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Reconquest Episode 225: Happy Easter! with Joe Sobran

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09:37 min | 1 year ago

Reconquest Episode 225: Happy Easter! with Joe Sobran

"Dealings would have playfully and deftly with the regular feature that are mass. Media gives us especially the print media Every year around Easter tide. Which is denial of the resurrection. A personal attack on on our Lord. Jesus Christ or something like that. So he he penned this for his His Easter addition Or his Easter column. I forget what year this was published in two thousand and seven and it was published originally in so brands which which was what he was writing for later in life his own newsletter when he got dropped from the national review in fact one and I right now sort of shifted talk a bit about his his biography. What got me. We attentive to. Joe Sovereign was the interview that I did with John. Beaumont the mid on his book the Mississippi flows into the Tiber which had a rather lengthy entry on Joe Sobre in as one of the four hundred sixty nine or so converts written up in that book so just to to Skim some of the biographical information about him. His name was Joseph Michel Silvern Junior. He was journalist and writer. Who was born February? Twenty Third Nineteen forty-six and if Selassie mich- in Michigan County. Let's see wha- Shanta County Michigan. He was born in forty six. He was converted in sixty one. That's an odd. That's a rare thing. He was converted when he was fifteen years old. That's when he was received into the church. You started taking Catholicism seriously when he was fourteen He died on thirtieth of September. That's the feast of Saint Jerome in the year. Two Thousand Ten in Fairfax Virginia. He was raised by a lapsed Catholic parents who divorced when he was seven or eight his parents gave him no instruction never took him to the sacraments and never sent into a Catholic school. He started to read about the faith when he was fourteen years. Old He decided that he wanted to become a Catholic. His public high school teacher attempted to talk him out of it. But he persisted and made his first communion as a teenager. He graduated from Eastern Michigan University in English and after graduation did Shakespearean studies he lectured on a fellowship at the university in Shakespeare and an English. He worked at National Review. Now that was a pretty big twenty one years National Review. Eight from seventy two to ninety three eighteen years as a senior editor. He practiced the faith irregularly during the late seventies and early eighties but he returned to the church during the papacy of Pope. John Paul the second. He was removed from national review during a controversy in nineteen ninety-three over articles. Alleged by the editor William F Buckley who kind of neo con Well I don't WANNA say anything bad about the deceased. But he had his issues William F. Buckley Canada with on the spurious accusation that Sobrinho was an anti Semite. Which of course he was not but he said certain things that were politically incorrect. And Yes William. Buckley was certainly politically correct on certain subjects so having introduced him sort of with some biographical information. I'm GonNa Continue This episode number two twenty-five Happy Easter with Joe Sovereign With a column that he entitled the Optional. Jesus now here. He's attacking the reinvention of our Lord under the pompous title of distinguishing. The Christ of faith from the Jesus. History this is kind of a fad that came in and the sixties and seventies He points out. Of course that the so-called historical Jesus that these unbelievers and up with is about as a historical as somebody like Pinocchio or the state puffed marshmallow man in other words there on this this sort of our theory and quest to find the real Jesus the historical Jesus as opposed to Christ of Faith. Who's made up by religious people and their quest always leads them into something very much like what you think they would have made up. They made up. Jesus So this is originally published in nineteen ninety eight a when he was still syndicated. Still re Recess syndicated by Universal Syndicate. It was after he was can from National Review Interesting So this is Data to two thousand seven in edition that was published under in Sobre. Nhs He says this you might think it would be hard to claim. Jesus Christ. For the sexual revolution he did refuse to condemn a woman caught an adultery but with the Stern Proviso that she go and sin no more. He said that if you look at a woman with lust you've already committed adultery in your heart. He tightened up the Mosaic Law. That permitted divorce all of which offers little encouragement for swingers. Nevertheless the gay militant writer Terrence McNally has written a play depicting Christ as a sodomite though protests have forced its cancellation in a similar spirit Robert Funk founder of the Jesus Seminar wants to reject as inauthentic any sang at odds with his own up-to-date creed which espouses among other things quote responsible protected recreational sex between consenting adults and quote. Let me just say as an aside whether Andre. Here's an aside that The Jesus seminar was this notorious Nasty Assume intellectual gathering of a bunch of pompous leftist intellectuals who would go through the gospels and believe it or not using red balls and black balls decide. I think it was. Maybe it's black and white balls. Decide which utterances attributed to Christ in the Gospel wore authentic and which were not it was Sort of the red letter Jefferson Bible on steroids. And all of these guys made other imbeciles of themselves. I don't think it's around anymore. But it was all the rage during the ninety s when he wrote this. You're listening to Weei Congress in the crusade premium channel part of your network continuing with Joe Sober in here after two thousand years. The most unlikely people still want to claim Jesus for their side even when they aren't Christians and often it seems when they hate Christianity the usually say that the churches have twisted the simple original message of love superimposing layers of Dogma theology and repressive morality. Jesus was great but ever since Saint. Paul it's been downhill. What with Saint Augustine cotton mather and all those popes for the last two centuries a curious breed of Demi Christian has tried to. Disengage the historical Jesus from all that. Dogma and stuff what did Jesus really say and do the trouble? Is that nearly everything we know about? Jesus stems from the four gospels all of which were written by believers in the resurrection the central Dogma in a sense all classic Christian theology is the working out of the implications of the resurrection considered as the fact that the Christians insisted even under torture. It was Cindy. Guston himself said bluntly that without the Resurrection. Christianity was pointless. That hasn't stopped the hunt for the historical Jesus the presumably real figure behind the gospels. Since the only documents we have a test a life of miraculous deeds supernatural orientation and Eh scatological purpose. The belief that a strip down natural life of Jesus can be. Reconstructed is totally at odds with the records in her new book. The Human Christ the search for the historical Jesus Charlotte Allen tells. The story of the Long Campaign in which scholarship has blended with wishful thinking to find or fashion a series of historical Jesus. Who have turned out to be strikingly a historical in nineteen thousand nine George Tyrrell a modernist Catholic theologian observed that the historical Jesus of German scholars was actually quote the reflection of a liberal Protestant face seen at the bottom of a deep well and quote as an aside here Terrell was a modernist heretic. But he here shows that he at least had something of a sense of humor. I do hope you saved his soul. Eventually in other words says Alan quote the liberal researchers had found a liberal. Jesus the same can be said of the Jesus searches of every error. The DA's found the the romantics found the romantic the existential list's existential list and the liberationists. Ah Jesus of class struggle supposedly equipped with the latest critical and historical tools. The scientific quest for the historical Jesus has nearly always devolved into theology ideology and even autobiography end quote from Alan.

National Review Jesus John Paul Joe Sovereign William F Buckley writer wha- Shanta County Michigan Joe Sobre Alan Eastern Michigan University William F. Buckley Canada Joseph Michel Silvern Junior George Tyrrell Selassie mich Catholic school Saint Augustine Shakespeare senior editor
May 19th: Mike and Deb Morris HR 1

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40:25 min | 5 months ago

May 19th: Mike and Deb Morris HR 1

"Southern colorado never stops neither do we. This is no co now presented by shanin agency. Here's tanner swint good morning northern colorado. You are listening to no co- now thirteen ten k. k. A mike morris from articles specialists that martha thought clinton special. We get the pleasure and privilege of filling. In for for tanner. Today he is well. I think he's just off galveston around doing nothing playing hooky. I i think he's playing the cova card even though he may not have it but as an employer i think you have to give the time off so management here at cave k may want to look into that your eighty hours a year. You get that time off right and so no. It's always fun to come in. And i wouldn't say change the world but it's kind of fun because you know i've been I've been working at auto collision for an in that industry. My god my whole life. And i'm not a young man anymore and and i still enjoy it. But it's fun that depends on age chronologically on the calendar. Or how you act. Well good point good. Point is that is not young and the other one is childish so maybe somewhere in the middle no no i prefer childlike. Doesn't well i temper tantrum. it's tallied hi I'm trying to think about how. I'm going to defend myself here. I'm thinking about throwing myself on the ground and kicking my feet up and screaming a lot but No it's it's fun to come in here and and fill in its You have a lot of fun you know they say not to ramble around but they say that most people change their careers and this statistic is is probably changed three times in their lifetime and i think that today that's probably more i think that And when i say career. I mean career like i've worked on cars collision For my whole life you've been i mean. Think how many. Or what have i done william county. Now that's true but a little stint here on the radio. I would guess that would be a career. I'm starting to retreat company. That won't be much accounting so that's a career different career so i'll be in three. I've had i've had a lot of. I had a number of jobs before. I started at the body shop true. They weren't really careers. I mean i did. Tax auditing with the irs. I did ceo work but that was really accounting. You know it's funny. Because i think of now i just keep you in line. So that's like really a career daily. Actually i think when you say keep me in line which you actually mean is punishment for bad behavior. Isn't that more accurate and so what. You're what you're alluding to now see off air. I throughout the on my way into work this morning. I thought gosh. Mike and i should do a relationship a call in relationship show. So you've been thinking about it. Don't do it you've been thinking about it and you're like well i've only ever had one career really one career in my whole life. And maybe debbie's right. Maybe we should do a relationship. Show cave k. They call them putting words in my mouth. And that's not what i'm saying. That is absolutely not even what i'm thinking. That's not even at the any any top of mind awareness for me. I would be the same. Every call him. I would say to the woman you're right and you would say to the man the woman's right. I mean that would be. I'm sure that's the way that would go. That would be the gist of eventually. We'd get to it. We probably have like a five minute conversation. In the end that would be the end of the call. Somehow you know. I remember how i said that i was excited to be sitting in today. For tanner and i was happy. That wind just came out of the sales. I'm just back to being. You know whatever you wanna do deb. That's not how i n bradshaw brady setting there in somewhere listening going. Oh please please help us. Please help us that. They don't actually want to do about it and that we don't they don't wanna tank show you know with that said When you when you talk about relationships and whether it be husband wife her boss employer or just friend to friend right it's It's it's interesting that you know. In all fairness you have less than fifty percent chance statistically of a marriage lasting any length of time beurre less than fifty percent chance and and that kind of speaks volumes. Doesn't it yeah. I think why would you. I mean if your odds you wouldn't make that bet probably in vegas on the craps table if you if those were your odds. But yet you're gonna sign your. I believe in marriage right. I believe in that kidnaps let that would be new. That would be the end of this show. We wouldn't get through. I believe in it. And i think that You know there's been times quite frankly not to air air our laundry. But there's been times that i wanted to drag you buying the truck and i'm sure there's times you when i was standing at the edge of the deck wanted to push me off but you know we. We don't vigil is it would take too long behind the truck. I just i just you know. Well what i think is going to happen here for the next hour and forty five minutes is we're gonna work through a lot of a lot of information we're going to jump around. There's a lot going on in the world when you an and that to me Seems to be a bit of a new phenomenon. don't you. I mean because there is so much happening today that is you know a lot of times you know i. I look back even four years ago. That i had genuine. There weren't a lot of things happening that at least for me that made me go Man i'm worried about this and today yeah. Do you think that's because of that. We all have this heightened awareness Or or do you think things this impending doom peanuts new. You know what. I think i think it really is. It's new and i do think it came with covid and you could look up and you can just google cove mental illness and he couldn't get article after article after article of it and and i think that there's some some things that are last time we were on. We talked about say gas prices. Where before when gas prices went up there was the sense of at least in weld county of okay. I'm good with that because our business is going to do better because there's oil and gas trucks on the road and there's been a lot of mileage gin and there's people that are buying houses and have have gas money and you know people that own own land you could. You could justify gases up and you go. I don't see any benefit in that. And you know i was just working with them Client day. Who is working on getting the some you know the money's the government loans etc and in january of last year they combined businesses will. They didn't they didn't know march was going to happen. So now that decision that that tax decision that business decision is wreaking havoc in their ability to stay in business. Stay in business and nobody would have guessed in january of last year. Hey wait a minute. Don't combine your businesses because you're going to need proof of being in business for years to get these loans. So i think there's just a lot of things you know. Were we have people that are that are renting renting apartments are daughters renting an apartment. And i'm like there's no reasonable way that that should that that should be that amount of money you know it. Fourteen hundred dollars doesn't get you mentioned the way of an apartment. No it's it's it's it's not a end and they have renewed their lease their apartment today for someone just moving into it would be sixteen hundred and fifty dollars so in the three years. They've been there that that very you know decent size two bedroom two bath apartment is went from fourteen hundred to sixteen fifty. They're letting them stay at fourteen hundred. That's they just renewed to lease and they've paid their. You're saying the same apartment. Today is sixteen hundred and fifty bucks if they if they went out and went to a different apartment building in the same. You know or said we want the that same apartment in another complex. They what they were finding sixteen fifty. You know that when you know. It's funny because i i've heard you say that. But for whatever reason That really struck a chord with me. because one of the things we're gonna talk about is homelessness and you know it's something that i tell you. Quite frankly is It it breaks my heart. It angers me i have this myriad of emotions about homelessness And then what aurora is doing. I think we're going to I think we're going to run out. Pay some bills here and then when we come back we're going to talk about homelessness again. You are listening to noko now on thirteen ten k. Will be back in a flash northern colorado's voice us thirteen ten kfi k. Tanner will be back. After the break party northern colorado's force thirteen ten. Kfi the block party wednesdays from four ten pm good morning northern colorado. You are listening. Didn't go now on thirteen ten k. I'm mike morris from automation specialist de morris thought of specialists and k today and kathleen week at to pretend to be broadcast really liked filling in for this is fine to eleven. We we have a little time to prep in the morning. I get my submissive face on. So i can say yes dear. Yes dear and i can't do that first thing in the morning. that relationship called. I need a lot more practice but You know before the break we were. Were starting to go down that road of homelessness right and Denver has the road home. That big looper push back several years ago that god. They spent millions and millions of dollars. And if you remember they were gonna end homelessness and guess what they got More of it. Yeah it's been Yes you know. We were talking on the way down. Because it's it's it's this vicious circle and we're not statisticians on homelessness and there are people out there that specialty is the problems and looking at it kim so everything that we share today as personal perception and just personal thoughts and and i. I'm glad that. I don't have to be responsible for solving the problem because what appears to be happens is there's a fix. The fact is different for everybody right. I don't think one fix you know the road home. Didn't fix it and you know money does not fix it. And that's what. I just drives me. Crazy is the amount of money and you don't why when i said and i said this before break and i mean this when i drive by these homeless I guess encampments I tell you it breaks my heart. I look at that. And i go. Oh my god how is this possible. That another human is living in a ditch next to highway thirty four. And i'm telling you man. I don't know some people begin with it. Started with a i mean it was a row over over. It happened fast. Maybe a week to where it started where something had dragged mattress over and they were using some kind of plastic evidently to cover themselves at night. And then there's a tent and then there's three tenths and then there's five and i think there was eventually like six tenths and and all of the to the to the point where they actually had taken a no trespassing sign private property. No trespassing sign from somewhere and had it okay. Let's the proper. And i i'm like okay. What what. What can i do to help. I don't have a solutions personally. And then my thought went to my goodness people are living next to parliaments in ten. I was going to take this one step further. They don't have any restroom facilities and like that's a natural. I mean i not to be funny but you. You're like you know you're talking about. Can i make it through the segment. About how every segment relationship do we have to. He's not he's no. I'm not making light of the situation. And then i'm like okay. That's that's gross right and then policy which it's beyond it's like i don't know i mean i'm guessing that some municipality evans or the state because they were on state highway property or some some group. I don't think that the people that live there went. Gosh we now have we. Now have someone with showers in a in a toilet to go to i. I'm guessing that some group came. You know some municipality came in and kind of cleaned it up and whoever they're still all the trash there and that's sad but now let's take this one step further where we live right where we live out milliken and down the hill from us on our property right. Would you feel comfortable and answer this question. Honestly i mean this this this has to be. This has to be posed because you know. Would you feel comfortable because we have enough space. The we could we could set up. We could have fifty tents down. They're down the hill from us. Would you do that. No and i wouldn't either. Which i wouldn't feel safe and the and i think that you know it's easy. It's easy to drive by those situations. Or even the people on the street corner with signs right breaks my heart man because no matter what or why or any of that stuff. It's sad it's sad if if that if what it appears is really happening. And they are just struggling. It's sad if they are on drugs and it is sad if there's mental illness it it's even sadder they're just scumbag thieves and those people exist. I mean when you drive by the and we used to call them panhandlers right and well. I mean there's a lot of names for them and they sit on the side of the road you know and everybody laughs about the guy goes You know i'm not. I'm not homeless. I just wanted to drink. You know and people would give him money and that would be funny right. Our corner of our. We have several cannabis stores very close by us. Our shop and we had one guy and goes out. I just get high. Just wanna get high. And and that's okay and i people give them money people stopping for a long time. But here's here's the rub for. Here's the rub for for society right. The the road home to the denver road home right That was supposed to end homelessness but we got was more homelessness. Second and when i was saying the vicious circle is you provide and you figure out a way to solve for the hundred for the idea for the hundred people in greeley colorado. I think it's probably higher than that. You figure out how much you figure out a solution for those hundred people and the majority of them want someplace to stay and they they want to start a life. They wanna be different now. There are truly no. I don't know. I don't know that that's true that that choose that lifestyle. And that's that's own problem. We have When we well but then then you then you come up with this amazing solution. You're going to put them in. You're gonna put him in a A hotel or you build a facility for them and then what happens. It's a network and so that network now knows in other communities that you're providing those things and that and that brings in more people or the other side of it is like aurora mayor. Kaufmann yeah kaufman has been talking about. Making a camping ban will when that happens. Those people in that community now moved to another community so they don't solve the problem they just shuffle them out of their community. And it's just it's just popping up there. Actually he's actually going okay. I'd say much push back. I'm not going to do that. But it's a heated. It's and it's sad because it is a heated debate over that. And i was bring up. You know william f buckley. Junior and firing line of the listeners. May know that from neo day the sixties and even into the seventies were they would have civil discussions about that instead of attacking each other and calling each other stupid. Because you know. I kind of agree with kaufman. What are you going to do if you allow certain behavior. You're going to get more of it. And i don't think it's fair quite frankly to have people in in neighborhoods and communities to have somebody driving in a you know it's sad. I'm not i'm not discounted that sad but is it reasonable in all. Say so much space would you. Would you put a sign up and say free camping on our property. No you wouldn't do it and you know. Does that make you an ass. No i don't think it does. Does that make you heartless and cold. No i don't think it does when i look at. I look at where the where the tents were beside thirty four and that they're twenty twenty feet literally twenty feet from apartment buildings with with kids and situations and families and they're they're going they they have to be going to the bathroom. Yeah and we and we have to assume We have to assume that that a large percentage and i don't know the figures exactly but a large percentage of that has to do drugs whether a be math. You see those people walking around really all the time where they're talking to themselves now. Some of that could be mental illness right but some of it is just a. They did drugs and some things we you don't get to come back from quite frankly and and you know as you. I've had personal experiences with people that you know were on meth. And their lives ended very tragically and it is very very sad but he came back. Let's talk about D use program. That's going to start here in a couple of months where they're actually going to Give people who are without homes. Homeless people Some cash and what. They're hoping to accomplish by that. We'll do that. We're going to run out check on some news You are listening to noko now. Thirteen ten kfi k. We'll be back in a flash here mornings with kale weekdays. Six to nine and northern colorado's voice thirteen ten k good morning northern colorado. You are listening to noko now on thirteen. Ten cave k. a. Mike morris specialists. Aren't that boris without auto cuisine specialists. Oh i should say that with more excitement. Well i don't want to say anything about our relationship advice that we were going to try to do a show on that. But i feel kinda beaten down time off of air right now bill and melinda on the air. You know going out there. They're waiting could air so we can solve their problems and who's to no no they have. They have enough money. They should be able to buy their problems away and get some get some new pride. Sounds like that's what he's been doing. It sounds like that is true. But in this last segment we're going to. We're going to continue talking about homelessness. Because i i gotta tell you it is increasing and i. I don't think that e- when people come out and they say i've got the answer. I've got the answer for who for which person because is is. Are you homeless. Because you're mentally not there. I mean you're you're you're you're disabled in that area that you just can't process. Are you homeless. Because you're druggy and you've got hooked into mathur heroin or or whatever or we'd for that or alcohol You homeless because you've just lazy There is there all those factions. It is not a one. Homeless shoe fits all are. I think there are also people who are using that money are using the money in in replacement of working and maybe they make more than like standing on the street corner not see. The thing is though not all not all people. I hate this because it it. Softens the harsh reality when we say. These people are experiencing homelessness. I i think that i don't think that is. I don't think that helps anybody by softening it. No you're homeless. You're living in a box. You're living in a tent. You're you're sleeping in the streets. You're not you do not minimize and make that seem softer because it is a horrible horrible place to be and call it what it is. I am so tired of people trying to to soften the blow so everybody has self esteem. No no you're you're homeless. This is not good. And i don't think it serves anybody to to come back and and you know sometimes you know there are things in my life. I and. I don't know that you can say this that that i am horribly ashamed of i am horribly ashamed of and then she rolls her eyes. Of course you do. But i i have things that that i'm serious you roy city although i rolling. We're gonna talk about this display ticker let's move on with. Let me talk about the. What d- d you is gonna do so denver university university of big donor. They got a big donor. So this is actually Community funded which which. I think helped solve the problem. Much bigger than government funded. So what they are doing is this and this is out of rocky mountain news not rocky mountain news denver. Post same difference. I so what they're going to do is in september. They're going to have two hundred and sixty people that will receive a direct payment of every month of thousand dollars another homeless and they are homeless. Another two hundred sixty will receive twenty six thousand five hundred dollars up front and then five hundred dollars a month and a final. The final control group of three hundred participants will receive fifty dollars every month. So let's talk about the first two right. What we know is an in greeley. Say our average rental house. If you had one person and you were going to be in an efficiency apartment you would probably have a thousand dollars. A month minimum some government-subsidized. I think there's very little. I think the government subsidized housing. This fall. I don't think you're gonna find that so now you're in so now you're at first and last month's rent so you're two thousand so the sixty five hundred is reasonable. You could actually pay for housing with the sixty five hundred dollars on. What are you gonna do after that. And then the thousand dollars a month those. Those people aren't gonna probably not gonna get in housing in denver. No and here's here's the here's the problem i have with this And again you know commonsense. I i'm i'm not gonna claim to be an expert on this stuff but you know some of the stuff saying if it walks like dot quacks like a duck it might be a duck the you look at these these folks right to to. How could you not know what's probably going to happen here. How i mean. These people are homeless now. Some of them were because of drugs. Some of them are because of mental illness now. But i'm gonna tell you that the chances that these people are homeless because they are great money. Managers is probably not high on the list. You're going to hand sixty five hundred bucks. There's a with no with no caveat. I say here you go. I would hope there some part of the program. And i don't know i don't. I don't know what we don't know based on articles in based on the information is we don't know if there's some level a pre-qualification to get in this program of of how you've lived or choices that you've made or whatever we don't know if that's just random walking down the street and saying are you are you homeless and remember homelessness include the unseen. How would you like to be the unseen people. Let me so. There's also the unseen homeless rate. The unseen homeless a subcategory of homeless. Well there there are people that are living in with the family. With another family tech talkers. There they're included in in a homeless. Look what not to ramble around on this. But you know. They're looking at changing the residency. You know in in town. And i i gotta be honest with you. I get it to where family members. Are you know some cultures. The the family stays together in the grandparents. Live up above and so the changes in residency and ability to have more. Those are non related non-related a community or in subdivision. Where where it's one family in in home of unrelated people and now they're saying okay. Well what if we make that two or three related people in a in the actually. But what i'm saying is that happens Think about that. You know everybody's screaming for fifteen dollars an hour right everybody's screaming for that and quite frankly at eighteen dollars an hour you have to be a pretty darn good manager of money and of resources of how you run your life to have an apartment by yourself so the residency requirements. i mean. when i was young we lived when i moved to fort collins right away when i was what i was. Twenty two years old. There was four of us in a house. Yeah there's four of us and we were not related and we all paid our fair share because there was no there was no place back in nineteen eighty five that i could have lived by myself so in some ways that those things haven't changed it is we have. We have a friend that makes a little over twenty dollars an hour and my been working with her on some financial stuff and an apartment to one bedroom. One bath apartment medical insurance so she qualifies for medicaid and has to submit has to supplemental and just driving back and forth to work and a car payment. There is like there much leftovers not after you pay taxes there is not much leftover. So so you know you think. The conversation needs to change and Because everybody says that fifteen dollars an hour is a living wage. I don't believe that it is and it's like to what who's level of living well and i think a unemployment and that's a whole subject. I can totally get on a box. And it is around it is. It's i don't think it's fundamental. I don't think it's a fundamental issue for the homeless and we're going to finish out the segment on homeless. I don't think a minimum wage conversation actually has much conversation to do with the homeland. Though but i agree completely with you Back to the du study that they're gonna do again. They're going to hand out sixty five hundred dollars to. How'd you like to be and then five hundred would how would you like to be the person you know. Your buddy just got sixty five hundred bucks in a lump sum and then you get fifty menu. You don't think that there's going to be some talk about class warfare amongst the homeless because you got sixty five hundred only got fifty and then you got thousand and they're gonna if you don't think that the person that got that got the sixty five hundred bucks isn't going to get rolled. You don't think that you are a fool and at some point in time. It cracks me up that people much more educated than i no question about that. Look at this and say this will end. Well they're probably not banking they probably don't have the probably don't have id. Who knows but you're going to hand him sixty five hundred bucks and leave him out in a tent. That won't end well. There's a better salute. Gosh darn it got to feel good about. We got to fix this. We are going to run out. We're going to know we didn't fix it. And i don't know that we can. It's we're going to run out. We're going to pay some bills. You are listening to noko now on thirteen ten. Kfi we'll be back in a flash the whole sports story in northern colorado state in the country tune into the whole show weekdays noon to two and thirteen ten. Kfi k good morning northern colorado. You are listening to no co- now and thirteen ten k. k. A mike morris from articles specials without quizzing specialists. Of course you are and you know we got along a little better on the break I don't think we weren't arguing you weren't you weren't calling me names and i think i think there's a chance that we can say no i calling you names the one thing and we're gonna finish out this hour on the homelessness because i i gotta tell ya when i drive around greeley it it alarms made it it It absolutely alarms me the the number back in my day we them panhandlers and And now You know gosh we've we've we've We've softened everything. Up bright the people that are experiencing homelessness a lot of people back in the day. We we called them bums right and and alcoholics and all those things but the homeless issue at some point in time is we can't use such a broad brush to paint it because you can't within that group of like like i said think of the divisiveness just the that they're going to create with the st you study of the haves and the have nots in the homeless community. Because you're going to have some people rolling around living large sixty five hundred bucks. I hadn't even thought about that. Actually i would have done hadn't thought about what that looks like and toma my god and do you think that the person that gets that and they're homeless mind you now. And here's i'm starting to paint that with the With a broad brush is well because is it possible that handing sixty five hundred dollars to one of those homeless people or maybe two they get that and they go. Oh god this is what i needed. And they take that money and they get a place or they buy closer they you know. Get an apartment and my question. How many of them are going to go. Buy drugs now. My question and i don't have the answer was is there some level of prequalification to get that money. So it's an experiment to experiment with the kovic. The covid situation increased unemployment. Right get increased unemployment so so now do you have more people out. There who won. Some homeless people actually have jobs like and they just missed a payment or miss or medical situation or whatever and couldn't sustain a lifestyle couldn't sustain their lifestyle and so maybe they've figured out how to get to work and whatever so so those people you know do. is their qualification. For the sixty five hundred dollars or is it truly random you know people put in an application people. They just walked down the street and say we need two hundred and sixty people in here. And you're one of those two hundred you know you know. Stand in a line and count off one two three one two three and one get sixty five hundred dollars. One gets a thousand a month. One gets fifty. I mean how. How is that cited. And and i think there may be working on this not in the arctic. No but the obvious again. It's a study to see how those people whether they succeed or fail and a thousand dollars. A month is not a lot of money to to to those people and it's not enough. It's not enough to get them in an apartment with. Here's here's an managed to keep it for three or four months. Here's what's interesting about that. And and quite frankly. I gotta tell you this study. The the deal is going to do i. I gotta be honest with you. My belief. 'cause is that you know these the people that are involved in that. I think there's going to be more harm done here than good because these people the chances again like i said the chances of these people that are homeless because our great money managers is not very good so that the so the planning commission voted for this is of the tribune for the greeley household occupancy standards to increase in mid level too high high areas high density areas Do you think that will help the homelessness. If now instead of having three people in an apartment you can have four. Maybe i mean and and again. Here's the thing we talked about that of the all these people involved in the de- you study right if it helps now this. This drives me crazy. Because i don't agree with this but if one person gets their life together because of that study is that should believe is but then there's thirty others that oh deed because a were able to go buy everything they wanted and but that one person succeeded. Who's to say who's to say that that. What is success we had. We had an employee that And obviously we won't name names That swept up for us. When we we got him through one of the organizations here ingredient which. I really strongly frontier house. I really i really believe. I like what those folks do and they were really trying to help him but i said i will not have and he was homeless. I said i will not have homeless person living working for me. I won't do it. And i had given him. I think the first time was eight hundred dollars to where he could go. Get an apartment and i said how much do you need. And how much do you need to get an apartment. frontier house. Had we had worked with them and they said this we can. Here's a place. What he needs is eight hundred dollars to get into it and get set up and guess what happened. He didn't give you didn't get setup. he ended. whatever. I don't know what he did but he did that. And then i came back and said buddy this is i. I can't you this but my point about that is. He didn't care he was he was perfectly. I mean he didn't go mike. You know this is horrible. And i hate being homeless no he. He actually helped frontier house buying family. That option also saw you know. I guess i the the thing that can come out. Well no but what. I think my input. That i would that i would throw out there. Is that stop using the same brush and stop saying homelessness as a collective because just because you're homeless there's multitudes of reasons why and the solution it's not there's not one thing fix everything and i think it goes back way before before we get to that place on people's decisions and and everything else i promise when we come back we're gonna talk about. I think maybe a little happier stuff is It is court. May maybe maybe getting rid of their rid of the read law striking that down the red flag law. I had no No time for but we're going to run out. Pay some bills check on some news. You are listening to no co- now on thirteen ten. Kfi came we'll be back in a flash.

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America First with Sebastian Gorka 6-28-21 Hour 3

America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast

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America First with Sebastian Gorka 6-28-21 Hour 3

"Is podcast is a production of the salem podcast network for more podcast like this. From courageous of conservative reason visit salem. Podcast network dot com. If you like america first then check out our separate podcasts. The battle sixteen hundred with my former white house. Colleague boris epstein. Every week we give you the inside. In-depth analysis of what's really going on the battle for sixteen hundred subscribe today. This is america first. dan. Here's your host dr sebastian gorka. You know. I'm going to have to look into the regulations. Because i clay for an hour now that other guy. What's his name knowles. Something and i don't get to have a cigar in studio these on my cigar bodies. We'll have to look into that. Shot checkout the rigs. that's welcome. He's got a brand new book from my publisher rectory so excited to invite onto america first the daily wise my nose. Welcome mike great to be with you as always. I wish we were together. Being able to chomp down on his stogie during this one. But i suppose next time in person will work. That will make it happen. You gotta come to the swamp to talk to that guy. Cruise tom. No ted cruz. So when you're next in the swap will work on. That will make that. Does he smoke cigars. He of course as a good cuban-american mary much a purveyor right. So you may cleveland. We'll have some fun or the the the reason for having you on my show today is you've written a book this time with words in it. So congratulations this time. I'm not joking. You don't know his mega mega bestseller. It was reasons to vote for democrats or something like that and it was two hundred sixty pages of blank pages. It was genius. I mean genius and he actually got paid to do. I've sweated bullets writing three books. He wrote a book with no words in it made a lot of money. But hey that's america. It's the american dream this book. A scott speechless controlling words controlling minds. It's out order it right now. It is iconic kostic. Its approach because from you can get on it taken off the screen. I wanna see my thank you. It's different in its approach. Because unless you don't agree with what your your press people have sent me. The first lot of the fast line is the culture. War is over and the culture is lost. Let's begin with that. Rosy optimistic view of america is it. That bad mike knows you know. A friend of mine has described the conservative pessimist as someone who says things can't get any worse and conservative optimist is someone who says oh yes they can and i think that's very much the position that we are taking here if this really br. I think there is one little glimmer of hope which we can get to. But it's a terrible situation where the correctness. Now we call it. Whoa kness or cancel culture. But it's the same old scourge has been upon us for. I think about one hundred years. We've been aware of it for about thirty to forty years. We've been fighting vigorously against it and bizarrely. The harder we fight the more political correctness seems to advance at trump in two thousand sixteen said. Pc was destroying our country. Identified it as the greatest threat to the country. I think he's right. But i think we've basically fallen for a trap. I think lays a trap for conservatives whereby either of the two major ways in which we react ultimately advanced the left's purpose you got the squashes who acquiesced to the new standards so obviously they advance it and you've got the more stalwart conservatives who say that they are i don't know free speech absolutists or something they. They opposed by throwing away standards altogether and either way. The traditional standards of our culture are abandoned nature of horsa vacuum woke kness moves in. And we lose right. This is why this book is exciting because it says something that needs to be said that nobody else. Apparently even in the warrior class on the right is prepared to say that you know the answer to political correctness is more speech wrong. It's not free speech absolutism. Because that's exactly like a jujitsu judoka that attitude against to strengthen political correctness. So just let let me. Just if you'll indulge me their friends let's talk about what the book says he describes. Michael describes the pc trap thusly it is ironic that the no. Let's start here. Irony lies at the heart of political correctness. To call something quote politically correct is to acknowledged that it is not correct at least by the standards off reality. a man address is the man but according to political correctness. He's a trans woman. A term with the same ironic structure to call someone. A trans woman is to acknowledge that he is not a woman. Conservatives have failed to thwart political correctness because most do not understand what it is now. Hopefully i have passed my addition to do the audio book for michael knows next time. Call me but seriously this this. This is the heart of the matter and let me just illustrate it from my perspective. I don't understand how people who conservatives in front of me and on social media talk about his husband. And i go hang on a second your conservative and you used the phrase marriage to describe a man and a man or a woman and a woman is this. Is this the trap that we're falling into michael. You know the left will always tell us who cares about the pronouns. Okay you know and you hear the squish conservatives. Say that to who cares about these little words. That's all a distraction from the really important issues of the next tax cut or something. And i think well the left seems to care about the pronouns. The left there's a lot that's why they're investing so much time and energy and money into them and This this semantic trap. I think is something we need to acknowledge. It's something the left is known for a very long time. Namely all societies have standards all societies. Have taboos some things are going to be off limits. Some things are not from the beginning of our country. There have been whole swat speech that have been off. Limits threat sedition obscenity fighting words of fraud all sorts of things. Now we have a broad wonderful free speech tradition here but what the left has done is weaponized. That free speech tradition against free speech itself. They did this at berkeley in the nineteen sixties. They launched the free speech movement and it was aimed at destroying traditional standards. Now as you now. Berkeley is is one of the most Hottest places in the country for censorship because once they destroyed the traditional standards they then reimposed. This new woke standard in. Its place so i think that serves need to learn very important word which is no just as you said when we're not we have to refer to a man is she or we need all these kinds of crazy things. We need to say no limit. Languages naturally bounded. It has some relation to reality and we are not going to permit the left by redefining the words to attempt to redefine reality. We are going to stand up and say there actually such a thing as truth and we're going to embrace enforce those standards so have you come to some determination we're talking to michael knows of daily y. Follow him at michael j. knows listen to his. Podcast of the book is speechless. Have you come to have you come to some determination that there is a reason why we fell into this trap. I mean you're a man of faith. You're catholic is i am. Is it a lack of knowledge of first principles and first thing was that people who say they're conservatives don't actually argue for objective truth and say hang on a second. We're not free speech app to absolutist which truth absolutists. Have you found the crux of why we fell into the trap. Absolutely that is the case. We have an crux. I think is actually important word here because we do need to get down to these religious principles and we do need to recognize that there is an objective truth and if there isn't by the way then all of our speech is completely meaningless. Academics that i detail actually in speechless in the nineteen sixties and seventies tried to convince us that there is no such thing as truth. But if there's not then the whole process of self government is basically impossible it will will descend from a political society into warring tribes who clubby javer Over the head. which is i think. A pretty accurate description of politics in twenty twenty one. So there's that issue we've lost a first principles and why we believe what we purportedly believe but the other aspect is. We don't have courage. we've forgotten. I think that courage is not just a virtue but actually the prerequisite for all of the other virtues. The other virtues don't mean anything if you don't have the courage to actually stand by them and so even among people who claim to be conservative now you will have. Sometimes people say look. We can't oppose drag queen story our because you know if we tell perverts that they can't work for toddlers at the local library. why by. Golly they'll tell us we can't go to church on sunday. And i think first of all they're already telling us we can't go to church on sunday and they did that for about a year during rona virus but also if we really don't have the moral conscience and the faculties of reason to see the difference between those two things then we're giving up self-government john adams famously said that the constitution has built for a moral and religious people. He wasn't being a scold. He wasn't being superstitious was observing an undeniable fact of politics especially of republics. Which is if we can't think about things and talk about them to one another in a way that somewhat objective then we can't rule ourselves. The book is speechless. controlling words. consoling mines the author is michael knows of the daily wire. Follow him right now. Michael j. knows the fascinating things in his book that you can learn what the real origins of political correctness is the connection not only to communism but now is what is going to take to win. Sebastian gorka. This is america first on the salem radio network. Stay on this channel. How did hugh whether paid well. We had a lot of home improvements. Why because we were stuck at home. Have you upgraded. Maybe it's time today to turn your yod into a paradise. How with fast growing trees dot com skip the big box stores and head to fast growing trees dot com the world's largest on line nursery number waiting in lines. 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That's eight hundred eight to nine eight four six eight mypillow dot com promo code gio. I hate it when people who have writing an important book have such you know. Pathetic endorsements on the back of the book. I mean people like oh. I don't know dan. Bongino candace owens mike pompeo. Can you just try harder next. I might knows please. The book is speechless controlling words controlling minds. I want to continue exactly where we left off with with our response to this is truly a well. William when when you're saying person with a pinos is a woman living in lala just bizarro world response to those consulted but we. We can't respond by saying that's wrong or thing. No because then we become the arbiters of cancel culture. What's response michael. You hear this so often. They'll say well if we cancel communists you know like we did in the nineteen fifties. Why then we'll be just like the people who cancel anti-communist and i say well. Okay you're right about the formal aspect here. You're right about what it what. It kind of looks like procedurally. But actually there's a substantive difference and conservatives used to understand that substance matters to politics as well but unfortunately for the past several decades we really have not offered much of a substantive vision of politics. We spend free speech in the abstract much of the time. But we we never seem to get down to the nitty gritty. And the fact is that free speech in the abstract doesn't mean anything for people who have nothing to say so we need to figure out actually what we believe and what standards we will embrace because otherwise we totally see the field to the left with a slight trepidation that this is going to get told tala just very very quickly but when you say there's no substance has been for decades for conservative politics. I am reminding by what we said at the beginning of the show. It's as if we've forgotten the first principles of conservativism so it seems as there's a circularity to our weakness that four has has become everything and maybe taking for granted the people should understand the substance. Is that our problem or is it. I think the for a while. I think we've really just fallen for a trick. I suspect and actually. I know because people have already loved this criticism that people are going to call me as a result of this book. Illiberal authoritarian fascist. They say that. When i blow my nose so this is kind of regular occurrence. But but they're going to say that and as i trace in speechless. John locke the founder of liberalism was far less liberal than the sort of things that i'm proposing in this book John milton the author of the most famous defensive free speech in the english language much less liberal than the modest reforms that i'm proposing. Would i am simply proposing is that we need to recognize. That speech has limits. And william f buckley junior who is probably as a mainstream conservative as ever there was in his book god and man at yale which basically founded the postwar conservative movement. Everyone remembers that name. But but very few people remember the subtitle which is the superstitions of academic freedom in that book. Buckley calls academic freedom a hoax a farce. He says it's basically just a trick pushed forward by the left to undermine in buckley's view christianity and free markets. And what what he points out there is that the yield department of sociology would never hire a neo nazi to lecture on the superiority of the aryan race. Nor should it. It would contradict the university's mission. Nobody would like that to be the case. Any classroom is going to keep certain ideas out of the classroom. If you teach. The toothless equals four. You're not going to teach. The two plus two equals five and if a student puts that on a paper you're going to punish him with a bad grade. The same is true of history. The same is true of literature. Even there are certain things that are true and certain things that are false and what the left tricked into believing that. Actually we can't know the truth value of anything. And then what they did once. They had totally hollowed out. Our confidence and self understanding is they just imposed their own radical and perverse vision of the world on us and so i think conservatives need to recognize that they're necessarily going to be limited to speech limits to the classroom. You're seeing this begin to play out with the banning of critical race theory from classrooms. And and you're noticing. Here's my glimmer of hope that the ordinary american the middle of the road or conservative even of all sorts of races. They're showing up to their school boards and they're saying get this poison out of the classroom and all too often supposed. Republican leaders are the conservative leaders are the ones who were going in and defending. Crt is though it has a right to be in the classroom which it does not the book. Speechless controlling words controlling minds by guest. Michael knows order it right now Let let me do the devil's advocate. I hate doing that. But it's the automatic questions. You're going to be honest anyway. Who is the arbiter. Who is in the con- cases. We're witnessing it's great. It's the people pushing back on the school boards running for the school board so representative government is the answer. But what about those who say well. Who's going to say what can or cannot be set in the concert. Michael i think you and i said would be a pretty good start. And then it'd be a good one. But i think that more broadly yes we can have some deference to the people who have a great deal of power there at least supposed to have a great deal of power in a democratic society. Suppose that's been taken away a little bit by progressive technocrats for for the past hundred years a process. I also diagnose and detail in in speechless. But moreover i i'm seeing three schools of thought on how to decide these important moral questions you know. Sometimes we hear that. You can't legislate morality which is preposterous slogan. Because all laws legislate morality. Whether you're talking about the death penalty or you're talking about parking tickets. You're making arguments that refer to the moral order and then are enacting that in the civil law so they're kind of three schools of thought here. There's the really squish version which the conservatives have been pedaling for some time now and. I think it's totally bankrupt namely that we can't say that anything is good and anything is true. And we can't make distinctions between those things you know that would be the drag queen story our versus the church argument. Then i think there's a very very reactionary point of view which says that we can know these things with certainty and we must enforce a sort of very rigid code. That is not totally found in the american tradition. But it makes it may be wonderfully true but it seems very very radical and that's much more hardcore conservative point of view and i would like to propose a third way if i might. It's a moderation at least in the virtuous sense of that word. I suggest we use our prudence. Prudence is a deeply conservative virtue. Edmond burke talks about any great length but now the ideologues on both sides have totally taken. Ver- prudence out of our politics. We're not we. Everything has to be a clear ideology and a five point land on a napkin. But i think the way that we should impose limits or embrace limits to our speech regime is by looking at the american tradition smoking at what we have done. I know we're going to define exactly what prudence looks like ribbon phoning up. 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America must salem radio network broadcasting across the nation hundreds of stations millions of listeners live streaming on facebook on rumble subscribe to ramble dot com slash said gawker president trump's on rumble. Come on guys join in. He's got almost as many subscribers designed but he only studies account yesterday ramble. Dot com slash. Sad gawker we are back with the author of speechless controlling words controlling minds. The host of the michael knowles podcast. Don't know what his name is anyway. Just out michael notes podcasts. Michael you said prudence you said between these two responses to canceled college and political correctness. We've got the the useless rhinos. Squish freedom of speech and anything goes more speech will always be better vice. The the counter revolutionary. No we we will get coat what is right and what is wrong. And you said there's something in the middle called prudence which is an ancient ancient concept explained to all this is what prudence would look like in reality if we had it. Prudence in reality would look back at the american tradition of speech and figure out what sort of things have worked. Well over time it might figure might look to the wisdom of our forebears who gave us this culture. Semur went a little wrong things when little right it's not as ideologically satisfying and i know that will irritate a lot of people. But i think it is a very important guide to action. I think it is perhaps the conservative virtue. And so for instance you you look. There's some people now who say that we have some god given natural right to stream porn on our cell phones at all hours of the day or something like that and you know gosh darn it if we have any limitation on porn. Why then you know. James madison would roll over in his grave. That's what the revolution was. What for and i think. That's obviously untrue. There were huge laws against obscenity for virtually all of our country's history. We still actually have a lot of them on the books today. And as recently as a dozen years ago we threw a pornographer in prison for almost four years. Just for obscenity. He didn't he didn't have child pornography he didn't rape anybody. It was just obscene content and the argument for that. By the way for obscenity laws and certainly for laws against For order or Threats or something like that is that we want to protect our liberty. And i think we've made a huge mistake today on the right. We've taken another trap from the left speechless. Which is we have confused. Liberty and licentious. We believe right now. We believe the modern liberal view that freedom is whatever we will be able to do whatever we want to do whenever we want. When in fact liberty as lord acton puts it very well is actually the right to do what we ought to do so to bring that down to earth with that means is in the modern liberal view that the libs completely convinced the right to adopt the heroine. Addict is the most freeman on earth. He as long as he's got a buck in his pocket and he can especially if he's got liberal heroin drug laws and he can shoot up. Why by golly so free isn't he. No i think we both know that man is a slave that he is a slave to his bassist passions and appetites and actually true freedom is when you tamp down on those base passions and you'll learn to make sense of your of your own. Will i mean this is. This is what liberal education once was which has also been totally hollowed out. True liberty requires limits and conservatives have have really just wanted to have their cake and eat it too and say that anything goes and say you know. We're the party of yes. Yes yes and do whatever you want. Just just let me keep my money and cut my taxes. And that's just not going to sustain a political movement it's not going to sustain a country. It's why the statues are falling down all around us that we wanna go sixty seconds in this segment. How corrosive an influence is libertarianism. Too true conservatism. It's terribly corrosive. And i wanna say in deference to the libertarians. What masquerades as libertarianism. Today is even worse. It's just this sort of tawdry. Shallow licentious nece from people who want to sleep with whomever they want and still bombed the middle east and i just think we need to return to a deeper conservative tradition. That's actually animated the best stuff in our country's history. Oh dear. We're going to be in trouble now. But i do. I do that definition of libertarianism. Getting to sleep with whoever you want and still bumming the middle east whenever you want. That's michael knows. That's what he brings to the table. The book is speechless. Controlling words controlling minds order it. Today i'm sebastian. Gorka this is america first coming to you from the relief factor dot com studios making sense out of today's nonsense. Here's dr sebastian. Gorka a man to you take being a man seriously in terms of your responsibilities outside. Your relationship with our creative really matters of the top of the list of priorities is providing for and securing your loved ones. Will they always be safe. Will you always be able to feed them. Look at what happened recently with the russian hack. Forty-three percent of the gas supply to the eastern seaboard. Stopped what if it's the food supply next time. Are you ready to you know that most doors most groceries have less than four days of food in the back in the storeroom. What happens if that supply chain is attacked after the fifth day. What are you gonna do. You gonna feed your wife. Your loved ones your children your mother. Your father do what i have done. I will not be caught off. 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And you really point the dastardly. Not just lennon not just the soviet but the yannick calmness routes i see the your book is read go a little bit deeper for us. Michael now mr mao. Mr chairman mao is one of the really significant figures. Here because there are a lot of culprits. Going all the way back. Karl marx calls for the ruthless criticism of all exists. You see the later. Communist theorist very important theorist antonio gramsci start to formulate these ideas for cultural hegemony a war of position later called the long march through the institutions. You get critical theory in the frankfurt school now. We talk a lot about critical race theory. Which is the revision of that. I talk about these things in speechless. Then you get the new left in the nineteen sixties and herbert markers of the frankfurt school as the leader of that the father of the new left all of this really explodes in the nineteen sixties into the mainstream because of the translation into english of maoz. Little red book mouse agenda and what it meant for. American leftist radicals was very important to their takeover of the culture ultimately their version of our culture. You know in in the nineteen sixties then this student radical rudy dutch reads and theorist mom she through the lens of now and he says that they need to engage in the long march through the institutions and so that the left has infiltrated every single institution in the country not just the universities but corporate america big tech the administrative government the list goes on and on and on and it has transformed them to their own ideological ends. The one thing though that i. I don't wanna sound like a total doer pessimist. I do think there's this glimmer of hope which is the left controls the institutions but ordinary common. People are coming back. They're pushing up against this stuff on the radical gender. A woman Who just went viral for recording herself. Arguing with a spa manager and saying there's a man changing in the ladies room. I don't want to see that. And i don't want that manda see me. You know pushing back against this. The parents pushing back against the school boards and critical race theory people pushing back against these ideologies throughout the culture. I think that the american people still possess some common sense. But i think that they have been overwhelmed by leftist domination of the institutions and by conservative collapsed by those wishes acquiescing to the new standards and not standing up for anything so i think the american people still have common sense. They just need to be empowered and encouraged to state those plane us state. What is true against what is false state. What is good against what is bad and have their political leaders. Actually stand up and enforce those sort of standards that the people broadly are calling for. I asked your colleague. This question the galactic. Grandma's andrew klavan. And i think it look. I'm convinced of this. And i wonder if you might take. It's beautiful every single day. There's another video from a parent or teacher pushing back on the insanity the bigotry the racism of critical race theory school board meeting. But i think the real the damascene moment for most people who are not political. Don't consider themselves up to this. Point of been political is the radical transgender agenda being forced upon them in their children. That's going to be. That's going to be the seminal moment when the worm turns. Do you concur. I totally agree. And if not the transgender moment is just the kind of flourishing of so many of these ideas that go back much further. You know. I talk about in speechless. How much the second wave feminists of the nineteen seventies contributed to this anti-culture that we have you know they famously said woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. And it's a pretty short leap from the second wave feminist saying that there's no meaningful difference between men and women to say the radical redefinition of marriage which came at the hands of that romantic poet. Anthony kennedy on the supreme court. But he's if a man and a woman or exactly the same then. There's no reason not to redefine marriage and having include two men or two women and if that's true then it's only a short leap to transgenderism which says a man can become a woman and a woman can become a man and ultimately this is just a an attempt to radically redefine reality and do do so by redefining terms. It goes back to. What the ex-communist whittaker chambers referred to as the great alternative faith of mankind that began in the garden of eden when the serpent said ye shall be god's this totally willful attempt to deny reality and reason that that's what you're seeing parents and a lot of ordinary americans pushing back against and we need. We need conservative leaders to finally stand up and get on board with what they have. These ordinary americans have already understood namely there is truth. Truth deserves preferential treatment over falsehood. And we need to be able to call it what it is and stand up for that socialism. Communism utopianism connected ton buttocks green ideal. Ao sates nothing. The nothing you. It begins with that religion that started in the gun of eden when human said we are center of reality. We talking to the author speechless controlling words controlling minds. Follow him right now. Michael j. knows on twitter with the daily wire bashing gorka. This is america first coming to you from the relief factor dot com studio relief factor in daily pain. Have you tried any everything else. Only the failed to find relief. Then you've got to try this incredible product that is providing me liberation from pain along with tens of thousands of other americans like leah from ohio. One sunday morning. 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The Challenges of Policing in Todays Environment

