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"English driver in that as well? One of those four stars article one of the three stereotypes that he won? But whatever it was, it came off and he didn't face spit to his boss, but he did resign. And retired. He won over 250 grand and just went, that's it. That's enough. I'm done now. Cheerio, bye bye. Alan is his name. I don't want to give you a second name away because it might be a bit too much, but he kind of stand for it. Yeah, I think you might have bought a little island somewhere or something like that, but just magic. Absolutely magic, delighted for him. And he'd been telling me about it the whole way through. Did I put a scent on it? I backed George Washington quite hard, but it didn't follow in on the other stuff. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. You love to see it. And with some bloke, one of the big betting companies in the UK, one 400 grand from the lucky 31 the other day? Magic. Nice. Small stakes. Yeah, I won't be spitting on anybody's face in the back office this week. I can guarantee. Well, perhaps if Aaron McCarthy was to royal you up again, if you get beaten in a photo finish and you send out another WhatsApp saying, oh, that's a done with that might but no, you're too much of a class act for that. And indeed, we all are. Right, that's it. Boys enjoy punches down. It is going to be the Willy Mullins show. It is William Mullins bingo in full flight, but I'm still looking forward to it. It's a terrific way to bid farewell to the jump season. And then we're focused on the flat, but then so we can be here to break down a bunch of them with us. And indeed, the jump season in total next week and then we're all about the classics. Just briefly learns any thoughts on Frankie Victoria doing the flying dismount just a little bit too early on chaldean the other day, Perry. And yeah, I'm not as big as fan, as I've made clear before on the program. And I thought it was very poor. I thought it was, look, I've only seen it once or twice, and I
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"The past. Another one that deserves a mention for me is Willie Muller's horse embassy gardens and not too sure if you kind of go or not, but if he does, he'd have a squeak in there. He was disappointed in the outer part of the previous to that. He had shown a decent level of foreign bodies organic, one of your sets, the standard, but it wouldn't be surprised if Salvatore Ziggy can improve our body showing so far as I said. He's had almost 6 weeks after his run at chat lema and good time Johnny has flanked the farm. So savitar Ziggy I think he'll be around about a 6 or 7 to one chance and he represents cool value each way if we can get the 8 runners, which I'm hopeful we might just do. Somebody is going ten to one. Okay, well that's a bit of a, you know, I didn't think it would be that big now. I didn't think you'd be that big. No, the thing is, is this a company that you're only going to get two quid on with and then you have to submit your DNA and blood in order to actually make the withdrawal. But if they will let you take that. Happy days. And I think that's a very, very interesting, particularly what Mark watch book for Gordon Elliott. A non JP horse. Mark Milligan, which way are you going? Yeah, I was with Salvador Ziggy as well. Because I'm not absolutely convinced gela wants to go this far, to be honest. He's a relatively speedy horse he seemed to cope with the step up to two mile 5 last time. Was he running at the finish like a horse who wants to go an extra couple of pounds? I'm not absolutely convinced. He's the best horse on form, but he's got a question to answer for me as regards the trip. Salvador Ziggy is a horse who's on an upward curve, run really well in that big runner field at Charlton last time. Mark Walsh taking over. I think there's plenty to like about this one. And that ten to one, if people can get on it, that would be very tempting particularly from an each way perspective. David Russell obviously had his glorious comeback at entry and it worked out a treat for him. Jordan gainford is also back at ponche town and hopefully he'll be in the great one winners list as well. I think he will be with favreau the north butchered that pronunciation apologies. To the earlier reason everybody involved with the horse. But I like him an awful lot. I liked him for the potato race. That race was a complete disaster. Disaster darling for me. The two horses that I had a shortlist of 5. They're all still running, including this velvet water Shandong. But that was too bad to be true. He'd been very good at Lincoln prior to that. We know that he stays. He jumps well. Over this distance, I'd be very keen on him at 6 to one, and I would agree with Mark that I'm not so sure this is what Kelly warrior wants, but hey, William Mullins has put them in there, but is he putting him in there? Because they're just playing musical chairs and fishing him in. He is Willie's only runner in the race, which is another intriguing element of it, but I will take him on. Stone gold cup. Grade one. This race should be Paul ten and blowing kisses to the crowd. Indulging in a nice bottle of moet as they are fighting at the finish for second. On less brave man's game turns up. In which case, things could get interesting. But and right now, Harry carbon is joked up on him. But Barry call, I haven't heard anything change. In the situation between John dance, and the administrators who have been brought in to oversee it as everything has been frozen. And they took out a court order to stop him running at entry. We surely that would then also extend to Ireland. So if he runs, that's terrific and great and he'll be he will add to the occasion for sure. I know Paul Nicholas has said that he hasn't been told he can't run him, but I don't understand how they were blocked from running at entry if they can run here. Yeah, well, Ireland's a great little country, isn't it? Well, a brown envelope would look I can confirm that he has been given the green light to run at conscious town and his owner brand vehicle for him to know is that he has been given clearance to go ahead and run. So that's coming from the horses noticed, and then he said he said he's been given the green light to go ahead and got up on the show. Obviously going to go our favorite 7 to two one brave man's game, the round of a 5 to one, you can have 8 envoy island and 20s by our purely
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"Since and then, of course, classic getaway from Willie Mullins, he could be anything really good to use decent and over hurdles and he hasn't answered before Christmas. I think it was. So he could be anything. It's interesting Paul's not on Danny's down to ride him. So you think if he was a real superstar, Paul would get off and put look appreciate it. He's solid and off he's like a solid grade two horse and a grade one if you know what I mean. That's a decent standard, but I think one of the other two could possibly possibly just improve ahead of them but outside with journey with me, I think the uterus are sort of grade two great three horses are very hard. It's just not the horse that we thought he was going to be. And I think appreciate it sort of in that bracket and the fact that Paul is not working classic getaway. It will swing me towards journey with me around to the flight the two for rob car hunt Henry the bromhead and Rachel blackmore. We shout out to Dennis Oregon as my vocal cords get attacked by frogs theory me apologies everybody. And thank you for sticking with us during these technical difficulties. Basically the technological difficulties being me in this episode of the final for the podcast. But Dennis Cole depreciated as a stair. Very early on, thank you the first day he ran over fences. When he was reviewing that place, he was like, he could be a national hunter's national festival. That's what he's saying. He knew and we all knew that he wouldn't be eligible for that race because of the qualifications. But the point he was making is he would be better in staying trips. And he was knocking it on the head any ideals and being an arcal candidate. And this is probably what he's been crying out for to be fair, so you're at least getting arguably his ideal trip. But he's still got questions. He's still got and I'd be with Barry. I don't know. Reaching for the tongue tie as well seems like an act of desperation and SAAR Gerard look, we've been here done that bought the T-shirt. He comes to bunches down and he just does not like it. It just doesn't happen for him there, which seems weird because he's actually posting reasonable enough figures going right under. Not great, but reasonable enough. So I've come down a classic getaway. And that's who I'm going to go with, Mark Milligan. Danny Mullins gets the right. I was really taken with them at gore and park and heavy ground on his chasing debut. I think they were a bit surprised themselves that day. And he hasn't had a run since, which isn't ideal, but clearly he goes well fresh and he'll stay. So I'm going to go with classic getaway. What about you, Mark? Yeah. I hear what you're saying about Sega had and punches town. But that's not going to put me off. I'm sticking with him. I'm sticking with him. I think look, he was beaten in a bumper there, a couple of seasons ago. It wasn't he? Probably beaten for a lack of speed more than anything else. And last year, when he dropped back to two miles in the champion novice again, his jumping just I don't think, despite the fact he was winning over two miles as a novice. And I just don't think he was jumping well enough, particularly over hurdles at two miles. That was the problem. More than more than punches town. I think he was just the fact that in certainly last year he's jumping in that champion novice, just didn't hold up well enough. And that obviously has been the case in a couple of his starts over fancy as well. He didn't, he didn't jump all that well at guard and did even the one that three were in a race. And his jump in kind of went to pieces at cheltenham to start to go, but he was much, much better, I thought, against flame bearer last time. And I think Flynn bear is a really good horse. And there's no disgrace there in losing out by half a length to that one. He jumped much better last time. I think ultimately three males will prove to be his best trip because they're not going to go hard. They're going to go a step slower. That will enable him to get into a jumping rhythm and sticking with him. I've already written in my fair column that I think he'll win this. And I'm hoping that he's still the horse that we thought he was going to be couple of seasons ago. And I take on board the punches town element, but I just don't think I think it's a bit harsh to just on two runs there to be honest, small sample sizes and all that. Like you say, spawn right handed is generally okay, perhaps not at the same level as these form going left handed. But I'm with segue hard in here. If we were to use the inferior handicap racing service, racing coast ratings compared to time form. And it's just because that's what's in front of me, Mark Milligan, and also I throw a lot of shade of the racing post the PDFs that they do are absolutely exceptional. Right handed he's posted RPOs of one 6 two. Which will be right up there with his very best. His highest over fences is one 5 9. In the context of over fences going left handed it's one three four. So right handed undulating tracks one 6 two. That would that would allay fears, but I do think he's better left handed. And I think they would concede that as well. And the run against flame bear the last day was a cracker. I started to get worried because I had back flamberg that sir Gerard was going to nail him later on. And that's a difficult way to live back on. I'm just not sure about this trip either. I don't know if this is what he wants, but if he does absolutely superb and Mark makes a very strong case for him. The Irish mirror novice hurdle, grade one, this kicks off day two of our coverage. And Barry cor, what's the betting with betak?
