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Bernard Baran Pt. 2: Free Baran

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Bernard Baran Pt. 2: Free Baran

"Due to the graphic nature of this investigation and trial listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of child sexual assault that some people may find offensive and maybe upsetting for some listeners we advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen. If you are aware of a child who is being abused or neglected you can report this to the National Child Abuse Hotline reachable at one eight hundred four eight child which is one eight hundred four two two four four five three you can also visit child welfare dot Gov for state by state resources for reporting child abuse or neglect in the fall of nineteen eighty four a shocking story rippled through the working class town of Pittsfield Massachusetts Bernie Baran a nineteen year old teacher's aide was accused of sexually abusing a three year old boy in the following day's five more children at the Early Childhood Development Center came forward with similar claims of Abuse Bernie was arrested and charged with six counts of indecent assault and six counts of rape rape. The entire case rested on the statements of the six children all between the ages of three and five years old but their stories were inconsistent changing from interview to interview at times they flat out denied the abuse took place. It made prosecutor Dan Ford hesitant to move forward with a trial shortly after Bernie's arrest Ford offered him a plea bargain. If he confessed to the abuse he would spend only five years in prison. If they proceeded to court Ford Promised Bernie he would spend the rest of his life behind bars but Bernie refused he would not admit to something he didn't do instead of taking the deal he put his trust in the system and his future in the hands of the jury. How should we determine a person's guilt? Do we defer to the evidence discovered by police or the verdict reached by a jury and what happens when the evidence and the verdict don't line up hi I'm Vanessa Richardson and this is not guilty apar- cast original each week we look at complicated criminal cases that test the limits of innocent until proven guilty today. We're continuing our discussion of the Bernie Baran Daycare Abuse case last week we discussed the nationwide panic over daycare abuse and how those fears came home to roost at the Early Childhood Development Center enter or E._C._d._C. in Pittsfield Massachusetts we covered the police investigation into the accusations against Bernie Baran and why he was eventually arrested this week will follow the criminal trial and see how the evidence against Bernie was presented to the jury will also discuss new evidence and new scientific understanding that put the entire case into question at podcast. We're grateful for you our our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us to leave a five star our review wherever you're listening it really does help us. We also now have merchandise head to podcast dot com slash merch for more information in order to protect the victims privacy in this case case various pseudonyms were used in police investigations and in court for these episodes we will also be using the pseudonyms for the victims and their parents most commonly used in court documents this includes Peter and Julie Hanes Judith and Gina Smith Stephen and Richard Thompson Leeann and Anne Bailey Virginia stone and John Larson nineteen year old Bernie Baran spent spent Thanksgiving and Christmas of Nineteen eighty-four in jail waiting for his trial to begin his working class family was unable to post his fifteen thousand dollars bail but did manage to scrape together enough if money to hire defense attorney Leonard Conway but before this case could go in front of a jury presiding judge William Simon's had to determine if the six accusing children were competent to testify the youngest child was barely three years old and the oldest was five Simon's wanted to be certain that they were all capable of understanding the difference between lying and telling the Truth Judge Simon's brought the children one by one to his chambers. Three of the six children demonstrated that they clearly knew the truth from a lie but four year old Peter Hains did not cooperate. Peter Peter was the first child to accuse Bernie of abuse and was known at E. C. D. C. as a handful as soon as Peter Entered Judge Simon's chambers he refused to sit down instead he played with the blinds asked the judge about his pipe and climbed on the furniture. Though judge Simon's tried repeatedly he could not get Peter to answer any questions directly the youngest accuser three year old Anne Brown answered the judge's questions but struggled to demonstrate an understanding of truthfulness. She said it's both good to tell the truth and also good to not tell the truth when Judge Simon's asked Gina Smith another three-year-old if it was a good thing or a bad thing to tell the truth she ignored the question and replied instead Bernie touched me while expressing some reservations about Anne and Peter's competency tendency judge Simon's did eventually declare all six children fit to testify the trial would move forward as scheduled on January twenty third nineteen eighty five in the days leading up to the trial Bernie Baran tried to push away the doubts he had about his defense lawyer Leonard Conway over the last three months Bernie had trouble getting in touch with his lawyer calls from the jail had to be made collect but conway refused to accept the charges he only visited Bernie twice at the jail and only talk to him on the phone. One or two times Bernie had never worked with an an attorney before he wondered if this was normal but he couldn't imagine how his lawyer was preparing for trial without talking to him in addition. When Conway requested to see the video taped police interviews of Bernie's accusers he was only given to tapes and both were edited? One tape showed pieces of Peter Hains interview and the other was the compilation of clips shown to the grand jury though Peter and the other children had all. Paul repeatedly denied Bernie abused them. These statements were cut from both tapes. Conway didn't even notice that the interviews had been edited Bernie pointed it out to the lawyer the day before the trial even after after learning this conway didn't ask to review the full tapes it also appeared conway didn't do much to prepare. He didn't interview anyone on the Prosecution's witness list before the trial and his own witness list was sparse prepared or not. The trial began on January twenty third nineteen eighty five in his opening statement A._D._A.. Dan Ford prepared the jury to hear the truth straight straight from the children. He explained how each child came forward. One at a time to independently report their abuse with the support of expert testimony the state would make it clear that Bernie Baran molested at these children they would argue he had all the opportunity he needed when he was left alone with the children during the School Day Defense Attorney Leonard Conway warned the jurors in his opening statement. The accusations were nothing more than the result of prejudice and Hysteria Conway said that the evidence would show that Bernie simply did not have the opportunity to abuse these children at E. C. D. C. he stressed to the jury. The Bernie Baran was not guilty but A._D._A.. Ford didn't agree with Conway's assessment. That Bernie never had the chance to be alone with the children. He called several E. C. D. C. teachers is to the stand. They explained that they left Bernie alone in the classroom when they had to go to meetings or needed to get something from the office he did have the opportunity to abuse the kids while the other adults were out of the room however on Cross examination they all conceded that he was generally not alone with the children for more than a few minutes at a time they also never saw anything in Bernie's behavior with the kids that they thought was is questionable but conway continued to show signs that he wasn't up to the task of Bernie's defense when Jane trumpy the Director of E. C. D. C. described Bernie's duties at the school and which children he instructed Conway missed a huge opportunity. One of the accusers was never assigned to Bernie's classroom and they had no interaction with each other at all but in the jumble of names dates and classroom room numbers the defense failed to point this discrepancy out to the jury after the adults the children were called to testify the entire case rested on what they would or would not say day in front of the jury judge Simon's decided that the children would testify while seated on the floor rather than in the witness box so that they would not have to see Bernie while they spoke he also cleared the courtroom of all all spectators so when Peter hains walked into testify one of the few faces he recognized was Bernie's. He ran over to the defense table and said hello as A._D._A.. Ford quickly I pulled Peter Away the four year old spat curse words Ford Manage to settle Peter on the floor in front of the prosecution table but he proved to be predictably uncooperative. Peter refused to answer most questions when he did answer he was contrary. He denied the abuse and then he denied knowing who Bernie was in spite of just having greeted him by name a few minutes before eventually Peter was dismissed then three year old Gina Smith took the stand wearing a church dress and ribbons in her hair her accusations of abuse had grown more and more elaborate elaborate since the initial disclosure in October of Nineteen eighty-four she had since told her therapist that Bernie raped her with scissors causing her to bleed then to cover up the source of the Blood Bernie stabbed her in the foot however E. C. D. C. couldn't find an injury report to verify this claim and when A._D._A.. Ford tried to lead Gina through her retelling of the incident with the scissors she. I said she forgot what happened. Eventually Ford was able to coach Gina through her memory and she echoed what she said to her therapist. She described a traumatic rape with a pair of scissors and the jurors were brought to tears. After Gina four year old. Richard Thompson was called to testify like Gina and Peter. He sat on the floor the first few times A._D._A.. Ford asked him to describe the abuse Richard denied it he said Bernie didn't touch him but when Ford gave him an anatomically correct doll and asked again Richard pointed to the dolls genital area throughout his testimony every time Ford asked him McBurney did something Richard said no the first time and then yes the second not only did Leonard Conway failed to object to these inconsistencies but he also left other major stones unturned turned Richard accused Bernie of touching him while they were in the woods however there were no woods surrounding E. C. D. C. Richard also alleged that Bernie abused him while playing hide and seek in a storage shed shed near the playground but the shed was locked at all times and Bernie didn't have a key instead of focusing on these details Conway asked Richard More general questions about truthfulness. Perhaps trying to keep things as simple as possible for the young boy. He asked the stories Richard told his parents the police and A._D._A.. Ford were real or made up the four-year-old replied fake fake stories coming up the testimony of the young accusers continues you've heard of haunted houses haunted cemeteries and haunted islands but what do you know how a normal place can become a paranormal minefield every week. The podcast original haunted places takes you on an audio tour of a different spooky landmark. You'll explore the mysterious legends weird histories stories and tales of the supernatural that turned previously normal places into resting grounds for lingering spirits and paranormal activity. 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Just open the spotify APP TAP browse and type not guilty in the search bar or you can head to spotify dot com slash podcasts and search not guilty and be sure to follow not guilty and all your favorite podcast shows so you can get new episodes in your library the moment they're available then you can be entertained while you're driving working <music> out or compiling evidence. Get everything you want to listen to all from one APP go to spotify dot com slash podcasts and search not guilty to satisfy your podcast streaming needs for free or tap search in the APP and type not guilty in the search bar now back to the story in January of nineteen eighty five nineteen year old Bernie Baran stood trial for the alleged assault fault and abuse of six preschool children however when the young witnesses took the stand their testimony was inconsistent and some of the details they mentioned weren't true for example four a year old. John Larson testified that Bernie led him deep into the woods went afternoon. He said they walked very far in the snow however John was only in Bernie's classroom for two months during the summer not not when there was snow on the ground defense attorney Leonard Conway failed to attack these specific points but he did ask John About his truthfulness. John said he sometimes made up stories after the Children A._D._A.. Ford called pathologist Dr Jeffrey Ross to testify about four year old. Peter Keynes's positive gonorrhea test to Ford Peter could only have tested positive for an S. T. D. if he'd been sexually abused yet in his very descriptions of abuse Peter Never mentioned oral rape in addition Bernie tested negative for gonorrhea but Dr Ross explained on the stand that someone can test negative as soon as twenty four hours after treatment for gonorrhea. Even though Bernie's medical records did not show he had been treated he could have seen someone other than his as regular doctor. Penicillin was the usual treatment at the time Ross even suggested that Bernie could've used someone else's leftover medication and to punctuate the link between Bernie and the S. T._d.. Dr Ross testified testified that gonorrhea occurs more often in quote prostitutes and male homosexuals Bernie's mothers sat in the gallery listening to Dr Ross's testimony frustrated she. I couldn't speak up even if gay men had gonorrhea more often. She knew it was impossible. That Bernie was treated for the disease quickly or easily because he was allergic to penicillin but evidence of Bernie's allergy was is never entered into the record after Dr Ross A._D._a.. Ford brought Psychotherapist Jane Sedillo from the Rape Crisis Center to the stand she personally interviewed the children after the first first accusations were made and testified about their veracity but her testimony was contradictory. I she listed some signs of sexual abuse in children such as touching their own genitals wetting the bed head and acting out but on cross examination she conceded that many of those behaviors are also seen in non abused children SA- too low also testified that if a child repeats the same details in each retelling telling the story of abuse must be true but on Cross Examination Conway pointed out the inconsistencies these children were not repeating the same details over and over again but let's see too low brushed it off the added details were part of the process of disclosure as the child opened up they felt more comfortable and gave more information. She assured the jury that there had never been any cases of young young children making false accusations in truth studies have consistently shown that children do occasionally make false accusations oftentimes prompted by leading and suggestive questioning tactics finally A._d._A.. Ford brought three-year-old Gina Smith Psychiatrist to the stand she recounted genus confession about Bernie assaulting her with a pair of scissors. Gina told her how Bernie Ernie quote scraped the blood out of her to punctuate her testimony for next brought Dr Jean sheely to the stand Dr sheely had physically examined three of the children including Gina in her exam. Dr Sheeley found notches in Genus hyman leading her to believe that Gina had been raped possibly by an object Bernie later recalled that while one doctor was testifying conway slid a notebook notebook over to him and whispered. I can't think of any questions right down any you think of after Dr Sheila's Statements A._D._A.. Ford rested his case but before Leonard Conway presented ascended his Defense Judge Simon's adjusted the charges against Bernie he dismissed the charges in relation to Peter Hains. Even though he was Bernie's first accuser he had not testified that anything had happened happened. Simon's also throughout the rape charge brought by John Larson a rape conviction requires penetration to have occurred and John said nothing on the stand to support this after dismissing the charges related to Peter her Judge Simon's instructed the jury to disregard all the testimony that related to him this included the disturbing information that he contracted gonorrhea of the throat but as the saying goes you can't hand on ring a bell because of this most defense attorneys would have asked for a mistrial arguing that it was impossible for the jury to simply forget. They heard this evidence. However Conway made no such which motion for the Third Time A._D._A.? Dan Ford presented Bernie with the same five year plea deal however he added the provisions that he could serve his time in county jail rather than in state prison <hes> but Bernie again refused. He felt confident in his case especially now that Peter's charges were dismissed but the next morning as defense attorney Leonard Conway prepared to start his Defense Bernie saw the list of witnesses he intended to call it concerned him that there were no experts on the list no one who would call into question the reliability of the children's changing and inconsistent. Stories but conway told Bernie not to worry about it. I on the stand for the defense was Richard Herman the Custodian at E. C. D. C. and the schools only other male employees he he testified that the shed were some of the abuse allegedly occurred was always locked in fact the only person who did have access to the shed was Richard in his questioning without directly accusing Richard Conway strongly strongly implied that the custodian might have been the person to abuse the children Bernie's close friend Dali Haywood also testified conway didn't include her on his original witness list but Bernie insisted that he had her she was the closest thing he had to an alibi witness. Many of the accusations against Bernie occurred at nap time but that was when Bernie took his lunch break and he always spent his is lunch break at Dolly's house near E C D C. They ate lunch together and watched the soap opera days of our lives despite A._D._A.. Ford's objections Dolly was allowed to testify to such conway then called Bernie's sister Sharon to the stand Bernie often babysat her three young children. She told the jury that she trusted Bernie and didn't believe that he would hurt them or any other child. She testified testified that after Bernie's arrest the Department of Social Services had also investigated the possibility that Bernie had abused her children but before Sharon could tell the jury the results of the Investigation A._D._A.. Ford objected objected classifying the testimony as irrelevant the D._S._S. found no signs of abuse yet conway did not try any other way to include this information in Bernie's defense but Bernie's his best advocate was perhaps himself. He took the stand wearing the same navy blue suit he had worn every day of the trial Bernie calmly denied the accusations against him and explained his schedule Joie de C._D._C.. He simply never had the opportunity to be alone with any of the children but Ford's cross examination of Bernie was relentless he through each individual accusation at him but as Ford attempted attempted to rile him up Gurney remained even tempered and continued to deny any and all abuse Ford pivoted and asked Bernie questions about his relationship with his boyfriend then he pointedly asked if Bernie enjoyed working with children Ford was leaning on the bigoted idea that a gay man who wanted to work with children must be a pedophile Bernie refused to rise to this bait and answered Ford's questions with short answers he asked Bernie if he'd ever been treated for a sexually transmitted disease. This line of questioning was irrelevant now that Peter Hains charges had been dropped but Leonard Conway didn't object instead instead Bernie admitted he was treated for a sexually transmitted disease a few years previously what he didn't know it was gonorrhea after Bernie testified the defense rested in his closing statement and Conway repeated much of what he'd already said this was a case of prejudice against Bernie and then hysteria on the part of the other parents in contrast Ford's closing statement was described by the media as theatrical. He told the jury that he could say nothing that would be more convincing than the testimony of the children and if some of the details of their stories had changed over time it was only because the children had had been too scared to confess everything at first then he walked the jury through the children's testimony well the parts of the testimony that implicated Bernie because the charges related to Peter were dismissed Ford Award should not have mentioned Peter at all but he brought up Peter's gonorrhea test again saying that Bernie had time to treat it prior to being tested and that Gurney was at a higher risk of gonorrhea due to his quote lifestyle Ford told the jury that Bernie Baran was quote like a Chocoholic in a candy store and indeed for him perpetrating. These despicable acts was like taking candy from a baby after three and a half hours of deliberations the jury returned with their verdict Bernie looked straight ahead with his hands folded when it was red on five live counts of indecent assault and battery and three counts of non forcible rape of child he was found guilty. The only charge he was found not guilty of was the rape relating to to Anne Brown he was led from the courtroom in handcuffs stoic when his mother went to the holding room to see him immediately afterward his resolve had left him he began shaking at sentencing on January thirty first nineteen eighty five eighty eight. Dan Ford asked the judge to give Bernie Baran two consecutive life sentences making him ineligible for parole for Thirty Years Bernie then nineteen would be nearly fifty before he could get out of prison. Judge Simon's allowed the parents of two of the accusers to give impact statements. They spoke talk about the long term impact of the assaults on their children. Their words were thick with grief and it was clear that they truly believed in Bernie's guilt but one parent who was not convinced was Melinda Ward <unk> Her son attended e C D C and was in Bernie's classroom she told Judge Simon's how Bernie had taken her son under his wing when he arrived at the school nonverbal and struggling to connect with other children she said she saw changes in her son. Thanks to Bernie's intervention Bernie who sat through all of the trial and sentencing hearing without showing any emotion began to cry as Melinda said he was not the monster he was being made out to be. She called him a miracle worker. Coming up judge Simon's hands down Bernie's sentence now back to the story in January of nineteen eighty five nineteen year old Bernie Baran faced life in prison after his conviction on eight charges related to the sexual abuse of Children Bernie's attorney Leonard Conway Conway pled for a more lenient sentence and for Bernie to be sent to county jail rather than State Prison Judge William Simon's took the arguments of both sides into consideration then he sentenced Bernie to the maximum even more time than A._D._A.. Ford had recommended three life sentences and five eight to ten year sentences all to run concurrently Bernie would. To be eligible for parole in fifteen years but he would have to spend that time in a maximum security prison Bernie nineteen years old and weighing roughly one hundred pounds was sent to Walpole state prison one of the most dangerous prisons in the United States at the time prisoners who were convicted of serious offenses against children are often put in protective custody. They're at a greater risk of retribution attacks both physical and sexual from other inmates instead Bernie was released into the general population. His attorney told the media that Bernie's life sentence would likely be a short one due to the violence he knew would occur within four days at Walpole Bernie was sexually and physically assaulted his mother and stepfather desperate to get him out of there used used every dime they had to hire an attorney for Bernie's direct appeal. This appeal was denied in March of nineteen eighty six on the Supreme Judicial Court refused to hear further arguments short of discovering covering new evidence Bernie would not have another chance at freedom until he was eligible for parole but he would only be released if he admitted his guilt and accepted responsibility for the crimes he was convicted of twenty two year old Bernie having lost all hope attempted suicide in March of nineteen eighty eight after a particularly brutal attack by another inmate after he recovered physically from his attempt he was sent to Bridgewater Treatment Center to be evaluated. Bridgewater was where inmates deemed as sexually dangerous were housed ironically Bernie was safer at bridgewater than he had ever been at Walpole because all of the inmates there had been convicted of serious sexual offenses the prison hierarchy that made him an easy target at Walpole did not apply at Bridgewater Bernie wanted to stay there but to do so he needed to be open to treatment in his first interview Bernie stubbornly insisted on his innocence and refused to say he was a pedophile. Even if it meant going back to Walpole two weeks later another other doctor wrote in a report that Bernie confessed his guilt to him and said he was ready to comply with Treatment Bernie denied he ever said this while detractors would point to this report as evidence of Bernie's guilt it allowed <unk> out him to stay at bridgewater likely saving his life while it looked like Bernie's legal process was over. It was just beginning for E.. C. D. C. in May of nineteen eighty five Marsha stone mother of accuser. Virginia stone filed a civil suit against E. C. D. C. for seven hundred fifty thousand dollars claiming they were negligent for hiring Bernie two months later <unk> her friend Julie Haines. The mother of the first accuser filed a suit for three point two million dollars on the same grounds. The two cases were eventually joined together like most businesses E. C.. C._D._C. was insured against lawsuits and the insurance company put their top lawyers to work to fight this what the lawyers uncovered put the entire case against Bernie into question. The first major bombshell was a department of Social Services report from October of nineteen eighty five just nine months after Bernie's conviction it stated that shortly after the trial five year old Virginia told alter therapist that Bernie never actually molested her. She said her mother told her that she needed to say he did so that they could get money and toys while this recantation was reported to the Department of social services as Bernie's appellate attorneys were never told in addition. Bernie wasn't the only person that Virginia accused of assaulting her she also made allegations against her mother's boyfriend but this wasn't included in the transcript of her interview with police he C._D._C.'s lawyers also discovered that Virginia wasn't the only child to make multiple accusations shortly before Bernie's trial. Peter Haines told his foster mother that one of his mother's boyfriends had sexually abused him though a report supporting the validity of these accusations was filed before the trial and should have been sent to the D._A.. Immediately social services waited did until after Bernie's trial to send the report and again this was never given to anyone on Bernie's appeal team in the summer of nineteen eighty eight both Julie and David Haines. These were deposed in preparation for the lawsuit against E. C. D. C. in the interview. They both admitted to prejudice against gay. Men and David admitted he was no longer sure. Bernie was guilty while waiting leading for the civil case to go to trial Virginia stones mother died. Her attorneys ended up settling with E.. C. D. C. for small some instead of moving forward with the proceedings Julie Hanes however took her her case all the way to trial on April Fifth Nineteen Ninety Five Peter and Juliet Hanes both testified but E._C._d._C.'s lawyers destroyed Julie's credibility and she agreed to was settlement the next day while the exact amount has not been reported. It was far far below the millions she was seeking Jocelyn said Ne- An attorney for E._C._D._C.'s sees insurance company investigated Bernie's case in preparation for the civil trial for years the more she uncovered the more she realized that an innocent man had been sent to prison but she wasn't a criminal attorney money so she wasn't the best person to advocate for Bernie instead. She looked for someone to take on Bernie's case with the new evidence she had uncovered knowing that this would be Bernie's last shot at exoneration. She needed to make make sure she found the right person. In nineteen ninety nine fourteen years after Bernie's conviction Jocelyn connected with a man named Bob should tell who had already advocated for Bernie's innocence percents for the last two years Bob connected her with John Swomley a talented criminal defense attorney with the information uncovered during the civil trial in hand the fight to get Bernie Baron out of prison began again in earnest Bernie's legal team hit roadblocks almost immediately the original defense case file was gone Bernie's trial attorney Leonard Conway had turned the entire thing over or to the appellate attorney once the appeal was denied. They destroyed the file. John Swomley started from scratch requesting various items from the Berkshire County District Attorney including the video interviews. News of the children in October of two thousand one a judge ordered that the materials be turned over but the District Attorney's office claimed they couldn't find the original tapes they continued to claim ignorance until finally in June of two thousand. Four swomley filed a lawsuit against the D._A.. Asking the courts to compel the office to turn over the requested materials three weeks later after three three years of claiming the materials were missing the D._A.. Called swomley he had just found several of the videotapes mismarked in a box that contained videos from D._U._i.. Stops swomley saw the video tapes as his smoking gun. All the children's spent the majority of their interviews denying any abuse happened they only made accusations against Bernie after multiple multiple prompts and suggestions from the adults questioning them some of the children even accused other people of abusing them before they named Bernie swomley called in Dr Maggie Bruck an expert on the reliability the of child testimony to view the complete tapes in her affidavit. She stated that the tapes showed inappropriate interviewing techniques. The interviewers were so suggestive that they tainted any future information. The children could testify to Bernie's legal team learned that it wasn't just the method of questioning that had been debunked much of the physical evidence from the case had also been proven inaccurate in the years after Bernie's conviction the throat culture used on Peter Hains to test for gonorrhea had a high false positive rate in children due to different bacteria that children often carried the tiny notches and Gina Smith Simon believed to be caused <unk> by penetration were found in a significant percentage of children who had not been raped and are considered a normal variation not only did it look like Bernie did not abuse any of these children but his legal team also also came to believe that most of the children hadn't been molested by anyone at all instead they simply parroted back the suggestions of abuse provided by the adults around them. Unfortunately this new science wasn't much help in the motion for a new trial in a similar daycare abuse case in Massachusetts. The Appellate Court made a controversial ruling stating that new new science was not always relevant in appeals due to the communities need for finality. The court was essentially saying that cases couldn't be brought back to the appellate court every time scientific understanding changed changed Bernie's appeal team also alleged prosecutorial misconduct against A._D._A.. Dan Ford for withholding the complete videotapes but a few years after Bernie was convicted prosecutor shooter Ford became a Judge Bernie's lawyers knew that no judge would be eager to call out a colleague an official ruling so appealing on those grounds was unlikely so instead they focused on the ineffective assistance of counsel claim based on the many errors Leonard Conway made in his defense and it worked in June of two thousand six over two decades after his conviction Bernie Barron was granted a new trial now that Bernie's conviction had been thrown out he was eligible for bail. It was set at fifty thousand dollars ears and on June thirtieth two thousand six forty one year old Bernie calmly walked out of the jailhouse with his mother by his side when his friends family and supporters began to Cheer Bernie Arne couldn't hold back the tears for the first time in twenty one years he was not behind bars but Bernie wasn't completely free in addition to the conditions of his bond. The the fear of going back to prison still hung over him. The District Attorney told the media that he would appeal the ruling for a new trial and if necessary he would take Bernie back to court but when the appellate court upheld the order for a new trial in May of two thousand nine the D._A.. Announced he would not seek a new trial after all. He said that he believed Bernie Baran was guilty but after for so many years the memories of the victims had faded he worried about the damage of bringing them back up for those who had healed from the trauma the charges against Bernie were dropped Bernie Baran Erin was now finally and truly a free man Bernie's story is only one in a litany of false daycare abuse claims during the hysteria of the nineteen eighty s and early nineteen nineties but he was the first one to be successfully prosecuted and he was one of the last ones to prove his innocence and Walk Free Bernie stayed in Massachusetts but never lived in Berkshire County again on September first two thousand fourteen forty nine year old Bernie suffered a fatal brain aneurysm at the home he shared with his partner and died before four paramedics could arrive. Bob should tell one of Bernie's I advocates continues to maintain a website dedicated to Bernie's fight to prove his innocence. It can be found at free baron dot org at the site. Bob writes quote. It's frightening to realize that we live in a society where such terrible things can happen to a decent and gentle person such as Bernard Baron but would be even more terrible would be to live in such a society where few were willing to try to help lead Bernard barons legacy be kinder and more just world. Thanks for listening to not guilty. We'll be back Thursday with a new case to explore you can find more episodes of not guilty as well as all of Parkas other shows on spotify or your favorite podcast directory. Several of you have asked how to help us. 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#288 - Best Idea Show - Doug Pugliese, Alpha Architect - Why Not Elect A 1042 Sale And Control When You Pay Those Taxes?

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Best idea employee stock ownership plans otherwise known as e sops there a niece but incredibly attractive way for a business owner to sell their business for both themselves and the long term viability of the company. We started the episode of the basics and then dive into the inner workings of an e. Stop sale our guest. Explains how the tax benefits of a ten forty two election allow the owner to defer capital gains tax and even invest the proceeds into a portfolio blue chip stocks. We hear how different companies have utilized this including one of my favorite breweries as we wind down our guest explains why each apps may be an ideal way for middle market private equity companies to exit investments. Please enjoy this special. Best ideas episode with alpha architects. Doug welcome to the show. Appreciate chesapeake here. Where in the world do we find you just outside philadelphia. The main line a win. Would i see the giant Architect logo in the background listeners. On the podcast. That are watching this on youtube. However you connected with a crazy crew. Oh it's been a long while a long enjoyable ride refers connected back in two thousand twelve. I think when i met west generated this background just for you actually Good and your media. Reaction wasn't runaway. This is a crazy man. I knew it was a crazy man key working with the crazy man. Deriding a tiger is to figure out on his back. It took a little while for us to work together but eventually today is going to be a fun and wonky topic in for probably the first time in about three hundred episodes. I did almost no preparation for this podcast. And the reason being is that i wanted to understand it straight from your mouth and because it's a pretty different topic that i've actually never heard covered on a podcast. I thought we would try to start at the one on one level before we go full. Phd so in our threat of best ideas. What's the topic we're talking about today. Talking about how business owners can exit their companies by four meeting. Employees stop ownership plans and selling their stock to the employee stock ownership plan essentially the employee's and creating a win win situation both the community the employees and sells by capitalism advantages in the tax code that recruited for this gives us the overview. You're gonna start with what's the history do people say aesop's that a acronym that people actually use yes indeed Sops when did you get introduced each apps. What are they the history. Let's start at the very beginning and let's start at. The elementary school level will go up from their employee. Stock plan is a pretty simple. Concept was like a 401k plan. I first became familiar with them. When i had among my managerial responsibilities prior employer the job of overseeing our business advising in the formation of e such this wasn't alpha architecture was the prior firm and i observed firsthand. There was this whole universe of companies particularly practice companies kind of ten million dollar value. Two hundred million dollar value range. That was for me. Stops and businesses were reselling their companies to those use before and they were our clients in seemed to be pretty interesting ways for businesses to exit. Certainly they were companies that had strong cultures. positive vibe. Going on in the employees all seem pretty happy on. My interest was piqued. I didn't pay a whole lot of attention as it was when we one of my collateral duties but at the time that was back in two thousand nine timeframe but i've become obviously involved in the network in the space now full time and so i've taken an appreciation to for east ops and how they harvest wonderful tool there are about seven or eight thousand companies seven today that have taken advantage of employee. Stock ownership plans informed them in an exists in this country. They're employing at least ten million employees if not more crossing states so give me the broad overview. Let's say we gotta company favorite enterprises will do a riff on bruce wayne favor enterprises. Let's say i think it's worth fifty million bucks. Do one hundred million just to round numbers is the main just this that the owner wants out or the owners. You can explain it to me. And then i assume that the business has to continue. You're essentially selling the comedy how i mean. The to one level description. Typical companies manufacturing company. Also there are professional services. Companies insurance financials a wide range of companies for me sops happens the business owner typically at a certain stage life contemplates exit opportunities and among them hand to be the big three. I sell to a fire or like a strategic trade partner that i know in the industry sell to financial sponsor private when he firm another terms or i felt my employees now sunday. Your employees is not a typical option. At least not one is typically presented by the usual emanate adviser investment banker. It's typically something that is in the margins in the wings and only emerges win any. Stop someone who's familiar with you. Subsequently advisory team raises the question. But it's a pretty exciting opportunity. So business owner will examine the opportunities for exiting via any of these three choices and on a deeper inspection might learn that the culture nissan creates is better for the firm might learn that his or her after tax proceeds are more attractive. Or any number of hoax. That draw. business. Owners indies ops. But i enlarged there away for a business owner to ensure his legacy with the firm do-gooders employees who helped him build the firm. That tends to be the usual initial draw. And the more you learn about he stops on you. Kind of get hooked. They're very interesting as over more about them. And i think that's what we'll do draws. This is a regime. I see some challenges and some problems and benefit. What's the big benefit to the owner of. You sell it to p you merge you sell to another company you get the cash money you to pay big tax bill. Right does ease sop somewhat. Avoid that or is it improve upon that it does. I used to be an adviser prior life. I was investment banker for a dozen years at bear stearns before with the financial crisis in got taken over he's ups were never talked about when we gave advice to business owners or boards or or ceo's contemplating selling your businesses probably because there was no payday in typically for the banker but there are really attractive advantages for private companies not so much political support for private companies contemplating a sale. There are a whole slew of advantages both to the company in terms of taxability as an entity and also in terms of the proceeds to the business in her business center who sells more than thirty percents of his stock can in some instances deferred the capital gains tax on the sale of shares so favored industries. You might find that. Not only in addition to some business to your employees in their by making them on our operators that there is an attraction to being able to defer the capital gains taxes on the sale. And you can do that through. And he stopped with a little bit of structure and how long is the traditional deferment for taxes indefinitely and in fact one of the important strategies that makes these so attractive is the ability to defer your capital gains taxes through the date of your demise. And they're bypassing your wealth along from this sale capital gains tax rate with a step up in basis. I'm using being questioned on the biden. Agenda has chaser so a obvious question is if you got a hundred million dollar company. Muslim boys don't have fifty million sitting around. Is it the company buying it. Are you taking on debt. Is it some sort of offering how that actually progress win. You sell your business to. And he saw is employee stock ownership plan. That you've set up your essentially settling along the same lines. As sunday to a financial sponsor in that. The ability of the company to raise borrowings raise debt into capital markets will determine how much of the sale price you take away in cash proceeds versus. How much you might have to take away in summer note. And i owe you from the company. That's seller financing that's the leverage the potentially if you sell all their stock but if you sell a stake let's say the south forty percent meth. You can do that in. Typically the company has the ability to borrow from its banks at a senior level adequately to provide you with the bulk of that zale stake proceeds in cash. So you're effectively carrying out a financial sponsor by ad the company based upon the way you're borrowing and using the company's own borrowing capability to do the financing for you and so what we find is that companies will either undergo a one hundred percent sales. That's a typical structure or partial sales. Where the business center eases his way or her way out of the company gradually over time in stakes like that. But by crossing thirty percent threshold in other words if the saw trust has thirty percent or more of your stock or your shareholders stock after the transaction you qualify in addition to a couple of hurls you have to cross you. Qualify for the capital gains tax for. And how does the ownership change the isa acronym implies that there is an employee aspect. This are the employees somehow. Getting percentage stake as it flow through is the actual structure. Look like it's interesting. The employees don't actually own the stock in the company. What they own or entitled to is an economic stake in stock in the company. The employees is a participant in a plan with a trust. That's what the employee stock ownership plan is built around a trust and that trust owns stock in the trustee controls those shares. Now the trustee will vote in the best interest of the shareholders those employees participants. But it doesn't act in a manner that is inconsistent with the best strategy for the company as well so you will often find for example in terms of strategic opportunities that the trustee will typically align itself with the best interest of the company and not necessarily in the short-term interests of employees. It will always act in the best long-term interests of employees. You might find that. The trustee for example will agree to strategic transactions to acquire or potentially the best masters of business in the beverages in the firm of any case studies. That you can kinda just give us a example of one of my favorite beers as a native colorado guy was fat tire back in the day. My preference leans a little more hoppy pills nerve but that old school fat tire used to love. Didn't they do a big you. Stop at some point. If you're not familiar would love to hear any general examples of companies that have been through the process. Breweries are interesting because they tend to have a pretty cool centric vibe and while. I'm not familiar with fat tire per se or maybe i do recall going through that process and you know the number of viewers have gone through it. You stop formation process our employees for example there's colorado-based recalled new belgium. That's the owner of fat tire. New belgium there you go as talking about the beer and now the company actually have a funny story. Once i was in san francisco at a classic irish slash indian restaurant bar listeners. If you are familiar with the bar in north beach. I hope it's still there. Kennedy's i believe his name. Anyway i remember chatting with a girl says I have one of my favorite beers a belgian beer and she brought over fat tire. And i said well you know that's actually from colorado and she says what are you talking about. See it says new belgium right here. And i just let it lie as it okay. This is delicious. thank you anyway. New belgium parent company but keep gone so new. Belgium is indeed and isaq company. And i think that's very common process for comedy you trust you start directing share profits into the trust and start pre-funding that stock purchase over time and then at a certain time. The owner sells shares. There's all cash in the trust available to buy shares and. That's how long these ops get going in other words they don't need to borrow those unleveraged. He stops where over time share. The profits are peeled off and are used to fund. The trust advise the stocks from the owner that is successfully reason. So why are we talking about today. This is something that seems a little abstract and interesting but for a lot of people who are listening would love to hear how. You partnered up with the crazies in pennsylvania. Because it's actually something that you guys built out as a offering is that right correct and that's a great question. Why the hell are we talking about it. And i guess the answer is to go back to favor industries. Would if you could sell your business that you've owned and managed nurtured privately over many years. What arguably from third parties perspective is fairly risky acid from wealth creation perspective if you could sell that capital gains tax free and roll the proceeds into a diversified portfolio. Us companies. That would be a pretty attractive way to exit a business and if you could do that evaluation level that was competitive with evaluations that you see now in the markets the capital markets. Why that would be really kind of an exciting way to go. And so what we've done at alpha architect is. We've developed a way to do that. That breaks with three five years tradition and goes new route. Essentially plowing that wealth in to diversify you large-cap stocks is that a requirement of this concept. That you somehow have to invest in other companies for the tax for or. Is that something you guys offer as a benefit. What's that sorta tangent. So that's called the ten forty two meaning that under section ten forty two of the irs code there was a provision that congress put in place when e sops were still fairly young. This is back in. The eighties is up for initially started in the seventies legislation from senator. Kelsey dan louisiana but anyways in the eighty s and a new way in the east saw options was created by section ten forty to sail election a business owner could elect ten to sail had of the ac- corporation that was forming the issad s corporations can convert prior to the transaction to create that benefit. If you are a c. corporation in business under alexa penalty to sail the business enroll his or her proceeds into portfolio of operating companies stocks or bonds that is a requirement of section ten forty two and the traditional qualified replacement property. Which is the definition. The term used to define what you can roll your proceeds into or by rollover like one role of the section defines those stocks or bonds as being the of operating companies domestic operating companies now traditionally there was an interesting bond created that allowed investors to buy qualified replacement property satisfying that criterion. That is a very low yielding floating rate note. And i can get into the details around it and what we've done is we've created an alternative to that. That is more flexible. We believe that allows one to buy a growth portfolio as opposed to buying on par. This is under a minute part so anytime you hear. Accountants and cpa is talking about blazing new pass. Imagine people get a little nervous. What is the reasoning behind. And maybe they do. You mentioned kind of white bear and others weren't going down this path but if this is something that there's nothing that entrepreneurs and business owners like more than avoiding taxes particularly big taxes of something like the sale of a business. Is this something. The banks are offering. Is it something where you guys are. Like the only ones out there. Cutting give me an overview of the actual setup how it works and what the status of the rest of the competitors. There's a lot of risk around choosing portfolio of securities because it requires judgments been made about selecting securities that cannot be one hundred percent may with publicly available information whereas you need to have for example tax returns and other kinds of non public information about a company in order to determine whether or not qualifies for what we call queue rpg status off his property status. So for that reason a- pretty slick solution was developed in the late eighties. Between a guy named william simon who was treasury secretary under nixon briefly goldman sachs at the time. It was the late eighties. I learned about this really because i was an investment banker working on the ipo. of avis. rent a car and spent a lot of time with avis management. Avis was at one time owned by employee stock ownership plan and it was a company that was a portfolio company of west recapitalised. Capital was william signs private equity firm back in the seventies and eighties. And when bill simon came time to sell exit. Portfolio company. avis rent a car which bought for a few hundred million dollars back in the eighties. It took advantage of this new ten forty to sail election to differ capital gains taxes. Were sold and the way it did. That was bill. Simon probably a pretty clear man. On many levels approached his back to goldman sachs and asked them to devise a security that would qualify for qualified replacement property complains he wanted it to be a security could borrow against and so gobi came up with what is in and of itself a fairly atrocious investment asset but which solves the problems of qr t investor and it was a bond specially designed for the business owner. And you know you're in trouble if your investment bankers designing a special security to sell just to you because it's probably Heartless but this is a bond that has the maturity of some thirty forty even fifty years but it has a floating rate coupon. So it's designed never to change value in the face of shifting market interest rates. And i guess one of the ways that goldman sachs enticed the earliest that on their names like proctor and gamble. They tend to be dominated financials. But at the time they're more into recruits companies general electric for example they entice them by making these bonds. Very low cost in other words. The coupons were below market so these bonds pay three months liable or minus something like a spread thirty forty basis points or so goldman approach since best clients got so many issue bonds to bill simon and especially bill simon bought these bonds bought a billion dollars worth of bonds and then gave the development of this collateral and he borrowed against the bar something like ninety percent loan to value was able to walk away with the proceeds and use those proceeds anyway. He wanted so he was applying with. You are p. blinds which require that. He fired qualified replacement property but in a sense he was buying those bonds so that he could essentially borrow against the monetize them by getting a loan from goldman against those aunts and going off into the sunset tax deferred. That's a handful. Exactly the idea was that simon would buy these bonds that would extend beyond his life expectancy and be able to defer those taxes indefinitely. What is that is that you're going to pay the piper for that privilege you're going to borrow ninety percent maybe a little less these days on your bonds and that remaining ten or fifteen percent of collateral is gonna sit there as collateral cushion earning. Whatever that coupon is today that coupon zero and the loan on those bonds and this is typical in Environment alone on this bonds is a spread today of one hundred hundred five hundred and fifty basis points in. So you're writing a check for the privilege of that loan every quarter every month and that's alright expensive way to get access to your money. God forbid the bonds show mature before you meet your demise. God forbid that issuer should call those funds and other typically call protected for twenty thirty years but there is called ability allowed in the structure eventually so anyways. You've got a series of issues that could rear their heads time. But that's been the default that assad's default replacement property now for thirty or thirty five years and we developed our strategy miller. When did you guys start offering this as an offering. What is it you guys actually do. I've read through kind of the post on the website but maybe give us Example of how this has worked in practice and last few years one of our partners. I won't name him because he doesn't want to be broadcast. Clinton the firm in this case but our partners is part of an isa company owning family ownership stake. And so he came to the office. Mundane said we're going to be converted to a c. corporation in our company. And i'm gonna get a chance to sell stock before we convert. He and his family were gonna sell some stock and we had to figure this out. And you know we have an equity orientation toward investing like you do a buying. Those vons. didn't sit well with him when he and his family learned about this strategy for floating rate notes and having to monetize those funds and so forth in this was a wealth that was in trust and so it was gonna be sitting around for a while so they wanted to do was buy something that had a longer life span longer. Investment horizon potentially what he said and what his family said was. What would you guys build your wealth. I mean what equity prospects could. We have for finding a solution to this issue. I guess the first thing that crew did was they called round. You know if you call vanguard say do you have a ten for security. Etf they look at you. Let you got marbles in your head of course no. There's no such thing because this is not a very big market there aren't that many buyers potentially of this solution and so it's not really worth time in the effort to go through the process of trying to make such investment product but more importantly it's not permitted under the rules when can't by passive entity vehicle like etf to satisfy us so we were faced with having to come up with our own solution so what we developed was actively an s and p five hundred or engine index style strategy. We don't actually use the s p five hundred because we don't want us impede not address for a royalty but we use the universe of large cap equities and in that manner we draw from the securities that predominated coming universe and we filter out the securities that are not qualified. Push the property compliance. Took us about. I would say thousand man hours to figure out how to do that. Every client needs that filtering process done because those names change that coming out of favor or new securities emergency securities retired and so we filled them securities. We come up with some subset. That's a little less than eighty percent of the investable universe that we're looking at and then we read index strategy that market with it and that is what we created the idea being that why something for four years that's not going to grow and that's not yield the income when you can buy what is arguably one of the more attractive growth asset classes in investing history. Can you take distributions from that. Is it just taxable if you were to take money out. His uncle sam get his pound of flesh rule under section ten forty two states that if you rolled over your proceeds into qualified replacement property you then roll into that qualified replacement property the tax basis of your stock that you sold a as well as the holding period. So suddenly now been asked that you've essentially owned sister. I created your company and has that long-term holdings inherited by the stock as well. The idea is that if you're dispose or or generate something that off is as taxable disposition of those rollover stocks qualified replacement stocks. You then have to pay the capital gains tax. That you wouldn't vote at the time you your stock to these up in other words and so you've moved the capital gains tax recognition down the road and so business owns this asset. Now you can enjoy both the dividends which are taxed as dividends currently twenty percent plus three point eight for the surcharge so that's a reasonably low tax stream of income and the owner wants to boost that with additional equity. What we do is we algorithm mickley trim on a pro-rata basis small capital gains sales across each of the shareholdings in that next and we can do that we feel about themselves was in business. Owner can generate say a four percent yield out of the stocks the versus maybe a one and a half or two percent yield from the distance and it's still tax this capital gains tax on devices still taxing the very attractive manner for business under force transport transfer less now. Are there any kind of generalizations. You can make about the companies you guys have worked with thus far. Are they all doing sort of a template model. Is it highly customizable. They tend to do the same thing. Or how's it kind of worked in practice. What we find is that most business owners come to us with a very similar set of circumstances of just so between forty percent to one hundred percent might company. And i've got these proceeds and now i need to buy this roll over and the process for buying that. Rollover is almost uniformly. The same. usually they'll come to us with a recently significant proportions of cash. But some of them don't come to us with twenty five percent down so we financially engineer the leverage barham that they need in order to buy the entire next. But it's a pretty consistent process for doing that. The real question revolves around. How much cash investment. They're bringing to bear the by their role of because the rules of qualified replacement crop. Property require that a business owner by the entire intended rollover within one year of selling the stock to these upthrust so in favour industries. If you saw your company for one hundred million dollars you've got a year to identify your qualified replacement property now if you're a floating rate note strategy pursuer you will need that year because floating rate notes are issued every couple of months. And you don't want to own just one slow rate net. You'd like to own three or four or five more if you could but typically come out every couple of months and so you've gotta buy your bonds in those trenches and hope that you can get what you need within that one year period we're of course buying from the most liquid capital markets in the world and we're buying the muslims would acid in the world presumably outside of the us dollar binding largest capitalized stocks in the us. Those tend to be liquid. We can by as much as we won so business in decided usually wants to by initially the whole bunch or wants to spread that purchase out over time. Who's kind of shouldn't be doing this. Is there any use cases. So we're gonna have a lot of listeners that our business owners on this podcast that i imagine we'll think this is an interesting posssibility. Any people should be screening out or any people that we should be considering more appropriate for this sort of thing. Our client base coverage is probably the entire gamut. We had a last one client who passed away shortly after. She sold her stock within about a month and it worked as advertised. We helped her documentary purchase so that she was able to go through or a state was able to go through the procedure to document that it grew clyde with two european or step up in basis was apparently completed and last i heard her estate was sadly doing well. Given the circumstances. I guess i would say to you that if you are infirm and very elderly floating rate notes might make a lot of sense for you because as we all know that these are a longer term investment asset equity offer everybody and so if you are probably looking at less than ten years of actuaries had of you you might wanna consider floating rate notes. They're just as flexible as our equities and would argue there even more flexible. We're not sure if that's the case. But at least it's an asset that is appropriate to the condition of that age that demographic of the business center a younger investor might want to have a more growth rates at asset but ten years is probably the minimum horizon. Why have ahead of you if you considering equity portfolio so the elderly. The infirm would certainly wanna consider flooding right nuts. We encourage all investors. Look at all the strategies out there predominately floating rate notes in our strategy. We don't want to try to railroad anybody into the strategy but we think that our strategy has number benefits that our community but as far as companies. You didn't ask that question not the nation question. What kinds of companies do isao and what kinds of companies are well suited. Ease ops. And i'd suggest you that company growing thirty percent a year. Maybe in a interesting emerging technology would not be ideal candidate for isa for example because that creates certain obligations for buying shares for future employees. That might be very expensive at costly in a fast growing fast depreciating equity base business like that a slower industrial business or business with me between five and ten percent per year would probably the ideal to have the full flexibility of considering nissan. Give you the mike for a little bit. Take over the conversation. What haven't we talked about about this. That is a interesting discussion or areas. We didn't dive in deeper. You think we didn't talk about things. I didn't ask what else about this whole. Aesop concept is useful to discuss each outs really fascinating. There are two predominant forms of that. One can pursue employee stock ownership plans. One is an s. corporation. He saw meaning that the company that is able to use this he saw is taxed as an s corporation currently public companies. Can't really do you sops for these benefits. They have other interesting benefits that crew to them as you'll find a number of public companies have very small employee stock ownership plans. They check a box or able to derive certain benefits but they're largely divorced from what we've been talking about. Which is the benefit of an employee stock ownership plan in these kinds of interesting taxable ways so an s. corporation whose owner election he stop kevin in theory become a one hundred percent tax free entity so if a business under sales thirty percent overstock to an employee stock ownership plan trust that she forms for the benefit of the company those years on behalf of its employees the thirty percent of stock then receives distributions tax free because a qualified plan pays no income taxes and again an e saw trust is just like a 401k. Trust in that. It is qualified investment plan. So as such it's non-taxable entity so when an isa owns the shares of an s. corporation all of the shares. All of those distributions than become tax free and of course any anthony owns one hundred percent of the stock of a company is a non tax payer a qualified plan like that. So it's really interesting when you think about it. Infected brings up funny story. There are laws in place to provide small companies with a handful of employees from taking advantage of these rules to make their companies entirely tax-free and that's because forty two actors that i've heard jerry seinfeld. And his production company was a one piece up and he owned company that elected is op sail and he became the one participant business plan. And so jerry. Seinfeld pays no taxes on his businesses earnings which is pretty interesting. But that's not the reason why congress put in place these interesting benefits congress encouraging e sobs because they create wonderful benefits for employees for their families their communities and of course for the legacy of the company itself the business center and they don't want that being abused by small groups of wealthy individuals who are seeking to create the tax randy and so they've developed a series of rules to prevent abuses. But that doesn't mean though that a twenty person firm or larger as an s corporation chant undertake begging saw like this and all distributions as i said from the shares and are distributed tax rate in a less than one hundred percent owned s. corporation. He saw the distributions are taxed outside of that he saw and so typically what happens is the company will distribute funds so that the cheryl was compared to their taxes. And so there's not quite as much efficiency than in those more minority ownership structures on the cassie core is the entity the tax structure that permits a business center selling your stock to defer capital gains taxes. There've been ruined around that congress is going to consider potentially allowing that deferred tax benefit for business owners of s corporations whose of their stock to enjoy at saint capital gains tax deferral but currently now surely the remit seconc owners interestingly enough though both companies can deduct the debt payments to the trust that are made to repay the debt taken on board to finance the purchase for the business center. Perhaps i've gone layer too deep here but device it to say that if a business owner sells one hundred percent of their company and the company doesn't have cash in place to buy that equity or the trust that is formed can't buy that equity with the company's cash infusions again the company has to go and borrow and so any distributions at are made to the isa trust designed to repay that debt their allocated shares to the employees as a function of that repayment. Those payments are tax deductible to the company so there are real tax benefits to form these off along. The lines of distributions made payments made to the trusts to fund. That plans actually consider that to be like way for k plan is funded so those payments and in the case of a seed cooperation but that service costs can be deducted up to certain limits. Which makes them very attractive from tech savings vehicle for the entire company. Not just the business introduced this time. So what are you actually do. Architects mike comes you. They're gonna email you. After the show said map referred me. He gets a case of nude belgian beer for every referral. What you guys do. What's the time line. walk me through. What something like. This may look like will work with the business center to understand the circumstances around their transaction and understand what kind of use they have for the proceeds. Just we understand really what kind of investment horizon they might have but typically that business owner will have fought through their reasons for electing ten forty two sale transaction and so that is often because the business owner wants to try as much money as possible for future generations and so as a result of that we will first of all help to determine what kind of structure the portfolio requires meaning. How much cash the table. Because as i mentioned for business owners who don't have adequate proceeds to purchase the entire rollover with cash. An amount of borrowing has to be done that amount. Barring typically parallels how much seller financing bear undertaking to finance the sale of stock business. Back as i mentioned the business under cells stock to the trust above and beyond the ability of companies financing capability the business are typically takes backing from the company a soda and that seller note while to be more attractive as a subordinate abusive borrowing his a better interest rate that seller Prevents them from buying the entire portfolio outright cash and so that some note has to be financed in and of itself on our side of the transaction when it comes time to purchase the rollover. And so what we've done is we've developed a way to financially engineer that are wings of business center to buy the entire rollover of it s risky when it comes to buying equities and so we've had been developed ways to get around that risk but it enables the business owner to purchase the entire rollover. It's a pretty straightforward process. They are by definition typically accredited investors given the size of their proceeds given the dollar values that they're seeking to rollover in the strategy and so as a result we have to give them pretty deep education into what we're doing for them in what some of the risks are tailed the strategy but making it through an educational promise of several presentations and then they make determination as to how they technically want to implement that folio. And as i said that could be a lump sum. Investment which tends to align more with the evidence of dot cost averaging versus lump sum investing or we can undertake a dollar cost averaging process and frankly we encourage dollar cost averaging because when you consider the buyer's remorse that could occur if the market drops twenty thirty percent the day after they buy their portfolio in typically people typically come around to that crutches vienna valuable approach to investment proceeds was the timeframe. How long so you males you tonight was take how long we can get it done in. Typically about two weeks of the stock is titled the individual's name they sold to the e. Stop meaning that what we have to his opening account for them we have to get them to sign an investment management agreement with us and more importantly we have to educate them about the strategy and about the risks that poses so forth and work with them. But is there in a hurry. We can get a very quickly. As i've said we've gotten these investment spend for some clients no matter of a couple of days but that's usually painful process for everyone involved. More likely at client will come to us after. They've finished their the results sale. And they'll opt for longer process that entails more measured entrance into the market typically over three or four inches. We call it. Dollar cost averaging but it's really a one two three four xlt for equal investment amounts. Had you guys were companies. Fee-based is it project base hourly based what he has do its advice fee-based so our advice be is on on our eighty disclosures but the advice failures charged on amount of the assets that decline is investing and so that's tiered depending upon the total value of those assets will work with other ria's who might bring clients to because again we want you know our culture. It's win win win win win as many ways as our party constituents and so wes is keating as by to be able to work with other. Ria's because the alternative is potentially that the ria who's been nursing decline for many years is gonna get edged out of vitamin declined. If the klang obsta work is one of the investment banks so often do is work with those are as to educate them about the process will work under a solicitor's arrangement with them and share with them. A piece of advice as i said that advice fees all disclosed in our giving talked about it one. Nice thing about podcast like this is we've chatted with a few. I think most investors are familiar with the old school real estate exchange. What does that ten thirty one. We've talked a lot about q. S. b. s. which i think is twelve. Oh to i've never heard of this. Not surprisingly west had sent me his blog post. You guys did a while back This is a couple of years ago. I think and i just like many ages is roll back in my head so we did a poll. The other day asking investors back. Usps and it was. I think ninety five or ninety nine percents they never heard of it and so i imagine this one it may be straight up ninety nine point nine. We got a bunch of tech followers. So those would be the only ones that have heard of it so i loved it. There's something new were unraveling unlike many things with accounting and estates taxes. It's a double dose of frustration complexity and just pain in the ass. Nece exactly you've nailed it to add to the challenge. Often the advisers around the nissan will get to the topic of ten forty two in detail until the end of the transactions of the business. Owner doesn't really appreciate the complexity that she's in for where he's in for an transactions. Wow so i gotta jump through these hoops to do this. And it's not like a ten thirty one rollover in the sense that a temporary one roll over ten be rolled over again and again when there's no limitation i guess then life span to rolling. Over those taps deferral will. This is a one shot deal. You only get one chance to choose your qualified replacement property and so you really have to understand what it is. You're getting into and we often get phone calls from business. Owners who have sold their companies through it easy sops and opted for the floating rate notes strategy. I'll just quote one client came to us. Who's now a klein said. Woke up one day and realized these bonds were never gonna go up in value by design. They don't really pay anything at least an views market conditions. don't really have much coupon. So my only choice forever and never to borrow against these bonds. And i woke up. Thank goodness i still had a few months left in my year. And that's when the investor call us and we were able to find a by response first of all because the banks don't want to buy them back at par than occasionally go buy them back at ninety nine and a half or so but what we were able to do was find competing bidder on the bonds to make his original bank behave not make them a nice off to buy back the bonds and then get them into our strategy relatively quickly that investor is presumably much happier now that he's got two and a half or three years of growth. His past performance is no guarantee obviously says we look to the horizon. It's twenty twenty one which feels weird saying we're recording this in january i think the assumption of most participants is that taxes probably aren't going down if anything it may be going up. What do you see as you talk to people. Is this something that you will expect an uptick in deal flow and interest in this sort of concept based on policy gives just your general thoughts on outlook of future. Anything else on your mind. I guess there are two important things on my mind that are raised by this question. One is who else. Besides a business owner would find this strategy appealing. And i think that this is a missed opportunity or at least has been. I'm keen to see a change. A middle market private equity firm that seeks among its fund investors typically large private individuals who attack sensitive that private equity investor is an ideal ten forty to sail actor. Why because i'm certain that any number of companies exists the near portfolios that have not generated contrary to what they might be advertising that have not generating the kinds of offers by acquirers that would satisfy their investment objectives when you consider that a middle market private equity firm that is largely tax sensitive and its investors can sail to an e saw and thereby defer capital gains taxes. Potentially definitely it becomes a really interesting opportunity or can roll those proceeds into another business investment. Will how interesting is that. I mean we have client. The first i heard of it who is a private infect runs on middle market private equity firm based here in southeast pennsylvania and eastern partners exited one of their businesses to employee stock ownership plan. And so they were able to capitalize on this structure to exit their business and roll those proceeds into a large cap equity index universe in the capital gains taxes. It felt to me like the ideal solution for middle market. Private equity firm whose investors in there were about ten of them sitting around the table. Worl- seeking ten forty two rollover opportunities. Me how cool is that so private. When he has a real interesting opportunity team to get the word out there. I was gonna start getting on that dog and honey show but got busy with business as it developed. So that's one universe but then you got the tax law changes that you've talked back now and how it applies to individuals. So just by way of refreshing. If you don't sell your company to an employee stock ownership plan and you sell it through other means and get your proceeds every time you are typically going to have a dog sales tax on the sale proceeds. Meaning you'll pay your taxes as those installments or may to you will. That is it installed in sale of a tax deferred nature and it's on the schedule of the government. Why not elected ten forty to sail and control when you pay those taxes because by electing ten forty two and rolling all of this over you now have. The choice is to win. You wanna pay those taxes. And so it just makes sense from the standpoint of taking control of your tax liability your catalyst that you want to have that control on your own power and with an increase in tax rates. It seems to me to be more attractive to sony. shareholders to have that in very important control. I mean when you think about it right now turf state and local taxes plus federal taxes. I mean you're looking at upwards of thirty three percent of capital gains tax on the cylinder pros. He's a big dollar numbers. If that's gonna go up. It's already going up in oregon in portland. Oregon of those are going to go up. Those kinds of dollar numbers now are just too big to ignore and trig nor without considering other alternatives similarly we'd russell with this question the step up in basis most business owners think that siamese up is less attractive. because there's no step up in basis potentially under the tax law changes invite envisioned under the biden agenda. But when you consider that ten. Forty two can be gifted without creating attacks disposition. It stands to reason that it can be inherited without a taxable disposition until that generation then dispose of those equities or those bonds if there's so maturity left in them so perhaps it's vehicle for transcending that a hell upon demise of in the state. I'm not attached running. I don't know. But i believe that since it can be gated without a taxable gain. There's no reason why it cannot be inherited as such royals owner could separate gifted upon just prior to demise. You wanted to talk about. Resources will add these to our show links. This is a pretty esoteric topic. What's the best place for people to go. If they wanna learn more just e mail you guys. I know you've done oppose all odd shut links. Anything else comes to mind. The best most objective answer i can give is to simply asked curious parties to google the terms ten forty two p. If you do that you will come up with organic search rankings. That give you a pretty good indication. What's out there among those posts will be ours. Hopefully investor can determine but if the business owner was to contact us directly. We're delighted to speak with them. Share what we know will provide examples of how we believe our strategic repairs to note strategy. We appreciate that. We're biased in the sense that we are so many alternative the floating rate notes but we also work with promoters floating rate notes and believe that. There's a place for the securities in investor portfolios and so we're having to try to start that education process and even refer clients to flooding right promoters a second opinion. Doug i love it looking back on your career minutes mentioning spots. What's been your most. Imagine you still got some bear stearns gear who stuff from bear. A wore a bear stearns switcher. I gotten in. This is our poker tournament. We're trying to bite off my back. I had the benefit of serving military like western. I was in the navy at ya. Joined bear stearns in spent about eleven and a half years there unfortunately s financial crisis. Change the course of my career. But i'm delighted to have ended up where i am working with is wonderful crew and and as you know west is a lot of fun to work with one of the smarter guys. They're liable to encounter and so he end. This wonderful team is assembled. Have just read what i do so much fun as the strategy with them. It's just so enjoyable. Craig crew for sure what's been your most memorable investment on your side is look back in your history. Anything positive negative in between come to mind do what i do. You'll be a poster child for what not to do. I was an early investor in telmex early. Because i'm older than you guys are. We're talking about the mid nineties and of course not early enough to when there was any profit left and so i realized that chasing returns was a terrible way to invest early on and so i've never done that since and so i stand back and life what's going on and tesla which is going on engaged off and so forth and i have to just marvel feel of a capital markets for these kinds of things for boys like jumping into a bull ring. Any they're trying to play that game well. By the time this publishes those will be anywhere between ten thousand and one dollar per share. Who knows which. I also have been a shareholder of telmex back in the days. So i can. Sympathize has been so much fun. Where do people go to find out more. They wanna email you. You guys chat a little bit about shops. What's best spot. Best places dub dub dub dub author architect dot com. You can following store strategies or you can reach recently done at alpha dot com and we appreciate any interest advantages. 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Erica Williams Simon, entrepreneur and author: The only way out of feeling stuck is to move.

Skimm'd from The Couch

33:59 min | 1 year ago

Erica Williams Simon, entrepreneur and author: The only way out of feeling stuck is to move.