Labor Relations Information System

41:51 min | 1 year ago

The Challenges of Policing in Todays Environment

"Hello folks welcome to first Thursday the monthly podcast from the Labor. Relations Information System. My name is will aitchison and today I'm going to be talking about something very different. I've got some cases to talk about. If I get to them to be sure, but the events of the last week have been so completely profound that I would just simply be wrong not to discuss what's going on and in particular to talk about it from Meyde little slice of things, which is the law enforcement will labor movement. And I want to read you some headlines. All of these headlines are from the last twenty four hours, and we're not focusing in these headlines. We're not focusing on the George Floyd incident except that, of course. What happened to George? Floyd is at the heart of it. All rather these These headlines are going to focus on police unions. I One from reason magazine and I don't know if you know reason magazine, it is a very very Republican magazine far right of center. Headline. It's time to bust police unions. Next headline from National Review magazine. This is the magazine that was started by William F Buckley longtime firmly Conservative magazine politically. George Floyd's death brings into focus. Police unions protecting bad cops. something called the California Policy Center and pull this one out. Not because there was a lack of other national headlines I could have reggie, but rather because this is one of these state groups, and this again a conservative for most of this. This type of call is coming from. Right side of the political spectrum is from an outfit called the California Policy Center. Every state has something like the California Policy Center. You know who the funders are, and what our attitudes are towards government. Headline. If you walk police reform, you have to rein in police unions. and then other headlines that are just as troubling but in a different way. AF. T at the American Federation of teachers any. A National Education Association demand overhaul of police practices. Next headline. Members of the AFL CIO call for the AFL CIO to drop police unions, a major police union, and the AFL CIO is the International Union Police Associations Yuka. And what you are saying is a call from member. Unions of the AFL CIO to drop police unions, and then you're saying all sorts of. Calls around the country this from left-of-centre the Guardian. de-fund the police in a US and I'm only reading you half a dozen. Of the. Dozens and dozens and dozens of articles that I have seen in the last twenty four hours on this issue. and it's really stunning and I think if those of US involved in the Public Safety Labor movement. Don't take this seriously. We could be looking at the beginning of the end of the public, Safety Labor movement. I now I know when you read these headlines You react emotionally. You react viscerally I do I did. and We have to get over that as well. We have to decide what it is. We are going to do for the good of public safety employees everywhere and I'm firmly convinced that the answer to that question is revitalized public safety unions, police and fire unions negotiate. Better lives for their members better wages better benefits if they go away and don't make any mistake about it. Starts with police unions not going to end their. If these unions go away. The lives of police officers and firefighters and corrections officers everywhere in the country are going to be fundamentally changed. Luck. In Two thousand sixteen in. Wake of what happened in Ferguson. I put together a list of ten things that I thought that police unions should be thinking about doing. and dusted off this morning. And I took some time to update and change it but a strikingly to me. Not so much has changed between now and four years ago when we were having somewhat of the same discussions. What has changed, is the ferber behind the movement to attack police unions. I am reading legislation all over the country that either cuts back on union rights or imposes reforms on police that are simply appalling. I read a piece of legislation, apparently, being fast, tracked and Colorado yesterday. This piece of legislation would make police officers personally liable for the first hundred thousand dollars in damages in a civil lawsuit. Even if the officers were acting in good faith. And would prohibit employers from defending and identifying officers under those circumstances I've read legislation in Oregon in the last twenty four hours that would end the the principle of binding arbitration binding arbitration of course under attack everywhere. Now look you and I have been through the facts this enough times. We know that arbitrators aren't the source of the problem here. When police departments issued discipline in this country ninety nine percent of the time. That discipline is up ninety nine percent plus of the time. It is up help. But, that's not the public perception. What we have is a fundamental gulf between the realities of police, work and police union and the public perception, a police work and police unions. How do we bridge that gap. There's really only one way to do it. We have to reinvent what it is. Police unions are doing. So let me give you what the ten points are, and I'll talk about them as we go through them and by the way. I welcome any suggestions, comments or criticisms. You have about any of this. We gotta do this thing together. We gotta get it right. And you know what we have to do it now. We can't sit back and wait. Okay Proposition, number. One Engage at all levels. Police Unions need to be out there in the community talking giving their message out and the have to do it every place they can. I tell my clients go to every meeting. You can possibly go to. You. Don't have to be making controversial statements. You don't have to be talking about wages or benefits or staffing or anything like that be a presence in your community that means every time your city, council or Board, supervisors or board of Commissioners Meets your there that means every time there's a subcommittee of those groups you are there. If you have civilian oversight and your city or your county in the majority of big cities and counties, now have some form of civilian oversight. You are at every meeting. Neighborhood Councils the Chamber of Commerce if not this chamber of Commerce. This long history of being anti union, you go to those meetings. You engage people you talk to them. You let them know that you're not a uniform, but you're a human being. Citizen Crime Groups Victims Groups once the last time you went to one of those meetings. It should have been last month. There are interest groups that meet out there that. Have some interest in law enforcement for example, local business groups go to those meetings participate in police. Community forms even if the other four people on that panel are people who have said incredibly terrible things about you. Unless you're on that panel. No one is going to hear a voice other than those for voices you go participate in television interviews talkshows, whatever it might be whenever you have the opportunity to be present to engage to talk to humanize yourself. Number two. Listen. Listen to what people have to say. They're very heartfelt thoughts out there. And Look. I think one of the fundamental problems that we have right now is that we view things in a binary mode, either you, the police or your community, or you're a Republican, or you're a Democrat or you good guy, or you're a bad guy or whatever it might be not none of those groups are monolithic right. There's an entire continuum people in every one of those organizations. We are all a mixture of all of us. And that means there are going to be points of compromise that you can find when you're having discussions. Now Look I'm not a a pollyannaish person I know. There are going to be some people with whom it is impossible to engage because of where they are in their life. I've been on those panels. You have to be the reasonable person at the table on those panels. You should be there listening hearing what the individuals have to say, trying to figure out the source of what those strong emotions are, and see whether or not there is a place in the middle where you can at least start to talk. Third Get your message out. You've got a very very powerful message. And the messages the job you do. Not just the nature of the job itself. How difficult it is to be a law enforcement officer how impossible it is to be a law enforcement officer in many settings. No one has a good idea unless you've been there and been in your shoes, what it's like to take a combative suspect. into custody. You need to be talking about the nature of the job, but you also need to be talking about how difficult it is to be an officer today. Tell you a little story. I'm from Portland Oregon and we had demonstrations that devolved into riots We've had them several days running last night. Thankfully was better than other nights. The worst of our nights was last Friday night. and I made a point of going to downtown Portland on Saturday morning, to walk around and see what had happened. And I ended up being somewhat profoundly depressed by. What I saw as I walked through our beautiful said. I saw that had been trashed millions of dollars of damage, if not tens of millions of dollars of damage. Done to downtown Portland. I walked around one of those downtown upscale shopping malls. The sidewalk outside was littered with empty clothes, hangers the clothes that had been on those hangers. Twenty four hours before of course were looted. I looked at graffiti all over the place, including the ever present a C A B graffiti. I looked at plate glass windows. Florida ceiling windows that had been completely shattered out of existence. I walk by the Louis, Vuitton store, or someone, or some groups of people took eighty thousand dollars in handbags I looked at the apple store where twenty-foot Florida ceiling window was no longer in existence, and the store has been looted. And when you see your own city in that condition. Much less what you say. You out there on the line say. When you're behind low shields, or maybe even not behind the shields when you're having rocks and incendiary devices thrown at you and your called every name in the world. What when you see those things. It is hard not to get profoundly depressed. But the most important thing that happened to me in downtown Portland on Friday. was where I ended up. I ended up at what's known as the Justice Center in Portland. Downstairs in the justice. Center is Portland's central precinct. it had been broken into Friday night and fire had been set in central precinct. On. The top floors of the Justice Center are the administrative. Offices and detectives and Police Bureau in the middle floors. Many of them are are a jail, so this fire was set by protesters on the ground floor of a building. Where inmates were incarcerated on numerous floors above it. there was a police tape outside and a number of police officers. This was nine in the morning. things said calm down. And one of the officers. Start talking to me. And he knew that I'd been out here representing police for. Many years and the other officers and some deputy sheriff's of. Kind of sidled over over time, and we had a ten or fifteen minute conversation These officers You could tell right away. These were good cops. you could tell by the concern in their voices. You could just tell by the message that they were giving. And they were a rainbow of people are white. They were black men. Women older officers, newer officers and to a person. they had the same feeling of Malays of depression that I have. And when I left, there one of the younger officers called me aside. He's a deputy sheriff in Multnomah. County Young African American officer and you can just tell talking to the guy great future in law enforcement Multnomah County. They still require. Degree to be sheriff so new his college educated. And I'd never met him before, and he said look man. You've been here a long time. Have you ever seen it this bad? And the answer I had to give him was no, or at least I started to give him that answer, and then some young kid walked by on the street behind me and started shouting at them, and he quickly had to turn his attention elsewhere. I, I! Tell you that story. Because the public does not understand. How difficult it is for you to be law, enforcement officers today. Not just the cop part of the job, but the personal part of the job. How difficult it is for you to see! That horrific video from Minneapolis. To See? Officers engaged in conduct that you find appalling. And to have yourself tarred with that same brush. And then for you to go home to your families. who have undoubtedly been getting the same message from their? Fam- from their family members and from there, France. Working need to make sure that the public understands. That, there are good people doing this work. That's why people do this work. And we need to understand. We need to get them to understand that the toxic nature of the conversation today. Is going to deter people from doing the work in the future. I walked away from that impromptu meeting at the Justice Center, thanking I'd be surprised at half of those folks were in law enforcement a year from now or two years from now. And what young man or woman, idealistic, young man or woman who wants to give their professional life to service to their community. Would want to become a law enforcement officer today, the public needs to understand us, and it needs to be an essential part of your. How else to get your message out? Hit your local media community leaders in your patrol cars. Have them come to your training? Put them through. Citizens, academies repeat as often as necessary. They need to understand that your person. Fourth suggestion. Be Proactive. Seek people out. Don't wait for them to come to you. If. You hear somebody says something that you disagree with approach them. Talk to them. They these may be pupil. You dislike Acre disrespect. But unless you're actually engaged in a conversation with them. What chance is there that you can ever move them? You can ever find common ground suck going to happen overnight right, but if you're persistent, it might. A little secret for is not really a secret I guess except I've never told anybody for now for ten years or so whenever I will read an article in a paper about policing or public safety unions that I dislike or I'll read a Journal of Professional, journal or something like that and we're set up here in L. R.. I S. where we. Would, we tend to, or we try to get headlines from all over the country every day. Everyone that we can possibly locate about police, fire, labor, and everything like that, but I read something I dislike I write the person. I Britain hundreds of emails to people. Citizens Lawyers. Leaders of activist groups professors. And they don't always answer most of the time they don't answer. But sometimes they do. And sometimes we've had some pretty good conversations so for example in this last week. there is a blog out there called marginal revolutions. It's run by a couple of economics professor at George Mason University. Tyler Cowen Alex Tabora. there. Those two and I are not going to reopen much at all They're sort of way out there, Libertarians. But they're very bright. Cowan in particular, probably in Polymath SORTA, Guy and. They wrote something each of them wrote something separately. Saying the problem here is police unions and they cited studies. I went to all of the studies, and I wrote each of them and said you know what. It can't simply on a blog reposted. Something like that without looking at the underlying studies. Because when you look at the underlying studies that you cited they don't support your proposition. You know what I'm in conversations with both of them right now. I have no idea who these people are. We've never met. But. That's what you need to be doing. Reaching out to people you've never met. You've never talk to to get your message how? My this suggestion and this I suspect is going to be the most controversial. No matter what the provocation! React professionally. The confrontational politics of old need to change. Do. You need better evidence that they don't work then what we are seeing right now. I don't think so. But let me give you some evidence. I think we probably all agree. That the best example, the most prevalent example, the most long standing example of confrontational police, union politics, and the country is in New York City. Where both the patrolman's Benevolent Association and the Sergeants Benevolent Association separate unions have been engaged in a public battle with now a series of mayors. You remember Pat Lynch the longtime president of the talking about how the mayor had. On his hands following the killing of a police officer, you remember the PB organizing officers turning their backs on the mayor When he arrived at an officers a memorial service you can remember the PBA. Following the mayor to his health club and protesting outside his health club or following to Iowa when de Blasio Mayor de Blasio. Had his failed run at the Democratic nomination for President They followed him to Iowa. So that they could tell everybody in Iowa. Water Bad guy he was. The Sergeants Benevolent Association in the last ten days referring to a city health director as a bitch. That's word. On a twitter post publishing the arrest record of the mayor's daughter, the mayor's daughter was arrested in a protest and the SBA actually published her home address. These are just examples I mean these unions have been at war with the city of new. York with the mayor of the city of New York going all the way back to the days of Mayor John Lindsay and that's way way back. That's into the nineteen sixties. What's the result? You know what care about when I'm representing police. Unions I care about wages and benefits. That's the number one priority for or should be in my mind. The number one priority for police unions and How do the New York tactics were how they worked overtime? Well the top step salary for New York police officer is a little bit more than seven thousand dollars a month. If you leave, New, York you can go into two different counties, Suffolk County and Nassau County. If a New York police officer working in Suffolk County. They'd be making nine thousand, two hundred ninety two dollars a month, two thousand dollars a month more into Nassau County. Three. Dollars a month more. And I could give you examples and other cities. Other cities where the hub city is not paid nearly what the suburbs are paid. I I'm not pulling any punches in this podcast look Chicago. and. I could give you other examples where we see unions that have been engaged with the community or the wages and benefits that they've been able to negotiate are the highest in the state. My home city of Portland for example a great example. So my point here. Is that these confrontational politics? I don't think they ever worked. But. Does anybody think they're working right now? Does anybody thank that they will be a way to head off the changes in collective bargaining laws that changes in laws regulating police practices. Is Everybody. Thank that now now. Some of you I'm sure you're probably thinking well, look you know president. Trump is in office. He supports the police, and and we got Republicans in charge of the Senate well this morning, Chuck Grassley. Very highly placed Republican in the center. Santa has announced that he is going to start judicial hearings on the use of force. If camp. Rely on what's going on at the national level? Your politics need to be professional. They can't be the confrontational politics of all. At, least me nicely into number six. Meet with your local politicians. Every month. Every month you ought to be meeting with one city council member, or to or board of supervisors, member and Yada be sitting down with them over coffee. No matter what their politics matter, what their background! No matter what they've said about you in the past. You need to be sitting down with them. You don't need to be. You don't need to go in there within a particular agenda don't just go in when that's bargaining time for example, or there's some sort of staffing issue or were there. There's a local police community issue. You just go in and you build a relationship with on. Because you know what that relationship? Can Be critical in the future when we get to a crisis. Number seven. Police. Unions need to rebuild their relationships with other unions. Too, often police unions have been. Off on their own. Not Participating in local union groups are coalitions are whatever they might be called not communicating on a regular basis with the presence of other unions When's the last time you sat down for lunch or coffee? With the President? Of for example, the General Employees Union in your city or county. What we are seeing right now is that the failed relationship between police unions and other unions? Has brought us to the point where the other unions are turning on police unions. Not just turning their backs and not helping. But being part of the attacks in Minnesota. Get ready for this. There are noises out of the MINNESOTA AFL CIO. Attacking binding arbitration. For Police Unions now sure they don't understand that you know the old line of you know. They came from my neighbor, but they didn't come for me so I didn't do anything. And then they came for made I'm. Sure, they don't understand that. But, the fact of the matter is we have unions arguing against the. Core of what it is to have job protections in a collective bargaining agreements a neutral decision by a third party. Police Unions need to get out of their shell and. In the community of other labor organizations. Meet with the Monterey basis talk with them on a regular basis once again I don't care if they have been marching against you and that's actually happening in some places right now. That doesn't matter. We're talking about what the future is going to be not the past. Number Eight? Establish a community presence. I and. The value of this you simply cannot overstate I'm GONNA. Give you a little war story here, and it's a war story from Anchorage Alaska and I think it's the best example of the importance of community presence so Anchorage Alaska bargains under a local ordinance. There's a statewide collective bargaining Lon Alaska, but municipalities had the option to. Opt Out of the coverage of the collective bargaining law, and in the one thousand nine hundred seventy s they did, and anchorage passed its own word nuts. And what that means when you bargain under a local ordinances that on any given night when your city? Council is meeting and in Anchorage. That was to say. the. Governing Body, the city council can repeal or modify the collective bargaining ordinance. The Anchorage Police Association. All this has been made public by the. APA, acids called many years ago. So I feel free to say it now. the Anchorage Police sociation. In the late nineteen eighty s early nineteen nineties was in pretty Straits didn't have a big war chest. a conservative. Republican mayor has been elected. He actually ran on the plank. That police were being paid too much money. And And it just simply didn't look good the politics in Alaska very very conservative. Compared to the what they call the lower forty eight, so that was really a possibility that that any given Tuesday was going to occur and. The very existence of collective bargaining anchorage was either going to be fundamentally affected, or it was going to end. So what the? Did was to create a strategic plan. Strategic Plan that asked itself. Where do we want to be in three years in five years seven years? Where do we WANNA be financially? Where do we want to be with respect to our collective bargaining agreement? Where do we want to be with respect to the community? And how do we get there? And they decided that among other things establishing a community presence was vital. And they did. Every meeting they could go to they went to. An organization called stand together against rape. They were on the board of stand together against rate. The Anchorage Chamber of Commerce. This actually blew me away. The Police Union became the primary voice for law enforcement on the Anchorage Chamber of Commerce. They were all over the place at neighborhood meetings, doing kinder- print, and doing shop a cop. They started a coffee with a COP program. I could go on and on and on. And they went on and on and on and then several years ago Tuesday night happen. We had another one of those mayors. This guy was actually kind of a tea party. Sort of mayor. Put together rushed legislation, and by six to five vote the City Council in Anchorage adopted an ordinance. It was called Ao Thirty Seven an ordinance that would have fundamentally ended collective bargaining and Anchorage, and not only that would have called for an average wage and benefit decrease of thirty five percent for members of the Police Union. The Police Union gathered enough signatures to get the repeal of AO thirty seven on the ballot. And the voters got to weigh in these conservative voters got to way, and these voters sued tend to be anti. Labor got to weigh in. And you know what they did by now. They approved their a repeal of the ordinance. They sided with the men and women. They had seen in all of these different community events. The community events built a relationship and built trust. It was more important than any amount of money in the bank. Every police union in the country needs to be doing something like that. Number nine. Some of you hate me about this one is well. Stopping Aligned with one, POLITICAL PARTY I'm real pragmatic about the issue of politics and police unions. You support who supports you, not people who are giving lip service to you, not someone who's GonNa Patch you on the head, and say we stand with the cops and we hate the other guys. I want to see what it is they done. I want to see what it is. They done to improve your wages or your benefits or your safety or your work, life or your collective bargaining rights. And if they haven't done anything. I don't care what they are saying publicly. You start supporting the other guy. If you are aligned with one political party wherever it is, you are, you could be in a liberal part of the country. You could be in a conservative part of the country. You're aligned with with one political party. What happens when the other party comes into power? It is going to happen. You know it changes. Then, you're going to find the very core of your existence at risk. I, read something this morning. That said it was talking about How police unions are becoming more politically conservative members police unions are becoming more politically conservative which I think probably is an an accurate assessment by the way. but This article what struck me was the the last time. The fraternal order of police supported a Democratic candidate for president. What do you think? Nineteen Ninety six. Twenty four years ago. Some of your members weren't alive them. And what happens if in this November election? We? See as many are predicting right now. A huge shift in national politics from Republicans Democrats, what is going to happen in terms of legislation that comes out of Congress? Police Unions need to be supporting pro police candidates, not political parties. The ever shifting wins a politics. Put you at risk if those winds are going to shift against you. And lastly, and and this is a mechanical issue. This is not a structure a one. If. You don't have an online presence. You are constantly maintaining and pushing out there. You're not communicating with the public adequate in that in this day and age. You're not. And Yes to be sure that means facebook, although facebook sky, no than older medium at this point you wanna be on twitter. You WanNa be on Instagram, you, you know you, you WANNA. Make sure that those people who weren't born in Nineteen Ninety six. Who are your members? You WanNa. Make sure you involve them in your social media outreach program to make sure you're doing things right and if you can afford it, you got consultants in. Who can help you with your messaging, but in addition to all of the in person meetings, and and all of the one on ones that I have been suggesting your online presence I don't think can be underestimated, and it's something that requires diligence choirs a lot of work but you know what unless we do that? We're not going to be communicating with all members of the public. Okay that's it. My rant is over I'm really worried. I and I think there's time to change. We have to start that process of change right now. What has been happening in this country and the last few years with respect to the police community relationship. CanNot be allowed to continue. And police unions. Don't just need to be part of the solution. They need to be pushing the solution. Well with that, says well aitchison signing off, be well, everyone.

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Norman Solomon and the Persistence of Activism

Radicalize Me

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Norman Solomon and the Persistence of Activism