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"Well around here before in the past. He's a high class or I was just pumped up against one at Maharashtra got a good ride in fairness actually out long before. You had to get away from faster than Vega. Four for 7, little bit short for me in the open up as I say it's hard to get away from him. I wanted a big fan of 50 found what he was a little bit disappointing for them. But it could be interesting to see how he gets on. It's a good opener, a good grade won't open up, but it's hard to get away from faster than Vega from me. Yeah, it is, Mark. Everything Barry said there, we completely agree with. I put up diverge as an anti prospect for the champion hurdle because if constitutional keeps going that way, everything else will run terrified of them. This fellow will probably stay over hurdles, and he might be able to step up, but it's literally throwing it out of the board. I just thought at a 50 to one 66 to one, he might be worth a go. If something weird was to happen. And I do think you can run a big race here, but he does need to turn form around with Faso Vega from cheltenham. The thing is he might be able to do that because he's had a much lighter campaign. It was a big run. And fascism Vega was in front for a long way and would have run harder to the line, so he had a harder race, but he backed up last year. Is he going to do so again? Yeah, I think he probably will. If you put in your hopes on diverge, you basically going down the route that you just said there at you. The fact that this is just his fourth room. So he is open to improvement, but there's also an element that actually fossil Vega had been held onto a bit longer at chart than he probably had beaten diverge a bit further, wouldn't he? Yeah, I mean, marine nationale was played later. Got a really, really good ride, one of the rides of the festival I thought, but marine nationale superb ride and if Paul town and at that race again, he would probably ride facilities even more patiently. I think he'll ride in patiently this time. I think he's just got a bit of a class edge. Diverge is obviously a candidate to improve. He's only had the three runs, but he's going to have to improve markedly to overtake facilities. I think. Yeah, I agree. And look, that's how big is very likeable horse. Patrick won this race last year. He's won other great ones at the festival. I'm going to chance diverge. Just if something like we've seen fasil Vega bomb out before admittedly, that was not Paul town's finest hour. And it would now appear very, very clear. That's exactly what happened. They went way too hard out in front. But then he's also been beaten at cheltenham. So he's not unbeatable. He is a star. Make no mistake about it. He is still a star of this game. I'd love to see him win. But he bleeds as our international correspondent Anton vanko keeps telling us if there's blood in the water, the sharks will come. Well, he is mortal, he bleeds, so I'm going to take a chance with diverge at three to one. By the way, there are 17 runners declared for the grade one races on day one. At the punch down, first of all. Yeah, it's very poor, isn't it? Do you know how many Willie Mullins is responsible for? Barry call? Ideal, so I won't cheat or pass it over to America. He's got around about 12 or 13, something like that. Oh, he went over. Yeah, I think it's 11, is it? So Willie Mullins bingo at its finest, which, by the way, for those who are saying, hey, we gotta do something about this maniac Willie Mullins. We have to put restrictions on the amount of we don't live in an authoritarian dictatorship, thankfully. I don't know why I'm going for those kind of words when I can barely speak today for medical reasons. Which are not particularly pleasant. But hey, it's a podcast. I clarify that I clarify your medical issues. You're right there, actually, 'cause that's gonna get clipped out and be like. It's just a two take. Well, it's not just a toothache. One of my teeth cracked and came apart. That's the, that's the problem that happened Friday, so there was no dentist open. And it's gotten considerably worse and is now extremely, extremely painful, so as soon as this broadcast is done, I am jumping in the car and driving straight to a dentist who hopefully will supply me with all the painkillers in the world. But yeah, William Mullins then go rolls on to the championship. Oh yes, for people who are saying we have to we have to clamp down at the amount of horses and training. No, you can't. This stuff was being said about Paul Nichols back in the day. Michael O'Leary, we had to do something about him. He was having too many runners, it goes in cycles. And while it doesn't seem like it will end right now, I think we should just be admiring what Willie Mullins is doing. And the show that he's putting on. And he is running his best horses against one another, which he's going to do again in the William hill champion chase. We've got the champion chase or an origami. We've got gentlemen to meet who had to skip cheltenham and blue lord who it didn't happen for on his last two starts. But what are the current prices Barry call with bed deck? Yeah, once again, Mullins domination in the champion chase so you have an ergonomic is currently 11 to four on 92 gentlemen to me 8 blue lord and 33 bringing in magic the chakra and of course rebel gold who we are familiar with have a dentist on the show here on Monday and he's given rebel gold mentioned the last time he won. That was 58 days ago, look, it's a huge step up in class up to a grade warm bottom. The NS was quite sweetened in that day.
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"I say, last ten years. Don't you Google this? Don't you ask cha cha chibi? I'm not good. I'm going to go 30. Barry, higher or lower than 30. I am. I will freeze remember you could please on that game higher or lower or freeze. I will go with 20 ace or lower. 72. Almost three times as much as the four trainers I mentioned. That's insane. It's bonkers. Because when you're going down through the great ones, which is what we're going to focus on. You just keep seeing in the last ten years. It's blindingly, it's right there in front of you. It's like, all right, so Willie's one 6 of these in the last ten years or 8 of these unless. Wait, what? He's just swept the board. It's been absolutely insane. So let's see how this week goes, but I suspect, given the Cornelius was talking about because I thought Gordon was going to say, oh, we came to entry for the ground. Yeah, that was an element of it, but he just straight outright said to Lydia's love on racing TV. Asha Willie is going to dominate punches down. So we said we'd come to intrigue. When one of the top trainers in the business is just like, yeah, what's the point? It's pointless. So the Willie Mullins bandwagon roll on with the KPMG champion novice hurdle grade one. Facade bids to win a grade one novice having been second in the supreme circle. There's no marine nationality to fight this time around. What are the prices with bet that currently very cool? Magic and imagine Willie bolling is fairly short to win the Oakland grade one of the week. He is responsible for the first three in America. So facile Vegas currently 7 to four on us. You can have 7 to two 5 to one in a Tom 20 to one found a 50 who was slightly disappointing at aim three having traveled well for a long time and you can have 33 to one event the outside are the all of our mccarran and trained no locking back it's hard to look beyond Willy win on this and obvious statements Emmett. I suppose one way I could have looked at this race is if the supreme wasn't that strong of a race but in the pocket one well at entry. So that's sort of blows that theory out of the water. I think I finished 5th behind all these trade that we see. So you may be able to take the chance and found a 50 I was a big fan of founder 50,
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"And given plenty to deal with a mistake was the mistake just about as they come to the stands the first time. He really, really took her. I didn't think the jump defense the second time around. That's how much he got stuck into that fence, but could win her in the end. I know we'll argue debut made a bad mistake at the second last last. I think it was and then the winning distance was probably exaggerated a bit more there. Very hard to know what we learned. He's obviously and probably doing more at home than he did there on the other day for him. Yeah, twins over two more than they were going to go through. So you just don't know. So he's plowed through that third. I was full of sure he was coming down. And it was a nothing race, but it was pretty damn impressive to be able to keep on going and go on to win. But Dennis, you're the jockey and you were there. What did you make of sir Gerard and Willie Mullins view that they'll be going too fast in the article? So go on half an hour slower. A couple of months an hour slower in the Brown advisory. Let's go for three miles. That's exactly it. That's what he's thinking. He wouldn't get around children. If he, if he ran orbit a shorter distance, I wouldn't think. Also, the fact that he probably thinks he's one of the windier Kalani. But was one of the others, but the only negative is run them over tree while you left the job ten more offenses than you would do over it over two miles. So that's the only negative agent later, John. I thought he went for a beginner's chase because he didn't feel he could win at the highest level. Over hurdles this season is obviously clearly not happy with him. And 8 more surgery hard and to me, he didn't look the same during surgery everybody had seen in the past. And it wouldn't surprise me if he's slightly gone. And that's not been
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"Look for runners to finish it at 20 horse race, wasn't that long of a trip? It's too much 5, but I wouldn't be rushing to back any of those horses to finish in the forest for, I'd say, could have left America and looked at hard race and it was hard gone. But again, well done to the skeletons, and I don't want to talk anymore about that race. I, if you were sending out a message to your colleagues and friends, going lots have been done on the line with a 33 to one shot photo of literally a photo finish. And the response you get back is couldn't happen to a nicer fella. Name and shame that person. Paul Quinn, I'm out of my car. Aaron McCarthy did that. You know, 100%, yeah. I wrote the forest fellow. You know better aren't. Jeez. Shocking, isn't it? That is. Shameful behavior. While also a bit funny. But shameful behavior. How dare this was this was uncomfortable viewing. I backed outlaw Peter. And was genuinely annoyed. At Ed and the ITV team for not showing who'd finished 5th. They realized everything it pulled. Nothing, nothing. That's when they didn't show. Why is the director constantly cutting away from once the fourth horse comes home? Why are you cutting away showers? 