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Holy Fuck and The Sacred Water with Ullis Karlsson

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Holy Fuck and The Sacred Water with Ullis Karlsson

"Lewin thank you for joining us. This is episode zero zero eight. I'm your host soulful business leadership coach. Jeffrey be sicker. Join us this week as we share a discussion rather blunt. Look at how we are all interconnected exploring how we are each responsible for our own shit and life in how the baggage we each carry may be purified like the waters of a dirty mountain stream. We can't expect positive results from drinking the same emotional spiritual and mentally polluted waters taking a boldly today. We explore conversation with author and yogi. You lease carlson discussing her latest book. Holy fuck in the seguin watt. The secret connection to hold on this conversation is definitely not. Pg thirteen is. We share this bold discussion about taking out the trash in our lives on this episode of the why is off today. I'd like to take a moment to tell you about a project that is connecting with others in a super meaningful way. 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But it's been about october. I believe it feels like many many moons. Gosh yeah that was the time ago. Needless to us. I was just gonna say many things that's happened since fem. No just watching the world view right now is just a complete thing of all in wonder missing the meaning of the also. If you're looking at it numerous logically speaking that the numbers two and one what it stems for and together they number five so this is a year of a lot of evolution. Really i find that interesting here in the states. I think it's a year of revolution. Has we speak right now. I'm sitting here. And i'm looking at the clock and i just did a quick glance the news. It's like yeah. There's a lot about to go down right now. It's definitely interesting and trying to stay somewhat neutral on all that trying not to get drawn into the complete emotion of it because there is so much it's interesting to watch even how people around us relating to it how family members are connected to it. And it's like wow. I'm seeing some things that i had some inklings of that. Well i saw this kind of coming with certain relationships. And then i see some of wow did it really does bring out in change. A lot of people that have been kind of hidden under the surface. You kinda see the reflection of the person coming out ending good. I say reflects you. Because i don't feel that data is necessarily always the truth of the situation to the person coming out how we react in project a lot of times that could be a whole nother conversation along big. Divide where everything's coming up in our personality. Some big divide is really people. Show all their shout and there were so show their you know love and support so it's like both sides are popping up equally but this big arguments Us to the biggest micro and macro perspective there's always equal connecting catalyst in the middle and so often we lose sight of that he was just working through this week's episode where we were talking through that ideal of equanimity and how that word is even kind of completely out of our vernacular most of the time or if we've ever been exposed to that simple -ness of that state of being equal is just two parallels moving together we look at the equal side. It has two things in unison. Such a simple concept yet as human beings so often can be a great challenge when we look at it. Is it really that hard. Where do we find that. Sacredness that space where there's little bit between but we still working in unison for and what is tooth and who's to her. Yeah what is true. That's a good. That's one of the things. I jotted down for our discussion today. Because i know that's something. We're both vibrating on that something that vibrates throughout the book. What is truth. Whose truth and the very nature of belief can be whole nother avenue that kind of either trips us up or propels us forward or i love looking at you list as your vision contributing to a freer more beautiful more conscious and loving world for all of us living together you know to me. That can be such beautiful mission. Such beautiful state been in such a beautiful truth to try to align and live from. And i think that's the hardest challenge too because everything that i want to see in the external world. I need to do myself every change. I want to see a there. I need to embody and leave it. I can not only be in in a mental vision or wish for magical thinking. I need to embody it to become it and from here. I can give out the the energy of vibration Everything we experience comes from within. How do we project that out in. That reality to me is all of the truth. We are simply projecting what we think and feel in buying large someway subconsciously. Expect back or at least expect the reactionary response to that so often become the dividing force or the nail in the coffin so to speak when that's a pretty dire way to state of the nail in the coffin that kills us all is. What are we inviting back into our own world or and sometimes it. My needs the eight in the coughing for somebody to wake up. We are essentially dying in living. Every day we wake up each day with the opportunity for rebirth. that's can be a pretty broad minded via but we not just in each day every reality we experience of every second of are being have that opportunity to evolve toward a new burst. Be something different to become something other than what we currently are simply remaining where we are so as the choice of the free wheel and also if you're a sensitive or an impasse like and what is my reality. Is this what i'm feeling. Is this pure minority. Stole from the collective who knows but since i feel with inmates mind to handle and mind to navigate through a big because we look at the pure mind so often we contend. I feel. there's a potentialities there is. I'm going to reiterate it over. And over until i feel like i'm making this shift for me stay home. There's that potential that we only see from one mind only from our mind in our own sense of experience in being but are we all truly connected is that a greater reality is that simply the essential reality of everything. Do we lose sight of that. Because we're so often only looking through our own is exactly am i. I was having a great talk about. Meditation was a friend of mine. Meditation only means medicom into the center. Like in the alignment of the core of who i am but many people are meditating not to feel so there meditating to avoid to feel so the question is am. I meditating to become into the center of who i am so i won't feel i would be able to feel everything off that's great. I've never heard that description of the meditating from the point of coming to the medal of gnarly had that direct vernacular saying that you know that is part of the many of it in finding that alignment then also looking at that notion are week meditating or trying to medicate instead where we're trying to fix we're trying to ban trying to hide we're covering rather than the actual healing from it. We should be experiencing. I mean down and blinding it. Yeah that's interesting. Look at it from that angle. Yeah and also meditating can be one way of numbing if you are doing it to avoid the strong feelings that you might feel so. This immediate ways numb yourself. Everybody has their own strategy and we can change strategy and we think that we have changed but we still remain the same and we have the same outcome on the same soul because we're just changing 'leggies and that's a great perspective. Look gate especially once you do kind of set yourself onto that path of i feel like i am reaching to try to find this evolution of life. Trying to find this becoming. I like to frame it in that way. Rather than all of these notions of i'm trying to elevate myself reach a higher level. Become better more faster because that is all projection out from a center and reaching out traveling somewhere rather than trying to line with that. Truth was in that fascinating. Look at that when you go down that road. It's such an eye opening experience. That even though i am reaching whatever i'm doing to find this path still can be such a point. Where even in that pass you. Lucite wore off on a tangent. But coming back to that thing in and of itself become sometimes its own addiction. Its own hiding of some other truth or you have to be really really bold and courageous to look through to look beyond in one of my books. I'm writing about the the mature masculine and mature feminine and the mature. Masculine is to really with the clarity of like a sword just to cut through all the aleutians on the bullshit that was rounding us with both externally but also internally on my own boss just cut through with clarity and with this guide by the heart the the mature the awakened feminine so it takes a lot of courage in a lot of boldness to seize through and to see beyond into like the situation. We have now what is really going home. Who knows we are only allowed to see small bits and parts. A somebody allows us to see. So we are confirm whose perspec- sector and who's bathing on it ultimately where is the balance of view whereas the balance of our existence. We talked many times before about feminine and masculine notions of energy. Just simply being an either or one state or another of our energy and they have to combine in mingle to find that balance. That's all finding the center. You know we hear that notion of finding the center creating the source for the balance that sacred space and to me that notion of the sacred space jumps into our discussion today about your book. Holy fuck in the sacred wider the secret connections to everything. We're all looking. For connections in everything we do to find that sacred spaces. Let's jump in from that point because that seems like a great coming together and bringing us to the center of this idea and kill. Yeah how exciting jump rudman. I admit i've been kind of open to the book. And i haven't sat down with the yet i've been completely flooded with a new influx of books and going through all my time lately. M not shirking my responsibility to myself to dedicate this time and sit down and actually spend reading so i am guilty yet of not having experienced. The full book dabbled in. Your publisher. describes the book as controversial saying quote it will rattle a few cages. It's been described as rollin honest diving in the subjects which have importance to human lives at the time amazon heralds it by saying it's divinely channeled in imprinted with sacred codes going on to say this book will either have you saying fuck guests or it'll piss you off. Maybe even both are looking at this notion of being a real honest view rattling cages. How would you describe the book i mean. Even though that i've forgotten it myself. I feel it such a great book really. It's so important and it's it's spot on what's going on today like external riems and how we connect also connecting the dots from our perspective. What we can see what we can feel experienced in what is going on and with the perspective of moving from the personal level knee and my coal sharing our personal stories in how we have gotten these inner wisdom not only like a mental knowledge but also like embodied wisdom so we share these really vulnerable stories than we also right about two topics ancient wisdom and conspiracy theories. It's such an interesting relevant angle right now at the time. That's something we can dive in as we unravel here. What are some of these taboo topics that the books touch upon and some of this ancient sacred wisdom. That were speaking of sarah. I'm a yoga. And i've been studying yoga and holistic disciplines for more than twenty years so I come with lot from the yoga perspective on our bodies our minds. How everything's connected to the source or god or whatever you wanna call it that we can themes and also my personal experience in cleaning and clearing my south so i'm aligned with who i am at my soul level my core essence so. I'm writing lot about that and also about the importance of the water like the water. We drink everyday you know. We consist of seventy percent of water in our bodies and every soul that you have is being transported through this water and if it's a good good thoughts than you know it creates ripple effect in the water but if if it's the negative thoughts or if you're scared of corona or if few stressed about work or if you this also brings ripple effects into your energetic system so we write a lot about than we connect the dots for sacred sexuality which for many people is taboo topic money it money sex and religion is the things that people are having wars about on big conflicts about so we are writing about these topics. The sunscreen word for conspiracy is conspirator and it means to breathe to breathe with the higher version of myself. So if if people are throwing that you are a conspiracy theories the remaining because the word in itself has been hijacked. Yep show the true meaning is the breathing and connected to your higher self That's a good one to throw out there today. How are we connecting to true meaning. Yes we look at that. Idea the sacred water so often in that water up we contend as human beings to have those experiences where we carry baggage is we get that magnetic force within as the track's not only our own energy but the energy of the whole entire universe around us towards those experiences that we pick up and carry on in a pattern we carry in that physically carried that in our mental patterning. We carry that in our emotional patterning lack a magnet sometimes most of the time. You'll we pull that tortoise. And that the ns you say like water is such an important elements and all the elements that we see in the algorithms. We also have within our bodies. We consist of a wind. Fire air water. But the water is also one of the elements that can really shapeshifts or shaping shapes and forms all the way from saudi allies or moving and flowing us you know like a river or also like it in a guest and these is also our emotions in in our physical bodies is connected with the element of the water so for many people when we have frozen emotions when we have frozen traumas or stress that we haven't processed it causes a lot of stick nations and blockages. And we are at even aware of it. Because it's our subconscious or unconscious mind so the water element is also within the fascia. The fussier that covers eight percent of our muscles so a rigid rigid stiff body or a body with a lot of x. Amount shortly it affects all levels of the energetic system and the water that might not flow as she won't to and also when you want to have relationship or sex or whatever everything is connected with water and bodily fluids laud blood is connected to the water element so water is also elementary for life right. We can survive without food but it's harder to survive without water and water is also connecting people even continent some countries so the water aspect is so big and it goes all the way from our inner. Dna's we as you said. We carry memories within our bodies within ourselves that contains water in our dna and we can see water elements out in the universe from the scientific perspective. I know there's a lot of research out there about not only in a proper nutrition and health. How much water are we taking in. Good clean water. How many of us are drinking. Carbonated waters were drinking. Flavored waters. Were drinking all of these soda waters. That are full of other additives preservatives. That's a whole ballgame to open up. We're not going to go down. A road of unraveling net mystery today but those things influence we take it for granted rather than just starting with good clean pure water some people. There's a big dilemma trauma. Out there. In a world where. There's a large portion of our population on this club. That don't have access to clean water. That are drinking from muddied. Sources or chemically tainted sources just stagnant sources or. How often are we looking at. How often are we looking at. That is one realm to just earmark today. Consider those things but also we in the western countries. We have very stressful. Lives and stress is being transported in our inner water. And then when i go to the toilet out and so we are drinking. Yes because the water is renewable. It's not like all we get fresh water because we are using the same water over and over and over again. This means that we are drinking other people's medications and we'd take medications our stressful lives in in our society to maintain you know to maintain to be productive or effective to maintain these high goals of the american dream or whatever and so we take a lot of. I dunno so lost and saying Depression pillow some cardiovascular disease hormone pills whatever and it's just flushed up yet built for every and even though that you are cheering chaining water that we drink from the top but all that. Peel settle the medications. They can't be filtered out. So that means that we continuously drinking polluted water tower. We purify ourselves. can we cover fire. Selves liked to try to just cover our head of tires to those ideas because if feels beyond it feels overwhelming. Some of that is just a programming. Were receiving the tells us in it as a whole 'nother show that that's a place i'm sitting at it. How often do we make these excuses. If say it's bigger than me. And i can't handle it. I haven't had my coffee in the morning. And i can't think of deep thought that some of the bullshit that we keep feeding ourselves some of the patterning that we keep accepting that we've been told over and over we hear it and everybody else says it so we jump on the we get the word fuck in the title on the fucking bandwagon. We might as well say it today. Can't avoid it because that's the title of the fucking book. There's a liberation in that. Lots of walk blend in with a liberation to say that if you own that word and dejected. All of the patterns. We've been taught about of kansas liberation allowed. It's another word in the meaning is all in what you put behind it exactly. It's sort of many meaning like you can be fucking gorgeous fucking taboo. It can be a good faulk allows we can be fucked up fucked up programs and so so this many meaning teams and that's also minimum word of many uses. We just watched the net flicks program last weekend. The history of swearing. And there's an entire fucking show catered to word. And i'm having fun with this because i'm like yeah i see opportunity here. I can just liberate himself from it. And say yeah. I'm going to say the word and we wanted to use strong tidal so because we are talking about strong subjects and the sacred sexuality we have lost the sacredness any has basically become just huck for many people so the sacredness needs to be reclaimed. Sacredness lies within each one of us but we are so polluted from. Our thoughts are stressful. Lives are medications are lifestyle basically how we live eight how we think so. We are so polluted and now during these times people are so stressed. People are so worried and anxious. There's this like we talk this. Divide and all of this is being transported in our water and it makes his the water the frozen emotions that we don't express becomes rigid and we contracts. This also means that we. We don't have the accessibility to source or to force or charge sacred sexuality in the way that we could have and so we also need to reclaim the sacredness. Because even you know there's so much porn and there's so many hard things going on out there and young people that look at. I dunno whatever next movie or pornhub or whatever. It is so distorted the view on the sexuality. The view upon the sacredness is so distorted. And it causes even more distortions and pollution's allow inner and outer water so we need to reclaim it and we need to clem. Sit outs and it all starts. Were rule there again. How many of those patterns in our views are accepted. Societal knowledge of it are we just mirroring projecting replicating. Where do we return to that sacred truth. How do we evaluate. What the real core purposes and meanings behind this so many words and so many things that have been hijacked so also to become aware of the words true meaning like as i said that conspiracy sexually good thing to be breathing together with a higher solves but the word has been hijacked. And it's now used as said belittling someone or exploring to make somebody smaller or whatever so there's so many words that are being hijacked and many people are they have intimacy together. Maybe a lot of people are just fucking because they are not connected. They're not connected to their heart. They are not connected to this sacredness into intimacy so these also creates even more distortion and you know the view upon it so it it is in so many layers and so many levels that we need to take radical responsibility to go inwards to look at oneself my own beliefs my own way of life. How can i contribute either to the pollution that we see or two clearing up the pollution. What do i do. What actions do i do from space. Spin me or intention i have. You will look at that. Whole process of two people. Being intimate source purpose is to create and to give life. Are we creating. Are we doing it with the the source school of continuing our creation as a species. Are we doing it to create a positive energy between two people and sharing energy as you said throughout this whole universe becomes another source of creating those positive life affirming life giving energy worth an since many of us are so disconnected to our hearts. We are so much within our heads thinking too much analyzing being problem solvers. This means that the energy is being drawn from the body in the head and there's a disconnection like a divide and this is very hurtful both for the man for the woman if they are having intercourse or being intimate because every i mean this is really this might sound really horrible and if you think about it it really is. Every man is entering into woman and leaves his imprint there. So if you come from a disconnected space and if you're stressed if you're worried the the masculine are emptying their energy from their links pillar of lights into our eunice our vaginas and they're stored here until we consciously decide to remove. Its now when we look at that. From how large majority of the male population axed large portion in this trying to be aligned from observational object. If you when you see it you can win is how. There's a large portion of the male population that have constantly in every action they do an inbound negative energy into the world. And we all have it regardless. If i'm in a female body or in a mexican body because we all have the the quantities energetic qualities of gene and so this is also this mass awakening that we see that that is going on around us is also again to reconnect to merge the mature masculine with mature feminine into the sacred union on the holy. Fuck that's what we call the holy fuck. That's basically the sacred union. So it is an inner job so i can balance my masculine and feminine and merging. So also we come back that you as a man you live in maine body and many men. They use this like sex as a stress relief. They're stressed than than they have. Sex and Relieved the thing is if they are having sex when they're stressed than they're dumping their stress into the into the vagina women and women. We are totally different. Women cannot have sex if they're not relaxed so we come from different space will so if we're looking to being intimate so we need to be relaxed in the order to open up to let mandate coming in so Again it's a huge responsibility of the intention. Space may entering you and what space in me is. Projecting outwards to the outer williams. Today's episode is sponsored by anka. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain. It's your free platform for podcasting. 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If i'm in a female body or in a masculine body because we all have the the qualities the energetic qualities jeanne and young so this also this mass awakening that that we see that is going on around us is also again to reconnect to merge the mature masculine with mature feminine into the sacred union on the holy. Fuck that's what the fuck that's basically the sacred union so it is an inner job so i can balance my masculine and feminine emerging so dole. So we come back that you as a man you live in a main body and many men. They used this like sex as stress relief. They're stressed than they have sex Relieved the thing is if they are having sex when they're stressed than they're dumping their stress into the into the vagina women and women. We are totally different. Women cannot have sex if they're not relaxed so we come from different space will so if we're looking to being intimate so we need to be relaxed in the order to open up to let many coming in so again. It's a huge responsibility. All the intention or space in may is enduring. You and what space in me is projecting outwards to the audience. We are one and the same and the energetic flow. It's always like the gene and john qualities and it's always the balance because we are as you're saying jeffrey. We are both the receiver and the giver at the same time. So we are both receiving and giving and if i give out from contracted space polluted space. If i gave from an unconscious space this brings south to the auditoriums and to the amplified field because each thought each action each intention each human being is contributing either to the divide or to love or to both. I have to interject at that point that they're in to me lies another pattering. Because we always say we have to see the whole of me to see things rather than trying to shift some of our perspective framing that. We have to be in alignment with the whole of everything. I know that's the goal name at the book. How do we start to mirror that. In a way that we are relying our frame of reference to it. How do we start to say that. I am you and you or me. One in the same living with a equal mind an equal state of being this is also what we write about in the book. That's as we've been talking about a lot of words. A lot of things have been hijacked and we know that everybody's from source right and source. It doesn't say that it's right or wrong good or bad everything is just a -tunities limitless possibilities from source. And we all have the whole spectra. We all have shadows darkness. We will have not so good qualities and we all have the light the love basically it comes back to that. We have two basic feelings. It is love and it's fear and we have been living in societies that have been based on fear fear based societies. Lack fear scarcity. These are the things that we have been probed with from a very very long time and this time that we are in now. It's also about awakening to see beyond the aleutians that we are being thrown nuts. You know you have to do this job to do this. You know whatever the media wants us to see so we have to again with a mature masculine be able to look through to penetrate the aleutians and basically what it means is that we are each one of us responsible for seeing acknowledging weakness thing and transforming our inner dr seuss darkness that i see out there starkness that i possess myself so i need to dare to see it i because i cannot change anything if i'm unaware of it so becoming aware the first step so i have to become aware of my own shadows my own darkness that the union the young qualities at i have to embrace it. I have to love it. You know not criticize it or judge or diminish it. I just have to embrace all the ugliness of areas and then it's transformed so this is also what we write about in the book about the distorted numbers of six six six distorted numbers of the based and the really meaning behind it. So it's also again to become mindful of words that we use the intention that we have an again to see the whole of not only to project. Just this side to this is also what we riding about in this book sharing really vulnerable stories when we are transforming our inner darkness idea the beauty and the beast. Where do we find that beauty and the beast. How do we grab that. Beast that bull by the horns to find the real truth the sacred truth in all of our being. Where do we turn to move past a theory which is just simply a projected understanding or an unrevealed awareness to truly conspiring inspired together to find that equanimity. Yes and that's what we call the homeless. Fuck that's the merge the merge of everything the merge of the yin and yang to make whole because one cannot exist without the other one quality cannot exist without the other. They are complementing a needing each other and they are together becoming whole feminine. The masculine day night the moon and the sun always laris love and fear again so for me to be in my life to be in my potential to be aligned imitating or aligned or centered. That means that i have to acknowledge my darkness. My goodness my shadows. Whatever you wanna call it. And as long as i have all these strategies work lots taking medications do in drugs refusing to turning words into deal with myself so the longer i have these on process shadows within me and how can be in my life because the more i transform of the darkness the more i can be in my lights and whatever that we see that is going on also now externally is also mirrored from the perception that i have and we see all the time so basically. I don't think that people are not old people. are you know. Evil are evilness as well. But it's just that it's is immaturity in in looking and acknowledging a one on spill shit willie jones at one on shadow and we ask to ascend and transcend through its to becoming the better version of ourselves to becoming even more whole because if this is unbalanced the young is imbalanced. The beauty and the beast is symbolic lavin. Fear and i'm still you know living world with a scarcity and lack. I'm really scared of this. Sombat that then. How can i give this. So my truth is that what's we cannot do this shift. If it's not embodied. I cannot do it only in my mind by trying another solution or trying and other action or so it needs to be embodied. Basically it is for me. My tooth is said. If i have a lot of fear that i have to be in the feeling of being here i have to feel the fear within my body out makes me feel. I have to observe my breath. I have to stay in it long enough so it can transform and depending on what kind of trauma stress that has caused this particular fear and we all have and we are all being many played with fear and we have all been ruled by fear for thousands of years. We create our own fear nine times out of ten. We're creating our own perception of the now but we are also inheriting other people's fears slow. It's also our dna again within the water quality inherited fierce in our subconscious mind and we have no clue that it's even better ultimately we just all have to own our own portion of the shit infiltrate water. Don't take shit and somebody else's water and simple. I'm gonna i'm gonna be blunt about it today. Rattling the cage. Don't simply take shit and somebody else's water and this is a metaphor for every thought that you're having every word you choose to say consciously consciously every action everything. Yes so it's really about what is going on. What is my shoes and to navigate through. Its end to really really really be honest and to be bold according to look into my own shits to start to transform my shit into. How do you say when you used to shit to to make the crops grow manure. Use your So it can become a nerve or other things can grow. And we haven't writing about in the book. So i have my way to explain and to inspire people. Let's hear how that unfolds into but from your perspective. Well okay so. I have access to my water in so many ways like even when i'm talking about it i can feed. My water is moving within me like soft waves. And if i really. If i really let it go i can just sit here and have fun orgasms without doing anything so for me. That is one way of cleansing and purifying water. Just let it flow and let it go and again waters also combined and connected with emotions so every time that. I'm sad every time i'm angry. I am with emotion and just let it flush through me. But i really and truly feel this might sound corny but this is my my truth and my experience that my water when i turn it on. Its very healing and very transforming not only for myself i feel also transforming emotions and stress for the collector powerful medicine so i'm revealing. Yes here a a couple of sessions. Where i where. I am talk about the water in that flow in hall. I through the water. Also because it's dna it reactivates storman codes within each us. We have so many german codes within our dna. So i've reclaimed my the essence of the mermaid and other energies that I have experienced that. I'm writing about in the book. We also writing about different timelines to like. I don't know how it was your country but here i'm from sweden. So sweden the me too campaign was really big really big. I don't know anybody who has been polluted by sexual harassment. News have experienced interactions with so many individuals throughout this program over the last year that have relayed their contact with that their experience their trauma with their whole emotional war journey of it right now looking at the whole country. That's just taken a major fucking dump on itself right now. This is really really really sad and also if you combine it with the perspective as me as a yogi also believe that the energy never dies the water so everything that your ancestors have been through. We all have been perpetrators. We all have been victims in previous lifetimes because energy never dies energy just transforms into different shapes forms. So everything that that is you jeffrey. Is you oughta result of you know answers this way back from your mother's side from father's side so there's like thousands of people thousands thousands of people behind each person and every trauma every sexual harassment. Every war everything that people throughout humanity has been through is stored nardy in as you know just a while just it his group not just your own family. We all connected that throughout everything. That energy is freely floating through every fabric of our universe. And how many times. I can have to say this before it starts to sink in for people but i'm going to continue to say it. Every fabric of our universe is your fabric in my favor. Yes and that's what yoga. Unlike quantum physics is talking about entanglement that we are all entangled or entangled one way or the other. Don't tire fabric says simple. Let's go back. No entry johnny. Don't tie his fabric in and out. Okay make sure you're not paying your fabric in and i don't have anyone else's fabric in enough down in somebody else's water yet in somebody else's water because you're just dirty in your own war. Yeah lots lots of things to transform an take. You have to have the the strength and the boldness and the curiosity to do this but you can also change timelines. Also one way of cure flying like we are giving example on in the book as well. So there's many ways to purify your thinking process and everything that you have stored but you have to be willing to work because nobody can do for you. What d you believe. What do we all believe what is a truth or the truth. Which is recreating. You know it's all a power of our mind how we create that and then how we act upon a how we emotionally respond to it. Where do we form that cognition. Cognition being the very process of the mind. Where do we allow the dirt of biased orrin. Unfounded unexamined unaware unim- bodied truth. Come in where do we allow that static that dissonance to distort the view to keep us from deeply rooted throughout our human experience. And we are writing about this also in the fucking soap water disagree connections thing also the way we see. It's combining everything that i've been talking about connecting the dots to what is going on today because when we wrote the book we wrote it was published in july or august twenty twenty so we were writing about also events that took place spring twenty twenty. But we still see. It's we're still in the midst of it so we are writing about the things our truths and the way we perceive. it's a snow. Turn eternal truths because we are not being shown by the mainstream media we are being shown bits and pieces here now on and the only thing why each one of us can do is like is this resonating to me is this might choose or is this somebody else's choose what is my truth. What is resonating within me because we are always receiving others people's truths you know in school will learn to receive other people's truths and society. We are groomed and try to truths so really what what is the truth. And i mean there's like how many billions of people on the planet and we all have differences right. The greatest truth to me is that we all think feel inexperienced differently if you do not align with that and release your own attachment to that reality. You aren't moving into an awareness that that is a universal truth to me. It's looking at that classic fish story. We hear about that. Classic fishtail the fishermen that goes fishing. How big was the fish and you can have twenty people in the group in every time somebody talks about that fish or any story any occurrence. There's a different view of what the reality was. No two people will ever have the same account of that event no matter what it is a sexually yes yes you'll will have to follow the truth that we are given the truth that are given or forced upon us. They are shaping our realities right. So what is my reality. What is my perception of reality. What is my truth. And how can i use my voice like we have been writing this book to reach out to people. There are other truths were often prone to experience our subconscious programs. Yes wants us to perceive what we think we know. Each habit and patterning creates our mode of perception. What was our past. Experience is the ultimate lie because that is not what we are present with now currently experiencing. Yes we are also looking in the wrong places like you're looking out here for happiness looking for the perfect may some looking for the perfect car. I'm looking for new renovated. I'm looking for new some looking for whatever odd here. We are looking for the wrong things and we're looking in the wrong places and the answer is you know. You're never gonna find happiness here. You're gonna find happiness here but may be the happen. This is a frozen emotion stored on their layers and layers of contractions fears worries anxieties. Frozen emotions all sorts. We don't know there's so many ways we can look at thinking how those states are created and programmed in how we are taught to see buyer environmental influences more than we actually see the sights and experience what we hope yes and this also causes us to believe other truths to be more real than what we feel ourselves. I know i was very sensitive girl. When i was young but i saw could feel things. I could feel a lot of things. But i was told. No this is not the way and so this is the truth and this is the reality in so this is it so there was a big divide big gap between what i felt so inexperienced and what i was presented to and these costs me to start doubting myself. I started doubt myself like that. I was capable enough. I started dot. What i felt so i needed to suppress what i felt because it was appropriate for my surroundings. This programming that we are receiving twenty four. You know with our phones and everything has to be quick fix people. I quick fix sonnino tweet game and we think that we we need to do things fast and we need to be productive. This is just lucians. This is bullshit because the bigger better more we always get shed that notion and call it growth. We always call that or moving to some higher state. How often does that become a relatable truth for any of us yes and we can have these sensations and feelings of inner emptiness in her whole so. We'll looking out there for something or somebody to fill our inner hole but the thing is that we are hold all the time hold and holy but we have forgotten about it. It's clouded new. So often what happens. We end up. Somebody filled that space with the wrong substance. Thanks sorry i had to jump right in the water today. Please do please to and that as a we are fucked out programs are fucking can be. Where can our listeners. Go to connect with you in find out more about the book so the book is amazon. And if you want to connect with me. I do different kinds of so readings in healing sessions. And of course y'all get consultations you find me at euless. Carlson dot com. And i'm going to say to you. Because i know my name is difficult for english. People saying speaking people. So it's you debris elias k. a. r. l. w. dot com. Wireless thank you so much there again. It's another example of we become biased by the environments. We live in what we're comfortable with. What reality we choose to accept. So that's another great example that as we have these abilities to interact throughout zoom throughout some of these online ways of being connected with life. I love that we get exposed to so many different new experiences. Now yeah it's amazing and it's also a gift that Every gift every challenge to come will lead to aids player. Because this is you know. Life is built upon polarities because we cannot be only light. We are allied but we also have to experience some things because that's mean the human experience so the polarities are always though it can never be daytime in california all the time because obviously the son needs to shine here in sweden as well. Clarity's are needed on the comes with different energetic qualities and Yeah it's interesting. And it may. Because i don't think getting this so i i have to think in swedish central stated into english airline. Evan how it's gonna come out so and it's always different whole nother. Duality to look at. Why there is such a capitulation there to that notion globally. I'm just gonna dip the pole in the today the lettuce it catch what you went on that poll. Make the fish story what you want of that long ago because it's not for me to make the true for everybody else. Find your own truth in that statement. Where can we go. We mentioned that. Please reach out and connect pick up the book. Holy fuck in the sacred water with an open awareness of potentially purifying your waters in value reading the book. It's reactivating your in a dormant codes. So whatever your experience when you're reading the book it's perfect. Here's what i think you you'll so much for sharing this with us today. This has been such a mind expanding conversation for me today. I can feel that power net energy. I can feel your healing waters today. So thank you. I'm so grateful for sharing that with us today. Thank you jeff for having made always a pleasure to be here and have this heartfelt conversations with you so thank you. I'm grateful thank you for listening likewise nama stay the lighten me acknowledges the lightning you when we are allied at our core. We come into awareness of our central state of being understanding. Our emotions can access preventing us from avoiding how we feel in relationship to our experiences. When we do we find out are true. 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#278 - HARDY In-Studio: Writing No.1s for Blake Shelton, Morgan Wallen to Becoming An Artist + Barry Gibb of the Bee Gees on Why He Hasnt Seen Their New Documentary + New Music Top 5!

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#278 - HARDY In-Studio: Writing No.1s for Blake Shelton, Morgan Wallen to Becoming An Artist + Barry Gibb of the Bee Gees on Why He Hasnt Seen Their New Documentary + New Music Top 5!

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Compare how the speaker sound when playing your favor mixed visit our lot and if you wanna browse a little on the lot and in select markets never delivered at home. We're certainly not stopping. You carmax the way. It should be. Welcome to episode to seventy eight hardy in studio. We'll talk to bury gabe of the bg's which is pretty crazy in legend. And i watched a documentary loved it. It's on hbo. Max we always start with the best new music releases of the week. Why don't we do this number five. Tim mcgraw released a stripped acoustic version of something like that older song but pretty cool here you go and stay on t shirt. She was killing me and miniskirt skipping knocks on the never bother real traffic see at sun tan mmc and number four a new artists that i really like name harper gray. Who has played on the radio show. She has a new song called caviar in bars at number three jeremiah. Who is of the luminaires. Has new album called piano piano. It's his debut solo record. He's the hat and suspenders. Guy in the laniers. Here's a new song called an air that kills by the way it's all instrumental but it feels like it's a movie when you're listening to you. Words ever rap over it was. I'm not going to spend time listening to this. I don't think. But i do think it's interesting when people will kind of hop out and do something a little different in on their own like with this project you know. He's not trying to go solo now. He's i h to scratch. But i do really like the luminaires at number two. Laney wilson has a new song called neon. Diamonds flushing pain and number. One guy brandon. Ray has a new song. Out called fresh jared band azema billie eilish song out and i'll ask for your help here. My top five but i think i should you know actually recognize that it's out. It's with rosa leah mike. I don't know how to pronounce it. Low vasu all go ahead. Well it'll be that okay. And what does that mean. you're gonna forget. I know i'm going to forget. What does that mean that song. Yeah you're good to forget something. Oh i thought you meant i was gonna forget. Say the subtitle okay. Do you have a clip of that. Yeah income that billie eilish toughest consistently a little too dark for me very whispery. This pill like it's a sexy in between two people who shouldn't be doing it in a movie there's cheating happening and it's like when they get away and the slightly against the rules. It's the as a little too dark for me new albums out today. Willie jones release his debut album right now fraternity which is bon scott pre. Acdc which bon scott was the lead singer originally who died now. Brian johnson's lead singer. But that's out box. Steve hackett lee rocker from the stray cats. I think that's pretty much. It not a lot of music this week honestly music news. Eric church's releasing one three albums in april. The first one's called heart out april sixteenth. Here's the trend morgan. Wanna put that to charts puts out three. I here luke bryan got a nine album. Now coming at yeah. They're just going to album each other. Now here's a shipment of records the first one's heart then their soul and then there's one that's called end like the end sign. What is that called. The emperor sand amber sandy and it's only available on vinyl for his church choir members. By the way you'll probably be able to get it to eventually somewhere else. But it's just guessing so heart and soul so heart saw out of whatever you get there's three heart and soul but and only goes to the church choir all right Speaking of eric. Church eric church and rb singer. Jasmine sullivan will team up from the national anthem. Game is february seventh on cbs. The last time two singers performed together was aaron neville and aretha franklin at soup bone destroyed. Lady a the newest members of the grand ole opry. They were invited. Thursday by darius rucker during a taping of the grand ole offering ninety five years of country music special that our membership becomes effective immediately which was a bit odd to see them be invited and there were already members. Because usually what happens. Is you get invited. Then you have the night where you're inducted but i guess because of covid it's like all right. We want you to be a member and your member because you can't really do the big pomp and circumstance. That should be interesting. I'm supposed to be a part of it because i work with the austrian. Play the a lot but struggle for me is that show is on the same night. That american idol debuts. Oh but i don't do the first episodes of idle because i was off shooting other show. I don't know what's going to happen. But hopefully i can still be a part of the opera show. I think it'd be pretty cool. Dolly pardons brother dies. Randy parton has died of cancer. He was the singer and musician who played in the band. Also had a zone at dollywood. Probably best known for his duet with dolly. Can't hold a candle to you. Which by the way. Dolly celebrated her seventy fifth birthday on tuesday brandy. Clark postponed tour. She's artist postponed or cancelled toward aids. I mean you kind of have to write getting there. Yeah it's getting there in what way i feel like. It's not near close to being there were. You can't have anything that's not gonna happen. People still holding tickets for so help me help me out here. Yeah was this the tour that she was already doing like she announce a long time ago and scheduled so then it's like done got it okay. I was thinking because you're not going to go. We're gonna start touring in february. And then yeah. So it was the toward that originally was planned and then rescheduled like merit had like marina. Kim olivia rodriguez the youngest ever with a number one song with our song. Driver's license my driver's license last week is likely to hear the song. All the time kitten that she was an is in high school musical ashes. The other dude musical then. He started sprinting carpenter spending carpenter. Thank you and then she wrote the song since last week like we always talked about. Because you're so excited to finally try turns eighteen next month. It debuted number one of the chart which happened fewer times and fifty times in history. Finally now i got two to two or three left hip to be square by huey. Lewis aah metallica. They match exactly someone posted this mash up on youtube. Check it out. I feel like they sped up vocals a bit a little bit. So do the math perfectly. They said that it. It's a nice little mix that someone did. But that's sped up metallica stuff so fun to hear all right cool berry. Has the second best selling album of the week. Who will talk to you later. Barry gibbs new album did pretty well very given friends debuted at number two from the. Bg's i mean. I didn't realize the impact of the bg's. I knew their songs. But the impact in general. I'll watch that documentary and is fantastic as they were before me for years realized. What a legend. This guy was mean. Holy crap famous three times all different levels and after they weren't famous anymore they wrote massive hits for people including islands in the stream. Taylor swift records were number. Three and number four drake's new album certified loverboy coming out this month. After all he says all his energy has been dedicated to his recovery from knee surgery. There you go. It's the second delay or certified loverboy. It was originally supposed to come out last summer. That's your music news that your music releases and that is it. What's the order. we're doing here do hardy. I okay. you're gonna love the interview with hardy and then bury gift from the. Bg's thank you guys. Check out my podcast movie. Mike's movie podcast. What's on this week. Might have eddie on. We're talking about matthew mcconaughey eddie's your guest. Yep he's not guessing on this week. I guess you find a spot somewhere. Alright checkout movie. Mike movie podcast. Thank you guys ever buy something in integrated like pants. They fit great at the store. But after awhile you avoid sitting in them they're itchy and the windshield wipers are hard to find. Okay we're talking about cars here. That's why car is introducing the love. Your car guarantee with twenty four hour test drives in a thirty day. Money back guarantee so you can take a car home and get comfy with it because sometimes you just don't know it fits until you fall on your couch. Sorry talking about pants again. Carmax which should be fifteen hundred mile limit see carmax dot com for details at carmax. We're pretty flexible with how you can buy a car if you'd rather scroll through fifty thousand cars instead of walking the lot. Go for it. If you want to see how a car smells on the law before you buy it by all means we all have our things want the whole thing to come to you without ever leaving home by online compare how the speaker sound when playing your favourite mixed visit our lot and if you wanna browse a little on the lot and in select markets. Have it delivered at home. We're certainly not stopping. You carmax the way. It should be all right with hardy here in the studio. We never met before. This is weird. Could you've been around for a bit now. And i've been around for a bit. Yeah but we didn't even run into each other the few chance times that we were both out at sea as. Yeah yeah yeah. Acm's i feel like to the last time i was at like an actual award. Show like our red carpet. People were you know. Pre covid had was like over a year ago. Obviously so yeah. I think i've only literally seen you like once every passing year unicorn but i mean except for a kind of the the which is not a mullet long. It's a weird cleaner for sure. Other than that. I would say we're similar ish lee looking. Yeah i would think so. What does thinner than me. Generic white were generic. Why guys though. Yeah have dark glasses. You can still pull off the flat bill cap once. I turned forty this last out hat. Tiny more not hats. But i can't do flat bills. Feel like a my little too old to really rock. The flat one. I think that for the most part every body is too old. I think they're like just going away for the most part literally talking somebody about that earlier. It's like people just no matter who you are less cold these days and it flat bill. I don't know why has it been a bit odd to finally get recognition as hardie the artist. And you really can't do anything with it. What do you mean well because here you have a number one song on the radio right you have a ton of songwriting but nobody outside of our community knows who the songwriters off for the most part it sure right. That's yeah that's a celebrated job a well paying job if you hit big inside of our bubble. Yeah but you can't go to tupelo or xingtong and play a full full show as a songwriter. No you can't sell out no definitely not your success as an artist and you can tell me if i'm wrong it's mostly you're the peak of it has been we can't do crap. Yeah that's true. Okay get what you're saying Yeah it's been tough dude. And i really felt like i have to think about timeline. Our last few shows were around this time last year and we were finally You know selling out. Like bigger biggest rooms and stuff and i mean are set was like amazing and we were really doubt in and everything went away so But yeah it's been. It's been tough on that end but The songwriting school. I mean it's like. I get to play covers quote unquote. Yeah that i wrote. And so i kind of don't have to do real covers and get to play some of the stuff that i've written and i try to explain it live and i don't know if it translates if people really are listening but Ask cool. I wonder how many people because again we're so in to the industry in different ways but i wonder how many people that go show that don't know the ends of it actually know what you're saying when you're talking going. Hey i wrote god's country from blake shelton and then you play it and how many go. Oh yeah he's he's covered on this a good one. Yeah i probably a lot. I would think so too. I think we give ourselves too much credit. The people everything we say. Yeah i think so especially like in bars like probably different having got to do that in arenas obviously but But like in bars and they're loud and everybody's drunk and and you know that they're probably not paying attention. Your number one as an artist song you first one is and this is mostly what i was referring to. Because i know you've built a base and you've opened up for other big artists but for you to have a song that has extreme mass appeal. People go oh it's the guy that did one beer like that hasn't been able to happen quite yet. No no we haven't really played shows since it. Yeah yeah play. I hear is one beer. Two zero five on the record hits slightly different than the rest of the song so whenever this was decided to go to radio dimensional radio. Was someone really pushing that and it was like well. We can't believe we're going to do this. Or was that kind of the consensus to go with that song. Yeah it was just. The internet was data of it. Stood emmy oddly enough to it was hicks type. It wasn't even originally on my My iraq my actual record. It was a hiccup song and of all the songs we knew we were probably going to do. A single from hicks tape and Seth england kept saying like dude. It's going to be one beer. You just watch. And i was like okay and Sure enough it. I mean exponentially beat everything else on the record and and i've always been The say always. I've only been doing this a couple of years but like anything that cut i would be willing to do to have as a single so whatever that they say is blowing up on. You know whatever internet any app or whatever I'm good to go with. So i said let's do it. I know it's different but go for it. There's only ever been one of the person. Say that in that way to me when when doing these long-form conversations and he said you know what. I write almost all my stuff. I'll always. I'll take a couple of songs that i don't right because i'm a songwriter. And i appreciate songwriters. And he said. But if i cut it i just go. It's good enough to put out so you decide. Because i wouldn't cut it. It was good. Yeah and that. That was chris stapleton. Well he who goes. I cut it. I gotta believe in it so label you take it and do what. You're good at. Because i already did what i'm good at. That's how i feel pretty much exactly the same. I'm cool with anything. I and i know there's kind of a whole spectrum of of sonically of of stuff that i put out but i'm cool with anything going out there when you move down a ten and a half years ago. That's when you moved here officially. Yes when did you come to town the first time ago. I can't believe people get paid to do that about eleven years ago. Well my sister so. My sister moved here before i did. She's a year and a half older than me to do music. Yes originally and now. She's found her own path and she's doing something completely different but And so i was in like late. High school like senior year high school slash junior college and she was going to belmont and she hit me up and she was. I just started like writing songs and stuff and she was like hey. I don't know like what you're trying to do with your life pretty much but there's a thing called a publishing deal and you. There's a whole industry where you get paid to write songs. If you ever wanted to do that and i just kind of on a whim was like sure and just moved up here and and you know that's kind of when everything started see moved up here from mississippi. Where were you living. Because you're from philadelphia mississippi. Yeah i played a from arkansas and we played a lot of ball all around. You know arkansas mississippi alabama. Have you ever been there. Yeah been through really. Yeah have been to almost all in mississippi you just when you don't have you don't come from a place that has a lot you go to other places. Don't have a lot sure. Like wow that makes sense. Yeah so early. You just move around. And so yeah. I've been through there a couple of times. And so you were living there in highschool. Is that when you moved. After high school. i went to one year of junior college and it was like a joke. I mean i didn't know what i wanted to do was such a Terrible student and i ended up going to college here but I just. I knew i needed to leave. So i was technically in I would come home on the weekends but decatur mississippi which is like twenty five minutes away from philadelphia But yeah technically. I was in philadelphia. When i moved here. So you move up here to go to school. Yeah went to mt issue And so i lived in nashville for the summer and then i lived in murfreesboro for like a year and then i moved back and just commuted for the rest of the top when you're at empty. Seo who has a music school yeah. It's like the poor man's belmont. Yeah yeah that's why. I said a good music school nobel. Mott's face the music that's like the castle. On top of the hill you graduate. You could get a number one record but you go and you study songwriting there. What in the world do you learn in school as a songwriter. You know it was really interesting. And i hate saying this but the class itself you kinda either got it or you don't and the i learned more about publishing and like the music industry and kind of how not to get screwed in a contract and which that's what lawyers before too but I learn more about that. I think than the actual craft of writing a song. But i did learn a lot about publishing and a lot of music industry terminology in like three sixty deals and stuff like that. I really got I got a law. I took a lot in from that based on that major and also you meet people who then introduce you to people who didn't introduce you to people. Yeah totally. And that's that's what i always do. Add it's like. I understand that if i didn't do that i definitely wouldn't be here. And i and i kind of had a weird experience and and only had a couple of friends so i stayed in my room a lot and just like really learned how to write songs by myself. And if i didn't do that you know i wouldn't have kind of developed my portfolio for signing a publishing deal and all that so it was definitely worth it. Did you finish school. Yeah i believe it or not. I definitely do. It's in. it's in commercial songwriting. Which is insane. so you've finish school. You're in nashville fulltime. How am i assume you finish school at twenty two twenty three around that age. Yeah yeah how long until you're actually getting to pay the bills writing songs So i signed a publishing deal I graduated august saw. I had to do like four and a half. Semesters added summer to finish and so september october november december january six months. Six months after college. i i signed my first posing do what song or songs do you remember sending out because you kind of have this collection of material to go. Hey guys please sign me. Yeah do you. Did you have anything that is still floating around or ended up getting cut in the first batch of no. I didn't even get a cut on my first publishing deal. Until i signed my second deal and then i got one cut. They paid you for a whole deal making money off of you. yeah i have one song about a dog. That was really good. That pitched around that was like oh my schedule is so. It was one of the songs that i came into my deal with that. Still i will hear. Maybe we'll go on hold or something but no nothing. Nothing that i wrote before my pub deals has seen the light of day for the most part. Did you re sign with your original pub company for your second deal because they just been screwed. They just spent all this money on anything i. It's it's kind of interesting the my publishers relative of mine. I no kidding and So we we kind of right at the beginning sort of had a dream together and and he just kept saying that it's gonna happen. It's going to happen and Yeah i went with them again. How many years would you. I deal three. Are you after your to. You're going to your three. Are you like me. Like i don't know if this is going to happen. Yeah i was discouraged for sure i was. Why wasn't it happening. Were you not good enough yet. i think so. Yeah and it's so funny. Because i was so mad i just i wasn't bitter and i wasn't whatsoever. I didn't blame the industry. And i wasn't that guy but i was very frustrated but i know and and there were a few songs but there is proof in the pudding that i only got like one cut from our first deal and i just i was just i. Wasn't there yet songs. Go back and listen to them. All the time and i'm and i just kind of pick them apart and i'm like yeah just wasn't it wasn't the radio yet. You ever go back and listen to an old song and then a bit rewrite it make it better no years later like as a just like a exercise if anything i would and i don't even think i've done this on purpose but you know you're out of thousand songs so you've got to ride the same title eventually even if you forget about it but if anything if i had a great great idea or title that maybe didn't know how to write i would or am. I like rewrite the whole idea if it was a corrupt. Just split that with the people or either rewrite it with them or something like that. i'd be down for that your first money-making song was up down. Yeah yeah yeah. It was at the first song that ever got cut. No my first cut was That was actually saw to cuts down on my old deal I should go to church some time by tyler far. Oh yes my first cut and it was my first single and died like in the sixties. I remember it. Yeah yeah but still exciting to get the first single when you get the call and they go to single are you pumped. Yeah oh yeah. I mean i thought i was going to be rid not that. That's why i do it but yeah i was. Yeah i mean that's yeah it's a huge milestone and you know just a confidence booster and it's like you are doing this and somebody legitimate. Cut your song yeah it. It was all the wind in the sails. I think that i needed. And then after that everything just kinda started happening. Which is everybody says. Like you get one and you get x. amount or whatever and i've seen that happen with of my friends to it's just funny how that works so as much wind gets put in your sales when they say. Hey it's going to be a single did as much get taken out when it didn't hit. Yes but up down kind of cross baited with that so i had a little hope there But around the time it died was when morgan cut it so we still didn't know and he had only had the way i talk on so it's hard to you know really gauge that but Yeah it was good it was enough cross fade for me to not like be super down and think maybe that was my shot. There had to be to a bit of excitement whenever. it's not only morgan. Who who at the time was an unknown artist on a label who had no history at all not even a success or not success but no history global history But then when f jail gets on this song yeah you gotta go. Oh man. I got another bullet for the gun. Inside of the saw it was a huge Booster for him and that was kind of a sigh of relief for you. I'm saying like to write a song. You know if f gels on the song it's not gonna die sixty no yeah and that was. That was kind of the okay. This is going to be a hit. There's no way it's not going to be a hit and That was definitely a huge thing for all of that was all me and cj solar. I i really a few of our first car. Maybe and somebody else's like first or second cut and Our i hit together too so it was good for all of us. Let me play here. Morgan wallin up down up down. Aaron that you mentioned brat clawson. So when i heard about you songwriter about starting into you. The artist it was from nicole galleon. Who's a friend and she was like. Yeah hardee's is going to be an art and i didn't know you were just jammed. Nobody did. She was talking about the songs he'd written. I'd try that because a lot of songwriters in town have either tried and it was unsuccessful. Not a good experience or they just don't want to do it. Yeah you see all their friends do it. And they're like oh know about that. You never have someone who's a song writer who hits it big for a couple of songs. Because i'm good. It's never that way so you know you'd songwriter. Mostly they're they're like. I wanna live the artist lifestyle but for you was always kind of the goal on the no no. It was not it. When i was in college like i kind of wanted to and then i signed a deal and i was just like this is awesome and all i gotta do is write a song every day and and no i had i had. I had reached the point where i had zero intentions of of being an artist or at least like signing a record deal and like doing the thing. I might have had aspirations to music out or something. But no i had no. I had no plans to do it. I'm gonna ask you. This is weird question to ask. And i know the answer is but i wonder what your answer is when you say. You didn't have aspirations to be an artist. can you sing. yes like like. Are you like a frigate i. It hasn't been you haven't been on the show the the radio show to play and i haven't seen you live so just go by the records and so my friends that are great artists can sink pretty well. Yeah but they'd go. You know what i'm not. The best singer songwriter great performer. But can you sing. I think so yes do you. Do you understand the question like do you think that you can see in compared to nashville. I do I think it took me a while to figure that out or find my voice but Yes i do. I consider myself vocalist very much. So whenever you were coming up and you're looking at artists or maybe even just listened to artists when you're growing up in mississippi. Who was it that you're like dang. Let's 'cause i assume you're in your thirties. Yeah yeah so. I grew up with napster and started to download and then stream so i was able to get music from every direction. I was the first generation to do that. Where just because. I grew up in mountain pine arkansas population. Seven hundred did it mean. I wasn't listening to to bach sharon and limp biscuit. Yeah and done. Yeah so we have all this music coming from different angles. So i'm gonna ask you what came to you from outside the country music. I we were like god damn man. This is what i love food. Well that i mean rock and roll in general. I didn't grow up listening to country. I know that's like against the country music bible but So it was all rock and roll old a lot of old just from my dad and i still love classic rock but stone. Temple pilots soundgarden puddle of mudd limp biscuit. Yeah the whole ninety five for you. Sounds like it was the kind of late nineties. Transitional like early two thousands honestly nickelback do when they came out when they first came out. Dude that some of the songs were such hits. And i'll just my mom was blown. So that was a nickel back defender to my corny tomb is the only reason people hate. Nickelback is because they got so fricking famous and when somebody is so famous you can't help but get people start to the cool thing to say is i don't like yeah. Sure i watched the bg's documentary and i think experience the bg's our that was way too old but they got so big and there was such a backlash but people just started hating on that. It was just a cool thing to do. Yeah because everybody loved them. So i'm going to be go like you know what i love them. And then it slowly starts to be a movement. Scher and i've seen that and i don't know what unless i have friends. Hang out with those guys and they're like they're told us bags it doesn't matter to their music was great at the time. Yeah it was. I mean it was just to me it was mind blowing to kind of you know the the that was like even though like you said napster and whatever all the lime wire or whatever all the illegal things where we kind of had that beauty of of hearing music for the first time without having complete access to it like we do now and so when i heard stuff like nickelback. Lincoln park is another one A stuff just did something to me man. Mike completely inspired me. I don't even know how to explain it. But favorite artist of all time Pink floyd oh yeah and the so similar. I grew up with into classic rock radio and so i was like. Ccr credence was. There is really one of the most influential parts of music. History to me there. But i would assume that had to your dad. Yes in radio yeah. I mean my first memory. My first few memories were My dad had a chicken farm for a long time and he had like this little s. ten and we would listen to The classic rock station out of jackson mississippi and those are like i was probably three years old. I remember hearing free bird for the first time and then like a hurt. I don't know how remember this but like later that day. I heard it again on the radio and he was singing it and was still kind of learning the concept of radio. And i remember asking my dad how he. How do you know that song because the first time we heard it was earlier today and he was like no sign. That's like actually an old song but Yeah classic rock. Radio is like very early in my my childhood. Your dad still alive. And what do you think about what you're doing. Now i he's taking it all in stride. Both my parents are. they love it. Their mind is kind of blown a little bit. My sister was very much a black sheep and they will even admit this that she was. She sang growing up and and I was just a kid and play baseball and sort of. She moved to nashville and she was. That was this was kind of her thing. And so It's just still sort of people are still in shock. A little bit that the roles are reversed. But my parents are they love. Have they seen you perform to pretty crowded room. My folks first time. They saw that a trip out a little bit. Yeah the first time that they saw a good show was in atlanta and it was the first time that crowd ever saying Red necker basilan redneck was like a kind of peaking and They were in the crowd. And when i came back like my mom and and a little bit or whatever and they were just i'd never seen them freak out like that was it was really cool. Might be producing this. I i was doing. stand up. Plan theaters around the country and mike d. Had was opening for him and he was doing. You know five to seven minutes of comedy. Parents didn't even know he was doing comedy. So we're we're in austin and it was the first time they come see your time ever god so similar to. What did they think they freaked out. They saw me walk out on stage and start telling jokes and people laughing and they were like what is happening mazing. Because it's so quiet. He nothing but then he gets up on stage and is pretty funny guy. Just kinda want it. That was the same thing with your folks a little bit. I think so I've yes i think so. They hadn't really seen that side of me but they did also like my first show ever was like this halloween show. I did in nashville. And it was like packed with industry people so everybody was like extra hype just because it was like my first show and thereby new like knew each other but the real like to see it in front of real fans i think was a whole different experience for them and for me where did read necker peak. Twenty three maybe twenty four. So you're right on the edge of really feeling it though ha. Yeah it definitely took. It's interesting though because it didn't like one beer. The fan base was like kind of learning the stuff before even one beer kinda went top twenty. And they knew redneck earned. It's still like the biggest if not second biggest of the night but Yeah i mean it was it. It took a different different turn when one beer came out for sure after up down goes and hits were was it crossing with any other songs at the same time. Yes so Simple came out right after that. I think simple came out in like june or something and Up down what number one in july. So that was like the first like crossover and I remember simple up down at the number one party. Simple was number one. It's like a crazy cool kind of moment you know here is f. g. l. simple did pleased with your second song that hits are you starting to think i'm really gonna do this for a while like there's a pressure off your shoulders. Yes definitely yeah. I think like up down like stood alone. And then i started really going on the road with f. Gel and morgan was out. There and chris lane was they were all tour together and the next thing. I know Chris lane Came up and was like ham and cut the song he wrote. I don't know about you and then like And a couple of others. And then morgan. He and i started writing a lot and and he was like. I'm gonna cut this and this and this and this with you and then kind of jail sort of followed suit. And that's like when i really knew like okay. I think i have a camp. And you know. Because that's kinda the name of the game for the most part you know if you can at least find a crew and then you branch out and get cut sorta here and there everywhere else but I never really had like a solid camp of people that i could trust in and like felt like i was maybe their guard this guy or whatever and that was the first time that i felt a lot security from that. Here's chris lane. I don't know about you miss dance. Run through some of these. There's low cash one big country songs. The edge around here is jameson roger. Some girls off flag during. Here's blake shelton. God's country son when devon dawson was in here about a week or so ago. He said you saying the demo to this. Yeah and that when you guys finished it in his recollection they said. Hey you wanna to writing. Everyone has different memories of what happens. We're sure that he felt like that was a a song for you. Yeah i i made a joke to Seth and joey Join more and senate to them. And i said i can't remember not tried to find the texan that you know like it gets deleted after a year. Whatever but i said something like unless somebody like blake shelton cuts this in a week. I won't this for myself and mike combination. Now you say listen to your pomp when he cuts it. Yeah ninety nine but it was one percent of like manna shortcut. That song. no. I'd never do. I had modeled my like there. Blake had had put out so many songs that i loved and that i had like sort of gravitated towards that craft and a lot of that was because of craig wiseman and like just other people that had blake cuts but It was such a dream of mine to have blake cut and especially one that he was hyped about. So i didn't even think twice about it. And i don't think that the song would have been as big for me as it was for him. I think it was so big as because it was so different for having the biggest song of the year. I mean that song song. I suppose so. No suppose it one song of get. Linda was the single of the year. So there's no supposing play. here's one more. He wrote morgan wall and more than my hometown so by doing math here. Let's see one number one two three four five six seven nine number ones. You're worth about ten million dollars unless you right meant to be or something. I don't know if those are. Oh all right all right. So you're record and again. I'm going reference table for second because when stapled to put out from a room part one part new the big thing was is it from room from right right and it's from a room right because that's the room room. Yes now with your record. Is that iraq or is it a iraq. I you know what's funny is. It's probably iraq because iraq sounds like iraq. Why heard that joke. A lot recently like man think about that. Why iraq though Well it's you know it is a song record but also i think there's a little bit of a word play there with that. The record sounds like a rock record. i never okay. I didn't. I didn't cry. Why i decided on that. I thought about like. I thought of a million ideas and i can't even think of now but I just. That's what we ended up with and i do think that you know the record does definitely sound like a rock record and that was just you know aesthetically pleasing or whatever is the new single out because it goes for adds monday. What is it having some. Hell all right. We play a little bit of this. Yeah this the fun to write all the songs on the record yes. I've heard this song a few times. Where have i heard this that it would play other than just me. Checking out the record. Do you know have you played it anywhere. The only played played at a. Wwe thing it was like the troops thing it was on tv. I don't know if you saw that. Gimme the you know that that that thirty second version of you're in the room the concept what the song means to you okay. So we were riding. The first home record is called a truck and originally the second the last half of the second verse. There's a line about a guy that has sticker on the back. It says ninety two to two thousand twelve and in memory of his buddy and we were going to. We originally made the line. He misses him are stories. He can barely tell because he's giving heaven hell and me and hundred phelps and ben johnson. We were all i we that needs to be its own idea and so we change the line and we we wrote down give heaven hell and we wrote it like a week later and to be honest You know i don. I've never lost like a best friend thankfully or anything like that and so I i wasn't pulling from like an at like a a real like experience or anything like that But i've definitely experienced it You know secondhand or or stuff like that happened in my hometown. A lot so There is no particular person in mind but I will say man. It's been the most the heaviest like my instagram and twitter and stuff at dude just literally like thousands of stories of people and i try to respond to all of them. But i know that it's regime. People in that makes us really the kind of the realization. I've had this year is to have a platform where i can help people or at least trying to make people feel something so i'm really proud of that one. I mean you hit on all cylinders usually as one or the other and sometimes they shift sure but right. Now you're gonna hitting in all areas. Do you have any other songs that you have written for other folks that are out are starting to kind of flutter around a little bit like that just other single maybe even singles other other. You know i. I'm assuming i don. I don't know this is true on morgan's record. You're on some of those songs he wrote some of those had a few morgan's and right now have like swindles. Single single saturday night Scout robert counts as a single outcome. What do i know. And then Dylan carmichael has a song called. Hot beer. i've been writing a lot. What darks recently It isn't the best dude like aside from just being. You know the the the songwriter. And i've been lucky to be friends with derricks on a different level that yeah he's the best guy dude. He's yes you stolid as you could. You can get down and i'll find. I found like found that a lot of the guys that are like at the top are like that. And you know that. Luke bryan blake shelton and a lot of those guys like. You're around me like man. Y'all are just normal. You're just like you are on tv and everything and just good dudes. And i love that man. I if i ever get there i. It's a testament to how i want to be day. And here's why because people at that level have to prove anything to anybody. Sure you know. I would i. I'll say ah to single new artists offense to yourself. I just know it's okay or like a soap opera star or someone. That's new on a tv show in net. When you get that first taste of success you start to go. I gotta prove that. I'm worth to be here to prove my worth. I need to be a certain way. And you have this. And i think i went through it a bit to win some my tv stuff. Not that i tried to people different. But i was like i got to show people that. I'm actually worth what i'm getting to do. Yeah it's a weird feeling to have but then once you prove it to yourself. You're like you know what i kind of have. What is sustainable. I'm just going to be who i am and those guys are like that. Yeah keith urban yes. He's another one dude. The greatest do. I know so nice man. You just won't be like are you. Little big town. Yes dude yes like. Are you guys real you and you hang around them and you're like one day. I'm going to get you out of character. Never are yeah yeah. It's interesting to just how they handle success and and Yeah i just. I like look at them. I mean they. I don't know if they know. But all those people that you mentioned are like role models at this point. Because i just want to be like that as a person if i ever get to be the to that point you know. I think it's just an insecurity that every listen you can't create and be secure like you can't be a creator and not be insecure and some way i agree with your laying it out there in a vulnerable way every single time. Yeah totally. it doesn't matter if you're writing songs writing books you gotta go okay. I've created this. Will you please like it. Yeah sure do i that and you want people's approval you need it. That's why you didn't do it. You know wouldn't have done it in the first place if you do that. You've got to open up your ribs a little bit. Yeah and so. When that happens i tend. I was tending to really insecure and just be withdrawn more than be angry. I was just. I was just completely withdrawn now. Not so much. Sure i'm like okay. I think i'm going to be here for confident. But i think it's the same thing you made up. I just brought up a great point. Luke bryan where together all the time shooting american idol. Yeah yeah that's right. People are always like luke sixty seventy million dollars like the nicest coolest guy in the world where you'd never know almost much all these songs on when you tell people you're from philadelphia or do you ever say philadelphia and they can put it together dude. Every every time. I made some. I knew i have to go through the thing every single time i say when i say philadelphia like i see. They're confused face for like a split second. And then i say mississippi and make a joke about have a when you start writing. Did you go buy a full name or you all already. you did. Yeah i did i. It's just hard like all my friends. Call me hardy. And i don't know it was just like kind of one of those like i have a couple of buddies that i just have always called him by their last name for whatever reason and So when it came time to sort of do the artist thing that somebody kind of brought it up. And i was like yeah. I think that's cool. Something different and while caps bold. yeah. I think it's just kind of you know redneck or being the first song and i think the music being a little more intense than than maybe some of the stuff in the format you know are thinking stands out. Are you feeling and again. I don't want you to take this the wrong way. Because i compared to you and i both to average white guys if you just see normal dudes out call it kind of a normal core happening country music and hard core but like you look normal. Yeah lou. Combs homes created normal core. I think for the longest time a lot of country acts before him really stapleton kind of in a way. I in my opinion maybe sort of helped develop that. But i think luke combs kinda delivered it to everybody but Yeah it's cool to look normal again. I i think before that it was like everybody was like either was or was trying to look like a professional wrestler. Yeah either extreme cowboy chained up restless like you had to have your aesthetic niche. We don't have to have that anymore. No show him do what you're good at and if you're good i mean the more normal you look. I feel like if you're if you're good people are going to go nuts. Yeah when jamison. Rogers was here. He was leaving that night. After we talked to go and plan the softball the league that you guys were planning. Yeah and so you are on the team. How how physically are you holding up when you go back and play ball. I was sore. I heard I hurt my knee or something like the last game Dude that was a big like. Oh god i'm getting old kinda thought but dude. That was fun. Yeah that that was so fun and you guys didn't win the whole thing Now you've frigging stacked. I know a man it was. I'll tell you why we got beat and myself included. Everybody tried to hit a home run every single time. They got up to bat. So we we. I would bet. Eighty percent of our outs were long. Fly balls it just. We couldn't help it. Everybody wanted to hit a home run. I swear because we were good in the field we had great outfielders. We had good infield. We didn't make a ton of errors. We just we would have to our bats tough we we were good. We want a decent big aims but Now we didn't go all the way. Do you feel like you had a target on your back. Because you were all the singer's own without a doubt dude. oh my god you. The duke of college basketball like even the bad teams are gearing. 'cause they're about to play harder they've ever played absolutely. Oh man there were some teams. Some of the guys are really cool and they would like yell at us and make a song reference a joke or something like that and then there was. There were a couple of teams that like you could just tell. They're like these frigging country singer. Yada yada yada is in Oh dude we felt it every single game. it was intense. Did you ever finish a game and the other guys go get a picture before we get out and by the end You know morgan only was only at a few i. He had a lot going on. You know But thank god. He wasn't at every game. I think it might have been chaos Because it was just sort of his he was really starting to peak And and and There was a ton of you. Know like celebrity singers on our team but wrestler. Let's walk through it. Yeah chris lane you jameson jordan. David jordan davis Obviously morgan there's five five riley green played one game. He didn't come back John langston was there. Got your team. I would wanna fight either that we were. We were thick by. Yeah for sure ernest. I don't know if you know. I say them on twitter. Sometimes he was on there and then some some of the younger guys jeb gibson hundred valves and yeah but it was cool man. It was a yard team. Name was the recoup ables. I don't know probably saw it on jameson. Was he wearing his jersey. S saw it on instagram. Maybe jordan and posted a picture and i think similarities. Because in case you don't know a recuperable you have to pay the money back that pays like. Hey we're going to give you five dollars. You go make a record. Well you've got to pay five dollars for the five bucks every year. Yeah yeah so. That's the jerseys. Yes now i guess they were. Not like in form are in Material but yeah. We had uniforms just very classic. Look in baseball shirt this someone by all them for you. Do you all have to go out and jameson handled the whole thing and we just. We just paid him so it also saw. Yeah it doesn't and you give them all the money they were gonna try to do it again in the spring if the code stuff kind of Still you know. It's not looking like it's going to be happening in the spring as far as tour. Go so i think we're gonna try to do it again. Are you a gambler a little bit. Are you gambling more now. That it's legal here Now i was doing the same before. Okay yeah to me though. And i was to a bit but i was so tired of paying in bitcoin to an offshore site gonna check from like armenia and the bank won't cash it or like like i think there's some activity going on worse. Yeah and so. I started to get tired of that. But now i'm on draft kings. Yeah three or four times a week. It's the greatest new part of my life. I've never done draftkings like 'cause you do that kind of fantasy format i'd you can. Yes campbell on game just just regular. Yeah that's what i do lines. You know money lines just like anything else. Yeah so i mean especially during the break. I'll do the radio show. Monday through friday morning immediately leaving. Go shoot tv on the weekends. And whenever i'm doing you can't gamble in every state. So i have know i have to vets and before i leave. I did that before. I went to colorado with dirksen him. You had to do all of my national all of the playoffs. And all that stuff. And i did it like in the airport because i was like. Oh my god. I'm about to screw up. We have a problem. We're doing okay. I'm across the state line yet. And it's fun it makes it dude. It makes any game interesting if there's a game on and it just started in. It's the knicks versus the sons. Or whatever and you don't care about it then just put like fifty bucks or whatever on it and then it's like suddenly the most intense thing ever last night. I had a seven and i don't usually bet long parlays but a seven game parlay and i got to the seventh game and it was a brooklyn nets. I don't bet. Nba much was brooklyn. Nets cleveland cavaliers and brooklyn was down by about nine with three minutes. Left they come. They tying overtime. This is my seventh game. Who did you have mike okay. And and it was the money line it was a plan to spread needed to do was frigging win seven games. I'd put down one hundred bucks. I was gonna make thirteen hundred all. They have to win the game. They lost my seventh game. They lost in double overtime and double overtime. All frigging overtime with james harden. Who were they playing and you can also go. You know what i'm gonna take. The money already won and check out. You can let go cash in. I felt so good about the bed. Yeah the pull the hair out Do my favorite one this year. Was i put a hundred bucks on. Lsu versus florida money lot. I had a gut feeling and they all bassa football. Oh that's right by everybody in florida was still in the hunt to be. Yes the national chain. You bet the money line. Yes and i was like dude. I just have a gut feeling. Lsu's going gonna play them at least a really good game. They beat them. I was that was that was my best of the year. does it goes a fun one. You play golf. Yeah you good. Oh you are oh never why does annoying scratch you guys that come in and you can sing and you can write and you can play goff and you can play like all. That's just annoying. Somebody like music like hustle in my eight for every single thing to play off to play ball everything so. When did you start playing golf. When i was twelve. Okay so you've got a bit of history at it happened. I mean like. I'm not like fundamentally like you know what i mean. I don't have like the perfect swing or anything. But i've been planning a long time. I love it dude. It's my favorite sport play. Who do you play with nashville. Brad tursi from alderman. Yes pretty good bit. I got a songwriter. Buddy of mine. james mcnair that apply with a ton Play with devon a good with jameson a good bit There's a great community of of dudes that play a lot of people play golf. And i think a lot of people really picked it up this past year But i love dude. You see my your lefty. So am i are you. Yeah yeah i can see a lotta lefties here. Never i can ever use anybody's clubs and i can never play anybody's guitar. You play latino guitar. I play right handed town superior. Is it because there were right. Handed guitars available. I think so like my first one as a gift was right. Hand guitar but It still feels like natural for me to play right handed. Not i don't feel like. I could play left hand so i think it is a natural thing somehow. Yeah i if people are playing and they'll do that on the you do and i'm like well there's no frigging guitar. That sucks it sucks. That is that's worse than golf clubs because like at least you have your own in that situation but Dinning is like that feel like. Dan could play outplay travis. As he plays lead guitar probably good keith. Urban took my guitar wants. He's not left handed goes. Let me see if i can just you. This and he has a little conversation with both of his hands. He goes all right. You do this do this. And then he starts to play. I don't know four times better than i do. That would make me. He's unreal dude unreal. So i think he had a conversation or are you gonna do you usually do and you do that. All right bryk in your own. My gosh. that's insane amazing slash annoying. I wish that there was more more. There were more things like products and stuff that appealed to left handed. People you write lightheaded. I do doxa yes. they won't. He's pencils at all. Because i thought about getting a tattoo. One time where like this to get this whole thing. Shaded like to represent like the. Yeah that'd be left left-handed for those that don't know and most of you don't you have to drag your hand across the paper like you right you right right and then you go across what you just wrote so you always so it's always all life sucks you guys. Don't even know my you have no idea. Tough is in the winter. It's been because i have the goal of the simulator saw. That's been worth it. I won't one had more friends in the winter than i've had funny came in doing today. You can play any course on there. Mostly it's amazing. So that's been kind of the winter project is it. i mean i. of course the man. So it's like super accurate right. It's yeah dang it's accurate. I say that and i'm like man shot that bad. Yeah let's be honest that bad so cool man. It's been a good hang out. Go talk to you. Thanks for having me know for sure. Look forward to see what happens with the next. I mean it's that odd mix of you kinda hidden in a lot of different ways at the same time in in for that. I commend you because that doesn't happen without a ton of hard work things like you can be good. I have a lot of friends who are good stuff. Don't work and it doesn't pop or maybe pops for a second so to have this success. It's all kind of hitting you at once. It is by accident and it isn't just because you're talented. You know in this town where everyone is a giant that the talent around you. Everybody's amazing to have this much success like i. I respect it thank you. I appreciate what you're doing. Thank you and congratulations making everybody in pleasure. Checkout iraq iraq. What is it. I would say iraq okay. That's that's a conversation. I would say iraq checkout iraq. It sounds like iraq. That's what's up. There is fall on instagram at hardy. Tough to get the handle or with. I had to pay five hundred bucks. I just had to pay interest first of all. Can't get at bobby jones for anything for. Because you're mr is set for five seven years i've offered money and the person who has it doesn't really use it. Is it a guy or is it you. They're posting stuff of yours. It's a guy that's just like. He's another bobby bone. Yeah who that's a stupid name. I'm real name bobby. Bones is it. And so i've given up and so i just use mr bobby village right across the board. Well we started this kind of online cooking show. My fiancee did. And it's called fancy cooking and i was like big good name name attached really talented at it. So we did it. Somebody's squatted the as soon as we put it up squad at the instagram. Oh no way so. Get a message going. Hey i have this going to buy it. And i was like all right. You fifty bucks because okay i'm going to reward you for your ingenuity. Sure sleazy as could be that his legal okay. Yeah you're right. Get fifty bucks is they. Give me a thousand. No one youtube episode. It's not all my gosh dude. So i say don't message me again just playing and just be negotiating here right in about a week later. The comeback okay. We'll do percent fifty. I said forty five dollars. 'cause i didn't need it that bad. And in the end they gave for it in the end. Seventy five dollars. I ended up giving him two hundred fifty bucks. That's not bad you you got him down. Like seven fifty. That's not bad. I would have probably gone up a bit but they kind of chickened out and thought i was going walk and that's the key. Yeah you're right. I'm so bad at that dude. I need to be better well. Let's the risk of well. Listen if i screw this up. I'm going to get nothing. Yeah you're right. Yeah yeah well. Listen at hardy. Follow him good to talk to you in you too man and hopefully i won't see out anywhere because i don't go out but This is the out there right on right. Now is very good. Who hey barry how are you. I'm bobby it's really good to talk to you. How you doing really good. I i watched First of all. I gotta say i was born in the eighties but always loved the bg's growing up but the dock. The documentary holy crap was so good. I watched it last night. Oh wow so you know what. I haven't seen it are you kidding. You didn't watch it back. No i i walked. I walked supposed cut and made a couple of comments and you know even deep inside. I knew that things were sort of different people's truths and the you just have to go without and frank. Marshall did an amazing job and nigel. Think lah and i let go of it. I just can't my family disappear one by one you know. And that's just too much and you don't plan to go back and watch it now. Well let me say they did a fantastic job at taking me. Who is a music fan. I mean i do music for a living taking me on an emotional roller coaster because and again since you haven't seen it i'm sure you're going off. I'm talking about what it is. I know what it is. I don't need to see it it. It was the many times like the rise and fall or the rise in slow. Stop for the. Bg's for example you get a little famous and then it kind of shuts down and you go back to play like the club. You know back at home a little bit. did you think. Then on the first kind of hiccup with the bees that it was over or you guys could climb back. no no. That was a one time. Only thing i'm we were working in In about ninety seven beginning of the seventies we were working in a couple of clubs in in the north of england in the same places that chuck berry and royal similar playing so You know there's nothing to be ashamed of there so while we were doing that yeah. It was quite period before that but while we were doing that we had to number one records in america so it was a little bit of a two edged sword. You know you doing great over there. You're not doing so well here and you know we never did. We never were able to be Comes when we just never were. It was never. It was always. It was always. What's next and take another shot. You know dust yourself. I'll get back in the studio. We never we just sorta never stops never gave up. You know you go. And you're in this french chateau or elton. John had done a record. And it was all fancy. And you guys go and it wasn't quite as fancy as you thought but you pushed on but as you're they're working on the next album you get the script for what was going to be saturday night. Fever yeah That's true and we didn't. We didn't read the script. We listened to elvis. They would describe what he wanted to do. With the film and We started writing from that. We didn't want to be. We didn't want to be affected by the script. We just sort of wrote up. That was going to be my question. Did you read part of the scrub. You're read none of the script. No no we knew what it was and We already knew about john. Travolta and robert was often running and he wanted to do this. And and we you know we vote for him will vote for know to please him. It's great to write for other people. You know to track someone in mind that you wanna please. And that's that's how we did it. When when that record is out and you guys are now turned into not just superstars but megastars unlike anything really you know. Seen in twenty years since the beatles are elvis. Was there ever a point where you felt. You couldn't even go outside well. Yeah of course You know there are people climbing overall wolves and the kind of thing that you might expect. the comes from that kind of thing it was time alive. You know we had a bowl. I think a lot of people don't see the seventies the way we do if you live through it it was. It was quite an amazing period. There was no war there was everybody wanted to go out. You know. there's a lot of fun being had. And and record label amadeo chicken in fact you know you guys have got to kick it up. And that's where the that's then you move where we reinvented ourselves. And the like jive tolkien and finally we. Tender and funds like that A main cole album children of the world they came about because of that and Yeah and and then fever so beavers show. It wasn't he actually are albums. Right but Boy we have the time live for you guys and again i. I know dolly pretty well. And i knew kenny. A little bit before he passed away and the stream is such a mega hit for both of their careers and brands. And for for for you guys for you to have written that now. Is it true that you were thinking about marvin gaye. When you first did islands in the stream. No i thinking of diana ross and because because diana had access to write a song for her so i was in the stream probably going to be sent to diana was cold from kenny. And and show you. How are a beacon somehow coincide with country music. I'll never understand but he says i don't wanna do a duet on a dolly so That that that song fitted you loved it. And i showed a dolly and she she just set it on fire you know and and And she's showbiz today. And i wanted to have a happy happy. They and she's become one of my dearest friends and i couldn't wish more happiness on her that i that i am doing. She's on track six words. It's you and ali and so when you call dolly up. Did you send a text if you have a friend reach out to. How does that work to get dolly on a song. Oh donny donny knows l. We've become good friends and He represents valley. And i think that it was probably Between dave calls and and other I don. I didn't contact to a direct and it was it was. I just got the mess use all. He wants to do what i didn't. I didn't tell anyone what to sing. I didn't make the choices. Allison wanted to do too much heaven. The greatest thing in the world is that they said yes and some of the office. I have my both in the world so it was. It was me just rolling around in country music and bluegrass and and working with the people had my the most you know now. I was introduced to all of this through Through t shepherd and kelly line and they. They introduced me to ricky guy. Rick ricky and he got me on the opry twice. I did it and one other rhyming. And i was i was. I was shocked then i was done. I was the only fish. The only way that i want to be in and an nashville a city of music. You know and and i want. I want it to be more than anything show i. It's it that's how it came about. You know you talk about some of these amazing artists. That's on the record. Encourage everybody to to check it out. It's you know the brother songbook volume one is out now. It's got dolly miranda. It's living newton. John jason is. It's just loaded with talent. But i wonder when you were twelve years old. Who did you. Who's record did you want to hear royal without a hoppy without without a second thing to think about it and at my song. Whatever i do. Songwriting is inspired by royal vision. And i love how his songs grew and took shape as they went along and got bigger and bigger and bigger. And i think running scared and at blue by you and crying and dreams and it's over and i was just i was just in love with the guy in love with the music and johnny cash. I think was right that to I wanted to. I wanted to sing like oil. I wanted to write like lotion. So he would have been the single inspiration for me. Was there ever a show. Where when you guys were blowing up or maybe you were hitting success. And i know one point. Barbara streisand shows up in the documentary. Come into your show but was there ever someone that's had had a big fan. I'm gonna come showing like. I cannot believe they're coming to one of our shows. I couldn't believe that i mean i. I couldn't believe the bible was that libya was there and and a lady was at one of impeach at that point. And you know. I i could never believe you know i believe county grant was in the audience and i wanna told me i wouldn't have believed that either so life is full of surprises. If you really want you know. I think the record is great. Hope people check it out. And then the documentary on. Hbo max is just so good and you know even if you were a fan already. And i consider myself you know if i if i know massachusetts i feel like i'm just saying that and i knew it and it was a bit part of it and when ed sheeran sings it at the end i was like in tears. Wow well you know. I i love massachusetts to. And that's the sixties you know. It's just amazing that that's that's fifty years ago. You know outrageous bobby. Well mr thank you for your time. You're a big superstar. I'm i'm grateful that you give me a few minutes and telling everybody to check out the record and my friends did. The little big town was so they were wonderful. They were so grateful to be able to work with. What was it like working with them. Pleasure appeal black. Obey they They are extremely what instant they know. Exactly what they're doing very professional wonderful. These didn't didn't take long and and How do you bring your love is is is there you know and i think they did another hunger they did. They did the how they did. How deep is you love. Lonely days ago. Yeah i trust me. I'm big fan hardy. No i i tell you the whole thing go better memory the me la how you loved wonderful. I mean that was wonderful. They didn't have to do that. You know they didn't have to do tucson. And that's that's that's when you know to a real thank you for your time an amazing day and big fan and hope. Everybody checks out the record and the documentary. Thank you very much. Mr gibson thank you bye right bye bye.

