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1908, Taft vs Bryan: A Significant Loser

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1908, Taft vs Bryan: A Significant Loser

"It's November eighteen eighty on the baird farm in Perry Illinois. John Lavina Baird have gathered their family together for the Thanksgiving holiday. It's a special occasion. Their daughter Mary. Elizabeth Baird has brought along against a college boy. She recently met named William last month. William WanNA debate contest and a fifty dollar prize. He used his winnings to buy a ring. A Garnet stone set in a simple gold van. He sent it to Mary and Astor. If it would do. Mary said he would do just fine. Provided her father approved. William is a deeply religious man the chaplain and the Sigma Pi Literary Society. He wouldn't think of proposing without Mr Baird's consent so he's come to Perry Illinois to ask her father's blessing William Hand in hand with Mary approaches Mr Barrot and the Sitting Room Mr Baird William Clams. Oppa sweat drips down his brow. Mary gives his hand a comforting. Squeeze William Finds through his nerves. Mister Barone I've been reading proverbs a good deal lately and find that Solomon says who so findeth a wife a good thing and obtain a favor of the Lord Mr Bayard sizes up the young man for a moment before offering a reply. Yes I believe. Solomon did say that Williams season opening is about to get to the heart of the matter. Mr Barry cut him off but hall suggests that while he that Mary a stew with well. He that Maria's not do with better Williams unsure of what to say. He looks to marry for comfort. But she's just as tongue-tied as he is then. Suddenly inspiration strikes with confident but humble smile William offers his retort with respect. Mister Barone I believe Solomon would be the best authority on this point and how Sat Sun Hall was never married while Solomon had a number of wives. Mr Bears face tightens. Mary's eyes go wide. The lump and Williams throw couldn't be any bigger but then a smile flashes across Mister Peres face gets willing the friendly slap on the back and flashes a smile. Excellent point young man. Mary Elizabeth Baird and William Jennings Bryan married three years later in October. Eighteen eighty four soon after their nachos. Mary learned that she had to compete with Williams other love politics after his undergraduate years as a chaplain William would go on to attend law school and established a successful law practice in Lincoln Nebraska. He would serve in the House of Representatives. For Nebraska's first district he would rise to prominence and prestige in the Democratic Party and you would stand as the Democratic nominee for president in the elections of eighteen ninety six one thousand nine hundred though he would be soundly defeated. Both Times William Jennings Bryan was a man of unshakable faith and steadfast determination in the Nineteen O eight contest William would again secure his party's nomination and on the campaign trail. He would preach the gospel of populism but to win the election. He would need more than a hope. And a prayer I'm Lindsey Graham and this is American elections wicked game Democrat William Jennings Bryan had lost the eighteen ninety six and nineteen hundred contests and lost big in eighteen ninety six. He lost by nearly one hundred electoral votes. In nineteen hundred. He lost nearly one hundred fifty. Many Democrats were wary therefore of giving Brian a third shot former president. Grover Cleveland in particular was convinced that a Brian nomination would ensure a Republican victory for president. Teddy Roosevelt handpicked successor. William Howard Taft on election night in nineteen. Oh four teddy. Roosevelt had promised not to seek re election in nineteen. Oh eight almost immediately. He regretted that decision and later confided to a friend. I would cut my hand off right there if I could recall that written statement. Teddy's promise on election night made him an instant. Lame duck president in some respects it hampered his ability to get things done in Washington but it also freed him from any obligation to the conservative faction of the Republican Party and their supporters on Wall Street after his election in nineteen. Oh four teddy push for many progressive reforms. Earning him the label radical but to carry forward Teddy Progressive Legacy his chosen heir William Howard. Taft would have his work cut out for him. The Republican Party was largely split two factions those who supported Teddy's progressive reforms and those Wall Street conservatives who did not in his efforts to appease both wings of the Party. Taff would leave. Open the door for William Jennings Bryan to cast the election of nineteen thousand eight as a contest between the status quo and populism between the wealthy elite and the people this episode thirty one nineteen away taff versus Brian. A significant loser. It's mid August morning. Nineteen O six at Fort Brown military outpost in Brownsville Texas. A long line of black soldiers stand in formation outside the fort's main entrance across from these buffalo soldiers to arm Texas Ranger. Stare them down Captain Bill McDonald and his nephew. Sergeant William McCauley Captain. Mcdonald's steps forward an automatic shotgun grip tightly in his hands. I demand to speak to the officer in charge of this garrison. The buffalo soldiers don't move a muscle. They silently hold their position. Nervous the captain's nephew whispers captain. Maybe we should call for backup but his uncle. Captain MacDonald isn't interested in waiting for reinforcements. The local whites and Hispanics and Brownsville had their differences over the years but they agree on one thing. These black soldiers are menace. Animosity has been building since the black troops arrived in Fort Brown back in July a few days ago. The black troops retaliated with a raid on Brownsville. Or so captain MacDonald believes a White. Bartender was killed a local policeman. Jose Dominguez was shot his arm amputated as a result captain. Mcdonald's investigation revealed that these black troops are responsible so he calls out again. I have in my possession. Twelve warrants for members of this regiment. And I demand to speak to the officer in charge but again no response a soldier stand firm to hell with it. Mcdonald makes a beeline for the fort's entrance. His nephew calls out what you doing. Stay if you want. I'm going inside. Oh God help us colleen. Nervously follows McDonald as he stormed up to the gate. But the soldiers don't step aside so McDonald. Macaulay have to force their way through their formation. Just as they're about to break through captain MacDonald to Rangers. Look up to find Major. Cw Penrose Commander of the Twenty Fifth Regiment. No sense charging how with a bucket of water. Bill follow me inside the commander's office penrose and McDonald's across from each other as penrose pours him drink. Mcdonald gets right down to the business at hand on the order of the judge. You are to relinquish to me the twelve men in your possession. They're not in my possession. Captain they are under my command and I must refuse. You have witnesses. That proved their guilty major. My men are innocent captain on the night in question every last one of them was present and accounted for. That's a lie. Mind your tone captain. Furious McDonald angrily stands. You defy the order of an officer of the court. I don't report to the courts I report to my commanding officers and they report to the president of the United States. I will not turn over my men. Will that be all seeing? No solution captain. Mcdonald's stormed out of the office slamming the door behind the Brownsville affair as it would come to be called potential Roosevelt in the position of serving as judge jury and punisher after the Brownsville raid. Local residents in Brownsville. Blame Major Penrose's regiment of Buffalo soldiers for rate on their town. The army conducted an investigation. It was overseen by Roosevelt's War Secretary and Presidential Air William Howard Taft even in the face of a total lack of evidence. The army concluded that the soldiers were responsible teddy accepted the army's findings as punishment tenny ordered the entire regiment dishonorably discharged. The only a handful of the soldiers were accused. Teddy dismissed all one hundred sixty seven members of the twentieth regiment. But this decision would cost him. You leave a stain on his presidential legacy and who would leave. Open the door for his political enemies to seize power in late August of nineteen ninety six just a few weeks after the Brownsville incident William Jennings Bryan the forty six year old former congressman from Nebraska. Return from a year long world tour. He arrived in New York City just in time for a political rally in Madison Square Garden. Even two years before the National Democratic Convention William Jennings Bryan was for many the presumptive nominee for his party. His presence in New York was greeted by one. Modern Reiner called the greatest ovation ever given to a private American citizen. Since Brian's departure on his world tour year earlier the political landscape changed quite a bit. Journalists done a commendable job of exposing corrupt corporations newspapers had exposed gross examples of the courts flouting the law for Wall Street's benefits all across the country. The people were growing tired of the status quo in Alabama. A Democrat had recently been elected governor on a promise to free the people from the alien an arbitrary rule of big business specifically the mighty railroad industry from the White House. Teddy Roosevelt had taken steps to curb. Big Business seeking stricter federal regulations over the railroad and meat industry making moves to ban corporate money from the political process though many conservative Democrats Wall Street Republicans in Congress pushed back Teddy's progressive posture made him popular with people. Aligning for change. Still his many missteps including scandals. Like the Brownsville affair left Chinks in his armor and served to weaken William Howard. Taft position for the upcoming election in one thousand nine hundred eight. Additionally Teddy's push for progressive reforms had made him persona non grata on Wall Street as President Teddy had tried to strike a balance between Labor and business. He was perpetually frustrated by this belief on Wall Street that I am a wild eyed revolutionist though Wall Street thought him a radical many progressives thought he was not radical enough William Jennings Bryan sought to used as vulnerability to his advantage. If Teddy and taft or playing for the Middle Brian would play to the left. His first salvo would be on the question of the railroads most powerful industry in the country so powerful that many wondered if the railroads largely public service should be nationalized by the government shortly after arriving in New York. Brian took a progressive position. Telling reporters at the railroad's must ultimately become public property and managed by public officials in the interest of the whole community. If Brian was trying to make room for progressives in the Democratic Party he was running the risk of alienating conservative Democrats in the south many of whom saw Bryan as dangerous man with dangerous ideas like many Republicans in the North. Most Southern Democrats did not support public ownership of the railroads but unlike the Wall Street Republicans their reasons were not purely financial. If railroad were made public the government could infringe on their Jim crow laws and force Weiss to share trains with blacks. This put Brian in a tough spot. If he dug in his heels on the railroad question he would alienate many in the south and without a solid south behind his nomination. He could not win the election but Brian also feared that he could not beat William Howard Taft. Without stealing away a large chunk of progressive voters ultimately Bryant went with politically safe route and resolve not to die in the hill of the railroad question weeks later at a gathering in Kentucky. He told the crowd of Democrats. I've spoken for myself and for myself. Only Brian Promise not to force public railroads into the party's platform but his speeches in New York had clearly shown that Brian wanted to take the traditionally conservative Democratic Party in a new direction. Meanwhile one pro Wall Street. Republican wanted to move his party in a new direction as well and sought to benefit from Teddy Roosevelt handling of the Brownsville affair to position himself as the Republican nominee Ohio senator. Joseph four occur was a politically ambitious man. He had had his eye on the White House as far back the early. Nineteen hundreds initially had hoped to curry favor with President. Roosevelt in hopes of becoming teddy's heir apparent but when Teddy handpicked William Howard Taft fork or turned his back on the Roosevelt Administration and cozied up instead to the fat cats on Wall Street in the years leading up to the nineteen o eight contest fork or had been looking for an opportunity to pounce on both teddy and taft he found that opportunity in nineteen. Oh six with the Brownsville affair for her had always been a strong advocate for civil rights as a soldier during the civil war. He said that he wanted the war. To last until slavery is abolished and every colored man is made a citizen and has given precisely the same civil and political rights that the white man has still foreigners. Critics accused him of playing politics of using the scandal to bolster his own nomination. Whatever his motivations late in one thousand nine hundred six Fokker went on the attack he pushed for a Senate investigation into the president's conduct passed a resolution ordering war secretary taft to turn over all records related to the affair taff kicked and screamed but was ultimately forced to comply tatty said little in public but privately he was distraught. The timing of foreigners investigation could not have been worse. Teddy was about to receive the Nobel Peace Prize. The first American ever bestowed without honor. The BROWNSVILLE affair threatened to orange that achievement and his legacy so in the winter of nineteen await teddy fought back on December nineteenth. He delivered a special message to the Senate in it. He stood by his actions in the Brownsville affair. Point to the army's internal investigation according to the army's findings the men were guilty. So Teddy did nothing wrong. By punishing them and in defending the punishment he doled out teddy pointed to the evidence and the droves a witnesses who testified to the horrific crimes committed by the soldiers teddy chose his words poorly though saying a blacker never stained annals of our army for had previously asserted that dishonorable discharge was too harsh teddy. Insisted the punishment wasn't harsh enough stating the proper punishment from Newton. Years and murderers such as those guilty of the Brownsville. Assault is death for response to Teddy's message on the Senate floor was firm convincing. The soldiers were innocent. There was no evidence against him. There weren't droves witnesses. There were eight an all big. It's not only was Teddy Roosevelt Wrong. But by dismissing the entire regiment on such flimsy grounds the president had potentially violated the law with his powerful rebuttal. Foreigner declared war on Teddy Roosevelt. And William Howard. Taft Teddy was smart enough to see that the rift between him and fork threatened to split the party. And that's flipped my cost William Howard taft the nomination at the Republican National Convention set to take place the following summer so in January of nineteen thousand seven teddy launched another counteroffensive against Senator forder and his friends on Wall Street. This time though the battle would not be fought in Congress. Teddy would take the fight to another front. He would use the press to kill foreigners. Momentum put a nail in the coffin of his presidential ambitions. Wicked game is sponsored by pretty litter. The one member of my family completely unfazed by the world absolutely turning inside out is my cat. He doesn't seem to care that his food is now being delivered along with everything else. He doesn't care that we're all in the house all the time. He doesn't care because he's a cat. 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Roosevelt is the guest of honor at a meeting of the Gridiron Club at prestigious society of journalists tiny sits at a long narrow wooden table that runs the length of the room. The rest of the guests at a table that extend out at right angles off the main table. So that the configuration resembles gridiron. This meeting of the Gridiron Club is a. Who's who of statesmen senators and titans of business. Men Like J. P. Morgan who sits just a few seats down from the President Teddy is set to make a speech after dinner and he barely pays attention to the hot plate of food in front of him man next to him. Notices WILL MR PRESIDENT. I can have the kitchen bring you something else if fine Mr Blythe. Teddy's in an especially foul mood tonight. Because Wall Street's favourite Senator Joseph Fokker Ohio also sits just a few feet away senator fork or feels teddy. Got The BROWNSVILLE affair. All wrong he feels. The evidence is scant that many of the eye witnesses are lying and fork or hasn't been shy about criticizing Teddy on the Senate floor or to the press. So Teddy stews with rage. His eyes fixed on forever hoping to lighten the mood. Mr Blyth's slides teddy apart favor for the Gridiron Club guests. A small booklet of cartoons titled. Who's who wants this silly thing a book of caricatures what is good for a laugh tenny thumbs through the booklet until he comes across a sketch of himself in the cartoon tenny writes a speech with his right hand and shoots a bear with his left while kicking a black man while he's down and it's a direct shot. Teddy's actions related to the BROWNSVILLE AFFAIR. And the implication is clear ten years. No friend of the black man live can tell teddy is none too happy with his depiction. It's all in good fun. Mr President it's not meant to be taken seriously but ten he doesn't like the joke he angrily flips through the booklet until he comes across a sketch of Senator Forber in it the cartoon. Fokker is willing to smiling. Black voters underneath is a crude set of lyrics that starts all coons look alike to me. It's a jab at senator fork implying that he doesn't really care about black Americans he's just using them as a political tool to bolster his presidential prospects. Tatty DOESN'T TAKE ANY COMFORT JAB at four. He's furious at the insinuation that he's racist but in the cartoon. Teddy does see a political opportunity. He leans over to Mr Blyth. I'd like to say a few words. These gentlemen right now blythe can see teddy means business. He orders the wait staff to pause dinner service. Then Blythe stands and quiet to the room. Gentlemen gentlemen the President of the United States stands. He's tired of fork or attacking. He's tired of being called a racist and he's tired of Wall Street calling him a radical as he takes the floor teddy decides. That enough is enough. Do you see this gentleman. Teddy gestures to the row of Wall Street. Men Sitting on a long table beside him. Looks like a millionaire's row to me. Teddy STARES DOWN. Jp Morgan and the rest. If you gentlemen are not prepared to accept the actions of my administration which is ready to afford protection to the rich and the poor I will say to you now that you will find yourself face to face with a mob which has no respect for you or your riches room fall steadily silent. Ten is just getting started now about this investigation into my presidency. I tell you it's purely academic there's no substance to it at all. I act properly. Congress has no right to challenge me and he holds up the sketchbook for all to see. Jp Fork says all coons look alike to me does he. Will I say they do not all look alike to me? Teddy slams down the pamphlet and anger then goes on a tirade that lasts half an hour. He defends his actions and attacks. Senator forager for politicizing the Brownsville affair. Ben He takes the seat victoriously traditionally no one speaks after the president of the United States. Teddy assumes the last word is his but he shocked when Mr Blithe rises and says Thank you Mr President. I see the hour for bloody sarcasm has arrived. So I take the liberty of calling upon senator fork for some remarks. The crowd applauds as senator fork or takes the floor. Though I I must admit I'm embarrassed to follow president. Roosevelt as I have been singled out by name action. I have no choice but respond. No one in this country ever loved the president more than I did. That was when he was in the right in the wrong though I have opposed him and will always do so. That is the way I see my duty to my conscience. My constituents in my country I would remind the president that no one is about the law and no one is beneath. I would say that in the spirit of the Fourteenth Amendment Forum Pauses Stares Teddy Straight in the eyes all persons look alike to me a Teddy Roosevelt and senator corker went back and forth all night. Dinner Service never resumed and the meeting was adjourned at midnight given that the exchange took place in front of a room full of journalists. It's not surprising that it made headlines. The next day the fork or Roosevelt standoff was the talk of Washington hearings for the Brownsville affair began a week later lasted well over year in the end the military affairs committee would side with Teddy. What history would not? The BROWNSVILLE affair remains a stain on Teddy's presidential legacy nearly seventy years after the fact. The army reinvestigated the incident. The Buffalo soldiers were cleared of all wrongdoing at the Gridiron. Dinner Teddy did his best to defend himself charges of racism senator fork or did his best to defend himself against suggestions that he was politicizing. The BROWNSVILLE affair but perhaps the real winner of the Roosevelt four occur. Instant was William Howard. Taft Taft was present at dinner that night and was smart enough to keep his mouth shut throughout the Brownsville affair. Taft as war secretary had done his and followed Teddy's orders but he had also kept his hands. Clean of the scandal. Taff had privately tried to reverse the discharges of the black soldiers. He had sought a proper rehearing of the evidence he had even pointed out to teddy that some of the eyewitness statements were in conflict. Though this was not public knowledge it was proof to party. Insiders that taft was a loyalist and unlike Fokker. He was not beholden to Wall Street after the Roosevelt fork or incident tafs path. The White House was free and clear assuming of course that Teddy Roosevelt didn't want another term ten he had publicly promised not to seek renomination in nineteen. Oh eight but if he had wanted it there would have been little resistance. Tenny was young still in his fifties a man with boundless energy as one Republican told the press. I know that the president does not want the nomination of course if the convention should nominate him he would have to take it and when pressed on the question of another term teddy himself had one said now. Don't let us have any of that. Damn nonsense when I made that declaration on the night of my election I knew what I was about mostly teddy was ready to leave the White House behind perhaps to return to a military command or spent his days hunting big game on an African Safari William Howard. Taft will be the next Republican nominee and in the lead up to the convention. Most delegates agreed but deep down. Taft did not want the White House either. He had his sights set on another post. The Supreme Court days before the Republican convention taff told a Republican senator. If your friend chief justice fuller should retire and the president should send me a commission chief justice I would take. The Republican National Convention began on June Sixteenth Nineteen at the Chicago Coliseum. Taft did not attend choosing to remain in Washington in his office at the war department. Teddy worked from his office in the West Wing but throughout the convention the two men stayed in close communication with each other and with the delegates in Chicago a few days into the Convention Chairman Henry Cabot Lodge speech praising Teddy Roosevelt a man. He called the most popular man in the United States today at the sound of his name. Ten thousand plus attendees broke into spontaneous. Chance four more years and we want Teddy. The cheering lasted for forty nine minutes. Teddy knew that four more years would be impossible. He would later write that. It was absolutely necessary that I should not be nominated. If I had accepted my power for useful service would have forever been lessened because nothing could have prevented the wide diffusion of the impression that I had not really meant when I had said that my actions did not really square with the highest and finest code of ethics in if there is any value whatever in my career as far as my countrymen are concerned it consistent their belief that I have been both inefficient public man and at the same time a disinterested public servant prior to the Convention The Washington Post had written. There is but one man who can prevent the Republican Party from nominating Theodore Roosevelt and that man is Theodore Roosevelt. So Teddy. Quietly instructed party leaders to squash any efforts to nominate him. When William Howard? Taft name was finally brought forward. The crowd again erupted in cheers tasks wife. Helen remarked back in Washington. I only want it to last more than forty nine minutes. It lasted for half an hour. But still taft was teddy's man and in the end. The delegates came through. Taft was nominated with over seven. Hundred Votes Senator. Corker received only sixteen but the real surprise at the Convention Center around the choice for Tass running-mate on that Front Wall Street scored. A victory with veteran congressman. James Sherman of New York a big business conservative the nineteen o eight. Republican convention was the first time in American history that a political party used a preference primary a process where voters directly decided the presidential nominee of their party. The introduction of the primary system had largely been the work of the Progressive Movement. Over the course of the early nineteen hundreds. The states had moved away from the top down convention model and towards the primary model system. Progressives felt was more democratic in these preference primaries convention delegates were required to vote for the candidate who had won the primary election in their state critics though accused Teddy Roosevelt of scheming behind the scenes to fix the outcome. One scorned presidential hopeful said no administration in the history of this government ever gave more flagrant example of political control of delegates than was brazenly flaunted in the face of the public at the Convention of one thousand nine hundred eight still in the eyes of most Republicans. The Taft Sherman combination was a unity ticket. Taft with his backing from Teddy Roosevelt would make them more progressive wing of the party. Happy Sherman would pacify the conservatives with a unified Republican Party. Democrats would have their hands. Full come November as they geared up for their democratic national convention in July of Nineteen Thousand Eight William Jennings Bryan would seek to unite his party behind the idea. That the Taft Sherman Alliance was the Wall Street ticket that Brian was the candidate of the people going into the Democratic convention in July of Nineteen. O Eight William Jennings. Bryan's greatest challenge was not securing. His party's nomination. It was overcoming. Teddy Roosevelt Teddy's decision not to stand in the nineteen. O Eight contest had been a political blunder when it had also freed him from the shackles of Kowtowing to Wall Street and caving to the Conservatives in his party throughout nineteen o seven teddy and move the needle on progressive reform. Heat attack stock manipulators on Wall Street and l'ambassade the courts for not standing up to big business. He had gone after shady trusts and endorsed. Labor reforms like workers compensation and short her work hours. Much of this was political territory. Brian was trying to carve out for himself. And O'Brien wasn't technically running against Teddy Roosevelt in a sense. He was running against his legacy. As Brian said I find it very difficult to be pardon now for if I make a straight out democratic speech the first thing I know the president makes one of the same kind and then the subject immediately becomes nonpartisan so instead of contending with Teddy. Brian had tried his best to keep the conversation. Focused on taft. A man who is far less bulletproof throughout the spring of nineteen thousand eight Bryan's campaign spearheaded by his brother Charles had been relentless Bryan. His brother had drafted countless. Reform proposals initiatives. Taft would never back. Brian also made multiple overtures to organize labor and had fought to get the unions on his side. In addition Brian owned edited and published the commoner. A weekly newspaper in Lincoln Nebraska with a vast readership throughout the spring. Brian had made a weapon of the commoner amplifying his message using the paper to trounce. William Howard Taft a man. He portrayed as a Wall Street sell. Brian's efforts paid off on July Eleventh Nineteen O eight William Jennings Bryan secured. The Democratic Party's nomination on the first ballot with a massive proportion votes almost ninety percent the following day. The Future Indiana senator. John Kern was elected as his running mate. The Democratic Platform was a reflection of Bryan's populist ideas but the Democratic Party was not entirely united behind the Brian Currin ticket Brian A NEBRASKA. Politician dolittle to inspire southern voters. Many of whom were still wary over his calls for government control. The railroad's southern Democrats saw publicly controlled railroads as a recipe for one thing forced desegregation so as the Nineteen O. Eight campaign got underway in earnest. Brian sought to assuage the concerns of white voters. In the south by relying on his strongest political tribute is gift with words. It's September Fifteenth Nineteen. Oh wait a the fairgrounds. In roanoke Virginia William Jennings Bryan sits in a chair on a platform in front of an immense crowd largest gathering in the history of South West Virginia. The governor of Virginia takes the podium and introduces the man. They've all come to see. It is my honor and privilege to present your nominee for President Congressman William Jennings Bryan Bryan walks to the podium looking tall lean and handsome projects. The image of a devout man with strong faith and his powerful voice lends credence to that image. Brian addresses the crowd. Democracy is a doctrine that appeals to the hearts of men. Dan Why Democratic Party lives on whether it wins or loses and of course. Brian knows all about losing. He's lost two presidential contests in eighteen. Ninety six in one thousand nine hundred. It's been twenty years since the Democrat won a presidential election but Brian offers the large crowd of Democrats something. They haven't felt in a long time. Hope Today Democrats should feel full of optimism because Americans understand democracy better today than ever before. Brian then turns his speech to another subject Republican corruption. But he doesn't use incendiary rhetoric. He makes an eloquent spiritual appeal. I'm willing to go down on my knees and ask my heavenly father. Give us this day. Our daily bread when I am not willing to make millions of my countrymen go down on their knees and say to some trust magnet. Give us this day our daily bread and have him reply. I will if you vote. The ticket. I want you to vote in the impending campaign. We challenge the Republican. Party's platform and we will stay hours. Boldly you cannot regulate a private monopoly. You cannot waste time trying to restrain it. You must kill it. Outright as the crowd goes wild. Brian gets to the heart of the matter. He addresses an issue. That many in the south artifically concerned about his position on the railroads two years ago it has been set of me that. I reached the conclusion that government ownership of the railroads was the only solution to the question. Busting monopolies is one thing but giving the federal government control over. The railroads is another people in this crowd. Do not want to be forced to share railcars with black-americans triggered by the mention of the railroad crowd begins to turn but Brian Presses on have no fear Virginia. My position on this question has been misconstrued and misstated so let me state my position now. Government ownership of the railroad is out of the question. It is a path fraught with danger. I am now as I have always been a believer in the Democratic of local self government with his daily bread. Speech in September of Nineteen Ninety eight William Jennings Bryan hoped convinced. The people of the south that his fight against big business would not come at the expense of Jim Crow. His words were printed in newspapers across the country and as he continued to court the South he also turned his attention to winning over the American worker and solidifying himself as the candidate for the American labor movement and thanks to an aggressive effort by the Brian Campaign. The American Federation of Labor a powerful Group of labor unions backed William Jennings Bryan marking the first time the AFL ever endorsed presidential candidate getting the AFL support was no small feat and with its two million members in his corner. Brian was starting to look like a real contender. Brian was relentless in the Nineteen. O eight contests. He mounted a tireless campaign. Backed by a popular slogan. Shall the people rule? Brian launched a series of aggressive campaign tours on the trail he promised to attack trusts and restrict the power of big business to fight for Labor to lower tariffs and to make elections more democratic by allowing the people to vote directly for their senators instead of leaving it up to state assemblies. Brian painted himself as a true progressive. And he painted taft as the candidate of the wealthy elite William Howard. Taft was not blind to the threat posed by Brian. Taft was a reluctant candidate. He would prefer to hold out for a Supreme Court nomination. His wife convinced him that declining bid for the presidency was out of the question. Taft one behind. I hate politics. He especially hated making political speeches. After winning the nomination. He complained that the one thousand nine hundred contest would be kind of nightmare for me. But after Brian secured the endorsement of the AFL. Taft had no choice but to hit the road and fight. The nineteen eighty contest was arguably the first election in US history where both candidates actively stumped for themselves and taft had a lot to brag about after a brief financial scare in one thousand nine hundred seven. The economy was thriving. Taft had the endorsement of most major newspapers and the financial backing of Wall Street but the biggest feather and tax cap was the backing of Teddy Roosevelt. Many Joe Task Political Platform could have been summed up in four words. Take advice from Teddy. Brian Dared Teddy to stay out of the campaign saying Teddy should let his man and me fight it out before the people late in the campaign when Brian was asked what he thought. Taft believed. Brian said he didn't know. And that taft had neither he'd have to ask. Teddy. I but in the end. Despite Brian's heroic efforts it was teddy's influence that proved more potent than Brian's populism Brian's third and final presidential campaign ended in defeat and his biggest one yet Bryan lost by over two million popular votes. He won only sixteen states and a meager one hundred. Sixty two electoral votes teddy's prestige had carried the election soundly for his friend and colleague. William Howard Taft on March fourth nineteen O nine. Taft was sworn in as America's twenty seventh president but a severe blizzard put a damper on the proceedings. The capital was hit by one of the worst ice storms and DC's history on the day of the inauguration. Taft Joke Teddy Roosevelt. I always said it would be a Cold Day in hell when I got to be president while William Jennings Bryan's final campaign in one thousand. Nine hundred was a failure. It was not without significance. Bryan's populist appeal to the American worker pulled the Democratic Party out of the Political Dark Ages and into the era of progressivism. Democrats had long been a Conservative Party. That reviled any form of government intervention. Bryan's campaign move. The party left. He had opened the door for future. Democrat to make appeals to labor and to speak to the American people's fears that big business was strangling them. It might be said that through his defeat in one thousand nine hundred eight William Jennings Bryan laid the groundwork for the rise of a new leader in the progressive movement. Democrat Woodrow Wilson in the Nineteen twelve contest. Wilson would seek to ride the wave of progressive politics all the way to the White House. And to Deny William Howard taft his chance at four more years to get the best of Wilson and win a second term. Taft would I have to win? His party's nomination from the very man who helped put him in the White House. Nineteen twelve. Teddy and taft returned from friends foes on the next episode of wicked game the Election of Nineteen Twelve as William Howard. Taft Fights Teddy Roosevelt for control of the Republican Party. The Democrats fight to lay claim to the political. Left presidential hopeful. Woodrow Wilson seeks to reineck growing wave of progressivism all the way to sixteen hundred. Pennsylvania Avenue. Don't miss a single week of our marsh from seventeen eighty nine to twenty twenty. Hit the subscribe button on your podcast APP now. This show was supported by you. Our listeners please give a rating leave a review with a single best way to help the show grow is to tell others share with your friends and family and find us on social media wicked game pot. And I'm at Lindsey Graham. Another way to support this show is to go to wicked game. Podcast DOT COM members. There get early access to add free episodes as well as bonus content only available to members. Find out more at wicked game. 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Take a Trip to Glacier National Park

Aerial America

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Take a Trip to Glacier National Park

"It lies south of the Canadian border covers sixteen hundred square miles and is known as glacier national park. It's home to some of the most inspiring peaks in the lower forty eight more than seventy million years ago crashing tectonic plates. I pushed up these mountains much more recently during the last ice age ten thousand years ago, giant lasers carved out new valley and formations as they passed. It's called glacier national park, both for the twenty-five glaciers that still remain and for their behemoth forefathers, the ones that sculpted this incredible landscape. Evidence of enormous power is everywhere. This rocky pinnacle called a horn was created when two glaciers slid along both sides of a single mountain sculpting what lay in between into a spectacular peak? In eighteen eighty five a naturalist named George bird Grinnell visited Montana fell in love with its glaciers and decided he worked to preserve the area as a national park. So that mining tycoons didn't ruin its natural beauty. Faraway in Montana hidden from view by clustering mountain peaks. He later road lies unmapped northwestern corner. The crowd of the continent. Grenell? Worked tirelessly for years and finally in nineteen ten a quarter of a century after he first visited Montana president William Howard Taft signed a Bill to create glacier national park. Still one while tycoon succeeded in finding a way to cash in on this epic landscape. But he didn't do it with oil rings goals bites. He did it by tapping another great American resource. Tourism? At the time Americans were spending hundreds of millions of dollars travelling to Europe for vacation. Railroad magnet Louis. Warren hill wanted to bring them to Montana instead on his great northern railway. So the railway helped promote glacier national park by calling it, America's Switzerland. And with billboards that read see America first. Once visitors arrived here stepped off heels trains, they found comfortable Swiss-style lodgings. Many glacier hotel named for the parks. Many glaciers opened in nineteen fifteen and promised him Africans. The full Swiss experience from alpine architecture to bellhop and later hose. It's still thrives today as historical tell. For those looking for a truly rustic experience. There were also the Sperry shall as these backcountry. Chalets can only be reached by hiking over six miles or on horseback.

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A story you wont believe

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

16:06 min | 4 months ago

A story you wont believe

"Welcome to kiss miss and mystery. Signed your host Kit Crumbs. I WanNa talk about research for a moment of the of the hundreds of novels and novellas hybrid nor the past twenty years of the three hundred plus stories. I've written for this podcast research was a backbone and one story in particular stance out and I've received hundreds of emails asking me to repeat this. I've got the script in front of me. For this. That evolves the research. It came out in two stories one was called. Where DID BILLY GO? The other one was a strange case of Billy falstaff referring to the same individual so I will read these as clearly as possible. Today's podcast where to billy go is by far the most bizarre story. I've ever run across because it is so unbelievable. I've decided to relate the steps taken in an effort to make sensible this remember. Those words were part of the podcast almost a year ago. This is a story of an eleven year. Old Boy who vanished from just outside Tucson Arizona. While performing in front of twenty two adult witnesses he was discovered seventy two hours later wandering across a civil war battlefield fifteen hundred miles distance in the southwestern area of Tennessee. The site was Shiloh national military park. He was discovered by tourists taking a tour who identified a distant figures looking like a child. And I'll speak more on this in a minute. I want to go over some of the things I did. It all started when I was scouring some thirty seven year old. Fbi files so. This was a cold case. I hadn't looked at it in a long time the FBI files. But I hope to find something intriguing when I noticed under the child. Abduction section the case involving a young boy he'd been abducted in nineteen eighty to remember that date from his Arizona. Residence was located in south western Tennessee wandering as a state park three days later. What caught my eye is that this was marked s kidnapping and there is no. Rassam call the FBI were brought in was discovered in another state. I managed to get my hands on a heavily redacted. Police report anything. This old has been archived and is available on special website that investigators and people like myself have access to anyway. The report related how the victim and three other children were in a field performing jumps and bike tricks on their stingray bicycle. So this was in the tunnel oatman Arizona. The report described that the children had built a ramp and Eastwood. Perform a jump. Overstock tires twelve tourists. Visiting the nearby town of Open Arizona. Twenty two residents including the children's parents were attended seated on the homemade set of bleachers. The victim was a last minute. Jump is by crash on the other side of the tires but he had vanished before I go any further. You need to know that police. Fbi reports made available to the public. Investigators like myself are cryptic to say the least heavily abbreviated redacted especially when a child is involved often. There are more black lines. And they're complete sentences. I contacted as many residents of what is virtually the ghost town of oatman Arizona as I could. And as of this podcast talking to you now open is pretty much a tourist trap or tourist attraction of the twelve phone calls and several emails. I had one hit after fifteen minutes. A small top. Mrs Jones said she remembered the incident written up and said the boy's name was billy something she didn't remember the last name. I promise not to use her name. That's why it's Mrs Jones. She also confided that I should talk to William Howard who she thought saw. The boy vanished was one of the witnesses another couple of phone calls. I located Mr Howard in an assisted living Sattar outside Apache junction. Arizona was ninety four years old but very alert and after much pro. Bain was able to remember. Billy's last name falstaff. He said like the beer after contacting the county sheriff's Department and Officer the FBI located in Phoenix and coming up empty. My next move was to contact the folks that oversee the tours of the Shiloh state military park at Tennessee. Where billy was found again? Nothing with no other ideas. I reluctantly decided tobacco the story for days. After making that decision I received an email from Escondido. California wanted to know how investigation into Billy falstaff was GOI. The email came from a woman whose father had passed away recently to events prompted her to contact me. I at the funeral were several reenactor. So the battle of Shiloh. Who were on the tour when billy was spotted and they had heard about my inquiries and related them to her second while going through her father's notes files and journals in the garage. She discovered that he was the doctor. That treated billy. I assume that the boy might have been treated for shock said rather than emailed us much. Her response knocked me out of my chair. Her father had removed a civil war. Era many ball for the boys of Thi- I e mail back asking if she meant bullet corresponds was an emphatic. No it was a mini ball and she had founded wrapped in wax. Paper stapled to the top of journal explaining the injury. I asked her if she could take a picture of the Journal. And the mini ball and send it to me as an attachment and she did. This was just getting better and better. I punched billy's age in my calculator added the elapsed thirty seven years from nineteen eighty to two thousand nineteen when I originally did this story by the way it was twenty nineteen to come up with his current age of forty eight but stopped short of putting the calculator away. He vanished April six. Eight nineteen eighty two exactly to the day a hundred and twenty years since the battle of Shiloh April. Six eighteen sixty two. I had to find. Billy assuming he'd been taken back. Arizona. I ran a check on the name full staff. I only found one in the region and the individual had no connection with billy falstaff through contact with law enforcement and see icy see is checked. One William falstaff was in Marian penitentiary a medium security federal prison in Illinois. My problem or prisons are notoriously tight lipped. When it comes to giving out information about prisoners I submitted a form requesting physical characteristics scars and received a brief description that could have been anyone but was rewarded when the description included scar on the right upper five fading and thought to have been caused by something when he was quite young. This was my boy but I figured I'd taken the story of force. I could my last effort at communicating with him was a letter addressed to William falstaff of Marianne Federal Prison. Forty five hundred person road. I received a response twelve hours later but not from Roya. A man of few words emailed me asking what my interest in William falstaff was through several emails. I Determined I was communicating with an agent of the FBI. William had escaped just days after my form was received requesting physical description had an interesting story and a series of events linked together giving it credence but nothing really solid dealing with phone calls. Receiving emails does not truly make story. But I just couldn't let it drop. I assume that Billy's parents were deceased or at least out of the picture but someone must have known him between the time he was discovered. Tennessee in his incarceration in federal prison. I started this new search with child protective services. I ONA than in Tennessee. All people that might have been involved were retired and some deceased and all records had been archived and for the most part sealed dead and I reexamined my progress since first scanning the FBI reports realize that. I'd been conducting. What amounted to missing person? Case Surprise I put knowledge that a doctor had removed a civil war era. Many ball for billy side out of my mind. It just seemed to weird. That's all still decided to take a look at children involved in the civil war. It was a simple search to determine that preteens as young as ten were often horse and wagon tenders during the civil war and never really fought in any battles. I contacted the Museum Child Military Park for any information on children involved in the battle next. I placed ads in several newspapers. Symbol Tennessee and Arizona. Asking for information on William or Billy falstaff. I actually received a call. Few days later from Virginia falstaff Smith Billy Sister Jackpot. My first question was the most difficult. Did she know that billy had escaped from prison? She laughed and said he hadn't escaped. They'd lost him that they were transferring him from Marian a medium security prison to a minimum security and when the bus arrived on board after a few awkward moments. I continue by question. This was not a happy person and after a few questions she let me know in no uncertain terms that it was going to cost me to continue. I let her go and thirty seven years. He must have had a girlfriend. I felt I could put together. Billy's character I might be able to track him by employment. The problem was what I didn't Arizona. I had to do in Tennessee. Every knock at my door pulled me away from my computer my chuck the time. It was six o'clock. I opened the door and stood facing a young man of about thirty. That could have been a salesman toy opened his mouth. I talked to Virginia. You said you might be willing to pay for information on her brother. He said I didn't make the connection for a minute. I stood just staring at him. Oh yes I said. Billy yeah what do you want no? I can't pay anything. I told him flat out. He made a face and told me not to worry about it. I asked him how he knew. Billy he said and this is a quote. I knew who he was and he sat on the bus in front of me. You were be transferred to a minimum security prison. I ask that's right. He said he was real easy. Going didn't talk much. I ask if he ever mentioned it. Eventless childhood and the Guy said if you're asking about how he got shot in the leg now okay. That was the story of where to bill ago. And then I continued later with the strange case. Falstaff that's what I'm into right now. I found the story interesting but it was thirty seven year. Old Case of child abduction. At least ask the FBI called it. I let it drop but four days. After making the decision I was contacted by a woman whose father had treated billy and had pulled a civil war era many ball from his upper thigh. Aside from being totally blown away by that fact I jumped back on research. Wack I had to find billy I managed to trace it to a medium Security Prison Illinois shortly after I located as residents. He was in the process of being transported to a minimum security prison loaded on a special transport plus with thirteen other prisoners but when the bus arrived at his destination was not on board. That brings you up to date with this particular story. The strange case billy falstaff. I'd communicated with billy sister who wants to be paid for information on him. She did provide a picture of him just before he was arrested and car serrated once again I hit it get in. That is until I was visited at my office in Ashland Oregon by Tony Gale. He'd Billy soulmate. Y'All have been on the bus with billy. He'd gotten my name from billy sister with whom he had been in touch. The only thing I got out of Mr Gail was that billy always said he was a child of the civil war and that when they were lined up ready to be checked onto the bus. Billy told him that he'd never make it after number phone calls. I determined that. Billy was definitely checked onto the bus at the bus made no stops and was manned by experienced driver and two guards and was followed by an escort vehicle great. I was back to the question. Where Billy go before we let the story go. I decided to email the picture of billy as a young man to the daughter of the doctor who extracted the mini ball from Billy Sti- again. I was ready to bag the story. Then I received a phone call from Escondido California. It was the daughter of that Dr at had treated billy and she'd bound him. She said you re guy thought in the Shiloh bookstore across from Shiloh. National Cemetery on the back wall were a dozen photos of union soldiers in various dressing colluding drummer. She took a picture with her iphone. Emailed it to me as an attachment. There was no mistaking that the drummer was billy. But the shocker was the name below the photo at Red Union Drummer Billy. Falstaff killed at the battle Pittsburg landing and that was another name for Shiloh Bath. April seventh eighteen sixty two but she went one step further and visited the Shiloh national cemetery and found a headstone dully flagstaff. Born eighteen. Fourteen died eighteen. Sixty two that would make him. Forty eight years old. Same Age as the billy falstaff that vanish from the prison. Bus will of the two hundred plus podcast stories. I've aired. I ended up doing more research on this than any other story. That's why I'm repeating this to you. I know I have many skeptics of the story. So I'll put down some facts open Arizona. Where eleven year old. Billy vanished in front of twenty two adult witnesses in nineteen eighty two is now virtual ghost town the population of one hundred twenty eight. Although at this reading that was that was the middle of last year. So as I read this to you now it still has a small population but is a tourist attraction the only witness William Howard to the vanishing that I could locate was ninety four at the time I talked with him and he says since passed away. The billy vanished from the prison. Bus could be explained away. I guess but what can't be explained is his picture in the bookstore and the headstone with his name in the Shiloh national cemetery. Of course there's also civil war era many ball there was taken from the upper five and eleven year old boy found wandering cemetery fifteen hundred miles from where the FBI said he was abducted. And that was strange. Case of Billy falstaff and that was also a combined story did awarded Billy Go. These stories are produced here at night. Owl Sounds Studio and brought to you by the Rogue Valley but Physical Library and by stories of this story in adventure in life on the edge located at Kit Chrome Dot Com and by internationally recognized psychic Sharon Bauer. I also want to say Very excited about the new podcast in the evening chasing the dark stories of the paranormal these are stories presented in the same fashion same serial fashion as old time radio mysteries thirty minutes segments. These are original stories. Hope you're enjoying those. I'm kid chrome. Thanks for listening.

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Where did Billy go?

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

07:28 min | 10 months ago

Where did Billy go?

"Run across but I I WANNA go through some of the steps I take validate these stories since I began the podcast true mysteries of the Pacific. Welcome to kiss myths and mysteries I've your host kicked chrome today I'm going to relate one of the strangest stories I've ever of course this Wednesday par to where did billy go I get chrome thanks for listening opt to say the least heavily abbreviated redacted especially when a child isn't wall often there are more blackened line so there are complete sentences war battlefield fifteen hundred miles distant in southwestern Tennessee the site was the Shiloh national military park event. Today's podcast where did billy go is by far the most bizarre story I've ever run across because it's so unbelievable just outside Tucson Arizona while performing in front of twenty two adult witnesses he was discovered seventy two hours later wandering across a civil napping there were no ransom calls the f. b. i. were brought in when the child was discovered in another state I managed to get my hands on a heavily redacted police thirty seven year old FBI files. I had looked at in a long time hoping to find something intriguing when I noticed are the child abductions section operating testimonial during the research process I've been told to cease and desist by law enforcement I've been hung up on I've received emails telling me hit after fifteen minutes of Small Talk Mrs Jones said she remembered the incident written up and said the boy's name was billy something I promise not to I contacted as many residents of what is virtually the ghost town of Oatman Arizona I could of twelve phone calls and several emails I had one a username that's why the Mrs Jones she also confided that I should talk to William Howard who she thought saw the boy vanish another couple support anything this whole has been archived and is available on special website that I have access to anyway the report related how the describe the children had built a ramp and eastwood perform a jump over stack of tires twelve tourists visiting the nearby town of Oatman Arizona and back off for the most part reasons about the individual or family member doesn't want to rehash details of what to them was a disturbing three days later what caught my eye aside from the distance where he managed to where he was located is that this was wasn't marked as a kid actually experienced an unbelievable event in the rare event that I consult the Internet I will locate three sources who do not know each other but how bound again nothing with no other ideas I reluctantly decided to bag the story but four days after making that decision I received tires but he had vanished before I go any further you need to know police. FBI reports made available to the public and investigators like myself are all I decided to relate the steps I've taken in an effort to make sense of all this this story of an eleven year old boy who vanished from just victim and three other children were in a field performing jumps and bike tricks on their stingray bicycles members of nineteen hundred the report ace involving a young boy he'd been abducted in Nineteen eighty-two from his Arizona resident and located in southwestern Tennessee wandering in the state parks robing was able to remember Billy's last name falstaff he said like the beer after contacting the county sheriff department and the F. B. I. Office located in Phoenix Arizona and coming up empty my next move was to contact the folks that oversee the tours of the Shiloh state military park in Tennessee where billy was phone calls I located Mister Howard in an assisted living center outside Apache Junction in Arizona Ninety four years old but very alert after much doc he was discovered by a tourist taking a tour who identified a distant figures lucky knock child more about this a little later it all started when I was scouring some I validated each story with research involved police or F. B. I. reports correspondence with firsthand witnesses and occasionally I've talked with individuals ahead just passed away weeks before to events prompted her to contact me I at the funeral were several reenactor so the email from escondido California wanting to know how my investigation into billy flagstaff was going the email came from a woman whose father who had been docked the two residents including the children's parents were in attendance seated in a homemade bleachers the victim was the last to make the jump his bike crashed on the other side of the well of Shiloh who were on the tour went billy was spotted and they had heard about my inquiries and related them to her second while going through her father snow's files in journals she discovered that he was the doctor that treated billy at this I assume that the boy might have been treated for shop and said as much rather email as much her response doc be out of my chair her father had removed a civil war many ball from the boys upper thigh me email back asking if she meant bullet her response was emphatic no it was a mini ball and she had found it wrapped in wax paper staple up to the top of the journal explaining injury I asked her if she could take a picture of the Journal on the Menu Ball send them to be as an attachment waiting for this this was just getting better and better I punched billy's age into my calculator eleven and added to thirty seven years from Nineteen ninety-two his abduction to twenty nineteen to come up with his current age of forty eight but stopped short of putting the calculator away he had vanished April six nine thousand nine hundred eighty two exactly to the day one hundred twenty years since the battle of Shiloh I had to find billy go the most bizarre story I've ever run across was brought to you by the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library and Al Creek Cabin at Al Creek ride for this podcast so part two will be Wednesday and let me say that I did locate billy and several interesting people who knew him where did billy well this is the end of part one this isn't where my investigation stopped and this is where I found billy but this is a

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The Vanishingn Case of Billy Falstaff

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

11:16 min | 6 months ago

The Vanishingn Case of Billy Falstaff

"Welcome to catch myths and mysteries. I'm your host kid chrome four months ago. I did a story called where to billy go. Usually my stories stories have a beginning middle and an end and kind and his kind of a conclusion in this particular case here just four months later and I've received an interesting email that I will reveal on Friday. Today is Wednesday the twenty second and I want to re tell the story and some of my methods for for collecting information and doing research and on Friday. I will reveal a very interesting response to this story that I think will surprise you because certainly certainly surprised me since I first began this podcast. True mysteries at the Pacific northwest. I've renamed it kiss miss and mysteries because I ran out of strange H.. Mysteries in the Pacific northwest did about one hundred fifty. I've done over two hundred stories. At this point they've ranged from vampires sitting in Oregon to you flying saucers in the school yard in Australia. I've validated each story with research that involve police or F. B. I.. Reports correspondence with firsthand. Witnesses this is an occasionally. I talked or emailed with individuals that experienced an unbelievable that in the rare event that I consult the Internet Internet. I will locate three sources. Do not know each other but have corroborating testimonial during the research process I've been told to cease and desist by law enforcement mm-hmm and attorneys. I've been hung up on. I've received emails telling me to back off for the most part. The reasons have been at the individual or family member. Doesn't I don't want to rehash details. What to them was a disturbing event? So today's podcast. As I mentioned talk of this podcast is why did four months is ago and have just our received an interesting response which I will reveal Friday the twenty fourth. But today's story where billy go is by far the most bizarre story I have run across because it is so unbelievable. I decide to relate some of the steps I've taken in an effort to make sense of it. All this is a story. We have an eleven year. Old Boy who vanished from just outside Tucson Arizona while performing in front of twenty two adult witnesses he is discovered seventy two two hours later wandering across a civil war battlefield. Fifteen hundred miles distance in southwestern Tennessee. The site was the Shiloh national forest I and military park. He was discovered by tourist taking a tour who identify a district vigorous looking like a child more on this in a minute. It all started when I was scouring some thirty-seven-year-old F. B. I. Files. I haven't blocked that in a long time hoping to find something intriguing. When I noticed under the child abductions section the case involving a young boy he'd been abducted in one thousand nine hundred eighty two from his Arizona residents and located in south western Tennessee wandering in a state park three days later? What caught my eye? Aside from the distance involved is that this wasn't marked as a kidnapping and there was no ransom call the FBI were brought in when the child was discovered in another state. I managed to get my hands on a heavily redacted. Police report anything anything. This old has been archived and available on a special website that I have access to anyway. The report related how the victim and three other children were in a field performing jumps. On on their stingray bicycles. The report described that the children had built a ramp and each would perform a jump over the stack of tires at the other end of the rap. Twelve tourists visiting the nearby town of Oatman Arizona. Twenty two residents including the children's parents parents were in attendance seated on homemade bleachers. The victim was the last to make. The jump is by crashed on the other side of the tires but he was nowhere near and could not be found. He had vanished before I go any further. You need to know that police. FBI reports reports made available to the public. Investigators like myself are cryptic to say the least heavily abbreviated and redacted or blacked out. Especially when a child is involved involved often there are more black and lines than there are complete sentences. I contacted as many residents of what virtually became a ghost town. The Volkmann as I could of twelve phone calls and several emails I had one hit after fifteen minutes of small talk. Mrs Jones said she remembered the incident. The incident written up and said the boy's name was billy something. I promise not to use her name. That's why the Mrs Jones she also confided that I should talk to to William Howard who she thought saw the boy vanish. Another couple of phone calls nine located Mister Howard in assisted living center outside of Apache Junction Arizona Persona. He was ninety four but very alert after much program was able to remember. Billy's last name as falstaff. He said like the beer after contacting attacking the county sheriff's Department the Office of the FBI located in Phoenix and coming up empty. My next move was to contact the folks that oversee the tours of the Shiloh state military park Tennessee were billy was found again. Nothing with no other ideas. I reluctantly decided to bag the story but four days days after making that decision I received an email from escondido California wanting to know how my investigation into billy falstaff was going. The email all came from a woman whose father had passed away. Two events prompted her to contact me I at the funeral. Several re-enactors of the battle of Shiloh. Who who were on the tour with billy was spotted and they had heard about my inquiries related them to her second while going through her father snows vials journal well? She discovered that he was the doctor. That treated billy at this. I assume that the boy might have been treated for shock and said rather emailed us much. Her response knocked me out of my chair. Her father had removed a civil war. Era Mini ball from the boys upper thigh. I E mail back asking if she meant bullet. Her response was an emphatic. No it was a mini ball and she found it wrapped in wax. Paper stapled to the top of a journal explaining the injury. I asked her if she could take a picture of the Journal. And the mini ball and send it as an attachment. This is just getting better and better. I punched billy's age agent. My calculator added the elapsed thirty seven years from nineteen eighty two to twenty nineteen to come up with his current age forty eight but stopped short putting the calculator he later away. He vanished April six. Nine thousand nine hundred eighty two exactly to the day one hundred twenty years since the battle of Shiloh. I had to find right billy. Assuming he'd been taken back to Arizona. I ran a check on the name. FALSTAFF I only found one in the region. The individual had no connection through contact contact with law enforcement and CIC check one. Billy falstaff was in Marian penitentiary a medium security federal prison in Illinois. My problem prisons are are notoriously tight lipped. When it comes to giving out information about prisoners I submitted a form question physical characteristics sir scars? Who received a brief description? That could have been anyone but was rewarded. When the description included a scar on them right upper thigh fading and unsought to have been caused by something when he was quite young? This was my boy but I figured I'd taken the story as far as I could. My last effort at communicating with him was a letter addressed to William falstaff care of Marian. Federal Prison Forty five hundred person road. I received response twelve hours later. But not from William a a man of few words emailed me asking what my interest in William falstaff was several emails determined. I was communicating with an FBI. Agent William had escaped just days after my form was received a question of physical description. I had an interesting story in a series of events at linked together her giving credence but nothing really solid dealing with phone calls. Receiving emails does not truly make a story. But I just couldn't let it drop. I assume that Billy's parents were deceased or at least out of the picture but someone must have known him between the time. He was discovered in Tennessee. And his incarceration in in federal prison. I started this new search with child protective services. I narrowed Zona than in Tennessee. People that might have been involved. Were retired KNOL. Paul records had been archived for the most part sealed. Get at IRA reexamined my progress since first scanning the F. B. I. Reports realized just that I'd been conducting what amounted to a missing person case. Surprise that I put knowledge that a doctor had removed a civil war era. Many Lieberthal from Billy's THI- out of my mind. It just seemed to weird still decided to take a look at children involved in the civil war it was a simple search to determine airman the preteens as young as ten were often horse and wagon. Tenders never really fought in any battles. I contacted the museum at Shiloh military part for any information on children involved in the battle next. I placed ads in several newspapers Tennessee Arizona asking for information on William or Billy falstaff. I actually received a call a few days later from Virginia falstaff Smith Billy Sister Jackpot. My first question was the most. It's difficult did she know that billy had escaped from prison. She laughed and said he hadn't escaped. They'd lost him that they have been transferring him from Marianne a medium medium security prison to a minimum security and when the bus arrived wasn't on board after few awkward moments. I continue by question. This was not oughta happy person and after a few questions she let me know in no uncertain terms that it was going to cost me to continue. I let her go and thirty seven years. He must've two how to girlfriend. I felt if I could put together. Billy's character I might be able to track and by employment. The problem was what I did in Arizona. I had to do in Tennessee heavy. Knock my door pulled me away from my computer. I checked the time was almost six. I opened the door and stood facing a young man man of about thirty. That could have been salesman until he opened his mouth. Well that's where this part of. Where did billy go? And I know it's Cliche to say but but the very exciting end where billy go will air Friday the twenty second kits myths and mysteries where billy go was produced here night. Owl Sound Studio Studio and brought to you by the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library and I'll creek cabin and writers getaway at Al Creek Cabin Dot Com. Check it out. I'm Kit CRUMB. Thanks for listening. Talk to you Friday.

