19 Episode results for "Wilbur Ross"
The Information's 411 Trump's Secret Trade Crackdown
"Happy Friday everybody it's the information's four one one look from the reporting team in the information at the stories we've written the story behind the story and just other items in the news that we find interesting my name is Tom Dotan work here at the information had a definition of all this stuff that's in this story which is a lot is called dual use technology meaning there's a possible military application and days we are fresh off our annual subscriber summit that I've been plugging frequently during the podcast that happened yesterday on Thursday and the next of the amount of US exports of sensitive technology has declined and that's part of a larger effort by the trump administration to keep a earth range very interesting importance and distribution of what you described as sensitive US technology and you know the kind of regulation and oversight the US government has on where around the world us sensitive technology is going and you know some of these stories can occasionally get lost in the weeds of numbers but having a handy study story collection of data that you put together that looked at sensitive use technology and its export and this is something that I had not thought at all about just the Uh of course does and he looked at basically pulled a bunch of government data foyer a bunch of government data and was able to see that under the trump administration the number I'm talking to Matt Drainage who wrote an excellent piece looking at the trends in exporting sensitive US technology this is not a subject that I knew much about at all but so keep a lookout for that but for now my conversation with Matt Drain and his look into sensitive US technology there you should check out the actual story because it has an excellent chart that was put together by Matt and our Graphics New York Mike Sullivan that really drills down national security risks yeah other examples could be certain types of drones others things would be things like night vision in one so examples could be certain types of advanced semiconductors say to be used in a ID badge for the Pentagon or in some sort of fighter so that we are going to be sending out I say as a bonus episode is going to be Jessica Lessons Interview with Fiji Cmo but we've got a bunch of other ones coming to including interviews with Max in and check out the story so I mentioned to you that this is a special episode beyond just being a little bit short we've also got a couple of bonus episodes coming your way in the next couple Oh to the part of the tech industry that we write about but unquestionably interesting and important and in addition to our conversation I also WanNa Plug that for those of you that are subscribers get where you wouldn't want you'd want to have the supply chain be completely us-based and have zero for Chinese right for risk of some sort of tampering we're close eye on where exactly some of the US's most sensitive technology is going but that also affects the cubbies that creates the stuff it's a very different world chart that really clearly lays it all out really kind of brings it to focus so definitely should a after listening to this interview hop on over to your Internet machine and overweight gets to go why don't you just explain what you mean by sensitive US technology like what qualifies in the data that you were looking at yeah sure so the William of license applications these companies have to apply for which is what the data show and also those that are approved so that's one number two what we saw is a pretty clear advanced encryption software things where you could see a foreign government taking interest in as we are in many cases the leading developers of that technology and so the US government just want Break when the trump administration came in you can see a couple of different ways that they have had an impact on this so the first one is the last two years Syria Iran North Korea cetera interesting so this is technology that the US is selling to other countries it's going to the Middle East it's going to South America wherever that's not the companies that are based here right in Silicon Valley are have a market all over the world and so we're seeing a huge uptick so every year pretty steady uptake in the overall for overseas this a bureau of Industry and security is tiny vision of the Commerce Department they sanctioned and find that company blue coat for essentially letting that technology chin the CEO of Insta- carport Meta and plenty of other things I've mentioned on the show so those are going to come at you fast and furious in the next few days we've seen a large increase in the value of these applications that were denied so when a company submit something to say okay here's the type of technologies generally what it is the other thing I I should add is that the attorneys there's a whole bunch of attorneys that all these tech companies rely on to advise them on this and they tell me I've talked to keep tabs on where is this going and who is the end user and the whole idea with this is that we're going to regulate all the export of of this huge group of technologies which is growing and we into the hands of what we would consider the bad guy right many so what did you find when you analyze this data here I mean what did what what is the trend not released that so I can't tell you the data don't show the names of the companies however the attorneys that they rely on for advice and consulting with this right and the key question is who is that end user so one example that people might be familiar with a company called blue coat they made it advance spyware and in twenty twelve or twenty thirteen it ended up in the hands of the Syrian government which used it spire their own citizens when that became publicly known the US government and the agency that do you see this trend connecting to what are they what does the larger goal they're trying to achieve so I think one good example that Kinda shows that is certain types of semiconductors about two years now that the Commerce Department is overseeing and it's called th-the basically what they're doing is they're redefining quote unquote critical emerging technologies so in terms of how much this technology getting exported so there are a couple number one we've seen a steady increase the last decade so the data goes back to two thousand ten a steady increase in the overall volume of exports. So you know is good business right well it's a good business and just you know generally global economy is becoming more spread out right and managed to change this as a backroom deal kind of thing do you have to find a sensitive or receptive member in I don't know under Mick Mulvaney or someone like that WHO's willing to company here justifying getting those experts approved and you did even just two three years ago right and business wise they're seeing bottomline impact I mean this is absolutely affecting all sorts of stuff that touches a whole bunch of companies so when they introduced this plan back in two thousand seventeen they gave companies a large window to weigh in administration cast when he came into office very broad net over what that looks like includes things that we care about here such as driverless vehicles quantum computing have said that of course you know by and large is not certainly hasn't helped them right right and so going forward what can these companies do is there talk about that too they're going to add to it soon the trump administration is but the whole idea is to let's monitor this stuff and make sure that it doesn't end up in the hands of a foreign government that we don't see eye to eye with champion this cause and reverse the trend or it's just hoped that a new administration comes into view that differently so it's actually a pretty transparent process it's been playing out for of an obscure field within the tech world so it's hard for me to think there's a huge lobbying arm these companies can rely on to ease some of these restrictions I mean how do you how do you you know all the stuff that he's tweeting having a very real on the ground impact that some of these attorneys have described to me as a chilling effect in Silicon Valley where you're having a tougher time if you're out there who enjoyed hearing about about story it's even more fascinating if you can kind of check out the way that the data was graft and visually interpreted on the site it's an we're seeing those either denied or delayed from US companies now another example is companies a lot of smaller companies are mid sized companies that did business with that are part of China's made in two thousand twenty five plan which we've talked about on previous episodes where the Chinese government wants to have a lot of this advanced tech made at home waivers e. t. e. r. now having to apply for these licences my didn't have to before and we're seeing those take a lot of time and get a lot of scrutiny of course because those companies is this is the end user in this country and this is roughly how much it's worth so what we've seen the last couple of years as the trump administration has really tried to clamp down and on the export of technology particularly China rate as we've often heard about what we're seeing is an increase in the number of applications that are getting denied and these companies businesses in a in a negative way yes but there's a carrier there which is which companies are applying for these licenses the government. Clearly this is Wilbur Ross fits the Commerce Department so so listen up Wilbur you got a bunch of applications headed your way all right excellent job as always and I want to make a plug to those listening I plan to release now they have this feedback released their new definitions of what what all critical emerging tech is by
AP One Minute Headlines Jan 24 2019 13:00 (EST)
"Getting ready to vote I'm Ed Donahue with AP news minute. The Senate will be an order Senate is expected to vote on two bills today that could end a partial government shutdown. They are not expected to pass. This majority leader Mitch McConnell Evers convo to reopen the entire government with a compromise package that the president will actually Sean or they can hold out for the democratic leaders dead and proposal that stands no chance of arming the president's signature that Bill funds the government through early next month with border security negotiations. Continuing commerce secretary Wilbur Ross is wondering why furloughed workers are going to food banks instead of taking out loans. The people might have to pay a little bit of interest. But the idea that is paycheck or zero is not a really valid idea. Ross was on CNBC Democrats say the president and his team or out of touch about the impact on American workers of the shutdown. I may Donahue.
