co that this is why I'm so passionate about the accuracy and the transparency of this information and I cannot. In good conscience, look at Clermont. Hamilton Butler zero hospitalization and zero deaths and say you know what we need to math and we need we need to. We need to shelter in place. It makes zero sense. It's scaring the hell out of people. It is in fact talks about the dangers of a kid, not being in school, which means they're in the community which means. means. They're playing baseball soccer. They're playing with other kids. Their playgrounds going crazy. It's not as if kids not in school. They're going to be in bubble. Wrap under a bed somewhere. They're going to be living their life and swimming. Whatever they're GONNA do so. The safest place to be is in school. The most risky place to be in the community were kids are getting. You belong in school I'm looking at the inquirer article today, but they're counting. What about the increase they've had an increase of two emergency room visits. Kobe nineteen related per day. Think about that and Butler county what which has about three hundred and fifty thousand people. There's to cove it related visits a day to the ER and no deaths in the past ten days, so that that moves them up dot almost a crisis, house pot. Jack Jack this stupid. Stupid. Stupid and if literally it's literally killing people the anxiety and the stress listed is covert real. Is it a health emergency outside of nursing homes now? I mean the data. The data in the sciences crystal clear on that it looked our kids. During this this this epidemic there were pandemic certified schools in the State of Ohio Eleven, hundred and thirty of them that were opened, and kids were going their kids from families whose parents are healthcare providers frontline workers working at these big box stores. You know what didn't happen. They weren't spreading. Because kids aren't spreading, they don't tell. Tell that a whole lot. There wasn't an outbreak. They're all over Europe, and look what happened there. They send their kids back to school. There was not an outbreak and you know when we talk about masking schools, kids are not gonNa kiss her not going to pass this virus by walking in the hallways. They don't need to be masked up in the hallways and if we want to really solve this issue if there are teachers who are in the older age. Age category that feel at risk. Okay, Great! Here's what you do you you them in through some sort of web axe, and you get somebody there to manage the classroom. Let the kids go and engage in the socialization and engage in the live learning environments. The the American Society of Pediatrics already said. That's what needs to happen and we've gotTA. Stop turning a blind eye to what this is going to do to our their kids, our kids and their ability to learn. Learn I'm a single parent I love having my daughter home, but guess what when I have to work fulltime, and I have to try to help her at seven years old. Step through the curriculum and do it the right way. That's not working, and that's not going to work for people. If this was killing, you know two million people I would get an in the united. States is not and we're making decisions based on emotion anecdotal. What is and it's crushing us. Lastly Jack Windsor when you said you went over this point quickly, but it's so valuable that in March April and May one critical workers had to use healthcare, and they had to put tens of thousands of their children together and healthcare. All those experiences resulted in no transmission from those children and fact there's not been one school child in Ohio between the ages of six years old and twenty five that have died covert nineteen I listened to some. Some of the shows that are objective, Dr Atlas was on with Martha McCallum last night. Saying it is absurd what we're doing to the children. If you care about children in their lives, the children belong in school for all kinds of psychological educational and medical reasons, and then if someone can't be there, because of their age or immune status ways of working around that, but he's the schools exist to educate children. They don't exist for teachers to teach. Custodians to clean cleanup or cafeteria workers have served string beans. The schools exist for the children and the children's interest must be paramount everything else Jack. Windsor I'm getting a note here. The possibly the governor is not going to be on till Thursday at two o'clock, and that's even more concerning to me because if he pops up Thursday two o'clock, and says Hamilton County is now purple. All Hell's going to break loose, but Jack once again Jack. Jack Windsor, WMF, and Mansfield, thank you be the voice crying in the Wilderness. We do not have a public health crisis unless you listen to the media, in which case all hell's about to break loose in reality, the health crisis is in nursing homes and things of that character. Let the American people work. Let the kids learn everyone else. Protect themselves necessary. Jack Windsor Good. Luck to you. Thanks for coming on again and God. Bless America thank you. God. Bless you God bless America. Thank you Jack Windsor. That makes a lot of sense. Your reaction now at five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand Bill Cunningham Newsradio seven hundred wwl w. Billy Cunningham I want to get your involvement in this because The next two days are going to be critical in Hamilton. Butler Clermont, and maybe Warren County. To make sure that we do not go into a purple status. A purple status would mean that were shutdown that schools are not going to open at all and all going to have shelter in place orders put on to us again by Governor Mike Dewine, and July sixteenth. and. I know they listen in Columbus. Is the one radio station in Ohio? That is heard throughout Ohio Kentucky and Indiana. It's hard everywhere, and it's critical that we communicate to our so called leaders in Columbus that we're not in the healthcare crisis in. Cincinnati, unless you're in a nursing home or a penitentiary or prison or Warren Correctional, institution or the Clermont County jail. We're not. We're not in a crisis. I want to share with you some. Some facts and we have mark and Donald with three lines open, five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand tomorrow. We're going to have on Denise Treehouse to talk about him. In a county in specifics in every office holder I got up this morning, and spoke to four five in northern Kentucky Southwest Ohio I spoke to one in Butler County Not Richard K Jones one in Warren County one in. Clermont County and two and Hamlin County. There's a sense here on the ground. That the governor is about to make a dramatic move on Thursday, a sense, not a belief, a sense, even know the politicians I speak to speak to healthcare leaders at UC. Christ, Jewish mercy and. On a regular basis Bethesda on a regular basis because every day they get numbers from the hospitals. Who say okay. WHO's in your emergency room? What what are they marked into? And do have debts. And what did they die of? And how many tests do we have? I got another test from a good friend of mine. WHO said that? She had two employees who had lined up in order to be tested. They decided not to go through with it because time. This is what she said to me. One of my employees and others were in a long line to get tested. They left the line. But did not get tested. Having given their information two days later, they got phone calls. They were positive and they didn't get tested. There's mistakes everywhere in this regard, but here's some facts. I just googled many. Americans are in school and the answer is according to Google Eighty, two million. We're a nation of three hundred and thirty five million people. We have anywhere between seventy and eighty million in school. How important to school academically educationally? Socialization Hunger Programs Sexual Abuse Discovery Programs counseling programs schools important especially. Especially in dysfunctional parts of urban areas and poor rural areas. School is awfully important, so we prioritize school by spending most of our civil dollars in Ohio Kentucky Indiana on schools, whether it's a grade school middle school high school, Technical School Colleges, an Ku UK Louisville. State Xavier UC INDIANA. We spend billions of dollars every year in school because that's how important it is. So when you have eighty million schoolchildren eighty million. I looked at the CDC website. Right here! Our children at risk. By going to school, you heard John. Jack Windsor talk about the fact in March? April May and June when there were thousands and thousands of school age children in day care because their parents were mandated workers, they were essential and there was no outbreak. There were no deaths. There was no transmission. It didn't happen. This is a virus that is very lethal. If you're frail, elderly or compromise, it is a virus that is not very lethal at all to children. So in your own mind, according to the Centers for disease, control and Prevention. As of July tenth. July tenth which was what Friday close of Business Friday July the tenth. How many school age children in the United States of America? Didigova nineteen and the whole country. Eighty two million is the population of those in school. The answer is. Thirty. Not Thirty thousand. Three hundred