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Marianne Williamson Would Like to Clarify
"I'm dorothy wickham on today's politics. More podcast david remnant talks with marianne williamson the author of books on spirituality and self help williamson is now running for the democratic presidential nomination. Marianne williamson williamson who's running for the presidential nomination has never held national office. She's never held any political office but she certainly a public figure and like our current. President is an she's been a bestselling author for decades. Her books on self help topics include a woman's worth and healing the soul of america. She's a close friend of oprah's and she frames critique of donald trump not in political terms not in policy terms but in spiritual terms this nana's dan has reached into the psyche of the american people and he's harnessed fear for political purposes so mr president if you're listening. I want you to hear me please you you have harnessed fear for political purposes and only love can cast that up so i saw her. I have a feeling you know what you're doing. I'm going to harness love for political purposes offices. I will meet you on that field and sir level when she impressed some viewers with her convictions however unorthodox and after the first july july debate marianne williamson was the most googled candidate. I spoke with her about her campaign for the democratic nomination early last week. I think the fairest question to ask you is very simple. Why are you running for president. Donald trump being president has changed the world and it's changed the world not only globally in terms of geopolitics but i think personally for many people <hes>. I'm one of millions of people. I'm sure this is true of you. Probably everyone listening to this program to some extent. Nothing is the same in terms of where we see ourselves in relationship to the rest of our lives to our country to the rest of the world and i think think that there's a deep question. We're all asking whether it's inchoate or whether very clear unconscious which is how can i possibly help and i think think we all feel most of us called on some level to use whatever skills we have to try to make like a difference at a time such as this so i challenged the idea that only the people whose careers have been entrenched for years in the limitations of the mindset that drove us into this ditch. H are qualified to lay out of this ditch. I think this is one of these those times in american history that require what is spiritual leader above all well let can we talk talk about the narrative of american history slavery did not end because the political status quo of the time decided to end slavery it ended because with the abolitionist ernest movement that was in fact begun by the early evangelicals and quakers so yes it came from a religious and spiritual foundation people rose up the people stepped in and with civil rights. The political establishment of the time did not wake up and say let's desegregate the south. A baptist preacher named dr martin arthur king and the civil rights movement. The southern christian leadership conference rose up the people stepped in so in fact with every major course correction in terms of social justice than the united it states it has in fact been an intervention by the people themselves and to be honest with you david. Yes it has been centered. Religious spirit absolutely william lloyd garrison plated enormous miss rowe. Martin luther king played an enormous role. Are you putting yourself at that level as a spiritual and inspirational leader absolutely not i did not say that at all all i have been working for thirty five years up close and personal with people whose lives are in crisis and that's one of the things that gives me the inside i have because i've seen what bad public policy does to people's lives. It's what gives me such a passion about changing that bad public policy. I'd been working for years with people who live daily l. e. the economic tension and anxiety created by this oligarch system. The first thing we have to do is to return to principal. This is how you change a <hes> life. This is how you change your country because all the country is is a group of individuals so you have to ask yourself. Where am i and where am i not the person i say i am. <hes> are are the people of the united states need to emotionally and psychologically rebound with the principles of the declaration of independence and those principles are written on marble walls written on parchment but principles dive not alive in us. I'm curious about your tactical emphasis or or your were your genuine emphasis on harnessing emotions. Why do you see that as crucial to beating trump what has happened in this country and what this happened. In many places in this world is that the worst aspects of human character had been harnessed for political purposes racism bigotry anti-semitism <hes> homophobia xenophobia islamaphobia sarah. No intelligent observer thought that these things didn't exist exists in the united states but we thought we had reached a point. We thought we have reached consensus. Several decades ago where there were lines pest which we would not go on either are left or right that no political major political entity would give a megaphone to any of these voices. Those levees have have fallen now. The problem is not that they're more haters than decent loving good people. That's not the problem. The problem is that the haters in this country have become collectivized for political purposes. There are a lot of wonderful decent loving really good people out there. We harness all that and change the world. When you become president you enter a world of mitch mcconnell u._n. To a world of <hes> a senate that is very unlikely to be <hes> majority democratic you enter. You're a world of all kinds of political realities in obstructions <hes> and difficulties what would happen on january twentieth. When you you become president united states what would in marion williamson administration look like there are four pillars to the moral politics that i believe that we need aid in this country at this point first of all it has to do with a moral economy trickle down. Economics is an amoral system that has led to immoral consequences so my sense of what needs to change economically holding capitalism accountable. I consider myself a capitalist but i think we need capitalism with a conscience and ours is meaning terms of policy but we need to repeal the two thousand seventeen tax cut put back in the middle class tax cut. Stop the corporate subsidies. Why do we pay twenty six billion dollars in in subsidies to the fossil fuel companies loan. The government needs to take back its own negotiating power with big pharmaceutical companies. We need to look how much of our military budget is actually money that the military said that they need to provide for legitimate security concerns and how much above that is money that has to do with short expenditures terzic mainly have to do with short-term profit maximization for defense contractors and i agree with elizabeth we knew that three percent tax on the assets of billionaires and two percent tax on the assets the fifty million and more these kinds of changes on a pure policy level that will begin to transition back to a functioning democracy and not just a function in corpus crecy or oligarchy what would in williamson administration look like who would you bring to the fore and a cabinet in your presidency so first of all all the people in my cabinet. I've been it would have to have a lot of experience in in government but they would also have the consciousness that i wish to bring so my attorney general for instance would have to be someone exquisitely aware and alert to the racial disparities in our criminal sentencing in in policing and so forth and i would also what my attorney general to be someone who is it's very aware of white collar crime and also very alert to the issues of voter suppression so really strong kick ass progressive attorney general yeah kick ass happening now in terms of state well pretty funny about secretary of state because my idea of secretary of state the my fantasy secretary secretary of state is outside the box but i thought wow this person would be perfect and then i recently read that person say in the new york times about my appearance in one of the debates. He said that woman shouldn't even and beyond the stage who resigned. I thought nicholas kristof would be the best secretary of state that he series secretary of the times columnist yeah and because his geopolitical understanding the handing of what is going on in this world is so to me he would be and then what you get under him are the lieutenants right but then i read that he can't stand me so i know well. Oh you probably wouldn't want to work for me. Have you met donald trump now. I saw him once i i'm. I was at mar a lago for a party when he was married to marla trump yep maple's right now. How long ago was that. It was a fundraiser for an aid organization. I had found it so it would probably have been in in the ninety s and back then. Was you think of him. I've thought about him what i think. A lot of people did he was like this vulgar american character. I i didn't hate him. I thought he was you know. My mother would have had a word for him. <hes> yiddish word we allow it is a word but i wouldn't have you know at that time and this is something that i find very mysterious. Actually if you look at interviews with him from the eighties he was really different. He even look different which makes me think i gives me my own theories about what's involved in all this. Which is when you see. Some it features on someone's face turns out much. I'll leave it at that but he even when he just aging. What are we talking about. Do your research david but he would wear it. What does that mean. I'm not i don't wanna i don't wanna go into that. It's just that i think that there are a lot of people who have who finds a lot very curious about the president but i don't want to go into any of that but i will say this when he talked about politics so but you're running on a on a on a an admirably probably a policy of being straightforward about what you mean. I'm not running on a on a campaign of personal demonization a per per a personal attack. I can keep it to my conversations about the president's announce policies and that's all i want to do and that's all i would want to do if i if it doesn't matter character absolutely does matter but we were. We were getting into areas here that went beyond character and i don't. I need to tell the american people the president's character because the president's character is very obvious for all to see now. I i know this has come up and i know it's controversial. You and i know there have been different statements on us. I wanna get you on the record and as a parent of someone with a severely autistic child <hes> i wanna get straight what you think think about vaccinations. I'm just not quite clear on whether you're an anti vaccine her i am not or you're somewhere in the middle or you think. Vaccinations explanations are right and necessary as i do. A vaccinations have looked at smallpox look at polio. Where would we be without a vaccination saxon. Save lives and anytime that there is a medical intervention. There's benefit and there's also risk and the government absolutely must come down on the side of of the public good. I made an admittedly sloppy comment about the removal of exempt. Shell us what the comment was and how you would correct. I said that they were draconian. I said that they were or well. I said well that sounds. It's kind of orwellian in coney to me to remove all the exemptions and how would you say it now. I would not say that it was a sloppy comment that a presidential candidate should not have said career enough and so in other words what you're saying is to save for example the parents the many many parents in fact in in the los angeles area who are <hes> look trying to get out of vaccines that have to measles. They're wrong the issue of a lot of those people that i've heard i've heard legitimate questions of people wanting to know. Why can't the measles vaccine vaccine be a separate vaccine. I don't find people who ask those questions to be a bunch of crazy out there boxers. I think that everybody is just concerned about the health of our children well. That's fair enough but sometimes even the most earnest and right minded people are just scientifically wrong indeed and the government has to make the decision that based on its evaluation scientific evaluation is in the best interest of the public and that's what i would do as president. You've been running for president now for a bit and i wonder what you've learned from it. You've gotten you've had some good moments. Particularly the second debate you you got god knows twitter rushton behind. You and you got an enormous amount of n. Google is well what we've gotten and then you've got some coverage that portray you as a kind of crystal-gazing kook. You've you've gotten all this <hes>. How do you respond respond to the experience the life experience of running for president for at least a few months it certainly like it's certainly a challenge went to practice what you preach <hes> i. I know this sounds naive. I didn't think the left was so mean. I didn't think the left lied like this. I thought the right that i thought we were better. We've been in you've been getting it. What's been unfair. What tell me well come on. I'm not you just mentioned crystal-gazing. There is no crystal in my home david. There's never been a crystal on stage when i've talked. I have never told an aids patient not to take their medicine. I've never told anyone not to take their medicine. I've never told anyone that they're they're loveless. Nece created their disease of never told anyone they could love enough to cure their disease. I'm jewish. I go to the doctor i the this idea that i'm that person and let's entertain the possibility that you don't go to the presidency. Is there a way to lose well here in other words to have an effect while losing and what would of course well. I feel to be honest david. I've already impacted this conversation with the other candidates talking about reparations. They wouldn't be talking about reparations. If i've i had not open that up and made it at pillar of my campaign. Are you saying you introduce. Reparations is campaign is certainly did and i hope took surprise to cory booker not come as a surprise burger gore would say yep. She's really did look at my website went. From the moment i announced in january. I talked about reparations in my opening speech. I i wrote about reparations in healing sole of america. My book that came out in nineteen nineteen ninety-seven it has been on my website is part of my main pillar of my campaign since the very beginning in january and i have talked about the difference between race is based policies and reparations. I have a very very extensive conversation about that and absolutely us right now. As i understand that you are not scheduled to be in the next day i have one hundred thirty thousand unique donors. I got ta to percents <hes> at the mouth poll yesterday dislike <hes> julian castro did a better iraq did <hes> i just yesterday morning was asking myself what's the messenger mazdas to just wrap it up and i thought well let my trip to new hampshire told me and when hundreds of people showing coming up and everywhere i go people in airports go. Don't you leave your stay in there okay but that happens in fairness that happens to any candidate ended eight. Who's who's doing the work who's running around new hampshire and iowa people. Come up and say stay there <hes> that get what i got at. At what point do you say in other words. What's the determining the point. I'll know it in my heart but it's not yet. I'm running for president marianne williamson. Thank you so much. Thank you so much marianne williamson who's running for the democratic nomination <music>.
Marianne Williamson Would Like to Clarify
"The new yorker radio hour supported by indeed dot com. Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash new yorker. That's indeed dot com slash new yorker the one world trade center in manhattan. This is the new new york radio out a co production of new yorker and w._n._y._c. studios <music>. Welcome to the new yorker radio hour. I'm david ramnik. Marianne williamson jason who's running for the presidential nomination has never held national office. She's never held any political office but she certainly public figure and like our current president. She's been a bestselling author for decades. Her books on self help topics include a woman's worth and healing the soul of america. She's a close his friend oprah's and she frames critique of donald trump not in political terms not in policy terms but in spiritual terms this man reached into the psyche of the american people and he's harnessed fear for political purposes so mr president if you're listening. I want you to hear me please. You have harness fear for political purposes and only love can cast that up so i- sir. I have a feeling you know what you're doing. I'm going to harness love for political purposes breath. I will meet you on that field and sir level when she impressed some viewers with her convictions however unorthodox and after the first july a debate marianne williamson was the most googled candidate. I spoke with her about campaign for the democratic nomination early last week. I think the fairest this question to ask you is very simple. Why are you running for president. Donald trump being president has changed the world and it's changed the world not not only globally in terms of geopolitics but i think personally for many people <hes>. I'm one of millions of people. I'm sure this is true of you. Probably everyone listening to this program. Welcome to some extent. Nothing is the same in terms of where we see ourselves in relationship to the rest of our lives to our country to the rest of the world and i think that there's there's a deep question. We're all asking whether it's inchoate or whether very clear unconscious which is how can i possibly help and i think we all feel most of us called on some level to use whatever skills we have to try to make a difference difference over time such as this so i challenged the idea that only the people whose careers have been entrenched for years in the limitations of the mindset that drove us into this ditch. The are qualified to lead us out of this ditch. I think this is one of these those times in american history that require what is spiritual leader above all well let can we talk about the narrative of american history slavery did not end because the political status quo of the time decided to end slavery it ended because with the abolitionist movement movement that was in fact begun by the early evangelicals and quakers so yes it came from a religious and spiritual foundation people rose up the people stepped in and with civil rights. The political establishment of the time did not wake up and say let's desegregate the south. A baptist preacher named dr martin luther king king and the civil rights movement. The southern christian leadership conference rose up the people stepped in so in fact with every major course correction in terms of social justice in the united states hates it has in fact been an intervention by the people themselves and to be honest with you david. Yes it has been centered in religious spirit. Absolutely william lloyd garrison played an enormous role will martin luther king pleaded enormous row. Are you putting yourself at that level as a spiritual and inspirational leader absolutely not i did not say that at all i have been working for thirty five years up close and personal with people whose lives are in crisis and that's one of the things that gives me the inside i have because i've seen what bad public policy does to people's lives. It's what gives me such a passionate about changing that bad public policy. I'd been working for years with people who live daily the economic tension and anxiety created by this oligarch system. The first thing we have to do is to return to principal. This is how you change a life. This is how you change your country because all the country is is a group of individuals so you have to ask yourself. Where am i and where am i not the person i say i am are are the people of the united states need to emotionally and psychologically rebound with the principles of the declaration of independence and those principles are written on marble walls written on parchment but principles dive do not live in us. I'm curious about your tactical emphasis or or your you genuine emphasis on harnessing emotions. Why do you see that as crucial to beating trump what has happened in this country and but as happened happen in many places in this world is that the worst aspects of human character had been harnessed for political purpose racism bigotry anti-semitism <hes> <hes> homophobia xenophobia islam phobia sarah. No intelligent observer thought that these things didn't exist in the united states but we thought we had reached a point. We thought we have reached a consensus several decades ago where there were lines pest which we would not go on either left after right that no political major political entity would give a megaphone to any of these voices. Those levees have fallen now. The problem is not that they're more haters than decent loving good people. That's not the problem the problem is that the haters in this this country has become collectivized for political purposes. There are a lot of wonderful decent loving really good people out there. We harness all that and change the world. When you become come president you enter a world of mitch mcconnell you end to a world of <hes> a senate that is very unlikely to be <hes> majority democratic you enter a world of all kinds of political realities and obstructions <hes> and difficulties what would happen on january twentieth when you become i'm president united states what would in marion williamson administration look like there are four pillars to the moral politics that i believe that we need in this country at this point first of all how do with a moral economy trickle down economics is an immoral system that has led to immoral consequences so my sense of what what needs to change economically holding capitalism accountable. I consider myself a capitalist but i think we need. Capitalism with a conscience and ours is meaning terms of policy. Well we need to repeal the two thousand seventeen tax cut put back in the middle class tax cut. Stop the corporate subsidies. Why do we pay twenty. Six billion dollars in subsidies subsidies to the fossil fuel companies alone. The government needs to take back its own negotiating power with big pharmaceutical companies. We need to look how much of our military budget is is actually money that the military said that they need to provide for legitimate security concerns and how much above that is money that has to do a short expenditures that mainly have to do with short-term profit maximization for defense contractors and i agree with elizabeth. We knew that three percent tax on the assets billionaires in two percent tax on the assets of fifty million and more these are the kinds of changes on a pure policy level that will begin to transition us back to a functioning democracy and not just a function in corporate takahiro org arcade. What would an williamson administration look like. Who would you bring to the fore and a cabinet in your presidency. So first of all all the people in my cabinet would would have to have a lot of experience in in government but they would also have the consciousness that i wished to bring so my attorney general for instance would have to be someone exquisitely aware where and alert to the racial disparities in our criminal sentencing in in policing and so forth and i would also what my attorney general to be someone who is very very aware of white collar crime and also very alert to the issues of voter suppression so really strong kick ass progressive attorney general yeah kick ass happening absolutely girls now in terms of gratuity of state. Well pretty funny about secretary of state because my idea of secretary of state the my fantasy secretary terry of state is outside the box but i thought wow this person would be perfect and then i recently read that person's say in the new york times about my appearance and then one of the debates. He said that woman shouldn't even be on on the stage who resigned. I thought nicholas kristof would be the best secretary of state that he's secretary of the times columnist yeah and because his geopolitical understanding ending of what is going on in this world is so to me he would be and then what you get under him are the lieutenants right but then i read that he can't stand me so i know well. He probably the work from me. Have you met dolor now. I saw him once. I i was at mar a lago for a party when he was married to marla trump the larvae maples. How long ago was that. It was a fundraiser for an aid organization. I found it <hes> so it would probably have been in the nineties nine days and back then. What did you think of him. I thought about him when i think a lot of people did he was like this vulgar american character. I didn't didn't hate him. I thought it was you know. My mother would have had a word for him. Yet is working. We allow the word but i i wouldn't have you know at that time and this is something that i find very mysterious. Actually if you look at interviews with him from the eighties he was really different. He even looked different which makes me think i gives me my own theories about what's involved in all this. Which is when you see. Some features feature on someone's face change that much a leave it at that but he even when he not just aging. What are we talking about do research david but he would wear it. What does that mean. I'm not i don't wanna i don't wanna go into that. It's just that i think that there are a lot of people who have who who finds a lot very curious about the president but i don't wanna go into any of that but i will say this when he talked about politics. You're running on a on a on a an admirably ah policy of being straightforward about what you mean. I'm not running on a on a campaign of personal demonization of per per a personal attack. I can keep it to my conversations about the president's policies policies and that's all i want to do and that's all want to do if i if it doesn't matter character absolutely does matter but we were we were getting into areas here that went beyond character and i don't need to to tell the american people the president's character because the president's character is very obvious for all to see now i i know this has come up and i know it's controversial and and i know there have been different. Statements on i wanna get you on the record and as a parent of someone with a severely autistic child <hes>. I want to get straight what you think about about vaccinations. I'm just not quite clear on whether you're an anti vaccine. I am not your somewhere in the middle or you think. Vaccinations nations are right and necessary as i do. A vaccinations have a look at smallpox look at polio. Where would we be without vaccinations. Oxygen save lives and anytime that there is a a medical intervention. There's benefit and there's also risk and the government absolutely must come down on the side of of the public good. I made an admittedly sloppy comment about the removal of exempt. Shell us what the comment was in how you would correct it. I said that they were conan. I said that they were orwellian. I said well that sounds kind orwellian and jacobean to me to remove all the exemptions and how would you say it now. I would not say that it was a sloppy comment that a presidential candidate should not have said fair enough and so in other words what you're saying is to save for example the parents the many many parents in fact in in the los angeles area who are <hes> trying to get out of vaccines that have to with measles. They're wrong the issue of a lot of those people that i've heard that i've heard that legitimate questions of people wanting to know why can't the missiles vaccine ania separate maxine. I don't find people who ask those questions to be a bunch of crazy anti vaccine. I think that everybody is just concerned about the health of. I told her well. That's fair enough but sometimes even the most earnest and right minded people are just scientifically wrong indeed and the government has to make the decision that based on its evaluation scientific evaluation is in the best interest of the public and that's what i would do as president. You've been running for president now for a bit and i. I wonder what you've learned from it. You've gotten you've had some good moments particularly in second debate you you got god knows twitter rushton behind you and you got an enormous amount of endless goes well what happened and then you found some coverage that portray you as a kind of crystal-gazing kook. You've you've gotten all this <hes>. How do you respond into the experience the life experience of running for president for at least a few months. It's certainly a like. It's certainly a challenge to to practice what you preach <hes> i. I know this sounds naive. I didn't think the left was so mean. I didn't think the left lied like this. I thought the right that that i thought we were better. We're even in you've been getting it. What's been unfair unfair. What tell me well come on. I'm not you just mentioned crystal-gazing. There is no crystal in my home david. There's never been a crystal on stage when i've talked. I've never told an aids eight patient not to take their medicine. I've never thought anyone not to take their medicine. I've never told anyone that they're they're loveless. Nece created their disease of never told anyone could love enough to cure their disease. I'm jewish. I go to the doctor. I did this idea that i'm that person. Let's entertain the possibility that you don't go to the presidency. <hes> is there a way to lose well here in other words to have an effect while losing and what would of course well. I feel to be honest david. I fell have already impacted this conversation with the other candidates. Talking about reparations wouldn't be talking about reparations. If i i do not open that up and made at pillar of my campaign. Are you saying you introduce. Reparations is campaign certainly did and i hope you will commits a surprise to cory booker not come as a surprise going burger gore would say yup. She sure did look at my website went. From the moment i announced announced in january. I talked about reparations in my opening speech. I i wrote about reparations in healing sole of america my book that came out in nineteen ninety seven it has been on my website as part of my main pillar of my campaign since the very beginning in january and i have talked about the difference between race based as policies and reparations. I have a very very extensive conversation about that and absolutely us right now. As i understand it you are are not scheduled to be in the next day. I have the hundred thirty thousand unique donors. I got to percents <hes> at the mouth poll yesterday. Just like arlon castro did a better work. Did <hes> i just yesterday morning was asking myself. What's the messenger qua supposed to just wrap it up and i thought well let my trip to new hampshire told me and when hundreds of people showing up and everywhere i go people in airports go. Don't you leave your staying there okay but that happens in in fairness that happens to any candidate eight. Who's who's doing the work who's running around new hampshire and iowa people. Come up and say stay there. <hes> get what i got. At at. What point do you say in other words. What's the determinative foul not point. I'll know it in my heart but it's not yet. I'm running for president marianne williamson. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Marianne williamson who's running for the democratic nomination. I'm david remnant and that's the new yorker radio hour for today. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Talking Hall of Fame, 2019 Giants with Matt Williamson
"Are you troubled by strange hockey trades in the middle of the night. Do you experienced feelings of dread about n._h._l. Free agency have you or your family ever seen it new york rylander scam if the answer's yes don't wait another minute pick up your mobile device and subscribe to lighthouse hockey podcasts from espy nation. Today are courteous and efficient hosts <music> are ready to serve all of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for new york islanders fans yeah hello and welcome to a new edition of the valentine's views podcast here. You're on big blue view radio part of the s._p. Nation family of podcasts. I'm your host ed valentine and today we're going to talk a little bit of vote of giants football as the giants get ready to face the new york jets in their two thousand nineteen preseason opener and here to help me break down <hes> the giants breakdown training camp break down a little bit of <hes> of expectations for the giants in two thousand and nineteen is matt williamson williamson occasional contributor here at big blue view and host of the locked on n._f._l. Podcast matt thank you very much. Thank thank you ed great. How's things going good good. You're you're busy these days. I keep getting messages from you that you're that you're driving back and forth and going to pittsburgh steelers practices a lot these days yeah one of my many hats i wear as i am on healer nation radio regularly and we're doing shows from camp almost every day. It's about an hour and a half from my house so i pretty much live in the dorms like the players and seacombe from time to time to mow the lawn and those type of things so you know don't don't we ever kind of grow up from from dorms and hotel rooms and stuff. It's fine manners. There's like community showers and it's true dorm lights but the food's good in the atmosphere is good and go to watering hole in the evening and hang with the some of the people from the team and whatnot so defined environment but it wears on you a little bit too there. You go yeah i'm doing. I'm two and a half hours from <hes> from metlife stadium from where the giants train and i've been going back and forth a little bit. I usually try to hang out. You know spend a couple of days there. When when i go oh you know put myself up in a hotel and in in in in stay for a couple of days at a time yeah i don't blame you. It's good stuff so hey okay. Let's <hes> let's talk about. Let's talk about the giants a little bit. <hes> i was interested. We just had <hes> hall of fame weekend. The latest <hes> enshrined ease into the hall of fame. You did a post for us on the on the two thousand twenty class on the guys that <hes> on on the former players that you would like to see enshrined in in twenty twenty which is a year when they're going to expand the class first of all. Are you cool with them. Expanding the class for one year sort of in <hes> in honor of the of the centennial sort of i mean i think it's a cool idea it something different but i'm watching you know the guys given their speech a couple of days ago thinking what if there were twenty of these. He's just take all week long enough as a._r. And my problem with it and i love hall of fame pocket head i really do i. I talked about a lot of my podcasts and i prefaced by saying. All these guys are great players. Obviously and we're talking about the ugliest girls at the beauty pageants so to speak but with all respect to the veterans get in isn't one a year plenty and i almost feel like they deserve their own wing thing because hey guys again it sounds callous but you weren't good enough to get him the first time around and now all of a sudden and of them. I just don't see the logjam the the same way they do. I mean i came up with some names on that article. That are the guys that are expected to get in but none of them jumped off the page to me like wow what a travesty that elsie greenwood's not in the hall of fame i mean i think they're all borderline guys or guys. It shouldn't in the first time around they had plenty of opportunities and now we're sick ten of them. In i mean to me it's not the same as when word sailor goes i i tend to agree with that. I mean you're either hall of famer or you're not and right. If you're if you're not a hall of famer the first six times a year on the ballot. What makes you a hall of famer the seventh time you're on on the ballot i get it. I yeah i yeah i feel the same way about the baseball hall of fame. It's like if you get thirty percent of the vote. You know the first time. Why are you still on the ballot right. I mean it's not like your resume changes. I mean you're done playing. Many of these. Guys haven't played for many many a moon and people don't even know who some of them are <hes> again. I'm sure they're wonderful players. I'm sure they're wonderful human beings but to me they should have their own wing or at a separate section and along those lines one thing i do like though is more contributors and more coaches going in so so <hes> i don't have a problem with maybe an extra one of the one or two of those guys going into this upcoming year but the veterans who played back in one thousand nine hundred fifty that weren't enough to get in the first time around. I just don't see it. It's interesting you went to the contributors because i was actually going to go there our next and it sort of the other side of the coin. I mean here. I am saying you know what if you're not a hall of famer the first x number of times. You're on on the ballot then then. Why are you won the seventh or eighth time. You're on the ballot and i'm one who for years and years now has beaten the drum for for former giants general manager george young as a hall of famer. I for the life of me have never understood why this man who did so much to turn around the giants franchise a guy who still referenced in the hallways when you talk talk to people there a guy who many of his philosophies still impact that organization today i for the life of me understand why he can't even get to be a finalist. I'm kind of with you on that one to it to me when you talk about contributors to the n._f._l. He seems like the definition of it to me. I mean he in a way. I guess pun intended. He was a giant in his field. The old and i do think what's different about them as opposed to the committee that we just saw the veteran players we talked about is i kind of feel like the contributors. There's coaches got a little bit of the short end of the stick for a lot airs. He did a ton yeah he did in you know so it's <hes> it's it's to me i just i don't understand that. I hope that that this time with the expanded now number of contributors going in. I hope this time you know the hall of fame voters will will will rectify that but i'm not optimistic because as i said he doesn't seem to even get the support to <hes> to be considered a finalist yep if it doesn't happen this year. I think he's in trouble. Yeah you're probably right. It's <hes> it's it's tough but anyway. Let's <hes> let's talk about the the current new york giants and you know there was an interesting piece from from bill barnwell in e._s._p._n. The other day listing the giants as despite fight you know everything that went on this off season and and the disparaging thoughts about dave gettleman i mean he was listing the giants as one of his five teams that he felt was most likely to improve. You know not that. He felt like they were very good but he was looking at that five win bar and thinking that they should do better than that means d. Do you think that this is a team that that despite all of all all of the the controversy over cattlemans moves is more or less pointed in the right direction. I have mixed feelings on that and red barn. Wells call them. I i like him. I think he's a really good analyst. He has a really strong football outsiders background in background and the antics tell you that the giants should rebound you know for all the reasons bill mentioned and i urge everyone to check that out but i'm not sure that piss passes. Ask the smell test for me. I mean it's a i think it's a difficult division. I mean the two teams that are clearly better than them and i have a hard time envisioning asian them having even league average quarterback play in two thousand nineteen <hes> i think cattleman has gotten too much criticism criticism. I mean i. I wrote a couple articles for you. Guys mentioning how i thought he created a nice nest for landing spot for a quarterback <hes> working working on the offensive line. The defense is going to take time but it's a a youth movement there <hes> i just think that in the end i wouldn't have taken jones. I you know i just don't think he's worthy of that kind of pick and that's where the future i mean it's really dependent on one guy. Unfortunately maybe he hits. Maybe he proves ruseler wrong. Many quarterbacks have but he would not have been my selection and yeah. I mean i've been wrong about quarterbacks before but jones to me was not a first round talent alan. He's not a future franchise quarterback. He would not have been my selection but unfortunately well. I mean if this happens a lot of teams. The giants go as far as jones will take him over the next. Several years and gettleman is going to be tied for tied with them to him forever. <hes> hopefully hits hopefully. I'm i'm wrong because i do think there's somewhat of a good infrastructure there for him to come in and be comfortable but for the short term i don't see the giants being even league averages quarterback because they shouldn't <hes> we'll see for the long term i do see some optimism and some signs signs you from my perspective that other areas of the roster especially with some young players. I think gettleman did a good job job. In the twenty eighteen draft you know with with barclay. I mean just based on the talent alone with barclay with will hernandez you know bringing in some some core players i think b._j. Hill is stepping up. I know the giants are excited about lorenzo carter this year he's having in a nice camp and a lot is riding on his development for the giants because they're so desperate for pass rush and this this draft aft- class if he hits with a couple of those cornerbacks if owes shane's immunised turns into turns out to be a pretty decent player this draft class could could also be a good one so there are some signs that areas of the roster are improving but but it it is all gonna come come back to whether jones is what gettleman thinks he is yeah and i agree with everything he said and i do think these past two off-season especially the draft but also guys like zeitler are building blocks. I mean our quality young players. <hes> i think the defensive tackle position you mentioned the corner position. We'll see you on the edge guys but there's upside there <hes> so i do think you know certainly at guard with hernandez barclay star. We know that so. I do think there are pieces is in place but like said too. I mean i mean jones is going to be the key of course organizations and you know. I think ideally takes over sooner than later. Shows promise isn't going to go to the pro bowl this year anything and then they have one more big off season around them then. We might be having a different conversation at you're now. Let's take a quick break for a word from our sponsors and we'll come right back here on the valentine's views tied cast and continue our conversation with matt williamson. Hey i'm spencer hall. I'm holly anderson. I'm ryan nanny. 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About your two thousand nineteen new york giants people have asked me gettleman settlement and pat shurmur have talked about improvement because they're never going to put a number of wins on it. They're never going to say we have to make the playoffs and and i've made the case that i think if some of these pieces show promise if these young defenders show promise if gebriel peppers apper looks like what the giants think he is if this offensive line plays a little bit better and maybe the giants are able to add a young piece to that in the draft next year ear no matter what the number of wins is you can make an argument that there's been improvement especially if jones uh-huh gets to play and looks like he can play quarterback in the n._f._l. Yes i think that's very true. I think there's a lot of a lotta guys on the team where you could certainly say their best football is ahead of them and if eighty percent of those guys that we've brought up in the last couple of questions or so are or what we think they can be then yeah then you do have an infrastructure then you do have some star power in the making <hes> you do. I know people are very critical cattleman for taking can barkley over darnold but he's superstar and i mean he can put the offense on his back and guide them through some tough waters. Hopefully i think again with better blocking and you know guys like evan ingram around and we mentioned him. I think he's a really good player as well but yeah i mean so yeah i mean it's not all doom and gloom. That's for sure you're one of the other questions that i get from giants fans. All the time matt is is how long will all the giants ownership give dave gentlemen in pat shurmur to get this right and i you know people say oh they if they win three games four games this year gettleman has to be fired. Pat shurmur has to be fired and i'm one who thinks that probably especially with the drafting of daniel jones but y you know but also because you're trying to build that young poor and you're building so much on the around the draft that this you know gettleman in n. Shurmur especially gettleman has probably built himself a little bit of a window here of of two or three years or so to see how this all pans out to be who knows what ownership will do. I mean we know how the league works. People get fired all the time. You know what a quarter of the league changed coaches this year but i think to be fair to those two judging them after the season is too the harsh is too quick i would give it to i mean i wanna see jones producing all those young players. We talked about getting better one more off-season in the books to kinda build it in his likeness and around the way the coach wants it but to be fair i think they need to give these guys two more years and if it's going it's clearly going in the right direction and they're to the point at that stage of the game where they're you know borderline playoff team or maybe eighty better who knows or certainly a formidable organization then you keep them and if things are <hes> wheel and and you're not winning games then you move on all right matt we've got a preseason game coming up on thursday and the giants of course get to a place sam darnold in the new york jets although i don't think darnold will play so preseason is preseason is pretty much here. I know you'll probably maybe <hes> you'll probably be in pittsburgh or or following the steelers around a little bit. Why don't you just tell people if they don't know where they can find your work where they can where they can find you on twitter yeah. I'm at williams and n._f._l. When you mentioned my podcast locked on n._f._l. Doing that daily <hes> those are the best places to check me out so much and this is all right matt. We'll talk to you soon. All right giants fans are thanks to matt williamson for spending some time with us as we always encourage you guys please be sure to subscribe to big movie radio on on all of your favorite podcast applications. Thank you very much and we'll talk to you soon bye bye. Are you troubled by strange. Hockey trades to the middle of the night. Do you experience feelings of dread about n._h._l. Free agency have you or your family ever seen it new york islanders game. If the answer is yes then don't wait another minute it pick up your mobile device and subscribe to lighthouse hockey podcasts from espy nation today. 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Talking Raiders with Matt Williamson