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Episode 67: The Immortals: Teddy Roosevelt

Newt's World

39:08 min | 4 months ago

Episode 67: The Immortals: Teddy Roosevelt

"Social distancing slows the spread of corona virus, so we should all stay home to lower the risk for everyone more INFO at Corona Virus Dot Gov. Let's all do our part because we're all Hashtag alone together brought to you by the Ad Council. Did. You know that the first computer bug was an actual. That x rays were used as entertainment at kids. Birthday parties I'm Merrin I'm greg for our new podcast. Surprisingly brilliant, we've been collecting some of the most shocking, inspiring and downright bizarre stories from science history from space mysteries to stone dinosaurs. You'll find in surprisingly Furlan from seeker, so come listen to surprisingly brilliant on the iheartradio. APP APPLE PODCASTS, or wherever get your podcasts. This episode, Newsworld. Theodore Roosevelt Junior was born in new. York City on October twenty seventh, eighteen, fifty eight. Was Born into a Well-to-do family. He was home schooled and went to Harvard College. He dropped out of Columbia. Law School dinner local New York politics. September nineteen one at the age of forty two, he became the twenty six president of the United States after President William McKinley was assassinated. Roosevelt was a leader of the progressive movement. and. He championed his square deal. Domestic policies promising the average citizen fairness breaking of trusts regulation of railroads and pure food and drugs. After leaving office Roosevelt traveled the world including trips to Africa and South America. He was a lifelong conservationist. He passed away in his sleep at his home. Sagamore Hill in cove neck new. York on January Fifth Nineteen, nineteen at the age of sixty. I want to share with you the. HUMAN WHIRLWIND! That was Theodore Roosevelt. Roosevelt was amazing both as an individual. And, because in some ways he personified. The America that was emerging. At the beginning of the twentieth century. I find him to be one of the most extraordinary American presidents. Just because of the sheer range. That he was capable of doing. Is obviously extraordinarily bright. And wrote a very early age. A guide to birds in New York state. He wrote a history of the Naval War of eighteen twelve, which is still considered. A remarkable book. And that by the way was done at a very early age I think in his early twenties. So here! You've got this guy who. Is Born, relatively weak, had asthma, and really went to work building up. His physical strength became ultimately, a cowboy was driven to be successful to be unique, and while he was doing all of that. He got involved in politics, but it's fascinating because he didn't fit any pattern. That you could have imagined. On the one hand he was a Roosevelt and therefore in effect part of the aristocracy of that time, the kind of person that went to Harvard, the kind of person who had lots of Nice outfits and went to Nice events on the other hand, he was a politician, and he was determined to rise in politics is a great line where one of his friend says to him. How can you go out to these German and Irish bars and be hanging out with those normal working people and Roosevelt's response was simply said luck power in this city. is in those bars. I want to be part of how decisions are made now. You don't need to go to those bars, but then you're always going to be on the outside. And always gonNA come to somebody who's in the Bardi at the decision. And I want to be in that room. I WANNA do that. And Rosanna went out at a very early age and began developing a whole series of activities. He was always a reformer. I think it was partly because he's had this edge to him. On the one hand is sort of a puritan in his toughness in his desire to fix things and improve things on the other hand. He loved life so much that he just kind of bubbled over, and you have to think of him almost has a pot on the stove. Where every day things are coming out of the pot, and you have no idea what's going to happen next, so for example. At one point he becomes the police commissioner of New York City. And he decides he'll actually enforce the law. And the law said the you couldn't have bars and saloons open on Sunday, so he closed them. Well, people were enraged because he was violating the way in which they had historically operated, and he said well. If you want them open, change the law, but as long as I'm the police commissioner. We're closing. At which point of course they fired him because they didn't want to get involved in this, and he had a certain lack of common sense in that sense that he was so driven that again and again he would do things with your tape people. He was very active in the Republican Party and in fact in the election of eighteen, ninety six. It is Roosevelt and the mayor of Syracuse who come up with the best argument against. William Jennings Bryan and argument, which is then picked up by William, McKinley and McKinley promptly won the election's over. One gives Rozo appointments. The number two person in the Navy Department and one weekend, the secretary of the Navy happens to be gone and Roosevelt on his own hook sends out a note saying that he wants the American fleet undo each of that point was sitting in Hong, Kong and he wants them to go to Manila now. He had no authority to do that. He, did it. and Luckily for us when the Spanish American war broke out, the American fleet was ready to defeat the Spanish and the battle of Manila Bay on Roosevelt was even though he had totally exceeded his authority. Before that. His wife who he adored had died. He was very depressed and he went out to the dakotas border ranch became genuine. Rancher remembers the guy who starts in life. Sort of weak physically builds himself up becomes a boxer becomes. A writer ends up now leaving behind all of his social friends, all of the Harvard connections in his out there ranching and having a great time, and recovering from the death of his wife, and a one point actually helps arrest several rustler's. He's genuinely a man of the West. And, that becomes an advantage to him. When the war breaks out was Spain because he organizes well recalled Colonel Roosevelt's rough riders regiment that he pulled together a volunteers. Teddy's bringing friends of his from the DAKOTAS who are showing up native Americans, cowboys and the new. York Polo Club is sending people because after all. It's Theodore Roosevelt so. He is blending together. These very elegant Ivy, League Polo players, and these very inelegant cowboys and native Americans. Americans into the rough riders, and they actually end up getting along very well and end up charging up San Juan. Hill although technically wasn't San. Juan Hill, but is Kennel Hill towards the San Juan. Heights but everybody at the time said Oh San Juan Hill. Is Somebody once said gift to choose between fact and legend print the Legend so Roosevelt comes home having led this her roic charge up the hill, and he's a genuine war hero. Next the anti-corruption candidate, Roselle becomes governor of New York then vice president of the United States. And the this episode I'll give you an audio sneak peek of chapter one of my new novel shake. 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Churchill and his life as a continuing series of enormously energetic gambles. So he runs for the governor of New York and he runs with the train, which is celebrating the charge of San Juan. Hill he has rough riders with him. They have people who can play the bugle. They basically are whipping up the patriotism. The if you're a Patriot your Theodore Roosevelt, and if you just were one of those people who wanted to haul back to with corruption, then you going to vote for the so he wins, and he is now the governor of the largest state in the country. And that leads to a very different situation because it turns out that Roosevelt really is as he has always been a reformer. And so he uses the governorship to start reforming New York state government. Well, the machine is horrified. I mean they elected him to keep power so that they could use the power for their own enrichment and here he is taking apart their system. So. They WANNA. Get rid of him. They're desperate. To get him out of the state and along comes opportunity for Roosevelt. To become the vice presidential nominee, and there's a great story that mckinlay's great adviser. One of the greatest managers in American political history was not in town. The day. This decision was made and he. He said when he was told about it. Do you realize? There's only one heartbeat between the damned capital on the White House. And in fact, McKinley was shot and died. And here you are in nineteen o one with Theodore Roosevelt hasn't now. You could not possibly an early eighteen ninety seven before the Spanish American war. You couldn't possibly have figured out how four short years later Theodore. Roosevelt would end up being president, but he was president, and when he became president, he was the most sophisticated populist to occupy the White House in modern times. For example, he understood that Associated Press, which at that time was the dominant method of communicating for the news media in the country the associated. Press every Sunday night at a huge hole on what it was covering. There's nothing going on. And yet they had to fill up for the Monday morning papers. So every Sunday afternoon Roosevelt would issue a statement. which we get picked up and giving huge coverage because it met this Associated Press's need to have something. And so Roseau began to become much better known than any president. Since Abraham Lincoln he was also just an amazingly personable guy. One point he's boxing in the White House and. The Retina of one of his is is detached. And he can't see and he doesn't want his wife to learn that he had just lost sight on one of his ice, so he kept boxing, trying to avoid the I hitting him on that side of his head, and he would do stuff like this all the time. He was an archer. He was one hunter. One of the things that made you amazingly popular was in one, thousand, nine, hundred two. He went on hunting trip out west, and there was a bear cub that somebody had tied to a tree, so roosevelt shoot irresolute to. Kill Bear cover you crazy. Well. A Brooklyn toymaker decided that he would create a stuffed bear. which at the time was called Teddy's bear? And then became of course I teddy bear. And it became wildly popular, and so here you have a president who is continuing. To be sort of slightly a wild man, but is a wild man with a big smile, and people love him is so much energy bouncing all over the place, so lots of people get to see him and five his daughter Alice Marriage Nicholas Longworth the congressman from Ohio and was the biggest social event of the decade, so many want set of Roosevelt to truly understand teddy you have to recognize. He wants to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral. Really was how Roosevelt operated. It was his whole excitement about life. He wrote constantly published many books, and he had a pretty serious sense of what he believed in what he was trying to do. And, he was faced with a huge crisis and nineteen o two, because it was a big coal strike. And it became obvious during the coal strike. That the mine owners thought. That they they were more powerful than the United States government. And Roosevelt brought them into the White House and he said look. Here's the situation. I am the president of the United States. I am prepared to send the US army in to take over your minds. So unless you WANNA? Lose control of your mind. Potentially permanently, you're gonNA sit down and work out a deal with the strikers. And I just want all of your. Remember I'm the president and you're not. And it was the first really big imposition of executive power on large businesses in America, and it stunned them. They began also to create a gap between the Reform Republicans and the old guard, and the old guard was in favor of the big businesses, and the reformers were in favor of public interest at large, and were willing to take on the big businesses in Roseau clearly was in the group that was in favor of taking on a big business. It wasn't that he was for small. Small things it's important to remember that the been several efforts to build a canal across the isthmus, both in Nicaragua, and in Panama, and actually one of the more fun things was as they were trying to decide whether to go to Nicaragua to Panama one of the people who favored panel convinced the Post Office to issue a series of stamps, showing volcanoes, going off in Nicaragua and the house, one, the more subtle examples of lobbying because people began to figure out well. Gosh, if they have all those volcanoes. Maybe that's not the right place to put the canal. However Panama was owned by Columbia. Columbia had a contract with the French who had failed. There are a number of technical problems. Digging the canal, and in addition, yellow fever killed the workers and enlarging rate and in nineteen ninety-three. Probably with the encouragement of the United. States, there was a rebellion and Panama and the United States happen to have a warship nearby, which happen to block the Colombian, Navy from going back to impose order, and therefore it was fair to say that Roosevelt invented panel in order to build the canal. He then undertook a project which would take until nineteen fourteen to complete, and if you've ever been to the Panama Canal, you realize what huge engineering achievement this was was also a huge public health achievement because. Because in fact, Walter Reed was the medical doctor for the US Army, and he discovered how to stop yellow fever, and the result was an enormous improvement in health, so Roosevelt undertakes what is an enormous project and changes history during the Panama Canal has been a major part of world. Congress has been a major part of American national security because it allows us to move ships back and forth between the Atlantic and Pacific dramatically faster than if you have to go all the way around South America. The Russians and the Japanese of fighting a very very tough war. The Russians had been losing, but the Japanese were running out of money, and so they were pretty desperate to find a solution. An Roosevelt invited them both to come to New Hampshire to Portsmouth with had a peace conference in Nineteen Zero four and Roosevelt got them to sign an agreement ending the war and nineteen o six. He got the Nobel Peace Prize. Here is A. Many ways a militaristic personality, a guy who cheerfully went off to war and Cuba guy who cheerfully sent the Navy off to war in Manila and yet he is a very very good diplomat very successful, and as you can imagine somewhere between the Panama Canal Teddy's bear and everything else he was doing. He was wildly popular, and in nineteen, hundred four, and the only time he really. Run up to that point national because he was the vice presidential nominee under McKinley nineteen hundred, but he beat the. Contender, Alton, Parker, three, hundred and thirty, six to one hundred and forty electoral votes, and the margin was just enormous. I would say Roosevelt may have at his peak been the most popular American presidents since George Washington. That people just really liked him. They thought he personified American. Nationalism that his energy has drive. He was also daring, nineteen, thousand nine. He becomes the first president to ride in a car, which at that period was a fairly daring thing to do? I've always liked the story that in one thousand, nine, hundred six. Roosevelt was eating breakfast while he was reading upton. Sinclair's the jungle. which has a scene in which a worker falls into a VAT and becomes sausage? And Roosevelt was halfway through his breakfast sausage as he read this scene, and he promptly sent up a note. create the Food and Drug Administration now I. Don't know that that's totally true, but it's always struck me such a wonderfully apocryphal story that it should be true. Roosevelt was an activist in foreign policy in one, thousand, nine, hundred five. He forced the Dominican Republic to install an American nommik advisor. WHO's really appropriate purposes? The country's financial director running as As an economic protectorate and nineteen O six, he set up a military protectorate in Cuba. He put pressure on Canada boundary dispute over Alaska so again he's constantly doing things because he loved the outdoors, and because he was part of the progressive reforming the Republican Party. He urged Congress to create the Forest Service so that the government would manage their forest reserves in a professional way. He developed almost five times as much land as all of his predecessors combined. In fact. Roosevelt set aside one hundred ninety four million acres by nineteen O seven. He has a real diplomatic quarrel, because the Japanese government is very angry about anti-japanese sentiment California and he works out what was called the gentlemen's agreement in which an effect we would not pass laws against the Japanese, but the Japanese government would restrict Japanese immigration. A So a sort of a face-saving win win. Nineteen hundred eight, his handpicked successor succeeded him, and this was one of the. Sad moments if you will American politics. William Howard Taft was a remarkable man. Physically enormous and had been a very successful governor of the Philippines came from a very successful. Cincinnati legal family would ultimately later in his life became the chief justice of the Supreme Court. Taft was a very smart very sincere Guy Roosevelt thought. He would act as Roosevelt's disciple. And after taft one in one, thousand, nine, hundred eight Roosevelt left the country in order to give half the time to be on his own to get things done without Roosevelt looking over his shoulder. The thing that's fascinating is F- Rosewood, tours Europe where they're all thrilled to see him, and he's received us a gigantic celebrity. He goes to Africa where he shoots. Everything in Canon sends it back to the American Museum of Natural History of the Smithsonian then he comes home and he realizes. The taff has in fact. Fundamentally undermine what Roosevelt was doing. And Its effect that. Roosevelt really thought the taft would be his disciple. Taft really came to the conclusion that Rosa was wrong. And the taft actually was part of the traditional wing of the party. That did not favor reform, and so taft was in many ways siding with the old guard against Rosental so Roosevelt decides that there's an obligation to run for president. And take on taft. Next on the campaign trail. Roosevelt survived assassination attempt. Stay to at the end of this episode of give you an audio sneak peak of my new novel shakedown. Neighboring Garrett characters you met in my national bestseller. Collusion are caught in the middle of a deadly crisis with an impending nuclear bomb attack and little help from the government and sideline them both. Will they protect the United States from unexpected attack from the Russians, and we will survive. Down Order now at Gingrich sixty dot com slash shake go. Hi I'm Laura. 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Listen the new corner office every weekday on the iheartradio, APP, apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the very beginning of the period when they were primary. Most states still pick their delegates in closed systems where the power. The boss is really had control. Where there were primaries Roosevelt won decisively with people could directly express themselves their votes, Roosevelt one, but there weren't enough primaries. And so where there weren't primaries, William Howard Taft one well Rosa wasn't about to allow the party bosses to cheat him of the nomination. So! Roosevelt decides that he has no choice except to run as a third party candidate, any becomes the most important third party candidate in American history, and in fact gets more votes than Howard Taft. In the middle of that is a perfectly Roosevelt and moment he's out. Campaigning is the third party. It was called the Bull Moose Party. And sort of an honor of Roosevelt himself and on October, Fourteenth Nineteen twelve. As Campaign Milwaukee. He's giving his speech. And he shot now. The fact is the bullet went through his overcoat, a fifty page manuscript, a steel eyeglass case, and then lodged in his chest. He coughed into his hand. There was no blood, so he concluded that the bullet did not enter his lung. So, he ignored the effort to get him to go to a doctor and finished. His speech won't imagine the electrifying effect. Of A guy who was that strong that courageous, his line was I. don't know whether you fully understand. That I have been shot, but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose. The doctors actually when they did finally look at him to side of a safer to leave the bullet in his chest, and it stayed there for the rest of his life. The person who shot him was John Fleming shrank. Shrank posed a sitting presence ability to seek a third term in office, and he had a bizarre dream where he was advised by the Ghost of William McKinley to avenge his death while pointing to a picture of theater. Actually entrench case. The doctors decided he was suffering from quote. Insane Delusions, grandiose and character declared him insane, and he was sent to a Mental Hospital Wisconsin. remained until his death after he loses the presidency in nineteen twelve splitting the Republican vote in such a way that Woodrow Wilson becomes the First Democratic president since eighteen ninety two. Roosevelt then goes off to Brazil goes up the Amazon catches several. Really bad diseases almost dies remarkable story of his entire trip on the Amazon, it's one of those places where he just pushed his luck, and he was getting older, he was sort of a worn down, and then he almost really did have a serious problem and took a long time to recover. When world, war one broke out. Roselle was very pro. English really wanted to help. The allies tried to convince Woodrow Wilson to let him serve. Wilson would not do that. His sons did serve in the military, and in fact Theodore Roosevelt Junior landed at Normandy, nineteen, forty, four, carrying a cane, wandering around as a brigadier-general helping people off the beach, so the Roosevelt family tradition continued. I think that to really understand Theodore Roosevelt's importance. You have to go almost to psychology and culture. He came for most Americans. To personify a sense of certainty. A sense of can do him. A sense of optimism. He was adamant that we all are Americans that he did not want. People who didn't want Greek Americans or Italian Americans or African Americans. He wanted everyone to be an American. He was enormously proud of the country. People I think identified within the identified with his energy. They identified with his good humor that identified with his sense of grandiose dreams. He thought big. He thought we were a big country and he wanted us to do big things he also wanted. Wanted people to live a big life, so he pushed people pretty hard to say. Get out there and get involved. One of his most stirring statements was about the man in the arena, the person who actually trying to get the job done and the nobody else outside the arena understands what it's like to be the man in the arena. I once had the remarkable experience allowing Richard Nixon. Read me that passage, and you could tell the after his resignation from office. Trying to rethink and sort of recenter his own life, the Nixon found Roosevelt comforting in the idea that he nixon had also been in the arena. And I think it was this sense for most Americans. That Roosevelt was in the arena every day of his life, and in a sense he woke up each morning and tried to figure out where the arena was, and he went there, and he carried people with him and I think that. Of all the president. You can make an argument. That, no one so captured our imagination. Between Lincoln and FDR as Theodore Roosevelt did and that he personified a kind of reform republicanism that was very much in favor of national parks of the scientific management of forests of concern for conserving animals. While he was one hundred, he was a hunter who wanted to make sure that the species flourished and that every generation had an opportunity to be out in. In the Wilderness he was also an American nationalist part of that probably came because he was a child of the civil war era, and had grown up surrounded by people who fought for the Union and took it very very seriously. Partly because you know, CNN has generation. We were now the biggest economy in the world. Roosevelt sponsored the development of the navy both. Both as assistant secretary of the Navy under McKinley, and then as president, he sent the great white. Fleet around the world. It only had enough money to get halfway around the world. We said well Congress has a choice. They can either pass the rest of the money and we'll bring them home, or they can let the fleet stay Japan knowing that of course. Course. Congress would collapse and pay for it. But those typical Rosa they send the modern battle fleet of the United States without congressional approval, using up all the money to get them halfway around the world, and then they're the congress to not finish up. And of course they caved into exactly what he wanted. Roosevelt I think would have been successful in any. Part of American history. Because he had the energy, he had the intelligence he had the drive. He wanted it that badly, and he was really good with people. So on the one hand you have this huge intellect on the other hand you have this frenzied physical behavior, and then you have this guy who's just as charming. And all of it comes together if you get a chance someday to go to his home in Long Island, it's absolutely worth the visit and you get a flavor of just the guy who jumped up in the morning, living life to the fullest ran all day, long collapsed at the end of the day, gotta now sleep to jump up the next morning and live life to the fullest and I think that's the kind of America. That Theodore Roosevelt hoped. We would become and why I think he really is in many ways and immortal. Time, when many Americans are. Divided on sure the nature of our country. Not Certain about the future. There are few presidents who can offer us more hope more insight. And a greater sense of what being an American potentially is all about and Theodore Roosevelt and that's why I think it's particularly useful. To look at Teddy's life think about what teddy did and ask ourselves. What is it? We can learn from him. The can make our future. No Children's future even better. 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He tightened his index finger on the handguns trigger anticipating the opening doors. Sucked in another calming breath. No one was inside. Talked his handgun between his belt and watermelon belly stepped inside. The building's lobby was empty. The Security Guard going home at ten PM. The CONDO board didn't believe a necessary to have him. Stay longer there. Roslyn Virginia neighborhood was relatively crime-free. The man walked to a wall of mailboxes directly across the elevator. Ran a finger along the tenants mailboxes stopping at the second box in the third column, his neighbors. He inserted the envelope into it from his jacket. He drew a second envelope which he dropped in the outgoing mail. Behind him. The sound of laughter. A couple, entering the building through its double glass doors. The man at the mailboxes noticed that the woman was younger, giggling, holding her male companions arm. Her loud chatter and wobbly walk suggested she was drunk. A Saturday night date perhaps a one night stand. The condo building was across the Potomac River from the nation's capital in inexpensive uber ride from Popular Georgetown pickup bars. The approaching couple appeared harmless stow. The man returned to the elevator and push the call button hoping to board and depart before they reached him. The COUPLE QUICKEN THEIR PACE! The, old man reached inside his Jack Resting his hand on his pistol. He noticed that she was wearing a gray wolf, stocking cap and scarf. He wore a Red Washington nationals baseball CAP, and the collar of his dark blue coat was turned up. Difficult to see faces. The elevator doors open. The woman's straightened lunge forward. Grab the old man's left arm. At the same moment, her male accomplice slip in front of him. A blade before the old man could draw handgun. Directly into his heart. One thrust one twist no time to cry out who would hear? The woman steadied him pushed the man's body forward. 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William Howard Taft's housekeeper kept track of his weight

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William Howard Taft's housekeeper kept track of his weight

"Memoirs in history was written not by president but by a meet her name was Elizabeth Jaffrey. Hey History lovers I'm Mike Rosen walled with retro pot the show about the past rediscovered one of the most entertaining White House from history visit Washington Post Dot com slash retro pod telegram how the Horse as a housekeeper in addition to cleaning up after president following a doctor prescribed workout in his bedroom with a personal trainer a collision of Routines Helen. Taft found rather funny in meet a lot of meat taft eight steak for breakfast he wanted a thick juicy twelve ounce steak nearly every morning how he survived on that caloric intake is one of history's great mysteries at the other end of the spectrum helpings of cream and sugar under Jaffrey's watch taft cut bigger and bigger in a diary entry from Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge in a book titled Secrets Of the White House. Jeffrey Chronicle their personal triumphs foibles also according to another book real life at the White House by Claire and John Wickham his breakfast consisted of four packs of wheat bring give Jeffrey great insight into presidential taste and appetite at one end of the spectrum president coolidge her last in domestic lives the media St- of her stories concerned her meatiest boss President Taft Amy he didn't like for reasons lost to history the president scarf down his stake breakfast every morning at precisely eight thirty. Am Jaffe wrote in her memoir. She said that taft naturally liked food in had few preferences except for eggs which for him Jaffrey bought butter by the TUB potatoes by the barrel fruit and green vegetables by the crate she wrote O- Jaffrey was also responsible for their food not just what they ate for themselves but what they serve to guess doing their grocery shop handle that in addition to the stake Jaffe reports the taft eight several pieces of toast and his vast quantity of coffee included large if you think half was just ahead of his time going low car before the Atkins Diet craze you will be disappointed to learn and so profoundly rotund that after telegraphing his secretary of war about a horseback ride the secretary replied referring to your deflated but only metaphorically a year later Jaffrey wrote this in her diary the President looks as if he actually ways taff told her that things earn a sad state of affairs when a man can't even call his gizzard his own he eighteen eleven the housekeeper notes taps wait three hundred thirty two pounds in route that he was going on a diet apparently at the advice of his doctor Aw coolidge was cheapskate who complained that the hams he was served were too large he can eat just one slice served six but somehow Jaffrey wrote he really didn't take off any great amount of weight while he was president four hundred pounds eventually. Taft ordered a reduction in stake sizes instead of twelve ounces taft who occupied the White House from nineteen o nine to nineteen thirteen he was Jaffrey's hungry boss shocking. I'm Mike Rosen thanks for listening for more forgotten stories from one thousand nine hundred nine to nineteen twenty six Jaffray was the chief housekeeper to four presidents.

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The Weirdest Thing I Learned This Week

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Serial Poopers, Elephants on LSD, Whiskey Business

"Popular Science we report and write dozens of signs heck stories every week. And while most of the stuff we stumble emily across mix it into our articles. We also find plenty of weird facts that we just keep around the office so we figured why not share those with you. Welcome to the weirdest thing I learned this week. From the editors of Popular Science. I'm Rachel I'm Karen and I'm Sarah Trudell sh so on the weirdest thing I learned this week we start by each offering up a little tea. He is about some kind of factor story that we found in the course of reading writing reporting putting together a print magazine. Because we still do that. In the Lord Twenty Twenty and decide ride which one we just absolutely have to hear more about I than on spoof all had time to spin yarns we reconvene and decide what the weirdest thing we learned this week actually actually was current. It's been awhile welcome to the show. Hello would you like to start with your teeth. Shore I going to talk about a very strange intestinal reaction action that some people have in bookstores was feels really right up my alley issues problems and books. I would like to talk about the elephant in the room and specifically how that elephant is on a lot of acid. Okay All righty all right Sarah. Your teeth please My fact is about what William Howard Taft President Supreme Court Chief Justice and man famous for getting stuck in a bathtub under my own heart has to do with rapid aged whiskey. Wow fascinating confusing facts. Yeah there's a lot to actually and where I needed to know about the reactions. Okay all right so the first thing I want to do is give credit to my friend. Gabe neighb- who several months ago brought this fact to my attention. Gabe is a a book editor. He has his own imprint and as such he spends a lot of time browsing bookstores stores. And we're just hanging out one day having a couple beers and he casually mentioned to me that his brother flat out refuses to go into bookstores with him because every time he goes in very very quickly upon entry he is overcome by the urge to poop. Wow and heared yeah and I completely did not believe leave this. I'm like okay. I wouldn't really want to go into the vortex of walking into a bookstore with a book editor. Either it sounds like a Great Lakes hoop sorry they gotta go. I'll be outside so naturally I decided to talk to the Internet about it and at least as far as the Internet is concerned. This actually actually is a thing. There's countless twitter posts. Read it threads way more information about people's shopping bathroom all through my Than you ever wanted to know except that if this has happened to you you were very much not alone it has a name. It is called the Morocco phenomenon. It it is so named after the first person that we know of two documented. The Japanese woman who wrote a letter to a magazine in nineteen eighty five she wrote. I'm not sure why. Why but about two or three years ago whenever I go into a Bookstore I get struck by an urge to move my bowels and this was just a letter to the editor they probably published it because they thought it was weird and Quirky and entertaining and then they got so much mail? I thought I was the only one all the bookstore. Extort poopers letters to the editor are the red of nineteen eighty five True and so they commissioned for their next issue a fourteen page investigation shen to try to understand what in the actual what's going on. I wish we got these ads right. It's amazing inconclusive. Just so we're working. We're cleaning pages inconclusive. That's a lot of pages devoted to nothing. Could it cut that down seriously and now and here. We are thirty five years later. Peter still not quite sure exactly. What's going on so it's a phenomenon it's just like it happens? Young people say yes but of course that doesn't mean that there's a shortage of explanations offerings hypotheses if you will naturally some people say it's an urban myth it's like a group group. Think thing where it's just sort of people talking themselves into stuff but there's also a whole bunch of physiological and psychological hypotheses about what's actually going so before we dive into all of the things we don't know just GonNa take a quick second to talk about what we actually do now. We we all are familiar with the concept of like. You haven't dropped a deuce when you're away from your home you're on vacation you come home. And you're immediately overcome with the urge to purge inch so to speak and we know that familiar places can trigger this and you know perhaps perhaps for some people bookstores are familiar. There's also reports of people having to go to the bathroom and CVS and target and video game stores and grocery stores will not have a bathroom for you. I was just GonNa say never been into a cvs where you could go to the bathroom. Yeah yeah so I have a story about this. Oh boy I was on a road trip and I really had to use the restroom and so I walked into a walgreens and I was like please please. Can I use your restroom. And they were like yeah I guess so and so this woman walked or she was like the back of the store and then she got on the radio and she said Code B be be so then they send somebody to log the bathroom for me. That was code be. So that's my story. They apparently bathrooms authors. If you ask them really nicely in desperately always wondered about that like if you walk in. We're like I'm about to poop my pants only restroom I think most people would would out of the kindness of their heart semi related. There are people called serial poopers who go into stores and then like poop among the racks ax. And nobody's quite sure. Why intentionally one time? I spent one semester at Boston University. Not a story be me. pooping in a store Rachel is the serial groper adjusts. Rachel's microphone. Yeah I was at Boston University for one semester before transferred back to Simon Soko Llamas and right. After I had decided that I wanted to go back to Simon's rock. I walked into this you the group bathroom standard dorm arm building stuff and open the bathroom stall and there was just a poop in the middle of it in the shower just gile. It was very read deliberate. And you know what it'd be really good about my decision because like think of the person who has to clean up your poop later well. It wasn't me again Rachel back anyway. Cereal pooping aside. Let's talk about US feeling pulling the need to poop when we return to familiar places now in twenty seventeen the Atlantic dug into what they call. And this is this is their term and I quite Lovett returners release specifically into what's basically like the call and response that your body has with familiar environments. There's all all kinds of notions that are microbiomes in our homes. microbiomes talk to each other. There's all there's relationships between your blood glucose and things like that and you being home so naturally okay cool makes perfect sense that you know you're in you're safe place now It's time you may release your bowels calming voice boy. I wish my head every time I needed to having exactly like the guy from Head space I love had space. Oh my God I had no idea. I had this town. But that doesn't necessarily apply to all of the people who are experiencing them Rico. Okay okay phenomenon. Rake is like a bookstore isn't necessarily a super familiar place for everyone but it does affect a lot of people in extremely scientific buzzfeed poll says that sixty one percent of respondents have had this moment in a bookstore specifically that's a hundred percent of those sixty kind of humans don't poop poop when they go to a bookstore right just sixty percent of humans who google door clicked on winter just needed to be like me too. ooh But anyway that doesn't stop us from wanting to really understand why we're just GONNA take through a couple of the the thoughts about what exactly is going on here. One one of the most widely reported is that it has something to do. With the the chemical smells of the inks and the glues at the paper that would make sense. You know. There's precedent for different smells and tastes triggering. Extreme sudden digestive response is it. 'cause people read on the toilet and then the smell of that's interesting. uh-huh Rachel Rachel's as smart as these scientists because they also tried to figure that out but on the smell thing. One Japanese researcher got a bunch of books the newspapers and buried his face in them for ten minutes. poop status on that was negative. So yes there's another notion of like we associate reading with toilets and so it's sort of a Pavlovian response and for some people. This goes all the way back to when they were potty potty training because a lot of potty training involves books and books you know like everybody poops. Yeah so there's potentially a really strong association there again. Nobody's nobody's done any study to really prove it so you know we're there we're relaxed. Some people find readings soothing. Reading soothes people to sleep. Why wouldn't it possibly sued them to boop? I wonder is there like as anyone investigator whether there's a correlation between people who like enjoy reading like people who read on the pooper her and pooping when in bookstores So shockingly I found no studies or data even study to do ah but then so like realization rates some other people think that the opposite is true that like people have stressful associations with books. They're overwhelmed by all of this information Russian and Oh my God I have to make a decision. I have to pick a book out of all these tiny lady Greens pook. Oh woe is me so many words so much knowledge I will will never possess or that like it's triggering stressful memories from when we were in college the cramming at a library. This is what I thought it was going to be. That people are stressed out by bookstores. And it's it's like a fighter flight bodies get rid of the poop no because we know that because we do know like yeah. Yeah I like sudden stress makes pants and I was on the swim team and I would like to go up and get ready and like stand behind the block inevitably got up there and it was like oh no they go to the bathroom. Often has the the blood is being diverted away. Fran digestion vomit to. Yeah some people vomit. It's also you get Diarrhea Korea when you run. Yeah don't I. I don't want to suggest that everyone who runs runs but but it does many it just enough for it to be a thing. So that's just the psychological stuff there are also some pretty dubious physiological article explanations having to do with our posture when we crouched down or bend at the waist to look at the shelves straightening out like being on us. Squad the acclimated yet shelved those are so so comfy although crossing your legs kind of does the same thing interesting. It's true that I probably Crouch in that position any bookstore more than like anywhere else. But I don't know do it in the CAF- restore yeah that's true too. How many people blur crouching down a look in books? I'm not buying it especially I feel like everyone. You start browsing like you have have to be really into it too. Yeah Yeah but I like you think that that is ridiculous. There are other ones that. Say something about tilting your head to the side and your gaze. As ewing over the spines of the books has sort of digestive trigger beyond beyond anything. Wow Yeah so that is probably the most whacked out of the theories and that is where the theories and this. I like the Association of books. I don't I don't read books on the toilet it so I didn't think about that but it's weird though because I was so curious about this because it's fly so contrary to this notion that like a lot of people just don't don't like pooping and public. It's a pretty common thing but like if you get so stressed out and you have this. It's actually it's not like an actual we'll condition that's in the DSM but there is a condition in the DSM about fear of urinating in public when other people might here but there's a complimentary condition that we don't really have data about for not wanting to poop and other people might hear you or might likely be around but holding it in can be like world add. Yeah Yeah we're not GONNA get constipated. Well Yeah Yeah and then in the long run if you put enough stress and strain on those muscles nerves opposite problem. Yeah oh I thought you were going to say hemorrhoids. No no you'll make yourself like sustained repeated. Constipation can actually then make you a not constipated. Bats unfortunate yeah so I don't know I guess the upshot here is like nobody seems to really know why this happens to people in bookstores. But if you gotTa Poop you should find a bathroom please. Please don't be a serial serial pooper which is just do it and read the books. We like books. Yeah though probably not in the bookstore. No don't don't bring those into the toilet with you. Tame Iti L. C.. That episode of Seinfeld the George took him book into the bathroom with him. You know whatever their equivalent Barnes and noble was and then. They forced him to buy it. Because it had been flagged and they tried to return it at other bookstores and they looked at it for and they spies unknown. Marketing is like I'm sorry. So this book has been flagged dragged by poop boop yet. Okay we're GONNA take a quick break and then we'll be back with more facts this episode sort of the weirdest thing I learned this week is brought to you by anchor. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. It's free their creation tools. That allow you to record. And Edit your podcast right from your phone or computer anchor. Distributes your podcast for you so it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and more and you can make money on your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. Download the free anchor APP or go to anchor DOT FM. I'm to get started okay. We're back and talk about an elephant on on an acid trip. It's a sad trip. Oh no bad trip a bad trip trip. It's kind of like Dumbo Jess. Oh so that movie is kind of interesting. I'll just say it's a really disturbing story and I don't want to talk about it. This is also kind of a disturbing story but it has uh slightly more uplifting ending so it's nine hundred sixty two and this elephant named Tosco is the prize of Oklahoma City Zoo. He's fourteen in. He's in his prime. He's a robust specimen weighing more than three tonnes and scientists at the University of Oklahoma. Decide to shoot him up with acid. Meaning we'll see how much I have to give an elephant so we're GONNA. They made the wrong choice so sensibly they were doing this to try to incite something called must at spelled S. T. H.. It's an urgency word from the Persian for drunk and it's this period that male elephants go through of like really intense aggression and their testosterone spikes. It's like an average of sixty eight times higher than normal but can be up to one hundred and forty times higher so it's a process we don't really understand even now but it's likely linked somehow how to like some sort of Rut or the pheromones involved in territorial meeting practices and just like arousal in general roll. It probably has something to do with meeting but yeah it causes problems when elephants are in captivity even elephants that are known to play really well with humans and act fine and not try to kill people can get really really violent with how much warning. So if you're going to keep elephants in zoos which is you know. And maybe a subject for debate understanding must is something researchers have been hoping to do for a while and the thing is. It's hard to study something thing that we don't really understand when it's like a random biological process that you don't know how to trigger or control so they were trying to come up with like an analogy four and you know some kind of controllable experimental protocol. They could put in place. That's like we do this. And it triggers this behavior that is almost identical to must so we can study that and study had stopped that and for some reason they decided that. LSD could be a way to do this. It is unclear why and frankly suspicious that they chose LSD which will get into more intimate but instead of inducing reach violence the drugs lead Tosco to collapse and start hurt seizing home after just five minutes and then about twenty minutes later they gave him a really potent antipsychotic which did nothing to help. And then they ended up tranquilizing using him because he was seizing and clearly a lot of distress and he died shortly thereafter. Jesus but it doesn't take too much scrutiny. To see a ton Hon of laws in the experiment even ignoring the whole issue of them not having any indication that LSD would induce the behavioral situation. They were trying to study. The researchers involved didn't really note their reasoning or dosing on the drug. They were using to intervene so now researchers say it's impossible to actually tell what killed Tosco and in fact most think it was probably the antipsychotic and or the barbiturate that was given to him to calm him down. Not The league. They I stopped his heart. Yeah exactly and then there's the LSD itself so the scientists injected Tesco with two hundred and ninety seven milligrams of LSD. which might not sound like that much because it's about one hundred milligrams later than the optimal dose of Ibuprofen for an adult human? You take like micrograms though you're right. Yeah but yeah. LSU's really strong doses are counted in micrograms. And that's one tenth the mass of a grain of sand so we know that targets have fewers viewers after his in the brain but the key one is this serotonin receptor and the LSD molecule catches onto it in such a way to make the receptor close up around it so so just stays in there. Making the receptor fire repeatedly which is what causes hallucinations. And until your brain cells can absorb the receptor and break down the molecule l.. which takes several hours? You'll keep feeling the effects so yeah it does not take a lot of LSD to take you to some crazy places in humans in some of this. This information is from the Illinois Science Council they have a blog about TESCO so in humans just twenty to thirty micrograms of LSD is enough to induce hallucinations. Which is about point point zero two milligrams or point zero zero four milligrams per kilogram of body weight and around one hundred to two hundred micrograms? which just just point one to point two milligrams is enough to produce major mental disturbances and people like psychosis and delirium Tusk does does was equivalent two point one milligrams per kilogram or about twenty five times? What would induce psychosis any human body? When did we figure out this math laugh? Did they just not understand numbers so they understood. I I will. I will get into the researchers. Who are doing this in a second? But it seems like that they were convinced based on what studies there were of animals. LSD that it would take more not just per kilogram but just more in general because their circulatory systems are fundamentally different. Or something and I. It's just it's really a fundamentally sleep flawed way for them to go about it usually when you're giving any kind of creature whether the human or a non human animal some kind of substance for the first time on the record or even when they're just not a huge body of evidence about how much is right to give them you start with what you're almost certain is way too small and then you move up you know it's it's pretty straightforward not not hard to understand the logic there an instead. It seems like they were like well. Better make sure we get a big enough dose so caught awed almost three hundred milligrams. It is so why did this happen. You might ask rightfully so many times on this show. Yeah and I. I think that we're all just so stunned that the words aren't coming but yes that so One suspicious player in the affair is the doctor. Louis jolyon Jolly Jolly West. He was known as Jolly did he. Study elephants no but he did help the government study. LSD As a possible tool corner mind control. Oh Wow wow yeah a little aside about what. LSD as listener dick acid diethylamide the acronym actually comes from the German tame. Fun fact was derived in nineteen thirty eight by Albert Hoffman. You made it from a chemical produced by the Hallucinogenic fungus that grows on Rye and apparently he actually actually accidentally eight psalm around five years after synthesizing it and realized its psychedelic properties and then he decided he would start experimenting with dosage. And it was actually Ashley marketed. In Europe as a psychiatric wonder drug then the CIA had to step in and literally by the world's supply of it for two hundred forty thousand dollars lers so they could try to use it for mind control during the cold. War Is truly unbelievable thing. Yes yeah it's like the Manchurian candidate more true than you would think exactly so yeah. This infamous suite of projects was called M. K.. Ultra and people talk about it a lot but I wanted to bring it up in relation to the TESCO story. 'cause I think at least from me I always kind of assumed that the wildest stories were ones that we didn't have confirmation of like I knew the name kilter ultra was real. I knew that the government had been like can we control minds maybe with drugs but so here's just one example to make it clear. How absolutely crazy easy? This was in operation midnight climax the CIA. Turn them up there. San Francisco safehouses into brothels and drugged customers. The logic perfect being ashamed of where the incident had occurred to ever tell anyone and then they watched them through a two way mirror to see how the LSD affected them. midnight climate. Yes operation midnight climax. What a name? I stuck there too. I heard this before where but I thought it was something that like people thought might have happened but no this is like a declassified one hundred percent true thing do you just feel you like maybe the CIA for while it was like a bunch of college pros growing. Wouldn't if we give them a bunch of people's trolling everyone just a little bit. Like how long do you think we could keep this going. Yeah Yeah and as it wasn't even illegal in the US until nineteen sixty eight and they did that because hippies were having too much fun with it so gone. They need to shut that down trying to learn more about themselves. A good time said a mind controlling people with parents ruined everything and at least according to the CIA. Ah It was Never never really worked out as a mind control drugs though there is evidence that It does make you more susceptible to the power of suggestion. which is you know I would say? Most drugs are generally hallucinogenics. So there's a lot of actually really fascinating research on LSD starting to come out of the woodwork. Now for a while it was not really something. You'd get funding for because of how it was illegal. Thanks government but but it's considered one of the safer drugs. You definitely have a bad trip. But it's not considered addictive there have been deaths on LSD. But it's not something you you can strictly speaking od on and it has some really positive effects when he can in the right settings there's a lot of research now on people overcoming depression anxiety. PTSD by having guided counseling sessions wellbeing on LSD or solicitation which are magic magic mushrooms which are a very similar loosening genetic compound and a lot of people think may come down to interesting connection that seemed to happen in the brain when you're on LSD just parts of the brain talking to each other in a different way than usual and also something the default mode network which is basically the functional connections in your brain that are kind of running the background and are actually more active when you're not focused it's like the brain system that makes up your stream of consciousness physically Gli has has like less going on when you're on LSD and they think that's what leads to this kind of ego disillusion where you are like feeling more connected to the world and like it's really hard to describe because it's like literally just like you the sense that you are an individual all separate from other people in the world and things around you just kind of goes away apparently or Ken just WanNa love man so with the right kind of talk therapy this kind of dissolution of the ego seems to help people overcome various traumas or anxiety about doc. It's been especially promising for patients of terminal illness and in kind of helping people break free from those kinds of fears. So yeah there's now starting learning to be really cool research on it thanks to the CIA. An ultra and to briefly bring it back to poor Cusco in one thousand nine hundred four scientists named Ronald Segal who is best known for his argument that humans and other animals are hard wired to seek out mind altering experiences in the form of like alcohol stimulants and take lack of compounds. A key thought we were just inherently driven to try to like get turned scientific. Yeah Yeah I think I just wish that everybody can see the hand and so he decided to repeat the TESCO experiment with much more rigor which is to say recur it all so you use to elephants and he gradually figured out the dose by starting small and working up and his team mount up with wings zero three milligrams per told Graham low-end does and appoint one milligram per kilogram dose for the high which of the steam that tusker received but instead of injecting it into their muscles they administered it in water the same way humans take LSD. Generally it would be like dissolved into your mouth and so they just like didn't give the elephants water for a few hours and gave them a bucket full of their dose of LSD. And they drink it up. What a confusing world for those elephants? Yeah and they did act strangely eh more so on the higher dose and they showed some like minimal brief signs of aggression and probably just because they were like what is happening but it wasn't like us esteemed super violent outbursts. The way must is so he concluded that LSD did not incite a must like st in elephants and therefore was not a useful research tool in this regard but they also like they just didn't act very aggressive. They acted the way you would kind of assume elephants ends on acid. Would they like freaked out briefly and then just kind of like rocked around and like walked funny and like one of them like laid down for long enough that they were worried but then they went over and like nudge. The elephant and got back up was like fine. I'm fine ground. Just felt so good. Yeah and then. They didn't have any long term. Ill effects so you know Kinda like human has true for all potential acid users. What matters this is being careful about your dosage and having a good buddy to watch you on your trip which these leaders scientists proved proved to be? So that's it. That's my story for your high interest. Don't give elephants acid. It's probably just a bad idea. General but Barfield so different right now. Okay we'll take a quick break and then we'll be back with one more fact this episode of the weirdest thing I learned this week is brought to you by spotify on spotify. You can follow your favorite podcasts. So you never miss missing. episode plus premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and it's super easy to share what you're listening to with friends on on instagram on spotify. You listen to all of your favorite podcasts and music artists in one place for free. You do not need a premium account if you haven't been done so already be sure to download the spotify APP search for the weirdest thing. I learned this week on spotify or browse podcasts. In the Your Library Tab also make sure to follow the weirdest thing I learned this week so you never miss an episode okay. We're back and Sarah. Why don't you tell us about our most stuck in a bathtub president? Yeah who I learned in the course of researching. This never got stuck in a bathtub. All Yeah he's our only he's the only president resident who was also the name he was He was famous for loving bathtubs When he like traveled down on a ship to go see? The Panama Canal Geese requested a giant bathtub. That there's this famous photo of four full grown men sitting taught him so he was like a large man but it wasn't extremely big. Yeah but like extremely accomplished human and president and all we know about him is that he got stuck in a bathtub and he's the last president to have facial hair. So William Howard Taft. Before we get into him we're going to have a brief primer on how you make whisky. which is that? Let you start with some grain mostly barley and then you convert the starch into sugars which we call malting and then you turn the sugar into alcohol which is fermenting. And then you distill it see like boil off the alcohol and then some of the flavor compounds come over and at that stage it tastes pretty bad so you stick it in a barrel usually in oak barrel and then you just let it sit there and overtime in a magical chemical reaction. The things that tasted bad turned into things taste good and then at least three years as leader. Generally you have whiskey. Wow it's incredible. It's amazing why didn't you bring some for us to sample. I should've I should've brought the maker's mark but alas but but starting in the late eighteen hundreds there was another option because we had invented artificial flavorings and so some clever people realize that what you could do was take the little bit of real whiskey. Mix It with basically vodka like some kind of neutral spirit and then adds caramel color and some flavoring and tastes like fancier whisky. You can sell it for a much higher profit margin because it's really cheap for you to make it and they called this. Rectified whiskey I guess because they will fixing it and apparently you could get like rectified versions of pretty much everything they sold like bourbon essence and like old Tom Gin essence and you could just like make any alcohol you wanted just by mixing like vodka and this wave so this is like the booze equivalent of the Coke Syrup that goes into a Soda Fountain. Yes exactly I kind of wished that they still existed as a thing. I was thinking unlike like those little crystal late scores as we should have this or like those coke machines where you can combine any fleeing gathering. Yeah you style machine. Yeah fine but alcohol Boozy freestone machine I would love the Coca Cola but Unsurprisingly the the traditional Sean whisky-makers did not like it at all. Yeah they felt that it was not real whiskey but there was not a lot they could do about it because who got to decide. What whiskey is There was literally no law to say. Whiskey was it seemed briefly. Like maybe something would happen for them. When Congress decided to start investigating the distilling filling and cattle feeding company which was better known as the whiskey trust because they sold like ninety percent of all the alcohol but was purchased in the united the Whisky Company? Just one. The whiskey trust They were one of the original stocks on the Dow. They are so big. The case was kind of complicated. Apparently they were sort of engaging and maybe bribery so as to maintain their monopoly of whiskey and other alcohols but the people making the case against them ended up basically. Just just trying to make the argument that fundamentally the whiskey trust was just like not to be trusted. They were just bad big antitrust as the argument they make make was they made the they were duping customers into buying fake whiskey but then that meant that they were basically asking Congress to decide like well. What is whiskey like it? If this is fake whiskey they want makes it real whiskey. These are the real questions that Congress was created to answer yes exactly important issues in eighteen ninety five yep because because it was extra confusing because the people making the case are basically saying we'll indistinguishable from real whiskey because that's why people buy it because it's indistinguishable but if it's indistinguishable schauble than like isn't that whiskey like it's a brown liquid and it tastes like West. You've got the chemicals that make it tastes like whiskey and there's not a diet and quacks like a duck. It's whiskey exactly so they never really decided because it a strange twist of events the main expert testimony was given by a man who was in a short selling scheme with stockbroker company to to try to like take the whiskey. Trust down so that didn't really go anywhere for them. But it stirred up all this controversy and then later Congress passed the bure food and drug act of nineteen o six which was a major piece of legislation that got acted after Upton Sinclair published the jungle which of course was about all of the incredibly shady eighty and frankly revolting practices in the meat packing industry. And it's basically just like a truth in labeling law that says like you have to disclose certain things about your food products like what is in them. Like for instance. Is there cocaine in your Coca Cola. Isn't there your milk. which was another thing that was happening? Yeah so this is like a huge piece of legislation and in it. They had to decide what is whiskey and it was decided that whisky was only traditional whisky. You had to fermented and you had to mash it and you had to aged in barrels and that was the only thing that whiskey could be if you added anything except water like if you added a neutral oh spirit or flavorings or anything like that. That is not whiskey. That is an imitation or a compound which unsurprisingly people did not want to buy something to drink that was called a compound so the rectifier weren't happy about this. They didn't want to call their whiskey a compound. That wasn't appealing so teddy. Roosevelt was president at the time and they basically just like lobbied it hard enough and we're angry enough that they got the attorney general to consider their case and revise the law but they got shut down The kept trying in the kept trying until still are good man president. Taft came into office and search bathtub. Full of whiskey precisely. He was a large man his solicitor the general took it on it. I mean whatever decision the solicitor general came to was so terrible that both sides were like absolutely not and they asked the president himself himself to decide about it because he was a lawyer and I guess he liked whiskey and so he personally heard the case and he laid down the law in what is called the taff decision which says that you can call it straight whiskey. It's made from only grain so you can't. You cannot water to get it down to like a certain safe alcohol content basically but you can't add anything else you can't I call it whisky if it'll blind you actually but if you call it blended whisky not that can be whiskies blended with other whiskies but it can also be whiskey blended with other neutral spirits and things like that. No one was really happy about that but I think at that point they. It's just ask so many people that they were like well. The president himself has said it and so we must abide by it and that has literally been most of our definition of whiskey for the last hundred plus years. They did add like a stipulation that it has to be age specifically in new barrels and there is like a specific range of alcohol all content. But basically we're still going by what president. Taft decided just personally was going to be whiskey but the problem is that now science has kinda caught up to us so we don't no one's really making whiskey adding artificial whiskey flavor although frankly they should make that and that should be a new thing but they are making whisky in many any many fewer months than like three years than is standard. Like there's some whiskey now that is made in basically a couple of weeks or even like there's a brand of rum that's made in six days. So like Cleveland whiskey. Does it by putting the liquor in a big steel drum and then you throw a bunch of like Oak staves in there are and then they use very high pressure to push the liquor through the woods and like back out again. So you're just like doing the aging thing but really fast asked work. Yeah exactly unlike. I think it's Cleveland. Whiskey has won awards for how good their Whiskey is. There's another place place called. OC Tyler that does it with oxygen and ultrasound. A place called lost spirits uses like again would chunks but then like heat an ultrasound sound and you're basically just making the chemical reaction happen faster which is really smart if you're a distiller because if you make any aged alcohol. Paul is very hard to go with the market flow. Apparently maker's mark like made all these headlines because they said that whisky was getting getting so much more popular perhaps because of mad men. That's probably true not true. It's not it's not true and In the wake of the popularity ready because they age they're whiskey for so long they were basically going to have to start like watering down there. Alcohol to meet all of the demand for it. Okay Hey which is wild but it says like you you have to be predicted demand like a decade from now which is a silly thing but if you could make your whiskey in a few weeks that wouldn't be a problem you would make a lot more money but like again. All of the people who make like real whiskey are trying to argue well. That's not really whiskey whiskey but legally it is whiskey except in Europe. Europe says he and has to be aged for three years in Europe to call it whisky so apparently Europe. This whisky is not whiskey but here it is whiskey. What do they call this other thing? I don't know but you're not legally allowed to label wispy and imitation. Perhaps our compound. I'm not really sure but I just think this is so silly because like elway's whiskey but right I just. I don't see the argument to say that must be aged for it to be right whiskey but then again if it's if you don't lay down a the definition than what is whiskey. Wow I don't know it's just blended green juice. Yeah but then like so was not thing. Yeah this is the problem. Now is zoned out for a second. Because there's this really cheap whiskey that my dad buys and keeps unlike the big plastic handle at home and I just needed to know if it was blended so that I could board it over him that it wasn't real whiskey but it's real but it is. I was disappointed but also blended whisky Israel. Whiskey like lots of good whiskeys are blended whiskies. Yeah it's all real taste like Wigan is and I think it's all silly I mean this doesn't taste like good whiskey. Good whiskey and realist. Here are different different issues. Yes wow what was the weirdest thing we learned this week. The poop in that was Chris. Yeah that was really fascinating. I wish there was a more definitive answer but I love that for the people people who are doing the poop in very real real. The weirdest thing I learned this week is a popular science podcast. Where available on all major podcast platforms? Subscribe subscribe wherever. You're listening now and if you like what you hear please rate and review us on itunes. That helps other Weirdos. Find The show you can buy our merch including weirdest thing t shirts tote bags Ed mugs at pop side Dot threatless dot com. Our show is produced by Oliver hosts including Rachel felt men. And our editors just bodey and Jason Letterman our theme music by Billy Cannon. If you have questions suggestions weird stories to share tweet us at weirdest underscore thing. Thanks for listening Weirdos.