Heads in the Sand
"Common sense commentary on politics, culture and current events. If it's on your mind, it's in the news. And now in the news with your host, Mike Dakkak. Spoke to you a couple of weeks ago about all of the money that was leaving Russia through that mirror trading scheme. And how was being done with the help of one of the world's largest banks Germany's Deutsche Bank? One of the very first things that intrigued me about the story when I first read about it was what Russia was doing with all that money wants it left. Why were they letting all that money? Leave russia. Vladimir Putin doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would let something like that. Go unchecked. And so the fact that it was left, unchecked lead, you to believe that it was being done with the approval of the highest levels of the Russian government. The second thing that intrigued me the most though, is, why don't you Bank one, along with it? Don't you Bank is not some fly by night corporation? It's the seventeenth largest Bank in the world. Seventeen billion dollars in assets. I mean, real people work their professionals armies of lawyers armies of compliance managers. Didn't anyone catch stuff like this when it happened, didn't they feel they had a responsibility to report activity like this when they found it. Well, the answer those questions is both. Yes and no. There are people who catch the stuff. Unfortunately, what happens after these things are caught is another story. There's a unit at Deutsche Bank that is made up of thousands of employees who job, it is to scan financial transactions conducted by the Bank for signs of suspicious activity things like sanctions violations, or money laundering. A former employees said that in the years after the merge trading scandal broke at Deutsche Bank. They raised concerns with supervisors about yet more transactions involving companies owned or operated by wealthy Russian individuals. They felt were suspicious. I usually went transactions like that are flagged there initially flagged by automated programs by software there, then reviewed by senior employees, who decide whether to file, what are known as suspicious activity reports those reports go on to more senior employees still who decide ultimately whether to submit those reports to law enforcement officials like the US treasury department, for example, for possible criminal investigation, and that didn't happen in these cases, instead employees were told that they had bad attitudes for flagging these transactions, and they were told not to file those suspicious activity reports employees, felt, they say that the Bank, did not wanna bother important clients. But the decision didn't make much sense to employee's because Deutsche Bank was already in trouble for the mirror trading scheme involving billions of dollars leaving Russian. It had been ordered to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in fines and actually was operating still is operating under an order from the US Federal Reserve that requires it to do more to stop activity. They deemed to be suspicious. And yet here it was again, seemingly looking the other way on actively they deemed to be suspicious. What raised eyebrows, even further was who some of these suspicious activities seem to involve, and that was Donald Trump as well as members of his family. Starting in the summer of twenty sixteen. So this is at the height of the presidential election Deutsche Bank employees, flagged, a number of transactions involving the real estate companies of Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, a longtime anti money laundering specialists at the Bank stationed in the anti money laundering unit and stateside here in Jacksonville, Florida investigated the matter and found that money moved from companies owned by Kushner's family to Russian individuals are precisely because of the bank's history with Russian individuals. And because of that order to tighten its security potential illegal transactions that employees concluded that the transactions needed to be reported to the US government. And so she drafted a suspicious activity report gathered up additional evidence documents that would support her decision and presented them to superior officers that people who ultimately would have to decide. I'd whether to report it to the federal government. Now, it's basically that report would have been reviewed by a team of anti money, laundering experts, not run of the mill Bank officers and certainly not Bank officers from the same unit the transactions originated from and this case, that was the private banking division, that's done to make sure that these supervisors who review the findings can remain objective, and have no conflicts of interest. If the Bank officers revealed the findings are the same officers who authorized the transactions in the first place, and are the same officers who are responsible for maintaining a positive relationship with those clients and Mike, cloud their judgment, and yet, that's exactly what happened here. The report went directly to the private banking division, manages their perhaps unsurprisingly belt the reports findings were overblown. They decided not to submit it to the government. Don't you banks private banking division caters to not just the wealthy, but the ultra wealthy and so Deutsche Bank employees believe the report was killed because of the banks strong relationship with Kushner and his companies. In two thousand seventeen this is after Donald Trump becomes president transactions involving him and several of his companies. Get reviewed by the special investigations unit at Deutsche Bank and that unit is tasked with flagging and investigating financial crime at the Bank there. The financial crime team at the Bank. That seemed produces multiple suspicious activity reports involving different companies that Trump either owns or controls now don't you Bank, ultimately decided not to file those suspicious activity reports with the US treasury department either. I'm please found that unusual because they said it was rare for the Bank to not disclose. Multiple reports involving the same high profile client. One of the employees woman by the name of Tammy McFadden was ultimately fired for voicing concerns. She complained to superiors about how the Bank was investigating accounts of high profile individuals, especially those that held public office, because such individuals are, especially susceptible to extortion, or blackmail, or just corruption more broadly, their accounts are subject to extra vetting. Mcfadden's hold her superiors that such individuals. They're known internally as politically exposed clients were not receiving that extra vetting. And there were dozens of them she said, not just Trump. Superiors at Deutsche Bank told her to stop asking questions. Mcfadden Sukkur complaints to human resources after doing that. She was transferred to another division. She was fired subsequently. The Bank told her that she was not productive enough. She wasn't processing enough transactions, but she disputes that she says the number of transactions assigned to her were reduced dramatically after she kept raising her concerns. She said she was fired as an act of retaliation that Deutsche Bank was trying to silence. Her though, each Bank, denies LaSalle Gatien's. But McFadden says this is business as usual at Deutsche Bank, you present them with everything and you give them a recommendation and nothing happens. It's the db way she says they are prone to discounting everything. But even if they're prone to discounting, everything the fines, and the potential legal. Trouble would automatically make them wanna stop being prone to discounting, everything, wouldn't they? I mean, the US Justice department fine deutchebanks six hundred thirty million dollars for their role in the Russian mirror trading scandal. Now even have six hundred and thirty million dollars is not enough to put a real dent in the coffers of a seventeen billion dollar company. It should be enough to make it so that they don't wanna make a habit out of it. And yet they keep repeating the same behavior. They continue to look the other way on these things. Now that tells you that a calculation is being made here, they figured that it would be more damaging to their business to crack down on this behavior, and eliminate it than it is to ignore it and deal with the average. Fine. Whatever it may be you. Whenever it comes down, which by the way is an all that often. Right. What maybe once every eight or nine years, every ten years if that clearly, they've regarded any fines that come down as a cost of doing business to business expense like regulatory fees, or rent for office space. Maybe they've even factored some of the costs in sue the commissions or fees. They charge some of these accounts who knows. On Trump specifically, though, Deutsche Bank kinda has a long history of peculiar behavior in two thousand and three Bank helped Donald Trump's casino company sell hundreds of millions of dollars in bonds that company defaulted in two thousand and four deutchebanks clients suffered deep losses, the banks investment division vowed never to do business with Trump again the following year. Trump approached another part of the same division and asked for six hundred million dollars to build a tower in Chicago. And he got that loan in two thousand and eight Trump defaulted on that one and not only did he default on the loan, but he actually sued Deutsche Bank for trying to recover the money. This time the whole investment division out to cut him off three years after that in two thousand and eleven Deutsche Bank began lending to him again this time through another division, the aforementioned private banking division, the one of the loans. He takes out there, forty eight million dollar loan. He uses to pay back the money, he still owed deutchebanks investment division from the. Tower in Chicago, that he defaulted on a few years earlier. So he's barring money from Deutsche Bank to pay back money from doing. I mean it's just bizarre behavior, and yet they keep lending to them over the years. It's estimated Deutsche Bank has lent Trump and his companies about two billion dollars. And it's rather open question, how sound of a business decision? That was what they have to show for it in terms of profit. They do though, have losses and a lot of headaches to show for it. And Joseph Ackermann deutchebanks CEO at the time was kept apprised of the situation and was asked on at least one occasion, whether the Bank should keep lending to Trump. He reportedly gave us thumbs up. He says now he doesn't recall ever being involved in that decision. So why do they keep repeating this peculiar behavior? One Deutsche Bank was trying to break into the crowded world of investment, banking on Wall Street in the US. This was back in the late nineties. They felt the best way to do it or one of the best ways was too long to clients deemed risky by other banks. Deutsche bank. Remember is a German Bank based in Germany. Donald Trump was considered an untouchable by Wall Street in the late nineteen eighty s and early nineteen nineties all of this casinos just about in Atlantic City, New jersey went bankrupt banks that loan him the money to build and finance those casinos lost hundreds of millions of dollars. But every long he wanted from Deutsche Bank sailed through the Bank was desperate to win business from big name clients, and Donald Trump has many false notwithstanding is nothing if not a big name. But even banks who are desperate to muscle into crowded marketplaces? Don't make a habit out of losing money. So maybe they consider Trump a loss leader. Maybe they figured just about everything Trump does make splashy headlines and doing business with him. Even if it cost them some money every now and then may lead to other more profitable business from other individuals or