"Today's episode is brought to you by. Hr Block tax pro go expert tax. Prep without the office visit doc the only way out of feeling stuck is to move and by movement I mean create some space in your life to start trying to think. Think deeply and proactively about what can I do to change things. What can my next? FBI You won't necessarily find the immediate answer but it's asking the key questions. Shins that I think can help. I'm Carly's Aitken. I'm Danielle Weisberg. Welcome to skim from the couch. This podcast is where we go deep on career advice from women who have leapt from the good stuff like hiring and growing a team to the rough stuff like negotiating your salary and giving or getting hard feedback. We started the skin from a couch. So what better place to talk it all out than where it began on a couch today. We welcome Erica. William Simon to skimmed from the couch. Erica is a writer podcast hosts and the CEO of Sage House media as a self-described -scribed professional question asker. She facilitates conversations to inspire social change. Her new book you deserve. The Truth Discusses The career decisions nations. She made in order to re write her life story and she shares. How you can do the same Erica? We are so excited to have you with US mainly because you have interviewed us many times and now we have you on the other side of the table. I'm kind of your good energy. Yeah I'm like I mean I feel a lot of pressure. You're the welcome to the couch. Thank you for having me. So we're GONNA start how he started every interview. Just Skim your resume for us. So I started out my career in politics six. I'm born and raised in the DC area and went to the leadership conference on Civil and human rights which is the nation's oldest largest civil rights coalition that no one has ever heard of. But they're behind every major piece of legislation since the march on Washington and they're a coalition of women's or LGBT or eggs and black and brown ours and so what was awesome about. It was right then I got to kind of get a lay of the land of the entire like social justice progressive policy world. So from there I went to run in the national use arm for the Center for American progress which they call like the White House in waiting. It's Clinton Chief of staff ran it and it was just the forefront of progressive policy and my job was to figure out how to work with young people millennials to get them involved and support their campaigns and in the process ended up on TV quite a bit and my spokesperson and fell in love with that part of the work did a couple more jobs in that arena went to the citizen engagement lab which is like this really cool incubator for social change projects and kind of had carved out at this role for myself as like the Voice of Progressive Millennial America. You know what I mean and I loved it and it was fine and it was flashy and exciting and yet there was a part. Pardon me that felt like I want more than this. For my life felt very limited then became the creative director the first creative director of up worthy which at the time was like a social good buzzfeed inroad a buck and then went to snapchat and built a program. They are called the creators lab. It was the first of its kind. It was a program physical space to bring storytellers digital media creators and influences together to have meaningful conversations. And now I run my own company. So that's the that's the resume and the highlight so we can get when something not on your linked in that we should know about you. I have been singing in the choir and directed McGuire. That was a little girl so music is like my passion outside of work and I bring that up. Just because it's kind of what I do is try to create the same spaces professionally that I felt. As a little girl growing up a pastor's kid singing and having meaningful meaningful conversations and community with people that still very much a part of the mindset that I bring to everything I do. What's your favorite song to Sing Whitney? Houston's I love the Lord which she sang in the preacher's that's why I love it. It's so good. When you started to say Whitney Houston I was like Oh my God me too? I'm like I WANNA dance with somebody and then you went into. Yeah I know I'm GonNa Dance. Somebody's a good one. So let's talk about how you grow grew up in DC. Your father was a preacher. You call yourself a preacher's preacher's daughter for life. What does that mean to you? The way that I view the world everything than I am came from that experience so the way TV depicts black. Churches coaches is actually not the way that most black churches in America are most of them are actually very small kind of like mom and pop. They call them storefront churches. So that's what ours was and felt like a giant family family. He started the church literally in our basement when I was nine months old. So when people say they grew up in church like literally of course then the church moved out and had the real building and all that stuff but my life revolved around a couple of key principles around service so ours was the door that was always open. If you needed a place to stay needed to be bailed L. out of jail in the middle of the night like you called my father it was that kind of orientation around just selfless giving it was oriented around having honest authentic conversations so whether it was because he was counseling people or the group or Sunday mornings. It was just this. Is the place where you can be real where you can be. Authentic used. Always say like we're not interested. Is it in your Sunday. Best like how you look in your outfit but we want to get to know the real you and have meaningful conversations and so that is kind of been a thread through everything that I've done in my life. I've realized that I've been doing that whether it was in the sphere of politics or media or attack my main mission was select. Let's cut through the BS and have meaningful conversations that can help you change your life and change the world in some way and I got that straight from from my father and really both of my parents. We met you with four ever really knowing this part of your background and so it was really really fun to kind of research and read more about you realize what a huge part of who you are is really based around your dad and based around growing up that way and around faith we are struck once said where you said you define in view faith specifically that your faith is about wonder what does that mean in general but particularly for for our generation for those who grew up like in the nineties in two thousand and even now the way that faith is presented in the public sphere is very much about certainty. Like you have to know these these things and believe these things. There are these lines around religion. That safe you you know you have to know with absolute certainty that this happened in this way and I just find and that to be such a limiting way of thinking about a God who was ultimately big massive and unknowable. Right and so I prefer to think of faith as looking at the. Aw and under of the things that I don't understand the things that there are no clear answers for. I'm not GonNa sit in debate science. There's an answer for that right but there's so many things we don't know and don't understand and you can't put words to love you can't put words to kind of like your own growth and development and all of these beautiful amazing things and so my faith practice is really really grounded in just the wonder awe of life and how how it exists and how we communicate and engage with one another and I think if you do that you can kind of free yourself from so many restrictions that society and institutions have put on your faith and your spirit and your internal life. I feel like that was beautiful too. Yeah I'm amazed that someone who has this authentic sense to face can then go into politics girl me too and and I are benthic since a face because I think that both parties all parties. There's kind of a religious pandering. How did you reconcile that? It was was hard but I went and pretty naive. I went into that world for the purest reason possible which I must say actually a lot of my colleagues did to. Let's be clear. A lot of people who are doing social impact work whether on the activist side of the political side tend to go in with a really pure mission. I want to change people's lives. I went to help help. People recognize their own power change systems and structures all that stuff like I felt like it was a continuation of my fathers when he did in our community. And I was like. This is just a different Scale a different level in a way to do that that you know spirit and and services one thing but let's talk about systems so I went in with that mindset and then saw what it is that I think everybody sees. which is you know all the red tape all the hypocrisy again very similar to how most people view religion right these are institutions? That are very change focused and I think when you go in with that power gets involved and things become corrupted and so it was really hard and talk about this in the book and the chapter on faith with and actually in the chapter on work and in identity. I think I talked about I do but just this idea that I was struggling to reconcile all the different parts of WHO. Yeah I was and so at work. I didn't talk about faith a lot for very obvious reasons right especially if you're progressive. We're not supposed to talk about that. Because Faith Jason Religion is supposed to be owned by conservatives and so that's just not a thing that's really cool to talk about and then on the flip. When I was home in my faith environment I was not talking about the fact that like Hey I am on the frontlines literally fighting for marriage equality fighting for reproductive rights and justice which were taboo topics in the church and so I was was kind of walking this line for a while and I think part of why I ended up at a point where I said? I can't do this anymore. I have to remake my life and write a new story for myself was because because of that I was living kind of this divided existence. Well a lot of people. It's a don't necessarily have the extreme of the divided existence that you're referencing. Lots of people have a job and feel like this isn't me like I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing fulfiled because of a multitude of reasons but ultimately this is informed me. That doesn't mean that everybody is like okay. Take a step back and rewrite my story really really hard thing to do and to have the courage to do I want to just kind of get into your mindset around around how you thought about stepping away from that and also I wanNA talk about relationship with money because it's not just emotional courage that you need to have to step away from something but it's also financial courage which is a really personal thing to think through. Yeah yeah it was tough book turbans saying like you don't have to do it this way. You can slow down. You can think I didn't do much of that abruptly quit my job. You talk about how you quit your job. It was an angry email. It just don't recommend that I had just come back from my honeymoon. I was on this high of living life. I'd be doing yoga. Whatever I came back and it was to be fair? My last job was not a great job. It was really toxic. I had a terrible boss. I was being disrespected. It wasn't just like I'm I'm mildly unhappy. It was like a job I needed to get out of. I didn't plan on doing it that day. Hey but I got an email. That was like once again while it had been on vacation. It had changed my job description without any conversation about it. They had messed up my pay. Hey there was just all of these things. I don't know what came over me because I am not usually a person who does things just that suddenly sent an email and I was like okay. Great thank you. This is my last day working for you but by and I walked into my living room with my brand spanking new husband and was like so I just quit my the job. What did he say he was stunned? But on the other hand he's like all right. Erica okay like I don't make rash decisions but I do move with my gut. And he knew how miserable I had been in that job so he was surprised but he wasn't surprised. I on the other hand became very surprised. Like maybe like an hour later. I you have that feeling we. Did they write back I don't know I log out of my email. I never logged back on C.. Never have spoken to them since then but I don't know what their reaction was. That's on that day about how I would be like trying to get back in a moment. I mean five minutes later what did I do. I need to see what they wrote any till I felt like I felt like I'd had some sort of a stroke like you do it. And then you feel really high. And it's just a super exciting and then slowly settles in. I tell that story for two reasons. One you don't have to do it that way but to I do tell it because people like me. We are never supposed to do that when you hear the quitting stories. You've got your eat. Pray Love you've got your Jerry Maguire's right like young women young black women `young load middle income. Women are never supposed to step back. There's a stigma around the idea of quitting. And I just encourage people not to abruptly quit or make unwise decisions agents but to know that it is okay to step away from something that isn't serving the world will not end. If you can figure out and we'll get into that part the financial piece of it which is huge huge. I just want to take away the stigma of that because sometimes you have to take a step away. Even if you can't quit your job though I do think it's imperative of that. How ever you can in your life that you create some space as opposed to just dwelling in the unhappiness and the being unfulfilled and the complaining which we naturally do right you gotta let off seems way but I think there's just a sense of feeling stuck and the only way out of feeling suck is to move and by movement I mean create eight some space in your life to start trying to think deeply and proactively about? What can I do to change things? What can my next be? You won't necessarily find in the immediate answer her. But it's asking the key questions that I think can help as CEO's CEO's. We are very busy very very busy important people and we are always looking to get time back and in that way we are just like everyone else because no one has enough time no matter what you do no matter where you're from there are never enough hours in the day so we are obsessed with helping all of you spend your time wisely and we're going to give you the biggest tip on that it is Asian are blocks tax pro. Tis The season you have to do your taxes. Taxes taxes are easy when you use H and R block tax pro. All You have to do is upload your tax documents and attacks pro literally does everything else. It is truly the easiest way to have the expert expert. Like do it for you. But you don't have to go anywhere you do it at home. And they're trained to get you every deduction credit that you deserve go to H R block dot com slash skim that is HR block dot com slash skim. It is better with block and we couldn't recommend the sport. Doc I want to talk about the financial part Because I always feel like to your your point when we hear these stories or when we talk about our story and taking on credit card debt I feel like that Perkins glossed over when you're hearing stories where it works out. How did you think through that? What's your advice to people that are going through that themselves? I mean advice want advice point number one is do not abruptly quit your job. You can actually take a little bit of time to plan but in either case So I'll tell you what happened with me so I Also how old are you this. Plan Twenty seven thirty seven now twenty-eight sorrows and you know I had no idea what I was going to do next and this is the part that's going to Piss people off because it's like my faith the`miracle managing staff but the next day. I had an e mail in my inbox from someone I had met before in like a professional networking group. WHO said Hey? I don't know if you do consulting but I've got a client that I think would love to just talk to you and pick your brain about kind of how to engage millennials and social impact stuff. And I was like yes I definitely do. Yeah absolutely I do. I had never consulted before. I had no idea what that entailed. But I was like. Okay ass and the client and then that being coca-cola like it was my massive so random But that was a short term project and it wasn't like a consistent income and it took a while to get paid and I still didn't really know what I was doing. I also had throughout the entirety tired of my work. Life had a side Gig which is also something I encourage people to do. Don't run yourself. Ragged and drive yourself into the ground to have ten jobs. My identity has never ver- been solely tied to my one job. Because I know that all of WHO I am fit into one job. We try to put pressure on ourselves. That kind of have every single part of who we are every passion and every gift and talent in one job that will never happens. I've always had multiple streams of income so I had media and communications training on the side that I'd always he's done and so I basically put the word out like I can do more of that now guys and so I kind of consistently had that coming in that hustle. Come from your family weirder that come from that. You always always had that stuff happening. It wasn't even the hustle that came from my family. What came from my family was the idea that you have to use all of your gifts? It was again a very existential spiritual the thing that if you have gifts and talents it is your job to figure out how to use them to serve the world so it wasn't really about like I gotTa Hustle and multiple jobs. It was like okay if my job. Bob Isn't taking advantage of the fact that I do this too. I'M GONNA go find a way to do it. It really was me trying to find fulfilment that then turned into okay so then that means you're hustler and you have multiple gigs. How do you react when people say? I want to be able to bring my whole self to work. Well that's rare. It's very rare. The metaphor that I give in the book is that statement is like pretending you have to get all of your belongings in a carry on suitcase in one carry on right. He's someone who has to check every time I I understand. What do you really annoying one time one time and we were there ten days and like I don't understand how you didn't check check check moon? You should have just checked with me. It was really annoying. Wasn't it. Yeah you don't have to fit your entire life in A carry on you have multiple suitcases and so it is important that you can bring your best self to work. Meaning if you're coming to work and the part of you that is showing showing up is not you know positive is not maximizing your talent. That's a problem but you don't have to bring your whole self even when I was talking about my faith side and my political side. I wasn't looking for a job that was going to let me like have a protest sign in one arm and like a Communion Cup in the other. They're like I'm not expecting my job to allow me to express all of those. I wanted to be in a place where I didn't have to pretend to be someone else. It's rare that you'll find the job that takes advantage of every single one of your talents and skills you can put those into different areas of your life with side hustles with hobbies with community service. Your job is to complete the circle of your life. But you don't have to do that. In one slice you moved to Los Angeles. I did why I wish I had like a super bossy progressive feminist. Answer for that my my husband. He wanted to move. I went kicking and screaming because I was like California. Had Your family react. Oh they were not happy my grandmother till the day. Hey that she passed away. She passed away a couple years ago. We were very very close and she. She loved my husband too. Because we've known each other since high school so he's part of the family but till the day she passed away every time. I would come home Tom. She would pat my head and say he won't let you leave how Hollywood secondhand not like holding it is. My family was not happy about the but I'm glad I did at the time that I'd quit my job. I didn't know what the next forget. Forget job I didn't know what the next season of my life was. who was I going to be next? What was my identity? What did I want to do? And it was so good to begin a new space to to explore that to be in a space where our lays a very like multi hyphen culture. I'm this and this and this and this and that was what I needed to be who I am so it was good to be in that environment. One of the things we asked a lot is when people either have gaps on their resume and terms of years taken off or whether maybe they were consulting freelancing doing doing multiple things at once how to position themselves then for a fulltime role. Because you did eventually take fulltime rolls what we're small startups than than one became snap. Yeah Yeah but how did you position yourself as someone for fulltime role. If I was GONNA pick one career skill I would tell people. It's the art of crafting. Your story story and I don't mean that in the abstract sense like your life journey I mean literally what is the story. How do you tell a tizzy what has happened in your life? If people don't recognize their power to do that you assume that you have these pieces. I have this job. I have this consulting gig. I have this gap and I just have to presents the pieces to someone and let them put them together however they want. No you decide how you string them together so for example instead of saying well I worked in politics and I had a job and then I left that job and then I was consulting and I was consulting with a corporate client and this and that and then I work attack. I was stringing together to say I've been on a journey journeys in three different industries to identify how to tell the best stories to young people right like that is a way of talking about it. Another way of talking about it is I could say at three three change focus industries. I have worked to help. Young people figure out the best way to create meaningful impact and transformation not lies suspending. Its packaging. And you can't do that on the fly. You have to take the time to kind of look and say what is the threat here. What was similar between this experience and that experience even if they were wildly different jobs or wildly different industries? Has there been one key motivation. has there been one key skill. Set that you've used and tying it together give someone someone the ability to say. This is the package I'm presenting you and it looks good. What has been helpful to you as you have gone through those moments of introspection two things so one is faith? But the way that I'll talk about that here is just saying like really developing your inner life before you start seeking out. INSTAGRAM quotes quotes influencers. Books I mean. All of those things can be helpful but I found that they are most helpful once. You've done the inner work to figure things out as best as you can on your own first. And here's why I say that influencers and self help books and all that stuff can be very very helpful. I mean I know I wrote one. It is amazing and it is hopefully very very practical and helpful to everyone who try to carve out a new life but they don't replace the inner work you have to do for yourself first of all. You're never seeing anyone's entire entire story anyway. You're looking at their instagram account. And you're like wow. That was easy for them. They quit their job and then the next day they had a brand supporting them. Whatever it is and you don't know the real story so one is like being really consistent and committed to my own inner girls like what does it mean to listen to myself? What do I actually enjoy doing? So that's one thing and the second is just as best you can hand find people who get you and support you whether that's friends or partner or if you need to join some sort of group whatever it is but I found that I wasn't the only one going this transition at that time. I mean some people had quit their jobs. Some people hadn't but understood and we're able to say like yeah. I'm rooting for you. You got this when you are working working for somebody else working at a company. Are you good on a team. I'm very good on a team. I'm not happy being told what to do. So are you to manage. I think I am to be honest. I'm hard because because I am always the person in the room that like if someone tells me what to do I'm like cool. I suggested no way instead like so. It's annoying. I'm sure so. Because there's a lot of people would say they also got driven what you're talking about resonates with them. which is that? There are very key parts of themselves that they are bringing to work in the parts of themselves. Maybe people don't see yet and they make decisions in a way that works for them and isn't necessarily following a rule book in an operational plan. But that doesn't mean that that those people are going to quit their jobs and start something. I'm very curious what advice you would give to those people about how to thrive in a more corporate environment the mindset shift that I had that eventually actually made me a good employee. Even though I don't like being play one was when I saw every opportunity as a chance to learn something I would see these environments as okay. This is like this is like school. I'm here to learn something. Learn people learn what it is. They're doing and how are they making decisions and I started to see it as a challenge to learn as much as I what could we tend to because we're not bring full to work which we don't necessarily need to but we tend to have very surfaced and shallow conversations with the people that we work with the more I was really really transparent and honest at work about what I was struggling with at work. Let me be clear. Not My personal life but You Know Hey. I'm having a difficult time time with this or I saw this way. You saw this. We can you explain that to me or yeah. I'm usually not good in this environment but I'm trying to get better. Can you help me like just being really honest. Just the more. My connections with my bosses were authentic and they actually wanted to help me thrive and didn't see me as competition it just felt much more collaborative operative so learning and being as on its and transparent as you can about where you are if you are having any challenges that the combination of those two things made me much better not member so the single worst thing happened to me yes. Have you ever accidentally picked up your significant others toothbrush and used it by mistake. Because that happened to me and I take out my tongue and my teeth I would. It was most horrifying thing in the entire world. That's that's gross. It was grows and reminded me that. If I had used my clip I would have known what was mine quips. Electric Brush has a sensitive sonic vibrations with a built in timer and thirty second pulses to guide to a full and even clean also. I really appreciate this quip delivers fresh fresh brush heads floss and toothpaste refills to your door. Every three months because who remembers to switch them out they do that with free shipping. So your routine As always right on and if you go to get clipped dot com slash scam right now. You will get your first refill free. That is your very first refill. FREE AT GET QUIP DOT COM Tom Slash Skim. I'm going to sell it for you. It is G. E. T. Q. U. IP DOT com slash skin. Quip is be good habits company. You've called yourself a one woman important. Conversations Business which I I like? How do you suggest people start that conversation at work or just in general? I think in general because I think a lot of people want to be be introspective and also there are so many demands and distractions and you're refreshing AFI checking email tax. goes off that it's hard hard to know how to actually start having those types of conversations. Either with yourselves more with the other people in your life adjust practicing asking questions. I was just with a friend yesterday and he was like I know people ask. How am I was like what? That's a very general basic questions. I mean that's the point like what is it that you want to know. Do you want to know. Oh how my day was. Do you want to know how emotionally who's GonNa come up to you and just ask out of the blue. How are you doing emotionally intense? And he's like I know but I WANNA get to the heart of the issue and I was like okay. No one's GONNA start off that way but it is a good practice as you're having conversations to keep asking questions to go a little bit deeper as opposed to leaving things things at the surface level so instead of just saying like how are you fine. Great you can ask someone what's been going on with your week as they answer questions continuing to ask because I find that we all start off surface all of us. We all start off with just a quick answers and the quick shallow questions but the deeper we go the more people realize you're genuinely interested in me. You're genuinely interested in what I have to say or what I think. And when people feel as if they matter they tend to much more quickly be authentic antic and strip some of that surface to me. That's the easiest way to start is to make sure that whoever you're talking to knows that you you actually care about what they're saying and continue to ask deeper questions. The narrative intelligence. It's my favorite thing. It's really the core kind of principle that I teach in the book. Narrative intelligence is our ability to understand and see the stories. Is that are shaping us in shaping the world around us so we talk about emotional intelligence. IQ right but no one ever teaches us that everything we see everything we consume is telling us a story that is shaping how we think and how we view the world and all the industries that I worked in. They know this very well right. Like politics understands. The power story media understands the power of story even the tech industry right. I worked at snapchat snapchat literally created the vertical story format story being a frame for your experience. It's these are industries that understand using story to get people to think a certain way believe and behave a certain way and we the average person just sitting around consuming and have no no idea that that's happening so narrative intelligence is in some ways putting that power back in the hands of people and saying okay. When I'm watching this film? What is it actually you telling me? What is the premise based on? What is the narrative here? Yes it's a fun love story but it is telling me the story that there is one soulmate one person for me out of the billions of people on this planet. Do I believe that or not right like asking that question. That's narrative intelligence in practice. If someone is telling doing me that the best way to succeed is to hustle and make a lot of money and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and. They have this kind of very clear path to stop. and Ask yourself self before you just run in and do it. They say ask yourself. What are they telling me about success? What is the story here about my purpose about my identity? Do I believe that yes or no. It's not up to me to tell you whether it's good or bad but just the act and the art of saying what is the real story here. And how can I see it. And then make a conscious choice to accept did or reject it as I'm sure people are listening and probably going to be very inspired and are going to be like I didn't know who it was. I'm going to follow her now. Like I I like the story I like. I like the story. She's telling and they're GONNA buy your book. Yeah they're going to buy her out. But I think the question people are going to have is. How do you make money doing what you're doing like wizard job? What does your day to day look like? It's just found someone the other day who said Oh it's a portfolio career and I was like Oh what Buzzer buzzword. They just learned it means. I do several things but they are all tied to what we've just talked about. So how do I make money. I consult with organizations brands when they WANNA have important conversations whether with their employees or their consumers. I'll come in and help them design an event or design kind of a messaging campaign designed like we want to have an important conversation about issue. She acts or about topic x Eric. Help US strategize that come facilitate that. So that's one way. Second way is through content through books. Do podcasts through workshops and trainings things so I come in and I actually help people help staff. I helped regular individual people craft their story and understand how to better talk about their life their work and and then the last thing is like hosting and facilitating so moderating and interviewing. I love to ask questions so those are all the pieces. What sage house does which is my company is? It does all that like I said Ed specifically for brands and for organizations and so we'll come in and design the meaningful conversation that helps you write a story. Can you talk about the name. Yes so it's funny. I didn't think about this at first which I probably should have but being in California when I said Stage House people thought I meant like sage. That's why ass I was like no I. We have been known to sage office during the year and my home. So wasn't that but I guess it works too 'cause I am very spiritual and he did but no I meant it because sage as in a wise the person that we are generation in a society right now that is so overloaded with information and we have access to anything we want to know what our fingertips but wisdom is deeper than that it is. How do you apply that as how do you process that? How do you sort through that information? Fine Gems that help us live better lives that is what stages are and I think we have too few sages in too many influencers and so kind of what my mission is with these conversations and these spaces and this content ah is always to dig deep and get to the true wisdom of how we can live time for our last round favorite round. Okay row lightning first job working and physical therapy a PT assistant physical therapist assistant. Worst job the one that I had that I quit. WHO's the first phone call? You make when you get good news my husband. What about when you get bad news? My sister what's the most recent show you benched hip hop evolution on that flight. I'm obsessed it's really good. What's your biggest vice carbs? The French guests potato lava potato last book. You Read Atomic Habits by James Clear a layer DC ONO EH. How about L. A. or New York? Oh La. I can't stand. What's your shameless plug? Shameless plug is my book. You deserve the truth. My website heirlooms DOT com. Where you can sign up for workshops that I'm leading virtual workshops about the topics in the book awesome haircut? Thank you so much for being with us today. Thank you so much. Thanks for hanging out with us. Join US next week for another episode of skin from the couch. And if you can't wait until until then subscribe to our daily email newsletter that gives you all the important news and information. You need to start your day sign about the scam dot com that's the SK S K. I am DOT COM two. M's for a little something extra.

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Navigating Transitions in Unpredictable Times with Erica Williams Simon

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32:02 min | 1 year ago

Navigating Transitions in Unpredictable Times with Erica Williams Simon

"Say Crisis Creates Faith and you can use that face. However you choose, and I think that this crisis has created the largest amount of phase I've ever seen in my lifetime for that kind of rethinking and reimagining weather. It is you know seeing people are reimagining again. Certainly what their work life looks like but also. Balanced looks like if you believe in that phrase, also what their relationship Thia. What matters most to them? Their relationship with technology? I mean this is a time when you really can rethink everything that matters to you and the design of your life. and. That was today's podcast guest. CARECA Williams Simon former Washington. Political, lifelong, civil and human rights, activist, and author of you deserve the Truth Hi there I'm Celeste. Headley, welcome to women amplified from the conferences for women. This podcast brings you conversations with some of the most brilliant minds offering you invaluable advice and some inspiration to help you navigate life both in your career and at home. covid nineteen has left so many with lost jobs. Others have time to reflect and reevaluate life and priorities, so today's episode will help you navigate the transition in times of uncertainty Erica. William, Simon will draw on her personal experiences to share some practical strategies to help you. Shut out the noise. Overcome your fear and identify next steps, so let's get started. So this month we're talking about career choices and transitions, and this is your field of expertise I wonder if the strategy changes depending on whether you're making a career choice because you choose to, or whether like so many right now during this time of crisis in the nation in the world, whether the strategy is different when you're making the career choice or their career change because you have to yeah, that's a great question. I think we're in a moment when folks are thinking about whether because of economic necessity, professional facetti or just some sort of kind of overwhelming feeling that things need to change in their lives, folks are feeling that unexpected pressure to make change. Change happen really quickly and I. do think that there's a slight different the obvious differences that sometimes you're pushed into these moments of transition that you weren't seeking, but the decision making process about what that change looks like is actually the same, because regardless of how you arrive at that moment of transition or back moment of fitting. Once you're there. You then have the power to determine the direction. You have the power to determine aligned with both your nieve. Your material needs, but also your value, the passion to desires your vision for your life. What do I do with the circumstances that are around now? That can point me in the direction that I want to. To Go, and so the real change, the real difference between this type of transition and Kinda want initiated by your own desires is just how you approach it. It's an attitude. You're going to have that moment of perhaps warning if the life that you thought you were living, no longer exist. There's a moment for Greece. You're allowed that. There's a moment to kind of recognize that you weren't expecting to have to make shift here, but once you get there. However you get there. You still have that power to determine the next step. These are all things that you did and had to grapple with at a very young age. You completely changed careers at the age. Age Of twenty seven and I wonder if you would sort of walk us through how you decided that it was time to walk away from your job, and what happened along the way, so are yeah I started out my career. I'm a Washington DC area native, and I started out like I think most people in their twenties, certainly in the millennial generation, but I don't know that that's unique. I think a lot of folks who are young. Start off with wide, wanting to change the world, and so I kind of naturally. Thanks to a job. That great professor hooked me up with I found myself right after college working in one of the nation's leading. Human Rights coalition than with exposed to I was in a meeting with Jesse Jackson meeting with Bill Clinton. I'm exposed to this high level in the world of advocacy and immediately took to it like a fish to water because it. Took advantage of my skill that it was mission driven, which as a preacher's kid is very very important to me that anything that I do align with my values, and so I was well on my way, and through both grit and skill, but also I think luck in who I was around ended up in a really high profile position very early in my career, and so during the two thousand election I was on national television commentator on real time with Bill Maher. I was kind of the of millennial civic engagement, and was running a multi-million dollar program inside the nation bleeding progressive think tank working with Clinton's chief of staff. All these fancy things that look. Look really great on Instagram and make my resume really flashy, but the truth of the matter is I wasn't happy and I use the word happiness cautiously, because happy sounds very frivolous with the type of discontent that comes when there's something within you that has misaligned with life that you're living, and so while on the surface. It seemed like it was great, and I was on all the thirty under thirty list and everything was going well. I wasn't really taking advantage of Kuwait which is deeply creative person, which is a deeply spiritual person i. now talk about myself as someone who is not an indoor house cat. I need to be outside. I need to be. Moving around I. Don't like to be confined within one institution, also echina-. Although a day in my book I joked that in DC in Washington. They don't pay you and they pay you awards, which you can't then turn and pay your rent with so while my career looked amazing. I was still pretty financially insecure. As many many young people are, so all of those things contributed to the sense that okay. Perhaps this isn't the right career for me and I wish I could say that. At the time I made this beautiful strategic color coded plan. I would leave my career in the next six months, and I would explore and figure out next step. That's not what happened I got married came back from my honeymoon was so frustrated by my job and my boss, and just different stances that fell out of my control and I had my eat. Pray Love Jerry Maguire I'm walking away from it all moment I. I am Brusquely. quit which I don't recommend. I don't charge people to do that. But the process that is then underwent after that abrupt walking away is what I write about my book and what I tell people to do, and and really involved kind of figuring out first of all. How did I a driven ambitious deeply soulful mission aligned person and so quickly in my career at a place where I felt like this isn't right for me, and that involved unpacking all of the stories that I had told myself that I had believed that had shaped my understanding of who I was, what work was and should look like the perception that I. I was showing the world. My stories about money and success, and then painstakingly one by one rewriting them, and taking control of my narrative to help lead me towards the future that actually wanted for myself and the book you're talking about is from twenty nineteen. It's called you serve the truth. Change the stories that shaped your world and build a world changing life I wonder. How do we know the difference between jobs that were good at and he's will enjoy so many of my childhood references were preachers, a preacher's kid and I once heard of preacher define. Talked about purpose in this way he was pointing to a big floor speaker speaker. That sound comes out of conference or in a large room when he said you know what this speaker can function as a chair, it's thirty big I can sit on it, but just because I'm sitting on. That speaker doesn't mean that it is actually doing what it was designed to do. There is something greater that it can do and serve and be in the world, and that what purposes purposes not a function. But it is using something at its highest and best use, and so when I think of how we navigate our careers, so often led by function. What is it that I can do am capable up and I'm even good at doing, and we don't know until we try and I encourage a lot of experimentation. That's okay you don't have to have. It all figured out at once. Once, but once you start trying certain things realizing okay that this skills that is something that I have. But how does it make me feel when I use it? What am I seeking? What validation does it bring me? What is the impact? Says the impact matchup with my vision for my life, really the skill, but I'm encouraging folks to you unpack. All of this stuff is questioning. Questioning. The book is organized in a couple of core main questions to ask yourself as you're looking at not just your career, but your life to figure out if it is what you want it to be, and so as you're utilizing new skills and and looking at job that may take advantage of them. You have to interrogate and constantly asked how it making me feel what am. Am I gaining from it. What am I seeking and I think you don't know until you both do and also begin to really know yourself, and that's something that takes time, and I really would like to unpack that a little bit because it's something you talk about pretty eloquently, but I think also. There's this idea that you can figure out your ideal job by talking about it. Right by talking about your friends or by looking at the jobs, other people have and seeing what other people doing in saying. I would love that job and you laughed and I wonder. Why doesn't that work? It doesn't work of you. Don't know what you don't know. You. Don't know when you're looking at what you presume to be or assumed to be a dream job. What that actually is what it feels like what the sacrifices are, what the costs are what you see generally when you're looking at dream job than other people is the highlight reel you see the instagram feed you see. Fast Company article about successes. You don't see the behind the scenes and you don't know the person you don't know their motivation. Their dreams, their desires, what matters to them? She word his values. You don't know what they value and so what I've learned just again in life. Is that. Experience is the best teacher that does not mean. You have to go out and get fifty job, right? You still use wisdom. You still take advantage of the input that you have about your still your education what you enjoy, but there's some things you learn until you do and so I encourage a spirit of experimentation, or if you're Disney Fan, and you've seen Moana the idea of way finding right that you're not gonNa have a clear particularly in this economy in this world. I think we're seeing that right now. With the pandemic nothing is guaranteed. There is known yellow brick road anymore if there ever was one. One and so the idea that you can talk and plan and think your way into your dream like it's just unrealistic, because the world is so unpredictable, what you have to do is take steps and then put your finger up. Check the wind like Moana dead. Right and see what's happening. And how am I feeling? Where am I going in constantly making little pivot and evaluating the realities and gaining what he can along the way, and I think that's how you end up in the life that you want which ultimately, and this is the mind-blowing part for me. It may be different than what you think you want today. You only gain that perspective, not insight into what a new dream for yourself could be by living by experimenting and by doing so we're going to talk a little bit about your advice to be story smart, but I wanted to talk chest a little more about this pandemic, because I wonder understanding that this is a very tough time for a lot of people. Obviously, there are people suffering, and clearly we are losing. Losing a lot of people however is it possible for those of us who come through the other end of the crisis that this is an opportunity to think about exactly what you're describing to imagine a completely different life for yourself I mean just because the way finding people may have been on the same path that's leading them in the direction for ten years, and maybe this is a moment to step off. Off absolutely you always have to caveat by saying neither difficult difficult times that I'm not the kind of person that says Oh. This happened because or this happened so that something positive happen I. Don't believe that go instead of opportunity. I like to say crisis create space, and you can use that base. However you choose, and I think that this crisis has created the largest amount of space I've ever seen in. In my lifetime for that kind of rethinking, reimagining whether it is I, think people are reimagining again. Certainly what they're work. Life looks like, but also what they're replaced. Balanced looks like. If you believe in that phrase, also what relationship look like what matters most to them, their relationship with technology I mean this is a time when you really can rethink everything that matters to you and the design of your life. And so as it pertains to your career like we said in the beginning of this conversation I'm just going to happen whether you want them to or not, right, the economy is going to be radically different. When we all go back to work. Some of the job won't even be there anymore. Some jobs will have changed so that is just a fact, but regardless of whether what was before remained. This is. Is An opportunity in a moment when we can think about. How do we WANNA live? When we come on in the you WanNa live the same length who were living before and and the answer to? Maybe you know what I liked the way life was, but for those who are looking and saying I've always wanted to XYZ or I didn't know what was wrong, but I knew something didn't feel right. This is the time to explore. This is the time to ask yourself. Questions and kind face the future, and it's a good way to also face issues. You're left with fear. This is a scary time, right? It can be a lot of being a variety about not knowing what tomorrow holds, and I think using this as a moment to reimagined and to dream, and to plan for something new is a way to balance that fear and anxiety hope Erica before we talk about what it means to be story smart. We're GONNA take a short break and we'll be right back. If you find yourself struggling to navigate uncertain career transitions. You're going to want to add the boss up podcast to your playlist right now. 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What is the first couple of things they need to do to get started the first thing. Thing is find out what stories you have believe I always say you gotta understand where you are and where you come from before you can figure out where you're going, and so take the time to look at the pieces of your life that you're trying to change so in this in this case your career and really ask yourself okay. What are the things that I believe to be true about myself about my value about work about my talent like? Like literally take a notebook and starts writing new things down. What do I believe? My talents and skills are what do I believe I am good at doing? What do I believe about money and my role as a provider. Ask Yourself these questions that you can begin to assess okay. What shape where I am because only when you do that, you then decide okay. Which of these things need to change? Are Those true? They align with what I actually. Actually believed to be true now at this stage in my life, and what do I wanna change around that, so hearst is getting on a notebook, and just doing some good old south interrogation and figuring out what stories you have believed up until this point, then ask yourself the question once you've got that list. Do these serve me have? They served me how they made me feel? Does believing that excessive tied my income? How that worked out for me? Otherwise I feel you gotta make an assessment glitter bad. Has It worked for you once? You've done that the fun part is the what could a new life look like for me and this is where I find in conversation. Most people get stuck if they okay. I'm clear that I believe these things and they came from cool. They came from my parents, and they came from media and clear on all of that, but I'm not clear on what to do after that point. That's why I say you can have some fun. You can start reading start exploring looking at different career paths. Even just said you can't fully know until you do it yourself. You can do some research, right? You don't have to jump out there blinds. You can start looking around at the women that you admire the careers that you might not have even known existed and getting as much information collecting as much data as you can just see based on who you know you are. What were appeals to you? And then you can go, and the book goes on and on talk about the practical ways of practicing these new stories. We talked about change and transition. That doesn't mean you immediately. Go Out and get a job, or you immediately do what I did, which was pick up and move across country like that very dramatic in basketball. When you think about what pivoting actually is their small movement. You don't even move your back foot. One of your feet stay planted exactly exactly, and that's what I heard. You can make these shifts in direction without having to immediately transform your entire life, and so I say that changes the practice and these are muscles that you have to exercise so I would encourage folks that exercise the muscle of using a new skill that you know you have put. A job has never taken advantage on before or exercise the muscle of leadership. If that's something that you're looking for more of your career. Career but you haven't had the opportunity to put that into practice in your current work environment so I think practice some of these changes these narrative changes before you have to go out and again we don't know when this pandemic will end, or what the next six months to year hold for the country, but you can start practicing some of these shifts now in your daily life. You're quite honest in your book about mistakes that you made that. You wish you had done differently i. I wonder since then since you've been advising others on transitions in their careers water at some of the common stumbling blocks. I think one of them was the one. I just mentioned which are kind of believing that. When you're ready to changes, you should just throw everything in the air and do it all at once. Right and that you're gonNA feel immediately different if you get a new job or if you've got a new partner, or if you move, and I always said that the first. First thing you have to do with the internal work internal before external, because you can get a job and a partner, and whatever it is and feel the same way you did before. If you haven't actually change your mindset and the way that you view yourself life in the world, so one mistake is not doing the internal work. I the second is expecting a new life to happen overnight I. Think we've grown up with this narrative I referenced earlier the Yellow Brick Road we've expected. Changed be very chronological or have driven process. I'll take one step, and then we'll be progress and I'll take another step, and it'll be progress, but I've seen people who when they believed that become completely rattled when the staff they took actually is a bit more like a step backwards and step forward great. The best analogy I can give is A. We think of life in terms of football. We think that we're supposed to move the ball forward forward forward, and then any backwards motion as a loss or failure, but the rest of the world play soccer, right. Here you actually move the ball backwards in order to kick it farther and kick it forward, and so that's another tip that I. Give people is to make sure that you understand. You may sometimes takes us backwards in order to turn this in your life, you may take a job that pays you less right now, or you may think a job that you thought was going to be perfect, and it turned out your miserable there. That's okay, right? Life is about figuring this kind of stuff out used masterclass called tear down the walls. It's one of a number of classes that you either still teacher or used to teach. Teach and I wonder what walls you advising people to tear down. Yes, in the book I give an example or a narrative about a crooked room right so imagine if you were in a wrong and this is an actual field Seti experiment that was done in the nineteen forties. If you were in a room and everything with the painting on the wall, the floor as a tear, everything was Kurkin, but you were told to stand up straight. What would happen in the study, most of the people reported themselves as being straight when they were really actually bent over at about thirty five to forty five degree angle, and the lesson being that when everything around you as crooked, there is no way for you to stand up straight without feeling crazy right and so the wall of that crooked room. Our stories are the lies that we believed about ourselves about our identity about work about. About the world and tearing down the walls. What I encourage people to do is start to tear down those stories of the walls that you've built up around your potential, and this goes for individuals. They're making career, life changes, or also. I do a lot of work in the social impact sector speaks to that as well. I'm of the belief that we have about how the world has to work, and how politics has to operate. What is the process by which we can tear down some of those walls to actually get free and live a liberated life and one that is directed more by values and principles, then by the stories that we've always been taught this internal work that you're talking about and that you advise people start with. How does one do that? You're talking about changing perspectives right whether it be tearing down a wall. Wall or starting from? That's really hard, and it's especially hard to do in isolation. So are there things you suggest to people on how to get started on that kind of work? Absolutely, if I had to give one kind of low hanging fruit cat, the first thing that you can do any day, no matter where you are. And what are your weather? Even if you're by, yourself, can quarantine right, I. Pay attention what you consume and immediately begin at what you consume a lot of the question how do I? Hear my own voice or find my own voice I? The first thing you gotTa do is quiet. The other voices that are louder in your head and most of those voices come from the content that we consume come from social media. Come from the books that we read the magazines billboards all of the input. I think we're living in the wild wild west of stories that we are fish in water or are everywhere, but many of them. We make a choice it can. We think that we are scrolling on instagram or looking at facebook justice, they connected to people or being fired, but inspiration literally comes from the Latin in Ferrara to breathe into and by challenge folks and take a look at who they're following. Take a look at what they're consuming and find out. Does it actually breathe life into you? That makes you more active is breathing life into that is making you pursue your own goals and dreams. or the creating N. B., or is it except foreign right? Is it just things that you look at it? Actually make you feel less than our eyes are just the greatest gateway that we have to story, and so if your goal is to change your perspective, the first thing that you can do is begin to make better choices about what you look at what you spend your time engaging. Engaging with you have a lot of advice for people, not only those who are ready to completely change their lives around, but those who you've mentioned already. The people who actually are pretty happy with where they are, but maybe they need to change the way they communicate their story. How does that work start? How do you find a better way to tell your own story so a lot? Lot of work I do in that regard has to do with identifying your voice, your unique voice in the world, and then once you figured out what your voice is. You can figure out the best way to share it by that may be. What platform are you a public speaker? But I think a lot of people begin the premise of I have to talk certain way or have A. A certain energy would be a good storyteller or share what I have to offer the world, and that's actually not true. Good communication, effective communication that it just means, does your audience do the people that you're speaking to come away? Understanding what you intended them to understand that that's not about having a loud voice or a regular physical stance or using the best word that's about the intention. In the confidence with which you articulate who you are, and what you live, which again started with the internal work which we already talked about you gotTa. Know it, but once you know it. ENCOURAGED PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNICATIONS train boys training to have some the call core message. If you're gonNA talk to someone doesn't matter how long for five minutes fifty minutes doesn't matter. And they to remember only one thing that you sad only one sentence, what would that be and this is of course within context not like you don't have to have one for your whole life, but whether we're talking about you applying for a job or we're talking about you have a relationship conversations or each of those I. Encourage folks depending on what their goal is. is to identify a Cormac one thing that they want someone to remember that they've communicated and then from there we build out if you get one course engines down. What is the essence of your story? Even help the moral of your story. What is the thing that you want someone to come away feeling? Write that down and that takes time right figure that out. Out wordsmith it test it out on friends. Yes, that core sends him down and once you do that, then you can start building out whatever supporting points around that. What are the examples for my own life that give that one sentence contacts? What are the words in languages and ideas that I can share that connects that one sentence to my audience. There's a whole host. Host of strategies, but I think the core message is one of the key learning module by I teach people to be able to really articulate who they are and what they want in the world. Before we go, Erica I had an interesting conversation with a friend of mine. WHO said there's stuff I need to do to make sure okay when the pandemic is over. And every morning I get up and CEO Cam and do it today, but every day I. don't because I'm paralyzed and I. Wonder What you say to people right now. Who are just afraid? They're overwhelmed and frightened, and not making changes or preparations, because they feel can't yeah. Yeah, there are a couple of things I give yourself. The space I went to a therapist once told me I said Oh. I'm so frustrated I'm feeling this really bad thing. I'm jealous of someone a terrible is. Don't feel that I've been upset all week. Week that I'm jealous and she was like well. What happened if you gave yourself forty five seconds to just sit and do and be jealous and thank all the bad thoughts and I was like I can't do that. That's terrible. That's against what I believe. A Matha Kinda woman Blah Blah Blah you know just plus do that together. And we sat for forty five seconds, and silence was so different comfortable, but I let all these bad negative, jealous, envious thoughts through my mind, and when it was over, she said now now what? Sounds like what do you mean, said okay, now you've done that. You've experienced it. You left the feeling happen, and we can move on and I took that lesson for the rest of my life that sometimes it's okay to heal, and you have to give yourself that space and most of the anxiety and the stress you feel around it. Be guilty field for feeling. Right so in that. Is Okay I should be doing more right now but I'm not. I'm so frustrated that I can't and I realized. I know it shouldn't actually moving. and. That's keeping you in that state so the first I would say give yourself some time. I. Don't know what that looks like for you. That's a day a week. Every morning you have been called morning pages I. write out everything that's in my head whenever you need to do. Allow it and be okay and be non judgmental about that. And then start to give yourself basis pack smallpox not again. I have to read an entire book a week or two. We write my resume by tomorrow, but small babysat this week. I'm going to explore. Spend my time when I'm online instead of just curling instagram and looking at people who have a different life than me I'm gonNA actually really intentionally. Start Looking at career path. GonNa look this week I. Don't have to make any dramatic changes and start mapping out those baby set and again. If you miss a guy, that's okay, do pretty much any change in life I've been told it works that way for weight loss I would know but. You know babysat and being really gentle and graceful with yourself. Yes, the world is changing right now. You know we don't exactly know what the future is going to hold, but if we tell her every day, you will be okay. You will be okay. You've got what you need. Take care of yourself. Give yourself the space to imagine as a dream and to learn, and I'm a firm believer that where you're supposed to be is where you'll end up Eric William Simon. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. That was transitions guru. Medium maker Entrepreneur Erica Williams Simon. 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Pop Culture Cosmos #239- Is Amazon's New Show Really Invincible, A New Nintendo Switch Could Be On The Way, and Superstore Is Now Closed!

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Pop Culture Cosmos #239- Is Amazon's New Show Really Invincible, A New Nintendo Switch Could Be On The Way, and Superstore Is Now Closed!

"Thanks for listening to the pop culture cosmos and the pcc multi-diverse checkup more great podcast. Today on one of these awesome affiliate networks. You're listening to a geeks network. Podcast you're listening. Eso network your station for all things tangible network check it out. Tangible network dot com. Listen to this. Show the latest episode every time. A proud member of the geek network. The opinions expressed are those of each individual. Check out all the other. Geeky podcast over it gonna geek network dot com and get ready because deaconess begins in three two one off. This week's episode is amazon's latest show truly invincible. We close the doors on superstore and a nintendo switch pro on the way all this and more as you once again delve into the pop culture cosmos. Welcome and we're back with another episode of the pop culture cosmos. This is gerald blasts for from pop culture cosmos. Game source insight. Sports fantasy football and the lakers fast-break. We truly appreciate everyone out there. The solver shows and if you can please give us a five star review on apple podcasts plus if you can like share subscribe or do anything that you can to support us right here at the pop culture cosmos it is sincerely appreciate it but when mia pop culture cosmos without my good friend. It's our own josh. Josh of humanity. Media ed pop culture cosmos. You gotta catch what he's doing today. Abc's shows topic clips and the super bowl games cast. It is my good friend. It is josh peterson. What's up man. What is going on. It's been a big week for releases. That's been kind of a constant thing here lately. Kinda seen some good stuff coming around and we won't be talking about a new latest release for a good show. That's come out amazon's invincible. An animated show adult in nature. So you can't let the kids watch it. But it's an animated superhero which we saw the first three episodes to. We're going to talk about that coming up. Plus we are also going to be talking about ghosts. Hashimah a new movies being adapted. Good idea or bad one coming up on the show. Ross are going to be talking about things when it comes to the game. Stop board and after the game stops stock fiasco and all that the game stop board. I think according to josh and according to several news reports out there has checked on out. So we'll talk about the future game. Stop coming up here in a second. Well you've also got speaking of video games a possible. New nintendo switch pro in the future. We'll talk about the prospects of that and what we would like to see with the new nintendo switch coming up as well and of course. I mentioned earlier as far as in the intro. The end of superstore happened last week. One of my all time. Favorite shows and i will go into more depth on exactly why this is a show that it did too soon and what it brought to the table for american broadcasting coming up later in the program as well what you've been up to as far as pop culture's concert i've just been trying to keep up with all of it. You know i was telling my wife earlier that like this is a It's hard there's so many things coming out at one set. Like i've been pretty busy this week grading papers some teacher and all that but like if i stop watching things for one day and like say i wanna play video games. At night i sit down and play video games. Stop watching something for one day. I fall several hours behind on television. It's absolutely insane. It is absolutely insane. So i mean you cannot go ahead and take a day off because if you do you're gonna miss something. You're going to miss a lot of stuff out there so it is going to be something we're gonna have to keep up to date on and we try to the best we can't hear the pop culture cosmas. You can't take a day off. I can't even take it nine off gotta be chicken semi scanning because if you missed somethin' you're out and about and people jump on it ahead of you but again there's so much to cover and we tried to do that here of the pop culture. 'cause we cannot thank you enough for your support in doing. So but what are those new pop. Culture outlets is from amazon and with the boys being such a massive hit. An adult superhero series of another kind seemed to be well in order so want to hear thoughts man on amazon's invincible which opened up late last week. I chance to check out the first three episodes. I know you've got to check out some of it as well. What are your initial thoughts on. Amazon's invincible so amazon's invincible. I had read the comic book. Like i'm a big fan of the comic books and who's the T the writer of invincible. Robert kirkman margaret. Yeah there's a ton of walking dead cameos regular characters. That are from the walking dead. Stephen young the again award nominee is the lead character in this. Jackie simmons in this. I mean there's a lot. Mark hamill also makes an appearance as well but a ton absolute ton of walking dead actors that are involved in this from lennie james to send equal art. Green does the did the names go on and on as far as the walking dead fans out there the twa defense. I'm hardly but i want to hear your thoughts on amazon's invincible. So you know it's funny. I sat down to watch this last night. And at first glimpse it feels like a saturday morning cartoon. When i was a kid i would wake up early. Get down on the couch gate my bowl free pebbles or whatever it was and i'd sit there and i watch like spiderman and the animated adventure the superman justice league when that became a thing. That's what this felt like. It had of nostalgic feel to me. Then as. I'm sitting there watching this like i start to feel about halfway through the episode. I started to feel like burnt out on superheroes. Like i in. I thought to myself like is this. Because i'm being over saturated with superhero related media right now because the key. We got falcon winter soldier. Wanda vision just came out. There's the boys I'm watching there with my wife and sat there wondering like is this due to like superhero fatigue. What's going on. But then i realized that. Like you know and i kind of realized this when i was reading the comic books but it has a lot of from superhero stories. That have been used before you look at. If it seems to have like a lot from superman it takes an awful lot from dragon. Ball z the planet conquerors. Right or which struggles you i. I'm i'm pretty sure. Inspired by superman justly has adventures thrown in there and a murder mystery tabu as well. So there's so many elements from getting superhero things that have been incorporated into this. And like i guess seeing it on screen really brought it to life and i sat there thinking when the episode was over. I thought to myself like. I don't know if i really wanna watch anymore of this. And like i remember being surprised by a lot of the events when reading the comic books but just seeing it on screen made me feel like like. I didn't need to see it in this type of media. Does that make sense. Yeah it makes sense. It's something that i like. I don't overly enjoy it. But i i have positive vibes on it. I will continue to watch it. There's still some type of like you said detachment from what we're seeing. That's not live action. Maybe i is just kind of weird to explain as well. But i like it but i don't love it. I what. I'm seeing so far what i'm trying to say. I'm enjoying it enough to keep continuing to watch it. But i've got enthralled by it not in captured within the university i i think a lot of it is still forced upon us as far as concern a lot of the superhero trump's that were there within the confines of it. Were kind of unnecessary. And i wanted to mention as well speaking superheroes. i'll come up later in the back half of the show with my daughter ellen. Glass for our thoughts on episode two falconer soldier. But getting back into invincible. I think it's good. But i think it's still has got a lot of work. It needs a lot of help to a higher level. Yes i agree with that ended. And i mean let me ask you this. Do you think that it's due to. If you notice an invincible. Right he does his. There's no tragedy with his origins right like there is a tragedy but like as far as developing his powers like his tragedy doesn't happen till after his powers are developed as well. Yeah i'm sure we'll be president in the next couple of episodes but with him like he didn't have to like work for you didn't have any type of like dark occurrence happen. They just like happened right. He's at work and he has a trash bag and chuck's thing into space and goes. Oh cool like he was expecting it. You know there's no like because of his lineage chummy but he was told it was going to happen and they were. It was how for him. It happened later in. Life is a has an as a teen as someone in high school usually happens earlier. I guess for people who have his lineage per se because his dad comes from another planet one scene. It's not there once seen it's there and then he goes right into training and nobody's really excited about it but just like okay. We're going to go ahead and do it then. Some other things happened as far as the serious nature was going on and with j. k. Simmons character omni man and does something that we don't really get an explanation on the piece are there to make something really special. But it needs to be developed a lot more and upcoming episodes. Yeah did you watch all three episodes. Only watch one but like i know where it's going right. We're like he bites his dad. And then there. It's basically the dads from a racist like planet enslavers exactly like the saints and dragon ball z. But i hope that they latch onto something that truly makes his character special like even his suit they had made this big deal about wanting an iconic suit in this story and it's there's nothing really iconic about this character at this moment in time so like i really hope that you know on this media format that they develop the character they like they make you care about the character and i know that it might be hard in the maybe like you said we're feeling detached because it is a cartoon but again that's just the way they chose to make this show so that i hope that they find a way to really make you care and feel for this character where there's no way they could get this kind of star power on a live action for matt allen could got them all together with all the different projects that these individuals do so i mean that's i think one of the things that brings people in this huge all star cast. That's in there especially if you're walking dead fan. You're you're going to see a lot of people that are still a lot of names that are not in the walking dead. That are still there that you know like mark. Hamill jacob simmons. They're big names. Jon hamm is in there as well. So i mean there's a lot of these big names in their lending their voices. I think that's what it's going to bring people. Initially what's going to keep people in just again the development of the story and the murder mystery and the things of that nature that are behind that was going on in this super realm. But i don't know again as you're still a detachment for me at will. I ever grow to be very fond of the show. We'll see we'll see. I like what i saw. But i don't love what i saw. I think is probably what. I'm trying to say that this year. Yeah so i if you are out there you know and you like invincible. I would recommend reading the comic books. Comic books are equally as graphic as this. But kinda give you a bigger taste of what to expect as you watch more and more of this show and they are very well written. It was just shocking to see all that stuff happened in like a alive motion format. I think that's kind of what took me by surprise. Not a lot of this but again the comic books are good. So i'm hoping that they find a way to really make you latch onto the character but i will probably watch more of it but it's just it's not the top of my list of things to watch right now. What are your thoughts out there on. Amazon's invincible do you feel invincible. When you watch it or do you think there's a little bit Maybe not so many great things about it or there's weaknesses there that you need to see improved upon shares her thoughts pop culture cosmos. Adia dot com. Hey this chat ghostbusters. And you're listening to pop culture cosmos podcast for the latest news and information analysis and opinions on the los angeles lakers and the nba. Check out the lakers fast-break podcast today. On wherever you get your podcast. My friend is still much more to talk about on today's program including some interesting bore changes happening. In fact i think did the entire game stop this week. After the lasko with the game stop stock and all that did the entire board. Just check on l. I don't think it's the entire board. A lot of them are on their way out. Like is the cfo as leaving. Yeah that i hurt before. Our good friend reggie. We tried multiple times to get on the show. He's just a busy guy. He's stepping down from the game support after being there for a year. The former walmart. Ceo william simon and petsmart presidents nco. James cement sick. I think that's how you pronounce his name. They're stepping down and so i'm wondering I mean obviously you know more about that biz. Ceo that just came on from chewy. We on yeah he staying on so they think that this is a move by him like he's he's trying to push game stop into a more like digital focused stores so they're going to have their person stores that sells collectibles in games. But they're trying to make a big push for like all mine sales. Everyone keeps comparing them to amazon even to like completely different companies. But i mean they've they've been there online for years. I'm bob stuff off of online. It's just their presence is just not what target or walmart or amazon is and when you compete against those individual companies and they can it to you faster than what game stop can get it to you. It's going to be hard to compete on that level personal right and to me like what will drive me to say target or amazon as opposed to game stop is the fact that if you buy a used game from game stop dot com. There's no guarantee that it's going to come with the case. You know they they have those little and the game may or may not come with with game case in amazon they show you a picture of what the game looks like target. They show you are walmart. They show you pictures of what us games look like game doesn't do that. So that's the only thing that would drive me elsewhere but other than that. Like i think that game stop really has the potential to babba digital presence to drive people from target two game opera from amazon to game. Stop they just have these little tiny things that need fixing. What are your thoughts because you you ran a video game store so what what does it take to be successful. Especially you know in twenty twenty one. Well first of all you gotta be active within the community that you're reaching out towards that's the thing you can't just have an even that and this goes for online to you can't just have site pop it up and there you go. You've got to be active in the community. Tell people that it's so important to be a part of your experience. Tell them why they need to stop by your location. Tell them why. Stop by your online site with game. Stop again behind the eight ball on that because you can go ahead and advertised but when amazon target and walmart are spending millions and millions of dollars already on advertising for their online stores again years cop behind the on that you have to go ahead and pitch to the gamers ditches. The gamers hard as far as game stop once again becoming that destination as it once was in the last part of the two thousands and the earlier what twenty seven twenty twelve twenty thirteen were game. Stop was the place to go. Then through matters of getting online downloadable games and also just game stop and the way they treated customers themselves. They've fallen on hard times the latter half of the decade. And that's by their own. Doing they just didn't adapt as well at the time. And that's what you see a lot with these brick and mortar stores. I mean i have been with two major brick and mortar stores in my life that could not adapt to the ever changing marketplace at both fell by the wayside because of it so game stop is for years. We've been talking about on this show that they've been hemorrhaging money right and left losing hundreds of millions of dollars and it's just something that they've never been able to catch up with and and within the is gamers you have to change them as far as their attitude towards because right now they could just go the playstation store ignore the xbox store and excise games past doesn't make anything easy for them as far as game stops concerned because with one price you can get over one hundred games right now at your leisure that you don't even have to go ahead and buy game stops so that makes it even worse for them so with that subscription model or if you go to steam you can go to steam. And they're running sales all the time makes it so easy to get on a lot of these games that they sell a game stop so the challenges there my friend i just like i said i wasn't trying to be mean to you or anybody else out there that took advantage of the game. Stop stock price. Ooh my concern was the store and the company itself was benefiting the company and we see two months later after. This all happened that it hasn't helped a company one bit. Yeah okay so you know my thoughts on that. Is you know you're talking about microsoft game. Saw right they had some kind of contract. Our they're minimizing the sony section expanding the xbox section. They're supposed to be more coming out of starting quarter four. I think so. I don't. I don't know when we're gonna see stuff like from that. I know game. Stop was rumored lee Having discussions with steam. Over something. So i don't know what that's all going to look like. In regards to the stock. I owned six and a half shares of game. Stop and you know yeah. I've made some money off of them. You know and every time the price goes down all like cell and then rebuy in once it hits the bottom of that valley but you know the everyone keeps thinking. There's going to be like a big squeeze or whatever you wanna call. It is funny. All the chatter on the internet was like it was like the hardest earnings conference to to get into their legitimate generalists. That could not get into the conference because the red investors were were in your earnings report that the their quarterly earnings report and supposed to have for their shareholders. Yes so there you know i just. I can't reading things where were having a hard time. Like getting access to this This hell to buy more shares right so you know. And they didn't really like say anything they just kind of gave you an update on what's happening. And then the next day the stock dropped like one hundred and twenty dollars and then eventually on. Friday started a slow like crawl. It's way back up to what it was so people still have hope in it. My disappointment is the fact that game stop themselves did not take the time to really use this it frenzy to their advantage like they didn't know one took the time to because i don't really think it's the the people investing i don't think it's their fault. I think it's the fault of by game. Stop that nothing really. Came out of this because they didn't take the time to like say. Hey you're supporting us. Let us support you like they didn't. There was no connection between the two events. And i think that that's kind of weird. New is a thing that they i don't know they just. They lost a golden opportunity there but the people investing still have all this faith in them. Well let me ask you this when it comes to you know going to game stop and it was nice. Some of the investors buying them lunch going into the game stops buying people kiss launcher. Giving them one hundred bucks and that's that's nice and very genuine of them but it doesn't help the overall thing it doesn't help the overall company as a whole and what i want to ask you this when you're talking about the optimism for game stop. I don't think you're talking about the company. I actually think you're just talking about the stock and not the company itself. When i hear you. I hear about your your optimism for the stock more than i hear the company itself because i still think we are in the same situation. We were in when we talked about game. Stop a year ago when he started buying such low level is that the company is still hemorrhaging. A lot of money and still figuring out a way one hundred percent out of this mess that they're currently in well to me. I think that they're kind of connected. Yeah i mean right now. Like i'm very hopeful. The stock go because that'd be oh they're not the same. They're not one of the same. Stocks rise doesn't has led to the company's rise. No no that's that's what i was saying like. They need to manage of this whole situation which they could have. I think they could have done some stuff. That would have changed. How they look right now. had they had they like connected to events at all but shares as a company in themselves and then sold it off to provide boost these a lot of that debt. Hey there is a start so actually something. They're talking about right there they're talking. They're supposed to be some meeting coming up but the people in on the game stop board. They have all these changes they wanted to. They're thinking about selling stock in order to get the capital to fund those changes and there's a lot of people who after reading that had commented that like. Hey game stops a good long-term investment because there is hope for them and so. I think that the outlook on the company itself is slowly changing. But we're not seeing a lot of that happen instantly it it's all like hearsay at the moment so i mean unless in the next couple of weeks we get some kind of big announcement on what the company's it's hard to believe any of it you know until we actually see it happen. Well it's going to be something interesting to see how this plays out. And i don't mean to be hard on game stop itself. I mean as we have been for many years now you. You're a loyal fan of game. Stop and basically they ran you out because of their customer service which you would kept saying you know. And i i went in there. And i've had experiences where they didn't have game knowledge when you're asking to go ahead and pre-order uncharted for and they're asking you which consoles is for like it's only on playstation. You don't know this you're supposed to be the experts I mean that's something right. There that had has often played them as far as the concern. There they get in the individuals. There you know a lot yeah. They're supposed to be knowledgeable. They're supposed to be courteous and they're just not there's they're just there to pick up a paycheck and a lot of times for their and that's something that that mindset has to change it for years it's been deteriorating a game stop in it has to change because all these brick and mortar stores game stop could just one day just say we're going to get rid of a brick and mortar stores because we've seen that with other retail outlets for sure. Yeah right now because they closed all the all the geeks stores and close down so right now. It's just a matter of time until that happens but then again like they were kind of onto something with what they're doing. Is you go to like the malls right. You see the hot topics. Have all the collectible of anime shirts and all that stuff Box lunches another company that has the collectibles and the pop culture clothing so they don't get me started on box lunch. 'cause i walked into a box lunch the day the day that blade runner two thousand forty nine was one of the box office and ask. Did you have any bladerunner substance said. What's that oh my gosh jeeze. It's like when when people ask who pearl jam or near vonda is it just makes me nauseous so i mean it's you walk in a pop culture store. They don't know pop culture. That era tastes so anyways. I said we're we're going to have to see what's going with game stop. I don't mean to be a pessimist when it comes to the game. stop. But i've seen stuff that's happened has trended down for the company for over a decade. I'm the person that has see it to believe in order to see a game. Stop going the right direction and if they want to go ahead to an online fully orly's online majority direction. They're going to have to make a lot of changes and they're going to have to impress a ton of people that already have a lot of convenience and a lot of ways. They could buy their products already so the mountains there my friend and i don't know we'll see but game stop certainly has a challenge in front of them and i know it's pretty daunting what are thoughts out there on game stops changes and the future for game. Stop as a whole outside of the stock the stock. I know everybody's watching. But what about the company itself. Let us know pop. Culture cosmos and yahoo dot. Com will quickly before we hit the brake. And then my conversation with ellen glass route on episode two falcon winter soldier. One ask you real quick my friend on the ghost of tsushima. There's an movie now. In adaptation and early production. Sony has green lit. This and i think of all the productions out there and you know. I'm big fan of hopefully mass effect production coming alight with henry. Cavill as lead you know. We talked to endlessly about the uncharted movie. Which i'm not in love with tom holland. But i'm glad to see uncharted. Coming to fruition in some form or fashion would love to see scott. We's with actually play that role of nathan drake but then again another story. You know the sonic the hedgehog success. I wanna ask you this. Go sister shema to me and at story and the world at university credit and you played the game. I really think of all the video game projects out there. Gears of war halo the whole nine yards as far as series or movie. I think this could ultimately be one of the best. Yeah this this might sound very contradicting. But i think for it to be successful. They need to not advertise it as a video game adaptation. I don't blame you. I would too. Yeah yes 'cause. I mean it. The game engine hole right well in people are going to have expectations for this game is grounded in historical contexts. Like it has all the places are real. The wars are real. I'm not sure about the characters but you know it. It's grounded in a historical setting like it is based on a story a round events that we're actually going on so that being said they should use that to market the film like market as kingdom of heaven or a last samurai type project as opposed to like from the creators of mortal combat like. Don't pigeonhole it you know make it make. It seem like something that is being made for. People who like historical epochs right. If you're a fan of gladiator robin hood or again kingdom of heaven. Whatever it is this is a movie that you're gonna wanna watch like. Don't advertise it as being based on the bestselling. Ps five game. Because i think that that's going to be what really drives the project into the ground that being said directors really scott for sure is the first one that comes to my but i think that it should be a japanese director as opposed to a white directors like look at milan had the potential to be such a beautiful film and they just totally messed that up. It's a very culturally sensitive story. And i would hope that they keep it in line with what it is. You know what it's meant to be and that's scares me. You know the possibility of them. Not doing that like oh. Let's get quentin tarantino on this thing. You know i just. I don't want to see that happen. Go sister shema is a top rated game. It was one of the highest rated games of last year. But it's a game that's not well known yet not well known outside to the general public so marketing it as a video game movie. Pigeonholes it to that Yeah i think it would pigeonhole it into the fact that you know people would say oh. It's a video game movie. it's going to be dumb as going to have some dumb action in there. You go if you just pitch it as a movie straight up movie and very loosely tied and you create the whole story can be based off the video game for game story per se. you know. obviously it's very good. That's why why they're utilizing but if you advertise it as a video game movie. I think you're just narrowing your audience. I think in this case you should go ahead and just pitch it as ghosts shema at go from there because if you go ahead and you just confine it with with space and say it's a video game movie. I think a lot of the general audience has was go says she. I don't know. I never play the place island playstation. What's all that comes into play and just it becomes too confusing for bothering for people you know it. Just go ahead and pitch it as a ghost of tsushima movie point blank. Yeah yeah. I completely agree. Because that's i think that's a lot of the reason video game. Adaptations get so isolated. Because people go. I didn't play the game. I don't have any history with that. Was the big downfall with the warcraft. Movie you remember that like they gave you know baxter on is the they you went into their with them. Assuming that you have played you know hours and hours of warcraft. They barely gave you like what the lower of the story was. And because of that it fell hard on. Its face while. I'll tell you what i'm interested to see what happens as it goes to. Shema movie develops. Of course i think it should remain as far as within cultural spectrum. You know asian director. Asian writers it should be within the realm of that world culture just to make sure you get that discipline down pat and the spirit of the game intact but we want to hear your thoughts on a possible ghost shema movie coming to life. Pop culture cosmos at yahoo dot. Com will coming up next ellen glasfurd. She's gonna share her thoughts on episode two falcon winter soldier. And then we return right after that with josh nine talking about that tend to switch pro possibly and then also was well the end of superstore. This is the pop culture qassams Video game boxer at the stories behind the covers in which we talked to the illustrators and artists who are responsible for gaming's most iconic images. Don't forget to check out what you game. box are. The stories behind the covers celebrating gaming's most iconic images from the people who created them this and many more from rob mccallum films. Are i know. Rebecca the program. It's gerald glance for come right back at your the pop culture cosmos a windy window pop culture consciousness without talking about the hottest show anywhere right now and that's on disney plus. It is found in the winter soldier. But here today to talk about episode two aunts and spoiler rick things that are happening within. It is a great girl. Indeed you gotta go ahead and check her out every time that she's on the program each and every week right here at the pop culture was. She is the premier pop culture expert in the gosford household. It is element glass and ellen. Great to have you back on once again. Your initial thoughts on the second episode of falcon and the winter soldier. I really liked it. I'm glad to see salmon finally together. I think this episode really did a good job with the story and a lot of good action scenes. And i really enjoyed it. I did this well. I thought it was a very good episode. I was kind of geeking out as it were. And as i noted you was really getting excited about this because their banter back and forth i. I really enjoyed that part of it for me. I thought it was not forced. I really enjoyed. it's far. they're back and forth. I think it's something that's if marble fans are where their situation as far as their competition towards the affection of steve rogers during those movies than ultimately not liking each other during the course of what happened in those movies but ultimately having some semblance of respect for each other and then by the end of the episode there firmly working together to find out what's going on with the flags masters. I felt to be an advantage for the episode. When you look at it. I mean obviously you were not familiar with the buddy cop movies of the eighties and nineties. Or the buddy cop. Television shows whether there's banter back and forth. Did you enjoy the banter. Back and forth between falcon and the winter soldier. I really did enjoy the banter between salmon. Bucky salmon bucky you know. They don't really like each other but they have to work together to get the job done. And i think that presents a really interesting combination there and i think the writing was great for their banter and anthony mackie and sebastian stand both did a really good job and i thought it was all really funny. Very good what are the things that fell can. Winter soldier did once they found out of the existence of these flag smashers and they're super strength. They decided to go ahead. The winter soldier did an informed. Falcon the existence of isaiah bradley. Who was one of the original captain. America's don't want to hear your thoughts on isaiah bradley hirose introduced and acknowledgement of him. And what he did previously in the marvel. Cinematic universe about isiah bradley. I think that whole story is just heartbreaking. I heard and seen that has some real life parallels well but it's just really heartbreaking that he had to go through all those experiments and fight in all those wars and the government put him in jail and that for thirty years thirty years. And that's just truly awful and heartbreaking and carl lumley. I think the actor is he did a really good job of conveying. That sadness in his face and everything he's been through and it's just really heartbreaking in such a sad truth in sad story that not only applies in the mcu but also applies in real life again. I liked and appreciate the fact that they did introduce his character of course under the circumstances that he was brought into the sea in the mcu his character the way he's been treated by the government in thirty years of imprisonment. Know that part is is truly like you said heartbreaking and i love to go ahead and see some type of goodwill by falconer soldiers especially winter soldier who he cannot stand in their in their meeting obviously when they faced each other and actually Isaiah was responsible for ripping off his arm at one time during their meeting. Back in the nineteen fifties. So i'm hopeful that there will be a great resolution for his character because i agree with you. The actor who played isaiah did outstanding job of conveying. The hurt the anger and anguish that he's felt for so many years the betrayal by the country that he fought for that he loves so much. So you're right on that one. And i'm looking forward to seeing hopefully within six episode art ally. Bradley is some of that. I know you wanted to talk about as well so ally bradley as the grandson will hopefully play a key role going forward but your thoughts on eli proudly eli. Was there for just a split second. But i was super excited to see that. I'm really excited to see the young avengers in the mcu. They're all very cool in the comics and they're obviously setting them up and i'm really excited to see them. If you're not familiar with eli bradley. He actually joined the avengers with no superpowers and later. After being injured in a battle he received a blood transfusion from his grandfather. Isaiah bradley and then that gave him the super soldier abilities. And i'm really excited to see him and the young avengers me. Mcu well maybe something like that will materialize in much. The same fashion for the bradley with help from his grandfather. Isaiah bradley so i'm hopeful there's going to be a good resolution. Art for them. Near the winter soldier was arrested for missing his date with his therapist and upon the conditions of his release. He had to meet one last time with the therapist. And she invited are actually kind of ordered falcon to be in on this discussion so they had a sit down together and obviously that led to some more shenanigans between those two and the therapist was truly again very brilliant in her role as she was last week as they came on the police station they did have a conversation with. Us asian who was there with his cohort as well and they were. They're saying you know what they want to work together to beat the flags fascist but falcon winter soldier. The only thing they can agree on is that they don't want to be partnered up with us agent and as they leave us agent gives them a threat and says the fight with me or you fight against me and it's not going to be pretty if that's the case so we're going to get a little bit more of a sinister turns so to speak. Looks like for us aid. Because he's not captain america but before we head on out. I want to talk about something that named dropped in that you saw the very end of the episode. And that is they wanted to find out more about flag smashers and they're trying to relate it something that they used to deal with in hydra and they thought who better to go to that knows more about organizations like hydra the flag smashers than baron zemo. So wanna hear your thoughts before we have out on. The possibility is very much so because we saw him at the last seconds of the episode. And your excitement or not excited overseeing baron zemo once again. I'm excited to see him. I'm excited to see how he interacts with salmon bulky considering how basically zemo ruin salmon bookies lives even more young how zemo ruined. Everyone's lives All of the avengers his fault the avengers split up and then everything happens in civil war. How the avenger split up but also the avengers. Not all being together to stop thanos and stuff. That kind of stems down zemo in a way. I think it's going to be really interesting to see how salmon bucky to get help from zemo. Well i'll tell you what i am looking forward to it because i love that baron zemo character is hers how even without superpowers he can still manipulate. That's going on. And i look forward to him doing again. I mean in the trainers. It's already shown him out and about so. Somehow he gets out of prison setting that he's currently in but it is falcon winter soldier episode to were so excited to see. We're heading next one last thing element. In that there's four episodes left it's only six episodes. I wish there was more. Because i'm having so much more fund. It's not all over the place for me like what it's been for. Wanda there's one division was like a roller coaster. Ride those like here there and everywhere for me but with falcon winter soldier. I know exactly what i'm getting. So wanna hear your thoughts on the way out on your time. Spent so far without gordon winter soldier. I'm glad and happy with everything that we've gotten so far in this series. I think that they've made very good. Use of the time and i'm super excited to see where this series goes next as a my my dear as a my once again it is a glass for my awesome daughter. I cannot think of element for being on the show. I look for more updates and opinions and thoughts as we go forward with falcon winter soldier updates on your thoughts on the world of pop culture right here at the pop culture. Cosco's if you need your video game vix. 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He has reported that. An attendance switch pro is on the way talking about seven. Twenty p talking about faster. Chips said yada yada yada bigger better batter all that type of stuff that you see with upgraded consoles and of course you know ultimately. They haven't talked price yet. But you know it's gonna cost more chunk of change. So i want to hear your thoughts on an attended switch pro. Is it something you want and isn't something we need. I've been talking to people about this right. I've i've been asked this question a few times and my answer is this. Like if we're gonna do a pro right it's going to have seven twenty p or it's gonna you know we're to see a higher frame rates and all that we need something from bigger developers right like nintendo has some cool stuff. Obviously because they're you know they could basically not having any games out for a year and people still love him you know. We need to have some main line passes creed entries hit like day and date of release. We need bigger games because like right now everything on the switches very cartoony. So i don't really see the point in upgrading my switch to have better graphics on something that you won't even be able to tell that it's happening on so if we're getting a better console. We need bigger games and bigger titles dropping off the same day as you know the other councils because if we don't have games that are actually going to utilize this new tech that it's supposed to come out with. I don't really see any point in having it because again like a of yet. Mario super smash brothers zelda like all the games are very cartoony so you can't really even tell that you're getting higher frame rates or your your pictures better like there's no point in that. There is no point of that i to me. I don't see it as a huge. I gotta go get it. You know type deal because like you said most of the games that nintendo produces for it are of an animated nature that look just fine on the nintendo switch and it really won't do wonders for anyone out there. Maybe makes splatoon three little bit faster. Maybe some of these ports you know many ports that you and i have talked about and laughed about about trying to put skyrocketed in there to ten games still twenty seven game. Excuse me still chugging along tennis which would it make it a whole lot. Faster would've make a whole lot better. I'm not sure man. I'm not sure if just giving it a little bit better. Chipset is going to do the deal for nintendo switch. I think it's gonna take something like an An actual overhaul at bringing out a entirely new concept of consular nintendo in order to go ahead and get all these ports working a lot. Better i mean is for that. Or is it for nintendo's games. I'm not sure because nintendo games seem to magically run fine on the nintendo switch. Right now i don't think nintendo really has to worry about graphical output because they're already gonna dominate the market anyways. They could put out like a game where mario is painting the walls of a bedroom and people would still. It's still sell a million copies. Wasn't mario paint. Is that a real thing. I just. I was just talking pain as a real automobile really. Wow okay yes there you go right. Welcome to the world. Dando my friend. Yeah anything they can slap morio neeman. They're going to do it. And mario tennis. Mario kart the whole nine yards but it is going to be looking like that in the not too distant future because again jason schreier of bloomberg has reported that there is a nintendo switch pro on the way better chipset seven twenty p in the horizon. For which again i know does do wonders out there. They've got xbox series x or playstation. Five right now with four k. On their television and are doing with all hdr and shading and lighting and things of that nature is not going to overwhelm people. When you hear that but at least it's a step in the right direction for nintendo switch. The only thing. I got to add onto this. We'll go ahead and close out. This conversation is the price which obviously is the biggest concern for me because the two hundred and three hundred dollar price ranges for ten to switch and the nintendo switch light. that's a nice pocket-size nice priced unit. I it just. It fits in the comfortable zone and it's been there and it sold well and it's done really. It's great for nintendo so far. I'm seeing this is probably a four hundred dollar price range as far as maybe a three ninety nine unit. I don't think you put it new chip in there and upgraded everything on it and just throw it for fifty dollars more than the regular switch or maybe bring the price down of the switch and the switch light. But i don't see that happening either. No and like when you you look at it like this. You're paying four hundred dollars for this system you might as well buy a playstation five or series x. It's not especially if they're not gonna take the price of the existing councils on then you're again you're paying a hundred dollar difference or something that you're unless have you know like a top of the line. Tv and you're you know what to look for like you're not gonna notice any changes or it's going to be something to see that's very interesting again. Later this year the bundle packages that are going to be out for nintendo. And they always do that with walmart. Game stop what have you. There's gonna be a bundle packages that are introduced out there again for holiday package those are going to probably be attached to the nintendo switch or the switch light. Because there's still so many out there in the wild. I mean they may add a package for nintendo switch pro but i see them still trying to push the tender switch. Come come this christmas. Oh for sure. Yeah i mean because let's be honest we're not going to see another nintendo console for probably a minimum of three years and so this is kind of what they got at the moment and it doesn't matter even if they didn't come out with this this switch pro model we're still going to see nintendo dominating the market. All they need to do is put out a mario game. Put out a pokemon game. Put out a a come out with new donkey kong or something like that's all that's all. We need to see from them. In order for them to once again dominate the council market for the season in honor of our good friend rob mccallum. How about the name. The next system. The nintendo quest. That i mean that would work. Honestly they would probably have to go ahead and taught to rob about some copyright issues there first but maybe some licensing things and things of that nature. But i'm sure nintendo and him could reach a financial settlement to his liking on that if that happens but we want to hear your thoughts out there on a possible. Nintendo switch pro. Are you interested in getting an upgraded model of the nintendo switch. You might have already sherzer thoughts. Pop culture cosmos at yahoo dot com on. My friend has been a great episode. I know you. And i are hopefully going to be back on for thursday's show. Because i know and congratulations again on the fifth wedding anniversary to our good friend. Marcus guards but he's going to be stepping out for this week. And i know hopefully that you'll be able to step on it. But what are you going to be working on this week or or what are you checking out right now. Like i've got a lot of projects that i've elbows deepened. i just. It's been hard finding time especially like during the school year one school gets out and got a summer ahead of me. I'll be able to start pushing more stuff out. Here's little bit. What's going on like i. I'm working on something. We're working on our top two hundred gaming show coming out you know where we have our breaking it down. Vh one music video style where we're talking about the are games and we've got some cool narration on them. Topic is going to be coming to an end and we're going to have five packed. Episodes called the topic clips apocalypse and mark the end of an era that journey that started in two thousand seventeen. So that's gonna be fun. And i'm also i also got a project that i would like to. Have you know. Make some progress on here. Come in the summer where. I'm going to be examining different video game franchises and movie franchises from the from years past. So soon as i'm able to make more announcements about that. I will Be sure to let everybody know. But yeah man as well just a you ever like. Look at all the stuff you want to do. And you're like oh man. I don't have enough years in my life to get all that done. I hear you my friend. I got a lot of catch up on as far as the writing is concerned for pop. Culture gaza was dot com. So i've gotta go ahead and get that time as well so i definitely hear you on that one but before he announced my friend i wanted to go ahead and pay homage to a television series that ended its six year. Run this this past week and that was superstore. I know it's something that if you were follower the show you've heard my conversations with jessica boggs from the tv ratings guide. And i hope she's well. I know that she was in about the area where the tornados were happening. The south saw hoping for everybody out there that they were there. Okay from the toll. Recent tornados. But i wanted to go ahead and touch on superstore one last time because i think for me. It's been a very special show. And i've been watching situation comedies. Since the late seventies to date how just old i am. I mean going back to as a kid when i saw borka mindy. Now nunan watching you know stuff. Like liberated truly happy days which were the the number one shows that time mash which dealt on a lot of is social issues as well and of course involved into cheers and everything the eighties and then through the ninety s up today and of course the success of the office as a truly tremendous situation comedy as well. I do wanna go ahead and pay homage to superstar. I know it's a show that not everybody caught but it did have millions of followers and and did earn a lot of ratings bell booth. Hey how you doing how you doing. Great to have you here from youtube. Thank you so much for joining us. Truly appreciate it before we head on out. I do wanna pay all mosh to superstore and a thank you for the past. Six years has been a great story line and while the basic storyline is is not that much different than you've seen in many other sitcoms where it's a man and a woman and where they will they get together. Won't they get together. The supporting cast and the stories that they were telling as far as a social relevance culture relevance the stories that they wanted to portray the often emulated stories that are out there in the news on politics on immigration on the workplace on unionization on basically the structure of the way the world was is for the past six years they had a very long running commentary while they were still trying to make you laugh and of course for me it was always special that got me hook in first place because i was Worked at when. I was a younger man and also managed a big box. Stores like the one portrayed in superstars so for me right there that was the the buying but to see this whole world and universe developed right afterwards when i saw it in the an sombo cast was just one of the pluses of the show in and of itself. But i will. I'm just gonna save from the heart. My friend that this is truly one of the best shows i've ever watched and it will be sorely missed. Yeah i mean so. I've only seen a few episodes. My wife's a big fan of the show you know she's always telling me about it. I'm going to talk from like you had mentioned your experience in retail i. I have experienced in retail as well like having worked for best. Buy for seven years of the. If i remember correctly you look at these people who work in retail stores. They are people who've often like been beaten down by sir their circumstances right like they've they they're they're still finding the strength to to move forward each day and like a lot of people who work in these stores really interest stories and they just they find themselves in the unique position of being able to you know talk about these stories with people who are just say like passing through and You know looking at show superstar. I can totally see how that could be impactful. The people like how there are millions and millions of people who are working retail out there. And i can see why this show would have such a big impact on them. It's something that they're very important in my life. I had to catch every episode of from the second season on a cot. It and the first season. I i caught up on but i'm going to be watching. As one of those rare shows that will always leaving oppression with me. I'm usually not the biggest fan of sitcoms. I watched all of these sitcoms that i've talked about over the years and i don't really laugh at very much of them because they just the humor is so limited by what what broadcast television can do and show you but superstar always found a way to make me laugh and make me chuckle and that to me was something special. Plus it told the stories and cultural and had such a cultural relevance. And you know i think even with the pandemic they were able to handle the pandemic better than virtually any broadcast show. That's out there. And the way they they went and structured their show around it and for someone like me like you talked about your time with best buy. I worked and i managed a general manager for awards and they went under and also a manager for the good guys. They went under but they were big box stores. That had very many relationships or very many individuals. Like the ones you see in superstore. Now mind you. The ones that superstar. The characters are amped up to ten. But i knew people that were very similar or had similar traits that had similar characteristics of many of the individuals on that show so there may be exaggerated but they're still realized people out there that i interacted with that. I hold dear very dearly in my heart and i have relationships still to this day from some of those young big box stores that i worked out so yes. That's something that i hope that gets left behind. Is that these people work together for so many years that you don't necessarily have to go ahead and break up and move on with life and that you can always still how these people in your life if you so choose to. But the cultural relevance and the stories that they told and the the comments that they wanted to make on society will never be lost on what. I watch superstar and i mean who knows. Maybe we'll see revival of it eventually on netflix or hulu or wherever it might be but also seasons are on hulu. There was talk about a couple of characters getting their own series but nbc has a quietly announced that it's not going to be developed. So they're saying as of now superstars closed kind of disappointed with that. I think it still had a lot of life of america. Ferrara the lead. She left being a fulltime individuals on that series at the end of season. Five that shushi sets the doom ford as far as that's concerned for any show new series when you're lead character leaves the series. She did come back for appearances in this last season including the last two episodes which was greatly appreciated and helped bring a true closure to the series which not all series. But i think my time had superstar wanted more of but unfortunately it doesn't look like we're gonna get it. What are your thoughts on superstore. Did you love it and enjoy as much as we did. You have the type of relationship with the individuals. They're much the same way that you would with individuals who may work with an out there in life and the work that you have or in your retail store. If you're familiar with that type of vocation like me josh. We had those retail type of relationships. Did you enjoy it and relate to it. Did you enjoy your time with superstar. Let us know. Pop culture cosmos at yahoo dot com. Well my friend. I know there's a lot of great things on this week coming up. We spent some time at wonder con. It was actually pretty cool going there and checking all the things that are going on but i know kamikaze is coming late this year. And it's actually going to be live so some great news for everyone out there but any last thoughts on the way out. I mean i'm going to try to catch up on a lot of the things that i have missed an regards to pop culture stuff coming out a really great comecon going live this year. I know that was something. A lot of people were assuming was going to be cancelled. 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It's Freakin Haunted!

