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King Of Pain

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I wake up to that show everyday. I like I like now she's telling her bosses you want me to stay here. You're going to anchor this shit shell that. I want George Stephanopoulos money Shatri said I want George to how much George Stephanopoulos. Make while. The progressive midget is stealing between fifteen and eighteen million dollars a year. ABC think about that money. These people retell prompters. My job is harder. It's disgusting. Right now. Gayle king is roughly like she's roughing it only making six mil you know, it's tough and our best friends Oprah who has about a billion. You know, she can't get everything she wants. But she was about to walk during all that chaos. When all the old school horn dog got fired Charlie rose last moon viz. Yeah. Those are the creep. She worked for and worked next to on top of that they really pissed her off recently when her her executive producer Ryan cadre. Oh, he split in December. After it was revealed, a his exit was mistakenly linked with those CBS those big payoffs, the bottom line is he was he was named a lawsuit which was settled, but three women accused the network of not basically, not doing shit stop to stop Charlie rose when he was hosting CBS this morning and also. Also him working as a sixty minutes. Correspondent he was constantly trying to fuck everything that walked by his desk. Don't let his age full you. And you know, I had this on good authority from an ex girlfriend who told me years ago that fifteen minutes after he I met her on a street in Greenwich Village, he was inviting her to see his new kitchen, and then he's putting his hand up or thought by when she went in because she fell it's Charlie rose. He's a, you know, classy journalists what's going to happen. What's going to happen? Put his hand rather than thi- her milky thi-, and she's one of those chicks who are not gonna go to thirties not gonna call network boss like Orion cadre. Oh, she's the kind of check could just looked at him and said, no, not me, and he laughed, but he got it. Now rose had a couple of couple of dozen women come forward with complaints of sexual abuse. You know, it's one thing for an old guy to come. Mm try to grab imagine his breath. Imagine seventy seven year old breath. If that's how old he's around that. Right. Oh, just death breath. Not good. I mean, I'm gonna be seventy seven one day, but I'm not going to be trying to fucking rape somebody it's gusting and then his buddy while Gayle king exempt producer cadre was called on the carpet. Because basically he couldn't keep Charlie rose on a leash. The first thing you did wrong. So anyhow long story short. Gayle king got really pissed when cadrone basically had to walk away from his EP job, and she was really close to him. So you know that news, and the fact that the guy who sat next to her was a creep and her boss, less moon, Bessant, even bigger creep that put her in a big position to get paid, man. And not to mention this strong rumor that the woman who sits to her left Nuoro Donal, maybe taking the nightly news job in DC. And that would be. Banish the human mannequin, Jeff gore who you cannot hire a man with that last name to be the the face that America looks at Jeff Clark. It's it's horrible. He's not good. He's gonna go Donald going to get that job in DC. And look take all that an add in the fact that she she kept calm when our Kelly was throwing a connection fit, and obviously birthing a million memes. The best one is I believe I can cry. I love that one. And Gayle king is now guaranteed to walk away with at least doubling her six million dollars salary. I can't take it. So basically and ironically, it took several guys several creepy guys who can't keep their Dixon their pants to put her in the position to sign the biggest contract of her life and one of the biggest deals in broadcast journalist. How's that for irony? The metoo movement is about not to really be swell. Forget king, and she has a lot of underage black girls in Chicago to thank. It's been so good. That CBS is now devoting a Friday night special. Forget king. It's gonna start tonight. The Gayle king interview with R Kelly. It's gonna feature interviews with both Kelly and also the two chicks were brainwashed as real clarion, Jocelyn savage. These are the chicks that live with them as well as some on aired footage from the eighty minutes sit down probably going to be an extra twelve minutes. You haven't seen yet because they've been running the shit out of it every which way, but look. You know, I know Gayle king took a beating when she first came to the scene because she went from everybody thinking, she was Oprah Winfrey's lesbian lover to everybody's screaming. Nepotism. But in reality, she, you know, she does have a background in news. She's got the chops. It isn't like Oprah just plucked some Yokel and plot or in front of America and made us except her. She warned her up. She kept put around putting around the Oprah show. Then she made the editor of Oprah magazine, and for anybody who cares, you know, her and Oprah met in Baltimore along fucking time ago when they both got their start. That's when Oprah was smoking crack and had an afro, we'll go way back. And of course, you know, twenty years, she's been editing. I don't know how much editing you do for Oprah magazine. You just you find out what story's going to run you have one meeting among and you go home God knows what she's making that deal too. And last year, of course, got got inducted into the broadcasting hall of fame, and I'm I'm cool with that. I like her style. I gotta admit I don't think she did anything spectacular at all while interviewing R Kelly. She sat there, and you know, she sat the she's being heralded for the way, she said, Robert Robert while he was going berserk and talking about how his life is in shambles. That's not it's not that hard. He did all the heavy lifting. I like to see Gayle king trudge through a field of i-it's in Syria while interviewing a soldier taking fire for ISIS. Let's try that. I'd like to see the kind of heroic insane wartime shit that Laura Luma. Well, Lewis not Louis not doing wartime ship, but I like people really sink our teeth into journalism lower logo. I met Larry Logan on the CBS chick who got fired. She's tremendous do that kinda shit. Then we'll talk about the hall of fame in enemy, but sitting on Kelly's house with ten publicists and en- handlers. Four feet away. It's not. That hard. I would have had a very different line of questioning if I were Gayle, for instance, what kind of question is this. This is the one, you know, I got I got a protest one question. She asked did you ever have sex with anyone under the age of seventeen? Hello, he married. A Leah when she was fifteen. I don't think he waited to us to banger. The fuck that's not some secret, just Google it Gail. But you know, this morning watching her female co anchors boy were they stay. They couldn't they couldn't say enough great things about her. You know, Gil, which we will worried about you very concerned because I could see the explosiveness in his eyes in the physicality his actions. How did you do your amazing never saw anything like it? All right. And she was very cool and deflecting it it's not her fault. They were blown her for for five minutes. I'll say no one nobody knows what real toughness is anymore. No one knows what aren't Kelly did will forever. Go down as an iconic moment forever. And you're gonna see Manny pictures of that day and journalism professors will eventually teach from this moment and young reporters everywhere will all hail the king. Gayle king. That's what they'll do. But the next crop journalists the ones that are coming up or so fucking spoil the little entitled pussies, you know, anyhow. So of course, a picture of Gayle king staying calms going to excite them. And did you hear this the students set up New York's pace university a very upset with the tabloid publisher David pecker pecker who's while? He's essentially my boss. He runs AM. I America media, and he's the publisher of all the tabloid star inquirer intouch radar and God knows how many more but the other day some pussy journalism students at pace university. They want his name removed from a lecture theatre on its campus. It seems the scandals he's a allegedly been involved in have them worried and concerned and they're angry. So they wrote an op Ed at an in the op-ed, they they brought up some of the various scandals, including the fact that he allegedly orchestrated a catching kill with respect to Trump and the playboy playmate of the year, Karen McDougal and also AM is allegedly black. Cnn ailing Jeff Bezos with dick pics that he sent to his lover Lawrence Sanchez, by the way. Just in case, you think Jeff Bezos Lawrence inches are cooling things off turns out a few months ago. They went in in disguise without telling their people, and they checked out an eighty eight million dollar home in Bel Air. A home. That's got insane dimensions and a car elevator. Some believable guys. It's just to think that this guy started Amazon mailing things out of his car. It. You know, listen, there's no excuse anybody can do that in America. If you got the balls and the gumption and the how nothing stopping you for become the next Jeff bass else. Unbelievable. But to say pecker was a major donor to patient Aversa would be an understatement. That's like saying Michael Jackson is mildly curious with boys in grade school. Packers given pace millions of dollars. He graduated from the school in the nineteen sixties. He's got an honorary degree from pace a professorship there named after him. So the name the lecture hall. The David J Packer lecture hall make sense, listen. These little pussies have to know journalism is a dirty game. I was given instructions and told what to do by my publisher, the billionaire more soccer Mun on more than five occasions. I was given strict instructions on who to take out by the knees in the column, you know, not physically, but it was very well known. The demands came from the head down there, are there are certain things that big rich millionaire billionaire publishers take as slights and they want their revenge. They want retribution and one of the first things more succomb in told the Linda Stacey when he harder and harder. To me is look I've got a lot of socialite, friends and. You know, I gotta make sure what you're writing is up to snuff in my friends, Linda said I'll walk away right now. I will fuck and Lee Linda was like that Linda would would knock everything offer desk when when men at the daily news pissed off. She was nuts now, she's gone completely crazy as a total lefty, but I still love her. But she she take any shit, and she said, no more. No, I'm not gonna pull punches because you have some rich friends hire someone else. And I'm sitting there going no don't horror someone else. But you know, what he respected afford, and he only bugged her a couple of times after that. But when he used to get mad or when he was concerned about who you're writing about sometime one time he came into the news in his polo Alphand. I'm talking about horse polo, like not with Paulo Cologne or polo shirt. He came in with the fuck and jodphurs, the the boots would horsh it on the heels. He just came off the polo field to tell them. He was mad. He had the writing stick. He's played polo Peter Br. Randy, the X publisher of interview magazine, another billionaire. So these guys are crazy. I told you awhile ago that the when Moore documen would tell Pete Hamill. What to do is driving? Crazy Pete would say it's like a king with syphilis. It's a crazy reference. But I love it. But that's the way these guys get so journalism can be very dirty game. And these kids have no fucking idea. What what David pecker is alleged to have done. And with some of reporters had legibly done is something that goes on constantly in the business. They just don't know yet. They're sitting in fancy lecture halls with their progressive lefty professors all of whom looked down on pecker. And they think they're getting the whole story. Let me ask you question. What college in America? Do you think would have anything remotely positive to say about a wealthy conservative publisher who's friends with Trump supported Trump endorsed Trump and allegedly help keep his affairs out of the press? The answer is not one. In college would have anything. Nice to say, well, maybe Trump university would be fine with it. But you know, that's not matriculating students right now. What bugs me is? I soon these kids have learned all about the lives of other powerful publishers like William Randolph Hearst. For instance, will you renovate one of the. One of the a major tycoon American businessmen newspaper publisher politician guy develop the nation's largest newspaper chain in media company. Hearst communications very flamboyant he began but was called yellow journalism. He influenced the country's popular media by emphasizing sensationalism and human interest stories, but don't tell these little pussies about that. You know, back in the day Hearst acquire the New York journal, and he fought a very bitter circulation war with the New York World, which was owned by Joseph Pulitzer. That's where the name comes from for the journalism, award gel, Pulitzer or Pulitzer of you pronounce it, but hers soul papers by basically, printing giant headlines with really lurid stories featuring crime and corruption sex and all sorts of innuendo and eventually created chain of about thirty. Newspapers in an in major American cities at its peak, and then he expanded to magazines and created the largest newspaper and magazine business in the world. That many control the editorial positions in coverage of political news in all his papers, and magazines and thereby was basically publishing his personal views. That's what happens it's hardly fair. But it happens so tough shit little pace university. Pussies publishing dirty game. I wonder if these students know that, you know, his his life story was the maintenance ration- for Orson Welles playing Charles foster Kane in the movie citizen Kane, who my kidneys pricks haven't seen citizen. Kane if it isn't streaming on fucking Hulu than they haven't seen it. But I wonder if they know how he got his start when he took over managing his father's newspaper, the San Francisco Examiner that was a paper as father got in eighteen eighty in a repayment for a gambling debt. And then the sensationalism that he practiced. Began when when he gave the paper a great big motto. It was called a monarch of the dailies. And after that he made sure to buy the best equipment the best printing presses the most talented writers of the time. He hired Mark Twain, Jack London. Yeah. Those guys wrote for newspapers meanwhile, William Randolph, Hearst demanded his reporters report any and all accounts of financial curruption municipal corruption which meant he was often attacking companies in which his own family held an interest. You think these pay students have balls like that? I don't think. So they specially what one no the kinda shit. He had to do after he acquired the New York morning journal. This is when New York New York had sixteen papers at one point you imagine that and publishes whatever they could whatever they had to do to stay ahead. Imagine the pressure of having to do something splashy on a on a daily basis. So that Edith and Eddie Jones would choose your paper and not any of the fifteen other choices they had it's it's remarkable. So Hearst pretty quickly had the stylish himself as the most attractive boss out there, mainly because he stayed generous. He paid more than its competitors. Patey gave credit to his writers. People got paid one bylines big bylines. You know, look he stayed calm. Even though there was a storm around him. And he used a lot of let's put it this way, the people he hired were eccentrics, prima donnas. Bohemians drunks retro Bates. Love that word. He used them. He hard them is long as they had useful talents. In other words. He allowed not true typical perfectly qualified reporters to work for him. You know, when I worked at the news, I was surrounded by a lot of guys who went to the Columbia school of journalism, and they had these master's degree and all that shit. And I know they look down on me because I was a kid grew up in the streets and figured out. I do it. And my my way of reporting and following his story was a lot different than theirs. But I knew look down on me. But I didn't give a fuck. I had the big office. I had the big column and they didn't. So it worked out. But I liked that hers. Was that kind of do that would have hired a guy like me? You know, if if the people that I just mentioned if they lived life, and they had a handle or angle on stories, whatever that meant, then they had a place in his newsroom, and that's the way newspapers used to be put together not like today. It's just so different. It's gross. His model for the paper was while others talk the journal axe a love it. I love it. And right around this time, the New York journal and its chief rival in New York World, they adopted this popular journalism, which was called yellow journalism and anybody who went to school pretty much knows what that is. It's basically sensationalized journalism and Joe Pulitzer pushed the boundaries and his newspapers he used bold headlines aggressive news gathering a lot of cartoons. Illustrates a lot of progressive crusades put it that way and human interest stories as well. And Hearst at the journal used the same recipe for success, and he told his reporters, look if you just bust your ass and do it like they're doing a better than them will be fine. And eventually they did impute to have to drop the price of his paper from two cents to one cent. So these papers were locked in a fierce fierce battle for circulation, and I wish you could have been there with me in New York City in the tabloid war the nineties when the daily news was going head to head every day with the New York Post and listen, New York news. There was a great fucking paper to. That's why learnt gray paper. Great people great bosses, but the post and the news tabloid town. And like, I told you in the past as I walked the streets in I could see could always tell what paper was a head by the size of the newspapers stacks at various newsstands. All over the city, if the if the post stack was lower that meant they were beating us that day, and when I got to work I had to fucking get something good. Something outstanding. So our stack of papers would be lower later. It was really looking as scoreboard every day every single day. You knew who is winning who was losing. And what it did was it created a competition and competition is what's gone nowadays. The times report is don't look at the stacks at new stance. Partly because most businesses online now, and it's it system personal and also because ninety percent of the newsstands or gone. When I when I moved to LA, I used to love driving to newsstands in the morning with a Cup of coffee and grabbed the New York City papers, even though they cost like a buck extra was worth it to just read Iraq's writers. I just left. I couldn't just cut cold Turkey and the other day I passed one of those newsstands in the valley with the kids in the car taken back from school. And I go all that news, Dan's dead. And they actually said what's new stand? And you know, what do you say I said at every fucking newspaper in America. Every magazine you could think of it was great usually manned by an old guy who'd been there for decades, you know, it's gone, and they sold it to somebody else who's not in the newspaper business. Who knows the probably be a fucking pop. Sprint store coming soon. Because you know, we all love those monstrosities. They're built those stores built so quickly. No elegance snow personality. Makes you feel like, you know, you're looking at the ugly architecture of nineteen eighties communist, Russia, cold bland, concrete unimagined if like Obama's proposed presidential life if seen as proposed library. Oh, my gods. The fucking concrete box sculpting. And how long tangent these pace students have no idea no idea that even though yellow journalism of was spoken badly about. There was some good to it. All good yellow journalists what they did was they sought the human spirit in every story and edited without fear of emotion or drama. They wore their feeling on their pages. They believe what they would do was honest and wholesome. It was a great way to communicate with their readers member. Tell to Sweeney. That's what I'm talking about. And Hearst believed emotions ignite our intellects, a story catering to a reader's feelings is more important than a story stimulating restarts. Right. I wonder how they'd feel if they ever took the time to learn that when Hearst went from conservative to liberal he decided to visit Berlin in the nineteen thirties interviewed Adolf Hitler. And when Hitler asked him why he was so miss. Understood by the American press, her stolen because Americans believe in democracy, and they're averse to dictatorship, and he then ran columns without rebuttal, by the way, he ran columns by Nazi leader Hermann Goering and Hitler himself as well as MS Laney. And this this is nineteen thirty four an America and Japan's relations were really unstable. So in an attempt to fix that ah prince from Japan came Estatal Tokugawa. Yeah. Tokugawa came to America on some goodwill. Visit and during his visit with William Randolph Hearst. He came in the hopes of improving the shitty relationship, we have with the other people the other country, and he did so because her papers were biased against Asians. And that would be one of the biggest contributing factors to the unfair and unconstitutional mass arrests and interment of Japanese Americans during World War Two. Oh, yeah. William randolph. Hearst had his hand in some shitty things. I'm telling you, and there are plenty of things you can find about him that suggest he routinely invented sensational stories. He fake interviews. He ran phony pictures he. Started real events. You know? And then, of course, Hearst had his hand the best story in the mysterious death of Thomas ins- and not many of you know, the name Thomas ins-. I sure as hell didn't when we did the mysteries and scandals episode on Thomas ins-, but lended up being one of my favorite most intriguing stories ever heard about Hollywood sex, betrayal. Power murder is perfect. So check this out Thomas ins rose from a failed stage actor basically to a successful film tycoon he invented the system of movie making that still in use today. He created something called triangle studios with a couple of big names Mack Senate and DWI Griffith. Hello. And eventually he founded the studios in Culver city that would become MGM not too bad. But he is where I love this story. So one day. Thomas insight was guest of honour on William Randolph. Hearst giant yacht. The. The Nida, and it was his forty second birthday of forty fourth birthday, something like that. On the boat with him is Hearst, obviously, Hearst longtime actress companion Marian Davies also on Boorda's, Charlie Chaplin, an actress name Elinor Glyn. Another actress I'll tell you about in a second. But also gossip columnists Luella Parsons was there. Now, several of these people on the boat were all at crossroads in their lives or careers chaplain was dealing with the critical and commercial failure of the movie a woman in Paris. There were rumors that he'd impregnated sixteen year old girl named lead grey Marian Davies wanted to appear in slapstick comedy rather than the shitty and boring costume dramas. Hearst was putting her in because at this point I was producing films as well Thomas inches film studio was in dire financial straits, and he was hoping to convince Hearst to take him on as a partner in cosmopolitan pictures and Parsons wanting to relocate from the east coast to the more glamorous west coast where everything was happening and all the movie stars live everybody. She wrote about was out in Hollywood. She wanted move. Out here. Meanwhile, get this Hearst suspects that Marian Davies is fucking Charlie Chaplin and Thomas ins- Chas the same suspicion, and he wanted to use that trip to privately tell Hearst in order to curry favor with him because Thomas ins- found a discarded love letter, the Charlie Chaplin had written to Davies he founded in a wastepaper basket on board the boat. So he's dying to tell her that, you know, what you're right chaplain his girl when he finally gets the nerve to tell him he goes searching for on the boat now Hearst went ballistic when he heard this. And he got even crazy. You've got even more mad when he found that an expensive piece of jewelry that he'd given Davies was found in Charlie Chaplin's cabin. So he figures it was loss. You know what I mean while fucking around something behind his back. So the rumor is Hearst. Grabs a gun, and he starts looking around the yacht for chaplain in the middle of sucking. He's gonna kill this guy gonna kill Charlie Chaplin. Meanwhile, Thomas runs into Mary Davis as he's running around. And the to have a sit down get this on fortunately in picked up one of trolley chaplains hats and put it on his head while he was secretly talking to marrying Davis. Now, the story is Hearst overheard Davies confide to instead, she never loved chaplain, and she regrets the affair. She heard him say I never loved him. That's the part that Hearst heard what he heard that. He thought she was talking about him. So he pumps a bullet into the back of not Charlie Chaplin Thomas since the next step. He's gotta dump Charlie Chaplin's body in the ocean. Promise Luella, Parsons, the gossip calmest saw everything. So now hearse house to arrange. Doc, the boat and San Diego, and he has an ambulance. Take the dying end home. He wasn't dead yet and Hearst phones, inches wife and tells her lucky he tried to kill himself because the other actors on the boat. I forget it. I aim is Livingston. He was having an affair. She tried to ended. And he assures the wife that the truth will never reach the media. You have my you have my promise that no one will know the story don't worry about it and to the rest of his guests. He tells ins- he tells people L inches ulcer flared up, and we need a quick medical attention. They didn't know that he shot him. So Mary Davis, of course, knows the truth. And she tells Charlie Chaplin would happen and he's freaking out because he could've been fucking killed. Also, loo on the Parsons, she ends up telling her you secret will be safe with me as long as you give me a lifetime contract with Hearst corporation, and that laid the groundwork for her long career as one of Hollywood's most powerful guy. Passive columnists. So after all that the actress I figured a first Livingston she went on to star in a number of successful films. Her salary jumped from three hundred film two thousand film, one why Davis Davies ended up starring in more of hers films before finally being allowed to feature in a comedy called the Hollywood review of nineteen twenty nine which as chaplain predicted was a success she stayed by her side until he died. Nineteen fifty one chaplain ended up marrying his teenage lover Lita grey in Mexico and is filmed the goal. Rush was a huge huge success Luella Parsons ends up working for hers for many years. And then she subsequently became one of the most successful writers in the history of American journalism, and sadly Thomas since people forget all about him. Every died. No one talked about anymore. Very few newspapers reported it. No police action was taken and this really proves that in Hollywood, no two accounts of the situation are ever the same. And that makes anything David pecker allegedly did for Donald Trump sound really innocent compared to what I just told you. But but that was what powerful publishes did way back in the day. And I wonder if the pussy to pace university. What a hard time learning at trade in the William Randolph. Hearst lecture hall. Let me thank my cream of the crop might tippy top alley chichi TRAN on the men and at Mony cross Angelique Keller Audra fortune. Chris Elise hu is shooting Rocco's football game next like good on you, buddy. Chris Lewis Kristoff, Debbie Anderson, George Nass, captain speed Catrin, Stewart, Kellyanne us poor many Valentinas. Melanie Howell, Melissa spear stra, Nicole Patterson, Patricia Markel, Ryan Wolfe. Sarah, Sisley Galloway Todd brand Wendy magazine. Krista Johns, dad, Heather brindell candy. Welsh, Eric Farka hub Gannett right from not right me. Joe Leone and the beautiful Kenza dean Kennedy is somebody. I recently joked that if she ever married me, she called Kenza Benza interesting. Listen, I'm gonna leave you with this. Rumor guys, there's a strong rumor out there that I n t was the first float this. I gotta be honest. The basically it's being fellow that that that Oprah Winfrey helped fund the leaving Neverland doc that she's one of the steriods producers, which is really odd to a lot of people, especially black folks, you know, who would never think one of their big powerful idols would would produce a doc that would help destroy the image of another us powerful idle in the black humidity. But it makes some sense. We know Oprah hosted the interview show that followed in which she interviewed the two men Wade and James save Chuck and the director, Dan Reed. And let me say man, what was save Chuck visibly shaken up by what he if you saw that shell he was shaking up as soon as they began to hold the energy. Because what they did is you obviously know this. They they lead save Chuck and Robson watch the documentary with a. With a room full of ink two hundred sexual abuse victims, so very emotional and save Chuck look he looked like he went through the mill man again, he relived it. But. It's so odd to me because save Chuck describes what Michael Jackson did to him like a semi smile on his face. It almost you know, like, I don't know. It's it's a very weird. Look, you know, Robin. Wade Robson states facts like he's still trying to make himself believe the insanity of having gone through that seven years he'll say he'll just say a regular sentence. And they'll say and then Michael sexually abused me for seven straight years from seven to fourteen like he's still trying to reckon with it. But save Chuck will say I masturbated so much that I ate at my penis swelled up and Michael brought me a Cup of warm water to help me p. It's like he's talking about as mother bringing them a Cup of tea. It's very very weird dynamic and not saying there's something wrong with them. Or it's said something I'll never know. But I find that the two of them having gone through the same thing. Both treated so differently in its aftermath. It's very interesting. But if anything it should just show you that everybody's different. Everybody's different come sexual-abuse everybody and look to me the fucking parents are so clueless. But beano really pissed me off. But save checks. Mom, bugs me so much. It sounds like she wants sympathy or something. I don't know. It's very, you know, she'd say, you know, Michael was like another child to me, I washed his clothes. And then later she said when I heard the news reports, I was so happy he died. What the fuck is out about. I don't know. What her I don't know? What that what are deal is? You know, but but but of Jimmy safe Chuck isn't speaking to his mom anymore. I totally get it. 'cause she's a fucking weird one. She really is. But I gotta say Oprah did. I think the excellent job of illustrating what she's always tried to explain which is child sexual abuses is really about seduction. She'll she also wanted to make make show that would allow the audience to see how this shit happens. I think a really important aspect of her. Shell was the way she discussed. How the words abuse the word abuse lacks currency, basically doesn't have the same effect that used to have and kids often can articulate abuse to their parents because they literally don't have the language yet to explain what happened to them. And basically that is that they've been seduced an entrapped, and they don't know those words at seven eight nine ten they don't know them yet. And I know that's come up a lot on the podcast obsessed page, but basically look is for the last time, I'm not gonna keep going back and flawed. Not to say you guys. Shouldn't right? What you're right. I I'm fine with anything you guys wanna post, but men handle having been abused very differently. The women do so women San the page and how men answer them back. I think we're both right with both still trying to understand each other. It's a very different dynamic. But for people to say, you know, what? And they mid it happened. The first time they went on the stand. That's that'd be perfect in a perfect world. But Robson said he I started to think about the behavior being abused. When he had a son of his own and began to learn about how children thinking and save check said his process began when when Robson I spoke out and he realized he wasn't alone. So everybody's different. I can get that. I totally understand that. Another thing. I think that was really important for everyone screaming that the Jackson's didn't give their side. Well, look as a filmmaker Ernie Els producing something like that the film the film was about what happened to Wade Robson Jimmy save Chuck, and there's not a lot of journalistic value in talking to people who are just going to say what they say because they have a financial vested interest in Michael Jackson. In other words, his family. You know, if you're going to get you're gonna get typical canned quotes like well Michaels, a really nice guy. He would never do anything like that. It's not like, you know, who need that shit doesn't balance out of story. But to me the biggest clue that Oprah had a vested interest in this documentary is how she ended her interview she said to the whole audience stories bigger than than me. And she says I said the beginning, it's bigger than anyone person. And don't let any person in your world. World make it just about what Michael Jackson did. Or did not do. She said it's about this thing this insidious pattern that's happening in our culture, and we refuse to look at it. You know, Oprah Oprah used about two hundred and twenty five episodes of Oprah Winfrey show specifically to deal that dealt with child-sex-abuse out of all the year. She was on the air two hundred and twenty-five shows was strictly geared toward that one topic. And she took on this thing because she herself was abused. That's why Oprah went at this. I don't fuck who. Michael Jackson was Oprah was coming at this. From an angle of I want to help people refused. Period. So hard getting abused in and getting to the bottom of that pain is way bigger and more important than placating the portion of her black audience who will forever giver shit because she took part in tearing down Michael Jackson legacy. But I'll tell you the names being floated around as to who helped her fund and produce. Leaving Neverland it's pretty impressive. Although it's it's hard to understand why some of the names have been mentioned, but aside from Oprah there's word that Gayle king also helped as did the two Harvey's are relevent, Harvey Weinstein. And you know, I gotta say I can see Oprah because one she's loaded and she could do it all alone. And the fact that she's an abuse survivor. I totally get it. And if she's on board, I can see her getting her best he Gail involved too. If so a big tip of the cat, the both of them who knows maybe all the creepy men around. Gayle king helped make this decision for her to fund this picture a lot easier for her. Maybe she was just sick of listening to these abuse stories. I do remember watching her every morning during all these stories, and she was really affected. She was really fed up. Whatever story about Charlie rose, les Moonves popped up. I don't know Harvey Weinstein could have gotten involved, you know, his money is stretched so thin in. Earmarked for different court cases and Harvey Levin. I wouldn't put it past. And he's been dying to make a splash producer for a long time. But the main cog that's been floated is David Geffen. And that's a curious choices. Well, I mean, God knows he has the money and the power, but if you take into account all the stories of the young men he's been involved with kind of weird that he would go that route. But second ninety something to deflects any kind of stories and rumors that people have about him could be but second the fact that he was very close to Michael Jackson is given that ruthless that he would go on and produce a documentary that literally takes down whatever was left of Jacko. Yeah. He is. I'll tell you why the trio of Geffen Oprah. And Gayle king makes sense. If anything I like, the fact that they took that trip aboard Geffen's four hundred and fifty foot three hundred million dollar yen. Last week of January to celebrate Oprah's birthing, I never knew those three to hang out together before two very suspicious pairing especially with the timing of the dock coming out. So I wouldn't put it. I wouldn't put it past anybody. I wouldn't doubt it at all if those three were heavily involved in producing that documentary. And of course. I gotta say always found it. Sure is the name of deafen jot little ironic rising sun. I'm sure David and Michael Jackson for around a lot of people sons who weren't rising more like going down. That's it guys that was famous bitch for March eighth twenty nineteen. I'll talk his Monday.

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MANK | Double Toasted Audio Review

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MANK | Double Toasted Audio Review

"This holiday season you know to have my wishlist adventure now. That's why i got a new honda during the happy honda day sales in they have a whole lineup of rugged all wheel drive. Suv's crv pilot passport. But at the end of the day. I drove off at a new. Hr v. with a bunch of safety features and best of all. I got it on clearance. So don't just sit around knitting an ugly holiday sweater. see your local honda dealer or happy. Honda days clearance pricing today. So i don't know how this is today because we moved coming up. If you love movies people would actually question your love of movies sometime. He just like moves. All you like movies. Have you seen citizen kane. Greatest movie of all time. Greatest movie of all know you. Thank you love this. it's the stairway to heaven. it is yeah it is. Oh you told how cute you'd think you love moves you'd never seen citizen kane and i'm sure you some some people out there like we're at this point that when people are young enough to where they were they don't even know now citizen kane who represents lucia citizen kane at one time and i slow down my whole today but they you know at one time. It was the greatest movie ever made by the genius. Orson welles citizen kane is a modern american story about a man called charles foster kane. I don't know how to tell you about him. So many things to say. I'll turn you over instead to the characters and the picture as you'll see they feel very strongly on the subject. Also foster came off sweat dripping ever say that name around crows. Hawk what do you do. He's talked marwan man. That's back when they made trailer that until you shit about the which they go back to the yes seen a whole movie italian wants to trailing the trail. I tried to find trailer. We'll show you something like you're gonna watch the movie. The greatest movie ever made you tell people that today. Greatest movie amaze rock in it. Who kevin hart. How people ought to and as i said this is made by what they call it at the time. The boy genius orson welles twenty four years old at the time twenty four years old at the time and he made this man as man was twenty. Four years led a hell of a career went from that to slinging wine while being drunk one or two two. A lot of that slinging wind was because he made citizen kane. What drove me crazy. No he made powerful enemies. Oh does didn't that's what this movie address today. We'll talk about that. No definitely indefinite movies. This movie really is about a man. Don't write this title this movie man. Why are you doing. I'm doing this for you. Why are you doing this citizen kane story. You don't like it and it's it's amazing. Yeah thing is don't publish. Let's just keep this he would genius maiden shapely my name involved in stop. Yeah they're about talks about orson welles. Though you wouldn't have this movie that's the thing about it. You wouldn't have this movie if you didn't have it on the page. If you didn't have the printed word and that script is brought is by. Herman j mankiewicz. Who was the some people. Say a genius writer. Also alcohol alcoholic geniuses. The he was alcohol sneak people to tell when he was crippled across the room he still found a way that was crippled. And in a cab in the middle of nowhere in the desert and still manage to find alcohol. He just hit it up his ass. He like a drug mule. He just shit bottles when he got in there. You yeah man but this is the story of a lot of things here a lot of things. I must say this game. We come back. But i've never had to really fragment a review like this before is how to recommend it to people but it's a story of about the movie when it was being written by the man who had to fight for the credit until this day people still don't improper credit for it and the struggle to kind of squash this what people consider greatest movie ever made for particular political reasons. Let's go ahead and take a look at david ventures. What people are saying is his latest masterpiece. Make a short making of course and we'll be back with our review. Now you listening. I'm sorry for a moment of silence. But i wanted to show that because even the the green when he had the green bad trailer and they say brought by the film association of america rain in my whatever. They did that in the old style of the movies. Back there when when The the twenties and when a citizen kane came out they you know movies. Very detailed are very detail oriented to the style of filmmaking at that time shit i just made a silent film in different. The push the button. Yeah well forget. I've got to raise us out Moving on now it's awesome said we tal- what is it to writer says. Tell the story. You know yourself to home misdemeanor go. It's shallow. you hermit. Call me man. Is this parliament mankiewicz to call him. Earn herman mankiewicz. Playwright and drama tradition humble screenwriter. Mr i this is a business gets nothing for his money but a memory. What he bought skill belongs to the man who sold it. That's the real magic of the movies like blood religion all in one film director. Why i always want macaroni. I hear your hunting dangerous game. God bliss was randolph. Hearst ready willing to hunt the great white whale just gami have come in this right. She will never finish you. Sit ninety days well sixty. I'm doing the best. I can put up with your suicidal drinking. You're a compulsive gambling. You're silly platonic affairs. You owe me herman. You're nothing but caught just want to know is what you should commits a bit of a jumble collection of fragments that around in time like mexican jumping beans into my mind. Saw him i get would marrying do to deserve this. Not a not all counties a headliners some secondary you. Pick a fight with willie. You are finished mayor can't you. Nobody can especially the boy genius from new york. I removed any distraction eliminated every. Excuse your family your cronies liquor. I gave you a second chance. You cannot capture a man's entire live two hours all you can hope his to leave the impression want why host inside his own blonde betty boop. You're always his favorite dinner partner. Are you familiar with the character of the organ grime. Us monkey put a pillow. Was i heard this before. You don't get. Oh so. I don't expect you to see this as the same way i do. Okay but so before we got into this review we did a review about another netflix. Movie takes place modern times and is a musical. And i was saying that if you don't like musicals then you're not audience for this. Just takes a whole section of people right there in and by the way i don't think is a very revolutionary musical. Don't turn people around now with this. I feel the same way. Except i'm not saying that it's it's something that is that is poor. That is going to turn people. Away is just something that is so again detailed oriented in everything that i think that is at to break down a fragments. Four particular audiences not just one audience particular audiences. It's me it. It is it's micronesian. Yeah man i about this. Visit critics movie. Yeah okay. I mean this. This ninety percent on rotten tomatoes. That's why gay straight up. This is a critic moving again. Hear me and good thing a bad thing. You just is it because if you are critic chances are you got into the job because you love movies. You probably went to film school. You went to film school and therefore had to learn film history right up to the formation of hollywood hollywood politics business and this is various specific on those man. You know if you're a fan of hollywood history the nisus for you because they going here. I mean this. And i'm not talking about just any time you film nerds and about people. The casualties movies. I'm talking about you. Bus you historians because they do a lot of namedrop in his film and they don't bother to explain any of them. You just have to kind of catch up our put pieces together and i'm not saying again because this is this is speaking the language of the people who understand that history but other people. It'll be a foreign language for you. you know. There's a lot of talks about a lot of talk about the politics especially about the politics of that time. And so we're they're talking about the politics talking about the early studios the talking about the people who form those studios. One plays is louie b. mayer who ran mgm. And they tell you who played by the movie. Artists howard is howard. Yeah who plays who plays them in the film In there is right there. you know. Listen that i was in film school. And i had to learn the stuff you know and it was very interesting and i love to learn about it now. This will be annoying some people because a lot of people love to drop that history of people could makes them sound spark smart. It's like those people who would go to shakespeare plays and like i know that. Yeah l. that. Yeah that's where we'll probably get annoy. I'm not one of those people who wants to impress. I'm not bragging rights knowing history I do know a lot of this. And even then i didn't know it was so detailed. I was like okay. I don't remember that. I just didn't know that so for people who don't care about that history. Don't know that history and going to you know you come in here cold. There's a chance this movie could push you away could alienate you in a way. Because it's not it's not meant for you is is not something this is a this is a petty as almost condescending word but people would say is not meant for casuals short there in your right and it's not even a down is just isn't the way the movie was was designed written and put together a i feel like there's a small audience for this. It's vigneault that's when you said niche. It's a very small audience for it and but but it could expand could get bigger and bigger for people who appreciate different things in the movie. Now if you're going to have a story. That's what i'm saying you're gonna have a story. A lot of this stuff is probably going to be over your head if you don't know it. S just what is meant for You know the now the other people that could be for is for people who love citizen kane you know if you love citizen kane then you probably know about the history of citizen kane. Maybe it'll the history of the hollywood system the formation of hollywood the hollywood heads and all the names the big players. But you probably know that in citizen kane that it you know the the character charles foster kane was supposed to be When william randolph. Hearst william randolph hearst. Being the the big the big print tycoon at the time. That was a take on him. And that's what the movies kind of about. This guy is right descript as clearly taking shot powerful person and his powerful person has the ability to step on his person in crush. The and you've been so if you know that if you know the moving you know all about william randolph hearst and everything you like know all of that and then as a chance at all the other stuff will just kind of interest you was. It comes along sure. Yeah like i knew this but it's interesting to find out all these other things that were going on at the same time. Yeah and william randolph. Hearst was he was news mother fucker man he was he was he had all kinds of scandals and all kinds of shit on the side. He had side pieces. And he he he. He made Legislation that affects us to this day. So you know the move. Might need a wholesome suspicious for you when you realize. Oh shit. that's right. He was with this. Wow he shouldn't have been doing it. you know and again i know about that because a solid citizen kane. I was in high school light but didn't even know about to watch it again in film school and go and be before we watch the movie every day going to class that bitch. Orson welles was looking at us at the door. They hung up just like looking at to us. Every day you went to that class rubbing in because as you'll never be me a close it said at the age of twenty five. I made the greatest movie abba made. What the fuck did you do rubbed. It is looking at every day. So you know again. I know wallet. I can tell you. You know if that's something that interested in the movie will pull you in but the third group of people that think this interest man and get them into this most even know some of this other stuff about that. I really come in. I appreciate the the making itself the filmmaking on a technical level if you just love the technical level filmmaking will love this at least i did. It's it's almost a an orson welles style of filmmaking for this movie it is. I believe david finch's father wrote the script he did. So david fincher had been years trying to get this done and of course you might look at the time when hollywood was you know before we got an and make an issue right right well. He's got a deal with netflix. But netflix now. They can do that all right. We let you make your little movie. You can make more stuff for us though right. Yeah yeah. I gotta tell you this is. This is amazing. I said this before. I say again the attention to stylistic detail of that era is incredible this of course the cinematography is great. You could see how people it is. Not even you think you just easily like switch. Chroma key changed from the black and white black and white at this level. You have to look this almost even harder to light because you have to go any get certain effects for shadows in the shadowing in this movie are the shot. The the the shadow placement in this film with the black and white is incredible. The lighting foreshadows in. This movie is amazing and i even think that i know. Industrialized was involved in their moments with outside in the sound that the sound is too good is like a stage. I think they recreated backgrounds. Because you can tell. There's a little halo around people. You could tell. The green screen effect are some transparency. Going it can get a little pretentious. Sometimes they'll do things like put cigarette burns in the corner fucking film saying i knows a movie man. You ain't got to do that from years from now. Somebody will come across like loss. But what'd you think about that man about the stylistic choices here in the filmmaking is what i liked about this the most it's constantly just just on the filmmaking level it's constantly impressive you you can't take your eyes off especially you kind of start getting lost in just all the camera angles in the shadows and and the different ways he finds to to put these things together and yeah little things like that like the quote unquote special effects from back in the day to have so many of them in this done so well. It's gorgeous now. When i say that there's a critics for this. Is this a movie for critics talking about all these eight. Critics won't be talking about you know talking. All that shit ain't gonna get into china. Impress people will. Here's where the astle critic comes on me man. Because i'm about to. I'm about to get real nerdy with this man but go deep with some film stuff right and it's going to sound probably a little egg pretentious to you. But i'm i'm serious. When i say this i'm not seeing anybody can go in film black and white you because some people film black white do beautiful. Now say look at that. That's like the old times now. Saying as easy but is more to it than that. They pay so much attention to detail. David fincher did to the filmmaking style of the time right down to the old language of film the editing the pacing. It's not enough to just cross. Bathe the movie there. There are ways that people deliver dialogue and then they did a fade out and he did a back in and dave paid attention to details like they spoke the language of that film back in the day even the an in for people who might not understand what's going on the dialogue is so clever. I'm talking about people you know. They really wanna get down to the rhythm of looking at that time there was. There is a rhythm that goes. there's a cadence to wait till the mid atlantic accent. Yeah but also the the you know the the wit everybody and everybody knew what to say at the right time you know. They had the best comebacks. they had best jokes. Everything and dexter wrote they're very well. It's entertaining to listen to these people talk and they have some bad ass in here to man. I mean you ain't got you ain't you ain't gotta understand the movie to know when somebody walks in a room and fox up especially when they stumbled emanate. Come in the room drunk. You like shit. You know as some brilliant scenes like that man. Yeah man you know. I even right down to the to the angles. The way they shot people similar. I'll say they'd like cross bait. I don't people one. They'll they'll they'll film in the right angle where re mimics a move that time. Where they you know they all of that work together. The editing the lighting the staging. That is the people realize that you know. They don't do certain things anymore because technically times have changed. You know they have they do staging differently now just because of we the way sound is done and stuff and they paid attention to all. Then i would. It's an amazing thing to look at when they do that. I mean it doesn't their moments where you didn't know these actors. You came into the room and saw this. You might be like maybe up to watch for a while. It is a more modern. Does dumyat mimicking the style from back. Then but if you didn't know and these people life is this turner classic movies. Yeah i think the casting is weird. Okay yeah i thought so too. Would you think It is one of those like oh. That's the real guy Nothing like not even a little bit. The deal here is that some of the casting is spot on mailing and they've been as a reason why they've been putting us in the marketing so marion davies and actor an actress at the time who also pretty infamous for her scandalous relationship. With william randolph. Hearst if you watch citizen kane. There is a representation of her in that movie An unflattering when on full berry. Betty made stupid titles dumb bitch but amanda see free to It'll she got us. Yeah she does even looking. Oh god sid but perfect cast and right there perfect appearance. Yeah yeah especially. When she first comes on. I was like oh man and it's almost like they pulled from those movies and stuck out here. Yeah but but as far as as far as the real herman herman j making wins goes he was. He was fifty five when he died. And he's alcoholics. Probably even looks older and plus people older back there no matter what true so he was fifty five when he died. And you can clearly look at. Gary oldman be like you ain't no fucking fifty five years old and it wouldn't even matter because he's great in the role. Gary coleman is amazing in the row. And i'm talking about the delivery of dialogue and why so appealing a lot. A lot of that is his dialogue. He reminds me of a very sad. The way he talks reminds me a very soi ernest board. Not no burgess meredith. Well it's okay. So i mean as since the movies doing deep dives i'll do another one. I don't know what what what herman mankiewicz sounds like. But all gary oldman's his voice his cadence. He sounds is almost exactly like this. This this actor tudor owen. We used to do a lot of radio stuff and listen to them. All the time here on shows like pat novak for hire and other shows but he always played this character who was an alcoholic who come in and say really witty and funny things. And every time i wasn't looking at gary oldman i thought i was like that's own. No it's not. It's scary gary. Oldman what is going on here. Yeah i i'd have a problem with. We spoke. I have a problem even with his looks. What our problem with is that. The man is older than fifty five hours early and a lot of people had these young wise man and young was the thing back. Then it was the thing back. Then you can look this so this this actress rate here. Her name is tough yet. Top top top. It's militant i. You can't get them more british thing. She's got to be british may they. Don't make britney any names more british than that. I'm united middleton. Yeah even like not even british anymore. You're like an l. But she is thirty three years old. Gary oldman sixty two am i look. I don't know how old was she was a time when he was happening. But it's like i mean look seven years just makes a big difference was like dan. It looks like you'll granddaughter man. It took me while 'cause because he was calling home and talking about the and his daughter he was. Yeah i was thinking it was his daughter. A secretary it took a bit too late. Wait that's his. that's your wife. Yeah oh okay. I was like whoa wait a minute and so i mean like i said that the ages wrong right there and i wouldn't have a problem with it just didn't really really show also just for the moment that they're on is not that big of a difference but the guy that plays orson welles. Tom burke got the voice data voice the voice. He has down and every time he's speaking. I was like damn. This guy is good. He's better than maurice lamarche and when you see him like you got morrison. Well no not when you see him. He looks like a pirate. Something go you. Can't the mortgage company wells. But there was one shot one shot. And i wish i could have got it but i was rushing to get in here. That's one shot where he's talking to to make in the dark and you look in intense and he's well he's about to beat his ass. Yeah i was like shit. That is orson welles right there. they should. I mean even in in the trailer but yeah it was tough me see. Yeah there's there's moments in here where again it goes right down to the light and is right there. I'm like now. I'm looking at like no. No he's still like satan to something no as a matter of fact when he got to that point. I don't need anything that looked like orson welles. But when he's having to yell he he kind of loses he does ability to sound like him too but for a long time he had had it man. I tell you who somebody that. It took me a long time whereas like what. Oh oh no. Before i move on that man let me just say i love it. I love the scene. He was in but let me pull up this picture. Right here. man You boy charles dance. Oh yeah let me know. When i saw that he was playing her. I was like okay. That's perfect oh no it was was movie called Let me see. I had this picture here of charles dance on there. It is looked at that. And i did us taiwan last cold blooded tyler last. You gotta cores l'audace address last well. When he first came on the scene when he was on the horse i didn't i didn't recognize him. I did but But at the time he he you know he he seemed to me. This was secondly. Larry you plan a different person but there are moments where and i only say that because they have a scene where he pulls time lancaster she s like like everywhere the do sits is thrown and he pulls some shit omega man s some lantis but like on the whole story. What just want you boy. He was going hard on somebody dressed like that like normal. Laugh at somebody. But you can't say nothing to me dressed like that not him. He was driving all kinds of knowledge. Hemos somebody that. I was really impressed with in here was a tom. Tom pelfrey this guy his brother his brother. What did we just see him. And i tell you 'cause 'cause i was watching netwo- fist on mine was before the thing happened ruin mama. I remember who i am now. Now gather sleep on the sada uber driver. I'm about to put this here. That's ozark is where i saw is what i remember seeing him in whole time. He was an iron fist. He's one of the shitty brother and iron fist. No he was an iron fist. But i i was watching. I remember. i'm not up that foreign ozark. Oh that's a second season of ozark season yeah I've seen the second season the first season in. That's what's her name The wine yeah. That's a brother in the series and he's talking and look i do was so good i thought he really was a old country yokel hick because he played when you've season by the for the first time thinking like okay. That's where they are right just like when you saw wasn't even hard candy you now. You think he's a real rate wasn't gonna file better-funded patrick wilson patrick wilson hanley. Yeah your country has red neck. And i kept watching the the the movie i can watch like. I've seen this guy. Seen this guy took me to recognize him because he's playing a completely different person. Plays manx brother helped. Cut this goddamn sound up some time. See chorale. I hear your hunting dangerous game. God bliss william randolph. Has you know you see them in the and he really. He's again he has that the cadence of the time and it's really He's just goes to show. How much range is actor has rare when somebody takes a while for me to realize who who they are are are takes wapping realized who they are. I'm like wow you know. They did a good job and they can. They can take. They can tackle a lot of roles at least from what i've seen from these two roles. I wish you seen married fish. You'd be like. I will never want to see him. Ever again was terrible in the yes. Oh shit i mean. The material was bad. So i mean it was. It was but he was not looking good in that thing. He's brother come on. I didn't know by looking good. She collagen kerry right there. Yeah right. they're like. Oh and i do have to say that. This movie did bring out a lot of range and a lot of people Trent resonant atticus. Ross while just gotta the bahraini care hand carried his hands dry of them. They usually heard like the moody almost kind of stint musically done for a lot of david ventures movies and some other things they did the music here get they did the music and soul and it's completely different. I'd see. I didn't see so yet. And i heard that they were doing music and seoul and i haven't seen a young. I'm actually looking very much forward to hear what that is like. But here you know again you know. They're they're expanding math. Yeah do a lot of stuff. That's very different from what you've heard before you know Like i said we're live with david fanshawe. A lot of stuff is very dark very moody very cynth- and in his now is like a they have they. They can fit different genres. The music fit step period. Here david is turning into somebody that i really love sometimes like every film film filmmaker does but they can show that they they can take on different genres. They can make a different movie than that feels the much different from the last film our take on a different stories. I like david fincher has done so much. Man know i'm thinking of things like anywhere from fight club to benjamin buttons so many things so many thing you know the the Call it the the social network on their own alien start with. There's so many things done not not to mention stuff that he's produced like Minehunters minehunters in love sex and robots. You know you got to. He's got a very eclectic mind. And i think that Admire him for that and now we see him doing this and this is probably the most different thing he's done and as far as i'm concerned as long as again you know. I don't know pay depending what you're looking for if you're looking for one of those angles at all. He's done something pretty incredible here Again i'm not saying that pretentiously like some critics spill to. I'm telling you right now. Because like i said this for berry berry various specific and i'm not going to up and be like. Oh it's about hollywood so it must be good talking about things i know about now. Math fuck that. I don't care about any of that. But i do adore the filmmaking. Here a love it so much that i just kinda have to give it a a a full price for that man i mean there's i look at the film making and i say you know this is what i'm talking about when i say people go in and they care about what they're doing this is you know they. They genuinely want to make a tickly kind of film lubitsch. It's a it's a. It's a labor of love and you know his dad wrote the script. His you know his who has passed away so of course you know he through his his full passionate to it. I'm a big david. Fincher fan and i adore the filmmaking here now. I didn't go to film school. I mean i do know all all. But i know plenty about the citizen kane william randolph hearst. A lot of that so no that was over my head But as we've said. I certainly hold this down. I don't consider myself a real critic. It might be on my business car but not a real critic and as such I appreciate this movie. But i didn't like it that much. I've found the way it jumped around in time. And just what it was kind of coming down to is like i. I like what i'm looking at. But i'm not getting a good sense of story flow and there's great dialogue here and there but when it came down what this was you know a lot of what this was about a man. Okay so the guy who wrote citizen kane is in who we thought and this is just to say hey. This isn't the way it went down. I mean possibly you know a lot of its is based on a essay by pauling kale. Which people have said like you know about this but yeah it's it's so meech de didn't so much lead me out to i didn't understand it. It just didn't grab me in a way where i cared that much as like. It's interesting to see this stuff. Play out and at the same time. I'm not having any feel for it on something that i didn't like that's that's kind of small and it doesn't ruin the pitcher but yeah don't like the romanticizing of how. His wife accepted his behavior. They like him being that alcoholic and all the stuff he did and she was always just smiled back him up. I was like get a little more character. And her where she's like. Not cool with all this and it shows. I mean it might not have bothered me if the film was shorter but that was for a long time with something where i was like man. I'm waiting for it to catch for me and it's not doing that. I just feel it alone. I would give it a matinee. 'cause all that's brilliant but how it impacted me not much. I didn't impact me. No that's what i'm saying. I'd i'd i don. I don't think the store is any good either. I mean and that's one of the things out felt also like it is too long. This is only two and a half to kneel and it does jump through time a lot. And that's why i'm saying people i don't think you know i don't think there's a whole lot there for people. You just are really into this story. Are you into the film making when i say story. I'm talking about history. Yeah yeah i mean. I thought about watching this. I was like man. This is similar. I mean filmmaking story wise is similar to trumbull but that really was engaging whereas this is not yet. No i don't i don't think it's I don't think it's a very well store during film either like night. And that's why. I have to emphasize the filmmaking You know. I think that's you know that's why. Say you love if you love bill making that much which i'm pretty just an off. Everything for the filming and goes s. That's what i can recommend it on. But i agree with you completely like they even put up on. The screen flashback. Yeah i think. I'm saying even i was just kind like god damn man. How many players. I know several of them. Why can't we just tell the story. Yeah why you gotta keep going back and you know we. We don't have to do all that. And i guess what bothers me about that is when it comes to time for awards. Hollywood really does reward films that are about filmmaking and this is this is all about that that's why i have to keep saying because i'm giving us a full price that i really i. I could watch this and i loved. I loved the scenes. There's so many scenes in here. That i just love story this and that's rare. Sometimes you just give me some scenes. And i'm fine. I can just come in to wash. Moving pieces. And i will do that again with this. 'cause they're a so many things that i love to watch in this but yeah as far as a whole it doesn't flow together. Well i agree with you completely on i. Can't i mean have you gave us a mobile shit for that. I'd be like you right you know. Oh well then canary. that'd be like i get it man but it really is like like i'm giving. It's sort of like an honorary matinee. 'cause you know like the the craftmanship is great but it was not ultimately. It was not an enjoyable experience. I guess the difference between you and me. I guess i really enjoyed the experience. Even though i can't recommend if a story at all like you just like i get it. Because that's what i'm telling people you don't go into this. It'd be no. I'm glad you put all those caveats in the beginning when they start talking about best movie of the year oscar buzz. Don't listen to that shit. Going in an antibody can go and watch this. Everybody can watch this because you would not be wrong. If you watched walked out and said man. I tried to watch that bliss for five minutes. I can't do that. I mean. I think it could last longer than that. But there's a point where you're like. Where's this going all like. I say if you can just watch. I was never bored. I enjoyed. I enjoyed the experience but i cannot disagree with you one bid at all okay mall. I'm like yeah man you st- you know that in those things. As far as some of the things. I saw two so there you go you know like i said. It's like eighty six ninety percent on rotten tomatoes like okay. Of course it is ninety percent around to me. I was surprised if not more because this state movie. I did not want to re one review of this is. I don't want to hear people. Oh my god this is back in the day. When sola so-so mary pickford set to make reference to this. You thousand you re you serious. Yeah see i don't wanna hit said no. I don't even like being around people like that. That's why even talk to people have to me. I know i know. yeah anyway. Yeah it says rebounds like all right. I wish i was on the same train with you. Guys yeah writer says tell the story you know yourself to home misdemeanor. Goods shall i. You hermit call me. Mac mac mankiewicz where to call him banker with this holiday season. You know what. I have on my wishlist adventured. 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E7: Look, Pause, Feel

Catlick

32:59 min | 1 year ago

E7: Look, Pause, Feel

"This episode contains graphic depictions violence listener discretion is advised. The summer of eighteen. Ninety seven was a particularly hot one. In New York City on June twenty-sixth a group of Ragamuffin boys were roaming the banks of the East River when one of them noticed something bundled up and bobbing in the Serb. This was a busy shipping lane and for years these boys had fished interesting interesting items out. Of New York's East River without a second thought. One of the boys dove in on a mission to retrieve the mystery package a a few minutes later he reemerged on the shore dripping wet and dragging his loot behind him. The boys gathered round or inspect their prize. The package was heavy and waterlogged. It'd been carefully wrapped in a bright red oilcloth. One of the boys stuck it with a knife. The parade trickle-down. Perhaps it was a piece of meat that fallen off a passing ship. The curious boys huddled in closer as the first boy began to UNWRAP the mysterious package. Cutting loose the bindings around the red when the straps release the boys began peeling back the outer layers of the wrapping. Then and there it was one of the last shouted stumbling backwards. These were hardened New York street kids but even they weren't prepared for what lay before them on that Rocky River Bank on the sweltering day in eighteen ninety seven it was a bloody torso a man's chest to be exact no head. It had been removed in no legs. They'd been sawn office farms quite muscular. We're still attached. The Boyce shrieked then scrambled in unison. Up the rocky embankment towards the city about an hour later a worker for the New York City pulled up. He loaded the gruesome discovery into the back of his wagon agan and drove to the morgue. He was mostly unfazed the bellevue morgue was not a pretty place. A turn of the century metropolis like new. ORC produced bodies daily. Those killed in accidents overdoses murder victims in more. The bodies often overwhelmed the more staff piling up and committing the stomach churning stench of decomposing flesh and embalming fluids the agent on duty that day initially thought the headless torso was is just a discarded medical cadaver but upon closer inspection. He observed that the head and legs had been brutally hacked off. This was not the careful work of an aspiring surgeon. Furthermore the remains were kind of fresh. He estimated this person whoever it was had been alive less than a day. Hey before suspecting foul play he alerted the authorities the next day in another part of the city a man and his two sons out picking blueberries in the smothering summer heat when they happened upon their own mysterious bundle also wrapped in in a red oilcloth. They cautiously untied the package and were met with a similar horror as those boys on the riverbank their discovery and abdomen in two legs. This was the other half of the unknown victim When the Ravenous New York press found out about this latest discovery was on the papers were flooded loaded with questions? who was this unknown man? Who Killed Him? Why did they kill a more disturbingly? Where was the head now like today? New York City was the largest media market in the country. It counted at least a dozen daily newspapers for Roche. Oh sleep competing for eyeballs. All these papers. However they weren't equal the two bowls of the group were The New York Journal and the New York world bitter rivals when this story broke in eighteen ninety seven the New York world was owned by a man named Joseph Pulitzer the namesake of the renowned around Pulitzer Prize? Pulitzer in his New York world. Paper had been the Alpha Dog of the New York newspaper seen he was wildly wealthy and extremely powerful awful he was also older a seasoned Newspaperman. His rival The New York Journal was owned by a young up and coming media. Mogul named William Randolph hearst. Hearst had come to New York by way of California just a few years earlier and he came armed with a mountain of Cash Zhou inherited from family owned gold mines when her set up his newspaper operation in New York he had one goal. Topple Pulitzer's mighty New York world as the most powerful player in news in the most powerful city in America so when this headless torso. You're so story breaks in the summer of eighteen. Ninety seven both pulitzers and hearst's men are ready to pounce after the discovery of the lower half of the body. The race was on the papers printed story after story making wild guesses about the thrilling mystery of the headless torso. Perhaps this was a mafia killing or perhaps it was a new Jack. The ripper working the New York streets but as the story progressed things escalated merely reporting on the case math. That was boring. The focus quickly shifted to solving the case. Both papers hired hired boatmen to dredge the East River in a frenzied attempt to locate the missing head. Next one paper offered a reward to anyone who could crack the case. It's not to be outdone. The other paper doubled the reward. Each paper assigned a horde of reporters to the story. And for weeks these these men derby hats zigzagged around the streets of New York on bicycles chasing leads in Manhattan and beyond as they churned out story after story story circulation numbers for both papers. Sword New Yorkers could not get enough of the sensationalized headless torso story eventually through the one two punch of journalism and law enforcement. The mystery was solved. The identity of the murdered man came into view. You as did the circumstances around his death. It's a complicated story. But here's the summary. The name of the murdered man and was William Golden Zappa. He got caught up in a messy love triangle. Between a woman named Augusta Nack and a guy named Martin Thorn goldens up cawthorn in bed with Augusta and roughed him up pretty good shortly. After Napkin. Thorn hatched a plan to murder Goldens UPA fleet of Germany the and spend the rest of their days. In bratwurst bliss. Their next move was to lure guns up a to a rented apartment in a desolate part of the city. It was an ambush when the unsuspecting man walked in thorn aimed his revolver and kills him with a single shot. And this this is where the crazy really sets in. The two lethal lovers. Make the brilliant decision to dismember the body. They chop goldens up into smaller smaller. Portable pieces that they can more easily dispose of next they sink goldens up his head into VAT of plaster and Bundle the two larger pieces of his body with Red Oilcloth entwine the next day they board a New York ferry and sneak to the back they dropped. The hardened plaster clashed peace with the head into the water and it sank instantly next they cast the headless torso into the river. Assuming it too would sink instead. It floats bobbing up and down in the wake of the boat. This was not the plan. The two of them freak out and decide to wait to discard the lower half of the body until later they ended up dumping it in a blueberry field several miles away now the way these two finally got caught. It was pretty incredible. It's too much to cover here. But we've got a half lick just for you volt subscribers which has all the crazy things journalists did track down these killers. There's once the two were apprehended. The media frenzy gets turned up to eleven. The newspapers had several weeks to prepare for the blockbuster trial when the trial began seventy reporters packed the courtroom. Telegraph lines snaked. All around the floor of the courtroom room. As Pulitzer's New York world had devised a sophisticated system that would allow has newsroom reporters to listen real time not to be outdone and hearst ups the ante this is while he purchases a team of world class racing pigeon and adds them to a staff half of reporters. Here's how that worked hearst stationed illustrators in the courtroom quickly sketched images of the witnesses and the scenes being described ascribed. When they finished a sketch they would roll it up like a scroll and attach it to one of the train? Two birds with the quick flap of the wings they were gone like preprogramed. Avian robots the birds fluid direct path to the Journal's newsroom across town they would dart between Manhattan skyscrapers scrapers and soar high above the east river reaching speeds up to ninety miles per hour. The flight from the courthouse to the newsroom took two minutes once they arrive. Specially trained staff quickly unfurled the birds cargo and transposed the illustrations moments later. The printing presses. Word Word to live giving birth to the afternoon edition. I two PM excited paper. Boys were shouting the headlines on the streets of New York obsessed. It's New Yorkers. Couldn't give them their penny fast. Enough ready to Gawk at the journals. Dramatic headlines and oversized illustrations. The incredible the speed of the entire process gave William Randolph hearst New York Journal competitive edge over Pulitzer's New York world. The trial ended many expected. Both Martin Thorne his lover Augusta. NACK were found guilty of killing. William Golden Supsa four and was sent to the electric chair and Knack was sentenced to ten years in jail. Though New Yorkers moved on from the story journalism never did the relentlessness of the headless torsos story rewrote the rules of American journalism and newsrooms would never be the same now. News Wasn't always this way. This whole fiasco ushered in a brand new era. It was an era where boring facts facts were replaced by thrilling storylines. An era where solving a crime was more important than reporting a crime. An era where selling papers was more important accorded than telling the truth and one were influencing politics was more important than reporting politics and it was an era that perfected the adage. If it bleeds it leads. This new sensationalized era of journalism eventually earned a name yellow journalism. Yellow journalism is a form of reporting known for exaggerating the truth stretching the facts and entertaining readers over educating educating readers. Sound familiar though. It's been around for one hundred years. Most historians agree. The Godfather of Yellow Journalism was was William Randolph. Hearst after the headless torso story hearst's influence and wealth began to explode. You'd he aggressively expanded his media empire snatching dailies in major cities all across the country. It was no secret that hearst had his eye on politics tech's and this network of papers would become his personal. PA system and it worked. He was elected to Congress in nineteen. Oh three and his political ambitions grew from there. Initially most of hearst papers were wealthy coastal cities but it wouldn't stay that way eventually inevitably. It happened William Randolph. Hearst set his affections on the American south if only he could identify the right city if only that city had a paper for sale and if only that paper had a sensational story he could exploit to help grow his brand of blood-soaked journalism. If only my name is harmon. And you're listening to episode. Seven of Catlin look pause. Feel The it's January of nineteen twelve. Atlanta is bursting with the fresh energy of a new year ear and Desperately Hoping Nineteen twelve brings less bloodshed than the nightmarish year. Before the first week of January downtown's forsyth theater boasts. It's new headlining act magician. Eric Weiss. Ads promised this positively the first appearance. It's here of the famous handcuff king direct. From a tour of the universe that handcuff King of course was better known as Houdini while Houdini mystified white audiences in downtown Atlanta. The Atlanta ripper was sharpening his own. ACT FOR ATLANTA's black community city on the morning of January twentieth passersby discovered the lifeless body of a young black woman. Maybe it was a coincidence but this was just one day shy of the year anniversary of the rippers first murder back in January nineteen eleven. The woman I'm an identified was Pearl Williams. They found her body in a field in Atlanta's west end neighborhood just a few blocks from where she lived. One paper paper described a ghastly wound to the throat as the cause of death unsurprisingly. The police arrested a black man for her murder. A guy named Frank Harvey. Apparently he had blood on his clothes and a potato knife in his pocket. When police took him into custody the year had barely begun in the rippers? New Two year campaign was well underway on the morning February. Six ATLANTANS ATLANTANS AWOKE TO A bold headline on the front page of the Atlanta Constitution. I is owner of the Georgia. He'd finally done it William Randolph. Hearst had bulldozed his way into the southern news market fifteen years after that crazy headless. Torsos Story Roy. He'd negotiated the acquisition of a top tier paper in the capital of the New South. The Atlanta Georgia was quickly. Rolled into hearst's massive media media empire once official the constitution ran to articles about the acquisition. Keep in mind Hurst. It acquired their main competitor. The Atlanta Lina Georgia. In the first article reported the facts. Hearst would take charge immediately. There would be no radical changes in policy or management. The paper would be devoted to quote the best interest of the south in quote and finally the two of hearst's most seasoned newspaper executives would be transferred transfer to Atlanta immediately. The second piece was more at to`real in tone and the constitution kept it pretty classy. They only made a passing veiled veiled reference to the well-known New Shenanigans that hearst was known for regardless of Mr Hurst policies or politics. There's no discounting the influence for constructive publicity that characterizes publications the constitution cordially welcomes the newcomer. There is plenty of room in Atlanta. To be honest by the time Hurst arrived in Atlanta the Atlanta papers were already dabbling in their own watered down version of yellow journalism. But this was different. This was the William Randolph hearst. I have to think the constitution staff was probably a little nervous. Would the arrival of hearst's brand of journalism changed the way news was being reported in Atlanta. Only time would tell the smaller newspapers around. Georgia took a sharp eye to the hearst news. The gains will news predicted. Hearst presence would start a quote newspaper war in Atlanta one paper out of the college town of Athens predicted hearst would run for president on the Democratic ticket in Nineteen Sixteen and that Atlanta China was his gateway to southern voters other papers offered similar thoughts but once the news died down these smaller papers resume resume their normal reporting on happenings around the state and by nineteen twelve. They were fully fascinated by the mystery of Atlanta's unknown. The killer down in the sleepy farming town of Thomas Ville the local paper and this headline in February Jack The ripper has thrilling time. The lead if Atlanta gets to be another century old and the colored population remains as it is now both the numbers numbers and and morals. The newspapers will record some fine day in February two thousand nineteen that Jack The ripper has just murdered his sixteen thousand victim victim. I can only assume that for a small Georgia newspaper trashing Atlanta while serving up the side of racism was probably a winning formula back. Then the article goes on to mock Atlanta's ripper obsession and throw some shade at the police for good measure by far my favorite small town news report about Atlanta's ripper comes from the Valdosta Times. Valdosta is another small south Georgia town. Several hundred miles from the big city of Atlanta in February. The paper ran a story with the headline. Declaring girls to wear daggers. The story stated that a queer a fashion trend to take and hold amongst Atlanta's society girls. Apparently these wealthy white girls had begun. Wearing tiny. jeweled daggers in gold sheets chiefs now. It doesn't say how they wore these but I'm assuming it was around their necks. The article quotes a high class Atlanta. Woman she explains that that this new fashion trend is both stylish and functional a bedazzled instrument of self defense perfect for surviving the recent wave of crime. But it gets better. My favorite line from the article. Is this beautiful deadpan. The style will suit in Atlanta. What were roofers are plentiful? Well played Valdosta Times. Well played the sarcasm of the small town papers would soon be swallowed up by the arrival of some new grim news. The body of a young young black woman was found. South of Atlanta on Boeing Avenue in a community called Lakewood Heights. This would be victim number. Seventeen Alice Owens was found with her throat cut and body mutilated though. The constitution didn't give any details beyond that the paper noted that she'd been dragged to a gully and was found the two hundred yards beyond the city limits. This was the iconic pattern of a classic ripper murder after investigating a crime crime scene. Police arrested three different men. One of them was Alice's husband. Charles we don't know why the other two men were arrested. But I'M GONNA go out on a limb and just say there probably wasn't a whole lot of evidence connecting them to the crime now. The same article noted that a man named Lucky Elliott was tried and sentenced to life in prison prison for the murder of a woman named Ida Ferguson like Pearl Williams Ida was murdered in January but only one of the newspapers reported it so this it's lucky. Elliott guy is convicted of killing Haida Ferguson. Meanwhile two more ripper murders occurred just a few weeks later. Maybe lucky did kill this woman. But it's doubtful. Well he was the actual ripper. It's worth noting here that these first three killings of one thousand nine hundred twelve all received much less news coverage than the last few murders of nineteen eleven. They got small write ups of only a few paragraphs buried on later pages. This leads me to believe that interest in this story must have been dying nine for example. The Pearl William Story landed on page five of the Constitution. He got trumped by a front page story about a famous opera singer visiting the Atlanta the Alice Owen story page seven front page news that day. A meeting of advertising executives and a big headline headline that the cost of admission to auto show had been decreased. What small sliver of CARE White Atlanta did show towards these brutal killings appeared it to be evaporating after all? This was a Negro problem I've been studying these murders for several years. Now I have spreadsheets listing the victims names and how they died made scatter plot maps showing where the bodies were found but after a while I realized I was kind of getting numb to all of this. I've always been torn about the media fixation on gory. Murderers and serial killers and death breath. In general I guess. I thought that was kind of a recent thing until I started researching this story look at headlines from one hundred years ago and you'll see tons of macab stories about about people dying in terrible ways. I do think humans are hardwired for this. I think there's something deep in our psyches that's weirdly drawn to death in dark things. I mean. Just think about Halloween. We have an entire holiday dedicated to death. In fear. Economists estimate eight that Americans spend about nine billion dollars a year on Halloween decorations and candy. Nine billion dollars in the whole concept of Halloween is kind of wild when you think about it you walk into your kid's school and there's a bulletin board with jovial skeletons dancing under a full moon. Those are literally dancing. I'm dead people like we're so obsessed with death. We package and market it even to our own children every parent's greatest nightmares their child dying yet. We send them out into the streets dressed as bloody zombies murderous pirates demonic clowns and cultish witches or even worse confederate generals. It's true that human spend their whole lives obsessed with love while fearing death. We're just weird like that and adjacent to our desire for. Love is our desire for empathy. I think is one of the lost jewels of our modern world. I don't know where or when we lost it but we're really really struggling to get it back in. Most people don't even know it's missing but empathy. It asks a lot of us. It asks us to take our eyes ourselves and put them on the plight of someone else. Empathy calls us out of our own heads and pushes us down into a chair. Giving us a front row seat to the suffering of others. I think we struggle with empathy. Because we've all gotten really bad at dealing with negative emotions if we have a device in an Internet connection when we can distract ourselves literally forever we can drown out the negative emotions with light sound and means but empathy. The empathy asked us to look pause and feel so. That's what I've tried to do. Throughout this process the we know almost nothing about these victims except maybe their names and addresses. I've forced myself to look Paul's in feel I look at the the life of Rosa tries. Who lived in the Pittsburgh neighborhood south of Atlanta though? We know what happened to her on that dark night January. I like to imagine her on a warm summer day at backyard barbecue laughing with the baby girl on her hip and her grandmother nearby sitting smiling and beaming with pride. What a good mother Rosa had become? I look at the life of Addie Watts. She may have lived in Reynoldstown. which got its start right? After the civil war ended it was a settlement of newly freed. Slaves slaves I imagine atty sitting with her family bundled up in her humble home on a brisk autumn night. This her grandfather told stories of what slave life was like. Though I'm sure life was still hard. I like to think of them sitting together hopeful singing songs and dreaming of life being better than it was and I look at the life of Alice Williams. Liam's who lived in Lakewood Heights. Perhaps Alice had a couple of sisters that worked alongside or washing clothes. Were preparing food. I like to imagine the three of them playing pranks on each each other and Gossiping and checking out the good looking black guys in the neighborhood and then I allow myself to think about these families. When they received the devastating reading news that their mother daughter sister friend had been taken from them? I've seen three people die in my life. There's a very particular picula type of wailing that happens at the bedside of someone who just died and you never forget it. I imagine that wailing I imagine the tears I imagine the unbearable unbearable loss that these families must have felt. I get that this may sound silly or Corny or even showy. But I've done this this little pausing empathy thing a lot throughout this process. I still do it. I think it keeps me from just logging another victim's name in a spreadsheet. I look Paul's else. And feel. And I believe that keeps my humanity intact and my empathy strong. Meanwhile back in Atlanta empathy isn't faring too well but fear it's about to have a comeback. The ripper burst back into the headlines on February Seventeenth Eighteenth Headline Jack. The ripper threatens invasion of Gainesville Gainesville Georgia was and is a small community sixty miles north of Atlanta the report out of Gainesville. That mysterious letter had arrived at the police headquarters there. It had an Atlanta postmarked. So they knew it was mailed from Atlanta. The letter was written quote in a legible hand and in flaring Red Ink in quote. Here is what the letter said to the chief chief of police in Gainesville dear Sir I will soon visit your city undoubtedly heard of my work here in Atlanta. It has not not been a consequence to what I will do in Gainesville. You had better prepare for me and see that the Negro women behave signed. Atlanta's News Black Jack. The ripper the name was signed on the image of a hand drawn dagger dripping with blood while. We don't have a a picture of this letter. I've recreated it to the specifications mentioned and posted it in the vault. This must have sent the newsman into a frenzy. Everyone who followed the original Jack. The ripper story from the eighteen eighties knew that the killer had written threatening and ominous letters to the London police. In fact if you go to London you can still see some of the original original. Jack's letters also written in red ink. This is a pretty common calling card for serial killers. Lots of modern serial killers have written letters letters to the police and journalists or they just left him at the scene of the crime that list includes the Zodiac killer in California the btk killer in the Midwest and the notorious son of Sam who killed women in New York when the local GAINESVILLE paper published a report about the letter gains was black community completely freaked out as would be expected furthermore if fear of bloodthirsty killer invading your community wasn't enough the article notes. This additional outrage much trouble also as being encountered by white people regarding the service of Negras cooks the majority of whom have been afraid to leave their homes after dark once again. Black people are worried about getting their throats. Cut while white people are worried about getting their corn bread. Gainesville police thought the letter was a hoax. But not not totally. I suppose the final sentence of the article states that they would still quote take precautions against possible outrageous in quote. So was this it. was the ripper getting bolder. was he slowly pulling back the veil on who he was what he takes his Atlanta killing when show on the road or on the tracks rather and of all the towns in Georgia. Why gainesville? That's next time on cat lick elect a a cat lick is recorded in Atlanta's historic Habich town neighborhood executive producer Walnut Ridge harmony armant original music and sound design by Ducey L.. Cover art by Rachel. Eleanor hat lick instagram fan of the week. Haiti mowers Catholic instagram. Hashtag of the week. Melissa Wilson Look Hater of the week Reenen Green Seventy-seven who thinks bt is quote beyond irritating and annoying don't forget to check out Catholic dot com for apparel and merchandise dice inspired by the Catholic era. Course while you're there don't forget the sign up for the bolt. 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The First Time | Legalize Drugs | The Toasty Podcast Ep 22 Part 2

The Toasty Podcast

16:37 min | 11 months ago

The First Time | Legalize Drugs | The Toasty Podcast Ep 22 Part 2

"Toasty. Have you ever smoked weed me? Yeah. And and it wasn't like A. Breath taking moment. You can't. Always like. Just. Let me tell you the first time. Smoke Pot we it was my buddies addict Ron High School, and we went to his win to his attic and. Is. Parents were literally directly below us like directly below. So stupid. Just looking back. It's like how could you just try to get caught and so? Easier to frigging like in. The attic ventilation it's GonNa Smell, and everything. In. We had this little office Max Payne we. Emptied all stuff out and just had this hollow tube and then. Tr- drove a hole in it, and then put this foil for like a little. You know like bowl thing and then and then sealed it with Plato's was unhealthy thing. You could possibly smell because those guy. Stick. I'm not sure if it was like the weed that got me stone or like all the or all. Those the first on news. Watch Mad Max. Group like five of us we wash Mad Max. I have no idea what's going on I? Feel I have a feeling of I'm sober Sobhraj. Not What's going on? I never seen that movie before so. Weird Yeah we're times. But Anyway I, think we're going with this is the legal age no one of the start. Yeah. Wanted to get into it. Talk about like first time for me was you know Like a few years ago right and. where I still don't like dude a lot at all actually really it's. For the job obviously, you know what I mean you can't but. It wasn't what I was getting at when I asked you it wasn't really a breathtaking moment where. You grow up thinking that it's some like. Just out of this world thing. When you get up to it when you step up to bat. The Normal Baseball, right? Yeah. But make sense. Cigarettes. Now that I know the differences and I know what they consist of cigarettes are definitely worse. Oh God hands down worse now going with that. Based on this stuff I started doing research on you know different. Drugs and you know obviously you eat on netflixing you watch the freaking PABLO ESCOBAR DOT Argue Watch narcos not even undocumented to freak show but does. Does follow his life pretty well. And Interesting Guy Realize That it was never about a you or me. Wasn't about your safety ish out think. people are not stupid I. think that people know when they see someone die of something, they may not necessarily want that. Right. So you WanNa talk about people that dude anyway, we have it. There's. Anyway, they know they're going to die well, I don't think. So where did this all start and I started doing all his freaking research like why would anyone ever want this you know and and? You know. I. Get down this road. I'm finally at the end and I'm seeing. What the government has done and I think that. They did it for. Money And politics. Politics. And Definitely international politics and I feel like. Now they may be the ones keeping it going. and. This I came to this conclusion before we even before even hit this year this is conclusions I've had forever I've been able to local forever this year just awesome up upright. 'cause I keep hitting these points where it's like, why is this the weight is government? Why is this the way? It is government wise this the way it is governments all these things piling on piling on piling on and here I am doing a podcast about it. GOING WITH THAT Legal Substances? I think should be. Universal Universal there should be a legal substance. Yeah. Yeah I think. I think if arsenic is legal I don't see why like heroin me. So you're telling you can't get addicted arsenic I, get that and in my thing is I don't believe in. Government giving you clean needles and stuff like that. That's Their addicted to heroin anyway Muslim make it safe. It's like no, it's not the government's responsibility at all healthcare's. That it's it's it's an individual's responsibility not to do heroin and you're making it easier on purpose. Yeah. I'm no longer under the impression that it's for safety I'm tired of believing that in. Were really comes down to his. Games they tired of bleeding conspiratorial but it it's big. Pharma Big Pharma suppressing the suppressing the medicinal use of marijuana. sounds crazy when I say it out loud but the medicinal use of cocaine. It was used as a medicine for one hundred years. Hundreds of years before it was outlaw people are crazy. It was in coca-cola is still isn't Coca Cola. True. Facts still includes we're not. Sit cocaine that's unlikely. Dumping kilos into the coca vats or anything but the COA leaf is. I think. That Gif I want to say, it's New York. To See some Colombian guy like that guys that But. The. New York. Go Straight from Columbia to this one only one location in the entire. US never special federal exemption to produce. To produce a by product of the coca leaf in its is a main ingredient in coca. Why Coke? Is the way it is there's no substitute for coke. Coca Cola. Yeah. Yeah. Okay Wow. Dr Pepper Right. Great. I'm a I'm a Texan, but doctors know my favorite. Flavors Bro and none of them include. Kane weird drink. Well not. On. Drugs. Caffeine's drug, Milk Jug. Do you WanNa talk about frigging drugs being illegal. Addiction Mental. Yeah it's not. It's whole. Today's at all I would say at all but it's not substance based at all it can be genetic. That's about all I believe is more. Genes that are the contract addiction. Or Yeah. The rest of it's definitely just. It's all mental yet. For. Sure. A lot of his mental, a lot of environmental. If everybody around US doing it, you're going to do to that's still meant, right? Yeah. It comes back but everyone wants to blame these substances for being addictive. It's a is it? No No but how did they market cigarettes when they came out? Well. There have a smoke everybody was doing tobacco I mean tobacco became popular in the. Yeah you're. Right everybody. I've also done like June tobacco tastes totally different. Right. Closure was was smoking tobacco. Smoking pipe tobacco that was the common method, and then they started rolling it into cigars on eventually cigars became cigarettes because they were mass produced in inject with all these crazy crazy. Now now, people have finally had enough research money to research. Different types of different types of weed or what's in marijuana and been able to separate it out. Now have CBD oil this D. Cream that you know CBD pills or whatever the heck they are and thc this and whatever and. I've got I know people that are given CBD to their to their dogs. Yeah. Let me see. It's a pretty benign substance. It's whatever my my. My point is it always seems the track that. We learn. That what's been illegal? Or something that's crazy to people turns out has good things in it. Yeah absolutely and there's never. Why can't we? Why? When are we gonNA learn that and just be like. Whole on before we just stop and say it's all bad. Let's. Let's research this a little bit more. It's just like we were talking about emotionally emotionally stopping. In reacting and making the Patriot Act. Let me rephrase being reactionary and making the Patriot Act with emotions is not good. Stop think look back. When we when did we even when did we even make all the substances legal? So. In the those huge scare campaign in a lot of people say it's from William Randolph hearst because he owned of timber companies in Hamp was replacing timber as the main source of fiber for paper and for cardboard and all that stuff rope. Was it actually? How much of a competition was that huge? For Real. Absolutely. Yeah. Hemp is way more useful than than timber. Okay I guess there's more efficient. Safe. For, the environment. I know I know that they already had such a big. Like Timber Company and they had a big like you know. The first expert of the of the colonies. Okay expert. So I'm saying, how was how did it catch the hip art catch up to the to the manufacturing status timber because hinders way easier to manufacture than timber? Oh, don't grow old tree you're growing plants you grow. Your about you chop it down and the methodologies. Super Easy. You just like whack it until until the. Iraq. The stock until the fibers break apart and you eat the fibers together whatever you want you can compress him into you can. You can make plastics out of it give me plastic side of him I've heard about that too. You can make close you plastics you make rope. See My my thing is too is that Did they make growing hemp illegal. the only place legally us for was legal in the US it's still is is Kentucky. Because they've had vast fields of hemp to grow hand on, but you can't grow him California list for. I think you will hemp is totally different than it's not the same thing. No. Of Cannabis but. So, him has a very low THC or tetrahydrocannabinol. Level I've heard that you have to smoke a joint the size of a telephone pole to get high off of him. Which is Saying why did so why did they all of a sudden be umbrella under cannabis in illegal because? Of William Randolph hearst supposedly, he owned newspapers right in the Nineteen Thirties and early and late twentieth. How do you own all of newspapers? Her Snooze heard of the hearst corporation. Monopoly on newspapers it wasn't a monopoly. There's thousands of newspapers across the US. They weren't having been since the US around the printing printing presses have been around for forever. As as early as the eighteen. Seventeen eighty and seventeen seventies. Seventeen sixties. Printing press was becoming more popular and more available to printers. All these little like microbreweries breweries like after Jimmy Carter League is `boring. Is like all these different Small newspapers sprung up everywhere and so people were getting information like that. It was like the Internet of time. and. Of course, the post offices delivering these newspapers. So that's how they're making money. Everybody reads newspapers back. Then everybody who could read which wasn't everybody. Probably like forty percent of the population at the most holy cow where he presented, I should say forty percent of the white population. Yeah. Probably one percent of slaves were literate I mean obviously they weren't gonNA allow them to be and so it. Was Illegal. So in the Nineteen Thirties William, Randolph hearst owns these newspapers will because he's a smart businessman, he also owns the timber companies that he buys the paper from. Yeah. So he doesn't want those I don't know why didn't just by all the him companies that's the thing. That's why this whole thing all a lot of sense I've heard it from other places but. Essentially, there's there's this huge push by the Herr's corporation and others to basically make campaign marijuana the same thing horrible. There was a movie called Gosh. What was it called something. Madness like. Kosh Madness Herbert Marijuana. Or something Let me look. Reefer madness. So reefer madness was as movie in the thirties one say thirty. Thirty Mattis what reefer madness and it was just the most racist vile piece of garbage movie. I mean, it's got like thirty nine percent rotten tomatoes. So yeah is this is raises basically said that like all these white women were being raped by by these black men that were high on cannabis you know. All. This garbage. Racist Garbage total miss being perpetrated by. This movie. And popular sentiment. Popular movie back in the day you're you're talking about movie. Who thinks that movies are controlled by the government now? The knock I don't think they are at all I don't think they are no nothing Hollywood has anything China has more to do with it. They absolutely haven't wanted. I'm just saying you seen them about this movie that was basically designed to scare people into not wanting yet. We'll hers probably owned I mean he does newspapers you think you might own movie studio or two yeah. So you make sense. Okay. He had already invested all along those money in in timber timber industry. So he's like I don't need this hemp stuff getting popular. Manufactured so easily. So he ran a campaign against it eventually got lumped in the same category and they outlawed everything completely Late thirties or forties. Yup and then it was like it's bad for you. We gotTA outlaw if it's bad for you in addicted, we've got outlaw. And then they started doing with every substance. That's how the Eighteenth Amendment came into being the prohibition Seventeenth Amendment Seventeenth. Amendment Prohibition Eighteenth Repeal of Prohibition I think I might be eight, hundred, seventy on well. Yeah. So they realize how bad of an idea prohibition was. Franca. Hall I think they're starting to realize how bad it is. We're just married. Things are starting to realize how silly it is to to. Outlaw marijuana like thirteen or fifteen states have legalized. It completely know why I mean like straight up you revenue. Well not not only that but you're talking about how we're realizing this stuff all of a sudden and you know. I'm going to say it has to do with with our generation. You know even you said that our generation is gonNA, change things. Yeah for sure. Yeah. We're not. We're not gloating. Are they saying that we're looking at crowd is crap and we're like, what? Why why is this been going on? So long toasty.