thousand. Not, thirty million I said thirty. And! Majority of those were somehow compromised immunities because of cancer whatever it might be, but the total number is thirty under the age of fifteen and a typical year in America two hundred die of the flu in school, two, hundred, four, hundred, thirty, six, sadly killed themselves, six, hundred and twenty-five or homicide victims, and about forty, two hundred from unintentional deaths such as drowning. In addition to that, there's about six thousand who die in car accidents. So, we're for hitting kids going. Swimming. We're not, prohibiting kids from getting into cars. But we're going to prohibit kids going to school on school. Age Children Cove Nineteen. Thirty. Thirty. And the state of Ohio. Zero school children have died between the ages of six years old and twenty five zero. And now I know what you're thinking. Of course we have full lines. We're going to get. Back I have no guess schedule today with match time and likes quite a bit. So, she would me. I hear you now, saying well. What about the teachers? What about the cafeteria? Workers? What about the janitors? What about the social workers? Yes, that's that's important. A teacher's life is important I think Roger Fortin Professor Roger Fortin. Xavier how important he wasn't my life. I think about Jerry would todd history? My basketball coach deer park. How important real important I think about Mr Schaffer deer park high school. What a great guy I think about Hank. estes at deer park wonderful wonderful I think about Roy Dixon. Psychology teacher and I just love that guy teachers so important I. Think About Sister Monika An. And at Xavier I think about Father Bergemann and Father Schmidt and Father Bench in Father O'Connor teachers leaders very important to me. Teachers are important. But schools exist not to teach. Schools exist for children. Hate to use the term for the children s liberal, but this goes exists for the children eighty million of them when they are not at Risk Cova thousand nine hundred. Won't say zero, but the risk is zero point zero zero zero one. Much more likely to die on the way to school than in school covert nineteen. Can we get it through our thick skulls that children are not at risk of catching covert nineteen in school, and for those who are at risk, sixty percent of the teachers earn age of forty. If you're at risk if you're over fifty five sixty years old. You have to have special needs met I agree. Find a way to do it. Talk to your principles. Talk to the, Superintendent Guess what there's a way doing, but the function of schools is not to serve string beans, or not to clean up in the hallway or not. The teachers to teach the purpose of schools is to educate eighty million Americans. Go children and they need to be in school. To give me an example. In Chicago of covert nineteen. A total and the last six months of Chicago age school children between the age of six twenty to a total of two who have died a covert nineteen, both were immunity suppress but to. which is sadly happening every weekend through homicides in Chicago, so can we say and put it? NEON lights on every billboard school children are not at risk of catching and dying of covert nineteen. And for those of us who come in contact with school children, we need to protect ourselves as adults. Because right now I see kids playing soccer pickup games. I see kids caddying. I see kids landscaping. high-school boys that are getting ready for football lifting weights. They're living their lives, and if you check with those between the ages of about eight twenty two. They don't have any sense. There's a crisis going on at all. They ignore this stuff completely. The kids need to be in school. And if there are special needs of older Americans who work in and around the school, talk to the principal talk to the school board talked to the Superintendent and say these are my particular needs. How do we accommodate me so I can interact with the reason the school exist. Muller Highschool exist not for the teachers or the coaches. The exists for the students that that's the purpose of Muller, highschool or Covington Catholic or Lakota or Mason. That's the purpose is for the school children. Our Lady of victory exists because of the children. And doesn't exist because of the teachers. And, whether it's a she old or a amassed for the older folks whatever it is. Okay Now before I take calls one last thought. If you're not in a nursing home in the state of Ohio. which is thank God most of us. Ninety nine percent of us are not a nursing homes in the state of Ohio. If you're not in a nursing home in the state of Ohio. The fatality rate of ohioans is less than one hundredth of one percent. I'm talking about a number. Roughly three thousand ohioans died seventy percent in nursing homes that means about eight or nine hundred have died in the general population and the state of Ohio. Including Zero Schoolchildren divide that number by twelve million for easy figuring. Is Eleven point seven million supposedly highlands. It is under one hundredth of one percent, and the general population have died I, said under one hundredth of one percent. Clermont. County spokesman Keith. Robinson told the enquirer on Friday quote. Only seven deaths total so since March plasma counting has said seven total deaths seven and six months. Half of those nursing homes, so I assume three or four and the general population. Clermont County's population I just looked it up is. I'll give you a minute. It's about two hundred and thirty five thousand. So only seven deaths total in Plymouth County, and in the past two weeks a total of six hospitalizations Paradis Butler County is three hundred eighty five thousand residents. Clermont County is two hundred and six thousand Warren County is two hundred, thirty, five thousand, so the total of Butler, Clermont and Warren County is equal to Hamilton, county, which is eight, hundred, some thousand so Clermont County has gone into the red category. Causing some to leave Clermont County. But in the last six months, and a population of two, hundred, six, thousand in Clermont, county seven deaths and the past two weeks six hospitalizations. Which resulted in death? The governor put Clermont County and the red category. We're now read. And, Keith Robinson Clermont County cannot figure out. How in the hell do they go to read? It's impossible. Impossible. Not, talk about Butler county. Increase in Butler county small increase. They have to Cova. Nineteen. Hospitalizations per day. which is well less than zero point zero one percent of Butler county. Population Bother County is almost four hundred thousand residents throwing eighty-five thousand. Is that a health care crisis. Honestly what are we talking? Have we lost our frigging collective minds? How can anyone seriously say except in nursing homes that we're in a healthcare crisis, lastly before I go to your calls, we've got thousands on hold now. The media is engorged with the idea of Florida Texas Arizona and fact now ohioans. CanNot Travel to New York. Get off the plane until you're quarantine for up to fourteen days. I made two hundred trips to Laguardia, imagine getting off a plane showing your papers to state officials and telling you guess what you're quarantine for fourteen days. What where am I teamed? How do I get there? I don't know your quarantine. One of my going to be in bubble wrap put into stasis somewhere. If you take Florida. which has a population? Florida of twenty million. Twenty Million Floridians. There's about forty three hundred. Forty, three, hundred and Florida. New York State is thirty. Three, thousand. Eight Times Florida. Texas is thirty two hundred. Texas has thirty million residents thirty million. Texas has three thousand two hundred deaths Arizona as two thousand two hundred tests if you take Florida. And Texas and Arizona. That is less than one third of the fatality rate in New York less than one third, but the media is convincing all of us. That were about to die and that Florida. And Texas and Arizona is about the worst Ohio has about thirty one hundred deaths I. It's about three thousand and seventy five call at thirty one hundred seventy percent nursing homes that means about thirty percent of three. It's about nine hundred, nine hundred total high winds have died in six months, which is less than one hundredth of one percent and zero in the schools. have. We lost our minds. Unequipped talking. I want to hear from you. This is totally ridiculous. We go from yellow. Orange to red. To purple, maybe on Thursday, there's nothing from the governor until Thursday to and he's calling around the public officials, and this part of the state, getting more information, and from what I speak to them. Names not used. They are very concerned that one or two counties in southwest Ohio is going to go purple on Thursday at two o'clock. Which means were shutdown, swimming pools indoor dining bowling alleys. God knows what else schools of course schools. No school can open. And how long can we be there and as Jack Windsor just said. There's no objective measurement to go from yellow to orange to red to purple. How in the World Does Clermont County? Go into the red category when in six months. They've had a total of seven deaths, most nursing homes and six hospitalizations and the last two weeks and they're read. You can't avoid it. The governor will do