Happy Hour Gets Weird

1:17:11 hr | 1 year ago

It's Freakin Haunted!

"Oh hello this podcast. Episode Contains Adult Language and some situations that might be too spooky for some listeners. Listener discretion is advised cheers. They give it to me. I have a question right. It's on kind of similar to what you asked last week. Okay I have an answer but I think you're gonNA like this one because as we learned from last week you are a kind of chicken with the scary movies. So this is a little G. rated. If you could live in any child's Halloween movie what would it be so like hocus. pocus casper the friendly ghost the little. What is it little monsters nightmare before Christmas? Franken Weenie. Okay I think I would do little monsters monsters. Yeah oh or Hocus pocus. Oh Casper's Kinda good too. Okay I'M GONNA go with Addams family I'm GonNa go with you know what I think I'm gonNA go without him. His family and in like in my fantasy I would want to be Wednesday but I actually think I'm uncle fester. I you look so much like Uncle Fester Esther I know you see us right now but she has shaped head. Huge bags is about fifty. What does he where the black or what is it like a black button to Paiko? Yeah she does actually exactly like uncle fester so I believe that's what I would pick to by. The way is Adams family. I mean how fun is their whole life. He's Kinda Spooky but not fill keys focused. You're getting chased around your in Tyre town by three scary witches from the eighteen hundred. The APP is a great movie to watch. Yeah to live in addams family would definitely be the movie to live in. That's real fun so funny. Okay that's a good one. That wasn't good one and they kept it. I didn't wish G. rated nobody. Nobody has in. You got scared okay. Are we ready a high. We are all right all right. Are you the one who makes happy hour awkward. When you talk about your aerobic ghosts lover I am well? You've found a podcast. Are you here. We are this is the podcast for you. Yes says I'm Cathy. I'm tiffany and this is happy. Hour gets weird. So we're the podcast where we have drinks and talk about weird stuff stuff. Yeah pretty much. Yeah we're just like you're weird friends that you like hanging out with all the time and there's nothing awkward here. NOPE NOT US certainly not not awkward at all very chill very loose speaking of drinks. Today's drink is gonna read it cold Holbrooke cocktail from water spirits. It is. I think it's Goo- it's G. U. S. U. G. U.. If you g you just making Effi repeated food you or java cold brew cocktail has food. You who've vodka with cold brew Coffee Cream liqueur cinnamon and vanilla bean flavors. And it's from San Diego California produce in canned in San Diego San Diego Santiago. It is a strong cocktail. Do not let the coffee in a can fool you. It is twelve point five percent. That's strong very strong. Yeah choose wrong figure girl. It's so you just there's your disclaimer. There's your warning we had we. I we added a little bit extra milk and a little bit extra coffee. Also some cinnamon so we kind of used it as mick certainly definitely a cocktail already so on the back of their cam it says cold brew was seeing. Oh my God can I just say San Diego's I like the accent seventy all that way. Because that's how everybody from Santiago says it San Diego they don't say San Diego cold brew with San Diego Spirit Spirit are creamy foods you or chat that cold brew coffee cocktail perfectly combined or Chapa cinnamon and Vanilla notes with our six times to still fifteen fifteen times filtered. Fujio Vodka along with Crisp medium bodied roasted coffee while traditionally a morning favorite. It's our own spirited spin spin on cold brew coffee. It's quite delicious in in my opinion if you add more coffee it's a little bit too strong it it is but if you like a strong coffee and a strong cocktail you're gonNA love it. You're going to and we have pictures of it on our instagram. Yes speaking of instagram happy. Happy hour gets weird. PODCAST is our instagram. Go leave a comment. Say Hello. Dms Give us some ideas that you love us to talk about. Give give us feedback if it's sweet because we are new. We are learning can way sensitive bear with us on our technical difficulties. We're still figuring out the platform that we're on we will probably be changing platforms in the near future and we really appreciate that you guys are being understanding about the technical difficulties. Kulti's were going through. Last episode seemed a little choppy. Were still learning editing. We're a DIY podcasts. Were doing it ourselves and we're drinking again it ourselves and we're doing it while we're drinking. Yeah so there's a lot of drinking and doing so. Just bear with us. Yes we appreciate your listening and hanging through our transition our time of transition right now yet. We're going to have some music on it at our intro soon and we have new media for reckon on a lot of stuff we kind of wanted to jump in before we chickened out we wanted to be the go getters and not the just talk about it. Yeah we wanted to speak now or forever hold our P. E. S. so we just kind of went for it but we appreciate everybody. That's listening already already. It's really really fun for us. And we hope you're having fun. Yeah and reach out to us on through instagram or E. L. is happy hour gets weird at g mail dot com like reach out to let us know you're listening. Let us know what you like was now what you don't. Yes if there's any stories that you want us to get into. We are more than happy to do that. We have a long list of stuff we want to talk about but we love input. We love feedback and today we are going to be talking in about. ooh We're still being spooky because it still October and we're talking about ghosts today. We hope hope it's not too scary especially for cassie. I actually emit chicken but I love goes. Yeah well that's good and I love ghost stories. I'm happy that you're less scared the last week. Yeah last week was a little actually. It wasn't even that scary. Okay can I tell you. I didn't want to tell you this because you were getting freaked Out about our topic of last week. which last week? If you didn't listen we talked about Rosemary's the cursor Rosemary's baby which is about the devil and just curses weird creepy stuff and when I was searching for that I had the worst nightmare about a demon being in my closet and in the nightmare in my closet door was shaking and I didn't know what was going on and I looked under the door and I just saw hooved feet. Okay first of all I I can handle I. That's why I didn't tell you we were doing it. It was so scary and I woke up full slots could you sleep the rest of the night like did you ever go back to sleep. Yeah I did it was just a what is wrong with you when I had nightmares. I can't go back to sleep or all. Have Nightmares for like ever like slave doing during in like a different version of the same nightmare bomb. I had one and you spilled your soup. You're happy about that and so glad you reminded me because one on after we were done filming. I had some soup as you do. Okay you talk about the double crave souped up because it's hot and spicy. I was eating soup. I had just confirmed it up and I was walking around the corner to sit down and eat it and I was wearing these big stupid ass pants and like a caught got one foot got caught in the other lake and I went down like went down down all the way down to the ground holding a hot ought bowl of tomato based beef and barley soup and I couldn't catch myself so I thought all the way down to the ground. My spectacles articles flew off the super bowl exploded. It was right I look like it was covered in blood. I've done at the inside of my wrist and I think I severely injured my any. Actually it's hurting me and said it was. It was her fault. I said Hell Satan way too. Many times and Rosemary's baby is real people. I'm just lucky that I you will spill your suit the ball to throw it away. Well today I don't think anything will curse you. I think you'll be good. I hope not all right. Let's it get into it. It's about to get weird weird leg hearing footsteps upstairs when nobody's home weird weird like when you hear a baby laughing but you don't have a baby. Aw That's that is pretty scary. move out okay. So we each have a ghost story to talk about today Because it's Halloween so we're talking about ghosts. Let's get into it. I'M GONNA go first right. Yeah Okay so the story that I am going to tell you is actually. This is a pretty well known story. I think I think in some places I had never heard it and I've heard a lot of weird go story. Obviously but because we live on the west coast. Maybe that's why we haven't heard about it. Wait where's Missouri. Not on the west coast thinking. Do we do the same fucking story but we did. You refuse to tell your story. It's a rookie. You explain this when I start my wait. What's your story? Oh I did. It wanted to trick you know. I had another one K.. Okay well but anyways go ahead my problem. Well if I'm doing the same story then you just have to make up a fake story and just tell it on the fly on the fly. That's what you're gonNA have to do okay so my story is about the limp family mansion. Is this your story. No why wouldn't you just tell me. Do you see this kind of stress. Okay because I knew something really cool but then once I started researching it. It actually turns out not to be very cool okay. Well mine's not crazy cool. It's not crazy sexy cool it's not. TLC But today we are cozy sexy cool. We're Twin Inc.. We're twinning. It's it's pretty amazing because this is the first time I'm actually wearing real clothes and we also happen to be magic. Not just wearing stretchy pants also bear with me. I'm getting over a cold cold that I like an idiot did not chase away with Tequila. Shots I know lesson learned next time shots every day until I get better. Yeah Okay Ah I am talking about the limp family. And they're haunted mansion. The story of the lump family is one of great success. Assess and great tragedy. No and maybe I say yes. This tragedy led to one of the most haunted houses in America. Who this either see? That's what I'm saying. I think because of where we live. We're not very close to Missouri. What if we were like really close to Missouri but we don't geography because we're not from Missouri? I think that's why we haven't heard of it and we were from Missouri. If you're from Missouri first of all sweet listening that reminds me wait. Do you save Missouri or Missouri. A wide don't ever say either one you've never sent his army. We Love Missouri. I talk about it every day. So Missouri reminds me. I knew this. I have a friend who her husband's Co Co workers were moving to like Missouri. And she is someone who doesn't really Gogarty and she wrote them a going away card and she said have much assassin. Congratulations on your move and enjoy the Middle East Middle East worse than me okay. Well that's pretty bad okay. Well I know I know that much about Missouri that it's not in the Middle East. Oh my God that's hysterical but that is also kind of something I would do. I feel like us. You know he didn't really don't really learn. I had west. Yes she was. You Know California girl. She figured made East like it's mid East Coast. Yeah but it's actually. They started on the east coast and moved West. So it's like mid west and I was like. Oh that's hysterical. That's the best. Her husband was mortified when they opened the card penny. Oh my God okay. Let me do my sources. So I don't forget I Used a website called legends of America Dot Com. It's pretty cool. It seems like they have a lot of good information. I'll probably probably use it again. The article also included reader submissions which I used come along so readers who had been to this location Rhone in and it was my favorite part but but the article itself did have like a lot of information and it was very informative and I also read culture trip. It was a short little article but it gave me. It helped me kind of figure out some of the family tree stuff and that article uncle trip was called the fascinating history of the lump attention by Elizabeth Nickel Nicholas. So yeah. That's pretty much it. It was the legends of America. Article was really long. It was like eight pages ages or something so a lot of it. Yeah I had a lot of information. Okay so start. At the beginning. Johann Adam lumpy. He went by Adam Lumps. So that's what I'm going to call what he thinks. Johan any went by Anna because that was middle name Middle Name was Adam. Well Adam Madam limp so much fucking Cooler Johan. Yeah Johan Hon you. On Atom. Blimp was a German born immigrant. Who came to Saint Louis Missouri Missouri Missouri Missouri in eighteen thirty eight? He opened a grocery store but what he was really known for. Was His lager style. Beer beer beer okay. At the time most of the beers that were made a really dark and heavy and Saint Louis Louis quickly fell in love with the light. Refreshing beer limp was producing. Sounds good to me. Yeah before long. He opened limps Western brewing company. And the company prospered bird Adams. Hard work paid off. By the time he died he was a millionaire. I know this is the American dream right here. Baby you move here sell L. Beer and get rich yet mortgage ask for his son. William took over the brewery when he died and this is the point where they're good. Fortune began to turn no. Oh Billy fucked it up. Yeah William expanded their operations and their Victorian residences. How sound so cool? It was this beautiful house They added tunnels that went from their mansion to the brewery underground tunnels and they had an underground swimming pool. What Theater Bowling Alley and like lounge area? They went bowling and they do hundreds the I guess so they fuck it. It sounds amazing. It was like a party pad underground. Okay for a while. There was like a spiral staircase from the middle of town that led down to like this party palace within. I think they're like fuck you guys. You guys can't come close in a staircase from the middle of town won't from wherever their house was. Yeah like in town that would leave down underground where all their stuff was or you can get to it from the house. Okay that is cool. It was like a legit like Hugh Hefner Status Party. Okay that's cool. Vampires and needed to be underground brando. Maybe conspiracy theory quarter. I actually another sidebar. I'm so you're fine. I love it. I love the sidebars this morning morning when I was brushing my teeth. How like it gets also me gets foamy while on this to it like the foam made of Fang and I saw it in the mirror and it was like you like it? Yeah they were like I'm into I wanna get dental things planted. Is that where where we're going with this a little bit because I could you imagine if you added thanks to your teeth and you're just talking to a stranger and then you smile and they're like I kind of really liked. It probably like I get your number. You have like longer canines but I feel like when it looked uh like I saw in the mirror and I was like. I'm a bad bitch out like myself in the mirror. I liked it. ooh That's a good idea. Just be like. And how much would it be to have fangs glued to my actual tooth permanent permanently glued on their. Thanks six when I get dentures. I'm doing that. Yeah if I ever have to get dentures. I'm just GONNA have vampire dentures. Okay nobody else make that. I'm caught what. What does that copyright copyright? No it's not copy right. That's when you know when you invent something that's my. I have a patent on that copyright patent on that so nobody else ever make vampire dentures. I don't even know where I thought I love that. Keep doing it okay. It was in the midst of all of the success. Underground fucking theaters others and bowling alleys and shit that the first of many of the family tragedies occurred. Frederick Lump William Simon Eyre died of heart failure at the age of twenty any eight so he he was obviously in poor. Health is Super Super Young. Yeah William became depressed and withdrawn three years later later. He shot himself in the head and he died. No so sad really really sad so after this will junior took over the brewery. After for his father died he had have you ever read. What is that one hundred years of solitude this old book I read it like in high school. Yeah but everybody has the same name softener. No No. It's not the everybody at. That sounds so familiar. It's right there on my show okay. But we're wired and so we can't get I'm a blind person I know I can't see it. It's literally right there but we can't get up because we are plugged. Been I have read it. I feel like but everybody has the same names and it's confusing. That's all this family nick. No it's going to kill me. It's going to literally kill me from inside. You do not find out is it is gay. Gabriel Garcia Loves Yup. Nope not even close okay career. I'm an idiot okay. Well my whole point was everybody. That book has like the same names. Because everybody's named after their dad or mom whatever and that's how this family was too. Oh and I honestly was like had to draw myself a family tree because there was like three wills and like okay. So it was Johann Adam than his son William than his son. Frederick then his son William Junior William Junior is Williams. Author William had two sons Frederick. Yes he had him junior three cents. Yes yes we haven't talked about the third. Yeah yes so. But that's what I'm saying when I was reading it it was like William Junior Will- William Senior and it was just like everybody has saving. Yeah just like in that book okay so anyways you know the stories get a little bit Loosey Goosey when you're having cocktails dots. That's what happy hour has Okay so Williams junior took over the brewery after the death of his father. Okay he married a beautiful woman named Lillian Polian who was dubbed the Lavender Lady because she always wore lavender and even had like her horse harnesses died lavender. She was super into it from a really wealthy family so she she could just dial over shit. LAVENDER okay I kind of lost them. I know I was like I love you know and so and also it seems like lavender. There was probably like an exotic color back then. I love the color. You know what I mean. It gets was probably a little hard come by so just showed her status off a little bit. So we'll junior was a major party. Took full advantage of this whole underground. Vampire layer of partying contrite with vampires. They partied it up. They bowled the vampires bullying. His friends took full advantage of the free beer. Also they were like this is the best rent like. You can't get much better so this part of the story gets fucked up It was a well known rumor that will junior had a fathered a child by a woman other than his wife cheated on the Lady of lavender. Yes the lavender lady you he used to be used. A rumor was that he would give her a thousand dollars hours a day and say you have to spend all of this. Don't come home till you're done because he didn't get her out of the else but also K.. Sure I mean is it worth it. Could you imagine being that wife I mean. I've spent a thousand dollars on male escorts it's a separate as a Bachelorette party like okay like. Yeah so the marriage wasn't that great but Yeah so he. He fathered a child by somebody who was not his wife. Okay and the boy was born with Down's syndrome and because because you know this guy was a jerk and it was a shitty time. The boy was hidden away from the world. By William Junior. Okay it's awful people were Dick's back then and you know. Even if people weren't dicks this guy just happened to be a Dick also so this boy lived lived in the servants quarters in the attic. Without the outside world ever knowing he existed but the rumours persisted everybody kind of knew and later on one in like when they were older servants. That worked there at the time. Confirmed that this boy exist that he did live there. They William Juniors didn't want it to get out but he had a minute just got a legitimate son and that he had probably started yeah so servers yes urban servants like they. I mean everybody. Everybody knew so. WE'RE GONNA call this boy the secret son so next time if I've mentioned him again just I'm going to call the secrets. And he had something that he was called by people. But I'm not saying saying what. They called him okay because people are dicks but I try not to be one will will. Junior's life went into a tailspin in part heart due to his lifestyle of partying and extramarital affairs and Bingley. At I got nick. Junior was kind of cool but now he's just you report you so yeah yeah So he ended up getting a divorce. And then the prohibition hit which we obviously know about the brewer was closed and although they had more wealth than they could spend I think the family was hit pretty hard. By the fact that their family business was shutting down like they had had this business for a long time. And you know I mean. Even though they didn't need the money it was just still like something that was part of their lives. So in nineteen twenty. I think it was is partly because of the business closing and partly because of personal reasons will junior sister. There was like a few siblings. I didn't mention them all because I didn't want to do big family tree. We'll junior sister. Who was the wealthiest woman in Saint Louis Shot and killed herself? ooh Yeah in nineteen twenty two so two years later will junior fell into a deep depression. He shot himself in the heart in the same room. His father had shot himself all fears before. Oh Shit a few years later. The secret son also died in the home. Oh my gosh yeah. Sorry I'm clearing my throat. At this point Williams brother Charles took control the residence in nineteen forty three. He shot his dog and himself while they're what the in the same room as his father and brother his his suicide note. Read in case I am found dead. Blame no one but me okay. So there's some serious there's been replaced village. There's been three people that shot themselves and then the sun the secret son also died there. I'm not sure where the twenty eight year old heart failure happened. Not One hundred percents. I'm not not going to say where that was. But he also died really really young and lived at the home when it happened Yeah there's a lot yeah right. The sister didn't live there when she shot herself but she also shot herself. So it's kind of crazy. Yeah it's a really really sad For some time the house went into a decline and fell into disrepair rumors of the lent mansion being haunted. Turn people away like they tried having it. Be You know different things that people there are so many people people didn't want to hang out there which I mean I can believe. Don't let them yeah. Thankfully nineteen seventy five. The Pointer family purchased the home and remodeled modeled and even today it still beautifully restored and serves as a restaurant and in so like we could go there right now. Yeah we could go there right now. We're coming for you Missouri. Okay so clearly. The length mansion has ever the world to be haunted. I I'm not surprised. There's his rumors about this During when they were first remodeling the rumors about the haunting like really intensified. Yeah like people are always kind of talked about it in town. But then the workers when they're remodeling saw things. Yeah who were they see what they they claim to hear. Voices and to see apparitions. Many of them did not return to the job. The attic is said to be haunted by the secret son. People have seen him peeking from the attic window when they're outside so creepy. I mean like I don't know if he's still a child. It's scary to me because child ghosts or like the creepiest to me Some one story that I really loved is that apparently there was like some ghost. Investigator is there And they took some little kids toys and put them in attic and then drew a chalk circle around the toy and left. Yeah and when they came back with the toys had moved. No Oh my gosh. That's going to imagine you would just like scream and just cry. I would just start crying and just run so scary But also sweet like maybe. It's just you know Also a group that went to the end because the in does Alec Tours through the whole Mansion and this was written in in that Legends of America when people wrote in like their reader submissions. Yeah somebody said that. They were there and they were doing a tour and they were up in the attic and they heard a little a little. All Boys Voice saying complaint with me so scary and that I thought that it was like one of them messing with them mm-hmm and then the other ones like I did not say that and then they heard it again. Oh my gosh I'm so into it. Yeah we'll junior is also said to have been in the women's bathroom peaking around which of the I know it was technically before remodeling was his room. Oh okay but I will say. He was like a well-known womanizer. So it's also like like a lady said that a lady was in there and saw a dude and literally came out to the bar and was like fuck you guys for trying to peek at me. When I'm in the bathroom that's Dick and the bartenders like they have been here the whole time like that's how that's like? It's not actually saw like she saw guy but there was nobody. So that's yeah that's pretty good right. disembodied voices have been heard. The Piano plays without anyone near it. Doors will lock and unlock on their own. Nearly everyone who stays there has a story a group of visitors on a tour all saw the same figure of a man dressed in older period clothing carrying a room key. He was later discovered to not begin employees. Or a guest of the hotel Maybe that was like glimpse senior. I Dunno and a woman. This is another really good story a woman would it got married there and she had her wedding dress and like all of her little. You for like pictures now laid out on the bed like all pretty. Yeah and like had it all arranged range and she turned away for a minute and when she looked back everything was scattered on the bed. No I just sort of screamed and ran out again but also quote. You got married there unlike. The well known haunted mansion. Like there's probably ghost and all their wedding pictures eleven or yes I love it So yeah I everybody that's been there. There was so many stories on this website like where people had written in labor part. I stayed there and this happened to me and like one of the guys was like I. It was in the Air Force for like forty years. I'm not like I don't make like I'm not one of these people that believes in this stuff but I will never go back live and other people we're like I thought it was cool and you know it wasn't. It's not like anything really. That bad has happened. It's just there's definitely presence there Evelyn. Yes there's definitely your presence there and I mean so many people lived and died there and there's so much history I believe it okay. I feel like if you're listening if you've been there please. E mails or pleased. Ems Please tell US Your S. It sounds so cool I would totally stay there if I was ever Missouri. Be So refund. I would be a little bit but I would still do it. It's sounds cool because they could obviously my car. Yeah I mean I guess if you when Nice state go there you can't just leave me and sleep in your car. I could not sleep I guess. Okay we'll stay up all night. Stay up all night one night. I just honorable when you sleep and yeah it is Kinda scary but it's cool. I mean there's so many stories I love it. You try to go there and I do believe that the love family is like completely gone now every although yes everyone yes. I don't think there's any living family members anymore really. The last brother that was in charge just died of natural causes and there was some side side. Know about like burn the paintings in the House instead of Keeping Ping them which is strange. Because you'd think they'd be worth money and they like did a bonfire of art really. Yeah that's bizarre. I know I wonder if he thought there was something. I don't know it's a story. That's a good one. It is good right good. Like friendly friendly casper the ghost hunting. Yeah except for all the shooting. I mean oh well that was part of that was awful but yeah aw I liked it. It's good it's a good one it is. Are you ready. Yeah Okay I'm ready. I am ready to listen cheers. Oh that was a good one for cans. I feel like was that a good one. If you couldn't hear with your ears hear it with your heart which I yes and you're apart that warm you from your heart out from your heart out so I my story. I got from an episode of a podcast that I've been listening to for at least two years. I can't believe it yet. You probably know it. It's kind of a big deal. It is Aaron Minke over at lower. Is it a big deal. You're the one that told me about it. I'm not very podcast. Knowledgeable like I feel like kind of a big deal. I believe you because has a show too right. Yeah he's written books and he has a show on Amazon on prime. He's a good storyteller. He is an amazing story teller. I am not going to do historic justice. I really just am not so if you want the like ambiance of a story like ambiance of a ghost story with like he even has like background music and his voice always spooky not. It's he's a great storyteller so if you haven't heard of Lord L. O. R. E.. Go find it on Itunes but still oh listen to us because we are not that type of podcast. We're your girlfriend's having beers telling stories podcasts. Just just here we are the friends. Tell go story and then get a pen stuck in there. That's our style. If you were going to okay good nutshell. You'd be like drunk friend story gets a pen care with playing with the pen in my hair Anyway Okay said this is from Lor this episode thirty seven on Lor published six six twenty seven two thousand sixteen and the episode name is called passing notes of ood. That's creepy so when we first talked about Al go stories as a story about a ghost ship off but every go ship I ever researched a research in the last week is actually not very go. St At all okay fair. It's actually just like they got off course. Use the lifeboats swam away and the ship is still like just as a ship. Water without people on it. Yes which I mean would be kind of cool if this ship was like just everybody disappeared on board with no explanation is just like flirting in the ocean. The APP that wasn't but most of the time there's an explanation like they all the lifeboats are gone through like okay. We'll whatever. Yeah so I was like you know what I remember this really good episode of Lore about a ghost. An I'm going to you really listen to it. I'M GONNA retail this story because it is freaking crazy. Tell me tell me. Tell me how I'm into it because I haven't listened to this. And this is an old time he won two okay so in the eighteen fourties Eliah Phelps who was a Presbyterian minister her his wife died and he had older children they had older children and he found himself lonely at fifty nine years old so he remarried read at. It just happened to be a younger woman in her forties And this younger woman came with three children and then they also so had a younger son themselves together so yours mine and ours. Okay so cute they marry there were in love and they decided to move into a bigger home so they moved from Pennsylvania to Stratford Connecticut in eighteen forty seven okay and they found this mansion in Connecticut built by a retired sea captain and it was big enough from obsessed with okay. Who is big enough for yours? Mine and ours and they said it was Actually Kinda resembled a ship. Okay I love this because one of my favorite Interrupting you I'm sorry. But one of my favorite old timing black and white movies was called the goes to Mrs Moore and it was about this lady who moved into a house with her daughter that was haunted by an old sea captain named Daniel and they fell in love. She had an erotic ghost lover. She was a Weirdo. Erotic got it goes lover nights your favorite. Oh my gosh I loved it even as as a child I used to watch it. I mean they supervising you. They weren't having sex on the movie. It was an old black and white movie with Gene Tierney and REX Harrison. It's like very old timey old movie. They didn't have sex on the movie but they fell in love. It was amazing. It's so good okay tejendra. Apparently I've been weird sits second grade okay. Go on but it's the same the same until it gets really fucking can weird okay. There's not up story here spoiler okay. So they said the home resembled somewhat of a ship. It was like like large and kind of laid out like a ship. The main hallway in this house was at least seventy feet long. Oh my would huge. That's crazy and it was five bedrooms bedrooms on the second floor and two more bedrooms on the third floor holy show it was plenty of you and the stairs was like the parlor and all that normal stuff so they moved in the family moved in in eight in February of eighteen forty eight and they lived there for two years happily with with no incidents until done done done okay so march fifteenth eight. No Oh not march. Fifteenth March Tenth March Ten. I don't know why the Fifteenth March Tenth Eighteen fifty ships started to get weird so Mr Phelps was a Presbyterian Minister so obviously they left for church every week. Okay the family life for church and they locked all the doors and windows because that they even the staff was gone they were off of work so the house was completely empty so they locked up everything. They went to church when they got back from the church from church they go up to their house and their front door is wide it open. I'm scared like fully wide open. Okay what yeah. That's scary. They probably didn't say what the fuck because they did. They said what in the fucking King Fuck. That's how all ministers talk with their wives so they went outside on the first floor and everything gene was tossed. Oh my God. No tossed furniture was upside down books. Were off the shelves. Their dishes your Rovan. They went through all the rooms downstairs and everything was a mess. It was all tossed up like a had been ransacked yeah and even the nursery they went into the nursery which it didn't specify the nursery was actually a nursery like a baby's nursery. It was like a weird nursery room for old people but the furniture was actually on on the bed in the nursery. Oh my God so they were like those movies where you walk. They walk in and all of the chairs role stacked up. Oh God I just got goosebumps. Meteo I just got. She'll creeps though like the ricky dicky. Okay so they all screamed and cried and burnt the house down absolutely not. No you wish I would do with the end cake. That's the perfect taunting story. In my opinion their houses on fire the background so they were like. Oh we've been robbed. We've been robbed so they went and checked. They had this certain closet where they kept their silver sure. It was still there Mr Phelps Goldwasser was still in the place that he left it so nothing of value was stolen. So they're like the house was just what what did they still nothing so he decided okay safety in numbers. Let's go upstairs together and let's check the upstairs. Nothing was touched upstairs. And they're like okay. Well maybe the thieves were scared off in the middle of ransacking downstairs. That in mega the upstairs they go to the upstairs bedroom. Everything is in. Its place except Cuba goosebumps now except one of Mrs Phelps Dressing Gowns was laid straight on on the tape on the table. No on her bed as if someone was wearing it and the arms across across the chest there is even arresting stockings kings. Whatever those are were laid so it looked like like prior like pantyhose Yep and they were laid under the dress like laid out and they found scribblings links on the wall. Now and they're like Aaron McKie was like it seemed to be some evil writing the wall but they never deciphered it. So I don't know so there's like you're writing on the wall and they were like but let's burn the house down. I get it yeah fair. Nobody's suggested bring the house down. If I was there I would have said get out now because as bitches burning down I mean I feel like people that are in the spiritual job. Like he was a pastor. He was a minister. He was Minister Pastor priest. I just feel like I'm kind of asking to be haunted. So if you're listening and you're a pastor minister and you are being onto please let us know I mean I don't know is it because you're just a touch closer to that world. I don't know I don't know what happened. That is so terrifying ache. It's scarier what okay. Thank God so that I don't know why they did this but they went to church twice a day that day. So I'm assuming this is a Sunday. They went to church twice a day in in the morning and in the evening so they still went to church okay but misses a man of God. He has to go well. He stayed behind his bosses. God Oh well. He stayed behind decent the entire family church and he said I'm going to stay here. And he stayed in a quiet dark house up in one of the bedrooms and he sat there waiting with the pistol because he was like come back. 'cause he at this point they really thought it was just some dude. They thought it was like some weird sick prank or something. Yeah so he is sitting there in a dark quite house alone with a pistol in a chair upstairs and he doesn't hear anything for an entire hour no sounds no noise whatsoever So he decides to quietly walk around the house so he slips quietly out of the bedroom. Anne's going from room to room finding nothing and he goes downstairs to the parlour and he cracks open the door and there he is like frozen with shock. No what is sees okay. I'm getting like full body. chills else in. The House is so quiet now. I know okay so he sees what appears to be. Some kind of bizarre seance room is full of people will they have different books and bibles in their hands and they seem to be focused on this tiny statue that's hung from the ceiling. What appears to to be by a string and there are like facing it and it's in some way worshiping it? Oh no so. He is like at first drawn to the statue a hanging from the ceiling by a string. And he's like what the I have so many chills right and like my whole body is and then he looks around and he's like the women. Because is there were women men and women. In the SEANCE. Okay so he looks around. He's I struck by the statue and then he looks around and notices like. Everything's kind of weird like out of like odd. So he looks at the women and they're not moving and then he looks at the seemingly men statues. They're also not more or people they're also not moving as he gets closer he discovers that they're not not people at all. They're actually clothing from the House that has been stuffed with rags and they're like a life size rag dolls that are standing there with like aimed towards this statue hanging from a string from the ceiling. They're not real at all. They're not people in my God. This is so scarier giant life sized dolls rag dolls and they were not there before the family loved what was his. Did it say what the statue was. No I didn't say what the statue was. freaky is scary. Why is this not a movie? I told you scary. Okay so he and the guy is like how old timey people talk. I think the most the thing that freaked him out the most is he or none of this. Like no one through the hull. I'M GONNA get the Fuck Outta here. Yeah no one making his pants sometimes and ran away so Aaron Go. You better put on your shitting pants because there you are about to shake your pants but some adult diaper that. Oh my God. So Aaron McKie said that He actually not. Mr Phelps actually took responsibility for these because it turns out that just a week before March tenth the day. Hey that this all happened. He had a visitor from his life in Pennsylvania. Come and visit him. And I guess around the eighteen forties eighteen fifties sake spiritualism was like a big thing. Yes everybody was like everyone was just starting their own weird religion Reich I worship tree stumps John. Hi Talk to write and Santa's were goat logs and yeah like very very big. I think that that's because sorry to interrupt you but I think that's because from what what I have heard When like puritans came to the United States People were used to being an England where there's like the Church of England and they were like this is our Church Church of England. This is what we do but when they came to the United States and religious freedom was this big thing. They're like Oh shit we can do whatever we want. And I think that's why people were getting down the turn cuckoo crazy. Yeah and everybody had a different weird thing so l. a.. Turns out that just week before of visitor from his past in Pennsylvania visit spiritualism was a big thing like the Fox sisters. Here's and say on contacting the dead was like kind of a big thing. So they were in the parlour. Everyone had gone to bed. They were drinking scotch. Gosh there were Willy Nilly. They decided to do their own. Sounds to see if it was real. Now it was short seance according the podcast. There wasn't much detail I don't know who to contact. All they said was like if you're here let us know. Apparently the tourism knocking and that was the end of it marched. Tent should start skip real so he walks in on this stance and he kind of took responsibility like well. I did do this. And it's like a Ouija board. You can't be surprised. Yes when Shit starts getting crazy. 'cause he kinda open the door yes so I think that is. The most frightening thing is to walk in and see those stuff dolls there. That is this ice series life-size life-size no that's terrifying. It's like a thousand fucking homemade scarecrows in your living room with your own clothes awful. Yes what were they worshiping. was that a weird. It's like the hereditary movie on. You probably didn't see that. No I will not be much if you watch that video cry for thirteen days I would just and there's a scene where spoiler alert there's a scene where she is crouching. Look at that quarter my wife. She is crouching in the corner of the ceiling. Wall like this Tara. You know my chick. I love Tara check like in the corner like spider and Ice Cream for a full thirty minutes. No I know the rest of the movie. I was still screaming. It was based on your description so they but that's what this reminds me of because it was like the same they worship to this demon. God just it's very that's so creepy. What y y what were they worshiping? The Rag doll weird clothing people. That is the scariest thing ever. I can't believe nobody's stolen this for a movie or a book. Like where are you Stephen King. Stephen King you should listen please. Tag Him I will if we just got one listener can it. Just so that was when when I when I heard that I was like okay. This is going to be good. This could be good one so they continue to live there they they and Mr Phelps was Now Air Minke said in his podcast that Mr Phelps was kind of like unmoved who've he was almost like curious He wasn't scared. He was just wore intriguing. Gore in trays. The lettuce entry so scary. So Oh oh my God then after that things really kind of started escalate if you could even really ask for me. There's escalation from that. But they started to escalate late so things started to move heavy. Things started to move like fire. Me Utensils used to build a fire started to move across the room. Act Act so the bizarre things food there'd be sitting down to dinner and food which is like appear on the table like drop to the table like invest the beauty and the beast gasol. Okay just checking if this is actually the story of the of nowhere. Just drop onto the the table. Okay donate that plays. Don't eat that food so things would appear to be falling from the ceiling and it was most of the time close it was. They said it was almost like a hole opened up in the ceiling. And clings after full. Amritsar geist yes. My God okay. And they're still living in here still living there. Did they have teenage children teenagers or older or younger okay so they were when they got married. Mrs Phelps had three week.. Under the age of sixteen and okay is also had another baby so teenagers and they were like I would say like adolescence since two preteens maybe a fifteen year old at the most. Because have you heard that. Have you heard that if you have teens in your house that it can trigger poltergeist activity if it's like a house that is susceptible to ghosts. That's a line of thinking what goes community. I did not know that. What is it and ghost community that I live in ways like hormones? I don't know it's just maybe hormones may be fucking period magic. I don't fucking know K.. I. And freaked out but if you have a lot of teens in an area that's already like has the sort of like residual situation Komo ghostly situation if there's if your areas already susceptible goes for whatever reason if it has a lot of teenagers in it that it could trigger like poltergeist activity activity like mass hysteria. Like what am all the teens. What it? What is that Like that group. Hallucination what is that called group. Think it's where like a group anyways were if you're just like alone on your own craziness everybody feeds into each other's craziness. Yeah So so by this time people started to people in the family started to get word that this was happening so one time Phelps. His brother visited and he was a prominent Dr Auto Boston so he wasn't. You know the no nonsense shape yet. Eddie was no nonsense kind of used skeptic So he was visiting and they had heard a knocking on the front door and they thought okay. It's just one of the teenagers plane joke so they searched the entire her house and found nothing They went about their day and still a by the end of the night. They heard heard knocking. But this time one was standing on the side of the door and the other standing on this side of the door. They still heard knocking on the door. Oh my God my eyes is going to fall out. And they never found the person who is not. Oh my God yes so one inside one outside inside one outside knocking still heard knocking on the door. Oh my God wow okay. I can't wait for my nightmares tonight. So I'll call you tomorrow so Phelps. It wasn't urgent to move at all key was all like he was like it's harmless. It's knocking it's close falling. It's free food at dinner food appearing hearing or food falling or whatever myron The sky. Oh I can balls a steel man and every once in a while like a scribbled note would appear nope Sometimes they're really hard to decipher like in the podcast. He never really said what all the note said. Sometimes they could read it sometimes they could make out one or two words so in April of eighteen fifty came they. The physical attacks started. Oh my God so it just started with pinches and slaps okay and right even witnesses would see these and they testified that it was not faked like it would it looked authentic so Mrs Phelps Awoke One night two then it started to escalate ascoli from pinches and slaps so Mrs Valves Awoke One night to a pillow over her face and something wrapped around her throat. Oh my God okay what she she survived it. Okay now that happened to pretty much. Every in the family pinches and slaps happen to everybody in the family and the pillow outside inside the pillow over. Mrs Phelps Face It would just kind of sit at that except for Henry the young with their young son. It was eleven at the time. He seemed to be a target for all of our God so he rocks thrown at him He Eh levitated. Sometimes my God you wipe picked up and thrown against walls. How were they still living here? This how should have been burnt down years ago. I I the article or the podcast. It seemed like a long time but it I think it was only a matter of three years. Yeah but this happened one time. They found him in strong up in the tree in a tree with a rope flick. His value is tied to the the Huge branch in a tree with God. That sounds like Blair witch status. Yeah I watched that the other night by myself and I was home alone what I was going to call you. Guess what I'm doing but I thought you know I would. I would exactly at night at one point. He was found in a closet on a shelf too high for him to read. Why the new structure on his neck? Okay move out. He ripped while he wore it. He was pushed into a sin. Ton of water. Synteen of water did they try another seance. They did okay. I'll get okay. I'm sorry I'm sorry I I can't handle this kids getting like physically attacked worst than it. Finally find the escalated. A fire started his bed under his bed his bed he got out alive. Oh my God. He managed to like avoid like serious harm out of all these terrified. He was a major target off of this. Oh my God. A vis vis whatever poltergeist. Whatever so long at this point after the fire Phelps began to become frustrated and and it said that he would walk room to room in the house and shot to empty rooms for it this to stop? And that's when Moore notes notes started to appear so bay. Eight didn't really stay what all of them said but they remote moat really pretty like terrible notes. so at this point they decided decided to do a second. seance thank God and they are. Maybe I don't know they I don't know well you'll see okay. So very hello seance in the house and Air Maki said that it wasn't very Helpful or useful only that they appeared. They asked who it was and it appeared to say that it was a clerk who used to work with Mrs Phelps on a financial issue you but that's really all that they got out of it he did say that they kind of verified that in fact this person did work with her in public records. It's like they verified it through records and it was true but that's really all they got from the stance so At this point lots of notes started to appear wait. They said that the haunting was an they asked who it was and they said that it was somebody who used to work with in his wife used to work. What does white store on a financial issue on financial were okay? I misunderstood what you were saying. That's so random right. Yeah like okay could you imagine one of your co workers haunting me like throwing rocks and my son I maybe so notes really started to appear like they would appear when Mr Phelps was working at his desk a note would disappear on his ask At one point they had a tea party and a note fluttered onto the table and most of them were illegible but some of them said Ed stated had written on them were written common names for the Devil at the time lag bells above and no Sam Slick can. We used to call the Devil Sam. Slick yeah and Sir. Sambo was another sambo. Oh Yeah it's my stage name that so weird so those aren't very scary. Double Bails about his Kinda creepy bits by SAM. Yeah so that was in April of eighteen fifty. Two years almost three years was after they moved in and Timbre of that year a note. Mr Phelps was working. You are at his desk in his office and a note appeared on the desk and he when he saw he read it in the best that he could decipher what it said is. When are you planning to leave? No sheds s and on my God thought what about is he. I don't know if they like like responded to these notes by writing on them and they are another response would come at. He didn't really the Say but he said he responded to this one in writing and he thought about all. He don't WanNa leave his home. He did not want to leave because I mean. How great was this home though like? Well my son's almost five times but have you seen my patio like I don't get it. I know he did not want to leave but he he thought about it what had happened and he decided to write October. First and the scary month of the year was what he went October. I wait children so as to say like we're leaving October first yeah and There was no response this time. So I'm from wet. Aaron McKie said like there's no response to snow this time. I'm assuming that they would respond in notes and then another note would come from this poltergeists and they would enemies so on October. First I eighteen fifty the family left for Pennsylvania and he followed shortly after so his family left first and then Phelps yes. Mr Phelps left shortly after them for whatever reason they came back one last time and they a had the knocking and floating objects and one Leszno and then they left for good. So it doesn't doesn't really say what happened to the belt Stanley after that but it does. Aaron McKie went on to say what happened to the House so Muslim. Multiple families moved in and out Since then and there were rumours in there was still more reports of like knocking boating objects and falling objects and stuff like that so then in the nineteen forties became a convalescent care home. Oh God and that construct can start. Office is a couple. They were both are ends and they moved into Canada. Run the home. And they had a baby Sunday Gary and they had heard the rumors of the knocking and the stuff that the whispers and the laughing and stuff that comes along with a haunting so When it was switched over to a confidence that care home they put in the rooms? They put buzzers patient composers to buzz. Whoever was on so one night Mr Constan Con Certes can start? This I woke was awoken from his sleep by a patient Buzzer so he went to go. Find the BUZZER. He checked all and when he woke up he smelled smoke. Doc in the patient's room and there was no smoke everyone sleeping. Nobody was awake so he went to check on his son. Gary on went into the room home his baby blanket at the foot of his bed was just starting to set fire on it was assigned fire so he Bresca Gary Thicke the fire and he may be Gary I know and a second time. They are woken by patient. Buzzer in the night and the husband and the wife both got up and they found Gary just about to go down set of like The main stairs uh-huh was crawling at the top of the stairs just about to go down the stairs and they were like how did you get how. How did he get out of his crib? Nobody known I'm known how they how he got out of his bed so at that time they went around and they went to all the patients. And said did you do the Buzzer did you do the Buzzer Canana. The patients did the BUZZER. They said we do not have the BUZZER. We were sleeping. Well it might make sense. Had they known with the very last note that the Phelps Family Got Oh my God the final note read the evil one has gone and a better one has come so the evil you goosebumps. I have this all everybody look arms. Oh my God he's looking over your so bad. So the evil spirit has gone on a good one is there now. So the Buzzer was warning them to save their baby. Yes that is this story of the Phelps Mansion in Stratford Connecticut. Okay I just want to say that I had a my doorbell just rang when we were talking about the Buzzer and it made it scarier to me because it was like. We are sound technician doing the bell. Oh my God. That story very is so scary. I'm so happy you went after me. That is terrifying. We should go there. I and Wait what stage in Connecticut. Wait let me go to Connecticut and Erin Blink. After that what happened to the hallows it was open to the public keep. It was demolished. And I didn't do it. Oh my God we should totally go. There goes tour on myself and that yeah as might go story. Oh Oh my God it was so good it was a really really scary. Pretty scary right. Yeah I know I just. It's like when you watch a scary movie and you're like why are you. You're doing that like I don't understand why they were there for so long but then again it was a long time ago it was only moving might have been difficult to. They moved in team free seven and they were gone on by one thousand nine hundred fifty three years so you think my region was scary. which was not scary at all? I mean in the way that you should listen to lure episode thirty seven with Aaron. McKie like he really got justice it. It don't listen to it at night. Yeah in an old house. I wear heels or any house. Oh my God. It's so scary. I know but yeah I mean I guess. They weren't there as long as I can see why they didn't leave. I mean three years is three years too long for me. Yeah like after that rag doll seance. He walked in on in parlor like I would have been like five. Have you ever had a ghost experience me. Yeah well the lights in our house are flickering. Oh my God and the electricity has been out there already and they are still flickering. So now you think you're you're and also onto it might be regarded flickering in the living room and now it's flickering in the master and now it's flickering in the kitchen and I just had my family over Sunday night and we were all in there eating dinner and the kitchen lights flickering on my God. I'm not just like not just like a debate. Like a full-on recess lighting all four lights strobe party that's weird. I know it could just be bad. Wearing could be bad word sleep and then it would definitely no no that was made knocking on wood. Not Ago Snow. I talked to my uncle. WHO's a contractor? And he said that that you would like burn up. Yeah I wouldn't fire. Yeah have you when I it was a kid. It was like a well known fact that our house was wanted that was only that was. That's how I so I think Ah. There were a lot of weird things that happened at our house. But that's we had a lot of like teenagers. They're in that's kind of how I I heard about the poltergeist. What about when we're thing? What do you mean what about what happened? Like specific okay One of my aunts stayed there for for awhile and like every day for a week chair was pulled out because my it was my grandma's house and had this room decorated like kind of old fashioned. She had like an old fashioned vanity with an old fashioned life. BET would chair okay at the vanity and my aunt was staying there in every day for a week the bent would chair was slid out and put position by her bed and then finally after like five days. He's a week whatever she asked my. Grandma how come you keep moving that chair and my grandma said Oh. I thought you were doing it. So something. Had slid a chair across the room by her bed every day for a week. Like a spew. Different people saw just like weird white missed situation like libration ratio going by. Yeah when I was a kid I thought that I saw like a weird misty thing like going by my window and then when I went out on the little balcony there was nothing in there because they dislike white but I was little but yeah there was a lot of weird stuff the lights go on and off by themselves and things just used to kind of like like every once in a while you'd be in the kitchen you'd smell like cigar smoke release strong and it was like one of those old houses where you could tell it had like the standing on the ceiling the people that live there before smokers goodness so you just get like a strong cigar and my grandma did not smoke cigars while she was cooking just after. I'm just kidding but yeah just like weird things like that. And they're like a smell is supposed to be like. Yeah part of a haunting experience. You could Haba Smell Yeah. There was a lot of weird stuff and the people that live there before us. I went to school with their granddaughter and she said that her that there was like weird things on their live. There too okay so but it was all like relatively friendly. Yeah it was a duplex for awhile. Upstairs there was a doorbell but it was disabled holden. Sometimes it would bring but the wires except like they were completely disabled like it was a lot of weird stuff doc. That's so cool. Yeah that was cool as long as a little creepy but as long as it's friendly. Yeah Mike I feel like if it's a soft spirit or a friendly residual energy or yeah as long as it was friendly I wouldn't I don't think I would mind. Yeah we it. Might we call it lea. We named it and we just talk about it like it was normal Lisa but I guess I was weird because we were like children. It would be like. Hey it's just the ghost it's just lea. Yeah or the doorbell ring and be like Oh Hey Lee it was. It was fun. I mean there was a lot of people that are all the time so it wasn't that scary. 'cause he weren't like alone you know. There is only one specific incident. I remember I grew up in a in now was out of older house. That was yeah. Okay see see. I grew up in like a track home that was built in the nineties so we didn't necessarily have an older house but there is one incident where I remember. I was home alone and I was in the living room and it was like after school in everyone I think was like at sports games or work or practice or whatever and I happened to be home by myself L. and I heard running water and like what is running water like that is weird. I went to our like my brother and sister and I shared like the hall bathroom and I in the door was closed but the light was on and in the bathtub was full running and the Sikh was full running water. Are you kidding on. You have no idea. What did it have no idea I was totally home alone? Okay it's almost scarier to me that it was a newer house because it's like older houses. I folks have more time to soak up energy. So who was murdered in that ninety s houses all. But I'm saying they have seven years to disclose it right. Yeah and I don't even think it would have been like it was that Neil. It wasn't brand new. There was someone that lived there before. Yes but there wasn't that as creepy worst case scenario just some guy tried to take a bath like she's malone all use that room and that the light was on the light was the door was fully shut. The light was on area. Back was on full that is so scary area and I was just like what the and I shut him both off and shut the lights off in. Shut the door and that was that. Oh my God oh Oh and there was nothing really like. Why does nobody burned their house down? I just that's my advice. Nobody takes it. I think arsene can get you life in uh-huh that's right. You can't just burn down your house every time you think it's on did okay. Note to self are remember that we did good stories this week. Especially Ashley You I love this. This is a good episode. Is it's perfect for the Halloween season my favorite time of year. Do you have a a good bar. Do you have a good bar for this week. You know what yeah I do. Do you know you don't have one nope. nope Oh my goodness I will do. One K by just spent the weekend in San Diego. She's saying it like a local. She's saying like teenagers. Just just know that nobody who lived in San Diego that I met this weekend said I am just. I recently went to San Diego this weekend and I went to. Oh shoot. I'm going to have to say we went to the Hillcrest district. Okay and we have a couple gay bars sulfide and and my we went to shut up to okay so one was flicks. Okay love it And it was so fun and they have like the cutest little lake Jello shot boys and like I love that they're just wearing underwear and they were so sweet and so kind. I think the guy we met there was named Marvin and they played good music and they had good drinks. The bartender were nice and everybody was just having a great time. Time I love so that flicks in the Hillcrest district in San Diego. Okay and then I I think maybe three doors down is called is another other gay bar and this is more clubby And it was called riches okay and they had a smoke machine. What love it? Yeah they had a front room at a back room. Anna Patio They had smoke machines and laser lights and DJ and Gobert dancers. Oh my God I love this full Lonzo funds ex WANNA go super hot eighty bitty underwear wearing go go dancers and it was just. It was a great time. They played good music. And it was a Lotta Fun if you are in the mood. And you're in San Diego. I'll go do you WANNA see some cute cheeks guide afl I will. I will go there. It was fun. That sounds fun. Oh we had so much fun this week with you. We hope you had fun too much fun and next week we're going to do another other creepy weird episode. We're going to say are we gonNa let it be surprise. No let's just. Hey well let's just say it's a possession it's a possession story. We'll probably do a little a sneak peek on our program the APP to I'll definitely sneak peek on instagram. Okay perfect all right. Don't forget hydrate meditate and masturbate cheers to that to that.

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Casper ter Kuile and Erica Williams Simon Imagine a New Democracy