"Welcome back to radicalize me. An activist podcast. My guest this week is the legendary activist. Norman solomon founder of routes action and the institute for public accuracy. There's are both gray resources for activists that You definitely go. Take a look at Norman based in the bay area of california and he's been at this for many years. It's very exciting to have someone of his caliber on the show. You know he's been at this for a long time and he He's got some really good insights about how to take action right now. That's what we do here. The way i got connected to him was kind of funny So back a a little before the election you know. I put out a special episode. Where i explained why i the way i got connected with him. As is kinda funny So back a little before the election. I put out a special episode a very special episode Where i explain my reasoning for voting for biden right. That episode was inspired by a very dumb facebook conversation. I had with someone. I knew through comedy who made a lot of the arguments that i responded to on the show. The whole show was just a sub tweet at that guy. But at one point he He tagged norman and talked about how he failed the leftist movement under bush. Or some shit. I don't know. But then norman shows up in my shitty little facebook thread and drops his own fucking article about why strategic voting is important which was awesome So him and he was happy to do the show. So he's a super nice guy and Just by number of years he has way more experience than anyone who has been on radicalized. Me including myself. I think you're going to enjoy this so we're going to get right to it. I i'm trying to thing here. I want to see if we can keep the interest shorter so the interview comes in sooner but about halfway through the interview. I'm going to pop back in and do a little talk about a topic. Like i would normally do at the beginning of the show. If you hate those segments you can skip ahead three or four minutes and you'll be back to the interview. There's a lot of my might be a nice break things up a bit right. Let me know what you think you know. You're the one who has to listen so You tell me anchor dot fm slash radicalized me or radicalize me at gmail.com at one. More thing before we get started. I promise i'd like to invite you to subscribe to my youtube music channel. Right down the name so you don't forget it's ready joe messina. If you're a long-time listener you know. I'm also a musician and songwriter. And while you won't find much on the channel right now. I have a new music video premiering on friday december eleventh funny christmas song about communism. It's all i can say. But you're not gonna wanna miss that. Now here's my talk with norman. Solomon so you're in california. Yeah just north of san francisco on the coast very cool country I'm in boston all. Yeah so i you know. I've spent most of my life in the sudden northeast area. Grew up in new york and connecticut lived in philly for a few years and came here a couple years ago. So yeah how about you. Where are you from. Originally i around. Dc must say okay so california about forty years. Oh wow so so yeah you were in the in. The thick of politics from the beginning was i actually grew up at the time of the yen. More starting right. You're on dc. So yeah that was pretty intense Good demonstrating yeah. So we're your parents. Do they share your politics mostly off. They were sort of liberal democrats. Yeah might as well very cool. So will now. You're i'm sure you're doing several things. But i know routes action is is your group. Is that right. Yeah yeah with jeff cohen. I co-founded protection about ten years ago national director. They're also executive director of institute for public accuracy. Which is a fiber one c. Three we actually might. Kinda usefully provide good sources to media. Okay yes. I'm actually very interested in in that kind of thing. These days i've been. I've been thinking a lot about the The end of the fairness doctrine and the explosion of right wing media so that that is a very interesting topic. Yeah you might sign up. Accuracy dot org Sign up as media outlets gift up good leads in contacted for people interview. Accuracy dot org. Yeah all right very cool so with with that group. Then what's sort of What is the the joe like your job there. And and what's the organization's job like how do you sort of compile sources are we taking it. Yeah yeah. I can start it whenever whenever you want to. But yeah look at the institute for public. Accuracy really dedicated to providing sources to news media. I mean across the board large and small left right center. Whatever sources that usually aren't senior heard in news media and so i'm really proud of for twenty years now. The institute for public accuracy has been providing sources in a way. We're offering people who otherwise just often won't get her seen or read right. Yeah that's great. I mean in doing this show. I i really wanted to seek out some maybe lesser known and just less sort of connected sources who who who are not normally heard from So that's great. Yeah in ecological terms metaphorically. We might call it the under story. What doesn't get seen from the Totally obscured it's people's real lives in some of the powerful movements that are growing or that. Yeah yeah well. I think You know my my mission. When i started this was to Provide myself and any listeners. With Ways to get involved in ways till you know see themselves in the political struggles that They're aware of And i think yeah the it. Does it serves that purpose. Much better when You're talking to these kinds of sources instead of just you know You know this is like the daily show or whatever. I love that show but it you know the talk to put big politicians talk to leaders of giant organizations that you know it's it's not Not something that people can always see themselves in. Yeah and there's tennessee even some of the better shows in sadly some of the best quote unquote news is coming out of places like the daily show. And he'll stephen colbert so forth. It's a interesting dynamic. That win somebody. In an elected position is on the program interviewed. Or some like thomas. Friedman safe from the new york times. There's often undue reverence by the hosts. You'll hear that too on. Npr program like fresh air with terry gross right again. Despite example thomas friedman or any number of other establishing media people or just almost fawned over and given their records and the double standards on human rights or the ways that outlets like your times in washington post or the new yorker for that matter supported the invasion of iraq in two thousand three just as calamitous horrific attack on iraq quits still having such awful consequences in humanitarian and yet that history is often ignored. And so we have the A sort of a left right mythology that somehow you've got the liberal media and the right wing media while we do but a lot of the so-called liberal media is really to the the corporate the military industrial complex right. Yeah there's not a lot of anti-capitalist news. I guess it's sort of you know the system work and even it's interesting to me if you watch. Cnn which is completely anti trump has been for quite a long time often. Does some very good critiques of trial but challenging the underlying neo-liberal system is just not on the radar and ryan. The left edge of cnn is is so mild and differential to power. Who is on cnn from the left will ban junk used to be on the left. He's not anymore nanakli. Just don't get these other boys right. Yeah i mean. That's what i always think about is You know they'll say they're. They're showing both sides. But you know the the supposed laughter. Liberal side is Like you're saying it's van jones or or it's Someone from the mainstream democratic party and then the right is the right. It's the hugh hewitt or someone like that. I never see you on there and never see chomsky. Or angela davis. Yeah it's it's interesting chomsky. I remember High attempted to ask robert siegel who was then Major host and producer. Really in effect on all things considered on npr. And i was reading an article that chomsky that fortunately the baltimore sun reenact believe it was his seventieth earth like twenty years ago and i asked wise trump's not a new program and he was very sniffy in huffy in his back with voted in the piece. We don't have professor chops theon. And that's typical. I mean i think that cianci was on the pbs newshour. Once failure the media watch group commented. The world did not collapse. It was not a complete horror for this system but they could not bite it at the pbs newshour and it is fascinating. It's it's a good case in point. Union european media or asia. Or latin america chumps. He's just been all over mass media quite often. Yeah pace but not in this country right and that's one of the things that When i look at you know just everything is on youtube. And when i see like kind of old tv programming from like you know when the fairness act fairness doctrine still existed There's just tons of these conversations you know. Maybe it's all just on like public broadcasting but it'll be noam chomsky and william f buckley debating. It'll be angela davis and some conservatives conservative and and That's something that we don't get a lot of these days. It's a very stark difference. Often two sites that are not more than two sides mean really we. We know the other eighteen or twenty six ways to approach one issue in yet rio. It's offering boiled down to less right. I know that shares documented even back when there was a lot of debate a couple of decades ago a healthcare i think it was during the time that hillary clinton was being out her version as the quote unquote first lady and there were former congress. People a democrat or republican were regulars on all things considered or morning edition talking about healthcare options. They were both working for the insurance industry so they you have a debate within a narrow frame which is really you know if there's a paradigm that's as clear one is any that just is not a wide range and quite often we're told well you know We need to give equal time to the right. The rate have their own media. How the Fox they have these very big powerful actually multi billion dollar corporations that are propagating. The likes of rush limbaugh or tucker carlson or other off odious folks but we're is the application of people on the left. I mean we are importantly spreading out often using the internet but still in all we just don't have the financial horsepower to to keep right. Yeah what do you think it is that Keep something like democracy now or or the guardian going. I mean i know they're they're mostly funded by you Listeners and readers but like how is it that they they succeed where a lot of leftist media ventures fail wealth. Wealthy talk about democracy. Now i mean that's been overnight. Success that took decades real right to to gain so much. Prominent it was absolute determination and talent juan gonzalez and they build an institution that even though we know those names there dozens of people who are working full time it has methodically built step by step and it's wonderful what it is. We could benefit from dozens and dozens of programs with the reach that democracy now has and so. It's all to the good. We have many other media situtions. I was thinking about that Again the other day that you go back forty years ago. Fifty years ago. You had the boston phoenix in the area. Where you are real paper. We had we had circled underground papers around the country and they were the main means of communication. And then you had an outfit like liberation news service that would literally a photocopy and put things in postal mail in the negbi tight out. His computers to speak of they would be Published in you had ultimately millions of copies at certain moments going out at a given week around the country say around nineteen sixty nine. Nineteen seventy that if you're gonna go into the nineteen eighties. What was really the main means of communication among progresses or outlet for progressive left outlooks. It was primarily radio and specific our radio the five pacific own stations. Dc york dc came in later. New york houston los angeles san francisco and then dozens and dozens of community stations that were pacific affiliates. And so that's how we heard them. Chomsky for instance is the or summing with his program. Alternative radio would syndicate weekly Our long lectures discussions from chance and many other people on the left that was in the nineteen eighties extremely important. And then of course. In a ninety scratchily the internet came in and that load barriers to entry to really be able to reach a lot of people so while print has been important. Light thinking clearly. Progressives are have been are learning to utilize the internet which is going to be crucial. You're not right. Yes of course. Yeah Yeah i mean that's one thing i see is that there's a lot there's definitely podcasting but i thank god. Youtube is more where i see like like big leftist media personalities emerging but i. I'm a little concerned that it's it's less you know problem left. Seems to always have little as unified and Yeah so i guess. I'm wondering is. Is that something you see as well. Do you see that changing at all is. Is there a bigger leftist consensus building. Well there's a cacophony of voices you say to some degree that's healthy. I mean a healthy forest has a lot of different aspects to it at the same time. We have a lot of information and analysis and there's some diversity of outlook i think. Actually there's been a coalescence in the last few years. That's the very healthy to my mind. But i i would say that. The information announces crucial. And so is the organizing. And we've been stronger on the analysis and the information flow with programs like democracy now What sites like common dreams than we have been to organize effectively. And i think that's beginning to shift Markedly and moving into the electoral arena. More forcefully effectively. I think has been very important. Ans- mccoll lessons. We're and that's where routes action was founded. Because ten years ago. We felt that while there was a lot of flow happening at information analysis it was much less strongly. Progressive action arm activity online. It a frankly unhappy with move on which was on very down at that. Point in terms of being an action are they were often in accessory it. It seemed a liberal elements inside the democratic party without being willing to challenge war when it was being done by obama that sort of thing and so it's action really grew out of recognition that while we have these create information outlets that were growing we didn't have a corresponding strength in the the action organizing realm on the internet when i think that has improved as well not only it roots action but other other groups in terms of coalescence i think that the bernie sanders campaign in two thousand sixteen. Of course that means going back to early twenty fifteen or mid twenty we have benefited from five years plus of the creativity the clinical analysis and approach of the sanders campaigns. And of course that got us the squad in your area. Boston nanjing presley we have. Uc on elmar. She did tell lead. We now have Coming in congress jamaal bowman. This job didn't come out of thin air because it was this recognition that was have to organize inside outside electoral rena batting winning elections Yeah and not something. That i feel like bernie understands while you know. It's i get people's frustration that he's not just salting the earth and going full revolution. I think he knows what he's doing because he knows that. Exactly what you're talking about is important. And he knows that his runs for president weren't just his runs for president and they kind of sparked a lot of this. Yeah absolutely So as roots action. Is it sort of a a a networking space for for people or is it Like are you sort of like organizing movements and actions throat or really increasingly. Both everybody's welcome to go to route session data oregon sign up for our action alerts. We do an action alert most days a week actually and we started Ten years ago with zero people on our list. We now have the. Us one point. Two million actively signed up done actions and of steel and we have increasingly been involved in electoral work. We frankly didn't feel. There were many candidates to congress with a chance to win who we felt comfortable supporting right likewise presidential candidates but we supported the bernie sanders campaign of two thousand sixteen. We did make some public. Criticisms some tv and radio program saying where's the foreign policy of bernie sanders with what happened to his willingness to challenge the military industrial complex ryan. There wasn't much of that. There wasn't much foreign policy at all in his twenty sixteen run. It really proves a during twenty nineteen twenty twenty We were part of criticizing him again publicly early on in his twenty twenty campaign by twenty nineteen and more and more. He talked about the military industrial complex. Burning would say point blank. We gotta spend money on healthcare education housing rather than finding more ways to kill people. And i think it was very important that he increasingly did that. One of our meena points has been that if you're going to challenge corporate power that has to include the corporate power that is making a killing literally and figuratively from the pentagon right. Yeah absolutely Yeah he did. He did improve a lot on that. And i think it's important for people to recognize that you know bernie is imperfect who is never perfect but like he responded to To the the pressure from his his base and from voters absolutely end another realm would be in terms of racial justice. We're perhaps for reasons including the came from an overwhelmingly white state of remind not talking about his childhood brooklyn political decades and so he was. He was slow on the uptake. And what's confronted by Black lives matter and the groups and rather than just being defensive like hillary clinton was he learned to be changed and he all the rallies. I went to california last year. The bernie sanders campaign one in los angeles san francisco at around the country. We see it in here youtube. You're saying elsewhere talk about The prison industrial complex in a systemic racism. And i really think that he developed a very short ways to address it in terms of economic social and racial justice together. Yeah yeah yeah. He really got better at that What are your thoughts on the I guess centrist or liberal critique of The left during this election and the The accusation i guess that that the more leftist like slogans and policies that were being talked about hurt democrats in more conservative states. Or anything to that. District's really do vary at the same time out. Zambia consequential has pointed out that people in swing districts democrats in the house who swing districts who advocated for medicare for all in a green new deal. They all want right and the political bloodbath among incumbent democrats in the house who lost their seats were also called moderates. They were not people have vacating now. The fact is i wrote about this piece. That people could find my website. Norman solomon dot com or googling. My name common dreams. I made the point that it was. The corporate centrist democratic party had control of the party messaging in the campaign messaging nationally. They have the presidential candidate. They wanted. joe biden. They had huge advertising budgets. They had enormous national media megaphone and they got to pop out there so-called'moderate message which was primarily that donald trump was terrible which he is and very little about economic issues. Very little about advocating for working people children seniors and so forth so they got the campaign they wanted an except for the presidential race pretty much got clobbered and then after getting clobbered they say it's the fault of the left which is their reflex right that that's how it struck me as well. You know i. i don't know you know. I don't know much about south carolina. But i i do know that Yeah it's it's it's still like in varied places where Progressives are winning plenty of elections so well that was always going to be launched against Lindsey graham but jamie harrison lost victim points whose tremendous amounts of money on his campaign. And aiming mcgrath was a a darling of the centrists in kentucky and you had a booker who ran are almost feeder primary who is much more vibrant from the laugh right. So it's really hard to point to a lot of successes from centrist hickenlooper. Looper in colorado did win. His opponent. gardner was known known to be in trouble. So it's it's not that one-size-fits-all by i think what what bernie showed is that. There is a tremendous support base for progressives. That's been to a large degree on tap and young people in particular. Of course the primaries went overwhelmingly for for bernie and that is the future is younger. Ropes right Hey here it is that that new segment. I told you about I'd like to take a minute here to talk about right. Wing extremism and specifically right wing terrorism. I've gotten into a couple of super arguments online recently about right wing terrorism in the us and it occurs to me that. I'm not sure anyone is taking it seriously. Enough left right and center. I think this country's failing to grasp how dangerous these people are. So i'd like to take a minute and try to convince you. Now in these discussions. It's always good to set some definitions at the beginning. The word terrorism can mean different things. Depending on who you're talking to when you're talking to me i tend to go by the fucking dictionary from merriam webster. Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion great. I hate when they do that. So what the fuck terror violence or the threat of violence used as a weapon of intimidation or coercion. Especially violent or destructive acts such as bombing committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands. Okay now i can already hear some of you saying Wouldn't this definition of terrorism implicate most governments and even some of the left wing groups. You agree with and the answer is yes. I'll also add that. I i never said. Terrorism can't be positive or at least useful towards positive goals for instance in the critically acclaimed rpg the outer worlds. You travel throughout various space colonies and depending on how you choose to play. You have the option to betray and assassinate the corporate executives and colony leaders who repress their workers in that pretend world in that video game you can certainly justify those actions which serve the greater good. It's a very fun. Make believe video game regardless. Left-wing wing terrorism is all but irrelevant in our case. Because you'll see it hardly exists. But joe what about antifa. What about blm. I hear you. And i'm trying to get better about softening my tone with people who disagree with me but if you believe antifa and blm or terrorist groups you are dumb and wrong. I'm not saying that. No one who identifies with those groups commits violence. Of course that's not true. We could easily assume that's not true even if it were super easy to find several articles about blm antigua's who did violence. So they'll bother sending them to me. One of the most prominent examples is the guy who murdered a member of patriot prayer and then apparently started yelling. I'm one hundred percent and tif of shit which was definitely politically motivated. Ssim portland i think But the problem is because of our government's right wing bias in both major parties right wing. Extremists can intimidate the public multiple times with assault rifles violently assault dissidents at trump murder untold numbers of marginalized people through groups like the kkk. Or more discreetly through policing and our leaders are still pontificating over whether they are terrorists but one supposed- antifa guy kill someone or a few people break windows and they go. I see terrorists or they say thugs and anarchists like obama and biden and of course now that the republican party and right wing media more or less openly support right wing terrorism. This further legitimizes right wing. Extremists and further stigmatizes all left wing activism. Of course this isn't true across the board. But i think it would be dishonest and not very observant to say you didn't notice this general trend next. Let's talk about some statistics. The most jarring stat comes from a brief by the center for strategic and international studies or cesis titled the escalating terrorism problem in the united states. Right to the point there. I should make clear. Ceases is a purportedly centrist. Think tank and those can be a bit slimy but They seem to be very transparent about their sources and their funding and the research looks pretty sound. i'll include link where you can look at their methodology. I you know. I looked at the more left-leaning southern poverty law center for this pieces well and apt to say. It's off several red flags. When i couldn't find a single citation for any of their stats are claims. Also a lot of the members of ceases are former republican politicians. There are plenty of democrats too. But i just wanna make clear. This is not some fucking leftist operation manipulating data. To make the right look bad they say they compiled an original data. Set of eight hundred ninety three terrorist plots and attacks in the united states between january nineteen ninety-four and may twenty twenty quote. Far right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators including from far left networks and individuals inspired by the islamic state and al qaeda. The ones we've been at war over for twenty years it's more than that moving along right. Wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the united states since nineteen ninety four and the total number of right wing attacks plots has grown significantly during the past six years What's happened over the past. Six years right wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the united states in two thousand nineteen and over ninety percent between january one and may eight twenty twenty this is the biggest takeaway from the brief and you may have seen several articles about it since it was published in june. Those are the significant numbers. Those are not presidential election numbers right as two thirds of the attacks and twenty nineteen and over ninety percent in the first four months of this year. That's fucking insane. Let's look at the numbers now and compare of right wing. Terrorism too left wing. Terrorism the guardian article. Antifascists linked to zero murders in the us in twenty five years created a little chart here with the c. Says numbers and this is a little weird because it seems like they use anti fascist and leftist interchangeably. Here and those should be interchangeable but they probably should have kept antifa and the general left separate in the chart for the sake of analysis. Also please note that. The guardian published this four months ago before that self proclaimed antifa guy killed the patriot. Pair guy that being said according to data there've been zero victims killed in anti fascist attacks since one thousand nine hundred four. How many victims do you think died in right wing attacks since one thousand nine hundred four. Well it's three hundred twenty nine then they look at killing since two thousand ten now. Here's where they switch from antifa to swing maybe. They didn't have leftist numbers for the ninety four to twenty and nineteen period. I don't know again. The ceases methodology. I think is fine. I think the guardian conflict up here nonetheless since two thousand ten. Left-wing attacks have killed twenty on twenty one people. All right wing. Attacks have killed one hundred seventeen. They also add here that jihadist attacks have killed ninety five people since two thousand ten again more from fucking white boys now. The guardian says here while researchers sometimes disagree on how to categorize the ideology of specific attacks multiple databases that track extremist violence including data maintained by the anti-defamation league and from journalists at the center for investigative reporting have found the same trend. It's violent right wing. Attacks not far left violence that prevent presents the greater deadly threat to americans. Today left wing. Violence has not been a major terrorism threat said seth jones a counterterrorism expert who led the creation of ceases as data set. This next part is from an article on type investigations. That's the site. The eighty seven people killed by far right terrorists over the first three trump years. One hundred forty five if we include the fifty eight killed in the october twenty. Seventeen shooting rampage in las vegas. Far outstrip the seventeen killed by his llamas or the four killed by left-wing extremists. Now because you know numbers important. But he's not all numbers. Let's get into the causes of right wing and left wing terrorism. What were their motivations back. To the guardian here most of the deadly extremist attacks in most of the deadly extremist attacks. The ceases reach researchers categorized as left wing. Were killings of police officers by black men many of them. Us military veterans who described acting out of anger or retribution. For police killings of black americans many of the other left-wing attacks or plots in the season database including by anarchists environmental groups and others resulted in no deaths at all often. Left-wing plots particularly by animal rights activists have targeted businesses or buildings and their primary weapon. Weapons have been incendiaries designed to create fires or destroy infrastructure. Not kill people said jones. The research led the creation of the data. Set interesting now. What drives the right to violence. Back to ceases white supremacists. Networks are highly decentralized. Most believed that whites have their own culture. That is superior to other cultures are genetically superior to other people's and should exert dominance over others. Many white supremacists also adhere in varying degrees to the great replacement conspiracy. The conspiracy claims that whites are being radically. Aided by ethnic and racial minorities including jews and immigrants. Brenton tarrant the christ church shooter in new zealand. And patrick crusius. The el paso shooter espoused the most radical view of the great replacement conspiracy known exceleron ism as advocated by tarrant and crusius violent acceleration est claim that the demise of western governments should be accelerated to create radical social change and establish a whites. Only ethnos state. Okay i'm back. it's jo okay. So the left. Kill police in retaliation for wrongful death but mostly they attacked buildings in the name of environmental or animal rights and avoid killing people. While the right are largely white supremacists who shoot up crowded places in want to establish a whites. Only ethno state I guess there's two intellectually and morally equivalent sides to every issue. This is a super important distinction. All right the right will tell you that. They're not terrorists even when they walk around armed to the teeth trying to intimidate government officials. Because they didn't do any property damage but blm. Protesters are terrorists because some of them did do damage. You've probably heard this ad nauseam lately. Let me make perfectly clear. People are more important than property Right wing extremists and the right in general had made very clear that they believe the opposite capitalism. It's in the name. They not only accused the left of terrorism because the property damage but they downplay their own attacks on human beings then they turn around and cry foul if one guy kills a nazi and claims allegiance to antifa. So don't try to play nice with these assholes if you're if you're a living saint and you find that you have the ability to actually convert nazis to to real people which happened like some people can do that. Go ahead but in general they are not to be negotiated and bargained with. This is the breakdown there's nazis and there's everyone else now back to the show so when it comes to So well the way. I got connected with you was a facebook friend of mine was actually not too happy with you folks. That is true. But yeah 'cause i had posted something where i i said. Okay you know. i've i've come around. And i feel like what we have to do is vote for joe biden. It's not the be all end. All of politics know who we vote for president. But let's get the less bad option in and keep doing the rest of it and this guy was was kind of making that argument that that It's better like better for leftists under You know extreme right-wing Governments somehow he Yeah he cited you at one point but Yeah so. I'm just curious to get your thoughts on on this because i'm sure you've seen this cycle go on a few times. What are your thoughts on. Sort of the strategic Voting yeah well. I the idea that it's better for the last worship gets distinct. His is dangerous enter. Postures i mean the nazis than will be really good before were were dragged off to prison right. I think that makes no sense in. It's no message to the people who are suffering that they should suffer more that there should be more cuts in health care education housing of so. I wrote a piece another months ago. That you've got a lot of response in. It is said that the headline was to the fact that some progressives in denial about the neo-fascist momentum of the trump republicans. I think we're seeing now played out again for the first time. Just how real that is. I mean look at the mentality that trump people and how they're trying to deny the obvious about who won this presidential election. Can you imagine if the states that swung the election has swung a little bit differently and we were looking at another for years. trump mean. This is a theme that now. Chomsky focused on when he did the video that we featured in launch of the vote trump out campaign. People can still see up. Their rejection started in early. August trump out trump dot. Org and chomsky was saying with the far-right in power with trump. As president we get nowhere in terms of policy we hit a brick wall right whereas if we get trump out of there and we get biden in there. We have a possibility. We have some face. The left has potential to really change. Policy is what it should all be about. It's not about. The number of people can get under demonstration although should always strive to have big protests is not about increasing the subscription numbers for a magazine. Because we can stoke more anger out a republican president. It's about changing policy. And it's about fulfilling the two overarching responsibilities. The left which is to fight the right wing. Nfo's are racists the nativist misogynists and also to fight for an implement a genuinely progressive program. And we're not gonna do that with the right wing in power right. yeah you know. This is The sort of history of socialism and revolutionary action is something. I've only started to scratch the surface of but The you know information. I seem to have come across as that. Even someone like vladimir. Lenin was an advocate of participating in boo joie electoralism when necessary. Like there's just times where like you come up to that that date on the calendar and you just have to make a choice like what's going to serve my goals the best So you know molly ivins the great writer. Progressive writer at a texan. Fortunately has passed away. had a formula really early on in the eighties and she said in the primaries. You absolutely vote for your ideal. Have any sort of practical way to win. But then we get to the general. Have to make this choices right. Yeah i i see it as it's always a harm reduction choice There's no there's no perfect way forward but Yeah so. I guess what You've probably had this conversation a million times so like what. What do you What do you tell people when they say to you. That you know I don't want like participate in the system anymore. And i don't want support corporatism in like what is sort of your response to that. Well i agree with chomsky. Getting accented art trump out video is not about how you feel right this therapy session. This is about how we can make change for the better and the reality is that if we opt out the electoral system it's not about going progressive. Heaven not sent by odie for somebody who was impure. It's about building movements. In changing public policies or people don't suffer ultimately so militarism doesn't destroy vast quantities that lives for those who are advocating a third party in the presidential arena or federal offices that are With partisan designations on the ballot. You i think can ask. What would have happened if alexandria ocasio cortez ran as a green party candidate in new york. Right she would still be tending. Bar was nothing wrong with tending barbeque. Were much happier with her being in. Us house of representatives likewise. What would have happened if illinois omar rashid. It's to leave. Had run third party likewise they would not be in congress and there's a long long longer list of people were that's true so people as as a practical matter can say. I don't want to associate with Party and we won't have anybody. In congress who advocates for us the way to uc and retreated to leave and others are doing really quite wonderfully and there's a synergy between the movements and their presence in congress that helps in both facets so people. Can you know correctly. want And be ineffectual as a result right. yeah Yeah you know one way. I've i've thought about it is Because 'cause left us who have this conversation with will bring up the the sort of like outside of electoralism stuff like what about direct action. What about this and that and I you know. I agree with them. Like yes. I think that we should all be doing those things but it is right now like i. I've done some work with the our local mutual aid group. But it's hard to do because there's a pandemic that the government hasn't gotten under control and i don't you know my work hours are not what they used to be. So i don't have the money to like front like food for people all the time so like i'd much rather things be slightly stabilized so that we can do all those things while you're quite right especially during the pandemic urine hopefully in another year. So we'll be freed up from that concern. In terms of some of the republic actions definitely believe we always need to do protests. We need that movements that function outside of the electoral system and also intrude into the electoral system. There was that wonderful moment when sunrise movement to in at nancy pelosi's office. Ac had just been elected she came and spoke to that was a pivotal moment. That helped launch the renew deal as a national widely discussed concept and madison example. A direct action but intersected with the electoral arena. I think and this is sir anecdote i think. Unless you're in this debate daniel ellsberg the person who leaked the pentagon papers as activists ever since in the last fifty years the pentagon papers surfaced in nineteen seventy one and he wrote an article of using the doors of our trump campaign. Read an article. That was widely read in michigan. Detroit metro times published vehemently advocating for voting for by especially in swing states and he was of course denounced as her. Oh you don't believe in protests in us. Work has been arrested more than nine hundred times right nonviolent direct action since releasing that the cruces completely in that realm like so many other people he recognized that is not an either or we need to organize protests demonstrate and bill social movements apart from the democratic party apart from certainly the electoral rena as well but also we need to get people in office who our client can respond brian. The example of franklin delano roosevelt. He was not a progressive winning. A selected. nineteen thirty two was social movements. That may the new deal possible but he wasn't an idiot. He wasn't a trump. he wasn't a somebody who is simply going to be a stone wall that we hit our heads up against right Yet you do you see any You know i know Candidates end president-elect search tend to say things right before they get in office that they don't necessarily do but do you see like any good signs from biden and he sort of like concessions that you think might go somewhere. The only good signs. I see is that people are organizing. Yeah we have to take a page take a lesson from people cut a lot of slack for clinton when he came in for obama he came down the results. Was that wall street. Will it right into the administration's in terms of policy and the militarists as well i frankly at this juncture. Don't see a lot of good signs. Were told that jared bernstein. The progressive economist will have some sway. I think they'll be some decent appointments to cabinet and so forth but they're also going to be a lot of bad once. We're seeing like cedric richmond. The congressperson germ just been appointed to be director of the office of public engagement. He's a she'll for the oil gas fossil fuel industry there's a number of batts signs coming up and that just to me back at route. Section dot org. We are organizing. We're determined to fulfill the second part of our campaign which was vote trump out then challenged biting right. We voted trump. 'bout now it's time to confront the biden administration right Yeah yeah because i. I think people rightfully fear the the The ongoing like moving the goalposts of like well don't criticize by the now because he's running against trump and then like don't criticize him now he's not even in office yet then like the midterms coming and whatever. Yeah but yeah. I think that You know as with anything. I think people could stand to. Just turn off the outside voices a little bit and be like all right. Yeah p like someone's gonna to get mad no matter what you do like. Just just do it. Yeah i think there's much more of a foothold now in the democratic party including congress than we had just five years ago. The leadership is better of the progressive caucus of yet mark. Paul can react giant paul. And they're just tougher and they're willing to put up a fight but they have to push because they're inside a milieu. That is always about compromise. That is so distant from grassroots activism or being on our side class war that we have to push them. We have to organize and if necessary. We have to be willing to primary these democrats who were not walking the walk. They're just talking progressive enough being progressive. And even that includes such aggressive congresspeople. Who aren't really fighting. May lead presley in boston area. She's in congress because she fought him to incumbent who was not a corporate centrist. he was progressive. He does not putting up enough of a fight. Yeah yeah yeah exactly So yeah i think is. Is this sort of unlike anything. You've seen the democratic party before. Because i'm curious like If you see any way forward for like third parties or is this kind of the way to go because this is actually a new found energy that we haven't had before. I think this is unprecedented in the last few decades in terms of the amount of progressive energy funnelling into the democratic party many state levels and getting results in terms of genuine leftist into congress. I don't see any pathway for federal office for congress for president or for state legislatures for a third party and the proof is in the pudding or the lack of the putting. When you've got party designation on the ballot the failures have just been virtually complete. You can just ask yourself. How many green party candidates have been elected to congress ever since. The green party was founded a few decades event. The answer zero. How green party candidates have come close to being elected to congress in the last few decades. The answer is zero that tell us something and then we ask yourselves. How many genuine progressives have been elected when they run in democratic primers. And we've got a lot of numbers so lookout knock high enough. But they're getting higher and higher on the other hand when you have racist for mayor for city counsel for county commissions and so forth school boards. These are not party designated election right. There's a lot of successes and the the value of something like the green party is that they can organize build coalitions. I give you a quick example in richmond. California three leaders of the richmond progressive were just elected to the city council. They wanna pants able to elect the mayor fighting chevron which is terrible presence with the oil tank refinery Situation right on right enrichment. That was done with koreans with Democrats independents with others working coalition. They get territorial or worry about the party designation. their coalition was all about getting the job. Denning getting progressive have policies enacted by getting progressives elected in and holding their feet to the fire. So i think there is a space for the green party in nonpartisan races route municipal and county and so forth but the decision to run for president continually undermined That capacity it sucked energy. It's only needed people when they're standardly. I think green party's going down. Just the exception on running for congress and president. Yeah yeah that's that's how it looks. I mean you know. I the first election. I was sort of old enough to be aware of was two thousand and from there. It's just it's just gone downhill. They don't seem to get a lot of momentum yeah Oh so yeah. What do you think about Ranked choice voting. How might that affect things. I think maine has it and Alaska may have just passed it. I think it's really important. Routes action dot org. We've done a number of campaigns we if people in maine and elsewhere where the decision of whether to have ranked tryst voting is on the ballot as a referendum initiative. And so. I think that is very important of a problem with again. The green party approaches to act as though we have actress voting down and to the extent that it can be put into place in different states like as you say it is in maine that can change the dynamic and so then you got a different objective conditions to deal with so it's something to fight for her and we need to continue to do that. Yeah well i think I have to get going in a minute but if is there anything else say you want to put out there or just like plugged. The websites again will. I'd invite people to sign up for action alerts at route section dot org and it's all a process we also have something called. Diy route section where you can set up your own petition action and then we will help promote it if it has any sort of to it and often does so. Please come on down because this is all about organizing all right. That sounds great Well thank you so much for taking the time today. It was great to meet you. Oh same here. Joe looking forward yeah. Great yala you know in posted. Please please do list fantastic. Alright thanks you take care. And that was my talk with. Norman solomon can find him at norman. Solomon dot com. So l. o. M. o. n. Hit over two routes action dot org. And they'll help you join existing actions or starting promote your own and accuracy dot org for a database of useful sources. If you'd like to use them for your work or Read some news. You can be confident and you can follow me. on twitter. at joe underscore messina instagram. 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"Yeah this is due by the weekly challenge podcasts. This week's challenge watch chernobyl. Some point podcasters going to stop bitching about zoom. No that's not true. Because i think we bitched about skype till the bitter end but you get what you get and you get only vaguely upset high. Merlin how are you. Oh it's it's late in the day for both of us. I'm so fun so fucked up right now. Oh what happened. no i just. I honor this temporary new recording time. Which is oh. it's terrible. Just the worst. This is terrible. This is one of the probably the three worst times to podcast at night is bad for me. I really am. I'm very low energy. And that's when john. Syracuse accumulates a lot of his dark powers is at night. Yeah i mean. I get how he seems to have a healthy work life balance. And maybe that's why he's not exhausted by eight pm but it's very like that's when he gets girls to draw for him and you know he touches his books. He's a pretty princess so he gets to define a lot of the terms of things. You know Still on my apology tour. He made me star. Oh oh i just. I also want to go through lots of things. We have a lot to cover today and do some in band communication because what the fuck what are we doing. I don't even know what that means. Is that with in band communication I've been listening to a lot of david allen so i'm in band signaling signaling telecommunications in band signaling is the sending of control information just extending it you're making. It takes so much longer so. Chris banter channel. This isn't helping at all no. It's definitely not helping me is. That is that. I was just using drinking receptacle. That was very poorly washed and rinsed. Kept drinking my this year. My seltzer water drinking. All i kept going lips kind of waxy realize this because there's dish dish liquid it's like it's of like a margarita but instead of salt dishwasher liquid. That's something i would do so fucked up alex. I'm so fucked up. Because i was so nervous about the new starting time you could tell when i'm nervous because first of all i used too much hair product. No matter how hard i try if i'm very nervous i don't have any in today because you know not visible but that's when we tell another way you can tell it's i probably took too much. Add medicine today. Because i felt you had to be on my game but twelve twelve thirty. My time is a strange time to be doing this. It feels doesn't feel weird. It is very very weird and going. Oh late it used to be working. Let's work it out. I got a lot more to go through. All of my all of my nanna leafs fell off the wall. yes again. there's that okay. I don't understand how that's possible. Didn't think walzer wet. It's all i can figure. Is there some moisture in my walls if pardon my saying oh that makes sense. Yeah sweaty walls sweaty walls. Yes yes sweaty ball so he he walls and fell off and now i don't have my usual accommodating pleasant lighting in here and i turned on my My key lights. And now. I feel like i'm being interrogated and it had a lot of coffee. Add medicine trying to think if there's anything else what else happened today. Toilet paper went out. Oh my god you're a mess. Oh no able to manage it. I talk where there's nothing here. Oh wait there's there there's something but listen now. I don't know if i'm using probably here. I'm going to hear about it. from siracusa. on his textile on his popular show. You'll he lived long enough to become the squidward. So is that You know this is the kind of communication that's like outside the band but we're talking about the show on the show because you the challenge for this week is to watch the. Hbo watch episode one of the hbo series chernobyl and to listen to episode one of the accompanying podcasts. That was the on label challenge for the week. And then as. I think we discussed in a very good after show last week. We talked about David cho's ill-fated causes taste terrible perfume. Stop this too much base. Your ph was gonna get all messed up and you're gonna get houston affection or something. I don't know how that works. I've got an observation about acids bases Occurred either maybe basis or slippery and acids are sticky. Guess actually i think about this 'cause like if you're doing something with like coffee glickman cleaner i use on lots of things that's very. I think it's very basie. And when you stick your thumb and your finger and it feels very very slippery. I don't know if that's science feels like science Yeah well that's i. That's the thing is i. Don't enjoy vegetables. But there's a lot of you know bay. You see that they put in a square for you. Oh i'm so excited for this. i'm so i i okay. Okay okay. i've had a lot of. Add medicine. I saw something last night and it was the most wonderful feeling. 'cause above all in this entire fucking universe. I knew this is something i had to talk to you about but second i was delighted with not knowing how you would respond to it so save it for the show. I was talking about my leaves of talking about. Pooping you were talking about. Medication mission to podcasts. Oh yes so anyway and and and i was able to put my hands on the back of the truck and locate a copy of that Six nine or fifteen cd collection and you seem to So we talked about getting matchy organized or similar that led to. Let's listen to. David co heavily caffeinated sacks fast. That is getting things done fast touch taxes. Oh boy like if anybody had no one said anything bad. I think about our jazz breaks but aren't just brakes rule. We're talking about they do. I didn't know how bad they could be like my. Wow wow this is like good yeah. it's yeah it's it's way exactly what you would imagine. It sounds like now. Here's my question to you in band heights is. I hope you're doing well. You have a good day so far. Okay oh god okay. It was fine brain. School just went to bong. And that i do and now my my lettings also messed up. Because it's afternoon waiting. And not the morning lighting. So i'm like. Oh but i'm hearing merlin's voice even though two pm time mary strange. Yeah at all. We'll do it. But i'm drinking a monster energy drink which is less fun than add meds. Yours doesn't have dish dishwasher liquid on it. Here's my question to you. I think you've already covered this in the show notes. But you consider a teaser. Because i now you love money fat boob money money got that okay and some a question for you is. We'll talk about these things. We're gonna talk about the squares i imagined and so we will talk about the. Hbo show chernobyl here on the main episode. In in in my getting correctly the you and i without matchy will be discussing getting things. Done fast for our patriotic. After remember after shows i correct. Yes yes and. I thought that was the challenge for next week. I bet on me i was saying. I don't know how long it will take. And because there's there's thirty nine cds by the way. I'm stealing joke directly from john hodgman. John hodgman's joke on his wonderful audiobook. That you will listen to areas of my expertise. I stopped at the hone. It was very funny. But i fell asleep. Did you hear like when jonathan collins thinks is nice song. yeah it's delightful yes s. movies playing with large hands this. That's thing i love when audiobooks are basically a small A variety show or production. And it's it is very good bet. It's a lot more work a lot more work. You mean other than just talking into a microphone. I i would agree with like getting paul rudd in the studio while you talk about like whatever whether something is a harbinger or it's like cuts the best audiobook. It makes me totally horny for the logistics of it. Because mike gosh me too. How do you schedule something like that. Well anyway because of the hundred sixty cds in the getting things done fast collection that the david co company has had disappeared. I figured it'd take you a long time to get through that forgetting my own cil. I've had a lot of. Add medicine for getting my own. Cada cil that you only have to listen to the first part of thing you only have to read the first watch the first part but sounds to me like you dug in and you started listening to the jazzman. Oh yes. I totally understand i. This has been purged from the internet. Who save for the show. I can't wait. Oh it's so good though. I mean as breaks aside. I however matchy has been listening. You know what. I mean. When i was saying like hearing hearing him. Say it even with his jargon and putting things on your list remember to buy new briefcase and update the report and elder and all of his usual greatest hits also reminded me how much i have stolen from him. It's really objectionable how much i'm stolen from him. I interesting well. I think i did it differently. Yes absolutely but it's how on three separate occasions i've written the pretenders song back on the chain gang. That's not funny to anybody is it is but it's like a dna energy which is a pretty straightforward song. And i've written three separate times and got ha sounds familiar. There's that's a cliche music that no. You're not special merlin. Mad no no no. What you did is what a lot of smart people do george harrison. The judge said the george harrison look. I don't think you deliberate. This is my words not his he. I think he said to george harrison. He says. I don't think you deliberately lifted like every part pretty much of my sweet lord from he so fine but like you know it it was in your subconscious may be. You didn't realize that you were basically lifting the records and everything but then you know you expanded on it and made it your own and it was different in your own way. That helped us different kinds of people. Yeah what what awful fee. And that's why today people know inbox. Zero still doesn't work whatever. Please don't defend the on the internet seconds me. I didn't bend you. i just thought in seattle. i'm twitter. You can't afford my loyalty as a great friend. She's so funny. Split bloomberg article at five and so funny is alex is referring to something in wanna say bloomberg bloomberg well in in bloomberg but sit subscription to bloomberg's so. I couldn't tell what the story was about the. I've never not reached my article limit with bloomberg. I think reached it like five years ago and it's still reminding me yeah. It was just a series of tweets that bloomberg business put out. I'm visiting here with you. Because i've had a lot of. Add medicine. and i'll share this with you is i. I don't engage in lots of things and that's right in the sweet spot for stuff. I'm not going to engage with. Oh no mutemi right you know me you know. I'm a guy who likes to push bitch on a plane and loves to engage in the discussion as our chance. You with your suitcase and didn't realize it all the time where we got a bracket this because it took. I just think that i should get a parade for how difficult it was not to ask about. What what what is it called the plane situation. Whatever your pa yeah my incident my my my delta variant. Yes you're you're delta variant. Because i knew that this story had been told elsewhere. And i was good like if merlin wanted to talk about it almost sent. You almost sent you a copy that we recorded it. Because i thought you'd want to know it's well that but but i was like no. I know that if it's going to happen. I'm going to be patient. I wouldn't phone appraise you for not being that particular guy even though you certainly could within your rights but well. I think i texted you. The standard probably can't do anything no need to respond. Something sounds like it's sucks. And i did text you when i was listening to the episode and was stressful Oh yes the most recent episode Wreck gift everyone should listen to it because it has phenomenal storytelling and i said it was like an aide. Twenty four horror film where it was just like. Oh my god oh my god oh my god you just tell from the music. Something else who. What child is getting decapitated. But the ending was so much different. And so much more satisfying. Because you could tell it was guilty as charged. You can tell. Oh no no no. No no no no no no. I don't want to spoil it. i don't want to split. Let's talk about it next week because it did not end like an eight twenty four horror film and it just made me incredibly happy. Well antidote like a little ages. I think because god medal bitch. Just who time as i am. She's lots and so that's the show this is it. Thank you so much for tuning in this week. We talked about chernobyl. I'm looking at broccoli and spinach square. This looks good. That goes out. And i and i think what was the other thing then. A bow wasn't my pooping. It wasn't my tiles. It was something else but you know. Oh so. that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna talk about that. Yeah out of curiosity so so. Here's luckily like it's going to be worthless after. I imagine 'cause alex and i have we ever talked about talked about getting things done as a thing before other than last week. No i've listened. This has been what now four or six years coming. I have bided my time. I've been a very good little jazz girl. And i don't want top surgery. I just want to just a two critical patterns. There's always two things david allen. Need to figure out what what is what is what is desirable outcome. And what is the next action step. The zero outcome has got no boobs and the next step is get boots cut off. I mean i don't know what you're going rate was back in the day. But i'm wondering translate any anyway. No we have not talked about g. td translate cd's for you know the cost of you getting talk like a big fancy school and the cost of someone to chop off my tits. And i just find that very funny. Oh can we should offer it as a package. Maybe we buzzer. I enjoyed my evening in michigan except for my emotional break breakdown. But i like michigan a lot. That's where your family skip. The boobs cut off. Why don't we do that. Why don't we offer a two day seminar. I exactly oh livestream it. All between grefell. Yeah you you guys you do you a lot of yellow but here we are and alex head brain. School got new knife coming today. That i'm excited about. I'm very excited about the squares and And so this is also where we would say. 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Thank you very much. We start the show. Let's let's start the show squares. Good you this. I discovered on the twitter. Oh i think. I even put well. I didn't put the. I found it. But i went hunting. 'cause i immediately. Oh shit this. I mean i i went all. I did the thing that you do that. I rarely do you do this where i was like. I hit you through all the channels. And then i also put it out in public because i was so damn excited about it. Do you know what was funny. Blocked like all of the channels except twitter for notifications somehow in my do not disturb mode in focus mode. I i know it's a beta. I'm sorry but you're fifteen. Well i know But please describe these squares because they just make me so happy. Well okay so. I wanna credit because i gotta get better about this. I think you was my friend ryan home. I'm sorry anyway of mines was was was quick. Tweeting this thing and It i immediately realized this is free so the person who had shared this originally has acute twitter name. And i don't say cute twitter names four screen shots and the phrase. Nah they're fucking with us and doughnuts and what this is is reports to be a product called square eat s. q. u. a. r. square and then at square eat square. And so you. Well you're asking what is scary as you're on the internet. It's gourmet gourmet innovative. Fifty grams square that provides all the nutrients without any attitudes tasty healthy affordable and ready to eat and true to their word and this will also be notes. You can go and look at these on the website. It's literally a fifty gram square of something. They they put labels on here to say what this food purports to be. I mean you do you tell me what's your take on this. Would you agree that this looks like a fifty gram square food. It looks like a. I think it was actually my ryan or whoever who said this is it really looks like an air pods. Pro case form factor. I am. I mean i just tried just not to because you go to the square Square dot com again only one e but video without sound. So good on you guys. Yeah it was very strange also also. They made the invest now button really small. Every website needs an invest. Now but i think we should probably get those live own. A stake in square eat invented. A you know. I think you know. Pop-ups renews letters tire invest. Now in square food wired. Oh god this is so this is so bad. The oh my god we funder. You are right the video okay. So have we done justice yet to what this is this is a site under my. My take is here like i haven't looked at the deck yet. My take on this is okay. Listen what if you were of into the idea of soiling but you founded to joyful which is me. I am like the corner market but like what. If you weren't something we'll look actual soiling would have you wanted something that looks like you're actually like stranded on the dark star spaceship and all you have is boxes of squares to eat the dream and it says on the label what it is and you have no choice but to eat it because square is all there is for food and it's worth your time to visit the website and i think it's very much worth your time to click on secret square. Eat meal plans boxes squares. We will be doing this. I'm clicking on squares and man. my mouth is watering. I can't find a way to square trying. So i'm going to email them. I just oh my god. There's no way to do justice to it without doing with. No there's no way there's no way but what what i can tell you is like i mean. I don't wanna be unkind. I'm sure this is helping a lot of people. But it really does imagine and i air pods pro case like fair enough like if you took your except it's a square. It's it is grounded square it now little pill. It is a square. It's very important. They really want you to know square right but at the box the box you put your case you put your air pods the box. Oh oh oh here we go. I see i see now. Okay see i apologize. There's no way this product stoop brilliant. Brilliant oh so in. They're all fifty grams but again. It's really all about the visuals as with all food. That looks like an astronaut would not want to eat asparagus square chicken square chaka pancake square beef square. Sweet potato hazelnut broccoli and spinach square. Fresh and flavorful mixed green vegetables bus mighty rice square. Wow i mean. I am the target audience for this. I would love is why i can't wait to hear just a single square just of a vegetables in and just like put down my gully la- peanut butter. But why why are you fucking around sticking your fingers in a jar when you could just have peanut square exactly exactly. You don't need to ted laso at you. Just get right on the roy kent in slurp it us an square keeney square seabed under your name every kind of square pistachio especially on cashew cashew square. And then when you treat yourself to the website maybe you've looked at the investor deck. You really should turn on sound and and watch watch the video of of this guy who has a serious. We work energy to me. It's not even just we work. It's like is he trying to have mystique. I don't i don't know like he seems really enjoy it. He shows you how to unblocks it. Get bag and you take out the box and the box has your squares and you can just scan right across the qr code will tell you the details of your square. Because when i'm hungry. I like to use my phone to get information with chicken. Square is really upsetting to me. I mean well even comes with it comes with olive oil. Alex isn't this basically a chicken nugget. I if you really think about it yeah It is it's it's just square a highlight of going to any museum including or especially the aerospace museum that i love so much in washington. Dc as you get to eat some astronaut ice cream. which is i mean. That's a extreme misnomer in every way 'cause it's not cold it's not creamy. It's it's basically like a sponge that dissolves in your mouth and taste like a lifesaver rapper. But that's exciting. Because that's what astronauts kids like me. Drank tang because of the astronauts says serious astronaut five now just so you know you're not just gonna on box these and pop them in your mouth yum. No you take him out you microwave. I okay like thirty seconds. You microwave then you take them out of their pocket which is very easy to do. According to this man. I've learn his name and then we get panned heated up the comes some e l. O you drop that and just a little bit not too much and then you have brown it up and running it is late eldridge horror alex eldridge horror will remember when i was in the challenge. Oh gosh What is the show called made for love something. The crazy guy has flavor balls. And i i want that except you wanted flavor balls. That's right laura. I want the flavor. I just want the. I just want all balls no flavor. Alex cost anyway. I don't want to belabor this but now if we do find a way if you're able to contact this person maybe you could say blue investor mma finger under my nose like a mustache. I'd like to get square. Do you think what which ones do you think you'd wanna try buzz. Money rights might be the closest to no flavor okay. But here's the thing. I feel as if i would like the rice ones and maybe even the chicken one really but i think what what i need is the vegetable one. Like those disgusting slimy little things. I think oh we would just jam it down like a pill basically like a horse pill like d worm. That's literally how vegetables. Now i do it. Really quick try not to throw up and then there there we go yeah. It's terrible but if it's just a little square you know. I could swear that it looks like it. Maybe we'll do you like looking at these. I mean it's funny. 'cause we recorded reconcilable differences last night and in the To show that we talked about pasta shapes because giannis event about pasta shapes. I don't want big spoilers. But has he tried the other sports like has he tried the planet money one. He has thoughts. Oh i will give a lot of it. Just goes talking about how Tiff and especially. Marco are extremely wrong about everything surprise surprise but like you know like i happen to agree with marco. I thought i agree before we set straight by squidward was like a folly or whatever the bow ties like all. That's fine in a pasta salad. But i agree that. Like it. Cooks suddenness of cooks kind of unevenly. John says that's a feature not a bug and he takes exception with that. But here's the thing you know and the thing we i think agreed on is the kind of pasta choose obviously taste taste like what you like is a component but then also like what kind of sauce is it. Heavy is thin ause. Is there a lot of meat like that. Governs a lot of my pasta choosing. But but you know tax textures. A huge deal. I'm guessing for somebody like you. Who's deeply weird. The texture mahfoud is probably really important. Right oh yeah it is top of. It's the top of my mind every time. Gimme gimme just a what's a what's a good texture. What's not so good texture for food. Is i mean. It depends also on the flavor like with pasta. I enjoy. I know not called angel hair and blue. Yeah i'm sorry for triggering. The italian americans or discrimination a turtle actor or something spin his car out Does more your throw turtles. What does he do Turtle shells and i mean. But that's the things really efficient and inefficient. He could just throw little food square olive garden. You okay so do you like the breadsticks. I wish you do a gift. Coach a place for olive garden and that is just what i will say and i think they would get a lot more business if they were open for twenty four hours. Because i mean yeah. That's a really good point. What about what about a cheeseburger is that a is that a good texture for you. Oh no there's too many it's squishy on. It's got kind of a greasy thing in my ideas or something but like is there is. You're like okay so like peanut butter. The butter is texture. You like oh. God is perfect. Yeah y- crunchier smooth. Four twenty years only thought smooth but then. I found the right amount of crunchy which i think is. It's like an artisanal choice. I enjoy a medium ground crunchy but but with also whole peanuts so basically there are two separate grinding situations going on. Oh that makes sense. It's yeah i think so. It's it's it's not. It's not just like they ran it through once it's like they're blending the smooth nut butter crunch of the arsenal. I not yet the leggings. If you like yes yes oh and french. Fries are awesome for mcdonald's it is at a corporate mcdonalds at a busy time that we've talked about this and they just came out and they just came travel. Yes more leads me to like the more i look at this and i've looked at these quite a lot alex I'm just wondering i mean. Are they all similar in texture. And if i if so what is that texture like. Is it like biting into a bar soap. Well based on your experience. I don't hour or so of continuing to drink seltzer. You able to stomach. It like i believe is also but tell me. Tell me give me an example of like when you bite into. I'm telling you. I've tried square. Eat and biting into one is like biting into a what i think. A piece of tofu like. That's i've feeling firm. Extra firm not silken firm tofu. Yeah like really get you in your hand. I don't know i don't think so. I would like it to if their wobbly. No i may be one of the more alike. I i don't know less dense ones. Maybe the vegetable ones gigolo a little. But i have to imagine. They just really pack the vegan meat in their imagine getting invited. This guy's house for like an entourage marathon. And he's just got bowls in bowling bowls. Sweet potato square. The very upsetting thing too is i. Don't think he's in a commercial kitchen. He looks like i mean. It's a very nice kitchen. You think he makes his. I their hand poured there'd be spoke listed as connoisseurs of shark tank. How sh- stuff is prepared. Mostly time they're there to get a commercial and that's why i'm here. I need help getting re packer. I'm crying oh god i would. That's the thing you've got our it. Here's a very callous question. Do you think everybody goes on there with a. You have to cry story which is most shark tank. Yes in like you're prepared to cry and you have your crying moment but then if you don't get on the show they definitely don't you they just cut that crying moment. Oh i see well. I watched the show. I feel like this might be some input from from max. Because he's been adjacent to things like this and he's a good watcher of media. But i watched that show extremely cynically to me. It's like a. Cnbc is available in the hotel room. And there's a shark tank on. That's how i watch it these days. But i think the kovic seasons are interesting. Yeah yeah let's show with tim. It's just too much cova. No but i think. I think what happens is their types and i think sometimes their dealings and the dangling might actually get money but i think the producers tried to get a balance like you ever notice. You're not gonna get ford i usually. It's like four right three or four. You're not gonna get people who are all you know whatever brothers lobster or the sponge papa or whatever you're not gonna get all dinger's there's gotta be a dangling off often the first one is a dangling you get somebody like you know with all respect to to the doctor you know who sows denim. Skirts for ladies You know the sullivan generator. I think is usually and i don't know if they have a deliberate if they go into it knowing there's one person who's gonna lose their shit because they realize how unprepared they are and that's how they're they get the the dangling at it title. Yes oh yeah for sure but you could be the guy with the bottle cozy. Do you remember that. Got a weird guy who made all the noises and it's basically a sock. You put on a bottle. I there are a lot of bottle coverings like they're and they're all do. It's a condom for a beer one for you. Laurie here dulles dominatrix for you robert. And so. but i don't know how but i do think there's the slot roughly into types. Think about from the sullivan generator episode. If memory serves the one that i did make john syracuse watching always be proud blind right the lady the blonde lady with the cookies and she expanded to fast and florida and all of that stuff. I there's always going to be people that you kinda pull for. But then you you're supposed to realize that oh. These guys aren't ready for the sharks. They can instantly call up their numbers. Or oh you know the deadly one the like oh by the way i didn't mention i have a partner who owns a majority and i o seven million dollars and never goes. Oh don't do you want me to sir do spoilers for real life. I think i feel like i probably do. Yeah well most shows and especially reality shows you know they want to hit Do you know the four quadrants of like media creation. And when i say media creation i learned a long time ago. The phrase four quadrant movie and that was described to me as it appeals to the four major demographics if not equally at least in part that this is a movie for the could be for kids. It could be for all people. Is it close to that. Yeah it's I think it's men. Yeah there's there's it's divided into google. Oh i was right yes. So there's two axis agent gender so under twenty five. An over twenty five and then men versus women problematic. Shut up everybody. everyone shut up. No there's actually seventeen quadrants and well that's actually know what's funny is that it is they have like added quadrants and things and it's like very much that like whoa capitalism of okay. Do we like the extra gay men and then the like the only you're saying there's like oh you got to have otters. You got bears. Yeah you got you got donald duck's russ adamant says that's gay correct answer. Shouldn't cases like the entire spectrum of Gender and sexual presentation right. And but i have a sexual proclivity. But i have a genuine preference. It's always this. How initially on reality shows okay. Contested contestants are sorted so you will be like a maybe a quadrant. Heavy show like the christmas episode. All thank you for your service episode in years making millionaires. Yeah and that's like over. Twenty-five mail market designed a backpack for dads. Who don't want to look gay. Yup yup cool. that's great. you really need a komo diaper bag that in the penis and you'll be on your way and that's how i if you watch things like because most of the documentaries i worked on before graduated like it was fifty percent like reality bullshit fifty percent like actual cool narrative reality stuff but really sorry sorry for for commercial like actual production houses and stuff. Oh yeah but they rarely got through. The amount of things could be like a pilot or something like that. Oh yeah the amount of late here. I mean they're all it's that's the thing it's all basically the same. That's why something like fuck boy island yet. Irks me boy. F boy island survivor and to some degree. Top chef and talk shark tank are interesting. Yeah and top just to but top will. But here's the thing about the top dress. The do not care about that. Third quadrant like they gave up on the old matt. Harvey weinstein may to those squadrons watch. Yeah some some show. Are you twelve thirty years ago. Okay okay okay. So you're saying there's quadrants. I first of all i've written down. Alex worked on reality shows. And i've written a made a box around and then But you're telling me squadrons in terms of the folks who are on the shows you need a mix you can't have all just kinda gay. Yeah like well so the you say a general not themed shark tank show right like you've gotta have shirt like one of those dude bro products but you also need to have a product that is almost a sweet spot for different ages of women like the eyelash one. Oh were you could maybe see partly because maybe feel a little bit like an expert and go that would never work or whatever the well you just need to. It's almost like product. Testing really is how like you need to sell these contestants as characters and also i truly have no idea. There deal seemed to be real in some sense like scrub. Daddy is the big daddy out. There and ring was the thing that been really regrets. So i mean i don't know about there. I have a feeling most of this is done in post. And i especially in curious and i have not been able to find this like how many people are completely cut from the show and what sort of that deal is and i feel like there's a big old. Nda around it and they get rewarded for not being on the show selects. Like if you're if you're if you're if they couldn't so what you're saying here in with the edit we all know that there is this well i feel like i know that there is a structure story. They're trying to tell and at least according to that That scripted. Tv show about reality shows like you get a producer. Who's like your handler. And they have. Your party needs to fit in with the others. But like if they couldn't get to where you made sense in the edit and also i mean think about here's a dumb thing is there are shows where you could mix and match lots of different things but like i bet you when they shoot and if it's like a game shows they probably shoot a bunch out you know over a few days but they're all wearing the same clothes so you'd have to shoot to know that you're going to probably throw out a couple three or even half you'd have to shoot a lot of spots right. Does that make sense. Because you couldn't couldn't bring in something. Where like chris rock is here now instead of Damon socks exactly. Yeah feeling so butthurt about everything you so in game lesson to my offer. I think that's why you know they have those those really. Quick post interviews. I think those are done like those obviously are not done immediately afterwards. That like sometimes they look. You can tell to lake. They're either their makeup has just been touched up or it's like dripping down. It's really hot out there. It doesn't really very h- well it's another thing. I'm logistically hard for. Because i actually mattie and i are watching super store and it's driving him insane because that's how a brother like in like. Oh god this is taking me back to retail because things are so accurate a lot of time in the same way some doctors and lawyers either for good or bad reasons are just like nope got to opt out of cop shows an ambulance shows. Yeah yeah the plumber. Problem at syracuse. Calls it just just sit back and enjoy the fake code. Mike is watch. just watch. just watch the watch the halting and catching fire. Just calm everybody. Calm down the so. It's gotta be what they're putting out. There needs to be something and again. I made the joke about different kinds of games. But there are certain kinds of like i guess reality shows where like what really honestly speaking of white lotus thinking. Think about mike on survivor who. I loved on survivor. One of my favorite guests this holding up the glass of wine but like survivor would be a really good example of this right like you need. You're gonna need somebody who Who dislikes women and somebody who hates women and someone who confronts women and someone who underestimates women. You can't just have one kind of misogynist that'd be just misogynist island different kinds of are we are. We've titled fishing some prepped. And you do that. I do that i oh wait. Have we talked about purple. Kelly the purple at it. I feel like we must have. You have to do it again. Because that now. When i would watch when i was into survivor and i would watch that. The guy with the youtube channel with like the piece absurd the door. He would mentioned it a lot. Tell people what the purple at it is because it became a term that they use in subsequent seasons describe So there was. I don't really remember what. The i read an amazing breakdown and we'll try to find it. Is this the one maybe china. It wasn't it was Oh nick nicaragua so it's one of the this is like pre settle it like the auction was still a thing. This is within the first ten seasons. I believe and the runs up to about two thousand and two then i think so. Yeah there was this. Poor woman named kelly shen because and there were two. They were to kelly's so she she got purple. Kelly because you had some purple in her hair and she quit the game and this was producers and especially jeff who who is as we know. What i'm sure is much more than just frowned upon. I bet there's consequences to doing that. Yes in some cases What is perceived as a purple edit which means almost completely cut out of the show as much as possible. Just don't see them in the first three quarters of the episodes hardly at all or or in in her case literally not at all until she has just she says something out of context. That sounds really stupid. Or she'll like Like i i guess for that season and many past Both those that both survivors on that season and other cast members are like she was such. She was so nice but they got real met and the reason she quit. But you couldn't see it was. She'd literally had on a like a string bikini. And a little like sun a strapless sundress and this was like the hard core seasons where it was also about like quote surviving and less about just the game and A after this season they made sure that women always had the adequate gear. They gear for you know not freezing to death and there was this the guy who won actually like everyone was really confused at the time why he won. Because it's like well he was just kinda there and it's because purple. Kelly apparently was the one like doing the alliances and like she was a crucial part of the game. He was she was. She was playing well in a way like in the future the way that somebody would play maybe but she was doing well but then she just took off from balanced at some point so they had to make a season that makes sense given the available they had to find ways to make her look incompetent or something. Yes but it seems obviously this. Is you know fan to or like producer to cast member to fan telephone type thing. But i guess it was like this was one of the first Like i seasons that jeff got Produce and he was furious because all the also because it another woman quit and she was set up as the villain so like to two storylines completely out of the wind out the window and so they did or dirty screws things up. If that was if your if your plan yup all masters remember you told us like how many over like over four hundred people working on the show like given time. That's a low. That's just the people on the island. That's not including hosa or casting and yeah it's it is that is. That's an order of magnitude over what i would've guessed. Yeah i would've guessed twenty thirty forty people. No no no no. That's that's less than what would be at a challenge because you need challenge. They all stay. This is probably another benefit of always shooting it. In whatever fiji. No i yeah now. It's yeah they own an island. That's right Forty five is coming up. Ooh that number was spoiled for me. Wow anyway oh me. Oh i missed the hats. The did you see. He got booed about vaccine stuff. I did. I don't know why i'm letting this occupy my brain space but yeah like you wrote in the show notes here give vaccinated you hogs no comma. Oh yeah just fucking people get vaccinated. My god like i. Just if you're listening to this show. I cannot imagine a scenario in which you are not in a position to be vaccinated unless you have a rare medical condition which i understand frito. Yeah very good noise that is going to be ringtone that we will make available to patriots. Gosh oh anyway nobody make a jeff probst mad because then you'll get a purple at it However i guess she's doing great now and she's friends with cochran and all and she made someone else a millionaire. Because i guess she was never gonna win and you know i it's fascinating to me because w- that has happened since but never to that extent probably because like she basically the people describe it. Is that like yeah. She basically almost died but it was more so died from exposure. It was like she had like right. Class you yeah and she was always wearing people's clothes the only time you see her. It's almost confusing. Because she's wearing something else because it's so cold and it it's it's a really sad story honestly except it's almost like though that feeling of like with photos of people on wikipedia famously. You look nice today. Remarking honest delgates wikipedia photo. Which i think is still i should look it up. I wonder if it's the same terrible photo or like I just grabbed a copy of the difficult to find Because of kirks episode nine ended up wanting to rewatch gigantic a tale of two johns. And i should send you the photo that they have of john. Linnell 'cause with still getting you find that the best photo they could get in this case. This is probably the best we case kelly. She belonged and really cute her. Yes but describes like one fourth of survival. Sorry that's true but she did have a purple streak pair. And that's probably why people are like. I remember purple. Kelly the talked about her a bunch. You never see her like you found. This article is stuck. We'll put in show notes from something called chichi dot com and it is survivor or colin. What is a purple it. And how can fans spot it. And so just going down a little bit here when purple kelly and Naoka mixing quit the villain. It was late enough in the game that they both made the jury. Wow janka name is still remembered. Years later for her villainous antics purple. Kelly has become one of the. Most forgettable castaways reasons because in the eleven episodes of survivor that she was in purple kelly received. Just one confessional. The camera prior to her vote. She had no story arc and hardly made any moves in the game. It's really and What's his name john. Jock jar john. Ever whoever the winner was was like her best friend and he was just nice to everybody. And i think unfortunately dearly departed purple. Kelly made the show a lot better. Because it's the seasons where the The terrain is genuinely very dangerous. That aren't very good because it's much more fun to watch people think i'm thinking of this one that might be. I wanna say like even like the third very early season and you could tell they were still trying different things out and there's one where it's basically like what i remember boy scout camping like there's one with the gotta like Like it's not very well. Shod gotta like walk on logs and there's a lot of that kind of stuff sort of as you say it's before they seem to really fully even as as we saw early on with richard hatch. It seems like they still hadn't gotten what we tune in for is not always the eyeball eating. It's the you know figuring out who's gonna be. Which kind of character. And how they make deals and stuff and then one african say kind of a guy has no one african american lady. I really like kind of like a slightly heavy ish. She's been back for some all stars right. Sirri sirri must be surreal. Yes she's terrific. There's other ones you just love. Because they're a train wreck you go enjoy them for their disordered eating you know. Oh god what's your name sugar. No sugar no sugar sugar and the gal the burlesque. Gow who's the Never mind i'm not gonna talk about this but there's the one one lady who's very very slender upsetting. Well i mean they get very very slender very quickly or at least they used to and they figured out a way to i survivor. I think was the first pioneered the way for southern gays because it it hit the cuanto on them or not as they just sound that way. Now i mean okay. We're talking about you talking about nick. Nick no no. No not nick blazer man just take off the blazer what are you doing. Because the producers have more control of the close then one would hope so. It's like is it really because of course like if you're doing a confessional you want something to associate to how you want people to especially when there's a lot especially when it's not like we're all macs with a pdf of who are pixar is a lot to keep straight at first and as you say there's a lot of you know pretty people and there's always people like. Who's the skeleton looking guy. Tie tie i tyler tyrone therese. There's the one the skinny guy who's been back for all stars. There's some people who are instantly recognizable known. I mean like like christian. I wanna say people But you need a way to be able to identify people i guess. And that's also why they tend to get a bit further as well. I don't know if this is the case. In the most recent season but the producers will kind of like egg people onto just like every reality show. This is not unique to survivor. The ono someone coming in and give me because giving away reality tv secrets. Oh there was a loud siren young unfortunately because of the patriot act. I cannot give you details but you are going to. You're going to you're going to jail for a very very long time. You'll be served squares. I would empty surprised and we need to get to chernobyl. But i need to ask you. Yes speaking of likable characters wal boy. I need to ask you to close up this threat. Thank you everyone for for visiting with us. It's a very strange week. If you let's take it as read that this the squares really take off. Because they're just so as my family's yom's alicia everybody loves. Aw gotta cantaloupe square. I got a. I got a Obviously keen wa squares all things that kids love eventually get so popular that they will make you your own fifty grams squares. If you're gonna go into this guy. His name i still haven't learned you have the opportunity to get. Let's say three different kinds of bespoke. Alex only squares made and assuming that i'm assuming a lot here but assuming that the texture would what would you ask for what what are your special squares A peanut butter like a very kind of kito cookie. Peanut butter style. One one that it seems like they have just shoving sends the power bar. That's kind of a power bars It's definitely less. i'm. I'm coming at this with like all right. What what are these things that i can. Only what would you actually eat. Look forward to eating. I am that. I can only eat for the rest of time. I'm going to say the peanut butter. One nestor's packed with protein. A one of like a veggie square that has as much vegetables and all those bullshit by easy and then i mean i guess warning wondering like how could i get it with a spoon. Like a weirdo. No no i can't. I got i got us the gullet. Just too big spoon. Alex di ya airport case spoon to see for you. It's really more like medicine. It's a medicinal is a prophylactic just jamming your face. Close your eyes and think of england and down. Yeah yeah so. I think if they could make you should contact them and say look. I'm an investor. I think these look way too. Delicious grill marks off. This should be more like taking food based vitamin it should be extremely unpleasant and should be full of things that no one likes and i think that would be huge. It says one hundred percent natural ready to eat nutritionally balanced and hope dot. There's an ellipses and then there's a space between the abc's an incredibly tasty. I don't like that on the by did click on the invest. Yep in highly. it's that's number one. It goes to we funder we under we under way. Oh oh alex alex. Wait a minute how long it's been going because they're not doing rate now. They aren't Forty-five investors alex. You're gonna really need to put some wood behind the arrow of usa. They all have one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Which is chump change for this kind of thing forty five investors. Maybe you could lead around. Would you like to be angel. You're my angel. I i wish. I knew still what angel investing is cara. Swisher has yet to explain to me but wait if they have way hundred. What's one hundred fifty thousand divided but wait. How many people do they saw about. The math is right. That's about about three dollars each. You know that's the way. No that's three thousand each. Oh oh wait wait wait three thousand three hundred thirty three dollars and thirty three three three three three thousand three hundred thirty. That's not oh they're getting evaluation of six million dollars also not rate A yeah it'll lead investor on this as a fella named matteo. Send to send a tech. There's no way that this man is real. No no he looks like one of those. This person doesn't exist for us. He says i left in square it because of their ambition to revolutionize the ready to eat industry with a new concept of. Oh this is not good. Oh matteo i invested in scary because of their ambition to revolutionize the ready to eat industry with a new concept of food. The squares are innovative and profoundly differentiating. The business is a much much more scalable than traditional meal plans. Addressable market is large and in rapid expansion. This is the most oppressively. I i don't know mateo. Putting twenty grand. Their biggest investor has put in twenty thousand dollars. I'm just very upset. No no no. They're lead investor te. Wait oh yes yes twenty. Oh my god that's not. I mean i would want to run this by mr wonderful because you know you know he loves. He loves weddings and funerals weddings. And yeah things where people spend your rationally. And i think if me ma took a dirt nap and you put you put out a bunch of mealy pseudo plastic squares could sit shiva and just have a notch. This is this is so other investor perks. Oh my gosh we problems. Oh oh my gosh we did. There is a deck. Oh dear me wait. a minute. palm on returned is just one tap. We created a new concept of food are squares last up to three weeks of course with no additives and are tasty healthy and may with precisely measurable nutrients amount okay. I would've given this a second pass. It's one hundred percent natural and long lasting. Oh this is a great deck guy. Kawasaki would love this. I also just went to the we funder Landing page and who's begun on we fund right now. Is there anything we should be. You know maybe you. And i should have a fun is like i mean there's a let's you know what is called alex they find no below. Sure no-ball i all so this week's challenge was for us slash me Whatever for to watch the first episode of ternopil and listen to the first episode at the tournament. Podcast and i really love everything about this show. I'm so glad to hear it only got to the middle of the third episode though because you pretty foreign though. Well it's i guess start. I started realizing. Why am i so squeamish and like sure yes it's because it's a trag- tragedy and many many people died but like the part where someone wants to hug someone else in there like. Don't do that like you can't stand too close. I'm like this is to the one where you get to the one where the woman goes to the hospital in moscow. That was when i was like. Oh gosh assist too familiar comfort to. And he says i'm how far you got on the podcast. But in that episode he the single asked him about it. Like you know you didn't show you know the face of that guy and he was like. Yeah that was some actually really good notes. We got i think from. Hbo that was like look. You know you don't. They didn't even like do the make up. They didn't do anything but they were like. You know it's easy to go over and intellect exploitation and you don't want to just be grand kenyo kinda stuff right and i was very pleased especially in the First episode like it would have been very easy to do that with all of the chemical burns and but what a what a masterful job i. I feel like of You know. I think we might have talked about this but how one way to watch. My family loves guessing. What's going to happen next or ask. I started watching reminiscence. I think it's called. And i'd watched the first five minutes. And then my wife said. Hey you wanna watch this. It seems kinda interesting. It's wolverine and dandy newton and et cetera and and so the movie opens the credits roll and then it's a long. I like shot going over a city. That's like partly underwater. And because it's my family whom i love so much. My wife starts going los angeles. And i go. I said syncing. Obviously which is honey. You're watching the movie. The movie started. you'll do our house. I guess and i participate probably my fault. But there's point guessing making all my kid was to knows what how fast she can figure out the twist right but in this one You know but you watch something like again like hollick law and order and you're like oh like if somebody who was more famous fifteen years ago is in the first eight minutes they did right. But that's part of the fun of that show is the like feeling smarter than the show which is exactly what they want you to do. In this case when like for the firemen arrive and the guy finds the carbon fiber thing. And i slept there such a good sort of breadcrumb trail of like we us getting to go and imagine what things mean and then having fleshed out. It's a very smart show. I think. Well and i was going to ask you because you were alive when this happened and i was not so i am very far removed from or was very far removed from like the facts of all of this and i mean i guess most of the world was for a while. Based on the two and a half episodes. I've seen but i okay. I will admit. I think i said this on the bird site but i got through like the a good half hour being like wait did i were there a bunch of brits and running this plant too much total fraud because craig mazin said they didn't want to do boris in tasha. Yeah which i thought was really good. I i agree like russian accents. Get too funny fast. But i guess if there had just been actors with dif- fried. I don't know i it worked out eventually. It was fine. But i was like why does lane just have his normal accident. What's going on. It's funny because when craig as and said he mentioned in an hbo show from the ninety s. that not only remember very clearly. But i remember having exactly the same thought as he did which was a good show called citizen x. And it's about this guy named chicken. Tila who is i think purported to be possibly the like the the biggest greatest body count serial killer of all time and that show like Spoiler alert like like this one is kind of is about how the system will not allow the country. Any part of the country like it's failing at something and so the the kind of assists in acts. The theme is basically donald sutherland. Plays like the head guy. And as you mentioned max von sit hours in it and steven ray is really good in it But the idea is like there are no serial killers in the soviet union right. You know what. I'm saying like their their position. Is you know. Serial killer for us to find because that is a product of like corrupt decadent western society in soviet serial killers. And you can guess how that goes but the thing pregnant talks about that. I really do remember. And he says this in the podcast got get donald sutherland. Doing the boris and natasha. You've got steven ray. Who's very lately covering his irish accent. And then you've got maximum sit out. Who's max mondale and disorienting. The way that's all over the map it soon as they were like the famous people were all doing their regular quote regular accents. I was like okay. this is just. We're not we're understanding english because you know it's like a babel fish came into our years all right we're like the or you could do. The very clever thing they do is clever thing. They do in hunt for red october. You remember how they handle it in that when they first get on the russian saab everybody including i wanna say sean connery is speaking russian. And then there's this one scene in one of the cabins where what is the effect. I wanna say they do. They push in slowly and then pull out and suddenly everybody speaking english and it's kind of their like hint to you that hey act like they're still speaking. You're not watch this movie. It was in russian. I vaguely think one thing for this. The really good movie alec baldwin's great in. Oh the they were also very see. Like charitable i. It seems like they portrayed even like party members. Yes fairly well like in this. This is moved. Okay so i got to get this out. The podcast is almost as good as the show. It sounds insane to say that. But you've already heard me on four or five occasions. Interrupt you to say yeah. They talked about that on the podcast. That's one of the things craig. Mazin said was important to him. He wants to show the consequence of lies. Like it's there from i frame is like this is what happens now. Lies lies have this is a cost to lies. And but he also didn't want to make like we've really if he portrayed everybody up to and including gorbachev as being these like you know finger tent villains mister burns types. You would miss the point that like this is something everybody needs to watch out for including us. Yeah it like i. I don't know like just the ability to portray the structural issue without. I mean in some in some ways. It's more soapy and fill that american that's minus the propaganda. It's lake again. This here are all these failure. Points it what's not just one dude. If emily watson hadn't picked up the character she plays hadn't picked up in scandinavia somewhere. No we know. Sorry well she in ukraine. No she was wasn't where where she might have been ukraine. But like you know The the fall faller the fallout though like the radioactive stuff in the air like went really far and if it hadn't been for people picking that up outside of that area we certainly would not have known as quickly or in the same way. There's a secret they couldn't keep and it has just fucking wild to me. Have you gotten to the episode with the roof stuff yet Does it involve helicopters so you saw the moment the helicopters so So this is a spoiler. But i mean sorry. It's the spoiler but you know it's just telling you i'm not spoiling the show. I'm telling you the story from history. What they eventually arrive that you could see that. Like the radio the way they describe radiation as being like these little microscopic bullets that just out. That helicopter can't fly over this. You guys you guys. You're too close. Like the couldn't operate. Because of the radiation like an amazing way to show horror without gratuitous violence the you know this is the scale of it feels about exactly right but what what the get to. Is that eventually. What they're going to have to do is create what became called the sarcophagus. Which is we're just gonna have to like. Oh yeah. I didn't see that. But i know in cover over all of this. But there's this one of the most amazing episode in some ways is when they basically realized that we're going to have to go up on the roof and throw all this stuff back down into where the reactor was and then we're going to have to concrete over that. But it's and they discovered there's three different piles with three differing amounts of danger because it's the amount of radiation The amount of time. You're exposed the amount radiation the amount of time and was the third factor. There's three factors but basically he got stints. I think amount of well something like that. Yeah but they got like like. Oh i think eventually like hundreds of thousands of people working on this. It was nuts but one of the most amazing episode to me is like where they have to get up on the roof and your entire not daily. Does your lifetime dose of radiation will be ninety seconds on the roof of this building and so the most so have you met that general guy. He played chris finch on the office. That one guy. Are we talking about the one with like the birthmark on his head or the like lanes of no. That's gorbachev no. There's that one without having a meeting that we're lane lane and dr selvik are having a meeting with this uniform. You probably haven't gotten to it yet. But i encourage you to keep watching. But basically there these three piles named after the skies three nieces and nephews. And but you know you're you're gonna own so they have to bring in enough people to where you can get all these people into the rudimentary outfits. Train them each. Get him up onto this. Drive before you onto the roof. Once you're on the roof out that door you have ninety seconds to basically throw one thing into the pile and then make it back inside and then you're done. That's you cannot have any more radiation in your life because of that ninety second period and it's exactly as harrowing as you would imagine and there was a documentary about this that they reference. I've got a copy of it. That's just it's mind boggling did you. Were you aware of this when you were like. Yeah i guess. I'm letting asking is held nine. Eleven was so goddamn like well. I would say the challenger was a bigger deal in the states. this yeah i. I honestly don't remember at that point. I was probably already in college. I don't remember what month it happened. But if the challenger thing happened the year. I was not yet in college. I think that he mentioned that on the podcast. I yeah you know it was so close to it. That was the absolutely absolutely shattering event. It would have been shattering no matter what. But the fact that the first civilian who was a female schoolteacher and you know my my chemistry teacher from my high school was a semi finalist. She out there. The news crews were there at gulf comprehensive high school out on the football field or whatever watching the space shuttle launch In like she watched while that smoke went up with like there. But for the grace of god my god. She had the same haircut with the gym teacher and lived with her. Just for what it's worth. And she was great margaret peek past few years ago I really think this is a very good show. It's a very smart show and you're so fortunate if y'all haven't watched it yet there's nothing here that we're we're ruining like it's this is one of those it's all in how it's done and the amazing part on top of that is that the podcast series is like just want every episode to be three times as long because craig mazin really walks in single does a good job with them. I know he doesn't. He does a terrible job he needs to shut up. He's he's trying basically bo bird to make them like this. You're not here of chuckle you like. And he does the the like active listening thing of ah god it. he's i mean that's fine. Pointy leans over. Craig mazen's desk and says what do you do here.