other sources later on perhaps, but even that strategy doesn't explain looking the other way on Russian money laundering or some of the CEOs curious relationships with others and Trump circle or Vladimir Putin circles for that matter. Cyprus, for example, is a beautiful island nation in the eastern Mediterranean Sea. It's got lots of beautiful miles of shoreline loads of great beaches. It's very well known for its beaches. It's got tons of famous archaeological sites ruins of palaces and soums. There's actually quite a lot to like about the country. But there's one thing that Cyprus has known for that isn't quite so positive. It's known to be a hub for money laundering out of Russia. It's known to be the place. Where if you're a very wealthy Russian, and you've got all of this money and you have an exactly gotten all that money through the most legitimate of means Cyprus is known to be a place where you take that money and deposited in banks there and some banks, there will make it look like all that money you've gotten is actually quite legitimate. If you're a very wealthy Russian, who has a lot of money and you want to get it out of Russia. You take the Cyprus that's just what you do. And in Cyprus they make it look like. Well, you know there's totally nothing wrong with the hub. Hundreds of millions of dollars. You've just deposited. They're out of the clear. Blue sky, you'll also be able to do with it. Whatever you, please from that point on like ticket to wherever, it's alternate destination may be. Once Cipriani Bank, that's been at the center of several money laundering scandals in the past is the Bank of Cyprus, two of the three biggest investors in the Bank of Cyprus, our wealth of scratched that extremely wealthy Russians. And they're both close personal associates of Latimer Boone's, but one of them a fellow by the name of ladder, mirrow straw, kofsky, was not just a close associate of Putin's. He actually used to work with Putin in the Leningrad KGB now, that by itself is interesting enough where it gets super interesting, though. And I've mentioned this on shows past is who the third largest shareholder is. And that's Wilbur Ross Wilbur Ross is a billionaire American businessman. He's a close personal friend of Donald Trump. And, oh, by the way, he just so happens to be our current secretary of commerce. Ross was put in charge of a US Russia investment fund in the nineteen ninety s after these Soviet Union had. Collapsed at the time President Clinton appointed him to help push the newly formed Russian country toward a free market economy, when Europe's debt crisis spread in two thousand and twelve in two thousand and thirteen affected Cyprus significantly the nation's second, biggest Bank, a Bank by the name of, like Bank closed the government imposed losses on uninsured deposits. Many of those belonged to wealthy Russians. The Bank of Cyprus was hit by the crisis as well. The government in Cyprus wanted to find a solution to keep that institution solvent and open the Cypriot government in consultation with Russian President Vladimir Putin property institution, up. It consortium led by Wilbur Ross took a majority stake of eighteen percent in the Bank in September two thousand fourteen Ross was brought in as one of two vice chairman of that Bank. The other vice-chairman will straw. Husky the KGB guy when Wilbur Ross took over the Bank of Cyprus in two thousand fourteen he brought in to be chairman of the Bank, Josef Ackermann, the formerly of Deutsche Bank, which made to make your e choice to head a Bank that was on the verge of collapse. Or did it all of these dots just kind of they're all floating out there in space? They could be coincidences, but they certainly beg some questions. Don't they the thing is when you come to ask those additional questions, you get stonewalled, you get accused of conducting a witch hunt during Wilbur Ross's confirmation hearings in February two thousand sixteen to be commerce secretary. He was asked a series of rain questions by democratic senators about his time at the Bank of Cyprus and all of these connections between the Bank. It's officers Deutsche Bank and Donald Trump questions like, who asked you to take a leadership position with the Bank of Cyprus and did anyone from Russia or with ties to Russia. Ask you to take a leader. Position with the Bank, are you aware of any Russian investors in the Bank of Cyprus having contacts with the Trump presidential campaign, Trump organization or the Trump administration? When did you first learn of ladder, MIR straw, kofsky involvement with the KGB? For some reason, still unclear the White House told Ross not to submit answers to those questions. And he never did he was confirmed to be commerce secretary despite objections from democratic senators about those questions. Now present day house committees still smarting over the mullahs report. And the fact that it found. No, collusion are still investigating Trump and in an effort to get to the heart of some of these matters issued subpoenas to a number of financial firms in order to get some financial documents about Donald Trump. One of those institutions was Deutsche Bank, a federal judge ruled this week that both Deutsche Bank as well as Capital, One have to comply with congressional subpoenas and turn over years of financial records, relating to the president. President Trump as well as several members of his family had sued Deutsche and Capital, One to block those subpoenas. The only reason for the subpoenas. They argued was to harass the president. A federal judge in New York disagreed. He said, well, it's, it's congress and they have that subpoena power so they can pretty much do whatever they please. The Trump's have appealed that decision and that decis. Came just days after another federal judge this in Washington DC ruled that President Trump's accounting firm, a company called May's ours. Must also comply with congressional subpoenas, and hand over financial records of Donald Trump both personal and some related to various businesses dating back to two thousand eleven Trump world is also appealing that ruling. But don't you Bank has a long history of helping Russian money? Leave Russia and a lot of that money has found its way to Donald Trump's coffers. There's an unusual number of real estate transactions that involved on Trump properties homes apartments in his buildings at cetera and money coming from Russia, but Trump properties are not the only destinations Russian money, also has a way of finding its way to the coffers of Europe. And another very interesting development is that it's found its way to European political parties. We've seen a rise in the last several years of far right populist political parties in Europe. They started out as fringe movements, but they got organized. They got political and are now vying for control of seats in the parliaments of many European nations Europe, just actually had several days of huge elections. Some four hundred million people across twenty eight nations. In Europe, voted they were voting for representatives in the euro. Qian parliament, which is the lawmaking arm of the European Union. It's got seven hundred fifty one members and voters vote on them every five years. The last set of elections were in two thousand fourteen. This year's elections were of keen interest because of the recent rise in Europe's far, right? Parties, and these parties are run on platforms of strong, nationalism, anti immigration anti-globalism. They promote things like populism some of that sentiment even is on and indeed. Some of it has even crossed the border into outright, neo-nazism. But the broader sentiment is largely seen as what has fueled the vote by England. For example, to leave the European Union in two thousand sixteen known as Brexit, the vote that just place over this past weekend was spread out over four days. And as I say, people in twenty eight different countries voted the far-right parties performance wasn't as strong as was predicted it was basically more or less, where it was in two thousand fourteen but even that level is pretty high. What is rather? Worrisome, though is the fact that centrist parties didn't fare, very well at all the far right? Didn't do as well as hoped. But that's not because moderates one. Rather, it's because extreme or shall we say partisan parties on the other end of the spectrum one heavily liberal parties like the green party. They run on platforms that include environmental responsibility, diversity inclusion quality non-violence that kind of thing they also saw a surge in seats in the parliament. But what's even more interesting is the increase, you see and partnerships between far-right European parties and bladder. Putin's political party in Russia, many of Europe's far right parties have signed cooperation deals with Putin's political party in recent years, the league in Italy, which actually did quite well in this week's elections, the F B O and Austria, marine Le Pen, the famous French populace took a nine million-euro loan from a Russian Bank in two thousand fourteen as about twelve million dollars at least was at the time. On paper, what these parties say they do in these cooperation agreements is promote peace between their nations and Europe. More broadly and Russia. For example, the agreement signed with the Austrian F, B O party includes agreements to hold joint policy. Consultations exchange of experience of legislative work work towards development of economic ties and party building. They agreed to hold joint conferences seminars roundtables that kind of thing, what many believe they're really getting out of the agreements, though is cooperation and information sharing political cover some in the form of propaganda. And of course, money loans. A lot of people forget this. But remember, the, the access Hollywood tape, that was released in October two thousand and sixteen in which Donald Trump could be heard making those comments on what say describing criminal acts against women that was released on a Friday in October twenty sixteen less than an hour later, WikiLeaks began publishing the first bunch of John Podesta's emails, that's the kind of political cover that could be extended by Russian active measures with some of these far. Right. Groups are looking to strengthen the national identities of their countries. Do they really think Russia and Putin are looking for the scene? And by the way, it's it's happened here with with help and also with contributions. I mean you see it with Russian activity with the NRA. I mean, does anyone really believe that Russia has some deep philosophical connection with the notion of giving the citizenry in the world, the right to bear arms, and be independent against their governments? It's not philisophical. It's political. They use right wing. Right of center organizations to infiltrate political parties, and hopefully, compromise the people within them. Phoolan looks to weaken by strengthening his endgame is not the same as ours and people in these parties. And in these movements better, make sure that when Russia's interests eventually come into conflict with theirs, and ours, because they eventually will that will be able to handle it because by then Putin's long arm may have stretched far enough into our political process through influence infiltration and funding that they may have a harder time dealing with him than they originally believed. Well, that's chauffeur today hope you enjoyed Gavin comments on any of the issues we touched on today. Drop me a line, you can reach me comments at ITN show dot com. That's comments at ITN show dot com and remember to keep up with in the news on Twitter, and on Facebook at IT ancho, that's show. One word, thanks for listening, everyone until next time take care. If it's on your mind, it's in the news, subscribe to end the news on both. I tunes and on Stitcher radio. This has been in the news.