"UFC Two fifty kicks off this Saturday and draftkings the leader in one day. Fantasy sports is giving you a free shot at a one million dollar top prize with your first deposit. It's easy to play and for a limited time draft kings is offering both new and existing users a deposit bonus up to five hundred dollars download the draftkings at now and use Promo Code SP nation to get a free shot at the one million dollar top prize with your first deposit. That's Promo Code SBA nation to get a free shot at one million dollars with your first deposit, only at draftkings minimum five dollar deposit required deposit bonus requires a twenty five times playthrough. Restrictions apply see. DRAFTKINGS DOT COM for details. Hey everybody. This is Bill Williamson this silver and black pride. This is Tuesday June second and we have a great special guest another. Guy That I worked with for years of Matt Williamson. Matt is a former NFL scalise workday ESPN. He's works at several places does a lot of podcasts. This is no BS whenever I needed somebody when we work together. Even that wasn't working together and I just wanted something on anybody. Matt would know it. I really feel like that man i. Knew the fifty-three pretty much every Every teams I appreciate you how you doing man. I. In guys you're saying that's like boy. We have done a lot together back to our ESPN days and We'd probably just throw it out there. We had that no relation podcast. It was just here and there, because of our last names were not related, but we've done a lot of work together. It's been a blast. Gets together. Yeah Yeah we Get hopefully you know sometime in the future man because I really respect you on. That's why one have you on this raiders? PODCAST. I think we say this. Every year that the raiders are one of the more intriguing teams for whatever reason you know, good or bad and I. I think this year you know as we sit here on June second. We can say the same thing that this is intriguing team. As it moved to Las, Vegas your thoughts on that? Profile people running. That we've seen in the media and young. Route. and. You're moving to Vegas. I mean obviously that's huge news alley. People talked about that enough because all the craziness in the world right now and then it's it's you're you're getting into? Your inner longer, the new team in the new coach GM. Time to shake this sort of winning games. You've had a lot of draft picks over the last couple of years, a lot of money to spend in capsule, young cap money and now time to start putting that product on the field. So I for this team this hard turning the corner, but I think so really tough be! Your get a little bit, too, but you're exactly right. This is the time I think it's no more okay. Let's you know their acute team. There know there's somebody to watch. No, we've been through this. This is a team that you know to sixteen. They won twelve games, and then they stumbled seven next year, and then they made the change with Gruden. This is his third year. They've they've had money? They've spent it. They've added a lot of guys. I don't know of seven nine eight eight. Really does it this year. I think we WANNA. See Nine wins. Tens even better especially when you've got seven teams in the playoffs I mean this is a team that needs to make a playoff run. Don't you think? Yeah, or at least make A. Step forward you. A noticeable better product on the field a little more identity on both sides of the ball. Really have a feel for where they're going. They're plan a lot of these young players getting better, the Cleveland Ferrell's of the World Abrahams and all these guys they've drafted and I'm not sure that the record has to be nine ten wins. Make the push for the playoffs as marches. I WanNa see general progress all the US they've invested in these on. On the right way to plan starting to come together, yeah, by the year remember this is team that was six and four last year, and you know finished one in five so I think in a in a in a AFC that was kind of you know blowing gas at the bottom of the conference. As far as you know, the five six seven teams, you know. They went into the final weeks as with a chance, so I want to see. I think I think I want to see a strong finish I. WanNa see a team that can, and it's nine seven, and and you're the. If team in the playoffs. You know you'd fall just out of the playoff picture. That's okay you. We you'll get better next year. I'm with you I wanna see that sustained. Progress Improvement Is there anybody on this roster that you just love? There's a lot of them. I mean most of them on the offensive side of the ball. Offensive Line in general is really appealing to the supposed very physical, but doesn't compromise athleticism and Colton Miller's guy. That's improving i. mean the whole offense in general to me is really intriguing. You know I mean I think Jacobs is going to be a bell cal type back on though that they're gonNA throw him the ball. As much as people want. Like in the fast and community I think cars coming off a very good year, and probably get some more criticism than he rightly regretfully deserves, and then they got a lot of passengers now, maybe starting with waller, but then all the receivers who I mean I. Really like the Edwards pick is one that I loved neither I I am predicting. not this year, but in two thousand twenty one I think Edwards deleting receiver. Yeah I can see that I mean. I I've seen the Cleveland. The keenan Allen comparisons the. I've talked to people that were around him. College and they say this guy just has makeup of. A really solid NFL receiver. So. Yeah, I really liked that big. Did you like the rugs? Pick at with the other receivers on the board? Yeah. Judy was the best of the best prospect wide receiver position, and then I would have went lamb that I would have went wrong and I. think that there's some people saying I don't understand it. Henry Rugs pick their car. Cars never got throw DVD's I. Think this down deal thrower. I don't think that's fair because I. think rugs is more than just just a petty in Sean Jackson. Run fast outside the numbers guy and get him on the slants. Really good act of the catch and to me. That fits car really well, but what I said about rugs before the draft was, you might not be my number one receiver on the board but I bet he impacts a-team. He goes to more than any receiver in the draft immediately and what I mean by that is okay. Maybe car isn't patent homes in terms of extending plays in Siren, the ball downfield but rugs taking the top. Top off and I. Don't love that Cliche, but sure makes a lot of room for Renfro Waller and the out of the Backfield, and makes it an awful lot harder to stack the box when you and Hannibal Jacobs over and over with a big physical wine, so I don't think I want rugs on my fantasy team, so to speak, but I won the impact. He has on the other ten players on the field into defense. You know I've I've said that on this show after the draft is that? I didn't love that. Pick on the first round because I don't know of the three guys. Judy Lamb and rubs. I have the least confidence in being a true number one but after. The second night and they added. INBOUND JUNIOR! They added Edwards. It all makes sense it was all this is A. This is a recipe draft by Jon. GRUDEN Maybach. It was all to fit the overall offensive playbook, and I think those three guys so I think because of the all the guys they have around now. I think rugs even more important because his rose more defined and he doesn't have to be. The true number one that they have a real and Samba piece offense. Ever catch eighty balls ninety goals, maybe not but nothing, but we won't be because complaining about that. But nothing terrifies defense coordinators than a guy can be on one place. I mean obviously tyreek hill comes to mind is in that division terrorized that division for a long time plus I think Al Davis. Certainly certainly. I look at this roster and I don't see a lot of holes. And that's that's a unique. Yeah, yeah, and it's taken a while. But I don't know if it's a great roster that that's what we're going to have to figure out but I don't see a lot of glaring holes right now and. That's a pretty. I don't not too. Many teams can say that. My loss on NFL. podcast I've done a lot of raiders stuff the last few days, and I think exact words were wow, I be our leads, Steph chart here in front of me and I thought I was gonna find more holes, just looking at it right in front of me on paper then I really could and. I agree with you if you ask what their biggest need. If you could add one more thing, probably a pass rusher, a defensive Lineman I'm sort but I mean there was a high pig backgrounds Max v why ability hearst as ability. They have some guys I think Robert Elliot's GonNa. Help dramatically, but I think I describe it. As this is certainly not disagreeing with you I was saying they're. Certainly fewer holes or not really glaring holes, which is a massive step in the right direction. Feather in the CAP, but there's still a lot of questions. Yeah I know that's what I agree we have to see. These guys get it done, but as far as WHO's in the spots, and is he? A potential. Impact of player I think they have those holes filled. We just have to see them together and I think particularly on defense. You know the feral house techniques step Max. Crosby can't be a one hit. Wonder and I don't think he is and what. What's your thoughts on him? Come alive coming out. I was shocked that late I don't think he's a one hit. Wonder I think he's a much better athlete than given credit for in a and a good technician. He will speak up on anybody this year, but I think he is a long-term starter productive player I I don't have any doubts about him to be very honest, and you didn't ask me this, but I did I did a little something last week about some of my favorite offseason moves, and credited the raiders with their signing of the two linebackers. You know what I mean. Paul dumpster kind of comes from that Zimmer tree where you want. Bar and Kendricks he wants to guys that can every snap and I think we finally have that. Place has been a wholly is a true La. Every down second level players haven't been there and the guys they signed might not be stars, but they're going to be productive every down players that Oh really. I'd love those so you. Littleton I don't know if he's a star per se, but he's. More rigid than people probably realize right as far as being complete player. Yeah. Can't play the run. Not a special. Don't really care. Attic you. He's a really good player too I. Mean Again I keep Harping on those two. Never really have to come off the field and they're not going to be targeted when she's come to town. They're not GONNA be like. Let's give Kelsey or ever layer of these linebackers. We'll just murder. I mean in the past. That they can hold their own against the division against top tight ends, and running back and still give you enough in the run game. I think it's a massive overall upgrade of what they've been playing lately. Yeah, because it was, it was such an easy way to beat the raiders on defense and I. I don't think that's the case anymore, but again these they have to have some of these young guys grow, and they have to have health especially on defense but yeah I. Mean I think the the defense? Defense has a chance to be much better I, you know everybody loves Abram because he played those those three quarters, and he played his. You know. His entire uniform was on fire in that Monday night game against Denver and you know, and he was hurt for much of that game, so I mean. This is a guy that has a real chance and wants to be a star and I think I think people forget that you have him coming into the mix too, and that's a the on. That's a huge newcomer. Joan Williams was Cincinnati. Extra first round pick this year that you obviously had a whole roll form in mind, and you didn't get a chance to see I. Close to enough of it and I absolutely think he'll be trendsetter. I think you'll set the tone type guy and you know you can't Jackie them people over the middle anymore. But I still think that having a safety the place with a lot of energy, you said this uniform on fire will rub off in a positive manner, and I think they go out of their way to get. Those guys get the Clemson. Guys in high care. Guys Brings me to another point I. mean again. I didn't quite put two and two together, but when I looked at their secondary all the safeties, all the corners on paper the other day. It's like every one of these guys is a high pedigree players. Some of them have had rocky roads to get here, and the by no means they all going to be slammed on stars, but the talent in the early draft pedigree is really there with a second or even like a principal Qamar you know definitely Yeah, I think that's by design. I L- I will have the fourth round. Pick Robertson from tech, I think he's. Going to be a real difference maker. In the rogues way and let me explain that because he allows you to do different things with with the playbook. He's a he's. Don't not I. DON'T WANNA call rugs a complimentary player, but he you know these guys do compliment the other guys on their on their rotation and I. Think you can do different things in more things with those players, and I think Robertson is that type of player. Small and it'll be small every day. We get out of bed, so those are things that are over comedy has said this coin, but of all the corners in this draft he may have been the most fun tape to watch you know. Little bulldog I mean can near the line of scrimmage blitzing sticking his nose in things you know sacrificing his body will kipps I think he's a real nice mind, and he probably doesn't have to play immediately. You know I. Mean You got a guy a pre established, so you could bring along pretty this junk secondary. is going to be asked to do a lot, but there are some guys like the joiners in Amukamara. The meantime, too, I think the secondary, because those two guys joining are probably not gonNA be around next year I know. Joyner has a big contract, but you can get out of his money. But you know it's it's the. It's all the young guys that you know the Arnett in Robertson and and Molin and Isaiah Johnson I mean those are two first round picks. Excuse me one first round pick a second round pick in two forefront picks, and to back to back years. That's the future of that defense is secondary with Abram back there, so I think that could be a real. You know a real face of a improving team for years to come in I'm not comparing this I'm not previewing this, but what was the what got the Seattle? seahawks defensively together to Super Bowl. Run that defensive back that back group and I think that's the key here. I want to. Around even more recently and the analytics, folks will always telling you what China. Not side note that you should build the coverage people I, but you'll look laying the ravens and their secondary, and especially the Patriots I mean those guys don't have premium pass rushers they get pass rush from covering a second longer and being able to blitz because they trust their talented secondaries. A lot of people will tell you. That's the best way to build a pacifist. There's certainly a plan in place here and give Gruden and A. Credit for that. Matt I WANNA leave on this. You know we talk about the raiders and they're getting bedroom. Things are exciting, but what you said the beginning of. The show to really good division. You got the greatest quarterback player in the league. Right now I don't care if you grieve me or not. He is talking about anybody. Agree with me Patrick Mahomes, the best player in football. This team is not going anywhere, and you know I. Think sometimes fans get lost in just their team improving, but other teams have good drafts. Other teams have good free agencies and I thought that chargers in the broncos is not to be a buzzkill. Just a little reality. Check had good draft as well. Showed that Keep the chiefs. We're GONNA, bring in a kind of offense of speed and explosion and try to swigging fifty four. Not that they're during these. Massive wave of big time playmakers game into the West and you're right, you know. chargers vastly 'em fastly under were much better team than their record room really under. What they are capable of a lot of star power. There I think that's a good team. You know Denver's very locked independent, but they made it. Possible on the guy and I say this all the time bill. You probably heard me before I mean. There's money basically when the draft and up until training camp, it's all UNICORNS and rainbows. Everybody looks at their team and says or draft picks were gonNA hit or hurt. Guys are GONNA come back. People say things like. Oh, we can't possibly be as hard as we were laughing. Not You know like the pretty much everything that happens from here on out is bad. or to see because right now, the division looks really really strong, but you know we might be saying boy. All these back or bus for the raiders drew lock has no dance, or you know what I mean why they consider tyrod Taylor starting quarterback, you know. Jail. Yeah I mean the chargers and the broncos have to be saying the same thing about the raiders that we got so today, and it doesn't matter we just want. To catch the cheese and so might as well be us, you know. Obviously the big that. They didn't get worse. So, Hey Matt I appreciate it very much. We'll talk soon great stuff. said. WAS THAT AWESOME? Was that Awesome Matt Dawson. Appreciate you guys? Hope have fun. This Bill Williamson. Back prior to your team is getting better. Let's have fun next we. 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#104: MORNING MESSAGES | Rooting For You
"Hello hello and good morning to you. Care coming to you. I have a oh a great saying been moving in and out of my consciousness for last week or two and that is simply that. I'm rooting for you. Has anybody ever told you that. I don't other something like makes me wanna cry. Honestly if somebody were to just whisper in your ear. As i'm doing right now. I'm rooting for you. Hey i am rooting for you. I wanna see you sore. I wanna see you shine. I wanna see you feel fully alive. I wanna see what you will manifest when you step beyond your doubt when you step beyond self consciousness when you stop holding back when you stop playing small. Oh my god. I can't wait to see what you have up your sleeve. Wow just saying those words. I can't imagine if we all lived knowing that someone or some some energy. God you can call it. God you can call the universe you can call it. You know supreme intelligence but if we could imagine how much we are being rooted for right now. I know that's not proper english. But who cares. But i want to tell you that i'm rooting for you. It's why do this. Why do this. I have such trust in your potential. My friend i trust in your extraordinary intelligence wisdom creative capacity compassion ability to care for others. I trust in your unique expression and that you have a gift for the world right now like right now we would not all be alive at time. If we didn't have something extraordinary to share we wouldn't you wouldn't be here. You have something incredible to share and that doesn't mean it has to be with millions of people. I have to remind myself of that. Even if i have a few hundred people listening to these podcasts. Every day although i'd like to be more to be honest with you my ego would like more people to be listening but even if it's just a few hundred it's okay even if it's if it's your your street that you live on and you're touching those that you live on with your creative expression your unique ability to care whatever it is your words your songs beautiful garden. Even if it's just that small we have to start to trust that. That's okay and that's enough. It's not about the likes on facebook or the followers it's about knowing that we are here to share our light to share our voice to share our love to share our caring our direction our guidance our wisdom in some capacity and i am so rooting for you all right. I have a confession. I was a cheerleader. From seventh grade. Till i guess there a senior in high school my goodness i mean. There's nothing wrong with cheerleading. But i think about it then. I'm like wow. But i'm a cheerleader. I really am. I am your cheerleader. And i'm rooting for you. Because i know when you wake up and step up and step out beyond self-consciousness doubt and holding back and hold playing small. You are gonna break shine. When you shine you. Help us shine marianne williamson said when you allow your light to shine you unconsciously. Give others permission to do the same. When you allow your light to shine you unconsciously give others permission to do the same. I am rooting for you. I want you to let your light shine. I thank you for letting me let my light shine this morning. Mess these warning messages. They really encourage me to to step out of playing small. So thank you all right. My time's up my friend. I m rooting for you. Go root for someone else today and please share this. Share this short episode. It's so easy to do. Just message somebody and say. Hey you may wanna listen to you. I'm rooting for you to that's it. That's perfect and also check out the show notes. I my mental fitness protocol with loads of links to practices my own practices movement meditation and my mental wellness protocol. That i'm sharing with others. That is changing my life. That is Changing me from the inside out. Fundamentally and i wanna share it with you chaffeur now be well.
Pay It Forward Friday: Rachel Williamson
"Hey everyone and welcome to another paid for with Friday episode where we highlight people that we feel are doing a great job of publishing leadership content that resonates with us we will include links to their work and tag them on our post to make sure they know we appreciate them. This is our way to say thanks to other leaders and individuals that are having a positive impact on helping others become better leaders through sharing their thoughts opinions in ideas online for all the scene. Here Christine I have always wanted to use our platform to advocate for other people passionate about leadership and give our listeners as much content as possible to help sharpen their own skills through different perspectives and approaches. If you would like us to check out anyone specific please tag them in the comments or send us a message with their links to their content. Before I begin a quick note if you are in Orlando area or you are a podcast willing to travel. Please consider checking out podcast. Twenty twenty is a multimedia expo that will be here in Orlando on March. Sixth through eighth I will be attending coming by and check out this amazing event for more INFO. Tickets visit podcast. Expo Dot Com P. O. D. F. E. S. T. E. XPO DOT COM. Also please take a second to subscribe to the podcast and write a review on your favorite listening platform. Thanks in advance on this episode. I WanNA thank Rachel Williamson. Rachel is a retail consultant coach. Keynote Speaker and author. Rachel is very active on Lincoln in hosts a podcast called life of a store manager and runs a website called running great stores Dot Com. Rachel provides a ton of advice inspiration. But what I really appreciate is all of the resources and recommendations on her website clicking around you will find a ton of cool things including an assessment called. Are you a complainer. I couldn't help myself. I took the survey good news. I'm not a complainer. Better news I know to tell someone if they are a complainer anyways I really appreciated the time and attention put into all of this content by Rachel and highly just connecting with her and visiting her website and listening to her podcast. Her links will be in the podcast notes and we will tag her all of our posts. Great Job Racial and thanks for helping others to. Hashtag be a better leader. Thanks for listening and let us know who else deserves some Kudos.
Marianne Williamson | Light Filled Body | Guided Meditation
"Today on the house meditation podcast. We have a light field body. Meditation with a claim spiritual teacher marianne williamson. Meditation for a light felt body in a comfortable place now gently close your eyes and see that there is an angel with a pitcher standing above you and the angel now porous this pitcher over the top of your head and the pitcher is filled with an electric light. Filled golden elixir this light this light emanates from the mind of god and it now pours through the top of your head and into your brain. This light pours into your brain restoring healing revitalizing every cell. This light pours through the bone of your skull. The bones of your face the muscles of your head the light flowing now into and through the cells of your eyes your nose your mouth your ear your hair. Your entire head is now filled with lying the light continuing to intensify and the light moving down now through your neck. You feel the relaxation in your neck. This light moving now racing through the blood itself revitalizing every cell of the blood. Your blood itself. Revitalized with health with vibrancy with optimum functioning as this light continues down into every cell every muscle every oregon the bones. The skin. Your neck feels that now as the light continues down now into your torso the muscles the bones the breasts the skin oxygenated with light now every cell the heart receiving now this revitalization this light this restoration this medicine of god your lungs your lever your spleen your abdomen your colin your muscles. Your arteries the capillaries your skin. The light pouring down now into the shoulders and down through the upper arms the elbows every muscle every bone revitalize the cells so happy to receive that for which they have thirsted as this light continues now down through the lower arms. The wrists sounds the fingers the light blazing down blazing down and out through the tips of the fingers and blazing outward from the skin everywhere. It travels the light continuing down now to blaze within your head your neck your torso your arms. Now the lower part of the body the genitals the bladder every aspect you feel the muscles of the lower part of your body now receiving this light your reproductive organs every part and aspect of your lower body now receiving as the light continues down now into the five. Allow yourself to slowly move there. Every part of your body now receiving this light every muscle every bomb the light blazing rushing through the blood. The blood itself becomes all that it is intended to do carrying now the light of god down into your knees. The lower legs all ablaze with the light of the gods the light which is the medicine straight from the mind of god the light blazing now down into your ankles. Your feet your toes and you are alive now. Every cell of your being with light every cell of your being with light and that which is excess weight also way also way also way as divine operation now occurs as the angels reshape your body as the angels heal your body as the angels restore that which belongs and simply remove that which does not belong. This is the miracle light has all this new feel the divine operation of angelic forces as you are healed repaired last and reform before your inner. I breathe in drink in the healing elixir. Of god's love as every cell and aspect of both body and mind our touched now by the light of god and so it has the light continues. The light is aw and so it is a amen
Isabel Hardman's Sunday Roundup - 07/03/21
"The spectator magazine combines incisive political analysis with books and aunts reviews of unrivalled authority subscribed today for just twelve pounds. I'm receive twelve weeks subscription in print and online plus a twenty pound amazon gift voucher. Absolutely free go to spectator dot co dot uk forward slash voucher. Hello and welcome to coffeehouse shots. The spectators daily politics cost. I'm spell hartman. And this is something mountain. The education secretary kevin williamson was tasked with the government's mead. Ut's this morning on the day before. Schools are g to reopen for the vast majority of children in england however there was another issue at the top of the agenda. The government's offer of a one percent pay rise for an s. staff sophie ridge questioned williamson as to whether the amount was too stingy given the ordeal. The health service has recently been through. What is it about the last year. The government feels that nurses does either pay on real times government every stage being clear in some commitment to the nhl assist is why over the last year. We see an extra six billion pounds being invested into the nhs. This is why the next few years we're going to be saying increase close to thirty billion pounds going into the nhs and over million nhl staff against be receiving pay increases over the book that but also we are facing difficult economic challenges. We're facing Almost three million people who've been employs and we have in the context of that decided to exempt the nhs from the public sector pay freeze which is only pulse of the public sector has been accepted for all at the same time. Though nasa is getting a payroll of one percent. I mean inflation. Next year is expected to be one point. Five percents that works out as a pay cut in real terms a thinking. This has got flavor of marcus. Rochford about everyone can see you. Turn coming you just being wheeled out to defend a policy that the government's gonna right back home will over the last few years we've seen record increases intense pay going to our nurses doctors quite rightly we all face we. We're thank to be facing a much more difficult. Economic time and economic period we've seen shrinking of our economy of ten percent but what disease is pulsa predecessor At put this forward to a full fare. Foreigners is. I'm for vhs but we are always invest in her nhs. This is why we've had record investment this year and continue recold investments in our national health service becoming. Yes which also asked about the government's plans to help children catch up with months of lost education. You say this is going to be a process of recovery and that clearly will have to be pretty substantial price recovery to help children particularly disadvantaged children recover from a year of disrupted education and you review on into seeing. How best people's can chop one of the things that you've said it's right to have. A discussion about is shortening. That scott some holiday an potentially moving to five term year. Is that something that you're seriously considering a whole range of different proposals. Were looking at whether it's a five term year with lengthened school dang but also measures such as enhancing sport that we give teachers supporting them in their professional development making sure it can be actually very best themselves Looking at different specifically on the holidays is that something is seriously on the table. It could happen. we'll be looking at holidays. We're looking at the school day with a whole range of measures and we've asked asked kevin colleagues to leave no stone unturned for us. I we see this is one of those moments that little bit like a nineteen forty four education with four maps that came out to the second world war about how we can be transformative in terms of changing and improving opportunities for young people. But it's got to be evidence space. We got to look as to what is to have the biggest positive impact on children's lives. That's the approach that we're taking. And that's what we're looking as how we can improve outcomes for children andrea maher paste williamson a rather direct question about his performance flight. I'm aware that there are a lot of people watching television this morning. And thinking to themselves that govern williamson. He's not quite the right man for this job. you are. you sure that you are. We'll andrew what my focus is always on its delivering for very best for children whether that's you know x. Resources going into school but most importantly making sure children are back into the classroom. And that's where. I wanted to see my children berries of your views once. That's where my focus is and that's going to be delivering next week. Remind let me remind people. Why am i have said that people remember very vividly back in back around christmas when you said schools are going to stay open and then a day later you closed them. They will remember the absolute exam. Chaos over the summer and the terrible scenes in british universities. And that all happened on your watch. They perhaps think when it comes to the big decisions gavin williamson has not been taking the right decisions or andrew. We've been dealing with a global pandemic we've had to deal with whether it's new. Variants emerging and over challenges of presenting every stage at my focus has been doing. Wars is right for children. So i'll be always The first one to want to see schools remain open. I'll always be. I want see children in schools. And i'll never make an apology for wanting to keep our schools open and children having the benefits brilliant education in front of that each so that passion for education passion for delivery. Children do wash his drives me in this and won't be driving made to make sure that children are back in school tomorrow. Mar also interviewed shadow health secretary. Jonathan ashworth ashworth called for the government to abide by the commitments. It had made to the nhs before the pandemic the government budgeted two point one percent and they pass that legislation because the spending plans for the nhl came to the house of commons and it went through the house comments every story. Mp voted for two point one percent in january last. Yeah that should be the basis on which negotiations or discussions and now entered into with the trade unions but the independent pay review. Body will look at the submission from the san. It look at the submission from unison which the biggest trade union country who are calling for two thousand pounds uplift for every member stuff. It will look submission from the gm who are talking about ensuring that none of the poorer paid stuff in the in the nhl received less than the living wage inquiry. But then we just all yours. You believe you believe in the process. This is a huge money. we're talking about To be fair to the government. They didn't pandemic at that point So when they put the two point they say they decided they would pay for all cova. Costs rishi sunak. Soup stood up and said the. Nhs will get all money. It needs for covid they're now asking. Hr staff to take a pay cut to pay for the covert pressures values on fair. They are i want to know is what is. The labour party's view of how much nurses should get the view. Is that the staff the staff group. So that's what no no not announced because you have a process andrew. you look at retention issues. You'll get recruitment issues with a decision. Then you give it to the independent pay review body who will negotiate with the different trades unions and then we will honor what that pay review body recommends. Rich spoke to the shadow foreign secretary. Lisa nandy ahead of key votes on the government's budget this week. Nanto labor was not backing tax rises. Well conservatives were one of the most significant things to come up the budget which just frees in income tax levels now under the impression that labor supported that but reading the observer. You're gonna vote. Vote against it. You clear up. What is labor's position. We all gonna vote against it this week. We think that now is absolutely the wrong time to be at targeting low and middle income. Earning families for tax hikes and squeezing their incomes. Not least. Because if you do that. It means that. They're not going out and spending on the high streets and the economy. The recovery is very fragile. At the moment we were really concerned when those plans were announced that what the government was effectively saying was the lower middle income. Earning families will be targeted to start paying into the system a full year before many of those major corporations because the corporation tax rise doesn't come in until a year later the shadow chancellor pushed the chancellor on that at the dispatch couldn't get a satisfactory answer. We think this is the wrong thing to do. So we'll be voting against this week. China chancellor pushed on this but at the same time it does feel like it's been a bit of a change of heart. You didn't oppose the earlier in the week. And the chancellor told my colleague caitlin kind of wednesday. It would have been the wrong decision to do it now but more sensible tape these measures in the future. I mean it is a year in the future. There's been a change of policy here. Is that bit opportunistic. No we've been. We've been absolutely consistent about this that we don't want to see low and middle income. Earning families paying the price for this pandemic could. Just just just just come and if i may you made the point on and income and a few times and yes i expect that it will impact them but it does affect higher rate taxpayers. More doesn't it. It's not targeted but it it does. But we've been consistent in saying that the recovery is very fragile businesses in this country including many in my constituency. Here in wigan haven't had they haven't been open for most of the last year because we've been in almost permanent lockdown parts of the north of england. And were they most need to see. Is families going out and spending again when a when we start to unlock. They're looking forward to that. They think they can survive if we do. If you start to target those families too quickly what you'll see is the recovery choked off before it's even begun and the about the case of nothing's nothing gerry radcliffe then british iranian woman jailed in iran on charges of espionage back in twenty sixteen which she has always strongly denied cigar. Radcliffe has reportedly been freed from house arrest today but also believed to be awaiting further trial next week husband richard. I said it's no what's going to happen. Do you have any intelligence on what is likely to happen to nazanin and what should be done. I don't it's been strating louis. Slow in relation to progress on this issue and with richard ratcliffe. Recently it was clear how difficult this process has been. The family are very keen to continue to have the support of the foreign office. But i think i can say frankly that just hasn't been enough focus and effort not just on nothing's case which is heartbreaking but also on the other british jewish iranian nationals who are currently being held in iran. We need to see much more. Progress on this This family. I just feel that this. There's not much more that they can take of this to be honest and other countries have made more progress in getting their nationals. Hominid see a really concerted effort. Now across government led by the prime minister to make up for some of the mistakes that he's made in the past and to make sure that we get nazanin home and other joel nationals. Home as well and finally mar asked dr season hopkins of public health england. About what would happen. If the infamous our number rises as a result of children going back to school if it does go above one spike in transmission that point. Do you think we should pause children going back to school. I think we should pause children going back to school. We've got three weeks before the easter holidays. I think you'll have time to look at the data very carefully over that period and also than the data in the easter holidays to see how things are responding the one of the tests that the government of looked at is the relationship between Hospitalizations and deaths that is going to change in this next phase because traditionally we knew that might have caisson community directly related to the number of hospitalizations and deaths that we would see in future weeks however with the impact of oxidation. That has changed. That's for this week. I'm isabella hartman. And this podcast was produced by matthew. Taylor don't forget to subscribe to the coffeehouse shots podcast on the chain store. And if you enjoyed this podcast. Do subscribe to a daily evening blend. Email is a free roundup of all the political news each day along with analysis and the diary on to expect next. Just go to spectator kato k. Forward slash evening blend. Thanks for listening and do join us again next week.