whatever the governor wants to do. And then there's lawsuits to be filed by others. I had on Maurice Thompson last. Friday get him on again then the court say he can't do it. But then it's months down the road. It gets appealed in the meantime here. We're in the middle of July. The children must go back to school. They are not at risk. On I'm done talking I, WanNa hear from. You may have Markan. Aubrey Marian Jason Donald. Many others have aligned becomes available, five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand. Can we deliver a message to the powers that be in Frankfurt? Frankfurt and Columbus? That were not sheep were not mushrooms living in the dark fed crap. We wanted to get about our lives. We understand the risk. The Great American wears a mask all the time. I wash my hands. I void crowds I. Don't like people at a nice hamburger last night in new town, but some good people but and everyone had a mask on, but you gotta eat a hamburger gonNA. Take your mask off right. Warren in everyone on looking eighty percent compliance. I'd bet this more than eighty percent I feel bad, not having a mask on broadcasting, but nobody's around me. I don't I. Don't like people I don't get around people but my children. My Grandchild's got to be punished when they're not at risk for some purpose. That I can't figure out. Let Your Voice. Be heard next on news radio seven hundred W automobile. Our fallen. Talk At. The, At the door they found. The lease lovell. Tell. Bad Law. Governor shut us down again on Thursday. That this is something we cannot recover from for months, and this things worse than having a shutdown, which is death, disease, pestilence and sorrow. We gotta get back to work I have a text from a friend of mine. Said knows the coins are gone. Everyone has to use credit cards, and what you're going to be tracked constantly, and then whether or not there's only a rumors sometimes knowing mike the way I. You know call ahead of time to give a heads up to certain elected leaders as to what's coming. He tends not to do it because it gets leaked out immediately, so he wants to it all at once. How in the. World Can Clermont County. And Hamilton County and Butler county be read based upon the numbers that we have tomorrow. I'M GONNA have on Denise, Tree House, but the governor's GonNa come on at two o'clock on Thursday normally it was Tuesday and Thursday but. which leads some to speculate. It's only speculation. He's not coming on today because Thursday at to you know, give us the numbers from Wednesday and if the numbers are up four hundred percent. From to the nine more than four hundred percent. That's an excuse to do something. So let's go to the calls. And once again. In Clermont County? which is now read, and the last six months had a total of seven deaths and six hospitalizations and the last two weeks. And! They're read. Let's go to call. Says I promise I'm done babbling. I WanNa hear from you. And I knowing politics the way I do the main reason. These things are happening. As whether it's Bashir or holcomb, but especially dewine his approval ratings are like eighty percent back, and they tracked this every two or three days. So as long as you believe. That the governor is keeping you safe by enacting these orders and likely to continue, but as facts so indicating the way to keep your kids safe is never permit them to ride in a car. Never permit them to go swimming. Never permit them play soccer, baseball, football, or basketball, because according to the Centers for Disease Control. And the last six months of eighty two million children in school thirty. Have died of covert nineteen thirty. while. Six hundred twenty-five inman homicide victims and forty, two hundred have died of unintentional deaths such as drowning. Keep him out of the pools. Give him out of the cars. Keep them in bubble. Wrap under your bed in which case they're gonNA live a long life like a mushroom living in the dark fed crap. Life is risky, but children are not addressed if the administrators. Teachers Cafeteria Workers Janitorial staff staffer. They're at risk. Talk to the principal talk to the Superintendent Talk to the school board by coming up with a plan to protect you and I'm not diminishing your life. It's important especially to you and your husband or your wife and kids. You'RE GONNA be forty four years old and be compromise immunity. Why and you need some help? Talk to the principal, but the function of school is for the children to learn is not for you to teach and. And Not for you to clean the hallway, and not for you to serve cafeteria food. The purpose of school is for the eighty two million children that have been denied in education now going on six months, and it must, the madness must stop now. Let's go all right. Matt make sure I quit talking now. That's the key. Make sure quit talking. Let's go to mark. Audrey and Marianne and Jason There'll be the first four. I want everyone in the tri-state wants to hear from you. You can't travel from CG. Laguardia without being quarantined for fourteen days. Now statistically. Hairs you get these numbers at realclearpolitics Dot Com roll down the list. New York has had thirty three thousand deaths New York State Ohio. One tenth at three thousand, but we're quarantine. We're going to New York, but they're not quarantine coming here. Kentucky has said six hundred and thirty deaths six hundred thirty. and. New, York thirty, three thousand. Is quit talking. Let's hear from you got mark Audrey. You've got mail pissed off now. Let's go to mark on the cell phone mark. You're on the Bill Cunningham Show Marco head. Hey this is This might even piss you off a little more. I have a mother. Who is? Ninety two years old. Lance at. Ten. She has oh. I think one hundred six grandkids now. How many! Hundred six. Now there are some grey and she will possibly see great great. Wow. That's wonderful. when this all started, we Or for your concern, we went to her mom. You know you're at the highest risk you can't. You can't go out. Wear a mask. You GotTa do this. You got to do that. We can't come and see yeah. She looked at me. To you, I'm the. I'm the youngest of the ten. She said some here an idiot. This is all phony. It's hype. I said what are you talking about? She said this is ridiculous. She said let me tell you something. I've lived through scarlet fever. I've lived through. Tuberculosis have lived through the measles mumps. Oppression more war to and when I was a young girl, pneumonia was pretty much a death. And Polio all those the polling. Actually they throw at all. She said never one. Did, we get laid down. It quit working. quit living life now not. Exactly keep talking marquee going. She said, are you? And your brothers and sisters and allow your children. and become a third world country. Because you're afraid to go outside in the scientists, she said my whole life. They've been wrong. You mean mass destruction in Iraq didn't happen. No. The point is mark your. Your mother is a perfect example of what made America Great. What we have now are graduates of snowflake university. And they look around the world to find something that justifies their view, which is often wrong, but if you've spent your life looking for police, brutality and someone videotapes, something, and then show it to you. You'll go nuts, and they live in a world now in which the government must care for all your needs, and if the government's not there to do it, we will stop our feet. Protest threw bricks through windows. Until we get our way, and if we don't get our way enough, we'll keep doing it and breaking the law until the lawmakers changed the law to the way I wanted to be. This is not even close to what happened on those. Those other crises you discussed, and at no point in American history, the government tell people stay home and don't work because I know best for you. You and I are about the same age I would assume, and I wear a mask and wash my hands i. stay out of crowds. I'm in that category but I want everyone else not at risk to live their lives to get out and swim and dance and enjoy themselves. Go play golf play soccer tennis. Get ready for school. Go live in a dorm deal. What you're GonNa, do live your life, and if this generation of Americans was alive award war to would all be speaking German at this point. That's exactly what my mother said. That's exactly what she said she's said. You know what you gotta suck it up. You gotTA. Do if I if I have to die then I. Guess it's my time absolutely that. What really made her mad is when they compared this on the news to it's this this generation as World War. Come on I mean he said Jantar picky. Million people died in World War Two. I've been more than seventy. Five million and America America fought to simultaneous ward wars within about a forty month period, and won both and came home, and both the greatest economy in the world at the snowflake generation was in charge. Then we'd be speaking Germany. East of the Mississippi and Japanese west of the Mississippi. We wouldn't have country at all. People are scared to death including rocky boy man. He's scared to death. No question. Your your your point on I'm proud to listen to you every day. You give the real statistic. What my mark as far as your mother can you go see your? They let you go in properly gowned and masked with a shield and gloves on. Can you sit there and enjoy the company of