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Van JonesThrowback

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Van JonesThrowback

"Hi this is karen. And i wanna talk to you about my new podcast for the new york times called sway. If you want to know what people who hold power in our world are really all about need to hear how they answer the tough questions and that is my specialty and although it might get messy as it always does. It's also going to be really fun. You can get swayed wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes are available. Mondays and thursdays van jones has worked in the obama. White house and at cnn and the road in between those gusts stops was really really hard and it shaped his life. When you see people get torn apart on national media we all sit back and laugh. I never laughed. I've been that person and here's what it feels like. It feels like somebody's taking your face at torn it off and stapled some ugly face on it some other face. That's only this one mistake. You made her this one downfall how he came back from that today. Van jones on tour asiago van jones is one of the smartest and most sober political analysts. And all of cable news on nights when it seems like many analysts running around the set with their hair on symbolic fire. You can always count on to the cold hard truth in two thousand sixteen. He became a national star. Because of how smart how progressive now elegant he was on cnn that was a return to prominence for someone who'd been high up on the mountain and then knocked very low in two thousand. Nine van became a special adviser to barack obama on green jobs. Enterprise and innovation but six months into the job a smear from back led to van being forced to resign and then he was at the center of an international story. He's beaten up on fox every night for weeks. the moment left him deeply depressed. He was adrift in life today. He talks in-depth depth about that moment and feeling lost and what he did to get back to being successful because reaching success is about what you do after life knocks you down now. Van is the host of a show on cnn. That airs twice a month on saturday nights where he interviews incredible people. His first episode was jay z. His latest episode is able to vernay and oprah winfrey. Tm son your bookings are killing the game. I always hope that this show is a value to you and that it gives you some thoughts some tactics of inspiration. Some fuel for your rise. I know this episode will be all of that. Van jones came to the studio. You carry yourself with this powerful dignity. I think that wraps whatever you're saying in this gravity and this wait. Where does that come from in you. Do you even know you recognize what i'm talking about. No really no i can be silly. I mean i i i've quoted. Ll cool j. and marvel comics on tv. I don't know if that's if that's dignify But you know i i do come from a particular background in terms of having grown up in the rural south on the edge of a small town. My father grew up. In extreme poverty. In orange mound memphis. He joined the military to get out of it and then he went to put himself through college a little small black college at called lane college in jackson tennessee and mary the president's daughter my mother because my dad had it like and You know and then my my grandfather and my mother's side obviously Was a college president. at a very young age. And so you know i've had. There are a lot of black men in my family that taking on serious responsibility and Played important roles in in our community. I feel like i own them a lot. If my dad had had half the chances i had he'd been either. You know billionaire prime minister. Whatever i mean these us still my dad's still the smartest political minds i've ever encountered and i've worked with the very best But it was born poor and segregation nineteen forty four and his his he got was able to buy a brick house with a yard in the front and the back and he never stopped talking about that. He thought that was. You know we got. We got a front yard antibiotic yard. You ain't never open refrigerator and not have food in there. I mean so when you start with those kinds of you know shoulder sustained on you want to jump high. I mean you. Yeah when. I think about grandfather preacher Grandfather college president Father a principal. Yes so all these men who are leaders yes and have to be precise with their words. And when i read that as your lineage and like a bullet it starts to make more sense. Yeah i think that's right and Yeah i mean. I think there's a lot of You know my mom. Of course also extraordinary. I mean she was a community leader as well. Actually i spent more time with my mom growing up. My dad they stayed married probably shouldn't have but they stayed married. And my mom who knows know the big churchgoer sorority member. That kind of stuff. And i went to the meetings in community with her and my twin sister so i got to my organizing background from my mom. Got some of my leadership background from my dad. But you know there's a lot of black families like mine that don't get very much attention but are the backbone of most small towns and neighborhoods across the country and We you know. I was born in sixty eight so when those doors came open they said look. You guys are as good as any of these white kids get in there and show him but they'd never been there so they're sitting. They sent me to university of tennessee at martin and then to yale law school. They're sending me to places they've never been right. And so i'm the i you know i'm the explorer trying to figure this stuff out and You know it's You and i do carry that. I do carry that responsibility of feeling like A lot of people shed a lot of literal blood for me to be able to walk through some of these doors. Yeah i mean that has definitely been something powering. My career my choices that you better do something serious. Because there's people who died and bled and fought for you to be able to have this opportunity and we're in the generation where in you've been an activist for a very long time but we didn't have to fight the way. The previous generation had to fight just to be able to drink the water fountain. Just build a walk in the front door. It was it was a choice. I mean for us especially now in the eighties. You to the huxtables and spike lee and kind of stuff that there was a sense of kind of black middle class. That was coming on. But you know you could choose to be more about the cause or the struggle or just choose not to be and I chose to you know to to take all this stuff seriously. I graduated from yale. Law school in ninety three moved to the bay area started suan cops and work in closed prison and a lot of stuff that even my parents thought was weird. What you make some money to pay back of these laws you'll love but you know i remember one time. My uncles were getting on me about boy. You need to make some money. I and my dad who never really take my side at any of these debates. He's always kind of ribbing me about yeah you you broke your whole life you know. Hey leave him alone. Somebody's gotta do it. He wants to do it. Leave him alone. And that was a powerful moment in my life and also just in my family's life you know willie jones is supporting this with and is doing and i think about that moment a lot. Now that he's gone you know he he he was you know like most people torn between kilowatt. Make some money. But also i think proud that i was choosing a Some of the more important values. You're demeanor on cnn. Throughout 2016 suggested even keeled wisdom in the midst of hyperbole. everyone else's hair is on fire. And here comes van with the comment that even people in the right have to say that was fair. That was honest. And i've been in those moments. When i see the way that the world sort of pulls you in different directions to say this or say that what were you saying to yourself throughout that period to keep yourself in. Let's say the the right thing honestly not be pulled to the left by this feeling or pulled to the right by false equivalents. Or what have you you know. It was such an interesting campaign season I'm a lot better known now. Than i was then and so i had a lot more freedom. Honestly you know during the primaries during general election because i was just one person out of you know nine hundred and forty eight people on a screen you know we have a box and we have a very big panel sixteen bucks exactly sixteen boxes that you know and i love it because i get a chance to learn so much while. I'm sitting here listening. Everybody else. But i was just literally one of it a lot of people so but i come to the stuff as you. Well know i you know. I was a grassroots activist. Frontline you know the left side of pluto of through my twenties into my thirties. You know in the bay area. Police officers And doing a good job at that You know the ella baker center for human rights. Which i was lucky to co founded in one thousand nine hundred six in the bay area you know. We closed five abusive youth prisons in the in the early two thousands and we stop them from building a super jail for kids. It's super jail for kids in oakland which was already i mean just crazy stuff. That was going on people. Forget california is like alabama when it comes to prison policy. I mean we have we built. I think twenty plus prisons in california and one university in the past thirty years. So you're living in california at a time where you know where where does michelle alexander. Come out she comes out of being a teacher at stanford being in the bay area fighting against you know the prison the what we call the prison industrial complex tele call it. Mass incarceration but you have to remember. That was my life in my world. For most of the time that i was an adult. And so when you come from the grassroots activist background especially in california. You're used to fighting democrats. I invite republican to. I got to dc working for obama. I was fighting as much as i love him now. I was fighting jerry brown. The mayor of oakland. I was fighting willie. Brown is a mayor of san francisco. Who at that time would democrats were doing to buy themselves some credibility with the mainstream they would be quote unquote tough on crime which meant tough on young black and brown kids and throwing us in jail and prison for stuff that i saw kids doing at yale and worse they would go to rehab. I mean i saw more drug use at yale than i ever thought any housing project i worked in and so you had that going on and so i came up independent of the democratic party. I came independent of all. The kind of you know you got us support them. Whatever they do. I was fighting democrats. You know bipartisanship in california is democrats in the green party. So i came up in that. And so you know you got to remember It was a weird fluke. They ever wound up in the obama white house in verse. Place we We'd started something called the green jobs corps in oakland. We were taken young folks who were on street corners and getting them jobs in the solar industry putting up solar panels. Nancy pelosi thought that was the coolest thing she took me to washington. Dc we got george w bush to sign something called the green jobs attitude thousand seven. I wrote a book about that. Two thousand eight which became a bestseller and then suddenly I'm one of the foremost authorities on clean energy and job training. The obama administration ahead look at eighty billion dollars with a b. in the stimulus package for clean energy and green jobs. Nobody knows how to combine that with job training programs. But you come to washington. Dc in other people who did but they weren't as high profile and so suddenly. I'm in the obama white house for six months. I'll leave under fire now. I wind up on cable television. But i don't come to it with a normal media. I don't come to it with a normal political background and that gives me. I think just a different perspective is. I'm trying figure out some way to triangulate. I just look at the stuff very differently. No true i remember lawrence o'donnell once said to me. You know what we see. Our people like we were covering sports. Politics would be like. We're covering not the game's not the practices but people come out of the practice and tell us what they were like. And those of us like like chris hayes like yourself like angela. Rye who've been inside. The process have an entirely different perspective on it than most of the pundits who have never been inside the process. And i think that that balance between You know media professionals who are very good at their part of the equation and then you have people who have been inside the system and they have their part of the equation. What i bring is somebody who was only briefly inside the system. I was mainly fighting both the mainstream media and the mainstream politicians trying to help these poor black and brown kids not go to prison for their whole lives and not be killed by unlawful police violence. And so that's something i think is important because there's a lot of wisdom in the grassroots. The never gets on television. And so you mentioned like you know the the democrats were so convinced that they were going to. The hillary clinton was going to be donald trump. And i thought it was ludicrous. The whole time. And i was saying the whole time like i don't you were and i was getting beat up on twitter. Getting beat up by cut my democratic colleagues on air and off. What are you doing. I said well first of all even if i thought she was gonna win and i did. You never tell your team. We got this in the bag. We've got it. These guys are trash. They couldn't win. You need to leave your your loafers on you and you've got to put on your sneakers. This this game is over. That is a very good way to get your butt kicked right and so i said even if you thought you were going to win saying you're going to win. Every day as a bad strategy was turned out to to actually backfire at least in michigan. But worse than that. I just thought like you know you get fingertips when you when you're a grad actress. You don't have a pollster. you don't have a focus groups you yourself your clipboard and the laundromat in the bus. Stop and you learn how to figure out what's real and what's fake in that tactile way and for me. It was real up a bra. I used to be able to stand up. And when i was giving a speech and the and it was going badly which happened often to save myself in front of liberal crowd. I can always say 'em before i close. Let me just say one thing about barack obama. People go nuts. You always save yourself. I got on the stop. And i said well let me just say a few words about hillary clinton crickets now this. Is you know january. February two thousand sixteen and i'm like hold on a second. There's something really wrong here. And so then the other data dummies that run the democratic party and think they know. Everything's i'm willing to ban the data doesn't back you up and i was. I knew something was wrong. My only point is simply this. You ask except i came across differently on television. You know i've had to be. I've had campaigns where people's lives were in my hands. I campaign where you know. Somebody's child was dead. And even the lacey. Cpi wouldn't take the case and it was me against the world and and and there's a sobriety that you have to bring to that to try to figure out who's real who's fake. How can we get this done. Who can we rely on. And i tried to bring that sobriety to television and extended. I looked different. Because i am different. i think sobriety is an excellent word for the vibe that you are bringing When people were saying kinds of crazy thing. I mean and i've been triggered in those moments and had to swallow it and so i know how i do it and i only do so. Well you do it much better than i do. So when you're in those mega panels and somebody says something crazy. And the trump supporters The televise trump supporters were saying. Really crazy things yes. How do you maintain just your personal cool to not be like jeffrey white out or or not just to beat up on him but just any number of folks like what like because i know inside your probably like what are you talking about but outwardly. You'd be like let me respond to that. Well i think a couple of things. I grew up in the rural south. And that's very important. A lot of my colleagues grew up on the coasts and they literally just never heard stuff like that before so literally they for the first time in their lives being confronted with people who hadn't been house broken and potty trained twelve hundred other liberals and progressives already kind of beat them up. And so i i so i In you know given where i grew up. You know someone like jeffrey lord or you know Mcenany or any of these people. I mean they're pussycats and very easy to deal with compared to the folks. I grew up with who were just straight up. We just don't like all around here. So so i think i was better prepared to deal with this in in that regard Also i listen to a lot of right wing media I think most. I mean a lot compared to my peers. I mean i mainly listen. Msnbc and cnn on the right wing. I fox rush. Limbaugh checkout breitbart. Though i can't a little bit goes a long way I read erik erikson stuff every day. I feel a responsibility erik erikson. It's easier to swallow than do you. Go to mark levin. Can you go to sure. Yeah yeah. I mean not. As often i mean unless especially when i go home and driving through tennessee i really make sure to try to imbibe all of that and then i try to keep up. I say that. Because i don't wanna be guilty of what i accuse others. I accused the right wing of being in a bubble. It's hard to do that. If i'm in a bubble so i can so everything is so i grew up seeing this stuff and then i wouldn't when somebody says something that sounds crazy to a liberal progressive to me on television at seven o'clock at night nine o'clock at night those sound bites and talking points have been out there since nine in the morning and so it's not my first time hearing it and so i've had a chance to listen to it process. It think about what's the best way to try to respond. You know we're an and then the other thing i try to do is i try to give them as much ground as possible. Listen you could be right about this and this and this and your answer is still. Does it make sense. Because and so that's what people well you know has being fair. He's being fair. But i'm just saying these arguments are nonsense decked upon non upon nonsense so you don't have to fight the whole stack. You could give them. I can give you ninety percent your argument and you still wrong and so you know. 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Because i think folks don't realize you're you're a pundit or a commentator that does not necessarily in the minds of the executive suggest he should host his own show but you're till popular are you now at a stage where you can just go into jeff zucker office and say hey. Here's what i wanna do. And he's like all right. Let's take it seriously because it's van man. I wish i would. That mean that would be awesome. How does it happened Did did they come to you and did you say i need to do something different. You know what's so interesting in some ways. It's my third show. Because i did. I did crossfire. Yes early on with Newt gingrich and se cup. yes And that was an amazing experience. Showed work out From a ratings point of view. But i got a chance to really work closely with newt and with sc and a chance to you know frankly come to really appreciate how big the the right-wing is in terms of institutions in terms of. Its its policy. And i mean it's basically as big as left. It feels to us. The right wing is just as big with just as many characters and place. And i got a chance to work closely with people who are very well connected so i i still benefit from knowing those folks but that show didn't work out that was in two thousand and thirteen and then And then what happened. Actually what happened if you wanna get into. It is ferguson happened. And i'm not a a news person. I'm just an opinion person and up. Until then i'd just been kind of doing you know. Former obama administrator versus se cup on whatever issue or versus whatever issue And then what am i producers rebecca cutler said listen. What's happening in ferguson is so disturbing. I think you should go there myself. That's weird because you know ordinarily they send correspondent and then we stay in the bureau and we comment on what. The correspondence are doing but But they put me on a plane. I i went to ferguson's. I'm on the ground there with the host people like anderson don lemon etc on the reporters and stuff and they suddenly saw that. I could do more because i could relate to the people who were there. I could see also talk about police policy because remember. I spent ten years so we police departments. So i had this very deep understanding about police Policy and that goes up. Also when he's in the military with a police officer and my uncle to police officers come from law enforcement family. My dad's a former military cop. My favorite uncle is a is a cop But i sued cops. So i suddenly fell into this situation where they could use me as police. You know expert. They could use me as a person at the grassroots movement stuff. They could use me talk about and i think they realize oh we can actually do more with this guy then. Unfortunately after ferguson we went into a year year and a half where it was just all black people getting killed and in that black people getting killed moment. I was on all the time And then suddenly. We're into the presidential. And i think it just it worked out that they begin to have some confidence That i could handle a lot that i could see. They'd see me an enough different situations but then the thing that happened was i kind of you know broke the rules. I was so frustrated with the mainstream media. Commentary on the election. Hillary is gonna win. Trump has no pathway. Don't take bernie seriously all this kind of stuff and i wasn't bernie fan or hillary fan. I'm still a two thousand eight. Barack obama hoping changer. I haven't changed at all Well how can you be so. I'm hoping change. I'm not gonna let trump change me. I'm still a two thousand eight guy but you know i appreciate it. Web burning was doing. And i knew years speaking for a lot of people and the guy got forty seven percent of the democratic primary vote. And he's like a three thousand year old muppets socialist. So if this guy can take four hundred england from new england and and was brilliant in this guy can take forty seven percent of the vote away from hillary clinton in the democratic primary and can come from nowhere and beat her in michigan this day very weekend it and everybody was saying the opposite acid. Listen now now it's october. We're getting very close very close. And i'm very worried. Nobody else else's worried as we only got you scenarios hillary loses and we're in hell or she went and we're in hell because you've got so many people out there was a rigged election you know cetera et cetera. So you can have an armed t party response to a hillary clinton victory under these circumstances. So i said listen i'm just gonna get my own camera crew and i'm just going to go into. Trump country are talking to people. And i started going to trump trump voters homes sitting down with them and saying. Are we going to have a civil war. And they would say yeah and you're doing that on my own. But so were the metal shortcomings in fact What happened was cnn. Just gave you a camera notice to know. I didn't tell them i wrote the rules. I knew that. If i asked him they would say no. Because i'm not a correspondent and it just wasn't going to work out and i just wanna see for myself so i got some people. I had done some documentary film work independently with and we went out meridian health pictures and we just went out and we just shot stuff and then i brought stuff back and we got all volunteer people to cut it into edited and whatever. We just complete volunteer effort and we call it the messy truth and so you create your own pilot. yes. I created my own pilot. I created my own everything. Independent breaking all the rules and then i put it on my facebook page and got a million views and a weekend and then they call in and yeah they were not happy and they were elated at the same time right. Because i wasn't supposed to do that. But it was clear that i was onto something and then after the election i would have been the one person who had been consistently calling that. This was very very tough road. For hillary clinton And i had shown online that there was a big appetite for what i was trying to do. And so they gave me my own Six six episodes of called the messy truth And i got to go out and do it again with skin. But it was combination of one. Having a very unusual background for television in the first place rebecca cutler and amy and tell us feeling like this two thousand twelve. Let's just give this guy a chance. He's he's has this obama background but he's also independent. Let's put him on. Just just just took a chance on me. I did find into in two thousand twelve. But you know crossfire. The show didn't work out. But then you hit this ferguson moment and you hit this election moment and then i just went on my own independently and then all that came together and they gave me a shot and with the first Six episodes of the truth. I think the first two or three episodes it was the highest rated thing on cnn that week period. Well and so you know we said okay. Looks like we may have something then. We took mostly will say well. Listen go on every day You know keep nano. Oh i've shown some of what. I can do what i wanna do. But let's let's stop. Let's take a step back. let's think through. What could we do on television. That would be beautiful. That would be impactful. That would be good. Let's not just try to on tv all the time just for its own sake because i think that quality over quantity given how much suffers is out. There is important and so you know again. A lot of people were shocked will be you know. Why aren't you on tv. What i'm thinking. I'm thinking i'm talking to people trying to figure out what would be useful. And so you know. I had no show on. Tv for nine months And i'm so glad because what it let me do was to begin to understand what was happening. And the way that the media i think putin is playing both sides. I think putin has both of both sides year with these bots and all these different things kind of amping it up so that the real threat isn't necessarily a big authoritarian state you know led by trump is like hitler or whatever some a the liberals are scared of i think the real danger is just dysfunction and division and a country that can't do anything And i said okay with you. I don't want to contribute to that. Whatever i do. I want at the end of the day to be able to say. I could strong progressive. But i didn't unnecessarily at all the crazy and so the band. Joan shows really sesame street for grown people. That's really what show is. It's just a safe place for meaningful people to have meaningful conversations. No gotcha no. You know crazy stuff. It's on a weekend so know every other weekend. So have to fight about the ratings. And i my hope is that it can be a little bit of medicine in this very toxic environment. I i want to talk a little bit more by van jones show and a little bit more about the messy truth but i wanna go back just one second because a lot of my friends people i love are in the cable news business but a lot of us don't have a project like you're talking about they don't think about. Why am i doing this. And what do i want the general thesis out of my appearances to be. They want to be in the mix you know on. Tv getting seen and giving their opinion. But you stepped back. And i think a lot of us don't have the time and the rigmarole of life to step back and say what am i contributing. And how can. I contribute at the most valuable level for the entire country the entire meta conversation and i think that and i felt like i intuitive that you were doing that that you weren't just on tv to be famous but you're like. I have something that i'm trying to accomplish with this body of appearances. I appreciate that means a lot coming coming from you as well. 'cause you're such a big part of the media and understand you know different people come in for different reasons and they up two different things You know for me. I is all kind of accidental. I didn't set out to be a media. Career didn't set out to be a a well known person. I set out to try to stop kids from getting killed and put in jail. That's what i'm still doing. I mean i I'm a time volunteer at the dream. Core still the dream cores ation. I helped to found after. I left the white house. We've got yes. We code working with silicon valley companies. Trying to get more of our kids. You know jobs not companies. I've been out there. We code is amazed yellow. Thank you yeah. So so. Yes i still work with. That was on the phone with them. This morning We have a green for all still working to get solar jobs and solar opportunity to the hood work with them every day Also the dream core we have a cut fifty which the campaign to cut the prison population and crime in half and we love army there which is trying to spread love and goodwill in a tough time and so most of what i'm doing on a daily basis is still even though i'm not frontline. I'm not paid staff anymore. I'm the board president. And i'm constantly involved in trying to figure out how to get good things to happen plus a dad. I got two little boys. One's thirteen wants nine. They can't see me on tv screaming yelling at people being rude. And i'm telling them to stop fighting so between still i'm still deeply involved in grassroots work Very proud of the younger people. Chance to work with every day at the dream core Still working on criminal justice every day through the dream core and fifty campaign. jessica jackson. Sloan's that amazing star whose rising in that field. I get to work with her everyday. So i'm working as a grassroots organiz. Working to support grassroots organizers. Not organiser anymore. I'm a dad. So then when i'm on tv i can't just be on tv just lapping polls down and trying to get soundbites. Like doesn't that and so for me much more useful to try to Be a progressive voice. Can't be any kind of the voice. I'm still on the left side of pluto on every issue but the a progressive voice who's also tried to be constructive because it's not the disagreement. We're supposed to disagree but we don't have to disrespect and it's very hard for me to tell my kids to be respectful until the writing to be respectful if i'm not being respectful. Yeah yeah To i think you've got to how you got the van jones You've got how you got the messy truth you got to. Have you got the message truth. Yes i don't recall you how we got to the van jones show after you were. Yeah you are thinking and participating and yeah you know it. It has to do with the people at cnn You know Jeff zucker is a genius for television. People they all wanna like this on like that. But you're talking about cnn. I've never seen Anything like no Saturday night live has their own news in terms of nbc msnbc. They could be talking about all of that stuff sir. Night live is always talking about cnn. Throwing up Jake tapper throwing up a bringing baldwin throwing up interesting cooper. There's just something that you know we've been able to maintain and frankly jeff and amy tell us and those guys have been able to maintain. Was this jeff's idea it was it was it. I wouldn't say it's just idea. But what i would say is that jeff was open to a very. I think odd process with me because most of the time visas listening to. We're we're thinking about having a show people would say. Well let's put it up know daft tomorrow right because people are afraid the windows gonna close. People are afraid you know that people fear driven business and and i said that's great. Well let me think about it you know. Let's let's let's come up with something beautiful. Let's come up with something that would really make a difference. And then amy and tell us you know very close to me She's like you know what given how weird you are in how odd your approaches. We should put it on saturday night. Because then you'll have no ratings pressure and you can just do whatever weird stuff you wanna do and you know if we put you given how strange your take on the news right now. Because i'm like i take my take is you know. We're getting played both sides and that we need to find common ground. There's no nobody thinks that. I think that so. Why don't we put you on saturday night and let you do what you want to give me a great team. And but that's the genius of jeff. Zucker is like listen. We have this talent. we don't quite know what to do with it but let's take time. Let's let's go back and forth. Let's figure it out and let's try some stuff we're not in a hurry You know being jones. A partisan and family. In fact when i walk down the street. People don't know my name this go hey. Cnn the first thing they said hey see it is but you gotta get a lot of van. You know what i get. Hey johnston from it. I don't know man. I was on. Bet i got a lot of hay bt. Yes when i went to msnbc a lot of people knew my name. And i'm sure and cnn is the wallpaper of america's airports in bars. And i'm sure a lot of people are like van. I like you. I got more of that than i than i used to. But i mean. I can't tell you it's it's a. There's a bunch of people that watch cnn everyday all day and they don't they don't know all of our names not so far nobody's called me bakari. As long as they're happy people have called me. Sway it yeah You know as somebody who is in the current business of booking folks your booking list is extraordinary. Evancho's show started with jay z. Next you have. Can we say. Ava and ava duval and oprah winfrey. How are you coming up with this. Triple a-list level of booking are you. Are you calling the folks yourself. Are you working with cnn. It's it's it's it's both First of all my show is every other weekend. It's the most bizarre approach to television right. It's like it's not every day it's not every week it's every other week it's not in primetime was on the weekend we try to build habit here. What do you do exactly. Yeah but i just think let's see the world differently. I'm like listen. I think most people don't watch tv. I think people look their phones and if something if something happens it's beautiful interesting and it winds up on instagram or facebook or twitter. That's where they're going to see it so to me like know. I'll get to the bookings. But i mean just basic of my theory is i love rachel maddow. Yes love her. She's on tv everyday days a week. Trevor noah love him. He's on tv everyday days a week. I love bill maher. He's on every week once a week. I don't know that rachel. Trevor and bill. If you just ask people who. Who's on tv moore. Who has more influence. I don't think the public countered that way. I don't think the public says will rachel's on tv five times more than bill. Therefore she's five times. More impactful shirt or trevor is only on four days a week. Therefore he's you know one fifth less impactful than rachel. I think it's more about who you're being what you're trying to do with your show. So i said let's blow up the whole model. Let's not do prime time. Let's do it on the weekends the weekend and then focus on the people who i think are right now being under served right now. The politicians and the pundits get twenty four hours of access to the public. But we don't have larry king anymore right. We don't have a charlie rose anymore. We don't have a tavassoli anymore when we have our senio anymore where to the influencers who are not politicians. Get a chance to come on and have a real conversation. I said that seems to me to be a big problem. I think as a as a positive populist. I'll put it that way. I think that regular folks don't trust the politicians in either party and would probably be more interested in what steph curry has to say. We had steph curry as well. Then or malcolm jenkins who know a black lives matter guy one super bowl li morrison hearing what they have to say or even meghan mccain which he has to say then you know senator or governor so so again to have different views. I'm like i'm basically. I'm trying to counter program all cable television. Here's the deal. I think people would rather have meaningful conversations. That aren't mean. Gotcha they rather hear from influences rather than politicians. I don't think they care if i'm on every day. I think that you know we pull stuff from social video. We have a live audience. I do a lot of fuel reporting. I do a lot of stuff is just weird and the people who want that kind of Television can just. Dvr it they can just if you're not gonna watch it in real time anyway or catch online or online or whatever. It is so you know. But again i give a gift cnn. I go jeff. Mcgee amy gave rebecca cutler a lot a lot of credit. Because they're willing to to to to kind of let me do weird stuff. And i and i can't tell you to be able to do weird stuff at a place like cnn Is just a blessing. I mean i mean. I every day where when he's work for obama working on a walk in the white house i look at my badge and i'd be like wow like this is this is crazy and it was so crazy only lasted six months. But i feel the same walking cnn. I mean i have to get a pull out your little detail like you. Hit the magnetic opens and every time it opens them like know man. Like barack obama's presidential memoir comes out november. Seventeen it's called a promised land and it goes deep into his first campaign his first term the financial crisis the healthcare fight and the killing of osa osama bin laden it seven hundred and sixty eight pages long and believe you me. I will read every single one. Because obama's a great writer and his first term was incredibly exciting and important for the country. And it'll be really powerful to see his reflections and his insights on what was to run for the presidency and to win the presidency and to be president at a critical moment in american history. Be sure to visit obama book dot com slash story. For more information barack obama's presidential memoir a promised land is available anywhere books are sold van face recognition and then walks. Billy please serve. Lee wish ratings just went up two points because what the building you know. I it's I obama. Give me a shot prince. Giving me a shot and see didn't give me a shot. That's i mean that's your whole career right there you know you have and i don't think we do enough to open the doors of people behind us one reason. I love oprah so much. And abdur avis so much because sisters work hard to get other people on and i gotta start figuring. I mean. i've been working so hard to get my own black ads on that. I don't think i've done enough to try to help other people. So just just just because booking is a constant personal concern. How are you getting these. Super level guests are like i said are you. Are you calling them yourselves. Is cnn doing it. Helping you in cnn puts in a lot of work as well Look i've been the cameras very kind to me. I'll be fifty years old this year. Doing hard committee worked for thirty years. You know big cases in small. And so i just know a lot of people and they they. I've never asked him for anything. Except you know helped me to win this past bill or helped me whatever so you know. I have some favors stored up just from being you know part of our community for so long and honestly i think i mean Oh maybe rude. But i also think that there's something happening now in the black community With i think after americans really want each other to win It is no longer this will is all it can only be one and and you know has got to be yo tyra versus naomi and all that kind of stuff. I think that's falling away. And so you know you when you see someone like me trying to put a show on I think you know they're after america's and people who care about our community who are responding much more generously than they might have five years ago And so you know. Jay was like hey look you know. I'll be there Oprah's same way of the same way steph the same way. They're just like a show. I'll come. I'll help because there's years of relationship exactly built up and and i think that's something that people want to run past. I think you have a lot of people again. I'll be almost fifty years old. I think you have a lot of people coming in now. Who understandably they wanna be famous tomorrow and they want. They want to be on the cover of this magazine. They want to be invited this thing or whatever. I'd never focused on that. I've never focused on that. And so but by working as hard as i have listened. I worked on transgender liberation issues in the nineties the first organization to fight for transgender rights against the police department and against jails was called transaction. I founded that organization working with Some you know System brothers who are from community in nineteen ninety seven. So you my friend. Caitlin jenner atallah. Twenty years before your household name for this stuff. I was on the front lines. In the we change the policies and san francisco. Jails because they were. They were doing horrible stuff putting people in very unsafe housing situations and all that kind of stuff the protocols we established in san francisco jails in late nineties. Now the global protocols for how you deal with housing. So the when when when i could tell somebody like a caitlyn i was working on your issue twenty years ago. You know she's gonna say yet to come on the show like so so. I think that i would encourage people just work on. If you believe in work on stuff you believe in do do the work. Just do the work. And if you do the work and you're good to people and you learn and you screw up horribly and then you apologize you come back a little bit better next time you build up some goodwill in the bank of the world the den when you do want to do something that might put you in the spotlight. You've got a big bank account to draw from. And that's basically what's going on right now and people are like listening dan. You've only had four shows. Jazy oprah avis steph curry like. It's not i've only had four shows but his four shows after thirty years of work right right Can can i tell you. One messy truth yes I think sometimes the messy truth fell into false equivalents and. Do you agree with that. No i don't. But i know that liberals feel that way a lot. Yeah because they more about it. Well i mean it just felt like sometimes you were trying to say you know. This is similar to this. Yes and i was kind of like your your examples about what we are not doing is not equivalent to what they are doing or have done to the country by inflicting. This man on us sure. But i think that part of the problem that i have with you know my fellow liberals and progressives is the same problem with my kids like it's always well he started it. It's his fault. And unlike what i'm doing i'm just saying there's a danger of that of yes. It is in fact true that the republican party is bordered on treason at at this point in terms of its its abandonment of its own principles and values let alone basic democratic values and values for a democratic republic. And i'm tough on them. I'm tougher on us. A much tougher on us because actually expect us to be able to govern. Someday i think that our coalition will govern. I think all this nonsense and this divisiveness in this crazy stuff and the gerrymandering or whatever is fear of our coalition and i think our job is to grow our coalition to erode their coalition. That's our fundamental job. And i don't think when you lose to donald trump. I think you've got to look tough in the mirror. And i do believe that we thought correctly that two thousand sixteen was going to be a referendum on bigotry in the republican party and it was a referee was on big republican party. They're okay with it and three million. More people voted for us than voted for that nonsense. And that's a good thing. However where the vote was decided it was also a referendum on elitism in the democratic party and in you know in pennsylvania in michigan in wisconsin in some of these places where the where they were not wrong that the clinton campaign was an arrogant out of touch campaign fair and some of those white guys who voted for obama twice and then voted for trump. Shouldn't have done it. I know a bunch of them. I mad at him for doing it but they had a point that they were trying to make that. We still haven't gotten which is that you to draw your circle a little bit bigger. I think liberals and progressives need to draw our circle big or do we need to look at trump card. And say i hear you. Yeah and also here. Because i mean you're here's my frustration. I thought perhaps wrongly that after thirty years on the left fighting the hardest battles without a national platform. I have bought myself. Maybe more credit with liberals to then challenge But i think for some people think that was born at cnn. They're you know they. The last tweet is or the last. You know sound soundbites the thing they remember the most. But what what. I will say this. I am tough on us. I am tough on liberal. I'm tough on progressive. I think we're supposed to be the party of working people and we're supposed to be inclusive more supposed to be you know all these great things and sometimes we're just not because we get triggered by these people and we get smaller than we should and i think that our our fight is to never become what we're fighting to not beat what we're fighting and not assume things about what we're fighting until we investigate and that is a very high standard but it's my standard so i don't wanna become them. I don't wanna become orange. I don't wanna become a left version of orange politics I want to You know i. I still think michelle obama's right when they go low. We go hi and we went to elections with that and and lost one not doing that. By the way hillary clinton was not the warm fuzzy and i just you know so i i will. I will be tougher on us. And i think most liberals want me. I think you should be tough on us. There's a lot to be tough about. But how do i find that common ground which is so much of what you're talking about When we feel that they are either racist or accepting of racist people and or racist ideas in their party. that's a very bad very bad thing and i don't think it's the only thing in other words up this way. I think the republican party has not has tolerated at worst tolerated and it's timed encouraged racial bigotry and sexism and xenophobia of knac- horrible stuff And i don't think we should give an inch on that. I i've i've fight as hard on for muslims and for native american. The for blackbutt me. I'm i fought libraries and fighting on all that stuff And i also think that there are areas of common ground where we don't have to agree on all that stuff but we but for instance on this addiction crisis on criminal justice on jobs for our kids to the teacher there is common ground. and so. here's my thing they are wrong. We should fight them very hard as i do where we disagree. We should fight molly. Point is in a way that where we actually agree. We can get something done. So for instance. I mean just. I'm not asking people do. I don't do and this is something i think is very important. Anybody's still listen to this. Podcast now must really care about this conversation. So let me let me. Just let me just say this. Don't forget when the tea party. I read its head and came. After barack obama in what was clearly a racially fueled backlash. And who do they go after. Acorn and van jones Okay i'm not new to this thing. Everybody's freaking out about now. People freaking out. Oh my god. There's racist in american politics and they're mean and you're telling van jones this. I'm the person getting this telegram. Okay look guys match. That was struck to burn down. America was struck off my forehead right. Okay they i was the first domino to fall acorn went down in the heat and then they got worse from there and bigger from there and took over the congress and elected donald trump. Not needs to let to tell me about this. But i had two long before others make a decision about who i was gonna be in the face of that when i put all my stuff in that cardboard box and walked out of the white house. It had a turn in that battle telling you about. I had to make a choice. Was i going to be bitter or better. And and everybody else was still on the obama high and this type of stuff and we're passing healthcare and everything's great. I wasn't. I was alone on a couch. I was in therapy. I was clinically depressed. Okay so it's so weird to me to have. These people are racist in maine. Oh jeez man. I already paid my ten. Yeah look listen you know. Eight years ago. I was number enlisted in for two years after i left. The white house does not forget. I was mentioned and referred to on fox news on a weekly basis as the number one voodoo doll for them to poke pins in because at that time obama was still partly for them to go after him directly so we had to go after me and bill ayers and rev ride acorn van jones all sorts of stuff. And so i'm just. I'm just maybe a few steps ahead and a process. I'm not going to let them turn me into something. I'm not i'm not gonna do it. I am not a hateful person. I am not going to be tricked into hating. You know white people rich or poor who had been suckered into whatever bigotry. They're held onto for their security blanket. That's not the best who they are. That's who they're short as right now. I'm gonna fight you. But i'm not going to become them and having made that decision it was a hard comeback. It had been very easy for me. To have put out a book called whitelash you know. Fuck donald trump. It'd be best today. It would had no words in it just the cover by itself. I would made millions. Nobody's even open the look literally pages. I read it cover to like that. Have been the easiest thing to do. I put out a book that was you know not that book. It was trying to figure out. You know away through this thing where you're tough on your opponents where we were they're wrong. You're also willing to be reflective on us where we could do better and you're trying to figure out even if nobody changes their position. What could what. Could you get done for the country anyway. And i had to do that because had i not i would have been a bitter angry person. I'd been bitter with with with with the whole country. I don't wanna become that. And i just invite other people who frankly have had less of a rough time it going. Let me say one more thing about that story. How seriously. I take this never talked about. Nobody ever asked me about this. When i left the white house the people who paid for the smear campaign saying i was nine eleven truth er and you know a racist and a communist all sorts of stuff. Martha's when i was in my twenties proud of it. But i i was totally nuts But the people who paid for that smear campaign coke industries gave my something called americans for prosperity. Afp who then took the took their nonsense to fox and that became a whole deal. Who do i work with on a regular basis right now to close prisons coke industries. Because even though i fight them on their environmental destroy the earth policies and i fight them on their anti-democratic one dollar one vote. Parties their libertarian. It's actually agree with me. On criminal justice actually think we got too many laws got too much power like up to any people. So i work with coke industries and mark holden on a regular basis to close prisons. Even though i fight them on everything else you know why. Because i've never gone into a prison and met somebody who said van. Please get me out of prison. But don't don't work with any republicans right. Please whatever you do right like the most important thing is to maintain your liberal purity and talk about how much you hate republicans please. For god's sake don't work with them to get out of here. I've never met anybody with a real problem. Who thought these kinds of of food fights among elites were as important as we do and so. Listen i'm willing to have people sort of alexander boss equivalent. Tom who doesn't really understand racism. I'll put up with that from liberals and progressives. Because i think at the end of the day the pathway forward where we actually get a chance not only win election but also govern got win the election and then govern looks and sounds a lot more like how i'm sounding than some of the reactions. Were having right now to trump. I wanna go a little bit deeper in to what you started to talk about their in two thousand nine. Leave the white house. Turn in that beloved badge. You're depressed. you're doing therapy. You're doing lots of things to try to pick yourself back up and so just personally. How did you pick yourself back up from that low and get back to being your best self. It was not easy and took years. i mean that was a scalding. I mean just a devastating emotionally devastating thing because again. I'm the good kid you know the kind of nerdy you'll do good or kid And i felt like i kind of Thought like an easter egg that was painted on the outside but was hollow inside and so when that chess came i just was smushed. There was nothing inside of myself. That had the resilience. I had my resume. I had my good grades. Had my good intentions. I had my awards and honors but once you pierce that when you see people get torn apart on national media and we also back and laugh. I never laugh. I've been that person. Here's what it feels like. It feels like somebody's taking your face at torn it off and stapled some ugly face on some other face. That's only this one mistake you made or this one thing you said or this one downfall and until that happens. You're mostly known your peers even at you know. Msnbc cnn you know the people that they know you they seen you in certain contexts in your good days and your bad days when you become the center as i was of a global international news story where you're the you're the terrible bad higher embarrassment to the administration. Suddenly the number people who know you goes up by multiple zeros but they only know you in a bad way and you're looking at yourself on tv. And i would fire that guy. I mean what kind of a horrible person. But it's you so your whole identity and everything that you are been stripped away and replaced with a cartoon. The you didn't drop off you have to live with that and it doesn't change the next day or the next day or the next day. It doesn't change for a long time when you go through something like that. Just to get out of bed is very hard jesse. Trying stand up in front of a crowd and give a speech with you all the time and now do all the time takes days of kind of just getting yourself ready to be able just to do that and try to keep up with good outer appearance to come back from the kind of asking that i took for like one bad day in the press. Oh yeah go fuck your includes this week on one day one bad day in the press when when when when when the camera doesn't move off to the next story and it's your life and you have to come back from that. It's very very hard. And so i think i do again. It comes so when. I'm sitting there. And i'm listening to a to a jeffrey lord or somebody else. I've had to make my peace with the fact that we live in a country that has people like that in it and i had a revelation in my own mind i talk about thought about the obamas and i thought about how badly as i was treated. they were treated very badly as well. And there's a timing especially when they first got there. You couldn't go on the washington post online without seeing in the comments section in word inward inward inward inward about them. But what i noticed about the obamas is that they fought for a healthcare bill and that healthcare bill was designed had the republican governors. Let it happen with designed to get doctors to babies in red states where the parents will call them nigger every day. I thought about that. I'm the homeless second here. The obamas getting called in words in apes and monkeys and michelle called everything in the world but they got up every day and they really did try to help everybody regardless because for them. It was more important. I said how can i be an obama ex staffer. Two thousand eight hoping changer in comeback and basically let their opponents win let the style of their opponents win let the nastiness of their opponents win and lead their dignity in their grace nobility actually lose. I'm not gonna do that. I'm a part of something. I'm a part of something. And i'm going to continue to fight for it and i'm listen. Donald trump could run the white house. He's not gonna run. My house is i've got to remind my show. I'm going to be who. I was as best i can and i think that over time you know once we get back a little bit of power we get some is governorships. We'd get the house back. Hopefully the senate or whatever overtime we'll come back to ourselves and that grace and dignity in that in that way of being i think will become more popular right now. It's not but i. I'm not gonna let it go. So it was the grace and dignity of the obamas as people that helped you as a sort of north out of your depression. it's a reference point mandela is a reference point mandela was in my dad was no dr king mandela uncomfortable was his way the armed wing and yes. Let's make mandela's gandhi figure. Madonna was imprisoned because he would lead an army But when he when he came out he kept his army in d. Refused to disband. Come with his way But he said listen. We're all gonna be here. We're all going to be here. We're not going to drive the white man's of the sea and we're all gonna be here so we need as much power we could possibly get. We're going to try. Get every vote that we can. We're gonna form the you know we're we're not screwing around here is real contest for power. But i'm gonna conduct myself in a way that they believe it or not the people who support me know when we govern we're going to govern for everybody and that's what's missing both parties. This is not a false equivalent. it's ninety percent them and ten percent us but we're guilty of it too. We don't conduct ourselves as if we want to govern for everybody. Is that the coal mining with black lung disease. Who spent thirty years in a mine. Trying to keep the lights turned on for americans who voted for trump and doesn't like black people and scared. Muslims counts to that. I want that person. Yes with now. Changing their vote or changing their mind to have a dignified and decent life. And i'll fight alongside them or even against them to get them that that's who we are. That's what makes us the left. The progressives not just a bunch of interest group complainers but people who deserve to govern a country. And so you know that's for me the dignity of the obamas the grace of mandela the incredible spiritual achievements of dr king and l. joe baker amputee lou. Hamer that's our tradition. And just not gonna trump take away from me so deepening on this question in this moment because it seems that several moments in your life you have to step back and you've said i don't like the way things are going i need to make a change and that's really hard and then you went out and did it. How do you change your life not easily are well and not in a linear way you know to the waiver relying with lots of backsliding. And you know it's not it's not an easy thing to do But i think honestly becoming a dad was. It was a big deal. Listen i'm a spiritual person i meditate. I pray i've gone to buddhism hinduism Landmark forum Hoffman institute i mean. There's no self help self improvement thing. I have at least tried. I've never tried drugs or alcohol but But there's nothing like that. I haven't at least tried because You know the end of the day. I you learn very quickly quickly as a grassroots organizer the limit of your campaign and the limit of your ability to do good is never your opponent. it's always you it's your ego is your attitude is your procrastination. It's your lack of self organization is your lack of skill. That's your lack contacts. You're always the the the limiting factor on what people can accomplish. And so you have to work on yourself as a guy named robert gas who has a program that a bunch of progressive have gone through That you know really helps you. Hold that mirror up so listen. I'm tougher on myself. That i am on progressives. I'm tougher on progressives am on conservative Because at the end of the day. I want our conservative sisters and brothers to be in opposition. I want us to be in government. I want them in opposition. But not oblivion i don. I don't want them. I don't have this fantasy that they would all just be like us or leave the country america would be so much better. We actually at the end of the day need each other now. I want to govern. I don't want them to govern. I want us to government but we need that back and forth. Those checks knows balances those those those. I wish they were more principle than more consistent. They're they're not functioning as a consistent party. Now i haven't been for a while and even you know like our friend. Se cup would say in some ways. The party has left her. You know and it's to the right of her and You know abby. Huntsman says the same thing a lot of republicans are saying the same thing. They're party sucks in our party. Sucks like i. Don't i mean i mean seriously by. They suck at different ways. Yeah but that's fine. But i just think that we. I think that. I think we hold onto that teddy bear to hot too hard. Yes they suck it away. That's really sucky and we talking to with less sucky okay. But i wouldn't accept that for my kids that that's really bad. Yeah so what's your superpower. I think i think i have probably way too much empathy. You know i i. I understand last time. I went to jail. I wasn't marching. When black lives matter and oakland. I went to jail margin with coal miners. Who are getting their healthcare and pension stolen by coal companies and And i stood stood by him and we fought and we actually got the only healthcare victory. Last year you know was meaningful. We got twenty thousand. Coal miners their healthcare benefits back. You know ngos working with the coal miners unions and a bunch of republicans. My staff was so concerned about how that would quote unquote look that dream. Chord never sent out a press release announcing the victory because they thought that the left would come down on me so hard for helping trump voters. And i said to myself i would rather we're supposed to this. This'll be ardiles liberals somebody who voted for trump therefore they should die of black lung disease. I mean that doesn't make sense and but that bit we trying to protect me. Beautiful colleagues of the dream core never announced this huge victory that we got for those coal miners. Was i love myself enough. That i know how to protect myself emotionally and otherwise when i deal with people who don't agree with that's the first thing i love yourself i otherwise you could be abuse you don't wanna be somebody love other people hate yourself. You want an abusive situation. I love myself enough. That i can protect myself but i i love other people that understand other people enough that when i'm in the neighborhood and there's some kid some black kid who's cussing out everybody who's being terrible. I see more than just that. I see more than just that. Now i gotta deal with the kids being terrible. But i see more than just that or when i'm in appalachia it i'm dealing with some you know in. Ra trump person. Who is you know. Probably a bigot. I had to deal with that. But i see more than that. I also see somebody who's worked hard to whole life and they don't know why they didn't wound up where they want to be. I'll see somebody who's got skills that i don't have who's done things for their community that matter and i think it gives me the ability to to to to show a least a level of respect even in disagreement that i think can be useful what is your most instructive failure. I have so many now. I mean. I mean i've tried so many things just didn't work out. I mean is there a failure. The failure i'm driving toward is the one that you learned the most from and you grew the most from look i think The whole process of of shooting from a well known local guy in oakland. I mean everybody. The bay area was political. Knew who i was. You know ten years ago but oakland three hundred thousand people in a country through two million Suddenly you know this little program. We're doing to get kids. Trained to put up. Solar panels becomes hot thing. Boom i mind. Stephen colbert and i've got a bestseller and i'm in the white house and that whole quick elevation i mean from grassroots to the white house in like nine months and then six months later out that incredible rise and then really big crash recovering from that and trying to learn from that is is the source of who i am now. I mean i left the country at princeton. Just get out of the country. I left the country. I got to. Jerusalem landed tel aviv. A car went to the old city. Walk through the gates of the also into rousselin. This is like two weeks after the white house. Maybe a month and a guy wasserman goes your van. Jones and i look around in the old city. Jerusalem their satellite dishes all over. I'm a global news story. That's that process was so mind blowing That you know. I wouldn't wish it on anybody because it was incredibly painful but it does mean once you come back from that You know you're just you're just able you're capable is like listen if right now jeff. Call me and said look bam. This show is stupid and we don't want anymore and get out of here I turn in my card. I would feel very very badly. But i would also know how to get myself back to some useful place in america and so i don't walk in fear of. Hey this ends tomorrow. Well tomorrow we will end You know what about your ratings. What about this. What about that. If you never get another another big big booking run out all these people worry about. I've already come to peace is a very tough world a lot of mean people. You can only Do your best and try to help somebody. And at the end of the day even the obamas weren't able to do what i mean the obamas are the best ever gonna see and they weren't able to get the country where they wanted it. So as a pundit. There's only so much you can do when you're going through that that that dark night of the soul in nine in two thousand ten did barack or michelle. Call you or reach out to you know and it. It wouldn't have been appropriate. It's very hard people understand that building. An hour in that building is like a day. day in that buildings like a week a week is a lifetime. The the level of stress and pressure is unbelievable. And i was at the lowest guy totem pole. There they built. Oh the green jobs are whatever like i was just like a regular staff person with small assignment and i couldn't i mean it was overwhelming and so listen when you fall on your sword. They didn't fire me. I quit we fall on your sword. You know didn't jump up and go al and give me a cookie and abandoned and pat me on the head. You do that because you wanted to be able to move forward and you want to be able to move forward clean way And so now but at the same time to hurt you know to kind of watch the parade go on without you man. I mean In wish it on my worst enemy last thing because we do a lot about prince on this show and you had a deep and meaningful personal relationship So just inter. Personally what was he like you the worst best friend. You could ever have terrible terrible terrible when good things happen to you. He never call. He never said shit you like. I know he knows like this thing happened. That thing happened. I got written up here. I got a profile there. He's on the internet all the time i know he knows. Cadaver calls something bad happens. He's right there right there. And that's why i say is the worst best friend like as long as things are going well for you he's just monitoring from afar doesn't doesn't care. I got when i when when the crossbar when i got crossfire no comment when they cancelled the show. And you come to paisley. So that's the kind of guy that he was. He he he when oprah when when when own was kind of on looks like it's gonna be wobbly legs he said. Look we're not gonna let her fail if they keep trying to push down. I'm going to get every black celebrity. I can't just boycott all the other stations for two months and only do interviews with her until she's alright now because he wants to you know an investment or a piece of the stock or this or that. I wanted credit. She's got a win. she's got to win. And that you know with jay. Jay z offered him a big piece of title. When you first started streaming service. Madonna bunch went to prince refused to take the money. Let me refuse to take the to be part of it on a financial level. All of us go on could not like what are you doing. This is crazy not not not not gonna do that do that. Then when it looked like title was having problems he said. I want to take all my stuff off of every other service and put on title. He can't lose. And so. I finally asked us do you now. You're trying to help this show but when you could make some money. He said no. I always wanted to be able to own my own. Content ama- own distribution. This is the first black artist that's able to do that. I don't want his money. i want him to win. Okay he was so free so beyond press look like a solo person looking at a drunk person halftime still really on this better united and so it was a lot of that and so i wouldn't have made it without him. I wouldn't have made it sometimes. You just need somebody to to care about him when you're dow when the world's walking away from you when nobody cares when you're finished when you're a joke when you're a punchline and he was at guy so when you walked out of the white house then then he called yeah yeah and what did he say he said. You should come to easily exactly what he said. He said Van you're the most controversial person in the world right now and i said yeah for better for worse he says i think much for the better. He said what you've come to paisley. I wanted to paisley and You know he just he just understood. I mean the thing about princeton people. I don't drive me crazy. So he was a musical genius musical genius. Look a lot of people. Compare play the piano or play a lot of instruments. He had a genius for people Hit a genius for humanity. That was so profound. It can only be expressed musically. That's but when you got you stayed with him many times and the thing about most concerts you're in the audience. All you see is the back of people's heads their cell phones and the artist. I got a chance to be stage. He would put us you know. Put a couch onstage. And then there so mesmerized by him they look look at the state and you have a couch with his friends so he put a couch on stage. We'd be onstage with prince. And so i got chance to see the world the way he saw it looking at the faces of people not the back of their head every color every gender the every age the punk people the old eighties crew the young kids black kids hip hop all humanity and he hit one court and they were right here so he knew. That must've have stuff was not divisive people right here. Love black people to unashamed like black people black culture proud of that but offered up in a way that united the whole world people listen to albums at republican weddings and democratic weddings. One red one blue purple so that whole process of being kind of rob into his batman. You know what i mean like. He was symbionese missions. And stuff looking. I'm concerned about this community. That community i go out and stuff when you have that kind of backup. Robert ain't got no powers probably wait around underwear he as supposed to be embedded in the dc universe. Why here but we know. You've got batman behind you. It's like you can only keep me tied up in his basement for so long before the door go get kicked in and so it celebrated my healing celebrate my ability to kind of find my way forward and to nominate will tell you the same thing a lot of us who around the soak. All the last camp of prints But you know. I i think about him every day. I try to do well by him. Too then is so inspirational. He's a sorta guy. You wanna listen to on tv and hang with at the bar after the tv and tell your kids especially your little boys. That's the kind of guy you wanna be like. And i love van comeback story people who get knocked down ten times and get up. Eleven are the toughest kind of people. They're my kind of people that van for your time. Thanks to you for listening. We're giving you fuel to power your dreams because you can use your dreams like a rocket ship to blast you into a life you never imagine you can make your dreams a reality. I hope this show could help you on twitter at tora and on instagram at torrey show stop by and say hi and subscribe rate and review. And tell a friend who you think will like. The show ratio is written by me tori and produced by chris colbert and matt ford with help from shelby. Royston and william jolly and in association with kate and thirteenth studios will be back next wednesday with more knowledge from amazing folks. 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New Music Friday: Jan. 22

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New Music Friday: Jan. 22

"This message comes from. Npr sponsor nerdwallet. They bring together the smartest credit cards mortgage lenders and more so you can compare and shop all in one place. For all your money questions turned to the nerds. Nerdwallet dot com gunsmoke. Grey's anatomy choose me. Game of thrones. You know nothing jon snow. None of these shows would exist without one guy and his very famous white dizzy or nasr inventor television as we know it on. Npr's planet money. Podcast happy friday. Everyone from npr music in all songs considered. I'm robin hilton. i'm here with. Wsvn's john morrison. Hey john hey over over. It is new music friday. And we're looking at the best albums out now on january twenty second. There's a new one from rye and a surprise released from the band typhoon but we start with a group called thirteen and their debut album at magnificient. Day for an exorcist. Betamax start for the last of the mcmanus. The way he was never from an upper class of the season they mocked him. The best of breed is over now. I've got something sane. Let's see who listen. I've got a magic trick. Say listen yada. Magic trick took hit him up. Cinema cinema pin. I'm up against the back in the my never really been in that position reno. The minimum amount of venom and breath. And that's amazing. Yeah thirteen is the band. The album is a magnificent day for an exorcism and this incredible song is called the magician. This is a new group. Fronted by the rapper. Fairmont is probably best known to some for a hit that he had back in nineteen ninety nine called. simon says john. This is as i said a new project from him. This is their debut album. What's he doing with this one yet. This is really interesting like you said. A foul much celebrated veteran. Mc and as he displays you know all over this record probably technically the greatest rap virtuoso living on the planet right now and he's joined by a marcus machado on guitar and daru jones the drummer. Who's you know. Probably best known for playing with jack white but he's also a very dope hip hop producer and his own right and in. It's really you know in the vein of bands like living colour may be led zeppelin that sort of thing. But it's like farrell march like a dig in and spitting over top of you know really a musical environment that we haven't seen him occupied before. Yeah i thought of living color. A lot and yamaichi such an unbelievable lyricist. I kept making notes as i was listening to it. There's a song called amnesia where he rhymes nostalgia with fibromyalgia. And then there's a a it makes total sense and then he's got another one where he rhymes trysts guy deca phobia with trapeze. Ius nova scotia yet. Farrell has always kind of had this over the top fire and brimstone almost like preacher type energy in thematically he's dealing with politics and white supremacy racism. There's a song on here called racist this kind of like an update of organized confusion song hate where farrell and his partner prince. Po run from the perspective of a neo. Nazi so racist. Kind of flip stat concept in revisits it again. You mentioned fire and brimstone. I found a lot of this record to be very creepy but in a supernatural way you know i mentioned the the line where he where he says triska deca phobia which is the irrational fear of the number thirteen. But then there's another another song called six six and then on one called the exorcist and this is all some sort of as you say. Fire and brimstone metaphor for the collective sins of society particularly as you say the the country's long history of racism. There's a lot going on here. And it's cool to see someone who's been around for so long as pharaoh has leading up a project that's so different from the rest of his music and that new project is called thirteen their debut album and magnificent day for an exorcism. Thanks so much john. Thank you robin. I appreciate it and from thirteen. Let's go next to the electronic artist yu-su she's got a new one called yellow river. Blue this is you sue the artist. You sue her. New one is yellow river. Blue in the song we're hearing from. It is called klein and here for this. One is npr music contributor christina league. Hey christina hi robin. I cannot tell you how many times i discover an artist. Who's completely new to me. Only to find out basically everyone certainly on the air music team and extended families already fan. And that's what happened with youtube. Multiple people hit me up this week. Saying you've gotta talk about the new record from you. Sue so tell us who is used to in which you're loving about this new yellow river blue so you so it was really interesting trae. She's originally from kaifeng china but she moved to vancouver and effectively launched her music career around twenty fourteen. You know she moves vancouver she discovers this really exciting left field electronic seen With the likes of pender street steppers. And the before you know it you know. As she gained notoriety as an artist herself she finds herself touring mainland china only to discover that there is just as exciting of a mainland electronica scene there. And so this particular. Gilbert blue is very much in conversation with that. It's hard for me to put her music any specific time. There's a song called melaleuca. The it almost has this yawn hammer of feel to it. You know very eighties and then another one called touch me. Not this more of an are peggie. It'd tangerine dream. Feel you know. And i feel like that certainly on purpose. One of the touchstones that i read about was andrew jackson's mister heartbreak in particular and that particular example of that russia. I'm sorry i love that. Much i never. I never hear anybody named check that record. That's so cool. Yeah and so. That's really exciting right. Because i don't know if you remember. But there was some japanese instrumentation that was sampled on that record. And that's what a lot of musicians were calling. Cancer like fourth world ambience. Where essentially you're Incorporating all these like sort of quote unquote old world. Sounds with like these electron touchstones and so this particular album definitely builds upon that and i think that's what makes it so exciting she does nice sort of sleight of hand in these songs. Where it seems pretty sparing you kind of drift away with them and then when you suddenly snap back the whole song is completely blown up. And they're all these different layers swimming in and out yes. She is like a really intricate producer. In that sense. I found that throughout the album. I was in some state between like feeling totally that it's like nervous excitement. I think this album is the epitome a sort of like nervous excitement where there is sort a lot of going on a lot that can catch your attention if you're paying close attention to it but the way that i think those sounds are sort of like invalid. Has you feeling very present. Let's say you sue as the artists. That's why you and the su record is called yellow river blue and let's do something completely different and go to the rapper b. r. s cash. His new and his called cash only dorothy. Dorothy nickel worked some michael. Michael works some michael luck with. Don't don't talks at the back door to door. Pipe aka working papa. Gilady working golden safe the us on the golden teaching dorothy dork. Dorothy this is the rapper. Be r. s cash cash with a k. His record is called cash. Only the song we're hearing from it is call do it. So like a lot of atlanta rap superstars robin bureaus caches lived a couple of different lives. I e like when the dude was eighteen he was signed to a completely different label. headed by travis porter. Who's kind of like a land robbery. Alty in their own right but you know it just so happened that this time around. He manages to strike ahead of something. That's kind of a lark and that would be the song and i'm so sorry throat baby. Go baby yeah. That song super descriptive. Yeah you could. You could say that you know what's so funny too. Is that pretty much once. Inked his current record deal which is with love renaissance and interscope starts to take off on tiktok. But what's funny. Is that these particular influencers. They even seem to be a little sheepish to dance lawn to this song in particular specifically because of how explicit is. It's like they're doing all the moves but then they have this look on their faces just like oh what am i doing. Well i mean this whole album is is kind of over the top explicit and there's so much sex in it and it's interesting because you know when i when i listened to music very often. I'm trying to tease out. What's real from the persona you know. And i wasn't sure what to make of him or a lot of the cuts on this record. But i read an interview. He did with deejay booth where he said he was actually reluctant to release throat baby because in his mind he was just joking around when you when you wrote it right. And he and he was actually worried that people would take. It's wrong way. Yeah ri- right and apparently the story behind. That song is even more explicit than the lyrics lead on right. I've never heard that from rapper. That they're actually trying to hide something and make something seem less excited than it actually is but i think regardless i mean this is in part of the atlanta rap tradition right like i'm thinking of throat baby s sort of like the modern version of love your mouth which for those who don't know is by keila lee and atlanta rap pioneer from before even at times so lake to me like that song very much is in tradition with that which is interesting because i think over the past couple years from the men i would say like me and my friends and i've been wondering where are the sexually explicit rappers. The women have no problem giving the ikea directions of what they want. But somehow the men have been very shy. There seems to be some change going on. Well i found the album overall to be pretty irresistible hooky and it is so hokey just like right out the gate. Yeah he understands that people love bounce music like you can tell that he up listening to juvenile but he also has like a real clear sense. That atlanta's really into that sort of melodic hook rap. There's there's a lot for people to like on here. B. r. s. cash is the rapper. His debut album is called cash only and christina. Let's do one more before. I let you go. It's from another rapper. New york rapper. This is romy banks. His new one is called the phantom of herod ice this splinter in fees fish slightest second night once hit night is kicking the dust on nigga no force jersey knows are the days twenty seven next on live my father would age gotta pasha say saint face only difference s second. My college shane on me for glass. Got past twenty-five off the plane. Any kid play on my mind. I don't mind peace key selling piece in mind. It ain't nobody else. God this is romy banks. The rapper rimi banks is new. And it's called the phantom of paradise. This cut is called tomorrow and christina. He sort of like the complete opposite of r. s. cash right. You know what. I mean like cash this outsized personality and i think the music to go along with it and everything about remmy. Banks is more restrained and introspective. I think this album is particularly interesting. I think part of that introspection comes from the fact that whether with his crew world's fair or just on his own like he's always sort of been hell bent on bringing past image of new york back into the right right before. Like new york rap started to become hip again. You know he and world's fair we're really trying to evoke like that feeling that you have when you listen to wu tang for the first time or nas for the first time they were basically saying new york wrapping dead yet and i think that's part of where that introspective feeling comes from well. I love the restraint in. And i think that's what i like most about this record. It's very spare. And i think it's also unexpected in that way too because i think when you're engaging in newark rap nostalgia it's very to expect like those boom bap drums to not that those don't show up on here they do show up but I think by sort of paring back down on the percussion in made sort of like this whole nostalgia. Trip seem all the more dream right. It kinda gave it like this quality that i haven't really heard In new york rap previously interesting. There's a song called dreaming to where i thought he was bragging about all his accomplishments and then of course i realized you know maybe the name of the song was the first clue that he's you know. He's daydreaming about how he wishes his life. Was you know an and apart from wishing that he was a millionaire which okay sure we all do. His dreams are all like he. He wishes he owns his own place. You know that he that he put his siblings through college. That is families living comfortably right right and you can only just hope that all that is sort of within his grasp although as the album's were too proceeds it gets harder and harder to tell whether that can actually come true for him or a good one from remmy banks. His second solo effort called the phantom of paradise. Thanks so much cristina. Thanks for having me. We still have a few more albums that we wanna play for this week's new music friday but first we need to take a short break and we'll be right back support for npr and the following message come from better. Help offering online counseling. That help therapist has you. Joe explains the importance of creating a safe space for therapy. I can't tell you how many times i've had clients that. Say that expression like. I've never told that to anybody. That's what i know. I've made some kind of momentous move with this person. They feel safe enough to expose that part of themselves and doing that together with somebody else can be very powerful to get matched with a counselor within forty eight hours and save ten percent. Go to better help dot com slash songs. It's new music. Friday from and all songs considered. I'm robin hilton. And we're doing a quick run through the best albums on january twenty second we start the second half of the show off with the band. Ri- they're back with a new one called home town this. This is the ban. Rai their new one is called home in the song we're hearing from his called black rain and npr. Music stephen thompson reporting back from his fortified pillow. Fort for this one stephen. You've been missed. It's great to be back i have. I have missed not you exactly the show for sure. Oh yeah well. The show has missed you too. So ri- the forecast is always steamy. When it comes to ri- from and mike neil oc- man that dude. I just hallway through listening to this record has had he so smooth he really is. I mean you referred to rise a band and you know in the very beginning when riot got its first album woman. It was a duo and by the time rise. Second album blood came out in two thousand eighteen. It was really basically a solo project for mike milosz and this record is the same but it is a very fully fleshed out vision. It's very big blooming sound and he found ways to work with collaborators including the danish national girls choir. So you have this. Really rich. And seductive record that i think will really appeal to people who like kinda. I hooked into this band in two thousand thirteen. You mentioned the danish national girls choir. They are heard on a song. Called a intro. The first song ins the record with true. I wanna play a little bit of the intro. So that people can hear what they sound like and it's just gorgeous But when i heard this at the top of the record i thought you know it really suggested a totally different kind of album than the one that was on the way which ended up being pretty disco in parts but the more i thought about it. I thought you know this is. This is apt for mike milosz. Because there's sort of a divinity and spirituality in in the love that he kinda ties in with the rest of this record well. I think those book ends really are tone setters. And they're setting a tone of lustrous nece and warmth that i think is consistent even with the soft disco of a song like black rain the kind of string infused bop that you get with the song coming closer. I think i think those songs really are all of a piece. Right is the artist record is called home and stephen. Let's do one more. It's a surprise released this week. An unannounced record a brand new album from the band typhoon. It's called sympathetic. Magic did isn't turning a north dakota metastasized as a darkness as this is typhoon. The album is called sympathetic. Magic in the really incredible song is called empire builder. you know. it's only like four minutes long or something like that but it goes through so many changeups in just this one song. I wanna jump around here a little bit so here. There's a bit of this symphonic guitar rock and then here toward the end of the song Sounds like this. You know a a. Which is this fantastic group. Sing along you know about basically what everyone is feeling right now. Yeah the last words of that song empire builder. I wrote them down because they really struck me. Everybody's angry everybody's lonely. Maybe it's hopeless and maybe love is not enough. But let's not rule out the possibility. Yeah and that is typhoons kind of lyrical approach in a nutshell. Kind of throughout the band's career there's a real undercurrent of darkness to the point of almost like an apocalyptic quality to some of kyle morton's lyrics and at the same time there is this sense of celebration and joy really infused with this idea that our lives are finite and so we have to enjoy and appreciate them and find some sort of hope in spite of it all i love how just soaring and majestic the songs get which i i can't believe he made this isolation because it sounds like this massive group of people making this music together all in the same room but but i love how it never gets overblown. You know like. I think it'd be easy for music as conceptual as this and is driven by big ideas. Is this music is to take itself may be too seriously and it never does. It's always just pitch perfect typhoon. Is the band. The new album is called sympathetic. Magic all right. Stephen thompson thanks. I hope you're on again soon. Thank you robin arrived from the serene majesty of the band typhoon. Let's go next to pal. Berta the band pal berta. They've got a new one called pata five thousand down to close down stead Clothes back and word from people. This is the band halliburton. Their new album is called alberta five thousand. The song we're hearing from it is called fragile place an music's mercer larusso back for this one hamer's k. Robin so this is the band's fifth album and i have to admit i hadn't really listen to them before. I had no idea that they put out that much music but why i really love their sound. That's garage rock and punk in a little bit of new wave all mixed together. Yeah but it. Has this like delicious. Weirdness about it. The three members of the band. Everyone plays everything and everyone sing so like during a set after a couple songs. Everyone rotates bass guitar and drums and like picks up a new instrument and it really feels like the three people in the span. Just speak their own language there so tuned in with each other. They're just having so much fun and they have. This really frenetic exuberant kind of goofy energy. But then the melodies are so sharp and then they have those like super fun unique three part harmonies. They throw in there as well. Yeah you just hit on something. That i caught when i was listening to this really love. And that's this needle that they thread where they managed to sound like very thrown together but also very intentional ramshackle choreographed. Does that make totally. It feels like it's not that anything. They're playing is like super super technically advanced. But you also get the sense that no one else could be playing these songs the way that these three people play these songs and the lyrics lyrics to there's a there's a song called cow where they say. I will be there with my hand on your chest. I feel your rumbling internal mess. And i've never heard anyone refer to the anguish that someone's going through as a rumbling internal mess but it is so perfect. They really sneak in as profound moment. Yeah well the band is paul. Berta and their new is called pal. Berta five thousand. Love this record. Thanks so much marisa thank you. We've got one more album that we wanna play for this week's show but As always it's another busy release date and there are a few other notable albums in. Ap's out today that. I want to mention. And i'm going to go through these quickly but definitely check them out when you can. The irish electronic duo bicep. Bicep has a new out today called aisles also new electronic ep today from the australian artist known as logic one thousand. It's called you've got the whole night to go. The band karm a collaborative project from why music trumpeter. Cj cameraderie and a whole bunch of other artists including bone bears justin vernon karm self titled. Debut is out today. Bob boylan featured on all songs considered back in november eric the architect of the hip hop group. Flatbush zombies has a solo. Ep out today called future-proof there's also this really wonderful arresting new record from a band called the conductor. it's called spirit of a ghost and features bonnie prince billy on a couple of tracks sort of an experimental americana music really love spirit of a ghost from the conductor and as always we'll put songs from these releases and a whole bunch of other new tracks out this week and our new music friday playlists in apple music and spotify so do give listen to all of those all that music is out now on january twenty second along with this last album that we wanna play from the country singer willie jones. It's called right now. Young man young man the drive of a while young young man middle watch i still. You'll grandma doesn't win. He'll say for granted you would. He ran young man bruised. And you don't know what stand proud of brave and the free. Your mom in that. American boy is the american dream into one man on the braids. One one on deep in the streets but the dreams to meet one on foot same thing. This is willie jones. The artist willy jones. The album from him is called right now. In the song we're hearing from his called american dream and joining us from nashville for this one is npr music contributor and w xp editorial director. Julie hi julie. Hey willy jones. This is his debut album and He makes music that leaves you wondering what exactly it is. That is true that is true. He is a young black country pop artists from the deep south. And you know more than so many other artists in country pop who have attempted to lean heavily on hip hop. He just has an ease. And you know much deeper. I think understanding of how to use elements of it. Obviously there are tons of people. Making music over programmed. Beats in nashville. And that's been going on for years but he often will actually freestyle over a beat literally on the spot. Improvise a melody or lyrics. Vocal cadences whatever and that is different. You know that is a lot more like a hip hop or pop or r&b process and the thing that strikes me about listening to willie jones is i feel like instead of letting himself bear the burden of trying to quote unquote properly perform blackness by the standards of nashville or the country mainstream. You know and and properly in that context is to minimize blackness. If you are actually a black art. I mean minimize difference. You know minimize the specifics of identity. He seems very aware of it. But not inhibited by it or beholden to it lyrically. There's a lot of familiar territory here drinking too much partying too much and breaking hearts and being broke but then you take a song like american dream where it's also very patriotic as you expect so much country music to be for him confronting the country's troubled history and protesting for change that is inactive patriotism. Oh absolutely and there. Are there aligns where he's talking about the meaning and symbolism of the american flag. That just you know really land in a powerful way because he is clear that he is familiar with the lineage of patriotic songs in country music. And beyond it to you know. And he's making his he's making his contribution to it. Willie jones's the artist. His debut album is called right now. Thanks so much julie. you are. Welcome pleasure if you'd like to go back in here full versions of older songs we featured on this week's new music friday you can see and hear the fullest along with a bunch of other singles. That came out this week on our website. Go to npr dot org slash all songs. You can also listen to an apple music or spotify. Just open those absent search for. Npr's new music friday playlist and for npr music. I'm robin hilton. Stay strong everybody. Be well and treat yourself to lots of music.

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Is Country Musics Reckoning Finally Here?

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Is Country Musics Reckoning Finally Here?

"We're taking a look back at a time. When craig ferguson was britney spears's only defender lot of condor. We'll be behind an in front of the camera for a new network series and we're joined by elemen- abdul mahmoud to discuss the changing tides of country music. It's february ninth twenty twenty one friends. I'm casey rap. Stafford the buzzfeed daily. So today is impeachment part due to. I mean wild that we're back here again. I feel like it just makes sense that our first reality tv show president would have a second season picked up for impeach impeach. All busy call will be interesting. We will be watching for any a fund moments out of the trial but we are just like with his past presidency. Trying to pass but has happened with Exactly where like we're still dealing with it or watching but unfortunately so okay. So we need to talk about this video from craig ferguson refusing to make fun of britney spears way back in two thousand seven. It's being in the rounds again and for good reason for those who don't remember what he said that's refresh your memory and i starting to feel uncomfortable of making fun of these people and for me combination of settlement joy in it and should be attacking the powerful people attack on the politicians and the and the trumps and and the blue hearts van. We should be attacking the vulnerable people. And i think i'm gonna totally miyako but this is just for me. I think my name's being offer recently. I i i want to change. No britney spears jobs. This woman has two kids twenty five years old. He's a baby yourself. she's a baby. This video is resurfacing in part. Thanks the new york times documentary. Framing britney spears which we have feelings on and we'll be discussing at length in the future but it's so true it's never a good look to attack the vulnerable. And i think what i really like about the zach is like it's clear when you have your own personal gut check and you're like i feel icky about what's happening right now and i don't want to be a part of it. Yes and that's called like having a moral center. I think in so much about what. We're learning about britney spears and her treatment through in your documentary is a lot of us. Weren't thinking we're just like chasing the very quick high making a bad joke about someone going through something very serious and also the economy's that were built around exploiting her trauma and it's incredible to see that at least one person one man was like. Hey guys maybe we should make fun of the twenty five year old young person. Who's going through a lot right now. And it's sad that retrospectively we wish more people would have stepped in but at the time they didn't. It's really really sad. it truly is. Meanwhile condor is set to make her debut as an executive producer. You're hearing that right. The to all the boy star will be starring in an producing the new netflix's live action series. Boo bitch for netflix. The show is about a high school senior who after years of playing it safe decides to live epic life only to wake up the next morning and find out. She's now a ghost and of course the final movie based on jimmy To all the boys always and forever. We'll be live on that on friday which i am very excited for both of these things. I mean natural next step for condor to be a an executive producer And also wanna talk about because this is a may always be the season of jenny han. She's another book series called the summer. I turned pretty and that's being turned into a tv series. And she's writing the pilot. Which i think is so cool because i love what you know in the age of like hollywood wanting any ip that can get their hands on. It's really cool when you get to see the author of said. Ip gets be involved in the tv series or movies that it's being turned into have like that ownership. So i'm excited about that. Yeah i love the rise of the ginny han empire. I think she deserves. She has the range and more books than most people who just try to write. One book can ever do everything so she is a machine. We love to see it and it and it's also great because i think that they do with these books they do a great job with casting. It's like a really great place to just have a very diverse cast. You know this tv series can be anything we want it to be based on just like the heart of what johnny haunt gave us one hundred percent all right when we come back. We're talking to optima mood about the changing tides pension. Use it stated. At kohl's we've aleve strong communities start with healthy families. Healthy doesn't just mean health. 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We're going off the beaten path. A bit to talk about something is very about and that's country. Music is very passionate about it. Because it's my passions are derived from the fact that i am from nashville tennessee up around a lot of country music stories about country musicians that i will share for Drinking but i am a black person. And i grew up understanding to be black to not like country music and not understanding why people thought that because black people created country music in everyone on the black side of my family being an interracial person loved it so much some so excited to talk to to talk about hedge music today for many reasons. So you know. Unless you're a country music fad massive fan the figures around like zach. Just kidding this statement may sum up what you know about the genre. It's very white and very straight but in the past week two stories of surface that show that that could be changing your remember mortem wallin. He broke his covert protocol before appearing on. Snl will now. He's been caught using the n. Word vociferously while drunk which is both discussing and unsurprising but what has been surprising nationals response. It's giving hope that the industry may at least be willing to do the bare minimum to diversify their town make way for more artists of color. Oh and that other story. Is that tj osborne brothers. Osborne has come out making him. The first openly gay artists signed to a major record label. It's really so much to talk about. Which is why we're so glad. Our guest today is element of duma mood. He wrote the piece. If morgan wallin's racism won't bring a reckoning to country. What will mean. Thanks for joining us today. My pleasure having of course so this interview where we're breaking down some of the stereotypes surrounding country music. And i want to start out by pointing out that. You are not exactly stereotypical country music fan. Which i love. Thank you because i am from nashville and so much about other black people so talk to us about your own journey with country music right. I've been i think i'm gonna recent comer to country like i would say like my country it'd be started four or five years ago i a big of classic rock person and i'd never heard the byrds album sweetheart of the rodeo which is his album that incorporates a lot of country rock elements so that was kind of my gateway and i was like wait a minute. Do eilly country music. I listen to anything but country worldly prisoners. I would say that was people's first personality before we that was a personality for guilty of that personality but also guilty of eventually realizing. Oh god what an annoying personality and build your personality on the country's great it's wonderful music. You listen to it all the time so when we do look at this broad stereotype of what country music is we tend to think white so very white yes conservative and browley and kaieda raises so we maybe weren't so surprised when morgan wall in a big star was caught using racial slur. What was your initial reaction to that. It was a combination of checks out and also at the same time like that tyra. We were rooting for you gifts. Sorta like it was. It was both both worlds. Working is really good like his music is good the first album that he was a lot of fun to listen to really compelling sort of small town country music and then like he's been he's had a few run ins with bad pr in the last little while you'd be as my recall that story when he was on snl and so just before he was on us and now like he was caught violating their cogan protocols And then like two months later he was back on snl. Because i don't know the country. Marketing machine is strong and does not take no for an answer and so like you could get the sense that like country music was not gonna give up on someone like morgan wallin ever going give up on someone with jeans tight it would just it just never would happen and so like when that when this story broke i was like okay. You have the number one album in america for three weeks in a row like like you might be a little racist. Like don't fuck up. The bag is bad. How could you possibly fumble. The bag was badly so yeah disappointment but not. I don't think anyone was shocked. I don't think a lot of people like yeah this. This feels like a morgan. Wellness thing did it. Okay so like you said. Though that the country music machine is strong so what was the response from the music stray also the first time that he made that mistake like a lot of rallying around him to get him back up to the place where he was going to be because he was on the verge of this breakthrough the came out and he was indeed the as big a moment as we thought it was gonna be this time around. The response was swift kind of in the other direction. So i'm very quickly his booking agent drop them a bunch of radio station. Said we're gonna take off radio which is like a really big deal in country like it's a big deal in general but in country music specifically like radio so central to someone's rise so that was a huge indication that no he fucked up really badly this time around he also got pulled off the curated playlist on spotify curious on apple. The industry selves sort of move quickly to distance themselves from him. That was that was industry response but debate effect streams affected sales. No they went up by one thousand percent and this is like twelve hundred percent. I don't know why undersold that. They're twelve hundred percent. Which is a stunning number. When you already begin to realize that like this is a guy at the top of the charts and has been at the top of the charts for the last three weeks. Already it's wild and you bring up the industry. Because i want to go there because in your piece you talk a lot about how black country artists are treated by this industry industry. I grew up in the shadow of in natural lick. It is a very powerful industry as you've already talked about. Snl stuff so you know when people think about black country musicians always talk about darius rucker as the example which is hilarious because there's record was already famous based on the same type already loved him. This is not a good example so anyway do you talk about this. Why is it that. He's the only example we have. And how industry just really blocking black people from thriving in the industry well dairies. First of all. I can't badmouth areas. I love that man but also at the same time everytime industry has someone to point to the like well dairies. We got one. And it's like yeah. You can have more though. I think like it's a particular recurring embarrassment of country music. They seem to make room for like one black artist at a time. It's sorta like how in the nineties about like women in hip hop that he could have won one. Rapper treat as a treat. Women can have one as a treat and it's like black people can have one as a treat for the longest time it was darius rucker and so it's particularly frustrating right now because we're in this moment of like incredible renaissance of black artists country. There's so many amazing artists are doing. Great work and the industries does not support the biggest example. This is mickey. Mickey guyton has been signed to a major label for years and years. She has never put out a country album because for the longest time. There was like this question like should we position her as a country artist should be position her as an artist. And she's like y'all a country artist. I assume she said y'all is young for sure for sure said and so after she put out an asong during the black lives matter uprising. Last year called me beautiful song. That's on started charting. It got nominated for country. Grammy which is significant. Because now it's kind of like this kind of embarrassing moment for the industry where you have mickey guyton who has been nominated for country. Grammy without ever putting a country album like they just like never supported her and now she's nominated for a grammy in the category. Still having not gone the support. She deserves from that industry. She's finally now starting to get pushpa like it's not there okay. So on the other hand there was another big seemingly very positive moment and country music last week he jay of the brothers osborne came out. He's the first openly. Gay artists signed to a major country label. What is the reaction to that. That like so. I really positive so. Tj has a lot of support and like first of all the brothers. Osborne are amazing. And i love him so much and i was so happy to see that story and the support that dj gets because like he is becoming. The first is a huge deal but also having your other artists rally around. You is an even bigger deal so like seeing people like mary. Morris seen people like casey most graves tweeting. Just like really excited about this moment tells you loic country's changing but it's changing slowly and it continues to change slowly. That's the frustration. I think there's a misconception that countries like this dairy backwards looking institution with nobody in there being frustrated by this but like the fact that even having these conversations even indication that barrel of people pushing for change getting sorta stonewalled over and over again. Have you heard of any radio. Stations like holing his music or anything. 'cause i know in the past reduce they should have told songs with gala exhibit. I haven't seen that yet. That's positive that it is but also like it's not like the brothers osborne new. You know what. I mean like this massive bestselling artists. So like they're instantly the safety their country that amazing blog but it's sort of been keeping track of people in country and how they're treated unlike what they do is document are an evolution of how country views yards. But also like we're not the inflection point. It'd be like okay now. We're good at this. So i would check them up because the really good at sort of breaking it down. I'm so glad you said that we're just really giving me life today. Because i keep mentioning. That i grew up in nashville. I grew up in the shadow of this industry. In what i know most about it is that you know what they say. Public is very different than how they act in. Private in. Osborne has said in his interviews with time magazine that his friends and colleagues did know he was gay for many years so people inside country music did not just like probably knew that mr wallin was racist too but what you're clean to publicly the reposition themselves but why is this public positioning. Maybe not the most authentic thing for country music. Because i just keep thinking about las acts you know just a few years ago did win but country did not embrace the black gay boy. He had to keep doing pop tarts in our mba. And everything else. So what's going on specifically said you know this country music and of course he push back against that but we're seeing i think he's a changing of the guard in country but it's sort of so slowly happening but it's got frustrating to watch for anyone. I don't know younger than fifty to like. There's this element of watching these things. Change watching the conversation change but also when you get to the highest levels of these institutions. They're not interested in the full out. Embrace of these are not really fully. Remains crazy to me that. While you have artists like rainer roberts while you have artists like bernie spent while you have artists like hewlett like willie jones. We're doing so well that they wouldn't just like these. These are black artists who are doing amazing. I mean you wouldn't have country just from a financial and commercial perspective shift embrace them in a really big way because like berries money to be made. They're just like if you're not gonna do it because it's the right thing to do it because you can make money out of it. My god but like that unwillingness to go full tilt has been frustrated for people to watch but there are ways that we can see. That is changing. You know you could see like someone like jimmy. Allen has gone a lot of support for being a young black artists in the industry and like it's really great to see it but it kind of fits within the model of you didn't have one we're gonna have. One is a treaty kind of been the big one for the past couple of years king brown too. So we've talked about a lot of change what change. We're seeing the industry. But i want to go back to older country music scandals. I think about what happened to the dixie chicks. Do you think we've come a long way since then we haven't we. Haven't i mean like the fact that we keep doing this. I mean this is sort of what the rest of these for buzzfeed was about. Is that like there are people who get second chances. And there are people who don't and people get second chances. The most often country tend to be the white men. Repeatedly the morgan wallin's of the world are gonna get a second chance and the chicks were blackballed for ten years. Writing for a decade. There is kind of like sidelines. They weren't allowed to get that second chance. That is a long frustrating history of this industry looking at people who say things that are uncomfortable to. I guess white men and saying no like this doesn't belong in the discourse right now so i'd like to say that is changing. But he's not changing it at speed this fast enough for us to detect going to take a generational change and you know. I don't know if you're familiar with stat but it's pretty well known. I guess a national that country music genre that still sell. Cd's country music lovers buy cds at high rates which is more money for the industry itself and the reason for that is because it's an older audience. So do you think. That's also a factor here for these young black artists that may be need digital sales or digital platforms to kinda grow. Is that kind of why the industry is being like girl. Maybe not today. They're not moving. cd's yet. I mean that's as a like when you have choices in terms of how weird allocate your resources you're investing in people who can move though sees who can move physical copies at a walmart as opposed to have massive digital sales having said that you know like someone like morgan walnut. He broke streaming records. I think he'd doubled lou. Combs previous record like lou combs at one hundred and two million in the first week and more than two hundred forty million in his first week. That's pretty incredible and we'd say like streaming is a young young sort of industry like records being set all the time and the reason is being said all the time is because like more and more people are turning streaming. So that's teaching like country has a lot of lessons to learn one of them is if you invest more in the streaming efforts you will get more out of those and that includes promoting your black artists down and you know before we let you go who some black artists people should be listening to after the who got on i would start with. Maybe chapel heart loved apple heart. Britney spencer's amazing. Y'all is so great you'll is a british woman who does sort of country soul any like listening to her. You could swear their sounds like what would happen if aretha franklin just did like a country album legacy incredible an engine willie jones earlier and a. He's he's like a really cheeky guy like really fun. Sort of very standard country radio fund. 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Thaboxingvoice Rap Battle: BOXING BARS 15 BORDER WARS

Tha Boxing Voice

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Thaboxingvoice Rap Battle: BOXING BARS 15 BORDER WARS