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#86 Good for the Syracuse University Student Rebels

Verum Tota: The Whole Truth

06:52 min | 1 year ago

#86 Good for the Syracuse University Student Rebels

"You can't handle the truth that does not take nearly as much to be a rebel at College as it used to with a multiplicity of rules restricting college students activities at campuses Across America in the name that countering coronavirus a significant Act of rebellion can be to shake hands with a friend leave your nose and mouth uncovered or congregate in a group. In other words. Rebellion can be to take ordinary actions the verboten old normal administrators at Syracuse University in New York appear to be hopping mad that a group of largely freshman students on Wednesday evening during the students time on campus before fall semester class begin did something you would expect them to do join together in a group and socialize what has been normal and even encouraged is now forbidden this living life stuff cannot stand College administrators demand Last Night A large group of first-year students selfishly jeopardized the very thing that so many of you claim to want from Syracuse University that is a chance of a residential college experience. That is the phone number. Sentence of a Thursday letter to Syracuse students from Jay Michael Hainey a Syracuse University vice-chancellor The Forbidden action. These students took rights. Hainey is gathering in the quad. The quad is an outdoor place on campus where in school years past students regularly met and events were commonly held correction Haney The Gathering students were the ones trying to have a residential college experience. It is the University rules that seek to destroy that experience Chris Carlson explains in a syracuse.com article how the very ordinary action by students at the Syracuse University campus can run a foul of rules imposed by the name of countering coronavirus Carlson writes videos and photos posted to social media on Wednesday night show a large number of Syracuse students gathering on the school quad seemingly in violation of school policies made to limit the spread of coronavirus the videos and pictures were first reported by the school newspaper the daily orange, which estimated that more than one hundred students were gathered on the quad the students. Do not appear to be wearing masks or physical distancing which violates school policies put in place during the coronavirus pandemic the school stay safe pledge also asked students to limit Gatherings to 25 people. It's unclear how long the students gathered before dispersing because of this Gathering of students rights hanging in his letter students can be punished and even the campus can be shut down Haney rights in the final paragraph of his letter to students be better be adults. The fact of the matter is the students were acting fine and like adults. They sought to live their lives instead of being bound by anti-social rules imposed supposedly to protect them from a virus that for most college freshmen poses about zero risk of death and little risk of major illness in the old days say a year ago many college students would take bigger risks in Lee and do all right taking some risks and taking responsibility for any repercussions is part of moving into adulthood. It would be nice if Hainey and other administrators at colleges Across America would back off and let God Didn't have a chance at a college experience focused more on exploring freedom and less on being subjected to Relentless domination as long as administrators. Don't do that. Best wishes to the rebels. Hello, everyone that we want to thank you for listening to our podcast and remind you that while it is free. There are ads so that we can keep it free bringing you the whole truth costs money in the form of the time are people used to bring you all this information. All you have to do is subscribe and listen, then the advertisers will help support us. Our current sponsor is anchored. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to Life podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor a porg. Anchor. FM to get started today. If you support our work, please feel free to donate now back to the cast our thoughts. This is an excerpt from a Boston magazine article on this very subject that I think you will find enlightening. The definition of conservatism has never been more muddy, depending on who you ask it can range from White nationalists espousing hate to moderates such as Governor Charlie Baker home at many of New England's most prestigious colleges political conservatism has been reduced to stereotypes conflated with the alt-right and branded as being so wrongheaded that it's not even worth considering let alone hire professors who Embrace right-leaning ideas long known as bastions of progressive thought and home to the likes of Noam Chomsky and the late Howard Zinn. Our region schools have always been suspected of putting the liberal in liberal arts college until recently though. No one had Quantified just how far left higher-ed here had drifted last spring Samuel Abrams a professor of politics at Sarah Lawrence College in New York. Decided to run the numbers from the start. He certainly expected liberal professors to outnumber conservatives, but his data 25 years is worth of Statistics from the higher education Research Institute told a farmer startling tail in the South and throughout the Great Plains the ratio of liberal to conservative professors hovered around 3 to 1 on the liberal Left Coast. The ratio was 6 to 1 and then there was New England which looked like William F Buckley is worst nightmare standing at 20821 had astonished me says Abrams whose research revealed that conservative professors weren't just rare. They were being pushed to the edge of Extinction. This phenomenon has been quietly unfolding four years Abrams who describes himself as a Centrist and earned a doctorate from Harvard sees the decline as a canary in the higher education Coal Mine undercutting the map of college and diminishing the value of six-figure education's when the student and teacher activists of the 1960s marched across many of these same leafy campuses. They were often fighting for freedom of expression dead. After all, isn't that what being a social Progressive is all about today's movements on the other hand are widely aimed at preventing the established power structure from harming less privileged groups consequently strong activist have banded together. Sometimes alongside faculty in support of safe spaces protective speech and Trigger warnings. It is the best way the thinking goes to align with and support all identity group home to some people on the receiving end. However, Progressive rhetoric can sound shrill and an awful lot like suppression of speech and intolerant political correctness. The result many conservatives on New England's campuses are feeling more marginalized and alienated than ever before there. Um, Toda make sure you follow our new less censored Facebook page at varim Toyota to and follow us on Twitter at varim Toda.

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Frontlines with Joe and Joe- Protests, Politicians and COVID-19

CRUSADE Channel Previews

07:59 min | 1 year ago

Frontlines with Joe and Joe- Protests, Politicians and COVID-19

"This life is not going to be an easy one. If you follow the truth, the Road to heaven is narrow I mean, but that's a choice. We make but the media clearly they continue to lie to us that they're lying to us now and I'm GonNa. Give me a couple examples. You Got Matthew at glaze on of Vox. He basically tried to compare these riders to the Pro Democracy protesters of Hong Kong when she's utterly in absolutely ridiculous. Then we have some. Probably he was making all the sense in the work. He probably thought he was making all pro fads statement of when it when he said that Mr Mr De glaze. But then we got somebody in Columbia. South, Carolina Man's trying to protect his business. He's attacked and beaten senseless by angry mob, because he dares to call the police, and then you have Maggie. have been of the new. York Times basically her big takeaway when trump. tweets a video clip of this attack that he called the man, White. That's the tape, not the guy getting the crap out of her defending his store Oh. He was why I mean like this is what I'm talking about. What's the vote? And then we used an example earlier in the show. You have the gentleman who was murdered in St Lois, the captain, and then you have the the the kid young kids black kid who kills them. They don't cover it knows no outraged goes against narrative. That's the whole thing. Young black kids when something years old Bellen. He shoots a seventy seven year old retired COP. WHO's protecting the store? Shoot some debt and then budget on facebook. How's that for? How's that for the media, so they want? Is this like you said the truth. Is this about you know journal? Journalism is dead. Yeah, I'll be honest with you. It's just simply get. In my like you know years ago, I used to think about the New York Times and I'd say an opportunity would be if I have a lot of money I I, said that if you bought the New, York, times because clearly, it's advised periodical, and you put out, say a periodical. I used to think this and I'd say you put out a periodical. That was neutral. That just gave fax I actually that that would sale as my life has. Has Gone on and has at as I've seen things I actually come to the collusion. It would not sell you why because people want to be basically empowered in their own was people do not? They're not interested in the truth. Sadly most people they want to be. That's why all these pundits shows like Rachel maddow. Run, or you have Hannity Year People Watch this stuff because they want to say yes, right? Yes, they want to base people watch. jone-jones say yes I. But look what we do to be honest with you. I think a lot of this stuff and I'm not just saying it because it's us because Mike does it. Sodas rigged Aaron. It makes sometimes people uncomfortable. There are things that they say that. Make me uncomfortable. I'M NOT GONNA lie a human being, and I'm flawed and I'm not perfect, but the point of the matter is people are not interested. In the truth Christ said he was the troop. Christ the things that he taught us as people you know, listen, you're not paying attention. If you don't go to church every once in a while here Gospel and say Ouch I'm not doing it or out dry. I'm falling little short there. would. Sadly, that's now an ice to think that I'd say well, if somebody who someone really rich the New York Times and they put out something. That's really true and really accurate and just listed the best. I don't think people would actually buy. DOES THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED NEW YORK? Times used to be a paper where okay there stood there. Reporting actual string reporting has always been biased towards the lab, even though in the past in our lifetimes that it was much more fair. Certainly, that is in the in the outlets the Bush Obama Trump Erica's. They really went off the deep end. Really when George Bush got elected. Okay now. Now point being his, but they had on their editorial pages where you could say give your opinion as an editorial board. They add William Safire. They run an article by William. F Buckley once in a while. Okay, you had Sir George will you had conservative voices on there? Okay back in the day. Now it's completely you can have a paper where you have talented writers write stories, talented reporters who report the news news back. This is the story is what happened. People get it. They get news and they get the editorial age. Will you have a variety of opinions that might sell, but I'm agree I agree with you. Nowadays see the only person I can say right now that I watched not to be confirmed in what I believe because I actually believe analysis. He's one of the believe. These analysis is spot on, not because I agree with him. Okay, but because I just think that that the case is Tucker Carlson he's a guy, has an agenda doesn't have an axe to grind. He looks at it the way we do at a lot of other people. People he looks at it and says love. This is what I think and I'm not devoid of common sense I have common sense, and this is a common sense response to this nonsense that we're dealing. That's why he's not very well like either, but because he's just a straight shooter, but journalism is is a consequence of the culture. It's a fruit. It's a bad fruit of the culture. People are affirmed through the current news media in. In their sin there affirmed in abortion in same sex marriage. Then you will sexual liberation genuine, also even in in in unbridled capitalism in materialism in commercialism, and if you challenge those people, and that's why to be honest. I'm very proud to be on the station. I'm very proud to listen um to contribute, but also to be honest with you. I get a lot out of listening to people like Rick Barrett like my church like Aaron Barker. Barker because they challenge you, you see that's how you grow as people. You don't WanNa be affirmed in your sin. If you're comfortable Lisa. Joe You have to remember I. Agree With You. I know exactly what you're saying if you are blind. Many of these people are looking to say they're evil. Many are blind, and you're comfortable with where you are. You don't WanNa rock the boat? You simply want to confirmed in your comfortability so. If I have a sixteen year old daughter I'm GonNa put her on birth control and she gets pregnant I let her have an abortion my son, my children. They tell me they were in quotes. Air quotes. They tell me that I can't restrict my child, so my son comes home gay. That's fine I. Know that I've been a good parent because I let them be free I let them be me and. And all that kind of nonsense diverse time somebody comes along and rock stat both those people don't know what to do their dark, not not that they're dark, slash evil. They're living in darkness now. They either willfully blind, or they're woefully blind, but sometimes like you said then you've got to put the pedal down on those people. Then you gotta say no. You have to think about these physicians. You Jay, but that's nothing. I had to you. I had a look in the mirror and say well. You know what you're. You're limited terrible life. Well. That's what the Church's job dialogue. Base. That's what a father's job is. That's a mother's job is. Is To do that. Frankly, that's the media's job is to do. It's not to affirm to be honest with you. It's the pursue the truth, the truth and again the true costs, and sadly people aren't willing to pay the price. I don't do imperfectly I'm not GonNa say I do listen I am a flawed man I am a sinner. I try my best. Though I do my best, I hopefully will get better. At it How acknowledged the need? Deers Joe you have just acknowledged whether the big problem. Some people don't feel. Were knowledge need to get better?

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Episode #2062 The New Phil Hendrie Show

The World of Phil Hendrie

50:05 min | 4 months ago

Episode #2062 The New Phil Hendrie Show

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Us only grab a thirty day free trial of live by plus and you'll get unlimited skips commercial free music and all of the podcasts and live streaming events you can handle visit live x live dot com slash. Podcast one so learn more and start your free trial. Hi it's phil. Hendrie for the world famous phil henry show. I'm adjusted the microphone. Because i have noticed and i may still do that. Even though i have a brand new mic screen here on my beautiful electrolux microphone. Occasionally we do. Get the p pop. Sounds very distracting. I know margaret and we're working on. Okay all right field. You brought it up so i have adjusted the microphone to speak across it and i have a more of a dip in the mike boom yet. Nobody understands it. So yeah. I got it bud so anyway. Welcome to the promo for the show. It just If it induces you get subscription to the world famous phil hendrie. Show understand that. I'm always endeavoring to position the microphone. 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Yeah guys. welcome to today's show from the world. Famous film show headquarters here in the pacific every now and again. We do a show where we lift the curtain and nobody. I didn't say lift our leg or lift the skirt. Crow the hell up. I said where we lift the curtain on how we do things around here. Now during the pre show i was Regaling those of you. Who join me during the pre show for those who do not join me during the pre show first of all we do have a pre show and it's one more reasonable you want to get a subscription if you don't yet have one of the world famous villain show because you can listen to me going through all kinds of angst all kinds of hell you know going through the preparation for doing a show. Show prepping prep showing and you know like that. And i'm taking a sip here out of a mug of ginger beer and maybe just maybe there's tequila arrives telling the truth since we're doing a behind the curtain show. It's very traumatic for me. So i must On occasion on occasion have an adult beverage to make everything fully other properly. And i'm at that point in my career where i have worked very very hard. I've amassed an enormous amount of wealth right. And so i you know occasionally we'll give myself a break but here's what. I'm trying to say what we will do today on. The show is as i say. Lift the a little bit and show you the behind the scenes on how this here thing falls together also During the pre show was talking about dieting. So i think. I'll throw in my diet there so it's kind of two for one for one. Listen to how does the show. And oh yeah how. He stopped being a fantas- general. That's what it is general. Thanks a lot man. All right know you can't take yourself too seriously filling these these times that we lived through. Yeah make it through these times. Hey everybody just back-off tell you what everybody clear out. What what are you talking about. Just everyone get out. I want to so this is very wrong. Get out everyone. You'll hear from my attorney. He's getting i know. Go on what are you doing behind outta here. I just threw out a whole bunch of people That i'm going to now man. So how is it that the world famous. I was actually gonna mention my diet and how i how i have lost thirty pounds here over the last Whenever it's been for four months four and a half months now for those of you who've been with the i won't spend too much time on that for those of you who have been with me since the beginning on the world famous film show you know that in two thousand twelve. I lost some eighty pounds. I had gotten as high as three hundred and six pounds. Get alone that i mean. That's about as bad as it gets. I was three hundred and six pounds. In the spring was right in the in the fall of twenty eleven unreal in the fall of twenty seven. Three hundred and six pounds. It's i'm telling you it's a wonder anybody wanted to anywhere near me. Man for fear they'd lose whatever was on their plate. I just start stealing people's food one of the things with me as i. And maybe you're the same way i nervous eat. That's why i eat because of anxiety and a lot of people eat just because they like to eat. I get that but i don't think that most people who have a weight problem are are overeating. Because oh wow. I just love the taste of food you just. Don't you get full after awhile man but there is such a thing as eating. Because you're you're you're not dealing with life very well and that was me now. I'd give it up cigarettes in two thousand nine. I got swine. Flu and i got double pneumonia christmas. Two thousand nine and as a result. I knew i had to quit smoking. I was up to three packs a day i. I don't know how. I know this. But i know that i was smoking. Three packs a day by the time i gave up cigarettes and i only gave up cigarettes because i went to bed christmas day. Two thousand nine. I think it was christmas day. And i would cough and it felt like somebody was jabbing me with about a thousand needles. All over my body. I never felt anything like that. I knew i had the flu. And i pretty much was sure i had swine flu because that year it was going around. It wasn't like covid. No one was saying that this was a fatal illness. No one was taken. The precautions against Swine flu that they were taking against cove it because there just weren't gurneys in the streets with bodies that they couldn't find space in a morgue for it just wasn't like that there were people that were getting sick and i'm sure there are people that were dying but by that point my life i was a fifty eight year. Old man fifty eight. Yeah just turned fifty eight fifty seven giving so it wasn't exactly a spring chicken but i wasn't really sweating. Communicable disease the way we all do now. So as an example. I'm pretty sure. I know where i got swine flu. I got it probably off of shopping. Cart handles at one of the grocery stores that i used my at that time. Because i was doing a live radio show got swine flu young twenties. He got swept through. He was sick as a dog but he. I think he showed up every night for work. Which of course. I'm glad he did if he hadn't i would have demanded it and then fired him. I'm joking around. So i i was very mindful of the fact that i could get it and in those days before covert is the thing that i think covert for. We didn't know how to stop getting anything we thought. Well let's make sure that we wipe down. I think people were talking about. Wipe down the handles on shopping carts. Nobody was talking about wearing a mask. You realize man if we were wearing masks back during swine flu jack. We wouldn't have gotten that shit. I know i wouldn't have. Nobody was talking about that at all. There was no mask wearing so by christmas. Two thousand nine. I got swine flu. And i was sick bastard. I wasn't sure. I had it. But i always really sick and i took off work the following week. I let everybody know coming into work. Man you got to cover me. And in fact i take that back. That was my vacation week. I always took between christmas and new year's off so i did not have to call in. They were doing best of shows for me and it was all good. What happened during that week though as i. I got sicker and sicker and My doctor a great doctor go by the doctor robert. All a vietnam veteran navy doctor who has a doctor danang trading vietnamese civilians back in his in his his nascent. Youth was now my doctor and by the time i got into see him. I was almost passing out walking upstairs. And i couldn't. I couldn't walk up stairs without feeling like i was going to black blackout or just sit down and rest. I mean i got. I got a two story house at fifteen flights fifteen flights fifteen stairs between the ground floor and the second the second floor where i basically live because the ground floor. My house is a whole other thing. I want to get into it. But and i would. I couldn't know. I couldn't make it up those stairs so by thursday of that week. I knew it was pretty damn sick. And and i know what happened to me. In retrospect my older brother darah when he was a young man when he was had a cold or had a chest congestion. I used to watch them. Take big water. Vicks vicks vapor. Rub you know that ship. And he'd throw it in boiling water and he breathed those fumes. He'd breathed that vix boiling up in the steam and it seemed to give him some relief in the chest with the congested chest. And i remember. I did a two from time to time right by this point in my life though i wasn't like twenty or thirty or even a teenager now like i said i was fifty seven and i'm breathing basically into my lungs water with some vicks mixed it. I'm breathing in water. And the next thing you know jack i got pneumonia. I got doubled ammonia. Did i know this. No not at the time on that thursday. I went to the doctor. He said you're sick. Dude your sick and he treated me a variety of ways. The doctors good doctors will fact in the hospital. When i went in the doctors. There said you got some first class treatment. You know you really got good treatment from your doctor before. He came in here because they reviewed everything that had been done and they said he did everything he could possibly do for you man. You're here and what happened. Was dr all sesame. You gotta get into hospital jack. But there are a few things that happened between the time i was in there on thursday time. I checked myself. I didn't check myself in my good friend. Susie was there and she checked into the hospital on that to saturday. The first day of september. Excuse me of january. Two thousand ten. And i got checked into the damn hospital and there. I was with double pneumonia swine. Flu and the even brought in a Doctor who was conversing with him he might have been eddie meteorologist or whatever you call it. A who specializes in infectious disease. Dr smith and he said to me you may have valley fever which is a disease airborne from the san joaquin valley here in california. They took tests to see my shit. So bottom line was a sick motherfucker. Skews my french. I got out of the hospital. I spent a week in the hospital from january first through the seventh or eighth something like that and then i went home with an oxygen machine. I mean jack. I'd never been a second my life in my life oxygen but i will say this as soon as i got home. That monday was on the air. I literally brought an oxygen. And i brought an oxygen machine with me to the studio and i had the oxygen tube running from that thing to my nose not an oxygen tank. They actually have machines now that convert the air to oxygen. That's what i had. That's what they sent me home with. And i got on the air and i to be honest with you. I had some of the best shows i've ever had. I don't know what it is about me man. But sometimes what i'm in crisis when i've just had a horrible thing happened when something's happened it's really upset me. I wind up having really good show. So i don't know but the show i'm doing right now. Nothing really happened to upset me. So maybe this. But i like i said this is something we do. Occasionally i went home. And i got better but i also because i quit smoking. Cigarettes was putting on the weight so between january of two thousand ten. And when i eventually Excuse me when. I eventually started my diet. It would have been two years later to fucking years. Skews my french again. Two years i was packing the fat on. And here's the thing. I was walking. I was doing as much exercise as i could. Because i was so dumb i had not yet put together. The eating factor and weight gain. I thought well if you just were continuously you know manipulating your metabolism when you're continuously exercising and burning calories that it wouldn't matter how much you put in your body now. I know that sounds crazy. But i didn't know i was pretty dumb when it came to the whole idea of you know the whole idea of weight gain and in the like so for two years i was eating and i was walking. I was probably walking. Because i couldn't run and i'm telling you man i was over three hundred pounds. I don't know at what point i was over. Three hundred pounds. I think it was the fall of twenty eleven. By the time. I started my diet in april of twenty twelve. I was two hundred eighty nine pounds. So i dropped about sixteen seventeen pounds but that was just from continuous hitting the street and walking two miles around my block around my neighborhood. I'd walk down to the jetty at the end of the beach and come back. And i wasn't doing on the sand on the on the pavement and still i was just too heavy and until i went back and i saw dr all again because i had another goddamn cold. And he's looking at san well. I'm glad you're healthy. Phil but you look like shit. I said thank you very much for that. He said you welcome and he said well he'll look at. I got diabetics. Here's the diet that i put them on. You're not diabetic. And you don't need fifteen hundred. He says you could use this diet though. But for some reason in my mind stuck the figure two thousand calories fifteen hundred day for diabetics. I thought two thousand. I think maybe even doctoral suggested that iwata said two thousand. And that's what stuck in my mind and to get to two thousand calories a day. What did i do i did. What any dumb ass like me would do all said here's a diet. And there was suggestions of foodstuffs i wasn't. I'm not a very patient guy. And i i just do shit my own way. I don't know how to do it. I'll just count calories. Until i get to two thousand and i began that next day going into the supermarket and looking at the calorie content on cans of soup on pepperoni shit that i like to eat. Minestrone suit soup pepperoni. i'd look up. How much red meat. I would look up. You know calorie content and apples. What's the calorie content of lettuce. Jack i i counted everything and i knew i was on the right track. Went out the end of that. First week lost five pounds man. That was a lot five. Damn pounds said henry. You're onto something. Now here's the thing you start losing a lot of weight in the first month and then it begins to taper off a little bit and then you hit a plateau. So this is what i went through during that i eighty pound loss twenty twelve. I lost about five pounds to four pounds a week then it slowed down to about three pounds a week then to then around january keep in mind i started this april two thousand twelve around january i began to plateau and i was stuck at two fifty three to fifty two. Now keep in mind to fifty three. I was ecstatic. I hadn't been that way that few pounds in years. But i was a to fifty three. I felt like this is fantastic. So but i couldn't budge offer that and i did some reading and i talked to people. You gotta shake up the metabolism jack. I said well how do you do that. They either start eating because the body may think there's a famine going on and it's holding on to calories and that's what happens to us your body if you if you're losing weight rapidly is going to start saying whoa whoa. Whoa whoa wait a minute. What's what all this weight loss. There must not be a lot of food out there. We need to hang onto our energy so your body will. Your metabolism were literally kind of go on strike. And you'll find yourself stuck so you have to shake it up. What do you do in my case. I started exercising again. I hadn't done any of that. Since i'd give up on it and started on the calorie counting. But i realized now i had to kind of combine the two so that's when i began hitting the beach and i would walk the beach walking the beaches. A bitch walking on pavement. I can do walking up hills. I can do when i'm with jackie. In florida. we go over to a place called vista view park. It's got invested you park by. The way is a garbage dump. They planted grass on. And it looks really bitching and people play. You know baseball. And they run up and down the hills and they fly airplanes. But you know frankly it's garbage dump that they've you know put grass on and there's all kinds of pipes and your when you realize it's probably pipes to somehow release their take off the methane gas that's being created or whatever is being created by the garbage that You know they have now planted grass on top of whatever. It's fine but we walked those hills. I would rather named pretty steep hills. I mean i don't know about a couple of stories you know you're going up a slanted hill general height of oh to three stories on a building and and walking up and down these hills. I like doing it. I prefer doing a run a fuck. I run a fucking hill. Excuse my language again. I will run a damn hill. Man i mean. I will run up a hill. I would rather do that. I'd rather do any of that than walk on a gd beach. I can't take it. i can't stand it and yet. I forced myself to do at that year. The sand you know this consisted some of the sense firmer than some of the sands really slow and then you're constantly shifting around to find a the hardest. You can walk on cnn sinking into three feet of sand and you know. Walk too close to the shoreline. You get your walking through water. It's a bitch. When i lost all wait. I got to the point where i actually started running the beach and i actually would uh in the summer. Take that ocean. And i'm not you know i haven't really body surfed in years but that particular summer of twenty in periodically throughout the the last few summers in will be hot. And i'm running. And i look at that damn ocean though i'm going man i'd pull my shirt off. Go in and dive in and start swimming which is probably the greatest exercise you can do. Swimming's the greatest damn thing you can do. Man every muscle in your body gets worked out its cardiovascular. It's everything it'll kick your ass. So i did that. But halloween of twenty twelve. I'd lost eighty pounds. I was a two hundred and ten pounds from two eighty nine at one point three zero six. I was at two ten. Why begin to put the weight back on is a story for another show another time another place in other. You know all kinds of reasons but I made it so from that hard ass beginning now. I cut to february of this year. I've been with jackie for well. Good i mean. I met her in february. We i mean. We started talking and hanging out in february last year so by february. Twenty twenty one. We've been hanging out. We've been partying. We're flying back and forth. We're wearing masks. We're surviving in this pandemic and we're actually not only surviving but we've got this relationship and we're eating and we're drinking and we're having a ball but i lose any weight and i took a look at some of the videos that i was sent back from florida in those days and i was a fat tub shit as usual. The hell is this. I i can't enjoy my life. I don't look a mirror and look in a fat tub gut staring back at me and look like the guy that i used to know. The guy that i used to know was a guy that was you know could play basketball every now and again it's can't that Like a normal human being. You want to fit into your clothes. You know what i'm saying. So in february. I began yet again losing weight. Only this time. I did smarter. I did some reading. I knew people did weight. Watchers weightwatchers doesn't assign points to vegetables. I started looking at you know. And what are the great thing that happened to me. In september of twenty twenty. I had a physical. I began to have a series of full physicals. Because you know when somebody enters. Your life is important to you as jackie bales estimate. I want to check my health outmanned. Because i don't want to be dead. You know. I want to stay alive. So i can enjoy my life. You know with this this beautiful woman. I know so I went and it probably jackie's behest and a few others. Dr emery told me. Get your blood pressure check. My blood pressure was fucked up. Pardon my french. My weight everything. It was then that. I discovered the services of this beautiful woman in florida. The dash diet. Because all i knew is dr instead of your. Your blood. pressure's up you gotta get it down. I kind of medicine for that shit. Dr emmy was pissed off at me. You know you gotta get that blood pressure so we check up the dash diet which is a diet developed by the mayo clinic in minnesota. A low non sodium diet and it was. It's actually a phenomenal diet. I recommend it for anybody man you. If you don't have to lose weight you'll actually find it. I think you like it. Because we're a non salt diet basically and you're eating foods that are delicious and dash by the way you know what mrs dash. Most you guys know what that is. It's salt free seasoning. Either buy that stuff by the ton all kinds of different seasonings that are not that have no sultan them so on this dash diet. You need sodium free things like. Did you know dark chocolate. And i'm not talking about that semi sweet. I mean good sweet. Dark chocolate is sodium free salmon. low two zero sodium. All kinds of foods vegetables are sodium. Free fresh vegetables fruits this kind of thing but if you're on a diet so then you gotta be a on the d you get be assault free diet and watch your damn calories now. You're really challenging yourself. So you have to at some point. Say well i gotta eat something man because i gotta be sold free And i also have to be low locale. So that's when i began to just eat as many vegetables as i wanted to fruit and i said I will not count the any calories and vegetables. It's ridiculous and what i will do. Though is i will stay free of the salt and Eat all of these other healthy foods. And that's what i did. And that's what i've been doing from february forward. I've been watching my weight and eating. They realized that this show is supposed to be about characters. And i'm talking about loss from february two. Today i began a diet. That is a low calorie and salt. Free but i allow myself vegetables and fruits. So i i'm spending all this time talking about this because i've had people ask me questions about it down through the low these many years. And if you're like me who has to watch that whole salt thing and hypertension thing. The dash diet go to web. Md manual. find the dash diet. That's where you should begin. But then you also want to watch your calories so definitely allow yourself vegetables so fruit. Do not eat anything with salt. Fuck that and here's the thing. And i kind of went off on this on twitter not too long ago. You know you know whether somebody's a good cook or not if they can keep salt out of the recipe and it's still. It's still something you can get down your throat. You can tell me all you want about. How great this chef is not if those guys need to use salt in what they're cooking. I bet you take the salt out of their recipes and you can barely gagged that shutdown i am. I'm serious. I'm dead serious. I wouldn't give you a pinch shit for for any chef so-called who has to have salt in his recipe because that means what he's cooking up tastes like something that dropped out of a cow's ass and without the salt you know he's chef is nothing so i mean. I'm exaggerating a little bit but seriously. I don't think you should call anybody a good chef if he has to use salt. I mean it. Would you say the same thing about sugar sugarhill. No i wouldn't. I wouldn't say the same thing about no if you're if you make desserts. There's certain foods needs sugar. There's no food that needs salt. None none none none none. And u n no food needs none hanging around just kidding. No food needs salt. Necessarily there's all kinds of substitutes for salt. And i would recommend this. Do not buy salt. If you like garlic garlic powder get fresh garlic. If you like onion slavery get onion powder onion salt get whatever the powder is. Don't get the salt man by the mrs dash and dig at manual. You know if you got any kind of a blood pressure situation which you know a lot of you guys. Listen to me. Probably don't have to deal with that shit had to so that's what i do now and right now at two twenty six so in the last as i say four and a half months i've dropped thirty pounds not as fast as the old diet but you know what in two months. I'll be down to two ten because to twenty six sixteen pounds. I can do that man. It's eight pounds a month. I can do that so by the end of the summer. I'll be a to ten about where i was when i did my very first time. All right having said all that bullshit. What i was going to do is i was going to talk to you about the different characters that we do on the show where they were born how they evolved where they are today. How a character is developed. How you find that character how you perform the character. And i don't know if there's any aspiring voice actors or even actor actors. I'll give a fairly good rundown on how you do how you create a character. I mean there's a big difference between doing a voice and using your entire body and put it in front of a camera but the character development is pretty similar. You do develop a history of biography. And you'll find if you do an acting class. they'll say. Write a biography of your character. The character playing well the way i do my work. You can't help but write a biography and you're ready to biography as you perform the character. So let me start with a character that a lot of you know some of you really love and i don't know why it makes you pretty sick and my book. I'm kidding herb sewell. First of all the voice herb sewell talks like this. And you know it's it's quite it's gonna abuse it you you settle. You're familiar with her. Talks first of all give you the voice of absorbed where did the herbs who'll voice and what did the her kanter come from. Herb sewell was created. When i heard neil myers of mutual broadcasting doing his show late one night back in the early nineties the radio station. I was working at an inventory carried. The mutual broadcasting system for their programming at night and small radio stations will do this. It saves the money. They don't have to hire local hosts that can just bring in the network and they brought in mutual and on late at night on mutual was a cat named neil myers. I don't know a goddamn thing. About neil myers. I i don't. He's very intelligent guy. When i listened to cat it was he might have been a psychologist but Neil myers talk like this and welcome to mutual broadcasting system. Excuse me my voice needs to be a little bit more. And the neil myers show. I'm neil myers and welcome and hello and what is your problem this evening and this is how he sounded. And it's kind of an instinct. That i have since i was a kid. I can mimic people. And i heard this band neil myers and i immediately thought. That's a great voice. I have to incorporate that somehow. And so i began to experiment. Hello and i took that character. That voice that i heard from neil myers and i decided what i would do is rather than make that character. A man who was helpful. A man who listening to people's problems. Because that's what neil mayes. Daddy was sort of a radio psychologist. I would turn that man into the most evil perverse piece of shit. And he became herb sewell. You know about that was in tasca darrow for crimes against children and women. Now you probably asking what about that. Laugh where he goes he okay. There's two other characters that figure in so that this character of neil myers. Excuse me this character herb soon. Not only neil myers. But i incorporated william f. buckley and another character. The actor william daniels and shoe the voice and so that came from william f. buckley. Now william f. buckley had a way of laughing where he would say Coming up as jan kerouac. The great writer and i think we'll be right back. He had this kind of way of laughing. That i exaggerated for the herbs character. Neil myers rather herb. Sewell would talk like this and coming up. I'd like you know you just begin to assume exaggerate this thing where certain people who laughed at themselves when they're thinking of things and that laughter becomes accentuated and then there was william daniels in the movie the graduate he plays the father of dustin hoffman's character mr braddock and Ben is going to come out right now wearing his scuba diving equipment that's where this other affectation of herbs came in the Now you say and in the film. That's william daniels character. Did he would say because. I'll be out fifty bucks or something like that. He said ben will come out wearing his Scuba diving outfit. And william daniels had the same similar voice. Similar affectation to neil myers and william buckley and ben is going to come out wearing his scuba diving equipment. The or aasheim out two hundred bucks You know that was his character and that affectation i also incorporated. Now you ask yourself okay. How do you go from. Neil myers to william f buckley. Neil myers voice. Reminded me of william buckley's and so i brought in some of that and when i brought in some of that that i went as a matter of fact it reminds me a little bit of william daniels so i brought it And so. I got to Herb sewell here. And i was thinking the other day filled that i think you know you're a good man man phil You know if your voice actor or you're an actor you know exactly what it is. i'm talking about. I don't know if you know how to do it yet. Or if you're doing it. You're doing it better than i am. Or what it is it What stage yet but if your instinct is for that kind of work then you know what i'm saying so you'll hear a voice that's interesting you try it out and you try that voice out you start to live that voice for a while and you think of well a history and you don't do that intellectually do it instinctively so when i finally brought her to the air and i was talking like this on the i'm abso- i knew. I wanted him to be. The opposite of neil myers so i made him a pervert and and i also decided that i would put them into task daryl because it was a psychiatric forensic hospital which i think those places are fascinating to me and a real creep like herb. Putting him in that place would be absolutely natural. No one would fault me for putting them there. It would make sense. And as long as i'm at a task a darrow Maybe he had electroshock. Maybe he had insulin shock. Maybe he ran into some serial killers there now when i was growing up and i'm not gonna spend a lot of time in this when i was growing up. I had two good friends whose mothers were sent to psychiatric hospitals here in california. I won't say which ones that. I won't say who my friends who they were. But i will simply say that I heard their stories of watching their mothers literally being loaded into ambulances and taken to a psychiatric facility. Mothers assuming we're psychotic and here in california There was one in particular that one would go to now as it turns out. By the time. I created the herbs character that particular facility has been closed down and no longer exists but we do have another forensic hospital of note here in california. Task a darrow. And so i naturally went there. I didn't go to the other one. Because the other ones would shut down so that i went to a task guerrero. Now you know some people could fault me for quote mocking the mocking people with a mental illness. And a lot of people. A lot of places where this shit but let me say this. And i i will keep saying this till the day i die and people who are intellectually honest and who are artistically honest. Let's put it this way. People who are artists will understand me as you know. Those of you who've listened to my show down through the decades ago create such extreme satire to provoke response from the audience to provoke a response from the audience to provoke people into responding now today. Because i don't take phone calls much of that response comes to be by way of email or comments on social media etc. It's not as much fun as when i used to provoke that response on radio show and created my radio show back in nineteen ninety. My intention was to so outrage. The caller base that they would respond to the character believing that character to be real. And if you can really get the emotions and people you can get them to forget that they're listening. You can get to forget for a moment listening to a made up character. Maybe they actually weren't buying it but the subject matter so outrageous or they are buying. That's a real person and now that person's pissed them off. But the whole reason why i did that is because i was a satirizing. Talk radio for the phony baloney format that it was. I mean the ripe for exploitation by anybody canny enough to to do it. That would be me. And secondly to entertain the audience at large with the stupidity of both the caller and the character that i'd created to entertain the audience at large with the stupidity of of the character and the caller but also to illustrate the attitudes of people. So i bring a child molester like herb sewell And to talk about his crimes but he's trying to be better and he's trying to go straight and to that would so provoke an audience that they would call outrage. That would have a guy like that on the air. And then that guy herb. Sewell would begin to pick apart those people's arguments and outrage and emotions and turn it into high comedy because even the most outraged and the most just you know the most outraged at the most indignant person at some point. You've said what you wanna say. You've reached your peak of emotional. You know stress and now you're beginning to fall prey to any absurd comments. That comes your way you know your your outrage in your emotions are so overwrought that a guy can toss a hand. Grenade in there. And i'll bet the reason why you're so angry is because you're jealous of me because i have a really great voice. What what are you talking to. You know we can take it anywhere. We wanted to take it. So this was the whole purpose of creating characters like herbs and it's the whole purpose of creating any of those characters because they create a reality and the reality that they create Can be enormously funny illustrative of to s to a prejudice and You know a variety of things. Now i realize. I promised i would talk to you about characters. And i've only talked about one. Herb soule so perhaps. I should mention one other character. That would be steve. Zell st boselli. An interesting character because st boes l. didn't start out st l. He started out his steve worn l. And he was a wealthy businessman from atlanta who was into nascar and he started out with the bud. Dickman voice believe it or not. I'm steve worn l. This was the steve worn voice that became stabilize l like this but he started out talking like this. This is before. I really evolved dickman from dave del wagon. And i'm steve. This steve worn l. And welcome to the phil. Emery show and i'd like to talk to you feel about The daytona five hundred greatest spectacle in racing. I couldn't get that phrase out of my head the daytona five hundred. The greatest spectacle in racing. It was beautiful. I just couldn't that for that. It was just the just illustrated that culture the greatest spectacle in racing daytona five hundred. I've been the daytona five hundred. It's a great race but never go to the infield the daytona five hundred during the race. It's it's a sewer it's a it's a garbage can. It's it's a toilet i can't. There's no words fail me the infield at the daytona five hundred is a toilet literally literally you. I made the mistake of going to the daytona. Five hundred not to the race was great. But i made the mistake of going to the infield. I thought that would be. Because i used to go to racist with my father and my dad always made a point of being on the infield because we went to road races out here and riverside and being on the rail. They're on the infield was fantastic not at the daytona five hundred and florida on an oval. Track it was an absolute. It's absolute sewer. I maybe it's gotten better down through the years. I don't know i don't personally excuse my french again. I give a shit but the love that the nascar fan has the daytona five hundred. There is no end so that was my attempt at mocking those people. And steve worn l. Would talk about outrageous things. For instance like I have my sales. People sign an agreement that if they do not make their sales number at the end of the month i am allowed to slap their face. I'm allowed to stand up on my desk in my office at my desk and slap them as hard as i can across the face. They can't do anything about it. That was the premise again. So outraged the audience. They have no choice but to call but make the character as realistic as you can and believe it or not that carrot. I sold that character that way for a number of years till we got to l. a. And that voice. I gave over to bud dickman. He sounds like this and created the steve brazil character. Who like this more of a simpleton. A guy that got his feelings hurt a guy who who's a construction contractor. And a lotta that. I got from my days when i got to florida's a kid. I was a construction labor. I worked for a friend of mine's dad and i was. You know i was around. That work and i listened to the contractors. I listen to my boss. Old man thyssen and i listen to them talk and i and i hung out with the crew chief and all that shit around and truck with him and listen to their bullshit. So i i pretty much had a good handle on how to construction contractor talks and he became ill so that's an interesting permutation or evolution from a guy it sounds like this is a very successful businessman i enjoy the daytona five hundred degrade spectrum racing to a guy who sounds like this who you know what. My daughter laughed at me and laughed at me and laughed at me. And i got my feelings hurt. I think i'm gonna soup. You know how did that happen. Why did i do that when i got to. California it just made more sense. Steve l. in atlanta and miami and florida. That's a character that makes sense in california would make any sense talking about the daytona five hundred. Nobody gives a shit about excuse me for saying this but no one really gives that much it was shit about the daytona. Five hundred california. And you know to that to that end. Nobody really gives that much was shit about wealthy businessman dallas. You had to make him relevant to california. I made him and i made a transplant. A business owner a guy who gets his feelings hurt. A guy gets you know sues everybody in sight. Because i live in the city of los angeles which quite frankly i live with the outskirts of the city of los angeles. Which is one of those litigious cities in the mother fucking country so that makes and people are pissed off about that so that makes sense and so st boesel came about as the result of all those realizations as they say necessity being the mother of invention there was a necessity for me to change that character to make work in in california. That's what i did. I that's it that's it that's all i can do. The world famous. Fill every show here for today on this wednesday as we tell you we give you a little background on. 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The Desire for Purity, and Abuse of Power

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19:51 min | 7 months ago

The Desire for Purity, and Abuse of Power

"And so alright alright. Alright hello. Hello hello everyone and welcome to another episode of more content. That's the only show that cuts through the glamour glitz and all the bullshit to bring you. The truth is news that we can find mr gates. Mr gates is in trouble is not Matt gaetz is under some sort of Sexual misconduct investigation. Which he in turn is claiming that Is somehow you know being forced upon him unlawfully and some extortion case involves supposed to sexual contact with a seventeen year old girl What wo- the things these republicans get themselves into folks The things politicians in general give themselves into always in some sort of odd situation. Where it's like. Would you do with the seventeen year old girl dude. What's the point. I don't know what the point is. Maybe it's in sierra. Maybe it's not. It's not my place to make any judgment on. Not because judging his wrong. That's stupid. But because i don't know anything about the particulars so we'll see but As i'm sure you know many many media corporations busy you know pushing your little moral buttons and not going to do that tonight. Take a look in a book that deals with this topic and deals with them Kind of how. Sexist dirty thing to humans Now obviously you know. I'm not condoning any misconduct. But as i said before. I don't know that there was misconduct story. Just broke today as recording this. Maybe ten hours ago nine hours ago. So there's no way for me to know This will probably go up at the most. In a couple of days it will still probably be fairly The timeline but just in case he comes back they did do something. I'm not trivializing that I just don't know and As i said before there's so many through points with these sexual scandals with these politicians it's worth taking a look at it that the maybe we can gain some insight into why these particular things occur and why they keep occurring ny. They seem so Almost normal thing in society. Now where you see. These politicians getting into whatever sex scandal for whatever reason So this is a interesting book it gets it. I think it goes places that wooden It's called the human stain. And it's By phil roth I think would it really. Articulates is the human desire purity It is a relentless desire That involves the hatred of the self. I've talked about that. I'm not gonna talk too much about it tonight. But i maybe i will little It encourages Kind of complicity to sexual norms It is very heterosexual. It is very Patriarchal i did a show on patriarchy. I'll probably do another one So when you put people in these kind of boxes these restraints They tend to act like animals. Doing in cages Very you know unsatisfied. Very traumatized very devastated very unhappy. And they're able to hide it as long as they're able to hide that part of themselves from the society but when they're not able to then it's you know and you know when these people get caught doing these things that are illegal and you know in some cases maybe just flat out wrong. How do we get to that point. How did we end up in point where this this had to happen is really what i'm trying to get at here Sexual abuses disgusting It's very real problem. I think you're gonna see more and more victims of sexual abuse coming forward I think you'd see a lot of the politicians famous people popular people go down. This disrobe This route because i think it's way more common than people realize you know just in the culture men try to dominate women. In as for you heard the president say on national television and it's not that every man does it but it doesn't have to be every man all it has to be as few Influential people in high places. And that's one thing. I hope you take away from every episode is that it doesn't have to be everyone. Everyone doesn't have to be a racist. Where did you get this notion from. I know where he got it from. You got it from right wing media but not. Everyone has to be racist for it to be a problem. That's not necessarily not everyone has to set out to Or or sexist or whatever you know not everyone has to set out to committed genocide genocide still happened on the less because the few people get in high places and Us laws to attack their foes. Sometimes they're attacking their foes for things that they do themselves as we saw with the case with the hungarian politician who was far right anti anti-gay in was found having gay sex or at least bisexual. Sex i don't know the particulars. But i know that there men there and What's that all about now. We see matt gaetz. What's going on you know disease trying to help this person. How come he you know how come we can't bring this out in the open this he's trying to do. Why is this popular grown adult hanging out with the child in the first place. What's the point what's going on so people wanna know. Why do people want to people. Want to know because It's it's unprofessional and it's disturbing and it makes people uncomfortable and in general in society. We have decided that that sort of behaviour is wrong. And so there's a there's a bit of a social contract there that goes along with the territory that says you have to behave a certain way in order to receive all these wonderful things that you have and then there's the other end of it that's Saying well is there. Anyone out there who can do it is there. Are there people who are capable of reining in these desires. I so i think they're out there. I just don't think you're gonna get them wanting to be popular. It's like me. I don't care to be popular. So i say things that other shows probably wouldn't go there so i lose popularity but it's okay because that's not the point of my show. My point is to be the antithesis of popular people in there's always a market for that so it's not like i'm a lonely duckling or anything it's just that it takes more time. It's a conscious decision. I made well not not conscious because we don't have a conscious mind knowns able to map that out yet that we know of but what we call consciousness. I said to myself you know what i could do. X y and z. But i'm going to a and it was my decision and that's another important point right. Because this is such an multilayered subject you know can a seventeen year old girl make a decision to hang out with a guy in any way at at that age. I dunno low. This is known sir. Christopher from our content please and more content talk. I am telling us anger first of all because banker is free which is a really good reason but anchor also has awesome creation tools that allow you to create your podcast directly from your browser or phone anchor will distribute your podcast on spotify apple. Podcast and more you can make money on anchor with With no minimum listenership is everything. You need to make a podcast in one place. Download the free anchor app or go to anchor dot. Fm to get started today because anchor is awesome. Just like more content please. yeah yes So i'm going to read This brief excerpt from what's called the human stain by philip roth. We hadn't had a season like it since somebody stumbled upon the new miss america nude in an old issue of penthouse pictures of her elegantly posed on her knees and on her back. That forced young woman to relinquish crown and go on to become a huge pop star. Ninety eight in new england was the summer of exquisite warmth and sunshine and baseball and summer mythical battle between a home run god who was white a homerun. God who was brown Sammy sosa and in america. The summer of an enormous piety binge purity bid when terrorism which should replace communism is the prevailing threat. To the country's security was succeeded by cock sucking virile youthful middle-age president and abrash twenty one year old employee carrying on in the oval office. Two teenage kids in the parking lot revived america's oldest communal historically perhaps its most treacherous and subversive pleasure the ecstasy of sanctimony in the congress in the press in on the networks the righteous grandstanding creeps crazy to blame deplore and punish where everywhere out moralizing to beat the band. All of them the calculated frenzy. With what hawthorne who in the eighteen sixties lives not many miles from my door identified in the incipient country. Long ago was the persecuting spirit. All of them eager to enact the astringent rituals of purification. That would excise direction from the executive branch thereby making things cozy and safe. Enough for senator lieberman's ten year old daughter to watch tv with her embarrassed. Daddy again on. Now it's weird it's like why is there ten year old watching c. span it. Shouldn't they be at school. I don't know we know if you haven't lived through. Nineteen ninety eight. Sanctimony is the syndicated. Conservative newspaper columnist william f. Buckley wrote win. Abbatoir did it. It was possible to prevent. It's happening again. Insinuating that the president's malfeasance With buckley elsewhere called clinton's incontinent karnali. Some hefty language. You now you see. The right has done something which you could make. The case is much worse because seventeen in the mind is a lot younger than twenty one in the mind and this is why milwaukee's telling me you really shouldn't moralize so much because you know it comes back to bite him yes anyway. Moving on might best be remedied with nothing. So bloodless is impeachment but rather by the twelfth century punishment meted out to cannon abba lard by the knife-wielding associates of abattoirs ecclesiastical collin's colleague cannoned full. Burt for apple's secrets deduction of and marriage to full birds niece. The virgin elways says long history of weird sick stuff in politics. Just how it is unlike. Khomeini's fought while condemning to death. Salman rushdie buckley's wistful longing for the corrective retribution of castration carried with it no financial incentive for any prospect of perpetrator tempted by his spirit. No less exacting than ayatollah however and in behalf of no less exalted ideals in america when the nausea returned. When the joking. Didn't stop the speculation and theorizing. The didn't stop. When the moral obligation to explain to one's children about adult life was abrogated in favor of maintaining in them every illusion about adult life when the smallness of people with simply crushing when some kind of demon had been unleashed in the nation and on both sides people wondered. Why are we so crazy. When men and women alike upon awakening in the morning discovered during the night in a state of sleep that transported them beyond him to be your loathing they had dreamed of the brazenness of bill clinton. I myself dreamed mammoth banner draped diagnostically like christo wrapping from one end of the white house to the other and bearing the legend of a human being lives here. It was the summer win for the billionth time. The jumble the mayhem. The mess proved itself more subtle than this one's ideology and that one's morality. It was the summer when presidents penis was on everyone's mind and life in all its shameless impurity once again confounded america and that and sentence is essentially why. I decided to read that passage in the first place. It is so true life confounds americans. Doesn't these bad things keep happening over and over and over again in these high political offices and it is obvious that there needs to be more oversight and yet we do nothing and we are so shocked every time it happens. Is that really being honest folks. Maybe it's time to just demand a better candidate. Maybe we need people who are in millionaires. Who aren't used to this kind of. I don't know high partying lifestyle. Whatever they've got going on. I don't know what's going on and it's very secretive. Whatever it is. Everything's all secret all the time. Why why can't people nil. Why can't they honest. Is that really someone you want representing you. I think if we just had a little bit more honesty these scandals would stop. And i think that instead of wondering only about ourselves which we should do we should ask ourselves. Why are we asking. for oversight. We should demand more fucking oversight from these people and we should actively seek that out all right. Everyone thank you for joining me here tonight. I'm more content. Talk if you like you can click on that a little microphone button and it will take you to the anchor site and you can go ahead and support this show. We really appreciate that. Also you can check us out our youtube channel. You can see the live videos there. It's a more content please. mcp At the channel is now more content. Talk and you can also check out our website which you can find on the anchor pages. Well all right everyone Oh and check us out on twitter. Join us It's content underscore. It's more underscore content pius. That's it all right. Everyone had wonderful night morning day afternoon. Whatever it is and Remember it's cool to be pure but not so much that it drives me crazy and makes you do weird things with young girls. Just a general rule. I'm throwing out there for everyone. Okay stay stay away from young. There's plenty of olbermann that are your age. Okay bye bye.