your mother yet? She still lives at home gets up well even better shape than I am because she gets up. She moves Iraq Iraq. Iraq Iran you gotta move man and she ought to wear masks around whatever it is. But what would your mother say? Governor Dewine, or who is ordering Clermont County that has had seven deaths and six months and six hospitalizations and two weeks none resulting. What would your mother say to Governor Doin about making Clermont County red? She was del Hams. He sending our kids. Another Great Depression. We had the greatest economy going and he's GonNa. Reverse us all back into another great depression over nothing I mean I know what the disease she knows it. If you're the one that has it absolutely, but but in the general population in Ohio, we have about one thousand deaths over six months, which is less than one hundredth of one percent now what about the other ninety nine point? Nine nine percent can we our lives? The answer might be no. The governor might say on Thursday your shutdown. In which case this economy, which is starting to recover slowly will collapse, and if a collapses there'll be no money to pay for anything. Did the Democrats realized that? Willie I don't think they care I. think that's what they want. What however they can make it look like our president is failing us. On all fronts. Is what they'll do i. mean you when you get. A congresswoman that says that only thieving is, it's okay just because you need some brain. Feeding Saving I. Don't care what you're doing. Saks fifth avenue. Store do they. Sex twice. Maybe you go there all the time, but but according to AOL see the reason looting one honest because people are hungry to saks, fifth avenue sell a bunch of bakery goods. Do they have branded their? I've never been attacked Fifth Avenue but I I've never heard of him having very good bakery. Would you give your mother my best from all my listeners, my two hundred thousand listeners in the tri-state. Would you tell your mother for? macy's a great American. I will share what tell you were the country of the brave and the strong, so let's it going I. Thank you. How about the week in the tested? How about the week in the cove? Nineteen scared to death I I don't know what the to. Answer. One hundred of one percent the. Fever and a cold. I don't know what to do. Governor towline. Please come and save me from myself because I'm incompetent. I cannot make independent adult decisions. I need you to make them for me. Please save me. Please governor, please. Police Governor Save me. You'll Cunningham seven hundred wwl w? On the risk of loss. Lawmaker Columbus called me this morning and said. Are you aware that? The name, crusader. Is Insensitive. And Racist. I said Crusader? You GotTa Muller Highschool Crusaders. He said yeah that's correct. He said Capital University. In Columbus is changing its name from Crusader because it's insensitive to its Muslim students so I said. I don't believe that, so he sends me the story. Columbus Ohio capital. University announced on Monday. It is retiring. It's crusader, nickname and mascot copy. Falling a fifteen month discussion. We believe that the university's nickname and mascot should be a unifying symbol that enhances school, Spirit and pride for all who are affiliated with capital in recent years are nicknames, Magellan's by students and faculty for its connection to the story Crusades. The detailed study found a significant portion of the Capital University family shares this perspective. I think now officially. We've lost our minds. They'll be an effort now for Muller Highschool to change his name from Crusaders or sandbox bombers that resulted in the death of innocent men, women and children as bombs were dropped. The elder panthers commemorating the life of you, Newton, who was a Black Panther or God knows what's next the Lancers got to go to. We've lost our minds. Your calls continue. We have audrey and Marianne and Jason. Many others at your home of the reds yet men tells me their odds are now ninety to ten. They're gonNA play starting a week from Friday. It looks good at this point. All newsradio seven hundred w all of you. Shouldn't you be wearing a mask masks mask snafu? Mask Sh- mask mask. Sh- masks. That's it masks Sh- math. So. Go on broadcasting. Guy. Shouldn't you be wearing masks? MASKS MASK SM-. Mask. Mask Sh- mask. That's it masks. chm Ask. So I'm watching one of the Sunday one of the twos Tuesday morning sports shows and SPN about how bad it is inside the bubble for the NBA players in Orlando. It's bad as Well, they're complaining about the food about the lack of freedom. One also said something about slavery. So the slavery involve Horse Manicure. PEDICURE! Specialist whatever that is. A hairdresser. A grading braid, expert. Ping Pong tables? Bowling alleys? Tennis, courts. Golf Courses Pickle ball pickle ball yeah. And cafeteria style gourmet dining. There's only one thing missing. Can you think about what that is? Not what I'm saying. If you lived in that environment I, look you. Know you're living in Orlando Florida or nothing like. You're living in the lap of luxury, except for one thing sweets, and I bet the one thing could be imported. It's called A. Booty call. They're missing. Matt told me I'm not sure what. I thought it was Tony Bender. Missing I blamed Tony Bender for all kinds of stuff. It. Could you over for all of US eight weeks? Could you live eight weeks like that possibly in a suite? It'd be tough. Willie, but we could do it a long way to do it. I would. I would sacrifice play basketball. Yes, then you got the video terminals got the game stations. You all that stuff they have hundreds of those everything is licensed. NBA Ping Pong tables NBA golf carts. And after right now this is a punishment. You GotTa ride one per card. You can't ride to the same court. Now do they have that same restriction at the friendly confines? Yes we do. Check one per cart, and you can't touch anyone else's balls, only your own. Will he the stooge reporters out service over local tempstar heating air conditioning dealers tempstar quality. You could feel in Cincinnati combing air at one, eight, eight, eight, nine, nine six h the A. C.. Ten Days Away William County from opening day. What are the odds now out of one hundred? Looking good ninety How about the ranch offense in the past two days? They socked nine home runs in the past two scrimmages six yesterday, maybe a mere Garrett. She spent more time on baseball unless on social activism. Go a I. Think I'm are Manda eight who radio Suarez hit the Heritage Bank Center yesterday with one somebody win the Toyota truck. No not yet then went to left. But reports have eleven major league baseball on pyres. Have opted out of the twenty twenty season or Alva- otherwise declined to participate. Some say they have family family members who are ill. The identities are not known one guy who's at high risk country Joe West. Recently made headlines Not for not only choosing not to opt out, but also to voices, covert nineteenth nihilism, questioning official stats about infections and deaths. He's correct, and I think he got reprimanded he all. You have to state of the company line. So when he said now wait a minute gentleman in the back of the room. I have a question, but all the people testing positive when they haven't taken a test and so I have someone who says I got the flu right got pneumonia, and they mark it up cove so country Joe West is now in trouble for speaking truth to power, and he's been reprimanded. By Rob Manfred himself, so you gotTa Toe the company Line Bengals Willie tomorrow at four o'clock as the franchise tag deadline will the Bengals slap at on Aj? Green, yes, because they're not going to sign them into a big deal to his gotta demonstrating can still catch footballs. And that. Are the Bengals GonNa actually play a preseason game. What do you say? Supposed to play at least two I didn't ask you that are they? GonNa play, yes or no. with the way things are going well. I'm. Putting on. Will. There be college football I talked to Tony Pike about that. He's pessimistic. So I saw an article today that officials in the SEC. Saying they doubt that anything will. One game will be played this year nothing. And their prediction or the SEC on the players at risk. No no, but does not play quaker state. Four hundred really was the most watched sporting event of the weekend. According to TV ratings about that edging out the PG Golf. And then there's voting today in Alabama if you're there. You vote for Tam Sessions, Tommy or former UC coach Tommy Tucker. Don't say it's not possible. Tub cover bills going to win about that well. There's some of the newsroom that vehemently disagree with you. In the past fifteen minutes like jeff sessions Yes, because he went after trump so, but don't. Tub reveal will the UC football program. What happens to the other sports football basketball carry today, and does Luke fickle? Then run for governor. Boy that'd be a tough choice right there. Mike Wind better listen up. He'd better listen to the cries of the people, and what did. I, hear today that there's going to be any act and day. Columbus dispatch. Going to be like a state, holiday February twenty sixth. Yeah, a new bill would create Dr Amy Active Day to celebrate the greatness of Ohio's former health commissioner put up by Representative Mary lightbody. It's probably heavy. And Ken. SMITH