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Unraveled: A Long Island Serial Killer
"william talbot" Discussed on Unraveled: A Long Island Serial Killer
"I'm Alexis linklater. And I'm Billy Jensen. When detective Jim sharf snapped the cops on William Talbot, he knew that genetic genealogy could be a revolution in law enforcement. But he didn't anticipate what it would fully reveal. Just one month earlier, Golden State killer Joseph Deangelo had been identified using genetic genealogy. One month after talbott, it would be Raymond roe. Two of those three offenders had no serious criminal history. I started noticing that a lot of these other people that were being arrested by the use of genetic genealogy are people that only did it once or there's only DNA left at one crime scene. I'm thinking what kind of a person are we dealing with here? Our investigation of the row and Talbot cases in the previous episodes exposed an undeniable implication. Profiles can only be so useful in hunting down someone who has never killed before and then never kills again. In this final episode, we're asking the question, what is the future of profiling in light of genetic genealogy? And how can it possibly plan for this type of killer? Paul holes, who spearheaded the investigation of the Golden State killer, recognized the problem facing profilers when he heard the details of Raymond roe killing Christy marac. If I were to take a look at the crime scene, this looks like a predator, likely committed, you know, priors and possibly committed more afterwards, the characteristics are there. Therefore, this is likely a serial offender. Did profiling just not account for this species of killer. The previous models are a little bit problematic from a behavioral analysis standpoint. Now, you have the one offs who commit a similar enough crime that can fool those of us that have worked serial cases. There hasn't been a really good comprehensive study to figure out, well, what is going on with these offenders? These are professional investigators with decades of experience under their belts. And they're realizing how easily they can be fooled. Why? Because they've been taught to rely on the model that profiles have been selling for decades. When the FBI started its behavioral analysis unit in the 1970s, the focus was on serial killers. These were the headline grabbers, the real-life monsters that captured America's fear and fascination. People like Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, are perfect examples. Law enforcement would call them lust murderers or something to that effect. They started to study these lust murderers, the serial offenders. There was this idea that serial killings had this sort of addictive quality. What are your thoughts on that? It became apparent that many of them had a very act of fantasy life about the violence. Prior to them ever committing the crimes. And that they would continue to fantasize, even after they had committed the crimes. So profilers in the early days felt that this fantasy was so core to the person. That that would be such an addiction to them, that they would continue to do that until they could no longer do that. You hear the phrase that serial killers never stop, and so if a series stopped, it's assumed that while they went into custody. They became disabled. They've died. The addiction theory, by definition, would not pertain to a one and done killer. But that type of offender was not being studied, or even really acknowledged. If the person wasn't caught quickly, they just weren't caught. And those crimes were then assumed to be part of a serial killer spree, yet to be identified. But even with all the attention being given to serial killers, how accurate were the conclusions..
Unraveled: A Long Island Serial Killer
"william talbot" Discussed on Unraveled: A Long Island Serial Killer
"You think people may be fearful of opting in? Well, you know, it's obviously a very personal decision on how they want to have their DNA profiles utilized. I think the fear comes more from, well, what is law enforcement going to do? If anybody has any fears about how that sample is used, recognize that law enforcement never has access to that sample or that DNA profile. They just need to utilize those people as starting data points to build genealogy trees that is public source information. I can write now, take anybody as long as I know their name and their approximate age and start building their family tree and ancestry dot com. Just using the available census records and obituaries and find a grave information. That is completely public information. There are also potentially concern that, oh, if I happen to match somebody in law enforcement's going to be knocking on my door and harassing me or wanting to get my DNA sample to be compared to a crime scene, and that the reality is that is not how law enforcement utilizes this technique. And most of the time, the searches of the database come back with relatives that are so distantly related from the offender that they're looking for, law enforcement has no reason to go talk to anybody. The fear is really, I think, more out of just the unknown Chelsea rustad, whose genealogy profile brought William Talbot to justice is a vocal supporter of opting in. Using herself as an example. I'm glad that it turned out the way that it did, and that I was able to have this happenstance connection that ended up being so meaningful in this case. And I hope that more people will continue to just be informed about it, not be scared of it, but to learn what it could mean, not just for themselves and their understanding of their family history, but what it can mean to others, to fill in those gaps and provide the answers that they've been desperately searching for. I'm glad that there's another tool in the toolbox, not just to solve the cases, and identify the perpetrators, but to have the deterrent effect because when people know that this exists and this technology is out there, they might, it might give them pause and they might think twice before acting on these terrible urges and hurting other people and actually killing other people. But winning the court of public opinion is only the first step, because as early arrests were being made, lawmakers eager to please their constituents were already in a rush to respond to any perceived hesitations about this technology. Legislators out there who were looking at passing laws that would ban law enforcement's use of this tool, and what did you do after that? You sort of became an ambassador for genetic genealogy across the country. Yeah, you know, a lot of the interviews that I was doing at the time was really to try to allay the fears of this tool because it is not as invasive as what most people would generally think. And so I was trying to be very public about outlining how the tool was used to make sure that they did their due diligence. To truly understand what the tool was before they passed legislation restricting law enforcement's use of it. Federal guidelines have since stipulated that genetic genealogy should be limited to the most violent cases, like rape and murder. And should concentrate on cold cases rather than active ones. Active cases should exhaust all other forensic tools first before this process is even considered. But even under these recommendations, there is one other constituent that has surprisingly offered some resistance. And that is the law enforcement community itself. There were initial concerns about whether this process would hold up in court. The Golden State killer didn't test this as he took a plea deal. Raymond Rowe also pled guilty. It took the Talbot case to show that a jury trial could secure a conviction by using genetic genealogy. But some law enforcement officers still felt the writing was on the legislative wall. I am aware that there are agencies concerned about how the state, the state has come out with certain legislative efforts where they see, okay, this is not going to be something that we're going to be permitted to use. So we're not going to waste our time doing it. And it's unfortunate because they're denying the families of the victims, answers, I personally have asked some police departments why they aren't using genetic genealogy on their cold cases. And their answers are dodgy at best. Some have said it's a cost issue. But even when some of them were given a chance to do it at no cost, they still said no. People are just too focused on the work that they're doing. To learn this new tool. So what does the future hold for genetic genealogy? What do we need to do? We need to get the administrators in those agencies focused on solving these crimes. We need to get them to allocate an officer or two to work on them. The amount of money that they're spending on salaries for a year could probably solve a couple of dozen cases in a year. So the salaries that people are getting for doing a job is being wasted by not doing the lab work that it takes to solve them. Because trying to do the footwork on them to track them down without doing the lab work is much more costly. What I would tell people too is upload your DNA to jet match. So that you can help law enforcement do their job. The more people that are in Jed match, the more chances are that we're going to match to a second cousin instead of a fourth cousin and be able to solve it in a day instead of two years. I mean, it's painful enough just to know that your loved one was murdered. But then to never have any answers through our work, we can get answers. Maybe not all the answers, but enough answers. If we can find who did it and hold them accountable for it..