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Frontlines with Joe and Joe: Welcome To A New Episode Of Name That Tyrant!

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10:36 min | 8 months ago

Frontlines with Joe and Joe: Welcome To A New Episode Of Name That Tyrant!

"This is what's championed. you know. This is the funny thing about this story. Everyone wants to censor people. Everyone wants to eliminate speech. Nobody's talking about eliminating child porn. No one's talking about eliminating hardcore porn. Never mind like playboy. I knew you were going to go in this direction. Joe and we're probably going to talk about this through that through the rest of this segment and into the next one because one of the main things that we have. Joe and i were talking last night before we did our show our social media show. We're talking about perhaps maybe writing down some of our ideas in identifying some of our major problems that need to be. I mean we have a lot of problems. But maybe like a top ten pornography's one of pornography's no value life but they argued in front of the supreme court at the time. And this is where dershowitz is biggest sin. That's why i br dershowitz no matter how much he took donald trump's back. I don't like dershowitz. I never liked dershowitz. He had an interview on. Crusaders can find it online. Maybe shannon or somebody could post it. Where on firing. Line william f. Buckley back in the seventies he had on harry reams who was a porn star that he was involved in the case and alan dershowitz was representing him and alan dershowitz argued. That porn is protected. Speech under the first amendment. It is not and one of the things that tried to say it has a value. I guess they call it. A societal value porn has zero value. In fact it's got a value because because porn is destructive. Okay it's destruct. We're not talking from a puritanical point of view. Joe and i. We're roman catholic. Men we get it. We've looked at playboy magazine before okay shocked there to you. Ok obviously not anymore because we grew up since then. My point is that it's destructive. It does it does many cases irreversible harm particularly to men particularly to men and make and then and then yes you impotent. As let's stick to the irony of it particularly married men that are addicted to porn you lose interest in your wife you lose interest in your white. I worked with a guy who had. I don't know if i told the story. Before on the crusade channel. I used to work with a guy and he would talk to me a lot because he knew i was catholic right but he hated the catholic church and he hated the church's teaching on sexual morality but he always funny enough ended up talking to me. Be novella selena was that but but he would ask me about this. He would say things to me like he would say no. I got this really hot girlfriend. She wants to get married. She wants to get engaged to get married. But i can't do it. Because she's not porn star hot. He said this to me now again. I don't judge was he from staten island. No he was actually from a different part of the country like all new york actors most of them most them from a different part of the country. But he's trying to explain this to me. And i said to him. I said look dude. He's younger than me. I still look. I'm not i'm not. i'm not coming at you like some some old man. Okay like me tell you a war stories. Let me just tell you like this. I been there and done that. Okay i was married at. The time was just after i married my wife. Okay and i said look. I said whatever you're telling me. I already know okay. Whatever it comes to the hooligan lifestyle. The sexually liberated lifestyle. You're not telling me anything. I don't already know and have experienced in my life. Okay dad end brother. It's a deck. Why because he had porn ingrained in his mind and i met his fiancee or his girlfriend at one time. Very nice looking woman. Okay but you see in his mind. She's not porn star. Joe all this is what happens. As an example that's zales sin is a dead end over. Yeah no matter what it is. I mean we're talking porn but sin does not satisfy ultimately. I mean god built it that way because then you're supposed to turn to him right right. It's sort of built into the equilibrium of life braille but speaking specifically about porn it has zero value. There's a group of guys out of philadelphia. You could look it up there. Called the king's men one of the one of the things that they do good group of guys they protest in front of that is a fantastic. Yeah looking at headpiece. Here is the jewish hafbro. That i only wish i had well. That is fantastic. I mean buckley. I watched the interview a couple of times. Buckley really let him have it but he sat there and he argued. This is alan dershowitz. We're talking about from the firing line. He argued his point to buckley. The same argument you made in front of the supreme court the phrase i was looking forward with socially redeeming value. I think that's the legal way. They put pornography as a socially redeeming value argument. Isn't i think anybody would argue. This point is no it's zero. It's it hurts society. It's like gambling. I'll just use this as an example anytime you have a gambling city it brings with it porn it brings with the drug it brings with it prostitution. They voted in new jersey to bring gambling to the and it didn't pass. It's not the cure a lot of times because they want to tax it obviously because new jersey's dying for money any city whether it's high-end monte-carlo or low end like reno nevada it brings with it other vices. It goes hand in hand. The prostitutes just cost more money. But they're there because they know you just want to grant at the blackjack table but this is what it is. It brings no value and the king's men. They're out of philly what they do. Is they get a group of catholic guys and they stand across the street from we call it a gogo bar. I don't know what you guys call it down south but that's like a strip club they call in jersey go-go bar they stand across the street and they protested and they've shut down gogo. See that's a beautiful thing that's catholic. Men should do there. There's an near my house on route. Seventeen zari probably knows route seventeen. I live off it. Basically runs the gamut of north jersey. Takes you up to new york state. There's a go go bar shakers. That's been there for four decades. And i drive past that twice a day. Joe full confession. I've been to shake does not not in my recent life but back in the game you guys that used to bounce their years and years ago by the way. That place is an asshole. Oh that that places like that is the dive bar with strippers. The dive bar of my point is what value forty years of my life. i'm fifty. I remember seeing that. It's in the shadows of the meadowlands adds value. It takes away value from society. Why do we permit it. And here's the thing they want to take away guns. This is how i handle it. All right mr dershowitz. You're going to argue that you can't take away. I'm gonna tax the living daylights outta you want a light. I'm gonna create a license for those type of bars. It costs two hundred fifty thousand dollars a year for that. And that's not for the liquor license that's just an added added just like they put a license onto by giant tickets and jet tickets. They what do they call that like. It was like a licensed then. You had to buy your season tickets. And i'll just tax to living daylights addie right. What value but yet here we are alan dershowitz and there's a large segment of our society. That will argue for that right. Sorry you don't get it. It just destroys our society. And i was side. He's destroyed enough. And i would ask women. I would ask women who are sexually liberated. Do you want your husband looking at porn. Do you want your husband going to strip clubs if you say you do. You're lying especially if you have children if you say if you have children if your mother i'll sexually liberated white liberal mother in the suburbs okay with kids you want your husband say honey after dinner. Honey i'll be back later. Me and the boys are going to go down to shakers. Let's say or stilettos or any of the ones here in the route. Seventeen corridor okay. We'll you think you think that woman is going to be like. Oh go be free. Honey go ahead come back later. Woman is going to be like. Where do you think your go. You go to a strip club you got me number one. You don't need other women and number two. We got two kids right here. What are you talking about. No women that says that they're for that which or i'm going to look at anything other than lying through their teeth. Well that's also part of. I had buddies that were traders. They would take bankers there and spend ridiculous amounts of money joe. I used to do it when it was stockbroker. High end to there's there's a place in enj- in new york called scores like it's four wall street like big dogs. They were all mob. Mob dub my friend. Paul used to take bankers. They're constantly dropped thousands of dollars and basically court them so he could make hundreds of thousands of dollars off of them right that that's a common practice in new york city and there's a lot of businessmen and guys guys like larry flint when he was alive Bob guccione okay. Hugh half their nose. We made heroes. Like the american culture not us and not all eu crusaders out there on crusade channel always on air and always online crusade channel dot com that we didn't make heroes out of them but american culture made heroes at hugh hefner. If you wanted to be a celebrity you had to go to playboy mansion. The guy's a pornographer dude free a bob. Guccione another sleazeball. Okay no started out as a photographer. Then he found the penthouse. We've got a little bit more hardcore and then along comes larry flint which got really hard core. Okay they're made heroes. These guys there was i. Would i would feel like if i walk. I haven't been to a strip club. I couldn't tell you how long okay now i've been married seven years and certainly within a few years before i met my wife. I wasn't going to them anymore. I would feel shane. I would feel filthy. If i walked into one that and i wouldn't even care if i if it was a bunch of friends wanted to go there and i'm just going to have a drink okay. I won't want to be anywhere near those. I'll tell you a funny story. When i when i basically the firm that a matinee downtown manhattan. When i went back to it. I worked downtown many years ago so i was kind of like walking around the neighborhood and there was an old irish bar. I used to go to So i was like. Oh my gosh it's still here. Let me check it out. I walk in and it was an ironworker bar now like all like construction workers. I'm wonders bro. I i walked in. There was a woman on a trap e swinging across the bar. I took two steps in. I was like holy crap. And i turned her out. Guys in there. Were laughing but like it stunned me.

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2021 Oregon Book Awards

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53:33 min | 6 months ago

2021 Oregon Book Awards

"Hey it's andrew the director of literary arts literary arts. We rely on our community. People like you for support to help make this podcast. And all our programming possible give today literary dash arts dot org forward slash donate welcome to the archive project. I'm andrew procter director of literary arts. The archive project is a retrospective of some of the most engaging talks from the world's best writers from more than thirty five years of literary arts and portland support for the archive project is provided by cole. Haan cole haan shoes bags go with you. While you work your way to extraordinary more at cole. Haan dot com. This is a very special episode of our show in which we will be announcing the winners of the twenty twenty one oregon book awards. We are thrilled to welcome everyone who is tuning in from all over the region. Thank you to the institutions and the many individuals who support this year round program of literary arts supporters include the kinsman foundation the rose e tucker charitable trust as well as aha. Opb and the oregonian key support also comes from brian booth. Renters fund and other donor advised fund gifts to the oregon community foundation since one thousand nine hundred seven the oregon book awards have celebrated the work of our states authors. This year one hundred and seventy three bucks from forty one towns across the state were submitted out of state judges determined the finalists and winners and in this episode. you'll hear excerpts. The winning work read by the authors. We're also thrilled to share an interview with molly gloss this year. Cs would award recipient and archival audio of treasured oregon writer. The late barry lopez who hosted the oregon book awards in two thousand six and received the see. Yes would award himself in two thousand eight. Our guest hosts for this special episode are both passed oregon book award winners themselves. Omar el cod author of the novel. American war and elena pastorello author of the collection. Animals strike curious poses. Hello everyone i lane passarella. I'm a writer and a teacher. I'm coming to you from corvallis oregon and oh look who's here happens to be my good friend. Omar hey omar. How's it good. We are distant acquaintances at best. I feel thank you so much for agreeing to do this with me again. I am flabbergasted that you would want to have anything to do with me after the first round My name is omar. I'm a writer. I live just south of portland oregon and it is such a pleasure to be here presenting the oregon book awards with my actually good friend. Elaina passer in this episode. We have seven awards to announce in seven genres by the authors. We invited all our finalists in each category to record a short reading of their nominated work so after each award is presented. You'll hear the winner. Read an expert of their piece and you can also watch readings from all the finalists and an event that took place in april on the literary youtube channel at literary arts dot. Orga before we get started. We wanted to acknowledge that. In december of twenty twenty we lost one of oregon's most beloved and influential writers berry lopez received the national book award and the oregon book award for his book. Arctic dreams his book of wolves and men was a national book award finalist and has collection of short stories resistance won the oregon book award for short fiction in two thousand five and his book. Horizon was a finalist last year in creative nonfiction berry hosted the oregon book awards in two thousand and six and was awarded. The es would award in two thousand and eight tonight will be sharing to recordings of berry at previous oregon book award ceremonies. Here's a portion of berry's acceptance speech for the c s would award recorded at the oregon book awards in two thousand and eight where he talks about his introduction to the literary community of oregon. I came to oregon forty years ago in august. And it's been the good place for me. I met many teachers here. Been good people good. Neighbors like to say met my wife here but actually i met her in tucson but kind of a little bit so sometime around nineteen seventy one. I went to van morrison concert at court in the university of oregon and there was a very imposing man. Standing in the back of the stage can keesey very intimidating presence for me as a young man. Somebody wanted us to meet. And i was twenty feet away from him and he stuck out his hand. Welcome i'll come tour. I'm should. I tried to say something. But i hope he got a laugh out of it later. Young men a couple of years later the first time it ever been invited to the had a writers conference was in a story was riding up in an elevator with ursula quinn even a little more intimidating. I'm standing there in the elevator. She's possibly have a room on the second floor the longer the elevator goes tighter get. Why isn't there somebody else in the elevator. And i'm i'm trying to find some way to introduce myself. And in my naive egotistical way to say i'm not an attendee. I'm speaker before. I can say anything. She turns to me and she says you know you're one of us there. Let's your heart and then sometime later head an invitation to go up and speak at port townsend. The writers conference a player. And i was pretty scared as people have said here this evening. It's something to be acknowledged by your peers on an evening like this but you know just at a writers conference like that to have maybe somebody you would hope would know your name so when i got there in that. Our everybody was in class with their teachers and I felt pretty lonely. I didn't know where to go. And i didn't know what i was supposed to do. I was paralyzed with self consciousness and walking down a hallway. I saw where bill stafford's class had posted the points that they had written the day before. And just to calm myself down. I began reading the points. And i came on one that said waiting for berry lopez bill stafford so raise the spirits of those three people. And tell you that. I would not have made it appear this evening if i had not been paying attention to my teachers and those are three of my teachers. This room is full of people have taught me. And i hope in everything that i do as a writer if you told me something i have respected. What you've told me never told anyone or taken the gift that you have given me an try to make language around it so that lived in another heart. Just think my brother rick. Thank all of new blinded by the light which is a good way to leave here. God bless you all. Thank you for everything you've done. Wow that was incredible. I loved hearing his voice again. And i just love what he had to say about meeting or slow kayla gwynne and all those great oregon writers. What a treat. This year's winner of the award is the writer. Molly gloss molly glosses the author of several novels including the jumpoff creek the dazzle of day wildlife the hearts of horses and falling from horses as well. As the story collection unforeseen the writer karen j fowler about me and work. She is an extraordinary craftsman. Her pros precise her sentences models of clarity her stories plotted with an architectural grace and in addition to the technical craft. She has a gift for creating people. Her characters are all extraordinary in the way that only ordinary people when known can be. Recently i interviewed molly about her writing as well as her subjects and some of her influences. Everyone i oh merlin occurred. It's been great pleasure and honour today to be with molly. Gloucester percipient of they 2021. Cas would award molly. Thank you so much for taking the time. And congratulations on an incredibly. Well deserved award. This is an award that many of oregon's finest writers one Including ursula win on what it start by asking. Is it true that ursula was responsible for the first and only creative writing workshop. That that you've ever attended that's right. that's correct. What what was that. Like nineteen eighty-one ursula was a fabulous teacher Everything i know about teaching. I learned from watching her. Do it in that workshop. I was already beginning to publish. When i took that workshop. But she gave me a huge boost when she introduced me to her agent. At that time he was a big crowd of students. There were twenty second and so it was kind of unwieldy and she managed with great grace and think. We all learned a lot from that workshop. I know i did one of the things about your work strikes me as as a really all encompassing attributed work is just the sense of being in that world as i'm reading it and thinking here even the first few pages of from forces in the sense of just being in that time and being in that place. I can't imagine the amount of research in the attention to detail. That goes into crafting a book like that. Wondering if you've developed process or for standardizing the research or how you first enter the research and how much that changes from from book to book from project to project. I do it tremendous amount of research. I think i have every one of my books. And even some of my short stories microprocessors though is pretty messy. It's not. It's not a of organized. I when i begin a project i have a notion of the time in place and the person in this sort of situation with them in and bet before i write a single sentence of the work itself. I begin reading and taking notes on that time and place In my notes are very haphazard. I keep notebooks and on any given page. There might be a thought had about this personality of this person there might also be information about the fishing industry on the lower columbia river in nineteen o five and on that same page. There might also be a description of the woods around mount. Saint helen's from a trip. That i took up there. So it's very jumbled in. I find out quite useful. Actually because when i'm struggling at all with the scene or i know i need to know this little bit of information that i know is somewhere in my notebooks but i don't know where so i go back looking for it and i'm paging through my notebooks looking for that one note and of course then i'm rereading all my notes and interesting ideas occurred to me or i come to something and take all. I forgot about that. Could use that and it opens up incredibly to new directions for the work to go. This is really useful. Also if i'm stuck. If i'm just not writing and i don't know what to do next. Just go back and read my notes. There's this element of support for lack of better phrase sort of chaos of nature. Let's present many of these stories and the human interaction with the way some people are drawn to that chaos and some people are quite fearful of it quite repelled by it You've seen this part of the country change over the years and wondering if your perception of how that interaction works has changed as well as you've seen the landscape change around you. I do think that my work often engages with the question of the human response to you. Call chaos i would call it wilderness Our idea of what wilderness is is his changed over the years. We used to have a cabin on the long beach peninsula. It was in a little community of houses and there and the area was originally very wooded and there were still a lot of. There was still a lot of wildness around these houses. There were people in that little community who had removed every trace of native vegetation had cut down all the trees around their house and had lined the pathway to their door with mary goals or petunias To bring communists. I guess from their point of view to that chaotic landscape. And i'm interested in that. I'm interested in that response. The human response to the wildness around them shows up a lot in my work. I'm a fourth generation oregonian than her longtime unites all my life. I've seen a lot of change and it's one of the things that's interesting to me is how other people don't see what i see if i take a friend who's from another place another state and i drive him over to the coast. What they see around them is the glorious green of our forests on both sides of the road on the drive over. Would i see is forty year old plantation of single species trees that are maybe even second generation trees from multiple cuttings clearcutting over the years whereas when i was a kid and we drove to the coast. What i saw a forest a mixed forest of many species and many ages and that doesn't exist anymore in most places in oregon sad realization. I guess kind of element that cuts across i think in my opinion anyway Across both history fiction and speculative stories the sort of jarring discrepancy between the very individualistic mythology. In manny of these stories that have come to define america in the communal reality So many of your stories heard that focus on the necessity of community and what we do for one. Another and how during that is when compared with this very sort of long cowboy lethality. I'm wondering how important it is to you to explore that kind of discrepancy and and the asymmetric way in which the mythology has sort of taken precedence over the reality. It's central to my work. Thank you for bringing it up. Actually the lone cowboy that that trope that mythology the american west Has some things to recommend it in many many things that i wish were part of A car underbelly to that mythology and one thing. That's missing is the fact that most of our frontier history was very much more about community than it was about the lone cowboy so in my own work often. Even in my speculative fiction. I'm exploring that that intersection. That question of the mythology of the cowboy that darkness of it and where a new mythology should arise out of our sense of unity. In my novels. I'm often focused more on the untold stories of west here again. I'm speaking even of my speculative fiction the untold stories of women for example and a people of color. How many cowboys from the texas cattle drives were men of color. I was just reading this week about the origin of the term cowboy rather than cow manner. Cowhand that it originated with the black cowboys In the south in any case i'm. I'm always trying to push the legend story more toward and away from the solitary hero. It your previous interviews that the like many writers. You started out writing the story that you wanted to read the stories that perhaps you hadn't seen written and that one of the things that ursula gwen did for you. That was very important. Was telling you you are a writer and wondering what piece of advice you might have for younger writers who are listening to this right now. For whom the idea of making a writing life might feel like a very far away free. I teach an mfa program at pacific university. And i've talked about. This question was my students. It's it's common to see in novice riders a tendency to try to write what they think the publishing world wants to see. And i think the secret to a successful writing live is not to direction at all but to write about what it is that you have a passion for. What is your obsession your passion. I have to write about the american cowboy hero in his influence upon american culture. And i think that if each young writer novelist writer could figure out what it is that is their passion and right about that. They will have a path toward a successful writing. Live read a lot. Of course that goes along with being a writer. You can't be a writer until your first reader and it was reading. Shut my childhood reading that Mostly led me to my passion. Think about what your passion was when you are a young reader and it might be a clue to where you want what you want to write about me. This has been a real pleasure. Thank you so much for taking the time. Would you mind giving a reading all right. Let me read a short scene from a story of nine called grenell method. This is a woman nineteen forties on the long beach peninsula. She said botanist from a thicket of arrow grass in the salt marsh. She watched a lumber ship half a mile off the point labor. In into the bay the white served blooming against the ship's hull index. This was dusk at the end of a wet day in a pair of wind. Foraging the mudflats. Where the only birds she had seen in and our retention drifted looked away and then back in the big vessel at that moment healed over suddenly terrible shrieking of To manage bright yellow anoraks small as the thumb from this distance slid off the deck into the gray water in disappeared. She drew in allow breath. It might be possible to call him back. The sound came on the exhale was hollow and wordless rather man staggering about on the ship yellow warblers moving. Jerkily combranch to leave. This is what came into her mind and their massive in wheelhouse lark lowered on the bow man standing behind. Dr ray streaked windows though. She could not see them could not hear them shouting to one another. She only imagined this. She leaned and settled hard. Aground listing onto at starbucks side and waves broke on it in great foaming sheets. She stood up numbly and threw off the marsh cape took the pistol from her coat pocket in fired it three times into the sky in a few minutes. Someone on the ship shot off a signal flare. it's blurred yellow streak wobbling upward arc in toward the blackness disappearing into it. Ships horns blared blared again a third time with the last of the daylight failing. She began hurriedly to gather driftwood and pilot onto of the mud islands. In the marsh each bonfires had been forbidden since the beginning of the war. This was all she needed to do. It was wet convinced the people had done in the days. When shipwrecks were common bonfires. On the each to eliminate a darkness for any crewman who might be able to swim to shore would was sodden too wet to light and she was standing there in her mud-caked shoes breathless with effort. Thinking about the can of kerosene half a mile away her can when something like a rumble of thunder shook. The ground shift in the channel had gradually become invisible but through marker nights drowned intermittently by the breaking seas but when she looked toward it a leaping glare made up the whole mouth of the bay. Were startled moment. She talked wet. Driftwood had ignited. Was something below decks on ship. Covert munitions. She lifted later here with the number. It had begun to burn ship was very low in the water leaning hard on its keel now in swells. Were breaking over the upper deck. Smothering it completely. Engrave foam and solid water. The fire shot up higher after every flood in flames followed the oil out onto the glossy water and lifted upward in a yellow curtain. She stood and watched men holding the railings. Around the wheelhouse that go and drop and disappear into the water. Someone threw a jacob's ladder over the lee side and men began climbing down. It one of them was tom. She knew him buys plaid mackinaw. Tom and then a swell over the ship. In his solid white sheet vanished under the cataract other men climbed down behind him and were swept off or jumped from the last rung and sank in the burning water. All of this occurred in silence or seem to as the wind and the roar of the flames defender. Thank you so much. For the lead gloss. The winner of the twenty twenty one c woodward anki omar it was so great to spend time with molly gloss and learn more about her amazing career literary arts also awarded to other special awards this year. Elizabeth lyon of eugene was awarded the stewart holbrook award a writing teacher and book editor since nineteen eighty eight. Elizabeth is the author of half a dozen books on how to write revise and market novels and nonfiction. She has worked as a teacher. An editor and literary consultant and has helped hundreds of writers and playwright inc a nonprofit in portland was awarded the walt maury literary legacy award playwright inc is a nonprofit organization that provides safe creative spaces through play writing and performance arts workshops that focus on serving immigrant refugee. Lgbtq and farmworker youth before we announced this year's winners of the twenty twenty one oregon book awards. Here's berry lopez in his opening remarks. When he hosted the oregon book awards in two thousand six. We love what barry has to say about awards and acknowledging the work of writers in our community so tonight we will separate out several deserving writers and elevate them but our intention to celebrate the one while not denying the others to recognize the community of men and women in oregon who strive for individuality in their voices who confront themselves on the page. And who by doing so keeps alive. The tradition of storytelling which in our history sometimes has been the only thing that kept us from disaster if we are to rediscover the knack of reconstructing the kind of communities that make democracy work the perpetuate the ideals of people through all the trials are imperfections regularly dole out to us then. We have to find the glue that is alluding us now. A place to begin is here tonight by applauding. Unique voices of those singled out by the judges and by recognizing that if we ask of these writers in a time when we are afflicted by the ethics of commerce is that they write honestly that is to say responsibly and they recognize we are human beings not consumers and they do then we do not have so much to worry about our stories even in this weirdly modern context we live in. We'll take care of us as they have. Since the time of elta mirror and lesko. I want to leave us with an image of community and it is the way in which storks migrate. They fly spread out in a long line. A straight line and advancing front very slowly losing altitude. They watch each other up and down the line looking left and right and left again in suddenly one bird begins to rise he or she has found thermal and the others bank left and right toward the fortunate one and they all rise through thermo several thousand feet or more and then they line out again watching each other. The thermal is invisible but real birds cannot claim the thermal. The cannot see it but they dependent as they are upon each other. Find it unerringly. So let's turn to some of these thermals. That will lift the rest of us tonight. Okay let's get started with the first award. We will begin with children's literature. The finalists for the eh. louise jarvis mcgraw award. For children's literature are a game of fox and squirrels. By jan. reese. Mario and the hole in the sky. How a chemist saved our planet by elizabeth rush butterflies belong here by deborah hopkinson josie bloom and the emergency of life by susan hill long and than weird by jodi j. Little and the winner is a game of fox. Squirrels by generous. In a game of fox and squirrels when samantha is sent to live with her aunt after a domestic violence incident. A charming fox gives her the chance to return to her parents. But as the ever changing rules of his game begin to reflect deeper truths. About sam's father. Sam must find the courage to redefine both family and home. Generous rates speculative fiction for readers of all ages. Gen lives in portland where she works. As a graphic designer plays video games and revels in the rain. Here's jen reading from a game of fox and squirrels. My name is jen. Reese and i'm the author of a game of fox and squirrels or wrapped package at the foot of the bed. Caught samantha's attention is this for me. She picked it up. Pulled the long pink ribbon through her fingers. Happy birthday aunt. Vicki said it was yesterday. Wasn't it. I thought you might like a president we can bake a cake later to with frosting at vicki sat on the edge of the bed clearly. Eager to watch the unwrapping sam ripped off the paper and gasped. It wasn't a book as she'd been expecting a game of fox and squirrels was written and faded type across a battered box. The answer sand was swirly and inviting and sam. Couldn't help but run her fingertip along. Its wild swooping curves. Something moved outside the window. A flash of red fast as a heartbeat. But when sam looked she only saw the same old green grass and trees and blue skies. It's a car game. At vicki said works better with a few people. We can play later if you want. Sam gave asphyxia could smile. Thanks it looks really interesting. And she meant it. She traced the design on the box. Again in tingle scurried up her spine. There was something special about this game. She could tell maybe something a little bit magic excerpt from the rules for fox and squirrels. Winter is fast approaching in you. Brave squirrel must prepare. Your survival depends on finding and storing nuts for the cold months to come. You will do this by collecting sets and runs of cards so simple but a catch. Isn't there always in this game that catches a fox. The finalists for the leslie bradshaw award for young adult literature are the speed of falling objects by nancy. Richardson fisher. We had to be brave by deborah hopkinson. The sullivan sisters. Kathryn ormsby but for the mountains by aaron rehab and you call this democracy how to fix our government and deliver power to the people by elizabeth rush and the winner is the sullivan sisters by kathryn. Ormsby in the sullivan sisters. Three estranged teenage sisters are spending a miserable winter holiday together when a letter arrives informing them of a family inheritance. They knew nothing about as a sisters road trip to the oregon coast in search of answers. They are forced to band together in the face of a sinister family mystery. Gothard ormsby is the author of several books for children and young adults and she lives with her wife and eugene. Here's catherine reading from the sullivan. Sisters my name is kathryn ormsby. And i'm the author of the sullivan. Sisters digging a grave was more difficult than they enter. Not meet it seem and this wasn't even a regular grave murphy. Had meant to get two feet down but now she'd be happy to make it six inch. Says she looked to seal tupperware container in which siegfried lay wrapped in a holiday printed. Gin wanna. Paula lazarus for me. She asked him to make this easier. Siegfried remained dead. He wasn't the performer. Murphy aspire to be. He was just a turtle who deserved better and there was no magic trick that would bring him forth from his knocking burial. Shroud murphy job at the cold hard earth. Maybe this would be easier. She had actual shovel instead of garden spade. Maybe it'd be better if it were summer and the groundwork kicked him frost. Maybe this wouldn't be happening. If she'd remember defeat siegfried like a good responsible person when it came to choosing a barrel site murphy had decided against her own yard. Neighbors might see an ask questions. So instead she taken siegfried offsite walking a few street corners down to a place where no one would be morris park here a few yards into the tree. Line tunnel loose. Gravel path was a thick cops of evergreen trees. Murphy figured it was symbolic evergreen. The way siegfried would remain evergreen in her heart. Yeah poignant sick. Free dessert freaking poignancy. The grave digging was taking so long though murphy had been here over half an hour and had hacked out only the barest outline of a square. It was getting dark. Dusk rested on the trees and colds slathered beneath murphy's puffer coat prickly flash from her skin was silent silent. Shadows gathered around the spruce system pines forming deepening pockets of darkness where unknown figures could hide. Murphy hadn't considered safety before. She'd only been thinking that the park was the nearest deserted concealed plot of land murderers and kidnappers probably fought that to murphy staggered to our feet wiping the dirty spayed owner gene leg and picking up siegfried's coffin later. She said when there's more light she said from the cops in a nervous jog keeping to the path following it into the parking lot if someone were to kidnap her out here are few wondered. How long would it take. Eileen cleared notice hours days even then probably get over it fast. Mom had to whole other daughters clarin. I lean had. Each other for sisters murphy wasn't essential. I'm the spare tire of the family. Murphy thought no one notices me. When i'm around who would notice if i were gone. Elena it over to you for general and creative nonfiction. Thanks omar the finalists for the frances fuller. Victor award for general nonfiction are dangerous crooked. Scoundrels insulting the president. From washington to trump by edwin stella. The fire is upon us james. Baldwin william f. buckley junior and the debate over race in america by nicholas. Makola not but north for migrant world and the perilous path across the border by kelsey freeman persistent callings seasons of work and identity on the oregon coast by joseph e taylor the third and abalone by an isis and the winner is the fire is upon us james. Baldwin william f. buckley junior and the debate over race in america by nicholas makola. The fire is upon. Us is a joint intellectual biography of james baldwin and william f. buckley junior set against the backdrop of the rise of the civil rights and conservative movements. Nicholas cola lives in portland and is the elizabeth and morris glickman chair and political science at linfield university. Here's nicholas cola cola. I'm the author of the fires upon us. James baldwin william f. Buckley junior in the debate over race in america from baldwin's point of view buckley's. Moral failure was rooted in his unwillingness to see the life. The aspirations and the universal humanity hidden behind the dark skin. Buckley often claimed that the inviolability of the individual was at the heart of his political philosophy. This commitment was nowhere to be found in his reactions civil rights revolution. He worried about abstract individuals who might one day be violated by government while paying little mind to the destruction of real individuals right in front of him to respect the humanity of another baldwin argued. One must make a good faith effort to view the world through there is. This was something that buckley was unwilling to do. Although baldwin displayed a tremendous amount of forgiveness for oppressors for example sheriff. Jim clark and salmonella bama who he saw as more scared than evil. he had little patients for buckley. And his ilk in baldwin's human-like clark were trapped in a web of mythology. They did not really understand. And could not envision how to escape what was happening to the moral lives of men such as these baldwin argued was one of the most sinister things imaginable. He thought men like buckley. Were in a different moral category. These men he claimed were not unwitting and frightened human beings trapped in webs of delusion they were responsible for creating and maintaining these webs order to advance agendas that had little to do with the well being of clark or anyone like him. Buckley baldwin believed new better and have the ability to exert a considerable amount of influence in the world for these reasons. Baldwin concluded some of the bloodshed as a result of the american. Racial nightmare was on buckley's hands. This is elena passarella. And you're listening to the twenty twenty. One oregon book award announcement a special episode of the archive project. The finalists for the sarah win amok award for creative. Nonfiction are yellow bird oil murder and a woman search for justice in indian country by sierra crane murdoch ground truth a geological survey of a life by ruby mcconnell the mountains of paris by david tracing the desire line a memoir essays by melissa mathison and denali a man a dog and the friendship of a lifetime by ben moon and the winner is yellow bird oil murder and a woman's search for justice in indian country by sierra craig murdock. This book is a work of literary journalism about an eric. Hara woman say yellow bird and her search for a white oil worker who went missing and twenty twelve from the fort. Berthold indian reservation in north dakota sierra murdoch's journalism and essays have appeared on this american life and in harper's the new yorker online and the atlantic. She lives in hood river. Here's ciera murdoch. My name is sierra crane murdoch. And i'm the author of yellow bird oil murder and a woman search for justice in indian country. A man once told me a story of how he dug up the bones of his relatives and help them in his hands. He is an old man now than he was young. He said he took the job. Because there were no others on the reservation and because the work was easier if a man did not think too hard about who's bones. He was handling. The reburials began in the summertime in nineteen fifty two after the ground thought and the grass hung heavy with would ticks. There were sixteen men. He said two of them native in a former from louisiana. The former did not seem to care. Or perhaps you did not notice when some of the men were careless with the bones and posed with them in various positions. The young man carried but did not say anything. He went on with his work. He placed the fragments in pine boxes. Nailed the boxes. Shot marked them with the names which the bones apparently belong. The work lasted two summers. But the young man stay just one and then enlisted in the marines. His father who had died the year before was among the first laid in the new churchyard on the grasslands at rose from the missouri river to the east edge of the reservation the other families had left their villages by this time in winter when the river froze the army corps of engineers lifted houses onto pallets and pulled them off the ice. It would not be time to move all of the houses. No were there. Be time to dig. Every grave people would tell stories of heading for the bluffs turning now and then to watch the water rise though. It did not happen quite like this. When the garrison dam was finished the river came up slowly into the creases of the valleys palm. Billing i the ditches for fields and then climbing steps and spilling onto floors the finalists for the angus bowmer award for drama are the delays by sarah gina. Cardi you cannot undo this action by connor. Flir how the light gets in by am lewis the measure of innocence by anya pearson and recent unsettling events by andrea stola wits and the winner is you cannot undo this action by connor. Isler in connor's play a name. Posted online leads to deadly outcomes for students at two high schools. Connor is a writer actor and sometimes banjo picker. He currently works at an independent bookstore and he lives in portland. Here's connor i flew. My name is connor. Is and i'm the author of you cannot undo this action. The story follows ronin a confused. Young man who after feeling jilted carelessly posts. The name of robin one of his classmates on an internet forum. The post has deadly consequences when it sets the stage for a hate. Crime populations of two local high schools are jolted into shock. Grief and anger is students. Realize how deep and wide vulnerabilities have become in such a hyper connected. World lane haunted by visions of their friend. Robin slough south the cause of their friends murder and take justice into their own hands. The play seeks to ask cowger to live in a world in which stay safe. It's not enough to simply not engage with a nasty and dangerous elements of online life even when we do everything to defend and insulate ourselves from the bad actors lurking in the shadows of the likes of eight chan and cunanan. We ended the people we love can still find ourselves. Targeted or cotonou splash damage of what goes on on line. One of the plays most distinguishing features. Is that being that. It is concerned with the role of social media. Our lives a lot of the script scenes take place between characters messaging one another and interacting. Digitally lines are peppered with emojis and debris and even a handful of gifts or shifts. If you prefer this is all to be achieved with neither the use of prop phones are pantomime smartphones and especially no screens actors. Look each other directly when they're in real life together and when they're on their phones they don't this requires some clever staging and deft acting both of which is lucky enough to have the place premiere production just before the pandemic want to extend special. Thank you to jamie miller. Artistic director of southwest stage works match redskin director of teen west as well as the director. Dromedary and also the fiercely talented and dedicated students of now to be wells high school for all their courage and hard work. We asked oregon's poet laureate an east ghani to present the stafford hall award for poetry. Hello this is a niece. 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Episode 347: Can Cuba Break Free of Communism?

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Episode 347: Can Cuba Break Free of Communism?