EUCLID DEMOCRATS THEY WANNA honor amy, acton. Let me ask you something. How does Mr House older and richer sites feel about that one? Thank you. That'll go a long way. Won't it about as much as Dancy Pelosi and shift, and now what's the Nadler Fazzari Jerry? Yeah I'm not sure that's going to pass anytime soon. Deal although Mike. Dewine would sign it if it got to his desk. Act on if she wanted to. Three times. Is that right? She won't come on won't come on. She doesn't have she doesn't have the guts. She doesn't have the Nice. Would you treat all my guests tonight? Exactly listened to, even though I disagree with right I. Let get their word out then. I. Rip them when they leave. Now had they named a new health commissioner. I kind of on the outs from the last three months. Male lawyer who doesn't show up. Except to. Sign, though just the governor and an Houston the lieutenant governor now doing. Thank you. We! We used to have Barbie and Ken. Now we just have can Barbie has gone. We got. We got used to. John I. Call Him Ken and Barbie. So he's. He's not talking to data. He's not talking today or tomorrow. Wow, but beyond this and what works? Thursday two. Worlds News. No way in the world. He can lock key counties down again. I mean that'll be spoke. This morning is Matt. Butler county politician, not Richard. K Right a Warren County. Yeah, a Clermont, county and a Hamilton County. Okay. There's apprehension but not a belief. Not Not an understanding but a concern, the governor for political purposes would lockdown Hamilton County because of me. Is this for? They're getting federal money in here? What I just said yeah me. I gotTA. Make Nice with the governor. On more than willing to eat, France Pie and sit down with monk. In Cedar Ville on the Porch, If. That's what it takes Luke to get. Hamilton County off. The list says know at at that. That's like that's like Yalta. Chip Hart has left Clermont County. I know. There's floors done, so he left. That's not the reason I was not chip Hart told me that he was scared. When governor said Clermont counties in the red and I have their families in Utah Picture today him. He can't get the motor home into a McDonald's drive through, so he's standing in line. It's a crisis. Between cars chipped art, the host of the big outdoors. He's scared. Clermont County Public Health spokesman Keith Robinson told the enquirer on Friday quote and the last seven months. Okay, we've had a total of seven deaths and the last two weeks six hospitalizations, not resulting in death. How does that square ripping in the red? So the thing about this say. Debts I don't get it one per month and a county with two hundred and ten thousand residents, seven total deaths everage age is eighty six. And the last two weeks. Six hospitalizations no deaths now removed up to the red status. Clermont County your reaction. UNBELIEVABLE ANTIBAC-. Wayne County about Tuscaroras got that right here. Hockey Athens sentiment was echoed in pick away and Fairfield counties in central Ohio less populous counties. They've had less cases than Clermont County. What about Lucas, but they're? In the Red Lucas is in the red. I'm asking a question. There's been four. Democrats on Toledo City Council yeah indicted. Okay, we've only had one, but we got five more under criminal investigation by the Special Prosecutor. PG setting fell Chris. He'll Bark Wendell young and Greg landsman. They're just waiting for their day of rain for the Hammer. Could we have. Could we exceed? What were Toledo is done and have five council members indicted instead of only four. Is that where we're headed? G Be better than Toledo wants to be the mayor. We have to be better than Toledo. Absolutely and PG says it's not about me. It's about you and what you want so pg about me. Because I'm going to be in the joint. Hey could be in the mayor seat on a work release program. You have to wear orange free PG. Get him out of prison. Get Him to serve as the mayor. I mean and he does this oblivious to everything around. Thank you oblivion, I know I'm going to sexy underwear business, so he gets in a sidelight. It does again from PG. I'M GONNA sexy underwear business I heard he ran out the former, a Victoria secret across away from US Kenwood towne centre up a lot of business in the sexy underwear business I assume. You got to do something, too. Many guys I know. When sexy underwear is that fair to say? where it Nah I, would not I normally go buffalo else. You go commando. Yes, I do. I have nothing to hide. Women like sexy underwear, and so does, but I respect that guy for that. He knew something good. Wife got a new family. Was She on Shark tank you when he got that Gig? Yes, he was. He's doing mail order sexy underwear from Lucasville. Say Give me out of the suits. report. We take more calls. How about this I'm taking calls? Will the on a history making day here the tri-state on this Tuesday. beautiful sunshine and Blue Sky. Ten days away from reds opening day. Are you sure? At least I think but nobody can go. Nobody can go, so do they play the Tigers? Tuesday Wednesday Thursday correct next Tuesday and Wednesday your scrimmages. Are we do right here on the radio? To Winston. Correct now, Friday I'm told is going to be a virtual party from the holy grail when none of us their virtual. We leave with the immortal words of the stew report which all Americans happy Thanksgiving. And may God bless you. That was a fourth of July dress from Bush forty three. Sake thank you. You're welcome as continue with more remember Dr Amy Acton Day. Which is February the twenty I'm begging February the twenty ninth as whether the automated. Skip it only one every three years us continued Bill Cunningham newsradio seven hundred w Olivia. Billy Cunningham at Kennedy just. Not Talk to him off the air and he was in traffic. You had like eight thousand pounds behind him. So we're GONNA have to He said he's GONNA call back when it gets out of traffic so always good to hear from Kenny of Norway. gives us his eliminating thoughts and expressive fashion. One of the best calls I got I forget. The guys had called me I tonight and this afternoon. And said that ninety two year old mother in the beginning said this was a joke, and that not to go to work and shutdown has never happened before an American history ninety two year old. Nice, she has like one hundred grandchildren and grandchildren, ninety two years old, functioning and home. Instead of we've been through everything depressions Ward Ward Diptheria to. Rheumatoid fever. We've had a polio. We've all the stuff going on. And she can't understand how. It was possible that anybody would say go home. Shut down and don't work. You just don't do that as Americans overcome especially one. This is a problem in nursing homes, and not a problem in the general population. Unless you're at risk of something else like F, you have asthma underlying conditions, maybe a heart valve replacement. You're more at risk than some young healthy stud like Matt Steinman a little bit more, so I wear my masters right here. I got the. I got the alcohol I. I pay attention, but we're GONNA find out not today at too because the governor is going to make an announcement at two o'clock on Thursday. Two o'clock on Thursday about the next step in which counties are GonNa go from red to purple in the room, and it's only a room or not a believe. It's an indication that a county in southwest. Ohio maybe put in the Purple Category, which means everything is shutdown once again, which means the schools can open. That's Thursday to, and I pray to God that doesn't occur because the children are not at risk and schools exist for the children, not for the teachers or the administrators. Or the therapist or the IRS They exist for the students themselves, and as I announced two hours ago, according to the CDC there's about eighty million Americans in school eighty million, actually, the number on Google was eighty, two million call eighty million, and all of that time morning it right here CDC in the last six months there's been thirty children under the age of fifteen thirty died of Covid, nineteen and the typical year about two hundred, the flu, four hundred from suicide, six, hundred and twenty-five from homicide and forty, one hundred from unintentional deaths, including drowning children are not at risk. Let's continue with your calls. Shot on the other side Matt and make sure I. Don't talk. We got. We got Audrey Marianne Jason and your calls next five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand, Bill Cunningham, the great, American live return with the reds, newsradio seven hundred. wwl W Cincinnati. Let's continue in your calls. The governor announced the come on today at two o'clock or Wednesday at two o'clock he'll be her Thursday two o'clock, which is raising speculations as to whether it'll be major announcements made about the nine to eleven counties in Ohio, that are red to make them purple. One of course might be Hamilton County so tomorrow. We're going to have on Denise Tree House, the President Hemmer County Commissioner talk about that, and so much more. Let's go back to the calls and I go to Audrey Marianne Jason Lee then many others. Others and first of all audrey, thank you very much for your patience and audrey on a cell phone. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham show and Audrey. How are you? I'm great. How are you bill? Thank you for your patience. Thank you. You're welcome and I thank you for bringing us the truth. We need it right now. And I have to factual stories to tell you about to relatives I have in health care. are hospitals need to be investigated because we're not getting the number their true numbers because one relative told me that There was a man who had tested negative five times for covid yet on his death certificate the Doctor Marks Cove it. And instead of he died of natural causes and have at times, Families Complain, and they were paid us out dollars to keep quiet and audrey. The reason is the federal government will reimburse hospitals thirty nine thousand dollars, if it's a covert nineteen death, and if it's not a covert death, you don't pay when you pay for something you get more of it. When you subsidize, subsidize it or tax, you get less of it I. Know that to be true, and that's what's happening and because that needs to be stopped. They don't need that money for Covid they have everything they need and the other hospital same situation This person was a friend of the relative, and he said that he would be replaced if he didn't put Kobe down is the reason for death? Want to save their job of course I. don't blame that person I. Guess wouldn't falsify an official record of that title win. The hospital's administrator, said look. You have to market that way you you know. They paid for the Ba- band, so they call the tune, and what? Why is it so political? How come the whole system is setup political and then one conservatives call them on it. They accused the Conservatives Republicans of engaging in their behavior right. It's just too political now. They all just WanNa hurt president trump. And we can't get correct information from. The World Health Organization or CDC. And Republican leaders need to stand up. And they need to speak because they want. Our vote doesn't happen much, doesn't Audrey? No, it doesn't doesn't and also I wanted to mention about these mass. Since you were talking about those earlier. This surgical masks that most of us wear the paper. One is supposed to be for in Stir Cheryl environments. And we wear them. Do Grocery everywhere and cloth. Ones are worse because they don't filter anything coming in. They just filter. What's going out? And so they're, they're useless. They look Nice but now the surgical masks. They said you need to turn out. Replace Them every twenty or thirty minutes. Or other non sterile. We're hurting ourselves with keeping all that carbon dioxide, and and not getting fresh air. Tell you story. That rocky told me yesterday about. How is the perception of safety when it, isn't it? He told me the story and I'm sure it's true that. When you're in the middle of the south. Pacific and there's a day off for a ship that what happens is that the sailors men and women they jump into the ocean. They around and every time they do that. They have somebody with a machine gun on the deck, supposedly providing security in case, a shark or a killer whale, or a might manner, ray comes up that you can shoot the shark and so. So why from around? And gives you the perception that you're safe and so end reality. The guy with a machine gun will tell you look the sharks. Come up from the bottom up. They don't they don't circle. Yeah, you're done. But while you're out there, splashing around, you have the perception that you're safe. Reason the masters required. Is because it gives you the perception. You're safe and it's government control of your life, and it's got nothing to do with your own health, because it doesn't protect you at all. Out, so I can. If I in fact I, was I was in a building, and there was a couple and look like a male nurse, female nurse in scrubs with the top of the mask between the lip, and the nose and I'm thinking you know, and and if you don't try it, Audrey going into a place in Ohio or Kentucky not wearing a mask, he'll be shamed into restaurants and will wear a mask until we're ready to eat. Do you. Have to because you want to, you want to help that restaurant. Out Yourself I want to get out and and the governor said last week that if you wear a mask, we're going to get out of this pickle were in. We're going to go back to school now. Let's see what happens on I. Guarantee You that eighty percent or more of the individuals I see out in public facilities are wearing a mask. Unusual now and so we've done what they've asked us to do. Knowing is not going to help us at all, but we submitted ourselves to the authority of the state as a symbol of compliance, and so if this results in more crackdowns when there's not a public health crisis and the general population that will be sick now if I'm if I, or you are in a nursing home and eighty seven years old and bad health, we are at risk and there's. Going on, but in the general population in the Tri State there is no. CARE crisis and the general population, and the the Tristate Ohio is had less than one hundredth of one percent have died of Kobe. If it was one percent by God. Think about that one hundred. I mean. If it was to ever was one percent, we'd be talking about one hundred and twenty thousand deaths. and. We have three thousand. And get the flu and get over it like we do any other flu because. It's less than a seasonal flu. At this point Audrey. They want to convince us that they're in control. They know what they're doing and you better submit. That's why we're wearing a mask. It's not because he's going to protect me or someone else because we don't follow the protocols on mask-wearing. It's something we do, so we don't get yelled out. Let's continue Marianne Jason both have been there for an hour and a half. We've got to get them on and Lee Amy Jennifer and. And many others. Let's go to Marianne Marianne. Welcome to the bill Cunningham show and Marianne please go ahead. Hi, I wanNA know what I feel like. I'm screaming in the wind. What can we do to make dewine? No, we are not happy with the I'm not eighty percent. I am not four dewine. Because he's ruining our economy, he won't let he's not gonNA. Let the kids go back to school. So who do we call? Do, we do you tell us? Marianne the governor, every two or three days runs a poll and he get on that I like to get on the pole and say I. He's got seventy five to eighty percent approval ratings USA. Today ran a poll a week ago. The most popular governor in America is Mike Dewine. So. How do we make him on? I. I used to speak to him. I'M GONNA. We texted back and forth about a week ago, so I'm GonNa make an effort. Between now and Thursday to communicate to him. What is actually happening not in Columbus on Main Street? In Small Town America, which is where and how he got elected everyone. I won't say ninety nine percent everyone I speak to think this is completely overblown. That's exactly what I believe. Can I am seventy eight? I WANNA food. Pantry, I meet people all the time. I am healthy. Why aren't people saying? We're tired of this we have, and I agree with their first caller that ninety two year old woman who she was right. We have laid down and said take US whatever you want. Do to us, and we don't want that. You can imagine if the snowflakes alive today were in charge award war to Oh my God, we'd be dead. Beckons Deutsche Specialty Deutsche. Yes. What happened to America when I look at the polling, the clearly indicates way of extremely popular politicians who cracked down, but on the other trumpet saying wait a minute we can walk and Chew Gum. This is a problem. Let's open society. He is bludgeoned to death and his poll ratings, and like in the forties. When you shut down, your very explained to me how that's popular. It's not and you know what I believe. If we would've stayed open in the very beginning, this would be over with by now. We would all got the heard virus or whatever they call it an. We'll be back to life again this people. There's too many people that are afraid and I've not afraid I is ridiculous. Marianne at some point we'll have an expiration date. And when the expiration date comes, it's over hopefully. Meet our maker in a positive fashion. But between now and that date I, WanNa live my life as a great American I wanNA. Play Golf. I'm going to go out to dinner on a week. My friends I WANNA Walk I. WanNa Watch sporting events gonNA live I don't want exist. I WANNA live. And right now one third one half of us do not wanna live their life. They're waiting. At death's door to enter. And I wanNA live my life. Let's continue now. We don't stop. We simply continue got Jason Lee Amy than many others Jason First of all. Thank you for your patience and thank you for coming on the bill. Cunningham. Show and Jason Go ahead. Hey Bill. Thanks. A Lot the question I have for you and I think the question that I think all of Ohio wants answered is who is paying the band. That's playing the song. The wine is dancing to Dr NBA. Might, soon have her own day. I heard and that But. Who is who is? Who is the wine actually listening to fix you know and we know that the bachelorette giving out are facts are facts. They're incontrovertible. Nobody's dying in math. With this, so who is he who is telling me telling him to shut everything down jet Jason if we lived at a time. One hundred years ago the Spanish flu. Killed about six hundred seventy five thousand Americans and today's numbers out would be two point two million, so if we actually had two