'cause he was still galloping at the second last. I wouldn't want to back. Oh jeez, I wouldn't want to back any of these next time. That was a brutal brutal race. Darren briefly from you. Look, I'd be given a serious respect there to very big price, good bet, type of Bentley, have again, you know, to be beaten a short head. Yeah, okay, I think I wouldn't be able to throw in any additional points now, MS, then what you guys have already said. Horse psychologists did not need to be called for persist way who won on Friday in the juvenile hurdle for Gary and Jamie Moore, a three length win, Barry, what did you make of him? Oh, you caught me on the hop there. I didn't see that race. Darren, what did you make him? Are you trying to hit me in trouble? I don't want to get this reputation. We got to be able to. Let's say to be pundits. Without getting stuck in or whatever. No, I didn't watch bike to replay either. And there was no negativity around any reasons for that my apologies. None whatsoever. Yeah, Hailey's not coming for you for this one, to be fair. You're all right. We left on each other, mate. We'll have fun at cheltenham. He wouldn't be trying fertile class, but Fred winter boodles would be very much in consideration for him. I liked the performance and I think he'll do well, but I wouldn't be falling over myself to back him for childhood. Just yet or for any of the spring festivals at the moment, but I would be intrigued if he was to go for the boodles and we have no idea how that's going to pan out. It looks as though that's the race he's going to go for. Final answer is 16 for the build on Saturday 11 16s for the buildings and 30 trades for the trial. Sorry. 16s with bet duck for the voters. That's reasonable enough. That's reasonable. I still have my mindset on the Frankie tight lips runner. But if I keep talking about it, I'm expecting a bullet to be sent to me in the post. So let's just go quite on that shall we? The final horseman talk about then is Patrick Mullins raving about Westport cove, who won the bumper at various and Saturday. He thinks he's a smart horse in the making who was just a little bit immature and could have won by further and another day. Barry, what was your overall impression of him? Yeah, again, very hard to know what he is. He's into 16s for the bumper and his time was listed placed over hurdles. He done a bit wrong as well he raced a bit freely. He could be anything but him, as I say, 16 to the point very hard to know what he heard on a lot of years. And of all the races we're playing Willie Mullins bingo on. I think the bumper is just, it's just impossible. Isn't it? There's so many. I think the currently most bookmakers are betting the bumper to about 500%. And that's not even exaggerating. I think it was 486% when they looked at there's literally hundreds of horses in the bond part. And the majority of our authorities and below, I think once the horse turns up and wins any sort of a book or anywhere, half contributed the price is just ridiculous. So impressive to the eye is well branded, it could be anything cost a few quid, which are back in the 60s. No, no, I wouldn't either. Just very quickly. This is Willie Mullins current list of entries for the champion bumper, blizzard of Oz, who has beaten as an odds on favors on his debut back in December. Chapeau de soy who couldn't be steered at fairy house, but it still held in very high regard. Chosen witness dancing city did I ask you that Doctor Eggman fact to file who won the Christmas meeting at leopard stone. Fancy girl who was a winner of cork the other day, very impressively. The facile mode still with Thomas for now, but is he on his way to Willie after being purchased? We'll see. He's got fun fun fun. It's for me lekki Watson, who was highly regarded for leopard stone, was beaten by facile mode, special cadaver was in behind fassel mode that day as well. The gunner Yates for rich Richie. He's got a few bullets still to fire and plenty of ammunition there. Willie Mullins bingo for the champion bumper Darren. Yeah, look, Westport cove if he was owned by the tunnel is he would be 16. Do you know what I mean? You know, I was suitably impressed. Did as much as could be done decent pedigree as Barry was saying, but really, yeah, you've said it there. You could play your bingo to try and find it, try and find the answer, but if you use a different set of colors, he'd probably be a different price. And yeah, I certainly don't think he's a no hoper. I still only have eyes for better days ahead for the champion bumper for Gordon. I think he's the most likely winner, but let's see there's plenty more to come out. A couple of things to talk about before we wrap up. First of all, Barry, the round of applause goes to you,
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"Is phenomenal. His ability to be able to keep everybody happy and obviously there was the falling out with gigante, but even their back. Hilarious has come back in. So he's balancing all of these high profile resources for various different owners who are inevitably going to clash and yet he somehow managing to keep all of them happy and then bringing more owners on top. It's not that long ago that rich Richie was the dominant owner at the art. Not anymore. That's all changed now. And it's multiple. My understanding is that there's a kind of an unwritten rule that pre Christmas the price tag on particular horses will drive preference. Post Christmas performance drives preference. So yes, if you're after spending 200 grand and we have a particular season opener and a Christmas room in mind, yes, we'll do that. But if the performances don't live up to the price tag, then post Christmas, there'll be no preferences for those type of horses. So I think that it diplomatic is the word that you used. I'd say fair, I think, of course, if you're after investing a large amount of money and you have a particular type of campaign in mind, he's obviously the type of man that you can chat to about that or you're racing manager can chat to about that. Within, you know, after Christmas as the as the picture starts to unfold, he's going to do the best by the best horse in terms of him getting winners. And that's what I believe is the policy and it's understood by the bigger players in the art, but you made a very good point there. Psych to go Amit that it isn't too long ago that he might have been third on the roster, you know, behind others and is now kind of first on the roster and other trainers are going to in behind him. So what I mean by that is if you're one of the big owners, he is first on your roster now, you know, definitely. And I think that's just a direct result of the incredible work that he's been doing over the last two or three seasons. And the others haven't become bad trainers. It's just that we were only discussing this over the weekend. Disco is actually improving. Yeah. You're damn right. Do you know nobody's going backwards? He's just continuously raising the bar. And when he gets the opportunity with the right type of horse, he's putting the ball in the net. And therefore, you know, success breathe in success. And I'm always saying this that we have to start looking at racing more as a sport, you know, in the same way that we'd look at rugby or the Premier League or whatever. And kind of be thinking about it in that way, but you're a 100% right. It's a 100% right. He must be annoyed fell out of the deal with him. I've never spoken to the man, but he must be a noise fell out of the deal was to retain these big owners who it seems money is no object and they can switch to harsh left and right now. I know the success was huge. But he has to be honest with him. If you pay 300,000 pounds for a horse, I would much rather him come to me after 6 months to say this thing is useless and stringy along and stringing along and because it's going to create longevity therapy. You'd appreciate him saying that because the class is good, it costs much to train a government at those who train a bad one. You know that way. So he must be a decent amount of dealers. I remember speaking to, I won't mention his name, but a really high profile trainer. And he said that training horses is the easy part. The hard part is trained on the owners. Yeah, that's what I'm most impressed with in all of this. So the fact that he retains these owners and owners are going back from he must be a gentleman, he must be honest, he must be, he must be a nice fellow today. Well, he is. And to be fair, so is Patrick. I mean, they're cut from the same cloth, but they are incredibly nice. The first time I interviewed Willie Mullins was at his stable during a press day and he just done a whole lot of interviews and I was in line to interview him next, an orti went to cut in front of me, and he said, what are you doing? He's interviewing me. You just slice them straight away. You see, he's called a team potential Emmett. He would have seen you as an open car. This fellow John defense eventually. And that's why he let you in there. It never seems a bit green. Stumbled at the last, but we'll give him a cheek pieces on you and a girl in an operation. I didn't leave with the building operation, but it probably should have to be fair. Blinkers were definitely applied. But he's a gentleman. He is a gentleman. But you mentioned high profile horses and paying off the money for horses. For all the high profile owners who are sure gentlemen and very nice people and lovely to deal with egos are a big thing. They're a big thing, and if you were splashing out 300 grand on a race horse, you want to be able to go and see that horse whenever you want. You want to know that if that horse is as good as the price tag suggests, you want to know you're going to the festivals. You're going to have the priority. And it's not that owners are leaving him. They're increasing their investment and more owners are coming on board. And ten 15 years ago, those owners would be sending their horse to, I want my stable star at Nikki's and have him look after that. I want this source at Paul's. I want this source with Gordon, but now everybody just seems to want to get on the William Mullins bandwagon. And that is an example of his diplomacy. That's an example of how brilliant he is at being able to keep all of those egos of owners in check and be able to keep them happy. And still crush it with victories. I think it might be kind of making a few assumptions there about owners that might necessarily be correct. I don't agree with this idea that because they're very high net worth individuals that they don't give each purchase to consideration or that it's flippant spending to them. These guys get a buzz at a different level to what all 50 quid pointers out there do. So you've got to kind of step into the world that you're actually taking a €300,000 bet on something, right? To get you a result. That's a big play if in the gambling kind of thinking is what I'm saying. And that there's a level of expectation that comes with it as well because of the price tag, but none of these guys are flippant. They will all feel hurt if they spend as Bernie was saying, you know, pay a big ticket and the horse doesn't deliver. You know, there's a huge level of disappointment with that because even though they probably don't back the horses at all, why would you back a horse if you're after investing 300 grand in it? You know, what your place in a bet against there is not trying to believe to be gambling on it. You're trying to get a particular type of result. So these guys take it very seriously. And from being around the odd one of them, the level and nerves that they get pre race is absolutely huge. They're into it emotionally and financially to a level that people don't understand. And I certainly don't. Understand that level of purchase. But yeah, I wouldn't kind of always buy into the idea their high net worth individuals sure, it's just 300 grand to them. You know, no matter who you are, 300 grand is a lot of money and whether you are rich Richie, whether you're rob core, whether you're back to whatever it is, it's still big, big books that comes with a huge emotional waste.