3-8-19 What's News
"It's time for new coal Sandler's. What's news from the coal, Sandler dot com and the progressive voices network. Donald Trump's former campaign chair Paul Manafort with sentenced to less than four years in prison by a federal judge on tax and Bank fraud charges. Brought by special counsel, Robert Muller, A forty-seven month sentence in this case where Muller's prosecutors had asked for nineteen to twenty four years. Federal judge Ellis spoke before sentencing he talked about that recommended prison term guideline quote. These guidelines are quite high. I think the sentencing range as excessive Manafort has been a good friend to others, a generous person he has lived on otherwise blameless life. Manafort, also had a chance to speak saying, quote, the last two years have been the most difficult years for my family, and I to say that I feel humiliated and ashamed would be a gross understatement. I. Ask for your compassion. I know it is my conduct that has brought me here. And that was as close as Manafort got to an apology, then came the surprising, forty seven months sentence after the sentence with announced manafort's attorney made a brief statement afford finally got to speak for himself. He made clear accepts responsibility for his conduct. And I think most importantly what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one. There is absolutely no evidence to Paul Manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from Russia. No collusion theory Asli by vote of four seven to twenty three the house on Thursday passed a resolution condemning anti-semitism and other forms of hatred. This following days of debate over comments by Representative Ilan, Omar that some lawmakers said were antisemitic amid a sharp split among Democrats and initial plan for resolution that focused on anti-semitism was broadened. To include language against Islamaphobia and hatred of many minority groups the Twenty-three who voted no are all no surprise Republicans. The list of bigots includes Louie Gohmert, Paul gosar, Peter King and the number three in Republican House leadership. Liz Cheney noted racist and white supremacist. Congressman Steve king of Iowa voted present the house on Friday will vote on HR one the Democrats for the people act that would enact wide ranging ethics reform expand voting rights and mandate the disclosure of presidential tax returns, as you'd expect the Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell has said he won't bring it up for a vote. The White House also issued a veto threat on the measure, congress is investigating a report that says the United States government created secret database of activists, journalists and social media influencers tied to the migrant caravan, and in some cases place. To learn on their passports, the department of homeland security in the house homeland security committee disclosed the probe following a report that CB p officials in San Diego made a list of fifty nine reporters, lawyers and activists who were to be targeted for questioning when crossing the US Mexico border. The committee has demanded a copy of the list as well as any dossiers on the individuals and an explanation of why each person was included on the list. Remember that citizenship question. The Trump administration wants to put on the twenty twenty senses. A second judge has now ruled against it and raise red flags about the secretary of commerce Wilbur Ross MSNBC's Chris Hayes, explain for the second time this year. A federal judge has taken the extraordinary step in rolling the commerce secretary Wilbur Ross active in bad, faith, and broke several laws when he asked us citizenship question to the twenty twenty senses last year raw said that there was no evidence that the response rate would drop once this isn't ship question was added don't congress. Was the Justice department that quote initiated the request which would lead to doing a better job of enforcing the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five because we know how obsessed the sessions DOJ was with that. Will it turns out? None of that was really true court documents revealed that Ross actually came up with this as ship question after Steve Bannon asked Ross if you'd be willing to speak with Kansas secretary state, Chris co Bach about a possible citizenship question the lies that Ross's told her so agreed just that last month when a federal judge ruled against the decision to add that question twenty twenty senses. He wrote the Ross's explanations for decision were unsupported by or even counter to the evidence before the agency and that it was not in accordance with law. Then yesterday, a second federal court found commerce secretary Wilbur Ross acted in bad faith, broke several laws and violated the constitutional underpinning of Representative democracy, according to the judge in short the inclusion of the citizenship question of twenty twenty. Census threatens the very foundation of democratic system. And does so based on the self defeating rationale and finally Friday is International Women's Day March is women's history month it figures that the Trump administration marks the occasion by recinding, the international women of courage award. It had offered to finish investigative journalist. Jessica arrow after reportedly unearthing some old anti-trump tweets foreign policy reported Thursday that arrow was originally chosen for the reward because of her investigative work, exposing Russian troll factories and had regularly tweeted criticism about Trump's sharp political rhetoric and attacks on the press. And that's a bit of what's news for now. I'm Nicole Sandler. If you appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported and I can't do it without your help. Find out more at Nicole, Sandler dot com slash donate.
AP One Minute Headlines Jan 24 2019 14:00 (EST)
"Shutdown bills. I may Donahue with an AP news minute. There are two bills up for votes today in the Senate that could end the partial government shutdown, but it's highly unlikely Texas Republican Ted Cruz has Democrats are playing politics holding paychecks for furloughed federal workers, Sarah objective. Here is head of the president back down and have not a single mile. A border wall built Colorado. Democrat Michael Bennet says this is not all about border security shouldn't shut the government down as it has been in this case. For an campaign promise, the president. I'm sure knew you could never keep commerce secretary Wilbur Ross one of the richest members of the Trump cabinet was told some furloughed workers are going to food banks are an adult really quite understand. Why Rothschild CNBC's not sure why these workers can't just get alone to make ends meet. I'm Ed Donahue.
Midday News Brief for Thursday, July 11th
"Here the extraordinary secrets of how to thrive in a disrupted world the old rules of management and already correct anymore so what works making was heavy to the future will I am and Omar abashed subscribe. Wherever you get your podcasts I'm J._R.? whalen and the newsroom at the Wall Street Journal in New York President Trump is expected to sign an executive action today in an attempt to add a citizenship question to the twenty twenty U._S. census. The action is likely to trigger challenges in in court last month. The Supreme Court ruled five to four against the citizenship question on procedural grounds chief justice. John Roberts said Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross who made that decision to add a citizenship question hadn't clearly explained his reasons for doing so a rally in healthcare stocks helped push the Dow Jones industrials over the twenty seven thousand mark in early trading Thursday. The rally was sparked by the trump administration's decision to cancel a plan that would have cut billions of dollars in annual rebates.