point, two million dead Americans and ten times that number and hospitals, which is twenty million. It would be time to shut down our society. I get it, but when we live in a combat. I bought in at the beginning. I did, too. I, I was given the numbers I was spoken to I was in. Florida was told to get back home. I was given a special pass for for the road blocks. That were coming and I said Oh my God, this is it and when it did not happen, and when people paid attention and the numbers to flatten the curve did not occur because there was no curve. We in the Mid West did not have a curve tube flattened. We were told eighty. Dead Ohioans, seventy, thousand dead hoosiers and Kentuckians, where we're going to have one hundred and fifty thousand dead, Tristate staters my that Oh my God hundred fifty thousand thousand people dead. It is time to shut up no your role, shut your mouth and listen after about a month of that I said now wait a minute. You told US AIMEE ACTON said on March. Twenty Second March twenty second. She said there were one hundred thousand infected ohioans as she spoke in every six days. Dot number doubles so by May first. We were going to have eight million infected ohioans, which means there would be. Be Eighty thousand dead. There'd be eight hundred thousand in the hospital and eight million infected I'm going Oh Jesus Mary and Joseph I better go and light a candle. Because if this happens, we're done and so some time around the first of May and listen to me for the last several months I, said no wait a minute and I talked to Mike. This is what you said and this is what happened. Why instead it's because of the success of people I said when I talked to those who run UC medical and Christ and try health. They're telling me they're empty. They're laying off. They're laying off ER doctors and a middle of a pandemic. He said that's a symbol of our success. I said Great. So when did we start opening things up? He said slowly, but surely that was in May now here we're in the middle of July and the rumor. Is that something more strident going to happen starting Thursday at two o'clock, and now the high winds can't even fly to New York and get off a plane. Yeah Willie, but weren't. We told that no matter Wendy economy reopens. There will be an increase absolutely. So this is not a surprise. This is nothing to scream about, and then claimed at the sky is falling dish. We knew this what happened this. Out of everything with the copay. This is the one thing that has come true that you know. They said what when you open things up, Hannah King now, but you have these massive protests together with opening up both of them together join to have more infection plus these pop-up sites. There's one this afternoon in Lincoln Heights pop-up spot, and when you have these pop-up sites, you're going to have more infection. It is important to be infected or not, because there's generally absolutely no symptoms you know you got it, but but what's important is hospital hospitalizations. Hospitalizations and I see you. How many people in the inquire has said that there's no increase in hospitalizations no increase and I see you, and in fact we're still under one hundredth of one percent and the general population or Ohio right now Kentucky has fewer deaths from covid nineteen on average and the seasonal flu, but Bashir and and the wind keep acting as if we're in this crisis that exists only in their mind, not in reality, and they keep holding his news conferences as if they're in the middle of a pandemic when they're not. These news conferences. Will they have the guts once after they and I believe that the one will start shutting down, and we'll do the stay at home order again. Well. He have the guts in in his weekly or Daily News conferences to tell us the number of Ohio, and that have lost their jobs for good, not just not just for a little bit, but so many businesses. CanNot whether another shut down and the at all so I I challenge governor to wind to Hammock guts town. Violence lost their job. How many families have author homes? Because he reacted inappropriately and having done something wrong, he cannot now go back in time and apologize. He's got his put his head down and put Clermont County into the red category when the and the last seven months they've had six deaths, and in the last according to the public health records, seven deaths total from covid nineteen in the past six months and six hospitalizations, and the last two weeks none resulting in death, and they're in the red category. There's a disconnect between the words and reality. On newsradio seven hundred wwl view. Dot Com Why Am Scotch on broadcasting? And Rocky Governor, not on today fortunately, but that worries me because he's going to lay the people's elbow down on Thursday Thursday. The BEHAN IS GONNA come out the People's elbow. It's GonNa. Be Andre, the giant with the Hulk Stir. And I. Never Thought Hawks are ever actually beat Andre the giant. Am I right or wrong. Thing people remember. Is that he by slamming I, but if Andrei wanted to fight? It was over I would take him against a grizzly bear. Now you have papers? Facts segment deals with poetry. You have a problem in your community. You're probably wall. Thank you hit the hit this again. From rocky boy meets buddy. If you don't think you have a problem in your community, you're probably wrong, so if you don't think you have a problem, you're wrong. So what are the facts? I'm just trying to understand everything here of why Hamlin County, let's say is potentially entering the purple right purple my way, so you know the criteria right there seven. Through. Who voted on this criteria Matt Steinman. Past Tony Bender Tony Bender so Y-. Every single one seven is I'm looking at here. Have to do with cases has to do with deaths. Cases and hop pop testing is a big deal. You get more of those automatically you get. Five of the set criteria number five sustained increase in outpatient visits, the data the set looks at the number of people visiting outpatient settings, including telehealth appointments with suspected or confirmed Kobe one, thousand, nine, hundred suspected, or can so I I have like favorite kind of look like you may have it so boom. That goes into. into Saturday how many thousands of bread counts number? Four counts sustained increase in your er data will show us the trend in a number of people who visit an emergency department cove, nineteenth symptoms or a Kobe diagnosis as a result of the visits, he could go to get your tonsils out and before they do. Hey, let's get covered pests. Your show news sums boom positive cover tests your added to the list analyst. County and the last ten days have had five or six hospitalizations, and therefore they've gone up. Four hundred percent hang counties at seven hundred ninety nine total hospitalization. That's total since February. Seven so it's one hundred a month. Yes, but we have two thousand five hundred fifty seven beds account. We Have Bethesda Christ good. Samaritan Jewish hospital. Mercy Anderson Mercy Health West mercy handling. Try Health and University of Cincinnati as up to two thousand, five hundred and fifty seven beds, twenty, five hundred, and it gets about like eighty a day. But, even if all all of them haven't at once, we would still have what is that over? Seventeen hundred available beds. Still you're standing any this shirt I. Don't think he is go ahead. Tell me to crisis. Three thousand deaths out of twelve million people seventy percent of nursing homes in the general population. You call it one thousand deaths, that's under one hundredth of one percent in Ohio of the three thousand sixty four deaths eighty-two had been under fifty. That's around percent eighty, two under fifty, hundred fifty. You understand that say yeah. I don't think seventy. It's two thousand and three hundred and sixty to seventy eight percent segment. percent of the House deaths have been seventy plus. We shut down school shutdown nursing homes. Schools and how many children in America feel six point six million? From K. through high school and then add what like. Twenty twenty twenty minutes. About so, how about just K. through high school? That's an America's about fifty. Six million of the fifty six million I assume half have a Kobe nineteen. No no absolutely enough. How many of added so from five to twenty four five to twenty, forty, two, thousand four, there have been one hundred seventy deaths of school aged kids k. through college. There's been one hundred and seventy th, and by the way Ben numbers been consistent for about two weeks. So it's fair to say it is under zero point zero zero something. They're not at risk there's. Bad and it smelled Jackie Yeah. So you saw California. They're gonNA shut down yeah. Down shut it down so of the nine million kids under age eighteen, nine million under eighteen California California, how many died from Cohen I would assume four and a half million. Snow Zero Zero so when? You know they serve like a million million half. Students shunned no zero zero. Zero. I'm watching. MSNBC also known as MS ESPN this morning. And they have a reporter out in front of the sewage treatment plant in Phoenix Arizona, and behind this female reporter. Quite attractive I might add is a VAT. Looks like circulating poop and she did a stand up, saying they can tell how much infection there is by analyzing the poop in the