"Intended for mature audiences, the views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect in any way those are the podcast partners, sponsors or affiliates enjoy. This is Michael Buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready. For boxing voice. Could have been anywhere in the world. Which would here with me? You do into the books seem voiced radio. Join us. Every Thursday and Sunday nive at seven PM eastern time. The Voice Dot Com. What would I would I welcome back to another distant a boxing bars fifteen. Border Wars I'm I'm a little law said, the title it is what it is seems like we all the little bit laws were starting thirty minutes behind they call an Eisai tactics on behalf of Mario. And Dumi I'll know why are you making stuff up? I've been here in skype the whole you see how he's trying to spin the narrative to get everybody on Reggae side. Burleson listen every day said he was the first one to be like you'll I mean skype and I'm go. Do Me to get it pushed back. Well, I answered the Skype Call I was the first one in here. I saw me in the car I don't know where Y'all were at but I was here I'm ready we doing this championship match you heard and Y'all. Last. Saw Her ready being on time. WHO's the real? WHO's the real repair of hip hop all you don't know ish about boxing, but I got the Wu. I'm Reputa- for Your Hood. Joe Does might sound right might sound right your Mike sales right y'all. So we was in the background in a green room getting low low freestyle. warm-up session eat C. P. Style you know what I'm saying. We coming in hot already. So on Oh. Yeah. Yeah. told the truth I walked into the Green Room and he was with his fighter in his dressing room. Trade like Y'all you've got this cash on like Whoa. What did I walk in on some ECP, trickery This boxing Baas. Oh upper fourteen again, I'm into profits in let me go ahead and added that y'all by symbolics. Fitting. I'm saying Eddie is GONNA be. Money May Mogi Yada Texas taking on Kashmir easy at a Jersey in the main event. Yes sir main event, and then we have on the CO main event Dumi of Jersey return in giving the people what they wanted to rematch with J. P. From Long Beach. That's right. I said it. Only on the CORONET ECP's zone. And reas-. The Only God knock off the gym. Each city UK versus greatness someone that is known on this car by others to hold the microphone. And then on the undercard to the UNDERCARD Is Natural is that Canada, taking on Sony from Cincinnati now look. I know they say like Oh, you be kicking people back in and I but. I need to talk the roughhouse was going on roughhouse warranted. JP on Natural Whiz I. TOLD THEM JP had reimagined. He was gonNA take that. And is like he won natural whiz all of a sudden natural whiz is and Sony I'm like, Whoa. WHOA. WHOA. I'm not all. They build in that way ain't got no undercard to the UNDERCARD. You know saying there's no, there's no. Tax But. You never know I see I'm king, I mean on the on the lines you never know if he might grace would hot sixteen. Joe. Real real quick real on live air. Do my verbiage warm up. You know my speech up. I. Would want to. Phuc Poo Blackout Pu. got. That's how that's the energy with tip of the tongue, the teeth the that's all coming with. The Coming. You he official in the Hollywood tip getting that might great. I. o King I mean is is scheduled the neck. I. Guess I got the wrong itinerary known saying call is Sony trying to set me up all the time and look bad. You know what I'm saying he wanted me to mess up my words on a live show. He sends me ontinue aries. Excluding, mean. Only the correct me on I. Get you. Sony. He keep trying to build a he said he killing you on the bars in the itineraries on a bill that up. But I gotta get these energy right man come on man. Oh. Oh Man. GI A. Saturday man boxing young. Man. Fuss say? Tuksy. ooh Doctor. Mario try or dubious hard. Oh. See. BACK ON A. Man Happy Started, WanNa get defeated. Here like a Cheetah, we own know what you believe in. You really think that money may defeated. No. I'm a show. Everybody on this. Show. defeated. High, go E.. The. Not the. Laws. Go to. Put Mario in the ball, but that was signing low homo guard. Known. And it's bad. The Be Monday May. Cash we come in every day. Me Come with the Swin pays. ME. taught me. I mean open up because to me say he pulling in we only had a quick mission. was to get the juices flowing. Get Ready. You know saying liberty. Anita. Jal Point. So. Serious. Battles number fifteen man. What a do? y'All this should be like everybody. I do the whole show with this beat on I just feel like I'm on a more right now but you know what I'm saying. You know yeah. Let me let me get something off the top and then I'm go to let me go starting off the top right quick everybody likes to beat down like this. Let me tell you this full story y'all cast looking like Nori. Joe. King said at first but check how up some more. Outbursts. Have run enough. Peck Running down twelve th street he got fast feet. Theft boy said meets on North North. For three six Roseville talk her all these due to road kill when I moved out. To South Orange Dad. You'll the. I'm putting in hats when I spit these bars. Yes. is still offer the top. No profanity. Nobody's can stop me nobody can rock me nobody can taught me. I'm not bulletproof when I let loose I'm guaranteed. To No repeat in I'm not cheating I'm not juice didn't do students in. If I'm stopping then. I'm rocking the body needs to quit. Off the top nobody, don't meet the spits get your pin gets a notebook hits Coke Cook. Costa Flows Bronx. Don't let him sure shake it puts it in prop with the risk you got. No kids are just this. Vote is up like this cheap like just got who the hell's rock. Could stop not. Let me. Let me get off what I got. You already know. That was could all day turn it off man I get naked woman to me I see the naked woman hid her away from me. Wow Tale. My people I love Y'all man. Let me get this off man and then and then 'cause I want I. Don't WanNa do nothing too crazy. Let me get this off I. Don't WanNa take too much time from the show because I love my boxing brothers set up the Cat Jersey Boys. I'M BEING BIASED JERSEY boy. Okay. But sat up the everybody right Let me get this verse all. The last fight you should see my knuckles. I was dancing on them had punching air backing up against the turnbuckle I was rolling punches, catching them on the soldiers in the hip. Slapping the Jag target practice on his Chin like I'm hitting the pad I told we'll be versus whitaker. I ain't get mad because I knew if I got robbed my credit, I would come back for the cast looting the bag no matter until there's no mosque bars are mediocre like the Lord May Tomas Yada Yada, your whole first verse was about your. Fat Camp or bright ideas the lightbulb but a ball nothing without you two trips in the main event to see who's champ I ain't worried about patriarch boats I. Love to see the crowd get amped every time. I'm showing flashes of what make me a legend power in both hands. My lateral movement is my best weapon across told clean on the chin. Then I m again, he was counting the lights on his back before the referee account ten kings you're what? I do somebody give me a battle Joe I'm GONNA. Just be real man if you were. You'd be living legend man. I mean I don't see how you got. You got corrupt judges and how you not in like these winds may Joe that just that learn. The way was delivered. He said lateral movement is my best weapon mirer. You know you were practising uh-huh Caz got practic- y'all he got to see Why are you like me where the don't warm up in the dressing room. You allowed to punch. My. y'All I mean I was fire that was fired. It looks like we got Dumi here. So we're going to check the. We're going to check the ATS inter-area says the core to underscored is natural whiz of Canada. Versus Sony Cincinnati commissioned stand up. How? Sony you've been ducking. He thought I was coming with that Bob and I'm going to let them live natural killer day. WHO's up I show which one come on duck in. Okay go Sony what up. Only. Oh. So they did a restart. skype he's got no. Heart. CARE. What part of the show was on? Restart a show who's on my real you ready. I see a lot of little lip quiver. Practicing in the mirror. I just pay. Cash over there, he brought the new APP usually out here with Airbus. biking everything for this. Got The. And attack. Energy. The energy coming out of me had the air pots popping out of me. You know what I'm saying. The energy coming out of. The. Warm you up enough. Like I'm. Ready I'm be I mean I mean dot it. I mean who I? Spit a verse, Snow Curves. To me though. Right and Y'all. Topic. Man is my pal y'all but he don't show that's kind of Phalle. Now he go make it in a mile watch he gonNA come through man I sorta got can't hear the do we that confident? is He that confident that he's like Yo? Look, at fighters tape He. Says the first time that he? He says the first time he got it in early. Early, he was writing a balls today two hours before the show. Listen. All. Week, that's the ball write that down. Oh. That's how I'd do it too. Yeah. Why are you still in my? Why are you still in process? To heart man with stainless. Your. Losses Let's play that new stainless. Are. You. Know about that may be here for this. You to get on this one attended douse. The world well, ladies in. Off. Now. Looking. Scientific some this Fox percentage to sign pivot knockouts. Inside. Sightings. Let your daily Dutch and make a difference. Fans. All right. All right. All right. We got skype back my best Sony we had to restart sky be wiling but. Step on up champ step on up. was, good. It was good. The Natural Now. Non Natural is, but we had a skype restart. So who who's gone I Although I although I I chat, how are you? I'm good. I'm good states. Unnamed Gangsta. Way You what's your name? Where are you from? The call me the natural man Natural Winston Canada, he'll tell Hamilton. Ryan let's do it mass but that fire. CanNot, get? Lizzo. Champ. Dude. In the corner having a mental crap thinking about chocolate brownies and kill Brooks I can't call my right on LEX and talking about Luga Cock at right-back it hits you with the ruler and after this battle, you'll be having nightmares. Tommy Freddie Krueger. You really don't want this action worried about matching. So your training like we really captain and some rapping flick and snatching Doug Flick Herald snap something close to you like thrown of polly, take your belts and your girl. Bars of WACK and watered down like gatorade. Well, my boss one, hundred percent concentrated to sweet like minute maid listen while we fighting we also have an combo and that time blocking their shots like a long of making you play like Rambo. Now we call that an ultra Combo TV station hidden all the world's nations Sony these was speed bag you face with your man with a stray. You're good. Do but I knew you'd be my cremation. Place too much gang take note. Said powder I sit. Here you energy this morning. Sony got to come. Correct. Let me know what you WANNA do. Sony. Bell, you'll laugh to bed. At. A Yo. Man You breaking not terribly why are you ain't available within the net doing battle? What. We lost to. Sony. Man He by the card is hob allow. ME. I. I I. I mean you really going in and out bad man. Can Be better now how Oh my God don't tell me that was a Bluetooth Burwood is you doing? That's that's a bad bluetooth. Okay. Wow. No it ain't blue. We're you. Think if you stated. Stay right here. Can You? Can beat the verse I. I would like to hear you talk for a few seconds straight because I don't want you to start and you going in and out. I'm just WanNa, make sure you good. Your Mites. Wants to might check. Yeah. You sound real bad chant. Robot. You know keep doing one might check once who wants who consistently so that we can cause you know it definitely is clipping you out. Your will. Nah Sony Damn where you at know you had a battle this mind games right here with natural whiz you're trying to let the sweat drive man. We can't hear. At fly I have two rounds from Mario Oh you're supposed to. A championship fight they changed the rules longtime ago long ago four around for cash. I got twelve damn. I don't even know what to do because he's the commission so I can't even ask them what to do. Me On his myself wants to. Go. That's better. Let's hope you stated Oh. Let's open on disappear on us. I don't think speak their because I don't want to call the drive. Go for man. I. Give me bail. Canadian style come through you lose diners. Comes through you lose like a dominance Ko about. Getting, gruesome all your mug like fluidly rights you got no fight tonight touro with that guy, the a smokeout Canadian, maple leafs, lower lights the burn title shot with the Bronze Barber you can find twice if you'd like. Copa Lead, Unite Natural Whiz Pascal land flat from these pistols Boo Tae Lucian get jacked by bad news. This American black do come into like Jack Johnson bars take out taught me burns crossing the border Billie Joe was slow for you. David new. Boxing in the booth spitting the true spitting that truth to power give you showers like I. Sing Rock Mandolin Lewis Tyson raise it can't cut from slices in the form of upper cuts and pop singer Gush puking you up in the luck of a win own this spin of wordplay in-box bars display taking out the whole naturalness side of. The. Cut. Off Right right right. That was your man's natural whiz out of Canada. Take no Sony to commission from. Cincinnati. Yami I'm literally. Literally doing poll now who? Tomorrow. But that's why we give and Tom Right because next up. To. Combing. Right looking like, do me in JP? Up Nets so do me you the undefeated? What you're doing, I. Already know Chan Hin getting the privilege does he takes it? So that means going first. So that means he go I. OH Call. Call Them. Oh, JP. Up. Dumi that do the background looking vicious right now. Yeah. What more nobody around Over my man call like Fam-. Warner. Do you know how I'm sounded. Better than Sony. That's for sure. I. Shall. We been ready. All right. That's the. That's adamant. But for some reason, my favorite is this one forty. That's the lipid nets. Best. Boss I got youngins in the hook and when I tell them, they're gonNA ride automatic they like test loss. Do Me this Doomsday Momma called him Mama said knock you out. I'm ll cool J. I am sorry doom JP got too much guile gida sonic boom. I'm a banner ring wheelchairs bothering I'm Samuel L. Jackson a snake on a plane when I spit. Is the Ish Lee dookie stains call me Hannibal Lecter about the eat DUMI grains what was your thinking doom I'm high risk. When I write is hieroglyphs, you should've took the time to contemplate I can see you getting. We can just start to fade yourself this. Normally I'm thick skinned and I'm hard the pace just one of the many gifts that God is Gay And in this corner in this corner we. Own I. I take a sip of his coffee. Lyonnaise lying. Awake. Well, what's the Net Cup me? It was GONNA go. Find. Can't Hellfire and dragon blood y'All. Sip Him before the fight. No no Red Bulls before the fight man Margarito. Let them do that. Rebel Hellfire and dragon's blood I'll why oh, why I chance to hit that? Bad. Let me go in. They come in for my own I. Never let it go. They try five times, but they never caught the flow burning that Kelly big up Info Joe. I'm ready John Snow. It's a fight toe to toe spent versus Porto low blow bright lights you breaking. I'm putting on his show Tommy get greedy saying do me done y'all silly more than words, border wars, what the daily Danny Garcia left hook straight philly. Flow. Big, Willie perform when I'm called upon got Cao's in the states and across the pond Miami's call you Chocolat Tito parameter Dong this chess not checkers and you just upon triple g body. Shocked got your screaming Light Lil Jon, Your Chin built like Amir Khan. Oh done right before Tom Man, okay about ten seconds left on that one. I, you can give me no time. I'm still in the bag getting these other runs together. So we're going to go ahead and get to our next match. Mario would you choosing to do going First Himal- you? Oh. Shit we got ISA greatness. I. Forgot all about that. Oh. Come on well, neither one of them here. Then either his greatness. So looks like I'm all right with that. Yeah I mean. So that's off the that's off the card. so we're GONNA. Go ahead and get to my real. Would you WANNA do? He going first. Casual easy. Yo Yo titled Be. Don't say Ecpat and get you what you eggs fool me. Let me know he's wearing a bell after before how you want it. Is Doing. A OMORI sleep pray for him I'm about the HIT THE WAR BUT DRACULA DRACULA's draft. Lists. Don't stop the fight them punish him concussion at Nesia blacked out Hannie. Have Cash. Remind him plenty gear. What's worse the gift for the Curse Lucky lucky me ness blessed me with the Blam Mario Nintendo and pop and tags you eat and. New Tags Toe tags on your palm knows go ahead. Go ahead talk to the constellations and cancellation this mar this is my revelation. Don't look don't speak you with duck feathers plug. Let's go. Let's go into playing around red nose red nose Mary Clown I can't afford to miss a hook while I'm hooking off cock back the wild shoddy shot the body, shake your body body shake shake your body potty. Now you at me look at me big dog who can who won this cash madge mcgeer nobody From Blue Hill. Dan Going. We're going annual at ten seconds left. We go onto Mongia. y'All hit the bill after I. Start. y'All I'm killing cash, but don't worry the coffin roomy plus you were granted an extension on your stay of execution courtesy. A Dumi I've been winning battles since the start of boxing bars bubble, you could combine cash and dollars. Diaz is still wouldn't buy them out of Trouble Test Your Chin like struggle I'm not subtle when it comes to finish opponents hoping that this dope qualifies me for. The posting and I can tell look cast shell shook only one left me to beat like cal Brooke practice all we try to stick the bag and you could tell it's paying off watch me flicked the JAB like Elvis picture-perfect slow lands to the pelvis call that a low blow a chunk the punch now you get stuck watching them call me duck, but you get in chicken, fuck Automatic win casual is. Champion. Now. Giving round to get around to I mean the. A Ruse, Jacob both still do. In battle. But he's disqualifies is like in a person low blow and then You know the referee. Takes the you know the point and then you do it again, he got to disqualify. Ground to Mario Ain't no money may sorry I crush Sergei Kovalev body pay I stay looking fly like brand names I meant to design not designer put were we your heart? It raise a rare is like panda panda, their C. Y. P. Mario try to hide behind your duck season and I'm aiming my Shannon Cannon Reifer Mario Ski as big as Adam Kornacki I dealt with the big home he and his cronies. That's JP JT and getty and Sony, write it down in bold letters they fill in my spirit like Bel things for the dead and the boxing arena, your her me like diamanti call you screw face now who are up with me, get the reference you overweight like devante belly now listen to the referee one, two, three, I'm the greatest Avi C. P. too bad. You can't come back like a boom rang Wa. ooh, Mario still income by doesn't official knockout because he not Batman Mario Mary needed to take a walk around the block and then maybe down our. The grocery store getting. So for a bottle of chill out and come back Barbara, how do you? How do you? How do you write? Curses into your rat and then want to. Spit him like. 'CAUSE 'cause he. Did. Good Buddies. He's good at it where he like might write something and then spit off the top because it worked at that moment and he fumbled and said. Out because when you Ryan Dude on the pad and shit or on the on the notes section of your Iphone, you you you rhyming but you. Aligns apart you add in, you take out and Ambra sometimes you'll leave some shit on and you read it, and if you take it out and you not clever enough not the read and flow so you automatically spit into it man that's what happened in man. Shit was nuts. Yo You kill. Why they give natural whiz astray body. Lying like he got a a perfect scores like one hundred Yoyo. This is buster Douglas Mike Tyson Raina. He he he may whether. You Buster Douglas Right now, Chen. Nine nine Buster Douglas. saw. Lewis Dumi, and do me a long beach. JBC from Long Beach Tired. Again. Fifty fifty. y'All he found he found his you know what they say is always a my outdated got your number. They got each other number they keep tie up. So far natural is got to straight Mayweather Cannella one, Sony zero votes for Sony Sony Sony. No Sony's Oh. Man I gotta I gotTA. Shut out the big Mac says, Mario took a dive this issues rigged. Oh. Shut out in riquet brother. Good. Good. Good. Good win. Last verse. Done what? Pin. Three times. Them Bro. I thought I thought Oh Marriott ended that way like he was trolling me and shit like he finished his rhyme and he was just trolling leaving I didn't know that Hugh even had spit. Oh. y'All. Into the book. Go ahead. I was just on say I heard on the street that Mario that on purpose he was trying to be three times. Because he got the rematch. Care about is is. Many Times as I? Three Division Two out three time champ man. Ma You're wheezy. Don't let these dudes still your glorious like you said, I ain't doing that. My. Cash. Breath. I'm not. Shriek was just matter I was like more mad at myself. You know what I'm saying but. You know we. We chat now but I think the streets is calling for that Dumi. If do me wins, he got six no, you've got six wins is just sound like the right thing to do but if j. p. win then you know you know he become for you like you came for do. ME. Do me. Do me impressed me I think he's girls ghost rider. Fun. Little key my. Boss at work at work he home all we come on. Like nope I can't do it to Saturday. Awesome I voted for Sony so it won't be a body. So that was himself. A Call them vote for yourself. You know call them. Oh Snap I'll put cash. As easy what the Hell? You funnies. Yourself no one day said it was read. Ya. Mareo. Ski. You might have a chance here to make an appeal to the commissioners don't even let me. I can't even edit edited. So they they they vote on Mario as casual easy and they vote on on. Casual, easy from Jersey. They notice a fake word. They like the real ones please stand up. Cash. Flow. Line Mariel. To the tonight moment whereas. I'm sorry. Let me ask you real quick because you know you kind of in a similar situation to address where you went in a belt off D for does it matter to you feel any different? A little bit because you know by disqualification, but asked had to spit my second verse fumble so much I. was nervous because I I heard a lot of fumbling. Gay I. Just it was a lot of wordplay near there I just couldn't grasp. People are people are questioning on the JP Dumi do ms lead right now fifty, three, forty, seven, percent fifty, three percent to forty seven percent but but they questioning, golly, don't UK. said JP. have any boxing Bosnia he said like. Gluskin. Better, be. Yeah I didn't get that Ooh that's Ma Lipin. Yes. Casual, do you WANNA yet? s what he said. That in help him you know Dj out here he was cocking back with the. Thought. With the reload was that. You need the body language with that right? It was the by it. Was it was it was the reload. Then earthquake says J. P. was in rare form on this one fire Mooch. S J peas. Rally Team Right. Somebody, body the natural whiz. He had he had that twelve old going on somebody. Wing on do Sony like that. Can't let Sony go out like that Yo. So that's it though. I mean, wait for the polls to fully close. Do me back the tight fifty, one, forty, nine percent again. Dan Do. You might change your name the. To through. This is close. Got Fifty minutes left, which are forty, nine, fifty, one, I think they're gonNA have to have a rematch with we're. Drawing out to have a rematch, I mean not another draw, but there's another Typhi. Rematch with with to to championship rounds in it I mean. Obviously, exit the commission they approve it, but this is getting crazy. Tight again. Tight. Again, tied again fell as you titus word is blown. Don't call me Titus Dog Leonide ass-. Say Throw this guy. I knighted sound like Oru infection. Why? He got. From hunted. Let me let me bring you back down to Earth Man Brea Beige Donoughue with. Space Y'all. So Sony more men tell us what to do here. We got a bunch of minutes onis pose. We started late fifty and it's on a dooming up while you cut me off I'm trying to I'm trying to talk to to the extent you know what I'm saying I want to know the accent or San and Briggs I'm here with the fake. Money made. Rapid why you? GotTa Rub it in. Listen Kaz Geysers. To me, I was. Gone to the Green Room and he was already has coroner brother. GotTa. Teaming does that to one of his top fight y'all listen listen because if you own follow the plan. I gotTa Rub it in when you might get that call from Jan Nah. If you don't follow the plan I gotta be like see this is me saying see I told you show you know? And you may play keep playing you next on lives. Look. How did how did we get to that point? Mary? Explain to us how it went down where where the ever occurred and how you fell through man how did it happen? It was watch him call me a duck right? Because I knew he was going to have a duck line I was premeditated with that. That's how much I thought about this. Watch him call me duck but. A chicken gets plugged flunk the test. That's the way it was the rhyme scheme was just. Didn't fuck it up one time. It was like but chicken, but you would chicken that gets plug flunked the test like try to you gotta get it fast and yeah man I literally had messed that up once. The chicken I think I-. Chicken or some shit like that. I I. Didn't catch it right away like it was like a pause. It was like a body shot. It was like wait a minute. Did that hurt? That hurt Yo. Mario Isci because the rematches are always big. You know what I'm saying and is more money intervene. Matt's why you could put more money on cash oh gotTA. I gotTa Build. Partly on both. Uh Man. It's all good man. Hey, you know what? Cash deserves it breath he's been killing it week after week y'all. Jeff saving this verse though not GonNa Live for the second verse. A Jeff Man. Give me the stats on cash. How many Whiz in the week is this? have. Right now. Thirty six. Six. Six Mario I mean look at do me saying the only one with six wins? You know what? I'm saying look. Man Look I'm like I'm like Chango you fell me I you know I worrying about you know Oh and Go. Up to fight imagine more James I show up to fight. You know what I'm saying I battled. That's what I do. You know what I'm saying It's been a rough in the last two times, but it is what it is. Man I gotta show up and fight man I was there. In the same way in amateurs on the same way right here battle bars same way and border wars. But I wanna I wanna just something what Mario where he was saying how he had to go fast he started killing it with the fast. Man He's killing it would his flow too bad. He Kerr's I was trying to practice my to some just coincidentally I was doing the same thing I was going slow then I would go fast and my fast and my slow kind of fumbled twice. So cash cash you you. You you take special time to prepare. Do you know have? Your low time where you say Yo this is my this is my time. Well, I think the rhyme Ya. Artist. Loretta Super. Chat right, and it says. Make A.. B.. C.. You. At twenty five. I M salivating Newbie. I. Mean What he means though like if you speak to, you get to submit a be you get to you get the download, the beats a spin on it I'm loss. Is He a producer? VAPID As he meant I lose he wanted to spit on the beat. I mean. But why say make? Make Lucinda. WHO's was a yo Yo live right now on the spot I'm putting them on a spy Gary. Russell said, what time he tried to do one o'clock and obviously weighing going to be ready for one. So when you're ready I, want this Gary Russell, Yami the duck. Duck master. Air By got quiet y'all seen look at. Hose just thinking of Yesterday. Shocking, Arab. I was like Gary Gary yesterday because I Devon heinous father now got gary. Would up. which are trying to do. I'm going ever I mean what? What's are trying to do better earlier I get well. Yeah like two or three. Busy today I'll just be Oh, you know what my team is. The only thing I got is my dad's birthday, but that's not so. Dad's birthday y'all he's. Late late tonight. It's not starting till nine probably. The. The truth. and. Broken wreckage. This guy. Anyway, I'm just say him. I'm. GonNa now I. GotTa. League Gary On. Red. Lights. That's did me I. said. Let's go to o'clock three o'clock. Two o'clock three o'clock four five classes talk seven o'clock. Hours less every day seven days a week check these polls will be go up. Some post fights is looking like DUMI JP fifty four, sixty s fifty, four, forty, six, percent, forty, two minutes left only thirty nine votes still tight going down wire next fight. Is really no other fight because Natural Whiz beat the hell out of. Man Sony, and then one on. Automatic disqualification. GOES WITH THE PLANE Takes. Out Owners Resolve congrats the cash. Is King. CONGRATS chant. From nausea. We ever since he won the pick them leave. Says I'll be on have no fear supermax is here. Own. J Pizza. JP tight again. Did you get a friend to go ahead and vote for you the way to do this? and His name is DA. Now, man I wasn't able to recruit. But Nah I wouldn't never recruit nobody go battle though man another successful Saturday morning boxing bars. Let me get to this beat man whoever beat this is I want I want to get to this beat man I've got me solid. Get to that. I mean let me hear you. How's it? How's it sound to you on your does it cut out. Here I will let us guess. Talk Shit see it makes me WanNa put me in a move. It makes me KINDA WANNA. Do something different. So I probably. You know man what for person. No. Let me try. It got it makes me feel a certain way souls the tone I would take. It is a little different, but I'll try. Here. Get depressed at. A pulled a coma by letter bring I'm talking about the civil justice things. Let me take on me you better pray for me. I'm have been leaked have been. Spray me. You know I'm on something like that. With this man, I can't really do it but you know let me get. Now this beat this. Young. He got the master's send it to you. WE'RE GONNA go to great Patriot patron. Greatness put the Curtis Hall. He knew he couldn't go harder. Losses on your record starting to look like Sony. which you hang around. Your losses together. Together man. Ami. Here you. At the time that I was the thing though. Not Big fact may I I got excuse me for them. Then I got a crazy morning man but I'll know how things worked out I handed it if if your holiday to commission already wh, what's the what's the verdict? I mean to be honest with you like if I if you was working with me I would've already put in a position to commission stating that my fighter at least showed up. And the still ahead so that you shouldn't get laws but that was a long time ago in. Did that for you so they gave you the laws. I mean, you know what? It might be a double default because neither one showed up. So neither one unless you have both gained law that's going to be some for Ya to deal with in the Commission Man I dunno seems a little weird. Nobody showed. So I don't know if you're going to get losses or. Not. Is Yeah. I'll taking my just go down for rescheduling that. We are moving groove man I I see playing the beat on the back man. Just, now logging nor man I'm I'm already hitting making errands I'm outside by head back inside or whatever. So I gotTA catch the playback. No? Problem Champ no problem. Yearbook Sony. That Sunday think about neither one of them showed up. So maybe neither once you get a ll no natural whiz, you call a body but it looked like Sony girl signed up in She was like Nah you ain't GonNa, get a twelve nine on my man. That's the formula. Natural is busy. Eating, the food man Oh, a soup on a my. That was a hard as verse Natural Whiz. saw. But now. I was curious now I WANNA know what? What was my I didn't even get it all off to be honest with you. Like. Oh Man you know I will have to hear it again to to to have it but you had a lot of really good metaphors Some good one liners thought were good. You just put the whole thing together really well. I feel like I was like like I've heard you spit really good stuff but that was like a complete verse for me Y'all why felt like Sony was freestyler and then sometimes? Then I felt like Oh wait maybe he wrote that and then and then again the flip back to like wait he he just freestyle at. So I. Think Sony, Sony on that not take a serious I think he'll. He'll. Right. Don't take it serious. I think that it's you know. I mean he he's just trying to be another battle rapper for everyone ed y'all listen. Natural Wisdom staying showcase skill. CONGRATS, men. Back to the drawing board and see WHO's next. where? Man I'm duck and Gary. Now I'm looking at the text to say what Tom Question Mark Line. Twice. My daughter just me. So now I gotTa pick us. I really can't do one I gotta go pick up my daughter. Thanks Joanie what up man Damn Sony. Kenny and get the win man I was trying to take your scout now just like all losses buried on only make sense for me to give you a shot. Ducking to post Fi. I'm waiting for the whole. The whole time limit to go before it's over it ain't over. So what up maybe really busy was going on. Duck in a post fight man. Duck in spite. It ain't. GonNa make enright. Natural wheels. took the fact. So he also job so we go to Oh, he dresses his. Greatness left. That's crazy man. Yeah Yeah. Yup I see what you're doing me plan your both was busy. So he likes Yo, you jump on jump on you but we ain't GonNa be on the saints on. So we ain't got a bad we rescheduled right? That's what I did. You know I told. So listen I said look I'm a little bit coop right now but as soon as Roma's. Let me know and? Leave missing this. Schedule because the both miss this. So I don't think the cost way meet meet meet. We would you what does that mean? I don't think getting losses because both Leon wasn't his so I was here I stole Sony acid hit me up I'm here on. Scott. Here when. When I went to you at the time of year battle Idris was not on call and neither was great. It was something. Sony was on a call he was on a call, but Egypt's greatness. Roy. Said Look Sonia I'm ready today. Can you give me a heads up before it's my turn? He said, no I said I'm in the middle of something. About said I'll let you know when when you're up I, mean greatness is gone and even Sony is gone. So like I all better off just doing it next week. Anyway you know what? I'm saying like it because it's a good battle I. Think it's not I don't Wanna I don't think it should be rushed. ME. I'm miss the E. C. P.. I gave you the right path you going to be. Lost Man you want. More money. lost. In I, hear you I'll be fighting for, but we just rescheduled for next Saturday and you. Couldn't. Real quick Am I getting that immediate rematch like next week? Listen listen. Listen listen, listen, Linda. I'm still missed the ACP I still do no matter what the people might try to tell you when your inbox. And brainwash you my tracks and clad. 's always rematch you know what I'm saying. So, always remember you got to. Do me. I'm start right in do me contracts with the rematch clause like billion away even though he? He got that mandatory instrument position. It's like, Oh, I can't let that slip. So it'd be lose going to get that rematch as like Dylan, white young and. Just know it don't come as a surprise whenever you do battle and he's like Oh won't you mean that's not go to show right here. He goes your verbal contract. You want a shot at Dumi because he's the mandatory rain in defendant a position Mario was duck and. Saying now look he lost his belts A. He lost his belts Rica now we gotta try that double win and then he got. Do me on his heels, which is already a fight that they has. So it's like you want that rematch. So you see how a university building I'm I'm coming for the strap man. Mentioned my name Lot y'all. Mario concerning all around because it's like, oh He's still got the rematch. So it's like three Thai three times. More already the chance and Vk you can't. Fake Belt Right now. You know you've got gotta come. See me chant. Let's see. Let's make sure you to chamomile refresh your school. Let's make sure he'd a chance. Short. Come through in Clutch Tom last week because his his numbers came in late last week. Let's see. Let's see up. I, looking like Oh do me still got fifty four percent to forty six percents only forty six votes that I mean there's about You know was fourteen people still out there. Still out there. Dale. Randy. How sway shaking my head I don't know what he meant. If mean, that S JP's rally. Team. Throwing brand under the bus. Own. All of the people who vote for. All go to me any comment section y'all we're going to go out to the callers we season Las Vegas what up what up Ease. No season. Share. Call them man just good morning I listen to the show that great battles not gonNA give votes. Controversial battles food, but your man rates break bucket that. Show Man, I'm over here the of land. So. Ratio. subchapter have a good weekend. Anybody. Now was going to say you know anybody Francisco. A bunch of Francisco's man from in the boxing world like in person box where a boxing world. Salazar. Oh. Not Abbot he's from the West Coast. I know him now while I was in in Brooklyn I went to a birthday party. Santana she. Santana. And do a yellow church and not yours about to get my head blast right so I'm not. Coming to. Those our. Now I make that up. I make that out to do that part. But do you re gate church? I thought he worked at the place. I'm open my Isaac was up like you know. And he was like, Oh, I listened to the box and voice. Yeah. I was like what? What's your name? Francisco I'll. Go. Crazy. You. See you seen who we have in on. Thursday. Who but under Nah this new female box I just felt like that was like up your Alley Miss Odessa of Desa Melissa. Me Fox. Show show box to head off. ledges going to pay. You mean as. Boorda was opponent you told him. Hang. Desa. Yo four zero nine. That's my man jd in Texas. Let me find out seeing you in a chat. Somehow I might get my hands on that beat is you're talking about this be Ab because if you spit, we want hear it. Yeah I mean. The. Only. took. A Yoyo. What what a? How does the beat sound you wireless plan is and you out? Yeah. While I'm on the phone. Yeah. But I can't hear the I can hit a everything necessary I'll turn it off for you. So you know that's better listening to experience. Monopoly. Talk about that the battle all able to talk about it or I don't WanNa talk about it now go for everything but if Is basically done does ca- vote got a vote? to US thought. Well. Well, honestly, I like the I like jt like delivery and I saw where he was going with it so. I gave the battle. It just seemed like you was all over the place to with the delivery. Iran all right. I'll take the criticism champion. Maybe I gotTa spit it again you know what I'm saying. Because you win you win you win song man look you trying to you made your roots as a bad rap and you're trying to sell songs now. Young and look like an old school hip-hop now. I'll talk about it. You know it felt like you tried to change the floor little bit. You know you got you got jigger on us. You know what I'm saying it was like I. I thought it was good to song. Yeah because we liked that but some people are of the essence they want to rap the bat. Right But That's all jd maybe maybe that's what it was. Yeah Yeah I mean that's all I really wanted to I mean the other ones I mean Mario dropped the ball. You know it looked like he was he was about to win but then he has the ball so. So sat out the K.. So. NUFF. AW, Hamas says, how come you guys don't put all the shows on Apple podcasts I lose service because I'm on the road and apple podcast, you can download it. Well. Because it comes out maybe in like. Sixteen to twenty four hours after the show is delivered and done and patriots get it immediately. Ad Free. On I tunes, there's ads you know that you know that you'd. Wireless. Bookshop Air Buds Dot Com who sent you some wireless ear buds so that you can win in the next TB fantasy pick them league. If you don't the TB fantasy picked him league is. 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Discount Code, you're going to save ten percent and You Know Jarkko has just been a listener of the show for like five years and you know he started his own company guys own little. Air Bud black owned company. He's right here. In the Tri State area while he's in Baltimore DC area and. You Know Support Mandla. Full free. So maybe he sends you something look and shot out to you know whoever? He didn't give me information because that would not be ethical but. Definitely. told me someone already used the discount code a TBB and got ten percent. Also, you know shot out to someone who was out there and brought him the sale right from TV. You know look. We are the world we are the children. Today's a better place. Let's start giving. This guy. You're you're eight or. WHO's up is A says less make today a better place. This box in bars I messed up delivering is most pick it up if filming. About that sound by first of all low, it is too loud face we going to miss the P.. B. C. MR he. Google. Believing with. Horse. I don't care what? Mr. The. Baby. Yoyo yours good. Mr Lisi. Thank cash out here like Tyson Trivia. This thrown weird punches in somehow knocking people down. You needed to take casualties gloves should he probably put his wrist in fest? Be More I guess. Still. represent the fact that you know. NASA get the T. be. Allowed to talk to. People who come onto the shaw. Next we'd be making Django. He just ain't ready to up level up this hustle and. Make. Sure. His baby just off the formula. Let's go to moat. Let's. Let's move up. TV evolve Yo be I just posted a new interview you know. Okay. So. I. And I get five percent Now, you gotta pay to actually question like you. To do. Yep Yep. That's exactly what? On my brought to you by Mississippi VC brought some missed. PBC. Yo Go ahead and follow your local amateur. Jordan Carr, shot Joe Carter. He's a heavyweight in Seattle Washington and he's a Patriot we appreciate everybody's supposes we're going out to eat driss talk to me. He'll. Nations, winners, and stuff. On. A sweat you I'm back this is just to plan all next week. Remember this I'm GonNa make the example. Great. Everyone Eli stop. You'll? Think Sony collaborate with him. And you know set me up man. Lotto. So When I'm close to you by. At least fifteen minutes. Let me know because I can get away I can do that. It didn't do think he's collaborated greatness. He needs to jump back on hopefully. Good. Anyway, listen th-th everybody I'm fired up again. All right I'm I'm my. listen I'm lacking now ready to time to time I'm going. To. School challenge you fill me. We got. Any use the cash. Cash Shabby. Saved us that thirty percent you know youtube once every cent. Anthony John Lewis. Stimulus. Fire is what I meant. Shut out the state see. That's what I'm saying dollar man. You got these dues talking about I can be every talk somebody say stainless before. As dollar deep. Yossi Production. Saying we need another be gotta be like like this though this one I mean I can't play this what I wanted and this was inspiring. James Benitez Up. He usually just oh, he goes what what up. Our, we've had the man finally got a day off math. I'm here listen to the boxing bar man the great show. NASA. Wisman he impressed me JP. You know one forty lifting. That's man he threw some. He threw some nice little punch lines out there. and. You know don't be man. Like, say man liking image days or whatever may you came out? They gave the Man It was what it was. And yokip says I'd really thought where you slipped up. I really thought you said the you know the the fuck, but I could be wrong. Oh, he's Going back to. I really watch to go back to the tape and Mario you need to get a mandatory rematch or maybe might need petition for the maintain belt. But. Unlike the way you think. Words they even with luck or anything like that. In there. I'm just saying saying. This pull. You did you did that Then you said something. You know but hey, I could. Be Wrong. Right I just want everybody just go ahead and Mario. Monday take run That's Basically the commission. Commission. On the Great. Of that commission too. So you know he might take the time to review the tape, clip it and send it to Sony Main. Yeah. So I've been that man, Hey, we want Gary. and. y'All. Go ahead man. You. Amen. I'm just saying for the great continued give every day man we appreciate it man appreciate you magazine listen we wouldn't be hit by the but. I'm GonNa get an answer your question to the next person. In terms of Gary, you know these duck Miami, your seen a energy man, this is what I get. Shut up saying that you gotta go pick daughter don't. Early. Flock you. I hit him. I hit him ducking me listen. To me my daughter listen look at look at the time my daughter text me twelve, twenty seven. So if you would've asked me immediately, I would have been honey I'm gonNA send Margarita. Good at I do verb listen I was working to check the tape on that one. I was working until midnight last night. You see I, want to see US grow. The team fill me in Gary Show would blow. Charleston's until tonight dismiss you're? Ducking. X.. J. P.. I think we went to you, but we'll go to. LV slug a roof Gabby Russell please soundbites for weeks. Go they want that sauce on a Saturday we would have been chilling Soon. People I text them is to. Be Great. Talking like we duck in why he bluffing? Is. Say. One Came in Florida would up. Congratulations to Kim Son. Because his birthday today's I'm lost right now with the border was content but I know his son is a ball player. You can ball player. Yeah. Just happy birthday. In fact, you saw player Happy Day. Is. Legacy. Happy. Birthday just. Cham- desire I like that name I had a friend named design high school. To. Just listen and we're going to stone ball. Came users. Listen Ryan Sinoe flash so stone. Oh Shit did he just flash despised? Right? SUPERMAC says Bro what I said I was on with the hill. CC. No. Gone this tonight Roy. Of let's. Go let's. Oh Yes or What What y'all good battle man on My Workman's got off the roof is blazing hot out here. So I'm not even really coherent right now which is good battles man memorial ball. You would have down in the bag to man which you fumbled bags sweetheart line. Well, yeah that's all I got me on this show. Good Metaphor stone bone. And it was was a guest y'all man. You have to do me win a little Hollywood so i. Just went to go song. Versus aggression. You know had a nice little flow real the same same critique, gay. CAZ early on was he was being to fly to cool when he tried when he got somebody else going adamant don't was being cool with. Yummy to playful. Use sometimes right. Right right now stone. I i. just want to know is the polls closed. So I can speak on it posed closer around. Eighteen minutes I'm going to hold I'm on holy. Thirteen minutes stall but stone you right on the money champion. But yeah, he was delivering I'll house in the car listening to a a really did say like a song I was like. Okay but I'll have is now was a close next time. Keep you aggression up to stay focused on A. On on your tax let me hear the. BEEP inspire man. Put that on. Champion. Looking he on wire right now do. You. Somebody somebody video. Somebody instagram he's sharing it. He do that all day. Let's go chain. He put it on their go. Off. Scenario. And I didn't even send in verse for this man. You waiting to jump like double Dutch you mean stone Dan that's right. My bad. Momentum. Up a bone. Light up a bomb. No Joint City was beat the spent on. No. I about the. Jump on it okay. Nobody. was a shopping the piece. On so I, just took off the off. Jumping when you catch. Can hear now. To turn it up a little bit more. Up Little Bit little bit. Got To feel that be. Shout out to the box bars. Take me back to when I used to boxing bars ride round. Fox Sevi-. Blocks theft in glove. Tall Margarita how to get that off. Rapid AB WAY TO SOLVE WHEN They noted I'll be true default. It'd be like man you smell like a pound of drove a say a year. That's how do it on the low comes through you can get him bought A. Matter of fact, you can get him bail. Stop. Bella Hey off the audit don't know remain little block of a ton. Of, right that looks like a by night King I'm Ryan. On the Super Check Vinyl Four. A white take the Russian money chant loss toll. May Take the rest of money when your boss Don King took most of the keenum border wars border bars, get new management chance of new management. But if I didn't have ironclad contract, Meyer would be out here pushing a broom man luckily I put those airtight rematches is and my man continues to be a two-time champion in the main most wins in boxing bars you know two time to only two time champ. You know like look listen ECP creating legacy people just want to divide as they try to say that one is better than the other but meanwhile Dumi six no, you know what I mean casual is obviously going to get the war for most improved he's on a huge win streak. So I don't know you. You could interpret things the way you want or you can look at. Truly and see that the management and representation as easy. P takes their fighters to the next level in San Jose. All my guys are at the top. It's like chair. Rematch clause mandatory position number one like all my guys are at top so people could try to brainwash people but like facts are facts you know man. But when you said chance you said Champ. You. And then, Mario. Mario's the re-met doom as the mandatory. Then I got then I got number one roughhouse JP. Do is up there. You know roughhouse definitely you know he got he got he got passed over he was supposed to get natural wisdom which. Would them at like four wins in a row. So there was no way. He wasn't gonNA be top three. But. It happened. There was a lot of happening. Yeah. I want that title shot He ready but now you gotta wait again you keep weighing now. Now. Now, I'm on the other now I gotta wait for cash. Okay you write her that around Chan. Now you now you gotta see see that's the thing. Now do you do what you did last time right when when when Mario laws and he had an interim fight because he had to try and get the rematch you wear and try to be big. Will he started dropping singles like he left the Fire Hall? Or you're going to stay in the public is. Nice. It's fine time. Pattern? Putting that. He got to win back to back now let's eat them up even though roughhouse morning. I'm not I'm if I could get the titus shop can the Titus? Title I can I and Yoshi management. Let go into rank listen. Yet neither one do I saw so we were. Just working for says I'm UCA's I'm going to sign the contract. The fine. Print. The fine print means that. Mario has an immediate rematch now. Mario and Rica choose to be like Yo. I'm not doing it this week, every gigabit I all I. if you ain't available because Mario's in driver's seat is his rematch right now is Andy until he proves that he not. So Mario says, Yo next week is on every got to say, Mario, says yo scheduled for the following week and Rica. And negotiate to leave for this week but he's got to have you know reason. But you know if they do extend the denim briquets the free to take interim fight and Mario takes the risk. Of Enrica possibly losing because when you in a fight is fifty fifty no matter what a punch lands lands. I just got a text from Janjay promotions asking me to take fight would do me the bat channel. That's why it is going to get views on. What's On that. But. I. Literally in on skype that the head. mckeag. Yo Mario. Duck and his workday he did show. To his man and he's looking like food or what you need to come back home. If you WANNA turn around and I'm telling you need the right promotion is looking at that looking like they keeping you down man. In Days Melissa I'd never played the sandbox beat you're saying so like you know. I like I like doing theater to distal truth. Only reason why needed to promotion because like I'm I'm a call it is I'm not savvy with all the contracts stuff man and I don't like Albatross artists in that regard. It's like I'LL WANNA look at no contract put the fight in front of me and let me let me do what I do I. Don't want to be thinking about you know what I mean to fights three fights rematch clause just I need good representations. So you know I mean I ca promotion is one thing our promote ourselves you know what I'm saying but to kind of you know what I'm saying I don't like to get caught up in that ship tippy taking on my artistic spirit. Minority I. saw. Thirteen minutes left to live. We got we got five minutes left do me a fifty four percents and JP forty six? That's pretty much done daily. Lou Muted Mario I mean a done deal Leo he and my bad press the button on much. My little Yo I got a piece of advice received on my end from one of the. Of the corner. Call the subliminally. I took it as advice you know I'm going to say I'm just going to have to come harder for Mario host balls no hose ball. Okay. Hold on the bars no holding on boss. Now, not concerned about phillies hurt none of that. No. No. No No. No concern. What fit shouldn't where we? Super Mario Scott. I think he's just picking up the house because when he lost, he just went ape shit. Just kicked. I'm seeing a lot of. Ashi like sweep the floor now Mario. All into the room started hitting baggage should. He not. He knocked the plants over. Let me. Let me double check these super task. So we could get a bottle here. Don't forget to subscribe to the Youtube Channel Thinking today we might reach that Sixteen K and by K I mean a hundred and sixteen k. Oh. There's only nine, hundred, sixty, seven so we need. Abou. Thirty or so and some change you take me back to life two. Days. Tip set days. Somebody else said that in. Some I also that in the Which I got to know how to get on his be Kamal Cash. That's the that's the beach you send Me Right I'm pretty sure it's to be essential. So you shy son already written that. Focus on this. I like to hit that I. Like to hear that you focus on the task ahead and not worrying about collaboration with your man's Joe Yeah, quick another quick shout wireless bloodshot dot com they sent over a free set of wireless ear. Buds. and. Remember air. Buds look I don't make anything but I tell you one thing but my daughter. The real ones? For Two fifty. He sent me. In a man. Because now, I only use these right because I got the other actually I don't own right I leave one set in a car and this in the. House. Main so TB. Gets you ten percent off and we all make nothing we just hooking you up and he sent me this just to show you got accessories on wireless bus shot dot com you know what I'm saying. My Little Gennady Gluskin. Buds case, you just clip it. So you low hip and not lose it and remember I. Know I'm just giving you good advice. You don't WANNA lose this. Won't be buying it again fifty, nine, ninety, nine, free shipping free shipping. Get you some. And he's one of the community members you understand what I'm saying he's he he's been listening to the show for like fires you already know. Lifetime Warranty Lifetime Bormio. That's real. Jumping on now, people say you've been ducking this beat. You know. Yeah, recorded. Message. We sent this tomorrow. He was supposed to unveil it Thursday talking about on garage band so I didn't have you had to finish it when it's too late. So you got the verse we want to hear. We want to right now I I. Did on the be your wireless there but but that. BUYING WIRELESS EAR BUDS SHOP DOT COM says who's going to win those Air Buds and then the fall Mez says. I did that and then Louisville slugger says you said that and then big mix says you said that and then Ryan says Mario you said that so we good I don't know what you're talking about we missed in Mr. Mr Mr Dumi. DUMI DAYS With a Miss Anything you say we missed Ryan's now Ryan had it. You really wanted married get. Sees Morio why take the Russian Money Champ when your boss Don King took most of the Hindu order bars. Oh, most of the Canadian. Border bars get new management champ ASHTEC three times mom May Ryan I am going to be three times. Re. You'll meet at ryman pulse closed. What man? You whereabouts the polls. Trying to Ryan but you a troll. So Colorado. Oakland. Boxing bars. Bold. When I get Jersey is. Ankles GonNa get broke. Up. Fold. Pulls the close right. So I'm GonNa say this man Joe I jumped on this like ago. First Time that I actually. A beat. I. Never Right on the beat and I was like damn. You know last time you know some people was like yo he's kind of Bars is kind of dry counted me out last time. So I came back and I'm like it's. Time I mean, obviously, I didn't do it right before the battle this time I had like two hours but then a whole bunch of stuff happened shout out the Sony Man you know what I'm saying we all got families we got bills and Shit to take care of this morning I had to go to the bank and I went to three banks dude and it was like the unemployment line out there. And I couldn't I was going to battle for my phone while I was in line and actually got to meet a couple of people. To to the fellows with me, they online, they they subscribed and they're probably listening to the BACHELORETTE's right now but I came on and I had this beat that I had you to. And I tried it out was a fucking. Let me just put on the beat this time because usually I just write without nothing and I put a beat on it and then like right when I was like too far into writing and the time was already clutch I'm like Damn I'm not GonNa have this beat so like the way I spit my flow you're not gonNA. Commit you put your headphones on and just cut me off. Now. You haven't anyway I can. I can let me Oh man. And you never give me the law. Is One. I'm Oh I WANNA know I. WanNa. Know who are you talking to? Who are you talk to the told you to write a fucking song to a beat? The audience can't hear. Nobody talking to you right now. You said I can. Do said I I heard that you should not be writing A. Letter from my lawyers or you might get. In a saw to. The data arsenault. Talking to the people, right. So yeah, I wrote this I wrote this rap off a beat but where's the beef I I? Definitely put the beat all right now in my ear and I guess brock out like that it ain't GonNa work we need to be. But I can't put somebody's beat up the. Credit to the to the I know the producer's name and all that, but we're not going to do that here. But that was it man I? Can you know I did the song when I was fucking line and go to the bank and can you? Can You? Can You admit that it was wrong you to use a song that you can't play to the audience does listen. So you saw. I was saying before you came have phone. because. You are here. Well, in Hollywood you know plenty of people right to A. B. You fill me it's it's it's not that you can do it. It's just I win in two song like Stone said I went to songs like I didn't keep it battle. Is Two weeks back to back. Excuse you better. Get your stuff together row nobody wanNA listen to you. Just talk talk talk you battle two weeks in a row you gotTA. Do. Is. It don't don't he ready for you to take you. Janus stumbling. Immune off tide is representation type. Call them in half your. Desk. This guy something else you earn them, call them lemon and up dead. Listen you WANNA go there. You're going to end up day. They're not GonNa do for your career. And, if you WANNA be sold the law. That means you don't want to I got to tell you the truth a guy. In the truth that you say that I'm a slacker through. New Behind the scenes so for you. Say to the public that I'm a slacker that she is. So I said I said I said, you shouldn't be in a Chicago. I said you shouldn't be writing a song. To beat the daycare here. That's all I'm saying. I'm I'm a I'm a jump in because I've done that and one. Had, nothing to do with the beat you know audience just had to do with me finding the flow Oh yeah. Oh. Yes. He the flow you taking shots at the stable he found the flow. Doubt. Was Actually Dad by. Third Promotional Company to come in broke because I I'm finishing it. Yeah J.. J. I I'm calling our is there another promote? And feel his pain you feel me. Listen tell. What don't pull a Curtis Harper? I show up this I'm tell to this and I'm GonNa tell you. If you WanNa, whole cross the street, and see if his green. Ahead, I advise you to keep me on as an adviser as you see your six and Oh you know. I could take you to court. It would be very difficult fleet approve. Bob Arum let me let me see. Let me, speak? I take you to call and have you side Lomb because. It would be very easy for me to prove to any judicial system. Any judge that I've done right by you are six in. Oh in mandatory position or your fights have rematch closes out even know what you're talking about champ, i. got you the rematch. This guy because the public. Felt some type of way I I mean you can't even prove that I don't represent you properly. 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So they could see he got a nice stat that I love when he when he puts I don't even tell me he puts in I just laugh he's always taking shots. You know what I'm saying type the Stat Jeff. Come on. We GonNA. Go. See you went. With doesn't. Golden Boy Right now man what state you looking for. Let Jeff put it. That's his stat. See maybe you know maybe maybe I'm not in the right stable man, you know you like you like you like a rapper Garcia. All these fighters able. You can't you Probably only when you fight a look bad you ready to let them go real quick I'll know you got too many stars here man. I think. Really boss exactly. I see the running real loss of of the Dumi. Rain is saying A. Contract Airtight contract airtight already spoke to your manager. Ma You know saying. It is what it is. You just sit there and smell the photo. It's a photo op, take the pictures you keeping me on here. By. Top rank I'm out keeping you only. Pay. As. I offered you decide at Mario you want you like I wanna drop to singles I'm trying to you try to do your Nick Jonas so whatever. I got a feeling about this. Album. With the Jones brothers. Now because you know. They got it. Right then. And one of them went solo. ME. The one. Common Sex and poaching I understand the fight is perspective from from the losing side. I'm like that friends that you hate the love how did you love the Hey. You got team Texas promotion saying there by you out champ. So you're not the only brand out here. They don't get enough money in the contract I gotta I gotTa Six undefeated fight at a mandatory. You'd think but take you to court for so long that you and your dogs will be sleeping outside. China and Mikey Garcia. I need the law the law groups of both perspective promotional companies interested. I. We're going to have to go to war if the. Behind the away I was in the moment I was in the moment it was it was all the chicks. In what is. Now out Mendez you. Got To pick up my daughter. They said that Thursday's usually work for for for Gary? So if he if he confirms on its uh-huh nurse loose under Metaphor Tober. in Los. Angeles Oh my God. Let's schedule. while. Keeping all the Info for yourself. Oh nest he mentioned. Wow Bro. Wow Luke Santamaria has next fights a big fight I know. Like that but I think he's undefeated very. Is he ready. He's undefeated. The kid this is going to be a serious fight. Wow, and you know what? Paul Crow. Is from that Philadelphia area. So I'm sure he knows I gotta get him on his show now I'm sure he knows the other do was my man I hate to say. That Fox was his name. Wow another undefeated why they doing loop like this man I also. This. Yet undefeated. Crazy. Breaking doing alright a story, you ain't GonNa be. Fox England. Now, they got it on boxer already A. Louis. Bra But why are they doing what they doing? A Santamaria Lucas Lucas Lucas. Luke Luca Santa Monica. Look. It that. Urgency Argentines lack of. smashed. Joe. But that's crazy Santamaria they keep putting them tough. Tough tough. It's like PBC say yo you be do we want to kill you? Michael. Michael Fox yeah. Well first, they put them in with talent. He beat them they put them in with Jones. He beat them ninety put them in with well well, tele got the draw, but he deserved to be he was supposed to win. Damn they call crow the punisher. Lou Who's Who's Willie Willie Jones? Willie Jones. Willie Jones. and. That's all he wasn't as side as he was. He these fights PGA fights day. Gave Him. And he was the besides him, he beat the guys that he wouldn't be. Even Mc. I saw that. Yeah. No the Fox fight I i. You know I knew that and I saw that it's like the I didn't know Willie. Jones y'all how tall is crawl Crawl UH. Five nine ish well, not sure I guess guys five am at least. So this is going to be a the is five eight this. Is Not going to be that whole chasing them. They're GONNA Bang here. All my life. I hate when they have one fighters reach and not the other. No I'm spitting them out about that. You about the receiver. But the spirit you know saying. Is. The third. US. Saying now, IOTA PTR to man. But let me see if I could get it again, Bro Shit, shit is over. They come in for my own I never let it go. They try five times, but they never caught the flow burning caddy big up INFO job. I'm ready. John. Snow. It's a flight. It's a Nah. Dave. It's a fight toe to toe spin. Spence versus Puerto Low blow bright lights you break in putting on a show. Tommy gig gritty saying. Dumi. Done Ya silly. One more worse border wars with the daily Danny Garcia. See the beat is crazy. I did the whole song to the beat man. I'm glad I got it. I got it that good the first time but. Yeah, man, let me just stop chain. Twitter more McGee on instagram. Go ahead. Sorry I was going to say Ryan Supachai. Going with the negativity Sam beginning of the end for CPI in house fighting. ooh. Is Beginning to end nine. I get my mandatory rematch in. and become the champion again. I'm sorry I gotTa beat my friend. In re gay. Of Ghia. McGill. Con. Gear was worse to give the curse thing. Last. Line those a dope line y'all Qigong me sick and I get a fight. Oh, I thought you thought it was a promoter. I thought you understand fight dog come back home. And you can handle I'm scratching the style going back to battle Yo own with me come back to E. C. P.. By e in the guy to worry come home me. I try to pull a song move I. Know, but you don't want to you. Know they call me. But I've been giving gold advice for three weeks. You've been trying to do singles for three weeks I'm saying. Now you know what we're to talk behind the scenes, right? You know what I'm saying but like I'M GONNA just battle every week no more songwriting until I got the belt. Strap season we. got. You See. This is lackluster for me man do it. You See IRA face twisted. He starts smirked when you said until I got the distract, he's already visualizing a second win. Over Mario, he sees that you talking about him even thinking I got beat Mario again you've seen that Mario you better get senior seen that you saw 'cause I'm like Click Clack I'm Jeff Kuni Mario won't put him on his back. I let the crowd influence me in the fight. You know how you you? Shave fighting a booth. I started off. DUMI LEMON had 'cause I be crying. It had. Don't have. 'em. Flintstone. Eight gemstones raises don't be wasting all of them bars as. Cash. S I got to pick up my daughter Stone Boomerang case member stone poor. I gotTA. Remember. that. Upgraded Yo, you want to raise stone bone. Well. And that's a no fellows going to pick up malloy. WHO's not?

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Trent vs. Redskins

The Kevin Sheehan Show

1:15:36 hr | 1 year ago

Trent vs. Redskins

"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to the sports fix. Did you pick up on that yawn? Aaron right there that get picked up. Just leave it in there. Yeah I just yawned. It's better than coughing. Which is what Tommy doing moments ago. Tommy you are those I was. You're right I know what my cough is from. Do you know what your office from. Yeah absolutely what's what's your from. No I don't have the room okay. You have to no. I've got allergies. There's no doubt the pollen today. It's a beautiful day. It's warm and it's it's an allergy cough. I know I know I know the difference. I don't know the difference because I've never had the Rona I mean. Who knows maybe I do? Have the Ronin may symptomatic you know because a lot of people apparently ha ha you know have at it or have it in aren't getting any symptoms but well coughing would be Simpson. So that wouldn't be symptomatic. That's true but I don't have at least I don't feel like I have right now. A fever I don't have shortness of breath Both of those things could develop when I leave here. I'm GONNA knock on wood as I say that But I don't think I have the Rona D do You. You don't think what is your cough from. Just your bronchial issues of the last six years now. I have our well okay. Did you have something else going on to? Which is why you couldn't join me on the podcast yesterday. Are you okay? Do you have gout. Did you tell the doctor off? Well I didn't tell the doctor off the doctor. I was having another attack in my right foot. It was swollen and it was very painful. Small Boys You keep giving people. He's not as painful as it was in Florida but it was painful and she said well she wanted to see me right away because she wanted to see it. You know to be able to evaluate it in its full glory Sosa did she looked at it and said yet scout. Did you say I told you that the other day? Yeah kind of put. I understand why you know they. I mean my fuck look normal the other day and she just wanted to see it just to make sure so She prescribed some medicines including steroids. Again to calm it down and Put me on some kind of Gal medicine. So we'll see what happens. It's fine today. Actually find today. Am I right about what I'm going to say? That being on a steroidal medication right now can weaken your immune system. I have no idea okay so I think it's Frank. I think it strengthens youth okay. I thought that I read that. Anybody taking sort of steroids In in prescription meds that it can actually impact in weaken your immune system right now and no-one no-one obviously once a weakened immune system right now right. She didn't mention anything about necessarily anything you say when it comes to medicine. Let's not worry. That's fair but Kit Ma'am. May I make a recommendation? No I'm going to do it anyway when we're done you are when we're done with the podcast. I would like you to call her and I would liked. I'd like you to ask her whether or not the medication you're on impacts your immune system anyway. Will you do that for me or not? I'm just curious on that guy that honey. You'RE NOT GONNA do that. You can't you out there okay. I'm not GonNa do that here. All right Very good That's fine that's fine. I think I might be right in some of you can just tweet both. Tommy at Tom. Lavoro Kevin Sheehan DC. As to. Whether or not I'm right or wrong. Don't play me about a-block you. You will not accept tweeted medical advice. Will you tweet out a picture of your foot? It's okay now normal now. Okay good well. That's what's most important or that's what's most bring it back to normal and allow you right to go out for some of those walks around the around the home around the community home that you're in our home. Everybody in a home is okay hanging in there. Do it okay. We got what Half a year more to go. Do you think that that's true? I don't know nobody knows. I don't think anybody really knows that's what I mean. I think that I think the risk is that for people that it's I mean like you said you can be a carrier and not have it. You can be a symptomatic and not have it so people. I mean like the areas that we think are healthy. Now all it takes like look. Don't mean geographic locations that we think are not a problem now all taste is a couple of people travel in that area and then it starts getting spread around so I mean while I felt like I kind of had a handle on what was coming. I have no idea what was what's coming now. I think that that's really what my position is. It's like you know I I read. I watched the you know the growing debate about whether or not the virus will have more impact Negative impact On on this world or the economic depression that we could be approaching would have as much if not more of a negative impact on our country and I and I understand that debate and I'm I'm open to both sides I to me. I just don't know that you can definitively say where this thing is going. I think that like Dr Burks. Who by the way? She's very impressive. As is foul cheering by the way. I've been very critical of the president's press briefings which have been anything but brief. The last two days have been massive improvements because in part he's done twenty minutes instead of an hour and a half and then got the hell out of the way and let Berks county a handle it. She's very impressive. But you know. I sat there and I listened to her yesterday and I can do the math of understanding that the one number we do know are the number of deaths associated with corona virus. And the number that we don't know but has to be higher is the number of infections and therefore the fatality rate is going to keep going lower. Is we find out about more of the infections that either we didn't know because they weren't tested or we are just learning about Because they were primarily symptomatic. So I understand that. Some of these numbers in some of these wild speculative numbers about fatality rates. Being in the three to four percent range are probably more likely than not going to be wrong with that. Said what she keeps talking about his talked about the last two days. Which is you know preparing for the second wave of this next fall in next winter. You know I think is a bit ominous you know in making sure that we have treatments in place and you know there. There's lots of progress on that in. Hopefully having a vaccine at that point ready to go so there does seem to be a lot That isn't known even though I mean. She essentially admitted they don't know the number of infections you know they don't know the exact number and I and I can understand why I mean there's a lot of people that have had this or habit in. Don't they have it. You're absolutely right I can't wait till Easter Sunday when we all go to church. I don't know I mean I don't think personally as much as I've been you know Certainly Gist observational critical of the communication. The leadership in this. I don't think he's going to go against the medical. And the scientists and stuff I don't riches people are encouraged people to know he can't because ultimately the states we'll have the final say In this but I just don't think but I if we get the eastern week in in foul she and burks or saying. It's irresponsible to add to to to encourage people to fill churches on Easter Sunday. I don't think he'll do it. I don't think he will either. Who Much of a political risk? It's well well. Yeah I mean it's more than I mean I mean what you've heard from berks end from Is that during these task force meetings they have I. It's they've gone much better than perhaps the press conferences or press briefings have gone with respect with respect to him. You know not arguing with the science or the medicine him being very supportive of it so I don't know but you know I think your original points stands. I don't think anyb- I I think the one concern would be that. Nobody really knows like I said to you. I think a week ago my CDC neighbor explained to me that with murders and saw ours that the health community still to this day doesn't know why either one died out that there's not a medical explanation for it and there's so much unknown viruses with they do know is that it's highly contagious so contagious. It's a surface spreading virus which is always a significant concern and that you know Even though the death rates are low it doesn't mean that the next wave of it won't be higher if there is another wave we don't know we don't but we never know you know go through life thinking we we're you know we make our plans. Were so certain about what we're doing but we never really know what's around the corner. I'll tell you what I I think I think right now. Hope for people. It's really getting to the point for families who with hunker down all over the world and our country in our state in our areas in which we live in and around the area where it's tough. I'll tell you I. My guess is it's toughest on those parents with younger kids. You know younger kids. Who WOULD HAVE BEEN IN SCHOOL Younger kids who you know may have You know that out of a routine now. My kids are older. Your kids are much older. It's so much easier for me. Then you know a mother and father at home or just a single parent at home with young kids it gets challenging when you now have to essentially come up with stuff for them to do you know eighteen hours or sixteen hours a day rather than you know. Seven or eight. You know if they're not in school in particular. I can't imagine how how that would be really can't try to think back to my kids and and trying to keep them under control and I can't imagine what that that life that would be. That would be much more stressful. And I'm going no doubt look. I've got older boys who are at home. The biggest challenge really is what are we gonNA do for dinner tonight. You know and coming up with an answer to that one now. Fortunately you know and I hope this continues to be the case. You know I'm working. You know I'm in a studio by myself except when Erin comes in for the podcast and we're more than six feet away and we're all washed up Rawal. You know We're we're all hand sanitizer down here But at least that takes up I mean thank God you know. I'm able to work and I feel for those of you. That aren't I mean it's awful? I understand that economically and otherwise but Yeah I mean if I I think my cable bill every month would be six hundred dollars because of the movies you'd be buying. Yeah Yeah exactly Anyway also you know before we get started on some of the news of the day I do if I haven't said this already because the numbers for the show have been really really great. Um which. I can't begin to tell you how much I appreciate that. And Tommy appreciates it. Narran appreciate on because some of you have said some very nice things about how it's great to be able to listen to the podcast that it's a nice sort of diversion. If you will being able to do it you know is a great diversion for us. Too So it's been It's been great so I I appreciate all of all of that All of us do in. We obviously wish everybody the best in the best of healthier All right there's there's been A lot of of news here regarding a Trent Williams every single day. It's like the gift that keeps on giving And yesterday he went on with your radio station went on with grant. Danny W JFK. One six seven the fan and there were several things I think it was. I was his age is that went on. I'm sorry I did that. I did that this morning. Trenton didn't go on Vince. Taylor the agent went right. Thank you very much went on this follows. You know his statement that he put out the other day through Adam. Schefter follows along to you. Know tweeted out thread from Diana Rossini about things that she had learned with respect to the Trent Williams redskin situation. We went through a lot of that Yesterday and the day before or yesterday and on Tuesday And yesterday Vince Taylor went on radio local radio and there were many things that he said during the course of this interview There was one particular part of what Vince Taylor said on JFK. Yesterday that I wanna get to the gave me more. Maybe a lot of clarity on the way I feel about this right now and I'll get to that in a moment but some of things he said included. The Taylor said that when Trent was in the hospital you know after the surgery on his scalp In Chicago he said no one came to see him And remember when we first heard about that you know a lot of people that was part of Tommy remember when everybody was pro Trenton situational and and by the way it would be easy to believe right because the redskins are horrible organization with horrible people. And that's terrible. How you know. Why didn't people from the organization you know visit him well? John Bent Standing. A few others reported you know well after the fact that actually the REDSKINS head athletic trainer Larry Hess who everybody including Trent had a problem with was in Chicago for a full week during that particular surgery so someone from the organization was there that he said that he had spent several days with. Trent. Afterwards it was also reported that Snyder Bruce Allen and others in the organization reached out multiple times and were never. You know responded to during that course of time it also was said by the agent that the meeting with Ron Rivera. That's now been reported multiple times to have been very short with Trent Williams. Ten to fifteen minutes in length. That Taylor said yesterday that Trent was off put by it because he essentially said look man. You gotta come in and prove yourself you know and it wasn't like hey how're you doing? How's your family? You know we want you to be a part of our plans. And apparently Trent was also upset that Ron Rivera had met with other free agents before meeting with him including a guy like Greg Olsen who had played with Rivera. Remember transgender contract. Some of these other guys that he may have had conversations with our actual free agents. But here's the part to me. That gave me clarity Tommy and it's this particular line. First of all. He talks about the contract and says the money that's been reported that trend's asking for is nowhere near what the reports have been that he's not looking for twenty million dollars or more per year. But here's the line right quote. The contract has never been the hold up. It's never been about the contract. Trent has never made demands on a contract closed. Quote if that's true. Well then what are we talking about here come in and play? What are we talking about? If it's never been about a contract the guy that you want gone more than anybody else that you distrusted that you said was a major reason for the holdout. Bruce Allen is gone Larry has the the head athletic trainer. Gone All right the guy that you professed a love. Dan Snyder which has been mentioned. Multiple Times is still here and he went out and he hired a coaching staff and a head coach that is widely respected as a great players coach. So what are we talking about? Here get an employee you're under contract. Okay we're still back to the same situation here. I mean I wouldn't believe anything at came from either side at this point. I wouldn't necessarily believe well I do believe that. Trent obviously you know what was going through a lot with the cancer situation but other than that Any of the reports about Larry Hess being there for a week. I mean is Larry has said that. No time and standing reported it away. Do you think they got it from? They probably got it from Larry. Hasn't somebody from the Redskins? I guess but Dan but I actually think I could be wrong about this but I think Trent did actually at that October. Press Conference admit that Larry has was there. I think he knew that when I don't know because because they're completely and they haven't been on the same page. Why would trent glued to a discussion about a new contract? And the the agent say yesterday it's never been about the contract. Well that's because that's ridiculous there. It's it's it's ridiculous on both sides. My whole point is ron re. The the REDSKINS had still have not gotten their arms around this thing. They still have no control over this thing even though they have control over. Trent. It's still an issue. Here we are what You know eight months later nine months later and Ron Rivera could've taken care of right from the start. He could have either gotten a handle as to. What was this all about right from the beginning and he could have met with Trent early on the biggest issue. That really The redskins had to deal with last year. And say to either you know. Tell Him we want you. But we can't do that you know we can't give you a raise or something like that or at least have a handle on the situation so he could say to. Trent. Then look you know we we we. We're not that we're not GonNa pay you that much moving forward. We're going to do everything we can to trade you Or or if you WANNA go ahead and work out of trade. That's fine. He could have done that two months ago. You know I mean this is. What's what's the best thing for the organization is to put this behind them and they did nothing to do that. And only exasperated. I agree with you and I said as much and upset as much with you that if it had been me I would have reached out to. Trent would have been one of the first things. I would have done Okay it would have been but you know to be honest with you for him to be overly sensitive about not being reached out to I. I also have a problem with that I would have. I would have done it that way. But you know Ron Rivera has a mountain of a challenge here in changing a culture okay. So it had a. You know a lot of priorities when he first got here hiring a new coaching staff. In and by the way you know addressing the players that don't have contracts next year before addressing potentially the players that do have contracts right now which Trent Williams has I again I think I would have done that but I also have a problem with. Trent being overly sensitive to the fact that it wasn't done remember the Jerry Brewer Story. Tommy were Jerry. Brewer referred to Trenton rooms as being super upset about them. Drafting Jaren Christian in the third round. I think we're learning that. Trent Williams is sort of highly sensitive to not being. You know paid attention to in a certain way or dealt with in a certain way. And all I'm saying is if you'RE GONNA have your agent go out there and say this isn't about a contract you know the contracts never been the hold up it's never been about the contract. Trend is never made demands on a contract. Then what are we talking about? If we got rid of the people that Trent didn't want why is why does he? Demand Trade now. Then because Ron Rivera slighted him by not calling him early enough. That's ridiculous I mean. It's you know football players. You know athletes there so Tom Brady wanted to get out of New England because after three super bowls they drafted Jimmy Garoppolo. I mean this is what this is. What the what the greatest athletes do. They're very sensitive. I mean Jordan. It was it was it was what drove Jordan. I mean Michael Jordan. He was very sensitive about everything so the fact that Trent does not act like a normal person like you or I might ask. It goes with the territory of who they are. Most of these guys are Prima Donnas. Some what's more worse than others some more manageable than others but I mean you look. Nobody looks good on this thing and I think the pick sides. It's just doing what Bruce Challenges I think. Everyone who say all the fancy takes his personally are missing the point. The point is what's the best thing for my team. What's best for my team? It's like the owner needs at what's best for the organization. Every day. He wakes up in the morning and I mean to be offended by Trade Williams At this point it misses the point sending trends offended by the bye. Bye Rivera's handling of him so far right according to your fan. What do you care what Trade Williams thinks at? This point is is quantum gone. So you know a couple of things number one. I don't believe the agent. Let's start with that so when I say that. The agent statement gave me clarity. It's like if you're going to say that then then then come in and play. Don't Gimme this bullshit about about Rivera not treating you in a certain way. You've gotten what you wanted. You Got Bruce. Allin gone you've got Larry has gone. You know it's not about money so let's go play football. We'll assess at the end of the year but of course it's about money and of course it's about the contract and I think that's a big problem for Trent here. Tommy is that the owner the owner the agent in his discussions this week. Both through Adam schefter and now through Jfk sounds desperate to change the narrative again. And he's not doing a good job of it. You know a year ago. This was all pro Trent. Now it's pro team in part because Allen's not there and in many ways the redskins are going to be given at least the benefit of the doubt for a while and by the way this waffling back and forth about medical money you know I think people are starting to see through it so I know you believe it's time to move on because you don't need the disruption I think what we're hearing from his agent is they really need an end to this thing because the longer it goes on. It's not good for his client. You know they're losing leverage by the day and they're losing the PR battle in this as well. You Know Trent Williams. I need to to mention something real quickly because I got this wrong And J Halsell our good friend former agent former NFL executive You know I got with him yesterday and he actually came on the radio. Show this morning but basically I said earlier in the week that the new CBA Basically was incredibly more punitive for holdout situations that if you held out for more than five days that your contract would essentially be delayed all right and Trent would come back with still one year remaining on the contract if he were to hold out. It's not true It is much more punitive on players holding out. And I'll get to that in a moment there were very confusing summaries of this portion of the new CBA that actually confused some agents and teams as well but with with with that said I should have read the fine print in the fine print says that Trent's accrued too many seasons so he's not impacted by this if he were to hold out and then come in by week eleven. I think it is like he did last year. Then he would get credit for twenty twenty season so now as a practical matter. Trent Williams can't hold out again. He can't sit out a second year and then expect to get some sort of big deal in two thousand twenty one you know. He's got to play football this year. You know whether it's with the new team that he gets traded to or it's this team like I still think the Redskins have a tunnel leverage with the exception of the redskins need some clarity on their left tackle position to you. Know it's like. Are we going to go out and sign somebody else? Jason Peters or who by the way is represented by the same agent or resigned. Donald Penn. You know you can't go out and get Jason Peters as long as Trent Williams counts on your book on your on your Cap So the redskins need some some clarity to this as well but I guess one of the things I wanted to point out is that you know the narrative I think has changed on this. Tommy why why? Why would Trent Williams at this point care about the PR narrative? That's not the same thing as the industry narrative. I'm sure that inside inside. Nfl offices you know while they don't like a player who does something like this. They roll their eyes and they say well. It's the redskins. What do you expect? I'm sure that's still goes on even with Ron Rivera in place. The same guy still owns the team so I don't think this hurts. Trent Williams said all with any front offices who would want Trent Williams to play for them. And that's the only audience this as and cares about. Now he's just there's just gonNa make life more difficult for the Redskins now. Some they should have done initially like when this first started instead of trying to lay low and speak to surrogate. They're gonNA make life more difficult for the redskins which is going to decrease the redskins leverage as we get closer to whatever season will be to the point where I think the redskins have no choice but to trade for whatever they get I just I so disagree with that First of all I don't see it being disruptive to the redskins right now. In fact every time that agents speaks I think it helps the Redskins Secondly second with with its customer base in its fan base and I think secondly there about that. I'm I'm sorry. Why would the aging care about their cut? The redskins customers and fan. I don't I'm saying that the team doesn't care about this. Being continued to be put out there. Because it's not at this point changing the way people feel about them like I think people are actually more protein now than they are pro pro player in this confrontation. Thunk fit from a football fans. Why well why? There's nothing going on right now. Anyway right they don't have an answer at at but they don't have to come up with the answer today. I'm saying that the the only aspect this that is uncomfortable for the team is at some point. They're going to have to make a decision on left tackle and I agree with you that that does put them a little bit at a disadvantage but I think the overwhelming disadvantage is sort of you know with Trent Williams trillions needs wants a new contract and wants to play football next year and doesn't want to play here. I I also disagree with you With respect to whether or not this is hurting him. In League circles I think all of the reporting Albert brewers reporting in particular about him asking in wanting delusional money is turning teams off to Trent Williams. Now again his agent you know basically contradicts all that in terms of what they're asking for and he says it's not even about contract you know and it's never been about the contract but all of the reporting you know Albert breer. Most recently is that he's hearing it's one hundred percent. The reason deal that hasn't been done is one hundred percent because of what Trent Williams once in a new deal. There's a lot of you know clearly both sides. It's like it's hard to really decipher what's going on here. The agent says it's not about money the reporting is they're asking for too much money right. The team is saying that. Go ahead and seek a trade rope into it. And then the agent saying that they're turning down the trades that are available in their. Don't they're essentially outrageous in terms of their demands which John said is a second round value? Which doesn't seem that outrageous to me But I don't know that the League is right now blaming the redskins for this. I'm sure they did a year ago because it was bruce. I don't know that the League is looking at this. Saying this is all on the redskins. I think the only thing Lee cares about is contract Williams play. I think that's the only thing front office executives will care about. I don't think they could care less about any of the posturing and I think in fact if I'm a NFL Front office executive. I'm thinking this guy is just doing what everybody else that's tried to get. Outta redskins. Park is doing at this point. I think the red skins did not lose the reputation they have that they Ron Rivera got higher. I Dunno I think Ron Rivera being here and Bruce Allin being gone At least for a moment until proven otherwise fair enough and more likely than not it will be proven otherwise that that they may be viewed differently By by the rest of the league I think Ron Rivera is a highly respected guy in this league in you know when it comes to whether or not he can play. That's part of this issue to Trent. William sat out the entire season last year. The last time he played was twenty eight team. He missed three games in two thousand seventeen. He missed six games and in two thousand sixteen he got suspended for four games. So it's been awhile since. Trent has played at a super high level consistently and then he held out last year. You know the bottom line is this agent has done. Trent Williams any favors with the amount of money. He's he's lost. He should have reported last year and gone straight to injured reserve. That seems to me to be out of all of the discussion about this. The the the biggest mistake it too. Big Mistakes Bruce not trading him when when he should have and Trent listening to his agent about not reporting trench. Shoulda reported gone straight to injured reserve when there would have been a legitimate reason for him to be on injured reserve after multiple surgeries to his scalp in the off season and not lost any money. Because this guy and I I agree with you on both those counts and the minute he got here started banging the drum about wanting to leave. He's got they should have been doing it from Redskins Park every day. The problem is quiet instead of being quiet about it. And let the occasional work out through one of his friends. The problem is if he had gone that route and been banging the drum. They would've answered the call which they did. Which is getting rid of Bruce Allen and getting rid of Larry S and now where are you now you? They've done what you asked them to do. So now. What's the issue? Well we know issue is the issues money. Even though the agents says it's not like I think if he banged it's rum from from day one. It would become so untenable that they would have dealt they said would have had and at this point and the other thing you know you keep saying the Redskins just you know you know. Go ahead sit out. You know we'll just play without you. I mean that they don't. They're not paying them that they're they're carrying. It's coury on their cap it and that's money that's money that could be used to sign a free agent. No doubt don't hurting the team. Well that's what I said that. That is the one thing working against them. Right now is not only carrying that number but the sort of uncertainty around a very important position on their team you know so without if they move on from. Trent if they get what they want say a second round or the equivalent thereof two-thirds are you know a fourth and a player or something like that and they're able to move on from from him then they have now can go solve that problem. Which is you know signing Jason Peters to a two year dealer re-signing Donald Penn. or whatever they would. Do you know to come up. Because I don't think this guy. Cornelius Lucas is. The answer is a starter. He might be Maybe they think differently about Jaren Christian. I have no idea. I think that the idea that you have and that others have. You're not alone on this that it's time to move on and take whatever you can get is sort of this notion of. Trent represents the past not the future. Let's move on the problem I have with that. Is that what you get back for? Trent does represent the future and second rounders a hell of a lot better than fifth rounder. And so I would at least wait this out until the draft because when you get to the drag and teams and that's only another month okay. It's only another month because goodell has pushed forward with the draft And is not moving the date on that I would wait until the draft win. Teams may say you know what that left tackle that I was hoping to get in the draft. I didn't get now. I will give up a second round or it might be twenty twenty one. Second Rounder Tommy but I would wait until the draft at the very least the redskins. Okay I get the understand that but I and I don't know what the what the cap hit is for trade waves next year. I'm thinking sitting around ten million dollars. Well it's nothing. I don't fear. You mean and twenty twentieth coming year. Oh It's it's twelve point. Five million dollars if he plays fourteen five total something like that. Okay so I'm you basically. Is that amount of money that you can't spend for the next year worth the difference between a second or third round pick Well the redskins right now have plenty of cap space. That's the thing I never have enough. No well right you can have war. The redskins have roughly thirty million. Like they're six now after the signings of Cody Latimer and some of the others. Recently so there. They've got the sixth most cap space. Obviously if they had gotten the Amari Cooper a deal done which is the big swing. They took. They'd be near the bottom of cap space but they have plenty of cap space. No you're right. It's not like they want to carry Trent salary. Without implying. I understand that but I also at work the difference between the second or third round. Pick you say okay. We're going to eat that. Twelve million dollars because we're not going to accept the third round pick instead of a second Again I would today I would i. Personally I'd call up the agent and I'd say you just went on local radio yesterday and said it's not about the money it's not about the contract that's awesome because we'd love to have. Trent Williams play left tackle force. So can we disagree? That this thing is over and trump's gonNA come in and play next year like. I mean wouldn't that you wouldn't that be your answer. You're listening to the agent yesterday. Like so what? So what is the hold up? Then that Ron didn't call them at a certain time. Get Ron Trent. Back together. And let's work this thing out. We thought it was all about the money all along. This is great news. We thought you guys wanted twenty five million dollars a year. And so did Ron. Which is why Ron was so short with your guy but if you're saying locally and publicly and local radio that it's not about the contract. Hey let's let's make this thing happen. I'd call their bluff on that. I do it in a public setting. Say let's have this conversation on the team. Nine eight or on the Kevin. Sheehan show podcast again. I mean the public relations battle is is not the battle. That's been fought here anymore. Yeah I know but I think the as it went on the air. And they're they're more aggressive. Now just because they want they want to create more dissension even if the dissension is against oil. It's still dissension. Yeah it's just. It's just nonsensical Sort of Like again I mean you see. You can't come on and and essentially say it's never been about the contract and at the same time by the way. Talk about the dollars that we've been asking for an have been reported aren't anywhere near like which is it or is it not about a new contract or is it about a difference in in you know what they could claim they'll pay you and what you want. I mean I. This guy is not handling it well for his client. That's I think very obvious and at the same time the redskins didn't handle it well last year. They should've traded him when the trading opportunities were probably most advantageous For Them I you know I think it's about the money. I think the agents flat out lying in the radio interview. I think that they want a new big deal And they prefer it with a new team. Because they're with this team I bet you with the Redskins went back to him tomorrow and said. Hey We'll pay you you know we'll give you three three year contract extension. You know we're twenty million twenty one twenty two million per year. That money might solve all of these issues but I'm sure he wants to move on What's the difference between a second third for the fourteen million or whatever on the cat number next year I ask me after the draft? Okay I have no problem with them waiting so after the draft. I mean that makes sense and by the way I mean. I'm thinking most of the information about tranquility asking for has come from Redskins Park and my guess is there just as likely lying as Trent Williams as a. That is your default. And you certainly haven't been wrong in the past And I you know I'm not gonNA be lying. They both could everybody quickly. Why I mean I I. I read from various column earlier because Berry sort of had the same reaction that I did with respect to the agents saying it's not about the contract and he's like you know we'll then jump on board And he said Rivera's presence and Allen's absence put Washington in a different position than it's been more than a decade. It's possible now. When controversy arises that the franchises actually in the right the default mode for so long has been Howard the redskins messing this up and no doubt there will be cases of that to come because the owner remains the same chaos remains. The same in chaos seems Seems Somehow Baked into the DNA in Ashburn But he said Rivera's here to fundamentally change the culture. We can debate given Snyder's presence whether that's possible but he should at least be allowed to try with his best players in his best leaders on board Williams as much as anyone should understand that change was needed and desperately if it is never been about the contract why not jump on board. I'm with you. The problem is it's always been about the contract and I think the agent was more likely than not not being fully. I think not being honest At all on that radio and again as much as I think that you know Ron Rivera. Everybody needs to be behind. What Ron Rivera does at this point because I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt moving forward with his strong reputation or around the league. I still think that he mishandled. He could have handled this better from the start to maybe avoid lots of this all right Okay What did I want to get to next I what did you make of the League? Announcement from Roger. Goodell was a memo to all the teams. Excuse me that that Goodell That somehow Adam schefter obtained and basically the draft is going to stand put April twenty third through twenty fifth It's going to be obviously a much different draft. It's not going to be held in Las Vegas Teams are not going to be able to gather in you know war rooms as of now and Goodell served a warning to To all thirty two teams he wrote the memo quote. Public discussion of issues related to the draft serves no useful purpose and is grounds for disciplinary. Action closed quote. There's been already several general managers around the League that have asked that the draft be pushed back. Mickey loomis the GM in New Orleans. On Peter King's podcasts. Said I'd be personally in favour of delaying the drafts that we can get some of the work done that are scouts and our personnel people. Ordinarily do and then just the logistics of trying to conduct the draft with not having access to your draft rooms and your offices creates a lot of logistical problems closed quote. I'm Goodell Also in this memo said quote everyone recognizes that the public health conditions are highly uncertain. And that there is no assurance that we can select a different date and be confident that conditions will be significantly more favorable than they are. Today I also believe Goodell writes that the draft can serve as a very positive purpose for our clubs are fans and the country at large and many many of you have agreed. Closed quote Allot there obviously. I think the headline is the draft is standing put in terms of the dates. And then you know goodell warning teams that public discussion of issues related to this could be grounds for disciplinary action. What do you make of it? Well first of all. I'm sure his his late father The senator Would would be very proud of his son. Putting a gag order on people saying they will be punished off. It's a business I know I know that but It's never a good look and it's never a good practice to do that. And if you're a good boss you don't usually have to do that. the second thing is. I think you know. I don't particularly care if I'm goodell. I don't particularly care about. Gm's and how difficult their work or job is going to be. I don't care I don't care you know your life is tough. Your job is tough. Everybody's got a difficult situation to go through make it work. I think he's right that you know the League was right about free agency. They didn't push that back and I think I think it works out well for the League. I think it worked out for oil for sports fans who had at least some kind of diversion to talk about and I think if they properly and I can't imagine them doing otherwise and if I were NFL before the draft the first thing I would put on is my is my league. Doctors explaining how he league is conducting this draft soupy to be health conscious so be aware of the restrictions at hand. I would literally go on. Tv AND EXPLAIN OUR OUT G OUR UP. We're only allowing one for. I mean you know. People are GonNa be sitting so much a part. They're going to be in different locations. We're not bringing draftees and I would explain. The steps at the League is taken to make this a safe as possible before the draft even began. Yeah basically draft. That we're going to conduct is similar to the draft that we conducted back in one thousand nine hundred fifty eight. This is this is what we're going to do. He did say he or this story. Outlined that general managers are concerned. Basically with several things number one that you know The team facilities are closed. There's not gonna be any time or ability for player. Physicals or gathering psychological testing or getting a further verified information about the players. And that there's not going to be the typical war room you know but I mean they can create a virtual war room. Can't be with technology. I can't I mean I view this south. I don't care about their problems and they all have the same problem if you're sharing in the same burden that nobody has an advantage or assist in less. Tommy and less. Let me just point this out unless in certain states you know there. Are you know there's more ability to sort of convene in groups of ten or less you know? I don't think that'll happen by April twenty third. Well we already said. We don't know what's going to happen. The point is point is what if what if a team in a certain state? Let's just say the packers in Wisconsin have the ability to do more per their state. You know lack of shutdown or rules or whatever there they had the ability to do more than say you know. the giants and the jets. Well then if if that happens and I don't think it's going to happen and the NFL has to make sure everyone plays by the same rules. They can't give the packers and advantage in how they prepare for draft just because they have less restrictions you gotTa have a uniformity about how the draft was conducted for every team. Yep I agree with that. I agree with that that makes toilet again. I'm okay with it. Moving forward with with those. I'm okay with I. Just don't like Fidel. You know strong arm about shutting people up but I'm okay with it moving forward and I want my God not but we're gonNA walk then ever before watch it. What do you mean watching that? We'd have nothing to talk about in the next month if it were delayed so yeah I'm okay with it Given CERTAIN CONDITIONS I. I wanted to get to this radio station team. Nine eighty Dc ultimate sports star bracket that Aaron. I've been talking to and we're down to the sweet sixteen now. Tommy so I think now we get into some heavyweight matchups here And you can weigh in a little bit but for those that haven't voted You know the polls are open for the sweet sixteen voting At team nine eighty on twitter and the team nine hundred dot com as well. It's actually been a great idea. It's been a lot of fun and it's been a tremendous reaction to it We're into the sweet sixteen. All four of the number one seeds have survived to the sweet sixteen Joe Gibbs easily He trounced Ryan Zimmerman in around thirty. Two Walter Johnson crushed Brayden Hopi A round of thirty two to get to the Sweet Sixteen Darryl Green beat Joe thighs men pretty handily and around thirty two Matchup and then Alex Ovechkin blew out Morgan. Wootten in a round of thirty two. He's into the sweet sixteen in actually. All of the two seeds advanced as well sugar. Ray Leonard Beat Russ Grimm Rigaud beat Gary Clark Tommy after beating Clinton Portis Max. Scherzer took out Joe Jacobi And Sammy baugh knocked out. Dexter Manley some people thought that Dexter would have a chance there. So the sweet sixteen matchups are Gibbs and Patrick Ewing in a one four matchup art monk against sugar. Ray Leonard Walter Johnson against Gary Williams. Sean Taylor did beat Alan Iverson. And he's matched up against Rigaud which will be a very interesting sweet sixteen matchup Niklas backstrom took out Elvin Hayes. He's matched up against Max Scherzer. Darryl Green Against John Thomson Thomson took out. Third Sunny beat Brian Mitchell. He's matched up against Sammy. Baugh the two greatest quarterbacks in redskins franchise history and how about Strasbourg. Beating Wes unseld. So it's Alex Ovechkin against Strasbourg in sweet sixteen matchup which is interesting about this. Is that younger? People have made their presence. Felt with like Shaun Taylor. Stephen Strasburg Alex Ovechkin Niklas backstrom and a lot of the older people with Walter Johnson and Sammy Bond Sunny Jergens in have sort of made their presence felt but gibs against ewing. I don't think he's going to be close. Tommy Gisele advance their Monk and sugar ray. Leonard who? I'm surprised sugar a act. I mean I'm glad he got through all of this But I don't know art monk just took out Anthony Ren Dawn. That's that's a good sweet. Sixteen matchup yes it is yes it is. I I like these MAC. Moving forward And I agree with almost every one that moved on in the way you described it. I'm so happy to see that Walter Johnson and Sammy. Baugh still have a presence. I knew you. Ah Yes absolutely. I mean because there are only two of the greatest players in the history of their leagues respectively. How do you feel? Though about like Stephen Strasburg taking out West unsettled. And Elvin Hayes being ousted by Nicholas backstrom. Who's a greater DC sports figure Elvin Hayes or Niklas Backstrom? They both are champions. I would say backstrom. Really Elvin Hayes didn't play his whole career with the franchise The the West West was beaten by Strasbourg. that's a tough one at is a tough one. I'm going to say I agree with that. One so strange. Maybe I'm dealing with the immediacy of of the moment there even though obviously I saw and loved all wes unseld Contributions but I think the baseball team means more especially since it returned. baseball DC. After it was so much hap- I think the presence. I think accomplishing something on the national is bigger than accomplishing something on the boards. Yeah I don't have a problem with Strasbourg over wests I think Elvin Hayes. His career is a much more prolific career than backstrom than he wanted title to and by the way participated in three. Nba Finals As a Washington bullet So I did vote for Elvin Hayes against backstrom. But I'm I'm not necessarily surprised about backstrom advancing Elvin Hayes a long time ago in. He's not a long time ago. Redskin the longtime ago Redskins advanced and Walter. Johnson did as well But the longtime ago bullets slash wizards did not advance In this in this in this bracket You know the Aaron and I both before it started predicted Gibson Ovechkin easily into the championship I and I still feel that way. Based on the vote totals they've both annihilated their opponents so far Ovechkin beat alley. Krieger and then took out. Morgan wootten gibbs took out only kohls again then Ryan Zimmerman. I still think that they are the prohibitive favorites to make the final and neither result would shock me ovechkin winning or gibbs winning. I predicted gibbs would win. Gibbs is going up against Patrick Ewing. Who beat bias? I think Gibbs easily get through that monk against Sugary Leonard is interesting. You know we're GONNA find out how much you know. Power Sugar Ray has. And how much of an understanding sports fans having the mark in the area could sugar ray. Leonard is one of the all-time great fighters in art monks. A Hall of Famer and champion Walter Johnson against Gary Williams. I mean Walter Johnson's arguably the best overall player on this list he probably is. Yes you know probably it. I think he wins. I think he wins over Gary William and then really the one that I think Aaron and I are most interested in because I think Erin has has felt Sean. Taylor's got a chance to make a deep run into this ragose matched up with Sean Taylor and a sweet sixteen matchup. Oh I think we go crush. I do to let me see where the voting is. Because we're now into the voting right now Actually it's early in the voting right now. where's rego? I don't see the Rigaud matchup. Do you Erin Yeah I got it. Hold on it's Sean Taylor's up fifty four forty six. Ooh I told you. Sean Taylor is going to be an unstoppable force in this tournament. Yeah that's a bad sweet sixteen matchup for Rigaud devoting still early and by way. That's a tight voting right now. Very tight 'cause the other match ups right now are sort of one sided Darrell. Green's got a big lead on Thompson. Juergens got a big lead on. Sammy Baugh Gibbs has a massive lead and Patrick Ewing. Shire's got a big lead on Backstrom I don't see the rest of this. Where are you seeing the rest of this? What's the Ray Leonard? Where's Ray Leonard? Art Monk Errand I think rate that was and but you are among us. Dc and earned. Yeah art monks dominating right now. Yeah that doesn't surprise me. What about Ovechkin Strasbourg? Ovechkin wins that one. I do too but I bet that one's a bit closer than we think. Don't overweight runaway right really eighty seven percent. Yeah but GIBS has the biggest lead right now over Patrick Ewing. I mean Patrick Patrick Ewing. It's amazing how many incredible athletes there are. What about Walter Johnson? Gary Williams quickly Gimme that. I didn't see that one. I like the Gary Williams over Walter Johnson. Right now coach Gary. Let's go all right. So Gary would vote. What do you think Gary would vote for the thing is? I don't think Gary's got a prayer against either Sean Taylor Ariggo in the elite eight I'll tell you what Aaron you're GONNA probably be right I mean and then it would be Sean Taylor against Joe Gibbs in a final four matchup. That'd be unbelievable fascinating. I in that one but I think the finale the the final the final contest his gifts against Max shurer really so you you think Sherzer takes out a veteran. The final four yet. I don't see that one. You might be right. I mean Sherzer has won by big ovechkin his big the the the he's won by a lot so assures her but yours are had tougher competition. He had to take out Brenda freeze. And then Jake in the second round you know Ovechkin went up against Morgan. Wootten luck Morgan. Wootten is alleged alleging. But they're more people interested in the redskins in voting the redskins through then Morgan. Wootten I think in this thing Anyway At Team Ninety on twitter to vote on this and follow it. Same with you can do the same at the team. Nine eighty dot com. I I wanted to take a moment here. First of all there to You know we usually don't do a lot of obits on this show Sometimes we do but only if they impact us for the most part and or the audience curly neal passed away yesterday at the age. Seventy seven. You Know Globetrotter. A phenomenal ball handler. one of the greatest of all time I just remember you know my father taking me to see the globetrotters virtually every year. And if it wasn't my father was part of a birthday party for somebody you know the globetrotters But I wanted to mention the passing of somebody else Tom. That many listeners out there will know this name and many of you won't but I ask you to listen anyway Because I think he was important figure for for many reasons. Louis Louis Louis Passed away Sunday at the age of eighty. One for those of you. That know the name You know that he is considered by many to be the greatest all around athlete in the history of Washington DC. He was a football football basketball and baseball. All met at Wilson in the nineteen fifties in the mid nineteen fifties And I grew up. Tommy hearing looses name. My father neum was friends with them. My uncle my aunt you know a father went to carol grew up in the same area. That loose grew up in same exact age Might my uncle went to Gonzaga. I grew up hearing and you know you and I have talked about this before I grew up listening to all the stories about the great high school athletes in sports teams. In this area. My father went to Carol He was a part of Carroll basketball. Be Four that teams that John Thompson was a part of you. Know Monk Malloy Hoover George Left. Which you know those of you know what I'm talking about. Carol's basketball team of fifty fifty eight fifty nine sixty s considered to be the greatest high school basketball team of all time. They had a winning streak of fifty five games And they produce some of the greatest players in of course Jon. Thomsen you know one of the great players and coaches of all time. Monk Malloy Is the president of Notre Dame? George left which is considered to be one of the two or three greatest players to ever play. He went to Villanova got in a car accident. Many people say that he would have been a great NBA player. But that's not the story I got sidetracked here. Louis Louis played at Wilson and he's one of the only people to ever have been a three time. First team all met in basketball. There aren't a lot of them Three time all metropolitan and basketball. He was an all met and football and all met in baseball. He played for the Redskins for a year played in the Pittsburgh Pirates Organization for a few years. My father said that while Elgin Baylor is considered to be the greatest basketball player ever from the DC. Area Louis. Louis isn't far behind but Louis Louis he thinks is the greatest baseball player to ever come out of this area. He passed away Sunday at the at the age of eighty one years old and John McNamara. Who wrote this book to capital of basketball? You know John who passed away in that shooting. you know in Annapolis The Capital Gazette newspaper in Annapolis. John Man I I would run into John at Maryland Basketball Games. Tommy all the time and we would sit there and talk Maryland basketball and DC high school basketball and he was putting together. You know a book in he and I would talk about that. See School Sports. Oh I haven't I've already read it. It's a great book The capital of Basketball Gary Williams wrote the forward to it. I mean look. We've all got a lot of free time. I would urge you to go out and get that book. The capital basketball. If you're interested in DC high school basketball he takes you through every decade of it but he wrote In the book about Louis Loose in particular the relationship that he had with Dunbar's Willie Jones in the mid nineteen fifties and this is really the significance. Louis loose you know again. Those of you that know the stories about him know that he's one of the greatest if not the greatest all around athlete to ever come out it as this area. He was White Willie. Jones from Dunbar was black and McNamara wrote basically two pages on their relationship. And I'm GonNa read some of it for for those of you that haven't read the book and Tommy. You haven't you haven't gotten the book yet. Have you know I have not be you knew John? Well I didn't know him. Well I knew I couldn't say I knew well but I I mean we talked and press boxes and stuff like that so anyway. Here's the part that I was going to read you. He writes basketball. You know in talking about this decade of the nineteen fifties in DC basketball was undeniably vehicle for bridging the Gulf between blacks and whites white kids who play pick up ball with black kids. Turkey thicket or somewhere else. Were less likely to look upon blacks with suspicion and vice versa. That was certainly the case with two of the city's biggest stars in the mid nineteen fifties. Wilson's Louis Louis and Dunbar's Willie Jones. Both were picked by the post and the evening star for their all met teams in nineteen fifty six and the two had become thick as thieves by then even the loose was white and Jones was black. They shared a great deal. Both talented outgoing and as their friends would tell you a little crazy and my last night. When I told him that he had passed away. My father's shared a bunch of stories. About how you know. He was definitely A risk taker and a little bit nuts as a teenager but anyway Macnamara continues every sentence spoken by them or about them seem to cry out for an exclamation point. Loose was a multi Sport Multi Sport Star. Earning all met honors and football's basketball and baseball. He was as dangerous or running back and kick returner capable of taking the ball the distance at any time on the Basketball Court. He played with much of the same way. Barreling down the lane to score without the thought of his own. Well being or for anyone who stood in his way he said for this book quote. I dropped my shoulder. Just drive to the basket. They couldn't stop me back in those days. They didn't call charges closed. Quote by the way. Tommy you know what that reminded me of remember when we did the Morgan wootten. Lunch with the legend. Yes remember. He told us that offensive fouls charging fouls they weren't called and that he you know he sort of in some way took credit for taking charge and getting referees to start calling it remember that. Oh Yeah but anyway Loose in the book says back in those days they didn't call charges He writes loose burst upon the DC basketball seaney scored thirty two points as a sophomore in the inner high championship. Game Leading Wilson to the title He said and pick up games. Loose was would drive the ball To the basket leading incredulous Elgin. Baylor cry out once man. What's wrong with you loose? You must be crazy Jones was no less colorful He was six feet tall. One the best shooter says about himself. Willie Jones says I was the best shooter you've ever seen. He scored forty five points in a high school game and averaged twenty nine points a game. His senior year given their personalities McNamara writes it was. It wasn't surprising that they became fast. Friends the vast difference in their backgrounds might have raised eyebrows but they paid no mind to such things loose lived in well-to-do Chevy Chase. The son of a teamsters lawyer. Jones grew up on Lamont Street northwest not far from Howard University. His father worked as a railroad dining car. Waiter but the two young. The two young men were more alike than different Lou said because he's black. He's not as good as you. I was never prejudiced against anybody. Jones said about their bond. It was very uncommon back. Then it shows you the strength of athletics respect. We were good athletes. We're cocky to appoint strong in our convictions. So you couldn't say things that would intimidate us. In fact loosened Jones went out of their way to demonstrate their friendship convention. Be Damned. Neither one minded stirring the pot a little bit if people saw the two of them hanging out together off the court and didn't like it well. That was tough luck. When Jones needed a car to take his date to the prom he asked to borrow looses car. Lewis only happy to oblige. Afraid loose might be reluctant. Jones offered to bring the car back the next DAY JUST TO PUT LOSE. Mind at ease and loose said. Don't worry about it I'll come by and get it. He didn't go by and get it for another week. years later loose downplayed The that incident of him loaning the car reluctant to make too much of the gesture. But in one thousand nine hundred fifty six many white kids from Chevy Chase were loaning their kids the loaning their cars to black kids from Lamont Street. A Jones said I don't think many people today run across that kind of friendship. He never displayed any prejudice with me. He was genuinely genuinely and truly my friend. So that was from John McNamara's my father. You know and my uncle for years told me stories about timing. My father said and he was telling me last night he said Lou was the first guy. Louis was the first guy that would bring black players from the playgrounds that he would be looking for good games like he would go down to. Turkey thicket or berry farms or wherever to play in games to find the best games and then he would bring those players and he essentially. My father said was in part responsible. Not You know solely but was a big part in sort of integrating some of the white basketball playgrounds. You know sort of uptown if you will. And that he was you know fearless when it came to that sorta stuff but anyway a lot of you. There is a huge email going around with a lot of people my age who also grew up hearing these stories of this particular athlete. He passed away at the age. Eighty one So we wish him. We wish his family the best in say rest in peace But some of those stories about that time in that era are sort of interesting. Don't you think oh absolutely particularly for me? Who is in this area and you know? I didn't move here until nineteen eighty-three So every time I hear story about these guys. You know locally. We all hired our guys wherever we grew up. Who who were like that? And I gotTa tell you Kevin be honest with you. I never heard kind so I know a lot of people hadn't because when you think about the greatest basketball players and that's the sport in this area right beyond any other in high school sports you hear Elgin Baylor Dave Bang Adrian Dantley Danny Ferry and the list goes on and on but people who are of a certain age will tell you in John Thompson has mentioned his. Name's Louie Louie Loses name to me many times when we used to work at the station and he would say Louis Louis is up there too man in in you know but everybody would say about him that were around then that in terms of the best all around athlete that there were very few three sports. First team all mets rare. That's a rare thing and he was a three time first team all met basketball player. Which there's a shortlist of those players in the history of the city. Well he should be known better than first accomplishments. He should be more celebrated than for doing that. Yeah Yeah for sure. All right that's basically it. For the day Bruce Arians by the way says no Antonio Brown To Tampa Bay remember Brady was the big one was the guy that wanted. Antonio Brown badly but Bruce Arians put that to an end. I can't imagine that Antonio Brown overplays plays. Nfl football again. I would agree at that point. And that may be the best thing for him to be on it. Might you know there's some. There's some guys that can't get right with their issues while they're still being adored as a superstar athlete like the to conflict with each other a lot of times the one thing about Tampa. I thought that was interesting. I don't WanNa talk about this for long but I I was taken aback at how flowing the praise was for Janus Winston as as a teammate. I know and as a person coming out of Tampa it was something I wasn't aware of. You know I was only aware of the usual public narratives that have been negative for the most part about same as Winston beforehand but people in the Tampa community not just teammates rave about what a what A. What a great character in person is. I am a little surprised I I you know he get credit for that and I think you know ultimately a team that winds up with him may wind up with with ultimately a guy who comes in their own at the right time Aaron and I talked about it on the podcast. I happen to have been the day that Brady was signed. I was listening to Rick. Stroud who covers the buccaneers in Tampa and he was on with mad dog on mad dog radio and I came in the next day and Aaron and I were talking about it on the podcast and I said he was raving about what a how respected and beloved by his teammates in the coaching staff. And the community. And we're talking about the new coaching staff that Bruce Arians and the coaching staff and Byron left which they loved. Jameis Winston look. You're right the narrative about him especially after that incident. Publix was never that it was the opposite of that. However if you go back to win Jameis Winston. I started playing at Florida state. What did we hear about him? Unbelievable leadership ability and incredible dynamic charismatic. Guy That everybody gravitates towards when he was first leading Florida state you know into the national championship situation But I agree Tommy. I sat there and listened to that interview and I'm like well that is that that was an eye opener for me. The guy kept going on and on about you know. Jamesy so respected players. Love Him. They're going to be devastated that he's gone. And you're right like the talent is unmistakable. Okay the problem is he throws to many interceptions. Apparently no problem with him died like that. If he's all they say he is. He's going to figure it out at some point he will and he's going to be really good. I think you're right. I've off for whatever reason I've always been a fan of watching him play football. He's to me. He can make a he physically talent wise. He's way up there you know. And he's always been the guy they absolutely moves on from his last throw. You know he's got that short memory. The cornerback memory quarterback that throws interceptions then carries still throw after throwing three picks. He's still going to throw it into a tight window to try to make a play and maybe he's got to grow out of some of that you know and maybe he will You know what I. It'd be a great story for him to end up catching on somewhere coming into his own in terms of a football player and you know continuing the more recent narrative of him. being you know a tremendous leader and well liked and well respected and all of that. I mean he was the number one pick in the draft and that year one and number two guys right now. That is the number. One guy doesn't have a job in the number two guy I don't know. Is he going to be a starter or backup in Oakland or Vegas? I think he's a backup. I think he's a backup for now. Yeah probably all right Everybody stay healthy. Enjoy the weekend as much as you can. We'll be back on Monday.