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"willie mullins" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"A pencil in a long time, but look him. He got from a to B again, a horse in another couple of races, he's 16 for the article. I think he's just got depression is too slow for that. He's 14 for the grand annual and he's 16 for the Turner. Look, there's no doubt he is a lot of these type he's a dual grade two when he was with pat Doyle before moving to this fellow Mullins I think his name is. He finished last season the second behind statement in a grade one novice at the festival. And I was just watching his chase debut at nice where he seemed to finish a little bit hard in that race. Tone of our home, he probably would have called him the winner. Or maybe the forum and that race as fondant be better than me thought we see in the winter that race yesterday the journey with me runs our well behind the impervious consciousness, feeling for them. Yeah, look, he's a nice type. He jumped well yesterday apparently the last and he was obviously probably getting a bit longer front he was out there on his own. He was literally a four line front, wasn't he? And it's very hard to know what the opposition was like to run up France and he'd missed most of 2020 war. He had won a couple of races in 2022. I think Richard used to own and bought him. Yeah, flame bearer, again, it's hard to pick holes and obviously the last was a bad mistake. He's definitely improved since nice. It's true from tree around fairly held 16 for the I don't think you go there. He just looks a bit too slow for me for an hour couple damn. Look, undoubtedly, he is a nice guy. Did you say rich Richie you stole him? No, Richard Richard used to owns France in the heart of finished life until yesterday. What? Because I've given Mark Bolton a few shout outs for this. The stable toy that he did with Willie Mullins at the beginning of the season was incredibly detailed there was great information in there, but one of the things that I found fascinating was just how keen on flame bearer Willie Mullins was. And really, he was really big in him, and I think they were very disappointed with his debut. But it does appear as though he just blew up that day. Now they've dropped him in distance for this and it's the time to slower than the handicap chase on the card. Who knows how that race is going to pan out, but he couldn't have done it any easier. They obviously hold him very high regard. Willie was talking about him as being a leading grade one contender for them this season before he'd even jumped offense. He's now mixed bags blown up on debut and then a 38th link win after almost coming down at the last, what do you make of mobile? Yeah, I think I would have mentioned him on a couple of shows by there's just one of the lads that I know would have a decent line into willies and very early doors. After the change is stable, they were really, really impressed with them. He's an 8 year old boy fame and glory. And I think that, you know, for these type of horses, you know, 8 years old, he's probably going to be in his peak. He's with the best trainer. And I think the switch will turn out to be extremely an extremely clever move. And here you okay, last fence. Sorry, you can kind of forgive that person. Yeah, and another classy performance definitely, yes. Is he cheltenham festival material in your mind? It seems so if we go back to the point about owners and if you, if you imagine that the conversation post punches town in 2022, flame barrier finishes 7 lengths behind statement. Okay? And the owners obviously decide to make the move. Now, they do that because they have something in mind and it's not the Dublin racing festival. So and it's not to come back and win and punch his tone. The move would be made for a specific reason, and that would be to have a chat like a crack off child because it's not too often in life that you'll get a child name horse and this fellow is owned by two ladies. And I'd say they went all gung Ho and downright too. Let's give our horse the best chance we can have a crack off cheltenham. That would be my view of it. Yeah, Mary woolridge and Linda mulcahy, they've got a very, very exciting one on their hands. It's much better going right hander just by the way, I think it's worth note, and so maybe he could be kept for energy. That's left handed as well. Yeah, I don't know, maybe it could be kept for fairly hopes or points to them. Sorry. Yeah, so I don't know. He hasn't had that many chances gone left handed he's been he was well beaten on his daily or as chase said you were nice and beaten before then in nice as well, also. I don't know. Maybe I'm picking holes in a bus. We just look into iron out those kinks, you know, and I think that once they can do that, you know, he's a proper horse. Anyway, isn't he? Yeah, yeah, he is. Yeah, he's definitely a good horse. He wants two grade twos over hordes. So he's not the decent horse. And that was a good run. It's turned out to be an even better on their behind statement. I just don't think it's quick enough for an era. I agree. I agree as well. I would have thought it would be the intermediate trip that they'd go for. If he is going to go to Sheldon, it would be the Turner's a brand of returners, isn't it? Turners. The old jlt that would be the race that would appeal most and really gets even more firepower for that now. The fact that he left pat Doyle, on the Willie Mullins domination conversation. It's something has changed because John, when you were talking about owners who have juvenile hurdlers deciding, let's get them to William Mullins, because that's the guy who's going to be able to win for us. But it's not that long ago that owners were splitting their horses up with different trainers, and they were choosing a Nikki Henderson Paul Nichols, and then maybe having Willie on the roster as well. But Willie is so, and this doesn't get talked about enough as well.
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"willie mullins" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Serious with this. And to give gray dawning more credit, that performance on saint Stephen's day unboxing day of Kim. The gamble that went on in the final race the handicap hurdle was extraordinary. They just couldn't get enough of them. And he's done enough to win it. And then he's come along into graded company and one pretty damn impressively. So I'd say he is very much a horse to keep on site. But your reaction was priceless. And it has made me look at the antiport spending again to just try and figure out, can we work out who Willie's going to send to the potato race? Because if you can work it out now, you could be in clover. You really could be. If the strength and depth of right about all these sources, if they're all superstars, if he can figure out which one is going to go for the potato race now. And get a price for that horse. If green's clear west was to go up in distance, a lot of joy, I like to run behind deep cave. On the 28th, and she's a saint ledger winner. In Sweden, if she was to go there, she'd be very interesting as well. But if you can figure out where the Willy Mullins bingo machine is going to go for the potential risk, then maybe that's the destination to go, but I would rate great dawning pretty highly not as much. Look, obviously, a very nice horse, just not getting too carried away. That's all, but grade two winner and full respect to the team for that. It's the one two three at the top of the bedding now for Willie Mullins in the triumphal. It was kind of that way already, but blood destiny has been cut from 12s into at least a single figure post. I think he's 5s his best price now and this is in the back of his very impressive win at fairy house on Saturday for port town in become a practice by 18 links. Same disinfectant to news red 18 and a half lengths back to him. Barry, what did you make of the performance and what is the impact in the anti post bedding with them for bed deck? We are standing best for the triumph 6 to one at the time of the show in their behind last year with our 5 to four. For me, Emma, I thought he was one of the most impressive winners of the weekend. But don't usually back at odds on charts, but I had a few put in him because I thought he was very impressive. Last month, he beat a horse of Andrew's batteries cards to Alan. So rather than since went down to win the day, he made a bunch of them beaten the horse of Gardner. It's called calico. Calico was listed placed at entry form in a race was there. People in a couple of sketchy jumps torn for home and I watched this race again this morning, tour of our home towns and slowed it up a bit and the others got within 5 or 6 lenses approaching
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"willie mullins" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"So. Of that caliber. They're either trained by Willy or Gordon or Henry. And then there's others sprinkled around here and there with other trainers. But he has got all of the leading contenders. He's got the vast majority of the leading contenders for the most hurdle divisions, which is why I think Darren is right. And he is going to clean up a chat room this year and he might very well win. Of the great all the novice hurdles. And while the triumph isn't in office hurdle, he's probably going to he's almost certainly going to win that as well. So it's the Willie Mullins gravy train bingo game all over again. So we'll switch the conversation to a lovely gray and the skeleton team, great awning. Rumors of Dan skelton's demise have been greatly exaggerated. He had a terrific weekend and great Donnie was a 5 length winner of the leamington novices hurdle, the ground was awful, and on ITV afterwards Harry skelton was talking about how he was a little bit concerned about that ground, but the good horses win on any ground and he's a very good horse. The potential race was mentioned for him. The Albert Bartlett, what did you make of Barry and what's his current status in the bedding? Yeah, he's placed up for plenty of races around chat. Let me 16 to one for the other part. I had 16 for the body more 12 for the coral cope and hands for the Martin pipes. So there you go. He's shorter than 20 to one for four races. It's just enhances our antipodes played again. But looking at he's an improvement animal, he's one of his last three, he's won 5, I was 6 starts. The only defeat he had was in the horse and interest in horse all that they were pipes called Manafort. Who he ran the grade two at sundown since disappointed for them, raised quite kingly that he's one to keep an eye on that man at war. He hasn't got any entries to check that up there. Today, look a few things went wrong on the race for great honor. He stumbled at a tour. He made a mistake at 6 or 7. And it was shorter room a couple of times touring for home, bought him. Look, I'm just going to say he quickened up well after the second last, probably slightly over emphasizing quickened up. He did because there was tree and Lion at the second last and I think when he got to the last, which maybe four lens cleared him. So it didn't visually didn't look as though he was quicker than him. But he stayed on sort of slash quickened up well from the second last and before straight or a long, long way clear. It was interesting I was reading an article that Tom lacy he was interviewed in the race and post on Saturday. And he was very, very keen on his horse and Ginny's destiny in second place. The horse ran well. So he was very keen on that as well. So I'd say it will end up being a good race, the horseback of fort place Mexico had some decent form as well. And he's well stuffed in the end, but yeah, great on a good performance and definitely one on you. Yeah, I thought I was getting the bragging rights here because Mark and I went to war on Thursday. He napped nosey road. I napped geva, who was 13 to two at the time. And we've just done the bed deck multiples for the injured jockeys. And we both gone for pic Dory and then he went nosey road. I won't give and imperial pass. Oh dear. But I was rubbing my hands with glee when he was punted down to three to one favor. It was like, game over. Game over. I had the pre written tweet ready and all to have a puppet market and then he folds out the back of the telly. He pulled his way. He pulled harder than Ron Jeremy. He had no chance with the way he ran. I'd forgive him that, though, I'd keep an eye on him the next day, but he comes with a health warning. That was the road was held in very high regard and came into it with strong claims. And as you said, the further they went, the better grade awning looked, and in the end, Darren, it was a very, very impressive performance, and he's got to be taken very seriously going into the spring festivals. Right. Okay? I thought he was all right. Yeah. And it looked like a one 40 horse, that sort of thing. You know, without a doubt, he's a nice horse. Don't mean to be thrown cold water on it, or whatever, but I wouldn't be getting hugely excited just yet. He is going to quite experienced as well, you know, those listing areas, Barry said, you know, that he's kind of 6 rooms under his belt and if you know, I think we've got to take the ground into consideration that I would agree with what Harry skelton said afterwards, right? In terms of good horses, win on all sorts of ground, but I'd need to see a little bit more before I would be getting excited to be honest. Noise performance still, it was a great and he did win relatively well by four or 5 lens but not one for like if we just compare our two conversations to previous race and then to this fellow really you're kind of at a different level of excitement. Aren't you? We don't knocking the horse. He's just one is just a grade two and he deserves to get the quotes that he's after getting, but in saying that the reason that he's got quoted for so many races is nobody would be sure as to where he is going to go, therefore he didn't stand out as being a particular type of horse, so they priced them up with plenty of options. So good horse put a bit to improve yet. I think that's fair.