Marianne Williamson Teleports Away
"The following recording may contain explicit language. I can't get more explicit than may say it may. Hey do you wanna listen to the gist. At home home on your Alexa turns out we at slate have built a new Alexa skill. Where perfecting it? So what you do is you say. Alexa enable the gist to to enable the skill on your Alexa device and then begin playing the show and to play it after that you can say Alexa. Play the gist. I enable them play it just on the Alexa Um It's Friday January tenth two thousand twenty from slate. It's just I Mike Pasqua. Marianne Williamson is out. Yes yes I know. We have the articles of impeachment sent to the Senate that is bigger but Marianne has descended upon the astral plane and shall not be there to speak into the yearnings of our souls or the doings of the Department of Housing and Urban Development that also comes with Java President in one thousand nine hundred eighty when Ted Kennedy bowed out. Here's what he promised. Democrats for all those whose cares have been our concerned. The work goes on the cause and doors. The hope still lives and the dream shall never die Marianne can perhaps offer this self actualising actualising sustains the healing permeates the geodesic dome surrounds and penetrates us. The chanting has never stopped. Look I kid because Kossi fear really I do. She got all these editorials saying that the way she speaks must be copied Forbes what Marianne Williamson could teach every every Democratic candidate for president. Any candidate doesn't understand how to lead with. Seoul should get out of the race. You're wasting our time was dumb. Emily Stewart and Fox. Is it me or as Marianne Williamson making a lot of sense. It's actually neither. The Washington. Examiner Democratic debate shows conservatives. Could learn something from Marianne Williamson. You guys are doing fine without her. You've got your own cult going. Here's John Corolla on the young Turks. podcast it's far from the joke. I would say that many people have pitched at us. Yeah and she's I have to tell you there extensively before where she ran for president and she's actually a very substantive person she knows her stuff on a number of issues. Less voice was host crystal ball. And I will not be making a crystal ball. Likes Marianne Williamson joke because I do not want to detract from the real joke which was Marianne Williamson's presence in the race as anything other within a fringy highly unqualified distraction the entire basis of lauding Williamson for deserving to be. There wasn't tirelessly about. Oh I like those three. He's sentences she uttered in a debate and now it seems I will acknowledge it seems churlish in beside the point to look bad to a debate that happened in late July and to draw many conclusions from it to say see I told you so. That's not what I am doing though. I have to say if we were to go back in time it would be okay with Marianne. Because does she believes in past lives and reincarnation she said once quote I believe linear time is itself an illusion. I will have to use that one the next time. I am twelve minutes late to to a meeting. By the way she went on to say about about Jesus she said to the extent which one can speak of reincarnation any meaningful way. I feel that perhaps APPs I was one of the women who followed him who adored him who lived for him. Because I feel that I'm that now but my main point is to remember there. Were these raft of articles this Legion of analysis saying hey is Marianne Williamson making sense making good points. Can we learn something. No no and no let us remember the Fodorov thought at the fiddle. Fateh peddled by this flippity. GYDA Flimflam woman. I mean in July and August some part of the analysts class all road. and Oh that's so interesting and insightful Marianne Williamson Point. Let's remember that now. They were wrong. It's also remember as I made this point on my show. Oh just a few weeks ago. Tim Ryan talked about mental health and nutrition and wellness and married it to actual science and also actual legislation introduced Marianne Williamson and the caution narrowly pro Marianne Williamson sentiment among the people in charge of taking politics. Seriously was as silly then as it. It seems now and had some costs like she's soaked up some screen time and also taking her really pernicious ideas seriously was a terrible thing to do the Forbes article by the way said Donald Trump has our national soul and a stranglehold with his fascist rhetoric and immoral actions the Democratic nominee for president needs to rest it back. No no no no no. This is an exercise in the wresting of souls to believe. Such claptrap is to the plan to Donald. Trump's game game of make believe and self defined reality an unprovable feelings and lies Yeah Marianne Williamson like Donald Trump and unlike the major planks of every single Democratic candidate left trump and Williamson. Were literally peddling lies. You will not beat Donald Trump by lying. You'll beat Donald Trump by proving to Americans that you will make their lives better. They're alive now. Currently not one that ended in say ancient Judea. Yeah two thousand years ago on the show today spiel about two recent deaths of possibly the two most different people in New York but I they say a job stops being ajab when you're doing what you love. But when the landlord asked for rent it had been an actual job. That tension is at the heart of a new book recalled the passion economy. It's my friend Adam. Davidson Adam is a regular guest of the gist. As recently as Monday. So Mr Buch end of this week himself Adam. Davidson is here to talk more about Amish farm supplies and less about the QODS force as suppose that was a passion of there is here now Adam deems him a lot of the people on Oetzi no at a few of the instagram people know an accountant from South Carolina also knows it and and son of a shoe salesman from MIT. He was the first one that put his finger on it. It's called the passion economy and the idea is making money doing what you love but both of those things have to actually be True Adam Davidson whose great financial reporter and the founder or co founder of NPR's planet money and. You've heard them on the show a lot. It's been working on this book for many years. I think although since I've known him it is called the passion economy The new rules for thriving in the twenty first century it follows case studies of people. Who are doing it but it also writes out the rules so it's a little bit reporting? It's a little bit self help and it's a little bit of actually atoms economic analysis of where we are in the twenty first century. Weird weird if I was saying all of this if you were in here. Hello Oh it's like so. Where is this going and now ladies and gentlemen my interview with Lorena Bobbitt? We saw this new rules for thriving in the twenty first century. But it's actually a coming together of sensibilities of centuries isn't it. It is so As you know Mike and you met me. We became friends. I'd say a full decade before I started writing this book so The much of my a life for the last two decades has been covering really bad things and the ugliness of our economy right now. And that's a very real story I've been on this show talking about. It may many talk right but throughout all of that I was aware of something else going on. That I became sort of fixated on which is a happier thing. Another dimension to our very big eggen complicated economy and so this book is my attempt to explain and celebrate this happier thing. Just pick a case study. I like your Amish friends. That's a a really great way to treat it. Sure I love my friends So so the basic idea here is that there's an opportunity. Now to thrive in a way that no human being almost no human beings were able to thrive ever before and one way to talk about is intimacy at scale doing something that you are passionately passionately connected to that. Some other group of people is passionately connected to and being able to find those people even if they're spread thinly around the country around the world and that the very forces that terrifies global trade and outsourcing and automation. Ai Can also fuel the this again allow you to find your people somewhere. So what I talk about. Is the family there. There's this Guy Wayne. Wang heard who is is a older almost seventy year old old order amish. So that means no electricity in the house. No cars horse and Buggy And he identified back in the seventies that Amish farmers who want to who farm by horsemen plow. They don't use tractors. Were no longer able to get stuff that they're about half of American Farmers still farm by horse or donkey through world into world. We're too and so there are still enough stuff around. But by the late seventies the all that stuff was rusted and gone and so he started making stuff for the Amish community. Now today a day there are fewer than three hundred and fifty thousand Amish in the world there are almost all in north in the US or Canada and of them fewer than ten percent farm for a living and worse. It's yes we know about Lancaster County but the Amish are actually very thinly. Spread and the farmers are particularly thinly spread. The people who WanNa farm are leaving Lancaster County and Holmes County Ohio and they're going into upstate. New York going to Wisconsin. They're going to. They're in thirty. One States Kentucky and Michigan and out West increasingly in Colorado and Wyoming. And this is insane to create a big bulky expensive product a a decent plow for horsedrawn on farm equipment can cost five to twenty thousand dollars. Amish typically make thirty or thirty five thousand dollars a year. So you're talking about an audience of thirty five thousand people who make well well well. Below the average household income and just shipping to them is impossible. Yeah and big heavy stuff but what the wingers it's have discovered is. It's exactly the things that make this a nightmare business. That makes such a successful business because he's so deeply connected to these people he understands their air needs. He's able to anticipate their needs and so he's able to create products it yes are wildly expensive. That might cost a year's wages but are adding so so much value because he understands the value they need a family moves because there's cheap farmland and suddenly finds out that all their old gear doesn't work anymore. Yeah and he's able to anticipate what they they need. He's an honest decent businessman so he's not going to charge them an arm and a leg but he's going to charge them a reasonable price and he's doing it without using computers barely use phones but he's able to take advantage of all the things that we do have so just one example is there's a logistics revolution we know about ups and Fedex probably X. P. O.. So is the unsung hero of this kind of thing where they're able to basically get really big bulky stuff from one rural farm area to a very far away a rural farm area at a fraction of the cost it would normally cost. That's a result of modern technology. That is this book works. Very well. In the micro level I read it and and I didn't. I don't particularly think of myself as an entrepreneur but I do what I do and there are some lessons in there in terms of pricing terms of a lot of things that are really applicable. And I think even if you don't don't think of yourself as oh I got this passion to make these special potholders on Oetzi even if you don't think of yourself you could get a lot from the book but I WanNa talk about the macro since you think about the macro. Do you think of this. It's this passion. Economy came about because of many different trends. But do you think of it like a way forward away forward to boost the GDP or do you think of it more like look. There are these huge disruptions. And they're mostly are going to be losers but if you don't want to be one of them here's a little bit of a- and escape route for the fortunate few. I see them as both I. I do think that. At the macro level we we are at appoint a we. We have some major choices to make. I think that going forward in a big picture way. Without some major changes we could imagine region massive inequality that leads to a form of oligarchy capitalism. Where an ever smaller few control troll evermore resources and we also could imagine moving forward into an economy where far more people have opportunity so at the macro level? Oh deep fear and I have deep excitement about the future. I think it's not written. It's these are choices to be made because I don't the passion economy as I. I don't know if it's the exact or a sufficient or in any way an appreciable cure for income inequality corrective income inequality. I definitely think that some extent a consequence of income inequality if we had all those massive systems paying out pensions engines we wouldn't have as much income inequality but I wonder if you could say that if we relied too much on a- and foster the individual genius or passionate few does that necessarily is that intention with with taking care of the masses in the many. Because you know even if you have all these entrepreneurs who are taking your advice and doing it well we still need legions of civil servants servants and teachers and cops and just actually people who what they want to do is spend time with their family and maybe be the guy who works for the guy who's running the passion economy and not think about the big pictures. Be The metallurgist for an amish fellow. Not The amish fellows making this great quick so I I would say a few different so one thing I would say this book is not my. Here's here's how to fix the whole climate for this is what you think about this and you think about fixing exactly I wanted to see how it integrates but what I will say is what I was very careful of is is. I chose people for this book who are not people who are just obviously destined for wealth. I mean I remember. I enjoyed reading the Jeff bezos book. But you read about got a guy who by the time that he got his ideas for. Yeah now forget but they talk about at five. Everyone was like a genius. Who's going to take over the world? And then he went from Glory to glory to glory and that's great good for him but and that's interesting and I enjoy reading it in this book. I chose people who are unlikely heroes. There are are these are not people who were born to very rich. Parents inherited their dad's company and then went to Harvard and then went to Stanford Business School. These are people who some of them to Graduate College. Some of them didn't graduate high school. Many of them went to you. Know not elite schools. These are people who worked up so the idea of this book is not just. Here's yet another book about how to be really really rich and I would say that. The previous economy The twentieth century tree economy was uniquely good in human history for people with less likelihood of being successful now. That might right. Seem Weird because we had a lot of very poor people with a you know we we had deep poverty and Appalachian in inner cities etc but generally there are almost no groups in the US that didn't get richer over the course of the twentieth century and we did eliminate things like hunger as a major source of death in the US we we and and part of that is social security and welfare and minimum wage and part of that is just the twentieth century widget economy needed all three were needed and end factory sweepers differentiated non skill Labor. Not that it wasn't hard work but yes and this economy does not need those people so I don't think everyone gets to have a passion economy business. I'm not that naive. And probably a sizable percentage of Americans. We are as a society going to need to decide what to do with them. Now in my view I tend to be left of center. I would support a far more generous welfare state for those people but I don't think that's where we're headed right now as a society. Okay so I have a couple of other questions one is this. Does your passion half to be specialized. Does it have to be neat. Niche are there some passions that the is are not going to succeed in the passion economy. Even though they're very artistic and very you could be very passionate about it. Yes and I'm certainly not arguing that all you have to do is find your passion and whatever it is. You're GONNA do great and you're GONNA make four hundred thirty seven one thousand dollars a year and everything's GonNa find. That is not my view. And you know I've started having a saying that until there's an excel spreadsheet with numbers that show positive have growth like it's not gonNa work and you do have to respond to the market if you want to succeed economically like you do and hopefully that can actually enrich your passion if you're truly engaged with customers and satisfying their needs. You'll learn more about the thing you're passionate about whether it's farm equipment or how to be a more effective accountant two or whatever. So of the there are specific. Rules there and you started your own company. which is the bespoke imprint into Sony podcasts. With name I still don't understand your uncanny four why it's a long that doesn't get more interest with the name. I still don't understand as long as you were. You're writing the book compiling the rules and also starting your own company. Which of your rules did you personally do you personally find it? Hardest to follow well. My my co-founder Lord Mayor. who used to run panoply? She and I from the very beginning had a view that we wanted to create shows where there's a real driving having need for it to exist. Which means that? There's a person creating it who has a passion and a hunger to do that and there's a dentist viable audience that wants it's that thing and that simple idea actually becomes very profound and allows us to make a lot of decisions that might seem even been counter intuitive but allows us to sing no to some really amazing opportunities. There's you know there was one major celebrity. I would kill to work with WHO wanted to work with us but we we just felt that person was not they really were like. Hey I hear podcasting is hot. Listen to a podcast so I think in keeping that at its core that it doesn't mean it has to be my in fact. It shouldn't be my passion or Laura's passionate should be usually the hosts passion but it could also be producers passion. There has to be a a center. Person has an urgent need. So what was the rule that you didn't follow that you found it hardest to follow so so I'd say the the hardest follow is say no the hardest of followers say no. It is really hard you said no to this. We said no to this celebrity. Yeah and the idea that anyone on our team would be doing something they don't WanNa do or they don't feel excited about that it it just felt like it would hurt the company even if it meant will make money by saying notice some of these things. We still decided it's worth it. Adam Davidson is the CO founder of. NPR's cars planet money he's the founder and CEO of ridiculously named. If very successful imprint of Sony podcast and is the author of the Passion Passion Economy The new rules for thriving in the twenty first century. Thank you so much. Thank you Mike and now the spiel thinking about a couple of people who died recently I I would say they couldn't be more opposite. Ah except they both asked for attention and we gave it to them. One was the author Elizabeth Worzel she wrote Bitch and PROZAC nation. I knew her a little and she was what the kids kids call and she is and she was what the kids today call a lot. She was a lot meaning a lot of talent. A lot of energy just a lot. The thing that struck me may is that what she did. That was so dangerous back in the ninety s has become so derek or now every scandalizing using sentence that singed the reader in those books. Now just about every writer for Jesse Bells Twitter Bio Justice pointed. It was rebellious. Oh yes it was outrageous. It was in your face. It was unapologetic. It was this important is this is. This is the main thing that was so rare. Then that is so common now it was. It was a shocking in public admission of flaws and frailties and missteps and she paired that with excoriate systems and celebrities and people who wronged her. It was a sight to see we. Now call this the Internet and it's so prevalent all around us. We can't even see it. I would say that every woman and who writes boldly in public was directly influenced by Elizabeth Worzel or. Maybe they weren't influenced at all. Maybe she just did the things she did. And then in a wave one to three decades later so many other women started to write and speak and act and be like that. It's odd as one of the people who is paying attention then and who has been thinking of the role she played to realize. Just how much of a template she was but then to further realize that there's so many of the writers that she was a template for barely even know it. I'm glad she was on the cover of times also widely covered. Was This Guy Ladies and Gentlemen Imus in the morning. Weirdly by this guy dooming Don Imus. I don't mean Neil you'll pert. The drummer for rush was performing that song that you heard underneath deep voiced announcer guy. Here's a clip of the long-running shock jock talking talking on his syndicated radio program in Nineteen ninety-four about going to a native American ceremony in New Mexico. And so I say a friend. Is this Christmas or Halloween until Brigitte Bardot about so fred gets out of set with me and then they've got And the Indians are all all young and inter so whacked. Out On peyote. It is look like well look like right. I know the look now. So what is all about what Christmas Eve is actually more fun in and kind of bizarre. I couldn't believe the first time I thought they run through the streets of towels with a statue of the Virgin Mary and the baby Jesus and shoot guns off and I thought that it was kind of an interesting image the Indians energies kind of their own version of Catholicism doubt. They don't care see. That's another thing they've all live all destroyed. The Indian heritage that clip would just a random when I found from C. Span simulcast has a lot of the DNA of Don Imus. He was gruff. He was grumpy and his sidekicks. Were what you would call time on. PC allowing us to have some nineties version of plausible deniability with the jokes. They made that definitely went over the line. He'd have a side Kicks Celebrity Impressions to Tread into the world of insults and then and he would be the guy said. Oh come on now let me ask you this right when most Jewish men stop masturbating. I don't know when their wives pass away. Ah Yeah I mean we just wire we have to win. That was psychic. Bernard mcgurk Cardinal O'Connor he'd have a fake Nixon call in the show featured in Gangsta rap version of Mickey Mouse. Here was in. House impressionist Rob Bartlett as Mike Tyson. More chump don't don't make piggies. Don't make piggies on the. I'm sorry I I'm going to let digestion. Okay let's see my man Bibi Netanyahu with the president the other night maybe got Thurgau. Obama was like his demands. You marinate on that while I go upstairs have macaroni and cheese but my babies my baby mama and her mom on let me be sitting there waiting for the cable guy to show. It is obvious why I miss what's called a shock jock or controversial or embattled he lost his MSNBC GIG for calling the rutgers women's basketball team. Nappy headed hos and as a result some of the longtime titans of media who always go into show stayed away for a little awhile he then moved to Fox business and everything pretty much continued pace. The thing about and thing I find fascinating is that he wasn't funny funny. I don't mean that I was offended. I don't get offended but actually think any do actually think that some of the bits were Carlo connery not to Joe Guy played but more or less that was a highlight out of the show but to get there. You had to wade through growly grumpy. Angry PepsiCo remember. I was twelve years old. Eleven or twelve figs right winner. Fifth Grade Ten eleven twelve and I was. I was doing a camp thing for two weeks. In Pennsylvania went to a state fair or some version of affair and and there was the radio station there W. O. N. P. womp in the valley they were doing one of these live remotes from the state fair and I walked up I talked to the DJ and he said where are you from. And I said New York. Oh you get I miss. This was about the time that he was a big deal in radio and I said to him. Yeah we get I mess. And everyone talks about imus but they have this other guy on W. NBC a Howard Stern. That guy's much better guide never heard of him. And by the way Howard stern low the imus because the radio station valued imus over stern earn paid. I miss more than stern punish. Turn more than Imus and stern knew the whole time that he was funny. And I'm wasn't but the reason I was thinking about. This wasn't exactly because I wanted to see at which temperature his obituary was cooked. It kind of changed and they had to walk back controversial to racist in some outlets. I got you thinking. What was it about? I miss that people like I mean. He did get good ratings he was a success and I even then by the way even then extended into my adulthood. He was on the air in New York. Pretty much my whole life. I think I know what funding is an means. I definitely understand politics. I by by the way didn't just write them off as purely offensive. I recognized that. He was objectively speaking offensive and presiding over an offensive radio program. But and this is important it was also uninteresting and it was interesting in an interesting kind of way I haven't think about entertainment that confuses me I understand some of it. Sometimes it just stuff. That's not for me the Medina movies now for me to the point where there was a big audience for Drek like full House her Fuller House. It's a brady bunch for different generation it's comforting and it's safe Every Youtube Star that is supposed to cross over and check them out this Miranda Randa sings person terrible uniformly terrible but I get it. It's an in joke. She creates a community. I get all those things but then I get stuck doc on stuff that is supposed to appeal to me and really doesn't appeal to so many other people. I miss talk sports fairly in depth and they were New York sports on Mike Wallace on senators. who were my senators? He was at C. Span. For God's sake I think it was the anger I think think that if a show vibrates just on a different wave level than you. It just can't work imus was this growly and and later in Life Lemme cowboy New York seeming not at all to enjoy any aspect of life. Howard Stern goof on people but some of his targets were my targets to other angry? Sports talkers on the radio station. That W NBC became Wfan. They'd get angry at coaching decisions. And you know what. Sometimes those coaches were wrong. I think we can get on board when someone else's enthusiasms aren't your own. Sometimes they could win you over sometimes. It's just fun to revel in it. But it is harder to find kinship kinship went. Someone's hatreds aren't your own. Then it begins to seem not like truth telling but just off Pudding Don Imus was seventy nine nine. He's in the broadcasting hall of fame. And that's it for today's show. Daniel schrader produces adduces digest. He mourns the recent passing of juice world. Big Bird sleepily beef pig foot. Mary the gist in a past life. I was a data driven scientist. Who absolutely did not believe in reincarnation and in my next life I will be an aphid with almost zero cognition so I'll still still be in the right improved appro- and thanks for listening?
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It was selling the big issue with the cats in a tiny debt chair beside him when his character Richter was a dog. I don't know what it was in the Deck Chad. Anyway but for those guys they call it. That's GonNa then if that's going to catch on. His weight is a we play saying Canterbury Canterbury News of the week. We record this going on quite a few months especially when it's November their plans to turn the magic chef showing knees near West Gate Towers into a pizza tonight. comporting this causing a lot of controversy here in Cancer Ryobi selling late. My alcohol will be open to three o'clock in the morning and the counselor and not happy about those things it's met with fierce opposition. 'cause it's next door to West Gate cabs which remains boarded up after the fire twin seventeen. It's not like like all. The shops in Cantabria boarded up to now base. How do we feel? Do we want to go back to being the magic chef Chinese Chair if you think that he likes the idea of pizza tonight hotels reselling booze. I think we've got our answer can count so so I try to get into the Cathedral today. You have to pay to go into. The Joel is known as it is. That's not what Jesus was about. He'd be furious about that. I just wanted to. Let's see where Thomas a Beckett got couldn't gain said who will rid me of this troublesome cashier and I when I was walking around today of just looking at the faces of the residents. It's kind of weird because those people in Canterbury seemed to have been in real life from this way so wins then I call myself in the mirror. It happened to me as well as the effect of country. I should say people home that when I did that joke it was in July and that was so currently such. It's upper go joe. You're listening November Edinburgh. Maybe in the future time and the problem the truth of fighting sappers come out how evily laugh eight eight faces aces and I'm going to have in my stomach. Just turn attempt to last week. It's been my daughter's old enough to be good. Good Fun now. I was playing with the other day plant paper-scissors-stone and then she got bored of that when we started playing stones' shoe that was assigned the show which is quite easy to guess last comment after. Say the shoe citizens beat shoes to be so you can too and you can put stone in issue. No more ridiculous than paper being stones to be honest and then she wanted to add another one she added gum. We decided that gun beat everything. Ah by both people went on. It was whoever shot I you can use. You can use that. You're going to do anyway right. That is my week. Let's it's crackled with the show. My first my only guest this week back next week do book for next week show same theater. He's very best known for playing a paramedic on the popular soap opera eastenders sometimes people shy in this permit paramedic from eastenders. Let's find out more per pound. Gentlemen the the backside so people might not know you play the paramedic on Eastenders Roy. What happened was are you sitting comfortably? Okay so my first job out of drama school my agents got your decision for a paramedic eastenders separately. Slight whatever is threatened around to quit and then they used to show on Sunday remember that the omnibus anybody over forty and he said and you get paid again. You get paid two author of your money on the Sunday for us so great so I faxed through the line. I think it's is going to be on those things can be so. I'm wondering I'm a garden about a week. I think he's going to be I pink because I'm a trained paramedic. I think he's going to be a Roy. I think he's going to be anyway. So I know where the bases covered WanNa turn-up edition so it turned out and I got the job lovely. Ah Director Geoff Feld job anyway. Congratulations you've got the job. First job trauma scores putting paramedic number one and the ambulance driver or win. Great thank you great foamy Asian and got the job. There's only one problem East Dr. So because I didn't even Nydia when he found out and they said all right. He's GonNa have to be permanent number to twenty-six line joined the reason why. I'm turn this long boring stories. It was because they remembered me from that par additional Barry Rice because you had more lines because you can drive worth two people shot. She about the paramedic. Paramedic is over that rich Chris from London's burning this birdied so short but it right twice written and here too. The I want my friend down Mario Moment I did. Text him to ask so I would have found Dan. You didn't come to acting straightaway. You're quite late acting. I was a maidstone voice of always been I was born in raised in. Ken Still Living Ken. I think people know that goanywhere people shout at me Bob. Monkhouse nineteen seventy. Ah So I left school. My ambition was to be an alcoholic postmen and I achieved it with distinction. I was one of the first the last telegram boys in Kent it was just when Pesky faxes came in so I joined as a telegram boy and instantly lost that a job because faxes came in so anyway I was opposed for years. Joined the navy. Yeah I was in there for a year. Found out was colorblind. He's a yellow uniform. Gave it away and then I sorta drifted did I did. I did all these sorts summer. Jobs like I was eighteen. Thirty Club. REPA- ponting's blue coat and worked in America. Ron Sommer comes every Christmas. Come back or every winter and shelves at Safeway's yeah. That's how you saw way through Jonas and it was stacking shelves at St Nighttime. I'm interested in you big of the navy though. I WANNA go back to that. Those incident on snowed in the Al.. Told me about okay so I joined the navy. I wanted to be like Prince Andrew. Ah I wish. From accounts of the St Matthias. opposable mom was a cleaner. We look Prince Andrew. I didn't realize it took billions of pounds worth of backing. Because he was his dashing helicopter pilot during the Falklands War and got a place at the flea. The eram Yeovilton and the last thing they did was the medical they find colorblind. So I could only. I wasn't allowed out to kill anyone Bisi. That's that's what being colorblind in the forces means you don't let kill and is that because the John me or any black people the white person and then we'll be in trump. I was so glad to use. I basically could be a stores Mun steward steward. A cook or a writer writer. A writer is put bright as a word for a pay account shoot as possible for white or silver service. There's nothing wrong with any of these jobs. But sets of governing saw joined us a writer but even even then could save a computers coming in and faxes the EMINI. Rogers you need these accounts to the warship. Now you know you just you just wages phone so the fax machines really had the information you so basically. I saw the writing on the wall and I was bored. A witless polite version. That phrase and I lasted nine months and got myself thrown out but the trouble is when you're over eighteen you have to sign on up for seven years so the hard part is how you get yourself thrown out so I looked up in a book. bed-wetting being a member of an extremist the organization literature on my bed. No one gave a damn knock but anyway so every the whites do was you had to fail tests on purpose right so I kept failing my last test that would have put me out into the fleet proper this this back to the snowden story. So then I'd hang around for four weeks until the next class caught me up and then not go for exactly the same thing with a different group of blokes didn't even know and then not fail the same test. Yeah so in the meantime boxed for the Navy or boxed against the stone in line inherited go backwards on every spot. Just talk box and another one was climbing expedition to Snowden. But it wasn't snowed and it's not as we know you can walk up restaurants on top of the pig party you can walk up is contributing which is next door and is honestly a hard climb honestly so we walked we literally in t shirts and flip flops and we kept climbing up. There is by by the tenant we got right of initiative anyone who's climbed in those conditions. The snow came down. So we're stuck up there and we're stuffed based we're going up too far without the right. Bivouac an one of our Mike. Simon Jones slipped and fell down a mountain and disappeared the whole thing so we edged down to the line with two broken legs broken legs so we had to climb down to him and then we kept trying to climb down climbed down. We stuck on a ledge that there's no way off of it so we had to just huddled down for the night and we will what I prefer nearly died. It Made News News at ten actually just after Reagan and Gorbachev Unite and fight. They said ten young naval cadets mission on on mountain so just before we died White House lying there and this dog appeared on me so if you know slobbering all over here please dog in my life and it was the rescue dog and Eh Bali Aria from we ended up. They saved our lives. Yeah not enough to get. You kicked out the navy. Dan Dan Company it was on the front local papers. They covered it up and see if we had. We didn't and then nothing more poor old like that to phone up and CEO was fading suicide. Or you know so I just wanted to vice chief. I left there and join sideways as a shelf stuck. Ah Drinking a bit three twenty s drifting around a bit you been. My biggest biggest ambition was Lee schooling with my dad and his may two postmen and the post office was a great job. Because you literally all right you just to get a half four. That's the bummer guys. If you're thinking of being opposed but that's the bomber. I have to tell you that but then you finish work a lot off twelve. So you'd be in the pub. Ah from half twelve to two and then go home. Abbott Mill. Go back to go out with a makes an evening so at sixteen at the post office uniform so no one challenged my age also ten points sixteen which crept up to twelve hundred seventeen. Probably fourteen eighteen going. Because he's just in the wings he's with Butler he knows it hasn't gone away no seriously what got me away from. That drank far too much Christian. What I was GONNA ask it? What whoa what made you turn around because obviously you have ten drama school? Yeah Yeah because I realize there's a last chance really because nature going nowhere and stacking shelves at Safeway's Still living with my mom overweight drinking so much always quiet. Catch ladies by the way and someone said to me wanting go down the local m-dram because there's always lots of single ladies because there is because you know it was hard to get young men 'cause they're very self conscious so went down on there and yet girlfriend managed to get into drama. Golden Age of twenty seven could Weber Thoughtless Academy which no longer exists. Hope passionate no longer exists accounting. Blue Coat doesn't exist. Holloway camp doesn't exist Mason post office. The site doesn't exist. Are I was a a dog was cut him. It doesn't exist. You WanNa be careful. You're mice by facts that no longer exists exists. I'm just warning you you still here though you still survive all of these things disappearing so so what it was one of the place at Dramas co-author if you don't concentrate to try on this your stuffed and I realize it was a great chance out of nowhere to really turn my life around for three years or lays it on acting. You wouldn't think so if you look at it perform bus. I did and I laid on acting and go out drinking for good few months and just went back to so many bats we now I just lays it into this voice. You'RE GONNA end up on a park bench and so I worked hard and but you must have been quite. I'm I'm my friend went to Webber Douglas and he was quite a pash young students. Twenty student would you standing at. Did you make friends with actors. There was unusual. Have you ever seen the film. Scum Roy Winston the Weapons Academy Daddy of Checkoff Wing. I was the man it was great. It was run by lovely Glycol Rafchicago who was instrumental more than anyone of getting working class. People into drama schools so it was him. And if you are the people who really tried to grant system and I got half agron under Thatcher you know this is this an achievement Grosso great for a moment. That's dumped the restaurants. Pay Him back and I was so lucky to be able to go. We're talking great. That died at the age range of eighteen year olds right for two thirds. I wasn't even the youngest oldest person on the course there were thirty thirty one so it was great. Yeah eastenders actress came from where. But let's Grantham Anita Dobson Roskam because the founders Judah Judah Smith and Tony Holland went to day so they remembered over these lovely actors when they first put eastenders on and they kept employees. and Ed so I guess he's Eastenders came quite. I mean obviously was the first job how long before then the return so upham was a got a job as a paramedic and then I got the obligatory job in the bill which is such a shame on it was such a great hire of act is and I did inspector Morse with John. Thaw was wonderful waiting for gold with Stephanie. Colin Graham crowded. And then the Barra come up to my just have right now. You got auditioned Asian for Pop Barrett so went up. Met The car ninety nine each Sarasota. She said he's the cost in brief tells you everything you need to know about a character. A history of some scientists corridor and it says Barry Evans is a big good looking for his friends. Call him golden boy. Ah So stop me head around the corner. Thanks very much for the one but she said no the actor who was GONNA play Roy. Tony Tony Selby. WHO's best dining get some in the statistic in Ocho in the Seventies? He's unloaded stuff Tony but he was cautious royal roads and he pulled out so then they cost like Tony Kornheiser. Who looked more like my dad and my own dad? Got The par. -PEUTIC WHO's Tony Corner or what him because he was a well known character actor. So you know we're business it sort of you know. Your fate is always decided especially in the early days. Someone else you know and Yeah I got the job puree Tony Carpenter and even then in your is. It wasn't like supposed to be a permanent fixture and fitting I mean I was signed up for four episodes and then I was sitting at home one and then I did three ready. Barry was just there to get Roy into marry PAP and they tried to make me a hard man which chom not Winston so I gave cindy the number of the Hitman shot in bill. If you're under thirty talk about yourself I you set fire to the car lot to try and get rid of the might read character frank and Phil Mitchell was in one of his alcoholic phases and was sleeping in this nearly barbecued Phil. Mitchell ritual. Close folks so Basically I had to have my barry went to prison and I said I'm coming back. Ah We're not sure so then. I spent six months really not knowing what was going to do whatever they wanted me back about occasional job I remember going to numerous. I told him you know our member going into the cashpoint and people are going to bury flush. The cashier must be minted. Cart refused policies. Nothing worse than being famous and skin trust you know so so that was it. So it wasn't sure and then eventually they gave me the chance to go back but in the meantime the reason why we're going to cabaret was a friend of mine. Who runs something called the casino rooms? In broadcaster. Remember the casino rooms our imposed stone as a few veterans of the Casino Rooms were messy nights they were and he said you WanNa come along and be a company. So what does that mean he said. Well you can come along you bring on the support actually go out sing song. Tell a few jokes principal at take. Them off-again everyone eats their chicken and chips in a basket. And then you come out singer Jokes Ladies and gentlemen and bring on the support of the the lead at two weeks. There's been pretty star Jim. Davidson the drifters they essex. So even forgot to ask them mm-hmm who was going to be on the one Florida might read him so he was late. He goes stuck in traffic and the Dolphin tunnel weather so I went on Sung told a few jokes. These gentlemen coffee and