"Good evening friends. I want to welcome you to the second event in the room. Mocking possibility speaker series sponsored by the bts center you have arrived at imagine. A new democracy with casper ter. Kyle and erica william simon. We are so excited that you are here. My name is nicole deer off. And i serve as the program director here at the bts center. This would be a great moment to put on your own digital name tag and say hello in the chat box feel free to share where you are logging in from today and a word or two not an essay but a word or two about why you are here tonight. During this season where life has been defined by so many uncertainties and many of us have entered a time of forced innovation those of us at the bt s center have been referencing our mission statement often. Our mission is to catalyze spiritual imagination with enduring wisdom for transformative leadership now more than ever we find ourselves hungry for spiritual immagination for possibilities unlocked. However you're if you are in a place anything like what. I'm in this evening. You may be feeling rather limited in your imaginative capacities like me. You also may be have been trouble remembering what you're doing at any given point in the day. Have you walked into a room recently. Thought what was it that brought me here i have. We've been learning from rob hopkins one of our speakers in the first event in this unlocking possibilities series about the brain science that causes this in from what is to what if rob explained that for a long time people believed that the part of our brain called the hippocampus was purely for memory but more recently there has been a paradigm shift and it is generally now accepted that the hippocampus is also involved in our ability to think about and imagine the future unfortunately rob says the hippocampus is rather fragile and is especially vulnerable to cortisol or the stress hormone so indeed. During times of heightened anxiety stress and uncertainty our brains have a more difficult time both remembering things and being able to imagine or look at things as if they could be otherwise. Welcome to twenty twenty my friends. Luckily the hiccups hippocampus and our human ability to imagine is resilient rob shares a handful of things that have proven to nurture the hippocampus including a healthy diet. An adequate amount of sleep exercise and meditation. Maybe we should all log off and go do all those things but we also hope that tonight's conversation is one of those things that nurtures our brains and unlocks possibility. I am so grateful to our guest. Conversationalist tonight casper ter. Kyle and erica william simon as well as our conversation moderator. Ben yeshua davis. I'm so great full to each of them for stepping into a place vulnerability and honesty tonight. I also want to express gratitude to our office manager. Kay ahmed who will be recording and posting. Today's event on our website and the center is executive director. Allan ewing narrow who will be managing security in the chat box throughout our event as well as leading a grounding ritual to get us started allen. Thanks nicole. I want to offer my own words of welcome. We're so glad of all the things you could be doing tonight like watching cnn or preferred news station that you have chosen to be with us tonight and we're really glad and really to have you with us. Casper and erica. Thank you so much for being here tonight. A little grounding ritual just to kind of set a kind of set the tone for our evening. And before i do that i wanna just you know. It feels important to name this moment that we're in as we gather tonight it's a moment that brings with it. Some emotions maybe. You're feeling some of those. This moment some of you may be familiar with the writing of bishops stephen charleston who is a retired american episcopal bishop native american. He served the episcopal diocese of alaska in the early mid ninety s and then For a time was the dean of a piscopo divinity school so writing on monday Sort of a an important moment. He he should these words here. We are sitting in the waiting room of history both observers and participants at the same time. He wrote it is good to be together in times like this because times like this have never been before we are about to open a door a door we can pass through only once and then a new journey begins the shape of things before us revealed and then he uses these three four phrases to describe the emotion of the moment. He says how strange it feels the anxiety of knowing of excuse me the anxiety of not knowing the whole of believing the calm center of faith the nervous edges of anticipation about you but i really resonate with these words and i love those phrases the anxiety of not knowing the hope of believing but calm center of faith. The nervous edges of anticipation. Maybe tonight as we gather in this space where feeling some combination of these things the anxiety of knowing the hope of believing that com center of faith. The nervous edges of anticipation. Maybe we wish we were feeling more of some of those and less of others but whatever it is. We're feeling tonight. We're feeling that because we care we care. We know that this election comes with great consequence and we care about the issues. We care about our immigrant. Neighbors we care about The well being liberation of the lgbtq community we care about the the gap between those who live with wealth and those who live in poverty. We care about the sustainability of our planet. We care about this democracy. We care about the future. We're creating for our children and our grandchildren. So tonight as we as we prepare for. What i know will a very engaging conversation i wanted. Invite us to ground ourselves in gratitude drawing from the words of lia shade margaret bullet jonas the editors of this book rooted in rising which some of us have spent a good deal of time with over the last couple of months. They say when we feel frightened or lonely or resentful practicing gratitude can help us to remember the underlying blessings of our lives including the gift of life itself. Gratitude can renew our sense of wonder and awe. It has a mysterious ability to re connect us with god or the divine and restore inner peace if builds trust and generosity serves as an antidote to consumerism and motivates. Us to act for our world. I want to invite you. You're announced to find a comfortable spot in the seat where you're sitting. Make sure your feet are touching the ground beneath you if that's comfortable if you're comfortable take a moment and just put your hand on your heart and take a couple of slow deep breaths in through your nose. If that's comfortable hold it just for a second and then out through your mouth take a couple of breasts like that and sitting in the silence of this moment. Wreath with awareness that breath. You just took gift and that breath you just took. That's a gift to this. Moment is a gift your heartbeat. That is a gift and this community that we're creating tonight here in this digital space is against life itself is a gift all of it gift and now like to invite you to call to mind one or two or three things for which you are most grateful as we begin tonight. And if you'd like to buy just to name those things. Are that thing right in the chat box for all of us to share. What are you most grateful for as we gathered tonight and as the chat box comes alive with words of gratitude and bite you just to take a moment to scan through and offer up your own prayer gratitude and offer up in community the gratitude that are named by others in this community gratitude for family for a supportive partner for creativity for a kitty named georgia. Hm that's interesting for being with my husband in the midst of so many difficulties for friends and neighbors. God's unconditional love for friends for family for a sabbatical for sunset after a bright day for music for granddaughters for pets for my garden so many words of gratitude and we offer them all up to the one who gives us life for the one who is breathing in and among us. The one who is present to us in this moment. I'm anne thank you allen allan. Thank you to everyone contributing in the chat. What you put there is A lifting let's get conversing. I want to introduce you to our conversation. Moderator and imagination guide. I'm calling him for this year on locking possibility speaker series friend ben. Joshua davis serves as coordinator of applied research here at the center. He also hosts the podcasts reports from the spiritual frontier which chronicles the day to day. Lives of those who are innovating. New forms of spiritual community. Ben thank you for leading us into this important conversation. Welcome everyone it is so good to see so many familiar and unfamiliar faces in this digital space. I don't know about you. But in this current moment i find my imagination frequently starved by fear and worry and uncertainty so tonight we hope to strike a tone that is both honest and hopeful to take a fresh look at the challenges facing us to remember that not only is a new future in fact possible but that it is already springing up through the cracks of our broken political systems to help us do this today. I'd like to introduce you to our wonderfully wise guests. and i. i like to introduce eric williams. Simon she is an award. Winning writer host educator entrepreneur as the founder and former head of snapshots creator lab. Her work is focused on creating conversations. That helps a diverse digital native generation on cover wisdom and tell new stories about who we are and how we want to live simon's work incorporates elements of her multi industry career the highest levels of media social impacts tech and religion to develop innovative transformative programming for people in brands looking to change the world. She is now the. Ceo of sage house content inexperienced company that creates spaces both online and off for compelling questions critical confer compelling conversations critical questions in shared storytelling. She also co host and co creator of the rosario dawson produce talk. Show the assembly her first book. You deserve the truth with by the way is is marvelous. It described my life to a truly erie. Degree was published by simon and schuster in may twenty nineteen and puts the power of story back into the hands of the people exploring how to engage with the dominant cultural narratives of our time to build an authentic life worth living. She's a self proclaimed armchair theologian and preacher preacher's daughter for life as a double became myself. That's another thing that i find. I share greatly in common with her. She resides in los angeles with her high school. Sweetheart husband is on the board of color. Change oregon. Npr's generation listen. Erica welcome to this conversation. And could you share with us briefly. Why you're excited to be here. In particular in conversation with casper and in an introduction for it i appreciate it so much I would start by saying. I'm excited to be here in that. That's just the thing you say. And i will be honest. If you were talking to me yesterday. I might not said that. This is an interesting moment in one that is full of so many emotions but i am excited to be here because it is good to be in community was folks who are imagining who are questioning are curious Who have something inside of them that says regardless of what is happening in perhaps because of what is happening in the world around us. I want to be here. And i wanna share and i wanna learn And i couldn't think of a person a better person to do that. Within casper with someone that i love deeply a dear friend of mine but also someone that i learned from on a regular and consistent basis is unfair that he lifted up my book because is in the back and i forgot to go. Get it about it. You will hear it. I also encourage you to get it. And i can't wait to chat more within two there so i hope now you're excited to hear a little more about our second. Guess casper kyle. He is helping build a world of joyful belonging in the midst of enormous changes in how we experience community and spirituality he connects people and co creates projects that help us live lives of greater connection meaning and depth. He's the author of the power of ritual another really really wonderful book by the way and the co host of the award winning podcast harry potter and the sacred texts. He's also ministry innovation fellow at harvard. Divinity school co founder of startup sake design lab a research and design consultancy working to create a culture of belonging becoming casper holds a masters of divinity in public policy from harvard university and before moving to the us he co-founded campaign boot camp in the uk. You've climate coalition. Both training and young activists casper lives with his husband in brooklyn new york and as i discovered when he was a guest in my podcast earlier. This year is a man of many hats. An avid singer and also an avid mario kart player though we have not yet had a chance to test our comparative skills against each other so casper welcome and if you could share with us briefly wire excited to be a part of this conversation in particular to have this conversation with erica. Thanks ben and hello everyone. Yes i am so thrilled to to not be alone. This evening. i think the evening we might be hearing some important news. And i'm particularly glad to be sharing this conversation with erica. Who someone who has been so steeped in both the church in politics and now at the cutting edge of culture and media may gang. I just find hut insights into thinking about how culture changes to be extremely important and just seeing things from a perspective. I often don't So i i really appreciate a louis them in her friendship. And i know you're going to fall in love with her as well so hands off. She's mine that's all. I'm gonna say one of the things that's important when we talk about What it means to unlock possibility to cultivate imaginative. Life is to remember that this is not just about coming up with a new strategic plan or to do list but this is a way that we open ourselves our bodies our hearts our emotions to new possibilities to expanding our frame and so we wanted to invite casper if you could. What can you offer us today to evoke our imaginations as we begin this conversation together so when when i was thinking about what might be a poem or piece of music. That could could get us in the mood. Both erica and i are fans of the cynthia. Ariba who liked myself is a brit But lives and works in america. And i think whether it's looking at the percentages of of who voted. Where when you look at racial demographics or whether you look at the long history The full slavery during slavery during jim crow and since then the continue to correction of people in america. I think it's particularly helpful to listen to black women when we think about imagining the future of about democratic state as in sectional theorist than say if we if a free than we are all free and so centering that perspective is not just a good thing to do because it's setting people we care about. It's actually good for me as a white person to do that. Because i'm insuring my own liberation in that so this is the song that cynthia's performing at from the movie Yet just pick apart something him out lost aaron. It's a powerful song. Could stand up. And it was something more allen said before about finding the trauma center states and that hope of believing That i feel come so comes through so strongly in this song. And i want you to listen to especially to this lyric which comes back and again together. We are going to a brand new home far across the river. Can you hear freedom cooling so as you listen to this can you hear freedom cooling more comeback off to this the but not face turned to the side Wait on my cell. A guy more got is in the back just in case do wanna pin former while the clouds roll back in the star. That's not on us and take my people way together. Only new read. Oh me too long again. We separate On the way to sell. And i'll find with the thing that i got onto a take up. He needs to go into a brand new. A Oh took place. Thank you so much for that. I think it's really interesting. How she uses that line freedom calling. Because i think so much of the work about a nation is about learning to identify in free ourselves from the limiting narratives that constrain our imaginations for what is truly possible. And so erica without might. I'd like to ask the first question to you. This year has thrust us into a moment. Where many of our collective national stories about americanism about statehood about what it means to be a good citizen of this country have been shattered often very painfully. But as you write in your book becoming story smart or developing narrative narrative intelligence allows us to begin to respond. I quote here to respond to the stories that shape us adopt the ones that are helpful and discard the toxic or harmful ones and often times. I feel like to. We have to be thrust into that work of learning sometimes in ways that are abrupt or downright uncomfortable. So what i wanted to ask you is how have two stories that we've been told about who we are limited our civic imagination in. What might it look like to build a new common narrative together. That's a great question. I've that that song puts me in such a beautiful beautiful space thinking about our stories thinking about harriet story. Collective stories I love using the idea of story as a frame as a tool. Because i think so often we misunderstand. What story actually is by someone to share their life story with lean would probably begin by listing a series of events or occurrences. Right i was born here and this is what happened to me. And that's how we generally think of stories stories what happened But that's not what story actually is because you and i can experience the same occurrences lived the same events until very different stories about story. Is the frame that we put around those events and experiences it the connective tissue that links together And is our decision about how we will present an what had happened and so in that we have so much power we have powered to Eliminate important parts of the story. You have power to refrain but necessarily while the idea of story is expansive and freedom in life giving it is by definition limiting right because it is saying that this is what happened in here. Is the frame that i am choosing to put around it and those frames and those stories shape what we believe. And then what we believe shapes what we do and a collection of stories revealed patterns about what we feel like we are and what we are deserving up and what the possibility for the world around us looks like in the collection of those stories in those patterns create narratives and so on and so forth. And so when you ask. How have the stories that we've been told. And then from there that we have believed how they limited our imagination I think about the popular myths. Let's really call them. The popular myths that exist about this nation and about who we the broader. We actually are You know the the story of exceptionalism and supremacy Had limited our ability to see the truth of who we are as limited our ability to exercise and practice humility. It is limited our ability to Repent and repair right alan. We hear the word reparations. Our inability to actually do that collectively with authenticity and honesty. Humility is because of the national story that we have about our perfection about our purity. I wish has prevented us from going. And seeing our our stains. And even when i used the term right and who who was forgetting who was remembering i think of one of my favorite poets lucille clifton. And she has. This poem is really short. Coleman at People be mad at me sometimes and it says at. They asked me to remember but they want me to remember their memories. And i keep on remembering mine. How simple and powerful man that so much of the friction that we are experiencing right now is because there is a paddle of story in a battle memory of what this land is and what the stories the land is telling us about who we are who we truly are. And i say that not to way as down in history right. There's a west. African principal saint cova. That is even as we move forward. It's the image. The entire symbol. Cope is a bird with its head reversed in the back of his flying forward but constantly looking to the past to pull forward what it is that we need in order to thrive and so when we think about imagination in iraq here. I'm i'm eager to get into the conversation with casper. imagination our ability to imagine our ability to see bigger better. Brighter futures for ourselves is inherently limited by the stories we talent so it behooves us to question and challenge To dig to read to get close with familiar with the story of our past as we are designing and writing better stories for the future. And so i'm excited about this moment. Giving us the opportunity Collectively to do that for that and thank you for setting that frame For our conversation casper. I want to turn to to you one of the key premises and i think this is something you develop a really really well in your work of any vital community is how we develop a nurture our common agreements about our shared life together and this is true and everything and i think your work with how we gather in the power virtual show so this is true from cross fed to dinner parties and everything in between one of the things. That's become really clear to me. Is that we no longer have as a country scared agreements on what these packs between each other constitute nor do we really have the practice skills to attend well to them. And as i say this is true both for us as a nation and it's also true for us local communities so could you share with us your own imagining about what it would look like to conceive of a new civic covenant indeed how the understanding of covenant from religious traditions. May in fact be helpful for us in this moment and what skills are needed to tend to those covenants well Not some big question ben. Yes so one one thing. I wanna stay. Sometimes when we talk about thinking about best practices like coveted All the kind of architecture of community. It is tempting to full back into that. False memory than erica pointed us to and so i. I don't think of this as as a as a return to something that never was. I wanna think about it as a co creation of plumping but can be and in my where. I look at the trends in religious in community life in america. One of the things. That's been really interesting to see when new communities are shaping in unexpected places like these gyms for example omega odds communities justice groups Co housing groups all sorts of places where people intentionally trying to one another and to say the way the world is not how we wanna be in awe place in. You know whether it's a as we said a faith community a fitness community we are going to behave in a different way. And what i find so exciting about the practice of covenant is not just that it's a noun which describes an agreement that a community might have But it's a verb because it's a constant practice. It's a constant return to those principles of how to be different together and it is never done and it is never puppet and i'll i'll just share one example of what this looks like on my web team with my two colleagues. Where every week we you know we've written up a covenant of how he wants to be in the principles of how we want to be in relationship and every week on a monday we read it out loud together as lift me for cross small unit of collaboration and then we spend twenty minutes talking about where we full in show and where we fulfilled our covered. And so it's it's a of not just relationship because you get to say hot things and listen to hard things from each other. Which is important if a community is to survive. But it's also a constant effort at living into that promise of how we can be together so when i think about a civic covenant I think we cannot stop. We cannot wait for congress to sit anti to come together model that i firmly believe that our elected representatives follow us and that they will go where we leave. And so i i really believe. In our capacity each of us in our homes and workplaces Local congregations and communities that we can model a way of being not just general niceness to strangers but in within commits with relationships to demonstrate that kind of generosity of spirit that accountability and that courage to live into a different way of being that will then a reverberate into our entire political exist. I don't want to paint that as a fun. Easy thing it's blooming hod And it's not it's not enjoyable sometimes but it is also the most rewarding and enriching experience relationship that i have outside of my marriage and in fact when we think about what a marriage is it's a covenant right so it this as a kind of principle of how we might think about Uplifting one another into a into a a richer full of civic relationship is one that i just got really pissed off about as you can tell ya so. I i wonder if you might be able to to share with us then casper story of from your own experience of how this sort of civic community becomes a becomes real it becomes part of reality so as part of my research twin when i was when i was a student. Actually have a good. Nc school my colleague. I started looking for examples of this kind of a intentional community that we still being built in unlikely places and one organization. I wanna talk to you about this. Evening is the us department of arts and culture which i think really demonstrates a lot of how to do this. Well now you would think the organization that is state's department of arts and culture would be an actual official department. But i'm afraid to inform you that america does not have official gold trip that level. This is people would department as they like to describe it and the particular project that i find just so evocative is an annual civic ritual Which all of us can participate in which is called the people's state of the union. So close we used to presidents giving a speech and kind of news covering it. And then debriefing it and so we think about democracy in some way as a sort of monologues suddenly this moment in january and what the usda c. says. No democracy is not a monologue. It's a compensation what they create. All these stories circles links. So exactly into what. Erica was pointing to which gives an opportunity for people to shed that experience that year of the state of our union. It's not just up to one person in the white house. Not even just to. That policymakers speechwriters each of us is experiencing the state of the union. And so i'm just going to share some photos of folks getting together and all sorts of context and all sorts of ways in terms of sharing what that experience looks like. So you have you know people getting together in a clustering via to sit on an described their experience we have people of all ages races backgrounds coming together and it's not just a compensation people express their experience in op making In a kind of Storyboards where people create collages together. Where you get to visually see what it looks like. A people share stories through music performance. people shat You know gathered in the back celtics restaurants in community centres all sorts of places where civic life happens and people can come together but the best part of what happens to these stories is they act elected. The folks come together in in a circle. Find some way to express what the essence of that compensation is and that all comes together and his collected at a national poetic convening where a series of maybe up to ten poets than integrates. All of these pieces of fabric that have been sent in an weaves together this tapestry which is then shed back with everyone who got initially in a story struggle. They come together to listen to a poetic addressed the nation and they here in that story that little piece of the story that was that was sent to the poets into this poem. And so what i love about. This is it's a way in which we can start to see how small covenant communities. Because i think it's very very difficult to have a very large covenant community but if we can find units of democracy so that we don't stop to think the democrats at life is just me one person one vote i want to think about one community one covenant right like can we shift the perspective of how democracy gets done that. It's not just once every four years once every two years one person one vote. But it's these kind of bubbling communities that commented on alive that that shed their experience and then habit witnessed back to them so that we feel actually like that with pot up something So that's one story one organization. It's doing it's completely citizen led f. Each one of us can host one of these stories cycles. A the the people's state of the union and it's a. It's a promise of of what we could be together. That to me is really fascinating. And i. i just wanna know the way that you've refrained expanded our frame for this conversation that we've gone for my many of us when we would hear the phrase imaginative democracy immediately default to politics and policies and government in our leaders. And how do we make our congress more functional. But i think what you point out. That's really important that you know democracy begins. Democracy begins at home. It begins with us in the way that we practice are relating to one another. And that's actually the way their culture changes which is both If feels think in some ways very limiting in terms of our of our scope it also very empowering and that none of us can fix what's going on in this country all on our own but we can all attend to our relationships with with greater with greater intention erica. I'd like to bring you back into the conversation and ask as well as as you think about. What's about what we've been talking about and and much about what you said about story. What are what are your experiences of places where you've seen possibilities unlocked for us. As a democratic society in the way that we relate to one another. So it's so interesting. I did not know what stories we were gonna share. I mean he a couple of words that he or phrases that he said he small covenant communities intentional community than likely places. And it's funny. Because every time i'm given an opportunity to share a story i promise myself next time it's going to be a big impressive story about my time in washington or some of the campaigns that i was at a part of or you know i worked with the obama administration all these things and somehow i always end up Sharing a similar story from a similar time in my life. And i'm going to show. I think it really illustrates perfectly What casper was just talking about and so talk about intentional community in unlikely places. This is A warehouse in prince george's county maryland. Which is a suburb of about three. Three to five minutes outside of washington. Dc and this warehouse. You would drive by and not know that anything was there. It's just a basic building on. But this was the building where i spent most of my childhood and adulthood and it was my family church The storefront church as we lovingly called churches that are smaller. And don't have the kind of grand buildings in sanctuaries that we think when we think of churches but actually the majority of churches in america do look like this in meat in in buildings just like this and when you walk through that door that space was with my narnia right. It was this magical world where a small group of people are church. Never to this day has been larger than two hundred folks right this very small intimate group of people from all walks of life from all exiles economic backgrounds coming together. And if you were preacher's kid. Every tuesday wednesday thursday friday as well To wrestle the stuff of life to build together to fail together to hold one another to challenge when another I really did see that model in such beautiful way. I think about the prompt was possibility unlocked and dreaming. And i think about how what my father's dream was. When he answered the call to begin this community in this ministry. I was nine months old. It was in our basement. He felt a calling To serve our community's specifically Era in a moment in the in the eighties when megachurches were on the rise in a lot of churches that were in the community then been moved out to these beautiful suburbs. You know where these big flashy endeavors in the five s. Just wanna stay here and serve people. But i'm sure. I am sure that in his mind he envisioned at some point. This beautiful community growing and becoming large and and having world renowned. Because that's what ambitious people do. That's what driven people do they envisioned scale and i wanted to show share the story here because as we look at our nation and then our position within it to influence. I think we are all really wrestling with this idea of the distinction between influenza power. Which is really important and control right very different things and we realize in this moment. Twenty twenty has taught us nothing. It has taught us that so many things are outside of our control and yet we are trying to figure out how to wheeled out power in our influence and our country. This is another story that our country has told us that capitalism has told us that the western world has told us is. That scale is the only way to have impact that everything has to be big that your communities have to be big that your changes have to be big but i think about this small building and the thousands of people that over the years have come through although never in groupings of more than one hundred fifty or two hundred what has been born from that you have people will run for office. You have people who have raised families people that have built businesses people that have designed communities so much life and liberty have come from a small space And so that's what i think of when i think of possibility covenant community in what that could look like the scale can come in the impact but needn't begin large in it needn't begin with vision for changing the world it begins with the practice of community begins with the practice of draining together And so this is what that represents to me. And i think. I'm really beautifully illustrates the themes that catherine was also. Just talk about think. That's a wonderfully empowering story just knowing about some of the people who are who are listening to this right now. You know coming as i. Do you know from the state of maine which is the least religious state in the country where most churches are are small. Two hundred would be considered a mega church up there up where i come from. Many churches are just maybe a few dozen people and where they have been kind of oppressed by this expectation of limitless growth. That that is that is the way you know whether you're successful or not. And it is beautiful to think about how we can have profound impact in small communities of deep intention. If i may have up one of the things that really strikes me in eric story is also. How new technologies are allowing I don't want to say the same depth of experience but potentially new ways in which people can form that kind of close commitment to one another even outside of physical spaces but in digital life and one example. That's taken me by surprise. Is that this. Podcast harry potter in the sacred texts. Which which is co host. Where we read the harry potter books but as if they were sacred texts that could teach us something about a life which is has been wonderful experience. But what what i love seeing was that as the coronavirus really took over here in the spring. I'll listen is self organized to create at mutual aid networks. And so you were suddenly. Seeing this digital infrastructure putt costing at facilitated through social media people with finding one another and setting up systems to more than ten thousand dollars changed. Trans people started to make off for one. Another people signed up to be listening bodies for folks who are alone and just needed someone to talk to. And so those are the things that to me are symbols of our inherent capacity for goodness. That's being challenged this election. Opt to save that. There's also inherit capacity something else but that there was an exciting moment now whether it's Even gaining community's getting together and playing games together and then Moving offline to take action together that the promise of arc is talking about is now mediated New ways as well. And here's what here's this is where we just be go. Often start talking back and forth now because the but here's that's important you know this is about democracy and then we are in a moment when obviously our national democracy better or for worse Right is is hanging in the balance right and and so yes. Conversations about systems in structures policies have to be had like we are a very realistic about that fat. But i also when we talk about imagination. Hope that we can get to a point. I think i know casper is there. I know i am there. Some on this call maybe there but some may not be there yet of understanding that in this american experiment there must meet acknowledgement of failure of some failure that in experimentation it means that some things we can let go and have can decide in a sense say this did not work it is not working and that's okay but what can we create that is new and i think in this moment is so important for us to continue to fight in the system challenged the system the system the system what what are new systems that can better serve us and i guarantee you those will not come from top down in never have historically speaking they never have they come from people they come from conversations like this they come in rooms like this and with small groups and experimentation around arts and culture and storytelling and giving mutual aid and so i just want to be really explicit about that. We're not ignoring the moment we're in and we're not saying we don't wanna talk about politics. You'd rather talk about this. That is when are bali. Body politic is made of it is made of relationship and relationship to one another and relationship to systems that we build and shoes to engage with. I want us to go back. In in in posit- at one of the things you said which was about this current moment that we're in does not produce necessarily a lot of hope for political systems the way we are and how it is important for us to pause in reeve and lament and name that so that we can pick up things one of the things. I think i've experienced in kind of the american christian tradition. That i came from. I think it's true. America in general is we are so fearful of failure like i noticed in in christian circles that after the bad news. Summit always does. But sunday's coming and i want to say yes but the there's good friday holy saturday when you're too and then sunday and then sunday comes but you have to go through the other two. I and i think that there's a really important moment for us right now. I i don't know i'll name. This is just my experience but even in this moment where looks like my preferred candidate is gonna pull it out. I feel like this is a win. That's a loss that there's this sense of grief and lament that. After these past four years people want more of this despite the ways that is profoundly destructive to to to to so many people not not just in this country but across the planet and to our planet ourselves. And i think it's important that we pause for a moment in that place of of broken us and and give ourselves permission to experience grief and lament for what we feel. We have lost or what. We have the possibility that was not unlocked for us. This juncture in our country's history. And i was wondering if both of you could share a little bit about where you see the role of grief and lament in healthy democratic life. Yeah it's it's so absent. It's obvious by absence and not just Politically i mean. Another hundred thousand cases of kobe. Today two hundred and thirty thousand americans dying and there has been no public expression of grief at a national level. it is honestly extraordinary There were small beautiful things happening here and there and if you need a daily reminder i hiding argue to follow follow faces co bid on twitter. Which every day says An amazing beautiful photograph and a story about someone who's post but the lack of that i have noticed has made me more brittle vengeful more Small halted in a way that i am so Like honestly i'm disgusted with it. It s that because we we can't imagine before we have grieved and i will bergemann. There is reading jeremiah. Where we we have to speak. Honestly about the the failures as erica was saying before we can make space for the new An i attend to your your opinion example for this but if you look at the difference culturally between austria and germany and the way in which they responded to the second world war gemini took a brutally honest self analysis of how the nazis had risen to power democratically the way in which nearly every system and place in the country colluded and was actively working with the nazi regime friends who've grown up in germany in the world cup the soccer world cup in two thousand six in a more than fifty s late to sit. This is the first time. Germany said this is the first time i felt proud to see the german flag. Should have that reaction. We should be ashamed. I think to see the the the stars and stripes full at least three four generations because we have not told honestly the story of what this country has been built on. Once you've gone through that then. I think you can you can claim the fullness of the story and make space something that's new austria as as a country never did that and help is a honestly just a nasty strain of of racism that is still very publicly visible in life there. There are no marcus when you walk around the physical spaces of of austrian sixties in the way that they're on germany and so that's that's the choice. I think that we have to engage. And we'd have to find a way to to tell the truth about the history. Tell the truth about this moment because otherwise it's gonna keep happening I was so naive when i moved here. Eight years ago thinking that this was a an obama. America and it's only possibly and it cannot fully become that until we fully claimed that story and lament for the honestly to the mess wherein grief very lonely process endeavor when you think of On an individual level right when you lose a loved one. There's the quick moment immediately following when everyone their condolences in folks checkup on you and they send in our tradition. They send food to your home. come to memorial at home going service in and then there is the pain of the days in the weeks after when everyone else has gone on with their lives and you are stuck there with the loss and the emptiness i think about that experience in relation to communities that have lived in a constant state of trauma in this nation. I think what happened in twenty twenty with out for many many many reasons when the george floyd video became a focus of national attention. What happened really was that. The country decided for whatever reason at to experience this grief along with that has been a plagued in place upon our community for so so many generations. And so i talk about the loneliness of that. But i also think about the positive element is what happens when we do it together. What happens when you are by yourself grieving and you get that phone call and you get someone to show up at your door and they hold you and they cry with you write these. These big national ideas are so much easier to understand when you conceptualize them on an individual level of personal level. And so what happens when this country grieves with indigenous folks. What happens when the country grease black folks. What happens when this country grieves with queer folks. What happens when this country as as a collective greaves for the lives lost during kobe greaves. For all of the hopes and dreams haven't been realized that sounds so sad lament is sad right but there's also something cathartic about it that when you wipe the tears away and you stand up together after that moment even though the grief is ongoing you can eat you. Get your appetite back. You can go to work. You can The evolution of emotion and of pain is that when you release it you you create space for more and so as a nation what happens when we share in the pain and create space for beauty. We can't do that. We can't create that space until we acknowledge And i think casper's given us some great examples of what that looks like a nationally but it's it's a critical part of if not of democracy than certainly of reimagining democracy of the process that is required to create something. Now i I i find. I wonder someone brandon said. What are the people who were in the denial phase of grief. And sometimes i. I wonder in fact if so much of the the the craziness that we see expressed on social media in our national discourse is people's people's morning their lament that was never that was never expressed or heard or held that metastasized into something. That's far more hateful. And destructive the way in which it fayette becomes so wrapped up in that inability to see how a different future could also be good Feels very real bad i. It's so easy to like. Sit here in my palm and like talk about this stuff but my in laws are in kentucky and it's terrifying to like have those conversations with the people who we closest to because the relationships off the most important ones that are at stake. So i i really don't want you to feel like which talking this stuff is like. Hey let's do this It takes such courage. Which is why i keep coming back to this thing of like. I know i can't do it alone. it's too much it's too much. It's it's why. I need you know in in the jewish tradition the concept of a minion group of ten people who must say that the press grief with you because i think there is wisdom in that tradition because we literally cannot do it alone and so i just keep coming back to helping us build those circles of covenant community but also courage that those relationships sort of laboratories in which way up pulled out of the limitations of individual cells and into a great capacity for not only the sense of vision that we talked about but just a a courage to take risks And that's that's why. I always come back to when we think about those folks who may not have the same political perspective. It's like i. I need a team to be able to engage in the assad conversations. I wanna just name the way that this conversation seems to be really landing in the community. That's listening to us. And you know. Janet mentions the importance of of catharsis in community in our needs to to name. These things until nicole talks about what is collective repentance. Look like maria asks. How do we collectively grieve. When we have different phrases for the for the for the stories i am. I think that I think that figuring out containers by which we can we can do this. We can form community and we can invite ourselves into our bests are are kind of the best our best selves. Who were supposed to be at our best. Our community is really important. As you point out is really what the fundamental practice of democracy is about. So what have you all Might be willing to share some of the some of the containers you find. That helps us begin to to do community the best. I know casper you talked about packs and it'll you talk a lot about ritual and certainly our ritual life at our civic ritual. Life is very very impoverished very very impoverished now. There used to be a very definite kind of liturgical calendar which wasn't many ways problematic. As we've understood was a sense that there were collected things that many people were observing. And so i'm interested to hear from you all as we try to to to to turn for folks as we're headed insys last part of the conversation from. How do we name our grief in our broken as to. What sort of practices can we engage in in our own. Small democracies to help renew this thing that is so broken. What might you suggest as some places we can. What are some places we can. We can start erica. Join me too fast or do you wanna go okay. All right well. I grew up in the little village called forest bro which is about an hour south of london and both my parents off dutch said they had very heavy dutch accents which you can imagine if you watched the crown does not always land beautifully. The kind english parochial set. But they were and My mom always been very passionate about road safety because she had a full brothers and one of them died in a car bikers child and so when she sold that the the bikes that was no bike lanes that was no infrastructure of public safety in the little village that we ran. She started to campaign and a really harangues. The local council and off the five or six years of heavy heavily at that was on one side of the road. A tiny like half a meter Like foot of green which was supposedly a bike lane. It was utterly useless. You couldn't actually cycle sekely on it. So what she decided to instead was to create a festival for the village because these little bike lanes. No one wants to cycle wasn't safes instead. She said all right. I'm going to try something different. I'm going to create every year an annual bike festival. And i'm going to create an annual ox festival and it's going to be the most happy day in the villages life And now of course. Where are we fifteen years later. It is the comic kind of institution of the village in every store. Donate something for a prize in the rack. Role and every kid takes in an adventure cycling from one part of the village to another the pickup stamps. And i as a young person fault. My mom was super weird on. This was pointless. And i'm sorry embarrassed by but now as i grow old is what incredible vision she had. And the way in which she tons something from this kind of policy battle into a An irresistible vision of how the village could be that once a year. Everyone got to taste and of course thanks to that. There are now way a bicycle lanes but it the thing that she did was to create a ritual so the village that if you were a violinist or if you were a kid that was just starting to ride a bike. That was a place for you in this annual of life. Would it mental. It been. I was to be part of the festival in some way I mean crazy. Things took place. That was a string quartet in a telephone box. That's the kind of stuff that was happening but it was. It created a a rhythm of life in that particular community that allowed people to feel part of something and build little relationships here and that that ended up having all sorts of other impacts. And so. When i when i think about ritual life and i think about the sorts of lethargic pound that again we we've talked already about how it's so tempting to start looking at the very highest level. And how are we going to create this thing. I think iraq's at least to me. Let's start at the start started. The places of this is rob hopkins is wisdom as well of course to start in the places where we live on all and the places where we can create honestly need anyone's permission and we can just start to create these these festivals imagination So whether it's choosing at people's state of the union gathering whether it's creating an ops festival and a bike riding a campaign within each of us has the capacity to to to make something And i think that that the real powers when we do it year in year out when you're in your ear earing you're out because donswindows patent in that trust that You know the depth of meaning comes through rituals the things that need intention attention repetition and i think that's one way in which the civic virtual can can happen. I'll say one other final thing which is that. I am deeply thinking about creating some sort of ritual tax day because it's such an opportunity to celebrate the investment in one another. And you know to not see it as a After pay taxes but like wow. We've all made this contribution Whatever contribution it is so who knows. Perhaps that strikes at strike your nations before we charge you erica. I just want to highlight nicole's prompt in the chat. What are the things that we might discover as we think about this is that there are places where this is happening within our own communities and so if there are i would fight you just to name those in the chat as we continue this conversation. Where the places where those civic liturgies. The civic rituals already exist where those places where there already are small vibrant unities of Moments of democracy happening name those in the chat so we can celebrate the places where this is already going on. Erica turn it's you. Yeah i mean. There's so many examples of think of when that's happening here in los angeles called open circle at started By my husband but that not talking about it. It's been so beautiful to watch over cova this community. They gathered together really. Add a circle of sharing and support for black male entrepreneurs and the idea was to come together and talk about our business ideas in challenges that were having And week after week as the men would come together. I'm on these calls in these meetings and on these during covid on zoos the conversation would never be about it would be about what was happening in the world. It would be about what was happening in their homes in their families. It would be about. George floyd it would be about You know the lack of freedom and safety that they feel to be vulnerable elsewhere in these conversations emerged in the group continued to grow and grow and grow to this beautiful beautiful space. Where black men come together to talk about masculinity and And the economy and policy and from that group projects have emerged right. After the george floyd moment when folks were really just trying to figure out what can we do. We can go be in the streets. But what else is there to do. They developed a web site that actually helps people tie the issue area that they are most passionate about to their elected official. Create the content for that Then collectively began to develop content ideas and make video togetherness this beautiful thing that coming from the world that i come from which initially was politics and media where so many of those projects have started from funders or from this this top down sense of. Here's the problem that an outside source with resources can design a solution to and instead watching what happened when a group of people who did not know one another opened up to the general public began to come and talk about their shared challenges and develop shared experiences together. And that's one model. It just happens to be in my face literally every saturday. But i see these over and over and over again it. Oh award us uncles at this word that you used ben and the prompt for this part of the conversation you said practice is one of the practices and i. That's a word we often toss around but forget what it actually means That everything we are doing towards this new future towards Our dreams and a new democracy they practice which means we must be consistent. We must do it over and over again. We will make mistakes. We will grow. Things will change but if we approach our work if we approach our contribution to this world as a practice you recognize that there is both impact that reverberates outside of you and also impact that happens internally just like with any other practice that the more you do it the more you practice community the better you are the more you grow the more you expand the more your imagination broadens. That's again what excites me about this moment. And these opportunities for us to connect even when i think about the practice of face right There's been a a narrative particularly when i think of christianity that and even within the black church that oh faith is something that can be helpful to change makers it can be a comfort to change makers. But i'm excited about the idea that the practice of faith is a change maker that by doing it by being it. I am constantly in a state of evolution and growth. Impacting the world around me so I think that is that is the potential of this idea of community and covenant and really living out this democracy thing that we're trying to build together yes and This conversation is just it is too darn short. We are we are. We are nearing the end of the time we have together so i wanted to ask each of you just quickly twenty seconds or less if people want to find out more about you and your work. Where should they go in casper. I'll start with you. Your welcome to go to casper. Tk dot com. Where you can listen to the pulse. Podcast if you if you want to check that out. Ben if i may i just wanna say that i know the eric and i've been the ones speaking am very conscious. I always have everyone gallery views. So i can see you know baba's nodding head and i seek kearns writing things down and david starting to sound just. I know that each of you is doing this work and his living this out and i'm so thrilled. I know a number of pure gathering every week for the conversation And for learning so. Just please take a if you will my blessing and encouragement and gratitude to each. And every one of you felt that you do We get to be the the thesis that you are the real the beating hearts of this work and so I'm just so grateful to have been with with this evening. Erica echo that. Thanks you can find me at erica. Williams dot com. And i actually want to find me there. And on social at miss m. i. s. s. e. will because i want to hear from you like for just said we got to talk to you in at you in to one another today But it's been a pleasure to read your comments your shoutouts of your communities things that you are doing in seeing an even questions that you're wrestling with Feel free on social media to engage with us at talked to us in reach out and tell us more because again this is our one shot to be face to face with you all right now the zoom but we are ultimately all a part of this community in all part of the same mission to reimagine what are looks like together so reach out to us. They're read our books. Listen to our podcast and then talk to ask because we definitely wanna hear from you. So this is a continuing conversation. Nicole folks want to learn more about the center in connect with all the things we're doing. What should they know about. Yes thank you. Thank you casper. And eric and ben for this important conversation story covenant democracy grief ritual while we covered some good ground tonight. We hope you'll consider joining us for our upcoming speaker series events within this Unlocking possibility series. And we hope you'll spread the word to your friends and colleagues on coming up next on november eighteenth. We will be Imagining a new church with reverend emily. Scott and reverend dr hebrew brown then on november thirtieth will be imagining a new planet with bill. Mckibben and reverend lennox. Fear would if you're interested in something a little different from these speaker events. I'd also like to invite you to join us for a five part book retreat. That starts next thursday with author ban wolpert around his new book. Chretien's wisdom spiritual practice and climate change. This retreat will explore. How god speaks to us through creation and how we can become ambassadors for path of healing in this time of climate crisis. We look forward to continuing to walk with you. Alan let me just say when a great pleasure it's been share. This time together. Casper erica so honored to have been able to share this This time and we're grateful for all the challenge and the Invitation that you've shared with us tonight to imagine a new democracy. I'm just going to send us out with a couple of words of blessing. This is from the very end of a blessing by john. O'donoghue and the blessing is called For one who holds power. But i'm only going to share the a few words at the end. May your soul find the graciousness to rise above the fester of small mediocrities. May your power never become a shell wherein your heart would silently atrophy. May you welcome your own vulnerability as the ground where healing and truth join in may integrity of soul the your first ideal the source that will guide and bless your work. We're so glad that you've joined us tonight. We hope you'll join us for some of our upcoming events A final thank you to erica and casper and go in peace blessings as you go. I one good night.

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Episode 263: Larry Kudlow on Inflation and the Economy

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Episode 263: Larry Kudlow on Inflation and the Economy

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We're going to talk with. Larry cudlow on inflation and the economy. I work with larry for many many years. Wonderful personal friend. We've had great arguments. We've had some pretty big successes together. Lori was both the former director of the national economic council and the president trump and he had been the former associate director for economics and planning in the us office of management and budget under ronald. Reagan wanna start led by going all the way back to the beginning. When did you first get involved in economics. Politics after reagan one. I got drafted into the transition with a wonderful brilliant person named john. Rutledge and james baker and dave stockman asked us to do the khanna metric work and the numbers for president-elect reagan's spending and tax cuts plant. I was at bear stearns at the time. And i remember one night to try early. January nineteen eighty one. I'm writing testimony for stockman. You'll love this. I get this little closet office across the hall from stockman in the oleo. Be and i get a call about one. In the morning. From somebody named james baker would come across the street. Of course i did and went into the west wing and he offered me job. He said we want you to stay. And i said well bear. Stearns just offered me partnership. I think i was thirty years old or something and as i said can i get back in the morning anyway. Long story short. I called my then boss. Ace greenburg who run in there and he said yeah. Go ahead do it. It'll be great experience to be good for your career and you'll come back to us and you'll be a partner then and five years later after exactly what happens. So that's how. I got involved in truth matter is i've been involved ever since even though i f five different jobs you know. I've been national review senior editor. And i got in the tv work as commentator. I actually went in the room and gay gains on our when. Newt gingrich was putting together is planned to take over the congress I was the note taker pete. Dupont was there and you were there gave there and i was actually in atlanta the nights you want. I don't know if you remember that. But i was in fact. I'm never forget this after. It was clear we won the majority and you were going to be speaker and we actually have a planning thing clock in the morning. I'm never forget that. So let me go back for just a second. Because i think a lot of younger listeners would be fascinating. Would you if somebody came to you today. With that exact choice partnership in a major. Furthermore do your duty at a very senior government. Would you recommend them to follow your pass. Yes i would. I would because you know. I think when you get a call to do that sort of thing you should do it. And the case because when that first call came to the country was in very very bad. And you know as somebody who loves america and somebody who spends drive as you call our free society and our meritocracy to allow me to climb the ladder. I think i owe it. And i don't know if you remember but there was the second moment i'm gonna take you back to the summer of twenty seventeen and as a matter of happenstance you and i were in johnny. The stephanos office. He was the personnel director. At the time in the old eob. And i think you were just leaving them needing and i was just walking into a meeting but not really for job to step it. I wanted to know who. I thought should be the federal reserve chairman. Not me but candidates. Anyway i met with him. I thought he's a good guy by the way it worked with for a couple years. And then i walked down those steps there at the ob and you were still there and i kind of corral view and they just sit down with me because there was some rumors that i would come into the government and you said to me directly. You must do this. You must come in. And that had a big impact on me. And i had three four meetings with photos and twenty seventeen early twenty eighteen. Obviously i worked in the campaign. Obviously i knew donald trump here in new york privately but there are all these rumors that i was going to go in the only job. I felt that was qualified for the job. And you said if it's offered you must take very adamant about that as only you can be and sure enough. A few months later in late february. I think it was early. March of twenty eighteen. The call chain from toda's and in the space of two or three days. We spoke three or four times by phone and he offered me a job. And i took so you had something to do with that too when you think about how. Vital the impact of the trump economic policies has been and how different it was what everyone expected. You're going back and taking your experience your toughness and fighting for what you believed in i think was a significant part of the success. His as you know presidents can sit in the oval office and they can send out instructions and think something's going to happen but they don't have somebody who can follow up on their to ask. Nothing happens served as kind of there and yawns and so having people who really believe passionately in a supply side economic growth stable money into model. I think it was just really important. Now it's time for a plant fact. Hydrangea are flowering shrub. That's familiar to most everyone these days but they had a long journey to get to your garden. The first hydrangea. With those characteristic. Big blue flowers reached europe in eighteen thirty. When phillip fund seebold returned from japan where he had been working as a doctor known. Botanically as hydrangea. Macrophylla this type has long fascinated gardeners with its ability to change flower color depending on the conditions. It's growing in many people. Think that if they grow in acidic soil. They bloomed blue and a neutral to alkaline soil. They bloom pink but it's actually the availability of aluminum foil that causes the color. Change if this all seems to science he don't worry adding fabulous hydrangea to your landscape is as simple as visiting your local garden center and asking for proven winners hide ranges or just look for the distinctive white containers learn more at proven winners color. Choice dot com. It's been one year since. George floyd murder business roundtable with millions of americans calling for policing reform. We urge policymakers to continue working together to pass. Bipartisan policing legislation. The time to act as now paid for by business roundtable. I watched the biden team. And i watched the massive spending. I watched the total focus on the demand side increasing consumerism. The efforts to productivity and investment just looks to me like the trying to do all they can to recreate the carter. Economy was a total disaster minimize exaggerating. You have sort of the same sense i think. Note that if they get their way legislatively and so forth they may. Well recreate the carter economy. But i think their primary purpose is to undo and reverse the trump economy and the trump policies and i think the consequences of that will wind up being something that looks like seventy and we talked about that in just a second. I just want to know first of all. You're extremely kind because you yourself are a great historical figure in this and it's my privilege to have been a colleague and friend and work with you so you're extremely kind sir. But i wanna say when. I spoke to president trump in early march of twenty eighteen. There were two things in my mind and follow through when he appointed me. Then you see it. Not as number one. His administration lacked message discipline. And i've learned down through the years and this began in my own experience with reagan. Reagan of course was a great communicator and very consistent communicator. I believe the messaging which includes written speeches generates policy discipline. One leads to the other message discipline least policy just as point number one point number two internally in the white house executive branch bureaucracy that same discipline must be enforced always and everywhere and i learned that as the deputy it oh. Md learn how the government operates and knows reagan days. Oh mb was actually more powerful than it has been in recent years so i learned it. You know firsthand and never forgot and even though it was almost forty years later. That was my instinct. One of the first things. I did when i reorganized. The nec and i had my very first things with the president. Is you know we establish this rap. Core he likes orderly thinking as a former businessman. And so did i. That's the only way you can do it. You can't be a supply sider on monday and cans in on wednesday and a socialist over the weekend. You can't be for tax that regulation you have to be he's steady and discipline internally and externally and i think that was one of my contributions in many of my colleagues and peers in the white house who were involved in what i'll call the machinery of high government understood and work with me. It's like we establish order that had been lacking in twenty seventeen and then of course that spreads out to a myriad of issues that you end up covering years ago. I was part time. Speechwriter for william. Simon and other people speechwriting is really important discipline. You know down through the years. I've written collins that's important discipline and then wind up being a full-time broadcaster and so forth and ask for that discipline pays off because people understand what you're telling right. That's the key point. If i listened to newt gingrich. I see you on hannity or whatever the show is. I want to know what is new talent. And you're very good at you appeared on my shows as a guest a million times and that's a valuable skill. You know you gotta work on it. But it's a skill government and halsey and probably in business to especially. You're very very generous with you. Know i learned it. Very great part of what i do in -cations from reagan. Those a tiny book by tom evans called agitation ronald reagan. We i read. I'd recommend all of our listeners. The education reagan. I found myself understanding some of the things he did even though i worked with him. A known for twenty years ago that summit read the book but evans caught this model on. Reagan understood the power is. He used to say he would shine the light on the american people so they would turn up the heat on congress. I was also struck many years ago reading the great second world war military story. Sla marshall who wrote a one point that men are leading combat by simple commands uttered in simple language the rise of supplies which means was to entire show on epic journey. You are two and that camp played an amazing role in once it was shaped reagan. Picked it up seventy nine eighty but that really transformed the political intellectual life of economics in the united states and between reagan and thatcher began really changes across the planet. And i'm watching right now. And i worry a little bit because i'm not sure that we have kind of driving commitment. Both reagan cabin you close to both. Both of them had a passion for intellectual political leadership to people don't realize they both read books. They all thought about the stuff they had friends like. You know a lot of politicians through the whole career and never talk with a serious economist. And these are guys. You'd sit around and talk with you for hours. Act i found myself as a phd and european history. 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Let me ask you you know we recently had a lot of noise about establishing a worldwide fifteen percent minimum tax rates for businesses. And all that do you take that seriously or do you think that's mostly just a pr by countries. Have no intention of actually doing it. It's extremely important issue. Now it's popped up in the last week. So i think that the countries would like to do it even mnuchin treasury secretary. We were very close allies and friends in government. He and i have been working on this for quite some time trying to fend it off. Okay it started with the digital sales tax and france and bruno mayor. The french finance minister is a very smart man. By the way and maybe president of france before long but in any case. There is a strong desire to do this. And i'm very very much opposed to this. Very much opposed to it on several grounds news. One of them is the issue of sovereignty. Okay i just give you a quick trump anecdote when this digital tax stuff came up and mind you. Trump had no love you know for facebook or google or amazon or any of those companies but he member telling the notion and i was in the room and the very beginning in twenty nineteen. When this started up he said the only people who can set american tax policy is the american voter and taxpayer not france not the e. You not the g seven only here. In america we make our own policies. And so what janet yellen despoiling into is a tragic mistake. All right so that's number. One point number two is lousy tax balls all it does is increase taxes on profits and investments and ultimately on technology advances plants equipment and the american worker who ultimately shoulders the burden for all this. The american worker this fifteen percent tax by the way believe it or not. There's a good piece. i see politico or the new york times today. Fifteen percent minimum tax on. what on what. They can't figure that out and then they want an excess profits tax news in go back in history. The guy who had the highest excess profits tax at american history was fdr far of the failure of the new deal konami anyway. If you have a ten percent profit margin you can put a twenty percent tax on that margin acting sane and it reverses a good chunk of trump's business tax cuts which of course gave us historically low on employment and historically religious so this is very bad policy and it's very bad governed something we're covering right now on our tv show started friday and we're gonna continue. This is a horrible horrible idea and it would reverse the growth policies that we had prior for years. There's so much talk about. Maybe we could do this again sometime. How serious do you take the whole issue of inflation as outcome of where biden's going. This is very important. Let me say first up. Their policies raise a very significant inflation risks. And just put it into our supply. Framework large scale hats hikes and all ages spending. But i think the tax types are even more important in the spending in this regard but they will do great damage to the dollar so the mall. That we've used is a steady dollar reliable steady strong dr. i called king dollar and low tax rates. That's the laugher mundell hypothesis. That really was the intellectual beginning and essentially a returns neoclassical for this mandel. Wanna know about prize for that as you know and i strongly recommended that art laffer get the presidential medal of freedom for his work and president. Trump was enthusiastic about that. Now you're going to break that model because raising tax rates will depress the supply side of the workforce shoulder seventy percent of the corporate tax bird and that by the way is cbo studied. But we've all done work on that. Kevin hassett myself laughter so forth. Saw once you start doing that. You reduce investment incentives reduce work incentives. You will drag down the doll and you'll have supply side place so you have essentially excess money too much money chasing too few goods. And that's the risk and it's a significant risk. And that gets you to the carter economy. Which by the way. I hate to say this but richard. Nixon really started the carter economy. Nixon destroyed the dollar and permitted hyperinflation to drive up tax rates. Now that's the risk. I do wanna say this though. I'm not yet certain of this outcome. For example i know that recent inflation reports showing a big pop. I appreciate that. But i want to be careful because you're coming on the pandemic contraction and you had a total collapse of prices in twenty twenty a total utter collapse. Now you're getting a rebound which has to do with the success of the vaccinations and the reopening of the economy. So prices are really banning. And i think right now before any legislation is passed we are still in the trump economy and the commodity prices and the goods prices. That everybody's talking about. I think they're going to fast and need to wait and see. The market indicators are not corroborating the big insulation yet for example ten year treasuries or not back down to one fifty the tips spreads between the real rate and the nominal rates have gone up only slightly. The ten year outlook for inflation is about two and a half percent. So it's up fifty basis points. But that's all you think we may have a supply chain pristine scarcity which has the chain sort of works. Its way out within lead back to normalcy rather than onto inflation. Yes but i wanna say new. If all this crazy policy legislation gets through all right you know the green new deal which wipe out the energy sector the increase in tax rates. You know corporate taxes capital gains taxes. This is all very very punishing to investment and hence productivity and hence ways real wages if that stuff goes through and if they continue to spend on safety net and or entitlement transfer payments with no work requirements. They're doing away with the clinton gingrich. We've talked about this on our tv interviews by the way that was one of the most important tv interviews. I've ever had because you were there with clinton and the work requirements are being removed the work requirements. You are put in so if that stuff goes through. And you're creating all these disincentives to work and disincentives to invest. You will choke off the trump expansion and the dollar will fall. And that's when you get yours stagflation. Repeat that's when it'll happen you'll start to see it depending on the legislation you'll see it by the end of this year certainly by next year this is still the trump v-shaped recovery new. That's what this is. This is the trump shaped recovery from a natural disaster. You know his tax cuts are still the long is minimal. Regulations are still the law with one or two small exceptions that. They're chipping away on. Obviously the vaccinations. Where the trigger the only real source of stimulus. In my opinion this is still the trump economy until they changed so it all happened at one. The inflation will burst out. Permanently and the economy will stagnate. But i'm going slowly here. Because you know more about the politics and the congress. And i but i think they're gonna have some trouble getting this stuff through. I think you're right. You can see their majority crumbling all around them in terms of ineffective listen. I know that we'll have to lose you to important phone. Go but you were just terrific and your duty of certain country has really made lives better for millions and millions of our ends and frankly for people around the world so cheap pitching. 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I'm A Celeb: Bevs Book, Donna the Duck and Riyadh Khalaf

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That's going on in the prime time i'm william hansen d poshest man alive. According to dominic moffitt on lancs live. I'm more royal navy. Jordan's more msci gravies. Having to do one day is becoming a little bit of a chore. Now over the last few days. I've said some pretty horrid and mean-spirited things about my new co host producer ben today however. I've liked to say something nice. I'd like to but it's not going to happen. Hanley ben shammai ouled. Oh you've gone welsh. I don't know what yes is in welsh. I was Scouring my mind. But i know what hi guys is So i said that and said how you doing him. Yes i'm doing. I'm doing all right. Thank you and yesterday we We have asked the jane divas to let us on social media what they thought that. C. t. c. walls on jordan's hat we source again last night What what's the twitter sphere and the instagram speier saying. Yeah we got lots of responses from fussy t t say there was a lot of creativity so actually said come taste the corned bracket beef hash. There's a lot of extra annex. Tennessee t to other bets by quite like that one is the end by the others. Victoria said cooler than tom. Cruise which i struggle to believe which is definitely not true a rage as she says. You're not this one can't talk touching cloth of all messages that you could possibly papa hat it's jordan it's not and so i think that's fairly accurate. I think that got the most likes on instagram. Comments and stephanie said crocodile testicles taste class so she's obviously talking from experience there so that's nice to croak. Downs even have testicles. Yes obviously what one hundred no today. Yes every mayor has always three biology degree. Thanks now this wrong saying okay. Wow that's what. I'm googling laser. Well i wouldn't be surprised and social media is quite busy day. I saw just after the episode last night. Julie tweet us with a pitch an of her in a help. Sex in my boss hashtag get behind jordan emblazoned who or jumper yes. Isolated distance to follow. Distance was grece council. Still gonna struggle with saying that to be honest. But i did try wilshire up there. So that's exciting yes. It's quite incredible. There was our logo. There was the castle and faintly in the you know. Quite far in the distance he was little prick in the distance was was jordan and actually at tirees on instagram. Messaged me with the shades long. Which i think we mentioned how many months ago when we started this jordan mentioned about. Oh it's gotta is long when he was talking about the campaign that they have anti reese good ontario spot is more like sherlock holmes without investigation. I was. I just said that as a as a throwaway remark in the first episode of this podcast this podcast series and is proved me wrong. I was silly to doubt jordan's knowledge of showers. Lungs coming up later i'll be chatting to youtube. And this year's celebrity master chef winner reenter. I know tornado oregon. Youtube like twins. Radi yes parks now. Let's raise hourglasses after last night's episode. There's any one person we can toast and donna. The duck donna. Donald duck is not a person put to donald duck. Now that's not raising. You'll losses this raising what is colorful. What are you drinking there. Yes i'm i'm drinking and even craft ale tonight very own brand. We're talking of alcoholic drinks down. And why didn't you tell us all about the competition. Yes well actually. I'm going to change up tomorrow. So normally what i ask you to do is re tweet tweet. But we are a fluid. Podcasts on fluid man and i got a dm into the sexy if my boss account that says ben. Why don't you do this instagram. You're always doing on twitter winner all on twitter. And i thought you won't. You're right so this morning on instagram. At eight pm comment that and tagging a friend but all the details will be in the post would after my own now but the price is as a ways to pre mixed into when i two other coattails from the bottle water at uk. And that's your lot so off on our instant rampage at sex boss. That's www instagram. Dot com slash sexist michael's exactly excellent. Let's talk about last night's right at the top. we were told best being tensions. The honeymoon is over there all beginning to slightly get on each other's nerves and indeed in some instances the nerves of the audience can we. They'll however before we a deep dive into the episode. Can we still talk about the wink. That jordan does the titles because nine days in. I'm still little bit freaked out by it. Have you got used to it. Well i mean as much as one can get used to of saying a very close friend on national television every night. Winking at you so probably not used to to jordan. God bless him not a funny line at the top as they were waking up and crawling out of bench jordan. Said they're more line. These camp-mates won't laid themselves but then it wasn't actually victoria daba share. That was the one telling people what to do. And it seems again wanted dining here ben. With sergei's only normal series. Have they done this sort of allocation of junk related before and people getting jobs. yeah. I think they've they've done it for for a while. Now i don't think they do in tony blackburn zero but maybe in character owners. I don't know But it's been there for a while and it's it's there to set up what we saw at the start of this episode and really throughout this episode is it causes tension. Yeah and it seems very prescriptive about who can do. What dare i say all my slightly communist which is which is greatly ironic when they're when they're in a castle. Which is you know not home to communist. That's home to elitism and the aristocracy. It seems all the doing that and Do i understand if you are on bottle washing or washing up. You can't do somebody else's job exactly that. So all jordan can do currently is laid so basically. He's he's realistically as all leaders. They have to do the list. So just let me in this podcast. I do absolutely nothing. I just pulling strings left right and center. But that's what jordan has st right now but the others around the have to clean the pots. Shane richie quo could win. Aj how to go. Ask him to clean the pots though and he was like well are clean the pots. If they're going to produce. Ben cockney h i reminded him actually on a woah. If i'm going to clean up on eight our what you're going to do about my age ashley left all the dirty parts in in the pot we used to water so we actually can't do anything yet So problems and i did send out a poll on twitter. Because i know that you and i really am and a couple of the people that i've spoken to a bit of drama of sudan jordan radio involved in that we just want something to wet the appetite when jordan's scream and i tweeted out a poll very social and i said happy but of drama or would we rather stay friendly. Oh yes what was the result. Forty seven percent of people said love. The drama fifty three percent said love family vibes. So thank you. Surprisingly more people want a family vibes idea. Mind of just a glance here or there. I don't want it to be too tense for successive episodes. I don't mind the episode where there's just a soup song of friction that that would be fine Shane complained about his. He didn't say j. Pulled him up on on that very valid point that you cited then ben change. It really seemed to have much to say and then i went on. I don't like all of this agenda so he was not from the north. I can't do the voice. I not go colo this nice uncanny Whereas you know. I think he probably preferred before she someone else does all the jobs and he can just do nothing so i'm glad that he was at a put back in his box in jordan. Thank you I enjoy seeing jordan. Just sit there on his throne that little old for roy he just sat whilst everyone sort of moved around. Who's lo lord foam tool roy. The welsh word. Nobody could potentially. We'll do that tomorrow in tomorrow's episode. Why not now. Because i need to look it up. I believe it's a series of the top of my head. It was a series of books many years ago and it's about a very very young childhood was made a lord. Someone died and his son in his family died made the milord and he would sit to walk around like little lord fauntleroy and it is a term. Listen competition ooh but talking things. That definitely weren't boring. It was the very first castle coin challenge. I was interested in it. Still jordan and ruthie both the the apple of my eye when it came to voting for campus. Jeff go off and roundup some ducks not sticking your hand in a box of raza's as we got later with jessica rene aj but Shepherding some docs heard of. That's probably not the collective noun for ducks shoeing. Some ducks into three pens and there was a particularly problematic duck. Wasn't there been donna. We drank to her just a just a second ago to be honest with you william. I was very excited to this bit. And i caught the end of it but i actually was in the midst of tweeting video. I've literally learned since this theory started. That i have a picture or video of jordan in every situation and i right and you weren't actually hear it was when we were in monaco. And you were. You had a business meeting or something. Important jordan ny at a high powered executive businessman exactly and jordan. I went for a walk around town just just to in the cart and we ended up bumping into some ducks and jordan. Made a quite funny joke. I thought and i got this video that i'd taken randomly. You can see on our twitter. And i'm not gonna want us more that i mean it's not the most exciting of videos no but i just watch it and i just laugh every time. It's it's really a. I don't want to explain anymore and teasing you like no end. Just go and go and watch it and let me funny. It's got something for everyone it's gonna jordan it's got dunks it's got monaco and it's got me not talking so perfect and it's not talking at all the good old days a half by the way just looked up the cliff. Down for groove. Dogs heard was actually correct. But i could also i could also set a flock of ducks both are acceptable. According to what. I have seen i guess in that context. I think heard would be more appropriate. Flock feels more flights. They literally heard. If you're flying your flock if you walk in your heard you had a s- thank you susie den then they because they won they got to choose between scotch eggs the which for those that may not know what to scotch. Egg is a supposedly invented by fortnum and mason. Actually the scotch egg and it is boiled eggs soft boiled egg sometimes hard generally soft boiled egg wrapped in bread crumbs and sometimes meet And sometimes pudding not sure what the ones who wrapped in they might have been one of the concert vegan squat shakes because they won't be allowed but they were probably vegetarian. Scotch eggs to cater for all old. Everybody why are you shaking your head. They would been standard. Poke sausage scott tracks like there's no denying have been soft boiled like it would have been a hard boiled egg scotch. Sausage may around it with the breadcrumbs on of any of this rubbish. That is a scotch egg. I'm told down delicious. I have eaten them in my time. But they're not my favorite. I would prefer to prevent many things on sculpture quickly before we talk about decision jordan nominalism scotched eggs and they are also a key ingredient for one of jordan's picky tastes which might explain the following decision. Oh i hadn't thought of that. I hadn't thought of that. That's yes now scrawny egg. And i'm sure my friend steven when he is because he's sort of president would news. I think scotched egg might be acceptable. I'm not saying it's unacceptable. Understanding that is what jordan would call but here is a sculpture year. Can conventionally at scotch egg but scotched might be acceptable. Please everybody ryan tomato tomato indeed They chose they chose those and but they chose those because they were more substantial than many eggs. Or is ruthie. Henschel said twice substantial. Now no no did okay. It's not substantial. it's so funny. Because her ranks into sort of. She says she says many evil correctly as we mentioned before. But then we get substantial spell it out s. t. a. m. there's no h in the middle of it. There aren't consecutive as substantial so like bath would be bath will. There's always an exception that proves the rule but let's not go down. Then they get back to camp. They got the answer right now. You get the answer right. People are indifferent to to scott jank's. Aj's never eat on before But probably has now because he's probably ravenous and then. There was a revelation about beverly callans autobiography unbroken which you text us to say that you have now bought it. Yeah i i sort of do a just went straight on popular book buying book selling website and got my copy animals and i just looked now and it is now pretty much sold out. So snooze. new zealand's davis. But i have got a copy coming my way. She still gets royalties. I think mine secondhand. So i don't think she will but what i can do is. I'm pretty took him out. They'll friendships on twitter. Not we have been recently. Beverley callard in may will like this. I'm doing nothing is until we each other. So i'm just gonna assigned. I'm thinking all alternatively i read it in the next couple of weeks and give it to jordan as president and said i bought this for a actually. I bought it for me. How much did you pay for it while it was it was a penny but with bogging delivery costs was like the sort of the the main cost i think for like three claverie costs fifteen pounds yet still arguing bev cal free my i'm i'm quits in. I did scream at the television. And people that listen to this car regularly will know why because jordan got very excited about beverly cowards burke and said into the diary room. That's what i'm going to call it now. It is what is said to the diary room camera. Oh when this finishes. I'll be sad reading deb's tails but we all know what i screamed at the television at the top of my voice. Sicheng repression of me. Yeah i just wanted to wrap you up a bit something wrong anyway. You only have to ask after we saw. Aj jessica do their trial which which looked pretty difficult. Anyone six stars that meant that they only had six portions of half Which is a rabbit. asana gamy rabbit now. A few people on our friends. Sam group suggested that actually frying rabbits is completely the wrong thing to do with the took then all said it was delicious but probably would exempt. Nothing at the moment at really rabbit should have been stewed. Anything to ravage will have you always. Hey stew because it's a game. He meet and i would agree. So i would have stood it. But equally i think everyone was quite desperate to eat and giovanni and mo who were assigned as the kemp at chefs were getting slightly irritable with everybody Sitting round. That's where i would have liked to seen jordan sort of realize the actually. It was quite intense for moen. Giovanni and then organize some sort of game. Yeah for them to do some sort of kemp game. I know it'll dibble at so difficult. Because i think they're also hungry and i think jordan is trump near the frontal kiefer being hungry situation so is easy for us to like. Look on our. What's going on now. I mean i think some of the comments were annoying from some of the other might sit in terms of of the cooking. I could probably see myself being a bit of a backseat chef. To be honest. I could see myself therapy tiny bit. Maybe if i'm being completely honest which. I always trying to be but at the end of the day i think giovanni i quite like a semi of backseat. Faves if you like. And and she. I think she dealt with it in a similar way to me because vernon comes over to her afterwards obviously knowing that he said something annoying and he says oh you're right giovanni yep this is my concentration face leave me alone i definitely say something like yeah. I'd like no i'm fine. I'm concentrating on my work. So watch out for that jordan and said to to the dining room camera. This he can't cape with being in the kitchen and if someone's watching him he can't do tie the heat he just if watching him. He can't open that tin he really struggles and say you got to clear the kitchen so that was good tonight. I've actually got a another video of jordan cooking us or few videos of him cooking us. A corn beef hash so. I'm going to tease that but i'll probably released those videos when we get to jordan being the chef. If ever happens if not you never see it. If he does become a chef say yes do they. Today then reelect we have another election. Yes so it's not. I did make a joke the day about it being a four year cycles. But it's not. I think it's like a three or four day cycle thing so at some point i imagine i think the camp decides the leader next and then they will vote for it so then it becomes a bit more chosen jordan among get reelected is what. I'm saying three more days three more. I think we have to mention it. There was quite a bit of watch on. We have to mention it. But it's just yeah. Oh quit net. there was a little bit of bitching. I don't know about eugene divas. But i felt quite. I thought quite aggressive towards a particular member who in front of jordan. We'll pretend to be his friend and then behind his back says oh what. Sign up to do the program. They know what they're entailing. And then said that jessica and jordan are cut from the same trough jessica. She's an obligation. She got one star in the trial jordan in his last trial. Let's not forget got twelve. I wouldn't call that cut from the same cloth and call that cup from two very different cloths. So don't you to french. All men go off into the corner and stop bitching behind. Everyone's back if you've got something nasty sexual of their faces. I mean i couldn't say it better myself why they do. It is one of the most annoying questions that everyone's got their own reasons. People say is if it's an insult while they do it well probably publicity and money. Yeah probably talk about money. Look at me i. it's scarring so that cost of tomato even as say it it was. It was hard seeing people. Talk about jordan. I thought and i am also very bad for people in selling people know when you sort of what you witness a bitching of a of a friend. My brother feel very protective over if someone moans about him i can say what i want about him. Yeah tweet known about jordan own. I and solve making that which looks. Don't you dare you dead name and name. I don't really want to mention but yeah we got. We got service jordan actually smash hit. So that's that's the thing to remember wherever people say wherever people do or don't do in front of their faces jordan smashed and one of the people involved is doing a child tonight so i will be watching very closely. See how he does. Indeed he again all stalls. Let's have some light relief now. Stop doing because it's time to laugh until our side spinach. Get that needle and thread ready. 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Yup before we continue our discussion of the latest from the castle it's time to evolve a much lofton much missed feature of these daily updates conditions in wales. Looked pretty chilly last night. So we're going to keep you up to date with what to expect from the weather in tonight's episode accordingly. We need to cross over to our weather center for an update but this is not sky. News sky lights news weather and now weatherman as win evans online. How is it looking in the forecast for the next twenty four hours in wales is positively freezing. Keep those trunks on when you go into showers chops yesterday. Someone who would make an ideal member of the council crew and spice up any bush tucker food. He'd know exactly what to do. When faced with a flurry eel meatless squirrel or feathery woodcock. It's this year's winner of celebrity master chef broadcaster and former caller to the help hotline. Remember that riyadh calf. Hello hi will how are you yes. I'm really well. Thank you what are you. What are you making of jordan being on. Tv for me. It is a mix of pride nervousness and horror. I feel like. I'm exactly the same but to a lesser extent. Because you know. I know jordan I'm not as best so you. Two are like twins ready in the turnover park. Sometimes what you spend so much time together and you know each other inside. I must be mad to see a bonnet. sorry. I'm doing the stuff that you're bent to do. This is fine. Yeah it's weird because actually he's now being gone. How long has he been gone ben. Two three weeks since we didn't torture him and sort of half of means like it's a bit like he's died in a certain in a certain way. I'm not talking to him but yet and i'm sort of watching a tv show with him on it but it's it's him but it isn't him is not taking that. Yeah it's like the tv show is is a celebration of his life like his self eulogy. It's like look how great he was one. Well and jordan jordan is incredibly modest and painfully. Hang out he's got. Want to be modest about but i it's hard to be talking about him in in the press and even on this podcast without going was at a did. I say there has anything. I'm just hoping that we're still friends. By the time he comes out of it. i think he will be. I mean i'm sure he's the only one in the camp who has his own dedicated podcast while he's been in there if i ever if i ever go into strictly or the the jungle whatever. Can i hire you to do this for me. Buy the thing. That's that's absolutely fine. What have you made of the ingredients on offer to the celebrities in the council for these these food that they get them from. The bush tucker. It's not fair. they go and they eat you. know sheep's testicles or whatever Like we got the stars some vegetables. They've never them in their life and no sauce. No soul i mean. I don't know what i expect. It's not master chef. Will you do think that. Give them like a roast chicken. One day like an animal up there recognize where one day yeah and it squirrel that looks like squirrel. I mean it's not even taken off the bone or chunks of squirrel. It is was that was his legs. Ob gyn last night had stood on it. And i have to say who was g. Ivana was straight in the hands. No meths and she's proper hunter gabar about women she is and she chopped his head off. Cheers italian so it's in their blood. The head restraint often probably put the heddon to send them to message tonight. And have you ever see. They had quail now. Quayle's not that we have you cooked with. Quail quail is is a lovely thing to cook with if you have an often and if you have salt and if you can base it over many many hours you know. This is just claim. Macy rides over a fire on a skillet there. Sometimes they're given food That can be seen as a bit of a delicacy and you might ignored at the ivy. It's not gonna be possible to make it anywhere near like you would have at the ivy or their astronauts are available. Indeed we should say why you know so much about food being phenomenal in fact you. Are you honor phenomenal cook. And that is why you won this year's celebrity master chef. Congratulations when did that. When did when did you get the trophy winners officially announced so it happened over. Sumer a huge. It was july that it broadcast. But i knew since march there was a lot of excitement at a time. The world was closing down and everything was due mcglynn. Yeah the one. And then finally you know when i got to have I think we had like three people over distance course. I'm a vinyl episode. And it was such a relief to not have to hold the secret anymore to the people that you over know the outcome one of them did and two of them didn't that i mean that is amazing to be sitting there at someone's sooner party watching them to see if they win and then they do and they're basically next to you that that's crazy. I think that's the ultimate party. Entertainment and kelly say i also who on a complete spread. The guests i did i did it. Six different canapes. I had the In champagne in. I mean a good host until the point that someone starts talking while i'm on the telly. And that's the cardinal really. Just don't do that especially not about. That's honestly about. I haven't seen any of the edit. I'm watching it live with everyone else for the first time. And if someone in the corner yaman about what they have for work the next day. I'm like excuse me you can't watch. Yeah longtime with a couple of these which we've had a group of friends on zoom. We sort of watch it. And someone started jabbering on zoom over story. Jordan was telling him. I completely missed it and watch. Removed them from the feet definitely have to. I mean get rhythm advocate supremo here. You know that that is just a anelka you just don't get. He's not gonna listen. Uncle the uncle and then go hop on record and recordable cast about this. This could be a pivotal. Make this work and let me tell you. It's been worked for me to your on my jordan north notes. I the dynamite phone. As i was watching last night with a glass of wine Enjoyment artwork. I've got my talking points. They're ready to go. Well okay if you were in the council at the moment how do you think you would handle that food situation even for a master chef like you. Is there anything you can do to make rice and beans exciting. I think you can make them less. Stodgy and glossy by. It's what you do to the rice and beans before you start cooking so big big mistake. People in in the castle slash john go make is they. Just throw the rice into water and boil it to death. An eat the slop. If you've rinsed the right is really really well. All of starch. I've made clear than it's not going to stick together. It'll be license of the answer to fall apart and depends on the type of being. You could do that too as well. I guess slightly burn say burn but caramelized being a little. Bit of charred flavor is allowed. That means that you're not just having clean no carbs. That are doing nothing. It's limited what you can do is let them into. I was also thinking. You know if i was in the castle start just walk in. About foraging finds little its flora and fauna growing all over the place. That will judge the meal. So wild garlic should be that grown ryan in wales and certain mushrooms but then again you could accidentally kill yourself so you have to be careful. You do yes. There's there's no life trial tonight. Because one of them has died they had and then the. But here's how you could win seventy thousand pounds and gene. Yeah exactly we'll be. We'll be bank through this. What would be your worst fear if you get into that program two things. I've thought about this long hearts. I am absolutely terrified of at easing trials in particular am tyson The fermented black one. I just i see it. I can smell it and taste it and i just i pride myself on. If if the cameras pointed at me. I can kind of do anything in the name of entertainment in the name of making good programming. If i was handed enact like that until it to devour it. I don't know if i codes at another thing. Rats rats on sued. 'em i i could eat a penis. I could have a wichita grow or like a cricket but testicle an eyeball or an egg. I have nightmares about them though. Yeah because it's what's in it. It's like you don't know what point it's gonna pop what that's gonna feel like and also if you ever see the eating trials when they buy into a tesco it's this i'm just going to say it's this white viscous fluid that comes pouring out and we all know what that is. It's so gross. But i can't believe it's legal like are they not coke. That's raw like you wouldn't. He wouldn't even piece of steak raw. You wouldn't be piece of chicken. Law here is a junkie tesco. Sorry swear to like about this okay icon. There's no question nine on the outside. It's like an alien egg feed veins and ended the day. I think i don't know why notice it's like high school. Biology pathetic stephens is called the difference in the vein bit the comes off the carries sperm opens the body. You did biology. University did you. Did you learn about this okay. The better they call. If you're having a dissecting should lie down if you were and you will lead to change. Kemp live scifo if i talk about this when i watched it. I really hope that. If i ever go anti-missile the i never become the leader because we'll go straight to my head's own now. I feel like i'm a nice person. Me lovely full. I think the power would destroy me. If i was to change something i would probably. I would just make sure that. I wasn't given any up the jobs that i can't stand like i don't wanna clean any moons thirteen acres. I just don't want to do that. I i don't wanna came the privy. I would cook. Yeah i would be an excellent choice to have a cooking. What would you do. I would send i side of the but actually hypnotherapy. I mentioned his rants. I when jordan was program. I've done several hypnotherapy sessions. Is what brilliantly. So i would send everybody else than may off up on a general clean any food residue. That's on the floor that could attract them to move everything. In case there are rats nesting hiding under beds night. We saw so that. And that would have. That would be daily to the okay. So you're you're a one man to kill your at rock praising. The can kill by proxy. Because i would be doing nothing delegate cleaning. I didn't mind doing cleaning. I love square from the why i can do that. And that's not a problem. But i would be making more but i would be making sure right. Your on jags. I would be making sure everyone was making it. Rach frig rights by. I think the powerball suggestion my head a little bit. Would you like the fact that you had say something. I agree. I do think a power would go to your head and i can kind of. Let me just psychoanalyze. This for a second. I think new in your line of work are quite close to the royals. In terms of the third their day to day life and had they showed their ship and operate on. I think that just by default. You've probably fantasized about what it would be like to be the queen or while i'm disgusted not a fantasy. Oh see it happens quicker than you can imagine. I think that i think that in a previous life. Maybe you could have been royal. I think in another life i was. Mary antoinette's our you. Would you explain why something's gonna shop pain in my neck. Just occasionally rate with hong are. She was executed out decapitates. Yes she was. The last queen of france marriage do the sixteenth. History lesson forty lesson. Finally who do you think he's going to be in the final few left the council mark mine words unless someone makes a big mistake and turns into a complete you know jordan to win and his two other finalists. Campaigns are beverly. And shane richie. If jordan doesn't win this he really. We can't get him to listen back into any of these broadcasts because literally everyone we've had predicted he's going to win it. It'll be really hard for him. I think whatever happens even if he left now. He is star in the eyes of the nation. He's a star is anyway he. He has sealed his fate as a low level national treasure. That's just put it out there. You know. I think there's a moment from goggle box. That really sums what. The nation is feeding now by jordan. They started to show him know advocating dimension and within thirty seconds pretty much everyone on goggle box team jordan. I'm one of them. Said all. I just want to protect him. I wanna give a hug. And i will him on. And that's what we all want from. You know. he is a guy who has really struggled with heights with cluster phobia with snakes does melting that he has struggled with god love. And there's no airs and graces and british public. That you know he. He's a famous person but he doesn't like famous person he's one of us and yet he deserves it every time i do radio show. And he's on astra me. If i've even had a radi badge show and just nato to stakes you'll always inter- comments. Might steve young great show. May it did. So while. I was listening on the way inside the great. Like you're lying but thank you. And that's just what he's still sell so encouraging and locally phillips knife the him get that energy fact because he deserved it aunt. Thank you so much indeed for joining us now tomorrow on the podcast. We are going to be hearing more about something. That means a lot to our jordan. We're going to be joined by sammy and beth. From the pendle side hospice the charity in burnley for which jordan is an ambassador. We're going to be hearing all about the great works that they do. Jordan loves them. And we're gonna share what they do with eugene divas so you too can love work in the meantime please using the hashtag get behind jordan and make sure you follow section my boss. If you'd like to leave us a review. I tunes or wherever you review. Your podcast will be delighted to read those until tomorrow will leave you with those immortal guys one for mom and one for me. 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Ep. 682 - Sex and the Single Democrat

The Andrew Klavan Show

48:00 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 682 - Sex and the Single Democrat