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Thomas Ince Pt. 1

Unexplained Mysteries

45:28 min | 1 year ago

Thomas Ince Pt. 1

"I November Seventeen nineteen twenty four Tori. Ichi Chee Konno's sat with his legs crossed on dockside bench watching the yachts and sailboats. Come and go in San Diego Bay. It was a sunny Monday morning morning. Kono worked for the famous actor Charlie Chaplin and he was picking chaplain up after a weekend away on the Oneida Ada. A yacht owned by the notorious newspaper. Tycoon William Randolph. Hearst heat arrived early to ensure chaplain didn't didn't have to wait chaplains. onscreen character the tramp had made him a fortune at the time chaplain was one of the highest paid actors. There's in Hollywood and Kono was compensated. Accordingly for timeliness but the next boat that arrived wasn't the Oneida. It was a water taxi with two frantic men inside Kona watched as one tied off. The boat jumped out and ran toward the harbormasters office. Something was wrong. Kono recognized the man who stayed behind his name. Was Daniel Goodman a film production manager. He must have been on the yacht with chaplain. But why did he come back. Early within moments several deckhands returned to the boat and lifted out a figure gear on a stretcher. Whoever it was appeared to be shaking and moaning as the group drew closer Kono notice the injured man in had blood on his shirt and what looked like a tiny bullet wound on the side of his head? Kono strained to see the victim's face a chill ran down his spine. It was Thomas Ins- a famous film executive. Who'd been at the Party with Charlie? Something terrible terrible had happened. Aboard William Randolph hearst's yacht. Welcome to unexplained mysteries a podcast original. I'm your host Molly and I'm your host host Richard in life. There's so much we don't know but in this show we don't take. We don't no for an answer every Thursday. We investigate eight the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth you can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. I over ever you listen to podcasts to stream unexplained mysteries for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type unexplained mysteries in the search search bar at par cast. Were grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever wherever you're listening it really does help. This is our first episode on the mysterious death of pioneering film producer. Thomas Ins- he died under suspicious circumstances following a weekend of partying on media. Mogul William Randolph. Hearst Yacht this week we'll look at and hearst backgrounds and we'll examine the infamous yacht party that ended the filmmakers life. Allegedly Thomas INSKIP. It's got indigestion from a combination of salted foods and alcohol and then died of a heart attack but next week will explore three alternative alternative theories surrounding ince's death all of which claim he was shot. Some say it was an accident others that he was viciously initially murdered in cold blood. When movie producer Thomas Inst- died in nineteen twenty before he was one of the most famous and influential figures in the film industry? He was only forty four. His death shocked the public but it was only one of several Hollywood scandals in the early nineteen twenties in nineteen twenty one comedian fatty arbuckle was accused used of rape and murder. His subsequent trials created a media frenzy in nineteen twenty. Two director and actor. William Desmond Taylor was murdered by an unknown assailant. The case was never solved and in nineteen twenty three. The popular actor Wallace Reid need died of a drug overdose. Shedding light on the industry's growing substance abuse problem so when inst- died in nineteen twenty four. The rumor mill kicked into high gear. The public knew he'd spent the weekend aboard William Randolph hearst yacht and they knew how much power and influence fluence. Hearst had he was one of the biggest media executives in the world he owned a palatial home in San Simeon California and and his yacht was two hundred feet of luxury and vice. It had taken Thomas Ins- nearly twenty five years of work to get to the point where he'd earned an invite vied Thomas inside. His journey to the scandalous world of Hollywood parties began when he was born in eighteen eighty in in Newport Rhode Island. His parents were immigrants from England and both worked does actors known as Tom to his friends and family. INS- was the second of three sons short and stocky. He was ruggedly handsome. With serious demeanor. He made his Broadway debut while still a teenager in the late. Eighteen ninety s over the next decade. He established a reputation as a hard working. Comedic actor then. During a performance in nineteen nineteen o seven. He met actress Elinor Kershaw known as Nell to her friends. They married in October of that year. After the wedding inst- began working in the Vaudeville circuit while also writing and producing his own plays after stints with theatre companies in Cleveland and Cincinnati He. He traveled back to New York in the fall of nineteen ten upon his return. Money was tight. Nell had recently given birth to their first child William INS- needed to find his next job and fast one afternoon while hitting the pavement in in Times Square. He saw an actor friend getting out of a car his name Joseph Smiley. The two went to lunch INS learned that Smiley. She had started working for a small film studio in New York called The Independent Motion Picture Company or IMP. At the time it was New York. ORC Not Hollywood. That was home to America's budding movie Industry Ins was dismissive of motion pictures. At first he believed that a movie movie carried with it none of the final ethics and romance of the stage but with a new baby at home in rent to pay for his Harlem apartment and I had no other option when Smiley offered to help him find a job he agreed the to set out to sea. IMP STUDIOS ON FIFTY Sixth Street. When they arrived in some mmediately recognized actors? He knew after some time in the studio he was impressed. Crest despite his original reservations smiley had a quick conversation with the director. Harry solter he told Solter that INS- was an an actor and was looking for work. Luckily Solter was aware of instance reputation and took a chance on him without an audition or screen test. He hired into play the main character's husband in a film they were already shooting. Apparently INS- wow them within a few days. He was offered a permanent job. As a company actor upon learning that had entered the film industry other companies took an interest in him at the time. Movies were silent and INS- wasn't the only actor reluctant to make the switch from stage to screen experienced performers where a hotly Lee sought after commodity. Incest wife now was already working for a moving company. Called Bio graph. Enter director offered INSTA- leading role in another movie. Entitled his new lead the picture was filmed and released in November of nineteen ten. It was well received an an insight began to realize that film work offered a number of advantages. well-placed took place indoors on a man made set with artificial light movies. Movies could be filmed outdoors using real landscapes and buildings to a production minded writer and actor like ends. The possibilities seemed endless. He used the success of his first film to improve his standing at IMP. He understood that he was too short for most lead roles and didn't want to do anymore character work so ins- convinced his bosses to let him try directing at the time. Directors played the roles of modern producers screenwriters and editors films were usually shot on one real and lasted only fifteen minutes. They were relatively easy easy undertakings. But anyone willing to put in extra effort could make a picture that stood out. By December of Nineteen Ten Thomas inside inserted his directorial debut and once again he impressed his employers. The owner of IMP offered INSA promotion a permanent position as one of the company's directors soon he was assigned to work with one of the Times leading movie actresses Mary. Pickford Byrd known as America's sweetheart. She'd recently come to imp from biographies. INST- directed Pickford in nearly forty short movies in nineteen eleven many of which he also wrote but despite his successes he wanted even more of a challenge that fall he learned that at the New York Motion Picture Corporation was moving. Its operations to California for the winter the N. y. m. p. owned a small satellite studio radio in Los Angeles called Bison Studios it included. Several outdoor sets us to shoot westerns during the east coast. Colder months as as it turned out they were hiring INS- interviewed with NY MP to be their lead director for the winter season. They offered him the job for almost three times. What I M P paid in October of nineteen eleven? Just a year after his introduction to the movie industry INS- and his family boarded a train for Los Angeles at the time. Westerns made up more than twenty five percent of all the films produced by the movie industry. They were especially popular on the East Coast in directed manny. He also set his westerns apart. He shot on location John and cast real native American actors as well as performers from Popular Wild West show to give his films a sense of authenticity in his story lines also grew longer he was actually one of the first directors to shoot a film onto reels while he had his skeptics. The box office soon. Put them to rest everything. Thomas inst- touched made money. As The New York motion picture company grew insult winces. Bosses decided to extend his stay in California indefinitely when he expressed interest in expanding their movie sets. The company approved the purchase. Just of an eighteen thousand acre plot of land in Santa Ynez Canyon right along the Pacific Ocean. The spot became known as inside. Bill it had multiple sound stages offices a cafeteria and dressing rooms among its various sets were a Japanese village. A Puritan settlement and pirate ship anchored in the bay. It was the world's first permanent movie studio with these resources INS- since continued to evolve. His work his innovations included creating the role of the movie producer and hiring three separate people to serve as the director script script writer and editor for his projects. He pioneered our modern concept of a movie studio and soon his projects expanded to feature length. He was also one of the first to shoot multiple films at the same time. His studio began producing as many as three movies a week. Raking enormous amounts of money. His success was instrumental in helping to establish Hollywood as the country's new movie capital capital but his newfound prominence came with a price ins- became the subject of celebrity gossip. nope though he portrayed himself as an upstanding family man one rumor suggested he was having an affair with one of instals actresses a rising star named Margaret Livingston. Another said that he used his position of power to abuse secretaries and other women then who worked underneath him true or not. The rumors didn't seem to have any impact on insists marriage or on his wildly successful career her in nineteen fifteen inch and two other well known producers D W Griffith and. Mack Sennett teamed up to create the Triangle Angle motion picture company. Three years later he sold his stake in triangle and opened his own independent movie studio in Culver City which he call the Thomas H in studios that studio went onto eventually become part of Arcadio radio. Pictures then Culver Studios House sold by Sony to investors in two thousand four but in the early nineteen twenties INS and his studio. Were finding it harder and harder to compete. Hollywood studios and production companies were consolidating into major corporations as the demand for bigger better and flashier. Your movies grew ins- valued his creative independence and resisted the change but he paid a heavy price for his convictions. The industry he'd helped create was now threatening to bankrupt him. Rumours began to spread that insight was washed up and that his studio L. was going under looking for ways to fight back inside with cosmopolitan productions the company. They had produced several blockbusters in recent years and had just terminated its contract with paramount pictures. If he could get cosmopolitan to shoot at in studios he might be able to get his finances and his career back on track. The owner of cosmopolitan productions was was none other than newspaper. Magnate William Randolph. Hearst in the fall of nineteen twenty four INS- began talks with hearst by I November hearst invited in to a party on his yacht and aunts. Couldn't say no nobody said no to William Randolph hearst. Coming up the rise of William Randolph. Hearst and the fall of fact-based based journalism podcast listeners. I'm thrilled to tell you about our newest shocking king series. It's called secret societies and you can hear it every Thursday starting now secret societies. 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Lie Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story forty four year old old Thomas. Aunts had gone from a niece stage actor to an elite Hollywood producer in less than a decade. Not only did he build and operate the first full-time movie studio in America. But he pioneered many of the production methods we still use today but by nineteen twenty four. His independent studio was struggling to compete with as much. Larger competitors and rumors spread that he was on the verge of bankruptcy desperate to get back on firm financial ground. He began talks with an industry. Acquaintance William Randolph. Hearst the owner of cosmopolitan productions INS- hope to strike a deal with hearst to have all cosmopolitans movies made at INSA studios at the time sixty one year old. I was one of the wealthiest and most influential men in America but hearst liked to paint a different humbler picture. Her he referred to himself as an ordinary American Brad. His upbringing was anything but ordinary. Hurst's father other was a senator from California who's made millions during the California gold rush born in San Francisco. Hurst attended a boarding school on the East East Coast before entering Harvard. In the fall of eighteen eighty two. It was there that he began working in the industry that would make him so powerful. He became the business manager for the Schools Humor magazine. The Harvard Lampoon when I began the Lampoon was spending more money on production in costs than it was bringing in that was unacceptable and hearst knew how to turn things around. He solicited local retailers to advertise. He also sent out letters to alumni encouraging them to purchase subscriptions during hearst's tenure. The magazine turned a profit and increased increased its circulation by fifty percent. Though hearst was devoted to the Harvard Lampoon. He was an indifferent student. His poor your academic record wasn't helped by his love of practical jokes like sending a picture of a donkey to his professor with a note. Now there are two jackasses asses in the room another time. He sent a series of gifts to his teachers all chamber pots but the teachers names embossed inside the bowls does. His pranks didn't win him. Any support amongst the faculty and in the fall of his senior year. They voted to expel him for bad behavior. Sure and even worse grades aside from embarrassing his father. The expulsion had little effect on Hurst. His Idol Was New York publisher Joseph Pulitzer the editor of the widely. Read New York World At newspaper leaving school only allowed Hurst to put his journalism. Journalism ambitions and talents to use in the real world as luck would have it. Her father had purchased the newspaper. The San Francisco Oh examiner in one thousand nine hundred eighty in eighteen eighty seven. He agreed to let her run it. It had been hemorrhaging money for years. Anyway hearst I put the same energy into the examiner that he'd put into the Lampoon out in the real world I was a workhorse. He reportedly put and more than twelve hours. Every day. Taking cues from Pulitzer's New York world he started by overhauling the examiners design he increased priest the size of the headlines and reduced the clutter of ads on the front page. He was one of the first to realize the importance of the banner headline in Large Block. Letters letters using it to grab people's attention. He recognized the value of catchphrases as well. He came up with the slogan monarch of the daily's and searched for the best writers. He could find in time both Mark Twain and Jack London would have articles printed in the examiner Hearst also overhauled the printing equipment and expand the paper from six to ten pages. He wanted to make the examiner more like the papers he'd read in Boston and New York above all else who. I had a knack for knowing what readers wanted. His new stories read like action. Novels designed primarily to entertain tantalize. The reporting of facts became almost secondary when what a hotel was consumed by fire in April of eighteen eighty seven. A large headline blared hungry frantic flames beneath the article. Read the flames leap madly upon the splendid pleasure palace encircling del Monte in their ravenous embrace leaping being higher higher higher with desperate desire appalled panic-stricken the breathless fugitives gaze upon the scene of terror. He also brought a new focus to crime stories. Increasing their presence from ten percent to nearly twenty five percent of the paper investigative reporters played the role of heroes. Uncovering criminal conspiracies that were allegedly rampant in the city within two two years the examiner had surpassed its competitors the chronicle and the call and had become the most widely read paper in San Francisco by the eighteen nineties. Hearst was looking for opportunities to expand his influence. He wanted more than a newspaper he wanted an empire empire. Hurst set his sights on the New York market. Where his old idol Joseph Pulitzer still loomed large in eighteen ninety five with seven years of journalistic experience under his belt? Hearst purchased the struggling New York Morning Journal once again he began and implementing changes and after only one year. It was successful enough to start publishing an evening edition. But his sites were still set higher at that time. Joseph Pulitzer's New York world had the biggest circulation in the country. In fact many of hearst's successful restful strategies had been copied from his competitor. But hearst made it his mission to surpass Pulitzer he did anything he could to undermine in his former idol and current rival raising the quality of the Penny paper even forced Pulitzer follow suit and reduce his prices. As the two papers battled one another stories became more extravagant often accompanied by vivid illustrations. The goal was to elicit an emotional reaction rather than simply report. The news people could get news anywhere. If readers wanted something exciting they had go to hearst or Pulitzer by offering more money and better benefits. I also managed to lure several prominent editors and cartoonists from the New York. World many brought their entire staff along with them following the presidential election of eighteen. Ninety six hearst sold more than one point five million copies of his papers in a single day he stated this is not only unparalleled in the history of the world world but hitherto undreamed of in the realm of modern journalism hearst valued lurid descriptions. Half truths and outright distortions distortions over fact-based news reporting one critic Edwin Lawrence Godkin of the nation's stated they talk incessantly not not in the way of instruction but simply to incite by false news and stimulates savage passions by atrocious suggestions it. It was the rise of yellow journalism originally named after a cartoon or perhaps a play on words. Historians are unsure however it came about about the phrase refers to a hyperbolic style of news coverage but these falls distorted narratives soon had massive consequences in eighteen ninety six. Hearst turned his attention to the independence movement in Cuba at the time the island was still a colony of Spain. Gene and many Cubans were beginning to tire of Spanish rule there despite having no evidence. Hearst claimed that Cuban prisoners were being mistreated suggesting that the Spanish were using the tactics of the infamous inquisition of centuries past. Another hearst. Newspaper story claimed that Spanish soldiers were strip searching female rebels in print. These allegations were accompanied by graphic and lurid illustrations. And the fact that most of these atrocities likely never happened was of no interest to hearst. He peddled the fake news and the public consumed consumed it. It worked at one point. Hearst sent a photo journalist to the Cuban capital Havana he wanted someone to collect images of the fight for independence when the photographer got there he sent a message back to hearst saying that the city was peaceful fall. Hearst famously told him to stay put adding you furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war and believe it or not. He did in February of eighteen ninety eight a US battleship called the main exploded while docked in Havana harbor though no no evidence was ever produced to prove it was sabotage hearst's papers claimed. This was the first strike in villainous Spanish attack against the US military daily headlines and op-eds regularly called for war a few months later the world responded the US US invaded Spanish territories in Cuba. Puerto Rico and the Philippines. I happily took credit. He ran the headline. How do you like the Journal's war thanks to antics like this by the turn of the twentieth century hearst was one of the most notorious men in America having won the New York News market he purchased newspapers in Chicago? Detroit Los Angeles and Boston. He even branched into the magazine in business and bought cosmopolitan good housekeeping and the fashion magazine. Arbor's bazaar his hunger for power or didn't end there in nineteen O two. He entered politics and was elected to the US House of Representatives as a Democrat a year later at the age of forty hearst married and staying true to his ambitions. The marriage was as much about politics. As Romance. His wife millicent. Willson was just twenty one years old. She worked as a dancer. And Singer on Broadway hearst had a passing interest in her but a vested one in her parents who had been in Vaudeville. Her mother also owned a brothel in New York City. This brothel was connected to the democratic political machine known as Tammany Hall any aspiring New York. Democrat needed that organization support if they hope to win state elections for hearst. Marrying the daughter of New Yorkers with Tammany Hall connections was away to ensure future cheer political success in Nineteen. Oh four with his marriage sealed in a baby on the way hearst decided to run for president he spent two million dollars to secure the Democratic nomination but he was considered a radical liberal and it was difficult to gain favor over many. The of the party's more centrist candidates. He eventually lost the nomination to Alton B Parker and was re elected to his seat in the House of Representatives additives that fall but being junior representative didn't suit hearst. He wanted an executive position so beginning in nineteen o five. He tried to make it happen. He ran for governor of New York once and twice for mayor but his notorious reputation as a media mogul and purveyor of yellow journalism came back to haunt him. He lost all three races and finally retired from politics for good in nineteen o nine after his years pursuing public office. Hearst doubled down on expanding his influence in media in in nineteen o nine he created the international news service an agency that provided information reports two papers around the world in nineteen and fourteen. He created hearst Metro News. It was a service showed newsreels to theatergoers before their movies. It was yet another avenue. You for spreading hearst's warped version of the truth. Hearst Metro news was his first entry into the world of cinema but it wouldn't be his last during the twenty s one. In every four Americans got their news from hearst owned company this gave him in an unprecedented amount of influence over politics and public opinion together with his wealth. It also made him a target for criticism as Texas Christian University historian. Ben Procter has stated hearst was at times the most hated man in America. Aw that hatred also spread to his mistress actress Marion Davies hearst and Marion had dated for years. Even though he was still hill married to millicent and had five sons allegedly hearst really only had eyes for Marian he showered her with gifts and affection and promised her anything she desired so when she said she wanted to be a movie star he made it happen in nineteen eighteen gene hirst INC cozma politics productions naming it after his famous magazine. He signed a deal to us. Paramount Pictures Studios. How's paramount in turn would get the rights to many of the stories in hearst publications hearst immediately hired Marian and began mm promoting her as the star of cosmopolitan productions? He used his vast network of newspapers magazines and newsreels to bring her name name and face to the public. Marian was nearly thirty five years younger than her first and he was hopelessly devoted to her as his contract with paramount expired. Marian introduced hers to a man with Studio space. A man named Thomas ends a man who would die. Hi after partying on hearst's yacht coming up. We'll explore Thomas Ince's mysterious final hours now back to the story in nineteen twenty four film. Pioneer Thomas INS sought new production companies is to partner with at his studios in Culver City. California at the same time media. Mogul William Randolph. Hearst was looking for a new studio for his his company Cosmopolitan productions in November nineteen twenty four as the two discussed potential partnership hearst invited INS since for a weekend cruise on his yacht. The ONEIDA was an impressive. Two hundred feet long in required a crew of thirty five sailors it was the floating counterpart to his elegant and ever expanding mansion in San Simeon hearst castle. The yacht was due to set sail. On Saturday. Saturday November fifteenth. Hearst passed along an invitation to incent his wife promising networking opportunities and celebrity guests. They would leave Los Angeles sale down to San Diego. The first day and return on Monday morning. His wife now decided not to go. One of their sons wasn't feeling well and she knew that I had a reputation for throwing parties filled with sex booze and all night carousing. The country was in the midst of prohibition but the laws didn't seem to apply an hearst yacht. There was always more than enough alcohol on board. Oddly enough hearst himself didn't drink ever methodical he liked to play the role of the gracious and paternal host while others let loose. He never stopped scheming and he always had a plan in mind for his guests including Thomas Sense though his wife decided to stay home. Thomas agreed to go to the party but he would have to miss the first leg of the journey and meet them on Sunday in San Diego. Oh his latest film. The Mirage was premiering an INS needed to attend hearst concurred. It was a plan on on Saturday. The ONEIDAS set sail and insulin to his premier after the screening you stopped by his home kissed his wife and sons goodbye and took a late train to San Diego. He boarded the Oneida around noon. On Sunday November sixteenth it was coincidentally his forty forty fourth birthday accounts of what happened aboard the Oneida are limited and varying but from what we can gather. It seems that when ins- arrived arrived he and I immediately got business out of the way they had lunch together. The talks reportedly went well and they agreed to have their attorneys start. Art drafting a contract with work finished. The partying began champagne and wine flowed in abundance anchored hankered three miles from the coast. They were out of reach of. US Law however like hearst INS- also didn't drink. He had a history. Three of ulcers small sores caused by an overabundance of stomach acid and often inflamed by stress. Ulcers could be exacerbated by alcohol alcohol so inst- typically abstained at some point in the afternoon snack on salted almonds may seem like an inconsequential quench detail. But given his history of ulcers sodium rich foods were strictly off limits for him but it was his birthday and he just just agreed to a lucrative contract. A few salted almonds wouldn't kill him as afternoon. Turn to evening. The guest mad in the dining room for supper among the twenty people known to have been present were Charlie Chaplin novelist. Eleanor Glynn Hurst Mistress Marion Davies. He's and the actresses aileen pringle and Seena Owen. Several others have been rumored to be on board as well including Margaret Livingston. The popular peeler actress. That ends may have been having an affair with Abigail kin solving secretary to Marian Davies and gossip columnist named the Wella. Ella Parsons during dinner. Toast were given in honor of his birthday. Guests also toasted to the health of his eight-year-old son. Richard whose birthday was coming up at the end of the month. Elinor Glyn allegedly remarked that it was bad. Luck for instance drink water for a toast host cell. Despite doctor's orders to steer clear of alcohol inspe- picked up a glass of champagne. It became the first of many the events are fairly straightforward up to this point but after dinner it becomes difficult to separate fact from fiction. The official report put out of course by hearst. Newspapers says that during the night ins- became ill with indigestion champagne and assaulted almonds had combined to wreak havoc on his ulcers on Monday morning. INSTA- cited to go home early to see a doctor. He was accompanied it by Daniel Goodman I. Production Manager Goodman was a trained physician but no longer practiced medicine together. They took a water taxi. Back to San Diego Bay from there goodman escorted INS- onto a train bound for Los Angeles but his condition worsened and they decided to disembark embark at del Mar just twenty miles north of San Diego. They went to a hotel not a hospital where they were able to allegedly. There's some a doctor and a nurse. INS- was supposedly stabilized in del Mar and his family was notified. They hurried to be with him bringing in his personal physician along. The INS families stayed the night in del Mar before returning together to Los Angeles. The next day at home on Tuesday day seemed to recover but then in the early morning hours of Wednesday November nineteen forty eight hours after disembarking the Oneida data he had a heart attack. His family was at his side when he died. At least that's the official shoulder. Version endorsed by hearst's newspapers but within hours of his reported death rumors to the contrary started spreading though no no copy exists of Wednesday mornings Los Angeles Times which was not owned by hearst. It's headlines Supposedly blared movie producer. Producer shot on hearst's yacht. Charlie Chaplin's Assistant Toy Ahe Kono allegedly sought ins- brought out of the boat with what looked like a a gunshot wound to his head. He said to have told his wife who then told others. If KONNO's claim is true then clearly we something other than indigestion was going on but did Kono really make that allegation if Konno ever spoke publicly about that weekend there's no record of it though sensational headlines about a movie producer. Getting shot may run in the morning by evening. There was no oh mentioned in the Times at all the story read that INS- had come down with a case of acute indigestion and later died but that didn't stop the rumours from swirling and of course they reached hearst himself according to film pioneer. D W Griffith all you have to due to make her first turn white as a ghost is mentioned in his name. There's plenty wrong there. But hearst his too big to touch skeptics skeptics have produced several interesting alternative theories about what happened on board the Oneida that fateful weekend they can be broken down into three a distinct scenarios. Perhaps hearst killed in S- when he discovered ins had a romantic involvement with hearst's mistress. Marion Davies or INS was mistaken for someone who was involved with Davies. Alternatively the shooting may have been accidental involving having a drunken scuffled that broke out below deck. INS- wasn't even in the room but when a gun was fired it passed through a wall and hit ins- in the head in this scenario hearst covered up the accident because he didn't want reports about a drunken brawl in his yacht. During the height of prohibition nor did he want to deal with multiple criminal investigations and our last theory claims that Marion Davies Secretary. Abigail Kim solving murdered Thomas INS INS had allegedly sexually assaulted abigail months earlier. impregnating her on the yacht. She finally saw the opportunity for revenge wanting to avoid a scandal hearst hushed it all next week. We'll explore floor. 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E15: The Silent Man in the Tower

Catlick

53:18 min | 1 year ago

E15: The Silent Man in the Tower

"Hey there Catholic fans bt here thanks so much for tuning into episode fifteen. Hey Real quick I want to give you a heads up regarding something really cool. We've got planned our cat lick podcast. Finale is quickly approaching and we want to close it out with a bang so on March fourteenth. We're hosting a cat lick live event here in Atlanta. We've got an amazing night plan end of behind the scene stories inspiring speakers and even more crazy Atlanta history. I've had the privilege to connect with so many of you and nothing would make me happier than meeting you in person so I hope you'll join us. Save the date March the fourteenth stick around until the end of the episode. And I'll give you the inside scoop on early bird ticket pricing okay. That's all enjoy the show It's around four am on the morning of April twenty-seventh seventh nineteen thirteen and a handful of men are gathered in the dark and musty basement of the National Pencil Company. In downtown Atlanta a lantern is their only we source of light as they stare at the cold body of a factory employee. Thirteen Year Old Mary Fagan among these men are seasoned police veterans Teran's alone newspaper reporter and a black man named Newt. Lee Newton was the factories nightwatchman. Who discovered the body about an hour earlier? The men crouched to get a closer look. Her face was bruised and there was a gash in the back of her head. Her body was covered in and black soot and cinders. A cord was wrapped around the girl's neck indicating strangulation as the cause of death and finally clear signs signs of sexual assault. Run Mary Higgins Body including the men continued their search fanning out to canvas. The dimly lit underground ground chamber. This scan of the crime scene turned up even more clues. A blood stained handkerchief one of Mary fagin shoes removed from her foot and tossed aside a trail cut into the dirt of the basement leading from the freight elevator. This suggested yesterday that the body had been brought down the elevator in dragged to its current location. They also observed in the far corner of the basement. A door which led to a back alleyway behind the factory now this door was normally nailed shut however it showed evidence of having been pried open. Of course the most intriguing clue discovered that night were two notes. Lying in the trash around Mary Higgins Body they were written by hand but roughly scrawled. Here's what the first note said quote. He said he would love me. Land down play like the night which did it but that long Tall Black Negro did boy hisself in quote the second written on National National Pencil Company. Stationery said this quote. Mam that Negro hire down here did this. I went to make water and he pushed me down that hole all along Tall Negro black that who it was long steam Tall Negro. I write while play with me in quote. That's kind of tough to process a let me just read that one again here. It is Mam that Negro hire down here did this. I went to make water water and he pushed me down that hole a long tall negro black that who it was long steamed Tall Negro. I write while play with me now. The dialect here makes it really tough to interpret. But we'll talk more about these notes later and for you've all subscribers we've got copies of both both of these letters posted there. You can read them for yourself though. The detectives weren't exactly sure what to make of them. One clear phrase stuck stuck out in both confusing notes long Tall Negro and in that moment the spotlight of suspicion shen turn towards the one black man present. Newt Lee nightwatchman whose phone call to police got this whole episode started in an instant. One of the officers launched into neatly accusing him of killing Mary. Fagin or at least knowing who did after all. He was the only person Jason Inside the National Pencil Company building. When officers arrived that night leaked quickly denied it and began giving his side of the story that evening he'd been making his usual rounds checking in on the various parts of the Pencil factory building about three? AM He went down to the basement for a routine inspection. He walks towards the back of the court a check on the back door on his way there. The light from his lantern illuminated the outline of a human form. His I thought he told them was that it was kind of dummy place there as a prank. By one of his CO workers but upon further inspection he saw something the thing far more grim he race back upstairs endowed police. Predictably Newt's accounting of events little in that moment remember. We're in the JIM. Crow South and a Black Man's testimony is doubtful at best and utter deceit at worst. We don't know a lot about Newt Lee but we know a little. He was a humble man as far as we know meaning he was born into slavery and likely didn't have any formal formal schooling within days. Newt lease name would be all over the pages of the Atlanta papers. Listen to how one white writer for the Atlanta Lina Jordan described him. Lee is a black ignorant cornfield. Pot Liquor Fed Dargie. His head is as flat as a ballroom room floor. His big frame is slightly bent not from weakness but from the natural laziness of his type he is beyond a doubt a white commands in. This is an unbelievably cruel unfair and racist depiction of Nutley. Now I include it here as yet. Another example of how white supremacy showed up back then Princeton and the most well read papers unchecked and without apology. I've mentioned it previously but there was a very particular narrative in the south about black men and white women. The narrative was that black men. Were Hyper Sexual brutes on the prowl stalking the streets and looking for white women to ravage. You may remember from episode three and the subsequent half lick this. This narrative was the one that sparked the Atlanta race riot of nineteen o six seven years before this Mary fagin incident local Atlanta papers ran with several several unconfirmed tales of black men assaulting white women in Atlanta this so infuriated the local white men that they formed a mob and roamed the the streets attacking any black person. They could find more than a dozen people were killed in the riots. So here in this dark basement stood a black man alongside the battered outraged body of a pretty young white girl that moment newt lease fate was as good as sealed. One of the officers removed his handcuffs and snap them on the wrists of neatly. He was under arrest for the murder. You're listening to episode fifteen of Catholic Silent Man in the tower it After arresting Newt lead the group officers escorted him back upstairs to the main floor of the National Pencil Factory. Don was just beginning to break out on the streets of downtown Atlanta. One of the attending officers called the local undertaker minutes later. A hearse arrived in the darkened alleyway behind the National Pencil Factory. They removed Mary Fagin Body and worsted away for further examination. Another call was placed that one this one to the Atlanta in a police headquarters they relate the news of the homicide and two of the Department's top detectives John Black and John Starnes were dispatched to the scene of the crime when stars and black arrived at the National Pencil Factory. They were eager to investigate the crime scene for themselves. They wasted no time after several minutes. starnes discovered two additional clues overlooked by the previous loots. The I was a blue straw hat presume to have belonged to young. Mary Fagin the second bloody fingerprints smeared across the face of back door at the far end of the basement. The one that was usually nailed shut. Now you'll remember that I told you a local reporter accompanied. I need that first group of police officers. That reporter was nineteen year old Brett. Craig Craig was the son of a North Georgia newspaper man. He was known mostly for his love of whiskey. And for being a young bulldog of a reporter for the Atlanta Constitution. Brett Craig had been loitering around the police at least apartment on that Sunday night hoping to get a lead on petty crime or maybe a burglary little did he know when that call came in the story of the year had had just fallen right into his lap. Brit crag saw everything that night the crime scene the body the evidence and newly himself off but after an hour or so craig just disappeared into the night racing back to the constitutions newsroom. He a new. He had a brief window of time to file story before the printing presses started humming. Why was Brit Craig in such a hurry to file a story on? I'm not sleepy Sunday. Morning well to understand that we've got to go back to episode seven of Catholic. That's when I introduced you to the controversial traversable media. Magnate named William Randolph hearst. You'll remember that in the early. Nineteen hundreds hearst owned a big portfolio of newspapers scattered all around the country and each of them followed his formula of yellow journalism. This formula outsold other the papers by exaggerating headlines stretching the truth fabricating facts and sensationalizing crime and scandal. Readers ate it up. You may also remember that back in February of Nineteen twelve hearst acquired one of Atlanta's top. Three papers the Atlanta Georgian region. So by the time of Mary Higgins murdered. Hearst strategy had been active in Atlanta for about fourteen months and as the months passed hearst men dialed up this insatiable ism the people of Atlanta noticed and the paper's circulation soared. This move intern. Put the pressure on Atlanta's other two papers the journal in the Constitution so by the time Mary Fagan's body was discovered. There was an all out circulation war already swirling in Atlanta. The three rival newsrooms did whatever had to be done to get even the slightest scoop on their competitors. So it's safe to say that his brick craig raced to the newsroom of the constitution that morning. He knew he had the chance to impress his bosses by breaking a big story story. And that's exactly what happened on Sunday. April twenty-seventh constitution was the first to print the tale of a pretty pretty young white girl raped murdered and then discarded into the belly of one of Atlanta's child labour sweatshops because info fo was still scarce. That first article wasn't very big. It offered the basic details and that was it however across astound those basic details would catch the eye of foster coats managing editor of the Atlanta Georgian foster coats. One of William Randolph hearst's closest allies coats was a newspaper man through and through. He crafted seductive sizzling sling headlines and he had an instinct for knowing. Exactly what stories would sell papers when William Randolph. Hearst hired him years earlier it was a huge huge. Get He'd been working for hearst chief New York rival Joseph Pulitzer but in recent years. Hearst had dispatched coats to newsrooms across the country places like Boston Chicago. Insane Francisco Coach was the guy hearst sent in. We needed someone he could trust someone who could transform these. stodgy old papers from boring to bombastic in April of nineteen thirteen coats. I was given a new assignment. The Atlanta Georgian and he'd arrived in town that month lodging at Atlanta's posh Georgian Terrace Hotel L.. And so on. The morning of April twenty-seventh sitting in his hotel room coach brewed his morning coffee and opened up the pages of the rival Vol- Atlanta Constitution. His is scanned past mundane article after mundane article until it landed on one not so mundane Sunday a thirteen year old girl brutally and mysteriously murdered inside the harsh environs of Atlanta factory. He he stopped his eyes opened wide. He saw the latent potential. He saw scandal rape murder and mystery history. He saw story. That could tantalize an entire city. And perhaps a nation he flung the paper aside and reached for the nearest phone. The newsroom telephone rang. Sunday's were usually slow around the newsroom. But not today snoozing reporters and staff were called in all hands on deck. The constitution may have one Sunday but foster coach knew at Monday was his by mid morning. On Sunday. Police had positively identified identified. The remains in the basement of the Pencil factory is those of Mary Fagin. They also got in touch with Mary's mother and stepfather. Fanny and John Coleman John. John Actually went into Atlanta and searched for Mary himself standing at the exits downtown's mini theaters and scanning the faces of those coming out. He fought perhaps Mary had decided to see show after going to the confederate Memorial Day parade. Not Finding her. He returned home later that evening after a sleepless night around dawn to be exact the Coleman's awoke to the sound of someone knocking on the door of their humble. Bellwood home it. It was reported that upon hearing the Grim News. Fanny Coleman scream collapsed into a heat on the a mother's greatest. Fear had been realized throughout the day on Sunday the Atlanta police continue their investigation which would inevitably lead them. I'm to the home of Leo Frank Superintendent of the National Pencil Company. Leo Frank can move to Atlanta five years earlier. Frank grew up in Brooklyn and it was educated at Cornell University where he got a degree in engineering. He was a northern transplant. In the south grand a city in black and white photos for back then frank just looks like an engineer. He's a sharp looking guy. Always wearing a suit sometimes a pork pie hat but he also has a bit of a severe look. Angular facial features small lips pointy chin slightly bulging eyes and a serious expression and most photos in some photos. He's wearing a pair of spectacles and in others. He isn't for some reason. The glasses make him look a little bit villain light to me but for the most part Leofric was well put together. The quintessential sharp no nonsense white collar businessmen of the early nineteen hundreds now years before all this Leo Frank had met Lucille Seelig the daughter of a wealthy Jewish businessman within ten ten months of meeting her he proposed in one thousand nine hundred ten. The two remained after the wedding. The Franks bought home in the area around Washington street which is where most of Atlanta's Atlanta's wealthy German Jewish population put down roots today. This area is just south of the Georgia State Capitol building and if you ever went to a braves game at Turner Field Field. You are close by as the superintendent of the Jewish owned National Pencil. Company Leo Frank Fit in well amongst Atlanta's elite eight German Jewish community. Now I'm saying German Jewish because there was also an orthodox Jewish community in Atlanta which consisted mostly of immigrants from Russia in Poland. As I understand it the two groups didn't really jive well. The German Jews were a bit more modern in an integrated more smoothly amongst the gentiles of the American south the Orthodox Jews on the other hand. We're more old school. Maintaining the traditions and customs of their homeland land. Leo Frank was the Trendier German Jewish persuasion and asa she'd been recently elected president of the local chapter of the banana. Brief a Jewish Service Organization Social Club by any measure. Leo Frank was well respected. A rising star and leader in. Atlanta's is Jewish community. The morning after Mary Higgins body was found. Police phoned the frank residence. As the Superintendent of the factory. Frank would have been able to answer all their questions about the facility and hopefully shed some light on. Who'd been there the day before when no one at the frank residents it's picked up the phone detectives boots Rogers and John Black decided to drive over to their house and speak with Leo directly around seven? Am they pulled. Up to the home of Leo and Lucille Frank. Lucille opened the door and the two detectives explained their business. She quickly called for her husband. And when Leo Frank saw the two officers he immediately suspected trouble. He asked if there'd been a fire at the factory overnight. No no they told him not a fire but a tragedy frank. The information maven responded with a series of rapid fire questions nations. Detective Black Thought. Franks questions were odd and that he spoke quickly seemed nervous and even looked a bit pale. The two officers explained to frank that the body of a young girl had been found in the basement of the factory. They then asked him if the name Mary Fagin sounded familiar. He said No. which wasn't that unusual given that frank employed about two hundred people at the Pencil factory and most of them were young girls around? Maria's age. Detectives Detectives Rogers and black knew that frank had been at the factory the day before so they asked him if he remembered a girl with long hair coming by office to collect her pay. Frank said that he did remember over like that stopping by but he didn't know her name. Was Mary Fagin. The detectives needed to know for sure if the dead girl found in the basement was the same aim girl who stopped by Frank's office to pick up her paycheck so they asked frank if you would accompany them to the mortuary he agreed when the three arrived. The undertaker lead them to the back room. Mary's body was covered and laid out on a big table. The undertaker pulled back the sheet under the light of a bright lamp. These men saw what the others had seen an adolescent girl role of a Gash in her head covered in soot and dirt black and blue bruises and with a cord still wrapped around her neck. That's her frank. Frank said confirming that the girl before him was the same one who stopped by his office. The group's next stop would be at the National Pencil Factory. When they arrived they were met by an employee of the factory? A guy named invied Darlie Darlie was in charge of personnel and was a close associate of Leo Francs. The group walked to one of the office suites when they found a gaggle of police officers and a handcuffed neatly waiting on them frank. A meticulous record keeper retrieved his pay ledger he opened to it. It flipped a few pages and then pointed to an entry. Bearing Mary Fagan's name confirmation that she had in fact combines office that day sometime between noon in one pimm next. The group would venture into the basement to survey the location where the girl's body was discovered. The men filed under the factories. He's loan freight elevator. That service the basement as the elevator slowly descended several of the detectives observed that frank seemed nervous. Maybe even a bit bit fidgety. When the elevator reached the floor of the basement the men were overwhelmed by an unexpected but identifiable odor feces easies as it turns out earlier that morning and investigator discovered a very strange clue a fairly fresh pile of undisturbed human excrement deposited on the ground beneath the elevator? So when the men reached the bottom of the elevator shaft it was the stink of smashed Pu. They were met with. We'll revisit this mystery. Fees later as the men moved into the earth corridor of the basement and officer pointed out the spot were. Mary's body was found during this process. Someone noticed that the back door had been left cracked open. Frank insisted insisted that the door be nailed shut. It had been before otherwise it posed a security risk to the factory. darlie quickly retrieved a hammer and nails and Leo Frank went to work. Well according to the testimonies of those who were there. He tried to go to work with hammer in hand. Frank couldn't connect but with the nails and his hands shook with each swing of the Hammer. Another embarrassing miss. As the rest of the men looked on syncing. His embarrassment Darlie jumped and taking the hammer out of frank's hand and finishing the job for him. Having visited the mortuary and now the pencil factory the men had one more stop for Leo Frank. The police headquarters. They wanted him to evaluate the two handwritten notes however upon arrival. The men were told that the notes were there a reporter for the Journal had borrowed them but promised to return them shortly. Apparently reporters borrowing evidence back then wasn't all that uncommon after that Leo Frank was told he was free to leave and by eleven. AM He. He was back home enjoying a Sunday morning with his wife. Meanwhile word of the attack slowly began to spread around the city and with that that came a trickle of tips. Random people showing up at the police station claiming information about the murder one tipster appeared saying he'd seen China girl matching the description of Mary. fagin hanging out late Saturday night with a streetcar. Operator by the name of Arthur Moulinex. Apparently this guy had spotted brought them in a dark and lonely part of downtown which made him a bit suspicious. The police quickly dispatched officer to Find Mullen accent within a couple of hours. He was brought in for questioning. Their Streetcar Operator admitted to knowing Mary Fagin and that was calls enough for suspicion he was arrested on site within just hours. Police now had two solid suspects in custody. As Sunday morning. Turn into afternoon word. Word really began to spread about the murder of Mary Fagin so much so that a crowd began to gather outside the funeral. Home it seems weird now but back then. It wasn't uncommon to let people even strangers view the body of notable dead people as afternoon. Turn dusk the line of gawkers. Grew eventually snaking around the building. At least ten thousand people viewed Mary Fagin Body and paid their respects that day among them. Mr Mr Leo Frank by Monday morning Atlanta's local newspapers were exploding with news of the Mary. FAGIN murder mystery story to be more specific. One paper in particular was exploding with the news. You guessed it William Randolph hearst's Atlanta Atlanta Georgia. In the morning edition the paper worked every angle committing five full pages to the story article after Article Google detailing. Mary's beauty her fair complexion and her delicate feminine. Persona one article took a swipe at child labor blaming Mary's death on the a portable institutions that employ children and the unseemly people who worked in them. They also interviewed Mary's mother distraught. And Devastated Fanny Coleman however amidst all this coverage. There was one common thread. A single theme began to emerge revenge. One headline boomed neighbors of slain girl. Cry For vengeance. Another article featured an interview with Mary's grandfather. The a writer paints the picture of a devastated grandfather speaking from the front porch of his Marietta home with rain gently falling in the background. A quote from the old man no punishment is too great for the brute. foully murdered the sweetest and purest thing on earth. A young girl hanging cannot atone for the crime. He has committed now side note here years later the journalists that wrote this article would admit that it wasn't raining it all that day and that he'd wildly embellished the grandfather's words. This was yellow journalism one. Oh One and vengeance was is the perfect theme by touting the theme of vengeance the Atlanta Georgia was inviting the reader into the story thereby transforming warming him from an isolated observer to vital character. The newspaper was now locked arm in arm with its readers and together they would would bring this foul perpetrator to justice so in typical hurston style. The Atlanta Georgian raised the stakes by offering a five hundred dollar reward for quote exclusive information leading to the arrest and conviction of the murderer in quote. This was turning into Atlanta's very own headless torso case the story that had taken New York by storm back in eighteen ninety seven and now every Atlantan wasn't investigator. Every Atlantan was now a detective and now the streets of Atlanta were besieged with every manner of amateur sleuth and the people aided up down down on the streets. People could not by foster coats morning edition of the Georgian fast enough. He smelled money so he dispatched every available salable reporter into the streets of Atlanta each of them on a unified mission to catch the killer has reporters return to the newsroom and filed their stories special special editions of the Atlanta Georgian flew off the presses. Almost hourly the exact number isn't known but author. Steve Oni says that the Georgian printed somewhere between eight and twenty special editions on Monday alone the Constitution and the journal printed their own. Fagin stories is but it paled in comparison to the fire hose of special editions unleashed by the Georgian on that first full day of media coverage it was becoming abundantly clear. The mysterious death of Mary Fagin was becoming the biggest news story in Atlanta's history while the news boys hawked their special editions on that Monday law enforcement continued their investigative work by Monday morning. Life at the National Pencil Company was returning to normal as the morning shift workers punch the time clock however the typical morning home of machinery was interrupted. Did when a worker noticed blood and long strands of hair near Mary. Fagan's normal workstation. Police were called in to investigate. Detectives interpreted what they saw as signs of a struggle the beliefs that Mary began grappling with her abductor up on the factory factory floor and then at some point either dead or alive. The two of them ended up in the basement while the police were there. Several factory girls roles mentioned the name of a former CO worker. They'd seen flirting with Mary fagin before he was fired. A twenty six year old bookkeeper named James Gant police police instantly began their search Danton. Surprisingly found him on a trolley headed out of town with a large suitcase he was immediately radiantly. Arrested further investigation. Found that James Gant had in fact been at the factory on that Saturday afternoon. He was spotted with Newt Lee. The theory quickly emerged that he killed Mary. Fagin during the day and then conned Lee into disposing of the body at night. Of course the problem I'm with the story is the same problem as the Arthur Moulinex story. Why would marry a been out on the streets with a man or a group of men and then ended up back inside the Pencil factory where they murdered her? It didn't add up. Nevertheless there was enough suspicion around James. Gant that he was arrested as well well back at the police headquarters. Police questioned the nightwatchman neutrally about James can't nude admitted that he had been with James James that day but he explained he said that on Saturday he showed up for work on time for pm when he got there he was met by. Leo Frank who seemed seemed agitated. Frank told him to go kill some time in the city and come back around six PM at six. PM neatly came back to the National Pencil. Factory with James Gant had aside. Lee said that frank seemed very annoyed by this on Monday afternoon. Police sent sent for Leo Frank. Once again. They had more questions. This time. Frank showed up at the police station with Luther Rosser a well known and powerful attorney attorney in Atlanta. Frank began by laying out a timeline. His version of events from that fateful Saturday heat arrived that morning the factory to take care of some clerical work around twelve ten PM. Mary fagin arrive to collect or pay. He paid her she left immediately and that was the extent extent of their interactions. Around one. Ten PM Leah. Frank went home for lunch and he came back to the factory about three o'clock at three. Forty Newt Lee arrived. He told me really didn't need him to watch over the place since he was going to be there so he just said go out into the city kill some time come back around six around six nuclear ride with James Gant into can't claimed he'd left a pair of shoes inside the factory before he was fired. So Leo Frank Rank granted permission for Lee to escort gant inside and get the shoes. After that Leah. Frank left for the day and was back home by six twenty five pm. AM after sharing. His side of the story frank still sensed the suspicion of the investigators so he offered to show them his bear arms terms after all Mary fagin must have put up a fight before she died so surely the body of the murderer would show some signs of a struggle scratches or bruises or something. Something Leo Frank. Eventually disrobed completely allowing the detectives to inspect his body sure enough no bruises no scratches after this. Frank invited the officers back to his home to take a look around. So that's what they did for several minutes at the frank home they combed and through francs laundry looking for some articles of torn or bloody clothing. Once again they found nothing. Police left the Frank Residents and Leo had a quiet dinner at home with his wife and her parents as Monday came to a close. Police found themselves swamped with tips. Suddenly everyone had a siding or a theory about Mary. Fagan's demise one of the reports came from a man who said He. Aw Girl who looked like Mary fagin walking with a group of men downtown but that she was sluggish and stumbling has drugged now. There was a very popular theory circulated around Atlanta. For years that predatory men were drugging young pretty white girls and enslaving them and brothel basements. At the time of Mary. Higgins death there were at least fifty known brothels operating in downtown Atlanta though. We're not sure if any of them were holding any women captive. Give thanks to pay off. Political favors. Police mostly just ignored. The Atlanta Brothel district mostly on Tuesday Tuesday morning. All three Atlanta papers unleashed a torrent of Mary. Fagan news updates and conspiracies not wanting to be outdone the constitution and announced that they would give a whopping one thousand dollars for exclusive information leading to the girls killer. It was also announced that day. Both Arthur Moulinex in James Gant had been exonerated upon further investigation both Mullenix and gant had reasonable seasonable alibis regarding their whereabouts and activities throughout the day on Saturday with these two suspects. Now Free the attention of the investigators gators turned squarely towards Nutley and Leo Frank. On Tuesday Morning Leo. Frank looked up from his desk at the National Pencil so company when a uniformed officer appeared in his doorway informing him. He was under arrest for the murder of Mary. fagin frank was loaded into the back of a police car and rushed to the police headquarters by the time he arrived. A horde of reporters was already there. They'd been waiting pushing through the crowd. Leo Frank Paused and made a rare statement. I am not guilty. Such an atrocious crime it has never entered my mind. I am a man of good character and I have a wife I am a home loving and God fearing man they will discover that it is useless list to detain me unless for investigation and for information I might be able to give. Frank was quickly led away to a sale and the Fulton Tower. Yep that's the same Fulton Tower. That housed all those suspects. In the ripper cases it's the same Fulton Tower that held those prisoners from Forsyth County. However it's probably safe to assume this was the first Jewish Cornell Grad and a suit check into the city's ladies infamous jailhouse on the Tuesday? Leo Frank was taken in there. Were lots of developments with the case. The main main one being the police had developed a new theory. Leo Frank Killed Mary Fagin and neutrally was his accomplice. Several bits of evidence seemed to support this theory for one the Atlanta Journal which was the paper that had borrowed the to murder notes published copies of them in the paper they and now that they brought in some handwriting experts who compared the notes with new lease handwriting. Experts were certain that Lee wrote the notes additionally me the police brought in to special interrogators both white to meet with Lee one on one one of them allegedly had a knack for getting eating black people to talk well in the course of doing whatever it is a charlatan like this does libro down loudly weeping and declaring his his innocence the meltdown seemed sincere. And this was enough to convince the interrogator that he was innocent. The next interrogator and this this is even crazier employed the use of a pistol at one point. He shouted a Newt Lee and fired a bullet into the ceiling. Once again Li broke broke down in a fit of fear and tears and proclaimed his innocence. This interrogator like the I was convinced. Neatly wasn't the guy after this charade. The spotlight of suspicion began to shift away from neutrally. Though Li was still suspected of being witless accomplice the real focus was now squarely on Leo Frank. When news of this shift leaked the Atlanta Georgian and pounced in their six special edition of the day? They printed a massive headline on the front page. Police have the Strangler and beneath it a picture of Leo Frank. Though the character of James Bond wouldn't be created for another forty years the Georgians image of Frank Sorta Sorta cast him as a classic James Bond Villain. He's wearing a black suit. Black Bowler hat and Black Sunglasses and the headline mine was certain. It didn't say police have a new suspect. It didn't say police. Think they have the strangler. No no this was a hurston headline and Hersi and headlines were clear and certain police have the strangler. All of Atlanta knew it on Wednesday April thirtieth. The opening session of the coroner's inquest. Last was held. This was sort of an informal hearing hosted by the corner to determine if enough evidence existed to bring Leo Frank and or neatly to the trial leading the proceedings that day was Atlanta Corner. Paul Donahue on Wednesday afternoon Donahue directed the proceedings seatings a shocking new. Bit of information emerged a fifteen year old boy named George. EPPs testified before the group that he had actually written ridden on the same trolley with Mary that Saturday morning. He testified that as they rode towards Atlanta with the skyscrapers getting closer. Mary told him I'm her plans for the day. She intended to go to the confederate Memorial Day parade and then see a movie at one of the downtown theaters. But first she had to swing swing by the Pencil factory to pick up her paycheck however she told him something else. She expressed to him that she was scared. Heard of her boss. A man named Leo Frank. Here's with a fifteen year. Old New Jersey said again. I'm quoting here. She she began talking about Mr Frank when she would leave the factory on some afternoon. She said Frank would rush out in front of her and tried to flirt with her she passed. She told me that he had often winked at her and tried to pay her attention. He would look hard and straight at her she said and then would smile. It happened often. She said she told me she wanted me to come down to the factory when she got off as often as I could to escort her home and kind of protector. Now it's worth worth noting here that in one thousand nine hundred eighteen. This was a really common fear of parents whose kids worked in these factories with powerful men overseeing hundreds of child workers. It's easy easy to imagine how that power could be abused and if your daughter was particularly pretty your fear of her catching the eye of one of her supervisors was very unreal. This George EPPs. Testimony felt like a bombshell though. Some must have wondered if he'd been influenced by the previous day's Strangler Story and photo of frank the next day the constitution related the salacious. George Yep Story with a screaming headline Frank. Tried to flirt with murder. Girl says her boy chum. All of Atlanta was a buzz as a new image of Leo. Frank came into view. Investigators needed to vet this story about a flirty Leo Frank so they called in one hundred fifty fifty workers girls from the National Pencil Company. The factory shut down for a day. As a stream of young women flowed in and out of the Atlanta police. Police Department each of them giving their opinions on Leo Frank and Life at the Pencil Factory. More broadly several women hinted that the National Pencil Company Anthony had a CD side that workers were known to disappear into hidden closets and crannies for secretive trysts and there was actually a little bit of evidence evidence to support this rumor in yet another search of the factory basement. Investigators discovered a hidden compartment containing filthy makeshift mattress surrounded surrounded by what looked like the footprints of young women however one of the most interesting statements amongst all those given that day came from one. The factories male workers Paul Whitaker. Listen to what Paul said quote. I have seen Mr Frank at times when talking to some of the women employees. It seemed to me that he rubbed up against them a little too much. I noticed this often but never said anything about about it. In quote investigators received countless stories that day many of them later proven to be false. Likely the fantasies MRIs of teenagers who've been reading the newspapers after all the factory workers made their statements. Leo Frank was called upon to testify. Before the coroner's inquest. He appeared before them. Calm collected and well-dressed. They questioned him for four hours and he explained now for the second time. Everything the thing that happened to him on that Saturday his story was consistent. After that he retired to his cell in the Fulton Tower. Now now and the coming days Leo Frank would go mostly dark. Though we cooperated with the authorities. He gave the press. Nothing refusing to comment or or make any statements whatsoever earned him nickname in the papers. The silent man in the tower whatever. The silent I went man in the tower told the coroner's inquest during that four hour grilling must've been good. Because the papers were much kinder to him the next day they all report reported that he'd responded well to the questioning. Police continue to chase leads throughout the weekend. In the course of their work they came across two more young in women with startling stories about Leo Frank. Both of them were previous employees of the National Pencil Company. Fourteen year old. Nellie Pettus is told the story of going to Frank's office one day to pick up her pay. He began hitting on her and when she turned him down. He pulled out a box of money from under his desk. He showed it to her and gave a wink. She responded by telling him that she was a good girl and then he could go to hell and then when another girl also named Nellie sixteen year old Nellie would only worked at the factory for two days. According to her frank calder into his office began flirting and then touched her breasts she quit the next day unsurprisingly. The local papers published the the accounts of both girls with rumors swirling now for more than a week two very different versions of Leo. Frank began to emerge in the minds Of Atlantans the first original version was that of Leo. Frank Ivy League academician respected Superintendent of the National Pencil Company company loving husband President of Benico breath and paragon of Atlanta's hard-working Jewish community. Everyone who knew frank vouched for him and in his high character in the days following frank's arrest several of his Jewish friends loudly defended the man. They all knew one of the members. There's a banana. aretha spoke with. Reporters heaping praise on the young factory. Superintendent here's what he had to say. Leo Frank the Superintendent Superintendent and general manager of one of Atlanta's largest and most promising industries spins two hours in his office on a holiday after generously. Relieving the watchman during these hours. His habits are regular and industrious and his life. While in Atlanta is perfectly blameless every respect I have worked with Mr Mr Frank for years and various charitable organizations and have ever found him the most polished gentlemen with the kind of heart and the broadest of sympathy to such an extent it is recognized among his fellow lodge men that we have honored him with the Office of President which is the highest rank in our organization. Leo Frank's image amongst Atlanta's German Jews in short arose not from their worst fears but from their best wishes wishes. It must be added. Ed Born not of a week's worth of headlines Window but a five years worth of close association. That's a pretty strong endorsement. The other version of Lia Frank that had emerged from media reports was much darker he was a creep. And a pervert mark with one eye on his work and the other. I locked onto the young girls pacing the floor bes- factory the term used today sexual Predator fuelling. This view of frank was that he was an other as both a Brooklyn. Brad Yankee and Ju- that meant that his heritage judge and his religion were foreign. Unknown in suspect was Leo. Frank the squeaky clean family man and community leader. That is closest friends. Thought he was or was he a quiet social path living a double life a monster on stir of a man who had finally executed his darkest fantasy on young. Mary Fagan will investigate those questions and a whole lot more. ooh That's next time on Catholic hair. I hope if you enjoyed episode fifteen. I'm really thankful that you listened. Hey as I mentioned at the top of the episode were hosting our cat. Lick Finale show on in the evening of March fourteenth. It's going to be an amazing night of true crime history mystery and more currently finalizing an incredible lineup of speakers and our goal is to make the night fun light funny and inspiring. 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"In eighteen ninety seven, a torso of a man estimated to be thirty, five years old was found in the East River with no identifying marks on it a race between two competing newspapers to identify the victim and catch the killer began. If you enjoy this two part episode on the murder of William Golden Sup, be sure to check out the solved murders podcast exclusive to spotify every Wednesday. We step into the world of true crimes, most fascinating murder cases and tell the Tale of how real life detectives closed the case follow solve murders free and exclusively on spotify. Dude the graphic nature of this murder case listener discretion is advised. This episode includes graphic descriptions, of Genitalia, as well as dramatization and discussions of murder and assault that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. New York. City in the eighteen nineties was a bustling metropolis rooming with promise the city at recently constructed its first skyscrapers, the tallest of which stood higher than three hundred feet. Within one of these concrete titans was a behemoth of the newspaper Industry Joseph Pulitzer and his daily publication the New York world, he taken a dying publication and turned it into a sensation. He replaced dense information laden pages with bombastic. Lines he added. Comic. Strips and color printing to his Sunday editions and he brought the price of his paper down to a staggering two cents crushing his rivals by eighteen ninety. The New York world had become one of the single largest newspapers in existence but with great success comes great competition in Eighteen Ninety Five William Randolph hearst purchased the failing New York Morning Journal and made it his mission to put the New York world out of business with his nearly limitless fortune hearst turned his journal into something. More attention grabbing and more sensational than any paper ever before he brought the price of his issues down to a single cent and poached reporters from competing papers by paying exorbitant salaries. Hearst had declared war on Joseph Pulitzer and his New York world this declaration locked the two juggernauts of journalism into a heated conflict that would reshape American newspapers and change the course of American history itself. Their newspaper wars would range for decades, but one of their most decisive battles would come from the most unlikely of places. In the early hours of June twenty sixth 1897, a ferry passenger discreetly dropped a couch cushion sized package into the East River. This single act would set the New York papers into a reporting frenzy and result in one of the most fascinating and most publicized murder mysteries in the history of the world. Welcome to solve murders true crime mysteries a podcast original I'm your host Carter Roy and I'm your host. Wendy Mackenzie. Every Wednesday we step into the world of true crimes, most fascinating murder cases and tell the Tale of how real life detectives closed. The case you can find episode Jeff solved murders, and all other park asked originals for free exclusively on spotify to stream. Solve murders for free on spotify just open the APP and type solve murders in the search bar. This is our first episode on the murder. Of William Golden up in part one will cover the discovery of a dismembered corpse and the race between two different newspapers to identify the victim. In part two, we'll discuss the victims life in the newspapers quest to catch his killer. We have all that and more coming up stay with us. On. Saturday June twenty six. Ninety seven stifling summer air wafted through Manhattan and crowds of people made their way to east third street thousands wanted to attend the grand opening of the city's first public promenade pier. The mood was lively and upbeat a brass band in pod there breath away their sound echoing across the East River. Yet as the band held the people's rapt attention, the river held something far more interesting. Approximately eight blocks north. The rising tide carried a strange package lobbying on the water. Package was about the size of a sofa cushion and was tightly wrapped in a flashy red and gold oilcloth. It was heavy but floated despite its weight and it was tied together by several cords of white rope. The package was meant to be discarded and forgotten but instead it's deep red colouring and caught the eyes of four preteen boys playing on the unused East Eleventh Street pier. One of the boys leapt into the water and swam towards the package. He grasped it by its ropes and pulled it back towards the pier. Once he reached the shore, he called atop the rocks struggling against its weight his friends rush to help him and then stared at the package in wonder, all sorts of treasures could show up in the East River Silverware clothing jewelry furniture anything was possible in New York. This package had the potential to be the greatest treasure they'd ever found filled with excitement. One of the boys pulled out a switchblade and Saad at the rope. As he caught his blade slipped on the wet cord plunging through the oilcloth into the package itself the slip left a thin hole in the wrappings and the boys watched with surprise as torpid blood boozed out there is went wide as they stared at each other in astonishment. The boys were not repulsed they were thrilled. Bleeding package wrapped in rope could only be one thing. A fresh side of pork. Lost, by some poor butcher in the river, they were going to feast like kings they sliced through the rope with renewed vigor. They peeled back the oilcloth to reveal a layer of burlap, and then they peeled back burlap to reveal course Brown paper underneath the paper they found pink flesh. Only it wasn't from a pig. Instead. The package contained a man's muscular arms and his torso severed off just below the ribs the boys had not discovered a feast. They had uncovered a murder. After moments of stunned silence, the boys panicked they tossed their bloody knife into the river. Then spent the next half hour arguing about what to do next drawn to the noise a patrolman approached the boys and ask them what they'd found terrified the boys told them their story and the patrolman told them to settle down. He'd call to have this body taken to the morgue and the boys would be free to go the patrolman hall the body off of the beach and onto the pier then waited for two of his fellow detectives to arrive. That's an St. want wonder what happened to him rubbery just those Med students again up to their old tricks. If that's true, they really upped the ante this. Remember when they left that finger in that professor cigar box. Classic Gag. Although in my opinion, this stops that any day. Hersher. Except this time the joke's on. US. We're the ones who've got to watch this stiff. least gives us a good excuse to smoke. The policemen were largely unimpressed by their gruesome find as MED students had been known to leave amputated body parts in strange places all around the city they were confident that this package was merely a prank and that the coroner would settle any worries soon. After several hours, the torso was picked up and hauled off to bellevue morgue. The only morgue in Manhattan and dark and dreary place. Each day, the morgue would see twenty to thirty new bodies all laid out on marble slabs cold misty water ran over the slabs in an attempt to preserve the. And spook away the flies we're always buzzing around just as the scent of death attracted flies the drama of death attracted reporters from every major publication in the city. For Meagre. Unscrupulous mortgage attendance allowed reporters to wander the halls freely reporting on any corpse they thought might make a good story. dismembered. So finally reached its own slab reporters had much the same reaction as the police officers who first discovered it. This gruesome find was simply the result of a med. Student. Prank. Nothing worth writing about. This would all change when the city's medical examiner Dr George Dow and Bellevue's Morgue Superintendent Dr Thomas Murphy spotted the torso on their evening rounds. They took a closer look at the body and noted everything they found the torso was muscular with soft white skin. The head had been severed and the cut through the neck was rough and ragged. The lower half of the torso had been cut through much more cleanly just below the fifth rib suspiciously four inch horseshoe-shaped slice of skin had been removed from the chest just above the heart. It was an odd mark that seemed purposeless at first glance after seeing all the could on the surface, the doctors began to take some measurements even though they only had the torso, they measured demands link from fingertip to fingertip. If the man had been in one piece would have stood around five feet eleven inches tall. They estimated that weighed one hundred, ninety pounds while alive and had been thirty five years old at the time of his death finally, they noticed that while he had a musculature a heavy laborer. The man's hands were soft and supple. He lacked the rough calluses that most physical workers gained in their work and his nails were well manicured. Also. Significantly, his fingers were pliable and easy to bend. Indicating that rigor mortis had yet to affect the body. There is a mystery here. Indeed No medical student would have done this a saw and not a knife was used to sever the head and the body, and if I might add the removal of the flesh from the breast has a very suspicious look. If I might venture a guess I, would say it was meant to remove a distinctive tattoo that might have helped us identify the body. Yes. It's all very suspicious I. believe this was a murder end in my professional opinion, the man of which this formed part of was alive twenty four hours ago. Dr Dowse Declaration had stunned the room and many of the reporters present new. They had just struck gold several rush. Their notes to the press is immediately while other stayed behind to witness the autopsy a closer examination of the corpse found several more interesting details. The arms had boot-shaped bruises indicating the victim had been pinned to the ground or kicked some of his fingernails held blood likely from his struggle against his attacker. His left hand also had a glancing cut likely from a knife when they took a finer look at the flesh had been removed from the chest. They found too deep stab wounds. One Pierce downwards just above his left collarbone, the other had plunged just between. His fifth and sixth ribs stabbing directly into his heart examination of the wounds showed that blood had flowed into them. Indicating the victim had been stabbed while he was still alive in contrast the cuts at his neck and bottom of his torso had been done post mortem. It seemed he had been stabbed to death and dismembered afterward for easy disposal. Also, interestingly, the stab wounds did not have any cloth fibers within them. This meant the victim had been naked when killed and likely lying on his back. Perhaps he'd been murdered well asleep or even in the midst of an intimate. And yet even though the autopsy could tell them so much about their victims tragic fate there were still many unanswered questions who exactly was this man and where was the rest of his body it was only a matter of time. Before they found their answers. Coming up a second gruesome discovery provides a clearer piece of the puzzle and now back to the story. On June twenty, six, eighteen, ninety, seven. Of a human torso was discovered bound in cloth floating in the East River. By that evening, New York City's chief medical examiner had declared the torso the victim of a murder the first step towards solving the crime would-be to identify the victim. But his head lower torso and legs were all missing dismemberment always proved fascinating to the public and these still missing limbs made this murder mystery ripe for the Sensational Yellow Journalism of the time. The next morning Sunday, the twenty seventh both William. Randolph hearst's New York Journal and Joseph. Pulitzer's New York world dedicated front page space to the piecemeal corpse both declared it a horrific end intriguing case. Both wondered where the rest of the body could be get while the papers were speculating detective Arthur Carey in the hybrid stationhouse in the Bronx had the answer. Things, got away at least one hundred pounds register you founded. My boys spotted it in a ravine. Arkansas Woods nearby the Harlem River. It's a real wild place. There's only one house for a whole quarter mile up their. Use said it smelled bad. I'm not smelling anything right now that's because it's tightly wrapped. You pull on that oilcloth you'll see. Smells like murder. Thanks for bringing us and Mr Mayer, but you should get your kids. OUTTA here. I don't think they want to see what's inside. As Detective Carey opened. The package he founded was also wrapped in a layer of burlap and a layer of Brown paper inside he found the lower torso of a man sought apart from the rest of his body. Its top was cut just below the ribs in the bottom was sliced off just below the hip joints. As such the legs were not attached, but the man's genitals were fully intact. Kerry thought little of the wounds or genitals at the time. Instead he focused his attention on a small clue stuck to the victims back. He appealed off a sticky piece of Brown paper with a distinct ink stamp, the stamp read Kugler and Woolens, and with that carry at his first lead. Kerry bag to stamp and cut off a piece of the oilcloth for Reference Lenny made his way across the Harlem River into the big city. Kugler and Woolens was a hardware store in the predominantly German bowery district of Manhattan. The district known for its many great drinking venues, and it's incredibly competent business owners and Kugler Co owner of Kugler and woolens was no different. Mr Kugler, I'm detective carry a used to be stationed near here few back but a hammer ones yes. Yes. I remember your face detective are you here to get the hammer repaired? No Hammer still going strong. Here to ask if you recognize this. Paper smells like death. Did you find it in a dead body or something on a dead body? Yeah. Well. That's our stamp and serial number. Let Me Check the ledger. Looks like the paper was used to wrap a saw. Make Sense Any chance you know who bought it. Sadly, no it was purchased with cash. Fair enough. I got one last question for you. You know where I can find the person who sells oilcloth like this. Oh. That smells brand new. Did it come from the same body? Yeah. Couple layers of wrapping between them. I recommend you check with Henry Feuerstein on Stanton, very professional wholesaler. Thanks Kugler, maybe I'll stop by and buy something sometime. Carry made his way three blocks North Henry for your steen's warehouse and Orthodox Jewish immigrant from Hungary Feuerstein was also working hard on Sunday and more than willing to help detective Kerry tracked down his lead. Af Cannon and sons diamond be number of three to two. Oh People hate that fabric I haven't sold any in the last four months so it should be easy to track down right. Relatively yes. I've only sold it to fifty or so stores fifty and you say people hated no. Yeah. Here check the ledgers. Goodness. To go to all five boroughs, it take ages for me to make all these stuffs. On Your own. Yes. But I've got news for your friend. You're not the only one looking for that fabric. Really. Oh reporters. You know which paper they were with the Journal. That Madman. Hearst paying over a dozen men to track down leads they'll probably have their answers in a matter days. Well Guess I gotTa Hope, I get lucky and find it. I for the Police Department Sake I. Hope so too. Not only was carry in a race against the reporters he was already losing and the newspapers had been ridiculing the police department for months claiming that apartment was corrupt bloated and grossly ineffectual carry had to admit they were right after all. He had been demoted to the Bronx station because he'd made friends with the wrong boss. But even if the department wasn't corrupt, it would be hard for their detectives to compete with the reporters. Reporters at least got paid extra for finding answers quickly as detective Carey, began his slow slog. Cloth salesman one reporter began his own hunt for clues back at the city morgue. Nineteen year old Ned Brown stood in the morgue staring at the body. It's too discovered. Pieces having been placed back together on the slab. The pieces fit perfectly proving that they had been from the same victim and hinting that perhaps that victims had and legs were still out there. Wrapped in their own gaudy layers of paper and cloth ned was a student at Nyu who long to be a reporter had taken a summer job at Pulitzer's world to get his first taste of the work as a student. Ned. Had yet to be assigned to a big story but as luck would have it, he was the only reporter in the office when the bodies lower torso had arrived at the morgue, the paper's editor ordered him to report on anything the medical examiner said about the lower torso. Ned agreed determined to make his mark on the case. Given the full size of the body I believe it is safe to say this would have taken great strength and many hours to accomplish. It was likely done in a secluded location over a lengthy period of time. Do you think it could have been more than one killer? I'm sorry young man who are you ned? Brown New York world. Do you think the killer loan? No. I believe at least two people were involved in the slaying at the very least someone would have had to hold the arms up while the other saw through the torso. Any idea who the killers might be I cannot give you names only fear is based on the evidence. Based on marks near the shoulder, the saw used seems to be about one millimeter wide about the width of a butcher saw. Furthermore. The leg stump seemed to have been boiled. This means they had a base in large enough to fill with water and conductive enough to heat with fire. The stumps were either boiled in an attempt to dispose of the body. Or an attempt to cook it. Cannibals. You really suggesting cannibals did this cannibal butchers to be precise any idea who the victim might be well based on his genitalia he may have been Hebrew. But outside of discovering his severed head, it would be impossible to identify him. While the doctors were convinced the victim's name could not be discovered net was not so sure the cannibal butcher theory was sure to make his editor. Happy but to ned another piece of evidence was nine at the back of his mind. Victim's body was incredibly muscular. It was clear. The man made his living through some form of physical labor. Get his palms were soft and free from calluses. Ned. Knew he had seen hands like those before but where? Ned. Could only remember where he'd seen those hands. He knew he could crack the case. But his hunch wait as he pondered the situation, the story would continue to develop without him. Facing a wave of public pressure the police began bringing the families and friends of any missing persons to the morgue in an attempt to defy the body dozens of men and women came streaming through the room gawking at the corpse each with their own story to tell. Some realized in an instant, the body did not belong to anyone. They knew others required careful consideration of the body's many scars and foibles before they could conclude that they did not know the headless man at the same time entire groups of people would claim the victim was there late husband or brother or friend on fortunately none of these people could substantiate their claims. It seemed even parade of purveyors could not solve this case, but that made little difference to the papers and the men who ran them. While Joseph Pulitzer had plucky little Ned Brown running through the streets William Randolph hearst had an entire squadron of men. He called his wrecking crew haphazardly dashing all throughout the city. They would fly across the neighborhoods on bicycles racing together all the information that they could the wrecking crew visited the sites where the body parts were found the homes of people who claim to have identified the victim and police detectives all throughout the city just to make sure they didn't have any leads the reporters had missed. I wanted as much information on the murder as you could possibly acquire factual or otherwise while his morning new. York Journal was already known for being sensational hearst to just launched his evening journal a paper meant to be even more sensational, even more dramatic, even more eye catching than any paper had ever been before. The story of a madman hacking person to pieces in dumping them throughout the city was the perfect event to cover the evening journals front page he printed diagrams and recreations of the crime scenes and story after story filled with wild speculation. It was to be hearst's masterstroke. Unfortunately for him, his competition had a plan of their own. Resources I. I've got urgent news are spies at the world have a headline you're going to want to read well, handed over. The world will pay five hundred dollars in gold for the correct solution of the mystery five hundred dollars. That's a year salary for most people. Pulitzer's are smooth operator. That's for sure Sir that reward is being published at four o'clock today. Today, we'll beat us to the punch, but we'll beat them in the end. Make sure our five o'clock paper has our own offer one thousand dollars to anyone who brings me the solution nobody will go to Pulitzer after that Sir it's already mid afternoon we've printed half the stock will print them again, get them out tonight Pulitzer. We'll have this dead body over my dead body understand. Yes, sir. The river torso had only been reported on the day before and it had already ignited a whirlwind of activity in the city's newspapers. It was set to bring. Pulitzers and hearst's newspaper wars into a mad cap frenzy each attempting to outdo the other every step of the way the next day Tuesday June twenty-ninth both papers would receive all sorts of letters from interested parties trying to solve the case in win the reward one letter even accused the journal itself of purchasing a cadaver and spreading it across the city purely for the publicity Hurston, his men had a good laugh in printed the letter in their paper. He knew that would only generate more publicity and his next plan would top even. That for the first time in Human History Hurst plan to have a full color print paper release on a Tuesday afternoon he had an artist fully recreate the color and pattern of the red and gold or cloth and planned to have his front page claim. This was the single most important clue in the entire case when the caller page was released on Tuesday, the twenty ninth, the people of New York were stunned by it's brilliance and convinced the oilcloth was the key to solving the case yet while hearst's journal focused all its attention on the oilcloth the world's rambunctious year old reporter Ned Brown was focused on something else entirely he had finally remembered where he had seen such soft hands before. And on that Tuesday morning his memory was about to bust the case. Wide Open. Will identified the body after this. And now that the story. On Saturday June twenty, six, eighteen, ninety, seven, the upper torso of a dismembered man was found wrapped in oilcloth floating in the East River by Tuesday the twenty ninth New York City's leading newspapers had turned a grisly murder into the investigative. Of the, century William Randolph hearst and is New York Journal had put a near unlimited amount of resources into identifying the victim but Joseph Pulitzer's New York world would be the first to crack the case. All thanks to a wiry nineteen year old reporter named Ned. Brown man had found the victims muscular frame and soft hands particularly familiar. It was an odd combination. People rarely saw those days and by Tuesday, Ned had remembered the only place ever seen such thing the Turkish baths in midtown the Turkish. Baths employed many masseurs, all of whom had particularly toned physiques and soft hands making their massages the most relaxing in the city. The baths were a popular place for people to work off a hangover ned himself spent many a late night and early morning at the Murray hill baths on forty second street. The Murray hill baths claim to be the most handsome and perfect baths in the world has never stepped inside to see it's polished white marble floors in luxuriously long swimming pool he found it difficult to disagree. Ned noon no other reporter would have thought to look here. So he decided to keep his investigation as discreet as possible. He ordered a massage and waited until he was good and relaxed to ask a seemingly harmless question. Feels great I'm glad I was able to get a slot seems like you guys are awfully busy today. We are the best baths in town. We're busy everyday. Hey I don't disagree. It just seems like a longer line than usual. Maybe, someone slacking off not showing up for Work Lately, oh? Yeah. Good Ole Bill Bill I think I. Know a Bill who works here? What's his last name Bill Golden Sun Golden Sup. Not The bill I know. But what's with this bill? Anyway, leaving you all to pick up his slack, right? He took Friday off because he was going to look at a house in the country with his girl or so he said. Somebody called him in sick on Sunday and he hasn't been back since. Drunk someplace of course. They'll build bill. I must have seen him around here but I can't place him in my mind. He's built just like a big Dutchman. He has the upper half of a woman tattooed all over his chest, oh. Yeah. That's the guy. Ha has anybody gone to his place tracked him down and told them off no one knows exactly where he lives buddies somewhere in the German neighborhood near thirty third and ninth. There'd be no point in putting in the effort though next time he comes in, they'll just tell him he's fired. Even. Though he was in the middle of a relaxing, massage, ned could feel his heart racing. Bill Goldens up the missing masseur may very well have been the man on the slab and it was the first to figure it out. Golden had gone missing on Friday the day before the torso was found. Somebody else had called in sick for him on Sunday and hadn't been seen since he had the right build and to top it all off yet distinctive type two on his chest right where the flesh had been skimmed from the corpse. Ned was confident William Bill Golden. Sup was his John Doe. But he had to be sure. Once his massage was over, he made his way to thirty third and ninth. He found the nearest bar and spoke to the bartender pretending to be an old friend of Bill's. Hey quick question for you. I'm looking for my old buddy willie you seen him around lately Willie gotTa last name. Up. Oh William. He hasn't been around the past couple of days. Any idea where I might find him. He lives with his landlady in the apartment above Werner's drugstore down the block. He's probably just with her she got plenty of cash. She treats good. He's a hot sketch always after the dame's. You Bet. Ned was ecstatic. Even the bartender hadn't seen golden up for days and he had been shacking up with his landlady golden subs co worker said, he'd I taking the day off to see a house in the country with his girl perhaps Golden Sup had wound up in a fatal love triangle and met his end at her husband's hands ned needed to investigate the apartment and he needed to investigate this woman but he would have. To change tactics, I. If Golden Sup had been murdered by his lover's husband and she had yet to report it, she might have had something to do with the murder as well and if ned came around directly asking about a missing man, she might realize he was onto her she might try to run away and the trail would go cold thinking quickly he returned to the world's headquarters and made a request to his editor. I need ten dollars, ten dollars. What do you need that kind of money for I'm going to buy some really fancy soap soap cost twenty, five cents a bar I'm not just going to give you money to buy fancy soap look for. I. Think I've cracked the case of the cut up in the morgue I. Think I've found his name and I think I've found his killer. I just have to get his lady to let me into his old apartment so I can it. By giving her soap by selling her. So if I sell twenty five cents soap for five cents a bar, there isn't a woman in the world who had turned down that deal. You're a sly one ned fine. Here's your ten dollars now get out there and find your killer. With his plan fully funded Ned, rushed out to the fanciest soap store. He could find and stuffed his suitcase full of twenty five cent. He returned to the tenement buildings in golden subs- old neighborhood that same afternoon soap in hand to truly sell his soap salesman character ned went door to door selling soap to any woman who wanted to buy. Most women in that area were housewives and as soon as they heard of Ned Brown's great deal on soap they were leaning out their windows in telling their neighbors all about it. Every woman in a five block area heard about ned soap and as the sun start to lower in the sky net only had two bars of soap left. He was finally ready to put his plan into. Action. Med made his way to Werner's drugstore. Then climbed the rickety metal steps up to the second floor apartment. A brass name plate was placed in the center of the apartment door that read. Augusta neck licensed. Midwife. Ned smirked the city of New York didn't lie senses two midwives usually when a midwife lied about their credentials, they didn't deal in live births at all. Instead they sold something else entirely. But that wasn't nibs business right now kid come to Golden sups apartment to find golden sub. or The people who had killed him he raised his hand and knocked on the door. A woman answered she looked to be in her upper thirties and had long dark brown hair even though she wasn't beautiful. She had a strange way about her that exude an air of sensuality and intern. An era of danger. Even a man. If you have soap I have quite the deal the Spiel, just give me the soap now unfortunately I'm also though but for you I do have to bars left I just need a testimonial for my next add a testimonial if you could give the SOPA trial now while I wait, I'd be glad to let you have one. All right give me the soap. Handed her a bar of soap and she gestured him inside. As. She made her way to the bathroom sink. Ned took in a full view of the apartment and was not disappointed. Augustus place like she was in the process of moving out. Things were disordered. Rugs were rolled up and boxes were all around. As Augusta washed her hands in the other room. Ned kept his sales pitch going. Really feel the soap smell the fragrance. Let it sit in your skin softly caressing your senses. He was trying to stall so he could find something small anything at all connecting golden up to this apartment. If he could find something worth printing in the paper he would surely be rewarded as his eyes scan the room there seemed to be nothing that belonged to a man. But then on a small side table, he spotted it a photograph of a muscular blond man with a nicely groomed upturned moustache based on the description he'd heard of the man from the Bath House. This was a photograph of Golden Sup himself ned quickly snagged the photo in place it in his pocket just in the water stopped and Augusta returned to the room. This is good soap, but I do not care to be part of any AD. I suppose that's up to you. Know you give me the other soap also here's a dime. Fine. You have a nice day now. Ned pretended to be said, but in reality he was excited. She had noticed him take the photo and now she had led him leave with it. As he stepped back onto the staircase. He took a quick look at the address four, thirty, nine ninth avenue he memorized it then continued his descent. As he made his way down the stairs, another man made his way up ned tipped his hat. But the man did not tip his hat in return. He was an angry looking man with dark hair and an unshaven face he seemed to be in his early thirties but ned paid him little mind ned had his story and his photograph and he returned to the world headquarters that night ned had found more than enough circumstantial evidence to publish the theory that William Golden Sup was the victim and that his mistress and Landlady Augusta neck was somehow involved. Ned was the first to piece all this together and the next morning. The world would be the first to publish it but as ned returned home that Tuesday evening leaving the competition far behind members of hers wrecking crew were racing through the streets investing their own leads. That same night one of hearst's thirty reporters tracking down sales of Diamond B. Three, two, two, zero oilcloth stopped in a dry goods store owned by Max Reiger by checking rutgers ledgers. They found only one address for thirty, nine, nine, th avenue the home of Mrs Augusta Neck. By. Tracking two different trails of evidence to different newspaper had managed to identify the dismembered man lying in the morgue. And yet they're evidence was largely circumstantial when I saw the golden sub story printed in the world. The next day he knew he had been scooped, but the fight wasn't over yet. The world may have beaten him to the golden sub theory, but they beat him to the golden sub proof. We need an identification that can't be denied get the murder squad down to those Turkish baths and have them drag every one of those golden shop co workers to the morgue kicking and screaming if they have to and make sure this woman doesn't know a damn thing about it. Yes sir. On Wednesday June thirtieth members of hearst's murder squad went to the police and had them bring golden subs co workers to the morgue because they worked in a Turkish bath house it was safe to assume that his co workers had seen him naked on many occasions therefore, they would be able to identify his corpse. So. Does. This body belonged to William Golden, up, Oh yeah. That's bill. All right. I thought he was just being lazy. Didn't realize he was here. I'm sure this must be very shocking but I'm afraid I need to ask how do you know this? Is Him well, the hole in his chest as where his tattoo used to be. In that scar on his finger pretty sure. It's him and you know there's something else not to sound disrespectful but I do hope there's something else something about this body that could only be attributed to William. Golden Sup. There absolutely is I just. I don't WanNa be indecent. What happened to this man was far more in decent Sir giving a positive identification is the only decent thing we can do for him okay. Okay. It's HIS PENIS HIS PENIS Golden subs co worker explained. Golden Sup had become known at the Turkish baths for having distinct and uniquely identifiable Pinas. He often told his co workers about how his rabbi had botched his circumcision leaving him with a uniquely shaped foreskin. He often prank is co workers by exposing himself, tricking them into looking at it. Wants a man had been pranked in this fashion. It made it impossible for them to forget the site. Golden subs other CO workers also saw the body has each one viewed the corpse they all told the same story. This was William Golden up when I heard the details of this proof, he knew they were far too lurid to print even for his newspaper. Instead he focused on the other details included a quote from the coroner statement that golden sub had been identified. While Ned Brown and Pulitzer's world had beaten him to the victim hearst would stop at nothing to beat them to the killers. The hunt was on. Thanks again for tuning into solid murders, we'll be back next Wednesday with part two of William Golden Sop we'll see how cutthroat tabloid journalism helped catch the man's killer for more information on the murder of William Golden. Sup. Amongst the many sources we used we found Paul Collins book the murder of the century, the Gilded Age crime that scandalized city in spark the tabloid wars extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of solved murders and all other park has originals for free on. 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Hearst President and CEO Steve Swartz on Helming a 132 Year-Old, Family-Owned Media Powerhouse