cream this important whereas instead he's no hero and so the ground so you're on your money you gotta just keep going keep going to get something now. In many songs Song told a few jokes sang on gone there. When he's they might read need some in the dressing room full of relief a Mike Time Fan? It was broken so everyone was rocking walking in hanging off the sealants love might read until he started to tell a joke told in the warm. So we've gone from that Tom. Tom Boyd and he win. This is pretty bad impression in bed or correct jokes become pony it might be mid Sueif. They went yet barry remolded he picks up again he had a meeting at the palm initially started telling another job. That's what I remember where Oklahoma jokes listening tonight reading. The quake came broom cupboard one because he was a big blow owed him put his jacket on. And you won't pass covered anyone who say you were junk sleeve. Eighty forgotten about it when it went much hidden. They changed Barron quite a lot though. Didn't they from the the hobbit and then suddenly became a lovely ethical. Paul Bradley member Nigel. With the big flowery shirt and the kipper ties victories fence. I know until next week. There was a current accord. Nigel who wore bright Hawaiian shirts. And keep its is poor Bradley. He loved fellow ended up in Hobe. So Haiti was the resident fat funny man and then he left. They decided they needed a funny man. So they sort of the bottom optimize Barron shifted him over to that role they did you know. She went from burning down the car. Lot to think longevity. Yeah it is yeah. It's interesting isn't it. When you see this is what subsequently you've used your advantages you just well but you become so associated with a character like when you have that success? Is that double edged sword that you've got this massive successful character but if if you WANNA move away or move on that people do associate you with the character. I think what the problem was at the time. Do you remember there's only four TV channels Adams dream when you watch top of the box of your dad. WHO's this idiot? Boy George. That was Bogor Bras. What is it remember? But it was great fun so people had to watch the same thing they had. We had this. You know so there was only four channel you get twenty million Liam paper on a Tuesday night when it wasn't a murder seriously I mean it was. It was extraordinarily so you just became famous. Relevant view telling them don't use it became famous. You know I mean nowadays. We've got pretty boy. It home to me out biggies and used to be one ribbon. Prince Harry got married a couple of years years ago. Did you watch four. People will own up to that next day. The pipes before they're eighteen million viewers right unbelievable it used to be Prince. Harry's went in eighteen million viewers that berets twenty. It is extraordinary but there were so many more leisure options shootings BBC. Don't have after and that's that's why it hangs about because a read somewhere. Hope is not true but the other day they've got two point four million people for an episode because people don't have to tune into famous boss. Socio yeah but it's is it because there's a soap opera because it's in your home every day you know you see other actors and you don't necessarily think oh the actor is the person feels like people feel wrongly. So because you're not like Barry Eh. I think what it is. I think when it comes to a so packs up you see them. Do dish stick so many many times like a busy so pack to will break down crying free times a year to again at whereas. If you're still matter or you're in a successful series do you look at that standalone performance of them having a bright and he finished Britain but when someone will in bills done it for the thirty six time you not only get tired of it you get in nude in a way to their talent. I'm being dead serious because you see them do their thing all the time. So all think is recognized as a sort of second form of you. Don't get a day where we had guys Amadou Alan Dominic and let's just come on. Let's call him. That's GonNa punish good enough yet. They were brilliant. I mean if you take out there was there was a story line with Paddy and Chas and the baby they lost the baby. I'm telling you as good as anything you'll ever see and put because people just so and then there was the big follow up to now she's pregnant again is not regarded on the same level as benedict cumberbatch. Bright and some do and you guys are working so hard I mean I in any of those. Any job is waiting around a lot learning lines. Doing that's up your not even rewane around that much because you're in the next episode neccessity subsidies work. They're making a move your week. Oriole remedy find a way to the making move away to sometimes. A standard is bound to fluctuate. But back to your point what happened apple more. If you're a nonstop fan because you go coming up now what they do. He's days. What happened was years ago? You remember there was only two episodes a week and I think it was Tuesday and Thursday then in a Monday night. Episode episodes of that that that was three Friday was four week when there was only two. You go in the day before and you'd rehearse it like a play so beautiful marks on the floor and the cavern. It'd be undermined do that sort of thing. And so when you went on set the next day it took less time to produce this but it went to three a week and there was a few roses. They don't forget it of onset they said we'll film the rehearsed of his ending. Google being deadly serious because I got almost called multi camera world. We're watching a movie. Tom Cruise film everything. They'll film was close up. The new film is Mitch on the subsoil. Don't fool with close up or use different hand to pull the thing away from me. Then they'll Mitch Mitch Dorin FM along show and it's meticulous. If the close up isn't good enough they'll do again again again. Mulji Cam remains you got four cameras on your time. So they get one take so if things and they'll take it so as a result it's just film so much quicker don't actors of Matt Makeup so saying I've always wanted to be on eastenders the brewery manager from Loxton Copley every year. There's a brewery manage different actually comes in and gives the landlord the whole time and he was always wanted to be in eastern. There's one episode the poor blow. He's GONNA set. They've taken back in his car in twenty minutes and that was his eastenders his experience. But they just haven't got time so the least you all when you leave is efficient. I'm not saying that's a great thing. But you know beliefs your neighbors sufficient. Yeah but no everyone becomes a beloved character even be ruined it for a long time. You know there's people you wouldn't remember from twenty years ago in eastenders walked into Kareem. You wouldn't ema go the baruch actor really resonate. I think it was lucky. I was given a lot of the comedy. It's always been the more serious one if you don't watch them but if you're in the comedy very well Coronation Street has done double X.. Very well eastenders. There's always been quite hard hitting an event. They always sort of going to have their way to tackle issues. But that could also be heavy so when you give all the comedy. Yeah Yeah you more memorable dot com or whoever you know. We're giving the comedy in for some reason I've changed my passport now so it's just easier agree Miami. They own American New York Berry was shown. Komo what Michael. CAIN is just chugs. He's at the age of Eight. Your tomorrow for Morris Bicker. What Michael because these? Because he's known own even in Thailand and Uber Morris. Bickmore is dragging me in the back room. So he he's he's possible and he's like seventy s just given find these. I've seen much but it wasn't until I honestly and openly about agree and I think a very apple leave eastenders. You made that decision to go. Really He. He was sort of your decision was it. It was yeah I gave up eastenders to appear on this very stage in pencil time for Kevin would and got. It wasn't for this this 'cause you've been waiting a long time a few bits and pieces in between because it back in the day. No you didn't just let people fell off to the jungles to become dancing and because construct into the show from James it was dumb but the trauma was forty. It's a core of my life and extenders so desperate to anything else and I was trying to some time off. They wouldn't give it to me the story of Janine which will go onto. I'm sure later supposed to find out but by marriage janine. She ended up pushing me off a cliff to Scotland on New Year's day we got married on New Year's so you've inexpensive shake that. Aw CLIFFE's Scott Controversy. Four was he pushed. Did she mean to just push me away from tumbled back and fell off the cord. What did she mean to push me? Things are just tripton followed feet everything she major push me. Religion couldn't care less. Ah Sinking. Muslims found out the Russians. Romans have a passionate love affair with Pat Butcher so jump but this time it's difficult to leave and you worked all all the way through so we all this stuff is true. You've worked all the time you like. You've you've taken a lot of things have been offered to you. Maybe it's gone on measure. This'll it's just an interesting early on the show gender swap that you could do this show anymore. But I'm prevented have you back. Say So. What happened was they did a show that featured oversee prosthetics and always going to become woman? Who is going to become a man? Luckily I don't think there's much everybody was just before everything stayed online forever. Got So they basically did these prosthetics prosthetics and I didn't look much different. It wasn't that good good to be honest so I was always so self conscious activity. Do a very good acted your counts. Money look a Wolfman Moustache so the first one hundred do was go mike. Some purchases from Brent Cross shopping centre so that was a Roy. The second thing to do was used to being a member of a quiz team. The Unicorn be just over the railway bridge the railway crossing. I'll have to go into cuisine dresses this woman about the phenomenon nominee of cuisine which they very politely when longer for about ten minutes. Joe Wants it just pissed off. Ah The earth and had to do was go speed dating abroad Tiger Tiger in Hammersmith and I had to go around ten different the guys every three minutes and it was the longest off my lawn. Although one of the guys did put it off in such doc what was what was the official is in price to put twenty grand have done. Everyone has to do these things. And you're like me but unlike made in some ways you very inter- quizzing as you said that you've done lot TV quiz. Show the Guy I think you and I probably top two players ever on pointless. I don't I don't like to brag inside. I'm ready to go in the first round with two hundred points. The first one you got the highest the the highest number of citizens in the kitchen. Yeah okay can I can. I have three times. What we've out the thing is most celebs or wherever you want to call them? This so immersed in their career. They don't worry about what's the smartest you know. Come on the Africa mainland or they may not bother the Gambia by the way they not bothers. Societ- I just I. It's my hobby and I want to win so manage to win won the Jackpot three times in one can lean on boilers answer. and mastermind and the chase. And how'd you do. We want to move you. Mossman was great because I was especially was Richard. Burton Welsh actor. And there was myself anti-war Thompson the Chef Jeremy Bowen the war correspondent and then there's an MTC on the end anyway. So I'll get talking to Jeremy to antiwar tops and he said I'm Richard Burton's God some because he stabs at the in the fifties. I want a good with him. And we said it was on the end and then what you find out later so just forty shows door was income blog labrador divy Plunkett and two a huge security means. So he's off to my left charming man but had to help him to the seat. Because there's a big drop in front of the chair before you go over to John. I'm freeze and I was more nervous about that than the body inquisitive. What was his subject? David Blunkett Subject Harry Potter. So basically I managed to get seventeen seventeen and then a grim death on general knowledge and just edged tongue. I got thirty five points. Came second really. Where did you lose to Stephen Henry Henry case you did antiques? I'm never talked to him. I had the highest EPA school for two minutes. It's one of the ones you've been. There was something else wanted to one of the other one. I'm writing a book. Yes about my year in quizzing style with the world championships last month and ends next June. Savage it's my year in the life of quizzing so yeah and he's autobiographical at the end of each chapter the questions from that night and the answer. Becker books always always a quiz book as well. I'm just giving people would assume that Barry do quizzes. So that's that's a that's a correctly so that is that your secret weapon. I think so. Yeah people don't expect too much in anything you know you're multitalented me generally are all all down to the front desk thing you can do. It's disingenuous and what's impressive. This lock your already very long career. You you're a young man. He's he's still you're still head and so it's always great important again now. It's being serious. It's been Jack of all trades and not to be honest I wouldn't do gender swap again and being deadly series wouldn't Malek's shot now anyway but you know it's still still think I'm going to have fun is like this. Friday summit comes out called five gold biology so self Lord John Prescott forgot a stroke bless wishing luck worry power. He's doing very well. Michael Book the newsradio correspondent Amanda Berry. Anita Harris is the youngest person. Nineteen this is the youngest on a job since waiting for God in one thousand nine hundred four ask what you know. What do it because I had the best time a two weeks on a barge and very generous with the fridge? Honestly I got mattress field deputy canal and in the Grand Union. I'm not going to turn down somebody like that. The problem is you know every time you do this. You'll dream of playing uncle. Vanya is receding into the mist back. But you know I can't wait for that and be. It's just a life experiences that made you meet different people and you go places. You wouldn't otherwise the wife do just enjoy it. I think but we had that is under Motagua extras and the second is the same. You could say the same about less is ups and downs and less than a lot of shows. And then I think both of you to choose into you. Know being chosen then choosing the extras and as you know less just joined the royal shakes back again. That phone call tip work for the National Theatre Governors. So we can happen is just but you realize every time you go and tell the interest the chicken you doing it to yourself. You've got no excuse me no excuses no one else. He's fully because you do it yourself. Are you going to pay the bills and of fun. But both of us and all view in extras then Keith. As well you owned what the stereotype was. And I don't know how much ricky and Steve Mnuchin at sort of decided they were thought they were taken the pace of whether they were joining him with the Joe but but by owning then you took really real control of. I think you're right. I mean I was in my God My ex wife said bridge abates on the phones at because I said it's GonNa be Steve Pegged member. Steve you used to do radio wind ups pretend and to be someone infected someone else food. Tony Blair was but someone else unbelievable he said No. It's him so to show extras. I said I'd love to see what's name character. Barry from eastenders this when you know you talk about this is but a phone. Don't want my daughter picked the Fordham. Hoya daddy she said WHO study she said WHO said his barry the mom so he said to me look. Everyone's apparently it gets older the actors numbers and he gets. Hold you before your Agen. And you ain't got no bargaining power is not selling so we sent you said you're going to get the Mickey Tech but we all and he said he said. We got quite windy as a non Ben. Stiller is really horrible. If these people are doing it I'd love to see the first series always officially with Stephen Merchant playing his. If you've never seen it I'm playing a comic version of Shaun Williamson. But I'm a Stephen Merchant. WHO's an agent? Darren lamb his his assistant. And he just calls me Barry so I never get any work apart from doing of our texting around these flat sleeping rough in a car. So that's the basis basis of extras but then in the second series so was on Abba. Eight seconds he was dropped on them out or work with David Bowie. A I ended up with very naughty pen. Ladies plugs come off. That was my pen and Stephen Merchant Legend himself quote looked at his pain. But my Robert Deniro so you know and and it was great fun and then they put me to show too short which wasn't successful because it was it was it was just a show about Mark Davis being shot but it was. I mean they melted the six episodes in a needs to special every dwarf guide. You can think was in there and it was lovely and the Easter Special Warwick Davis took over the careers of Miki Cheb. Dennis and took us out in the roads. A cab record. I WanNa say as much fun as you can have new close on it. It was it was so much. And let's said he made up quite a few line that you had Lebron. Can you think of a funny line and like you could add live. which wasn't that often? Because they are brilliant. Comb out now and again. There was the same of a Muffin. The made them laugh in to reshoot it a few times they were well actually read Libyan but obviously a lot the time. You can't do anything in this show. So that was obviously a huge turning point for you in terms of what it was. It wasn't in term of being typecast as me then in which only stores have got worse but to me why I think that was the latest crop of writers and directors who were union. Time worship Stephen and now out and about doing so I do get worked from you. Know what I mean and they also were messy fans are veteran laws too short so I do get worked from. How was it being the manager for you I was? I was daily with your manager. And he's had placed called him back from me status. He doesn't mind. Please don't please collusion as one of the things nothing you can. Do you know who are we going to do is go with the flow a Every anybody over forty. It's Berry anybody under forty or thirty S. Nobody wreckage of as anybody at the age of eighteen is a children's series called scoop scoop. You know some I can now get on a train when a load of schoolchildren and beyond molested which is great content so so I think it brings up. Things have gone verbally unmolested. You know it's just that thing whereas it goes on. It was one of the first song. Thanks to really give a Asian and black families. Great storylines whatever you Londoners deadly serious a lot of Asian over forty everywhere. Are you gonNa you know Barry. It's just not going to go away. I'm going to ask some questions. Do you think barry from eastenders trying to suck his own. There was there was an even bigger got their time. It's not gonNA happen because let's face it if it could get married. You go out which judy ask embarrassing questions because people want to hear them. You Bet that's a taste of it. I'll go in there. Good choice of words I will go early because we're out in London now. These people just less sophisticated though I ask you this. I think I've got the answer. Is We did briefly talk about this. Have you ever seen a ghost okay. So so I did big brother. Obviously for autistic reasons. Dipping brother is a long phone Michael with someone who had grown very close to over the years and the compensation let this hatred Marcy. Have you got the money may not HMO saint than we'd like your house will give me two weeks. I was lovely Derek a coral so they were very very successful members right but they were obsessed in the room with me Derek. Fake and he does and I said I believe Derek fields and everything. He believes he feels. It's as simple as so Derek Foamy. We moved into a new house bill. We moved into a new house and straight away there was banging banging in West Bengal Lewis boxes being the other one. So we did we got ghost and Derek Foam Yup. She wanted me to be on his radio. Oh you're show roseberry right okay. Rosemary's the name of the Lady House. Because you know if your man you you got teddy bear or not. Everything by mail is just habit. Isn't it your dollars decatur a teddy bear. He's always call my nine. Goes there Basil Komo so wherever Dennis shut up. Whatever Rose Marie so basically yes we have got a noisy goes in our house and the coordinator is cool Rosemary? So calm really. I do believe the spirit people lingo where they were all the time. There's evidence of poltical bit more. Leery assume there must be well. He's only have you ever seen anything he's just noises. She's she's a Rubaina. She's just a monkey trapped in the walls. AH WE'VE WE'VE BEEN in Jewish survivor not to be able to sell must run avalanche. must run and I've got some new ones at the back of this book in this. This is an interesting question. What was the last time you were on? A coach. Travelled by coach the shattered my images man. Not even bus on Koa News. They didn't have to but he's no longer show everywhere coach. He's a brilliant question. Because I commend anything I mean I prescribe a deputy my twenties when I was lost in the coach. But I don't think I've I think it must have been a greyhound. Bus Atlanta to New Orleans in about nine hundred ninety going Camp America at Boot Camp America and afterwards we have America's is some company America. And afterwards you get six six weeks on on your visa you do what you want your j. of so myself and Matt McKenna. We hitched bite. We did that. We follow. Jack Kerouac wrote down to New Orleans. on the road stepped in tennis court in People's back gardens. We rough we got picked up by a guy who seemed to be very nice. It's time that we were willing short. Union Jack Short. I was raised me. Figured it's all ladies obviously and obviously a a we got picked up on his goal and Shit behind the driver and he was in the front and I was enough. Got Good. How's he doing? This guy was getting a bit grubby. ARC's all up in here. He's he's got boss Hogg Jukes Being Art Ball and then your warranty digs. I'm Andy I think even even though so chapel thoughts and go mommy rucksack and we're all going to do this juggling India Eddie let free in the morning drive around this roundabout screaming abuses so we got quite help us from Atlanta. The last the last third of amazing. When you know like you've got grownup kids now yet? Yeah Hitchhiking when I was eighteen gang into those scrapes and Vic Reeves. WHO's next week? I hate to was picked up a friend of Rosemary. West is what we discovered. Last time you saw the show. I think you're Ogle and then let him go when he realized it wasn't again things. It's amazing how we would just let to do these things and everyone traveled. We'll stories like that. But this is the thing my son's just come back from Camp America John Literally just come back before dodgers apprenticeship when you think back in the day I'll find my parents once every four-time factor did it once drunk. Before the morning. They loved that. I don't mean for two weeks is there. Is there anything important with sawed off Joachim attacks that it's that instantaneous. Although it doing for the world has become a more dangerous place. Yeah Yeah I think what it must say was as dangerous. We just didn't really know I mean it's become dangerous in different ways but it clearly was as dangerous sending when I look at when you see kids in late teens now children how could how could you have children and let them go. Obviously very dangerous picks up a nice nice sit. You can't play the British forgive. You can't play the British card like us to be able to this. Well you're from England because the web and you know what I mean Nixon Scotland. Forget all that unless you end up in Whoville Indiana population one hundred. You can't don't play that trump card anymore. Trump got the right word trump card. Look it's been ugly talking to you. We're going to have to wrap up in a second but we will ask about something else but you've been doing some writing. Well Yeah I've got. Ah I've written a couple of not success with my written a couple of episodes of an Irish local great rock newman training films of come so close a couple of times to crack the big one about a story about hop pickers you come down from London to on the war breaks out that got serialized by radio. Cancun edens end brushed up a bit but it was great to for that to happen. It was it was incredible. So yeah he wanted to plug away and hope for the Biggie. He really did. This is jade one wonder was that was that was that answer. Jd one who wonder was made by my script and it was an idea for a film own based on a friend of mine called Mark Noise. WHO's filmmaker but that hasn't really go out of the starting blocks it right but you know what is going on I am I am the show so you know the international movie database? You only say yes to someone aspiring filmmaker. Yeah you can put me in touch me. And he's on stream DP. There's loads of films. No neither of different in British films. It's so difficult season where they get made and they just spend video whatever debut vide download that rape by in the same way. There's never been a bedtime to get one out. It might be a flop. At least you can probably get out there on some cable channel as opposed to. I'm trying to approach BBC. Your the financial was quite but at least there's never been a better time to get out over even if it's on your phone and you share it as there's an example of your work so took game when you're going to be in a carry on film right wasn't very quickly. They were going to relaunch the carry on brand. Who's going to we can go carry on England the fact you carry on London so I went to the launch pizza? Rogers who is the legendary producer of the carry on films so I went to see him office Elche studios a pipe would find with me and the producers wearing page because his words stillman woman everything so award was office and this great big German shepherd rose up to meet me all over this German shepherd and who jacket went off. Got One of them. And say you love me straightaway. So he said I'd like to bring the film win that's fantastic. And then he invited me to eat with him in the restaurant and at the end used to finishes finishes mutually plummeted topless days and he turned around and he waved everybody over there look at him or not walk off and turned around and he slipped on Spiritus. You don't know yet. So we're GONNA launch guests have Steven Norris Empire the House of Commons to launch an on my couch was was co dickey ticker autographs as de Ticker and then never got might be perfect for carry on sort of carry the Kenneth Connell. Yeah pizza what was his name. Butterfield Roosevelt to fight Brown because one of the bumbling I'm sort of cowed isn't it could be nothing I could see. It does not be exactly the same but I don't know he's sort of carry on. It's a difficult thing to a lot. They've tried to bring it back. It's all about now again again. Brisk a big risk. Think just foam me. I'll do it. And how are you enjoying without Marie. Yeah one of the wonderful offshoots of being a being successful important. This was always given the chance to be on L. Marriage Great British pub quiz on the quest channel on a Sunday at the boundaries discovery. A massive in America. So he's on the question. And here's some good stuff and basically brainy bomb and it's a bit. It's a bit like a work and also of Alexandra Armstrong enrichment so there's a round will beat the bomb. Were to come out and I take on one of each team so we go face to face and talking allies lot Boston blind and it might be named African country so we literally they bring the bow. We name African countries in two zero runs L.. So that was great fun. Does anyone ever be. I'm not saying y'all because some of the subjects they missy so a town with a beer and sometimes you just you know star wars which is a I think a won two and lost its way because allies how is himself. And you're the land. Your the kind of landlord is that was that L.. Doesn't play the Poblano he plays L.. Murray Yeah so strange trying to stop but he wanted to get away from that. I know he was recently in his show. I mean he wants to get away from me. Don't do Kleesset by Barry. Then just move because I know but you'll you'll the public land look when you're the bomb in it and yes he's like my pop so I'm I'm behind the ball. If there's an answer comes out explain why. It's the answer some originals and appointments and then I'll come from behind and it's very good. It's very good. It's a good good check. I've enjoyed the ones I've seen and it's great. It's great to see you this book coming out about quizzing and rioting Bush and anything else in the pipeline that you can talk about Sitcom called Mr Winner. Young Young Ladies called Spencer Jones. It was Rimba. Matt Morgan who was a Brussel brands script writer. Many moons ago and Matt Mortgage Brokers Brilliant Six. It started off as remake of some of us. Do have them but then it found its own right entity so spencer. Jones plays Spring Spencer type character. A total nightmare creates habit. Wherever he goes he plays my son in law in so he's married to my door so I'm stuff so to him and he wrecks my business really and grace have life but that should come out in October? Great Okay Cool. Well it's been really fantastic. Have you on this. And you know didn't ask your hair transplant. There isn't time done. The you've had one OSC you. I'm a great guy. I'm hugging ever get lost up snowdon again. You're winning the next show next week. In fact when you've been Balak about restoring my guest John Williamson. Thank you to pass for providing on music. Thank you to everyone at the Malo Theater Canterbury. It was a beautiful place to be. Thank you Deborah to go processed. I percents tricks. Everybody helps us film this. Show there all right do Do my executive produce a harsh thing. I'm also depth. My producer Tamed Hingley. I'm less injected this time to walk. But he's still really nice. Got An the title by what I said. It'd be credits. This is calm falls on skype. DADO PRODUCTION HEAD TO RICHARD DOT COM mm-hmm and you can find out all about me. Many things I have done. I love. You will take care out there on the roads by. Yeah the Yeah uh-huh.
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"Get twelve weeks of the spectator in print and online for just twelve pounds and we'll give you a twenty pound Amazon gift voucher absolutely free. GO TO SPECTATOR DOT CO DOT UK food slash voucher. Hello and welcome to coffeehouse shirts, spectators, daily politics, podcast I'm Cindy, and I'm joined by Katie Booze and Fraser Nelson. So after podcast of the day in which we were asking when the government was Gandhi U-turn, they have finally you on this exams Fieschi the government has announced it will be taking Xm results from teacher assessments instead and not from Marx or any of the of quote algorithms in an interview. This is what Gavin Williamson had to say, who was incredibly sorry rule those students who have been through this when we came up with the system, which was broadly supported to prosper spectrum of. You know calculated grades. What we were doing is to ensure that we have the fairest possible system making sure that we look after the interests of all students when it became apparent that there were fantasies within the system is the right thing to act. Now. Katie this u-turn is not exactly that surprising but the government has been dragging its feet over and as recently as Saturday everybody was telling the Times that there would not be eaten. What's changed pressure Cameron different sources I think obviously, you had more moratorium peas including two ministers going public today on social media and oostrum suggesting that they were very happy I. Think for Minister to go public is quite unprecedented. US had Johnny Mercer. Now I think there's a T-, fatty outspoken ministers but still the fact that both of them felt that they needed to and what able to break from collective responsibility I think it was very especially with this government which places such an importance discipline. A message I was really struck see the penny more than breaking ranks because you had thought the Boris Johnson drilled into the no matter what happens you. Criticize my government publicly and here it was falling apart and then I think you've had their ongoing backlash from students feel they've been wronged parents of students. Various bodies always had the opposition attacks, but I think in terms of wed Downing Street Otani decided that to change in tack I think it was seeing individual cases coming forward. So you can have an algorithm and say booty walks maybe a few people. Happiness with the greatest number wherever you want to say to justify it. It's different when you hit so many agonizing stories about individual people you feel that dreams of the hopes have been crushed and they haven't had any role in that haven't had any chance to prove themselves either way. So I think it has led to this point. I think is personally very embarrassing Gavin, Williamson, perhaps several reasons, but also because on Saturday he was so insistent that wasn't going to be Utan. We'll see had education ministers holding QNA's MP's the past week saying we're not going to follow in the footsteps of Scotland and go to predict grades Martin that God. Look what happens when you do you debase the value? And it's humiliating humiliating Kevin Williamson to have said so many times that you wouldn't you turn. Of course, he would not have said that on on Saturday Friday if he hadn't felt number ten by him. So this is yet another example of number ten basically giving mixed messages to his own ministers. Okay. I'm coming here. The Game Williamson tested law our busts, Boris Johnson support was for him. With the going to stand by it because like what has changed I mean the only thing that's changed is that the consequences the inevitable consequences, the predictable and predicted consequences of abolishing exams were there for all to see and yet again, we have a government whose failure your that the penny was simply slow to drop. It didn't work out even by the way after Scotland demonstrated in glorious or inglorious technicolor was exactly was waiting for them Serena, not just gotten williamson but number ten as well looked as Kolon thought, you know what? We will be able to withstand this pressure. We're going to get the same sort of complaints, but we're not going to resort. To giving them tick teacher predicted grades because we think that would be unfair. We politically stronger than that. Well, they just learnt otherwise. Now, of course, I should be pleased that the government has them done what I was saying in my television Coleman Friday they should do which is abolish the Captain University places I think that's important because good universities can now expand but still what a tobacco, what's a fiasco to put young people through and I would say the governor's reputation for competence has been damaged by this but let's face it that reputation has taken a fair old knocking during this Cova crisis, and this unfortunately is just the latest episode fairly long and. Humiliating trail of of u-turns fundamentally it was a failure of imagination that was the problem. The cassidy exams didn't imagine what the results would be an Katie. As we mentioned universities cab is gone sit that universities can now taking as many students as they want but this comes days after those days pros way of frustration investors were giving the choices and other students guarantee clearing. So what happens next I mean it's not the end of the saga. Now via the Caspian if did, but you already had some universities indicate events that they would not be able to increase the number of places and instead food those who are eligible. There'd be offered places for next year's course instead now let's see that moves because of other answer we just had but I think it is not the end of the saga a d think most MP's. Have captured there is no way to get out of this whole episode unscathed. There is going to be some damage and I think that they're nights today today's property CENA's least west option gas you US doe can have some. Polls he feels like they have missed out on that places might get into them this year but I think of all the options they had left on the table and this is the one that's going to please probably the most people but also probably calm things most intense at the parliamentary party. I. Think People have opening concluded created that this was an imperfect situation both in terms of what you could do and also the mistakes made so far. And what about giving Williamson's personal position in the cabinet here of course, with John Swinney the Scottish Secretary for Education to resign over his he didn't. But Kevin Williamson hasn't exactly covered himself in glory here. No but nor can he be held entirely responsible for this position to cancel exams will be one that would be number ten decision that wouldn't have been one that. Gamble instant. We've taken himself, and soon as it was taken, the chaos looking at was guaranteed because the only alternative to exams is to have 'em pupils assessed by teachers right? That's the alternative even even a one percents downgrade rate was enough to cause this sort of trouble. So I don't think that Gavin Williamson's or cooked up this mess and his own cauldron of incompetence. He is not handle this particular well mainly because he said he wouldn't you and then he was forced to but then again. If it were up to him, he probably wouldn't have you turned. It probably would have tried to steal it out, but it's very, very embarrassing for a politician to say, read my lips no u-turns and then have to eat his words because it devalues. He's every promise you then go on to make so. There's no doubt about humiliating for him but I don't think he ought to resign over this because I think that this was a collective government decision. That we are going to see so many side effects of lockdown. We have just properly caught a glimpse of just one just one of the many things that were inevitable whom we decided to shut down our economy and society. We're going to get a report later on this week, looking at a number of extra cancer deaths that they're going to be as a result of lockdown because of the drop in urgent cancer referrals, there's going to be so many other ways and that of the collateral damage of lockdown going to express itself we've just seen the beginning today so I think. This will be a government wide problem. I. Suppose It's if anything can come of this actually does hopefully will focus political minds on what happens when you do lockdown in this way, people will always pay a price and usually it will be m young people more vulnerable people least able to take the hit I think it's easy to Bash Gavin. Williamson. On this I think there are a lot of tour emp's Carney doing that some privately. But ultimately I think is likely he's about to go me he's about to resign I think he's about to be sacked. I think what you could watch for example is when we eventually get to reshuffle which known expects full some. Does it get me to different brief? attained. Think you're going to see him meet cabinet I think he is still seen as quite valuable to number Tan and say the number Tanner's of Rod controlling them batons the idea that they had no say, ooh input into the school's policy they have to bear in mind if you're going to try and be sympathetic let's not in the mood for the various different administrations as what she. Video audio students, different parts of the and I think nearly every party was criticized at some point which which has some role empower parts of the United Kingdom. So I think that there are definitely things you can locate in terms of decisions made by governments, antisne ministers, Bush were misguided but I think probably a broader pitcher and also just think on a fuel basic politics excitement I. think that. Number ten respect governance and perhaps not office education credentials. I think he has less education experience than many of his predecessors have but they think that he understands the parliamentary party this is a number. Ten ready has a big party management program I think the idea of putting. Gavin. When on the back benches is something that would make that worse not better. Theresa May's mistake. You ever think of course is that he's taking of flank for the closure of schools and the inability of the government to live up to its promises to he or year groups back for the end of the summer. But those schools didn't go back because of a social distancing measures that were mandated again by number ten. So new education secretary in the world could have overcome these problems for a unless you had the power the authority to suspend the social distancing regulations I think if we're going to draw any lessons from offbeat first of all, that's exams. Roller flaws are released bad way assessing pupils but also if we do have to do any formal lockdown. Again we ought to protect children first of all and we ought not to close schools. The funny thing is that the exams are just the most visible part of damage inflicted children's education people have been hurt and all sorts of age groups. By this, we've only seen what happens to those of assing exams is going to be kids who are seven years old eight years old who have missed vital chunks of their education. They're going to need a lot of help and it's a shame that's not as much. Attention is going to be joined their plight as has been drawn to the the outrageous plates of the Nielsen's and Katie. Finally, how is the mood in a Conservative Party today? Evidence wound down from their recess some holiday. Speaking to one MP. ADIA, and they're saying the frustration was eve had quarantine policies added in averages withdrawn but they said at least with that, there was something that you could justify. You might agree personally but you could find a way to justify it whereas I felt that with this whole situation surrounding exams, it appoints defending the indefensible. Are. Pretty Fed up, and we know that there's been lots of problems in terms of the relationship between the parliamentary. Party and number ten for some time that's been going on for months. But I think it's just things is exacerbated and as Fraser touched on. which is to a point where it just feels very numerous CDs UTANS now in Scotland for Nicholas informed various stimulus eaten, they have soda as a we are listening things I can look at them as that but I think after awhile you have to ask why do people keep tanning? It can't just be the great listening to people. By the way we've also seen the easyjet cancelled its flights from stanstead from southend from Newcastle. There's lots of local press. There's talking about job losses. This is am as said links to the quarantines tribal bands. So a lot of lockdown chickens are now coming home to Roost Katie Fraser thanks very much, and if you enjoy this podcast, do subscribe rate and review us and why not tell a friend about us to and do you remember we've got that twenty pound Amazon Voucher when you get twelve issues of the spectator for just twelve pounds Katie spectator or UK four slash voucher. Thanks for listening.