"There. Now, so many Democrats running for president that election, watchdogs, fear, the party may be planning to just invade the White House and seized control by force of numbers, communist, criminals, knuckleheads, and sexual predators. Have all joined the race. And those are only the front runners the problem the candidates face is how to distinguish themselves so that after their inevitable loss. They can still manage to wangle a talk show out of CNN before enough people cut their cable service to send the unwatchable life factory. Spiraling into the oblivion. It's so richly deserves taking the former candidate with it. So in the spirit of bipartisan goodwill and vicious anti-democrat hilarity. Let's take a quick look at what some of these lovable clowns are doing to help themselves standout in the massive massive crowd. Joe Biden hasn't declared yet, but already attempting to fashion a campaign that appeals to women voters Biden is experimenting with such campaign slogans as oh baby your hair, smells, so fine vote for me in two thousand twenty and let me whisper in your ear. I want to be your president after some initial out of the gate excitement. Baidoa works campaign hit a slight setback. When voters. Realized he was knitting. So Beato is now trying to revive the excitement with his new slogan. The wonderful thing about Bego is betas a wonderful. His top is made out of rubber his bottom is made out of spring. He's bouncy trouser flouncy pouncey fun, fun fun fun fun over in twenty twenty. When an aide remarked that was actually the tigger song from Disney's Winnie the Pooh badoe knocking down and sat on his chest. Kamala. Harris, meanwhile, is keeping your slogan simple with Kamala Harris, she sinister and dishonest and we'll say anything to get elected. Plus, she's a black woman. Plus, maybe she'll sleep with you in exchange for power like she did with Willie Brown democrat politics that just could be the winning formula trigger warning. I'm Andrew klavan. And this is the Andrew klavan show. So really also say. Thompson. Zip it who. The poet Shelley wrote nothing in the world is single all things by law divine in one spirit, meet and mingle. The poem is called Love's philosophy. And basically, it was Shelley's fancy way of talking some nineteenth century, babe. Into going to bed with them. Boats are good at that recently. However, the law divine that brings men and women together seems to have become unenforceable a new survey from the university of Chicago says more than half of young people between eighteen and thirty four do not have a steady partner more of these young folks than ever before report having no children and more than in any year since two thousand twelve aren't married, and lest you think these young folks are just having too much fun hooking up on the latest dating app. Apparently, not the CDC says the number of teenagers having less sex has plummeted has has climbed over the last twenty five years or so now one thing we know if the problem is philosophical it can't be do to conservatives. We haven't changed a thing. We're still droning on and on about how sexual take place in marriage between a man and a woman, maybe a few costumes and mechanical devices. Maybe that's too much information. So there is something about the way left us think of sex. That's taking all the joy out of it since that's the first time anyone has ever used the word leftist enjoy in the same sentence. I'm guessing that must be true. I we're gonna talk about all that. But first, let us talk about ring. I was telling you the other day about our producer Jonathan aids, not producer anymore is now one of the many many, Royal leaders of the daily wire, and you know, if Jonathan were really bright guy he'd be working so somewhere else, but he's bright enough not to let someone in when they knock it his doors, three o'clock in the morning, and luckily, he had a ring doorbell. So he could see them and talk to them and check them out and send them on their way. Ring's mission is to make neighborhoods safer. You might already know about their smart video doorbells and cameras that protect millions of people everywhere. But they also have that the package with its turns on the spotlight when people show up it's got its motion activated news, see them talk to them. 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But it really is a great place where we had our first seminar and talking to very very smart people, which is also a change from being at the daily wire, you know, I mean, I'm talking to people actually think about things are educated and have ideas, and it was just really it was really a good experience. Joe Biden Joe Biden's troubles won't go away. And they mean, there's a lot of meaning to be out here both political meaning and in terms of the way the left looks at sexuality the guy hasn't even announced yet. But he has got a massive lead over everybody else. And we yesterday we talked about Lucy Flora's who was complaining about the way Biden has of sneaking up on women and rubbing their shoulders or sniffing their hair and all this. She was she's a former democrat politician. Now, there's a new story in the Hartford current. That's in Connecticut. Connecticut woman says Joe Biden touched her inappropriately and rubbed noses with her during a two thousand nine political fundraiser in Greenwich when he was vice president we've got a long way from Harvey Weinstein. I mean before we started out with a guy who was actually I'm almost certain he was actually dragging women into his casting couch. And now we've got people who rubbed noses just kind of going downhill a little bit. But she says it wasn't sexual, but he did grab me by the head Amy lap. Oeser name is he put his hand around my neck and pulled. Me too. Rub noses with me when he was pulling me in. I thought he was going to kiss me on the mouth. She says I never filed a complaint to be honest because he was the vice president. I was a nobody. There's absolutely a line of decency. There's a line of respect crossing that line is not grandfatherly. It's not cultural. It's not affecting it's sexism or misogyny. So interestingly Joe is getting a lot of defenders. Now, Nancy Pelosi spoke up she said, this sort of thing shouldn't be disqualifying. And on the view of all places on the view. They're speaking out in his defense. He came down and do you favor. He was at your fundraiser. You had every right to say, you know, what that? I don't doubt that can. I say the media is doing some of this to Stephanie Carter who was the wife of Defense Secretary ash Carter published a blog Sunday defending Joe Biden over a viral photo. Yes. Keep jigs misrepresent. You nervous in this experience. And he kept his hand on my shoulders as a mean of offering his support and said that she said to him. Thank you for letting him. Earlier in the day, and it made her feel more frantic sled is not for these that picture, Joe Biden knows them. Yeah. Right. He was behind a whispered to so you have to stop characterizing stuff mischaracterizing it that's all. So for her. It was a comfortable experience for the other woman. It was not what don't sit and wait and say, I'm uncomfortable on national television. Right. How's it makes us suspect of the your on us? So this is very interesting just makes me feel. I mean, there's always with the left were almost always watching something about power. They'll say it's about sex. They'll say it's about race. They'll say it's about morality, but it's almost always really about power and Joe Biden's over an axios. They're saying Joe Biden's advisors. Believe the coverage of these allegations of inappropriate behavior is being stoked by rival Democrats dynamic that could actually fire up the vice president at a time when other see success as increasingly. Improbable several around Biden think advisors to Bernie Sanders are at least partly behind the anti Biden campaign, one prominent Packer thinks Biden will run and is ready to kill Bernie in his quote, unquote. That's very interesting. It's too white haired white guys, basically arguing it out fighting for the lead in the democrat party because both of these guys are polling at the top. And Biden, I think is pulling right now beyond Trump above Trump. So he's a guy they think might have a chance to win. And obviously, that's the guy they want to take out interestingly the establishment is with him even the networks the coverage if you listened to their coverage, it's it's pretty sympathetic. Listen to this. We're still weeks away from Biden's anticipated entry into the presidential race. And the accusation made over the weekend speaks to a part of his behavior that some fine harmless. But that is accuser says deserves more scrutiny as the immediate front runner. He's going to expect a lot of scrutiny, especially as standards from what used to be acceptable interactions have changed for a lot of women in this metoo era Friday back former vice president Joe Biden respond to those accusations of inappropriate affection by the woman who says he kissed her head in invaded her space at a campaign event. Now the women coming to his defense. Just so you know, that that was a you know, they they were for Biden when they take that tone fighting back. He's fighting back. You know, when they sound like that they're making making that's hero noise. And they're making you you a hero. So they're basically standing behind him and saying at least at this point if this is coming from Bernie Sanders, they think Biden has a better chance of winning than than Bernie over at hot air jazz Shaw, who's a very good political adviser political observer, he makes the point that this has been in the press forever, right? Conservatives have been joking about creepy. Joe creepy creepy uncle Joe forever. He's comes up to women he rubs their shoulders. He sticks his face in their hair. He's always done. It is hands are always wandering over people. And it's just been there. So jazz says is look if this were a problem someone on the left would have said it before why does it suddenly become a problem who is contacting these women because these are pretty obscure people. I mean, these are. Political operatives, but they're not exactly high level people, and who is calling them up and saying do us a favor and take this guy down. It's very persuasive argument because as I say, he's this has been you can make these super cut montages of Joe Biden touching women very easily. It's very easy to put them together. So the fact that they're coming up now is suspect. But here's the thing. Like, I said whenever Democrats start talking about morality whenever they start talking about sex whenever they start talking about race. The really talking about power this always they attach a philosophy to the power grab when Bill Clinton is president. And he's got an intern young enough to be his daughter in the Oval Office, basically doing all kinds of things to him. That's not a problem. Right. That's not a problem because he was four abortion as as many of the reporters of the time said as long as he's four abortion. I would go in there and do what his mistress's doing. They didn't care. Suddenly when it was Trump when he was Trump talking about women. Would let him do because he was a celebrity it became a problem. So the philosophy always follows the power, and if you wanna find out about the power, and what how the power is going to translate into philosophy. There's only one place to go. We're going to go there in just a minute. We're going to take a trip knucklehead row in just a minute. But first let us talk about ZipRecruiter. You know, many people listen to the daily wire podcast. They listen to ban. 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That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash daily wire. DA L Y W I R S, ZipRecruiter dot com slash daily wire. Don't let Knowles happen to you. Ziprecruiter is the smartest way to hire. If you want to find out what the left is thinking, there's only one place to go. And that is the op Ed page of the New York Times or as we call. It knucklehead, rob. Hey. Schools. Hello. Michelle Goldberg one of the chief knuckleheads on knucklehead row as a column called the wrong time for Joe Biden. He's not a sexual predator. She says he's just out of touch. I don't think Biden's funkier pine is a metoo story. She writes, but if Biden was more oblivious than predatory his history still puts him out of step with the mores of an increasingly progressive Democratic Party. So she's telling you, it's not about the hands. It's about the mind. That's about the philosophy on Sunday. The New York Times reported that some Democrats are bracing for an extended reckoning about Mr. Biden and gender. If he enters the race, the inevitability of such a reckoning should make Biden reconsider getting in Biden's issues with gender after all go far beyond chronic handsomeness. His waffling on reproductive choice. Troubles many feminists as the times reported last week Biden's back and forth. Over abortion would become a hallmark of his political career. He was the chairman of the hearings on Clarence Thomas supreme court nomination where Nita hill. Who accused of sexual harassment was demeaned and dismissed which isn't true, by the way, she was not demeaned and dismiss she was questioned as if she were making an accusation against somebody. And she never got corroborating evidence toward anything. She said. And again, I've said this before, but if you go back and look the things she was charging Clarence Thomas with during his prime quarters. We're not even very serious. I mean, they were nothing compared to the kinds of things people are talking about now. So she goes on to say that Biden may seem like a safe choice. I mean, we talk about this on the right to you put up a guy like Mitt Romney. He seems like a safe choice. But really he's kind of leading these can't get people excited. He can't reach those people who are between or leaning Obama voted Obama last time like Trump did who got those people to come over. So she saying he safe, but he's just out of touch with the leftism, the socialism that the democrat party now, basically supports he says, he says in response to Flora's the first woman who accused him Biden could've told her that he was sorry for making her easy. Instead, he focused on his intentions rather than her experience a faint echo of the way. He Nord hills experiences decades ago, which you to follow the logic about this. What's important is the women's experience of the touch not what you were actually trying to do or what you actually did. It's her experience if she says she's uncomfortable. That's the thing that matters, and you should apologize no-one. Should judge the whole span of Biden's career by the standards of twenty nineteen but he's going to run for president. It's fair to ask whether he's the right leader for this moment, he is a product of his time. But that time is up. So if that's the problem. If that's the problem first of all if that's what I'm talking about sex in the first place, why not just talk about philosophy when I just talk about policy, but since they do since they do since they've got the whole metoo thing ginned up to take down Biden. Let's think about what they're saying is what matters here is this woman's experience of being touched hugged nozzle. Whatever. I don't like this either. I don't like being hugged. I don't like the fact that people hugged me all the time. When I see I I really don't men hug me. Women hug me. I don't like it. I I mean, they do it all the time. I'm a private person I like to shake hands Salo. But I do it. Whenever I go places. People wanna take pictures with me, they put their arms around me. You know? I do it. Right. I don't talk about my experience. Why not why not because it's different for a man, it's different for amend. It women's experience of being touched is different than a man's experience of being touched. Right. Why women's bodies play different roles in our sexual? Experience in our sexual exchange. A woman's body has a different role than a man's body. Maybe it's the role of being try, you know, Tom TOMS mon- talks about this in the in the magic mountain, he talks about the fact that if you think about it, it's kind of strange that women use parts of their body as part of their clothes men. Don't do that. Right. Women expose arms cleavage all kinds of things as part of their clothing. It's part of their decoration because they realized they are attractive to men and men are attracted to women. Right. That is the way it works. So what about men if women's role is to be attractive women have different role in the sexual mating experience and one of that part of that role is to attract and men are being attracted by the law divine. If that's the machinery of the law divine, and if women want men to respect them as well, they should shouldn't women respect the feelings of men as well. If men have this kind of sue. Supercharge feeling of attraction, wouldn't it be nice? If women would just be a little bit careful about that have have the little bit respect for that. So that men would have different experience walking around. Then they do I'm thinking of a Catholic mother who wrote a letter to the observer, which paper that serves Notre Dame university Saint Mary's and Holy Cross. And she asked the women of Notre Dame to reconsider wearing leggings tight leggings because they cling to the body and this mother, this Catholic mother of four sons says I was at mass at the basilica with my family in front of us was a group of young women all wearing very snug fitting leggings and all wearing short waisted tops. So that the lower body was uncovered except for the leggings some of them truly looked as the leggings had been painted on them. She says a world in which women continue to be depicted as babes by movies video games music, videos, etc. Makes it hard on Catholic. Mothers who are trying to teach their sons that women are someone's daughters and sisters that women should be viewed. I as people and all. Should be considered with respect. She says I wonder why no one thinks it's strange that the fashion industry has caused women to voluntarily expose their nether regions in this way. I was ashamed for the young women at mass. I thought of all the other men around and behind us who couldn't help. But see them my son's know better than to Ogle them. They didn't stare and they didn't comment, but you couldn't help but see them. So she says she she finishes up. She says I've heard women say that they like leggings because they're comfortable, she says, sewer pajamas. So as nakedness in the human body is a beautiful thing. But we don't go around naked because we respect ourselves. We want to be seen as a person not a body. You have every right to wear leggings. But you have every right to choose not to thanks for listening to the lecture Catholic. Moms are good at those. Take one guest take one guess at the reaction of the students of Notre Dame. Thirteen hundred of them poured out to protest this letter from a Catholic mom and declare their women and men's equalities and their right to wear leggings, which obviously she never challenged. Valerie, more a PHD student wrote a letter saying do her sons to this woman sons feel like failures on some level if they experience a sexual urge are they shamed. When they feel attracted to someone had they let down their mom who's working so hard to protect them from the temptations of female flesh. You know, the very fact that women wear leggings you ever seen men wearing tight. I mean, you do in LA but never nowhere else. Do you see men wearing these tight leggings to show off their backsides? Right. The very fact that women wear leggings tells you something the female body is made to attract it's not just randomly attractive. It is made to attract men, right? This is what Tom's Mon was right. About when he talked about. This is something that actually even before I reread a magic mountain and notice this passage I hadn't noticed that the first time I was something I had thought about as well that it's interesting. It's interesting that part of a women's clothing is your body when she wears a skirt if ever legs are part of her clothing as part of her attraction, she knows it. Right. So men must have this powerful sense of attractive. We all know of traction. We all know they do last time. I said people wrote in and said, I was forgiving people for attacking women, which is obviously not the case. I'm just saying is it so bad. If if women are asking us to respect them as we should is it so bad for them to ask us to respect our experience for the world shouldn't they humanize their Loveliness a little bit. So that we're not thinking all the time is why look at that look at that baby. Look at the legs on that. I mean, shouldn't they have a little bit of understanding of what our experiences not not because we're not responsible for ourselves. We're responsible for our actions. Joe Biden is responsible for his actions. But if the intern. Final experience of a woman being touched by Joe Biden is what matters and Nafis intentions. Why isn't that true of men as well? Why isn't true where they put there is? For instance, you know, the entire sexual world of the left is imaginary. They want to imagine away the reality of what things are like. And what we're our morals come from. And why we say the things we say why we restrict ourselves why we want people to dress in a decent way. It is. Absolutely fascinating. To me that win the left talks about America when they talk about sexual America. They're not talking about anything this guy Seth Moulton who is a Massachusetts congressman, and he's just had a baby girl and he's considering whether he should run for president. Because how can you be a democrat without running for president? So he's talking about whether he's going to run for president. He's talking about his his baby girl. And this is what he says, I love this girl more than I could ever imagine. I mean, just matter. She's only five and a half months old. And I'm completely in love with her. And it's hard to leave her every time, I go to Washington for a few days, but I also feel even more invested in her future than maybe I did ever before in this job because because I don't want to growing up in this country. And what even you don't wanna growing up, and they don't want her growing up in this country. The way that it is with the commander in chief that we mentally can't trust where we're women are disrespected where where she doesn't have the same opportunities that a little boy growing up at the same time. What have we have a lot of things to fixing this country? And if I can be a small part of doing that. That's a compelling reason. So come isn't gonna are going to talk about this in the next few weeks? That's an amazing statement first of all is political run right there. The never be president will never be a candidate will never even make the base just for saying that what is he talking about? I mean, this is seriously really this is a country where women are doing better than men in school women are happier than they are in most other places and he thinks his his daughter. I mean, why was he not upset when? Bill Clinton was President Bill Clinton who had actually been accused of rape. Why is he sold selectively upset because they've never talking about sex. They're never talking about race. They're always talking about power. So he's presenting an America of the imagination didn't mind Clinton was his daughter would have been perfectly safe. There doesn't care that what's happening to women. Now, I can't prove this. But I started talking at the opening of the show about the fact that people aren't meeting anymore. Now. It may be a good thing. I think it is a good thing. If young people aren't having sex out of wedlock. I think that's probably a good thing. A safer thing. You know, as I said before when you go and visit a prison every cell has a fatherless child in it every single one. You know, it's a good thing that people are having fewer abortions haven't few fewer, unwanted, pregnancies. It's not a good thing that young people eighteen to thirty four. That's not that young. It's not a good thing that they're not getting married. It's not a good thing that they're not meeting that they're not pairing up. Nothing in the world is single all things by law divine in one spirit, meet and mingle. Why? Because that's the way the world is made. That's the way humanity is made maybe nobody explained this to you. But that's how we're babies come from you want people getting married, you want them getting married at a youthful age when they can still safely have babies, and I can't prove this. But I have to say, I think one of the reasons this is happening is the left has created a framework that removes sex from the human experience. It removes it from the moral experience. It removes it from the sexual experience of men and women being men and women being like, they are the the old the old habits we had of opening doors for women of women dressing in a modest way. Those things those are one of those walls, you shouldn't tear down. Maybe before you find out what's on the other side of it. Because once you remove the human framework of sex. Maybe it's not as much fun as people told you it was maybe you can do that with pornography more than easier than you can do it in real life. Maybe when you get into real life and sex is only a single part of the human experience of relationship, then it becomes complex then it becomes interesting. I mean. But then also you have to start talking about differences. You have to start talking about what men are like you have to start talking about what women are like they don't even wanna talk about that team vogue has a video out. Now. I mean, this is teen vogue where I assume some teens still go to find out or or sub teams still go to find out what life is like, and what sexual is like life is like they have a video sane that binary the idea that there are men and women the idea that those are the two different kinds of people that that's ridiculous here. Here's a piece. I got to tell to binary is both. Sex typically refers to your biological traits that you're gone as genitalia your internal sex characteristics. Your home production or Mon response and secondary sex characteristics gender is about your identity, your expression, and it's often based on about sex is important that we really break down. What are we talking about? When we talk about sex and gender and is there something called biological sex. What does that mean? This idea that the body is either male or female is totally wrong. And I'm living proof of that. We know intersex people exist breakdown, this binary, we all have characteristics that are typically meal and typically female, and it is really about political choices social factors. Ideological choices that we assign meeting to different parts of our body utter nonsense. It's utter nonsense. I mean, some people are born deformed. Some people are born with one leg, you know. But but human beings have two legs. Human beings have two genders. They have two sections are some people born uncomfortable with gender they're born with. Yes. That of course, they are. I feel sympathy for them. I truly do but that doesn't change the central point of human life, sex differences, a human universal. There is no such thing. We have the closest thing to a society that does not divide the labor of men and women every society that has ever existed divides, the labor of men and women different. Every society has an idea of the in and Yang every society has a creation story that includes both the creation of men and women, you know, without sex as I say, no humanity. And when you take sex outside of the human experience outside of the moral experience outside of the internal experience you've taken it out of life. You've taken removed is actual reason for being except the dump pleasure that you can get with pornography just as easily, and if you wanna see Democrats removing the morality from things this is happening across the board. The top democrat candidates are going this week to a summit called we the people summit in Washington, right? The event begins on Monday yesterday, Jamal Watkins, the end of Lacey pe-, stands up and leads the crowd in this chant watch this came here to talk at you. We're going to be here all day, it's gonna be a long day. But I want you to do something. With me. I'm going to actually have you participate with me and repeating some words from a leader by the name of the Sada secure. So if you stand up with me, if you can't stand, it's okay? But I want you to repeat after me. It is our duty to fight for freedom. Now, it is our duty to win in. We must love each other respect each other. We have nothing to lose. But our chains. Now, we're going to take it as loud as we can get it is our duty to by far freedom. Is. Smiled each other respect each other. That you democrat. He's quoting first of all. Of course, you have nothing to lose. What your is Karl Marx. So that's where they're out without the chant itself was written by Asada shocker as he said, and he called her a leader Assata. Shakur was a member of the black Liberation Army. A national a break off from the Black Panthers. Actually, I was an urban guerrilla group that was trying to basically bring down the government by Bank robberies killing police officers and drug dealers. She got into a gunfight that ended up with one state trooper a couple of their her fellows dead, but also a state trooper shot to death, and she was convicted of first degree murder. She was sent to prison for first degree murder. She escaped and is living in Cuba. That is what the democrat party is chanting. They have removed. I mean, they they really have lost their way they have removed themselves from the moral universe. And it is telling in their the way they address sex. And it's now telling them the way, they address politics and economics and economics is what we are about to talk about. I have a guest. From hillsdale. I've got such a resource of professors and intelligence here that I would be crazy not to use it. We're going to bring on Gary Wolfram. But I I have to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube but come on over to daily wire dot com. You know, what I forgot to say tomorrow the mail bag. See that's why they're screaming. The the mailbag is tomorrow could a daily wire dot com and subscribe, and you can be in the mail bag, which is a little uncomfortable. But you get to ask me any question. You want about anything you want, including religion, politics, your personal life, and my answers guaranteed. One hundred percent, correct. And will change your life occasionally for the better. Most of the time you're screwed but come over to daily wire dot com, and subscribe, it's ten bucks a month a hundred bucks for the year and be in the mail bag tomorrow. Gary wolf from is the William Simon professor of economics and public policy and director of economics at Hillsdale College. He is also the author of a capitalist manifesto understanding, the market economy and defending liberty. Thank you very much professor wolf from for coming on. Thank you for having me and not only that we should mention. Because now you're picture is on screen. We should mention that you is it true that you're the model for the Lincoln statue out there. It is true. I said that to me, and I crack up, but there's a is an excellent excellent stature, there's an excellent Lincoln statue here. This is by the way. I should also mention the only place with the only statue of Margaret Thatcher in the western hemisphere. Is that that's there's also true. Right. Oh, yeah. Okay. And actually, I don't have a beard. Did you look you do look a little? Tony. So you waited a capitalist manifesto, which warms my heart. Just the title warns mile. So many people are talking about socialism yesterday. I played a clip of Bill Maher saying socialism, we don't want breadline socialism. We weren't nice socialism. Like, they haven't Scandinavian. And basically he's talking about wealth redistributing the wealth of capitalism, why are these people wrong? Well, for a couple of reasons one is if you're concerned about the poor then you really should be for capitalism. Ludwig von Mesa since nineteen twenty seven wrote a book called liberalism in the classical tradition. Anne argued and made it very clear that the only system that can create wealth for the masses is market capitalism. And so he, you know, it's obvious that that that is the case because I can just ask you if you're going to be born in any country that you wind you can tell me where you wanna be born. I'm going to say, oh, and by the way, you're going to be the poorest person there. You're not going to say, oh, I want to be in Venezuela. I wanna be in north. I want be the poorest. Person in North Korea. And so just intuitively we know that also if you look at the index of economic freedom and the economic freedom of the world index these two indices that heritage puts out one of them and the Frazier puts out another you can look at the countries that are in the top twenty five percent of economic freedom and the countries in the bottom twenty five percent of academic freedom. And then if you look at what the bottom ten percent of the income district income distribution earned or receive in the top twenty five percent of freedom. You're eleven times wealthier than you are in the bottom twenty five percent. So cross sexually. We can see. Yes it. It is clear that market capitalism is the best system for the poor. Now, we could look at it historically as well. And when did we end up with the lowest income people actually having enough to eat? It's when we got out a few. Till we got out of America. We have hundreds of years of feudalism, which is essentially what the socialists would like to have. In fact, high export nineteen forty four book with called the road to surf them. And so you went hundreds of years with no economic growth. No innovation. Why are you wealthier today than the king of England in twelve sixty three not because you have more tapestries than he did the rather you have all sorts of things that he never had including indoor plumbing, which is very nice to have in February in Michigan. And so what caused that innovation? So what drives innovation? What drives innovation is a reward for being successful. And my mom never once said, I'm old enough that she never went said, gee, I can hardly wait for the next Soviet washing machine to come out because it's going to be so much, right? You know, if something's if you if there's an innovation. You know, it's coming from it's coming from a market capitalist system. And there's and and the primary reason is because it rewards you for taking on the risk of innovation innovation requires risk. You don't, you know, you're not innovative. If you're just doing what everybody else was doing. We'll let me stop you for a second yesterday. I said a play this Bill Mark Levin when he pointed to was a chart of the happiest countries. And traditionally I mean, this happens all the time the happiest countries are in Scandinavia. Now Bill Maher thinks the Scandinavian countries are socialist. And they're not, but they do have massive redistribution. I mean, they do have massive taxes and a lot of redistribution of wealth. Is he wrong that that is conducive to happiness overall? Well, first of all he is in fact, wrong that these are socialist countries if you if you look again at the Frazier institutes index economic freedom of the world index you'll see that they rank very high because it's not a matter of. Of the government controlling who owns the property. It's not a matter of the government telling you what you're going to do like, your, you know, or what you can't you can't have trans fats in your French fries. Because some of the important people that went to, you know, the benevolent dictator school know that it's better for you to not have that they do redistribute. But notice that as they. The real issue is when does the redistribution become a right notice that if there was a movie Cinderella man where the boxer has to go in and get some money from welfare. But when he gets his check from the fight he pays it back. Right. He gets back in line and pays it back. It's your attitude is okay, we have the social safety net, which Hayek even in the road to serfdom said, you may have to have a social safety net because otherwise people would be afraid to be free. But when the attitude is which happened in the great society that these are entitlement programs, once they become the idea, these are entitled of programs, then that attitude starts to change and to a lot of it also has to do with the cultural dynamic, but what these Scandinavian countries are finding out is as more people that are from different cultures. Come in. They're finding that this is a much harder thing to administer. So, you know, it's it's possible. I think that you know, I actually if you Google Gary wolf from Scrooge you'll see action article that I wrote a number of years ago about Charles Dickens, Christmas, Carol, and the the the main point was at the beginning these his nephews come in one him to contribute and what he says is not bottom. But what he says is are there? No poor houses. And he goes on for two paragraphs about didn't you tell me that the government was supposed to be taking care of these poor people? Why are you asking me? So altruism is what happens when you have market capitalism. It doesn't happen. When you have the government taking care of everybody because I'm not being philanthropic when I take your stuff and give it to personal house burned down. I should be giving my own stuff to them. So what about the the buzzword? On the left is inequality. And if you listen to Alexandria case, you'll Cortez. People are starving in the streets and living in their cars. And America's just an actual burned out hulk of its former self, but is there a problem with inequality? I mean, there's certainly I certainly know that the richest person in America is way way richer than I am. And and is that a problem? No. In fact, we want any quality that that is one of the foundations of classical, liberalism is that you're going to be rewarded if you produce things now think about how do you get rich in a market system? The only way you can get rich because Sistema volunteer exchange is for you to please other people, right, right? When when Henry Ford Edsel Ford to be a car wanted the Edsel to be a car too. To be, you know, a tribute to his son. Nobody wanted to buy the thing. He couldn't force people to buy the ad souls. But nobody wanted to pay the cost of the resources needed to make it the only way I can get wealthy in a market system is to please other people I tell my students like in the bible, it says do unto others as you would have them do unto you in a market system. That's not good enough. You gotta do unto others things. They don't even know they want to them yet. Bright. I didn't know I was going to want an iphone for my wife now ten years ago. Okay. Now, here's let me let me be the devil's advocate here. Obviously you history shows you're right about this. I mean history shows that capitalist countries rise, they innovate the create these things but in doing so it does create this world in which some people are really rich and some people are not so rich if you have something like healthcare, which is now becoming more and more sophisticated more and more expensive and can do more and more. So that people actually can. Live through diseases that used to kill them like that. Does the poor man have any kind of an argument? It's not fair that my child this. I mean, this is the argument it's not fair that my child should not have this healthcare simply because I have no money. My health has a right to this healthcare is he wrong. Well, yes. I mean where where are these? If you say you have the right to healthcare. Then you've said that someone is required to provide it mareo. And so what we really I mean healthcare is a very interesting issue because the government has been running healthcare at least since the at least since World War Two I say to my students when you're taking somebody out to dinner one. Do you tell them that you're picking up the tab and the answer is after they've ordered right thinking on Medicare works. So think how Medicaid we're the way. It works is not only are they telling the waiter not only telling you, they're picking up the tab. They're telling the waiter, they're picking up the tab. So what am I driven to do in terms of research? Search and put my resources, I should invest my resources not in something, which is an inexpensive way of improving someone's health condition. It's to make something that's really super expensive that Medicare will pay for. In fact, you've probably seen the an-and television for the scooter interestingly enough, it never says how much it costs if you get on their website, which I have done. It never tells you how much it costs. It tells you that what they'll make sure that Medicare or your insurance will pay for. And so what we really need to do on the healthcare system is to switch it to essentially, what our health savings accounts, and that would drive down the cost of all this healthcare other all sorts of reasons why you know, why why is insulin so expensive. Well, it's it's an it's so expensive because it costs seven billion dollars to come to to bring it to to to the to the consumer. So there's lots of things that we. We need to do in the healthcare system. But it is a system where you know, the the left tends to pretend that this is somehow a market economy system. It's not it is dominated by the government have to stop you there amount of time that that really was incredibly clear people that hillsdale are lucky the students you were lucky professor Gary will from his book as a capitalist manifesto, which I'm now going to read a capitalist manifesto understanding, the market economy and defending liberty. Thank you very much for coming. Thank you for having me. Great. I'd let me end with the final reflection. Something happened on Saturday actually early Sunday. I guess where it was taking place. You know, I went out to dinner with my family had a great time and came back and like a fool went on Twitter because I never sleep and all my family went to bed. So I went on Twitter, and I saw one of our guests on former guests on the show Dc McAllister. Denise McAllister writes, great stuff about femininity and masculinity and marriage. And she got in a fight with a reporter who's gay. Usher ali. And she said things that she should not have said she was absolutely brutal to him. She had mentioned something that happened between her and her husband, and he made a very mild comment when you talk about your personal life on Twitter people get to comment about it. And she ripped him to pieces for being gay in ways that were not things that I would do I think any of us would really approve of she ended up getting fired from the federal she had previously attacked, Meghan McCain, and the view and Meghan McCain of courses, the wife of Ben Dominic over the federalist, Ben. I think our Ben Shapiro. Said told her to take down her the the fact that she's written for the daily wire she was basically expelled from the community here. Just a couple of unthinking out loud. Here. I'm not coming down on anything. I disapprove of what he said. But you're just a couple of things that went through my head the first thing that went through my head when I saw what was going on was are there. No, more socialist, leftist attack to be a tab. We run out of people who actually wanted to store the country and the other thing that bothers me a little bit about this. Like, I said, then he says Denise was wrong. I think she said she's wrong. I think she took the tweet down. And it was it was really brutal stuff and not something that one human being should say to another being. Being the firing of people that has take come crept in on the right? It used to be there on the left. And now it's crept in on. The right disturbs me. I remember when John Derbyshire was or Darbyshire. However, he pronounced it was over at national review, and they fired him because he made a joke about the fact that white people should sit their children down and explain to them the black people don't like them, which was a take off on people saying that black people should do that with their children, and he was fired for that. But he'd been writing stuff calling himself a racist for a long time. So they always knew who he was. And I used to I used to say, I totally disagree with John. I totally disagree with his racist points of view. It was kind of benign, non hateful, racism, racism, all the same. But he has a right to say it, and I thought it was fine for national review to give him that perch to. Clearly, they took him down not for what he believed. But in in a way, just being afraid of what the left was going to say. And I don't know. I don't think. I think the niece needed a good talking to I think maybe she should have been called on the carpet. But when we start to fire people because what we're afraid of what the left will say about us because we're afraid that we can't defend ourselves from the mob. I think we've lost the game. I think that is the game the game is speaking freely. The game is talking about things. And yes, of course, the game is being civil and moral as we do those things when one of strays you need a good shot to the side of the head. But then he should not be silenced because she lost her way a little bit. And we we should not be afraid of the leftist mob and left us outrage because they'll never forgive us. Every time we say, we're sorry, anything we show. That's weakness is blood in the water to them, and they will rip us to pieces that was my thought about that. I'll be back tomorrow. Please send in your mailbag questions. You got subscribe to daily wire dot com. Asked me anything you want. All my answers are correct. It's a pretty good deal. I will see you tomorrow. I'm Andrew klavan. This is the Andrew klavan show. The Andrew klavan show is produced by Robert Stirling, executive producer, Jeremy boring, senior producer Jonathan. Hey. Our supervising producer is Mathis Glover, and our technical producer is Austin Stevens. Edited by Adam sigh of its audio is mixed by Mike Corinna hair and makeup is by Jessica Alba and our animations are by Cynthia and Google production. Assistant Nik Sheehan. 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Cool FAB-Racing 2018 - Round 8 - Tattershall Saturday Qualifying

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Cool FAB-Racing 2018 - Round 8 - Tattershall Saturday Qualifying

"The original and best British championships many bikes. This is cool racing. Is cool. Bracing, British mini bikes championship facial partners, Aries to the BS being. Get off today. Welcome. Take qualifying to the final round of two thousand and eighteen. This is round eight of the two thousand eighteen cool five racing British many championships. We're alive for the final time. NT thousand and eighteen from touchy Joe in Lincolnshire where we have three sets of fantastic races, so take you through to the end of the season. We've also got some fantastic qualifying runs still to go where just in qualifying one for the Xtreme. So you hundreds hair attached show as wet eight windy a couldn't be more opposites for my first visit to the championship hair earlier on this season. And some of the championship dynamics really have changed. Search is no case, yo Gorman. This race weekend, having won three championships. Casey is entered this season decided not to make the trip or if it's Lincolnshire and fairplay probably goats speed about home in the living room. And thank you very much for joining us on might dot radio on the cool five racing website and hair live trackside. We going onto social media later on this afternoon for the first set of races, green, you, a vase, schedule laser on any after noon, but my name's Donna alongside any as ever throughout the course of two thousand and eighteen Kiko Giles and new for this weekend. You attacks in website editor of motor school, radio. Has joined us in the coaching box breath. You can morning see Brady gentlemen and how you enjoying the weather so far? No, enjoyed it feeds. So to be more around all day, I mean, a nice dry warm, come to position. Now. We've got great day of qualifying for more in the west. Once we knew point to as well for the classes. We start race, Wong of all the classes before we got ahead on tomorrow, race, two, and three. We've got an action packed schedule, twenty seven races in total, and they're all going to be streamed alive. I next on sport radio and until five racing fake. The fake mates will be like to sharing all your family and friends. So who we put Tim this weekend to do the business, we don't Shaw. We're going to say, qualifying funds out. I got a couple of jumps up for grabs as absolutely governed speed, incredible tomorrow we may even have Trump decided today depending on depending on the results which were able go lettuce, no lettuce, send in your messages. Got onto the AG close making, softening kind of tax in heat does join us your first time here at the cool fab racing championships water signed to come. Join us. The final round of the season attention couldn't be much higher and in very tricky conditions out there, it is all to play for and well, positive, joy issue, staying on circuit. Indeed, it's been a, it's been a interesting morning so far and with the qualify one extreme to hundreds out on track. Now it's certainly looking like a treacherous circuits to master this, of course, being a very narrow circuit throughout the infield section. At a lot of the riders, I have those have struggled around there. So it'll be interesting to see who could not just stay on the fight book at a clean lap as the others around them, paps fall into some just some issues. Wow, it's a tricky circuit. It starts with a long run from the final corner down to term on the first of our hairpin says, quite a few of those here, the circuits, tight right handed hairpin Lhasa moves. You can make going in there, Bush tricky to attain them going through turns two and three short blasts before left. And right. You have to let the by many really beat events. Vicious, get your deal line heading into words. Turns four and five, another hundred a decent one. And then the first of the infield section turned five. The left-handed hairpin it's a bit of line as bitty camber Anisa all too much really, very difficult Sloan yourself up and it's an important section on the second turn. Five leads intern six. The left-handed add pin followed by the right-handed Adleman follow. Then another left-handed happened long get you can really apply the power house about final left-handed happened. A short van merely carry on left. You have a bit of a left off going into the next corner and then to corners after go in ninety degree, right-hander bring back onto the outfield seconds and then a long run through the final corner, say flat on the throttle even in each treacherously wet conditions on over the finish line notes, say, start, they starts little tool. It's time one. We help sometimes with a little bit of the action less time to accelerate, but still can cause some great overtaking moves as we had earlier on in the season and that takes you round one lap of the tattoos all sec. It's in Lincolnshire the extreme two hundred just finishing their first qualifying session of the day, Charlie nece bit about half a second quick point, four, nine, nine to be specific ahead of which homes Williams and Brandon peril with Elliot Duffin and that care Armstrong in fifth place with just Ingram Ashburn, counter Wybrow, Felix and Alex Vella rounding out the top ten Alexey costs having quite a large crush first time outs here early on in the season Kiko coming over the start finish line. Good to return four for the circuit may be to get those demons out the massive crush area, a big crash back Wilton mill. When he bought them at flag out, hope that he's recovery kidney infection as well. So he's been in the wars a bit this year. He's back in. I think he's ready to point a good display. This weekend top ten's will be if he Connie might try and get in that top the top six, maybe so lots and lots of of targets for Alex. Tom Weeden is in this class as well in the in the extreme hundreds, but you all listening to live coverage of the eight and final round of the eighteen cool racing. British minibar championships ones are still going to listen to this. Is bracing, British mini bikes championship. Steve and see position well races and in all kinds of motorsports. People can be quite superstitious. Many people avoid the rain, which is something that the many Ephron cycles unfortunately can't do at the moments. Make Williams on provisional pole position a fifty eight point four one seven point zero three, six waltzes mic Lee though. Also quite close behind just thirty two hundred behind Jack causes in thirds. Incerned AGM's is there any fifty six hundred behind mic Lee? So second place through two full place is very close. The moment Simon Edson running in fifth moments. Richard Davies, the two thirty machine is a new name. The notes. New number slightly different name on board. The number thirty sheen Jason green streets. The number ninety back once again running and nine in seventh place with John husker some Klaus eleven being ridden by some clouds and Scott ju it's running in the top ten of a good entry. Say they speak and hopefully make it all through to the race, six minutes and twenty five of this session plates whether seems a bit automated at the moment. Dr. it's eight degrees, whether according to time screen may well sudden with clouds some with class, we do have some sun. The sun is about thirty miles away. We might have some some sometimes, but as a bit lighter than it has been over the course of today. So far, although the rain is heavier, this big Reese details coming off the back of the Minneapolis sidecars visibility will be consideration taken as we get in. See the racing licence as well Kiko. Exactly. Especially when they go speedboat in some nights. Of course. Next loaded, chump ships if we carry on with this terrible weather, but all in all, we should be getting good load races. Remember back, read lots when he was you soak in when we was at Gleneagles soaking the senior mini motos where the races that we can absolutely have you on left talking to have. So that was going to be some big action. Although I said this weekend. Still to come qualifying to. We'll start in just a few moments time and the minneap fun site Qasr just enjoying some extra tracks in the soaking wet conditions at Taizhou in Lincolnshire round dates of the two thousand and eighteen cool racing British mini pie championships, and in case you don't know it is the final round all the season on Sunday nights we do as you have a presentation evening. We say tastic evening of entertainment with rumors of a hug, voice being kikoko's. In well and truly hasn't says what you guys are up. I think I think one just view specifically key. They will be going on foam around about seven. We'll be some test against. Hopefully we'll see we'll that should be well catered for nonetheless. And check it fly just coming out now for the Minneapolis inside cows, fifty seven point five is now make Williams's fastest lap aboard than maternity six machine. One point eight, nine zero quick. Then Jack Wolters twenty six ahead of number to make Lee head of agent ams, Simon Edison in forty six, Richard Davies on the number to thirty six had Jason green streets, some clouds, John husker, and Scott QA rounding out the runners in this session not runs out qualifying one now onto the second sets of qualifying in just a few moments time, starting with the forty will be the first outs and well. In Joe quite an interesting session, single bite, they alone cutting through the water. They just tend to float over the water in go over coinage accent joining us this weekend website editor of motor sports radio and well, it's going to be an interesting weekend qualifying to this is when the pressure starts to come on, and when the pressure comes on and in tricky conditions ads for some very difficult conditions to be had. Indeed, indeed, Dan, it's certainly not going to be one where the drivers with riders are liking the conditions on try, but it is what we're dealt with. This is where the real, whether real talents can come out from a lot of them. The first ride is are coming onto track. Now. It's certainly a case of taking it very easy on the happen to us. I don't blame them considering what we've seen in the previous sessions. Dan, it's very interesting to see how all the drivers are. Most writers are mostly spaced out on the track. Neither of them really jostling. At this time you wouldn't wanna be wrestling in qualifying this is a crucial time qualifying to for the mini GP seventies hours onto sake in wet conditions. You don't wanna be riding too close survey. Stopping start circuit, the Tatchell circuits. It's ready to find your rhythm. Its gets quite difficult at times to have a good rhythm around the circuit and well, as you say on, you've got to train space yourself out, find your own comforting because you don't wanna leave pushing too hard to seen you. Don't wanna be just finding someone in front of you because I can really put you as you make a start into a qualifying lap color. Indeed because of the weather, there's not going to be a loss of grip on the track as a result and getting out I or waking them you're the loss on track isn't necessarily going to be all that's important to these young writers, however, making sure you have the space, making sure you're not caught up in anyone's spray. We'll certainly be a lot more important for lots of these young runners. Rossi top. The opening qualifying session fall GP seventies earlier on warm mix, zero, zero, one, three, five beat for those out there. Not taking dishes a lot worse. Pay continuing to get worse. It's still waiting relatively heavily, I think. So I had of Evan bell foot, Harrison Crosby, James rose and bathe. Easter Campbell, your top five. All he will could are having a great performance in six base Taylor, Lawrence, seven, eight, nine thousand Davidson Sean able. Pleating the top ten as you say, Kiko it is pretty wet all that. However, the times do appear to be already coming down, oh, and mellow. The first to really set a competitive time with a one minute flat point, seven. It's certainly competitive compared to what we had in qualifying walnut would have put him third, but the be interesting to see who else conjoint him towards the front session. We've just have Baillie Stewart, Campbell beats the time now with a seven, seven, three. And as the first rider to go below the one minute Mark with James rose, we really could see them now moving ahead of all of those four point one times. Absolutely. These are becoming a bit more climatize to the conditions out there into limit, and again feel for the circuit conditions. Of course, they wouldn't been in the wet shit. Shit. I Troy ounce in the wet because like we alluded to earlier, it was absolutely baking hall the on the season when we came at the end of may. So these is it's the first time I've had wet running. Got touches shoal and now we have not since Grammy does that was back in July. Mitchell. I orchestra you avant down the next hits on turn five at the happen. Who as always been Mela I remember was going down to the one these mothers and okay, pixie bike up marshalls, run to help him back on his merry way. But Rossi Banham is back at the top fifty. Nine point five for him. Now James rose fifty. Nine point nine, so full and a half, ten separate talk to and they are the only vendors so far in the fifty. Nine second brackets, fifty hundred second bucket allusive as you say Kiko for many so far. But as we continue with this session, three minutes, thirty five. The less content created in this session so far and then a Mathare seen enjoying some good luck outs. The moments will minutes point three, four, six, it's benchmark from James, Evan fell fit you. We did. She missed the Saturday. The last race meeting. We were here couple of hours ago and didn't like in any this today running. Sat stop for the bike in both of basis on the Sunday, yellow flags out a gain. There's a bike right is up on the outside. The sunny waiting to get going. The James Rosen a myth. Twenty eight had a slight mishap out of turn seven, but in tricky conditions like this, just a smidge too. Early on the throttle and even these these bikes, the largest amount of talk, you can spin the wheel can cause pebble especially late on in the face when you're fighting for a race win. Indeed, Dan, it was a good early map. It was. It was a good early. From rose and he'll be disappointed to lost the momentum. At this point in the session, there is still a few minutes to run butts. This food really hampered a shot at pole position for the young number twenty eight is another down the far side of the circuit dot com. Quite safe is, is I Kate poses bike out the weeds and back onto the circuit. So traitress conditions causing a few accidents. We saw them this morning as well and qualifying one St.. So it's difficult outlet for those are trying to find not only clean lap, but a clear a space to work no way into Charney, keep online, staying those white lines and the cubs. You do not want to be wondering out that just so treacherous going to be so gingerly on the power down goes another either. That's turned seven up when, okay, not quite joy is green machine, so. Okay. Now, as I say, marshalls now run to help them not so who was tailor law Vincent Matan. Yeah. Those title charges realize is obvious saying, I'm sure is the green and white spike, say long down. Again, he's other couple of foals this year, but he's comeback stronger. Every times I. Hopefully come races later on, we're going to be seeing. Title owns, come up foodie oughta. He Tony sits in this session lap time of one minute four point zero in early on, he was seven with a lap time. One minutes once I was going to be time to go yet the man to wash right now is Bailey Stuart Campbell. Having initially improved his time to fifty nine point three. He has just gone even quicker. Fifty nine point one, four, five now point three of a second ahead of his nearest rival Rossi banner. But destroyed come was fifth this morning and he actually blitzed these time from this morning. So straight Campbell, looking to sign of this year on high ups and downs all the way through the no one has really been able to get to name case golden Keiser. Hearsay gives everyone a bit more of a chance to get today name and on that winning sheet come knee end of the year, but none of I just struggling around and was James is again twenty eight in the fluorescent yellow twenty eight. So have you just taken that time looking down the order fin smart ninth-place he will look to improve from now on wall still on the fun thing. He's only seven moment. Good stuff from rusty Banham good ride out. Last time at to mail. He at the moment would be starts on the provisional front row, not safe ahead of Evan Belford just making a slight improvement starting to catch up into the fifty nine fifty nine point nine two zero only sixty five. Hundreds of head of James. So full does now in the soap, fifty nine. But then we go to fifth place own medicine in the woman at point seven. So nearly a second behind full place a bit of a gap starting to merge as what is really learning the grip in this circuit. But as you mentioned, he Carreno case Gorman not really incentivizes people to push not little bit further, especially those who are going to be coming in back into them any GP seventy four next season getting a season of experience and I wanted to really have a championship sales, right? I just pulled off on the left outside ten number five. Just waiting to join a psychic leaflet from the mall show all seems to be okay, but yellow flags out. So no van improvements on that lap then checkered flag will be made ready. Very, very soon as we come into the final minute side of this qualifying session. 'find not the mo- babies to come with Bill and poll foam. Your seat Banham haven't Belford. They're in third place. James, those falls. So the front, the front, four, all in non second bracket is what you need to be doing is getting round touch in less than sixty seconds in the way. If you want to get near to the front two rows and as old so important go down into all, could I turn happen? Checkered flag ace out. So will we see any improvements? Can't can't imagine side. There's no one read looking like they can pull anything out of the bag here. The yellow flags being waved as well out with a slow tomorrow does up. How does he Crosby going to fifth place? The motel? We meltdown position, not some woman fall, doesn't trouble the fall. I was causing than the news. He goes out to fix mice, head off rose, three couple of inches. Smart has just jumped down a positioning. Alfie Davidson's is come out into ninth place. So moves in Shaka's down, failed, but nothing interfering with the top of this standing Beatty strict Campbell will start the final mini g. p. seventy class races from pole position Rossi by them in second place. Evan Belford is James rose is forced will get confirmation on the rest of the grit. When we get the cheats to after lunch, you're listening to live coverage of round the final land bracing British many championship from a wet Lincolnshire. We hope you're enjoying. He is cool by breaks. Live coverage all season on the fan, bracing, Facebook page and on the website who fab raising dot com. The original and best British championships, the mini bikes. This cool fabric saying. Mini GP seventies having just finished that qualifying session head for a bit of well, joy space out the moments Bailey's to Campbell taking pole position in last Kaseke running the second faster than the China Swanee woman at one point, three competitor fifty nine point one. So track conditions really having improved since this morning. The vein now starting to fall down heavy at once again, out onto seconds full on next session. The next qualifying to session of the weekend live on motorsport door radio on the cool five racing websites. And later on this afternoon on social media, you're listening to live coverage of the two thousand and eighteen coup Fabri sing British many bite championships, the full forty pros now onto circuits, smaller, Pike's sorts of float and glide. Over the puddles. Molin Cussing through them will still be challenging for them to find some rights space on the circuit, always challenging real thing to find some space on the second get into the victim for qualifying and to set up listening time that you need to get the best position over the course of the three races. This is the forty pro Kathy gray message. One of the major championships are yet three decided story so far this year Mason foster versus Johnny garnish. It really has been between those two and coming back to to show. We're looking to say which one will leave here with the ship Mason. Foster all the needs to do is big, Johnny colonies by five points or more, and he will be the series champion. But looking back earlier this year back when we was here such short, it's not that easy. Johnny gone took a hatchet, convict trees and scored nineteen points more than Mason foster. They champ. Ship is by no means done and dusty yet anything can happen and it most likely will. We've seen so many tops and turns this year as we as the season is just from one chapter to another. It's been a fantastic series to watch any. It's all coming to a big crescendo here. This weekend show just pulled off to the left of the circuit. That's at ten, six tonight. Jake Stevenson in the fluorescent yellow and red. The number sixty seven in shakey Byrne libary that just walk by. Disconsolate I must say, doesn't look to these that looks like a bike breaking down, said Albany, Jacob, Stevenson problems there. But at the moment, Sullivan Mounsey as talk. I had claimed to that and Johnny gone is is third Mason foster any fifth, but it is early those just yet. Plus he's time for things to change. We've only had two minutes and twenty one. This session completes only one real flying from the virus out there so far and. So Sullivan Mounsey at the top of the session with a fifty six point eight has to a fifty eight point two, four, Johnny Gonesse him and well Mason foster fighting all season loan. And twelve Kana Jackson joins us Sullivan Mounsey flying out this for seven times quicker than Mason foster. But Mason foster joining Gonesse on just worrying pounce the positions for the grit, they worrying championship positions. Alternately, they are born himself as head of strong morning actually was second in qualify one with a time of fifty eight flat. So this is a real improvement from the number forty four who, as you say will want to end the season on a high has had a strong season up until now, but we'll certainly be one to throw something into the woodworks for Mason foster. Mounsey I'm in great writing, especially in the wet conditions. Sullivan rarely does like the wet conditions, brief yellow flag. Turn number five. Just on the exit of the vibe is right hand side. Also, one down at ten full-back continues on so yellow flags by in around the circuit term set. Some really real quick laps now mentioning Sullivan Mounsey the wet weather. One g Weiji Harrison, great defensive writing woman. I said, Mason foster was some great strapping does enjoy these conditions. So the number forty, four wealth, rowing's good positions Heiki don't forget though the ram. The fog g wa, Donna goals when we was at red blood in when it was raining Sullivan Mounsey Mason foster coming together and they both ended up ended up going down. So anything time happened. Wet weather is a nightmare for our someone else's. A slate off at turned takes up at the moment when quite sure who it is, but they get back on the bike and again, sullen man's then toppled these sessions. So Paul fifty six to he has gone. On in two seconds quick than he went this morning. So Sunlen Mounsey may can short work all this position Mason foster. He was taught this morning. He second, he's just gonna. Talk hype plays. I say, foster has crossed the line on top fifty, five nine, not as about a second is exactly more or less second quicker than this one Mason foster Sullivan. Mounsey Johnny gone in third place, Clayton Edmonds is false. It's very interesting to pull away this sort of gap in fronted in Gonesse who I wouldn't say struggling down third, but he is one point, eight seconds back from his championship rival and that will not be no, not be sending really what he wants to the end of this session. Mousy does continue to keep him on this Stony point to the second back as you say. But it does appear to be the front to starting to really make an impact in this qualifying session cedar you this year. Sullivan marrone's eve can lead rights as annoyed. Mezza poss- because he's so lay on the price. And we saw was on the third rights backing GUI that Mason foster was able to get ahead of Solomon's will fall on the far side of the circuit. I'll show you that AT bike backup. I'm going again, nickel chrome and constant trying to get away. Yeah, getting moving Tena straight Campbell. Terrific. Nays with the white helmets, I'll tell you the shit come lose issue of some description. He's Taito as the main thing is trying to find out. Six minutes of the session play Ernie a few Malta. Go Mason foster fifty. Five point. Nine is a quick time. Cool. Two of a second ahead of Sullivan. Mounsey Johnny. Gunn s. one point, six second behind Sullivan, and that's in third place with Clayton Edmonds Vanni house, Ethan, sparks, rounding out the top six Harrison McKay Luca Hopkins Troy, Jeffrey untailored, Stuart Campbell, rounding out. Let's hope ten someone off at the midpoint all turn the Sixers. Don't mind as I've done site. Yellow flags are riders back onto the bike and underway gain, so yellow flags will come in down that you're another one down. That's turned seven into the tires goes one of the not sure who as right up on. Okay, got but what we will say everyone's now pushing for good laptop swords the end of this session and they just find in the limit and it's annoying for them. They can't do it the correct any mistake they make, you know. Not gain time to the bikes, snapping away from them in a in. A moment's notice is just what we could do with finding out in the session of you don't want to be doing it in races as one rod. It goes down on the exit, turn six, not show who that as Vaughn is up and okay, looking get back on the fine come into shot in a moment. Not was eleven. Mounsey the full four. We've got about ninety seconds left of the session 'bout nine seconds to get your lap time in some gets back on his way. Again, not long left. Johnny gone moment. He's on row. Two could read. He do with guessing on row one. Maybe. Now we Mason foster down into turn on when race one gets underway little bit later on that the moment Mason foster position looking his him while Mason foster enjoying a great run at the moment. Full Eighty-eight writer. Everyone else just trying to catch up trying to be. It's a big spreading times as you can imagine it the moments, but looking a little further down, Gregg, Marshall in eleventh place. Ernie full ten headed Kice in pain. Human turn is seven, ten ahead of Jada how then you go Jane, say Jane Jada. How movie to eleven place? Jamie woodcock up to ten Taylor Stewart, Campbell dropping out of the top town on into twelve place at the moment. No one is going to be able to catch. It seems Mason faucet check at flank being prepared and being flown. Last Yan Nicola firing to Sullivan Mounsey still on a time, but the last time, a woman twelve, not snuff, not good enough at the moment, someone down on the exit six seen a crushing hotspot that just happening that power a little bit too early and paying the price. I can't see anyone else outs on circuit looks like they could beat Mason fosters pole position time. Now, I think it's going to. To foster the government we've seen already makes some foster so out. She's more posing Johnny garnish for the s. and Atmore wind. So maybe Johnny gone is will convert something come. The races, of course, as stretches conditions. I've learned different rights in these conditions as well. Mason foster may have Pete right now. Johnny garnish may find Hayes peak in the races, but Mason foster during the final three races of the two thousand eighteen racing British mini-bike Trump ship as on PO position. The only vied in the fifty five second bracket he has been magnificent Sullivan Manzi second, Johnny, Johnny stirred on head of row to Klay today. Fourth, and that's is your top four for qualifying seventy eight hundred forty pros when live on the cool Fabrizi websites on motorsport dot radio. Thank you very much for joining us to the audio stream at the moment. Live visual coverage of the race is starting later on this. Afternoon, we got plenty of action. Plenty of great qualifying still to come as vain, staying constant at the moments. All the vied is just about finding feats butts qualifying to for the pit bike on full tea and Moto team Vitus may now head out onto circuits and the pit bike, one full forties. We'll have a very good weekend this weekend, the touch all seic. It's is one where they can really use talk to advantage. Whereas the last few meetings is suited the Moto team bites may be a little more. So the spread between the pit bite, one, forties and the Moto team entrance costs, two different classes, two different championships, only vase that will be a bit bigger than we've seen over the last few aces the likes of we'll Howarth might not be able to stick it up there with everyone or they may be able to win, quite sure at the moment qualifying of course I need just getting on the way none as large an entry as seen over the last few. Raisings either, but just because the quantity is mad doesn't mean the quality isn't either. We've some clouds with Harvey Clarence and Simon clouds, Jason, Pugh, and Fraser Kanada out there. I own a Glover in safe the moment head of Adam Sweeney kind of wine-growing Henry juice and well. Them out now at the moment that will just getting into the rhythm of the session setting. Some Goodlatte times. This will be the first flying lap and these seniors will the, we call him seniors seen he's supposed to differentiate from the kids. Many of them still not much older than the ones writing. And if I have crossed these racist with the pit by one zero teams as well as the mini t p. races over the same weekend. So vice a Harvey Claridge great talents to come one of the latest Ray talents to come from the championship rebel rookies and they had a bit of a taste a session over the last few race weekends. Another lot of cool, five racing writers going fast and seeing how they'd fed Danes. An international. It's Meshal competition. Absolutely. I mean. A lot of art is coming from this product. Love do race in this. I mean how far each one of them as we were saying. Now, Harvey, Claritin, looking to being the world championships and very, very soon. I'm sure he will have no issues that he is one of the fastest guys in Nicole product right now. Com save will house name there. So things to question, whether will actually here he has a ninety. One eighty in the merchant team over Simon clouds. Now Sammy clouds could win this time ship is regaining will he's not here it was okay. Should guy nineteen eighteen nineteen nineteen nine. Yes, that's down as well slog now of contention dinosaur. It's not someone just going into the undergrowth pie up, believe it's Fraser Kenosha believe price. Okay. Just trying to start the pike standing on the pike quite aggressively at to Pete. What he's saying. The Viking Myron. His book has to, but nonetheless frustrations on that by trying to get started. And then these co conditions that is quite difficult bouncing up and down on China get the thing. We started a bit frustration that the moment, but North Carolina Brown the number sixty seven having done a fifty two point four, four, six, a casual, full two sixes. Some plows who did a fifty six point, six foot two seconds. I big move. Of course. Five minutes to just saw how I think. I think we're gonna get some some gaps down very much honoring the closing state of this. Come down, ready, thrown off seconds. As you say, the times I'll just dropping as the session goes, although I am surprised as you say, it's caloms seemingly domination of this so far. I'll see. You can joke about him. Maybe Kohinoor chicane I'm sure. So I'm sure it is legal. They'll be interesting to see. Alva- sessional develops Sam Kyle's. We'll see once very strong results. Well, he said he will be looking for a strong results and Cala my bell still stands at the moment. We've got a couple of flying laps with yellow flags interrupting, but we've also had a couple of laps now with full green running yellow flag down at home. One point c. four. So might shame something going on inside of, say goodbye to one. And is about to get back on it just. Just gone into second place. So Harvey riches pushed Sam. Glenn foolish choice could Kiko fully. He lost the front end away coming into turns to three. They are an bounty on the bike, but it was a bit of a heavy empire. They all getting on the way though. So good news for them trying to stop crying trying to start a bike. And again, it's another one of these frustration vite is they can't get it going to code for these pit. Bikes are eighty. Get on the way. Must be curious that machine. Absolutely. I mean, we weren't weren't develops the fact that these just gonna stone to graphs and modern as well, so you know, can do without that Caesar is comeback lakes and Calamar as a maintained his top position. Some cloud, I was just moved back onto the front row. Now they got back down to ten sack. The wanted his only qualifying. I know there are some right is out there who says only making the most of the race practice. Let's say few of the riders, especially getting close to each other. Hopefully we shouldn't see too many collisions puts its concerning win. Writers are so close to each other going through the shop heavens and in these weather conditions as well. You know, you wouldn't really want to be too close to divide in front of beyond because spry invisibility tend to be a bit of an issue. They cry, China, they, we have a few less writers time before some Mace meetings this season's color contacts well, over thirty two in this in this entry. So that would be a lot more challenging around the actual sec hit. The first entry. This season was point while subscribed. But now fifteen line is out there at the moments spread on forty by women. Thirteen seconds is spread with nail connections to six point four being the slowest. One second Foege was I Anna Iona Glover appalled the number thirty four machine woman at four point eight, three six. And now the fifty two point four still stones. McCallum Wybrow say three point two, six guys. Lousy hobby. In third had a show-me Whitaker with Jamie king at a Hanmi matsch's phrase. It can ads Phoenix turn Jason Pugh and Adam Sweeney honest. I can add score dukes in Simon clouds than in toba vetting. Kalomo Brown, talk some class. Second, Harvey, third fleet point, four seconds covers Hallam Madre must say, I thought some of these made. A much bigger inroad into his lead. I've been told that the moment nothing Harvey Claridge has just home. They don't wait. Eight Stiller Baldassare will tell Ahmad. He may be you'll favors the right Lezo. Now the stars of a line for Callum Wia without lap seven minutes and forty completed, not too long now until the end of this session, and that is when French time comes in when you've really got to nail the lab, your hope, there's no yellow flags out on the say, hit appear to be the moments, touch wood. So as the session almost to a close now going to be tight, but tell them my brow one point, eight seconds ahead of Harvey. Claridge. Harvey really does know how severe well in these conditions, but it can be such change in order to get the thing nailed get your time. Now Harvey close closes and again, fifty four point zero full six. Now, one point, six seconds, boy, color. Wipro. There's not enough time he's going to get another lap in, but that's not enough. Is it point six's chefs not quite way you need to be Claridge. It's on the front row. That's one good thing will ride down. Who is that far? Call the number. The needs to might ease numbers, much much bigger might goodness. We other notes about that Wilson mill numbers, no being visible enough to others. So another one police thought, see who is Kalomo eyebrow the moment looking like he's going to take pole position in who would have thought that ready one point six seconds as well as a a massive massive advantage really. Considering we've off mini-session Harvey Charles day worries. The. In second place. I'm does shown whisker fourth Felix j on third vote, but that's you check it flag. No one else going any quickest Kalomo rebel by the looks of things he's going to be your poem on so great when they're gonna miss sixty seven. Callum Wybrow sitting on PO position in the pit bike when foresee and Moto seem vase. The leading motor team writer was phrase it connects in eighth place. So. Expects. I believe that may be four track action against anybody waiting to come out. They just coming out now. I'm sure some people move in view just heading now into the GM. Geomancy forty elites of coming out right now yet they are about to come out in just a moment's time, and we still go plenty of action to come over the course of the day. We'll get the full timetable up in just a moment, but junior LC faulty elites, not lush ings had outs on the circuit. It's fair to say. As you say, there's only one Reuter who I had to some more how just immersion the pit lane, but originally only one ride did venture out onto the track. I, I could argue it's to do with as you say, the poor conditions, meaning John Reid is really don't want to be the ones clearing the water, but someone's got to do it. And and the first rider is through a manual Brinton who is the early runner out of the pits Vinson I believe a winner is circuit stocks. Leave Ron case Goma went on in this class. Oh menu. Tonight's. Why around him relatively? Well? No, that to win around here. The problem is it's not just clearing water, but you know, the war is included because it's still raining. It's raining quite heavily in for these little bites, trying coat with. So really. Eight hundred eight of very hearts Nari dole out and you know, wonder about in the wet and not enjoy yourself. Don't go out but let the conditions starts takeover. Unfortunate. So what's happening noticeably a few more riders are starting to now emerged from the pit lane may be more enthusiastic. Now they've seen the trank isn't his treacherous as maybe they had imagined. But as you say, the, the slow trickle of riders are coming into the session is says, the interesting I know be very interesting to see like Princeton can take advantage of this fifty eight point one one, eight, so fun. That is the only lifetime that's been set. So a few just getting out getting ready for the conditions, getting into the rhythm money, prince the Ninety-three ever presence in the cool fab racing championships. Nonetheless is going to be just ahead of Choi. Jackie walnut points was actually woman at seven point nine for Troy, Jeffrey and a woman at two points to Josh finest sign on everyone with the immediate confidence, but you've still work good time in this session, two minutes and twenty seven complete so far. Well faster. Say Mason faucet I fifty seven point seven six zero Vasa first of another quick time, all mice full tents, quick head on menu tune then goes ahead again to six, ten seconds. Say a second in just over two minutes, Ron Hitchcock system to the top run covering a fantastic second of the season, very quiet in the first half, but his comeback. Now from ounce, five eighty red lodge was a good DRAMs around six goals was good. Wilton mill was mixed for him, but he did. I did show his capability use a prominent figure at the front. And again, he's a prominent figure at the funding among. Because he is one point, two seconds, clear anyone else manual putting them in second place, plus low incomes. I've worn out Whitey fall flat to clock on couple of furniture Farag up to falls by seven bell for go sick, but no-one getting thown hit up at the moment of those still five minutes of this sessions ago. Of course, the one thing I will note his times from qualifying one which is significantly foster, especially for the front runners than what we're achieving right now. Brinson who did walls when the the drive rider to go out. His time in the ministers of fifty, five point four, seven one. However, his qualify one benchmark was a fifty three point five, two seconds quicker than what we're currently achieving now. And perhaps unlike the other sessions we've seen that drive is on us improving is down now in the middle of town, five to go another down at turned six, Stephanie Bailey. Stewart Campbell, Kentucky, while the white helmet Bailey shirt combos going down, tug safe. Dividers are who've come down at turn five on back up and okay. So difficult. You know, trying to follow someone else. He's lining, sometimes it's just chaos. It re do not need. I mean, I have noticed that actually with few of the riders we've seen today is they will choose to stick Heinz field is not and in despite the spray because it just gives them a line in the corner. It makes them understand where the breaking point is. Problem is when it goes wrong, that ROY do fund. It normally goes on to be on. I think we've seen some of that. No-one rainy wanting to laugh on their own. No one eighty morning to take the risk, but the biggest risk is sent beyond someone in open. They stay on the specially needs. Tricky conditions are be amazed. If we don't see some crashes in races, we hope we I'm sending cut in the races. Well, of course, but these conditions, he's almost inevitable join hates call. China freeze. Doubts is wrong in the three sitting in provisional pole position a fifty four point six, six eight is the first in. In this session at the moment is one nighter losing the funks through turn number five and six. Just waiting to be restarted by the box to the bike. That's a is Ryan heads coke fifty, four point, six point one, four one, a head of manual. Brinton is second place ever both in third eight tenths behind leader Mason foster in full place on cars. Recently, one point, two seconds behind Joe Feige then is in fifth, had Johnny Gonesse with finance, Sullivan, Mounsey, Luca Hopkins, and James Cook the top ten Bailey's Joan Campbell just ahead of Choi, Jeffrey five minutes and fifty four. This session completes a handful of minutes left for everyone to really gets some more timeouts of the FIS that will getting a bit more comfortable and Emmanuel Brinson in the pound see second place in the moment, but only point one, four, one behind it could all change and finally magical tennis. I mean, as I was saying earlier. Dan, it really is a taste of ROY does not improving from they qualify one time. Hitchcock does currently lead the way his faucets time. It's still point six of a second slower than his own personal best. Punchy one manual Brinson briefly went, I just ate hundreds of a second ahead of Ryan Hayes coke, Ryan, hedge coke then responds fifty, four point four, six zero point one, nine zero now ahead of manual Brinton their pace as furthering alone. Everyone else not quite catching up at the same rates, Evan Beaufort. Now, a full second behind session leaders Rousse no. Does you know the? The weather is still not amazing ace still raining condition track conditions aren't really getting any better. So maybe the reason times good this morning because the times were able to get to that level, the flown, they're not able to get to that level with the amount of stunned more around. So giving especially term one Barry, very wet. The midfield looks not to five months to make, but Thome on toes and his all vary valuate. You've got to be cautious. Don't wanna crush around. I mean, the one drive of this does not benefited toll is Johnny Gonesse who wasn't even out in the first qualifying session ease in addition to this qualified to and as a result he is in what is going to be the slowest session and it's really going to hinder him in terms of Bob times might be a Carney eight in the qualifying two times, but that time of fifty eight point one does put in back on the grid is very good that Johnny garnish house. Go out every needs some track time because it's he's not in Trump ship in this class, but any Chuck Sean, we'll be so vital. But the problem is Mason fosters all seven, this and he was higher up in fourth place and got a ride down dot as over on the far side of the circuit. He's in the fast engines into turn three, not quite short is of arteries up and k is the main thing we'll ever following another vita. They were so close when they're just losing the front end, didn't work out occasion also folder at the turn before and the exit attorney before Ryan. Side, they're just about to get in the way I believe in Mounsey. Again, that's the second time he's been down around not sections. I Sullivan Mounsey oversee foam into nargilehs Shipley grass down. Now I'm for for the check flag out now with Emmanuel Brinton going back up to the top. Now with fifty three point seven, five eight. That's finally in relation to what they didn't qualify one, but it's still not as quick notably, coupla tents off. So menu. Brinson not able to match his time from this morning. No one else he's able to do so either. No one else we got one more to come to the line one more to come over the line now and then is eight, but Ryan Hitchcock on the on the front. Very one Hitchcock was third earlier he did a lump, Tom fifty four zero. So not quite waiting threes, Evan Belfort's, six. We'll actually put him second on the grits. Brinton and Belford. I am. Second. So manual Brinson leading the session at the moment ahead of Ryan hate coke, Evan Belford, and Mason. Fussy your talk full head of Sullivan Mounsey with Joe foam IKA. Joe spina stay Johnny. Gonesse Lukoil kipnes and Baillie. Stewart Campbell, rounding out the top ten, James, Cook and Choi, Jeffrey on your top twelve and ninety eight full. The junior Elsie forty elite series just one more session due to come name just a moment's time in that will be for the senior mini motos knots, your last session before lunch. So that is just getting the way in just a few moments. You're listening to live coverage of round eight of the two thousand eighteen coup Fabri seeing British mini bike championship where live on motorsport dot radio and on the cool fab racing websites on me, websites on audio, be having our live visuals, radio coverage in just a few hours time. But senior mini motos qualified to is just about to get underway to fight is heading out onto circuits. They're the only two out of the moment. We've got one or two more priming themselves in the in the warmer Perry. At the moment. It's going to be very challenging. Indeed. I mean, this does come back to what we said in the last session down about run about rises only only really coming out when they believed the track will be either dryer or not even coming onto tool if they don't think. Yes, thank you or the times cons improved. Because right now there is no one really out there that is tearing to really try and beat that quote one time. And if the track is wetter than before, then it's perhaps understandable. Well, it's very understandable. There's only a few is out there was well, it's not like, say a mini. Let me rephrase at Pitt bite one full Moto team session, whereas a few that can make the circuit a bit drier. That's one way that goes straits on Turnham three. So their bike might be having issues at the moments because Nick Bennett, Richard Holmes Williams, just baking and Simon hunting for us. You full because the only four circulating the present, sign few move. I it is out there with the moment, so we'll get times on the boards in just a few moments time on that will take just a while for them to get into the rhythm and seen him anymore. Am wet weather well known for being great partners across many will think back to that moment at g. y. that pass over the place over the line carrying over the line. I'm sure we will remember that for years to come. Which we were able to get national coverage of. Yes. Indeed, we take a national coverage all the cool fab racing, so great menace. If you enjoy that pace on the various places, eight was syndicated to vying grant who was fast this morning, fifty six point four zero full time. Not found that was first place ahead of just baking by point one-to-zero at the moment a fifty six zero three zero for just baking. So has gone actually Fulton's quicker session immediately going quicker, which William Simon hunting foot having times not particularly competitive ones at the moment. I mean, this is probably why was starting to see more riders out some track now of leave to have all eight currently in the session. We do have one that rises just going off now at ten, five s concrete tell who it is at the minute. They all they all back on the bike and backup. Think that's the number four if I'm correct. Right? Which is Josh Burke in who had the minute. That's is leading the way with fifty six point zero as Dan said, pushing hard, maybe too hard. Kiko interesting. Dynamic in the Trump should cost Ryan bronze as here somewhere force at the moments. He's hiring Richard hundred for twenty seven points championship. Good long to do with taken points will usually seen him both might mistakes various points this year. That's hoped that we get good Basle between the two vine gone in sorrow consistent, but I'm forty not consistently winning. It's been consistently in the top three top four was Williams despite his couple day and after a couple of bad rounds, he has had many, many when someone else's down at the exit thing was long, Ron actually speak devoting not was the number sixteen wrong gone. I wouldn't like to sweat, so it looks like it is to me. So on gone network, we'll championship course young man. Well, they weren't gave it much help at the moments. Although there is another vita Stopes just on the end, she coming into turn seven trying to start the bike. So not having a good time. A few of these writers who were struggling to get them during in running competitively buzz Joshi Pankin in on of still leading the session so far still on. Pole position of fifty five point nine zero to being fastest over half a second quicker earlier on this morning. Richard Holmes Williams is one point. One segments behind with fifty seven point zero. We then have Simon Huntingford ahead of Christie amounts vine grant running in fifth, the moments had any hook, Nick Bennett is running and the last I was actually too many fifty four point seven having a few issues than a mistake. Seven one one might Birkin in eighth place, but we got one vita still trying to east of the bike as another one goes down as garage. He goes down coming into tournaments, seven front folding from guests going again. So no problem tone, six come down, exploring the grip and then finding any them by the time they've realized, oh, it doesn't pay to be any grip hair. I'm only on the floor or at least just what we see every single time these guys are up today. We wet weather. They just how eight. Always fall. We should laugh, but they will up and. Okay, and it is quite funny as well in the process. Just Burke in the moment on pole ahead of time rowing grown down, he's doing his. John ship a whole load of good knocks down there. Ready do kissing up as a Ron, just walking away, not happy as bike has broken down well, public cake and hit it with a spinal in that might make you work full the first race of the day. That will be later on this afternoon, but five minutes, fifty completes of this qualifying session a couple of minutes to go into the end of the senior mini motos also a couple of minutes until the end qualified sees full. This morning's running even when are willing to the after noon. Of course, oversee one ride the to watch out for during the session is Bernie hoop who didn't actually set time in qualify one new dish into this session. So light we had in the previous class is a case of riser really leading to put in the performance and the minutes Bernie Coney sits down at six on a one minute to which comparing to the qualifying. One times is not that good for him in the minute, not very good at. Moment, but they still liquid. It's time. We clean onto hope in the u. box. Hey, Connie, hoping will improve find some good grip and get that rhythm and get a great time. But alas, in may not happen for some just banking hasn't improved last few laps, but it still lacking assistant me enough. You have a flag for full down, Josh Burke and so speak as our do, and I will cause trouble trying to take shortcuts to the finish on that can going down that turned seven. It is a bit disappointing Birkin actually, as always off again up at the top of the circuit as he was actually in loss of Clare, Aaron could have really set very competitive lap carries on going over the gos- he can come and do mine. God informing easy, seven, a good things young that you're backing. Why just banking this, right? Isn't it? Yeah, not fly him out as we have a writer who has stopped now at ten, six, Richard Williams, ROY gone. We laugh and continues on. So Richard Holmes Williams, not having seen as trouble. I think Matt bacon is just didn't wasn't able to join into the session still trying to get by restarted pushed back to the start line, but continues. And with a few moments to go until the end of this session and just Bank can still needs by full tents or second. Now, Ryan glance guessing is that down and getting a good time fifty six point three zero, eight, four tenths quicken. The vying grant concern is only two tenths ahead of Richard Holmes Williams that last lap wasn't an improvement. The last lap Richard Williams, a woman at twenty, but with about thirty seconds or so to go until the end of this qualifying session, this is crunch on time. They come. Paul. Powell that is exactly what you need. So he's just gonna top of this session, at least the is that Japan pulsa rowing grown saving the best to off. And that is massively important for the championship as pushed Richard Holmes Williams back onto row to and that is your temps fine. No, we'll have here this weekend. So as between first and third in this jump ship, just Burkina in second as the in the sandwich goin- gone and top of this time in session, I don't think anyone's gonna get name him. I mean, those top three were the quickest in first qualifying end. This notable that they continue to be the drive is the riders to beat here at Tassell. Absolutely. I mean, rowing gone wouldn't have thought and would have been able to do that having gone down a few times, no one else out circuits, Ryan grown. The death of the session takes pole position and in doing so pussies championship leader, Richard Williams back on the road to he'll head up, wrote to in third place, Kush yeoman's, great, qualify for him. He's in full. I just Birkin as the man in second vine grants though as your Poelman as everyone heads for lunch, say the end of the qualifying sessions for now the senior nemo Toews has set us off to a great end of sessions. Great changes from line Ghanzi left it late and did the get pole position fifty five point six, nine zero, great life. I'm more succumb in this afternoon's action. We back at around two o'clock for the AC forty rookies races to or qualifying to. They will be followed by the mini g. p. fifties, the extreme to hundreds. And then at the mini f. one side sidecars then around twenty three, we'll get it all the way gain plenty of action from the race is this afternoon. 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Read_522 - The Hidden Costs of the Petrodollar System [Alex Gladstein]