"An uprising in cuba texas democrats. Flee the state and eric adams victorious or presumptively victorious in new york. City will discuss all this more. On this edition of the editors which larum join joined by alexander van de sanctis the sage of authenticity woods. Jim geraghty amateurism bitter michael brandon door. You're listening to a nashville podcast or sponsors this episode of x. chair in made in more about them in due. Course if you listen to podcasts. On nash review dot com delighted to have you be easier for you and better for us. You made us part of your feet at any of the streaming services out there from spotify. The i tunes like what you hear. Please consider giving us a glowing five star review on i tunes. If you don't like what you hear here please forget. I said anything so. Jim geraghty huge events in cuba on sunday. The spontaneous protests erupted all around the country. They started in a town. I forget whether it was on the western side or the eastern side of the island but were quickly spread that this was happening in other cities. I think on sunday the about two dozen cities and towns where you had protests and this is just really unprecedented in cuba than we think close to it would be there a protest in nine hundred ninety four but really hyper localized in havana. Actually fidel castro showed up himself. And help stamp out this unrest and i think about thirty five thousand. People ended up fleeing cuba after that one. And then you look a protest activity and it's really the ladies in white who Jay nordlinger writes about All the time. These women who they're the wives or female relatives of dissidents who have been jailed disappeared. And we're talking. Doesn't you know to dozens of a lady's going to a town square and often getting beaten up there incredibly courageous but to have thousands of people showing up in the streets all over the country and was Recording early tuesday afternoon it was repeated on monday. This is a big deal. What you make it is a big deal. It is not one hundred percent clear. What's happening so far today of the cuban regime Wants to do everything possible to keep these images from leaving the country to get people a sense of of you know that there is this popular uprising in the streets against the regime They you know it's one of those things like this may not necessarily be the end of the cuban regime the communist regime that has oppressed the people there for now multiple generations but something has changed. Something is different for you. Know the usual idiots. Ben rhodes sang's oh. This shows the harshness of the embargo has always been there The what's changed in the last couple as well you know. Besides they've always had refreshing. They've always had The embargo they've always had economic times. But were they haven't had is one covid and kobe. Really didn't cuban all that bad because of the lack of travel in and out but into the tourism industry there and that started having economic squeeze and there has been outbreak in the has been very tough to get vaccines in cuba. I think those of us on the right would be foolish to dismiss vaccines and covid. Nineteen thousand a factor in this. But i also think it'd be that the early statement from the by the administration basically made it sound like this was a pro vaccination. Protest is not really an accurate description of it in monday's jolt. I kind of walked through and look to pass things. Not just star A. j. Written but marian seo grady over the wall street journal There's this dissident artists sin is is is see drove movement. And the kind of most interesting. There's been this rap song entitled patrick evita fatherland or life which is either kind of mocking or or a parody or taking the slogan fatherland or death which was fidel castro's slogan back in nineteen sixty and at. It's been this huge hit. And it's very clear you know they rattle off these lists of grievances about poverty repression and misrule and they declare it is over and we are not afraid now. What has changed between all the past times which the cuban people have been oppressed by their government. Now well could. Well be the between covid. Lack of vaccines and the economic oppression. They don't feel like they've got that much left to lose. One of the things that makes this regime keeps us regime in our is yes. We'll beat you up if you speak out against the regime and yes will disappear people yesterday but we give you just give quote free. Healthcare as bernie sanders keeps reminding us. And we take care of you so that makes it. Okay that's what makes us such terrific the other thing that you can't help but notice that look. We've had fidel castro in charge for decades. We had we'll castro who stepped down as head of the regime back in april. And look. maybe not. All cuban leaders interchangeable. The regime still has the upper hand. Yes the regime still has the guns. That's a really significant advantage in that but There may not be that same cult of personality. They're not there may not be that same personal loyalty to The current leader who Who was mocking him. When he would walk into the streets. It was a miguel diaz canal. Who's the president net of the communist party when he went into san antonio delos. Bono's so look. I don't think this is necessarily give. We're going to see freedom. Developing and cuba overnight. But if you hate that regime. And i do. This is a good sign and hopefully we can do what we can. And the statement from the the second statement from the biden administration was pretty good. Probably not what you would have expected. From the vice-president of barack obama went and travelled and held at castro raul castro's and seemed like things. Were getting to be buddy buddy down there. The other thing. I can also notice is Havana syndrome the idea. That our diplomatic staff and folks down there Beginning attacked by some sort of weapon. That's causing these kinds of brain injuries and stuff like that One more reason to just you know cooperate with this regime in any possible way and do anything we can to help Push towards the top line so and they d. You are famously. Skeptical of freedom grounds. 'cause you hate freedom. You're great advocate of of freedom. Charlie's not here disagree with that characterization. So so we'll just stipulate for the record you are a great advocate freedom but You know movements like this oftentimes go wrong. Where where where. Where are you on this. How much do you welcome it. Do you fear needed out of consequences. Oh we'll well listen. i am like i think. Media readers will pick up the pattern for me which is that. I tend to be much more enthusiastic about freedom movements. When i believe it's freedom that's at stake when you know which hong kong people remember as enthusiastic about the movement there and enthusiastic about cuba's movement I don't think that this is has some dark side that we're not seeing or that. There's like some disguise thing as i have in you know other places like ukraine or hungary You know this is about a horrible communist government and what's happening. I think gyms right the cove it is. Put pressure on the cuban medical system which you know used to be. Supposedly the one redeeming feature of cuban government. You know the way. The subways were in in eastern europe It's never been true he would still has crappy health care But the key government can't do the kind of things that other richard western governments have been able to do which is to provide some sort of cushion for kovic shutdowns and the kind of economic stress that the pandemic puts on the economy and for them. It's the tourist economy at shutdown Which is you know basically You know cuba's kind of beker State so that that's been a major source of economic stress and a larger one has been lost their patron. I mean whenever cuba loses a communist patron it has a significant economic crisis that this happened in the early nineties when the soviet union disappeared. It's happening now in. Venezuela's is a basket case. That can no longer subsidize cuban the economy through cheap oil and special deals so I'm i'm i have nothing but admiration for people that are going out and demonstrating for for liberty. Which is what the the the kind of calling card of this. Protest movement has been. And i i long for the day when this regime falls and we can normalize relations i think cuba has a potential to be incredible Nation in the caribbean and a leading one in that rosen And it will do so once it has its liberty and once it can establish real open connections with the cuban people that are in miami. So why why would you be pretty optimistic about that. Prospect is it. The you know the presence of so many exiles nearby career in the united states and the kind of inculcated our values and the importance of american style institutions because usually the history of these countries where the civil society has been crushed for decades. Isn't a good one when the when the oppressor goes away. I don't know. I mean listen there's Poland has had what twenty years of four percent economic growth You know obviously. They had the help of the european union as well i think. Cuba has the rudiments of of growth and a prosperous society in it. I mean sometimes when you get a communist economy. The official economy is total basket case. But you have real entrepreneurs in the black market And they'll come out in and they're going to have support and capital coming in from the cuban american community. So i i am. I am optimistic about a post-communist future in cuba. It's just. I have no idea like others how you get there. I like. i have no idea whether this regime is on the brink of collapse. Yeah or whether because it has the guns it can hold on for much longer. I mean this is a survivor regime. Yeah it's just lost. It is lost so many patrons and you know. China doesn't seem interested in coming in to rescue it Which is what. I think would have to happen so i i. I'm open to any possibility in the near term future. Yes so zan the core competency of this regime. It's terrible it everything except for suppressing dissent. And we're beginning to see that we've seen people getting beaten up in the streets by security forces Oftentimes playing close. We've seen arrests of top leaders of the resistance including one. I was just looking at that. One carlo sopo tweeted by the way for not following carlo. And you're interested in what's happening cuba. You really missing out. please follow one carlo. Just he's a great guy And really cute on a lot of stuff especially this but The the security forces are gonna be out in force and they. They're gonna do everything they can to intimidate people to quieting back down and making as many arrests as they possibly can say. I don't know whether i i Finished my thought about the what. One carlo had tweeted. Which was someone being arrested live on tv. A freelance independent journalist was on camera. As part of the conversation about this in the security forces showed up and just took her way. I wonder you know you mentioned only started talking about this. I the last time there is any anything. Like protests of this scale in cuba was nineteen ninety four and that was the year i was born so i definitely don't remember ever seeing anything like this in cuba in my lifetime and i think that's why this is different right the scale. This is clearly a lot bigger than anything. That's been tried before. And i wonder if because of that sort of the momentum of it first of all within the country itself might be enough to overpower to convince people to keep trying even though the government obviously is pushing back full force and we'll try and suppress it and i wonder to gym talking about the vaccine in how that might be part of it or rising coca rates cuba. I'm sure that isn't the whole explanation. Obviously there's much more going on here. But i think that's a much more acute trigger for what we're seeing than the typical right. Things have been bad in cuba the entire time that cuba has been communist. And i think there's a certain catalyst in the pandemic and in the lack of a vaccine there that's probably driving a greater degree of desperation. Perhaps on there has been in the past. I think it's getting a lot more natural attention right now. The issue is you know earlier in the administration Jen psaki was asked. I don't think biden's been asked directly up until now but she's been asked several times with the administration's stance on cuba was going to be. She sets early. We don't the person doesn't see much need to change things up or wouldn't give any sort of comment on it and now he's not feeling like he has to make these statements in support of the protests. Which is certainly wouldn't have expected given what we saw under the obama administration. So i think the fact that people are paying attention the fact that there's a stronger catalyst and far more people involved in the resistance right now than its typical at makes me more hopeful about the longevity of it. Yes oh Cuba's just been. The debate has been so annoying for so long for decades and the I've been reading about this national review I started reading national view. All these excuses for propaganda about the cuban regime and the forms examples of this are literacy and healthcare. And michael moore made movie sicko that extolled the cuban healthcare system bernie sanders challenged past absurd and despicable things. He said about cuba last year during the campaign said well look you know he. He launched a literacy literacy campaign. I could do without the authoritarianism. Put the literacy. Isn't that amazing. When the fact is castro inherited a fairly advanced country that on some important metrics was right up there with countries in europe and totally wrecked the place. And yes see. Rates went up from about eighty percent which was among the leaders in latin america. About one hundred percent. But that happened all over the place without anyone having to run a glock. Yeah i was really the only upside of bernie sanders. Getting the nomination is that when he was called out on this in a debate and you know the the traditional rule book or playbook for a candidate who got him barrio candidates that statement has stevens that are liability in the general election to say well bald in my thinking. You know i've learned. I just suddenly realized cuba's an oppressive country that doesn't justify you know Allegedly a good healthcare system but instead it really sound. I will go down to little havana and tell those people they don't know how good they had it back there they really came across as the Out of touch you know Lunatic old hippie who would just never accept You know the blunt honest truth and listing. He knew better than the Than people who lived in cuba and survived and gotten out of their new so it is infuriating. I do feel like this is a i. Don't see the same level of passion in the defense of it. I maybe it's because it's not fidel castro. And or maybe just the fact that the folks who thought that fidel castro was going to be more than a decent middle reliever for the yankees have died off that they're just not as active in politics. They as as they were that they're just not nearly as is not quite nearly as much of a sense of Americans being ago americans are the left being so You know invested in instead of defending the good name of the wants the castro regime and what is now You know some other guy you know but still a communist oppressive authoritarian regime. So ex question to you. Nbd the cuban regime. This is the beginning of the end of the cuban regime. Yes war no. I think yes. I actually think it's possible now that they don't have the internal political leadership in the party or the external sources of support maintain against any kind of real sustained internal pressure. So i'm i'm i'm hopeful i thinking is Now maybe to domestic that. I i think it's the best shot. They're spending a very long time. So i'll say yes garrity but i'm gonna. I'm gonna get a little bit of a caveat sometime in the next ten years. We will be taping from the national review. Bureau in havana a freaky freaky cuba. But and we will say that that event in early july those protests on that sunday where the beginning of the end. The end may have taken a very long time to get there. Yeah i agree with that. I don't think it's gonna be ten years. But i i have no. I have no idea long. It's gonna take. But i do think this is the beginning of the end of the regime because it's a sign that people aren't afraid in the same way they were before for what ever reason and talking to some people about this yesterday for comment a robot cuba and they just made the point like many of these of vicious but successful dictators fidel castro us very canny and very charismatic and rahul step down from that but he still had the castro name and this new guy just is not is not anything like that and yeah they're going to crack a lot of heads. Unfortunately it's going to be tragic and they got a lot of police. They got a lot of informers. And they'll do their worst and probably succeed here in the short term and stamping this out. But i think this is the beginning of the end of the the cuban regime and obviously the sooner the better and god bless all the people down there a putting it all on the line for freedom with that. Let's hear from our first bonsor this episode x. 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We got some drama cooking in texas where there was a voting law is being considered a couple months ago but democrats Fled the chamber. So there wasn't a corum so couldn't pass but not veer texts. Republicans we're going to do it in a special session. But lo and behold the democrats in the legislature have absconded with a case of like beer. Would it make. I guess it's it's not super surprising. I remember when this first happened in. May and governor abbot. The republican said while. We'll just you know forced to stay in session until they can drag past later. Democrats left to stay there. Republicans can vote on it. I was thinking to myself. Why would democrats not just do this again. Because of course other than the attacks from texas republicans which is to be expected. They got a lot of attention for doing it. Everybody was patting them on the back. They certainly got more attention than democratic. State legislatures State legislators and texas typically get out for staging this walkout and of course it was all based on this This lie right that an election bill or a voting bill is necessarily jim crow. Two point which is what president and everybody else on the left. It's been saying for the entire year So of course they're gonna now get up to dc where they've said they're going to be lobbying in congress for the democrats Voting bill or whatever they're terrible. hr one so. I think there wasn't really much incentive for them to show up in republicans passed still republicans. Have numbers to do it. They can't vote. They don't have the numbers to vote without a The democrats to be there for that. So i guess knock would be able to do it. i heard greg. Abbott is now saying he's going to have the democrats arrested when they arrived back in the state. I don't know what to make of that whether that's going to pan out But it will be interesting to see whether they do manage to vote on the go. And then i i suppose pass it yet so go back and see when in the morning jolt. But i went through the history of State legislators suddenly you know to say let's say we're out of here. I guess was back in june when the democrats in texas where i talk about this and you go back. Two thousand and one democrats in oregon state house did it Oh by the way. The republicans did this and twenty nineteen twenty twenty and twenty twenty one unsurprisingly democrats including the when back in two thousand one democratic leader was a woman named kate. Brown said the walkout was very appropriate. Under the circumstances under certain circumstances fair to say with all use tails would use all tools available to us and stage a similar boycott fast forward two decades when kate brown is the governor of oregon. It's terrible it's absolutely unacceptable. That senate republicans would turned their back on their constituents who they are honor bound to represent here in this building that to return to do the jobs elected to do. And you go back you find. It happened in texas back in two thousand three wisconsin state. Legislators probably get the most attention back in two thousand and eleven democratic legislatures in indiana. Try the same thing that same year and almost everybody in politics believes that when their party is fleeing over state lines. You know forcing samuel gerard to unleash the hounds to go chasing after them like the the fugitive or something like that although we do what we're doing because we're standing up for democracy were standing up for the rights of the minority in a legislature with the other guys. This is just a partisan stunt these got everybody's ludicrous hypocrites on this. The other thing is if you were going to do it. Look the most. This is a delaying tactic. Because sooner or later you've gotta get back there and do work so you can't say well we're gonna stay over in washington dc or wherever they're hiding for the rest of the session related to get back to your job at that point you'll have the quorum. You'll have the majority and you'll be able to pass the majority of the past but they want so. It works as a delaying tactic. But i don't really think texas republican okay. Well you fled to washington. So we're we're going to give up. We're gonna pass this and the other thing is that if i'm the texas democrats and i wanna do some spent like this. Maybe you're gonna break in lots of donations but one don't share on social media the images of the case of miller lite wrought so first of all. If you're going to get shiner bock gets under a local beer that you're going to second thing. Don't charter a plane because of the charter plane. They're all taking southeast and bill. They're not wearing masks when you're a democrat. You don't have to wear masks lease on a charter for anybody on a charter flight doesn't have to. That's just one more irradiation. Let's face it. Texans probably notice these sorts of things and then the third thing is apparently i saw some fundraising tweet. It's like we don't know how long we're going to have to stay in these hotels in d. c. So please donate now. I also the mini bars. Really expensive you know all of this struck me as tone death but maybe there are democrat liberal activists across the country who love it. I don't know how it's going to shake out. I don't think this is a long-term winning strategy for democrats. It's the filibuster with frequent flyer miles. Yes oh Jim's point nbd this is something that parties engaged in over the years. You go back to lincoln in illinois when he was in the legislature. There was a fight over state-bank in There's procedural question where the whigs wanted to deny. The democrats have a quorum. So lincoln a wig collier kind of monitoring what was going on in the floor and the democrat leader said you know let's have the surgeon arms detain the whigs so he can get a quorum and ended up jumping out this window for floor window to run away which didn't end well for them. They got a mock mercilessly for this. But this is the kind of maneuver that that happens fairly often. And unless you're really willing to stay away you know for months eventually have to give in and go back. And they're going to be things happening in texas where they're gonna want be back including redistricting but if you really take this to the logical conclusion they just stay away and come back well. Presumably the loser seats but it does kind of call and question the legitimacy of the legislature. You could see this going in a really bad way. Yeah i mean. It's it's it's also just kind of infuriating. Do this weird calvin ball where obstruction by the minority party. In the us senate is anti democracy by obstruction by the minority party in the texas legislature is democracy and I don't know. I one of the things that's notable to me is that texas kind of is a natural seat for. I think a lot of stunts. And i think we're gonna see a lot more of this from democrats in the future or increasing tempo. A kind of i. When i saw texas democrats were doing this. It reminded me a little bit of like wendy. Davis is protesting against abortion laws in texas. And she kind of became a national minor national political figure four for that although she hasn't been able to win much in texas and it just speaks to texas's place of this is a massive economically successful red state with a blue minority that is feels itself to be ascendant and you know potentially stalking Statewide power in the medium term future You know it's a it's a state with liberal cities like austin increasingly dallas that you know people in new york and dc can connect to and sometimes travel to sometimes move to. So you know. I just think you have a recipe for more and more of this this kind of thing but they're gonna lose it's just guess good party fundraising for now. And it's driven by the hysteria over the texas voting bill where the most prominent provisions are an end to drive thru voting and twenty four hour balloting. Which we're supposed to be covert emergency provisions. And obviously the fate of democracy doesn't hinge on whether there's driving voting drive thru voting or not or there's never been democracy in america really except for In a future sticks and twenty twenty. But they've convinced themselves that these sort of bills are going to suppress the vote and our frontal assault on our democratic institutions. Yeah it strikes me that this democrats get so much of what they want policy wise. It's you know the the stimulus bill passed earlier. this year was under the guise of being Relief bill but intact most of the stuff in it. Most of the spending wish Wildly disproportionate anything required by the pandemic and in fact much it was unrelated entirely to the pandemic with these voting bills. These are as you say. Most of the provisions are to reverse or undo. Or i guess end things that were put in place because of the pandemic that are now no longer necessary and of course democrats at the time were saying. Oh we have to put these in place so that people can vote despite fear of illness and not being able to get to the polls and whatever else no one's saying we're gonna put these employees forever or else we don't have a real democracy or people's voting rights or endanger danger but now that those things are in place you know. Walking them back is a threat to democracy. It's the same as during the pandemic had people on the left abortion rights activists saying okay. We have to be able to get a chemical abortion pills. Mailed to their homes without ever having an in person or even a tele. Med appointment with a doctor They have to be able to have straight to their home with no in person consultation so this was put in place in a lot of places during the pandemic and then you go to try and roll it back and these groups are suing the federal government over safety regulations requiring women to go back to in person meetings to meet with a doctor before getting chemical abortion pill. That's always have it goes. They take an inch winter. Gza danger of some kind or a guys were to do it and they refuse to let go. And that's what we're seeing with. The voting goals You know the all star games. This week i think today actually and moose supposed to be in atlanta and it wasn't. They ended up pulling out in atlanta. Because of the fate controversy over what was another basically innocuous voting rights bill or voting bill that the left tried to make out like it was jim crow two point oh and they got away with it so it's pretty ridiculous. I think it's how they do on most to get what they want and and make it look like they're not doing anything controversial than here. I thought you were american. You don't know the all star game this. Did you watch the by the way meeting watched the what the derby. Yeah i didn't actually kinda been bored with it ever since Hamilton's performance what was that a decade ago or took it in half. Yeah and then he lost. He ended up losing it. Just i don't know the derby yankee stadium that that was classic. Well i i got sucked in. Because i was so eager see otani and i was hoping he hit thirty homers in the first round. But he's he's overly pulling the ball hitting line drives down in the corner and he was up against one soto and they. They ended up tied twice and then soda one won the tiebreaker. But your man fonda one. And and i think hit thirty four thirty. Five home runs maybe. Thirty four yeah. I mean he's he's he's a beast and he he's going to be a contender in this for another half decade. I think so anyway. Jim garrity extra question to you. The voting bill will eventually pass texas legislature. Yes or no. No equivocation allowed. Yes yes and that'll help. The texas stems fundraise to zam. Yes i think the answer is yes. We're unanimous about that with that. Let me pause. We'll hear from our next sponsor. This week made in cookware. How does your favorite restaurant consistently makes such delicious food. 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What he makes it. I mean this is as much as can be it's kind of a victory for sanity in new york I'm not confident. Eric adams is going to be a great mayor by any means but He did run the most seen campaign a campaign which he emphasized was a former cop That he cared about ending the surge in violent crime in new york as as i issue That the whole city's future depended on doing this Because searching grime. Just drive out your most fabulous wealthy residents to the hamptons or to alternate cities it also keeps worst way And new york's kind of native economy Needs those people to come back. But he's a weird guy. I mean he has a weird history in the nineties. He kind of hung out with farrakhan and then hung out with republicans You know he's just us kind of genuinely weird person And you know. i hope. It was a humbling political rebuke to progressives. He's still going to have the difficulty. That i think is is kind of emerging one for democrat executives at either at the gubernatorial level or at the mayor level. Which is can he overcome the pressure from organiz lobby groups in the left that want to defend police or from or khanate overcome the reticence of prosecutors and attorneys general who were elected by progressives in order to not prosecute crimes and violent criminals and i think the the big action on this is kind of in the realm of gun rights. Which is that Some of these progressive soros-funded prosecutors. They they tend to pick a legal gun possession as the the test crime to not enforce so that they don't so that they can repair disparate outcomes. And there's kind of legacy of not enforcing gun regulations around guns. That goes back to stop and frisk Which did get out of hand. And you know. That's where they are. But then you'll see cuomo complaining. And maybe you'll soon see. Eric adams complaining that most of the gun crew violent gun crime in the city is caused by people who illegally possessed their gun. And so i think that's kind of exactly the point of molten lava I would look at. That's where the the fights going to be suzanne. Yeah the atoms campaign was very reminiscent of the biden campaign which was at the outset the presidential race. You know what. I don't think the twitter thing is very real. I think there's still this other democratic party out there that is an extremely woke. An adams had approach from the beginning. He emphasized the issue of crime from the start to the finish when elsie weighed in and endorse. This progressive candidate. Widely would be very easy to kind of bend. He didn't at all and it was a winning strategy. Lo and behold in a democratic primary in new york city. I found it a bit surprising. Although i guess it does make sense that the primary ended up being as close as it was because i figured while democrats at large are not nearly as as far left as what we see on the national stage i think biden's campaign in the primary proof that new york city is obviously among the most liberal places in the country. And i really don't think you know given how narrow that margin. Was that absent the last year or so what we've seen going on across the country and in particular the way it affected new york that a candidate like him could have won their To stick as i think most people there are are kind of unthinkingly progressive. Fine basically with how the city is for three years i. It's just very very progressively liberal. And i think people like that want the you know they don't care if it's bill de blasio or somebody else long as things are working fine for them and i think that's where the problem came in for the progressive candidates is that things really haven't been going fine and a lot of that is out of control obviously out of any politicians control but a lot of it isn't and he's done a terrible job and he's very progressive so i think there's there was an opening there for somebody to come in and say. Hey actually maybe you know. The police should have the ability to deal with crime and shouldn't just let these kind of quality of life things go because you know for whatever reason that matters and we're seeing people leaving the city and that matters. I think he kind of was perfectly positioned given the context Have an opportunity to win. And of course. I think will win the whole thing. So jim nez. Md was referring to. There's been a focus on illegal guns. You had cuomo issuing these various executive orders. And i think there's going to be an anti-crime unit now on the health department of of new york or something insane like that. The folks on guns is appropriate but we know what works in this context which is to send cops and the hot spots and stop people that they suspect reasonably are carrying illegal guns and stopping them and frisking them and they have illegal guns arresting them and if they're arrested for having a gun prosecuting them. That's what works and the the rest of this stuff. I view basically as invasion and away to avoid grasping at nedal. Yep there's no getting around the fact that atoms by being a former cop for twenty two years Former left the. Mvp is a captain. Just aesthetically he's a different mayor because he comes from the law enforcement community. You presume you're gonna see a ton of demonization of the police. Like a saw hundred de blasio. His campaign was being in a crime. Wave and so there was this recognition of reality there. There wasn't there a bunch of the other candidates. And i think one of the things that probably a week or two ago Peggy noonan the wall street journal is one of my favorite columnists really wrote a column just gushing but really you know giving a great rave review to atoms and boy. I'd love to believe that off this. This just you know how you know. The havana protests might be seen as a turning point. I'd love to think boy you know. New york was really in rough shape but we elected adams and that got things going. I'm not convinced that's going to be it You know part of it. is you know. Apparently it's a very liberal district attorney. Who's got exactly. There's all the problems of all the all the attitudes that caused this extra exacerbating of crime in new york city You know. I don't know if new york city's overton window so to speak has been moved enough There's really no reason to think that adams is going to be giuliani two point. Oh and i kinda think that. In order to reduce crime in a place like new york city. You need a mayor who just committed to it and i think ghadames is pretty committed to it but i think he's got a guy who's willing to be unpopular in order to achieve this goal willing to really kick people off willing to really be hated because of the kinds of reforms. He's going to push through because he has faith in the long run by the time he faces those voters again. In four years these policies will generate results. Not sure about that without him. I think you'd like to do it. But he's got to be based more willing to take on the entire city bureaucracy itself and i'm not convinced you're going to see this huge change and let's keep in mind that like yeah. He won but he won. And this this extraordinarily complicated Ranked choice voting system and under the final two. He got fifty one point one percent so not exactly he really big strong argument of. Oh i won. This resounding resounding mandate that you know every everyone else in the city possibly could dispute so sake. That's perfect segue to the exit question. Jim do you first. Nbd rate your confidence. That eric adams will get a firm grip on the crime situation in new york city once he is inaugurated as mayor from zero to ten zero. You have no confidence at all ten. You know you know for certainty. This'll be giuliani to point. -o in terms of public safety iron. Say he's going to say six. I think he has a heads start potentially do think as the post covid economy emerges to bring more people back into the workforce. Maybe we'll we'll see a natural dropping crime. I know we've said that other other places haven't seen the crimewave that the united states did. I still think it matters and So yeah i. I think he'll work to repair the morale of the police. Which is Has been in a very difficult spot last three or four years zam. I'd say six or seven. I think things are bad enough. That he's gonna feel like he has to follow through and will not be. He's already he's not doesn't really care. Progressive are angry with him For sticking to that. Jim guarantee your cellular skeptical. Put a number on it. Five point five and the reason that he'll he'll clear the low bar of better than blasio. How much better is probably be very debatable. For years from now Exactly with you jam except for a point five. I'm at five. 'cause i think this is something obviously centerpiece of his campaign. He's gonna feel compelled to deliver on to the extent he can but no one was Whose fault law enforcement issues closely of new york over the years was was much of a an eric adams fan prior to this campaign and there are things that are out of control like the idiotic bail so-called reforms that new york state past plus they'll be just massive political resistances. Jim was referring alluding to earlier is not as though every progressive in in new york is going to vaporize and become an adams eight overnight so i think it will improve the calling me a little a little skeptical down at a five with that. Let me do a quick and plus plug if you're not signed up for our plus urge you to join tens of thousands of your fellow national review readers. It's your way to dispense with metered paywall at national review dot com which is increasingly extensive in hardened difficult to get around. Don't bother with having to try to find a way around it. 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It's just been a great like project kind of joyful one and it fits with my theme on these light items. Last few months of like this post covid life opening up again So yeah thrilled with that. So jim gary your uncle kwan recently. Yeah and it's without revealing the precise location of authenticity woods. It's only about a half hour away if you drive down to ninety five past washington. Dc you go over the river. You might see a little bit of a harbor on one side of the other nuggets okay. Let's clean us. We'll turns out this historic downtown. Quan quan which is Really just tucked in along the river. There's enormous amount of civil war even pre-civil war history there. Lots of neat. Little chachi shops antiques and My son's had you know that the guy at the fudge shop was giving them free samples of just about everything Getting good wired for the rest of the day Had a nice lunch and of course the a frozen custard place. Just charming as all. Get out and it's really gets in my backyard. I guess that half hour away and driven past lots of times finally have been able to enjoy it. And that's terrific so my neck of the woods. Go check it out suzanne. We've heard about this before but you've actually started reading a new book. I have and i mentioned on the podcast on hopes that it will impel to read it all the way through rather than getting sidetracked on many books as i usually do. But it's called the rise and triumph of the modern south by carl trueman. I know it's been written about on. National review came out at some point last year in lots of lots in the conservative world. Enjoyed it people who might trust That i figured it was time for me to to sit down and read it. And thus far i've really been enjoying it. I think he puts his finger right on a lot of Sort of why. We are where we are in not just in a superficial way like a lot of political theory books tend to do. In my opinion abby relate dick steepen. there's so just prior to log onto this podcast. I did megan. Kelly podcast debate slash discussion with one of the authors of the new york times op. Ed david french and others. Guy named camille foster about the state level. Crt laws in the phenomenon in general and what we should do about it in megan's just so awesome. She's smart she is engaging curious in fair minded so this was a wonderful discussion. I think is about an hour and forty five minutes and it's no surprise to me that megan has been picked up by serious for a show on their network and the the The more megan kelly we can get in the media the better as far as i am concerned with that. It's time for editor's picks. Mba what's your pick are a pair of pieces by cameron. Hilditch cameron is our william f. Buckley fellow he hails from northern ireland. And you could guess at one point. Charlie cook had to pull him. And i often each other from a tremendous fight about something a century ago but Cameron is a great young talent and he wrote two pieces on critical race. Theory in the classrooms. How critical race theory gets into the classrooms and a response to the new york times and he's just a sharp tack thinker on matters of education and pedagogy and it's kind of a fitting william f. Buckley fellow as william f. Buckley began his career writing about just the same in god and man at yale. So shut up to cameron very nice. My pick is an essay by one of our summer interns sarah. Weaver called homeschool perspective on critical race theory. And she very stupid points out that she despite not being in a traditional school at all somehow managed to learn all about slavery. Jim crow the wickedness of racism. Right there in her home At in her very valuable home education and she goes on to explain why her in her understanding and her view critical race theory is not necessary for getting a real education about these things. Any mccarthy has a good headline but a good entire piece afghanistan exit but no strategy There's no getting around the fact. Afghanistan is a thorny issue. We've had debates on this podcast. You seem pretty much every perspective for the pages national review going on twenty years now. Not only do. I agree with andy mccarthy. I think one of the most depressing paragraphs. I've read Is his assessment in the conclusion quote after trillion dollars and thousands of americans killed and wounded. All we have to show for. Twenty years of effort is the naive hope. Another september eleventh is not going to be brought about by the same forces that are stronger today than they have been at any time since september tenth. Two thousand one andy. I wish you didn't have to write that. But i'm glad somebody did. So my pick is the next print issue of national review with a monster special issue devoted to china which in all likelihood will be a generational issue for this country across all sorts of realms we try to cover everyone of those important realms in this issue. I think it's it's going to be fantastic. And i think my colleagues But especially mark right. Jason storage for all. They they did to put this issue together which was a month long effort. So that's it for us. Human listening to a podcast rebroadcast. Re transmission or account of this game without the express written permission of nationally. Magazines strictly prohibited. Podcasts have been produced by the incomparable. Sarah should he makes it sound better than we deserve. Thank you jim. Thank you thank you. Nbd thanks to x. chair and made in. Thanks especially to all of you for listening. What are the editors. See you extra.

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Speechless with Michael Knowles

James Wilson Institute Podcast

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Speechless with Michael Knowles

"This program is brought to you. By the james wilson institute on natural rights in the american founding. If you'd like to learn more about the james wilson institute please visit james wilson institute dot org. We hope you enjoy the program. Hello and welcome to the genes wilson. Podcast i'm your host garrett's networker today. We're delighted to be joined by author. Michael knowles michael recently wrote speechless controlling words and controlling minds from regna publishing. He's also the host of the michael. Knowles show a podcast. The daily wire the book club podcast sponsored by prager university and verdict with senator ted cruz. Michaels appeared regularly on the fox. News channel and other major networks and his writings been featured at the daily wire. The american mind fox news in the daily caller. He's a graduate of yale university and he's lectured across the country. Also joining us on. The podcast is sean. T han one of our interns at the james wilson institute. Sean on you get started. Thank you michael joining us this afternoon. So the beginning of the interview we often like to ask guests to kind of state. The raison-d'etre for the book article that we discuss would speechless. It's timelessness himself apparent You but you clearly have intended audience for your book. The vast majority of conservatives who think that things are now going in the direction that they're on the side of the expression. What else could we need but with your book a metaphorically gripping the shoulders and telling them just saying free speech absolutism will not save us so please tell us what you're trying to do for this audience especially a more conservative findlay conservative types in some cases during my book tour i have literally taken conservative by the shoulders and shake in them and said free speech. Absolutism will not be enough. you've hit the nail on the head. The the book itself is a history of political correctness. That is what it tracks going back to the nineteen twenty s to the present. The reason i wrote it is because we all seem to agree that political correctness has gotten out of hand. We all seem to agree that one of if not the most pressing political challenges in the country conservatives have been fighting this scourge for thirty years at least and yet. We haven't made any headway. We haven't conserved any ground in many ways. It seems that the harder we fight against political correctness the more ground we lose and so this is a strange question and i don't think that anyone had given satisfactory answers to why that was so i wanted to explore the the question a little bit and what i came to learn. I was researching the history of this intellectual movement and its political effects. It was a very hard truth namely that the left i think understands free speech and censorship better than the right does so i think we conservatives to flatter ourselves and say we understand free speech and you leftist you. Just don't understand it. But i think actually the left understands it better than we do. I think that their political theorists activists have been much more incisive and effective at advancing their agenda and i think that if conservatives want to be able to impede pc or regain any ground could you imagine we. We need to learn some lessons from that. Because i think i think political correctness lays a subtle trap for conservative. So i don't mean to be too harsh on them. Even as i take them by the shoulders and shake them and the subtle trap is this. Pc sets out to up end. Society's traditional standards that i think the purpose and function of political correctness and so when conservatives react to pc by declaring themselves free speech absolutists or something like that by by abandoning standards altogether and saying that you ought to be able to say and do whatever you want whenever you want to do it. That ironically actually plays into the hands of political correctness. Even if you're saying i'm not going to go along with your new speech code by abandoning standards and speech entirely. You're actually giving the left. What it wants namely the destruction traditional standards and so i think that pc has progressed to the point now where the restrictions on speech on perfectly ordinary speech. You know saying that a man is not a woman saying that Baby is a baby saying that. George washington was a good fella in america's a nice place the restrictions have become so very intense. I think that we are losing ta. I think there is still time. But we're we're losing opportunity to change course and try to regain some ground so michael one of the test cases that also serves as a nice historical. Comparison is the in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven case that eventually reached the supreme court of the nazis marching through skokie. And yet the at that point in in the seventies the aclu was defending the right of the nazis to march through skokie. But now it seems like the conservatives would have adopted the aclu position and now progressives would counter the nazis marching through skokie and so is your position that the progressives now understand the actual contours of speech more properly or is it that they've almost stumbled onto the problem with free speech absolutism in that In order to reject the nazis. We must be free to choose the nazis in the words of david hammer on the. Aclu's lead lawyer. At the time. I hate to take a less-than-charitable view of our our friends on the left. But an perhaps there were individuals who really did believe a lot of the slogans that they were pushing not just in the nineteen seventies with the skokie case for instance but but in the nineteen sixties as well with the free speech movement of berkeley. But i think in practice. The left's embrace of the open society academic freedom free speech absolutism. I think it was instrumental. I don't think it was a timeless principle that they were adhering to. I think they recognize that. It offered them the best opportunity to advance their political agenda. Which involved the upending and and resettling along their own lines of standards so for instance you see this forget the aclu. Even for a second berkeley california uc berkeley the free speech movement in the nineteen sixties to permit all sorts of radical ideas and activism on campus. From the left. Today when ben shapiro shows up to uc berkeley. The cops need to shut the city down. Six hundred thousand dollars security fees. The campus don't want him anywhere near there. It's one of the worst universities for free speech in the country. What changed did did everything. just did. They lose their timeless principles. No i think what happened is actually what the godfather of political correctness antonio graham. She called for all the way back in the early twentieth century namely the infiltration of all of the institutions the unsettling of all of the standards and then the resettling of standards on their own terms. This is in graham. She's words. The process of attaining cultural hegemony and waging a war of position whereby you go in. And you you use gradually take positions of power and then you have wrestled the common sense and you've wrestled the culture from the the previously dominant force. The probably clearest example of this was in the nineteen seventies with the second way feminists the second way feminists kooky is they may have been made some very important points when it comes to political tactics probably the defining essay for that movement was by carol hanisch and it posited that the personal is political. This essay described the radical new york women's groups that would invite otherwise happy complacent bourgeois housewives. And and stay at home mothers to come to their meetings. I refer to them as wine and cheese suarez with an h after the w. and the women would go to the meetings happy and they would leave furious because they had discovered during the meeting. How oppressed they were. They had had their consciousness raised to use some of the lingo from the era and the point that the new york radical women's groups were making is. Is that our personal activities who washes the dishes. What kind of sneakers we wear. What kind of foods we way that we relate to one another in another private way that actually carries political significance. We don't think that it does because we all just agree. We all happen to agree on these matters. Which is why they don't come up for debate. But their point is the current consensus is consent is conservative and so what you need to do is open up every aspect of life including the most intimate the most private truly. Who does the dishes and who does the laundry. Open that up to public scrutiny. So that when all of those previously settled standards are open for debate. They can be resettled along lines that are more advantageous to the left. And i think that's what happened with the left's embrace of free speech and frankly as an instrumental matter. I think that's conservatives are doing today. Conservatives never defended academic freedom for goodness sakes. The conservative movement began in at least in the post world war. Two era when william f. Buckley junior wrote a book making fun of academic freedom. It's called god and man at yale. The superstitions of academic freedom. He called it a hoax. Now we pretend to defend academic freedom but nobody really believes in. Nazi should be able to teach sociology at notre dame. Frankly i don't think that communist ought to be able to teach certain subjects either But but we all believe that there are taboos we all believe that certain things are off off limits if a nazi shows up to the water cooler and starts yelling sieg heil at his accounting firm. It won't it won't be cancelled culture when he loses his job. And so i think we need to recognize that justice. Liberty has limits. All speech regimes have limits and we need to learn the lessons from the left in how to shift those limits back into a place that i think is not just more advantageous to us politically but is just and right and good interim beautiful and i think those are very trenchant remarks particularly about the long march through the institutions being the first and foremost principle but just just to clarify Michael how would you advise a conservative. Maybe even a conservative lawyer to articulate a case against allowing the nazis to march through skokie in an ideal environment. I would do so very very carefully to quote antonin scalia. I had the privilege of meetings clear a couple of times when i was a student and we asked him during one of these meetings Mr justice how do you. Reconcile for instance story decisiveness with the original public meaning of the second amendment for. How do you reconcile the the gun. Control limits that you will accept in today's society with perhaps what ought to be the much broader view of the second amendment in an ideal world. How do you make sense of all of these things. Mr justice and his answer was very very carefully. So what i would recommend is that we apply a long forgotten. virtue probably the defining conservative virtue. Which is prudence. What i would recommend is that we look to what has worked in the past. What has led to flourishing in american life. What free speech has meant not in the abstract floating thin air but what it has meant in the actual tradition of the united states. And so you bring up the example of the nazis having their little march or something to me. That is not the first area that i would go after. I don't think that the nazis pose a particularly grave threat in the united states. Today i don't think this is a major social problem and even if the aclu has changed its position who cares. What the aclu. Thanks what i would go after. Is something a little bit more. Modest for instance obscenity from the very beginning of our country. No one ever thought that obscenity is somehow protected by the first amendment. Actually as recently as a dozen years ago the federal government jail to pornographer for nearly four years. Just for obscenity. Not for any other crime that he had committed. We still have obscenity laws on the books in the late nineteen ninety. You had republican house at democrat. Senate democrat president. Pass not one. But two laws. Trying to curtail obscenity on the internet. One was communications decency. Act which we're all talking about right now because of its section two thirty and its implications for big tech we forget the point of that law was anti indecency provisions for for the internet and unfortunately courts then gutted the central provision of that law there was another law passed child online protection act. It went even further. Didn't just go after indecent material. It went after any material that could appeal to prurient interest. That's still had bipartisan support. And again the courts held it up until until it just basically went away. But i think that you know. Thank you to justice potter for reminding me that you know it when you see it if we if we could simply assert the standard that we shouldn't have widespread hard core filthy violent ubiquitous pornography everywhere. And maybe that we should regulate it in some way and maybe that we the people actually have the capacities of reason and faculties of moral conscience and the political right to curtail those sorts of things. I think it would restore our confidence a little bit in terms of setting the standards because there will be standards. There there will be taboos that is true of every culture in the history of the world and certainly in the united states. The only question is what are those standards and who's going to set them and for the past at least couple of decades if not longer than that the right has basically seated that field to the left which is why the standards have gone so wonky Yes so continuing on this point. So legally you say that we should serve focusing obscenities and info all these traditional limitations on speech the amendment but how does a normal conservative like myself a student on a college. Campus stoke clawing away back into the culture without just fighting e seen as fully. Its own sake because it seems like this has to reach some sort of golden mean between free speech absolutism and no law means no law on one hand and on the other. Hand doesn't access. Being fighting being edgy. Just for the sake of being edgy. This is a very important point. And you see this problem in the culture of owning the libs and let me tell you just as a preface here. I love owning the lips. I think owning the lives has a very important place in political discourse. But you have to own the libs with a purpose and you have to own the libs within limits and you do not want to accidently own yourself while you were owning the lips and so the example. I see if this was some years ago. A student a conservative student was protesting safe spaces and all this sort of silliness where a student a liberal student. Here's an opinion that he doesn't like and so he has to go into a room with coloring books and puppies. These things really happened and so the student was was making a mockery of this in order to do that he wore a diaper and started dancing around outside to to show people how silly this was but of course he hadn't made a mockery of the safe spaces. He had only made a mockery of himself. It only made himself look ridiculous or i think. Even of gavin mcginnis whom i love. I think he's a terrific guy is extremely intelligent. And funny. Gavin mcginnis founded the proud voice organization. Which has had some troubles and it's changed over the years but the the central maximum of the proud boys was that they were western chauvinist. And don't forget. Gavin is a comedian is a very funny guy and so i think that this statement is intentionally hyperbolic. Nobody really wants to be a chauvinist. Chauvinism comes from nicholas. Show von this sort of legendary. French soldier who was maimed had all his limbs chopped off and took a million bullets through him but he loved his country so much and napoleon himself gave him all of these awards. It's excessive love. It's this excessive pride in successive care for for one zone. And so i. I recognize that the proud boys are coming into this. Because we're now in a culture where we're told that the west is terrible. America's awful. It's a terrible no good rotten place and you ought to be ashamed of it and so the padres are coming in. And they're going exactly in the other direction but you actually don't need to be excessive you don't need to be hyperbolic you can simply have a proper love of one's own country if you're going to deride leftists for their ridiculous safe spaces you can do so in a way. That does not make yourself ridiculous you can. You can actually stand by a standard. And i think this is one of the dangers of of the free speech. Absolutism is that people attempt to be shocking just for the sake of being shocking they they attempt to transgress even what would be their own. Moral norms. Just to show that we are so open minded. But but to go back to william f buckley junior when. He had a debate with leo churn on his on his program. Firing line in one thousand nine sixty six they were debating the future of mccarthyism and i think a lot of people in the audience were horrified to think that there might be a future for mccarthyism. And what what. Buckley responded to this question about the open society. Leo churn said. Listen bill you and i. The open society is essential to what we both stand for and buckley said. No it isn't i don't want society to be much more. Oh i think it's quite open already. I actually want society to be a little bit more close. T- said i am an epistemological optimist. An unfortunate phrase by which i mean. I think we can know things. And i'm not saying that we need to throw the nazi in the communist in prison. But i don't see any reason to keep them out either that we actually can settle certain questions. Here we all. We must do that as a society. All societies do that. The only question is what exactly is it that we're going to cancel actually to use that example in the nineteen fifties and sixties early sixties. At least you could be cancelled for being a communist today really you can be cancelled for not being a communist. All cultures are going to cancel. But but what is that standard by which one is cancelled a great a great line from your from your book michael and by forcing conservatives to reconcile their ob essence to process because of a belief that those processes are truly neutral in therefore impartial and virtuous I think it flies in the face of lived experience. And so that's been at the heart of our work. At the james wilson institute to show that process cannot ever take precedence over. Substance process is important but the substance the ends to which those processes are oriented is of course the most important characteristic so i want to demonstrate for our listeners. A certain kind of kinship. Between what michael you've done in your book and what i and my colleagues had the arcus and your pal josh hammer. We did. In a statement earlier this year critic criticizing conservative jurisprudence of better originalism. So i wanna play a quick game of guests who said what so this passage one conservative quibble over procedure but they largely leave the substantive issues alone even when the public largely agrees with their beliefs such as the cultural poll of political correctness in the end many if not most conservative seed. Leila abortion and mass migration. They simply advocate a different mechanism for achieving the same left wing end. Here's passage to. But our substantive concerns cannot be narrowed to the sole purpose of ensuring fair or neutral procedural rules as though democracy is all procedure and no substance as though we were free to choose genocide or slavery so long as we did it in a democratic way with the vote of a majority but neither can those ends be reduced to the purpose of maximizing individual liberty or individual autonomy as the liberty and autonomy. Were simply good in and of themselves regardless of the ends to which they were used well for our listeners. Michael wrote the first passage but that second passage sounded a lot a lot like what michael wrote in his book and that second passage was from a better originalism released this march so michael. What do you make of these arguments about process for processes sake and believing in any kind of outcome as long as it goes through a quote unquote neutral process. I have to tell you. I had a hunch that the first one was mine. But you have to remember. It's been a while since i wrote this book. It's been at least six months. No more than seven eight months. Since i sent it in and i i was a little uncertain. Also because conversations with josh hammer and other people helped to form some of the arguments in my book and i'm just so pleased to see it because the kind of work that you all are doing the kind of work that you're seeing spring from the From patrick actually also notre dame or from from other thinkers around the country. I think is is mercifully now. Putting an end to this really desiccated hollowed out conservatism. I hesitate even to call it. That of the past twenty years. The problem of course is that Free speech in the abstract doesn't mean anything to people who don't have anything to say and you will often hear this from conservatives. They'll say well. Michael you see the left when they are in positions of power they wield that power to their own political ends so goodness if we did that on the right why that would make us no better than they are anything well so you've described the procedure pretty well but actually there. There are different different in terms of what they are actually doing we. We seemed to forget on the right. That it matters not only how one can speak. But what one actually has to say. And so i think it's It's a sad turn of events that's happened. And as i the reason. I keep invoking buckley here is just to remind people that it didn't used to be this way. Even for much of the twentieth century conservatism. Even much of a late twentieth century conservatism. You didn't see this week. Feckless loser sort of the dignity. Now peterson of the claremont institute calls it the principal politics loser them. Yeah that was a beautiful way to put it. The principal politics of loser demands funny because the people who practice very often aren't all that principled. And i find. They don't have very much dignity but at least they pretend to. And this is a relatively recent turn of events and in part it may have to do with the influence. The outsize influence of libertarians on the conservative movement might have to do with the brief triumph of neo conservatism. Whatever that means now. I don't even know that word has been so defined and redefined but i do think that if we really cannot articulate The good and the true in the beautiful if we really cannot discern between true and false and right wrong then. We're totally lost. I think probably the climax of this debate was david friendships. Preposterous assertion. that drag queens story. Our is one of the blessings of liberty which would make james madison roll over in his grave. I want to be as fair as i can to david's point what he was saying and we'd heard it for twenty years. Is that if we tell perverts that they can't jiggle for kids in the library. Why then left might tell us. We can't go to church on sunday. Which first of all as a practical matter. They've already been telling us. We can't go to church for for the better part of the year now. But but even just as a as a broader matter. If you really can't discern between a pervert working for a toddler in a pastor preaching the gospel the new of embraced a skepticism so radical that. I don't think you have your faculties of reason. I don't think you have your moral conscience and so you don't you don't have the capacity for self government which this is why john adams says that the constitution demands moral and religious people. He wasn't he wasn't being a bible. Breathe far from it. It's just a fact of self government. He's just making a perfectly descriptive statement. And unfortunately you you you would have imagined that it would have been the right wing that would have stood by the old order in the old standards but but we seem to have been been utterly hollowed out and now the the only confident players in politics seem to be the radical left. You know. we're we're coming up. I think towards towards the end here. We would be bereft if we didn't note how your conclusion to you're not telling readers speed ahead to the last few pages but your conclusion really crests beautifully and some might call it toward the force might use another french phrase creed occur for conservatives to change the path that lately you talk about how conservatives cannot treat free speech as an end in and of itself as if that's the entire coherent worldview that they're putting forth you're calling for a higher set of ends that conservatives must articulate namely speech ordered towards her human flourishing in the good. How do you make the case to our friends that this vision and conception of free speech is something higher better than what they've understood to be. Now though i think i think maybe the argument is is at once prudential that they're making but to show that the prudence that they are relying on it might be a mirage or at least that's my thought. What do you think would seem to me that. Whatever prudence or free speech absolutists friends have suggested. His has been reckless. It's been rather imprudent because it hasn't worked. We haven't conserved anything. We haven't conserved the women's bathroom for goodness sakes today. Forget about even the distinction between men and women which were no longer allowed to acknowledge on social media platforms in many cases in public discourse in boardrooms and classrooms. But if you even make the more modest claim that we perhaps ought not to inject little kids with cross sex hormones you will face repercussions not yet legal. I suppose in all places although there are there are laws speaking to this and other various spots. But certainly you can face professional reprisals. You will face social reprisals. I mean just the fact that the three big tech companies control ninety percent of the flow of information on the internet the flat the fact that they control our public square that is by definition a political act and so clearly this this neutrality hasn't worked it's illusory and it always was. It's preposterous to think that i can teach any book. I want in a public school. I teach robin diangelo. I can teach mind comp for that matter. The one book can't teach the bible. The most important book ever written without which western civilization doesn't make any sense. That doesn't that doesn't seem right to me. Doesn't seem very neutral. The idea that i can engage in all manner of religious liturgies in school. I will engage in an earth day. Celebration for instance. I could engage in some radical racial and gender theories which are which are thinly disguised. Religious views in the case of transgenderism is just the nasdaq heresy being taught in public schools. But the one religious liturgy. I can't engage in is prayer. To god. If i'm in a public school that doesn't seem very neutral to me. Because of course secularism and liberalism are not neutral. They come with their own claims about about the metaphysical world about the nature of man about his relationship to the state. And and that is inescapable and when we when we talk about the virtues which we do so rarely these days. It's important to remember that courage is a virtue encourages. actually the prerequisite of all of the other virtues. Without courage one cannot enact any of those virtues at all and so i think we need the courage and the confidence to to say what we believe and and to actually believe things because surely what we have been trying to do has not worked and so even if you. You're skeptical of what i consider to be a fairly modest course correction though though it would be. I think it's an urgent one If you're skeptical of that just look at what we've been trying for the past twenty years and i it is impossible to conclude the what we have tried and makes any sense at all if we if we hope to conserve anything. We are making a claim on the good. We are making a claim that there is such a thing as the good that some things are better than others that we can know something about that that some things are true in summer false in summer writing some are wrong and and so if we're already willing to acknowledge that then i think it's incumbent upon us to to articulate and enforce that in politics and i think the failure to do so does at this point to to little more than cowardice. Being them a few times before you go to ask one last question about a you. Discussion of brave new bold nineteen eighty-four out his huxley them. Joe joe wells. Respect be You seem to favor. Huxley's dystopia and you call it a more incisive prophecy of present politics however a lot of the speech codes mentioned about your book seem a lot more nineteen eighty-four ask boys ample. I often think about a the confirmation hearing justice. Amy coney which she used the phrase sexual preference and prior to that sexual preference was not defined as a derogatory term but then simultaneously as she said the phase and was chastise is senator who go from hawaii. The dictionary itself change to make it a derogatory term. So what is the interplay. Do you think between these two novels. Do you think the left Progressives us nineteen eighty-four means to achieve the ends of wold or vice versa. Actually i think they they use it. Jen used both but generally speaking. I think they favor the means of brave new world to achieve a at least one end in particular of george orwell and that would be language that we're wells book is a book about language. He says that new speak is in sock and ing sock. is newspeak. So the the politically correct crazy jargon. is is actually the entire english socialist regime and the purpose of that is to limit. Not just what one can say but even what one can think and obviously that is a prophecy of political correctness. And it's and it's an observation. Let's not forget prophets. It's not that they just have crystal balls and they're seeing the future with. They're really seeing is true this about their own times that other people are missing and so this is a fact of politics and fact of language i think though where orwell goes wrong is he believes that the tyrannical regime we'll rule primarily through fear and harsh punishment and and those sorts of methods. When in fact. I think that the way the left has conquered our culture is much more through promiscuity and drug and appealing to our licentious nece. And you just have to look at the nineteen sixties to present to or even frankly little earlier than that to to see that happen. I think what the left did pretty brilliantly is. They conflated liberty and licentious ness The the idea that Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want whenever you want to do it. Which is obviously preposterous. It would i if that were true. It would mean that the heroine addict is the free man in the world. As long as he's got a couple of bucks in his pocket They've conflated that with true liberty which involves tapping down your base passions taking. Dan tampering down your lower appetite. Bring it into accord with your rational. Will i mean when when for instance saint paul says the things i do. I do the things that i don't wanna do. And i don't do the things that i do want to do He's not just babbling incoherently. He's describing the idea that we have two wills we have the lower will which is the appetite and we have the higher rational will that we are conscious of and the rational will traditionally is understood as mediating between the appetite which is at the level of an animal and the divine will which is perfect and are rational will is trying to bring bring these things into a cord. So liberal education traditionally understood is how we make sense of our liberty how we train ourselves for our freedom so that we actually can be free men and women and citizens and probably a liberal education does not does not accomplish that anymore but before the left could could really impose these sorts of speech codes could really sensor us take away so many of our political rights and traditions. I think they had to. I make us a less free people. And that was a process that began with the revolutions of the nineteen sixties and our and are continuing today. So i i don't mean to denigrate either or well we're huxley They were not only friends but huxley was orwell's teacher and in a letter to two or well huxley said good job george but i think i got mine a little bit more correct and i think that's true too well michael. We wish we had a little longer to chat with you. Your book is just so. I think so A timely and it really serves a a great need on the right in equipping especially a new generation of conservatives. That's open to something more robust than what's been on offer The book is speechless from publishing. Michael knowles thank you so much for being with us on our podcast. We hope we can have you back in the future. Thanks so much all mind gentlemen. This program has been brought to you. By the james wilson institute on natural rights in the american founding. If you'd like to learn more about the james wilson institute. Please visit james wilson institute dot. Org thanks for.

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"<music> welcome to the election ride home for Monday July Fifteenth Twenty Nineteen. I'm your host Chris Higgins today by release his healthcare Policy Delaney goes on firing line. The current state of the July debates and Gabbard takes the weekend off for a very good reason. Here's what you miss today from the campaign trail rail this morning Joe Biden released his new healthcare policy. It's called quote the Biden plan to protect and build on the affordable care act and quote in addition to the text of the policy by released a video to promote it in it Biden stands in front of a mantelpiece with a triangle folded flag in a wooden case now although it's not mentioned that sure looks to me like the burial flag for Bo Biden Joe Son who died died in two thousand fifteen and served in the U._S. Army from two thousand two until his death. I think the symbolism there is obvious given that Bo Biden died from brain cancer and we are talking about healthcare policy here okay so let's listen to the audio from that intro video. There's great being part of the first democratic debate Miami. The question was asked whether we support eliminating private health insurance some said yes I said absolutely not I believe we have to protect them. Build on Obamacare. That's why proposed adding to public option Obamacare Macaire as the best way to lower cost cover. Everybody I understand the appeal of Medicare for all but folk supporting it should be clear that means getting rid of Obamacare and I'm not for that. I was very proud. The day I stood there Brock Doc Obama and he signed that legislation never before had anyone ever been able to do that in the White House twenty million Americans gain covers over one hundred million with preexisting conditions finally got protection most appointed peace of mind. You know I know how hard is to get past. I watched it starting over makes no sense to me at all. I knew the Republicans do everything in their power to the obamacare they still are but I'm surprised that so many Democrats are running on getting rid of the affordable Auto Care Act was historic achievement for President Obama. If I'm elected president I'm going to everything in my power to protect and bill okay so let's get into what's in the actual policy plan the key. The item is adding a public option to obamacare allowing that Medicare style option to compete alongside the existing private insurance market in an interesting twist this option would be available to anyone even if you already get insurance from your employer that's an expansion and beyond what Obama's original vision for public option was and that may help win over some people who are in the center left of this whole healthcare thing in addition to the new public option Biden's plan would reduce out-of-pocket expenses for all healthcare recipients in the U._S.. Increase tax credits for people who pay for their own insurance including expanding tax credits to everyone not just people whose income is up to four hundred percent of the poverty line which is the current law and of course that's not all biden includes a proposal to rain in the rising cost prescription drugs. If a company raises the price of its prescription drugs by more than the cost of inflation Biden's plan would slap a tax penalty on the company now. How much is that penalty? It's not stated in the proposal but okay at least there's something there also Biden's plan includes a variety of methods to increase the availability and affordability of generic drugs summer which have been blocked from the market or had their prices raised by drugmakers seeking additional profits. Oh and yet another thing on this drug cost front the Biden plan would eliminate a drug company company tax break on their advertising in addition to all that binds plan would give Medicare the ability to negotiate drug prices directly with manufacturers finally and would allow importing prescription drugs from other countries both of these as our methods of reducing prescription drug prices overall another interesting item in the proposal is that for the states that did not participate in Obamacare's expansion of Medicaid Biden's plan would go ahead and do that for them but in place of Medicaid Biden would substitute his new Medicare style public option this would give an estimated five million low income Americans in those states immediate access to the new public option at no cost to them in a submarine Sam Baker at Vox pointed out that this could be controversial writing. Writing quote in other words non-expansion states would get a better deal than those that participated in the expansion arguably rewarding their resistance to the A._C._A.. and quote. That's a fair point but I assume Biden's counterpoint would be okay fine. Let's provide the Medicaid expansion states the same public option to their also provision in the plan to expand access to contraceptives and abortion services restore funding for planned parenthood and make the Roe v Wade Supreme Court decision an actual federal law as we've discussed on this show previously by would also eliminate the Hyde amendment which currently prevents any federal funding from going to abortion services okay so having read through the policy and giving you some highlights. I think the best way to understand this policy is as essentially obamacare or the affordable care act if you prefer with a whole bunch of additions in tweaks in the written policy Biden repeatedly points out existing legislative proposals that he would simply a work to pass this is a good example of not not reinventing the wheel. If there's already solution on the table now the issue of how exactly to pass that stuff if you don't also control the Senate well that's another matter but to be frank. You couldn't do Medicare for all or really much of anything in the primary candidates healthcare policies a US without democratic control of the Senate anyway. It seems likely that even if the Senate remains in Republican control the Biden plan might be able to pick up a few of its core points like the drug price reduction stuff in that chamber alright so as with all policy I ask what well this cost and how does the candidate plan to pay for it. Well Biden addresses that reading from that section here quote the Biden plan will make healthcare a right by getting rid of capital gains tax loopholes for the superwealthy today the very wealthy pay a tax rate of just twenty percent bent on long-term capital gains according to the Joint Commission on taxation the capital gains and dividends exclusion is the second largest tax expenditure in the entire tax code one hundred twenty seven billion dollars in fiscal year two thousand nineteen alone as President Biden will rollback that trump rate cut for the very wealthy and restore the thirty nine point six percent top rate. He helped restore when he negotiated an end to the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy in twenty twelve Biden's capital gains reform will close the loop holes that allow the superwealthy to avoid taxes on capital gains altogether. The Biden plan was sure those making over one million dollars. We'll pay the top rate on capital gains doubling the capital gains tax rate on the superwealthy the end quote now you may know there is no overall price tag within that language but the campaign did provide that in a call with reporters saying the plan with cost seven hundred fifty billion dollars over a decade according to the campaign the tax code changes. I just mentioned mentioned would add up to a full payment for that cost so in summary by proposing to expand obamacare substantially completing the original vision by including a public option and taking sort of Middle Road on healthcare this all adds up to one of the biggest disagreements Biden has with several major candidates in this field some of whom support the Sanders Medicare for all bill which would intentionally eliminate all private insurance watch this discussion in particular to see which candidates embraced the Biden plan now that we have to very clearly articulated options on the table Medicare for all or what is essentially obamacare two point zero the election the ride home is brought to you by Ziprecruiter hiring is to be hard you had to post on a bunch of jobsites read through stacks of Resumes Confusing Review Process. It was not great. 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One last time that's ziprecruiter dot com slash Josh Primary Ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire yesterday former representative John Delaney went on firing line with Margaret Hoover for a sit down interview that show if you're not familiar with it airs on P._B._S. and as a recent. Recent reboot of the classic show that was originally hosted by William F. Buckley Okay so the first thing I noticed was a clip from the show the Delaney chose to re tweet it came in the context of Hoover asking Delaney about his promise back in January two only work on bipartisan legislation Shen or other bipartisan proposals during his first one hundred days it was President Party Delaney's overall pitch that he's a moderate Democrat with a history of working with Republicans in Congress so need to play this clip. Listen real goal is to find those ideas <music> where you can get common ground. Can you have those ideas anymore so when you wearing congress how did that go for you wouldn't very well. I was ranked third most bipartisan member of Congress. But how many bills did you pass. You know a lot of amendments not too many bills. I was in the minority the whole time which makes it much harder yes because a lot of people introduced bills with just members of their own party. You know I was known to always introduce bills that had Republican co-sponsors for example because I just feel like that's the way we need to work. Still none of them pass. So how do you not bills this yeah so this to me is super interesting. Delaney chose to highlight that clip on his twitter account as a win but the reaction on twitter was mixed. You had some of the people saying hey this is genuinely interested to moderates and potentially even to trump voters then everybody else was saying yeah but <hes> didn't Delaney just admit that he didn't actually succeed at the very thing he was touting meaning he did not in fact pass any bipartisan and bills now. Where are you land on that up to you but it definitely shows where Delaney sits on the issue and shows that he sees his congressional record as a strength now? Here's one more clip that firing line also posted on twitter this one has to do with Delaney's recent visit to a detention center and gets at the issue immigration policy more broadly listen in you went to the border recently. Yes and you said when you listen to the stories from these people you realize that everyone is leaving for the right raising. What do you mean by well? My wife and I went to Dili Texas with the largest detention facility in the country's located and there were seventeen hundred women and children in silly when we went there they're leaving biggest their kids. Were murdered or their kids were threatened and they went to law enforcement and the law enforcement are in bed with the gangs so I think every American if their children were threatened would leave and they're not worried about like whatever policies trump's put in on the border they just leaving so which is why keeps saying if we want affixed situation at southern border we actually have to do things to stabilize those three countries saying down cut off their aid. Don't not only not cut off their aid but actually be much more proactive all right so the Delaney campaign did not re tweet that one but I think he did well in his response. It's and it's notable that his response actually lines up with many others in this field like Hooley on Castro on immigration policy there essentially saying let's invest in certain key Central American countries to improve the situation there locally as a root cause fix so you reduce do the need for people to leave those countries in search of asylum elsewhere one last fun fact about Delaney before we move on as I mentioned on Friday they are two major candidates in his field who stand out having been in this thing way longer than the rest they are Andrew through Yang at six hundred sixteen days and Delaney holds the record at seven hundred seventeen days as of today he announced on July twenty eighth 2017 that means and just that are two weeks you can celebrate his two a year anniversary as a Democratic primary candidate right before the July debates next up. Let's talk about the current state of those July debates like who's definitely in who's is maybe in and who's probably out the debates have the same qualifying criteria as June ones did which means the candidates need to have either sixty five thousand unique donors with at least two hundred people donating from each of twenty states or need to get a minimum of one one percent support in each of three qualifying polls sanctioned by the D._N._c.. If you get both that's great if you get just one. You've got some potential problems. The candidates who currently have met both thresholds apparently means they are very likely to at the debate are Biden Booker Buddha Judge Castro Gabbard Gillibrand Harris Inslee Club H._R.. A rourke Sanders Warren Williamson and Yang. Gang so that's fourteen people who meet both criteria and thus are relatively safe. There are a total of twenty spots available on the stage across the two nights okay so how about the candidates who have met one of the two thresholds well here is that list Bennett Look de Blasio Delaney Gravel Hickenlooper and Ryan. That's seven candidates that means we have twenty one total candidates trying to fit into twenty spots. Oh Yeah and in in case you noticed Grefell in their his campaign did indeed pass the fundraising threshold. Africa posted the show on Friday so he has the donors he needs but now he's in this seven person tiebreaker thing to get into six seats. Incidentally there are four more candidates in this race who at least right now don't appear to meet either criteria they are messim molten SESTAK and steer. It's certainly possible that one or more of them could pull in more polling or donors in the next day or so but the cutoff is Tuesday's. This is probably probably the field. We're looking at for the July debate now. Here's the trouble the D._N._C. has all these tiebreaking rules and what they boil down to in. This particular case is the D._N._C. prefers better polling results over the donor threshold so prevail find himself himself in a situation where he has only one poll puts him at one percent whereas the other six people vying for those spots all have three or more one percent polls that means and last one of them drops out or gravel suddenly gets it's more polling gravel will not survive tiebreaking process and won't be in the debates. I discussed this last week but I think it will come as a big surprise to a lot of donors who thought that meeting that donor threshold would be an automatic win. The campaign seemed to acknowledge this with an angry angry tweet on Saturday that red quote Mike is Qualified for the debates but with a raft of idiot centrists polling at one percent and with a DNC that would love to keep him out of the public. I they are actively trying to screw us but we'll fight back and make Mike's Voice heard that's our vow and quote yes so making friends with the D._N._C.. Not High on the list of priorities for the growl campaign okay so the odds of prevail actually making the debates are very very slim to me. The only path for him would be for another candidate to drop out literally today or tomorrow that is super unlikely but not technically impossible given that there's been so much chatter about for instance Hickenlooper having problems with fundraising and retaining staff now having said that I don't see a reason for Hickenlooper gracefully exit when he has a clear path into a free nationally televised debate in two weeks just with his seat would be filled by somebody else or at least I don't think hickenlooper would see it that way. Oh and by the way Hickenlooper you just tired of new communications director reports of his candidacies demise. Maybe exaggerated so here's what happens next on Wednesday evening the D._N._C. will announce the final list of qualifying candidates. It's very likely to be the list I read above minus Grefell due you too tiebreakers another way to look at that list. We'll be to say it's the exact same lineup we had back in June except representative Eric Swallow. L. dropped out and we'll be replaced by Montana governor. Steve Bullock then the next day on Thursday night at eight P._M.. Eastern C._N._N.. Will do do some kind of live T._v.. Event to determine which candidates will appear on which nights we are again having a two-night debate with ten slots on each night. We still don't know whether C._N._N.. will use a similar process what N._B._C. Youth and attempt to mix higher and lower polling candidates candidates across the two nights or purely random draw or something else. Apparently the details of that lineup split are up to C._N._N.. And they have not yet told us how they plan to do it expect to hear about that later today or perhaps on Tuesday and I will let you know when yeah I know and lots of today representative Tulsi Gabbard was not on the campaign trail this weekend why not well. She's an active duty member of the Army National Guard and this weekend she was on duty Gabbard sister in devan manager campaign twitter account over the weekend and encouraged owners to push the campaign past one hundred thousand donors while Gabbard was otherwise engaged at press time. I hadn't seen a tweet announcing whether they had met that goal but given that they were only a few hundred donors away. It's likely by the time you hear this guy but it's picked up one hundred thousand owners and it's on her way toward one hundred thirty thousand the number she needs for these September debates well that is it for one more percent of the election can ride home. I have been your host. Kristen's always find me on twitter at Chris Higgins so this was the first episode with the new title and New Logo. I hope you like them. Both I spent the weekend gearing up for a summer wedding next weekend up in Maine trying to figure out a good outfit for an outdoor wedding.