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Kansas State Fair | Exploring the Midwest Podcast Episode 24

Exploring the Midwest with Jody Halsted

17:42 min | Last month

Kansas State Fair | Exploring the Midwest Podcast Episode 24

"Hi everyone and welcome to exploring the midwest. My name is jody. And i will be your guide as we chat with incredible people across the thirteen midwestern states and discover all the amazing things there are to see and do. I hope you enjoy our summer topics. And invite you to reach out to me at any time with topic ideas or destinations attractions or even people that you think i should know about. You can click through the show notes and leave a comment or connect with me on instagram facebook or twitter at jodi halstead. Hey everyone we are wrapping up state fair season with the final state fair that takes place in the mid west now. The kansas state fair always begins after labor day. This year it begins on september tenth and it runs for ten days. My guest is ed burger. Who is the interim general manager of the kansas state fair. And we're gonna talk about the history and the highlights of the fair and hopefully we'll get a few insider tips to help you. Make the most of your visit ed. Thank you so much for joining me today. I really appreciate it. Thank you for the opportunity. It's always great to talk about the kansas state here. So can you give me a little bit of a history of the state fair When did it begin. And what what did it entail. What kind of brought people in the state together for this. you know. there's always been agricultural fairs celebrating harvest and celebrating agriculture. In general and in kansas there are really two or three locations that were vying for the state fair and really came down to to take in the northeastern part of the state at hutchinson. We had some strong legislators in hutchinson who are able to Get the state fair designated to be an johnson and that happened in nineteen thirteen but again. It was really a roach. A political battle to make that happen at did have been going strong since nineteen thirteen. Great state fair And we've had is really interesting. We've never missed having a state. Fair of since nineteen thirteen except for last year went through the great depression. World war one world. War two The polio pandemic end nine. One one and we still have the state. Fair typically Await his begins. The sad the friday after labor day and lasts for ten days now earlier in the fifties in probably by the fifties it started about a week later and then it was moved up to be right after labor day. So it's got a signifies labor labor they always think that signifies the end of summer. And after you have the end the summer you have a great celebration of harvest with the kansas state fair. That's so fun now for people who don't know the layout of the state of kansas. Where would you find hutchinson. Because i know that that's not that's not a city that's going to pop to the top of the mind when people think about kansas is is really pretty close to the center of the state And i guess a better gauge. It's about fifty miles. North west of wichita so that will give you a better sense as to word is in kansas and again it's so heavily agricultural community and of course had Agriculture terrific now. When we think about midwest state pairs obviously we are thinking about agriculture We're thinking about crops in history in animals and things like that. What would you say are the famous features of the state. Bear may be things that people come back year after year to experience or you know to to really just take part in where everybody has their own favorite. You know some people Is is really interesting. Whatever your whatever you like you tend to take in at the state fair and if you're involved in what to see a lot about farm animals why we have the north north or south western corner of the fair is really where we have. Our livestock. horses are cattle in all of those kinds of things. The grand drive some people. Just really don't get out of that area. Because that's all i want and then you've got Those of was areas that has a static displays everything from cooking quilts. And that's on the north side of the state fear. Some people just zero in right on that. Then you have commercial displays all over the fairgrounds. And that of course was always a great attraction. Or the fair gordon certainly for the vendors as well and then if you have fair food you always have that that That you could have food fried. Virtually anyway. And i'm really interested to see what kind of new fried foods will have at the furthest year in kansas. Kansas state fair popular of meal has always been the the product of. That's a dog. Dipped in corn fried. That's really been been very successful but again you can get virtually any kind of what you want across kansas state. Fear a great celebration something we just come for the for the well. You know state state fair food. I think is one of those great attractions. And i don't know about any your state but a lot of state fairs will. It's almost anticipated. Release when they when they tell you. What new fair foods are going to be at the fair This coming year. Does kansas do that as well. Kind of a big. You know these are new fare foods coming out and here's where we don't really do much of that. We have the vendors to get the word out about their food supply provide favoritism they we just encourage everybody to go to vendor to vendor. Does he wants to do and and on. Several organizations have had boost in kansas state. Fair forever We've had a church groups that of had traditional chicken noodles a church groups that had have mexican food. We've had a service clubs. Have ice cream at the bar was inle the grandstand provided by the canterbury association. That has been a mainstay in the grandstand of really as long as i can remember but his vice cream you've got Fried foods whatever you want. It's all your fantasies fear. Plenty of you don't want to come the died in your mind taking ten days off ten days off and you know it would probably be almost impossible to taste everything at the fair even in those ten days would you say would be visiting someone in this morning and that's why this said i just check off the diet this these ten days and go out wait experiment on what's new what's different what's fun and i'm sure it was loaded with cholesterol too so obviously there is a lot to do at the kansas state fair and beyond the food and the animals. I'm sure that the state fair brings in a lot of entertainment and attractions as well. Can you tell us a little bit about the types of of entertainment around the state fair. This year is going to be little unique. We're going to start. The fire out was dirt. Events dirt events. The first one on the first friday is gonna be the next gen bull riding of at and that's something we're very excited about bringing about forty goals in about thirty thirty cowboys and think it's going to be a great attraction as friday night and that we think that's a greek family event. Look for around for that then as far as the next night will have motocross of the motocross throat. Show and then that we have monster trucks and following that the demo derby so those four nights those first four nights while dirt events and again. It's it's going to be something for everybody. And then we have have entertainers will have tracy. Lawrence and logan mize opening up the grandstand entertainment. That was on tuesday and then we'll have the news boys on wednesday wednesdays going to be more proficient concert with adam meiji and then we have thirty eight special on a thursday chris janson on friday they kind of are one were headliners is going to be. Nellie was willie. Jones nelly nelly concerts can be kind of interesting. Two o'clock evenings can be two o'clock. That will jones will follow as full concert after that and then we hope those people who come for the nelly concert will stay on the fairgrounds because we have on our free stage We have a chase beckham. and so we're we're really excited about the land. We think that saturday is going to be one of the biggest saturday's we've ever had 'cause you start with entertainment at two o'clock and you don't finish up until seven thirty at the free stage was chased back so it's really exciting and then on sunday. I don't wanna send solo sewer short but on sunday. We have darcy lynn farmer. The ventriloquist will be here sunday. That's going to be an afternoon. Show coming family. Show three o'clock in the afternoon really good interest in that to read all the tickets. We just we're able to take the accident. We had booked for twenty twenty and them all over so we ray will now some people other taking their money back. Some people want to keep your tickets so it really had a jump. Start on selling tickets because some people just want those checks and keep them and it really roll forward nicely so so. We're very excited about the entertainment. All we have a lot of things happening are free Free stage two. We have a hypnotist ron. Diamond getting all sorts of other free events on stage the people's bank and trust for stage. That's fun i i like that. There's a mix of of the the paid. You know kind of marquee events but then you have the entertainment around the fairgrounds as well. Now when you're thinking about things to do at the fair obviously that comes a lot of walking a lot of eating what other what other things are. People going to find within the state fair obviously a lot of commerce. Maybe lots of of things to learn about Things like that we we call it and it's a huge event for for the state of kansas We call it a kansas largest classroom. We end up having twenty fourteen thousand students on on the fairgrounds and they can learn from everything about the go to the birthing center that we have They can go to the dairy parlor. They can look at our pollinator gardens all sorts of things as a great learning setting in environment and we have now designated building for education center. And we think there's just gonna be all sorts of exciting things happening there of. We always have new competitions twenty nineteen. We had a butter sculpting contest and that proved to be very bored. I guess people get a pound of butter stuff out of a merger. Exactly how that works and we also have a beer brewing contest as well which we have to have an advanced so those are things that again we had between nineteen people always fascinated with the large draft horses and we'll have a draft horse parade while also have some activities involving the draft horses barrel racing in that gun thing. So that's going to be really unique. And i think that's going to have appeal to him to a certain part of our audience and then of course we have to Kind of our light days and so what we've done is is four dollars after four on tuesday and thursday if you wanna come out after school or bring your family out after school. Four bucks invasion. We think that's going to be very important. Rosza gonna do some. We'd not have done before as a pub crawl Thursday evening abandoned. They'll be able to hit the various of beer vendors and try some craft roosevelt author. So it's fun thing. Of course every event like that needs of ascott. We've got ike the bison our new mascot for the kansas state sphere fear and traveling around the state trying to encourage people to come to the state fair. But i the vice is going to be new. Hope y'all all over the the Real excited about that as well. so again there's countless things to do at the kansas state fear. I think i'm just listening to you. Talk one of the things that has really struck me is the kansas has more. I i wanna say almost western culture to the state fair then you find in fairs that are further to the east you. You mentioned You know bulls and bull riding your vice in and a few other things that just really really struck me as having kind of that wild west feel to it and i think that that probably makes the kansas state fair quite unique for the midwest as well i certainly are are resurrected cultural and we have we draw heavily from the western two-thirds of the state to the state fair so there's a lot of agricultural interests. There's you again you all sorts of things. You have the governor's cookie jar. Somebody cookies ins judge being the best and we give that to the governor and then there's largest watermelon largest pumpkin. All those kinds of things. Roy celebrate celebrate. Kansas agriculture. Things have changed a bit in kansas. I'm sure they have every place. One time. He saw the state fair really signifying the end of the the fall harvest but a fall harvest continues through october pre planning of begins in october. So it's kind of a pause maybe between the fall harvest and implanting complete. So it's it's really something. That's vincent kansas fine. Now you you gave us already a couple of really great tips especially the four dollars after four and a couple of things like that. Are there any other insider tips. You might be able to share for people who are wanted on wednesday. We're going to shop to your drop. Wednesay and our vendors sell products are going to be providing specials threat individuals so they can go across the fairgrounds. You buy that great t shirt or or hat or whatever you want to buy and have a have a did a great deal audit Then there's going to be a tasting tuesday and the tasting tuesday will be involve a lot of food vendors. They'll have something special and you buy a ticket and you'll be able to various vendors sample their unique cuisine so again. There's lots of things that you there's no way that you can't say there's not something for goods estate. Fear is the med auditors. And as to parking and arriving at the state fair any advice for people coming in that may not be the million with the area we do. Have we have ample free parking east of the fairgrounds and also north of the fairgrounds and free parking shuttles. It can bring people onto the fairgrounds so they don't have to worry about walking a half mile just to get his third grand so we have shuttles bring them onto the fairgrounds and take them around the fairgrounds so like so they're ways one can again see the fair and now we're outbursts shoes. That's terrific ed. Thank you so much for sharing that information with us. Now for more information as well as deals and discounts people can obviously visit the website. Kansas state fair dot com. Are there any other places online. Maybe social accounts that people can keep an eye on as they anticipate. the state. fair are the best thing is to to go to our website and you can navigate through that and find all the events and find out. So what's happening. is kansas state. Figure terrific thank you ed so much for taking the time to talk with me today and kansas state fair one event. I hope you enjoyed this. Episode of the podcast. And thank you so much for listening. 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AE Edwards, Kelly McCreary & Kroger's Wellness Experience?

Who? Weekly

1:06:38 hr | 3 weeks ago

AE Edwards, Kelly McCreary & Kroger's Wellness Experience?

"They wanna know pain pain fame. Welcome to the podcast where you'll learn everything you need to know about the celebrities. You don't. i'm bobby finger. I lindsay lever and kanye west and irena shake have split but their romance was quote. Never serious he always am leg. Oh whenever a celebrity couples dating. I'm like they're going to get married them. Together forever That's like one of my things. I knew this wasn't going to work when he them moved into the the dome to like finish. His album will not Out here right they breaking up and then she was like no. We're not bringing up. Like i'm gonna sue. That's like fake news. Or whatever dare say this relationship is over there broken up. What's funny is that like. He's in the dome and she's in he. They're using the excuse like they're both busy. But it's like like it's a long term. It's like a long distance relationship but like the distances like he just moved into a stadium is like you know it's under the dome and shakes out of the dome. Yeah this standard. It's like she's just like not in the dome you know. This is confirmed in that. Everyone is in agreement that they are broken up and that anonymous sources have told everyone who matters that they are broken up. But we don't have statements from kanye or irena however we have this statement from someone who spoke to us weekly which is quote konya and irena or over. But they never really started. There's nothing going on there. Do you think this from the kim camp. Do you think this kardashian originated. I mean that's where i always lean. You miss the end of the quote. They aren't great romantic partners. Brutal it was never a serious thing. Took off another source told people and we got another kardashian sorts. Carney has been busy working and spending time with his kids. Oh that's kim. That is his focus. He doesn't have time to date right now. he finds irene amazing though. That's okay okay. This is kim. It's just cam writing a statement on snoopy's boardwalk computer. You know like yeah. This is definitely kim. This is supportive to the woman rashes. Supportive to the kids. This is supportive rate. But he's just like really into his kids who he loves very much an obsessive what they are number one well. I'm sorry i know. He loves his. He's been locked himself in frigging stadium anyways yesterday. Just jared publish. This headline irena shake hits the gym following news of her split from kanye west. So just jared is fine. So as irena gotta say like the irena shake thing out going to happen not gonna happen. It's no austin swift but in in equal ways. It's not going to happen. You know irena shake hasn't even more powerful argument for not going to happen because she dated literally one of the most famous people in the world instantly. She has deflated. she is back to swear on. I read a was doing her like connie inspired fashion. Like potsy runway. Walks through soho. It's like you're even a model and this is a problem for me. Like i can see right through this. You know in europe model. She'd never done that before. I like that. We're back to normal. Irena shake coverage though. Because this just jared story about her hitting the gym following news of her split from kanye west ends with. If you missed it. I read a shake revealed the secrets behind her glowing skin while sharing her skin. Care routine with vogues. beauty secrets. it's yup. That's her content now that she's about her like beautiful skin. Yeah no that's like that's the world is at peace like all is right with the world you know as they say meanwhile bradley cooper her ex father of her child Was just on. Just jared bradley. Cooper arrives at a business meeting in santa monica. That's it rather cooper's getting back to work. Sure i guess. I love when just jared does like s- just just exactly what the photo is coverage. You know no no no explaining nothing. Just go meeting. It's annoying to like bradley cooper. He's just so yeah he's just so corny and it works. Yeah but he's also really. He's really mysterious mysterious in a real way. So many saudis wish. They were mysterious but he's actually mysterious. Because you really can't pin him down. And i think that's what's so interesting about him like the stars. Born era was like a whole new element to him. That it's like it made no sense and yet is that the way that he is but now i'm like what is his thing. I mean we've gotten plenty of phone calls about him like do not play phone. Call about bradley cooper but despite hearing all of those things. I'm still confused by him. And i think that that's compelling yeah totally and it's not even just a ben is back thing it's it's all over the meaner though what is he like. What's his deal. you know. This is not a bradley cooper podcast. This is who weekly. Were supposed to talk about people you've never heard of so i can't talk about this story. Also just jared ellen pompeo and natalie portman meet up for an afternoon. Hike is that no but i and they were boring. Are you telling me that. Ellen pompeo and natalie portman meeting for a hike is boring yes and yet. I'll click every time to be like whoa hike. It like gotta see these picks. Why why what is going to be in those picks for me. Nothing nothing no. I do i do this to myself you know. I don't know so we talked about one. Split there a few splits. That happened over the past week. This next one is the most dramatic speaking of conway. Speaking of konya her ex amber rose. What with her boyfriend will ever rose posted on instagram leg. Fuck my boyfriend. He cheated on me with twelve women. I'm like twelve on. Like i know you're being kind. Didn't call them women. She called them bums bombs will. She didn't well she goes to name them. 'cause you wanna shame them but instead these calls them twelve bums. That's like twelve angry bums. That's like so funny. That's the cutting off angry bums. You probably wouldn't even have to change much of the dialogue you could just like cast all women. It's uneven called twelve angry bums. It's just called all twelve of y'all bums. The ones that i know of. There's probably more can have him. That's in parentheses. The whole thing in my play ever since you walk into this room. You've been acting like a self appointed public avenger. You want to see. This boy died because you personally wanted not. Because of the facts you're a sadist. She went on instagram and she wrote. I'm tired of getting cheated on and being embarrassed behind the scenes all twelve y'all bombs parentheses the ones that i know of. There's probably more canavan. Y'all very much knew. He was in a relationship with the baby as he had with ambrose. What's the baby's name like sh- slashing slash and y'all decided to fuck him anyway. I saw all the texts that y'all were well aware but y'all don't give me any loyalty so it's whatever so she's basically saying like y'all are bums the man who promised me loyalty is the one who raised him out because the girls even though she could totally wjm them. She's obviously like imp empowered. She doesn't should have put up with this shit. I think it's like because they have a kid together. She was like let's try. His name is Alexander a edwards. Just i guess she doesn't name him but everyone knows who he is but she also doesn't name them because i think even though she's calling them bums she's trying to like call out the women also. I'm sorry but at at the point when you get to twelve women it's like how do you even go about naming twelve women. It's like one woman sure to women maybe three women that's a lot of women for women can't remember your four names five women and insane and then above that. It's just like that's just ridiculous. you know. Twelve twelve women to albums and he admitted this he went on the worst place. He could possibly go to admit this. Which is some instagram talk. Show called big vaughn and they all laughed about it literally like whoa big. Vaughn is a like a very. He's like a hometown hero from san francisco. He's like a bay area long long long time. Like hip hop radio hold and so yeah so he is like a known figure in like bay area radio and he has an instagram show and he brought on a and they talked about it and laughed. I want her to have to look over her shoulder. I feel like every time. I phone go office number thirteen or fourteen number five right there yo. Twelve like twelve like twelve due to twelve get cut off for talking to us like i thought i loyal we start a new t. Whatever the show is like in real life without him on. I don't know because i've never seen it but this specific episode of the show was really bad. Got to the point where like amber is in the comments being like what the fuck because they're just like laughing at it the whole time which is so rude beasley. He's like on there to apologize or he says you know. I woke up to this ship. Man i thought shit i got caught. I got caught before you know what i'm saying. And she just had enough. Obviously i love her though. That's like my best friend. The mother of my son. I love sebastian. My stepson and shit too and the comments don't even need to watch the show. You just need to go to. The comments in the comments are like this is like how dare you guys laugh at this. Y'all are being really corny. This is so stupid like it doesn't make me think she's gonna take this guy back or anything and so they brought up amber rose thing. Which was the slut walk. They made fun of it. Right that was ambrose thing well yes the whole thing just because i dress like this doesn't give any man the right to violate me or whatever like just because i dress like this doesn't give anyone the right to assault. She doesn't even comment on the stuff about the relationship. She comments because they miss categorize the slot wall. Yes that's a whole different. That's a whole different conversation. In which they they kind of like talk about her work in the wrong way so she just like says you obviously don't understand my slut walk. It's about women being raped because of the way they dress dressing. Slutty does not mean you You can touch a woman appropriate raipur for you to have such a platform misinform. Your followers is detrimental to society and women's so she's not even like talking about the fact that her ex-boyfriend is on this show apologizing. Now he's like you miss identified mis categorized my like project you now so all twelve. Y'all bums is the production of twelve angry men by reginald i guess he gave an exclusive Statement not to eat too. Et entertainment tonight reached out and aspirin state manage him. It's a man he gave one which is just like. I'm really sorry for the hurt and humiliation. I caused amber. I'm sorry that might as broke our family. Like all this like know this like very sad and somewhat thoughtful apology which is just totally. The opposite of this radio show. He went on so it feels a little bit like you know and they got together. I think in two thousand eighteen. So they've been together for three years. Whoever our decision to end our relationship is equally liberating. That's how you should end us. One guy if you want her back you know what's next another split. We have a couple more splits. How many more splits a couple more splits when he harlow name when he harlow split from her basketball player boyfriend and this one is boring. Because there's a obvious reason why it's like it was a completely breakup. This is the daily mail headline winning. Halloween kyle kuzma split after a little more than a year of dating dot dot as it said break-up was completely amicable and then you have the news that he was recently traded. He's a basketball player. He was recently traded to the washington wizards. he was traded on august sixth. They announced their breakup a week later. I like forget this guy's name now dot like can i. Am i okay with just you know he's sports. You have to remember. Melissa dates another actual famous person. No offense to sports people but he might he might. the next split is considerably. Funnier even though. I've never heard of these people before because it's youtube. I don't like waiting into youtube waters on this show especially because youtube waters can get very dark very fast. Also unwieldy where it's like. There's too much context here like. They're not going to know what knows. Dark waters full of cancer causing chemicals. It's like the go on us canal every time you hear about a year but it's just like its dark which yes it is the water's dark but also it's just convoluted and you can't even begin to understand the like whole scope of the drama or beginnings about watching every single video in a way. But we're not doing that so it's also one of those things where it gets to be like. Leave it to the teachers. Because they've been like on this beat for so long. I guess we could like watch the t- channels. But i'm not even offering to do that so don't ask you. This is a little easier to talk about because it seems pretty cut and dry. So there's this youtube couple and they have had a shared youtube channel for years like over five years but it's kind of a bow their relationship it's like prank. My fiancee like. Ll you know. It's a very standard lassic relationship. Youtube channel diarra gone my wife to eat. Trash ella mayo. It's crank will. Look at these ones. I put my fiance stuffing jello prank and then pranks and parentheses deragon ticket while driving disease. This is good and then dead girlfriend. Prank extreme dead dead girlfriend print the thumb why they broke up. Wow is kin collecting deoras like disgusting. Like covered in blood body like just absolutely horrific bloody body. These didn't make it after that print. Wow go and they and they made it after that. If you could make it through dead girlfriend prank. I guess you can really you can make it through anything. Especially if that extreme extreme. I bought this big jug of blood awhile ago about like different cuts and stuff to put on my schedule. He will be that like somebody stabbing. I wanna make this look very believable to him. I started seeing these headlines. And i thought the headlines were funny because the headlines. Were things like this. Diario taylor can walker announced separate youtube channels. Another one diario. Taylor and ken walker announced their separate youtube channels. Another one did. The era taylor and ken walker break-up their youtube channel. Please notice that none. Of these break-up separations are talking about the relationship. They're just talking about the youtube channels. If i know my youtube. They're saving the announcement of the break-up for the individual channel. Yeah like what like. They're each going to do their own. Like soul low monologue vonk on their channels to get them jumpstarted. I assume right. That's probably gonna because both of these solo channels are currently abdi. Why waste it on the on the channel. They have together you now. I watched the whole fucking video of them together. Being like hey guys. It's been a long time. We love all of you so much. We've gone through thick and thin together. We had so much fun over these past few years. But we're starting new. You'd new youtube channels. You can subscribe to mine. Could subscribe to ken. And it'll be great. We're going to have a good time. But it's like never once. Did they mention the break-up at one point fan tweeted diarra and ken told us they broke up without saying they broke up and deer liked that tweet. So that's the closest we've gotten to cover me. Yeah broke There were also cheating rumors a few months ago but that was forever ago. They made a lot of videos ago. I'm telling you if you can survive dead girlfriend prank extreme than this is everything else is water under the bridge except for you know maybe something else happened and now the of separate you do channels. The couple did also say the video that this was quote not the end and told their followers quote not to panic. No it's unclear whether they broken up as a couple up they just decided to go solo on youtube. Linzie don't panic it's gonna be it's gonna be not unless it's a prank and then i'm like and you're like it's a prank and i'm like oh okay. The oldest trick in the book. Dead girlfriend in parentheses. Pregame me doing all this all this mess now to clean all of the way above the levees we got three. Show manses or farce romances. Depending on what you want to call them. They're all like essentially show manses. Let's be real. We got number one. From the daily mail meet the parents selling sunset star. Jason oppenheim introduces new girlfriend. Crucial staus to his folks dot dot dot weeks after debuting romance introduced her as his girlfriend or his co worker touch eliezer baas technically her boss to yuck okay. Moving on camille mendez is back on with charles. Melton if you recall they're both on riverdale which also just came back for a new. So i don't know if it's a new season or just more episodes so i'm just saying that's little suss that this relationship is perhaps back on or they're spending time together While these new episodes appear just say just jiang and the third man is comes right. From just jared dot com. We have chased. Crawford picks up a grill during a trip to home depot. I think that that relationship is gonna last longer than either of the two you mentioned before that jas crawford is going to be making burgers on that grill much longer than jason oppenheim and crucial styles are going to be gallivanting around europe. I agree i agree. I agree just because it's a show mance doesn't mean it's not have doesn't have legs for his trip to the home. Improvement store chase sported. A black t. shirt and olive colored shorts while staying safe in a black face mask after making his purchase chase was assisted by an employee as they loaded the grill into his truck. Before heading home up there are more photos of chase crawford loading up his new girlfriend into the trunk of his car than there. Were of like rita ora walking through paris. It is longest friend chase. Cropper does a girlfriend. Yes chait you heard me chase. Crawford has a grill friend. Would you think your name is what. Her name is weber. Is she awebber o or shenanigans in say the brand do also showed off their new girlfriend this weekend. Who henry cavill. He made pizza in his gag. It must have been as fucking cheek day because i read his weirdo interview about his diet. And as i suspected he eats like three chicken breasts day and then he has won cheat day. and he's like well. I left cheat day. Because then like i could say on my cheat day. I really want pizza. And then i'll look forward to it for six days and then it'll be really really good now. More awesome about a person looking forward to eating pizza for six days. I'm sure that is really fun to hang out with. But he made pizza on his egg. That was definitely spun right. I don't think so but owner. They didn't have the headline henry. Cavill opens pizza restaurant and then you opened j. He made pizza is frigging grill. Like i love my god anyways to men in their girlfriends. N- means nothing about anything else. We are not implying anything. They just have girlfriends. I do prefer henry cavill girlfriend more than chase crawford's girlfriend. He didn't get an egg. The egg is just impossible to beat. It's very expensive. But it's like you know if you're a celebrity. Get it yeah. It seems a little complicated. Yeah but i didn't know you could make pizza and the egg. I'm intrigued and maybe i need an egg. See it looks like chase got it looks like it's part smoker and a grill. It's a tracker It's a it's a would grill cool. It's a traeger pro. Henry gis has the big green egg. I'm proud of them for finding a girlfriend. It's hard out there. you know. have to find a girlfriend. So when you can really count on and Gives back to the relationship right and we will sleep at twelve bums okay. Moving on this is not a showman's. I don't know what to call this but wendy williams has a new boyfriend and we know very very little but we know enough to talk about it because wendy williams posted on her instagram a selfie with her and the blurry est most basic looking sixty year old white. Man that i've ever seen in my entire life. Her last boyfriend the one she meant on the show via the shows like dating game thing but like she posted the photo. My son's twenty first birthday party on the miami was everything he wanted. First of all there's no photo with the son. There's no photo of miami. There's no foot yacht. It's a photo of inside a car in new york. I gotta say you know how they're like you know this big and back and forth whether brittany spears has control over her instagram. And no one knows wendy. Williams has control over the wendy show instagram and she does not know how to use it. You know that is clear. I think it's because she doesn't know how to use it. It's not that she's not like out here. Wanted to post photos of her son's birthday party. She's just not really clear on how it works. Bull the other clear thing is is that at least one other person as excess maybe james maybe suzanne many norman maybe norman because half of the posts are very official like they throat a cheryl hot topics and then half of them were these blurry photos. My son's twenty first birthday party leon. Miami hashtag miami was everything he wanted exclamation mark even my boyfriend and the nothing eve my boyfriend. This is an unfinished sentence. Do you think this was a reference to everything. He wanted even my boyfriend. My son's twenty first birthday on the yacht was everything he wanted. Even my boyfriend. I think wendy accidentally clicked posts before finishing the caption and didn't know how to either. Delete or edit and was just like whatever. I do love that. It's like what if your job was to like meticulously plan out the posts on wendy show like that's you're you're doing social for them and that's your job but then wendy herself can just post whenever she wants. It's unbelievable it's unbelievable. I think it's great. I love it. Who else is dating. We done with his dating shit yet. I'm done with dating. No no we have one more rosalia in rolla honda or dating. It's kind of a confirmation because people knew they were dating. he's puerto rican singer slash robbers slash composer. She obviously is a spanish singer. The only thing about him that aside from just like oh. He makes like very popular music. Is that this funny. Part of his wikipedia live performance Rule hundred performed toto. dot for the first time. On the kelly clarkson show. He was quite criticized for his lack of coordination with the choirs and dances falling. Short of the original. So much was the contempt. That alejandro amelie deleted the performance from his youtube channel. So it's like this is like the barbra streisand effect of youtube videos. Where somebody posted that. He deleted a video making the only video that i then needed to go watch you know of him because the actual video is cute and funny and has a lot of choreography. The performance on kelly clarkson is a little clunky but i wouldn't even call it. It's not embarrassing by any means. It's just like bears. I do think they gave him too. Tall of a mike stand because it makes him look about like two feet tall. He looks uncomfortable holding it to. He looks a little too tall. You know like the proportions are off. Yeah wasn't that on. The that was on the todo de pierre right it links to a story in spanish right and then it gets translated and i had to translate it but the headline is disappointing. This was the unfortunate presentation of roller hundred in popular parks and program. I do think that somebody copied and peace did the spanish translation into the wikipedia. Yes yes so much has been media bombardment against rahula hundred that he decided to disappear the video from almost all official platforms my guide. He disappeared the video. It's still on the kelly clarkson may i know him so he didn't really disappear it Oh no not the worst all time. Not the hostage photo of eric. Stonestreet getting engaged literally still uncoupled i. This is dragging for me. Personally eric. stonestreet is engaged to a nurse that he met at some like celebrity charity event a fundraiser celebrity weekend fundraiser. I will say it's like sweet. I feel like they. They have a chance you know it's like he is. He was last rumored to be dating. Bethany frankel and i gotta say. He made a better decision if if there was a decision to be made so they got together. The photo though is everywhere. It's in the cover of people. A friend of mine sent it to me and a group yesterday. I was just like making fun of the way. He's holding her wrist because it does feel like a hostage situation and ever. Since i got that text i can't stop looking at the like it's getting worse and worse and worse every time i see. I see the photo everywhere. It's on us. It's on people on e. T. as sheriff does of them right by this one but it's just because it's the only one with the rings so they have to use the photo with the ring when plenty of of these people exist. Just not this one. He looks pained. she looks pained. He's squeezing her wrist. He's a comedian. So it's partly a bit but out of pain because he's making a pain face. she looks pained. because she's like sant- making the phase. please. I'm kinda smile over here. Losing blood in my risk. Losing what we're trying to make nice picture eric. I mean she's marrying a comedian. It's gonna whole life is going to be. We're taking a nice picture eric. Please smile you know. What do you expect that. We have some birth news. Perry edwards gave birth. Finally everyone's thrilled one down. One one small mix added another mix one mix to go remixed. Total used to be for mixed. Now there's three mex but to mix are pregnant. I gotta say too much math when this man i'm over it. I used to be a fan. But i had to understand because there is too much math involved. It's too many births too. Many people leaving too many departures. It's just like it is hard to keep track of who is not only in the band and who is pregnant. Won't like four mix minus one three mix to mix pragmatic this olmecs going solo. They're coming out with a greatest hits album which is kind of ironic considering like the floor of them. Were the people on the hits and the one is. I don't know it just feels little weird timing. I guess they're like celebrating ten years of little mix. But i gotta say you're only three fourths little mix now. Your little hermit still celebrate when you're three fourths of yourself. I mean your record. Label could still celebrate by releasing a greatest hits album show. Of course we love that. Lindsey if i had my arm amputated which you say. I wasn't allowed to celebrate my birthday because i'm only you know. Eighty percent of who i once was. I am not going to answer this. I am not going to apply to that. Metaphor doesn't really make any sense but think about it. Wouldn't you throw me a birthday party. I can't really throw bobby birthday party. You know he's not fully bobby anymore. He lost his arm. No i'm still fully bobby. I would love you either way. Even if jesse nelson took off from your body is that what you're implying. That is what. I call my right arm. Justly nelson god and guess. What you're right arm is starting solo career. How do you feel about that. You don't you wish that the best you going to say that. But you don't mean that i'm just like so mad that i even started this metaphor. So funny my arm himself. Taking my arm and calling her jessie nelson. A yeah now. She's releasing a single. Soon featuring nicki montage your arm featuring nicki minaj. Okay that is such i. i can't even talk about. I can't even talk about that. I can't even tony. I know he's really makes it difficult to talk about her. I hey everyone. That's confetti by little mix and this is future bobby. Let's just text me this link to a pop. Sugar dot co dot uk slash parenting. That says a little mix surprise. Leeann pinnock and andre gray have welcomed twins lindsay's commentary. Is i think perfect. Which is now. There are three new mixes. Little mix is now a bigger band than ever before. i think. that's that's enough. That's enough read the thing that's most annoying about getting your period. If that's the thing that happens to you is dealing with the amount of waste that you've been kind of produce for the week it's like it's kind of annoying gross. I mean it's you know what i mean. I'm period positive. 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Brandt kinds it's are expensive very expensive and in the photo which is the only photo. This has actually what smart that she did. The only photo you can get of. Stephanie and this baby is the spun photo from her instagram. So it's like the baby's first. Public photo is a spun. Baby has arrived in style and more importantly safety in at noon. A usa's pipebombs carseat. His name is rosalyn pronounced raza line. Ro's e hyphen uh hyphen line. I am very very awe of the entire experience of having a kiddo. It is incredible and hard af and beautiful and emotional. And i can't remember ever being this amazed and feeling so overwhelmingly full of gratitude roz. You are so cool. Hashtag noon family hashtag new people hashtag my new the boyfriend who's a total nobody. Who's just like a marketing director. Has like a thousand followers and had to post the same captions. I was like. I say i would literally say you can post the spawn knots on your channel. But i'm not posting the spawned. There's no way that i should have to do this as well. Like i don't have that much influence. Your the celebrity i posting the frigging spawned the new. Nah the funny thing about this too is this spawned feels very much like we got a free new now. Maybe a little bit of cash The one after this. Which is the ca- lassic. And i think honestly the vami eest who we it's demi compared to the new because when you're doing the clear blue spine. Obviously you get a free box. A clear blue but that's not the end goal. The end goal is straight up capital cash. Only like it's not a device on expensive thing that you get for free. It's also the money. The new now feels almost like did they. Just get a free nuno plus like maybe one hundred bucks. I know that's not true. That'd be bad it will. If they did they need higher new manage better agent right this the clear blue is so authentically in purely money based you know. Yeah because I know kelly mccreary from grey's anatomy can afford to buy herself a pregnancy test. Anyone who's been on grey's anatomy as long as she has can afford as many clear blues as any woman could require on a lifetime for multiple lifetimes. Kelly mccreary has been on one hundred sixty episodes of grey's anatomy but there are three hundred eighty episodes of grey's anatomy and existence of so. That's a good chunk. That's a good chance. A good chunk. She did meet her now husband on the show which is very. It's like literally your whole life but the way she did her clear. Blues bond is so much glossier more high profile. Stephanie just put her stuff on an instagram capture. And that's all that was in the contract that seems and then meantime you write about her. You have to throw in the photo of her and you got the new logo there. There's a lot of benefit to that. I can see why nuno would want this. But here's how kelly mccreary did it. This is how the copy reads whenever you are doing. What is essentially sponsored content. Kelly mccreary is going to be a mom quote. We are really excited to show. The my husband and i are expecting our first little one mccreary. Thirty nine tells people. The actress says that she and her director husband who met on the set of grey's anatomy and married until nineteen knew. They wanted to start a family but both decided that now is the perfect time however mccreery admits she was actually surprised when her clear blue digital pregnancy test revealed. She was going to be a mom quote. I actually screened her. And i found out she was pregnant blah blah then the next pregnant quote on the clear blue test it spells out very clearly pregnant. Like make no mistake. You are pregnant mccreary ads with the laugh and it's like she knows how ridiculous this is but she also knows how much money is about to be transferred to her checking account. I mean meanwhile people has to like literally dig in because later they say she admits chapman forty four initially wanted start a family more than she did sharing. She took some persuading because of her career milestones. She wanted to hit before motherhood. I'm like i'm like oh we're gonna get like fully into this. She did a full interview. You know okay. i came across this stark. Plays when i first. Why didn't know things like. This still happened in hollywood but i was surprised when i was. I came across a link that like entered me into this like portal. Where like then. I learned about this event that i will reveal to you what it is in a minute but how i found out about it was i was browsing my links and the aforementioned just jared had a headline that was olivia. Rodriguez joins the appetite man family for her very first day of indulgence experience and i'm like did she get indoctrinated into some sort of colt. Are they going to burning man. What is the day of indulgence. Experience like this is such a weird way to phrase it. It's also a weird way to spend your day right after you get your driver's license like drive somewhere else nice. Maybe she drove leslie man. Maybe that's true. She joined the the whole appetite man family so could have been any of them you know. Does she have a car. That's big enough to fit that whole family. Maybe she drives a mini van As long as she doesn't need a commercial license she's down to bring these people there. What if what if. I just had a funny thought. What if the appetite mandela was like. We wanna get fucked up at this party. We need a driver who has their driver's license. And who under the age of twenty one modest like olivia could do it. Oh my friend. Olivia she has a whole song about it. Let's call her if anyone is calling their daughters to drive into a party so she can get shit house. It's leslie man. i'm sorry. Can we get you to pick us up. Bring us in the day of indulgence. You've never been We'd love to bring you the day of adult indulgences. A real thing. We've talked about it on the show before. I can't believe that it's coming back. I forgot about it completely. This always covered by in style to always. There's for things are getting canceled. Left and right in this pandemic and the day of indulgence made it through you. Know everywhere no masks off. It is an outdoor outdoor slash endure. No took their mask off very responsible the idea that jennifer klein her annual day of indulgence. She was like we will not succumb to this virus to this disease to this cleanest one day of a diligence. We won't do it again. Well not miss dave indulgence the girlies need. They are free p. r. products. This has happened for many many years. Jennifer klein is this producer. She's a very rich. Tv and movie producer and she hosts this event that is both basically like a trunk. Show like upscale like big brands. Come and give away free product to powerful women. You get free stuff you get photos with other famous women and you get to give quotes to an style about you know how important it is to spend time with other women in your industry and to support women owned businesses like. It's the same thing every year and then we as the public it right like this this year. The food was individually wrapped to keep everything as sanitary as possible. Bristle forms provided special sandwiches and salads will be part of their new gourmet section in the market to kaya organic had a table with britos and wraps as well as their famous plantation imitate and tortilla chips. Why slim's a new delhi slaps bagel shop in culver city provided individually wrapped bagels and on hand where gim me organic seaweed snacks for guests to take home. It's truly iconic mix of like bristol farms and why sons anew bagel shop like. It's incredible the amount of spun at that at this party. Every paragraph is equally funny. Here's one i mean use specifically commented. Ll of this burger but that could be commented above any of these aircrafts. There was a sense of calm in the air at clients home team as the attendees including jennifer lopez and her daughter emmy ollivier rodrigo yvonne. Orgy tyra banks ruth. Negga eissa gonzales. Laura harrier and more spent the day safely indulging beauty treatments on site and a backyard filled with brands. Giving freebies to guess. I'm like that does not sound like a sense of common the year that sounds like full on cancer stricken anxiety like jennifer lopez there. I'm sorry you're not calm. The in style coverage of this event to is maybe two thousand words long like it's probably the biggest thing like written in style aside from their cover story. You know like the word count on this thing is just fucking enormous. They do literally. And i don't blame them for this because this obviously the biggest star that they have their they play pay of j. lo throughout the entire event. They have the literally put a tracker on this woman when she walked in and every piece of merchandise she touches gets a shot out. Here we go. This is about j. Lo and her daughter who at this event the two were all smiles. During the event is they picked up a ton of goodies including a sweet surprise for ben affleck children at the made by mary booth lopez asked for birthland his daughters and mentioned she was heading benz home that evening to celebrate his birthday. Wanna pick them up a special gift. She literally was like. Let me get some of these free necklaces to give to ben's daughters because his birthday and they're going to be there and bring them a gift jaylo also picked up a bertha nicholas for herself saying that lewis was her flower and any got one two lopez also grabbed a pair of pink blue light frames and lavender no sleep. Sonny's way as long as kim ships new super melt vegan lip jelly mask and bright wave brightening ice cream any also tacoma a set of kinship skin. Care for her brother max. The dual also scooped benefit cosmetics anew new brow palm eight angelo had her face sprayed by the brands professional supercenter which was a major headed. The event poor official poor fishing quote. I want this all in my bathroom. Lopez has lopez jennifer lopez manager. Should literally skuld her for this. These quotes that are overheard are just devaluing her rent. I want this on my bathroom. As she went to fill a tote with every product at the fresh breath including a brown sugar scrub and has sporadic has bride some idea. No who cares grapefruit bath and shower gel before sitting down to the bottle of hubble watermelon water. They got that woman red handed. All of this place healthy. I'll take the reins now. Olivia road rigo leslie. Man and man's daughters modifiers appetito arrived together and munched on the burritos. Kobe smoulders enjoyed the mini. Nothing but cakes nicole. Shire's ing or gnashed on crumble cookies and too-da-loo trail mix and the tasha rothwell and orgy. Yvonne orgy toasted don. Julio many cocktail and legrand core taj respectively from one of the past. That is engaged. You're wondering respectively means that. Natasha rothwell have the dawn and an orgy. Yvonne orgy had the grunk or taj. And in case you're unclear about what this looked like every single photo. And i shit you not every single photo in this the celebrities number one. The photo credits. Don't list the people in them. I think because they're never quite certain right. They just crate. Credit amy graves. Okay number two. Every single celebrity like these are very famous people here. Every single celebrity has a mask on whether indoors or outdoors. All these photos. Tyra banks mask which is great which is good but usually they take off the mask for the photo one person did. Y'all one person did for the lead photo jennifer lopez. The only unmasked photo is jennifer lopez alita image. They were like. Please take off your mask for two seconds because everyone else natasha yvonne. Leslie mann olivia. How are you supposed to munch on burritos. Exactly your mind owner munch and i know you're much in britos because that's a copy says so. Where's they're massless thing. I understand why they're doing this for responsibility purposes. I just love the idea. What if like you went to a party and then somebody wrote up a party description of what you did at the party like what. Ua it's like bobby like eight one goldfish cracker from like a like and then made his way to the bar to have a tequila cocktail featuring topo chico like yum delicious. He was overheard. Saying you know i'm delicious. He was overheard saying. I think i'll have a second finger said as he approached the burrito bar yet again but it have to be like the taco bell like ab- exclusive cantina burrito bar. It wouldn't everything has to have like a thing. do sorry. Every sentence meanwhile ruth negga raved about. Take he's cute lounge wear. That was an offer quote. I'm obsessed with those jumpsuits and the made by mary necklaces. Mary as my middle name. She said fuck. Tyra banks showed up with my scream and worse. Cream shirt jordana brewster. And tyra banks swooned over new swayed leggings and neutral hughes at spanks booth. Banks went full out to support her ice cream. Brand smiles cream with guests. Nash john towards the end the event notice. No one. there's no names of which guests notched on this nice cream. Notice that notice that notice. Notice that i take back what i said because previous in style reporting of this. Also the captions. Say credit amy graves. They don't actually label the people in them. So this is you know this is what they always do. But you see like tyra. Banks has photographed and then she's mentioned in the copy jordana brewster in a photo. She's mentioned in the copy as he julianne huff. Nfo she's mentioned the copy a liberal regal leslie man. The appetite girls mentioned in the copy. Okay i saw this photo and gasped. And then i control eft the name because i know exactly who this person is and i. I cannot believe the indignity someone went to this party. A famous person currently relevant went to this party and is photographed at this party and is not mentioned once in the copy. You heard the people mentioned in this. Everyone's mentioned in this appeal has mentioned. There's right like it's not like there's a real standard here. Everyone's mentioned lindsey. I just took a screen shot of someone who was at this party. I know this person is in a mask. And i know you'll be able to recognize her. Even tech sitter to you. That's talking alexander zardari. That's fucking alexander. Dario and she isn't named once not once. We're like ninety nine percent. Sure that's senator. that's i'm one. I'm sorry i'm one hundred percent certain. That's i'm sorry do after years of saying we can't recognize her anywhere. I'm claiming to recognize her in a black mask. Like with her half with her is showing and at and as a side profile. So to be honest you you really can't take our word for it though because we can't claim to not recognize this woman but then pull her out of a lineup with face mask. Lon she's covered up. I can tell. That's alexander daryl. I'm sorry that's alexandra outing myself. On this one. Why wouldn't they mentioned her. I think it's because they literally didn't recognize her stop stop. They knew as her her story and slate a hooligan sent it to us at sc white. One on twitter sent this to us. There's a sleet story on white lotus. The white lotus final getaway as perfect as it seemed. It's all about the story. I'm not doesn't matter what the story is. It has correction at the bottom correction august seventeenth. Twenty twenty one. This article originally misidentified alexander diario as andrea diario. Who the fuck is andrea dairy. Oh okay that's not even a person. I mean i guess maybe it may feel bad now. I'm starting to feel bad. I mean i do think that if that is alexandra. D dario at the party. She got away with murder because she got to get the free products without like without getting debased listening her every single. Move at this event. You know She was incognito aka. Just her normal so okay so there was. I have a game for you so there was another event. That was a big deal. It wasn't it wasn't like a giveaway of but it was a big event that happened over the past couple of days and i saw covered not everywhere I saw covered in one place. I saw it covered in us weekly was a and it was called the kroger's wellness experience. Yes the grocery store kroger's wellness experience. Which i'm going to call the croakers wellness experience. Okay they that there was a kroger as well this experience and so i read a story. One single story about the croakers wellness experience and road. Again about it okay. Here's the game. It's based on the copy from the croakers. Experience knows just singing programs wellness experience. Okay here we go. It's ten questions lindsey. I think you're going to do well. It's multiple choice you ready. Yeah question one. Where was the croakers wellness experience. Kansas city missouri. Kansas city kansas cincinnati. Ohio or minneapolis minnesota. This is rude because it's the seeming that i don't know that kansas city is not in kansas. It's in missouri the tow. It's there too. That's the point. Oh is rude because that. I know that they're not to get city there do. Kansas city's okay. I'm gonna go. i'm i think that's a misdirect. I'm going to go away from kansas city. I'm going to say the third one sins. Yes cincinnati ohio. You gotta rain okay. You got a great question to who led a discussion about how she manages her everyday anxiety and how to avoid it ruling her life at the croker wellness. Experience was it. A tracy chapman be jewel. See atlanta's morissette de lisa loeb alana's on tour. It definitely wasn't tracy chapman because chapman was at the dam. Indulgence just getting she would never fucking go to that Let's say jewel. You gotta right. That's to twenty two okay. Great jewels talk was given at the croakers wellness experience inspiration zone which had its own sponsor who sponsored the kroger's wellness experience inspiration zone. You can't have a sponsor. Within a sponsor individual locations within the croakers balls experience brokers wellness experience had sponsors. Okay who sponsored the inspiration zone. A american greetings be paperless. Post see paper source or d. hallmark. They had a sponsor within the sponsor the sponsor they had. No there's this whole thing sponsors with sponsors american greetings. It's gotten three of these right. Yes okay three right okay. Later at the kroger's wellness experience. The inspire lounge held its of different abilities. Better world session. This session was led by alison whirl of what. Tlc show is alison world star. A my big fat fabulous life be seven little johnston's was see big and little or d. Smothered those are all gone by the way. What the fricking smothered. Okay i. I have to say this. See how are you getting all of these. Yes big little allyson. Lower shanna okay. Progress wellness experience. I'm reading. this is copy. This has copy progress. Experience wasn't just about listening to advice and experiences of course attendees had opportunities to work out in the active zone prevents presented by blue triton. Orient says my editorial association what what hellish company recently rebranded themselves to blue triton presumably so they wouldn't sound bad a monsanto nestle water see equifax or d. unilever which one of these toxic brands recently changed their name to blue triton. Is it equifax Fags no it's nestle. Waters is now blue triton because nestle so toxic the worst company they're blue triton now not not not triton okay. The the go fit roller rehabilitation session in the meditation tent. At kroger's wellness experience offered a chance to exercise with nikki. Walter who's that. What is it walters. Oh no she. A personal trainer be a fitness guru. See a podcast. Host or d. a. published health and wellness columnist and opinion leader featured on websites like pop sugar dot com apartment. Therapy dot com active dot com. She knows dot com best life. Dot com thrive global dot com. More dot com adaptive dot com the dot common the daily mail dot co dot uk. Sounds like she's d a few more to wrap up a fun and healthy weekend. The kroger's wellness experience delivered a country concert in the fitness zone who sponsored the fitness zone was a united healthcare. Bcs see feels cbd. Oil or d. Fitbit god the dark will be a. It is a dark dark. isn't that so dark so fucking dark option. No i can. I can fully believe these like hell. Companies are paying for their ship. Pay for my healthcare bitch. Don't pay for this andy time. A health care provider. Spends money on something other than healthcare fucking wretch. Okay i wanna die. Okay which country singer wrapped up the two-day kroger's wellness experience with the concert. Was it jamie. Johnson be gabby barrett see mickey guidon or d. Willie jones d gotta right willie jones k. On what reality competition show did the kroger's wellness experience performer. Willie jones rise to fame x factor. Be the voice see. America's got talent or ordeal american idol. No expecter extract ray lynn. Who was expecting her first child with husband. Josh davis in september danced onstage at kroger's wellness experience with her baby bump proudly on display on. What reality competition show. Did she writes to fan that death. Okay she went on with blake. Shelton nine yeah one more question than you're done which of these attendees of the kroger's wellness experience. Did i make up. so this is throughout the copy. They listed all these people they bolt at them. Which of these is a fake name. A megs guelph got devon spivey. See morgan angelique owens or d. Bobby summers i think you may have deep trick question. They're all real they were all at kroger's experience. Okay we're done. You're a news conference only visit pension. Let's skip you're gonna skip the marshmallow firm booth. We always talk about james mitchell. Why is kate middleton's brother like always in the tabloids. It's so weird for various reasons. Don't you feel like we talked about him a lot considering he's not even he's literally just james pippa. He's just kate middleton's brother. I don't know that we talk about a lot on the show but we definitely text about him and we see him all the time. I just feel like he's everywhere. So this week's talk of the town which you know is like the multiple columns. There's multiple talk of the town where the town really killed me. Because the text was after getting engaged the love his life insecurity a dream. Home james middleton's domestic life has never been better now. I'm pleased to reveal that the duchess of cambridge is younger. Brothers business is soaring to his marshmallows. Firm boom has just made its first one million pound prophet like you don't need to go any further than that except for knowing that. James middleton has a marshmallow company. Have we discussed that. I don't know well this is. This is where i went. I was like boom. There's no way there's no way boom f- like a marshmallow firm is actually marshmallows. I was like. Is this some weird financial term. That means something else that was like a marshmallow firm. Like a word for something. That's not using as like company right. I i i was like does marshmallow firm means like an investment capital. Is it a type of capital or something. But no it's actually marshmallow company and they sell like greeting card boxes that and personalized marshmallow treats. I went to their twitter. Their most recent tweet is two hours ago. Why would you get them normal flowers when you can get them ones that come in a surprise. Exploding confetti box. it's like because. I don't want them to have a heart attack and to clean up. Confetti what why would you ask that question and it had an obvious answer when he doesn't boom boom so yeah. I don't know k. milton's brother. James is Sellin marshmallows out here will. He is who he's a ho ambuhl blows out here selling marshmallow. This is a one-sentence update tiga. You saw that only fans was like no more sex work backed up idiotic and stupid and fucked up but whatever only fans them tiga up Them we to. Why are we talking about him if he said that because he starting a business called mice star. That's going to be a only fans replacement and he said just delete in my only fans starting my own platform at my star. Eight and why are more futuristic better-quality only ten percent fee creators will also be able to make content of their choice. Apply now to get the. I invite my star dot com tigers. Definitely who though. I'm gonna i'm gonna argue against that point. Do not think he's them. If he was of them he would have been able to get a better handle than my star. He's just been culture for so long and the kardashian an all he's so who we outweighs the the name recognition. Which i don't even think he has and i guess he was with kylie and then kylie was like travis scott the man i choose now well. He was with kylie years ago to longtime okay. Fine he's a who let's do rita. She wary where she seen. she posted. why on instagram. She's the who clean to do. What's rita ora up to. Who is this woman. What's rita up to throwing psycho. Tda birthday party for his forty six birthday party and let me tell you the stars were out. It was a little night of indulgence. Just king was just a party. It was a party. And i do feel like In this tends to be the case. There's a lot of rita friends there. I didn't see let a taika friends there. I think they're all friends now. Michael was friends with taika. Four at michael four out. Michael doesn't count. He's the fixer. He's the glue that binds the guest list together. He's at the door checking names or whatever but you're right there were no like thorpe like chris. Hemsworth wasn't there. Tessa thompson wasn't there. Yeah we get a lot of photos of tyco's specific taika friends I think romney malik is tigers friend. Not rina's friend. Rami malik is like what am i doing here. When can i leave. I hate the signed. A he's like delete this photo. I don't want it on the internet to read a suing rita. But i mean the photo the iconic photo and we all know and love of charlie and her boyfriend. In sweats like normal gear. Like we're going to a casual a party in the hills or whatever and read in full glam and face tune right next to them is most rude rita. Shit i've ever seen. But charlie is looking at the camera as though like c- knows you knows she's like this is what happens when you go to rita's parties lake. It's just like this. No one told me to like dress up. Or whatever. Or i didn't care it's just such a funny photo that rita posted to her feet. She also posted an iconic photo of rami. Malek at michael. And morgan who is definitely was friends with rita i Bows morgan is just rita's. Bff who's everywhere that rita. That's it we also got Michael kristen stewart and ashley benson. Who i'm like ashley. Benson is such a funny person to be at this party considering how many like like didn't strikes there too. Yeah don't don't rita and ashley sharon at this point which is carried wien. Oh you dated kara ashley dated. I guess it doesn't matter. Called kristen. stewart looks amazing kristin scott like this like a hair look like brown lipstick. I just didn't like this party is just the funny is like display of read aura. And everyone looks good but rita ora is dressed for a different occasion. Okay like hundred percent and rita is dress. I don't know what the designer intended to be worn too. But i don't think it's tyco. Itt's forty six birthday. Where like kristen stewart. Shut up bomber jacket and bluejeans. You know rita style you could say is like it's my party and i'll cry if i want to. You know like it's very much. Her party and i do feel like these two are perfect for each other in a way but in a way their egos will destroy each other. You know if this is the show. Because i do feel like he's the main character and cheese certainly the main character of this podcast but in general you know anyway what else has read up to. She's literally on the cover of our sister. Our sister publication. Who weekly caitlyn sent us this. Yeah thank you kaitlyn. Thank you caitland For sending us discover she was literally on the cover of who the august twenty third twenty twenty one issue of who weekly. She made the cover. She made that cover. I don't know how often she makes the cover. I don't really pay attention to the cover of who but the fact that she's been making. I made the show on twitter. But she's been making our cover every single week since two thousand sixteen and now she's made the cover of who weekly right below killer sisters. What drove them to murder. Then reorts face I do find a little up saying that. Read or heard today tyco at td to like get the cover of the weekly. But i guess there's just how it works. She doesn't have to do that for us. Could do anything for us. And i think that's all she's up to and i think we're done listening to their of who weekly cullen. It's six one nine them to leave questions. Comments had concerns for our friday. Call show spurred some patriotic competition weekly for bonus episodes and more content. Come to see us on tour. Who weekly dot us. Slash live or just go to who lead us and click the show. Tickets are still available in most cities. Some cities are sold out. Tickets are available in most cities. Let's go cities are available only a few sold out cities or maybe just one let me the tourism for like another two months basically. So just you wait. 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Acres Homes