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Read_522 - The Hidden Costs of the Petrodollar System [Alex Gladstein]

"When the global reserve currency is literally reliant on the sale of oil the world has a massive carbon emissions problem not to mention the fact that as discussed the petrodollar is defended by the us military's global presence which has a carbon put the size of a mid. Sized nation is exaggerated in size by america's need to protect the dollar and is boosted by the oil price biking wars it fights on various continents. It is truly impossible for the petrodollar system to be green when it is based on black gold. The best and bitcoin made audible. I am guy suon and this. Is bitcoin audible. Welcome back to the show. This is bitcoin where you receive your phd in. Bitcoin studies. i am your host guy. Swan the guy who has read more about bitcoin than anybody else you know. I've got a serious list of great articles right now. That are a bit of a backlog of a number of them are long. so they're taking a little bit longer than normal to get out. Sorry for the kind of the slow release schedule we've had and i'm also grinding out the blocksize war audio book so keep an ear out for dot one too. It is seriously so good honest from bit. Mix research team and jonathan beer and it's going it. Legit is going to be required reading for all future. Bitcoin irs But today we have another brilliant piece from. Alex glad stein published on bitcoin magazine. And this was about the petrodollar system how it came about why it is stuck around and the horrible costs of maintaining it. That few are willing to admit. I just a friendly. Psa a reminder if you've not taken the time to check on your backups. You haven't done that in a while. make sure you. Do you take a minute check on your keys. Make they are safe. Make sure they are working if you have a bit box like me You can just plug in your micro. St card backup and just verify easily on the device. It's really good practice To do this regularly. 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Glad stein the world's reserve currency relies on oil dictators inequality and the military industrial complex but a bitcoin standard could change this in its growth from conceptual white paper two trillion dollar asset. Bitcoin has attracted an enormous amount of criticism. Detractors focus on its perceived negative externalities energy consumption carbon footprint lack of centralized control and inability to be regulated regardless of the validity of these arguments. Few critics stop to think comparatively about the negative externalities of the world's current financial system of dollar hegemony. This is in part because many bitcoin critics see it as just a visa like payment platform analyze its performance in costs by quote transactions per second but bitcoin is not a fintech company competing with visa. It is a decentralized asset competing to be the new global reserve currency aiming to inherit the role gold once had and the role the dollar holds today the world relies on the us dollar and us treasuries giving america unparalleled an outsized economic dominance nearly ninety percent of international currency transactions are in dollars sixty percent of foreign exchange reserves are held in dollars and almost forty percent of the world's debt issued in dollars even though the us only accounts for around twenty percent of global gdp. This special status that the dollar enjoys was born in the nineteen seventies through a military pact between america and saudi arabia leading the world to price oil in dollars and stockpile. Usda as we emerge from the twenty twenty pandemic and financial crisis american elites continue to enjoy the exorbitant privilege of issuing the ultimate monetary. Good and numerous air for energy and finance. The past few decades have seen a vast global rise in economic activity population democratic progress technological advancement and living standards but there are many flaws in this system that are rarely spoken about and it way heavily on billions of people across the globe. What would the world look like with an open neutral predictable base money instead of one controlled and manipulated by one. Government representing only four percent of the planet's population. This article explores the seldom discussed and staggering downsides of the current system in the hope that we can replace it with something more fair free and decentralized this essay will explore the rarely discussed creation of the petrodollar and lay out how america has supported brutal dictators compromised its national security harmed its industrial base propped up and protected the fossil fuel industry and even waged conflict abroad all to bolster the dollar status as a global reserve currency while this strategy worked for us leaders for many decades today the world is inexorably moving to a more multi polar financial structure and possibly towards a bitcoin standard part one birth of the petrodollar. The british empire was the unquestioned economic hedge among other nineteenth century but began to lose steam early in the twentieth century. Especially after world war one. The united states emerged much healthier than war torn europe and as the country with by far the most gold by the outbreak of world war. Two the dollar had unquestionably eclipsed the pound as the world's most influential national currency governments still relied on gold as the underlying global reserve currency but us and uk policymakers were determined to create a more flexible system in the waning months of world war. Two leaders from forty four countries gathered in a hotel in bretton woods new hampshire to choose a new financial bedrock british economist. John maynard. Keynes pushed the idea of the bank for a global unit of account. Didn't many nations would manage but the us preferred the idea of the dollar at the center pegged to gold at thirty five dollars per ounce since international trade deficits still had to be settled in gold. America's substantial control of the world's gold supply and favourable balance of payments position provided the leverage to get its way over the coming decades. The world shifted to the bretton woods. Standard with national currencies pegged to adjustable dollar amounts where the us was trusted to custody and hold enough gold to prop up the whole system up. Until the early nineteen sixties. It did a reasonably good job. Dollars became the dominant medium of exchange for international settlement backed by a promise to pay in gold america became the largest creditor nation and an economic powerhouse however after the assassination of president kennedy the us government chose a path of huge social and military spending with president. Johnson's great society social programs and the invasion of vietnam. Us debt skyrocketed unlike world war two or the korean war vietnam was the first american war waged almost entirely on credit as nile. Ferguson wrote in a scent of money quote in the late nineteen sixties. Us public sector deficits were negligible by today's standards but large enough to prompt complaints from france. That washington was exploiting its currency status to collect seignorage from america's foreign creditors by printing dollars much as medieval monarchs had exploited their monopoly omitting to debase the currency french economists. Jack rousseff called this. The monetary sin of the west and the french government coined the term exorbitant privilege poor british fiscal policy forced a devaluation of the pound in nineteen sixty seven and the french fearing that unsustainable american spending would result in similar negative results. Wanted it's gold back before a dollar devaluation by nineteen seventy-one. Us debt had simply grown. Too high just eleven billion dollars in gold backed twenty four billion in dollars that august french president pompidou sent a battleship to new york city to collect his nation's gold holdings from the federal reserve and the british asked the us to prepare three billion dollars worth of gold held in fort knox for withdrawal in a televised speech on august. Fifteenth nineteen seventy-one president. Richard nixon told the american people that the us would no longer redeem dollars for gold as part of a plan included. Wage and price freezes and an import surcharge in an attempt to save the economy. Nixon said closing. The gold window was ten but few things are as permanent as temporary measures as a result the dollar was devalued by more than ten percent and the bretton woods system ceased to exist. The world entered a major financial crisis. Though when asked about the impact that the nixon shock would have on foreign nations. Nixon made his position clear. Quote i don't give a shit about the lyra as david graber wrote in debt. Nixon floated the dollar in order to pay for the cost of a war in which he ordered more than four million tons of explosives and incendiaries dropped on cities and villages across indochina. The debt crisis was a direct result of the need to pay for the bombs or to be more precise the vast military infrastructure needed to deliver them. This was what was causing such an enormous strain on. Us gold reserves for the first time in history. The world was in pure fiat standard. The dollars held by central banks across the globe. Lost their backing and there was a geopolitical moment. Where us dominance was called into question and where a multi-polar financial world was a distinct possibility adding even more pressure in one thousand nine hundred seventy three. The arab petroleum of opec decided to quadruple the price of world oil and embargo the us in response to its support for israel during the yom kippur war in just a few years. A barrel of oil rose from less than two dollars to nearly twelve dollars faced with double digit inflation and declining global faith in the dollar nixon and his secretary of state and national security advisor henry kissinger came up with an idea that would allow them to keep quote guns and butter going in the post gold standard era an alter the fate of the world. Nineteen seventy four. They sent new treasury. Secretary william simon to saudi arabia quote to find a way to persuade a hostile kingdom to finance america's widening deficit with its newfound petrodollar wealth simply put a petrodollar is a us dollar paid to a petroleum exporter. In exchange for oil as a bloomberg report says the basic framework was strikingly simple. The us would quote by oil from saudi arabia and provide the kingdom military aid and equipment in return. The saudis would plough billions of their petrodollar revenue back into treasuries and finance america's spending. This was the moment that the us dollar was officially married to oil. On june eighth nineteen seventy-four in washington kissinger and crown prince fahahd signed agreements establishing saudi investment in the us and american support for the saudi military. Nixon flew to jeddah a few days later to continue working out. Declassified documents later revealed that the us government confidentially enabled the saudis to purchase treasuries quote outside regular auctions and at preferential rates in early. Nineteen seventy five. They purchased two point. Five billion dollars of treasuries beginning spree that would later become hundreds of billions of petrodollars invested in us debt decades. Later on. who was deputy treasury secretary. Simon at the time said that quote this secret arrangement with the saudis should have been dismantled two years ago and that he was surprised the treasury kept it in place for so long but even so he said he has no regrets since doing the deal was a positive for america by nineteen seventy five other opec nations followed saudi arabia's lead if you wanted to buy oil from them and their store of nearly eighty percent of the world's petroleum reserves. You had to pay in dollars. This created new demand for america's currency at a time of global uncertainty and even at a time of continued inflation industrializing nations needed oil. And to get it. They now had to either export goods to the united states or by dollars in foreign exchange markets increasing the dollars global network effect in nineteen seventy four twenty percent of global. Oil was still transacted in the british pound but that number fell to six percent by nineteen seventy six by nine hundred seventy five. Saudi imports of military equipment had risen from three hundred million dollars to more than five billion dollars. Oil prices boosted by the premium. That came with being able to be sold for dollars would remain sky. High until nineteen eighty five part two impact of the petrodollar in his research on the petrodollar political economist. David spiro argues that opec dollar prophets were recycled into us treasuries to subsidize the debt. Happy policies of the us government as well as the debt happy consumption of its citizenry petrodollar recycling over time pushed down interest rates and allowed the us to issue debt very cheaply. This system was created in held in place not by puree economics but by politics through the packed with saudi arabia as alan greenspan said in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven reflecting on his experience as chairman of the council of economic advisers during the ford administration. The saudis were quote non-market decision makers graber points to petrodollar recycling as an example of how us treasuries replaced gold as the world's reserve currency and ultimate store a value. The kicker he explains was that quote over time the combined effect of low interest payments and inflation is that these bonds actually depreciate in value economists prefer to call it seniority since its creation in nineteen seventy four. The petrodollar system has changed the world in many significant ways including the creation of a tight alliance between the united states and the saudi arabian dictatorship as well as other tyrannies in the gulf region the steep rise of the euro dollar shadow global economy as petrodollars created outside the control of the federal reserve flooded banks in london and north america and were then recycled into us. Treasuries or loaned back out to emerging markets the financialisation of the american economy as the artificially strong dollar made exports uncompetitive hollowed out the middle class and shifted focus from manufacturing to finance technology. Defense and services all while increasing the leverage in the system additional stress on the soviet union which was now faced with an increasingly dollar world market for the. Us could print money to buy oil but it had to dig oil out of the ground painful issues for emerging market economies which became erred in dollar denominated debt. That was difficult to pay back in stuck in a system that prioritized dollar accumulation over domestic investment harming income and triggering debt crises everywhere from mexico to east asia to russia to argentina steady growth of the oil and fossil fuels industries at the expense of nuclear power and regional energy independence and of course the continuation of the us as a military financial hegemony and the ability of the us to run humongous deficits to finance wars and social programs. All in part paid for by other countries. There are petrodollar theory. Critics say the phenomenon is largely a myth they say the dollar has been dominant simply because there has been no competition dean baker from the center for economic and policy. Research has said that quote. Well it is true. That oil is priced in dollars. Most oil is traded in dollars. These facts make relatively little difference for the status of the dollar as an international currency to the economic wellbeing of the united states. Meanwhile modern monetary theories like warren. Mosel and stephanie. Kelton downplay the importance of the petrodollar. Saying it doesn't matter or it's irrelevant as it does not limit what the us can do domestically and internationally. It does not matter. What oil is priced in. Because countries can just swap currencies before purchase critics. To the fact that the dollar was already the world reserve currency before nineteen seventy-three and then the pricing of these dollars is just a convention and that quote there would be no real difference. If the euro the yen or even bushels of wheat were selected as the unit of account for the oil market. They also say the dollars involved in the oil trade are trivial compared with other sources of demand but the decision of saudi arabia and opec to price their oil exports in dollars and invest the profits in. Us debt was not a strict market decision and not one of fortune or happenstance but a political one done in exchange for protection and weapons and one that sparked countless additional network effects that overtime solidified the dollar as the world's reserve currency when countries are forced to to exchange their own currencies for dollars to buy oil. This strengthens that trading pair for that country extending us influence beyond energy markets in debt. Gruber does mention the debate over whether or not oil sales denominated in dollars. Give any seniority to the us but says that regardless what ultimately matters is quote. That us policymakers seemed to feel the fact that they are symbolically important and resist any attempt to alter this port. Three american foreign policy and the petrodollar in october two thousand saddam hussein did attempt to alter the petrodollar system when he announced that iraq would sell oil in euros not dollars by february two thousand and three he had sold three point three billion barrels of oil for twenty six billion euros with his french and german trading partners. The petro euro was born. Which if expanded would help. A euro market develop against lots of other currencies. Boosting the euro's strength and eroding the dollars exorbitant privilege but one month later the us aided by the united kingdom invaded iraq and overthrew saddam by june iraq was back to selling oil in dollars again. Did america go to war to defend to the petro. This possibility is almost never discussed in retrospective analyses of the war which tend to fixate on questions of iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction stockpile human rights abuses or terror links but at the time the euro was actually seen by many as a realistic challenger to the dollar given that the ouster of saddam in retrospect helped deter change and give the petrodollar system many more years of dominance. It seems like one of the more reasonable explanations for the most mysterious war in modern american history. Last year the journalist robert draper appeared on. Ezra klein's show to discuss his new book quote to start a war. How the bush administration took america into iraq with a decade of hindsight they covered many of the possible motives for the invasion but ultimately called it a war in search. For a reason to this day. There is no consensus for why exactly the us invaded iraq. And the official reasons have proven to be completely contrived. According to former treasury secretary. Paul o'neill by february two thousand and one the bush administration was already talking internally about the logistics of invading iraq. Not the why he said but the how and how quickly blueprints were being made on nine eleven just a few hours after the attacks. Then deputy secretary of defense paul. Wolfowitz ordered a comprehensive study of saddam's ties to terrorist organizations over the next eighteen months the bush administration sold the war effort and by march two thousand three had achieved wide support especially with the help of secretary of state colin powell who spent his credibility on a pr campaign at the united nations and all news television. Both houses of congress supported the removal of saddam including senators clinton kerry read and biden in the media outlets ranging from fox news to the new york times supported the invasion as did seventy two percent of the american people in polling in the weeks leading up to the invasion. The public rationale was clear. Saddam was dangerous was believed to have weapons of mass destruction. Wmd's could slip them to al qaeda and needed to be stopped at the time vice president. Dick cheney said there can be no doubt that saddam has wmd's the war was also marketed as a humanitarian effort and was given the name operation iraqi freedom. But in retrospect america did not invade iraq to promote human rights. There was no connection to al qaeda or nine eleven and despite cheney's promises no wmd's were ever found other motives were and continue to be discussed including countering iran. Which makes a little sense given. Most iraqis are shia and their political structure ended up tilting more toward iran during the occupation and given the us had supported saddam in previous decades for this very purpose. The flimsy nature of the official reasons for war led many to believe that oil was the route calls. This would not be unusual past one hundred fifty years. Natural resources have been at the root of many wars invasions and occupations that have shaped our world including the scramble for africa. The great game in central asia the sykes pico treaty the assassinations of mosaic and lumumba and the first gulf war george w bush colin powell secretary of defense donald rumsfeld coalition provisional authority paul bremmer and british foreign secretary. Jack straw publicly denied. The war was about oil but former federal reserve chairman. Alan greenspan wrote in his memoir. That quote i am saddened. Did it is politically inconvenient. To acknowledge what everyone knows. The iraq war is largely about oil and told the media that removing saddam was essential to secure world oil supplies former head of us operations in iraq general john abbas aide said that quote of course is about oil. We can't deny that and former defense secretary chuck hagel admitted in two thousand and seven that quote. People say that we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. It is true that america even at that time did not consume a large portion of its oil from the middle east in two thousand three. The us received most of its oil from domestic production plus sources in canada mexico and venezuela in this light invading iraq simply to control oil seems like a week reason and most could easily predict that a hot war would damage iraq's oil infrastructure creating long delays before production could get back up to speed but perhaps the war was not waged for oil in a general sense but specifically to defend the petrodollar system in post invasion may two thousand and three weeks before iraq switch back to selling oil in dollars. Howard fineman wrote in newsweek did the europeans were debating the un over whether or not to continue searching for the wmd's that they could not find. He reported that the real dispute was not quote about wmd's at all. It's about something else entirely. Who gets to sell and buy iraqi oil and what form of currency will be used to denominate the value of the sales as graber asks quote. How much did hussein's decision to book. The dollar really way into the us decision to pose him. It's impossible to say is decision to stop using the enemies currency as he put it was one in a back and forth series of hostile gestures did likely would have led to war in any event. What's important here is that there were widespread rumors that this was one of the major contributing factors. And therefore no policymaker in a position to make a similar switch can completely ignore the possibility much though beneficiaries. Do not like to admit it. All imperial arrangements do ultimately rest on terror. With hindsight early. Two thousands were an era win presented with the challenge of the euro. It made sense for the us to take action and so whether or not the defense of the petrodollar was the main aim of the invasion of iraq the outcome was the same other countries saul what was done to saddam and were for many years. Careful about pushing their own. Petro currency and the oil iraq's production more than doubled from two thousand one to two thousand and nineteen eventually climbing to five million barrels of oil per day. The financial world has become multipolar years but as of two thousand and nineteen more than ninety nine percent of crude oil trade payments. Were still in dollars. Part four dictators inequality and fossil fuels. Are i need a quick break and something to drink. I really hope. I'm going to have time for guys take if not. We'll do a follow up on this. Let's hit our sponsor real quick and we'll jump back in part for the big box. Oh to for your. Bitcoin keys is a barrier. Between bad guys and your bitcoin bits. It's a basic box. Blesses your keys with bountiful protection and will boost embracing you for the blowout. Bullishness of hyper. Bitcoin is asian as bitcoin. On your box becomes the bedrock of the battle for a borderless future. The bit box is your bitcoin vault and it's not even got buttons. 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Part out of friendship with the united states is to insist that oil continues to be priced in dollars therefore the us treasury can print money and bhai oil which is an advantage. No other country has in two thousand seven. The saudis warned the us that it would drop the petrodollar system if they pursued the no pack congressional bill that would enable the justice department to pursue a pack. A governments over antitrust laws for manipulating oil prices. The bill was never enacted according to a two thousand and sixteen new york times story. Saudi arabia quote told the obama administration and members of congress that it will sell off hundreds of billions of dollars worth of american assets held by the kingdom. If congress passes a bill that would allow the saudi government to be held responsible in american courts for any role in the september eleventh. Two thousand and one attacks in twenty twenty then attorney general. William bar prevented the name of a saudi diplomat linked to nine eleven from entering the public domain because such disclosure risked quote significant harm to the national security in the wake of the murder of washington. Post columnist jamal khashoggi president donald trump would not push for action against mohammed bin salman on nbc news. He said i'm not like a fool. That says we don't want to do business with them. President biden has also refused to penalize nbs directly. Even though he has been presented with evidence from his own intelligence agencies showing that he ordered khashoggi's murder saying it would be too costly for america. These are just a few examples of how despite the saudi regime's bloody war in yemen. It's torture of female political prisoners. And it's assassination of kashogi america's relationship with the kingdom remains steadfast and protected at the highest levels according to research from the stockholm international peace research institute between two thousand and fifteen in two thousand and nineteen. These six gulf states bought more than one fifth of arms sold globally with saudi arabia. The united arab emirates and qatar ranking as the world's first eighth and tenth largest arms importers saudi arabia alone purchased one quarter of total us arms exports during that period up from seven point four percent in two thousand and ten to fourteen the oil pricing packed. I made in nineteen seventy four remains strong in twenty twenty one. Despite very different times domestically certain factions of america have prospered because of the petrodollar but the impact on the median. American has been negative as was written recently in foreign affairs. Quote the benefits of dollar premacy accrue mainly to financial institutions and big businesses but the call star generally borne by workers for this reason. Continue dollar hegemony threatens to deepen inequality as well as political polarization in the united states corporations and asset owners have benefited most in the systems low interest rate environment as fagin and loose. Stir argue in the class. Politics of the dollar system quote dolor premacy a growing american trade deficit that shifts the country's economy toward the accumulation of rinse rather than the growth of productivity. This has contributed to a falling labor and capital share of income and to the ballooning cost of services such as education medical care and rental housing as the petrodollars system kept international demand for the dollar artificially strong throughout the decades. America's manufacturing base became week an uncompetitive and lost jobs overseas normally a currency. That is too strong ends up. Creating a deficit issue and is forced to devalue to sell exports but as investor lynn. Alden points out in the fraying of the us global currency reserve system. That has never happened with the us. Due to the continual payment of its deficits by foreign nations. In one thousand nine hundred sixty. The economist robert trifling identified this phenomenon now known as the truth and dilemma to remain the world's reserve currency the us must provide global liquidity by running increasingly large deficits which one day must undermine faith in the dollar. The the us financial sector has ballooned nowadays for twenty percent of gdp compared with ten percent in nineteen forty seven. This 'financialisation has enriched the asset holding elite on the coasts. While ruining rust belt workers who deal with stagnant wages this has sparked populism and extreme inequality where the us average wealth is still relatively high among advanced nations. But it's median. Wealth is relatively low in this way. Alden and other macro economic thinkers like luca rahman argued that dollar hegemony actually hurts the us and it's competition with nations like china which are able to continually borrow dollars to stockpile hard assets and consolidate control over important global supply chains. And then of course we have the petrodollar itself and its impact on the environment as reuters reported quote if dollar denominated oil usage declines in favor of home produced wind solar or hydro energy sources. Then these swelling pool of global petrodollars recycled and invested by the world's big oil producers since the end of the gold standard in the nineteen seventies may drain with it simply put a global shift to renewables would put a big dent in the demand for fossil fuels which could deal a knockout blow to the petrodollar system and the ability for the us to run up and Deficits without consequences oil interests have a resisted attempts to develop nuclear energy and other renewable past few decades. The us military continues to be the single largest consumer of petro resources when the global reserve currency is literally reliant on the sale of oil. The world has a massive carbon emissions problem not to mention the fact that as discussed the petro dollar is defended by the us military's global presence. Which has a carbon output. The size of a mid sized nation is exaggerated in size. America's need to protect the dollar and is boosted by the oil price spiking wars it fights on various continents it is truly impossible for the petrodollar system to be green when it is based on black gold part five bitcoin and a multipolar world. Us foreign policy has kept the petrodollar dominant for decades. But its power is in arguably beginning to wane. Many americans including this author have been credibly privileged by this system but it will not last forever luke grumman calls. The petrodollar system may quote company town. Where the us has enforced control over oil pricing with threats and violence. After the fall of the soviet union. He says america could have restructured the system in held another bretton woods but it held onto the unit polar moment beyond protecting the system against disruptions like the petro euro grooming says that america extended the life of the system by launching nafta and helping china join the world trade organization in two thousand and one these steps allowed the us to continue exporting manufacturing and treasuries abroad in exchange for goods and services. He notes that in two thousand and one china's treasury holdings were sixty billion dollars but rose to one point three trillion dollars a decade later from two thousand and two to two thousand and fourteen. America's biggest export was treasuries where foreign central banks bought fifty three percent of the issuance using it as a new form of gold but since then china and other governments have been divesting treasuries and pushing us toward a new system in expectation of that gold losing value. According to groman they realized if dollars were still priced in oil as the us continued to run higher debt to gdp ratios up from thirty five percent in the nineteen seventies to more than one hundred percent today. The price of oil would eventually skyrocket. Europe was not able to disrupt the petrodollar system in the early two thousands. But over time. The us's hegemony and ability to stop other nations from pricing oil in their own currencies has eroded more and more countries are denominating oil trade in other currencies like euros yuan and rubles partly because they fear reliance on a weakening system and partly because the us government continues to use the dollar as a weapon. The american sanctions system is incredibly powerful. As it can cut enemies off from the swift payment network or from the world bank or imf. As the financial times reported quote by using american banks as a cudgel against russia biden has shown a willingness to weaponize the us financial system against foes continuing. A tactic hone during the obama. Years and dramatically ramped up under donald trump this month president biden publicly denounced the nord stream two pipeline project which would build on the momentum. Russian president vladimir putin already has with rosneft pricing more than five percent of the world's oil in euros by connecting europe and russia team biden reportedly wants to quote kill the project and its officials have commented dollar premacy remains quote hugely important to the administration. And that it's in our national interest because of the funding cost advantage provides because it allows us to absorb shocks and gives us enormous geopolitical leverage. This is a striking indication of just how important. The petrodollar system remains politically to the us. Fifty years after its creation. Despite critics who say the world uses dollars for pure market reasons. Many countries want to escape from us financial control and this desire is accelerating growth de-dollarisation for example china and russia are as of last year transacting dollars just thirty three percent of the time versus ninety eight percent just seven years ago. China is expanding oil trading denominated in yuhuan. And many worry about the chinese communist. Party's new dc ep. Or digital yuan project being a ploy for increased international use of the euan. Meanwhile former european commission president sebastian. Yonker has said it is absurd. That europe pays for eighty percent of its energy import. Bill worth three hundred billion euros a year in. Us dollars when only roughly two percent of our energy imports come from the united states while the dollar is still dominant trends point to other major currencies gaining traction in the coming years beyond a shift to a multi-polar currency world. Another threat to the petrodollar could be the sdr or special. Drawing rights employed by the imf was based on the dollar euro pound yin and yuan inspired by canes and his failed bank or idea from bretton woods the sdr has achieved more traction in the past few years with more than two hundred billion units in circulation and another six hundred and fifty billion possibly being created but few governments in a position of economic power would willingly handed their monetary control over to an unelected alphabet soup organization as for gold. The world is not going. Back as jacques. Through f wrote in the nineteen sixties quote money managers in a democracy will always choose inflation only a gold standard deprives him of the option. The left wing historian. Michael hudson explains that in the nineteen seventies. He tried to make an apolitical case for the us government to revert to the gold standard. Teaming up with the right wing scholar herman kahn. He and i went down and gave a presentation to the. Us treasury saying gold is a peaceful medal. because it's a constraint. On the balance of payments if countries had to pay their balance of payments deficit in gold they would not be able to afford the balance of payments costs of going to war. That was pretty much accepted. And that was why the united states basically responded. That's why we're not going back to gold. We want to be able to go to war. And we want the only alternative to hold central bank reserves to be the united states dollar. Gold is by the account of most economists today simply too restrictive a twenty twenty study in the journal of institutional economics posited four potential future monetary outcomes for the world continued dollar hegemony competing monetary blocks where the eu and china act as counterweights to the us an international monetary federation where at the top of the international hierarchy stands no longer a state but the be is and the sdr and international monetary. Anarchy where the world shrinks into less connected islands the authors however miss a fifth possibility a bitcoin standard where the digital currency becomes the global reserve asset since its creation in two thousand nine by saito. She nakamoto. Bitcoin has grown in value from less than a penny to more than fifty thousand dollars spreading to every major urban area on earth as a store of value and in some places a medium of exchange in the past year fortune. Five hundred companies like tesla and sovereign wealth funds like singapore's temasek have started to accumulate bitcoin on account of its inflation resistant properties. Many call it digital gold. We are very possibly witnessing the birth of not just a new ultimate store value but also a new global base money neutral and decentralised like gold but unlike gold in that it is programmable tele portable easily verifiable absolutely scarce and resistant to centralized capture any citizen or any government can receive store or send any amount of bitcoin simply with access and no alliance or empire can debase that currency it is as some say. The currency of enemies adversary parties can use the system and benefit equally without detracting from each other as bitcoins. Value goes up against fiat. Currencies more and more corporations and individuals will begin to accumulate. Eventually governments will to at first they will add it as a small part of their portfolio alongside other reserve currencies. But eventually they will try to buy mine tax or confiscate as much as they can born at a time when the previous world reserve currency had reached its apex. Bitcoin could introduce a new model with more possibilities. But also more restraint. Anyone with an internet connection will be able to protect their wages and savings but governments unable to so easily create. Money on a win will not be able to wage forever. Wars and build massive surveillance states. The contradict the wishes of their citizens. There could be a closer alignment between the rulers and the ruled. The big fear of course is that america will not be able to finance its exorbitant. Social programs and military spending if there is less global demand for the dollar if people preferred the euro or you want or bonds from other countries. The us in its current form would be in big trouble. Nixon kissinger designed the petrodollar so that the us could benefit from global demand for dollars tied to oil. The question is why. Can't there be a global demand for dollars tied to bitcoin. No matter the base money there could still be fiat. Currency in government debt priced according to the economic power and bitcoin position of those countries and in the emerging bitcoin world america is leading in many categories whether it is infrastructure software development actual holdings by the population and increasingly given current trends mining. America is also built on liberty equality of opportunity free speech private property open capital markets and other values and institutions. Bitcoin reinforces and reverberates. If bitcoin did eventually become the global base money that america is in a position to capitalize on that transformation. This means no more reliance on dictators and secret pacts in the middle east. No more need to threaten or invade other countries to preserve dollar premacy and no more opposing nuclear or other renewable energy technology to protect the fossil fuel industry. Unlike the petrodollar system bitcoin could very well accelerate the global energy transition to renewables with minors always choosing the cheapest sources of electricity and trends pointing to cheaper renewables in the future under the bitcoin standard. Everyone would play by the same rules. No government or alliance of governments can manipulate the monetary policy but any individual can opt into a non-discretionary rules based currency and control a savings instrument that has historically appreciated versus goods and services. This would be dramatic net benefit for most people on earth especially when considering that billions today live under high inflation financial repression or economic isolation. This transition may not be so pleasant for authoritarian regimes which are more closed tyrannical violently redistributionist and isolated than liberal democracies but in this authors view that would be a good thing and one that could force reforms where activism has failed. The world's multi-polar drift is inevitable. No one country can in the near future gain. As much power. As america had at the end of the twentieth century. The us will still be a powerhouse for a long time to come. But so we'll china the eu russia india and other nations and they may compete in a new monetary system that moves away from the petrodollar and all of its costly externalities a neutral bitcoin standard the plays to the strengths of open. Societies does not depend on dictators or fossil fuels and is ultimately run by citizens not the entrenched elite. This is a guest post by alex. Glad stein so yeah. The iraq war was definitely fought over the petrodollar. In my opinion like alex glad scene is really good. Job of laying out like a lot of the little evidence pieces and all this stuff. But i just don't i i've seen so many or heard so many of those little like slip ups of oh we'll know yeah it was definitely about this and then Nancy pelosi and like so many. I mean there were multiple politicians that would even say have said openly since then. It's like well we knew there were no wmd's as if just like the just off the cuff. They would just drop this. And there is no sufficient us. I think that that has the backing of the petrodollar theory and it also is the exact same theory that fully explains why we didn't go after saudi arabia and we didn't do anything about their obvious. Full like huge involvement in eleven and why ignored afghanistan after we basically stopped the pipeline. That was moving across the country. It was being built across the country. So i don't know i. I don't think all of the official excuses our garbage day. They don't hold up. They don't they. Don't hold any water under even the slightest scrutiny. Either that or were just absolutely complete morons like as a political system which is believable. You know like you never Tribute to maliciousness that which is easily explained through incompetence. Maybe they're just absolutely incompetent buffoons. I'm very accepting the that could be a possible scenario. But that when the petro dollar reasoning just makes too much sense and i think it is not widely accepted simply because people don't know the first thing about our monetary system if you said petrodollar to the average person wouldn't have the slightest clue that this is why our dollar is so strong and i find it hilarious that The critics of the petrodollar system that he or the. Excuse me the petrodollar theory that alex glad steam brings up in this like warren mos- ler and the other m. t. alex stephanie. Kelton and stuff. I really think it's hilarious. That they they say oh. They're excuse for why. Clearly the petrodollar isn't important is that there's all these secondary markets and additional derivatives and other treasury markets and stuff. That are four. The dollar that aren't specifically around the energy market right like it's got a huge broad-market just for the dollar and just for treasuries that are just for the oil nations. That aren't just about opec. I think this is kind of indicative of their horrible grasp of economics honestly on because they're putting the cart before the horse they don't realize that if you have a strong base for the currency demand the won't go away that you know is politically controlled or enforced well. Then of course there's secondary and tertiary markets of course it expands into all the other areas in avenues. And in fact. I think it's a bit of dishonesty on their part because they know that that's important. They they use that very same. Excuse this is why they say you don't have to worry about. Inflation is because the government has legal tender laws within their nation for their currency and they can tax it from people after printing it into the economy steph. Seventy kelton has made this argument. Many times worn. Muslims has made his argument. This is kind of the dominant m. t. theory on why it is that the government can just change the scoreboard. However the hell they want and it somehow just doesn't affect anything they say. It's explicitly because the legal tender the government currency is required as payment for taxes. And this is the most important factor for preventing inflation and keeping the market for the currency. So on the one hand they say requiring dollars to buy energy the absolute most resource for human prosperity and economic life is not important to the value of the dollar in the market for the dollar but then immediately turn around and say that requiring dollars for payment in taxes and that country's credit worthiness as an extension of that is the very of the dollars value it to tiny hint of the ridiculous levels of contradiction in the mt cl- in the crowd. And i say that with as much respect as possible. Honestly as someone who was kinda deep down the em-empty rabbit hole for about a month or two with my brother. I thought it was a brilliant theory completely changed how i saw money and was my first kind of foray into the concept of money as basically economic scoreboard on which is still kind. Do think of it that way and it's very potentially very possibly why. I found austrian on because it was that that made me realize money was just a score. Keeping system and the interiors just never seem to took the next step into connecting that scoreboard to reality and instead isolated all of their theories into this fantasy world where there's unicorns and happiness and we can all live in and eat a whole bunch of paper promises so even though al glad stein in this article you know kind of positions it very very diplomatically. I guess you could say as like these are possible. You know outcomes or consequences of the petrodollar system they are. I think the foreign policy of the united states the the wars that we have fault have been predominantly. And you know. Maybe there's plenty of other little stupid excuses that have added to it. But i think the major factor in essentially all of the us foreign policy since the seventies has been about propping up and sustaining the petrodollar system. And this is why people say i'm crazy or say it's ridiculous to think that bitcoin is going to stop wars. But the petrodollar system has explicitly incentivized and funded wars for fifty years and one of the coolest things in this article actually was the his clip or clip his Expert from Herman kahn i believe were. Where was it Michael hudson and teaming up with herman kahn when they went to the us government to make an apolitical case for why they should revert gold rather than doing a fiat standard. And i was just want to read this again just to kind of let this settle He and i went down and gave a presentation to the. Us treasury saying gold is a peaceful metal because it is because it is a constraint on the balance of payments if countries had to pay their balance of payments deficit ingold. They would not be able to afford the balance of payments costs of going to war. That was pretty much accepted. And that was why. The united states responded. That's why we're not going back to gold. We want to be able to go to war. And we want the only alternative to hold central bank reserves to be the united states dollar. The government explicitly rejects a gold standard. Because they know they will not be able to afford to go to war. This is why we will never go back to a gold standard. This is why it cannot and will not ever be solved politically if there is ever a hint of a move forward or a move in the proper direction in the political sphere. It will just be a admission of defeat because bitcoin is such a wave that they know they cannot deny it or it will just be sheer stroke of luck and a great opportunity at the perfect time but regardless there is no sustainable solution without removing money from the state the separation of money in state is the most important thing that we could be doing right now and it can only come about through the open competition of a money. They cannot stop. That is the design that is the purpose of bitcoin. If we are not prioritizing and focusing one hundred percent on building something that they cannot stop. That is the whole goal a monetary policy did. They cannot stop they cannot cheat they cannot corrupt that is equal for everyone. That's it payments or a distant second we will get it because it's open programmable permission list protocol. We already have payments lightning. That works like a charm. I love it in fact actually almost forgot i just released a bitcoin audible dot com slash. Vote anybody who wants to vote own a what article to read next. This one was actually the highest one. I releases to the audience. Thank you guys by the way for testing and getting a play around with this beforehand and of course Helping to fund it but we built a really cool little too. I i didn't build it. I funded A super tests net is Is the guy who built this thing. 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It is the separation of money in state that is the most important mission that is the one hundred trillion dollar holy grail of problems that we could actually solve and while the entire system is currently in flux while it is currently breaking apart and the world is becoming multipolar and there is questions there are questions there is uncertainty about what will replace it. Bitcoin is in its prime. That truly feels like a bizarre stroke of luck. Just serendipity the bitcoin is where it is and at the stage that it is in this environment at a at a hundred year shift. We're gonna eighty one hundred year shift in the monetary system of the world and here is bitcoin throwing a wrench into everyone's plans and i love it. It could not be more beautiful. It still gets me. Sometimes that this feels like the story of what's happening in the world like the petrodollars the story of money. This is something that as i like really dove into economics austrian economics specifically and started looking back through history is that the most interesting stories are the stories of money. And i don't mean that just in the sense that like oh i love. Economics and money is like the dork. The thing that dork out on really bad it is but that the story of money is the story of civilization like the breakdown of the monetary system of the economic base is. What is the reason so many of these wars happen like you. You actually get this. The silly facade of what actually caused these major shifts in history when you realize that the underlying the root causes of so much of this so much of our warring in government and monarchy history. He's actually a contest over money. S- about the conquest of resources and money is the ultimate resource and then the major areas of disruption huge periods of change in history coincide with massive technological shifts and monetary shifts that altered the fundamental environment and made people's relation to relationships to each other different. It change the dynamics that that violence that cost in reward to violence at scale and it just that shines a light on. It just makes you look at everything in history in a totally different light and it seems like stuff that just was so nonsensical suddenly makes sense suddenly. There's there's this common thread throughout all of it. They can put so many different puzzle pieces together in the petrodollars system. Is we've gone to a full fiat. Standard and the externalities are unbelievable and the story of how of how the us dominated the monetary standards post world war. Two really is the story of american dominance. it's why the political system was so unbelievably influential. And the move to the petrodollar like in my mind from kind of like a political. Even though i think of it as like pre evil thing and that was on the fate like like on the whole net. It was very bad for the us. The us population specifically i mean as they said I think we've lost our con. We've completely destroyed. Our manufacturing base because archie. Our chief export is paper. Our chief expert is the us dollar so basically domestic manufacturing can never compete is. We've been rug. Pooled by our own government and the middle class and the poor have completely suffered for for it. While the entire economy has exploded with rent seekers and been disgustingly over financial is We we've become you know people talk about like oh. The future of the economy is like all service based now. You can't have services if you don't have buildings if you don't have infrastructure if you don't have energy production if you don't have the manufacturing for the tools that provide the services does not a natural extension. It's it's a consequence of the petrodollar system taking all of our the strong base out of the economy and exporting it exporting it to other countries legit think that if the petrodollar system does not collapse america's screwed like i think it would be a huge benefit for the american middle class and lower classes on and it would wipe out a ton of the inequality in this country to let the bad currency system fail and it would hurt. A ton of people. Doubt would absolutely be an utter mess. But i think in the long run. It's the only solution is the only way out is to stop bleeding. The country dry. That's why that's where bitcoin is. Revolutionary is that it can actually do this a peacefully but be in a graduate. I say gradually but can happen really fast. Maybe maybe managed or because it's voluntary It will be less of less chaotic. I think on than obviously than just an outright collapse like talking about something like venezuela or argentina or Libya whatever like as the currency just implodes and basically. There's no escape valve. The fat of the united states is the biggest hope. I have for the united states as a country as a free country And as a potential future economic powerhouse to actually still be meaningful and not basically full feel the massive force of it's garbage fiat currency finally basically all the bills. All of its bills. Finally coming do is the fact that the us has essentially the dominant position in bitcoin. I'm not meaning government on meaning the us population. The us population has the highest amount of bitcoin adoption and interest which is pretty interesting since the dollar is so strong and technically i mean it's it's suffering right now but you know that wasn't the case in two thousand sixteen seventeen eighteen but it's weird that it would be so successful here in some ways because it seems like the obvious use case the populations that would see the clear and present value of this system would be the ones that are specifically suffering under terrible currencies on and we're not suffering under terrible currencies. We're benefiting from terrible currency so it's kind of found found that interesting maybe it's just because we're such attack world we got silicon valley and you know it's just a leading we're still deleting market and disruption and Trying to find the new innovation in the next big thing So so maybe that just naturally naturally aligned with bitcoin and those visions of people looking for something new and something different and something that was going to change the world for the better. There was a lot of momentum in the united states specifically for that either way. It's it's our best chance. I think new. It's funny that people just in the context of this article and kind of the theme of it A huge thank you to alex. Glad by the way he's been just absolutely killing it lately with some. His articles on this one was unbelievably thorough. Just a ton of great like experts and additional Additional pieces found to to bolster the argument. There really appreciate battle hold on links to hopefully dig further into if i get the time but in so many people particularly we're talking about bitcoin is though complain about the energy expenditure say bickering is burns energy. And it's got this huge huge energy and co two cost and thomas sole said actually in an interview that i just thought i loved this framing of it of it is that so many people on the keynesians the majority of the leftists and anybody who identifies a socialist essentially assumes or basis their theories on the idea that there is a quote unquote solution. That doesn't have costs and the reality anybody who is a serious economists knows that there is no solution there is there are only trade offs and the way to get to the heart of all. The problems is to ask whenever a compare aleka. Acclaim is made of something is to ask. In comparison to what or at what cost and the bitcoin energy debate could not be a better framing for that fallacy. The petrodollars system has staggering negative externalities. It is a massive super waste of energy and propping it up has been incredibly destructive in more ways than one it is caused. It's caused the very tight alliance between the united states and saudi arabia It is supported the saudi arabian dictatorship and apple dictators and tyrannical regimes all across the gulf and the middle east again. It is gutted. The middle class in the united states is gutted. Our manufacturing base and our economic independence. It has over. Financial is d- and corrupted our financial markets. It supported wars and a staggering amount of funding for defense and military services. It is the fuel for the military industrial complex and it has forced us and is forced to the us into a position where we had to run astronomical ever increasing debts. We have obliterated our future in order to prop up our currency system and tweeted out the other day. That's what we're comparing bitcoin to this is. This is the cost of our our current monetary regime and sustaining the base. Money as it is today. There is absolutely no realistic amount of energy. The bitcoin could consume that would not when hundred percent be worth it to solve the systemic corruption and financial imbalances that have been created from the petrodollar system. The price manipulation. The capital controls the supporting of the dictators. The use of the dollar as a political weapon against foreign populations and to finally wipe out the deck. A trillion dollar debt bubbles that central banks have produced. I cannot possibly attempt to guess what amount of energy consumption would be needed for it to not be worth that so anyway I'm i'm out of time here. Let's go close this when out. A thank you to alex glad stein and bitcoin magazine for the constant great stuff. I'm not being able to keep up at all recently. 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BTC029: Jack Dorsey's Involvement in Bitcoin & Jack Maller's El Salvador Announcement W/ Alex Gladstein (Bitcoin Podcast)

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BTC029: Jack Dorsey's Involvement in Bitcoin & Jack Maller's El Salvador Announcement W/ Alex Gladstein (Bitcoin Podcast)

"You're listening to t- ip. Hey everyone welcome to the wednesday release of the podcast were. I'm talking about bitcoin. In more specifically i'm talking with humanitarian. Alex glad stein. The miami bitcoin twenty twenty one conference at the conference. Alex was asked to interview billionaire. Jack dorsey about his opinions in interest in bitcoin. So during this conversation. Alex rehash what that experience was like. Additionally we talk about the petrodollar system the big el salvador announcement where they're officially making bitcoin. Legal tender within their country and much much more so with that. Here's my discussion with alex. Gladsden aren't you listening to bitcoin. Fundamentals by the investors podcast network. Now for your host preston tisch. Alright so here. I am with alex gradstein. Alex you and i had dinner just a couple of nights ago. Which was really neat. And it wasn't just it wasn't just you. We had some other visitors. We had some other people joining us for dinner. It was pretty amazing. It was a very special evening in a very very humid miami gathering organized by our friend. Bj wonderful night but Yeah i was kind of Standing next to jeff. Our our friends In line gets food and were chatting and I had gotten a chance to meet jeff in person before it. He's like oh it with me. And i'm like great and i was following him and he's sitting at a table with you inland alden. So i was like oh this is going to be a lot of fun. So we sat there and talk but mainly about Long long-term game theory around bitcoin adoption And and you know you all had some very interesting thoughts on that right but then you know lo and behold A lot of things we are talking about transpired About thirty six hours later. So it's really it's just been a crazy few days man so i gotta say she's been crazy. Yes so let's talk about that. So we're down in miami and The first thing that we're sitting there having dinner. And you're just like oh. Yeah so interviewing jack dorsey tomorrow and i was like i didn't. I didn't know that you were the one interviewing them. Yeah how did that happen. Did he like reach out to you. Did like reach out to you. How did that transpire So it's been a long road for that event as we all know Supposed to be bitcoin. Twenty twenty I was going to be a speaker. At that event. I was very excited about that event and then obviously the world shutdown and we followed the david and his team as they look as an event producer myself by. I know what they went through and i'm i'm really proud of the way. They did things and really impressed and really really really happy for them because so many things can go wrong. I mean they they were doing in la and as you as you know about a year ago that they were like now we're pulling the report on l. a. We're going to miami. And i think most of us thought that was gonna be a really good idea. We didn't know what exactly would look like But it turns out that that they were going to a lot of the speakers would remain. Obviously i think most excited. So i think it was like i don't know about six months ago. I got this message from them saying that. Hey you know We're excited about speaking. But there's this opportunity to popped up. Basically guess jackson was interested in in having someone like interview in interview him. So i i was like absolutely Once in a lifetime opportunity. So i've just been kind of men's like mentally preparing for it for a long time and i didn't know whether he was going to be there. You know there was like this Honestly until pretty pretty pretty last second thought he was going to be coming in virtually so Maybe he got some foam or something but It was really exciting. When i when i got the news that he was going to be there in person And it was really fun to spend a few minutes now connecting backstage with them before we before we came out. I mean also. Just what a pack warning of programming truly epic with with max and michael and You know the mayor and Dr paul and all the others. I mean it was just a the energy was really off the charts so i'll never forget that for sure. I thought it was really interesting. So i'm curious for you. Were there any answers that surprised you when you were talking with them. Yeah it was as. I put a lot of time into thinking about the arc of what i wanted to do with him and he. You know pretty much wanted to colds. You know even when we were talking backstage. He wasn't like he was asked me what i was asked him. You know. I think he had an idea but But was cool that that he was just ready for anything. Basically and i know that the organizers you know really wanted us to focus on the global impact trade Banking on bank. So i tried to start with them asking him about You know why why was he. Stage of the human rights activists. Is you know that event is very mainstream. There are a lot of people there from Traditional industries traditional media. They were probably like why is why is this. Guy on. Stage of the unites activists. What's going on here. And his answer. Like really kind of blew me away you know. He basically said. I'll just read you a quote from it You know when. I asked him again. You know is this related to empowerment. Like do you see this. He said for me. Bitcoin changes absolutely everything. What i'm drawn to the most about it is the ethos is what it represents are the conditions that created it which are so rare and soc Special so precious. I don't think there's anything more important in my lifetime to work on. And i don't think there's anything more enabling for people around the world whatever i can do. Whatever might companies can do to make bitcoin accessible to. Everyone is how to spend the rest of my life if i were not at square twitter. I working on bitcoin. If needed more help than square in twitter. i would leave them for bitcoin. But i believe both companies have a role to play and then he based out basically went onto saying that like we don't need the banks anymore. You the financial institutions that we have today we have one that's thriving that sounds that's owned by the community that's driven by the community. That has this incredible and amazing consensus that always manages to do the right thing over time. It's noble so rare and unique so anything we can do to build an protect. Bitcoin were down to do and he. You know that's what he opened. The interview. And i was just kind of really taken aback. I mean that says a lot. Don't you think. I mean it's out of control like it's just coming from a guy like that. It's it's totally crazy to hear somebody like that. And you and i have our own paths to bitcoin. We appreciate that but you know come look signal and there's noise and that's signal that's coming from one of the most influential people in the world. Who could really be doing. Anything is basically telling us. This is the most important thing in my lifetime. And he's seen a lot right. He's built world changing technology. I mean seriously. I mean people could argue about it but i tell you remind perspective as someone who is in human rights activism twitter know certainly in my view for the better in many ways certainly has had some downsides but fundamentally has changed the way that a lot of people interact with each other communicate express each with each other connect to each other. And honestly you know has changed a lot of the way that a lot of people consume information so for him who's also been behind square and a bunch of other things to say that I was like wow. This is gonna be a lot of fun and then you know. Look we got. We went through a lot of this stuff about his his travels around the world in how they opened his eyes to what i've seen through my work in through my networks and the people that i talked to. We kind of came to some conclusions around that you know. He talked about Jay z and. That was very interesting and I love this idea that he said that that the jay said that. If we're gonna create money for the world it has to be developed around the world. I loved that you know. That's why they're making that son to get african and indian developers to get involved. There really loved that and then you know we got to this point where he started to Get into why it was bitcoin In not the other stuff because basically said that We are focused on this idea of the internet. Having a native currency that everybody can contract contract transacted every day and at that point again things are going really well and then all of a sudden You know this woman comes up to the stage. I knew who it was immediately like. Wow it's laura luma She's going off about how jackson king of censorship and human rights activists. How could i and all the stuff. And meanwhile there's no real like security. You know her alex. Because i was going to ask you about this. Well i just have read about amichis. Pretty famous like she. She looks she got. I don't know exactly what she got banned from twitter for but i know. She's very provocative. Said a lot of anti anti-muslim stuff i really. I don't like her at all. But but the irony is that She's coming up to attack. Jack which i understand like she got kicked off twitter's angry the irony is like we were about to. We're right about the fact that like bitcoin is for basically the platform people And again people say bitcoins the money of enemies. I wouldn't say. I've enemy. But i really don't like her but i mean hey you know. She can use the internet chic museum. Oh she's gonna be able to bitcoin so it's just kind of funny that like i'm sitting next to the guy who's probably in a combination of effort and Ability and opportunity gonna do the most push in the direction of censorship resistant systems in the next five years and she just doesn't grasp that but i thought it was just kind of is perfect transition into how they clean lightning. Bitcoin asset lightning. The network are going to bring us to this world where have brought us world where we can connect to each other in a way that some stoppable The reaction was. Jack didn't even flinch like he was just like. Oh you know what. Let's let's talk about it right. He he was like oh he's like. Hey let's stop the conversation. Let's address her concern here because he has blue sky. He's working on right. And i think he was excited to eat too good on that path because i think from his vantage point he's like. Oh yeah mardi working on that. So yeah that is yet known. I just you can tell. He doesn't enormous meditation. I mean the man is so centered and just unflinching in now and you know After that he went into it he said. Yeah look He says no. You aren't going to believe me. I know you're saying i'm a liar. But i'm gonna prove it to you. We're going to basically take twitter and turn it into this kind of public utility and we're gonna decamp to twitter dot inc essentially run our own version but anyone can run their own version on this thing ending. That's their vision right. They wanna kinda turned into that. Sort of instance based model. We'll see you know. I'm not like a hundred percent. Sure that's gonna work. But obviously i'm really happy that he's trying to do that and i look. I'm not gonna short him. Do you know they concerned from from your vantage point. What are the concerns of being able to do it. Then i just know i just really technical like i don't know how it's gonna work Know we haven't seen much detail Again i'm not going to shorten on this one. It would be awesome if if it if it works But you know everything's a lotta Kind of decentralized systems beyond bitcoin right like you have to have the incentive structure really down really well And i've used social media. That's like similar. Like mastodon is popular with some big winners but it it just kind lacks the same field and you don't you don't go to it you know. So they're really going to have to to pull off something incredible there but hey if anyone can do it. It's probably him and his team. So i think everyone into thinking about how and talking about Basically lightning powered apps you know are already here and we're using stuff like stinks right. You guys are on there. And you're just sending unstoppable messages damon's right and we're streaming your shows and we're tipping creators in this peer to peer way in a way that no no government can stop and you know those early videos of andreas Way back when saying. Oh we're going to stream money you. Hey you know we're here. It's it's pretty exciting. So i think some of the some of the infrastructure is is is. Is there for that you know. This is neat. So when we were down there i set up a sphinx tribe and this is just like messenger but Everyone's in the group chat and everyone's doing this over the lightning network and so while we were in miami there was two hundred plus people all in this chat people who were synchronizing through their plans while they were down there like. Hey this group of five is going to go over to the conference. Hey we're gonna go to the pool. And i'm seeing it all happened on sphinx. Which was all riding on top of the lightning network a completely decentralized up permission lists incredible claims lazy so like i know and two years ago didn't Year ago like you know the exists. Exhort we're cutting edge here. I'm a people you look if you've been tuned out a bitcoin for years to look alarm. Sure you're out of your listeners. Like you know maybe have it as an asset but if you can tune data like using it. You're going to be really impressed. I mean and that's that's about the time in the presentation. Where i it's quite risky and i decided to try and send a lightning transaction on stage. Yeah tony about this. this will i. I was thinking to myself. I didn't the trust. The only reason i'd say it would. Risky has the The wi fi was really bad and the service was really bad so just worried that it wasn't gonna work from like a data point of view. I mean i it. It works perfectly. They don't get me wrong. I mean when i when i when i generate a lightning receivers and i try to do is send for my moon. Wallet at works all the time but Backstage there were look. They're like five thousand people in that building. Plus five thousand other people roaming around and you know i tried it a few times backstage like one time it did work and i'm thinking to myself is the entire lightning news to hate me so much of this up in front of everybody and i went over to the organizers said. Look i'm gonna do this. I need you to like zoom in on my phone. I want people to see what's going on. And they said okay and we worked it out. And i was going to do it right before a right like basically before luma interrupted. It's i had to wait a while. Actually but you know recollected myself and then pulled out the phone. And i just very excited and i practiced it at to do it really fast basically and just to be like here on this strike tip jar page which anybody can create right. And i'm just like up two dollars going to copy the address gonna pay the my moon wallet gonna hit gonna hit send and i just like teleported a bear asset of all. These people thought that was. That was pretty cool. I'm really happy at work So again if you're not using this step and again it's just you know for now. It's just sort of fun. You having fun. But we're we're catching a glimpse of what's coming in. It's it's going to change the world. Were there any answers that he supplied. That really kinda shocked. You're surprised you or something that really stands out in your mind beyond like his own. The opening comment there that you read which is just mind blowing a couple couple of things. i really am not surprised. But i'm like billion press that they're really doubling down on non-custodial use bitcoin like this is really what we need. I mean people like are worried about capture right. We saw gold gift captured as you know as monetary system sought get centralized captured so the big threat to. Bitcoin is always been that that. It's just going to be sort of. Its ultimate utility would be marginalized because it was so much the infrastructure captured in yet. You have this guy out here coming out with an announcement minutes before we got on stage saying that. They're going to try and build a non-custodial hardware wallet like open source working with the privacy minded Reminded clinking. I mean this is. This is impressive man so so square a company that does a lot of fintech hardware. I mean they've got years of bitcoin hardware to look at to compare notes with their already in touch. I know people that. I highly respect that are making a freedom first. Bitcoin technology and this given jack's mix of interest in terms of merging markets and. How cash app itself is used by a lot of like kinda under bank people in the united states. I just think this has massive so that was surprising to me. I mean one of his colleagues came up to me before he arrived and they were like you might want to check. Because i was kind of just you know. Just in his end Thinking about what. I was gonna say they came up to me and said you want to look at twitter. He just announced this thing. And i'm like oh my god. This is like a sixteen thread that just really quickly But that was out at school to see so that was really surprising. another one was i brought up. Cbd's in central bank digital currencies. And i brought up some of the things they might do. He said It was interesting for me. Discomfort for me to hear him say that he basically said i think all the things you just mentioned from what central banks are trying to do are just bumps in the road. We have a much better alternative bitcoin again. That's a very strong statement from a sexy and then he kept saying you know in bitcoin. We have designs for privacy freedom the more that we especially our governments which i thought was interesting can realize that and get in the boat sooner the better we all are so he was basically straight up saying that government should be presenting bitcoin. Not cdc's and that that cool i make up. I mean again. We criticize him for a lot of things but like he could just easily not be saying these things like the so. I think it's really neat. So that surprised me He threw in a little comment about when i asked him about getting the rent. You have the dice. Right sure may be your listeners. Know fudge dice. That nick carter friends created that. Just have all the different. Criticisms keep rotating about bitcoin over the years so right now are flipping from environment flipping back to. Criminals are going to ransomware as you as we speak. Tonight's blazing hot epa calling for the banning of bitcoin because criminals using it and again. We'll switch to probably go back together next week. But it's just a rotation But you know he says that I asked him about it and he's like ebay says it feels like there's something a little bit deeper when you're hearing these excuses any. He says he thinks it's about them. Losing their power again. Why would a based comment. Like yes i mean. Of course it is We talked energy. And i wasn't. You know there's no surprises there except read the arc square paper but Again i mean he said i think bitcoin gives people more freedom to convert unused wasted power into something that provides value for billions of people around the world. I mean again. I mean cheers to that. I mean but you don't hear text by saying that that's cool You know i heard you about proof of work versus proof of stake. Oh yeah yeah. We talked about that. Yeah so. I didn't really hear him get into too much of the nuances of the differences between the two. No all. I have the quote right here and i am. I think it's very important because everybody look there. Bitcoin only company and a lot of people ask why Look like people have made so much money with the theory and all this other stuff So i asked him and he said the conditions are created. Bitcoin went into it from the proof of work model to the development model to no single points of failure. Everything about is why we're into it. There's nothing else that compares to it and we have no interest other than making sure that we are building a native currency for the internet and helping in every way that we can so all the other coins to meet. Don't factor in at all. That's what he said so. I mean that was interesting certainly I agree but again interesting to see. Here's a mainstream figure. Say that. I think that's that's really signal ear amongst all the noise And then just the last thing i'll say is that at the end. He and i clipped this. And i put this up I share it with you. But i just love this so much. I actually asked him. You know 'cause we're kinda getting to this area where people are starting to bitcoin bad for the us. It's gonna hurt like monetary policy. Whatever so i kind of asked him about whether or not you could say. Bitcoin's get america and he said one hundred percent but i think it benefits the entire world. That's what makes it incredible. Is that every single person in the world were benefit and get value from utilizing this That we finally have a currency that can be traded to any single point on the planet is pretty incredible and what that enables going forward is mind blowing. And i'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that it happens but that's kind of how we ended the the the interview and at the very end i said that After that that just look things really complicated out there. It's a tough political environment. But i think the two of us agree that bitcoin is kind of the way forward and he said he said one hundred percent. It's the only way out and that that was very powerful way to end the interview. So i just was very very impressed and surprised by that as well. Let's take a quick break and hear from today sponsor. Let me ask you a question. How many books are sitting next to your bedside right now. That are only half red. It's just hard to find the time to read so much. 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We'll have a link to it in the show notes So talk to us about the petro dollar system how it kind of came into place and we can kind of go from there like really kinda start like from from your conceptual understanding right at the beginning in. Don't hold back yeah So i think it's two things first the dollar system which which i'll get into in a second but also just global monetary system which is being pushed more towards surveillance and control Whether by corporations or governments big brother or surveillance capitalism. And i think that's kind of what he was Getting a little bit there because we just covered. Cd's and i think that that's part of it is just like all the all the nations of the world regardless of political leaders regardless of what they used for money. There's dislike you know there's like slippery slope towards kind of totalitarian control when you when you go digital like. It's just very hard to resist that temptation. Even if you're you're a really good person in power And i think that that's part of it. The other part is the american dominance of the world financial system. So in that. I think sets us up nicely elsa to get to to the big news of the week but yeah so look The us has been monetarily hegemonic for a long time. I mean after world war one We emerged such better shape than the other nations especially europe we became the world's largest creditor nation britain began its imperial decline That put us in a really good position. World war two. We had a lot of We were able to get our way redwoods and forty four. We were able to basically Veto the british idea of a bank. Which would be like a internationally managed unit of account like kind of what the sdr is today and we were able to get everybody to agree to us dollars as a reserve currency so like dollars around the world which would be pegged to Our currency at a rate of thirty five dollars per ounce gold Accumulated all the goal than we were the custodian at a system and look things went pretty well for a while as we climbed out a world. War two bucks in especially after jfk got assassinated in the late sixties. The world started to become really concerned about like the us. Monetary system in our ability to hold that peg. So the french especially like very vocal about this. I mean de gaulle and his ministers called the dollar the exorbitant privilege Look britain. I think sixty seven or sixty eight day. They defaulted essentially on their on their currency. And i think france some of these other countries looked around and said you know. I'm very concerned that the us is going to do that as well and they did. Actually but but nixon was able to kinda you know. Just sorta hold them for a little while. But in the summer seventy-one things just had gotten a to much like the vietnam war and the social spending from johnson had had pushed our Basically to gdp ratio you know higher and higher are basically gold versus are are outstanding commitments at gotten really extreme guns butter approach was very expensive and the french actually sent like oh battleship in new york city in august of seventy one to get or at the end of End of august early september. Seventy one to get the gold to get their gold back to redeem their goal than The british asked for like a huge transfer of several billion pounds as well from fort knox to new york in preparation for withdrawal so a couple of days later. Knicks went on tv. Nixon shock speech ended the gold window and and put us into the fiat world. Right where we've been for fifty years so this the important thing to remember there. Is that like the rest of the world is basically calling our bluff on being able to Hold that hold that peg. And what's interesting is that Already before this both qian's and and this guy named So both canes in this guy named john tiffin Economists realized there was gonna be this issue if the us became the reserve currency kind of hegemonic and traffic driven. It's called the in dilemma. And it's basically idea that like in order to satisfy everybody else's needs around the world you have to run just an increasingly large deficit and that's what ended up happening. And it was kind of like uled and sustained by this thing called the petrodollar system which came into play and seventy re really in seventy four After nixon goes the goldwyn dollar depreciated by twenty percent against other national currencies of the major ones. At least so between seventy one when he ended in september seventy one to summer seventy three. We appreciate it twenty percent so so those. Those concerns were founded by the other countries that we would not be able to hold things together. and and that was a very inflationary decade. There was a lot of unrest. There was a lot of Inflationary activity obviously as you'll know And kissinger and nixon at the figure out a solution basically so they hired this guy. I say it's kind of funny. It's just hire someone in the government you sort of appoint them. They literally hired a bond salesman. In william simon From solomon brothers. He came into the government they they upgraded him to the treasury secretary and they basically said dude you need to sell bonds You know how are we going to finance all this stuff but sell bonds. We can't raise taxes because nixon was about to get impeached. He couldn't do it so we had to get other countries to stop. It's as simple as that There's a really good book Very well i mean it's very good but it's very detailed and technical but it describes this whole process and it's called the hidden hand of american hegemony by david spiro And it's kind of a thing that you can get on amazon and basically this guy dedicated his life to writing about this because it was so buried after the eighties. People barely wrote about petro dollar anymore. But it but it really wasn't really like set the whole world up for what was to come and simon and kissinger and nixon Basically said look we gotta sell bonds. Are we gonna sell it to. And they looked around and they looked at the saudis and what had happened is that essentially because of the shift in power in from western companies to sovereign states. Needs to be these things called. The seven sisters was like these european and american corporate Energy companies that basically like colonize in many ways these other these sort of other countries. They lost their power in the sixties and by the seventies opec existed in it and it was on the rise and saudi arabia. Had just come into its own as like the swing producer for this for the systems they really important and they decided Seventy three in reaction to both american agricultural policy and end our involvement in the war where we support israel basically jacked the price of oil from two dollars a barrel to over ten dollars a barrel and they set an embargo on states. Right so After this happened You know. That's that's when nixon gets injured and simon were like okay. Got gotta sell the bonds so they actually tried to make peace. The saudis kind of quietly. sponge conversations earlier in seventy four by june of seventy four crown. Prince fahd dc. Nixon went to saudi arabia. Simon went to jeddah and by the end of the year. They add this like pacts. Basically it's it's based the ideas called petrodollar. Recycling is the idea and again a petrodollar is a dollar earned by An energy exporter And the idea of petrodollar. Recycling is that they take that dollar and they invested back into. us debt the us treasuries at netflix. That allows us to basic print money to finance operations An and it allowed us to print money into oil whereas the soviets during the cold war had to dig it out of the ground or by i mean it was a huge advantage. So with this system We got that advantage. All the saudis had to do was price oil dollars which made everybody in the world. Hey them in dollars create this huge artificial demand for dollars And they had to recycle some of it back into debt. Okay they also did this to the euro dollar system. Which was i wouldn't say small but definitely got massive as a result us in his traded all kinds of other interesting effects on the world but essentially in return they got protection right. They got they got our promise to defend them which is why they're still around today. As why trump in biden won't go after a count the you know they won't go after nbs. Even though we know he killed kashogi and torture scheme political prisoners in his strong yemen. We won't we won't do it. All we'll do is sell raytheon stuff to him like. We continue to arm them So the deal. Was you denominate. The oil sales in dollars and you. You reinvest that you recycle that back treasury so we can keep our guns and butter. going in. return will protect you and will army so as as Greenspan said actually greenspan at the end of the seventies was actually in the ford ministration. He was quoted as saying essentially. That like You know the saudis became then opec but by seventy five both the saudis and opec. We're all doing this That the essentially the Opec had become You know non market Purchasers of us treasuries and we became non-market sellers of weapons right. So this was not Speros book is all about how this was a free market outcomes very much a political outcome driven by the us government and and it. It did very well for the us. In fight against the soviets and four people in our country that are of particular classes like in technology services basically coastal elites But over time it was really really bad for people lower middle classes Really hollowed out over time. Our export base rustbelt stuff obviously also very bad for for a lot of developing countries. Who all of a sudden were saddled with a lot of this like dollar denominated debt. That was really hard for them to pay back in it. Force them to focus on that instead of investing in their own countries so That's kind of the setup and we didn't like after we defeated the soviets didn't change the system. We didn't have like bretton woods. We just kept going. And we continue to protect saudis. Obviously the first gulf war was much more clearly about that right. The second gulf war though is interesting to And and you lynn. Auden has written about this a little bit and nick. Carter talks about this but You know like we needed to protect this system and guess what saddam was a threat. I mean he started the petro euro. October two thousand and said he was missiles five percent of the world's oil in euros by two thousand two through the oil for food program. He was selling five percent of the world's oil in euros. France germany and six months later we went in there and we took them out and You know By june of two thousand three that new regime was selling oil in dollars again. This was not like like howard feinman in newsweek. Wrote about this at the time after we went in there he said that You know the big debate afterwards in may of two thousand three wasn't wasn't whether to keep looking for the debut. wmd's which exist it was. It was what were we gonna price oil in. And and the dollar one out so i mean there's a couple of other reasons. I think that that's interesting because we were at such a hyperpower moment in our history like we're not anymore and i think that's important to note that the petrodollars system is is unraveled. I think luke braman has done a really good job explaining that You know basically after the opec nations became less powerful economically when the price of oil fell in eighty two all through the nineties other countries stepped in and started doing the recycling like germany. japan eventually china But but in two thousand three we could really throw our weight around the hyperpower And none of these explanations for that war made any sense to me. There was no connection to al-qaeda it wasn't about iraqi freedom human rights and and and it certainly wasn't about wmd's there weren't any and it wasn't about countering iran either and we we had. We had backed saddam in the eighties in iran. Iraq war literally counter around. so. I don't know man i it's really interesting to think about but i guess the conclusion is that the us I think some people have put this well. Even economically people wanna debate the value of the petrodollar You know and and the pricing of oil as it relates to the whole global economy and some people say it's not that important. U s policymakers have have have think it's very important and they've acted on that and i think that's the important takeaway there. David graber says that in his book debt which which probably most people here wouldn't agree with but the ending is very good. There's about twenty pages at the end of debt where he goes into this and talks about why nixon floated dollar and all this stuff. So i mean look here. We are today Nobody's really buying our treasuries anymore. At were the biggest buyer over on treasuries you know that systems kind of collapsing we. We're not even going to sanction. The russian head of nordstrom who's going to be helping. Russia and europe start to trae energy in their own currencies more and more and more is not a whole lot. We can do to china and russia in that regard. And then you know here. We are with bitcoin. Right so i mean look if it was if it was the seventies or eighties. I think you'd see very aggressive action. From the us against countries that are that are trying to change the petrodollar system which which pins together This huge artificial demand for dollars and the fact that there's still ninety percent of the world's trade sixty percent of the world reserve currency held in dollars forty percent of the world's data styled dollars so i think that We would have. We would be very aggressive about this back then but just so overstretched and we just are so thin at home that i think we can do it and that i guess leads to back to the final pieces conversation. Which is what's happening. Gop geopolitically today with bitcoin right yes. So let's talk about jack's big announcement Then we're now we're talking about now. We're talking about jack mahler's jack doors. Yeah so yeah laid onto for folks. That were there just to kind of explain. Jack's background because i know he's been down in el salvador for i think a few months now like really kind of making things happen on the ground writer and just to just to connect that very long monologue. I just went on. I mean the results of that still is that like the world's very dependent on the dollar el salvador's dollar is country. You know and and they're pros there but there's also cons And again now. They're entirely reliant on us monetary policy. They don't make their own currency and they are as jack. Jack miller said on stage that they are very much Recipients of any sort of monetary expansion that we do their recipients of that of that negative extra analogy in in a big way. Especially because you know most people in el salvador very poor Seventy percent don't even have bank accounts Twenty two percent of the whole economy. Connie of that country runs on remittances from the us. A fifth of the economy so Again like we're in this world where the where the us really exerts like really outside power. And and you know that that again has some negative externalities In different places. Around the world than i think Jack when he went down there. Jack mahler's probably saw this in. You know he saw how people struggling. And what a what a what a tough time. Drowsy for salvadorians. I mean they have the highest Until recently the highest murder rate in the world. I mean it's really tough to attract foreign investment. There's not a lot of hope opportunity all of a sudden a couple years ago. The sky michael peterson. Who i met. Upstanding gentlemen begins stuff with him. Really cool guy. He in some other people decide to create this thing. Bitcoin beach and i think even i have. I was like pretty skeptical. I was like okay. Like the seems kind of like. I would say gimmick but i was like It's gonna work. I was a little like. I'm not sure i was so wrong Survey they built this community. They started the circular economy. All on bitcoin. On these different wallets in this kind of like a community with a lot of ex is bent time in a place in mexico called deeply day which is probably very similar to amazon. So i kind of know what what what is probably like but you know very international mix but then it starts starts to really connect to the local community and i think jack jack miller spent time there you know in those months leading up when he made that announcement on your show january about strike global and i you know obviously onstage. He said that's what made him making his company in a different way. Not focusing on europe as much as as maybe a place like el salvador. I think he saw what kind of power bitcoin could have. And i i thought that actually ross. Stevens explained this really wellness interview. Did recently in a very powerful way just to think about the fact that like all these people like twenty. Two percent of the whole economy comes to remittances. There's only a handful of like western means all country and seventy percent of people don't have bank accounts that means they're like they're going on a bus for like three hours to go to get their money in cash in a very dangerous place. Slaughter murdered theft like the risking everything for that but a lot of people have phones right so all of a sudden now ever evolution rights. It's carry powerful like now like anyone can just like have their sort of bank account on their phone. They don't have to go on that bus. They don't have to risk themselves. Don't have to carry cash on them. They can have their strike bank account. Basically which is like Usd t usually kind of like nominated to protect against risks. And then the cool part is they can just withdraw to their non. Kyc sovereign savings account in bitcoin. Right and apparently. That's what's happening. So jack makes that announcement in january off the fumes of living at the beach for a while And he launched. I in march down there and by the end of the month. It's like the most downloaded app in the country. Right so are apparently at some point. The president country obviously like what is going on here right and just briefly. Look i'm a human rights activists who work for human rights group We should not celebrate this guy We should be open minded about what happens. I mean look like a bad rulers in do good things like look at the magna carta. Do you know what i mean. Even they could be forced to doing good things but also people could change right so we'll see but as of now. We should be very skeptical. The guy has like Sacked judges He has imagine like you know biden doing this today. It'd be like biden. Just went just got rid of two supreme court justice because he didn't like him that's essentially what happened. He also went into the assembly last year with troops to force the them to pass a bill that he wanted so imagine biden doing that today. It's the congress you can. You can start to see this guys that we need to reserve judgment aries. He's not place any crown on this guy yet. I mean i would not do that I would be very skeptical about him. At least but the policy man the action some sitting there in the audience jack goes onstage. This big announcement. Everybody's like It's gonna be lame. I was like lame Any announces that this is key goes through this whole thing that i just kind of went through about a rough spot all salvador is in and and how we can make a difference maybe with bitcoin and then he plays the video of the president saying they're going to pass a law making it legal tender and you know that they're gonna you know that they're adding it's the reserve and man. The place goes wild Forget that moment is really amazing. And now we've just been living in this new world where i just don't think anybody in. Bitcoin was realistically expecting us to go from really. No inflation hedge narrative on the main street at all to michael sailor. Doing his thing to you on doing his thing. With tesla to a nation state doing it in about a year i mean. That's such blinding pace. I mean i think people people like maybe thought that would take several more having hs to happen and apparently extremely bearish so here. We are this guy who kelly is. The michael sailor of nation states is. He just narcissistic and did he just realized that this would make you famous it. 'cause it's made them really frigging famous right. So maybe that's and that's fine Or does he get it. Does he get like the deeper geopolitical thing here. Where his he his company his country can be this geopolitical first mover he can attract foreign investment. He can lure people in to this country. That's had such a hard time and he can connect people to banking services and have them own their own money in a way that can't be debased remotely confiscated. I don't know it may not matter like it may just bitcoin may work in its incentive structure up so that It's okay that he's just narcissistic selfish. It's it's kind of like he's taken the genie out of the bottle. And the last thing. I'll just say on. That is the last three days in el salvador. This is like anybody's talking about. I mean i. I was talking to salvador's today and he's showing me all these articles in all the major newspapers. And it's just like everybody's like what is bitcoin. What is our president talking about. It's a people are talking about barbershops in taxis like on the street like this is not going away. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. So i mean bats the network effects that you're not really seeing and this is spreading man. I met some people in miami. They're trying to move this squat amal and there's other people trying to move into other countries and just in the last like two hours. I've seen people on twitter from what like brazil like other congressman in el salvador paraguay. Like they're all talking about it right. And i don't know if they have the power that that kelly has to do it but the the genie's out of the bottle here it's a it's a new era. Says it's really exciting. I honestly and again don't celebrate the guy celebrate the action. 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Bitcoin beach and all of the second order effects of that where where people are using actual bitcoin wallet and they're doing the bitcoin economy and then their strike which again. It's kind of like Jack calls it. It's a neo bank. Where like the beauty of it. Obviously is that like anyone can just pay directly to to someone in el salvador instantly essentially Having having their account number or whatever but You know usually it's that bad that's kept in like again like a like a stable coin. Usd denominated amount of money. and again. I think people basically use that as like checking account. But you know the real kicker of course is they can just immediately move into their into their own control of bitcoin. So as far as like What you know. Lightning is really operating on the back in there But i do think from what i've heard from michael and other people and talking to salvadorans like yeah there's more merchants you're gonna gonna get involved here. And i think. I was talking with somebody about this. I was someone really thought that like globally gresham's law would be really in effect for the decade. That bad money would would drive out the good and just wanna spend your fiat. And you'd hold your whole jew bitcoin But and then there's this other though that that was lurking in the distance thought it would be way way down the road but fears laws. The other way around the good money drives out the bad. And it's interesting 'cause like he may have like really accelerated us in the same way that sailor accelerated the inflation hedge narrative an understanding globally of what. Bitcoin is like the this idea that like as a merchant you can demand bitcoin or you. Can you'd be. Bitcoin preferred right. I mean you're obviously you already. You're seeing this pop up in Parts el salvador. that's just going to accelerate right so then all of a sudden then you gotta spend your bitcoin like if if if you're being offered a discount on it or if some places only take it some people start selling the real estate for which which i know you've talked about all of a sudden that's in play in now as opposed to in three or something so i think that this guy. This one announcement. He's really like move. The needle on on that heart of bitcoin becoming unlock for for a lot. More people which which is so good for bitcoin. Because now we're going to really want to focus on privacy non-custodial stop while it infrastructure. It's not just this digital gold asset. That's gonna sit next audience. And and i think it could have been for a while but this announcement is like a shock to the system that is similar to the sailor shock And there's obviously geopolitical stuff which we can get into. But i think that's just so interesting that it's really gonna wake people up to to bitcoin as as a network you know. I don't know that. I was really surprised by how just the price of bitcoin reacted Following the announcement like what. What are your thoughts on that. Because i think anybody who's hearing this is saying. Then why is it down. Alex like that. This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. No man i mean. You're you guys are better at this to me but there is no efficient market going on here. No one knows anything People felt that having was priced in. obviously not. i mean. I just think that the market right now is not paying attention to this stuff In terms of the volume. And you're looking at the back end you're looking at the metrics and the volumes that are happening every day are not people who are like sergio political analysts. They're not like thinking seven steps ahead. they're just like staring at short term stuff. And there's other nonsense now coming in and we don't even need to put on a tin foil hat. There's always nonsense but now there's the ransomware stop then there's all kinds of crap Oh the feds broke. Bitcoin like no they didn't they just took it off. Somebody's frigging custody studying or somebody left on their phone. Did put a pass route or something like that. Like millen broke bitcoin. But now the sudden you know it's funny man really aggressively you get you get the first nation states. Come out and say. We're going to make bitcoin our money. And then oh man to fudd goes into complete overdrive meltdown so and again remember total volume like very dominate dominated by by americans and europeans. Still today right or at least providers based in those countries. So i think that term is just so much noise man and what. I really came out of the bitcoin conference with was just a a connection back to the foundational foundation of what we're here for. I mean especially through that conversation of jack. And just i mean i i always care about the price because i know that it's connected with the incentive mechanism of bitcoin. But i mean i couldn't care less price right now like cheaper sets for everybody i guess Good for the good for the salvadorans I don't know man. It could move sideways a long time. But i think you saw the same thing in the summer seventeen or like incredible things happening within the battle for the soul. Bitcoin and Took awhile took to the end of the year for that to be reflected really lifted after we we were sure that up for war was over right so We've seen this before. Were like amazing stuff happens. And nothing's reflected. I mean again. One more thing i mean. Tap root is about to get activated. Basically it's about to get locked in. It's going to be live late november. What ninety nine percent of. All the hash signaling. And that's not priced in. Nobody cares about that. No one even knows. Tap root is outside. Of like i would say that maybe four hundred people at bitcoin twenty twenty one could have told you like in a detailed way with tattered. Is it's not priced in. This isn't priced in but i'm telling you man. This is huge. This is huge. It's you know so. We have a lot of investors that listen to the show and so for your your argument would be. This is just like a company that their fundamentals. Just keep getting stronger and stronger yet. Maybe the price action. Just keep going down for whatever whatever market reasons there would be and so. You're just stay focused on the fundamentals in the engineers building and those kind of things. Yeah but again like it could be this sort of wants to steps toward one. Step back thing where okay. Sailor announces his thing gets really exciting. Yuan goes and then all of a sudden sailor has his conference. And then you know it's kinda quiet like we don't really know smart buying you don't really know what companies are involved like. It's not quite as exciting as everybody thought it was. Prices dropped a cage wilted could happen here. Okay we could have el salvador and for a while we can have nobody else doesn't seem like that's the case right now. Looks like a bunch of other. Latin american countries. Especially looking at this carefully. Looks like this is triggering. A lot of interest from really downtrodden nations. And i guess. That's i guess what i wanted to finish his that. There's there's there's the conversation about domestic policy in salvador and you know. Do we wanna be standing. This guy no But obviously is policy is going to be great for salvadorian. So cheer this awesome. I mean he's already talking about working block stream two Guests satellite internet going so that people can access the bitcoin network. I mean this is june. Twenty twenty one. I mean this is stuff we thought was going to happen in the twenty third and this crazy we have a head of state talking about how he's gonna get satellite bitcoin access to his country. I mean what's so that that's happened and now you got. Laser is in like four countries in latin america again. Like this is an opportunity for these people. i mean. These people can't make their monetary policy. They can't set their own financial destiny. They're totally tied to ours. In many other countries that aren't dollarized. Their situation even worse because their financial destiny is tied to a bunch of people who like literally just run the money printing So hot that. The country has thirty forty fifty five hundred dot thousand percent inflation. I mean if you just look at like countries like argentina venezuela cetera in the region So situation goes bad in anywhere from bad to worse in the region. Now people are gonna get to own their money an own it in a way. That can't be debased remotely confiscated and could be just seamlessly. You know network connected with anyone that we're in the world and there's just nothing more bullish than that and i just don't think it's priced in. People are fused. they don't understand what's happening. I don't think. Us policymakers really know how to react The markets obviously don't know how to react. So this is your signal i mean i mean people have been talking about this for a decade. When is the first country can adopt bitcoin. Well it just happened so again. We're in open water bitcoin. We don't know no one knows no could predict the next step. But how could you not see this as bullish. I mean this is a wild fantasy literally just happened. You know what. I mean so by declaring it legal tender within the country a person's knocking to pay capital gains on bitcoin. There can you get it. Yeah yes yeah so now. Now what does that mean. What kind of incentives zach create for for companies. That may be one a move into that jurisdiction. Yeah i mean. Look i think at some short me right on the ground right now. I mean i think a lot of the people using bitcoin Were already probably not paying taxes or you know not not in not in the formal economy or whatever so i don't think it has like an immediate immediate practical use case but i mean for businesses Especially to do international business. That's huge and all of a sudden it's like it's a foreign currency right. It's it's the currency of salvador alongside their own currencies. Been kind of volunteer disuse. They have the dollar. They're going to bitcoin now so now. All of a sudden got conversations going on in all these trading houses like what we do with this. Okay all of a sudden. It's it's a foreign currency. Wh what that there's no there's no rulebook here. No one ever saw this coming. They weren't ready for it It's like a white. Uk moment that that no one saw coming and now like short-circuiting a lot of things so we'll have to see But yeah i mean it's inside the country you can have a huge impact It is so legitimate meaning like if this passes like all of a sudden. Bitcoin activity just comes completely normalized. And i just think that it's just it's more than about the law or about the tech adoption. It's about the social dynamics of this thing entering into people's mindsets conversations and all of a sudden there's going to be such a premium on learning about bitcoin spanish language providing good quality education. That people don't go and do stuff like tron. I mean there's going to be so many scams moving in there too. So i mean there's going to be so much demand for like good educators good product builders. Look you're already seeing a lot of the Community go to el salvador. I mean this guy's gonna get so so many talented people coming into that country to help him rebuild it you know. And that's completely regardless of his politics. Like so i just again would be very excited about this medium to long-term especially and it's going to have major major major geopolitical implications especially in a world where the system again which i've strived is weakening like we don't have as hydropower america anymore We don't have the ability to control everybody else's money anymore We are at our kind of on. Let's say on the back nine of her career being able to finance the guns in butter by other countries demand for our debt that is really really declining So it's kind of time. You can't stop an idea whose time has come. I think there's gonna be a lot of like we have to be careful here because there's going to be a lot of negative things said about this guy some true and some of which are not. There's going to be just like you know whenever there's good stuff happening bitcoin. There's a lot of like you know counter noise. That's gonna really test are sense making year because amanda Already there's articles about how the imf is like this and there's gonna be a risk premium on the bombs and there's going to be Complications with this country you know getting its best loan from the imf and washington's not going to be happy and yeah i mean there's there's going to be really serious consequences for the this country stuck its neck out right so we'll have to see but you know what if these other countries followed quickly enough. Then there's not much we can do But man it's going to be really interesting to watch geopolitically. I just hope people can understand that. This is not some stunt like regardless of what happens in the capital. This things can have massive massive implications for the average salvadoran And i couldn't be more excited for them. I mean they deserve it. They've been through such brutal several decades. The system serious hope that's coming here. So let's let's stay tuned and let's keep keeper is open. Alex final question for you was there any Panel or topic or something that you heard during the conference that just kind of like really piqued your interest or that. You found Kind of fascinating. I just been very interested in mining. Lately i think mining is this really misunderstood thing that is going to totally transform our world and touched on briefly with jack but outside of panels. I got to talk to a lot of minors and out to learn a lot of things in similar to tap root. Where we've got this thing that's really interesting. Called strategy beat too which is like a basically a way of putting power back in the hands of minors out of the hands of pu operators making the whole thing about lot more decentralized in censorship resistant in this thing's going to happen to And it's just gonna help us like move into a situation. Where kind of as. Jack said like we can start taking advantage of all. This waste happens around the world and all these stranded resources You know. I i learned from these people just about how men like for example like you could power all the bitcoin network just on just on the methane emissions from landfills alone. You could power the bitcoin network just on pretty much. The power of the nuclear plants that the us is decommissioning this year alone. You power the bitcoin network. Just one with one nuke plant. That's in japan alone like this. This public conception of bitcoin is going to destroy the environment so off base so wrong. And i think it's just all about the mining community telling being a better explainer what they do and how they work and what they're doing and some people are helping with that but i would say general it's just just learning more about the really incredible transformative power of mining. And and what that's going to do the world. I mean that that was. That was a real kinda opener for me. All right alex. 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From the Petrodollar to a Bitcoin Standard with Alex Gladstein & Nic Carter