KindredCast: Insights From Dealmakers & Thought Leaders

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Hearst President and CEO Steve Swartz on Helming a 132 Year-Old, Family-Owned Media Powerhouse

"Hi. I'm Viva Ramani. And welcome to episode fifty four of kindred cast a biweekly podcast featuring insights from dealmakers and thought leaders from the world of tech media, and everything in between kindred cast is a production of kindred media, powered by lion Trie on today's show. Steve swertz, the president and CEO of Hearst corporation, sits with lion. Tree CO are able or cough to discuss his unique perspectives at the helm of the hundred thirty two year old family run media powerhouse conversation ranges from Hearst, prescient move into business media, and services to swertz, his well, regarded personal style, which she describes as IBM salesman. Circa, nineteen sixty tune into here how Steve and his colleagues are writing the next chapter of this multi generational juggernaut. It is my pleasure to be sitting here with the president and CEO of the Hearst corporation. Mr. Stephen source, thank you very much for being here. Thanks for having me. It is one hundred thirty year history hearse has grown to own conic print and digital brands like bizarre. L cosmopolitan, the San Francisco, Chronicle and more. They also have steaks and Amy ESPN and owned companies in the business information sector like Fitch Ratings was Steve at its two thousand thirteen and in senior positions for decades prior Hearst, which starred as a newspaper business now trousers, all areas of media, finance and business. Steve has one of the more unique executive this in the world as a leader of a very influential mass media company that controls acids of legacy and new media as well. Leading business information conglomerate and doing it as a private company. Steve, welcome. Thank you for being here with us on Kidger cast, thank you hearses one of those companies that I've talked internally about being. Model like it'd be so bold for how to really build a proper family. Run business. Let me just say that. I hope you and I can get together. When we celebrate the hundred and thirty second birthday of Lyon, tree. Thank you very much. If we get to the thirty second birthday lines of you happy to start. You know, we're only seven years in the making so far, but Hearst is a unique company. So tell me why, or how it is to work at a private family owned business. That's generational nature. I think every company is unique in their own way. I think some of the things that said as part I mean, we are a hundred and thirty two years old. We had a very dynamic founder William Randolph Hearst to was constantly challenging the business side to look for the next thing that made sense in the context of a media company, you know, here's someone who was born fabulously wealthy, because his father was one of the most successful miners in the great gold and silver, rush. Senator George Hearst. So he didn't really even have to work, but he went right into the newspaper business because he wanted to make a difference. He bought afternoon newspapers because he wanted to serve. The common man, and that the working man's paper was the afternoon paper, but he pushed us into magazines. He pushed us into radio before he died. He lived a very long life. He bought one of the first television stations and nineteen forty eight so he established our culture at our place of pushing beyond your comfort zone to look for new areas of growth and innovation. And then we had another icon, ick leader, my predecessor Frank Vanik ran the company for almost thirty years, and he pushed us much more into broadcast television and into cable television and got us going in what we call business media, which are companies like fetch. And so, yes, we're privately held we're actually owned by trust. The fact is, they're both management trustees and family trustees that trustees tend to be lifetime appointments. So we have people who keep a long relationship with the company it reinforces, the culture, reinforces the history, I think all of that. Makes it a relatively unique place to work, but there's something about the culture or maybe the charter, or even the trustees that encourage hurston the company and yourself as chief executive to put more money into the company for growth and innovation and not just to manage the assets of old. I really think it starts with the founder and I think that again, because we've had this trustee system, the keeps executives and family members with a long direct relationship with the company, I think that's how these things get passed on, and they don't get lost one of the shame of public companies, people reach a certain age. And then they're out there not only out as CEO or chairman, but they go off the board. One of the things that I think, helps us is that we just have this history that we're supposed to keep pushing we're not just building the company for today's colleagues and today's dividend recipients, but for future colleagues future dividend recipients, and that's just been passed on. I think it's in our DNA when I became CEO, I didn't have to change anything that was already in the culture, and of course, Frank still right down. The hall is our executive vice chairman make ensure that I don't screw things up hardly. But not. Only did you know the mandate when he became executive. But you also knew that the part of the role is to innovate is to change is to diversify the business again. A new business lines which you've done beautifully somewhat say her may not even be described as a media company. I mean, how would you describe? I will we like to think of ourselves as entertainment information and services company, but I would argue that a hundred and thirty two years ago, we were the same thing because when William Randolph Hurst, persuaded his father to let him take over a newspaper that his father, owned as part of a wide diverse holdings of Senator Hearst, the San Francisco Examiner in eighteen eighty seven I would argue at that time and still to some degree today that newspaper, particularly back then was a principal source of entertainment, a principal source of information and provided all kinds of services to the community hundred and thirty two years later. Would argue that we are obviously entertainment through. Yes. PIN through the history and lifetime channels principally in our local stations information. Yes, is still news, but has also morphed over time into financial credit information through Fitch aviation and information through a company called camp that we own fabulous company, and then the services have become more software services camp as an aviation data and software company, we have a couple of medical software company. So I would argue that while the actual execution elements have evolved. We've stayed in three broad areas of entertainment information, and services because one of the reasons why actually start doing this podcast is because of the storytelling opportunity around this industry, and really not only where we're going, but where we've come from, and that's why. By looking forward to this conversation with Steve because you have a sense of media, and information services is not being a static concept, but where we came from and where we're going very much still in growth mode, and innovation mode. And that is a hallmark for the industry. Most times these are public companies and very hard to transition into these new models, as a public company Bentley, when you have a traditional beat ABI business, which is media in most cases now to beat ac- to consumer business, also very difficult the skill set. So everyone says, I wish I was just a private company doing this, but you have the luxury of doing so there's a give you a different way of taking risk of being bold, as a private family, controlled business versus being public whichever wanna Republic ever is a long time. We have no current need or plans to be public one of the great things about our portfolio. Is it generates a very significant amount of free cash that allows us to keep invest? Sting in the kind of businesses that we want invest in without going to the public markets for equity capital and actually using very little debt as well. So, I think, though that it's not so much public versus private. It's a legacy and its credibility. So whether we were public or private, we would not have been able to pull off the expansion that we had over the last several years into more and more business data medical data or business or medical software. If we hadn't had a legacy of doing that which came out of trade publishing, so you go back forty or fifty years through various acquisitions. I don't think trade publishing was ever a top of mind strategy for the company, but through various acquisitions, we got some trade publications some of which we still publish we still publish Lor covering weekly. And if you wanna know what? That's about the name says it all, but it's still a profitable industry publication. So we continue to do that. But back forty fifty years ago, we were publishing magazines called American druggist. We republishing magazine called motor, which was for people who repair cars for living, fortunately, for us, the publishers of those to trade magazines, again, forty fifty years ago decided that as good or better business would be to be collecting data in their industry. And of course, at the time they had the publish this date in big books, because there was no internet, but American druggist spawned, a company called first databank, which we own one hundred percent of, and it is the largest source in this country of drug dosing information, drug interaction information that is relied on by hospitals and pharmacies across this country. And in some other countries that came out of American druggist motor more from a magazine about how to fix cars into a database as to how to fix cars and repair times and, and repair cost estimates. And is now a fabulous data business that is put together. I think it's in the realm of twenty seven or twenty eight straight years of revenue and profit growth, so we did more aggressively decide Frank Bennett, and I when I was fortunate enough to become his chief operating officer in two thousand eleven we jointly decided with the tremendous support of our board, and particularly our chairman will Hearst to push more aggressively into business data and business off wear, and since that decision we've made nine billion dollars of backwards issues in that area alone, including, including Fitch, we own a smaller piece of fish, we now one hundred percent. A fish and what is forever one's audience and sort of a rating agency component kids, one of the global ratings agencies clearly along with SNP and Moody's and Fitch itself has a long history. And I think Paul Taylor and his team are CEO there do a fabulous job, and it's global rating agency and then it has other non raidings financial information product. So it is a large global financial data provider. Now when you say ratings obviously, this is not media ratings. No, you're talking about bond rating. Right. But the debt markets and the financial markets, so you start off as a Wall Street Journal. Reporter, I believe way back when take us through how that skill set and being very well read gives you the qualifications to be overseeing this conglomerate and building this company. Most of us have had any success in life. And if it from just having head great mentors in from the time I joined the Wall Street Journal, I got to work with such giants in the businesses. Norm perlstein and James b Stewart who writes a famous column now for the New York Times. And I think that what you learn as a financial journalist, is how to analyze things you have to some things up quickly. You have to master a number of different industries. So I was fortunate enough to both cover Wall Street than I was an editor on the front page desk, and then you had work on Cynthia. Sizing these big stories that could've come from the farm bureau's or the Washington bureau. So I think it was at still a very young age. Still in my twenties, a great learning experience. And then when I hit expressed to my bosses at the time a long-term desire to be on the business when a chance the Wall Street Journal, and her started talking about publishing the financial magazine. They said to me, my bosses at the journal so, well, this would be a good opportunity for you on Choubey our lead Representative on this project, and that led to the push into the business, interestingly enough that project, which was called thus mart money magazine, which we brought out in nineteen ninety one I think Hearst person that was put on that project. David carey. And he did a fabulous podcast with you, and David went on to run our magazine division in a fabulous way. And we've been good personal and business friends over since. Now, his graduated to becoming a student at Harvard. Now he is on the Harvard campus and advanced leadership program, and I have a son, who's on the Harvard campus as sophomore great from journalists to business person, and then obviously in chief executive senior executive Hertz corporation along the way. What could you point to for your ascendancy, that was an accolade, or sort of a bold Beth that you've made that got everyone's attention saying, well, this person really could lead this company. I don't know that it was anyone thing. And I think most of aside from the way you dress. The. Look, a lot of things in live his lock in being in the right place at the right time as long as you're working hard and trying hard and, you know, I think smart money, the fact that smart money ended up being a successful launch with myself, as the launch editor in David as the launch publisher. I think another thing that actually kinda helped me in an odd way, David decided after we were up and running a couple years to move on. And he joined nother fabulous media company at Conde nast when he moved on Frank Bennett, who has been my principal mentor in life. And I've been very fortunate in that Frank said to me, would you be interested in taking over David's business, I'd responsibilities, and I guess I was around thirty one at the time and I very much was so that was my first time with that. I was fully on the business, and it was really a lucky turn of events both the David decided to move on. And that Frank decided to give me a chance while it's worked very well. And now as the CEO, would you say that the most innovative moves that you've made or the boldest move may have been in the businesses area way from media? I think the biggest decision that Frank and myself and our board med was to push harder in to what we call business media, which is the Fitch and the medical and the transportation data off where businesses because I think it was relatively clear back, then this was early two thousand eleven that the entire consumer media sector some of which were still growing at a rapid rate. Certainly ESPN was knocking the cover off the ball and an e was blowing through their numbers every year PA positively. Yes. But I think it was clear what we were seeing happening with newspapers getting disrupted by technology and magazines getting disrupted by technology and yellow pages. Getting disrupt that the same thing was inevitably going to happen to the television business. Maybe not as dramatically because television, is it self digital business, but was going to happen. Something was going to happen to the model and we were getting at that time, roughly ninety percent of our profits from consumer media. So we decided in our board and our management team. It really is in many respects, like a partnership at Hearst of all of various division heads, and senior executives and our board, and certainly Frank. We decided that let's push more aggressively into an area that was already working for a so we had the credibility. We just weren't as big as we felt we needed to be. And now in two thousand nineteen we expect almost forty percent of our profits to come from these e to be businesses. Meanwhile, what we thought would happen has happened, not in a dramatic way. But clearly we're seeing some changes in the business model of. Television that has not in any way. Made it a bad business. It is still a very good business, but it's growth pattern has clearly been altered by the changing technology and media landscape. Could you give us a sense of speaking out, how big hurston, what the diversification, as well as a private company, we reserve, the right not to talk about our profits? We did about eleven and a half billion dollars of revenue and we run at a very respectable margin and about forty percent of that you'd think is you said as businesses in two thousand eighteen it was thirty three percent of our profits came from the business media. It's business media sits tend to have a higher margin. So they're not as big a percentage of our revenue. But of our profits thirty three and because our business media portfolio is growing at a double digit clip while the consumer media side. Is not growing anywhere near that fast. This year we think it'll be about forty percent of our profits. And obviously, if those patterns continue, and we're pragmatist so we don't know. But obviously, we will move and I think we would be in better shape, if we move more toward a fifty fifty balance or even just given the prevailing climate north of fifty fifty in favor of the BBC stuff. So this is what I'm really impressed with, because we all love the media business, and obviously, you have your tentacles, a lot of places in that business, and that's been a legacy part of the company, but to really plot out a diversified model that gives you hand growth and business diversification. The same time, I think if I could be bold is the beginning of your legacy the long way to go. We both fans of writer. David brooks. I've been studying his concept, even off the New York Times up ED's of what he calls his second mountain. We this is a personal development, but even from a business perspective. We all climb. Our first mountain, we've spoken about it a lot, which you reach your core competency, hopefully around our age groups and then you start to hit a valley of thought about what you really wanna be in the future versus where you came from. And that valley is a very self-aware process of what the business looks like and where you wanna go, and then you start climbing your second mountain, which is kind of a scary place to be because not where you came from. But it could be a very joyful productive exuberant experience because it's really taking on a new chapter. Once you have a purpose about that, then it can be transcended. That's how I think about you. But how you're working with hurston transforming the business in your direction? Well, first of all, David Brooks is fabulous and perhaps the best columnist writing today, and like you on excited to hear about his new book, and to read it at hers. I've already read it. Area. You're nothing if not flunked doesn't surprise me at all. I think that it hurts. At least it really is a partnership. I don't look at this as in any way my legacy, again, we're building on William Randolph Hearst, did. And Frank bin ich did, and he still with it. We still have this fabulous group of trustees who are both some retired members of senior management who are still very actively involved, some daily, we're just very blessed all of the divisions of hers, whether it would be Jordan were LeBron Hearst television are thirty three stations or David. And now Troy young running magazines Mark all them who's now our chief operating officer at the corporation, but he ran newspapers for many years. Now. Jeff Johnson neared Kim Lonnie who helps us oversee our entertained before we just have fabulous group of folks, Paul Taylor at Fitch or can great camper. We just have a fabulous group. Of really CEO's of their own business eve, Burton Burton, our chief, legal officer and matures CFL, I'm going to leave somebody out some purpose about this. But, you know, we just have a fabulous group of folks in its collective partnership again. We got a great board. Very supportive will Hearst in the hers family. So it's a collective and really what we've done is really a continuum that starts with the founder. So we're just building off of that to some respects in it. See David Brooks thing on YouTube, so I guess I'm a little familiar to some degree. I think what he could also be talking about, is what people do outside of work, and we all work most of the time. But obviously, there's also can be another leg that doesn't necessarily have to interfere with what you're doing businesswise. But, you know making more of giving back more of a philanthropic commitment, more of the civic commitment. And there again, you know, working at hers, that's just. Baked into the DNA. We are all expected. We've got David carry now up at Harvard in this advanced program, trying to learn more about the not for profit sector that will influence what he does either in his business life or in his private life going forward. Certainly, many of our trustees will is very Finland. Thraw bec- Frank Bennett spin on the New York Presbyterian hospital board for forty years and has served as its chairman served as chairman Lincoln center. So we learned that Franken regard because the chairman of the center, yet for Germany into the center, so trying to follow in his footsteps, there's well and, and, you know, work on things like Lincoln center. I'm also pleased to be on the board at New York Presbyterian, a very a privilege to be on that Boorda, chairman of the Associated Press. So some of that is what one does to make a contribution in areas that are not directly, but can be related to what you. Do in the workplace for sure. I want to talk about the area of partnerships because Hurst has been known over long time with one very notable example, which we're going to bring up of being just a phenomenal partner, contributing partner investor, but one that's very easy to work with, and obviously very productive to work alongside and these referred to ESPN. So Hearst for longtime at a twenty percent owners reviews peon in partnership with Disney, which has been the majority holder, take us through how that came to be, and why that parts of it works so beautifully relation with Disney overall. Well, yeah, I mean we're just so fortunate to be tied. Disney is innovating on so many levels when you're thinking about the great CEO's in general, or particularly great CEO's in the media business. You've gotta start with Bob Eiger. So the history of it is hurston ABC, when it was a stand alone company back in. The early eighties Leonard Goldensohn the phenomenal men who build ABC and Frank Bennett came together and decided to have television partnership, that would aim at this new thing called cable television and out of that partnership came the lifetime channels, and eventually the history channel Leonard also bought for ABC ESPN, then capital cities, the fabulous team of Murphy, and Burke with Warren Buffett as their biggest shareholder came in and quired ABC. So our partner became cap cities ABC during that time twenty percent of ESPN that was not owned by cap cities ABC came up for sale that twenty percent had been owned by the RJR, Nabisco company, and after the famous takeover by KTAR that spawned the book and movie barbarians at the gate. They decided that they needed to sell down some non-core assets to pay down dead. And so they put their twenty percent and Frank and his colleagues at the time acquired that twenty percent aided by the fact that there was a comfort level at cap cities, that we would be a good twenty percent holder to their eighty. I know they regret not actually buying it themselves. But we benefited from that, and then in the mid nineties, Disney acquired cap cities, and they have been our partner ever since and the relationship is really fabulous. And it's really across a huge swath of our media portfolio. So clearly Disney owns and controls ESPN. They own eighty percent. We own twenty percent. We like to think that we're very supportive and been good board members. But they're calling the shots and Jimmy Petar the relatively new head of ESPN is just doing phenomenal job. He fifty fifty we and Disney own. On eighty history in lifetime and some of their other channels together, and we have a relatively new CEO there. Paul Bucci hairy who once against just doing a phenomenal job running any, and then we own fifteen ABC affiliate television station. So we're really all in, in the television business as a partner of Disney, you look at what Bob has done, first of all, you know, realizing I think before just about anybody did that cable had carried the game for a long time. And while cable wasn't going away. New growth needed to be put in place and Bob position. Disney to have that new growth from blockbuster brands and his acquisitions of Star Wars, and marvel and picks are just totally put them in place for a new era of growth, and certainly inspired us for us. We couldn't go into the movie business. William Randolph Hearst had tried that decided that wasn't for us and move. Moved on. But for us that new Lega growth was business media, I was very inspired by what Bob had done at Disney. And now he's positioning Disney as the leader in going direct to consumer with the great brands and we're already benefiting. Yes. Bien pluses, off to a great start as a relatively new streaming brand. So we couldn't have a better or more important partner than Disney. Yeah. But that partial continues to evolve mean the eighty twenty partnership peon that's clear. They call the shots your reporter and you probably obviously very involved in what's happening even though Disney's and. A fifty fifty partnership is not easy because usually a fifty one forty nine or someone has to call their shot, but fifty fifty you coming together making decisions together is wherever an issue like who has a hand when there's a I mean it's really been great over many decades. This is one of those partnerships where the contract never comes out of the drawer. We've always been able to jointly make decisions and keep things going. And any has just had phenomenal growth over the last thirty years. What do you think now that the Disney FOX deal is closing or just closed, or set the close, depending on, when we actually released this podcast? It's a obviously very much imminent that is now going to be a content drug or not with direct consumer offering and getting bigger and bigger in his own. Right. How does that change your with Disney? And is there some sense of the partnership is kind of left behind, or will that ultimately be part of that whole contents? Edgy. Well, I can't speak for Bob or Kevin mayor or any of our great partners there. They'll have to and do a great job of laying out their own strategy. All I can say about it, and he is it, it's a big company. It's a significant company on its own. It's a significant part of our significant part of Disney's earning. So you can't imagine anything of that size and quality. I mean right now, and he has pretty much any way you slice it three networks in the top twenty so they don't think you get everything in terms of an e being left behind as significant s but we are in a scale moment for media. Right. Which is evidenced by the Disney FOX deal eight to two Time Warner. Comcast sky other notable examples as well. Do you get concerned about being subscale orders? You're partial Disney, make you feel more comfortable. You're either to one of the scale players, but we'll see. I mean, obviously, as you say the landscape keeps changing I wouldn't single any outlook every. Media business regardless of its size is evaluating change and trying to figure out what the future is. And it's hard to say if you wanna look out five ten years, where we'll be where the traditional bundle will be where new bundles will be how big affect your will streaming be what will be the relative consumption patterns traditional brands, versus more, Netflix, or Amazon, of course, Disney will now control fabulous, Brandon Hulu. And so I just think for all consumer media brands what the future holds is hard to predict, but all I'll say about an e is three channels in the top twenty I feel pretty good about the top twenty on the cable dial. Yeah, but how do you think about from direct consumer perspective, but we'll have to see, I mean, I think everything in the direct to consumer world is relatively nascent except for Amazon, and if you other players, so, yeah, Netflix, of course. So we'll see. Yeah. And broader topic on technology mean technology has to be brought into any businesses days, not just about the consumer video places even software companies and business services and even this podcast. Right. This is a new technology, even though it sounds like an old technology and the audio business. Your first podcast, I'm happy to be welcoming you into the new frontier here, but tell me about how Hearst, incorporates technology know-how in partnerships United together, the Microsoft CEO summit. So I know that you're in the game and involved, but how do you think about as a business leader? Well, obviously, there are many layers of technology. I think what we're most excited about is what we think, is the dawning of phenomenal new age of productivity across businesses across the world in, you know, much is been written. Professor Gordon wrote the seminal book about how what has happened in the modern era. Has not produced the same level of dramatic leaps in productivity, as we had with the dawning of electricity. Refrigeration aviation would have you kind of thing that so far, the digital revolution of the streaming revolution or whatever kind of hasn't really produced that level of change. And there's been a lot written about Larry Summers in particular about a level of stagnation, and the economy. I think, though that we're on the cost with artificial intelligence machine learning opportunities for automation. I think we're on the cusp of a great leap in productivity, and we're excited about it, and trying to use it across every Hearst business mostly from the notion that armed with insights pattern recognition in what have you from the computational power? That's out there today. That no individual has the time or resources to do. I just think our folks across the creative side, the business. I defined scan be making better decisions, and I think that's going to be pushed across so a big focus for us that Mark all the Marci fop rating officer is leading is just to make sure that we are integrating machine learning. And there aspects of artificial intelligence in every business operation using fabulous off the shelf, tools, hiring, some fabulous, statea, scientists, and mathematicians. And what have you to make sure that we're constantly trying to take our data put it into better forms, and then run some learning against it and make better decisions, so projecting or speaking for our audience here, and listen to you talk, you sound like a very sophisticated Stewart of capital and business executive, but there's also a very funny. And warm and inspirational side to Steve sports, because I know that side of you and you could let it out a little bit here. It's safe because we do share with each other are year and letters that we send up to our people, and I'm grateful that you haven't trusted me to read your and get a sense of your leadership style. And I appreciate your taking a look at mine, and giving me your feedback as well. But give me a sense of how you lead. It's a big company obviously, you have company of a deep bench, you have Frank as inspirational executive vice chair and leader, but really, it's kind of a lonely job. So leadership is really there to serve the people and the company and you do a great job of that. And I saw that really through, you're writing your letter. So what does your style who I, I love the concept of any annual letter because hopefully our colleagues benefit from it because we're relatively diversified company. And we want them to have a full appreciation of everything that's going on the opportunities the challenges, and where each of our may. Divisions is headed your letter is notable for a lot of business insight, but you also have book recommendations, which takes it, one step farther than mine, or even Warren Buffett's. And I think all of us are inspired by Warren's letters. I've read them all and commend anybody who hasn't read them, all they are phenomenal forty plus years of business history. And maybe going on fifty years of business history and insight and wisdom. And it's just amazing to read them. So I think many of us who write letters, Jamie Dimon, of course, rights phenomena letter are inspired by Warren, and his ladder riding at that, Microsoft, comatose able to tell war, and, and then typical and he immediately turned around and recommended two or three letters that I should read that I hadn't read before just a fabulous. That was a great time to warn we got to go to Bill, Gates's house and see the library and in, you know, Saudi and the Dow's doing such a fabulous job running Microsoft. So that was. Great to be able to be that conference leadership. I think today not just for Hearst. But for most businesses is about collaboration. It's about working through differences to come up with a shared vision. Everybody's going to have different perspectives. Not all of our senior team gonna gre- on everything, but getting people comfortable, and with a path, and working through and building consensus for it working with our management team. Our trustees are bored. I think it's a lot about that. And I think things like an annual letter can add clarity because it's a very fast moving world and sometimes you gotta step back at Hearst. I think, again, we're fortunate that whoever is in the ios spot is supported by group, trustees and board members and again, fabulous senior folks, and I said, I know it leaves somebody out, but did wanna mention you know, rich Malik who are executive vice president for business media Willie was integral to. Building that portfolio that we have of businesses today. So tell something interesting about Stephen Schwartz. Most people don't know. Well, interesting is a loaded word, and what do you do for fun? I love to read loved to read history. I think the one volume biography of Churchill that came out that the New York Times pushed hard is just really. I mean what a life what an amazing lie that rob. Andrew Roberts, just phenomenal. And like to be current and reading about policy in thinking, and you've recommended the trilogy the sapiens and. To home dad. So those are great by the Israeli he's fabulous. And so I've read all of those I like to read a lot, I like to watch a lot of ESPN. My wife says, you know, I hope you don't think this is actually counts. His business sitting there watching, you know, basketball game or football game and lacrosse games and travel or your wife likes travel. My wife is always planning something, and thank goodness because we get to see the world to her, and then finally, I'm trying to learn how to play golf, I think after a year and a half of lessons, making a little bit of progress. It's great because it concentrates the mind, there's a little ball, sitting on a nice piece of grass. The ball doesn't move and it's just so confounding the inability to hit it squarely is quite a challenge, but making progress my one recommendation for you on that topic of golf is, I would suggest you pick a ping pong. Instead, it's a lot, more efficient fifteen minutes, you're done you can go back home. Go back to your office, and you get the same kind of rush to say this about pink pie. I was a good ping pong player when I was a kid, we had a table in our basement, and a sister who was two years younger, and she would got invited to all the parties when we were in high school, and I wouldn't. So I would be in the basement playing with another guy who didn't get invited to the parties either we got very good at ping pong, but I had a humbling experience. And I think all of us do as we get older, and particularly as our kids get older ones, almost twenty one and one's about to turn seventeen and they became such great ping pong players. I taught them to play. And now I don't think they'll play with me, and if they would I wouldn't enjoy it, so we have much retired after seeing how far you can play it into your older ages. I pride ourselves that we have a ping pong table here in the office from day one, and even as grown, we've kept it in a flushed out all the best ping pong players media because they come over here to play some with a change of clothes because they're so. Serious about it. And they're so good at it that they come in, and they wanna make sure they don't get to work up. Steve. I appreciate your being here finished with us on the book that you're reading today that we should all take advice from, I'm reading so many at the same time right now and what I've really been trying to do. I'm reading about two or three all in the realm of machine learning or artificial intelligence, and I can't for the life of me. Remember the names of any of the three but I think all of this needs to really educate ourselves in that area and be on the cutting edge. And, you know, one last anecdote from the Churchill book, he wasn't just a visionary in terms of where he saw the menace of Hitler and Nazism. He was incredibly knowledgeable about the technology of the day. He had this quirky professor, who would come. Visit him all the time and make sure that he was totally current on military technology. Aviation technology. So when he took over he really was ready to lead the British war effort. I'm trying to learn from that all of his can learn from that none of us is innate -ly as knowledgeable 's, we should be about these areas, but we all have to both read as much as we can, but also find the people either inside our company or outside who really know about this, and make sure we're constantly talking this through because I think the implications are very great indeed side note, because you're gonna talk about golf, all the things are interested in, but really from my perspective where you thrive is in your style, and how you dress and I have that whenever I got up in the morning knowing on a C you it changes the way that I dress because I feel like after Brandt because they're one of the more impeccably-dressed executives out, not the fed anyone else out there. But you just adopt above. Well, let me just respond to that by saying since people can't see the two of us on this podcast as I sit here. I am in my usual uniform, which is kind. Kind of IBM salesman. Circa, nineteen sixty I have a navy blue suit on a white shirt, a blue tie and black high socks. I'm looking over there a bore cough, who looked like he just stepped out of a plug one of our publications Esquire. I mean, there is a subtle check shirt, there's a striped tie that goes exactly what the colors of the check. There's a very interesting, shall we say, I know he spent some time in London. There's a very British looking kind of cardigan and the sued has a lot of subtle texture to it. I mean this man is really well dressed, and he knows it. So the last time area came and visited Hearst he was as turned out as he is today, and he insisted that we take a picture. So my sister took a picture. And then area had the picture framed and he sent it to the house, and we're not sure who did it may have been one of the boys may been somebody's who here's a picture. So in our family room, we have pictures of all of our family members, you know, the kids cousins, nephews nieces, whatever and one day, I'm looking at it with my wife and we're both looking. We says, how did bore cough getting our family collection? So there is the picture of area at me right in the middle of the sports family election. So that just for me underscores the ubiquity of area, bore cough, he is truly these elig of modern New York life. Live ratio, many ways to cover a client, and this is one of our. Coach. Well, I'm glad that were on audio and not being visualized. We look nothing like the way. Okay. Well, thank you for being with us on kindred cast. And I look forward to the continuing to learn from you and our collaboration. And watching you thrive both in giving back as well as in your sheep executive rollovers. Well, thank you area agree, pleasure. Thank you very much. I hope you enjoyed our show today. 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Tuesday 4/21/20 - Did Nixon Ban Weed To Combat Hippies?

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Tuesday 4/21/20 - Did Nixon Ban Weed To Combat Hippies?

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Thirty forty years Because people like Hayes is marijuana is canvas really bad? And the last time this happened was late sixties early seventies when Richard Nixon was President K and Nixon. You know at that time. It was a lot of unrest right. Sixty saw the JFK assassination. We had the Vietnam War. We had civil rights movements. Robert Kennedy was killed. It was like a crazy time at woodstock. Nineteen sixty eight all of that and a part of that was like the giant antiwar movement. And then you had kind of a A more I don't know if I want to call a militant but you had a more aggressive civil rights arm with like the Black Panthers and people like that and Nixon wanted none of that guy so there was this commission that Nixon actually started He you know is called the The Schaefer Commission and the formal name of it with the National Commission on marijuana and drug abuse and Nixon like got started nineteen seventy and he appointed this guy. Who's the governor of Pennsylvania to run this program? So they do all these studies they try it out on people they observe people you know and they basically two years later present this giant report saying weeds. Fine like no big deal like people. Don't get addicted. It's not a gateway drug doesn't make people violent. It's actually the opposite people get high. They become more timid Bought that didn't work for the Nixon Administration narrative because what they really wanted was a way to go after their political enemies meaning Basically in black people okay and the hippies those were like there to like you know they didn't want an anti war movement with the hippies didn't want comprehensive like civil rights and things they want people to shut the fuck up and stay put and they were able to While they're doing this Schaefer study. They pass these things they had. They were GONNA put marijuana as temporarily as a schedule one drug meaning schedule and it has no medical benefits and it's highly addictive. So like the the most serious crime are most serious drug half and like they put marijuana in there and then they also attach like if you get caught with it. Mandatory Minimum Sentences. So anywhere like you get caught with you know depending on how much you have anywhere between two in ten years so big fucking deal to have weed on you in the sixties and seventies and there is a quote that came out you know years years later by a former. Nixon aide he goes. You understand what I'm saying right. We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or to be black but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and black's with heroin and then criminalising both heavily. We could disrupt both of those communities we could arrest their leaders raid their homes. Break up their meetings and vilify them night after night on the evening news Do we know that we are lying about drugs? Of course we did. So that was a guy like you know. In the Nixon in the Oval Office with Nixon crafting up these strategies and policies. Being like yeah we read the Shaffer. We don't doubt the veracity of their findings fucked them anyways. We're going to say it's horrible and use it to go after people and basically just to get like get rid of their enemies and so where people I mean because it wasn't legal before Nixon right but there is like a push like if you think like the scene at Woodstock it's all people just doing drugs and there was like this like hey. Is this actually bad? Like it became like in the in the forties and the fifties. It was not really as big of a part of the culture As it became an sixties and then into seventy so it was like the like every it seems like it bubbles up like we should reevaluate how we feel as a country about marijuana so they they're like okay like we'll play. We'll do the Schaefer. Commission Schaefer Commissioned Five has findings that the knicks immigration doesn't like so they don't use it and instead they like kind of ramp up their ability to Persecute and then prosecute people who use it because it was a frequent You know hippies used it. Blacks used it. So that's why they like. They specifically use marijuana and heroin. According to this quote Jesus Man Jeeze next fucking schyster. He was a good way to put it like dishonest. The only guy ever to be thrown out of office. You know other people have been impeached. But he was the only one that was so bad that they had to get rid of them. Okay so he's creating these yeah. He created the war on drugs. You hear that phrase like there's a war on drugs but it's really just a war on people that Richard Nixon doesn't like he starts a dare program That's a good question. I feel like that might have been Nancy. Reagan like she was the whole like say no to drugs. Like you know that might be a thing of the eighties. So I I wasn't dared. Did you have there at the you know so? Listen to this dare at my school. It was always the sixth graders And when I was in fifth grade I was like all right next year and then we went to sixth grade and they moved into fifth grade. Oh you missed it. I missed it by class completely. Missed it so anybody who is a big drug who got hooked on drugs in my class. Cy Fault the dare. Yeah and you. You missed the whole speech about how it's a gateway drug and if you try we'd once then you're going to be for you know what you're shooting heroin into your arm unbelievable. I wish you know we have fucked up. We that was like a serious thing in middle school like it was we had. It was taught by a police officer. So you have a guy like you'd have your normal like take English class or whatever you had taken fifth grade and then that your next class was like a guy with a gun on his belt in your soil like everybody like he had everybody's attention says how it wasn't my school that's relegation award. We move from here. Yes so from here. You can kind of bring it up to modern day because now you know all across United States. It's becoming legal or decriminalized state by state and everybody's. Kinda like rejoicing right. Like it's like hey like yeah. Cool like Illinois's legal No Massachusetts Colorado off the whole west coast legal everywhere that the narrative has been been changed so that stock their propaganda stock for about forty five years. Give or take. I mean whenever the first State when legal. I don't know what it was like. Medical was legal in in California for a while. Like maybe since the nineties I WANNA say Or at least early two thousands and then you know all the kind of the the hippie states like Vermont kind of Went Colorado Colorado Oregon. Like you know this you know little by little and now it's it's more and more mainstream like it's just it feels like maybe like the southeast is the only place that doesn't Doesn't have Li life but the biggest grower because they grow it for the US government as old. Mrs Campus there. Yeah shocking enough so like miss has like an Agriculture Department and this I mean this fact is a couple years old. Maybe it's Maybe somebody WHO's passing. But there was a time where the the leading grower of cannabis in the United States was University of Mississippi. That's crazy kids. They're a lot like they're not breaking into the dining hall. Steel like the love Oreo. They're going to the fucking weed weed factor. But I don't think you can fucking twenty four hours locked out. Yeah yeah there's a will. There's a way maybe like a couple of baggies if you're like a volunteer at the program some fucking France will motherfucker. I'm sure I'm sure there's some something going on but it's not just the United States. It's actually this movement to legalize. It is everywhere and one country that took a huge step And I the article. I read the first country to make Cultivating selling and consuming marijuana fully legal. was Uruguay. So I know. It's like the Netherlands You always hear about like Amsterdam. It's been it's been legal but you have to like smoke it in particular places. I'm not sure what the what the Laws are for actually growing it and distributing it. I think there's there little murky as but like Uruguay. You can just do anything like it's it's you know on the books on the record law that you can grow it you can sell it smoke it outside. Smoke it outside smoking inside smoker wherever you want. It's your fully okay. So they're the first one so everyone's kind of paying attention to to Uruguay. And now this gets into where it gets Kinda shady conspiratorial now so. I'm going to just list off some names. We've already had had some big ones. We had Nixon We had William Randolph hearst. You know the name George Soros. I do okay. A guy who's like you say that name like People's ears perk up. You say the name. Monsanto ever heard of that. Yeah that's the crop company right exactly so they make like basically pesticides okay so long story short okay. There was this company and we're GonNA talk about David Rockefeller to throw him into the mix and Henry Kissinger. We're touching them. All this part so back in the in the nineties there was company out of the Netherlands called Horta farm or to farm Was the leader in collecting all of these different types of marijuana seats so they had like eight hundred different so every strain of marijuana here like oh Kobe. Cushion like Obama's got one named after him they all have their own seat and this company collected all of these seats eight years later in nineteen ninety eight. They made a deal with the company out of Great Britain called GW pharmaceuticals GW pharmaceuticals. Then struck a deal in the early two thousands with Bayer Bayer then merge and had they have an agreement with Monsanto so Bayer like your aspirin huge huge company. I want and I want to say that they tried to like have this merger or or almost a hostile takeover Montana Montana for a I think the prices like sixty billion dollars some summit absurd number but what that gives it gives. Monsanto the keys to that original deal with Horta farm. Because it's like a chain of like we're like all these mergers right in a row so now. Monsanto can develop Now that they have access to all the seeds they can develop a pesticide for big crop. Marijuana's so like now they because they have to test all the seeds and have access to them to study them. So there's been rumors and stuff that George Soros. Who's of a player with Monsanto and he's also a big time player in Uruguay that he was behind like getting legalized there and he sits on this on this thing called the drug policy alliance which is out of New York City and he said he's like the chairman of the Board of that thank so he's pushing legalization everywhere because he wants like his big chemical companies Dow Monsanto to be able to benefit from basically coming up with these sees that are resistant to pass the sides to stop right there with a little long so Look for part two tomorrow. That's par one. Thanks for listening.

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Episode 151: The Story of Maria Barberi

the memory palace

11:06 min | 1 year ago

Episode 151: The Story of Maria Barberi

"This is the Memory Palace I'm nightmare stacked in the long tables of women at stools bend shoulder to shoulder to shoulder vest and another cuff in another stitching hours the heat of the factory different than the heat back home the village on the hill other stitching days together but when those days would end dark is face a little smeared boot black but a bright smile always we're the odds and those close at the day's turn to flirtation the old rules still had to apply secret rendezvous wouldn't fly he knew where they lead had smiled at her at all she didn't think of herself as the sort of woman men's mild at when he would talk to her about the money he had and how if they got married and went to his and she slept with him she may accounts differ on another night two in April of eighteen ninety-five the no one would have her now that she was no longer a virgin and he had promised marry her and there she is in the bar the smell of smoke in spilled beer address Lampley glinting off the blade was there to make sure of it Solo Sweeney's only pigs Mary in turn back to his the knife across his neck and he spun away blood spraying on the men spraying translator told the judge she had only wanted to make him bleed a little I love him anymore he may never have loved her that at least she would have her reputation sing sing prison as she waited her turn in the electric chair but enter case there in eighteen ninety-five made a last minute bid for the title of crime it codes of honor. KAFFA guilt reformers women's rights activists seven year old woman just two years into her life in the United States on behalf of the various causes highlighted by her plight stories she could mean now by the state petitions were signed demanding a new trial. The Governor of Arkansas William Randolph hearst Joseph Pulitzer engaged in a fierce competition as each his family dominicos friends the bar owner the society women who had life two of the warden in prison who took it upon herself to teach Maria English I don't know if she understood everything that was happening around her many of all of those articles she can understand so much of it was different from the story she told the police when she was arrested there before that coerced into sex I with alcohol and then with the promise of marriage earlier she snapped brain went blank could tell us how much better her English God during those hours all those days in the courtroom the jurors in their own language when they quitter after an hour's deliberation public moved onto their next new characters to follow she saved the life of a woman from fire that broke out in their building and again not long live her life that side of newspapers as a free woman uh assistance from Elisa McGraw it is a proud member of Radio Topa network you like to do from time to time I wanna tell you about another member Radio Toby red typically to hilarious effect years later by their grownup sells it is a superfund all the other eighty toby shows at Radio Tokyo Dot FM by me on twitter and facebook at acts.

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369: Suzanne Santo

Duncan Trussell Family Hour

1:34:33 hr | 1 year ago

369: Suzanne Santo

"Bomb bomb bomb bomb bumper to coming in Nordahl call bomb bomb bomb bomb. This is mortal instead of playing the news. From this point forward is going to play the sounds of people fighting over fast It fear is a very small stage vast cosmic arena of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in Glorion triumph. They they could become the momentary masters. Look doc all this vast coakley from elsewhere to see US doc Yeah and Friends that was only a TACO. Oh by MS Carol be and the coffin bugs. You can get that on Magna rex records. It's your noble host Sir. Arthur D. trussell. Welcome to my podcast and thank you so much for listening. I'm here in Los Angeles. Getting Ready to head out to the Denver comedy works in this weekend with my dears bud. Johnny Pemberton. So I'm getting ready for that. I've been bubbling my feet and vats of stem cells. I've been around big AAC Mayo. 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We need crisps. We need cauliflower are bred things you need a variety of jams and orients and little kid stuff macaroni packs. I can find any of it but I did happen. Happened to run in today's guest. Suzanne Santos who is a brilliant musician. She is amazing. You've definitely hurt her on a band. Honey honey she's got an amazing solo album out right now called Ruby Red and she is a brilliant hilarious human so strap strap in. PS If there's any dudes out there similar to thor. She's recently single and she sent out the signal calling down all norse gods odds whether that's an external style nor Scott or an internal style north God and I don't think that God like qualities needed to be just limited to the norse mythology is. I'm sure she'd be open to all divine archetypes embodied within the human form if you like the F. H.. Won't you do do me a huge favor and subscribe to me over at Patriotair Dot com slash age where you shall get commercial free episodes of this podcast along with extra the hour long rambles excedrin. Also my dear darling friends. We have a shop which has tons of new shirts posters posters stickers and a lot of other cool stuff that we are constantly updating. You can find all that along with tour dates at Doug at trestle dot com and finally Eh if you enjoy this podcast of scribe to it. Won't you okay darling here. We go without further ADO. Everybody opened up your beautiful awful. God Nigel's and send radiant beams of divine light spinning through the ether. So they delicately rain down upon today's guest asked Suzanne Santo. Yeah Hey welcome back to the AFC things Dunkin thank you so much here. This is cool I. This is my favorite way for podcast. The happen and which is I ran into you. The grocery store sure sure did and we were going to hang out and then I went all like. Oh No I have to monetize my conversations these days. We have a free chat over coffee. This is most recorded so I apologize for that but thank you thank you and you know. I've been following you on instagram. Holy Shit. The P like you're performing you've been performing in front of it. Seems like the entire planet like these audiences are so massive and terrifying. I having brings idea pictures these audiences and you're you're on TV all the time like you been. You're like well. How are you dealing with all that? All it's really funny. I the only time I ever really did get nervous was when we did live TV performances because so I played with artists. Hosur Irish lead had that big hit. Take me to church and it was great. I mean I oh I definitely. It wasn't my music so I didn't have that pressure to carry the show. I just did what I do you. Best searchers have a good time right and so that's you know and that's that's a good energy to bring to any situation but you know let alone a live performance like when you're which is kind of free it's it's a collective freedom you know you kind of have like that license to just enjoy yourself and it's something I've actually really really converted into my own. Music is like I learned so much playing with Jose and I was an apprentice on a lot of ways and I was limited which was humbling bling. You know because I didn't get to you know when you do background vocals you sing a specific way to support the artists that you're singing with short and so you know I definitely could feel the restrictions as a front woman you know that like need to to really just let loose. But you don't do that 'cause obviously I'm like I had a job to do painful sometimes though you know it I wish this were my show. I never felt like covetous because I really love Andy Hosea. His name is Andy. I really love him and care about his music. You know but I definitely was like missing my Own thing and there was. There were times when I was so exhausted from just because they really toward hard I mean it was like a blur so much simpler right right and how many shows approximately I toured with them from August of like rehearsals were month. We did did a lot of rehearsals in the basement of this old club in Dublin. So I wouldn't see sunlight for weeks. It was like this old well like I would imagine. It was probably a couple hundred years old. Maybe maybe I'm wrong a but anyway. We did extensive rehearsals. And then I mean I would say hundreds maybe yeah. It had to have been hundreds because I toured until July of this past summer. My last show with Kim was Glastonbury so I played in front of like sixty thousand people and then I got on a plane came home and I I walked into the door of my apartment and I was just like okay all right. I'm actually had this really crazy experience because I told you earlier that they sold the house. I live in and they did a lot of big changes while I was gone so it was just like the worst time to come home and then have my home. Life changed dramatically when they cut down all the trees on the property. God that's the worst and and then they took all the grass and everything else so it was literally just like an ocean of dirt and I felt like I had this moment from where I felt like Alec Baldwin and Gena Davis and beetlejuice when they realize they're dead and they can't leave the house because the sand worms. I was like standing on my front door import and I was like Oh my God and my dead. Yeah that's what it's like. I think it's a perfect description situation because you go from one dream which is already the most bizarre dream. It's a dream that very few people get to experience experience. That is very true for a lot of people would be their version of hell to find themselves suddenly standing in front of sixty thousand the people. That's a nightmare but then to jump out of that dream to come back to your senior year and it's a sea of dirt. I sometimes sometimes I really without sounding psychotic. Sometimes I am pretty convinced that this thing that we're in right now just one big fucking joke. Yeah Yeah Ah I feel like a joke dream. It's a dream and sometimes it's a joke. Sometimes it's not but that you know it's like well in all transparency. So you know. I left the tour early because I needed to make my next record and I had started i. I also opened opened for Hosmer last winter in Europe and it went really well so I had all this traction. I had an agent. I have an agent now overseas and they wanted to book me Dan these festivals and things and so I had to make that leap or take that leap to say. Hey I I have to leave this tour and like you know it's comfortable financially. Actually like everything is fucking done for you. All you do is sleep rock in fucking party and like you you wake up and there's catering there's food in a lot of ways it's not a good thing not and I'm not a lazy person so like after a while I had a hard time with the lifestyle. Oh I think just because I knew how much work I needed to do for my other projects and and not to sound grateful because it was amazing. But you know you get to this point where you're like. I got to get out of this right. So it's pretty ironic to have come home to a sea of dirt and be like all right. Now you got to rebuild old and it took me a while to get over it like I definitely was really fragile. Call my mom crying all the time being done like what's happening. You mean you felt like when you say done you mean you felt like you peaked or something. Yeah but it's not true at all that's just like a lie. I was you know kind of caught up in. Yes okay balancing around my brain for a minute but he says the success is the strangest things yeah because people who get it feel like they're or failing more than people who don't have it. Yeah it's the most bizarre thing the more it's like what is that line. There's that great song. My friend did a cover of it. Oh my God it. Does that Song Go. It's like don't play the chords of love. You know that. Sano what is it. It's like a song about It's so the lines are something like I saw them on. The stage last night by the stage is ninety breathed his last breath a needle full of heroin was all Jesus owed so think about the more you succeed the more you will fail. Yeah don't play the yeah. Why the cords words of love don't play the chords of fame? Okay I know is it's like an old truth to that I mean I think the thing is it's like in any profession in any position of power whether year you know the manager of a restaurant or you're you're a lead singer of a band or you know you have your own podcast. You have to manage yourself. You have to manage your emotions and yes you go and you're fucking gratitude. That's a big one I've noticed in some of my friends that have risen to success or fame or whatever you WanNa call it I think success and fame mm-hmm or two different things by the way I don't know if oh yeah yeah I mean that's not like Fame can be like tear disease. It's you know so it was an interesting thing to sort of be in proximity to with hoosiers crazy fan like they're great. I didn't want to say crazy. But he he has like superfan rabbit people that like spend their life savings going to his shows and we'll get weird when people would try to get to the band to get to him you you just Kinda like feel for the guy you know what he does it really well. How does he handle it? He is very gracious. He he usually says hi to every single person after the show but I have an immune system of steel. I don't know about about that may maybe I mean. Here's the thing personally when I do that. After my shows I usually end up. Losing my voice talk to you. It's there's like there's a you know. Depending on how big the crowd is sometimes. It's not that big. It's walk in the park but at the end of the day. Kind of back to what I said you know. You just have to be a good person like right. That's it and that can be really hard when you're really Lee successful and and your boss okay. So if you're a boss and people make their living in their employed by you there's all of a sudden in this like you know there's a there's a chain of command there's a hierarchy and you're aware of it right and then like someone someone that feels really good right feels really fucking good to be a boss. Sure but you're still accountable. And that's where I think people really lose. They dropped the ball. I I think it's sort of like was it was Bernie Sanders on Rogan. That he was talking about no. It wasn't Bernie. Who the fuck was it? If you had any advice for politicians of today what would you say. I think it was burning. I could be wrong. It's okay to be wrong. Yeah sure like make a mistake and own. It sure. You're like wait. That's what he said I that's what somebody said the thought I could be wrong but you when you make a mistake. It's okay. I got confused. Yeah that was what the quote was. What was the line was? It's okay to be wrong in a position of power. It's okay to be wrong and be a senator or governor and like you. You don't have to lose your job because of its sure you know. Yeah we have really ridiculous expectations for our celebrities and leaders insane. We expect them to be god-like or to manifest like Jesus Jesus level patients and Steph will freak out that whole thing with Warren and sanders where she's like you called me a liar National Devi. who was that that that just at Gillette had? I didn't know about the debate. But it's like they're of course they're under so much pressure. I can't even imagine what that feels like. You have to be any any of them. I feel horrible for them. What a mess? It's a shit show perilous ridiculous career path. Don't WANNA do. That is just madness if you ask me but anyway yeah I love that I think think give yourself a break but earlier. You said you think there's a difference between success and fame. What success for you? What does that look like for you and your mind win? When do you get to sit down and say okay? Yeah I did it. Okay you know no I mean because you already have performed for sixty five thousand peach. Yeah but it wasn't my music like that was a job for me. That wasn't like a dream. Okay one right but ready for my own music. I think that'd be like the whole emotional like Holy Shit. You know my music brought me to that place. That's insane. Yeah but again like I have so much respect and reverence for my friend. Who did that with his music right? but a different feeling sure but I guess success test for me is you know definitely financial abundance Propagated from my work from my art in the all the different areas that I liked to to make art music and an acting. And you know I I've been developing a TV show. That's sort of like percolating and had some attention in. It's exciting cool. I want to be able to have a sustainable living as a musician on a much larger scale than I'm at right now Korea and I want to own a house and like you want to get a dog. You want to own a house. Do Kit though tells. Does these days you gotta be in the Aluminum Nanako House. You gotta find like a Berry Jest of Gold Stars. That she's shovel Italy's how's it. Might you know my wife and I are like moving him. been looking for a place and you really do start getting like a kind and if Vertigo it's sanity how much it caused a place out here much less to buy one to buy a house will the Margaret's about the crash. Is that a lot of people I I've heard that and then I've also heard that's not the case as the market isn't GonNa Crash it's just gonNa because it's foreign investors. It's all a shit buying out here in la no so it isn't gonNA crack in oligarchy. Oligarch be one. I want to be Russian Taller guards of success. Russian oligarch. Look Yeah Fuck yes talking to a friend of mine. We're discussing guessing like the We were discussing the the insanity that descends upon people when they get famous and I was telling him I wanna feel that crazy I wanna I wanNA do. I WANNA go like well. WHO's that guy? Neither Mogul who like hearst William Randolph. Hearst loses shit bought this massive mansion up top of the mansion he has daughter also got kidnapped. Kidnapped became like you know like a neo terrorist crazy ladies. That's isn't that Patty hersal Shit. I never made Oria. Oh my God thousand fall too far from the tree. Yeah because why wouldn't you go nuts. I mean you're like that we are just just my experience of being a living off of a podcast has been magical and weird and so different than when I I used to have a day job. It's surreal enough and you are your your experience performing evil regardless whose music it is performing in front of an ocean of people and then coming home to a notion of dirt dirt. That's real enough but imagine and getting caught in the updraft that some of these people get caught in where presidents are sending you just casual letters shit. And you're like aware of alien technology because you're kind of embezzling to get there. We're going to get there. You think so do I. Don't I don't know if I get trainings. You're my friend. That's how I see. Yeah Yeah Yeah well. That's yeah that's yeah that we all have to pull ourselves up Chalon illuminating so we can finally experience experience. What because to me? That's the funniest thing about it. Yellow Liam Randolph. Hearst awfully bored Johnny Cash. There was a happy guy and his success. Make him out or you know how many times again and again and again these people johnny cash crawling down into a coal mine to Die William Randolph hearst. Up in the in the attic of his massive mansion just eating his own turds was he really i. That's my version GONNA have to sit with that one in my thoughts. Thanks for that. That's fucking growth. Wow yeah well I think that. That's that's the thing it's your perspective changes obviously and then sort of the people around around you like if you don't have good friends. He got people that are trying to take advantage of you. Yeah that that would that would change everything. Yeah they have dating APPs for really rich people. Oh yeah like. They're actually know someone who designed an APP. I don't know what it's called called. But it's like twenty five thousand dollars to be on the APP so clearly you're already part of a depends. It could be like I think there's like different tiers years. I'm pulling this out of my pay. Them Twenty five thousand dollars. So is it on the apple store. Do they count. I might be exaggerating. I know there's one that's like five grand to be on and I feel like I heard somewhere. There was one that was twenty five grand but anyway of five twenty five whatever program where you have to kill someone and send them the video. I mean gene fastens. That's the assassin assassins heating APP. How many people you kill? Well the man meet me in the park so stupid but I think that people that have that much money like want to make sure that they're going to meet someone that like fulfils all of their needs in this way. It's really gross. I can't I no. That sounds judgmental. I think that what's the gross part about it. It's okay to think girls part of the girls part is it's like I'm so old fashioned in that like you see somebody and you meet them in that way where you you really connect in just a natural organic way like fucking looking into their eyes. Yes and saying. Oh you're cool. Yeah and I WANNA spend more time with you. I love that Shit. Yeah Yeah I don't know how to conduct a dating APP on And feel like there's anything remotely healthy about just for me. 'cause like my sister met her husband on match dot com and they're so great they're great couple. I'm really happy for them. But but but like and I have a lot of friends that have done the same thing but I just different. I just seen a different landscape. I just WANNA like. Here's somebody's voice. Sounds like you know not like their profile that they put together to like make themselves look fucking awesome. Oh Yeah I would probably date the person that made themselves look stupid because I would think that's funny right John. Ruth quarrel file sure. Yeah I I put my hand in your mouth and I'm drunk lead. Yeah John to me. It's like but but like you you you run into people who regardless of the dating profile. Yeah I'm went. That's dating itself is drying penetrate the mask at least least enough so you get some approximation. Sort of WHO. The person you're with is like you know what you usually aren't going to get until way deep. Yeah don't fucking know it. Yeah I know it because I see it in the other people's faces when they're like Holy Fuck and who is that shadow in you. Ah Yeah we all have it. You know that we do we got that. Ns but yeah. You're not we need. That's all we needed. Even seen the devil shadow where is it in me. Yeah Oh God. We're like a half a bottle of Tequila and some bad news away. Yeah that is great. Oh man now I know where the keys are that door therapy on bad shit. We're working on it. Yeah we're working. I you know one of my teachers. Rhonda's passed away recently and I was thinking like Holy Shit like of all the the only real advice he gave is that I need a therapist and I totally didn't listen to him and now I have a therapist. It's the best thing I ever did you did you. Do I love my therapist. Yeah I've had two therapists My whole life and both of them. I honestly don't know where the fuck I would be eh without all the work that we did and it's life changing. Yeah Shit does not go away without effort damage like it just doesn't know no it's it's in their it's in their splinter a winner after festering psychic splinter. And I I there's there's a part of me that like gets off on the progress of like it's like a video game to the next level of my trauma and and then you know it's like I can't imagine going back to the first level I can't. It's impossible lifetimes ago in this episode of the ages sponsored by blue to blue true. Brings you the first chewable with the same. FDA approved active ingredients agreements. As Viagra and Cialis blue shoe was prescribed online by licensed physician. So you don't have to go to the doctor's office or wait in line at the pharmacy and and it ships right to your door in a discreet package. I Have Tried Blue Shoe my love I would not pedal snake oil to you unless of course that snake oil had some effect upon your ability to enjoy a night of glorious love making blew it works. I tried it out. That's how dedicated I am to you. I tried this stuff out and you would not believe the effect it had on my beautiful futile. Incredibly well endowed friends penis. 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Exactly Bird Lover Bird Molester. I can't dating nice to meet you. Hawk Man Thirty two seventy six. Watch out Oh man no. I grew up with birds. My mom had she used to breed. COCKATIELS cockatiels as a hobby and like put an ad in the paper and find homes for them and sell them for like seventy five bucks a bird maybe more so like we would hand feed them and and she also had an African gray parrot and they're so smart but aren't they. They're like smarter than like the intelligence agents of a seven year old human holy. So there's this incredible She's a doctor. Scientist named Dr Irene. Pepper Berg and you can look up these videos on Youtube. And she had this famous bird named Alex who's an African Grey and she trained him and also exhibited the fact that it's not just repetition. They actually have conscious thoughts so she would say it's so fascinating like you have to watch us at some point she. She would present the bird with a tray of items like little blocks and triangles and she'd say find the Green Block and he'd pick it up and she'd say what matter sadder and he'd say would or wool or you know or paper and and it's the craziest thing and he would get tired and he'd say I'm tired. I want to go back doc. Id say treat please. I like peanut craziest thing to to witness that kind of communication communication. Yeah so so birds in apes dolphins obviously apes doing sign language and stuff like that like it's nuts it's nuts. Nobody Buddy wants to even think like it's hard for people to think about that. We weren't imagine that everything except us is kind of dumb really. Who wants that? You won't that will well. I think if you really have to no I don't want that but it's a kind of convenient if you're aren't of war and it certainly convenient even if you just want to focus on your own suffering if you imagine that every other living wants a fucking do that well it because now suddenly you're like God damn it so now now he's lonely African grazer pedaling around wherever basically imprison by like intelligent monkey descendants. Who are making the pick up blocks when they can fly agree not exactly the best life thing as much as I love them? There's that other element of like they shouldn't be cages. They outlive their owners. Most of the time they live it'd be like eighty to one hundred years old so if you get a bird when you're forty like somebody's going to have to take it. You know when you die I actually I was on road trip with my really good friend and we stopped in Santa Barbara and for lunch or something and there was a parrot rescue reserve there and it was so sad. Broken all in cages lined up like hundreds of them like cockatoos Macaws. Greys amazons beautiful beautiful birds and walk by and it's like they're all like hey can you your career like they're talking to you. They want attention buck. I know it's bad bad. It's a hallway of sorrow. But guess what. Here's the upside. I feel this is important to say if anyone did want to to get a bird you asshole just kidding you should rescue one because there are so many people they're allowed people get them and they get rid of them. Yeah they don't realize they need so much attention attention and healthy environments. There's so many sweet little buddies that need to be rescued. Oh guys yourself birds you know you just. Hopefully you get like a bird. That wasn't in the house of a lunatic is. Then it'll say weird shit you know. Oh my God was it oh we should look it up. He Kills Truman. There's somebody there like one of the president's had a parrot that recently died but it was like God like decades ago. Oh my God I i WanNa WanNa say it was Harry Truman Cheese Christ. What if the parents it's like knocked off? They come in and likely fake no inside information and I was like vulgar as fuck look like it was like a foul mouth period. That was one of the president of the United States worship reptiles. God will live for children's Leeann. We need it died but I was like. Let's go find that bird. Yeah that's that's such a weird get on the assassins dating APP because they have extra skill sets. WE'RE NOT GONNA kill it but they'll help us find that's for sure we become assassins Asan's and adopt a bunch of birds. That's my success success. I WANNA massive house filled with hyper intelligent heritz and the blood of thousands of people on my hand. I think we just wrote a movie idea that you know. I think the movie is definitely. Oh Oh my God it's so funny. It's the movie would be someone like adopts a parrot that used to belong to an assassin. Sure and then of course they put themselves thousand that John Wick. That's right the pair would have to keep giving some weird like string of numbers and then the nerd friend is like that's an Ip the address man. Put it in something like that. That's great. Oh my God I did it. Wow Wow shit if you guys make that fucking movie you send us some bitcoins bitcoin. I'm sorry can get on that. I need to buy a house. Yeah that will you know to me. This is like I've been just teared up a little bit. I'm sorry Oh it was great. The I've been realizing Cuza therapy that if I don't figure out a way to be relaxed right now I'm fucked 'cause it's like I've been realizing like Holy Shit like I. I have my condition. Yeah for being able to just really like chill Shell I need like it's so dumb. I need to empty calendar days. I want nothing to happen for like two days. Stray right nothing with that. That's great. That's I've got a toddler. Yeah it's not going to happen you know what a podcast and I warned. Do Comedy in the reality of it is. That's not really gonNA that's not coming down down the pipes that's not a real thing and also even if it were a thing right right you've still created a condition for happiness For for a sense of chilling out to happen. But don't you think that whenever we construct some place where this is where it's GonNa be good we essentially we produce instantaneous suffering because right now we can't do it well. I think there's first of all I think there's different formulas for everybody any so like what works for me might not work for you. You know like like we were talking about Rogan the other day and he's like superhuman like. I would imagine that I was saying. Don't ever compare the Rogan miserable. His fitness and his health is his. That's his medicine right probably weed but also like I told you about this thing I've been doing but I I don't know if I can like speak fully on this. This brainwave therapy. I've been experimenting with. It's called Sarah set and because my sleep spin on enough it's SUPPO- it's supposed to take four to six weeks and what it is is this you put on this like this headband. That attaches itself to your frontal and temporal lobes and it put headphones in your ears and it basically bounces sound offer of your skull and it's able to which is so crazy because if you've ever seen the like I'm sorry. Do you hear the sound like you're right. Brats a series of tones. It's like finger. It's super weird and you have to just relax and listen to it and I would imagine it's like have you ever seen somebody put sand on top of a speaker and the vibrates creates like an alien shape and you're like what is this fucking symbol another dimension and yes you know sound vibration so it vibrates off of your your skull and it's able to determine your stress level and where like if you're like too much on your right side of your brain as opposed you left side of your brain it starts to even out the frequencies so I will say I did have a couple of nights whereas when I saw you at the grocery store I slept for ten hours but it is definitely like calm me down like in a very like I'm like is this because you can't which is I'm sorry to say you can't have any booze or marijuana or CBD and those are like my favorite things. So I'm like this is how badly I want to learn how to sleep to cut that shit out of six weeks. I'm only on day six six but I feel really good. It's ally you know in a few weeks how I'm feeling but like I will say like instantly. I feel a different different. I just feel chilled out. I feel fine. You know in a way that like normally if you'd asked me how what's going on how are you and just be like ooh. I'm so busy running from that tiger that she's chasing me ten years you know the invisible away for ah every night. It wakes me up three in the morning. That's cool. Well yeah I mean Holy Shit. That's exciting to imagine yeah technologies. Oh Jeez are coming out. Sure if he can balance your brain. Sm Why that's well he asked in. I meditate I love Yoga. Do all that stuff but one of the things is a facility brought to my attention which is something that never thought of in terms because my insomnia fucking tenacious. Like I've tried everything. What do you got which kind of insomnia I've got the fall asleep right away and then wake up with just like I'm talking? I'm I've got ideas. My brain just is not shut off. What time do you wake up two or three? Yeah I got that one yeah. Am Wake Up. Yeah and you're just sort of like tossing and turning. I grind my teeth. So the my naked superintendents I just went to the dentist and I'm getting a night guard packed. Date me the break you having a nygaard is not keeping any guys from day sweep. Welcome on what kind of dude is like. Well you know the you know what I'd like to think that bitch takes care her teeth. I just thought she was incredible until I saw Nygaard in then I hit the road. We're Kinda Ernest. Psychopath is like that. The man for me now look man for a woman without a night yard for once. It's the night guard that's causing the problems. That's sweet yeah you three three. Am Wake outsourced. Oh my God I wake up what I what do you do. Yeah well now I do now what I do is I when I remember when it first started and I would have on my mind something uh-huh it would be something that was bothering me from the day before and usually be very paranoid. Whatever I was thinking it would be just like God? That person's out to get you they. Yeah Yeah Yeah and then I kind of believe in that would like be worse now when it happens I just aware of like Oh. You're not fooling me this time. Whatever whatever the bullshit is that you're regurgitating? Try to terrify me. And then I stay awake. Ya what I do is the greatest cure for insomnia that I've found and is a little something called Zanex now. I'm just kidding. Not The greatest cure I've found is waking up four. Am Yeah so what so just to get up. Yeah Oh my God set your alarm so you go to bed at ten you go to bed at midnight. Whatever you'RE GONNA wake up at four? It doesn't matter you're waking up at four you wake up at four that first day and you're gonNA feel crazy going to be exhausted. Usually you would only do that if you had a flight or something. Your Body's is ely women you sleep the night. Wait until nine o'clock rolls around around you're going to pass out that a one night stand. Yeah usually we after I like hookup for like a night or two the next night I am just out solution on my brain. That's it's not in the solution because the problem with those is like you know. Now you've added this entire complication to your whoever. It's so complicated. I really am not going to advocate that at all but what I was gonNA say earlier about the the Sarah set. What I learned was that they asked me so they really tailored to people with PTSD very high stress levels? And if you've ever had a head injury of SIG significant the head injury and I have. I had a really bad jet ski accident in my twenties when I was knocked out I was concussed lie. I had two points of impact on the front. I I mean I definitely definitely could died unlike very lucky that I didn't. How long were you unconscious? Not Long. But I came to in my life vest in the water and I saw my friend look at my look at me and go oh and I felt my head and I had a whole because I got hit right above my eyebrow so like like broke open like huge Gash is disgusting. You are gushing blood your Ah Yeah. They'd shave my eyebrows to sew me up slam into. I think the handlebars and then. I must've flipped mid air because I think the back of my head got hit hit on the jet ski as well but either way yes I've had a significant head injury and what the company was explaining to me. Was that when you've had that kind of head trauma. It really goes a long way and can just release your Adrenalin hormones all the time and especially Ashley when you're sleeping so what the Sarah set is evening out that activity but you know it's also like stresses is hormones. It's your cortisol levels. It's a a bunch of Shit and so it's Kinda cool to be sort of cleansing while I'm doing this. I'm cleansing my liver because I'm not drinking beer all that stuff it and it's so I feel so emotional. You're feeling yeah. I mean not that. I'm not like an alcoholic but a regular cocktail or love Martinis. Dark don't think I made Martinez at Your House. You guys yeah I know you mean that is a really fascinating I mean. I wonder what would happen. If you weren't using the device and just were out taking all out I wonder what would happen to your sleep. You know oh the concussion stuff. I've heard people who have gone to Iowa. Sham really want to do that. And you have like actually wanted Wanadoo said to them like I. I can tell from your energy form that you've had a concussion like they can see it in your like you know it's like when you drop a hard-drive just fucks it up. It's like he had a concussion. Yeah actually woke up in the hospital. Kid faulk faulk yeah. I could play piano after it was weird thing. Seven couldn't say which incredible before that I had a four forty IQ but it's like it's seven hundred or just like math skills out the ass. I love having shit to bland. I like having my concussion to blame. Stefan Yeah I like it but but but then ultimately though anxiety. I'm really interested in it as we sit here and gulp back coffee by the way. It's so good. Anxiety is a is like addictive stress as addictive the book. I'm reading which talks about how people are completely addicted to I. Guess Cortisol Yeah so worse. Worse snorting cortisol and really literally like. How's that possible have got some dried coffee cortisol stress stress hormone? And but it's like it's a pretty great fuel you know people who have. Add for example. Get they procrastinate because if if you procrastinate long enough it causes you to get so stressed out that it releases so much of whatever that shit is that it gets you high and in a high state you can focus and get stuff done. And then we're yeah. It's weird so a Lotta paramedics. A lot of COMEDIANS. A lot of people who do like fire and rescue and stuff like that a lot of musicians and people who like have relatively high stress stuff have or self medicating by producing stress for themselves. That's so fascinating some weird. Yeah I mean I got unpack that for a second because it makes a a lot of sense and also you know I told you one of the things I asked. The Sarah set company was like wait a second. I was like if I start sleeping. I become really chilling looking to be funny. Like what about my cat like reflexes like I always catch the glass before it falls off. The table is GonNa Change. Just GonNa let it Dr. No I don't know I don't know but I'll find out and also I would like to live a healthier life in sleep like like I. I don't WanNa say normal person because I don't know it's normal but the thought of like really sleeping regularly is mind blowing to me. Oh like a full night's sleep at night like every night people do it. I've heard of this same way. I've heard there's a big foot. There is a big any sleaze horrible sleeper. My God and now the years what I WANNA know is. Do you ever think that maybe that tat the tiger where all running from that. If like just sometimes I got this sounds dumb gray channel or on the podcast on a few times names Paul sell like he channels these they say the very intense listen being but one of the things the entities each channel said to me is you know fear is just one other ways you can learn here doesn't have to be that you learn right. You can actually learn from joy tranquility but people who have have head injuries maybe a little bit of PTSD or whatever out. Sometimes I wonder if we're like Essentially crackheads and the you know what we were basically junkies for a high anxiety stay a day-to-day sense of despondency zere. Well I mean I. Yeah because I guess if we're going to sort of sit with that for second there's a laziness attached to that because if your natural reaction you know for is for anxiety and to be like zero to sixty in terms of the way you assess a problem here it's like you have a problem with having a problem. There's there's little room for accountability and like work to be done to rectify. If that makes sense yeah it does so in that respect first of all if if you're in therapy you're clearly taking steps to not do that right because after a while I mean yeah you could live like that but one like you're probably GONNA lose a lot of friends I I. I don't know how to date that person and you're also GONNA be in a perpetual state of misery and I can't believe that people want to to be miserable. Yeah they are and but at the same time I I'd like to think I mean collectively like there's a it's weird. I feel like there is an awakening happening. But there's a lot of people just fallen off men a lot of people dying to like that just can't handle it like this was a weird Christmas. There's so many people not in my immediate circle but like like a a lot of people that just fucking drop dead like around Christmas time. Who are you thinking like appearance of friends and like okay that kind of thing? A little die-offs happy or social group. I think I really do feel this. I know it's a little Kooky but you know when trump was elected it was like this is big shock to our reality obviously which I'm not a trump supporter. But I think where you wearing a hat right. What with me okay? YOU'RE NOT A. I'm not a trump's supporter. I'm not I I. I think he's a very dangerous person. That is Churning a lot of confusion but at the same time I think think people have become activated in a way that like you can't sit by and let the illusion of the government airman like do its thing if you really WanNa make changes and you feel strongly about it you have to be involved in your community you have to be involved in your person and like fucking lift a finger you know. It's not like just. Oh Yeah. Here's this I'm going to check that box and vote like you have to make changes in your life and do so hopefully with the help of other people that subscribe to that same thought. Yeah so I think then I also like I have friends that like have thrown themselves into the washing machine of politics and it's like just like brick wall just keep running into it and anger and just the like going to every protest and like yes I believe in protesting but at this point there's so many protests that it's like I don't know how to to focus on the problem at a hand you know. I think that having a problem with having a problem sure and I think that that's sort of where I've seen people fall apart like when I said you know some people are just like falling off. Yeah because they're sort of drinking the KOOL aid of this destructive state rather than sort of taking a step back and getting in your information in a way. That doesn't make crazy right. You know what I'm saying. Yeah like if I watched the news I watch Fox News. If I watch any news I I will feel physically ill. It's fucking gross. Yeah and that's what it's supposed to do exactly it's supposed to because then you'll by the medications. They're advertising ising. Oh this exactly and I don't know I mean I'm not a scholar I am just a person and just as my own personal experience I I am meter the information I take in because I don't Wanna go crazy also like working on gathering as much as I can Dan to to know what's going on right and then figure out like what can I do to. Where's where's my role you know Honestly I think the best thing that like I can do. I'll speak for myself is like really being involved in my community. Does that looking for you know my neighbors right. No people at the local businesses right as a musician with a very small platform that I'd like to to be a large platform one day. Just be present in in an authentic way. That's not just me like a lot of times when something bad happens opens and everybody's like posting about it. Yeah you get that like. Oh I should say something but I don't want to say something unless I really want to say something or if it really means some right I to me. I think that's important too. There's a lot of just like Zeitgeist herd behavior. That doesn't really help anybody kind of circle jerk and it's annoying that is exactly right. It's your you see these little hurricanes of terror. Fear anxiety form online. They're like it's like watching a hurricane form and then you watch it gradually dissipate but you know Jesus. I decided this crazy conversation with my cousin. I haven't talked to him in probably eight years. We we had the polls conversation ever. I felt so good after we got off the phone or like when you like the person we rent our house from where we're friends with her. You know become come not like we're hanging out of the time but we like each other and like I don't know the new neighbors you just moved in but I remember our neighbors. We met and they gave us like food. which is really cool and just all this? Cf these are you know if you really want to be revolutionary. You know exactly what you're saying. I think the way to do it. Because if we're all huddled in our houses trembling in fear over the well it sounds like you're having meaningful experiences and that's like a saving grace you know like you're just talking about your landlord and your cousin like those things are so they fill you up. That's that's the joy thing that's the ramdas joy thing. Yeah I find that like if you're a bitter person or you're really really negative or cynical. Find the things that are meaningful and make you feel so happy even if it's just like a pet a dog today and it was so cute you know even if it's that simple. Yeah I think that we can definitely create our own prison and you know you. Can you know how to fucking get out of it. I really I think that I really do for sure I. It's we the thing I've been thinking. I have got a to reduce the number of pieces in my happiness puzzle. Why how so? Because it's it's good to have a Lotta pieces. No complex happiness puzzle that you're constantly trying to assemble. The never ending chaotic phenomena. The external world is a puzzle. That's always always changing takeoff the oligarch and the yacht get cured of the kids. Get rid of the Strip clubs. I never heard of the Strip club. I hear a strip club. The never could get into weird in there. Nobody you know 'cause I don't WanNa see my fucking dude. Friends getting torn gross. It's pretty good. I do not like the look on the face of men. Enjoying lap dances. Are they trying to funding active. You Weird look. They get that kind of like expressionless. It's gross gross. I like the at least the Catholic. You're enjoying it. Stop acting like you're watching golf or some shit you know they get this paralyzed. Look on their face anyway. That's another story altogether. I WANNA reduce my the stuff. I need for happiness to exactly what's around me at any given moment because then I'm going to be happy then I don't have to waiting. Example is important including anxiety. Here's a crazy like you know my friend was telling me. This thing was reminding me of one of Rhonda's sayings I guess you would call it. which is when you fall off the path? That's the path the Oh yeah. Right if Wa- way if anxiety insomnia omnia nervousness fear and all the generally unwanted wanted states of consciousness. What do I have control over their popping up on their own? The only thing I have control over is resisting them. What happens if when I go into an accepting them and then you're just like Oh fuck? Yeah anxious here we go. I May oh I'm not right now. I'm happy Oh fucking annoyed. Oh I'm scared about a show that's coming. Oh I'm worried about advertisers for my podcast or I hope my show that comes out as well received. What if all these things you just let it? Yeah enjoy them. Is it possible or is that a spiritual really fully possible. Oh my God yeah I mean I think you can enjoy anxiety. No I can't enjoy it but I can accept it. And usually the acceptance of it tends to dissipate it and then you have a different understanding of it and it kind of just like passes. You can't go through life without pain and suffering. You just can't can you have if you accept it. It doesn't have as much power as fighting it because fighting it means like it doesn't exist when it does do. Do you know what I didn't. I didn't say that properly but like you mean like yeah let me let me work on that second fighting hold hold on. Let me get one of my writers to come in. Yeah okay okay. Now we're GONNA pause and we're back. Thanks Ted so has a really long twenty minute conversation with Ted. He's a great writer though. Hell of a beard on that guy. I know raising yeah great awesome just got out of prison. Oh cool so. He knows a little boy frontier reason. God Damn it sorry. Did you hear that. My heart freaking so no okay. I'll speak for myself. He's an open relationship with his boyfriend. Imprisoned going look. I said I'll try anything once but I feel like that's one I just don't WanNa try not cool portend. That's that's a tango. I don't WanNa dance to now. So okay. I hate to be so personal and vulnerable. But I'm just I I am going through break-up and and it's so much better now than it was a couple months ago but the fact is like there's days when I'm just really really fucking sad and and I have gotten fight. Fighting it to me is calling a friend in putting it on them to make it better. Sometimes that's necessary in the beginning. I needed my friends. I needed my mom my dad so much and they were there but there. There's this threshold where you get to where you have to do it on your own. Healing healing is always like. Yeah you got your support groups like I think that if you have your therapist pissed your family your good friends and then your spirituality. Whatever that may be you? Don't put everything in one place but you have. It's spread out evenly. That's how you really. We have one different perspectives. So much love coming in because the people who care about you are going to be there for you but you can't fucking put it all on them right so in this the process of grieving. This person that I love very much I have learned to when I when I'm alone. Like really handle it and cry and then also thank God. I'm so lucky that I can fucking write a song about it you know. Because that's that's an outlet. Let that I I need desperately and you know if you don't have that for fuck sake find the thing that like can you can funnel it into other. It's jogging augie. Or I don't know like you're physically boxing. Or whatever or you're painting your building a chair. I don't know streaking streaky. What was the last time you went streaking? Last time I got dumped. No Shit that's how I deal with my breakup. Come on now I run naked through neighborhoods. I'll have later. Don't in trouble with the terrible. Oh man well now. Now I'm stuck on it. I feel like I should do it. Yeah I know what you mean though. It's like here. Is this like whenever you get your heart broken. It's your in an incredible incredible place in your. The only people who are brave enough to fall in love are given that heartbreak. So you're giving this like terrible gift from the universe the somewhere in there you realize that it's one of the more mystical if not yet. He mows mystical states of consciousness. Is that state of heartbreak. How often in your life do you really get to experience? Authentic life shattering catastrophic heartbreak. Not probably not that often often but when it comes was yeah very altering but I do appreciate like without sounding like. I'm not a masochist. A kiss but I I really like I am so proud of the way. I've grieved because I didn't go crazy. I didn't the the thing is I love this person but I didn't lose myself in him like I'm not empty but my heart hurts so badly. Okay like I actually like. My identity is like one hundred percent mine and I'm really proud of that like it was the first really healthy relationship I've ever had. That's a good nightside. Yeah for you feel great and sad sad but you know like I've had I've there in the past when when I was really codependent really I I can remember breakups where it's like. You're like now a refugee where your homeland has been incinerated Italy that was your whole kingdom now gone and who am I because your whole identity was based on their relationship. That's a great metaphor and that's a sad live sad place to be but it's still again like you. You know when you crawl out of that hole like you just have that perspective and suffering as an invitation for for wisdom it really is but you have to like fucking go to work right and which is the opposite of what you WanNa do when your heart broke. When you're heartbroken you want to curl up in bed and AH will you do that to do both back as actually some of the work isn't it? Yeah Oh yeah. That's the thing. Yeah let it be like you know today today. I am literally GonNa Watch Rick and Morty all day which actually heals all heartbreak if you WanNa know the truth. It's one of the secrets makes everything. Better Yeah Yeah actually yeah I just enrolling on the show I sure did. Yeah my God I'm such a Fan. He is brilliant person but what he told me off Mike which I probably shouldn't say now actually as a huge secret fuck it. He told me they put like subliminal like subsonic soothing sound tones and subliminal messages which is actually Sahel's psychic trauma. which is you know? Are you kidding right now. Do I sound like I'm kidding. Absolutely not they use like I'm. I'm kind of any way you could. I'm sure it will eventually come out and not sure if it's legal sorry Justin for snitching on. Yeah but they do have so my God. I some kind of thing that they put in in there. That's a heartbreak GAM Jones. I was really on now. I should have won so joking. So the bitch to actually yet. No that's listened. Some of my favorite times have been those moments of like. I'm alone catch. Can't get off. The couch really believed you so mad at you. I don't know I wouldn't be surprised. Royal into genius. I'm sure harmon dude puts weird like Fuzhou as you heartbreak healing raise their creation. Certainly just creating cool stuff is that in. Its own way actually and the you know the a God yeah. You're this is something they after. My mom died. Roshii Joan Halifax Zan Rowe. She said it's it's like a windows opened up for you right now and it won't stay open. It doesn't the window of heartbreak it eventually closes. But while it's open you you get to look out at this landscape of God truth in reality like this is reality. Reality of the of being alive is Eh. What's true than death to you know I got imprint? What's true or the permanence? And when you're in love it's like Holy Shit. There's a sense of like God you know that thing when you're like Oh my God I we're Gonna be together forever when a layer forever and I just want to. This is going to go on. It's no it isn't going to go on. It just isn't it is going to end for sure and when ends you get A. That's that's unconditional. Reality Yep yeah own. It's a death of sorts. Not It's a real death it is it is it. I think that's another thing I feel is a new part of my emotional lexicon is accepting it. I've definitely been the kid in the past. who was just like fighting it and like still calling and like trying to be like but we weet? You're crazy. 'cause I'm amazing you want. What are we working out? You know I I'll chase them but I'm not doing it this time and I'm so glad and one because I think for the first time I am in my life I really know my worth and I really like love myself and nobody is going to. There's no void to fill So it didn't work out. That's okay wow that is so incredibly adult view that is so sophisticated gated and amazing nominee. People can do that and like many. Many people are incapable of leading themselves to that degree. I'm just being bombed out when something doesn't work out. I mean people murder people people. That's crazy I was. I was listening to. I think he was Oprah's super soul Sunday podcast and she was. She had her interview with Jeffrey Dahmer. What that doesn't work? She had a a couple on and the the husband tried to murder the wife and like she she was interviewing couples. That might have been a doctor involved. They had these X.. Incredibly destructive relationships and her her you know mantra is when people show you who they are believed them. Yes and it's really powerful Shit Shit like cool like we could make fun of Oprah. Sometimes that's cool but like that's a pretty solid line of Advice Sean. And if you don't believe them it's your fault for not believing them when they clearly showed you who they are what they're capable of and that's not to say there isn't room for people to change but you know in reality if it's like something an intense like an abusive relationship like you know you kind of know. Sure a husband who tried to murder his wife. They were saved by their child. WHO's like eight? Oh my God and they still continued to be together which I thought thought was fucking fascinating and that's exactly what I say. They still together today. I don't know I mean the podcast. Let's do it in the summertime. I'm hopefully that she's still alive. But there is definitely like this. You know they changed the guys getting help or whatever but the point it is can you fuck. I don't know I can't say I'd do the same member when you tried to murder. Yes he tried to strangle me. uh-huh Whoa the thing just fell down behind you. I wonder if that was like a sign. Your curtain just fell down behind you. It only falls down when there's goes they leave seventy spear well. You know what I'm listening to the New Testament audiobook. What what? Yeah so. It's the Bible. It's seven thousand hours long if you want to cash in on audible. That's what you get you'll have to do it for the rest of your fucking life. It goes on and on and on and a lot of it is blitzer blather but some of it's really interesting. One of the things that it says in there which I do love in the Christian these days they give myself as a Buddhist but what the families are probably not a Buddhist. I think I'm one regardless. They'll let the the Christian theology. I like a lot because one of their ideas is Lee. Love other people because if God loved everyone so much that he would have his own son sacrificed sacrifice Shirley they're worthy of your love and then you hear things like that and then yeah but what about the mother fucker. Who tried to kill me that my son saved me from Tom? Do I love that person. And what does that look like anyway. But I think what you were saying Oprah was saying who I think is an alien when Oprah's saying in a good one good way oprah was saying is you know when people show you who they are That's who they are Right then right and if you try to reconstruct their identity in that moment by painting it with like like mask and it's not fair to fair game buddy. Let them have the consequence of who they are but let them have it not in your vengeance seeking. What if you figure out a way to love that being not in a way that makes you a rube or anything like that but is there a way to like at least be Yasmine? That's my little bubble waking. Is there a way to at least be on the ground floor of reality with. Here's where you're at right now. You're suffering here's where I'm at your suffering making me suffer and then in that place can you like love each other and what happens then that because usually when I'm around someone who's being an asshole I'm like I'm Outta here. You leave it at. That doesn't do anything. If everyone on the planet was like that with people well they found difficult and we'd all be constantly getting our cars driving away from each other be an absolute mess. Yep Yeah well I mean. It's a delicate balance. It meets very give and take a little bit but don't take too much or give too much because then it's the whole thing's a topple over but if you're talking talking about couples you know when you're cohabitating or yeah coalescing I think there. Yeah I mean. We live in a very extreme society you know and then you kinda factor in fucking movies that influence our romantic aspirations and none of that shit does us any favors the credits roll and like everything's fine. You'll I'll just just the story lines in general you know and I love Romance. I really am so romantic. And but at the same time it has to come from the relationship I have with the person in love with like we. You Find Your Own Romance. It's like Oh my God you knew I love cheese. It's just the little things that create eight your awareness of each other and being seen like when you're with someone you're in love with them you want them to see you and vice versa. So yeah and that's kind of like I think a great you know sort of foundation or bedrock for whatever you're going to build from is just knowing like really trying you know getting to know the person that you're fucking given it to one of the most human beings ever happened to me and my wife because she has had to deal deal with a forty five year old one testicle dead mom dead. Do you WanNa talk about fucking baggage. Man I'm like one of those things that airport everything baggage rolling cart filled with gunk and junket unresolved grief and anger issues. And just thank God. I met her because she has been able to like and not completely abandoned me or split. Also hold me accountable for and then just in in those moments like that. You know that thing. You're talking about like you know with therapy. Where you level up It's like you know a bag has gotten off the the cart so to speak the bag. That had the thing in it for thing. That's gone now so the cards a little bit lighter I think a good relationship you know. I think it involves a little bit of like you're helping each other of course get some of that baggage at the very least like getting the old musty close out of the bag. Yeah Washington that is a beautiful union like. That's that's the goal you know when you can share your pain with your partner but not not so much that you hurt them with it you know. That's the key. Yeah literally. That's it but you're gonNA hurt. It's like you know it's possible astle because it's real there. I mean again i. I don't know for sure about this. We have an incredible marriage therapist. Thank Christ who's like but you know like yeah the intention The intention is greater and greater levels rules of harmony greater and greater merging falling in love again and again and again. And you know that that's the intention MHM in the same way like the intention for me is to get abdominal muscles name. I don't know I think I think you could washboard the shit out of that stomach. Maybe maybe but I I think when those alleged painfully optimistic about most things you are. Oh yeah that's great sometimes and then it's just but then I fall really far down when I fall but at the same time. I'm also like such a believer in like in love in in harmony myself especially AIDS. You know it's possible. Yeah it's real. I mean that should in the movies is all wrong. Because it doesn't everything gets compressed into a two hour period where some issue gets resolved in a ridiculous way and suddenly. This couple is fine. Just isn't like that with anything. It's not like that whether oh you're in a relationship or not every single day you you know. You're is an whole new universe that you're navigating through but yeah I'm a romantic too and I'm an optimist and I do believe that like I know having a family now and a baby and the is possible supposed to have happiness enjoy. What is that? That's just that's my neighbor. He's that's my neighbor in the garage sitting in his car the he starts at the car. Starting that's a car starting yet. What happens is he's like unfortunately like struggling with a lot of stuff so he'll go in there and Sitton didn't until he falls asleep ambulance? I'm deborah happening. Were falling for this bullshit. I'm sorry even paid at all right. I'm leaving that. Just watch midsummer last night Gatsov. You know he's watching okay. I don't know if I want to what you were saying. Something before the suicide attempt to make. Why am I doing these guys? I just saw midsummer last night. What's midsummer incredible movie by Ari? Astor okay starts with a horrific suicide situation which is why it's imprinted on my. I'm not making fun of suicide. Jesus Christ Jesus Christ. I've lost more within one person to and it's awful so there's anyway what I was saying. Is God damnit. This is one of the things wrong. Says and I love it. I would rather be. I would rather be wrong and in love. That's the idea instead. I'm trying to be right and a lot of people are skeptical cynical whatever they wanna be right fuck that you know what. Let me be incorrect. When the final breath leaves my body and I you know I'm shown the Great Truth and things like actually love was not real again? It's like okay fuck it. I was wrong. Okay so you so you know I say your attitude about it exactly the right way and if it leads to heartbreak after heartbreak. I'll take that any day of the week over living some Save Dumb Boring. non-re- add bummed out. But I guess people do that. Hey they really like. Don't they're too scared to go there so they just I avoid it. Yeah I don't know how to do that either. I don't and I also don't know how to like casually date or sleep with people I I always like unless it's just like a one time thing you know like you like you care about that person you know like it's not just like some little. Oh I don't know I can't do that. I can't like not care. I never wake anytime those happen to me. It was always like unique like one night stands or whatever but he always had this feeling to it. That was like you know. Unless you're like with somebody who's like Super Kinky and just wants to be dehumanized the point of being being like nothingness thing and that's what they get off on. I don't think I've ever encountered anybody who haven't either. Oh wait yeah I did once really. Yeah it was really dark do or no no God I hope not. Oh man that's dark even then you're sort of Jesus you don't really want that this is your who are we to say the point is I know what you mean. It's like like generally if you want that sort of thing it'd probably be better like just pay for it wouldn't it. It's also interesting when that as like my friends. Lots of great friends and like people are into certain things. And it's amazing what people attract when it's in your it's in your fucking wheelhouse. Whatever weird thing and like I'm saying this without judgment I'm not like picking on my friends but like you you know I definitely have really like this? One girlfriend super promiscuous like anybody anytime anywhere and she just puts out a vibe and it's always married worried men and I am fascinated by. I'm saddened by a little bit but also there. She is constantly approached by married. I'm not I think she sleeps with them but she's always approached by them. What does he feel powerful by that or not? I don't think okay. Let me take a step back for a second she. She's she's empowered. I think sexually and she just puts out a vibe and almost like weekly if not nightly when she's he's out she'll have been propositioned by married man at some point. It's fucking crazy that's crazy just the same as you know like. Hey what's up. I'm Mary well like it's just the same as I have another friend who's been in like several abusive relationships and she doesn't consciously want to be in them but it's the an energy to energy that like fines. She always found it and until now just super great but it was uncanny. How many like like bad add like either physically or emotionally verbally? Abusive dudes just like unreal. I have a friend who this guy whenever we go on hikes like a gamp EMP will crawl out from under job. It's the weirdest thing is what I'm trying to do. Is Get in that state where I like worth or just comes out of the sky and picks me up you WANNA four. Yeah Yeah I don't know. I think dating be such a nightmare because he's full of himself. Yeah he's full of themselves and it's also very loving and flies around with the fuck and Hammer. You don't know where he's going we're like okay. First of all. He's big strong dude and but he he's emotional at the same immune passions. Listen I know what you mean I would love. I would be terrified of dating Thorpe. You you always see like this stuff that makes it into the theologies you don't. You're just going to be disappointed in him. I'll never know until he shows up. Oh my God ah you want to summon thorn to your life. You'd Better Watch out. It can happen. You know you can get some version of that some like what Viking. God you're looking for like so your guy. You're you're looking for is a super muscular mystical nordic. Well we let me it's more like the proverbial thought it'd be cool like a nice build but really the inner strength the the sort of King leanness Warrior okay also think. He's a bit of an artist and he's really funny okay. Package deals moving the great. I'm always being muscular. Aerienne Swedish doing watercolor. It's like when you guys got a pattern studio. Well you know. Watch out talking dirty now. Sending the friends biking friends out there a secret. Heroes who also are into like ceramics. Oh soon this is your soulmate here waiting for you. When I say Thor I really do mean like just oh man I just think there's there's a toughness but but not to say that like they they need to be tough all the time? It's just like people to handle your shit. Sure but in a way that like when you can't handle it together but like you're still putting in an effort. You're looking looking for something. That's like very specific apocalypse. Come I'm going to be standing by this man like both of us like you know. Machetes machetes in hand. Like back to back. That's what I'm talking about can't believe you just said that because my new Q.. Marriage therapy therapist just said to us. You know that's ideas you need ebby like dealing with the world standing back to back really use those exact words which is which is so mystical and cool. Isn't that weird that I'm also your marriage therapist. What is happening? Hey everybody guess what. It is like a tree over scheduling and February. I they say do or how about we. Don't fight the world either. It'd be nice like instead of being back to back fighting the world where like backed back on making out with the world or hugging. And they're now back to backing dinner. No with the war were. The United States has been at war for ninety three percent of its history so we're all like warlike the people now but I know what you mean just like you want to be with somebody who is an shrivel at the first sign of something coming your way. That's yeah yeah that's what I mean yes. I'm sorry if I said that's what you mean. No it is what I mean. No you didn't step on my toes but I I feel like I feel like that had lately about most friends in my life to like just making sure. I'm spending time with the right people. Yeah that aren't like draining and so important there's just no time special time. There's no time. And when we know my friend where the gaps out from under his rock and your friend. WHO's humping married eight people here you and your other friend who gets weird relationships and stuff? It's like you by the time you're my age. Uh you see these people go through these cycles over and over and over and over again and realize some of them they are wanting wanting you to be an extra in their movie pain and and it's like this is not the the way that anyone should have to spend their life now. Some of our friends they need help right and those are the people you help because they need it but some people you is like wait wait a minute. I'm going to have to help themselves. It's a balance of like I'm GONNA help you. You have to be helping you to and if you're not I can't be the only person helping and putting in an effort no and I find that that keeps finding me and I have to keep pushing it out. You'd like I'm not going to save you. I will be there for you but like I'm not GonNa fucking looking save you and it's hard. It's a hard line because you're again. You're you're doing someone a disservice if you're trying to take take care of their load no ship. It's here's the deal to me. It's like this is friendship. I'm not a lifeguard right. We're not at the beach in my job is into swim mountain to pull you back out after I if you're a lifeguard and someone keep swimming out to sea right and you keep going out there and almost drowning pulling them back then Dan at some point. Yeah you've got I. I'm not coming after you anymore. Yeah I can't this is you're you're wanting to be this way. What what can I do? It sounds harsh and you know some of my teachers. They say. Never give up on anyone but name Collie Baba Ramdas said you can kick somebody out of your house but never kick them out of your heart. Wow that's a pretty good thing that I like to think about. Which is I love people? But that doesn't mean that I have to conserve boundaries. Take Yeah Shirt foundries my God. I saw great t-shirt the other way I got to tell you about it I was at I was at a brunch. Hang in West Hollywood fans and there's this guy had a big belly bless him he was fucking great and he said his tee-shirt said it's a Carl thing you wouldn't understand so good and love that he had such an attitude. Just already without even saying anything Carl. You wouldn't understand that's why there is blood all over my hands. Yup Yup thank you so much for coming back on the show. Thank you for having me. How can people find you? Oh Oh Jeez. On the socials Suzanne Santo or handles at Suzanne to- OC A MTO on the INSTAGRAM's grams. I've got a record coming out this year. Not sure when but it's pretty good. I can't wait till I'll send it to you. Please send it to you now and yes yes you're about to get an avalanche at DM suggests Patty. Oh Yeah are you kidding. Oh my God you really opened up opened up the hallways of Hala Air. I I really appreciate your time thank you. It was really great chatting with you. That was Suzanne Santo. Everybody all the links you need to find her are going to be at Duncan Trussell DOT com. Thank you squarespace. Thank you blew chew for sponsoring this episode of the D. F. Engaged in. Thank y'all for listening. I hope I see out there in Denver Arlington or New York City. Until then may God's grace shine upon you and your family holiday Kushner.