Marianne Williamson: "I Believe in a Higher Power"
"Welcome to season three of journeys of faith. I'm your host Paula. Farris excited for you to dig into this season. We'll be talking to political luminaries. Some candidates and other figures figures about how their personal faith influences their person. In policy love does not morally equivocate. And that is what will defeat. The president The the ballot box. Our next guest is a friend of Oprah Marianne Williamson who has both fascinated and confused as she continues her bid for twenty twenty eight now Williamson has some really unique views on gun control. She says she'd outlaw. Bullets and one of her signature. Policies is reparations. Pain pain the African American population hundreds of billions of dollars over the next decade. Her answer as to why is really intriguing. That Williamson also addresses the critics who call her a self help celebrity a menace to society an anti science but one indisputable truth. She has a massive and loyal following. We'll talk about her Jewish Jewish faith the truth regarding much talked about relationship with Oprah and her incredibly human take on simplicity of Miracles Marianne Williamson welcome to journeys of faith. podcast thank you so much for having me and I know it's probably been a whirlwind year out campaigning from state to state. You are in New York City right now forming me so I I want to dig into your own personal faith journey. I know a a lot of people. Think that you're the spiritual adviser to Hollywood and your Oprah's spiritual guru But when it comes to your own personal faith journey what faith what religion do you ascribe to. How do you identify yourself? First of all I do want to say I don't think of myself nor do I assume she does As Oprah's spiritual adviser okay we. We're going to call you open the spiritual. That's the problem though I am. I Ju I was born a Jew. I am a Jew. I think you're born Julia Dia do I am Jewish. I am also student of a set of books called a course in miracles and of course in miracles is not a religion. There's no dogma there's no doctrine students of the course in miracles come from all religions no religion and it speaks of universal spiritual spiritual themes. Certainly that are at the heart of Judaism at the heart of Islam at the heart of Christianity at the heart of all the great spiritual systems about living. A righteous live a humble life for a a a life of compassion. Life of forgiveness and being a student of a course in miracles has deepened. My understanding owning of how to apply Religious Principles to my life. I'm not saying that there was anything in the course of miracles. That's not found in Judaism or in in any of the other great religious systems. It's simply that it has helped me understand some of the ways that those things have practical relevance and application so these. It's a a set of books called a course at miracles. It's there's no dog might attach to it no doctrine so there is nothing in the course of miracles to believe in the course of miracles. It says that belief many people believe things. It's it's what you experienced that matters the only thing the course miracle seeks to get us to believe leaving is the power of love our lives and each other this there's no doctrine there's nothing that you believe in. I believe in God and that to me means I believe in a higher power the canoe for us what we cannot do for ourselves. And that when I align my thoughts with love I'm literally aligned with power. That's what I believe. You're aligning yourself with love in any given moment that I do. I'm not a perfect human being. But but I believe that in the moments that we do alignment love breakthroughs occur. If someone were to ask you what do you believe. How do you respond? I believe in God and I believe in the power of love and to me to believe in God and to believe in the power of love are one and the same thing okay. You can't have one without the other gods love. So how did you come to believe what you believe now what I believe now. I've always believed I was raised the Jewish home. It's not like I've learned anything from the course in miracles that isn't in Judaism more isn't in Christianity or isn't in any of the great religious the systems of the world the courses just based on universal spiritual themes so when you look at the actual universal themes at the heart of all the great spiritual systems. You see that there is one truth spoken in many different ways right. It's very interesting how you put it. You pushed back a little bit when I said that. A lot of people consider you Oprah's spiritual adviser. She did. Read your book a return to live. You've written thirteen bucks for New York Times. Bestsellers but Oprah said that. After reading a returned alive she experienced one hundred and fifty seven miracle. What can you say about the influence that she had on her? And your relationship with her. A miracle is a shift in perception exception. It's a shift in thinking from fear to love and Meisel colas that that's pretty huge great because everything flows from that when you're thinking changes everything changes your nervous. System changes your assumptions. Change your energy changes and ultimately your behavior changes angels and as those things change other people's responses to change life changes I mean this is pretty common sense. This isn't satiric truth. My book returned to love. I jokingly referred to it as the cliff note of a course in miracles. So when Oprah Radha returned into love. She talked about the changes in thinking that she considered reading that book. That book talks about forgiveness. Talks talks about the power of atonement and forgiveness and faith in a higher power and love of people and giving up our judgments. Nothing while this is not Wacko. Hello this is as as fundamental to any spiritual perspective as possible. It sounds like it's a just a simple shift within our own minds. That's exactly what it is one of your signature. Policies is reparations and you want to enlist a reparation commission if you are Elected president didn't and you want to pay back the the African American population two hundred to five hundred billion over the next decade. Is that correct. Yes and and let's talk about that in spiritual terms we might. It is a universal spiritual theme that we must atone for our mistakes. Catholics flex go to confession and the Jews and Judaism. The holiest day of the year is the day of Yom Kapoor. More the Day of Atonement right that you were tone own for your errors. When you've confessed a sin I e you've confessed in error you've recognized it you've acknowledged you have atoned in your heart for it? It as it were wipes the slate clean. You've you've dealt with on the level of cause and then you also also make amends. You take fearless moral inventory and you admit the exact nature of your character defects when we do that. Lives Change You. You can't have the future you want unless you're willing to clean up the past and and you think that this is something that the country needs well. When it comes reparations? For Slavery the issue is the following racism was our original character defect. I do not think the average American is a racist. I don't that's not my belief that's not my experience but I do think that the average American is woefully under educated about the history of race in the United States. Enslaved people where I bought here in Sixteen nineteen slavery did not end in this country for two hundred and forty nine years until the end of the civil war that was followed by another hundred years of institutionalized allies violence against black people. That's three hundred and fifty years That is longer than this country has been in existence. My main point has to do with the economic gap up that existed at the end of the civil war. Obviously the General Sherman promise forty acres of the mule to every former slave family of four. which would have given people an opportunity to make a living Martin? Luther King was one hundred years later. They were freed but what were they. Freed to Germany after World Award to has paid eighty nine billion dollars in reparations to Jewish organizations. This doesn't mean the Holocaust didn't happen but it has gone far towards establishing reconciliation between Germany and the Jews of Europe. The reason I propose a reparations transplant as opposed to let's say race based policies ray space policies leaves open the question who's faulted us That that gap exists exist reparations. Contain an inherent Mayo Culpa. It is an inherent acknowledgement of a wrong that was done. A debt that is owed and the willingness on the part of a nation to pay that debt reconciliation and healing therefore carries moral force. That goes beyond simply economic helmick exchange. Who who are your spiritual influences? Jesus Moses the PSALMIST S- anyone present day Robert Thurman the Dalai Lama appreciate the books of Diana Bass. I think any great artist is speaking spiritual. Truth you know. We put lines and categories in places where line categories do not necessarily serve a great love song as spiritual A great love sonnet is spiritual anything that opens your heart a spiritual. I want to go back to you to policy. How does your faith inform those particular policies when it comes to abortion and when it comes to gun laws I do believe that abortion is a moral issue? Okay I simply think it's the issue of private morality not Public Morlin. I do not believe that government has any right to be making someone's private moral decisions. I do not believe that the government has any right to weigh in on a woman's choice and that is why I'm very pro choice and I'm against any kind of limit on a woman said reproductive. Freedom gun control gun laws. How does your faith and my faith informs that we put the lives of our children before the lives of before the profits of manufacturers that once very very clear to me if you are elected president what would your policy be? Would you use executive order executive order to yes and of the problem we have of course is that as long has the. NRA has the kind of power that it has. There's a limit to what executive orders can do. But I would absolutely use executive orders to whatever extent possible to allow for universal background background checks outlawing bump stocks closing all the loopholes gun show loopholes the boyfriend loopholes outlawing all assault weapons the absolutely when we do that. We're still going to have millions of on the street. So what we're going to have to do is outlaw. The bullets I certainly. I don't WanNa mess with the with the with the bill of rights. I don't think any intelligence Burson. Does we have the right to bear arms in this country. I honor that. And there are many law-abiding people who on guns in this country but the fact that you have the have the right to bear arms does that does not mean and there's nothing in the second amendment that that would indicate that means that there cannot be commonsense gun regulations you've had quite a few moments Especially in the second eight and One of your particular moments. You talked about a dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred. That trump is bringing up. What is that dark? Psychic force is that forced trump or is it something separate racism schism bigotry. Anti Semitism Homophobia Islamophobia Xenophobia. You put those things together. The energy that they create when they are collectivist collectivist is indeed a dark socket force and has been throughout history and few things. In history have been as dangerous as collectivized hatred. The president harnesses it for his own political purposes. He didn't create it. He just does not have the the ethics or the conscience to recognize the danger that they present and the moral fiber to know that for personal content. The last thing that we do is exploited those things for their own personal game. How do you think you can beat trump? I you know if you're talking about the deeper level of reality I I can't quote unquote beat trump. However there is a force of collectivized decency love conscience dignity which arises within people and? It's interesting a deep appreciation of love off gives a deeper appreciation of that which is not love and love has the power of the power of love is the power to say yes us and the power. To say no love does not morally equivocate. And that is what will defeat the president at the ballot box. Enough enough people rising up and looking at something which has already stoked dangerous forces and saying NOPE WE'RE GONNA take a quick break and we'll be right back what does separation of church and state maintaining separation of church and state is very important. It's one of the most enlightened aspects of our constitution it protects tax the government from religious interference. You'll never see for instance during a session of Congress. You're never going to see a minister priest. Rabbi I imam any clergy person. Walking down down the aisle and saying you can't pass that law or you have to pass this law. That's never we're going to happen here. And at the same time you will never see at a mosque at a church at a synagogue at a monastery stary at a shrine at an AA meeting or interestingly enough added a meeting of young atheists because the the the freedom of religion as the freedom not only to believe however you wish or not to believe so you will never see a policeman showing up at any of those meetings and sang. Break it up. You're not on the list. That's huge that is you so. The separation of church and state was is is one of our most for found freedoms. Some people say that you we do have some extreme views. Vox released an article over the summer and it says Marianne Williamson is not a serious candidate for the presidency. She's a self help celebrity. A menace menace to public health. The more famous she gets the more harm she can do. And they're calling out your views on antidepressants and your vaccination vaccination. We've been talking about not calling out anything. There is an ancient strain of misogyny. You think that that that is. There's an ancient ancient strain of Misogyny that if a woman does not told the line with with whatever the status quo for time is is not just a a bad girl. She's crazy she's dangerous. So let's you say they call it out. What is it called out? Why is it in politics? It is possible to have a new wants to conversation. I have never said that I'm anti vaccine. I have never told anyone to get off their medicine. I have never told anyone that they should just pray away. Their Disease A.. I wanted to just circle back a little bit We were talking about separation of church and state and the founding fathers. Do you believe that we are still one nation under God well interesting. I think that the line is extremely important. I believe that in the level of our hearts we are one humanity undergone but free will means that we bring into expression either that truth or naught. That's why I'm doing this while I'm saying this. Where is the love? Where's where's the moral dimension? That what morality is. That's that's what the word righteousness means. It means right use of the mind. Do you believe that our currency should stay in. God We trust yes you still do. Yes why why do we or should we. Well a liberty and justice for all do do we or should we But it's important that we say it. It's important that it it. It's our affirmation it's important. That is our intention and for many of us we take very seriously most people especially outside of the United States consider America to be a Judeo Christian nation. Do you think we're still a Judeo Christian nation. Well we're not a we're not a monolith. We are a religiously pluralistic nation. That's how we were set up. Religious freedom means we are religiously pluralistic Laura Listrik nation and most of the foundational principles of Judaism and Christianity which do oh form the core in many ways foundational to Western liberalism are are universal spiritual themes at the core of all the great religious systems. The world What should be taught in schools evolution creation? I believe that evolution definitely should be taught in in the schools and if people have religious beliefs about creationism than they should teach their children. Whatever they believe you know contrary to some of the lies that had been set about me? I'm the furthest thing in the world from anti-science so of course we should teach teach evolution in the schools but to me that is not contrary to the belief that God created me. My daughter physically physically came out of my womb but God created her laddis how I believe it because she's spirit. She's not just body. The two are not in are not in conflict. Would you have any hesitancy nominating a Moslem slim a Hindu a Sikh or Christian to the federal bench. Absolutely not if you are elected for the voters that don't support you that may disagree with your platform. How do you plan on protecting their rights as well? One of the things so horrendous about this president unlike any president certainly in my lifetime is that he seems so only care about the people who voted for him. You know I didn't vote for George Bush either. George Bush and I didn't vote for Ronald Reagan. But I didn't feel I didn't care about me. I didn't feel that they didn't care about my rights. This is an aberration. What has happened here this? This is terrible. This is operational. Nobody gains the presidency having been elected by everyone in the in the electorate. That's the whole point but the moment you become president you become president of all the people and people have the right to disagree with you. That's what a free society is in in a free society. We don't owe it to anyone even our president to agree with them. And we don't owe it to anyone to vote in a certain way. So the right eight of every citizen whether they agree with me or not as sacrosanct. The the the right of everyone to vote the way they wished whether they would vote for me or not is sacrosanct. Sankt if your faith in the constitution clashed how would you reconcile that I have read the Constitution. There is no way that in which the Constitution itution and by faith clash none none. What about policy? Well that's the point of being president. You have power Franklin Glenn. Roosevelt said the primary responsibility of the presidency is not it's administrative aspect. He said the administrative aspect of the presidency residency is secondary the primary aspect is moral leadership so to me moral certitude and moral aurthority of the president is absolutely essential. You may think this next quote is misogynist as well it comes from the L. A. Times and it says feared in some quarters for her explosive temper Williamson acknowledges that she often comes across as the quote Bitch for God and that came out of your mouth right. I I think probably Bobby did about thirty years ago by the wash. Let's be clear I was it was here in New York and we were doing a fundraiser and I wanted wanted to open something with a prayer you know these male ministers come up and say the parrot. Nobody says that's Wacky or new age I said Wacky knew it so I kept saying that. I want to say a prayer and somebody said she's being bitchy about this. I turned around and said well. If I'm bitterly being a bitch for God so sorry that I you know like once again. It was thirty years ago and I will refer to you as a spiritual counselor. That's fine. Thank you Marianne Williamson. Thanks for twenty thank you so much. Thanks so much for listening to this episode of journeys a fate. 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Kevin Williamson on How Mob Politics Got Him Fired from The Atlantic
"This is the reason podcast I'm your host Nicholas back. In two thousand eighteen the journalists Kevin Williamson was hired away from the flagship publication for the Conservative Movement Lupin National Review by one of the oldest and most prestigious magazines in American history the Atlantic the editor of the Atlantic explained that Williamson's higher was done to help bring ideological diversity to the pages of a publication that skewed reliably liberal or left wing on most things Williamson's first piece for the Atlantic <hes> column column declaring that the Libertarian moment heralded by reason was better than a door now appeared on April second. He was fired three days later. After a years old tweet wheat had come to light one in which the pro-life Williamson argued that women who have abortions should not only be charged with homicide but executed preferably by hanging worth pointing out that Williamson was joking at least the hanging part because he's generally against capital punishment. Williamson eventually rejoined the staff of National Review where he continues the author a mix of heavily reported articles from the back roads of America and opinion pieces that are always incredibly well written and I find very challenging to libertarian sensibilities many of which the forty six year old Texan shares his also just published the smallest minority independent thinking in the age of mob politics which he had actually started writing before he got fired by the Atlantic. I spoke with Williamson at freedom fast the annual gathering of Libertarians in Las Vegas about his brief tumultuous experience at the Atlantic why he thinks trump supporters are often just as bad as left wing ideologues when it comes to shutting down divergent opinions and how America might actually starting cursing people to think for ourselves again. Kevin Wiley said thanks for talking to reason always a pleasure so in your new book look the smallest minority independent thinking in the age of mob politics you come out in favor of individualism in an age of Mabul crecy or what. What is the technical term? You have for a mob rule. I think it's pronounced o clock REC- okay. I didn't know how to pronounce it. Sometimes you read things. We've never said them out loud and you're nervous the first time you say you're not sure everything that's like an everyday anxiety for me but <hes> give the elevator pitch the elevator pitch. Will you know we're we're here in Las Vegas which is the most American of all American cities and I was. It was in my hotel room in the shower and there's bottle of shampoo in there and it's pretty Nice Hotel. You know it's kind of fancy brand of shampoo you and on on the back of the bottle it says <hes> for external use only so in a world in which there's probably good reason for telling people people that they can't drink shampoo. Can you really trust large groups of people acting in concert and inspired by rage and resentment and terror and I I I tend to think now and one of the other terms and this one. I definitely can't pronounce <hes> two German term. That's big to the book is a straight bar a democracy yeah yeah but what Milton Democracy is the English version of that turns. It's more fun to write it okay in German. I'm sorry what what militant AMILA BATTLE SOM translated decided that way but I'm battle. SOM is a pretty cumbersome additive yeah. This is an idea that goes back to the immediate post-war era. It's associated with a writer named Karl. Loewenstein Lowenstein was a German refugee and militant democracies. The idea that liberal democracies sometimes must behave in ways that are antidemocratic illiberal in order ordered to save themselves from basic fundamental threat to liberalism and democracy and the idea of this is essential. It's coming out of the fact that <hes> German democratic system produced Nazi yeah so yeah exactly so this is an immediate postwar era and during the war itself I suppose the idea really starts to come for the war. There is the idea that <hes> governments should occasionally do things like prohibit certain kinds of political parties or suppress certain kinds of political speech or organizing on in order to to save democracy from basic existential threats and that is the current operating theory under which countries like Germany and Austria prohibit certain kinds of books or prohibit certain kinds of political parties ladies and political activism in a way that we wouldn't really find acceptable in the United States I think but we're increasingly I think finding that sort of thing acceptable and by convincing ourselves that we are constantly on the verge of some sort of existential crisis we give ourselves an excuse to engage in that sort of oppressive and suppressive behavior and so every time there's a you know Charlottesville or there's <hes> you know <hes> Antifa active violent somewhere on on both sides of the political spectrum although I tend to think right now more strongly on the left <hes> you get this <hes> opportunism where people want to take these sorts of episodes and use them as as an excuse use force and what we have to prohibit this we have to prohibit that oh we can't allow this kind of speech and that kind of speech and then it becomes much more generally much more vague and this is where the kind of social media mob phenomenon comes in where if Scarlett Johansson is allowed to play a transgender person in a historical film it somehow is going to cause some sort of harm or actual violence to to <hes> to transgender people in the world and therefore these things must be prohibited and you end up with this kind of mass hysteria and culture of just really <hes> UH prone conformism Yep. The book is what I I mean. It's it's wonderfully written it. Is I mean it opens you. You know where you're discussing monkeys and India masturbating and slinging poet people I wanna put out this as a rectory book from a conservative imprint it certainly thus foul mouth book. I'm assuming that has published unless they did fifty shades of grey or something yeah where it's I mean it's a defensive individualism evangelism and nonconformity against both whether right-wing and left-wing what is going on I mean because none of none of the trends that you're talking about our new do not they are more. You're you're arguing that they're more extreme yeah well. Maybe not more extreme Wilson era. We had the government sending out teams of black the church to beat up newspaper editors and jailing war protesters and that sort of thing so we're always we always tell ourselves the worst possible times and the things that never been this bad things have been this bad before. I mean I don't think things bad politically right now as they were in the nineteen sixties much less the eighteen sixties so not to get hysterical and panicked about things. I think that a couple of social trends have contributed to this one is social media which is just sort of by its nature it rewards anger and outrage in S- plays of emotion rather Dan civility exchange and that sort of thing and it's also fun because it gives people who aren't normally involved in politics or in media a kind of taste the power that's involved in that. It's a leveling phenomenon right. Are you talking about that about how people who are relatively anonymous or might have small twitter followings is better able to generate a huge outrage or or start a conversation. Yeah I mean just clear. That's not a bad thing right in and in of itself not a good thing. I mean at the thing right so social media's not the problem and social media doesn't make people dumb and angry just reveals that people are dumb angry and it helps them broadcast their stupidity anger to the world more efficiently so it also you know I mean also enables great things. Of course I mean we both were magazines for instance have much larger reaches now than they used next to digital publishing and it's easier to engage in in useful and fruitful communication than it used to be but it's also easier to engage in stupidity and this thing I call anti-death course which is it's communication but it's communication that is intended to uh discourage or prevent the exchange of views and information and ideas which is what you get a lot of so someone says well. I think that we should change the tax rate. From thirty nine percent thirty four percent and ten thousand of the people say well. You're near Nazi because you believe that and then you can't really have that. Hitler was anti-smoking so really different in conversation yeah so that's that part of that book. There's a lot of funny angry cultural stuff in there but there's also some slightly more serious and you know let's let's talk both serious and funny and you yourself were a very high profile victim of of a kind of online mob. RABAT AL victim a couple of things about <hes> one is and explain what happened Sheri. I'll get to that in a second. Hey talking about except born you hate talking about vetted and yet you wrote a book in which you vote several chapters and a lot of swipes to get to pay the bills right so well. That's the funny thing about the book because I started writing this book a year before I went to work for the Atlantic and <hes> because I was interested in this phenomenon is applied to other people and I wasn't surprised when after the Atlantic hired me that this this <hes> you know sort of outrage social media mob formed in fact I told the editor there that this was going to happen and you were explicitly hired because they wanted to bring intellectual intellectual ideological diversity to the Atlanta right yeah but not not that much right so the Atlantic problem was that <hes> you know they hard me really not from my column writing and commentary but really more from my reporting stuff. I've written about you know Appalachian Poverty and opioid addiction and other stuff that I've written quite a bit about not necessarily what they wanted me to work on more reporting type stuff along those lines their problem was they <hes>. They wanted someone to cover rednecks in they they screwed up in hired one and that was bad cultural fit for them. I think and you know I'm not you know there's a sort of thing among conservatives to sneer at conservatives to work at places like the New York Times and and I am I dislike that Tennessee among my my ideological brethren but I'm a very different sort of person than roth out and someone like Ross with maybe fit in more to place like that than than I would so largely about <hes> really more about me than it was about the things I'd written in the past if it hadn't been the abortion stop appetite approximate you to some fanfare and your reporting from Appalachian other places really spectacular and I and I think part of it is because. Because it's informed that you're you're not reporting on people who you look at from a helicopter or something like that. These are people that you know on some level where you come from a similar milieu more working class or if you want to call it redneck hillbilly whatever but you wrote or in the past Hewitt said things about we should treat abortion like every other homicide and then fill that fell does comments by saying that you know women and and Dr are doctors some women who earn participate in them should be executed for murder <hes> and that was that was the thing that seemed to start everything rolling right yeah. <hes> wasn't that at first at first it was stuff. I've written about transgender issues combine written about Lebron Cox and yeah some of that stuff so yeah. It was a completion of incompletion by me of a to sort of separate conversations one is about if we do to prohibit abortion which I think that we should do. How do we go about doing that. There's a tendency I think among people who are pro-life to try to avoid that question because making something illegal means what it means and so well we don't WANNA punish people for well. How do you well the standard. <hes> pro-life lifeline is that the woman who gets the abortion is the second victim of the abortion and rise so we shouldn't hold her accountable for something that she is the primary very 'cause right yeah as though women were somehow morally deficient roy able to <hes> to be account for their actions and you know unfortunately among women who commit homicides. There's a non-trivial number who who killed children as as newborns or or young children and <hes> we don't treat that as though they're not morally the <hes> accountable for the part of the conversation is that <hes> you may or may not know. I'm opposed. Capital punishment have been for a long time and in most cases I mean in principle. I guess I can imagine cases in which it might be advisable. Although it's really hard to come up with one but one of the things I especially dislike about capital punishment the way it's currently practiced. I is this bizarre medicalisation of this weird clinical thing we do where we bring in doctors and we treat it like it's a medical procedure although they're not actually really doctors right there because doctors can't perform lethal injection are they not actually don't use yeah which is one of the reasons not even that which why they screw it up all the time because they can't actually it professionals to do it man I.. I was not actually aware of that. Learn something new every day so <hes> I've. I've often argued that if we're you're going to have capital punishment in the state should be honest about what it's doing and it sentences should be carried out in some forthrightly violent manner hangings traditional squads. Whatever I hate Santa say but you sound like Michelle Suco now because this is the the you know the premise of punish that in modern society we kind of clean up everything and items behind a Patina of civilization rationality well. I mean what you're calling so I've had a lot of my life and you mentioned Derrida earlier really enough arena to in India wants. I guess it was doing talk. There has been quite yeah well. I think there's something point well but I mean to bring back to the to to the book so you get hired by the Atlantic. People are a little bit uncomfortable with it to begin with. Because who is this right wing Guy Yeah <hes> and then stuff you. I mean you're you're very skeptical or critical of transgender people were or the transgender identity or <hes> you have said things about you know about abortion abortion that clearly are gonNA play well with the Atlantic readership or editorial ship and so then what happens like how long were you actually working at the Atlanta technically employees for maybe a couple of weeks. I was actually in the office. I think it was three days so I did write a piece. To what was it again. Ah No one likes to between US and <hes> it's and thank you. I don't know why I forgot. I gotta write got a fairly often. You know so why there's a lot of that yeah so well. The funny thing about the Atlantic situation nation was <hes> so there's this big social media rich thing and a couple of hundred thousand tweets and that sort of thing. I think there maybe nine articles in the New York Times or something like that. None of that really had anything to do with my getting fired. Their decision to fire me was really based on internal staff stuff of a small number of staffers who just were flying ever able to make peace with the fact that I was working there so <hes> in the in the language American labor law was a hostile work environment which they solved by barring me so <hes>. Can you talk a little bit about the in the those internal dynamics Jeffrey Goldberg. Who was the editor who hired you and fired. You does not come off off well. How did how did he. How did he inform you explain why you think he was he's. He's a bad actor in this yeah <hes> I'm actually pretty easy jeff in most ways because I think he's a pretty good editor and he's good journalist and I think he made the wrong decision in my case but every your ever worked with his Mitterrand decision about something including me when I was editor of publications in the past and <hes> so editors you know every now and then screw something up. I knew I was going to get fired when he invited me to breakfast because because last time I got fired. I got fired over back when people invite me to breakfast I if there are people who say it is the most important meal of the most important today. Apparently that's when you fire people the best so funny because it's the Atlantic station the Watergate building which is of course <hes> always hilarious right winger to be there and I play now you just Kinda want to sneak around through the parking garage and Jeff. Actually he kind of is a little bit of a scholar and building in control you which is the door where they put the tape. Get through and do the burglary and all that so you know I think he's <hes> like a lot of men in his position. He's acutely aware being a middle aged or more <hes> heterosexual heterosexual white male in an industry that <hes> would like to have fewer those in positions of power I think and although he's on the left clinically he's probably to the right of most of his magazine is and a lot of progress media's in to the extent that he's his traditional addition agreed pro Israel in a hawk relatively strong policy and that kind of thing and so he's got some pressure on him already for that and and <hes> so yeah I think it was just he overestimated his own in his institution's ability to stand up to the kind of pressure under which they were should come so well. Let let's let's talk about it more. Generally I mean the idea of mob rule and you right up one point or actually. I guess you're quoting from Isaiah Berlin. <hes> who said that the essence of liberty is the right to resist to be unpopular. Yeah I mean the book is pay into the idea that that's getting harder and harder you say social media amplifies amplifies that but it's not the primary cause what are the primary causes in the increase in the difficulty of being an individual as opposed to a member of a a gang or a tribe or a group so what you said earlier that just <hes> think about for a second. You described his victim of this. I don't like that language very much because this isn't mainly about people like me you know people that are in the controversy business. This is not a new thing for us. It's just an occupational hazard and life goes on for people like me. You know I get fired by the Atlantic. I write an essay. Take the Wall Street. Journal okay goes on. We're not silenced for the most part or or anything like that. Where it's real problem is for people who are not ah professionally and that sort of business you were starbucks managers and Philadelphia who are losing their jobs for trying to enforce company policies according to their own rules or guys really losing doing their jobs making burritos at Mojo Burrito which I just laugh everytime I say mo Jo Burrito and the powers that be mo Jo Burrito because they've got political critical views that are bad certainly but also unpopular and of course people aren't being fired for being abused or unpopular. Sometimes you're the same thing but that's not the reason so <hes> Erich Fromm who I quote a lot in this is <hes> Marxist Freudian social analyst and really interesting guy and he and Hayek came to very similar conclusions about the state of the world in the middle of the twentieth century which was that the rise of salary corporate employment as a kind of social norm was <hes> <hes> bound to breed a culture of conformism and homogeneity and lack of intellectual enterprise. This is one of the most fascinating getting things about the book which I that's well no just that <hes> from particularly for a conservative Libertarian Typewriter Eric from Friedrich Hayek and William White Talk about him in the guy who wrote a book called the Organization Man See Froman Hayek mixed up so talk about talk about their critique of the large kind of organization as as antithetical to individualism so from S- theory and he was a Marxist in terms of alienation was that capitalism really starts at the beginning of the renaissance at the end of Middle Ages and unlike the Protestant work ethic theory. He doesn't really believe that changes in religious life created capitalism. He believes that capitalism created changes in religious life that the emerging capitalist economies of low countries and the U._K.. What's now the U._k.. They upset traditional standing social social norms associated with feudalism so they made everyone richer and better off but they upset people's long-standing status relationships and when people status relationships are are upset. They give very very anxious and they start looking for new sources of meetings. Sometimes that shows up nationalism which is nationalism really takes off. It's phenomenon around that time with it is fanaticism fanaticism. You see the reformation of the rise proselytism number by the things that happened around the same time and I think we're going through a similar but less dramatic change right now with what we call globalization. Jose Shen <hes> which is making everyone richer and better off. It's making a better world in almost every measurable kind of way but there are people who are upset and made anxious anxious by it <hes> particularly American workers in the middle and so we're lower into the skill education distribution who now have to compete much more directly with lower wage workers overseas and than they used to and you see things like short in corporate life expectancy as swear in the nineteen fifties a member of the of the Dow Jones top one hundred companies would typically clearly around for about eight years now the average life expectancy something like seventeen years so this thing of you know getting out of high school or college and having one job it'd be Organization for the rest of your life life and being taken care of and look after in that way has gone away and I think this makes people really very quite anxious even though they are getting better off but by the same token from <hes> Hayek and certainly William White were critical of those of the postwar Mega Corporation and you know a for Libertarians and conservatives the national review I mean it's always fascinating. They were about big government kind of destroying the individual from and white whites more complicated but it's more the Mega Corporation. The mega organization is destroying individualism. We now got the worst of both right where we've got the corporate culture still but we no no longer have the <hes> security associated with it. Some people bounce from one big organization to another over the course of the course of a career or their lives are in some always dominated by these big organizations whether it's a university or local government or other sorts of things but without the thickness that was associated with those things so yeah Hayek gun particularly is interesting on this. I think that <hes> you know he writes about the need for <hes> essentially financially independent class of people well because it makes it easier for them to be intellectually and culturally independent as well making engage in various kinds of experimentation with ways of living and Moza consumption and other sorts of things things and they have the the resources to do that and that if they fail things aren't too terrible for them because they're they're already wealthy and he worries writing the nineteen. I'm fifty s and nineteen sixties. I guess that the decline of that class and the and the rise of Middle Management Your Thomas Your we might rather organization position man we'll bring that will bring with him to politics that culture of of uniformity and homogeneity and this is very process. It's driven. You know here's what the rule book says. We have to go at one point in the book you talk about an you know. It's funny people of a certain age all know this but there are few for fewer of us of a certain edge but you talk about the corporate culture of I._B._M.. Arabic matic explain what it meant to be you know an IBM employee or sales ourselves representative in the fifties and sixties as exemplifies the kind of organization mentality yeah I._B._M.. Went so far as to specify the color other shirts that their employees were to work which were white of course so part of this has to do with the extraordinary prestige that attached itself to Science in in the twentieth century and the end of the nineteenth century which certainly well