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From the Petrodollar to a Bitcoin Standard with Alex Gladstein & Nic Carter

"The reasonable to think that in the next ten fifteen years. You'll start seeing a real shift. Whether it's to bipolar world or multipolar world potentially a world where we no longer have the petrodollar as kind of reserve currency but rather maybe the bitcoin standard from chicago will doing pretty wild times out there right now and if you will fall into the days ago we've just witnessed the birth of the mining council now this mix of responses from some who are very angry that this was a closed-door meeting to others who feel like this is a good move and it's not such a big deal i myself find it hard not to think a semi times in history of bitcoin. The new york agreement which the deaths didn't attend disaster. That was the bitcoin association. My personal view is that we are potentially won't shaky grounds where Different people with different influence perhaps billionaires can prop up the energy narrative and an influence market prices while also pumping a mean coin. Personally reject this. And i've been trolling because of this and has been subject to some harsh criticism. Truth be told with all my wealth held in bitcoin. I am suspicious of certain people flex influence and the slippery slope that this leads to. I'm going to cover this specifically in a show with dan held on friday. But i do respect. There are different people with different opinions on this. And i'm going to try and speak to as many as i can. Just try and get some consensus around. I'm not a fan of it though. I just don't like what has been happening this last few weeks in the world of bitcoin. Anyway how are you. Welcome to the. What bitcoin podcast. Which is brought to you by gemini. The only place. I am using to buy bitcoin. I'm your host. Peter mccormack and today i have an interview with allenstein and nick carter. Where we're going to be discussing petro dollar but before that do have a message from my show sponsors and i up today is ledger. 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Bitcoin is alex. Gusting and carter on the show to go. Alex's recent article the hidden costs of the petro petrodollar now. I say this all the time. When i'm doing a show based on article you have to go and read. This is truly must call. It is in the show knows. Please do gun check dow in the article. Alex goes about answering the question of whether having bitcoin is. The world's reserve currency could bring an end to dictatorships inequality and our reliance on oil. It is an absolutely amazing article. Once i read. I hit alexander. Say come on man come on the show. I wanted his with you. But we brought nicholas guest as alex gets into the history of reserve currencies back to the gold standard throughout bretton woods. And i think. Nick is an absolute beast breaking this stuff down now. If you have any feedback on this show you can reach out to me. My email addresses. Hello at what. Bitcoin did dot com. You can jump into my telegram. Okay over to the alex. Good to see how you doing doing well. Thanks for having us. Peter always a pleasure. Nick your hundred fiftieth appearance on big wounded. How are you. i'm doing great. I think this is number eight man. I hope talk is lop ahead of me. Know lots behind. Breedlove is on now. The problem is regular guests that smell but some fair can't compare us to them. They don't count that account. I think more importantly the first pop podcast. I've ever appeared on with nick really. Yes i while. I feel honored to have you both together because you to my favorite people talk to okay so alex a huge fan of your work you produce. I think some of the best content out there. I think the only person who rose you for that spot is the man. Join us. carter your reason to go on the petrodollar. I think is my favorite thing. I've i've read by because you educated on something that i've heard about but i didn't really properly understand the mechanics and certainly didn't understand the geopolitical mechanics s the big things. Anyone listening it will be linked in the show. Is she should probably read it before you listen to this interview. Alex what was the background to this. Why did you decide to attack this topic. Yes so i can credit nick and a few others actually for cently reminding the world that when we talk about bitcoins energy use. We're not talking about a comparisons like visa. Which is what the media likes to focused on in reality when you look at visa of course visa is is a fintech kind of sitting on top of the banking system which is sitting on top of the dollar system so transactions actually use a lot more energy than than On the surface and my whole goal here was to to die. Down has the surface to the bottom of the monetary system and To fairly compare bitcoin per transaction or whatever to the existing financial system. You have to compare the full stack. So bitcoin is like this open stack. You can see it all in like we can kind of more easily figure out the extra analyses the that we spend on a daily basis Today you through kind of like commercial banking and fintech at the full stack is hidden right. So my goal here was to dive all the way down and take a look at what under what what is backing the financial system today and then that way we kind of have a fair comparison terms of the negative externalities of like the bitcoin system versus versus the dollar system and the the whole premise of this conversation. That i wanna have you guys. Is this idea that like the world reserve currency or essentially what nations say than i. Two geopolitical level has evolved over the last century plus from basically a gold standard to the bretton woods standard which we can get into which was essentially Governments now using dollars pegged to gold then evolving to what we could call the treasury bill standard which is after seventy one seventy two seventy three since then nations have basically saved in us debt essentially as like the hardest money quote unquote and then for the context of our show. Here obviously might thesis. I think we're gonna go to bitcoin. Standard as the as the next monetary revolution in terms of what to central banks and governments in sovereigns. Actually hold as like the hardest money so again. We've gone from gold to sort of dollars backed by gold two dollars slash treasuries backed by quote unquote nothing to. I think we're gonna head to bitcoin. So that's that's the chronology here of what. I wanna talk about antastic. Well you all nick to join us today is. Nick is one of the world's leading experts on the history of the gold standard. I'm not an expert. I might be able to chime in here but Yeah i like. I mean did all the. I learned a lot from alex's p so yeah the alec show so incredibly detailed or more researched article and i will circle amongst everyone. I know again. But i do think an important starting-point because even if covered this on the show before other people won't have listened all my previous shows I'm i'm produce. A ban was one contributes to the website w. t.f happened in nine hundred. Seventy one pre nine hundred seventy one is probably good to just given overview of the history. Nick if you want to attack this from what happened after world war two leading up to essentially the vietnam and how well pows decided to work together on a common monetary base thing. Yeah so of course is a very long monetary history which we can't fully cover here but You know the long and short of it is in nineteen forty four when it was pretty clear that the the us and the allies would win the war Effectively the allies together at this hotel. The mount washington resort in bretton. Woods new hampshire which is a lovely hotel. By the way i was actually just there. It's very charming. It's kind of you know too much two hours north of boston in the shadow of my washington. Which is pretty pretty tall mountain and they discussed a new international system. They set up a bunch of international organizations and of course the key thing that came out of that was the agreement that the world would unify on this monetary standard administered by the us with the us as the main arbiter and administrator of that system and effectively. What had happened during the war was a lot of is european countries. They're they had actually given our entrusted with their gold reserves for safekeeping. There's a whole story about european nations and are fleeing with their gold. Getting it to the us. Because i was considered to be the safe place and effectively the us in forty four to this bargain to the world into their allies. Saying you know. We will administer the monetary standard it will be based on gold. We will for the most part hold. Everyone's gold and all of your sovereign currencies will just be different weights of the dollar. Which will be backed by gold and redeemable for gold. You know keep in mind at this point in history. Gold convertibility for individuals citizens was still suspended. If i'm not mistaken so. I had been suspended in the thirties during the great depression so it was A tiered system there was gold convertibility for sovereigns not for regular folks and so effectively it was a gold base standard through the interface of dollars with other currencies just being different weights of gold or different ways up the dollar and that persisted for couple of decades. I was known as the bretton woods system. Of course people talk about the imf in the world bank has the bretton woods you know institutions as well so bretton woods is kind of mattamy for the entire system that the us used as it became the sole superpower the sole nation that had really survived world war two intact with no destruction and the us embarked on the marshall. Plan to help rebuild. The world's they issued a huge amount of credit and distributed capital globally to help rebuild europe effectively. And because they were. You know unmitigated victor. They're they are able to effectively seized control and there was discussion at that time around a bank or style system. Canes at advocated for bancorp. Which would have been a global reserve currency would be mixture of different sovereign currencies to avoid the terrific dilemma. That idea was actually shot down at the time and instead we got this dollar base standard which ended up persisting for the next thirty years or so. Nick can you just explain the truth. And so i want to make sure maybe alex can chime in here. I wanna make sure. I get this right as far as i understand it. It's this tension between domestic goals and International needs as far as an issue of the world reserve currencies concerned if the world has a need for. Let's say dollars in your issuing dollars global reserve. That's this constant pressure on dollars in the you know. Foreigners need dollars to conduct commerce and that conflicts with domestic goals because it makes exports uncompetitive in the country that is issuing the golden reserve. And so it's sort of causes the negative balance of trade effectively and so often Who's an economist. I suppose predicted this issue and people knew that it would eventually be an issue. Which is you know. The two goals are kind of intention issuing global reserve currency that everyone can use and then be able to sort of have a stable monetary framework domestically. I don't know if that's a sort of full explanation. Yeah i just. I guess i would point out the chicken You know he came out with his theory in sixty sixties and that's when world generally speaking started to question the. Us is ability to hold the gold peg at thirty five dollars. An ounce number one The french led by the golf and and other countries really questioned especially after the assassination of jfk. The direction that the win number one with just like huge war spending for vietnam but also the great society so this was known as guns n. butter and It was unclear to the world whether or not the us would be able to keep. Its promise to redeem their gold. And in fact later in the sixties you know french statesman came up with this phrase like You know the dollar said it privilege And they sort of started to realize that in the triffid dilemma response required the us to have this huge balance of payments deficit And you know essentially what the other countries would end up doing in doing financing. us debt. So when you got up to the late sixties britain actually kind of Defaulted let's say In ended up having to devalue the pound in the late sixties as a result of lack a of poor fiscal policy in its colonial collapse and a lot of the other power started to really worry the same thing could happen to the. Us so In the summer seventy one actually. The the french sent like a battleship to new york city in august of seventy one to like redeem their gold and the british asked for like about three billion pounds of gold to be moved from fort knox to new york in preparation for withdrawal so countries around the world at were basically calling usa's bluff based on what they saw vietnam and social spending and they just didn't think the us could sustain the systems. They were ready to like take gold back so nixon in a famous speech. actually went on tv and he he declared. This was a few days after the french. Sent the battleship really. This was a reaction to this world demand for their goal back and he said no. We're not going to give it back. Our ending the goldwyn Other nations can no longer deemed their dollars for gold he also announced Some like wage freezes and similar import tariffs. This was kind of pitched as a bid to save the economy. As the us was was was entering into a very inflationary decade so the system nick described came under heavy stress at the end of the sixties. And the early nineteen seventies really set the stage for You know this transition to kind of world economy now Just a couple couple of big events. I wanted to hit for the for the audience As i mentioned. Nixon ended convertibility of gold in the late summer of seventy one this kind of immediately value. The dollar by ten percent so the fears of the world were founded You know the the. Us was at the end of the day not to be trusted to guard the world's reserve currency and it's war in vietnam and social programs Impossible for it to guarantee the promises at once extended now The world kind of went into a very inflationary decade In the coming years the next sort of big event i would i would. Hit is in seventy three. We have like this dynamic in oil really shifting so first of all you have this change between colonial powers kind of controlling oil to sovereign dictatorships controlling oil so in the fifties and sixties. You have this thing called the seven sisters. So these were like a handful of western Oil conglomerates that could really kind of determine the price of oil Through kind of a colonialist practices so the these folks were essentially kind of a kind of thrown out slash They lost their power to nations like saudi arabia. Qatar etcetera In the sixties and by the early seventies this opec this kind of association of oil producing countries Really really had a lot of leverage and power whereas they didn't before like when countries tried to previously like get power over the west Like when mexico tried to do this and when tried to do this like they got wrecked so this was kind of like a historic shift where these oil countries could actually hold a lot of leverage in power so in seventy three when the us supported israel in the yom kippur war At the end we had put like a lot of pressure on the Basically the whole developing world through our agricultural policies as a response arab nations decided to both like jack up the price of oil by four x and announced an embargo on the united states. So you had oil kind of going from like two dollars a barrel where it was for like a long time to ten eleven twelve dollars a barrel now. This created an enormous flow of cash for the saudis and the opec nations. This was a historic moment because it was so much money Essentially the opec ran a surplus in the rest of the world ran a net deficit. I mean i can't stress how much the just how much money came into the coffers of these arab regimes so basically kissinger and nixon in the us and the new treasury secretary simon They were like what do we do. How do we kinda save this. How do we prolong dollar a gemini. How do we get people to continue to demand and by news the dollar. This was their dilemma. And the and the petrodollar was like the solution. The petrodollar was like their mechanism. For for what how they would solve this issue. So by the end of that year seventy three the dollar had actually lost twenty percent of its value instead of top currencies and people called this like a peacetime redistribution of global wealth. On a scale that had never been seen in living memory so again all oil shifting from other countries to opec Give another data point in four. The oil exporters had an account surplus seventy billion up from seven year. Before in the thing is they couldn't this wealth they were getting. They couldn't. It was so much wealth they could spend it all so there was like this mutual dilemma. Where like the saudis in the oil states didn't know what to do with the money and the us had a need for people to buy. its debt. so through a bunch of meetings is seventy four and seventy five kissinger and nixon and william simon treasury secretary basically figured out like a like a deal like we may be would call it a pact with the devil given given given the saudis Proclivity for human rights violations tyranny Later in history kind of destroying other nations and things like that but essentially simon kissinger said Hey end sa- quote from simon if opec nations put a large amount of their accumulated funds into investment. In this country. This was a way of saving. The day is the other way to save. The day would be if the american public spent less than saved more and that was not going to happen with nixon facing impeachment So the ideas they were like. We need to get other nations to finance our debt. Because like we're not going to do with raising taxes. There's no way so you know. Essentially the deal was In the petrodollar system That these these opec nations were earning that they would. They would not only like force the sale of oil to be in dollars So we'll all oil sales were like now denominated in dollars but they would take the earnings in they would actually buy. Us debt with the prophets. And this is what we call petrodollar. Recycling and this mechanism really saved a dollar gemini. I i think it would be thesis It wasn't necessarily like a market decision. Would be the other thing i would just like. Try to kind of hammer home like these. These this was all ironed out through like secret deals. Like you know. The saudis could have just kinda pursued a broader portfolio investment. They didn't have to go so heavy on. us debt. They didn't have to price oil in dollars these decisions. They made in exchange for protection. Okay in exchange for massive amounts of weapons mass amounts of protection so essentially the saudis became non-market investors in us debt and the us became a non market seller of weapons to the saudis. So you know. Nixon kissinger simon. They ended up saving the day for the us in a lot of ways at least for us elites by figuring out a way to to keep dollar gemini alive and indeed. It was even more strong in the late seventies eighties than it was in the sixties in terms of the amount of kind of total global trade denominated in dollars an amount of Global reserves held in dollars and. This really helped us of course in the soviet Struggle with the soviets because through the system we could print print money to buy oil Soviets had to literally dig it out of the ground or somehow get dollars in another way in this huge huge vantage so so that kind of brings us the eighties there were a lot of other interesting things. One other item here. The euro dollar market is very related at the eurodollar market was essentially something that happened in the beginning of the cold war. Where like you. Nations needed dollar accounts and they kind of established at ways to do that. In in europe. Outside of the purview of the fed It was kinda like a. I wouldn't say but it wasn't a huge huge market until the petrodollar So the petrodollar system Really relied on these euro. Kind of these like eurodollar. banks So that you know the saudis would plough all their money into them and then and then from there either either get treasuries or the money would be lent out to like what they called. Ldc's or like developing world countries and. That was a kind of another kinda sad. Legacy of the of the petrodollar system. Was that essentially a lot of poor. Nations were kind of like forced to import. You know they all had to import oil. Most of the at least Now is like super hard for them to do that. They had to like structure their economy in a way to like get dollars and they had to ignore domestic investment in spending. This led to like a huge number of like debt crises in the third world in the eighties and nineties. So you had a system where the us in a lot of rich countries really benefited. But a lot of the world really really really suffered and Yeah that's kind of like the first era of petrodollar. that's amazing. Thank you for the explanation. Nick also noticed on twitter a few times when one of the bitcoin critics step up. You have occasionally stepped into the argument and raised the petro dollar. Before you're you're strong critic of it as well. Yeah i mean it's well we've moved on. I would say from like the first template for the petrodollar a little bit today. But it's worth elucidating these things because you know part of the case for bitcoin. People offering consider an isolation without you know considering what the alternatives are and the alternative. Is this dollar system. And as olic says the dollars uses this tool of us gemini to us to pursue political directives and Obviously we see that sanctions but it has these extra analyses and they coins. Extra analyses are pretty transparent. Anybody can quantify you know it's energy impact and emissions and so on dollars. Extra knowledge are much more diffused. They're much more pick. I would argue. They're deliberately opaque and the dollar have much more to do with you. Know this military adventurism that we see worldwide with. We'll probably get into later. In the episode they have to do with driving inequality within the us and so these things are genuine. They're real but they're just much less perceptible. Which is why we have to do this. Analysis of the petrodollars system. But i guess the the broader point is this is a very imperfect system and it pits. Us against its allies in many cases and also pits various social strata within the us against each other and so the dollar is not sort of modern asleep. Good for all americans in fact you could argue that this system as constructed is actually pretty bad for the working classes for anybody that dependent on manufacturing jobs for the sector of decided that makes physical things. And it's very good for a smaller set of sort of globalize elites and we can definitely get into that and expand on that. But that's the point is look we know bitcoin's not perfect has cost cetera. Dollar system is also pretty exclusionary. And you know causes these rifts in society that are worth pointing out yeah we should definitely get into that because there's a number of points. Alex brings up in his article. Kind of negative externalities that come from the system. Let's star nick with that point. Let's start with the impact on manufacturing in the us. I know alex in his article alluded to what happened. In the rust. Belt's the the cost of exports for the us and the rise of populism. Do you wanna touch on that story. Yes so this is kind of what we were talking about with the terrific delay. There's another phenomenon called dutch disease. Which is the idea that when export a lot of the commodity it sort of cannibalize other sectors of the economy. In this case the commodity the us exported was the dollar. So what happens when you issue. Global reserve currencies foreigners need to acquire lots of it in order to engage in commerce and this causes it to sort of trade premium to where it would normally be settling with. This means is that your exports are more expensive than your competitor nation exports and so everybody looks at charts that show things going badly wrong in the seventies right what happened in nineteen seventy one and cetera. One of the things that started go wrong was our manufacturing sector just started to structurally decline as us exports became less and less competitive and we started to run this huge trade deficit and again. This wasn't actually unexpected. This was something canes pointed out in nineteen forty four. There would be a consequence of the dollar system. This is why the sdr the bancorp was proposed. But we got the petrodollar we got. You know the dollars. Global reserve and so the us was effectively forest surrounding this huge trade deficit which meant the we would engage in consumerism and import things from abroad expert dollars. An export relatively little of our own. Which meant that. Blue collar manufacturing would be structurally surpressed and so effectively. The us working class was sacrificed at the altar of the dollar. And you know that's how really negative effects on society. That's why the us it's no coincidence. Us's among the most financialised of the developed nations and it has some of the highest inequality of any sort of ocd developed nation. It's a direct consequence of this and now we see the political ramifications of that. That's why you see the growth of populism this political jassem for trade wars things like that is because the dollar system does not work for everyone and we're kind of reaching a tipping point here where people are starting to rebel a little bit against the status quo. Thank you for that. I'm one of the other areas. I definitely want to dig into with you as well. Alex is the destabilization of the middle east through. The petro dollar is to specific areas. We can talk about. We can talk about the support for the house of saudi regime. The war against yemen. But we also wanted to talk to your bow Some of the suggestions around the iraq war which was completely new to me. I said he before we started recording. I watched the bbc. Four part documentary. Which i will also put in a show cause is excellent but as you you correctly asked me it touch on the finances or global finances and it didn't so should we. Can we stop by breaking down. How the. Petro dollar is stabilized. The middle east. Yeah ju ju just to recap so far where we are the. Us dollar as the world reserve currency was kind of propped up after nixon went off the gold standard by the petrodollars system and again at the heart of this. Was this idea of what some people call a double loan so because the us through its military force was able to like pressure the saudis to only sell oil in dollars dollars became the medium of exchange for oil at the. Us government could literally just print dollars to pay for oil and the american economy didn't have to produce goods or services in exchange for the oil. That's like the first part of the double on the second part. Is that all. The other countries had to pay dollars for the oil but they couldn't print dollars so they had to trade their goods and services for dollars in order to go pay opec so you know all the us really had to do was export treasuries meaning bonds and simon. Who was the treasury secretary. Is that this whole thing up. He was a bond salesman. So this is really good at this. And we basically got to sell bonds to finance oliver activities so that the trick here And that is what sustained the ability of the us continue running these crazy deficits that have gotten like even more intense over time in terms of debt to gdp ratio. I think at the time in the seventies it was about thirty percent today. One hundred and thirty percent so a lot of this has been sustained by By the petrodollars system now when it comes to like risks to the petrodollars system you know. I guess my thesis would be that the us has aggressively defended the petrodollars system. And you know some people. Say i think david graber who wrote debt said when i thought was quite quite sharp. He said that essentially he wasn't he wasn't sure exactly to the extent you know today. How important a petrodollars system still was but as he noted At least through the night you know the nineties into thousands. american policymakers certainly thought it was very important. And that's kinda like that's kind of what we need to focus on here. So the first threat to the petrodollars. Actually back in the seventies apparently opec nations. Were thinking about shifting away from the dollar as the sort of unit of account slash like mo for for oil to something called the sdr which was like a you know kind of like a keen bang course inspired kind of unit account that the imf were kind of run and that would be collectively managed by all nations. So that would get rid of our exorbitant privilege so in order to defuse that first threat of the us actually did a deal with the saudi's another deal where we got them kind of like into the imf on the premise that they would never allow that to become the world's reserve currency. So that's kind of how. He diffused the first threat to to to sort of petrodollars system. The second came in the late nineties with the euro so you had the psych uniting of a huge economic structure after the fall of the soviets. We did not do another bretton woods like the world did not come together to create a new financial system we kind of remained on dollar gemini But the euro. Really threaten that. I mean here. You have a larger population than the us. What five at the time. Five hundred million people ish coming together very powerful economies so us policy makers were concerned about this and if you read media from the time there was a lot of talk about the euro seeing the dollar like if you read any financial newspaper from like ninety nine two thousand two thousand one. This was like a big big deal like people really thought. The euro put a dent in the dollar. Maybe we'd go back like like bipolar. Financial system like we had in the twenties or whatever we found in the dollar will now. We're maybe we're going to have the euro and the dollar in one of the biggest threats was idea of the petro euro The importance of oil is think needs to be unpacked a little bit The first reason is so important is because It's not just the oil itself in the currency that it's nominated in but it's all the derivatives on top of it so like the amount of i can't remember the exact number but the number of derivatives traded on each barrel oil is astronomical so the actual volume of like oil-based derivatives is so enormous. So the fact that like the us is able to get all these things. Priced in dollars is hugely hugely helpful. At not just for the volume of oil itself but all the derivatives on top and then what ends up happening is all these other countries that want to participate in either oil or oil markets energy markets more. Broadly they end up having this sort of forced to do business in dollars so their currency pair with the dollar starts getting really strong so the second order effects of this are key so again at this point. You know it's clear. Us policy makers that protecting the petrodollars standard it is very important for keeping dollar primacy essentially in continuing to to convince other nations to buy our debt. We started with opec in the seventies After eighty two when oil prices fell off they dwindling in terms of purchases over purchasers of debt but japan and germany took its place all throughout the nineties and in two thousand started to have the chinese starting to buy our debt but again to to sort of sustain and prop up the system Where where are debt was so desirable. the base. I guess is my case as you needed to have that a link to oil and that denomination of oil and therefore broader energy markets injury abuse dollars so something very interesting happens in october two thousand saddam hussein. Who's obviously you know Kind of very like stuck in the oil for food program You know bad guy. I don't want to defend him at all. He's a horrible dictator But he did come out and say. Hey i'm going to sell my oil in euros and by two thousand two. He was selling all five percent of the world's oil in euros france germany. Un brokered accounts. So the petra euro was starting to be born right and this this kind of screws up the the us plan if this continues if the petrodollar becomes ten twenty percent of the us oil rather of the global market. It really puts a dent in in our plans to have this nice little system so it's worth noting that six months later in march two thousand free the us government invades iraq and by june. Two thousand three that new iraqi government is now pricing oil in dollars again and outside of a couple rogue nations. Like you didn't have a threat to the petrodollar system for another twelve to fifteen years and we can touch on that in the conclusion because the system is is finally starting to come apart. But i guess my my my case is that i feel like american. Foreign policy makers believed petrodollar system was important even if even if it was like less so on economic front they thought it was so important that they wanted to defend it. And this is what what. I think gray does a good job of pointing out And the us invasion of iraq. You know what other explanation do. We have that That makes sense. We know that it wasn't You know iraqi operation iraqi freedom. It wasn't for human rights. We know that we know that there was no connection to al qaeda and we know that there were no wmd's so we also know that the idea that it was like to counter. Ron doesn't make much sense because in the eighties we we were funding saddam to counter iran. So none of the big explanations make a lot of sense so today there's no consensus among mainstream thinkers politicians historians. No one really knows what we went to war in iraq they call it a war in search of a reason and i think this is a very compelling explanation it wasn't just get oil The us wasn't importing that much oil from the middle east. At the time we get most royal from ourselves from canada from mexico venezuela so it wasn't about the loot it was about the continued kind of system and making sure that all nations in the world price Oil in dollars. And and i would say that american foreign policy has protected to the extent. It can now today. This is starting to dwindle and deteriorate in twenty late twenty thirteen twenty fourteen stopped buying new treasuries and i think I think as grim as pointed out the world is sort of like been like negative treasury since then so they're sort of describing and the us government is now the majority purchaser of of these treasuries and the biden administration dollar privacy's still important but they're just not much geopolitically we can do like let's put it this way if the us was in its current state of affairs. I don't think we invaded iraq. Back in two thousand three like we were at a very weird like an apex of hyperpower. At that point we no longer have the same deal of geopolitical power and in the last few years indeed russia and china the other countries have started to do more business in their own currencies. And we're watching the decline of the dollar like yes. It still is sixty percent reserve currency reserve holdings. But that's down from eighty percent plus. So we're on the downside on the back nine of the petrodollar here Now i'm not going to say it's going to end tomorrow because everyone who's ever tried to predict the end of this system always has egg on their face because it lasts a lot longer than people think. Because there's a lot of inertia here but I think it's reasonable to think in interesting to see what nick nick believes. But it's reasonable to think that in the next ten fifteen years you'll start seeing a real shift whether it's to a bipolar world or multipolar world or potentially a world where we no longer have petrodollar as kind of reserve currency in propping up. Us debt but but rather maybe the bitcoin standard. I want to add to more case studies to this. Some military connection to the us adventurism connection so lynn. Alden has this great quote. you know. There's no shortage of odious dictators in the world but You know we choose to go. After a few very specifically and it's not a coincidence the ones the us has gone after so obviously saddam completely contrived war no clear justification for it Gaddafi of course he didn't try and sell oil for euros trying to sell oil for gold. And you know a few years later. Ghaddafi was dead. Thanks to a. Us air strike and local militia. There's another dictator that tried to sell oil for not dollars which was as he threatened to do it and We unsuccessfully tried to launch a coup. So there are three case studies of dictators saying we want to sell our oil commodity for something other than dollars and in each case. The us successfully unsuccessfully deposed dictator and there's dozens and dozens of odious dictators the world over but we choose very specifically the ones we've gone after and This dollar petrodollar connection seems to be a big part of the reason in many of those cases you you could also just one more thing. You could also add iran. Obviously iran tried to sell as sold a energy goods in different currencies and the. Us has has put them under a lot of pressure obviously especially their efforts to south india So generally speaking. Yeah that the facts are pretty strong here in terms of american foreign policy trying to defend dollar primacy and to bring it to today. Obviously we have this stream deal happening. Which has gotten a lot of media attention lately and it looks like again like whereas maybe ten years ago. Twenty years ago we would've fought it really hard We're just in a different position. Now and biden has indeed said he's not going to pursue pursue sanctions on the guy. Who's in charge of nordstrom. So it looks like the biden Administration is now you know sending some signals that maybe they're not going to be defending the petrodollar As much as they used to next up. I told alex. 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More casa which is why s dot c. a. essay either of you consider lit looked into what implication is of an unwinding of the pitch petrodollar. Eight it doesn't sound particularly good for the us. Well think theorists decision generally And i think you have to consider the class issue here. You know so the dollar and just more generally kind of us. Capital markets is the center of the globe and the assets that foreigners used store valley. And whether it's treasuries or you us equities that has massively benefited the wealthy us globalised elites own financial assets. The work in finance as we know finances. Become engorged sheriff. Gdp has grown dramatically since the seventies and so that globalized set of leads has been an enormous beneficiary of the system. So they have a strong incentive to keep it going. Us has this enormous ability to pursue sanctions via that integrated dollar system because they are the central nexus of all international trade so benefits you know relatively small sheriff society. Of course the american middle and working class has been hollowed out and You know a median. male income. Today is not enough to support a household. Frankly in the us and we have you know an opioid epidemic in the heartland of america. We don't have any manufacturer anymore. So i think if we left that standard and You know strategically devalued the dollar. Riyan shore manufacturing this country. That would shift the the you know the balance of power back towards labor as opposed to capital in this country and That would be genuinely very good for a large share of the us population. It would also mean that the us would lose its ability to pursue these military policy objectives via sanctions. So there's certain you know slightly disempowered those elites that benefit from their proximity to washington to the dollar system so it's kind of heterogeneous with the impact on society would be but some would argue that. It's kind of unnecessary move. That probably should occur and just to piggyback on that. Yeah i mean obviously if you look at these charts from the fuck is happening as has happened since nineteen seventy one. I mean yeah. Elites have been enriched enormously anyone in finance defence services technology. I mean just the financial sector alone in the. Us has grown from ten percent of gdp twenty percent over the last few decades. I'm so coastal elites have done really well gleaming like me. I mean so you know. This is something i've been at this system. I've been a beneficiary for sure But a us that's beyond the petrodollar would potentially be a lot less than equal would have a lot less sort of like financial privilege for the We would like Lose need to prop up these dictators again. The fact that we propped up the house. A sowed for so many decades has had so many negative externalities. I mean both gulf will both gulf wars became into defend them in different ways You know fifteen of the nineteen nine. Eleven hijackers were saudi bin laden with saudi and yet we never went after saudi and in fact every time the congress tried to go after. Saudi it was snuffed out. We've never been able to investigate them. Properly for connections to nine eleven And there's a bunch of other dictators as well who who who are kind of like propped up through this system then you have the fossil fuel industry. Obviously which has been heavily subsidized in this way. At in addition to fighting off new nuclear energy across the world in the seventies eighties nineties like a lot of these nations solid happened in seventy three. They saw quadruple in price and they were like. We don't import oil at the nba. At the mercy of now is these handful of countries we wanna be energy independent. Well guess what the us and the world bank and imf did not like that so we did not let countries become energy independent. So there's been a whole bunch of things that are the negative extra analogy of the petrodollar And and don't don't forget this. Fossil fuel peace the us the us military's the single largest consumer Will you have to really think carefully about what backs the dollar here so We have a system now. Where gets some know. The dollars backed by political pact. That has really like determined the way that capital flows in the international economy. You know a market decision here. There's been political. Pacts deals made with used our power An you know. The system is is supported by our deals with dictators. Our wars abroad. As nick has described very eloquently are increasing inequality domestically an- and this sort of reliance on the fossil fuel industry. So i think like a petrodollar. America moving forward could be a lot stronger on all those fronts and nick. How do you think this might affect other nations. Who rely on. The i was recently in el salvador's dollarized country. Something jack malas said to me Which is a real standard. When i got these The us is increasing the money supply. But there's no stimulus checks regional people in el salvador. So do you. Do you think this might lead to dollarized. Countries may be moving the dollar themselves or do you think it would just Create a more stable. Deliver them domestically. What's interesting is. There's this odd tension because on the one hand. I'm very critical. Federal reserve policy but on the other hand dollarisation as a solution to Monetary failure in emerging markets is often a great solution and one that i completely advocate for him. So the federal reserve as you know as unstable In its mandate as it may be still achieves monetary stability that far outstrips in much of the developing world. And i would say. The dollarisation happens too infrequently i would actually advocate for tap and much more That said the federal reserve has has these tears. It's got this kind of hierarchy with the central banks that has a swap line remains with on. So they do exercise political discretion in terms of sort of who has access to sort of us-based money who has privilege access to that system. And who doesn't it's going to be interesting to see if we have another devaluation seventies style inflation and devaluation and the dollar. Whether these dollarized countries choose to stay on the dollar standard oddly enough i believe that you know the cryptocurrency industry Which makes coppell incredibly liquid and accessible globally in particular stable coins dollars has been a tool which projects the dollar out too many of these emerging markets with sort of net. Good facts right. I mean you give someone the choice. Between trina rapidly depreciation depreciating currency in the dollar other going to opt for the dollar a significant percentage of the time. Let me tell you something interesting. Sorry to interject. So i've been fortunate enough to travel all over the world doing this podcast and i've been to non dollar countries where they still won the dollar so i was out in cambodia And they wanted the dollar. They didn't want the the local currency they also another thing. I've noticed they won't be able to take any notes which crumbled got has imbalance a side point but interestingly when i was in el salvador and i was in l. sante when i tried to pay with the dollar. A people actually asking for bitcoin. So you see the hierarchy of hardness right fan bhutia cambodia some dollarized with the un mission in the ninety s. I believe so that brought in a huge plex dollars. And so you have these semi partially dollarized. Societies like cambodia but also vidor is a sort of ratify. The dollarisation right. Yeah we could be very well. Moving to is kind of like a system. Where as you're watching starting to happen peter. Bitcoin may become the ultimate monetary. Good at the very top of the money hierarchy and it may be held by a lot of governments. But the difference here and it's worth dwelling on gold was captured. As nick pointed out like by the thirties forties i mean gold had been captured. Domestically in the us it had been stolen and excavated from developing countries by colonial powers and it had ultimately been centralized in the hands of largely the us government by the forties fifties and sixties aucoin. It is not as easily confiscated. I mean there's a reason why you chose able fifth As his or her birthday. Or whatever i mean this person who designed the system was thinking about six zero two and was thinking about the centralization and capture of gold they designed a system whereby you know the asset was invisible. It could teleport it could be at signing device could be kind of like broken apart and diversified so. I think we have different. We have another shot here to create a new system where the ultimate monetary good is is less centralized unless confiscate able. I guess what it could look like. It's kind of like bretton woods kinda system where you may actually have the dollar and a handful of the currency still really powerful. But they're like of pegged to bitcoin. At some rate. I mean that. That's one possibility i suppose And that gives like developing countries huge bonus. Now if they can they can realize this before others. They can start mining bitcoin. They can start attracting. Bitcoin companies in and and they can get a leg up in the new world economy. So i think it's really important for people to think about what could happen over the next few decades and even if you assign a chance of the bitcoin standard like a you know five percent You should be thinking about that five percent chance and as a policymaker as some running country etc so as we sit here. No one knows what's going to happen post dollar. I personally think it'll be good for the united states. I mean yes our worst fair state and and some of our really extravagant welfare that we pay out at a very inefficient rate will have to decrease but some experts will go up you know if the dollar becomes weaker. We'll be able to sell more into the rest of the world. I think you already seeing that with supply chains. You know coming back to our country. Hopefully we won't have to rely on communist countries to to create like medicines that we need and things like that. So i mean. I think there's a good case to be made here that moving to this set standard the. Us dollar doesn't have this exorbitant privilege but is just one of many currencies may be a more desirable one but sort of underpinned by bitcoin is like a really kind of nice Nice nice thing to look forward to well. A number of us move into rem personal bitcoin standards. Anyway i'm essentially on one. I seem you both. Aw it becomes a lot easier once. You've been bitcoin for four years. Because you've had the hurdle of one having seen through market cycle. I would love to see nations move to a bitcoin standard. I still think there is volatility risk. We can't ignore what happened in the last week. Yes we can talk about diamond hands etc but still has to make people consider. They still have to consider volatility. Do you worry about that too on. Nick do you think we will if we got to the stage where maybe more nations had moved to a big standard. We would have higher trading volumes high-liquidity and therefore the volatility won't be such an issue. Ivy volatility is the markets expression of uncertainty. And so we clearly are in a very uncertain time. It's not clear how the volatility is partially state-driven people don't know how major You know powers like china are going to react to bitcoin or even the us for that matter as we begin to understand that better. I expect that the market's expectations and hence the volatility will become more stable over time So if we do see central banks. Adopting bitcoin in their foreign exchange reserves thing that abates lot of the uncertainty right. You know then. We're on a path towards towards stability The other thing to note is that in the seventies gold was extremely volatile. you know is undergoing this financialisation process. So i'd say we're in kind of in a similar situation right now. We have this commodity which is potentially very useful from monetary perspective. It's inner playing with you. Know this very uncertain. monetary backdrop. So you know fix. Supply commodities tend to be volatile that sort of intrinsic to them that sort of the price you pay for the nice qualities that you get from that commodity. So we're also peter in this price discovery phase where it took you know thousands of years for humans to figure out the value of gold. I mean at first not everybody realized it was so valuable but over time an independently across the world different communities of people realize that the rock was was something that could use. It was hard to make. They tried mean it didn't work. And it's held its purchasing power for a long time but that was the process that that stretched out over thousands of years in. That's being shrunken until decades here with bitcoin. So we have this price discovery happening. Now we're now entering the second decade. Now you're starting to see corporation start to realize that it might be a good thing to have like radio coming out today. I would says or recently is probably interesting. Indicator probably pretty significant and You know there's going to be short-term volatility all the way up as we as we go from what two percent of the world is using this thing to ten percent twenty percent thirty percent but at the end of the day. I don't really do this as like a this is a very difficult phenomenon to stop. As as people realize that it's gonna be the ultimate monetary good but i do think that it will be a positive And i think that the petrodollars system is again not looked at closely enough in terms of what are the negative externalities of this thing. And i think we could you know as american again. I think we could be better off. Not having this exorbitant privilege. I think we could be more dynamic country. And i think we're pretty ready for the bitcoin standard. I mean america has no more and more you know infrastructure mining users developers. Like olding's like none of these things troll bitcoin. But like i would say like we we are. We are in prime position here. Yeah i agree. And every attack seems to be batted back which is good. we've display china fahd and energy and Elon musk those coin bullshit We've defended thirty thousand dollars pretty well. Which is the is good. But i guess one of the things Alexey you're looking out for his first. Oil trade settled in. Bitcoin will be soup interesting to. Do you think we potentially get to a petro. Bitcoin standard. Well i mean. I guess part of what i what am i. Hope is is that oil becomes less important. I mean like some some pointed out that a lot of oils value comes from the fact that it has this use where it's kind of like a almost has the story value property as well in addition to like its industrial Value and of course gold. Most gold's value is from its star value sort of monetary property as opposed to it some actual kind of industrial kind of ornamental value. So i i hope that that oil becomes less important to the human race overtime I don't think it's good to be based on. Fossil fuels is my opinion. And i think. Bitcoin can pull us into a world. Where we're much more reliant on other kinds of either renewable or kind of nuclear energy. I think it's it's very dynamic in it fits into that world whereas obviously oil doesn't so So yeah i mean. I think you will eventually see like bitcoin settling All of these like major in international trades any. Look at the dollar took over Gold as way that nations settled bounce payment issues and i guess my thesis here is that eventually bitcoin gonna do that so kind of as that. Settlement layer the cool. Part is though that even though as citizens were like again They were stripped of their ability to use gold in many ways that inconven- so easy for governments to do with bitcoin. And we've got like the lightning network. Can we've got ways to like do final private settlement of bitcoin In ways that that are really easy and can be done on smartphones. So i'm very bullish about about about this feature a nick while i have you here as we coming to a close you want to just take advantage of a recent press conference and Just a little bit about how. Bitcoin does promotes investment ruin renewables and the energy for that. We've been experience in recently since Musk decided to learn in public. So do you want to just had some closing notes on that. Because i think people would love to tell you about that so you know the great commonality here is that. We're talking about monetary standards which are backed by or based on energie except one of them is hydrocarbons and the other one is any energy source that is suitable and of course bitcoin as this great property which is totally distinct from other ways that we consume energy which doesn't care about when that energy is generated right. You don't have to match it to the grid peak times like the way we have to actually match our normal energy generation and it doesn't care about where that energy is produced and it's a. It's an interesting quirk of The ccp's over build of energy resources in their country in the last couple decades that so much big one hash rate ended up in china and like alec says about political mechanisms as opposed to market mechanisms. This was a political mechanism. China had this sort of centrally planned grid where they build a massive overhaul capacity of resources. It caused all this stranded energy to emerge. We're talking you. Don critique forty terawatt hours of hydropower in the year two thousand seventeen alone. That's like one third of the bitcoin. Networks worth i mean. It's just a preposterous amount. That's more than most countries produce in hydropower total so because china had this pretty rough approach to resources. Bitcoin cash rate ended up localized. There wasn't that big when miners have some sort of affinity for china and so now. We're seeing this potential. Massive distribution event where the ccp looks to be discouraging mining in china and miners aggressively looking to move outside of china. And this is of course going to reduce any dependence. You might have had on chinese government. So that's great and the other thing is that it's probably going to massively reduce the ecological impact of bitcoin production and bitcoin consensus because china has a very carbon intense grid. And so we're going to see this amazing migration which is so exciting and There's a lot of uncertainties where the hash bars go. But it looks like you know central asia russia pakistan potentially even nigeria. Certainly the us received this distribution of the bay cornell work you know the necklaces of production way from like one centralized nation too much more globally diversified patchwork. I of course now. Minors of the strong and son of deceit governable stranded added sources of power And i believe that the overall acorn our will get much greener as a consequence of this and so a lot of people think it's a bad thing because you know maybe hash rate will drop in the short term but quite the contrary i see this as an amazing stop in towards progressing towards this genuinely globally generated commodity which no single country has much influence over and couldn't contrast better with for instance the bretton woods situation where the us hub the vast vast majority of the world's stock of gold and they had this tremendous influenced shape that system by contrast bitcoin is as atushi says produced by the majority and you know it will now increasingly be reduced globally at stranded or and hopefully green energy assets on a global basis. So really fascinating. Time and an incredible. I'm incredibly optimistic about the next twelve. Twenty four months here amazing. Well listen to one more thing. Peter i just wanna finish because remember folks human rights activist. And i wouldn't be doing this or saying this. You're spending all this time with you. If i didn't think that that the petrodollar was negative for human rights and that we could improve upon it. And i think again we started with gold. Gold was very like You know minute as easily manipulated by colonial powers by tyrants. I mean it was very centralized confiscate able The petrodollars system. As i've tried outline here was was also bad in many ways for human rights. It really empowered a lot of tyrants around the world than allowed i think the us to pursue policies which it may not have done otherwise which were really bad for human rights But now we have the possibility move to this other system We're at its base is going to be very bad for tyrants and and you're watching that happen live partially with the chinese government basically having an allergic reaction to this thing That's gonna kind of deepen over the next few years as a autocratic governments realize what they're what they're playing with year so again positive about the future. Well i appreciate you both. I've learned so much from both view. You conway to get miami and have a beer. It's been a long way with this. Covert stuff We're gonna get to hang out and told bitcoin some other stuff. I wish everything for both you in the show notes But i appreciate him soon. Thanks peter thanks guys okay. Did you enjoy that one. We have few difficulties but we got through it. You probably won't know it because of my engineer. Danny who fixes all these issues in post production. Also the poor lad. He's in hospital right now. He's okay. He's having his knee fix. Good luck to you buddy. It was pretty mindblowing. Article and interview for me normally the software covered on the show. I have a pretty good idea about but this one was a bit of a history lesson and was definitely pose in a way. I hadn't really thought about before especially around the reasons. The us went to war with the rank. And i can definitely see some credence in the arguments. There's a really good full pa documentary by the bbc on the iraq war which i recommend to see but they didn't cover the finances which adds a whole new to this argument. Now i do love syndrome down with these two and this is no different and i hope you enjoyed it as ever. If you're gonna feedback you're gonna questions you can reach out to me my email addresses. 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Episode 163: Getting To Know The COVID Drones

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Episode 163: Getting To Know The COVID Drones