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"willie mullins" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"If they're going down the racings roof, she's going to end up with a lot of ways at some stage. But that was a very nice one for the owner now as well because you've got a great two place and if she goes out and is to be sold at the end of her career for breeding purposes, she's very valuable. Yeah. And look, we're going down a dark road there. But the reality is the listeners aren't stupid. Listeners know what the time of day is. The reality is you don't want to get too close in these races. Because there are spring festivals to be looking forward to. There are going to be other days. And if the model kingdom had gotten closer to imperial pass, that would be seasoned over. And that would be that was handicapped out of all contests going forward. But we'll see how it plays out. I'm fascinated by this. He's very exciting long-term prospect. He's clearly great one class and we clearly be winning a great one. In terms of cheltenham, if I was to ask you now, which will he go for supreme rebelling more? Barry, which would it be? The honest answer is I don't know. That is the correct answer. Because a 100% of willys in the supreme. Another way. We just don't know. You really don't know. And I'd say at this stage, Willie is only 80% sure where he's going. You know? And a lot of things can happen at home and often like these horses are not, as I had no blinds that he doesn't put their go into their head at home. They only do maybe 50% they're only in tour gear at home. So what's really going to land between and then it's probably just see how they'll improve physically and mentally and because they're not going to have that many runs between now and then. So as I say at this stage, I don't think Willie knows faster Vega looks as I am to kind of go on to supreme and if you are Willie Mullins and you're saying to always sway and slam you near to look as Vegas ten lens headings here, that's they're not going to I don't know them too, that's all his x-rays and some of them in air supply in the north. And I don't mix in those circles. I saw you having lobster and Caviar with them VIP treatment. They were different fellows. They were different. But if they say to you, you look like this horse ten lens area. You're going to go, okay, let's go somewhere else. As I mentioned earlier, let's go to the dominant race of festival and entering and that's also Vega have pointed out. Look, I don't know them. Dude, I just want to be there a challenge to have a runner. See, that's the thing. If somebody says, I have a horse at home, never mind what Nikki Henderson has at Paul Nichols as a Gordon has. But all of a horse at home that's ten minutes better than you. Are you going to go? We'll just go on one another. Look, some owners, which is a big point some owners just want to go to chat and say we've had a run on our channel. So back to the question then, but I don't know. That's the right answer. We don't. I would say that if I wouldn't be surprised if he did line up in the supreme. I wouldn't be absolutely stunned by that because of the strength in depth Willie has in the ballymore. And if something was to happen to facilitate God forbid, you've got a great sob in this fella, to be able to step in and go for that race. But you could not in good conscience tell anybody back this horse for the bally more now. I think that is probably the race he's going to go for because I do get a vibe from him Nazi style of running just the way he's being the way he's coming through. He screams that to me. And it could very well be that that's what they'll go for the ballymore makes sense. But what he's got a lot of strength and depth in that race already. So for all that there is very much the likelihood that some of these sources are going to skip cheltenham and go to fairy house and aintree and punch us down instead. There's also the fact that Willie has had multiple runners in the supreme over the years. And the ballet Moore and that those owners, cheltenham is cheltenham. If you're a race horse owner, you want to be a child. There's a handful of owners who don't want to run there. A handful, not even a handful these days. The vast majority of owners want cheltenham festival. They want to be there. And this dice of dynamo fell. Thanks to animal was favorite for the supreme last year. Or joint favorite 9 to four. Against constitution hill. And look at them now. He's recovered. It looks as though he's back on track to be a grade one chase or the season. We shall see. But the supreme itself, it's probably going to be a small field last. You've got facade at marine national, the latest I heard a marine national was ballymore. And he second favorite, maybe not, maybe he will go Sabrina but that's what I've heard. Imperia pass, possibly, tomorrow will go supreme, rare edition can't go for a handicap so yeah, he'll go here. Probably more likely to go for the ballymore, high definition would go, Lucia goes for the mares novice. Irish point would be ballymore, you'd think.
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"willie mullins" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"So on which one of you has mentioned this already on the show today, but if the trainers don't know, you have absolutely no idea. Yeah. So just the antico's betting has gone, the game has gone, it's been done the last couple of years, but it's completely gone this year. So unless the horse himself unless no band boy comes to your door and knocks on your door and says, I'm running in the bears. That's the only way you can buy it. That is the only way you can back it because the trainers just simply don't know. And you can. And that's not a dig at the trainers. If the horse goes to chat them, their job is a mechanical discourse of in pain to build for the last three years, I want to win a race to chat them. We're going to go here. Brilliant point again, right? Excellent. But just for punters, like if I was to give you a quick analogy of what Barry has just explained, it's like asking Pep Guardiola who is going to play in the Champions League Final. And the first thing he's going to say is, well, are we going to get there? Do you know what I mean? And that's how trainers think. There is no guaranteed any horses is going to get there. And they'll pick their team a week of whatever it will be. But I think that's a very, very valid point, Barry. It's an excellent point to make. Well, I stopped now because I've made sense twice, it's only going to get worse. I'm still reaching. I'm trying to find my first one. Yeah. One of the points that you both were making, though, is that it's very possible that some of these sources might just skip children entirely. The counter argument to that would be Nikki Henderson could arguably have won the supreme and the ballymore last year, although I think sogard would have been jump on, but who knows? But he could have sent John Bond to the ballot more. And he could have sent constitution hill there. He didn't. He let them both take each other on the supreme. We know the reasons why the owner had backed his constitutional for the spring and JP wants to go for that race as well. But that's a big gun running his two horses against one another. Willie has had multiple runners in the supreme as well. And he's got he's obviously got the od favorite for the supreme, but he's not doing bad in the Baltimore department too. We're going to see probably going to see Gilly gordie tomorrow assuming it survives another frost. He has the second favorite in chem Kylie and he's got plenty of backup in those divisions as well. So while I think the ballymore to get back to impair a pass, well, I think the ballymore is most likely for him. It's not necessarily cut and dried and set in stone that that is what they're going to do. And the days when you could take a price about a horse like I've said this before, backed champagne, and I've got plenty of more wrong than I got right to show them. But a back champagne fever for the supreme on the machine. 66 to one and 33s because the notion was he was going to go for the potato rice. And if you wouldn't go for that, he go for the ballymore. And there was something just kept telling me, no, he's going to go supreme. It wasn't. I hadn't got a phone call from Patrick, I didn't know anything from the art I just guessed. And I was rewarded for that guess with the price. Those prices don't exist anymore. You don't get that kind of an incentive with the anti post betting. And my anti post betting is almost zero this year. I did a number of antibodies at the start of the season and I haven't really done a whole lot since and that's very unusual for me. I want you to be doing on a long press already. Yeah. So there you go. And this is why I think when you come on a show like this, you have to be honest and you're giving an honest opinion based on things that we're doing ourselves. And sharing with people, look, that wasn't a great idea. But I thought I was what I thought I was getting value. So I wasted and afternoon once driving around to a series of betting shops and having 50 quids each way to get my anti post price that doesn't fit in length you have to go to and then there's an injury. So a waste of time and a waste of money. But, you know, like I think that at that point just proves that we're not just trying to kind of tell people what to do here. There's other things that we're doing ourselves that in hindsight wouldn't be like the best idea. And trying to bring it all the way back to the horses rather than just the idea of pointing, like two of the nicest courses that I've seen out of Willie's what feels like a gazillion string is range clear west. And range clear west was tough the last day in nace. I was on the show before the bar one meeting in fairy house and I put up champ Kylie and he didn't perform that day, but I'd reasonable bet on him in nice for the lawlers on soft ground. And even though Grange Claire west, the lines were fluffed so to speak by him that day that doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that he's not a great one horse. He absolutely absolutely is by presenting takes all of the right boxes around badly in the lawlers, bourgeois had won his maiden hurdle, hurdle in nothing in a style that I liked to be honest and they were two that I've jotted down. You know, but you know, will I be getting involved in anti post on either of them? No. Will I on the day potentially back them? For where we are now in January, I can say, yes, I probably will, because I really like both of those as athletes and they look like proper grade one horses. But I won't be getting involved until we know where they are. We know where the conditions are on the ground, et cetera, et cetera. And on that, because you mentioned earlier on about how you think Willie Mullins could just tear off children entirely. He has the record of ten winners at a single meeting. And I said this to was Mark I said to last week, how many winners will you have? And his guests are instantly was ten. And it's not difficult. It's not pie in the sky stuff to imagine that, particularly when you look at the strength and depth he has. Facade. Just in the novice hurdle divisions alone, fasil Vega, champ Kylie, imperial pass, garlic warrior James gate hasn't come out yet, where is he grained clear west, as you mentioned? So he's got plenty of strength in depth at the top end of the supreme and the ballymore market. He's got the triumph fertile by the short and curlies. And one of those horses, because none of them can go for a handicap, because they haven't had enough experience over hurdles. They don't