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The Condom On Jesse Helms's House (1991)

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The Condom On Jesse Helms's House (1991)

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That's b. r. o. o. k. l. i n. e. n. dot com and enter promo code radio topiary for twenty dollars off with a minimum purchase of one hundred dollars. That's brooklyn dot com. Promo code radio topa. Hello and welcome to this day in esoteric. Political history from radio topa. My name is. Jody advocates this day. September fifth nineteen ninety one in the washington. Dc suburb of arlington virginia. A group of activists arrived at the home of north carolina. Senator jesse helms using ladders. Several of them climbed up on the roof of the house and from there. They unfurled a giant piece of fabric. Which was then inflated by their comrades on the front lawn and soon the senators house was surrounded by a giant yellow condom reading a condom to stop unsafe politics. Helms is deadlier than a virus. This stunt this act of protest was led by members of act up a group that worked to raise aids awareness and fight to end the epidemic. And in this particular moment was protesting helms because he was one of the most vocal opponents of funding aids research in addition to being one of the most anti gay members of congress so here to discuss act up versus jesse helms and what you do when you wake up in the morning and there is a giant condom over the house common experience. We've all had as always hemmer of columbia and kelly carta jackson of wealthy. Hello that they're toady. Hey there so listeners. Permission to pause this podcast. And go google jesse helms giant condom house the image search button and you will see what we're talking about here but i will also say let's spend a little time describing exactly what looks like. Let's theater of the mind here but it is quite remarkable visual spectacle So it's this yellow saying over the roof of jesse helms his house. You can't even see the home but you assume that there's a home under there. It's an a leafy suburb I don't know you know. Feel free to jump in at any point. Say there is a mushroom mushroom. Thank you for a tip on the top of it a condom. But maybe a cupcake wait. Everyone cupcakes skelly. It is a it is a. Let's let's let's embrace the language here. It is a two story house which means that. It's relatively squat so there is not much shaft. it is all tip and so one could. Maybe think it's an acorn maybe has a little bit like an acorn sitting on top of a little by that company or something but mushroom mash. Up i think as describing. Yes hopefully picture people's heads they can go google and see how much those those matchup but nevertheless a remarkable stunt full coverage like any good conduct in nicely and as you said you know like a real act of protests around a series issue here and these big bold letter block letters that say a condom to stop unsafe politics. Helms is deadlier than a virus. So you know the message. Even if the visuals and immediately one to one you know the message is very clear it takes balls to do this and so so actually. And i guess maybe let's start with act up right. I mean we've mentioned them briefly on the show before but you know this is very much within the act up. Ethos are these kinds of stunts political theater aggressive tactics. Yeah yeah act up was known dooming. These very extravagant dramatic explicit demonstrations. But they were so effective in giant in public attention and getting people to take note to pause and to at what was what was going on And the serious aspect of this is that people were dying of aids at you know crazy rates and there was basically a standoff politically about how to go about getting people help expedite getting this help as quickly as possible and act up really takes. This stands to get as many people to pay attention to their issue. As possible and to really target people that were the major opponents of this until jesse helms really becomes the probably greatest opponent to aids activism and and lgbtq issues of the day and if we could just kind of paint a picture of what this looks like because today. There's is bipartisan support for funding for aids research and forgetting medicine into people's hands and there's no longer this Same level of stigma around aids and silence around aids but in the nineteen eighties inert early nineteen ninety s. First of all coming from the reagan administration there was a real silence surgeon. General koop With someone who had a lot to say about aids and there were people in the administration who really. You're not going to talk about this. And it's not until nineteen eighty-six that he releases a report that talks about this crisis and this epidemic and the the moral obligation in addition to the scientific and medical obligation that the united states government has to addressing this epidemic. And so act. Up's approach is really important. Because it makes you pay attention to something that so many people weren't paying attention to And they don't want to pay attention exactly and that when they were paying attention to it when people like pat robertson pat buchanan jesse homes william f. buckley junior league there were all of these people who saw aids as righteous punishment for same sex ex And it becomes this thing where they're like. Oh we should tattoo people with aids. So people know What's happening and people know what they're Diagnosis is and we should put them in camps. And i know we shouldn't be putting money towards research to stopping this. Because this is god's righteous judgment and that was the political atmosphere that people were agitating for aids funding and aids research in. And i. i wanna point out one other thing in there. Which is i think that a lot of people don't know the history of how much the aids crisis was diminished and marginalized And a lot of people don't let history but like in nineteen ninety-two. There's audio reagan's press secretary laughing when asked about aids and making basically a gay joke. But i also think it's important to point out that that's nineteen eighty two one thousand nine hundred eighty four. We're in nineteen ninety-one ninety one here and the same stuff is happening. So we're talking about a decade of apathy and aggressive marginalization so. It's not just like oh in the early days of the aids crisis there was. We're talking about a community Watching people die for a decade at this point and still seeing people like jesse helms refer to the quote unquote homosexual. Lifestyle as the main thing. Here he says there is not one single case of aids in this country that cannot be traced in origin to sodomy But you know again. I think it's important to highlight that. This is almost a full decade into this fight This moment that we're talking and we should also note that he refused to speak to the mother ryan white who was a teenager who died of aids after receiving a chance fusion with hiv blood. So not everybody that has aids or hiv. Positive is a result of same sex relations. And yet you know the refusal to acknowledge that to really look scientifically at the disease holistically. that denial is also something that should be a part of the narrative and and so just a grant another thing in the time line. We're talking about september. Fifth nineteen ninety-one magic johnson announces. The he has aids in november of nineteen ninety one. That is obviously such a huge. Turning point in terms of making people realize people should have realized a lot early but making people realize this is not just a quote unquote. Gay disease But in this particular moment in this particular part of activism were just a couple of months shy and importantly to because that that becomes a really important shift particularly forgetting conservatives onboard for aids research aids funding because in nineteen ninety-two at the republican national convention. Mary fisher speaks about her. Hiv diagnosis And she had gotten hiv from her husband. And this idea that sort of being held up as the blameless victim of aids something that ryan white was held up as well It's about to the to the homophobia. Right it's not challenging the homophobia at saying okay. Well maybe gay people deserve this but it is also now affecting non gay people and so we should pay attention and we should feel empathy for this yes. I don't think i even realized that going into this episode. But maybe we're talking about here kind of one of the the last the final moments where. There's this really this big gulf between thinking of this as a homosexual disease and really in the fall winter and into nineteen ninety two. It starts to change ever so slightly but in this moment. Nineteen ninety-one This condom over. Jesse helms's house i mean. What else do we need to know about helms himself and why he was targeted in the sense. So jesse helms. As a senator from north carolina and he is a senator for about thirty years but he becomes known as being the senator of no i have really encounter someone who was so an night reffing Anti integration anti voting rights anti women's rights anti disability rights anti the national endowment of the arts like hose against the yards. he was against everything especially gay rights. But it just you know. It's it's remarkable that not only him opposing. These things was a part of his platform. But there's so much about his stance about being sort of the person that will shut down will prevent any legislation from promoting ideas that that really just aren't aren't white. Supremacist i mean. Maybe that's just the best as some is all of it but that is sort of his his stance and i think it's important understand that he's not just against gateway tease pretty much against everyone's rights. Yeah he was a much hated figure in north carolina and nationally because he represented so many of these things. Kelly is talking about and was kind of an avatar for the culture wars before people started talking about them as culture wars and was such a much clearer connection between the culture wars of the nineteen nineties and the segregationist sentiments which homes held the dearly Of the nineteen sixties and seventies. And you know certainly. I think the culture war element here is is important. And this is a stunt that taps into a sort of cultural conversation But also helms is you know a powerful elected official who has his hands on some funding levers. And i think that's a big part of the conversation here is just trying to get not just change. Shift the cultural tied by trying to get actual funding for aids research. Because again ten years in there wasn't the political will to really Confront this epidemic. Okay okay we should talk about the stunt itself Oh please yes. let's come back to it. amazing details. They go to his home in arlington virginia. And you can probably already hear. Echoes of the conversations about protesting public figures at their homes. Something that has come up a lot in the last five years they go to his home. They make sure that he's not home because they don't wanna lake trap him in his house and get arrested and like make it a much bigger story where they're the bad guys Is that. They make sure that he's away. And they just come in with their giant ladders and they're giant condom and nobody bothers them right they just like they have tried recon the house so the two members of the group had come by and they'd take pictures and they were like okay. Well we can figure out the size of this because a standard door is eighty inches and so therefore we can extrapolate the height of the house. And how big of a condom we need and they go to the giant inflatable condom company. Three thousand commissioned from a novelty company. And as you say they practice practice run on a house in new york and they knew so you know yes like any good activists they had done. The driver is yes. Is it very important to practice how to put on a condom. Because when you're actually in the moment you do it you can fumble. It gets very stressful. Things undermined so yeah so they got themselves story banana. It's just crazy to me. That like neighbors do this. It's like that thing about when you live in new york just like you can never underestimate people's desire to just like keep it moving. Mind your own business like there's that thing going on there but you know what i'm just going to put my head down and that's kind of what happened here and moreover i think as you were saying mickey because he wasn't home The cops eventually show up and basically the cops are pretty chill about it and they basically say all right you know take it down and go on your way and But it gets impressed attention. they did get a parking ticket because they u-haul was parked illegally parked in the wrong direction so it wasn't punishment it was legit parking ticket. They parking correctly as moved a one part of this. If they didn't do the dry run on. And that you know i think that's basically it. Now there is. There are some rumors that That actually david geffen funded this stunt. It costs three thousand dollars. Some people who were involved say that david geffen was was part of this. And you know we should point out that this was also part of a kind of group within act up called Tag which is either treatment action group or treatment activists guerrillas. But you know it was designated for these particular guerrilla type stuns this. I think it's so hilarious. At one of the tag members. James serafini basically says quote. We need protection against helms. Bigotry and ignorance condoms have worked pretty well in protecting against hiv. So we decided to try one on the senator. I love it love. It's mickey what is your. What is your sense of the sort of reaction in the moment did garner press coverage but it did so they were actually really savvy about getting the press there Cnn was the only twenty four hour news network at the time. So they called up cnn. They had called the number of Local television stations and they didn't tell them whose house they were going to. But they said they were going to pull this stunt and so they had good news coverage You know at the same time. There's still this reticence to Accept this kind of activism so there was those column in the washington post where they were writing about how this was childish. Juvenile and straight bashing is no better than gay bashing which Big i roll najjar that they were bashing jesse helms gazebo straight. Yeah i know but those kind of you know fatuous arguments that are really about just comfort with this kind of activism. The condom was later installed in los angeles at the one national gay and lesbian archives. I'm curious if it's still there. I think how to dispose of used condom big dilemma. Glad they didn't flush it down the toilet but it sounds like maybe it's a maybe listeners. Someone can let us know if that's still there still floating around you don't what do you do with all that How do you. I mean i don't know how you display it. But yeah that jesse helms the only way to do it no idea and then one other little cultural moment i guess i gather the tv show pose. Which haven't seen but it's like on my list nikki kelly. I've watched all on that. They they do. Yeah it's it's. I mean the whole all of poe's really talks about the act up movement in general so i think if you want to sort of relive some of the most controversial and exciting moments of this era poses a really good show for that always nice to end with a tv. Recommend kelly Yes okay that brings us to the end of the show nicole hammer. Thanks to you as always thank you. Jody and kelly carta jackson. Thanks to you my pleasure. This day in esoteric political history is a proud member of radio topa from p. r. x. A network of independent listener supported artists owned. Podcasts are researcher and producer. Is jacob feldman. Our producer is brittany brown color. Nicola helps with transcripts. Julie shapiro is executive producer for radio. Topiary get in touch with us. If you have any questions or comments or ideas for the show you can email us. This state pod at g mail dot com or you can find a form at this day pot dot com where you can also get our full archives transcripts and learn lots more about the show follow us on social at this day pod on instagram and twitter posting stuff each and every day. My name is jody again. Thanks again for listening. And we'll see you soon. I'm here today. Because jesse helms was the double jesse helms is i think ought to be one of the most evil men in america and has worked for years to as much as he possibly can to ensure the content of the aids epidemic. Linden's we're here. Basically say you know you mess with us and you're gonna wake up one morning with a condom on your house radio x.

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That happened First thing this morning on the show alexis has still not finished Rob big sausage sandwich. That he gave her first thing. That i mean seriously. That's a big sausage sandwich to it was. Yeah it's huge. How much have you eaten of it. How much have you in enjoyed. Stop half it are you going. Are you going to have the rest of it. Yeah is definitely bigger than i thought it was going to be bigger than my hand anyways. Why haven't you eaten yet. All of it because i'm eating a little by little meeting a little bit of chocolate and i'll have a bite of my Sausage sandwich. i'm just enjoying it. Good for you just get a little buffet going over there. Rob gave her the big sausage sandwich. First thing is this your juice pouch and here as well in the fridge. Juice powell. Probiotic juice pouch lillo capri sun with a fancy top It's a Juice pouch a boot son can bucci son. Can i put my here. My boots really cold because that refrigerator heard everybody talk about how ice cold it makes the beverages. So as soon as i finish gobbling down this big sausage sandwich i'm gonna. I'm gonna need some boots and chocolate. Standard all okay. I'm just saying a busy morning over there legs. If you don't finish that exhausted sandwich. And i'll eat it you would. I'm gonna gobble it up. Yeah looks delicious. I don't know that. I can give you the sausage anymore. If you're gonna not eat it. Okay right rob said he's not giving you his big sausage sandwich anymore. Because you don't appreciate. I'm so over this whole thing. Something that caught my eye today in the in the odd knowledge category or something that i've known about for a long time but it reminded me teddy roosevelt. He was president of the united states at one point alexis and ernest. Hemingway who is a writer used to wear abercrombie and fitch. The label was an outdoors and sporting goods maker for almost one hundred years before it began specializing in young adult fashioned in the early nineties There's a A great Brilliant brilliant man His name was william buckley. And william buckley wrote an article that i read one time about how he will walked into abercrombie and fitch to get some sailing close After it had already switched and how shocked he was when he walked in there because he hadn't been in a while he had just gotten back into sailing and that's where he used to get all of his sailing close and boy fish. So can you imagine this This old guy. Walking into the abercrombie and fitch and it's blasting music is smells like got their got their brand of cologne coming through the vents. The there are no aisles to walk down. I mean it's just it's abercrombie and fitch from the nineties which riggins said that was the greatest thing ever is when you could actually get some abercrombie and fitch was the mecca of clothing before going back to school but it was so expensive so my mom would say you can get one thing and you know you short. A t shirt maybe Certainly not a pair of jeans or khakis or anything like that but a shirt pair shorts. You could get one thing that is. That is the marker by which i can tell i could tell that. Okay i'm getting a little older in life. Because i was It's probably around two thousand one thousand two and i went into I was in new york. And i went into big abercrombie store in new york as let's go see what they got. We walk in and he was just trying to ask the person who's looking for this. I'd seen a jacket somewhere that i thought the jacket look really cool. I think it was a leather leather jacket. And i could. I was so frustrated. The i saw jacket after saying what am i. I gotta get outta here. That i walked house laughing like okay. I'm now thirty years old. Because that's driving me crazy trying to get out of here. Yeah imagine you're william f. Buckley looking for going in there because you're going sailing off the cape this weekend and you yeah he. He was probably close to eighty at the time. Oh my god a shirtless. They're holding cologne up to him and say Here that have underwear. James the front. So have you ever experienced that where you didn't go to your favorite place for a while and then you walk in. And you're like what happened to my. It's not the same anymore. It's completely chain que question. It's still the same play. It's got the same day you walk into a place that you thought used to be a bar when you walk in. What has places a bank now. I if you walked into a A long horn steakhouse after. You know a few years and you what happened is where are the peanuts. We used to throw on the floor. Where is that. What happened here or if you go to a place that you used to go to all the time because the prices were so reasonable and then you go in and then the next thing you know. They've they've made it fancier and the prices through the roof and you can't even stay in there anymore. Something like that that it was just a shock to you. One of your favorite places just completely changed what they were all about. Have you ever gone into a place that i wonder if this couch dot though. Tj you walk into a place that you thought. This is a pretty nice place. When i was in college wasn't always i didn't notice it. I've had that happen before one of afternoon of at lsu game. Let's just walk in here and grab a drink. We used to go in his place all the time. Like this place sucks and it seemed much bigger back the tiny way bigger. So what do you got Will you walked into a place that you used to be familiar with. And now it's just completely changed and you said what happened to this place. What happened to fill in the blank. Dms on social media's at the tj. show let's go to show the lows just for pros. Event is going on now for september. Twenty fourth shop irwin for the trusted tools of the trade lows and irwin fank and support traits people for the hard work you do every day. Durable and reliable irwin's professional grade hand tools and power tool accessories. Insure superior performance. Don't miss the lows jesper pros event shop irwin tools in store and at lowe's dot com today lows the new home for pros. Us only this is the ace and tj. Show so be honest with you During the break we were supposed to be Checking responses to the question that we asked you john and joan q. Listener before we took the break. And i just sat here gossiping and talking the whole time and then look up and go away. I didn't even know. Look to see if we had any responses to the question. So i have nothing here because i don't read fast enough to throw through. There are some here that i see. But i haven't had time to To prove them well to see if they're entertaining that were an excellent team. I can buy you some time with one from twitter twitter. Dm said my wife. And i were back in my home. I'm sorry when my wife and i were back in my hometown i took her to the quote unquote cool hotel bar where we used to go when we were feeling classy and rich. Apparently i didn't know the hotel had run down a little things were not as we remembered she was laughing at me because it seemed like the bar was not just for homeless looking people who either drink beer or their liquor straight it used to be quote unquote classy but not anymore. It was just bad. What makes that worse to me is when you take somebody especially if you're a wife or girlfriend you would go to this. I used to love this place. And then you rolling. Oh and then they laugh at you. You're embarrassed and this isn't what i thought it was at all you. You feel stupid. Even though it's not your fault you just feel kinda dumb. yeah. I did that when i time. I took my wife to eat a linda's country kitchen in winfield louisiana where i'm from You know she was from a bigger city. My wife and I know it may not sound like it just by the name of the restaurant. Winfield louisiana is a small country town. And we're gonna are nicest restaurant is called linda's country kitchen. That's how you hyped it up like i'm gonna take you to a nice play all the nicest restaurant in town. Yeah windows country know. There was linda's country kitchen and there was The across town which was a five minute drive. Maybe was Grandma's catfish restaurant and that was the the other nice restaurant but linda's linda's had been there for years. Linden don they They had run that place for years. Now Linda ran restaurant. Obviously linda's country and dawn ran The liquor store liquor store called don's liquor patch it right and This country kitchen run by linda. Liquor patch run by inland And then every year don sponsored a baseball team little league baseball team but they couldn't put don's liquor package on the shirts so on the jersey side just called. Don's don yeah. Isn't that way. Nobody knew i was gonna say. Oh by the liquor store not yeah. He had to liquor stores in town. One was don's all the money. Yeah well i mean all that was available not that many people yeah but yeah and so It had been a while. Since i had been to linda's country and it was still you know the food was good and and all that i have nothing negative to say. It's just that it wasn't as much as i'd hyped. It up to be once i i went back and and my life goes Is that waitress not wearing shoes. No way s she's wearing shoes just sandals and she's wearing hose with them. Oh but we're very strap like little strappy sandals and you could barely see the waitress. Yeah because they kinda you know blended in with the the roles in the top of this is not wear shoes she has she is you. Don't wanna hear that no at a nice restaurant. Is she wearing shoe a question a restaurant. There's confusion but oh man what she impressed. What does she think of the meal. She liked the food she did. Yeah yeah but then she said. Oh god i've finally come come to lend his country kitchen. You and your family talked about it so much so to answer. Your questions. reagan's they were to what she impressed that you like the food like the food maybe of oversold a touch right and then After i was way gone from winfield and my family's still there in a chinese family moved to town and opened up a panda restaurant. Got the panda and And that's what i told you about that. They did stories in the newspaper on them every week because they that never been a chinese family asian family of any kind living in winfield louisiana. Then they haven't three restaurants in town. I'm serious it was Black people white people and then the asian family moved in and opened a restaurant. That was it back then. So there wasn't much diversity it was just black and white now About fifty fifty. So does you know really divided in the mid one. Asian family moved. Yeah and messed it. All scream it or skip it lots of new stuff coming streaming platforms this weekend. Details now training in less than ten minutes. This is the show.

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Alligator Death-Rollin to Super Tuesday with Joe Biden

Bird Road Podcast - All Points West

1:02:51 hr | 2 years ago

Alligator Death-Rollin to Super Tuesday with Joe Biden

"I'm q. And I'm Jewish Dave. Borough. This is Burg road. Dave. I am going to. I am approaching this episode of joy all positive and why is that? I just going to try to enjoy it. I'm gonna try to have fun. It's all a pow really made a little commitment to myself before we walked into the walk into the studio now that I was going to let go of a lot of feelings of had about you me. Get feelings about the I guess, I guess you're letting goes on tell me, I'm letting them go from another those existence. I I'm here to tell you that none of those feelings existed where here we're in this every day is a gift. Beer, drinking beer drinking disappeared. I know. It's where I guess you don't drink. Yeah. I just wanna like. I want to take this. I wanna take this episode and turn it into that magic that that it used to be. When was it? When was it magic in your eyes because to be honest with you, I think the last few episodes we've managed to actually do have been magic. I think they've been pretty great. I think that our relationship used to be a thing of. And without impugning. What it is. Now, I want to make good again. Well, I want I guess, I guess it'd be funny with each other. I guess what really does what it comes down to is is are you just said our relationship is our relationship tied to our on air persona. Or is it just are that the two can be indistinguishable. Like our friendship is the this this podcast is just over a reflection of our front. It's that's the zone. Originally was. Yeah. Why we chose to do this. Three. Tells like a New Orleans. I cooked up some crawl what else do this? Snails are extra who. I don't know. Just sappy we've been meaning to talk to you just how did you even get all of our better judgement against all of our better judgment? We hired you hear this five star French restaurant, despite the fact that your name was just we counted on the fact that Americans are culturally illiterate enough that they wouldn't recognize the difference. They would just assume they were right was a French. And we were right. So fucking you gotta raining in man, you need to either stay in the back with the food back of house, or you've got to work on your friend Jax because sorry, but every American has seen, you know, the second act of the godfather, they know what an Italian accent sounds like and you're not full in anybody. I got some good news. I just got proved as a member of the dog advice and appreciation closed Facebook group. I really thought that you're gonna actually. You had anything of substance? When do I ever have substance? I just kind of float around from thing thing the disappointed. So what does that mean what what benefits are you in Butte just wanted to join in and ask some questions about Sadie and her whole not eating bullshit. And try to maybe get some advice because she's she's decided that she absolutely does not eat dog food anymore, like only people food and snacks. I don't know do. That's the whole problems. Maybe you can begin. You know, what they say is you're supposed to like two fifty fifty maybe put her on a human food diet. And then you slowly introduce dog food fifty fifty until it's all like that go to fifty fifty. And then, you know, eventually, just all doctored. That's the way you're always supposed to change dog's food. No matter how your yeah. Yeah. You're always supposed to be with whatever it is that they want us. She's she's just too smart. Like, she will pick out every last bit of the human food. What a con. Aren't talking. It broke. So let's do a quick plug real quick. Unfortunately, Dave is not going to be joining us on Wednesday. Y'all should be hearing this episode on Monday on the normal day that we went health allows that we are uploading episodes. Dave will not be at the end of Miami. Which is our live show, which is getting a really big react. Yeah. I'm really excited. Like, I wish I was there seriously on the Facebook of it. Yeah. It's it's. It's a. Should have some some great people. Stopping by. We got a lot of great guests lined up. I should probably mention some of them. We got a big get how Wallace who's a professor a a climatologist in a geologist and a really well known sort of subject matter expert down here in Miami. He's gonna be kicking things off Dr Kalana Bishop bishops shod is going to be there. She's a basically, she's a member of the the civil rights committee here in the city of Miami. And she is also a biologist and just a really smart person who can speak intelligently about the human effects of climate change of your court data who's an artist and an activist down. Here. We have a city a county Commissioner Daniela living kava who's gonna be probably also in my opinion. Probably the next mayor of Miami. She's going to be here to meet Jackson Jackson who. You know was a football player for a long time at the university of Miami. And at Booker T Washington, which is a national Bauer. He's now running for district one oh nine in the state legislature. And he's a young guy twenty four and Jeff Campbell. Who's a friend of the show in who is basically works on the he's the chair of the People's Progressive caucus down here. So like, we're going to be knocking these folks out. Fifteen minute interviews myself, Jerry, I Ellie who's going to be stepping in for you since you. You chose not to be here. Thank as my co host. Putting it that way. Talking to a lot of people are going to be. You know, helping us prepare for the end of Miami as we are provocatively, titled the show Wednesday may eighth life house Little Havana. Thanks a lot to life house for hosting us looking forward to it. And I don't know, maybe I'll Skype you. I was gonna say the offer is there. I'm going to be standing by waiting. If you want to try to work me in somehow. But if not I'll just be sitting there playing on my phone, so. Okay. So what's going on a peace get together? This actually this going up on Monday. I also have a Monday really awesome special episode. We just didn't a regular episode on this movie called to dust, which is actually one of my favorite movies of the year, so far, and I got a chance to actually interview the director the writer director, Sean Snyder, and it's going up on Monday today. And so check that out. It's a really great conversation. It turned into a whole film nerd thing. And it's just really great as a really fun conversation. He was just totally game to get into the whole inspiration angle. Talking about his influences and all that kind of stuff. So everyone check that out. See that's the move for you. I think with with that show. I think you gotta start getting more of the creative piano on and even like, maybe like DP's and like set designer. Shops. Like if you could get like a a big time like game of thrones. Or like like marvel set designer right? Somebody who's like just well-known in their little area or whatever. But they're like the biggest one of that. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I just wanna wanna keep tying it into this whole, you know, influence inspiration thing that we could keep the show all themed and everything. But yeah, I I've been for the last like, I don't know six seven, eight episodes. I've been really starting to reach out like just going, you know, combing through. I am pro and trying to get in touch with people. And this is the first like really great bite that I've gotten and so hoping to do more. Oh, yeah. I also exhort everybody out there. I implore. I work direct each of you to also as long as you're going in their downloading piecing together and subscribing rating reviewing it and subscribing rating reviewing our own show. Also, download subscribe rate and review enter enter those the other show on the road network, which probably has the lease crossover with with our two shows. But is also exploding right now, it has like a hot like hundreds of Facebook group messengers of Facebook group, people that are joining moms mostly some dads to. Yeah. That's fantastic shows socal blowing up right now. They are going to an remorse day have a live event of their own going to be flying out to Houston's actually like two days before Memorial Day Saturday before Memorial Day, which is the twenty fourth. I think so keep your ears peeled for more about that. Or just go listen to the enter those feed. To learn more also wanted a plug DACA membership. But just here in Miami. If anybody out there is 'cause cut until you d say chapter by chapter little bit of I don't know. It's I I mean, it's a little bit of a gamble. What you're gonna get. But here in Miami. I just wanted to like throw it out there that if you're listening to this show, you're in south Florida's specifically, and you know, your politics align with the politics that we talk about here. My the Miami chapter is like is a really active good one. That actually does good work. Like, I've said before they. They worked to pass Edmund four. We're seeing amendment for actually happen. You know, like manifest now as as felons who've served. Their time are beginning to get the paid their debt to society, they're quote, unquote, debt to society are starting to get their, you know, their their franchise back. They're able to vote they're still gonna face lots of hurdles because now they're introducing basically what amounts to a poll tax. They're making it where it's like if you have. Okay. Like, let's say that you were convicted of something you went to jail for it. Or you did probation parole. Your you know, you finish paying your debt this society. Right. Yeah. A lot of times you'll have like a two dollar court fee or something like that that's left outstanding. Or like an administrative processing fee from the department of corrections. Just unlike some bullshit, I gotta find probably. Yeah. Exactly. If you still owe that by the way, fascinating that they're able to. Fuse, these dispirit databases of voter registration, and and outstanding administrative fees and penalties and restitution orders and things like that. When when it comes the other way around for instance, when it's like, oh, can we make a better database that will enable people to be able to vote and enabled, you know, automatic voter registration and things that you know, that that would actually expand the voter base. That's impossible. That's that's on thinkable the technical aspects to the technical challenges and hurdles are far too much too. Great, but try and give felons the right to vote and see how quick IT for the state of Florida's able to take two completely incongruous databases and make them Lincoln and do everything that they fucking Cantu. Prevent those people from being able to vote at least as few of them as as they can. Anyway, again, that's a big victory for the essay. And for everybody who worked to to to pass a member for starting to happen. That's the kind of good work that the that the I guess they're getting ready to start up like a Florida DSL. Look a statewide chapter. I don't know about all that. I still think that's a little ways away. I do strongly recommend if you're down here in south, Florida. Join up with the Miami DEA say look forward to seeing you at the at the meetings, man, I'm not on the steering committee. I'm not like a leader anything like that. I'm just I help out with the newsletter. And like, you know, do whatever I can so strong recommend there. How about you? Have you got any other plugs that you wanna talk about real quick before we jump into sonic? Which is the topic of the week. Absolutely. Why should just mention real quick that? I just got back from a screening at the Las Vegas film festival of knocked down the house. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted you to talk about that. Actually, it was really great. Obviously friend of the show. Amy Villela is one of the four candidates that the explorer during during the the movie, which was really cool. They basically looking at these four candidates during their runs. And of course, you know, the big one is Sandra 'cause you're Cortez. And but yeah, the the fact that they used Amy as one of them is just really awesome. She was on our live show year ago, and you know, the three of them other than we're all, you know, in attendance for the screening, and you know, answered questions and all that. But yeah, it was a really really inspirational documentary it's out now on net flicks. And it's definitely something people should check out, you know, as people listen to the show and listen to me, you know, lose interest in politics on a weekly basis. It really was pretty damn inspiring. It was you know, it was great to see just that, you know. Yeah. A lot of these fights are, you know, fruitless and just you know, just seem to fail left. And right. But it's all part of just, you know, a bigger thing is the is the thesis statement of the film of the documentary, and you know, AOC's success is, you know, one shining example of what it all is kind of adding up to and really well done. And I'm glad I got to see it in a theater, we all know how much I prefer to watch movies in the theater, but you should all go watch it on Netflix. I think just came out yesterday or something. Yeah. I mean, Amy really sucks like how do they how do they handle like the the part where she lost because you know, spoiler, but anybody's been paying attention to our show knows that Amy took a pretty tough loss in in her congressional race last November. Yeah. So in the primary in. In the prime August. I think right back in August. Yeah. Not sure I think it was that sounds about right August and yet. And that's the thing is that of the four candidates that they focused on the other three all lost in their respective races. So Corey Bush was in. I forget where. But Pala gene swearing in was in West Virginia, though, I know that for sure and then, but yeah, all three of them lost. And so it was just kind of showing like, you know, how it's all part of one big overall thing, and they all seem to really feel that and really try to put forward that that that idea that, you know, the movement can't just be you know, everybody winning. It has to be all these people creating a big greater idea, and then some of them winning. But then some of them running again in all three of them made commitments to run again, the three that were there attendance who. Who did not win there? They're all planning to run and continue their push in politics. So, you know, it's good to see that, you know, the progressive voices. They're not just they're not just stopping just because they lost. And Amy was great in the in the documentary. She's you know, she's like cursing, and she's she's crying cursing at the same time when she loses, and it's just it's really human and really. It's great though. Because to see that she's like, she's not letting it stop her in any way, you know, is pretty inspirational yet. But I mean, it's it's instructive. I think that you mentioned that eo see who obviously comes from an incredibly, you know. Progressive left leaning district and who was able to harness that in the right time to unseat. Joe Crowley who just really languishing was like the litter us like the the prototypical frontbencher who is one of those. Just like everything nothing kind of you know, shoot holiday issues. He was an enormous nothing. Like, a, you know in terms of I think in he was fourth in line for the house speakership despite fuck and really doing that much and not making any kind of, you know, national name firms, and she's already doing way more with her few months office than that. He did. And, but it's the reason I say it's instructive is because of the the most recent polling that came out showing Joe Biden way ahead of Bernie Sanders and a lot of sort of. Liberal centrists are out there on Twitter making the point that, you know, like the Nate silver crowd in the I don't know like the Maddock Lacey's crowd are out there making the point that like oh will did progressive instinct, this was going to be a cakewalk for Bernie. Did they forget that? Like, the Democratic Party is still overwhelmingly Joe Biden people. Sure, am I know that like we didn't forget that. It just shouldn't be it just it's just he's shitty candidate and the pe- people shouldn't want him and again half the country's shouldn't want Donald Trump, but they can do. So I mean, I I feel like a lot of these. Sort of political conversations about the the horse race type stuff about the wall. You know, here's all the cross tabs. And here's the you know, the age the age breakouts. And here's the this. And the that that say that may be burnt burnt doesn't have all the support that he should have or or, you know, Biden first of all get the fuck and floor wiped with him if he goes up against Trump. It's going to be. Oh, yeah. It's gonna be hilarious. Just watched the same Hillary Clinton campaign. Just get absolutely crushed by Donald Trump. Again. It's hard to imagine him doing anything anything up against him. Like, what's he gonna do? Go up there until like tell Molyneaux is that they need to grow up and stop eating tide pods. Like that's literally his whole stance. Is that like young his whole positioning? Is that young people have to good? Yeah. I know. Great. It's awesome. And Google Joe. And so I guess my point is. It is true though that. Despite the fact that the progress issue by issue Americans prefer the more progressive or leftists or even if you wanna go as far as calling socialist, you know, positioning of each issue. Right. You know, if you if you if you in a vacuum if you present the concepts of Medicare for all versus the existing mishmash of private healthcare until you reach a certain age, and then you get like a shitty version of it. And then like you slowly stagger into Medicare Medicaid. You know, like if you present these issues on a case by case basis, then like, yeah. You know, the progressive issues ten to win out where I'm annoyed is would people have the conversations or these pundits have the conversations about the horse race in the cross tabs and the the polling data without the completely free of the the. The issue of issues the MAC that like it's I think it's irresponsible, and it's journalistic malpractice to not mention every single time that you're comparing Bernie and Joe Biden that Bernie's positions are better. And that his record is better than just empirically in every way, he has. He has the right opinions on things, and Joe Biden doesn't like I mean, if you can do the whole like cowardly journalism thing where you say, you know, where you where you caveat it or were you just present it at you don't have to use subjective. Terms, like better or worse. You can use terms that are born up facts like you more expensive better. You know, better outcomes. You know, you can use the language that's factual and still makes the point. I think it's ridiculous. Like, you can you can sit here. Listen to a podcast for like twenty thirty minutes from these assholes over at what is it? The fucking the political gabfest or whatever where all they do is talk about you know, with their fucking northern Virginia sensibilities about. How they you know, how the different tabulations in. How the, you know, different states and county level precincts are going to break one way or the other and how Biden is actually stronger candidate or maybe he's a weaker candidate without them ever fucking saying, oh, by the way, he sucks, he fucking sucks. Like you. You should have to say that. And I think not enough people said that about Hillary last time, even though I mean, she wore her sucking right on her fucking face. Like there was no escaping. What a dour candidate? She was. I mean, there was no getting away from it. Doing the same thing again. It's just the same thing. Yeah. And it's gonna be it's gonna be job. I'd let me tell you something else. Dave. So I'm not voting for. I don't care. I'm not voting for him in general election. I'm not I'm not gonna fucking pool. A I'm not gonna pull the fucking lever for this guy that represents everything that's wrong with the status quo. Everything that brought us Donald Trump. You know? Avowed centrism of Oude nothingness planting a flag firmly in the middle of every issue. So that the furthest right tendencies of this country can pull us even further further to the right acquiescing giving up ground from the fucking very beginning. And I know yeah. No, no, no surprise lefty. I'm fucking pinko. Right. But I don't care. I'm not gonna vote for that guy. I'm not gonna pull a lever for a guy who broke into politics by supporting segregation. I'm not gonna fucking vote for that guy. No care that it was forty years in the past doesn't matter. I I feel like by the by the time actual election day comes you may be able to talk me into not voting for him too. Because it's just really there's nothing about it that really. Really makes me want to all you gotta do is live in Florida to to not high. I could imagine if you live in Florida look from today that Miami Herald lawmakers work overtime, this is this is the culmination of again to remind everybody. In November the Blue Wave that hit like most of this country. Completely miss Florida. We got a couple of congresspeople to flip district's down here in south Florida, which is nice. But we I mean at a time where we literally had the worst governor in the entire maybe in the history of the country. We who was a Republican Rick Scott, he termed out, and we elected what another Republican Ron to Santa's who's going to be even worse governor and has proven to be an even worse governor than him. What did we do with Rick Scott? We turned him into our Senator we turned into a US Senator. We voted out on Bill Nelson. Who was just I don't even think he was alive. Use a dead guy. I think. So. With that as context right coming to the end of the first the first legislative session up in Tallahassee lawmakers work overtime to approve budget cap session full of cap succession full of conservative victories. When the when the book is written for twenty nineteen legislative session. It'll be this Republican lawmakers emboldened by more politically engaged governor, a more conservative supreme court and nimble new leaders in the house and Senate further tightened their grip on power scratching off several items from a longstanding wishlist of conservative priorities. So skipping down a little bit is a lot of crowing from Rondo Santa's our new governor. But this session. It wasn't about the budget was about Florida's hard right turn private school vouchers passed a ban on sanctuary cities passed allowing teachers to carry guns and school past free market health care reforms, which is basically just opening up the floodgates for for. Insurers to do all manner of horrible things to to to to the insured to all of us and to allow them to further radar. Our pockets for sub-standard bad care all were done in the last sixty days after years affiliate Republicans also manage to curtail to future threats to their power end of their donor base. Nearly sixty five percent of voters in overpass the historic amendment that would have allowed up to one point four million felons to vote like we were talking about before lawmakers session, gut it and to Santa's it Saturday. He wouldn't veto it in the closing hours of the legislative session. Friday night, lawmakers neutered future citizen driven constitutional amendments including two aiming for the twenty twenty ballot and loath by Republicans. One raises the minimum wage. The other allows energy quote, quote, unquote, energy choice in an effort to expand solar energy options. So those things they hate those things man just all special interests complete. Dominating every aspect of our government here. Just the fucking. The worst state government that there is I just I really do worry about you. Your mental. I guess. I just picture you on any any drive longer than fifteen minutes where you just like just sitting there just fuming. I just picture. I don't get that. It doesn't Miami. It's weird. We're so outside of it. Miami is like shut down its own little place. Like, it doesn't it exists outside of the borders of Florida, really. But it, but it it's like we are affected by the gravity of the dumbness and the the awfulness and the regressiveness and the just the the small pettiness of what Florida mostly is most of the state of Florida is petty angry rednecks that if you if you if you remove the major metropolitan areas, Orlando Broward County and Miami Dade County, it's mostly petty angry rednecks that are just bitter about fucking every day and blame everybody else for their problems. So I think the worst one the one that I wanted to talk about was Espy was one sixty eight which is the law that is making its way into into law that is going to endanger yet SP one succeed. It's going to target. It's going to target. It's the outlawing the sanctuary so-called sanctuary cities. And so what that means is places in Florida where? Local police had a certain way of dealing with people who are undocumented. They now are being they will now be in. So many words compelled to work with ice to ramp up enforcement to to raid people who are undocumented to raid immigrants and people who are undocumented, and it could lead to mass deportation of up to seven hundred fifty thousand people it's unsafe. It drives people further underground, it's. It's just a human rights violation. It's sure horrible horrible in. It's the law. Now, it's what it's what it is seems to be the kind of thing a big chunk of the country wants though, right? I mean, all the minority though still the minority it bears noting that like again over the course of the last eight ten years, you can put it anywhere. You want way more people? Millions more people have registered as Democrats in the state than Republicans. Millions more people have pulled levers for Democrats and Republicans. It's just the way that our status configured that right? Have a minority majority rule. We have a minority of people that make that that that put leaders into office on a state level, a Representative like state, Senator state representatives both houses, you know. The fact that we have a US congressperson US US Senator Rick Scott who is only in office because of the incompetence that was perpetuated from the supervisor of election and Broward County by fucking up his opponent's name in one of the heavily most have heavily. Democratic areas. It's in every single way. It's like, it's honestly, it's like bad news bears type shit. It's like, it's comical. It every way Democrats are not not that Democrats would be the saving grace per se because they've in a lot of cases show themselves to be like feckless and and and ineffective here. But I mean, at least something of a bulwark against the worst the worst elements of the human condition, which is embedded in the Republican party here, Florida. But yeah, that's that's where it's at. I think that the the worst one here in Miami that the teachers are never going to carry guns because we have a great administrator a great school supervisor schools Auburn Corallo in. That's it just it won't happen here. They won't be allowed to. But there's a lot of overreach happening, man. Like, there's a thing where they passed a ban a five year ban on cities being allowed to outlaw plastic straws. And this one is one of those stupid fucking like Breitbart issues like one of those issues that concern that the dumbest conservatives latch onto the the plastic straw thing. All right. It's like it's the lowest common denominator issue, but like single used plastics are fucking pointless at why why do you need to have them so badly? It's just part of the like owning the libs thing it, it doesn't serve any purpose. Like, I I know that there is a plastics lobby out there. And there are people who make money from those straws being made and yet shirt, but come on like how hold do you have to be every single fucking business interests? It's completely unnecessary. I dunno whatever it's fuck. It's as stupid as the issue itself. Sure. So, but meanwhile, other states are are moving further to the left, which is good Colorado justed, automatic voter registration. Did you see that? No. It didn't. So like, you're automatically registered to vote. They're good luck. Getting that to happen here in Florida. Yeah. Right. Like, it's seriously. I I don't know. I think that that's great. But I yeah. I can't imagine Staley. I can't imagine most states go into that. Because I mean, it's still just it's still way too. You know way too too much of one of those. Well, like, you said owning the libs kind of situation almost like the straws like it's one of those things where they have their bullshit. Like theories about illegal voters and all that stuff there. They don't wanna ever let anything like that happen. Even though it makes sense to to live in Florida is to have the perfect view of why the Joe Biden Nancy Pelosi. Philosophy that Donald Trump is just this aberration. He doesn't represent conservatives. He doesn't represent half of America to see why that's bullshit because to them to people from California or from DC or these like, you know, east coast establishment creatures it probably even still three years into the presidency. It probably still feels like this is just some crazy bad dream that on of his can wake up from and we need to wait until twenty twenty and we'll be able to snap our fingers, and it'll it'll it'll fix it self because there's no way this is going to happen again. I challenge any of them to spend a year down here. Spend one election cycle down here in Florida and see the way that the people have become see the way that the people not in Miami so much because we have conservatives here we have like the old guard Cubans, but they're mostly getting phased out like half of the old Cubans that I know that kids fill out their their voter. They're they're like thirty to forty year old kids fill out their their ballots for them. And so like their their votes their old conservative aren't beginning. Counted they're just getting counted as democratic votes anyway. So. Not Miami so much and not Orlando in the Puerto Rican so much, but like an that particular stripe of liberal metropolitan people that live there, and you know, the sort of professional managerial class of Disney corporate workers, the thousands of thousands of them that live in in central Florida. But everything else in the state like all this is a pretty densely populated state. It's the third most populous state in the union at pass New York a couple years ago. And so it's it's the third largest eight and the people that are moving to a lot of these enclaves like the villages and shit like that they're not they're super politically active, and they're red meat Trump, supporting Republicans, they're not reading, you know, national review, they're not. Reading George Will's column in the Washington Post. They're not thoughtful, William F, Buckley style conservatives there. Like light Callan capper, Nick jerseys on fire conservatives there that kind of service. They're not they're they're social issue conservatives, they're one who care way more about things like. Care more about you know, like I said before the the care about Mimi issues me. Yeah. Exactly care about being mean. And and making people below them feel I was saying me m- as in an issue to get. Yeah. You're out of that matter to like, they care more about like, you know, captured jerseys and blue lives matter type shit. Yeah. Exactly hit like, that's that's that's the animating force of of of what they are. They care about sanctuary cities. And all the angel moms and all the little angel babies that are being ruthlessly murdered every single day by this tide of violent illegal immigrants that are killing you know. Babies in the street. And roving MS thirteen gangs at job agai like Joe Biden. Really? I don't think he's capable of seeing it because the Republicans he knows are the William F Buckley Republicans the Republicans. He knows hard George will. They're the ones who the like, you know, the twenty Republicans left in the in the whole country who are housebroken, and aren't you know, re tweeting white nationalists and shit like that the ones that's that's what that's Joe Biden knows. And that's who he still thinks the Republican party is and which that's insane it he's wrong. It's funny too. Because I feel like he Joe Biden must know at least one guy one friend of his who can go tell him exactly what the Republican party is right now, maybe like one old friend of his who had their entire presidency stifled by racist. And right out. If only he knew one guy if there was one that he used to be friends with who could call them up and be like Joe. Tell you watch what you're saying. And. You cray. Then he drops the Mike. Yeah. Because he's so cool right them. Joe Biden, just pisses his pants shits himself and falls over. It's just like falls over on the way down grabs five women's breasts like trying to find balance. That's that's the skit the skit is Joe Biden flustered from a surprise appearance. From Brock Obama falls over in trying to stand up everything he reaches four to try to stand up is a woman's body part. And he can't like he can't find a stable like a table of the he can't find a banister every time he reaches up. It's just another woman's body part and like. Wakes up in a cold, sweat, and it was a nightmare. We need an animator to make this little thing. He thinks it's a doorknob. It's not it's an ass. He evenings like. Like a light fixture. He could pull himself up on. It's not it's another woman's breasts. Underside of women's arm. Something you know, like the back of a woman's knee some other inappropriate shit that you're not supposed to be touching like. Yeah. That's that's. By campaign nutshell, and he's gonna win. He's gonna win. Like eight hundred delegates on Super Tuesday. Just because just because like the same part of your brain. That tells you when you walk into an elevator to turn around and look forward. It's the same part of the democrat brain that says to vote for Joe Biden in primary. Okay. Here's a quite basal. What is that? Like, the reptile part of your brain the part that we've had since we first came out of water. The like, I don't know what you call that. It's responsible for like basic motor function. That's the thing that makes you say like Joe Biden. So the part that alligators the parts like alligators. The that makes an, you know, have you ever seen an alligator go into a role into the death roll? It's just primal like it's this primal primordial really instinctual survival mechanism that like not only are they insuring their own survival. But they're ensuring their next meal, and and like that that instinct runs parallel in the human brain with the instinct to vote for a centrist candidate. Who are you more annoyed with those people with those instincts? Or me. No. Or the or the establishment who is pushing him on us. All oh, I mean, it's kinda hard to. I'm into I'm camps. It's a good question. Because I'm starting my new thing where I'm. I'm going to do the opposite of what all candidates do. And maybe one day if a run for office, I'll export this strategy into my campaign. I'm gonna start blaming voters. More and holding them accountable. Be more blaming the Solis wretches that occupy these campaigns and the and the the case treat consultancies the lobbying firms the apparatus that's like that's like getting mad at the weather. It's it's like getting mad at at the at the alligator for for eating its prey like that's just what it does. It's getting mad at mad at water for filling the shape of the object that it's inside of. It's just nature. It's what it's doing. It doesn't know anything else. And it's it's it's it has no soul. It's not even making a decision. It's like getting mad at a vampire, it doesn't matter. Like that's of empire. Fucking does. Normal people out there the voters out there who are making the decision that Joe Biden with all the information available to them not getting paid. Because I'm like, these consultants the reason that this consultants are the creatures of instinct, and the creatures of instinct that they are because they're making really good fucking money doing it. I can't really blame them for that. Like. Most people would probably do the same thing if these fucking voters these people who are just on Joe Biden side, just for the organic like natural joy of being a Joe Biden person. Just for like be like yet. I've considered all information that's out there and based on all that information. This guy's the best guy in my opinion. I think it's somehow comes down to name recognition alone. Well, at this stage a lot of it is named recognition. And that's kind of we're lighting that right now, we're kind of like not talking about that. Which is the reason that that Bernie is so high. I mean, also too, you know, in a lot of these in this most recent poll, the first major once Biden actually announce his candidacy, he Biden, his wiping the floor with Bernie, but I mean, name recognition, and the sort of prisoner of the moment media cycle has a lot to do with that shit. And a lot of that gets even. Doubt down the road, a little ways a less your base pot populace your voting population is just profoundly stupid and addicted to bad television. Then Donald Trump's name is at the top the entire time. Like, it's crazy to think about it. But think about it. Donald Trump didn't take a single fucking L during the whole. I mean, like, yeah, you could say Texas like went to cruise, but. Like, okay. He's the Senator from Texas. Like, I don't even think I would have to look it up. But I don't even think cases beat him in Ohio. Right. I mean, Donald Trump was a fucking juggernaut through his his primary season. Not a single person touched him. He was leading from the moment that he said that he was running and he never nobody got ever within like twenty points in the polls of him. Everybody was fighting for distant distant distant distant second. And like, I don't think it's going to be that way. You know, the. The democrat base is a little bit more thoughtful. And in recent years has become more educated. And is also like crazy engaged because half of them are are have lost their fucking minds and become too two online with like hashtag, resists and hashtag collusion brain poisoning. But say what you will about that brain poisoning. It's made them more engaged. It's made them into more Taibbi. I guess you could say informed voters. They've they're like definitely like there's a whole group of democratic voters out there living in like major metropolitan cities major metropolitan areas who have replaced. Sports fandom with political fandom like the same little tickle that you get in your brain from watching your team win or lose. They've kind of moved away from that in the moved into the realm of politics, which is horrifying terrifying. The fucking wars worst elements in this country. That people feel that way. But I mean, I don't know eighteen years ago nineteen years ago in in during the presidential election. Then the big complaint was that. Nobody notion about politics, and nobody pays attention attention to it and same thing in two thousand four people were like low voter turnout. Nobody gives a fuck about politics anymore and people don't know enough. They don't know enough about the issues that you could debate that people remain as uninformed on issues, and they're more animated Kim by those really dumb things that we were talking about before. But I would argue. Contrary to a lot of the people who said that the whole Russian narrative would allow Democrats to ignore the parts of their campaign that didn't work which is true. They tried to do that they tried to ignore the fact that they put forward a profoundly flawed candidate and Hillary Clinton, and they did try to pin it all on Russia, and all of these, you know, Komi and all these other issues, but. Helluva lot more people today know about what Medicare for all is than they did. Sure. At in two thousand sixteen hell of a lot more people are shit. People are talking about universal basic income. Yeah. People are talking about letting people people are talking about letting felons currently incarcerated vote. These are issues that were so far outside of that hate to use the over the overused, you know, the overused phrase, the Overton window, but like Yemen. These are things that are just even just saying that Israel that the government of Israel might be bad and might do things. Sometimes like all of these things didn't exist in the democratic platform. They weren't in the discourse they weren't things that people were arguing about. You know, tuition free college. Nobody was talking about that not in any real way. There was like the Hillary Clinton trade in your tax credits for like hours work that, you know, McKinsey and associates or when ver-, but like do an internship with, you know, the US embassy in Saudi Arabia beheading gay people, and you'll be able to you know, it'd be able to pay off your college in more preferable, terms, or whatever. But. Yeah. I mean, these horrible neoliberal fucking means tested solutions that she was putting forward in lieu of actual progressive policies. That was then today the conversation I feel like is way more focused, and I don't think that like half step solutions are going to get by as easily people keep trying to put forward. These have you seen these out there like different organizations will pop up like third way or like Medicare? They'll they'll have names like Medicare for America for all or some shit like none. And then you look at who the board of the organizations are it'll be like Medicare for everyone or or like, I don't know. They're just like these derogations of Medicaid Medicare for all. And you look at the the the I tell is that you look at the their boards, and who their advisory committees are and who their executives are and. All big pharma people like, you know, it's all like the CEO of Aetna. And this this job United Healthcare and shit like that immediately that should be a big red flag. Like, okay, these people probably are not the ones that are putting forward the policies that are not interested in putting the policies that would result in everybody getting good healthcare. They're more interested in commodities or remain keeping healthcare as a commodity, right? For as much longer as much longer as they can to the cr- the credit of online voters people that I see talking on Twitter at the very least, which is a tiny subject subsection of the world. But nonetheless, that's just not cutting. It people are calling that out immediately like people become literate on that topic. That's the kind of messaging opposite Gatien bullshit that would've worked just three years ago that would've worked it did work. I mean, Hillary Clinton. I'm not one of these. I'm not one of these like. Progressives or or or democratic socialists who thinks that like Bernie was cheated like, obviously the Democratic Party wanted Hillary to win and they did everything they could to get her to win. But Bernie also did not win like Hillary one. She did win somewhat fairness where like they they definitely helped her. But like. It's not she she was going to win that democratic primary. No matter even if even if the DNC had stayed. Completely neutral and not helped her out. She was gonna win that primary like, unfortunately. Because that's that's the nature of the voters. They're bad bad, folks. Anyway, I say. Spare the rod kill the child. I think trying to say. Just kill the chill. I think that is a really good. Yeah. That would really help a lot of things if you know, if we could all just come to agree on that. But. I don't know. Would you think of sonic? Are you gonna actually on sonic? Don't please don't I I don't know. We might. We'll see what happens. But I do think it's a worthwhile thing to talk about like that. This is a very troubling trends, if they're going to continue to change movies based on quote, unquote, the internet's reaction. That's an example of something that probably would have been like changed in the past that looked shitty. I'll tell you. What would have been changed jar banks? Did I don't have any memory of charger beings becoming? I don't have any memory of judge being being aware of what Jarvis was before the movie came out like wasn't that just like a surprise when the movie came out that there was this shit ass. Character. I don't know because I remember the south park guys made fun of him before the movie came out like they already they they thought just based on the one. Yeah. The no they said based on the one little shot of him in the trailer that they already thought he looked stupid. And so they made a character out of him. Here's one until you one. With advance knowledge if the internet in Twitter specifically existed the way that it does today in nineteen eighty nine. They would have recast Michael Keaton as Batman there wouldn't have kept him. Even though he people love Michael him. After the fact, but I think one thing you're forgetting people talk shit about that choice. Like, see? I don't remember that. Yeah. Is that true? That was telling you that was like Michael Keaton, Mr. mom like he was a comedic actor. He had sure. Yeah. It was a weird casting. That's for sure these days, it would be an inspired casting. But back then we associated those kind of characters with being like, I don't know. Like, you need it like Arnold Schwarzenegger or something or one of the list of of the back, then of the like six acceptable superhero, actor not superhero like action star actors like six right there loan. There was Bruce Willis there was Arnold. There was like dolph Lundgren. There was there wasn't that many? There was a few. And now there's what I saw the other day a clipping somebody had found like an actual clipping from two thousand nine I think or two thousand. Eight maybe where it's head. It's at marvel decides to hang tentpole on complete unknowns. And it was it was Chris Henry's. Hills plays low. Yeah. Yeah. Actors now. Oh, yeah. They're so big. You know, actually, that's another thing. I wanted to bring rate. Yes. They absolutely did. That's another thing. I wanted to bring up real quick just to kinda squeeze a little movie talk in. But. As a couple of chubby guys. What do you think about this backlash against fat th or it being like a cheap shot at Marvel's part making fun of Thors mental state and his physique in the movie bullshit come on. I think people out of what is to be with the argument is like I'm the explain to me. I'm the the the the woke agreement person. And I'm coming cable pissed off about like, what what is my what is my case that they are making a joke out of his mental health, and the fact that he's let himself go and he slipped into like, alcohol depression is in that make that person actually the the person who's coming with that opinion is actually the aggressor because they're the ones that are saying that that that's a trope. I don't think that marvel or the whatever the Russo brothers or whatever the ones that are saying that it's a trope. They were outlining one specific character for that. For the woke complainant grievance person to come to the tables making come to the table making that observation is for them to tell on themselves as them thinking that they're the one. Shooting seems like it hold that that that presupposition. So what you're saying makes sense. But that's not the way that they're approaching it on the Twitter's and the internet's. Come at you again with my shit that I always say point to me to the person doing that. Who is it who's the? Interesting sweater mobile people Witter playing or doing it show me a person show me one just show me a person, not just like fucking ravioli sucker. Eight like show me a human living person. That is like I don't know like junior culture reporter for Huffington Post said this or something like that. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna find one after send it to you. I promise because I've seen people complain about it this goes back to shit where it's like. Yeah. This is this is traps, man. And you guys you because all my friends are like you, and you all fucking fall for these traps constantly, you fall for them all the time about the whole the internet. These people are on the internet trying to just ruin a good time. And it's like I feel like you're getting print at feel like that. There's not actually people doing this stuff. So is anyone offended about anything? Do you think? I feel bad because the inflection near voice sounded like you, really said, whatever you just said with a lot of thority, but I didn't hear any of it because you cut out. Doesn't matter. When you saying everybody offended by anything is that what you're saying. That's that's what I said. I'm sure that there are but. As in everything in life. The truth is somewhere in the middle there. Right. So yeah, there's probably some people who were like there are people who are out there outreach trolling. But. If those people were were on bass masters the fishing show. They would be raking it because every single one of them cast out a line. They bait the line that take up a little worm. The little worm says something like don't fat theme. Should don't fat? Shame thor. Or, you know, Taylor SWIFT's two white or something like that. They made their hook and the cast little fish out into the ocean of Twitter, and with that little that little worm out of the ocean of Twitter and with that little worm. They catch you. They catch Joe Rogan. They catch of all the like anti PC guys. They catch all of the right wing. They get all of Fox News everybody. They catch all of you. You all get caught by that ship, and it can be just one fucking moron. Who says something like that and everybody jumps onto it. I just found the moron lacy Jade Christie from the guardian. The head that's perfectly perfectly her knee is being her name is fate. The headline is avengers Eddin game was brilliant. But the fat shaming broke, my heart. By the way, this is probably the only article and every other article is probably quoting this article. You're probably right. It's a fucking chamber. And of course, it's the same shit with who got the who got body. Shamed is boyfriend have you seen this? I know we're guy. Terribly. He's in fine shape, and his he's totally normal. Dude. That's fear. Could you sport for sure? Got our things like. But I'm not gonna let missile fall for it. Not gonna let myself fall for it. Again. There's maybe two people who said who who made a comment about the guy. Yeah. People of consequence with more one of them is one of them is Adam Freeland from coming just look at its Adam fucking living. Bog? Look, we all we should be celebrated leftist progressive men we all bat so far out of our league. Dude exception every one of us has no business being with the with me, you Adam Friedland actually doesn't either. See none of it was he's boyfriend. None of us deserve to be with the girl that we're with. 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1. I Must Destroy Him | Gene and Roger