True Crime Fan Club Podcast

40:24 min | 2 years ago

Acres Homes

"I would like to welcome to the club. The most recent patriots supporters, Catherine d Jennifer m Joe a w Lawrence e the inkling girl who is an incredibly talented artists, amber m the all crime, no caddo podcast, Derek s and Kerry s thank you so much for your support. I just wanna keep you up to date on some of the things I have going on in the next few months on March thirtieth two thousand nineteen I will be hosting the Texas podcasters union at the yard in Fort Worth Texas. It's a really cool food truck yard where you can bring your little friends to me all of your favorite podcasters. I will be there along with all cried, no cattle. And I think there's going to be an attack on podcast or joining us as well. Head to the true crime fan club Facebook page, click on events for more information. I am excited to announce that true crime fan club is going to be attending. The first annual true crime podcast festival on July thirteenth twenty nineteen. In chicago. The festival is specifically designed around your desire to mingle interact in have casual conversations with the podcasters euless into regularly. There will also be panel discussions and live episode recordings. Some of the shows registered are the trail. Went cold crawlspace and the Canadian true crime podcast, you won't want to miss this. Go to the website TC PF twenty nineteen dot com to find information on tickets and the hotel prices do go up the closer we get to the event. So you won't wanna wait when you buy your ticket. Make sure you mentioned true crime fan club on the ticket registration survey. And I'll see you at the true crime podcast festival now I normally introduced my listeners to new podcasts at the end of the show. But this is one podcast. I don't want you to miss out on. So check out the rusty. His podcasts I'm going to be playing their promos. So you can get a taste of the show format. Be sure to rate subscribe, and positively review on apple podcast the world can be a mysterious place. It can also be a boring place. So let's focus on the mysterious. Rusty hinges has a podcast that explores mysteries hoaxes natural phenomena and weird history. Basically anything that's a bit Hanky season. One topics include the tale of Clarence Roberts. A man who died more than once then there is the maybe kidnapping of June Robles, the son that danced in the sky over Portugal in an unsolved murder on the high seas rusty hinges is generally skeptical, but never dismissive, well, usually not dismissive, you can find rusty hinges on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app. That's rusty hinges are U S T. You know, what I have faith in your spelling ability, so go and subscribe to rusty him. Ages and maybe you'll solve a mystery. Probably not. But you never know. Explicit content is found in this episode. Listener discretion is advised blocking back to the true crime fan club guest. I'm your host Laney on the south side of Houston. Liza neighborhood called acres homes acres home sits on approximately nine square miles acres homes was established during World War One. And had initially been a thriving neighborhood with each home sitting on an acre of land as the city grew. However, the neighborhood became the poster child for neglect until three different criminals decided to use it further violent crimes, okay. On the show. In February two thousand six dorky shorten was working in the sex crimes division of the Houston. Police department the Houston PD sex crime unit received seventeen hundred reports of sex crimes annually in total. There were twelve members to oversee the sex crimes unit as you can imagine. It was difficult to prosecute cases based on the sex workers testimony alone shorten was a diminutive five foot tall one hundred twenty five pounds always dressed in a business suit with tasteful jewelry. And so soft spoken. Her colleagues often had to lean in to hear her in meetings and grew up in Houston to a father who worked for a plastics company and a mother who ran a small daycare. She majored in nursing at prairie view AM. But love the law so left school to become a Houston police officer. She started in patrol then worked accident investigations juvenile crime, and as a decoy sex worker in vice in nineteen ninety six she became an investigator. Her and was eventually assigned to the sex crimes unit. She always remembered her nights on the streets as a pretend sex worker, she had her fellow officers. Just a few feet away to protect her the real sex workers did not on February twenty eighth two thousand six shorten was assigned a case involving Andrea a forty three year old sex worker. She had made a complaint that a short stout. Black man abducted her at knife point and drove her behind the new Macedonia missionary Baptist church in anchors homes. The man had raped her repeatedly. And then pushed her out of the vehicle he ordered her to face the wall of the church until he drove away. Shorten called the number. Andrea given police Andrea sister answered and disgusted Lee said she didn't know Andrea whereabouts shorten mailed a letter to the address Andrea provided but it was returned. The case was in place in the inactive file less than a month later on March twenty first shorten cut a complaint from a forty nine year old sex worker named Joe Joe reported to an officer that is stocky black man had invited her into his dark Ford or a car and driven her behind the pine grove church of God in Christ and acres homes. The man suddenly turned violent pulled a knife out and forced her to perform oral sex while she performed oral sex on him. He shouted bitch. You better not black out then pushed her out of the car. Just like with Andrea shorten call the number Joe had left, but reach Joe's father who said she was in jail last time he had heard from her short and sent a letter, but it was returned. However. Shorten realized. There was a connection between the two cases and checked out a Ford Taurus to make the drive two acres homes acres homes had ten foot ditches lining. The narrow roads rather than curbs and sidewalks and several empty. Lots many of them were full of trash or old tires. Ramshackle? Shotgun homes and tiny forlorn apartments made up the housing and acres homes, a once cheery, but now dole in nearly legible sign hung on one of the main boulevards and read acres homes. A people building community on west Montgomery. The neighborhood's main business trip struggling mom and pop shops liquor stores and by the hour, cheap motels where the areas mainstays must Montgomery's main business, however were sex workers and drug dealers shorten made her way down west Montgomery and talked to several sex workers who were out and about most of whom were crack addicts their rates were as low as twenty dollars. For oral sex and twenty five dollars for inequalities. And as soon as they were paid, they went to a crack house to get high as soon as their buzz was gone. They would hit the streets again to find another client shorten attempted to establish a relationship between the sex workers and the police, but they were really hesitant to Meeks after shortens disappointing visit to homes on April. Second two thousand six a trail of blood was discovered at the pine grove church. The blood started at alone sandal lying in the parking lot, a deacon and the minister follow the trail of blood to some bushes. There. They found a woman on the ground with her face cradled in her arms. She appeared to be asleep. However as a faint strains of uplifting gospel wafted through the air, one of the men attempted to wake the woman the woman, Pamela goss- was dead. She had been brutally attacked and stabbed over fifty four times. Pamela was a fifty year old sex worker, but. Unlike most others, she was married and lived in a house in the neighborhood. She sat by yourself in this house. Most days writing poetry and drawing the press were somewhat dismissive of this homicide writing a mere four paragraphs on her murder. However, the Houston PD was on high alert when shorten arrive to work that morning a homicide detective was waiting for her. He had caught the case. And immediately cross referenced it with any other crimes in the area that day shortened picked up her son at daycare after work. But immediately dropped him off at her parents. So she could go back to west Montgomery and canvas a sex workers. She begged them to talk explaining to them your victims here just like anyone else. One woman finally relented and began relating a story to shorten about a man who took her bind church. He was pleasant initially. But suddenly, his tone completely changed. He went on a rampage and pull. Out a large butcher knife from under the driver's seat. The man then forced her to perform oral sex after this victim told this story. Other women begin opening up to shorten one problem existed. However, the descriptions of the suspect were inconsistent shortened decided this was because of the various women's crack addictions, or because there were so many men in between the assault and the time they related the crime to shorten some said, the man was bald others said he had short hair some said, he drove a Ford or car others said it was a red pickup with a sticker of a superhero possibly superman on the back glass. Twenty nine year old Amanda told shorten her church attacker had a tattoo on his left forearm that looked like the zodiac sign for libra or balanced scales. Shorten took Amanda to her office to get a statement from her. Amanda was real thin and she desperately needed a shower. She had been wearing the same clothes for days. And the wreaked shorten bottom. Manda a Big Mac, and Amanda inhaled it and promptly fell asleep on shortens floor when Amanda woke she asked shorten why are you being so nice to me shortens mind flash back to her days as a decoy sex worker and how vulnerable Amanda and others like her were not long after shorten met with Amanda homicide. Investigators found a case in the database that was seemingly related the nude body of a twenty one year old sex worker was found in January three months before the murder of Pamela gos-. Jasmine Clark also known as precious on west Montgomery was lying in a field almost directly between the new Macedonia and pine grove churches. There were no signs of violence. So the death was ruled as an accidental overdose based on the amount of crack cocaine found in her system shorten looked at the location where precious his body was found and did not believe that she would've walked naked across a deep dej into the. Field on such a cold night shorten believed. She had been placed there Vanessa Franklin. A forty five year old sex worker was found the same month as precious eight miles away from acres home. But her body was found near the new mount Calvary church. Her autopsy revealed she died from blunt force trauma and strangulation on June twenty fourth two thousand six Patricia Duffy Garcia, a forty two year old mother and grandmother as well as veterans sex worker was dumped next to a private or road that was named Jesus street. There was also a hand painted sign by the row that red church of God property, please no dumping on June. Twenty six two thousand six the skeletal remains of a woman were found by a construction worker, but there's no location. These remains were eventually identified to be thirty one year old sex worker. Lisa Holland from homes underlying nineteenth two thousand six children are running behind parlay cafe and some. Pulled across the body of Akita Stubblefield a twenty one year old sex worker when she was a teenager before she began taking drugs, she told her family. She wanted to be a beautician and eventually owner own salon just to bring you back in the span of six months there had been six dead sex workers found five of them in homes, at least a dozen sex workers had related to shorten that. They had been assaulted by churches and homes. The media had not picked up on any of the homicides. So no one outside the neighborhood knew what was happening for that. Matter acres homes residents did not really know that much either because these crimes are occurring to sex workers. Families did not want to admit that their daughters were involved. So families were not talking to the press or holding candlelight vigils one woman's parents were so ashamed about having a daughter who was a sex worker that they did not even claim the body. And instead let her me buried in the coun-. Popper cemetery a press conference was held on July. Twentieth. Two thousand six and accrued composite sketch was provided homicide captain Dale Brown. Stated we have a very dangerous person in our city. We need the whole city to be vigilant. The community was outraged. And speculated that the police would have been more engaged if the victims were turning up in a wealthy white neighborhood pastor Chris right of grace. Temple ministries said quote, I feel violated we are being dumped on and who cares because of victims are black. Some acres homes. Women were so terrified that they stopped going out at night while other stopped attending church services. Fearing the killer was on the church grounds. One woman even kept a hatchet beside her lock door, sadly sex workers still went out after dark because they had to continue to work and support themselves shorten gave copies of the composite drawing to women working on west Montgomery. The sex workers had started calling her miss shorten and had become more comfortable with her because she was there so much. She would tell them come on. Now, you don't have to get in a car with a man who looks like this. Sadly, one woman said miss shorten if the serial killer gets us. He gets us the Gulf Coast while in offenders task force was created to find the killer more than a dozen homicide and sex crimes investigators were assigned to work fulltime on the case shorten was teamed with fifty five year old Stephen Straughter, a veteran homicide detective they were striking pair Straughter was six foot one and two hundred and thirty pounds compared to shortens tiny stature they had previously worked together when shorten was in vice they both had a very firm grasp of the geography of acres homes and kept the rise on the worst parts they checked on sex offenders followed up on multiple crime stoppers. Tips and track down men who were threatening or denigrate. Eating sex workers known wife beaters or men who had Lieber tattoos all detectives on the task force carried small DNA kits with them and ask the men they interviewed for permission to test. They had evidence to test against Pamela Gaza had been found with semen in her mouth medical examiners believe she had been killed immediately after the killary Jackie lated approximately forty men consented to the test. And none of them were matches the two. Detectives would go to a luby's cafeteria near acres homes were shortened would say grace before they began eating as they ate. They would try to create the most logical scenarios as to who the killer was they just could not come up with any identifying information to help break the case in August two thousand six the pair received their first break, a witness, April and just been arrested in charged with prostitution. She told the arresting officers and the jail staff. That she had information about the murders. The detectives went to the jail to see her. She related a familiar story about a black man and a red pickup who took it to a church in homes, then forced her to have sex at knifepoint at this point, April dropped a bombshell. She had gotten a look at the license plate of the truck and had written this number down on the wall of seedy motel room. Unfortunately, it had been weeks and she had written down the number. So Strada was concerned. The number would be gone. However, April told them where to go, and when they got there to their surprise and delight the number was on the wall, right where she said, it would be the truck was registered to thirty five year old Bill for Junius. There was a superman sticker in the back window Junius was five eight stout and had a shaved head. He had grown up in anchors homes and had moved just a few miles away from his old neighborhood. He. Held two jobs by day. He worked at a cold storage unit and at night he worked at Domino's. He also coached a youth football team in his spare time Junius had a clean criminal history. He had recently separated from his wife who said he was not violent and definitely not a predator. However when shorten did a photo lineup for the sex workers and included his picture, several sex workers selected him and said he was there rapist. Some of the women even started sobbing and trembling Junius was arrested and a court order was issued to take his DNA his DNA matched that of a rape victim from two thousand three and several of the sex workers who had been swabbed after having been attacked bind church shorten instructor were convinced. They had solved the case. But this confidence was quickly. Dashed Junius is DNA did not match any of the semen found on the murdered sex workers. The detectives realized with horror that they had a serial rapist and serial killer working homes at the same time. These two had been committing their crimes at the same churches. 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They took a young man into custody because he chased a sex worker with a butcher knife because they had taken seventy five dollars from him. They arrested an older man who was having sex with a thirteen year old. They also helped a woman leave an abusive boyfriend. But for only successes they were no closer to finding the killer. Sex workers tease them by saying y'all might as well go home the pair were so dedicated to finding the killers of the sex workers. That they place pictures of the victims in their cubicles. They searched reports of other attacks on sex workers to see if the killer had changed locations. They also read through missing persons reports to see if anything stood out in September two thousand seven fourteen months after the last victim was found. The naked body of eighteen year old willy Bianca Jones was found. She had been dumped in a pilot trash in homes down the street from the blue magic lounge a beer joint where she had been the night before. Understandably the neighborhood thinking the murders had stopped panicked. They demanded to know why they had been abandoned Monteria's cleaned empty lots where they were afraid bodies could be dumped Jones lift with her infant daughter and mother in a low income apartment and the greens point area. Ten minutes away from acres homes while Jones work, the sex trade. Her mother watched the baby shorten and slaughter went to the apartment complex where they lived and. Asked around about Jones. A man looked at them and said, none no you must be here about Candice the prostitute. Who was turned under the bridge. He had been talking to a man called baby. Boy who had said he picked up a sex worker named Candice fighting with her and ultimately dumping her body under a bridge. Short and slaughter went back to the records and found out that Candace Douglas had been found three months earlier on an embankment under a bridge just outside the Houston city limits and Harris County her shirt was on backwards leading them to believe someone else had redressed her clumsily. There were no clear signs of murder. So we're cause of death was listed as an accidental overdose. Another man from Jones's complex con crime stoppers. A few weeks later, he also started talking about this man nicknamed baby boy who told him about cruising through a well known sex trade spot in northern Houston. He met a woman and assaulted her until she was unconscious and threw her into the trunk of the car baby boy picked up his girlfriend, but while she was in the car the woman in the trunk regained consciousness and started kicking in the trunk baby. Boy turned up the radio to drown out that noise, and then dropped off his girlfriend. He took the sex worker to a quiet road pulled her out of the car staff. Her and set her on fire when shorten Straughter looked at the records. Again, they found that just a few weeks earlier Candice Hightower sharp, a twenty five year old sex worker who was a pastor's daughter from Huntsville was found burned and stabbed to death outside of the city limits. Candice Hightower sharp was the daughter of Moses in the lane Hightower. She had three small children ages three five and seven her. Cousin Shaw James said that Candace was an very abusive marriage and between that and the drugs. Candice just wasn't the same Candace had spent some time in rehab in San Antonio, Texas, but did not complete the program. They also found a thirty two year old male who lived at joined his apartment complex who used the moniker baby. Boy Brian Bernard Davis. Unlike genius David did have a lengthy criminal record for DWI, forgery, aggravated robbery and aggravated sexual assault. The last charge of aggravated. Sexual assault came from an ex girlfriend. She alleged that Davis punched her and kicked her bound her ankles and wrists gagged her with the bandanna raped her and then told her it's up to you. If you live or die shorten instructor got a search warrant for the car. Davis had been driving and found blood in the trunk, unfortunately, due to the FBI backlog, the sample was not analyzed until April two thousand eight when it was analyzed. The news was good. The blood contained hightower's DNA. Davis was finally arrested and the pair of detectives were convinced that this was their serial murderer to their shock short received another call from the FBI agent few days later, I hate to tell you this. But Brian Davis is DNA isn't on any of the other victims, including Willie Jones, shorten could not believe what she had just heard. So she had to have the agent repeat himself. Brian Davis was. Arrested for the murder of Candace in April two thousand eight just two months after Davis was arrested the murder of another sex worker occurred in June two thousand eight Porsche Turner was found in a field about five miles northeast of acres homes. She had been stabbed to death. But apparently tried to defend herself. One of our press on fingernails was torn off and an earring was ripped from her ear, but shorten instructor could not find anyone who knew anything or had any information to offer about who could have done this to Turner for ten months the two. Detectives read reports and talked to sex workers all over Houston to see if anyone had seen anything unusual, but cannot come up with anything. Whoever was murdering the women was covering his tracks. Very well. They speculated and threw around several theories like he had been arrested for a different crime. He had died or he was in what the FBI called a cooling off period in April two. Thousand nine a year after Davis was arrested. A police officer came across a woman naked and sobbing in the same field where Turner had been found. The woman was thirty eight year old Cynthia who had never been a sex worker. She lived with her boyfriend not far from where she was attacked. She told shorten that. She had accepted a ride home from stout. Black man with short dreadlocks. He had been pleasant initially than pulled on a knife and assaulted her he then pushed her out of his car, an older four door vehicle and July two thousand nine a sex worker reported to police that a black man with dreads had picked her up on airline drive in Houston. He had been driving a two door sports car. He had driven her to a remote street several miles away, then pointed a gun at her and bound her hands behind her back raping her several times, he warned her that. If she told anyone he would find her cut off her hands and feet, and then feeder to the alligators. There are similarities to send the honest case. But some. Differences as well shorten instructor weren't sure if these were the same killer or two different men and September two thousand nine in the trinity Houston gardens neighborhood, a nude woman. Ran out of a field and began banging on the doors of several homes seeking help. The woman was eighteen year old Chelsea a sex worker. She had been working airline drive when a heavyset man with dreads pulled up in a two door sports car pointed a gun at her and said he would kill her. If she didn't get in the car, he drove her to a field in northeast Houston tied her hands with the restaurant apron and raped her. But he had gotten his car stuck in the mud, and so he stuff Chelsea in the trunk and walked away to get help. She kicked her way out through the back seat and ran to a nearby neighborhood where she banged onto doors screaming for help to no avail the third door belonging to Jacqueline Hargrove produced results. Hargrove contacted the police and did not answer the door to Chelsea that. As the police arrive. Open the door to speak to her Chelsea said she needed help. And that a man had tighter up and was trying to be forced to do something. She didn't want to do the officers drove Chelsea to a field where they found a Pontiac grand dam with temporary plates along with the driver. He was thirty eight year old lamarcus McWilliams he had been raised in acres homes and currently lived with his twenty five year old girlfriend and her two small children in an apartment on the east side. He worked two jobs the early shift at water burger and the evening shift pappasito's, which was the apron. He used a bind Chelsea's hands. Mcwilliams Williams had a criminal record misdemeanor assault charges arrests for driving with a suspended license felony charged for injury. And just a few months earlier he had been arrested for possession of marijuana and paraphernalia. When he was found with the pipe containing cocaine residue McWilliams told officers on the scene that Chelsea had agreed to have sex with him for free and. Denied putting her in the trunk while talking to him an investigator noticed tattoo on McWilliams arm that look like a libra sign, but newer tattoos had been added around it the investigator immediately contacted shorten. Shortens Trotter spoke to McWilliams his girlfriend who said he was a kind gentle lover he was described as a hard worker and a chick magnet who did not need to seek out sex workers for sex mcwilliam seemed to be hiding something other than his tattoo and every mugshot he had he had a different hairstyle during his arrest. A DNA sample is taken an FBI technician called a few days after his arrest and inform them that McWilliams is DNA match that of the semen found in the mouth of Pamela gos-. His DNA also match semen found in precious Clark semen found on a sweater belonging to Judy a sex worker assaulted in two thousand six and semen found in a thirteen year old acres homes girl who had been raped in nineteen Ninety-six. Mick Williams, had been preying on anchors homes women for at least thirteen years shorten had McWilliams brought into an interview room where he stated he was innocent. All he wanted was to own his own trunking company. So he would never do something. Like, this shorten quietly laid photos of seven of the murdered women all the table and asked him if he recognized any of them McWilliams became visibly agitated and exclaimed, I don't know any of these whores I've never seen any of them. In her soft voice short and said, I prefer you call them prostitutes. And I hope someday you'll understand that they too had lives. They didn't deserve to die. Prosecutor Connie Spence wanted to try McWilliams for murder, but worried about the DNA results she figured the defense could argue that the DNA just proved he had sex with the woman not that he killed them. They decided to go for a charge of aggravated sexual assault of Chelsea Chelsea was put in a hotel room to ensure she made it to trial to testify, but she ended up slipping out officers searched for her, and she was found in one of her favourite crack houses, she was given a day to sober up. And then testified after she testified the jury only took one hour to convict mcmillian's during the punishment phase other sex workers testified about what he had done to them. His defense team said nothing sex worker said could be trusted. However, jurors sentence McWilliams. To life in prison with the possibility of parole in thirty years after their multi year investigation ended shorten Straughter went to eat at cafe express near their station. They talked about their children, but inevitably talk turn to the case shorten was very emotional discussing Cynthia Ana the woman who had been raped in two thousand nine she had called Cynthia on 'til her know that they had caught McWilliams who was no doubt her attacker. But her boyfriend answered the phone he told shorten that Cynthia was unable to get over the attack and had hanged herself. The detectives did worry that perhaps the suspect was still out there since there was no actual evidence tying any of the three suspects to the murders. But they had to go back to life as usual by the time McWilliams had been arrested Bill for joint genius, and Brian baby. Boy Davis had both been arrested and tried for their respective crimes. And Junius born on September nineteen nineteen. Seventy had been arrested on August. Fourth two thousand six he was charged in the aggravated sexual assault of a woman at twenty six hundred Mansfield investigators requested media not share any photos of genius since it was an ongoing investigation. A fifty two year old Houston woman identified Junius in court as a man who had raped her at gunpoint on August twenty fourth two thousand three outside of a vacant house and acres homes and the early morning hours. The victim had walked to the store to get a Cup of ice and a pack of cigarettes as she was returning to the house from the corner store a previous back injury caused her leg to give out and she fell vulnerable and alone. She was relieved to see who she believed was a pizza delivery man stopped to assist her. He offered her a ride and she accepted because he seemed nice as they drove away. Everything seemed to find and he started taking the correct route home, but he soon changed his route and pointed a gun at the victim June. Took her to a secluded spot between two vacant houses and said he would not hurt her. If she did what he said, he ordered her out of the truck and grabbed her by the neck when she got out he pinned her to the truck and smashed her head with the truck door, then he sexually assaulted her got into his truck and left. The victim managed to get a phone and call nine one one she was taken to a hospital where a sexual assault nurse examiner or sane collected DNA and other evidence in two thousand nine six years after this attack Junius was arrested for another offense and his DNA was collected. It was connected to this case. Ingenious his trial began on April. Twentieth. Two thousand nine before the trial his attorneys attempted to have his taped interview with police suppressed during the trial. The victim stated several times that she had feared for her life. She said I was praying to God just let me make it. Let him not kill me. He was so rough. He just had my head in that door smashing. In smashing it. She did stayed on cross examination that she had not initially mentioned the gun to police, but she did make a statement about the weapon before the trial five other women all sex workers and crack cocaine users testified that they were assaulted in a manner similar to the victim in April two thousand nine a jury found Bill for Junius guilty in the two thousand three sexual assault of a woman in the acres home neighborhood. He was sentenced to forty years in prison. It is believed. He was responsible for eight other attacks in the area, Brian baby. Boy Davis was arrested on April fourth two thousand eight by the Gulf Coast violent offenders task force. He was charged with the murder of candidates. Yvonne, Hightower sharp whose badly burned body was found just outside of the city limits. Davis was arrested at the Wells Fargo Bank at cypress station in north Harris County because he investigators had information that he was going to get some money and run Davis. Completely refuse to cooperate with investigators. Davis's ex-girlfriends said that Davis was capable of violence because he had attacked her viciously two years before they had dated for six or seven months, then his girlfriend started pulling away. She was a grand student and Davis was an unemployed adult living with his mother a few weeks after they broke it off Davis came by her apartment and waited to see her. It was kind at first but quickly became violent ordering her upstairs tying her up and assaulting her for hours. She finally managed to break her binds and jumped from the second story window to get free. He later said that someone must have slipped him some type of date rape drug because he couldn't remember the attack at all the charge was initially a felony. But then dropped to a misdemeanor because the prosecution said it would be hard to prosecute since they had been a couple in February two thousand ten jurors deliberated for six hours before finding Brian Renard Davis guilty of capital murder in the stabbing and burning death of. Candidacy? Yvonne, Hightower sharp assistant Harris County district attorney Bill Hawkins said of Candace. He know she was alive and she burned to death. And she felt that in her last moments as she died by the side of the road Davis received life in prison without the possibility of parole. Lamarcus McWilliams was charged with five counts of aggravated sexual assault and one count of murder. Lieutenant Ron Walker of the Houston. Police department homicide squad said that similarities in the suspect description method of sexual assault and location of the crimes are the reason. Mcwilliams was their prime suspect. Mcwilliams attorney Eric Davis said his client was unfairly blamed for the acres homes murders in March two thousand eleven Mick Williams was sentenced to life with the possibility of parole for one charge of aggravated sexual assault. He will be eligible for parole and thirty years. The other rape charges were dismissed the murder charge was also dismissed against him later in March two thousand eleven through the multi year investigation. The task force identified in interviewed a hundred potential suspects and may twelve arrests for other violent crimes darkish shorten a true hero in this investigation is current. Assigned to the cold case unit of the Houston. Police department. Okay, fan club members as I conclude my episode. My one question to you is how will you sleep tonight? Thank you for listening. If you enjoy the episode, please be sure to leave us a positive review on apple podcasts or your podcast player of twice. It really does help us out. 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Michael blackman michael alot. How are y'all good so we just have to ask. What was your take on the video when you first saw it. Somebody take on the video. When i first saw low x average is like i'm so into businesslike. It's very sexy. It's obviously going to get a lot of people talking. But i think overall it just really liked it was like daring. I feel like it's been so long since i've been captivated by music video as as along less time probably like lady but this was just a huge moment for like this black gay rapper. Who is trying to really make a name for himself. It just reminded me of lake older celebrities. Who would dip into like the scandalous moments. Like say like a madonna. Someone not comparing him to her exactly but just like someone who lake rows is people's feathers ruffles and intially. Yeah and you know as as a fellow queer person. I mean watching. I was smiling the whole time. I was like oh my god. I love every second of this but we know that not. Everyone had the same feelings and you know. I'm sure this was difficult You know you wrote that when you were young. Your mom reinforce idea that being gay met a one way ticket to hell. What does it mean to you to see. Naza take that narrative and flip it on. Its head i mean oh my gosh. There's so many feelings that come up just like that for one. I'm just like amazed at someone s young. I was able to get over such a huge hurdle for like a lot of people when it comes to like sticking to what your true self is being comfortable in that and walking in that and then also trying to figure out what. How do i balance like this oppressive sort of force within my life that everyone else is saying. It's so important because the black church is saying. I'm in with my family specifically. It wasn't like we were the most religious people in the world but it was one of those things where it's like. You know that god is real in that if you upset him it is gonna mean like just devastation for your life. Even as a child like i go back like i'm thinking a bit more critically being old of an adult and unlike wave but these failures were doing x. y. z. But god is not with them. But because i am attracted to men and this president of mission being literally created all of this and then putting in this predicament and yet i have to feel weird. Always conflicted feelings like never made any sense to me so seeing someone like willingness ex like just sort of like smashed. All of that open was just thrilling and like refreshing one hundred percent. I just can't even imagine how many people this affected in such a positive. I opening way who have felt oppressed in that way thinking that they would go to hell for who they are attracted to exactly and it's like now You know it's like one of those things like let's say ten years ago thirty to twenty two like i would have watched something like that and been lake. Oh my goodness i feel like. I probably would've felt like heart palpitations. I probably would have taken so many people's like words to heart if people are like. Oh he's like hell took me a while. Like i mean even now i mean nothing comfortable like now. I'm fully comfortable with who i am. Which is like ten years ago. I probably would to even talk about or think about because it's just like that is the ultimate sort of former blaspheme. But like now it's like no you know and we're not even close to dying. We will be right back to talk more about little. Not the impact. His had on blackbeard. Want to hear something. Amazing discover matches all the cash. 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Making it very clear that the point is to live your life on your own terms. How do you think has handled everything. That's been said about this particular video. I mean we know that he's received a lot of backlash from the right and from parents who are mad that he made this video after old town road. I think he's been handling it really really well. He did issue a tweet like later where he was just like. All of this pressure is like getting to me understandably so because like i do think that lake think about like christianity you think about like religion like this these are just like topics that are like so dicey and touchy and it's like he was obviously going for like some sort of teams trying to make some sort of statement so the outrage i don't think is necessarily like justified because i don't think that people have actually engaged with what he's done like in a critical way at least people who are on the right to do my opinion But i do think that him. Not backing down has been like huge. Because i feel like if you did back down that was sort of like the whole message video in general so i think he's handling super super well the video. I mean the song is now the number one song in the country. So i think they're all of the controversies over paid off because also nike was coming after because of like the the bloody shoes. I can't remember exactly who designed them with But it's like come on now. I think with all of these forces coming at you for the remain. Strong grounded is like a huge sort of thing for queer. Black kids susie. Do you think that he knew that there would be this kind of reaction. I mean like you said he was making a statement. So i mean i feel like he must have known something i would say so. Just the a little nasdaq's like he has a history of being internet kids specifically like a barb which are like what the nicki minaj fans call themselves. is i think that people like that like they know how to stoke controversy and they know how to get people talking. 'cause like i mean we know that nikki fans no dragging people like some of the craziest ways like sometimes bordering on abuse. But i definitely there's no way he could have now. You know what i mean. I mean it's literally the all the crusades happened. People have thought about religion so there's no way he was like aware that this was going to start something and you know him being aware of that makes what he did even braver. You know i mean it's astounding that he did it and you touched on this but what do you think this video means for young black queer kids today. I mean you had said like if you'd seen this ten years ago like my god your heart palpitations. But what do you think. These kinds of visuals are giving these kids today. We'll just giving kids like since that like. There's not a specific box that you even have to fit into as a person i think that with luna's x one of the reasons is so refreshing for me and i would assume for quickest who were like way younger than me. I feel like we have all of these images of queer eye people or just like a specific type of queer look in popular culture or like a way that you have to approach it even me. Think about the way people talk about like gays or like this is what the hell's kitchen case do and things like that. I feel a little xs like breaking out of that whole thing a bit and it's just like oh no you gympie like a weird black gay kid in. That is perfectly fine which i feel like i can point to that. I can't think of any other example. That which doesn't mean that. It's not out there right now. Having brain part of it. But it's like one of the biggest examples of that. And i think that as we all know at this point that doesn't mean everything that it still serves a purpose as far as like empowering people like having people have like this symbol to look up to row. Well you know. that's you just hit the nail on the head. And i hope that we see more from him you so much for joining us and this song still delivering iconic pop culture moment little x. Recently gave a fantastically raunchy performance of it on the season finale of snl which concluded with him accidentally splitting his pants. Open on live television as we all do. And you know it was such an amazing performance. And i can't wait to keep seeing and hearing more from low x. In the future so moving on back in the winter we were talking about country music and how a couple of big news story sparked hope we could see change coming to the notoriously white notoriously straight genre casey and former buzzfeed daily. Ho- sack stafford. Broke this all down with us. News culture rider element abdul maneuver. So we're going off the beaten path. A bit to talk about something. Zack is very passionate about. And that's country music. I love being very very passionate about it. Because it's my passions are derived from the fact that i am from national tennessee. I grew up around a lot of country music. Actually the funny stories about country musicians that i will share for time in which route drinking but i am a black person too and i grew up understanding that to be black to not like country music in not understanding why people thought that because black people created country music in everyone on the black side of my family being an interracial loved it so much. I'm so excited to talk to to talk about today for many reasons. So unless you're a country. Music fan. Massive fan the figures panera route like zach. Just kidding this statement may sum up what you know about the genre. It's very white and very straight but in the past week two stories of surface that show that that could be changing. You remember morgan wallin. He broke his covert protocol before appearing on. Snl he's been caught using the vociferously while drunk which is both discussing and unsurprising but what has been surprising nationals response. It's giving hope that the industry may at least be willing to do the minimum to diversify the talent pool and make way for more artists of color. Oh and that other story is that tj. Osborne brothers. Osborne come out making him. The first gay artists signed to a major country record label. It's really so much to talk about. Which is why. We're so glad. Our guest today is element abdul mahmoud. He wrote the piece. If morgan wallin's racism won't bring a reckoning country. What will thanks for joining us today. My pleasure having of course so this is interview where we're breaking down some of the stereotypes surrounding country music and i want to start out by pointing out that you are not exactly stereotypical country music fan which i love. Thank you because i am from nashville and so much about other black people so talk about your own journey with country music right. I've been. I think a recent comer to country i would say like my journey was country of started four or five years ago and i am a big conservative of classic rock person. And i'd never heard the byrds album sweetheart of the rodeo. Which is his album. That incorporates a lot of country rock elements so that was kind of my gateway and then i was like wait a minute. Do i eilly country for a long time before that i was like. Oh i listen to anything but country a worldly. I would say that was people's first personality before we music was the first personality for people guilty of that personality but also guilty of eventually realizing like oh my god what an annoying personality build your personality on lake countries great. It's wonderful music. Listen to it all the time so when we do look at this broad stereotype of what country music is. We tend to think why so very white conservative and brohi and kaieda raises. So maybe weren't so. When morgan wallin star was caught using a racial slur. What was your initial reaction to that. It was a combination of checks out and also at the same time like that tyrod. We were rooting for you gifts. Sorta like it was it was both both worlds is is really good like his music is good the first album that he was a lot of fun to listen to. It was really compelling sort of small town country music. And then like he's been he's had a few run ins with bad. Pr in the last little while you'd be as my recall that story when he was on snl and so just before he was like he was caught violating their cogan protocols and then like two months later he was back on snl. Because i don't know the country. Marketing machine is strong and does not take no for an answer and so like you could get the sense that like country music was not going to give on. Someone like morgan wallin. They're just never going to give up on someone with jeans that tight and just never would happen and so and so like when that when this story broke i was like okay. You have that number one album in america for three weeks in a row like bro like you might be a little racist like. Don't fuck. the bag is bad. How could you possibly fumble the bag this badly disappointment but not. I don't think anyone was shocked. I don't think a lot of people were like. Yeah this is. This feels like a morgan. Did it okay so like you said though that the country music machine is strong so what was the response from the music industry. Also the first time that he made that. Snl mistake like there was a lot of rallying around him. Just get him back up to the place where he was going to be because he was on the verge of breakthrough album came out and it was indeed the big moment as we thought it was gonna be this time around. The response was swift kind of the other direction so very quickly. His booking agent dropped them a bunch of radio station. Said we're going to take off radio. Which is like a really big deal in country like. It's a big deal in general but in country music specifically like radio so central to someone's rise so that was a huge sort of indication that no he fucked up really badly this time around. He also got pulled off to playlist on spotify. Curiously lewis on apple the industry sort of move quickly to distance themselves from him. That was that was industry response but affect his streams affected sales. No they went up by one thousand percent and this is like twelve hundred percent. I don't know why i under so that. Their twelve hundred percent which is a stunning number. When you already begin to realize that like this is a guy who was at the top of the charts and has been at the top of the charts for three weeks already. Yeah it's wild and you bring up the industry. Because i want to go there because in your piece you talk a lot about how black country artists are treated by this industry industry. I grew up in the shadow of a national league. It is a very powerful industry as you've already talked about with. Snl stuff so you know when people think about black country musicians they always talk about darius rucker as the example which is hilarious because deers record was already famous with a based on the same type of people the already loved him so this is like not a good example so anyway. Let me talk about this. Why is it that. He's the only example we have. And how is this industry just really blocking black people from thriving industry well dairy first of all i can't badmouth dairies i love that man but also at the same time like every time. The industry has someone to point to the leg dairies. We got one. And it's like yeah. You could have more though. I think like it's a particular recurring embarrassment of country music that lake. They seem to make room for like one. Black artist at a time is sorta like how in the nineties. They used to talk about like women in hip hop. He could have won one rapper and then treat as a treat. Women can have one as a treat and it's like black people can have one as a treatment for a long time. It was darius rucker and so it's particularly frustrating right now because we're in this moment of like an incredible renaissance a black artists and country. There's so many amazing artists are doing. Great work and the industry is not supported them. The biggest example of this is mickey guidon guy has been signed to a major label for years and years. She has never put a country album because for the longest time. There was like this question of should we position here as a country. Artist should be positioned her as an artist. And she's like y'all a country artists. I assume she said is she said yeah for sure for sure said and so after she put out an asong during the black lives matter. Pricing last year called black like me beautiful song. And that song's started charting and got nominated for for country grammy which is significant. Because now it's kind of this kind of embarrassing moment for the industry where you have mickey guyton who has been nominated for country. Grammy without ever putting out a country album never supported her and now she's nominated for a grammy in the category. Still having gone the support that she deserves from that industry. She's finally now starting to get back push but like it's not there okay. So on the other hand there was another big seemingly very positive moment and country music. Last week he j of the brothers osborne came out. He's the first openly. Gay artists signed to a major country label. What has the reaction to that so far as really positive so t two has a lot of support and they first of all the brothers. Osborne are amazing. And i love him so my and i was so happy to see that story and the support. Tj gets because like he is becoming. The first is a huge deal but also having your other artists rally around. You is an even bigger deals. Like seeing people like mayor. And morris seen people like casey most graves tweeting. There's like really excited about this moment tells you country's changing but it's changing slowly and it continues to change slowly. That's the frustration. I think there's a misconception that countries this very backward looking institution with nobody in there being frustrated by this but like the fact even having these conversations even indication that like barrel a lot of people pushing for change getting sort of stonewalled over and over again. Have you heard of any radio. Stations like polling his music or anything. 'cause i know in the past reduced. They should have pulled songs with gay lyrics it. I haven't seen that yet. That's positive it is but also like it's not like brothers osborne new. You know what i mean like. They're like this massive bestselling artists so like there is truly the safety their country that amazing blog. But it's sort of been keeping track of people in country and how they're treated like what they do is document are an evolution of how country views artists. but also like we're not the inflection point. It'd be like okay now. We're good at this. And so i would check them up because they're really good sort of breaking down. I'm so glad you said that we're just really giving me life today. Because i keep mentioning that. I grew up in national. I grew up in the shadow of this industry. In what i know. Most about it is that you know they say in public is very different than how they act in private in teaching foreign has said in his interviews with time magazine that his friends and colleagues did know he was gave for many years so people in the country music did know this just like they probably knew that mr wallin was racist. But you're planning to publicly the re positioning themselves. But why is this public positioning. Maybe not the most authentic thing for country music. Because i just keep thinking about las acts just a few years ago did win but country did not really embraced the black gay boy. He had doing pop charts in our mba. And everything else. So what what's going on specifically said you know this is not country music and of course he pushed back against that. But we're seeing. I think he's changing the garden country. But it's just sort of so slowly happening but it's kind of frustrating to watch for anyone. I don't know younger than fifty to like. There's this element of watching these things. Change watching the conversation change but also when you get to the highest levels of these institutions. They're not interested in the fallout. Embrace of these really think remained crazy to me. That artists like rain. Roberts while you have artists like britney spencer while you have artists like you'll like willie jones were doing so well that they wouldn't dislike these. These are all black artists. Who are doing amazing. I mean you wouldn't have country just from a financial and commercial perspective shift. Embrace them in a really big way because like there is money to be made. They're just like if you're not going to do it because it's the right thing to do it because you can make money out of it my god but there sort of like that unwillingness go full tilt frustrated to watch but there are these ways that we can see. That is changing. You could see someone like jimmy. Allen has gone a lot of support for being a young black artists in the industry. And like it's really great to see it but it's kind of fits within the model of you can have one one is a treat because he's kind of been the big one for the past couple of years came brown too so we've talked about a lot of change at what changing the industry. But i wanna like go back to older country music scandals. I think about what happened to the dixie. Chicks do you think we've come a long way since then we haven't we. Haven't i mean like the fact that we keep doing this. This is sort of the rest of the peace for buzzfeed was about. Is that like there are people who get second. Chances of there are people who don't and the people get second chances. The most often in country tend to be the white men repeatedly morgan walls of the world. They're gonna get a second chance and the chicks were blackballed for ten years for like a decade. There is kind of like sidelines than they can. They weren't allowed to get a second chance. That is a blonde frustrating history of this industry looking at people who say things that are uncomfortable to. I guess white men and saying no. This doesn't belong in the discourse right now. So i'd like to say that his changing but he's not changing a speed this fast enough for us to detect like instead of going to take a generational change and you know. I don't know if you're familiar with a stat. But it's pretty well known. I guess national that country music is the only john wrote that still sell. Cd's the country music lovers by sees at high rates which is more money for the industry itself. The reason for that is because it's an older audience do you think that's also a factor here for the young black artists that may be need digital sales or digital platforms to kind of grow. Is that kind of why the industry is being like a girl. Maybe not today c. d.'s. Yet i mean that's like when you have choices in terms of where to allocate your resources your invest in the people who can move those cds right who can move physical copies at walmart as opposed to have massive digital sales have said that you know like someone like morgan wall and he broke streaming records. I think he doubled. Luke combs previous record like one hundred two million in the first week and more than two hundred forty million is. That's pretty incredible and we should say the lake streaming is a young young sort of industry. Like records are being set all the time and the reasons being set all the time is because like more and more people are turning toward streaming. So that's teaching. Country has a lot of lessons to learn one of them is. If you invest more in the street efforts you will get more out of those and that includes promoting your black artists down. And you know before we let you go. Who are some black artists. People should be listening to. After so i would start with maybe chapel heart. I love chapel. Heart britney spencer's amazing. Yola so great. You'll is a british woman who does sort of country soul any you listening to her. You could swear their sounds like what would happen if aretha franklin just did like country album so i know it's incredible. An engineer really jones earlier and he's just kind of like he's like a really cheeky guy really funds of very standard country radio fund. But like he brings this extra cheesiness to it. That i really love so i would start with those people jimmy allen of course because he's been so central for the past few years so let's start there. Well i'm excited for my spotify to change drastically. 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A Win is a Win

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A Win is a Win

"This show is presented by who knew which has live sports watch live games and all your favorite teams live on who knew no cable required live tv plan required restrictions apply look here's the truth about the usa you asked at this stage of this competition if you look at the clubs in the contracts with these usa players and you compare it to the competition of course out not only in the collective indie individual usa player should dominate today's match if they don't i think fans will be very disappointed welcome in e s p n fc studio so this monday edition of the new shows longtime talk his stevie nickel on sebastian salazar where including the same blazer that i wore in philadelphia turn blue not quite a we have a huge show we've got the market's gonna join us to talk about by medica we got in dark and julie foudy window usa england women's world cup semifinal preview you but we are not starting this show talking about the usa swimming conquering the world when it started this show talking about the usa men conquering chorus out check out the highlights middle quarterfinal sunday nights in philadelphia strike berhalter and his men playing in front of a crowd of about twenty six thousand four minute room the goalie recordings having huge throughout the tournament denies christian pulisic those well they're the goalkeeper keeps his eye on the ball is not strong cleanly listen the grown lesson cues constantly keep her over the crossbar twenty five minutes in usa still hadn't broken through until this politically weston mckennie he had known about the moment from mckinney radio standing just drift off the back of his mom just scored a flop put the ball from producer good one mckinney easy had a steal one nothing late in the match eighty four minute landlords who draws ain't great say from accepting out to be a great service l u s wins one nothing they are through to the semis finals but look at that over ninety minutes against scores how the united states without possess send out shock for more perspective former u s international national hercules gomez joins us now her how would you describe what we saw yesterday in philadelphia lethargic disjointed a no sense of urgency we could keep adding and and all these different adjectives and they'd all be negative in no context are no world did you expect curse south to have this sort of dominance over the national team now before you interrupt me savvy 'cause i know you're gonna interrupt me this isn't the case of you playing down to the level of opponent chris i'll i'll play the national team between both box is it was ridiculous the best players on a night naseem politica few moments of brilliance into defensive players and walkers everyone in the step in the goalkeeper keeper it really was a sense of you if you take away the jerseys you know who is who it wasn't that bad newest national team gregg berhalter everything we've heard everything they sold us on him the attention to detail everybody knows their role but when i look now first of all the second half i know if players even when they were supposed to pressure who is supposed overlap who's not surprised her eyes cover it wasn't that disjointed from them they almost looked like these guys had trained for hours before in the hot sun 'cause when it came out they had no life chris i don't wanna hear credits gross out that should be everything on the inside everything everything all over central america we talking about herself on this side you're talking about how poorly investing place place park is it too soon to ask if gregg berhalter shouldn't be on the hot seat belt with cross out and they ceded possession now it's too soon it's definitely too soon because of everything we've waited because of year eighteen months of the six hundred eight points to a competitive game that we finally waiting for gregg berhalter you have to give him time but let's let's look really for the bar the bars mexico mexico essentially phased out rap on marcus that essentially when you look at the scene phased out clint dempsey they figured out tim howard and demarcus beasley guys were probably already andy ladder end of their career career the last couple years indoor plane besides that you had essentially the same fooled essentially the same players should be no excuse i understand there's no brooke i understand there's no yet i understand there's no tyler adams would essentially make the team better when you can't tell me that if you win those players tactically it would be different yesterday this is on the coach were looking at jason day this is usa player ratings available right now over on e s p n dot com guys i'm looking at a bunch of threes and fours and five against course how you saw the ford i did yesterday show i mean we've been talking about the coach individual all players here will have night vision julia drive home and again i mean this is what he was taken emotional william twenty four roses a game and you're still operate however you've been seattle in us this not about me weaken turn this into me but this is more much more about this usa team i mean you cannot we we could sit here we give credit the course of a ten second after that you know half the tourney attention back to this group yeah let's let's absolutely annihilated a team the competition the new details about the players don't worry about it now pushing us please you knew when you played in a tournament those call anderson and you know you could play you say and you you're gonna end the day you know is a tournament and that means nothing you're playing against the team that you know you should you should annihilate you fall asleep you don't stop properly and then it just i disagree but i'm gonna start dr king something creditor caruso here because they had been simply fantastic all tournament long they know what they're doing they're organized there what the team should be other side of that very same coin is what you see from the u s and as much as you may want to make the argument that this is a tournament that usa team doesn't care about i i disagree i think they showed freestyle says usa team would fantastic in the build up to this turned on and all they talk about ball new coach on ballots are coming in late they were disappointing i know you have an opportunity to impress you do show against guyana and beer i see turned onto beagle and then you only true test against punted my excuse making any number of changes then you come up against cruise show we are talking about crew so here we are we are we are talking about the usa men's national team that the beginning stages of this cycle players trying to figure out who they are china stampa student a of authority on a presence in scored and this is how you respond to you first meaningful test i i'm i'm with you sent me if i were if i were the best team i'm i'm i would be such as you already know how you how you have confidence that you have confidence in his coach after that covers cove is a tournament when you when you play one game and you make a living change is she telling me not to fulfill them i don't think so come on and if you if you don't think those those maybe ten of those players in this this school and so the gold cup who knew that if i tomorrow i team which pegged owners quarters for the proper tournament and they knew they wouldn't be enough to i i way i don't agree with the narrative that this is an improper tournament okay you know from the madison maybe two teams that right yes do you want to be a cycle i just stopped of his psycho try establish establish some kind of presence about just some kind of meaning about me i don't let my who is their housing opportunity here you here because i have it on stop the cycle you don't just turn it back on and say well we the good players on here's what i have to try i'm not sure how that works hercules gold cup champion i'll let me ask you is it is it that easy just suggested these players were motivated last night because the the tournament isn't up to snuff no absolutely not and i understand what you're saying but we saw these type of changing the world cup as well belgium england you guys remember that game all the changes now that said professional athlete professional soccer this is your first chance to impress the new coach really try to win back some of that someone at a good pace that you've lost the fan base over the last eighteen of twenty months you have to take this seriously i understand you win this tournament there's not a half tickets to what the coming up as anymore 'cause that's not that's not around anymore but you still have to try to win this tournament i mean style and they wanna win this tournament you should want to be put us out on the positive side of this is four games four games and you're still undefeated you still don't have one goal against i believe it's twelve goals for this is what's been seen her all there for all they they lack of fish and they're getting by now next round not might not be the case jamaica didn't play well against panama but it's still very competent eighteen that feeding them in previous gold covered this is a team that beat him prior to this go cd is another thing the good players who are those good players but that's what the other end remains germany three players but that's about jamaica goes on to win a one nothing they are through to the semi finals against the united states we saw this matchup innocent my final two thousand fifteen in the final of two thousand seventeen per what do you expect this time when jamaica and you ask me listen i fully expect you estimate and that seemed to advance i think they're gonna suffer suffer plenty if maybe i could figure out that they build up enough income down the right hand side and they're always looking for that switch switch to isolate all real or christian pulisic if they could stop that in transition they do this you see is vulnerable they are slow they are lethargic and that men feel in transition on the defensive side of the ball and that's where you've been hurting but i think ultimately the usa now some has enough weapons especially one day one especially in isolation if we say better tyler boy it's going to be something that i think you could handle her we made it through a segment without me interrupting you thank you for the time i appreciate it take a look at the end for the gulf of mexico huge favorites usa second favorites and nobody's giving haiti a chance come on the best story in the tournament why the one you install sounds like he's calling lloyd mary pugh and others are getting paid some money by who wine with the dome celebration called who has live sports its own gillette you know one simple message who has live sports you watch the biggest games and sporting sporting events on sixty plus talk channels no cable required plus you've been streaming tire who live re sign a free child of 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united daniel james's insein from swansea in one asako coming over from crystal palace how do you write what we've seen so far for manchester united this summer well so far so good i'd say a down year james is a speed machine a scene in play swazi obviously this is a step up and i think he's kind of frightened nephew premier league defenders spent this past but wound asaka great signing rarely a he's a really good story couple of years ago nobody ever heard of him he'd been playing cage football in south london he was a right winger going nowhere in particular crystal palace they invited him one day to joined the first team training session came out wilford saw he was a right winger being off defending it right back so i couldn't do a thing with him after that everything is history and he's got these kind of telescopic legs and great recovery's speedy always gets a tackle and so yeah i think this will solve not just you're not is problem at right back but they need to do a whole lot more we don't know what's gonna go on with poke but we don't know what's gonna go on with lou cockerpoo and plenty more business needs to be done by miles off but at the moment metres united finished six last year these two moves how close did that get him to lease or contention well no that and they're to be honest with you because i think they need to tighten up they defense 'em they've signed marcus rash but incidently to a new contract lost in the twenty twenty three a day i understand that some more good news for manchester now i think you're gonna have the judge did not now but near the transfer deadline let's see how much more business they can do remembering they don't have the feel of champions league football star trek mammography names interestingly enough switching gears here it seems like chelsea and frank lampard are inching closer and closer and you think this is a good move in it's a punt i think i'll tell you what because he's only had one year as a manager that was in the championship the second level would be county okay he got them to the playoffs final i mean the fines against a love it he's an idol a darling of everybody at chelsea so that prying is kind of work but chelsea is a club of chaos and until all it's a difficult environment frank knows it so this jodi morris who is coach with they academy that he'll be franklin passed the system if i ever get stale completed i think that going typically dobie county is present club issued a statement today saying that lamb pod wouldn't be involved with the training for the time being you can't have any guests because he's concluding the chelsea dale more news from chelsea mattel cova church will be staying with chelsea after his loan move from around the dread has now been completely he'll be with chelsea rate him you think that's a good business for do that oh yeah i think that's gonna do that better business because they got the transfer a ban on on that got lost the streak streak central midfield flat out injured for a while longer yet with his achilles so yeah they have to do kabbage when he doesn't go back over forty five million they have to do it and i mean come on here right if i if i really what did he do somebody tell me what it does 'cause he doesn't say it doesn't score goals he's a defensive midfielder it doesn't kill position we posses forty five million for war somebody somebody please in late may well this guy does it's now a year ago i thought coaches uninteresting acquisition and everyone for primary price i think you could have made a decent argument for it but get more we've seen from him in chelsea shit it's been nothing short of underwhelming i don't think he delivered on only promise you showed a newly promise he showed in madrid how unfit chelsea inquisitive point i think it's a very hopeful wanna hear the voice in hard i'll repeat the point because come by anybody else they're gonna be lights in central midfield they can do covered still because everything was agreed ahead of that transfer ban i think you're right he was paul ready for most of the season with chelsea but he did improve in the later stages of the euro league and start to look a bit like reply we'd seen in the past maybe you're buying i know i mean i i understand why they signed him jump but at forty five million listen especially like ten or twelve really the fifteen million even even even twenty in today's market even twenty i would understand stand up because of the situation the rent but they spent forty five million genius yeah no bill thank you meanwhile stevie some early rumors that maybe liverpool could be interested in welcoming back continue what do you think about that should i stay away i i find that something that would never happen why well because whatever continue their feelings barcelona it's gonna go somewhere to play you she initially telling me the is gonna go to liverpool and that means the south la on money's not only play i mean i just don't see how that happens i think it would be fantastic delivered to you know the fact that needs to work before with those guys sorry they've made it work before with those three guys on the field at once why couldn't well no they when they when they went home regulars there's three is a shell from three different three of the european champions the front three the almost one liverpool the league and said he is he's just gonna turn runners splits all you're doing isn't happening so why would continue go elliptical and not play ball flavorful it'd be great for players like that and take three retiring this year while they need a fourth guy and they absolutely do but it has to be a young guy who's gonna set no planet again or odu routed through before i'm you know don't get me wrong i i'm i'm with you on this i i i think continue 'em mix you scored better i i'd be very much said i am but i don't think given what we've seen from him in a boston so the shoot he has any right to go anywhere old boombox anywhere on demand this dot i i i just think he's been underwhelming and maybe if you can convince him to be a positive for and whether you pay three rotating eight three or you play for every every show off to the as need be maybe sugary drinks accept they they incredible thing is we're we're talking about a guy in i think moral correct and and criticizing continue for what he's done in barcelona as we speak he's kinda in brazil and he's fine he's he's the he's the whole for them he's the guy they won't in the bowl he's the guy they won't making posses in scoring goals taken finally so we can have to find a lot of grown between criticizing sizing the guy and evaluating the volume as well it does in i wonder what your sense on this is that continue overturned deliverable well it's an interesting idea didn't happen frame really did it at barcelona but remember hasn't really and frame it into a bit before he went to liberal he did what frame that it will be offered him going back after everything that happened and whether the fans would quite accept that because he did hang together way i just wonder if they did have in back and they certainly know should listen to the moment whether they might use them as they attacking midfield pie behind those a famous front three is just a thought isn't it absolutely a guys more interesting news sky reporting the arsenal and maybe forty million pounds per wilfred how much better would actually make arsenal in good signing for them but i think that there's a long way from being done nothing else come up with fourteen million pounds but i think crystal palace one double that remember they lost the soccer they don't really want to lose is a key player for them i think he wants more penalties than any other player in the premier league last season without him what will crystal palace bay whether they be relegation shouldn't candidates wouldn't die so i think that there's a long way from happening well we were told us about fifty million pound hispanic so asking prices i say so you do the math stevie from a national perspective is this where you strengthen the team if you had money yes absolutely i think over a new question makes them better this the thing i can understand this who still don't have any money where's where's the money going you know what fearful real seafood or fifteen years ago we were told they could they could compete with anybody in the world that that's why even dizziness head over suddenly go any money incan you shine some light on what's going on with arsenal now icon shining lights on that and i'm and i'm sure they still finds would be looking just just stan kroenke it's come up with the with the money because they have to spend the get competitive again in the chances of being a top four team mccain will stand around who decides to spend money will read about on dsp n f b dot com get live up to the minute breaking news throughout the transfer season over on are transfer tony what makes the catch us on tomorrow's show plenty to discuss and unfortunately will be recapping the big showdown between england and the united states the women's world cup reminders we take a look at the bracket metal and sweden on wednesday england the u s on tuesday both of matches in leone at is the final on sunday let's talk england u s to get some perspective from in dark but let's open this up with julie foudy who joins the show julio's is usa team recovering from these final before the final but they want against france their focus they're laser focused one of the first questions we ask them was how do you come off the high of a game like that against france where it was not just physically demanding but emotionally as well and they all reference the fact that they got in the locker room and they were like that that was amazing but we haven't done anything yet now we recover so i mean the issue is that it's been super hot we thought paris was hot leone has been even steamier feels about like a hundred degrees in humidity that's supposed to cool down down for game time tomorrow but still it's been a lot to deal with in terms of training for these teams julie i'm curious so much was made of lindsey iran's absence in the match against france roosevelt did not have her best game gelato seems to be a little bit off the hot seat you think she goes back to that eleven it worked against france or could we see her ran back any opening eleven now i mean it's hard to know in terms of knox and injuries we haven't heard anything they say they're fully fit and ready to go a mega repeat had taped up right hamstring today i asked a press officer aaron high fits what is the main and he's like she's thirty three years old that's what it means 'em so i think that what you're gonna see this is the same the same eleven i think the only question mark in that lineup because i don't think they're gonna obviously mess with that back back line by pushing earth's back i think the only question mark of courses saran in whether she feels that she and get more out of her with some fresher legs but if sam newest feels fine and roosevelt feels fine i think she's gonna go that same eleven are let's get some perspective here from in dark then in why in the world is film level so upset now explain this hotel gate scandal to us well i think he's or mind games really nothing phone apple's been around a lot of big matches remember when he was a player i think he's just trying to make sure that this england team don't have the mentality here that getting to the semifinals was great and they've kind of reached the pinnacle i think he wants them kita that's why he's saying also getting the semi finals if we don't get any further it's a failure so he wants this team pump top together and try and provide the shocking pete usa what i would say about england is two or three years ago i think they've been in all may be a bit intimidated about meeting the usa now i think that mentality has changed i think this this is a different england a stronger more determined england they played the usa in the she believes cop but if you're asking me for protection i still think the usa look at another level from all the teams that are saying playing in this women's world cup and i think they're going to let you know i think it'll be much tougher game and the from one i truly any british press is really running with this arrogant americans narrative you believe he american team is behave arrogantly at this world cup now i really don't know i've been around this team for quite a while is is julie foudy knows as well and so i kind of half no the players you're talking about meghan rep pino a she's out there and she can be politically but she's a nice person and i think most of the players are quite humble rarely when it comes down to it but i all being portrayed it's fair to say in the british press as a bit arrogant because they pounce on this quote by ali krieger the reserve right back who says the usa not only the best team in the tournament they're also the second best team in the tournament is well then there's this hotel gate thing which i think is a bit of a stolen the seek out where the uss officials are apparently went to be england hotel to check it is a possible base wild england team were away training film that didn't like that he's seen something on the hand about it or is he just pretending he seen something that i think he's just using it as a wider stoke things up a bit julie wanna get a sense sense of your reaction but first let's take a look at these odds to advance to the final end there you could see it on the uss are favorites this hotel gate and i'm quoting here scandal julie what's been the reaction within the usa camp stole minute teacup i love that from duckie stole michiko i would agree with an i think it's been blown out of proportion the question was posed a first agilis at the press conference yesterday an she was basically basically like i dunno i mean it wasn't me over there must have been to my staff i don't even know a in my understanding from you at soccer is they got their approval from english efate to come to the hotel an apparently film level didn't know that so when he gets asked in the press conference he says well i you know i'm i i was fine with it but then as he kept talking he's like but really it was a breach of etiquette and then he kept talking a little more and and really i don't think i would do something like that so i don't think it's much to and and i think there's you know it's the british press is right in then i could take things around with that little spy gate is always good for game three will be faster the reports is they're already coaching well failed ville said so i wouldn't blame the media pouncing on it a in the way they have it in that this is a good story but i'll go back to that phrase it is a bit of a storm in the thick i don't think it's relevant when it comes to the match itself but i'll tell you about there is a bit of needle that between these two countries is no doubt about it the special relationship i think is on hold tomorrow you know we got year production literally here you're i mean i will add one more thing savvy to that is it's it's interesting 'cause they pose the question is jill is more is this arrogance 'cause you're coming a scout for the final meaning you're already think you're gonna be in the final end for the recor united states federation scouts every hotel in fact they were in niece scouting for the third place game as well so she's like no this is what we do we go out and scout we don't know where we're gonna be next we gotta look at everything okay predictions i am taking the united states of america two to one well i do think the usa well when i mean obviously arming lash so i'd like to see england do well in this game i think it's like three semifinals interrupt but but hey look my head says abortions usa team i don't think i've seen numbers come bonding say all right now i think they've been prepped tacoma slippage and i agree with you truly i think they are gonna win this game in julie great stuff thank you as always the time a reminder if you want more coverage of the women's world cup check out our daily podcast k mart grass and i teaming up you could download that wherever you get your yes tennessee podcast i tune including he ever have a question but one of the guys on the show extra time is or you answer your question is well all the right things on instagram soccer you were a this weekend oh how do you make this a story i wouldn't want to know too many showy myself a look how long i think down the ruler a we want we want we want despite what is called yeah look good in making a comeback all right the get maybe we will see an accountant all right well a lot extra time what we're doing now i do what if i ever open the show that way no totally throw you off what i wouldn't know what to say i asked the founder and when he did that without notice in you no no no issues have been not to know his whole foles for still the same old said how do you say all right not to just come out you're just like i do it most not all right just old who says we got here and we have in dark with the hey in a race over already eighteen teams harper be forty one no enron two leaders all over the news let's hope no line get it like i mean this is why we watched the product is standby to be surprised but there's a poll of manchester city favorites the way out in front again yeah all right who's challenging than than in while the usual suspects but i think it's interesting this season is you could see maybe moves or less the city or in evanston may be looking crash that took six if a lot of manchester united terms of strength coming up next question comes in jordan magic neighbor football player of all time who had these recently you're and we see this question which they see me a favor football ono that one twin spires unify who's your favorite teams will tell you you don't have more to any shot down by my favorite player of all time authoritative what about calling my attempt that they kept my favorite player but i'll be honest i am a wrist shot spot per per per mario world cup i was nine years some kind of given laid the give it away by is the first time i really appreciate the work of what was going on and on of course seventy in argentina's brian kemp as one the golden boys and just had that tournament the light show only time i've ever been stuck stuck in my life is when i met competitive push outta work and only time it's crazy he's like a world cup golden boot and he has a cubicle with a name that does mattio campus if you guy weird new who model campus was and you were just chatting with you a job anyway this guy just worn the new or the vsbn is e is ee nicest person ever unbelievable who's your football at all times part of that story shock and just tell because i wanted along the cardinals ask him one day and bumped into marietta campus and i didn't realize it was ham the first time i met him so yeah that was a wonderful moment he really did have fantastic charisma but for me this is a non original choice the best player i've ever seen is messy pairing up anybody i know i love telling you there plus how many people would suddenly window willie henderson play three rangers right now advocating a dock remember willie jones yet we both joe yeah and then you may see the amount of dollars and apparently george asked yeah i'd julia fashion boots i think actually one of the primary school 'em peter georgia best books and i think a less the less when when we check in this film i think they're still there i'm old school really on hey when i was a kid when i was a kid i used to i used to idolize a right winger replay proposed smith and they were in the division then pizza harris played a lot more times stymie matthews around that time he was absolutely magical one night they played aston villa in a mid week i was playing on the right wing east go five goals and i do not believe you need to worry about giving originally doug gave us talking about styling five all right next question here which newly promoted side do you think will have the best team in in the premier lee canyon who are being racist and villa i think really i think to play some good stuff but i think it'll be touching gopher them shepherd things going on behind the scenes but like the manager that chris wilder low they're not as hot they think the any of these teams is going into roosevelt totally unique right name but it shouldn't be such a huge surprise i when you look at some of the players that they had and playing in a championship level samuel league players playing in a championship where is no disrespect canada the three coming up but only a player right now are jumping ship players that moving up to the brand new if i remember when put on got promoted in and they spent a ton of money left so i pulled him over promoter tree i think put on monday one's gonna make all the noise and i couldn't be more maybe twenty twenty one twenty two geniuses fun mariners bugle right thin moment from your career shocker favored over my career and this is easy painful trying to be with us this week match specifically yeah well specifically because of the first time we played in the world cup on and time to be on the pitch but i it's something i never thought that would be navy veteran choices to one but i'll tell you as our member the full stable place and i did my folks of a professional game after the game i realized i could actually do the substitute i'm pretty sure i know your favorite moments from career y'all go you say well he's right out that that's that's not i don't and somehow get off so impossible but you're doing that brazil germany guy wasn't amazing thing that semi final i mean brazilians right but germany winning seven and then brazil that was unreal you do you're talking about a guy in the people are gonna be talking about in half a century is time so that kind of stands out but yes and go was well i think k decay you don't like christmas card list i said when i go into those steve nichols testimonial stay there yeah i remember i remember talking on the phone about half an hour by older is gonna be happening any anybody a when you there's a long history as you become a threegame maybe it's even though we rights of women extras every right years you wanna know yeah i've been told i needed to keep his response sponsor to the next tweet it out and make sure i got it was a reminder cb cb no question to breathe deeply all right that justin bennett wants no conceive elaborate on paul story from yesterday about him bleeping naked on all fours me amazon extratime yesterday to listen to you don't listen to the show every day i didn't use to they but generally do now is there is a sleep on a horse and then asleep in the shower i believe in that story oh you're so he went and breaking news this is the reason these big google will keep plugging she keeps tell us how you would sleep on all fours was only you know when you said not one another when it came to my head and you're going to build outlawed i like almost meeting yeah yeah the one thing i went to bermuda watch the goal for this incident on the way but they never told you that it's not that story when we get nobody's gonna be i'm gonna tell you what i heard about the nick foles i'll take a tour bus from yesterday that make it into the broadcast that authorities say that again sex the laptop didn't make it into the testimony last broadcast that story no it didn't make it because i tell you something listening to those two ash accurate and stevie talking reckon the players back then had way more fun into today's plies eating fish and pastor and fruit all the time and i think they enjoyed a few nights i could feel about four essays if you go and you know i what about my point is that when when the when the rest of my money is in the you know the friendly a few years ago when i was telling them and a mickey feeling and fat again i came fema talk in a way this afternoon talking about because we don't miss the stories and everyone else and i said to my field i said i'm assuming the players don't laugh as we used to anyone why why should we we gives some days off somebody else and he said but we've got some guys they off he said no guarantees end this five a sexual move some low budget trailing rather just be for their own new migrant early anyway does area fan i how the laker games in the phones and they gums and all that philip pa david himself recently about pro no wasn't mood multi car crash no of course davey well yeah we missed you still go sales for the benefit it'd be kind of enjoying yourself and absolutely from the nba the golden enjoying yourself some

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Gary Pratt Singer Songwriter

"The horizon talk radio all line from the highlands of scotland. We off voices from around the world. Best on your number one. Talk radio stations we. Oh yes. welcome to the second hour of the funds musician. Show van de peach radio. Dot co dot eu bussan speaker tune in radio apple. Itunes google podcasts. Averaging nearly everywhere. And we've got gary tonight Gay pop music. Dot com is the website. He's obviously on all the major facebook as spotify youtube amazon. Twitter pinterest a probably everywhere. I look everybody is is is which is very good guy Welcome to the show. Anyway i've a side trip upside down photo again. How thank you. I'm glad to be on the show. Thank you for taking the time. Now is is very good I'll just read a little bit. You buy basically our Senior sunlight most of olin energetic country entertainer who connects with his audience. A group in out coal mining town of ville pennsylvania in addition to being the front man for several local bands in the pittsburgh area is had the expensive in the nashville club while showcasing is at the pleasure of singing. The tennessee state via walkie got music festival and seeing my festival guy. Who's been the opening actress. Such great dwight yet. Come pam tillis lowey morgan slap and my favorite phone enough from the crystal gayle tonight. Mahfoud is full coming march album. Release something remembrance. Mt To michael for having you on the show dedicated to his brother recently. The is combination of guys. Originals and songs went into few sunday. Is the toll try. It was bitten by gummy award. Nominee tony abbott vote. Goth books the dunce in the may komo than a year. That was coated. Toxic titanic studios with engineer the Producer bein co actually put savannah and music artists adam and so. I am pronouncing the these names. But that's a very sad and the grammy award nominee. Tony vata relevance in some want to put by towards the end the show for that so anyway. Just come back to normally talk about where did you or should site-wide you start would be to do painting white books music. Well i i'm pretty creative. But i don't know music is always always been in my blood. Since i was a very small child I used to just Thing and singing singing I used to You know sit in front of the tv and watch you know all the awards shows and you know just wanna be up there on stage and then I actually used to take. I used to take Get kids from the neighborhood and my rela relatives who were the same age like we were like You know fifteen fourteen. Whatever and We used to. I used to make them put on. Shows we would sing to You know to tapes. And that. And i guess i should have invented karaoke because that was before kariuki was out so i'm going to be a millionaire but anyhow we used to have these little shows in our backyard and the the parents would bring all these dinners and we would sit out there and do these shows and So i i mean i've been involved in music. I was a kid and then in high school. I joined Well actually i formed a few bands and mostly everybody in my bands were older than i and And i guess that was a benefit because they were like all you know in twenty twenty one or whatever and so we played some places that i probably would have never played If i you know was just in a garage band with the people my own age and you know. I always loved country music. But i've been in some fan from top forty bands but i've always went back the country and All my life. I've been doing music through high school through college. And like you had mentioned. I was nashville after call age and did my stood there and sort of got depressed actually about the music Nothing was really happening. I was a lot of places but Everybody wants you to play for free actual at that time. I'm sure it's still the same and everybody is good. Everybody's doing the same thing and I moved dot com. Get a real job and So to quits singing for about a year and i was sort of not I wasn't happy at all. just I guess 'cause you know. I wasn't doing music so i started just. I didn't care if i sang in the basement. Or wherever um as long as i was singing You know. I mean that's that's part of me. It's been a part of my my being so when i didn't say i sort of lost half of myself and i wasn't happy it wasn't probably wasn't nice but people but i Started selling again. Like i said and it brought me here so So blessed to be able to talk to you tonight and be with mts records with michael stover and the people that i'm a meeting now and the contacts and You know. I like you had mentioned about me opening up for a lot of people i i did that I continued to sing Here at home. And there's a place called the palace theater and opened up a lot of folks there and You know it's just it's part of me. It's it's part of who i am and it's always been like that so i knew would always be music from when i was a kid. What i'm looking at your schedule for twenty twenty one. Now we've just come out of you know we all live in the wild of this pandemic. You seem to be very for booked up. Perm especially june july of july. Mainly it's good that you've got somewhere to go and play a lot of people out there that have Yes amazing that you don't say well i've not normally i do is listen during the break but at the rascasse run lights. I didn't actually listened to music. But i'm looking forward through tobacco country. The las gas was a bad country in deposit. You sound very countryish. I think it's because country can be played in any different of style Is not always the the traffic and country house now Dolly parton sample or clamp revised. John denver different styles count. Yeah country music especially. Now it's such a you know a wide bay. He can go from something. That's so classic country to something. That's almost you know pop and and even like the rap music I'm more into I guess the the middle road there. i mean i got Still guitars and fiddles on on some of my songs and some of them are more contemporary than others but Once she listened to the album. It's like one whole. You almost have to listen to the whole. you know. You have your individual songs and they have all meanings but You know my dow is More like right in between era. I believe We're like glue combs Or Where he can go from ballad to sing a drinking song. You know that's more my mom style. I believe on. I hope you. I hope you like when you listen to. You can email me and let me know what you think of the album. I appreciate that covertly you the stage with kate. Yeah i i've always been a fan of duets and Like when i'm doing of these shows. I mean you know the local shows you're talking you know three hours you know you have a break in between and you know. I don't want people to get listen to me on night. i like having a girl singer and Kate actually She's this. She's pretty new to this. She's been with me about a year and a half now and We do a lot of our shows together and You know she's she's becoming very good. And and i'm just so proud to have her with me do a lot of duets. She does some of our own stuff. And of course we'll be doing all the new stuff it's on the on the album now to which there isn't do it on air too but She is a director of Of music at a few churches and We do some christian music to in our shows so we sorta shake it up and sites that i've variety you know but i i love doing duets and She's she's a great girl. I love her to death. And you know we're having fun so we're been practicing for our new show recently and it's gone pretty good we we've got some things are now but we'll get there you know it was. It may be when. I chuckled to myself. She's the music is director of some the local judges. And i think that's amazing when you can put music with prayer united together. 'cause a lot of the church is you have to read them boring things in yesterday. seeing them born him. And why can't you just if you've got you really love him. I'm just saying in general now doesn't matter what church you just say from your heart. What you feel you know. Rather than this is a hidden for today You know. I watch a tv a lot. When i'm not doing this stuff. No casino. happy them. People are in these Presbyterian churches and christian churches and the singing you know really loud well known songs and they're so happy this nothing better than You know In god's our foundation we always pray before we go on stage What we're trying to write some songs together. Also like the right some christmas from people national and i have some ideas. But i'm very i believe in god i mean i talked to him every day from the time i'm up to the time i go to bed. I mean he. He walks beside me every day. And having kate now coming from that background. It's actually making me grow. Also you know In a religious way in a christian way and You know i mean. He's he's my foundation. I mean i. It's all his timing on everything you know. I think Years ago if have been doing what i'm doing right now you know talking the you. I don't think i would have been ready. It's like now. I have a story to tell. I have You know some of not always. What the straight narrow road neither. And you know because god. That's that's why. I'm here and i'm far from perfect and i just I wanna be a better person. And i have found i. I believe this Anti that through making this album. God has shown me how good some people are. Most people are. I mean just from The guys in the studio and you know we talk about god and and You know how people have Prayed for some different things recently. Going on in our. I'm my family's life and how people just are supporting my music and You know being out there with social media now. I can let people know you know how i feel and even on my facebook page you know i. I usually put like a prayer of the day. And i mean that's my foundation. And you know i mean you can get through anything with god and and you know i i could go on and on and talk about this forever but Yeah he's he's behind me and You know he makes everything happen and and I'm just so blessed so blessed to have him in my life. So i think kate of meet you. It wasn't heard that met you. Will you met her. He begs together because like tavon before the end of the show. Next seti of minutes. We'll we'll explore an idea that i've got for an event that whaley bringing the listeners to all of us you know but really offend. God puts together for that the idea of in many repairs. You bet like chinese whispers in verse. 'cause chinese whispers When you i say something somebody else's It gets diluted in the message is different after a few people but this is more. Come up an idea. Then you meet somebody else and they come up with a bad idea and everyone keeps out into it every music yet. Anyway let's go onto one of the songs traffic which way yeah. I'll do it in the middle of this time of her songs. I am if. I don't know i listen to music. And then apply free some random. The avenue heard. And then i do that. 'cause not everybody Hazel the other songs. That people make said i'm gonna play to find his first. And then you tell me about carsten. Detroit sure When he told you now we will take in was rigged a smile key. Hey hand her straight. We never know found own faith. Thank you sir The only ooh ooh any old took is see divine. You're listening to the andy. Peaches show every monday wednesday and saturday at eight pm. Gmc and three pm eastern standard time. In fact that's now daily the same time. So we've got gary music music. Dot com is the website gary. Tell us all about As locally sung in is a lady singing Kate because she's really got country voice though. Yeah well actually not kate on their Her name is savannah neider and She's also with mts records with Mike stover i Sorta surprised mike with that I wanted when i wrote that. Song is flooded should be a duet and I had heard santana From my producer. Brian cole. He had Playing some stuff you know for me. that she had recorded and when i told brian i said hey i i. We recorded the song as a solo. You know and i just wasn't happy with it. And this was back in july actually under july the pandemic was still going on Pretty full force. And i told brian i liked to do a duet and i was sort of thinking of you know kate or someone around here in these then i saw you know what let's surprise Mt and i said let's get savannah to do it and So brian and i you know got in the car. Drove down to nashville. Because we didn't want didn't want to fly with everything going on and of course. Nothing was really going on in nashville at that time. But i got to meet savannah for the first time and we went into omni studios in nashville and recorded Recorded those tracks in I was just so happy with it and got to be friends with Savannah and her husband are wonderful. Couple and i did go out to dinner with them. We could at least do that. And hopefully mean higher. We'll we'll be able to write together and a future and so talented and it was just a you know a pleasure to meet her and have her on my album. So then I think Mike was really surprised. I had her on the album. And also another recording artists from s matt weston and It was just sort of nice to have some other people that are on the same label and you know to set it up for them like that and i think they were surprised but That song you know. I wrote and You know everyone can relate to that because they lose people and You know relationships. Don't work out and you know they were don't work out for a reason because that's not the right person for you and See after lose people before you find the right one and that's what that's all about and it's funny you pick that zombie and You know there's a lot of Belief you know in that song you know saying that You know god had a plan all on that You know we would need some day but we had to go through some other people learn some things before before we met and You know you found your true love. So that's what that sounds about berlin Kelly let's play 'em which we play. Let's play something worse than greenland Again tell us about that. That was a great Conception of of what you said about to find those I just i just get blind. Why am i supposed to understand you of just went in the song spent years well or days doing it and then playing then to me. I'm not the songwriter person. But i definitely am the listeners. I i get the listener part of it. But i don't get the sunday passionate food. People are so passionate about the music. You know when the writing about. But i don't know i guess yeah then i say again right you know songwriters i mean you know they take an express nothing express what they fail or you know you get an idea and then he can express it and you know. I think that's part of the artist. You know in in every musician. And if you know that you can express what what you think or what. Someone else might be going through and you know listeners. They want to identify with that and they want to identify with a song. And hey that's me. They can't express it but when they hear it they know they they have some kind of You know connection with that song you know. So that's you know we're all different. I guess you know you. I mean you are why i said that no. I was trying to say but as listener. I definitely get the passion in that song anyway. this may be relevant something. Remember when you've just told me less than play this okay The giving land lab son we saw are the will a ooh two two so between three men. Do you remember. Give and really never be worried. Forgive remain no Pity own three men three. We always so oh our own. Rami between thong viewers three men member They go something worth remembering. Yeah When i started recording this album i wanted to dedicate it to my brother who we lost about three years ago and We're very close and You know he died at an early age and I just wanted to do something in his memory. And i didn't know what to do so when i started recording. This album is said while. I'm gonna dedicated to my brother. Dennis and in his memory so Started getting some of my songs together and When you listen to the album you'll you'll see how how it's like a whole life story of somebody the good the bad and everything. But i can't according the songs and i. This song came from last actually It's written by tony. Harada is Road to dance for garth brooks and i love garth brooks to and it was like so cool to have such a known mitre On my album anyhow all these songs they were there but they just weren't making sense To dedicate it to my brother. I mean there were things in there of course but you know. Someone writes a bulk and dedicated to someone. It has nothing to do with the person they dedicated to It's just ask some words on a paper. And i didn't want that. I wanted this to be like somebody's life. It could be my life. It could be his life Or whoever i want people to relate to it but My producer brought this song into me and said you gotta listen to the song. I know what you're trying to do. Maybe this will help you know. And once i heard that song it made the whole album makes sense. I knew exactly what song i was gonna put. I you know and the order just sort of fell in place. And i knew that was going to be the last song and i knew that was going to be the title of the album. Something worth remembering and you know it's about you know going through life and and you know changing the bad things and doing good for others and and You know maybe have an addiction or something and or or you know get get out of that you can get out of that. You know There's you know if you need help. There's help out there and and you wanna do good things for people you wanna remember it for for good things in life and making the world a better place. Even the smallest thing is open a door for someone else or you might make their day. you know. That's what we all need to do. You know we can make everybody's life and you know maybe a little bit better you know So that song has so many different meanings My brother do things for me that i never realized you know like how good he was like. I it snows here in you. Know near pittsburgh. And you know i'd come. I have a another business in town. I would go to my business and he would have the sidewalks done for me just little things. You know He's he was very a lot of carpenter work and he. You know i'd be trying to fix something in a That's not me. You know. And i wouldn't be going right next thing. I know he would show up at my door. You know i mean he was making He was you know he made his mark. He did this for everybody and he made his mark on his world. And you know that that song something worth remembering. I'm in you know he has. He's done so many things that people remember. And i i still hear about it and oh. He did this and he did that. And it's like wow you know so. That song just brought the whole album together and once you you know it's it's it's like i said life story from the beginning to the end and It it. I loved the song. And i'm so grateful to have it on the album. Sounds very Very colon impersonal. Only only shame to life is ahead above those totally the opposite you know those only will not be a motive was if he gained than he wanted my company and i didn't talk for ten years and benedito mcgann 'cause it was upset me. Mum she was getting old. We thought we is relatively happy together. As vers per a mom died and then Fella pieces again so no shame. You can blame god for that. Oh you can blame yourself either by. It probably wasn't meant to me. I i have another brother that we know we're close. Am you know we're always there. We always have each other's back one more story just real quick about my brother. Dennis was something he used to do that. I never realized he did this until after he was gone. But with a lot of these things. But i'd be playing some places that weren't really the nicest places and you know there was a lot of trouble. There's some times. But i realized he would show up. He was a big guy. I'm a little guy and He was show up at these places. And that's all you come out tonight. Yeah i come out to here saying and now looking back on things. I think it just came there just to make sure i was okay. You know 'cause you know something would start there. He would be guy that would you know he would take care of it. But you know and i appreciate that so much and you know. I think it's a shame that people in some families don't get along and you know don't there's always something but you know what life's too short the and you shouldn't use that energy You know in a negative way you know. Just try to. I guess what you have to do is more change the way you react to some people that you may not get along with and it's more about changing you on how you react to those Situations or what someone might say. And you know it's it's hard to say but that's just going through my head right now brushing them very hard You know this is one subjects you know. Even though i didn't come from above still. Don't i'm still there for him if he wants to communicate yes. My sister took the same off the politics really oath. Minimums property didn't own anything. They own the best move. Yeah that happens a law. That happens a lot. They own the property. My my other siblings. They got with me Because they wanted me to rent the property to make thin come to keep the property me name. And i didn't want any of any of that because i didn't want to leave while living. Just do what they want. And that's why we don't talk only because of greed and well you know. I'm quite i understand that i understand that i i see. Sometimes i see these big old houses and nobody's living in. And i'm i'm sure something like that is as going on but you know what like you you you have to do good for yourself too and you know and just by you know there's other there's other you know ways to take care of things too you know and you now i just maybe someday you guys. Will you know talk and got to help you out there and but you know keep it positive you now did for yourself to take care of yourself you know teenage kids early twenties now with minimums been dead by is so kind of after me. The wife hasn't been to berlin the as they have to move on circles and and although the early mentioned it because the first thing that fought while wonderful person you to cabot above Deeply Nobody song about me anyways. You never know you might. I might do that after we're done here compliment now. This is very country to the bone. We'll talk about this song. After the show. After i mentioned earlier when i want it society earlier country to male. No you wanna five. We've only gone a few miles of mini mall. So lima freezing. Told bbc upon four put down the road. Third goal of her door cracks. Only do the students contract fun. Stiffen hands along golden accountable. You ain't going louis. Y'all loose just breast on your number one. Talk radio station. Horizon radio radius looking for guests hosts the third information. Email horizon taught sadio outlook dot com. We'll come back on the final bit of this interview. this guy. we pretend music been willing to country to the bone goyim. Just tell us all about that one. Yeah that That song came. Actually the chorus came to me. I i was right. And then and you know. I've always wanted to write a song that had some of the older country Legends mentioned in it. You know we got. That's song we got. We got haggard merle haggard and george. John's o- all Mentioned in that song and one of the right of fat like a you know a happy line dance type song and It just sorta sorta came to me that that's that's sort of me. I'm sort of country. Abound yeah i do. Listen all types of music. But you know my heart's hardest with country music and You know. I just wanted to write something fun. Know something that people can just maybe forget about their worries and their problems. And you know say you know. Oh let's go out and line dance with some friends or or you know. Get out there and have a good Listen to a song. You know happy and and like i said i wanted to record you know incorporates. Some of those Country music legends in a song. And that's how that song came about and loved The the the music is the instruments. You're klein on that one. They just seemed a bit more to do more with them. Plus my friend adam ernest He's actually with with sony records. Now young guy. I think he's about twenty seven twenty eight and maybe and He played a lot of those instruments on all all the tracks and after we recorded the The album is when he moved to nashville and He he was there for about seven months. Sign with sony. He's gotta writing deal and He's with a band called After after midtown. And they're doing really really well he's he's gonna be a big someday you'll guys will here At a i'm for sure for sure for sure Great guy and like. I said he's so talented. He did most all those instruments except for the steel. He did the drums did guitars and banjos and all that and He didn't do. And i think there's some piano on the album to you didn't do that but very talented guy. And he made lot of these songs come to life income of heard for most people and they say you know if you come kalis. They need to be singer again. Overdo it yeah yeah. Sometimes things don't work. I mean there's some salt. I wrote that when i got him into the studio. We changed them. there's a song on their called number one fan now. I wrote that song. When i was probably about seventeen and I just had on the backburner. I did record it on a small local little thing i did. You know personal thing But i took a. We needed another song for the album. I took it in a couple of different songs. And everyone sorta liked the song number one fan and we actually almost rewrote the whole thing because as a whole completely different meaning seventeen. I wrote it from my mom. All now we change it all around. It's more modern and it's actually about a love affair with One of like someone who's On stage in plays these clubs every weekend and and you know they have all their fans. But there's always that one one girl out there and it's like you know all gug over the singer and then you know she really wants to relationship with them but you know. Meanwhile he's appreciating her and It you have to listen to the song. I mean it. It ends up that. He's feeling the same way about her as he does about her. You know him. And the song's called number one fan So i mean songs can change when their in studio For the better you know and you know you just gotta let some. People are so protected about songs. They right but you know let them grow. Other people have ideas too. You know If he can better to psalm. I not do it. That's a clue number one. find them. I'm doing a battle of the fans competition. Now this is rather than signing away if you fans love the arches the back in on special social media and they will keep plucking We post in different things so the idea is about love the fans competition and this probably not big prizes the end but somebody will get get crowned and The guy that's behind with me my idea. But they're just been mentioned earlier on about chinese whispers. Well i came a small idea. The butler defense competition that telling me berlin but we need the festival afterwards so the festival In two thousand nine twenty two will be up in the north of scotland in inverness because around the world. Independent artists have never really had a big concert worldwide. A suddenly ever been in the area that they live in or the even the country. I've never had an international music cooler india s in defoe. India artist ness because of inverness. Indiana's twenty two so bottle of the fans how that works is Got to website. Some send you them now. When a finnish simple form to fill in if you're interested but felt the will be a version of the websites all interactive In the next two free weeks but the fans what they have to at the end you know in the voting period is just if i who they're like five points. The next one likes point. Some one point did it deliberately because we want everybody to stand a chance of winning but those who do to get you to that stage is to keep you know just rely on the artists to ask the funds to can you be posts chance right then just keatley. The we post the thing about media relive that Facebook twitter instagram. That they love that interaction and he'll bring if nothing else you'll packages up to one of the top because everyone keeps sharon it voting gerin. Yeah the not. The domain concert obviously is now two people that headline so ready because that the organization klu the first guy Probably never heard of him. But you never know tom. is an indiana artist at the moment. But he's better well-known full gardens of the galaxy. It's a mccarthy. I don't what it is some kinds of sci-fi against Yes i think to. His indigo Is indifferent account funded by anyway. Said sometimes is a big actress in america in the independent actor. Wild against stephen is familiar to me. With god's in the galaxy but the vest what he did them to be honest. I didn't know until now. But the other guy stephen wrench as a music producer unease nominating and voting member of the grammy awards nomination fights for the the best people and he did sign. I suppose it shouldn't mention it. But he said one of the prices could be a nominee at a number of nomination is bio says the literally not single avenue the entertainment industry the statement has not been involved with including as a producer a senior sung with wildlife worldwide charton Bans stephen his. What with some of the most creative artists on the planet is what within producing. Emma perform with them. And if you know any of these minyard Panels toto ma discerning the it's africa lovable. Does essence persons edgy and the crusaders dot atlanta with but company survivor. Which springfield and so Ozzy osborne you know him adopter. Hope you yeah. Say quite biggest stephen wrench dot com of send you all the details or these links on nephew and he's good happy. Look that dot com. Yeah he's we've got a lot of connections purely. Because i think going back to what we're saying is handsome. How that Yes yeah yeah you were talking earlier about chills. Excellent when you were saying about Gaden we were talking about that so that that's all good thing just to make even more positive full people i i believe. There's a god that i believe in religion behind that so to me i take mine going into a A neutral church and prior to god. Because he's my god and your god we'll get different All in different ways but going to church late that and sing into maha. S- crying floppiness. But why do is go to a catholic church train You know the nomination jehovah witnesses the moments. I will not go into one of them. And pretend i'm loving my god. I'm not leaving my god in them. Churches that church is that the happening a proper. True judge is an open church. Yes so i totally agree if vika or the passenger van the judge i would say look it done. Not what you believe in the moments the catholics everyone just come in and for one lille one lifetime only just pray to god doboy about the the business side of it you know the religion just it's not religion it's a personal thing with your guards and you can come here and do that. That's why would do george. Yeah i you know i. I have dillard's every day With a lot of different churches and all different types of religions and But you know i mean. There's so many people that are really good and they believe You know how they believe but and you know that's that's fine but you know to me it's like you know there's when you come down to it you know you need a daily relationship You know ongoing daily relationship with god and and what you believe and You know you bring in all these other things in the politics and all that that. That's not that's not. That's not god you now and all these rules and that i mean the believe in what you believe but you also accept other people like you're saying you know what i mean. You have to let them get on their fat criticizing him because at the end of the day if following the path of god which is Love thy naive. go kill them. You know that the the nice christian things. I mean that that minogue religions. But you shouldn't have to be dictated by you know these people who are because when you go to these churches have a script and trying to put some in your mind. Yeah that's what. God wants more like a plane. Yeah your go-to these you charge the mo- i've got some kind of older but in generalists it's about life and about what's happening today in the world and that's normal stuff. You know that you can put your hand up and ask questions not a script way you if you come follow suit than you good. I mean offended point. Yeah i i agree. It's one hundred percent the point i was just trying to make was God bush together and the people of fire that win this equation has been compliments now Hundreds of people over the internet or on the shows and one person but belongs twenty big religious organization. They are got famine people that go to church but the all seem to be the independent church. That's funny. I always challenge. God you know night or in the morning. I must've i don't play every day which is bad on me but i say god if you're out there and i've said it for years sought my confusion out about these religions. Make me you know. I've love you as you or belong to one of them because i'm convinced dot com. And he never he's never been out proved to me the religious willie jones is the right way to go. That's why i think it's my personal guard is my way to go. I guess You know. I think you know what you're talking about is actually is actually me. I have my own. I mean i know who god is. And i think there's on the to me there's only one god and by we're all different all different release You know religions but it comes down to to me. you know. there's one god and you know he's a good god and i have a daily relationship with them so and i honestly i don't really go to church but i have this belief in this faith and you know i mean a friend of mine. Real close friend of mine recently have Diagnosed with cancer and I had people praying from all denominations catholics presbyterian methodist You had you know people with jewish fate. Because i get caught with my other business. I'm in contact with these people every day. And they were all tiny and i know they were praying not alone even the people that come into my other business. They're all christians. Seems and i thank god pushes them here and I just had so many people from so many religions. Praying for my fran and You know he was Actually Last wednesday i believe was Had a check up. And he's cancer. Free and i believe you know it's from all these people praying and Like i said. I don't think it matters what religion you are. I don't like like you're saying the strict things where you just read things out of a book and that's church that to me that that's not church. It should be about life experiences course. There's things you you know. You shouldn't do and be good the people that's just normal. You know and i just like. I think what you're saying that is me. You know. I have my own my own church. It's built inside me every day absolutely anyway. It's been brilliant token to guardians Do a shoot out the website. Names again Tour the sure. Yeah you can actually get all of my sites that www gary musique dot com. And you can hit any buttons area. That a spotify amazon my facebook pages You wanna shoot me an email. You know this album. Tell me what you think about it. you want You know if you're young young person that just wants you know a little bit of a bias on or something shooting you know. Shoot me an email. I don't have all the answers or the like really a big artist somewhere but You know i'd be glad to help or send you in the right direction and It'd be good to hear from here. P people out there that heard my music. I appreciate that and My emails gary pratt music at aol. Dot com berlin. Go essential email from yourself and your music is uplift in and keep up with a good job and keep spreading. The word is exciting. I mean music. Like god you know about love you know. Spread the love you know. Swing music is going to make people really happy. I appreciate your time talking to you. Honestly it's been very enlightening on fresh Thank you give good feedback to michael. Crisies gonna send me some more guests over the new tech new. I'm sure sure just a pleasure. Thank you god. Bless bye bye. That was bloomberg gary Listening to the andy peaches show every monday. Wednesday and saturday at eight pm. Gmt and three pm eastern standard time. In fact that's now damien eight pm and feed him radius. Looking focused said hosts the the information email horizon talk radio at outlook dot com.