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Amanda Seyfried

Sunday Sitdown with Willie Geist

46:55 min | 4 months ago

Amanda Seyfried

"Hey guys willie geist here with another episode of the sunday. Sit down podcast. My thanks as always for clicking and listening along. I've got another oscar nominee for this week. She is amanda ciphered nowhere. You love her from movies. Like mean girls to mama mia films where she played sophie. Those movies grow together more than a billion dollars at the box office. She was in les miserables. She was intended to depending on your taste in movies. She can do just about anything and now. She stars in manque the netflix movie. That has ten oscar. Nominations leading the pack including one four. Amanda for best supporting actress. She plays real life. Nineteen thirties film star marian davies who was in movies but also known as the mistress and longtime companion of magnate. William randolph hearst. So the movie manque is about the making of the film. The writing of the film citizen kane which was based on the life loosely. Perhaps or closely of william randolph hearst. So she'll explain the premise of the movie. How it all ties in how it works. She's amazing in it's black and white directed by david fincher. You'll hear a man to talk about. What an honor. It is just to be asked to a movie by david fincher. He's done seven fight club. Curious case of benjamin button. He did house of cards. The series on netflix really good work than and actors just wanna work with him so she was thrilled to be asked to be in it and now of course to be nominated for an oscar. A little bit of background for you here as you've come to know i am in a room above my garage. Amanda is home with her family on her farm in upstate. New york real farm horses donkeys pigs. Ducks chickens turtles all kinds of animals. She says she feeds him twice a day. Now she's also the mother of two very young children including a six month old boy so she's been a little bit busy with that but she's out in her barn doing the interview. I'm above my garage. You'll hear in the background. Some google gagging and that is from her six and a half month old son. Her mother is there helping. Look after the kids. Her husband also an actor is down in georgia. Shooting a movie so they're kind of juggling it all and at one point the little boy just comes and sits on mom's lap. It's amazing He's she's literally quite literally juggling motherhood with her career so i hope you enjoy man deciphered as much as i did talking to her. She so cool so smart really fun right now on the sunday. Sit down podcast. Oscar nominated actress. amanda ciphered. amanda. It's good to see you. Thanks for doing this. Thanks for having me I was telling you a moment ago that you've already whatever happens at the oscars received the award from our crew for most technically adept actress. And one of our interviews. You set up your cameras. You got the lights the audio it was an a man. Deciphered production thanks. I'm actually take a picture it is. It's pretty. I'm very impressed. Some directing this is. This is what happens when you're how much better adept. Are we at everything. Because we're doing it alone. Especially people who are in this business happening. We have all these people to do. Our technical the technical jobs on a on a junket and here we are. We have to do it ourselves and we are that much smarter. Are you enjoying the the reality of just kind of like being at home and doing press it. Homer is at a strange thing that you'd like to get back to real life or do you like doing business this way. Well it's benefits. And there's some serious drawbacks which i will name first. They squeeze in so much more work. Oh so in fifteen since you don't have to get in the car and drive to the next studio you have we'll set up another six interviews for you for the rest of the day and you definitely have to change your outfit after each one. Is that the worst in the world. Of course not be. The benefits outweigh everything. I've got my kids over in the house. It's so great that i don't again car and go goanywhere or get new plane that matter. I mean that's that was my life. I was always leaving. I've also found for our purposes. When i interview people i'd much rather be sitting down with you somewhere talking. Obviously but and you tell me. If i'm wrong about this guests can be more comfortable because you are at home. You just came from lunch with your kids or wherever you were doing. He just plopped down and kind of start talking. You don't have to go into this sort of artificial setting and talk to people. Yeah the temperature's just ride you've you've got your creature comforts and i mean no free food of course. Which is a bummer. But yeah i mean listen. I i do miss the cappuccinos on the our our but i am. I am also not taking beta blockers before interviews. Like because i'm comfortable i have stage fright and sometimes i like when i go on today. Show for instance. I have to take a bit of bright. I believe. I have to take a beta blocker. So i did and whatever it does whether it's placebo. Not my heart rate stays somewhat. I don't know how you do. I really don't i find that so interesting and i think people watching this will find it interesting because you've talked about struggling with anxiety. You seem so comfortable wherever you are doing what you do so easy and your own skin whether it's an a movie on an interview you're always funny and charming and all those things but you've had the serve long struggle with haven't you. It's it feels like life. I guess that's a panic attack is really you. Your body just goes in a fight or flight as much as you can understand that from an outside perspective when you're not struggling it it's real it the it becomes so credibly real when when it's happening to you and and the adrenaline rush the endorphin rush on the dump. That happens after you after. The panic attack is so extraordinary. It's like being high in some way you just feel so relieved in your body's just kind of recovered in a way so bizarre because it's all it is his physiological but it is starts in your head and you would think someone like you. Who's been doing this a while. Now this is the today show. I've done the today show. I know i can do the today. This is fallon. I've done fallon. I know i can do but really never goes away. Does it never goes away. And i've i've there are. I have found healthier ways to cope. I have whiskey at seven. Am yna worried. that's true. Just a little taste right about that. You're right. I should be less responsible. Less terrified is what it is really i. Yeah it's i keep doing it. I keep getting getting there. But i this pandemic has definitely made it much harder for me to envision myself going back into the studio. I love coming to the today. Show really exciting. Always great fans. And there's people milling around and it's just an exciting place to be rockefeller center. I as much as i. I liked those aspects. It's just sometimes not worth it. If i'm just not if i'm not feeling it from scared so you know it's live you know why we anything can happen. It's unpredictable and people love watching it but but my biggest fear is always something. That's never gonna happen like my biggest fear is that i'm gonna faint. Seems unlikely. Seemed totally unlikely. Did you know. I have learned unlikely i did. I did a play. It was my first playoff broadway. I met my husband there actually in which the two of us and it was one of the most exciting times of my life and the most terrifying. Because i i had to make that decision every night to just mind over matter just to to to power through and find the moments As actors do cedar is to really living something and come alive and portray these characters in front of live audience. Everything if you allow it to be positive. And i had to make a choice whether or not i was gonna sabotage my experience every night and i would have panic attacks. I had about seven and it was. It was the moment. Where am i going to flee. Am i going to have these. Two hundred fifty people just miss out on the show that they've paid to come see or am i gonna just get over myself and as hard as it is because you can't you're talking about any mental illness or panic disorder. Whatever it is. You can't just tell someone get over it be happy. That's not helpful. It's not possible but it is minor were matter and you have to just breathe through it and when you do you get to the side of it. In front of an audience full people it is so empowering and so you have to sometimes goes to those moments in order to get to that to that point and i wanna be empowered as hard as it is. I want to be in powdered powered. And i'm gonna go back on on fallon and kimmel. I'm gonna do it all in person pre thrill to be well. It does seem to me like the place where you're sitting right now. Is your happy place your comfort zone where you can be with your husband. He can be a theory. Young children can be with your animals and the fact that you live where you live so far removed from the business where you work was. That's something conscious for you just to remove step out of it when you're not in it yes i. It was very conscious. I always wanted to be in with a nature. I've always wanted to live on a farm when i was able to afford to move into my own house. Appear as tiny as it is. He just made me feel like i had some control at have. Some control issues definitely suffer from obsessive compulsive disorder and everything that comes along with. that is just. I just need to feel grounded. Somewhere that i can trust will always be there that is not contingent on somebody else and luckily for me. I married someone who really appreciates were. If where i've come to find myself and he's feels the say why about farm and that's key and so we can build a life together here and it's it it means the same to him as it does to me so that was really important and we just keep getting more animals as long as we have the space for them. We will continue to find ourselves with another coat or another doc which is fine because there are much easier to deal with. But it's a it's my sanctuaries always as what i wanted to when i could afford Are you actually amanda out there. Tending to the animals people wanna know with gusts donkey and with all the animals that are out there. Yep now that. I have my son before i was i gave birth. I was before. I got pregnant. I was doing one or two of the two feeds and sometimes i'll give my caretaker shannon. Who is really just makes me feel like i can serve because this is everything to me when i leave. I have to leave. I was in georgia for two months with my husband working. I do believe so she. I don't know if you can hear. The gator probably can't have this mike on but she's feeding both days but yeah i have to understand the flow if i've left for two months. There's always something that's changed. I have to know what everybody needs when they need it because otherwise it doesn't feel you'll feel safe. Something were to go wrong. There are a lot of calls that have to make and at least i know what they need when they need kind of medicine what to look for what kind of hay day like. What kind of. Hey they don't like where to get it. Just it's the only thing i haven't done is i have not picked up. The feed from the feet store ever was bags are heavy shannon. Seems to enjoy it. He's been here. She was at this farm long. Before i i can. So yeah. it's a it's a control thing but it's also this is you have these animals learn how to take care of them learning to be responsible for them as a big. It's a it's a privilege but it's also it's a good lesson it's also keeps you grounded. We're all this stuff was happening. Last year i still had to get up and be nothing changed for them. These guys didn't notice a virus coming in sweden us out Also teach my kids to feed so when they're old enough. I'm gonna have to get up. You go just to keep expanding family. I had them to staff up. Will you been incredibly busy. Obviously congratulations on the birth of your son. Seven months old. I think something like that now. Six and a half months old so not only of the animals. You've got your own little babies on the farm with you there. And you've been nominated for an oscar for manque congratulations incredible. You've you've done a lot in hollywood you've been in massive movies. That people love will remember forever. But this is something new for you. What does it feel like to be nominated for an academy award. It's it's funny. There's certain things. I work really hard for like getting certain roles and every great moment when i found out that i have gotten something worked really hard to get for. Instance mama me atlanta's new girls. I've had that that shock and awe an excitement and just pure adrenaline moments. That just they happen. And you'll never forget where you were thinking where you are what you were wearing what your temperature was. And and this is one of those moments. That i didn't i didn't do one thing and i didn't try to get it. It wasn't like i was. It's it's different. It's not a good job. It's it's a it's a recognition. It's an it's an achievement. That that i didn't set out to expect or even was never desperate for it. Because that can really alter how you how you behave and how you walk through life. I just wanted to work. I wanted to longevity. That's like that's the key. Just keep working livelihood as well live feed feed get new garage hopefully ours can go inside a building but yes it's so it's it's a long way to talk but why were here's a different. I know what you're going to cut the crap out of me i. it's a. It's the feeling of getting an achievement. That i i wasn't looking for that. I never dreamed of that. I am absolutely accepting of if it hadn't happened. That's okay prepared myself. But i'm really glad it happened because it does. It opens the door just opens the door wider in terms of opportunities. And that's what it's about. I came into this business looking for opportunities and continuing to to to want a need opportunities in order to do different things to be fulfilled and david fincher gave me the opportunity and put me in a place where people were going to pay attention in a way. They haven't because he's saving censure it just doesn't it. It hasn't really hit me yet. Hasn't really sunk in. I'm not sleeping. Watch these days that as i was sleeping when i when my mom came down and told my mom lives with her. She's our nanny and told me that. I gotten the nomination. Speech seven and eight thirty s my sleeping because my son feeds around seven. If i'm lucky and then you fall back asleep. So i'm gonna celebrate. I'm going to the oscars as a nominee. What a moment of your mom knock on the door to and that was delivered. I didn't i left my phone on silent. And i did not put on my arm because i need that sleep and if i didn't get the nomination than i have been able to. Maybe sleep till nine. I needed to know i was. I was taking care of either way and also to give my mom opportunity. Give you some news. She hasn't gotten to do that in a long time. The good news. I mean any news out. It's much sweet coming from my mother. Was it like a screaming. Mom oh my god. i'm agawam god was she poised. Or how did you handle the news yourself hurt. My publicist was as an agent. Were in her ear her on the phone because she was already awake and she came to. Actually i woke up. And i was like back down and had to take care of business. That's amazing that's incredible. We should explain to people why being asked by david. Fincher is such an amazing moment for an actor and why it's so special for people don't know he's got a very specific way of making films seven. He's done social network fight club. There's a long list of movies and shows that he's he's done but what is it about him that when he called you and said. I think i'd like you to be in my film that got you so excited. Why is that such a big deal. David fincher is a master. He is whether or not he trusts himself. I'll never know but it sure seems like he trusts himself and when you have a director who knows exactly what he wants and who really trusts in his or her instincts. You really can't go wrong. No matter what happens no matter what is made at the end of the day you can come away with knowing that you're helping creates helping story and tell the story in a very specific way and having that kind of solidity in who you are and what you're making is so beautiful. I just want to be around people like that. Also when david fincher talks creates people listen they wanna see what he's doing next because nothing he does is an accident and it's always beautiful and it's always it always has quite an impact for artists and for his The audience and so. When i when he asked me to be part of this movie i was shocked because my first thought was. I didn't know the david fincher knew who i was. Okay and if he's hiring me to play marion davies not a small thing. He must like my work and trust me so that was a huge turning point for me not that i need people not that i desperately need their approval but it really weighs heavy when you get it and so. His approval weighs very heavily on me. As terrified as i was to go on that and to portray her i i also i knew he knew that i could do it. And it really helped me. Feel like i could to plus gary oldman. He sure he sure knows how to buy. Very far. gary sets the bar very high end. You're able to yeah. I've heard you say a couple of times. Amanda that before david came to you and sort of blew your mind basking to be in this film. You'd gotten lazy in some way in terms of how you take roles and what roles you take. What did you mean by that. Do you mean you'd sort of settled into this is my career. These are the kind of parts. I play and not even considered the possibility of something like this. Or what do you mean when you say. That willing mean is i. It's comes down very. It's very simple really. And which is why. It feels even worse and friend in the room rand my mother. My husband's working georgia mother just went up to go pick up my daughter and genevieve incredible makeup artists. Who just hang my guy. He's okay yeah. I think i think leading to put it simply. I wasn't a mo- wasn't memorizing lines. The way i could. I didn't know them in my bones like the way i knew my lines when i was on stage. I didn't know them that. Why would learn them in the makeup trailer and a lot of people do that. There's nothing wrong with it. It's just getting acquainted with the story in a way that could definitely affect your performance. I rely too much on my instincts and my need to make things feel really real in the moment and sometimes that meant not knowing aligns perfectly so can feel like i'm searching for them and that's like a that's like an actor thing that i was using that excuse maybe to a point where it wasn't it wasn't being very helpful and i wasn't giving it my best tonight. I would just get used to playing myself in certain rules not everything. It's it's not been like that for every single project. But i did find myself doing that a lot. And sometimes even wanting to go home and that only started after i started having kids sure and so that's a sign of needing to be a little bit more specific about what i do a little bit more choosey because i i don't wanna be away from them and if i'm gonna be away from them because i want to work and i want to fuel i hope he i know okay. I knew this was going to happen. And i said to my mom. It's okay it's taped see. This is the call right. This is what draws you back home. This is exactly what you're talking about right now. He wanted to get home. I know that feeling. There's something happens. I have two kids too. I would say you get this homing beacon inside you. Were traveling doing something where you might stay an extra day or see a friend or you just go nope. When's the next flight and it just happens. It just had wesley. Yeah my my husband. Just surprised a my daughter for easter and georgia. It was two flights on south west last minute and tough just to make sure he makes his flights. Because we've got a lot of storms this time. We have storms all the time everywhere now actually by the way and and you know he would just make it happen. There's no point in being the just no you don't you don't end up partying with your co stars as much and and you miss it a little bit. But you just want to go home and so i don't want to. I would like to prevent myself from being on set and wanting to go home. I like to be able to compartmentalize a little bit. Enjoy where. I'm at with the people in with playing apart that love love and that i'm going to just get so much out of and then being able to go home and have a weekend and just do it like people do it and not feel like any regrets because i just don't wanna i don't wanna i don't wanna miss them to action but i also and i'm not going to be lazy. That's plus a promising to myself that some a lesson i needed to learn what's a cliche but you'll never regret a minute. You spend with your kids few race home. You miss something on the set. The cliche is true about that. One for sure so. The film is nominated for ten oscars leads the way of all movies this year including your nomination. It's such an interesting and rich and true story so you're probably better at explaining it. At this point that i would be so just the basically. What is the story of make in. How does marian fit into. It is the story of bank wits. Who was the the original the screenwriter for persistent game. And he wrote the first draft. Before orson welles. God took it and fiddled with that you will and we. We didn't really know much about him. We we we've some of us have heard the name mankiewicz of course and and it wasn't because of herman's so much is because of joe or herman's grandsons and and it's it's he just such an interesting man and he knew he was a critic and he and a writer and he knew all these incredible people in the golden age and he was friends with marion davies and and citizen kane is really inspired by the relationship that herman banquets had with william randolph. Hearst and his quote unquote mistress really his life partner. Only because he couldn't his wife her wife didn't want a divorce in officially marian was his partner and an. I got a chance with may. We'll i gary. Gary and david and david's father who wrote the script Jack venture wrote the script of bank just to show the story of how it came to be citizen. Kane is one of the best films ever made and it's really fascinating what it's about and why it exists and for me playing mary davies. I got an opportunity coffee machine. I got an opportunity to redesign the legacy of this incredible woman who who had many contributions to the arts to filmmaking to the golden age of hollywood she was a philanthropist she. She was very generous with her money. She never took from hearst's he would. She had proper she would give her properties but she build them out once she gave him a million million dollars and here she was just she was really this winsome effervescent character and the fact that i get to help reclaim that for her is. It's like we're walking together on this oscar campaign come getting this recognition that i've never had before it feels so good and i'm also getting it for role that changed my career. You know the kind of changed paved a new way for me. And i also got to bring marian where maybe she brought me in to this volatile little bit. I don't know. I don't know where to where you know. I don't know who's helping. Who but certainly had a nice time walking with mary davies on this journey. And and i never got to talk about andy character this life. You really are like buddies. That's gonna be something. Cool that playing someone who existed and serve carrying her along with you and thinking maybe about what she must be thinking as you get an oscar nomination playing her or maybe sort of tweaking you somewhere and saying no. I wouldn't say that way or do it that way but as you say there is this sort of feel through history or cartoon version of who she was mainly because of the character in citizen kane which doesn't quite line up as you on the movie with who she actually was. That's that's the thing that's clouded her legacy for so many years and it only gets worse. It's like playing telephone. You're just there's no sharp the image of her anymore and unless you really go looking and and luckily jackson did he he went looking. He did all his research on manque and marianne who who is a supporting piece of this story this beautiful story and and really in some ways kind of bring levity to to to manque i think and that's what i saw the script and i i wanted to do that justice but it's it's really incredible. How see people in our inner minds from what we've been told from memory and from movies. Hey guys thanks for listening to the sunday. Sit down podcast. Stick around to hear more from amanda cypher. Right after the break. Welcome back to the sunday. Sit down podcast now. More of my conversation with amanda ciphered. I do and ask you mentioned your mom. About growing up in allentown and how you get from allentown with i think no connection whatsoever to show business to becoming one of the biggest movie stars in the world few stops in between but i going to new york. What was the first draw. Away from allentown and those first steps into modeling and acting. I on what is it about modeling. That is so exciting. You see models on tv and you see these young actresses on full house and you're you you wanna know more. You wanna be a part of it. You feel left out. And i think i was so close to manhattan. It felt felt very far away from me. When i was now when i was little but i think just my cousin. A second cousin of mine was modeling. Locally and i saw how fun would that be if i could do that too. So i had a an agent z. That was local and then they sent me to new york at one point on go sees guest union modeling agency and i signed with low meena models in new york as a kid. I was doing folk. The nielsen vogue. The other italian kids vote because they had vogues for kids which is just evoke amini. And i was just doing little editorial shoots for god knows hundred bucks buying candy with end. And then we'll immune start sending me out on visions for for warner brothers pilots. That's it i. I was just every time they call. That would calm. I would leave school. Like twelve twelve thirty. One o'clock bus. We'd be rushing sometimes we. We'd stop at burger king or wendy's or mcdonalds or something to grab some food on my mama half day. She was an occupational therapist up until four years ago remarked daughter was born. She would take me. We go until. I was old enough to go by myself. I i think. I got my first apartment when i was sixteen seventeen and i graduated when i was seventeen and it just new york became this place where dreams were made and not all i. Don't yeah i. It carried me through. I mean i had my fair. Share of rejections and i was playing tennis all four years in high school. I was terrible. But i was passionate about it and i was passionate about my job as a waitress in a retirement home and i remember one time missing. The bus to come back home after an audition was a one o'clock bus comes in to forty five at three thirty or four call condition and get home on the four thirty five and i wanted to be home for work and i missed. The bus and i was devastated. Because i wasn't going to get to work on time. I had moments where. I just wanted to be a kid in high school and luckily about to do both. I didn't miss my childhood by modeling and acting on the weekends or a wednesday or a friday. When i'm in a science class or dansk it just was ideal. I'm so lucky that i didn't miss out. And i still got to explore the business in that way with my mother or my grandmother she could. She can go work so you find yourself. Find yourself in soap operas. And then you talk about this role in the david fincher film changing your life trajectory career. All of a sudden here comes mean girls which is probably the one that set the whole thing off. So i was. It was between that and going afford them. Union i mean at fordham at lincoln center communications part time i got fired from or let go. Whatever they say written off sorry. I've got written off from all my children after ten months of very solid various old contract role. I was living on sixty nine riverside and you can put his pacifier as long as you keep sucking. You won't know imminent. Yes i am. I was living when i was seventeen doing that. We'll time then. I got like oh and then what happens. Go back to school or hopefully. I got a good role and i got my first movie. And it just didn't expect it lived in the moments time of my life. And gary me on the next franck mars and big love to these two really great. Tv shows very different to those for a couple of years. A bunch of years carried me to something else Always working and there was always key. Continue to work. Hopefully it's really good work. I will know when i'm not happy. I will know when it's not good enough. I will know when. I'm not being challenged. So you say it was between mean girls and going to fordham. Is there a possibility that if you don't get mean girls you just go to college in your life goes a different direction or do you think you would have stayed with this. Acting thing that i would have continued acting. Yeah because it was only riders com one on one wherever that first class at everybody hates takes. Someone said get it over with. I was like okay. What three three three thousand dollars. Which is a lot of money. But at that point. I'd had it because if saving all my children and so i was like okay. I pay this. Whatever do english comp gonna get over with you. I'm going to do to audition and everything will be what it is. You know this heartbreak but it doesn't mean it's the end of it. It just means that. I have to make sure that i have a backup plan. And i'm so glad i didn't ever feel like i needed a backup plan after mean girls. That was that was the separation for me. My my passion and my confidence helped me for mingles on. Because i got work i worked hard and i got work drove all over los angeles when i moved there with a map looking an actual full out map which i still have. Because it's a nice souvenir from the old pre mapquest days and when we got a printer we would print out our map. Quest to like even mapquest sounds old at this point. I remember printing those at yeah. Good hope for it was the way to do it up. There was nothing you to print out the directions exactly. And if there's a flip phone. I remember so many times with my first boyfriend. Who had met on the soap opera on a throwing. My flipflop is throwing like flip phone across my childhood bedroom because we get in fights and they wouldn't break. I would never throw no too precious. No no no you can't you cannot funny. There's there's no kia we all yeah. The nokia brick so on that that escalator of your career. Obviously another massive step was mama mia which turned into this phenomenon. The two movies made a billion dollars between them and we saw you front and center is sophie singing and dancing and doing things that people hadn't seen you do before. What is that role and one of those movies mean to not just your career but to your life. That was the only time where i really knew when i was making that it was going to be a huge thing because it was mama mia that the the stage show was was a moment for broadway. It wasn't just a it stuck. It was so important to see. It was so exciting so fun for so many people that i knew it was gonna be a thing so when i got girls. It was very similar to getting yasser nomination. I was just like this is gonna change. So what truly who's jumping up and down and calling parents and it was just such a moment and and every single piece of that every single thing in my memory from those two movies. It's just coming back by the way ten years later with a kid all my old friends again but as an adult because i was twenty one the first movie. It was amazing. It shouldn't have that much when they're working and without mama mia. I don't know what i'd be doing. I don't know where of be. I'd be acting for sure but i don't know i just know you never know you're talking about driving around l. a. With that map is part of the reason you at least give off normalcy for a star as big as you are and that you live in the place to live because you've sort of taken yourself out of that universe in some ways not that you don't participate it and work hard and do all the things you have to do to be a working actor but that you're not at don't i. I don't see all over the place and walking around l. a. and would paparazzi shots. And the rest of it that you've sort of chosen to live the life that you wanna live. Yeah i there's a definite lifestyle that have come to get used to which is clean water brutal. How seriously actually no i. I get to renovate stuff. And i could drive a my ford expedition i. There's things that i there are creature comforts. That have never changed for me. That will always need i. I definitely can afford things that i could not afford growing up. I didn't really come into any kind of wealth until i was in my mid twenties. I feel really lucky. I'm the first person in my family. Made some some money. And i also have a lot of things like i don't. I don't have help when i work on movies sometimes. I haven't assistance. Because they don't have. My mom was with us. I don't i just don't have. I don't have a lot of people around. Because i don't. I don't want that. It's not necessary until it's necessary. I'm not gonna do it. And you know i like i a yes. I am not like normal life. I like some semblance of normalcy. This pandemic in some ways has been great. Because i get to wear a mask. Because i also just. I fought so hard to impress upon people. I am normal. That i am not just because i am movies or tv shows that i do not have someone waking me up with breakfast in bed and that i am not chauffeured around whatever that fairy tale movie star world is is not real for most people ninety nine percent of the people in this business don't have livestock and with upstate. I need somebody new. I'm just so desperate for them to understand that. I you can talk to me. I have feelings. i've struggled. I came from a normal upbringing. I'm still very normal waterways. My life is abnormal. In a lotta ways to but i i make the most of it and i want to connect like everybody else because i am like everybody else. But you've got that polish because of what you do and so with luckily of social media. I don't have to try so hard to be normal. But i'm also like not normal. I'm unique. We're all unique. So it's it's a weird battle so weird and coming. I mean i'm thirty five. I two kids. I don't have time to care so much about other people. Think thank god but but it's still thinking you know it's like marian you know i could i'd i'd give it all away i'd give it to everybody. You know that the people think they just because they see me on the cover of modern screen. They knew me but they they do. Because i'm knee. Who could make you can talk to me. And it's like so. I feel can talk to me and i'm sure you know exactly what i'm talking about your in the public eye. Your people see every day and they think they know you and so how do you let people have their thoughts. Freedom of their you know they think but also want to own your own image. Think there's you're right. There's an assumption by people that you want nothing to do with them when actually for people like you and me the exact opposite is true so then you find yourself overcompensating and be talking a little too long. This mayor grabbing their attention and they go. Wow that was a lot. We're like siege to us. Crazy can't win. It is yeah. It's listen. i'm this whole pandemics about finding the silver linings hoping that people you love. Don't die hoping that you can do your part in order to help prevent more cases and and the silver lining for me. There's so many but one of them is a mask. Katori mask and you know where you can really connect when you start going down to the feed store. Picking up those bags yourself. Amanda at your next move willie. I'm ready it's already. I've been carrying around my seventeen pound baby. I have got my muscles back to work. We're going to keep an eye out three down there. You've been so generous with your time and it's so fun to hear your little man in the background. Thank you so much for doing. Just got back. of course. He's like a mommy's congratulations on. It's it's so upsetting the movies. Great if people haven't seen it gotta go see it so good my big thanks again to amanda for a great conversation and to her little man for letting us steal some time for mom to talk about her part in mink and her career. You can catch amandas oscar-nominated performance inmates streaming now on netflix. Big thanks to all of you for tuning in this week. If you want to hear more of my conversations with our guest every week be sure to click subscribe so you never miss an episode. And of course. Don't forget to tune in to sunday today. Every weekend on nbc. I'm willie geist. We'll see you right back here next week. On the sunday sitdown podcast.

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Garlic, Mae West & Space

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Garlic, Mae West & Space

"It's national garlic day today. People in gilroy. California are definitely excited about this one. This is today. Welcome to this. Is today the podcast that features the stories that make this day unique. It's monday april nineteenth. Twenty twenty one. I'm russ and here's what you need to know about today. Well it's national garlic day today and you know i know that. There's a lot of health benefits to garlic. And actually you know. What the med school student that i had on last week. That has The anonymous podcast audrey. She's going to join me today. Hey hey audrey how are you. Hey i'm doing good how are you. I'm doing well. Well you know. What i. I was thinking about garlic and some of health benefits And you know. I've said this many times on the show i'm no doctor. I'm also not a doctor stood out here. You're working on that though. So you're you're closer to it than me. You know what. I figured out though a really good benefit especially right now during this pandemic time is if you just eat a lot of garlic. Nobody's gonna wanna come within six feet of you so that it works on that social distancing that works right now okay. So on your podcast. You talk about myths. And i'm not sure if this would be something that you would cover but what about like you know. The fact that garlic kind of pushed away like dracula things like that. Would you cover something like that on your podcast might get into current and we gotta go old. School knits. no that's actually. It's really interesting that you brought that up because when i was Brainstorming doing like by boards. And all of that. I was really i was looking at it. Like garlic is a is a thing right. Vampires are thinking still merge into that kind of like folklore creature. I was thinking about it and it's not completely off the table. action is. We'll tell us about some of the podcasts that you've done so far okay. So the first since we're talking about Creatures of folklore and folktales anyway The very first episode is actually It's about nightmare creatures. So i don't know if you're familiar with them but they're basically like when they talk about sleep paralysis and in folklore of this idea of this creature or like a woman or whatever go sits on your chest. And i kind of take that concept and i apply to Another condition of where. It's difficult to breathe when you're sleeping so you actually stopped breathing. And then you wake up. And you're gasping your choking so i took it at a slightly different direction. The symptoms don't match up as well. But i do like to emphasize that the podcast is the medicine research than the medicine so researched the connection is a little iffy. It's tough to come up with those exact connections Okay so i will link to your podcast in the description and you know i did mention gilroy. California early on in the podcasts nelson. May people don't know what this is. Well it's the garlic capital of the world. You can go there. They have a Garlic festival every year. It's been you know on hold because of covid last year this year But you get things garlic ice cream and all kinds of crazy garlic stuff You can actually go to just do a little. Google search gilroy garlic festival. And a believe you can order some of those things get him at home and i know help outta gilroy. Because of course you know everybody's having problems right now i. It's also national library week this week. So do head over to the library and check out some books We'll talk about librarians later in the week because they get their own day. So we'll talk more about that later in the week and also talk about our events right after this okay so we have moved over to a cast. What does that mean for you. Do you need to do anything. No not not really. I mean i need to learn cast and how to use it but you can just continue listening as you always have but you can also now get us on your alexa flash briefings and you can hear this today just like right to your smart device. You can also check us out on youtube. Every single episode going forward will also be on youtube so listen to us on every platform every day. I sorta like the wonder years with this music back here. All right so yeah. The wonder years i loved that show is set in the sixties i. We're we're gonna start instead we're going to be set in the twenties and nineteen twenty seven to be specific with our first event here mae. West was sentenced to ten days in jail for obscenity. Why well because she put on a play Now this wasn't the first night of the play it had been going on for almost a year. the play was called sex and she wrote the play and so you know she was. She had a lot of sexual innuendo in her jokes. And then you know that was seen as obscene Now the jokes are very tame if you listen to them but back then Well the police went in essentially rated the theater and arrested her She had wrote several. Plays actually including some broadway hits this one not so much. It did receive poor reviews and it did have commercial success probably because it starred mae west and it was called x. So i'm assuming people went to go see it. It actually Premiered as mentioned about a year before at sixty third street theater in new york at three hundred and seventy five performances before the police decided to a boston. They're actually busted in in february of nineteen twenty seven so it took some time for the trial of the sentencing and all of that fun stuff and did she spend all ten days in jail. Don't she actually got out for good behavior. And saying that and talking about mae west and in this story you gotta wonder what behavior was. No she would later go on to a movie career. And as i mentioned she wrote the broadway plays she also wrote nine of the thirteen films in which she starred and by one thousand nine hundred thirty five she was the highest paid actress in hollywood and actually the second highest paid person in the country. Second only to william randolph hearst. Yeah it's insane. How much money She made a. She started her career at a church. Social. and then you know Went to broadway had play called sex. She's though when she was just five years old and then at fourteen she was on the vaudeville. Stage and you know went on in went on on The one of the best lines from mae west release a a quote from mae west. Is you only live once but if you do it right once is enough in one thousand nine hundred fifty. Six another huge hollywood star. Grace kelly is our in our next story hair. On this day in nineteen fifty-six she married prince rainier of monaco becoming princess grace and yeah i mean you know it's in the billy joel song. The we didn't start the fire. Prince grace pig place trouble in the nine months and four days. After today they gave birth to princess caroline. They had two more children. They were married for twenty six years grace. Kelly died in nineteen eighty-two from injuries sustained in a car accident we've several other events today. I got to throw out a couple here that we'll just kind of do these quick style here. Baseball uniforms began displaying player names on their backs in nineteen sixty. I am so glad that they did that. Thank you baseball. 'cause i can't remember the numbers and in nineteen eighty-two. Here's the one that i wanted to get to. Sally ride announced. As the first woman astronaut she went to stanford she beat out about a thousand people to get this position see before they only put fighter pilots up there because they had a fly on whatnot but no they wanted some real scientists so they brought on sally ride for two shuttle missions and she was scheduled for a third but then there was the challenger disaster in nineteen eighty-six. She did however sit on the board of the commissions investigating both the challenger and columbia disasters. She was the only person to do so all right. Let's take look at our birthdays for day alley wall. She's she was born in his day in nineteen eighty two. Maria sharapova is thirty four. Shug night fifty. Six tim. Curry is seventy five. Hayden christensen is forty. James franco forty three and is your look at april nineteenth. Thanks for listening to this is today. We do our best to pull together all the correct information if we made a mistake and you heard it. 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'Mank' On Netflix; New York's Struggling MTA

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Thanks to you now. let's get to the needs a from. Npr and wb you r. m. Peter o'dowd i'm robin young. It's here and now and we have a deal today. The house and senate are expected to vote on a nearly nine hundred billion dollar relief package following months of partisan gridlock. Here's senate majority leader mitch. Mcconnell speaking on the senate floor last night we can report what our nation as needed to here. A very long time more help is on the way. And although this new relief package doesn't come close to the two trillion dollar cares act passed in march. It's still one of the biggest of its kind in. Us history. Let's bring an npr congressional reporter cloudy solace claudia before we get into the nuts and bolts of this bill. Let's acknowledge how anxious the country has been for it. What's the feeling in washington today. Perhaps a little more of that here. There's plenty of anticipation. Perhaps in part because we haven't seen the legislative texts for this massive effort and the later it gets to see that tax later we go into the day perhaps the night to see potentially both chambers vote on this issue but putting that aside there's also some relief that leaders were finally able to reach this deal this month after months of partisan bickering that stretch out especially over recent days to finally announce this breakthrough. And that all said the clock is ticking. This plan has to be approved by midnight or lawmakers will need another temporary funding measure to avoid a government shutdown. that's because he's economic stimulus. Efforts will be attached to an annual government spending deal. So there's a lot riding on the line right now to beat that midnight deadline tonight to make sure they can get this passed. That's read. The drama is not over yet but top of mind for many is direct. Relief checks from the us government for people who've been struggling through this pandemic. How much can people expect to receive. And how soon could they get it. They are looking at up to six hundred dollars for americans as adults and children in the timing could be quick. once the legislation is approved. Checks were being mailed out within weeks of the legislation gaining approval. We saw direct payments earlier this year. So it's possible. We could see a repeat of that again. This time around how much will go toward unemployment benefits and also the paycheck protection program. That was the loan program for small businesses which was created in the cares act but it ran dry over the summer. Yes we'll see enough to fund three hundred dollars extra in weekly unemployment benefits and we'll see that for about ten weeks so this would run from about the end of december to about mid march. Right now is what they're estimating we should also see about three hundred billion dollars. Small business loans that paycheck protection program. Now there's a lot of different subcategories here because we see there's money for rental assistance and also money for vaccine distribution. What about details there. Yes we do see funding their billions. That will be appropriated for the vaccine distribution and rental assistance. We're looking at twenty five billion there. There's also money for hospitals and food security programs as well as help for schools colleges and grade level Schools all told this nine hundred billion dollar plan could arrive as a number of provisions. Were set to expire at the end of this month. Tied to that package passed earlier this year. That you mentioned called the cares act so claudia. In the closing hours of this debate in the last few days he was almost up ended. A by republican senator pat toomey effort to put some restrictions on the federal reserve. Whatever became of that yes so to me of pennsylvania. He wanted to limit lending programs for the federal reserve. This was triggered by the earlier cares. Act that was passed. In march democrats citizens language was overly broad and they wanted to make sure president elect joe. Biden's team could launch similar lending programs with the feds so they're able to reach agreement to narrow the impact of that new language in the deal and both sides were pleased with the outcome democrat. Said it doesn't hurt the future ability to restart lending facilities to respond to a crisis while tumi told reporters on a call. Sunday on sunday that his initial language he agreed was too broad. Well a little bit of compromise. All right just quickly heard from mitch. Mcconnell there at the top now. let's hear from house speaker. Nancy pelosi who this to say on the house floor this morning. We'll do some good with this legislation but we must recognize that war needs to be done. Okay so we're two weeks away from the convenience of a new congress. Claudia will this be the end of congressional really now that we finally got this one over. The finish line almost won't democrats as you heard. Pelosi saying they're really hope. This is just the beginning especially for the biden administration. He has said repeatedly that he considers this to be a down payment. Assuming all goes well in this becomes law this week that it would be a down payment for future assistance so the hope is that this will just be the beginning. Republicans however it remains to be seen what they'll agree to in the future for now a sigh of relief for many americans. Npr congressional reporter. Claudia agree solace thank you so much. Thanks so much. Well in europe several countries of now restricted travel from the uk after a variant of the coronavirus named be one one seven was reported in the south east of england. A new strain. That seems much more contagious. But not more deadly than the first. they're also reports of a new strain in south africa. So what's going on angela. Rasmussen is overall gist with georgetown center for global health signs and security. Hello dr asmussen. Hi thanks for having me here while thanks for being here and we caution there are a lot of unknowns here viruses always mutate another variant in spain was once thought to be far more infectious but when researchers looked closer it was just a lot of people traveling with it and spreading it. So what does the research you've seen say about the contagion of be one seven. So this is what's very very about trying to understand how individual variants or mutations are contributing to the effects that we're seeing at the population scale This new variant be one one seven seems to be associated with a very rapid increase in prevalence in southeastern england and parts of london. So that suggests that perhaps it may be spreading more quickly because of the virus itself but we can't exclude the possibility that also could be because people were relaxing precautions that they were taking to reduce transmission in their communities. We just need to do more research to figure that out. But it is very alarming. How quickly this variant has become very prevalent so that does suggest that there may be something to this beyond People are just behaving differently. Yeah well how alarming is it and how what should people do. We're going to hear later in the program from a trucker who stuck on the border of the uk because he can't cross into france and we're hearing that new york's governor cuomo here in the us asked british airways airways to only fly people who tested negative for the coronavirus to jfk in new york and today british airways agreed to that. So your thoughts. I mean. How much is stopping travel going to help. So i don't think actually that's stopping travel is going to help very much for a couple of different reasons. I think it's important for people to not travel in general right now because transmission of this variant as well as the other variants that have been circulating is really out of control in many parts of the world and throughout the united states so It is good in general to not travel but in terms of this particular variants. We just don't have very much information on whether or not that might already be here. So the uk has some of the best genomics surveillance in the world. Meaning that it's very likely that they would detect such variant before anybody else would It's entirely possible that this variant is already circulating in the us. There's some evidence that it's circulating elsewhere in europe potentially around the world that that just hasn't been detected yet. The important thing for people to remember is that this virus of this new variant is transmitted in the same way as all the other variants so if we are taking precautions to reduce transmission overall that should address this new variant as well as all the other viruses that we've been dealing with for the past year where mass no matter. What but how might these news strains interact with the vaccine campaigns. I mean are the vaccines covering new strains of the coronavirus. No but that we urgently need to find out so this new variant has multiple mutations in the spike protein which is what the vaccines used to develop immunity against sars coronavirus to anytime you have a mutation in that protein. There's the possibility that protein may be different enough to not be recognized by your immune system so those studies are ramping up right now. Obviously the entire scientific community understands that this is a very high priority question to answer and with the same be true of treatments that have shown to reduce the amount of illness for instance from the coronavirus. So that would only be likely for the monoclonal. Antibody therapies those monoclonal. Antibodies work by targeting specific parts of the spike protein. If those mutations are occurring in part of the spike protein that's important for those antibodies to bind it. It could make those therapies less useful or effective at treating corona virus. That not is not necessarily true for other antiviral therapies such as remdesivir which is more broad spectrum and not specific for the spike protein. But what people should also keep in mind. Is that those monoclonal. Antibody therapies are not widely available. The vaccine is going to be really. I think what people should be paying attention to and vaccines induce multiple types of antibodies. So even if there are some mutations that that prohibit binding based on the vaccines that are currently designed. There's always the possibility that those vaccines are inducing. Other antibodies that will still be effective so people should not be overly concerned. They should be cautious. Yes but remained cautious. We've just got ten seconds angelo rest in the garage. Georgetown center for global health science insecurity. Christmas is common people. Just have to keep hunkering down until we get past new strains and the wreckage of the coronavirus. Dr rasmussen thank you so much. Thank you so much. Take care support for this. Podcast comes from the boston foundation. A resilient city and region relies on the boston foundation to bring people together to solve greater boston's most serious problems from the hardships of covid to the fight for racial equity and other important issues that affect the lives of everyone in our community. Learn how you can help build a greater boston. That works for everyone by partnering with the boston foundation. At t be f dot org slash partner. I say citizen kane you might say. Greatest film ever made. Orson welles. The twenty five year old who in nineteen forty produced directed and starred as kane a thinly veiled version. Real life media titan william randolph hearst. Well now you might also say herman. Mankiewicz the writer commissioned by orson welles to write citizen kane in the new netflix film. Manque in this scene manque played by gary. Oldman shows his wrangler. John houseman played by sam trautman. His script houseman will go on to be an oscar. Winning actor who supported manx widow after monk dies way too young from alcoholism but these are happier times as houseman sees manx script moving picture. It's more than good out of austin even express how wealth and influence can crush man. It's lear the dark night of the soul but he said it's too long to which manque replies i built him. More watertight narrowly suggested destination where he takes his job. Wells and herman mankiewicz would battle over the writing credit for the film eventually sharing it an oscar a great food but also a reminder of a great family herman's brother joseph wrote and directed the academy award-winning all about eve. A son. the late journalist. Frank mankiewicz was the president of npr. Who greatly expanded the network and the networks debt years ago. He was also robert. Kennedy's press secretary. We'll today we want to hear from the next generation. Frank's son ben. A host on turner classic movies and une josh and nbc reporter. Josh and banquets welcome. And let's just get this out of the way who wrote citizen kane. This film of by the late. Jack fincher and directed by his son. David comes down firmly on the side of your grandfather manque but so did critic. Pauline kale in an infamous nineteen hundred two essay. After which peter bogdanovich came to orson welles defense and ben. We know you spoke with doug. Donna vich years later. Want to hear about that. But josh what did you guys hear growing up well. I mean there wasn't really debate in our house as to who wrote the movie. It was just talked about as this great achievement of our grandfather. Who neither of us met But you sort of heard about mythili your entire life. if you're mak- what's you know. I was prepared for citizen kane long before i'd seen it sort of felt like i had seen it by the time i watched it the first time. And then you have a way of framing this. My framing is that. I think that a lot of the bogdonovich supporters peter who i adore they see what pauline kale rope that piece as diminishing wells' contribution and so i i always say hey look man herman wrote most of the screenplay but it is awesome wells movie produced it in the face of these enormous headwinds directed it. In a way that change the way movies are directed and delivered this dazzling performance thorson wells' movie with a screenplay moseley written and conceived by her banquets arguably entirely written and then condensed by wells. Yeah okay so put that aside. How about the man we meet. Manque died in his fifties from the raging alcoholism. That was his calling card but he was also the berlin correspondent for the chicago tribune the drama critic for the new york times and then the first regular drama critic at the new yorker script fixer on so many films the wizard of oz man of the world dinner at eight price of saint louis. He made a pretty prashant film. Against hitler that no one would produce. He got jews out of germany. When people in hollywood we see in the film seemed oblivious in the film we see a nod to some of this but you know he kinda was depicted as what some of the studio heads called him a court jester. josh. I'm trying to imagine people who love family members who alcoholics to them. That is not funny right. What was that like to watch for you. The guy in the movie is the. I heard about brilliant funny literate kind a match full of self hate. I mean the only person that didn't believe he was a great wonderful talented guy and he sort of took that out on himself and in the end he paid for it and we did too. And i'm imagining. You both heard about this your whole life the grandfather who was brilliant but also squandered things she just then how do you think you're dead. Frank mankiewicz was affected by this well. First of all my dad didn't drink and he didn't really gamble. The two primary sends that destroyed. Herman but mostly of course what destroyed. Herman was that sort of self loathing that he didn't think anything he'd contributed mattered. He didn't think these movies mattered. So you know. I want to go back and i think my father did too especially as i've spent the last two decades in my life talking about classic movies. You wanna go back in time and shake him and go. Hey no this. Art form mattered. This was not A popcorn escapism. And nothing else. But this is a valuable signature american art form and he ought have been enormously proud of it clearly. One reason for fighting for the credit on citizen kane was. He thought he had finally written something worthwhile. Something that mattered. I have to say for some of us the name manque that resonates most is your dad. Herman mankiewicz his son. Frank at npr at the start of morning edition but also for people of a certain age. He was as robert. Kennedy's press secretary. The man who told america that kennedy had been assassinated. We have this salad system. Robert francis kennedy died at one forty four. Am today june. Six nineteen sixty eight. It's still gives me chills. You was the father that herman i think was not. He was always there. He went to benz high school basketball games. He took me out of school to go to campaign events in nineteen sixty nine two which was a tremendous education. He he made sure that the child he didn't have his kids did have. And then your grandfather. Herman mankiewicz made not only an enemy of of orson welles but made an enemy of william randolph. Hearst the inspiration for charles foster kane and citizen kane not a not a pretty picture but it is small fender bender and he was driving drunk hearst using his papers. He was like the murdoch. Rupert murdoch fox news of his day. That's kind of erie. He kind of used his empire to take your grandfather down in your father can. Do you mind telling that story about what your father did. Sure well first of all people understand william randolph hearst. He was much more than than rupert murdoch. He was but he was like murdoch. And cbs and nbc abc. All in new york and mark spread. I mean he was by far the most powerful media figure of the twentieth century so when my grandfather had this Fender bender the people at the beverly hills police department alerted the hearst paper. The examiner put it on the front front page like it was the biggest story in the world listens the forties and the trial was on the front page again. Like it was you know was the oj simpson trial. And my father was a camp roberts getting ready to go overseas and fight in the second world war my dad would he said sprint to the px where they sold papers and examiner was the afternoon paper and he would buy all of the afternoon papers that covered the story about his father at drinking and having this accident and he would throw them away either heard or always believed that my dad buying the newspapers and throwing them away so that others could read them. It was the inspiration for the scene and absence of mouse which melinda dylan's character picks up the morning paper offer neighbor's lawns and throws them away so that her story of out she was involved with the paul newman. Character won't get out. I was just going to say that. It's the paul newman trial film. And that's how it struck me. It's the little kid in your dad trying to clean things up for his dad. Just that story just breaks my heart. But i know there's there's a misperception for both of you know. Orson welles came to your father's house. When he was a kid. I think was it the marx brothers. And you also senators would come by to dinner so people think you're part of some sort of royalty saw a lot of people at the dinner table later on the evening news. Yes i mean. I remember going when i was seventeen. I went to i wanna trip to england and i went to pinewood studios were jewish shooting sleuth and when now whenever i see sleuth i remember that i was on that set and i sat in that chair but i mean otherwise. Life was pretty much normal in my dad. Never put an ounce of pressure on us to do big things. Smart things really was all he was concerned with. But you know there was a way of expectation that just comes with the name. We think the smartest person in the family was our father. One of the smartest people of his generation. And you know all those people all those great people worked at npr. When he was there from the late seventies into the early eighties. I mean almost uniformly. They say whenever frank was in the room you knew that was the smartest guy in the room so we had this. This dad who i sort of just decided at age twelve or thirteen i could be maybe successful life but i'm never gonna do what my i'm never going to be like my father. You just can't put the weight of expectation. Never goes away. It's still exists now. Yeah well and more. So i'm guessing because of this film that's come out and now i hope people really understand a little more about what's behind it We've been talking to ben. Josh mankiewicz grandsons late screenwriter. Herman mankiewicz the subject of the new film. Bank available on net flicks Just josh watching it stomach-turning because oh my gosh what how this is. My grandfather thrilling proud watching. It would say all of that. I mean you know look it was surreal to see. The guy never met always heard about suddenly in my living room. I thought the movie was great. You do kinda wanna if you're a with reach through the screen and slap him but it was great to be able to finally meet him in a fashion. It was it was an incredibly emotional experience and fincher told me he didn't see it about the credit for citizen. Kane is a tremendous amount of focus on that. And i certainly understand. He wanted tell the story of screenwriter. And how important screenwriting is in hollywood. And this guy's personal struggle to achieve despite this instinct that he didn't deserve to achieve. I don't know man. He seemed fun and loved by his peers. And the people who he alienated william randolph hearst and studio executives. Well that's not so bad then josh. Thank you so much like you rav in washington. The government is transitioning to the new biden administration. There are preparations underway outside washington as well. Some states are getting ready for policies. The administration might hand down such as biden's campaign promise of a ban on new oil and gas drilling on public lands and waters. Wyoming has become increasingly. Reliant on the resource with more than half of its production on federal land cooper mckim of wyoming public media reports. Some in the state are preparing. A legislative committee is discussing the last stages of approval for a major oil and gas project committee members like wyoming state. Senator bryan boehner are anxious to finish up special everything that we're faced with the potential administration slowing down permitting for oil and gas at. It's good to have the opportunity or the potential of having an expedited process. The project would allow five thousand new oil and natural gas wells to be drilled wyoming but the interior department still has to sign a record of decision before inauguration day on january twenty. And if it doesn't some new drilling could be delayed for years for now. The ban on federal oil and gas drilling is a biden campaign. Promise but a new report commissioned by the state calculates the possible economic impacts for wyoming along with seven other western states of either releasing moratorium or drilling ban study author and university of wyoming economist. Timothy considine told a legislative committee it. Ball's a big hole in the wyoming budget. You know it's gonna make bad situation even worse within the first five years considine calculated those states could collectively lose eight to ten billion dollars in tax revenue. Wyoming governor mark. Gordon said wyoming relies on a cooperative relationship with the federal government. Our based on some of the comments we heard from the biden energy team. That relationship could be headed in a very different direction. Gordon did not rule out litigation as a possibility otherwise no concrete actions are certain in response to possible restrictions for those oiling gas advocacy. Legal action is absolutely on the table. Pete over mueller is president of the petroleum association of wyoming will make sure that we're fully up to speed on what our options are on all these things. In order to protect wireless industry wailing gas companies that produce on federal land appear mixed in their response to a potential ban. Some simply can't imagine it given the impact on wyoming occidental. Petroleum isn't too concerned. Ceo vicky hala spoke to that on a quarterly earnings call. I believe that is going to be other things. That are much more urgency for President soon to be president biden to take on. Meanwhile environmentalists active in wyoming are going on the offensive. Kate hudson with the waterkeeper alliance. This coalition of organizations see finally a light at the end of the tunnel an opportunity for the new administration to stop the bleeding to stop the leasing of anymore public lands with the new administration. Hudson says her coalition is preparing to push for big changes on day one including an executive order ending new lease sales and oil and gas drilling on public land. More than five hundred groups have now called for similar action so in and around wyoming interested parties are honing in on their wishlist and their dread list ahead of inauguration day while they wait to see what action. If any the biden administration will take for here. And now i'm cooper mcken as we monitor covid nineteen across the country. Let's take a closer look at the outbreak in tennessee which now tops the us. In per-capita cases of the coronavirus joining us is blake farmer. Healthcare reporter for national public radio. Blake the tennessee health. Commissioner said yesterday that another holiday surge would break the state's hospitals. What is the situation like there now. Well when you look at hospitals you can talk about capacity in terms of percentages. But they just don't tell the whole story. Hospitals are expanding their covert. Icu's they're turning waiting rooms into patient areas at least. Two hospitals in tennessee had a call on a government stockpile for ventilators. They've been making it work and they're doing more than they ever could have imagined earlier this year but they are really worried about. What's next for the next few weeks. We see that thirty percent of covid tests are coming back positive in tennessee and yet the governor bill lee a republican continues to refuse a statewide mask mandate would what steps is he taking if any. He's really been adamant about not mandating masks. He notes that about seventy percent of the state is under mask mandates. Right now local ones. He argues a statewide. Mandate could actually backfire. Not sure how it would really make things worse. But he's certainly encouraging local. Mayors to to make that mask mandate at this point. Well governor lead. Did last night was banned public gatherings of more than ten people now. There are lots of exceptions weddings. Funerals religious services. It also doesn't actually restrict private gatherings even though the governor has said people really need to stay with just their household for the next month even during the holidays so these may not sound super strict but they are some of the first statewide restrictions tennessee heads since the summer. Yeah speaking of the holidays. Christmas of course is on friday and the new year so of hospitals are struggling right now. Are they prepared for what could come. Oh man i mean. The big issue is staffing not space it. The states even started to run out of options there though. They thought they'd be able to just fly in traveling nurses and doctors but they're not available. Now they're working all over the country so they've called on the medical reserve corps in the state which i'm not sure i even knew existed before this. They've even talked to students like maybe registered nurse. Who went back to be a nurse practitioner to ask them to spend their christmas break. Picking up shifts and state health officials. Say they're just looking under every rock to find help until vaccines kickin. Blake farmer from nashville public radio. Thank you so much. You're welcome well later today. Congress is expected to pass a nine hundred billion dollar corona virus relief package sending billions of dollars to struggling train and bus systems around the country. Patrick foye is. Ceo of the new york metropolitan transportation authority. Which will receive four billion dollars from congress. Patrick welcome in. What's your reaction to lawmakers. Finally passing this bill. It sounds like new york city. Subways trains and commuter rails. Run the brink of disaster. We not gotten this federal aid. And obviously it's gotta pass later today and be signed into law which everybody expects will happen we would have been faced with a situation where our hand would have been forced and we would have to reduce subway and bus service by forty percent and communal rails by fifty and layoffs about nine thousand colleagues. So at this point does that mean those layoffs are just not going to happen so the four billion dollars included for the mta. In the covid relief bill will cover our deficit for twenty twenty. One that will give us a years. running room. We will not have to cut service as we have described or layoff our colleagues in twenty twenty one having said that we still face massive deficits and twenty twenty two twenty three twenty four hour. Ask following this. Four billion dollars to the federal government is eight billion dollars in federal funding over that period. Yeah okay so just paint the picture for us about how badly the situation was at the. Mta ridership were down in your finances very badly. Hurt by the pandemic. Let me put it in context. Peter the decline in ridership on subways buses metro north along railroad the two commuter rails that we also run orders of magnitude worse than the great depression at the depths of the pandemic subway. Ridership was down ninety five percent and even right now on an average weekday. It's down seventy to seventy five percent to an average re pan-demic week. We got half our revenues from our customers and fairs and tolls and the precipitous decline in ridership across the board has had drastic at bursa financial consequences. So this would explain why your financial picture was so dire but as you say you still have an eight billion dollar hold phil even with the relief money down the road so that means either have to raise more revenue cut expenses or both. How are you going to do that. The answer we're going to have to do all three and by all three. I mean asked for and make the case for additional federal funding for the mta. We believe that the mta's recovery gets pivotal to the new york regional economies our region. A casper about ten percent of national academy piece in the nation's interests to do that second is we are gonna have to raise fares in tolls and the third thing is cutting costs and over the last several years. We've taken two point. Eight billion dollars of cost out and twenty twenty one. We'll take an additional estimate. Eight hundred million dollars out at the beginning of the year and january a couple months before the pandemic we expect an eighty million dollar surplus for the year and the only way we're able to close it. This year is with federal reserve liquidity funding borrowing. And then next year will be covered by the funding for the ncaa inappropriate. Relief bill on the issue of raising fares. I'm sure you're aware that this weekend. Commuters were protesting that plan They're making the argument that they're being asked to pay more at a time when the economy is absolutely devastating and the fact that they're they're getting less from the service who is now the time to be raising fares on your commuters when the hurting the most what. We're acutely aware that lots of our neighbors in the new york region are suffering under employed unemployed making less money a small businesses including restaurants have been it very hard. The difficulty that we had at the mta is bears and tolls account for fifty percent of our revenue bears over three hundred million dollars of annual fair revenue. Whole revenue built into our budget increases over surely time we propose to increase it less than the rate of inflation and for low income new yorkers in the city of new york as a fair fares program. There would it be more people enrolled in it but for customers while we to fair fares auction funded by the city of new york is important option. We've been talking about finances but of course there's also the human toll of this pandemic and it's taken its toll on the mta a think. The virus has killed more than one hundred of your workers. How difficult has this year been for you. All the people working there new york was the epicenter of the virus in march and april and it exacted a heavy toll in new york city and the region. Obviously governor cuomo's then extraordinary things in terms of stopping the spread but the effect on our colleagues at the mta has been devastating created a family benefit for the survivors of a transit workers who passed away due to the covid. We thought its first in invention. I believe and we thought was the right thing to do. We've led the way in terms of innovating working with the antimicrobials and air exchange programs and ultraviolet c light which we proved with professor from on the erotic the probe in nineteen virus distributed of mass to our employees and our customers will continue to do that. A. going forward but the viruses exacted a very heavy toll including the mta in. We mourn the loss of every one of our colleagues does the arrival of the vaccine change your projection of when you can return to some kind of normal. The announced multiple. Vaccines is extraordinary. News and ridership will come back the trends driving ridership urbanisation environmental considerations. Obviously mass transit is extraordinarily green compared to getting in a car driving on a highway. The fact that human beings want to socialize and leslie if you look at the eighteen nineteen flu pandemic and the smallpox vaccine in nineteen Nineteen forty seven. The polio situation late fifties and sixties people have returned to mass transit in ever greater numbers. We expect that to continue. It is not gonna come back immediately and a reduction in ridership which will be less dramatic than it was in the worst days of the pandemic in new york in march and april and may ridership will increase. But it's gonna take some time to get back to those record levels. Patrick foy is chairman and ceo of the new york metropolitan transportation authority otherwise known as the guy who runs the new york city subway system. Patrick thank you so much for your time and best of luck. Thank you peter. Trucks waiting to get out of. Britain are backed up for miles and people are stranded at airports as dozens of countries around the world ban arrivals from the uk over concerns about a new more infectious strain or variant of the corona virus called b one seven british health secretary matt. Hancock says the new strain is out of control around london. And in parts of england but experts are also urging caution. They say the new strain appears to be more infectious. But it's not clear if it's also more deadly than the corona virus that's killed more than a million people worldwide still. there's concern. What will it impact beyond vaccines on known treatments. So countries are clamping down at borders. Let's go to a service area. In kent in southeast england where this new variant the be one one seven has spiked and hundreds of trucks that normally cross from england to france every day on ferries or through the euro channel tunnel. The tunnel are stuck. Rick mail is one of them. He's a british trucker but he moved to spain a few years ago to save money. He stranded now at the service center in england because he tried to make his way home through europe. He joins us on a cell phone. And rick. when this news started to spread about this new form of coronavirus it's possibly spreads faster than the first as a truck driver who has to be on the road. What were your thoughts. It didn't really affect a great deal. Because when the corona. Boris i started with us. We were going up and down through spain france germany etc europe Keeping supply chains going. So we just got ongoing where you wished. We didn't stop He's got to be extra cautious clubs masks etcetera Disinfectant unless you bought a ticket a lot keeping the cap as you The new virus taking the same cautions You still got keep us konczal. He's going well but as you know. A lot of countries are saying not through our country. I mean they are blocking specifically britain at this point. What what are you seeing as you look around at this arrest up. Many many lorries popped up Nobody nobody anywhere. A lot of eastern europeans europeans. The french lot. There's not many english over christmas. Because i'm looking to get back abroad. Oh back over into europe ticket down into spine Longer goes on for at home for christmas now. 'cause from orlando on It's all my lucky ones in all honesty. at least i'm going to service area. We still is food showers toilets etc Shop staff the services. A lot of the guys are down on the mud and there's no food nothing daddy struggling They didn't get any warnings on the mark twain but basically already down there cause delays on the tunnel when it finally shut down We're stuck into story you're stuck. There is a trucker but there are some ernie here because brexit is coming. The uk breaking with the eu. But there's no deal so. There was concerned that in several days when brexit kicks in there was also going to be a huge. Backup at the border. Are you afraid that you'll go. From a new variant of krona virus backup to a brexit backup bought belief he's a people lawrence but basically there's a lot of these political anyway. She is drawn making a protest against brexit and smart belief and fact Recently i believe i've got There's a lot of people in the same sort of opinion Because the right the right you are actually treating you cut the moment. It's not fair that demanding They're gonna give us twenty seven percent of our own fishing mortars and they want the rest issues. Are you crazy Can we stuck no deals And that's where a lot of extending from well. You know rick. I hear you and i know you're you're is not the only voice that thinks this but i'm thinking boy we know if politics gets in here. We're familiar with this in the us. You know who do you trust. Because you know the officials are saying that this is a serious variant of this coronavirus. They wanna block it from crossing borders. You're saying you're not. You're skeptical of that. I i understand. You're thinking but does that mean you don't believe that this strain is that serious No it's serious Don't get me wrong. there's something about it during the first Drove irish when you're first coming in the first complete hope down so there was a european look down and the only people that are on the road trucks and on the first hand like nurse. She's police firemen etc. Those on the frontline. We're on the road and an actually truck. Drivers keeping supply chains scowling. And we've got the borders and we got through day was very rely but with this month. Belief is it's a bit of a protest sprint drones. And i think a lot of politics involved. Michelle richards probably as you say. You're americans are bemused to well. We're sorry you're caught in the middle of this rig male. he's a truck driver. A lorry driver stuck in southeast england on the border because the french have closed that border over new concerns about new variant of coronavirus. 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Twenty 4:20 #14 | Combatting Cannabis Myths

Kannaboomers | Cannabis for Wellness

22:19 min | 2 months ago

Twenty 4:20 #14 | Combatting Cannabis Myths

"Welcome to twenty four twenty the bite sized educational podcast from cana. Boom and kurt robbins author of more than five hundred articles about the science of hemp and cannabis. We're giving twenty cannabis topics twenty minutes. Each dow you get smarter about turbines. Canaveral nights cultivars and much much more and our show starts. Now tom. we're back with kurt. Robbins for twenty four twenty ongoing series of tweets bite-size educational bits. Hey kurt how you doing today. I'm doing well tom. How's life in san diego. Good getting my second shot soon in looking forward to going out to restaurants and having a beer at a bar in just living life exactly back back in the norm the things that are dear and special to us. Yeah i i miss the Bar experienced too. I know both of us prefer to tout. Cbd thc over ethanol. You know being heavy drinkers but there is something. That's really fun. North america about sitting at a bar and meeting people in having a few drinks. I think it's going to be a fun summer in that. There's so much pent up demand for just human connection and you know let's all get out there and have fun this year. I think you're right here in vegas. They're setting new records every weekend So i know their best year to date with a few years ago when they hit forty six million people came to visit vegas. One calendar year so Some are predicting they're gonna beat it because of all this pent up demand so we'll see it's to be the roaring twenties all over again. Let's only with legal. We'd right but you brought up a really good topic that some scrutiny and it relates to an article published in the journal of general internal medicine in march about internet claims on the health benefits of issues. Right about that. Well this is The results of the study. You know the get almost click beta fish in that in a nutshell they found. We'll talk about the details in a second but the results that blew. everybody's mind. Are they checked all these information. Sources and searched for terms like marijuana benefits. And we'd benefits and marijuana health and canvas health etc. All trying to see what was available through lay publications to lay people on the internet as amplified by social media and they found that eighty percent by their definition. That's just one study and one set of researchers but by their definition eighty percent of what they found was patently. Totally false y. Yeah now what was patently totally true. They said it was only four point nine percent. Oh my good not even five percent. Now here's where it gets. A little complicated is it is very important to recognize the fact that these researchers did not consider non clinical data. So the and. I often discuss research right into these cabinets. Terrapins flavonoids and that researches sometimes in the form of a clinical trial involving. That's the gold standard. We dedicated an entire episode. Way back when to research and in the methodologies and what it's all about so the gold standard the best you can do is a human trial on the call to placebo controlled double or triple blind. And they're very expensive their major sometimes multi year multi continent projects But valid data is obtained from non human trials from Rodent an animal studies. They also have an indo cannabinoid system and Sometimes they're biochemistry is shockingly similar to humans so from a science perspective. We learn a lot when we experiment on animals and the test tube studies what we sometimes call petri dish studies and That don't involve any animals whatsoever. But they still can reveal that say a certain cannabinoid. Turpin might have some anticancer efficacy. These are and then the next step is to experiment on animals and then if we still get positive results that are good feeling human race then we finally escalate to a human trial and that's basically the way research works so these researchers and coming up with these very conservative. Very strict numbers are like i said are almost click. Betas have said if it's not a human trial were we're not going to consider it so any other research that supported these terms that they searched for they would have said no. That's false why because it's not a human trial so that's a pretty rigorous methodology exactly. We need to look for that kind of thing but you know if we if we kind of tell us go back a little to maybe a macro view of this land. Let's say over decades. We know that. In the prohibition era there was flat out lies around. Reefer madness right. There was a ton of e government propaganda that was just that was all not transit. Misinformation exactly disinformation misinformation. However you wanna slice that onion a you know the folks in the nineteen teens and nineteen twenties and nineteen. Thirty s lasted for a long time. This era Fabricated stories of how a young man smoked marijuana and took a hatchet and killed his entire family. Sounds ridiculous by modern standards. And i've talked about it a bit on Past episodes but this these were being printed in like you know. San francisco's major newspapers by the hearst. Family william randolph hearst And without getting into all that granularity and what happened during those thirty years. It's important to say that that misinformation overstated the risks and and harm provided by this plant. They sometimes they took what people do a panic attacks and such sometimes when i smoke potent cannabis but they were just creating these crazy Hyperbole laden stories that looked great. It was like the original clicked bait in the newspapers. Nineteen nineteen twenties right. It was really crazy but again their misinformation said this is really really bad stuff. This is talk success poison. Today's misinformation which shockingly is just as thick as it was back in the original reefer madness as as a science person. I'm a little wigged out okay. But today's misinformation overstates the benefits. Why because carpetbaggers trying to sell more bottles. That's interesting. i mean there was a dynamic set up where everyone went while you can't believe anything. That's official about cannabis because it's all lies so there was a vacuum where people were willing to accept anything. That was a new claim. Exactly exactly i think to give listeners a little more insight into the study these. These guys are true professionals. I did a very nice job of of tersely describing the work that they did in this research. And so let me briefly. Read their entire introduction. It is the prevalence of cannabis use is rising among the population as cannabis continues to be legalized throughout the usa. People are turning to the internet and social media for information about his potential health benefits. In this study we characterize internet claims about the health benefits of cannabis use in the lay press and evaluate the evidence space supporting those claims. That's it that and that's very important. Because their methodology in their approach to this situation of misinformation in the modern world is really critical to whether they brought bias to the game. Or whether they're doing this correctly yeah trying to find a baseline of scientific evidence and saying okay. We know this is true and going from there right and they have to draw the line somewhere. But i i would not say that. I'm not sure i'd go as far as saying that. This is a biased study. I think it was an extremely strict study. And then it said nothing non-clinical. Because you and i again. We talk about the results of non-clinical yet. Peer reviewed hard core scientific research on almost every episode. So i think there's extremely valid data to be collected as we try to figure out the mystery of how these turbines and flavonoids cabinets interact with humans to improve our our mental state or our health. State will yeah into a go along that continuum from okay. We're done with the propaganda. There's a certain amount of folklore there's common sense but we want to step it up to scientifically rigorous objective knowledge. Exactly and i think this is an excellent and very recent example of that whether you agree with their methodology and again i think it's a bit overly strict but it it doesn't just because it's overly strict doesn't mean it's an invalid way of approaching this now. I want to see another study done that. Maybe this would inspire Some other researchers to go in and do it. And a broaden the scope of research results they're willing to consider But someone will do that right. It's a large competitive world. Well in the doctors. I talked to say there's so much research going on. I mean it's hard to keep up a week by week with what's really happening now and that's great but for listeners. For the for the average cannabis consumer or cd consumer out there. What's the best way to know when you say you're shopping or you're looking for some information about nanotechnology. Our you know our nanoparticles of of cd. Tincture any good or not. are they. great nanno emotion tech. I've been talking about it and videos and articles recently. It's really hot among especially in among cannabis industry professionals. Everybody's really interested wondering if there's dollar signs attached to that geno what are the pros the cons so to your point who. The heck kenya trust if somebody says. Hey no most technologies the bomb. Everybody should be doing it. Will how why should i trust that source if someone else and this is the reality of the situation says nanotech so bad it's like gmo. It hurts the environment over time when we get tons of it. It's going to be like plastic in the ocean. There's fearmongering there's conspiracy theories. Unfortunately i love social media but social media really helps Fire up conspiracy theories and it's all based on ignorance right. It's what you and. I have been preaching in every episode of the series. It's science right. It's reasonable objective. Evidence based science based research results. They need to drive business. They need to drive regulatory oversight and they need to drive consumer on patient behavior. There's a marketplace of ideas out there and sometimes it overlays into the marketplace of products but wanting to discern the truth of things before you put substance into your body. I think you need to as you say. Consider the source and look for reputable sources of information. You know i. I looked to my doctors who i interviewed. Who i trust and i look for. Us empathy certified cb products. That i know have met a certain sense. That's a level of trust business associations and trade groups and associations There's either trust or there's not trust and you know you've been paying attention to those cats for a while now and you know. It's not your first rodeo whether you can trust them or not right and sometimes you have to outsource. I wouldn't dark. But i talked chemists and doctors and do trust them. I certainly doctors have a higher standard proof. i mean. sometimes. I've been frustrated in that. You'll can't you tell me that. The anti tumour properties are going to be good for someone who has cancer and they. They won't go that far because leads. You say there's not a clinical study they can point to so it's going to take time for some of these things to manifest themselves. But in the meantime you do have to pay attention to sources you know. And i do for the record like the wellness professionals and others in the industry who use that as as their line in the sand the clinical trial. They're like look unless we have multiple high level well-financed well organized clinical trials involving human beings. They're not going to buy the hype they're not going to believe that Lima nien is good for asthma or cancer or geno that there might be an anti inflammation mechanism built into the interaction of many of these fido molecules with the mammalian and human cabinet systems. So yeah who do you trust. Well let's get back to that. Because i think is what best serves listeners. Okay i have a client in colorado and a company and i an every article you two articles a month were gonna turn it up louder in the near future. But we're putting out a lot of content right and it's all about the medicinal efficacy of terrapins and i cite period. Viewed research studies. We embed links right in our sting article. So it's like don't trust me. Go trust go to show you underwear drawer. I'm going to show you at my source material. There's no secrets here. Go check out this research study and some of them get very complicated so i feel for patients and readers who were like. Well wait you know. This is a little too complicated. It it is sometimes like you say you. Gotta outsourcing go bringing a chemist to help dissect everything or a doctor or something But many of these research studies and this march Twenty twenty one study here for mation is a great example. I encourage it to you know. Drop a link in the show notes for the listener so they can check it out on their own But they they did a very nice job dropping overly scientific verbiage and they it's very readable. the readability is is right up there. it's not intimidating at all for readers. This is kind of a trend in research studies and some of them. Some researchers realized that if you make it a little more relatable to the layperson you're you're gonna get more people reading at right in a larger audience as always a good thing. They're not doing these studies so only two people read about it right. I mean it's the efficacy of the information you know. It's it's easier to have an impact if you make it intelligible. I'm looking at it now. I a flow chart in it which is a great aid to understanding part of good researchers just transparency. They're not hiding anything in terms of motive or mechanism or investigative and. This is a good solid study again. It's very strict study. And i think somebody who wanted to be a whiny about it could say. They were biased in their approach. Because they didn't consider the non clinical data. You know Everybody's got an opinion. That's that's one way of looking at it again. My i'm gonna officially say it's just very conservative. It's one approach to it right like a truck. A pickup truck is an approach to a vehicle so as a porsche turbo. That's that's another approach to a vehicle. Absolutely just this week as we record this new york new mexico in virginia came online as the latest. Ray criminalize chuck schumer. The majority leader's talking about federal decriminalization. So the tide keeps turning. I mean we talk about this month after month but boy it sure seems like we've hit a tipping point here and they're going to be more and more people who are logging on looking for information there's gonna be some charlotte's outsor- promising the moon. There is a need for good reliable trustworthy information. Yeah you bring up a great point. Eventually we're not sure exactly when it's going to happen. But every single north american will have legal access to adult use cannabis. Some of whom good even grow at themselves not all but but some and They're going to need reliable information about how to grow it and how to store it. And if i if i party a little too much how do idea what that. What's the underlying mechanisms and an general. What's just because other things too much food or drink too much alcohol or or those are the most of north americans are used to dealing with those situations good indifferent but cannabis is very new to most consumers. You and i have been doing it for a long time. But we're quite honestly not the norm and people. It's great to see enthusiasm when a state goes legal right and folks wanna get on board and go to the new dispensary but If you know if they walk in and say what's good for pain and the bud tender says any end dako- do You know we got a little problem right. Sure well and having worked in marketing. I know you've always got to tell the consumers prospects about the potential benefits but sometimes those benefits can get blown out of proportion of careful so there's always a tension between marketing and in actual reality. Let's put it that way but sure you do want to let people know what to expect with the product but do it within the parameters of something verifiable yeah. Everybody's got to put food on the table. Make a fair profit. But how do you do. So within an ethical and factual zone and therein lies the issue and like we're saying more than one hundred years ago would reefer madness emerged among the states. Ironically california was the first state to make cannabis illegal also the first state Oh not the first state then to re legalize it right. That was washington and colorado. So it's really funny. How people perceive a lot of this were getting close to twenty minutes. A what's your best advice for our listeners. Who who want to stay well informed. Do they wait for the new york times to put on the front page of well. It's pretty geeky but you can go straight to the research. That's what a lot of people don't realize is just go directly to the research and cut out the middleman now. I'm kind of middleman okay. So i'm not necessarily advocating that. But i think i do two things personally. I go straight to the research. Why do three things. And then i find researchers and follow them on twitter or lincoln. Phd's and medical researchers. And obviously i'm focusing on folks who are researching cabot center pains and flavonoids. Some things having to do with hemp cannabis. Use google scholar. Or how do you find those. Yes yeah. I use google scholar to develop a lot of my articles. And prepare for webinars and such just because it taps into su so much of what we're talking about in recommending here. Peer reviewed a scientific research published in reputable journals. Good place to look you know. And then find experts who you trust. And that's that's another tricky one but And then there are sources like magazines and and sometimes these are thought leaders who summarize the research for us i. I'm one of them. Quite honestly. Where i'll i'll do the deep dive and i'll summarize the data and then i can present that sometimes if we're good at presenting it we can present it in a single tweet right That's called summers ation. And if it's an eight page research study that goes into that one tweet while there's a bit of time and effort involved in that but What we're talking about is finding trustable sources. Since the the research studies are not always friendly to read you can find a middle person like me who does get in the analysis in the summer association and presents to you in a language. that with which. You're comfortable yeah. I do follow you on twitter. And sometimes twitter is for doom scrolling or joy scrolling. Or you see things in little bits. But i'd love your presentation on length. Dan where there's a little more context. You can see a graphic oftentimes. He'll you started to do video there too. Which can be very arresting for. The people are scrolling. And they see you talking. And you're saying good stuff so i will say all our listeners definitely follow kurt both on twitter linked in if you really wanna learn about canvas because boy. There's there's nobody else out there. Who's breaking it down the way i see you. Thanks tom i appreciate it and just I try not to namedrop too much. But i have started to other twitter accounts one's called learning teach others on the other one is higher learning lv. And that's my training company that's going to be doing all these seminars courses So that's i almost want to drive people to those accounts more than my own because at the end of the day it's all going to be about higher learning. Lv higher learning lv and learn and teach others. Yup is there anything else should cover. Because it's a. It's an important topic. And i think the most important thing is just that people are cognizant of the trust ability or the factuality of the sources. They consult. Don't don't just do a google search willy nilly and expect that you're going to get valid results back. This study shows that there is a very good likelihood that you're gonna get results that are marginally factual or maybe just totally off the ranch. Yeah a bit of the wild west out there very much right now so buyer. Beware pay attention. Who you're you're listening to and try to find good information caveat emptor Absolutely all right. I think that's a wrap thanks kirk. Hey thanks tom. We'll be back soon. You've been listening to twenty four twenty a special edition podcast series from canada. Boom and kurt. Robbins wanna learn more and help grow the cannabis movement spread the word and follow us on your favorite podcast platform or at cana. Boom dot com.