sewer system. Would you? Would you like to have that Gig? Wait so so in order to test me. They gotta stick a Q. Tip like all the way up into my brain in order to determine. If I got an accurate mortgage, check your you know what come on I'm just telling you. I'm watching this and behind her was. A Little semi droplet gets on someone cove nineteen, but to get tested I got sick. A Q. Tip always into my skull out the top of your head, and back in you gotTA. About this right for mortar Demi Moore I don't deal with facts. Go ahead, says you understand any of this, so this is in Florida Florida Department of Health. And all their positive They're confirmed cases like Friday. It was ten, thousand, three hundred. Saturday was a max of any state fifteen, thousand, three hundred, so news agency down there Fox thirty five is looking in this. The population has has everyone's got got hair grown out of their eyeballs well, they looked into some of these. These places specific testing locations in. Diagnostics right just is in some county in Florida it was reporting eight percent of their tests were back came back as positive impossible, so they dug a little bit, and it turned out that that actually isn't. What happened was only nine point four percent, so they had the decimal point moved in the Orlando. Veterans Affairs Medical Center originally said they had seventy six percent positively. They dug into start asking you questions and they admitted it was actually six percent. Why would they admit to lies? Then one caught changing because of the green lettuce or salvation. Get paid, yes. Well might dewine say Thursday at two o'clock. Hamilton County. You're in the purple. They can't. It'd be anarchy. With pitchfork. Can't physically can't do it. According to Larry Householder as long as his approval, ratings are eighty percent. He's not changing. How many polls even in your life have you been asked? Were approval rating for the governor not yet. Might Happen, I know no I said. Are you often pulled? Now. You know what we're talking about. No. Now. Why are we the mask? I had another expert. The mask may protect someone else. If you're infected, it doesn't protect you from catching it from somebody. And secondly you got to follow all the protocols on mask handling mass disposal. You can't wear the same mass more than like three hours. It's got to be washed out every night. It's got to be dried and so if you use it so. So it has nothing to do with public safety everything to do with submission to authority has got nothing to do with keeping you safe for your wife. Say for your kids as to do with you. Understanding I'm in charge, and you're not the image of safety I told you the story. Yes, tell the story about the separate, so my buddy is a naval academy cyclists. You might understand this. And again this has to do with safety versus that perception of safety so is in the naval. Academy and he's on a submarine right, and they go out way out in the middle, the alantic ocean cassie see land for hundreds of thousands of miles right so they come to the top of the water there and they allow them to go swim. Sailor nor jump out swimming. Will they put someone on the deck with an M16 right? In That person at say. Maybe that's a guy from Saint Louis. Might be the guys say. He'll be arrested, so they gotta go up there with M16 his job is to. A shark comes to shoot the shark. Okay, so my buddy and other swim round. Great Time we'll protect them back on the submarine. How long you've been doing about twenty years ago, so in twenty years. How many sharks have you shot or even? He goes none he goes. If a shark comes to attack you, it's GonNa come underneath the water. I won't even see. We've bitten half because I'm just here to make you feel safe. act. The image of safety in the perfect announcing safest isn't safety important. Don't you want not drive a car? Not Jumping Swimming Pool. What played golf? You must be hidden ahead. Why go bowling I mean match diamonds a great bowler, but every now and then he throws out his shoulder and can't bowl I. isn't it better to stay home in the closet? Get in bubble wrap and do nothing. In that better one of life has the have experiences. So when you're in your latter years, you can say more I did this. I did this and you bring your grandson. Your kids ever say boy. When I was young, I went, and did you gotTa have some stories tell? Your book about. Not Getting Anything to do with else plugs. Thank you. You're welcome. By the way pre orders are amazing. I am a tax from A. L. In college official says ask rocky. When's HE GONNA start a campaign to get rid of the word bomber from Saint Ex, he goes and kills a bunch of innocent people. Crusaders are done at Muller because of killing Muslim men, women and children, and also the Lancers are done because it depicts artifacts USA slaughter, innocent people, and the Panther Celebrates Yui, Newt Huey Newton Right Black Panther so elder. They're in trouble. So what's left? The rocket kills. Coleraine Cardinal. That's kind of A. Kind of a bird. That doesn't this small little chirping bird. That doesn't win the big games. Only one of the wildcats especially against Saint Action the playoff about saint excellent play offs all. High School will be a high school game this year. Oh Man I. Don't know I. I don't know. Any looking good, what about the SEC I? Am Positive? There's reasons. To play our kids are not at risk better off being on a college campus amongst other people of his or her age. Okay, that are otherwise unaffected by this with all kinds of treatment, availability and millions of dollars worth of facilities are they more safer, there or are they safer back home safer? Guam bars and no. Have you seen with? Teenage boys are doing now. Basketball baseball soccer swimming there camping. They're living life and their with others like themselves. They don't pay attention to any of this. So by getting back in school, you put them in a more of a cloistered environment lesson structure. Young people need drugs. You agree, say structure. What happened to him about that having to me? What about the girl used to date at Coleraine? WHO's worked without pedophile? What's her name? What merit was a tracy? What's her name? That was a long time ago. was supposedly she had somebody under her. That had sex with teenage girls. Have you seen that story? Say you talking about. What do you know about this? Know Nothing and. Whether. She turned me down I. Guess Lane Maxwell is. Singing like a canary right now. How long was she killed herself yet like the other guy and. The same joint humane murdered whenever to Maya Denard was the chief of staff to WHO. Owns you fit and Phil how many years like four five and now? She's singing like a canary in pg saying. This isn't about this isn't about me. It's about you well. Can you get a work release program to come back to be the mayor of Cincinnati? WanNa. Know is what if what if he walks up. There puts his hand on the Bible right hand up and all of a sudden. There's a policeman back there. Put the cuffs on him right before he becomes mayor. Because Toledo has four of nine. We might have five of nine with the gang of five to beat out tour Toledo. More of our, we got more corruption around here. No care about that I care about the whole county and other counties in Ohio getting shut down for no reason. Yeah, we. We need a candidate to say trust me Allsteel less than the rest. We, need that candidate to step up and say trust me. I'll steal less than the rest of the less corrupt. Less corrupt you're in. Rocky wanted to run wanted to run for city. Council should be my. I'll be less corrupt than most trust me I'm not gonNA steal as much as PG and Seal Bach, and Wendell I feel less there, you go rock. A free book. Go the motto is you vote for me to get a book? It's like Roosevelt with the chickens still less than the rest in every pot that now that was you. But how about harsher? than the rest. Not Bad, not bad. I'll try not to be locked up during my time in office. I'm only going to hire friends and family members and I'm not taking that big of a cut from their salary either some be honest. With the electorate in your mic remember, it's not about me it's. How does he stand up there and say that with a straight face I? Don't know I. Don't know that's that's. Inconsequential say give me some sports. We'll hear the stooge. Reporters Approach Service of a local tempstar heating air conditioning dealers tempstar quality. You could feel a beautiful Milford Baker Heating Eight, three, one, fifty, one, twenty four. I'll still much less than the rest opening day ten days away, will he is reds? Get still get ready to face off against those tigers now one week away now for the first scrimmage against the Tigers next Tuesday night. Can anyone be there? No, please continue borrowed at four o'clock the franchise tag deadline. Slap it on number eighteen AJ. I say yes. Nothing so because they're not gonNA, pay him. And not going to release them release. You GotTa Muslim Veterans fever for how much money's going to get like fourteen, million or something like that by the way, everyone is rooting against the preseason all we hate preseason games. You're happy that. PRESEASON Games canceled. How's that going to work out for a young rookie quarterback? You can't even Zad no ta days and gone no nothing nothing in person going with maybe two most likely zero