deserved <hes> but there was an idea that we were going to be able to have a kind of rational model of life on the laugh this this manifested itself socialism the idea of scientific socialism than central planning but on the right it was Frederick Taylor and efficiency experts and Dan NASA and IBM big companies like that that we're going to work together and solve the world's problems this kind of rational Listrik and necessarily bureaucratic model doing things and there are certain kinds of people who thrive in bureaucratic cultures and certain kinds of people don't. I don't think you're I either want to miss his particularly well suited to you have your culture but <hes> that's our great loss. I suppose in life and Hayek worried that this would become sort of default social position that these would be the most influential people in society by and they would come to dominate the classic people he called Secondhand dealers ideas. You were not original philosophers coming up with new ideas but the people who propagate kind of norms and visions nations and <hes> intellectual currents and I think he was right about that. I think we really got to the place where <hes> the culture of the corporate H._R.. Department which is now what used to be the corporate of the college campus the culture of the college campus rather which is college man is corporation man in larval form. That's become from the <hes> default thing that you have to satisfy to participate in economic life and that if you were not politically and socially acceptable to Kaitlin down in H._R.. Then you're not going to be able to work Trotsky in one of these critiques of Stalin had interesting point on this where he wrote that you know the old model of socialism was that he'd who does not work does not eat but in a situation in which you have essentially a single employer your thoughts he who does not obey does not eat and the idea of single employer was something that Trotsky shared with high they both worried about this in the context of socialism what are kind of social media rats like a variation at rock and roll heaven whereas Eric from higher and white hanging out in the market Asandra so but okay so we going to finish those we don't have a situation in which we have a single employer or the threat of an emergent singing emerging single employer are we have is this kind of unified corporate culture that causes all these various employers to behave in roughly the same way and it's driven by Stereo it's driven by appeared driven by conformism and it but it's also driven by think a genuine dislike for disruptive figures. You know you gotta Silicon Valley. Everyone talks about disruption option but after that you know poor dumb Google how much these people really value disruption you actually are disruptive to the organization you'll be expelled and partly because corporations in our employers have really taken on an odd role in our lives where they're not just our source of income but also a source of status in meaning and increasing that is where life is lived and where social life is shared in the realm of corporations but has employers and providers of public spaces and and public goods so it's become a really really strangely complicated thing <hes> right <hes> that the individual the smallest minority is a constant source of conflict in large organizations so you know essentially what you're arguing is that that mid mid kind of century or postwar organization man mentality is now shown up in our kind of public discourse and you you know and there we oh you know this is somebody who is critical of Donald Trump from time to time his followers are fanatical in sisters on Orthodoxy and devotion to the great man. There's a left-wing version of it. How do you deal with the intervening? I mean like what about the sixties and seventies and even the eighties where their whole thing was. They were throwing off the yoke of the corporate. Yeah and you get you know. The necktie was a noose. We get rid of that and we start wearing shakey's or you know or ponchos or something like that. What happened to that period of you know what Tom Wolfe called? You know the third grade awakening or the decade where everybody at every level of society was starting to dress over. They wanted to live however they wanted etc.. Where does that go to die because it does seem like it happened but we're not witnessing that right now? Yeah I think that the immediate post-war era contain among other things a really really unusual set of economic conditions in which the United States essentially was alone among major industrial powers and not having been more or less destroyed by the war so most of Europe was a smoking ruin. Its workforce was literally decimated in some places sometim some places where it's really decimated countries like Japan nuked among other things and so the United States in nineteen forty nine. I guess has something like more more than half the world's surviving extent non-military industrial production capacity so that immediate postwar is a very odd period in our time and people look back Oakland with a great deal of nostalgia and so why can't we go back to that while we can only have to have is a ruinous war in which millions of people die and and most of the world is is reduced rubble all we don't obviously want but that period was never intended to last but I think while it did it gave people a great deal of confidence to engage in various kinds of social experimentation a one of the things I didn't really have room to get into the book that maybe I'll write about it at some other. Point is a lot of this. You can see if you really look at the history of Gay Culture in American Eric in gay rights were in the seventies and eighties. It is kind of very flamboyant assertive culture that very quickly almost overnight turns into this you know will and grace buttoned-down down chamber of commerce sort of thing and who's a Guy Dale Peck that essay over the New Republic get somebody fired. Probably I think that's a good example of that where I didn't particularly care for the Girona didn't think it was very good but I think this was a critique of people to judge kind of bourgeois game right after being the the wrong kind of of game I Ugly abject and Craven Way of being in public yes so I think that the forces of that kind of intellectual conformism we're much harder on people who are not not able to sustain their lives through <hes> starting arguments with people and and writing about them. There's a lot of other ways to make a living a lot of other ways to be a citizen a lot of other ways ways to try to get by in the world and this is much harder on on those people so <hes> what what is the what is to be done than because I mean essentially the book argues and I think documentary extremely thoroughly that there is a real sense of conformity in at least public discourse and expectations nations both kind of corporate H._r.. Culture and colleges and these large institutions certainly on social media places like facebook and twitter you get dragged act if you are saying the wrong thing for whatever reason Milton's Milton's Lucifer is one of your heroes one of the heroes of the buck but what what do you do about dedicating the book to him but I thought that taking booked who's for Mida be read their especially for rectory buck. I'm just thinking like a conservative press would be good. Eh but what what what what what has to change or or how do you affect change. We know that the answer is more individualism and the idea of letting people have a greater raider having greater tolerance divergence of opinions right but how do you get there. I think that these kinds of hysteria is play themselves out naturally a lot of this entertainment for people. This is a fun thing for people to do to be part of any sort of chanting mobs and that sort of thing. I don't understand why it's meant for people do <hes> but I understand that it is fun for people to do and but they get bored with it. Eventually I think people begin to rediscover every the value of writers and thinkers sprints in their lives who are not predictable people who are not <hes> go along get along types people start going back and they start reading adding one hundred Thompson and Tom will for P._J.. O'Rourke people like that and see what it's like to have a mind and a social social position that release free in some ways that really is hard to pin down and where people aren't subjecting themselves to being a member of a team and saying this the way we're getting with the trump people <hes> you know my team right or wrong and a lot of this comes from that kind of politics to where people convince themselves that the other side is so evil and that we are so close to being you know to tweets away from the Holocaust or we're about to have a Bolshevik revolution that anything defensive their side is justifiable criticism. This isn't their side is treasonous. So of course the president relax used for treason which is worrisome that kind of thing I think about eventually plays itself out too because people are dumb you do you act tell them not to drink shampoo but they're not so dumb that they don't notice that you know okay. I'm on the right and I may be generally more sympathetic to Republicans all the cans and I am Democrats and more free market than I am for welfare state. There's a lot of nonsense going on over there too so knows it and hopefully it stinks as a as a as a would you consider yourself a man of the right yeah funny thing is like with the Republican Party over Arlen Specter back in like two two thousand six or something like that which really seems quaint in retrospect I really I peeked early on right now. There's a there's there's a kind of right wing orthodoxy playing at or a group saying <hes> you know that liberal democracy they are the idea of a marketplace of ideas is I'm working for us and that's actually GonNa destroy us so we need to start using the state as an instrument of morality we need to regulate the regulate social media as a public utility to make sure diamond and silk get the viewership rightly demanded are being denied how do you how do you feel about that. I think that the newfound enthusiasm among certain Republicans for antitrust law so long as it's used against corporations they view as being politically rival Rustu on them and politically hostile to them as a very worrisome thing. I think it's a dumb way to go about trying to fix the real legitimate problems that are presented by businesses like facebook and Google and and and to some extent some of the other tech companies although I don't like lumping them all together because I think they're really very different kinds of enterprises and facebook though it's financially a very important company company in a very successful enterprise. I don't think is actually very important business. I don't think that it has the power to shape discourse and culture to the extent at the Conservatives thing that it does I think Google is probably more significant company in the long run. Although these things are hard to say I think that <hes> I'm old fashioned enough to believe that maybe competitions the right way to think about going about this facebook does not provide any critical service in life. I haven't used facebook or any other social. Media radiant sometime in my life is not separately for it. I don't think how do you keep up with Justin. Soko then who's one of the example she was the I great social shamed yeah and comes up in the book and it's also lead you mentioned her because a lot of stuff not about politics per se right. It's about about etiquette and Justine Sacco's grave violation was a violation of etiquette not a violation of political orthodoxies and edit etiquette is one of the things that also becomes important in formality becomes important in new and intense ways win societies are upset and feeling anxious about questions of status so where questions of status are more open the reaction to that often is in the form of very strict rules about four million etiquette you know in the in in the air right in the Middle Ages after you've got rules about who can wear colored clothes and in terms of address that you're very ornate and all that we're getting back some of that I think <hes> <hes> kind of weirdly neo renaissance way of looking at things just a final question of several books ago you wrote a book about how the government was running out of money yeah as a result things. We're going to change whether people liked it or not. <hes> the government is out of money. I mean it keeps barring more more so <hes> do do see the implosion of the entitlement state happening soon and word will that help affect affect the reset that you seem to be looking for in terms of pricing individualism again yeah I have. I think scrupulously avoided putting a timeline on on that particular issue because things can remain irrational for very long time and I don't again. I'M A guy whose background Greenwich Literature and Theater. I'M NOT ECONOMIST <hes> but I'm not sure that even our our best economists have forecast capability they sometimes I think that they have in an organization like the United States government associated with something as large and complex as the American economy which is still luggage twenty two percent of the world economic output or something like that is is way too complex. I think you to make very good predictions about that being said when you've got entitlements and other kinds of liabilities that amount to more than the present network of all the assets held by members of the human rights. I think it's fairly safe bet there's going to be paid out at at real inflation but that's also that's that's forming suburb or informing some of the anxiety share and worries that lead to this kind of bad behavior of insisting on conform yeah so my <hes> my position in that book and in the end is near is as you know what I describe as a short-term pessimism long-term optimism. I think there's certainly some bumpy <hes> places ahead for us but we also have tremendous resources at our disposal missile that our forefathers did not have the people didn't have twenty five years ago. We've got a tremendous amount of knowledge ability to communicate <hes> just plain old oh material assets developments in medicine and science and what just switch people don't really ever think about is enormously important that we can really apply things to solve these social problems in a way that's much much more effective than it used to be and the tragedy of course they get into that book because it's so much of that capitalist sucked up by things it's like Medicaid that doesn't really do very much. That's very useful so as those programs decline which I still think that they will necessarily going to free up a lot of capital and energy and Dan Human Ingenuity and brain power to approach some of these things in a more productive kind of way which I think will make people happier and better off and more secure and maybe at that point point more willing to <hes> be as if not tolerant at least calm as they do final question who is <hes> who's the Individual Uh who who is your spirit animal as an individualist says as a free thinker as a heterodox thinker. Well see I've got a lot of <hes> one of the things I admire most in life is people who through their lives do something that I have not always been good at which is to to actually really exhibit the courage of their convictions and the way they live so you take someone like Dorothy Day politics opposite from mine as they could be but she's someone I admired enormously that kind of commitment to a particular vision of the world and taking personal responsibility for for her role in that I think is greatly admirable thing irrespective of the particular content of one's politics so those sorts of things those were lives. I find inspiring okay what we're going to leave it there. We've been talking with Kevin Williamson
115. Kit Williamson
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Welcome to query. Hey Queiroz Cami here well got show dynasty typewriter on that's in Los Angeles. It's a theater on December fourteenth. You should come to that Cameron ESPOSITO DOT com slash tour for tickets or you can pre-order my book at. Save yourself book dotcom. Wow Wow and and today on the show Woo Kit Williamson are really loved talking to this person. They are the actor creator of the television show East siders that you can watch on Netflix. And Anyway you still. Aw No no careless we introduce yourself. I always have guests centers themselves. I know I listened to yes. I know you yes. Yes we said but yes. I'm Kit Williamson. I'm an actor writer. Internet Person Mississippi ex Patriot and queer. Propagandist I we were talking when you sat down and you put on your headphones. You're you took your earring out. Can you tell me the moment that you can. You tell me against the listeners. Here the moment that you experience yes it was very madman. It was very joan. Christina Hendricks takes out the one earring every time she has to take a phone call and this is a cultural touchstone something you always see in the old period pieces in movies and things like that from back in the day when we had these bigger phones that we you put up against our ears and these bigger earings everybody had to wear and I just got my ear. Peer will repair six months ago. 'cause I'm ears pierced in college but it did not go well so they closed up during a play that I was doing so I had to take them out too soon after piercing them to be in a more airplay so so because apparently didn't have their ears back in old French Times share. Yeah so it closed up and was like a very sad day for me when I realized I can no longer signify my homosexuality everywhere and this one and specifically dangling during that feels very George. Michael is really happening right now. I think for a lot of queer folks. Why did you want to do the one like what does it? What does it feel? I like to wear that will for the time being. I think it is a signifier that you are gay or queer or insert the blank. I actually was in the my friend brea and I wear where she came with me to get my ear pierce. I was literally googling just to make sure what the gate I do not want people walking around. Look at me thinking I'm straight great. Yes it's so funny because I I remember like this was a thing you know back when when I would have been a kid in this sort of was first happening like an eighties era but it was the other way right like nobody wanted to accidentally. I mean at least in terms of the kids that I grew up around like there wasn't realized squareness in my community so nobody wanted to accidentally pierce the gay ear. I love the idea that you're making sure that you don't accidentally certainly the straight year. I need to do anything he met. We you close that door for me you so much. There's just humans walking back and forth but anyway yes tell me more about this gear and why why is it important to you signify. Finally you are right now at least in this current point in my life. I'm not shying away at all from Wearing my identity on my sleeve I wear my identity on my sleeve is an artist artists. As a writer I accept the limitations that that might be placed on me in this industry and I've decided to push through it by owning who I am completely. Yeah I mean I mean I have to say I like seeing how you shut up today I like you know you have like bleach out hair which I have a little bit of doubt hair still going on and I I feel like that's also a thing that's happening right now in clearness and I look at you and it's like number one. You look awesome number two. You look like of the moment We also look doc queer as hell and so. I think you know if I'm imagining you auditioning for something like a moyer play or like madmen. Do you change any of this before walking in the room. We're kind of in a new era of my experience going through the world into the industry as an actor. I mean I was on madman for two years and I certainly didn't look like this right. I had like a comb over haircut and wasn't allowed to cut my hair and it was very much like you. What kind of owned by the production for two years which is an incredible experience but I got my start doing theater in New York. I was a little Broadway baby when I was was twenty. One years old I was in a Broadway show and like falsely thought that that meant. I could make a living in theater quickly realized that you make less than your unemployment doing off off Broadway even at a really good house. So that's that's why I moved to L. A. and kind of went down this rabbit hole of I'm going to be professional actor. Maybe I'll play speed racer. I don't yeah no I want to talk to the twenty one. What is the job that you got it twenty one? It's funny that we're doing this podcast. Because it was a play by Eric goes even called Talk Radio Radio Oh awesome and what how. What was your role not familiar with that with that place? So what was your role in like how. How much of the show were you? It really centers. On this Radio Shock Jock In the Eighties Barry Champlain. who was played by? Eric goes in the ritual. Production played by Lee Shriver and the A revival that I was in and I played spike the technician who kind of set with a backwards baseball cap in a Mall Arlette manned the controls everything went haywire throughout the place so I had a small speaking role towards the end but I was on stage the entire play. which was the trip as a twenty on your old? Oh my God. That's also so much work to be. I just recently did a series of shows where the show is set up so that it's like a a large urge lineup not a large lineup but like seven or six people and usually at this point I if I'm performing a show out of town it's like me and then an opener. It's I'm I'm not usually doing shows with a large lineup and also for this particular show you have to sit onstage during the entire performance so like some of it my portion was like fifteen minutes and then I'm sitting there for like two hours and it is so much work to make sure that your face is not fucked up just enjoy what's happening in. I would also like just as a person to be watched like that is. It's very I mean I guess it gave me like a lot of compassion for anybody you who decides to go into reality. TV just because you're like being caught all the time you know. I mean obviously it's set up. I mean you're not it's not like an action uncut. It's just happening around you but for you sitting on stage. I can't even imagine what that was like. A twenty one of really done it a lot or in my past life is a theatre actor. I did it a lot. I was in a the play Murat. Saad twice which is just one of my favorite place ever. It's the persecution and assassination of Jean Palmeiras performed by the inmates eight to the asylum Sherrington under the direction of the marquee decide. Yes I feel like I. How fucked up is that play? It's so fucked up. It's a play within a play about all these inmates at asylum right after the French revolution putting on a play directed and written by the Marquette Assad about the assassination of John Palmera and everything goes Haywire Haywire and sort of mirrors the explosion of the French Revolution as the inmates rise. Up against the horrible people running the Mental Toll Institution. who were you know doing a hydrotherapy and like drowning? Basically waterboarding them every time they have any sort of outbursts of emotion. Well is there also sacks sex stuff I would just imagine yeah Did you participate in that part of the worst in highschool. Oh so weird that my high school did this is. I cannot believe the sentence that you just said continue was highly controversial. I went to a very like Why would interlocking Arts Academy in Michigan for High School? I was my escape hatch that I like pull the parachute flew out of the car and landed in Michigan to get away from Mississippi. And you see you went from Mississippi to Michigan and to get to that school was like an application process application audition. I got rejected the first time because I wrote my own monologues which I didn't understand understand was going to be a bellwether for what I would do professionally. God but that's that's absolutely kind of what I've found a career doing now. Is this creating my own. Work is also so funny that they didn't like that but like of course you got to follow destruction school. I get it but there was a guest director who came in and did this play. It stirred up a lot of controversy as I mean one of the main all talk of sodomy. Obviously there's one big song What's the point of a revolution without general copulation? And they did a whole sex pantomime with all the inmates. But I didn't get to participate in any of the fun of that production because I played Komai the director of the insane asylums very stuffy and had tails and gloves and such. But when I did it off off off off Broadway I got to play Shaq. Ru who is a priest in a straitjacket. Oh sure yeah and did. Did you do sex stuff. During that time. No I mostly yelled. I was playing a schizophrenic. And he wasn't really like there for the reasons that the sexy people were there I'm asking specifically because to me. That is something that feels really scary is doing anything that's more like your body is revealed or you're doing something. Thank sexual in a life performance. This season of this show of e ciders a show that I write direct and act in on Netflix. I naked fully. Yeah no Dick. I don't believe that that's ever really necessary. And I think especially in a sexual context of you're seeing flaccid penises. You're just like pulling back back the curtain in revealing that. Nobody's actually having sex right. That's the that apart from the fact that like I do believe there should be parody. Nudity like we should have gender parody. If you're GONNA show a fully nude woman you should probably show a fully nude man if you're truly showing nudity for the reasons you're claiming you're showing nudity right one But if you're showing nudity in a sexual context and it's two dudes and they're not erect than kind of just like revealing that. It's not real. I'm going to ask you the dumbest question. Can you show an erect penis on networks. Probably not I feel like you can't i. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know I don't even know where net flicks falls in the lake. I have no idea what the the content restrictions are there besides obviously like what the network is creating but I mean what is the oversight like have been so paranoid about like being viewed as exploitation of in the show Because we started on Youtube back in twenty twelve and at that time. What was a web series really you know so to be in at we were short-form? We weren't half hour at that point. We're putting it out for free on youtube and I didn't want anybody confuse it for something that was supposed to late. You know when you say what. What was the web series what what was a web series like? Why did you decide to do that? I wanted bleed game and I produced the show self-financed the first two episodes. It's kind of a birthday present to myself when I was twenty six and in Grad school and frustrated frustrated because getting back to what we were talking about earlier like I had this little careers and actor but I didn't really feel like I was getting to be my authentic self that much. I was just kind kind of guy with glasses. Lower status character that gets yelled at by series regular like really doing what I had fallen in love with onstage on stage which was inhabiting really big characters inhabiting characters. That were very different from myself. I wasn't really called upon to do that. It was called upon to access the smallest part if myself when I got to Los Angeles. Yeah it will you being called in to read for gay roles girls where the person's gay almost ever and now exclusively and if you are I guess I guess in in that thing funny. Yeah that is cute. Cute all career and now I don't yeah well. I'm curious about I'm curious about I know what it's like on my end of things very rarely a lot of times if so the things that the. I'm not a trained actor. You are trained actor for me. I am a comic I and all of this other stuff is stuff that I work very hard for her. But I didn't begin my current comedy thinking this was ever possible especially especially because I didn't think it would ever be a call for anybody that looked like me to be on TV. Like this was literally like I don't think so. I mean as soon as Ellen was like melon. They just basically pulled her. And we're like you can talk to people but you can't play anything and anyway when I when I have been casting things it's is usually been like this is. This is a thing that can be like if I go in and read for something that is gay. Somebody else gets that part and it's often a straight person that's been my experience. I'm not saying that what I have. No idea what that's like for a dude I don't it's been a really weird. It's sort of like turn in my career because I almost exclusively played straight characters. I created this opportunity for myself to play gay and being like a sandbox. The box with a character that I really could identify with him that way and since that became more successful and sort of became my online identity. I became. I identified with it. You know people identify me as gay because of an eminently just. I think it's an industry with a very a little imagination. And even people who consider themselves allies just sort of compartmentalise you and think. Oh He's a gay actor. Yeah you know I now get called in exclusively for gay roles and I don't really think I'm actually the kind of homosexual that they're looking for the next question to ask is if you get called in for gay roles like and this is really broad strokes but like what. What does that look like? What is the role that? Somebody's like the stereotypical overarching thing. That you're getting what is it. Looked like. I think people go one of two directions right. They either go Still Sassy Gay. Best friend which I think there is a wonderful place for. I do not knock those kinds of roles does that kind of representation is needed. Especially I think a lot of times people go the opposite direction. Now where they're saying well they're gayness is absolutely their quickness is absolutely not a part of them yeah and we need to cast a absolutely masculine presenting gay. He's not he's not gained any other wakes up that he's gay shooting that kind of thing. You know turtle duality. There's where's the middle where people who are some somewhere in the a spectrum of that I mean essentially you're talking about will and Jack from will and grace like that sounds like those characters I mean. Obviously it's not like Eric. McCormack is like like so flexed out or anything but the central sort of tenant of that character is that a woman woman could be his best friend. 'cause he's like so Secondary in his experience that it's it essentially the experience of a straight woman like that's like that's kind of a big part of the show and show that matters in his funny and amazing but also if we never get past that. That's interesting too because I don't know I mean who are your best friends in real life. Are they straight women You know yes are they. Yeah My best friend is young. Adult novelist and Michigan who my best friends since boarding school names Britney Cavallero. Her books are amazing. Charlotte Holmes mysteries said thinnest retailing of Sherlock Holmes. I yes it's the teenage female anti. Yeah that's awesome sexual assault survivor. which is like another layer that the book kind of Blake Pulls into that I think is really sophisticated and smart and so well done? So that is your that is still your friend. Yeah how long have you guys know each other. ECKSTEEN years Joaquin. Well I have one of those runs. I have a friend that I have been friends with since yes I was since we were both ten. And that actually means we've been friends for twenty eight years. Amazing Yeah And we we also went to Grade School High School and college together which there's nobody else in my life that that's true for this. Is the one person that if I talk to her about any person that's ever urban in my life she knows who I'm talking about. It's like it's really amazing. Actually so rare to all three right. It's not even a thing even like my family or anybody that I've ever dated. It's like they don't know all of the stuff so yeah I feel really grateful to have that person in my life. Her name is Laura. Hello Laura But yeah how do you keep in touch with somebody who lives somewhere else. Are we talking on the phone all the time and I go back. She now teaches at our old arts boarding school. Interlock ars academy God is the creative writing. Faculty actually ended up graduating from the creative writing faculty in part because my friendship with her I sort of was not fully the accepted by the theater department. This is a trend in my life is that I I feel rejected as an actor so I go in and become a writer person and then I get opportunities -tunities as an actor while I'm doing that and it's very strange sort of back and forth like when I was getting my MFA in play writing at Ucla got cast on madman very randomly. This is not so surprising to me what you're talking about. I mean that's a microcosm of I think a lot of what career people experience. which is you're trying to get the job that can sometimes be more difficult than starting the company? I'm not saying starting a company is easy but I'm saying that that we do face a lot of discrimination and so it does sometimes ring true that the easiest way to get the to to put yourself in the game is to you know creating will. That's something I've always actually really admired by you is that I feel like you're entrepreneur. In addition to all of the things is it. You do all of the hats that you wear and I was actually. I kind of stumbled across your podcasts. Because I was listening to your Gills Solloway podcast and talking about like how do you choose to define yourself golf. And she excuse me with saying that they define themselves as a artist. And you're saying you find yourself as visionary the private moments Oh my God. That's yeah that's true while I just feel so much shame telling somebody that because you know it feels very self-aggrandizing put I also think like we have to self aggrandize. I mean you know you get out of bed in the morning exactly and also I mean again I you know I'm a white person. I went to like a fancy high school of Fancy Catholic. High School it also taught me to hate myself but like a fancy high school you have a lot of privilege and also at the same time like I get yelled at on the street for you. Know and patrolled from gender presentation and those things are still both those things are true. Who at the same time so I feel like Yeah I mean thank you for saying that I really do feel that when I looked around to see like where are the opportunities for me. It seems like every time I level up to the next thing. The opportunities aren't there and so I have to do like some essentially like construction work to try to like build the House that then I get to live in. You know I don't know how but anyway But yes that's that. Feels true to my life and starring hiring. I'll say that I wish I wish it wasn't you know like this. I don't think I don't think I don't think that there are so many people running running through life and it's easy but I will say that I am tired of always going. Where's the thing where I fit? Okay Al Build it like. That's annoying the oqail. I'll build it. I mean for six years and my husband and I are building had been building east siders. I'm glad that this is kind of the final chapter that were saying goodbye with season four. It's a choice to say. Goodbye were saying thank you very much. Let's end this story. Let's hopefully move onto something with other bigger budget ed or in a development pipeline. Something where. I'm not literally doing what I was doing until one am last night which was making like graphics and approving video content for our youtube channel and giving notes to our trailer editor. Like I want to be involved in all these processes. But I don't want to be the central hub. You you know. I'm because I'm acting as studio network. We're distributed by net flicks where we'll be available on Netflix December. First but we're independently produced a we fundraise through kickstarter order. We saw hundred forty thousand dollars to shoot the most recent season and the end result of that is just like I'm constantly in a war room At all times hustling hustling. Yeah I mean I really really to that I guess. That's I think that's kind of what I'm talking about. which is like you create your own thing and that isn't necessarily equivalent to the folks who are just just kind of The door is opened to them in. And like I I love creating my own stuff and I also You know like I think about this is a really bad analogy. But I was just listening to a recap of listening to the daily The New York Times. podcast the daily and they were talking about this dinner in Iowa were. All the Democratic candidates historically give stump speech and they were talking about how Bernie Sanders didn't bring any supporters because he doesn't take corporate money so his supporters gathered outside as opposed to coming in because they he didn't pay for their tickets to come in and it's like I have so much respect for that and I also feel like damn it. Do we always have to wait outside. Like I just I you know what I mean I feel I feel both ways where I'm like. What stand almost like the people inside got chairs like what the fuck just I feel? You like Well I want to talk more about. I think where I was actually getting to. which is so? If you're the person running this show like like you are and you're in a situation where you're creating something like a sex scene for yourself. How do you protect yourself as an actor? In that moment that is a vulnerable position to be in like what. What sort of? How do you take care of yourself? Yeah I mean we're I think having All kinds of new and necessary conversations about about how to go about orchestrating things like that in a way that everybody feels protected and listened to and heard you know. I guess I'm repeating myself but the that That it was just a lot of conversations with everybody about like. Here's exactly what we are and are not going to do. And the show's not explicit. You know like we shoot our our sex scenes from the waist up you know like so. It's it's it's not as though we're ever really choreographing thrusting if that makes sense so yeah we did. We did in season three but it was a tight shot of our chests so you know like the you know the ban was thrusting into the bed like there. It wasn't really anything to navigate their apart from. Here's where I'm going to be in. Here's where you're going to be and we're both going to pretend to have sex with other with air basically. When was the first time you saw gay men having sex on TV? Oh Man I know the first time I really identified with gay person. Person on television was Dan from the real world New Orleans. That was the first time I'm trying to see if I'm trying to remember if they were really having exects honestly had been the British version of Queer as folk. Yeah I mean mine's the American version of various folk is the first time I saw two male characters having sex and I. I think I've talked about this on the podcast even before. But I didn't know like I didn't know if you had to. I didn't know to penises. Were involved that you could have sex facing each other like that. Is the kind of sex Ed that I got. That is the understanding I had of gay male sexuality was like. No it's like it's like the first thing I'll say say that it is impersonal. You know what I mean. That's definitely the messaging that I got is like. WHOA even would you face each other? It's just anyway thinks Catholicism's I saw all that and I was just like oh a religious a middle high school and middle school before interlocking Mississippi. So I got abstinence. Abstinence only education which consisted of once a year we would go into the cafeteria and there would be a slide show of exploding Genitalia Alya and then somebody's mom who is a registered nurse. Retired will come out and say remember. Condoms aren't effective when you say exploding Genitalia. Oh you mean like I mean just coming out of your butt prime my God herpes of the eye. I mean like I I these vivid visceral visceral memories of like the sound like all of us as a collective looking at wrecked genitals dolls. And that's so wild especially because so many S. T. is can be pretty a symptomatic automatic eat for millennia cinematic number to manage ably treated and lived with absolutely you say purpose of the I. I mean it's literally I remember being so scared of herpes which is like a just a totally like livable. Things being sixty to eighty percents h has one and then also when my high school. We'd watched an abortion like that was the equivalent of what you're talking about. End watched an abortion videotape of an abortion. Oh my God we watch C.. I'll say it one more time. We watched a video of an abortion. You heard about it when you were freshmen. CHM and I wonder if this is when you say everybody came together and I have never heard the word cafeteria him but that sounds lake the right place to watch also. Were you eat what I'm understanding. Where do you remember if this is before or after lunch? I can't remember exactly what had happened. They will tell you that. A kid fainted. Oh my God oh my God. I'M NOT GONNA say last names but Winston fainted. Winston never lived in a how. How was that from Winston? Did he did this. person have to be like dragged out of the room. Oh my God oh my God and then like sent to the school nurse sort of we can only assume that part of his journey I it was not pleasant God. We knew him and like we were we. Were in the same. A Rag tag group of kids that have rocks thrown at our heads during lunch. Somebody decided to lay rocks in the common area around around the place where you could get snacks and food and stuff where everybody would hang out really great idea. Let's have rocks gravel great. Nothing bad could possibly happen happen. So would you call that. Were you bullied. Is that what you would absolutely me less than some other kids but my nickname was gay kid for sure starting sophomore year. I tried to start a student run theater theater big mistake. Wow Wow. Today's episode is brought to you by The all new season of shameless on showtime the gallaghers are back for another round of brand new episodes starting November tenth. That's already happened and on Showtime Watch is outrageous family. 