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Ep 89: Rand the Rib

Hyperbrole: A Comedy Advice Podcast

39:32 min | 1 year ago

Ep 89: Rand the Rib

"Hey thanks anthony for picking us up to go to the movies. Oh god i'm pumped. I haven't seen a good action film with the guys in a long time. Yeah sure i i wouldn't call the lion king and action action film but no problem man. Hey where's rand. We've been waiting outside his house for ten minutes. Oh there is a guy sorry. I'm late at just had to get some snacks to sneak speaking to the movie theater. Nice exams <hes> nope skittles negative. Dude your pants or bulging. It looks like they're bleeding. What did you run at bresson. Ribs slathered in barbecue sauce what you got like a whole rack. You hit them in your pants. Yes the a._m._c. guys won't see him. Read your pants so ct in barbecue sauce and you smell like a roadhouse. They're gonna notice. Don't worry about some axe body spray. How are you gonna eat them. You're gonna get <unk> barbecue sauce. All over the feeder. Go look like a karnik crime scene. I brought like five moist towelettes so you brought a rack of ribs ebbs a can of axe body spray and five moist towelettes anything else <hes> ooh. I actually forgot my wallet. <hes> when you guys <hes> give me on my ticket exchange for a rib hyperbole vice podcast for two brothers that rated statement not taken literally high hyperbole hello and welcome to another episode of hyperbole podcast itself held podcast. The helpless by name is stephan and i am your first host and i'm excited to see this action film the lion king my my name is i think stephanie had a psychotic break. Watch talk like this bra okay and we're we're joined today by a very special glass that slowly becoming a brother. His name is not brand not rand. Paul not randolph the gray. It's rand yep. It's me again. Guys is rand. We are it and we call him rand the rib because he's just always prepared in what they call me so fucking guy ritchie bill. I'm ramble ram the the rib. You wanna wanna call golden ran the rib because he's always got ribs anyway and this is that rand and will forever be called ryan all right guys. What do you say we read a review for apple. Oh podcasts yeah so this review from film fan twelve thirty two and it said five stars woo end it says says make the baby pay for it what that's in reference to what it's solely reserved. If you don't understand the reference go back to one of our earlier episodes. I don't really know what it is either because i forget the shit that i say as soon as it leaves my mouth but it's probably maybe maybe it's not maybe the guy accidentally left review on the wrong podcasts yeah. I honestly don't remember we just you out content like a very gross metaphors about teenagers with their oh no no no with their snapchat yeah exact- like yeah yeah. That's what we do so we don't remember any red yup it so if you if you quote a. cast phrase to us the <hes> was from like two weeks will be like yeah and like what the fuck should stop because yeah please do it. I i enjoy being confused. <hes> we need it because if you do it it prevents insult comedy dementia from progressing so yeah lease please review us because it will help other people find us and then it'll help us find ourselves again because we're lost. We don't know what we're saying. We're riding around the same block in our cars thinking. We're gonna see the lion king. We don't know that ribs don't belong at pants so ran. The rib is just running rampant and anyway make make the baby pay for it. There's more to the review and you read the arrest on the second page. Fuck no i did not i did not that at all. I thought it was just made the bay for all right. These three brothers clearly have chemistry. They were if off each other's advise advise and take the conversation places. You'd never expect. I was walking through campus by myself and had to try to stifle laughter while listening to this. It's funny to the the point where i could not stop myself from laughing out loud. Thank you so much for the review film fan twelve thirty two if you you guys if we make you cackle on campus then crack a you're open your computer and mcdonnell any other c words reliever review yet do that here a so you were. Thank you anthony scatter. Let's go onto the quote of the week. This is where we break down the meaning of quotes from great people to reflect on in our self help. We're going to take a quote this week from inspire bot. It's it's an a._i. Driven machine met a squeeze life lemons for us and spray us with citric wisdom or citrusy since a is in the future. We need to get used to losing using robots so all hail inspire about this. Week's quote is <hes> life begins when we learned to synchronize with the network eric of international bankers very insightful very insightful yeah life life does not begin until you are a full-blown syndicate of the international bankers. I feel like i feel like jay. Z learned that early on because he was like yo dog wraps and then he was like yo dog rose a._a. And then he started selling other shit and he got in touch with international bankers and now his true life has begun yeah like everybody. I mean that's what that's the american dream right is to get rich and and become part of the aluminum body yeah. That's true in the way to do it is through banker networks. See every national bankers specifically yeah if you're a a domestic banker like i'm a branch manager wells fargo now no burn. It's just within the state just in the it's the region the tri state area. No no national baker's only yes exactly synchronized regional credit union banker. Would it'll be like the aluminum for like four towns in kansas the lil lumina no you'll be the illuminated. Gotta get up to the luminosity. Oh my god. That's i went there. Yes okay. We're gonna stop talking about that quote because i feel like it spoke to everyone. Everyone and it's still reverberating so as a reverberates. We're going to press on and what are we going to press into. I'll tell you it's the belief. This is the part of the podcast where we find questions from read it or they get sent into us from fans and we just answer them. We've also got some book titles for self off help books. We've got some quo. We don't have close. We have some words and we have a lot of laughter lots of fun so without further ado question one on this is coming from a fan screen scream. She says he says he she says dearest brothers and maybe rand. Yes rand is here so so yes in rant my boyfriend. My relationship is pretty great except for one thing deciding what to watch on tv we get in fights because i usually don't wanna watch shit like rick and morty and he usually doesn't wanna watch the stuff. I like like britain's greatest baking show or the bachelor. How do we find a way to watch tv in in peace. Thank you thank you screen scream green scream. It's like green screen screen screen cranston say it again anthony screens great. It sounds like a little kid like asking for like ice cream or something screen scraping words work and i just like say half of the word twice. They're like yeah. Is there any other shit you wanna dump on one of our adoring fans. No i well yeah. I mean fuck you. Just kidding love the fans <hes> now <hes> this actually kinda hit home for me because those are two examples of specific shows my wife and i went that we both despise watch i. I know i heard your wife talking about it last week. She was like god. I fucking love rick and morty but anthony's like no. I like britain's greatest naked. Show the matt yep exactly house like babe. We'll look at that pavlova and she was like fucking even steven anthony man ran. What about you. How do you and your wife intermingle your tv interests. I i just you know you just gotta. Grit your teeth and just watch some shit that you don't want to watch sometimes and that's fine like you like you. Don't have to decide decide that. You're that you're gonna not not like it not so. You're gonna like it not like. You're gonna like it so you just decide. You're going to like the what the fuck riverdale like house like number dan those who've been and then i started watching. It and i'm like dude. This is stupid but when the best do i can sympathize or thighs buck in the bachelor and i have watched the last four seasons of anna knocking. I fucking hate it but i am slyke legitimately only entertained when i watched it like i i would not watch it if i was not presented to me but i just sit there and i'm like what the fuck doing and like i get caught up in. It and i recognize that i'm gonna cut up with it and i hate it yeah. It's i feel like it's the the bachelor is like the cheese it's of t._v. You would never go out and buy them but if somebody has them at their house no oil no no no no. She's yeah. Cheeses are awesome. That's everybody loves jesus. Okay pringles yeah veggies. That's the perfect veggie straws no one i. I love veggie straws. I buy that shit all the time my docked sucking. I don't know the special brigades. I am a special breed. Nobody's nobody's quite like ryan. The rib but rib straws rib flavored one like so we're saying the bachelor's kind of ribs. You wouldn't god and make them yourself but if you see them on the table y'all eat them but if they're being offered you from someone's pants you're gonna be all over all man. The pant ribs are just the best okay but <hes> yeah so. I think rand is onto something year. Though you're going to have to start liking you're gonna have to open up your your mind. I would say to stretch it out to like some things that you would probably feel uncomfortable with and just take in in grit your teeth and like let it build a little bit of resentment in your in the back of your mind and then like after long enough. He's blow up and spilling always watch what she watch. Watch watching my shit tonight. You know what you are like. It two. T._v.'s get a second t._v. Next year current t._v. wien just watching both at the same time. Yeah you could get an extra t._v. Ranch saying piggybacking off that idea and put autumn in your room if two t._v.'s in your room and then one of you lays on one side watches at the other one lays on the other side. Isn't there some sort you know what guys i feel like. There is a rich vein of money-making here that we just nobody's tapped into you. Make a show. That's just both it's. It's got fucking both where you have the bachelor and the bachelorette party and and that's it ah i don't know if i get sued for that <hes> thirty good though it just again hey our tune i would prefer live action. Yeah that would be the best yeah or if you like. Bob's burgers just do bob's ops greatest baking show where it's just a contest of who makes the best burgers and we're fucking john benjamin. It's just bake anything they're like. Oh how would you overcoming and he's like <hes> burgers the pavlova the it's a fucking stupid little <hes> it's a meringue. It's like got cooked meringue. Oh do fucking delicious. It's an australian desert inspire their russian ballerina. Are you fucking kidding me. They're okay. They're not that good. They're they're they're okay. I'm gonna make you a pavlova bitch and yeah but now from lee stopover actually yeah yeah fuck you man oh there okay. I'm the oldest it's made you a goddamn of sorry my it's just not my thing okay whatever anyway fuck. You never make you a pep love. I've never ever ever anyway so what what maybe there's some overlapping shows that can that are like <hes> maybe palate cleansers or gateways to the shows that you like watching like maybe rick and morty is a little too spicy but what's something more mild that can easy win <hes> simpson's their yo simpson's. The classic should just pick something the thing that neither of you wanna watch. That's good just watch the news. Oh my god watch c. Span and not even the news like hearings yeah watch the local broadcast network just got god wayne and garth type shit people in their basement filming each each other diapers of this channels but no one watches them like there's no police saying that it's just like broadcast to everyone at a falls on deaf ears actually waged at least around here me and leave. I used to turn them on like the morning old man like play about how you're going to get saved god's word but he's sitting in like the details like wearing a suit. It's too big and he's just like sweating. Bullets is not used to studio lighting and issues like too hot air. Yeah save all your t._v. Optic time for two a._m. The turn into your tune into your local evangelical station why you guys took turns to turns tuning into your local evangelical yeah so one just stays up to record it and then i guess in watch at the next day together no but i was saying take turns of what you wanna watch. Any other person has to watch it the nearly kind of say that and the rule it no. I think we kind of said that you watch you. Bring in two t._v.'s and watch your a your shift next to each other which i feel like would bring on terrifying nightmares but even if you're watching two different things at the same time i'm sure it's going to enter your brain and some fucked way and coming up on the bachelor rig. I can't the voice but you know what i'm saying. I like him. I don't think i've really seen this show maury maury to put you in your butthole morning wonderful or something like that's probably probably a an episode. Just don't watch t._v. Get out there and do some shit with onto that yeah. We got outside. That's a bad idea. Play david areas gary out there play video games. That's see that's good advice erin thousands of hours video games. Okay guys got not something but i want to run a by. I what if you show your boyfriend adult films but they're britain's greatest baking show themed tonight so ben hill like it. Oh my god to check out those pablo buzz to. I don't know but yeah just i don't know just watch skin flakes that are like your favorite shows. What's the second role thirty four version of everything by the way meringue on it yeah or dude holy shit. How much stuff is there on t._v. These days where you can't find something that you both like yeah but there's so much garbage it's like ah for every billion hours of content is like twenty minutes of decent television so you're telling me that the bachelor is is is one of those twenty minutes that rises above the rest. No why would i did not say that at all and rick and morty is just a diamond in the rough now. They're probably just both examples hot garbage. You know what we all love in in different ways just watch sports spoils on sports but no not not popular sports that your boyfriend might like watch. It's just like badminton yeah in curling curling or fucking lacrosse really get the the whole the full package. I got the curling package on my directtv growing. All the championship games right air certainly region brew. The older curling brown limited your cloud space on e._s._p._n. Forty six. It's covering all curling all the time a bro. I got e._s._p._n. Forty-seven the perils of curls okay i'm pretty done with this question. Do curl nice okay. All right question does not question does it's new segment self-help books so many self help books. We're gonna make ourselves or at least the title sa- guys this theme. We have to make title around and eating right. Let's brainstorm now. Get your body right. Get your body right okay. Is it about about i don't i don't know eating right. I guess okay. I don't know i'm going to throw it out there. Eating right eight colon finding the right foods that fuel your mind to hate immigrants and like like politically right yeah. That's what i was trying to go for a and guys don't worry. I'm not anti ride right. I am a full communist so we don't have to worry. We are not anti-right. I'm i'm in the middle. I'm communists. That's like middle. That's that's that's the center that's like moderate political spectrum <hes> i give i give equal attention to all parties. I like it very good grounding out there. Can we make a title with grub like grub a dub dub eating in the tub. Oh shit yeah you can only eat in the tub <hes> and there. You'll lose weight because your water bill be too high. If you don't stop or you'll be a fat guy stuck in a tub like winnie the pooh when he can't get out of rabbits. It's house or like william howard taft but i like that one better william howard taft. Did he stuck in a tub. Yeah that'd legit extra big tub because he was do fucking fat so the tub in the white house was like five hundred pounds in the in the the guy ritchie movie they called him. How would the tub ran the rib. God okay okay anything else. I think i think i was rub. Rub a dub tub grab tubs are. I don't know okay all right guys. What do you say we all jump in the tub together. While our listeners hear a word from our sponsor i would describe myself as the charitable person. Would you shut up what stephens trying to say is. We were blown away when we learned about the app that lets you donate to charity just for listening. That's right pod coin with pod outgoing. You're in the digital currency. Just listening to your favorite podcasts then you can donate your coin to charities who will get real money donations. You can also use your pod coin in exchange it for other rewards like like amazon and starbucks gift cards so download pod coin in the app store or on android and ios our special code steph f p._c. To get three hundred pod coin just for checking it out just what i wanted to hear. Blah blah blah blah blah and welcome back everybody. Let's move on to question. Two anti rand ran the rib. Could you read this place. Ashir cad all right question to need help curbing. My sporadic sleepwalking slash sleep eating issues less than it. It was the weirdest sleep eating. I've ever had discovering a plate of dog food with milk on the night. Sleep meds sunny some practical practical ways of keeping myself in bed. Are there any products that can help anyone else with experiences like this would be super helpful. Thanks sincerely leap walker texas ranger. That's fucking wild never heard of that before. A plate of food food with mel got it. Did you think it was a serial really looks like syria. I guess i guess if you were not looking at cereal and you're just listening to the clinking clanking mail sorry food. I could mistake it for cereal. That's fair but opening the box because cereals israel's in a box right dog foods in a big sack not always you get that dope super cheap cereal from fry's. Isn't that big ass bag. It's it's the the best serial to okay proved me wrong. Then what what about is there some sort of you know how kangaroos have a pouch. Is there some sort of pouch. You can put yourself into to not sleep. Walk like are from the roof for something like a what i'm i'm saying is by a kangaroo in sleep inside. It's pouch but could you fit in the kangaroos patch. If you stretch it a poor kangaroo you know i mean just going taking a better idea from an looking dumb. I think you should tire yourself up like a bat and hang from the ceiling ling upside down yeah well. I guess you do read set up so it's not quite like a bad wouldn't your shoulders pop out of their sockets kitts. Though no you're just in a big like sock. Oh okay okay okay okay and then the only way down is like you like un release as a lever and it just drops you to the floor okay so if you're sleepwalking and you do it you'll just fall in wake yourself up 'cause like smack on the floor or die in the beginning of our flora's okay. That's good so put yourself in a big sack. What if you curl yourself up and then maybe handcuffs you couldn't move and then and swallow the key regular restraints but what if you take a asleep shit will then you'll have the key food right. What have you shit out the key and flush. It is what i'm saying. I feel like that would take l. line. You're going to be cia. I mean i guess if you strap yourself so where you can't use your arms or legs and you saw the key it. You're only going to get out if if you hit the bed. What does the bed every day yes every day yet the bed well. I mean obviously i gotta learn throw keys from walk to hand outstretched strapped to the also covered shed good yeah what about what about those things you know those stretchers the e._m._t.'s have that they put you on the tie you down for people with neck injuries yeah confront. This is what i was picturing. Yeah what if you do that and then you get a bedpan to right. Oh there you go then. You can can shit safely into your guys. I don't feel i feel like he's not going to sleep shit. I feel like the problem. Is these sleep eating sleep walking. I don't think he's actually but if he's if he knows what he's doing enough to pour himself a bowl a dog food. I mean he might be awake enough. Shit his pants to get a key. Where a diaper hyper bedpan solved it diaper weight but if he's tied up how you gonna get untied in his sleep. It's just going to shoot purpose back everywhere the diaper no so so. How's the bedpan get a work. If he's tied up we'll just title like an atlas straightjacket like an way way slanted at a forty five degree angle kanye hole hole right where your cheeks are and then it allows you to jus- go plop into the bedpan the work work yeah. I like it. Let's say shock trap like yeah. If you put a strap on your door exiting your room so you're going to get shot almost lethally if you if you step through and that'll help i wake up i ha i like it like oh my god i have to get to the hospital. My night shoes melted to my seat. Anthony used to sleep walk and sleep p. Oh yeah i tell this story on the on the air anthony yeah. I have no shame i gave you permission to story but thank you rent so one time. I was hanging out anthony. He just started walking over in the kitchen and he went over to the trash. Can those like anthony. What are you doing and he just peed right in the trash. Can i thought okay well. That'd be weird if he was actually awake and then the next day. I see anthony as i'm in my bed because chris and i used to sleep together. I mean just have sex. I'm just kidding kristen. I it was casual. Yeah grits that i used to sleep in the same bed as brothers do and i saw anthony and i say he he looks like one of those evil kids from from one of the scary movies this you can just see him with his head tilted like anthony eight doesn't respond and he just starts parts walking closer and like anthony anthony and then he pulls out his dick and like no and i go for the door and i slam ah shut it and then it slams right in the nicotine and then you can hear the hot liquid pressed against the wooden door so it's all over both chris and me and then i heard him whispering he was like vengeance is a dish best served warm so the moral of that story as if you can sleep pants you can sleep shit okay fine. I'm done. I'm done and give out word of the week is where you learn a new word. You don't laugh but you learn. The word of this week probably isn't that new but it's called diatribe and that is a forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something anthony you wanna use in a sentence the oh <hes> i'm fucking stupid. But why did you pick me this establish. Anthony doesn't know how to read yeah. I reading is not my strong suit. Plata's mice johnson thank you <hes> like a okay stephens about to go into with diatribe about anthony not being able to create an example of diatribe diatribe in a sentence done okay finals. Shin ran ran the rib d._o._s. Already read one anthony. Could you read this last question for us how to talk to the car repair without sounding rude my car. It has been in the car shop since july ninth. I have called three times since then and the reply i get every time as were having trouble with such asia and such part but it should be ready today. Oh wait. That's not summation point. It should be ready today slash tomorrow. We'll call when when it's ready wait. Are they saying we'll. It's ready anyway living the lie twenty second and still bill no car. I'm a teacher and teacher in service days start next monday july twenty nine. My school is about <unk> a twenty twenty five minute drive away so i really need my car. How should i let the car repairman no my frustration with the situation situation without coming off sincerely car trouble for teach. He's yeah yeah the car back alley. How's it not fixed it yeah what the fuck could possibly how many times you jerked off in my car they do. We have to go there jesus debt you know that's what they do in those car shops like they don't do anything. I'm pretty sure out out of all of the things that i've imagined that car mechanics have done. I have never imagined them just jerking off in the car multiple times so doug greasy. Oh no don't do that to yourself with that kind of oil never gonna shake car mechanics and again or hair you should you should see their dicks man. It's oh my god. I just imagined some car mechanic coming home. After a long day dave work he's running his hands through the water cleaning up the oil then he pulls out his dick and he starts running through the water to clean out the oil at that orange shit waist down oh no and then his wife honey he's like oh. You know had go through three or four rounds today. Sweetie really put it through the ringer. Oh no part of a cleric crankshaft. Yes it does a good laugh. I love anthony's and he's got his sense of humor is very simple person. I like simple. The things mostly dick at boob joke yes yes so so how can we not be rude to this man the car tech person just steal your car back yet. You're not functional gardens discovered in repairman seen when you don't know oh no i mean isn't it gonna be covered anyway yes but at least you will wipe down or something i they don't want you to know dude. Oh god could we. I'm getting a stomach that is disgusting. Yeah just think about that every time getting your car. You're no no let's change subjects. How can i have a lot more d._i._y. Car repair. How can we steal car handgun. You got a handgun gun any kind of weapon a you can threaten you know <hes> saving around in the air. He's a teacher so he probably has a protracted. That'll work get it catches dick and approach tractor. It'd be like well. Listen motherfucker all mike god anthony no are the day i'm gonna fucking reduce you to thirty degrees now dealing with cute little wiener now dr jealousy those up going to say yeah. Let's let's go at it. From different angles show <hes> okay. Oh sorry that one was a groner <hes>. I liked that one. Thank you sleep breath. I say send him a card hard. Send him a cute little card with maybe one of those car mechanics that that is leaning over to fix the car and it's his crack is show and <hes> and the arl no oh you're describing the hard oh that would be a nice very inception meadow. We like the picture like is face on it looking back. He probably won't even notice until the end of the day anyway. That's probably how he was male. The mailman just shoves it slides down the crack. It's got a little tattoo with a p._o. Box on it so we can never move. He doesn't need to beat sit in the office all day anyway. Stop singing stock seen indica. Stop saying season all right all right all right anthony. I want one p._g. Advice pearl for you. Give him let him. Have you know oh tell him to give your car. Please five go back to the dick jokes. They can get a place. He's gonna have my car and i don't wanna be rude. I just i just need my car please. That's that's you might come officer than sane person like you're gonna stab him but with just the application okay hear me out is is going to sound pretty crazy but if you set his whole office on fire will year what you get insurance to pay for your car yeah and like fucking month <unk> have but you just have to hope that it's demolished because if not then they're going to like oh yeah we'll pay for it. If this guy fixes it a fall excellent okay. That's our show. Everybody wanted to just have a couple couple plugs before we leave. Leave a review follow us on twitter instagram email question at ask us anything. Hyperbole podcast has dot com or send us a live voice message on anchor on anchor. Thank you shouts to screen scream. Thank you positively wolf. One one x ray anna summer stephen chats amina tim and greg and thank you thank you so welcome okay and they a big old. Thanks to ran the rib. Thank you <hes> you've got jokes to spare like <hes> fuck looking little rivers. <hes> now like joey. Joan river's okay all right. I gotta go all right up while you see it on the riverbed okay bye guys.

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BONUS: Virginia Madsen Live at Westin!

Life is Short with Justin Long

1:23:39 hr | 9 months ago

BONUS: Virginia Madsen Live at Westin!