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So today in New Jersey to weather actually kind of broke where I was like made a decision to put on pants, you know what I'm saying. And none of my pants fit me bro Oh you fat or you're saying got skinny. I think our God to muscular no been working out I wouldn't happen. I've been doing a lot of legs and shit you know. Or? Battle Conversation Mario. Well, you know actually started a new thing i. read this article from I don't remember his name, but he was on the Joe Rogan podcast essentially he's like the godfather of kettle bell workout or something like that. What I've learned they did a they did this big study and what they found is for explosiveness and the kind of athleticism that. Professional athletes use it's better to do twenty seconds of high intensity for longer periods of time than it is to do a grueling like five minute ten minutes circuit. Like for twenty minutes like let's say you do like a like a five minute circuit, right? Right and let's say you do four rounds. Let's twenty minutes you're going to be exhausted. Right what's better for you is to do, let's say thirty minutes or even an hour of ten seconds to twenty seconds of explosiveness with fully healing your body. So let's say you go twenty seconds just throwing his heart as you Canada bag twenty seconds PA PA PA. Pa Twenty seconds right stop. And you wait. Ready to go again and you can go as hard as you. Can you WANNA do the same thing if not more intense every time out by that was unhappy. Tired I've just helping if way 'cause. What I'm saying border. Because right now, like I'm fully invested in my pants that I bought like these pants, my favorite jeans. Extend. It me yet expensive am. So I'm like I'm like damn. Do I hit the treadmill and stop working out like I was doing this whole Kovic it. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Listen circuit training a cardio training that's good for losing weight in in the inches. Do like. About is data hit I gotTA switch hit hit. Yeah. Go ahead go ahead within a tent would. Attention with the whole like you're better off. Like We're like Barbara. Border Wars Boxing. You? Guys are crazy man. I'm getting ready for a fight. That's boxing brassiere causal their. Dog Be going. Out to the first question man, what's that first question Goliath. Let me see. With that question, it is Louis. From Lewis. Wait. To Louis and Boston. Where did you put them? The link is in. I thought you put it on the video so you asked this earlier. Yeah man you guys you don't pay attention. There you go. I didn't know you did that. uppercut. All right. Here we go. Pre Pro am Lewis and he asked Oh. The first one I have from Lewis says I'm buddy quad. No. Doubt. But that has nothing to do. Are you guys okay with what happened in the Harry versus Oh kindo fight all the call they made and how it finish. with the herring verses Oquendo Yeah. That's a very controversial topic ness. What do you think it did happen and? Fell Asleep. But but. Okay so Here's the thing. Do you do you but you know what happened though? No what happened? That's what I'm asking. Oh. Right A. And then Herron, decided to go to the cards. Yes herring said, he was having vision issues which was caused by an intentional FAO. And he was retained with he retained with a disqualification. Correct. You know that just like mikey versus Alito. Like e versus Saluto. Exam exactly like Mikey versus land is so leader exactly that. I don't remember what happened in that site Nike Lido's bringing the heat to him in the later rounds after being put down maybe three or four times. And then Mikey suffered a broken nose from ahead but they went to the cards and people call them all types of names. Same thing. Same thing. That's why Aaron came on his social media. and was like, Whoa. I don't gotTa go through this. You know his wife because they're receiving hatred like he's faking that his vision wasn't right. Yeah listen. Here's the thing for me. Okay. They were they ruled it an intentional head which made a disqualification. Had they not ruled it a ahead but and there would have been accidental clash they would have gone to the scorecards. which herring would have won anyway, right. So. For me, I feel like the question of the controversy came down to people questioning Aaron's heart airings heart I think it would became a question of people wanting thing that. Same thing they did with Mike Okay. So so the thing for me is this I give him the benefit of the doubt for many. No. Hatred, for. Accidental. Illegal file. Andre Durell he faked it. Word when Arthur Abraham him when Durrell went down. Member this. You know. Listen I think that the big thing in this fight was that the time it took for for McIntyre adhering to figure out what they were going to do. It was like controversial in the sense that they were almost like trying to enquire whether there. We're GONNA, win the fight. So it it made people feel like wait a minute he could continue but he knows is GonNa win the fight. So he's going to go ahead and take it. And my whole thing is this. Airing. And look he he's a friend of the show I really like him. So maybe people are going say that I'm being biased but. Hearing has done enough to show his heart. He has shown his heart. He has shown the kind of fighter he is, and he's a fighter through and through why is he going to risk more injury? The could cause permanent damage when he has bigger things lined up and I know that that might not sound like the answer that you know real fans want. But the point of this is that. Guys. Don't always get their shots in a manner. Some people get the royal treatment. Some people don't, and we have to look at hearing and know that he's not. He's he has never gotten that kind of treatment which he deserved and he's never gotten it. Yeah. He has a loss. You know yeah, he's he suffered adversity but this is a guy who has talent is a guy who who's done the. Right, things through his career and you know the fact that he's a marine he's defending our country like I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt and I think that he's again shown his heart. So a for me while it is controversial and I understand that and I'm not debating whether people should or shouldn't have problems. All I'm saying is that I feel like we should move forward bliss. inhering was on these airwaves saying that you know the Glitz and the glamour of fighting in fighting kind of style it doesn't pay off at the end you're by yourself when you're getting taped up and stitched up and all that right you're by yourself there's no more fans there. There's more people everybody leaves pretty quick. Okay. He was on our air way saying that. So you know I think ultimately We're going to get the best Outta Harry in his next fight and that's all we can really ask for I mean this guy was contemplating quitting ness he was contemplating leaving the sport but that's because of the hate exactly what happened it just listen there's nothing that could happen in a boxing ring that makes that. Okay. You know what I'm saying like are within the realm of the sport. Obviously somebody goes you know, Mike Tyson on somebody's ear that's something a little different but That should never be where it gets intake. And regain. Any thoughts on that. I don't see the fight, but as I'm hearing that. He stopped the fight and say he couldn't see and you got sometimes the fighter. You know what? I mean. You just can't go like man 'cause you for your entertainment. You know just look at as like, Yo. That's how famous square kinda like when when Victoria had. But it floyd and floyd hit him and the rule protect yourself at all time happened you can't go hating on floyd you know you can't go on on on the fighter for say Yo go to scorecard man I'm bleeding now that had but intentional with the blood right that he say impaired his vision. Did they call it an intentional did they take a point away or it's like I? Know they called it an intentional and that led to a D Q. I thought they went to the scorecard. Out that's what would have happened if it was accidentally would've gone to score. Eighty yeah. So the decision really didn't matter how that's limit though. Yeah, and out for respect Dave all those. David Maldonado's next. Oh I was I was trying to check it on my computer on my phone. Dave Maldonado says being that you guys are not into history lessons but are opened documentaries me being a boxing encyclopedia I'm more than glad to DM, you guys documentaries to check out every once in a while to put y'all on some boxing history nest sold me on the TV documentary I watched it and it was amazing. My question is, would you guys consider having a show topic based on a specific boxing documentary every now and then instead of always doing film study Tuesday? Down Week a doing the void, I, never got to finish. It only got thirty five minutes in I. said it when I told you about it that I would love to do Film Study. Tuesday's on these documentaries because I just ain't got the time to just watch it just cause but that one was so worth it. I'm willing to go back do a witch I and then he said he sent us one on Hagler I'm willing I liked that because sometimes the me film study Tuesday a little stale man it gets a little stale to me. Yeah. No, I agree here's the only problem with the documentaries it's like If if they can't watch a long with us. Like we're all watching together will be really difficult. You know unless we're doing like a Oh we all are going to watch this documentary and report back next week. That's the only problem. But I love listen I, watched documentaries all the time boxing documentaries I. Love. So I have no issue with that at all but how do we do it is the question. But Any boxing documentaries that you like. You would. WanNa do not not off hand I do remember a the TV going across my time. I didn't see it because I was like, Oh, it's on youtube out watching the future but now have. You ever watched the HBO One assault in the ring. Yeah that's Kinda old right. It is old but I love it. That's one of my out. Immediately. Thought of that one I would WANNA do that. But you've seen that one right I've seen it s to one. Would I don't remember fighters name but he tension Lee wrapped in killed someone Yes. Well. He didn't he didn't die in the ring He died years later Man, what was his name? Shoot chat somebody help me with the fighter that it was Billy Collins. Billy Collins it was him and Louis Resto that Louis restos hands were You know he had something in the in the glove or I'm sorry his hand wraps or something I. Don't remember exactly what it has been forever since I've seen it but Yeah. Panama. Lewis. you know was the trainer and yeah man it's a really good documentary. It's sad but it would definitely what I'd WANNA watch with everybody. Ruin. Forcing Acts Yeah. Ruin the four says. Is New vendor replacing September as the best month for Boxing I I don't know what he means that pulled up to November schedule. I don't see anything big other than earl fight. You got the. Get it earl fight PEVEC and fight. maybe the bud fight. Maybe yeah plus you. Got, premier boxing champion dates scheduled for November four Los. Angeles. Then, you got to eat to eat skills. Ito Ito Ito eats hurrying won the title from. Scheduled in Tokyo and a fifth, then back to Fox premier bags and champions in the seven. Also, the following week back in Los Angeles bubble premier boxing champions. Then the pay per view premier boxing champions plus that same day the pay per view while I think the point he's making is that September is the September Mexico independence and we always get big fights you know Kamilo Lopez was then and it was on the same day as Chavez Martinez of mistaken and September always had like a big Mexican independent states I fight The thing is last year it was fury auto all and you know what I mean and so it infill as big. This September has really good fights. It's just not huge fights like the big pay per view card is nice stacked from top to bottom, but there's no real like huge marquee matchup like a canal or Aj wild or anything like that that said I agree with them in the sense because by brother's birthday is in November November eighth. Like literally the last fifteen years he has had a pretty big fight a on or around his birthday week November's always had like pretty decent fights like Bernard Hopkins are member had a pretty big fight remember against who though he's had a couple of them but he could be right. All right. We got Jane's Vow Dez says, Nessie recently mentioned that you really enjoyed Teddy Atlas commentating when he was on ESPN for some reason I. Never enjoyed his commentary may be because he so damn ugly. To, look at his humor never resonated with me anyways can you share further why he appealed to? I mean It's really his theatrics. I love. Them. I love this theatrics and his metaphors like I said, water in the basement all types of stuff they used to try to come up with he he he made himself stick out I enjoyed them but I enjoyed a more during the live fight. When would happen he would be. One, thousand percent honest. Dollar me maybe rob somebody I. Think he like a Eastern European. And he went hey, h shit on that. Yeah no I think I think this is good for TV with it. I love that list. He's the one. We'll five minutes we go to the smoke he did Timothy Bradley and like you said, he's honest and he's a veteran man and you know he got the tight tight eastep to Mike Tyson that his prom so I always enjoy teddy atlas. He's I guess I'll be the different one on here. I didn't always enjoy Teddy Atlas. I think that he's super smart obviously in very insightful I feel like though when my opinion doesn't line up with. He does everything to push like that narrative and I don't think it's for any other reason than he truly believes in what he's saying. So I have no problem with that but ultimately. Theatrics are a little over the top. Sometimes I don't know I just never really enjoyed as much as that, but I do love his podcasts. Yes steady be midwest shorts. Talk says I got you. Here go ahead. I'm sorry I. Thought You. said, he says does. Enter, the top ten pound for pound with a win over Rosario. Loved the idea by the way fellas. Does he enter the top ten You know. I'm going to say yes because I, don't deal in pound for pound. You're just going to say, yes, because you don't deal with it. Wait. What'd you say you WanNa see you wanted to know what my? Panelists was. I want to know the Charles. Enter your pound for pound if he beats Zara. Yes. Okay. So you want me to give you my okay. So currently and I did this the other day I have Loma Canola. A nowy Crawford fury. Spence Paco Estrada Josh Taylor as my top sent others receiving notes, rungs by our say that glove. Gain Burchett Garcia Mikey. Gercy, I mean So does he enter it? Yeah. I. Think he very well could push Josh Taylor out but. I don't know to me. It's like he can push Josh Taylor Josh Taylor win. Over Ramirez shoots him up further in that listen I'd have to knock somebody else out. But yeah, I have no problem with nell entering the pound for pound if he wins. next. One coming from. Is it Steve Yeah Damn forgot to put hearts though such a good idea nest. Let me start that okay. Steve. Steve's Chicago says you feel as though Eddie, slash matchroom USA have let down their American audience whereas Jacobs farmer Haney Andrade et Cetera. I'll say. Haney got November seventh day Jacobs is should be fighting a rider according to. The report. Yeah. That's not Andrea to still waiting out. Yeah Andre Still Waiting Haney. Obviously, we know what's been going on there but I'm definitely with him. They let down their American audience. Yeah. We had that discussion earlier this morning and Yeah it's definitely lacking. What about you Rega-? You think that disown America America has been lacking. I mean the reason is covert, right? So bosscher been lacking everything. I I'm disconnected from boxing right now you know emory said that except from the you know the tweets from names out enjoy you know behind Soi went to the Gary Russell podcast we had with Evan Haney you know what I'm saying. It was entertainment for me like that's become my entertainment following them online and and and hearing the beef and pretty much handed reports put no fights no design like I've been paying for zone his whole entire year as a by and. Again getting slur. They've bothered US mad. They bothered us. Next coming from Dodge Hyatt says. Out To him new patron I just join Patriot yesterday. Glad to be a part of the family and we're glad to have you man my question is who is your is current favorite trainer in boxing and why SHUTOUTS TB? Is because like what's the criteria? Well I think he's just saying your favorite so whatever your criteria would be. I got so many. I know so do I, I. Love with so many people are doing like you know Ronnie shields is probably at the top of my list right now Ronnie Robert Fricken. Terrific. Bowman is just so many so many. Will Yell Virgil Yo I'm like this. I'm GonNa Answer this question best way I could by giving top three. and. Two honorable mentions I'll say. Robert. Garcia. Saying. I'm I'm GonNa not put Derek James in it even though he has to champions. Simply because he doesn't have as many fighters as the people that I'm putting in the so Bo Matt. And then. You know putting terrific an and he got up and comers they get they shot eventually and we don't see greatness coming from the gym but Honorable Mentions then you know you can go with a Derek, James? Who obviously got to champion? So that qualifies him to be at the top of that list but Freddie Roach. NASA just two hundred view you name it you name it. All of them knobs listen I speak I to give it to shields right now. with a very close second Robert Garcia and honestly they could be interchangeable my opinion. But the honorable mention nominee give is sugarhill I. Know that some people I make a suggestion terms of longevity in terms of big name fighters but that's never been something that I've really ever focused on I would rather see somebody give their all and do something great with one fighter. Then to have a mixed bag effort with a bunch of fighters, you know what I mean in varying weight classes and amateur and pro status. So but but sugarhill definitely gets a an honorable mention I think that he's got a very long career ahead of him. REGA- who who's at the top of your list right now your Robert, Guerrero I mean Rob Rob. Garcia stays on my radar of you know he's back to back every time watch boxing. He's dead in the corner. He's he's honest to fighters. He loves his fight as he got a family well tight knitted Jim Freddie Roach just I mean I I'm not gonNA put Roach and. I'm going to definitely say who else I like I, like Angel Garcia Man, you know that's a good one. I relate to him. That's a good one. He's only Oh, has one fighter, his his his son you know what he's done so much with them. He done so much with him. So I definitely pick Angel Garcia and then I'm GONNA go Rhino Sir Nestle right? We're no so. Challenge. Price Cheffou. That way you know going with chapel and honest they stick with their guns and they they don't play when you could joke about Cannella and day not on your team if you do so very well so much respect them. Yeah. That's that's actually I forgot about Renault. So how big that camp is over there but also prize you. next week got Sam in the UK. He says what's really holding up the Haney versus Russell fight. No coup de Vaisnys father bill is live right now. Seventy spore so. I don't know man hopefully get done, but it seems like everything is leaning towards Gamboa's these days. Let me let me take a crack at it. I think that in this is just speculation, right? I. Think that when you look at a Gary Russell, he looks at a Devon Haney and he says, okay. You're the side in this fight I gotta give it to you. Right. You're bringing the title you're bringing everything I'm taking a shot at you. But then with a rematch clause Gary Russell wants more because he feels like he is the like non defacto aside in the sense that he's been at the top longer he's been in our minds and at the top of boxing for so long that the name resonates like an ace side. So in his mind, he's thinking, why should I submit everything? That is Devon Haney when I bring just as much if not more in terms of commercial appeal now I'm not saying that's true. I'm just saying that's what year Russell's thinking And so I, think that's probably a big issue with this is it's not just some challenger. It's Gary Russell Junior interim saying so he wants his respect he wants his just do he wants what he feels like he deserved. So you know that's that's a tough thing to get past Let's see next one coming from hosts way box seo he says what are your thoughts on what Dana White said about the state of boxing? Man I hate to be all cutting you sure. But no one cares with Dana says when I see zoo for put on a fucking car, then our worry about his thoughts on box. But ZUCCA. Until he does something with it other than you know. Straight. Up Steel Jack Headlines based off the names of. Like were they must straight nothing. You got anything to add 'cause I just second witness says. I guess. Not. No Oh. He's on Mute I was saying I. Really don't care when Dan speaks I'm not. Follow you know I only I only see him get notary on the box inside when he's next to floyd. And that's about it. So now we're. Yeah I second both y'all's Thoughts next coming from Brandon Marie. He says, give me your four man Dream Team boxing panel minds would be polly Mullah nauseam annual Stewart Teddy Atlas. Jim Lampley. this one's easy for me. I'll go Jim lampley moral Rinaldo, Max Kellerman and. Like, could it be all time? Because if so I want George Foreman bag? But. Oh. No, you know what? Let's say if it's like it could be imaginary Emanuel Stewart Bro in my opinion one of the greatest of all time behind the Mike loved him bro the moments like. Your remember when Victories Bertel happen and he let out this like crazy yelp it was like, oh, like he was just truly into the fights and he was reactionary and I just loved it i. felt like he was a real fan watching what was the hardest it was like a aw It went down Bro. It was go back and watch it. It's hilarious valid. You. Know but you did that will just be a man. That's all right. Well, I hope nobody clips that and I just said that so somebody's going to clip it What do y'all think four man panel. I. Definitely pick poorly Larry merchant and. Then, you just name them spacing on his name Jim lampley Jim Lampley Larry Merchant. I said man you Paulie Montage. a main stuart yes and I like Willie Jones I like Roy. Jones to I was GonNa say him and then I was like George. Waiting Nest. I like Antonio Tarver. IT'LL WELFORD OUT, A. Bob I like Larry Back bring me Larry. Back. And who else who else So need the fighter got Larry. Got Tonio. A? I don't mind Jim manage that I'm old I grew up on H. B. O. so you know like. I'm more right with Jim Lampley coming back and Larry, and spice it up with some Antonio Tov. That's good. You need a four man Damn I e shed for. Their four I don't Mild Water I. Think Ward has been doing. That's a good one. I forgot about Cam Gore did one. I like word you know what I'll take out. And either Jimmer Max take out and replace them award. Oh I forgot about Max Kellerman. He's good too. I. Like MACs are really do is the Max Maxa. Sounds like I mean he breaks down fights really well on ESPN but the thing when he was on HBO and I didn't pick this up on to him and Jim. Lampley they I mean I guess they will force to do it but they will only big up. told the company. Line. Now you're right. You're right not like them for that but I like them just their voice alone. You know it just made me feel like y'all Saturday night the fight you know. Word Word Word George. Foster the UK card got her next question. He says, what are your predictions for the Charles Double Header? On? What I'm picking for the Hickam Lisa, he's trying to get an insight I mean y'all early predictions paying not a student. I don't know man I'm so afraid to bet against Rosario after doing what he did the Williams but Charleoi is battle tested. He's battle-tested. He's been in the fire. He's raised in it. Like Oh, I don't. I don't WanNa pick against the region but. Charles Pedigree is Charles Pedigree. So that's my early lean is Charles Oh man. Both. Irrigate, you want to go before me. I'm only picking Charles you know what I'm saying me, charlize. Only taking. Charles Man. That's kind of boxing Fan I. Am I always pick the as side unless unless a Assad face another Eisai fighting to see who's the ACE is. Hard to pick. You know what I mean You know I'll say is. What a real quick I've hung around Charles not like friends or nothing like that. But like I've been around them. I know I think I. got a good beat on them. You know they're cool dude and they're very funny. They're so entertaining like they can have their own show I think one day. Even now, but I feel like we get along with them really well, like after like every day could actually kick it with them I won't elaborate because I don't feel like I should but Yeah, I think they would get along. But anyway, right now I'm leaning towards the Carlos I will say that the only thing that would probably make my pick change is based off of what happens in the next week in terms of the Pekin. League you know if I get down a point or two it's crunch time and I need a you know get ahead I might go with David Chanko and honestly I might go Rosario too depending on how far back I am I'm willing to pick both those guys in a strategy move just plain and simple who you pick and Charles Right now. So that's everybody right there. So the next one's coming from. Ryan roar. Would they. Really. The next one's coming from Rhino Rookie. I did yours. Foster. Or minds. Next is big casual a memory i. been casuals after Rhino Royko mind that's funny. That's he's that's happened before. Commenting on George Foster because I don't see him or the rain. No, it's a new question. He says Howard the ranking submitted. I see no way how the WBZ can have. year them as Mando what's the point in the Diamond Bowe and Callum held it for two years but no shot and now Eddie petitioning for year versus Callum for the bell. Can title shots not just be for the elite. Bro. You answered your question in the question. I mean, these guys don't stick to anything strands. It is definitely not there for me like absolutely that's weird. Are you on? Are you on the APP or you on the website I'm on the website Yossi when I've been on the website before and do me or you've been reading questions from your phone from the APP that's happened to me where like you'll read somebody and that person is like three below. The person that I'm looking at, it's always use the desktop but I'm checking it out on APPs to see how different it is a strange. Oh, you always use the desktop you said always always. Do me but I've I've seen that before it's happened before but anyway, back to the question real quickly read it again he's at how are the ranking submitted I see no way how WBZ can have him as Mando what's the point in the diamond belt when Callum held it for two years but no shot and now Eddie Positioning for university callum for the for the belt why can title shots not just be for the elite? Dude I do not see that sit. Here promise you. Believe How crazy? How crazy would it be vases as trolling you and I just made that question myself w funny but that is from Rhino Rourke and Yeah. Listen I hear you these guys do not stick to the rules. Thank you. Maybe these guys do not stick to the rules and that's the whole problem like with making these belts you know I, it was like the diamond. Bell and then was like you know intergalactic belts and all this crazy shit our dylan franchise like that's what they do. They make these rules right that they don't want to follow, and then they tried to bend and twist them. But then when it comes to a situation where you have like a big money fight or you have some fight that you want to get done because of the money. But it doesn't fit your narrative or doesn't fit within the rules that you yourself have governed. Then you make a new title, you know. That's how interim titles got started. Essentially a we've come so far from entering titles, and now we are we are it's just worship. Max I guess because I'm a list don't even have Ryan yet I've got out refresh. Next is big casual and he says if AJ is able to avoid a wilder, fight his whole career but is able to defeat all the top heavyweights of his era including fury. Would you put a asterix next to his career for never fighting wilder or would you just give him credit for beating fury? The man who beat well? Excuse me. I'm sorry the man who be wilder once because he will get knocked out in the trilogy and all the other top heavyweights not name Wilder Hashtag. State. Soon Hashtag two-time. Yeah. If he beat fury, you know he don't really gotta face while the wilder gotta if and that's only because if wilder loses again to fury like it's it's it's it's obvious that age am fury would move on while they got gotTa build himself back into that picture. so I would give them credit if he if he if he. If you refer AJ after a while the and then Aj beat fury. Of course you gotTa Give Him, credit. Yeah listen I'm not putting ashtrays by wilder or AJ's name in terms of legacy but I will tell you that it would be one of the most disappointing things of this era for them not to fight and it wouldn't be that it would be an astronaut. It would be that anytime you talked about these two guys legacies that would be one of the biggest things you talk. About. You know it's the same thing with floyd a pack. Yup. They could have never fought each other and they're both hall of famers. They both have amazing legacies and yet they would have been a gaping hole in terms of telling their history where they were destined to fight and they just didn't but they ended up fighting and I think wilder nature wound up fighting too. So let me see. Let me refresh because that was the last one I'm I'm I'm so he said that only you can see. Ryan. I'm like is this not here? One of the bothering did you check the the APP dog I checked at I'm clicking the notifications of refresh about the law Gal maybe he well, I was just maybe he deleted it but he's right here George Foster Rhino, Rourke bish big casual, and next. So let's go daddy except Ryan like I said Oh. I'm in What would you do if let's say wilder beats fear I'm sorry Aj Beats Fury Right. But never fights wilder. Do you have an asterix by Aj's name because he never fought wilder but he did beat fury. Like you hold that against him in terms of Legacy Lena. No, but it will always be yeah there will be an asterix there. Yes. I would always be like, Damn. He never fought wild though. You know but that's it. That's not important. Shouldn't hold that against him I mean he shouldn't go suicidal foot you know. Like some fighters be the you just said you named the fighter herring was going to retire because of should talk any went. Word Timothy Bradley went because of the Depression. He because of the Filipino fan base and yeah definitely. Definitely. Shits. Horman shuts hard Enos coming in next with the next question he says, if Spence becomes undisputed at one, forty, seven and Charles Becomes undisputed at one fifty four does that make them instant hall of famers in where'd y'all rake Derek James is a trainer. I mean I don't know if that makes instant hall of famers because. I I think I, think it does automatically undisputed makes you all of their. Crawford, but think of what he would have had to accomplish to become undisputed. Incentive. For he said, Earl. Spencer. So sorry, I'm so sorry if Spence becomes undisputed at one forty seven. Yeah. Because then he be Crawford and I mean good, you gotta think about who they would have had to beat to become undisputed for me Spence it's no question hall of Famer for Me Charlie I? It's barely. I think yes I remember we had another debate about undisputed and I said that Zab Judah and Cory spinks would get into all fan for being undisputed and I was debated that so I'm just wondering how that changed but I initially agreed with that like if you undisputed you probably again right in. I think that there's a difference between saying first ballot hall of Famer and Hall of Famer. There's a difference, but I think both of them get in if they become undisputed. Hey we're on a feature on. All Right? No No. The questions are pitch on on. We're live listen listen but. But this says. Instant Hall of fame. But whatever. The next one is from John. In. Michigan who says Yo is Billy Joe Saunders in Smith. He said, where'd Y'all ring? Derek. James as a trainer. I i. told You I had him at number four. Yeah Yeah Yeah I. Think he's a great trainer honestly and he used to train Jerry Bonte is who is my trainer for border wars? I don't know if people know that Jerry's gotten work with all those guys Dare James was his trainer for I. Think like a four fight streak and Jerry was mad. He looked so good what he did with Jerry, nat transition like I know that other people don't know because they didn't fall Jerry's career obviously but I know what he was able to Jerry like those are the. Little things right there that mean more to me than anything else. You know what you're able to do for a fighter and Kinda, turnaround like that I. Think he's an incredible trainer John. Feliciano's next. He says Yo is b.j at A. B. I'm sorry Yo is bjs and Smith to skilled for Jacobs I believe Jacobs Beats Down Bjs and I don't like inside fighters and complain about it. Callum Smith he was in quotes he said he beats down bjs N. I don't like inside fighters and complain about it Callum Smith. I mean. For Jacobs is the question I would like to see those fights man i. don't know that anyone is to skill for Jacobs he had a very tight fight with gluskin and some people believe is fight tight with canal I thought he became a clearly but I mean I think some people believe he thought he had with canal also you know thought he became clearly or canola beat him clearly. The seconds on. Okay, yeah listen they're not too skilled for Jacob's like people need to. Chill on that and obviously John was not saying this but you know Jacobs should be respected people. He Lost Gluskin in a close fight that a lot of people thought he won by the way and and they wrote him off after he's not elite if you don't remember what that Peter Quill and fight met at that time and what he was able to do then you were severely misunderstanding that man's grow. That was the fight. For PVC, in that division, it was. A, it was huge. They were in a collision course people thought that they were the next big things and he was able to just start them out. That was a huge win and no neither of them are to skilled. Now, that's to say who would win enough fight. That's a different question, but Jacobs is not destroyed by either of those guys those are close sites. Well shutout salmon a UK set him some sending a some super chat love. we do appreciate it first and only super chat the night, and that was the last question another night. This is A. Yeah those other ones are not eligible spitzer. Fifteen up only. Ryan or Roy with the Super. Child says nests my questions shows up twice on screen so I deleted. It showed up twice. You had me going crazy. I'm like what is going on here? I still see it here insane I'm telling you it's it's gotta be with your cookies and my know I'm. Refreshed. 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Brendan Sullivan: Standing Up to Power

What It Takes

50:45 min | 2 years ago

Brendan Sullivan: Standing Up to Power

"Sometimes it's hard to look away from the spectacle of televised congressional hearing we've had our choice of dramatic wants to pick from lately, but we wanna start today's episode by revisiting one from an earlier era. I saw that idea of using the Ayatollah Khomeini's money to support the Nicaraguan freedom fighters as a good. I still do. I don't think it was wrong. I think it was a neat idea the Iran contra hearings transfixed America in nineteen eighty-seven like some Cold War era game of thrones that involved a complicated political scandal a special counsel and a long list of characters who testified in front of a house and Senate committee on television for forty one days chief among those testifying was Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North quite figure with his crisp marine officers uniform, and as patriotic outrage, but by his side throughout the testimony was his lawyer, Brendan Sullivan, just as bad already in a suit and tie Sullivan. Famously went toe to toe with the Senator chairing the proceedings Daniel Inouye, here's a memorable bit from day. Twenty five you'll hear Senator in ways voice. I. Arm certain council realizes that this is not a call of law. I believe me, I know that and I'm sure you realize that the rules of evidence do not apply in this inquiry that I know is well, I'm just asking for fairness fairness, I know the rules don't apply, I know, the congress doesn't recognize attorney client privilege, husband and wife privilege, priest penitent privilege. I know those things are all. Mr Chairman fairness. The witness objective. He wishes to that. I'm not a potted plant. I'm here's lawyer. That's my job. Brendan Sullivan has been one of the most ten nations trial lawyers in Washington for five decades and never ever a potted plant in any of the high profile cases, he's taken on the adversary. You hope to never face in court on this episode of what it takes a podcast about passion vision, and perseverance from the academy of chief -ment, I'm Alice Winkler at a main discharged is gifted. And I heard that enough that I started to believe if you have the opportunity not a perfect opportunity, and you don't take it. You may never have another child. It always so clear. It was just like the picture started to form itself. It was new we reach ally could prevail over the truth darkness over light there over life. Every day. I wake up and decide today, I'm going to love my life decide. Buses if they're going to break, your leg, or it's when you go in that place, stay out of there, and then in long companies differential experiences that you don't look for you don't plan for. But boy you better not miss him. The vast majority of criminal lawyers work is not glamorous in the least or heart pounding no matter how it looks on television. But Brendan Sullivan says it's never routine it's extrordinary how there's no limit to the work as a lawyer. It's not like heart surgery, you go in for five hours, and you know, which tubes tied together and you'll finish that operation. And now the patient has to make it on their own laws. Not like that law is never ending. You can spend five hundred hours for pairing something in thinking about it. And then I met five hundred and I our you get some new revelation of some kind and now you have have a sense you've got to ask this question that way. And so you learn over time that it's submitting yourself to this horrible long tedious, endless process. Is that you know, if you keep working like that till the end of time, which is what the trial is right. The end of time. And you keep thinking like that. And you work at it eighteen hours a day, and you wake up thinking about it. Then you know, you will have done your best for your client because after all in law just as surgery. The client's life is in your hands. If you're dealing with the criminal case their life, their reputation their families lives that children Sullivan has been at the same Washington law firm for coming up on fifty years almost his entire legal career, almost there was this one case that he stumbled into before he was even a practicing attorney, a high stakes case that altered the course of Brendan Sullivan's life, and may have even altered the course of America in the late nineteen sixties. It might surprise you a bit. If your first glimpse of Sullivan was him sitting at the side of the. Highly decorated marine officer Oliver North. Brendan Sullivan had graduated from Georgetown law school during the Vietnam war. And because he was in the ROTC he entered the service as a first Lieutenant within a year. He was a captain stationed in San Francisco practically next door at the Presidio, which was still then an army base. Trouble was brewing. Brendan Sullivan set the scene for Washington Post. Correspondent Mary Jordan who interviewed him in two thousand eighteen for the academy of achievement. The Presidio stockade was filled way beyond capacity with young soldiers eighteen to twenty year olds many of them were their most because they were against the war and had deserted or gone AWOL one day, a group of them sat down in the yard and staged a protest against the conditions there, they set closely together they held hands. They sang we shall overcome and the captain of the Presidio. Doc aid came out with an open book, and he said to these twenty-seven young people if you don't get back in that building right away. Stop singing stop showing V-sign. I'm going to charge you with mutiny any read the mutiny act out of the law book, and the context here is this is late nineteen sixties in San Francisco. Yes, that's right. This is the Vietnam war era. It's mid nineteen sixty eight these soldiers have lived with a other another soldier who had escaped from the stockade about a week or two before. And I use that term escape very loosely. He really walked away. And he really seemed to do it as a suicide, and he told a soldier on a detail. He was gonna walk away. And he said will you shoot me? And there was some exchange of words, and then the soldier walked away, and he was shot dead and this together with condition. In the stockade overcrowding, and all of those things protests antiwar protests all over the country, really at Berkeley, which is near butts. Right. And in California, there were protests all the time fifty thousand people would walk down the street and under regular basis on weekends, and they'd be protesting the war. So and you're twenty eight years old. That's right. I was twenty eight and by the way, I was not a Jag officer in the in the law department. I was captain in the transportation corps had nothing to do with. But in the military in those days, a soldier had the right to ask any officer to defend themselves, and it was virtually sacrosanct that the military would make that officer available unless there was something crucial in his line of duty. And so the the short of it was I was asked by one of these soldiers to represent them and then was confronted as a novice lawyer never having practiced today having. Passed the bar by then. And indeed to tell you the truth. I never wanted to be a lawyer. I went to law school to have a law degree to go into business. And that's the way I approach law. I thought I thought I would go back and be a business person. But out in the San Francisco when they asked to defend someone, and then someone's life is placed in your hands, and you have to figure out how to save them person. Then that that makes law enlarge -cation come to life. Now, you've got somebody that depends upon you. And in this particular situation, these young men sat there on that day for another half hour or an hour. And they didn't get up. A meantime, they bring in the military police that wasn't a blow struck by anyone of blood Jerry police came in and they just picked up the limp bodies of several of the twenty-seven brought them back into the building and subsequently all twenty-seven charged with mutiny which had a death penalty. Now quickly in the in the process of going through the case the death penalty was eliminated, but the long and short of it to jump to the conclusion is the twenty-seven with tried in about five separate trials. They were front page stories at the time in San Francisco protesters against the war on Dopp did these young people as heroes at the time. And so what the government did was the command the post three star general at the Presidio commander of the sixth army decided they would make the so-called federal case out of this charge. These young men with mutiny, and there were skip over the fights and the drama of the courtroom. But the the sentence for the first of the half dozen young men that were convicted in the court martial was eighteen years. Now that to me was the most shocking thing I've ever experienced you just happen to be assigned to defend them wasn't even signed. I was asked by one of the soldiers who would hurt I guess that. I was a lawyer was a simple as that. I was actually on another base. There was a little baseball fort. Mason adjacent to the Presidio which had a half a dozen offices, a lovely a cocktail lounge in view on a cliff. Overlooking San Francisco Bay and. I had nothing to do with the Presidio until this soldier asks for me by name and remember in a court martial. You have military officers that are the jurors and military judge of courses another one of the Jag officers. And so it was clear to everybody in the case that the commanding general wanted to make an example of these young men, what did you want to do? I wanted to demonstrate that they should not be imprisoned. This is not a an offense worthy of prison. Or if it is it was disobedience at most and eventually skip ahead. A couple of years of the court of appeals said just that this was not meeting. This was disobedience there. Well, known photographs of the incident you can find with quick Google search in one you see the young men sitting in protest with their Representative reading list of grievances in another you see the captain reading the mutiny act from his. The rule book while the young men sing it's almost as if they were acting out a play, but it was all too real. The protesters were sentenced initially too serious time in Leavenworth. But before that happened. There was another development in the story. We haven't touched on yet the three star general who had decided to bring the charges and appoint the prosecutors and the jury didn't like Brendan Sullivan one bit. I was the only military officer who was not a judge advocate general officer. So when it came to doing some of the harsher defense moves like accusing the general of command influence, which is a common defense command influence that he made it clear he wants a conviction. And this is what he wants. I was the one that would be out front because my thought was and the other offices. I only had a year and a half left in service or I. At the time. What could he do to me wasn't even my base, theoretically? But the other offices were in his command in a moment's notice. He could send them to Timbuktu to handle misdemeanor cases instead of San Francisco. So I was the one that would send a subpoena to the general and accused him of command influence and ask that it'd be brought to court. So I could question them when I sent that subpoenaed the general did two things he ripped up the subpoena, and he ordered me to be at Phnom, and at that point I had to virtually leave court in the middle of the proceedings get out of my apartment lease get my shots for Vietnam. Go to training and crawl onto Bob wire while the shooting bullets over my head. So I would know enough dot to stand up if I find ended up in a war soon. And so that was what they he did because he did not like the way I was defending. These soldiers. Now, it happened happenstance that there were two wonderful truly wonderful Irish reporters that worked for the San Francisco Chronicle they followed the trials, and when they saw that I did not appear in court. They ran a Pearl Harbor headline on the top of the first half of the newspaper saying army captain transferred to ward zone. And that started a rolling affect now. At the time this happened. I had only six months left and service. I didn't know at the time. No officers ever sent Vietnam was six months left in service. There was a rule. You couldn't be sent unless you had a year to spend in Vietnam. I didn't know that at the time. But any rate the reporters continued to run these stories that caught the eye of congressmen. I went home on leave and two things happened in my four five days in home in Rhode Island. One was that two senators call me picked up the phone there. They were. Were they introduced themselves. And they simply said are you the captain that been ordered to Vietnam? And I don't remember the rest of the conversation. I never contacted them. I never complained about it and the other memorable thing on that trip home to Rhode Island was that the famous Walter Cronkite called and asked if I'd be interviewed in the backyard of my home about what had happened, and why was going to Phnom. Now with just selling tonight to serve on his Ambi tour captain casino. One's been assigned Vietnam today. Two senators New York's Republican Charles Goodell and California's democrat Alan Cranston expressed fear that settlements assignments stems from his Defense News. They've asked the general who's punitively sending you to war where a lot of people died. You have your on the evening news. You're really young. You haven't done a lot of cases what's going through your head at the time. I was completely unflustered by the fact, they ordered me Vietnam. I couldn't understand it. I really didn't think I was not an officer trained in the shooting part of the war. I wasn't going to jump out of airplanes with machine guns. I thought I was a transportation officer. I'd probably be in some headquarters somewhere running one hundred fifty vehicles. That's what army captains did in transportation corps. So it didn't. But it amazed me it did amaze me, and it underscored the fact that they could do anything they wanted to these young people. It was not about me. It was about what they did to these young people in what military Justice was the fact of the matter is it was an interesting footnote wasn't it that they're so powerful, and they have so much influence and no doubt. Remember, I q some of command influence, well is this a bit of command influence that they? Can reach in and take one of the defense, lawyers and have the nerve to say, you're going to go to thousands of you know, six thousand miles away to Vietnam a nominee out of these trials it underscored what we were trying to say. So if anything I felt good of the fact that the appellate lawyers could then are you not only did they do this to the kids? But look what they did to his lawyer. And so I thought in the long run it would help the case I I was a bit amused. Does that ability which carried forward later in life somehow help you because you don't get flustered. He I I just I I just keep my I focused on what the what the mission is so to speak. This was about these kids everybody understood because you had a picture of the crime twenty seven soldiers sitting on a log linking arms singing holding up. And then you hear eighteen years. Yes. And you on the average citizen says well. What is this what's going on? And then the next thing that happens is what do you mean, they sending the lawyers? Maybe it was I didn't think of it at the time this way, but of a bit of a tipping point people started to look cave their bold enough to send the lawyer Vietnam. What are they doing to these kids in the end, you weren't shipped out? I was not shipped out. I had two or three days left to go before it was to go on the plane at Travis Air Force base. And I'm watching the news and just doing nothing nothing to do during the day killing two days and this picture of a reporter approaching the plane of the secretary of the army Stanley resort and shoved the microphone in his face on. This is what are you doing about captain Sullivan? And he gruffly said I cancelled the orders today and walked off. That was my first knowledge that would not going to be an then I went back to court. Brendan Sullivan told Mary Jordan he'd been pretty blissfully naive until this case he grew up in Warwick Rhode Island with a dad who was a salesman for a chemical company and police Commissioner and mom who wrote magazine articles and poetry life was rosy. And he never witnessed any sort of injustice up close until the Presidio mutiny case, it opened his eyes wide and made him decide that he did want to be a lawyer not a businessman after all that proved to be a K moment in your life. Because what we're going to talk about next. Captain Sullivan coffee. I have ever done it Williams. Yes. At the time the most famous criminal lawyer in America. Yes. Absolutely. He was the Clarence Darrow of our time. I mean, he was I think he was on the cover of time magazine in his thirty. This is this is something I would. Never thought about I was probably going to go back to Rhode Island with my dear friend, Jim Skeffington, whom I meant and law school who was a Mr. Rhode Island type and practice law in Rhode Island and sect as I jokingly say, I was probably practiced law. You get your name in the newspaper. You might actually get some clients. You can make a living. Then you run for politics. You might even be governor. And then you go right to jail after that. That's what Rhode Island is still, you know. But instead, but instead one night and nineteen sixty nine Sullivan was having dinner with one of his Georgetown law professors who had seen all the news stories about his former student and at dinner, he said to me in his deep deep voice. I can still here. He said, you must go see, my friend Bennett Williams. And of course, I thought it was the most absurd suggestion I've ever heard from an adult, but a few days later, the professor. Went ahead and called Williams who co founded the firm Williams and Connolly and so- Brendan Sullivan had to follow through with a meeting. He never asked me if I was on law journal, a whether I'd click for any judge. He was simply fascinated with out of I get myself. It's so much trouble in the military. And so. We talked about the case, and we talked about what the military did. And we talked about Justice and at the end of a thirty minute conversation. He said to me words, I can still hearing. Okay, kid. We'll give you a shot. And by the way, I walked out of his office so stunned then I got to the elevator which is no more than twenty steps away. And I wondered did he say we'll give you a shot. Did they say, maybe we'll give you a shot at which time? I was frozen at the elevator not knowing whether to get on it or go back in ask him. And I decided I'm not going back there. So I got on the elevator. What back to the to the military for my last month or two and service. This would have been in November and December of sixteen nine and I wrote a letter to him. And I said thank you so much report at the law firm on January two nine thousand nine hundred seventy I never heard a word back. So I showed up Sullivan ended up in the office right next to Edward Bennett Williams, which may have been happenstance, but Williams clearly took a shine to the new young attorney. I think he admired my spunk. I think he called it that I could get in a fight and survive the fight and willing to take on thority probably. I didn't see it that way the time. I just was always wondering why did he hire me? You know, there was one other thing. Williams liked about Sullivan. You know, he always was snacking on something. And I found he liked planters peanut butter crackers in the pack with a six crackers in it, and I got a big box of those crackers, and I put it in my right bottom drawer of my desk. And we need come in on offer them, and he'd always take it. And sometimes I'd be on the phone. He wouldn't even say anything just walk in open, my drawer, take the crackers. He'd sit down on a little flimsy cheer. He's a big man gushy, you know, weighed over two hundred fifty pounds most of the time and he'd leaned back. This rickety chair never knew whether it would collapse. Collapsing. Rip open these cookies, they crumbs would scatter on his shirt and inevitably chat for few minutes and secretary would call them into a phone. Call get up. Run out of the office. And then it looked like Hansel and gretel just been there. I can follow the crumbs from my desk right into his office. The two men became close friends. They played squash together, though, not very well. And Brendan Sullivan says he learned a lot from the founding partner, he called trial work work like like pick and shovel work in the minds one little chunk at a time. No matter how talented you are no matter how experienced he also learned that you often have to work in human hours and during the months before trial live like a monk one time in very big case. Brendan Sullivan says he spent two thousand hours preparing for a single deposition that's way off the charts even for a lawyer. But in this particular case of a Bank suing a law firm. It was worth it. The client, prevail. You've done so many famous cases let's start with Oliver North. Famously. We can still see you. You actually look quite the same as you did on TV that everybody saw that's thirty years ago. By the way, we saw you there beside Oliver North not afraid to tell the senators to as you would say back off. What was it like? Well, first off remember, no one is ever trained to go to congress for six days on all channels nationally and worldwide to represent a client did no training. There's no experience. No one fantasizes about how you would do that. So you just have to be guided by basic principles, what am I therefore there to protect this soldier from the things that can happen during testimony, the major thing that can happen that could harm him would be that he could testify in a way that someone would later say is false. And so your goal your whole. The whole thing. You can do is to make sure he tells the truth. And that what he says cannot be construed as a falsehood. And remember by that time there wasn't independent counsel. Who had been appointed? Larry Walsh of former federal judge was had been in retirement was called back so to speak, and he had the resources of America. To give you an example of how many resources such a person would have. And that's what I was thinking about during Gresham testimony, this fellow's resources. I never thought he'd have this this much. But at the end of the case five years later after Lawrence waltz was defeated and Ollie north was completely free. We discovered that in the pleadings that were filed in the court. They had one hundred separate prosecutors saying those pleadings think about that one hundred not all the time. Through various stages of that thing we had five lawyers on our side they had hundred that doesn't begin to count the FBI and the customs agents and the F and the IRS agents. So at the hearings, what am I doing? I'm trying to protect him from why no is coming a five year war and tactically the crucial thing was to make sure that he got immunity immunity. We would the one witness that said to the congressional of assembled senators and congressmen we would not testify without compelled immunity. We gave no interview beforehand, we would not cooperate with those kinds of things that most people would cooperate with many people don't wanna take the fifth amendment understandably in front of the whole world. And that was the toughest thing to convince Ollie north that he had as marine a decorated marine and to stand before the world and take the fifth amendment in order to trigger that process of immunity. So that not only will testify truthfully and those six days of testimony. But that what he said could not be used by that army. Of prosecutors and and government agents that we knew were coming after him. In the end. It was that grant of immunity that saved Oliver North he had orchestrated in elaborate illegal scheme to fund the contra rebels in Nicaragua with money diverted from the illegal sale of weapons to Aram. It was a complicated multipronged end run around congress during the Senate and house hearings. He admitted that he misled congress and ordered the shredding of government documents, and in the trial that followed he was found guilty on three counts because the prosecution argued that Colonel North's immunity did not protect him from the testimony of other witnesses who had independent knowledge of his crimes. The appeals court though, found that those witnesses might have been tainted by North's own testimony. So the convictions were reversed and the charges dropped and he went on to a career as a writer and a conservative commentator for Fox News. But of course, that will. Oh came later. So the Ron contra affair you're sitting in the congressional hearing up on Capitol Hill beside Ollie north. And you were said things when asked a question, that's none of your business. I'm just asking for fairness where you very conscious that you also had to be likable because you wanted to push back. But you also want to come across, you know, as too abrasive. I remember that. I was scared to death. This is not something anyone does on a regular basis. So I didn't have a calculated plan as to what I would do. It was all came from within. Nothing was planned. Not one word was planned. I didn't know what the process was going to be like, I just responded to each and every question sometimes I'd get upset the greatest compliment ever ever paid to me, actually. By my kids at those hearings. My kids were eight nine ten eleven right around that age, and they were watching the hearings down at in a summer summer place. But of course, they board. Right. They're not gonna stay indoors work six days of hearings. So they'd say to their mother we're going out to play call us when he yells because they never see me L. So if you get excited you do so because someone you're trying to protect as being hurt or they're doing something wrong. Other doing something unfair. That's easily easy for me to react. It's not so much plan. Now, did I learn we learn something over these six days? I mean, the first day was very hostile to Ollie north and caused me to be more aggressive to try to protect him. I took advantage of the fact I could whisper in his ear. That was a powerful thing. If you note until the recent supreme court. Hearings. No lawyer since my time up there has been allowed to sit next to the witness. They now have moved the lawyers back into the front row. So they can't turn and consult with witness and tell them watch out that's bad question. He just asked three questions answer. The last question, you know, you could you could try to protect your client by being part of the answering process, which is very different than a courtroom. So I can tell you that that part of it there. They were great tactical thinking about how to present him in terms of forcing the immunity and never giving interviews and by the way, it's a story. I tell only argument Ollie north. I ever had was the human, but whether he should wear a uniform I Ali wanted not to wear uniform. He didn't want him barris, the Marine Corps. And at least I had the sense to know that a decorated Marine Corps officer would play well if forced to testify I had no idea they become a hero to to fifty percent of the whole world and it played well to married Jordan pointed out in this interview when Brendan Sullivan came out with his famous line about the potted plant. I know we played it at the top of the episode. But now that we've gotten to the Ollie north portion of the story. It seems worth a second hip witless or check if he wishes to we'll sir I'm not a potted plant. I'm here lawyer. That's my job was that an ad lib. Or was that as they say rehearse spontaneity? Absolutely. And live, you know, maybe I could confess that. That's the flip Irish humor of sorts. I had no idea that it would someday be in Bartlett's quotations or that it would go round the world and our law firm. It was amusing. Everyone there in those days would remember we received hundreds of potted plants from around the world. Just poured into the office shut down the office, virtually we gave half of them away after we'd given everyone in the office two or three plants is it still a terrarium over there. One partner actually kept his alive for most twenty years. The osbournes hearing and the trial that followed secured, Brendan Sullivan's reputation as aggressive fearsome a street fighter in round tortoise. Shell glasses one article. I read said that his peers view him as the courthouse equivalent of a nuclear war, and to someone who very well might land the prosecutor himself in hot water. It's happened in unusual number of times that Brendan Sullivan has exposed misconduct by overzealous government, lawyers one of the most glaring examples of that was in two thousand eight when Sullivan represented Alaska Senator Ted Stevens. Senator Stevens was accused of failing to report to the Senate gifts he'd received the jury found him guilty a week before his election. So he lost. But it turned out the prosecutors at the department of Justice made terrible errors and just outright hid evidence. It's the worst scandal in. And the Justice department that we've seen at least in my lifetime. Our generation of lawyers, but good of a judge said it's worst misconduct he'd ever seen. The government has an obligation established by supreme court decision known as Brady to share evidence that might help show a defendant's innocence. So the new attorney general at the time Eric Holder ordered the case dismissed why was the government lying. That's a good question. Why does the government lie they lie because they have a give them the benefit of the doubt. They believe in their cause they believe the person did something wrong. They fear losing. And now they lie to win. They lie and cheat to win. Now. This is not all prosecutors not all government agents. Ninety seven percent of them are totally honest, people were all live happily in our homes and our safe because of. The work all of these men and women do in their careers. Very rare. I would talking about one and half million cases. But there are sometimes. And unfortunately, I've seen it all half a dozen times where the government itself becomes the criminal. And it's the most disgusting thing, you see, I even feel it. Feel it physically when I think about what they can do to people with their power. And it's the same feeling I had back in the Presidio case when they can take young men and fade sign they put them in prison for eighteen years or something really silly. And most disobedience on a sunny day in California, you know, you wrote a wonderful speech that you gave Georgetown law school commencement. And in it, you said, I cannot still find the right words to describe to you the feeling a lawyer has when a client is subject to abuse and injustice, it's a feeling of helplessness anger rage. The miscarriage of Justice foisted upon the young soldiers would beyond my experience in life beyond anything learned about in law school. I not easily believed that people with power use the power wisely and thought about that for years, but that states it pretty well. And it also I would add to it a mystery. I still don't understand it. I mean, I cannot take late how it happens think about think about it from the prosecutor's point of view, they put their heart and soul in case. They brought a case somewhere along the way. They have this. Terrifying. Feeling like defense, lawyers all the time a terrifying feeling that they could lose this case. And so what do they do? It's at that point. They have to decide what's important they stopped to think of themselves in the Stevens case, if you lose a case against the United States Senator every day for the rest of your life. If you stay in the government, you're going to walk down, those cards, you're going to attend meetings, and they're going to look at you as the person that lost the Stevens case that your life. Now, you won't be fired. You'll have a job, but if you ever wanted to go out into private practice in her in those big salaries, no law firms going to take you having been the person that lost such an amazing case in the Stevens case. You had people. That lost their way. What happened to the prosecutor, Stephen secure stove? No prosecutors were ever punished. No, prosecutors were disbarred for unlawful on ethical conduct. The saddest of all footnotes, and of all cases, I've ever been in is that one young prosecutor committed suicide. After this was discovered during the time he was under investigation. And I believe some of the other prosecutors were particularly pointing the finger at him newly married. I don't know early thirties hung himself and his basement. Very sad. Brendan Sullivan and his team also exposed horrendous prosecutorial misconduct in another case. The Duke lacrosse players who were accused of rape in two thousand six the case was fraught from the beginning. The accused were three rich white young men, while the accuser was an African American woman who was a stripper with a troubled past the case involved, a prestigious university, and the district attorney prosecuting was running for re election. Brendan Sullivan told interviewer Mary Jordan, it was like something made up in the movies, complete with a sketchy DNA report picture this scenario, Mr. knife on the district attorney's sitting in his office. He has with them the detective working on the case. And the scientists comes in and he makes the report. And scientists says to my I've got bad news, Mr. district. Attorney a bad news is is nothing a note DNA evidence from any of the boys in this case Spivey in wash news. The woman had already testified that there were no other men involved for weeks that only the rapist were involved in sexual contact with her. But the scientists says to the district attorney the bad news is that they're five other men at which time the district. Attorney turns to the -tective he says, we're screwed. And he goes back to turns back to the scientist says you can't put that on the report don't put in there. The fact that there are five other DNA samples from other men. That's actually how it went down. According to the scientists who was cross examined in court and spilled the beans, and so at that point, the judge stopped the trial, the DA was disbarred and the attorney general of North Carolina took over the case. And after a couple months investigation declared the lacrosse players innocent the very public case was damaging for real rape victims. It was traumatic obviously for the college students who were falsely accused, and it was undermining to the public's confidence in government lawyers. We went and we tried to sue civilly afterwards to make the point that prosecutors detectives they can't do this to people you're doing Justice here. You cannot abuse your power the worst thing in. The world is abusing power thing about it. And we ran into complete dead ends spent millions of dollars trying and failed because basically of law of the land is that prosecutors are absolutely immune. It's it's supreme court decisions which make prosecutors immune from these kinds of acts. Even when they're agreed. What kind of toll that all these high profile high pressure exhausting trials take on you? I don't know. I've always been amazed that I I've actually survived the my sometimes can be in court in your heart's beating twice as fast, and you say, well, how can this? How can this continue ever make a mistake in court? I'm sure well, I what I tell the young people, you know, as a senior partner in law firm. I never scold any young person for anything they do. And I always say that. The objective is to make fewer mistakes than the other side of the case. That's what you wanna do. You make ten thousand decisions in any given case. And sometimes you wish you didn't take that tactic. And you try to readjust when it's it's a long long war in these things. I remember these cases they don't come in and out the door every six months, you take case you're living with that case for the next three to five sometimes ten years when you open a court room trial to do anything to go into the bathroom and say a prayer or have something that you keep in mind. How do you? How do you get in the last few minutes before it all starts after all the prep? What's going on in your head? What's going on in my head is that the government has dug a hole two hundred feet deep. And now I'm trying to crawl out of it with not when no tools dark deep narrow whole. That's what I think. And I've got to get to the top. In my opening argument. I just want to somehow get even to make the jury think that there is another story here because remember they spent the first hour two or three or four listening to the United States government. Tell about these people that is hard to overcome with all their power all their investigative tools. The grand juries. They're subpoenas there. Witnesses the they can lawfully bribe. But if I gave someone a fifty dollar Bill to testify I'd end up in jail, right? So the odds are always against you. When you go against the United States government, and the the risks for the client are so high. It's what I find difficult very very difficult. And in fact, I made a I made a mistake in my speech to the Georgetown grads. I said in there somewhere in. To encourage them to understand their duties. I said to them that my generation had fought and Justice to tie. And I was they saying, okay. We've done our job. We're at the end of the line. Now, you've gotta take it up. You know, because I think there's a sense when you get out of law school that this is a really good system that it it works. Well, it works as it should do. You've you've been reading all these cases. And you see how they come out in the courts of thoughtful and so forth, and so on and they don't begin to see or understand the the heart of the system, which can be very very treacherous in horrible. And so if I five years after van or whatever it is sixty seven years, I'd say my generation is going back with I'd say nowadays. The government has so much power that. Almost cannot afford to take the risk of trial. And let me explain it this way at some time in the representation, you'll be sitting with your client in your office, and the trial will be looming just over the horizon, and you'll say say to the client, if if you can plead guilty, I can get you between five and seven years in jail. But if you go to trial, and they get you on all these counts, and you testify, and they impose the sensing penalty on your testimony. You can go to jail for twelve or fifteen years. Now, you go home, and you talk to your spouse about what you wanna do think about that. Every case is like that nowadays every case, so the government structures a case. So that they impose so much risk that even the innocent won't face trial. Want to guarantee a good cry? Go to the New York fundraiser every year of the innocence project and see them put on the stage. Twenty black gentlemen. Maybe a woman, maybe one way and the hand the microphone the guy at the end. And he says my name is Willie Jones, and I was in lompoc prison for twenty six years for a crime. I didn't commit. I. Then it goes to the next one says the same thing. So what do we do? I think it takes dramatic change. And I'm not sure we're capable of making it. I think we're so set in our ways the system is so established, for example, even the right to trial should the right to trial be an ability of someone to go into court and require the government to prove their guilt. Which is what we thought it was is that what the right to trial is. But how can you have a right to trial? If you gambling your whole life. Every time you go to trial. The sentencing guidelines have reduced trials in the federal system. Do the research. I've forgotten the numbers now, but I'm just taking in the range of we could have fifty thousand federal indictments year only a couple of hundred go to trial. We've developed a plea machine in the ingredients in the cake. That's baked is that the prosecutors overcharge multiple counts as much money as possible. So that if you. Go to trial. Your life's over. This no seemingly reasonable way to have a fair contest in a courtroom where this is where we find the truth can the government prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to the satisfaction at twelve jurors or not it's over. I think. I would hope we'd see some dramatic changes in the future. And and I if I was giving the commencement address. Today. I change it a little bit. And I'd say you've got to fight for change in the system. You say I never spent any time fighting for the change in the system. I let the heroes to groups like the innocence project or the the southern center for Justice. These are the heroes in the law. They really are the heroes, and they do it for little or no money, and the they they keep our system, at least honest to some extent. I mean, we have a flawed system. It's very flawed. When you're talking to young lawyers who wanna make a difference. What do you tell them? I tell them to go to medical school. But. Look, you try to teach by example, he understand your responsibility. As a lawyer, it really is a sacred responsibility. The words zealous is is the word used in our ethical standards, which says that defense lawyer owes to his client zealous defense. That's a pretty strong word. It doesn't mean. Go home at five o'clock not thinking about it. It means you live with it. And he fight for your client. That's attorney Brendan Sullivan. Speaking to the academy of achievement in two thousand eighteen the interviewer was Mary Jordan who and her day job is a political correspondent for the Washington Post. Brendan Sullivan has lost only two clients to jail in his fifty years at Williams and Connolly in Washington DC, he says that on top of all the hard work. He owes a bit of his success to serendipity. And even the luck of the Irish, I'm Alice Winkler, and this is what it takes from the academy of chief -ment. What it takes is. Generously funded by the Catherine b Reynolds foundation, thanks to them. And thanks to you for listening.

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Ep 172: The Briley Brothers (Part 1)

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Ep 172: The Briley Brothers (Part 1)

"The briley brothers. The mere mention of them conjures a reaction from people. Any richmond area resident who watched the news from nineteen seventy nine through nineteen eighty five likely her descriptions of the disturbing crimes they committed more than four decades after their killing rampage. The briley brothers almost seem mythical but they were real. People who randomly took innocent lives without any provocation. The murdered whenever they felt the urge lynnwood. James and anthony briley made up. The river city's most infamous killing gang of the twentieth century. Police linked eleven solved. Murders to the brierley's during a seven month. Stretch in nineteen seventy nine. But they were suspected of killing more as many as twenty. The oldest lynnwood was charismatic and calculating the second oldest. James was intimidating and impulsive. The brothers convinced their youngest brother. Anthony ended teenage neighbor dunkin. Megan's to join them on a rampage. That left a permanent mark on one of the south's most famously historic cities. This slayings weren't contained to one neighborhood or even jurisdiction. The briley gang left bodies in various parts of the richmond metropolitan area. They didn't discriminate. They killed men women and children their victims were black and white. They murdered neighbors and they murdered strangers. The briley brothers had no modus operandi. They used handguns rifles knives and baseball bats as weapons. One victim was killed with a cinderblock. The bradley's often robbed raped and assaulted their victims before they killed them. Their youngest victim was a five year. Old boy their oldest a seventy nine year old blind woman even while under police surveillance. The brierley's left death in their wake. As police watched one house the three brothers and their accomplice were down the street. Tormenting and killing a family of three. 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Dot com click on the microphone at the top of the homepage and type in court. That's stamps dot com promo code court. Stamps dot com. Never go to the post office again before we get started. Some descriptions of the murders in this episode are graphic listener discretion is advised lynnwood. Earl briley was born on march twenty sixth nineteen fifty four to james and bertha briley. The couple welcomed another son. James junior on june sixth nineteen fifty eight less than two years later. The parents had their youngest son. Anthony the working class. Briley family lived on fourth avenue in highland park. A neighborhood in richmond's northside. The james senior worked at a concrete block factory on school street. A short distance from virginia union university. Which was where bertha worked as a food service employees. James senior was hard. Working and straitlaced bertha was more personable and was known to have a softer sensibility. Virginia union faculty and students alike adored bertha briley. One of those students was future richmond. Mayor dwight jones who during an interview a few years ago described her as one of the sweetest ladies. You'd ever want to meet those in the highland park neighborhood watched the briley sons grow up. Nothing appeared unusual about the way they were raised or how they behaved while they were kids. Bertha seemed to be a doting mother. Both she and her husband provided a loving and nurturing home for their sons according to many who were close with the family the older neighbors highland park new. The two older briley brothers lynnwood and james known by his friends as j b to be willing helpers. The older briley sons would mow their neighbors. Lawns are pulled their trash cans to the curb lynnwood in particular impressed people with his intelligence. His father would often brag about his gifted oldest son. People started to notice a change in the briley brothers. By the time lynnwood turned fifteen they became notorious bullies at john marshall high and it seemed they were constantly looking for trouble in and out of school. They weren't just getting into fights or being disruptive in class they were vicious. They settled scores with their fists. The preyed upon weaker people. Those who actively tried to avoid confrontation with the brothers. Got the worst treatments. Lynnwood in particular often would look for ways to manipulate people. J. b. and anthony seemed to be under the spell of their older brother. Lynnwood also had a strong influence on an impressionable teenager in the neighborhood by the name of dunkin mickens those who investigated prosecuted interviewed or conducted mental examinations on the briley brothers later described the lynnwood as the most dangerous because of his high aptitude but j. b. was the one people feared more by comparison. Gbi was taller stronger and more volatile than his older brother. Joe jackson was a longtime reporter for the virginian pilot in norfolk but usually it was James was better known known as b. Who was the was. The enforcer the the more violent when he kind of radiated ara of of threat i think and people were intimidated by him and they were scared of it. Then bay either tried to kidneys camp and do what he said said or are they just tried to Steer as far away from them as they possibly could one prosecutor said j. b. had the face of a man who was born for the electric chair in simple terms lynnwood was the brains and j. b. was the muscle lynnwood knew how to get his way because he had a strong intimidating sidekick. He could lean on while living in highland park. The briley brothers owned a collection of what they called predatory pets boa constrictor piranhas and tarantulas. There were reports said they would gleefully hold a mouse by its tail and dangle it in front of their pet snakes and watched the reptiles swallow at whole the teens. Troubling behavior took a toll on their parents marriage. James senior and bertha separated while the older brothers were in highschool bertha eventually moved out of the house on fourth avenue so lynnwood j. b. and anthony all lived with their father. James senior reportedly feared for his own safety while living under the same roof as his sons. When it was time for james senior to go to bed he would sometimes lock his bedroom door from the inside with a padlock while the briley brothers were teenagers. They had a neighbor orlean christian who also lived on fourth avenue. The fifty seven year old was newly widowed after she had lost her husband. Those who were close to orlean worried about her. She took the loss of her husband hard. Her children were grown and she wasn't used to being an empty nester on january. Twenty eighth nineteen seventy-one. While in her backyard hanging wet laundry on a clothesline orlean fell to the ground and died. Orlean had heart trouble so her family and loved ones concluded that the stress brought on by this sudden death of her husband had led to a cardiac arrest. The funeral home that handled the burial arrangements returned orleans bathrobe to her family. Orlean had been wearing it when she died. Family members noticed a small hole and traces of blood below one of the sleeves. A funeral examiner was asked to look at orleans body more closely. He discovered what appeared to be a small bullet wound below her armpit. Orlean had been the victim of a homicide. A richmond police. Detective norman harding took a four by four and saad down so that the length was the same as the victims height. He brought the piece of wood to orleans property and stood it on. Its end in the general area where orlean had last stood. Detective harding had tracked down the ambulance driver. Who found orleans body. The driver told him where she had been lying. And that's how he determined where orlean had been standing when she was shot using the board and factoring in the bullet's trajectory detective harding scanned the area and discovered that the rifle round could have only been fired from one spot. A window from the briley home a window from lynn woods room. A search warrant was served at the home and a rifle was found. The murder weapon belonged to lynnwood. Detective harding would eventually be one of the leading investigators in this series of briley killings. That would take place eight years later during an interview with a psychiatric evaluator following his arrest for arlene christians murder lynnwood said he knew his victim had heart trouble adding that she was going to die soon anyway. Lynnwood spent just one year at a reform school for killing his neighbor a couple years later soon after. Jbc turned sixteen. He too would be arrested in. Nineteen seventy-three j. b. robbed a convenience store. Police responded in spotted him running from the scene. A police officer started chasing b. Who world around and fired his gun at him. No one was injured from the gunfire but j. b. was apprehended later and charged with attempted murder of a law enforcement officer. He was sent to a reform school and was paroled after a year. Here's jay be talking to reporters during prison interview years later. Admitting to the crime wrong which was in seventy three. Oh rob a store. Shot at police officer. I mistake one to prison by early. Nineteen seventy-nine all. Three briley brothers were in their twenties their tag along dunkin mickens with sixteen. The briley still lived at home with their father but their neighbors no longer called upon them to cut their grass. They preferred to keep their distance. Dale brumfield is a virginia native. Who was an undergrad student at virginia commonwealth university during the late seventies and early eighties he would later become a journalist and published author. He has done a lot of research on the briley brothers. They were vicious killer something. What was so scary about the brierley's was There was a rhyme or reason to their crimes. They seem to have no bruno graphic. Nothing common for the murders. They were all over the place. And that's what makes it so scary. Because purely random this citywide terror that the brierley's inflicted began on march twelfth nineteen seventy-nine about eight years after orleans martyr on that day. The brierley's knocked on the door. Of william virginia boozer the couple's house was a block from hilliard road in lakeside. A census designated community in henrico county located north west of richmond and about seven miles. From where the briley lived. It remains a mystery why they chose that house in that neighborhood fifty nine year. Old william buscher answered the knock on the door assuming it was the paper boy showing up to collect his payment instead. He saw lynnwood standing on his front porch. Lynnwood told william he had car trouble and needed to borrow his phone to call aaa williams said he would make the call on his behalf and asked lynnwood to hand over his aaa card. Lynnwood pulled out a card and handed it to him. The william opened the screen door to grab the card at which time lynnwood grabbed the door. Hold it backward and forced his way inside. He also pulled a gun on william and told him. Get your ass back in the house. William's wife virginia heard the commotion. She entered the living room and saw that lynnwood had a gun in one hand and a knife and another which he had placed against her husband's throat. The rest of the gang entered the house after lynnwood. One of them warned. Virginia that if she screamed or made any noise her husband would lose an ear. The boozers were forced onto the floor in separate rooms and were tied up with rope. Dunkin weakens was responsible. For tying william william asked him to loosen the rope because it was cutting off his circulation. Megan's did as he was asked them. After the couple was bound the brierley's and mickens went through each room in the house. Ransacking it and placing valuables into pillowcases. They also doused areas of the house with kerosene some of the fluid was purposely poured onto williams legs lynnwood lit match as he and the others were leaving the house. He dropped it on his way out and the fire was set. Virginia yelled out to her husband telling him the intruders were gone. William wiggled his hands free and rescued his wife before the flames overtook them. William later said he and his wife would likely be dead. Had he not convinced weakens to loosen the rope around his wrists. William and virginia buscher were the only known victims of the brierley's who survived. William would tell the richmond times dispatch thirty years later that he was doggone lucky not to have been killed that day. The briley stole the couple's car and later abandoned it among the items they stole from the house where television sets a thirty two caliber handgun and a police scanner the nine days after the bouche attack on march twenty first. The riley's forced their way into another home with murder on their minds. They entered the richmond home of michael. Mcduffie a vending machine serviceman the battered him and ransacked his house. This time they made sure their victim was dead. Lynnwood was insistent on not leaving any witnesses behind. Michael mcduffie was fatally shot ten days later on march. Thirty first lynnwood shot and killed twenty eight-year-old edrich elvin clark. Unlike most of their victims agic was known by the briley gang. Edrich was reportedly involved in a drug dispute. With duncan megan's one that lynnwood wanted to resolve with murder. His body was found lying near a road in the east end of richmond on april. The briley struck again. They drove around and spotted seventy six year old. Mary gowan leaving her babysitting job on the city's north side. They followed her for miles until she arrived tom. They then stormed into her house and terrorized her. The beat raped and shot her. They ransacked her. Home stole several items and left mary for dud. She fell into a coma at the hospital the next day and died a few weeks later then. Three months later on july fourth. The brierley's noticed a teenager on a bicycle near lynn woods parked car. It was seventeen year old christopher phillips they suspected that christopher was going to try to steal lynn woods car so they surrounded him and dragged him into a nearby backyard. All three brothers wrestled him to the ground. Christopher screamed for help and that's when lynnwood grabbed a cinderblock and hit him in the head with the brierley's waited another two months before striking again on the night of september fourteenth was a friday fifty one year old john. Hervey gallaher was playing a gig with his band at a local honky. Tonk dancehall known as the log. Cabin located on jefferson davis highway. In the south side of richmond. Johnny g who played bass was best known around town as daytime. Dj for w x g. I a local country radio station inbetween sites at the log cabin. Johnny g decided to give his dry is a break from the thick secondhand smoke. So he walked outside lynnwood j. b. anthony and dunkin had been cruising around that night looking for more victims finding no good targets. They decided to park somewhere and wait for an opportunity. They were parked next to the log cabin when they saw johnny g walkout side through a rear door. The brierley's made their move. Johnny g was abducted at gunpoint forced into the trunk of his own lincoln continental and driven to mayo island along the james river a famous river that cuts through the city of richmond. Johnny g was forced out of the trunk and stumbled as he climbed out while he was trying to regain his balance he was shot in the back with a rifle johnny. Jeez body was dragged towards the river. The brierley's pushed him down a steep slope into the water and the body floated downstream. His corpse was discovered by fishermen the following sunday. His head and shoulders were submerged and the rest of his body was tangled in a tree. That was hanging just above the water. Surface his car was located about a mile from where his body was found parked on a gravel slope behind a recycling. Plant the cb radio inside. The car had been stolen. Johnny g had several items on him that were stolen during the kidnapping including a turquoise ring that he often warm his jacket and belts were found in an alley near the club and some blood was left behind indicating that he had been battered by the briley gang before he was forced into the trunk richmond. Police also found blood inside the car. Johnny ji was a bachelor who was close to his family. His music career led him to collaborate with the likes of chet. Atkins and sonny james. His broadcasting career began in nineteen fifty nine and he was a well known radio personality in richmond at the time of his murder. The news of his death shook people. No one had any idea why johnny g was killed. It was also clear from the evidence that he was made to suffer before he was fatally shot. Then a vital clue was discovered. A fingerprint was pulled from one of the door panels on september thirtieth sixteen days after johnny. Jesus death the brierley's when driving around again looking for more victims they saw sixteen year old. Mary wolfgang heading home from her private nursing job as she was about to enter her apartment. The brierley's attacked her j. b. beat her to death with a baseball bat. They removed items from her apartment and flood. She would be the sixth murder victim of the brierley's their remaining victims were closer to home on october. Fifth the brierley's entered a house on fourth avenue located two blocks from where they lived. The home was owned by blanche page. Who is seventy nine and nearly blind. This second victim in that attack was pages border fifty nine year old. Charles garner page was beaten to death with a baseball bat upstairs. Detectives would later say the blood splatter. That was left behind was unlike anything they had seen in their careers. Charles was stabbed to death downstairs and his death was even more gruesome. He had various sharp instruments sticking out of his body when police showed up including a large fork and a pair of scissors. It was reported that at least five knives were used to kill him one. Detective j. t. woody. Who would later become richmond. Sheriff said the brierley's kept stabbing charles as his body lay on the floor. They stabbed him with so much force at the tip of the blade. Left indentations in the hardwood two weeks later on the morning of october nineteenth j. b. appeared before a judge. He was still parolee. For the attempted murder and robbery he had committed while a juvenile six years earlier. No one in that courtroom had any idea of the murderous violence yet committed during the previous seven months. Police were investigating the murders but j. b. had not yet been fingered as a suspect. The judge asked jabe whether he was on the straight and narrow and worthy of remaining out of jail he assured the judge that he was law abiding and deserved to be a free man hours after j. b. walked out of that courtroom he would take part in the briley gangs. Bloodiest massacre today. Jb's older brother. Lynnwood was already under scrutiny. Due to his well documented history of violence police also learned during their investigation that that fingerprint found inside. Johnny jeez car. The previous month was a match to lynnwood richmond. Detective set up surveillance inside a van. They had parked on the same block as the briley home. Lynnwood and james noticed the van and lynnwood was immediately suspicious of it. The brothers approached the van for closer. Look while standing just a few feet from it. They started arguing. Lynnwood was reportedly convinced. The van was an undercover police vehicle. And that he and his brother were being watched the tinted windows him suspicious. Jbc believed otherwise both of them walked up to the van and started pushing against it. The entire van started shaking. Lynnwood was still convinced. There were cops inside so j. b. pulled a gun from his waistband and fired at once towards the sky and once towards the ground if there were any police officers inside. Why weren't they jumping out with their guns drawn. J. b. asked his brother that seemed to give lynnwood some reassurance. The to return home in reality j. b. wasn't right. There actually was a police officer inside that van but she was the only one sitting inside and there were no other officers around. She wasn't about to come outside and take on both killers by herself. J. be was armed. Lynnwood may also have had a gun. The officer also worried that associates of the briley brothers might show up without warning. She had no advantage no element of surprise so she played it safe and remained inside the van without making a sound. The brierley's eventually got into lynn woods car and drove away. The van never moved from that location. Lynnwood and james met up with anthony and dunkin later that night and the four went on the prowl searching for more victims. Once again they didn't wander far harvey wilkerson and his wife. Judy diane parton lived around the corner from fourth avenue. Judy's five year old son. Harvey wayne barton also. Lived with the couple. Judy who was twenty three was five months pregnant. Harvey wilkerson was one year older than twenty five year old lynnwood. He knew the brierley's well they had been friends for years. Some have suggested that the brothers already had harvey in mind as a potential victim because they knew he dealt drugs and assumed he had stacks of cash in his home. Hervey was outside the night of october nineteenth when he saw the briley brothers park their car. Down the block hervey new. The brierley's were violent and had grown to fear them just like others in the neighborhood. He went inside his house and bolted. The door. lynnwood watched harvey retreat into the house. Prosecutors later said lynnwood and j. b. hated seeing fear and other people. It drove them to commit murder. The gang walked to the front door and banged on it. Lynnwood threatened harvey and ordered him to open up. He did immediately. He was overpowered lynnwood. J. b. anthony and dunkin all entered the home. The harvey judy and her young son were bound with duct. Tape and gagged. Lynnwood raped judy in the kitchen and after he was done dunkin then raped her lynnwood. Grab some of the families personal belongings and told j b that he was in charge of the house. Lynnwood left with the stolen items j. b. ordered anthony and duncan to cover the adult victims with sheets j. b. shot judy five times in the head he turned to dunkin and told him it was his turn to kill someone he hadn't been a triggerman yet. Duncan grabbed a pillow. p- rested against harvey wilkerson head and fired killing him. The boy harvey barton was killed last b. Shot him the head. Police were nearby and heard the gunfire. These still had lynnwood under surveillance but lost track of him. Those officers near the scene couldn't tell where the shots were coming from. So they frantically searched the area from a distance they saw j. b. anthony and duncan running along the street. They then lost track of them. The briley brothers regrouped short time later and they all took a ride in lynn woods car as they cruised around the killers listen to the dispatch reports over the police scanner. That lynnwood had in his car. It was the same one that had been stolen from the boozer house. Seven months earlier. The bloody scene inside the wilkerson home would go undetected for three days. The day after the killing gb brazenly returned to the home to steal more items. The brothers had only gotten away with one hundred dollars in cash the night before so he went back and removed a television from the house. No officers were around. When he returned. Police were later called to the scene. After a neighbor noticed a stench coming from inside jabe had apparently left one of the doors open what added to the scene was at the briley had let loose harvey's pet snakes. What investigators responded they had to contend with snakes slithering across the bloody floors. Additionally the family had a pair of doberman puppies they were running loose inside and were leaving bloody tracks throughout the house. There wasn't a room inside that home. That didn't have traces of blood. Animal control had to be called to corral the snakes and dogs. The members of the briley gang were the prime suspects in the triple murder policemen to the briley house to serve arrest warrants but lynnwood and dunkin had left shortly before they arrived the briley father. James senior had gone with them. Police eventually spotted when woods car nearby as police were fouling him. Lynnwood seemed to know he was being followed. He was hearing the dispatch reports over the stolen police radio in his car. Lynnwood led police down several streets before the pursuing officers made the decision to force him off the road. Lynn woods car rammed into a poll. Lynnwood jumped out of the moving car before impact and tried to make a run for it but was captured. James senior and duncan suffered minor injuries from the collision dunkin was taken into custody after he was treated at a local hospital. The other to briley brothers j. b. and anthony turned themselves in after learning. They were wanted. Dunkin deacons was interviewed for about an hour the pressure mounted and he cracked. He described in detail to detectives. Every robbery rape attempted murder and murder. He participated in during their seven-month spree. Of terror duncan stories shocked investigators. Mary will fong the sixty two year. Old private nurse. Who was killed three weeks earlier was murdered in henrico county. The richmond police weren't even handling that case a lot of work had to be done to collect evidence from all the killings described by duncan. They needed more than just. The teenagers statements. Warren van shook one of the assistant commonwealth attorneys assigned to the briley qes later told the richmond times dispatch quote. Evidence had been misplaced in some of the cases. Forensics had been misplaced or not done because there had been no realization that there was a suspect or that we were going to make an arrest in those cases. We had to go back and redo a lot of different things. The brierley's were more tight lipped during their police interviews than duncan but they didn't necessarily give investigators strong denials one of the detectives who is brought into interview. Lynnwood was lee roy. Morgan the forty-three-year-old detective happened to be close friends with johnny. Ge the country music dj whose body was dumped in the james river walk. Detective morgan noticed something on one of lynn woods fingers. It was johnny. Jeez turquoise rang. He knew it was. His friends rang because he was with him when he bought it. Lynnwood maost off to detective morgan during the interview. Another detective stood between the two and told detective morgan to leave the room and hold down palm. It's a place where we spend a lot of time where we often feel the most comfortable. And it's important that your home reflects who you are and what you like if you're looking to bring your unique style into your home. 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The trials for lynnwood and j b were packed with spectators during both trials. Duncan took the stand and described the scene inside. The wilkerson is home. He said j. b. had already fatally shot judy barton and he was standing over her lifeless spotty. He recalled hearing j. b. Tell him that it was his turn to get. One duncan told the jury so i stuck a pistol to a pillow. Put it to the man's head and fired richmond circuit judge james wilkinson. Who presided over. Both men's trials called the killings the vilest rampage of rape murder and robbery. The court has seen in thirty years. Others would call it. The worst rampage richmond had seen in one hundred years richmond then had developed a reputation of being one of the country's most violent cities it had one of the highest per capita murder rates in the united states during that period and about one fifth of the city's murders in nineteen seventy nine were committed by the briley gang. The richmond had three local news stations and two daily newspapers in nineteen seventy nine and all of them kept airing or publishing stories about the briley brothers. This stories about the way they killed how they terrorized. Their neighbors owned predatory animals as pets and were devoid of any remorse for their victims. Became ingrained in the memories of richmond irs. Who saw and read those new stories. Build up into you know Into monsters i mean they were bigger than live. Investigators tried to nail down. What motivated the riley's to cause so much carnage. One informant reportedly told police. The brierley's wanted to become hired hit men. They wanted to show people that they could kill without hesitation. One reason for the brothers insistence on killing every victim was lynn woods. Unwavering rule of never leaving witnesses behind referring to the two older briley brothers. Warren von shook told one tv news reporter quote if you had twenty five cents in your pocket and they wanted it they just cut your throat and take it and where that comes from. I don't know in the end. Lynnwood was convicted of six of the eleven killings linked to the briley gang. J. b. was convicted of seven anthony. Briley was not sentenced to death because he wasn't the triggerman. In any of the sayings he received life in prison plus one hundred and nineteen years. The commonwealth of virginia has since abolished parole for crimes. That were committed after december thirty first. Nineteen ninety four convicted felons still in prison for crimes. Committed prior to that date remain eligible for parole. That includes anthony. Briley who reportedly has been denied parole at least ten times. The dunkin is also serving a life sentence. The prosecutors who obtained death sentences for lynnwood and j b have recommended to virginia parole board officials. That duncan be released. They said the cases against the brierley's never would have been made without his cooperation before his death in two thousand ten. Norman harding the retired richmond. Police detective who investigated the brierley's also testified on duncan's behalf dunkin. Who is now in his late. Fifties remains housed in an undisclosed prison under an alias. Virginia corrections officials decided to do that for his protection. Inmates who snitch on other inmates are not usually safe in prisons general population. According to media reports dunkin was most recently denied parole in two thousand nine family members of harvey wilkerson have said they are opposed to his release robert rice one of the prosecutors and the briley case has said that he and von shook. Promised duncan from the outset that they would advocate for his parole as long as he cooperated with the investigation. Both prosecutors have lived up to that promise. After the news broke that dunkin's parole had been denied. Rice sounded off during an interview with the richmond times dispatch. He suggested that duncan might have been better off not saying anything. He told the newspaper. What benefit has he gotten. If i were dunkin megan's i'd have to wonder why i did what i did. Neither duncan nor anthony briley have experienced freedom since their arrests forty two years ago. But ironically the same can't be said of lynnwood and j. b. linwood nj be were sent to death row in nineteen eighty there was no other death row like it anywhere else in the world. The mecklenburg correctional center was located in southside virginia. A short drive along. Us route fifty eight east of brighton. A town of about four hundred fifty residents the federal highway closest to the prison is the longest numbered route in virginia stretching for nearly five hundred. Miles it goes. East and west. From chesapeake to cumberland gap and basically runs parallel to the north carolina border. The row designed at mecklenburg was simple. It had two sections c. Pod right and see pod loved. The cells were the same size and all looked the same. There were six cells upstairs and six more downstairs. So there were twelve cells per section and twenty four total this separate sections faced each other on opposite ends of the day room there was a plexiglass closed control room in the middle so that the guard on duty could see inside both sections and scan every cell door by simply turning has hud from the start of his incarceration linwood briley took charge in this e pod a month later in march nineteen eighty j. Be moved into the same cellblock. Lynn woods reputation inside. The prison was the same as it was on the outside. He was a natural leader. He rarely lost his temper. He had a quiet charisma and made sure he was in control of himself and others around him. Jb's reputation in prison was also the same as it was on the outside loyal to his brother but intimidating to everyone else while the two were on death. Row together j. b. was when woods enforcer. the two of them ruled the death. Row pod the briley brothers reputations preceded them. They had killed many more victims than their counterparts on death row. The other inmates knew who they were dealing with. And if there was ever a hope of challenging the brierley's superiority it was dashed quickly in nineteen eighty one a year or so after his arrival j. b. made an attempt to escape death row. Those plans were thwarted after it was discovered that someone a girlfriend of his was trying to smuggle in weapons. Jv served a brief stint in solitary confinement but the incident was soon forgotten by prison officials. This security at mecklenburg was only as good as those who enforced it and they're never seemed to be good enforcement one day in june one thousand nine hundred eighty three a new death row inmate. Dennis stockton was moved into the cellblock. Dennis was convicted in a murder-for-hire plot in stuart virginia a small town in the blue ridge. Mountains dennis would keep a diary of his experiences at mecklenburg which would later become the most insightful document detailing what life was like inside. Virginia's death his diary was the basis of a book co written by joe jackson the first inmate to approach. Dennis was lynnwood a day or so. After dennis arrived lynnwood picked up a chair from the day room. Placed it in front of dennis's cell door sat in it and introduced himself. Dennis knew who lynnwood was even though dennis lived two hundred miles south west of richmond. The briley gang's crimes had made news all over the state not long into the conversation. Lynnwood handed dennis. What looked like a rolled up cigarette. Dennis took a drag and realized it wasn't tobacco he was smoking. It was colombian refer. It was dennis's first realization. That day-today life on death row wasn't so strict and the one in charge wasn't wearing a guard uniform according to linwood the guards knew about the pot they also knew about the homemade wine being made in the cell block. They just didn't care lynnwood would later say they would rather see as doing that than sawing on the bar. That's how it reportedly worked on death. Row the guards would allow for some rule breaking as long as it eased some of the tension. If there were no fights to break up the guards were willing to placate the prisoners. The dennis in lynnwood became fast friends. The two of them shared an interest in marijuana. Dennis would write in his diary that linwood nj were in charge of much of the drug trade inside the prison lynn woods. Entire cell was reportedly littered with contraband. He'd sell cigarettes bootlegged wine drugs and just about anything else. He would tape provocative photos of women on his walls photos. He would receive from female admirers on the outside. Dennis relished his friendship with lynnwood like his friend. Dennis had arrived at mecklenburg with the less than stellar reputation. The guards were leery of him immediately. Dennis had an expression that could be described as menacing. One person who worked on his defense said dennis had no chance at an acquittal because his is revealed so much evil he compared making eye contact with dentists. Like making eye contact with adolf hitler. Dennis was similar to j b. He was fierce intimidating and confrontational. The two didn't compete for alpha dogs status inside the pod though. Dennis conceded that role to j. b. dennis. One scott wise to jb's penchant for cheating at cards had been anyone else in the prison. Even lynnwood dennis likely would have said something but it was j b. Dennis decided it was best to pretend he didn't notice. Dennis may have had a friend in lynnwood but he never got close to j. b. fell that there was one person in the of that could kill him. It was It was it was one day in october. Nineteen eighty-three when lynnwood. I mentioned breaking out of prison to dennis. The two were playing scrabble and lynnwood psalm. Something they often did together. Lynnwood brought it up casually. He asked dennis. You ever think of leaving here from that moment. Forward lynnwood and dennis had a lot of conversations about leaving mecklenburg. It didn't take long before they both agreed that the best way to do it was by tricking. The guards. That seemed easy enough. Considering how lackadaisical they were lynnwood considered dennis to be a useful accomplice. He and the other death row inmates knew nothing of the geography outside the prison. They had no idea where those roads lead to while an inmate dennis had been driven to danville for court hearings into south hill for doctor appointments. He knew the lay of the land. Dennis and the briley served on death. Row the same time as another high profile inmate. Joe giradi tano. Joe had a history of crime violence drug abuse and mental problems at thirteen. He tried dying by suicide. His father had abandoned him and he wouldn't meet him until he was an adult. The to finally met in florida both of them were inmates. At the infamous union correctional institution outside stark. Joe was taking after the father. He barely knew not long after his return to virginia. Joe was convicted of killing a forty four year. Old woman and her fifteen year old daughter inside their home in norfolk. Joe was the mothers roommate. The home had been known as a party house where visitors regularly came and went one night. In february nineteen seventy-nine police found the bodies of the victims. They had been fatally stabbed and the daughter had been raped. Joe was reportedly in drug hayes when he woke up and saw the two bodies. He believed he had committed the murders even though he had no memory of doing so he panicked and took the first bus out of town. He wrote it all the way to jacksonville before deciding to turn himself in. The joe gave a series of interviews to detectives and his stories kept changing. Joe's guilt has reportedly always been in question. No evidence was collected at the scene of the crime because police stopped the investigation after joe admitted to committing the murders joe waited less than two days before his scheduled execution date in june nineteen eighty before filing an appeal. As soon as he did his execution was put on hold. He remained on death row while his appeal went through the proper channels. Then there are two other inmates. I wanna touch on here earl clayton. And derrick peterson earl was convicted of a nineteen seventy two murder of an elderly new jersey woman. Well out on parole for that conviction. He was arrested on an unrelated felony charge and jailed in petersburg virginia a small city about twenty five miles south of richmond wild jailed and awaiting trial for that charge in april of nineteen eighty. He escaped from the petersburg. Jail remained at large for seven months one night. In november of that year neighbors heard screams from the home of a local librarians house. Police arrived in saw the female victim dead and covered in blood. Police also found earl hiding underneath the victims. Bad petersburg police detective said earl had burglarized and attack his victim. They said he tied belt around her neck and stabbed her several times. He had urged into her home looking for money. The jury agreed with police and prosecutors and earl was sentenced to death. He arrived at mecklenburg on march thirteenth. Nineteen eighty one. He was thirty one. He was hyperactive temperamental and in great physical shape. He harboured bad feelings towards white people but mostly maintained good relations with the dennis. He did so because earl idolized lynnwood and he didn't wanna make an enemy of one of lynn woods closest friends the lynnwood knew he had control over earl. All he'd have to do is whistle and earl would come running to him. Earl had a nickname on death. Row the other inmates called him goldie. He was like lynn woods. Pet golden retriever as for derek. Lynn peterson he was arrested. In february nineteen eighty two in tidewater for the murder of a forty five year. Old grocery store manager in hampton. He walked into the office. Cubicle of the pantry. Pride store grabbed checks and cash and shot the store manager once in the stomach. The man died from his wounds and months. Later peterson was convicted and sentenced to death. Derek is one of those closest friends on death row. His cell was next to earls the last inmate. I wanna talk about here. Is willie lloyd. Turner willie was convicted and sentenced to death for the nineteen seventy eight slaying of a jewelry store owner in franklin about forty miles west of norfolk lynnwood. And james briley. Dennis stockton joe jerry. Tano earl clinton derrick peterson willie turner and a few others decided to all get together and hatch their plan. A plan to escape from mecklenburg preparations for the escape began in january of that year. Dennis had some post trial hearings richmond so he had to spend a few weeks at the jail there. When he returned to mecklenburg he realized something was different. The inmates were getting more serious about escaping. Lynnwood ask dennis whether he was still interested in getting out in that moment. Dennis assured lynnwood that he was lynnwood spells. It out for him they were planning to overtake the guards steal their uniforms. Put them on to disguise themselves and walk out of the prison. Dennis nearly laughed and lynn woods. Face he thought lynnwood was making it sound too easy he also knew it would be a challenge to avoid getting shot by one or more of the tower guards. And then what would happen if they did get off the property. They'd be so close to the north carolina border. They'd have to contend with police and national guard forces from both states. Dennis surprised lynnwood actually had specific plans already laid out and it was clear that a great deal of thought was put into them. The inmates new the guards shirts waste and shoe sizes. They found out the designated radio codes for each guard. Who worked in the building. They also knew where the riot gear was stored inside building one. The inmates knew they needed weapons. Willie turner had that covered. He was a prolific knife maker. And he knew how to conceal them by late february. The inmates collected enough items to make all the homemade weapons they needed. During the coming weeks and months turner used nail files metal scraps and other materials and converted them into blades. Turner and the other inmates stashed the weapons in various places including the hollowed out. Legs of the chairs tables and beds located throughout the pod. Dennis helped lynnwood and the others smooth out some of the smaller details before long. Mostly everyone in the pod had an assignment and knew what to do that included. Those inmates who were not planning to run all of the inmates wanted to be seen as team players their lives depended on it. If lynnwood and j b. suspected someone was going to snatch. That person would get an early execution. The first formal meeting was held in the day room on march. Fifth nineteen eighty-four. The inmates pushed two tables together and sat down the had the presence of mind to stack some lawbooks onto the tables to give the impression they were going over. their appeals. one guard was sitting just thirty feet away and watching. Tv while another was glancing over from the control room but neither had any idea what the group of inmates were actually discussing. Not every loose end was tied during the meeting and the escape itself was still more than three months away but everyone agreed that the best way to get through the administration building the most heavily guarded area of the prison was by making the guards think that there was a bomb inside the prison. The guards for as long as any of the inmates could remember never had to contend with any sort of bomb threat. The inmates knew they needed the guards to be confused overwhelmed or both they figured a bomb hoax was the best way to make that happen. Everyone was assigned a job. Dennis was the getaway driver and his participation was critical. No one else on death row other than lynnwood had ever owned a driver's license and it had been a long time since lynnwood had driven. The last time was when he rammed into a poll. Trying to get away from the richmond police but perhaps the riskiest assignment fell on earl clinton. It was his job to figure out how to enter the guards bathroom and hide there for an extended period. The bathroom was closed to the control room. Someone had to enter that room in order to open all the doors so earl was to hide inside inside the bathroom wait for an audible. Signal burst out of the bathroom and enter the control room while inside. He then had to work the buttons properly to unlock all the cell doors. Their plan was coming together but could it actually work one day in march word. Got out of a surprise inspection of the cell block. Inmates referred to them as shakedowns. J. b. haddish shake in his cell and he was paranoid that it would be found if so it likely meant he'd be placed into solitary confinement for months. Jbc called over a guard and convinced him to fetch the weapon from. Its hiding place. The guard found the weapon and stuffed it inside his sock as it turned out. There was no shakedown. The guard eventually put the weapon back where he had founded originally. The plan was to escape on april fifteenth tax day. There were ten inmates who were involved in the escape and at that point all ten were determined to go but as the april fifteenth date neared a couple of them. Were getting nervous while a few others were bugging the brierley's and others about tagging along with them on the outside the brierley's weren't planning on letting anyone join them to more men arrived that spring on death row. Willie leroy jones and lum davis tuggle junior. not long. After lunch tuggle moved in he was pulled to the side by the brierley's and if you other inmates they asked him whether he wanted to take part in the escape he enthusiastically agreed to do so. The same went for willie. Jones willie was twenty six years old when he was sentenced to death. He was convicted in the double murder and robbery of an elderly. Charles city county couple. The slayings occurred on may thirteenth nineteen. Eighty-three willie shots seventy-seven-year-old graham adkins in the head and then asked his wife seventy nine year. Olds myra to pray for him after she did. So willy shot her. He stuffed myra into a closet and stole thirty thousand dollars from a bedroom. Save and then set the house on fire. An autopsy revealed that myra had survived the shooting but died from smoke inhalation. From the fire. Willie new graham and myra after they had offered to help him while he was out of work lung. Tuggle of smith county in southwest. Virginia had a jekyll and hyde personality. He was a laid back country boy but his darker more violent side would come out whenever he drink excessively. You know if he met him in a bar or something like that in order to fishing camp or something like i think he would be a in just a likable good oakwood but lim could If you've got them drunk and he was around the woman than Then that woman had him very good chance of being killed early. During his adult life leme was given an undesirable discharge from the military for going awol too many times in nineteen seventy one. He then raped and strangled seventeen year. Old shirley bricky in nineteen eighty three. He was paroled for that crime but less than four months later he was arrested for the rape and murder of fifty two year. Old jesse havens. She was shot in the chest and thrown down embankments. He robbed story after murdering his second victim and when he was pulled over by deputies he admitted to the robbery when he heard a call about the missing victim. Come over the deputies radios. He confessed to that crime to he then showed them where he put the body. He simply told them that he was tired of running the one night while in prison lum lay in bed with a hand held per quarter that he snuck inside row here. He is talking about the inmates plan to escape. This recording is from youtube. And i'll provide the link in the show notes so you can listen to it in its entirety from march until may playing. This goes escape. we have low committee. Any problem often. Claritin you can take any kind of all because state overrode resigned here. Nothing more important. So that's where we're headed personal conflicts over obese game on april fourteenth one day before the scheduled escape lynnwood told us denison. They would be delaying the escape one more month. He said his brother j be needed. More time. he felt they were still short on weapons they also decided it would be better to carry out the plan after the post in iraq time rather than earlier in the day it meant there would be fewer guards on duty and they could escape when it was dark outside. Dennis was disappointed because he had already packed his overnight bag of supplies. The change of plans inevitably meh. Dennis would change his mind about joining the escape. What swayed him was his renewed optimism regarding his appeal his accomplice in the murder-for-hire plot the one accused of hiring dennis to kill the victim had his case thrown out before it went to trial. Dennis was feeling more confident than ever that he could win an appeal and he didn't wanna do anything to jeopardize his chances. Dennis told lynnwood he was pulling out. Lynnwood was disappointed that he had lost his driver but he didn't get angry j. b. however had a different reaction already suspicious of dennis j b was told by one of the guards that rumors were circling around that. The inmates were planning an escape. He openly accused dennis of being a snitch. Dennis furiously denied it as it turned out to death. Row inmates identities still unknown to this day actually did tell their attorneys about the escape plot. Those attorneys then went to the attorney general with that information. The attorney general's office called the ward in mecklenburg on the morning of april. Eighteenth three days after the originally scheduled data escape a riot. Team stormed into the pod and checked the cells. Nothing of significance was found. Nothing that seemed to confirm what the attorney general was told that several death row inmates were plotting a breakout on april twentieth. The unit was placed on lock down. The inmates weren't allowed out of their cells except to take a shower and that was every other day one by one death row inmate was brought into an interview room for questioning. Each one came away realizing that officials knew very little about what was really going on. They were fishing for information. Mostly asking questions about hidden weapons. Every inmate remained tight-lipped. The lockdown was lifted after one. Week following the scare. The inmates on death row who are planning to break out were more restless than ever b. Was keeping a close watch on everyone. Errol clinton openly said he would kill the snatch if he ever found out who it was. Meanwhile the plan was never altered. A new date for the escape hadn't been agreed upon but circumstances dictated that it needed to happen on. May thirty first told me that the state was on for tonight and this was almost thirty. Percents recent being because we've got more from building getting ready to kick off a ride and also a rod before we got the escape forces at work. It was time leme shaved his beard. Willie turner made sure. The weapons were ready. Earl was getting anxious. Dennis wrote down everything. He observed in his diary. The briley brothers were about to become more infamous than ever and fear was about to grip richmond all over again next week in part to nothing. I got a phone call from a friend of mine. This recall and he said if you know news. And i'm like what's that and he's there. World offense bristol breaking mecklenburg. I'm like you gotta be kidding. That's not possible. And that's all for today's episode. A special thank you to joe jackson and dale brumfield for helping us out with this episode. You'll be hearing even more from them next week. These episodes on the brightly brothers were researched and written by tony holtz. Don't forget you. Follow court junkie on instagram. 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061020 Part 1