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#1495 - Kyle Dunnigan

The Joe Rogan Experience

3:32:40 hr | 1 year ago

#1495 - Kyle Dunnigan

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Are you talking about those videos old, tiny, black and way where they live from. Yeah Yeah. Do you know where those are? Those are funded by? William Randolph hearst. That piece of He was a piece of rice. Yeah, and his daughter brought a gun into a bank. Wow! Maybe, she want to protect your money. She's richest. Fuck Robin. The police do either wrong person. Patty hearst patio stats right? Yeah must be related right? What she? The granddaughter I think she's the granddaughter because she's too young to be the daughter I'd like to. We have no information. Let's go, but let's broadcast to. Write this down here. Says matter. Patty hearst yeah interesting story. William Randolph. Hearst is also the reason why this wild pigs and California, how does that because that asshole brought them to his ranch? He wanted to a Menagerie I think that's the correct term menagerie of animals. He's a nutty person. You could visit hearst castle. It's crazy place. Yeah, yeah I WANNA go there so northern. California has kind of an investigation of wild pigs, and it's because directly because of William, Randolph. Hearst pigs that left his compound to start fucking running through the woods like there it is that's the that's the place I feel you could solve that. It's villain Arrow. solve. Wild pigs are the hardest animal to solve in terms of like invasive species, because they fuck like crazy and they breed like three times a year. So one pig can have like three litters a year. Pigs love to fuck. They always dirty pigs or something. Hawaii where the has some infestation, and they brought in this other animal to get it, but they brought the wrong animal, and then that became the infestation again something I. Don't have enough information about yeah, I think that's A. Must I think you're incorrect about that? Because for something that could kill pigs. It would have to be a big Predator like a cow. Pigs look different infestations. It was okay. It was slightly related to your story. Well I know they did then Australia Australia fuck themselves up hard core. They brought in animals to kill animals, and those animals wanted running or mock, and killing always seems to have yeah. They probably cats like house cats. They have an infestation of wild house. Cats in Australia, let's Kinda cute. But it's sick. Because of blow, hunters are like paid to hunt. Cats like people paid bounties for house cats so in Australian hunting magazines. You'll see guys holding up a house cat. What do you get per cat? I? Don't think you get A. Can't they can't have your cat I. Think it tells I. Don't think it's not like beaver pelts, or until like that where it's really valuable, how high is is this GonNa make? We're ready gone. Already gone, really hit four times man I'm already not starting off with a lot of IQ points. For their points spit in fact, son Yeah. Wild, wild cats. You're the one who told me about the the mustard seed, and once you said that I cannot see mustard and crazy. I think it came from Russia. That, crazy beautiful yellow we'd that covers the hills in California's really pretty. Awesome I thought it was pretty to. You told me it was a weed now. I think it was gross. Isn't that weird? You call one plant one thing another. It's fucking plant. You know we're. We're really racist with plants. We are planning. You know we're planning. West's so if you see like a beautiful green grass, but it's got some weird like daisies popping up. People get mad at those daisies. They're Nice. Looking as our grass, pluck them out of their life. Fuck you. You're not what I want. They're very. With that they want uniform just. Weird thing that we do a lawn is a weird thing how so we're controlling nature on a large scale in our own community, our own little yard. We have a little spot and lock it down. We want that grass. Nice, yeah. Nice and cut clear to thing. We'll sit back like what what is happening with grass. When you see why wise it make, you feel so good like I? Don't play golf, but I feel good when I see a golf course all that green like Oh. That's nice. I guess it is uniform. You could walk on it so danger. It's nice for your feet, but it's also you. You controlled shit like the men took that grass in bend it to their will. That feels good. Yeah, fuck, you fuck you. Fuck you trees. You ever get a weeding. Trees People chop trees down. Fuck off tree and I want you there that the man. lumberjack. For sure. How many chick lumberjacks are there? Three does got to be the toughest women on the planet lumberjack checks. It's like female M, Amanda Nunez and then lumberjack chicks. After the. After the chainsaw, though it's a little bit like it's dangerous. Is Fuck gotTa do it? Right things go wrong all the time. People get hit with trees. We've talked about everything I. Don't know anything about so I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe people never get hit by trees. Appreciate it. I think it's pretty safe. Turns out. Lumberjacks never died. They live older than everybody I. Think they think they die all the time. I think I just. Fuck tree like a big ass. Oak Tree, my God. That's a lot of weight. That could crush you so. If you fuck up and it hits. It takes a bounce and it hit somebody or Chop trees down, but you just dealing with so much weight. Yeah, I could imagine if someone if you don't know what you're doing. You're an asshole and you just bought a plot of land. I'm going to be a farmer and. Chopping trees by yourself? Yeah, you kill yourself easy. To the wedge. I know him. I don't know what I'm talking about, either, but they do have a method to it, but but I wonder how many women that'd be a crazy reality show. They probably already done it. Email lumberjacks. Lumber that weird thing where they climb a pole real quick, they do lumberjack contests like yeah I, remember those you run on a log in the water right the. Across streams. Jill! They call him just looked it up. Oh, okay I! Don't mean to be disrespectful. I just talked talk. Shit, a lot of guys wanting that lumber Jill. Calendar. You know what I mean, right? Right me. Oh? They're some big ASS, women. Big Strong women that will fuck you up. You like a strong woman. Joan yeah a big. Can't carry things. Oh. Yeah, she's. Throwing axes and Shit Oh my God. Yeah, that's a tough stock. If you wanted to make like a warrior child, you find one of them, women yeah, they can get through a winter. Yeah, yeah, they can, they can walk to the road. Did you find a lumber? Joe I think he did. See just took a gas and there's a fucking show about the show that. There's like a fun game to play where they tried to. Come up with an APP that doesn't exist, and it's actually really hard Oh. My God I imagine there's a bunch of wizards like really smart kids sitting around trying to do that right now, yeah. I didn't take. The picture of the sword is at the end. You can take a picture with a sword. Awesome, and don't you have like this like whisky? You give everybody. Do you want some whiskey? Is this too much sure? No come a little a little haven't seen forever with the commerce embargo. It's just beautiful to be in the room with now. It actually is really nice, it's. It's so nice to have comments. Like Doug Stanhope said this best and I quote him all the time, but rose a great quote. He said I quit comedy but I couldn't quit comics. Oh! That's nice. Yeah, yeah, I when I'm around normally normies normies enormous normies like I heard dating This was bigger date. I'm like because I've been focusing on my career stuff. Whatever and I'm I'M GONNA date in two thousand twenty. Wow, this is my big year and there's mclovin. Yeah, but I got an APP I met. A couple of girls was chatting with bored out of my I. Mean Sweet, Nice People, but just when you don't know someone. Comic says it's like if you've never met them, you, you're not you know hooking up and having dinners whatever just to talk to a stranger on the phone about their cat. It's I had to end all that some people don't know what it sounds like when they talk. The day. Just drone on, and they don't seem to know. Like Oh. My God you're killing me. You'RE GONNA pay attention to that I'm not I can't take what you're saying. Yeah, read the room just blah. Blah Blah Blah. Some people just have some shit in their head, and they're GONNA get it out there going to vomit out onto your ears, it's. Live it doesn't matter how long it takes? Yeah, and they repeat themselves and they're gonNA make a big deal out of shit. That's not a big deal and you're gonNA. Want to run through a fucking wall yeah. Listen all that so maddening because like your, your life is passing you by well. The good thing is would it really. Does I'm a bright side of the? Coin the bright side of the coin I believe. Expression. I mixed up my expressions of glass. The glasses came down I'm a glass glass. Coins No. This is the good stuff. Rices Buffalo Trace. I gotta be. Someone's got to put a little cap on me. I'm so hot! I forgot we. We're talking. Now, I feel bad for any listener we WANNA make a public apology. Already fuck this thing. We're both having trouble thinking to two thousand and twenty thousand per year of all, we're GONNA make. What do they call it? A mulligan does dudes to play golf. Did you get on? What's the Maga mean? To. Scratch his whole year. I'd like to toast two things. People don't agree with like at the last minute very Canadian tonight eleven. Clink. Rude. I think there's GonNa. Be a lot of good. That comes out of this year I really do. This I like talking about positive stuff. What are you thinking as well? I think people realize that society. And civilization hangs on by a thread in some cases, and you know in a series of events can happen. It could derail our life radically. Don't think people are really aware that that was possible before. I think there's a lot of things going on a lot of competing mindsets, and can competing ideologies, and there's a lot of anger going on in the world right now, and then there's this fucking fear that comes with a pandemic everything like pandemics. Ramp up everything like. This I have to think about it. Thinking about it is just a pandemic, but it's also. There's a mind disease like a fear disease that sweeping through the land to. And I feel like it's like your. Your your resources are being used up in so many different directions that it's like you're a little over run. It's one of the reasons why people reacting. So violently two things lately. There's everything is just ramped up and I feel like. There's there's a certain level of other things that you can tolerate in your life. When you have so many things compounding and piling on top of each other. It's like the reason why they say that people get road rage. Is because it's not just here in a car and someone does something stupid? But your your senses are heightened because you know you're going sixty miles an hour, so you're very aware it's a very different feeling. Right even considered that when I heard about I thought road rage. Just people being a pussy like you being mean while you're locked in this little boss, 'cause you know you can't. Nobody can say anything to you, but it's not just that it's fear because you're fucking driving fast, and it's like if everybody fucks up someone's texting. Lane you could die so because of that because we have this head, it causes us to be like extra ramped up and I think that's how we are right now with everything because of covert. Even if you don't have covert, even if you're not worried about covert, what it's done is made everybody ramp up, so everybody's almost got road rage, so everybody's like a little bit more stressed out than they've ever been before a little bit more ramped up and everything gets exaggerated and everything gets blown out, and there's so many more instances. Of scary things you're being seen in the news and so few instances of really nice things. And it's like fuck weird combination of things to try to manage. Yeah, I, I've never raged before my life like screamed and raged, and then when this thing happened I, it was it took me right either a few times where I raged. It's understandable. Totally understandable. Yeah, but it's totally understandable. Where we're all expected to manage. Our Energy and our anxiety and we're expected to do a perfectly. Were expected to be exactly who we were four five months ago before all this should happen i. think that's crazy. Yeah! I think people are under like mad, fucking weird stress that we've never experienced before. The economic stress the stress of the virus. I think we just need to fuck and make a collective global effort, collective effort to just be nicer to each other. I think it's possible I think we can realize that. Yeah, look, what can happen, look how sideways everything can get. We just get lost in the woods or let's work together. What's what do you want? Don't you want Nice? Neighbors I want a nice neighbors, so if I want nice neighbors don't WanNa hold nice city. Whole Nice community don't want a whole country. Why is it impossible if people are communicating well recently, I thought. Each, other some people are trying. It's just the it's hard to like. There's too much of our time is spent communicating on like social media stuff? Too much time the tickets to one dimensional and it's to you. It's too frequent, so it's too many interactions where you're not getting like real real human feedback. You're not getting real love getting real friendship, you're you're talking just the ether. Typing things into glass and you know on the other end. Someone's going to interpret it. Yeah, but it's a tear. It's just the worst way to communicate, and that's most of what people are doing today. So the most ineffective unemotional on connecting communicate is the most common right, and that's why we're acting like fucking nuts. Do US harm. Do you think we can back off that? Yes, we back up getting a flip phone. That's been the problem. Flip Flip phones just have to get better text, recognition, software or voice to text recognition software, so you could just talk your messages into flip phone, so all anybody could do as text you and call you just leave me off of everything. Tax People are. Too worked up. Too worked up about everything. They should be worked up about, but the problem is is no balance 'cause it's almost all the stuff that they're angry about. Because that's what they want to text in a tweet and facebook about and very little of the stuff like what's the ratio of like really cool stories like that? Make you feel good to like? are in the news radio. Ninety something to one ninety seven to one. There's a new one. There's a cloud of dust. It's coming from Africa across the fucking ocean is. Really. This year is the devil scripted this. What does it what do? I don't know. I didn't know. Dusk fly that far all the way across the ocean and that crazy. Where is it right now like somebody gotta? We're at DEFCON. Five or some shit. What happens it's. Gone. I just read it I was like Oh my God and they said Yellowstone's ready to blow. That scares me the most the most the most. We're pretending. We're over here pretending that this this is all permanent. It's a few times a year. Does it really fairly common, but what does it? What does it do? This is not a proportion for the news. I think just the headlines sounds crazy. How headlines Terrible? The one I found says it's a silver lining, so it's actually kind. Maybe a good thing. signifies a dry, very dry layer in the atmosphere and hurricanes don't like dryer so. Turkey oh well. That's good. Okay? Oh, see! We jumped the gun. That tells me that was a great story. How hurricanes, how about the fact that every fucking year the sky becomes a monster and eats people. fucking throws cars through the Air Shit every year. It happened and it's getting. It's getting worse. Right in the fire's any worse. They say that and it makes sense. It's getting worse, and this is not an excuse for like the carbon emissions. This makes it. The dunaway worst is. The nervous cloud of dust for Africa Sahara appears to be heading for Texas Louisiana and Florida. It's like it's a mental initial, a dust storm taking over a city. Oh, my God! Is that really what it was like I? Don't think so I mean that's not what the other article just showed that video. Though what does it say? Massive Dust Storm? Turns the sky, red and Cindy's capital way Far God man at that was in mission possible. Four I think was. It was like that Guy Right? He got caught in the dust storm coming. Yeah, to demand live in there and seeing that common. He like Oh my. God I'm going to be breathing for the next hour. Like how long does it last How dust arm last two mansion living there man, you've got to go to the grocery store and you're literally walking through a dust storm. See addressed like one of them. Do from the Lord of the Rings Right Right. fucking scarfs across your face like no, the the guys in Star Wars, what are they called the the ones who lived like in the dirt and the sand. People people yeah. I don't think that was the name. There's also the little the little ones. Yeah, there was a bunch of those were the dammit, but those sample now walks with a fluffy ones. Who the sand people how shame raiders. Yeah. I think that's a they're called. They're called JOWL. Sounds right. I believe you. A whole. podcast a things we kind of. Where doing it I don't think man. Look? There's no way that's the weather just stays the same. It doesn't stay this. Doesn't, but we have to listen to climatologist hundred percent, yeah! I? Don't know why it drives me nuts, but I just, but this is my point of view league. Legitimately we have a bigger concern, one of the biggest concerns we're not prepared. If anything goes sideways and that's what we're finding from this cove thing. We're not really prepared. If things go sideways, yeah and. We definitely should be protecting against the human impact on the climate change. It's real really have fucked up the earth. How ever even if we didn't fuck it up this this place is so unstable even if it wasn't us the asteroids the her. Existent of always existed earthquakes. We just don't live long enough to see enough of these to be scared of him. Because? Our lives are so fucking short. Yeah, and the life of the earth is so long that these all these tectonic plates like when we go to a mountain like wow, that's really pretty look what happened. It's alive. The things moved right out this. Lava under it. If you feel like ten thousand years of second, you will see the hauler just. Come in and out, and it's constantly doing that. It's always done that. We definitely should stop fucking up the world that we're living in the world that we existing, but even if we didn't, this is so dangerous. Yeah, this whole place is covered with predators. We are Super Lucky. We killed most of them often boxed ourselves away. THOSE PIGS! We gotTA figure out that Astro we're not looking at enough sky. and. They were looking at three percent to get different answers from different folks. When you ask them how long it would take before they could deflect some forget. Think Neil degrasse Tyson. What did he say ten years? Do you remember? If. You got to figure out how you're going to do it and Jesus. Fro G. If it's too big. There's nothing you can do. But I I don't know we could get a just. You have one week to live. Just could come on the news today we. We just saw this asteroid. said the Mayan calendar is supposed to technically next week. Oh Jesus, thing always comes up though, and it's never anything you would shock me when you have the leader of a cult, and they've doomsday date and the time they'll go outside and they saying that doesn't happen, and then that guy convinces them to stay, and you know it's different day. Yes, and they all just. A guy who was taken out billboards there was a billboard in Woodland Hills on Ventura Boulevard, and it had this fucking billboard, and he had a bunch of them all over the place, but has billboard. That showed the very day the earth was gonNA end like it was like at a date it. Do you remember it? I don't I WANNA say? It was like somewhere around eight or May? Not Scientists says reading mine counter predicts. I. Oh, okay. Whatever actually shots New York Post a little bit. The Post is trolling you son like that. We listened to people who just put leeches on people to tear learning to the sun actually. Better you know, man they. They did have a weird culture. The mayans had a weird culture whose it's real much about it. I know the temple and they they didn't. They kill virgins. I don't think they killed mom who knows? Let's create about this I. Don't know if they really know what exact people they killed. They kill a lot of people. But what's really interesting is how beautiful their structures were like these amazing struck. The pyramid like those big. A one of them was for murder for their crops Dave Dave speculated that there were certain platforms that they would do sacrifices on the Aztecs. Did I think the most sacrifices in one day? In, or it was like a couple of days, the the killed somewhere around I want to say. I want I want to say more than eighty thousand people. They sacrificed when they yeah when they completed this one of the temples. How do you? Bury them. They just killed them one after another that takes a little longer. The victims of human sacrifice by Mexico's ancient mayans through children into water-filled caverns were likely. Boys and young men, not virgin girls as previously believed. So bow, their would human sacrifice, petron children into water filled caverns I could see. Kids. Imagined that like you believe in superstitions so much you wanNA drown a kid. The so that the crops come back. That's a sign. You people feeling out of control. They don't know the answers to something. They can't figure out. And, but how crazy the people in almost all religions, especially the ancient ones. They they lean towards these really ridiculous things like that. WHO's Sacra I brings that up, but what if we do this? Killer kids yeah, so make sacrilege like cannon right, and if you're God wanted that your God wanted you to kill your children. The horrible God that your or how about your God tells you to kill somebody and when you're about to. He Says No stop I was just getting fucked up stories. I mean that is. attack. That's a normal story. That's the God that makes the universe. Told you to murder somebody, and since you said yes, you did the right thing by saying. Yes, because you have to trust. Kat even tells you something. You can't imagine real right even if you own your gut, it's wrong to murder your kid. You have to murder your kid. God's telling you to and you're like okay. Good. I was just checking bro Hot dot. I like you analysis. Fully asshole. Metzger is actually a a religious genius. Yeah, he knows a lot about religion and he. He was explaining to me. The story of he gave me a much better understanding of the story. Where things Elisha. These kids were yelling at him and the Call Them Bald head is appalled guy and so He asked God to sick a she bear on the kids and killed like forty kids. She's there this. I wish I could remember exactly what what Metzker how? He explained it to me. But it was the the insult was much worse than just calling him bald head. You just have to if to put it into perspective with the time like the way he was saying to him was much worse than we would imagine. Term would be, we're. We're looking at it. In terms of modern language but I still the guy set God sick bear on these fucking kids. was saying that it might have meant the actually. We're trying to kill the man. Yeah from their Elisha went to Bethel as he was walking along the road, some boys came out of town jetted him. Get out here baldy. They said get out of here, Baldy, he turned around and looked at the okay the curse. This this. I think that's a real weird translation. I'll think that's the the the best translation way of hurry before is not written exactly that way. Did they have more than one translation? Translation. He turned around, looked at them, and called down a curse on them. In the name of the Lord, the two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty two of the boys. I got a bear story. It seemed when I heard it before con. Maybe I'm wrong, but if felt like it was In the ancient way of saying it, and that was what Metzger explained to me. See if there's finally got. Go visit another, there's another way of putting the worse together. That was saying it now. They were going to kill him. Version has tons of translations of Holy Shit So. There's lots of versions. In unless they were trying to kill the guy. Maybe and we're looking at it wrong and they were actually trying to kill the guy and I think that's one of the things that Mexico was trying to say. Like they were threatening violence to the guy. Sent a bear. I think to Barris didn't say to bears. Is To female bears to she bears dude. I was called Duda Baldy. He's six bears. Don't follow him again. That's rude I. was in a tent in the woods of the Yosemite. And it was with this girl. You knows dating and. The before we packed up, the ranger guy was like. Hey, don't have any food anywhere tied up in a tree that bears. They're coming out of hibernation. They're hungry. Don't have gum in your pocket. You know really scared us. We were the. Laughing that night link whenever bear and just try to scare everybody. Movie it is. About to get murderous giggling about. So we're in the ten in about an hour and asleep I had brought a knife in my you know. This this size snout pushes into. The tent hops her head that. Then it comes over to my head puffs my head. And I had the thought Oh. This is what terror feels like. They'd never felt the emotion before I'd never actually been terrified to that moment, and we just held each other's hands like really hard, and just did everything not to breathe for two hours, just making the smallest amount of air come in your body. I have a theory about that. I think bears figuring out that this meeting those bags. I think they figured out that there's news legs just like they find like when bears go garbage cans. Yeah, you can't. You can't scare them off. There are always going to keep coming back to that. Garbage can wants to go to the garbage. Can they become a problem? They have to kidnap him and move him to some sanctuary somewhere. Otherwise they'd have to euthanize them. Because once they know where something is. Keep going back either. Scared bears have killed people intense to keep coming back. You coming back to tents, yeah. We had those I've heard of more than one different story about a predatory black bear attacking people in a tent. And then think is there's less deer in the place. If there's been a bad climate is not enough food. Why don't they attack us more during being like because we have guns, does the only reason why and in places where people don't hunt bears. They have way less fear. People I mean. I. Think they would want to get us food immediately. There's some food day. Don't know exactly what we are a part of the natural world. We only occur every now and then like. If you run into a grizzly bear in Alaska, you might be the first person that grizzly bears ever seen. They might not have any idea. What you what you are, so it's been alive for nine years. He's never seen a person. That's totally possible. He's Grizzly man. Yes I did. One of the best comedy the. Comedy ever. It is so funny. wall-to-wall laughs that scene where he's at the lake and the bears welcome to him, and he's going no yeah bad. May I don't know true, but the bears could sense. Was something wrong with them? That's what I didn't eat him earlier. They thought he was like. It's some sort of don't disease I. Don't think those bears up their data aggressive because there's so much fish. And I think when when the when the fish runs dry. That's when they get real dangerous. And he went and he was there long after they're supposed to be in hibernation. So the one bear that killed him. Was Really Hungry. It hadn't enough food, so it looked at anything, and like he was gonna eat everything that was in front of it, and so it found him and kill them, so they were saying should never be around when those bears are in hibernation. If you find one that should be in hibernation, and it's not a desperate bear. Oh okay, so dude! Fuck that. The whole movies just fuck that like. Why are you doing that? Why are you camping where you know? The bears walk and he's not saving any. Of these bears. So crazy. Hiker King. was very similar together with tiger. Thing that'd be a great show. Well, what's similar about it? There's something about weird guys to get really connected to murderous animals. There's some sexual some weird shit were there is a tiger or Grizzly bear? I'm here protecting them. This dude is in Alaska in a paper house. Right his housemate at a cloth, and he's he's laying on top of the ground every night, protecting these fucking twelve hundred POW wild dog things yeah. He almost got the key role of woody and. Remember yeah, which is not true. It's not true now. He's a crazy person, but he's also crazy person that found like an a venue for his crazy that he did some good too, and here's one thing that he did. It's good and I'm not being facetious that movies brilliant. It's an amazing piece of entertainment through that movie. Millions of people have been entertained. I don't think he would've been able to do that without absolutely. So it was funnier than shares. Talking grades. In that guy's dying that way. It's a tragic story. It's a it's a lesson to be learned, and it's also hilarious. There's there's A. He did it on purpose Werner Herzog of really smart guy. He made that thing funny purpose. You think though that sheriff looks at the camera goes. I thought he was retarded. Tell me, tell me that wasn't like a scene and a fucking. Coen brothers movie. He always taste. He dangled that tape in front of a poor guy's mother, oh. You don't want to listen to those. That, yeah, yeah, that was crazy. when they played the the an audio apparently of the death, it's not available online because we're in. A hers, told them to destroy it and I think he's probably right. But it's long man, the bear Zine them. Just eat him alive. That's maybe the worst ago. Maybe fire I don't the problem with a bear eating your lives. I think it takes a long time. Yes, they're not. Like a tiger would just kill you quick. Yeah, grabbing Nagara Pierce. Start eating you from your feet down. You know they don't give a fuck. Ranger tearing your fucking crotch apart while you're alive. Yeah, that and Dude you understand without be like to watch a bear. EU Dick. I. Think Dick I abair just right at your crotch. Oh a big, fucking giant bear head clamped down on your Dick and your astle. And you go in. And that's how you die. A lot of people died that way. Man I guarantee you. If you how many people got attack Dick I by giant? Grizzly bears over the course of the last twenty thousand years. I BET IT WOULD BE A. Number rise. You yeah, he'd be like. Why are we keeping these things around? California did is really wise. The exterminated all the grizzly bears. Is that right? The flag grizzly bears on the flag. There's no grizzly bears here. I didn't know that they're like fuck you. Keep eating US A. Are you big camp? You go camping? I have. I like rooftop camps like we could camp on the rooftop. They've rooftop tents. Have a roof rack on my land. Cruiser. Dr Climb up the ladder I WANNA get w campaign, but things aren't just gonNA fucking crawl up on. Yeah I'll cyber truck because. Great camping situation plus. You look like you're in the future. Yeah, fucking camping in that thing I can. That's some bladerunner, Shit. I love my car like. In a way that I've never liked something, I've bought before it feels like. It's another thing right like it's way better than a car is in its learning and getting better, and it feels like a child learn growing up and help you keep getting these new updates and it Christmas it drives itself and go through to just drives itself amazing, because I bought mine in two thousand eighteen. And how it's gotten so much better. I mean they're solving vision which I think, she'd be bigger news than what it is, and the way they they're doing it as brilliant they have. People paid the money for them to send out all these fleets, and they get all the data is what they need tons and tons of data. And it's the Stop Lights and stop signs now. I kind of watched a video on how they did this and it's. They sent to the fleet like Hey, send us all your stop signs, and they all come back to this one place learns. And I gotTa Stop Sign near my house, and just a little piece of showing covered by bushes in the, but the car recognized. To. Just and that's his side job that that's his side. Job is the coolest person ever on paper paper in person. Yeah. I think Nikola Tesla is probably the most important inventor of all time, but. Tesla I don't think you would think he's cool. You know he was just a genius, and who's WHO's in love with pigeon like he was really really crazy, really crazy guy, but primarily, but had ideas. Yvonne is like cool. You can hang out with him. It's super cool. Yeah, he was here. Smoking one of these got in trouble for about twenty four hours they. Bounceback. Tossed six for this lock six six percent. Is that right? Yeah, but it came back nine percent the next day. Yeah, yeah, people crazy! He's the greatest CEO. He's always in the news, but the fact that the Tesla things like as side gigs. What's most ridiculous? He is a person ever. In the history also very important. Very important things fuck yeah. We would be so far behind if it wasn't for one. God, what would the electric car market look like today? If it wasn't for one right and they tried to kill I, mean you just yes, and he's still happens. You get the worst news. Every car crash crash on the news, and when there was fires, which they're Arnie more, and there was only like a few everyone was front page and people thought Oh don't those cars blow up. It's like many gasoline car fires. There were that year you saw two anyway I, just get The fact that they made such an amazing amazing car in got past all the bullshit that was coming at them to destroy it. He just doesn't listen, he's. He's like I'm smarter than you so just keeps going. T he knows what he's doing and he's been right so far. We're fucking lucky that guys around now I don't I don't like people. Give Him Shit. I mean this should promoting hiding the fires and the guy ahead of the The board that looks into crashes. What's the name of that board anyway? You would think you go. Oh, I've got this car. That's fifteen times safer than Almeida cars. Let's help this company out, but every they investigate five hundred crashes a year those department. Every Tesla crash they investigate. You know he's he's just on him and I understand you have to in a way with the self-driving. But you know. But they've not been reckless about that and there's some dish. Accidents though are very troubling. One of them was guy slams right into the side of a truck less out of that. Yeah, that one didn't even make any sense. That one was like. How does it not no, there's a truck in the road, but or does it not know what to do? A truck in the road? Like what happens tips over what do we do? You. Don't know what to do while. Are you driving right like that's crazy? You're not ready for you to drive yet if it doesn't know where. The, yours was pay attention and Self driving. Yeah I. Think People, text and fucking. Ellen Shit I. Long Dry I went to phoenix bad just seven hour drive and I was like. But I pulled over but I that car it's easy to. Mention well, it's it's just a different kind of thing. It's like you think of what a car is. Think of you know an engine and pumps gas, and you're driving around and it's. That thing is like an electronic vehicle. It's not a car doesn't make any noise. It's an amazing looks just like a car. But where's your engine? It's like where's the rumble? Where's the? Where's that? Stinky gas right isn't of any of those things silent. That's what I noticed. You look back at horses. Like how do people stand the stink of? New City, but then when you get a electric car, you go those other ones that was poison just used to it and I was like. Oh that's what they. When people just rode, horses must've smell Tara everywhere. Just Horse Shit everywhere. It'd be like. Yeah, I mean really right. Did should all over the place? Horse. Yeah, but they gotta get. We gotta get the new technology because. Them trying to save coal jobs I get it, and it's a really tough thing, but we. We got a better training and it's like them trying to save the the horseshoe. Guys business like we're not going that way. Do you know the whole learn to Code Fiasco online well Someone was talking about coal miners in like what what they could do. You know if they stopped a miner and someone said learn to Code Yeah, and then learn to code somehow no I probably fucking this up, but became like a bad thing that you couldn't say on twitter like an insulting thing that would get banned from twitter. Why. Because learn to code was some sort of an insult, became some sort of an insult or mocking this idea that these people so you you, you. Can't I mean it seemed the most? Of sentences learn to code. Is there anything wrong with learning? No. Is there anything wrong with learning code? No, there's not so how come I can't say learn to code. I can't say it because at one point in time it was used. Describe this one thing now it can be kind of become funny. Learn to Code Yeah I, don't yeah. I don't understand why that's bad. It seems like good advice. It seems like good advice always, but maybe it's mean to say to these coal miners they should learn to code I got that that you could also use that and a lot of different ways. Once someone said learn to code and sounds good. It's not limited to that one meaning right. You could say it as a friend like as a joke like learn to code and you're not. You're not being an asshole. Enjoy annoying and you'll learn to code. Yeah, you get kicked off twitter. Yeah, they took the whole phrase by one person saying I do show that phrase is locked up. I mean it's an unusual phrase. OUGHTA. Learn. Why can't you say it? I don't know, but I lost Tesla's dishes, too many breaks input on what people can and can't say like I. Don't know how much of this is legit because I know that Google. What is exactly the reason why the federalists and there was another thing that was? explained how that that worked Jamie how they were pulled down. The had an issue It says with their sense, so that's what Google controls. This ad sense right the money that you make off of your website. There is a issue with it says. Zero, hedge and federalists both had. Comment pages I guess that had add sense on it. And there is threats of having it taken away from them. In this article says that the federalist. Ben's that need to big tech and delete. It's awful comments section so I was trying to read through it to see. Goes back to what we were talking about earlier the worst way to talk to people just through text I comment. It's a perfect example. Comment section on a website or an example of wide typing something on prints, the absolute worst way to communicate with people yeah. How many times do you think that you could have had a disagreement with someone? Through text messages, but in person you could have come to an agreement pretty easily all the time. I I've run into that problem. I now know not to text. If it's anything that could be taken this call base times even better just to like see. Their faces face times good. A lot of the kids are doing the time they just. They just facetime you out of the Blue Light. That's what a lot of people do now Mike. Okay. Aggressive and someone phase times me. It is, but some guys like it. Yeah. Now with this cove it I'm getting way more used to it. Because of all the zooming I'm doing That's the worry though the worry is, the separates people even more from the emotional contact that we get the emotional interaction, we get from an actual human being. We get more and more, do she? What is? What is what you get extra because I? Don't know the answer this I I'm zooming with you. I'm here now with you. What am I getting? besides the. Whiskey, and being in person with it's a different feeling like I know you're right there. You are right there. Did, that's different I don't think you can get code from contact anymore. Contacting surfaces fight. Face I lost my caring about any of this guy. I, in the beginning of really did care and I was really scared and I bought into it, and then I just hit a thing. Where you call the care fatigue care fatigue I got is their word for that there should be. Just invented it. That, they qualify Care Hang. I think it's care fatigue. Is that a thing? It's probably look female lumberjack was already a thing. This is probably already, too. I WANNA make. An article, compassion fatigue, and there's a compassion fatigue awareness, different, different different compassion fatigue makes sense, too because most people you know they. They only have so much to give to other folks. Kristen Bell People like the WHO in the video it's like they really are putting themselves out there in getting really crushed and if I were them after the first. Tax I did that blowback. I would be out. Yeah. I think that world world of actors and actresses. I think it's very difficult for them. To gauge how other people view someone? WHO's really famous? Who Does something like that like? You have to understand? I don't think they thought about the skepticism I. Don't think they thought about people looking at very cynically. Considered that now I think the only thought like they probably talk to their friends like we're going to make a difference. Make a difference. You're amazing. You're so powerful and if anyone can make a difference, it's you girl. The platform use a boom next. They're making this video in their corner. Friends just like the one with Gal Godot. Same thing you call your friends. We got this. We got this this fucking dropping like flies in Italy Fallen off, balconies and shit imagine there's no heaven. That I also feel bad in a way. Because if someone friend asks you to do something, it's hard to say no. Sometimes you tell them. This is how I would make fun of you. Yet, realize that you're doing. It's crazy. I understand that they're not. Behind it is great. Yes, they all mean well. They all mean well and for why people when it comes to like that look all white people feel guilty for something. They just do yeah, because blaby leads to be slaves so just that. Just that alone if you did not come from that, there's some sort of guilty. You're connected to the ancestor than slave those people. In the back of your head. Yeah, especially, if you're from old family like if your family's been in this country for since fifteen hundreds of some shit, like for sure, your family had something to do with slavery assure. White Gildas. We're real. Right, now I mean there's videos. There's a guy and you just was joking around black. He goes kneel before me and he's like by. She's like kneeling and it's Yeah, there's a bunch of those videos. There's videos of these people kissing his black dude's feet I don't i. don't think this is good for black people. You know what I mean like what is this? And it's fine if it's just kissing feet kneeling, we're fine is. I'm not smart. Is it good that this? I think it's great that white people are are marching with them, and that's seems good. This is what it is meant. Society and people are getting better, but we get better like this. Oh yeah, the pendulum. We get better in waves. Comes back and right now we're in a crazy period, but ultimately I think what's GonNa come out of. It is way less racism where hitting a new stage of no racism. People are always going to judge people. They're going to judge people on everything. The judge people based on the language you speak where you from whether you're short or taller, fat or skinny people just judge people. They're gonNA judge people, but it will become more and more taboo and more and more disgusting to people. If you judge people on race now, is like a new blip in the consciousness. It's a more. Disgusting Crime to to actually judge people in limit who you think they the potential as a human being, because there are from Southeast Asia or they're from Mexico or they're from. That's going to become a disgusting trait. Something good can come out of this something. Good will come out of this always been disgusting trade, but it's GONNA be. It's GonNa. Reach a new level of IT, yeah! You're always going to have some racist or who's going to have some murderers? He was going to have some bank thieves is they're always going to exist. But. How do you make it better for everybody? Police job. It's like That's the best thing. It's happening right now. People are getting a really believe this does the positive side of me, says I really feel like we're gonNA come out of this on the other end friendlier to each other we do that. It's one hundred percent possible. Good the SALKIN. This can be good thing. The horrors of all this can make us appreciate that things can go sideways, so the the folks who have fortunately survived. Do Better we've got to survive that pendulum swing. Yes, the Al Franken the ME, too Al Franken, that was a weird one window to find that swing in my opinion. Oh, that was a weird one I mean the the worst thing he was accused of is the way he held the woman while he was taking a photo with her. And then there is the girl who was on the. On the plane with them the Leeann, Tweeden surname right. Yes. Let's go with Leeann Tweeden. I'm so high. I can't believe I'm fucked up. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA I'm not high at all. I have no excuse. She's got the best. She's got the best. Case because what is different like there is a photo of him. That photo now wins over her breasts while she's sleeping. Like come. On thousand girlfriend. Now that is that's. He is when he was a comic. He did some zero tour, yes. He. Did something stupid? I'm not I'm not defending, but she's wearing a flak jacket. Touching her, but he's pretending is maybe thought it was funny. Maybe she didn't I get. I don't. Is Arguing. Person Now I. Resigned under pressure, but yeah I just I think he's just a smart I don't know. He got caught up in that wave. You Know I. Think That can happen to folks. I think she even was like I i. didn't WanNa resigned I. Might I I should stop talking things. To say Sheva. Sheba resign. She didn't want him to lose his job over that. She thinks she came out and said I don't think she did either again. No information. Yeah it's you know. There's people out there. Yes that's what's fucked up when you find like. You know when you hear about a guy like Harvey Weinstein Right, and you realize like wow, like just the sheer numbers of people who fucked with. Like there are really people like that, Cosby 'cause one of the greatest Comedians, even better rapists. In terms of all time. The years see. Anybody says that there's nothing ever funny about rape didn't hear that. Yeah because I was funny and you're not trying to be mean. No I probably will get in trouble though you probably will, but it was funny and most people reasonable, and they're gonNA. Understand what we're doing here I can't get canceled, but that's true. You can retrofit canceled. If, you get like job on a yes, show then they come back to come back. On. That's exactly the same. Sorry and the goalposts keep getting moved things that you could say like readily. One things I've been doing has been watching a lot of Adam Sandler movies. Yeah, on a during a man. Some of them are so funny like zone is one of the funniest fucking meetings. But like wildly inappropriate, and just just even then like the things that you can get away with saying then you can't do now. Now you know like and Rob Schneider out of Sandler's movies, he would play a bunch of different races. All kinds of he played Asian guys. He plays. He played all kinds of weird dude. You can do that today. I think ever again. Will it swing back with WHO I? Yeah, you can do other faces fine, but I was never be. Never be fine, but he apparently was. It was not I eighty S. It was like not not that big a deal. You didn't think Oh my God you're. Well! Obviously. Black, people say that's example or evidence of white people being insensitive right, you don't realize how -fensive it is put on paint to pretend to be like us. I didn't know I had no idea black people when they saw like some addressed up as bill cosby a white guy we're. We're mad about I. Really didn't know right. It's the well what's is if you don't have a good sense of history, yeah, you think of it and you go well if I black guy dressed like a white guy. Yeah Those Al Jolson movies. That black face was yeah. We're different. I feel like dude. It was cartoonish, strange and black people couldn't act in movies, so they had white people. Right dress up and put paint on their face so that they literally a black person to me. It's like I understand. The people think that's offensive. I understand that it's offensive to you I. Get it. But when I watched that to me, it is fucking fascinating fascinating like in a scientific sense like you're looking at a different version of human beings Cabrera. You look at it. These people that are just really interested in people dancing and running around and doing so with this weird at hey. That's him. He's humanizing so weary man so weird, and it was like they praised, and you went backstage or a great job. Let me, hear some of this shit. I hear some of it. I can't no nothing. We got trouble. I'll tell you. I should be in public domain, but it's not so okay. Sorry well when? Out To you when you look at him like it's so strange looking. GimMe Little. Imagined He's like I. Like the way black people look, but. The, music's too good. So what I'm going to do is go. A White Guy version it is and just kind of a black guy, and I'm GonNa do like wack white music. fucked I mean how many like how many blue singers were alive back then. That just had you know. That had what year was this? Nineteen seventy seven. I believe what how what year was Robert. Johnson alive. Find Out Rob Johnson. The legendary blues man that the big legend of whether or not he sold his soul to the devil, because he was so much better than everybody else same time so here you go folks. This is a wack why people are Geez. How jolsen's pretending to be a black guy while Robert Johnson is alive and making music. Robert Johnson like that's the route I think it's route sixty six story. What's I? Forget what what? There's a supposedly where he met the devil on the highway. That game he sold his soul to the devil to be the greatest blues man, ever we. It's hard for us to to see in the two thousand twenty context when there's so much music man is so much brilliant music. There's the Beatles and fucking sturgis Simpson and kiss and rolling stone. There's so much fucking music that you could just get on your phone at anytime. But back then this one dude Robert. Johnson was so intoxicating that people thought that he had sold his soul to get that good That was a real legend man. People got it. And he was just traveling around singing the blues, and you can listen to it today, but it's hard to put into perspective. is his stuff public domain deaf? I'll be because of the. Little. Give us a little taste. But Robert Johnson it's it's hard. It's like when you listen to Lenny Bruce Comedy hard for it to translate to today, because the times are so different. And this is the same thing with Robert Johnson, but you gotta think in his day. Just recorded music was like twenty years old. Yeah. Nobody even knew there recording league Beethoven and Shit on these big stupid discs when this is, this is a guy that was way ahead of the curve. I WANNA. Hear this now. Come on Jimmy come soon well. Could it be forty grand out of? Touch Robert Johnson. How much can you call us Roy? PIRATES! Robert Johnson. Left. On? Imagine listening to this in a bar with sawdust on the ground and he's on the stage. A whiskey nineteen thirty. He died in thirty eight at twenty seven, so he wouldn't even that old. He died at twenty. Seven died twenty-seven. This and then this wack ass Al Jolson. Singing songs and pretend to be a black guy at the exact same time that Robert Johnson was alive must have felt real good well, and then you gotta think the Robert Johnson. You're talking about a guy who is alive. Fifth sixth like. Sixty years after slavery ended right. he was born in any teen. And what did say say how he died eleven. WHO's worn nine hundred eleven? That's crazy. So fifty six years fifty ish years. That's when he's born after slavery ended right, so it's basically. The divide between people that used to be slaves and regular folks. It's still so fucked up man yeah. One thing I was reading about that, I didn't know. Was Somebody told me this? The for the longest time after slavery, one of the big things was, he would just arrest black men for anything for loitering. Yeah, and then it would make them work for like pennies a day I did make them fucking break rocks and Shit, so they give these crazy sentences, so they basically kept them slaves. Arrested him a lot for shit. Yeah, and then imagine being a guy whose entire life you've been a slave now you're twenty five years old and they just let you free, and you got to figure out how to get a job and nobody wants to hire. You and everybody's scared. You and everybody's prejudiced against you. No opportunities and then just start arresting you and making break rocks fuck. Yeah. I thought you guys. Are GonNa fix this like this isn't any better. This whole generation had to go through that. Yeah, before it still got to the civil rights movement in the sixties. It's really crazy. It's not that long, not that long man I am. I am fifty two years old, and I believe Michael Yo had on his page that. A year to the very year that I was born maybe I was alive for one year, where it was illegal for a black man and a white woman to get married. Illegal. Like the late, sixties yeah. I didn't know that. Did you know that I don't know anything, Dude. That's my lifetime I. Think I think I was a year old when they made it legal. Mom! Can you find out accurate? Jamie. What are you eating? It looks delicious. Come on Jamie. Shirley got there. Oh, the neuro gum! What does that do? I need one so bad. You Do, too. I do as well. I know I'll smoke a joint and drink. Yeah, and then try to make good points. Points here. We go nineteen sixty seven, so when the year I was born. interracial marriages United States has been fully legal in all US dates since nineteen sixty seven. Yeah there you go? So. That's not that long ago. Man. That's not that long ago interesting history. And we're still. We're still getting over it. Yeah, it's American Indians. Don't even start with that I'm obsessed. You see you see that giant painting than adult that Greg. Overton painting well that big white Indian face when you walk, yes. I. Got Obsessed with the native American history of success. I don't know much about it. Can you enlighten me a little bit for? There's a book. Do you got to start with? This is the one that will get you. It's called empire. The summer moon by this guy s G Gwen. It's fucking crazy. Is All about the command cheese and all about how the Mexicans Trick? People in the satellite into Texas because they knew the command, she's lived there and the Comanche is going to kill him they wanNA buffer between people. So? They gave them all this land election. Your the. He's poor bastards out be slaughtered. Wow Oh my God, dude. It's the best book I think like in terms of like. Like. A perception shifting book, the Best Book ever actually listened to it on tape. Is Never thought I was going to read. I don't read anything I read mostly magazines. I, really I just mostly listen books on tape. But this this one is so well written is so fascinating and the people that figured out how to conquer the comanche. Basically with the guys figured out how to use pistols. They had a change. Their changed the way they did. Battle it a go against them on horseback comanche were so good at fighting on horseback, and these dumb Americans, the. Early Americans. Why don't you in a lie? They would get off the. Shoot their long rifle off their horse dismount from their horse. pull out their musket boom how to repackage it takes to repack it, and these Indians were just fucking them up, so they couldn't get past a certain point in the United States and that was Texas. That's why Texas is so fucking fierce today, because the Texas Rangers were the first people figured out how to fuck up the Comanche. They lived like command. Cheese made cold camps. They didn't light fires. They just bullshit. They survived addressed like like. Greg people the or whatever the fuck they wanted, and they figured out to fight on horseback, and then they figured out how to use a Colt revolver, and it was. They were the only people using the revolver. Nobody saw used for something that could fire five times before ran out of bullets. So this guy invented this revolver when he was like I think he was sixteen years old or something. Something crazy. Yeah, and the patent kind of floated around for awhile and he made them, but nobody really wanted them, but then these rangers kept finding these commands. She's the only had two muskets in their hand and one long once they had three shots, and they had to get the fuck out of there. We can't beat these guys. They have like twenty arrows. This is fucked up and so this. One Guy, got a hold of a Colt revolver, and then he goes. Hey I think we just changed the game. They started fucking up these Indians on horseback. Yeah, and they started conquering big chunks of land that they couldn't that. The Comanche predominating before. It's crazy story men. That's the best way to start with. Because they were so ruthless to each other I will listen to it i. read it I read those I get panic attacks and there's a subtitles in a movie I was in school. My parents kept trying to make me read faster. The this was back before they had a reading problem. He just were dumb. Your idiot bright period. And so they took me to this none of these nuns had this reading machine that we heard about what so yeah, so we drive an hour and a half to go this reading machine. What did you think it was before you got there? What was the magic? I didn't know what was going to, but it was like how old you at the time. Fourteen eighty, go into reading sheen. Yeah, and so it's a nun, very sweet and projects on the wall like one sentence at a time, and it goes by a certain speed one through ten speeds, and so she test me where I'm the first day and I'm I'm level one. I can only read this absolute slowest and she's. I was upset and she goes. Don't worry by the end of the summer. You'll be on level ten. And I was like really. So worked all summer and in the summer test guests level I was on. Hard yes one. And the her faith in God. Face. I could read, and I still get angry when I read and I. I read like this had to go back and then I go this way. I guess words like I. Know How long believe is sometimes. It's a different anyway. The problem is nobody recognized that you were actually a comedian that was trying to be a regular person. Yeah, that's it was a normal person. That was the problem, is he? GonNa do I wish I? was there well, my my. I actually was very upset when I was like twelve years old I was voted class clown, but I wanted to be at that age. You want to be cool in liked by girls, you know. Hound clown to me was was bad. I realized that's how they saw me tiny. They changed it to best personality because they heard that I was upset about it. And then My mother proceeded to fill my room. Oh my God my room was filled and I was I didn't really have a voice back then. I didn't really for whatever reason. I just let my mother filming room with clowns. There was one painting of a Clown Reading The Wall Street Journal News crying like he had clown stock. Some clown had like stock gun. Very upset about what was happening in the stock market, I was so high couldn't remember Leeann Tweeden's name. But how I was I was thinking. But I know her she's Nice. She's a nice person. The account of a Robert Johnson's death is pretty crazy. Let's hear it I just lost it because looking at the devil legend, too, which is pretty interesting but He He went down, so he does recordings. He did were almost near the end of his life because there wasn't obviously lots of recording back back then. he had. It says he had traveled to a plantation to perform. At Dance, party. and. He was poisoned by someone who he was having an affair with the guy's wife. Oh My. That guy didn't know he had an ulcer. So you. It said he wasn't trying to kill. Him is trying to make him sick. The also made him really sick. He bled Oh then the back of his death certificate. I'll let you read this part because it's a pretty alike adds to it. A little bit says it was written on the back of the Department here. Is Paragraph in the middle. I can't see that well. Okay, says I talked with the White Man. Whose place this Negro died and I also talked with the room on the place. The plantation owners said the Negro man seemingly about twenty six years old came from Tunica two or three weeks before he died to play Banjo at a Negro dance given there on the plantation, Negro. He stayed in the House with some of the Negroes. She Jason he wanted to pick cotton. The white man did not have a doctor for this Negro, and he did not or he had. Had worked. She's me S. he had not worked for him. He was buried in a homemade coffin furnished by the county. The plantation owner said that was his option or that it was his his opinion that he died of syphilis. His sister then came got him out of the coffin, tried to have his death looked into, and no one really looked into it, and that's about the end of that, and so somebody might poisoned. This wasn't found out until thirty years later. Just disappeared. What? What death wasn't reported publicly, he disappeared from historical record, and whether until thirty years later, some people found his music, and they found the dug into his life on his death certificate found out all this information way after the fact. So this guy who everyone reveres one of the best musicians of all time. Wow, no formal autopsy was done. At the same time that's happening all real shit Al Jolson got white gloves on. Megan, although sweet cheese is it doing movies clapping. So talented. Demaj what white guilt was like back then it must have been suffocating I don't think there wasn't a nun. No one's who are aware it'd be like. Oh, my Gosh! Race socks were they to. That's an interesting thing. I've just for the record is wikipedia that could have been organized, and maybe not most truthful way, but right. That's how it was put place right. An album didn't know any of man. That's interesting. I didn't know he was young, too. Yeah, but it's kind of funny man that. This is weird that just a few years ago. Jimmy Kimmel Dini Karl Malone, did he do it personally APP, that is that was okay. Interesting how? About going back and cancelling well, it's hard. It's like the context of the time is different. With Alan was planned. Chris Rock I. Know you think it's offensive, but it wasn't universally considered offensive to pretend to be. Of a different race, it wasn't lurk automatically thought of as your trying to be racist. If you pretend you're doing, you're pretending. You're Chris. Rock if you can do Chris rock impression and you put makeup on your face. It makes you. We're GONNA. African American it wasn't. It wasn't necessarily racist because you were pretending to be an actual human being right? Used to be different like we thought of it differently now it's a universally thought across the board. If you're white person, you can't put black makeup on. Everyone agreed to that. Elevated Standard and we all agree to it right? Have you did it now? That would be. Different if you decided now like full rules, man how crazy! Yeah that's. That's really what's going on and back then it wasn't a problem. People thought it was funny. Oh my God. That's Jimmy found pretending to be Chris Rock You could. DO YOU PRETEND TO BE MR? T. When I was in high school when I was in high school, you could put makeup. have gold chains around your neck and you could pretend to. Do? A black face eighties tonight either I got lucky. But you're right like it wasn't thought of as you didn't think all. I'm doing something bad. No, you didn't. They thought that and it's like where does that? Where does that end? What what can you you not pretend to be like? Oh, as long as you look isn't intent. What's really important I? Totally I I absolutely think it is important I. Mean I I think. Intent is what's important. I should be when things become taboo and super-powered. The become very dangerous, just weird, because then people are so scared of saying it. They want to say more race. More powerful weapon. And we don't have to let go new ones you know. We've already lost certain words that we can never say again. In Jest, because they're so offensive, even uttering them is like an incantation for an ass kicking getting to call people to beat your yeah. I mean that's really what it's going to have that option, but. The real problem is intent intent words, or supposed to just be noise. You make that. Let other people know what you're thinking. That's all it's supposed to be and went. A word becomes like a super powerful word or deed becomes a super powerful deed like a thing like that. That doesn't really hurt anybody like black face. When you decide if you decided to be Mike, Tyson for Halloween, and you're an Italian guy and you know and you had a fucking fake tattoo. Put on my. Of! Champ people only think it's funny. You know if that's your intent especially, if you're an actual Mike Tyson Fan it's just weird that it's an. It's because of the origins. Is because Al Jolson Aljosa and Shitty moved. The the. Movies, I mean. How many black face people were there back? Then was it that big day was I know. There's an album cover with Judy garland black. He was in black face. No an album cover. Oh, my God. See, but like if there was none of that. If it was just right right if it never existed, if just black people did their music, and and they were just recognized as being musicians, and there was never a waco. Try to pretend he's black and do it and steal their thunder. If that never existed at all, it wouldn't be a problem, I don't think it would be a problem. I'm not sure it's for the record. It didn't start with Al Jolson. I was just the first time it was captured on film. So that's the. Only thing we have to look at Oh. Had Been Going on eighteen thirties. Oh My. Life. So, dude, while slavery was still legal why people were pretending to be black people on stage and sang and shitty songs. It's just like they're not even trying to look like black people, though which is weird, they've. They came up with a caricature cartoon. Yeah, that's all my God, w. m. h. West's Big Minstrel jubilee now me as a person, just as a human being I understand, the context of will be offensive about this, and where where we are today in twenty twenty and the progress for making and all that stuff. I gotTA. Tell you from me as a person. That is fascinating. I am fascinated by. This has just the evolution of a animal of human being of a culture where we're seeing the people from that day. What years is like? was from nineteen hundred I. Think Okay so nine, thousand nine hundred, so. And twenty years ago, the evolution of that version of a human being to our version of human being. We're very different from people that lived one hundred and twenty years ago and this is a great example of how different we are. When you see stuff from that time, it's like I understand how it's offensive to people I get it I understand it should be offensive it. It should be offensive. People were treated that way. It should be however just as someone who was like watching A. if you're watching, a bird exhibited really weird behavior. Long time ago, then it stopped doing it. He'd be freaked out like wow. What happened why they stopped doing this? How they? How did they evolve? How? How are they different from the way they were back then? If you got to, you could fuck and have a time machine and go back and watch a minstrel show alive minstrel show you and me. We could high as fuck. We time so high machine. Could you imagine sitting there watching that crazy nonsense like a white guy with like black paint over chasing the? Lips and he's got white gloves man hey. Man Hey singing these terrible songs. Yeah, it It's weird that those those things happen, but it's Dow would actually be a fascinating oculus rift game. Wait a minute. What yeah, if you could put a game like one of those oculus rift things? Put a helmet on, and it would just transport you back in time. Not just to this place, but like to Egypt. How about that? How about your in Ancient Egypt? And like two thousand BC with Cleopatra Yeah, actually she lived in like the eighties ten thousand day. She lives in the eighties, Cleopatra Victim, rather good example I went to those festivals. We call those renaissance. Grand. They're having this big here. He show and the guys on stage, and there's people dressed up watching and I wanted so bad to go up in my now close from backstage backstage. Big everybody I'm from future. And they'd have to continue to pretend. They're from the olden times and be like in the future. People Make Fun of you and they do these festivals, and they're bunch of nerds who act like you and they'd have to continue go. Where are you from the future sir? They couldn't break character anyway. I was too scared to do it. Do you think they'll have a millennial festival? They have a renaissance festival. Buddy. On, our phone being a Dick I. Activist look at all the Hashtags, yes? You know what I think. Some version of that will happen. Having Eighty eight parties now well. That's what I think about what's happening with us and this is. This is a good way to look at it. We're talking about these ripples and waves and ups and downs, and we're experiencing a big crazy shift. All that though I think. On, the other end comes out better. I think it comes out better for everybody I. Really Do I think all this horrible shit is happening to us right now as a culture. KNEES APP, and so we can. Be Nicer each other. It's totally great. Totally possible, it can one hundred percent be the outcome and I think it is going to be the outcome, because if you look at all these people that are peacefully marching versus the people that are looting and all the crazy shit. Yeah, the numbers are overwhelming. Most people are peacefully marching. I want people to my brother's a cop so I have You know I. I really feel defensive of him because he's just such a good cop and a good guy. And I feel I got. The news is just making things. They're going a little overboard with Bro they cancelled paw patrol. The understand this that's. Being police, that's how seriously at one of them's also a fire person. This they have different jobs. They cancelled paw patrol because of the COP part. That's borough canceled. The cancel. The show cops the most reality right? All reality shows. That's a good way to show you. WHAT COPS are most? Cops are doing most criminals we got to know about. The like we'd really the best confirmation that we ever got about Florida man came from cops. That account like all those accounts, twitter accounts and instagram accounts of show all the crazy shit that Florida guys do. All that most of it came from that. Yeah, I want to. It's also hard to even def- or sort of bring interest in the conversation cops and what they're dealing with. because. Yes, you're. You're not on the right side like I am for black. But also just want to introduce. There's so much coming at cops right now I. Mean they go up to? These cars? Terrified you go through. House. You know a lot of it is is bad train. They're not going to have training. They're really scared and they have a gun, and so when you start wrestling with someone who's got a gun suddenly, who knows who has the gun? It is a from that point on it, and they don't have a whole lot of physical requirements on how much they learned martial arts or Retention or any of that stuff up, and also now you can't you know you to control the head all the body and now you can't. Kenzo anymore and look in the guy who died Eric Garner. Gartner does the one in New York. Yeah, he actually, he didn't die from the chocolate I. Think a lot of people think he did. They were sitting on. They were like leaning on. Them couldn't breathe, but he was also giving choked, but no, not while none that was listen. That thing around the arm around the head. Yeah, no one stays there. They'll stay there. You have to hold them. You have to squeeze them when you squeeze me. Choke him. If I hold you like that I'm not I'm not putting you to sleep, but I'm slowly choking it. Yeah, if guy has a guy the way that cop at Eric Garner down I if I, remember correctly, who's using like a gable grip and rat? It wasn't a full nick. Nick renegade choke whereas choking sleep, but he was holding this across the neck. I would say anybody who doesn't think that that's a choke. Let me put it on you. Let me put on. You. Lie On the ground, and I'll grab your neck like that I'm telling you it's show I could be wrong I. Remember the video that he did the chip once he got on the ground. He left the He. The Guy Actually didn't die from we video. You're correct. I think Eric Garner died from a heart attack, but if they were leaner sitting. On it, but I'm just also crazy because it was for loose cigarettes, but my point is like if someone is holding your head like that, it's it's it choke. It just is you know it might not? It's not a full choke where you're going to sleep, but if someone has you in a position where they're on top of you, you're on your stomach. Okay, so all their weight is on you, which makes it very hard to breathe already. Rapid alarm. On the ground. Is left arm in. That one is not totally under the neck, so that one is see how that is. That is a choke. Look look at his hands. Sears Hands Grip together. Let me show you what I'm doing right here. We'll this see. This is one hundred percent joke one hundred percent. There's if no infants or buts about it. That's a fucking choke anybody who doesn't think that. Let me put it on you. That's a choke. That's under the neck. That's worse than I thought it was. That is a one hundred percent choke I could be wrong, but if you go forward in the video I. Don't think the choke that he's doing on him. And I understand what you're saying. But, if but his says he shouldn't have done at all man. That's the thing like if that is what caused him to die, and we don't know if that was or if it was the people on top of him, or is distressed, the event or a combination of all those things, but dot had to play a factor that choking that dude, and why over loose cigarettes? That's the most important part of that story. Look I'm not. Crazy and defense of this situation. I was just making the point that like sometimes. When if you take away from a cop, the ability to you? Know, they're not even going to. If someone. If you had a gun and someone is going after you have to assume they, they might kill you anything you can. In that situation, situation is not a good example. I was just making the point that the he actually didn't die from that that he died from there. They were like leaning on him and city. But we don't know that. Though here's the thing man the way he's on that guy's neck. That is big. Look at the guy was doing that. Go back to that real quick for. The Guy who's doing that choke has some big ASS fucking arms dude. He's got some big fucking str- look at that guy's arm. That's a strong mother. Fucker man, all those muscles around whereas elbows. That guy will choke the shit out of you shoulders. Steps. I am telling you. If that guy is trained in something, and it seems like is A. Strong as fuck. That is a rough thing to go through my friend. I'm telling you so I. Don't deny can't say if you're seeing that. You're definitely seeing you looking right at it. You can't say that's not what killed him. Because of that guys hold on. We don't know how I don't know how long this. Is Alive after this. Maybe he had a heart attack because of that. That's possible because this dude is on him like a pit bull. And for what loose cigarettes, fine crazies. It's the craziest story I. I WANNA make it clear I'm not pro this story. My point is I know you're not this. But we forget what things really looked like. I do it all the time. I need to look at it again. Oh, I didn't know it was like yeah. I have I just thought like. I just know if you're in a situation where. Was Off patrol thing I was gonna say does bring it back. That's a troll all. This motherfucker got me know what happened got me patrol was a troll will they weren't cast. They got me. You got me fucks, but here's the thing man. The cops was cops real. But in my eyes, there's something about comps. Mocking. These poor folks are getting arrested. Even the theme song bad boys bad boys. Good. Do what you do when they come for you. They made it funny. Funny to watch these cops pull over these bumbling rednecks. This fucking red plastic cops. They're beating each other up. Yes, great show. It was a crazy show. Thirty one years is probably the longest running show next to the simpsons right? The, this is not true. This is breaking news. Governor orders all citizens to wear face masks. All public places. Stuff, so well. How did we go backwards? I'll tell you how protests no one saying. Don't spread it. Don't worry whatever you do. Don't try to get your job back. You piece of Shit, you guys demonstrating. You're killing grandma, but protests yes. Difference, yeah, there's also like cops were these heroes. In parades, frontline workers and weekday or like urine asshole. Well, all it takes is one or two bad cops, and there's two in a row now. The guy in Atlanta Jamie was telling me the story that the guy knew that the Taser that the the gentleman stole from him and ran away from like pointing the Taser around them when they shot him, he knew the Taser didn't work. coury nudity been fired. They have apparently there's video which had not. I didn't see. They've only shown photos after they shot him they didn't do anything for like two minutes. Or some one of them tried to help the other ones like they stood on, or someone kicked them I heard they kicked on someone character. Dude. It's the best example for why we should have something other than the cops for drunk. People like someone who's like a nice guy was a counselor. Comes in talks to us it only one guy I fell asleep in his car at the drive through going to send Mike is going to be like. Hey, man, you are right. You're eventually makes probably. Maybe not maybe Mike says this man. We give you a ride home. We're going to park your car right here. We're all good. That's GONNA. Give me your keys. Come back in the morning when you sober. Here's my number. Call me got. Grab your pick you up to the car. Also us maybe take that away from cops so. Homeless dealing with homeless. Yeah, that's you're right. You're right right that that's a real different sort of crime. That's like a systemic poverty crime. There's something weird going on. If that many people are are homeless, like what kind of how fucked up is the balance of your your little community and seventy thousand people are homeless. Young like La has boulder, but homeless inside of it really close. Boulder's like one hundred thousand people. La's got more than seventy thousand and growing homeless people, so the entire population of Boulder, no house shove them in the L. A. and there under the freeways and stuff nickel ten cities I don't want. Those people have to live like that, but I don't want him to live there either. You know it's A. Two pronged thing it's like. How do you fix that I? Don't know how you fix it once it gets started. You know it's very difficult to give someone back their dignity and to do it. You'd almost need one on one individual attention with someone who is a counselor babysitter. Someone's GonNa Straighten the personnel clean up and get them to think better and get them to eat better and get them to drink water and stop shooting heroin into the Dick and get a job and. Should never any addict. That's to Harvey Weinstein that's hurt, so we a mushroom Pena's well things. I unfortunately googled that disease. And whole you don't WanNa you don't WanNa do it. I don't want to say what it's called, but it's the type of gangrene. That Diabetic men get if they get an infection there. 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Yeah, surprised that that didn't slow him down from his sexual assault. Boy. No I don't know to me I'm not even a zone. I'm looking at meatballs and sausage. That's. What's that tongue. Exactly. Do this. Fully Rotten asshole like their got rotted out from the top of his. Dick to his asshole God. I S scare I don't have announced today, but this is what happened. I woke up and the area right above my most precious area was little puffy. I called the doctor lady goes. What do you WanNa? See the doctor for. I don't know what to say, but I was. This came out I. Go. I have a A puffy pubic area. And she goes ooh. Reception doctors, their job is to make you feel like Oh. That's fine big area. We get time. That's so fun picked up. Probably people come on. So I like Oh. This is something she's never heard of now meeting. So I go in there, and it's a little waiting room, and I go up to the desk and I will kyle Dunnigan hoping she'll see the chart and go okay. Sit Down, Guy and she goes. What are you here to the doctor for again and I'm like. I have a puppy. Puppy pubic area, and she goes Oh. You talked to her. Talking they were. Laughing and talking on. Her, A, we know that story. Yeah, we were laughing all morning about that story. puffy pubic area and everybody is hot, which minorities and those nurse came out and she's like Kylian and then she's walking me down the hallway and she goes what you here to see the doctor for now that just anybody fucking communicate. This sounds like a great porno. All the girls are hot. And she just tell to see. This is going to sound crazy. But it's because to get. A quiet and I'm trying to not come I. Mean Yes, Challenge for thirty day I wanNA respect, and that's what it is. You're come backed up. Yeah, see Diane in here so it's a work its way into your lower gut. The shells gotTA. Work your ball get out of there. You have like a leaky come container like you're. You're dispenser. It's like it's just. 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Good hate them, yes! You do Italian to. Take. Away. I don't think you'll ever not be able to pick on a time. So what is it Louis? These fourteen his cousin, so they they had syphilis, fucking hair's falling out in giant clumps of teeth or fall another head, like when people had syphilis just rotted apart, and the when they're Harris out, they just got crazy wing, and the more money you had, the bigger the Wigan can get so the really big wigs. All these other people got syphilis to and then wigs became like a fashion anyway I back. Then people just fucked everybody everybody just fucked everybody. Do well. No it. Was Rampant. Right this all these stories of like hundreds and hundreds of years ago where pedophilia and man boy love like it was normal. Yeah guys had little boyfriends like famous philosopher. I had like a little boy. Yeah like just imagine that shift in culture. No, that was a good thing. For sure, but the Catholic Church disagrees, yeah. That's a whole. Bag attacks on the powder. They used on the hair to cover up. The smell is what stopped it. Felt like the fat of the tax on the powder. The powder became too expensive the smelly powder. Everybody's smelled like perfume. Stinky Pussy has hair was like a foot, and they said perfume over the foot, stinky rotten fucking marathoners foot you're. You're. BETTER OFF BEING A. Dairy four person. But. I would rather be someone who just got a studio apartment. WHO MAKES FORTY GRAND? Whatever then be king back then would be king if imagine if you could just tell these people if you're in like ancient Europe, you're like I'm gonNA. Show you how I live, got the our. He turned it on now. I'M GONNA WATCH TV although they're pumping. His fucking wig with powder has really leaning. So these dudes would all lose not just their hair, but their teeth would fall. That will get holes in their face, and there's all these pictures Oh. There's Lindsey terrorists. Clip talking about we can show our own clip. See that image that head. That guy's head was falling apart like that because of syphilis, he was literally his skin was rotting apart. That's how. Apparently alcohol died as well Oh really. Yup. Wigs became fashionable. Right because everyone in a wig wigs became fashionable. Lahser knows that's so crazy looking. That is so crazy looking. Just a big hole where your nose used to be, but people have holes in their cheeks and shit. Each they would die. It's terrible man I. Wish I similarly. Off Jamie shot it off me school. Yeah, I mean it would rot right through you. It's really spooky stuff. We got rid of anybody who doesn't yeah. Anybody like vaccines settled. Along Yeah. Yeah Man, I've had this gentleman Dr Peter Hotels. He's A. A vaccine advocates doctor is an expert in tropical diseases on the PODCAST, talking about covert and stuff like that and you know he gets very angry and people spout MS truths about vaccines like you have to look at the good and the bad like you have to be real honest about what happens with any any kind of medication. But with Vaccines Mike God. We've fixed so many fucking problems. Your kids don't have to worry about polio anymore. You don't have to worry about smallpox anymore. Smallpox killed everybody. There was so much shit. There was just killing people until they figured out vaccines. It just people who aren't aware that history or they don't really. They don't really sink in there fucking there rightfully distrustful of a corrupt government. That's why so the hear about vaccines like it's fucking Bill Gates trying to put a microchip in me. Is that idea about Bill Gates? I mean that? He's spent so much of his money. Happen helping people. Bill Gates became a bad guy. He spent so much of his money. Is Bill you fuck. I mean. Would you do that? You got sixty billion. You give fifty billion. I think it's good. Even if he gives us kids money, it's good. He's telling he's not telling them that. He's giving them A. Fifty billion I'M GONNA. Live like I'm Jay Z video. I'm just going to get a giant yacht and I'm going to have gold underwear. Have a bottle dominant Chan. Big Pinpoint. You're waiting for fifty billion. Yeah, that's the number. Good know because you have to have goods land. You have to have a lot of things planned out these these fucking crooks out there not playing. Is that the number fifty billion when you can relax I don't know what number is when you get relaxed, but at that number I'd say yes. I think, but even then those fucking dudes always feel like they need more. That's. When all those other dudes there you are got yachts. JC GONNA fucking ship. Forgot that there was someone around with dump, come on man. This is what I'm talking about. That would be me. Didn't just dancing all day, but here's the thing man the real thing. This is appealing because you can't have it. The only time that feels good is when you do other shit. That's hard. If you're just doing that every day I swear to God you won't be happy. Sounds fucked up, but you've got to trust me. Human beings need puzzles. We need to solve things. We need games to win. We need things to do. We need books to right. We need things to accomplish. Accomplish? We need goals that we set. We got to achieve them. If you don't do that, you're not going to be happy and it's a big problem with people today, and if every day was like pimping, you would get bored big pins for the weekends. When you bust your ass Monday through Friday fucking put the pedal to the metal by and then you know. mean. You rich kids that are disasters. It's really not a terrible I even I think he'd be really sad. Just given a huge house would be sitting in this big house by yourself. You don't WanNa utilize man not if you're. One Dude particularly. If you're Batman living in one giant castle where yourself this Batman come on man, you can't be yourself. Yeah He. He hangs out with Robin. Thinking you know Robin or cool. He's like I might have to keep rescuing this fucking guy. Never pulled his fucking Rahman. Do you wear the Bat man movie with the with Alicia Silverstone that was made. Of the ever that into Robin called I auditioned for that movie. Oh this gentleman. WHO'S ON THAT LL? Cool, J. COP show. I don't know that right. NIGGER isn't out. Yeah but I freeze. You Guy Right Right, right? That guy was robin. Robin. Donna Chris. And he's on that COP show with L. O.. Cool J. I missed one day. Going back to Cali is a complete list. Hey, I'm working out. I like that song keeney small tales tall. She said she'd likes the Ocean CH-. It's A. Man. This great workouts I play rocky music so how you're hardcore. Trumpet for me. It's a lot of trumpets to to needy I gave really pumped up on trumpet. Yeah, well, if you were running and rocky came on, yeah, I would see it though, but like in the regular world. You don't WanNa. Listen to it. We talked about it for God like I. I think we're talking about something. And, then we got onto our workout music and I'm fucking. Something important yeah. Really Possible. I'm so glad to do this podcast with you. I've been having all these years. I can't. Yesterday was my friend. Brett Weinstein he's. An evolutionary biologist and one of the smartest fucking people over Matt so goes from him to this goofy. Awesome. That's what I feel. Like P- bad people listening. Here's so many smart people and. You want funny. People turned them in idiot, but I'm definitely. and. And also been smoking which? I. Don't approve of this. People like fun. We have. Americans got damage. That's right and I bought a surfboard came today. You're going surfing. I serve now. You should get a lesson. Don't die! You can't really want you to survive you can't. Turn. You've never surfed. You're right. You're right, but I do know people who've told me. They almost died surfing. How did they die? Sir Hit with the fucking wave and brought under, and they didn't think they were going to get back up did I come on man? I'd knock off a surfboard. Thing I ever heard talk about with. The Ocean was not just that this guy died. In, San Diego was all training for a triathlon and he got bitten happy shark. In front of everybody, so they're only full on half a long great white just takes him and fucking rips in half in front of everybody, and you're awake, and you're in the water, and you are hundreds of yards from the shore, and the guy next to you just exploded with a sea monster, just jumped out and ripped him in half, and you know blood fuel shark frenzies. Yeah, you go real slow. You can't really swim fast and your fastest. You're fucked trying to maintain a certain pace because you don't WanNa. RUN OUT OF GAS, right? You don't be in your last iota. Splash around either. Done. Well. My friend Peter Ti. He swam those waters shortly afterwards, preparing for some crazy Hawaiian swim. We swam from like Maui to the Big Island was lose the distance. He swam something really insane. He swam from Maui to the big island. And I think he might have swam to learn is well like all true it all in one day, so he's in the shark-infested waters is tiger sharks. The Hawaii and the real aggressive he's that's where he's GonNa go swim after training for swimming right where the guy got bit in half by a shark like a week ago. Why would he do that? Can you know man? I Dunno different. Anyway, people are different. She come surfing when they did. I used to get sharks hundred percent. Yeah, because you are potential prey when you get. Pussy I'm not I'm not into getting eaten by a shark. I think you have many options for survival, if one tries to get you and I know. Speed and Fast I'm very quick, especially underwater. I think a seal's going to sell you out. Push you towards the shark. That's what I'm worried about. Surf with seal just tidiest. Water. I yeah, it'll be like. Oh, he loves seals land. This is. Really the seals just. Boom and catch you TMZ catches you. Kick in into the water, TMZ. The shark snatches addicted to. Get you. The. Get me in L. Paparazzi and they talked to the Tim's most of the TMZ guys. A lot of them were comics, so you'd run into him at the airport and they're usually pretty cool. Yeah, good guys. They're just doing a job. You know it's just a weird look. It's weird to not be famous and to see famous people and go. What kind of film? Have a great life sort of their. If in seems like. The people in all, honestly they. They've always been pretty respectful. She'd tell them. You know I'm too exhausted. I can't answer. This complicated question I've tried just flew all night. Yeah, yeah, because that's what a lot of it is right. If you fucking coming out of an airport and your high edibles, which I usually am course that's on fly, and I have a starbucks in my hand and I'm listening to Jimi. Hendrix and some dude. Ask Me you know. What do you think about black lives matters? I'm like WHOA. This is a loaded question. Right here. Or anything any any important issue where you could be like you know what what do you think about it? Biden your trump like what kind of answering my gonNA. Give you high as fuck. Hold onto a starbucks. It is worse. To be. Especially, if you don't expect when you're flying, you gotta just. The fact you're flying right? He just sit there and you just sit there. You listen to music, or you'll get a move on your laptop. You basically just sitting there shelling your except where you are, and then you get off. You get your. Coffee Star walking then. There's the question about life like I'm not thinking about life. I'm just chilling I'm trying to not think this is my think time. This is not like. I'm going to do a podcast, let me Wake up and get ready to or about to stand up. Let me wrap my brain up now. This is getting off the plane. The worst answers ever I don't know the fuck. I'm saying and I think people go to a little bit because you. Because your podcasts to go to for answers, they ll ask you know Kendall Jenner something different than they're gonna ask you. Got It for answers. Trust me I'm a guy that can point you to people that might've answers, but I'm. I'm not the answer you got a lot. You got a wide range of knowledge though. Doesn't glued together right? It's scattered. It's basically inoperable. It's great for bringing things up on a podcast. It's not great for like real world applications. Yeah, just have weird facts. About, the comanche stored in my head. Of Science things which is. Completely useless, but it's not. It's the whole reason why we're here. I don't know why people. Science as I should be, it is a it's amazing that we make actual discoveries that I think are even more magical than religion. Some of the religion stories and people don't there must like scientists are. Elite nerds or something? They're not cool. People I think without science. You would just be in the woods pooping in a whole new a week. Well I think two things going on simultaneously with the biological needs. Okay and biological needs mean that like men are still in some way rewarded for being like big strong physical specimens like a big football player, some elite athlete. Biologically a woman's body will tell her like that is Amanda Breed. With I'm going to make strong offspring. There's no if ands or buts about it. It is what it is I know. You're right. Yeah, so because of that these guys have the resources and the bandwith to create all the things. They create dumb guys who get a Lotta Pussy ain't vent and shit. I'll tell you thinking that way. There's an APP that that makes me handsome and I'll be zooming in record and stuff like Kurt Yeah, and I'll tell you I relax. Me and just because my jaws slightly bigger, you know and I just I get a whole new personnel. I realized I developed this. Personality because the face I just was given, but on the other hand one of the reasons why you're so funny is the perspective of life that you have coming from someone who's not totally happy with your appearance. No, I was just a very. Tiny did not go up and my sister wanted assistance when I was born I was constantly dressed up in makeup as a girl and she'd call Me Kyle, Lena and I deliver. I girl with I I was my whole life I've had women just like. Like on on May just tell me what to do and I ended up Blake. My I took tap jazz with my mother. I don't WanNa do that Oh my God i. when I went to get the tab shoes and the guy was like one day, we'll see you on Broadway Amer thinking like I. Don't want to. I think they kinda raised me to be A. A A woman. This sounds like the beginning of a biography of a serial killer. Yes. It sounds like. The haven't tortured by your mom. You really You wanted to play baseball. Go fishing. She's like. Raise a gay man. If it's the last to me I remember my parents found like nude MAG. There weren't even knew that women in underwear under my bed. My Dad was like like a little relief now that he was ever against gay, but he was like. Gay. Did. Want me to have a life. Probably Right. I mean look. I'm built like. Not a tough man I'm not built like. I'm proud to be one of your softest friends. But, then you. Prison workout the and now I'm going to be huge by Nicole that'll be doing. Together and Shit I got bricks Rodman duct, tape, guerrilla duct tape. Really and you lift bricks. I'm getting. I'll be huge by the end of this really could do that. It's actually. It's getting all the muscles. I read a story once or this guy was talking about how to become a powerlifter. He was explaining to people what to do to become powerlifter and one of piece of advice he was. Giving is get a manual labor, job. Yeah literally saying you WanNa get really strong. You WanNa lift night after work, but you WanNa work all day like picking up bricks and shit like this guy who like his strategy for being stronger powerlifter was get a job carrying rocks all day. Yeah I've Doug all these. Feick is plans for my front yard like thirteen of them, and they're like you want us to help you dig a home. I got it. I swear the dirt was so hard. It took me about three hours per hole and I just did it because I was like this great exercise exercise and Holy Crap doctor Dr Mark. Gordon He, does it? He's been on this podcast before. He actually does that for exercise. He'll go out and backyard. Just dig a hole digging. A hole gets pretty much everything and I go. What are you doing with? The whole goes noth-, fill it in just digging home doing it for actual insane. Project. Though, at least he's a bright man. He realizes that first of all when you think about digging a hole. Honestly as someone. I mean I'M NOT A. Kinesiology but I understand Ludo at exercise. When! You're a smart word for knows exercise. When you hold onto a pole and you fucking shove it into the ground with your leg and you re. Yeah, that's that's a workout man. Yeah, that's. What I and it's a workout to work. Everything works your whole body. As long as you keep switching legs and switch the way you pull the thing you're gonNA. Use both sides of your back. You don't this way you hit yourself in the face. This shit and this shit, and depending upon obviously the size of the handle of the the shovel, but you can get a real workout shovel man just fucking shoveling things ground stomping on it. All is, and then chuck in it. I mean it's all shoulders and neck, and back I want this to feel some satisfaction that like I put in. Some FI is trees. I got some nice curb appeal. Yeah, he's out there. Digging Holes and I. Don I understand they need come to someone significant? Do charity work where people need holes. Tells go to do. Well his yard man who wants a Nice Green Lawn, so he could stare at it. Look you. Look good. So. Bank Of My visual pleasure, I'll tell you what I did. I got some some quotes on turf fake grass so this by that he stuff they. Had that the whole side yard was all turn beautiful house, the good turf, or was it really good turf? Well not only can tell because they told you once you got on it. You could tell, but it's still beautiful, but I don't like it because I want. I mean I'd rather have a bunch of patches of dirt and some grass, and I'm the fucking earth there. I don't want a plastic to pay. That pretends to be. I could see that the fuck out of here plastic to pay. That pretends to be plant. I want grass if you of my on my lawn. is All your lawn bro Dude. Don't talk about along with that. Of Okay? Yeah, there's I mean. Would you want to do your lawn? The fake grass I'm I'm getting a quote. It's a good price. I'm going to do it because I tried to grass and it's been a nightmare. I can't get these weeds to get OUTTA. My face the opposing what one due to my, but in my neighborhood is fake grass I swear to God when I take. My dog is a nice fellow. I'm sure no against. It just got a house of fake grass in the front. My Dog pisses on every time dog. Is this. He steps in it and like et. Feeding Fuck is this and this isn't even grass. He pisses on every time he walks by. Actually get the dog crap out of it, and you can't get the dog. Crap stays forever, and then it becomes a new thing. I hate it was new. New Bacteria leaps hosts. I'll be patient zero for the next CODA. Cova Twenty I. Mean I'm sure they make it where you can't tell but you? It's not. Nothing's grown through that man you're covering. Picture of my my lawn and I. Think you you'd feel different. That's a disaster. I don't give a fuck. Care About Milan. No really put some time into it or don't. I don't cover it with some plastic. Put so much time. Just I just want to be I may put just I. Don't know what to do. Who Cares Anyway listen? Isn't it strange though that like a garden is so much more pleasant than just plants. The on your own like a garden is like I. Put this into the ground. gave it life. Look at my tomato plants. Yeah. That's cool. Have you ever had salad from your own yard. Now, it's weirdly satisfying man. Weird is weirdly satisfying. Peta, orange from a tray, so that's great, too. Yeah, an orange from your own tree. That's awesome. Neighbors, but there's something about like. If you can grow the Latte escrow, the tomatoes grow some bell, peppers and onions. All that stuff makes together a little little amock. vinaigrette grow the carrots. Chop them. Put them in a salad. Then you're eating that. Sally Holy Shit I grew. This thing here's a crazy thought I. Think baby carrots were baby cares what are they? They're carrots. They made small. This is really little the. Got Actual carrots and they shaved them small. Oh, there's no baby cats. I. I maybe trolled. That's the people that are assholes. Who Telling you baby carrot? It's an old GRANDPA Kerr. I'm wondering these shaved down grandpa carrot. Man I, it's hard for me to put on weight I. Go all gut this way. My my whole family's giant barrels, and then twig legs like and then they come waltzing. It looks disgusting, constantly fighting it and I. You know my neck is a quick story, okay. I woke up one day. Here's a dream I was having A. TURNING OUT BED Count. I'm turning the top of a of a cocaine. The top off. Okay ranch can't get it off six foot. Can I wake up my foot can of coke bottle of coke. It's a dream Oh. Hey, wake! They're still expensive really. Lot of color so I wake up with my hands wrapped around my head I was twisting my own head. This. Doctor feeling like a idiot. They x rayed my my neck. You now put on the wall and this doctor was rubbing his chin looking at my neck. You don't want a doctor confused. Look at your skeletal. Super Confident right and everything looks normal right and he goes. Jonathan calls another guy in, and now they're both just like looking at my neck, and I'm thinking. I'm dying right if you're a doctor and some guy comes in, and he's a patient. And you say well just got give you a little x-ray and check to see what's going on in x Ray Raham. and. He's got weird bones. He's not supposed to have. Entire spinal structures totally different. Everything's different whole different. The doctor looks at goes what what's going on here and he goes. Shut the fuck up. This is another good porn because he's from another planet, the Yes infiltrating and the nurses come in and blow them. They'll stick. This piece in the galaxy again I love it. So he looks at. Jack Women Show. The Lumber Jill. This is has been a podcast of great porn. Some of the scribbling some porn writers soon a lot of spray. Hope so it was funny I T I Texted Tom so girl die. texting did I put it online. I think I'm going to tweeted. Anybody made Kovic porn yet. Tom Cigarette immediately immediately text me a photo of this lady with the fucking covert Bask on guys grabbed her ass. I'm like this is crazy, so then he says we will link. Cove porn like two days after lockdown. They've already gets up. What are how many views here is millions of views now billions? Everyone's jerked out. Yeah, yes, to get on that. Imagine that's the. That's the as to the thrill yeah. Mike Fire fucking during a pandemic it is Kinda hot and we've been covering up anything. They covered up. Even these these cover ankles like magazine. That was ankles. It's like. Risky to show your ankle head or your now. They're covering their mouths. There's have a lot of power, but again it's the change of culture like we're talking about. This is imagine. Living in a time just a few hundred years ago, women had to cover their ankles. Your. You have a blouse that goes. Lower crazy, but people were so animalistic I bet. Men were so out of Control and disgusting, but you kind of had to obscure the shape of your body, or they were just trying to rape. You man I met hundreds of years ago was like most guys raped. That's what I think. Yeah I bet if you go back four thousand years ago I, I. Think rape is like insanely common, insanely common, yeah! Like We're gonNA talk about Genghis Khan and his his. DNA's in like something like five. Asian people, the the PERV men rape DNA gets spread. Yeah, exactly as in all all of us thought the balance is the scientists. Don't get pussy, still don't get distracted, and so they figure things out that those big gigantic football player dudes that are just fucking storm style is like like a fucking sandstorms throwing dick all over the place. Those guys who invent anything. No, it's like you almost. Need to have no distractions and the best way to have no distractions is known WANNA fuck you. We'll be right back. I mean nobody wants to say this right. But when you think of like weird sort of anti-social behaviour, people people getting locked into an online world, people getting disconnected from human beings. All of this is. Not a good trend. That's happening more. Than ever, and then with covert, it's gets ramped up even more because you have to do it that way, yeah! I, feel like I went. Full Circle on the being stuck alone and now I I was lonely for a little while and I'm fine I. Don't know if maybe I'm a psychopath about their. Read about that door psychopathic. Yeah, surfing, that's. Insane idea. Zooming serving looks like it's so fun. It's even being terrible at. It is so fun. So Fun. I. Finish my next. STORY HIGH WE'RE SUPER. Folks sorry facility to I went off an alien autopsies. So, it's not a great story. It just I'm if someone's listening to what happened to your neck. The Doctor Turns Amigos 'cause. I was like what what is it my dying and he goes. You have the neck of seven foot man. That's the end of that story, so you have a very long neck, yeah? Why I brought this I'll never know and it talking about my weird body. Don't now you're looking at my neck. It's normal I'm hunching. I got one hundred. Yeah, you. Progress. Because a handsome APP also makes my shoulders big and stuff is cool. Crisper was just used to successfully treat some disease. Know what I bought Crisper I don't have any stocks, but I spur and Tesla. Jamie. said he bought it. I was like okay. Stock Grow. Rice crispy. That's a lot of money. How much you have! Crisper tax you found. Fuck Bro. But. Here in salt with inherited diseases successfully treated with crisper. So! This is What, what the Real Fascinating thing about crispus is that they're going to be able to cure diseases through it and here it is to people with a baby boy. Say That Word Beta Tho-. Thea thalassaemia and one was sickle cell disease, no longer require blood transfusions, which are normally used to retreat to treat severe forms of these inherited diseases after their bone marrow stem cells were gene edited with Crisper so they do. They fucking edited their bone marrow stem cells. That's where we're going Holy Shit. The preliminary results demonstrate in essence of functional cure for patients with Beta foul, seem lia and sickle cell anemia. A functional cure, so they figured out a fucking cure for sickle cell man. Yeah I think this is Larry. I think you're GONNA go to your doctor with your genes, yes. I think what we're looking now is the tip of the you know the tip of the iceberg, the beginning steps of this kind of technology. They're going to be able to edit people. They're going to be able to make you the rock. You'RE GONNA. Look like the Rodney Shrink my neck. They're going to shrink your body matching the seven feet tall. Yeah, so you have to be the rock. A rock years ago is at my gym goals. We're two thousand and one like. Rock before he's got a stack a hamburger spike twelve hamburgers. You said he's enormous. Realize how enormous it is until you see him in in real life like Oh criminal, yeah! But in the future like that's an anomaly to be that big as big he is and handsome and so charismatic. All those things are nominee for them all to be together, but what if you could just edit someone's jeans and tournament to specimen like the Rock? Be Real Weird man. Edit. Come out. I think they're going to be. How you are looking at that Jesus son. I've got a fucking flag in the ground. biller brick house determined covered with real sweat that he earned you. Pansy as Fox, that's the greatest American? That's ever lived. I mean I think it might be tough to go to edit. wrote my phone. Your Jal Line or snow, and it just inject you some fucking. Architectural of the whole thing they have mapped out. Map Out your frame and then you just shake like. Do you remember that movie with Goddamn it when I remember what it is, Vietnam Movie Real trippy movie with? The the guy that was in Shawshank redemption. What was his name o? Oh crap the white, guy. Tim Robbins Tim Robbins Okay Tim Robbins was in Vietnam movie. where? They gave the plotter Jacob's ladder. That's right. The the the the idea. Was that the whole movie I. Don't want spoiler. It was kind of like LSD or some psychedelic induced dream, the government game a psychedelic and gave him this crazy induced fucked up dream But you that's how you go, so they would put you. In some fucking cocoon and you shake. LSD People Jacob's ladder. And then boom. You come out to rock. That's what's going to happen. There's going to be no exception. People is going to be no people that are any different. Everyone is going to be perfect. But then it's going to be like that video every day to do I was going to go. Don't believe that's going to happen. It's going to happen. We're GONNA. Fuck it up. We're GONNA fuck it up like we fucked up the environment and the ocean and here. We fucked up everything like we fucked up everything we've ever done. We're GONNA. Fuck it up because we fuck up everything we fuck up everything. Everything, and then we figured out what we fucked up, and then we try to fuck it right. I'll tell you this is. What's next Jacob's ladder? Nineteen Ninety and this we will for sure fuck out because the with the Tesla car and they're. They're solving vision now. They're going to be able to put this in robot so little will walk around your house like make your sandwich and when you get A. A robot, girlfriend or boyfriend that can make you lab is is has all this information. Does things for you all this? She's Nice what what is going to? And then when you wanna be alone, she goes into the closet and turns off. What is going to do with relationships well, it depends if you're a bitch or not. It's basically the same as we're talking about you. You can't live in Jay z movie forever. You can't have the fucking hot made. It just sucks Dick Anytime. You want a relationship with an actual human being when that wait a minute I'm talking more fun than the robot fucked all lady. But leader role robot, fuck lady to be kind of a bitch sometime. They you can program to the. Different wouldn't be real. You wouldn't be her decision you. You want human. It's you're always going to be annoyed with something. That's not a human. It's going be too easy. It's like playing a game of quake with God. Mode on. We can't be killing and just running over everything you get bored. Part of the fun as you can get shot in the head, but it's like chess game chess app you go to the higher level you. It's not real though you know it's not real until you don't and then when you don't, it becomes effective again, but while you know it's not real, you never gonNA. Accept it well. You know this robot lady. Just Suck Your Dick. Like suck my Dick Robot Lady. You can't even get hard. Suck your own car. Spicy with you. Don't want that man. It seems like you want that because you can't have you know what that is your. Beautiful Woman Who's like wearing lingerie. Who just does whatever you want and it's like your person. Do you want you can program to be exactly like? A regular person's a full. Person could be from the southland blonde hair. Look, you're in a good relationship, but. Guys can't get laid dot is. I think we need to remove part of their brain, so they believe that robots real. I'm not against that. Actually end. The robots programmed to make them a better person. We're robot programmed to be almost a great woman in your life is inspires you to be a better. This is what's going to happen. Yes, we do that, but they have to be morons. The morons or the robots have to be way better than they are right now. They have to be like the the simulation has to be better than actual reality, so the you initially submit to it I disagree. Tax Plan. They talk you into like listen. What eventually this going to work out and your benefit for right now you've got to submit to leaving all of your consciousness in this alternative recreated dimension. Don't worry. Your physical body will be safe and fine. We're just. We're going to offer you a five minute travel. Here's the pros you never have to worry about your bills again. Everything is paid for, and you live like a Rockstar for the rest of your life, and you stay alive the same amount of time. So what are you doing? Do you really WanNa just in struggle and get beat up by the COPS and fucking lose your job because of corporate. Downsizing they don't give a fuck. How much money you put fucking company! Would you like? Would you want to do it? The hard way or do you want to stay alive the same amount of time, but we just connect you to a machine and the memories in life that we give you far more exciting. It's amazing. You're a superhero. You're the king of the world. You're on top of everything you live like your doctor Manhattan, but it's not binary like that. You can have something a little in between maybe not maybe once they hit the switch. They say let's just try it. Just try, and then he can give you a free weekend. Give you a free weekend hundred percent. of every weekend and everybody gets it everybody at the first. Free and Mike were legwork. Mill he doesn't anymore. He wants to be doctor. Manhattan wants to be one of the watchman. to He wants to be on Mars just jerk off. That's what he wants to do. Without popular that one would be. Picked, the Mars jerk off package. Do you think we're in a simulation? Are you want by way too stupid to know, but smart people do? Does again go back to Ellen. He thinks we're in a simulation. Okay, so he's smarter than both easy. He's I should say this way I. DON'T WANNA put words in mouth. He's very open to entertaining the idea that we're in a simulation and that it's very possible that we're in a simulation. Yes, it's a factor of what actual life is. That's what I think. What do you mean I think what what we're thinking of us? Being in a simulation I think maybe. Maybe we need to look at it even bigger like maybe that's a factor of what life is that life always. Has This weird fucked up? Theatrical quality always feels fake and its influence a certain amount by the way we think not just it's not just physical thing just like when people are. Matt feels terrible I'll give you said something that work to a guy and you regret it and you gotta go go the next day and seeing you gotta run into the. Bad We feel bad. I feel bad. People feel bad when they have bad interactions other. We're not just like we're not just. We're definitely not. Individuals that are disconnected from everyone around them. If people around, you have bad feelings, you feel bad. There's no getting around that so this shit going on with people, its way deeper than just just like words and looking at each other like energy that's being transferred back and forth between people. It just hasn't been defined yet. Well. I'm definitely a little high. I was really hard for me to follow. But also. They found recently. We are pixels. The smallest the the plank length. It's called. A triangle, so you literally could make this. You actually don't touch the you know that to. You know you never actually touch Adams don't touch. I mean that's another there's there's some things that are disturbing, but if someone touches you thought you will, you could say no one ever anybody. It's just like no one ever touches. Well. Defined the touch you never actually whatever beats anybody up. You can't touch each other no assault Israel. Will now little car accidents because no one ever touches anybody I'm still you'll care about my lawn, but listen. Plastic the point is they're going to make robots, robots and I don't know who which sex is a good question for you to answer, which sex will be more mad, they the females got these guys these sex. These robots that are. They're not dating anymore because they love this or women or men me mad because women are totally satisfied, guy. That's like what happened at work what? All all the would, if all the robots that the women chose or seven foot Jamaican dudes with dreadlocks. That's what they wanted. And that was the most popular robot fucked dolls for ladies. They're called opposite Kyle. Just, giant Super Athlete, big FELLAS with dreadlocks. Yeah those would sell. I mean why guys would be so mad. Everybody would be mad. I mean a lot of would be upset. You think about how many old people are are sad and lonely. Their wife died. Their husband died, and then you can give them this Viking Dick John. Dish huge blind lamb with scars on his face car is shoulders of dried blood splattered on them, and he listed real fucks your grandmother. He listens good to her kids so hard looking at it too, and he wants to know about our stories. Oh, he gets so hard when she crocheted. It's hard as a rock. Imagine. You got your grandmother of fucking Viking robot doll with a gift. He shows up with Wolf. Skins around his shoulders. Shit your grandma here. Yes. Yes. She's right this way. Just dragging a fucking acts with them as he walks in the house I don't think we're twenty years away from this, not I think that's ridiculous. Ridiculous, because here's the thing man. If you think about what what makes someone attracted to someone right. If you say okay well, a guy would be attracted to a woman who was a great personality and she's fun to be around. She's got a pretty face and a nice body. But that's some evolutionary code. The same reason why a woman is attracted to a big giant strong man like that's good genes like there's some evolutionary code would if they got in there with the crisper and just fucking monkey wrench that Shit and you only sexually attracted to dine, people like that's it like they can send you to a cancer ward, and you just go on fuck fast. Yeah, that's your thing and. Run these dudes that live in this cancer war dying, you know, but if some hot robot lady that they program. Or the some person this program. Thing to that person thing they'll. You'd ruin that person's life, but a robot robot be yeah, but. The lift the robot so good, really indistinguishable from a person. Then when is a robot have rights? We gotta get on this robot. It's free lick man. We can't make that mistake. You know human beings. We've already decided that. Other humans that aren't like us are are not equal to us. What if we eventually invent a fucking row by that has all the characteristics of US including, it feels pain and has emotions. We decided that it's not. Oh my God, have we not learned from all of the years of Harz that we've inflicted upon our fellow man. We're going to do this to these sentient robot, so we gotta try to make them. We're not going to stop. Go to the scene in X., and when that lady just leaves when she house copter leads with he's. opened the door. He knows he's going to suffocate in there. Yeah, he's pounded on that big thick plexiglass. You know he's never getting out and she just no emotion walks through the helicopter. What if this is a simulation an hour? This has happened over and over. Our job is to create the machines that then that our purpose we find out is to create the machines. That makes sense and this just happens over and over these little. Kid Little Smart, and then they make us again, and then we make another universe. I had a joke that I did a long time ago about the Big Bang theory. That like. What if the Big Bang? Theory is just like what people figure out like. They get to a point where someone in takes like fourteen billion years. They get to the point. Where some thing can event a button you press up on. Time. And then they're all sitting around staring at it and one dude with like. He's autism and he's on Red Bull, and no one's ever touched his kidneys. fucking I'll press bone-dry. He presses that button. Bang the whole universe explode, and then contracts than starts all over again, and it's a big bang and every fourteen plus billion years. We figure out how to make a big bang. And then maybe we've. Think about what we're doing what we used to be able to do thinking about when I was talking about the command cheese and that crystal there was a big deal and eighteen forty. Someone figured out how to make a revolver. That ain't shit now. Yeah, you keep going what way way way way way into the future. Why is a Big Bang Button preposterous? I don't think it is now an en- make. We're clearly missing so much information like the big. Bang right look. I do way more information. How small. Right the whole universe was smaller than the head of a pin in the gut, and I got a ride a lot, but it just doesn't seem. It seems like there's a huge piece I put that story right up there with Elisha and the two bears. Story Yeah. Who the fuck knows what happened? But we know that she bears. Two Boys. We got some. We got some data. At least the she bear's got zero. We have. Yeah, we have this sound. It's coming from fourteen billion years ago. Whatever it is thirteen point nine billion years ago. We're. Missing gravity is weird towards that. Go well, not just that like what about dark matter like explain that to me dark matter and dark energy split it. They don't really know what it does. They know the impact it has. That's what they call it dark matter because they're dark. Well, Fun Interviewing my dad on tonight's episode triggered. We covered many topics, but there was only one thing I really want to know are aliens real. Fair question home. Scroll. Aliens because this is the only thing I really want to know. What's going on? Would you ever open up Roswell? Let us know what's really going on his terrified of his dad. Set A. Teaser! For! Coming out tonight. They got us a got us. Airlines know these fucking. People got us to tune into this event. Got Us. They cut it off right at the very. If. It's so important K.. Tell us. What what the suspense? He's supposed to be the president. This isn't about ratings. Are you an alien? Do you think aliens are here? Yes? What are your? What are you based on the? Imagination and hopes and dreams. I say no way and I'll tell you. Why. First of all the people understood? How far away things? If, people understood the idea of sending a video from a phone to another phone in the matter of seconds. Do you know how crazy that is? That sounds impossible. It can't be done, but first of all. What's a video? But how is it made? And how does it go through the air and land perfectly on cows phone airdrop with the fuck is an airdrop. All those things are are. Do not disclaim what I'm saying. Don't At least. You wish smarter you. OFF I was a little bit. Not Discredit right. Of Light. You physically can't go faster. Your mass will be infinite, so we got the closest stars for light years away. It takes a second for light to go to the moon. Now took US almost a week to get. They're going eighteen thousand miles an hour. You're going for four years. I just and also. If you got to go that far, aren't you going to say hello and you're not just going to be in the sky and I duNno. You everything said very good. Very important I don't think that all we know about propulsion and the ability to travel through space, and time is the same right that's. been around for thousands of years longer than us, so if there is a civilization out there and I'm not saying there is, but scientists believe that there should be. There was a thing that we're talking about they're doing. Some sort of an equation about our own galaxy that said there might be as many as thirty six intelligent life forms in terms of a planets occupied intelligent lifeforms in in our galaxy, so they don't really know they're just kind of guessing. But you gotTA. Assume that if it happened once in the right set of circumstances, it can happen again if given enough time, and the planet doesn't get blown up now if what we know about people in twenty twenty I mean. We're talking about sending videos through the air and fucking. SPACEX is shooting people in the space again docking at the space station and There's a lot of crazy shit we're doing the didn't exist at all one hundred years ago so if we went two thousand years from now, how fucking bonkers would be the inventions? That each invention exponentially encourages more inventions to branch off of it, but. It doesn't always mean when you look at. We started off with planes. You know the Wright brothers. Then we very quickly get into propellers in jet engines, and then we're rocketing. This and then so we were like Oh, an eighty five watt flying cars, because that was the trajectory, and it just went well. They have flying cars. They just don't use them and they're not very good, but they do exist. You can't do it, but the ones that we were imagining would be in the eighties. And probably I mean flattened off, but there's also problems of everybody having a helicopter, you know. Helicopters supposed to be the next form of transportation. When the helicopter was invented, it was invented to people thought there was going to replace the car university just fucking. Around. It'd be so loud. It's fucking. TWAT. Always Lands fucking helicopter when I'm trying to take it. But that's I. Think it's it's still. It doesn't mean we can't do it could. Everybody could have a helicopter. It's just not practical. People can't afford it. You can't. See, the sky can't be full of helicopters the way the Goddamn road is filled with cars. We'd be dying slamming into each other left and Riley. How would you make clear lanes and paths? Maybe it can be done. Maybe could be done in the future. Maybe it'd be more efficient or energy efficient, or won't you know they'll be? Electric won't fuck up the environment or something I don't know. But they can't do it. I mean on the alien thing I one hundred percent of the think. There's life on their plans. I mean just. They found every star that they've looked and they've got. Its telescopes have planets around. They didn't know that it'll recently so then you have to multiple. How many more chances are of life and it's will not only that. Wasn't the pictures they have of these planets are dog shit the nothing. Nothing you can, you can see pictures of the moon, and they're awesome pictures, but pictures of planets in other galaxies. You get like A. Like a SPEC or they just they recognized by the way the sun wobble sometimes. You find yeah, they find what the star is, and they recognize that there's a certain kind of a wobble damage coming to the topic hill. So they figure out that a planet circling, but there's no real good photos. We have photos of Venus. It's insane, right? You see the like Saturn or Jupiter, Jupiter's photos are amazing man there. Up a photo of Jupiter can either either. See that's a photo that we have just imagine. If you were floating around near that thing and you could look at it and realize. Here's this lifeless massive object that shares. Of shares, a solar system with US I, have telescope on my lawn. I can see Saturn's any really because he'd Jupiter's. Dude, you're one of those guys tight. It's eight hundred and forty five million miles. Wow, but keep pull up at Jupiter photo. I remember there was a an event that happened I. Don't remember what year it was, but a giant asteroid slammed in Oh. Yeah, and they realize. Oh, wait a minute, they. They are way bigger than we thought like when that happens. An asteroid slammed into Jupiter and the explosion was larger than the size of the Earth Yeah. They have pictures of that. I think that's true. Yeah, they might have made. No. You're right I think that man. That's the impact. We need that big planet. Change the color of the stripe. I heard that we're. So we wouldn't be here without Jupiter because it's cooped up a lot of the asteroids, apparently, it's so massive that it sucks things into it, said each s l. nine nucleus hurled material into space, which left a large scar when it fell onto Jupiter, got it so amazing to think that there's these enormous matt. You know Mike Miami sized rocks. Case and they could just slam into us and then everything's off. Everything's off the electricity. The power the lights, The Sun. You can't breathe. You know if you're anywhere near the impact, you're dead instantly anywhere near with hundreds of miles. In the atmosphere here you burn up just from the. So fucked. You're so triple double fucked that that volcano that you're talking about earlier. wh. What's ones that's supposed to blow? Because that'll that'll kill everybody, right? It's a call, Dera so volcano. It's a volcano that they didn't realize was the volcano until like they started using satellites believe they just thought that it was seismically active. Hot Springs beautiful except pretty donkey Venus, and then one day. Is that the actual impact on my kind? You can see the impact. Look at that. Watch hits in IT BREAKS UP. Watch this look at this here's out hits. The gravity breaks it up. I think before it hits a bunch of pockmark boom boom boom. Explosion apparently was the size of the earth. That's true. I could maybe use aliens breath. Find out that's. The. Size of the Earth. On I think we shouldn't check any, but we were saying just in case, let's just not check. Right, but I think it's. It's somewhere in that range, but if that hit us man, that's a wrap I! Think the red dots about our size the red storm. And the thing is man. There's fucking holes all over. This planet were hill. Yeah, things hit here all the time. Does like no rhyme or reason to it, either it's not like they wouldn't hit us and we're like really close to five G. nationwide. Actually. Don't give a fuck. Those rocks are flying out of nowhere and by the way you, if you really WANNA an end to racism, it'll be when a giant rock is coming from the Scottish. That then you realize how stupid it was to care. That's going to happen what we all feel. Racism sexism, any kind of discrimination homophobia. All of it's GonNa seem so stupid rock flannel Scott. My God I've been so distracted. Yeah! I don't know if they can even knock those things out that was. A? Little exaggeration says one group of astronomers estimate the object to be sixteen and a half to sixty five across. Oh, same size. The explosion. Didn't they say the explosion was some I thought massive now, but that's not what I'm seeing. What I think about the size of the explosion. Though because that was the thing that they were stunned, they're stunned by the actual size of the impact area, even though it is a gas giants. I don't know how the fuck it even. What is happening and what's what's happening when it has, this is a hard core or the bottom. Probably, right I don't even know how stupid I. It's a gas giant just. You know I would say that real console. Question! Like well, you know Jupiter's gas giant. Yeah Oh, yeah. Very confident my work be checked. Venus hottest planet in the solar system, and it's not the closest, and it's because the greenhouse gases. You're pumping into our atmosphere. We are can melt metal on the surface of the Venus. Yeah Things are I. DO notice more fires well the climate certainly shifting. In, but here's this is my point, not that there's anything wrong with recognizing that we're doing irreparable harm to the atmosphere we definitely are. But. We also should be aware that even if we weren't. This motherfucker is not stable. No, it's not even if people had zero impact on the environment absolute zero. We don't take out. We don't put back. It's perfect. It's perfect balance and harmony. We're still we're going to die before that. We're still fucked. We need to wrap your head around. The I suppose that could be worded that way that it wasn't earth size explosion does say that when you compare they. Look at. The size. Son. But he. Doesn't the Air Nice and I. Now I mean I used to have two million soot off my wash all the time now burnt all those buildings downs cleaned everything out. Which ones? They were down from the riots, yeah! Yeah, but the the no working is great for the air terrible for the economy. Super good for the air. If you are by thirty thousand dollars car, you have to buy a tesla. You we're doing a tesla at a lion to right. Has it been long. How are they paying us a lot? Good dependence with He keeps making cool shit. It's amazing. Yeah I just want him to keep making cool stuff and succeed. That roadster is fucking vaporware, though son, what do you think coming out? Oh, the? Goddamn word. I want the roadster. John I love the truck. Where's the GODDAMN roads? Cut Coming. Days old. What is this? That's tie can broke this portion new Tesla roadster next at Porsche tied can that's the roadster it could be of. CGI version does look like it is look supersede real. Is that really the roadster Oh, it has! It has the roof on it. It's not Oh, I see got damaged beautiful, though it's going to have a rockets, Mac That is what it looks like. Though even though that CGI since my suck, anyway for me, I could be tricked. tricked by though. Model cars with him in when I see a photo of a model car. Even if it's perfect, it's so weird. Your that is this thing going on so microscopic with the shadows and writes something you. You're not conscious of whatever it is. I'm like bullshit. I Call Fakhar. But you know what I mean like. How do you know done a model cars fake, but you do. I haven't honestly tried teaming. Jd, do me a favor cars google. What do you got anybody? I'll tell you tesla. Oh, that's right. It lifts off the ground. That's not happening. Zero to sixteen point one seconds. That's the. That's not the. Best. Research kind of nonsense. was saying. I mean. It's just been two hours Jamie. It's hard to hear and read at the same time. Model cars. Let's. Favorite Fun game or picture rather of a model car pull up a or a real nineteen sixty-nine corvette model car. Let's see that that sounds pretty reasonable. Also because it's a plastic car like the corvette is actually plastic vehicle like. Maybe maybe that'd be better to me also. pull up a real when you're. Trying to see if I can find a photographer that does magic and see if there's A. Latour. Give me a regular one I. Just give me a regular and I A to. Base it off of because there's some instantly you'll know and I. Don't know how you would ever described just other people I know Okay, I think that's that's a real car. Bro I know that car. That's actually a real car. You son of a bitch I'd say what that is first of all. Make that bigger. Yeah, because I might take rock. That is a God damn beautiful. That is generation three? That's generation three corvette, maybe like I think. Between sixty seven and like in the early seventies that got the side pipes, and they got an extra wide body kid on it and I got a boner. That's America fuck. Yeah, don't go away from that car. Car Son go back to that car. No no go back. Go back. Here's the thing it's not because that one's got a bold white stripe. Right down. The fuck knows that's Ebony and ivory did live together in perfect harmony. Nightclub that yes, with side pipes and flared fucking. GET FROM A electric? Feeling an engine and pulling on A. Shifting gears, you don't get that. You don't get the wildness. You don't get any Leonard Skinner D- going on the back of your head. You just get. But it's still it's better. It's like if I had to choose one car to drive the rest of my life. Would it be a hot rod every day or Tesla? It'd be like I'm going to take the Tesla. I remember the hot Rod. It's GonNa. Be Always Awesome, the fastest Tesla it's amazing. Also! Going into the gas station is such a pleasure so pretty. just pull up model car. Okay, that's a model car. I don't. Salonika, it's hard to tell us. Steering Wheels little fake, but it's shitty photo. It's hard to tell not the resolutions not very good. Go to model car photos is what I have. The flu I typed in and that's coming up so these cuts that trying to trick you. That's not a good picture. All right, let's try model car a sixty five Mustang. Try One of those, because the the problem with these is like it's probably not as many. Mama I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I'm sure there's a lot of artists in has got to be instagram account. Someone's got Oh. Yes, someone must click on and that I will have a the green box. That's a fake one. Okay, they can tell that's a fake. It's really small. Kit that's fake, too though. Yeah. It's hard to tell so blurry data looks fake as fuck no, but make it larger. That's a perfect example actually look. Like something about he's like Nah player. Mandates. That I don't know Jamie. Look at it. What is it? I mean where it's like in the middle of white I don't know man. I know it's little I want to put some people around that and tire marksman. No, no, no, no, even if I think even if you see gee I'd people onto that picture that we're like normal sized people in relative that are just keep it still I mean. Even. If you CGI people on that, you would still I. Don't buy it. There's something about the perspective here's here's one of the things. It's because it's a photograph, right? It's not a digital photograph because you look at it. How blurs the background right Jamie? A little bit dishes added and added in. Okay could be with the camera, but I. think that's also you recognize perspective, and you like just by the way the light is playing off that thing it seems off yet does have a tilt shift perspective, which would normally happen, which gives us things that miniature look out of the gate. It makes things look fake right that that might be a real car that they made fake. It's amazing. What happens in your subconscious you? Sure what? That is lower. Let's see that's a shitty picture though. You really kind of want to. Account! Yeah I bet there's a lot of dudes seriously into those fucking things. Miniature cars. They have like codes. They have like little displays around the house. Would you like to see my? Anything you collect I think women are into it doesn't. Collect X. do you think when no one's around to make room sound? Got Either roommate once. You're that star wars came out with a two sided lightsaber. Mall. I had a roommate New York was starting to stand up and I. Come home. He's on his bed like wow wound. Grown man. But he's. Feel happy yeah, but then I felt humility came to him in the middle of the night, and they said listen. You don't have to live this life anymore. You live the same exact amount of years, but you're gonNA. Live as Darth Maul. Is Ever a time where you've changed your life, I I assume now. But dark time again I'm going to switch this up. No I enjoy life. I'm having fun. Yeah, but I think I enjoy. This this like weird challenges to life. That's part of what's fun about it. Like, the part of what's fun is overcoming the things that are not fun, just figuring your way through problems and getting better at things and learning things and criticizing yourself and all that Shit. Yeah. We're if you go into the Matrix man. All it's over. There that thing I don't think is right about is I think you can program the Matrix to be annoying and heart one hundred percent. If you GONNA program it to be life, just fuck it up and make it live. Life is now and then like that's the natural course of progression, the only way to keep entropy zoe to keep things moving. Up Good and bad. You have to have all the things together. It's the only way things get done. You have to have struggles. Otherwise no improvement gets made. You have to have trauma. Otherwise. Love is not appreciated of all those things yeah yeah. That's like like. A rich like. What's the thing that people load the most? It might be a rich son. Absolutely assign is arrogant. Didn't have to work. For is a piece of Shit. He's mean people. He's miserable. Didn't do anything to get it miserable. Fuck I'm the happiest when I'm working really hard right and when it's done like when you make one of those videos, and then you get a bunch of positive feedback from that's gotTa. GotTa. Be Amazingly satisfying due for free and also hurt. That's with that last. One makes Kurtz, but Kurtz fucker layers. He's great and we're doing. We're working on making a show and it's like we're working so hard, and no one is even asking for it, but it's it's really satisfying, and I feel about the money. You just keep doing those Goddamn instagram videos if he can just keep doing them. It's undeniable. It's so good. Those are so good. They're so mean. Is. I look back. There so. Well Bill Maher asked for I mean he didn't WanNa. Make a video marketing gang bangs. Came on this program, and he said my impression socks asking. What am I supposed to do? Sit there. Listen I'm on your side with that one. In by the way it's very, it's very funny. He should be laughing at. That was hilarious. Even if you hate someone's impression, you have to pretend you like there's no saying you can't lie. You can't say it's not good. It's really good. Lie that he when you said although to play it, he was like I'm leaving. If you think threatened to leave, you play that and by the way I don't WanNa. I'm really not many I like having a nemesis feels good. Bill Maher I The ranch that he's been doing. During Kovic have been the very best in the rats that he does the beginning of your show. Their great man. They're great. He's doing no audience, but they've been really funny and really good points. It's like he's actually ramped it up. This pandemic, his some of those are beginning to show. rants are excellent. He's great writers so. Great Writers Man. It's a it's A. It's a treasure that shows a national treasure, but he did. Get Gang video video campaign. The asked together exactly, but also he acted like our anyway, yes. Exist, I went to Hawaii with him in his private plane. Yes, I don't know him now in his defense. I'm sure I was invisible him and he forgot me. The beach dinners. And then you Kinda got because he did know about the videos and he told you didn't and then he kinda anyway listen. I get it I think in all do with all due respect I. think he's just looking at the wrong way. I think it's funny and I think it doesn't make him any less. Brilliant doesn't make show any less great in the show is great I think we both admit it and those grants are brilliant. Brilliant I. Love is rants. I've I've tweeted a few of them out and said Bravo tweeted him out. It pained me to make a video where he was getting Gang Bang hurt hurt me. I didn't WanNA, do it. It should his so funny man. It's so funny and this is coming from a guy who's a fan of bill. Hard. I love that you showed your wife and she was like what's wrong with. There is A. Is a you know different tastes, different strokes, but yeah, it is, but it's also like. Come on man. If you lighten up, it's almost all funny I wa- I mean there's some far video I think far can There's a place for them I. Don't think there's a place. Some people don't like him and I hear about it. There's a place for them. Yeah Good Fart. One of the funniest that I. That Movie Norbert With Eddie Murphy Never saw I saw two nights ago. It was amazing. He plays three people in the movie. Like I didn't see it I. Think it came out in two thousand seven INC and do their bit Norbert. Yeah okay. Eddie Murphy plays like a nerd character. He plays the nerds wife, and then he plays this guy own orphanage. He plays a Chinese guy. Dude, it is amazing. It's so funny. The funny parts the moment where he hits the big laughs, he'll like Holy Shit. That's him and him. So that's any play in the wife. This enormous woman who rescues him from a sandbox spoiler alert when a little kid and like basically kidnaps makes it become her husband. and. She has her one of her brothers Terry crews, and the other is a to do who are built just like Terry crews just big fucking giant dudes is super jacked, and they're all like trying to run some scam on this lady. Norbert has to fuck and step in and save the day. Dude, I'm telling you. Can we get the so silly? It's so fun like I laughed so hard at this movie, I. Kind of movies that I wanNA watch now that are just residual silly away from. Can we get the rotten tomatoes on that? It's probably like three percent did they can suck my Dick. That's a great movie. It's a funny movie was to say nine. Wait a minute. They're wrong. Sacrifice the secret plant to our to the fire Gods. And Watch, north? Nine though Dude assholes, but astles neuro. They hate life. It's great with acid. Listen I know it's funny. I laughed hard that movie. I left hard. They just would looking forward to be something else I mean. The movie was basically like absurdist. Like. Really, funny man and Eddie Eddie. Murphy played this racist Chinese guy who would say racist Shit. Zimmer there, but it's him saying it. It's not a Chinese guy for so, and it's in two thousand seven, so it flies because he probably couldn't even any probably couldn't even get away with doing that today like people would get so upset if they didn't realize Eddie saying that to Eddie. Do you think we'll ever get back to a point where? We brought this up at like. You. Creek induce some other culture, and you can do it Talian, and you can do this, but you can make fun of Italians Irish people English. You just can't make fun of anybody that we decide is disenfranchised or recent immigrants. It and then like Asians are like running America can there be comedy where a White Guy. Does Asian the it can be that right now. Nobody cares I think they'd do. I think you can't do that. Listen Man! A black guy can do whiteface with zero problems. Yeah, and because there was never an Al Jolson for why people. Write. 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It's almost like you're seeing these little hints getting close to the end of the game. The narratives fallen apart. The fuck plot gets weirder and weirder. You like Oh. My God, when is the big reveal his Olympic and then at the end of it aliens. Allen. Will you watch that new now? There's a new footage or simulation of the car crash. Really that thought the lady stopped in front of him, but her him bruce at the time, but it looks like the. She just plowed right through to. Gun and pushed traffic right and died Illinois I'm done. and. Simulations right, but the one I saw. The new theory is that like she was on her phone. Not that what she was doing with the lady in front of her her didn't slam on break. It was like they were coming to the down for light, but we tell you how progressive I feel saying she. Keep saying she shakes you. Are you're a hero? I think she was bruce back then. Yeah, she was Bruce. So, what do you say about that? Yeah Bruce did. God. That bruce can't drive. 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That's a good job I wonder if that was what pushed her to come out. You know what Kim much assume. Let's stop. Before that she definitely. Long hair and we're making up. We, don't know. You lost be homophobic. TRANSPHOBIC but that may have hurry things up. It might have been the catalyst I would've I'll tell you if I did that and I was transient Roy. Bump up that -pointment imagine if there was like a PR guy. He's like that. I got a plan well. I mean anybody. Everyone in your family with a vaginas making a lot of money doing terrible, Jimmy, who's GonNa fucking now. Anyway rows now let's get this party started all right. Action Hush Hush Matt. My Garden. It's funny about. Seeing what Oh, I know! Khloe made a video where she was like Mattiello, she she kept doing that. Say My Larry a video where they're all. Al-Salam that's Hilarious I. Look they got. The must have a good sense of humor. They've been taken abuse for more than a decade. Now. Yeah I. Think might so cartoonish, isn't it? When you make them make the noises. thinking. Oh my two girls. Actually quote I saw somebody on twitter that actually said stop calling people Karen's. It's misogynistic and it's just a convenient way of you saying bitch. Really. Funny People just can't stop. They can't stop correcting people. They can't stop telling people what to do. They can't get their life is a fucking mess and they can't stop correcting. Feel good. You gotta get some charge out of this, and you can't call people, Karen. I know a lot of Cairns and they're really nice people, so fuck off Cairns are great. The haircut I love the angled haircut, but there's like women. Their name is Karen. There's nothing wrong with that Oh. Yeah, Actual Cairns, but if you complain, we're care. It's GonNa. It's GONNA stick around. Someone saying don't call women, Karen. Karen all that so dumb. You're so silly. You should be laughing at all this. This is not if you name Karen while you get while you're upset. For All these skated by, and then for fucking whatever reason Karen became the complaining White Lady. Do you know? How was it i? A Karen was patient zero? Idea maybe maybe named for us a perfect name. Maybe that's why it just seems perfect. Yeah, who else would it be? How Karen's call them how? Helen too old. Right Helen's mean. CAITLYN's to Catherine Caitlyn's owned by. Forever no kids calling their daughter Caitlin now. It's like just too risky, Caitlin. CAITLIN is. It's like you can't call your kid Madonna. Right right. You can't go you kid. caitlyn either parents shouldn't have caller Madonna. she I think she. Could CIONI or something. Like that I. Think she had a real name at one point in time. Minoa she's fallen. She's I don't know. Trying to be nice now. I'm just like I. Don't have enough information ending. Stopping. I hear rumors and I let people know that's a good move. Just spread the word. Let let the information not stopping anybody else. Don't it's not? It doesn't matter even with all this information. That's available. Why should I look? Why should you? He's Fox to win, do would they don't even do their bidding? There is a lot of conversations I don't if you've notice where. Were they you think your conversation with somebody, but really they're just checking. If you agree with every single thing, they're saying and then you get this venom if you diverge from. Really, weird, but I've had a few pumpkins with. So that. Diverge from their ideology at all to get them. I mean the rage that comes up. Surprise me a couple times like a cult feeling of you're. Saying the wrong I don't know what would the subjects? May Black Labs Latin matter. I my buzzer COP, and so it's like I have a little. Well you are in a position where. You agree I think with a lot of reasonable people that what that guy did was horrific. Hundred percent murder, awful and good put him in jail forever, and there's definitely raises minutes something definitely that we well, there's also a personal issue with that guy. In the top of apparently you know about that, the worked together and and then they had words they. Yeah, because the COP was apparently very aggressive towards customers. Yeah, and they. They got angry with each other over so this. This is a personal thing a lot of ways. But that said defending the police crazy. That's very. I mean there are underfunded now. It's also the job I. Just know it's just so hard to imagine going to where people are being assholes everyday all day for decades and you just. It's just a I they would never do this, but I think part of reform should be meditation I mean. They would never do those but it you wake up in the you. Put a bulletproof vest on. You gotTA. Work Your family. It's a it's a really mentally anguishing and this is. Not to say there isn't raising, not Medina I think it's great. What's happening, but it's just I, don't. I personally get when the pendulum's. You know falling too hard the other way against police when the vast majority. And my brother, just like a really nice emotionally intelligent guy who's just you know suddenly getting spit on savage, just like doesn't feel good, but. People are being very sighted. What is that you need the police? You need the police. You just need to better train police. Yeah, if I mean if the other side didn't have guns. I'd be like okay. Take their guns. Even then man, you're gonNA. Have bigger stronger people taking your shit because you don't have guns. None of as good you a police. You just need the police need to be better funded the need to be better trained. And they they like all of us need to get better. I think the police have today are probably way better than the police fifty years ago, but still we see what some of them have done to peaceful protesters while leading looters. Get Away with it is. The system is broken. It's. There's no, it's on broken. It's a huge mess and hopefully it'll. It'll get ironed out and stuff minneapolis. It's going to be an interesting case study if they defunding police I don't I don't know what they're going to replace it with how they're gonNA. REDO IT I. Hope they re do it with more money, but it doesn't seem like going to. They should pay people more money because it's a fucking. Dangerous job and they should train people much better and they should train people more often that I mean. 'cause you if you don't get into a situation. An often. Jujitsu probably you need to keep training to be calm. These cops and all that mistakes having because freaked out. Running decision they don't. They don't have any confidence inhaling themselves and also in a physical confrontation with guy who's been thinking about punching them for the last three minutes the sink and win should I punched his cop punches Cobb no, sir, no, sir. I didn't think I was going fast thing. I'm GonNa Punch US motherfucker I'm just waiting for my time and then building loss on your in a physical confrontation. You don't know what do. If you hit I. Yeah, you're in trouble and also there's a gun. Top has a gun. Once you're wrestling is I never know when to pull their gun. And then there's also sociopaths. Are you guys who are cops? They're sociopaths. They can't wait to kill. People can't wait shoot people. They want to thrill. They don't feel anything in regular life. They WANNA be able to kill somebody and blame it on. You know this person's a criminal or whatever there's there are real people that want to shoot. People I mean that that's that's a part of life to and we've seen videos. Man See videos of people, shooting people and COPS shooting people for no fucking reason, it's horrific and I think it's just a symptom of the job man because it's, it's A. It's happening all over the place. It's happening whenever it seems like whenever cops get ramped up and they have you know a lot of power and they're holding a gun. There's a person in front of them, and there's some sort of dispute near yelling. The fucking ground like that guy might get shot. That guy might get shot whether guys Asian or European or black. He's GonNa. Get shot by the right guy in the right situation, and that's what the statistics show statistics show. That although there are these horrific cases like that George Floyd case you get to watch it. There's less of those than they were. In two thousand fifteen is less doesn't mean it's good, but there's less black man killed by cops now and there was before, but one is too many you know, and when you when you see that part of what you're seeing is not just racism. You're also seeing just the abuse it comes when someone has that kind of power of people and are a sh- a simple mind, fuck head, and you've given them the kind of power that a cop paths. Some, there's some bad bad fucking people man. There's there's bad people to do every job. Man's bad people to construction workers whose bad people that are cops and. Then the problem is when they fuck up. It's so public and such a big deal because they have so much more power right their position so crazy. The Guy who has a gun who's literally telling you get on the fucking ground. You have to listen to him. Yeah, know their time in life. You have to listen to a man. Tell you to get on the ground. This guy is actually working for you. He's he's working with your tax dollars. You pay for the police. Like craziest because about to shoot me and I pay them you know and. You know because if it was a regular guy telling you get on the ground, you'd like why because I smell weed like fuck, you like. You're just a regular guy, but because he's a cop, even though he's still a regular guy has all this power to tell you what to do, it's it's fucking very strange Cop Psychologically very strange a lot of ways and what strong people to do that job. That's what you need to pay them. Well. It just like who now is going to be only be a competent. I grew up. SANITA come forth and say that some governor needs to say that in an eloquent way like you guys are looking at this wrong. We need better people. We need to put more money into the community. More money into the police force more more money into these fucking people. We need to make everybody safer. The way to make people safer is not have less cops and less funding. It's still have better. Bitter paid cops, maybe even more cops and more funding and made sure that they never fucking do that. In any abuse at all, you instantly get rid of them any abuse at all. Everyone's wearing a body camera. No exceptions every altercation gets reviewed. Any abuse gets reported and you can't do that man, and if you don't know how to handle someone without getting abusive, and you're doing an effective ineffective version of that job, and you're probably dangerous to other cops because you're gonNA. Leave it in that person's head. That cops are astles. Cops treat you like Shit. Cops hit you. Whenever cop does that for no reason he doesn't just fuck over that person. He fucks overall the. Video all the people get mad at cops, and that's what you're seeing today. You're seeing this probably, even though it's less things are happening to folks because of bad cops. More people are seeing it than ever before. Yeah, so our idea. What a COP is just way out of whack right now. Yeah, the town. In in Seattle. What happened there? There is no police and they just took over its festival I don't understand. I. Don't understand how they were like guess. Grab. The cops were like I can't go and they don't want me in they're. GonNa play out. I'm sure good. I'm sure that will allow called the. Zarate. Yeah yeah autonomous own. Capitol Hill, Autonomous Zone called Chas. How did they get take leave? Cops and the cops left like what was that moment? Well? If I guess it's because there's not enough cops and not well-funded weren't prepared for this bad government. A bunch of people that are enter kissed all organized got together. Did something chaotic business owners fled people panic. They gave up out of these folks were. Ideology that on paper lease seems sorta admirable, giving power to the people you know getting rid of corruption, getting rid of some of the bad aspects of capitalism like there's all sorts of parts of it that sold people on the idea, but it's not good. They don't only those buildings. They didn't build them. They can't just take him. He shouldn't. Because that's piracy. Just comes into your neighborhood and takes your house. That's piracy. Can't just let these people take over. His blog goes the people's man. We don't allow money okay well. You don't have to allow money, but you can't stop other people from using money. Fuck just like we don't stop you from trading with tomatoes. If you WANNA, fuck and trial three tomatoes. If you give me that camera, I'm like okay. Good deal. You're allowed to do that. You're not allowed to tell people that can't use money, so they have like a whole zone where there's no money like come on. Step one to fascism. You GonNa. Make Your own fascism. And then there was a video I saw this one guy was filming something so these other guys came over and beat the shit out of him I'm like Oh. Great, so then you treat one of your own the same way cops tree you. Graduate. You're? GonNa make a police. They won't call it that, but of course there's going to be people that patrol just like remember the Guardian Angels. I was in traffic once and there's as Guardian Angel and this dude is like doughy like little baby arms and a little gut. This is crazy. This guy's protecting anybody from anything looking at him with my friend well, he look at his mother fucker and he looks to me, he goes. Double! Double fingers stared in the windshield. We didn't even say anything. We didn't say like. Hey, man, what the fuck you guarding, Bro, saying anything like that. We just looked at him. I was like look at this motherfucker. Look at this current. Here has the Guardian Angel. He's out. He's out there. Protecting people gave. He gave you the double bird angry face and I was like. You shouldn't have. That job shouldn't be standing in the middle of cars patrolling. Were you patrolling? Where is this new? York City. Yeah, and then the main guy was on a radio show. And there was some sort of a scandal. Where like he? He said he stops some sort of a crime. That didn't really sel. Remember that. Yeah, we were there I saw him on TV's like still on the local news there he still is. But wasn't there some. That's him. Think so. Yeah, that's him, yeah. So, was real weird. They had the t shirt on and the berets. They'd walk down the street and do deadly. That one dude has like the chain mail. He's got kiss brings right back to kiss Dan, Gene Simmons Wrist straps. That's cool idea. It's preposterous on now. What about like just their presence making people think twice about crime you see guard Oh. Yeah, Bro, I hear, you and I'm saying. superheroes in Seattle walking around a couple years ago. Right, but that's different. Those guys actually knew how to fight. That was we talked about that? Those Lanao, all of them I would say I. Don't know how many of them are actually trying to stop crime. These guys are actually trying to stop crime. It's very strange. It was like organized vigilantes unarmed organized vigilantes. They had no power to do anything right. They beat your ass. That sucks on the guy game of the double figures. I Just think you might be a little bit jumping the gun here. Measure of COP did that. We saw a cop in trafficking. Likud, fucking guy was stupid, blue outfit He. Talked you. He'd be like Oh my God. That guy shouldn't be a COP, right? So why should this guy be a guardian angel? I think we should. If that existed. We should about them. But, they disbanded. Yes, luckily. They fell apart, but that's probably what's going to happen and a lot of these debt police free zones. You're going to have Weirdos who want to be fake cops wearing berets. Wandering around giving people the finger. In their code of what to do, there's a lot of people did don't understand the importance of the police? You fucking up you fucking it up for everybody else. To who are you gonNA call when someone breaks in your house. If there's no one to call, there's GonNa be more people breaking in Your House Oh. Yeah, if they take away the guns from cops I mean my God bank robberies will be successful one hundred percent of the time. One hundred. Call was GonNa Stop You from Robbing Jewelry Store every day. Forty seven throat so dumb. It's so dumb like the if you this should be something where it gets argued where there's a meeting. Were you show all the interactions that the police have had with with the community all the interactions, every single one of gives detailed and documented, and then you say well. How many of these were negative and you look at it if there was like three or four like really strongly negative ones? What about all the positive ones, what about people that were protected? What about all the robberies that were stopped what I'll do all the crimes that were prevented? What about all the people that were arrested? That were murderers and rapists, and are you GonNa do that now or we just gonNA pretend that shit doesn't exist because there's all these interactions of the cops have and some of them that are negative. You're right. It's not known saying that's not true. Maybe there's the throw it all out like if you were arguing that, elect from data from a data perspective if you're a meeting and they'll like we have these these are the bad interactions and these all these papers of the good interactions. Cable rationally and we need to stop that from happening. How do we do that? How do we? How do we eliminate or at least radically reduced the number of bad interactions? It work on that. You wouldn't say defined the police. That's like fucking virtue gesture like looking me. We're GONNA defend. We're GONNA just plant flowers. Maybe feel like it's called that to cause controversy, so it gets attention, but they said reform the police. Maybe I'm ignorant and they really mean to fund that. It just seems Neapolis, said refunds specifically. Maybe, they're gonNA. They're gonNA give cops saying before other jobs then they're to have dues with clubs with nails hanging out of them. It's going to be dues with baseball. Bats wrapped in chainmail like that Degan dude. From Degan from. Walking dead was. Megan Megan. That's his name right? The Mean Guy Kills People, Baseball, Bat, yeah. Fuck Dot Guy Right. That guy's going to be everywhere. Guy He control is. Be Like that everywhere. You look you know I'd get a gun. That's the thing if you take away guns from cops than everyone has to buy a gun exactly. Did terrible and you. You can't do this. This is such a dumb idea. And, also you can't do it in a city where that thing didn't happen either isn't even the people you're. You're one guy was a horrible person. And then another guy was a horrible person in Atlanta, but there's a million cops like you can't i. don't know how many there are probably a million exactly. Yes there are a lot of fucking cops men gathers. Hundreds of thousands of interactions of that are not good that that happening all the time, especially with the protests and stuff. There's a lot of interaction. and. Look I think everybody got the message. I, think to this George Floyd thing. Everybody got the message and the people that are gonNA flare up that are still behaving the same way like that guy who shot that guy in Atlanta. They get charged with murder man right away. Right away right away. Felony Murder Death Penalty. That guy any probably should. He probably showed the way shot that guy if he really knew that that guy had a taser. That didn't even work. It's murder. What's crazy is if you watch the video of the guys compliant? I know in for twenty minutes I can just pull over. They don't want to work like. Can you just yeah? He's compliant. He wants he wants them to get in an Uber Right. Isn't that what he said? Then he say something along those lines what we should've done that. There should be a way that you could tick someone. Maybe even take their license away but like. Get them home, don't fuck and put him in a cage. Like they did something stupid. They shouldn't be allowed to drive. They should definitely pay a fine. They should definitely get in trouble for driving intoxicated for sure, but you really need to be violent with them and lock them in a cage. Don't know if that's the case. Not In that guy's case the way that guy was interacting with a cop. It seems like he's just was fucked up and just wanted to suddenly it just yeah, because that's what we're talking about before like. When a cop has to worry when he's talking to a guy, the guy could be like super kind, and just thinking about punched him in the Fazli. If I was in a situation like in a movie like a Bourne identity movie and there was a cop, there was interrogating me and he was saying something to me and kicked closing in on me. I'm like I'm not going to have to knock this cop out. Okay I don't want them to know him so I'm just going to be really calm compliant. That's what I would do. I would go well. Sir I definitely didn't know that that was happening. No Sir Yeah. Well. I saw nowhere got to be able to do it whether or not. They don't know you're going to do it exactly like that last night. This guy was just being really cool and the cops can just check. Search a little bit, he's again and his dad. They don't show the actual last moments, but that's down man. It can easily go down like that where someone can pretend. Don't pretend, there'd be nice to you and then the shoot you. Watch these they make them watch him. Say like this could happen, but you know what's fucked up. Dude I was reading about. The the Comanche is doing that the settlers to. The done that everything's fine fine and they fucked them up. That's like an old trick. Yeah like. I was reading this horrible story about or listening to this horrible story about these commanded came into this people's houses. And they came in this one of their food. They still have food. And then people fed them, and then after the they said go now know her go vanhoose, no hurt like forced people out of their own house. And the people just didn't want to do. They just like with run running crossfield to got about a half a mile. Comanche is found in the one. Lady who is pregnant? The cut the top of her head off like they scalp there from the ears up, so they literally cut all while she was alive all the skin from her ears all the way to remove the top skin of her skull, they cut it off, took it with them, and they shot her full Araoz, and she survived for a couple of days and gave birth to a stillborn baby. Brow rule, this is this is what people are capable of in eighteen forty right so just. That's the same thing those people. We're the same thing when shit goes fucking completely sideways. I was watching this thing in New Mexico. Where this one kid hit this guy with a skateboard, and then pulled a knife out on the guy, the guy reaches out of his fucking pants and pulls a gun and shoots the do down, and I'm like Oh my God like this is at one of those like. Take down a statue rallies. LIKE FUCK! People are losing their mind how I mean it's not. That kind of horrific violence is not that far removed from that shit that was going on with the the settlers in the plains, Indians is not that far removed man. It's like you only couple incidents away. Nobody thought we'd be seeing that on a regular basis. People haven't gun fights on the street. A dude getting attacked by anti funny fucking lights up with a nine millimeter drops them while everyone's screaming. WHO THE FUCK! When when did you ever see that? That's pretty rare now. There's a new video every couple of days of something crazy happening. Well now that we've cheered everyone up. I think I've been hilarious the past our. Good the entire. Having been here's three hours. Three guys twenty relax. Yeah, anyway. Sorry Jamie, come on! Home, it's awesome. This is really fun, and always always you and I want to take this home. You take that on. You can have another one you want to know I do. We actually have Give away bags because here in California this one good thing. 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Streaming In Place: TLOK S02E1112