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"willie mullins" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Like they genuinely have. Yeah, well, you're not wrong. They have. And look, cheltenham is in sight. It's 50 days to the Judd and first of all, we'll have to get the old countdown clock sound effect going again. And we are building up to it. And we're doing the weather beef specials with Paul Ferguson again from next week or the week after. And all these things has to happen, and I'm not saying that they don't. All that I'm saying here, and Jesus don't ever stop, you know, the enjoyment factor of discussing the horses. That's what we love. Christ, we can do it more and more and more. What we're saying here is that if I was to put a synopsis together, what we're saying here is that bet would caution because not even the trainer has decided with his owners where horses are going. Anti post markets aren't offering us a huge amount of value, but do your homework enjoy to build up and when the day comes, you will be ready to go to war at what in whatever race you will choose. You know, like it'll be as simple as that. And keep the content coming. I'm not giving out about that. That's key. And I'm just saying maybe I'm over consuming a diminished in terms of watching and reading stuff, but I think that all it is is we just got to got to be a bit more sensible about our views. No, you're a 100% right. And you're right about how certain organizations are framing the conversation as well and how the prices are embarrassing check on the price of jet powers. Because in my little mind to quote, yeah, I was I had remembered that this horse had gone down to a single figure price for the supreme novices hurdle, and then I was thinking, oh, that can't be right. No, he did. He was 6 to one. For the supreme on the basis of one hurdle. One made win. He's now 33s. Absolutely. And if I can. I saw the article on the front of the racing post the next day, and I just went nonsense or laid out. Yeah. Absolute nonsense it was. Just because I can't remember, but he won by a reasonable few lengths. The whole thing then gets carried away and they just force what they call mo money into play. And they do refer to it as that. And lads have to understand as their list in here, that you know that that can be the attitude to just get the more money in play. You know? And he's a perfect, perfect example, good spot Emmett. I read it the very next day in a racing post and I went to a laid out. Yeah. And you were right as well. And he then ends up being sent off 72 on shot and we know what happened at newbury behind the head case Gary Moore's head case Jupiter geek. But it's not just him. At least parmenion was 20 for the supreme. So he can build on the run behind high definition and expect him to be better. American Mike was caught on the basis of his winner down royal, which didn't please everybody. Suddenly he's out to pretty much whatever price you want. Mercury was being held in pretty high regard before his cork win. He was in cut to 40s, he's out to 50s. I know the way you're thinking had looked good when beating imagine a Goran park. He gets buried by champ kiley. Absolute notions, disappointed behind in the pockets. There's a number of horses. There's more. It's authorized speed. Bond. All of these horses were cut to unreasonably short prices. And now they're being pushed out to something like somewhere decently attractive Tibet, but do you really want to back them on the back of a hiding going into a grade one? And the overall point of make here, the overall point of making is that essentially what yourself and Barry have said is it's backing that up. If a horse shows their well-being, if a photograph is taken of them in their stable, they're caught. If they're entered for an office hurdle, they're caught. There's no value in antipodal anymore. And if there is, you better act on it quick. But the way these markets are priced up and very correct me if I'm wrong, the whole point of anti post bedding, you placing a bet is you know full well, once you've put your tenor down 50 quid, whatever it is your steak is. Once you've put that money down, if the horse doesn't turn up, you ain't getting your money back. You're paying. For the risk. So the point of that is that you're supposed to get a bonus price. You're supposed to be getting a more attractive price. But those attractive prices are all gone. That's a distant memory. And that just leads me into my final point on this. And it's very important to pay to listen to this realized this statement is that bookmakers aren't trying to rob you and trainers aren't trying to catch it, because at this stage of the season, the bookmakers are put in the price up and they're obviously taking a few bit of that price. If you don't like that price, you don't have to have a bet at that point. And the other thing is the trainers, they genuinely don't know. They might have an income. They might have an 80% organ going to go here or but they have so many options out into the nowadays and they don't have to put their hands into the ring until the week of the race or a couple of days away. So the trainers genuinely don't know where they're going to where they're going to roll the horses. There's so much water to go into the bridge between now and then.
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"willie mullins" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"All our listeners. Okay, it's in the drops and bombs there. No, but like, I would be a big fan of betta. And Emmett knows that for a long time. And I would have been a decent exchange a decent exchange user in the past. But you know, like, I think we're seeing an absolute sporting revelation here since Christmas in terms of how talented Willie Mullins is. A really struggling to get my head around how good this man actually is. You know, and I mean from buying a horses from getting his owners training those horses, putting them on the right path, there isn't any of them are put in a foot wrong. And like that is an extreme level of sporting talent. And I himself and Gordon are just beasts of the game, you know? But no one is recognizing it in any shape or form. They're just so busy trying to figure out is the supreme or is it the Baltimore? This man is going to a different level very. Well, here's the problem that nobody has really addressed Darren. Any time a horse wins, just concentrate on the Irish horses for a long time. Another sort of lab punched down our knees are a decent made in somewhere. He's automatically where is he going to channel? Where is he going to channel? We have to remember that there are four big racing vessels. And Willie Mullins has so, so many horses. All these horses that we've mentioned on the shelf for the past couple of weeks. It's very likely. When we have a mention, it's very likely some of these horses will get channel because he has that many horses. And Emma Kennedy's in honor of what we only Mullins and Darrow McGrath and Winnie Mullins. He says, Emmett says to you, he says Emmett look, I think Darren's horse is 7 or 8 that's better off. What are you going to say to Willie? Well, I still want to run against them. It's highly likely or not, you're going to say, okay, well, what can we do? Can we go to the Dublin racing festival and we can go to entry? That's where we're going to go. I'm a Darren source will go to cheltenham and we got to punch them. So we'll skip Chelsea go to fairyhouse. Yeah, anything like that. Not all these horses have the older jet lamb. And the likelihood is that the 50 or 60 horses we've mentioned on this show in the last couple of months. There's probably 20 of them are not going to go to chat them at all. So we have to wait an up as well. Willie has so many horses that he's not going to run 5 potential grade one horses in the one race. So you've got to take that with a pinch of salt as well. Horses might just go to the government mason festival and angry but yeah, look, I agree they are too masters of their class and they probably do this work get more credit. But they have the ammunition as well. Yeah, but there you go on a listener. There is your first insight or your first understanding that you have trainers, trainers have to manage the horses that they have. They also have to manage the owners because a lot of these horses would be at least one 50 in terms of their purchase price and probably going up to three 50 if they're coming in from France. And if an owner is invested, that amount of money, the owner has choked them and mindful about the Sanders spot on why would Willie Mullins end up with 5 grade one contenders trying to take a grade one off each other when there's entry when there's punches ten when there's the DR, et cetera, et cetera. And this is just supporting the point that I was trying to make at the start, which is that there's not an interest in being communicated anymore. You know, I don't want to be the person that gives out when I come on the show and be kind of negative about either trainers or about publications, but you all know the publications of we're talking about. You log on to them this morning and all they're trying to do is show the race in cheltenham down your throat. Whereas if you were writing an article today, Barry, you would have probably made that point. And as a reader, a racing fan, I would have gone, Jesus, that's an interesting article. There are no call. It's not just about the Berlin Wall or the supreme. I think what's happening in the sport is absolutely incredible. The ability that they're able to get a lot of the top ten trainers there are able to get out of these horses is absolutely fascinating. And I think we have to kind of look at it a little bit differently as pointers and start to understand I haven't got Willy stats in front of me, but I would imagine he could be, I don't know, half of his horses were either winners or placed at the minute damage you're always good for these type of things like his performance is exceptional and everyone goes Gordon strong in the year departure the season, then Gordon lets it to Willie at Christmas, then they both come back for the drf and shelter them. He was thinking about MS sent me through the running order for the show. He has to I was thinking about it last night. And I was like, she goes, are we facing a time where Willie could just absolutely wipe the floor with everybody this season? In shell number I mean like wipe the floor with them. And you know, is that, is that actually on the cards? And I think to be honest with you, apparently it might be like this man is just reaching sort of gifted level. 21 runners in the last two weeks, 11 winners. 52% strike rate, 70 1% runners to form according to the racing post. It's extraordinary what's going on. But there is another aspect to all of this as well, which isn't being talked about either.