"This episode of life is short is brought to you by Weston Westin hotels and resorts have a single goal. That's to help guess travel well. They've got everything you'll need to stay healthy and feel good while you're out what's seen the world so keep listening to find out how their wellness offerings can help. You maintain your routine by eating well moving well and sleeping. Well here we go the. I don't drink wine anymore and something that I'm kind of embarrassed about sometimes because I know Oh that's a very adult thing to do and the reason I don't is because you know the story I do but I would love to hear it again. I was a freshman in college my best friend. James Duffy's Dad. Hank came to visit. Hank was a very gregarious warm like loved having people around and so he took us off for this dinner and he was ordering so much wine I think there were seven or eight of us at one point. We run a twelve or thirteen bottle of wine. Hank kept ordering more bottles at one point and I remember going to the bathroom and I was Kinda wobbly and I just vomited more than I ever had certainly up until that point I remember remember thinking. It was like a Bathtub Faucet had turned on and was just read it was just pouring out into the sink. It was ruined it out. Oh you're so into that. And then I liked splash some water on my face and tried to click myself in stumbled back to the table and I was about to say I go home. I'm I'm you know I can't drink. And he said nonsense a toast that he was like in the middle of a toast and I was hanging over for two straight days. I felt so awful that I t to this day. They can't really drink wine. You make him sound like an old president or something. Like William Howard Taft. Yeah could be a dream. Live live could be intriguing ship. You're listening to life is short. I am your wine. Free host Justin Long Sweetheart did do shepherd and with as always his my wine an enjoying Europe find pallets owning other Christian. You do like wine. Do I do think there is an element of bullshit in in the wine aficionado world like illegal Mary. Sheri's Leeann like Oak Bark and I'm surprised you're not more into it because you are very. You always brag about your refined defined Palette Brag about it which you jokingly true wine wine the why are are we talking about this your unrefined wine palate. Well I'll tell you because our guest today is an actress who is best known for a movie. He called sideways which is about the wine tastes textures winder. Yes it's about people that I can't really relate to But hope to one day EH. Our guest today's Virginia Mattson and Virginia was auster from them film sideways. which I just recently re watched? It's so good Alexander Payne made it But I recently re watched it and their love of wine. I think almost turned me off of wanting to be evatt into why. Oh yeah the way they talked about it and it's a comedy so I think part of that is on purpose to kind of make them seem a little extra tre but Virginia Madsen in it is so charming and likable And and real. There's something so authentic authentic German. I've always thought about her as an actress. She's always so even and she's in a lot of horror movies too and Which I love? She's an very popular byong-chol candyman or Candyman She also is Has a wonderful voice in fact voices so nice to listen to do that. She narrates a podcast. podcast on wondering double plugging Nice. Thanks imagined life. Yeah it's kind of like an auto. Oh biographical telling of an individual's life and throughout the episode. They drop little clues about who the person is and by the end. It's revealed if you have a game it's kind of a game but it's also you learned something about it's it's all written. Obviously so I think they take some liberties okay in terms of accuracy. So this show will be a little different for one thing. It's a live show and we recorded it at a Western hotel. V Westin Hotel in downtown Austin. Yeah we're right near Sixth Street. If you're overlooking six three belly of the beast yes in fact I when I first started going Austin. I remember like the mostly going to sixth street. That was like I was also in my early twenties. Mets were. That's where the kids go. I the my first time there was was for a movie called idiosyncrasy. Let's see I went down to do one day on this might judge movie idiosyncrasy and and I just immediately fell in love with the city so we were supposed to record this on the rooftop. Stop at the West end which is really beautiful. Beautiful views of Austin Like Justin set overlooking Sixth Street and it was hot. It was like ninety degrees so it's really nice being outside and the roof. Yeah Yeah but we realized that it's a podcast and people listen to it and it was pretty windy day so we unfortunately had to move it it into a nice big ballroom because again. That area of Austin is like it's such a party area and it's anyway Austin's grade So this this is it this is our this is our live. Show our interview with Oscar nominee. Do we'll talk about sideways. We'll talk about candyman in for the horror fans out there and we'll talk about Virginia's brother Michael Michael Madsen fans coming up next Interview with very talented in Virginia. Manson I in Sweden so when we did this episode we stayed at a Western. I had stayed there before but Christian. You hadn't right I actually. I stayed in one a few weeks earlier in four. That's right. That was my first experience this with their eat well menu and you had talked so glowingly about their wellman youth that I was very excited to give show well about one item in particular Sam. Ah Yeah we've all heard about the salmon on the well. I won't talk about it anymore even though I already have too much. I had a great omelet. And the portions. Are you know. Sometimes in hotels portions are either way too big or small. And it's kind of like stuff you don't really want yeah. The food is really delicious. And you get half portions which is nice and they're all hopefully it's true a really good Omelette is hard to come by. I think especially on for rooms as really well cooked cocktails really good too. That's right. Let Orange Margaritas those delicious. Really good we had a bunch On the rooftop and not a bunch. Those cocktails are all made from local ingredients. I guess from rapid at Weston. Their menu is crafted with nutritious fresh and responsibly sourced ingredients. That's the best way to source ingredients and every morning morning we're there we got these delicious juices because I've been traveling for a while at that point in I'm used to drinking this green juice in the morning and been doing it. For years and West offer the offer a lot of juices in smoothies from West and fresh by the juicery one of the Knights Justin was feeling a little naughty so he ordered the cookies and there were four cookies and they were like each one size of your face. Yeah as Christians said massive. We really enjoy the food. You guys should check it out sometime. EXPLORE MORE AT WESTON DOT COM member of mariot bond though again. Okay Cheers Virginia. I'm just GONNA paint a picture for our audience right now. We're in the Western hotel in Austin Texas assists. Hold hold for applause the heavenly bed. Yes you hear about hats actually true. Where did you hear about the? Haven't we both well. Because I've stayed in many west as you can imagine. I can traveling around and and the bed is actually heavenly so. I forgot to paint the picture. We're in a western. You guys all came this everyone. There are quite a few people here. There are at least four thousand people today. Yes we have about God I I would say we have about fifteen hundred easily and then quietly yeah. There's a very nice room and thank you guys. Thank you thank you for being here. This is new. We're in the we're in Austin which is also. I may be my favorite city. Have you seen. That wasn't for you guys. That was the true. I love the city so much I lived here for quite some time I had A. I had a how White House here I didn't. I didn't spend as much time as I would like. Do you have a history with Austin region. Well the first time I was here was probably nineteen eighty eight or something something like that. Sorry to interrupt there was just. Somebody left their phone on. There's I think that might have been even better. There's it's funny because you were trying to search urge for an answer just NYSC too if you can hear that you're trying to search for an answer. The first time I was here was and then at the Ding went off texting. And you said in nineteen eighty nine. It was a really perfectly timed. Yeah I think I was. I was doing a movie directed by Dennis Hopper. The hot the hot spot. Yeah Yeah and even if you haven't seen it clapped and I. I was very young and I was in this hotel where I could look out at that bridge and see all the bats. The bats were briefly for the listeners. There's a huge migration of bats they stand to the bridge during the millions. Like what is it. Does anybody knows two minutes. One point five one five. In the summer the warmer it gets to you heard too. We got a two over here and then I the next time I was back. DOC wasn't until last year for south by South West. Oh Wow because I film called one thousand nine hundred eighty five and and I was back here and everything. of course had changed remarkably but the flavor of the city and the feeling of the city was still the same Yeah and because I remembered it so well and when was that hot spot that was late early ninety you know it was. It was nineteen eighty eight. I don't I don't reduce hopper directed that what was that. Yeah what was that like. Oh it was so cool it you know he was because because he was cool and I mean that also temperature rise because we were filming. We were filming this like in July and and and and it was so extraordinarily hots and Dennis always wore. You're a beautiful suit. Hong every day to work the cowboy had no sorry he just was well Gr- but ver- a very well well-groomed demand. Yeah handsome man and very handsome and he would be in for some reason he he didn't sweat weird and I was just dying saying well. It is the hot spot so that's probably a good thing but it's that's why he wanted to be in July Austin Knight's know how INCR- I I mean there's no way to I'd like to heat. I don't like the cold I'm I'm from Chicago and I and I have a little post traumatic thing about cold so I like the the heat but this was a bit much. It was a bit much when you have to kind of look perfect and I was playing a fem tall so I have to have all this makeup and hair and eyelashes and type things and and you know you have to kind line of maintain that for twelve fifteen sixteen hours. Do you remember why you want it to be an actress. You remember that moment. Anything that's sparked it. It was never or a moment it was just always. I just wanted to make movies. I just loved the camera loved storytelling. Yeah also so I liked the male stars more. 'cause they got to do really cool shit. Yeah like I really liked lawn. Cheney Turk directors character Eric Directors. There was a show that came on at eleven thirty pm that was called creature features and my mother would let me stay up and watch it on on Friday nights. I would watch all the old monster movies. And I was fascinated by the makeup and very really fascinated by a Lighting in the original Frankenstein. Movie The lighting interesting. If you see the original Frankenstein it's it's really really. I can't figure out how they did that. That's beautiful and the where will and the mummy and you know those those actors really. I wanted to be them. Well you end up doing movie versions of those movies. I mean I think I would say candyman is as classic two two people now as perhaps those movies were candyman is I think it can live up to that. I think it doesn't and I know you go to this horror. You go to conventions and you meet the fans of yes so you must see firsthand. What kind of staying power that movie had candyman was movie that came out in one thousand nine hundred and it is still something that like people talk about people? No I met some people before this and I said Oh Virginia Madsen GonNa be on and they said Oh my God we love candyman. It's a movie. Does it surprise you that horror movies. Have that kind of staying power or that. Movie in particular cure has had such resonance with that. One doesn't surprise me that it's had staying power because I love making horror movies. I really do. Do I love this genre. But it's very hard to find a really good story and a really good script. Listen the slasher movies have their fan base. And you know that's cool but that's not for me but to have a story like this which is like about a legend in about a story you would tell around a campfire and I just loved this story and I loved that he was kind of like Dracula that ties me and it was. It was a romance. Yeah it was a really romantic store and quite groundbreaking for its romance at the time because it was nineteen ninety two and racial romance. Tony Todd was an African American. Actress still is an African American actor as far as I know But we thought I think we thought there was going to be a larger conversation when the movie came out Oak. We all of us. We meaning like the cast. The director and the Director Bernard Rose Rose Quite Barker Rhode Island uh-huh based on his short and we thought that there was going to be a lot of discussion about the racial aspects of the story. The interracial love story. Yes me being this white woman who goes into Cabrini-green Chicago Chicago and all of us thought this was going to be like a discussion. And we were all prepared. Hong have we wanted this discussion but everyone on just like the movies so much that they like. Nobody asked us. That's interesting really until now it's become in the last few years more of a discussion and I and I and I'm and I'm happy about that yet because at the for the for the time it was This is ninety nine hundred ninety two just yet. Nobody thought of it like nobody. Eighty brought up the fact that it was interesting love story. It's not just the romantic. I mean maybe Oh God I is. It's so romantic like we waltz and we've rise into the air and that's not that romantic not. Yeah that's true but I think because he was the he Tony Todd who played candyman. But he's not Freddie. I mean like he's really in love with that scene where you are covered in bees. There's a season candyman if you know the movie where both Tony One. That's not in there that I did tell really what's the scene that got caught and also. How did you do that with all those bees? He's sort of poor them all over tuning and like by hand because it wasn't CGI. Because I wasn't as good then now it it would all. I had to do this all and I'm allergic to things what they would have paramedics there when I was like and everyone would be behind like a like a net and I'd be like thanks guys that makes me. I'm not exaggerating for for people who haven't seen candyman. I mean I'm serious like I had to get tested at USC and and to their case covering your fence going up your near your nostrils your orifices. I noticed you weren't going your nose. Bees are known to go and noses. Well that's comforting a little little bit. I guess relatively did they did. was there a bee wrangler. who was like yes? Okay and they gave you the. Were you scared. How did you feel doing that? Well you know you learn a lot from the B. Wrangler before and also you if you're allergic to bees you already know a lot about them to stay away away from port on your face by been a GOB lease were babies there. They hadn't developed anger. You're not flinching at all in this seed. It's where you have to be very distinct me and listen. I never got stung but Tony. Todd got stung in sixteen seventeen. Are you serious. Because they would get stuck on his my coat and everything and he's got in his Cassini around with all my guy once the the take would be very short but then there was the b man who had this very gentle. We'll vacuum because he didn't want to kill any of the bees and so it took a really long time for him to vacuum all all the bees off you and it took so long. You're like Oh my God the cluster. Yeah like a little tiny kind of dustbuster thing and then the warmer you get the more they love on you and then you start to feel like they're biting me thirty overdue overdue and he's like just still. There's no way and it would take a really long on the scene that I told you about and I'm sorry I will end into the cut. The original ending of candyman goes into a wall and I am covered with three thousand bees. You originally found Helen in a hive. Own My with honey. And they put all that had in their man and then they just dumped them all in God's own my God and they collect that but they have could these be like the Queen Bee endorphins. All over you all so. You're fine. What do they won't send you because they're like you're queen? They think you're they they celebrate you. They're they're all Mike. Mike character is the queen. So Yeah Mike you do that Shit. When you're young and yes and I I had completely giant thing of three thousand bees Oliver? Aw Cut that. Wow that's fucking. Aw and today was that ending. The ending now is in the change the Reshad reshoot to be more of a bang. It's weird because because it's not as the thing you remember. Candyman is the bee's like that's the thing that separates he was the character. Tony Todd character dies from being consumed by bees. They spread honey liane spoiler alert. But what a shame and I wonder if you can find that on the candyman for the candy nerds out there if you could find that on some hidden thing. What did he Jordan Peele? Yeah okay so what. We don't know if we can talk about this. We can't we can cut it off. He will though there told them about it. Even exists anywhere anywhere. So we'll Jordan Peele is is doing. I don't know if we can say this. We're GONNA say the they're remaking and we can and he he and his writing partner partner. They're doing another one. And it's not a remake now every make yeah and can we say anything else about. I'm involved cool. Okay every make all right. Not a remake that will excite. ENSO's Tony Todd. That's awesome but you also so you've done the spectrum. Some early moves you did. I didn't know you were in Zomba high which is a movie. that as I was watching it I watched your groaning. She's crony she put her head. There's that Emoji. I'm seeing that that was in one thousand nine hundred seven we should so you must have been one of your first jobs. Actually no wait. I'm sorry your first job was class right now. I was but it was on Behi- Kayo is like really broke have to justify it. I think I am justifying it. I am justify it and I had a friend of mine who wanted to produce this. And he said the can't pay you but this is a student film for USC. No and I was like wow. Who'll and this was after I'd made me I'd made seven or eight movies? God and I was really struggling. Virginia what how. How does that happen? I mean how. How do you make not that you make tons of because you don't always make a lot of money on movies you make? Everyone thinks you're are you know making. That's Jennifer Lawrence paycheck. But no you're usually making scale and because most of the work that I did it was independent films and so after a while man. You're getting low. Were you doing other jobs during these movies were you news subsidizing you know. Maybe I should have known. Hindsight is twenty twenty. That was that was. It's like an interesting opportunity to work with students at USC and then they brought it out as a feature film which was like odd awed really. Well it's on. I don't want to encourage people to see if you're in but this is the Martin funny now it's funny camp it's camp and and this is the mark of a really great actress is when you can be good in something bad and you're good. You're always good your believable in this thing. It's easy to be good in bad. No Cake Virginia. That's totally disagree. I think when you don't or you're not supported by a script in the day you have all these things working against to overcome that. I think whatever you don't you're not compliment you again but but I think I think that's true and I was watching. I was like there's a guy you know. There's always that stock character in those in the eighties movies which I love. who was a nerd? It was just like dot nerd. And he's he's got like glasses and I'm hanging me can't talk this and he stumbles over everything and I know this guy. Yeah guess who use. I don't know why. Why making you guys? Who's going to say it's GONNA build it up too much? Paul fig who went onto become maybe the biggest is comedy director of all time. But I'm watching this. I'm like I know who is so Paul Fig was I didn't even know there is there's so many wonderful students that were at that time. They were so amazed that I was a student. Yeah all my were. So they were so amazed that I was this big Hollywood actress recruits to and I was making their student. Fill your now. They're like writers producers and I thought it would be cool to do the next work with the new generation of filmmakers. And there's I think eight or nine of them that are like like really big names haven't hired me yet but I do Sometimes I'd like to give myself in excuse to not go to the gym when I'm traveling by not packing in my shoes and Trent gym class especially when I like to travel really light especially if you don't want to pack a bag you know how much I hate checking back. Yeah you sure do. But you don't have to due at Western which is a nice thing. All the West locations offer on demand workout gear like running shoes active. Wear so you have no hack your himself. You don't have an excuse. Plus you get twenty four seven access to Western workout fitness studios they're all fully stocked with TRX equipment. Here's another thing you you could do and should do you can set up a guided run the run concierge. If you like some company and someone to motivate you a little bit and or you can do it solo if you don't want to run concierge and they'll give you a run west and map and it features a bunch of different three to five mile running routes around the hotel. I saw a lot of people people such great trails to run in Austin. So if you do stay at this particular hotel that's WanNa tits very cool option. So the people who aren't lazy like us. Yeah what's their whole goal is new sole purpose for being so check it out at Weston dot COM member of Mariot. One voice. Never never meet again. You have two siblings sherline. Mike how did you fit in growing up. You grew up in Chicago. Michael People Know Michael Madsen. Is your brothers. Also a Very well known actor did he always WanNa be enacted. You guys grow up kind of doing stuff together as actors. How did that work? I think we were you know. Our whole family was kind of performers. My sister didn't want to pursue it although she was. I watched her in musicals michaels and my sister studied and looked up to her. Yeah but she really you know we we had our dreams and my sister always wanted to get married and raise kids like honestly that's what she wanted to do and she did and she raised three amazing now adults l.. Well yeah then your clothes still. Yes Oh good and Michael. You're you're a close with well I wanted to go into it and but where we grew up and my father was a fireman that Oh guys didn't do that he had to be fireman fireman or a policeman really was so was your dad. Like real like all American kind of traditional man. Okay and I think he worried about us with our hobby. Sure Yeah Oh my God I mean my parents. This were supportive to an extent but my mom who is an actress was by far the less supportive deteriorate because she knew really worry about. Oh Yeah you can imagine if I mean. My mother was a writer so that was different like she could see that we should do this but my father being a fireman was like like a Chicago. Fairmont practical yeah I mean you know. What are you doing like kids? Don't go up you know. Go make movies. I think he thought I would outgrow it and Mary doctors and what was the moment that he realized. Oh she's now she's doing this. This is good. She's making money. I don't know if he ever he was very it was Kinda. Yeah Yeah you got to move it. You're doing doing with David Lynch go. He would. He would send my brother Applications for a forest ranger or a UH paramedics in Los Angeles and he was doing movies while. Yeah Oh my dog. Yeah like this is where are you can go study to be a nurse. Who said you were so good with that straight razor? I thought maybe got a barber school. Honestly I think he just thought this was such a struggle and a man like him didn't understand that you could be unemployed interesting. My father died a couple of years ago. uh-huh and and he you know He. Oh it was so hard for him he was so oh ill and so I was there with him one day and any it was kind of giving me this really long long emotional look and my father was not now wordly emotional man and I was like Oh dad holding his hands I was dad. What is is it? Can you talk to me. And he said how the hell can you live like that live. Still and I was like Dad. I have a pension. Okay nominated for an Oscar done. It's kind of like he just rejected it. You know but but but I will say Oh my God well still worried about me but he will. I will say that. My father was deeply proud of me and his children and said it. A lot of screw is very very proud of you. Just didn't understand probably in his day that I never saw right yeah. It's a legitimate fear because the reality of being an actress. There's nothing is set unless you're on the Big Bang theory like there's no you know you don't know and so many times I worked for scale Ale but you know independent films. That are very creatively exciting. Satisfying you're working him with very young filmmakers. Those are the best scripts totally those are. The best role was sideways like that. Would you say no. I got paid better for that. Yeah that was the best of both worlds. I couldn't believe that I could get paid for sideways and it was so good. It's so in the script muscle. He's such a great right. Alexander Payne wrote directed and he had already done election. I mean so he had an citizen route. So what was that like. How did that come from about getting that movie? That was even a really tough audition to get. Everyone wanted that audition. We can imagine. Imagine the people that wanted to be in his next film and so everyone was trying to get in the door and I had an agent who just talked to him and I don't know why he because you're perfect you're right I mean that's why he was in a position where yeah he couldn't make he could cast people based on who was well not at first not me. He said that he saw something in my photograph. Who In my head shot? And he said this looks like someone who's been through a lot and I was like how did you take that. How do you listen assist? I didn't hear this. I thought this was a very beautiful photograph so I got one of. I was one of the few people who got in the door. Not Very many people did after my audition a lot of time went by because the powers that be at that time didn't want me. So were you during that time during that waiting period. Did you think Oh this is not going to happen. It's amazing that I got the audition but yeah I thought this is one of these things. I'M NOT GONNA get yeah. It's still stunning to me. That at that time considering the body of worked you had it would have been struggling time. I mean I hadn't. I barely worked for ten years. It was a very intense ten struggle. During that time I was a single mother. I had a house and I had no income while and it went on for a a lot longer than I thought. Independent movies you're just not making any money rose and so I was still doing those. But I wasn't making enough to support the household so when Alan Center pain looked at that photo of you. Perhaps he was correct and seeing some struggler struggler that you go through something so what was sideways like knowing that it was yours than how. What was the process like? We're tonight because is your so good that moves in. That movie was mine before it was mine. Before I went into that room to audition I was like in a really good space in my life. Oh right had been strangely become athletic and I had way. How does that way the kid go through puberty? It was like you. I think he was by this time. He was seven or eight years old. And I I was teaching at his school and I started doing everything. Nice started really physically taking care of myself. Interesting and sort sort of everything was coming together. Yeah well so. When I got that audition I was like well? That character isn't physically together but anyway I felt that this part is mine until they tell me it's not in. What was it about the part that you so identified with you so felt a sense of propriety about i? I used to go up to that area in Santana's all the time I mean I had friends there and I knew what it was like because they call it the valley. You liked one. No I actually a lot of wind really there. You just knew the long climb trees and I went hiking and and I I just loved that place on Earth. It was a sanctuary for me so I knew how Maya would feel you feel connected to that place. Yeah and I a new that when I read this it sounded the way I speak when you got it was. It's a sense of. Was it like a celebration or was a sense of yeah you got to write broke down and bald like a baby. Oh Good Oh. That's well because finally I had a quote real movie you know like I add this director that I so respected and I had Paul Giamati was like the actors actor but it took me three months. It's too I heard that I got it and I just kept saying. Please just put me in a room with Paul or you know they. They were like all. We don't know if this is and I said I know I'm GonNa have chemistry with that man. Just put me in a room and you can see it because I know that man is dreamy. Aw just put me in a room with felt that way you streaming. Here's the first week okay. Okay everyone's morning. Paul Morning Shooting Burning Paul by the third week. It's like hey can. Can I get some coffee. I'm telling you this is the reaction so he loves coffee now so he grows he gets. He has this magnetic charm. And is that until you I'm not by the way it came from somewhere in the movie right. I believe I can see him being not up and telling you right right but see now that makes a little bit more sent. This is no knock on Paul and I know Paul and you'd probably say oh. Yeah what is she talking about. People don't look at me and think that I would say well L. but that doesn't make an but but it happened so you knew before that based on something I just want to get in a room with him let he's show. You wouldn't let me but then I finally got. Maybe they thought you'd have too much chemistry. They were so I would it really maybe keep away from me This is going to change the course of my life. You but you also do you talk about out Knowing that type of person someone who lived in that region who had Who assimilated to that culture up there and you have this incredible the voice? I don't know how to say this without weird. It's like syrupy voice. mullets does that make sense. Is that a and it lends itself so well to the podcast world old as mine. I know well when I was little I sounded. I always had a very low voice of dude you so when and I could pretend to be my mother and call in sick from school. Did you really totally all right. Let's do a show at work. Let's do through a phone call. Your this is going to be tough because you're little you and I'm the principles the principles name who've car. Oh Hi can I talk to principal. Justin please one moment please. This is Roseanne. John Hall Shangqiu. I wish Jesse Eighties gators Jay's yes he was yes this is principle Johnson who who am I speaking junior high principal. Justin this is Elaine Madson and elaine wonderful to hear from you. I noticed you didn't go to the last parent teacher conference. I was missing. Oh you didn't see me there. I was anyway. Listen listen. Virginia has just come down with terrible fever. We're actually on our way to the doctor right now. So she's going to be need to need to be excused for today to learn anything. You need any sort of moral support. I could do as principal with powers. Oh can I ask you something some kind of flu going around school because seems to me that a lot of children are getting sick. Maybe they need to wash their hands. More I'm going to make a note of this wonderful idea. In fact I would love to have to talk to the local paper about that anyway. Yeah there's no need for that person we've gotta go hang alone. Get Elaine imagine back in the phone. That was very good. Wow and what did what did your did. You're terrible. I did it a lot. You're talking to my class. Superlative was most likely not to be seen in class. That's what I got and most of it was based on in my parents are listening coming and I have to just accept. They have to get sick a lot but also we had bill collectors and I could also pretend to be her to get them off. Yeah so collect so now. Elaine must have found out about this did she. Did she ever find out about this later. But I'm dying to see this documentary you made with your mom called. I know a woman like that by the way. It looks like this movie. Looks like exactly what we'd like to explore on the show. Oh what it means to be over sixty old. Yeah it's just that I can't say the word it is like because the tabby were. This is a a discussion that we have that is not a discussion that is in the media about what being what it is to be old what that means to women and men mother as the director would interview people and say what is old old to you and our women are sixty five to ninety five Earth Kit Lauren. Hutton a really Umbria Marino Marino. Yeah and most of them are not celebrities most of that but we have writers and artists and we have just yeah and so so. It's sort of like looking at their lives and finding out that the through line of these women in the upper decades of their lives lives are curious also there most of them having sacks well that that yes and are proud of the level of sex. They're having it seemed like well. Because there's more intimacy when we're young people. Everyone's all freaked out about how they look and the terminal lights out. They're like I'm sad and fan you know and it's the visual is removed us. It's about the intimacy you know one of the most sex. I was surprised prized at that part. I was like mom. Oh Oh you hadn't heard her speak that way. I mean. I knew that my mom was getting laid a lot at least three times at that time. Well because she had boyfriends now she's married and has the you know has only taken one lover well and indeed a lover good for her name and Yeah I mean Elaine has always always been like that and so I realized that I was not living that way even though you saw her living that it was because your parents got divorced when you were young and after the divorce well listen at that time you know in the seventies like nobody knew how to be divorced like nobody knew you had to be divorced with children so if you had a girlfriend boyfriend lover. They didn't meet the kids. I mean so you never so you never witnessed any of that. Thank you know because that was just not what you did. I appreciate you not laughing when I said Hanky Panky. I don't know why use that kind liked using. Does anybody say that anymore. Not Forty Year Olds hanky-panky this an adult taping of this subject. Well this is something I want to ask you because on the description of your podcast and and you've mentioned it before you you said I'm forty one and now that I'm older well I don't really go out anymore. I don't really and listen. I understand like I'm not about to go to a rave save. You know but like I'm curious why you think that you're older. What's a time issue? I would say more time has gone on and and also life life is short like listen. We've been talking about the Fabulous Elaine. Madsen she's eighty five. I I know and this is what I appreciate about the even the teaser that I saw for the even the the brief scenes that I saw I think it might be a lane. Who says that word all? I don't feel I don't feel old. I love that because it's interesting. You're saying it's not because I've been thinking about this quite a lot in the last day. Where the hotel room? I have is overlooking overlooking Sixth Street Street in Austin which people from Austin people who've been Dawson. No that sixth street is like Monday. Bars are Barbara. Yeah it's like Bourbon totally totally and I and I was thinking about the Times that I used to have in those in those bars and light. You didn't do that for very many years. No but there comes a certain reality see. It's not a psychological thing in the sense that well no I feel like with you. It is perhaps maybe maybe. Do you feel bad that you're not going out to these that I'm not lying. I just wonder if you feel like because you specifically say you feel older. Listen here's another other Elaine Madison. I've said this a lot of times in your forties your free and in your fifties you fly and you're not even done with your forties. You just barely began. Well you're assuming you're at forties feeling older is necessarily a bad thing to me. I thought you thought it was. Thank you element of tragedy. Only because only see well. It's not bad but there's an element of tragedy. See I stand well only because I so love life and I so much love doing things experiencing the world that I I know and and I know they talked about this in the movie that every day they spin it in a very positive way which is what attracted me to wanting to see the movie. Now there's a sense that that life is becoming richer. The older you get the. Why do feel wiser? I feel I feel a lot of good things I do feel me too. It's so is so much better. So what inspired you to make that movie. Then why mother and what about her with the how independent she was. She was living her life. If you admired it you wanted to capture because my mother was so inspiring to me and she would sometimes come to visit me almost almost every time we made a movie and my mother would just arrive you. I want to point out the Virginia put up her hand. Fluid had this kind of like grandiose Shawmut Schormann Desmond and she was a filmmaker and a writer and she would just you know five minutes later she'd be talking to the DP so you're the grip and she would just be his. Yeah just just very very outgoing. Like what makes her. We're so confident. And so years later I was like mom I wanNA know. What makes you a woman like that? Why were you never afraid of aging rally? I WanNa know how you do I would want to. Yeah I said. Let's make a documentary and you'll directed. Did she won an Emmy for directing documentary. I said so. You directed and she. I don't have time to do that. Who should so much to do? Yes yeah too much gotcha. So eventually she got around to it and we decided to do this and you got you had access to all these people like Earth a kit more not in these these well no we. We started to try and find people and got a phone number for Rita Moreno and she took my phone call and said Oh yes and once I had her. We had a lot of people that signed on because of her. That's great and where can people find that movie just left net flicks and now it's on Hulu and I tunes okay. Hulu I tunes I I want I need to see it. I think because I'm just slow. There's a lot of the men in this movie to watch in action. Drink Sweetheart Justin I recently gently took a road trip and along the way we made various stops. We couldn't always find a Westin Hotel to stop at to sleep and UNFORTU- so you know that feeling that feeling feeling when you stay in a hotel and the bed you just feel like you're lying on springs with a sheet over it like overly springy soft bed picture. The opposite that bad now and that was that sound West had sounds like it'd be heavenly. That's what it's called. You're not just using that word now. I was yeah it was a divine unusually. You just use that word for like mint. juleps caviar but these beds are so comfortable that I think they observed that were it applies. It is a heavenly bed. You're right a heck of a night's sleep on that West in bed if you want to really get the most out of a day you want a good night's sleep before sometimes i. I need a little bit more than a comfortable bed. A little extra a little extra. And what do you do when you need that. And this is really embarrassing to save. And I'm sure they don't have anything like this but I'm saying minute Milo for its lavender. Your bomb okay and it just helps me ease tension in its helps soothe me to sleep but I doubt they have anything like that. They're not only lavender bomb why they have sleep. Well lavender bomb. It's a mixture of lavender and camomile. It's right next to the bed. You didn't see no. Oh you missed it. Every room has see. Fortunately those beds were so comfortable. I didn't need to soothe attention. It's there if you want it and I know you're someone who likes to eat right before you go to bed. I shouldn't. It's nine over you do and at Western you can order off the sleep well menu which is a whole set of curated in room dining options packed with sleep enhancing ingredients or you can get four massive chocolate chip cookies. That's what I did before. He was sleep well. And you know but it's an option so to learn more go to western dot com a member of mariot envoy away from meet again. What's the next they what what are you? What are you doing next? What are you working on now? Besides wine polishing that Kinda warm. Oh the gentleman. A handsome gentlemen just just popped up whose face. You're caressing. Wait a minute something very handsome. A handsome mantras popped up with on cue with a glass of I'm presuming Cooler Iceland. That bottle is empty now. I don't know it seemed like it was full as has as reported into Virginia's glass. newcrest this face and I'm guessing this gentleman. I hope you know him. Well I hope to get to know him. Oh Ah oh I'm just kidding okay. That's my fellow okay. That's so nice that it was a nice moment to witness. No I'm hustling hustling. Yeah in this so no I don't mean mostly that's how we're going to cut it. I've got a net flicks. Movie called the operation. Christmas drop but I filmed an air base on Guam. No kidding so bizarre wall with because it's a true story where they they've been doing this. Since I think seventy eight around Christmas time they by parachute they drop all these supplies for all the people that live on those little islands. Oh cool and school supplies clothing. Water food supplies. They they day these of sideways yes essentials. I made sure that took and I'm a very strict congresswoman. Oh yeah and I want to shut this whole thing down. What's costing Americans are paying for this and I don't like it? What a great performance? Just that little snippet hooked and then of course so I guess I'm sorta the scrooge like playing that you you went from playing. Yes Yeah I bet that's fun. I like being the formidable woman and like being unpleasant. What is your most commonly used Emoji? I don't use those. I have a bit Moji because my mother got a bit. He will coach and she's eighty five and I was like all right if you get one mom. I'll get a bit but no I. Oh you don't I like to write. I would rather tell someone I'm old timey that you would want to say like I feel like poop rather than just inputting a poop emojis I would say licenses. You made me feel like Shit. Okay Yeah I would say that I would say damn it that made let me feel a cute. I wouldn't use the POOP EMOJI. I drank it. Lessens the cheapens. The cheapens the Jewish. Although I have to say the person yeah. My brother sends emojis and if Michael L. K.. Then if he's if you think of Michael Michael Michael Madsen Sends emojis. Oh jeez awesome prayer hands hard spinal phase tears like he's proficient like he'll send seven or eight in a row so they're not all like knives and no not the emotional one and I'm like well and and I and I'm like I can't send that well you know it's interesting about that is the way like he's the toughest guy in the world. Well he writes poetry two. I know well you're right and I rather he sent me of poetic line. Then a cry face Emoji. Maybe that to him maybe his poetry at the time I just not use them okay but but he found out about this he'd punch you in the face. Oh I think you know. Of course I had an encounter with a horse. Now I did have an encounter with Michael that I it's too long to talk about now. got potentially punt face punch. He doesn't punch free. No no no didn't thankfully but it was headed in that direction. If you could be a professional athlete what sport would you play somewhere soccer. I've never been able to run like that. Oh well that's okay but I'm I unite loves soccer and I love gymnastics and so when you said you became athletic all of a sudden At some point in your life what I did a lot of hiking and I did did occur and then yoga was thing that captured me an hot yoga suffering. Yes you want to pass out during the Yes. Aw you'll love it. It's horrifying do neck. You do it now a okay. Well that helps that helps do you. Well you've I don't know how to say this without sounding weird but you're in great shape your I'll just say it's it's a fact you weren't because of that okay because you don't hurt myself yoga like I would in a gym okay. Good Baker this score one for Bickham Yoga. I don't tell me more. Oh sorry take that back just score one for regular temperature I know I do. I do hot yoga and I do Regular either because I got high yoga. It was no one's too hot and also I don't like that practice practice at one hundred five degrees reminds you the candyman days. Yeah it's not. No I do beak Rem I don't do big run but I do yoga and a warm room. Okay and earn sensible temperature yoga. I don't know what to call it if you had to live somewhere else outside of Al You live in La now if you had to live somewhere else where would it be Italy okay. Yeah you've been many times okay got. I've never been I know I know I just when I'm there. I'm sort of like. Why am I here in Los Angeles? Yeah what's your favorite movie. Three of all time sunset boulevard. Weird I just I mentioned Norma Desmond earlier What a great movie? I love that because it was in black and white and didn't need to be. I also met huge fan of Glare Swanson. Her voice. Yes yeah and she had this control kroll over her voice even though she started in silent films she's Made William Holden into the Gigolo and he's having he's having an affair with a young writer at the studio in so norma calls and she goes. Hello so is this Miss Betty Schaefer. This is Betty Schaefer her. Who's this do you now? Show what do you mean Joe. Say as it do. They'll wear he lives. Wow do you know how he. That's amazing control. And then he comes in and grabs. The phone is like yes. Come over and see. I'm Gigolo Komo. Don't take this the wrong way. But I don't know how to say this. I hope this is inherently insulting. But you should play that part. They should do that no they should never redo that movie. Well maybe version of that. What a great but I loved the way in those movies the way they used? I used their vocal skills. And the lighting in that movie. Nobody says say so. I know it's true if you'd have dinner with three people dead or alive whom you've never met. Bette Davis carry it. been and Stephen Hawking. Wow It's a hell of a dinner and they all have they all have fortitude yes. They're all three incredible survivors Um Yeah and I don't know enough about Harriet Tubman. I want to know how she did that. And Stephen Hawking. I would like to just talk about like secrets of the universe. Because I'm a huge. You know I love astronomy and not very curious person. I know your mom is and and you had that impetus to make the movie about your mom. I think you were compelled by the same thing that you would be. That's why that dinner would be so interesting. Who's your favorite okay? This is an issue because our the sesame street s part of the muppet virgin liberated ver- grover grover grover was the bath. What about grover? Why because he was teachers had so much fun? That's all he wanted to do was have fun in his arms and suddenly elmo comes in like the new shiny bright thing again. Yeah really we know in your own. Listen I was so into sesame street growing up as a kid so I it was like really trying to get my kid into it and he was like why are we watching puppets. No he just breaking is the and I was like. Don't you you like Elmo. Don't don't you like grover. Grover was suddenly just not on very much. I know I know it's like as if there was a new character on friends and sudden Marie Rachel was just guest star. I thought yeah anyway If you have one superpower what would it be. I could fly if you have to be one age for the rest of your life if you could stick to one eight if the FDA fifty yeah yeah great. That's comforting exciting. Yeah I I really. I mean I'm over fifty now but like fifty. Yeah Yeah it's really nice. Nice time for me if you could be reincarnated as a non human animal. What would it be? I guess I would be a Yeti. No I think it'd be a dolphin. Oh Shiny I just think they have an excellent life. Beatles stones stones. Yeah but listen. I love the beach but you have a heart. Teach you read Keith. Richards Book. No Oh you must. It's it's more about music and Blues Senate is about like trash talking. Put the trash talking a little bit old or that he could but I. I didn't understand the stones when I was growing up. I really didn't either. I've appreciated the more. The man I saw them in concert now is like Yeah cool how'd you feel about the beyond. Do you think about the next part of life. And how do you feel about what happens next. I don't I don't know I think about it differently than I did. When I was in my twenties and I was meditating and having crystals and getting going to someone who is channeling spirits and that kind of stuff? Oh Yeah you have to get there to when it's the end to when you really know what you're talking about a reality that you're facing yes and yes. I think there is something beyond here. Of course the older you get the more you think about it. And I don't know what I think about. Yeah that's okay. Yeah do you think about legacy. Do you think about how people might remember you after. You're gone now. Yeah I mean if they do I mean I think if I had people who loved me that remembered me then and if I left good legacy for my son if he remembered his mom and a good way that would be that would be the most important thing for me. Yeah that's nice. Thank you for doing this. Thanks for becoming guys around a long time thank you thanks. Everyone who stuck around certain people live. This is a real thrill I appreciate. We should be open and sitting down and doing this. Thank you so just happened. That happened in real life in reality it happened a couple of days ago. Yes what were your first thoughts. Well you mentioned this little bit in the beginning but her voice you call her voice. Syrupy is that and I was wondering it sounds too gross to compliment but I think it's a perfect word for voice. She is amazing voice she does. I know it's a little Katherine Hepburn right or little when she was doing Elaine the graduate bancroft totally Ellen. Barkin can had had a great great voice. Yeah it's wonder why my ass clear my voice taking of good voice. I wonder why that is a is this gonna be too much of a tangent. Why is that voice considered sexual actual sexual or sexy SEC? what's the difference Sexual in- sexier different. I think sexy wise against it. You're right why is it considered sexy in fact we didn't get into that if you know It's considered sexy If I guess I would guess there is an element of danger to them and mystery to to that voice and they smoked cigarettes and they were Katherine Hepburn. They're kind of It adds a level of mystery and intrigue thank you same reason that I think a male a deep male voice is more a learning than a very high pitched voice. I think high voices in general. You kind of lose something about The it's not as deep depth. What Johnny depth I think is sexy and and that's why a lot of like Now you know what sexy johnny depth. I'm glad you finally admitted had to Not really living in Austin 'cause we may have made fun of you for so many years about whenever you meet someone. You're always so proud because Justin did have a property in Austin for a number of years but he was so eager always to say. I live in Austin part time. He loved telling people really. He came like twice voice a year for like a weekend at a time but in this interview finally admitted you're like I don't I don't really. That's really identifying. Find Yourself as Nice. I know because I like it. I like it I like the people and I like I kind of aspire to be that type of person. I was hoping She she told told a story about working with Dennis Hopper. Dennis Hopper movie and I I was so I thought I thought it was going to be. She was like yeah. Our here here comes at you. Yeah he was really well dressed. Well groomed like what I know. That was so disappointed. Also because I just seen apocalypse now at At the arclight they did like the final cut final version of pipes down and Copeland Ed Martin Sheen and bunch the cast from the movie. Were there Obviously Dennis Hopper was not but re watching that movie and seeing. How insanely in league? Good an insanely good does however was I mean he was obviously like real and he's such a good actor but he seemed like he was And the on something like kind of like losing his mind and of course. That's the party's playing too. But there are all these stories about Dennis Hopper in in that movie that Ed are so fun to see like he had taken all these. I mean he was on drugs. I know like there's so many stories. He's like. He's notorious legend. Yeah Yeah breast. He's cool. I didn't know that I mean I didn't know that I remember seeing the trailer for that movie when I was a kid and thinking Obviously movie I can see because it was like think R. rated for sexy time for sexy times actual time sexual times She talks about her upbringing and and her father being a very traditional mold. School Man Mega Man's man and that made perfect sense to me. That Michael Madsen's father is that kind of his dad. His is that you know traditional. Oh yeah does that make sense totally you talk about this a little bit in the interview but I think it bears repeating feeling that he is a poet as most people know him as an actor. He's in classic Tarantino Movies but yeah maybe even a greater side of his personality analogy I think is His Poetry There's Robert Frost. There's Walt Whitman and there's Michael Madsen and I can just read an excerpt from One of his poems right now One of my favorite ones is called. It's called hammerhead man. I think the hammerhead sharks the most bizarre looking creature ever seen. What is the deal with that head? That was from hammerhead by Michael Madsen. Several should go Joe Find the full poem but he has Collected works you can get on Amazon and Check them out highly. Recommend yes so that came up and A big surprise there was that Michael Matteson who we all know. And if you don't know him he was in. He played Mr Blonde in reservoir dogs He was the father and Free Willie. he plays a lot of kind of he's like Robert Mitchum. He's goes anyone's ever put those two performance to perform right next to each other. Well they're two of the biggest and and you know I. I think that he's done. I think two of his biggest movies and then of course I mean Tarantino really resurrected him with kill bill but he was supposed to play Travolta's role in pulp fiction and and Instead he did Wyatt URP in so Tarintino. Michael Madsen didn't speak for a little awhile. And this is all well known. Hollywood Lore David for the Michael. Yeah but he The it was surprising to learn that he used quite a few emojis. That was funny when you said Naif cigarettes. No no prayer Harrisburg heart. He's like yeah. Yeah it's funny to picture sure. I wouldn't have thought that whereas Virginia shunned emojis. Refuse to your genius. Seemed like she was very ready to answer some of those short questions and I think we were very flatter because she When we met her she was very sweet very Very complimentary country She's she's a listener of life is short so I think she had Some of those answers and she had thought about in the chamber. I think she's ready to go. Some of the answers which is nice very it means. She has thought them through. And she's you know she I'll bet she does not like emojis. This is sad but have you noticed that the older the more time that you've had emojis in your life the more you're using them. Yes I've noticed that about myself and I don't like this is even worse. I'll take it a step further. I've noticed I mentioned this in the interview. I mentioned I I noticed that I think in emojis now I- emojis come to mind when people have physical reactions like when Virginia when I mentioned psalm behind she grown Ronin put her hand I thought. Oh that's like data. I'm sure that's very common though. It's like a return to hieroglyphics. How is this GonNa tape drawings yeah it is regressing? There's something nice about. I mean to play devil's advocate. There is something nice about that being a universal language because thing what all the languages that verbal languages that exist and it started separate people yeah and it's really hard to connect with people because you speak different language but everyone speaks. The language of slapping topic is true. Your Oh yeah. In fact one of my favorite things to do. Every year I go I go down to Nicaragua and Work with the home. Mm for kids. And it's so frustrating to not be able to communicate with these kids so the only thing I can really do is use body language and my face face and stuff and it's a fun challenge but but it works. I mean if you can commit to her. Yeah so maybe that's yeah at one point she calls you out for being old or feeling all. She's she's like you know. I have a bone to pick it up again. Which told me that she doesn't listen to the show? Because you do reference be getting older being forty now in real life you mentioned thoroughly off forty. Now that's true. It is coming up a lot in it. I something I I guess I struggle with A. It's a it's a struggle like insurmountable surmountable struggle but see. I think she has a point. It shouldn't really matter that you have this number if you want to go out to a bar on Sixth Street Australian. That number shouldn't prevent you from doing so but I also think you have a point in that just physically alone. I know the thought of dealing with it because when you do go out and you do more quote unquote younger person things. It's just not as appealing so and you tried to make at this point which I agreed with is that it's not necessarily a bad thing to be aware of your age because getting older is a really good thing in that. Ah you learn lessons. And you're wiser and maybe your joints hurt more but in your hangovers or worse. But it's kind of good to have that perspective. I think so so too. I think the trade off is a positive one but the fact that my body just can't handle alcohol the way it used to. It's good I don't need to the idea of going out. The way I used to is not appealing to me anymore because that if for no other reason the next day is kinda wasted a lot of wasting a whole day knowing how precious days are is is really depressing to me. The night of just a few nights ago tonight of this interview Justin an I o right we we are in the in in the Westin. The hotel still and the sixth str- like we said it was. It was right around the corner. So we're just out of curiosity. Let's go out there and and see if let's check it out check it out. We could see like you know when you're looking at that from twenty F- twenty floors up and you see people are kind of little dots and they're all these bars. There's something inviting about still to me. I have that in me. I want to jump in there and she had also Virginia had just recently said Oh come on age doesn't matter and she and she did make a really good case. I swore she did not getting hung up on age so I think we were a little inspired by that and we went out there and it was like a Zombie movie. First of all everyone ruin was college age and I can't drunk think oh there were fistfights all around us. It was scary. We were legitimately. He's gotta get back in West and it was like well. Yeah it was like being on a drunken rankin Zombie Safari where we like. I had my hand and we were just Kinda like we must have looked so out of place. We must have looked like we were watching. Zombie Movie Vigna At one point or her speaking of age just being a number Virginia had Her lover her boyfriend was out. The show A young man named Nick and at one point in the interview he dutifully and and chivalrously I would say yes. scampered up onto the stage to refill Weissglas. Very nice move. Yes she had said something like well. My wine is has grown warm or something. That's that's my Virginia. Madsen said when my wine is a bit warm now just without missing a beat Got Up and refreshed her glass. I was thrown by it like ooh. I just thought it was like an audience. Member being nice and maybe borderline inappropriate like by refreshing. This guess why. And then she caressed his face with the back of her hand like very sensually at one point within the span of two minutes you spoil the endings of candyman and jeepers creepers and you. You have to get better at your spoiler alerts you very often. You'll you'll spoil something and then after you spoil you'll say kind of under your breath spoiler alert. It is an alert. Yeah that's yeah that's like a fire alarm that after like the houses and rebels. Yeah but you know I will say I disagree with you on that a little bit because I don't think it's spoiler alert is necessary for movie that's over. Let's say ten years old why well I've never listen. Candyman doesn't just because I haven't got around to you that's true. Well see at this point. If you haven't there's you must not have much of a desire to so yeah it's been out for twenty five. I disagree back because I think people through phases where it's like I'm getting into a certain genre honor of movie and Oh Yeah I've always heard of candyman. I WANNA see it. Yeah but I've never I. I'm lettuce true to your point I've been been on uh-huh it's a really embarrassing sentence but I have and But if you were to for example like to your point if you were to spoil the ending of entourage even I'd be pissed here. kind of no drama gets Joe read. That's not why I watch hundred. It's not like breaking bad. We're like it's building this thing. Exactly but the end of jeepers creepers spoiler alert pause. Pause when you lose. Your eyes is Auden's yeah spoiler. I said Yeah that is. You're watching this whole movie. I and is building something and you know. The first time I saw. That movie was with mom to a theater in bridgeport which is still there and It was packed and there were three larger women in front of us and they were furious with my character because my character does spoiler my character does dumb things like we gotta go back and investigate that thing. We saw that shady character and at the ended the movie as they were getting up and my my I'm dead in the movie and my is around. Mom was crying and the three ladies in front of us as they're getting up. I'm I'm glad he died. And there were like Sela mom I remember. She started like I could see her start to get up to say something like she was defending her son and I just I held onto her arm and I was like and I had my hat down over my vice much over my face as we got. I said mom just let it goes on it. Yeah I wonder if Virginia Madsen had a similar. I'm sure the lane. Finally I think my favorite part of the whole interview slots choose from but I think my favorite part was was of all forty two minutes when she said my favorite pros when she said you know I love astronomy. And you've said I didn't know that you knew that. She likes to Straw now. I don't know that made me laugh so hard you know I like well. had she already said that. She was into crystals sales and stuff when she was younger. Yeah but that's not astronomy. I know but like new agey kind of Russian spiritual my favorite moment of the show. I don't think we can use use it because it it won't make sense to people but maybe we can try to describe it. There was at one point. I forget what had been said but somebody very like engaged. Audience member very vocal audience member when he was like he started wagging his finger back and forth like shaking his head shaking his head. Like a known what I I heard when I saw this was no no no. He wasn't saying that he was just making that like head shaking and finger-wagging like notice. It was it it was yes. Yeah and so I go. I was like oh well. You don't agree sir. Obviously he doesn't agree and he was like no and the people are just table. We're like no he does and I. It confused a no no for confuse a tick task with the Queen. He was saying you ask Queen Yeah So when you read a letter the odds queen do you have it here too. I haven't this is from Jeff. Be the subject is life's rules Justin Christian love the podcast. Thank thank you. Jeff truly isn't nice to hear that there's something really yes but story less. Tomorrow was my fiftieth birthday. Whoa I'm I am reminded every day and say well? No those mice are no editorialising. I'm just GonNa read it. I'm reminded every day that life is very short and the last two weeks. I'm a retired Navy. Chief served twenty two years in the navy. I've lost someone I know. That is my age one to cancer and one navy brother by his own hand. Life is definitely too short. That's why I enjoy your podcast. I've come up with some rules that I live by one. Be Kind to everyone you meet. You don't know what they have going on to watch springer springer or costs it will remind you your life. It's not that bad. 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Ep 89: Rand the Rib

Hyperbrole: A Comedy Advice Podcast

39:32 min | 1 year ago

Ep 89: Rand the Rib

"Hey thanks anthony for picking us up to go to the movies. Oh god i'm pumped. I haven't seen a good action film with the guys in a long time. Yeah sure i i wouldn't call the lion king and action in film but no problem man. Hey where's rand. We've been waiting outside his house for ten minutes. Oh there is a guy sorry. I'm late at just had to get some snacks to sneak speaking to the movie theater. Nice exams <hes> nope skittles negative. Dude your pants or bulging. It looks like they're bleeding. What did you run. Bresson ribs slathered in barbecue sauce what you got like a whole rack. You hit them in your pants. Yes the a._m._c. guys won't see him. Read your pants so ct in barbecue sauce and you smell like a roadhouse. They're gonna notice. Don't worry bro. I bought some axe body spray. How are you gonna eat them. You're gonna get <unk> barbecue sauce. All over the feeder. Go look like a karnik crime scene. I brought like five moist towelettes so you brought a rack of ribs ebbs a can of axe body spray and five moist towelettes anything else <hes> ooh. I actually forgot my wallet. <hes> when you guys <hes> give me on my ticket exchange for a rib hyperbole vice podcast for two brothers that rated students not taken literally high hyperbole hello and welcome to another episode of hyperbole podcast itself held podcast. The helpless by name is stephan and i am your first host and i'm excited to see this action film the lion king my my name is i think stephanie had a psychotic break. Watch talk like this bra okay and we're we're joined today by a very special glass that slowly becoming a brother. His name is not brand not rand. Paul not randolph the gray. It's rand yep. It's me again. Guys is rand. We are it and we call him rand the rib because he's just always prepared in what they call me so fucking guy ritchie bill. I'm ramble ram. The the rib you want to golden ran the rib because he's always got ribs anyway and this is that rand and will forever be called ryan all right guys. What do you say we read a review for apple. Oh podcasts yeah so this review from film fan twelve thirty two and it said five stars woo end it says says make the baby pay for it what that's in reference to what we served. If you don't understand the reference go back to one of our earlier episodes. I don't really know what it is either because i forget the shit that i say as soon as it leaves my mouth but it's probably maybe maybe it's not maybe the guy accidentally left review on the wrong podcasts yeah. I honestly don't remember we just you out content like a very gross metaphors about teenagers with their oh no no no with their snapchat yeah exact- like yeah yeah. That's what we do so we don't remember any era yup it so if you if you quote a. cast phrase to us the <hes> was from like two weeks will be like yeah and like what the fuck should stop because yeah please do it. I i enjoy being confused. <hes> we need it because if you do it it prevents insult comedy dementia from progressing so yeah lease please review us because it will help other people find us and then it'll help us find ourselves again because we're lost. We don't know what we're saying. We're riding around the same block in our cars thinking. We're gonna see the lion king. We don't know that ribs don't belong at pants so ran. The rib is just running rampant and anyway make make the baby pay for it. There's more to the review and you read the arrest on the second page. Fuck no i did not i did not that at all. I thought it was just made the bay for all right. These three brothers clearly have some chemistry they were if off each other's advise advise and take the conversation places you'd never expect i was walking through campus by myself and had to try to stifle laughter while listening to this. It's funny to the the point where i could not stop myself from laughing out loud. Thank you so much for the review film fan twelve thirty two if you you guys if we make you cackle on campus then crack a you're open your computer and mcdonnell any other c words reliever review yet do that here a so. You were. Thank you scatter. Let's go onto the quote of the week. This is where we break down the meaning of quotes from great people to reflect on in our self help. We're gonna take a quote this week from inspire bot. It's it's an a._i. Driven machine met a squeeze life lemons for us and spray us with citric wisdom or citrusy since a is in the future. We need to get used to losing using robots so all hail inspire about this. Week's quote is <hes> life begins when we learned to synchronize with the network eric of international bankers very insightful very insightful yeah life life does not begin until you are a full-blown syndicate of the international bankers. I feel like i feel like jay. Z learned that early on because he was like yo dog wraps and then he was like yo dog rose a._a. And then he started selling other shit and he got in touch with international bankers and now his true life has begun yeah like everybody. I mean that's what that's the american dream right is to get rich and and become part of the aluminum body yeah. That's true in the way to do it is through banker networks. See every national bankers specifically yeah if you're a a domestic banker like hi. I'm a branch manager. Wells fargo now no burn. It's just within the state just in the it's the region the tri state area. No no national baker's only yes exactly synchronized regional credit union banker. Would it'll be like the aluminum for like four towns in kansas the lil lumina no you'll be the illuminated. Gotta get up to the luminosity. Oh my god. That's i went there. Yes okay. We're gonna stop talking about that quote because i feel like it spoke to everyone. Everyone and it's still reverberating so as a reverberates. We're going to press on and what are we going to press into. I'll tell you it's the belief. This is the part of the podcast where we find questions from read it or they get sent into us from fans and we just answer them. We've also got some book titles for self off help books. We've got some quo. We don't have close. We have some words and we have a lot of laughter lots of fun so without further ado question one on this is coming from a fan screen scream. She says he says he she says dearest brothers and maybe rand. Yes rand is here so so yes in rant my boyfriend. My relationship is pretty great except for one thing deciding what to watch on tv we get in fights because i usually don't wanna watch shit like rick and morty and he usually doesn't wanna watch the stuff. I like like britain's greatest baking show or the bachelor. How do we find a way to watch tv in in peace. Thank you thank you screen scream green scream. It's like green screen screen screen cranston say it again anthony screens great. It sounds like a little kid like asking for like ice cream or something screen scraping words work and i just like say half of the word twice. They're like yeah. Is there any other shit you wanna dump on one of our adoring fans. No i well yeah. I mean fuck you. Just kidding love the fans <hes> now <hes> this actually kinda hit home for me because those are two examples of specific shows my wife and i went that we both despise watch i. I know i heard your wife talking about it last week. She was like god. I fucking love rick and morty but anthony's like no. I like britain's greatest naked. Show the matt yep exactly house like babe. We'll look at that pavlova and she was like fucking even steven anthony man ran. What about you. How do you and your wife intermingle your tv interests. I i just you know you just gotta. Grit your teeth and just got some shit that you don't want to watch sometimes and that's fine like you like you. Don't have to just decide that. You're that you're gonna not not like it not so. You're gonna like it not like. You're gonna like so you just decide. You're going to like ah what the fuck riverdale like. I was like damn those and then i started watching. It and i'm like dude. This is stupid but when the best i can sympathize or thighs buck in the bachelor and i have watched the last like four seasons of anna knocking. I fucking hate it but i am slyke legitimately only entertained when i watched it like i i would not watch it if i was not presented to me but i just sit there and i'm like what the fuck doing and like i get caught up in. It and i recognize that i'm gonna cut up with it and i hate it yeah. It's i feel like it's the the bachelor is like the cheese it's of t._v. You would never go out and buy them but if somebody has them at their house no oil no no no no. She's yeah. Cheeses are awesome. That's everybody loves jesus. Okay pringles yeah veggies. That's the perfect veggie straws no one i. I love veggie straws. I buy that shit all the time my docked sucking. I don't know the special brigades. I am a special breed. Nobody's nobody's quite like ryan. The rib but rib straws rib flavored one like so we're saying the bachelor's kind of ribs. You wouldn't god and make them yourself but if you see them on the table y'all eat them but if they're being offered you from someone's pants you're gonna be all over all man. The pant ribs are just the best okay but <hes> yeah so. I think rand is onto something year. Though you're going to have to start liking you're gonna have to open up your your mind. I would say to stretch it out to like some things that you would probably feel uncomfortable with and just take in grit your teeth and like let it build a little bit of resentment in your in the back of your mind and then like after long enough. He's blow up and spilling always watch you watch watching my shit tonight. You know what you are like. It two. T._v.'s get a second t._v. Next year current t._v. wien just watching both at the same time. Yeah you could get an extra t._v. Ranch saying piggybacking off that idea and put autumn in your room if two t._v.'s in your room and then one of you lays on one side watches at the other one lays on the other side. Isn't there some sort you know what guys i feel like. There is a rich vein of money-making here that we just nobody's tapped into you. Make a show. That's just both it's. It's got fucking both where you have the bachelor and the bachelorette party and and that's it ah. I don't know if i get sued for that good though it just again hey our tune i would prefer live action. Yeah that would be the best yeah or if you like. Bob's burgers just do bob's ops greatest baking show where it's just a contest of who makes the best burgers and we're fucking john benjamin. It's just bake anything they're like. Oh how would you overcoming and he's like <hes> burgers the pavlova the it's a fucking stupid little <hes> it's a meringue. It's like got cooked meringue. Oh do fucking delicious. It's an australian desert inspire their russian ballerina. Are you fucking kidding me. They're okay. They're not that good. They're they're they're okay. I'm gonna make you a pavlova bitch and yeah but now from lee stopover actually yeah yeah fuck you man oh there okay. I'm the oldest it's made you a goddamn of sorry my it's just not my thing okay whatever anyway fuck. You never make you a pep love. I've never ever ever anyway so what what maybe there's some overlapping shows that can that are like <hes> maybe palate cleansers or gateways to the shows that you like watching like maybe rick and morty is a little too spicy but what's something more mild that can easy win <hes> simpson's their yo simpson's. The classic should just pick something the thing that neither of you wanna watch. That's good just watch the news. Oh my god watch c. Span and not even the news like hearings yeah watch the local broadcast network just got god wayne and garth type shit people in their basement filming each each other diapers of this channels but no one watches them like there's no police saying that it's just like broadcast to everyone at a falls on deaf ears actually waged at least around here me and leave. I used to turn on like the morning old man like play about how you're gonna get saved god's word but he's sitting in like the details like wearing a suit. It's too big and he's just like sweating. Bullets like is not used to studio lighting and issues like too hot air. Yeah save all your t._v. Optic time for two a._m. The turn into your tune into your local evangelical station why you guys took turns took turns tuning into your local evangelical yeah so one just stays up to record it and then i guess in watch at the next day together no but i was saying take turns of what you wanna watch. Any other person has to watch it the nearly kind of say that and the rule it no. I think we kind of said that you watch you. Bring in two t._v.'s and watch your a your shift next to each other which i feel like would bring on terrifying nightmares but even if you're watching two different things at the same time i'm sure it's going to enter your brain and some fucked way and coming up on the bachelor rig. I can't the voice but you know what i'm saying. I like him. I don't think i've really seen this show maury maury to put you in your butthole morning. Wonderful probably probably a an episode. Just don't watch t._v. Get out there and do some shit with onto that we got outside. That's a bad idea play david area gary out there play video games. That's see that's good advice. Erin thousands of hours video games okay guys. That's not. That's something but i wanna run by. I what if you show your boyfriend adult films but they're britain's greatest baking show themed tonight so ben hill like it. Oh my god to check out those pablo buzz to. I don't know but yeah just i don't know just watch skin flakes that are like your favorite shows. What's the second role thirty four version of everything by the way meringue on it yeah or dude holy shit. How much stuff is there on t._v. These days where you can't find something that you both like yeah but there's so much garbage it's like ah for every billion hours of content is like twenty minutes of decent television so you're telling me that the bachelor is is is one of those twenty minutes that rises above the rest. No why would i did not say that at all and rick and morty is just a diamond in the rough now. They're probably just both examples hot garbage. You know what we all love in in different ways just watch sports spoils on sports but no not not popular sports that your boyfriend might like watch. It's just like badminton and curling curling or fucking lacrosse really get the the whole the full package. I got the curling package on my directtv growing. All the championship games right air certainly region brew. The older curling brown limited your cloud space on e._s._p._n. Forty six. It's covering all curling all the time a bro. I got e._s._p._n. Forty-seven the perils of curls okay i'm pretty done with this question. Do curl nice okay. All right question does not question does it's new segment self-help books so many self help books. We're gonna make ourselves or at least the title sa- guys this theme. We have to make title around and eating right. Let's brainstorm now. Get your body right. Get your body right okay. Is it about about i don't i don't know eating right. I guess okay. I don't know i'm going to throw it out there. Eating right eight colon finding the right foods that fuel your mind to hate immigrants and like like politically right yeah. That's what i was trying to go for and guys don't worry. I'm not anti ride. I i am a full communist so we don't have to worry. We are not anti-right. I'm i'm in the middle. I'm communists. That's like middle. That's that's that's the center that's like moderate political spectrum <hes> i give i give equal attention to all parties. I like it very good grounding out there. Can we make a title with grub like grub a dub dub eating in the tub. Oh shit yeah you can only eat in the tub <hes> and there. You'll lose weight because your water bill be too high. If you don't stop or you'll be a fat guy stuck in a tub like winnie the pooh when he can't get out of rabbits. It's house or like william howard taft but i like that one better william howard taft. Did he stuck in a tub. Yeah that'd legit extra big tub because he was do fucking fat so the tub in the white house was like five hundred pounds in the in the the guy ritchie movie they called him. How would the tub ran the rib. God okay okay anything else. No i think i think was rub. Rub a dub tub grab tubs are. I don't know okay all right guys. What do you say we all jump in the tub together. While our listeners hear a word from our sponsor i would describe myself as the charitable person. Would you shut up what stephens trying to say is. We were blown away when we learned about the app that lets you donate to charity just for listening. That's right pod coin with pod outgoing. You're in the digital currency. Just listening to your favorite podcasts then you can donate your coin to charities who will get real money donations. You can also use your pod coin in exchange it for other rewards like like amazon and starbucks gift cards so download pod coin in the app store or on android and ios our special code steph f p._c. To get three hundred pod coin just for checking it out just what i wanted to hear. Blah blah blah blah blah and welcome back everybody. Let's move on to question. Two anti rand ran the rib. Could you read this place. Ashir cad all right question to need help curbing. My sporadic sleepwalking slash sleep eating issues less than it. It was the weirdest sleep eating. I've ever had discovering a plate of dog food with milk on the night. Sleep meds so needs some practical practical ways of keeping myself in bed. Are there any products that can help anyone else with experiences like this would be super helpful. Thanks sincerely leap walker texas ranger. That's fucking wild never heard of that before. A plate of food food with mel got it. Did you think it was a serial really looks like syria. I guess i guess if you were not looking at cereal and you're just listening to the clinking clanking mail sorry food. I could mistake it for cereal. That's fair but opening the box because cereals israel's in a box right dog foods in big sack. Not always you get that dope super cheap cereal from fry's. Isn't that big ass bag. It's it's the the best serial to okay proved me wrong. Then what what about is there some sort of you know how kangaroos have a pouch. Is there some sort of pouch. You can put yourself into to not sleep. Walk like are from the roof for something like a what i'm i'm saying is by a kangaroo in sleep inside. It's pouch but could you fit in the kangaroos patch. If you stretch it a poor kangaroo you know i mean just going taking a better idea from an looking dumb. I think you should tire yourself up like a bat and hang from the ceiling ling upside down yeah well. I guess you do read set up so it's not quite like a bad wouldn't your shoulders pop out of their sockets kitts. Though no you're just in a big like sock. Oh okay okay okay okay and then the only way down is like you like <unk> release as a lever and it just drops you to the floor okay so if you're sleepwalking and you do it you'll just fall in wake yourself up 'cause like smack on the floor or die in the beginning of our flora's okay. That's good so put yourself in a big sack. What if you curl yourself up and then maybe handcuffs you couldn't move and then and swallow the key regular restraints but what if you take a asleep shit will then you'll have the key food right. What have you shit out the key and flush it is i'm saying i feel like that would take l. line. You're going to be cia. I mean i guess if you strap yourself so where you can't use your arms or legs and you saw the key it. You're only going to get out if if you hit the bed. What does the bed every day yes every day yet the bed well. I mean obviously i gotta learn throw keys from walk to hand outstretched strapped to the also covered shed good yeah what about what about those things you know those stretchers that the e._m._t.'s have that they put you on the tie you down for people with neck injuries yeah. This is what i was picturing. Yeah what if you do that and then you get a bedpan to right. Oh there you go then. You can can shit safely into your guys. I don't feel i feel like he's not going to sleep shit. I feel like the problem. Is these sleep eating sleep walking. I don't think he's actually but if he's if he knows what he's doing enough to pour himself a bowl a dog food. I mean he might be awake enough. Shit his pants to get a key. Where a diaper hyper bedpan solved it diaper weight but if he's tied up how you gonna get untied in his sleep. It's just going to shoot purpose back everywhere the diaper no so so. How's the bedpan get a work. If he's tied up we'll just title like an atlas straightjacket like an way way slanted at a forty five degree angle kanye hole hole right where your cheeks are and then it allows you to jus- go plop into the bedpan the work work yeah. I like it. Let's say shock trap like yeah if he put a strap on your door exiting your room so you're going to get shot almost lethally if you if you step through and that'll help i wake up i ha i like it like oh my god i have to get to the hospital. My night shoes melted to my seat. Anthony used to sleep walk and sleep p. Oh yeah i tell this story on the on the air anthony yeah. I have no shame i gave you permission to story but thank you rent so one time. I was hanging out anthony. He just started walking over in the kitchen and he went over to the trash. Can those like anthony. What are you doing and he just peed right in the trash. Can i thought okay well. That'd be weird if he was actually awake and then the next day. I see anthony as i'm in my bed because chris and i used to sleep together. I mean just have sex. I'm just kidding kristen. I it was casual grits that i used to sleep in the same bed as brothers do and i saw anthony and i say he he looks like one of those evil kids from from one of the scary movies this you can just see him with his head tilted like anthony eight doesn't respond and he just starts parts walking closer and like anthony anthony and then he pulls out his dick and like no and i go for the door and i slam ah shut it and then it slams right in the nicotine and then you can hear the hot liquid pressed against the wooden door so it's all over both chris and me and then i heard him whispering he was like vengeance is a dish best served warm so the moral of that story as if you can sleep pants you can sleep shit okay fine. I'm done. I'm done and give up. Word of the week is where you learn a new word. You don't laugh but you learn. The word of this week probably isn't that new but it's called diatribe and that is a forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something anthony you wanna use in a sentence the oh <hes> i'm fucking stupid. But why did you pick me this. Well established. Anthony doesn't know how to read yeah. I reading is not my strong suit. Plata's mice johnson thank you <hes> like a okay stephens about to go into with diatribe about anthony not being able to create an example of diatribe diatribe in a sentence done okay finals. Shin ran ran the rib d._o._s. Already read one anthony. Could you read this last question for us how to talk to the car repair without sounding rude my car. It has been in the car shop since july ninth. I have called three times since then and the reply i get every time as were having trouble with such asia and such part but it should be ready today. Oh wait. That's not summation point. It should be ready today slash tomorrow. We'll call when when it's ready wait. Are they saying we'll. It's ready anyway living the lie twenty second and still still no car. I'm a teacher and teacher in service days start next monday july twenty nine. My school is about <unk> a twenty twenty five minute drive away so i really need my car. How should i let the car repairman no my frustration with the situation situation without coming off sincerely car trouble for teach. He's yeah yeah the car back alley. How's it not fixed it yeah what the fuck could possibly how many times you jerked off in my car they do. We have to go there jesus debt you know that's what they do in those car shops like they don't do anything. I'm pretty sure out out of all of the things that i've imagined that car mechanics have done. I have never imagined them just jerking off in the car multiple times hansa doug greasy. Oh no don't do that to yourself with oil never gonna shake car mechanics hair and again or hair you should you should see their dicks man. It's oh my god. I just imagined some car mechanic coming home. After a long day dave work he's running his hands through the water cleaning up the oil then he pulls out his dick and he starts running through the water to clean out the oil at that orange shit waist down oh no and then his wife honey he's like oh. You know had go through three or four rounds today. Sweetie really put through the ringer. Oh no part of a cleric crankshaft. Yes that was a good laugh. I love anthony's and he's got his sense of humor is very simple person. I like simple. The things mostly dick at boob joke yes yes so so how can we not be rude to this man the car tech person just steal your car back yet. You're not in functional gardens discovered in repairman seen when you don't know oh no i mean isn't it gonna be covered anyway yes but at least you will wipe down or something i they don't want you to know dude. Oh god could we. I'm getting a stomach that is disgusting. Yeah just think about that every time getting your car. You're no no let's change subjects. How can i have a lot more d._i._y. Car repair. How can we steal car handgun. You got a handgun gun any kind of weapon a you can threaten you know <hes> saving around in the air. He's a teacher so he probably has a protracted. That'll work get it. Catches dicta protracted. It'd be like well. Listen motherfucker all mike god anthony. No are back the today. I'm gonna fucking reduce you to thirty degrees now dealing with cute little wiener now dr jealousy those up going to say yeah. Let's let's go at it. From different angles show <hes> okay. Oh sorry that one was a groner <hes>. I liked that one. Thank you sleep breath. I say send him a card hard. Send him a cute little card with maybe one of those car mechanics that that is leaning over to fix the car and it's his crack is show and <hes> and the arl no oh you're describing the hard oh that would be a nice very inception meadow. We like the picture is face on it looking back. He probably won't even notice until the end of the day anyway. That's probably how male the mailman just shoves. It slides down the crack. It's got a little tattoo with a p._o. Box on it so we can never move. We doesn't need to beat sit in the office all day anyway. Stop singing stock seen indica. Stop saying season all right all right all right anthony. I want one p._g. Advice pearl for you. Give him let him. Have you know oh tell him to get your car. Please five go back to the dick jokes. They can get a place. He's gonna have my car and i don't wanna be rude. I just i just need my car please. That's that's you might come officer than sane person like you're gonna stab him but with just the application okay hear me out is is going to sound pretty crazy but if you set his whole office on fire will year what you get insurance to pay for your car like fucking month <unk> have but you just have to hope that it's demolished because if not then they're going to like oh yeah we'll pay for it. If this guy fixes it a fall excellent okay. That's our show. Everybody wanted to just have a couple couple plugs before we leave. Leave a review follow us on twitter instagram email question at ask us anything. Hyperbole podcast has dot com or send us a live voice message on anchor on anchor. Thank you shouts to screen scream. Thank you positively wolf one one x ray anna summer stephen chats tim and greg and thank you thank you so welcome okay and they a big old thanks to ran the rib. No no no no no thank you <hes>. You've got jokes to spare like <hes> fuck looking little rivers. <hes> no like joey. Joan river's okay all right. I gotta go all right up while you see it on the riverbed. Okay rub rub by guys.

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Does PROCESSES Rhyme with KNEES?

Lexicon Valley

44:55 min | 7 months ago

Does PROCESSES Rhyme with KNEES?