The Televerse

33:47 min | 11 months ago

Streaming In Place: TLOK S02E1112

"To televise streaming. Of. Car Low everybody. Welcome back to streaming and place. Today we are talking about the legend of Cora book two spirits, episodes, eleven, and twelve the native thousand stars and Harmonic Convergence. So we have a few things. So we talked about the other day Cheshire yesterday which was a teasing booby stuff and Allison's prediction that the night of thousands arson telethon. So. Telethon but you know. entertainment related. So it's not I. Don't think it's never a call dish but I feel like it's more than you thought it was Elson. What did you think? I don't think that it's a called in Ish. But it's like if there's a step below. Called but above totally wrong. Surprisingly relevant. Yes. Surprisingly. Like given that I went in a direction that I thought where I was just being ridiculous. It's weird. How kind of sort of close I was. you know I really liked both of these episodes I before we started recording I was telling Kate and Nolan Marcus high markets that I just finished watching harmonic convergence. So I have to admit that I'm writing this like really hot bumi high that is making the bull limb high that I had yesterday feel like a bit a a faint memory but I really did like them both I think that they're they're both good episodes. There's some great action. Some great character stuff still some thin patches and mock is just the worst bobby just. Oh God Staring right at him everyone knows. Assadi is basically. Killing him with his her is he's like, no, we're cool babe. Buddy. Yeah. No. Well it's I mean. It's it's just so. Shitty it's like just really shitty but other than that a lot to like and admire and be excited about and that felt good on the heels of the last couple of episodes after our little dark streak. Noel, how was it for you revisiting these? It was good. At the Bumi stuff still holds up. So well in Hermit Convergence, we'll get to it in a second, but it's so still very good what a payoff what a good payoff off season often it's it's totally worth the trip that it takes to get there. But even like the night of a thousand stars, which is an episode I only sort of remembered. was better than I remembered I really appreciated the. The all the stuff with the movers and then just Bowlin becaming. Knock talk but being bullied on that fuzziness I still don't think that that helps that plotline with ginger in particular of the ways in which that gets the star persona and the human persona gets slippery it I get with going forward doesn't really like land for me. But it's still good like watching Bowlin just tear off his tux leaves so that he looks like Nip Tuck. But also, the fact that Poland is Jack now like super jacked, I kinda I remember like he gets really he gets really be in seasons three and four but I forgot that it started right here So I think that there's just there's a number of good things but more than anything. Appreciate the weird commentary of. Yeah no I had the cell especially designed for me I own this prison I figured I'd up here. So here, I am just like God verify your the worst. The best. The worst CA I don't know I don't know John Michael Higgins is confusing me. Yeah, it's interesting because you know. With. Our current Lens. Yes. I feel like America's a much more charming and interesting version of like who those characters would be. In Our world lying. You know Zuckerberg wishes he was the third as entertaining and charming and a as charismatic. Yeah. Exactly. Right and like like. Bays is different like titans of industry to taking over mega corporations like they're never this this Lovable stamp while they're being evil. And so so it's just it's such a especially in a season that has not had enough new interesting characters You're just constantly places yuna place of advert. Great Weight Nobody's he's evil he's not evil, but he's not good and you can't actually rely, but he's funny like it's all these conflicting emotions with with that character and that works much better. When the other characters aren't. Mindlessly, oblivious. At they are in most of that first episode, we watch for today when when they're like surprise Monaco was right. It's a kiss. Was Raining. What's where would you be able? Did you experience season? Of course, Makka was right in barrack this new guy who just took over your company Asami is not like. Your so like while while he has, Monaco is the worst Monaco was not the worst of. The writing for Asami and also bowl. In this, like what is like balloon is not the brightest, but he's a he is a block, use a block of wood in this episode, and it's it's it's not if lack of clay because he's an earth bender come on. Sorry walking know. Clay, he can mold in different shapes and would anything is denser. So least than than clay I've been watching too much third on allison do you have any thoughts on this? well, about very I I think part of the reason that it sort of impossible to to just file him away as villain even though that's obviously what he is Is that he's got a level of self awareness that shirt that most. Evil characters usually don't certainly not when they're being drawn broad strokes, right like the whole idea is. That No. One thinks that they're the villain in their own story. but here he knows exactly what he's doing and he knows exactly what it means and what why he's doing what could result from it and there's something really appealing about that. I think it's pretty unique as a perspective for villain I think and. Yeah I. Mean Like by our Contemporary Lens I can't think of a billionaire who I would say is equivalent. NOPE got nothing. Nothing. Nothing at all I agree about the writing for Monaco and Asami and Berlin in these episodes although it does sort of seemed like macos behaving in character he's just. The thing that frustrated me about Asami is the show does seem to have any interest in Islamise relationship with Cora. which is like. Look there's no for for being as close as they are. Neither really seems to consider the others feelings at all. which is sort of I. Guess the downside of the tax they took in the first season where neither of them either view the other as like a rival or the enemy or anything, which is good. It's it. It just doesn't mean that then they're also not a factor or a person like doesn't. Would didn't neither of them should have anything to do with him. The only correct resolution to what Monaco does is that they're both like later do us. WE'RE GONNA go make our hopefully. That's my ship So yeah, I will say however one note in Asami favor is she got to put on her best Miss Fischer drag and drop in that plane and be the amazing bad ass that they've somehow forgotten she is all season like it was great. It was great to have Bruce Wayne back only it was actually finally Fisher. About it what funds sequence? I know we're jumping around between episodes but. Yeah. The goggles the scarf I was living I. Loved it. I liked the contrast between Moscow and Bolan macos like an cool actually guy with fire blasts and Mulan. Like the Earth is down there. The is my friend. Throw something. It was can't bend? Appear. What are you doing? Yeah, it's good. It's very good nolde. You have any other thoughts nine thousand stars is just so ridiculous and fun and as Marcus says, I appreciate that it ended a lot of the the bad plot lines and yes this is the most important thing to. Like the fact that it that the the of Tuck is what gets them to talk don't hurt me not chuck. It was very. Delightful absolutely the fact that Dolan. is able to go out and get some air. She's one boat and goes. Wait a second like. Absolutely. Ridiculous. But that's what it takes to get us to where we are in harmony convergence. Fair enough. Sure. Sure. Okay. It's fine. Those those two moustachioed detectives get fired, which is good because Lynch should have done that ages ago just so long ago and what I mostly. Glad about from Allison's response vickers how she feels about Baruch since he sticking around, he basically is here for the rest of the show. So maybe there's a policing unit. Yeah. Yep, now, there's no way there's unions here. You know who've Eric is this is going to be might second comparison to the same repulsed drag race personality that I've made I think in this week because I think the Willem comparison was this week. So it's Willem. Vericose Lake. Henry Ford. and. I duNNO CECIL B Demille. I was GONNA say Buster Keaton but that's not right. And William from repulsed drag race all mixed together like pure self interest but. But a kind of gooey about it. That's like. PSYCHOPATHIC but but not scary he's. In. Jail with him like that's just raw, it's extremely wrong. Why did she agree to that but he also named a battleship after her last. Cool. And and there's a deck. There's a whole deck of I'm assuming that pie is just a deck. There's a deck for Pie there's a deck for cat alligators yeah cashiers. Love. It. They've got some really stylish coats on board like I. It's impossible to not find that combination appealing please bring the chaos not all villains have to be incredibly dark. They can just be forces of leg unparalleled self interest. You know what I mean he at least has really great taste of like I imported this red carpet all the way from the fire nation, they make the best rent. Best. Read stuff. A such a good line. Argue with what he's saying. You know you can. Make the bed read stuff they make all the good stuff is just like the water try mix all the good stuff Oh and William Randolph hearst we have to throw. Hurston there too. It's like get all of the of the worst characteristics of the Titans of industry of the Nineteen Twenties and thirties. Combined with leg. I well combined with willing from repulsed drag race like I. Just I'm almost like a p t barnum sort of thing definitely, which would like a-. I wouldn't call him a Titan of industry but yes, very much of a piece with sort of what I'm thinking it. It's great. It's great like give me your monstrous men who are motivated purely by just getting richer and not necessarily being purely evil I. Love Villain. That's a force of chaos rather than like a moth. 'cause those are good too, and obviously we have a couple of those here want us to say speaking of those let's talk about tomorrow, Nick and Robson unless Kate Scott anything. Let's run on it convergence. Again the show loves a penultimate terrifying horrible like anti-climactic. It's like the opposite of what you expect to happen. So you know there is still episodes left So clearly we needed Rava to Wean lock to be able to. Announce his evil game as evil plan we need to be released. So it's appropriately terrifying. What did you think appropriately terrifying this episode just As. We often say slaps. Or as Toya Ferguson would say she'll never hear this because. The core. Tory Ferguson would say. Convergence flux I just it. It's one of those episodes of the Avatar the last vendor cinematic universe that feels like it's. Like twenty minutes longer than it is and I mean that in the best way possible it just so packed without ever really feeling rushed all of the set pieces have really great arcs to them the only time where I was like, Oh, this feels a little bit like we skipped step is. In chorus failure to close the portal, I had to actually stop and ask Tom like wait what happened how did we get and he was like, Oh, well, it didn't work like oh Okay. Okay. That's fine. That's totally fine But what I really admire about it is it's an it reminds me a lot of the end of the first season of at L. A. Actually is that there's so much room for fun here despite the fact that it is extremely dark ray like they're just making room for it to be entertaining and goofy and dumb and fun while also being all of these other things. So you can have lots and lots of feelings about. Watching little, Genera get put into that pool by her grandmother who we knew as a child which I did have lots and lots of feelings about that, and then boomy can make you believe that he is going to command a spirit army with his pan flute. And, it's just a flute but mastered pamphlets the Sorkin reference but yes. Yes, well, you can, and I, I mean I guess wouldn't it be a fife? Yeah, it's mortgage, life. Yeah. Let's I mean we'll defer expert calls. I it's it's more. It's because it's like a within it's more reedy rate. It's not like a pan-pipe is the one that has like the tube that are you know make the Triangle Across the top it's not that in it's short. So it's actually more Piccolo e but like. Just think. But but those are metal usually. So it's a, it's a read. A Reed pipe let's just go with that. It's it's great. It's the that act in particular in addition to being as no set a great season one pay off. and a marvelous example of both breaking expectations in a way you don't see coming in twice right the fact that. The second it starts to happen you're like, Oh this is one of those stories he tells we're about to find out that of these are lies that this is actually how he operates. On the one hand and then the other making it not work. Halfway through but still work jet like just really really great and calls to mind his namesake, and then you're invested in the history and then you think, oh, well, really seems like all of Ang's kids got a little bit if they got different parts of him I just. As I said, this whole episode is great but I'm so hung up on just that sequence which was so so so so so fun it was like it was like watching one of the great early tough sequences or like anytime that sock got to just rule was like that it was great one last thing Tom made an interesting point which maybe it was just this will be obvious to everyone but me and I'm the only one who hadn't picked up on it is that. The siblings are older siblings all sort of correspond to our original three characters, Wednesday. Yep, see you both are nodding. This had not occurred to me now. Context. But yeah. Yeah it's nice to see. The Mundane is not a great word but the the non bender having his. Totally three benders plus Sokha. It's nice to see the plus Sakha have his moment and also to. Now? I'm rambling I Love Bumi I love his pink earmuffs I loved that whole sequence and it was such a satisfying payoff that I'm obviously still a little bit giddy about it well, and it was great about the three kids and the Qatar and and and Sokha dynamic with you know with tens in Kaya in Bumi is that they have been like that's true on many different aspects of who they are so their powers but also on the personalities and their different, right? So like ten is not hang personality. Wise. You so Sassy. He is so much more pissed off guitar than he is saying right? Like it's. The WHO which of their, which of the original tree Amro's lake is different from their personalities to their powers to their instincts in battle and like it changes and but the three still remain in balance and that's what I particularly enjoy about. Because if they were just one for one, we would've talked about adding like the first episode that we spend time with them and it would have been boring moved on but instead like I said you just. Tends to spending so much of the season just being Sassy Bitch. Here, for it Ed's the point where I was genuinely like. For boomy when he does his amazing thing and he starts to say years not going to believe me. Okay. Well, we're speaking with ended true tens won't believe him even though we know it's true and loonies disappointed. But also he has come to terms with this aspect of his relationship with his brother a long time ago, and he doesn't need tendons validation and I'm so here for him Yeah I also really like it. Yeah and it's a very Sokha thing in terms of that parallel linked to go. You're not gonNA believe me anyway. All right. Let's keep going because that practicality side of wanting to be appreciated but also going. Yeah. No no one's GONNA. Believe me. So moving on. That my with mine. Mighty Mubarak. Slade whole Arby's a fire nation soldiers. I WANNA make one other boomy point while I'm thinking of it, which is a another visual thing. I love the way that they styled boonies physical combat because it really looked like old Timey speeded-up boxing you know what I mean. And the the wave of the punches were landing and you sort of expect they're going to go and they don't that was another great. Bit of that whole thing. I always enjoy when you get that old timey boxing stance because I. Not that long ago I was listening to a podcast I sit not that long ago. We're you like that could be mean it just means at some point in twenty twenties with that means and they were talking about like how come like why is it that old tiny like pugilist because that's how people box because they didn't have headgear, and if you don't, if you're fighting without pads, it's a way more effective way to box. So that's why box that way because it worked with like their setup. Was it. Was At that time, and only when you have all the like the head protections and stuff does it change to a very different style So I always enjoy I get a kick out of that when I see it pop up in different. You know narratives in different movies and TV shows and stuff because usually when you see people doing the old time boxing, right it's either comedic thing or it's a comedic thing but also they're not boxers they're not wearing deer. So he fights in a way that's different. Then for example, bullying in Monaco would if they didn't you know background of doing all of their bending the Athlete approach to it as opposed to what's actually going to work in a street fight. I, take. boomy. In history fight over a powerless vodka or. Geno it's it's all just. So delightful and map cap that it's hard not to appreciate it less map cap and potentially easier to not appreciate is inaugural. I'm going to be the dark avatar. Are Y'all glad we waited to get this until now. I think it's it's good that they didn't pull this out earlier in the season. Yeah. It's some. It's going to be a lot easier to swallow as like the high note in the Aria as opposed to something they're introducing right at the beginning Yeah I. I can't wait to come up with a goofy Portmanteau for the dark Avatar that I'm excited about and other than that. I'm I'm just sort of ready for a walk to get his ass kicked. The Tar Darva Tar I think that there is actually like a Portmanteau that exist already for their combined form but I don't remember what it is. 'cause tuna actress. Kinda go together in a weird way. But yeah. Dark avatar equals shadow guitar equal sabotage. There we go. It's not it's spelled differently on the flash but yes I it doesn't matter. I not tell you how much I love. That are recurring bit podcast that has nothing to do with the flash has. Become. Jokes about Salvator specifically. Just, it makes me so happy it's weird Even like. ARC that. It's not good but it's funny. Yeah, we should talk about. I you know the stuff that we get here I think works I think the pacing of when we find out where. so much of the piece in the beginning season does not work at all and a big problem about was their handling of. And everything. But I like we get here I like the attempted plead to the twins and the like. Notes are dad also he's really smart and you know and I expect more on that in you know in the last two episodes. But what we get here, I think really does work. It's it's it appropriately like. evil. You know mad genius a Ha-. Even his voice acting shifts from that really calm demeanor. In a different register, that's a little more manic which is a really interesting kind of vocal choice to make when you're hitting this game type thing of him apparently realising his actual goal lifelong. Lifelong pursuit of merging with an evil dark spirit that's been trapped in a tree for ten thousand years. Man. She's like on you gotta you gotta reach out to the very first human comes along and ten thousand years. Better, you can do better than a lot yet. Well I was going to ask you both about his whole. His conceptualization of the spirit world end the Avatar the there should be a bridge that. It. Should just be like open borders on type of deal of exchange for and how that kind of registers within larger discussions particularly of this show of. Tolerance and acceptance, and that enter integration almost a concept that is pushed against in. Toyed with a little bit in like the Amman season I don't know I feel like maybe I want to. Reserve judgment sure because I feel like. I'm having a hard time telling when the show is being deliberate about the issues it's raise and this is a problem that I didn't really have with Avatar Sometimes it seems like, Oh, the show wants to ask and explore this question. Sometimes, it doesn't and I'm just having a hard time sort of. Figuring out where to spend my time in Lectu Alie as I'm engaging with it for example, I've been waiting for them to start talking about. Interventionist isolationist foreign policy. and then it just keeps not happening even though they keep setting it up. So so I think yeah, I think I wanna I wanna sit on this one until we watched the last two. And as someone who engaged discourse weekly, I think that's a good idea. I committed real early to the whole secularism versus spiritualism part of the season too early on. When I was redoing weekly reviews of it but so much so that it's like the top thing for this like if you go to Wikipedia by premier reviews like linked to it as a big discussion about that and that was mistake. FAMOUS YEAH WE'LL GAP for for for yeah whatever. It's just yeah it's a weird thing that like I latched onto because it's such a part of the show that doesn't really get explored in either franchise until this point. That was really curious about how it was can play out and then it was like, oh, he's just wants to do a big God merge thing. Oh Yeah. That's it's not as interesting. Keno though I think like the bridge stuff and this idea of the world's being open to one, another is actually really interesting. That tendency that we've been discussing the show to sort of Wade into a particular pond and then not do anything with it actually reminds me a lot of of all things the handmaid's tale. where? It feels a little bit dangerous to assume the best none of it. which isn't great and certainly I'm not putting in terms of the The Heights to which it is aiming and the shortcomings. It is unaware of these shows are not on the same level like chorus chorus doing a better job but it does feel like. Whole like once you say like I'm GonNa tap this button and it's deliberate enough that we are supposed to notice it to then leave that unexplored is incredibly frustrating and makes it feel like you want to bring some skepticism to the viewing experience, which is never a fun place to operate from when you're dealing with fiction. Ni- definitely agree do you have any other elements? We want to mention these episodes anything else? I mean I was so happy hiding music was back Pacific like hijinks music. I want to talk about Nagas amazing entrance that was wonderful. Pu- leaser is now. I just it. That was really when when they show up as reinforcements. That was really great. There was one other thing. I will. It'll come back at one. We'll talk about next week. We do our finale. Popularize puppies death scene while until doomsday machine covers the earth and then brings him back to life which weird that actually happened the whole purple haze thing that covers the planet really weird that actually happened I don't know how much eric new apparently too much. but no, I don't really have anything else. I'm really excited to watch the finale if it's what I think it is I think I liked it but I don't remember I thought of one more thing which is that I heard from our pel Keenan. Caldwell this morning catching up core. We'll hopefully be joining us on Monday but she said so far episode to mock oh can go jump in a lake and I wish Bolan nothing but joy and success in his goofy throttle and I had to work to remember. What the hell she was talking about because it spit it feels like it's been so long and some of that is that we've all I'm assuming I'm assuming we've all aged at least six years this week So it feels like an eternity but I was like, what thrust ball he like ginger and and what like Pablo I don't understand there's like overnight. Okay. That's where she is. She doesn't even know about the movers yet and then. Yup. Yup. Well, thank you for sharing that. Thank you. Before two Monday Okay. Well, our last two episodes of the season are going to be on Monday and they are darkness falls thirteen and fourteen light in the dark. So, again, such helpful title. Elza any thought? It's like they decided to play magnetic poetry to name all the episodes this season it's really there. So Boring Okay. So in can do a whole episode called boomy tie boom. I'M GONNA guess that in darkness falls. They all get their handy pocket instruments out to try to sue the world back. To state of calm through the power of music, they'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony essentially and then in hey, you don't have you don't have to have an instrument to make music music is everywhere. Strip. And I I think in light in the dark. We go fine Genera in the spirit world and she helped save the day. Okay. While we will say so thank you market for hanging out with us today in the Zoom everyone for listening. We'll back next week with week twenty eight. Place. Yeah. Bye Bye.