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"willie mullins" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Race. He's now 8 to one with us for a supreme. That's about the best out there a to one of those photo supreme. He's 6 is with us for the ballymore. Yeah, it's off the punch town probably a smart meal to Melbourne to the four slices of the character on shore by the ground. They said it wasn't for the low zone, but look, I'm sure that was at the back of their mind as well. So probably a little bit of decent thinking to get it off for a flight on the card. Just as regards as p.m. and before we get into his performance himself, he was returned to trees on. But he went off one 44 on the backpack exchange twos on there one 44. So I know Paul Townsend had said in Saturday's race and post study, it doesn't do an awful lot at home and he's much better on the tracks. So that may be a reason for him being a late drift or JS for his SP to be trees on and he did go off at a better excess P of one 44. So that was a big difference. And look, lots of like a belt and he cast plenty of money cards for a €155,000. He won't be 18 and then sell his horrible debut 6 and a half winner against a decent field. The model kingdom runway and she could be anything. The key in front I suppose, but look on this show on a Monday, we're getting used to this for praising these William Mullins horses. It's very hard to see what they're beaten in second place, and you can't blame a horse like the model kingdom who has a lofty like it's not benefit to him to get too close to the entire sport. Lots of big question is, where is he going to go? I want to say 8 or supreme that's the best out there and 6s for the ballymore. Yeah, that is the key question though. Where next for this all roads do lead to children, but which division is he going to go for? Is it going to be the supreme or is it going to be the ballymore? And Willie's got a tremendous record in this race. He's taken it with for tour Don. We know what they did at cheltenham. Min was favorite for the supreme and chin, but we'll go on to great success afterwards. Get a bird. Dynamo was second favorite for the supreme, the second favorite for the article with most books right now. So his last 5 winners have gone for the supreme. However, Darren. I get a Miguel diagonal vibe from this guy. Not in his running style because we go back and he made the running when he won the Moscow flour. But the way he's been campaigned, ex French, settled into the Mullins camp, started out over two mile four, then he's dropped him to two miles. And Michael dagger went for the ballet Moore and won it. Of the races for the supreme rebellion, which one would you be supporting him for? Boy, do we need to know now? I think at this stage, you know, in some ways we do quite an important job lads, you know? And we've got two choices here. We can join in with the bullshit that's been published on a load of the different racing websites if you want. Okay? And if you want, I'll give you my point of view about which race it would be. But you know what it would be? It would be a guess. Right? Because nobody knows. Okay? And it's the 15th to the 16th of January. I think it's the 16th of January as I check my phone here. And why do we need to know? Because all of these websites that are publishing so far telling us all the time that we need to know now we need to know we need to have a bet we need to have a bet. We don't. We saw another what looks like absolutely sweet looking performer. The travel strongly in ground that was bad and it was, it was an enjoyable performance. And the wind was comfortable. But I think a lot of kind of proper racing lads are starting to get a little bit frustrated by this. You know, there's this thing that's been fueled by all the websites that you need to have a better immediately after a race, any of the Mullins horses or Gordon's horses or Paul Nichols horses or whoever. You know, Jesus, you've got to get on now. And it's literally it's become bullshit. I'm sorry, but I don't really care which one he goes for because if you're having a bad these days, you won't be having a bet at anti pose prices because they're after getting so ridiculous. And for the sake of a point or for two points, why don't you wait until the morning of the race or before the off? When you see exactly what the conditions are, you see the field, the opposition, and you can have a more informed bet. It's absolute madness. What they're starting to do to punters across all of these websites. I understand that we're obsessed with child number. I get it. And I understand that it is everything to the job season. I get it. But somebody at some stage has to go look like there's someone here having a bit of a laugh. You know? And the more you keep taking these silly prices, the worse it's going to get. Because if you think you need to one shot, there is 6 to one shot, is good value for either the supreme or the ballymore. And I commend that for being the bigger of all of the prices, but this whole thing is getting completely out of hand. They're just guessing what the SP prices are going to be. And they're trying to sell it to people. 9 weeks, ten weeks in advance. And I think it's getting very, very frustrating for kind of gray hair pointers in some ways that been around the block but not this is a very long time. We've earned our scars. We've had our big wins. We've had our big losses. And you're just seeing that there's no respect been given really to Willie Mullins here. They're just failing to respect the talent. They're shoving microphones in people's faces, trying to get a choice out of a race. Why? No other reason than to get in. No other reason. Get money off them. That's what that's what the attitude is. Just see if you can figure out what race is going to be and get money off them. And as usual, it's like I'll sit on the fence for you, no problem. No better boy. On behalf. On behalf of
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"willie mullins" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Your company as we look back on the weekends racing some more cheltenham clues from grand national clues as well for that matter. That's a great racing in its own right and talk about some of the big topics in the racing world and we'll do so with two special guests. First up, some say he's wanted by the CIA. And that he sleeps upside down like a bat. I don't know about that. But what I do know is, it's Barry Cole. I think that's what I don't know. No Darren gets this one. Some say his heart ticks like a watch. And that he's confused by stairs. All we know is he's starring McGraw. She is definitely confused by stairs, not too sure whether you're talking about extreme oilers now or people looking at me, but yeah. I'm with you, Derek. I've had some DMs from people wanting you to explain the fruit loops at the Gary Moore yard and can we get the horse psychologist on the show as well? Oh my God, what's the last time? Well, since you've been on, we've had authorized speed bomb terribly in the tolworth and he bumped so hard ISIS would be proud of that. And give ager. Multiple treble would have come off at an up in for Vega, falling at the back of the telly. So yeah, there's a few of those more horses are just in need of more horse therapy. Yeah. You know, sometimes you've got to share a point of view, but I'm not having a negative go at Gary Moore as a trainer. I just think that what happens in awful lot of the time is that pointers kind of see him as someone that lands big handicap gambles and following blind anytime there's money for any of his horses and should carry more money in fancy those horses at all. And some of them are highly strong, some of them wouldn't, and it's just the yard for me. That's difficult to follow, but in contrast, I have to learn themselves that like if there's a few quid for a carry more horse, you know, that doesn't mean that they're all having a go, which just means that everybody's following money. So I think that was, that was the context, but yeah, there was a couple of more horses might have run well, but that can happen to anybody. I wouldn't be holding that against any trainer. Haley Moore? Hold your hatred, hold going off on him. He's just making an opinion. He's just making observations. And absolutely right, by the way. We'll begin with the latest move for the supreme and ballymore with imperial pass. It's another round of Willie Mullins bingo. He wins the sky bet musco flyer, novices hurdle yesterday. They moved it to be the first race for ground reasons. It was still on heavy. It was a small enough field. But he did it very impressively at 6 and a half length win over the model and 14 and a half lengths back to Gordon Elliot's. She could be anything who had been impressive on her previous start. Barry, what did you make of the performance? And what is the reaction been anti posts with the trading room of beta and also with the rival sportsbooks? Well, anti pose. I think we want the horse to look near a portrait style to run in a sort of a prep race, which had them to go from tens to 8, basically that's what happened here. Yeah. He was ten to one for the supreme end of
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Gordon Elliott's charge finished second behind Easysland
"Johnny Henderson Grand Annual Challenge. Cup goes the way of that Man Gordon Ilias and Davy Russell Chosen Mate with Gordon finishing second with eclair. Fhu and then we had a massive raise for Joseph. O'brien he said that this has been the plan on the podcast that they were hoping for better performance and boy did they get it and well-backed as well thirty. Three's Joseph said that on the show after a handicap special. He was cut to twenty s and he was the chosen really. Well backed Jess but they were steaming into into from eleven tens on the day he was a bigger price earlier than sixteen beforehand. This money but chosen mate was well back to really the market phoned the right horses. All MOANING CHOSEN. Mayton us in them. Were horses that that that the other everyone tracking they were getting a lot a lot of attention. I know that in the morning you could have got nine to one. Third Chosen May and by the time the races off he was just just below five to one us and then was just below ten to one himself and another exceptional handicap performance for Gordon Elliott chosen. May He looks absolutely get up for this race. It was again another one that had been running incredibly well behind voices and this was a very very good victory. I think granite eighteen. Who BEEN LONGTIME ANTI POST FAVOURITE FOR PAUL? Nicholls wasn't quite. I don't know again. It was a bad day for political team. None of his horses really Brown. Well this on the best of all of them but they they kind of changed his tactics a bit and he was rather little bit more is positioned up with the pace more than and being being held up and he was always going well but it wasn't going to be the him but again. The Irish is showing dominance in handicaps and a brilliant victory for I think it was a I think. A big syndicate chose mate was at the northern racing partnership and and Yeah tallied upper a great great wheat for Gordon Elliott. Who the day on the morning. I