'Not In Compliance': Wilbur Ross, The Trump Official Who Keeps Watchdogs Up At Night
"Support for NPR and the following message come from Amazon prime video with Llerena the new docu series that shares Lorena Bobbitt side of the story and investigates the headlines and press coverage twenty five years later lorraina now streaming on Amazon prime video two years ago today, President Trump's friend Wilbur Ross was sworn in as secretary of commerce. He's a skilled and wealthy investor. But at the Commerce Department, he has pushed the limits of federal ethics laws. NPR's Peter Overby and carry Levin of the center for public integrity examined his conflicts with ethics officials and Peter has their story in January twenty seventeen Wilbur Ross sat facing the Senate Commerce Committee, the senators had to decide if he was qualified to become secretary of commerce. If confirmed is to Ross would bring decades of business, entrepreneurial and civic experience to this important position. Chairman John thune a Republican opened the hearing Mr Ross is perhaps best known for his expertise and revitalizing distress business. Such as those in the United States steel industry Wilbur Ross and Donald Trump became friends in the ninety s Rossett engineer to break for Trump who is in distress over a casino, bankruptcy. The committee members had questions of all of the billions of dollars in holdings that you own now you have divest it more than ninety percent. You have resigned from fifty positions Senator Richard Blumenthal. A democrat was referring to the agreement. Ross had signed with the office of government ethics Rosh promise to sell or resign from scores of entities. Most within three or six months. The process has been enormously complex and challenging and costly to you personally. Correct though, sir. Ross vowed to recuse himself from any remaining conflicts intend to be quite scrupulous about recusals any topic with the slightest sin Tila of down, but Ross portfolios like nesting dolls companies. Within companies within companies as for that signed ethics agreement Ross has failed to divest assets. When he said, he would despite telling ethics officials he had done so two years after the hearing here's Blumenthal take on I feel that essentially he misled the committee and Senator Ron Wyden went further. He's the top democrat on the finance committee the breadth and the brazen of his ethical lapses are just staggering foon Blumenthal and widen have each asked for investigations of Russia's compliance with the ethics laws. Other Trump appointees have had flashier ethics problems using a helicopter to go horseback riding or seeking a chick fillet franchise for spouse. But it's Ross who keeps ethics watchdogs up at night Delaney Moscow's ethics council at the campaign legal center, which filed a complaint against Ross last summer. He has escaped sort of the more popular scrutiny. Because there's kind of sophisticated violations, and they're a little bit wonky in terms of what actual issue is earlier this month, the government's chief ethics officer did something. So rare observers couldn't recall the last time it happened Emory round director of the office of government ethics refuse to certify Ross's annual financial disclosure. He said it wasn't accurate round acted seven months after his predecessor at the agency publicly criticized Ross for failing to abide by his signed ethics agreement. He said Ross was risking potential criminal violations. Ross blamed an inadvertent error, he noted the asset cited by rounds who's worth only thirty seven hundred dollars, but the dollar amount isn't the problem. Don, FOX is a former general counsel and acting director at the ethics agency. First of all, it says that neither secretary Ross nor the White House take ethics in government. Seriously. It's best window-dress. For them Ross's ethics situation echoes Trump's own. They both have complex opaque financial assets impossible to understand based on what's publicly known both have come under attack for failing to divest and both have been accused of acting in their own interest instead of the public's there have been rumors that Trump might replace Ross. But when we asked the White House if there were any ethical concerns their response lauded, his work advocating for the president's agenda. No mention of ethics Ross's problems started soon after he arrived at commerce. He says he started finding assets that should have been divested. He defended himself on CNBC, everything that's been done has been done in compliance with the office of government affects. So these are people second guessing, the president put Ross in charge of an investigation of steel imports over at I have been working on this a long time, but Ross was slow and selling his stake in an investment firm called Invesco in Invesco was. Getting into the Chinese steel industry to Commerce Department later said there were no conflicts of interest, but Ross's remaining Invesco steak went up in value by at least a million dollars before he sold it and other issues emerged a family trust about which little has been disclosed accompany Ross intended to keep called diamond s shipping democratic Senator Maria Cantwell. Challenged him on it at the confirmation hearing is that correct? You're not devestating from them. The correct the research we've done suggests that there has never been a shipping case come before the department of comers. The Commerce Department does oversea trade and tariffs which directly affect how shipping firms make their money. Can't well and five other senators have asked the Commerce Department's inspector general to investigate Ross Ross told NPR and the center for public integrity that he rectified errors. Once he discovered them. He said he remained committed to the American people and would continue to seek the guide. Of ethics officials, professor. Kathleen Clark specializes in government ethics law at Washington University in St Louis this record by Ross and by others of multiple misstatements on ethics forms. I think demonstrates what kind of commitment. Ethics. This administration has which is essentially contempt. Virginia candor is a former ethics official known ethics council for the non-profit citizens for responsibility and ethics in Washington. She said that when congress wrote the ethics in government law twenty five years ago, they didn't envision a Wilbur Ross or his types of assets or his types of conflicts of interests or his disclosure, deficiencies, Kanter and other ethics experts. Say changes are needed especially more transparency and stronger enforcement strong enough to bring high net worth appointees like Wilbur Ross into compliance with the ethics laws. Peter Overby NPR news, Washington. And that story was reported with the center for public integrity support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Comcast business having the nation's largest gig speed network was just the start. Now, they're providing gig fueled apps and solutions that exceed expectations and help businesses perform Comcast business beyond fast.
Soccer's Edward Snowden
"I. Axes pro rata where we just ten minutes to get you smarter on the collision of tech business and politics sponsored by six Broadway. I'm Dan for MAC today show, why BuzzFeed just took the buzzsaw to its payroll and the latest in government shutdown stupidity, but first suckers Edward Snowden last week eight thirty year old man named Louis Pinto was arrested in Hungary where he faces extradition to his native Portugal on charges of extortion and violations of secrecy. Basically Pinto is the man behind a website called football leaks. Which were he in American would probably have been called soccer leaks in its four years of existence. Football leagues has produced. A treasure trove of damning information against top world soccer officials and some of its biggest stars. And that's included having an impact in global courtrooms including this past Tuesday. When Portugal's Cristiano Renaldo was fined over twenty million dollars after pleading guilty to tax fraud and Spain, plus there's a sexual assault case against Rinaldo, which has been reopened again for which football leagues deserves credit now Pinto. Of course is not supposed to have the information. He has he's a soccer fan, not a soccer official or team employees. So that's a big distinction between him and Edward Snowden. But the basic question remains the same. When should a hacker be called a whistle blower and given the protections that come along with that classification? It's something a judge in Hungary will soon have to decide about Pinto, and that ruling matters a lot because other potential Pinto's potential Snowden 's will be watching closely and using judge's decision to determine their own future actions in twenty seconds. We'll go deeper with KENDALL Baker editor of axios sports. But I this capable of serving fifteen million visitors a year in the heart of time square Tia sex Broadway is the ideal platform for the world's most ambitious brands with integrated retail, entertainment and hospitality as well. As time squares only, permanent outdoor stage and real time. Digital customer engagement TSA. Broadway allows her every kind of branded experience in the world's most visible location. Learn more at TSN, Broadway dot com. We're joined now by KENDALL Baker editor axios sports, so KENDALL. Let's actually start with Cristiano Renaldo for a quick second. Here not football leaks. Can you give me a sense for folks in the US who aren't necessarily soccer global football fans? How big is he in terms of popularity compared to a LeBron or Brady the Braun is a very good imperative just LeBron and basketball more. So than football. Fortunately, for Tom is more of a global sport. And so on a global level is right up there with abroad whenever they released those top athletes in terms of social media presence. He's always on top of that list or number two. He's huge huge globally and spent a lot of his career in Spain is now in Italy. So that's, you know, only expanding footprint. This has been a lot of stuff that football leagues. The website has uncovered and released over the last four years talking a little bit about what's been uncovered. When it comes to kind of top officials and top authorities in what they have done that. They weren't supposed to do. Theory of leaked or of our life for years in this kind of Panama papers esque independent journalists kind of coming together on a collaborative effort and coming away with these stories for years and one of the biggest ones involve actually, the current president of FIBA who was previously the general secretary of UEFA or union of European football situations, what they found was UEFA ahead instituted this standard financial fair play which basically was instituted to make sure that soccer clubs in Europe were spending similar amounts of money. And so essentially a clubs outgoing Pat to match their incomings as a pretty simple standard. And basically what they found was that UFO was allowing some of their more popular clubs like Manchester City, like Paris Giron to essentially inflate, the value of their sponsorship deals to get more money to spend on players. It was them working with the top clubs to allow them to essentially play by a different set of rules and everybody else. So the guy who's behind this this guy ROY Pinto gets arrested last week. Do we know yet or have any idea how he's gotten all this? Information. We don't yet at least to my knowledge that could be coming out this week. Now that is becoming more of a national story that he is actually been arrested. But basically what we know about him now that he's a huge soccer fan. Who was according to his lawyer as very upset with the game the corruption going on to expose this. And he's a believe in their words, computer geeks. So right now the narrative that he's, you know, a hacker type who came across this information, not exactly sure how he's not being charged or at least Portugal wants them extradited from Hungary. And they don't want him extradite based on stuff about Rinaldo or the stuff. You were talking about UEFA. They want him specifically he had information on a big investment fund that invested soccer in Europe. Correct. ES what they have him on or they're trying to target it with is essentially blackmailing a agency doing sports the