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Living Legend: Shelley Smith

That's What She Said with Sarah Spain

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Living Legend: Shelley Smith

"That's what she said. That's what she said. That's what she says what she said. Well, that's what she said. Welcome to. That's what she said conversations with interesting people from the world of sports music, comedy and more talking about their lives. Careers successes and failures. Hey, everybody. Welcome to. That's what she said with Sarah Spain, my guest this week is Shelley Smith longtime ESPN, or it's such a great conversation with her and was really fascinating to hear about sort of her career before and after her cancer diagnosis is we really talked about being likable versus demanding respect and how you can control what you can control and not worry about the other things she's been in the business for so long. And I respect her so much that I loved picking her brain about the choices she's made from the very beginning to now. And as she got her new deal what she was still working on this far into her career what she still works on to this day. And what's changed for her since battling cancer, including a reconciliation with Kobe? That is sort of surprising. I think you guys are like that store. It's interesting. Here's my interview with Shelley Smith. That's what she said. I am so excited for this week's guest a legend who has been with ES. And for longer than I can do the math on when I tried in my head based on her start date five time, EMMY winner John Saunders spirit award winner. Wise woman of the year William Randolph Hearst award winner. Jack-of-all-trades at ESPN. You could see our Monday night football, east, sixty sportscenter reporting on pretty much every sport every team every player, and I'm just so excited to talk about all the different things that got her here and some of the obstacles shoes overcome recently, Shelley Smith. Oh, my God so excited to chat. He last long enough to give you a word. That's what how no because that William Randolph. Hearst award was a long time ago. I know you didn't even have to laugh that one early. Let's start at the beginning. Tell me about your childhood and what kind of kid you were. And was this inevitable that should be this great reporter? You're so nice, man. That's a good day to bump up my ego. I was a regular nerdy kid who just kind of fell into it. I actually when I think about it. I was sports editor of my middle school newspapers, which I don't know how that happened. And then I went to college, and I was going to be a business major 'cause I was really good at typing, and I thought that would be an excellent career move. And instead took a journalism one on one, par course and loved it. It was taught by a reporter from the two Moines Register John fryer and absolutely fell in love with the process with passion the curiosity. And I think that's what's field me. All these years is just a natural curiosity for whatever it is. It's going on. I have to find out why I just need to know why. So that's that's how I've lasted almost thirty years in this business. Yeah. Curiosity is. I think like the number one things in this business. So you editor of the sports part of your middle school paper. So that tells me that there was. Sports interest from very young age. What do you attribute that was that a family, my mom? I'm was the biggest football fan. I know she passed away in August. And she bled Bronco, orange and blue and the Brassica red and white which is why ended up going to Nebraska, and I became the sports editor of the daily Nebraskan, the first female sports as are there. Yeah. So there's a lot of those types of things, but my mom she and I were in a betting syndicate, we were called double trouble. And we never went any money, but we had more. She says it's important to beat your friends. It was just with the local the local bar, and she says it's important to beat your friends. So that was our goal every week was to be our friends, and we really didn't we were terrible. But we tried hard. I love. Share that. Yeah. To share that with your with your mom and ended up at at Nebraska, your editor of the of the paper there. I I'm just fascinated in general with because as a woman in the industry, we talk a lot about how far we've come right? And how many women when you open doors for the women that are starting out today. But at the same time, the fact that I can say, oh, I was the first to do extra. Why means that despite all the time that we've been saying we're getting better and better they're still so many barriers. So kind of take me through how you see it differently. Or maybe something that stands out to you from when you were trying to break in college and just after versus how you see it. Now, are there are there anecdotes or moments that you distinctly remember where you had to push? Oh, yeah. I mean, not from a discriminative to send word point of view. But just think where I had to work harder than anyone else. And I think that want still here because I do work harder than most people. I know and I don't want anyone else because I know the people were really hard to as you do use their you're you're doing as many jobs as me. But you know, I got on the Sports Illustrated for the eighty eight Olympics in Korea, for example, they saw some of my work that I sent them files. I was living in Japan at the time, I decided to take advantage of the Americas who were training Japan. So I would write them files on the wrestlers and the sumo wrestlers and the archery team and all those things, and they just they said, well, yeah, we're gonna hire you for the Olympics and my beat was drug control. And you're too young to remember Ben Johnson. But he does I I do have been watching my Olympic the whole my whole life. I was always in. Oh, yeah. Well, he he tested positive after winning the hundred and was basically sent home I jumped on a plane with him in the middle of the night commercial flight, they wrote me out tickets at the gate. That's how long ago that was nineteen eighty eight and flew with him to New York and got the first interview with them. 'cause I was you know, those those planes. Are you sit up you can sit up on top, and you can look down. Right. It's two two ducks double decker plane. He. He was sitting below me. And I was above him. I just waited until he had to get up and go to the bathroom. You know? It's a fourteen hour flight I'm gonna have to get up at some point. And so he did and then my pal, and I got him to talk about he lied spent the whole next hour lying as I'm on my knees on his sitting in the jump seat. And there was no there for me. So I'm sweating, and I'm dying. So I got that. And it was the greatest feeling in the world with the get off that plane and at this time there were hundreds and hundreds of TV cameras and reporters out on the tarmac waiting for the plane to arrive and I walked off and walked right through them and went to the Sports Illustrated office and types it on my electric typewriter, but I'm a good type of. So I was able to get it done and finish in time for the issue. So that was pretty much the highlight of my life, and I've been working for thirty years trying to top it, and I haven't gotten close, but I haven't faced in that ten. How old were you at this point? I was born in fifty eight and this was eighty eight. So I was thirty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's interesting to me because I I've talked to a lot of people on this podcast of varying jobs within the industry, and I'm sort of fascinated by the news breakers. It's restful, right. And it's such an adrenaline it. I've always asked because and this is this is the perfect one for you. Because I have never heard a single person even on Twitter say a bad word about you. Which is remarkable positively surrounding you as a person as an as an employee's. Unbelievable. So you strike me as someone who is very pathetic. When when you get cancer people start to be nice nuts when they were making before that too. Although. That I could see that. But so I guess, you know, I've always struggled with the idea of the, you know, the the stories that I've done that are more serious and investigatory are usually with happy endings, or at least with the best intentions. How do you as a kind person who is empathetic, and and and in thoughtful, and and all that reconcile breaking story or telling a story that's going to negatively affect the life of the athletes, even if that person's actions have brought it on themselves. Yeah. I that doesn't have them very often. Because I always say as long as I'm there on our accurate and professional. I don't really care what kind of an effect. It has on that person. Obviously the long feature I did which was on which was nominated for an EMMY last spring Skyla ru is a different story because we had a very nice fun friendly relationship. And then she switched, but she's got mental illness and ended on a very bad sour note. And I still worry about that. I worry about her. I worry about what she's doing. We tried to offer her some help until there were to go for shelters, and she just didn't wanna do it. She liked the fresh air. But so that one is about the only one that I have thought more about you know, how can we have ended this better? But she's sick. And she needs medication, and you can't force her to do that. So recently, I reconciled with Kobe Bryant of speaking of people I didn't. Talk to for twelve years because he was upset with the story. I did on his rape trial. And I was down down at the chargers camp. And his office is in the chargers camp and all out of the blue he'd see me walking down the hallway and came up, and he said a showing in there and all the reporters were just like. Yeah. And and so he he walked in. And and we hugged it up, and we talked, and we it was very surreal experience. And I drove home in silence. That's some Costa Mesa, and that's difficult. Yeah. 'cause I was shocked, but I'm glad that we had a meeting of the minds. We neither one of us apologize. Neither one of us had anything. I certainly didn't have it in twelve to apologize for everything. I did I was happy with how I handled myself and the reporting and the professionalism, and he just took it wrong. I'm just gonna leave it that. Yeah. But you know, so let's we made up we reconciled, and I I hope someday I'll be able to get back to sky and. She she what she's up to kinda hope to do that sin. Yeah. So what was your first job out of Nebraska? Well, let's see I was I was it. The AP was a staffer at the world herald office. It was the AP bureau though. And a that was great training. You know, you learn how to think on the fly right on the fly dictate stories. I can remember running to a grain elevator explosion. And then running to the nearest farmhouse to find it. Please mayor borrow your phone, please. And then dictating the story and also at a murder trial, the verdict came in and I was on a payphone. And you know, it's just it's like, you know, the old movies right up you when you see reporters in with the thing in their hat, and that that was me that was a lot of fun. It was great training ground, and I still rely on on my ability to think quickly and right quickly and broadcasts quickly. It's important that we're able to do that. Yeah. So you spend eight years at Sports Illustrated and also a couple years at what's the Pacific stars and stripes in Tokyo. It's the military newspaper, and you end up why this was after the long. Yeah. I was living in Lincoln, Nebraska. I was tired. I was cold. I needed to go somewhere back when they used to have editor and publisher. And they would advertise jobs there. I saw job for an assistant sports editor in Tokyo. And I just applied for it. And what after they hard three of us about the same time. Assistant news editors and sports editors and off. I went and never looked back. It was an exciting time. It was really fun. It was the day before CNN and before USA today. So everybody got their news, especially their sports news from stars and stripes. And so I started covering things there what out to golf tournaments tennis tournaments. I did everything I could to get out of the office to go cover something. And they were great to me. What a cool adventure for. Sure. Yeah. Well, all right. So you come back here at the San Francisco Examiner. Then you're at Sports Illustrated was leaving Sports Illustrated, a choice because you wanted at the time you did a little bit of ESPN Sports Illustrated the same. Right. I don't know how I got away with that. But yeah, that's a nice. I don't like who who I work for today. You know, right. Hey, Hank gathers dies who do I call out into? ESPN in the end. It was it was very obvious decision. For me to go to SPN and leave the magazine the magazine had been my dream job. And I loved working there. And I think most Mark mobile doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he did where it's a magazine, but it became obvious that ESPN was the way to go television was the way of the future, and I would still writing. So it was the best of all worlds. I just I missed my friends at the magazine, and we're still friends to this day. But it was it was the right choice, obviously. So you get to ESPN, and obviously you were writing for the magazine. Whereas were you originally on just for writing or did they anticipate not always no vision reporting and on on the scene for everything? Yeah. It was. It was TV. I and they signed me up for ten stories of first year and then twenty second year, and then it got to be we need we need to full-time. We need you in LA as our. LA reporter. And so I've been here for twenty some odd years almost almost thirty years in LA, and you know, a lot of big stories have happened here, which is great and fun not fun to hang gathers died, but it was the fun. It's the chase of of capturing the big story, and that was one of my that was for Sports Illustrated. Actually that was the one of the two covers I did loud. Saito was the other and and then it became al-tv. And then it became OJ Simpson. And then Kobe Kobe Bryant's and then I don't want bring up all these trials. But there was also the Lakers chat Couve years on us. And now with the Rams and the Super Bowl, it's kind of has an old styled feel to it. Yeah. For sure there's probably a lot of very interesting stories that are gonna come out about the sort of, you know, the the fans of the Rams before they left and now they're back in here. We are again in kind of connecting across generations some of that. That which will be good. Well, everyone loves her front runner. You know? So I mean it soon as they when they started winning though. Over from one. I lived in LA, I have a friend who was a Rams fan all along was a fan of theirs in Saint Louis because his grandfather had been a fan. And so that was that was no matter where they were that was going to be as team. So I'm happy for for guys like that that stuck it through the lean years n team leaving and coming back. You know, I wonder you, you go all over your in different locker rooms, you're indifferent. Coaches offices. You're talking to athletes current and retired and whatnot. How big of a difference? If any have you noticed in general in terms of the way, you're treated an amateur? It's hard because now everybody knows who you are. And you've got this great resume. So maybe just being a young. And starting out woman is different, of course. But just in general, I'm sure there's the off handed jerk still. But does it feel like a big difference? In terms of being welcomed. It does. I mean, I think about your name tweet story all the time. And how you enjoy did that and and how tough that must've been, but I don't really have that side anymore. I mean, people used to make fun of my parents and all that, and then I got cancer. And then everybody loves me. But I think being at ESPN has created more of a cat cat shave for me than my name. It's because you know, ESPN carries a lot of respect with it. And I think once you're with the SPN and people understand that you've been business, and there's no ulterior motives for you being where which impact I think there there were when I started out. I was just newly engaged and was really cute. I was a lot cuter than I am now and a lot of one not everybody. Well, I didn't have much choice. All right. But you know, what? I'm sure people had wondered why was there? In fact, I was called into the forty Niners office once and Jerry Walker God love him. I do love him. And he said we've had complaints even looking in the locker room and looking I said young looking to find out who I'm supposed to talk to because you know, the game locker room is position is different than in the practice locker room. So you have to look around to find the numbers of the guys you need to talk to right? And I broke down in tears. I hate myself for breaking down and tears. But that's just what I did. You know, I was thirty straightening thirty one. Yeah. And you know, there were times like that. And they were times like, you know, what are you doing here, or why are you here in the Welsh remember him saying to me, you seem certainly seem to thrive on your job is to this day. Not know what that means. I don't know if he meant it as a compliment where he was being insulting. And I guess I'll never know 'cause he passed away. But it's a lot different now. And there's so. Oh, many women in this business. And it's so great to go out. And see I I'm teaching now to USC two classes. And it's so refreshing to see these young girls who don't just wanna be sideline reporters because I said, I would shoot them. It's not was answer. 'cause there's so much more. You can do right and be a sideline reporter. I mean. Sure, it'd be a sideline reporter. But also do step further studio do features. Do this do radio podcasts. Like you are. I mean, you really grabbed the business by its workers, and and taking advantage of opportunity in there's so much opportunity out there not just in front of the camera. But behind the cameras, well, and I encourage anybody who wants to produce or be in sports TV find the job behind the camera. It's just as fun as being in front of the camera, and it's less nerve wracking. And he don't to put on bake I bake on lashes or do your much time and they make up chair. Right. Right. Exactly. You know, you're right. I mean, I think even since about ten years ago when I was first in the in the locker rooms in Chicago, I'm not in the locker rooms very often now because it's not the stories that. I'm doing I'm doing radio and TV whatever from afar, but very similar. I mean, I I was I I was treated like crap. And and then when I got hired by ESPN and went back to the same places. There was this all of a sudden, oh, you must actually be good at this. If you got hired by spin. It's just so frustrating that that's what's necessary. Right. The assumption for any guy who walks in is that they know what they're doing until they prove to you otherwise. And it's the opposite for women. The assumption is that we we don't know what we're doing. And we're some two bit hussy looking for a man until we prove that we're going to what we do as much as it felt very rewarding. When I went back in and some of the people who were jerks to me before said, oh, I saw you on Obermann. This was greater. I watched you on this. You know, your store that was great. It's still was annoying because it was like you were so rude to me before and dismissive and judgmental and questioning me yet and now here in back, and now that you've seen that I'm actually good at what I do. Now, you're going to be nice, which is better than I guess, the alternative but frustrating, and so it's not totally fixed. Unfortunately, yeah. When it comes to that. I think I wouldn't wanna be younger starting out right now. I think it'd be incredibly difficult. But easier than you when you were coming up. There's more of us. Right. Wouldn't you say well, yeah. There are more of those. But I think it's harder to prove. Because there are so many people out there blogging, and you know, websites, and he just don't know where anybody's from or what they're worth is. Even though there are more of us out there. Right respects, just come. Yeah. Automatically. Yeah. For you know, you don't you don't question unless I'm just really really stupid, you don't question their motives or their reasons for being there because I don't know anybody who would go there for fun, right? Still very, you know. Oh, really not that much fun to go in the locker room. It really is especially not hockey the first time you walk. Oh, the smell. Yeah. So I'm curious because this is something that I and you're sort of you know, the Jews got it all figured out. I God constantly thinking about and this is becoming a, you know, a national topic now because of several women announcing they're running for the presidency, but this idea of likeability, and how much matters for women, and I think some qualities that cause people to think someone is in charge or successful or deserving of respect are inherently things that men can do without be considered unlikable and women cannot so at various moments when you need to be given respect or you need someone to do a job for you. Or you need someone to get you information that you need or whatever it is. How do you balance? This idea of if I were and I hate to you. I'm not gonna use any specific examples, but I'm picturing sometimes, you know, some of the more well known radio stars in sports at ESPN and other places that have this. Swagger about them. And I think if I acted like that when I need something around the radio department, it would not be well received, right? But then, but then by always trying to be nice and easy to work with 'em. I making everybody think I'm less important less powerful, less deserving less accomplished. Right. How do you balance that? I think you just have to be who you are. And you can't suck up all the time. And you can't pound the hammer all the time. You just gotta be who you are. And don't change for anything or anyone, and I've always been that way. And I've always or crying works, really. Well, too. Straight down and cry and they'll push arteries, but I've just always been myself. And I've never worried about what people thought sure I read some of the mean stuff that people wrote and then, but then after I got cancer, and everyone was so caring and loving. I would wake up the middle of night. And I would read my tweets because they were so nice people were so nice. But I understand what you're saying. I just refused to accept it. I just refused to be any other than anything. I am. I'm not going to be. I'm not going to be someone else. Just because I want to be liked, and I'm not going to be someone else because I have to on just gonna be me. And I that's the best of ice. I can give you would tell anyone any coach player. Oh, I just be yourself. It is the best and going with my gut has always led me in the right direction. Most part. It's just I think sometimes there's this idea of this is the way I want the world to be. So this is how I'm going to be and then eventually run up against walls that you can't fix. And so whether you need to be aware of the world that you're in in order to better navigate it is my only concern, right? I would love just being me, and and taking control and being a powerful successful woman not ever apologizing for it or making sure that I make people comfortable because I'm a woman like I wish that that wasn't something I had to think about, but I sometimes think if I'm not aware of these things that surround me these bosses or these people that wanna stand in my way, and how I need to interact with them. I might be less successful by virtue of one in the world to be away. It's never going to be. All you can do is try as hard as you can every single day to get better and worry about what you can control and not what other people control. So if you can work. I I've spent all day today researching a player probably gonna go do story on. But you know, I couldn't didn't have to do that, you know. But I just work every single day to be the best person. I can be and be nice to someone. I. I don't want to my home. But I just I just try to do. Nice things for people. Just because it's a good makes me feel good. And it's a good thing to do. And I just worry. I don't worry about anything. I just try to get better every day. I get smarter. Get more knowledgeable understand the subject better understand the player better understand the coach better, you know. And there's a lot of things I fail a lot of things. I'd not good at, but I try and I think that's all you can do is try to do your best and get better every single day. Yeah. I think controlling what you can control is just the best advice work, really hard and be so good that they can't deny the can't turn you down. And and if you can't control it can't worry about it. I guess let's talk about the cancer. Because you brought it up a couple of times part of you. It's nice to be loved. It's nice to be treated. Well. And Pat, people be kind it almost sounds like maybe there's a little bit of. Bitterness though that that's what caused people to be kind to you. Is that true? Well, I know that's why Kobe's started talking to me again I to build out right back. But I don't I don't care. And I do know it's why Twitter people are being 'cause it's hard. You can't be mean to somebody who has cancer. I mean what you just or someone had angered it out. But thanks. I never underestimate. Tweets for like, you know. It's fine. And and I and I joke about it. Because it did all it took was we'd have three different kinds of cancers stroke to have Kobe start talking to me they did. So and he laughs about it too. And and the first time we kind of reconciled was the year of his last year, and it was at media day. And he said, we have you know, we've been through you've been through too much to go through this. And I'm like, yeah. Remember kidding? But he he was charming, and he was nice, and it was perplexing. But people are nicer when they know you're struggling, and they know you have problems that they could possibly have themselves or the family. You wouldn't believe how many people spam Leigh's are touched by cancer. It's my mom this or my sister. Yeah. You probably do. But it's when they can appreciate you on a different level and what you're going through. It feels good. It really did feel good. And I like I said I joke about it all the time. You know, you get old you get awards, you get cancer you get awards, but just people wanna make you feel good. And that's that's a really nice feeling to have. Yeah. Let's talk about you. You just before your diagnosis two months before your diagnosis you signed a new deal. But at one point he SPN came to you, and you've been open about that. And said we might not resign. You we need you to be better at ledge shots for some people. It's very natural right people. They say have never had coaching just feel comfortable. I'm thankfully, one of those people. I don't really get nervous. Probably should more often. Right. I should probably be aware of the stakes more. You're dead. You could throw me anywhere. And I'll be like, oh, whatever what's the worst. That can happen if Mr.. And then other people and I love Kate Fagin shoes. So good at her job. And she shocked me when she told me once how nervous she would get for something like around the horn. What why you're brilliant? You're smart. You nail it every day. So it's not about your how good yards just sometimes how you how you process Roach it. And so you had to go learn how to release the stress to just be yourself. Right. Yeah. I think I was over thinking things, and I was trying to memorize stand up and the worst absolutely worst day was up at the forty Niners like call Jim Harbaugh. Jim McMahon ever get it. It was the worst moment of my career Todd Sherry Greenberg jumped up she's a producer. Just scared. The hell out of me. I knew I had something on. But I could not recover. I couldn't fix it. And I enjoy Frederickson was my boss at the time, and she called me right after which didn't help by the way, called me right after and said, are you? Okay. And I was like, I'm yeah. And then it was right after that. But I got called in and they. Said look we need to get better at lights out or this'll be your last contract which scared the living daylights out of me. And I went to a talent coach. So I knew there were serious 'cause they paid me to go to Dallas and go to bury Nash and his daughter Barrett and bury Nash in in one Skype session said to me just be yourself. Oh, okay. So I did he goes now is not the time to pull back. So I went down there for a coaching session and killed absolutely killed it. And then I came back, and it was the Dennis Winston trial. I get a lot of trials. I like Charles Jameis Winston, and it was high profile and I killed it there. And I think ESPN was surprised that I became so much better. Just because I suddenly didn't care as much. I crazy wings. They told you your career depends on this. And you were like all right. Cool org. I'm just gonna try not to stress so much about something that you've just explicitly told me means it never has before. I know it's crazy. And so from from then on I just signed a new three or contract. I if I could say that. But I just did just now dot yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. And so I was a really only hoping to get to sixty two. I guess I'm going to exceed three and my agents like all you're gonna work play with seventy. I said, oh, no strike me. As someone that's gonna stop anytime soon. Well, I don't know twenty hour days ago. Yeah. And I had to to hip I had a hip replacement and a knee replacement and my mom died. It's been a really tough year. I'm looking for a good two thousand nineteen and your dog doghouse surgery. I mean my dog. Dog was not immune. And to keep her to crepe per month. Awful the worst. It's awful not I get here. How did you know that why don't you know, my? Ro border. You did a front row detailing your, you know, your. Right included, a shot of your dog in the in the in the symbol. Today. I did something. Nice today. I took the stroller over two elderly women who has two little bonds that she couldn't take out the same time. Now, you can't wasn't rape and stroller. That's so that made me feel good good. And you're done person. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thought about crazy dog person. And where is Kate? Now, did she she took a another job somewhere. You know what I haven't heard yet? Well, right now in Paris with her wife living the dream. So that's good. I haven't heard about her officials step yet. So I'm hoping when she picks it. Yeah. Yeah. And her book to write love on her arms is just crushing. Yeah. It's really what made Mattie run. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. Hey, everybody, don't forget to go to ESPN and apple podcasts and subscribe to. That's what she said was Sarah Spain. So you always have the latest episode. 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They can get and she was young. She was like thirty. And I said, no, I haven't got 'em nanogram awhile. I should go. And so I went and it was during the Western Conference finals. And I remember my doctor calling me, and and it was it was the day of the NBA lottery. And he says we need you to come back in because we think we found a small bit of cancer in your left Brett, oh, what pets of the Lakers? Get. I said, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? That's what you're gonna ask me in the middle of tell them you have cancer. Oh my Lakers. Get you quack. Oh, man. So and so I found out I flew back to Oklahoma City because there was nothing else to do. And I finally got my team together. And that's what gave me the most peace. And that's why I encourage everyone when you're facing any kind of a crisis to develop a plan and then follow it. You can be but follow it one put in front of the other. And that's what I did. I found my on colleges. I bet my wig person which I never were. But I did everything I found the radiologist I found everything I need to do. And I went for exploratory something or other up at Stanford. And then I started an anti estrogen drug, which shrunk the tumor enough to have a lumpectomy rather than a mistake to me. So I deal with reconstruction. It was terrifying. Until I got the plan. I got my plan down on my arm. Good and my girlfriends came out, and you know, Holly. Rowe went back to where it God lever and hers was way worse than mine. Hers was seem canton melanoma. And I said not me. Late on the couch and watch all seven seasons the west wing. I guess when I was sick. But I hadn't actions, and I had all kinds of stuff going on. So it wasn't as easy as I remember it now, but it was it was terrifying. And I do a lot of work now with the foundation and the American Cancer Society, which I love and trying to spread the message of early detection. So I just got another mammogram. I just got the letter saying, I'm all clean. So it'll be almost five years. That's great. So. Yeah. At original diagnosis, you know, I've read plenty of stories with you talking about it. And you know, you talked about going back to work with the bald head and how you like old head it meant that you had a fight. And there were a lot of people around you that didn't get the chance to fight diagnosis came and good man here. So good. You got all this stuff. Well, remember standing on trying to hook you. But but just to be able to articulate that you feel fortunate that you have a fight. And was that was that a point of view you had really early on? Because you said, it was terrifying. It's going to be terrifying for everybody, but that's a very positive attitude and a way of looking at it how long into the diagnosis and the treatment. Did you say this is this is how I'm going to deal with this publicly on personally? I found out in may. And I had all my ducks in a row by those. And then I thought well, maybe I should announce it on Twitter on October first 'cause it's breast cancer day. And in the meantime, Stuart Scott was getting worse, and my really good friend Bryan Burwell died, and I thought thank God. I have a fight. And what a better way to show people that I have a fight in my oncologist encouraged me so people on the air balled. You will encourage women all over that. First of all, there's no stigma being bald of losing your hair when you have cancer, and that you have a fight and you were fighting, so he was very inspirational in me doing that. And he said, but I wanted to tattoo made by Dr Chan on your forehead. Okay. Maybe that's what I did. And it was great. The best part was I was on the beaches of Honolulu casino pink from NFL network was next to me, and her hair was blowing all over the place sucking on lipstick stuck in the gloss. We've all been there. Yeah. Well, I was just like, hey blow away, you know? So I was very liberating very liberated. You know, I have to say nobody, of course, would ever ask for cancer. But the sort of perspective it gives people is remarkable a friend who has a young son just lost her husband on the day. She started chemo and everything she posts everything she says, and she admits to the dark moments in the low moments too. But it's inspiring to everybody who who doesn't you know, we all wish you didn't have to get that low for your perspective to change that you don't wanna have to have this incredible challenge in order to see it. But sometimes there's no way to artificially find that other than to go through something like this. And so it is sort of remarkable to see people be positive in in the face of these things. Yeah. And and my biggest problem was even if you're positive, and I don't have an. Answer this yet. They're positive people die too. Yeah. And I don't have an answer. Stuart Scott was the most positive person. I think I've ever met. I mean, he was working out. He was doing all this. But he died. So how do you explain that one? And then accept better ways. Yeah. It's just it's a better journey if you're positive that. I do know. And if God takes you then God takes you. You know, that's just sort of the way it is. But whatever you believe in if it's your time. It's your time. But but he was really positive. So that's what I struggle with those two is you know, what happened to the positive people. Right. It's probably a combination of both right? The psychosomatic help that you get from being positive that affects your body in positive ways. Yeah. But it still I think right, medical, right? It's still going to be science and wherever not your body fights it enough to to combine with your mind to to fully to fully beat it. You gotta melanoma agree diagnosis after that initial one good. And then you were in what state? Of recovery remission, otherwise in two thousand seventeen game one of the NBA finals stroke in the locker room of the warriors where you believed yourself to be in remission or curator. Yeah. You're not you're not really ever in remission. Everyone likes to use. That term are you know, usually four or five years or this is three years out. I think and it wasn't a direct result of the chemo making my blood clot, which somebody. Nobody told me. Idea that my comply easily. Yeah. And so what happened was I was in the middle of the warriors locker room when I was walking around and doing what I do. And all of a sudden, I couldn't talk. I could only go and Raj Shah was there. He tried to hand me my phone, and I dropped it. 'cause I couldn't move the right side of my body and. Pardon me. The is that without a producer of yours. Yeah. Producer here in LA Rosh. Aw. Right. And he grabbed me and call the trainers and the trainers callers grabbed me and put me in the training room and pin me down. All I wanted to do sit up, and I couldn't move, and I couldn't talk, and they were everyone was terrified. Everyone was just completely terrified and everybody around me, and they got aspirin in my blood right away. But I still didn't come out of it. And they got me in the MTV's. I mean, how fortunate in that? Like you were saying, you're a stroke it in the women. Yeah. My mom. My husband's mom had one. And she was already at the office for something else. And it was so lucky. So the fact that you were surrounded by trainers and medical staff, and yeah who knew what to do and recognize the signs because I would have just been like along fine, leave me alone and got me to the hospital, and I was still in the throes of the stroke because I couldn't move, and I couldn't talk and the dog they wheelies doctors around on computers. Hearings is very strange. And so the docking comes in on this computer screen, and he's like move your right arm. And for the first time, I looked down and my arm wasn't moving. And that's what I've heard and within twenty minutes. I was out of it. He goes, oh, he looked much better now. And I said, yeah, I feel much better. I can talk now I can move, and and I should not have to go because I have a lot of shot at four him. Like, all you're on. No, no. I do. I do have really good information. You know and ESPN was really freaked out. And they were so nice Georgetown, who's the head of security out here in LA piece of we're gonna get someone to drive you home, and he stood at the hospital, and everyone has it finally kick everyone out because we were making so much noise laughing, and you know, just. It was very strange evening. But my they flew my daughter in and she came and we're able to fly home. Yeah. That's a couple of days. So, but it was scary. And now, I'm on blood thinners. So that's why I'm always called. Yeah. Balloon that's a whole other thing. Right. We know all about and other things. So you know, you. You're obviously motivated to work, right? You've got the live shot that you're trying to say that you're going to go do this. And I was reading about your recent this past December Saturday in Denver Sunday in LA, you know, before that you're doing the chargers camp. How much friends or family or ESPN asked you to slow down 'cause traveling especially the risk for blood clots with flying his worse. You know? And how much of that? Do you? Listen to. Well, none really none. Everyone knows that. I go to my on speed. And if I get tired, if I get cranky, which I do I will let them know. But I I haven't I, you know, I love to work. I love to go on there's nothing better. And you know, this there the chase of a story. There is no other feeling you were referring to earlier the adrenaline. You get even if feature story that I'm working on. Now, I'm all fired up. I I wanna go, you know. So it's it's what drives me every day is to try to equal that get on the plane with been Johnson moment and fly to New York with him and get the first story or even to get a little piece of information that no one else knows like the way the warriors had lost a couple of years ago, the first round of the Western Conference finals, and everyone was worried and shaken and Steph curry was sitting over in the corner of the towel over had reading, and I kind of saddled up to him and said what? He reading and thinking would be some sort of inspirational motivational book, and he goes my fan mail. And I said why he goes because it makes me feel good like that. This is cute. And so that's the kind of stuff I love to get. And then I went on with it at four o'clock this morning the next morning, right? So that's what keeps me going even though it's a little bits of stuff like that. But I'm not going to slow down and maybe interiors, but not gonna go. We'll we'll too much out that getting them. We'll see if you win. Well, just being obviously keeps you very busy. You've also written three books. You wrote a book with Keyshawn Johnson. Just give me the damn ball. You wrote with her med words you play to win the game. And then games girls play lessons to guiding and understanding young female athletes. I love the title of the third one off to check that out. But the first to how do you engender yourself to someone enough or create a relationship in which they decide that you're the person they want to write this with. Well, I have known since he's in high school, and I had done. I did a story for Sports Illustrated on high school team he was out of high school at that point. But he just bug the hell out of me into would come around and wanted to in the story. You know, we're doing sequel now so he ever decides to call call me back. So I just it became he and are like one not we changed one of those lives and skeets. His trusty sidekick, we're all like family, and it's it's a remarkable story. Really? And and then her med words. I just had the same kind of vision that he did as far as what his like lessons. Book would be. And that's what really what it is is like when you're dealt with the situation. What do you do? And so he and I became friends. You know, you just the Keyshawn thing is different because we had known each other for so long, and I been trying to write a book with accumulated show on but we could sell it. And he said only only a large one I'll do a book with you. And I was like, yeah. Right, whatever. And then he ends up being the first pick in the draft. And we do this diary. And then they go one in fifteen. It was moral. It was horrible whereas teeth out of his mouth. I sit there listening on his phone conversations to find out what he was thinking. And it was just that's why the sequel will be fun because he's going to actually participate. But. You know, you just and I was gonna do one on L. They we'd sold it, and then allied, and a lot of people aren't going to talk about this until I have all the notes, and I have all my research, but I kind of given up on that because it's just tough to hard. Yeah. There's so much information. That's that's airy for a good book and for people to feel like they're learning things. And and. Jane Levy, who were the big fella. I have so much admiration for her, and it's up for national book award and on Babe Ruth, which is tremendous book. Find all that news yet to find. Yeah. Mation a big story with Magic Johnson back in the day. And I ended up co founding the Magic Johnson foundation newsletter does that still exist? I don't think so okay on that for a while. And then it got into couple of charity organizations like the Serapio giving homes to aids victims was that all stemming from the relationship created by working with magic on that story. I don't remember that was that was a while ago. It was I somehow I think it was met somebody, and then they wanted my home. So I hope without. And my daughter is interesting now works at the boys and Girls Club where I used to volunteer and I still wrong. She. Yeah. She's now in charge of the high school program. So it's all kind of come full circle. But yeah, it's important to to give as much as you can. And it's really hard because of my travel schedule, but again little things like when giving the old lady down the street my Donnelly roller every day. Yeah. I just I I find it interesting because I do think, you know, you you end up getting very close to people whose stories you tell and then you learn about something that you didn't know about there's a girl that I meant to her. And I learned that most hearing aids aren't covered by insurance. So we started a charity to help give young. Oh my gosh. Junior in high school athletes hearing aids, so they can keep playing I did a gronk in a in a boy with a rare epilepsy disease that causes seizures multiple times a day and had to learn all about that. And you know for someone who has your job. It's it's taxing and tiring to take on the empathy and the pain of the people that you're working, you feel great and their story. But it's a lot. The story did about the young man who pan out his father was the coach. Yeah. Yeah. That was something. She how did you find that one? My friends skip was his team mate in college. Actually. So not that long after they found out. He came to me and said, you gotta tell this so young family breathtaking. Yeah. That was great. It was a good story and everyone's happy those are the ones I like to tell. Yeah, they fill you up. The other one's doing sometime at you. Yeah. Exactly. All right. Let's do a quick speed round. Because I have a couple that I want to get to. Okay. So in all of your career favorite person to cover. Oh, I don't know that I can narrow down when Charles Barkley. Oh. I love him. He's just favorite coach to cover. Carol. Who is someone in the industry that you watch them do their job, and you still learn from or you take note and say, oh, that's good. I should do that. Or I should think about that. Everyone. Everyone you Rachel Keith Olbermann. You know? I mean, everyone you can always learn something from someone. So I watch everything and try to learn what I can't in. That's a good attitude the most rewarding story or maybe beat that you were ever on. USC football when they lost the Texas in the championship game my daughter and I ended up doing thirty for thirty on that season. I was really fun to work together, she vocal work. But no. But now, she's at the boys and Girls Club. Yeah. Yeah. She gets too long story going. Who what would you say is the most challenging story or beat that you were ever on? Oh, there's been a lot. But I have never landed. I was just talking with. Anne, Marie Anderson. I'm on those, you know, her she used to be a producer ESPN and she's now reported play by play reporter. And we were chasing a story in Arizona. It was state football player kill the kid that was in the car talking to his girlfriend, and we couldn't get anyone to talk. Couldn't get them on. We couldn't get anything. So we ended up not doing this story. And we had we spent weeks on it. So that was really frustrating. And part of the reason was victims. Mom, I don't know the shooters mom didn't want to talk to me. 'cause you heard I didn't like black people because right after the Kobe trial, and and black America was really down on and not much. You can do to refute that. But that was a tough one. We were just talking about that. And and the world is putting all that work, and it doesn't there's no payoff. That's exhausting. Right. It is it is often just talking. But there's there's been a few like that where just eat just work work work man's? I tell was really different weird story. You know, I found the people who catfish him, but threes than we didn't get the story was because deadspin got it first because they figured it out before we did. But I was a tough one too. But I I always I remember, and I don't know why this one always stands out to me. But I remember there was a writer for I wanna say, gee, q I think was Chris Jones or something that wrote. This lengthy amazing piece on the zoo in zanesville where the crazy guy had all the animals that he ended up letting go and they were running all over and like two days before it hit somebody for another magazine. There's and I remember thinking, oh my God. I would and so when we were doing the story for east sixty and my and my dot com story about the chiefs coach we were like, no one can tell anyone anything because if you can't like here's we're doing an east sixty on the running backs coach for the chiefs. They're immediately going to start digging and we're like. Crossing for months because it was like this just won't be quite as good. If people already know what happened. So so, yeah, I see how that Louis frustrating for deadspin to figure it out as you're hot on the trail. And so. But your story was mazing. Thank you wish. I would have talked to you for them before. Now tell you that what's the what's one of the biggest lessons that you learned over the years of your job that has maybe changed your approach, whether that's your preparation or your actual interviewing or any aspect that you kind of figured out along the way, and it's affected. How you do your job? Now. Get out and go meet people don't hide behind computer screen or the phone or anything and be nice to everybody be nice to the security guards to the team managers to the team equipment guys. Because you never know when one of those guys will be your source on something. And it helps happened the lot at USC, and I'm still friends with people who were there who are the security guards and equipment guys. And when Stefan Johnson dropped a weight on its throat and almost killed themselves. Well. The the wake fell and crushed his larynx. And they rush in the hospital, and I knew about it at just about as quickly as it happened. I knew he was being rushed to the hospital, and I found his mom, and I found the security guy, and I found the equipment guy and was able to get that story. So that's never underestimate the power of somebody that you mean and never treat someone like they're inferior. It's just because he there's a curator guard or an equipment because you just never know of all throng and second of all you don't know when you might. Yeah. But get their number and right in the no book, you know, and it's grand vice and also something I remember even for people who are naturally kind or would wanna be like that. But are always in a hurry. Because I think this job makes us feel like we're always we don't have a lot of time and remembering to take the moments to be kind or to just interact with people even if like you don't have time for that might pay off. Because that's my biggest issue. I'm super social I love hanging out with people and talking to everyone. But when I get in super stress mode. I come across as you know, like uninterested because I'm in my head. I'm already doing the next five things on my list. And so I've been trying to work on that. Yeah. You're you're good at what you do. So whatever you're doing keep doing it's working. All right before I let you go. You have to do the one thing that everybody does. And nobody expects. Spanish. Expects the Spanish inquisition. That's right. The Spanish inquisition. The ten questions. Nobody expects everybody gets number one. The natural talent. You wish you were gifted with Shane. Seeing good answer. It's everyone's answer except for actual. My dad has a beautiful gift of singing and music, and I didn't get any. Oh bummer. Number two. What your desert island album, you can only have one. Crosby Stills Nash and young who. Nice nice number three. If you could switch lives with anyone for a day. Who would it be? No, no, not her Michelle Obama. Ooh. That's a good one. Yeah. Especially right now, she's doing really fun book tour and hanging out with Ono Reese Witherspoon actually got to see her and Oprah in Chicago. It was awful. Number four. What's the most scared? You've ever been. Finding out that day when my doctor called and told me I'd cancer and also asked about the Lakers traffic. Number five. What's the most embarrassed you've ever been when I called Jim Harbaugh? Jim mcmahon. That's that's embarrassing. Not bad. Reporters have killed people by mistake before or said that they talked to someone who's been dead for twenty years. Everybody's got one. Everybody's got. Number six. What would you consider your biggest failure? Oh, it's not really a failure. I guess Alday this book that I have I failed at completing. Yeah. It's not too late though. Right. You never know. No. It's not I I can see the notes from year, right? Oh, you know, maybe co write it with Amy Trask Sheila, I well. And so I know she would be great number seven what habit or quality? Do you think is contributed most to your success? Mike aereo city. Yeah. For sure I remember I wanted to be an actress growing up because I partly said, you get to inhabit different people and learn about their lives and their everything. And then I realized as I switched into journalism and reporting and everything else that I kind of get to do the same thing you still get to constantly learn all the time about a million things you just don't have to beat them. You don't just be them. Learn about them. Talk about them. Yeah. We're right about that. Number eight have you ever been in a fistfight? Oh, yeah. My sister the one daughter. Oh, yeah. No your dog. Nice. Yeah. We got in a fistfight about a year one. Oh, it's a stupid. You know, the stupid, you could you know, you have a few glasses of wine, and then he'd just come out swinging God my sister, and I used to fight all the time. And we would tell my dad would just be sick by it. And he would say that you girls make me sick. And who's got if we were boys? Would you have any problem with us because no you not at all? So. So. It all ended up. Good though, any any random fistfights with strangers are only family members, you got munching for laugh. By Guyana, bars me, a bad name. And I watched him, right? Then they kicked him out of the bar and gave us through drinks, my girlfriend, and I feel good about that was in New York. Aren't you never ever? Remember? Slap bar. You've got to defend yourself. I I agree. Number nine. What's the thing about yourself? You'd most like to improve. I don't know. My parents, I suppose I'd like, no, our and younger and younger. Really? I know it's interesting because I think the older you get you sort of come to terms with with just life. And this is this is the life. This is who I am like I'm gonna make the best of it. But because of being on TV and every other Bs that's one that's really hard to kick. Sometimes because I would say that my biggest my biggest the thing that causes me. The most frustration in life is that I would like to lose weight and like that's so dumb. Like, I think about how lucky I am that. That's my biggest problem. But it also has always made. It bothers me so much. I completely understand. And even if we were perfect Barbie dolls. We would feel probably the way. Of course, I feel that way. When I did look great. We always and it also annoys me because there's so many men wandering around the world that are just like very comfortable. And they're okay. Well, and that's how I wish it's not that. I don't want them to be that way. I just wish I could be too. And it just feels like not available. I wish I didn't want to put eyelashes on every time. I go, right. You know, what I started getting the kind of semi permanent ones their magical because I is getting other it takes to go and every couple of weeks, but I kept trying to do it myself. And I literally would glue my is together and start crying and then have to do the makeup again. And I was like, you know, what I'm just gonna pay for this. All right. Decide your sanity is worth a couple of bucks. Yeah. Isn't hard to find a place to get them. Spill when they start falling. Listen, I'll road, okay. Fina. Joe see the knows every an all country. Yeah. Number ten. What three words would you most hope that people would use to describe you're not necessarily a sentence? They can be three separate words. Kind giving in good. I like those and those are exactly I think probably how people do see you. Because. Very nice never heard a bad word, your you need to talk to my sister. After a while. I was gonna say, I I guess it'd talked your sister and your daughter they had some before. And after the punch. And finally who would you recommend? I should have on the podcast. Who's got a great story to tell her would be interesting to talk to Jake Olsen. Yeah. That would be a really good one a spending. He just nailed the bird box challenge. Just proving to everyone. He did. I don't even know what that is. Will you know, there's the Sandra Bullock movie where if you see the bad things they exist or something or they gray. I haven't actually watched it. But it's it's Spiring all these idiots to like drive with a blindfold and do a variety of other. So unfolded. And worry in nailed because he yeah. Very clever. Very funny. I'm gonna bet it was. I love talking to you know, you're the best barrier. The best I love talking to you. Thank you can keep going on these podcasts. This is really great. Hi, thanks for having me so much. Oh and another thing this week. That's what she read is a little old because the story came up a little bit ago. But I thought it was necessary to talk about it that it was a cool story for S is still check out down ESPN w dot com. Kendall Coyne show feld wishes viral TV stint went differently. It's a story by Emily Kaplan about of course, KENDALL Coyne show Scholefield doing her first analyst gig for NBC alongside Pierre McGuire for a Pittsburgh Penguins. Tampa Bay Lightning game. And you might have heard about it to win a little viral because pure McGuire, though, they have a relationship and KENDALL Coyne said after the fact, you know, he knows her as a hockey player. He respects her. He respects her knowledge. It just didn't appear that way to people watching. He he said, you know, in the in the interaction tamp is going to be on your left. Pittsburgh's going to be on your right? What are you expecting out of this game? We're paying you to be an analyst not to be a fan tonight. It was just the kind of thing that wouldn't come out of his mouth. If he were standing next to a male Olympic. Medal as Taki player who spent their whole life playing the game. And then later a kind of throwaway comment about how she normally has a cage on her on her helmet and her mask when she plays in hilby, her cage tonight, again, this idea of protection, we're feeling like she is someone who doesn't belong there isn't used to being sidelines at a hockey rink. She posted an incredibly brave honest, and very graceful response to all the criticism that Pierre was getting and, you know, did acknowledge that if she was watching at home, she would have been offended tried to explain why she doesn't think he intended it. But it's just as damaging even when the intent isn't there? I think it's really worth reading. So check it out ESPN w dot com. Emily Kaplan, KENDALL Coyne show, feld wishes viral TVs didn't went differently and thanks as always for lasting about an hour with me. That's what she said.

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206 - The Strange Kidnapping of Patty Hearst

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

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206 - The Strange Kidnapping of Patty Hearst