think he had six wins and he was on six wins six seconds and three thirds and Willie Marlins was on three wins. Five seconds and five thirds somehow managed. Lose where he was one point six to be talked trainer. I don't know but amazing. Really really mullins cheers and better. Yeah another another top. Handicap spoke ordinary. I'll tell you how he lost seekers. Great White Shark third bosses. Oscar was unlucky not to get closer. But I'm delighted finish fifth because that went plays mony and he would've got it had it not been for parole qualifier horrible full. Oh Gordon but dramatic stuff and I do remember. It was like old school tv where Nick is handed a piece of paper. It was like something from watching like old school. Reruns of nineteen seventeen news broadcasts. Thanks thanks very much with that update because they were locked together as you said it was. It was amazing why Bez was held up in the rear great field. I have no idea because that doesn't suit him at all. But Hey Sean Joe is trying something different. Jodi mcgarvy keeping the ride Gordon wins again. Jane another huge success for for him. Presumably the approach from the British handicapper. Next year will be every Gordon handicapper. It goes up twenty pounds brilliant right by Davy Russell I had cut their scars in my selections and I wasn't all not comfortable watching the race. I was wondering were we going is as good as Davies. Body language suggested we were and he made couple of mistakes on the mound never panicked he ultimately put me at ease watching him I always once know you have debut Rossler Barry or you know Richard Johnson on your soy. Been you're instantly. Put at ease and no offense to Shana Keith or JJ seven but been of growing up watching the on the big day and he sold rarely gets it wrong. And this was a tactic. Good Brilliance from him I think most Ryan is part of the syndicate and they got great satisfaction from day. Celebrations would have been huge. I'd say the government the closing down and as a great seal being held up. Aki Job better than he usually does so. He didn't travel with fluency that he has done. When he raises from the front put he jumped a lot better than he can Paloma blue biggest parliament for me. I am not making any more excuses for the horse I think he has an implement ability but he wins someday and I won't be on Off and then it of bridesmaid isn't he? He's run second to their Eastbourne couple times in grade ones and now he's been third at Jutland hearings massive race again. Joseph O'Brien but ultimately that is David Ostlund chosen may stolen show horses connections and he's giving them some great days but you're right he's a bridesmaid. And Hey look we did. All right we did find in terms of our handicaps. I'll happily take place. Thank you very much on a bonkers week and the bunkers week would end with a twenty five so one Wynonna First Cheltenham Festival. Success for Paul Weber. Would Philip Hobbs. Who's we could have been saved and a brilliant ride from Ben Jones. As well ultimately a short head stops them from getting a victory in behind on mcinerney giving. Willie mullins great white shark a fantastic ride And Gordon Elliott's the bosses Oscar running a stormer. I thought I stayed on really really strongly in the Martin.
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Christmas Racing Review: Part 2
"Welcome to our second festive review on the final furlong podcast on Miss Kennedy alongside Bet Fares Connor. Hello Hello Welcome back. My French French TV show. There wasn't it I I like that. What about do you want to do the accident? You can do not Lulu simple. It is also the glorious return from a long absence of at the races. Irish tipster on one of the best writers in the game final. Furlong podcast legend. Tony Kanaan his back on the show up. Build up the only one who really gives us some but this is you. Don't be hyping it up and down and happy new everyone Beta Beta. We agree to bike and show. We'll be talking reassessment and good risk that it's great to have you back. I know that you are incredibly busy. Best of luck a new bundle of joy on the way as well for the New Year so the workload is going to get even harder in in the house but looking forward to having you on the podcast a bit more and particularly unity with you and the children preview with you in the usual venue all being well and we're looking forward to that so look that'll be better Caracas. Well let's get into our review so in part one with Jess and Kate. We look back at Saint. Stephen's Day and boxing day from here. We're going from the twenty seven th onwards. So we'll start with the Patty's rewards club loyalties altis did look for rewards chase. This was check on poor soil is supposed to be crowning moment. I guess his return. He done a brilliant piece of work or at least it looked that way. Danny Mullen said worn the head cam it all it very impressive buddy got blown away. By the two stars of the moment Henry Debrum head and Rachel Blackmore the story on the fair exchange beforehand Karen. I presume shotgun personnel was being well-supported Yeah Second Priscilla laws. I mean this was the hartaway. We're all hoping to see over Christmas. This harstad we spoke about before Christmas was one of the ones who are really excited to see this race and never really for me got GEICO and in the race it did hit a low point. Few eight hundred surround want to four ALU tired hides a BS five point five which is nine to two and did eleven or ten into one in running which again until surprise me to be honest. I mean our plutarch's the youngest one in the race I suppose the kind of almost forgot how amazing and I wrote Shetland. Moore's last time I if I was looking at the shotgun slot ruin it. I don't know twenty split seemed to be almost missing an extra year when it it was coming up. I like to know what they are going to do. Now both does a lot of reasons. I suppose that you could still be in the campus. Well which can persuade was it. I ruin and so will I know some people have said the populist Carson maybe not sold audible for me but I'd like to see off new tired now go onto the right air. I'd like to see how we get on with that and shocking. We'll give it. We'll give one more ago. I wouldn't show the baby out with water. Just it was a disappointing on a strange Leopardstown and a strange Christmas relief for Willie mullins because a number of his big guns severely disappointed. Some of them had very a legitimate excuses. He still ended up being top trainer at Leopardstown which was odd considering the amount of bubbles that were burst but Gordon Elliott currently has a five hundred thousand euro lead over in the trainer's title but sh- as Brian Flanagan said whisper. That one quietly that he's currently got that lead. What did you make out of a plutarch? Let's start with the winner. Tony Ryanair as is the target for him much to Roy frustration. But this was in. This was impressive. Maybe we'll take Willie mullins Christmas for steroid very intentional Christmas and for a yard strange. They're we're having a strange season and history at no over the last couple of weeks mont seventeen eighteen percent whereas there's like William Orleans seasons past twenty percent thirty percent the question. I was asking me winning where all the new horses Commodore Chat Chat. lapis tones past year could be shared with emboldens would have maybe a couple of French horses. That hadn't been seen in on the days run in the mid and orders you'd be seen six to four in the morning east hates. Take that on 'cause off four to five and winds fifteen minutes and you're kicking yourself do toss this year are- recycling the same incident. Orders the fee spirituality. I wanted on Stevens the business and and the game it's Josh. Let's call him Jones. Noga be the Donnie Colorado's debate and Henry sources wherever wherever the new communist of the bar. Quick questions is is. Don't think deeply who's really nervous order the minutes. Jesus is Avenue. Thank you see what I'm getting at this time does pass to be fit the top of a novice whore you'll be thinking about not supreme body body more stats or whatever not this year so that that's a little bit strange. They last year obviously young harsh on in the champion Bumper Cheltenham. Blue Saturday. He'd already disbands. We may talk about emily and so some slightly stain season going on now William owners now some of them just come back to check on Bush lost some of them. You could argue are are needing to run a little bit. That would not be the usually it would win over the years so I was bit. Negatively is the bubble burst Chakma Shaw possibly reports this and he don't have a sort of an impossibly high salen after punches. Tony he destroyed. You officers the officers coming from win and grade wants and as has been pointed out that was. NBC's and follow him. He was a fresh horse. Daffy wasn't fresh injected Geneva wasn't fresh that lottery at that stage taught zoning twenty-seven Puerto a little bit of Lydia. NYDIA is good for very good place. When he tip evening free bought him a electors? The winner m writing is put in the salvaged performance. was dimissed. This one and I was amazed to cope with the drop in trip. Am I tipped this shop and I didn't think this was remotely possible that it was going to afford enough augments stick this Richard said he was on his head a little bit early on. Didn't didn't really look that way and I talked. He was well on top after last. was never allowed on. And you know what I think is he just. After taking another mass of jump he looked very good and am NASTYA. Henry says you need. They're enforcing motor navin. I know he's just he's just a proper a he is only faith it chuck. You'll be seeing all this scope which is seven had raised in France before it came to. Willie mullins wait. It didn't roll Naomi. Ah for whatever many days and just look this up here and toes and named is needed wasn't trained for those days those teams you know for good copy. So I'm I'm a little bit lukewarm checking schlock boat incredibly positive on a plutot on Henry debris made 'em noth- known for Shea and away from big risk so I'm wondering are they going to go championships with this horse and I'd be interested in them. Not just was a brilliant performance and dig a statement another step forward. I was very good on the clock as what trainer comments can always be open to interpretation. And that's something that Mara was referencing in our bonus. Bonus betting special podcast. which if you haven't listened to strongly recommend that you do that? He often takes trainer comments with a pinch of salt and he's more interested in just doing his own form work and coming up to his own conclusions. The initial plan was Ryanair. That was what they were. They were staging they were going to do. And of course. That's the distance that he the handicapped children last year. But Roy was putting the source up as a big price for the champion chase at the start of the season and you have jost post given him a little bit more encouragement. And when you look at the current Marcus like does a question mark over your deputy Sawyer is coming through and has looked very good. He's passed every test so far. But there's probably going to need a little bit more