big soccer agency in Europe. If blackmailing them saying, hey, we have these confidential documents, which I think included transfer fees and secret payments, they made and I'm gonna release these unless you pay me. And according to Laura like that did happen. He did attempt to make contact. But. It doesn't sound like anything actually came for wishing there. And so they're trying to point out that that might be invalid. So it's weird. Right. Because it seems that the lawyers that are basically saying actually correct me if I'm wrong this he asked for money, but they didn't pay it. And thus the extortions not valid anymore. That's kind of like Saint, well, I went to the Bank with the gun, but they didn't give me any money. So I didn't really try to rob the Bank. Exactly. Yeah. I agree with the lawyers are really just trying to hit home defect that there might be one instance, where their client engaged in something potentially criminal on a more macro level their argument that the result of these leaks with positive for the game of soccer, and that that outweighs whatever potential gray era e might have wandered in overall. Which is where the Snowden comparison comes in right, which I mean, again, it's not perfectly apples down as we said. There's some distinctions here in terms of employees versus fan cetera. But same idea, right? If the information is good enough, then there's a public interest a big enough public intercession outweigh hungry though. Right has a particular whistle blower law. Correct. Like one that's different than the US. I've done some research on this actually this morning. There wasn't a lot of formation out there about it. But according to what I found basically hungry has been for actually a while. Now, kind of you'd as a very friendly to whistleblowers, and they actually have specific laws that other countries don't surrounding whistleblowers the law that's been place in twenty fourteen twenty dollars. It's just a very friendly law to blowers in comparison to other countries, including this one, including the US does going to do this doing Budapest is better than doing it in New York, right? The fact that he's in hungry appears to be a good thing for him. I would assume with a case of this magnitude that you know, that the world probably watching with this law having only been in places twenty fourteen this is like a monumental ruling four Hungary on the world stage right now, it also seemed to be rightly if he's let off the hungry. Judge has no you're whistle blower. You're not a hacker your hacker. But you're also whistle blower. So it's okay. Does that mean he'd get to keep running the site? That's a good question from what I've heard eat kind of done his thing. Retired at thirty like a soccer player. Exactly. I think a lot of his work. For say has been done he handed over. I think everything he's actually already cooperating what some other governments being Disley Germany. He's done his part, and he's now cooperating, and that's also what his learned or giving. Hey, look, we're cooperating with other governments here. Why are we being extradited back to Portugal and Baker editor of the outstanding sports daily newsletter, which you can get it? Sign up axios dot com. Thanks for joining us by final two right after this time, squares newest spectacle, Forty-six stories of maximalist retail called TSE X Broadway. TSS Broadway will be the only building in Times Square to offer permanent outdoor performance venue. Overlooking. The iconic tickets red steps it'll also feature seventy five thousand square feet of flexible retail space. Visit USX Broadway dot com for an inside look at the future of retail. Now, it's for my final two. And I up his news that media website BuzzFeed is laying off around fifteen percent of its staff or proximity two hundred fifty employees now BuzzFeed is said to actually be profitable. Unlike lots of other media upstarts, but his struggled to meet growth expectations and now basically wants to solidify its foundation. So it never again needs to raise private capital now expect some crowing from some maga- folks, particularly given buzzfeed's recent controversy involving story published saying President, Trump instructed Michael Cohen to light of congress, but within media land, the story will really be this continuing narrative of a conflict between journalism and venture capital. And if the two can really coexist finally the government shutdown is now on day thirty four which means that furloughed federal workers are about to miss their second straight pay period. Not surprisingly, many of these folks are now looking for systens, which US commerce secretary Wilbur Ross was asked about this morning on CNBC by Andrew Ross Sorkin their reports that there are some federal workers who are going to homeless shelters. To get food. Well, nobody are an don't really quite understand why because the obligations that they would undertake Sayeh borrowing from the Bank or credit union are in effect. Federally guaranteed, really Wilbur. You don't understand why I guess so much for that Harvard Business School training? How about this people need food to live, but food costs money and money comes from employers, if the employer no longer pays the money. People can't afford to buy the food. Yeah. Sure. Some people can get loans from credit unions and things like that. And they may be for paying other necessities like rent and heat. But that only goes so far, and unlike what you said Wilbur, not everyone furlough does have federally guaranteed backpay coming such as the tens of thousands of federal contractors bottom line here. Putting an oblivious billionaire on TV might not be the White House's smartest PR strategy. And we're done big. Thanks for listening and to my producers, Adam Grassi and Tim show. Vers have a great national beer can appreciation day, and we'll be back tomorrow. With another pro rata podcast.
September 18, 2020
"From the sea. So series it cyber-security headlines. It's Friday September eighteen twenty twenty. Oracle's bid calls for access to TIKTOK source code. The news comes to sources speaking to Bloomberg and would see oracle getting access to any updates to the source code as part of being named Tik Tok trusted technology partner in the US. This is meant to ensure there are no back doors that would allow bite dance to gather data on users in the US since this would not involve a transfer of anybody dance algorithms to Oracle. It would seemingly not run afoul of recently updated Chinese technology export restrictions. A patient dies in the wake of ransomware attack. The attack impacted Duesseldorf University Hospital in Germany on September tenth resulting in planned in outpatient treatments as well as emergency care not being possible at the facility a patient with a life threatening condition was redirected to another hospital receiving care in our later. But ultimately, passing away the ransomware note on the hospital servers indicated the attack was actually meant for Heinrich University after police contacted the threat actors to advise that a hospital was impacted the provided the decryption key German prosecutors are investigating this attack as a negligent manslaughter. Back doors and bugs discovered in high silicones video encoders the back doors were discovered by sales for security engineer, Alexi coercion of impacting the software running on a lennox stack provided by high silicon for its IPTV HD two, six, four, h dot two, six, five video encoders powered by the high thirty five twenty chipset flaws found could all be exploited over a network including an administrative interface with backdoor password root access via? telnet and on authenticated file uploads in a statement high silicon corporate parent Weiwei so that the vulnerabilities are in the application layer provided by equipment vendors not introduced by the chips or High Silicon T. K. Koji tested encoders by you Ray Tek J. Tech digital video instruments, and found them all to be vulnerable to some or all of the exploits and suspects that other products based on the chips that are as well. Dunkin donuts reaches a settlement over failure to disclose data breaches. These bridges date back as far as two thousand fifteen when over nineteen thousand customer accounts were compromised in a credential stuffing attack. This provided the attackers with access to user names, emails, account passwords, pins, and account balances with information eventually sold the third parties. Dunkin didn't disclose the bridge until two thousand eighteen and failed to reset passwords have impacted users. Freeze funds and its loyalty program or put in place any security changes to prevent another attack a similar credentials stuffing attack hit Dunkin and twenty nineteen spring a lawsuit from the state of New York in the settlement Dunkin agreed to pay six hundred, fifty, thousand dollars in damages, and in here disclosure and security policies ducking claims that prior to the settlement, it had already made such changes to it security policies. And now a word from our sponsor detect systems forget projects, get answers, start preventing insider threats, stopping data loss, and monitoring remote employees in minutes days. And do it all without invading your privacy. Detect systems helps enterprise wants safer and smarter with the first of its kind human centric approach to enterprise operational intelligence learn more start a free thirty day trial at detect systems, dot com. That's. E X SYSTEMS DOT COM. Mozilla shutting down Firefox send and Fire Fox notes Firefox. Send popular. Free File. Sharing Service was already taken off line after Zd net reported it was being used by malware groups. At the time the move is said to be temporary move to permanently shutter send appears to be related to recent layoffs at Mozilla with the team tasked with reengineering the service. No longer with the company notes away to sink encrypted notes across browsers will be shut down in October with its support supporting also part of the layoffs. Two Iranian nationals indicted for hacking into American networks, federal prosecutors have accused two men from Hamadan. Of the attacks which seemed to be motivated by both financial gain, and at the request of the Iranian government, the Justice Department claims information stolen in the attacks relates to national security, nuclear information, personal financial information, and intellectual property. Tax Day far as two thousand, thirteen impacting higher education, human rights, activists, telecommunication businesses, and defense contractors. Wilbur Ross provides details about the forthcoming. We chat ban an executive order prohibiting transactions with we chat in the US is set to go into effect on Sunday Secretary of Commerce Wilbur. Ross was given until Sunday to determine how transactions are actually defined in a court filing secretary Ross that the US does not intend to take actions that target persons or groups whose only connection with we chat is there use or downloading of the APP to convey personal or business information between users or otherwise defined the relevant transactions in such a way that would impose criminal or civil liability on such users. However, users may find that the APP is directly or indirectly impaired because of other actions. Google band stock aware APPs in the play store the benefits any APPS designed to track device that can be installed and run without a user's knowledge while Google has removed soccer br APPs went pointed out by security researchers an update to its developer program policy states that track users and send their data to another device must include an adequate notice or consent Ancho a persistent notification of the tracking the new rules go into effect October I. If you're listening to this podcast early enough, there may still be time to join us for our lives see. So series video chat. This week's discussion is hacking biometrics and our of critical thinking about using ourselves as a means to enhance the identity journey into security posture it all starts at ten. Am Pacific One PM Eastern to register just head on over to see. So series dot com and click the register for video chats button I'm rich draw Felino reporting for the series. cybersecurity headlines are available every weekday head to see. So series dot com for the full stories behind the headlines.