"Today we dissect the OH. So strange kidnapping and subsequent criminal activities committed along with her captors of Patty Hearst Aka Patricia Hearst Aka the daughter of Randolph Hearst Aka the granddaughter of one of the richest men on Earth when he was alive William Randolph hearst. Patty came from so much privilege. She was someone who knew from the moment you could comprehend what money was and what it can do for you that she would personally never want for cash that her financial needs would always be taken care of things to immense family wealth. She lived a sheltered life free from worries and struggles most of the world faces and have always faced at least she did until she was kidnapped at the age of nineteen by these Symbionese Liberation Army a group of Berkeley radicals led by Donald to freeze born into almost opposite circumstances Patricia in Donald's lives would collide when Donald had formed a group of radical militants with some friends. He met in prison decided to kidnap Patty in an attempt to make her wealthy family feed. The hungry of San Francisco a step towards the destruction of what he saw as an evil oppressive American society built on capitalistic greed. Donald wanted to start a revolution and he saw kidnapping the air to a media empire is being a big step towards kick in that shit off and while the revolution. Ever came, it wasn't due to lack of effort. There was no joke. They executed hearst kidnapping with ruthless efficiency and carried out murders, robberies and bombings and Patty hearst not long after her kidnapping began to help commit some of these crimes people around the world watched in awe as the strange story unfolded after patties kidnapping his days turn to weeks and weeks turned into months. They washed his patty. Transition from pleading for her family to bring her home to blaming her family for many of society's ills and telling the world that the La was a noble organization. She was proud to be a soldier within this organization Patricia denounced her family and multiple recorded messages that were played for all of America over the radio claim that she had evolved into comrade of the Revolutionary Force to fight fascists. Why did you do this a psychological condition known as Stockholm Syndrome May, be to blame. It Patty truly enjoy being a member of the SA a sheltered rich girl living life on the wild side is many acclaimed or had her captors truly truly brainwashed her this week we're gonNA talk about some socially turbulent times. The seventies when a bunch of young people cross America outdid themselves to prove who could be the most radical the most militant the most shocking. We're GONNA talk about bombs and FBI raids will detail who patty hearst was who her kidnappers were and will follow her kidnapping and following crimes free as leads into the first trial of the century windy stop being a hostage and start being a member of the gang. Trying to answer this question and more on today's radical militant communist is shit easy bojangles addition of time times. This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to time suck. was. Happy Monday mates sex. Welcome to the cult of the curious you beautiful bastards. He'll Nimrod I'll see my dreams lives Athena. Praise bojangles glory be to triple. M. May yacht rock tour soon, be allowed to once more sailed to sonic season bring their live music to the people. I'm Dan coming suck nasty the masters sucker owner proprietor of skywalker ranch. anti-cull. Coca leader and you're listening to time suck a quick couple messages for stand up comedy fans. I have a new standard. Everywhere you get albums these days, Pandora spotify Itunes, Amazon. It's CETERA. It's called live in Denver afresh recording from right before covid shutdown stand up There's a lot of my favorite bids perform was zero profanity hundred percent safe for everyone. No matter how prudish. WanNa play something some some mixed company of mine worry a lot less about offending anyone. This is the album to play as opposed to say the fish suck or or any other standup album I have showbiz no peanut butter on this one bimbos back hats. So there's that excited to have at least one album to prove to people that I can be funny. If I you know one clean I don't have to be dirty as you just enjoyed. some bad news following my agents advise all of my remaining twenty twenty toxic dot stand up tour dates have been moved to next year. 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Just I don't know. It just sounds like a nightmare and I've talked a bunch of comic friends and they say not fun. Not Not. Fun To do stand up in the current Club environment. Some hoping shit clears up by two, thousand, twenty one and the tour. All the dates are already lined up. Our everything's been moved there should be replacement as for all the dates I was going to do in twenty twenty and really really fingers crossed hoping it's going to happen optimistic. It will sorry again, if this messed up your plans and thanks for continuing to listen to me podcast 'cause I do love this as well. Okay. So also got some new hats in the store bad magic MERCH DOT COM check those out. No Frankenstein sized hats. That will fit like a giant headline at the moment but has the will fit nine percent. Thanks to Logan. Keith art warlock for make him look Oh so good. And and last thing before diving in today's story is set mainly in central California and heart goes out that thousands of people recently displaced by so many crazy fucking fires going on. Man's crazy storms out in the midwest crazy fires on top of everything else this year I'm recording this on Thursday August twentieth. Hopefully, by the time you hear it, these fires are contained. Now, let's get to suck in one hell of a tail. Not, a ton of setup needed for this one, but but decent amount info we're going to go over before we get into the time line we will jump at the time line to get You know feel for cultural events that that lead to SLA's creation kidnapping a hearse demo follow the group's exploits right up to the eventual deaths, a members and incarceration of others will cover patties life and timeline from the time she was kidnapped up until the present day I though I want to feel for hearst family's fortune right? The her family and in who donald the freeze was and why he formed the SLA. It's important to know the M-. The kind of money the Patricia hearst came from on February Twentieth Nineteen Fifty Four Patricia Campbell hearst was born in San Francisco the third of five daughters of Randolph appleton hearst and Catherine Wood Campbell. and. Her and I basically did have the exact same childhood in so many ways while most parents, the nineteen fifties read the newspaper attended the movies, visit museums, patio parents printed the newspapers, created movies and established museums. Normal families voted for or against politicians patio those politicians over for dinner. So same. Her parents were in charge of a media empire. My Mom were two grocery store that did sell some magazines she grew up in a mansion. mainly. Trailers in apartments tomato tomato. She grew up in the bay area full of museums and concerts and culture, and the Hustle and bustle of a major metropolis and I grew up in a small town in Idaho. County. There was the butt of jokes for most people living and other small Idaho County talents because we were even smaller and more backwards than they were She had hired help serving her five course meals I had either whatever my grandparents were cooking at night or had to make my own ham and cheese hot pockets or readers cheese burritos. We both had pools. So okay, that's pretty cool. Sure. Hers was in grounds and heated an enormous and cleaned by professionals in mine came in a box and k. mart and was literally never cleaned not even one time until the garden hose. Then last long because me and my friends ripped to fucking hole thin plastic wall and water poured out and turn part of the art into a swamp real met basically though we live the same life separated only by time just socioeconomic status. I can't relate to her childhood on any level she grew up in so much wealth patty the grew up in just about the highest level of privilege one could grow up in. Northern California's is saying a lot for an area that consistently ranks as one of the top three most expensive city to live in an entire night like like if you grow up part of the elite class of San Francisco, you're going to be part of the elite class pretty much fucking anywhere. You know it's very different than be like one of the wealthiest families in elko Nevada which might not mean shit in in the bay area looking back patty would describe her childhood as really pretty. Perfect. To quote really pretty perfect How many can say that she grew up primarily in the suburb of Hillsborough attended it's crystal Spring School for Girls in the Santa Catalina School in Monterey. Sure both of schools were very similar December high school and junior high right and in school. Teachers you know. she didn't briefly attended the tiny private Menlo College in Atherton California, thirty miles south of San Francisco Atherton known for being one of the wealthiest towns per capita. If not, the wealthiest in America it has the most expensive zip code an entire us. If you WanNa go to Menlo College, it has less than eight hundred total undergraduates. You need a lot of don't. Orlando loans and scholarships tuition alone is forty-five grade of the year. And increasing by couple of thousand every year and you're not gonNA find a cheap place to rent in that area about it is about six grand cheaper than Harvard Nyu if you're looking for a deal. I transferred to the University of California Berkeley, a school her family had very deep connections with several buildings on campus named after various hers family members because they've given so much damn money to the school over the years. There's the hearst memorial mining building the hearst field annex the hearst Jim Pool hearst tennis courts, the Phoebe, a hearst museum of anthropology. phoebe is Patties great-grandma will meet her in a bit. So let's let's examine. How wealthy Patty's family is in was. Short answer superwealthy like unbelievably wealthy like I'm proud of driving around a nice not fully loaded but not a base model two, thousand, sixteen, F one, fifty, a little bit of window tinting. leveling kit custom wheels. I. Like it at very much. The heirs to the hearst family could each pay someone to buy brand new fully loaded F one, fifty right drive it off the lot straight to a fucking junkyard and just have destroyed. They could do that every single day for an entire year and just not noticed a difference in the lifestyle. As of two thousand sixteen the most recent year we could find the list we were looking for the hearst family was the ninth richest family in the US with around twenty, eight, billion dollars worth of assets. Fully loaded new GONNA. Set you back about seventy five grant. If the hers family used their fortune to buy nothing but loaded F. One fifties, they could by roughly four, hundred, thousand of them. Or. Eight, thousand, ten, million dollar homes where did all this money come from the used to be even more wealthy than this actually the hearst corporation traces, its roots to one of the richest men of his era William. Randolph hearst, Patty's grandfather but the money didn't start with a Willie Randy. Willie Randy. was born rich son of another very wealthy man named George Hirst phoebe husband. A Patricia Great Grandpa George was a very successful American businessmen minor and politician born in eighteen twenty. And, George was not born into money. He's really where it starts. He was born very much a part of America's working class George Hirst was born near Present Day Sullivan Missouri, just under seventy miles southeast of Saint Louis. Children of Scots, Irish immigrants is grandfather was taken off a boat and onto American soil as a small child in seventeen, sixty, six numerous family members were granted farmland in the colony of south. Carolina. George grew up on a farm. One of three children grow up in a log cabin in Franklin County. No AC no central see no heat other than the law though with the stove. His education consisted of some some elementary school. nothing else not quite like a Menlo college or UC Berkeley level of education. George like his parents before him became Missouri farmer but he wasn't content with just farming. He wanted gold as gold in them hills, kind of gold. On eighteen twenty, nine, hundred was nine years old. There was a huge gold rush and Appalachian Mountains, of Georgia, by the way, and that word is to prevent emails I I did a little extra deep dive in on Appalachian Appalachian both totally acceptable people who live in the Appalachian or Appalachian Mountains say the word both ways. by eighteen, forty, most of the gold to be. In Georgia at least with eighteen forty mining tools was gone by eight and forty eight prospectors were flooding to California. They're heading West for some major strikes two years earlier. Eighteen, forty, six, Georgia's father died at age twenty, six became the head of the family interested in mining since he was a kid, he did a little bit of money locally not enough to improve his fortune and some substantial way. But enough to get a taste for how much the right strike could increase your fortune and enough to realize he was good at it. He had a knack for it. He was a man with a nose for valuable minerals. He did take off for California in eighteen fifty once the family was nice and set Missouri arriving near Sutter's mill on the American river over forty miles east of Sacramento he didn't find much his first winter west. He moved forty miles north after that to the grass valley and made a decent living run courts, mines ranching, and running a general store for decade wasn't wealthy yet but doing well. Then in the summer of eighteen, fifty nine, he buys a one six interest in the Oh for silver mine near Virginia City. Nevada. Super Cool. Little western town if you ever can swing through it. I love that little town and then the following winter thirty, eight tons of silver or are taken out of that mine. It produced a profit of ninety one thousand dollars close to three million in today's dollars just at first winner, which means I made the equivalent of half a million in any made that you know quick and you use that money to buy more shares of claims in mind such as the Ontario Silver Mine in Park, City, Utah the Anaconda mine in Butte Montana. He didn't just take that initial money and walkaway hoard it like some would have done. I could have done that but if he did, he would have never become wealthy you might have been well off but now wealthy instead of wealthy people do he invested his first big score in in chances to hit more big scores calculated risks and he did hit more and more big scores. Then in eighteen sixty two, he returned to Missouri at the age of forty two to be with his dying mother, and while back at home, he married nineteen year old phoebe Anderson, a local teacher known to have the nicest ass and all of Franklin county she was known by more people as sweet cheeks than she was by her birth name phoebe was a pagan nudist which was unusual for that part of Missouri at that time and many things she put a witch spell on George to convince him to marry her. and. Of course stuff I said after local teacher was true I know nothing. About notoriety or lack there of phoebe budgets I'm I'm guessing she would be shocked an appalled disgusted. If you heard me say that Georgia probably challenged me to do you know defender on her Eighteen sixty to the nation was engulfed in civil war and George decided to skip it. He Sweet Jake's kidding phoebe turn their eyes away from the strife of north versus south and just headed back West to continue building his fortune. They settled in San Francisco had their only child William Randolph hearst a Willa Randy in eighteen sixty three George continued to reinvest his money. He found a number of mining operation including the highly successful homestake mine in the Black Hills a South Dakota that mind didn't stop producing golden till two, thousand, one this this one mine. One of many George would own at least a large percentage of produce more than forty million troy ounces of gold during his lifetime. Gold was just over two thousand dollars an ounce, the other day forty, million ounces times two, thousand that's eighty billion dollars. George also began a career in politics shortly after returning west, he was elected to the California state assembly in eighteen, sixty, four one of a dozen men represent San Francisco in eighteen eighty he bought the San Francisco Examiner or if you believe the legend, he wanted gambling. So it was given to him to cover some gambling debts. This'll become the flagship of the hearst media empire, George himself never really care about it never really be a a big newspaper, Guy His. Son Oh, Shit. Georgia's appointed to be a US senator in eighteen, eighty six to fill a vacancy, and later that year is elected as a Democrat have remained a senator until his death in eighteen, ninety one and also puts on Willie Randolph in charge of the examiner in eighteen, eighty, seven, four years before his death and what's phoebe doing during all this living luxuriously she's traveled around Europe trouble on numerous times beginning eighteen, seventy three she's split time between a variety of lavish hearst homes in the bay area he's spoiled Little Willie Randy. George would say about his son, there's only one thing that's sure about my boy when wants cake he wants cake and he wants it now and I noticed that after a while it gets the cake. Nice noise who doesn't want that kind of childhood kind. We always get the fucking cake. Phoebe all sorts of buildings for various educational uses. As you already know, she became a major benefactor to the university of California Berkeley. She served as its first female regent, remaining on the board from eighteen ninety seven until her death in nineteen nineteen. Now, let's look and see how Paddy's GRANDPA Willie Randy took the hearst fortune to even greater heights than his father. first before he started building fourteen party is ass off at Harvard and waste of his parents money young really hurts was expelled after two years of college for antics ranging from sponsoring massive beer parties in Harvard Square. Descending Chamber Pots Aka Turbbach it's to his professors with their images drawn into the bottom of the bowls. Pretty sweet spoiled asshole rich kid or American hero maybe both. I love to go into great detail regarding how he transformed his father's newspaper into national media empire. But that would. Require, a second Willie himself, which probably do one of these days This particular hearst also played a large part in the criminalization of marijuana in America. Is a bit of a Belen using his vast media empire to publish a lot of reefer madness propaganda bullshit that's for another day. the short version of how he grew. His money further is by nineteen twenties after taking control of the examiner in eighteen eighty seven, which was actually struggling when he took it over Willie Randy own the first nationwide media chain which included Harper's Bazaar The New York Morning Journal good housekeeping. His Empire became notorious for its quote unquote yellow journalism talked about this a bit in my Ted Talk Yellow. Journalism is sensationalist lurid style of reporting the kind that were just used to. Now the majority of journalism now is I would say yellow journalism less emphasis on fact more emphasis on opinion spin extreme you know eye-catching headlines. Because this new more entertaining style of presenting the news hearst publications attained an unprecedented amount of circulation at its height is estimated that one in five Americans were reading hers papers, every Fucking Day. William would also invest in radio movies and television in Nineteen Zero three to thirty, four year old Hurst Mary. The twenty year old millicent Veronica Wilson millicent will give birth to five sons George Randolph hearst William Randolph Hurst. Junior John Randolph I just love rotate in the same names. He's Eagle Maniacs and then the twins randolph another end up at Persson hearst and David Whitmire hearst. Randolph Appleton is patty hearst father was born in Nineteen fifty. Let's talk about his dad more the by nine hundred, twenty-five, her album required newspapers in every section of the United States as well as several magazines. He published books produced movies. Then in the nineteen twenties, he built a grandiose castle on a two hundred and forty thousand acre. Ranch. On the California coast in San San Simone California, two hundred and forty miles south of San Francisco. He furnished his residential complex with a vast collection of antiques and art objects. The bought in Europe a playwright, George Bernard Shaw famously described Castle as the place God would have built. If he'd had the money, it is not one hundred, fifteen rooms thirty eight bedrooms over forty bathrooms a theater, a beauty salon, a giant indoor Rome until giant outdoor pools, and it originally sat on three hundred, seventy, five square miles of private land. Everything was made custom for it. Now, this isn't fucking particle board. This is like exotic marble. Crazy expensive materials at the peak of his fortune in nineteen thirty, five Willie fucking Randy owned twenty eight major newspapers, eighteen magazines, several radio stations, movie companies. New Services. The Great Depression of the Nineteen Thirties would seriously weaken his financial position, but he would rebound you know in the in the forties and then he died in one, thousand, nine, fifty, one to age eighty, eight and Patricia's father Randolph. I was the last surviving of his five boys and the one that would inherit his father's vast fortune when Randolph died in two thousand and his estate was. Valued at one point, eight, billion dollars. So you know I, it wasn't as big as it was at one time but still billionaires the Modern Day corporation which owns forty-six newspapers three hundred and forty magazines around the globe as valuable stakes and cable channels like ESPN lifetime a-a-any it's currently chaired by William Randolph hearst the third guy love to keep the name, his family. Patty second cousin. Her father's cousin's son. The hearst corporation is the rare private corporation with over ten billion dollars in annual revenue. Okay. So sorry for the detour there. But an important part of the story is why the SLA chose to kidnapped Patty hearst they chose her because in the bay area, her name was synonymous with extreme wealth old money. If you're a communist revolutionary type living in the bay area, you know all about the her family and they represent to you the worst of capitalistic greed. Now let's talk about these people who oppose capitalism especially, the kind of capitalism I practice and when I say posed I mean committed to committing serious fucking violence and what law enforcement deemed domestic terrorism easy bojangles easy. So now as we talk about communism, all right, you know that good what calm calm down. Painting the decade of the seventies with broad strokes. Yes. Mentioned an economic depression, an oil crisis. the end of the flower child era, and for many of those former flower children a descent into drugs and various colts for many. The seventies wasn't nonstop late night disco parties fuelled by Coke in quotes for some was, they must've had fucking blast great but for many with an uncertain, even exceedingly pessimistic time. Tim Finley. San Francisco Chronicle and rolling, stone. the man who discovered the identities of the Simbi. Symbionese there you. Take me second few times that word the semi's liberation. Army said this of the Nineteen Seventies in San? Francisco. The mid seventy s the antiwar movement beginning to climb simply because Vietnam War was ending. There was less and less the mass movement going on in Berkeley and more concentrated sales people within Berkeley, who live in adult lifestyle. In order to be part of this past and Berkeley you gain status by being more revolutionary than the other guy by having that superior compassion motivated a lot of people. There had been a change in direction the civil rights movement because identified more with empowering racial differences rather than melting them rather than integrating society. And there was developing at that time as well as far more ideological slant. Relatively innocent movement. If. You look back to such things as the weather underground in nineteen, sixty eight. They did not attack the tuition's in order to kill people around people or what have you. They attacked institutions as Sabah tour's. As a resistance against the war and against the power of the establishment to had. It's awesome fun behind that. Some good feedback and last week sound bits. Makes a little stories little more entertaining a moment he'll. whereas the ethos of the sixties counterculture in San Francisco had been about civic participation marching for civil rights protesting at citizens that sort of thing seventies was all about who could be the most radical this attitude was held partly due to political motivations probably to stave off the existential dread of confronting the country that had just come out of a war with no victors and it come into an economic depression and partly you know just to just look Cooman can you dig it? Has Everything copacetic with you. With Me Jive. Turkey. A revolution coming. It's going to be Donald Mike out of sites. So do me a salad and get a right right on right on right on. Catch on the flip side you know that kind of thing. And race to see who could be the most revolutionary one of the stars of today's Suck Donald. David freeze was a front runner. Let's meet this crazy son of a bitch. To freeze was the founder of the radical group that would go on a big crime bender nineteen, seventy-three, nineteen, seventy, five, he committed plenty of crimes before that time well. Wasn't stranger to crime a man not afraid to commit crime and a man when he kidnapped Patty hearst surrounded by Bay area well educated young. Marxist. Flavored revolutionaries who had never themselves committed crimes. But one of some of that grit and excitement made him feel edgy and they fed his delusions of grandeur. Fifteenth Nineteen, forty three to free was born in Cleveland, Ohio birthplace of my Polish wife city with lots of Polish people that. Long history kicking out monsters net part of the world you get. His parents were Louise Mary decrease and he was not born into wealth and privilege like Patty hearst and I were. A freeze was the eldest of eight children his mother Mary was a registered nurse at a nursing home his father although there isn't much info on him apparently wasn't as carrying as to freeze his mother according to some reports. He disciplined Donald as boy by breaking both of his arms not once not twice but three separate fucking time. So clearly Donald was a bad kid who started off being about listening and ended up being bad at thrown baseball the stop right now you. Know this is true. His father was clearly extremely physically abusive to freeze. We grow up to become a very angry and violent man and if my dad had broke both my arms three times. Yeah I probably would have been angry and violent my twenties as well. and. In my teens at the age of Fourteen Donald David freeze dropped out of school ran away from home ran away from his dad losing yet another arm match semi come on he can now. He did really run away though unless that's not funny. You understand he and he ended up in buffalo new. York. where he lives in, he lives in foster care eventually lived with the man named Reverend William L. Foster fundamentalist minister is family while living with pastor foster. He joined a gang called D. cracks skulls. I'm guessing pastor foster was unaware of this. And how was Your Day Young Donald goodpastor foster me and somebody who cracks skulls carjacked woman in Allentown Liquor. Store Broadway Elm. Well, glad to hear you've made some friends in Buffalo Donald breakout. To freeze was quickly arrested for stealing from parking meters. Then for stealing a car, the state of New York decided to give the kid a shot or rehabilitation and send him to a state reformatory in L. Myron York the Almira Correctional Facility was a unique and innovative prisoners time it rejected theories of reform the developed the nineteenth century theories at inmates should be silent obedient spend all their time You know when they're not reflecting on their crimes in single occupation cells, they suspended working elmira different. They believed that approaching reform from a psychological perspective rather than a physical perspective yielded better chances for true reform. Almira used a lot of what we think is of as a fairly logical. Now, like techniques like encouraging inmates with rewards, variable senses according to the criminals background history education. But that mean that everything was candy and sunshine about his time in prison to freeze would say life in the prison as we called it now because it was a juvenile correction facility. Oh, it was nothing but fear and hate day in and day out I would not be part of any of the gangs black or white I didn't hate anyone black or white and they hated me for that. Upon his release nineteen, sixty, three, the now nineteen twenty year old to freeze relocated to the Newark New Jersey area. There he met and married a woman named Gloria Thomas who had three children from a previous marriage. The couple of quick they have three more children and then struggle financially Weird Weird. How strange a dude who kicked out three kids right after being released from prison dude who jumped into relationship Where they you know the lady already had three kids would then struggle with money if only birth control pills would've been around in the sixties. They were actually. that's when they first showed up all that sixty s you know hippie sex was fueled partly by great music and counterculture revolution Tiberius and most by the first reliable and affordable birth control pill to be widely used. Owa. the freeze did not use it and the ended up damn near homeless with Donald only able to find sporadic employment as a short order cook or laborer, and then Donald came up with a great plan to fix everything for himself at least like so many super cool dudes have done that we've covered on time he decided to completely abandon this family. Later he would write, I just couldn't take it anymore. I was slowly becoming a nothing. I would define someone who abandoned their their families being nothing to freeze thaw doing that turn him into something I. Guess. He he he made it clear across the country before getting arrested in nineteen, sixty four, and then returning to his family in. New Jersey. Police stopped him while he was hitch-hiking on San Bernardino freeway near West. COVINA. California on him. They found a tear-gas Pencil bomb. A sharpened butter knife and he sought off Reiffel had all that suitcase sources? Don't say what he was officially charged with I can't figure out why he was charged with anything I really didn't seem like he did anything wrong I mean he's regular dude hitchhiking with a suitcase at a knife, a gun and a pinball. What do not bring with him checking his dangerous you never know what kind of fucking wack job you're run to. You might need a tear gas bomb I need a sharp butter knife. Seems to me like trying to be prepared for getting picked up by some kind of psycho, but the police saw differently. headed. Back to new. Jersey Jackie with his family he'd get arrested for shooting off a gun inside his basement and for having a bomb. Oh I'm sorry officer am I not allowed in the land of the free to shoot off my own gun in a house full of children and make some fucking bombs sorry I forgot I was living in North Korea. Donald later, right. I started playing with guns and fireworks just anything to get away from life and how unhappy I was. He was sentenced to two years of probation nineteen, sixty five he has back out to California makes Los Angeles. Be Grudgingly. He brings us. Would family the change of scenery would only intensify his financial worries in his run INS with law enforcement on June ninth nine, hundred, Sixty, seven, two, please stop to freeze for running a red light. Is Weird on his bike. Runs a red light in his bicycle. They asked for his name he gives them a fake one. Then when they search him, they find a homemade bomb in his pocket and then in the basket of the bicycle defined another bomb and pistol. defrays tells them this I love this it doesn't. He'd found the two bombs and the pistol just laying around and he's just trying to sell them to feed his family, and for some reason, the crazy cops didn't believe him. Oh. Oh, you're arresting me seriously. I I'm sorry that I just leave North Korea for mother. Russia is it illegal to find bombs and guns laying around and? Put them in my bicycle basket and try to make some side cash sell them a little bit it. Oh, it is. Oh, it is illegal to sell bombs to people on the street Okay. Well, sorry. I don't have every single memorized. Is Given three more years probation. The probation officer interviews to freeze writes that he's deeply troubled. By this case, I bet they keep finding you find bombs this guy. Earlier probation report describes to freeze as schizoid per se schizoid personality with strong schizophrenic potential who has a fascination with firearms explosives psychiatric officials of the prison testing center where he's briefly sent after his arrest recommend that he be jailed because his fascination with firearms and explosives makes him dangerous. He sounds dangerous. And then while this case is going to court, MR freeze is arrested again on December second nineteen, sixty seven. I WANNA kind of bullshit trumped up charge. He'll have thrown at him this time. A prostitute complains a threatened her with a pistol and demanded money according to the police report arriving at the motel to investigate the police say they found a pistol stolen from a store in nearby torrents and then other stolen weapons in the trunk of Donald Carr and how do they get their? You know what he fucking found. Them is illegal to be really good at finding guns and bombs laying around you would think in a good. They'd give him a medal for finding that style before kids founded in hurt themselves. But no in the United States of Fascist motherfuckers you get arrested for doing good deeds. Everyone knows being absurd right also. To freeze initially avoided rest by jumping from a second story bedroom window, he's captured four days later, and then to avoid serious prison time he rats on an accomplice and leads the police to Ronald Colman's house where they find nearly two hundred weapons stolen from a surplus surplus store. and then. Donald doesn't get any trouble doesn't get any further troubles gives me for a long time. He's not arrested again for another four months. On March tenth nineteen, Sixty Eight, he's charged with burglary in Inglewood on August sixteenth. Nine hundred sixty eight HR still motorcycle on March Twentieth Nineteen Sixty nine he gets in trouble for finding on the ground, a loaded nine millimeter rifle with thirty two rounds in a magazine. Probation had been modified months earlier in December thirteenth nineteen, sixty eight to forbid possession of firearms or bombs but still doesn't go to jail for any of these crimes. Why? Because the police finally woke up and realized it's not illegal to be good at finding stuff. No. As to why he wasn't picked up immediately put in jail for these crimes many have speculated. The freeze wasn't informant for either the LAPD who in the sixties were beefing up their surveillance or surveillance on radical groups particularly. Marxist and black aligned organizations or even CIA or FBI who also had interest in these organizations and Donald being both black and Marxist did run in these circles according to author Brad Schreiber who wrote revolutions end the Patty hearst kidnapping mind control, and the secret history of Donald to freeze and the SA to freeze was a former lapd informant running guns to setup. Black. Panthers. Not, everyone thinks to freeze was an informant though legal analyst, an author Jeffrey Tobin who wrote the account on the O. J. Simpson case that was adapted into the first season of fx is nine emmy winning American crime season disputes, aspartame. Riding, the Donald, freeze was to bit incompetent criminal who in Los Angeles tried to work off a beef like a lot of criminals do by telling the cops he knew about other criminals the idea that he was some sort of secret agent for the government is just absurd. So was he or was he not some kind of informant? We don't know nobody does for sure. Seems Weird that he just keeps getting. You know nothing more than parole even though he's arrested just continually. By the late spring of nineteen sixty nine to freeze has abandoned his family once again finally, weight off his back. He's sick. He's sick. He's taking them holding them back from committing crimes on May nine, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, nine, the Newark Police report the freezing, a companion Ralph Cobb have kidnapped and threatened. Alfred Witter's caretaker of the Temple of. Banana. Abraham. The police said the to a driven Mr Witter's around with a shotgun to his head claim to be Black Panthers and demanding five thousand dollars from the rabbi of the synagogue that they felt that they needed to secure the release of another Black Panther. Ralph COBB was tried and acquitted, and then a memorandum from the prosecutor's Office. Memorandum decided to drop charges against Mr Free. Since they believed he'd soon be incarcerated in California for other crimes anyway. So he gets away with another crime and he doesn't get thrown in prison in California for these other crimes but he does get arrested again on October Eleventh Nineteen sixty-nine, some police officers in Cleveland spot to freeze on the roof of a bank building he's carrying two pistols and an age dagger that he has found. Dangerous weapons he found while taking a leisurely stroll the happen to be on the roof of bank thinking about how he was getting his act together and GonNa do right by his family. So the police of course, give him a key to the city. No after he's caught, the police find a burglar's tool kit and a hand grenade nearby Weird Donald claimed he didn't know anything about these things. He definitely didn't know how someone who put his fingerprints over. He puts a five thousand dollar bond and leaves for Los Angeles. Again, it gets away with this. It's way with doing some Super Shady Shit doesn't get arrested for this or you don't track him down. On November seventeenth nineteen, sixty nine to freeze is wounded in a gunbattle outside a bank. Of America, branch in La finally gets in some real trouble he's arrested convicted of having stolen a thousand dollars cashier's check sent to the California. State prison in Vacaville fifty, four miles northeast of San Francisco Hearst Country Kiss, Ya ya about to connect to freezes story to her family. In this prison, he joins an inmate organization called one hundred percent innocent guys who can't help being super good defining bullshit. Nas Not right. Now the group called Black Cultural Association, which stresses African Heritage and pride at its weekly meetings. It's here that the intellectual seeds of what would become the Symbionese Liberation Army are planted into freezes might be. At, Vacaville was a group that would take black prisoners, introduce them to liberal white college students who didn't talk about the black prison experience in their university work and many of these college students happened to be very, very Marxist. To Members Program are William, Wolf, and Russell. Little members of a radical political group called the Vince Ramos Spanish for we will overcome or they'll a term closely associated with the Chilean Socialist Movement. These two Yahoos later become members of two freezes, SLA Future SLA members, Angela Atwood Nancy Ling Perry also visit Vacaville to meet with radical prison groups while to freezes imprisoned in is these young radicals these black prisoners no matter what they were actually incarcerated for political prisoners oppressed by racist and corrupt American society and a lot of black Americans were being oppressed by racist and corrupt White American majority culture that doesn't mean that Donald to freeze specifically wasn't fucking Durbeck. He didn't get framed and thrown onto death row he got away with doing a lot of dumb shit. It was a family abandoning violent looney toon who couldn't stop making bumps. Before leaving Vacaville prison to freeze broke away from the black cultural. Association started his own Program called Yuna site who stated purpose was a study of the black family. The recent family abandoned her is now a family advocate this motherfuckers too much. December of nineteen seventy, two degrees was transferred to the dead prison until the day California he won't stay long. He escapes just months later on March Fifth Nineteen, seventy three. So he can return to his family. No, he doesn't do that, but he does escape. Very easily, he basically just walked away. To freeze had a good prison record had learned the trade of boiler repair. He was able to fool the authorities into giving him minimum security status and then one day while he was unsupervised supposed to be just working on the boiler and some stuff. Is Walkout slept just didn't come back. After escaping to freeze made his way to Oakland California where he was hidden in house by two anti-capitalist college kids, Willie Wolfe and Russell Litter little those people who had visited in prison They took him to the House of Twenty Three Year Old Patricia. Ms Moon. Soil stick or sold sold a sick a Berkley student daughter of pharmacist and self. Radical feminist and revolutionary dedicated to subverting the dominant capitalist pig paradigm of America. For the next several months Donald. Family man to freeze and Ms Moon Faulk just go at it like rabbits and also sometimes work on Symbionese Liberation Army Literature Donald Lives with Ms Moon for several months through her he meets Camilla Hall twenty-eight-year-old Berkeley Artists and communist and a deep dive into Marxist revolutionary thinking ensues. The semi's Liberation Army is now officially formed. So let me give a quick overview of this group who they became then it'll be timeline time. The symbionese Liberation Army also called United Federated. Forces of the Symbionese Liberation Army was a small group of multiracial militants who consider themselves members of a vanguard army basically small army that would force her lead. America's masses to revolt and overthrow their corporate overlords. Logo was a seven headed Cobra pretty sweet. And the group's motto was death to the fascist insect that preys upon the life of the people. Fuck Yeah. You know someone got a real solid high five coming up with that one I would love to hear snippets of the brainstorm that came up with that motto like what what didn't accept it. Is Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I got I got it. I got how about Her male. Harm comes to the fascist baby who sucks upon the teat of the poor more than a baby should suck therefore, not leaving enough milk for other less fascist babies who an ideal communist society would all get an equal and satisfying amount of breast milk. Mill you jive Turkey Lemus Fuck Peter. Way. More. Powerful. Less wordy. Okay. Okay. Hold on. How about? Death to the capitalist spider fascists who spin their web and catch weak helpless commie flies what? No it's terrible. That makes us look really bad Peter. Who wants to join a revolution led by weak helpless Commie semi's liberation. Army, flies you're right. You're right. Can we five minutes? Let me just keep working this bug angle? Let me just keep working this bug angle. If you're wondering what Symbionese means. I didn't mean a damn thing nineteen, seventy two. Because Donald hadn't made it up until nineteen, seventy three according to the group's Manifesto Symbionese was taken from the word symbiosis, a body of dissimilar bodies and organisms living in deep and loving harmony. But really never about love and harmony a freeze not only came up with the name for his new group of radicals yellow came up with a new name for himself is about to be referred to as general field. Marshal Sin Q. He named himself after an African Mindy chief who took over a slave ship eighteen thirty s and freed himself and others. Pretty Sweet. the original Josephson Cue. was actually pronounced a sink. A rumored to himself had become a trader in Africa after winning his own freedom. Maybe. Could have picked a better name. I don't know there were initially eight members of the SLA the freeze being the only black member and the only member who came from a low income household or had a criminal record the seven. Were Caucasian middle class or upper middle class men and women raised in. You know nice households most of them fresh out of college who then adopted Swahili names and took up arms for the self-styled Symbionese Federation Nancy. Ling Perry went by the name Fayza Patricia Socialistic Call Herself Zoya. Bill. Harris decided to call himself tico Emily Harris went by you llandough Angela Atwood wet by Galina Russell Little Swahili name was. OSCEOLA. Joe Ramiro renamed himself Bo. William. Wolf. Called Himself Cujo, and Camilla Hall went by Gabby. So the SLA quickly routed having eighteen members along with a handful of associates and sympathizers, and they were they were prepared to bring America to its knees. Listen up capitalist pigs. We don't want to wage war. Fall you. All your senators and Congressmen. Don't leave Capitol Hill tonight. If the White House is now vacated by midnight. Tonight. If the Pentagon doesn't send work for the entire U. S. military industrial complex to stand down immediately, we will find so many guns laying around on the ground. We will use them to bait this nation in the blood of the revolution. CAN YOU DIG it? We have almost twenty mostly misguided, well, intentioned young suburbanite hip cats who may have never even been a fist fight let alone gun but they are prepared to pupil. All Day and all night until the new of groovy natural nation is born and incite came you dig. You get. Is Group. Boy. I. Just I just can't imagine what it's like to be around their meetings. Right? It's like all these frankly really soft like. Middle class way kids. Still fucking hard you know the SLA did really WANNA change my shit big way they wanted to close all prisons monogamy destroy all other institutions that have made an sustained capitalism. They went big pretty lofty goals for small group. There were dedicated to Marxism into revolution and as much as I mock them they were actually pretty organized they would come up with and carry out a plan to take not only an heiress to a massive fortune hostage, but they would take much of American media hostage well. Okay. I think we know enough about the hearst Family Patty Hers Donald Jeffries escalate in the general vibe with the counterculture in the Bayer in seventies now. So we can get into timeline. Let's jump into the time line starting off in nineteen, seventy three with the formation of the SLA. But before we do, it is sponsored time question meet sex. When we multivitamins do we actually know what we're taking. We all deserve the truth about what we put into our bodies. 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It takes the theory that the freeze was You know some kind of government informant, even further building on the work of private investigator Lake Healy, who may have dug into the Patty hearst kidnapping deeper than any other single investigator some authors and alternative media have developed theories that the. was a fully controlled CIA assassination squad with the Black Panther. Party as its main target. Under this narrative, the SLA originated within California prisons where to freeze was sent as an informer to infiltrate incarcerated radical groups, and then set up his own organization like all was all this plant. This theory states that Donald to freeze was sent into prison by the CIA and the Black Cultural Association was used to monitor radicals among both visiting students in prison inmates the CIA. Created the black cultural. Association at Vacaville Facility as part of developing the SLA a phony left-wing group upon meeting radicals after prison escape and before he was incarcerated to freeze was known for his eagerness to sell firearms, explosives and related related items all stuff he found but seriously, how did he get all the shit? His means of consistently acquiring weaponry has never been fully explained. Was He trying to set up sting operations according to this theory he was never sent to prison for earlier weapons charges, and he always had access to weapons because he was being given weapons by the CIA why to gain the attention of the Black Panthers so that he then infiltrate their group and then helped the CIA take them down from within now do I believe this not necessarily but I don't think it's impossible. The. CIA has done all kinds of crazy shit to take out groups. It deemed a threat to the US government. They did have a black radical groups in the sixties and seventies in their crosshairs for sure and before that fifties forty s you know all kinds of stuff that they've done If nothing else this is an interesting theory. Is wanted to share it before I move on after several months of weapons training at their safehouse the SLA committed its first Revolutionary Act on November six, nine, hundred, seventy, three, they ambush and murder Oakland, School Superintendent Marcus Foster, and seriously wounds deputy Robert Blackburn why would they do this? Foster had just three years earlier become the first African American School Superintendent of a large school district in American history. He'd received national awards. Then he got shot eight times at the age of fifty with hollow point bullets that had been packed with cyanide. He'd been a a National Award winning principal the SLA shot mistakenly or mistakenly excuse me targeted him for his support of an ID system for Oakland students an ID system designed to keep non student drug dealers off campus the SLA target foster because they believed he supported the measure to institute oppressive security measures, schools, including more police presence. There were this the program it was built around these ID's he did not foster did advocate initially for the ideas, but then rescinded his support weeks before he was assassinated. This. Crime to me shows how crazy donald freeze and his followers were in the name of standing up against white oppressors capitalist oppressors they kill black man working his ass off to keep black students safe from drug dealers a guy focused on the education of black students. The S. L. A.'s crime announced the group is one capable of committing violent acts in the name of revolution. It also brought down the scorn of the Berkeley left most of whom found the political murder of a black man by a black led organization incomprehensible. If you follow the CIA plan theory. Then you could argue that this was done intentionally to you know. To just harass the black community I guess on January Tenth Nineteen seventy-four SLA members Ross Little Jo Ramiro or arrested traffic cops, SLA weapons and propaganda found in their possession. Fearing the house will be rated Nancy Ling Perry sets fire to the group safe house and goes underground. Please find the safehouse scorched but not burned down. Leaving significant amount of evidence of what the group was up to and who some of them were. Whoops. I'm guessing, Nance Qatar. Asked you bit for that one just Nancy. What did I? What did I say to do in event of the five. Oh snacks at some of our soldiers that I say to burn down the fucking safe house or did I say to kind of scorched some of it and leave the rest unharmed so that authorities are able to get important Intel on a revolutionary organization. what's Patricia hearst of to around this time? When nineteen seventy four began patty was only nineteen. She smoke weed sneaking out to rock concerts at San. Francisco's fillmore auditorium feather in her hair like Farah Fawcett, wearing blue jeans t-shirts with no Bra Flynn. I both think that seventies look hottest by the way. Taylor Fina and pretending to relate to kids who were not raised by billionaires. She just transferred from her little private school to the state school her family practically owned. She was engaged to and living with Stephen. We'd her high school math tutor creepy sounding I know. But. He was only a few years older than her according to reports from the seventies I, think he was like forty three or forty seven. Anyway parents disapproved of her relationship with Mr. We'd and Patty briefly had to pay your own bills kind of for four months. But not really because she lived with Mr Wheat worked at a department store for four months and then reconciled with Daddy. And then immediately quit her job because he agreed to go back to paying for everything. And even we'd was twenty, six, now forty, three or forty seven. And back in Nineteen, seventy, four, twenty, six year old dating in the nineteen year old wasn't actually uncommon not condoning or judging just pointing that out. With their families money she bought expensive artwork Persian rugs pretty much do whatever she wanted. She was living the dream she was going to class when she felt like edge shacking up with her fiance party, our parents time, and then all that would change on February fourth. According to a report prepared prepared two weeks after the fact for the US House of Representatives. Committee. On Internal Security patties kidnapping went down like this at about nine twenty pm on February fourth in Berkeley California two men and a woman force their way into the apartment of Patricia hearst entry to the Ground Floor Townhouse apartment at twenty six three bienvenue Bien. Venue a bien venue. I don't know avenue four blocks south of the campus was obtained by the female SLA terrorist tapping on the glass patio door and asking us the telephone to report an accident. Miss her fiance Stephen. We twenty-six opened the garden door and the woman pushed into the apartment accompanied by two black males one armed with the rifle the other arm with the pistol, and perhaps also a rifle we'd was beaten about the head and shoulders until semi-conscious and tied up Stephen K.. Suenaga twenty-one, a neighbor who heard the noise and ran into the department was also beaten. patio taken into her kitchen tied up and dragged out of the home screaming and fighting the entire time they dumped into the trunk of a one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, three, Chevy Impala some SLA members got into another car to car sped off firing shots at the apartment buildings they rolled away six blocks away they transfer patty to another car abandoning the impala. Kidnapping is swift and violent carried out the words of one reporter with commando like precision Stephen Weed says, the police kidnappers were so coordinated they barely needed to speak to one another. That evening Walter cronkite reports on the kidnapping sparking a national media frenzy. I mean think about how big stories it's almost to the level of of one of Obama's or trump's kids being kidnapped by a group of domestic terrace as one of Bill Gates daughters was kidnapped. Terrified people because it felt like if some group could kidnapped Patty hearst, they could get your kids, it could get anyone. Patty drifting in and out of consciousness and the car would say later that she expected her father to quickly pay whatever ransom these people wanted but that would not be the case. The primary intention of the La was for more than just money. It wanted revenge against a class of people. It saw as oppressors SLA members placed her in a stuffy closet size room with a bare lightbulb portable Kat. No windows in the hot poorly ventilated room in addition to be in place in physically uncomfortable surroundings patty would later claim that members of the SLA became. To psychologically torture her as the days passed they can s- continually insisted that her parents love their money more than her that they would not save her that they were evil capitalists who cared about their image far more than they cared about their daughter's life a freeze AKA general field, Marshal, Sin Q. Aka Captain Lucky Guy Bomb and gunfighter led the others in harassing Patty. He insisted he'd killer himself as if his demands are met. What he doesn't tell her is that he hasn't made any demands yet I have no idea what these Aso's want. on the fifth day after the kidnapping reporters gather at the hearst family mansion in Hillsborough that wealthy San Francisco suburb to interview Patti's parents and they do this every day for for months also on the fifth, the FBI releases composite sketches of the suspects based on Stephen, weed and others descriptions. Two days after patties napping on February six, a letter arrives in the Mail at Berkeley. Listener supported at Berkeley's listener supported KPFA, a radio station in it the states that the group has patty but they list no ransom demands just building a little bit of suspense. The next day on February seventh Patty's father receives a letter from the SA in reads it on live television. The United Federation, the United Federated Forces of the Symbionese Liberation Army armed with cyanide litter weapons served in arrest warrant upon Patricia Campbell hearst. All communications from this court must be published in full in all newspapers and all other forms of the media failure to do so will endanger the safety of the prisoner. Should any attempt be made by authorities to rescue the prisoner or to attempt or harm and he sa elements? The prisoner is to be executed. At the bottom of the paper is written death to the fascist insect that preys upon the life of the people. Of course, gotTA throw that Little Gem in their lot of high fives back of the new safe house. When they hear that shit on the news I told you it would sound cool. You guys doubted my bug angle at first. But that insect line oh, man that is sound as a pound and totally groovy. The family wouldn't here again from the SA for five days. While they wait Patricia continues to be held captive in basically this closet. On February twelfth a message from the SLA is received in the form of a tape recording sent to K. F. Pierre KPFA. the studio played the tape for anyone listening I'll read an excerpt. Greetings to the people and fellow comrades, brothers and sisters. My name is Cinco and to my comrades I'm not a sin. I hold the rank of General Field Marshal in the United. Federated? Forces. Or the Symbionese Liberation Army. The SLA has arrested the subject for the crime that her mother and father have by their actions committed against the American people and you'll press people of the world. Randolph hearst is the corporate chairman of the Fascist Media Empire of the ultra-right Hearst Corporation which is one of the. largest propaganda institutions of this military dictatorship of the military arm corporate state that we now live under in this nation. The primary goal of this empire is to serve and form the necessary propaganda and smokescreen to seal the American people from the realities of the corporate dictatorship with Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford represents in closing I would just say to Mr Hurston Mrs Hurst I'm quite willing to carry out the execution of your daughter to save the life of starving men, women and children of every race. And if as you other naively believed that we will lose, let it be known that even in death, we will win for the very ashes of this fascist nation will marco very grapes. We are the crickets hide in the shadows. The lady blocks won't stop leaning on you and don't really scare you per se but can make you jumpy and then the next time you feel something. You find yourself thinking I won't freak out again because probably the lady bump but maybe it's a spider no thirty bucks or is it I don't know what not a winter too long now now when your head like Lady but David Peter I, told you take the ladybugs bucks shit out of the speech one insect references more than enough. We sound like idiots is a tape. So recording. Okay so I may have added the bug stuff, but the rest of the recording plate as I read it and it was a lot more to it. included in in Q. Statement was a demand that her family giveaway millions of dollars in food to the poor and the needy. Next came, they frightened voice of Patty hearst saying Mom Dad I'm okay. I'm with a combat unit that's armed with automatic weapons and these people aren't just a bunch of nuts. They've been really honest with me but they're perfectly willing to die for what they're doing and I want to get out of here. But the only way I'm going to is if we do it their way and I just hope that you'll do what they say dad and just do it quickly and I mean I hope that this puts you a little bit at ease and that you know that I really I really am all right I just hope I can get back to everybody really soon. Later. In the day, Randolph hearst makes a public statement and addresses his daughter directly. He tells that he's doing everything he can to get her out of there to take care of herself. Runoff hers is in contact with the FBI but he assures padding or kidnappers. No. One's GonNa bust in and start shooting cannot imagine how furious he must have been like how much he must have wanted to use his money and influence to destroy anyone associated with taking his daughter. Someone took one of my kids I would want to kill them myself. I wouldn't fuck why did I would just want them to die. Another demand soon followed when Angela. Atwood another SLA member informed the authorities. The symbionese war war council has determined that communication between POW Patricia hearst and her family will come only after the immediate creation of the necessary mechanisms. Russell Little Joseph Ramiro can communicate via live national TV with people and the SLA concerning the full scope of their physical health and all the conditions of their confinement. I love how they act as if they have a war council. By by war canceled you mean, Becky from Minnesota who has Berkeley Philosophy degree and considers not shaving her armpits or radical stand against the man or are you referring to Timothy from Seattle who hasn't worn shoes in two years and has been selling incense candles down by the ferry building before he joined the? SLA. These people think they are I part Randolph hearst is willing to accommodate the SLA's demand he must Godley hate them so much he said he'd do everything he could to get Russell little and Joseph for mural on the air the two members who have been arrested the previous month. However the FBI says, no, they're not willing to allow this. They think it's only gonNA, feed the leadership's. And make them even more dangerous. Like the right call on February thirteenth speaking to reporters camped outside his house. Randolph. Hearst reply to the SA demands saying that they were impossible by this time the S. l., A.'s constant barrage of accusations about how horrible the hearst's are are beginning to take their toll on. Patty? They've convinced her that our parents You know our negotiating for her ransom trying to spend less money. This makes her incredibly sad and scared I mean make sure they do they really care more about their money than about her life and then things get worse for Patty reports come in of a heavily all of armed FBI agents raiding a house where they thought Patty was being held petty filter parents were recklessly allowing the FBI to risk her life. Right Her dad said that they weren't going to do these raids. While extending the media coverage in performing for spectators she wasn't entirely wrong about the performance part pettis mom had done this weird thing she had taken to wearing black all black and speaking of Patty in the past tense. Her daughter hasn't even gone for two weeks yet. As pretty strange, how would you be if you were kidnapped and then like ten days later, your mom's on TV dressing all black talking about you like you're already dead. Worse her mom had ignored the demand by or one of the demands by accepting another appointment from then governor Ronald Reagan to be region of the University of California the ESA had told the hearst to sever their ties with Reagan the fascist. Patty said later I felt like I could have killed her when she did that my own Mother didn't care whether the SLA shot me or not. Only ten days in Patty starting to believe her family really doesn't care about her almost two weeks after her capture on February Sixteenth Ucla releases another taped message I or from hearst. And this one reveals a shift in her attitude towards her captors. She says I'm being held as a prisoner of war and not as anything else I mean I'm being treated in accordance with international codes of war also since I'm an example and it's really important that everybody understand that you know I am an example and a warning, and because of this, it's very important to the SA that return safely and so people should stop acting like I'm dead mom should get out of her black dress that doesn't help at all just hurry by. Feel she wanted to go off harder on her mom there clearly mad mom stopped making it all about you. Selfish Bitch I the one who kidnapped you sympathy for. February Twentieth Nineteen Seventy Four Marks Patty hearst twentieth birthday on third audiotape to freeze demands at the hers spend six million dollars on feeding the hungry. Randolph hearst replies at six million is beyond his capabilities. Later, his representatives proposed a compromise and offer two million upon the immediate release about he hurts and then an additional two million in January of Nineteen, seventy five. The SLA. Of course rejects this counteroffer and Randolph hearst announces that he will indeed be putting a sizable portion of his fortune towards feeding the hungry as they have asked. Quickly makes arrangements for two million dollars to be donated to a local charity and creates a distribution plan called people in need pin and just four days. Hearst and others create one of the largest private volunteer organizations in the history of the US. Almost four thousand people volunteer to help give out food PIN director. Ludlow Kramer expects at the program will be able to feed one hundred thousand people for twelve months with the two million dollars. Still, alive. These assholes but kind of cool that they got to do this as opposed to just giving them the money I mean, this is kind of some robinhood should here. Men. In the FBI criticize hearst decision to give into the terrorists her doesn't care. He's in the it's my daughter and I will do whatever it takes camping I gotta respect that. On. February twenty-second to first disastrous attempt to distribute food for patties. Freedom occurs crowds form around the hunters point distribution site in West Oakland. Soon, riding breaks out leading to dozens of injuries and arrests response. The Attorney General for California makes the following statement in the future. Every crime committed in connection with the kidnapping will be prosecuted. If it's done a response to extortion or kidnapping will encourage the local district attorneys to prosecute under existing law and if they don't we will. After. The food distribution, another tape statement by Patty hearst broadcasts, and it reveals our attitude continues to shift torture parents and society in general. In this third statement, she says Mom Dad. I've been hearing reports about the food program so far it sounds like you and your advisors have managed to turn it into a real disaster. You said it was out of your hands. You should have said was that you wash your hands of it. It sounds like most of the food is low quality no one received any beef or lamb anyway it certainly didn't sound like the kind of food our family is used to eating. The flock I mean they gotta be so sad for obviously home but also like what you just fucking say. Oh I'm sorry I with four days notice I didn't feed one, hundred, thousand people the way you preferred. The statement makes a lot of listeners wonder what the fuck patties up to rumors began to spread that she has staged her own kidnapping in order to join the SLA and a quick note on this rumor. Healy that private investigator I mentioned earlier he did think before he died that Patty hearst had met with Donald freeze while he was in prison months before napping as other students did and that she was in on this whole thing from the very beginning that was all staged. Why would you do that? He Lethal Patty pole-day colossal spoiled rich girl gets real mad daddy move the she was furious. With her father because she had dated a black man before she started seeing her math tutor, we're kinda. Creepy Guy and her dad found out confronted her and strongly disapproved, and then she and daddy had a big blow up over her also having very far left political views. You know I e socialist to the point of being communists that directly opposed her father's very far. Right staunch capitalist views. And then she pulled his whole thing off just to get back at him. Now do I believe this now really never been proven. But again, I kinda CIA Steph asks possible now to some degree also again, entertaining theory I mean how crazy would it be if she helped orchestrates tire thing I doubt I doubt she could pull off older and get away with it. And going forward, you probably operate on the on the premise that she did not help plan her own kidnapping back to February twenty-second Nineteen, seventy four. Reporters asked Math Tutor Stephen. We'd for insight into Patty, state of mind and he responds I can see that she may actually be having her doubts as to you know from her point of view it may look like we've made a mess of things. Previous to the last two months, I would say that she really didn't have a political point of view I. Think by the time this is over, she's going to have some sort of political view. Thanks for that. Thanks for that Steven Great Sites two years after the kidnapping a rolling stone article would speculate that by degrees her disillusionment with their parents turn into sympathy for the SLA. But more may have been going on with Patti than simple disillusionment she been kept that small closet room for a month. Now become mentally physically emotionally week she could barely stand up to get out of the closet. She had to attend the SLA's Daily political study sessions where she would have to listen to the national anthem they would read her statistics and. Quotes from like George Jackson Russell McGee to leftist writers arguing that less than ten percent of the US population control ninety percent of the wealth that some people eat catered meals while other starve that some can afford fancy lawyers while others just rotten jail than some live off their haired ince's or other squalor and despair, and all of that is true no argument there. However would all of these evils be cured by communism? That's what kills me about these kind of arguments. So many people starved under communist regimes. Can the world you know suddenly turned into one big idyllic kindergarten classroom where everyone shares toys and eats the same snack. There's no more capitalism me and Django don't think. So we think communism carries the incentive to innovate or to put in more hours more blood sweat and tears, and your competitor to make a better product that not only financially benefits yourself. But also improves some improve society in some way like by creating jobs but the SA. They thought some Marxist. System could cure all of America's ills and they pushed us believe on Patty hearst hour after hour day after day. And many things that this completely brainwashed her after month or so in study sessions attacked her family personally over and over again, they showed her a list of the current family holdings nine newspapers thirteen magazine's fourteen radio stations, a Silverman, a paper mill, many prime pieces of real estate on and on and on. It told her the she was clearly part of the ruling elite how dare her parents create thousands of jobs and build an empire or are they doing living the American dream? How dare forefathers become more successful than peers? SLA members told Patty that nothing mattered to her parents more than money. They told her that her parents and the economic class they represented were to blame for her misery and the misery of countless others and the only way their love for money could be conquered with. And violence. They, hugged her called her their sister by all accounts made themselves into her substitute family. They began to make not just a political connection with her but an emotional one. And by the end of February she was more of an SLA member than a captive within a month of being taken and held hostage also establish a sexual connection with someone in the group not surprising given that she was twenty in the group adamantly believed free love she began sleeping with twenty three year old Willie Wolf Aka Cujo. Wolf was the closest padding age and background. The son of Pennsylvania doctor he'd attended private schools is whole life been varsity swimmer sports editor of the school paper. He spent a summer working with kids in Harmelin an excuse me in Harlem then spurned the Wolfe Family Yale tradition and enrolled in Berkeley. At Berkeley where he'd room with SLA member Russell little and met Cinco. On February twenty eighth, the second pin food distribution goes on as fewer problems in the first. ludlow Kramer would later recalled that the program gave away thirty thousand dollars worth of top quality food to Oakland's poor. Crazy the actually did pull this off they made a billionaire feed cities poor. On March, Fourth California Governor Ronald Reagan having earlier predicted that no one would take the food from pin accuses the thousands of people who line up for free groceries of aiding and abetting lawlessness. And thousands of California's poor are undoubtedly heard same super clever things like fuck Ronald Reagan. On March Fifth and eighth and third and fourth pin food distributions take place her still have no idea where their daughter is. In a fourth tape released on March Ninth Patty hearst heard criticizing her parents Saint I. Don't believe that you're doing anything at all the what are you? What are you talking about their? And people. Try. They're giving away millions. What am I in for appearance? How do you even process your kid being kidnapped and then turned against you? Right you're so happy that they're alive but also you got to be constantly thinking what the fuck. All I ever did was give you an amazing home the best childhood. Now I'm the bad guy. March? Tenth newspapers announced that they will no longer print SLA communicates full enough's enough. For. March tenth to March Thirteenth Randolph hearst secretly meets with Clifford death-row, Jefferson, and other inmates who were SLA contacts at the Vacaville prison. He's desperately trying to find a way to reach his daughter. The discussion seemed to lead nowhere at least not immediately. On March, twenty fifth food is given away yet again on the hearst dime to thirty thousand people in pins fifth and final distribution attempt. On March Thirty First Clifford death-row Jefferson, and other SA. Contacts Appeal to the SLA on behalf of Randolph hearst to begin negotiations for patties release for the first time in over a month. He's hopeful he's close to bringing his daughter home. On April Second Salei sends a note to the San Francisco Phoenix promising more details on the possibility of Patty's released within seventy two hours. There April third less than two months after she'd been kidnapped Patty shocks the world with the following recorded message. Mom, Dad. Tell. The poor and oppressed people of this nation, the corporate state is about to do. Worn Black and poor people that they were about to be murdered down to the last man woman and child. Kill the people of the energy crisis is nothing more than a means to get the public approval a massive program to build nuclear power plants all over the nation. The people that the entire corporate state is with the aid of this massive power supply about a totally automate the entire industrial state, the point, the next five years all will be needed as a small class of button pushes tell the people dad but the removal of expendable accept the removal of a needed people has already started. I've been given the choice of one theme released in a safe area or to joining the forces of the Symbionese Liberation Army and fighting for my freedom and the freedom of all oppressed people I have chosen to stay. I've been given the name to Nia after a comrade who fought alongside shape in Bolivia, it is in the spirit of to me that I say, but tree on wet. then. It isn't a spirit of to me that I say I am the grasshopper I will eat the seeds of capitalist greed. It isn't a spirit that I say I am the carpenter ants carrying small twigs, lead particles and like and things like that back, Beckham my colony like all other soldiers ants working together unlike let's say agreed driven capitalist praying Mantis, who seemed to kind of own thing and not really work with other prey masses for the betterment of all men you dig I mean unless they are in what have you seen manses impairs when do you see those capitalist? Using Creepy Foot Lake Clot. Top things to maybe pass nourishment from one to another man got fucking Peter. We're so sick of this bullshit. Okay obviously the Peterberg stuff was me again. And obviously the entire family is taken aback by this message and also very fun to speak in that cadence with that kind of music in the background would have been fun to put out these measures. An WanNa patties four sisters goes on record saying she was sure that Patti been brainwashed by hearing one side of the story Randolph hearst expresses similar disbelief. You'll be Stephen We'd all I know it was a different time. It's still kinda creepy math tutor McGee. Who had acknowledged that? Maybe there had been a real change in paddy during her captivity saying I am reconciled to the idea that Patty must have matured a great deal in the past two months. I just want to tell Patty that I love her as much as ever and I think she knows that I can accept whatever she has chosen even though it may be hard for me I can accept it. Randolph is hearing this thinking damn. You really want. So my inheritance, don't you? Stephen. Needing to solidify hearst commitment to their cause and get some money to live off of the. SLA. Hastily plans a bank robbery in insisted I participate in it shortly after this last message goes out. On April Fifteenth Patty hearst and four members of the are caught on security camera holding the High High Bernie Hibernia Oh my Gosh Hibernia Bank at Fourteen Fifty Noriega at twenty. Second Avenue. If her family thought that they were shocked before now their minds are really blown five of the bank robbers including Patty entered. The bank will remain outside all make a getaway in two automobiles after firing several shots from automatic weapons and made off with almost eleven thousand dollars. The bank guard would later remark that patty quite comfortable with gun seemed according to him like she was ready to shoot anything or anyone who gotten away. Two civilians are shot during this robbery. Luckily, both will live. Of course, the big question on everyone's mind. Now, as a stories broadcast around the world complete with security camera footage patty definitely joining in on the robbery was whether hers was a witness or actually a perpetrator and no one is as interested in this question as as much as the FBI is the FBI has students at the Berkeley. School for the deaf read Patties, lips the security footage and find out she said I'm to Nia up up up up against the wall motherfucker. Her parents must have been losing their mind at this point. They just witnessed their privileged daughter go from kidnapping victim to a bank robber truly can't imagine. On April twenty third eight days after this bank robbery, the FBI issues a wanted poster with pictures of Donald Davie. Freeze. Patricia Michelle I hate her last name so much salt salsa sick Nancy Ling Perry Cumulus Christine. Hall and Patricia Campbell hearst across the country Americans continue to debate whether or not hearst participated willingly or was coerced. In a six audiotape released on April Twenty Fourth Patty offers evidence of her full participation in the bank robbery. She says that at no time did her comrades begun pointed at her? She now refers to her family as pig hearst's Nice. Pig hearst's and to Stephen Weed is an age just sexist pig she also says. As for being brainwashed the idea is ridiculous to the point of being beyond belief I am a soldier in the People's Army. So she's in she's real in She's one of the most gossiped about people in the in the country. Now, dinner conversation around the US Senate around. Did you hear lease message my got? A week later, may I stain just barely ahead of FBI agent searcher for them SLA members pack up their weapons applies move from a Golden Gate Avenue apartment to Oakland Street in the Bayview district the next day on May second the FBI find the abandoned Golden Gate Avenue apartment just missed him. Two weeks later on May. Sixteenth incident that will confirm too many that patty was indeed now voluntarily a member of the SLA. Patty was sitting alone in a Volkswagen while SA members emily and Bill Harris interest store in Los Angeles patties a fight break out between bill and the store clerk and to prevent the harrises from being arrested Patty shoots twenty seven thirty calibre bullets into the storefront in rapid succession. What the fuck guessing her mom cried a day. quite a bit more. The incident alerts lapd to the fact that the SA is in town, and this is not good for the SLA while the San Francisco PD was most used to dealing with petty crime at that time. The LAPD were a militarized force it had serious experience in both dishing out and dealing with violence. The next day on May seventeenth. Nineteen seventy four, the LAPD FINDS SLA members Donald to free Willie. Wolfe Patricia. So stupid name Camilla Hall Angela Would Nancy Ling Perry in a house in Compton and a shootout ensues with SWAT team members. Rather than risk civilians being shot, and because the SLA members refused to leave the apartment or excuse me refused to leave the house to police set the building on fuck and fire with gas canisters. Holy Shit a TV report announces that anyone in the house must be either dead or dying and the reporters right? All six SLA members die in the Compton. House. One four, six, six, east, fifty, fourth street, and for a while there is speculation that Patty is among the deceased that's not the case. The Harrison Patty hearst watched the shootout on TV from their motel room near Disneyland in Anaheim William Harris recalled. Later the Patty wanted revenge for the raid. Immediately, she wanted to kill some cops for killing both her lover and her leader, and for killing her friends people she now considered her family. She is full fucking SA despite the death of their founder and leader several key members the SLA not over on June seventh nineteen, seventy, four, seven tape recorded message sent to the Press Patty. Hearst offers a eulogy for those killed in the shootout. She proclaims her love for Willie Wolfe and vows that the SLA will continue its noble fight. Math Tutor Stephen, we'd spends most of June seventh. Probably Punching and crying in interest bill. A bill. Harris becomes the SLA's News Journal Field. Marshall, also in June of nineteen seventy, four patty hearst driven to New York, and then to rural. Pennsylvania where she will hide on a farm with Patti Bill and Emily Harris for damn near. Her family has no idea where she is. In November after months of not hearing from Patty, Randolph hearst now withdraws an offer of fifty thousand dollar reward for her safe return he must be so pissed. Does. He no longer see his daughter primarily is a victim now does he see her mainly as a criminal I wonder Finally on April twenty first. So confusing stories. So weird like how would you? There's so little comparable stories to this. It'd be so tough to mostly process all this finally on April twenty, first nineteen, seventy, five, the S. L. A. Resurfaces four members hold up the Crocker Bank in Carmichael. California the enter the bank announced. It's a hold up till everyone to. Get down on the floor and put their faces in the rug than a shot rings out Myrna a softball, a forty, two year old mother of two who is there to deposit church collection money shot and killed by. Emily. Harris another. SA member announces that at the rest of the bank banker customers don't cooperate everyone will get the same treatment as Myrna. And two other members jump over the counter start. Grand Cash. Kicked in the head step on their faces. Continually. Shop. Profanity's verbally abusing these people meanwhile patio outside driving the getaway car. During an interview held before her trial later, hearst recalled her involvement in this robbery sane. Most of the time I was with them. My mind was going through doing exactly what I'm supposed to do. I had been educated very well in what to do I had been you know held in the closet for two months and you know abused in all manner of ways I was very good at doing what I was told I mean they call a Stockholm Syndrome and post traumatic stress disorder and you know I had no free will. It was considered wrong for me to think about my family and Winston was around he didn't want me thinking about rescue because he thought that brainwaves could be read or that you know they'd get a psychic to find me and I was afraid even for that. It was a very strange group of people bound by. The SLA. Codes of war and they follow them very religiously. I was not inside the bank. Finally, five months after this robbery patty is captured by the police on September, Eighteenth, nineteen seventy-five SLA members, Patty and Emily Harris and Wendy Yasha Mirror Yasha Moore. Are Found it's six twenty, five more street and San Francisco Patty Been, missing for five hundred, ninety, one days over nineteen months. Cooperation, between the San Francisco PD and the Federal Bureau of Investigation Lead Her capture FBI agents who have been taken out of house onto eight eight percent of avenue in the burn heights district on a tip spotted bill and Emily Harris walking down the sidewalk in jogging attire. Bill was an easy takedown emily tried to run they. Both are apprehended at the same time, FBI agents, Tom Pat, and Tim Casey Golf The backstairs street. Where they can see the living room and kitchen through the Dutch door they see Patty and Wendy Yoshimura sitting at a table inside Patty starts to get up and agent padding yells FBI freeze I'm GonNa Blow Moosehead off agent Tom Casey Chimes in Saint Patty. Don't make a move that he does not make a move and agent patent goes inside and puts cuffs on her. Tom Casey ask Patty what she was doing there. When she replies I'd rather not tell you about it. To quote. Being booked. The officer asked her for her occupation shelter replied urban guerrilla. I laughed so hard when I first read I'd rather not tell you about it. that. To me is such a rich kid to say to the police somebody who's had such a privilege childhood. You want to do you mind telling me why I pulled you over today. Ma'am. I'd rather not tell you about it. Upon hearing that, Patty been found her family hired a well respected California attorney Terence Hallinan to defend her and patty struck Helena is a genuine SLA member. Helen had prepared. A defense of involuntary intoxication. Pay would claim that she'd been given drugs. The drugs helped convert her to their ideology, but Patti's parents didn't want drugs involved in the defense. They were too worried about the reputation they said the defense should stick to dress and brainwashing and nothing else Helen and kept telling the family that wasn't a defense, but the I would not listen. On February Fourth Nineteen seventy-six, six trial begins two years to the day after her kidnapping. By the time, a defense team has rejected numerous offers by the prosecution to strike a lenient plea bargain because prominent attorney F. Lee Bailey who joined the defense team was confident. He could win the case the hearse again worried about the reputations wanted Patty declared completely innocent of all crimes so they go to trial. Judge Oliver J Carter presides over the trial and Patty is charged as an accomplice in the robbery of the Hibernia Bank I can say that earlier why? Patty herself later admitted that she expected to be charged with murder. All of the prosecution had footage of for holding a gun at the scene of the crime. Patty pled not guilty. She claimed that she been brainwashed into acting against her own will and therefore could not be held guilty for what she had done. And defending his client barely examined a team of witnesses and otherwise who testified that her showed all the symptoms of Stockholm Syndrome? A rare psychological disorder which a kidnapping victim begins to identify with their captors. Term. At the time of the trial and we'll break down You know this term further after the timeline. Bailey, also claimed that she suffered from POW survivor syndrome. No now is PTSD. Paley said that Bailey said that above all patty had feared for her life in cooperated with her kidnappers merely to survive, but it didn't play well with the jury. Patty had been an SLA member from seven weeks after her kidnapping until she was captured. Now, eighteen months after her an initial kidnapping, the first statements, her issued following the bank robbery in which he seemed to strongly identify with SLA's cars didn't sit well with the jury should close personal ties de Soleil members especially, Wolf. She's she wore a stone almac monkey-face pendant that will lead given her. She just didn't seem like someone under any duress also, even if Bailey could convince jurors that hearst had been brainwashed that alone was not considered a defense under federal law. And then there was Dr Joel Fort Psychiatrist brought him by the prosecution who testified that he considered hers to be a prime candidate for SLA membership. He felt that she had stayed in the group and committed crimes with them definitely own free will. Ford stated that he felt it patty had found a community and the SA. He noted that her background was similar to many other SLA members who'd come from comfortable upper middle class homes forts. Expert testimony was incredibly damaging to Patty's defense, but perhaps the most damage was done by patty herself time and time again on the witness stand, she gave mono-syllabic answers to lengthy questions. She seemed disinterested she invoked her Fifth Amendment right not to answer questions over and over again because she was afraid, she might incriminate herself. She did a total of forty two times after it was all said and done the jury debated for just twelve scooby thought it was minister my nose she debated for twelve very intense hours. Before finding hearst, guilty of armed robbery and the use of a firearm to commit a felony in the end. Many jurors thought Hirst lied about her role in the SA one juror concluded that hers was lying through and through and that no woman would keep a love token from someone who abused her hearse repeated taking the I didn't sit well with yours one explained it was a real shocker. A witness can't just tell you what he wants to tell you and not tell you what he doesn't want to. Hearst was sentenced to seven years in prison for her crimes. She would serve just to in February nineteen seventy-nine newly elected. President. Jimmy. Carter Commute her sentence to time served I'm sure having super rich capitalist fascist pig parents helped with that You know little favor. Then more than twenty years later in the last days of his time in office Bill, Clinton grants hearst a full pardon. Two months after her release from Prison Nineteen seventy-nine hearst Mary's Bernard Lee Shau, a policeman who is part of her security detail during her time on bail, they will go on to have two children, Gillian and Lydia. No word on what happened all Stephen. We'd Oh poor math tutor he just kind of disappears from the story. Patty would go on to do a bit of acting appearing in some feature films for director John Waters who cast her in crybaby serial, mom pecker dirty shame, and CCB demented after patties arrested yesterday officially dies out everyone in the group ends up either dead incarcerated or goes into hiding only to be tracked down at some point by the FBI and imprisoned later today only one SLA member is still alive in jail. The rest are either living free or dead. The this group changed some lives forever in terrible ways it never became into instrument of lasting change that it's few radical believers envisioned a report once asked member Bill Harris after he spent years in prison, what did you accomplish and replied nothing? mainly. What we accomplished is we got ourselves into jail. Randomly in two thousand, Seventeen Patty hearst took home two titles at the Westminster dog show according to The New York Times. Pretty, random. Petty is also comedian podcast or actor and TV host. Chris Hardwick Law. Chris married her daughter actress and model. Lydia hearst in two thousand sixteen Chris. I used to have the same manager and do some tapings together years ago small world. what else is patty hearst up now don't know sixty six year old mother to keep a pretty low profile. Top part of the time line and take a look at the Stockholm Syndrome. Good job shoulder, you've made it back. So, what is Stockholm Syndrome and DID PATTY HABIT? Well, it's made of disease and no, she did not time now for today's top five takeaways. By. Come on now. The super annoying. Any of the show it's not calm. Syndrome is a psychological response wearing a captive began to identify closely with his or her captors as well as with their agenda and demands. Interestingly, the incident that Stockholm Syndrome gets its name from remains pretty obscure outside of Sweden few know the names of those involved in the kidnapping situation that gave the conditions name. Let's talk about real quick and August twenty, nineteen seventy-three less than a year before Patty hearst was kidnapped four bank-workers, Brigada Lindblad, Elizabeth Old Grin Kristen and mark, and Spin Southstream who worked for. Severe Gays Credit Bank in Stockholm hostage in the thirty two year old or taken hostage. In excuse me taken hostage by there we go. Thirty, two year old career criminal Jan Erik. Also later, joined at the bank by a former prison made career criminal Clark Olofsson. Six days later when the standoff ended, it quickly became evident that the victims had formed some kind of positive relationship with their captors. And one phone call from the bank's vault the country's Prime Minister Olaf Palm a bank employee kristen end mark big to be allowed to leave the bank with the kidnappers when Palmer few she said she was very disappointed with him and added. I, think you're sitting there playing checkers with our lives I fully trust Clark and the robber. I am not desperate. They haven't done a thing to us on the contrary they have been very nice but you know off what I'm scared of is that the police will attack and causes to die. Somehow six bank-workers got into their heads that the police were developed not the criminals how? Hostages spoke of being well treated by the robbers and appears that they believed that the owed their lives to the two criminals on one occasion, a Claustrophobic Elizabeth Warren was allowed to leave the vault that become their prison, but only with the rope fixed around her neck, she said that at the time she thought it was very kind of Ulsan to allow her to move around the floor of the bank. When he treated us, well, we could think of him as an emergency God spend saves from was say and the concept of Stockholm Syndrome was born. The phrase was coined by Swedish criminologist and psychiatrist nils beard. Neal's. Jarrett's maybe hang hang hang is hard just figure out the emphasis and the American psychiatrists Dr Frank Oseberg, intrigued by the phenomenon went onto define the syndrome for the FBI Scotland Yard. His criteria included the following I people would experience something terrifying that just comes at them out of the blue, they are certain they were going to die. then. They experienced type of infant infantilism. INFANTILISM they they become babies. we're like a child they are unable to eat speak or go to the toilet without permission. Small acts of kindness that is being given food promise a primitive gratitude for the gift of life. He explains the hostage experienced a powerful primitive positive feelings towards their captor. They're in denial that this is the person who put them in the situation in their mind. They think this is the person who's going to let them live. In short psychologists believed that when a capture threat captives life deliberates and then chooses not to kill the captive. The captives relief at the removal of the death threat is transposed into feelings of gratitude toward the capture for giving him or her life, and it can take only a few days for this to occur. Dr Augsburg stresses that the the true cases of Stockholm Syndrome are rare. Making, identification complicated there are no widely accepted diagnostic criteria to identify the syndrome, which is also known as tear bonding or trauma bonding, and it is not an either of the two main psychiatric manuals, the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders or the international statistical classification of diseases and related health problems. Making identification even further complicated some people who many consider as having Stockholm Syndrome deny having it. Austrian Natasha can. Push. Who was kidnapped as a ten year old by Wolfgang, a trickle pill was held in a basement for eight years in a suburb of Vienna. Crazy suck connection here she was trapped in the basement just an hour and a half away from where monster Joseph Frizzell had his daughter and his daughter granddaughters son grandsons trapped in his basement. And there appears of captivity of these periods of captive excuse. Me Overlapped One another for several years what the fuck is going on Austria anyways. When the TASHA's captured died, she reportedly cried for him and subsequently lit a candle for him as he lay in the mortuary but in a two, thousand, ten interview with The Guardian, Natasha, rejected the label of Stockholm Syndrome. Explaining that it doesn't take into account. The rational choices people make in particular situations. She said I find it very natural that you would adapt yourself to identify with your kidnapper. Especially, if you spend a great deal of time with that person is about empathy -cation, looking for normality within the framework of a crime is not a syndrome it's a, it's a survival strategy. Well whatever you WANNA call it. Survival Strategy Syndrome sounds sounds to me like Patty, hearst probably had it. She had a bunch of fellow Berkeley social activists, surrounding her telling her that her life have been allied day after day telling her that her family was what was wrong with America. Feel bad for had she not been kidnapped. She never committed the robbery she did unless you plan to be kidnapped, which we have no real proof of. What story? Donald freeze after being arrested released eight times after radicalized. Perhaps also been radicalized in prison by some Berkeley students eventually formed his own army, a small army, but still army, and they successfully took a newspaper heiress hostage and to freeze was but one of many revolutionaries who came out during the sixties and seventies in America and fans themselves as savior of the working person was. He a savior I mean, yeah. Negotiated some some food to be given to the poor but other than that. He just wrote and recorded a bunch of corporations or evil in the poor tired of being oppressed and some people have way too much money communist rally points that much cheerleading where he didn't do other than get some meals dished out was offer a better way. What exactly was your revolution going to accomplish? Donald. What if you did tear down the robber barons of the seventies did liquidate bank accounts of the hearse and other billionaires then what? What better system of government would you built in its place? What kind of communist would you have built? One my Stalin's US are maybe one like Pol Pot's. Cambodia. Maybe when like Mao Zedong's China or Castro's Cuba Laos. Laos has been communists hear about them a lot since nineteen, forty, five house that worked out. Now, now, well, if you value free speech and if you'd like to be randomly detained after some kangaroo court, no just fucking throws you in prison for some trumped up bullshit charges. A national happiness index global quality life index up and take a peek at the top twenty nations listed. You don't see a lot of communist nations usually zero why if they're so great? Outside. Of the food extortion situation to freezing army were just thugs posing as revolutionaries. Right? They assassinated a gifted education administrator rob banks wounded innocent customers killing one. Also tried to blow up some cop cars. We didn't even get into that right with police in them. in Alpha Wet. Because they didn't like the government. Don't like it go into politics try and change some things as my kinda wants to do I mean he's fourteen. So it's what he thinks he wants to do, but he wants to make things a little better for the common man by put more funding into public education he wants to stop giving massive tax cuts, giant corporations he wants to regulate frivolous litigation so we can all stop. Amounts of money to insurance companies and lawyers, and be able to lower the price of goods and services medical and dental care. Is that you've got a lot of good ideas is he's a little more socialist lot more probably than his dad. You know he thinks my libertarian ideals to radical but I'd vote for him. what about Patty hearst or is her real role in all of this? Stage you're kidnapping with nothing more than a P is hunch hearsay. I don't think we'll ever be able to prove that. Let's say she didn't do it. Let's say she really was kidnapped can't she truly blame Stockholm Syndrome for all of our actions. I don't think. So actually not a hundred percent had she not been kidnapped you know like I would she have robbed banks now highly doubt it but if someone else had been kidnapped, would they have joined the SLA? So enthusiastically I have serious doubts. I think she was a very extreme leftist Berkeley College kid also a spoiled rich kid who didn't know shit about how the world really worked who mad daddy for coming down on her for having different political opinions and interracial dating I. Think She was twenty years old and surrounded by extreme leftist radicals telling her to burn everything down you know and burned everything down was burning mommy and daddy's empire down I. think sort of teenage rebellion. She was only nineteen when she was captured played a huge part and how all this played out had the SLA kidnaps some forty year old nine no fucking way. Join up with them later I think but I've never been kidnapped so easy for me to say. In the end had it not been her fascist pig parents iron hotshot lawyer she probably would have gone to prison for longer than she did. Even though her parents did fuck up defense a bit. After being prison she sure Shit didn't maintain her SLA. Communist. Ideals. those ones you ranted about recording Senate depressed itchy. Now she's she's part of the best show. Westminster dot crowd now as about as boozy is it gets I'm guessing she has a better one time when I was twenty stories than her fellow purebred dog trainers. And that's all I got. Let's wrap up now with today's top five takeaways for real time. Up. Take Away. Number One, the hearst castle I'm fascinated by this place. One hundred and fifteen rooms thirty eight bedrooms forty two bathrooms theater beauty salon giant, Indoor Roman Pool Sixty eight thousand five hundred square feet, and it's only one of several homes built a giant sprawling property complex. Look something built for a fucking Roman emperor. In this complex originally set on three, hundred, seventy, five square miles of beautiful private land. I get why that nerd Stephen we try to stick around for pancakes. That is some serious wealth. Number two, I doubt many saw Donald David to freeze as ever leading group revolutionaries before he actually did is Shitty are breaking dad he got mixed up in crime at a young age became obsessed with guns and explosives. He quickly had three kids. Also the abandoned get arrested a whole bunch of times finally went to prison and then formed a communist group of revolutionaries and then kidnapped the daughter of a billionaire before you know burning alive during a shootout with police at the age of only thirty. Number three after failing to get their buddies out of prison the SLA used Patty as a bargaining chip to have thousands of poor people fed the hearse family paid out millions to form the organization people in need only to have the attempt backfire into riots and have their daughter Patti criticize him for not providing enough beef or lamb nineteen seventy four was a terrible year for Randolph and Catherine hearst. Number Four. Patricia. Went from a rebellious rich girl to a hardcore beret-wearing machine gun toting child of revolution. She was sentenced to seven years in prison but her sentence was commuted by President Jimmy Carter nineteen seventy nine and since then she's pretty quiet life. Number Five New Info William Randolph hearst Patty's grandfather was the basis for a movie that is topped more best films of all time lists than perhaps any other film nineteen, Forty One's citizen Kane and hearst hated this movie. The thinly veiled unflattering biography of a wealthy tyrant was produced by Orson Welles and put all of her character flaws out there for the public to see them his greed has more weakness the effects of his poor behavior on his friends and family even more loathsome to hearst in his allies was the portrayal of Kane's second wife a young alcoholic singer was strong parallels to hearst's mistress. These showgirl turned actress Marion Davies at the kitchen, a preview screening of the unfinished citizen Kane on January third nineteen, forty, one, the influential gossip columnist hedda hopper wasted no time passing along the news to hearst and his associates that the film was obviously about him. And her then used his leverage to get the films advertising out of the press. I never knew papers also went after wells accusing him of communist sympathies question his patriotism, a hearse onto forbid, his media holdings to advertise the film in any way whatsoever many other Hollywood moguls who for the most part didn't like Orson Welles finding him rude and arrogant supported hearst Louis B. Mayer Co founder of metro-goldwyn-mayer even offered to pay our hail pictures eight, hundred, forty, two, thousand dollars in cash. If the studios President George Schaefer would destroy the negative and all prints of citizen Kane just throw it away Bernard get rid of it shaffer refused at threatened to sue. Though be nominated for nine Oscars and ultimately be heralded by critics as one of the best. If not, the best movie of all time hearst managed to destroy premier, an initial profitability many theaters would not run this movie when it came out of fear of being punished by hearst. Orson Welles said that when he watched the premier in the theater, he sat in an almost empty theater. Time Tough Takeaway away. Hearst man has some power and some influence, but not enough to get their daughter way from the SLA not not in a timely fashion. The Kidnapping Patty hearst has been sucked such an odd unique story. Hope you find it as interesting as I do. Very hard to find a similar tale out there right rich kid gets kidnapped by group of domestic terrorists than joins. The gang helps them rob banks. 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Next week on time such is going to get real. Crazy. WE'RE GONNA return to both California and the nineteen seventies to examine someone way worse than Donald. Freeze we return to the annals of true crime and suck on legit psychopath. The Vampire of Sacramento Richard Chase is it going to be like an Albert Fish y'all Kroll ed camper Chikatilo, kind of suck. We touched on this maniac and the FBI behavioral Science Unit Suck. Chases me called the poster boy for the FBI disorganized killer profile district random. So Extreme Jason, just kill he mutilated. He was a cannibal plus an obsessed consumer of blood and NECROPHILIAC fucking triple crown psychopaths. In, a month long murder spree in the mid seventy S. Likes it was like something out of Clive Barker Nightmares. He butchered total is six men women, and sadly even children in the most heinous aways when police searched his apartment, they discovered that nearly every surface within it was saturated in blood from the walls to his eating utensils. Then there were the contents of the refrigerator. Richard Shea said he needed to kill to save himself from what? The answer is pretty hard to believe. Very hard to believe mostly because they don't make a lot of sense because he was out of his fucking mind join us next week for a suck on a truly darken demented mind in real monster the Vampire of Sacramento. Analysis balls deep into today's time. sucker updates. Times. Our first update count from Super Sucker Alexandra. Ceasar just wants to send some positive thoughts and our prayers the way her friend sucker spaces in solid meet sack. Alexandra. Rights Afternoon Suck Masters Supreme I just got some pretty awful news at friend Nathan Fleck has been pretty bad motorcycle accident while we still don't have all the details we know he's been through surgery and is currently in a medically induced coma his lot of good people by his side we're all rooting for his recovery, but it'll be a long road ahead of him. He's a die hard time sucker space Leonard as well as a huge your stand up maybe more so than I am. I I was really hoping that we could give him a shout-out and just let all the suckers send him as many positive vibes as they can't. He's prime example of a great Muzak who's always there for his fellow humans if this gets to you thank you for the read and keep on Sucking Alexandra Caesar while kind and thoughtful of you Alexandra Nathan I hope you can hear this man hope you're fighting with everything. You've got get the fuck out of the hospital before he kept from covid going on your Rehab. You can get back on that bike hurry up. Awesome friends like Alexandra who are tired of about you. Seriously, we're thinking of you. Hope. You can bounce back hard and quick like Reverend Dr Horse Cock. For Roman get better get better soon data with you. top-shelf sack karston. Anderson. Now has a skin. Walker ranch citing to share with US interest is piqued. Carson writes Hello Master Sucker I just listened to the skin Walker ranch suck and would like to talk about an experience. I had with a skin walker while I lived on the reservation I was driving to a lady's House with my companion L. D. S. mission and saw a range dog like figure standing in the street. We exited the car walked lady's House to talk with her we did. So for about fifteen minutes, this dog was standing there looking at the entire time. As we were leaving. The Lady said be careful as we got back in the truck we noticed the dog or whatever the hell it was left. We turned the corner on the side of the road. We saw the same dog like creature getting up offers its is a weird green yellow yellowish color I feared for my life we drove off as fast as We could I know most people don't believe my story but honestly I, saw it. I. Saw I don't care what say hopefully can share the store in the upcoming suck. Give a shout out to my sexy wife Mattie for help me these hard times keep sucking. Sweet suck this. Thank you Karston and Hello Matty Aka Carson's loose Safina. May You forever tempt him? Stories intents shit man fucking. Did you see that dog the Terry Sherman punched? Seriously ill, there are so many stories like yours. So hope this can walk a ranch suck made. You feel good about that in a weird way I mean what the Hell is going on out there. I I kinda. WanNa see what you you saw also kind of. Ever ever ever ever want to see it. Hell Nimrod and hope whatever's going on that's not good. Turned around soon. Now. We have another skin walker citing coming in from a curious cult member. Joel Schmil end our. Shimin. Joel McCoy Joel Joel S. Kind of a skin walker side maybe not as skin Walker Saudi. Totally. But he does he's shit scared him while he listened to the skin. Walker. Suck anyway. Joel writes my hands are still shaking I was listening to this can walker ranch suck on my way home from my shift at the hospital around midnight the part started playing about Terry, his encounter with the Skin Walker Wolf the Erie music was playing as you dramatically explain what happened as a story came to its end of the music started getting louder a deer jumped out into the road and I, let out an audible screech that I am not proud of. The. There was far enough away that I did not hit it and kept my composure driving. So no harm was done except I need new pants. It's aliens knew the exact moment to send out the deer anyway. Thank you Dan in the universe for Scary Nimrod out of me praise bojangles and Hailu Safina all turned out well, Joe Joe. You painted a picture beautifully there fucking dear. Yes they're cute. But dammit, they are minutes on the road because you never know when they're gonNA pop out. Now I'm always in lookout for little beady glowing eyes at night. So many deer road. We just got a new fence and help keep those assholes out of the art. Crazy. How much they can shit so much shit the my dogs like to eat, and then the dealership makes them shit more. It's Shit Cycle I do not enjoy. thanks for sharing that spooky moments. Now, imagine if one of those who stood up on its hind legs maybe roared at you just gone full Wendy go. To Fund Dot. Now for a hateful message from a stupid. Polish Monster Cameron Cochran. This terrible sub human rights. Dear Master Suck Suck. Later, I take an ice polite shit on you. I'd like to say I started listening to times like a few months ago while searching for podcasts have comedy for years but you helped me survive monotonous slog of work this year. So thank you for that with Nice these out of the way time to get into it. This week's episode on Skin Walker Ranch was grading to listen to as a native Utah born and raised in Salt Lake and having recently moved across country to Maryland. I'm naturally very protective and fond of our beautiful mountains. So when I opened up time suck to see a close to home topic. I was excited until I wanted to drive an ice pick through my ear. They are the Utah, not you and Taw and West. Wasatch Wasatch, fucking these fucking stupid words wasatch not was such. It is insane to me that you said Duchenne just fine. I try. But not the mountains for the whole episode anyway just wanted to get my favorite mush mouth a little hell on behalf of my favorite homestate. As a side note, I love you to talk Polish soon to force you to acknowledge the Polish people's value and bad attitude bears carrying artillery undefeated cavalry hundreds of years. VETOED PILECKI super bad s keep on suck and Cameron just another dumb polack listen Cameron I've. About, the mispronunciation just so you know I, I did add a phonetic guide to all those words however between my own regional dialect and the proper dictionary dot com that's not always matching the cloak will prince. Yeah fucking. Blue. Also I am very impressed that you were able to send this message whoever wrote it to has ever to who whoever was able to take your Polish grunts and gibberish and translate into real human words, and then write those words down man Kudos to them because I could not have been an easy job. To. Seriously, we do need some more post topics and there are a lot of awesome pulls out there. We could talk about some awesome Polish people or what about a Polish serial killer there's gotta be some. I haven't. We set some true crime in Poland yet. I. Think of some additional slandering throw your people's way. He'll Nimrod I'll keep on trying to nail those fucking stupid regional words. Staffer mouth was to fina begun temptress. Now, for some contrarian dots and socialism and also on whether or not, we should judge someone by the norms the times they lived in or by some universal and timeless standard of human decency. Always good to take in contrast opinions super, Sucker Joe Messina writes the following. Hey, Dan love the show my wife introduce me to your podcast and stand up. We met almost four years ago I still listen she does not but I still anyway. I have been in and out of Santa for years myself just never got around to make a career of it. Now I request that you check to make sure bojangles leashes secure because I'm an avowed socialist. Oh, I know I know I hope we can still be friends. Actually I, appreciate your show because I know I. can count on you to challenge my beliefs in good faith, which is something we can all benefit from I have a specific topic I wanna, bring up about the Disney suck. So I won't even go into the social nitty gritty I won't for instance, I. Love This. On the fact that waltz well seemed to have actually destroyed family and the much wealth should never be concentrated and his grandkids wouldn't have to rely on inheritance money. If we all had well-funded universal social programs like single payer healthcare and universal basic income or how the modern Disney corporations near monopolization of the entertainment industry is harmful and indicative of the gilded age or the consequences of the type of union busting. Disney. Did I will not be bringing up any of those in this email that was beautiful. What I wanted to challenge you on his notion that we can't judge people by modern standards and have to look past a lot of their negative beliefs and actions because of the time most likely set meet acts have had great beliefs. Beliefs at all times throughout all of history. It's a good point. People, who make the history books like Disney are presented as so impressive for their wealth and power they acquired that we must look pastor unfortunate. But of the time beliefs or at best we view them as complicated rich famous powerful people get to be complicated. Poor powerless people are forgotten. The truth is not everyone the nineteen thirties and forties thought like Disney. That's. What we're talking about him if that's true innovations, it can also be true of is beliefs and practices, and it is take his meeting with right install i. think it's reasonable to write off. This is just business much like I was just following orders. This reason is too often used to justify evil xr associations if we compare wall to Universal Studios Founder Carl alumnae. No guests on that pronunciation I guess to someone in a similar position at the time waltz actions become even less defensible Carl help hell Carl helped around three hundred German Jewish families which came out to over thousand people, Escape Nazi, Germany, and immigrate to the US. He gave many of them jobs universal, which both made it easier to get approved as an immigrant refugee and to get on their feet and their. New Lives. This wasn't easy to pull off, but we're talking about extraordinary people who stand out I'm sure many average joes and Jones had attitudes about nazi-ism similar to waltz and many similar to Carl's I'm not opposed to considering the context of a time period and why historical figure would have held a beliefs they did. But some things are not acceptable. No matter what time period you're in slavery abolitionist him in what is. Now. The US dates back to the sixteen hundreds, which is when the North American slave trade began in northern states started banning slavery soon after the Revolutionary War that tells me, there is little to no excuse for pro slavery stances especially in the by the eighteen hundreds, the southern states made Thomas Jefferson removed his condemnation of slavery from the declaration of Independence Aaron Bird was a fervent abolitionist where's his fucking musical I? Guess. Burr isn't a catchy title side Note Jefferson and Burr both owned slaves. Now that's what I call complicated. It's okay to admire the Work Disney did but it's also Kedah unequivocally say the bad things he did were bad. This attitude of that's just how people used to think not only excuses the crimes of historical figures but encourages ageism in the form of ascribing bad ideas like racism sexism, xenophobia capitalism agree to disagree. Only two people have certain age groups for generations. People have said stuff like we just need to wait for these old out of touch assholes die out. Then we'll sort all this out which raises the fact that there are a ton of young racist bucks out there plenty of sweeties who are sixty years young or more still doing what they can to make the world a better place. Anyway all this really amount to is that we shouldn't deify historical figures because in the end they're all just. Human when we put people on a pedestal them too much power and that never ends well, I'll even my own side here. This is what gets you communist communist tyrants like Stalin or Mao it was Marx's stupid idea that communism she give temporary Tala -tarian power to one person in a transitional phase, and then that person should give said power you know how humans are, oh, you know how humans are always willing to give up power. We see the same problem on display in the US, decades In the US sorry decades of executive overreach have led the trump and the presidency in general having way too much power for one person back to Disney. His wealth and power led to an exploited workforce at a dangerous monopolize monopolized entertainment industry Disney accounted for thirty eight percent of the box office in two, thousand, nine, hundred, and eight out of ten or eighty percent of the top grossing films the same year. Even if you do love the free market I, don't think this is how it's supposed. To work one company controlling everything no competition. I've a friend who did union organizing work for Disney workers and I can assure you much like most use us corporations, the house of mouse fight tooth, and nail to give as little as possible to the workers who generate their wealth corporations have too much power in this country I think I'll give it a rest there. I. Hope you'll consider somewhat I said here because I believe you're at your best you're questioning everything. Thanks for the show. Keep on talking. While so much Info Joe, where do I begin you make a lot of good points about how you you shouldn't give someone a pass on doing something bad just because he did a lot of good. And that it's not good to deify historical figures However, I also want to become part of today's canceled culture and ignore the the good someone is done because he had some bad stuff too. You know because we all have not that that's exactly what you're saying but with this walt and Leni Riefenstahl Did walt. Install in his home give her a tour of a studio. Yes. was she a Nazi sympathizer? Yes. Had the Holocaust begun yet when she came over no was the focus of films hatred of the Jewish people no. Have you ever had someone over to your house who may have been racist probably maybe a member of a political party with other racist members. I bet you have. We can't know what everyone else thinks even friends are you greatly familiar with the political leanings racial opinions of everyone you've ever had over I. Doubt it ever find out something later about someone like Holy Shit I had no idea so and so was racist or misogynistic xenophobic whatever I have. No one's perfect. That's what you're saying But I also hope that I didn't suggest that I thought well, Disney was perfect. I just refused as described as current notion of opiates. So and so had slaves or so and so she on his wife or so and so was racist sexist whatever. So fuck everything they did. Yes certain heroic people do rise above the time they live in and that is beyond admirable but I bet we could find something wrong with most of those people too. If we look hard enough, maybe they stole something and they spread some, you know bad rumors something. To me while Disney being friendly with the Nazi sympathizer, nineteen, thirty eight isn't necessarily a big deal because I know how I was in international politics. Now, we can look back at that year look what happened in Germany and be like what the fuck but did walt no at the time exactly what was going on maybe but maybe not My son category with me for not knowing what's going on all the time. Politically I tell him I don't have fucking time. I work breaking down stories running a business, a good sixty hours plus a week I try and stay current but there's you know there's only so much time and there's so much news out there walt was a busy dude busier than me. He was managing a huge company out so many productions maybe he didn't really know who the hell Leni Riefenstahl was. I doubt. Her first words to Walter Hi I'm I hit the Jews Hiller highly doubt it. So I. Think you see the point of making here. This is why I don't like to deconstruct heroes too much and to nitpick on certain things, I like heroes I like to be inspired I expect them to be flawed. You mentioned getting so much more attention than his workers and I just think he should is it harder to launch a business than it is hold down a job I've done both and I think it is not that there isn't a lot of value hold down jobs and he didn't just launch a business he launched empire. Why do so many of us applaud that because it's very rare. it's rare to hit over sixty home runs in a season in major league baseball. That's why guys do that get paid a lot more than the guys who don't they bring in more fans more people impressed rare and difficult to be so much better. Than everyone else you can average over thirty points a game for a season, the NBA whoever does that going to get paid a lot more than somebody whoever just two points a game thirty point dude sells more tickets exciting to watch and it's more exciting to talk about someone building one of the biggest media empires in the world then in his talk about someone clocking in on ninety five. I mean the empire builder is a better person than the factory worker, fuck? No definitely doesn't does it mean lead leading anymore unique and therefore intrinsically more interesting suck really life does to me should Disney be able to monopolize the entertainment industry? No, I'm a capitalist but I'm also a big fan of antitrust laws. I'm a fan of regulated capitalism I'm a strong proponent and government regulated capitalism which I know goes against some libertarian views. and Y you give me full podcasts worth of points to address your job. You're clearly very smart. Do I so appreciate you listening to a podcast hosted by some with very different political leanings in a different historical perspective than you do. I love contrasting opinions. I. Don't WanNa live in some kind of. PSYCHO FANTASTIC ECHO chamber. That was a big word I tried to pull off. I think about got eighty percent of it There's too much going on right now people just doubling down a belief they've held for years but never really examined people surround himself with people who only think exactly like they do and I fucking hate it I hate mindless tribalism hate mindless nationalism. Hope, this show always has like you are we thinking about your word for quite some time already have been hail fucking Nimrod Mr Messina. We can get along we get along just fine. Thanks for the updates everyone. Thanks. Times. We all did. Thank for tune into another suck appreciate the continued ratings and reviews. The sucks still gross spy mush mouth haven't lost you all yet new dumb comedy podcast on. Wednesday. Thanks for the feedback has been so fun. So, happy. It's only people like it having a blast with Mr Joe more scared to death Tuesday nights at midnight having fun with it creeps in papers over there. Try Not to get kidnapped this week, and if you do don't start robbing banks and striking out against fascist pigs instead I don't know maybe just maybe just keep on talking. We need to, we need to go up on Hawk and go up to the mountain and grab from the Fascist fucking pigs and take the money and just handed out to the poor. We need to drive cool cars in where and leather jackets with fluffy kind of I. Don't know like what is it like a pilot I don't know, but it's like a cooler. And have changed a silk shirts and bill bottom jeans and platform fuck juice with go fishing motherfucking heels.

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"She now clinton's latest. Cuban historical the most beautiful girl and to back covers the remarkable real life story of evangelina young cuban woman who became an overnight celebrity and quiets in a better new york's circulation war that burst the world of newspaper tabloid journalism. We say today. Welcome to the joys of binge reading the show for anyone who ever got to the end of a great book and wanted to read the knicks installment we interview successful series authors and recommend the beast mystery suspense historical and romance series. So you'll never be without a book you can put down. You'll find this episode. Show notes a free e book and lots more information at the joys of binge reading dot com. And now here's our show. Hi there i'm your host jeannie huila and today chanel talks about the birth of yellow journalism and the role of tube and war of independence in the eighteen. Ninety s played in its creation. It's a colorful story. Poignant with lots of human emotion and larger than life characters. Like william randolph hearst and his bitter rival joseph pulitzer but before. We get to chanel just to remind that next week will be launching. Finish reading on petrie on. If you enjoy this show would like to hear more from the office. We interview and support team as we create more content. Then the comment support on petrie on for the cost of a cup of coffee month. Your excess to the bench read community to more news about the author's you love some behind the scenes news and the chance to make suggestions about hoosier interview next to find out more heat over to the joys of bench reading dot com homepage but now he is chanel. Welcome back it's great to talk with you again. Thank you so much for having me again. I'm so thrilled to be here for those. Who were with us. Then you were on the show and twenty nine teen with your first cuban historical nixed year and had vanna which had the distinction of being. A reese. Witherspoon book cup choice. Now you've got your third cuban historical out the most beautiful girl in cuba and these books are wonderful. You're digging back into your own heritage with these stories. aren't you. Tell us a little bit about your family links. With cuba i am. So i'm been america. Might family came over from cuba in nineteen sixty seven after the revolution in fifty nine and they came to the united states refugees and i really grew up on their memories of cuba in their love for their homeland. And so it's been really fascinating for me to be able to explore that part of my heritage and learn new things about cuban history on as i go back in time and imagine what my ancestors lives matter might have been link show now. This book draws probably more heavily on true events than the earlier ones stood and it reveals some heroin information about the way that the tube in population suffered in the war of independence in the late nineteenth century. Eighteen ninety s did nominate. That was your family. Shared experience gives us period a special interest in poignancy for your it really. Did you know was one of those things where vast my grandfather about it and if he had hernia things. It's something my great grandparents would have lived through. And unfortunately i just don't know what my family's experiences were like during that time period but it definitely made me really interested to imagine what it would have been like for them indies. Were certainly such heightened. Also important times in cuban history ends. It was really interesting to be able to go back to that and to look at what my fictional characters went through. Imagine what my ancestors would have as well. Yes we've mentioned that it's based on true events and it's built around the story of a real life woman who attracted american interest quite remarkably wellborn. She attracted the ire of the spanish authorities and was thrown into confined situation for reasons. That are really very very feeble because if they suspected her father of something tell us about evangeline cisneros who got dubbed the most beautiful woman in cuba by the american newspapers. Yes she wasn't really fascinating character. And when i started researching the book anyway wanted to write about this time period. This moment in cuban history. When i started researching her name came up. And i just looked her up to see about her life and when i found out about the facts of her life is session. Interesting story that. I i couldn't help. Wanna write about it so she was a young woman. Her father was arrested by the spanish for trying to join the revolutionaries during the fight for cuban independence from spain and so she actually joined him in exile on isle of pines and while they were there the spanish colonel who was in charge of the of pines at the time basically tried to force himself upon her she rejected. His advances and subsequently was imprisoned in a prison in havana noticed which ended torius women's jail in havana unto wall. She was there. Her story came to the attention of the american media. Specifically william randolph hearst. Who was the publisher of new york journal at the time and he really used her play as a rallying cry to try to the united states involved in the war that was going on in cuba for independence from spain and he was the one that gave her the title of the most beautiful girl cuba and splashed her story all over his papers and really she became an international celebrity for very short period in her life as petitions were raised trying to get her out of prison in there was an attempted jailbreak. And no i don't wanna spoil too much about the book to just one of those figures who had the larger than life life. She was someone who is very ordinary. And didn't expect this kind of notoriety. She was just a girl going about our lives. She was very patriotic. She loved her family and then because of and the set of circumstances she put on this path where she was really thrust in the public eye in a way that she'd leader mark on not understanding. Why such a fuss was made about her life. And i think she was a little bit uncomfortable with the pressures of all of that but certainly she tried to use the platform as much as she could to bring awareness to the cause of cuban independence and that was very much a dear to her heart. He's the other You've mentioned william randolph. Hearst the other three focus a very strong circulation war that was going on new york between hearst and pulitzer at the time and she became fodder for that development of yellow journalism. What we call tabloid journalist tonight then went to extreme lengths to try and earn the news. Didn't two-year-old mice became a porn. That yes absolutely i mean. They both definitely looked at the situation in cuba as an opportunity to increase circulation and also said he preferred power to profit and so he was really on trying to court influence and shape the direction of newark society in and mortar largely global society. With the stories he was covering an how he hoped. That would influence. Us foreign policy. And so they really got as you mentioned. They were really engaged in this battle. Pulitzer at the time was nearing what he envisioned to be retirement. And then hearst swept in on the end and was a threat to the newspaper empire that pulitzer built into Engaged in this. Very big rivalry and vanik totally. They said but at the end of the spanish american war the war not ended when it did they both likely would have bankrupted themselves the papers because they were sending so much money to try to cover the conflict in trying to do everything they could to get those circulation numbers up the key characters in the story are creations of your imagination. I understand but the all just as interesting in the role that they play as evangelina. You've got grace the young woman who is determined to become a journalist who is working for hearst. You've got marina. The high born cuban who scored up in the war and whose path crosses with end evangeline us and rafael. Who's a self made cuban-american millionaire who has got an identity crisis about where he should fit into this conflict and each has a keenly perspective assessment of the war and the motives for entering a day. Yes i mean it was definitely important to me to look at all the factors that went into the pamphlets and all the influences that you've had at the time there was a very on large cuban exile community that was in the united states largely because of the previous wars. They had left and they were there. I'm trying to get support for the independence movement until rafael was opportunity for me to let readers see into the world because it was hugely influential particularly new york and tampa also women's clubs of cubans. Who were in the united states who are raising money for the positive dependence. Trying to bring awareness. I wanted readers to see that aspect of this story then with grace's storyline was really inspired by the real life. Figure of nellie bly who is an american journalist who set about china make her mark on new york journalism and so greece looks up to her in that someone that grace uses as a professional role model and then marina store to me out of the women that were in cuba that were in the concentration camps. The spanish sense mini cuban civilians these concentration camps they were sent from the countryside to the city centers and it was a very difficult time in cuba. Still bring hearing their stories and the toll that the war took on cuba so through marina's story in her work as a career trying to help the revolutionaries in her husband's role fighting with revolutionaries. I wanted to bring that struggling cuba to the reader. And it also something that for me personally was very sobering and certainly very powerful especially being cuban american to to understand. The perspective of the complex is the story obviously has very emotional aspects the suffering of the people on a human level but you have brought in the political aspect was well and it seems qb expand cuba's misfortune in a way to attract interest from a succession of imperial powers. I spain miracle in maybe in our century russia's well do you think that they're starting to find their own fleet today. You know. I think that what you said about the continuum of that colonialism has had on cuba's obviously such a huge part of the buck and something that has obviously come up quite a bit in the bucks that i've been writing and the research that i've done cuban history so it was fasting from me from that perspective growing up in a cuban american households. So much of my family's lives was influenced by the revolution fifty nine and so much of what they spoke about in their desire to go home was influenced by that event and so now going through the historical record and looking at all of the different kind of eras in cuban history and and how cuba's gross has been influenced by foreign powers and the struggles that they faced under spain. Obviously i don't want to spoil too much about the buck for people who don't know this part of human history but health things turn out after the war but was very heartbreaking and definitely think gave me a greater appreciation of all the factors that have gone into cuba's position in the way that events have turned out so it was very interesting for me. Obviously the cry of a free cuba that you hear in the book is also one that you hear exile circles now and so that arkan back as well. That familiarity of that hope for a truly free cuba. Yes yup and it does come through the fruits of the result of the war in those years. The so-called fruit of the conqueror. They did manage to get rid of spain. But it's fair to say that the people of cuba didn't really see the fruits of a successful outcome to die. Yes i mean. There's definitely once the united states at rs. The war the tenor of the conflict changes. And obviously this is turning point in american foreign policy. So you do see that heartbreaking situation where they've been through hundreds of years under colonial rule is staying in independence is obviously not what they envisioned in that something that the characters feel very much their lives and you see that. Play out in the book. So it was heartbreaking through the story and lend to see how things are ended up not quite the way that people at home at the time. That was a concern that was going on. There was definitely discussion on whether or not american intervention in the fight depends a good thing and end within. Cuban groups definitely had divided opinions on that. Some people wanted the united states to come into the war to help out others thought that it was a dangerous situation that they did. They were concerned that the us would become entrenched in cuba. So you see those kind of conversations playing out in the novel among the different characters and the canvas that finally did tune. The americans to war was the sinking of an american battleship in havana. Harbor in saint down there with a monitoring role is the. Us main ended today controversy over why what caused the sinking of that ship. That was one area where the american newspapers husson particular sees donut and blamed the spanish for it batch. The still a lot of controversy on what really caused the main to sink. Isn't there you know. I think the largely accepted is that it wasn't accidental. Hawes would i try to do. When i'm writing. Historical fiction is really just make sure that my characters only have the information that they would have had at the time. So i try very hard to not look at anything that is external to that time period. Just because i think that often shaped so much of the character's reactions and you're so right. I really did use that. I mean all of the papers did. But i think i definitely saw that as an opportunity to bring the us into the war and then obviously that is after years of of this. Push to get the us end. That's the catalysts that really has some decide to to move to war so i wanted readers to see that aspect of it and to to go through what the characters go through which is trying to understand why this happened in the spanish are to blame or not and we talked a little bit about the naval or goes on that sort of thing so really want my readers feel like they're on the ground with the characters with the information that they had at that moment in history. Sure sure you've mentioned. Nellie bly the real life journalist at grace took us ban inspiration estimate. I looked up a little bit of about nearly. Because i hadn't heard of her before and it struck me that both your character grace antonelli they will put under extra pressure as women who were trying to break into a masculine world or male world. They weren't very readily received by the editors of those pipes women journalists but there were put under extra appreciate ahead to do things that were extreme to prove to the raiders. I'm thinking about nelle as and based gatien of the insane asylums going to actually stay in one herself under cover for some time. Did you fail. As if that was part of the way that they push the tabloid journalism in those years. You don't think there were different layers to it. definitely. I mean with nelly obliged. She's someone who at the time that the book on is sad and at the time grace might fictional characters is coming into the journalism in new york. Nellie bly is quite held in quite high esteem. She's proven herself through very stories including the work. She did a blockbuster asylum whereas grace is entering much earlier in her career. End does feel the need to prove herself more. And it's an era of stunt grow reporters. So it's it's women doing like you said outrageous stories that were frequently writing under a pseudonym so that they wouldn't be exposed for future stories and lots of going under cover the more attention grabbing the The better for getting the attention of the readers improving circulation. Nellie bly think a little But i also see someone who was very passionate about investigative journalism. I think a lot of times. She wanted to go into these certain situations because it was an opportunity for her to get the story that she felt needed to be told in that. Maybe people weren't hearing but definitely overall in new york journalism. There was a culture of of these stunt grow reporters as they were called that need to top each other in order to gain prominence within the career fields. Yeah yeah we've mentioned the first historical fiction novel that you did on cuba next year in havana. Which as we mentioned kit charleston. Esser reese witherspoon book and i know just in this spoke beautiful. The most beautiful girl on cuba that you do in the acknowledgements. Thank the reese witherspoon or club and the support that and cameraderie aspects of collegiality that you enjoy as an author and i wonder just could you share a little bit with us. How does it feel to be. I'm reese witherspoon author. What do they what do you get from. It sure. it's been an amazing opportunity. Reason in the community are so supportive. Everyone at the club has just been wonderful. Not just with next gen but with all of my subsequent boxes while they hosted the cover reveal the most beautiful cuba which was so kind of bam. And you really do feel like you're part of this very passionate community. That loves buffs. I love reading their picks and talking to their their authors and really just the joy that they have for reading and for just comes through so it's been an amazing opportunity. I'm just so grateful for the opportunity to connect with other readers and as a reader myself to buy new books that i've really loved and is it a given that will be made into a movie or is that still up in the air next year in venice it for the big screen the small screen so independent of of reasons book club the the tv petition for an extra a separate separate entity but there there are some things happening with. That can't unfortunately talk too much about it and obviously the road from to being unmoved. Tv is is definitely a long one in unpredictable. So i don't know what will happen. But i'm definitely excited about the possibility and hopefully fingers crossed will see something soon. Great great great years the tune in to wider career. Little bit away from this specific books. You've now got four hundred about. We haven't mentioned the fourth one. Sit around key but has your writing. Prices changed much between four g. Approach differently now. The new to the beginning of each really is different. I think just in terms of what that particular book demands so with next nevada in wheel of cuba because they were such a personal connections to me with my family. History in politics grew up on the stories of the revolution. I really wrote in research at the same time. I would look into something that i wanted to know. More about. That would stop and research and then go back to writing with the last key west and the most beautiful rolling. Cuba really tried to frontload research. More i learned that while i was working on the last trading because there are going a little bit further back in history they were events that i was a little less familiar with and so i think that's really helpful to have that strong research background before you start writing in often as well. The research religion forms the story for me in terms of the plot characterization and so it was particularly with the most beautiful rolling cuba when i was researching is when i learned about evangelina nets and decided schubert's gonna be a character in the novel and and really that helped shape the direction of the buck. So that's probably been the biggest change. I still write all my buxton scribner. And i still love the revision process in each buck. I like the opportunity to thursday. Revision passes possible. That's where i really feel. Like i can make the buck shine. That says those things have stayed the same. Do a big strong outline will. Do you lit the story develop. Organically regard am not a plotter saying what we call panther work. Let the story develop as i'm writing often. I will start with a kernel of an idea. I'll have an idea of my characters are but as i'm researching and as i'm writing i find that the story is constantly surprising. Bmi characters constantly surprising me as leading the unexpected directions. But that's one of the things. I love most about writing. I think is that opportunity to go down at new paths and end to be surprised by your work. I mean it's always fun to start the day off thinking i'm gonna go in one direction than finding something that takes fan a different one. That relieves suits the book while so without giving away any spoilers. Can you tell us any surprise. You got writing the last book beautiful girl with things. You thought were going to happen. That didn't jaw things that did happen that you didn't think we're going to. You know i would say honestly pretty much. All of it was released a pricing. This is such a fascinating erin. History and. I don't think i really appreciated that until i started researching the book and instill until i started writing it. I mean you just have these very kind of larger than life figure is doing outrageous things and then you have. The really powerful story vote was planning. Cuba didn't really moving for me. And then evangeline obviously her story line was definitely i kind of it was more by. Couldn't a fictionalized something like it was definitely on one of those rare cases where realized it was a little more unexpected. Anything fictionalized. So the whole book was religious. Incredible journey. I feel like i learned so much writing about it and also really enjoyed the research in what i learned that. It's great a wonder. Has you load prices. This being much affected by the pandemic that we're still enduring and how much of you be an impact to generally by the things that have been going on around jury. You know this is definitely been a move to virtual events which i had released West came out last june. So i had released another book with the pandemic was going on and that was my first move to to lots of virtual events. Obviously we in person i planned and then had to change it all virtual but this time it having had that point of reference have been through a virtual released once it was helpful to to know what to expect but definitely hand. I think it's great that you have an opportunity to connect with readers who might not be able to go to events in certain locations so it's really nice that were able to connect virtually in heavy conversations. Obviously what's nice while having the same person visits but if being everyone is a really great job of pivoting to these virtual events has been so supportive in. It's just wonderful to see that enthusiasm for for buckle benz. Fantastic because you know. This is the joy of binge waiting tuned into canales reader. I know you've been madly reiten. Since i talked to you last but hopefully you've had some john to do some reading. Have you got any recommendations ground listeners of books that you may be read in the last eighteen months that you feel. Are you know with the investigating. I've run some amazing arc's adver historical fiction. That's coming out this year. So i would really recommend natasha leicester's the rivera house. I that one's phenomenal. I think it's to out at the end of august. It's a world war. Two miserable fiction at set in france during the nazi occupation or deals with art theft really beautiful read. I love her books. Not one was amazing. I also really enjoyed island queen by vanessa riley. That's a fascinating read about dorothy cure on thomas. Who's this amazing woman who lived in the caribbean. She was born in slave And became one of the most influential and powerful woman in the end her time and so that was beautiful. Read about wins out in july and then also rely loved the personal librarian by marie. Benedek and victoria. Christopher murray not wanna thinks out in july as in it's the story of bel dacosta green who was p. morgan's personal librarian and she has incredible story as wall. So lots of great fiction. I think readers are going to have a really good reading here this year. it's fantastic. They all sound great. We had baton on the show actually with okay and it's the parents secretly oak. Yes yeah okay fantastic. So circling around. Where would coming to the end of our time together circling random looking over the last few years and your overall career as now session where you are. Is there anything you'd change if you were doing it all again. I don't think so. I've been really fortunate in my career and think microseconds Unexpected passive been able to write in many different genres. Whichever really enjoyed That's that's been really fun for me as well. So i'm just very grateful and i'm excited to see what direction things go into the future. Shula now what is nixed for chanel. The writer what have you got coming up in the next twelve months site so may next release will be out next year. I believe it's going to be out next summer. Probably and i can't do much about it yet. But it set in the nineteen sixties in the nineteen thirties and it features three heroines one of them isabelle prize. So she's one of the sisters from the first two bucks and her story kind of picked up when we left cuba left off and her story interweaves with two other women who are ancestors of marina. Prez is one of the heroines in the most beautiful girl in cuba's weak-kneed her branch the family and it sat in south florida disdain. New york and cuba so it was a really interesting book for me to work on. And i'm just really excited to be able to share more about it soon. that's fantastic. That's going to be great fun so it's not exactly a series but it is likely have these linked characters. I want to know what happened. Knicks marina so. It'd be john's to find out yes. I love getting to revisit them but also readers haven't read the previous books. You can jump in at any time and you won't be messing things so that's nice as well. That's absolutely right now. You mentioned about doing the digital launch. Where can readers find you online. Do you enjoy interacting with them. I love talking to readers. I have a website. Www dot healthy dot com where you can find but club can send information about may books. I'm also on instagram. Schnell clayton and facebook at author clean. love chatting about bucks and talking about what i'm reading and just always happy to have that those that time with readers really cool that we can share this level of bucks together in the show for the safest side we will have links to all of those as well as the rest of chanels books. You can always find us online. The thanks so much for being with us today chanel. it's been really good talking and wonderful to once again catch up on what you're doing. Thank you so much for having me. This was this was wonderful. I really appreciate it. 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