"From New York City this is Lexicon Valley podcast about language. I'm John mcwhorter. Happy a New Year and let's just go right into it. It's something that irradiates a lot of you and you know to a tiny extent me too but when the era tate's you what you WANNA do trace it and face it and not erase it but explain it. I can't make that rhyme but what I'm talking about is this. You've got a crisis all right and boy do we. This week will crisis crises. That's the technical plural. I don't use it. I say crisis but you can say crises crises analysis. Well if they're two of them than analyses okay. Genesis Genesis Parentheses. I think a lot of us are a little insecure about it because when you talk about one of them but I think we know intellectually. It's a parenthesis. But if you have more than one parenthesis will then parentheses ill lip assists if you are given to talk about such things well ellipse sees okay. So you've got those weird florals that you pick up probably sometime around college but there's something that one here's a lot. I doubt if it's new but one does hear it a lot processes so you would think that it's processes but a lot of people talk about. Well we're GONNA have to rethink these processes. Sat's because and that irritates a lot of you in whatever voice it set in and you know frankly on this show. I'm always talking about how there is no such thing. In the scientific sense as improper language unsuitable language language that isn't basically effective at getting the message across across. And that's true but that doesn't mean that I'm not a human being in. There are little things that bother me just like we don't all like coconut. I don't for the record a lot of people. We'll seem to think of coconut is quite delicious. It irritates me and a coconut aspect of language. I must admit is that when somebody says processes it House House wrote me a little bit the wrong way I think no it's processes why you making process into this Latin word but you know that feeling makes no more sense in my not liking coconut or almond aniseed taste. Don't like it. That's not scientifically correct. That I don't like it. It's just my particular taste because awesome. Frankly in terms of plural these days the way we do florals regularly in English is a grand mistake as I often mentioned plural is is an old English. Were much cooler. They were more irregular. Egg Egg grew lamb. Lamb brew the plural of Oak was act. The plural of goat was got. It was really much more fun and then gradually for various reasons. The Sir plural was rampantly over-generalized. And now it's just taken over like some sort of Kudzu or virus and we just have little irregularities like men and women and children huddling in the corner. The way we do plural is now would sound to an old English speaker like a ghastly mistake. So I can't say if a representative number of people are saying processes and it really is an awful lot of people. The qualifies as a mistake. Where do you draw the line? Who knows but it's an awful lot of people who were saying processes and the truth is despite how I I feel in this? The first time I'm saying it on the Air Twenty twenty spite how I feel in twenty twenty hearing somebody say processes the truth this is getting things like that into the language is only making English more like it used to be. That really is the truth in any case when when you're hearing something like processes what you do is if you're going to be a linguist sort of person you'd build an analysis so you might ask the question as many of you have ask me why are people walking around processes okay. That is a question the answer is not just going to be some people just suck. That's not an answer and it's not going to be something about the Internet because I know this goes before that I remember people saying processes when I was an adolescent. And it's not going to be well why don't don't more people know Latin because frankly is that really something that we need to think that much about. God bless Latin. We've talked about it on the show but with all faces is the world and our country and ourselves really is the idea that more people need to know language that is dead. I don't think so. No I think we can come up with a more constructive way of looking at processes than that. What's going on well first of all? It's about Latin Latin. Not English and plural laurels worked differently in Latin. And this is a third declenchant issue. We don't need to go that far into the weeds. But let's say you have a word for tower and it's to twinsies. I doubt if they rolled ours but there were two of them so to reese well. The plural was not to racist but the plural was to lure race okay so to res to raise an English spelling that looks like and so with these words like crisis and analysis. It happens that one can Dan in English because those words came into the language relatively late and from Latin and were introduced by people who pride themselves on the fact that they knew Latin. Those words can be. I used with their Latin plural hence the crises and the ellipse cheese and parentheses. Okay so our question is why they are people extending it to process which is not one of those words processes seem just fine but there seems to be something a lot of people that saying processes feels feels correct. It feels like you're supposed to do it. People aren't just chewing up some food and then taking it out of their mouths and throwing it at spectators. It's not that it's it's people trying to make things more tidy. Why does that feel tidy? Well one does an analysis. I we're GONNA look at the words that that everybody agrees are allowed to have these funky Latin florals. What is it about them? What are they like crises analyses? Well one thing about them is that they're kind of formal crisis analysis genesis parenthesis ellipse. Those are ten dollar words words. These are not words that the typical even precocious toddler runs around using. You might not even be using them when you're ten there rather sophisticated words and so that's why it's not every word that ends in this that we have a sense that we're gonNA make into es in that way so for example. Let's say that you're someone who is more into listening to language than to reading language or maybe you're just somebody who lives fast so you've got crisis analysis. Promise promise it ends ends insane sound notice. Nobody says well. I'm sorry that I failed to keep all the promises made you know one would say that and the reason for it is that promises informal. You know it's not the most gut bucket word but crisis analysis genesis. You're thinking of a blackboard. Promise that it's it's it's more. Humble promise is a beef stew kind of were promised. Smells like beasts. Do it smells exactly like that. Whereas crisis and analysis and genesis those words smell like pencil so no promise now what else about crises analyses Genesis Wiser? Those were okay. Another the other thing about them is that they're not only formal but there is a frequency issue in that you use those words in the plural a lot and so that weird eared irregular plural can really get drilled into your head. There are many crisis quite often. You do your analyses. Parentheses occur are doubly almost all the time in our experience such that learning that. There's a such things. parenthesis comes much later. And that means that we don't use the plural ending with all Latin words that came in with that structure. So think of pelvis if you must well now think of two they are not pelvis now. If you go into the dictionary you'll find that that's on the books but God knows who says pelvis and that's because we don't experience pelvises in the plural that much watch my God four pelvises where where would that be outside of a laboratory. Just maybe anatomist talked about pelvis. But they're only like six of them so no Appel these. That's not what we do and so it's the same thing for oasis oases will part of it is that we don't talk about two or three aces very often. It's it's one. OAC while you're in the desert usually think of a mirage or if you're talking about camels drinking water at one you're not thinking of well how many oases has has that camel experience. We don't use it that way or basis will basis basis for analysis. Usually we're just GONNA say basis for analysis also and then there's access axes. Most of us are only dealing with one access at a time. I'm just going to make a guess that certain professors are may be given to saying axes sees because they talk about accesses so much but most of us don't and so that means that axes feels more alien than say analyses. There's one exception here. which is that one might encounter more than one diagnosis? If you're in a certain situation they're going to be a bunch of diagnosis now. Now technically you could say that the plural is diagnoses. I can say at fifty four. I've never heard anybody say that in any setting maybe medical local practitioners use it when no one's listening but it's not something that most of us use and the reason for that I suspect. Is that diagnosis. You know think of your immediate associations nations with that word. It's urgent something sad. Might be going on and so one is disinclined to be to persnickety and start using laurels. That a lot of people don't know especially depending spending on education and so there's a kind of patch on diagnoses but for the most part the words that take that ease ending that we don't have any problem with their formal and and they're ones where the plural is frequent just because of aspects of the concept and how it fits into society and so it's about formality and frequency of plural. Then we can come back to process so what happens is process is something that does happen in the plural a lot you can talk about processes all time so you say processes and you're not writing it you're speaking speaking is rapid speaking sub-conscious you say processes and what you feel is that this word went by and it's kind of formal process is formed when you're not saying who the way we're going to do it. You're saying process that formal and you talk about it in the plural a lot all of these processes. What are what are we gonNa do say processes and that is well? It's formal you encountered in the plural a lot and you might even have said in the last breath something about a crisis something about analysis now processes you feel like well. It's this is supposed to be ease so processes now it's supposed to be ease and so you say processes even though the word is not process so so that you're saying proxies it's processed is but you add that plural ending on then. You think what I'm supposed to be saying at the end of a word that has this flavor is ease and so proceeds also sees. That's where it comes from because it's formal and because it is frequently used Sam getting the inauguration and there's going to be a little more that frequently used in the plural now. There's a reason why it's only process if we're going to do analysis we have to think about words that are shaped like process and whether or not it works since oh process recess they are those are two words that could be friends based on the structure of them in terms of their sound but nobody talks about recess sees. There's no such thing and one of the reasons for that is because for one thing recess if you're thinking about where you're hanging on the monkey bars and trying to get somebody a kiss or something like that leaves. That's what I remember. Doing recess is not formal people running around smacking each other. There's nothing formal about it and it's not really exactly a plural kind of concept set. How many recesses did people get smacked at? You're talking about one recess. It's something that we usually experience as a single thing at a time so so no recesses talk about mattress so mattress. Nobody or at least nobody who deserves to have any kind of social or other kind of intercourse course would talk about having bought several mattresses. No one's going to say that if anybody's thinking about saying please don't and the reason that nobody would say that it's partly because there's nothing formal about a mattress. You can talk about them in the plural. I suppose but it's not formal. It's to gut bucket back to kind of beef stew as opposed to the pencil lead so not that however. This still doesn't quite work. Formality frequency. No recess sees no mattress sees because it's not formal enough but what about princess. Princess is kind of formal really because the princesses running some you know kingdom or or something like that. And she's in those close Kinda formal and there might be a bunch of princesses whole stories about things and yet no princesses. Now here's a story. where the princesses quarrel with one? No nobody would ever say that so processes feel so natural princess might as well be the same word nobody would say well. There's there's a bit of over marketing of all of these Disney princesses. Nobody says that and that is because we have another factor here. It's not about formality. It's not about frequency. It's that it's too concrete. A- princess is a thing or a person a thing and that means that nobody talks about well it was wonderful seeing all of these actresses no actresses. Nobody feels the need to say act. Sees you don't talk about waitresses because those are are real entities as opposed to abstractions. Same thing with Iris. Nobody says I res from one thing nor does anybody say well Tom. It's Valentine's Day I'm going to buy some irises. Notice that's hopeless is because you can hold irises and you can. You can smell them. I've always favored them as what you give. Give somebody you know. Somebody gives you flowers. And they're always sending you like Zinnias or or daisies with babies breath in them or something like that why not irises. I've always thought they looked looked kind of like women and they. There's I think they have a certain. Never mind anyway. They've always been my favorite flower next to tool of but nobody calls them. I sees sees what it means is that you've got the formality you've got the frequency of plural. And then you've got that it's abstract now that's going to be a foot uh than Off the top of my head. Let's say that it's four months which is hopeless but we we need the F.. So formality frequency of plural and then formless that's what determines this and that's why you get processes and then it means this is what I mean by analysis all of that. Ah predicts that there's going to be another one of these. Some of you are probably already thinking of it. The person who talks about processes also is given to saying by Aziz. You hear that a lot but why because bias is a formal word you learn it when you're about sixteen then you encounter by says in the plural elot because buys is unfortunately fortunately rather fundamental human and so you talk about people's biases often and then it's not concrete. You can't hold a bias in your hand and give it a bottle. It's it's an abstraction and therefore processes and bias sees is easy that is uh shamelessly graceless transition to a song hugh. Because it's just time that we had one easy let's make it. Let's open up the year with easy living. This is a grand old. Nineteen thirty's pop song. Most people are fond of the Billie holiday version. And you know that's so commonly heard that I'm going to do my job here being deliberately partly obscure. We're GONNA do the Peggy Levers which is actually one of my favorite cuts of hers end of all time even noticed instrumental intro so a little bit of easy living before before we move on is he live. It's easy to live. ooh And so there's nothing in but The years I'm giving it's easy to again when Run the processes biases. They're in there and as I said even if they feel unwelcome some of us or even if they feel like somebody's trying too hard art and we'll get to that they actually make the language more complex and to me at least I always like it when English gets more complicated because I've got kind of complexity envy when I think about a language such as Russian Oksana but we've talked about that so we have something like processes bias as it means means that these irregular Latin florals end up extending what this means is normal change in a language. It isn't always about about dropping a sound so you see comfortable on the page but you probably say comfortable or vegetable now vegetable well. Change often often involves dropping. Sounds it's not always about creating redundancies so irregardless etc.. It's not always about that. It's not always about losing some useless useless but cute nuance such as that. We're supposed to say fewer books but most of US probably in our spontaneous moments say less books instead change also creates gates complications. So for example you have something like sneaked used to be more common than snuck which we tend to prefer now but that means that we have made read sneak. Irregular or dived used to be more popular than dove. If you talked about swimming with William Howard Taft. I don't know I am choosing him veteran. What kind of bathing suit? He probably had though you talked about swimming. With William Howard taft well he probably would have said well and then I dived. He did sound on kind of like that as opposed to dove. which is what we would say so? Those sorts of things can happen as I have said in a previous episode and I meant it I was unanimous animus in this language changes not all about simplification if that were the way it was then all of us would just be rolling around drooling now language is also about complication complication and so what we're dealing with with processes and biopsies. Is this irregular. Now because not everybody does it but complex defying wing factor and to the extent that it feels messy like somebody left a smudge somewhere. There things like that. That don't bother any of us at all so for example let's take the comparative Jeff. How you do the comparative with adjectives and this crazy language? There are two ways you can do it. You can put E. R. on on the end and so you can say something big and then bigger or you can use the word more and put it before and so horrible more horrible or the way more and more people are saying. It's horrible horrible. I'm beginning to date myself by saying horrible too. Horrible more horrible. Okay well what decides it. You may never have thought about that. If you're an English speaker you never have to think about it and you never do it wrong. But what decides that well basically if you've got one syllable then and you can be pretty safe with earth and so- bigger smaller taller better there you go. That's all pretty easy. But what about if you've got three syllables will there. It's got to be more and so obvious obvious via sir. No it's got to be more obvious ridiculous more ridiculous not ridiculous so for example there's a beautiful and capitalization allegation of this in a cute little joke in one of my very favorite very favorite top twenty five looney tunes. Well known one. It's called Tom. Burke and Daffy Daffy duck and porky pig. I think I highly suggest that you take a look at it on youtube if you like looney tunes at all it's a cartoon that's witty ahead of its time but here's a little bit of dialogue with Daffy deduc where he indicates how we actually do or don't do comparative based on how many syllables there. He's he's I I got my whole life before me travelogue. Aw c'mon pull yourself together Tom. You're verging on the historical outbreak up there. More Alex Gino. Hi this seagull. Oh here we are a little too obvious Nine isn't that speech that the Turkey makes good. I loved the Turkey. Is this educated middle middle class White Man of the Mid Twentieth Century. The person who did the voice of the Turkey for the record was billy blecher. The problem is what about with two syllables souls and so for example narrow narrower okay that works little littler good pretty prettier right humble Campbell humbler probably although you could say more humble so you're thinking well then it's one or two syllables. Then it's and then with three then it's it's more but not really because modern modern owner in. Yeah everybody would understand you but it sounds a little clumsy. It's like you have gout or something bitter bitter not. That's a joke. That's something that somebody would do inverse. They considered funny. I'm tired I'm tired or than I was last night. More tired is is better really. What determines it or one that really sits right on the line clever? He's cleverer than her more clever. I it's hard to say and you know there is. I've got to give you another clip now because there is a show. Oh tune that just gets this dead on. This is a musical as ation of Noel. Coward's play Blyth Spirit. It's called high spirits and and it was modestly successful in the late early sixties and this is a song called what she prettier than I into go very quickly into the weeds for those of you. Who Care about this kind of thing I wanted to play the American cast album but for infrastructural reasons having to do with my schedule which I won't bore you with I was not able to get the cut from my CD? Yes I still got quite a few and so what's online is the British cast album. Frankly is much superior than the the Broadway cast album so the person who's singing the song singing it much too high for my taste in the arrangement sucks but this is what we have and the point is. Listen to the lyric. Eric where you have to play with this idea of whether or not you can use and on what words you. Yeah she wrote honor except she will. Aw Oh so the question is why this new complication. What determines that a language let's complexity seep in while sometimes it's more that the language let's old old thing sit and because they sit they make things more complicated even if the language was trying to be simpler so for example this s plural spreads everywhere? But you've got the remnants. You've got the dead spider caught in the screen and so you've got things like the children and the lice and the geese at Cetera Geese but not meese etc so those things are kind of like appendixes in the body. What's the appendix for? I don't think anybody knows and clearly you can be without it and live a full life or the Cox that tailbone that sometimes you can brave. What's that in there for? Because you know we used to have tails and now we don't. That's that's the way language is work languages have appendixes and Cox but also it's that if you've got something complicated. The language language doesn't always WanNa just flush it out. Human beings can handle an amazing amount of linguistic complexity that has no real purpose. And so that means that you get new irregular verbs like snuck taking over or dove taking over or this is for the rappaport. Wells' The idea that you have this word yeat and there's the idea that the past form is yoked and you guys ask what. Why would you bring in new irregularity when the ideas? The language gets simpler but but no actually often we pattern new things on the irregularities. Sometimes you just WanNa stick with what you eat and Yo te rather than needed this. Is this this verb that refers roughly to throwing something over distance. I yielded it into the trash. The the kids are using it. I'm told and you can say that yesterday. You so you yielded. There is some controversy over. How Real Yo te is? But it's so cute that I hope it's real and that report wills as my answer to your question but sometimes John just kind of keep things you don't get rid of everything like for example. I just got rid of my speakers my receiver and my speakers but you know I didn't and get rid of them because I just can't let go of the idea that the proper middle-class home has some goddamn speakers in it so the truth is I took the speakers and I put them over by the wall in my lobby and I kind of just kept deliberately forgetting to get rid of them. And then I had a box and Gracie the caveat Kind of she was almost verbally telling me she wanted a box to curl up and so I got a little box that had been in and I put some old rags in sprinkled some catnip and so now now that's her bed and she seems to like that a little bit raised on the speakers. So that means. I can't get rid of the speakers. Of course now. So now. They've become furniture and really is just that I can't let go no of Nineteen seventy-nine verbs are like that too. I also have a lazy boy chair and I'm about to buy another one because there are times when you want the past to stay. It's that you get complications because either old stuff was hanging around or actually you kind of like the old stuff and so you end up bringing in more but then also in this case we're dealing with the formality issue now we're GonNa hit the aspect of processes and buys these. That's a little delicate. which which is that you hear somebody saying processes and biopsies and if you're not somebody who happens to be given to sing it yourself or you don't know that you say it then you're thinking taking it? Sounds kind of like the person's trying it sounds like the person's kind of sticking their little incorrupt when they're drinking their tea. You think of it as illegitimate because the person I'm just trying to make it seem like they know Latin or or something and of course we know nobody is consciously thinking those things but there's an extent to which by Aziz an in processes sounds to us like something that you might call kind of D- oily grammar. It's just this little note that you figure a person doesn't need to strike especially in our come. As you are era I mentioned many people would have felt differently about that in eighteen. Seventy but today we WANNA WE WANNA keep it real and processes and biases has a way of not quite sounding real. But what it's about is that there's an aspect of speaking a language that tends not to make it tabulated into the books but is as important to speaking as a human being no matter where that human being is as doing past tenses or making something into the plural and the sorts of things that we think of as the. What's for for dinner kind of grammar? Formality is a part of what you could call grammar. There are all sorts of things that are grammar. That were not told our softeners nerves is one of them as I discussed recently. Formality is another one. The idea that in some situations you are more monitored in some situations relations. You're more deliberate in some situations. You're thinking harder about exactly the way you're coming off and this is not just a quote unquote modern modern thing in any language once you dig beneath the surface there is the kind that you use if only in ceremony which is a kind of formality as opposed opposed to casual speech while you're sucking clams by the seaside something like that in Panama. A group of people call the KUNA have a language guage. It's the Kuna language and when the chief is making a speech the chief uses grammatical forms that are only used in making speeches like that that and some of these forms are so jake that there's somebody standing at the side kind of translating what he's saying into less formal language for the audience so the KUNA group have that formality not because there's something exotic about the Kuna but because they are human beings using a language or for example Apple. Somebody I try not to mention on this show because frankly would be cliche not to mention often depressing but part of why the way president. Trump communicates is so striking taking in twenty twenty or really at any point during his lifetime is because he is not interested in using the formal aspect of speech each all presidents before him at least pretended. But that's not what he does and it's weird to encounter that president dwells almost exclusively in informal kind speech because the full Palette of language involves this kind of formality. Parameter Japanese needs is a good example like it used Korean but I know less of it so Japanese Japanese is all about this issue of formality. You can learn learned the basic beef stew grammar of Japanese and really be unable to use the language in any remotely effective way. If you're really going to dive in because knowing how to do do the plural or in the case of Japanese not do floral knowing how to put things in the past ten to all. That's very nice but a big part. The speaking Japanese is to control the layers of formality and its words and its endings. And it's the way you put the words together. All of it is absolutely key. Japanese is his grammar is very different from English grammar but after you master the basics the truth is Japanese is grammar per se is almost suspiciously. Easy you almost wonder under that really. All there is what makes it normally complex is that you've got all this formality so little example you want to say to somebody something. Roughly means I ask your favor which you can slip into all sorts of human encounters. One way that you might say it is Yoshiko tumble say it again. Yoshiko tunnel so Yoshi coup kind of favor. So you'll she coup tunnel. Okay sorry about this current job the voice until I know well. That's the basic way of saying it while you're like eating out of a Bento box and you're probably guy you're saying that to another guy but what you might say instead of Tano than Tanno me massive now to us. That just sounds longer and well what but Numa so. You're the seafood food. That is more formal. It's a step up but it's not all the way up. It's not just two levels of formality. If you really want to be polite about you're dealing with somebody you don't know at all and you're probably never going to meet them again. Then it's Yoshiko on a guy she and the on a guy is kind of like a bag like a pray. Give me something. So you're GONNA guy she must've Shimon suit is like to make or to do so instead of just your ten. That's Bento box your time we must. That's a little higher that lets you on eventually Muslim. That's more or it's your Guy Tasha Muslim so that's even more formal. That's if you're standing upside down in the court or something like that but then there's even more instead of Yoshiko on a guy you could say Yoshiko own a guy. I am mostly. I'll get muscles and that's longer and more formal all of those things that if you're a real Japanese speaker you have to know. It's this kind of formality already. We all feel it. English especially modern English and especially modern. American English doesn't stress formality to that extent. But because we are human language speakers were always sensing it. We're always reaching for it a little bit and so for example guys and dolls. Adelaide says. Let us not behave like a slob. So let let us not behave. Despite the fact that her actionable comfort level is to say things like a Slob or here is a song from it. Take back your mink and the idea. The In this nightclub number is that a woman has been given a mink coat by a man who has certain intentions and she is protesting that she had no idea that the mink mink was going to be for that. And so the idea is that he's giving him back the men and the women in the number dancing and the idea that there is a strip club you can imagine but anyway listen to this lyric in take back your mink with this business of from whence it came. That's a person sticking their little finger up and this is of course a parody lyrics but it speaks to an aspect aspect of how human beings communicate giftable rain toward the token up your now when I think in so to tell the they doc young things I want to go in fact I by the way. Haven't you always wanted to know a new word for but you know that you have. You're probably thinking of it just before you listen into this podcast when you know if you want a new word for but then you are going to have to subscribe to slate. Plus slate plus is a wonderful feature in addition to this show. There is a little bit where I talk about something else. In this case the bit is out of but and in the slate plus segment. Sometimes I even use more musical numbers the more to the point if you subscribe slate plus not only do you get the little tag at the end of my show. It's a sitcom from the old days but you don't have to listen to any commercials you don't have to listen to me or anybody else doing them. And you get all that for a nominal fee for a nominal fee you get more show and no commercials if you want a new word for but then you've got to get slate. Plus I do a bit about but if you want a tag that is is actually within the show instead of with slight plus then listen to this. This is an episode of Lucille. Ball's second Sitcom this is the Lucy. Show Oh this is third season were in nineteen sixty four and this episode is about contact ones listen to Lucy and give talking about contact lenses in nineteen sixty four. You get a pair of contact lenses. Oh they're too expensive. I can't afford them two hundred dollar. Oh you don't have to pay for. I was just meeting here in the paper I was looking at here. Look at oh I forgot. You can't read. I can read a big print for heaven's sake. Contact Lenses no money down fifty two weeks to pay where them before you buy free trial. I offer here that so right when high spirits was playing on Broadway the way somebody would talk about this. Rather new thing for most people was they were contact lenses. Now that that of course goes back to our wonderful back shift phenomenon that has become a theme of this show so you would know that back. In the time of Madman people would have said contact lenses instead of contact lens and of all things to lucy show gives us proof but more to the point notice lenses nobody says says Lindsey's but notice how it almost feels like they could. It feels right because lenses kind of formal that would especially have been in nineteen sixty four but even now oh you know lend smells more like Pencil. Lead than like beef stew and especially with contact lenses you usually encounter them in the plural. Nobody's walking around wearing their contact lens and so lenses but no it's physical. It's not an abstraction and so you don't talk about your lenses or at least I don't think anybody he does but almost so that processes biopsies that's why it actually complicates the language it does represent represent. A certain amount of trying in the person is trying to speak properly. They're technically over generalizing this ending but the fact is is that that's what people do. That's how language always changes and formality is often part of why language changes there are all sorts of factors that we don't think about an addendum in the last show. I casually had this nineteen thirty six clip of Molly P. Con singing this song. I know what the name of the song was as you know. Everybody knows that like they know New York New York. That was an accident that was yellow mitten fiddle. And you know Mitt and fiddle means roughly in Yiddish little Jewish person with the violin and fiddle but Brian. So you don't meet and fiddle is famous song long famous story title so that thing the hottest product that was it'll mitten fiddle. Let's see what are we going to go allowed on. Musically you know about all right here is something that we're GonNa do. This is a song that let me know. What sex was? We're talking about the early seventies and I didn't formally no but there are times when a song just sounds like it and I remember hearing this in the back seat of the car and then once watching some of my extended family dancing to it at the end of a boozy party and this is in the era where at parties people actually drank hard liquor instead of sipping wine means. The people got drunk in front of their children. And I remember listening to the lyrics of this song this is Rufus and Chaka Khan doing. Tell me something good in thinking. I'm not sure what good they're talking about. But I can tell it something really good and it's not food and you start getting ideas. It's funny when you think about when I know about such things such as me playing the show tunes and various other things about me. I know what many people have often speculated about and I talk about you know girlfriends and wives allies but of course people think is he and the answer is I know why I might seem so. But here's how I know that I'm not. It's that when I first saw wizard Nevada's no of course not even mentioning that that even at that further fueled speculation but when I first saw wizard when it was on TV. My mother sat me in front of it. I remember watching Judy Garland doing somewhere over the rainbow and I was just mesmerized. But I didn't WANNA be Judy Garland. That wasn't why I wanted to due judy. Garland I asked my mother. Who is that beautiful girl? And is she alive. So that's how you know anyway. Here is one of my favorite songs. It's tell me something good and you can tell what the something would be. What's sad ooh ooh yeah in one anyway you can reach us at Lexicon Valley. It's DOT com. That's let's valley. 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Ask Charlie Anything 27: Epstein and Maxwell, Bill Clinton in Handcuffs? And How To Find Meaning In Your Life

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Roosevelt Glenn Beck who's a friend of mine, and I have a lot of respect for Glenn. Beck makes Teddy Roosevelt most public enemy number one of, and he argues that it is the beginning of the progressive. Movement. Ben Shapiro and his book was awfully critical of Teddy Roosevelt Teddy. Roosevelt I think it's an unfair and really bad rap amongst conservatives, and you actually dive deep into what Teddy Roosevelt believed in why he believed that I think that There's a lot to be learned in there. Some things we can disagree with, but I kind of going into history of Teddy Roosevelt interestingly enough. He was born in New York Harvard educated where he said quote. I learned nothing of great value of my time at Harvard Harvard hasn't changed very much. One Hundred Years He ended up becoming governor of New York, but before that really interesting Teddy Roosevelt was. Was One of the first advocates of the American police force. He was the commissioner of the New York Police Department of the New York City. Police Department did a great job huge decrease in New York City crime. He actually ended up running the rough riders, which fought nice little conflict in Cuba that came very famous teddy. Roosevelt was very pragmatic. He was a man's man. He was a famous outdoorsman He was incredibly politically ambitious loved. America does make that very clear. His motives were all about a strong and cohesive America that represented the middle class of our country again. He was very pragmatic. He was willing to try out new ideas. He wanted to run for the presidency wasn't really sure the way to do that? And becoming selected for the vice president position for McKinley. McKinley ends up getting shot, and then Teddy Roosevelt takes over almost the entire term for William McKinley and served two terms. Almost three Teddy Roosevelt was best known for his trust busting going after the mass of companies that were basically running America in very strict libertarian circles. They will say that this is This was awful over. Each of power was Miss Misrepresentation history say they were abusing their power? There might be some truth to that, but the more I've. I've studied it from impartial observers, I think it's fair to say that mass consolidation of corporate power was a violation of human liberty and freedom in certain parts of the country, and I think that Teddy Roosevelt generally acted correctly in that sense Teddy Roosevelt built our national parks. This is probably what I think. We can learn the most from from him. He was a huge believer in preserving our national treasures of Yosemite. National Park Grand Canyon Grand Teton National Park. The Glacier National Park the CODA badlands is actually where he got his start as an outdoorsman. Teddy Roosevelt probably could have ran for a third term and won a third term. He step down because of something that his distant cousin relative Franklin Delano Roosevelt decided not to do where he was elected to four terms, really only serving three died in his fourth term. Teddy Roosevelt decided to groom a successor he he groomed the very large William Howard Taft Bigeye. The fattest present in American history, and actually famously got stuck in a bathtub because he was so big William Howard Taft changed the direction of the Republican Party from from away that. Teddy Roosevelt Justin like because of that Teddy. The trade ended up primary and William Howard Taft in that Republican primary. Unsuccessfully than ended up starting the Bull Moose. Party William Howard Taft and Teddy Roosevelt both then split the Republican vote about twenty, five, twenty, five, each, which then elected one of the worst presidents in American History Woodrow Wilson no look. Teddy Roosevelt was a complicated figure. Won a Nobel Peace Prize. That's a fun cocktail party fact for ending the rush Oh Japan War I. Think we can use Teddy, Roosevelt as someone who was a patriot. I might have pushed the boundaries of executive power too much for some people, but generally made decisions that were in the best interests, the middle class and the worker and the every day man. I'm also a big Fan of Dwight, D Eisenhower. We've talked about that. In a previous episode of the Charlie Kirk Show. We can dive in to that more next question, Charlie. What are your thoughts on President Trump's recent announcement that he will be sending a surge of troops into cities like Chicago to combat growing violence. Is this the right move? Jeff from Indiana will. Jeff will first of all my home. City is Chicago. I am proud to be from Chicago violence in Chicago has been. Out of control for an incredibly long period of time, so I'm from Chicago just had a little. Update in Chicago in July so far there have been seventy five people shot and killed in Chicago, three hundred and fifty seven people shot and wounded four hundred thirty two people total shot in eighty five total. Just in the last week, just in the last six days, thirteen shot, and killed sixty six shot, and wounded seventy nine total shot in fourteen homicides, and so far in two, thousand, twenty, three, hundred and eighty three shot, and killed one, thousand, seven, hundred, sixty seven shot, and wounded two, thousand, one, hundred fifty total shot with four hundred and twenty six homicides. A person is shot in Chicago every two hours and sixteen minutes, and a person is murdered in Chicago every eleven hours and twenty eight minutes, so to say that Chicago is going in the right direction would be complete and total misrepresentation of the data. The average age of a shooting victim in Chicago is twenty nine point, two years old, and the average race is unfortunately black, and most of the people doing the shooting are black on black crimes, so look Chicago has long been a center of Violence Asai Center of destruction and blood in the streets. I fully support president trump bringing in the troops to. Quell this conflict. Seventy seven percent of all the victims that die in Chicago are black every single year, so I I want to start with Lori lightfoot, who's an embassy, Jill? She's a complete and total imbecile. She's a corrupt. Individual who's probably owned by the street gangs well known in Chicago that politicians and Alderman take money under the table from street gangs. It's just how it works why they do not police certain corners. It's why they do not investigate crimes. It's why most Chicago murders actually go unsolved, so according to the Chicago Tribune there have been forty thousand homicides in Chicago in the last sixty three years, so the last sixty three years, forty thousand people have killed each other. In Chicago just to give an idea and police solve fewer than one in six killings, so the police solve less than fifteen percent of all the murders, so that means that eighty five percent of murders go unsolved, and a huge part of this is because the gangs tell the police, and they tell the Alderman you're not allowed here. We'll take care of this ourselves, and so you kind of put that altogether they run the city, so lory lightfoot, who again is a total imbecile. She's incredibly corrupt might be getting cash onto the table. Who knows? She says that trump is not welcome in our city. Play tape. That's not democracy that we saw unfolding on the streets, a Portland, as a result of this federal action. That's what we call tyranny and dictatorship, and we are not having it in Chicago. Since we the president and his. Team started to rattle the saber that they were going to do exactly the same thing in Chicago that they'd done in Portland I've been very clear. Not Happening in Chicago we don't need. Federal Troops Look Lory lightfoot knows nothing about Chicago. I was raised in the suburbs of Chicago I. Know Chicago very well. The only way you can solve this problem is you bring federal troops into the city and you start solving these crimes using the Federal Bureau of Investigation you say we are not going to leave until there are no more children being shot in the streets now. President trump has defended the move based on refusal of local politicians to protect their citizens play tape today. I'm announcing surge of federal law enforcement into American. Communities plagued by violent crime. Will work every single day to restore public safety, protect our nation's children and bring violent perpetrators to justice. We've been doing it and you've been seeing what's happening all around the country. We've just started this process. And frankly we have no choice but to get involved so just to reiterate thirty four thousand of forty thousand murders in Chicago have gone unsolved. You want to get away with murder. You can literally get away with murder in the city of Chicago. Senator Cruz introduced a bill to hold local officials liable for allowing violent autonomous zones called the reclaim act. Now Mind you. Democrats are not gonNA. Do anything with any of this black lives being obliterated. Do It doesn't matter the Democrat Party and this is what's so funny to the NBA. The National Basketball Association they have just revealed their new court that says black lives matter on the the court where they are going to be playing their. Social Justice playoff in their self contained little bubble in Orlando. What they do not mention. At all is the seventy seven percent of black homicides, semi's of homicides in Chicago. You're are black. They don't mention it because all that matters to them is the fact that a black individual was killed by a white police officer despite the fact that they knew each other. For quite a while leading up to it. The. NBA doesn't care about that at all, so I completely support it. There is one downside which is, they are going to try to use against president. Trump politically if it doesn't go well, I don't see that possibly. Happening how doesn't go well, but they're all of a sudden, and then blame all the violence that might continue to happen on president trump. This is something that. I can tell you that governors and mayors in these cities have failed their citizens so horribly. Lory Lightfoot J. B. Pritzker. WHO's a trust fund baby who has never worked a day in his life, he was born on third and thought he hit a triple. And if you think William Howard Taft was a big guy. Jay Pritzker has beat by double. All I have to say. Jay Pritzker runs for the president. He would have. William Howard Taft William Howard Taft was like criss cross fit athlete compared to Jay. pritzker okay. Jay pritzker is one of the most despicable human beings. I've ever had a chance to meet I. Know This guy. He is a socialist through and through never worked at honest Dina's life. The PRITZKER, family fortune, and every time you stay at a high at hotel. You're making J. B. Pritzker Penny pritzker richer relate. It's all this in Portland recently. Joe Biden accused federal law enforcement of quote, brutally attacking peaceful protesters around the federal courthouse in Portland Federal, officers are operating, quit without a clearly defined mandate of authority. Biden said in a statement adding that the White House. is quote trying to stoke the fires of division in our country? This is nonsense, peaceful protesters. Button probably has not seen the video of the nightly assaults on the courthouse. And I encourage you to look at the videos of police officers literally under fire, literally being had think throw things thrown at them and forty eight of them being injured, but of course the media decides not to cover that the media decides not to talk about that instead. The activist media talks about how Donald. Trump wants to take over the inner cities well, it is America to him to and these are not autonomous zones, and actually donald trump cares about black lives being lost, Donald Trump cares about black children. Being Shot Donald Trump cares about. About black families being torn apart Joe Biden does not care about black lives. Being lost the Democrats. Don't care about black lives being lost. Barack Obama does not care about black lives being lost for then they think Oh yeah a couple. THOUSAND BLACK PEOPLE YEAR BEING KILLED IN CHICAGO DETROIT PHILADELPHIA ATLANTA WHO cares unless of a police officer dares do something that is not correct, then all the sudden. They're mobilizing people in the streets of course Al Sharpton Jesse Jackson and the entire BLM INC industry. They're silent because this is not fit their political agenda. There is rioting arson and murder happening in the streets of our great cities. Criminals are on the loose. Democrat governors are releasing criminals by the thousands California announced. They're going to release another ten thousand criminals. They might be coming for your home next. Are you protected? You need a serious home security system simplisafe. Simplisafe has got everything. You need to protect your home. With none of the drawbacks of traditional home security, it has an arsenal. We see that again. 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Everything care about so get some security and get tough simplisafe dot com slash Charlie. Next question from Jack. Charlie love your podcast and thanks for all you do I was recently discussing the most recent death of the judge's son, and injuring of her husband, who were connected the Epstein case, I was recently it. Trump was connected with Epstein to and made trips out to his island. Is this true? Thanks can jack. No, we have no evidence. Evidence that Donald Trump ever went to the island period Barnum. Donald Trump and Jeffrey abstain were not France. In fact, he threw Jeffrey Epstein out of mar-a-lago. Because Jeffrey Epstein was trying to proposition young girls at his club Mar-a-lago. In fact, Donald Trump in two thousand, fifteen at CPAC warned us about Lalita, experts, Bill Clinton Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell play tape. Bill Clinton. Nice Guy Got A lot of problems coming up in my opinion with the famous island with Jeffrey Epstein Problems Donald Trump again was ahead of the curve, Donald. Trump has been on the right side of child, sex, trafficking, and the horror, and the sin of it make no mistake. Jeffrey Epstein One of the most disgusting people ever to exist in the history of our country. He used his power, his wealth, and his prestige to traffic, young girls and prey on them sexually. It's one of the most disgusting things a human being can do. Now people say Charlie to Jeffrey Epstein. Kill himself I don't know that, but it certainly looks like he didn't kill himself. That's all I, have to say. In fact, even if you go look a pedia page, it says that. Death Cause of death questionable. Yeah I think that's probably fair now. They'RE GONNA try to kill Lane. Maxwell. Now, who is they just so you understand the ruling class across the world, not the same ruling class always talk about here, but people in the Royal Family and heads of state, the very perverse and dark fascination with taking advantage of young children. It's just something that has always existed in the highest levels of authority and power all across. The world it's nothing new. It's a very strange thing when you start to look at even thousands of years ago and Aztec Peruvian archaeology and gypsum archaeology, how people were so invested in child, exploitation and child sacrifice very strange and be very bizarre. Own Conclusions there however. Glenn Maxwell is now public enemy number one because she has all the secrets on all these people that actually went to the island. Now Mind you. I I think we to dismiss from our nomenclature Oh. That's a conspiracy theory. Well guess what I'm GonNa be honest with you guys in two thousand thirteen. I was at dinner in Palm Beach. I'll tell you a true story I was at a dinner with Palm Beach with three billionaires. That were very well connected. And, one of the billionaire said Yeah, you know Jeffrey who lives down the street from her. You know that he's tr- trafficking girls his mansion. And two of the people said that's a lie. That's a conspiracy theory. Stop saying of course end up being true and he was convicted previously for doing it. So just because someone says a conspiracy theory doesn't mean it's necessarily untrue. It's actually been proven to be true now and now there's a federal investigation. After failed investigation for doing that now. None of the people at the table were involved in doing it. Obviously, they just knew about it. It was the worst kept secret in Palm Beach for a decade and a half, and yet it was just allowed to happen because it was important people that were doing it. And so I hope every single one of these people wrought and burn these people. That engage in this unspeakable horror with by the way the left is now trying to normalize pedophilia. There is a Ted talk out there where they try to normalize pedophilia. There has been New York Times articles written trying to say that pedophilia is something that we should accept so just anticipate that the left is going to try to normalize the exploitation of children. It's just part of their new agenda, and if you don't believe me, go look it up yourself. So then you have president. Trump asked about Glenn Maxwell at the press conference. Play tape wondering. Do you feel? Powerful men have you see that working out and then president trump says. He wishes d'alene well play tape. I. Don't know I haven't really been following it too much i. just wish it well. Frankly, I've met her numerous times over the years especially since I lived in Palm Beach and I guess they lived in Palm Beach but I wish her well whatever it is i. don't know the situation with Prince. Andrew just don't know now. I think this is being really played up as something that it's not I think that people say. Oh. Donald Trump wants what's best for. For a child trafficker now I actually think he was sarcastically. Saying I don't think this is going to end very well for her. And that's all I can say about that I think that just knowing Donald. Trump in the way he communicates I'm GonNa totally depend on this unfair to attack them on here. And people said he misspoke and I I I. Just don't agree I think that he's saying I. Don't think this is GonNa end well for her people around her. That's kind of the tone I got. Think probably wouldn't better be better if he said it, but I found nothing wrong with what he said, because I put it in context of his prior statements. I don't actually think he was saying I. Wish I want something good for Glenn Maxwell so again I will defend president trump on this, but look these are the worst of the worst criminals that use their wealth and their power, and their connections to prey on young children, every single one of them should be put in prison for life quickly. And given very little. Hope of living a meaningful life after that I can't think I can think of something more evil than this, but it's just at the top level of how evil and human being can become, and they thought they would get away with it. They thought what they were doing was perfectly fine to create sex slaves and bring them the New Mexico an island, the Caribbean and Bill Clinton. I can't wait. Wait to see you in handcuffs if bill. Clinton is not going handcuffs because of this then we don't have a justice system that simple Bill Clinton in jail within a year from today doesn't happen. I will lose faith in our justice system. We know he went to the island. We know he was underage girls. We have plenty of people that are testified with that. It's time to put that MEGLOMANIAC. In jail next question. Hey Charlie Ohio and Indiana governors have both announced a statewide mask law both Republicans last time I, checked. There were no laws passed, but just edicts from governors. Is this legal connor from Texas Hi Connor from Texas? Look on, be very honest. I'm not a fan of these mask mandates. If you WANNA, wear masks. That's liberty. That's fine. If you WANNA wear Abraham Lincoln hat, you can wear that, too. If you WANNA wear a New York Yankees hat. That's fine. If you think it's going to help you, do not force me to wear a mask. It's that simple. I'M NOT GONNA. Do it I'm not the only time I comply is on the airlines. Actually need to fly the airlines. They'll do my job and travel the country, so I can deliver. Truth to you and make an income and grow turning point, USA, so that's the fight I. do not fight, but every single time go into one of these grocery stores. Where's your mask? I say well first of all. The size around masks is very questionable, very questionable. In fact, some people some doctors think that masks actually make you sicker, and have you less likely to be able to get oxygen and more likely to infect yourself and less likely be able to fight the virus, and actually more likely to be able to die sooner. A lot of people believe that I've met many doctors that hold that view. Secondly with a huge civil liberty issue here. Why do you have the authority? Tell me what I can and cannot do with my body I thought it was my body. My choice that that was the entire thought process as to why we are wrongly able to terminate a million children in the womb every single year, and so I just don't like being told what to do. Generally by the Federal Government, I'm not a type of person who plays well. When the government comes in and starts to say, you must put this. This on your face now I think some restrictions that I support I'm actually in the minority. I support seatbelt laws because I think seatbelts actually save lives and I actually think it's not that big of infringement on your liberty. I kind of disagree with a lot of people on this super strict. Libertarian say oh no, no seatbelts ever okay. If you fly through the window of the car, because you don't WanNa wear seatbelts and all of a sudden. I pay for your healthcare. That's ridiculous. A mask might not even work. A mask is questionable at best so the the science masks is needs to be debated more and the fact that these Republican governors are all you must wear a mask. You must wear a mask things nonsense. I I don't think it's popular. I have never met anyone aside his love wherein my mask I love it. Yeah I mean okay. I am not a fan I think it's dehumanizing when I see a four year old wearing a mask I can't think but help. We have let them down and we have robbed them of their childhood I didn't. There's something innocent something special with childhood about children be able the communicate with facial expressions, and we have robbed them from an anchorage to go back and listen to Dr Simone Gold on the Charlie Kirk show. She warned about masks. I encourage you to listen to it. Whether you're working from home or working on your fitness, you want to know what you're listening to to be actually what you're listening to not. What's your roommates or your neighbors or the garbage that? You're left wing neighbor might be listening to if they're listening to Rachel motto. You need to be able to tune it out. Guess what you can do that. With wireless ear buds from. Rakhine you can listen to the Charlie Kirk show while your friends, your neighbors, your family members are piping the young Turks. 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It's by ray dot com slash Kirk for fifteen percent off Racan wireless. By rake on dot com slash Kirk. Hi. Charlie, I need your advice I. EX friend who always asks me. How can I support a racist and homophobic person like trump? How can I combat her comments and attacks on me Dahlin will first of all you win a signed copy of the mega doctrine congratulations first of all. It's really hard. You have to I. Just come from the question of. Do you think trump is doing bad or Or do you think trump as bad very important distinction? If your friend thinks, trump means bad, then you have to try to dispel that I and that's a hard thing 'cause we actually know who's motives are what how can you actually be able to articulate what certain individuals motives are, and what they are not I think it is actually really difficult to be able to articulate. What a human! Human beings motives are and why they act in a certain way in fact I think it's dangerous to do that. I think that. If you just try to go out of your way to say I know exactly why certain person doing something well, you need a lot of evidence to to do that and we do not have that evidence at all. We actually have evidence to the contrary as As to why? Donald Trump is doing what he is doing first of all homophobic. This I'm so sick of this accusation. Donald Trump is the first incoming president in American history to support gay marriage. Now I support biblical marriage, one man one woman I do believe that gay individuals should be able to have equal access to hospital visitations and file taxes together but I do believe in biblical marriage. Marriage one man, one woman with that being said I do believe that gay people and gay conservatives should be given a full and equal footing in the conservative movement I do not believe as some people do that. Gay People should have no place whatsoever in the conservative movement. I push back against that categorically completely. We have gained vigils at work for us a turning point USA some of my. My best friends Dave Rubin other entrepreneurs that Peter thiel are openly gay, so I just think this idea that you cannot be in the conservative movement because you are gay is rubbish and nonsense, and should be categorically rejected altogether and completely and the idea of trumping a racist well. Wouldn't you think that someone is a racist has been showing their colors from multiple decades. Donald trump was revered. Revered by the Black Community Donald, trump had rap songs written about him Donald. Trump was one of the most loved individuals in Pop Culture America for decades that has all of a sudden when he decides to run for president because he was worried about losing his country, he becomes the worst thing you could possibly call somebody in our country, and the problem is because of what he said Post. Post, Charlottesville which actually he said nothing wrong. He did not call the people that were the white supremacists. Fine people. In fact he said that they were fine. People on both sides of the statue argument, which is a completely different thing, and you literally cannot refute this argument enough. They found what they wanted. They found what they thought they needed and they tried to create him into a racist. This incredibly dangerous and destructive, and in a lot of different ways it has created something that is categorically untrue at turning point USA we have hosted the nation's largest black leadership summit for two years now with hundreds and hundreds of black leaders identity Joe Biden be able to host a black leadership summit. Here's the point. Is that I think that there should and can be a seismic change happening the black community in support of president trump. We're going to have to keep on that Abi. L. M. INC is trying to make your skin color directly connected with how you vote, which is a highly racist way of looking at the world, because I think that Bela mink are the actual racists. So look best of luck to you continuing to try to communicate, that tried to be as clear as you can and convinced them that. Donald trump is the opposite of a racist. He's actually decent open minded. And Very. Accepting person who looks at people on character, not based on skin color. Here's a longer question, but an important one. Hi Charlie! My name is John Athene and I have been a huge fan of yours. Since I turned eighteen, two thousand sixteen, and voted for the first time for the Amazing Donald Trump I, listened to your podcast every single day and I watch all of your videos. You are really a great person and I. Truly Glad we have you on our side. Thank you. All that aside, though I became an atheist around my freshman year of high school, I was going through some horrible stuff at the time and had been going through bad things for years before that I lost my faith because I couldn't imagine how an all loving God could allow all of his creation to go through stuff like that. It's understandable. How is hard set? My beliefs always said I would never change my mind. Recently, though I started to question theus police and have begun searching for God again. My question to you is where do I start. Where do I begin my journey to find God again, and would I even be accepted? If I did find him, yes would be. It's something that weighs heavily on my shoulders, and on my heart, and you being a person who's deeply committed to his faith unto God. I thought maybe Oh to help me out. I appreciate any answer. You can give me and I appreciate everything you do for this country and for US conservatives. Thank you Jonathan Amazing Question. Thank you. First of all. Thank you for emailing me. Jonathan that's not an easy email to send. I have to say that believing in. Atheism is a very. Dark belief. It's a belief and nothingness. It's a belief that there is no afterlife. There is no creator and the furthest extension of it actually creates very miserable people so first thing I encourage you to do I'm sure a lot of people have told you to read the Bible, but it's actually really good advice. There's two books of the Bible. Anchorage to read proverbs and the book of John Is the two books you to read John is a great. Great Book for New Believers to read. It's about the testimony and the life of Jesus Christ. It's written incredibly well, and it's one of the most read, if not the most read book in the entire Bible with the most famous verse in the entire Bible for God's Love, the world that gave us is one and only son that whoever and believed in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life John Three sixteen. Proverbs is different. See I encourage you if you're trying to find a belief in God to ask yourself, look at the world around you. Look at how men and women are made for each other look at the laws of nature, and how they worked the laws of physics and chemistry, and how we have oxygen, the sun comes up for just about half the day and all of a sudden you start to see there's harmony all this. There's almost a synchrony. And Ask yourself this done by mistake or am I actually believe in faith of nothingness more than faith in a creator I actually think that it takes more faith to be an atheist. Then faith to believe in God I truly believe that. and. Here's a really important question to ask yourself as an atheist. Do I hope I'm wrong. Two very important question. If. You hope you are wrong. Then you want to find what is good more than what you think is correct and what is right? If. You don't hope you are wrong. Then therefore you want what you think is correct more than what is good for people that are atheists say oh i! Hope I'm correct, so you never want to see your loved ones again. You, hope that there is an afterlife. You hope that there isn't a God I also challenge you to pray. God will listen to all of us. Regardless if we are Christian. raciest prayer is a direct connection to the Almighty away that you can connect deeply to him. And finally I'm happy to go through the archaeological argument, the apologetic argument of why Jesus. Christ was a real person who walked the earth lived. A perfect life, died a brutal death, and then rose again in three days. I could summarize and say it. It, just happened, but more than that. We have four eyewitness accounts written from four different perspectives, all saying the same thing never contradicting each other about Jesus Christ testimony in a couple of decade window of Jesus. Christ walking the Earth. You also the early church, look at how fervent and committed. The early Christians were to the creation of the church. Look at how much they sacrificed from Stephen being stoned. To Paul going from a Roman Jewish persecutor to someone who died a horrendous martyred death, all of the disciples died martyr deaths. So, that might be helpful to you because you strike me as someone who really enjoys history, but more than that. There is an experiential side to your faith in Christ. Or your faith in God. And I just have to ask. So where do you start the Bible? The book of proverbs and of John I, encourage you to read mere Christianity. It's phenomenal if you are more logical person and your hottest need facts. Read the case for Christ by Lee Strobel case for Christ by Lee, Strobel. It is one of the most factual. Defenses of the. Life. Death Burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, someone who started as an atheist and then became. A Bible believing Christian and one of the most effective evangelist across the world. And I can tell you this. You will go through ups and downs in your struggle, and believe it or not. There is a God and might say God doesn't love us. How could God create all the suffering? But God created you. and. You believe that you have agency I'm sure. And if you believe that you have agency, and you have some choice. then. You are able to choose that gift. He gave us. Which is Jesus Christ? And for those of you that are out there. That might be struggling right now. Suit is life even worth it there, meaning. Of course there is yes. Things do get better. And as a Christian of course, I talk about how you need to accept. Jesus Christ and go to Church and take responsibility for your life and stop doing things that you know are bad for you and feel good in the short term and believe in delayed gratification, and maybe stopped drinking and stopped doing drugs, and maybe stop watching that. Hort harmful thing on television and maybe stop playing video games all day, and maybe you should exercise more. You know the answer. Those you know what's good for you and what's not I'm just telling you start doing those things because that will actually give you a more meaningful life. It's really interesting. Because the way, the culture is programmed towards us, we are. We are supposed to believe that the late nights on Friday night till two am where you drink endlessly, and you don't even remember what you did or your promiscuous in some other capacity like that's GonNa give you meaning it won't. He'll actually make really miserable. In fact, what would you meaning is actually stopping doing those things because you're aiming at something that will actually give you fulfilment. And so if you're going through a really tough time right now I get it. Our country is shutdown, and we're in political turmoil, but this too shall pass in so that verse exodus that says this too shall pass. It has two meanings. It means that if you're going through something bad. Going through something that is unfortunate. End. But also means that you're going through something good. That too will end so enjoy. It has a dual meeting. So means whatever you are going through right now. It's not a state of permanency not might feel like it is my like an endless root. See, we ask Russians talk enough about how we are able to apply the teachings of Christ. and not necessarily live a more floor shing life I think that is nonsensical, Prosperity Gospel stuff, but a more meaningful life, and then that's a huge difference. And of course, maybe want to flourish, and I support Adema free-market Guy I think that flourishing is good, and I think the more flashing. We have will be able to give back to the kingdom. But let's talk about meaning before we talk about material flourishing. meaning. In in the sense of the word is that you wake up every single day? And you have something worth protecting and preserving that you have something when someone tries to go and destroy something. You're willing to sacrifice for that something that is beautiful. That has got. It might be care to my job might be worked, and that's one of the tragedies of our generation is that you've been told not to marry been told the not married till certain age, you've been told to just indulge yourself in endless substances, and somehow that's going to make you the happiest person in the world, and you know that's not the case. Listen to this, but even beyond that. I'm a big believer in self offering I encourage you to look it up. Self authoring type it into your search engine. Jordan Peterson does this exercise were he'll walk you through it and you take out a piece of paper and you map out for a couple of minutes straight exactly what you think your life might look like with meaning a couple years from now two years from now, and you chart to take tangible steps, and you remove three things from your life. That might be getting in the way of achieving that. This idea of nothing but indulgence no responsibility will create a miserable generation kind of tie the question together Jonathan I e entered in direction there. I truly believe that if you believe in God. If. You believe in a higher power. You truly do and you act like. It's you don't just say gone exist, but you act like God exists God that judges you God that loves you. Then I think that you'll really be able to break yourself free. Which Christ does from that suffering that you wants encountered earlier in your life which? Is Horrific. You didn't go into detail on it, but I can understand it because the kind of suffering that you go through early in your life can be very formative, and can be almost a form of prison sentence for you for the rest of your life and I understand that and I get that. However. What if I told you that? That doesn't have to be your destiny? What if I told you that? The shackles that you think you're wearing does not have to be the life that you have to live. In fact, a complete can be the exact opposite. In fact, it can be a place that you are proud. Once happened, and you learn so much from it and you saw that you can actually live a meaningful life, and you can't. So if you're asking yourself the question, do I give up. The answer is absolutely not. The answer is that you live in a country that you agency. That gives you freedom of choice and religion at least to the recording of this podcast. And go pursue what is meaningful and good, and what is true and what is? Proven to make people live lives that give you responsibility and fulfillment. So, Jonathan keep going. I will pray for you. and. I am deeply committed to my faith in God, and I'm a sinner, just like everyone else. We all are. We all fall short. We believe in original sin. No in his poem is perfect. I can tell you though what gives me. Meaning is when I start to get messages from people where they say. Charlie I used to believe this, and now I believe that or Charlie I was close toward self harm, and you were able to help me that that really meaningful. In fact, it's a lot more meaningful than just. Getting some award from somebody, and that's that doesn't really give you what gives you. Meaning is when you actually have connection to a human being. and. You're able to see that you're helping them, so encourage you to pursue that. Jonathan thank you so much for the question. These are questions that we are getting free. Metallic Kirk Dot. COM FREEDOM AT CHARLIE KIRK DOT com. This is from Connie luncheon. I can't thank you enough for your podcast on cancel culture. I needed to hear everything you said having been through some really bad thoughts of late since the political issues have escalated I've had a difficult situation at. At Church, the pastor, whom I fall forever as helped, ground me in Christianity and happened to mention speaking with Sharpton following. Minnesota Minneapolis writes my goodness. I couldn't believe that there's more, but that's the short of it anyway. It has made me question everything I know that pastor is not God, but that along with this country and my personal issues right now have left me a really difficult and confusing place I. don't even know why I'm on this planet any longer. What you said astounded me I never expected it. Then you said Moines Iowa so coincidence by found interesting. That's where I'm at anyway. I feel like God really used you in my life for good, and I wanted you to know there are not words for how much I appreciate needed to hear what you said. A Post that podcast parlor and subscribe to an apple God bless sincerely Connie. Will that that gives you meaning, thank you Connie. That's what I need to hear and wow. It's incredible, so thank you, so look. Let's close that this podcast on this note and again we are a comprehensive podcast. We cover sports. We cover culture. We cover religion Meka for philosophy Ravi cicle cover politics. We are a one stop shop podcast, and we give me more content than the other show out there, but for those of you that are struggling out there. and. You say what to look for. A lot is the answer. In in fact, there's a beautiful life waiting for you there is. And if you make a series of very methodical choices and believe in the principle of delayed gratification, that life is right there for the taking. And I know it might not seem that way, but if you do something that is good. Every day. For a long period of time, all of a sudden things will start to happen. If you save a dollar a day for a decade. You'll have a very serious amount of money. If you go out of your way to act as ethically as you possibly can at the very best tell the truth, but at least don't lie. Don't lie to yourself. You see a lot of self. Misery comes in lying to yourself. As soon as you are brutally honest with yourself, and all the sudden, you can break yourself. Free this. What Christ talks about setting yourself free from sin? Because when you lie, you're actually than a captive to that truth that you told the world. So for example when you say to yourself. And, it doesn't really matter if I keep on eating ice cream to two am who cares? No actually does matter. That's a lie. You're telling yourself and all of a sudden does make you very happy. You've all that sugar and and. Mike gained some weight because of it. And, so if you're trying to find a way to break out and breakthrough here's. Three concrete. Can do in the next two weeks. If you're just kind of in a Rut and I just can't get out of this. This can't here's some three things number one. Stop doing one thing that you consciously. No is not good for you. Stop It. quit doing it. You know what that is. Stop it number to exercise every single day. Motion is directly related to emotion might be a walk might be weightlifting might be doing something with with sports, our friends. That's number two number three learn something by the end of the day. You didn't know at the beginning of the day. In might be listening to this podcast. It might be reading a great book which you can do so unthinking dot Org Slash Charlie, which we've talked about before thinker dot. Org Slash, Charlie, it might be. Exploring a philosopher. But instead of watching that trash on television, a Netflix and I flip through Netflix's the other night I was repulsed. I mean it's all just social programming designed to hypnotize us to hate our country. It's just awful. Maybe. You're going to explore a big idea. Maybe you're going to write down that idea for two weeks Internet say I'm. GonNa. Try to be a better understanding of that. For example that idea that Jonathan said how good God create the world the way it is if he loved us. With there's a lot of good scholarship on that. You're not the first person to come up with that question. Okay, break you. Ravi Zacharias other people have explored that great lengths. It's worth going towards him so if you stop doing that one thing you exercise every day and you wrestle the big idea all of a sudden. You're going to start to realize. That your entire tonal level will elevate all of a sudden. You'RE GONNA start to think more clearly. You're going GONNA. See things with direction. And I'm going to tell you. If you make good choices, you will be rewarded for those choices you will. We live in a country. Still that allows you to do that. Try to be a better person today than you were yesterday. Be Nicer to people. Be More gentle and we'll fall short of this. It's part of the human condition. But ask yourself. Am I generally moving in a direction? That will make my life have more meaning and the people around me have more meaning. Sea We are not meant to just be self isolated individuals. We are built to be a community. That's far from the same thing that saying Michel have collective ownership. But if you are not positively impacting the people around you. Then you. Yourself are probably not having meaning. So. Maybe find one thing. You're good at and pour into somebody else. Might help along the way we're happy to dive into that more, but if you guys want to email me and how I can help you freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot Com Freedom Charlie Kirk Dot com on a thank those of you that helps support our program at Charlie Kirk. DOT, com slash support trolley, KIRK DOT com slash support type in trolley Kirk. Show your podcast provider hit subscribe. Give us a five star review. Get involved turning point us. ATP USA DOT COM TYPE USA DOT COM. If you're listening to this and you're saying, my life has no worth. You're wrong, it does. Do those three things. Pray read the book of proverbs. Book of John Me with anything struggling with I. do read all the emails freedom trolley dot, com prematurely, KIRK DOT com. Thank you guys so much talk soon God bless.