Morning Brief for Thursday, June 13th
"Here. The extraordinary secrets of how to thrive disrupted world, the old rules of management are not ready, correct anymore. So what works making a wise, pivot, pivot to the future, with will I am and Omar Abba, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Anne Marie for totally for the Wall Street Journal. A house committee has voted to hold attorney general William bar, and commerce secretary Wilbur Ross in contempt of congress for failing to turn over documents related to the Trump administration's plan to add a citizenship question to the twenty twenty census earlier on Wednesday. President Trump exerted executive privilege over the requested documents the battle over the citizenship question has ended up in the US supreme court, which is expected to rule soon. Former White House communications director hope Hicks has agreed to testify before a house panel and a closed-door meeting next Wednesday. The House Judiciary committee says a transcript of her testimony will be released publicly. She was subpoenaed, by the. Panel last month for documents and testimony worries over declining demand for oil continued this week with prices falling sharply on Wednesday Brent crude the global benchmark hit a nineteen week, low falling three point seven percent. West Texas intermediate futures fell four percent on the New York Mercantile Exchange. For more details head to wsJcom or the WSJ app.
2014 - Trump to Cave on Shut Down? & Roger Stone Indicted w/ Emma Videland & Larry Murphy
"Dhamma jar any rumour? Where every day Friday. That means Monday is casual Monday, Tuesday, casual Tuesday, Wednesday casual hump day. Thursday, casual Thurs. That's what we call. It Friday casual. Charney with Sam Sita? Yeah. January twenty fifth two thousand eight nineteen. My name is Sam cedar the five time award winning majority report, we are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravage Ghana's canal in the heartland of America. Downtown Brooklyn USA. Schedule Friday, folks. Of course, it's never casual. The Trump years, or it's always casual all depends on your perspective. Joining us today in studio. TY T correspondent Emma Viglen joins us. She's here in studio. Also on the program today. Larry Murphy will jump out of my texts and into and Marie reality. Yes. For my dreams onto the program. Larry Murphy known as just about almost every character. Bob's burgers. We'll be here will not here. Also on the program today. Major airports on the east coast halt air traffic over lack of air traffic controllers. And Roger stone has tumbled into the barrel has ball men or Ford shuffles into court to find out if he's going to go to prison for a long time. While Democrats draw Republican support, but the shutdown bills in the Senate fail. White House now drafting a national emergency order to pretend to build the wall. U N to meet in a special session tomorrow about Venezuela. And apparently White House overruled security professionals in giving Jared Kushner top security clearance. Oklahoma Republicans want to strip teachers of their certification if they engage in any future labor action as Denver teachers prepare to go on strike. And remember how a governor Disentis from Florida surrounded himself with racists. Well, yeah. Also on the program today. Heart warming story of an Indiana school principal who got arrested for helping a kid get medical care. All this and more on today's majority report. I think it's the first day in about two weeks where someone has not jumped into the democratic primary if I'm not mistaken, it's pretty close. How many official contenders? Do we have now in the race doesn't six shower at six right? Got harris. Warren Jetta was the first one actually though, you know, he's his really great shot. He doesn't have a huge shot us officially the race tell C Gabar that's four. And however, we should guy later guy moody Gog. Yeah. And so that's five. There was oh there is a six that that weirdo from Maryland, congressman guy. No, no, Delaney, Delaney, Delaney. Right. I wasn't aware. Do we say Chelsea Gabbard? Yeah. All right. That's that's. Quite a bit considering we're not even out of Jan January Zillah breath. So. But so there it is is we don't have anybody new to report today, but we will talk a little bit about this week. Obviously. We turn a fascinating juxtaposition between Warren and the way that Warren is running for president right now. 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Save on quality professional therapy by going to better help dot com slash majority. All right. Let's jump right into this. We have some let's first. We're talking about the shutdown yesterday. We had two bills in the Senate that. We're basically test votes. Right. They were they were ways. I think for both parties to sort of say this. Let's get a clear sense of where this is trending. It's trending against the president. And. The real question is how much are Republican senators gonna feel like they're getting chewed up by this. And if you look at the list of people who voted well, if if it was a test vote Joe mansion failed that test, right? So he was the one democrat that sided with the Republican. Oh, did he side with Republicans yet? I didn't know that. Now did he vote? He voted. Yes. On both bills. Yes. Okay. So he didn't vote against the democratic Bill. And I think the Republicans who jumped did the same thing they had the opportunity to vote for both. And local theater. I mean, that's what's frustrating about all of it was that what you were saying it's a test vote. But it's it's what mansions doing is just kind of signaling to his home state with these his entire career, which is I will be a Republican. But just be a little bit nicer about it. Yeah. He's he's covering his his his arse as it were. He drinks. On jake. I forget that. He call them jank's all the time. It was awesome. He made me like Joe Manchin, all sink to I'll tell you what sink communist, I don't know about killing innocent civilians babies, but we gotta come together. It's interesting when you look at all six Republicans who voted right? It's a Susan Collins. No surprise Lamar Alexander. Also, no surprise. But you get a sense of like Johnny Isaac since he's up for re election in Georgia. Stacey Abrams we that's exactly right. And we had mentioned Johnny ISAACs like weeks ago because if you look at what's going on in Georgia. It is trending blue. And so they're nervous. And in those instances, they vote for both the plant so they can turn around and say, I want the government functioning. But this clip with Michael Bennett who I don't know in Ben it's been in the Senate for how many years now. Least while close to. I don't know when he got elected but four four years. I don't know his entirety in the Senate. I don't know that I've ever said his name more than three times the show. Oh nine. So he's been in there for. So he's been in near the entirety of this show. And I have never ever had an instance to quote him or to play a clip of him. He's even managed to avoid like being castigated it he he's never come up. I think maybe we've mentioned him in the course of probably. The year that he ran which was probably I think tw- twelve or something. I'm not sure. But here he is apparently. And this is a two for for him because he gets to speak against a shutdown and he also gets to crap on. Speak at all and crap on Ted Cruz. And apparently everybody hates Ted Cruz. Only thing that is necessary to pass a clean Bill paying the salaries of every man and woman in the coast guard is for the democratic senators to withdraw their objection. Is that correct? That's correct. Thank you. President from Colorado sold them, as you know, rise on this four to contradict somebody on the other side work, very hard over the years to work in a bipartisan way with the presiding officer with my Republican colleagues, but. These crocodile tears sitter from Texas. Crying for first responders are too hard for me to take their too hard for me to take. Because when you when the Senator from Texas shut this government down in twenty thirteen. My state was plotted. It was under water. People were killed people's houses were destroyed. Theirs. Businesses were ruined forever. And because of the Senator from Texas. This government was shut down for politics. Did he start to second place finish in the Iowa caucuses? We're of no help. The first responders to teachers to the students at schools were closed. With federal government shutdown because of the junior Senator from Texas. Pretty powerful stuff. Now. That was great. I mean, he's going to probably announce in a week. Right. Exactly. I I think like, you know, the it is it's the first time in a long time. It feels like where you have these protracted battles where the Democrats. Not only appear to be winning but appear to be confident about their dens. Yes, they're politically emboldened for the first time in ten years eight years, and that's what's exciting about it. I think that they're poll watching which they never do on policy. But when it comes to write it takes now two-thirds of America wants marijuana legalization. And you still have democratic Senator saying it's in the sky. But when it comes to President Trump, they're holding their ground, and they're watching and it's successful his numbers dropping, and it allows someone like a no name guy like Bennett to take to the Senate floor and go all in it sort of feels like there must be some polling in Colorado that is not necessarily public because Corey Gardner. It was one of the first Republicans to defect right? And it a big up at and Denver post about how it's the right thing to do to reopen the government. Yeah. I mean, it's it's interesting, and it, it's helpful. Insofar as I feel like, you know, the you want other. On some level. There's you want other lessons to come from these get into the bloodstream of the net. The narrative that like government workers are not these sort of faceless. Bureaucrats who are you know? Living the life that their average Americans who are trying to make ends meet and can't survive without a provides central services. Exactly. The whole context relies on if he wants to keep speaking like that he's going to need to figure out what to do this hands though. Who's that Bennett this going on? I don't think he I mean, he seemed no look annually that you like to know he was genuine. You're so mad. You don't care you uncomfortable. Right. Right. Well, yeah, he's probably uncomfortable expressing that level of rage. If you. Ted Cruz, though is that's amazing. She's amazing. Just even just that that distinct personality and physical profile got elected to the