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He sells running athletic socks, so he's back at work, but not doing a lot of work, but I can tell his tone when he's at work because he becomes sales guy, and if he weren't my dad, I would hate his guts, because he's a total sales guy, listen and slick, and he gets real close on the phone. He's talking at have volume goes. Hey, my baby, boy, what are you doing? I'm thirty two my baby boy. I heard you I. Heard you hurt yourself. Are you for real. Yeah I was swift firing and I took the swiffer into the chest and. I fell into the autumn and hurt my back you. You fell on the Ottoman. You are cheesed. Fewer being serious if you're joking to. God. Boy. Hurting himself in. Apartment Oh my God. Did you tell your mother? I on the phone. Their home! She probably didn't hear it. She's not at work, but I heard it. I was dying. The car. You can kill yourself. From swiffer. Doesn't even know what a swiffer I was like. No idea. How would he say if he weren't at work? At full volume, Hey, buddy, what are you GonNa? Hurt you listen to the radio I'm listening to the urge. My. Kat. GonNa, be careful, dude. You changed you change. Then he gets an down down low worsley as Receiver. Ta. Sas. Naked Funny! This is the Ason Tj show. Top of the Morn into. Mates lassie. Brigands do you have an appointment to get a haircut or they just told you how long it would be. Then you said never mind. No I had an appointment last night yesterday evening, okay? How. Your hair is coming down pasture chin. Banks are coming until you pass your chin. You didn't make it, did I cancelled it? Why. Why did you decide to do that? Oh, it was just one of those days. You know you've. Things start piling up and it's all about the. He said she said Bs. So another day you know there's always tomorrow or because you just had to eat to dinners last night. Yeah, have time for. Did you hear that he did not know that I. Did I had to dinner. I had regular dinner, and then I took the dog for a walk in the in the evening, and there was a hotdog cart. And you gotTA. Just picture me and basketball shorts and an oversized t shirt. And sweating walking this weird, looking dog down the sidewalk and turn my head at a forty five degree angles. Cram a hot dog in my fat. PUDGY mouth. How far was this? How long was this after dinner? maybe an hour and a half hours. So well. The, second dinner is is not a new concept to me. Because my friend, any will eat three dinners at least. Every night. Three. On the weekends three dinners Yeah Yeah. she's five to maybe a hundred five pounds maybe. But she works out like a demon every day she and take a rest. Him have a day off, so metabolism is always running, and as soon as food hits it. It Burns it, so she's raised. Start eating again and it's not like a three dinners that are grilled chicken and Broccoli for the first one and. You know a grilled chicken salad for the second one, and so it's A. Pizza for the first one TACO bell for the second one at McDonald's is a nightcap I mean. Unbelievable, that is while awesome and. I can't remember I think it's She gets to double cheeseburger. Fries and A. Shake. Every time at McDonald's her order. Who Double Cheese Burgers, fries and a strawberry shake? Yeah, at least six days a week. Really Yeah, she has that meal six days a week. Because it's, it's the meal. She's before she goes to bed. Her is working at such light on just firing on all cylinders. Yeah yeah, it's. It's the whole Michael. Phelps thing and you know how they do the the the hit workouts. No, I mean. That's been a thing for a long time, but just gotten popular over the last couple of years high. Intensity interval training is what is so you run really really fast, and we go as high as you can. And then it drops down to a slow gets its heart rate up and down up and down. Well usually those are twenty minute workouts thirty minute workouts. I walked in to the gym one day back when they were still allowed to have gyms when it was a Free Country Free State and I looked and she was on the treadmill and she was going slowly and I thought okay well. She's wrapping up. I'll say. Some torso went over there and looked at the timer on. It clicked over to fifty six minutes. And her. She can't even just slow it down for the walk to let her heart rate. Go down while it's on the slow mode. She's doing treadmill lunges on it. What is don't even know you know instead of just walking. She's doing on GE's as the treadmill goes. Asked That loves to eat that much and still be dying. I love it very impressive and in fifteen beers a day. With with the other stuff. And this slam. That's amazing I've. Working out, I'll time or not I've never seen anything like that. 'cause Michael. Phelps didn't even drink the you know the swimmer. He wasn't drinking beer halls. That's crazy. Yeah, the only thing I've ever seen like that well Phelps. And I've told you before watching that special about floyd mayweather training for a fight, and he was eating things like at eleven o'clock at night, he was eating Fried Chicken just because he decided to go play basketball because he didn't. His Cardio was good and after basketball. We had he's eating fried chicken before bed at eleven o'clock and they were trying to tell him. You need to get more fat in your body because he wasn't. He was burning too much off. There were worried. About is what we need to get his weight up instead of down as he prepared for a fight because of the workout routine. Well That's unbelievable, though yeah and we're with them so much. I mean. We're like family that on the weekends when When we're out later and everything and she starts in with the hoarders. Everything for you know. Everybody's order is already in the thing where she doesn't have to ask everybody what they want for Taco Bell, she just hits whatever and then it shows up. And it's you know there. What S in their four? Six of US including the kids and Jodi uses doesn't get any of the TACO bell or any of that, but it's a minimum every time fifty bucks at Taco. You told us one night. That was unbelievable. It was eighty. So what does she has all just logged in her phone I opened the notes in her phone. We're GONNA. Need right there. Yeah same with pizza and barbecue whatever. It's. Just in there because she gets so excited if we eat lunch at. Anywhere between three and four, because that's GonNa maybe before dinners, she counts that first dinner, and then she gets the all the way up until midnight or where. Choke me out. So hot. Since he? Lady in Oklahoma. Who went on facebook live. Shocked the world you are not going to believe. What she did. Really. That's all you need to know. 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Perhaps not everybody remembers this eighty s classic. And his Wang Chong everybody have fun time. With. Well. We know what you need to honor. Frontline healthcare workers. Wang Chung has updated their hit. Everybody have fun tonight and turn it into. Everybody stays safe tonight. Rebound these days. They left in there. Make sure he gets. Keep keep our naming their. Keep the wing Chong partly. Everybody Weighing Jong. Leave us in. Just came out hit. Wow! The late in the day on that, aren't they have changed one line to I. Don't know how much. Lyrical alteration. Who's done I mean they still sound as good as they ever did? Yeah. which is not necessarily a compliment? Okay. We're going Oklahoma. Where lady went on facebook. Live this week and shocked everyone okay. She showed off her. Husband's an her husband's ashes. And then dumped them in the trash. Her husband died dodd back in two thousand eleven, and his ashes were given to his wife. She took the opportunity this week to blast him before dumping his remains in a garbage can is family though wanting his brother doesn't want him around. His kids doesn't doesn't want him. He drove a garbage. For a picked up businesses a trash, so. We're sending back to the landfill today. Right. Here, he goes this in the Dutch. In the trash this is for. All the pain and all the turmoil he has caused there. He's getting in my face mask. The. Peace out is getting face, nasty nasty but. He must have been huge. That was a big bag ashes, huge bag of ashes big, yeah! I wonder if she feels better hopefully. He must have been a bad person a bad guy. Rum remind me to not get her to do my eulogy. Think, she would move people. To just gathered the kids in the neighborhood around. And Adam seeing this for him. Pau. Seeds Oh. Oh. Throw them into the trash gas really God. Creepy! Unsettling. Shout out to the killers up this morning and listening. Yeah, she gave any indication as to any of the things he had done to cost so much pain. She said he had put her head through a window and kicked her head. Oma God. While, was she still with them to begin with? There is a new relatively new music genre that blends hip hop and country music. It's called contract. Willie Jones from the town of my birth, Shreveport. Louisiana is looking to follow the leader Lezak who you know. The Old Town road made him international superstar. Is this all called trainwreck? Do. It. Yeah. It doesn't quite have the flair of an old town. Road is quite have the Singalong aspects of an old town road. He's good looking. Guy. He he's got that on Lana Zak. Is Ugly, but he's this guy really good-looking. Got, those doubts pop and bow. Pal Yeah I don't hear that. It's catching setting the world on fire, though it's as good as any other country song on the radio would. That's probably initially. Country, easily, if. Problems look good. 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Lot of people have gone a long time without driving their cars and we had the story yesterday that people are rusty when it comes to their driving skills because they haven't driven in so long. but along with that they're saying there's been a big increase. in rats housing themselves in your car under the hood, and so forth building nests. Just because your car hasn't moved because it's been an has not been hot and. So. They get up in there and build. A, rat's nest. which is what they call a nest? Right? We. Don't have a human home. We just have home. Yeah, a house, Human House! Yeah, just a nest. And these rats come out while people are driving. They can oh my God just like a snake. You know a Lotta Times. We'll get come in through the. But either way I wouldn't WanNa rat anywhere close to me. Then if they don't get out from under the hood, they'll probably die. Yeah, they probably get caught up in the fan. And can actually probably caused damage depending on how big the rat is! Oh, they easily could get caught if they're if they're under the CA-. Chew a wire and and cause a problem for your vehicle. I would rather them ruin my car than have that rat come into the cabin or whatever they call. There's no way for it to get in. It's probably the rat can't fit through it in your vents or wealth that unless there. That's what I was. GonNa say unless they have baby Ram. Here. Does one big rat creep you out. Morgan's or a bunch of little baby rat ab rats, many of the tin baby rats would freak me out much more one big rap. Yeah, no way! What if? You were driving. Though let's say you were driving. And you heard something and you look to the air conditioning vent. It wasn't a baby rat, but all you could see with big rap face behind you see big rat is. Or Lawrence rat tail, sticking out of your like what is that? That's a Oh. No, no! No No. No run me off the road. What do you put into the first place? That looks like they work on cars to look for help. Yeah, in that case pulling off the road immediately. Crashing into a ditch. Yet? No Way I don't want to pull over to the shoulder. What do you do? Run and he would run and squeal. Yeah, does leave your car there yeah. Why would you abandon your? D- that's not going to solve the problem he would you get somebody to come? That's an expert on getting rid of rats you. You wouldn't just leave it there forever now. I wouldn't be tainted. AAA for that I don't even. A rat in the car. or You could just pop the hood. Get the axe handle from behind the seat and just start walking it. Yeah the axe handle I. Keep behind my. tebas. One of the other didn't think about that, right? All right so when we talk about people from Delaware. You. Probably don't automatically imagine rednecks. No I don't but Delaware's full rednecks. One. To prove that coming up next. Unleashed dog training dot net is a service to help train puppies, obedience, programs canine good, citizen Protection Sport Dog and more. 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Kevin, Brownlee Not Kevin Brown Li like Middle Name Brown last name Leigh. Brownlee. And He was driving over weekend when another guy tailed him until he stopped. And then the guy went up to the CAR Kevin was driving. Instead it was, he was driving recklessly tried to. Any. Kevin tried to punch the Guy. When he said you're driving recklessly. I'm Bob last so Kevin tries to punch him. The guy reached in in blocked Kevin's punch, but his arm got stuck. So then when it got loose, he fell down. And he lost his balance. He falls down on the road and then Kevin through his car into reverse to try to run over the guy. PUT IT in reverse. Oh, man tried to run over him well, the guy started. Yeah, but not minded business. Don't try to confront Kevin. So the guy got out of the way but he jumped in his car and started following Kevin again all the way to Kevin's house. Kevin ran inside, grabbed his gun and shot the guy in the army. And Kevin was arrested With attempted murder possession of a deadly weapon during a felony, reckless endangerment and criminal mischief charges. Against the attempted murder part was when he tried to run over him. Yet not the shooting. Maybe not Delaware is a is. A communist state, basically for all intents and purposes, so they may not have proper Second Amendment observations to where guys coming at him at his house on his property. You can shoot him in some states. And I want you own a property or a threat to me and then you can shoot. But. Probably not in Delaware, so we may have to attempted murder charges. Trying to run over him man why they piled a bunch of stuff. We're GONNA. Get Him on something in here. We're going to this out. And maybe he threw the first punch then he tried to run over the guy. Right Yeah right so technically he did start the fight because he threw the first punch. No the guy. Got Up in his space. By you know. Being up in the in the window, trying to talk crap. At once you once you cross that line I know in MMA. You know streetfighting care this. You don't have to throw a punch. He's just if they get up in your grill. That's a threat. This is just Delaware. Like the Octagon, but why is the guy a great? So he's he's the guy driving recklessly. You think so, you're gonNA. Go confront him. And then be shocked whenever something like this happens when he tries to fight or Shoots at you when you follow him to his house, Yeah! but It must be part of the Delaware. Being Communist and all because of the possession of deadly weapon. During a felony. Charge Oh, and he may, he may already have a you know. Be On probation or something. a no, he's got a pretty sweet black eye and swollen lip and his mugshot. Kevin Does Oh, so from got a hold of. Lease or or the? The trouble make because you never said. The guy landed. A blower got ever swung. No he just blocked. He blocked Kevin's punch. So? Maybe it was the cops. He. Maybe they should throw A. Resisting arrest charge on Kevin as well. He's got a sweet braid to yeah Brayden a black guy, those those the the two BS of fashion. No black. On now. With Brigands. Today might be my favorite day of the year. Oh, it is I. think it might be and I think TJ is GonNa have a problem with it because what else is new. We'll get to now trending in less than ten minutes. The TJ. Show would like to thank everyone who has helped with ace and TJ's grin kids. are once a year trip to Disneyworld with chronically disabled and terminally ill children and their families please visit green kids dot org for sponsorship opportunities and again. Thank you wore teachers. Hi, I'm Bobby, barber independence since he director. Do you love SPA? Soft Fragrant Susan Beautiful Home Decor than hurry over to my website smells just dot com, and look at our New Himalayan salt warmers. 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They announced it yesterday they would be taken the movie down. and. That's not the only thing that happened yesterday. COPS has been canceled by paramount yeah. It ended its run on Fox a few years ago, then it moved to paramount bike spike. The spike turned paramount paramount, so yeah, in light of recent events that is now, and they said they have no plans on bringing back now. The classic movie though is with with Tuesday's right Tuesday. You know you don't get that reference. I don't. Does Tuesday's gone with the Wind Newsday's scattered Whiskey Leonard Scanner. What's another interesting because I wanted about this Friday night? I'd flipped over to see if live was on and it wasn't. They were airing live. Rescue live PD temporarily on hiatus while they try to figure out what to do going forward. Yeah, yeah, the guy that runs live. Dan Abrahams Yeah. He's not a nice fellow. That said he's He and I would would never see eye-to-eye politically. He's one of them. But he's one of those News correspondents that supposed to be unbiased and he works for ABC. Yeah he, he's not project. Yeah, he's attorney and. I think they were re tweeting him yesterday. He said the show will return. They're just temporarily off the air while they. Can Review, the show or something. They just kind of ripped off cops, didn't they? I mean. Does live. Different being able to jump from place to place all of the country and do it live where it's completely unedited that have a ravenous fans, twitter, ravenous following every moment of it, and I was like that just looks like cops, but I didn't realize they bounce around live. That makes more sense but it cops not coming back. Probably today is my favorite day of the year. Hands Down One hundred percent today is national iced tea day. Oh I. Love made the. It's just ice tea. TJ has an issue with people calling it sweet tea in the south. It should just be t right right. There's there's no need for the qualifier. In the south of calling it sweet tea, because it should be accepted that the normal, the norm of it is sweet. That's normalcy in the south. The only time you should stipulate a difference is when you're saying unsweetened tea. That's when it's different. normal is is just T- and it's got sugar so it. Should just be referenced ass. T because it should be in the south. A sweet. BE ICED exactly right? Now I don't mind iced does much. But when you have to make a big deal out of calling it sweet tea then I think that's. That's redundant. Because it's automatically sweet right? Yeah, and it's also national egg roll. Day. Which I'm in eleven egg Gro really Adam you. Get some ice tea, meg role. You're not crazy about A. Man Come on yeah I'm not I'm not big on cabbage or carrots. Oh man the the to see words. The C word cabbage or care yeah? Can I backtrack for a second Ridge for yeah? Thank you to John Deere. Live PD Riggins I didn't realize they bounced around live or what clue was missed. Quick it's called live beating. Yeah. It seems like cops. The name. What clue was missed a? I guess I assumed cops was live. No not at all. I really? Cops really missed the boat on that they did get ripped off. All the things are not running all right a simple question just to see whether you are antisocial or just rude. Or you don't feel like being bothered. All coming up next. And TJ APP is the only place to catch more show after the show live each weekday at ten eastern or download the podcast afternoon. More act and TJ coming soon. Okay now that we're all both stuck at home and looking at any new hobby or career idea remember we've got our podcast company and can help you with a career in podcast. All you need is the idea, and we can help you with everything else from equipment posting on itunes how you do a podcast and most importantly how you do it podcast and have it sound professional now this part may be good for some and well not so much for others as and I will listen. 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And Strap it on himself at about ten twenty five in the am right before more show after the show is over. He would do it and then are even if he could just call it teleport himself or whatever he could just snap his fingers already be at home. He would do that. and. It's not because he has so many things. He's got on his list. Do and get done throughout the day. He just wants to be out of here. He wants to avoid any other contact. With anybody that he doesn't have to deal with. Right? Yeah, he even parks at the other end of the building. A because he doesn't want to interact with any of the other shows in the building that will be getting off at the same time. We do right, so he can just bolt the opposite direction and walk a lot farther to his car, but walk through an area where when people are here. and it's not cova time. That he the chances of his getting stopped and having to talk to somebody or slimmer at the right for the most barley hallway. That's. The only people he would see or some people that are kind of off to the side as he turns the corner and goes toward another hallway right and he's already built momentum and he doesn't have. If somebody does something to. He could just speak and keep going yet. Say something funny, maybe or just say hey, and then he never slows down. Just nothing stops him. And I was wondering if. You know in day to day life, do most people avoid? Other people because you don't WanNa talk. Or. Do you mostly avoid people because? They are expecting something from you for example if they've asked you to do something. And you haven't done it or you're supposed to return their call or you know you didn't answer. They're taxed or their email. Where is that the main reason you avoid people for me? because. I don't WanNa talk. Because, I, talk nonstop. For. Four and a half or sometimes five hours in a row that when I'm when I leave here, I know that I'm probably going to be talking on the phone with our manager. Adam or something else about work lot of times. It's Regan's. So when I'm when I'm finished with that, I don't really want to Chit Chat with anybody. But I've always done that. Though when when I was young in you know I was fifteen and just got my driver's license in drive the Walmart, if I saw people there on an aisle that I knew I was going to have to stop and talk to. I would go the other way. A lot of people call that rude. Not if they don't see, but everybody does that right if they don't. Root Yeah I would never look at somebody who's speaking to me and not speak back to him and stop and talk, and if you turn the aisle and you saw them, and they saw you you and just turn and walk away, so it's not rude as long as they don't know you're there I don't find it to be right I would cuss to myself and then. Hey, yeah. Yeah! Yeah I know the feeling. But you don't. You're not like that as much as you you're. You're more talkative and you. You enjoy interacting more so than than riggins. If I can keep moving. I used to enjoy it more than I do now. Because I figure, everybody's judging me and they're going to want something from me so i. try to keep it moving. Regan's Heave and calls just like friends. Yeah to see what's a because I know they don't want anything from me. They just want him. I was up. How's life? And I guess for me a lot of it is. Longer. It's been since I've done that then the longer the call is going to be. Like with my mom. You know if I called my mom my calls her every day. Every day he calls us. That's why I didn't talk to her every day when I was in kindergarten. Do It as an adult. I mean there were days I didn't. Five or six I wouldn't even you know I'd avoid. But. I know that when I do, call her is going to have to be a long conversation in in each day that goes between the time that I've talked to her is going to be added time to the sentence sure I mean to the conversation. But yeah in here I. Call Myself Out on it because I'm you know trying to blame it on the fact that I talk non stop for a living. But I've always been that way so. That's just an excuse. That's what that's the excuse. I is an all day. Talking just shot up I I got to be quiet for a minute You've always been that way to. As, why do you avoid people? You don't avoid people to keep from talking or. Only if Bill Collectors. If I'm trying to do so I if I'm if I go into the store to get something I'm here to get this and get out and you realize. Oh, this is going to hold me up. I will work around. Work the aisles a little bit to make sure they don't need me or something like that. Oh I. Don't need to get on that I'm I'M GONNA. Stand on this sal and I'm gonNA. Go to. Staying here second await. Maybe, they're gone by over the UP. They're gonNA. Grab what I need to get out. Okay so there are two questions here. What is the number? One reason you avoid people? and. Who is avoiding someone right now? And why? Why are you avoiding somebody right now? Go Away One person. Yeah if If. They know that they're moving next weekend and you don't want them to help you. Ask you to help them move. Oh, that's a good one. You know something like that. You know they're gonna ask you for something because you may, they may. You may owe them a favor, but you just don't feel like paying. That's not the one you pay off. They helped you move. So one triple, eight, forty, one eight TJ RDBMS. At the show. If you're avoiding people and why? There's more of the TJ show coming up. Hustle bbq dot. com is hustling the competition with an online store you'll love featuring rubs and sauces. 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Some of them said to and others didn't but This lady says I usually avoid people when I'm leaving work because I don't want to get stuck working longer than the twelve hours i. just put in. Actually hold my phone my ears if I'm going to call when I'm leaving work to avoid being stopped. You'll do that where you're rea-. Pretend like you're on the phone, and if somebody kind of waved the you know, they're trying to get your attention for something. You just kind of wait like. Keep walking away back and turn your hand like I didn't realize that. Some people do that when they're stopped at a light and there's a homeless person walking up and down the. You know by the cars with the some people will act like they're on the phone and they don't see the homeowners. Knows people are. Not Nice. I have a CO worker that annoys me to my core. This person is a corona. Slash Kovic nut so anytime. This person's near my office or we both are in common area I'll cough really loudly so this person will leave the area. Or just avoid me so I don't have to interact with them. Know if that annoying and you don't WanNa have to. Duck their talking to him. So this guy was dating girl that he worked with, and it was at a grocery store. Type, place? Things ended between them, so he didn't want it to get all weird, so he found a new job. His new job was with a a soft drink company. And he delivered soft drinks, or you know ordered this. The soft drinks whatever you had to be in grocery stores and they assigned him to that same grocery store. So he would make that his last stop every day, so he wouldn't have to see her. Go through all the work. You quit your job. People just. This the noise by. I know the field skies and. Delivery, driver. He always make sure that he stops at during people's lunch and morning break and afternoon break time, so he didn't have to the conversation. He's a really nice people, but you know if I give all of them. Twenty minutes a pop then he's an hour behind before. He even knows what's happened. In? I like this guy, said hastened TJ. I'm avoiding a friend right now. Her Birthday Party is Saturday evening. She's always been needy. She gave me a list of things she likes me to bring for. The party is if I'm the only person going to the party? I'm hoping runs past six. PM Saturday keeping anonymous. So! Does that mean she's counting on him to bring stuff and work runs past six km so this stuff he's bringing like. Cake balloons? Whatever just won't be there? Sounds like you give a person, a list of things to bring to your birthday party. It doesn't sound cool to me, But women are different that way. A lot of the birthday parties. They'll just I think they're just give out responsible. I hate you. Bring this during this because it's my birthday, okay? And you're. GonNa. Ask a guy to do that stuff. 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As much as I hate rats, if I had to have one as a pet I think the rat is less creepy than the hairless cat. Now get mad if you won't see, that's the thing. Animal extremists. are going to go crazy. Just by having an opinion that you don't like one or the other rat. People are going. Go Crazy. The rat lovers. Or the hairless cat lovers are going to go crazy. I think I'M GONNA go. I'm going to agree to you. I think I'm GONNA go rat. Because you keep it in a cage least. Stays away from it. Because creepy weird hairless cat, roaming around is not cool you my wake up and it's on the bed staring at years. We're like. FAT wrinkled forehead. Nobody wants to that. Reagan's pulled a picture up of a hairless cat in here, and it looks like his brains exposed. And I don't. which are you going with Reagan's? Hairless cat a rat. You'd rather have a right. Yeah, because they say they're good pets and they're smart and you know they. They're affectionate and stuff this. 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Robert Richardson

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Robert Richardson

"Prepare your is humans. Happy sad confused. Begins Today on happy second fused cinematographer Robert Richardson on his collaborations with Moines Scorsese <music> Oliver Stone and Quentin Tarantino. Hey guys Josh Horowitz. Welcome to another edition of happy sad confused. I'm Josh your you and and the guest today is Robert Richardson now. This is a big one. This is a big first for happy sad confused and as I say to Robert In this conversation I'm glad if anyone was going to be the first cinematographer director of photography that was going to be on the show it was him <hes> we've obviously talked to many many <hes> a great directors and writers a ton of actors but never a cinematographer which is obviously one of the most important jobs in creating a film and if you don't know the name Robert Richardson you've definitely definitely seen as films. He's one of the greats of all time he's won. Three Oscars nominated nine times and is most well known for his collaborations as I said with three significant filmmakers arguably through the most significant filmmakers in the history of movie making he he shot the last bunch of Quentin Tarantino films starting at Kill Bill. All the way up to once upon a time in Hollywood which were obviously promoting here today on the podcast. He's been a working with monster says he on films like <hes> Hugo and the aviator bringing out the dead and shutter island and he most notably early in his career career really came to the floor working with Oliver Stone in arguably I would say one of the great runs of any filmmakers career Oliver Oliver Stone who they started working together on Salvador and then I've taught my head through Wall Street Platoon J. F. K. Nixon in born on the fourth of July like these were like this was Oliver and Robert at the top of their games and and some of the most influential filmmaking for me as a teenager when I watch those movies so real a real honor and distinct pleasure to talk to Robert who is the film obviously a film buff film fan a master of his craft and and just a pleasure to talk to so oh you know this was this was a distinct honor. I'm of course embarrassed because I feel like I named. Check someone at that. What did I do. Oh Yeah we were talking about Oliver. Stone and I think I said that Oliver Stone uh-huh pattern of course that that wasn't that was those Francis Ford Coppola so Josh Film Geek messed up in front of one of his heroes. Oh my God guys anyway. Forgive forgive me for that one but other than that this was a great chat we talk about all of his major collaborations and some of the films that never were including Apropos. A lot of people always are talking superhero movies about the Batman film that Robert was going to shoot with Ben Affleck <hes> some really interesting insight into what that movie might have been <hes> aw that's fascinating anyway. That's the main event today. This of course is our second conversation about once upon a time in Hollywood which is now out in theaters. We had Quentin on the podcast just last week lots of great feedback on that one. Thank you guys and lots of great feedback. I should say also for <hes> the on camera MTV interview I did with Leonardo and Brad <hes> Pity Margot Robbie. That was a real a real honor and I'm thrilled that so many people have enjoyed watching that one if you haven't seen it yet check it out on M._T._v.. News is youtube a youtube page beyond that I haven't talked to you guys about COMECON. I'm a little bit late because we pre-tape Quenton one but I will just say I'm still alive after for COMECON and other year in the books exhausting insane I think I interviewed like I don't know what the final numbers were. I wrote it down somewhere. It was like twenty five different sets of people all I did the casts of every like Major T._v.. Show not a ton of movie presence. I will say at COMECON this year. I interview the cast of Terminator Interview the cast a black widow but beyond that and the cast a bit was there as well but beyond those three was not a huge movie year though I will say maybe my favorite trailer trailer drop top Gun Topgun. Maverick amazing can't wait so yeah it was. It was a great time at comecon all of our interviews us. Most of them really have been put up. I think they're still being put up on M._T._v.. News Youtube page. There's like a ton of stuff. They're an embarrassment of riches. If you WANNA watch me me asking a smart questions so the cast of your favorite T._v. shows and movies. It's all there so check it out. <hes> that will occupy you for a number of hours hours how it occupied for a number of days so the least you can do is watch it. Rego's right okay cool all right onto the main event this conversation with Robert Richardson. It's in don't worry no spoilers for once upon a time in Hollywood. If you haven't seen it yet you can listen to this. I just listened to a master of filmmaking talk about his craft and and some of the major films in his career and they're some of the major films of the last thirty years so this is a conversation while we're checking out if you're as much of a movie a fan as I am remember to review rain subscribe to happy say confused spread the good word and without any further do here's the great Robert Richardson. The Great Robert Richardson is in my offices distinct pleasure sir. Thank you for coming by today. It's my pleasure Tom. You're the first cinematographer on this podcast. I talked to many many many great directors and it's long overdue that I talked to a deep and the first one that was gonna be anybody it was going to be you because you're films have meant a lot to me around my life why so long to get to. I know there's never enough justice for the we'll. Maybe maybe now we'll start a trend congratulations on the new film collaboration with Quentin Tarantino Keno of course once upon a time in Hollywood. I should've paused dot dot in Hollywood which is what's so beautiful concluding colluding to film. Yes yes the pause will. Yes and we don't want to ruin the anybody but it does ball anyway. We'll get to the movie. Let's talk about you first first of all your life and career a little bit <hes> what do you how do you explain to people lay people what you do. I generally say I just same say what I just aim the camera. That's really what other people bring everything to. The front actors bring what they bring. They take a camera. I looked at the V._p.'s and I shoot yeah. Do you think generally speaking most people have thuggish idea of what a not a clue. If you go to the average person to know that film might take your shooting twelve to fourteen hours a day. You may shoot particularly like say this film twelve to fourteen hours a day. You're shooting one hundred days and you do three months or four months of prep to get prepared for it. No one has it's an idea that work in film that complex yeah so okay so when when you're growing up most most kids don't grow up <hes> presumably saying I want. I WANNA be a cinematographer. I WANNA be a DP. <hes> what was your awareness. Your knowledge of film as a kid was was filmed a big part of your household and when did you kind of learn what what a director would have on a DP did good question. I think that <hes> mckean's. I wanted to be a still photographer to shoot a lot where the camera I always had it in my hands. I was sent away to a private school because I wasn't the best of brothers and one of the brothers had to be separated. There's always one and I was chosen as a result got isolated so exposure to the world because I was sitting in the Middle New Hampshire in a private the school that didn't have access but what we did do is we were able to see they took us on a field trip two thousand one which is one of the first large experience of cinema that scene and godfather and those two absolutely shook it up now knowing that I want do I want to do this. How do I want to pursue film. I didn't know at that time at all. As a child of course had gone to any film that would come to a local theater as a kid. My mother would every birthday bring us Disney films like Dumbo or etc and she project on sixteen millimeter force at the birthday party so my life did start with those films than any film that I was appropriate. I would go to yeah but a love and as a future I didn't see it. <hes> went to University of Vermont little later on and decided decided I was going to study oceanography great choice for landlocked how on the list of potential career options that possibly the emerge well because they come from Cape Cod woods hole got somehow sorry okay. There's a little link but what happened. was I realized immediately. This is insane. Concept Landlocked Ocean graffiti you gotTa be you are so stupid only place. I could get into anyway. Nobody wanted me so I started. Take them courses and as I was taking some quarters of working with a friend and I started to watch Bergman films. That's when I knew this is where I wanna go just the level of artistry the level of craftsmanship the the the writing. Yeah Bergman with a very tight group created so many films films are stunningly brilliant and just lead me more into film in so I dropped out of all courses except for those that were involved with the theory or in any case if he had practical optical do practical so by the time you find this this new found love affair rekindled kind of expanded love affair your first jobs from what WanNa gather docks. I mean that was really where you made your bones before starting to collaborate with Oliver Oliver Stone <hes> was that happenstance or was that Serb where the work was was or I went to American film is out of A._F._i.. I ended up meeting a few people that various Chia who's very well known DP close-range other films like that and he was going to make a movie brought me on camera system instant. It was narrowed judgement on my part. I'm a terrible camera assistant but I was not well paid which of course made them want me more up. Even though my faults were large and it was Dennis Hopper and biggest Luna was director reborn. I did sort of fail on a lot of ways I got into a slight habit that don't really want to get into the cameras and because you're I started to go away. One of my Knossos wasn't working properly got it and I was in zone of sort of helping Dennis at the same time in the same zone. I'm putting it altogether okay and it was a low teased up and then this relationship happened with the producers girlfriend. Things weren't really properly. This is the Robert I wanNA talk to that. Guide back in the day. Dennis Hopper would live his life live. It should have been fired but one took me one day we sitting GonNa Pool and he said what he wanted to be a camera system the gaffer what I said I wanna be a DP said whether you need to stop everything you're doing just focus so shortly after that. I got a call from another friend that went to Tom. Richmond director of photography those and he said I was offered this film in El Salvador but I don't WanNa go. Would you be willing to meet the director which is Jeff Harmon. Jeff came to visit me because I said yes. I was paying the walls similar to the color your office pink. I asked him what he thought of that color. That was what sold mommy so yeah. I love this salmon so beautiful he said. Do you think you can do it if you go to war and that is absolutely where it started and I said yes and of course there were various stories about whether I succeeded or not but I stayed there in shot with the right wing because he's an American and we were shooting the right wing death squads et Cetera and the army and then the left one was is being shot by direct with a French crew. They ended up being the the French crew got chased out through Guatemala got caught and so I ended up shooting both sides of this this particular frontline piece that was the first doc really that and that documentary led to Salvador which means like if there's somebody meant to be shooting Salvador with Oliver Stone. You've just listed you. Have you have the only resume to do that at the time despite maybe your lack. Lack of experience you have the right experience and Oliver. I mean you know we'll get to your collaboration with Oliver in a significant way because you really were his main collaborator on like the great run of Ulverston. Fortunately I mean unbelievable but he wasn't much of anything at the time he he directed a film. The hand is won an Oskar Patton for you know well you have midnight. Express connects rather have scarface rush right so as being nobody director director. He hasn't hit yet hand and this was his first. It was the most fascinating meeting first meeting. Was He yeah who was he then because he's the sitting at a desk just like leather jacket tied up to the neck sweat you know he's a he's a large man. There was no air conditioning in the small little offices a tiny little office. It was no money in the movies what million dollars less than a million dollars something like that and I'm looking. I'm like Oh my God. He's sweating profusely web to take a leather jacket off all over now. I didn't really know him. At that point. He asked me one one simple question. Can you intercut a long lens with a wide Lens as a sure. Why not go next door and talk to the producers? See what do you can work out in terms of money and then I'll get back to see whether or not we make this movie. It was virtually like that. There was a few more questions but not a great deal a little bit talk about Salvador. What was it like to experience it who I shot with didn't yeah and that was the opportunity that really have lifetime and that led to platoon the tune was the next one which he goes into all of these in great detail obviously so skip around the platoon? I mean what among many things that strike like me. A platoon is like there's the shadow especially at that time I would think of apocalypse now over any war film was there was that was that a significant discussion pointing like how to differentiate FERENCI eight. How is this film going to look and feel different than again? You're looking at a budget is vastly different. I loved apocalypse now. I still love apocalypse and I've seen the film I can't even count the number. Sometimes I've seen the film as well as the Redux storrow is one of our greatest retirements in the business which you should've interviewed him just to say they just take the compliment that you're the first but I love love and it wasn't actually an element in our discussion because he wanted to run level will he wanted to be in the trenches not floating on the water or the sort of hallucinogenic approach. It was based on his own personal experiences right. You're in the shoes of that. You wanted to be on the ground and I don't think we could've Tanit any other way at that time in our career. When you look at Coppola he'd been making films for a number of years <hes> so he was at a different don't level in terms of his creativity and also he was truly climaxing in a massive way wife made basic documentary yeah but so no it wasn't a part of discussions the and then you go you go immediately into another other like a classic Wall Street which is like the now stands for like the quintessential document of the eighties? I grew up in New York. I was a kid at that time but like it does capture that I mean you have even like the iconic scene of the eighties which is Michael Douglas with the hardest phone ever on a beach walking congratulations. You've captured absurd. The eighties in one image basically right there greed is good creed is good. I mean those those the energy of those scenes of I think of like but Fox getting the call from Gecko and just the energy both on the thing and the constantly moving camera over shark like our intention on that was is to move that camera in the way shark with move just constantly circling until you hit the prey yeah never stopping trying never stop and that that was a pretty remarkable slip for me although platoon was emotionally more charged for me particularly that last month with Charlie as he goes off in the helicopter and his voice over comes up and and also the experience itself was monumental with Wall Street. I was a little bit separate separate New York that well. That's comes more from all obviously Oliver knows his world very well because that's where he grew by the was stockbroker. I believe yes it's a dedicated to him. Recall <hes> yeah and then just like moving through a couple of days I mean born the Fourth of July an amazing film <hes> the doors but I mean the the film that really I mean the reason you're here in many ways for me and the reason I do what I do in some ways is j._F._k.. I mean I saw J._F._k.. I think when I was like sixteen sixteen or seventeen and so I wasn't a kid but it was a next level experience walking out of that theater. I didn't know what I had just seen. It was just an assault on the senses. What was the what was that all the script was that in the conversations with with Alva- in terms of like using different film formats in terms of what the what the intent was to put an audience through on that one on that film because of Sa- bruder there's a brutal work work was the heart and so and since it was shot on eight millimeter we back out of that and that was the centerpiece and so then we decided okay this is GonNa be our for US eight or super eight world when you're trying to capture it and then we'll working from different perspectives that are may be imagined not seeing we would go into black and white and different levels or sixteen thirty five depending upon the grain structure we wanted to do it and how how much of a hypothesis right these imagined scenes perhaps or not of Oswald etc plot plotting etcetera totally and also a brilliant editor hand corwin and <hes> was involved in? Here's a close friend that time introduce them to Oliver. He's not listed as an editor on the movies ever additional editor but but he was very much responsible for that opening section with its and that if you look at that also oh not opening yeah is in fact and B. K. is zoo. Turn yes his movement and that's also how you can see us all starting to shift into. Let's utilize formats issues textures right also work with our Morris with that. You've been out of control slipping into the same zones trying to bring in Texas to us now natural killers yes so if like if if J._F._k.. Was Assault on the senses I don't even know what you say by natural born killers which was just like a next level and and an argument hasn't been matched in whatever you and Oliver we're going for since I know it was maybe the arguably the toughest shoot of your career for a number of reasons. Is that fair to say emotionally. It was an extremely difficult period of time. My wife was having our second child and Shit Shit Pre ECLAMPSIA and the child wanted to get out of the body which basically means the body and she went into a freeze out. Basically all units stopped kidney liver. We were doing midwife because we wanted to have a water birth or first child was water birth conscience and this is Maya and so she almost died in the process I prepare my oldest daughter was only three years old for the death of of her mother which was extremely complicated to to think about how you're going to do that with somebody so shot they allowed aww intensive care unit to bring our Baby Maya who was not much more than four and a half pounds and the nurse brought to the mother and I filmed and so that conscious when I went home and showed it to her would see their mother was alive and holding so it wasn't as if the mother had died right and she might forever hold her her sister responsible for the death well they both did survive which is a good side of this. I could go on with that story but it wasn't pretty but all the was at a party with his wife and at that time Elizabeth and Elizabeth's said had that <hes> you know in the hospital and she's intensive care she might pass away all were made some brotherly remark which was Elizabeth then told my wife which was bob won't have any problem getting another wife well now now. I don't know if that's true but what it did do is it did make it extremely difficult to make that film because then my wife said if you make that film I wanted to voice and I went on a Scott with all about that. I said I can't make the movie with you. Why didn't I told stories and he was divorcing his wife so I said I can't he goes? I can't have two divorces divorces at once and I I didn't want to give the film up short brothers or brothers that attitude is really. It's not what he didn't say that in a mean way to set it out of what we do when you're hanging out with friends and then falls and gets ground gets hurt you tend to giggle yeah. You know I mean I'm not telling about her terribly heartbreaking. They fall bruises. We laugh and I think that's all that was all it was more or less that element because we had a great relationship. We're very very close does that I mean we often talk about like directors like their wives being imprinted upon a film home. I'm curious like this is a broad question but also kind of a micro question for national one killer. It's like do you see yourself in that film for instance like you were going through some really dark stuff around that film is that reflected in the shot that film and certain things I asked already include certain things a drunk father which is my life and one of the most disturbing drunk fathers ever films Rodney Rodney Okay. There's a flashback to a dog and throws a dog also it was really out of my own light so when we talked about making the movie I asked for things we could include because I said let's try to make this movie in a way which hasn't been made before and and that included degreen screens yeah and then I went across the country shooting traveled material Israel off the back of a truck dead animals on the side of the road train mountains etc and a lot of those were utilized and then hankered myself and all they're all put together things we thought were the evils of the world whether it was the beating of seals and women wearing furs and this and that and this and that and so all those got placed in there and of course influenced my mysexy tremendously to make this movie my sleep patterns were horrible. <hes> I was up on edge. I broke a hand on one one scene <hes> because of the violence which had to hit the cell and one time shooting side angle on on Tommy Willie Jones as he's walking through the into the prison and I was side while Larry McCarthy was shooting steady cam from the front and I just happened to walk right into to sell a gate a prison gate and the camera lens cameras cut into my eye and I giant Golf Ball of blood and I'm looking at all over and he's like Okay Oh yeah I'm sure he loved it in a way Uh you put your all into that one. I mean I can see why you guys got along for for so long and so well and then what you were gathering u-turn but it's been some time now you haven't worked together and from what I gather there was a bit of a falling out related to you working with Marty Scorsese's on bringing out the debt I started offers film and we did test with puff. Daddy quarterback right right. I remember that yeah and that pretty late yeah and it didn't work out and so the film got postponed while I was looking for somebody else to play the role but you could be like the one person to confirm this very old rumor was because he couldn't throw a football it because it's football throwing wasn't a strong as you would anticipate. It should be a major quarterback for much diplomat. Okay Fair enough. I wanted to clear that up before we went further and uh so we we split ways he was upset. It uh-huh two weeks I think we hear those transits and then Bruce pulled out and did that film and that would have been nice for me to resurrect that relationship Killick was a producer on that so so nothing sense that was that was the close call result. We were talking about working together on a project traffic is it's element can't talk a lot about it but it's for J._F._k.. Around the original film you're saying this is going to be a documentary with interviews on new material has been found since that time wow okay I look forward to that Scorsese another key collaborator <hes> I guess the I collaboration was on Casino Casino. which is another classic <hes> so I mean you know who knows more about film Mardi Freddie or Tarantino? You've got two of the masters right there I would say Mardi knows more a right right. Gwen more be or genre specific. He's the Grind House. Asian cinema diarrhea and also Quinton knows everything yeah I mean quitting has a memory for lines. He's members. He was on the podcast last week and he came in then he remembered what we're ranked hateful eight on my top ten list but he's he's a savant and he can he will sit there. Unlike remar will be there and I go oh I remember that line and he'll throw out the line that he sat in Raby that remark can't even vaguely remember Kurt or anyways amazing in terms of memory of dialogue and scenes as well. It's not just he knows cinema. I think probably more than anybody that I've encountered so okay before we get to Quentin so what I mean you've worked with what Mardi like four four or five times. I want to say including Hugo the aviator even Oscars with them. Bring out the Ted. I love shelter island by the way I mean very simple question but like what is their way to characterize what makes him the next level like arguably the greatest filmmaker our time like well. It's difficult when you walk out of movies like first one I saw was mean street. That was a fundamental movie from me. In terms of the way I saw cinema today as changing and then you go to raging bull taxi driver. He carries that sensibility in all his work when he's not deeply involved seen it was very similar highly a devoted for example at a certain point. I've worked with all quite a bit so he and I got to where I would do the script and put as many shots down as that could yup and then he'd do his and I'd handle mine more likely than not. He wouldn't like my work but it was attempt to really get us to have a conversation short. I got it so I asked if I could do that with Mari Center through set of pages and producers said yes and I did send it off and then about two days later. I'm told I gotta come into the office. Mardi wants to talk to me and bobby. Fina was a producer at that point. She said to me Martin very upset Jason. What is Mardi upset about? He didn't appreciate the notes but Bob. You told me I could send them Mardian Tuna Phone Bob. I appreciate that you sent the notes. I have not looked at them. Nor will I ever look at them. I'm reading the script until I complete clete descript my satisfaction only at that point. Will I den go into Indivi- shops for it and when I do that I'll hand you a script that has every shot in the film which is exactly what happened so you so in the case of like Mardi. It sounds like it's more like your task is to execute to the utmost most ability his vision like he knows exactly what he wants and that must be hugely rewarding because he's a genius but Gwen but so so all Albert with a more collaborative collaborative right but again all in Quinton or extremely similar in the sense of both the writers and directors actress right others ridden most of material. He's collaborated with some people. Marty has written most material he generally collaborates a pulse from other people right and I think is offer Quinton. He makes an exception with Marty but in general his perspective is the only real director is a writer director right they own their material Israel Quinton visualize once upon a time for five years. He knows everything he wants. You're not going to there's no no not have an argument or discussion about how you learned in his eye. By by the time he gets a set he knows exactly and when it comes to set he brings all the shortlist. Mari provides it ahead of time he does a whole movie and then he sees a whole movie in this round but as Marty says I generally do this from the perspective of a studio so I might have have a camera that's thirty feet in the air twenty feet in the air and it goes down but then on location you find you're GONNA get nine feet up yeah and so he's willing to make shifts yes in the concepts but he still wants his skewed. Yeah and extraordinary specific about it is Hugo is probably the only early film you've ever shot in in three day and right. I don't think anyone shooting three D. anymore. It was going to say there was that time after avatar where like every buddy and a lot of it was post converted. Obviously what did he do. He did yes exactly and I think what was the one about Nick Nick that was shot in Three D. Okay the documentary about Nick. I'll remember that I'll get no worries chorus so but the point is that there were there was spate of suddenly felt like everyone is going to be three then it was like oh no everyone's just going to shitty post converted three. Was that a unique and amazing being challenge. I mean it was the right time. Yeah I would think and and it was phenomenal because you're dealing with a director shortly visual mind yeah and yet you neither one out of his head experience be able to anticipate what a change in I go or what are changing you know how strong you put your heart strongly dump push something and also also a color does and so we were devising shuts were phenomenal because you were looking at them on a three D. screen with your glasses all right now. What can I do to make that it better bright and do? I want that strong. Where the focus where do you want? How was it was? It was a magical experience. At the time I remember I was the only time I've ever and he was like suddenly all in and he was like I'm only to shoot things in three D.. Of course that hasn't happened since probably partially due to financial considerations et CETERA CETERA but it's easier to post yeah okay so the quantum collaboration. We've already alluded to a bit of this but it's begins on the kill bill film films. How do you consider one film schommer to fill you shot one film? I shot wound yeah you start one really big Phil and the did become too so do you have a favorite sequence that you saw it on that one I think of the finale of kill bill volume one which goes from black and white the crazy eight's that amazing and also in Japan right right. That's one of my favorite secrets is completely yeah. I mean you have to love that. I mean there's so many other parts of it that I love is well within the film but that was endless amounts of work as a love the fight outside in the snow. We gorgeous like yeah brilliantly told a phenomenal set. What also it goes from frenetic to just like very still an elegant yes which which is Kinda? What makes it work? I could do our own inglorious. which has I think four or five of the greatest scenes like ever opening opening sequence the the bar scene? Those are probably my favorites yeah so okay so again you kind of alluded to this in the script that you get from Quinton are shots described and determine shots are always listed an attitude towards it certainly very detailed in terms of what makes up the sequence what's in the props drops. What's in the production design? The Look Cetera yeah and then are pivotal shots that are listed and it could be varying like you know he wants to move from for kill Bill. Come down the hallway. He had that shot that was already there and so certain elements like that are are listed or hill you know for me when I was with him on on kill Bill. I didn't have that level of knowledge of that genre right now I was living on Cape Cod and I had my kids and my wife was away on a retreat a writing retreat and so I kept the kids out of school and we would just watch lady snow blood. I got these young kids okay. My wife would cause rate our school. It was fantastic very good tolerant learning learning next to me watching all quinton movie. It'd be like eighty one hundred films from Quinton and I just turn them on <hes>. We don't need to go to school. We should be doing this. No that's a school in its own right. How does he bring you on into the process? Does he bring you on like like once. The script is locked in the cast is or does he bring you into works in progress pretty well in the zone starting writing I was that was your first collaborate yeah but I guess by now. Does he like key win on like things prior to project or for example with with once once I was brought in five months out okay but to read not to be hired yet so I read the script and what's the purpose of that to get your take on it. Get your wants to let me know what we're shooting got. This is the film I'm GonNa make and in that particular case brought to the set I mean brought to his house and he was in the living room. I was in the kitch- dining room kitchen table table and he just watch me. The entire time is was it happened like having us. I've done it before but use it and put it in a back room. Oh my a girl this time it's like Quentin Tarantino watching you make notes and I'm laughing and he's just out of the corner XIV staring but he gets in can tell what I you know very well. You can see the twinkle or you know what I'm getting into something and I'm like got a smile on my face and he read me through the I said Quinn come on. What are you doing to me? Give me the end of the movie killing. Give you the end. There's no end when you give me the end ncis. No you'll get that later. You GotTa let me know is going to happen to the end. The ending was only served up in the production production office in a private room and it was pulled from the safe the last act only those are absolute those absolutely necessary to they know how to create for him. We're given the last act okay well. We're not going to reveal what happens but that's fascinating as you were describing Quentin watching you. I feel like nobody nobody and I appreciate this about him. Nobody enjoys Quentin Tarantino movies more than Quentin Tarantino. I'm not gonNA love them like he loves it. He loves film. Yeah the the reason that all I mean all over you know. Marty and Clinton are brilliant and also I work with John. Sales have a very similar approach to errol has a very similar it's because they are deeply in love with filmmaking and making the film they're making at that moment and that passion is contagious. That is the common denominator through most of the tough director demanding handing me certain things then director who doesn't demand me well that sums up your your collaborations. That's how he described. Ninety percent of the people you worked with people always go. Would you work with Tony Scott Tony Yeah why I don't have a fear of director. It's like yeah I'd love to work with Michael Man. You Know Paul Thomas the center of the I don't care how demanding somebody is find a way to work with venture. That's my job. The struck me in watching this. There's so much that I love. I love about this film in particular I mean it's a really it's a it's a letter to other things but you photograph movie stars really well. It's like a great movie star roles but especially Leo's great great but I feel like Brad is like INFO on movie star Mood in this film. I feel like you know when he's like up on the roof. He's taking off his shirt. You're Well I've worked with Brad three times and Leo Four my relationship with both of them is one of complete trust and respect for their work and and of course I love shooting I think does have the star power. I Leo has that same thing but in this particular case he played his role so well yeah because he's a man in a mid level zone and he plays it at that mid level and dropping yes and he's flailing. He's holding careers just just threads and that to me is is is vital but I also feel the movie is a movie is about you myself and anybody okay that's in a career and that career moves to certain level and then it just makes shifts and you have to have the intuition and the brilliance to be able to know how to pocket the ships are the passing by literally they're like yeah and he doesn't know what to make of it. He could have easily shifted into a very positive attitude towards Italian cinema. Yes he doesn't shift into that so easily and there's more about whereas you see brad floating. I don't see what's so bad about going. He's living living Zan lifestyle. He'll he'll be fine. I think that that approach is exactly what makes his his his character. The one that has that life. He's a good opposite yeah but the two of them together watching even just simply watching F._B._i.. Yeah did you did you love especially. I sent an AL's faces well. There's a life they earn yeah. I went back just recently. Did Panic Neill Park until you start to go through all this films I went into palm work with him. Which is I love that Khalid as well as amazing and shifted into another diploma prior that which she's obsession which isn't with him? I just decided because a lot of the cells were part of what what I did like. Obsession is more Zona world is going to look at Yep for war. I WANNA go back in time but I didn't want that much diffusion Nordic Quinn. We wanted something that was tighter. Actually it's a little closer to Carlito's way no because it's tighter and berm shutdowns Aikman shot the other yeah do you <hes> did anything so you know it's interesting because you you shoot the film you deliver all this amazing footage and then it's in the hands of the filmmaker and the editor and I don't know if you're involved you ever see you're not in the room ever ripe so you're at the premiere or early screening and you see the film how often just generally speaking I are. You excited happy with what you see or are you always like ask like like like often hear from an actor like Oh then it using the the take that I loved. I'm not quite that way with all road as we got a relationship relationship I'd be I'd see earlier cuts in the editing room on the screen he'd ask for some notes or if I had notes and you know generally very few because village in the process with Quinn I was invited to the editing room on a number of films to watch it on on a Steinbeck or whatever using the time or the Abbot and we would go that process and I would see it and then make notes or town what I thought and or we at a screening and he'd watched me. You know like I saw once he showed me once like the first hour and it was a complete ride and I was like Giddy and that and we were at the very Arianne goes we got a live one here. So many people have been working so long. They didn't have those initial responses because his brand new to me. I've seen it. I you try not to think about my work because in truth your work my work. I don't like my work so I've heard you say you. Don't go back and watch them ever. I don't like to go back and see of my films screening right that I'll sit and watch it but I prefer not to see my work. It's always something that I feel. I can do better do see you soon talks about the ten and done things is ninth do believe him. Do you think that he's only gonNA do one more. I hope I think he'll do one more film for sure. I think then they'll be theater right. I think there'll be a book. I wouldn't doubt that he writes for something like like Netflix something that might be ten long right because his mind is there. It's like as opposed to get locked down to a three hour movie or two and a half hour movie the why not tell the tale that's ten hours or fifteen hours long yeah. I think that's more place future. He was telling me and he has all these like he's a thousand ideas. Obviously he's like hands. llandough mysteries set in Nantucket of like I will watch ten hours of that net flicks done and kill bill three killed I mean he said he talked to the other week. I mean who knows what that will be exactly. Has He told you anything about Star Trek that I I kind of want to see that I wanna see the our version of Star Trek. I mean yeah. I like Chris Pine quite a bit sore so I'm sort of looking forward to seeing what he doesn't that. That'll be a shakeup. That could be fantastic. Absolutely it'll be a wakeup definitely much needed wake up call for that franchise. <hes> I love the last three. Yes is a particularly like the first one the first one is well because you you have is entering into. Yes you know he's being pulled into yes. I really love that aspect J._J.. Did well he's a talent ruined so so you consume a lot of film both old and new that you this is so what <hes> what inspires you nowadays what in recent years is inspired you. I'm inspired by so many films. I also love me. I'm good with virtually you can give me any zone any genre I can find a romantic manna comedy and cry five feet apart. I saw Oh yeah no I I cried and five feet apart. I thought acting was really nice between them and it was like false and stars like I can go to that. I love it. I mean shaleen unbelievable and then I worked with shading on addre- address in a private war I try to shift entirely entirely out of this sort of Zone that I'm in pretty much natural light and so I go I can go anywhere. You've never shot on digital. Have you quite a bit. You have well private war. Okay Adrift. Okay okay read any circus. Got It okay I. I guess I was thinking of the three the three biggies collaborators was Hugo digital by necessity and with all of our we never got acta digital yeah although we would be shooting digital. Now we're working together and Mardi shooting digital now and does it bother bother you at all. Are you as I don't i. I'm I'm very open. I find that the art about digital and film have their pluses and minuses a real great plus for film that you are required or to stop after ten minutes unless you're doing super thirty five or you're doing to Perth and you get longer periods of time but you can't just roll it. Yeah you could wear an actor out with digital. Go Out and get great thing but I liked that you have to stop and also but I do love digital for so many other reasons because you can grade they'd almost on the sad. If you have a greater yeah I love that aspect that I can create a better set of dailies for someone but in film you can do to because we're all going D. is right. I mean this film went. Die Whereas hateful was a complete chemical finish right which is very old school right. Do you okay so you mentioned is interesting. You mentioned Pink Pink Bill. That was one that got away. Is there any other project came that close that that got away that still nausea you that you almost had no no I always told the other day shooting Batman up and I heard food so I had to write matt and I have never met now no so I wrote Matt Matt. I said I woke this morning. Shooting your movie such a wish as you know told me. When did we start when they come out with a new one with Greg Greg tracers doing now we have and I wrote them again it? I can't believe I sent him. The hall came out and said this is unfair Matt. This is an emotional rollercoaster but I I don't. I don't know about that yet. No I wanted to shoot Batman with with them. Because that was next film doesn't live by night with him. Which I my door shooting you know was that was a great experience for me with Ben and I think highly underappreciated? That's a digital film. Those areas sixty five got it did you help are down the road on Ben's Batman. Did you get did you have scripted you. Re working on there. Were there was a script but not not a loved script. Dot there are a lot of a lot of work that he was doing to try and change it and then he made the decision to do. Is You know gone girl and right. So what were the reference points. I'm just curious like four what that the look of that film would have differentiated from previous Batman Films Well. He was going more into the insanity aspects so I think you would have seen something a little darker. We've seen the past and more into the Individual Watson's hoots inside Batman right what element may be saying what ELM and actually may not be saying so he it was entering into a little more of the Arkham. That's you know he's going into where you keep. Everyone who's bad everyone shifted and Batman so that whole aspect was was very fascinating yes to go to the darker side of Batman Comic Book Gig as You can imagine that we've never really seen Arkham asylum Thailand no and that's where we were going that would've been cool. It was like and you'd read it and go like Oh and who's ooh it's so I was very okay very interested in that yeah but it's Joe Manganiello who I guess was going to be death stroke. Who I think is going to be one of the key antagonise in that one what might have been what am I <hes>? Superhero film is still something that just like that would intrigue you. That's I would love to do. It's when what's being made now. Why not give try your hand at it? Yeah I mean I met with Tim Burton into Superman. Oh my God cage and I remember Sour them and I WANNA be interesting if if we can actually shoot him flying like drop them from an airplane so that you get the real movement of win on a face in a dive would be great. We're thinking about that. Of course you know. This is not going to let that happen happen. Just capturing that sense of flight. We make it happen Tom Cruise he's up for he'll do it. Yeah it would do it. Also I recently went to see John Well. I love John Work. Yeah I mean I saw the three of theater just recently. I was like a spiderman as well but so John Width three. I can't think you can kill more people think they've tapped out. They couldn't you get more people. I mean entire city hunting them down. I love it. I love kindle because he's got that face. It's like from Matrix on what's happening with him. He's really want those preserved in oil. I don't know what's happening. I talk to you for hours as I said long overdue and having a DP on this show but <hes> I'm so pleased it was you that was the I because you've you've meant a lot to my love film over the years and I'm so thrilled that you are continuing your collaboration with Quentin on this one. Once upon a time dot in Hollywood is the film everybody check it out. It's a beautiful piece of work that don't need to know about the third acts. Don't worry about the third act just watch the first two thirds and then be shocked and amazed but it's it's. It's actually just like a masterpiece it is it's one of his best and that's saying a lot yeah. I don't know how much more say except it's great and Tarantino Film and that's all we should now and have a little bit more laid back out to hang out film. It's not going to be a strong narrative running through as much as you're going to have to and you Choi or enjoy the process don't on search for the narrative as much as you would and live with these characters and luckily they're amazing together yeah phenomenal soundtrack from Cage Shea which is one of the few characters that we don't often talk about in the movie right is that that case Jake keeps you tireless within nineteen sixty-nine yeah because it plays non stop throughout the film so links every single character amazing. I'll see at least a few more times on the big screen. Thank you so much sure time today thanks for having and so ends another edition of happy sad confused. 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Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury Trilogy A GOFor Allegiant Stadiumon Dec. 19 In Las Vegas

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Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury Trilogy A GOFor Allegiant Stadiumon Dec. 19 In Las Vegas