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WHO's a friend of mine and I have a lot of respect for Glenn Beck Makes Teddy Roosevelt most public enemy number one of, and he argues that it is the beginning of the progressive movement. Ben Shapiro, and his book was awfully critical of Teddy Roosevelt Teddy. Roosevelt, I think it's an unfair and really bad rap amongst conservatives, and you actually dive deep into what Teddy Roosevelt believed in why he believed that I think that There's a lot to be learned in there. Some things we can disagree with but I kind of going into history of Teddy Roosevelt interestingly enough. He was born in New York. Harvard educated where he said quote I learned nothing of great value of my time at Harvard. Harvard hasn't changed very much. One Hundred Years He ended up becoming governor of new. York, but before that really interesting teddy. Roosevelt was. Was One of the first advocates of the American, police force. He was the commissioner of the new. York Police Department of the New, York City Police Department did a great job. Huge decrease in New York City crime. He actually ended up running the rough riders, which fought nice little conflict in Cuba. That came very famous. Teddy Roosevelt was very pragmatic. He was a man's man. He was a famous outdoorsman He was incredibly politically ambitious loved. America does make that very clear. His motives were all about a strong and cohesive America. That represented the middle class of our country again. He was very pragmatic. He was willing to try out new ideas. He wanted to run for. The presidency wasn't really sure the way to do that? And becoming selected for the vice president position for McKinley. McKinley ends up getting shot and then Teddy Roosevelt takes over almost the entire term for William McKinley and served two terms almost three Teddy Roosevelt was best known for his trust busting going after the mass of companies that were basically running America in very strict libertarian circles. They will say that this is This was awful over. Each of power was Miss Misrepresentation history say they were abusing their power. There might be some truth to that, but the more I've. I've studied it from impartial observers I. Think it's fair to say that. Mass consolidation of corporate power was a violation of human liberty and freedom in certain parts of the country, and I think that Teddy Roosevelt generally acted correctly in that sense Teddy Roosevelt built our national parks. This is probably what I think. We can learn the most from from him. He was a huge believer in preserving our national treasures of Yosemite National Park Grand Canyon. Grand Teton National Park. The glacier national park the CODA. Badlands is actually where he got his start as an outdoorsman. Teddy Roosevelt probably could have ran for a third term and won a third term. He step down because of something that his distant cousin relative Franklin Delano. Roosevelt decided not to do where he was elected. To four terms. Really only serving three died in his fourth term. Teddy Roosevelt decided to groom a successor he he groomed the very large William Howard. Taft. Bigeye, the fattest present in American history, and actually famously got stuck in a bathtub because he was so big William Howard. Taft changed the direction of the Republican Party from from away that. Teddy Roosevelt Justin like because of that Teddy. The trade ended up primary and William Howard Taft in that Republican primary. Unsuccessfully than ended up starting the Bull Moose Party William Howard Taft, and Teddy Roosevelt, both then split the Republican vote about twenty, five, twenty, five, each, which then elected one of the worst presidents in American history woodrow. Wilson no look Teddy Roosevelt. Was a complicated figure won a Nobel peace, prize, that's a fun cocktail party fact for ending the Rush Oh Japan war. I think we can use Teddy Roosevelt as someone who was a patriot I might have pushed the boundaries of executive power too much for some people, but generally made decisions that were in the best interests, the middle class and the worker and the every day man. I'm also a big fan of Dwight D Eisenhower. We've talked about that in a previous episode of the Charlie Kirk Show. We can dive in to that more next question Charlie. What are your thoughts on President Trump's recent announcement that he will be sending a surge of troops into cities like Chicago to combat growing violence. Is this the right move? Jeff from Indiana will. Jeff will first of all. My Home City is Chicago. I am proud to be from Chicago. Violence in Chicago has been. Out of control for an incredibly long period of time, so I'm from Chicago, just had a little. Update in Chicago in July so far there have been seventy five people shot and killed in Chicago three hundred and fifty seven people shot and wounded four hundred thirty two people total shot in eighty five total homicides, just in the last week, just in the last six days, thirteen shot, and killed sixty six shot, and wounded seventy nine total shot in fourteen homicides, and so far in two, thousand, twenty, three, hundred and eighty three shot, and killed one, thousand, seven, hundred, sixty seven shot, and wounded two, thousand, one, hundred fifty total shot with four hundred and twenty six homicides. A. Person is shot in Chicago. Every two hours and sixteen minutes and a person is murdered in Chicago every eleven hours and twenty eight minutes, so to say that Chicago is going in the right direction would be complete and total misrepresentation of the data. The average age of a shooting victim in Chicago is twenty nine point two years old, and the average race is unfortunately black, and most of the people doing the shooting are black on black crimes. So look Chicago has long been a center of Violence Asai Center of the and blood in the streets I fully support president trump bringing in the troops to. Quell this conflict, seventy seven percent of all the victims that die in Chicago are black every single year so I I want to start with Lori lightfoot. WHO's an imbecile? She's a complete and total imbecile. She's a corrupt. Individual who's probably owned by the street gangs well known in Chicago. That politicians and Alderman take money under the table from street gangs. It's just how it works why they do not police certain corners. It's why they do not investigate crimes. It's why most Chicago murders actually go unsolved. So according to the Chicago Tribune, there been forty thousand homicides in Chicago in the last sixty three years, so the last sixty three years, forty thousand people have killed each other. In Chicago. Just to give an idea and police solve fewer than one in six killings, so the police solve less than fifteen percent of all the murders, so that means that eighty five percent of murders go unsolved, and a huge part of this is because the gangs tell the police and they tell the Alderman. You're not allowed here. We'll take care of this ourselves, and so you kind of put that altogether they run the city, so lory lightfoot, who again is a total imbecile. She's incredibly corrupt might be getting cash onto the table. Who knows? She says that trump is not welcome in our city. Play tape. That's not democracy that we saw unfolding on the streets a Portland as a result of this federal action. That's what we call tyranny and dictatorship, and we are not having it in Chicago. Since we the president and his. Team started to rattle the saber that they were going to do exactly the same thing in Chicago that they'd done in Portland I've been very clear. Not Happening in Chicago, we don't need federal troops look lory. lightfoot knows nothing about Chicago I was raised in the suburbs of Chicago I. Know Chicago very well the only way you can solve this problem. Is You bring federal troops into the city and you start solving these crimes using the Federal Bureau of Investigation. You say we are not going to leave until there are no more children being shot in the streets now president trump has defended the move based on refusal of local politicians to protect their citizens. Play tape today I'm announcing surge of federal law enforcement into American. Communities plagued by violent crime. Will work every single day to restore public safety protect our nation's children and bring violent perpetrators to justice. We've been doing it and you've been seeing what's happening all around the country. We've just started this process. And frankly we have no choice but to get involved so just to reiterate thirty four thousand of forty thousand murders in Chicago have gone unsolved. You want to get away with murder. You can literally get away with murder in the city of Chicago. Senator Cruz introduced a bill to hold local officials liable for allowing violent autonomous zones called the reclaim act. Now Mind you. Democrats are not gonNA. Do anything with any of this black lives being obliterated. Do It doesn't matter the Democrat Party and this is what's so funny to the NBA the. National Basketball Association they have just revealed their new court that says black lives matter on the the court where they are going to be playing their. Social Justice playoff in their self contained little bubble in. Orlando What they do not mention. At all is the seventy seven percent of black homicides. Semi's of homicides in Chicago. You're are black. They don't mention it because all that matters to them is the fact that a black individual was killed by a white police officer despite the fact that they knew each other. For quite a while leading up to it. The NBA doesn't care about that at all so I. completely support it. There is one downside which is, they are going to try to use against president. Trump politically if it doesn't go well I don't see that possibly. Happening how it doesn't go well, they're all of a sudden and then blame all the violence that might continue to happen on president trump. This is something that. I can tell you that. Governors and mayors in these cities have failed their citizens so horribly lory lightfoot J. B. Pritzker. WHO's a trust fund baby who has never worked a day in his life, he was born on third and thought he hit a triple. And if you think William Howard Taft was a big guy, Jay Pritzker has beat by double. All I have to say. Jay Pritzker runs for the president. He would have William Howard. Taft William Howard Taft was like a criss cross fit athlete compared to Jay Pritzker Okay Jay. Pritzker is one of the most despicable human beings. I've ever had a chance to meet I. Know This guy. He is a socialist through and through never worked at honest, Dina's life, he inherited the Pritzker family fortune, and every time you stay at a high. High at hotel, you're making Jay Pritzker. Penny, pritzker richer relate. It's all this in Portland recently, Joe Biden accused federal law enforcement of quote, brutally attacking peaceful protesters around the federal courthouse in Portland Federal officers are operating quit without a clearly defined mandate of authority Biden, said in a statement, adding that the White House is quote trying to stoke the fires of division in our country. This is nonsense, peaceful protesters. Button probably has not seen the video of the nightly assaults on the courthouse. And I encourage you to look at the videos of police officers literally under fire, literally being had think throw things thrown at them and forty eight of them being injured, but of course the media decides not to cover that the media decides not to talk about that instead. The activist media talks about how Donald Trump wants to take over the inner cities. Well, it is America to him to and these are not autonomous zones, and actually donald trump cares about black lives being lost. Donald trump cares about black children being shot. Donald Trump cares about. About black families being torn apart, Joe Biden does not care about black lives. Being lost. The Democrats. Don't care about black lives being lost Barack. Obama does not care about black lives being lost for then they think Oh, yeah, a couple thousand black people year being killed in Chicago Detroit Philadelphia Atlanta. Who cares unless of a police officer dares do something that is not correct, then all the sudden. They're mobilizing people in the streets of course Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the entire BLM INC industry. They're silent, because this is not fit their political agenda. There is rioting, arson and murder happening in the streets of our great cities. Criminals are on the loose. Democrat governors are releasing criminals by the thousands. California announced. They're going to release another ten thousand criminals. They might be coming for your home next. Are you protected? 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Report named it the best overall home security of two thousand twenty try simplisafe today, simplisafe dot com slash Charlie you get free shipping and a sixty day risk-free trial. There's nothing to lose except your life if you don't have security. Go to simplisafe DOT COM Slash Charlie. There is something to lose. Everything, you care about so get some security and get tough simplisafe. Dot Com Slash Charlie. Next question from Jack. Charlie love your podcast, and thanks for all you do I was recently discussing the most recent death of the judge's son, and injuring of her husband who were connected the Epstein case, I was recently it. Trump was connected with Epstein to and made trips out to his island. Is this true? Thanks can jack. No, we have no evidence. Evidence that Donald Trump ever went to the island period Barnum Donald. Trump and Jeffrey abstain were not France. In fact, he threw Jeffrey Epstein out of mar-a-lago, because Jeffrey Epstein was trying to proposition, young girls at his club Mar-a-lago in fact, Donald Trump, in two, thousand, fifteen at CPAC warned us about LALITA experts. Bill Clinton Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell Play Tape Bill Clinton. Nice Guy. Got A lot of problems coming up in my opinion with the famous island with Jeffrey Epstein. Donald Trump again was ahead of the Curve Donald. Trump has been on the right side of child, sex, trafficking, and the horror, and the sin of it make no mistake, Jeffrey Epstein, one of the most disgusting people ever to exist in the history of our country. He used his power, his wealth, and his prestige to traffic, young girls and prey on them sexually. It's one of the most disgusting things a human being can do. Now. People say Charlie to Jeffrey Epstein Kill himself. I don't know that, but it certainly looks like he didn't kill himself. That's all I have to say. In fact, even if you go look a pedia page, it says that. Death Cause of death questionable. Yeah, I think that's probably fair now. They're gonNA. Try to kill Lane Maxwell now. Who is they just so you understand the ruling class across the world, not the same ruling class always talk about here, but people in the Royal Family and heads of state, the very perverse and fascination with taking advantage of young children. It's just something that has always existed in the highest levels of authority and power all across. The world, it's nothing new. It's a very strange thing when you start to look at even thousands of years ago and Aztec Peruvian archaeology and Egyptian archaeology how people were so invested in child, exploitation and child sacrifice very strange and be very bizarre. Conclusions there however. Glenn Maxwell is now public enemy number one because she has all the secrets on all these people that actually went to the island. Now Mind you. I I think we to dismiss from our nomenclature. Oh that's a conspiracy theory. Well guess what I'm GonNa. Be Honest with you guys in two thousand thirteen. I was at a dinner in Palm Beach. I'll tell you a true story. I was at a dinner with Palm Beach with three billionaires. That were very well connected. And one of the billionaire said Yeah, you know Jeffrey who lives down the street from her. You know that he's tr- sex trafficking girls his mansion. And two of the people said that's a lie. That's a conspiracy theory. Stop saying of course end up being true and he was convicted previously for doing it. So just because someone says a conspiracy theory doesn't mean it's necessarily untrue. It's actually been proven to be true now and now there's a federal investigation. After failed investigation for doing that now. None of the people at the table were involved in doing it on. They just knew about it. It was the worst kept secret in Palm Beach for a decade and a half, and yet it was just allowed to happen because it was important people that were doing it. And, so I hope every single one of these people wrought and burn these people. That engage in this unspeakable horror with by the way the left is now trying to normalize pedophilia. There is a Ted talk out there where they try to normalize pedophilia. There has been new. York Times articles written trying to say that pedophilia is something that we should accept so just and -ticipant that the left is going to try to normalize the exploitation of children. It's just part of their new agenda, and if you don't believe me, go look it up yourself. So then you have president. Trump asked about Glenn Maxwell at the press conference. Play tape wondering. Do you feel? Powerful men. Have you see that out and then president trump says. He wishes d'alene well play tape. I don't know I haven't really been following it too much. I just wish it well. Frankly I've met her numerous times over the years especially since I lived in Palm Beach and I guess they lived in Palm Beach but I wish her well. Whatever it is I don't know the situation with Prince Andrew. Just don't know now. I think this is being really played up as something that it's not I think that people say oh. Donald Trump wants what's best for. For a child trafficker now I actually think he was sarcastically saying I. Don't think this is going to end very well for her. And that's all I can say about that. I think that just knowing Donald Trump in the way he communicates, I'm GonNa totally depend on this unfair to attack them on here and people said he misspoke and I I I just don't agree. I think that he's saying. I don't think this is gonNA end well for her people around her. That's kind of the tone I got. Think probably wouldn't better be better if he said it, but I found nothing wrong with what he said because I put it in context of his prior statements I don't actually think he was saying I wish I! Want something good for Glenn Maxwell so again. I will defend president trump on this, but look these are the worst of the worst criminals that use their wealth and their power, and their connections to prey on young children. Every single one of them should be put in prison for life. And given very little. Hope of living a meaningful life after that I can't think I can think of something more evil than this, but it's just at the top level of how evil and human being can become, and they thought they would get away with it. They thought what they were doing was perfectly fine to create sex slaves and bring them the New Mexico an island, the Caribbean and Bill Clinton. I can't wait. Wait to see you in handcuffs if Bill Clinton is not going handcuffs because of this than we don't have a justice system that simple Bill Clinton in jail within a year from today doesn't happen. I will lose faith in our justice system. We know he went to the island. We know he was underage girls. We have plenty of people that are testified with that. It's time to put that MEGLOMANIAC. In jail next question. Hey, Charlie Ohio and Indiana governors have both announced a statewide mask law. Both Republicans last time I checked, there were no laws passed, but just edicts from governors. Is this legal connor from Texas Hi Connor from Texas. Look on, be very honest. I'm not a fan of these mask mandates. If you WANNA, wear masks, that's that's fine if you WANNA. Wear Abraham Lincoln hat you can. Can wear that, too, if you WANNA wear a new. York Yankees Hat. That's fine. If you think it's going to help you, do not force me to wear a mask. It's that simple. I'M NOT GONNA. Do it I'm not the only time I comply is on the airlines because I need to fly the airlines. They'll do my job and travel the country, so I can deliver. Truth to you and make an income and grow turning point USA so. That's the fight I do not fight, but every single time go into one of these grocery stores. Where's your mask? I? Say well first of all the size around masks very questionable very questionable. In fact some people some doctors think that masks actually make you sicker, and have you less likely to be able to get oxygen and more likely to infect yourself and less likely be able to fight the virus, and actually more likely to be able to die sooner. A lot of people believe that I've met many doctors that hold that view. Secondly with a huge civil liberty issue here. Why do you have the authority? Tell me what I can and cannot do with my body I thought it was my body. My choice that that was the entire thought process as to why we are wrongly able to terminate a million children in the womb, every single year and so i. just don't like being told what to do. Generally by the federal government. I'm not a type of person who plays well. When the government comes in and starts to say, you must put this. This on your face now I think some restrictions that I support I'm actually in the minority. I support seatbelt laws because I think seatbelts actually save lives and I actually think it's not that big of infringement on your Liberty I kind of disagree with a lot of people on this super strict Libertarian say oh, no, no seatbelts, ever okay. If you fly through the window of the car, because you don't WanNa wear seatbelts and all of a sudden I pay for your healthcare. That's ridiculous. A mask might not even work. A mask is questionable at best so the the science masks is needs to be debated more and the fact that these Republican governors are all you must wear a mask. You must wear a mask things nonsense. I I. Don't think it's popular. I have never met anyone aside his love wherein my mask I love it. Yeah I mean okay. I am not a fan I think it's dehumanizing when I see a four year old wearing a mask I can't think but help. We have let them down and we have robbed them of their childhood. I didn't. There's something innocent something special with a childhood about children be able the communicate with facial expressions, and we have robbed them from an anchorage to go back and listen to Dr Simone Gold on the Charlie Kirk show. She warned about masks I. Encourage you to listen to it. Whether you're working from home or working on your fitness. You want to know what you're listening to to be actually what you're listening to not. What's your roommates or your neighbors or the garbage that? 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The no dangling wires are stems to distract anyone during video calls. You've heard me talk about how the company was founded by Ray J and Cardi B.. She's a criminal, but she's a nice person. Are Obsessed with recounts. Pick up a pair and see what the hype is all about, so go to buy RECON DOT com slash Kirk. It's by Ray dot. COM SLASH KIRK for fifteen percent off Roy Ray con wireless. By rake on dot com slash Kirk. Hi Charlie I. Need Your Advice, I ex friend who always asks me? How can I support a racist and homophobic person like trump? How can I combat her comments and attacks on me? Dahlin will first of all you win a signed copy of the mega doctrine congratulations first of all. It's really hard. You have to I. Just come from the question of. Do you think trump is doing bad or Or do you think trump means bad very important distinction? If your friend thinks, trump means bad, then you have to try to dispel that I and that's a hard thing. 'cause we actually know who's motives are what how can you actually be able to articulate what certain individuals motives are and what they are not I think it is actually really difficult to be able to articulate. What a human! Human beings motives are and why they act in a certain way. In fact. I think it's dangerous to do that I. think that if you just try to go out of your way to say, I know exactly why certain person doing something well. You need a lot of evidence to to do that and we do not have that evidence at all. We actually have evidence to the contrary as As to why Donald? Trump is doing what he is doing. First of all homophobic this. I'm so sick of this accusation Donald Trump is the first incoming president in American history to support gay marriage now I support biblical marriage one man, one woman. I do believe that gay individuals should be able to have equal access to hospital visitations and file taxes together but I do believe in biblical marriage. Marriage One man one woman with that being said I do believe that gay people and gay conservatives should be given a full and equal footing in the conservative movement. I do not believe as some people do that. Gay People should have no place whatsoever in the conservative movement I push back against that categorically completely. We have gained vigils at work for us a turning point USA some of my. My best friends Dave Rubin Other entrepreneurs that Peter thiel are openly gay, so I just think this idea that you cannot be in the conservative movement because you are gay is rubbish and nonsense, and should be categorically rejected altogether and completely and an idea of trumping a racist well. Wouldn't you think that someone is a racist has been showing their colors from multiple decades. Donald trump was revered. Revered by the Black Community Donald Trump had rap songs written about him. Donald Trump was one of the most loved individuals in Pop Culture America for decades that has all of a sudden when he decides to run for president because he was worried about losing his country, he becomes the worst thing you could possibly call somebody in our country, and the problem is because of what he said Post. Post Charlottesville, which actually he said nothing wrong. He did not call the people that were the white supremacists. Fine people. In fact he said that they were fine. People on both sides of the statue argument, which is a completely different thing, and you literally cannot refute this argument enough. They found what they wanted. They found what they thought they needed and they tried to create him into a racist. This incredibly dangerous and destructive, and in a lot of different ways it has created something that is categorically untrue at turning point USA hosted the nation's largest black leadership summit for two years now with hundreds and hundreds of black leaders identity Joe Biden. Be Able to host a black leadership summit. Here's the point. Is that I think that there should and can be a seismic change happening the black community in support of president trump? We're going to have to keep on that Abi l. m.. INC is trying to make your skin color directly connected with how you vote, which is a highly racist way of looking at the world, because I think that Bela mink are the actual racists. So. Look best of luck to you. Continuing to try to communicate, that tried to be as clear as you can and convinced them that Donald Trump is the opposite of a racist. He's actually decent open minded. And very, Accepting person who looks at people on character, not based on skin color. Here's a longer question, but an important one. Hi Charlie, my name is Jonathan and I have been a huge fan since I turned eighteen, two thousand sixteen, and voted for the first time for the amazing Donald Trump. I listened to your podcast every single day and I watch all of your videos. You are really a great person and I. Truly Glad we have you on our side. Thank you. All that aside though I became an atheist around my freshman year of high school, I was going through some horrible stuff at the time and had been going through bad things for years before that. I lost my faith because I couldn't imagine how an all loving God could allow all of his creation to go through stuff like that. It's understandable. How is hard set? My beliefs always said I would never change my mind. Recently though I started to question theus police and have begun searching for God again. My question to you is where do I start? Where do I begin my journey to find God again and would I even be accepted if I did find him, yes would be. It's something that weighs heavily on my shoulders, and on my heart, and you being a person who's deeply committed to his faith unto God I thought maybe Oh to help me out I. appreciate any answer. You can give me and I appreciate everything you do for this country and for US conservatives. Thank you Jonathan. Amazing question, thank you. First of all, thank you for emailing me Jonathan. That's not an easy email to send. I have to say that believing in. Atheism is a very. Dark belief. It's a belief and nothingness. It's a belief that there is no afterlife. There is no creator and the furthest extension of it actually creates very miserable people so first thing I encourage you to do. I'm sure a lot of people have told you to read the Bible, but it's actually really good advice. There's two books of the Bible Anchorage to read proverbs, and the book of John is the two books. Encourage you to read. John is a great. Great Book for New Believers to read. It's about the testimony and the life of Jesus Christ. It's written incredibly well, and it's one of the most read, if not the most read book in the entire Bible with the most famous verse in the entire Bible for God's love. The world that gave us is one, and only son that whoever and believed in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John Three Sixteen. Proverbs is different. See I. Encourage you. If you're trying to find a belief in God to ask yourself, look at the world around you. Look at how men and women are made for each other look at the laws of nature, and how they worked the laws of physics and chemistry, and how we have oxygen, the sun comes up for just about half the day and all of a sudden you start to see there's harmony all this. There's almost a synchrony. And Ask yourself this done by mistake or am I actually believe in faith of nothingness more than faith in a creator I, actually think that it takes more faith to be an atheist. Then faith to believe in God. I truly believe that. And, here's a really important question to ask yourself as an atheist. Do I. Hope. I'm wrong two very important question. If you hope you are wrong. Then you want to find what is good more than what you think is correct and what is right? If you don't hope you are wrong. Then therefore you want what you think is correct more than what is good for people that are atheists say? Oh, I hope I'm correct, so you never want to see your loved ones again. You hope that there is an afterlife. You hope that there isn't a God I also challenge you to pray. God will listen to all of us. Regardless if we are Christian. raciest prayer is a direct connection to the Almighty away that you can connect deeply to him. And finally I'm happy to go through the archaeological argument, the apologetic argument of why Jesus Christ was a real person who walked the earth lived a perfect life, died a brutal death, and then rose again in three days. I could summarize and say it. It just happened, but more than that. We have four eyewitness accounts written from four different perspectives, all saying the same thing never contradicting each other about Jesus Christ testimony in a couple of decade window of Jesus Christ walking the Earth. Mind you also the early church, look at how fervent and committed the early Christians were to the creation of the church. Look at how much they sacrificed from Stephen being stoned. To Paul, going from a Roman, Jewish persecutor to someone who died a horrendous martyred death. All of the disciples died martyr deaths. So that might be helpful to you because you strike me as someone who really enjoys history, but more than that. There is an experiential side to your faith in Christ. Or your faith in God. And I just have to ask. So where do you start the Bible? The book of proverbs and of John I encourage you to read mere Christianity. It's phenomenal if you are more logical person and your hottest need facts. Read the case for Christ by Lee. Strobel case for Christ by Lee Strobel, it is one of the most factual. Defenses of the. Life. Death burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ someone who started as an atheist and then became. A Bible believing Christian and one of the most effective evangelist across the world. And I can tell you this. You will go through ups and downs in your struggle, and believe it or not. There is a God and might say God doesn't love us. How could God create all the suffering? But God created you. And you believe that you have agency I'm sure. And if you believe that you have agency and you have some choice. Then you are able to choose that gift he gave us. Which is Jesus Christ? And for those of you that are out there. That might be struggling right now. Suit is life even worth it there, meaning. Of course there is yes. Things do get better. And as a Christian, of course, I talk about how you need to accept Jesus. Christ and go to Church and take responsibility for your life and stop doing things that you know are bad for you and feel good in the short term and believe in delayed gratification, and maybe stopped drinking and stopped doing drugs, and maybe stop watching that Hort harmful thing on television and maybe stop playing video games all day, and maybe you should exercise more. You know the answer. Those you know what's good for you and what's not? I'm just telling you start doing those things because that will actually give you a more meaningful life. It's really interesting. Because the way, the culture is programmed towards us, we are. We are supposed to believe that the late nights on Friday night till two am where you drink endlessly, and you don't even remember what you did or your promiscuous in some other capacity like that's going to give you meaning it won't. He'll actually make really miserable. In fact, what would you meaning is actually stopping doing those things because you're aiming at something that will actually give you fulfilment. And so if you're going through a really tough time right now I get it. Our whole country is shutdown, and we're in political turmoil, but this too shall pass in so that verse exodus that says this too shall pass. It has two meanings. It means that if you're going through something bad. Going through something that is unfortunate. It'll end. But also that you're going through something good. That, too will end so enjoy. It has a dual meeting. So means whatever you are going through right now. It's not a state of permanency. It's not might feel like it is my like an endless root. See we ask. Russians, talk enough about how we are able to apply the teachings of Christ. and not necessarily live a more floor, shing life I think that is nonsensical, Prosperity Gospel, stuff, but a more meaningful life, and then that's a huge difference. And of course, maybe want to flourish and I support Adema Free Guy I think that flourishing is good and I. Think the more flashing we have will be able to give back to the kingdom. But let's talk about meaning before we talk about material flourishing. meaning. In in the sense of the word is that you wake up every single day, and you have something worth protecting and preserving that you have something when someone tries to go and destroy something. You're willing to sacrifice for that something that is beautiful. That has got. It might be care to my job might be worked, and that's one of the tragedies of our generation is that you've been told not to marry been told the not married till certain age, you've been told to descend doled yourself in endless substances, and somehow that's going to make you the happiest person in the world, and you know that's not the case. Listen to this, but even beyond that. I'm a big believer in self offering I. Encourage you to look it up. Self authoring type it into your search engine. Jordan Peterson does this exercise were he'll walk you through it and you take out a piece of paper and you map out for a couple of minutes straight exactly what you think your life might look like with meaning a couple years from now two years from now, and you chart to take tangible steps, and you remove three things from your life. That might be getting in the way of achieving that. This idea of nothing but indulgence no responsibility will create a miserable generation kind of tie the question together. Jonathan I e entered in direction there. I truly believe that if you believe in God. If? You believe in a higher power. You truly do and you act like God exists. You know just say gone exists, but you act like. God exists God. That judges you God. That loves you. Then, I think that you'll really be able to break yourself free which Christ does from that suffering that you wants encountered earlier in your life which? Is Horrific. You didn't go into detail on it, but I can understand it because the kind of suffering that you go through early in your life can be very formative, and can be almost a form of prison sentence for you for the rest of your life and I understand that and I get that. However, what if I told you that? That doesn't have to be your destiny? What if I told you that? The shackles that you think you're wearing does not have to be the life that you have to live. In fact, a complete can be the exact opposite. In fact, it can be a place that you are proud. Once happened, and you learn so much from it and you saw that you can actually live a meaningful life, and you can't. So if you're asking yourself the question, do I give up? The answer is absolutely not. The answer is that you live in a country that you agency. That gives you freedom of choice and religion at least to the recording of this podcast. And go pursue what is meaningful and good, and what is true and what has? Proven to make people live lives that give you responsibility and fulfillment. So Jonathan keep going. I will pray for you. and. I am deeply committed to my faith in God and I'm a sinner just like everyone else. We all are. We all fall short. We believe in original sin. No in his poem is perfect. I can tell you though what gives me. Meaning is when I start to get messages from people where they say Charlie I used to believe this, and now I believe that or Charlie I was close toward self harm and you were able to help me. That really meaningful. In fact, it's a lot more meaningful than just. Getting some award from somebody and that's that doesn't really give you what gives you. Meaning is when you actually have connection to a human being. And you're able to see that you're helping them, so encourage you to pursue that, Jonathan. Thank you so much for the question. These are questions that we are getting free metallic Kirk Dot. com freedom at Charlie Kirk, DOT, com. This is from Connie last question. I can't thank you enough for your podcast cancel. Culture I needed to hear everything you said having been through some really bad thoughts of late since the political issues have escalated. I've had a difficult situation at. At Church, the pastor whom I fall forever as helped, ground me in Christianity and happened to mention speaking with Sharpton following Minnesota Minneapolis rights goodness. I couldn't believe that there's more, but that's the short of it anyway. It has made me question everything I know that pastor is not God, but that along with this country and my personal issues right now have left me a really difficult and confusing place I don't even know why I'm on this planet any longer. What you said astounded me. I never expected it. Then you said Moines Iowa so coincidence by found interesting. That's where I'm at anyway I feel like God really used you in my life for good and I wanted you to know there are not words for how much I appreciate needed to hear what you said. A Post that podcast parlor and subscribe to an apple God bless sincerely Connie. Will that that gives you meaning. Thank you, Connie. That's what I need to hear and wow. It's incredible, so thank you, so look. Let's close that this podcast on this note and again we are a comprehensive podcast. We cover sports. We cover culture. We cover religion Meka for Philosophy Robbie. CICLE cover politics. We are a one stop shop podcast, and we give me more content than the other show out there, but for those of you that are struggling out there. And you say what to look for. A lot is the answer. In in fact, there's a beautiful life waiting for you there is. And if you make a series of very methodical choices and believe in the principle of delayed gratification, that life is right there for the taking. And I know it might not seem that way, but if you do something that is good. Every day. For a long period of time, all of a sudden things will start to happen. If, you save a dollar a day for a decade. You'll have a very serious amount of money. If you! Go Out of your way to act as ethically as you possibly can at the very best tell the truth, but at least don't lie. Don't lie to yourself. You see a lot of self. Misery comes in lying to yourself. As soon as you are brutally honest with yourself, and all the sudden, you can break yourself free this. What Christ talks about setting yourself free from sin. Because when you lie, you're actually than a captive to that untrue that you told the world. So for example when you say to yourself. And it doesn't really matter if I keep on eating ice cream to two am who cares? No actually does matter. That's a lie. You're telling yourself and all of a sudden does make you very happy. You've all that sugar and and. Mike gained some weight because of it. And so, if you're trying to find a way to break out and breakthrough, here's. Three concrete. Do in the next two weeks. If you're just kind of in a Rut, and I just can't get out of this, this can't. Here's some three things number one. Stop doing one thing that you consciously. No is not good for you. Stop It. quit doing it. You know what that is. Stop it number to exercise every single day. Motion is directly related to emotion might be a walk might be weightlifting might be doing something with with sports, our friends. That's number two number three learn something by the end of the day. You didn't know at the beginning of the day. In might be listening to this podcast. It might be reading a great book which you can do so unthinking dot Org Slash Charlie which we've talked about before. Thinker Dot Org Slash Charlie it might be. Exploring a philosopher. But instead of watching that trash on television. A netflix and I flip through Netflix's the other night. I was repulsed I. Mean it's all just social programming decided to hypnotize us to hate our country. It's just awful. Maybe. You're going to explore a big idea. Maybe you're going to write down that idea for two weeks. Internet say try to be a better understanding of that. For example that idea that Jonathan said how good God create the world the way it is if he loved us. With there's a lot of good scholarship on that. You're not the first person to come up with that question. Okay hate to break it to. Ravi Zacharias other people have explored that great lengths. It's worth going towards him so if you stop doing that one thing you exercise every day and you wrestle the big idea all of a sudden. You're going to start to realize. That your entire tonal level will elevate all of a sudden. You'RE GONNA start to think more clearly, you're going. GonNa see things with direction. And I'm going to tell you if you make good choices. You will be rewarded for those choices you will. We live in a country. Still. That allows you to do that. Try to be a better person today than you were yesterday. Be Nicer to people. Be More gentle and we'll fall short of this. It's part of the human condition. But ask yourself am I generally moving in a direction? That will make my life have more meaning, and the people around me have more meaning. Sea We are not meant to just be self isolated individuals. We are built to be a community. That's far from the same thing that saying Michel have collective ownership. But if you are not positively impacting the people around you. Then you, yourself are probably not having meaning. So, maybe find one thing. You're good at and pour into somebody else. Might help along the way we're happy to dive into that more, but if you guys want to email me and how I can help you freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot com freedom. Charlie, Kirk Dot com on a thank those of you. That helps support our program at Kirk, dot com slash abort, trolley Kirk, dot com slash support type in trolley Kirk Show your podcast provider. Hit subscribe, give us a five star review. GET INVOLVED TURNING POINT US ATP USA DOT COM TYPE USA DOT COM. If you're listening to this and you're saying, my life has no worth. You're wrong it does. Do those three things. 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Episode #1444: The New Phil Hendrie Show

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Episode #1444: The New Phil Hendrie Show