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Oh Wow yes I like that you you hold onto some folks into the rest of your life that that bodes well for somebody as a human if they've been able to if your oldest friend is like somebody that you went to high school with and still know that that that says that speaks highly but then you're like stopped making friends. No I have friends I have friends I have friends I mean just so you know here this is this is. It's fine with yeah. Well there's a level of closeness that like I came very naturally to me especially in boarding school because we spent all day every day together like morning noon and night like we eighty dollars meals together. Had Our all our classes together. How do how could you not become fused into a cohesive friend thing you know and and then especially coming out to la? Oh Jesus. How do I call this a friendship? If I see you once a month for coffee sort of you know sure well when you were living at school. What age were you when you started doing sixteen? Yeah I mean that is also like a special circumstance because I mean how isn't isn't Alec. I must've been I guess seventeen when I moved to Boston to go to college but even that feels that's a that one year is a big difference at that time time really not ready for it either. I mean it was into the into the deepen very very quickly because I was trying to escape Gate Mississippi. I was trying to escape not awesome situation where my parents had read my journal and found out. I was gay semi into therapy to help with my confusion. Listen not ex. Gay Therapy conversion therapy but A softer version of that so it was like an educating process for the therapist actually kind of helped helped them with in terms of like coming to terms with it. It's not something he's choosing. It's not like all of that sort of those sort of conversations happened which I was ultimately grateful for but at the time had this like I'm going to run away from home and I'm GonNa go to New Orleans. I'm going to read Tarot Cards Jackson Square. You can't stop me when a specific dream I had it plan. You gotTa have a plan. I've ever heard so when you're talking about going to therapy. I don't know that ever heard anybody say that was my it. Sounds like we might have had sort of similar experience when you say that it was softer conversion therapy. Can you talk to me about like. Is that because you think that was your parent's intention was to send you to therapy. But the therapist was like doing actual real therapy like like like where. What's the where's the soft can was at intention? Was it what you were hearing from the therapist it was not nobody ever said to me. We're sitting you to therapy to make did you straight if that's the distinction that I can make but the exact phrasing was to help with your confusion. Yeah I you're the I think to this date. You're the only person I've ever had this conversation with where I sort of had a similar experience. It wasn't so so it was definitely not explicitly. said to me that we yeah. We hope that this changes you but it was also not about my coping and in my experience my parents went with me which was also very turned into into that that was great. Actually and so. That was good for you for in my case. I think that we didn't really stick with it long enough and I think because of that I like to help with your confusion. It did the opposite opposite of that for me like it really made me confused. Because I didn't understand sort of where the therapist fell on. She's doing a lot of listening. And you know my parents were doing a lot of talking and I always kind of just sitting there so I think it really felt like almost intervention type thing being neutral space type thing for my folks to sort of get out their their grievances and it was really. It was really doc and uncomfortable. We had opposite complete strategies of how to go into it because I was furious. Oh yeah furious because it was a violation of my trust in my space read. They read Journal. They felt like went back and found out all of these things through all of my life because I kept journals journals for a long time and sometimes I would destroy them but one I had not destroyed. Where was it that they found it Just in my room somewhere. I don't Oh exactly funnily enough I was in New Orleans hanging my sister a while. She was at college and I had my first kiss. I think on the trip that they read my journal Journal was fifteen and she snuck me into a gay bar on Bourbon Street and I had my first kiss sitting on a trash can does sound like Bourbon Street. Yeah so this is the world's dumbest question but I feel like I. This is literally a geography question. How far is where you grew up from New Orleans three and and a half hours by train? Okay tell you there we go But with the The therapy like okay. So a paint the picture I found and out that they had read my journal. Because my mom brought me into my dad's law offices and set me on opposite sides of a conference table sure and they informed me of the fact that they were aware of the things I had been writing about in my journal and I would be going into therapy the afternoon. Wow So I immediately threatened to leave and run away from home I Had multiple like escape plans running at that point already. Because I kind of felt like I needed to get out of Mississippi not because of them because of Mississippi And I was just like immediately like this is this will not pass like I just lost my shit and and went into a rage spiral and I like got in there. First thing I did when I sat down with therapist custom out and the first thing I did when I sat down with the therapist to my parents was I told them to all go fuck themselves while i. That's amazing. How did that go over? What are the say? I'm shocked at how tolerant they all were of my childishness because like I looking back on it. Now I see their intentions in a different light. you know in their defense. I'll just be a little confessional and say they read other things in my journals as well like I've struggled with depression and anxiety since I was literally only a little kid and I had very carefully hidden that from my family. You know like nobody in my family knew that I was cutting myself when I was ten years old nobody. Nobody knew that I'd done a really good job of hiding that. And it's something I'm only actually really comfortable talking about in the last year of my life like this is probably the first time I've actually said that to anybody where anybody would listen and it would be permanent so I feel a little weird that I just did but whatever you know like I'm trying to de stigmatize these these guys are things that I think it's important to talk about that but you know obviously that's disturbing to your mom when she reads that and she had no idea that you you had been struggling with depression and anxiety since you were a tiny kid you know that. She dedicated her life to protecting. Yeah I get that I get that that but also to be cleared. The Gay Steph was not an easy road for for especially my mom and Dad. It was hard for them. Thank you for trusting amy and being so honest I means a lot to me. That's nice of you to Killick. You can say some real shit about your life. I mean I think it's important that we say the real shit. Ah We especially on You know a podcast like this where I feel like a lot of your listeners. Probably have gone through things like that and they don't know we did a lot of their friends probably to keep that shit bottled up inside so much that it festers and rots inside of us. Yeah I mean that's that is. This is exactly what I hear the most when I hear from listeners. And it's the intention by the podcast who was really to be to have these conversations where like we wouldn't be shocked at each other's trauma or directing it to I. Just I feel like I've heard so many interviews where it's it's like. Wait what I've also been on the receiving end of those interviews where people are like. That's how your parents took it or other and it's like yeah. This is. Yeah this is what it's like like. Yeah this doesn't diminish my love for my parents. They're loved for me. Just say that we had a really rough patch. When I was sixteen? You know we. He came out of it on the other side actually way closer than I think we would have been. Had it not happened. Now that's awesome. You know something else that I will say. I have no respect for this kid. You said that maybe it was childish behavior and I you know I wasn't there but I will also say that something. That's really nice about that story that you just told me is. It's a queer person holding the line you know and so often we are taught to like apologize make ourselves smaller. MVP Palatable for other people. And so I also like the idea that you came in. You know full of fire like that because that really isn't usually the story the like prototypical coming out story is so apologetic often and so- shame filled and like maybe maybe that was the motivation for this. Like fuck you. I'm holding the line. We don't you know I don't know but I will say it's cool to hear it. It's cool to hear a story where somebody's that's that wasn't my experience. I did not feel I felt like I felt like my everybody else was right. You know I felt like I was is wrong like I was like well. Fuck I mean I guess I have to do this in secret. I guess I will not have a positive future future like I would never have occurred to me to run away because there was nowhere else that I can imagine things being different so I was like I. We'll run away to somewhere and this will be the situation there so I guess I probably just have to what I don't know put up with it and then when Sunday die like I don't know who to that too though you know because this is just like they caught me at a very specific a time where I already was like. I was waiting to find out if I was going to boarding school. I knew I was going to get out. I was old enough that I felt secure in anyway was but I remember over when I realized that I was gay is a very vivid memory. I was laying in bed just thinking about it and thinking about everything that would not happen for me in my life because this horrible thing was true. I remember thinking okay. I'll never get married. I can't go to church. I'll never be president. These are actual thoughts that I have on your percent independent thought I didn't want to be president. I have no political also on my list right truly was just like like whatever hubris exists inside and I don't want to be president but if called upon and if they need me so funny well you are married. You're married person I am married. And we have We have a real viable Democratic Democratic nominee candidate for presidency. That's an openly gay man you know. An and the world's changed so incredibly rapidly in the last ten years it's just just still i. I find it breathtaking. It's a wonder to behold and part of it is that you and I are sitting across from each other talking openly about things like this and finding finding an audience. Yeah I totally. I totally agree I was. I can't remember represent this on this show. So sorry from repeating myself. But I was in New Hampshire sure and went to like a small town parade and Pete Bandages husband Charleston. Charleston was there marching in the parade and we locked eyes this across the parade route like literally other side of this crowd of people. And I just I I must have looked like the aura of queasiness ernest. Around me was like so like I. I looked at him. Like with this with this. In my soul come over here and shake my hand and he he turned around like as if spoken to and went like is anyone here are gay and I could see him just not a key literally like ran across respect and it was and then he like we followed each other and he looked to me later it was very cute and funny but definitely definitely not like that. He knew me from anything but more so just that he was that we were both like gay. Gay Lasers at each other I I can't believe that I watched. I can't believe that. I saw a presidential essential candidates husband like it's one thing I don't know I can't decide which thing feels more wild to me like the idea that there is a candidate it uses the word husband or the fact that then the husband then materializes and is like I am the husband you know because I'm not going to hide in the shadows. Political wives have for so long done so much work and it is like just wild to see first of all a man fulfill that role. nope obviously there are other men who are married to IMO politicians. But it's still so fucking rare and then to gay men I just like I like can't believe of it. It's wild because in a way it's a triumph for gay men and it's also a triumph against the Patriarchy arche cool way too because it's challenging gender roles and gender norms to say and the first husband you know like that's call thing. Yeah Yeah I mean does it does affect you seeing them together like what like. What is your your? I'll be completely totally honest. I'm simultaneously really inspired by it terrified of it. 'cause I'm from Mississippi and I think Oh God. Oh God what's going to happen what's going to happen happen. You know like I. I filled with fear. When I see something breakthrough like that but that that fear is something to lean into you know what do you mean? Tell me more about that just like. Let's imagine a scenario where he gets the nomination and then goes down in flames. This country is every bit as awful in parts as we think it is like it. But you can't live of your life that way and you can't look at the world that way. That sphere speaking you know. Because otherwise we'll maintain the status quo forever. Otherwise we'll only have male presidential presidential candidates you will only have straight white male gender presidential candidates because anything else as dangerous you know and that's what's so interesting about looking at politics right now looking at the Democratic primary being like Oh my God. There's so much opportunity for So many of these different candidates to break down walls. Yes I agree I mean I have to say just you and I like here together right now. I don't. I agree that it is. I don't know he's. This person has not demonstrated anything to me yet. I don't know you know. Politicians are politicians. That makes me think he's like a bad person who would deserve humiliation humiliation and hounding and Anything else could literally anything else. That could happen to him and yet it is scary to look at him and think like man like That would be. I mean that would be off a debate between those two people between this are stupid into what would happen. I mean it would be awful real. Yeah I remember I remember what he did. I remember him standing behind and menace Mr after we already knew he was as somebody who is like. No I straight up assault women like that's my whole thing and then to Santa behind her and menacing to to show us like yes that's who I am I. Oh I think it's fine actually and here's what it would look like. You know like it was. That was very stark to me so I you know. Obviously don't think that person holds any esteem him for other people and I think he would do whatever he needed to do. And it'll be tough to watch but I do think that a lot of the candidates that we're seeing if I've kind of demonstrated themselves as fearless people. Oh that's true. Yeah that's that's really read to watch. Yeah it is. You've talked a lot sort of I. Guess around Mississippi and I I wonder so. What is your relationship like with home? Now you know it is a place that I go to see family or maybe I'll say it differently where you grew up. Yeah it doesn't left on. My mom does not live in the home that I grew up in anymore and so I I go back in. I'm seeing people not a place as has much And that's something. I kind of like maintain about the south. I feel like really misunderstood. Because while the deck is stacked against against the people who I relate to and who I identify with down South there are a lot of them and it's something that gets so lost in the national conversation is like let's just do it in terms of politics for a second if the Democrats get forty percent of the vote in a southern state versus is fifty one percent in a swing state. We're talking about eleven percent of the voting populace that's a very small percentage of the people that you interact with on your day to day basis. Okay so one inten is against you rather than for you. If we're going in the sort of terms this is hard not to in. You're a queer person because oftentimes people are voting based on our rights in the south you know or based on abortion rights or based reproductive health of their voting based on on these issues in places like Mississippi particularly Mississippi where there is one abortion clinic. Yeah right because I've had the opportunity to travel so much of this country with my job I will say that is what I always say to folks and also usually what I say on stage when I'm there is like I know you're here because anybody that would come see me as like A. There's somebody that you and I would hang with or whatever that's not necessarily true assumes play clubs and it's just a random smattering but do you ever get like a full basket of deplorables. Oh yeah definitely yes but you know when that happens. I usually try to talk to those people and I I know this is if I see specifically men that are looking at me in a certain way from the audience it can feel scary sometimes like I've actually really had dudes charge at me once onstage in once in a line meeting people and so I've had this experience I know it's possible and and if a person looks like they're making what I what I can see happening mentally is that a guy is like I don't like this I she. She like shouldn't be talking. It should be me like I can just feel that. That's what's happening and so usually try to talk to that person because I know ooh that what they want is to feel some attention and you know do I want to share this moment with them. No but but I'm good enough at my job that I can give them attention and then very quickly take it back and it can also kind of top them in that conversation and still make them feel you learn what those guys really need to be exactly. It's like from a safety perspective. I feel like I get freaked out like I will be focused focused on this unless I do this thing so like I have to kind of like go. There was with you and we have some conversation and the whole audience laughs and is on board with it and then they'll be like something that came out of that conversation that then I use later and the show and it makes us it makes everybody feel like we all have experienced something together. That was really light and fun. But it's honestly like I'm trying to see if there might be some potential violence that's going to happen that I need to address right now and it is. That's the that's the truth but Yeah Yeah happens all the time and I will say to me. What seems like the biggest difference? Is that the faith the connection because there are so many places in the south where there is less I can economic opportunity than say like because there are large rural areas. This is also true anywhere anywhere. There are large rural areas The the importance of the church and faith becomes really important. Because you don't have a lot of stuff sometimes you know a lot of God and so I feel like that is what makes the south so strange for me in my in my experience as a queer person. Everything was through the Lens of Christianity Hannity. He asked when I was growing up. And it wasn't just because I went to a parochial Episcopalian school. You know it was raised in the Methodist Church was as far as southern churches goes does is on the softer side. I wasn't raised baptist. I wasn't raised a fundamentalist CNN. Like I I kind of got off a little it easy but I still remember sermons from a Christ United Methodist Church which is a franchise church. So you'd think that it would be a little softer than this. I remember sermons. This is a kid where rail the pastor would rail against Rage against the idea being friends with people of other religions. Yes thank you gotta be careful and obviously treat them with love but be careful and at that time like one. One of my best friends was Hindu. I do and I remember like sitting there. It's like an eight year old being like the fuck like to my mom's credit like I had a conversation with her afterwards and she was like. Yes the fuck doc. Don't listen to everything that the pastor says and soon enough. We left that church because I will never forget. It was my sister's confirmation which is when you join the church at like twelve years old and they try you out on stage and your little. You know Sunday finest and I will never forget that. The sermon was about girls in their hot pink. Mini skirts luring letten into sin. And you need a watch out for women. And he's Segue it to screed against single working mothers and my mom is an attorney. who was you know like raising me and my sister because she and my dad were separated? Just like oh we gotta go. I mean not that. I didn't hear that exact same. I heard that exact same message. But just the specificity of the miniskirt is what may happen. That is like that that is yeah. I mean the so when you were when you were listening to this. Did you just say just that one. Just that sermon. Were you thinking to yourself like yes. No I was thinking no I was thinking no my whole life and that was always the curse is that there was not a point when I was really thinking yes except about sex stuff I had somehow convinced myself because obviously that was migrate. You Know Achilles heel there is that. I knew that I was broken in wrong sexually. From the moment I knew I was anything sexually So you know this will will get tmi but just because I read that Tennessee will williams. Did something similar like. I refused used to masturbate as a child while because I was like sexist dirty and wrong go to hell if I ever touch myself. And so for shockingly longtime post puberty. I didn't didn't and I I was a virgin until I was twenty two. I lost my virginity to my husband. Hi Hi John but you know I was very like aac rigid about those things in puritanical about those things. Despite being very clear about other things I was very clear that racism was wrong as a child eld. I was raised that way. So I gotta give some credit where credit's due. Also very clear that sexism was wrong. I was very clear that you shouldn't be bigoted against people of other faiths and I knew that there were things that the pastor was saying that were wrong and I was against them yes but when it came to anything sex related I was like. I'm wrong like what you're saying earlier. I don't think that's first of all. Just say no. I don't think that's weird at all. I also did did not ever masturbate. When I was a young person and part of that is also the then? I didn't know there was any reason to do that. If you had the attack that I I didn't know anything to be achieved you've or any goal to set out for so what's going to happen as pain exactly offering. I mean you get yourself pregnant. That's the only outcome. God Yes so I had no idea that there would be any positive results and so why would you. Why even try you know why even try try certain hell would await the floor would open up all in the hell? I totally get that you know what is very. Here's what I'll say I feel extremely extremely lucky To Be Queer because what I know for a fact is that that what we're talking about real made perfect sense to me. And then I had this monumentally brain reorganising experience realizing I was queer and so therefore like this thing thing had to be like. Oh maybe the things that I learned growing up about my body and about the way the world works aren't all accurate sense. I had to go through this whole thing that taught me that like actually this may not be totally evil since it seems like fun and fine and I feel really grateful for that. I look at the people who are raised around me even my siblings and I think like they had to do some of that. Reorganizing without I don't dislike big guiding thing and you know. I'm sure a lot of people didn't do that reorganizing because they didn't have to like have a huge judge heart opening moment we look at the repression that exists in our society. I think that there's Perhaps not a more repressed group oop than heterosexual say. I truly feel for heterosexuals. I hope that you have some positive experiences differences in your life and nothing Oprah's I'm saying repressed. I'm actually so serious though. I really what I just said. Sometimes I see a a straight woman and she's with a guy this is. This is me a hundred percent reading into everything around me. Something that's not happening. Sometimes I'll see a woman. This usually happens on public. Look Transportation early got plane and I'll see a woman. She has a boyfriend that's leaning all over her. Like you know the guy. I'm talking about behind her on the train. He's leaning all over her in their on an airplane. He's laying all in her lap. I see her with that. Women make eye contact with her. I go but just my is like I'm speaking to Chanson. Chanson Buddha judge I think they say. Do you need to. You need to get out of here to help we choice. You WanNa be hugged physicist. This seems like you're no. I feel as if so. Yeah I've this is all very real. I have loved this conversation. And guess what it's time for me to ask you to shout out of Queiro you know in the spirit of this conversation because I named checked him earlier. I'm GonNa say Tennessee Williams. Now now. Some of the South He has a connection to New Orleans And he is largely the reason that along with all I started writing plays. That's awesome and weirdly. I have no idea why this is true but the last thing that I was looking up before coming here to record this podcast was the full plot of a streetcar are named desire. I don't know why that's the last thing I was looking at but anyway we're just like I need to refresh her up. Please let me know speaking the awful relationships between Heterosexual incrase. My Gosh not great. No not great. Let it be a warning uh-huh heterosexual lifestyle. This may befall. Thank you so much for being here. This is so fun. Such a blast Lasley me pod swag has all the podcast paraphernalia. You could ever hope for like t shirts pins bags. Hats it's candles and special holiday collections. This holiday season give the gift of pod Swag by shopping. They're black Friday sale. You can get forty percent off from Friday November twenty ninth ninth through Sunday December. 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#55: MORNING MESSAGES | Natural State
"All righty. All righty. We are getting into the good stuff. I feel like after 52 morning messages off. I'm finally getting to the place that I adore talking about. And that is our natural state are most vibrant energized electrified magnetic translucent luminous bulb bright state of being that is our Birthright. And we access this state in the present moment. We don't access Luminosity. We don't access brightness. Intelligence when we are stuck in busyness when we're stuck in the conditions of our mind. We access our brilliance. When we are right here right now as I spoke about yesterday. your natural state of bright body clear mind and open heart as I talk about in my book on the verge is your Birthright every single one of us off. Is meant to shine is meant to make manifest. The glory of God as Marianne Williamson, so beautifully put in her in her poem in her in her quote You Are Meant To Shine Thursday. We are all meant to shine and as we let our own light shine we give others permission to do the same. It just had to say that I put it in. I'm going to put this quote in the show notes. So take a look. If you don't know it. I read it all the time always gives me chills. I'm called to remind you. To practice being present to get to know for you what it means what it feels like viscerally emotionally mentally spiritually. To be right here in the moment. To be here now and it's wrong. Said. What does it feel like for you? Your natural state is always all these available. It's just underneath the noise of busyness. It's below the speed. of life It's on the other side of worry and anxiety doubt and fear and oh gosh, I could go on and on. But here's the deal. What I have come to know in my own life and what I have come to understand through others, they're teaching others is that unless we take the time and the energy to get to know presence. We will get caught up in the speed of life. And time will fly and life will fly. And before we know it it's a decade later and we thinking oh shit. What have I done? What have I experienced? What if I missed how many brilliant moments have I missed because I've been busy. It's a big question. I don't want to miss my life. I don't want to miss life and I catch myself and this is this is the practice. It's the practice of noticing where we are. Where am I wrong? Am I right here right now just that little reminder to come back. Come back Kara. Come back. Here life is here. your natural state your ground of being You're most luminous Essence is already Shining. We just need to show up and access it. And the accessing comes with just turning your attention to the present moment. Turn here now right here this moment chopping carrots right here this moment in conversation with the person in the at Starbucks right here this moment writing this email right here this moment with my child my elderly parent my partner grew up here this moment with myself. As I listened to my heart my heart's longing. This is the game. This is the practice. This is how we become mentally fit mentally aware and it takes training. It's not going to happen by accident so long as I said yesterday right here just keep reminding yourself of that all day long right here. That's it. That's the mental training. And we start to again to get to know excuse me get to know and get to access our natural state of being. Where we are most powerful my friend. Where your true unique creative expression will shine through. And when you do that you share with the world your gift your unique gift and manifestation. This is how we start to shift the world my gosh. This is not my my heart's longing. Right what breaks my heart is seeing people hide that and if I can do a little part to help you unlock and Unleash Your power in my life will have been worth it all. Oh boy. I love you. I love you for listening. Thank you. I love you for engaging. Thank you. I cannot wait to hear your voice expressed fully one hundred percent magnified in the world. I cannot wait to hear it. If you need em support from me. Just Reach Out email me reach out to me DM me find me. This is how we shine together. Have a beautiful day wage.
The Chris and Joe Show: Breaking down Chris Williamson
"UFC Two fifty kicks off this Saturday and draftkings the leader in one day fantasy sports is giving you a free shot at a one million dollar top prize with your first deposit. It's easy to play and for a limited time draft kings is offering both new and existing users a deposit bonus up to five hundred dollars download the draftkings now and use Promo Code SP nation to get a free shot at the one million dollar top prize with your first deposit. That's Promo Code. SBA Nation to get a free shot at one million dollars with your first deposit, only at draftkings minimum five dollar deposit required deposit bonus requires a twenty five times playthrough eligibility restrictions apply see draftkings dot com for details. There are two more players left for us to analyze from the giants twenty twenty NFL draft class the next guy. We are discussing his Chris. Williamson pick number two forty seven defensive back out of ministered. I'm Joe Leone joined by Chris Vaughn has always here on the Christian Joe Show presented by SP nation and big blue view as you may have been following along with us so far folks we have. Diligently broken down. Every single giants draft pick every single one of them down to the T-. Letting you know who they are as a player what they bring to the table what they could potentially become or worst case what they could become, and not really paying out today's show as I already alluded to Chris. Harrison is the second to last guy before we get to take crowder and wrap things up with. With their final draft breakdown but Williamson defensive back out of Minnesota five foot, eleven, one, ninety, one and Chris the one thing that we really obviously noticed from him is he was a bit of a unique defensive back because he's not your typical safety playing over the top. You're not your typical slot guy. That's covering a lot of receivers. Instead. He was almost strictly used as a nickel linebacker and a dime. An extra defensive back situations to play near the line of scrimmage, or on the line of scrimmage to press skies and play in the box when they wanted to take some linebackers out in Minnesota really did this often kind of contributing to the fact that Patrick Graham is continually looking for. Is that show this positional I? In being able to do different variants of other positions yet the it's kind of interesting. He was listed as a cornerback when his draft card was put in, but he is not a cornerback, and he's not even a traditional safety He's really Best described as a nickel defender who's he was really only on the field in nickel situations, but that was kind of Minnesota's based defense anyway, but he just played in bunch of different roles, sometimes would be in the slot. Sometimes he would be a linebacker position. Sometimes he would be in a box safety position. So he definitely was used in a very versatile way by Minnesota's defense and I think that might have been what. The giants I his Goto position. Though like we've basically spoken about here though he wasn't really a safety, you know he was used in the box like you said Chris, and that seems to be his skill set is playing close to the line of scrimmage, but he doesn't really have those characteristics of a linebacker like we see with Xavier mckinney he's. He's a bit of an oddities yet. Another prospect it'd be really can't. Fully grasp on what he's going to be doing for this giants team just because he's got interesting traits and was playing a different role for a team that had a lot of really good defensive players, so as we did, though previously when we talked about darnay homes, talking about defensive backs, we broken down in terms of diving into the past coverage ability, and then also discussing other notable traits besides that pass coverage with a defensive back, and specifically for the case of Chris Williamson. Williamson Pass. Coverage is the most important thing there were were not many plays from the Games that I watched. I don't know about you Chris. where I even saw him defend the run because he was out there in clear passing situations facing teams that threw the ball a lot, and they didn't even have him on the field for any clear I down early on in the in in the quarters, types of situations where opposing teams. We're going to be running running the ball. Ball if there is a personnel grouping with three or more receivers more likely than not Chris Williamson was probably going to be out there but Chris the one thing that you and I seem to agree on here which we tended to do is that he is best at defending guys close or at the line of scrimmage. He's very good in press coverage. He's very hansie very good slowing guys down not allowing them to completely break off and get into the route. He's very. Very. Good at disrupting the early timing of some of these these receivers, and even some of these tight ends as they're just trying to get off the ball. Yeah, I, really like him within five, maybe ten yards at the line of scrimmage. I I like how is able to work through trash work parallel to the line of scrimmage on defending crossing routes or keeping up with tight ends or running backs, moving across the field, and does have some some physicality to his game. We'll get to his tackling in a little bit. But I will say he is not afraid to tackle, and he's not afraid to get his hands dirty. That strongest asset though is one hundred percents that that ability to press guys be physical. Prevent any any extra quick, easy stabbed in the, and that was honestly I think what the what is calling card was for Minnesota that they wanted him on the outside to be able to press up on these titans. He's not big enough to really track them. Them, and cover them in man situations and fast enough to follow the slot receivers, but he was aggressive enough to really mess up some of these guys and prevent them from having those easy. Get off, and that honestly worked a pretty good success, specifically against Penn State, because in any instance they were trying to get a quick playoff at the ball out quickly. The timing of everything was disrupted enough that they were able to create turnovers. They were also able to get some saks various situations as well. The other too though that we see. From this. Situation of why he's better near long scrimmages that he's not so hot at turning and running and following guys now I didn't hate too much what he did. When he was dropping into zones and trying to get a feel for the ball was going. It wasn't terrible. I don't think it was anything to really shout from the mountaintops about saying he's the lead guy at it, but he does what he needs to do. But when you ask him to start turning and following guys, he tends to get lost. He's not superfluid and transitioning. He's fluid enough. We're not fluid enough to follow these really faster speedy slot guys and he's not fast enough to really track the ball. Make play on it if he gets a little bit beep. Yeah I saw that, too. In off coverage like I, said when he has to be played more than ten yards down the field. He's he can be a little bit slow to react to guys, especially quicker slot receivers. And turning and running with him is. It's not as good as you would like to see. You, know He. It can be little bit labored. He can be caught flat-footed at times. Sometimes, it looks like he's guessing where the ball's going to go, and when that happens, you occasionally guest wrong. You know like I said I really like him. Best close to the line of scrimmage if he's playing off. or a deeper zone. That isn't really where he should be used another thing, too though with with seeing what Williams and does is. Again I I. Don't think that he has an elite athletic. To make him a clear cut guy that is going to be playing safety at the next level, which I think is why he was being used in this situation of strictly being A. Box linebacker safety hybrid in specific personnel groupings. He doesn't have that speediness in range despite being a smaller safety to follow track place, he doesn't have the size in the bulk to lay the would and be aggressive against the run so going on to talking about what he does against the run Chris I I don't think it's a huge deal in when just talking about some of his other traits, though is that I would like to see him have more of a sense of urgency. This isn't just against the run, but more of a sense of urgency when the ball is going. Going his way and I'm a stickler. When it comes to this stuff, because I hate seeing guys that once they realize, the ball's going the other way. They just jog towards the ball. I WANNA see guy once he knows where it's going. Sprint and swarm I want got. My guys are on the defense to be swarming for the ball going right after the ball, because sometimes those cutback lanes can really kill you against a very elusive bulk carrier if it's a receiver running back whatever it is even a quarterback. If you're not chasing down the ball to swarm, you can cause some really. Bad broken play situations where a ton of yards can be picked up so I, WanNa see Williams said just get a little bit more of a sense of urgency. Maybe that's something you can't coach out of him, but you need the least. Drill that into his head that he can't be jogging to the ball on the back side. You had no exactly that's. That is oddly incredibly important, and not just his position or positions, but everywhere that in the Scotsman Kademi they teach that is competitive toughness in that is one of the five core traits that you look for in every single every single position, not just linebacker or running back and tight end. Or what have you they you want to see? Guys play with hustle play with consistent hustle. Consistent urgency every single play because you never know what is going to happen, you know sometimes. You might think okay. My teammates have this covered. The they've got the tackle. Well, you know something happens. There's a guy slips. doesn't take the best angle and a running back. A receiver is able to break that tackle or force the missed tackle, and then all of a sudden. There's a whole there and you are in no position to go. Fill it, so that has how broken place happen. And you really WANNA. See all eleven guys on defense. Hustling and swarming towards the ball, in the fact that the giants have Saquon Barkley I, think is a perfect example of how we should know that you need those kinds of defenders, because when you're going against a guy like saquon is slippery as hell not easy to take down on his first initial cut, he can break things. He can break a little bit of sliver of room if he makes it Upfield a little bit and turn it into a huge gain. If you give them enough room in, you're not swarming to the football swarming to take down a guy like saquon guys like tyreek hill all of those guys. You need to be attacking the ball even if you're nowhere near. Where the play is going to be happening, it's just a in some people can kind of get over this but Chris I liked that you alluded to the fact that the. Scouting Academy, really teach this, and that makes me happy. No that that's a big thing that they teach. I. You know I saw Carter Coughlan. Stuff like this I saw Carter Coughlan show that sense of urgency did not really see that a time from Chris Williams Williams Senate. If not I saw pretty much every time the ball wasn't going his way. A lack of sense of okay. I need to go track this thing down. In case, something happens. Yeah, and just bringing Carter Coughlin. The is a little bit weird that you don't always see that urgency from Williamson. Because like you said. Coughlin's had it every play Antoine. Winfield Junior. He was another guy. He flew around the field. He had every single play, so it's kind of interesting. To see a player who played kind of halfway between them? Not really show that maybe. Those guys hustle. Made, up for. Williamson's lack of it or the fact that they were always flying around meant that he didn't have to, but. You can't say it wasn't something that wasn't coached because. You've got two other guys on your defense playing like that. You would think it would rubbed off on the rest of the defense. Yeah, that's all mentality. That's just all in the what's inside the helmet. What's in your head? And how you approach playing defense? Sometimes you do need to draw that into guys, though eventually pick it up. Sometimes you can't even coach that and get that fixed because it's just the mentality of the player, but hopefully Williamson can fix that Chris going onto specifically talking about the way he plays the run. Run we saw a lot of things where he was in positions to make tackles prevent anything more than a four yard gain, and instead breaking into a first down from just a running play He struggled a lot trying to defend the run, and it's not that he's not willing to make a play and get physical and all that because we talked about that earlier he he's very physical against receivers. You know he's showed a willingness to tackle he just. Doesn't know how to tackle part properly. I feel like he's diving. He doesn't understand proper angles. Maybe that's the case because he's not on the field all the time and he barely goes up against the run. Or, maybe it's the opposite of the situation that the coaches don't trust him to defend the run. I just think that you need to really work with him. On getting over from the ground up on how to properly tackle because some guys at the college level straight up. Don't know how to do it. There's there's plenty of guys that end up falling in these draft situations or going drafted, because they're just straight up. Good tacklers and I can't even really pinpoint specifically. WHAT THE ISSUE! Issue is because everything he does is incredibly sloppy when it comes to his tackling Yeah I, I agree completely i. said before he is, he has a willingness to tackle which he does now. There was a play against Nebraska where he's in coverage. On a two hundred sixty pound tight end follows him across the field squares up and drives through him. Unfortunately, that was the best tackle I saw him make. It's good to see him. Be Absolute willing to take on a guy. Sixty pounds heavier than him. One on one, but. There were so many other instances where he. He didn't square up he, didn't he? Didn't really do anything right. When it came to tackling end, I know tackling has become a little bit of a lost art. where it's almost more remarkable when a prospect comes out, who is consistently good tackler. But still. When you have a defender like Williamson. Who plays that kind of role? Close to the line of scrimmage. Who's going to have to make? His way onto the team through special teams. Having a guy who consistently takes bad angles who doesn't wrap up who has a bad tendency of just sliding off of offense players even? In Pass. Rush situations where he's a blitzer. You see just kind of slide off quarterbacks. That that is going to be absolutely maddening for coaches. Certainly, and I also think that some of his issues do stem from the fact that he tends to arm tackle a lot. Either replace where I saw him tackles and I thought I was like Oh. He's not that bad at tackling, and then I sat and I watched it over and over again. And I realized he only made this tackle because all he did was uses arms. He didn't bring his body. He didn't bring his lower half. He didn't try to put any power or. Any EMPHAN, do it. It was just reaching and grabbing, and he just got lucky on those particular plays because of instances. He's Swiping with his arms and guys were going flying right through that. If you're an arm tackle, you're not gonNA make a lot of tackles especially in the NFL last thing though Chris that I think that he really struggles with, and this will lead into what he needs to improve on. Is that I see him stack well, I see him man up square up with these tight ends even where? He'll have good extension better than some of the other guys that we've talked about better than Cam Brown to an extent and how will he stacks? Perfect extension, but he just doesn't have that upper body strength to shed, and we'll kind of talk about this what he needs to improve with that, but he's just not strong enough to work off of these tight ends, and when you're playing in that outside linebacker spot in the ball is running your direction. You gotta be able to shed at least a little bit. Yeah, and I do wonder if that isn't related to his tackling where he you know, he just doesn't bring his lower body to the. To, the game, so to speak. Powers generated from the ground up. And you know if you are not incorporating your lower body like that, it is tough to get off blocks especially when guys are so much bigger than you. And that's also very important for tackling. We're GONNA. Talk about everything that he needs to work on and improve on a lot of the stuff that we've already touched. Touched upon a bit here, but before we get to that we're gonNA take a short commercial break. 