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But after yesterday's football game with seventeen thousand Kansas City it looks like good old Bob Baram has talked to whoever needs to talk to in Las Vegas and got things going. It's looking like all signs of Gopher, the allegiance stadium on December nineteenth in Las. Vegas. The ONTA-. Wild Versus Tyson fury the Trilogy Gentlemen. What's up? Are you happy with US News. Yet of course, it's awesome. Fair. Very much. Joe Did listen I. Know You don't Watch football but did you happen to see any like pictures or anything like that? Not like seventeen thousand people to meet like the way they spread them out and that's what I'm saying like we could probably fit more. Maybe because we to read. You. Yes shutout to my running back Clyde Hilaire Edwards. Got Me Twenty points in my fantasy Listen if you look at the landscape of it, right? There were sprout. Really Nice. But think about it. That was a football field. Okay. Hundred yards, right. Ring Bro. They could probably for like twenty five, thirty thousand people in in a football in a football stadium only going for sixteen were Bob ones, right? That's. Just saying like the it's like they could like. Do. That I didn't like about doing like arenas at first was because I felt like the price scene was going to be crazy right like the average joe that watches boxing isn't going to be able to go the tickets are going to be crazy. But if you do it like the way that they did with the football, they spread it out. It could be I mean they could just have regular tickets I mean they should be cheaper because nobody sit ringside right? But? You still have floor seats out just want go I. Just WanNa be there I just loved the atmosphere you fill me and as as. It. Was Calm Play a separate. Maybe, we could get a border wars in Legion stadium deontay wilder, Tyson fury number, three. If you're in Spanish. Fuel. Is Right. He's right. If you he's right Yo but yeah, this is a big one man this is this is all the mobile's. Bragging is are doing it. Honestly, I'm glad they're doing it but more than that. I'm glad there's going to be people in attendance. Here's the thing. Okay. We already had glove gate. We already had all this imagine if they had a fight behind closed doors and the fuck are among. The. craziness that would you know ensue about Oh man that was a deontay wilder robot or all match Fury Oh yeah. You didn't hear that were beaten in with chains before the thing like you know what I mean. I'm just making it up but like. If you have. What? Type. Away. Were watching a was watching the shades of gray yesterday I was like just in the background but anyway. Any. Way To has that you were watching fifty shades of grey with two girls. And it she was watching it. I was on the show you were. Watching subconsciously obviously you watch oh. Yeah. Obviously. Yes. Obviously then subconsciously you put pictures of. Naked Fury. Get though like Bro like that's that's where I was going with that at all I was just saying. The fucker tree that could happen behind closed doors right is very Telling. Okay. To have media. That's why really we gotta have media in these places we gotta have people that document these events. You know the reason why people right but but that's just that's just seating. That's not including the you know the personnel, the bubble people. Going to call them the bubble people like. It's I don't know I mean they probably going to have a sixteen thousand capacity for everybody but I don't think the bubble should be included as just my opinion they're going to be often away. As you can see, if you're watching US ON YOUTUBE DOT COM forward, slash the box voice which you should be subscribed. Or you are a D. and if you not go ahead and subscribe, so you're not a D- that being said. It's very space style. And you know whatever workers and stuff you know a lot of people being the truck. It's a football stadium. So there's booths. Box seats where they can control things electronically from and set up you know whatever? Instant replay locations and stuff like that. Just little. Spots within this huge stadium to stay within the realm of that capacity. And not get past the limit. I think they have so much space. Yeah. I'm just glad it's happening. I'm happy football went ahead and. Whatever they did to to to entice bob you know. Bob. If you want to read the quotes from ESPN. He he said he's talked to everybody needs to talk to in Vegas and it's looking like this is a go. Listen I'll be real with you for a second I. I'm happy and I don't WanNa, look a gift horse in the mouth at the same time. It does Kinda show you the uneven nature of sports in America and really like the whole political landscape like every anytime de Dana why or you know a Vince McMahon or Bob Arum or whoever came out to say like suggests something or or talk about something like it was immediately shut down like everybody's ignored it's the safety which I understood moving forward as we got into May and June and July do the writing was on the wall do me like if you watch Max Kellerman show or I take or whatever like you could see people were like They gotta do it safe. You know they got to do but I don't really want to miss football though. They let people in and it was like, Whoa, that's weird like how the narrative all of a sudden change when he got to football and I understand that's a gain that's played very far away from the fans. So yes, there's an understanding there but to a degree I just feel like you know it it's obvious. They're the the the. The power of the NFL I guess is what I'm trying to get to is on full display during yes and look, and there's a lot less fans the that I'm I mean look the last fight look I'll just take the quote would Baburin said on ESPN. So that's what we're moving ahead on on all fronts with the security with the virus and everything I said we're talking with everybody here in town with the raiders. So we're optimistic that will be able to do the event in Nevada in Las Vegas. Man and he said he is hopeful there will be a crowd of between ten thousand and fifteen thousand for this. Bow At the Las Vegas Raiders New Arena. The second fight between while they're in fury had an attendance of seventeen, thousand, six, hundred and ninety on February twenty-second I can't believe. There's raiders. Sunday at twelve pm so it'll be interesting to see what it looks like. With the crowd and how many they have in attendance because why would bob come in at a lesser number than football? Yeah that that to me is very strange that to me is very, very strange because like I said, that's a ring like you can set up bleachers or designated areas for seeding and you could feel more fill more people in the arena. You know what I'm saying like football's played in the huge like they only have the stadium seating around the football field you're the the the stadium seating is the only thing you can have football. Why is he? What what is? Hopeful that he's hopeful you know you know I think he's just still toeing the line. You know like this is still a very, very touchy subject. There are people that have been ripping the NFL apart for the last three months specifically last night I mean shitting on them like this is why we're going to have an outbreak. This is gonNA lead disaster like there's still a lot of people but that's my point is those voices are being kept very, very quiet like that is. Not mainstream media as much. You know mainstream media is kind of moved on with football and why because a lot of these owners you know the owners of these teams they're the people are friends with the people that own the stations you know what I mean. All these people were like major media full shit first of all corporate media but you know they're all protecting. The bottom line is just the proof NFL has so much power based on you know how much money generate We got a super chat from Julio. Belie IOS says say automated La. Chuck Guy Windows Diaz family can't wait for this fight. I guess We'll get back to that translation. Real quick pick supermax says the Las Vegas Raiders are not allowing fans though. I don't understand that I thought that that's what they were just saying that I thought they were allowing fans. Well this is the allegiant right the allegiance stadium. This is the one in Nevada right? Yeah. The one they bill. So the the stadium you were talking about his Texas right Oh. Yeah it is closed for twenty twenty. Wow. I could've sworn that they were on the lists. Because Kansas City have fans in attendance but. Yeah, it looks like the raiders will open their new stadium without fans team announced. Monday. Wow. if it doesn't have anything to do with my fantasy team, I don't really pay attention Let's see. There's nothing more important blah? Blah. Yeah it looks. In fact. It looks like they're gonNA. Yeah it looks like they're going to go the whole season without it. The whole twenty twenty you know what? It is Oh shit I didn't realize they were on a row they're on the road this weekend. That's what it is. That's why I was looking and they were talking about fans in attendance for the game. But where's that game who they playing Carolina Oh maybe Carolina's having fans in attendance I don't know. That's weird and you don't strange about that. Is that Vegas is one of the places that early on remember the governor opened up the the the hotels and the. And the casinos and Shit and she was like I don't give a shit like she took a firm stance like I'm doing what I'm doing back off and people were like catching Kovic Shit. But you know Mark Davis the owner of the raiders I guess says that fans aren't able to attend home. Games. And he wouldn't go either well at least he's. Consistent. Still, like it has nothing to do with this point, you know what I mean like. That's the raiders making a decision. To not have fans in attendance, but it doesn't mean you can't like let's say look I've watched probably about four or five things this week that had fans in attendance I saw a wrestling event fans in attendance I. Saw a rugby match fans in attendance I saw, and this is all on American ground I saw the game obviously last night with fans in attendance and I know there's one more thing for sure but I can't remember but slowly but surely they're letting fans and they're just spreading them out. You know this isn't a magic virus like it's doesn't go out and get you like if you stay within the precautions like you're good. Nine not. Maybe, they could be the first ones before you know they start letting people into the football games. You know boxing you know be the wants to to break into that you know having people in attendance. I really would like to see people in attendance men and they have the space to do it. You know. So it's it's just a matter of what whatever you know. I guess you what you're saying politically to with within the state. It's got. It's got a matter because that's ultimately where where you're getting the go from you know at the federal level. So if if if they're giving them a pass you know at the federal level I think that you know if the team choosing not to do that individually, you know for their fans of what that they're you know they have something against having people there They think that this is bad. That's up to them I guess but who knows man Sorrow. Fellas we got look. South Ahmadiyya. He's scheduled at nine thirty waking up early. West Coast time shout out to the champ. He's in another tough fight. It's not listed on box wreck and obviously I forgot who got told me. But wait till we find out you'll see it's like well yeah. You said you were GONNA. Tell us you never told us I thought I told Ya I did tell you I just don't remember. Actually. Joe Guy Works in such mysterious ways I'm out on Morning Kid Ethan. Let me just show you I'm. I'm on Ethan Bands Instagram. share screen. Why is now working? What's gone on here? I mean how the hell did. Do me guess that I know freaky he's a Weirdo. What's going on here was not Let me see my lock to what's up. He blocked you. All. Okay. So maybe I gotta go this was go where Shannon net you. I. Haven't. I haven't really bothering people. So this is ethan bands page and this is who Lucas fighting. Paul? Crowe. I told Ya now remember I told Ya. Which is name Paul Scholes Sounds familiar but. You're sharing it on. Youtube. I'm sure. I'm waiting for you to. Come up I'll tell you I. Remember is thirty minutes from Philly told you. He could fight I can't believe I forgot this is a good ass fight y'all. My dog is tripping because I've got some workers in the house and she's like. Always, wants to be somebody's friend. Dog always wants to bite somebody's ankle. So you're lucky. Know, what I don't remember, but I do remember you saying something. y'All got that neck. Super Chaffs my man, Super Maxon. Yeah Super. I was trying to translate what Hulu has sick. Say I'm a Chaka Machakos like beef and pork I don't know but I guess he says, let the beef commence. No, we didn't get that second one. Did We? Now from supermax. They got a second one. No Way boxing gets fan in there before the raiders do that raiders fan base is super hard court and that would cause to much problems for the NFL I. Now not if they looking at it like let's use these boxing fans as guinea pigs, test subjects when I was talking about, let's see We're like the Beta program. To see how it goes but. We're like the I. Lucas is going to be on the show you know or or I gotta do that. Again need some today. What did you say I need to share the Lucas is going to be on the show like I, do every morning on Youtube. All right. Now you excuse me You, know they get mad if you don't hang on so you but somebody in the last week one of the guests we had people's coming in. Yeah why you ain't shit. So and I'm like Oh we do show star till such time to your show I bet I could guess who that I'm not going to do it on air but I bet I could guess that was you. Somebody hit me up right now. So yell he fighting Paul Crowd Philly two minutes ago. Listed on a a side. You should be y'all he coming down from fifty four. Oh, my goodness 'cause crawl used to fight a welts away. Let me see one the last fight. He had a fifty four. I'm telling you Meluka your while Luke be so ballsy man. They wild embrace but-but-but crony seven and Noah eat on get that many fights. You know he's like a club fight a local fighter. He's been on. TV A few times, but it's only seven fights. He already four. Let's see. Sanad bunch that's a good win. Let's see I guess that's the biggest win right Who is it because I have? Bunch he's a, he's he's a heavily touted prospect. You know I mean I know Moss. So rivers to. You know he's from Philadelphia area. But that's just like. You know get that get that in. Six Cao's man and he he he is heavier the let's see. Let's see. Somebody is. And what he's always been because Damn Santamaria this dude is big Bro. This dude is dead. Somebody always been well, yeah. He's always been around way. Okay. Okay. So good they both of them are in the same way. So they're going to be probably fighting that welts away. This is okay. This is you spell the other fighters name. Crow. K. Are all. We got some super charities super charities. Miami is e weight is. The return were building spot with slightly over one billion dollars completed at the height of see nineteen. Eventually, they're putting butts in seats also live and three. Don't forget. Call Them Pool Evan three wow. A lot of people WANNA say that the Anthony Joshua, upset now I wonder if that's the Andy. Andy Demon living in people's mom or. Bad. Billion White by had a lot of people that wanted to believe that he was trashed and then he got knocked down like man I should've said that or should I bet that? Got Them with the buyer's remorse or whatever. They wished they would've called the before some people say that was I I read somewhere bail you talking about it like Oh man I heard that can scream when after the after he hit him with the punch like he knew it was it was a fluke like I'm like look at how we got a super chat from. The. Mastermind just shot out to you chant always like he could. He participated in the pre pro. He chooses the support live on air and he says Jerry Jones, will let them in just justice. No stay. Oh. I thought Jay. State tax. That's that's man he's not lying. Real. Here. But. You gotta be honest the last big fight. In, Texas was early Mikey and before that maybe child as Andy Li like Texas don't get big fights got free state tax man. Chavez. Yeah. Probably was was like, what's the biggest Texas get like Cannella Liam Smith get the hell out because it's very the listen I remember getting like A. Quick, little lesson for promoter one time about why like what kind of fights Texas you have to have in Texas right and and it's just one of those things that it has to fit the bill. You know what? I mean it has to fit the perogative of Texas and usually it has to do with Hispanic fighters Mexican mostly you know but I think anyone. With a Latin name. At this point you know in Texas will do pretty decent numbers It just depends how they sell. It depends what kind of fight it is this kind of a heavyweight clash with the onset law. He'll know that fight would do good at Texas saying wasn't barking on Margarito in Texas was I guess that was a big five bag then It was packed was. He was. He was Delahoya whether he was the king now but it does. Say Remember. He was moving up to fifty four for that fight. So. Fast. I mean, it was a shit opponent really if you think about it but in all honesty like you know, PAC man he was he was like that dominant Eisai, he didn't really need that big a b side. But I think but I think I was he takes hockey out. was in Texas. Too. I mean this relief back y'all a damn. Who did he fight? the one that'd be Koto. I, should it be cool. Dan. I'll be looking. But. I, think I think Margarita was coming off the Koto when when he fought back out. Because he was coming off the Moseley loss actually. Really, sure he will. Here's the thing if I remember correctly which. You know I do use cannabis He was like not thought as to be like a great opponent because he was coming off the loss people were saying he was a cheater. Like. Like if you think about Margarito in the Khotan like that would have been a huge beside huge beside you know what I mean and he might have even been side if you think about it. But in Texas, at least but no people should on that fight people should it on that fight? You know at least the people in the know. You were saying Koto Texas. Knows Pack Y'all. Margarito. Margarito book but who did he fight before Margarito dooms? Let me that was in Texas as well. So if you're a Patriot head on over the Patriot Dot Com and you can acts Lottie. Cloudy cloudy can asks Luke Santamaria, which is not a big fight Luke sometime a question word. Word curb is that he's facing this man from Philadelphia Paul Crowe I I know crow well. He's in the gym with good guys he spars with Ns. he's from Net Philadelphia. undefeated seven wins seven Cao's. And scheduled. It's coming up bro let me check my Texas Bro and I'll give you all I should have did that burn a and I would have known who he was fighting. Seven and no six Cao's. Home. Goods and he'll be facing. Luke Santamaria. Fresh off his win against Mika. Fox. Lots Yeah Fox Blanca why everybody gotta try to make a French Mikhail? Michael. I mean is spell not like you're used to seeing Michael Scout. You look at it. You WanNa give it the extra possess they wanted to get creative champs. So something. y'All I'm just saying like you can't hate when somebody tried to be like how we are like, oh, we are less than a month out from Luke Santamaria yet again, stepping into that th- wei-go. Third in Los Angeles versus Paul Crow On. Fox. Sports one. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it when he takes me, I was like what the Hell I said. Let's schedule. That's a big fight I know to Ya at ain't not. Yeah. You two yard maybe some people that don't know Paul Crow but I think that for Luke come on manages to with Fox and now Fox Inc. Kroll know each other they probably spot. Go on on Fox's Instagram we're GonNa see pictures of Crow. Go on instagram. You'RE GONNA. See Pictures of crow like you know it's like. Well, I'm telling you this is this is here. I. Just hope it plays out that way what what was your thoughts on on the Michael Fox and Luca if I did it did it did it play out well? Yeah I. Mean it was a tough fight. I always You know I was very concerned because of the disadvantage he had in the high end and the reach. But you know with the ended up fighting on the inside and you know sent the money I was just you know getting the better shots on the inside I think that you know Paul is GonNa. Be Real Slick that philly style. So, something that is going to have to you know be careful not trying to go in in into head on. a guy like CROC. Capitalize and stuff like that. But I'm pretty sure cup at the you know they they know what they're doing. So you know is that the media didn't looked like he was one dimensional. I think it's going to be a good fight. It is surprising to see him back to back like that though. Yeah. Little. Bit Little Bit You know but but but when you're Asami tight, you have to you, you're like a fireman, you know me you've got to go to the fire every time until they're ready to say, okay we're going to put some bank behind this kid you know we're going to like he's going to have to be in these kind of fights and he's going to have to win them. You know every time out. So I understand why they're doing that. You know I it would be different. If. He was like a top ranked Darlene you know or like a like a highly touted PBC prospect or you know what I mean but this is a kid that joe he fights. You know he fights he knows how to fight. He fights well, you know and and you know some kids just don't get that backing right away and they have to earn it the hard way and these are the people that we respect the longest you know if you think about the history of boxing. You know. So it was like. You see like the NS is of the world right you expect them to do this. But it how exciting is that when you come across lake sometime idea who you know nobody knows nobody expects and then he comes out and he does these things You know it's it's super impressive. I can't wait Sam fight man I I loved watching the fight the first I. I didn't pick him or no. I did pick him in that first night with Fox You know because he was kind of like a second cousin of the show will call it that And so you know I'm looking forward to see what hard was that on. Did you say? October Third Fox sports one I added onto the hopefully join us. That's A. UNDERCARD Konate event that that information I wasn't given because you know they don't care about who they just like. You know. Get Bro- Broken out to like you know Oh. Yeah Right. Pushing and really he's not like he's not like like, why do you are you were I mean yeah I guess this is good. To. Say Yeah I'm on. Earl spends. Garcia. On like that but but at the end of the day is more about. Who you fight and staying focused on the task at hand and I think that's a couple of your. 'cause didn't he didn't give me any of that information like who's Carter was he just as like Yo, you know we back and we're going to be fine. Paul Chrome like, Whoa that's a big fight. Let's schedule moved. BBC She doesn't even have an official like they have a date for October third in Los Angeles on Fox sports one, but they don't have. This is this is all under the scenes. This was on. The box right guy. You know you get breaking news here we ain't Michael Carpenter but you know every now and then something like this can happen. So looks like super looks like Sony with the Supachai via cash APP, saving us that thirty percent says DUMI versus roughhouse question. Who did you decide on long because Mario? What are what are you doing going on brothers Cachet? He wanted a battle me because he wants to get the title. He didn't do it. So yes, me cash. Battling Of Rough this house of roughness than. Trilogy with J. P., because that's been tight. Wins. API. Breath you could be like the Marquez Pacquiao, of border, board, Imagine. Fights and then thinking. On a phone you you know you blankets let. And you get slept I think I'd go up against roughhouse. And and solidified Matata show now I. I don't like that fight just because roughhouse is e. c. p.. And? Why does he got to go through you to get his shot like you haven't gotten your shot I don't want the I don't like that they're trying to eliminate two of my guys at the time. My Own Stone de. You want to eliminate my guys who at the top within go ahead and bring somebody from the other side of the street but you saying know. PBC. Versus. PBC they don't want to send across Joe is all PBC versus. That's what he's trying to do. But whatever man? What are we going? We have to talk air champion made a good point I mean you gotta gotTa keep stop sleeping though because you running out of time. Now. We'll. We'll have the answer by by the end of the program I. Guess. Michael Beaufort says nest who was that lady? You interviewed last show laugh Emoji The lady I interviewed last show must've been Melissa. That's the only. Number? Last show the only female I don't think we had any other females on recently. And think of any anybody else. Melissa was a fun interview though. Dead. Said, will be careful. They'll do you like white way too long for that Titus Sean. Exactly. I need that title shot chance. Wasn't there a second topic we had. Thing. That's exactly the thing fight in roughhouse is like an PEVEC in when you already the mandatory like what are you got the prove why do you gotta keep going in tough when it ain't your fault Mario keep losing. So. No, I'm just saying I got. Both. But I gotTA defend. Bo. For Ya and it's like, oh. Oh, Mario's losing. So dooming deserves the keep fighting the top five the. I, I volunteered to step aside. Let them fight. Volunteer to take house it's not my fault. A cash didn't WANNA. Do it I know you did I'm just I'm just I'm just making sure do me is just an all the information properly and understands it's like you know you could be putting jp ECP. Yeah. Everybody's C PM. Saz like. This one it's nest wants to make sure that the lined up right. But if you on knock each other off than one y'all got a bill backup. Right I. I just don't get why gotta put both thoroughbreds in against each other when they both at the top one is third. One is mandatory. Let's kill both their dreams. No. that. That's not how promotion works. If it worked that way Valdez would've fought Chicago already he wouldn't have vacated his BELLSA coca fight for the vacant title. You know what saying if if that's if that's the way boxing word, but it's not like. Yeah, you could cash in the UK. Dallas Ness GTO y'all. So I I mean a couple of definitely see my message. He liked me he got he got the read receipts. So he seeing it and Luke is let me see I sent him the link but they on west coast time any probably just seeing it I should brush the grill. So is only six thirty seven out their out to them if they do make it for you know dealing with our schedule, right? I mean look. I. I apologize because I understand. But you know the breakfast club doesn't apologize they make you wake up with no matter what coast you won't. You won't Charlemagne. Guy, you'd better get up on saying. As that but yeah, man. I like. that. Those. Funny. But yeah, you know what's up with this breaking the silence staying that's being. You, know. Manhattan. Sect Wilder I think. Oh actually titling from world box news if you go to the Article Shelly Finkel doesn't say anything about while the breaking his silence. He says it when the time is right while the will come out and. Discuss the trilogy that he didn't even say discuss any of the stuff that came up in fact Shelly said the stuff that has been servicing is not even worth discussing. So it's like Yo- people say whatever. So they could get clicks so they could get clicks like I've literally seen headlines with our interview with Gary, where we're Gary said on our interview I mean I don't know if he said it multiple times because you know people repeat themselves be set on our interview that day. Excited about floyd training he like oil hopefully trains his low aso whatever about Devon, I've seen that line gets twisted. So many different ways that I it's like. Intriguing just to go back and listen to it in its. Entirety and its original form to see. How? y'All brother Click Bay do. Yo they are just put in whatever they want in titles. I can imagine and that's what this break. That's what this break silences I I don't see. I. Mean. Literally the author wrote that himself like where do you get the words? WHOA. We had duly going on a soundboard went on bear soundboard marathon. No but damn. It even took off of what necessary Jeez. He was saying that the author is the one that came up with the whole break the silence. Alright. But. He did say something and he said that he wanted revenge right? I didn't know guess how is that breaking silence? WHO doesn't want revenge from a loss man come on? Is that people are thirsty and they know since he hasn't spoken anything that remotely sounds like he spoke. You. Know people literally take his instagram post and while the finally breaks silence sends a message to white in. Russia. In Russia and it's like really like he broke his silence or he posted on his I G. In enemy. But I get. It. Man You gotta you did this show too. I did not put he breaks his silence or finally. or any weirdness like that I doubt you did say he or no you didn't put that title but you you were saying that that was to dillion white right? Obviously. Won't see. That's the thing I don't know who was obvious like to me. Obvious is like I could show a person with knowledge of it and they'd be like Oh. Yeah. You that's floyd mayweather talking to Manny Pacquiao okay. Cool. You know but to me like Alan Obvious. But yeah I I mean, I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm just saying that it's not obvious. Your fucking sent the link to the wrong with Theo. Off. Call. Her. Though maybe hit you with A. Nice. Tip below I'm excited though bro Man if this can happen in December but honestly like. Is it happening in December to get pushed. In 'cause Finkel sounded like it was you know it was a go. So I think it happens happens for one simple reason Tyson fury wants to do it in Deontay wilder wants to do it well I. Guess that's two reasons but I think both these guys want to fight. You know what I mean like they don't want to stay out you know with mayweather when he was fighting, he would take these long sabbaticals in these retirements. And at the time I was young I just I was just mad I'm like Dan, the best boxers walking away from the sport this is bullshit now realizing it you know you fall out of love with. Shit like that. Sometimes, you know what I mean and and you gotta find it again I think both these guys really WANNA fight. So I think it really does happen like these guys WanNa, make that money I'm talking about Bob and everybody involved in the background you know they WanNa make money so I think it does happen. Honestly. No definitely happening why why wouldn't give me the cons as to why this isn't happening What's going? On what's up? I sent George the link by mistake I'm sorry but so lucas is running. Yeah, man. On the Beach Oh. Okay. So he's running in Sam. Yeah we run run a we always have a system running round mountain. Rerun mountain altitude than we each and then. Running around. listen man I guess. Have you tell us? About this fight like why another tough fight Listening to you guys earlier and I agree with a With. Mario. Sorry Mario You Mike. Positives second. Yeah with Mario I mean. You know we're at a point where we got it. We we take risk and like you said, the kid knows how to fight what you know that something that's He's always talked of always wanting to be a champion the world, and if you want to one day, get to that point, you know you, gotTa. You gotTA fight whatever's in front of you take take those those you know those barriers out and get to the top and you know now you have a Lotta Eisai's losing why 'cause they baby a lot they take care of them they build a record no they they make him like a balloon inflate them. Then when they get a kid that could fight exposes them. So. If I didn't know Luke or how hard dedicated that kid is I wouldn't take these risks. I'm probably be one of those guys to way. You know what? Right now let's go this way and I'm sure there's fighters does that I won't put. You know. With all respect while his opponent, but it's also a game of seen. You know you take a little risk yeah. You take some risks but you're also seeing the. What you have as far as your fighter, you know what your could do with. Michael Fox. They saw a guy that had go in and and had a short distance fighting day inside I mean the kid was six four. And the left handed. So his Jabil, so long. With this kid he's more his height. So you'll see differently that no one really ever seen. And I know my I knew Paul. Follow. Grow I know crow could switch a lefty and writing Solos Luke you know her Luca fight. I left hander as she does a right. So. You know that's that's Kinda. Best. The reason I took that chance have you just turn your phone Siwei? So we get that that landscape view. and. Really. Think. Sorry breaking up a little bit. Bigger disconnect. Disconnect the headphones it sounds like you disconnected to have. Okay they're. Only So. Weird. He got. Trucks S. So. What I was GONNA say now. I mean look. So what do you think like? Where does the Paul Crow Take you because? I know he's a tough guy. Philadelphia knows he's a tough guy. Thomas, Lamonica Doron, and his welterweight maybe Danny has been spoiled with him, but he's probably been on TV one time so like. What? I lost I just got to the point where he said he's a Philly nauseam party sparked Danny Garcia but I can't hear. Oh, they're they're the voice. Is Breaking it in and out. I'm. GonNa. Try to walk a little more years I. Don't happen maybe you need to. There we go. All, right? Maybe. No. No. No, it's better their own because of the the highway picks up the back or something but anyway. It's because you were front facing the camera. I mean the microphone was picking up the audio facing forward. So you got to keep your back to the street. or I'll do that but it was just muting like I couldn't hear he was talking on Sunday just mute. But that goes up and I heard that he's far Danny, you. A yeah. No I definitely feel. Great boxers it's not about him sparring Danny. It's more about where do you think despite takes Suntan? Because it's a tough fight, would a guy that isn't really commercially known like the hardcore snow in Philadelphia knows them. But does anyone in La no Paul Crow and how much credit are you really going to get for going tough again like What are they telling? You was next or could be next like why are you guys just keep taking tough fight off the tough I is there a plan? Absolutely always a pen I mean after this fight exactly what you're saying that when you sit down and talk to them yes you know and tell me you know now I have negotiating either you put me with all kinds of different styles. We always came on the B side this is not the third fighter from PVC, means that we come into. Back in when Luke just turned eighteen, we fought Timothy Lee a three and our Heyman prospect, and we beat him in Costa Mesa, the Orange Hanger. So it's the fourth. This'll be disappointed. This would be the fifth fight that we go through 'cause Marquees Taylor. Than it was Willie Jones and the and Willie Jones was I believe with alliance promotions which is the Charles Brothers and we went all the weather to Houston in you know we need them they're. Now we took. Michael. Fox in it was it was a two week to two weeks switch we supposed to. Leave on Nevada who got knocked out in the first round we're supposed to fight Hindi, pulled out. Then we're GONNA fight a Canadian kid. And then he's supposedly got sick. A. In pulled out in depth when they do Fox in and we said Hey, we'll take it. A, Lukman Trent, we turn in the gym for style. You know left handed right handed tall short because as a fighter you know you don't know that as a up and coming fighter you're never going have a set. opponent you know unless you're a champion of the world and they tell you ahead of time and you plan really good when you're up and coming. You gotTa to be ready for whatever comes and in dozen mentality telling my guys you know don't expect to get an easy fight or or something more. You're GONNA have is vital kisa world title free. You have that mentality would him it gives me that if we fight this kid. And we do you know we willing we win. Always put out I of course but. We're GONNA definitely have now are negotiating chips on the table you know what? What's up you know come on man you know you four-time send us against an A. B. Side and what else you want us approve you got you got you guys are supporting guys. That are losing on the a side. But discount that's proving himself fighting taking any find never says, no, we always say yeah. And you're not GonNa get something is that what you mean when you when you mentioned barriers getting barriers out of the way a strike. You know when this is Stephan gotta take to get to you know you gotta listen dragons to get you the Francis. And we've seen this before like this is not the first time we've seen a fighter do this kind of thing, and this is exactly what you get from. Paul, you get the bargaining chips, you get more bargaining chip on your side of the table to go back next and say look we took this style beat them. You had this kid beat them that pedigree beat him. And it's the more and more you're able to do that like we've seen that look at collared looking exactly what caller did, what did he get like? Who? Who did he beat that anybody knows but now he was the a side and now they're starting to promote them, and now they're starting to to use them. So this is exactly what Lucas gets from a fight like this. Is there is there were there any other options? No, actually, no I mean that's the way it was funny. 'cause I sent a video of Luke hitting the double bag and they came back at me with the fight Tom. Wow. That's what we're fighting so fast because Luke only took again week off because of his baby. But. He was back in the gym right away and so as soon as they sent me the fight you know like I talked with always talk to the team I was shocked with everyone my father with the Lou. His father will always communications. So I kind of rounded by look I know we could we could do this. But I. Want you guys to be fully committed to you know because I I could be in my heart I always say there's not a coward trainer. We know we're not getting up here. Have whatever. But so we talk and everyone on board like all right guys we're going to get ready for this he. Does it bother you at all that Kroll is ranked beneath Fok's. So it's Kinda like not a step forward. If anything a step sideways even could be considered a few steps back. It's never really steps back when you got a guy that's undefeated for whatever reason you know it's never back you know and and you any very fight that you take. You know it's there's not an easy opponent. That's what everyone's gotta realize you're going in and these guys earn fight game none of them are really scared to fight anybody. So. Beating a guy seven knoll with six People might say, oh, he fought tomato cans do be had a knockout tomato not you get in a fight industry you'll be hitting a guy a bunch of times you will not come out. So obviously, he did what he had to do to get a monitor. So. He's not an easy opponent. Now you know. At the same time I know that. That People are going to say you know you have what? He's not even you know he's rank less than you guys and everything. But like I said I don't I don't feel that as being a step back any win as a win you go forward. And that's perfectly said I couldn't agree with you more I, think you're handling this kid amazing. I mean I was listening you speak and I'm like you know if I was a fighter, I would want to coach just like you. I wouldn't wanNA Freddie Roach with the million dudes and you know in all this stuff that he's got going on I want exactly like you. So so let me ask you is there anything based off of this opponent? Moving forward that you're GONNA do different than the Fox fight like in terms of maybe conditioning training I mean like any sort of training whatsoever like what's so what's different about kroll that has you ulcer the path for Lucas It it's it's not it's not different We know he has power. So be more cautious. Keep his hands up more game plan thing right more of a game plan is first conditioning. We you know my father had almost ten champions of the world about ten chapters of the world everyone remember the Margarito but he had you know he had who owned by Whole World War he had Chino. Chino she's got gotta CI. He I in amateurs he had beat Mayweather of course he would never beat him in the pros. He was at one when eighteen founder but. He became champion of the world they went to India though I, think it was in India they went to see spectators and the guy that was supposed to fight on. Got Sick food poisoning, and the show is gonNA find Saul him to stay in the stands and told me they told my dad knew that the kid was already ranked in my and he was training that day he had ran mountain and sparked a round with of I forgot. To rooftop fighter at the time inspired around in total. May you guys don't WanNa fight for the title? Negotiated fifty thousand at the end. It was thirty, five thousand dollars at ended up. They borrowed short. If you see that fight of Chino he has it says Vasco on his shorts his name was. They only. Borrow. This crazy story I've ever heard dude and there's a there's a link I think that it says from the from the bleachers to the to the title something like that. And up it talks about his fight about Shannon she's got Ta. Everyone knows my dad for just Margarito. But you know he's trained not a lot of other trained up. Champion Shit. Ronnie. Seguida while he couldn't be in the corner, they went to the League when they didn't let him be into corner and he knocked out their own. In Rico then he went on and knocked out on sides Oh. Yes. Yes. Yes. And then he was also had data have Oscar. So I mean it's it's a it's assistant that we have of working with the guys at it's you know. Fisher. Named him that at is because of the way his training fighters pushing hobby. I. Did your father have puppet when? He fought Kamilo. No. Skill beginning. He was still kinda young to himself. There's you know puppet was a tough fighter. He was very awkward. It was embarrassing. It wasn't very fan friendly. You know glad he was very awkward. When you fuck Nello there's people that say that I fight. He won the second one. He did lose. He's himself said the I lost the second fight when he when up infighter Timothy Bradley. Jimmy Briley said himself he had a broken wrist. He broke a rib of from some Timothy Bradley. In. But You know it's it's IT'S A. John. We weren't. We weren't with him when he fucked on. And I love that story I love the everything leading into this Yo. We're. We're I'm ruined for you man honestly I love this kid he's so good and and he's fun to watch. But just this story you know what I mean it's it's I don't know this is this is what made me fall in love with boxing. Type of underdog stories and things like that. I know that Paul has sparred Shawn Porter to get him ready for the Danny Garcia fight. So. He's familiar with rough and tough style. I don't WanNa, say Sean his Mexicans Thou, but you know you can definitely throw him in that category with all the punch and the awkwardness that comes. How do you think that would be? I mean, does that does that prepare Paul or is Santamaria completely different? Is completely different, and that's the thing that you know in in. Is He's Say He's a counterpuncher as well. He's a boxer. He. Could. It's knowing how to work the short distance of in the far dishes. I mean, if I have to make a run around the roads and just take jabs like a lead did a ham do that he's got a lot of footwork to. Justice. Many styles. That's the thing you know and that's why I'm sure they're talking to saint look man I did is you could do that. But. They don't realize that it's going to be able to default fighter y'all by they. You mean Michael Fox 'cause from that area right. Correct, correct and that because I heard, you say that there in that area. So I'm figuring if they're talking I mean that's Mike Mike Fox Dad said a you know either this kid's record on paper doesn't show what he is and I agree with him one hundred percent it doesn't you know like I sit we had with an old manager that when the kid was seventy eight was he had just turned eighteen. He wanted to put him with a bunch of left-hander and I told. This kid's not ready for now he's never handed how you gonNa tell you gonNA fight a attended not kid for eleven years so you could look good try to make your jam in yourself. Look good I I'm Gonna I'm GonNA fight him to. and. We had a lot of problems back into the stadium just didn't you know. I'm not saying a fighter. You got a US to fight in a left handed. You know you gotta work a lot of a lot of sparring with left hand. You gotTA. coaching China's left-hander and emit a little different so that you know they know how to pivot out of there because of the rest of the left-hander in straight left dangerous keep your foot outside all that stuff and there's you know and then as you're fighting you really as your spine, you see the left handers that Donald how to. Watch to Levin, which is power has. So you see all those you learnt to see if the final walked the left or ending you test them, watch the lead walk through the right see how they walk in the rain, and that's how you start breaking the Cornyn down. Hill Kid, you know what? He doesn't know how to walk to that we A. A lot of work we've been together six here. In long time for this. and. So that was the reason that that. Our saw against left handers at that at that time, and especially when we bought the only laws that lukasz that should have been lost now is upset but I did notice that. He needed adjustments and that's the reason. I I said I don't I don't WanNa fight left-handers right now at that time we had that fall. But this definitely GONNA see A. A different fighter. So even though I mean new spar, a lot of big names himself. You know when did was champion of the world? He's he's art him. He Sparta. Chris. Jerry, Walker West or chills Jim Sparta sparred up stole arte. man. So many names on elite sport a lot of. Good fighters that I don't she. They're gonNA get mad at me because I don't remember you know right now always part of sparring with slot goal Slack transferred used to be able. Now he's widow manny. The Rutledge Russian or Ukrainian. Removing him. Eastern. Always seventy gaels one, fifty four but sounds you mentioned him does that mean that you've got to spar with Terrell Goose say No don't we need. We need spar with him, Manny Trains Cochet as well if it before. Okay. Yeah. No he I seen them there I seen him there but now I don't nodding responded with him I mean. I know that the Trying to think of the kidney needs fight he's got fight coming up on the twenty seventh of September. So. It, East. Go and he's Ukrainian. Russian. Yeah I'd have to look him up seventeen Cao's seventeen. BEAT UP EP Freddy Hernandez. Body. Shot. Man Freddie. It don't matter for spot. Freddie Freddie. Freddie should be saying goodbye at this point. So the sport no, he retired he retired Oh he did alright. Beautiful. He wanted wanted to be better on Ghulam then retire. So how many more miles he we trying to hold dowse? He could we know I know you know what he's. Off should be coming right now I got my my amateur star little before he's my first amateurs coming in right now. We're running. Sam. All. We see a minute distance. Everybody or would. This kidding sixteen. And He. Was Not look at. 'em. But they come and I got another one for. What why why sand I did I it's tougher and I always I mean I've seen rocky I've heard it for years but why send You put your abby can you put back street? Perfect? Okay Yeah it's it's heavy. It's heavier. Heavy. You're working your legs. It's just strength you're pushing through with build strength and endurance at the same time. Is there. Is there anything like it on the planet? Is there another? Can you think of an equivalency to running on sand and what it does for your legs? Over running mountains. Up Hill running. Is Heavy. You know it's all heavy on tall you're you're pushing. The air is also fresh off here in the ocean. Cleaner especially when we come early in the morning here in Kelly right now we got the fires point. So there's a lot of small. We got ashes on our cars try oats it I didn't even think about that pretty bad. So smoggy in the back of you. It's detonate looks like there's a fire over there like look at that so that you see behind us. Yeah. That's probably the the. Father coming out from the Ocean Oh yeah. Not. But there is a we got a were in east la but we got the Gabriel mounted on fire San Bernardino area has fires. A fire San Francisco that area Northern California on fired some people. Already you know. So it's pretty fires on crazy right now. Listen you know I don't I don't like saying things like this because I feel like I'm trivializing the situation. But God like this can't. It just sounds like write the script like he got fires in the back in the making you fight people that you know what I'm saying like. I. Love It. Listen. This is at the top three fights I wanna see this. You know the for the rest of the year like that are scheduled what I'm saying. TREIGUTS Asia. and. Eric. Newby we had them on last night and that's obviously a big one. But this one man I can't wait man I I really. Really. I mean I wanted to before, but it's like Yo-, you're saying I just I love it I love all of it. Because I think you guys are getting that film but journey just the Yes. That's him I. Know Him I go you know what we haven't accomplished. Shit were nobody you know we're we're still you. WanNa turn around five grade good for you. You did a great job. You conditioning was there but I mean, you know when you go up against Michael on my focus, is like the the Danny Garcia the the arrow. Aero spans the even Crawford all all those fighters out there top dogs I tell him. They'll never forgive you one shortcut that you take year at that level the level they're looking for one good shot but they're not anxious troy, they know how to look for it some like the police when you do a crime, they let you go but they're gonNA catch sooner or later it's all in time under favorite until best the same way in boxing you give them that one shot at what happened with Danny Garcia Bambang real remembers was doing pretty good at that all he's doing good drop through a lazy job it was over night. You don't Danny Danny got him with the right hand right over the top and that was it. So you got to be fair Yomas gotTA fight a perfect sight without those guys in to get to that point takes a lot of work in a lot of mental discipline world. So the fighter be. What kind of recovery methods? If any US I I know he's been back to back. You know I know that's always a concern pushing you find a little too hard How's feeling and what kind of recovery do? He's sitting good. Recoveries I know there's a lot of people. In the real and all we're, we're kind of old school. You know we give them some bread we. Start working again. Eating. Eating Magdeburg. Converted, little very little, which is more more. You know there was a camera fight those a lot of funches thrown. Hit in the head, you get into L. Voice or you know. It wasn't like a major knuckle injury that would I wouldn't have. Said No. So we gave them only about a week arrests with that hand, you always worked other hand but always we're always working. I mean we do. We do massages every. So often to conduct to relax the body, you start seeing your fighter get to ten in. The works in. Little Hey we got a misogynist good massaged. Let them grasp. and. Much it and you know. He. Watching cards. Kids running. On. Yeah you good. Go Sleep. Eating, eating healthy because you know get into all these dieting and. Their fighters man, they got a real good dinner is one at some. Cut Really Really. A real small dinner but the the breakfast you know decent you know but a lunch I liked him three real good because that's what they're going to burn. We work hard into Jim they need that energy to burn. They need carbs and you'd everything. Lusa loops here to. Is Right, now nine thirty or go ahead go change. LISTEN GIVE GIVE HIM SOME Good. Wow. What kind what kind of roadwork did they just do miles a In the truck. They did. They do six miles in the sand. They run wet Santa's well I. Mean you know it's a little harder down there the San? But it's they run they run. On a say, maybe of everything they run maybe a mile into San of Jerusalem and then the other Mazi run on on on a little wet Sam, but it's still Sandra. I've read in the Sandman it's Tuffy though or Bro. I mean look you can simulate it like in the in the gems like those thick mats you know that they have you could do on those. It'll stimulate you know because you can fight on canvasses that that are that are slick campuses that or your. You you know what? It's like man. So it's good to be training in that type of. Some that are loose. You know the lucile everything's moving everywhere. So yeah. The worst like. You know what I? Don't like man and I've been I've been advocating for this for awhile is is. The sponsorship stickers they put on the canvas, this man I've seen. So many guys slip a guy. You know try to throw a punch. She went the other way I. Think they need to do a better job with those man even I? The but when you guys were fighting I think. They might have been some slips in that. Yeah I think you're right and and and I'm always calling them out man because I'm a guy I mean. You know I'm not the super coach, but you know I coach here and there you know and I I always tell whoever I'm coaching like going the ring. If you ever get a chance to go in the ring before the fight if it's fairly in amateurs, obviously you get a chance to do that. Oh, the chance came back. A guys. I'm going to go ahead and get the headphones. Okay. You guys should talk to him now. Thanks. Thanks. Thank you. Continue to you know follow is is a journey that whole. Thank you for. Giving us the tip man. No problem no problem they should get off the box, but I talked to my people still go. We're still going every piece still stays the same. Getting tested today for the coronavirus at ten thirty. All right. All right. Charles Film Mario remind them which way to. John Doing on Lucas Hey just so you know you gotTa keep your back to the street because the the MIC picks up the cars so just Basing the sand. Yeah. Perfect. That's how you fill in May. You don't even sound out of breath and. Doing good man I just finished saw the Beach Roy. I hate this waits for figure running around the. So it's a it's a beach so We're. Getting Ready to me. House somebody a put your back to the ocean. Thank you. So. We don't have the cards. I got you. Let me go more into Sandra's ness. The cars are driving in the beach so he can't help it. It's GonNa happen no matter what. But it's better this way than facing the freeway in the back ask. Your perfect. So what are you Paul? Krugman. I know he's Like like every fighter we've been telling you know we've been fighting his toe fighter man. My know he has. He has a PS pop. So we got to be careful with all that you know what I mean. The good thing is that he's my size. So so the freak in I don't have to be jumping the job you know what? I mean hot. Pop. All because he has I'm going based off his record wins six Cao's. So we're assuming he has popped. I was accent. Heavier. Backwards. Size step forward step. How do you look at Paul Verses Michael. Fox in terms of opponents for yourself. I mean. I see the same as a he's a step in in the way you know where I wanna get to you. So I look at them the same both threats. got. Eliminate the threat and where is it that you want to get to? Sonoma I WANNA get to the top I wanna be I wanna be I wanna be trampled I mean. And I know I got a long ways but you know. Starts at, the dream. And this is going to be forty seven you're campaigning at welterweight. Exactly Yeah Yeah. And your title that you look to win you wanted at welterweight I right. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Wow Lucas does do you think that in a way like? Okay. This is what I'm thinking. Right. You got fighters that are that are like prospects that are highly rated and people think the world of and they got all the backing of the world. But they they put them in easier fights right building up a resume. You have something to fight for like almost every time you go out, do you think that that's sharpens your skills knowing that like yes, you're not fighting for a title, but it's like every time you go out there something to prove. Honestly I man, you know I I know every fight I could it's either it's either take one step back or if I lose ten steps backwards, you know what I mean. So I knew I gotta go sharp all the time man I gotta gotTa. Be On my PS and QS. Yeah I gotTa be prepared at all times. How many if any guys have you have? You sparred that kind of emulate that type of style any any slick boxers the to spar Lelio or maybe the other fights While right now we're we just started sparring Sergei I forgot I forget his last name but he's I seventeen in all was seventeen Kale's yeah he was just telling us about him. Yeah we're sparring here right now in Iraq guy obviously has a lot of. Seventeen seventeen Kale's at of seventeen fights coming so. Any gives a lot of pressure tube. So you know he's he's GonNa help us prepare for for cross. And have you watched tapeworm chrome? Occur you know what I? Watched a little bit mine. I know how you're watching more than me but but yeah, we have watched a little a little bit of video on. Are you are you into that like watching your opponent or do you just you know once you know the name you seen his face that's enough for you. You know that's you know for me man I i. Let my coaches do all the studying day the they're the ones that tell me you know what to do and we prepare we prepare like with the mets and he you know he tries to. Replicate his style. So the I leave it to them and honesty do you ever? US that your opponents do before the fight or after the fight. You know man I don't I don't know why I just I just don't watch the interview Roy good. That's. Good that's smart. I. Definitely any. I let my coaches do all that. If you're coach real quick Do me ask a? Question earlier about what what was it? It was about recovery. Talk to us a little bit about the recovery process like you just ran this know you don't sound tired of but. Do you feel like you're getting adequate enough recovery from the last fight and that training camp and then having to come jump right back into another one. You know what I recovered. Fine. No I wasn't blues or anything. I just had a little scratch right here like he was on my facebook. On on my head or anything I was just really sore and after that week off by pretty good. You know I feel I. Feel like I was good. I. Felt like my body recovered fine. You know. Awesome. Awesome. Here. And especially I'm always in the gym man honestly you know I like I said last time this this despite was I fight. We're actually had a break. So after all my fights I'd been the gym the next Monday so. So. WHO'S My Body to recover. Fine. So that's the that's the secret. Then just don't let yourself get sore. Especially for me Machias frigging Roseau so I stay one one or one week two weeks out of the gym. I'll. I'll be fucking one, eighty, two and. and. you receive become a Dad, right? Yeah. My Baby. A mine too. Thank you might think you awesome. How's that? How's that? How's that going for you? I it's cool. Man It's beautiful experience when we if we at especially baby, don't cry dude like and I gotta wake we gotTa wake her up to you know what I mean. So we're. A good experience upon a brother to she must know that that bad guy, some report things this That's right. That's a good one. That's awesome. It does it feel different like in the ring or I mean, you know I guess when you're pregnant, you've realized like since the baby's been born like, is it Feel any different or you still just focus. On. You even more focused I. Remember when I used to tell me when she's here, you know what I mean. You know or like when I when I would get in trouble with my dad be like when when your kid And You know you're Hispanic. You guys know. Me All Let me. See Bras slot different. Different. I'm away from her. But Bella grace you. Address. Let me ask you about. Do you think he's going to stay in that South Pole position. Switcher. Yeah I feel like he's GonNa be switching in all because I switch myself. So I, I feel like he's switches in a switch. So she's going to be like a little chess gaming It's going to be a good fight. Fight. So you plan to switch with him well, I don't want you to give up the game plan but. I mean if if I if I see, you know he's. Got To. See where where weaknesses are you know so just be switching back and forth moving. All we got. got. announced. Just say. The South Pole. Position is not it's not really a concern for you. Not. Really, not really I mean Michael Fox He was he was a left. And we did we did find you define against him. And we we we we spy left his year in there. So. We'll be ready for anything? I these questions that are coming up right now lucas are from the people when most knowledgeable listeners here in boxing voice I was coming in from Connecticut. It's from coach Myers and he says what's going on Chad you're only lost his five years ago. Your only loss is five years ago when seventeen and that was against. Daniel. Cota. Who was thirty at the time do you think the age played a factor in that fight and? Would you want that rematch at some future point in your career? Definitely. Mine's I feel like not put up in excuses because you know I. don't I don't i. don't like excuse I think h played a little bit of. A little bit of factor my life. I was seventeen I was still in high I was still in high school. Dialogue guys. y'All. got. got. Also in highschool man and with all the school and everything you know. It was kind of. I can Balance It gave me. A Lot. There's a lot on your shoulders at is. Exactly, yeah. But I mean I. Think he did have something did have a little bit of a to do with my loss. And the honesty in the future if if the rematch comes up, I, take you I. I type of fighter are you that type of fighter that that that wants to kind of you know get get get back? Yeah. You know what? I remember a day after. I lost my mom was like, Hey, we gotta fucking go back there and get that rematch. My coaches. Just calm down come down. We'll get them in the future. We'll get them in the future you know. That's It's it. Becomes up. I well. Next from Victor Bon willows, and he says in your opinion, do you believe guys like Dimitrius and dried and Jamaal Charles Jamaal Charles will receive credit feeding a fighter like another Alvarez. If so why do you think they will get credit? of course, I know they'd probably get all the credit in the world 'cause Cannella right now he's. He's. He's he's a great one of the greatest right now. In this era, saw he he he get a lot. They'll get a lot of credit if they beat him. This is tough man he's tough. Mo Fo am all for I the next one's coming from James Vow Dez this from San Antonio Texas he says, the welterweight division is stack right now spence versus Garcia. Who Wins and why congrats on the baby Thank you. Thank you Honestly I feel like I think expenses in. You know you guys I feel like he's a he's a younger fighter. He's he's. got. Better style you know. So I think you'll take. So you said Garcia take it nicely Spence Spence. Even. Accident but I don't know. I feel like easy. Still Good. Obviously, still good. He's still go you feel like you know all that stuff they saying it's just you know things that people are just assuming. I think so. Hey next advocates. Say Some I was GONNA. Say Luca's how do you feel? If I got Paul Corn Show. Now. That's cool. Yeah You sure 'cause I don't look you know obviously someone must send them the link He. On, he wants to come on O mind having them on, but I can away schedule him for another time I mean it's Some time he doesn't have his skype or anything like that. So you know but I'm just saying because yesterday we had luminance around Gesu. They also face each other. So you know you know. I? Yes. Cool. My. Next question's coming in from across the pond in the UK George Foster and he says who do you think has the bigger fan base Terence Crawford Earl Spencer's. Um Enough I don't really follow invite I, think I think aerospace spans I think are actually yeah. I like they're both they're both they're both up their mind so. For sure. They're both up there for sure you know. I. Well, this was coming in from Newark New Jersey King I mean Essex and he says Peace Chan. What man after what most would call a big win over? Fox Do you think that your future opponents will try to be more prepared for you and how will you handle that? Yeah most definitely man I feel like I was on the big time or and beating this I know. I know being. Made. People think like all these guys no joke. Nausea gotta go in hundred percent. So I know. I know my feature opponents they're they're putting in that work. Absolutely. the. This is the last one. This is coming from Dallas. Fort Worth. This is George from Dallas Fort Worth he says Loma or Te'o Fema and stoppage or decision. That's a good five man. That's a real good fire. But I don't know I think I gotta go man. That Guy Style and boxing Hughes is crazy. So I think I got home. And I think I goes I. Think it was the twelfth I. Think it was a around. Told on. Twelve around Loma. Think. So yeah, I think it was around Loma. If you'll female don't come out. and. I think that was the last one for Patriot. Honest. Well, yeah, you know. We'll reschedule this way this way it doesn't come as a surprise for either view. And I don't want her to. And I don't WanNa keep you waiting while he. Sets up because he didn't have a skype, he wasn't. Ready. But if you are you can you can definitely tune in to hear what he says because we're GONNA ask them all about you but I do want to thank you for coming on. We appreciate that keep coming back on. we appreciate you if you could just give out your social media for anybody who is following, you can do so in and just thank you again man. You guys you guys can follow me on their luke underscore Santa. Maria on Instagram facebook on I don't have a twitter but I always say I won't make one Let's. Jump on the guy jumped on a no problem no problem. Well, Luke man thank you so much man and enjoy the rest of your day. I likewise. Yeah. I DIDN'T WANNA. Keep Bonn. While he's waiting, we'll just get Paul separately to and you know I don't WanNa create any fake animosity, but definitely want to talk to Paul and seems like he's available. But. He set up his own skype. You know not everybody has skirt. Don't know why but. Zoom became the new thing when sky been doing if. They just play sky bow y'all let's just go with zoom because of the pandemic it was part of the pandemic probably it was like Oh yeah. We're GONNA cause this pandemic and push skype. Means conspiracy. They did a play made a play on skype But. Paul Kroger Sparring on Youtube. On, he got spoiled I see I see I was taking a look at some of his fight he's out he's out. Footage on 'em. Footage on. I think he's a he's slick boxer. He's a slick box in and he definitely has some. You know some way to his hands because he's putting these guys out. obviously some guys you know and I'm GonNa play the the casualty no 'cause I. You guys just be surprised sometimes I mean I know I surprise you once in a while what would a name and and and the promotional company but you guys know everybody. And Paul cries not it's not a guy that was that I was too fancy. But now. Taking a look at some of the footage. Guy Moves Good. I'm like I'm like your s you and your big ideas I literally got a workers remodeling a bathroom and I was supposed to end this show. I was supposed to and his show early in Him I am getting Paul Long 'cause it's just better for the people to see who he's fighting. You mean like, Oh, this is him. Okay and that energy is like I want to keep that going. Only. Only love box but Paul. I sent him the lace. All you gotTa do is jump in I mean make sure. Okay. Now Paul Paul You said he was gives them sparring out here in Jersey or Spa? Danny fight we've been interviewing for a while we two years. We don't because we lost our Philly do he he was in college, and then he went all around the world but. Let me his using. I mean and. I. Don't know how much So he spies Mina, he spurs ns all that. He's down. Dan, why am I join a blank on my philly? Do Man he going hate me if he hears the show the goodness I can't even think. That's why we ain't got NS. Because he ain't with us. No more because he was like huge. Ns Supporter. In that camp, he was just in that can't. Let me see. Looking at that That Paul Kromer Kado fight. On keys promotions. And Yeah, he got he got. He looks like he's seen technically sound man is. Philadelphia fight. That that's that's natural. Natural man he's he's in the trenches with them dudes. You know he's he goes well, we'll see we'll get all the details nice sending me has used the name and that's usually what we need to get Disdain Gola Good Movement pivoting and look. Man. It could turn into. It could turn into a phone booth fight. or IT COULD BE A. A back foot five you know it all depends on what? A while Crows GonNa, WanNa do it 'cause. I may does he like to trade in in the in the in the center? I don't know. But he definitely got some good counter skills. Yeah I'm definitely going to go back. Oh, just put I just saw him put Makoto down right now with a right hand. Here we go. Bambi legged. He's. Very. Close. Chat, what up. Okay We're good. All we need to do is turn. Camera on hopefully you've got some. Around or some earphones. you in car that might even be. Sounds. You just need to turn the camera on tape. Now Cam Roy. Let me see. I go now. Thing I'm request is Ooh. Turn out phone size given the landscape day up. Here you go. Coach. I'm GonNa tell you I I let him go I have no awkwardness or be called the instigator but we just had a good interview with him and I felt like it would be great to get you on the show and let the audience also see who he's facing I. Think the both of you are taking a very tough fight you first and foremost our no you must know him because of Michael. Fahd's just fought him yes. Seen the fight who Michael Fox and you know Michael Fives well. I know normal normal little bit year get in the ring. Together. In turn off. All. Okay I thought you spotify for whatever reason. but yeah, being as though Fox Fordham I figured that you had are at least. You know put some is on them now he doesn't know much about you but. It's been like two years as we interviewed you but we've been interviewing for at least three years before the last two years. So you've been out there and as soon as. His coach texts me and was like Oh we back on PBC and we in this guy named. Paul Chrome like, oh. My God. That's a big fight. For you was the big fight because you know one, you step up to do to beat somebody who was like twenty two in one. So I mean just talk to me about why you took this fight at seven and no knowing this guy is about ready upset like he was the underdog three times in be three PBC guys. Won't beat. Me Stopping. Stop Stop on four or five rounds Bangor new further. How Are you how are you so confident though? Skills pay the booze I just know like I. Just look at him I know I'm not washed anything but it can't be me. so You wasn't look elegant allegations. He wasn't the amateur was up in all of the world is amateur he ain't the professional fighter. Like he got he got you know he's he can fight and fight is upset a lot of people but I'm not dumb. and. Why are you not them out side of the school? Because he has a high work rate brother. I got a great job on slow that down you're going to see that go to the body. And can adjust on the fly like no matter. What goal warned I can adjust on the fly on the Greeks could do day. Now word on a curb as you switch I've seen you in the South Pole but they say that you also Orthodox drew I'm bringing I'm right handed but I could turn south for too. So you prefer to come out and Orthodox now because I've seen you sparring and South Pole position. It depends on like it depends on. It depends on how? Honestly. I. Love Your Confidence. You know and I'm sure all our listeners are going to love that you know That's kind of what excites boxing fans but. That being said, what gives you that confidence? Why are you so? Confident. I've been all over the world fan I seen in which I see almost every style like and I've been in a lot of professional. Fighter can't stand aj Rod Shawn Porter like the top the top. Top tending were I've been in the camps and I can hold my own with them right I. Give Great Work like. Some of the best work they get. So. So Paul, why is it that you? I guess. Having made a little bit more noise. Why doesn't the World No? You're as great as you say you all. Comedy. Down you know situations you know Talk went out we'll come When I was coming. This the reason why when I was coming at one Olympic trial twenty, sixteen, I got arrested in our day so. That was a low. You know that held me back a little bit. Then I I didn't. I'm. Not. Promoter but I didn't have no our door anything from a Muslim final local cards instead of. When it was coming out there for them Olympic trials will side with the. Big Promoters or promoters had connections you know up into got my manager Keep Kali. That's when he started getting me on Wendy. Stuff? When did that? I fight with with November second last year. Oh okay. After the bunch fight basically. And and did he sign you because you beat bunch because when I said to the people right I googled you when the box and I'm telling them because I already knew who you were really do that. I can't remember his name I know I will Joe Gutmann. Scott it with the Sunni. Your I'm glad I. The thing is he went to school and he got he's got real professional. So we start interviewing you because stopped going to your gym I don't got a Philly Guy I'm all the way in Jersey. But I told my listeners yo he beasts and that's a good when people are. Too? I'm like no that was heavily touted. So my question even though it was long winded was is that the reason keeps on you because he? No. Reason I believe did his homework in the You know looked into me because he they do his homework on stuff and you can look into Miami background. You really know you're going to look to. See everything. For. Everybody do you feel that the arrests? Probably. Scared promoters away. You. Know for a fact that they're like some like some some promoters even totally. I don't want to You know would any? Day tasted like gangsters I. Just I was young on with stake in. We learn from it. And everything, but the arrest really like. The best thing. It. Made me mature I grew up. I got to see really in my corner. And made me focus on boxing. percent. Like. That mentality huge man congratulations for that. Brian Thank. I WANNA. Assume you work with Ns because I remember Joseph always getting footage of the both VR is is that right? We used to work in amateurs when a lot a lot in when a a, I. Came back into box and got off house arrest and everything. We worked couple of times but Dan Wang, work in a while like two years is that because the both for you have decided to be well to? Okay. Staying away staying away from heart just. So who's your just in case. who know saying just in case y'all. In the meeting one day right and it probably not attended probably happen because they're not gonNa let to local people come out the same. Hell. Same Level trials same city Philadelphia we always try to get you know what I mean but it got me for some money and that's what I'm saying. That's Got To be someone. That's right. So, let me ask you keep Connelly's a great manager first, and foremost we know him over here very well and everything that he's been able to do in boxing for our casualises out there just tuning in live for the first time. Commonly Manages Adam, club nakae Daniel Jacobs Richard Komai Galanga so that being said. You with. Like you can land with top rank. I don't want you to close any door. Or doors over orders openly, I ain't never signed signed. But it's what's best for me. Really what's best is with me when I talked to my team and My not my coaches in my manager like agreed with specialty. That's what I'm GonNa do end today about Mick but in your opinion. As well to way. Better. You See. It more champions if you look at. If you look at. Top rank be really only got Crawford and that's why it's hard for them to fight everybody in army. And plus a lot of people probably don't WanNA fight him because he wanted a bus but it's just a pain but you know this would I believe they just need to get over there and everybody needs to fight. It's good for boxing especially daughter style. where? Right now you've ranked like one hundred, fifty, six, hundred bucks for you only got seven five. So there's no I don't think you're in a sanctioning body this fight should put you or one yard should be ranked at least top fifteen and something. Where would you like that? The BE WBO WBA WBZ? IBF uncared. It don't matter anyone to the. World titles, I. Don't Care Little. Little. Belt Center I just. SMOKE ANYWAY Trump we won't fight as long as the money, right? I won't fake. No I mean, listen I want my listeners the no. In the audience to know that we can tell that based off this fight seven and. Get getting there I mean look got a bunch of more if I think he's eight eleven. To One. Eleven wins one draw one win but it's his level of opposition. He's been getting tough from the beginning. So it shows that you do all the smoke. That's exactly why we wanted to highlight this fight as much as possible because you're taking a chance just like he's taking a chance men and I hope that the both of you to events regardless of win or loss but Mario. You weren't here he say stopping Lou. Luke, did you get to see his last night? Yeah, he's. Good good. Like like. like in my opinion honestly I think mccaw Fox, pulled it out. But judge he did he punches to work rate. Don't get into the judge and like our AC- things where he may golomb stakes but I don't really go for that like I could adjust on the fly I'm assuming coaches don't give me a game play I'm gonNA executed perfectly and anything goes in between it just adjusts. Do Ucla Smart. He is he he's telling us this right but but he got the game plan already he already know the game plan he ain't giving it away. For this fight, I'm so excited to. opportunity for me I always a big. Listen you're you're from Philly and I know you're you're well known in the Philly circles. I'm from Texas. Okay. I should I know you yet. I shouldn't know you yet but I know you I know. I, know you before but I know you this fight. It means something you know what I'm saying. So this is a major opportunity to thing that I see though also is exactly what you're saying is that this is for him an opportunity it. Feels bigger because of the momentum right but you're the a side. So how do you? How do you fight like a dog when you get treated with the treatment? You know what I'm saying You See I still. North. Suzie I'm hungry. I got a two year old daughter. Are Tom I'm five China has money. So are taking my daughter better life but I'm on five I wanted to grow up and these schools. That's my hunger. Everything. Would you move forward or are you just looking at Strasbourg Pa and get a nice big house. It ain't even about the fresh prince of Bel Air. About the better. Environment. Education stuff like that like I'm always I'm a trained in Philly we got the bus fighters. Nikko Boxing. I mean you know it's it's listed. That let me jump in because I've been trying to go off and. You come from Philly like I said I know you should the ring Ns and you strategically stop doing that that being said. Do I. DON'T WANNA. Say Do you get frustrated but just how do you feel when people talk so highly of him? You're also a welk's away because everybody is like emphasis that next guy that's what everybody thinks easily. Scales already. Young. He worked hard for everything he gets. But I ain't. No Hater. Be just happened to be in the same way clash. We haven't been in any way. Boosts. Wanted a great he is. Is, just like I am we you know it just happened to be in the same way class in. Probably in live. In it is what it is boxing there's only business well I. Again it's not about him. I mean more like is it frustrating? Philly isn't saying like. Paul Crow is just as good as NS. I don't care about. Like. Is All about timing. When I fight. I'm? Shy. You doesn't matter on whereby new BIOS worry about me. My performance more speaks for itself. I box Sucker Bang Inside long range anything and I do have a fan friendly starter. So I am exciting I have power. But I'm a lot smarter and faster than people think to you've been out the ring for what is it a little by eight months so Jim The old time though. Back you know allows going. I the whole time. That's right. So you you you've you've made. Man I'm telling you I can't this October third can't come. Soon enough fast enough. Room. 'cause you guys both have the same attitude Paul what what's your? What's your nationality? White Black. Irish German okay. I'm I'm seeing some sort of a unanimous right something I'm like. Little. Spanish. So wait a minute. German. Say That again. White Irish and German. And Chat multicultural sent word. Real quick. Let me let me. Let's go back to the North Philly for a second I. Did pull up the record. Okay. So I did see the charge and all that stuff in I seen an interview also that you put it all behind you. So moving forward you. Like I guess what? I'm trying to ask like all that that lifestyle that got you caught up it's boxing is what keeps you grounded boxing is what it does. That was your path. Correct. But I would tell you about that the news, the news you know. Is The hotel, your story under story I didn't want to. Talk. But no no. Good good. You know the news. With. A could all is not always hundred per se. Oh. My whole life I've been I've been working my dad's easily the demo life just. Made a mistake as a kid made the wrong decision does all. Bandai right thank you know it's all about a story. So that's what it was. Let's lesbian. Situated happened happening they go wrong with it. You know I mean it is headline. But If you meet me I'm down to Earth I'm not like I'm Homo Guy Likable Kid like I'm a great guy. I'm a father I. I'm alone five of I. And like I surround yourself with good people. That's the one thing I learnt now like who I'm surrounded myself with. Will. It goes back to what you were saying? Well, you know that area. And the lack of opportunity and stuff that's been done for it. You know the educational system. So one hundred percent, but it's not what you do. It's how you get up. It's what you do from that point on. So Yeah Man I'm super excited I'm man both of you I'm fans both the Oh man it sucks that I have to watch out fight and when y'all got lose but Is Good for boxing. Like. Tests Myself I I knew I believe on great and I say I'm great. I should to stop without even trying. Would you are you in? A fight for? Offer Ninth Spring. That's not. Jenkins at right. Fred Fred. No. No not twenty six. That's ABC. To on the amateurs and stuff. Man where we even go man this is such a good fight. For Real but Do. You think this is the coming out party for you like. Will do you think that this performance? Will keep you on television. I believe I believe this performance Chemo Television and this is this this fight there's gonNA open the door from. Now he said he was getting coronas today. Are you getting today? Every Monday every Monday. Okay. Everybody leading up to up until when it's twice a week, I don't think you answered who trains you. Greg in Mike Nova. Greg Hackett that sounds so familiar who else he trains Philly is rob. He trained He used to work with gay idol. Couple of. got a couple little amateurs that he got. He was just he just hoped you. COME IN A. Row with just he would just roll helping Rhode won't Russian on a on a tolerant cars heavyset do. You owe you don't he got a savage to. Raymond. No No, no no no no. No that's a Tko. He you know we we go over there and we train with sometimes but he not the China. This is so I want to know. If you had how ready do you think you are and I don't mean for this guy I, mean, for the welterweight, division do you. Still, need some fights or are you on the fast track? What is your plan not ours? What I I'M GONNA fighters I won't fight. This fight one, I wanNA fight somebody know better than. The I know I like to find it is honesty. I like Virgil tease alm okay or read that's. Already. Tease. You know you guys assume Porter Omer Figueroa. Somebody with a name like anything. Give me. To. Big Names. Get you in the talks you think you ready for that next I know I am so so you about About You. Know. Some of you know how this game is about. You know not all Thomas is a lot of risk. If I get their fight boom I'm ready but would he take it right away because? By, you know how? To, fight off fighting about eight improve nothing yet. That's why this fight like I like this because it is a big step up. Step of fight in in the better to fight. The pathetic look and They can't. You gotta you gotTa tell only to get you like Sam well, Vulgar's Ho Seato Lopez oh past like a day. Whatever whatever my team? Especially, we're GONNA. Do we all sit down but they face I, went. Now I'm excited for you. So if you had. Your choice. What champion you think you can beat right now. Like if. If keeps Dan said look man offering you a title shot is up to you will champion you. WanNa fight for it who you think. Yeah I definitely beating this. Let me see. I'm trying to think about I know Crawford Bell early got some Crawford. Pack got. I will in England right now because like accident if I beat them this another excuse me. Any of them, it doesn't matter to me. I could be any of them like today tomorrow what if as long as I go away for camp. Would I? Earl Beats Danny. I don't don't mean nothing to me he can't beat me. No no no, no, no, no, no no no. No you said it wrong comedians. Gani. Earl would have Danny beats would know. What I mean is what if earl beads Danny you said you in Fight Earl because you people won't give you credit for the accident but I'm GonNa. He's obviously in Danny so you would have to fight them added a Danny fight. So you don't think you would get credit out of me. Law. If if he if he did anybody not. Picking Dan you said. Right. You say you're picking Danny You. Say you're picking Danny Danny. Okay to win. Yes. But that's the Philly love though man that's Philly. Love I'm not saying. A lot of people get him the late. Let me just hear me out I'm not saying Danny can't win. I'm not saying you don't really. Even, though he not know slow Jeez Nano slow cheesy Greek. Fighter like he's taken. But I just I just lead Gani can beat him. If he hit with chassis guy hit with when he full quarter. Route puncher that we closed it's gonNA affect them all but why everybody say that but he don't knock out well, two ways. Style fights and it. was see like. That's The same on that. Can I'm not you? You're with? said. When he he was he was an interview where he liked know how any didn't stop red cads and that's all based on him. Spa. I know you seen that viral sparring? I am. Really. I'm GonNa Jim from one night when I go home with my family. Hey, listen I love it. That means you hungry man I wanna see you get them whereas listen I. Don't want to a where did you? Let me ask you where did you get that nickname from? The. it was given to me. amateur coach started me out. Good. And I wouldn't have said it. Catch. Horrible only the only punisher new was Paul. Williams and that's funny. Your name is Paula to punish she did to. New Punishing Yeah Yeah listen and that was a show. Paul was a good. It was was a great fighter. He beat Margarito when we don't even know if Margarito cameras but listen we've got a few questions from the people first one is from James Vow Dez in San Antonio who says what's The Mario Solis question what's the story behind the nickname? The punisher all Dan my bad. X, one is from Brandon Cincinnati. says. Would you date your way? You got a girl, but I don't know if you WANNA. Ask He says, would you data chick with Seoul snatching watt? But a five, fifty credit school. Don't answer if it's going to get you in trouble. Without no I. Said I. Right. Now. I'm chasing my. Own. End About if you look at how you treat me. I rather. On, treat me good and a team of person does Super Bad, but everybody face it you can't trust. Grow Right. Yeah I gotta go. To hero, I'm taking I'm cool enjoy. -joy she enjoyed boxing like watching fire she gets scared. One of my biggest one of my biggest supporters if you watch the fight went up on that I posted on me a bunch you're had used that jab has like the time. You need support in your corner you're going to be a winner. Athlete. Joy next coming in from George Foster. He's from the U.. K. Across the pond says, what sets you apart from your next opponent Lucas anthem idea. More versatile do more. I just A. Better fighter and. You know up until this opportunity. You wouldn't really know because I haven't had the opportunity he had opportunities, but I'm all around a fighter. Town. I know. Next was coming in from Lewis says have a good fight but overconfident is many boxers weakness. You can be all over the world, but I know fighters the only train home and never travel and have won a and and win a title again Olympians Stone. Sleep in advice, take it or leave it I guess he was just trying to give some advice Appreciate the. Biggest thing about me is my work and if you go look on my Instagram, his times you see. I'm training. One in the morning two, hundred more like I. You know how Louisa Train? I'm the new. I'm the new one at trained like the new fighter train like day. Look just following your GRANDPA group box underscore. And it's consistent it's not. Doing it. Then I'm doing that Nah, it's every consistence consistency. We'll get to hear that that handle again before you go said, everybody starts to follow the journey Kanye Mean Essex the next question from Newark New Jersey. He says Peace Chan. Shot out to the fighting and wrapping city Philadelphia any chance that you also wrap. Around. We got this. We got this program on Saturday mornings man we We have a program called boxing bars where you know listeners co host and you know they battled each other rapid minute's pretty cool and I, think that's why King I mean is asking he's one of the the the battle rappers on the promise chant though. Various chair frame. I'm on. I'm on your instagram is that like how often are you doing five miles? Is that every day every other day? What is that look like a Lake Day like you burn out later that many miles to you know every day like it depends on my own file off then I might run know three by depends on fil might run it through the straight could I'm still in good. Time, feeling like a pinches listen to my body body feeling. Like I don't train lose we. Start eating right diary do everything right now. So all I'm doing this owning my craft in the waste on the letter what And I'm excited man at least we thirty days out we we still got some more questions Do. Oh. Yeah I wish I reset it of it. Was the last one. Key King I mean, it was the last one. Says scenario took my question. How did? How did you hear about the box and voice Champa they the best boxer? Pakistanis down now we visited him at the gym man which we need to do again. And we got stone. Who says who is the greatest Philadelphia fighter ever and why Peace Champ Stone boombox from Colorado Allowed chip. Elaborate good fired. I would have to really sit back and think about that the asked I want to save me. At. Time while Toyota. y'All. I don't know if it's a philly thing but Jesus man do you hang Williams you sow so much like Julian Williams, like the voice. I know you probably don't even hear brightest my voice, my God to. Sales like Julia Williams No. Nobody never said. First Time. Oh now, I feel stupid by into. The silly thing I should say anything. Well Chad that's all questions I want to thank you for coming on short notice you are the champ we definitely GonNa WanNa get what you in the gym again man appreciate you coming on. Wish you all the best about your social media anybody who isn't following. You can do so and believe, and we're going to get you back on, go set that virtual press conference up with Lucas because man and would have been. It would have been. Great if you would. Have Been. You going to stop them in five. Wow. Just to see how? Did that with Ericsson Luby's. Told them about. Lucas. Actually we lose Interro Guichet virtually together at the same time. Yes. Last night. So we can still set that up if y'all want. Now we will. Good for boxing is to fight more people watch it. Fill needed. Got To promote the hell out of here and and that's what I'm saying you guys can't be taken his wrists you equally or taking a huge risk it we both are we both. Men. And people need to know that man so that so that you know. When all loser? Yes. Still get opportunities. You understand because this was a risk that you both don't need to take so soon and and you need to be rewarded for that man we appreciate you coming on we appreciate you being fighters fighter too because not everybody will do what you're doing. You know you. You know I know they got you as the favorite but I'm like, wow, you know you just get in there with a do keeps upset and people. So you know it shows the type of Kahane's you've got. where? And give out dead I g you all the social media. You WanNa, follow you on your journey do so brother. Follow me on Instagram Paul crew box underscore twitter crow box in a facebook disclosed crew. That's all. Address Jim too. So you guys can. Definitely. That's awesome. Definitely I'm coming out of curiosity OCT twenty four. It would be awesome to get to go to Philly and stop by your Jim. Definitely definitely likability drive we take an earlier. Appreciate you Paul Man Take it easy. H. O.. Thank you. We get you back on. Check your messages would definitely get you back on soon. Right, you have guys. I sorta got this is exactly what happened to me. Let me tell you. Okay. I was like Oh man I gotta go to the bathroom when y'all were on with Santa Muddy up and so I went to the bathroom and I kept trying to put up my phone but I'll not going to be that long and then of course, as soon as I walk out my. Office. My dogs are sitting there I'm like damn it. I gotta take them out so I'll take him out. I'm like art. I. Probably Miss the rest of the interview I come back close the door and I bet and I said you know what are the is Scott Paul crawl because it because my phone popped on so I knew that somebody was still on the interview. Betty got on man I bet sure enough. I came back down. Again. All. Year. We we we done unless you want to say any final words. Not. All. We can cut you from this in. It's not a big deal. For my phone just. Over move you on this around. These. Able to hear though that like we're done. But yeah, let's go out to these phone calls in get this thing started. Do. These calls are brought to you by El Camino electrical services, experts, and electric vehicle charging. For consultations internal installation visit us at El Camino. Electrical Services, DOT COM. Joe. Why does despite got so much? Worse now it's like who's going to win now dude I know listen I'm going to do a lot. We gotta do a life fight chapter this we. This is the type of stuff. We don't normally see like two two young fighters that are going to risk it this early, right this is what this so we. Don't see. So when you guys like say like, Oh, we gotta tune in for this. We got a two and then we've got these guys respect shot out to the non PBC diet out there. Who any super jetties there I might have missed suck one up by supermax. He says, I appreciate TBB leading US ask fighters questions on patriots come on guys. Let's get better questions that are relevant to who the guest is. Let's go Kompyang. I, WanNa say real quick about that. This is what you gotTa. Do you just gotTa read the questions know what I'm saying like make sure you're reading before you ask. Not. Only that it's exactly what Supermac said respect, the fighter act something about him like you ask about people. Like y'all. Let me just really you mean there's no issue with this. Topic like you know, Hey, what did you learn about? So and so and that kind of, but like try to find a way to relate it back to then. All right. Well, let me just read this from some of the higher ups in PBC who was watching our virtual a press conference man what's with these lay mass questions? Instigate the fight between these two talking about other fighters. And that's because I'm catering patrons is like you know my patrons got questions but your accent about people it's like get the fuck outside your little. Bubbles. You know is so and so powerful dog if that's what you think. Cool. But like you're influencing the fighter to answer question based on arguments, you have when he's gotta fight. He's got a life. He's got a family. That's the best way to be a champion. Well, he wants to be popular too like you accent about other people and other people's life like respect him and listen it's real simple. It's it's the five ws who what, when, where, why if you don't know it's asked you just look at the fighter and and asked that question start with WHO and then like who is he? Okay. Well, you know where did he come from You know what did he do to get here late it I know that sounds very simple and cut and dry, but that's how you build a. I think just when the guys are are looking to have a fight or have a fight I think we should just stay more on more on them. But if we got a guest that you know normally we gotta guest and he does. Or even just a fighter that doesn't have nothing coming up, he's he's coming on. Questions like that could probably fly like. The interviews like Terrell Keisha and Ericsson Lube. Those were supposed to be questions that were you know for them to instigate that and that's what I'm saying it's not that those questions aren't cool or the you're not allowed to ask but like it's timing and the timing for for for those questions was a little off. You don't WanNa be asking about five fifty score. And all that other stuff to a guy who's obviously you know. At a fight coming up I love. Brandon's question I can't even I love it because I'm that dude I could debate you the same thing forever. So I love having people show him that he's wrong. But like Crow said timing. You know timing. everything is timing, but let's get to these callers man. Call you time face I mean of Essex what do champion? Man. Yucky hit us through the workers which you got the railroad. Fishing me. TV. Yoyo I gotTA steelers y'All from from Darmstadt Dom. 'cause I'm at work but to do me give me the best part of what you mean that. Well you know. Let's just let them know what's the best parking means. Is TV. Back. I. Love It. For Rogue Shutout, the dominant I don't WanNa see that's like I say many also shot out listen I got a set out Dennis Dennis J. F. T. then is he listens y'all know Dennis Man. Daniel dentist. This is the show all the time. Yeah. DOWN IN TAMPA? He's been trying to call and he's been so busy with work I promised him as my brother. I will make sure that job no that he's still tune in and listening every day man. Search. Yeah. Great. Great Interviews Man 'cause remember we were we was looking at Santamaria when he had that that fight in some people was calling it a upset and and so remember the discussing was around the UK job because the American fighters fight tomato cans on the way up. So they get inflated resumes and they'd be twenty, and well, this is what Shaw been asking for I'm glad that TV is the one to introduce this to boxing we're finding these guys. So early you know what I'm saying that it doesn't matter nobody don't WanNa lose but but the loss that these guys will take. To, give them that experience mass shutout to both of them to just being where they ask Nick career hats off to them. I gotta get back to work unfortunately man but I I. I love TV set out to all my patriot. And Yeah, you're, I hope stainless that that the rest of that song. So y'all Sooman, because like I said it it, it pains me to hear how he claimed it and I can't get mine into getting a hard of a competitor. That's what it's all about man. So let me get mine all stainless tighten add up and get into the show I'm out. And I just checked my email. And Man, it would have been a treat to find that in that because it's been like that. For the last few days, I'm just so backed up I think at this fighter from the UK hit me up like, Hey, mate what happened to that interview we did I'm like Oh my God i I left from or read. In. Up Loesch Shit I'm just backed up right now. What happened yeah. Yeah. It happens it happens Mario you around or did he again He's in blocks champ. You you you you. You don't want sorry I'm sorry I was trying to post posted the thing on Instagram when we have heavy air in Lucas blue same thing for Paul but I'm trying to find better picture than this bullshit sees. He. Sees Las Vegas Woulda. Sees. Hungry in the. Season just listening greatness justice in j Mac in New Orleans would. Back. bitches sport total disrespect. Has No corners. No. Villa. Modest Stay away. Boogeyman. I'm challenging. A billion. Euro just listening to nurse. Smokes. All right. That's Jordan to Washington. Just let's put a million on it. King Ball on you're listening or you're talking. We older disaster. For the position like that, you know they'll give it a wash show. Your. Hey Yo. Yo you hear me your hamming listen me. Good interview good into your poor crow I don't know brother but she like he got his head on straight guys lady. You know he got his earth got to see a he's hungry. You know. Home home from locked up whether you want to Airland or prison whatever you're hungry. Like this. Little bit to Carpi. I must say but let's see what he about y'all that she will be about. But I like the fact that he focused man A. Lot of brothers will come role. They met subsoil. Hope he's brother don't mess up. You know what I mean like I said you got to allow fight chat. Talk Hello Hello Agitate. You know. Let's see what he about. Peace to him piece to Y'all are doing it in family. No, I'm saying I know stonewall commerce on fire. I see him on here. Piece. I. Ring Walk Luis. Rivera. Go ahead. Boston. Sci what up. Guys with guys good afternoon from London. Tremendous. Today and it's and the same actually on on the guarantee with that was really good keeping the same energy. You know Gary but I felt he was. He was being a bit ignorant of tears and you guys kind of. The I want us to put him on the spot began. Double Dunaway was asking. Questions and me and my buddies were doing bets on Danny. Garcia Spence pay per view within within how many buys is going to do with into twenty thousand range and my bet is on three eighty, five to four, hundred, thousand just WanNa get your views before love this Beneton. Good man I mean I know that it could be considered probably far fetched maybe people think Mikey has a bigger. Fan. Base because. Mexicans. By pay per view Danny's Puerto. Rican. And he's never really adapted to that Puerto Rican audience because he doesn't speak. Spanish. So I still think that's a safe number. are still think that's a good good number of you know I think anything between and I know you don't twenty thousand range which is tight. But. I think anything anything but don't you think. Don't don't. You think more people believing that daddy can actually win compared to people thought might you can't win well because of the fact you right you're absolutely right not only because of the Mikey fight and the and the fact that he didn't knock out the smaller man move enough. But then the car accident maybe more people tune in but. Let's be honest. You're a hardcore. How much publicity are we been getting for this by I? Know we're still two months out. It's like, November. Twenty first but I don't know they need to ramp up the propaganda and publicity for this. Or less minutes. You know the fury while they started on a bit early and I think some of that spending early on is not going to pay dividends so so that's but. I got spent some that one I. Think you know you wouldn't take this fight? And I would love to have you on. But you know there is a time limit. You could always come back with a boomerang or a counterpunch Sony. Cincinnati wake up. Cincinnati just listening going out to Jordan in Washington what a? Chance. You're. A is, is about the degree quite three fight? Walk. Away. Who y'all got wasn't it? Champ revenge. Mattel. You Got Ferry I got period because. I don't really see too many heavily these days I can stand with him he he's light always like a welterweight he. Moves around the different I don't really see too many people beating him. But that's the looked louder I. Hope you get out and then update for you next he was asking I. Forget. I wonder if there was myself is the heavyweight that was on for Labor. Jeannie. Painting. And US asking him about the suicides yeah, Yeah Yeah. that. Works man that works I. Get on the floor boxer I run the whole boxer do every every five yards I run back and then I'll. SKIP. So the next time do ten yards and then I had like five burke's but they got my current real. Good. How many have you been Samantha Jordan. Damning you're, GonNa turn pro with just six amateurs you ain't playing how old are you? Twenty nine. Better than Chris Lovejoy at least you took amateur out he had no emma suffice or did you just? See runs suicides for the whole football field. That's crazy. He wanted Brian when you WANNA you've. I'm I admire the hell out of that I mean that would probably kill me like literally kill me. But. y'All. Sto Pro. Get your cardio real good. It gives you Cardi all the way up I ended up with like. Like Lucas Santa Maria. Again. You run on the beach or the. Run every now and again like I go to this Little Beach in Washington Gordon Gardens It's only sandy beach. We've got out here but I do sprints in there every every once in a while when I get down that way. But yeah, using our experience and then I do a couple of miles at the track. Laying there. Jordan. So. What's the whole I know? You said it's because of the corona virus but things is clear. When do you officially turn pro? About that. So Labor and the accident told him my car out My shoulders acting up. So we're shooting his own time. We were shooting for next sometime in the next couple of months. Now. Well definitely was updated champion. We're going to follow you at twenty. Two. Twenty nine you said, right? Yes sir. I. Mean. If you could get in there, thank you for calling. But if you could get in there, you gotta shot. Six hundred to eight a lot. But let me tell you. Is More than Chris Lovejoy and a bunch of other heavyweights. Got I got my trunks for border wars why blue and black I'm going with? sluman actually thinking about hitting up Ernie and saying what I could do by I. Don't know I don't want to take advantage of my. Friendships, you know what I mean. I don't know probably won't. Stop you better sign. We we haven't talked in such a long time that I feel like it would be weird for me like. Did you know. What you can do you can you can be like, Hey, man how you've been a need. Three. Dozen. Ever last signature gloves. And I'll pay for them and then you hey, by the way man I'm having this fight can you hook me up with some shots? This guy over here he just knows. Somebody manager is this is there my pound for pound? Zao? I gotta get some gloves signatures for them? Yeah me mean. Coach Myers says my questions are always on point bullseye. EMOJI? Right relative. Always, he look how coach Myers Hat Cheney smiling coach Myers closed I was he was like, no 'cause Mars because he hit me up the remind me about the interview. Coach Myers. That's true official NECE. Right, did. I got a line for the people we're going out to chemo in Florida. Let me know. Is, you, win here. Or you listen. Listen. tweak that champ super allows. You sound both don't have like individuals soundbite audio, you could drag it. That's what happens when you ain't got the individual audio. We. Let you go like that. Let me get to Steve in Chicago. What up you just listening or Agnel? Just listen it off. Daddy. Dahlby arthritis. On. Still. Finding. com. Six weeks he said. Kokomo. Dues would a Mario you did. You did a great job man when you're when you're on on, you did great with them interviews man I enjoyed your your dialogue with those fighters. Appreciate you. Thank you. A? My question is you guys know? I've been looking I. See those lights like from at one in Russia and Even the I can't find them on the APP like are they going to be broadcast here like? That's a great question man. Who's WHO's Ramona to North fight? I don't even know. If somebody in Russia I, know that Dr. Even the yard. Your fight should be all ESPN plus let me double check on. I don't know grow it has it has zero promotion on their when you type his name, it doesn't even give you his old fight that was on there like. He's nowhere to be found I'm telling you right now Steve has done his homework. He's telling you that something's up with this now. But but but fact that they had yard half Ron and Bentley Gorman you know even though he's off the card now like these fights. have been shown. So it's weird. Something's weird about this. Yeah that's all I. I've been looking for them. I can't find it. I want want to watch some tonight and. Tomorrow during the day but it it will make no sense for them not to air they they literally lay aired. Arthur? Verses Spelman which is the same do the yard is fighting an art or the shooting fight isn't weird I could not getting the broadcast. Yes. He's He's always they got all his shows on ESPN. It's probably just going to be late. But. I hope that you're wrong I I. WanNa see I don't want to have to struggle to see it. The. Best fight off the car pro which was lardy. I wanted me some Lardy Burma Man's going bid. Shot out the richer Lodhi from Ghana Steve. Thanks for calling in ninety we like to party. Loudini. Daddy. He ain't nobody. What a what a what? My. Yeah magazine abuse. Them. Kinda agreed. With your may how we target our questions, you know what I mean 'cause I no. Personally like people who don't like interviewing just because they begin acts like weird as relationship questions weird bad rule type questions is is just become awkward and a lot of times. It's like especially when you account for fight, you already mean Yummy you already grouchy you've gotta work out three times a day. Eating. Right. You don't really feel I sit down with a bunch of dudes giggling about. Stuff they got nothing to do with his fight coming up and it seems less targeted if we can target them, they have really WANNA come back. You have good experience not many people here have a bad experience but if they have some targeted and people asking questions like Dan, they kind of knew a little bit about me, his fans research me to give. Or take. Like look at ain't just like a talk show man that's a real real boxes show x a couple off the wall questions. But mostly they go know your background where you being where you go and then s walk you through their background. So it's a even while we listening he still refreshing. So we could get in more accurate questions. Maybe he stays on that you want more information about so when you go to the question. You could ask a question about that light. Hey Man, what like how did you get right after you got out to join you know I was in a joint managing it took me a long time. How did you find your past is a lot we can do that could benefit the show catch on the booming. I'd say Damn and. Don't look in the news and looking positive. On the hanes twitter. that's a red flag how? It ain't it ain't no ring wall. But speak enough of. Them that is everybody gentleman I mean stone bone is only hugh. O. J.. J.. Just listen it. Be I'm listening. Oh, Shit Sony would up. A Yo, what's up near? Sorry about that was in the. Bank take. A. Talking Doll is the topic of the show I was in and out topic is deontay wilder and Tyson fury trilogy happened in December Nineteenth Bob. Arum said everything's a go look like they're going to have ten fifteen thousand fans in the Legion stadium in Las. Vegas. That's that's up and that is I don't think they're gonNA. Okay. You ten or fifteen thousand year that's not capacity. 'cause that football game last night they have fans in the stands, but they only had like twenty one percent so if they are. But that's twenty. One percent was seventeen thousand people in Kansas Chan. Yeah I know, but then you say. Like, fit say ten to fifteen thousand at their leisure here. Yeah. So I mean at least it's something but I guarantee you that's get snatched up by. Hollywood. So I mean they probably do make a little money on that probably not a lot. They can't be expected to make a lot off the season. What you mean by highly, will you know you know how you got to start to come in their balance there like? Like like the high prices you know what I'm saying, they're going to try to sell those seats for as much as possible. That's what I'm saying. Covert covert is is is. Now. Thank you. No doubt James what a? Hello yes sir. All right now to come outside and asking building can hey my my iphone has been acting up I. Don't know if I miss something but on MP threes like I rely on those MP, threes give me through my days. I never saw the ones for Gary, Russell that whenever get downloaded. ooh Let me because I know you said to stay on you sometimes you miss you you got you can't get freaky. Let me let me titled Be Nice. I can meet a lot accumulated a lot though no I got to listen just don't mind. Don't don't get mad at me and stay on me and I got you it looks like the Gary Russell Yeah, you might be right Chan. My Man is right I put out the guy reversal any other ones? Of Night No. Give me a list of anything you think is missing soccer double check and put him out. I'll do that after I'm done not. Those two right. There I appreciate your map research. All you guys. have going. Threes is Is and if you don't know. Talk about he's talking about the downloadable MP three that is accessible to the fifteen dollars level patriots, and what that does is it alleviates the millions of ads that spotify and speaker put on there So yeah, man you know we gotta eat one way or another. So you choose to be a patriot and support your favorite podcast and then just eliminate. Those ads in have a beautiful listener experience and also be able to download that MP threes. So if you're a truck driver or you're a flight attendant, you know you don't have to worry about Wi fi in downloading because then you know you got to get the nectar Wifi then you can't walk away from that Wifi hotspot download the MP three, which is like. That's Wack when you could just have that Patriot. boop automatically pops into your I tunes or whatever podcast feed no ads, Adlass, Adlass Okay Adlass, but yeah not atlas do me add Lis- atlas not so I heard. On. Stone Bone your hater wants to listen we got is cold are. So my wife's are nothing here and is. Hockey sweating. RUN SMART. They say that I'm changing my wardrobe like. Three times I thought he was general. Now he leaning now. So trying to get some some sponsors he came out with the I lift limbo hundred and. He came out. With the YO, look at my new traps after. He's after I stopped lifting weights and just more boxing I got way more definition. Real let's say I'M GONNA. Tell you something that's crazy that I didn't think would like this whole time that we could that maybe it was going to happen I was worried I was stressing anxiety because I'm like damn. What if I get a fight and they want me to fight await that I can't get to like y'all what if I got to turn this into like a fat camp type of thing Yo that's not the. Case now, like I waited at one, ninety two, which is lowest I've been in like a year and a half Raleigh like end the fights at one, ninety five. So like I'm starting to get to a point where I probably going to lifting weights again, because if I keep doing what I'm doing, I'm probably going to end up being like one, eighty eight by that's on the fight comes that's gunman just keep going down. You'll yeah but it's Like I don't WanNa give him too much weight. But you guys got sixteen ounce gloves ahead Gabbana's not yeah. Right right. I always plan on coming in lower than him. Always 'cause what if you are not a ninety five or eighty five and you like ended up being a seventy five and you just like Gonad you'll get rid in May but. Probably. Any night out to boomerang. Stone Bone. Whatever the? That some great. About the wilder fury. Against the decision for Andy was a lot simpler now to jump on fear wildcard instead of earl car. I'm glad to hear that. These big state members talking about that about places like Dallas and the big stadiums being able to sex in all due to twenty five percent and have plenty of room. You got places with incredible suites like Cowboys Stadium they got sold many sweets that statue could just go to where you don't even interact with people. So you can have your own little all little party in the sweet without even going near that many people. So I a Steph boxing this might be the that's going to be what the first real big event right like everybody else. Now because Earl is the twenty first. So I mean look at had that seventeen thousand cans you know earl and I'm going to do Texas denounce no. No no venue. That's what I said when they announced the date I was like they're not gonNA know venues there because they trying to hold out to the last minute to see how many people can get in there and gone throw earl down there Texas man data. That right there just that percentage of people will make them feel a lot comfortable giving Danny Garcia the whatever he's going to be one, one, seven, five of. Sony's Boomerang. This to hold the I, hate it when I miss. I miss the old folks after like I'm GonNa say something somebody else already spider probably articulate going to say but they probably set in a much better way stone. That's why would her was thrown boneless said on this first call because earls pizzo no of you know NASA probably talked about it. He has a very good relationship with Jerry. Down there. Texas you know. So that is very possible to have his fight at Gerry Stadio 'cause he'll make it happen and as far as the water and. Fighting, in losing the stadium and our hope Andy is on that car just like her SOMOS said it was a possibility because there's one more thing that I said three months ago and use it always for saying that talking about any already got a car at the final on his car. Will you WANNA fight on the undercard one of the big every ways that's always a better spot for him he's in love. And love comfortable. It's definitely gonNA. Happen Texas. Maryland. He just. Hope just dropped the phone. Eagle. Hug You. Good. Yeah. Yeah. I drive your damn phone getting A. Great Show. Last. Couple of. Oku presented. As it a realistic showed ever since the The thing with Devon Haney and I. Don't what was his name Brussel. Brussels going to sign that contract but I don't think he to do it. Now. as far as that could mellow thing Canal you know here's he's going to be right for his next fight they're going to bid. Russell. No cannella he's going to pay for his next fight. On it, there's a possibility heyman. There is person meets twelve absolutely I mean twenty I what? What is this my opinion? But everybody knows everybody realized that that Top. Rank I think we'll make a shot at him. 'cause Bob Arum's loves of. Cannella. I know these PBC didn't Adam. Bob Arum absolutely. Love Canal. I think some why? When they go out to bid and we're GONNA hear from ESPN and and top rank on that. 'CAUSE I. Got Him. I got him trying to get good mellow from office. 'cause we've been talking about Cannella. Agree I agree. He's he set on our interview. You know what? What can for you give them you know what I mean. But the thing is is Kenny land m like you'll go after them. I just here's the thing I think the easy move is PVC like. They got a platform that 'cause because what are they gonna he still fucking with the SPN plus I know the pay per view but it's still it's a weird situation dividian Niagara, falls. You. It was good. was. Out. DNR great show. As always interviews. So when is them too young guys going to? Face off financial but third fucker boards one foot. Deputy going to check that out. That's cool. Look. They look. They look good. They look like they ready to get it on. So That should be good So, wilder in fury is going to be in December of this year. Nineteen for December. NASCAR. I got wilder I'm never going against one man wilder. You know I just I'll be wearing a more costumes but But yeah. Yeah. That's that's my call. Your be safe here, Gabrielle. Nez GTO instagram twitter gotta go no longer buys I. got some workers in my bathroom dogs going crazy and got a it's like a racehorse. Word. On twitter more than Instagram Poos. and. Don't forget to hit that notification bill if you ain't shaking, you ain't bacon with us in the morning. So don't forget to subscribe. We. Appreciate. For Tuning in and burning time with us this morning. And we'll be no longer bison. He gets long. Hey. Say. Goodbye I. Don't have a still Hash Brown today. So let's just a little more time. With. His face. The thousands in attendance and the millions watching around the world. Ladies in judge. On what? Scientific some medicis copy Sanish to son pivot knockouts score for. Fighting. Switzerland's. Linda just daily doesn't make a difference training the distance fans celebrities compensated. Tennis with and. Abuse undeclared traffic. Tickets statements. Said listen to. US There make sure to. To. Stay deployed. Just state. Has. Shift. That's the counted. Talk about here like. Like Yo. Were coming through. The. About boxing this. What. Would you? Talk it about. Modesty with Frank General. What I've talked. Around a final. 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Big Baby Jarrell Miller Could Receive Slap On The Wrist Canelo Like Suspension

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Big Baby Jarrell Miller Could Receive Slap On The Wrist Canelo Like Suspension

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