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Don't sign up needed TV's, the easy, and completely legal way to watch your favorite TV shows and movies. So what are you waiting for? Never pay for TV again. Download Pluto TV for free on all your favorite devices today. Hey, hey. There's welcome to the world famous Phil Hendrie show from the Pacific, and southern California. This is general Kaelin Shaw and the moment is Margaret gray? But Dickman Robert Leonard, Mr. Henry. Yeah. I listen and I learn. Listening learning. Who knows welcome to our program desert mean who knows. I don't know you know that I've, I'm a little off today because we got back from Mexico. Now, the story coming up from the border is interesting. Why is it interesting guy on a bike, and he's caused all kind of problem? He wasn't causing the I don't know who is causing the problem, but there was a big long wait in line. We were in Mexico for the last three days and it was a cluster fuck. And here's why even though I love Mexico and I love where we were and I love the, the stuff we were doing the fact of the matter is that the data and the texting and the E mail and all the crap that goes on between the United States and Mexico could sometimes be you may think you've got it down. What about did you got the data? Didn't you did I get the data didn't call BT extra data. I called AT and T. And I got all I spent one hundred and twenty dollars a hundred and twenty dollars. All right. Phil don't make an age. Don't start to sound like the complaining consumer, Margaret. No, you know something. People don't want to hear you. They've got lives of their own, but you're much more difficult. They think you've got it going on. That's it Phil. They think you've got the whole thing going on. Okay. Well, you know, I may have it all going on folks, but just a couple of make it sound as if. It was. It was inconvenience that a big thing. All right. Man. So I you know, I won't yes I got it going on and everything is groovy in my life. Here's all I want to say you know, if you're down there in Mexico, and, you know, you, you suddenly say you're not getting the internet, or whatever it happens. Okay. AT and T is they're, they're ready willing and able to help you for a price and I know all about your international plan, and it cost, you ten bucks a day, if you do this, that and something else, I ran out of data, so I call them up and I had to sign up for more for one hundred and a half. Eventually wound up, costing me one hundred half I can tell you this, and this these days in the ages of where people have got choices and AT and T is on its last goddamn legs with me. That's for that's for a fact, where are you going to go feel who are you going to none? None of anybody's business when I pick it Verizon when I pick. Pick workman when I picked to over my carrier's gonna be anyway. Hi, folks. So, yep. We were down there in Mexico, and I wasn't getting emails. And now I find out today that I wasn't getting Email. So I, I got kind of pissed off it kind of ruined in soured. The whole goddamn day, if you want my honest opinion. Well, you're taking the Lord's name. No, I'm not taking the Lord's name. I'm saying a couple of words that happen to offend a few people, you know, what I'm terribly sorry, folks. But that's you know, data's during pissed off and everything. That's right. That's what happens to daddy, occasionally. Now listen, Donald Trump speaking of getting pissed off. No, just Donald Trump was in Orlando. Right. Donald Trump had he is a big thing. You know, the what was it called go rally? Yes, he had his big rally, and he stood there and went, hey, you know, and yeah, big rally in you. That's exactly what I just said you dumb scope out. All right. So we had a big rally anyone. Hey, a big rally and everybody went Yay. And but however. Ever Steve Ozil and a few other people notice that you had said he was a big fat slob. I never said anything of the sort. Okay, pointed out that he was the largest president since Trump. All right. Since since attempt yet Taft. Yeah. I did. I tweeted the probably physically is the largest present we've had since. So what are we got going on there as somebody? Well, you know, if people think you're taking the cheap shot, you know, something, man. If I'm taking a cheap shot we live in the day and age of the cheap shot. We live with the day and age of the, you know, of the outspoken, consumer, we live in the day in the age of the whatever it is. Well, we live in the day in the age of the entitled, a media personality suddenly bellyaching that he doesn't have mock tears our Bama. No, it ain't about my mama. Yes, it is. That's very you're sitting there and you're saying, oh, I wasn't getting Email the way I should in Mexico. I need by mama. No, I don't need my momma. What I need is a better damn, you know, internet service provider. What do you think about them apples? What are you doing? Quote on the floor. Again. I was looking for my notes, my Steve Bozell. No to their Stephen bozos joining us from the Bloomfield mall there in corona, and Steve is a Donald Trump supporter, I guess, you might say that you have been along with Larry Grover and a few other correspondence. Larry, of course in Culver city yourself, in corona at kind of Representative as far as we're concerned of, of Trump's supporters, you are a father of two. Father of two talking about Larry Grover. I guess the gentleman who's picking this glaring Grover, correct? Yeah. Well, and he lives with his mother. I'm not saying that, that's you know, I'm sure there are people that support the democratic or liberal or support the democratic ticket or, you know, progressive's who live with their mothers. Okay. So why don't you get them on sure if you want to I mean, well, none of us live with our mothers here. But, but you live with your mother, don't you an progressive mister Dixon sports? I what I'll do manage to find some progressive that lives with his mother, I'm saying that it's interesting that the people you have on your program, who represent the pro Trump point of view. What about you? Steve. You're upstanding guy. Yeah. I'm diaz. I am gonna give it some kind of a weird, you'll live with your mama. Well, I heard they were just giving me a hard time about that Steve. Oh, you know, I got I got to go with him on that Bill because you're, you're you're you're love to tell people, you know. Not to go there, and that's stuck me, Vernon dosier. I don't know who that he's a guest. We have you met her dribbling dosier? No, ma'am. I I don't sit near the radio or the puck or the pot. The pot the pod, you know, and listen and pay attention all these things. All right. Okay. So fair enough. But we do have a guest that comes on. And his name is Ronaldo journey. Well, but again, you're talking about you're talking about AT and T letting you down. And I did hear a little bit of that just a just a four I come on here. What did he just for you? Come on here. Steve always saying is that when you're on the program, you speak in a way that people will relate to a man of some intelligence and sophistication, not one who works with this. I'm not putting this down. Wait a minute. No, I'm not one who works with his hands and where the hands go. Sometimes there's fecal, Cao, Cao, Cao, fecal matter. So. So if you weren't with your hands, it's one thing. But when you work with your hands, and you're sticking through through tells us, he didn't say, that's not what we're saying Steve, would I've seen anything. Yes, you are. You're saying they're seeing something. I'm not seeing anything. Yeah. We're not see any day, are what do you mean? We are you're not what is it? You want to say finish it. You're saying that I work with my hands, which is good. Yes, it's good that you worked with your hands, but your hands go places. My okay. I work with my hands. My hands go up and ask your hands go up at ask occasionally. Yes. Oh man. I'll tell you what field, you know. Okay. So what point are you guys trying to make what we're trying to say is what he said. I gotta. I don't know you. I went I went Billy, you know, your program, Mr. Henry, the only one we're man goes, Billy seeing you went Billy. We're saying that what we need to do in order to express the Trump side of things properly, is that you don't sound what the hand does it would you stuck it off with that? Okay. Thank you. Ms reading my hands. Don't go I work with my hands and they don't occasionally, go up. Someone's ass say someone's asked me shoulda cows. That's, that's what we're saying. You guys not saying anything man you're putting down this guy. I'll give me a break, Henry. You're putting the guy down because he's what did you say? Anyway, Steve, I don't know what I said. Do you said something that I have as go down? I didn't say is gonna go down. Let's just drop it. So Steve, welcome to the program. I didn't know I wanna be clear on his Mr. Henry, I, I come from Knoxville, Tennessee, and I think there is a along with all the other prejudices, and all the other big bigotry, that is associated with the Trump campaign supporters bigotry, that they put on me and other Trump supporters you all say see I just said you all this 'cause I complex out. No. I understand that that's going to put it that tell I'm not either been what are you putting? I'm not putting anything down. These guys. These guys are these guys still, you know, you're. You're, you're this close to, to look in like something right? Outta red skeletons. Rear end. Boy, boy. And you guys I she said it. I didn't I said it. I didn't I didn't anyway Steve, once you guys just be quiet. Now. Just be quiet. Let me talk to Steve here. So steve. How are you? I'm good machinery. Okay. So I started like I needed my momma, dude. I mean, and when you were talking about AT and T and everything, but you need your mama. And, and I think a lot of times when you guys are talking to me. You think that I need my momma, you know, I don't even know where that comes on. I never need my mama. I do real good. Do bit. You do get mostly disturbed. I get emotionally disturbed. When I have people are leaning on me, and lean on me, lean on me, and I've had a long day as I've been having lately. I understand. All right now, we cut to President Trump, he had his and, you know, we haven't even gotten tonight. Never mind. Oh, you wanted to never mind. You wanted to mention sets Kuhlman digest, say, never mind. Yes, you did feel that goes for them that doesn't you don't look at me and say that to you by. Are you talking about right? Yes. I was talking. Can we just drop it for the moment? All right. But you didn't mention it cuts Goldman passed on. I mean you might as well talk about a Dell right in the middle of talking about suds Coleman. A dear colleague of ours. A wonderful wonderfully talented radio personality WMD radio. WINZ AM in Miami and many, many other radio stations across America. For twenty years of partner of Rick, Reilly reconciling was the name of their show. Suds passed on yesterday at the age of seventy four and the best way to describe suds, I would say he was a like a soft-spoken Groucho Marx. He had the mustache. Very much did have the mustache and he had the cigar. And he had the cigar and kind of those thick eyebrows. And but you have. He was the master of the one liner for years. Morning drive in Miami was reconciles, and I thought suds was first of all, funny man, he was always a gentleman. There wasn't the least about the man that was. Acerbic or or harsh or anything like that. Yeah. We're just letting everyone know we're stopping down in the middle of this, Donald Trump segment, because you guys wanted me to you guys mentioned, it general, get a load of you all of a sudden taken fill side. Well at the fact is all right, fine. So phil. Yeah, that's an I'm kidding. Anyway. I'm very very sorry to, to see you go what you see him go. I mean, I'm sorry for the family. I actually sent a message to the family today. I'd like to know if there is a memorial, I'd like to attend. We'd like some more information on, on sides. How did we get on this because? Well, you know, we were thinking about it. You were talking to Steve talking to Stephen was boring. And I don't mean Margaret kits you guys just keep your people to yourself for five seconds. Debbie. You're dough. And I looked at Melissa greyli- said we gotta to get this thing. You gotta kick it into here. I thought we needed to put a boot to its rear end, and I said, well, let's you know what suds Coleman needs to be mentioned instead of hearing from Cibo sale. Oh, Christ he's gonna cry. You're not gonna cry on you know, I'm not gonna cry but. All right. Anyway, suds. I love you, man. And, and I I'm by heart goes out to the family. We'll talk about it further. Let's get back to Steve talking about my one. Your momma did. Oh, that's that's way. You're sending. No, he's not. You jackasses wanted to talk about suds. And so we got it in, and I'm glad we did, quite frankly. I'm glad we did. I don't even know if I wanna talk about Trump and Orlando now I might as well. Judge was down in Miami, right? Yeah. All right. We'll just north of Miami is a town in just north of the city that sits Coleman. Call home and was fantastic. Radio talent in is another city. It's called Orlando. And in Orlando, while the radio, there may not be as good by shouldn't say that still just talk just go. Okay. I mean he's h man God bless. All right. I'm trying to do a segue. So in Orlando north of Miami, in Orlando north of Miami with the man man like any other man. President trump. Yeah. President Trump and he had a rally in Orlando yesterday. And it was, you know, this is Mr. Henry indicated there is lots of people who are. Yeah. You know, prating around with signs were you there? No, not there. You watched it on TV though. Right. I watched some of it on TV. I watch a lot of it's streaming what the president set the hold up from it. I want to give the atmosphere. Go ahead. It was a lot of people who were marching around with Trump banners, make America great again. Then the president comes down, and he talked about sleepy Joe and. Talked about crazy Bernie, and it was a lot of fun. And then he mentioned, hey, you know, let's keep immigrants out and everyone, you know. And then another thing that happened is it Mr. Henry yesterday this didn't happen last night on, hold on. Hundred finish just told the phone, Mr. Henry said, Trump was the biggest man physically to ever serve his pregnant right minister, I said, the biggest since we'll see the biggest is William path not test William Taft to taffeta tat. TA. F. T T AFC path path. And I it was it was a joke, but well, it's not a joke. You it's probably true. Right. I don't know. Yeah. I was talking with some people, I said, you know, actually it was something. Somebody brought up. They said, how much does President Trump way? I said, I don't know. But I think he weighs more than he says he does, well, he says, he's six forty ways to Thirty-nine you know, in, I know. And everyone here knows Steve, you know, he doesn't away to thirty nine. I don't know why impossible. Well, I mean to thirty nine dude. I weighed two thirty nine at one point I'm four inches shorter than the president. I was a fat tub of guts. Now, if you stretch it out to two two six foot four. Two hundred and thirty nine pounds, all of a sudden, I sounds like he's slender. And he wasn't a slender. You could tell you a lot of weight on he got a lot of meat on a six foot four frame. You know. Yes. So anyway, you said he was the biggest. Yeah, but that doesn't make them bigger. William William Howard Taft was gigantic. I was just looking at up right here, Mitsunari and see. This is the kind of thing that happens to the president, every time he goes to the has a very successful rally like he did in Orlando, and he rallied, the people until them. What's going to go on? What, what did he talk about? I mean he talked about, you know how they're going to win in two two two in two thousand twenty in two thousand twenty. He talked about how the sleepy Joe ain't got nothing on him there. No flies on his. You know what, what does it mean? No flies on his on his s. Yes, we were trying to. I was trying to avoid saying it, but yeah, okay, no flex, he's going to it's going to be a cakewalk against sleepy Jill. That's. That's, that's my feeling because Trump just knows he knows. All right. Go ahead. So yeah, so he talked about that and talk about crazy Bernie he talked about how he's going to get the all the illegals out now. I know you're in Mexico this past weekend. Mr. Andrew, so you can probably hear I'll, I'll go in for to you. You know, you know you don't know. I don't know much of Hugh about it. But what about the illegals and everything coming in? Doc, you probably know as much as I do that you were at your at the border, I was at the border and the border was the border. It took us about a week. Do we have the fast pass every time I go to Mexico? I have the pet the fast pass. Now. What does that? It's a pass. You get that you buy that allows you to go down a certain lane and bypass all the other cars. So your weight at the borders about a half an hour everybody else's, like three hours three hours. You gotta be kidding me. No. It's about a three hour. Wait now the border situation. This is that the border. This is at the check points. This is at the port of as they say, the port of entry at San Ysidro, you're not going to see anybody. What do you think I'm going to see any legal trying to sneak in how are they gonna do that? Man. What do you think Steve, they're going in the trunk of a car? Yeah. Well, you do see officers from time to time checking trucks from from time to time just from time to time they're not. They're not swarming over people's cars. And you know, it's just it's just not the emergency that you think it is. It's just not the big, wow. You know, at now I will say where there was a checkpoint was coming up from Rosarito. This is the first time I've seen this, this close to the border, you, if you go into the interior of Mexico UC soldiers. Okay. Oh my God. Take it easy. What do you mean you see soldiers fill? You saw a soldier into machine guns that stuff to see machine gun death. No. Why peril generally told you just how serious things are? I mean I was planning on. Are you kidding me yourself in, I'll get outta here? William, we were planning a trip to Puerto Vallarta. And we were gonna go by car from that from the airport because of that hotel, you're telling me about about pain, the hotel, I was telling you about the hotel. You're talking about now. Look man, I don't know what's going on. But when we were coming up from Rosa Rita we had to slow for a military checkpoint. Now, these are all soldiers and there was cops. There were federally cops there today today. Stop you know they did not stop us. They didn't stop anybody that I saw they waved this on through. And of course, you know, we wave right back. You're kidding me away back. Don't take that as an insult. Did you? If I see some Turkey in a car, and I'm out there on military patrol and some Trump in his little issue, Vigo's. Hi. Oh, why would that bother you? I don't know. It makes me feel dead bake, you feel seriously. Now. You're just some chump chins. I can understand that general. I mean if I was a soldier and I see some do go, hi there. I'm like, what is that about? I mean I got I got a gun and I got a helmet. Exactly. Gun helmet. You got the love of Jesus in your pretty green is my pretty green eyes. I was gonna say blue thank you Clint. That's great. What do you mean Clint? So we're here on the Phil Hendrie show with St. Boselli talking about. I thought we were going to talk about the Trump rally last night, but we've got into and I'm glad we did the passing of the rate suds Coleman. We've also gotten into Mexico and the checkpoints and this and that and God knows what else with me as Margaret, great Margaret. Yes, I want to ask you, Steve. You were watching this, the gist of what the president had to say was, what I jus to what he was going to win and twenty twenty it's going to be easy as pie and you're kidding me. Boulevard. It it. Yeah. It's going to be. Yeah. I'm not kidding. Yeah. It's going to be easy to buy. And I think you said it'd be easy. Punk Pucca pies is. I, he didn't say that. But I wanted him to say because I when he said it kinda mouthing words because I liked it. The president has to say, oh, mouth what he's saying and it's going to be easy. I'm going, it's going to be easy as and I went pumpkin pie and he goes as pie. Puck apply. I'm saying saying, pumpkin pie just does not to say I guess I said, pumpkin pie pumpkin. Pie is the name of the okay. He's at spit. Hit the only over here when you said, I got a bullet of spit right in the eyeball right in the eyeball right in your what in the eyeball. Okay. Oh man. What's what's wrong? You're looking around. Like you just heard something I did misery, you know, I wouldn't want to be you. You don't get no respect. No, you're right. I don't respect is earned and I believe that I've done more than my share of earning respect. We're talking here with Steven Boselli about Trump last night. So Stevie said he's going to win. Eight said he was very company was gonna win. And then he reached that climactic point where you almost is going to say the very thing that you guys have been playing here today. He's gonna say eight Joe Biden. Hey, sleepy Joe increasing burning. Let you go get your mind that, you know. And I wanted to say I wanted to say, Mr. Durr, Mr President, you can use that as your flogging. They need momma. Well, better start asking permission for the Phil Hendrie show. Why they can't what's to ask permission of you didn't make that famous. No, we hardly made it famous. Well, you've turned it into a catchphrase a lot of people identified with your show. I don't think so. So get a load of you nervous. I'm senior doing stuff like that. I'm not gonna put up a fight over. They want their mama. I just feel that it's a good good way for from President Trump saying, I'm President Trump in twenty twenty I'm the present the rest of these jumps want their my bra you know, wherever however, run does for Dr Hernan dosier yet, Mr. dosier says it. So the presence basic thing was very positive. You know, we're going to win, and that's all there is to we're gonna win. That's all there is to it and, and all next week, you're going to see more illegal aliens, getting around up and ran rapid rapid up the you've ever seen before. I don't know about that. I that's that. You know that's not going to happen. I don't know what's going to happen, but I know it's plays well with the base, and you're a member of the bay Steve, I don't like being called a member of the base. And that's exactly who you are. Yeah, I know. That's cool. unquote. Exactly. Who I am? I met that devalues me the human it makes me feel. I don't know. You feel like what I just values me to call me a member of the base. Like I'm just some jumping Steve, I, I don't think you're some jump. Yeah. What are you, if you like Mr. Harry's is some chump and he, he voted for President Clinton? You know what? Voted for President Clinton invoked prepared to put them. Are you talking about Hillary Clinton? Yeah. She wouldn't president man. She was a secretary of state, but I mean you did vote because clue. Yeah, I voted for President Clinton, the first time I have never mind. Okay. So we're talking here about a perception of supporters, and I'm not going to get into that argument. It's just it's childish bozo has been our guest, President Trump. But I didn't get back giving I didn't get into the whole thing about you, calling him big. And I think that that's unfair Missouri because perfectly honest with you are. And the last time I aren't you. No fill is actually been on a diet. I've been dieting. You're gonna call me fat. You were you're right. I was I was three hundred pounds. You probably were the biggest man, you were probably the biggest podcast or they had never had been what are you talking about now? I'm just you know about what's matter. Do you need them? You know. Hey, Steve don't start going to places you don't wanna go to men look. We're wouldn't you say you're the biggest man. Let let's say I was okay, let's say was the biggest cat that ever podcast. Okay. All right. Am I president United States? Uh-huh. See that's where you go. What's wrong with that? It'd be the president's got far more significant than some chump, like Phil Henry, excuse me, Phil above, you know, podcasting, everybody says they, they, they laughing they laugh and they pointing they laugh at President Trump. And then people say, you know, why are you laughing President Trump to go, because he's the president could be your fat or you smell or whatever. And they'll say, yeah, but I'm not the president. He is. Is. I don't understand that Lanta thinking, if you're gonna attack people because the things that he does or significant when he does something, or he says, something Reed, behaves a certain way that's important for the country. Don't you think it is? And so when you say he's, he's the fattest thing since, you know, how's that help country, I didn't say, I said he was the biggest man, let me, let me help out here, Phil. I'm about known as the great. Mr. Harry can do it. He doesn't need. Numb three Mr. Henry knocking off at the MoMA stuff. Okay. You know, it is what bits bits of pretty good. Slug for Mr. gazelle yet, maybe it is. And maybe it ain't. But would you just you don't mind? Oh, ESO only run daughter gives to do it. He doesn't make it personal. So tell me again where I went wrong here. I'm just saying if someone calls you fat you. You don't need your moment. No, I don't need my momma. Okay. Then why does President Trump need his momma? He doesn't need his mama, you to send you said, if I call you fat like when you were on TV show, new girl, weren't you fat? Yeah, it was fatter than hell a hated. I hated the way looked on that show. Yeah. This. Right. So you did like a couple episodes, vanden to talk about big and fat. That was me. You got it. Oh my that's right. I saw feel. He was absolutely huge my gut alike. Thank you very much. Feel bad with you now, couldn't the president Carl. Okay. Okay. Let's see President Trump was on new girl and played the part that I played. I mean he. It'd be bad, if not be pretty bad. Yeah. No. I don't think that bad, but. But we're not talking about new girl. You're talking about the biggest band since I'm gonna have to do some research on path. But I will tell you this to do all that kind of personal taking them personal shots at the president. I think is we don't need it at this time. And at this place, the place in the time that we're at in American history. I think we need to. You know, stand up for what they say you gotta fight for your right to party, and that's really relevant dwell on to say, we got to stand up for our country and not be bagging backing on begging on now. What about Steve, the president's comments about the central park five being guilty? I mean, I'm not that familiar with it, the central park five. We're five. Ben, I, I know that there are accused of I know they're accused of, but you're not familiar with with they were guilty or not. I mean they were actually there sentence was, what is called vacated, general, not the lawyer. But yes, she Frank. Yeah, they said vacated, it was actually someone else. Now these guys are not like the most likeable dudes in the world understand that, but they did not. They were the, the confessions were coerced. Oh, here we go again with that. I gotta tell you. What's wrong with that? Do you know there is such thing. Steve is false confession. They know of established that it's not a bunch of baloney, how much liberal stuff to meet just a bunch of gets the flank. Frank raise gonna join us now here on the world famous fill in reshow, and Frank. How're you doing great Frank? We brought you on for a legal reason. But we forgot what it was. Yeah. We've all of us have forgotten. That's nothing new go on. I'm sorry to waste your time. But I am very much Myra of yours. Okay. I mean you don't let me go, but I would rather not let you go. But we totally forgot what are you talking about? We're talking about Trump in Orlando today. Right. Well, I understand you're a bit of a liberal era, this great. Yeah. You could say I'm I'm a liberal. What is the name, again, by names, people's L? Oh, yeah. I've heard about you, you can say I'm a liberal and, and, and you wouldn't be wrong, but and that's but it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm constantly on my high horse about Trump or anything that she does. No. You have a gender confusion. Right. So they tell me what he could to talk about it. He doesn't believe it. No. I don't believe in today. I run and Margaret, my wife, get figured he'd be more. Right. Very good. Call him a he. Yeah. I, I called I called him a he so well, that's. Well, that's wrong. She, how'd you like me to come over there and kick your balls, right? Up into your throat. Let's just see. He doesn't hear you the way you think he hears you. What is this anyway? Okay was playing golf. With turn again Wilson over here. Actually that was four hours ago, and we've been sitting and having Harry and thinking of ways we can leave earth. You know, I'm seriously thinking of ways we can get off the planet. Why things are that bad things of that bad Frank? It's margaret. How are you? Yeah. Like, like, I don't know. Like, I don't know the sound Emma. I'm fine. Honey? How are you? We're talking about Donald Trump and fill the saying that Donald Trump is the biggest physically president, we've had since William Taft. You only comment. I've had a very interesting observation, I would say, yes, the Trump is, I'd say, Trump is as big if not Taft was with gigantic. There's no even to this day. I don't think anyone will ever really know. He's gotta be kidding me about, you want me to repeat it again. I'll repeat it. You don't think we'll ever really know how big William Taft was that? You got that, right. Bingo, give the manage cigar. We don't will be William path, you know, and she was the patriarch of gigantic family and Robert Taft, Robert Half wasn't big. No Robert Taft was not big the project. William Taft the men were in a she wasn't big any, a lot of the more big, but William path was gigantic. And I don't think we'll ever know. So Mr. Henry Santa Trump is big. I gotta tell you Phyllis metal off when you look at Trump, and you look at the size of her, and then you look at William Howard, Henry Harrison. How many names, did she have? Anyway talking about talking about three William Howard Taft. Great Ville, thank you. I sorry that I bothered with the Frank. It's okay. I just William Howard Taft was big maybe bigger than I will ever really see, maybe we, you know, but Trump is just as big in my opinion. Now here's what here's the goofy thing about this. Having said, what I said, you don't really believe it to you. Did we looked at a picture of William Taft and it was a picture of Trump and we compared to their stomachs? What do you mean? You're, you're prepared their stomachs compared anybody compared to stomach area. And what did you find out that Trump was slightly more? Oh porsche. Well, I mean, that's what the kids soft good. Okay. Play. You know, you're slipping Henry used to be one of my favorite liberals value, giving Trump the benefit of the doubt. And you're saying she's he's skinny go. I'm not saying that I'm saying he is not as big. Henry does called William William Henry Trump. Ooh, I never mind, I'm saying that, that Trump is it was a joke. So what he wants from me. Okay. Now, if you call it a joke now I got it. You're just you're just may one more shot. You're taking Trump big wide rare end. I think we can all go to have it on a bee. Green, both wouldn't that main. It was that expensive Stephen Moselle Los entered Stephen Boselli. I don't think I'll answer the question. I thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much, Frank, Frank. Grace running out here. All right. Thanks a lot Frank. Good talk with you, Steve. Boz L on the line with here from corona California, as we continue talking about President Trump yesterday and the bad joke that I told about the his size your ear at the border miss journey you are you going to give us any more information on the border? I don't know what other information I can give you fill your there. And you said the southern border patrol, rather handle roughly guy motorcycle. No, they did not. Was a guy in a bike that got into an argument with one of the border patrol guys. But let me just say this, when you down there, and you don't really see anything unusual, you're doing a sit on your ass and waiting. And you've got a lot of vendors coming by one to sell you stuff and you see the US officers, the guys who have the United States of America uniform on there. The guys at sometimes we'll look inside a car. They'll check inside the trunk, but there's nothing unusual going on. There's no big panic. Okay. That's all I'm trying to tell you, I've, I've avoided going to Mexico because. Why? Yeah. I'd like to know what where are you do? You know, a lot of people say they want to go to Mexico, but they don't some people don't wanna go and don't that's like me. Well, I love going the Mexican but I don't go to Rosa Rita beach fill. Yes. I understand Margaret, you go to Punta Mita Putin meters since during it's not dirty watching. Okay, can you please call? What it's called Punta Mita did that go soundary. It's not dirty. Well. You feel you know what you've got a really high class group of guys that you hang around with my guests. So having said, all of that, yeah, that was, it was just a normal day. And. I just want you to know that, that, that's what I see when I go over the border, especially like in December. Oh, you said December went back when there was still an emergency on. And they were trying to get border wall funding. Yeah. How do you know? I mean President Trump was trying to get funding for the ball for the border wall. And then you've got guys like you going out. You know what about it? I would think that if you support the president, you would say, I didn't support him in that even though he's the prison the United States and thinking about President Trump. He's not even getting any credit for being president of pain. You know, only. Zell if you start blubbering I swear to God, I'm gonna start swinging. I'm not blubbering. I'm just saying he doesn't get credit for being president. Now, here's a guy that is the United States and, and he's president United States. You've probably seen it should be getting given credit. So. My math guy. Hey. Let me tell you something. Platon ahead. Let's watch that stuff. I don't need to take that from him. Go nasty states. You've pretty United States, and he says support him and when you were talking about the border last fall, and you're saying it ain't no thing. Look dude, he was trying to get funding for the wall. Yeah. He was trying to get funding for the wall, and you're going. Everything's cool at the border. I would hope. You would hope that I'd sit there and phony something up. Would you. Is a good question. Would you I would say, you know? Never. Yeah. I probably would say something like, hey, you know, a couple of Mexicans. Well, you know, you, you might want to just go down there and take a look at it before start freaking out and tell everybody how bad things are. Okay, because they just want us as freaky as, as I don't give a damn. How much dummied up for all that film footage was so phoney baloney on context. Nobody was buying it. No one bought it when that border wall didn't get funded. No one gave a you know what Jeff? Yeah. Will stephen? Thank you very much, man for giving us a little view of the president's rally, and it was, and I am. And like I said he was a yeah. Hey, and you don't get it, Steve. You're gonna have to give us something more than. Yeah. Hey, that's what you guys are. We're talking about. We were having a couple of laughs man. Well, that's, that's kind of when you see President Trump at a rally, he rally people, it makes people feel good. He makes people feel like they're part of the country and he's the president and they have fun. You know, they go, hey, let's take the pledge you like I swear that I'm gonna vote for Donald Trump a land, and they end up going you're, you know with. Yeah, you know he is silly. Just everybody say, yeah. You just pick because your hair. St. Bose L folks. Forget forget, all you forget, I'm gonna forget that I ever met. Let's see next week. St. Boselli world-famous filling reshow now that was supposed to do that, that, that was informative. Oh, that was informative. I think, well, you know what you could have done is, you've got to watch the rally yourself, you would have known what had happened fairly digging a dinghy man. It's just, you know, here's the thing down there. There was no way of knowing whether you're getting on your Email. I got an Email from so many that was sent a ten thirty in the morning, I got five o'clock and so. This evening. I just got an Email from the same person saying, I trust you got look at this. This is from, that's from Suzy. Okay. Right. To Susie never mind. Here are the emails. I would I got an Email from somebody today who said, I trust, you got my other eighteen emails here likely to this, and there's one for your lawyer. Yeah. Here's when never mind, so, yeah, it was wild. And, and so we, we had the bad communication, and then I, I got on a horn with AT and T late at night on, you know, got my General, Dan. Updated stuff. Yeah. You said that your communication was fun. Well, what's interesting about Mexico is no WI fi in the rooms. Well as soon as I checked the, the data to one hundred twenty bucks that, that plan, I all kinds of damn wifi in Mexico in the room down in a hotel all over the place. You know what's that about? I don't know. But, you know, it is interesting, isn't it? And because you could go down there and struggle with the wifi finds a man, there's no wifi man. You pay enough Bradman AT and T will put a pipeline through to you, like you wouldn't believe that's what happened. And but with all of that, having been said, I was still not getting all Email, so. Or it was slow and slow and going all that stuff. So we're back and we thank you for joining us. Yeah. Fill is going to go and study his script or something, something like that. Thank you, Steven bozo for that update on the president's rally because we were hearing about it as we were traveling yesterday and. And all kinds of stuff was happening concerning while he's talking about the rally was about how Iran and yeah, there's a lot of really interesting news. You tweeted about nursery. I'm glad I didn't I was meaning to tell you yesterday was one of the most refreshing days, in terms of Twitter and you're. Yeah your big mouth. I wasn't going to say that or was it because you just didn't tweet. Yeah. You know what man, I'm going to tell us how you're not going to tweak, she's history. I swear to God, I'm going to give it up man. Somehow, someway, I enjoy Instagram. Oh, by the way. Thank you very much. All of you who commented on our Facebook live from Mexico. That was a lot of fun. Oh, Phil was Facebook live. That's right from the balcony of your hotel. Then walking down the street and shoving your camera into all the instant faces of the Mexican and I say that with great love fill and then going into that restaurant one of the you had rock fish. Yeah. I did what did you think of it? I didn't like it. You didn't like it. That would be something. I would if I were you, I would I walked back because Mexican food, especially seafood art, Margaret give it a break with you. Okay. I didn't particularly like the rock fish everything else. I love man. I like the food Mexico who doesn't right baby. That's been it. That was it that will be it. And that's the end of that, man. That's all we got for you for today. We'll be back with did the talk much. They're gonna lay down new Evelyn. No. I don't need an ambulance will be back tomorrow. Same bat time, same bat channel with more. This bad, podcasting here on the world famous Phil Emery show. Really ratio is executive produced by Henry, four separate cooperated all rights reserved a podcast. One. Civilly to allege the rubber.

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Part 2 Where did Billy go

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

07:37 min | 10 months ago

Part 2 Where did Billy go

"Welcome to kids myths and mysteries. I'm your host Ken Chrome today I continue the story where to billy go on Monday I related the story because it was one of the strangest I've ever run into in great detail it is basically the story of cabin dot com well this kid chrome thanks for listening but someone must have known him between the time he was discovered in Tennessee in his incarceration in the federal prison I started this new search with child protective physical description I had an interesting story and a series of events that linked together giving it credence but nothing really solid dealing with I received a response twelve hours later but not from William a man of few words emailed me asking what my interest was William Falstaff Security Federal Prison in Illinois my problem prisons are notoriously tight lipped when it comes to giving out information about prisoners I submitted assisted living in Apache Junction Arizona had turned me onto billy's last name I only found one falstaff in the region reexamined my progress since first scanning the F. B. I. Reports realized that I'd been conducting what amounted to a missing persons case surprise today's wandering across a civil war battlefield fifteen hundred miles distant in southwestern Tennessee this was the several emails I determined I was communicating with an agent of the FBI William had escaped just days after my form was received requesting tame falstaff this was a name I related on Monday I discovered from William Howard who had been there ninety four years old the individual had no connection through contact with law enforcement and CIC was checked one William falstaff was Marian penitentiary a media. We'll be talking about more this more later what I wanted to do because this story was so bizarre is take you through some of the details I went through in order phone calls receiving emails does not truly make a story but I just couldn't Leonard Trump I assumed that billy's parents were deceased or at least out of the picture who validate this as a real story and try and make sense of it we ended on Monday with things getting better and better as far as all of the details and Oh my last effort at communicating with him was a letter addressed to William falstaff care of Marian Federal Prison Forty Five Hundred Prison Road Illinois on the right upper thigh fading and thought to have been caused by something when he was quite young this was my boy but I figured I'd taken the story as far as I could Eddie battles I contact museum at Shiloh military part for any information on children involved in the battle next I placed ads several newspaper form requesting physical characteristics or scars received a brief description the could have been anyone but was rewarded when the description included a scar services I in Arizona then Tennessee all people that might have been involved we're retired now records had archived and for the most part sealed dead end I put knowledge that a doctor had removed civil war era many ball from billy STI- out of my mind it just seemed to weird still I decided had related to how I punched billy's h into my calculator added the elapsed seven years from nineteen eighty two when he vanished to twenty nineteen to come up with his age side of the Shiloh national military park he was discovered by tourists taking it to who identified a distant figure as lucky knock a child and he take a look at children involved in the civil war it was a simple search to determine the preteens as young as ten were often horse and wagon tenders never really fought it forty eight but I stopped short of putting the calculator away because he vanished April six thousand nine hundred eighty two exactly to the day one hundred twenty years since the battle of Shiloh and I left you on Monday with the comment I had to find billy assuming he'd take it back dares ONA I ran a check on the in both Tennessee and Arizona asking for information on a William or Billy falstaff I actually received a call a few days later from Virginia Hall Staffs and that they've been transferring him from Marian a medium security prison to a minimum security and when the bus arrived he wasn't on board after a few awkward moments I continue my questions this was not a happy person and after a few questions she let me know in no uncertain terms that it was going to cost me breath billy sister Jackpot my first question was the most difficult did she know the billy at escaped from prison she laughed and said he hadn't escaped they lost him Xinyu I let her go in thirty seven years he must have had a girlfriend I felt I could put together bill character I might be able to track visuals and we'll certainly bring up my podcast as I reached a true conclusion in case you didn't hear what went on a Monday with the first portion of the billy goat I'll do a quick recap because this is truly an odd story this is a story of an eleven year old boy who vanished from just outside Tucson eras By employment the problem was what I did in Arizona I had to do in Tennessee and that's where the story ends for now I'm still waiting to hear from certain across a civil war battlefield fifteen hundred miles distant and south western Tennessee the site was the Shiloh national military park he was discovered Jonah while performing performing in front of twenty two adult witnesses he was doing some tricks on his bicycle he was discovered seventy two hours later watering turris taking a tour who identified a distant figures looking like a child the Erie part is he was treated not only for shock but they removed a civil war era many ball from his upper thigh at one point in the story I describe how I punched Billy's age into my calculator at this point I'm still waiting for a firm

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The Strangest story

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

16:06 min | 6 d ago

The Strangest story

"Welcome, to kiss miss and mystery signed your host Kit Crumbs, I wanNA talk about research for a moment of the of the hundreds of novels and novellas hybrid. Not The past twenty years of the three hundred plus stories I've written for this podcast research was a backbone and one story in particular stance out and I've received hundreds of emails asking me to repeat this. So I've got the script in front of me for this that evolves the research it came out in two stories. One was called. WHERE DID BILLY GO? The other one? Was a strange case of billy, falstaff referring to the same. Same individual. So I will read these as clearly as possible today's podcast where to billy go is by far the most bizarre story I've ever run across because it is so unbelievable. I've decided to relate the steps taken in an effort to make sensible this remember those words were part of the podcast almost a year ago. This is a story of an eleven year old boy who vanished from just outside Tucson Arizona while performing in front of twenty two adult witnesses, he was discovered seventy two hours later wandering across a civil war battlefield fifteen, hundred miles distance in the southwestern area of Tennessee. The site was Shiloh national military park. He was discovered by tourists taking a tour who identified a distant figures looking like a child and I'll speak more on this in a minute. I want to go over some of the things I did it all started when I was scouring some thirty seven year old FBI files. So this was a cold case I hadn't looked at it in a long time, the FBI files, but I hope to find something intriguing when I noticed under the child abduction section. The case involving a young boy, he'd been abducted in nineteen eighty to remember that date from his Arizona residence was located in south western Tennessee wandering as a state park three days. Later, what caught my eye is that this was marked s kidnapping and there is no Rassam call the FBI were brought. Brought in was discovered in another state I managed to get. My hands are heavily redacted police report anything. This old has been archived and available on special website that investigators and people like myself have access to. Anyway the report related how the victim and three other children were in a field performing jumps and bike tricks on their stingray bicycle. This was in the tunnel oatman Arizona. The report described that the children had built a ramp and Eastwood perform a jump overstock of tires. Twelve tourists visiting the nearby town. Of Open, Arizona Twenty, two residents including the children's parents were attended seated on the homemade set of bleachers the. The victim was a last minute. Jump is by crash on the other side of the tires. But he had vanished before I. go any further. You need to know that police FBI reports made available to the public investigators like myself are cryptic to say the least heavily abbreviated redacted especially when a child is involved, often there are more black lines and there are complete sentences I contacted as many residents of what is virtually the ghost town of oatman Arizona as I could, and as of this podcast talking to you now open is pretty much a tourist trap or tourist attraction of the twelve phone calls and several emails. Emails I had one hit after fifteen minutes. A small top Mrs Jones said she remembered the incident written up and said, the boy's name was billy something. She didn't remember the last name I promise not to use her name. That's why it's Mrs Jones. She also confided that I should talk to William Howard. Who she thought saw the boy vanished was one of the witnesses, another couple of phone calls, I located Mr Howard in an assisted living, Sattar outside Apache Junction, Arizona and ninety four years old, but very alert, and after much pro Bain was able to remember billy's last name falstaff. He said like the beer. After contacting the county sheriff's Department and Officer the FBI located in Phoenix and coming up empty. My next move was to contact the folks that oversee the tours of the Shiloh state military park at Tennessee where billy was found again, nothing with no other ideas, I reluctantly decided tobacco the story for days. After making that decision, I received an email from escondido California wanted to. To know how investigation into billy falstaff was GOI. The email came from a woman whose father had passed away recently to events prompted her to contact me I at the funeral were several reenactor. So the battle of Shiloh who were on the tour when billy was spotted and they had heard about my inquiries and related them to her second while going through her father's. Journals, in the garage, she discovered that he was the doctor that treated billy. I assume that the boy might have been treated for shock said rather than emailed us much her response knocked me out of my chair. Her father had removed a civil war era, many ball for the boys of thigh. I E mail back asking if she meant bullet. Corresponds was an emphatic? No, it was a mini ball and she had founded wrapped in wax paper stapled to the top of journal explaining the injury. I asked her if she could take a picture of the Journal and the mini ball and send it to me as an attachment, and she did this was just getting better and better I punched billy's age in my calculator added the elapsed thirty seven years from nineteen. Nineteen eighty to two, thousand, nineteen. When I originally did this story by the way, it was twenty nineteen to come up with his current age of forty eight. But stopped short of putting the calculator away. He vanished April six, eight, nineteen, eighty, two exactly to the day a hundred and twenty years since the battle of Shiloh April six, eighteen, sixty, two I had to find billy assuming he'd been taken backed Zona. Check on the name full staff. I only found one in the region and the individual had no connection with billy falstaff through contact with law enforcement and see icy is checked. One Way and falstaff was in Marian panicked century medium Security Federal Prison in Illinois. My problem or prisons are notoriously tight lipped. When it comes to giving out information about prisoners, I submitted a form requesting physical characteristics, scars, and received a brief description that could have been anyone, but was rewarded when the description. Description included scar on the right upper five fading and thought to have been caused by something when he was quite young. This was my boy. But I figured I'd taken the story of force. I could my last effort at communicating with him. Was a letter addressed to William falstaff of Marianne. Federal Prison Forty Five, hundred person road. I received a response twelve hours later but not from. Roy. is a man of few words. Emailed me asking what my interest in William falstaff was. Through several emails, I determined I was communicating with an agent of the FBI. William had escape just days after my form was received, requesting physical description had an interesting story and a series of events linked together giving it credence. But nothing really solid dealing with phone calls. Receiving emails does not truly make story, but I just couldn't let it drop I, assume that Billy's parents were deceased or at least out of the picture, but someone must have known him between the time. He was governed Tennessee in his incarceration in federal prison. I started this new search with child protective services. I ONA than in Tennessee, all people that might have been involved were retired and some deceased and all records had been archived, and for the most part sealed dead end I reexamined my progress. Progress first scanning the FBI reports realize that I'd been conducting what amounted to missing person case surprise than I put knowledge that a doctor had removed a civil war era, many ball who billy side out of my mind, it just seemed to weird. That's all still decided to take a look at children involved in the civil war. It was a simple search to determine that preteens as young as ten were often horse and wagon tenders during the civil war and never really fought in any battles. I contacted the Museum Child Military Park for any information on children involved in the battle next I placed ads in several newspapers, able Tennessee and Arizona asking for information on William or Billy Falstaff I. Received a call few days later from Virginia falstaff. Smith Billy. Sister. Jackpot. My first question was the most difficult. Did she know that billy had escaped from prison? She laughed and said, he hadn't escaped. They'd lost him that they were transferring him from Marian, a medium security prison to a minimum security and when the bus arrived. On board. After a few awkward moments I continue by question, this was not a happy person and after a few questions, she let me know in no uncertain terms that it was going to cost me to continue I, let her go and thirty seven years. He must have had a girlfriend I felt I could put together billy's character. I might be able to track him by employment. The problem was what? What I didn't Arizona I had to do, in Tennessee, every knock at my door pulled me away from my computer, my chuck, the time it was six o'clock. I opened the door and stood facing a young man of about thirty that could have been a salesman toy opened his mouth I talked to Virginia. You said you might be willing to pay for information on her brother he said. I didn't make the connection for a minute. I stood just staring at him. Oh. Yes. I said Billy What no I can't pay anything I told him flat out. He made a face and told me not to worry about it I. Asked him how he knew billy, he said, and this is a quote I knew who he was and he sat on the bus in front of me. You were be transferred to a minimum security prison I. Ask. That's right. Right you said he was real easy going. Didn't talk much I. Ask if he ever mentioned it eventless childhood and the Guy said if you're asking about how he got shot in the leg now. Okay. That ends the story of where to bill ago, and then I continued later with the strange case, falstaff. That's what I'm into right now, I found the. The story interesting. But it was thirty seven year old case of child abduction at least asked what the FBI called it. I let it drop but four days after making the decision. I was contacted by a woman whose father had treated billy and had pulled a civil war era. Many ball from his upper thigh aside from being totally blown away by that fact, I jumped back on research wack. I, had to find billy. I managed to trace to a medium security prison. Illinois shortly after I located as residents he was in the process of being transported to a minimum security prison loaded on a special transport plus with thirteen other prisoners. But when the bus arrived at his destination was not on board. That brings you up to date with this particular story. The strange case, billy falstaff I'd communicated with billy sister who wants to be paid for information on him. She did provide a picture of him just before he was arrested and car serrated. Once again, I hit it get in. That isn't until I was visited at my office in Ashland Oregon. By Tony Gale, he'd Billy soulmate Y'all have been on the bus with. With Billy, he'd gotten my name from billy sister with whom he had been in touch. The only thing I got out of Mr Gail was that billy always said, he was a child of the civil war and that when they were lined up ready to be checked onto the bus, billy told him that he'd never make it after a number of phone calls. I determined that billy was definitely checked onto the bus. Bus at the bus made no stops and was manned by experienced driver in two guards and was followed by an escort vehicle. Great. I was back to the question where billy go before, we let the story. Go I decided to email the picture of billy as a young man to the daughter of the doctor who extracted the mini ball from Billy Sti-. Again, I was ready to bag the story then I received. Received a phone call from Escondido California. It was the daughter of that Dr at had treated billy and she'd bound him. She said, you re guy thought in the Shiloh bookstore across from Shiloh. Now, cemetery on the back wall were a dozen photos of union soldiers in various dressing colluding drummer. She took a picture with her iphone. Emailed it to me as an attachment. There was no mistaking that the drummer was billy. Shocker was the name below the photo at red. Union drummer. Billy falstaff killed at the battle Pittsburg landing and that was another name for Shiloh bath, April seventh eighteen, sixty two. But she went one step further and visited the Shiloh national cemetery and found a headstone. dully flagstaff born eighteen fourteen died eighteen sixty two that would make him forty eight years old the same age as the billy falstaff that vanish from the prison bus will of the two hundred plus podcast stories I've aired. I ended up doing more research on this than any other story. That's why I'm repeating this to you I. Know I have many skeptics of the story. So I'll put down some facts, Oatman Arizona where eleven year old billy vanished in front of Twenty, two adult witnesses in nineteen, eighty two is now virtual ghost town, the population of one, hundred, twenty, eight although at this reading that was. That was the middle of last year. So as I read this to you now, it still has a small population, but is a tourist attraction. The only witness William Howard to the vanishing that I could locate was ninety four, the time I. talked with him and he says sense passed away the billy vanished from the prison bus could be explained away I guess. But what can't be explained is his picture in the bookstore and the headstone with his name in the Shiloh national cemetery. Of course, there's also civil war era, many ball. There was taken from the upper five and eleven year old boy found wandering cemetery fifteen, hundred miles from where the FBI said he was abducted. And, that was the strange case of Billy falstaff. And that was also a combined story did awarded Billy Go. These stories are produced here at night. Owl Sounds Studio and brought to you by the rogue, Valley. But Physical Library and by stories of this street and adventure in life on the edge located at Kit Chrome, dot com, and by internationally recognized psychic Sharon. Bauer. I also want to say very excited about the new podcast in the evening, chasing the dark stories of the paranormal. These are stories presented in the same fashion, same serial fashion as old time radio mysteries, thirty minutes segments are. Stories, hope you're enjoying those. I'm kid chrome. Thanks for listening.

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S3, Ep 6: Manipulating the Masses and Predicting the FutureEdward Bernays and W. Howard Chase

Drilled

29:18 min | 5 months ago

S3, Ep 6: Manipulating the Masses and Predicting the FutureEdward Bernays and W. Howard Chase

"There are two key public relations. Figures that I've gone back and forth on including in this season. They didn't spend a ton of time working directly for oil companies but they did work for the industry somewhat in certainly influenced all of our other madman so I wanNA touch on that influence and their stories today. I'm Amy Westervelt and this is drilled season. Three the mad men of climate. I when I need a break from tracking corporate bad gays. My GO-TO is a game called best fiends. And the bonus for me is that my kid likes to play too so he'll sit next to me and play with me because it's challenging puzzles and it's a casual game and we can have fun with it together. I actually just found this game and started playing an already on level forty two. That's right folks. It's Great Ella. It's it's got. Bright colors keeps my mind engaged. The characters are pretty cute and their little bugs and the antagonists are slugs. That's kind of fun and the other cool thing is that it does not require Internet to play so we can play on a plane or a long car. Ride all of that. I recommend checking it out. You can engage your brain with fun puzzles and collect tons of cute characters with over a hundred million downloads. This five star rated mobile puzzle game is a must play download best fiends free on the apple APP store or Google play. That's like friends without the our best fiends. Check it out today. The first person I want to talk about today's Edward Bernie's we mentioned to him briefly in our Ivy Lee episodes at the start of the season. Bernese and Lee worked together during world. War One when Lee was handling publicity for the American Red Cross and Bernez was the film guy on the. Us war propaganda team. The two became fast friends and Lee generally considered burn as his only real equal in the publicity Rome. Shortly before he died Leeann Bernez went to lunch and Lee expressed his concern that public relations would die with the two of them that it would just be a flash in the PAN a brief trend. Bernez was not about to let that happen likely. Edward Brunet's was an expert in behavioral psychology. But he'd come about that knowledge in an unusual way. My mother was his younger sister and my father was the brother of his wife. That's right he was Sigmund. Freud's double nephew. What are the odds? The dinner table at night became a discussion forum at which the two parents would discuss. What was on them? Minds and children were seen and not heard but actually children listened. I heard about my uncle's theory of ream interpretation. I heard about psychology is being an important force in evaluating human behavior I heard of repression regression and suppression and projection and and taboos edible complexes and while I never had a course in Freudian psychology. I did help to translate the first book that Freud had published in England. The other big influence our. We're going to look at today. Is Howard Chase? Chase came onto the scene. A few decades after Bernez and in a lot of ways was his intellectual progeny he expanded on Bernez ideas about shaping public opinion encouraging companies to predict which issues they might have with the public and then head them off early by shifting public perceptions. Chase is responsible for one of the most famous bits of greenwashing ever created. But we'll get to that in a bit. I we have to go back to World War. One Gun gun get you'll take you on the run on. Da Nineteen twenty six parish for the entire peace conference was held in this and we were to make the world. Safe for democracy slowing. That's burn as many decades leader during an interview with the BBC for the documentary the century of the self that trip to Paris that he took with President. Woodrow Wilson was really eye opening for Brenes. He realized that he and the rest of the. Us propaganda team had effectively turned Wilson from sort of cold elitist into a populist hero and had completely convinced everyone that their sole goal in the war was spreading democracy around the world in other words. The propaganda worked but Bernez. I challenge in getting his ideas. Accepted would be a rebranding of propaganda itself to Umass face. I decided if you could use propaganda for war. You can certainly use in for peace and propaganda. Got To be a bad word because of the Jammie Union so what I did was trying to find some other word so we found a way to council council on public relations. That's what Bernez called what he and others were doing. He borrowed the label from the legal round. Which at the time referred to lawyers as counsel on legal affairs now by this point Ivy Lee had long since established his firm but it was Bernese who branded the whole industry and pushed to professionalize it. That's why you'll sometimes hear 'em referred to as the father of modern. Pr Bernice had specialized in film during the war. And that's where. He concentrated much of his peacetime efforts to we have. Bernice to thank for product policemen for example and for the celebrity endorsement when President Calvin. Coolidge was developing a reputation as a humorless lump. He brought in her knees and Bernez brought a bunch of celebrities to the White House to have breakfast with coolidge and sadly that's all it took to make him electable so yeah. Bernez the guy behind politicians getting into the PR game to first with Wilson that coolidge and he worked with hoover to release was also the first to create fake independent studies to sweet and sooners and entire fake news agencies to lend credibility to his stories but of course. Bernese is real genius. Lee intaking what he had learned growing up around that dinner table and applying it to mass manipulation of the public when Ivy Lee died Bernez inherited a lot of his clients including the Rockefeller's standard oil and the American Tobacco Company Lee had helped the company established lucky strikes in Europe vastly expanding their customer base. But now they were looking to grow at further. Here's Bernese talking about how he did that for them and sounding very pleased with himself. One day Mr George Hill President of the American Tobacco Company. Called me in and said we're losing half of a market and I said why Miss Hill. He said taboo by men that does not permit women to smoke. What can we do about breaking down? That taboo is said. I've Iowa permission to see a psychoanalyst. He said what it costs. I went to Dr Braille and asked them wide cigarettes meant to women and he answered very quickly. Cigarettes are torches of freedom to women. They WANNA smoke to dramatize man's taboo against women. And then he added as an afterthought Titillate the erogenous zones of the lips What could I do with that information? Three two of the spirit Easter Sunday ended occurred to me that any young debutante who was aware of the times and if a cell has a woman being discriminated against would be delighted to walk in the East of parade with her bowl to dramatize the idea that cigarettes were indeed charges freedom and invalidate the taboo against women smoking. So I called up for. Debbie's friend of mine as to get another friend and two young men whom they like and they are also instructed them on how to give information about what they did to the newsreels weekday newsreels to the newspapers to the three important press association's and to walk from thirty Fourth Street to these seven and back and back and forth lighting torches of freedom to protest man's inhumanity to women next morning. There wasn't a newspaper in the United States. Even the New York Times had a front page story. Deputiemps slight torches of freedom. The interesting thing to me was that within three days the newspapers without any ended session My Pot published accounts. That women were smoking in Union Square in San Francisco in Union Square in Denver and on the Voice and Commons and to my surprise within six weeks on their own without any decision on my thought the League of the evidence which had a ban on women's smoking in the smoking rooms under the orchestra's of every good yetter inner Yaw Lifted. The ban and women were allowed to smoke. There's a video that goes along with this interview and in it. Birthdays is just completely smirking. The this stunt had all of his signature moves in a fake event to create news. He was really big on this. The idea that companies should be creating news to feed to the media not just letting the media cover whatever was actually happening. Then there was the CO opting of a movement that was already underway women and especially suffragettes. Were annoyed at the power that Manhattan over their lives. Bernice just had to find a way to plug his clients products into that and finally the psychological component the tying of cigarettes not only to freedom but also to various Freudian ideas about buried desires for knees offered a slightly tame version in the interview. We just heard but in various other interviews and essays that he wrote he delved into that other classic free and Avia that ultimately women are just endlessly frustrated. By their lack of penises. Cigarettes had already become a sort of phallic symbol associated with Masculinity Albanese had to do was encourage women to harness that energy for themselves. And as you just heard there it totally worked not only did the American Tobacco Company sell more cigarettes but women truly embraced the idea of smoking as somehow liberating which is kinda sad. When you think about the fact that it was just an idea cooked up by a guy trying to sell cigarettes related. Bernese can also be credited with sexualizing the car and attaching it to masculinity so much longer than last year longer and some models the nineteen forties Bernez was influencing how every industry dealt with and saw the public in nineteen. Forty six earl newsom the internal PR Guy Standard Oil who had worked with Bernez there and also at General Motors explained to other exacts what they needed to be doing the clear noteworthy image thrown upon the screen must be one of portraying our company as wanting the things that people want he said there must be a merging of image and audience. If people are to say that's my kind of company. The image cannot be one of human exploitation of ruthlessness of greed of selfishness. It must be a human image. It must reveal a company as an organization of human beings for you see. We are asking people to join our crowd. They who want so much to join a crowd. It's so condescending to the public but also it worked. I found an old episode of Bill. Moyers show where he covers Ivy League and Edward Bernez and of course right up top. There was this in keeping with Chevron's tradition of service throughout the twentieth century. The people of Chevron. Bring you this program in support of public television. It's almost exactly what newsome was talking about in his presentation. The people of Chevron bring you this show as part of our commitment to public service at the end of this interview lawyers asked Bernie's about power. You got men like Thomas Edison and Henry Ford and Herbert Hoover and the masses of America to do what he wanted to do. I mean that's not info at that power well but you see. I never thought of it as pound. I never created Power Info. One to go where they want to be led. The thing is as you've probably gathered from the various examples listed here. Bernice basically looked down on the unwashed masses and he was pretty obsessed with power he loved being able to get the public to do his bidding and he loved the individual power and wealth at that brought him. Here's one of his early colleagues Patrick Jackson in the century of the self documentary. He was uniquely knowledgeable about how people in large numbers are going to react to products and ideas but in terms in political if he were to go out so I can't imagine that he could get three people standing. Listen wasn't particularly articulate was kind of funny looking and didn't have any sense of out for people one on one none until he didn't talk about didn't think about people in groups of one thought about people in groups of thousand and here's Bernez daughter. An he knows everybody knows the mayor and he knows the senator and he calls politicians on the telephone as if he did get a literally a a higher. Bang out of doing what he did. And that's fine but it. It can be a little hard on the people around you especially when you make other people feel stupid. People who worked for him were stupid. Children were stupid and if people did things in a way that he didn't that he wouldn't have done them. They were stupid and that was it was a word that he used over and over and over dope and stupid asses stupid like most of the white male public intellectuals of his day. Bernice believes that democracy could only really work. If you could control the masses that what you really needed was a small group of lead. Still calling the shots and a way to get the public to go along with that without realizing it wasn't totally their idea per knees was also an ideologue. He firmly believes that capitalism and patriotism were inherently intertwined and needed to stay that way. There's no sun up in a stormy weather. I off when Franklin Roosevelt pushed forward the new deal effectively ending the depression for knees and most of America's corporate executives freaked out the masses. Were not behaving the way they were supposed to. And the task of getting them in line was put to burn as he was tapped to lead the vision of the world's fair in New York in nineteen thirty nine and what he built was a capitalist Utopia constructed by none other than his client General Motors. Here's an Bernez again to my father. The world's fair was an opportunity to keep the status quo that is capitalism and democracy democracy and capitalism that marriage. He did that by manipulating people. And getting them to think that you couldn't have real democracy in anything better capitalist society which was capable of doing anything of creating these wonderful highways if of making the Dow moving pictures inside everybody's house of of telephones that didn't need cords of sleek roadsters. I mean it was it was it was it was consumerist but at the same time you inferred that inner funny way democracy and capitalism went together this idea that capitalism and democracy are inextricably linked is still a cornerstone of fossil fuel propaganda. Today coming up we'll hear about another influenced. Sir Who took both the concept of American individuality and the notion that controlling accompanies fate men controlling the masses to a whole new level. Today's episode is sponsored in part by feels premium. Cbd delivered directly to your doorstep. A couple of very cool things about feels one. You can order something that they called the flight. Which gives you? Kind of a sampler pack of different strengths. So you can try them out and see what works for what. You're trying to address for me. It's a lifetime of insomnia coupled with constantly reading bad news. 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He liked the attention and he was proud of his accomplishments but there are two types of PR guys the ones who liked to be part of the story themselves and the ones who think they can be most effective behind the scenes. William Howard Chase was definitely the ladder. Although he wrote books and taught classes chase was almost never in the media himself and really for the first couple of decades of his career. He wasn't necessarily stand out he was successful. He'd been a partner at some big firms. Rian PR for advertising giant McCann Erickson and then started his own firm put. He didn't really seem like a visionary didn't seem like the kind of guy that was gonNA really change public relations in the future then came the social movements of the sixties and seventies and like a lot of other. Pr Guys Chase. Got fired up. I had Rachel Carson's silent spring in nineteen sixty two and then this guy became a major thorn in the side of American Business Business. Not so much opposed to Marxism communism is they are too good old free enterprise competitive business and consumer sovereignty. That's really gets them. All worried one can imagine what would happen if people could see what goes into their processed food products or they could see what frauds so many of the so-called cleaners and cleaning agents are and the kind of harm that's involved or they could see the enormous price fixing it goes on in the petroleum industry. That's Ralph Nader in nineteen seventy five years after his book. Unsafe at any speed had kicked off a nationwide push for seatbelt laws and made him a constant target of General Motors. Around the time of this speech the country had also just experienced its largest oil spill off the coast of Santa Barbara and nater was pissed about it. You can destroy a beautiful spot on the west coast called the Santa Barbara Offshore area and there hasn't been any criminal prosecution or fine of the violators. There was recently a million dollar fine imposed on Chevron for the biggest oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. What does that that's nothing? That's about an hour's gross revenue. The company the modern environmental movement was growing increasingly loud and the idea of consumer rights. Consumer Protection was really gaining traction. That was the problem. Howard Chase set out to solve what had happened of. Course was that activists had figured out the old Bernese strategy and we're deploying it themselves on behalf of the public good. That was never really supposed to happen in his book. Issue Management Chase complained about quote coordinated anti establishment issue. Protagonists Ralph Nader types who deployed emotional power to turn the passive middle into activists foes what companies had to do to fight back against these forces according to chase was to predict which issues might face them in the and then control social cultural and policy conditions to ensure that these issues would not become a problem in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine chase gave. What would become a famous speech to the PR Society of America in it? He said companies needed quote managers of the mind. And that's where PR came in instead of trying to sell the public on the idea that a corporation's values were aligned with their own. Chase argued that. Pr professionals should be shifting those values to align with corporate interests. And that they could do that by shaping culture and public policy two years after giving this each cheese created the ad that convinced. America that packaging waste was the fault of individual consumers and not industry. Some people have a deep abiding respect for the natural beauty. That was once this country. Some people don't people start pollution in case you haven't seen it. This ad depicts a native American man in a canoe being dismayed at all the litter. That's around him in a river and then on the land and ends with some person in a car throwing trash that lands at his feet and then a close up on his face with a single tier coming down it it's known as the quote unquote crying Indian ad. Although it started an Italian American actor portraying native American man in the decades since it was released this ad has become one of the most cited examples of greenwashing and corporate propaganda. It was put out as a public service announcement which you would think is just funded by nonprofits who care about the environment. But in actual fact it was paid for by packaging companies. The AD did get a few critics but it mostly achieved what chase set out to do it. Reframed the idea of pollution in consumers minds from a systemic problem caused by mass production. Anna lack of regulation to individual one litterbugs chase began pushing for companies to hire not just PR directors but also issue management specialists. He started newsletters and eventually even start at a trade group for this new profession called the Issue Management Association. His ideas took hold fairly quickly and within a few years. Most companies were hiring issue management directors by the mid eighties. The ground had shifted again from activists using the propaganda techniques of corporations to fight for the public good to companies redefining what the public good was and positioning themselves as the activists fighting for it. Next time we'll meet another secret force engineering. The public interest John Hill like a lot of our Madman hill started out as a journalist before making his way into pr and he worked for. You've guessed it both. 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1948, Dewey vs. Truman: The Gangbuster