Unraveled: A Long Island Serial Killer
"william talbot" Discussed on Unraveled: A Long Island Serial Killer
"He assaulted his own family members and pushed his sister down, broke her tailbone. Threatened his father and said, when I get a driver's license, I'm going to run you over and just all of these really upsetting incidents. One of the worst instances was when his sister shared that he tried to sexually assault her. And she told their mom about what happened. And even then, the mom was just saying, well, you know, he's just not popular with girls at school and that's just what boys do when they're lonely. Everyone even his own family was saying that the picture of a man that emerged was a really angry and physical disturbed young man. His whole life. Talbott's relatives had a very different image of him than his friend Mike did, who he introduced you to in the last episode. Talbott had proven good at hiding his true self from outsiders. But DNA doesn't lie. Talbot's conviction was a win for science. In Chelsea was glad that she could play a role in finding justice for two innocent victims. I was invited by detective Jim sharf on behalf of the families to attend the sentencing. And I was really grateful for that because it was such a precedent set in case I felt like it was really important to visibly support the victims families and show that just because you happen to be related to somebody who did something like this, you don't take their side. Was that the first time you met Jay and Tanya's families? Yeah, we were able to connect and finally meet with Jay's sisters and then with Tanya's brother. What they've been through is unimaginable. They were absolutely gracious and kind and welcoming. It was the right choice to be there and to be supportive of them that they so you saw William and court. I did see him. Do you recall what he said? He made a few statements about things like I have sympathy for the families, but I have loathing for anyone who could think I would do such a thing. And if you talk to people who knew me, they'll tell you that I was never violent and I've never harmed anyone. It was unfortunate that he felt the need to say anything and maintain his innocence to the end instead of having some kind of shred of decency to acknowledge what had happened and acknowledge the pain. He inflicted on the families and what he took from the. William Talbot continues to appeal his case. But his conviction marks him as a specific kind of criminal. One who had many of the same traits as a serial murderer, but appears to have only killed that one time. Just like Raymond roe. What could we learn about this type of criminal by looking at these two offenders? All right, Billy, so we've got these two really interesting cases that have both been solved using genetic genealogy. And what's really interesting is that in both of them, we've got these two killers that really just blew the minds of investigators into 5 their expectations. What's even more interesting is that Raymond wrote and William Talbot really couldn't be more different in terms of their approaches to their crime. So while they're both one and dones, they're different kinds of killer. Yeah, they were obviously both male. They were both 24 years old, so they were fairly young when they committed the crimes, but after that, the similarities get sparse. Rowe seems to have stalked Christy Murray beforehand. Possibly starting as a peeping Tom to driving past her place during his commute and it didn't seem like he was at all prepared to actually do something because he didn't bring any weapons. But Talbot actually picked his victims at random and he also had a plan how to pull off his crime and get away with it. He was organized, whereas Raymond roe at the crime scene was not. What's even more crazy is that after they committed these crimes, how they decided to sort of hide, Raymond roe hidden plain sight, he became like a well-known DJ who was out in the open and attracting as much attention as possible, but Talbot laid low. He really just stayed under the radar indefinitely. So it's not really just how they commit the crimes, but also how they hide. So they're wildly different, but yet still one and dones. Yeah, 'cause they both committed similar sexual homicides and the real kicker is that the whole reason we decided to investigate these cases is that as far as anybody knows, they only killed once. Right, and here's what we know. We know they both got away with it for decades. And without genetic genealogy, they would have gotten away with it forever. And that's what we're talking about here. Genetic genealogy is identifying this different kind of killer, this newer type of killer that has never really been on the books before. Nobody can really process that and they're really scary part is it's identifying more of them than anyone expected. Everybody expected all of these serial killers, but we're seeing a lot of these potential one and dones. Right, these guys are freaking everywhere. The.
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"william talbot" Discussed on KOMO
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