"Gamer talk podcast Found hello listeners. Gabor's GEEKS GROWNUPS and Internet. Welcome back to Council Drones Gamer. Talk podcast talking video games and playing. Never have I ever live right at northern Arizona somewhere in Washington from the inside of the war zone. This is season number two episode one sixty three. You're listening to weekly podcast where we talk about everything and anything but mainly video games. I'm your host Chris. And today the full crew is here all right. Let's start to show tar for what you drinking in. What had been ploy. Let's start off this week with John. John Woody drinking. What have you been playing this week? Buddy I am drinking Elijah Craig Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey This Week I've played overwatch call of duty modern warfare call of duty warzone and a lot of rocket league boys and. I think that's it. Am I missing anything? I think. That's it no no? I didn't know which sweet all right. Well we're going to move on over to. Miguel Miguel what do you drink in? What have you been planks week? Buddy Drinking Monster Ultra Rosa. Which it's not bad but I still prefer my ultra red What I've been playing water rocket league and then work zone. Came out yesterday. So played the Warzone and I love it amazing that buddy All right three. We're GONNA move on over to Joe. Joe What do you drink in? What have you been playing this week? Buddy Hora this week. We have Uncle Bears Brewery Wolf Hound Irish Red Ale local here from Arizona. Beer number one number two is going to be Almanac beer company boost coffee stout so it's a it's a stout with coffee being coffee and vanilla beans so hopefully. I can get to that one. As far as what I've been playing have been playing Call of duty modern warfare and I play warzone and rocket league. Eso Seventy six and. I downloaded this new surviving the wasteland or surviving aftermath steam company that did surviving Mars. So it's kind of cool kind of NEAT and I turned on my switch for about two minutes looked at the store then turned it off so yelled switch for two minutes and then if you call if he called his his name to switch Chris Anyway. It's about all I was playing. What about you? I sorry yeah anyways on my xbox playing Some Rocket League That was pretty cool Play picked up a borderlands three. So I've been playing borderlands three hopefully enjoying guys later our original crew the borderlands crew That would be fun Let's see moving on over to the call of duty modern warfare. I played some of this fun. Fantastic warzone game. We'll talk about it a little bit later but I put some more zone That was pretty cool and then over on my Pandora's Box Multi Arcade the multi. Cade I played some Tm N. Two Turtles and time and marvel versus Capcom And then I also played this other game. I discover his game called shoes. It's S. H. You use E it's a horseshoe game and I am fucking bad acid this stupid little game. A lot of fun Arcade Fund nece. They're moving on over to my mortal combat cabinet. I played some M. K. Three and then on my switch there was a huge sale going on this week and yeah I just played some games with my switch. Nobody gives a fuck about the switch so I will stop talking Joe. Are you ready for the news? Spare parts but spock mayor a parts. I guess too. Duce's weekly news keeping US informed and up to date in gaining industry corona virus. Everything's been cancelled because of the corona virus concerts cons. E-3 is now officially been canceled. Get tickets waiting for my concert in a month to see. And that's GonNa Get News Not GonNa Happen. There's actually a couple states that have The band gathering of more than two hundred and fifty people. I don't remember what state it was. Oh yeah that's right. It's this guy over here. It's this date the issue in Shane. Mother fucking Ensley. Yeah so any any gathering in Washington. Larger two hundred fifty people. It ain't happening so Go ahead my church. Normally meets on Wednesday nights got cancelled. Tonight 'cause they don't usually have more than two hundred and fifty people but they don't WanNa push the issue just in case I don't wash their hands or what. I apparently well when well depending on the type of church do communion or anything like that you don't want to be drinking a touchy air cops. Well Oh what did they give it to you in Dixie cups or replies? No the tiny little tunnel like shot for shot gardens apple glass free communion. Is it applesauce circulate? Just they should. They should have done like shows jello shots. You know the ones that didn't with the little fruit inside and okay anyway getting back to the news. E- three is officially cancelled over corona virus fears. And that was a that was announced this morning. The Essay still plans on doing it next year. So but stemming off of that which can be good news. Xbox or Microsoft has announced that they are still going to do their conference. But it's going to be online here. Who needs the and UBISOFT has also following suit so with Microsoft and ubisoft. The soft companies hall Since they're already doing this. It's just going to snowball and see. Who else does this Online Conference Not Sony. Not Tony. Yeah anyway excuse me good grief. They haven't announced any dates. Or anytime I don't know if it's still going to be the same day or the same time as that three was going to be happening so To Nintendo directs will be coming this month Yeah so they're in the works. Intendo is going to be announcing Quite a few new games. So we're going to have to directs in March speaking of Nintendo. Reggie fils amy. I'm sorry Reggie fill me Joins GAME STOPS BOARD OF DIRECTORS? So the former boss of Nintendo America is now on the board of directors for gain. Stop guess. Who Else is on? The board of directors regained stop Bill Simon or William Simon who also was see over Walmart Pepsi Company and Nabisco as well as James Semantic or semantic. It was e- over Petsmart Academy Sports and outdoors and SAM's Club. So they take their seats on the board immediately and Yeah so those three guys will be on the board of ten members for can powerhouse boys God damn by some stock and game. Stop Boys right to crash hard. Or it's gotTa just they got figure something out of the market right now. Crashing wants all this bullshit House now maybe a good time to buy the stock goes down a little bit right now but after the whole corona virus bullshit is over. It's yeah by stock now or if you had stock in toilet paper or hand sanitizer talk. You're rolling in and now article. That wasn't even intended wasn't fine. All right last article a fault seventy six extended waste landers game play shows factions dialogue choices and more. So this is going to be the redeeming deal C. Four hundred seventy six kind of like what the DNC was for the Latin latest deals. He was for no man's sky to bring them back. And this is going to make fallout seventy six. The fallout game that we wanted at launch. So it's GonNa be really really great. Great Great I don't know when that's coming. Oh they said April we April seventh. They they said no we want. Who What is this game that we wanted it launch whereas our own? Thank you know. Fuck whatever I'm talking about. Seventy six and the people that play fault seventy six hundred still playing fall. Six people's fault seventy six other than you fuckers all right sweet. We're GONNA move on over to the dates to monarchy ready. You guys ready for me to whitewash. 'cause I can open up this webpage take up your cell white demonic steets keeping us on track with what video games are coming out. Soon March eleven today we have oriented the will of the wisps on xbox. We have hidden through time tomorrow on the twelfth from switch xbox playstation neon city writers xbox switch and playstation the street cats tail on switch bliss bless unleashed on the twelfth also on xbox on the thirteenth might hero ones justice to xbox switch and playstation neo to Chris Playstation for And on the seventeenth we have. Mlb The show twenty on playstation. So Neo to Chris. Fun with that. We'll see who they button combinations to cheat on MLB. Probably I don't know I haven't played. Mlb The show in forever. Because it's only on only on playstation. I remember the first time we tried to play. Mlb The show and it took like two days for playstation. The low times ridiculous. Do you remember that slow is fuck? Yeah yeah sweet all right. We're going to move on over to the more you know John. Are you ready buddy? This is yes. Yes gotta put a little upper on it my God stepped down town womb this week not back by popular demand we are not going through the death match sixty four bracket because you mean gone by popular demand by popular demand back by popular demand going away never to return beat audio snape this week in an attempt to get to know. Us Better. We're going to play a it. Never have I ever game but I'm not going to wear to every question with the beginning of never have I ever. I don't WanNa say over and over again. So nip never have. I'm just going to say. Have you ever done this and if you have you take a drink? Oh okay just opened a new beer. Gals drinking monster. Chris Drinking Water Drinking Beer. And I'm drinking bourbon. Tito's I have Tito's but I'm not GONNA be drinking. Tea does not today. I gotTA GOTTA stay sober today. Joe Without one Jesus Enough all right. So have you ever shoplifted for the audio listeners? I took a drink demonic. Deuce IN JOKE FUCK. I guess we should probably make Say I have instead of drinking or just say your name never ever ask. You ever fainted now now. John No wasn't voluntary though three-point drink my mom's car broke down on the side. A high five and so we hitchhike. Don't lie Jedi left you somewhere. You deserved it. Probably was like six some random dude. Pick this up my mom and me and my brother you ever been arrested. Looks guilty crickets now. I've never I've never been you ever gone surfing job and serving. I'm turning the desert. I'm glad you made this game for yourself. I know you ever been electrocuted Joe car battery or by Joe Care. Talk about it. Do you WanNa talk about it. Was You did yourself car battery just to get? I mean I've gotten popped Got Popped in the house put in a ceiling fan like this is a long time ago when I used to live in California. I didn't I didn't have one of those meters that check the wires and I turned off the The the light switch on one side of the kitchen and then on the other side of the kitchen the search was on and somehow there is still a power to it and I went to undo the nut in hot wire positive Anybody ever gotten stitches. John Stitches Chris. I I got off the tip of my finger now. I've got stitches surgery so I mean by default. I had a garden hose. Stick in the back of my leg when I was younger. Oh Ho that makes more sense like a garden hose in the back of your leg during I was hearing the same thing. A Garden Hoe stuck in the back alley hose. Recive you know the one with the prongs that has like the two in the back garden. Well there's some that had a flat edge and in some have like the two points in the back of it one of the one of those things the League. But what about the drill? Bit Story first drove it. I didn't get stitches. Stuck the chunk of skin was in my hand back into my hand. This skin pulled out of a handy stuck back in my hand bandaged up. That was most digits super. Go you ever been hunting. I've been hunting note. I wouldn't mind it but no I haven't I wouldn't mind it. I don't know about field dressing the animal. It's a blast cutting off his head while it still breathing. Serial Killer. Tensions there okay. It wasn't he didn't know that crazy. White Redneck from Washington. That's true of all the things we're GONNA get banned for. We're going to get banned for John. Cutting off heads of animals Boomer harvesting sheet while they're still alive harvesting was still breathing and then it. I was halfway through. It's through its throat cutting through its neck bone and all of a sudden it takes a huge breath and it's like no no hey was scared the crap out of me. Zillur and I would do it again. Hold on harvesting sheep. Does that count as hunting? I didn't say I have been hunting hunting. I didn't see I have dressed sheep with what skirts dresses. Maybe anybody ever gone. Vegan black now. You're now then he ever bungee jumped. Now nobody's you. Nope no fuck that. Never have a new anybody ever written on animal. I've ridden a horse on a horse at the fair count and my dog in two chickens animal. Yeah what'd you do to your dog. Chris no I didn't ride my dog. Are the two chickens broken bones? Done Trash compactor story shotgun. John just trans trying to get through. Okay so was downtown at the bars rain. Piss you know Piss me off. I punched the trash compactor. And dented the shit out of it and felt immortal after doing that so I punched a brick wall broke my hand. It's a pretty good dent too. I thought it was. It was quite. Yeah it wasn't like a little tiny thing. It was now look like a car. It was damaged I have to respond a monkey real quick now muggy. You dumb ass. It's called hiking if you go hunting and don't kill anything hiking with a gun so fuck you. Dinan dashed note. That is just rude. Don't do it shifted to up. The I've told you get through a rocket may US air. I was drinking a beer and I got over ambitious and went to put the beer in my mouth. Pop me in the tooth while the bottle off my gosh trying to get the corona virus before it was you know anyway. Scuba diving NOPE NOPE nope skew. Actual Scuba diving is skew. I've worn to ask. Cba BUT NOT SCUBA DIVING SNORKELING SCUBA. Okay yes nope ruined somebody else's vacation now. Joe Perhaps would you joe wife and I had Planned on going to Vegas move. Spent a ton of money on the IP tickets. And I ended up getting the stomach flu and this was her first time Going to Vegas like as an adult and I got. I got the stomach flu and was shitting and throwing up and stuff so we didn't get to do anything was that for was that for that was for her birthday. I think wasn't it? Didn't you go to a show though or some was we? We did end up going to the lemon group right Yes we went to the Blue Blue Mag which is weird because we sat in the front and we had the ponchos and my stomach was fine the whole show and then we left and I was like all right. My stomach is okay and then we ended up going to the Knights of the round which is the night show at excalibur and we ate like you know the whole Turkey legs and the potatoes and everything. My stomach was fine that night then. The next day we went home in on the ride home from Vegas to flagstaff. We had to stop a few times because it was like liquid shits so then I would never eat at Scott's Chicago style just going to say that the Scots Pizza fucked up place. All right. Miguel how did you ruin? Somebody's vacation. Actually I don't think I can't think of you don't know at Nag clearly. Didn't jumped from a roof. Oh Joe I didn't jump. Almost fell from roof. Does that count? Well you said almost your own. Those fell lying also almost implies that you didn't fall off you said. Almost I thought you said jumped off a roof job. Did you jump off a roof? I did Chris. Did you jump off a roof and then jump almost fell off a roof? Did you fall off a roof? It was funny though it was did not follow that rule. Now I did not okay. I jumped off of a one story roof onto a trampoline. I jumped off of a one story roof into a humongous of snow. Oh Nice cheating on a test. John Spent so long. I don't even remember. I probably have remember. I probably have cheated pregnancy. Test count cheap. Technically Ryton seacrest Jelly. You're not cheating as immune is gonNA come out negative for you no matter what no. We're Willett not caught cheating. No not caught cheating on a test Warren glasses with fake lenses. Joe Fake Lenses. See See these prescription without prescriptions. So of these lenses right here were not prescription so if you wear glasses because you like how. It looked to wear glasses. Sunglasses aren't now doesn't count I. Why warm for a day. Firday stolen something from a restaurant. Joe Dug a hole sauce. Cups gear have a buffalo wild wings. Cup Still Salt Shaker Krona bottle back in the day from a bar. What was the places that had the like they would give you that? Little mini cast iron skillet with desert. I fucking thing in the takeout box in this home. Karaoke by choice. John Chris my way forced. That'd be really drunk to enjoy Karaoke. Yes yes yeah. I was really drunk and I was like it was country music. Oh God I was there with you on that one. We all singing all and Chris Granny's. Yeah Polio's places. Yes yes my God. That was rough day thrown up on a roller coaster dam. There's a lot of throw up stores with me but not on a roller coaster Fallen in a hole deeper than I was tall. Joey Joe Snow team. Well I technically you. Didn't you didn't fall it wasn't it wasn't a whole so I was like on top of a snow mound and I fell through and the snow was like taller than me. He could get onto like mad to get out and I couldn't. We had the home out. it was funny as fuck. We're going to leave. That counts. I think casting a drink of your okay. I'll drink you. I'm done with my whiskey and It's not going well. His eyes are concerned. Is that why you're filtering? What is the way? I'm kind of like they're seventy questions. I'm going filtering. The ones that are worth asking listeners. We're not doing seventy sorry. I'm I'm filtering. Amari to fifty made money by performing on the street scene. An alligator or crocodile in the wild now in the wild should not at the zoo or about somebody's shoes. Would that count caters? Some gators in the wild. You know that I remember but I may have seen one on the golf course at my grandma's house when I was like six but and might be measured remembering that. Do you consider thing to do with a wooden hand. Maybe now know was in Florida. Do you consider farts of the everglades that are like parks wild? Yes okay. Well then yes but if it's a wild anyway whatever it's not a new age pitcher Patter K. Ever had a surprise party thrown for you. Joe Yes Chris. Nolan loves this John. I don't think my wife could throw surprise party for me for life depended on it. She's not very good at being surprising. Sorry generally I'm pretty good at Sniffen stuff out. Never right harmless joke. Oh I don't sniff that out why God never ever had a crush on a friend's parent friend. Who not a crash there now. She's hot but now I've just think like high school talk about. I'll say Joe Joe. My boyfriend had a hawk okay. That's fair have you ever thrown something at indy or TV or computer screen basically. Have you ever done this rage? Quick you mean the opposite. The rage quit but thrown something in the broken the TV or no. No no no. I'm not like that Saints Fan. That's all over the Internet where he has it on top of the dresser. You see that one he punches. He's a man. When the Rams beat the saints anybody ever taken food out of a trash. Gandhi Knit Joe. Chris tiered share cured. Shared those at home. Don't it was at my House? Kids through the food away but they put it put it down to where the plate was facing up in. The food was touching anything. So it's like don't throw that shit away like half a hamburger so I took it out so mine was forced I was. I went to a private school when I was younger. Catholic school and none saw me throw away my food and she made me take it out of the trash and finish my food and yeah we left that school and he just loves you. Yes Jesus Christ said anybody. Who's hair on fire on purpose on purpose now army account? It's his hair since somebody Gal. I've set my own hair on fire to Tim. Analysis hair around the few ever had a bad fall because you were walking in texting now not walking texting. When I've had bad falls you ever been in embarrassing video? That was uploaded to YouTube Y'All back in my day. We didn't. Hey Kristen Joe you know. Those videos were pretty embarrassing. Yeah alright embarrassing. Embarrassments to society are right and we did that willingly. Just think of it. We did do that well. We having taken down yet. Nope it's still there. Don't go look broken. Something at a friend's house and then not told them When I broken of Joey's I'm just kidding lights. Better go look talk not turning old school. That's funny now. I haven't I can't say that I have. Have you ever injured yourself while trying to impress a girl that you are interested in Nope. Nah You ever lied about a family member dying as an excuse to get out of doing such. Oh no one elaborate. That's the last question now. Called into work like Oh you know my uncle died. Of course this was after my my uncles died. So so you'll be. They did die. They did he didn't lie. I didn't lie but they had died like years. After or this at your current employer and that's going to wrap up the more you know this week now. He just doesn't work because he doesn't want to out work. Hey come on guy I work order and when I turn it on I work. Jeez I need Joe's job well. Knee Joel Jabbed. John's pay eight my but I also need your job with my jobs pay job. Yeah sure I yeah but I need my pay in Phoenix. I need to live in. Phoenix get paid. Paid here just amazing. Play Golf all day. We're not all DAY BUT HASSLE UP GOLF PRO COUNTRY CLUB. The top golf. That's awesome all right so you can the back nine all right so we were. GonNa move on down to our. What the flux this week do you guys have any what the Fox yes? Yeah and it's time for the for the week. What the Fuck Boys Boys Boys Boys Boys Boys So Joan? I went drinking Saturday and hanging hanging out and playing pool went outside. Dart and And this guy first of all. He walks into the women's restroom like out. So we're on the patio and there's outdoor bathrooms walks into the women's restroom comes out like walks up to the patio. He's trying to talk to boys. Boys Boys Boys Boys and we're just ignoring invoice with so many times. It like probably about twenty five was boy but he was like the whole like wouldn't even his eyes open. My back was to him. I just always boys had to be. Just keep saying it over and over again. I wish I was there so he had like a cigarette in his hand. I think he was going to ask for a light but he was just like boys. Boys Boys Boys all forget about that Joe L. I was trying to like. Where's he going okay? Boys Boys Boys so yeah that was with the fuck fuck off John. My what the fuck this week is going back to what Joe talked about the news. The Corona virus. What the fuck is with all these people buying a shift on a toilet paper with that GONNA do? Yeah so this is a precursor to like fall out. So those of you that haven't played fallout. They use bottle caps as currency. So when are when the this virus takes over and wipes out half of the population Toilet paper is going to be the currency in the future. Yeah I've seen a lot of the memes and stuff. There's a duty pulled up to a fast food restaurant and told them how much is food was gonna cost so unrolled toilet paper on his hand in hand it to the lady the way Tom Man anyone to some other store and he walked in with a Duffel bag full of toilet bay bridge. She's like here's the price starts on the stacking toilet paper on the counter. And she's looking at Mike he's crazy. It's it was a soap. Might Fuck to the crown of Isis. How everybody has really blown way out of proportion? It is a cold with flu. Like symptoms it. Yes it is doesn't currently have a vaccine And it is targeting people who are already at risk for respiratory issues but if the media wasn't all over it like this is the end of the world thing wouldn't be a big fucking deal. It's a cold. You'll be fine so my father daughter dance at my church got cancelled now. Pissed sucks dude. I think we still have a father daughter dance dome journals eight they put they do like balloons special. Hey what about all those tupperware containers bide your those balloons in there somewhere? New Balloons do some fancy little spread. How some music playing? Turn out the lights and you know. Have the boys like shines and flashlights around your own daddy daughter dance in the front room? Yeah makerfield special. Tell they're sending people home from Boeing? So y'all know it. Everett Washington was the first case. United States is the corona virus. I work at Boeing in Everett Washington. There out three confirmed cases in the factory of thirty thousand people. Caring firm can convert but what they're doing. Currently is all of the engineering They've sent entire groups of engineers home and said work from all the news. I don't get to do that. I actually have to drill holes. Aluminum menominee assemble airplanes. To get far I'll telecommu. They said No. I'll work from home work from that weak some aluminum drill a hole in it. Make accounting whatever. The parking lot is empty. Anybody who the three people that they've confirmed with Corona virus people who've been working with them also got sent sent home quarantine for two weeks. Pay The my. What the fuck is that? The person who actually gets the corona virus has to use their own has used paid time off whereas the other people who are working near that person. Boeing is tell them go home. Which means Boeing is paying them. They don't have to use their benefits. The person who has grown a virus has to use their benefits so like you got six fuck you all the people who work with though they get paid to go home and you. Don't you got all of them sick? You guys go take care yourself but nobody told you to go hang out with coughing. Chinese people would wrong. That's being racist. I'm I wrong long. Where the first time I heard by by my. I'm sorry what I mean seriously. It's like Oh who is it? The the fuck and health people are like. Oh it's wrong to show a picture of a Chinese person with a mask to stereotype the krona buyers. We're in the fucking came from China. China China Chinese food case in the United States was due to just came back from China. Tired Weird ten firm and confirm. So it's GonNa get spread. All over the Boeing factory and honestly it probably is already it only shows the severe symptoms than specific groups of people the elderly people who are already prone to respiratory issues so stock price dropping. What the fuck current affairs dammit China side of that Rembert refinance my house because the mortgage rates are going down to good time to buy me go. I know I know Oh. Apparently the krona virus does not exist in Phoenix. Because it's too bullshit. There's three confirmed cases in Phoenix. Somebody lied to me. Yeah three confirmed cases. Besides what are you talking about too hot? It is like sixty degrees there right now. Actually I don't Wanna I don't WanNA hear it risky. Nothing well we were. We were playing in the other day the other day she was like. Oh Yeah it's a nice like seventy seventy two degrees in. A monkey was complaining because his. Ac didn't work. It was eighty degrees. Like really got to thirty five this morning when I went to work. It was when I got Kim on your beer. Your beer froze. Now there'd be two histories go icy beard. I got another one frost on your beard housing. What's Fox risky doesn't like are singing. What's come and back and fly. I believe I can touch the Sky Q. About it everyday day suspend ways in fly away. I believe is open door so beautiful? I last night chattering risky and brought up. That whole believe I can fly thinking and you know how nick always plays a different song while Cheddar right his eight-game cheddars like this. Have this version. I have this version of overs. William Hung. I believe I can fly. Yes William Hung. I believe I can fly. Is What all. I suggested sugar rain. I just wanted to fly and then Monkey was playing Frank Sinatra with me other listeners viewers send us other songs that are about flying for rocket league because we fly in rocket league and also when we drop in call of duty we are flying so therefore we sing songs about flying too risky and she hates it in this greatest ever you can do. I can fly high than any Global Shit Chris. Yeah like that increased. She hasn't heard using yet a wind beneath my wings off Marine Man. Let me see other what the Fox other what the Fuck fucks mine? Was the corona virus thing about the press and also. We already talked about that. So Yeah Yeah. Many kids lost Didn't go to school. One day. This week they cancelled swim. Practice for allies. We DIDN'T HAVE TO BREAKFAST CANCELLED CHURCH DESCRIBE BUYERS. Things get ridiculous. Just shut everything down. Dude you guys are going to be stuck in your house soon. Go to work. John will be the only leaving man that's rough and I had what the folks but I forgot her name forgot. I just bucket for no. I forgot like I've forgotten like right when we started recording but I know I had some earlier in the week but whatever they usually as what happens to me Oh no others of what the puck monkey in his. No-one like seventy six okay. We'll tell that to everybody okay. Monkey monkey okay. Till it's everybody that's fucking plane seventy six when I log on. I like it. And they're lucky. Walk in playing Bach. Monkey monkey monkey monkey a bitch alad. Oh God any other what the fuck. No No. No all right sweet. Well we're GONNA WANNA talk about Modern Warfare Warzone for our main topic. This week yeah It boy I'll go last voice. It sucked worse. I hear the word. It's not the worst. I can get my impressions on it. I've only played like two matches Kendall But I think there's a couple things that I really liked about it like Going to one of the coolest places ever I mean. Nick loves this place. The Gulag showers. I liked that part in this where you actually get captured. And they pull you into the jail and then you have a chance to fight to come back. And you get that once you get captured right after someone assassinates you after this. Must be purgatory. It's a little weird but I like that concept. I do like it. I think it's really cool. Sorry interrupt this segment to breaking news. Buggering monkey put it in the chat and I looked it up sportscenter just reported that the NBA suspending game play so season is seasons over corona virus because of Aberdare buyers and Tom Hanks Rita Wilson both have been tested positive for corona virus. Tom Hanks oh no he's not GONNA DIE. It's like he's richest buck he's got. He's not GonNa die stem cells Rita Wilson Tom Hanks. Yeah and then. He posted a bag of a white glove at a trash can. So it's like don't worry about it. Fucking a white glove in a trash can jet it because he was tested. You know how they test is just stick a finger in your bum tunein knuckle. That's a sick nine six double your knuckles one to talk to you. Have to knuckles to first one. This one is not inaugural knuckle just wanted to be able to go watch letterkenny figure it out on Hulu Anyway. No more basketball the Lakers are GONNA win it all but anyway Yeah that's all active wars over zone back toward on so going back to purchase. Gulag showers pretty cool. I enjoyed that part of it. I thought that was pretty unique. Has Anyone gotten anything besides shotgun or a pistol I have? I've gotten what is it right like a scar. I believe really yeah. I got a scar. So they they give you more than just a shotgun and a pistol. All Michael Scar Scar. Don't be but her. Let's give you a handicapped but now the question is. Did you win gap? Now the question is have you ever hit anyone with Iraq? Yes I have elaborate on that. When you're in the log showers in your spectating and you're not actually fighting to get back in you can throw rocks at people that are down there in the pit to throw shit at. Does it do no it just? I assume it damages them slightly. I don't think I've ever been damaged by rock. The son like son of a bitch. I was GONNA win. I got stunned. I gotTA racked however if you have a friend that ends up in the Gulag showers with you at the same time. It's it's great 'cause they can tell you exactly where the other person is. I tried to risky didn't help. She died because she's not listening to have you'll ever given risky coughs before they are useless. I have told her. There's someone to your left. Where does she look to her right? He's in the building by Dr was never there. He's amazing at the directions specific location also. She's amazing teamwork because she just runs off San also she's amazing teamwork because she should see enemies before anyone else's ready to shoot the enemies. That's a good thing. Is You shoot at the enemies. How about that okay? Yeah just a distances. She shouldn't be shooting it. I'm fun this far away. They won't see me. I'll stay snipe me. I don't carry sniper rifles so I really do like the war zone. It's love shut up risky. It's a lot of fun. I I will say I think. I like the plunder version better. It's a lot like division where you run around and you pick up money and they can call in a helicopter and come in and get your money and take it out And nobody else can get it but if you get shot you lose all that money that you did. Point of the game is to get the most money within the time limit I enjoy that a lot. 'cause I like not having to sit around and wait patient enough than I think. Probably about a royale is better but for people who are impatient May Yeah this guy. Blenders a lot of fun to Joe. I think you'd like plunder better plunder was okay but I'd rather rather battle royale it. Yeah like did they have the buyback thing going on in the battle. Royal for black OPS. Did they have that option to respond? I it's. It's a new mechanic that as far as I'm aware isn't in any other game as well as the Gulag showers and getting back in like once you're done in every other battle. Royale your fucking done done. I like how the chances where you can actually find cash by back your down teammates and stuff. I did you a reason to stay around exactly. That's something they are trying to address. It's like people die in. They leave in every other battle royale. Unless you're with your friends and then it's painful to sit there and watch them all the way to the end and get a win you're dead there's a dirty video about it with a new guys right off. The Bat an issue goes on to win the whole bag. Oh I also like the low doubts where you can throw out your custom mode out. I thought that was really neat. Load out yeah. That was really talk about all the mechanics that are new to battle Royale Jones. Stop Watching Dick. Talk so you have guilty. You can tell. Never have I ever. Oh sorry there's a lot of new mechanics that I've never seen it in our royale which are awesome. The contracts the ability to actually have site objectives rather than just hunting people. And they get you money. So that's something new that I haven't seen in royale the ability to basically choose what you want by getting those Load outs that are drops on the map. Basically a care package. You choose your load out. You get whatever weapons you have set up The ability to get back in with the Gulag showers the ability for your teammates to get you back in if you're out The self revive you can buy a self revive and if you get down you can self revive yourself granted. Nobody kills you all the way. While you're trying to do it you can buy kill streaks and you a vis and it's just in my opinion it is a lot of new stuff that they brought to a battle royale system. That has kind of just become your diet. You're done. It's all the same thing essentially fortnight. You can build a really like that. It's fourteen. I ask where you're not quitting attachments. It's very simple Whatever you have on that gun is what you got. You can share all your stuff with your friendlies too it's not it's not overwhelming like blackout blackout was 'cause blackout. You had so much shit in your inventory. You're concerned about. Oh I can't carry this and need to drop this so yeah I feel like there's a lot of great mechanics at the added. Yeah they also the the change like Like you know how like every battle royal has a different danger zone or something like closing wall like this one. They're doing gas which I thought was pretty cool right. So they're using gas and like I know. Battlefield had a wall of fire and does other things too but that that was pretty cool. Yeah everything fits together. Well like you can get a gas mask to survive in their armor. It's nice to see the animation of stuffing your Bra with armor. You know so it's what I call. It's what I call it. Every time I'm adding more harmer's hold on guy stuffing my bro- But Yeah Joe get in this. Oh I know what Joe said this game. Yeah do you? Do you said it repeatedly yesterday. Yeah you hate it online today. He was playing rocket league. Yeah boycotting it. Now you've done. No I mean when we were playing it was cool You know when we got down to the point where I was able to buy demonic getting back in the game I mean. That was really cool. I did like that enjoyed that. But just the sheer fact there is so many people Who Was it was it was a you and I think L. or was it monkey. Monkey me I don't remember what it was but we in the game. I think it was just you would mean we go because I think riskier monkey got eliminated and we were playing and it was just like all of a sudden we got to a certain point and we just got taken out because they were behind the whole time and I don't remember running in. Yeah I don't remember. Oh excuse me running as much as I did in blackout. Well I think that's because it shows you where the initial circle is so you generally kinda just land where it's safe ish. Well no no. No I mean it's just like you're literally like like running for your lives. I mean yeah monkey and I were playing and we were like okay cool. We're going to go out here. Boom Snipe from a hospital tower. And you're like what the fuck and then next game we run out and boom these guys come around the back side of the House and we're gone and it's just like what thought been. I mean I would rather play at this point. I would rather play shipment than fucking play warzone. Jim J. BERRY. Gels gopher shipment you gotTa Love. I gotTA level up some weapons anyway. So I want to add in the fact that I do like the the X. P. carries over for warzone and multiplayer. So your weapon X P Because I don't really use a lot of pistols in in multiplayer so my multiplayer. Xp for pistols is going up because you know when you first run around with pistols and you get a few kills than you get x. p. so I do like that I mean I gotta give the game a chance. I'm GonNa play quite a few times and it all depends on who. I'm playing with and let directions getting and Top Yup well. No I mean have an issue with risky. You said something about directions directions. Yeah I don't know the the missions that they give you in game are pretty cool. You know either tea or you know getting chest but that gets you the money you do those missions real quick. And now you've got the money to resurrect somebody so it's like okay. Let's do this mission real quick. Let's resurrect somebody. And then also if you get a bounty on you it tells you the threat level which means that. Somebody is really really close. So I don't know it's it's I think it's better than blackout but I I'm yes. Butter says the only downside is as a team of three team. They did announce that they were GONNA do for later on. Isn't it fifty teams of three in a match? That how it is okay. I said they should you thirty teams of five. That's just I would I would. I would be down to thirty teams of five because the matches would last longer you know I think it would just be Cooler. And then that way. If you have those assholes that want to run around the fucking map and do Akimbo and shit like that. They can go so dick. I think we need to also address. How smooth this launch was. In my opinion I mean there. There apparently is a game breaking bug where you get a black oxen from your face after you get a kill for some people a black. What a black box box. Oga boss yes no but I haven't experienced that but it feels really smooth you load in. There's no issues with the map. Everything appears to render just fine John. I've noticed When you're in this scene where you're walking your team and it gets ready to load into the map it gets super jumpy and I'm not the only one who has noticed. That risky mentioned it. I was like I get really jumpy and risky said yet doesn't every time you get loaded. I haven't had that issue. I haven't had it either. I did have like a little bit of a lag earlier but a than that. Nothing Joe Somebody. Just posted a nerd community. It says we went from World War three to a deadly virus who change us for multiplayer zombies. There was something else in between there. Wasn't there no what was February. Something was in February. I don't remember all right. Where's on anything else Free to play for all platforms If you already have the game it was an easy download If you don't hear the people that own modern warfare got a little bit of a boost because of they have their load out some next shit that they can bring into the game. If you have free if you're just playing warzone and that's it do you with it yet and that's yeah you're not gonna be able to level up anything that you want to level up role unless you always get your You go grab your out every time and you up your scar and I assume that they have to level up anyway right. But if it's free to play they wouldn't have a load out with they can create one ingredient lowdown. Well I'm curious of. I'm curious of all. The weapons are mocked for them or if they cause I didn't see there's not a leveling system right like the one through one fifty five. It doesn't show that or zone right so so I'm wondering if all weapons are mocked for the war zone load out portion windows but then you still have to level them up and good luck leveling those up with getting like three kills a match. Good luck good. Good luck you need to play plunder moving over to plunder I didn't get a chance to play that. But what's the has that game work the dark zone division. It's basically the dark zone okay. you try to collect as much cash as you can and you have to airlifted out kind of like in the division okay but they also give you like these little mobile balloons that you can set like small amounts with okay. Yeah and if you find the people with the highest amount of you the people with the highest amount of cash are marked on the map so as soon as you get cash. You're you're a lot of cashier marked on the map of your own load outs too. It's not pick up load out. What's the point in having the cash? Is there a catch that stem okay? Point System Cash at the end of fifteen minutes wins okay. Gotcha and then they didn't they upload you to five in the Strip club nice very cool all in singles. Guess have anything else about this. New Update added some using. I love it fun. Miguel's all in partially in I have to say after going back and playing blackout two months ago just the way that blackout feels. This feels way better. Yeah it's the same mechanics is modern warfare. It's a fucking better game than black OPS anyway. Oh Yeah and you're not when you kill someone you're not digging around through a fucking bag all vulnerable you can their lewd explodes and you just go. Pick up what you want. What game is that Miguel for fortnight? It's I've always said I would enjoy for tonight if it didn't have fucking building so that's probably due to like the. Yeah now if they had a fortnight no building motive be great. Yeah definitely but I think that says as close as we're getting to fortnight no building mode because you're not worried about attachments. It's whatever you get you. Have your comments. Uncommon is rare. Weapons your elite weapons so still have your armor and you have your stuff to protect you from the zone gap this fortnight without building in first person unlike the blackout. You don't have to be like. Oh I need this site for this gun. It's just race on the gun which was an interesting mechanic but in comparison to work zone. It's very overwhelming. I have picked up a few sites while playing. Yeah I have. I remember the last time I played that there were sites and I picked him up but I don't I didn't bother to equip them or do anything like that. I remember seeing site picked up site and I'm like okay fine whatever. I've not seen that yet. I haven't neither me neither interesting. I'm not lying settled. Pitch all right cool. I think that's going to conclude our review on call duty. We're GONNA move on over. What did you say play it? Now play it. Enjoy ruggedly all right so we're GONNA move on down the random shit. You guys have any random shit. This week he yes. Yes Okay Joe. Okay Joe Joe Okay Okay job okay again. I I I went to game stop because they were having a sale by three. Get One free uncle. Bob's when you get so God damn it might fall. Seventy-six got off a star. Wars broken box bell was my with the fuck now. I remember what the fuck was. I actually got a told that I can't do anything outside of Star Wars. I got yelled at so. I got my hand slapped by the game. Warden Game One Mike. Mcgee Morton is my wife so I got the excavator. Armor fallout seventy six. I got to Nami Tom. From to Nami Israel g right in and I got the client from Mando because he is dark side so that one is okay And then this wasn't in the sale so I got a Christmas Mickey for free and I got the king of Shit and this is the big one so and it has sound I haven't pushed the button yet so I haven't opened the box but I wanted to get a rick. And morty one so I got the king of Shit Oh Jeez. Yeah but I was told not to do anymore outside of to what I've already ordered. So do they have a more you son of a bitch? I'm in I wanted out. I didn't see that they had was with the laptop of they didn't have you know didn't have that. They had the one where he has the crystal his head. They had the picture I sent you the one with joker and Batman. That was hot topic in the girl that actually works at the hot topic at the mall. She's a fun coke collector. So she's like I can tell you everything that's there. You don't even have to go hunting. Just ask me what you want so Chris and I were in there together and we were like son of a bitch fucking Shit knows looking at all of them and I'm like Oh man I don't need to do this. I really don't let sweet that you guys go to the mall together. We hold hands to happen. And then we get the the cinnamon almonds and we need to go sit by the fireplace. We we fight each other seven. Chris say that word again. Chris say I got fucking guys again. Breath guest girl breath. Kissed so yeah. I got my uncle pop so I got Josh. What's this contrast asking? Yep that's catching the movie big from that. I got this one for my brother. This was actually on Ebay but Macgyver as he likes that. Tv Show set a mullet. Yes from the BRO. You're from the eighties Bro. Yeah of course I honestly are. Yeah Yeah I Miguel Donald. No ninety days I also got this dude I order trooper and then I got the second sister or the inquisitor from the island and got some more shit come into but we'll talk about those later any and the whole time like he was like fuck. They have biggie and now he was like I want to pox. I sit him to link for to park or numbers. Spiderman and a lot of cool pop culture stuff. I like it too nate. There's Any other random shit you guys have. No negatives are cool I well. I guess we're GONNA get the hell out of here. Do we have any questions from our greatest fans in the world. That are on live right now. Oh Stop Kissing thereafter. They don't deserve it. I don't want guys for maybe butter's what it butter butter Stein Echo. I didn't there. Hey look you're not pixelated either. I have not seen post Malone one. I think they're doing like the rap legends. I have not seen opposable on one. Well this is not true because they have migos right. Chris yet happened. He goes yeah so they may have. They may have postponed. You might have to look it up. They did have Alex Trebek's and I was telling. I was telling Chris to get it because he's got pancreatic cancer so I don't know how to be worth anything. It wasn't a Burien so NAFF. We'll joker always gradients shitty Internet. I'm grainy to. I'm surprised Chris Greenie. I'm I'm not greenie because it's my webcam directly on me not going through the Internet but just going to mixer so I'm getting a new modem next Tuesday so hey cool which once you get I it's sudden Essentially they're going to get the nighthawk routers alien router. No it's a Modem. I have I have a nighthawk router. But it's my Modem Gotcha. Gotcha video is grainy. Because I live in Washington and it's the corona virus by your says digital. Now he's got the hang up by guys roll impacted. Oh GonNA die. Woche son of Abi need more over time when anybody's well you guys are going to get more overtime. If everybody's fucking out sick now they sent out an email. The president of Boeing sent out an email said no more overtime company-wide until the seven three seven back in the Air God. And then the other president the the actual president said that There's no travel from Europe to the. Us really yeah. I was reading the headlines. I mean Italy is Italy shutdown so fuck worlds ending butter. We have guests. Do you want to be a guest? We you can join US buddy. What you guys have any guests. I don't know we could. I mean if you're talking in the past yes we've had guests. But in the present you know present day right now obviously. We don't have any guests. John's a guest. I'm a perfect guest. He's a perm against I like it. I'm an infection that has never left. I mean we admire. We can upgrade them. Just not. Perma guest whatever's above that once he finishes the Witcher Birmingham depends on what type of guests you want. You know we had a game developer on before I guess on the episode with us. That wasn't a question. What do you mean you WanNa visit? He didn't but muggy means you did not mean to put a question mark at the end of that sentence. I was one but he plays statement. Oh I was more ochre owners you can visit. You can get in here. Yeah you've been to my House. Come on over absolutely there you go next to each other. I'm going to have a very I don't WanNA say intellectual but I'll have my brother-in-law here at the end of the month so yet to bring them in as he does the soundtracks for games no while he he played for God of war he played. He plays classical music But he played for Santa Monica Studios. We can it also yes. He's for video. He also played for Star Wars. The last Jedi in the rise of the bitch. Yeah man we should interview him. That'd be cool. Cool fifty knows about as much about star. Wars is ideas from what I understand. Yeah he's not. I mean he's not as big in the star wars and he's not as big into video games used to gain a lot but then he stop because obviously adult. Excuse me except you bitch us. Which is a big Chris? The most adults out of us because he doesn't fuck that's scary guys. That's really scary. I want to rescue. That's right it's getting to be a kid a man in heart. Are you staying young? Says you were a man? They just said you were an adult adult. Peach was on. Your face doesn't make you a man it's not peach Fuzz fuckers on your face. Don't make you man so so next week. We're going to argue about. We'RE GOING TO MASTURBATE. About is the fact that if Chris buys the witcher three for the switch and beats it does he. Does he actually beat a video game? This no Oh my God what the field said. Yes if he buys witcher three for the switch at beats it. Is he actually beating a video game by tomorrow? Because John can't even fucking beat it on a console. Ooh beats it. I Chris on the switch or John on the xbox. What looks like. I'm buying that tonight. Don't care just snuffed out. His hope of switch bitch shit talk talk array fuck right. He doesn't Care Games. Don't count about that counts now. Which Games do count? We've previously said the witcher councils like four games. Yeah it doesn't matter if you're playing on the we is like fucking pie in the Sky Room on Alexa. You're still playing a game now. Fuck off Joe. Have you played on on your refrigerator? It's still playing Sky Room. Yeah and so. You're associating that to being cited playing on a switch. Okay not again good you know. It's della gain accounts. It's just on a different device to different platform. Yeah damage on smoke. Call of duty on. Your phone is the as on xbox. You'd be no because it's not. It's not call of duty the game it's called you don't do mobile and right. Dila game though still mobile games. Don't count still a game. It's a mobile mobile guys. Don't count because they're fucking an inundated by pay walls so fuck no mobile games. Do not count so if we're talking about pay while Zamin fortnight as a not a game they're not paywall. Arkan like cell phones they are not pay walls for nine is just oh you want a different scandal you. WanNa play as Harlequin Miguel Give me five bucks and you can play as Harley Quinn. Oh you WANNA play as a stormtrooper. Give me ten bucks okay. Cool but there's no. There's no game play. The original fortnight was a single player game which I enjoy the survival part. That was great but there's multiplayer bullshit anyway. Cell Phone Games aren't going. Oh man skiing. I don't know how long ago that was. She hated that. Damn whatever Banshee said. Leave me alone. Maybe what did you do? Miguel no that was monkey saying. Do they have post Malone? I'm bucking around fucking around. Relax I I so I guess we're going to close this shit up. This is episode number one sixty three. This is Chris. I'M GONNA go play some video games or do something in house piece is John. I'm going to go eat. And maybe I'll get back on zone. Miguel I'll be on warzone. This is joe going to eat but I'm not going to promise anything I'm just going to eat and we'll even you're gonNA eat. I will eat. I definitely will eat but after that. I don't know what was John. Eating before the podcast started. I gotta I gotTa talk with the game more. What's okay check with the Game Oregon in just call them heard of the warden kick game warden buying Smyth award for Everything Yours Award in yours like rules? The roost binds just for games like anything outside of game. She's cool with but having balls are in her purse dude. You heard it here first. You should tell her to give your balls Fucker Jackie Chan. Six tenures fuckers reaching could just like fondling a little bit. Yeah give me a little higher that feel all right Game on game on game on. That was fun. I gotTa Pee Still Streaming Chris. Cajal OUT TALK DOC.

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Ghost of Tsushima Movie Announced! - Kinda Funny Games Daily 03.25.21

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Ghost of Tsushima Movie Announced! - Kinda Funny Games Daily 03.25.21

"What's up and welcome to kinda funny games. Daily for thursday march twenty fifth twenty twenty one as always tim. Gettys joined by two more hussein from gamespot. How you doing more. Tim tim tam thursday baby back but have a good very excited to be back. Fourteen thursday is kind of like the thing. That's keeping me going now. I know that day one day in the future we'll have an opportunity to to host alongside him and it will give me enough life to carry onto the next one. That's what i'm living for these now. I appreciate that you know. It's such a such a fun time always with you. We feel like we vibe. And i know that we buy because i am a man of fine taste. I am a man shin as they say. Kevin i'm going to need you to bring up this tweet right here because yesterday you in my opinion broke the internet with a brand new. The look of twenty twenty one. This shirt is everything now for audio alias. The shirt that you're wearing the hood and so the hoodie. As i found it on a instagram page that is called like sale fees underscore foods underscore something like that. And it's just this person The the i believe the threatless is threatless. Dot madison dot com. But it just takes all these ninety s mitch era like things mashes them together and is creates this new logo for a thing and is like the one that i saw. There was amazing. There's another one that i really wanna get. Which is like the acura logo and it's like 'n sync era justin timberlake looming over it. Just like it's just the weirdest shit sure that we all care about like. We love odie and like squashed into one thing so that one was that. Wanna talk out to me because they had a bunch of things that i like. No yu-gi-oh dirac dirac britney spears and obviously of time. This is good. I'm into this. And i love the idea of someone that just popped in right now or if they're just listening to the audio the here you describe it. 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But i want to get right into it because it's a pretty dang or of a newsday a lot of stuff to talk about some good news some bad news some news just kind of there but you know what we're gonna make it entertain. Because that's what tim tam. Tam yep always ready to make campaign so let's begin with what is and forever will be the roper report news that the oh you a while to get in it was like you came in a little late and a little weird like not as best work but by the end were build it up and you ended like vibrating and that type of energy justice league which you just told us that you stayed up till three night watch in one city to one sake. Impressive give give your three cents. Review of zack snyder's justice league. I would like to know vaccinated to just we'd into to deserve such from him but also it's fine You know it's it's leagues than li the theatrical. I think we highly indulgent. And i don't know what i would to see. Zack snyder's if i play list because is definitely trash. You listening to my dude justice to spotify everybody story number one microsoft is cutting the xbox live gold requirement for party chat and free to play multiplayer. Comes from jordan. Minute i jan. You will no longer need. Xbox live gold to access party check looking for groups and free to play multiplayer features on xbox news was revealed by xbox preview program developer. Brad rossetti on twitter. Who says multiplayer in free to play names looking for groups and party chat on xbox no longer require an xbox live membership xbox live gold members. The changes are being debuted to xbox insiders in the alpha. Skip ahead and alpha programs at the moment ahead of general availability. I they are saying. They're fighting features multiplayer free to play games. All things already talked about. This means that when the update comes to all xbox users will no longer need an xbox live gold subscription to create a party chat with friends look for a multiplayer game or play free to play multiplayer games on the xbox system. It's not clear. Exactly how many games will be compatible with this change. But there are plenty of high profile free to play titles on xbox like apex legends and destiny to that will benefit from this. What do you think about this. Damn i'm honestly like i is one of those things that i had to be reminded that it wasn't the case which is kind of wild right there with you. Yeah this point you just assume this is the case and also you kind assume. Microsoft already had this unlocked because they're so good about consumer value and making sure there's no barriers unnecessary barriers. But apparently not and that's not to say like that talk show. Microsoft is just one of those things that i'm glad they have it now. They it done and like like as mentioned earlier. I think there's gonna be some immediate benefits to a bunch of games like four nine. Like apex like destiny. And even things like you know memo's an have like a free to start elements around reborn. For example final fantasy is is you know you can get the the first expansion and get a chunk of the way through without paying anything and now you can do that on on on on not on. Xbox xbox might be losing xbox. I'd did that thing where they got all the final all the available us. Maybe it's not experts. Maybe i'm imagining it. But like you know those free to start style em emo style games though those will try to cut you off real quick here. There's an article from window central from less than a month ago saying an xbox version may still be coming for xbox so that was an interview with producer director of the right yup but yeah so that was a bad example but other games in the similar vein that you know you can jump into and play and it makes business sense as well because now you imagine anyone who publish those titles will be. We'll be happy with that. Because you know allow their business model works on microtransactions and people unable to get into those games if they have barriers like you need to pay. Xbox live to get into them so it's a good thing and microsoft moves into more platforms broadening out the ecosystem making their games like game available on pc and everything else mobile phones etc etc kind of streaming services is. It makes sense. It's just makes no sense. And i'm glad they're doing it. Yeah know it's crazy to have banned in love with video games for as long as we all have been to see how much they've changed in grown and fruit games to be as big of an industry as they are as mainstream as they calm. Because it's crazy that get into the end of this article them talking about apex legends and desk to the fact that you could play those games for free and obviously there's a lot of the microtransactions in money trying to incentivize you to pay money but to start the game itself is free and it's not like it's just some small little demo. It's not some you know like whatever the game's not really that good these are big aaa titles that are available to people that all you need is a console and at some point xbox making it where you don't even need a council you know with the power of the cloud and all this stuff and it was so cool that games can simultaneously be anti consumer and start growing to the point that we're going be seeing what eighty ninety dollars games at some point but then there's the other side but there's so many crazy experiences that you can get for free than this game pass this kind of everything in between and you know of course there's the forty fifty dollar titles That they released. But it's just it's really cool to see how everything can change and grow and it doesn't all need to be done. The exact same way and mike measures and metrics of success the key performance indicators can be different depending on title even for one publisher even for one developer. Like not every game that they make needs to be trying to obtain the same type of stats. What's crazy to me is looking at microsoft the last couple years and all the decisions. They've been making to really build the foundation for what this generation of xbox which potentially could be the final generation. Because it's just gonna keep adapting and changing. We've said things like that other generations. That hasn't been true but it does feel more true than ever here but they've done so much good and this is another step there but there still was that misstep last year where they were talking about raising the price hike of of xbox live and granted. They immediately pulled that back. But it's interesting to think that that did happen now. This is happening. There's all these rumblings about discord being bought by microsoft like. I wonder what story is is happening here. Like what what this xbox network combined with them if they were to require dischord and with them. You know getting rid of the party chat and all this stuff here. It's like. I'm starting to see a path where it's like. Yeah the discord thing to me. Seems like a very wise call them to really own that space and make the ship just worked even more than it already. Does i guess for what is it depends on. We just make assumptions when when you know people say microsoft in talks to fight this we make assumptions about what microsoft will do it and that means you know. Most people are probably thinking. They're going to swallow that bad boy up. Turn into microsoft teams two point. Oh and you know just you know. Pump it out and what we get is something that we're not used to. There's a decent chance they'll just buy just own it and do anything with it Because they have a track record of places and you know they. That's very much strategy for studios right now seems So there's my hope is like date defy doing like cultivating communities and ensuring that wherever these big gaming communities all they have a presence there. Undisciplined is one of the biggest. Like there's there's millions and millions of people on that thing and i think by integrating into their platforms and services that just means that they're that connection between xbox and being a communal place for gamers a stronger and then you kind of have that tunnel into games themselves. You know like now you can buy as you jump into a called. Some friends. microsoft owns discord. You like what should we do. Play a game. What should we play. Let's play something multiplayer you can go to game. Pass something you can go to game pass. And then you don't have to pay anything extra and you're good That's it yeah totally. you know. I've been enjoying these. The new xbox headphones quite a bit. And i really liked that. They have the volume controls where you can turn the different sides of the year caps from control for voice chat for games and stuff. And it's obviously headphones have been able to do that for a long time. But i like seeing xbox kind of trying to be able to be a one stop shop for all these things and yeah you know. Discord is something that i haven't been to familiar with until the work from home situation. Which now it's part of my everyday life but being able to pop into the service and really kind of understand what it's all about. It's like there is so much very communities on this platform and it's cool to see and like grad. There's so many fears and so many things that microsoft by them could potentially go bad. And it's like we've seen time and time again whether it's google or microsoft or facebook or whoever gobbling up other companies and ruining everything microsoft themselves with skype right but i kind of with you where i do think that this is different and i do see them keeping discord what it is because that's what they're buying it for. I don't see this as a mixer type situation. I do see this as mixer was. Okay we gotta do this to compete with twitch. This to me seems more like a. We don't need to compete with anybody. It is the thing. And i don't see them taking away the functionality from playing nice with playstation for example or something else i do think that they want to build a better gaming ecosystem overall because more people wanting to game the ease of gaming means that more people are going to be interested in service like game pass which every single move. They're making right now. Is building towards getting that subscriber number as high as humanly possible agree. It just makes a lot of sense for them to buy it if they do and then just carry on being is unjust support a and where possible just integrate into their shows. I would love to see discord on xbox live. And i don't maybe i'm giving microsoft too much credit. It feels like if they decided to make that work and then went on the platforms. You can do this to has how you do. It has the information you need to make that happen now. Feels like a plausible thing that microsoft off today would do because one it means that their platform or their service gets into more places and two it gives a lot of people goodwill around them and their place within the industry and their element of benevolence they trying to cultivate here so that will be super beneficial. Yeah kind of. I hope that is how it shakes out. If they do end up buying him. Yeah totally and you know when you add on the fact that cross play has been such a big thing. The last couple of years in. I always bring up like the fact that call of duty. Multi-player is cross play and one person could be on a playstation one person on an xbox and people on that is unbelievable like no one would have believed that five years ago right but where we're at now because of things like fortnight which are honestly bigger than a video game it's kind of is there's so much more to its. That dot is an expectation for so many different types of games not all games but so many different types of games. I think when you add that adds some type of better voice better party system to get people to constantly come back Everything is about getting people to want to come back right. Netflix puts out original programming to get people to come in and then they have all their library content of sitcoms and stuff to get them to stay and when you look at this. It's the same idea. It's let's get them in with the game but let's get them to stay because they want to hang out with their friends and just talk and it doesn't really matter what they're doing and microsoft is on some big galaxy brain shade if they were to do this because if you're in the party chat and you're hanging out your friends are playstation but you're on xbox that doesn't matter what does matter is when talking about the next game you're going to buy and someone's like oh yeah i'm gonna buy it and it's like okay. Well i get it on game pass. You know what i mean. It's like it's built in advertising there that eventually groups of friends are important and where they play. Games is important on the playstation three era so many people went to three sixty because that's where xbox live was where you could play multiplayer games and that changed and shifted your group of friends and how they played games. Then there was the shift back to the playstation for the next generation and that changes things. Where a lot of groups were splintered. Because they were so xbox die hard and then weren't able to play with their friends anymore. We're now at a place where that's kind of changing. I think the next step is the conversation around. Okay well we all play the game wherever we want. Why would i pay more. When i could get something. Game pass inhabit work. Yeah i think. I think you hit on something super important cross platform that is only going to become more and more prevalent and this the issue with stuff is the various between communication are still massive. Like right. Now if you're playing quality and you had people you know you got the the old situation that you know snow by kim on one thing and another and nick is playing with a flight controller on a tc or wherever he does these days and everyone's different things like the only solution. The only solution. You have is discord so you would go to discord. So it makes it inverted fly controller. Oh definitely definitely didn't have a choice together as one of those energies that out think that we need. It's scary ready. But yeah like the situation is like when you have more and more games enabling people to play together on whatever platform but the communication lines are still so restricted microsoft stepping back and looking at what everyone is already using and going. Let's by that thing is just really smart. Because that's saying them up for the future this is. This is the thing that everyone is going to use. Going forward when cross platform is just the norm. Instead of the exception to the rule. Yeah absolutely even tokyo like hey like let's say you sign up for discord now and you get one free month of game pass. Can you imagine how many people like that would hearing in that alone. Makes like incredibly worth buying like one. Even you've you turn turn intellect you get one free game a month you know. That's that's that's a lot of people who are going to be making that jump onto game poss- absolutely you know here's the other thing to bring up is like where do people use discord computers or phones. Guess where you can have game. Pass computers and phones on right. It's like the built in install bases there and granted. There's all the problems with the irs. And all that stuff but still there are millions upon millions of android phones out there. Like there's there's a lot more going on here than meets the eye Moving on to story number two the other side of the camp sony playstation productions developing joseph's who shema movie with john. Wicks chad's to helsinki directing goes from justin kroll at deadline. Sony pictures and playstation productions are developing a film adaptation of the hugely successful action. Adventure game goes as shema. With chad's to helsinki to direct the game recently crossed a massive milestone of selling over six point five million copies since july. Twenty twenty when it debuted neidl on twitter ads. Also mentioned in the article is that it sold six point. Five million copies since launched. The last number we got was five million. Sold last november. So still doing really well Helsinki alex young and jason spitz are producing through the company. Eighty seven eleven entertainment. And assad krisel batch and carter swan will produce on behalf of police decent productions sucker punch productions will serve as executive producers. Peter king is overseeing the project on behalf of the studio. We're excited to be partnering with chattan. Eighty-seven eleven entertainment to bring their vision of jin story to the big screen. We love working with creative partners. Like chad who have a passion for games ensuring that we can create rich adaptations that will excite. Our fans and new audiences said the head of police station. Productions us to help skis about to start shooting john. Wake four after directing the first three films dame dame days that is like perfectly pitched news this kind of funny audience and the nine crew really really excited to see that. I'm glad sony is leaning into their properties. I'm still my worry. is we have we. We haven't had the fruits of one of these endeavors yet to kind of the all foundation and bar judge. I think lots of us is going to be the first right. Well charted charted yeah. Yeah you're right But like i. I'm both nervous it because we don't know what what's the i'd like. Is this going to be a disney mobile situation. Or is this gonna be another with people's again. Yeah yeah yeah. So it's tricky. I'm excited doing the most with making the most of their properties to to kind of give them life and the thing that i am really excited about is my hope is the games benefit for like profile will. Yeah yeah so anyway. The witcher right You which are series comes on netflix. And all of a sudden there's a major spike in winter. Three game that at that point was five six years old I'm extremely excited about this. And i am optimistic based on the people attached and the way that it seems. They're kind of going about this. Like there is a potential for this to be extremely awesome. So much can go wrong and yeah. There's the lightning in a bottle of is expecting anybody to be able to hit him. See you is just. It's no that's impossible but there's also a roadmap built out for and it's like things can change and there's been enough video game movies out. There that had failed at enough at this point that have succeeded in some ways specifically money that. I think that this could work i. I'm not saying he's going to but it could work. But i do live that. They're going all in on it and it seems like in the right places i liked it. They're like something's. Tv shows movies. Here's how they're differentiating but playstation studios beans branded specifically having executive producer. Sucker punch having neil druckman be part of the last of us. Show all of that super important. You look at the uncharted movie. And it seems to not really have those elements and that's why i think that that's the one that i'm most trepidation about. But even we look back and chat or you're wrong. Correct me if i'm wrong. But there was ratchet and clank movie which which ensure predated the playstation studios announcement of them doing more projects but was playstation studios like it did have the logo before it so that wasn't that great but you know baby steps right and it's like we're we're going to make some mistakes along the way but i think the potential of this four playstation four these ip that we love so much is absolutely huge. And i can't tell you how excited i am about last of us. Every single thing they say about it. I'm like damn there knocking out of the park for what i believe can be a ten out of ten project. What do you think is the next. Sony either gets converted while i mean there. It seems like they're going with the big dogs right at some point. Horizon has to become up. You know that's the one. I think i think is going to be going to be next like what it is. I feel like it's a series and maybe even an animated series like a super high end animated series. Go to vote. Could be a big one but i feel like the struggle. There is like they need. They need to really be. They need to be like i. I run or sprint. Before they go in to go to war. That one requires a lot of like. I think that's going to be a massive budget thing. I agree require way. More like investment in it. I think they got a war is going to be. It's inevitable and i think that it is going to be there. They're big big avengers moment. If we're going to talk about us stuff where it's not going to be a one for one comparison with the mcu. But i do think that last of us has the potential to be the ironman where it's like. Oh shit is crazy a charted probably it's going to be the dark world but that's fine. There's some fun to be. Had there right but getting to the vendors moment of god of war i imagine that knowing. Sony's seeing the pattern of how they're how they're working on these projects. I can imagine that war ragged rock comes out twenty twenty two or whatever it is and is hopefully amazing and i can see that corey ball ball rugby like he is heading this opera at least a major part of whatever that movie's gonna be but of course all that has to be big lucrative than the dollars is need to be there and all this needs to pay off but i'm startled feel pretty good about this to making loops. Correy's got like history in in the in the hollywood. Well there's don't like he worked with you know george miller and mad max. And if there's anyone in the in the Sony kind of camp. That i was like i'll be like yeah. That's a natural transition to not only like right but like maybe be involved in directing to some degree it would be him but the one that the one that i want is born. Obviously of course. I would kill for a movie. I think a series. Like and here's my pitch and folles drafty and everyone serious. Yeah anthology series where you don't think of it in the way that not. I'm going to say true detective but like not like treated active more. Like you have a you have this in yang and the world of bloodborne but each episode follows a different part of it. You have one which is on the church one which is on the choir you have one which is a i lean episode. You have one which is focused on game and and it's like together. The stories are told but the about those characters and over time in the same way that you would piece together a story within the game yazaki game. You're learning about the world of the on him through the characters and their experiences. And by the time you're done you understand the cosmic nature of it all because of the journey. You've been through you. Really the thing that hits is the cosmic stuff. How important is to people on the on the ground level the small characters and the personal journeys the sacrifices they go through so you get every facet of blood porn touched on because you can have like a story about the church and have a you can have a ludwick story and see how that how that impacted de hunts and you know the the can go you can have a mikolashek persona and see. The madness causes and every episode is a different story. A couple of seasons. I'll i'll i'll direct. Hit me up sony. I remember a couple months back. And i don't think i was on absolutely games daily for this but there was talk about twisted metal as well right in some form. Sure i twisted no every time it comes out. I'm like why. Why do people why people so hung up on this franchise. I loved cast recently. But it's like i specifically the old ones hold a very special place in my heart. I don't know that it can work in two thousand twenty one. That was the episode. We actually talked about it in is games. That won't work in modern time. But like there's a story there and i feel i think it could be a cool a cool movie. It could also be as you for edgy sake. Come out grinchey and awkward but like there's some cool stuff that i would. I would much rather see twisted metal story then a day's gone story done right and i only because days gone has so me other similar things in that medium whereas twisted metal i think have some unique flair to it if they did twisted metal as a cross between mad max and a ninety s era slasher flick west. We tooth is just this like mad murderer. I would be into that like give me that. I feel like they feel like the way you do. Twisted metal is like you make a a movie. That's unique and has just a couple of little nods tour and then call it twisted metal instead of trying to adapt twisted a whole i. I liked within a lot. I just feel like every time people will try to bring it into a new medium like it's not gonna work. Yeah but then the last thing i to say before we move on and we talked about this as well on last week's games cast a little bit we're talking about what we think could is up to next and What we think next game will be. We'll be new. Ip we'll be a sequel stranding. We'll be hit his take on established i album blah blah blah. I have been thinking about a lot. I do think that today okajima is going to direct a movie. One day and i would not be surprised if it's four playstation studios. God i hope so and i. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a kajima directed movie for playstation studios. That's not even based on a playstation game encouraged them doubling down on kojima like. That's what it is. it's the kojima. Vision is a movie in the little hand. Yeah exactly but the wild thing is like a kajima. Kajima has so many false thought projects now before all playstation the thing that he could he could be working on so many like at this point he could jump onto one of those projects with what's his face from walking dead. Norman rose rita's norman. Reedus gail modell. Caro junji ito like he could make. I want to see him do that. And i want him to. Just grab those people and be like me. Junji and guillermo have been hanging out. We've got a horror movie coming out based on nothing yet the playstation you know family totally bad guys. I think it's going to happen. I think it's this is the official tim. Tam prediction for some day in the future. Lock it in our next story. A little. Bit of a bummer. Depending how you look at it but good news overall back for blood is delayed. Turtle rock studios is working hard to make bad for blood. The best game it can possibly be at launch and the team needs more time to do this therefore we will release back for blood on october. Twelfth twenty twenty one we thank our community for its continued support and are excited to share that there will be an open beta this summer. That's absolutely fine. I know i'm always whenever. I games too late because people are like. Hey we need more time. Go for it and i know game still has hit the high of left at for me I think if you games have come close. A few have tried including developers evolve. Wasn't one of them that tried and didn't quite. Hey i want. I'm so desperate for a game like left for dead or a game to hit highs for dead the i'm willing to look for this. Which is from the developers of left-footed if they wanna take the time. And i know that it's better chance of doing that. I'm down for that time making good gaiman absolutely. I do think that this would have been such a great fun summer game but we get the beta this summer. you know. we're going to be able to at least play. I've been doing a little bit more. Pc games so i. I'm i feel like i'm ready now to be able to squat up with with the boys for this one. So that's that's exciting for me but yeah just like what you what you just said like i feel like evolve is a a very ambitious idea and it was them trying to evolve the idea of left for dead into what at that point the next gen version of it could look like and i think that sometimes it's like you know what just just copy the thing like the new version of things should just be the old version the thing but prettier and that's always talk about please eastern 'bout all stars battle royale where it's like. Oh it's a smash brothers clone but it's not smash brothers closed and that's the problem. It should have been just a fucking rip off. And i think that with this they got something real special on their hands potentially if they need more time to get there so be it and i think that's very key that there's a date attached and i think that october great for this game. Obviously get the horror vibes. Get all that stuff going. But it's good that it's not delayed indefinitely and granted. It might get delayed again. You know it's the world we live in right now but This is something fun to look forward to. Everyone's everyone's now the the cyberpunk fear whether they're like are you one hundred percents show. This won't absolutely self when it comes out. And i think it's a good thing that more developers and publishers have the cyberpunk fair if anything. I think that's one of the best things cyberpunk has given toss not not talking to you about cyberpunk there's a lot to love in there But i think the most productive thing that i gave the world was that now. Developers and publishers are all scared more scared about kicking things out the door before. They're ready to go really ready to go. So thank you very much effort giving us all this to talk about but yeah with that. Prince of persia recently was delayed as well now indefinite and with that. Definitely for me on my. Take your goddamn tom. I really wanted to get that right and everything we saw. It was not wasn't making me feel good about it. And i love sensor time so much so i hope that they get it done. I believe that they can. I think they can turn it around but with this. I want to give a major shout to capcom because for the last five years campamento real real real bad time for a while but the last five years. they've just been coming out with banger after banger. After banger with rare exception and i love that with resident evil specifically they've announced games and then released those games like within six months and that goes back to six months ish but resident evil seven resident evil remake three remake. Now we're coming up on on village and it's like i feel good that villages knocking to get delayed. It's gonna come out in a little over a month like that's really cool. Yeah i'm i felt fairly confident. That vigil heads mark. I haven't heard or seen anything that indicates otherwise. And yeah. you're right. Capcom has been i mean like. Let's not house stink. 'cause they between say there are exceptions but like the idea of like announcing things and and having just come out. Quicker is so so much more like a enticing to me. And i feel better about games that when they come out. I don't games announced so far early because they need to be announced no stock in business and that kind of stuff. The longer they know around the more nervous. I become about like i'm a huge. I'm very excited for elven ring But it's been so long since we've seen the i'm like it's probably fine but his voice in my head like wife. It's it just a hot mess. And yeah don't put people in that position where they can doubt the quality of your game. Just be confident with it. Yeah it's interesting. I often talk about this. But i've never talked about it with you tom. But i'm a firm believer that there are. There needs to be different types of game announcements. I don't think every game should be announced and come out within five months. I do think that there's a value to what. I call unicorn games things like elden ring. Things like what debt stranding and final fantasy fifteen and kingdom hearts three and all that stuff. Were just things that we're looking forward to that. We know we're going to happen at some point but aren't here right now. Breath awhile to the exhibit one of those things and yet the with that as well. Of course but i do think that type of like understanding of a console life cycle and things that her long term and short term and midterm. That's what makes a legal system. The best agreed. I do i do those. Those kind of unicom unicorn games definitely have their place they give us something to kind of perpetually be excited about whole about but yeah for the most part you're right there should be different scales of video games kind of releases announcements and i think they need to be about us going forward. Yeah absolutely Before we go forward. I want to tell you about our sponsors. This episode is brought to you by door dash. Did you forget the one thing at the store. Now you can get snacks. Drinks and household essentials in thirty minutes with door to door connects with with the restaurants. You love right now and right to your door. Here's the thing this morning. I woke up. 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All the way back around las bottom refinishing. Maybe fourteen spot on march. I can't believe i'm so proud. We we all support you. The best friends are here for you but Take care of yourself okay. Don't drink and drive racing. You mentioned gay dude grace. Nearly guys go. I love you. There was a minute liking drinking drinking drinking. And then when we get to wear a white lives like oh no. Don't say you do something else with our drinking odyssey guys. I don't know what that was. I apologize but also shout to the boys would awesome stuff over there so back to this new show. Everybody next new story house marks turtle has gone gold very fun exciting stuff. We're turtles finally gone gold. A huge thanks to everyone on the team at house mark marketplace studios and all the other teams involved. We can't wait to have this out soon. And for every player out there to experience the planet of trapeze. That was tweet from house mark themselves. Exciting stuff man games. Go and golden twenty twenty one something. We're not hearing a lot of and like a house mark. I'm very excited for this house. Mark absolately piling bangers like they have been putting out buying his and then they had that moment where they were like listen. Nobody's buying baggers because nobody likes the bang. Is that when making so. We're going to try and make something different. And i'm very excited to see them kind of pivot into a new a new genre also kind of see how they they take the lineage and their expertise and bring the bring back. Bring that to life in a new way. I've seen a pair the game. And i'm super excited to see how a kind of unfold kind of almost a person schnapps dog game. We've a kind of looped road game play mechanic very into it. there's even some bids which was like this makes me feel like metro prime. It's funny you say that because to me every time i've seen this game it especially knowing the lineage of this team i kind of feel like i don't really have my head wrapped around what it actually is. It kind of seems a little bit of a lot of things and that's either going to work great at the end of it or it's going to kind of come up and be like oh man it. I really liked this element. But this other stuff didn't work so well we'll see and we won't have to wait too long to find out april thirtieth so that's pretty cool they said and i just want to update you after paired with the child was saying that he just hung up he was still talking. That's the kind of energy i would. I would gladly have the energy on thursday because thursday. now i'm like what is life. Make it to friday. When will the we can get here but if you will like them and just like seal talking on a phone to no one yeah. That's you know you ain't got you ain't the concept of time is a myth the stage your already in the weekend. He just texted me to me to be. I love to be now. Thanks figure that someone please go back to their stream and find a clip of him carrying on talking to tim. Well obviously hung up on him. Somebody like this is all over. I need you to edit together. A clip on this show like our side sided together sites. Please did on it Next and final news story for the day. Former nintendo of america president reggie fees may is leaving game stops board directors. This comes from ethan. Gok over at ca talk serving on game stops board of the directors was just one of longtime video game. Executive reggie fees amaze post intendo of america pastimes but less than a year into his tenure. The company announced it expects him to step down in june. These as one of eight other board members set to be replaced at game. Stop twenty twenty one annual meeting of shareholders in the summer including former ceo of walmart us. William simon and petsmart president and current petsmart yell james semenik quote turnover among our board may disrupt. Our operations are strategic. Focus or our ability to drive stockholder value. The company writes in the filing if we fail to attract and retain new skilled personnel for our our business and growth prospects could disrupt our operations and have a material adverse effect on our operations in business. Feasibly hasn't spoken publicly about issues at the company since he joined neither game. Stop for that matter. Ceo george sherman provided very little additional insight during the company's earnings. Call this week the first since it had taken off as a mean stock declining to questions provide any meaningful details what. The company's future plans that financial was wild. Like i i always went. I went in there. Like i'm ready to take hell notes. I'm ready to report the show. This show and they were like game is a company that exists. We hope to exist next year to seal a holy shit. Serve any questions. They acted like the whole. Like the stock stuff just happen and moved on obviously. That's the tactical move everything. Everything is functioning to a degree. We'll see all later. Despite broadly speaking despite circumstances we are fine goodbye. everyone man god doors condor rights says greetings. Tim tam reggie has left game. Stop less than a year after joining its board of directors after this past year which sought openly disregard kobe safety measures and stock market. Wacky nece has game stop hit a new low. And what realistic future does it have. Now thanks for everything i i. I'm i game stuff is thing that you know over the last year or two living have slowly. I've been into one once and i was like. Yeah i know this this place. But i feel like has the has the same kind of vibe. Where is it's not long for this world like but at the same time it will somehow keep hanging on in the uk we have game which is basically the exact same store and i used to work at one and it sucks on every conceivable level. Somehow like they get to the brink of collapse and then just managed to claw back. And i feel like we're going to get a few more years of that doesn't have a future. I feel like the stage. Now where i seems like the shareholder. The gave no confidence. I was joking earlier. Just have any questions and didn't really say anything of meaning got exactly what happened. And the result of that is. I have no confidence that gives a strategy. I have no confidence that there's an understanding of where they need to go. It just feels like they're just winging it day to day so it does have a future if it does if there is a plan. It's not clear because day by day seemingly becomes more and more irrelevant and struggles to find any way to go for hold within this industry. In a way it can remain present and meaningful. I dunno maybe start selling more phone. Call pops. I mean does thing to answer. The question are has hit a new low. I mean i think the easy answer is yes. But i think they're going a little deeper than that. It's not so much that it's a new low as much as just keep stepping in different lows and at some point all of the lows are going to add up to just be like to tell this story that man like when does game stop just not exist anymore and the other side of it is. Does it ever not exist or will it always be here just in some constantly evolving form a turning into whatever it needs to be at the time whether it is a fun pop store or more of a nerd culture clothing type thing because we're all here easily making fun of the gamers out there. You know what i mean. We're gamers gamers gamers gamers but the reality is there's a lot of gamers out there like there's a lot of people that wear the shirt that you got semion. Ironically you know what i mean or there's a lot of people out there that would wear that shirt they would see other people in that shirt and not get the joke. You know what i mean. And i think that those people are the ones keeping gave stop at business for the most part and there's an army of them so we'll see how this all goes i said assets. A picture of you could bring that up on those game. Stop start sending snacks yet. Because that's that's one of the things that game is doing. I hate this picture too. I mean they've always had like just a little like the chips in the little tiny things but it's never been a whole lot on hold on situation you know but this this picture tampa breaks my fucking heart this. The picture drew. This is a picture of a best. Buy the the physical blu ray media section so physical movie. Wow and this is as of this week. The new standard. For all best buy stores sub. There will be some exceptions. Your medication may vary. Your location may vary and all that stuff but this is the standard of what they're going with one. I'll one single. I'll talk about not long for this world. You know works. Man is is genuinely heartbreaking but also it will speed up all your the couple of weeks ago. You guys were talking about your route through a best. Buy much much now. That's one of those. Like fast being walked through a best by taking our god damn time look holding and look at it movies that we already owned but they just feel different because those four k and this heart of the metal box. Sometimes you have moments for you. Don't you have moments where you don't want to be fast. But because of different reasons ends up you need to be you end up being fast and you can. You just have to make you. It doesn't make you a lesser man. Just means that you had an off day. Just roll with it and go get back on the horse. You're riding on the house. Thank you for that inspiring speech. I don't think there's a better way to end games daily but we do have a couple of things we have to get through i. So we're gonna do that. One of those things includes the games that are coming out and they're far away. I didn't come up with a good segue but tab were happening. the official list of upcoming self across each and every platform is listed by of funny games show host each and every weekday as coming up now Us this time more sets down. I don't know why. I dipped as well because i watched the show show so i should know this. I was like yeah. We'll only i host only host with you so before we go on. I just want to complicate your room. I haven't seen this color scheme yet. I don't think and i am. I am loving it. This real now decided to try and match it with the kind of like nitro rifle. Vile i'm full on. Like andy cortes stand. I was gonna say the other would which ends in peop- i think that gets you band of twitch now so i just think about that for a second on my so games coming out. Today are body. Quest is coming intendo switch crash bandicoot on the run is available for free now on android planted a bit. It's an endless runner and at the end of the day. I don't think there is any that is more set up to be an endless runners in crash bandicoot and they do a good job with it. It has all the same mobile game. Bullshit that i don't really like of like something's just go slower than i'd like. There's way too much. Text bubbles popping up and i'm like this isn't fucking fire emblem talk needs to know all of this lore. Let me play the goddamn game. But it's fun and it's free so check it out and the tony hawkes. pro skater. One in to remake next update comes out tonight at nine pm. I abso- excited. Let's fucking go. Got to get that hundred twenty frames per second tony hawk. Goodness due dates for you nights. Glad to hold court on switch. Xbox april fourteenth total war. Rome remastered is scheduled for release on april. Twenty ninth secret. Government is leaving early access. On april fifteenth humankind delayed to august seventeenth and spell break to chapter to fracture coming april eighth with new dominion mode. Leak ranked matches and more while they said it couldn't be done they did it us Squad up yes scott up for you here from bj granada bernardo. Who's all not a question but suggestion for the must read segment of the show. The article is called asian-american game developers. Experience monari for my gen by kim about being an asian american in the gaming industry. I think it's a great read opened my eyes to a few things. I read it as well. It is awesome. Go check it out match the homey and it's really cool stuff. I dot com the asian american in gaming article. Did you see this yet tab. Yeah master. I mean like arjun has lots of incredible people but not. He's a great right. I i love reading his stuff and he really dug into their it. I opening for everyone like it's you're like you feel like your work and you understand this stuff and you're paying attention to the social issues or not. There's a lot of really interesting insight and it's really well worth reading you pay. What by mountain absolutely go. Check that out thank you. Bj daughter for submitting that and now it is time for your wrong to see what we got wrong today. Man i pulled it up and it was nothing and i was like. Yeah and then. It'll pop do and i was like damn it. Let's see bob. tim is correct it rushing. Clank had the police station studio logo at the start. In fact only literally just copied the graphic for the current game studio logo. That's interesting. I wonder so playstation studios. Are they going to use the same brand entirely for movies. The movie division and the games division. Because that's kind of cool. Yeah that would make sense. That would be like. Yeah that it's the. It's the nintendo seal of approval. Just like blown out to multiple things like he. I if people already associated in seal high quality games. Why not just take your movies. Sticky on some cereal. Chuck your neighbor or to hell. Yeah upper frito or too. I love in the chat and etto biologists saying is no it. Didn't it was playstation. Originals and cobb says fuck. You're right so there's a you're wrong. You're wrong live happening right now but interesting. Cool ought to check some shit. That'll youtube later. Montezuma says if there's an avengers movie playstation ip it's obviously playstation all-stars. That's that is not going to happen. And also so so many years down the line. That's more of an end game than it vendors. Why movie would be jeez. Biologists says the twist metal supposed to be. Tv show made by the dead pool people. Timmy buddy says now you're wrong but shod bolden kept talking and passionately talking about kind of funny after tim hung up. He didn't know him up until you acid was still on or hung up with started. Yelling as your fucking love him so tampa. This has been great once again. Where can people find you and your amazing work. You can find me just token nonsense onto tomorrow. H my work. You can find on gamespot. We're doing video game this weekend on masic. Hopefully and then. I'm also on the after dark podcast which goes up on fridays. And there's a lot of fun and i'm streaming pretty regularly on twitch tomorrow homage a bunch of people from the kind of funny community a bunch of best friends pin and be like hey coming from. Kf just wanted to watch stream so thank you so much to everyone who has come over from this community evans. Always been super kind and super nice to me. And i really do appreciate if it feels good to have that kind of crossover and it's always good people but yeah if you wanna watch me play games to more h on twitch you know we. We've helped game attack become the number fifteen most subscribed twitch channel. I want everyone. Let's let's help to more age on twitch slash more age become at least the number nine hundred ninety nine i'll take manhattan twitch channel every ounce guys. I want to see some subs. Let's go all my own. All the money i get from. Subs is going to charity as well. So i just screaming for the fun of it. So i am collect collecting up. The cash and i will donate that cherry. So if you use up what a good q- what a guy. And if you want to see more of this guy you should go to patriarch dot com slash kind of funny game games. Because we're about to do. The patriot exclusive post show. I'm excited for it. What are we going to talk about. You'll have to watch to find out until next time bye.

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