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1948, Dewey vs. Truman: The Gangbuster

"September nineteen thirty one at a restaurant on West. Twenty Second Street on Coney Island in Brooklyn New York. A man in his late fifties is on the restaurant payphone. US Irate the woman on the other end of the line. His employees sue tries her best to sweet. Talk You. Dear never mind that deer stuff. cockeyed Lou isn't in the mood for Games today. Sue was late for a meeting and in lose line of work. Tardiness is not tolerant. Look here soon. When you were sent over there, you were told to be there at twelve noon. I know Lou but I well noon. Not One not one thirty I. Don't give a good goddamn. That Cocker Joe Faster I don't care if he's your sweetheart. That's son of a bitch doesn't know nothing about this business and you can tell him I don't give a damn for him or his six girls. I've more girls than he ever thought of. Sutras her best to defuse the situation now. Is that anyway to talk to a lady? Maybe you don't want to work for you. Know more lose. Patience is wearing thin, but he tries his best to keep his anger under control and to articulate to sue that if she doesn't get her act together, there will be consequences, so you are a very nice girl and I sure do like you. What I don't like trouble. Arguments and fights pain this game well. I'm not going to work for you anymore then. And I don't give a damn. Lose at the end of his rope and soon knows it. She also knows this isn't the sort of job. A girl can just walk away from so immediately. She walks bachelor length threat now. Lou Honey I'm only fooling. Everything will be alright. You'll see we come as soon. Lewis Winer also known as cockeyed Lou, was part of a vast network of pimps, madames and prostitutes. On that day in September, nineteen, thirty-one Lou had no idea that the police were listening to his conversation on a wiretap in July nineteen thirty one. The cops received an anonymous letter, pointing them in the direction of a prostitution ring. Within weeks, the police were surveilling cockeyed. and. By September, they had wiretap up at one of his regular haunts a restaurant in coney island. Didn't take long for cockeyed Lou to lead the cops to the real boss of his criminal enterprise Charles Lucky Luciano. Eventually transcript of one of the TAP conversations made its way to the desk of young intrepid New York prosecutor, named Thomas Doing. Do is fight against organized crime. In new. York would catapult him to national stardom and position him as de facto leader of the Republican Party. Election, nineteen forty eight. I'm Lindsey Graham and this is American elections wicked game. In the Nineteen Thirties organized crime was rampant and taking on the mob in New York was a dangerous proposition but New York. Prosecutor Thomas do was not one to run from a fight. DEWEES investigation and subsequent prosecution of mobster. Lucky Luciano helped launch his political career. Dewey's rise in Republican politics was meteoric. Do we would serve as US attorney in the southern district of New, York District Attorney For New York County, the governor of New, York and finally the Republican nominee for president in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty four. Though. Do we lost that election to FDR? He did not lose his status inside his party. In the nineteen forty eight contest do he would again try for the White House. But to take back the presidency for the Republicans, do with I have to rise to the top of a crowded field of potential nominees and challenging incumbent president, fighting through a barrage of opposition. This is episode forty, one, nineteen, forty eight. Do we versus Truman Purses Thurmond versus Wallace Gang Buster? Four Time Harry Truman was a popular president in large part because of his leadership during the latter part of World War, two by May of Nineteen forty-five Hitler was dead, Germany had surrendered, and the Axis powers had crumbled safe for Japan which fought on alone worried that an invasion of Japan would be too costly in American lives. Truman resorted to other methods. On, August sixth nineteen forty-five, the United States dropped the newly developed atomic bomb on Hiroshima Japan days later, a second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki Truman's faithful decision brought a swift end to the war, but it also had unintended consequences. The American economy struggled to adjust to the abrupt peacetime inflation. Spite taxes remained high prices soared even as wages, stagnated and labor unrest grew. Grew more ubiquitous overseas. The wartime coalition between the United States, and the USSR broke apart as Eastern Europe fell under the control of the Soviets. The ensuing Cold War between the free, West and the Communist East left many Americans fearful that America's enemies might develop an atomic bomb of their own and many Americans laid the blame for all of this at Truman's feet. Going into the nineteen forty-six midterms Republicans across the country ran on a simple but effective campaign slogan in the form of a question. Had, enough. Another pond to err, is Truman and the Republicans Anti Truman campaign worked in the nineteen forty-six midterms. Republicans trounced the Democrats, the GOP, one back the house, and the Senate to further check the Democrats the Republican controlled Congress pushed through the Twenty Second Amendment which limited a president to two terms, a direct shot at the late Franklin Delano Roosevelt and going into the nineteen forty eight contest Republican saw, further opportunity and a means to put an end to the Democrats longstanding presidential streak. The man many hoped would lead the charge against Harry. Truman was New York Governor Thomas Dewey. Dewey we announce his candidacy in January of nineteen forty-eight in the minds of many dewey political moderate, was a perfect foil to Truman, though Truman and dewey largely agreed on foreign policy. Do we was much more conservative in his approach to domestic affairs? By though do he was the front runner in the minds of many he was not the first candidate in the race to measure Republicans had already declared senator. Robert Taft the son of America's Twenty-seventh, President William Howard Taft and Harold Stassen. The former governor of Minnesota and both men gave Dewi plenty of cause for concern. Taft had sharp intellect, a famous last name and a nickname that matched his classically conservative Persona Mr Republican. Taft was a tried and true conservative, and with the rising tension of the Cold War looming taft ran his campaign on an isolationist platform which drew sharper contrast with Truman. But Harold Stassen was the more immediate threat in the arena of Republican. Politics do was accustomed to being the young fresh face candidate going up against men decades his senior Harold Stassen, though was five years his junior statins youthful energy earned him the nickname board governor, and because do we in staff, and we're not far apart politically to win the nomination do we would have more women vigour than Stan in the Republican primary? The primary system in the nineteen forties look very different from the one us today now to win delegates in the various state primaries, those delegates are bound to vote for that candidate at the party convention. In the nineteen forties, most delegates were not chosen by popular vote. They were chosen by party leaders in the individual states, only a small portion of delegate votes were actually decided by the primary contests, so the nomination was still won or lost at conventions, but in nineteen forty eight, the primary contests still held significance, they were way for candidates to test the viability of their message with the people. If a candidate performed well, it could create momentum going into the summer convention. They fell flat. Often their candidacy would fizzle. Do we ran adapt primary campaign while ingratiating himself to party leaders in the various states. Do we was the Polish face of a well orchestrated PR campaign? His time fighting the mob in New York had taught him what he believed was a valuable lesson about being in the public eye. Restraint is better than passion. Passion might put people off calm. Restraint would give them confidence and do. His manner gave party leaders, the confidence to line his pockets with campaign funds. which do we used on carefully crafted ads in newspapers, magazines and the radio do we was always careful with his words fully aware that saying the wrong thing might cost him the nomination. Stassen on the other hand was never shy about speaking his mind. He had a natural charm and charisma, and he was not afraid to break. The mold status had announced his candidacy back in nineteen forty six two years before the election extremely early in this time Stassen was arguably the first ever presidential candidate to launch a door to door canvassing campaign, according to life magazine in the early part of nineteen forty eight staff, and traveled six thousand miles knocking on doors, talking directly to the people. He recruited a staff of eager college students to help him campus. He raised. Raised loads of money. He articulated his opinions to the press, and he was on the rise, and though do we won the first primary contest in New Hampshire Stassen, won a handful of delegates, and for many was gaining momentum stassen won the next two primaries in Wisconsin and Nebraska, and not long after the Nebraska primary a Gallup poll, showed status, and well ahead of Thomas Dewey nationwide for the dewey campaign. The True Primary Test was in Oregon on May Twenty First Nineteen, Forty eight for Dui. It was do or Die Stan. One do we might have to withdraw? Politically Stassen and dewey. We're not too differentiated on domestic issues both to moderate approach, but they differed on at least one question, though how best to fight the rise of communism at home. Largely derived from the thinking of Karl Marx Communism is a political ideology based on common ownership, were rather state ownership of the means of production and absence of social classes for most Americans. In the late nineteen forties, the term communism was synonymous with the Soviet Union that meant a stifling centrally planned state economy and government controlled society, absent, many personal liberties that Americans held dear as such communism was largely considered anti-american, and as with USSR's growing influence on other nations Americans came to view the Communist Party of the United. States with scepticism, fear and often hysteria. So for many primary voters in one, thousand, nine, forty, eight, both Republicans and Democrats Communism was a major campaign issue, perhaps the issue. For weeks tasks and had been pressing dewey to meet him in a debate. Do had done his best to avoid it. Worrying statins charm when easily overcome his taciturn nature, but with the nomination on the line. Do we finally accepted days before the Oregon primary the restrained do we lucent his lips? He took on the subject of communism and use it as a weapon to try Knox task them out of the race. It's May seventeenth nineteen, forty eight at a radio station in Portland Oregon on one side of a glass wall over fifty reporters cram inside a small studio on the other side to candidates. Sit in front of a microphone, preparing to spar you all about to hear a debate between governor Thomas, e Dewey A and Herald East Essen candidates for the Republican nomination to the presidency of the United States. The question on the table is this. Should the Communist Party be outlawed in the United States governor staff and leads off and argues the affirmative, but free countries must take action to protect themselves against this fifth column in this unsettled period, which has been called a code who are? Stassen emphasizes the point that the Communist Party. If unchecked might be used as a weapon by the Soviet government, there's no on America to prevent these communist organizations from secretly developing organizations of hidden members from carrying on secret conspiracies to promote strikes. Stir up hatred between races and religions in America and from following their directions from Moscow. As staff and wraps up his affirmative argument. He's confident. He's made his case and Thomas Dewey's nervous statins campaign has been picking up steam and winning primaries. If do, he loses this debate, he may very well lose the Republican nomination as he lays out his negative argument do he emphasizes that suppressing communism is not the answer why Andrew? is in preserving this country. From being destroyed. By, the development of an underground organization. Which would? Grow so colossally in strength where it outlawed. that it might easily destroy our country and causes to draft all of the young men in the nation. Do, we believe that the best way to kill communism is to force communist out into the open and win the war of ideas as he wraps up his argument against outlawing communism. Do we appeal to the constitutional conservatives in his party? I'm against it because it's a violation of the constitution of the United States into the bill of rights and clearly so. I'm against it because it's immoral and nothing totalitarianism itself. I'm against it because I know from a great many years experience as a in the enforcement of the law that the proposal wouldn't work. And instead it would rapidly advance the cause of communism in the United, states and all over the world. And then in his final rebuttal staff and makes a mistake, the plays right into his hands. Bernie. We've narrowed this question down very much. At hinges now primarily on the month Nixon Bill. The Munt Nixon Bill sponsored by Representative Richard Nixon of California Representative Karl Months of South Dakota is currently before Congress. stassen supports it. We might make them bill. Shall be unlawful for any person to attempt in any manner. Established in the United States. Totalitarian dictators you. I hope that that directly fits and obliged to the Communist Party organization in the United States and in the world. Today. Staff has just made a colossal error. The Mont Nixon built does not ban the communist by name in his response to use his staff ignorance to his advantage that the author of the Bill Mr Mont.. The committee which sponsored it both say in the official records of the Congress of the United States that the bill does not outlaw the communist party now if Mister Status and says that that is all he wants. Then, he has completely surrendered. Because? He's admits that he didn't mean it when he's been demanding from one end to this country to the other that the Communist Party outlawed. And, he's willing to settle now. When confronted with the facts for a law, which the author and the committee say does not outlaw the party, which of course it doesn't do. We then points out that he agrees Mont Nixon Bill should pass, but only if it's constitutional the month bill, if perfectly harmless, probably it may have the virtue of helping. Keep them out in the open. That is a very good provisions of law. The other parts of if their constitutional, there's well. The dewey staff and debate was the first nationally broadcast debate of presidential hopefuls in American history. Forty million Americans listened over the radio as Thomas Dewey unraveled staff argument immediately following the Bay, many commentators declared that the tide of the Republican primary was turning into his favor four days later. 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Despite the fact that most party insiders considered dewey the front runner, he still faced serious opposition at the Convention with Herald Staff, and no longer a serious threat Robert? Taft was perhaps his biggest competitor and on June twentieth one day before the Convention. Taft made a big announcement. He told the press that he and Harold Stassen had formed an alliance and that together they were going to block dewey from winning the nomination after the Dewey Stassen. Debates stands, candidacy was all, but over he could not Garner enough delegates to win the nomination, but he still had a swath of delegates pledged to his side, and he might be able to use them to help. Taft Eke out a victory. Republican Party leaders wanted a peaceful convention, and for good reason, the nineteen forty eight Republican convention was broadcast over a new medium that was changing the face of communication television. Though the new technological wonder was gaining popularity throughout the nation. It's reach was regional and not yet national, but that didn't stop convention attendees awareness of the cameras. They knew very well. That television changed appearances as Time magazine observed good looking women turn into witches and Dapper men, become unshaven bums, and with television broadcasts of the nineteen forty eight Republican National Convention, having the potential to reach a half million screens and the surrounding area convention. Ten Dis were conscious of their looks. Thomas. Dewey was fully aware of the potential impact of television for decades party leaders engaged in negotiations with delegates sometimes out in the open right on the convention floor. Do we wisely instructed his managers to conduct all official campaign business away from the eyes of the cameras? Some of these out of sight negotiations to. And Taft by surprise in order for staff into block his path and helped half take the nomination. The state, of Pennsylvania was a must win going into the convention, Pennsylvania was already firmly in the taff column, but Stassen Taft didn't anticipate Thomas Dewey's deft political maneuvering. On June, twenty second nineteen, forty eight. The State of Pennsylvania made a sudden announcement that took the convention by surprise. The Keystone State announced that it was switching its votes from taft to doing. Afterwards one delegate call that there goes the ballgame. It's unclear exactly. What do we trade it away to secure Pennsylvania? But the story does reveal important fact about the candidate. Dewey's political skill was not charming, a crowd or shining in front of a camera. It was working the party machinery behind closed doors. At a press conference after the Pennsylvania announcement when reporters asked how he felt, he answered with a smile and a short sentence I feel swell. On this wall called. The delegates to this convention. HAVE CAST. One Thousand Ninety four votes. Thomas e Dewey of New York or President of the United. States an I declare that he is nominated unanimously all the Republican nomination president of the United States. Do, we won the Republican nomination on the third ballot. The party platform was a reflection of his policies, moderate and anti-isolationist. Do we also made a wise pick for vice president, the Popular California Governor Earl Warren a future Supreme Court justice. Do He didn't believe in passion or theatrics. He fought his battles thoughtfully and often through secret negotiation. Skills were enough to win the Republican primary, but would they be enough to overcome incumbent president? Harry Truman. The Dewey campaign was confident that could, especially as they knew, they weren't. The only opposition President Truman was facing in the lead up to their nineteen forty convention, the Democratic Coalition looked ready to splinter to win. The Democratic nomination for President Truman would have to contend with too extreme actions in his own party one from the right and one from the left. In the nineteen forties, the Democratic Party was teetering on the brink in large part, because many Democrats were fed up with Harry Truman. Fear of Communist infiltration into American society was widespread, too many President Truman's Truman doctrine, which sought to use containment to prevent the further spread of communism, internationally was a failed policy, but for many Progressives Truman stance on communism was far too harsh, and for many conservatives Truman's nonstop. The issues of civil rights were a major cause for concern and so in the nineteen forty eight election. Truman would have a fight on his hands. The first round was with his commerce. Secretary Henry Wallace. By the standards of his day Henry, Wallace was extremely liberal. He had served as FDR's first vice president, but eventually walls, pro civil rights, and Pro Labor views had alienated him from many conservative Democrats especially in the south, ultimately FDR had been forced to part ways with Wallace in his place. He had selected Harry Truman as his running mate at the nineteen forty four Democratic convention as a consolation prize Wallace was named FDR's commerce, secretary, For Truman. The first sign of trouble with Wallace had occurred back in nineteen forty six. Truman took a hardline stance against the Soviets leaving. America should compete with the USSR for Global Dominance Wallace believed the two nations should coexist peacefully, and then America should adopt a policy of cooperation. Wallace was far too vocal with these opinions for Truman's liking and so Truman asked for his resignation. But unknowingly by jetting Wallace Truman had set the stage for conflict in the nineteen forty eight election. It wasn't long before Wallace announced his intention to run as a presidential candidate for the newly revived Progressive Party, and throughout the spring and summer of nineteen, forty, eight Wallace's campaign picked up steam. The audiences at his rallies had steadily grown, as had the dollars had managed to race. But going into the Democratic National Convention in July nineteen forty. Eight, Henry Wallace wasn't Truman's biggest obstacle that was overcoming opposition from his own party. Especially Southern Democrats the southern Democrats did not want Harry Truman a man. They saw as being too friendly to the issue of civil rights and many Progressive Democrats who would not join Henry Wallace and the progressive. Party were eager firm alternative as well. For many the answer was obvious. General Dwight, D Eisenhower, whereas he's more commonly known I. I was publicly a political agnostic, neither a committed Republican, nor affirmed Democrat this fact alone made him dangerous because I had the potential to build a bipartisan coalition additionally Ike Saronic, leadership in World War Two had made him a household name. The American people knew him, and they trusted him, so the Anti Truman. Camp made appeal to the general, luckily for Truman Eisenhower did not want the job on July ninth nineteen, Forty eight Ike released a statement, saying in no uncertain terms that he would not accept the Democratic nomination for president leaving Truman's path to the nomination looking clear. But days later at the Democratic National Convention Philadelphia. The forces of opposition would make one last stand. Going into the Convention Truman and the Democratic leadership knew that a fight over civil rights was coming, and so did the southern Democrats prior to the convention. The Alabama delegation had pledged that if the party adopted a civil rights plank in the platform, their delegates would walk out even so the week before the convention, the Committee in charge of the platform powered ahead with Truman's blessing and drafted a civil rights plank. The final version stated that the Democratic Party would work to eradicate all racial religious and economic discrimination. We again state our belief that racial and religious minorities have the right to live the right to work the right to vote the full and equal protection of the law. When the plank was read aloud, the convention, southern delegates immediately pushed back one Mississippi delegate called out, give us the right to govern our own fundamental affairs Minneapolis Mayor Hubert Humphrey and author of the Civil Rights. Plank didn't back down. I say the time has come to walk out of the shadow of state's. And into the sunlight of human rights. Southern delegates argued that the plank was too much change too fast. Humphry responded to those who say that we are rushing the issue of civil rights I. Say to them. We are one hundred seventy two years late. The civil rights plank past six eighty, two to six fifty one Alabama walked out first then Mississippi to the sound of booze, and his the delegates ripped off their badges and toss them aside. The rest of the southern delegation stayed, I'll be begrudgingly. Southerners put forth a protest candidate, but he was a futile resistance Harry Truman won the nomination on the first ballot, but to pacify the embittered southerners, and in an attempt to foster party. Unity Truman Selected Kentucky senator all W Barclay as his running mate, but party unity would be hard to come by on the night of Truman's acceptance speech. All Hell would break loose. July nineteen, forty, eight, the delegates of the Democratic National Convention crammed into Philadelphia's conventional. It's late and the delegates are exhausted to Democrats stand near the front of the stage DNC official Jack Reading in Ohio Congressman Mike Kirwin whose face is dripping with sweat. Oh, it is hot as Hades in here hundred degrees at least up swimming in my own sweat. Well, who isn't? Outside the summer heat is sweltering inside the hall. The only thing more pronounced than the heat is the tension. Harry Truman has won the nomination, but the path to victory was deeply contentious soon. Truman will make his acceptance speech, but before he does party leaders have a special event plan convention chairman. Sam Rayburn takes the stage and speaks into the microphone distinguish Elliott's. It is my pleasure to introduce to you. Mrs Emma Goofy Miller. Miller the sister of a well known Democratic Senator is hoping to lighten the mood. Emma Commission that Pennsylvania Forest Association to make a surprise for President Truman a massive Liberty Bell may not have flowers that weighs nearly one hundred fifty pounds. The bell sits on stage for all the delegates to see. As Miller walks onto the platform. The crowd goes wild. The two men near the front of the stage turn their attention from the heat to the flowers. What's this all? Just waiting to see Mrs Miller has a surprise in store for us. What kind of surprise agents? Herlin seems confused, but on the last break reading saw the pigeons himself hidden away in secret compartments inside the Liberty Bell. Before reading has a chance to explain. Mrs Miller waves her hand and gives a secret signal. The trap door when Lisa's and nearly forty pigeons take flight, but immediately Mrs Miller notices. Something is wrong to of the pigeons are dead in their cages from the heat and the lucky survivors don't make an orderly exit. Most fly to the rafters, but a handful go preserve. One of the pigeons lands on Chairman Ravens head. He swatted away screaming. Other pigeons fly right over the heads of delegates, leaving splatters of droppings in their wake. People scream shout docked to the ground and covered their heads to prevent the pigeon from packing their ISO. Jack Reading shakes his head in disbelief. He's the DNC publicist. He had nothing to do with this preposterous stunt. A turns a congressman current. And what Damn fool could have thought of a thing like this? This heat all be dead. Bad enough having the southerners in the Wallace I`ts actress. Now we gotta have someone arraigned for the SPCA to have as. The unleashing of the pigeons, from Mrs, Millers Liberty Bell was meant to be a celebration. The chaos that ensued was perhaps a portend of what was to come in July the same month. As the Democratic Convention, the Progressive Party met in Philadelphia and officially nominated Henry Wallace days later the Democrats who had walked out held a convention of their own in Birmingham Alabama there the newly-formed state's rights party, commonly known as the dixiecrats nominated the fiery South Carolina Governor J Strom Thurmond, while it progressives called for an end to the cold. War The dixiecrats defended segregation condemned federal encroachment into state's rights. For Truman this month. July was a disaster. His party had splintered into three factions and a much-needed post convention. Bump in the polls never came. So by the end of July Thomas, dewey was well ahead in every national poll, many in the press pronounced troops candidacy dead. Many in the Truman Administration Lost Hope, but Harry Truman did not as the fall campaign got underway in earnest, Truman would try to inject his staff with a shot of optimism. He would attempt to pull off one of the greatest upset victories in history of presidential elections. It's late July nineteen forty eight at sixteen, hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. The mood at the white. House is frantic but SOM- The national polls show Thomas Dewey with a commanding lead most Washington insiders agree. Truman's candidacy is doomed. Truman and his staff gathering the Oval Room to discuss the upcoming presidential contest as staffers go back, and forth strategizing and analyzing his prospects for Victory Truman sits at his desk quietly, taking it all in. He sends his more than discouragement from the group. He sends his defeat. Concern Truman listens intently as one of his staffers talk to his press, secretary and close friend Charlie Ross. Helpless Charlie nothing is hopeless. We have no chance of winning none at all. As we can do go down fighting. Hearing, this Truman suddenly stands. The room falls to a hush all turn to the president. He speaks in a firm and steady voice we. are going to win. Truman is not the sort of man to accept defeat. He slowly walks around to the front of his desk with determination in his eyes and intensity and his voice. He proceeds to rally the troops I expect to travel all across this country. I expect to talk at every whistle-stop. We're going to be on the road from Labor. Day to the end of the campaign chairman stairs, the defeated staffer down. It's going to be tough on everybody, but that's the way it's gotta be I know I can take. Then Truman flashes, a slight grin with a twinkle in his eye. He turns to address the whole room. I'm only afraid. I'll kill some of my staff. And I like you all very much. I don't WanNa do that. Charlie Ross like to say that. As far as he was concerned. The election of nineteen, forty eight was one that day in the Oval Room. Truman's daughter Margaret had a theory about where her father's optimism came from in her book Harry Truman. Martyred recounts a letter. Her father sent to his sister earlier that year in the letter President Truman wrote just three years ago, I was sworn in as president seems an age, and it has been two wars were in progress were supporting both I ordered the atomic bomb to be dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki who was a terrible decision, but I made it, and I'd make it again to save two hundred fifty thousand boys from the United States. I've still a long way to go. It will be a rough road. Can't be any worse than the trail behind. According to his daughter Margaret Truman felt he had to win. The fate of the world hung in the balance earlier in the year Truman had written if it were not for the world situation, my lack of confidence in the presidential candidates I'd throw the whole works out the window. Go home. And stay. At the nineteen forty eight Democratic Convention Truman had vowed to fight hard and give the Republicans. Hell on the campaign trail at sixty four years old. Truman did just that in September and October of nineteen, Forty Eight Truman traveled over twenty thousand miles by train, giving speeches as many as ten per day, his large crowds frequently chanted, give them Hell Harry. On the campaign trail, Truman promised to give to the communist to and he blamed the Republican controlled Congress for forcing him to confront the issue with one hand, tied behind his back to a crowd of thousands in Oklahoma City determined to cried. I charge that the Republicans have impeded and made more difficult our efforts to cope with communism in this country Truman, urged the Oklahoma audience not to sit at home, but go out and vote. Truman attack. The do nothing good for nothing Republicans mercilessly calling them bloodsuckers and Glutton's of privilege to appeal to progressive new. Deal Democrats Truman slammed Republicans for their anti Labor positions as Truman call for instituting fair labor laws and raising the minimum wage. But despite Truman's heroic efforts, Thomas Dewey was still ahead in the polls. A Gallup poll in October show, do we with a comfortable lead? Forty nine point five percent to Truman's forty four point five percent in the final weeks of the campaign, major newspapers across the country declared the dewey's victory was all but certain life magazine ran a picture of Dewey with the caption, the next president of the United States the Chicago Tribune, was so confident of Dewey's victory than on election night. They went to press early in the headline Dewey Defeats Truman. It's become one of the most famous printing errors in American history on election day in nineteen, forty, eight Harry Truman one over twenty, four million popular votes and three hundred and three electoral votes, defeating Dewey, who received just under twenty, two million popular votes and one eighty nine electoral votes. The Democrats fared well across the board, reclaiming the House and the Senate. Two days later one of the one hundred fifty thousand copies of the erroneously headlines Chicago. Tribune made its way into the hands of Harry Truman, who stood on the back of a train car in Saint Louis the Tribune had previously written off Truman calling him a Nincompoop on the back of that train car. Truman had his revenge. He held up a copy the paper and smiled as a slew photographers captured the moment and the Tribune's greed just mistake for history. In the nineteen forty eight election, Progressive Democrats mainly farmers, laborers and union workers largely voted for Truman Truman also received a larger portion of the African American. Vote than FDR and most significantly. Truman's victory proved that a Democrat could win. The White House without a solid south standing behind him. If the DIXIECRATS had not defected from the Democratic Party. Truman's margin of victory would have been even bigger Strom Thurmond, one thirty nine electoral votes that likely would have gone to Truman progressive candidate Henry Wallace received none. In the end it might be said that the nineteen four eight election came down to personality. Truman had the pluck of an underdog, the fight of a man with nothing to lose these qualities endeared him to the American. People do we on the other hand was careful with his words to such an extreme that he often came off as bland, unapproachable and stiff as one contemporary observer noted, do was like the little man on the wedding. In addition Truman's was arguably the better campaign, his fair deal for America, which advocated for universal healthcare and a raise, minimum wage, and delivered the people hope, and his Truman doctrine against communism made. Many Americans feel that they were in safe hands. But during his first elected turn Truman's hardline on communism would be put to the test. The tension of the Cold War would intensify and in a surprise move USSR would successfully detonate their own Tomek, bom. Communist would gain control in China and bloody conflict in Korea would turn into protracted quagmire Truman's popularity would plummet, and as the Democrat search for a new leader. The Republicans would try to rise to power on the back of a famous World War Two general, Dwight, D Eisenhower, but in the nineteen fifty to contest for the Republican. Establishment I would prove difficult to control. On the next episode of the game, the election of Nineteen fifty-two Dwight ICENHOWER. 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'Unmaking the Presidency'

The Lawfare Podcast

36:32 min | 3 months ago

'Unmaking the Presidency'

"So as the trump presidency progressed and his attacks on the norms of the traditional presidency continued the question shifted from whether the presidency would change trump to whether and how trump would change the presidency are object in. This book is to take this question seriously. The presidency is not a static institution as we shall see it evolved dramatically over the course of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries evolved in how it is organized evolved in how it interacts with the public and Congress evolved even in how it sounds. The presidency is changeable and insistent medically violating the norms of the traditional presidency. Trump is proposing to change it. He is proposing not just a president can do certain things but the president should do these things. I'm Susan Hennessy. And this is the law fair. Podcast may tenth twenty twenty. This week's episode is an audio book. Excerpt from the introduction of Benjamin. What US and my recent book unmaking the presidency? Donald Trump's war on the world's most powerful office from the moment of his inauguration trump has challenged our deepest expectations of the presidency. But what are those expectations? Where did they come from? And how great is the damage on making the presidency situates trump era scandals and outrages in the deeper context of the presidency itself now the corona virus pandemic presents one of the greatest challenges? The modern American executive has ever faced. How did we get here and in Donald Trump's hands? Where does the world's most powerful go from here? It's the l'affaire podcast on making the presidency. Introduction it's modern day presidential the steel gray skies on the morning of January twentieth. The two thousand seventeen opens now and then for the occasional drizzle of rain. It was not the worst weather that had afflicted a presidential inauguration. At William Howard Inauguration. A snowstorm forced the entire ceremony indoors. By contrast the temperature the day that Donald J trump became the forty fifth president of the United States reached a comparatively balmy forty nine degrees yet the inaugural parade route typically filled to capacity with well-wishers had only sparse crowds an empty bleachers lined. Pennsylvania Avenue cameras broadcast the scene around the world has commentators narrated the day's events in hushed and sombre tones more befitting a state funeral than the dawn of a new presidential administration. The scene on the Capital Day was undeniably strange. Quote some Weird Shit and quote as former President George W Bush reportedly called it as he left the stage when it was all over it was strange. Even before the newly inaugurated president began speaking of quote American carnage and quote in his first address in that capacity as is the custom the living former. Us presidents attended the event. Jimmy Carter was there. George H W Bush was too ill to attend at the time but the younger Bush and his wife Laura represented. The family trump had vanquished Bush's other son Jab eleven months prior in the early Republican primaries. And he had savaged. George W Bush rhetorically at various points. It was no secret that neither the elder nor the younger Bush had voted for trump in the end. Even though trump was the standard bearer for their party most is however rested on a different family of trump foes former secretary of State Hillary Clinton attending with her husband bill in her capacity as the former first lady ten weeks earlier trump had defeated Hillary Clinton in a stunning upset that reverberated around the globe. The two thousand sixteen campaign was without question. The nastiest in modern American history trump had hurled nightly invective against his opponent whom he called quote. Crooked Hillary and quote stadium crowds at his rallies and at the Republican National Convention had chanted quote. Lock her up and quote in one especially low moment before a debate. After trump held a press conference with women who earlier had accused Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct? The two candidates could not even bring themselves to shake hands on stage in the run. Up to the inauguration. Some observers have speculated that the Clintons might not attend at all but would break with tradition out of a sense of injury or hostility or mortification or perhaps some combination of the three but Bill Clinton came and Hillary Clinton came. She wore her trademark pantsuit in suffragette white. She said on twitter that she attended in order to quote honor our democracy and its enduring values and quote but her presence loomed over the day a physical reminder that trump the candidate and trump. The president were at the end of the day. The same man. The inauguration prayers seem to be as much a rebuke of trump ben addiction. The Reverend Sexual Rodriguez and Evangelical Minister selected the sermon on the mount reading the beatitudes one by one God blesses those who were poor and quote. He prayed before a self professed billionaire quote. God blesses those who are humble end quote before the notorious Braggart as Rodriguez ticked through the list of favourite attributes. The Merciful The clean of Heart The peacemakers each stood in sharp contrast to trump than the one before the clock counted down to the key moment shortly before noon when Donald Trump stood before. Chief Justice John Roberts trump's wife. Melania held two bibles on which he placed his left hand. One was from trump's childhood. The other was the Bible. That Abraham Lincoln used to take his oath of office in eighteen sixty one and then trump raised his right hand and repeating. After Roberts swore the presidential oath of office. A momentary silence hung in the air. No lightning bolt struck. The ground did not open. The passage of power in the United States of America had taken place as quietly as ever yet in that moment an earthquake of sorts did occur because although the United States may have had more tragically misguided executives at its helm never before had it had as president demand more obviously misplaced in the office the mismatch reverberated across the country. With the very words of the oath itself. While for millions of trump's supporters the moment was one of triumph for a great many others sense of dread pervaded the air that morning. This thread had little to do with politics or policy programs it was not the normal apprehension one might have at the swearing in of politician. One opposes even many people who had cast their ballots for trump shared in a collective recognition. That the man's swearing this oath was simply not the sort of man who was supposed to be president of the United States that mismatch and the challenge it poses to the trump assumed that day are the subjects of this book. This mismatch is fundamentally a question of character at its core to a far greater degree than Americans commonly imagined. The office of the presidency depends on a measure of civic virtue. We don't mean civic virtue in the lofty or nostalgic sense expecting our elected leaders to be scholar statesman who can theorize system of government as easily as they can lead one nor do we mean virtue in the sense of personal righteousness and purity. Americans have long. Since given up the expectation that the country's leaders will be on a par with its founders. Even as the founders own luster has tarnished over time the presidency has had its share of rogues and villains and incompetence that said a certain common understanding of the presidency has prevailed over more than two centuries and this understanding call at the traditional presidency carries with it certain expectations it does not expect presidents to be Paragon of virtue but it does expect them to espouse shared values and to at least pose as role models. It expects presidents to speak of service and putting others before self it expects presidents to at a minimum pay lip service to following the law and embracing ethos of civic duty and it pervasively depends on. President's thinking that they enforce and comply with rules in good faith. By contrast it was resoundingly clear on January twentieth. Two thousand seventeen. Donald Trump's life and candidacy were an ongoing rejection of civic virtue. Even if we define the term loosely from the earliest days of his campaign he declared war on the traditional presidencies expectations of behavior. He was flagrant in his personal immorality boasting of marital infidelity and belittling political opponents with lewd insults. He had constructed his entire professional identity around gold plated excess and luxury and the branding of self as a candidate. He remained unabashed in his greed and personal ambition. Even his namesake charitable foundation was revealed to be merely a shell for self-dealing. He bragged that finding ways to avoid paying taxes made him quote smart and quote. The overriding message of trump's life and of his campaign was that kindness is weakness. Manners are for wimps and the public interest is for suckers. He never spoke of the presidential office other than as an extension of himself in America in two thousand sixteen. That turned out to be a winning message. The reasons why have been treated in depth elsewhere it was a function of political polarization domestically of myriad forces driving the appeal of authoritarian populists globally of the dramatic loss of confidence in political elites and of a media ecosystem in which voters can increasingly choose their own realities. It was a function. No doubt of the resurgence of race as a salient political identity. For many white voters and critically for present purposes it was a function of political parties loss of control over their own nominating processes. We will leave to others. The question of how to assess trump's appeal and the social conditions that allow him to flourish. The relevant facts for now is that the appeal was broad enough for trump to win three hundred six electoral votes and thus acquire the privilege of taking the oath of office that day and so a man who quite proudly rejected personal and public virtue now occupied an office designed by people who valued nothing higher. George Washington had said that quote virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government and quote. John Adams had insisted that public virtue. The only foundation republics could not quote exist in a nation without private virtue and quote Alexander. Hamilton had written that virtue and honour were the foundation of confidence that underpinned the institution of delegated power and quote the Contemporary Anglo Irish philosopher. Edmund Burke had famously declared that quote society cannot exist unless controlling power upon will an appetite placed somewhere and the less of it there is within the more there must be without it is ordained in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot be free and quote trump. Had said to hell with all that and he had gotten elected anyway. It's true that many presidents seem petty when measured against the founders but trump was different even from prior unsavory men who had attained the presidency. They had at least feigned that they cared about these values and expectations. Trump had campaigned against them and one on that basis therein lay the MISMATCH BETWEEN TRUMP. And the office. He now occupied. He did not even pretend to share a common understanding with his predecessors of its nature and purpose trump had his own vision and it was radically different from what the traditional presidency assumes and demands at the moment he swore his oath. The mismatch screamed across the city across the airwaves and across the centuries from the very moment of his inauguration he was violating the deepest normative expectations of the traditional presidency and the violations continued the first years of the trump administration saw such frequent and profound disruptions to widespread expectations of the presidency. That the word norm became something of a cliche. It became commonplace to observe that. Many deeply ingrained assumptions. About what presidents will and will not do were matters of law but of custom. Within a few days of trump's inauguration the Washington Post had launched a podcast entitled. Can he do that which announced in its introductory trailer that quote trump is approaching the presidency in ways that nobody has done before so one of the questions that keeps coming up is what exactly can? The president do and quote but viewing trump's presidency merely as a series of breaches doesn't quite capture its significance radicalism. And asking. Can he do that? Isn't exactly the right question? Either the answer is almost invariably yes he can do some or all of that or at least he can try as we will see. The presidency itself stripped down to its legal. Essence is actually a pretty spare institution. The constitution doesn't describe much about what a modern day president should actually do. It doesn't address whether he or she should run an interagency policy process through the National Security Council or just shoot from the hip. It doesn't say whether it's proper for a president to demand loyalty from her. Fbi Director or to menace her attorney general for recusing himself from an investigation. That directly concerns the president. It doesn't say that he shouldn't use the presidency to enrich himself or his family. It doesn't even say that she should tell the truth or more. Generally be a decent or honorable person except that she should swear an oath of office in which she promises Fidelity and care in the execution of the laws. These and countless other expectations of the modern presidency are extra constitutional drafts on the constitutions. Bare-bones model some of them early some of them surprisingly recent of them containing statutory elements but many of them simply reflection of developed public expectation over time in some ways therefore the trump presidency is a warped throwback to the presidency before countless expectations and bureaucratic structures developed around it. It's a reminder that honoring those expectations and engaging those bureaucratic structures is ultimately optional. Something presidents do. Because that's what presidents do because it worked for their predecessors and because they like so many other Americans have been conditioned never to consider the possibility of anything else. Think of Abraham Lincoln personally firing off telegrams to his generals with an eight or two by his side. Where the AIDS are Steve? Bannon Stephen Miller and the president is not the man who spoke of a quote new birth of freedom and quote but the one who spoke of quote Shithole countries end quote. Trump reminds us that all the accumulated graft onto the presidency are not essential features of the office. Under certain circumstances. They can be sloughed off at will. Throughout the presidential transition and in the wake of trump's inauguration many of his supporters and many non supporters as well imagined that the office would tame him. Trump's opponents would never embrace his policies of course but their fears would prove overblown. The argument went as this radically unconventional candidate would nevertheless be disciplined by the nature of the office and its strictures had. This prediction proved correct. We would not have written this book. Presidents can build trust that they may lack upon first entering office with a different man. It is possible to imagine that the uneasiness felt by those who watched him on the day. That day would have gone away over time but the office did not change trump special counsel Robert Mueller's final report offers the most authoritative account of his presidency disruptions but those disruptions go well beyond the ones explored by the special counsel within a day of his swearing. The Oath Trump headlight about basic factual information. Such as the size of his inauguration crowd launching a war against the press within a week he attacked traditional notions of executive branch process. Unleashing a major National Security Policy Initiative without any meaningful consultation with the government agencies. That are most qualified to know what the consequences might be. He began unsettling series of interactions with his law enforcement hierarchy almost immediately demanding loyalty from the FBI Director and then asking him to drop an investigation of his National Security Advisor. His presidency raised a series of ethical questions about his and his family's business dealings about which has been simultaneously unapologetic and secretive. He adopted a management style as chaotic as it was theatrical one that quickly had pundits across the political spectrum comparing the White House to a Reality Television Show. He pioneered a new form of presidential communication with the Public. The UNFILTERED TWITTER. Tantrum in which he lashed out in highly personal terms and often with militias lies at political foes and at anyone who angered him and he entered office dogged by the question unique in American history of his relationship with the intelligence apparatus of an adversarial foreign power and then made it to stymie the investigation of that question. Any hope that the presidency would discipline trump let alone tame him vaporized. Talk continued of the so-called pivot but as the weeks and months wore on it became more ironic than hopeful. There would be no pivot. There was just the man and the role to which he was so on suited. If the Muller report does nothing else it portrays a person wholly lacking in the moral and temperamental and character logical attributes the traditional presidency demands. Indeed what became clear was that trump was attacking the core expectations of the traditional presidency forged by more than two centuries of history and behavior yet apparently held in contempt by tens of millions of Americans. These expectations have been historically enforced by a political party. Structure that has impeded the public's access at the general election ballot box to figures who don't minimally conform to its norms. Radical departures from the traditional presidency have not happened in the past because the parties have filtered them out but the traditional presidency is not just the province of Party apparatchiks media elites in commentators. It is a creature of mass expectations as well large numbers of voters believe in and reinforce its expectations remember that. Clinton received more votes than did trump so as the trump presidency progressed and his attacks on the norms of the traditional presidency continued. The questions shifted from whether the presidency would change trump to whether in how trump would change the presidency are object in. This book is to take this question seriously. The presidency is not a static institution as we shall see it evolved dramatically over the course of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries evolved in how it is organized evolved in how it interacts with the public and Congress evolved even in how it sounds. The presidency is changeable and insists violating the norms of the traditional presidency. Trump is proposing to change it. He is proposing not just that a president can do certain things but that the president should do these things that his use of the office is legitimate and proper he is proposing a re-imagined nation of the office. He campaigned on that proposal. Which had resonance for millions of Americans who turned out to hold the strictures of the traditional presidency in low regard? He won the presidency in part by inflaming and exploiting the contempt. His supporters felt for the strictures of the office and he has governed in a fashion consistent with that part of his campaign. Trump's idea of the presidency has shown sufficient proof of concept that it warrants a systemic examination as a starting point. We take as a given the legal scholar. Jack Goldsmiths Blunt assessment of the man quote. We have never had a president. So ill informed about the nature of his office so openly mendacious so self destructive or so brazen in his abusive attacks on the courts the press congress including members of his own party and even senior officials within his own administration trump is a Frankenstein's monster of past presidents worst attributes Andrew Jackson's rage Millard fillmore bigotry. James Buchanan's incompetence in spite Theodore Roosevelt's self-aggrandizement Richard Nixon's paranoia and security and indifference to law and Bill Clinton's lack of self control and reflexive dishonesty and quote but what follows is not in any sense of biography of trump or a narrative history of his presidency. We do not purport to evaluate his policy proposals or the reasons for his election rather we offer a study of what happens to an institution like the American presidency when a person like this takes the oath of office and comes to embody it. It is an examination to put it a different way of what happens to the structure. When King Kong climbs the Empire State Building saying that trump is proposing a revision to the American presidency. May sound like it gives him too much credit. This is not after all a reflective man he is not a theoretician but if he's no woodrow Wilson a man who assumed the presidency having developed a systematic intellectual critique of the US political system and its institutions. Trump is clearly acting intentionally even if he is not operating according to any plan he quite consciously poses the question of how he fits into the historical presidency when he mocks what it means to be quote presidential and quote. He full well understands that he is plotting his own course he takes pride in it. He declared on twitter. Of course quote my use of social media is not presidential. It's modern day. Presidential end quote at a rally for a Republican congressional candidate named Rick Sokoto in Pennsylvania a year into his term trump told the crowd quote. You know how easy it is to be presidential but you all would be. Outta here right now. You'd be so bored because I could stand up and quote and he assumed an overly stiff demeanor and a deep sonorous voice saying quote. I'm very presidential ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for being here tonight. Rick Saccone will be a great great congressman. He will help me very much. He's a fine man and to all the military out there. We respect you very much. Thank you thank you and then you go. God bless you and God bless the United States of America. Thank you very much and quote and he tottered away from the microphone only to swing back a second later quote. See that easy. That's much easier than doing what I have to do. If I came here like a stiff you guys wouldn't be here tonight. And quote trump knows. He is proposing alternative. Our aim in this book is to examine the proposal. Most of all trump proposes a presidency that elevates the expressive and personal dimensions of the office over everything else it is one in which the institutional office and the personality of its occupants are almost entirely merged merged in their interests in their impulses in their finances and in their public character in elevating the expressive vanity plate dimensions of the office and making it a personal vehicle for the public self expression of the office holder. He proposes sublimating nearly all other traditional features of the presidency its management functions. It's expectations of good faith. Execution of law it's expectations of ethical conduct truthfulness and service this vision of the Presidency. Thus unsurprisingly produces a genuinely novel set of deployments of the executives traditional powers ones that are profoundly different from those of prior presidents trump's proposed revision is notably holistic in its nature. Previous presidents have most often sought to transform their office by expanding the edges of their authority. Sometimes they succeeded and sometimes they were pushed back. Consider Abraham Lincoln unilaterally suspending Habeas Corpus during the civil war and ultimately deciding to go to Congress for ratification of his decision or Harry Truman trying to seize the steel mills and having the Supreme Court blocked him or presidents over time going to war on their own authority and Congress letting it happen or Franklin Roosevelt threatening to pack the Supreme Court after it serially ruled against his new deal program and the court backing down just in time to head off the plan consider the electoral rebuke. Republicans suffered after Richard Nixon's abuses given such history. It is no surprise that when trump a man who wore his propensity to abuse power on his sleeve was elected president. Many commentators and critics feared similar efforts. They instinctively knew to treat his enthusiastic remarks in favor of torture and certain war-crimes as potentially more than mere words. They knew without being told to be concerned about the possibility of intelligence abuses. They worried about what he might do with drones they worried about which quote bad dudes and quote. He might bring to Guantanamo Bay but while commentators reflexively looked to the edge cases of presidential power in anticipating trump's abuses the authorities. He has actually abused. Have not lane at the edges over the first two years of his presidency. The fights over the major issues of presidential power that have divided Americans since September eleventh. Two thousand one largely disappeared from view for all the fretting during the campaign about trump's comments on torture interrogation policy didn't change neither did detention policy. The authorities of the intelligence agencies to collect and process information did not materially increase under the new administration and ironically the person most vocal in complaining about alleged intelligence abuses was trump himself. Who serially claimed illegality on the part of the intelligence community from his predecessors having allegedly had trump's quote wires taft and quote to his gripes about the unmasking of anonymous names in intelligence reports to his sudden opposition to a key intelligence authorities sought by his own administration the very morning Congress finally managed to pass it. Trump's abuses as we shall describe have almost uniformly occurred in areas where the president's power is not contested areas at the very heart of what the constitution calls quote the executive power and quote few serious constitutional scholars after all doubt the president's parlor quote to appoint officers of the United States and quote and thus to remove them nor is there any serious debate over the president's power to direct his administration to take actions that are based on bad information and no coherent process. No language in the constitution requires trump to follow a process of any kind before setting the executive branch on some course of action or another. The president also has the authority to Pardon People. Guilty people people who support him politically people convicted in an investigation in which he has personal interests. He has the power. To Strip former officials of security clearances even the president's power to spill highly classified information to foreign adversaries is pretty clearly established if he wants to receive ambassadors in the Oval Office and divulge secrets to them. They're well they are his secrets to tell. And of course the president's authority to speak his mind including on twitter is likewise beyond any serious question many of the abuses of authority which trump has engaged have taken the form of tweets from maligning people in fashion. That would certainly give rise to defamation. Suits were trump not president to announcing new military policies on transgender servicemembers without first establishing an official change in procedure but the president has the right to say what he wants. It turns out that one doesn't need to push the limits of executive power to become an abusive president. One need only personalize and abuse the powers. The presidency indisputably holds. The trump presidency is rethinking the institution not at its edges but at its core. Transforming it from the inside out it were. Trump's broad attack on the traditional presidency raises an uncomfortable question. Is He right that the presidency needs transforming and his out of date? How much if at all should people really care about traditions? That are not as older as authoritative as we thought they were and what happens if the American political system fails to enforce the norms of the traditional presidency. Over time what if those norms are elitist claptrap rather than essential guardrails? Perhaps trump's throwback presidency should be understood as a refreshing reversion to first principles not as dangerous assault on the protective structures have built around the presidency's core put another way. Is there any merit to trump's proposed revisions to the office and if so what parts of the proposal have value? These are questions on which we will feign neutrality. The traditional presidency in our view requires a defense for all its limitations and flaws. It is a successful institution that has over a long period of time. Well-served Americans of many different political views as this book goes to press. Congress is considering president trump's impeachment and possible removal from office and less than a year from the time this book is published. Americans will vote on whether to re elect. Donald Trump is president that decision. We hope to persuade the reader includes the question of whether to ratify an accept. The changes trump proposes to the presidency itself or whether instead to repudiate and Discard. The Vision has put forward. The examination of that vision necessarily begins with a close look at trump's inauguration and the oath of office he swore that day the law. Fair podcast is produced in cooperation with the Brookings Institution special thanks Macmillan audio. 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