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It's as simple as working with him showing him what he needs to do. And then hoping he's coach -able enough to take that stuff in work on it and I'm sure that the giants were willing to take Williamson and select them here in the seventh round, because he thought he had that coach ability, but maybe not the experience to be as good in various aspects of his defensive game. Yeah, you definitely hope that you can get that. Tackling figured out because. Like I said before it? Even he isn't going to be on the field as a defender. He's going to have to make his way onto. The team is a special teams player and missed tackles on special teams are just. Their, killers. I sure giants fans have their own personal low light reels of. Special teams players missing tackles and other teams freaking big plays. and. If you're GONNA play on special teams. You GotTa tackle I think that is that might be the most important thing for Williamson to work on. We've done with every guy so far. We're GONNA project his ceiling in his floor. And I was optimistic here Chris. We were talking before the show and you know I certainly felt I was more optimistic. I think than I needed to be but I seeing Williams, I think what he does well in terms of that ability to press up against these smaller slot receivers and playing close to the line of scrimmage. I can see that if you progress in works on various parts of his game that he could turn into a core. Core, special teamer again. This seems like we keep saying the same thing about the seventh rounders, but that's the reality of the traits with these guys they took. You probably could guess. The Joe Judge was looking for guys that could play special teams at worst case scenario, but I see with Williamson core special teamer, and then when you WanNa get extra heavy, would safeties in a big nickel or dollar dime. I put him out there in Nickel I. I would put them out there situations where you know you want extra safeties and put him up close to the line of scrimmage. Let him go out there and and mess up these receivers against four wide receiver personnel groupings. I think that's a pretty good thing to have. If you WANNA put them out there and someone's complete killing you off the off the jump. If someone like Tyreek, Hill is getting a free release Henry rugs very fast or A. A. Jalen Reagan, and other good example of these fast, shifty, smaller lighter guys, but if you can go and put Williamson Autumn slow that release. Don't let them get a free release. You can situate situationally work with him and use him as a very specific chess piece now I don't see him being a starting safety or starting linebacker corner, but I could sees him working his way in under this new approach to defense with Patrick, Graham, which implies. Additional personal! Positional versatility rather yeah. I think he will be a special teams player I and He could wind up being the fourth or fifth was safety for. Maybe just a mistake of argument about who what position he gets, put on the depth chart. Those guys are. Generally, not players to be excited about seeing on the field. You know guys who were at the bottom your depth chart who are primarily special teams players? They'RE NOT GONNA BE! Great Defenders. But if the giants on a Dime, you know. Six seven eight defensive back formation. You could very well see him on the field. and. I think they will have. The giants would have to be careful with how they use him, but he could. He could definitely have a role like you just described, and it's going to need a lot of really perfect circumstances for him to find a defensive role, but I think a lot of these issues. His floor sadly might be a little bit more realistic than his ceiling in this floor. The way that we saw it was okay he's GonNa get right on the field, a special team special teams contributor, but think more likely than not. He's probably GONNA. Get caught I think that those tackling issues are enough to frustrate a coaching staff if they think that they can work with him and improve him and kind of stuff I'm on the end of the as the fifty fifth guy on the roster or Put Him on the practice squad and in work with him on that, but if he struggles tackling in the preseason, and he misses and whiffs on plays in preseason games, a teams are not teams. Even the coaching staff is not gonNA waste their time being frustrated with the guy that's not tackling properly, because you can be in position and you could play everything perfectly, but if you miss a tackle you. You can give up a huge gain if the rest of your guys out of position in your in the right position especially like we talked about earlier. If some guys on your team, assume Oh, he's got it. He's right there. He came. Go make that play. You can't be missing tackles at this level. It's just a big. No, no, and you know as much as we say all the time. Tackling a bit more of a lost art in the NFL I think that if you're playing this role of a strong safety box safety, heavy defensive back oriented personnel group. You need to be able to tackle. You need to improve on that. I think that he could be a much better. Player improves on it, but it seems like that's enough to to get him caught if he can't yeah and this this off season is certainly a unique one. At least we hope it's a unique one. And you know with. The NFL off season already curtailed by the CBI. There's only so much contact players can coaches. There's only so many padded practices they can have. Coaches just don't have the time even under the best of circumstances to really teach guys how to tackle. They. That's part of the reason why it's a lost art, and it's something they should be learning how to do at the lower levels, but even at the lower levels. Coaches don't seem to have the time to teach them how to tackle. So. With? Ota's in everything being basically done virtually team meetings being done virtually players having to train on their own. Even more than in a normal season. The giants might just look at Chris Williamson and say. We'd like you. We want to keep working with you, but we can't afford to give you a roster spot and that certainly doesn't mean that they wouldn't try and keep him around on the practice squad and see if he can develop an improved, but it seems like right now. The that glaring tackling issue is enough to say we can't waste. Fifty five spots on on you just right at this moment as a rookie, and there's guys that ended up working through that stuff, and then making the roster as we've seen with the giants throughout the year, so he could end up working his way into. Having some type of impact if he can improve on those things in the next couple of seasons, that's going to be it from US folks thank you for tuning in as always to the Chris. Joe Show, be sure to rain subscribe wherever you may be listening to us and also follow us on social media at Big Blue View. You can follow me at Joe De, Leone Chris at Raptor MK I Next. We're going to talk about pay crowder. UFC Two fifty kicks off this Saturday and draftkings. In one day, fantasy sports is giving you a free shot at a one million dollar top prize with your first deposit. 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A YEAR OF MIRACLES-DAY-20
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Marianne Williamson, Hidden Injustice, Astral Insights y Mas
"Live from Brooklyn. You're listening to golf as the break happy Monday. This is rally shamanists. Welcome to another break reroute the Iran in Hinton. Take a moment right now and invite the community to join us for this got this deep the brakes journey. Get your coffee and you're trying your soda your water. Whatever drink of choice and join us for this journey is going to be hot. Aw Jam packed shows. Are you ready Welcome back to the break. This is Rod shamanism stuff and today's show is called hidden injustice astral incites when talking about Crystals Marianne Williamson doing your research some medical stuff. That's questionable in medical research bring out. I mean you know we're living in the days of a lot of unveilings and it's really overwhelming and I know that sometimes you WANNA turn off but before I get into this show with you and we're route the. Let's and I'd like to invite you to my office confession last week. I was telling you about the beautiful delicious Colombian coffee that I was drinking and I also shared that I love gifts of cuff Acetyl in just one day I attracted four blessings of different coffee versions. Now I have vanilla chocolate. Cappuccino Mountain River blend a light medium roasts and then a dark roast rose roles. Zita is really happy. Keep on coming with those cuff. AC- don't give so there's a lot to cover. I'm going to introduce my beautiful beautiful friend and sister who is live from Plano Texas me and the help me welcome Ruthie good morning maker. How are you today nothing and and that's my response you Ruthie. How am I today the day I'm going in a just say. That's the website like I'll awebber. Minka Weber do what you can what you have right now to make your whipper. Last week was one of those weeks rookie where I got got a lot of smack downs smackdown from the universe smackdown from human beings not not literally I just WanNa make that clear but but figuratively where human beings in your life show you their cards and I just have one word to say oh gee but then on the flip side we also had friends who showed up our tribe and you you know who you are and you know what this refers to and I just WanNa say thank you my sister and I really appreciate you guys and you know sometimes we we are all we wish that may be family and some of our lifelong friends would see us in a certain way and then we connect the people who don't know us for too long but they seem to treasure you and regard you in a way that the people that know you forever are unable to do so and I think this is the way that life balances. How does it make it perfect still hurts when you wish you would have how the support and understanding from people who love you and know you very well or related to you but you know dislike of we make our own decisions as we move forward and sometimes we the direction we feel called to go is not the direction that are the people who have known as for a really long time. That's not something that interests them and we have to be okay with that too so it's been definitely a week of lessons a week of endings and beginnings and Guyana Zell's. How are you guten. It was definitely a week. You know it's really funny because as we were discussing the breeze show. It's like you know that something's going to happen. You know somebody's nobody's GonNa say or do something in particular you just expecting. It and you're still surprised that it's it's Kinda like okay all right. You could be forewarned but it still stings so you just you know do your best let go and move forward moving forward even even with Some wounds are moving forward with some wounds. I'm going to be very honest. I have been at moved through emotions of deep sadness feeling feelings of betrayal and and those are hard feelings to hold so I'm holding space for myself while I moved through these emotions. Yes and you know it's practicing my medicine. What I share with you the tribe all of the time that year you know we definitely as humans are certain feelings. We don't WanNa feel like when feelings of betrayal when someone let you down or when loved ones WanNa initially you to dance their way in don't accept the way you show up like those those things really her and it's important to Holtz Holtz peace for yourself to move through the feelings and then you know when you're ready do Ashiq which Mama give ah go and for those of you that are listening that out of deep love you are basically giving giving unsolicited recommendations and advice to people you know back up Beca. It's not all about you right right. Just listen listen and respect somebody else's boundaries and respect affect other people's feelings because everybody has the choice he you know went. We went and social media and mainstream mm-hmm we it's this dichotomy of feelings and respecting people's feelings is upside down world because it feels like certain groups feelings feelings are coveted and must be protected or cause but there is this nastiness coming out of human beings that it is unbelievable to me and it's showing you where the the society the culture is going more. People are having hard time having face to face conversations like they'll go in all all in on on social media or maybe on a facebook comment or maybe you post something and they'll rip you to shreds but when they're in front of you it's like the cutest little butterfly the world such innocence. You know it's a whole lot easier to sit there anonymously and even if it's not anonymously behind a computer screen and just type away type type away. Ed's not so simple when you're facing that I so I think all of his needs less screen time and more people time as face to face to face absolutely and we you know ruthin. I don't get that face to face time. Though we get the soul vibe time here on Kasey debris Monday morning so but honey when we did get some face time look when we went to the conference straight we were like sitting there like like little girls at a slumber party sitting there talking until so late at night because we couldn't stop talking no longer and it translated because when people saw the feed you don't know well how many comments I got from people who are like wow it's amazing to me like people were really amazed at the fact that we've been doing the show for over seven years and we've only seen each of the four times and yet one of the most comments that we get offline and in person and you know an you know through an online is while there is this chemistry that you ruthie with the have there's some people no matter how long they know each other there aren't able to cultivate and so then we are testimony our friendship ensure bizzare testimony of if you know what if some of the things that have made this relationship with success. I think that Rudini we we respect our differences and we listen to each other and we don't try to mold the other one into something else but we also don't shy away from speaking the truth. Even though it's something that may be hurtful say it in a loving way but colitis ties. We tell each other things that are not not fun yeah but it's honest as it's loading and but you need that you need the I've i. I've tried that approach with certain people in my life like okay. I'M GONNA get into conversation and some people can handle handle into just disappear or you know they write you off. They cancel you our like the castle culture. I've definitely been cancelled by. Some of my friends ends and part of the reason or I've cancelled some of them and I think it's because of that manipulation is sake. This is who I am. Take me as I am or don't I'll be okay. Let's clear to to the point if not as dependable chip and then the butcher and I have to say I want to send a love shout to the tribe because you know I keep hearing comments that you love the new format you are like some of you were suffering when Ruthie and I took a little hiatus break and they would like keep it coming and I hear that you love and we surprise each other and like you know harmless favorite fan of course or he. We're his favourite show. I guess whatever sends us these reminders Are you running late when you start so today. We're a little bit late. We got our little reminder. Hey when's it gonna start so thank you. Thank you cheat. Oh He's definitely one of the Cup Zito team members and the way to get into the coffee break tribe is the heart is your intention is that you know wanting to an intending to walk with integrity and and and we love which is kind of why if we're ready to start jumping into some of the hot topics I think I'll forget just made up aw hip hop aboard the doomed. I don't want to do to whom to to to to okay so this is not necessarily news stories but I wanted to talk about Marianne Williamson in several in a couple of different ways as we know Marianne Williamson name SUNA someone that we've brought up here before right as a as a conversation piece we've read her our deepest fear quote which is is one of my favorites which is about you know speaking up and standing in your truth and I have to say I applaud Marianne Williamson for you're bringing does divine feminine energy to the Political Stage and I'm not I'm not talking to her. I'm not speaking about it as like this is a candidate. I'm supporting. I'm just saying I appreciate because we know that. Politics is in a state of where is it going. Is this Democrat Democratic Party Republican Party. Is it time to start speaking speaking about other options other parties and one of the things that excited me about this democratic debate cycle is seeing some of these very different voices for someone to be on that stage which sharks which shark energy where people people want to tear each other down and they're speaking and they're using words like love you just like imagine beyond the fact that she triggered so many any people she's still planting a very important seed of a potentially of how we can move forward. She is still oh highlighting. The fact that we are in deep need of healing another thing that I appreciate about Marianne Williamson is the fact that she very abruptly shared on that stage and it wasn't some it wasn't mainstream favorite moment when she was a wiki talking about this healthcare system but it's a sick sick care system right and I'm paraphrasing her words bunch raising awareness to the broken -ness of our system and I'm wondering right there Ruthie because I have different thought conversations about connected to marry Williamson if you wanted to. Maybe share the the your report on medical on the medical system the UNISOM research. There's there's a lot awful lot. Okay so I was going to start with the different story but I'll bring that towards the end so there's one story that was from the twelfth of September of this year which talks about when government runs healthcare and it highlights how there are Dr Systems in the world in different countries where the government actually runs the healthcare completely so this comes from Ireland and the the Tagline says long wait times for treatment or a problem for government healthcare systems like Britain's National Health Health Service but this article comes comes from Ireland from Dublin. When would you like to schedule your knee replacement surgery as my American doctor before I left Ireland for Ireland. I gave him a date the worst for me etc so he's talking about the different amounts of wait times that you could have in different countries right so is Ireland. Ireland isn't even a part of Britain's National Health Service. They've got their own system. then he looked at the different figures. I'm trying to get to the actual data on here. basically they have less than five million people in Ireland the population delicious the United States is over three hundred twenty nine million. If tiny Ireland can't make it work what makes so many of our politicians think that it's going to work in the the United States because according to this surgery delays are cheating elderly out of precious time you've gotta wait months and months and months for any kind of of medical procedure that you need and basically it's comparing the numbers okay so how in the world are we can have wonderful healthcare the air if we're waiting for everything rate. It's very good point yeah. Here's the question that endures according to this article article with governments doing so few things efficiently and in reasonable cause or why do so many people turned to it. I ray must virgo question. Why do you think that is I mean this has been the major thing we keep hearing over and over and over again. It's absolutely crazy absolutely crazy so I know that there's a lot of delays in Canada for people to get the health care and it goes on and on it it goes on and on so we don't necessarily want. I don't believe you've government run health care for me. It's more than that for me. It's also the privacy I mean. There is no privacy left. There is no privacy left. My dear done a gay okay so then there's another article that basically says. September government report shows two hundred six million dollars have have been paid so far in two thousand nineteen for vaccine injuries and death gate just this year and it's not even the years not over a yet okay and that comes from a website called vaccine impact but it comes from a report that is from the Department of Justice and is due to September six twin nineteen which is entitled vaccine injuries and deaths now. We know that the system system that was developed for doctors and medical professionals to report vaccine injuries which is called vars is very It's not US rely very much. Many doctors do not go in there and report vaccine injuries so we're not getting the full data. This is only the ones that went through the entire process. It's only the ones that actually one and it's very difficult to win. These cases his That's just an awful. It's just a really challenging challenging situation right there. I'm I'm so I'm going to provide the link for further research on that one as well because we've got more so then there was another article. Reuters has been doing in a series of reports called hidden injustice and there's one that basically the title is US court. Let's let's Merck does hide secrets about Popular Drugs Risks K. and if you go into that report it basically is talking about a drug called pro p. Shia and the lawsuits are claiming the baldness drug pro peace propitiate causes sexual problems and depression okay so there was evidence that was previously sealed by a judge judge that Reuters uncovered in order to get this report out so I will also include that lake for everybody it to be able to follow up because there's so many of these are not gonna go into detail on all of them. is just an awful lot then. RFK junior who has been battling the vaccine industry in court basically says the CDC is not an independent agency. It is a vaccine company the Center for Disease Control which is the CDC owned over twenty vaccine patents. Wow aw I'll repeat that the CDC owned over twenty vaccine patents. It sells tells about four point six billion dollars of vaccines every year. That's incredible. Okay now what this is all tied into. Do we want government to run our health. I mean that's that's only from the potential candidates right but you know the government already owns the patent to these vaccines jeans that by the way as we all know that scene manufacturers are not required they do not have any kind of liability for their the product and if anybody can send me a link to a proven study. The proves that vaccines are safe. I will be happy to put on it because I have not been able to find one say just saying. Hey yet. Do we want government to run our entire healthcare system. My answer is no okay. I see as soon as the next headline that I have for you is at Illinois and this was September number twelfth. Actually this was from last year but it highlights the problems could still have dissolved. Illinois teen dies of Ad Em three weeks weeks after HPV vaccination ad em is acute disseminated and Cephlon Maya litis this and that is a reported side effect of Gardasil and is actually listed in the Gardasil artists so package insert so here's my request to all parents and all people that are considering taking this Gardasil vaccine. Get a copy of the insert and read it before you take that that scene okay. I'm going to read a portion of the label and is listed under six point two post marketing experience. The following adverse events have been spontaneously reported during post approval use of Gardasil because these events were reported voluntarily from population of uncertain size it is not possible to reliably estimate their frequency quincy or to establish a causal relationship to vaccine exposure blood and fatty system disorders autoimmune hemolytic critic anemia idiopathic thrombosis to- penick Perpere Linda Linda D. nuff pathy not doing a really bad job there respiratory harassed and media still disorders Colon Palmeri umbrellas gastrointestinal intestinal disorders nausea pancreatitis vomiting now anybody has suffered from Anchorage Edison or know somebody that has suffered from pancreatitis It's a very very painful serious. Possibly life threatening condition trust me. I Know General Disorders and administration side condition esteem yeah chills death death fatigue Malays Immune System Disorders Autoimmune Diseases hypersensitivity reactions including and if electic. NFL Toyed Reactions broncos spasm and your Dicara so you've got a lot of these horrible diseases including paralysis seizures other seizure like activity. All of these are possibilities from Gardasil but there's been no studies that prove so please be careful and don't just assume don't just assume it's pretty bad stuff. Isn't it okay so those are the ones a head on the medical issues I've got a couple more stories that I've got but we come back to it if he by okay yeah I would say I wanna move onto the discussion of prayer rudy and I know this is a discussion as important to you and I and the way we apply in our lives right yes man and again this is connected to Marianne Williamson when this giant storm Dorian was approaching and I wanNA maybe backtrack a little bit because I want to also say that when I was listening listening to reports of this storm that was developing in the Caribbean and he had it even approached Puerto Rico or the Bahamas yet. I don't know about you but I was getting. The little antennas in my system were up and I felt very uncomfortable. May maybe was because of the cadence. I was listening to from the reporters and mind you. This wasn't even a big storm yet. All of a sudden it becomes this humongous storm and it does something no one's ever seen before not only became a category five but it stalled any indus this giant storm stalled over the Bahamas around Abaco Island for I believe eighteen hours moving one mile per hour the destruction on that island and and the numbers that are being reported as death toll do not match up because that I was completely that especially that area everything was just totaled now when when a catastrophe of this whether you want to I'm not even going to get into the conspiracy theory. If this was a man may storm even though this is part of me that questions if there are components of there is research out there right I think is where the warfare or that you know there is science that able to manipulate the weather this net interject something here okay so about a week ago. I actually watched video footage that was shot in in nineteen fifty nine or nineteen sixty as part of a Disney special that actually showed showed these systems that are used to track manipulate weather so it's not it's really isn't a conspiracy theory okay. This was information available. Back in nineteen not succeed whole book. Bill Rosetta brings it up. My community would say are you. Conspiracy theorist ropes Egypt the job. It was broadcast on national. TV is part of a wealthy special and this is also a way that people silence other people into shuten the F. UP Rosie does not going to shut the F. up because I have this platform as long as I have it and I have brave women creatures women by my silent Ruthie Eighty and my sister. We're going to continue to be squeaky wheels for this amendable chip that we are witnessing society. I will not shut up. Get angry because it's the way people get shut down. Then this is kind of how it relates to Marianne Williamson you know she mentioned we'll see you could bring it up. She suggested that people pray for the storm to to go another way and she got torn. You like and you know what I didn't. I didn't hear her suggestion suggestion. It was like twitter through twitter a lot of us that were automatically praying because we had this gut feeling that things weren't as they were being reported and I mean anytime anybody brought it up to me I would say I'm just visualizing it turning and heading north and heading out to sea I'm visualizing it dissipating and look at me like Ya whatever I guess what rank right there were a lot of people praying a lot of people visualizing a lot of people sending those entities out. I believe in it I believe in the power period that's me and you're not the only one and many human beings across the world believe in the power of prayer so this just goes to show you the state of mainstream and I'm not just talking about mainstream as in you know just the mainstream media or the mainstream social media. I'm talking about the mainstream conversation the ones that are highlighted to use a word that Marianne Williamson sued shared godless to godless this no god there when you're mocking people who are saying and suggesting to visualize something they were all you know when a catastrophe like this is is is unfolding with it is earthquake or or a storm. We feel helpless as human beings. It's not like we can make ourselves big and you know you bring the storm to wherever but we can use our collective goodness to pray now when she said so apparently she said on this is from CNN in Politics Williamson deletes tweet suggesting power of the mind can deter Hurricane Doreen and and so I think that let me see so Democratic presidential candidate Mary Williamson Polston and then deleted tweets we Wednesday morning and this was a September fourth the article came out suggested that the power of the mind could deter Hurricane Doreen from slamming into into the US the Mahama's Florida Georgia and the Carolinas may all be in our prayers. Now millions of US are seeing Dorey and turn away from the land is not a wacky idea. It is a creative use of the power of the mind two minutes of prayer visualization and meditation for those in the way of the storm her now deleted I post read she replaced a tweet with a post offering prayer for people of the Bahamas Georgia and Keller Carolina's the peace of God be upon them and hearts be comforted as the endured the storm she wrote so again like she gets destroyed by suggesting suggesting something noble by suggesting something that to be quite honest. I would want maybe to you know when you you when when I picture of somebody who's in leadership I can picture the toughness and they may be sometimes the vulgarity that we might see as is like the president but I can. There's also times of when people need elevation and there's something so beautiful about prayer. There's an article about then I found sunny rate dot org eleven amazing effects of prayer and I'm not gonna read it fully but I'll just give you the bullet points prayer brings optimism hope and a range of positive feelings prayer helps you to show gratitude attitude for all the wonderful people you are surrounded with prayer makes you less vulnerable to stress and offsets the negative health effects related to everyday stress and this type of stress when you feel helpless and you're activating thought currents of fear and so you know you when you activate the thought currents of prayer you're redirecting that anxiety you might be feeling and your placing it in higher higher vibration and when many people are doing at the same time. I do believe that there is a power there you might think is Hokey pokey weirdness but I've seen enough in my lifetime to to believe in it to win you experienced in chronicity cities went you experience what some people might call little everyday. Miracles happened would happen if the person person hadn't prayed or had meditated visualize. Maybe maybe not I don't know but I wanted to leave that thought and Gyro de I know I I'm with you a hundred percent one hundred percent you know and it's not gonNA hurt. It can't hurt it cannot hurt you know like like it. It's like everything about prayer seems to be good at it helps to overcome fear. It helps to increase your creativity pretty. It reminds you that you're not alone when people are praying together when I know that someone says like if something's happening in a gnome while a lot of rain you feel like you've just opened a portal and everyone's with you exactly and makes such a difference and I'm going to say something I've actually seen video video footage of some of the carnage that was a result of Dorian and I firmly believe that the the number of deaths are in thousands as opposed to what's being reported and it's kind of interesting interesting synchronicity because my last report that I'm going me to offer is entitled Deaths Reality Versus reported God. It is it is a the title is charging death and it was written and data was collected in the analysis was done by a when Xin has son Al Jamali Mixim Maximilian seamers and Nichols stone and I will provide all links for this so how do people die. How do people think we die and is there a difference well. It turns out. There's a fascinating study conducted by Paul Slavic Nick and Barbara Combs where they looked at how often different types of debts were mentioned in the news. They then compared the frequency of news coverage coverage with the actual frequency of people who died a for each 'cause although all diseases claim almost a thousand times as many many lives is due homicides. There were about three times as many articles about how sides that about all diseases furthermore for homicide articles tend to be more than twice as long as articles reporting deaths from diseases and accidents so that's just a little blurb from I met I will give you the link the gist of it is. We are receiving information that comes from agendas. They're not reporting things in a proportional manner as to what actually occurs and that has very directly directly to what you were discussing with the number of deaths in the Bahamas absolutely thank you for sharing that and digitally because because I wasn't going to I was going to have that as my lead story and I didn't know that you were going to be discussing that and I switched to bless moment. He were flying by the seats that are pantaloons and I'm. I'm being mindful of the time so this will be my last story and some of them will have to be Hopefully hopefully for next week because I still had some. Marianne Williamson connected stories that I wanted to talk about but I want to show some astral insight we just had a full moon and and as I mentioned when we opened the show it was a hard week. I also witnessed a lot of hard stories that hard to to listen to but God called me to witness them and to hold them for other people so I I know that is just really really difficult times. There's been some losses in the pet category some people that I know have lost either little doggy or little cash. I even had this weird dream that that Charlie jumped out the window. It was just the craziest thing in those little body just free falling and in all of this animals stuck dying was all within twelve hours. It was really crazy and I wanted to Redo. This comes from mystic. Mama Dot Com full moon in Pisces for morning. Pisces conjuncture Neptune comes to cradle us in the feeling realms as our emotions swell with the tides you you ain't kidding mom. Sita Pisces is calling us to awaken compassion for our very selves and also to extend that grace two others. I WANNA take a deep breath in extending degrees to other irs because each of us no matter what it looks like back on the house side is fighting our own battles. This reminds me what something you always remind us about rookie right now. We don't have all the answers nobody does. We are all needing to be okay with not knowing how this is going to turn out. We could want to fall into despair wanting to escape the harsh realities. We are facing but this is where we find our deeper anchor. This is where we dig deeper to fully uncover recover our primal essence so that we can find our peace our president amidst the turmoil and haste our presence requires us to be perecent. I WanNa read a little bit of the summary details so let's see Masika. This was pretty long. Okay this from Leo White Horse. The challenge is that we are now at the height of the t square the moon poses not only the sun but also Venus Mercury Mars Marta self self is about to perfect an opposition to Neptune this this also can sometimes indicate the moment when we feel like giving up giving in isn't that interesting in comparison to the to the conversations we've been having the last week at his worst does aspect can beat insiduous whispers whispers such as what's the point. I can't do anything anyway. I don't know what to do so better to do nothing. I stuck everything. I never get anywhere. Everything everything is against me. This problem is too big. I think I've uttered all of these in the last week. self-defeating self talk can see motivation trickle away from before starts part of US wants to stick our heads in the sand spiritually bypass. Check out of checkout with a bottle of GIN yet. We can't see the picture and all the edge pieces seemed to be missing. Can you be okay with not knowing how all all of this fits together or how it's going to turn out. I'M GONNA leave it right there. I'm Alina Cliff Hanger and I'm going to fight you to check out the rest of this story and the summary when we post the show a little bit later on today that ginger saved because we had that conversation right before the show. I was like all the details the kiss we're not going to change it right but we can. We can just you know sometimes. Sometimes we have to watch it like a drama unfolds and just not let our emotions get tied up with that because it's entertaining and it's important to be knowledgeable about what's happening. It was then lowered deep this motion to get involved with all the things that are happening landis insisting yet again. I'm going to give very quick health wisdom. Do we need to do with music or anything or go for it. My Love Okay so there was a commute posted on facebook. and the mean says it's by someone named Gary Petka. He's an orthopedic surgeon and senior lecturer sure the University of Tasmania and basically the maim says sugar refined carbs and man-made fads like margarine. These these are the root cause of inflammation in a nutshell the cause of modern disease now one of my all time Favorite Doctors Sector Movie Mitch Mitchell you can to find a lot of his wisdom on his website which is Dr Fit with two TS DOT com. He says not quite dead simple number. One cause of of cancer deaths is smoking commercial tobacco number. One positive mass shootings zyppah tropic gross can't Child Childhood Cancer Vaccines Autism Vaccines Sudden debt. Some sudden infant death bed scenes acute flaccid. My light is vaccines suicides antidepressants anti-depressants so it's Food and Drug Administration that kills most Americans. Why don't Americans get it. Sadie reason meteorologist slash pedophile Mike Mike Davis Bill cosby priests Scout Masters Olympic doctors and Harvey Weinstein were not on the Raider. You're looking for horns on the devil. That's it's now and not how he dresses. He dresses like a priest like a doctor like a coach like a teacher like a policeman like a movie producer like a preacher like a rabbi by or some other persona that allows him to blend in unnoticed weapon in our faces more weapon in our faces. This is just a truth and I guess you know four botanical crystal ally recommendation. I'm going to to recommend the angel light again. I think is just it's really been interesting because I usually like to try to recommend a different crystalise tweak but this summer has been about the roles courts loving energies forgiveness compassion angel light is so soft is so soothing thing so nurturing to hold and although Marianne Williamson got memed out because they someone started talking talking about the fact that she had crystals and they started naming her as the Weird Crystal Lady. I'm going to tell you quite seriously as a woman who works crystals for like maybe eight to ten years now and I serve my community when my sister for six years in Williamsburg Brooklyn crystals are have an aliveness to them may be some people work with crystals and the way they they the the relate to people may seem weird to you one of the biggest things and biggest lessons. I've learned from working with this beautiful. Mineral Kingdom mm-hmm is non judgement. I'm learning. I learned every day because in my little shop I've seen lawyers. The judge is healthcare workers doctors emergency room people therapies social workers students nearly homeless wealthy. Lee Famous basketball player were exploring exploring crystals so you see be mocked in mainstream and then you ask yourself a deeper question. Why are they mocking things that could bring more wholesome to the individual while they mocking things like prayer. Is this a bigger thing. Is this a war for a spirtual for an so Mahinda however however you meet your spirituality out an a however you tap into your toolkits. This is a perfect time to work with that resonance. What works for you and you know people always talk and mainstream will always find a way to maybe get you off off your path but I save speak you happy in its are harming anyone no worker what works for you and make it weapon? Thank you guys for Tuning Tuning in and thank you for sharing space with me today. Thank you darling love. You guys have a wonderful week by Mahinda just to remind you that the brick continues all week long you could check off the brake on Instagram at Gothi the break facebook acuff a seat the break twitter at officer the break but our favorite place in the whole wide world is Gafa seat the break ORC and please me hint they you see this kind of conversations. We cover you know you to delete stuff stuff from us. 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