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1. I Must Destroy Him | Gene and Roger

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It took place a few decades ago. So the audio is a little rough. But i'll give you an idea of why for nearly twenty five years. Gene siskel and roger ebert were the most popular film critics in the country with life. Crowds you but i really like for a lot as the fragment well then i'm going to be a major view. Let me explain why i was. I knew what was going to happen in picture. I mean everyone knows what's going to happen. I got caught up in both of it by. I don't remember rocky. Four is the one where america beat russia and wins a cold war forever also politics gets a robot anyway. The guy getting so caught up in rocky four. That's gene siskel. The chicago tribune rounded. He's tall and thin with this famously heartedness forehead. And he's wearing with gene. Pretty much always wore on tv a sensible sweater and unbreakable smirk back there and enjoy. The film is a great hour and a half two popcorn. By and i want more can make another great. I want rocky pot. I don't want wacky size keys. Don't give me rocky five. I thought you'd rather have halloween five. I wouldn't have halloween five. And i don't want a thirteenth amazed about if you wanted. Rocky ford movie is the bottom of the barrel their over at the beginning and the guy begging rocky to retire. That's roger ebert the chicago sun-times. He's shorter and rounder than his partner. Something that was pointed out quite a bit in the eighties but he gene really were a striking duo to guys. Who seemed like complete opposites for this rocky ford debate. Rogers also wearing a tasteful sweater sweater vest actually and even though he's got these really thick glasses you can see him shoot. Gina look of disbelief. Or maybe it's discussed is absolutely formula fire and it is not and even the fight at the end. They went at it this way for decades every week. Gene and roger sat in an empty theater showed a few clips from the latest releases and talked. That's it no big star interviews goofy trail reactions just too smart middle-aged writers from chicago the baiting would ever movies they'd seen. This was a very unusual formula for a hit show especially in the eighties when primetime was full of dopey sitcoms and glitzy soaps but millions of viewers tuned. In to watch this neighbor. I was one of them every sunday. I'd rush home to catch the ball guy in the guy to be honest. Sometimes i watch just starting to get a look at r. rated movies. Our parents didn't want me to see robocop but and roger warren my parents. They could show the craziest seen from that movie at eleven o'clock in the morning. Mostly though i watched gene and roger to learn about film they talked about cinematography and the pleasure of a good performance about old movies and why they're so important to understanding new movies and they did so in a way. That didn't make you feel intimidated or on educated about film instead. Gene and roger brought the movie conversation out of the theater lobby and into your home and invited you. Listen along at the end of each episode of siskel ebert gene and roger would deliver their verdicts on the week's big movies thumbs up or thumbs down if that sounds quaint. Now remember that back then. There was no internet no tomato meter so cisco neighbors votes had power if they gave a film their trademark. Two thumbs up whether it was my dinner with andre or anaconda movie goers would take it seriously and if they went thumbs down wolf burt reynolds who start in several poorly reviewed movies call gene and roger. The bruise brothers. Eddie murphy wants noted that a two thumbs down verdict could kill a film. You could gripe about cisco neighbors decisions and they made some truly strange calls over the years like when they both gave reservoir dogs a thumbs down it even if you disagree with them about a movie you always wanted to know why they voted the way they did. They could boil down big observations in a just a few quick cutting sentences and while they got heated at times they were never mean to each other most importantly they were able to sound smart without ever coming off his show offi. It was such a simple approach to movie reviewing when they first teamed up. No one else was doing it. They were the only game in town and this was sort of a new thing. This is chaz ebert roger's wife and business partner for more than two decades to midwestern guys sitting in movie chairs redoing the movies people kind of went a little gaga over when gene and roger were both really high on a movie. It was so much fun to sit and talk about it with them because they like to go back and forth and then wait a minute. What about this part. You probably have a cisco in your life or bird. It's the one friend you can debate anything with and never have to worry about being impolite or incorrect. Minds my buddy ryan whom. I've been arguing with for. Oh thirty years now. hey ryan gene. Roger simply had those same conversations on tv every week for decades that banter would make cisco ebert famous and change the way people in media talk or at least how they try to talk not just about film but about sports politics television fashion or even history. Some of your favorite talk shows and podcasts are indebted is this going. Ebert style including espn's long-running pardon the interruption. Let's do it again. Do it again assumes you're donate for fifteen in game three and said he was dead. Pti creator and producer. Eric ride home grew up in chicago and lives right around the corner from roger ebert and watching his hometown. Heroes at work was an early lesson. In what makes good tv. What i found with siskel and ebert is you saw the best versions of themselves on television. You saw them come to life and you saw them as the human beings that you are. You didn't see them as analysis you saw two people who could get under each other's skin sometimes personally but mostly about what it is that they just watched this thing that they have passion about when the people on the screen are passionate about something. The audience tends to be passionate about the discussion. It's been more than two decades since gene cisco and roger ebert reviewed a movie together. I really miss them and not just because they helped me figure out what movies i should see. Mostly i missed listening to them. Get lost in conversation. Gene siskel died in one thousand nine nine. Roger ebert passed away in two thousand thirteen but in a weird way. Gene and roger are just as influential now. They were in their heyday. They taught an entire generation how to argue and for better and worse. Created the blueprint for modern media. Anytime you see to sports nurse going at it be assumed screen or listen to pair of movie. Podcasters bemoaned the oscar nominations. Well they're just doing cisco neighbor whether they know it or not. So how did gene. And roger become tv superstars in the first place and why do their opinions and the way they share them still hold so much sway years. After the off the air over the next eight episodes. I'll talk to their friends. Family members and fans to find out how cisco neighbor became bigger than the big screen for the ringer. I'm brian raftery. And this is gene. And roger if you've only watched old cisco nubrik clips on youtube. It might be hard to comprehend. Just how popular. They were and for just how long in the eighties and nineties. They appeared on magazine covers primetime specials and sanae episodes and they were on every talk show. You can imagine there have been many memorable duos in the history of cinema but not as memorable as my next two guests. They probably today's most influential film. Critics real pleasure having them on the show this evening. They have an incredible syndicated show at the movies. I always wash their wonderful together. They've added a new twist to film criticism and the audiences seem to love it. Please welcome it's fun to have these gentlemen with us. Roger ebert and gene from their earliest years together gene and roger were always cisco ebert it was hard for their fans to think of them as separate entities. I no at a trade show one Appearing at you know they had a booth chain decided to walk around. That's marlene nicholson. Who was married. Jean cisco for nearly twenty years failed guy said hey if you walk around. You have to walk around together alone. Nobody no issue put together a will gene and roger were easy to recognize. So was there format every episode cover about five or six movies. They sit in. The show's fake movie theater set and present a few clips from each film. Then they jump into their debate. The producers called that back and forth the crosstalk and it was what everyone at home waited for. The crosstalk might be contentious or or both but the conversations tended to be dramatic because gene and roger usually didn't know how the other critic felt about a movie even if they'd watched it together they would immediately league the screening afterwards. No j. cat producer. Nancy diaz know. How are you doing. what do you plan during. They just would leave the theater and go off and do their own writing from their fake theater balcony in chicago. Gene roger were firsthand witnesses to huge changes. In hollywood. they started reviewing movies at the peak of the seventies boom became celebrities in the heyday of the eighties blockbuster and spent their final years together. Chronicling the indy revolution of the nineties and they covered every film. They could devoting just as much time to a little known foreign language. Movie as they would to a tom cruise extravaganza watching those cisco neighbors segments. Now is like watching a quarter century of film history broken down into five minute clips for example. If you weren't alive in nineteen ninety. It might be hard to appreciate the impact. Martin scorsese's goodfellas had when it was released but jean-ann rogers reaction to the film captures just how exciting and seismic the movie fell time. You can sense how it affected them. Not just as movie critics but as movie lovers. They sound almost dazed. And it's a fascinating movie. it's a it's a great american film. I i've seen it twice. I'm going back lots more times than what i'll go back for. Is small things. editing scenes. Do the way he jumps in on dialogue the way. There's the whole sequence about one of the radio character gets into drugs and it's shot in a whole different fashion. Because he's high on drugs scorsese. The artists wants to show us that. It's very and you can also also mentioned the scene when somebody doesn't realize he's about to get killed and then he realizes that in that moment of realization is like a hammer blow from the screen. Those old clips are also reminders. That the movies we see as classics today weren't uniformly beloved. At the time no film ever really achieves critical consensus. They're always dissenting voices. And all the time. Those voices belong to jean roger. They didn't care what other reviewers thought and they didn't care if their opinions on a film were unpopular. Here's roger taking down die hard and with a movie like this once you start picking out the loopholes and there are a lot of them. It doesn't matter how good the stunt or the special effects are or even how. Good bruce willis. You just can't stay interest. I did stay interested for balance. Here's jeanne voting thumbs down on silence of the lambs worked for me work. Well then you're easy. Because i because for me i thought oh come on. Guy who's truly frightening doesn't need You know a huge organ playing in the background. I didn't fight it all the movies moments like this for. I'd be sitting in front of the tv saying oh come on. Sometimes i couldn't believe what gina roger were saying but even when i disagree with their opinions i'd keep coming back week after week. It was almost like watching the news. If you wanted to know what films are out there and what people were saying about them you had to watch this go kneeboard and they made it seem as though the only thing more exciting going to the movies was talking about them. We'll be right back. This episode is brought to you by bank of america. We live in a changing world. But who's working to change it for the better on the bank of america original podcast that made all the difference host. 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Buy online and choose from curbside pickup or home delivery in select markets. Then take a full month and up to fifteen hundred miles to love it or return it. That's car shopping. The way it should be at carmax learn more at carfax dot com. jean rogers. Tv fame didn't come easily and there are other movie. Critics who pave the way for their success in the fifties. It wasn't unusual to see writers like bosnia crowder rex. Free talk about film on a panel show years later movie critic. Pauline kale approved to be one of the few movie. Writers sharpen unpredictable on the tv screen as she wasn't the page and in the early seventies. A frizzy-haired mega mustache critic named gene Joined the today show quickly becoming known for his tightly scripted. Puns and one liners santa. Say stanley kubrick is responsible for the dulling of the shining as a decade went on local. Newscast in big cities began hiring their own movie critics. And if you were a young movie buff in the seventies like filmmaker quentin tarantino. You make sure to tune in. It wasn't what we would consider real analysis. They were more almost more like consumer advocates. Talk to billy budd. And he's going to let you know whether you should waste your money on that. New conan the barbarian movie and they'll be coming up at six. You might know the name of the newspaper you might know. Candy's name and you might know the if your local newspaper but you definitely knew the name of the guy on on. The local newscast is becoming clear. That tv was the perfect medium for talking about movies. That's why nineteen seventy-six a producer and documentarian named thea flow was called into a meeting. Wtt w a respected pbs affiliate chicago. I was new on the staff and the head of production said to me. Do you like movies. And i said i love movies. The wtt w brass had an idea for a new series. Take to film critics. Arm them with footage from the latest movies and get out of their way at the time. Tv was full of talking heads going head to head in the sixties. The snarky gory. Dial william f. Buckley had become known for their small screen quarrels and one of sixty minutes. Most popular segments was a two person debate called point counterpoint. Every week the shows tens of millions of viewers tuned into watch. Experts argue about the same arguing about now. Jack spent the holidays flying back and forth across this country. And i'm worried. The place seems all out of focus sea to shining sea. Everybody's mad as hell but they're not sure what the city's rotting farmlands or idle. This rank goes on from minute and a half and features gazillion complaints and one point. She's literally complaining about how bad seventies food tastes. We both loan many times in coast to coast but we see a different land below point. Counterpoint was basically. What would happen if debbie downer and sam. The eagle had their own debate show but it focused on current events. No one had produced a successful debate. Show about movies. And after hearing the pitch. Flown was intrigued. Said well that that sounds great. What could be more perfect for television in talking about the movies and showing clips from the movies right kind of been obvious idea when you think about it in fact it was so obvious the station at already given it a go but the results have been pretty disastrous said. Well we did a pilot and it was really not good. Just pass me won't look at it so that original pilot the to an camera host had been roger ebert gene siskel though few people ever saw it gene in rogers first tv pilot which was taped in the fall of nineteen. Seventy five was notable for several reasons. Most of them not good. One was clunky title opening soon. Dot dot dot at a theater near you then. There was the jonty theme song. Plus you had gene swinging seventy style which included a bushy moustache and a butterfly collar wide enough to trap actual butterflies. But what really stands out about. The pilot is how little charisma gene. And roger had together at the time they were both relative newcomers to tv. Gene had recently started reviewing movies for a local chicago station. He later host an emmy. Winning avant-garde live monthly colin. Show called nightwatch where he screened underground videos. The show was so ahead of its time. Gene had a convinces viewers. It was actually airing live. You can call me right after you see a film. This show is live if it were not live. If we're on tape you couldn't call me. And i want you to call me otherwise. I'm going to be sitting in this channel. Eleven studio talking to myself. Rogers tv experience included a few on air news pieces as well as some intros for film series focusing on director ignore bergman and if you want to see roger not comfortable in front of a camera she should look it was introductions for guy and in this movie. His name was spiegel. Which is swedish for mirror still even though cisco ebert were polish tv pros flom was a fan of both critics and thought it was worth bringing them back for another try. The seventies was turning out to be a great era for film among the movie says covered in the pilot were one flew over the cuckoo's nest and dog day afternoon at the time film. Not television was leading. The cultural conversation and a regular tv show about movies had a potentially huge audience. So i called them invited them both to lunch and totally idea that we would work out a way to do a tv show where we would talk about movies. And they were both really pissed at the station because they did highlighting. Nobody ever called him afterward. The critics were also suspicious of working with each other for years. Cisco neighbor had been locked in passive aggressive combat. They were the film critics at two of the best known newspapers. Not only in the city but in the country gene at the chicago tribune and roger at the chicago sun-times where he'd really wanna pulitzer prize a first for a film critic. You have to remember. This was when newspapers had massive circulations and long running rivalries and gene and roger worked just a few blocks from one another as they recalled years later they had no choice but to see each other as enemies. It's been my mission. Since i was twenty three years old to beat him. that's eighteen years ago. He is the one person in chicago. But i must destroy in print. We didn't speak to each other at all the first nine years that we knew each other before we started doing the show and then they asked us we would like to do the show with each other and my original response wasn't now what do i have to do. A show with gene siskel for. I can do a show all by myself. According to jeans wife marlene the feeling was mutual. They had some initial hostility. Perhaps know about hostility. If that's the right word but you know they were competing main. They just really liked to one up each other. Which was great. And we're healthy. But i think in the beginning listen. They were newspaper people. What did they know about. Television is not something you walk in jail. it was up the thea- flown to convince the critics. They were better off. Teaming up. Gene said All right so tell me why should you. This is said to full of my young arrogance. Because i can teach you how to be better on television. And if we do this right. I promise you that i think this will be the most popular half hour. Television series on pbs. Before through many decades later flow man. Roger ebert would recall that fateful. Lunch avenue said what are you boys fighting. This show is going to be a hit. It's going to be on nationally not locally. You're still going to be doing it in twenty years someday. You're going to be producing it yourselves. Spanked don't fight it. You saw that and we didn't see it. We didn't believe in. I think at first we saw the show as a battlefield. Flames instincts were correct. The show was bound to be a hit for siskel ebert. The fights were only beginning. And you were really a arch competitors blue huggy huggy ohi our you know not at all no no. I was friendly with the other. Two film critics town but gene. And i were kind of. We would be on the elevator together alone looking at the numbers changing over the door for gene roger. Becoming cisco neighbor would be a battle at times both onscreen and off but in the years to come the two men would former remarkable partnership one that would make them as recognizable as the actors and directors they comfort in some ways the story of gene and roger plays like a film itself a buddy comedy full of big twists and brutal one-liners. It starts out fast and ends too soon and no one. It would ever look movies in quite the same way again. This season on gene and roger. The great thing was that they had big egos. The really tough thing wasn't they had big egos and that was the challenge. Is the room big enough for both of these guys. I would see some of the knockdown drag out fights. They had when they were filming. And i could see that gene knew how to push roger buttons. It took a while for them to get the hang of it. Sometimes it would be unpleasant. And i would walk out there into the studio and say that's not gonna fly to unpleasant. Nobody wants to be sitting at home and seeing that. Let's do it again. I think those experiences together be coming celebrity. The conflict vessel. He sees pulp fiction there. And i come. Hey so roger what do you think It's either one of the best movies i've ever seen or it's one of the worst and i need to see it again before i decide. Chaz is clutching hands. And i just clutched the other one and he said i know this is what i know. I think something must be wrong with gene. I don't know about. It was professional and held together. But i could tell he was kind of like this teddy bear with all the stepping out without gene. Was there show. Gene and roger is written and reported by me. Brian raftery was story. Editing by amanda dobbins the show was executive produced by sean fantasy producers are amanda dobbins noah molly bobby wagner an isaac lead music and sound design bicycling copy editing was done by craig gains and fact checking by columbia coats. Art director is david shoemaker. 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It's wednesday june sixteenth. This is the world and everything in it from listener supported world radio record and on nick anchor. Good morning time now for the news. Here's can't covington. Reporters fired questions. President biden in geneva shortly after his arrival ahead of todays face to face meeting with vladimir putin biden has called the russian president a worthy adversary and a said he hopes to find areas of cooperation with putin but he has also warned that if russia continues at cyber attacks and other aggressive acts toward the united states quote. We will respond in kind back in washington. The president has plenty of backing from both sides of the aisle to stand up to moscow. Republican congressman. Michael mccall i think he should say no more. We're not gonna take anymore. We are going to respond. We there will be consequences and we are going to hit you back. This will be biden's first meeting with putin. As commander-in-chief president biden this week has held long days of meetings with heads of state at the g. Seven nato and us eu summits and on tuesday biden and european officials announced a breakthrough at a long and bitter trade dispute. The two sides have agreed to end a seventeen year. Rift silver aircraft. Subsidies for us-based boeing and france-based airbus european commission president or ceelo vonda lien told reporters agreement. We now really opens a new chapter in our relationship because we moved from litigation to cooperation on aircraft and that after almost twenty years of disputes. The deal is expected to lift billions of dollars. In punitive tariffs the us imposed seven and a half billion dollars in tariffs on european exports and twenty nineteen. The world trade organization ruled that the e you had not complied with it's rulings on subsidies for airbus. The eu retaliated last november with four billion dollars in punitive duties after the wto ruled that the us had provided. Illegal subsidies to boeing. The airbus boeing ordeal was the longest running dispute in the history of the world trade organization. The biden says it plans to step up efforts to prevent domestic terrorism in the united states. The national security council on tuesday unveiled a new strategy to counter domestic threats at includes the sharing of intelligence with law enforcement agencies and working with tech companies to eliminate certain content online attorney. General merrick garland told reporters tuesday that his words domestic violent extremists pose an elevated threat to the homeland in twenty twenty one. Our experience on the ground confirms this. The number of open. Fbi domestic terrorism investigations. This year has increased significantly every port from the office of the director of national intelligence stated that white supremacist groups and anti-government militias pose. The highest risk garland said the president's budget requests for the next fiscal year will seek one hundred million dollars in funding for the justice department to counter domestic extremist threats. The united states passed a grim milestone on tuesday officially the us death toll from covid nineteen has surpassed six hundred thousand however to other numbers. Or cause for encouragement. The united states just saw its first day with new infections. Below ten thousand since march of twenty twenty and daily pandemic related deaths have dropped to around three hundred and forty. That too is a figure not seen. Since march of last year just days after covid nineteen was first declared a pandemic the daily death toll now just one tenth of the level seen january peak of more than three thousand while most corona virus restrictions have been lifted in the states. Many remain in place in canada. And police and calgary this week arrested the pastor of a baptist church for allegedly violating covid nineteen restrictions. World's kristen fluff and reports pastor. Tim stevens of calgary's fairview baptist. Church is behind bars awaiting a june twenty eighth hearing. Police arrested him on monday and charged him with violating a court order. Authorities say stevens is church was not falling pandemic related safety rules including limits on crowd size social distancing and face coverings alberta health services says authorities served pastor stevens with a court order prior to sunday services officials. Say he acknowledged the order but when forward anyway with an outdoor service in violation of covid nineteen regulations. J cameron a lawyer with the justice center for constitutional freedom told. Cbc news quote. We will challenge his arrest and defend against the new health charge reporting for world. I'm kristen flahavan. N i'm kent. Covington straight ahead. Christians in afghanistan prepare for a taliban takeover lost the push to create soldiers for social change in california public schools. This is the world and everything in it. It's wednesday the sixteenth of june. Twenty twenty one. Glad to have you along for today's edition of the world and everything in it. Good morning. i'm nick mary record. First today. the trials ahead for afghanistan. Speaking in brussels on monday president biden said that while the us military is pulling out of afghanistan. The united states is not abandoning the afghan people. Our troops are coming home. We agreed that our diplomatic economic monetary commitment to the afghan people are supported. Afghan national defensive security forces will endure. But what that. Us support in. Afghanistan will look like in the months and years ahead is not entirely clear. Many in afghanistan believe chaos will fill the void left by the departure of us and allied forces and for christians and other religious minorities the gathering storm clouds appear particularly dark world. senior editor. mindy bells has written on the topic and joins us now to talk about what the true pull out means for the people of afghanistan. Mindy good morning. good morning mary. Well first of all what's happening right now. The us troop pull-out is already well underway right. That's correct. We have a report this week from the us central command which interesting i says that they are fifty percent through the entire process. That means they have turned six basis over to the Afghan ministry of defense. They have carried six hundred and eleven loads of c. seventeen out of afghanistan with material and troops on board. And that's halfway through. If you remember. President biden said that we might be done with this by july four and clearly. That's not going to happen. But i think that the withdrawal is on track for the september eleventh deadline that he sat when he came into office. Have we seen any early clues that might give us a sense of how this will unfold as the last of the us and allied troops depart. We'll sadly we have even before the departures were underway. The taliban began offensive and interestingly enough. Because i think the us media most of us have been focused on the cities and they're really three main cities in afghanistan. The taliban smarter than us and understands a territory better and they immediately went into rural areas. And and really. It's striking in just the last six weeks since may one. They have gained control thirty districts across afghanistan that means half of the country's thirty four provinces have taliban strongholds in them and so clearly. The taliban aims to get control. What we have to understand about afghanistan is that gaining control of these rural areas of the village is essentially how you control. The city's the cities are made up of people who once lived in the villages and and the society is still very clearly geared that way and so the taliban is going about this in a really smart way and it looks like for right now. They are largely unimpeded. There have been firefights. There have been areas where the afghan national army has beat them back and continue to hold territory but the taliban is clearly gaining ground. What about ngos are non-governmental organizations and aid groups planning to stay put after the troops leave or many of them deeming it just too dangerous without that. Us presence and one that. I spoke to in preparing the story. Remarkably want to stay put. Even some of the larger groups like doctors without borders are hoping to continue to work as they have. Many of these groups are the ones that have been there even before the war began in two thousand one and i do highlight the work of two christian or christian based organizations. That are there too. And they've been there a long time and they they don't plan to leave just because you troops are leaving but they recognize they also. They're meeting they're talking security. They recognize that without Keep in mind is not just only troops on the ground that the americans were providing but it is air-cover air defenses and also a hefty diplomatic presence and intelligence. You know so that we actually knew what was going on in all of these thirty four provinces and now. We're not sure that we do. And so that is going to call into question the security of us based aid groups. Let's talk about the church. You wrote that. The christian church has grown in afghanistan over the past two decades but largely. That's been underground that's correct. People who work with the church in afghanistan say that there are basically three types of afghan believers those who've been forced to leave those who survived by exercising their faith underground and those who are dead and it is entirely underground church but but it is a church. That is highly active. that is being disabled. I talked to a number of afghans both inside the country and outside the country who participate actively and disciple new believers and that is entirely made up of muslim converts on the one hand. It's always been an exciting church to follow but also a very precarious and fragile church. Afghanistan has a constitution and it ostensibly allows freedom of religion in the country. So have christians been able to gather publicly at least in afghan government. Strongholds cannot i mean we've seen international fellowships in kabul the capital of there's one legal church building and it is catholic church on the grounds of the italian embassy in kabul. And that's pretty much it. And i think as what what's happened as we've moved toward this withdrawal even when the trump administration began negotiations with the taliban and those were negotiations that the afghan government was not allowed to be part of and that was a significant rob in it. It became clear that the taliban was going to have a large role in what came after. Us presence as that became gradually clear to afghans they have all had to react and sort of move into survivor mode and so they're very reluctant to talk. They're very reluctant to do anything. That will sort of stir the waters until they see which way things are going to go. And that is you know. Even though they have constitutional protections people are just very afraid of what comes next midday. What is life. Like for christians and afghanistan. How were they meeting together. How are they worshiping. Despite all of these challenges you mentioned yeah and we haven't even talked covid nineteen which is just another layer as it has been everywhere. We see conflict situations. But they're very creative. I would say and they do. A lot of their fellowships take place in homes in private residences in office buildings. I actually in a decade ago. When i was traveling to afghanistan i would attend meetings and show up at an office and It would turn out to be a small fellowship meeting for believers very careful. They're very careful in terms of disabling new believers but is i think a picture of the power of the gospel that it has not been hindered in one sense despite i think some of the greatest princes in the world and so it's a church that is vibrant and yet also very much under threat at this time. It's a precarious time as they faced. Perhaps to stabilising situation and the exit of american forces world senior editor minnie bell's. I'm placing a link to a really in depth feature. She wrote for world magazine. You can find it in today's program. Transcript mindy thanks so much for having me marry. Additional support comes from the weekly podcast mission focused men for christ with its june fatherhood series titled lord. Make me a great dad. That's mission focused men for christ on your podcast app from peacemaker ministries equipping and assisting christians to respond to conflict biblically peacemaker ministries dot org and from pensacola christian college empowering christian leaders to influence the world more at go dot. Pcci dot edu slash world. Coming up next on the world and everything in it world tour with our report in africa onis ao. He kerry we start today here in africa. Tens of thousands of malnourished children are at risk of dying in ethiopia is to gray region. That's according to the united nations and humanitarian groups. Working in the area. Tommy thompson is emergency coordinator for the world food program. This is a crisis of certainly food security. But it's really a crisis of access protection issues preventing us from doing work it's rewire it's an incredibly dangerous environment for. I'll be working out. There have been mind. Humanitarian have been killed thus far on every day. We have our chain senses. The ngos partners everybody who's trying to operate north find themselves challenged checkpoints. They're increasingly hostile on in some of these checkpoints. We have our beneficiaries having the things that are given luton for men if opium prime minister abby amid sent government forces into tegray in november to disarm leaders of the tegray people's liberation front. He blamed the group for attacks on army camps but international watchdog groups accused government forces of widespread atrocities against civilians and now humanitarian agencies say ethiopian forces and troops from neighbouring area. Tra are keeping relief shipments out of the region the un estimates more than a quarter million people into gray now face famine conditions. Next we go to southeast asia protesters in myanmar marched briefly. Indian gone monday to mark the start of former president on to cheese corruption. Trial the military leaders who removed her from office. In february accused a democratically elected leader of a wide range of offenses. They include violate in pandemic restrictions with a political rally and importing allegedly illegal walkie talkies suci supporters. Say they are trumped up. Crimes used to justify the military coup congresswoman mia nato or not allowed in the them for the trial bought succi lawyers said. She appeared to be in good health. Despite daily protest the military junta shows no signs of stepping aside more than eight hundred fifty civilians have died in the brutal crackdown on dissent next to central america nicaraguan police have arrested six opposition politicians in a bid to silence. Anyone who might challenge president. Daniel ortega's rule several of them released defiant video messages before their arrest casa a halfway. The retail d. hill is a member of the unanimous opposition. Party she vowed or tag his opponents would eventually force him. Out of office are tag. I came to pie in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine and lead the country for eleven years. He returned to the presidency in two thousand seven and has sidestepped term limits. Ever since his sundanese party now controls the courts and legislature under a law passed in december. Ortega's government has the pod to declare citizens terrorists or a classify them as traitors to the homeland. Anyone branded with that lee. Bill cannot participate in this year's presidential elections and finally we end today in europe. A french composer has created a plane partner. Who doesn't really exist using artificial intelligence and a player piano alexandra's marquee is developed a unique musical experience. The digital musician doesn't just play. Its own it responds to the notes marquee is plays. The composer says he enjoys creating music. That's a surprise something he didn't expect. That's this week's world tour reporting for world. I'm on ezio. He carey in future nigeria. Who a small town in. Florida recently lost something valuable. Okay not exactly lost as it turns out the town accidentally sold something valuable. And what's more the buyer. While that was an accident. Two businessmen bobby read thought he was buying small municipal building with the goal of time into jim. What he had no idea he was buying was. The town's water supply the building. He purchased sits at the foot of the water tower for the town of brooksville and he told television station w. f. la shocked at what the town's property appraiser told him. We split the lock. Because you own the whole thing on the whole thing. That's great so as the new landlord read was more than happy to gift. The water tower back to his town. The city manager for his part said that the person whose job it is to write legal descriptions of city properties. Let's just say he didn't do a very good job. It's the world and everything. Today is wednesday june sixteenth. Thank you for turning to world radio to help start your day. Good morning. i'm nick and mary record coming next on the world and everything in it the first and a summer series that we're calling the nation's today story from orange city iowa every may the city hosts a festival. The flour is the main attraction. but there's also means dancing in the streets and everywhere. You look traditional dutch costumes. Yes it's become a staple of world journalism institute. So been there done that. And the best part have to say is probably the puffer. Just have you ever had a puffer. Gis have not a wonderful little dutch treat. It's like a like a little fluffy pancake with sugar on another low calorie features. Yes so recent. World journalism institute graduate. Rachel mclamb rock attended the festival along with twenty five other. Wj i students so she brought her audio recorder along a great idea so she could come back with this story about the parade and two local women who keep the town awash in dutch fashion. High school band marches and bright red uniforms across crossman carves vendor sells through awful and dutch style. Sausages and tulips are everywhere all carefully planted to bloom at the same time in neon shades of yellow orange red purple for the festival. The city crowns a tulip queen and her court to represent the town every year. They are dressed in the traditional costume of a different town or region in the netherlands. But it's not just the queen and her court if you look around. The sidewalks tents parade floats. Many of the festival goers are wearing historical dutch costumes behind all those full skirts. Embroidery scarves shoulder pads wooden clogs and a dizzying variety of hats. Thera- people like marlins hop these are kind of little hooks to hangar personal hop isn't always city native so the festival has always been a part of her life. Grew up with it. And i was on the court but my costume wasn't very pretty but i didn't know that the time when she was a wife and mother in the sixties in a friend next door decided to change that by making historically accurate costumes for the festival. Well it isn't dutch. It is not banik. This was the age long before the internet. So hoppner friend wrote a museum in the netherlands. Asking for patterns photos and samples sent a lot of israel nation. They also collected books on dutch clothing somewhere in english but many others were in dutch and had to be translated. Accuracy was especially difficult because each town or region had its own traditional dress south holland. And then there's the zealand area. That's all islands north bravo. That's where my dad was you. Track gelderland aycell. Grant groningen friesland and each one of these dress differently hop in some other seamstresses eventually formed a committee dedicated to making authentic dutch costing her. I'd have to blow. That up is the scale was one point. Four and half to blow that up on a law and then grog since the nineteen seventies. They've been making outfits for the tulip queen teaching craft to following generations. I have a love of art textiles. And anything that i can create with my hands i pray olsen and her niece run a business renting out dutch costumes for the to look festival. Look and and if you could maybe appreciate the work. The us the patterns that hop and the debt costing committee put together the fact that these calls trace cut and provided all the intricate details so to me that it's daunting and a labor of love with every sich connecting the past and the present. What it really means is a true love for where we've come from. What path was carved those pioneers doug dirt dug ground here Late homestead planted and made this their home and people do tend to stay for generations. It's just fun working together and you get to meet a lot of people in this. That's worth it is reporting for world. I'm rachel mccoy. Mock orange city iowa. Today is wednesday june sixteenth. Good morning this is the world and everything in it from listener supported world radio. I'm mary record. And i'm nick. Eicher world commentator cheney cheney now on religion in the classroom but not the kind you might think the california board of education recently approved the ethnic studies model curriculum for public high schools. It argues that students of all backgrounds need to find solidarity with their cultural heritage but cultural heritage doesn't mean traditions and folklore nor does it mean developing appreciation for other cultures. The curriculum document available on the california website is clear about that quote by asking students to examine and reflect on the history struggles and contributions of diverse groups within the context of racism and bigotry. Ethnic studies can foster the importance of equality and justice. It's also supposed to quote bring students and communities together. It does that by dividing them up into groups and focusing on oppression by another group that has no ethnic status white is not a color or culture but a malevolent power. Students who have supposedly been force fed anglo european concepts like rule of law. Parliamentary government and individualism will now be free to learn how their own cultures were quashed by the same critical thinking about european. Oppression has been the cutting edge of educational policy since the nineteen seventies california's ethnic studies proposal. Just code extends to public schools. What began in the university system. Sixty years ago a bizarre quasi religious fervor pervades the document. The goal is not good citizens but soldiers for social change lesson. Plans include class. Chance aimed at nothing less than spiritual solidarity the in. Loch eck affirmation is based on ancient aztec cosmology updated as four movements of reflection action reconciliation and transformation the chant calls on aztec deities to quote. Allow us to become more realized human beings in search of healing epistemologies. And making things happen too unwell clears. It just sounds silly. Opponents point out that the gods of the ancient aztecs and the bloody rights associated with them or not models of liberation also that dragging pagan religion into the classroom might violate the disestablishment clause of the first amendment. Not that anyone actually imagines the aztec gods are listening or do they are totake aquatic. A los angeles teacher has argued that white. Americans were guilty of thea side by replacing indigenous religions with christianity. His book rethinking. Ethnic studies proposes a quote regeneration of indigenous epidemic and cultural futurity in other words western culture and the christian faith that built it got to go to be replaced by the indigenous episode of sun worship and human sacrifice. Just kidding of course but not by much given the spiritual fervor of abortion. Zealots radical environmentalists more traditional. Educators are concerned about a proposal that pits groups against each other. Substituting leftist ideology for balanced. History has already created hostility intention. The model curriculum almost literally deifies social change and invites the wrath of the gods. I'm janey be cheney. May i hang onto your attention for just another minute. No doubt you've heard about world's june giving dr an. I'll add an amen to my colleagues over the past several days as they encouraged you to support ups. If you've done that already thank you so much for your continued generosity and vision for the important world but i'll add something else. I have the benefit of years personal history here as a magazine columnist and as a commentator on the world and everything in it and i'm grateful to have been able to see the way god has sustained world through the gifts of his people. The other benefit of years is being able to see how strategic world has proved to be as our culture continues. its long slide. I'm grateful for world's voice of truth. I'm reminded of the great conservative thinker william f. buckley junior who famously said that the job of a conservative is to stand thwart history yelling stop and no doubt we need to stop but we also need voices like worlds to stand toward history pointing to the sovereign christ who governs history. If you agree with that would you support. World's june giving drive today. Please visit w. g. dot org slash donate and help strengthen the future of world again w. n. g. dot org slash donate and thanks tomorrow. Presidential summit will take you to geneva. Ian correspondent jenny. Schmidt is on hand for the meeting between president joe biden and russia's vladimir putin also the us postal service is in deep financial. Trouble in congress. Is mulling a bailout. That and more tomorrow. I'm nick eicher and mary record the world and everything in it comes to you from world. Radio world's mission is biblically objective. Journalism that informs educates and inspires for the moment. 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