Senate, even with his politics. He's he's popular with the Republican base. Yeah. He he came in second as was pointed out by Bennett twice in instances. I mean, he has a real finger on the pulse of a certain brand of Republican. I think it's a dying brand of Republican. I think it's the same. There's a weird crossover with Trump, even though he's a complete Philander and vulgar person. But there's an evangelical base that doesn't move that will always support complete freak show like Ted Cruz. Do you? Remember, the bikers got his face and Indiana, the bikers who supported Trump that was my favorite most cognitively dissonant clip of the whole two thousand sixteen primary and they're like in his face with leather jackets and like lying, Ted, lying, Ted. And he's like, well, actually, all right? And then you know, he's trying to debate them and all this nonsense, and there's this bullying them and then out of nowhere. They're like. Yeah. You know, what else you promised to like light up the sand of Syria. That's going to kill a lot. Innocent people. He just was there. Like, we said. Let me great. For the New York count reported the whole thing public. That's totally. Let me is. You are the problem. Robert kitchen. You are the probably something. All the candidates name one who had a million dollar judgment again for hiring one. Donald Trump young. So you like rich. People powers, your Goldman Sachs jacket that we know your wife works there. Supported by one point three million contract all over the country. Our average contribution sixty immigration. You know, Donald Trump. Head a million dollar judgment against hiring illegal aliens. You know what he's doing right now in Florida? He brings in hundreds of four and were instead of hiring American serve with all respect. Donald Trump is deceiving. He is playing you for a chump prayer fall. Astor? Merck is the main stream media, so Jeff. Trump to be the Republican team every chance why John bainer supports Donald Trump. John bainer. Do you agree with Nancy Pelosi? The thing is everybody. But I'm in Trump. He's the only one that's going to put us where we need to beat second amendment. Okay. Great quality. All right. I have defended second amendment in front of this court of the United States. You know that Donald Trump supported Bill Clinton's national ban on some of the most popular firearms in America. And that is faculty rita's book where he said, I agree with Bill Clinton fact said hey done that's a quote from Donald five twenty years fighting fan the second. And I'll tell you this. If Donald Trump every becomes with. Right. I don't like. Alex galax, but he's gonna put a liberal on the supreme court's gonna take away their second amendment. Right. There is a reason why gun owners of America has endorsed me in this campaign because I've defended the second Mongol while Donald Trump is a New York liberal who will take away your second amendment this mass line to you. And he's taken advantage of you. And I would miss shown you that does the protest. All right. We get it was do get to Syria. The guys you're going to kill a lot of innocent women and children if you do that. And he literally is looking at the guy like what going I went leading up to twenty eighteen to I think eight Trump rallies or something along those lines and spoke to supporters. I was kind of the work that like I got most attention for me last year. And you really there is that populous fervor that guy was more articulate than a lot of the people. I spoke to but there they were focused on campaign donations, and the fact that Trump is a self made businessman that made a lot of supporters show comfortable because. Corruption is a widespread sentiment throughout the country. No matter what kind of person you're talking to. You know, we interviewed someone who had did a history of the concept of mesmerized them in this in the country and the snake oil salesman. And the thing that she said was that Trump was indicative of that tradition. Was that people know the guy is a liar. It they feel that he's on their side and lying on their on their behalf. And that that idea of like that he self funded and is not taking other people's money. Led them to believe that he was in their corner. Which of course, he he wasn't. But and I don't like, and that's not I don't even think they have to get that much more sophisticated beyond that, you know, small campaign donations or just the idea of like, he's rich. He does he's doing us a favor by runs these sugar daddies, Goldman Sachs or cetera. I mean, they that guy hates the financial institutions just as much as progressive, Stu. And so we just have to remember that in our strategy. No doubt. I I I I think that's true. The question is that on the list of things that will motivate that guy to vote absolute how high up is it? Protecting dodd-frank or a twenty-first-century Frank f to Syria. You have really weak position dodd-frank rule. But I I don't doubt. I don't doubt it. But I also my point he's probably does support more rabbit stuff than that. But my point is is that how motivating is that versus protect my guns. How motivating is that anti immigrants or? Yeah. We'll in that's keep country white. And that's the problem. That's also the bigger problem with just anti corruption politics, generally. Right. Because the way it's been deployed whether it's with Trump or Bolsonaro or Mody it fascist win elections using generic anti corruption campaigns. So unless you really specific about what you're actually talking about. It becomes like a stand in for everything has actually been used to de-legitimize some really good leaders. Yeah. I just don't think that it's the primary motivating factor or even the secondary motivating factor or even maybe the tertiary motivating factor for a guy like that. I think that comes in. But let's general f you it's also like, I'm sure they hate Goldman in the same way. He hates immigr-. Like, we said hates everybody else. It's it's a generic stand-in, and unless you get super specific for even going back to the nineties like that's how Bill is going gun to power. They had big wide ranging corruption scandals. He's like, I'm a self made billionaire, and I'll fix it. That's the map that's been followed by all these anti-establishment than anti-corruption. Right. Yes. Italy anti-establishment always victorious whereas anti-corruption, you're right. You know, when you it can be used to deflect and kind of prop up strongman, I think balls neuro. An incredible exam. They're all incredibly corrupt themselves like and then capitalism itself, more broadly. But rut problem with anti-establishment to is just who's defined as the established. Right. I mean, Donald Trump was established exactly. State folks. What is a fascinating moment, which is with with everything that's going on with both the shutdown, and there just seems to be a mega narrative that is that we're we're joying this week essentially here is Wilbur Ross. This is this is one of the most stunning pieces of of now, I've heard some reports that say that Wilbur Ross is just completely out of it that sleep at meetings that he's just completely out of it. But he seems to be not completely out of it here, but just completely out of touch and here he is being interviewed by Andrew Ross Sorkin. So this is really the functional equivalent of like, this is his name. Well, we'll Andrew Ross Sorkin. The home game. Yeah. This is a home. This is like beyond street reporters in the history of life on earth. Right. I mean, I don't wanna say like this would be like my sister, Julie interviewing me, she already more episode. She would be more adversarial. And so here he is on. This is a guy if you'll remember Andrew Ross Sorkin when occupy I started he was the one who who who bragged about fielding calls from financial leaders asking whether they should be afraid of what was going on in Chicago park. And here he is interviewing Wilbur Ross and Wilbur Ross is just like, wait a second. Just you be quiet for second. I'm I'm digging a hole here, and I don't wanna be interrupted mister secretary. I wanted to come back for just a moment to the US government shutdown while here in Davos, I interviewed Alex carp? He's the COO of Pailin tear a major government contractor in the United States working on behalf of the Pentagon and the defense department. He said that the government shutdown. He believed was terribly damaging to the brand of our country. Do you believe for second just contemplate what it takes to ask this question in this manner? The framing is completely from that perspective. Suddenly like, he cares is sociopathic. I've just spoken to a contract to thinks that our brand is being hurt. But we should note Pailin tears, Peter Teal's, right, right? And it's super bad for the brand. Okay. Believed was terribly damaging to the brand of our country. Do you believe that? I think that's a great deal of hyperbole. We've had shutdowns before I'll be for not such a long period is we've been best far. Put it in perspective, you're talking about eight hundred thousand workers in. Well, I feel sorry for the individuals that have hardship cases eight hundred thousand workers if they never got their page, which is not the case, they will eventually get it. But if they never got it talking about a third of a percent on our GDP. So it's not like it's a gigantic number overall mister secretary. But there mister secretary of their reports that there are some federal workers who are going to homeless shelters to get food. Well, no, they are. And I don't really quite understand why because as I mentioned before the obligations that they would undertake say Abbar owing from the Bank or credit union are in effect. Federally guaranteed. So the thirty days of pay that some people will be out. There's no real. Real reason why they shouldn't be able to get a loan against it. And we've seen number of ads. Yeah. You could hear him. He you can hear Rosser go like, okay. Yeah. Let's let's I mean, this is too much of a train wreck. I mean, I'll never be able to have another government official on again. I mean, I the. I don't like this is this is this is this hearkens back to. What's his face from from Vietnam? Well, the guy from Ford MacNamara, right? Like, look, it's just eight hundred thousand people it's a drop in the bucket for some dumb. But if they never got paid what three percent of our GDP. Believable, and he's also sort of implying like the they're they're up to something fishy going to get the free food as responsible and get payday loan. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, it's such it's like this old time view of banking. Right. Feel like it's straight out of it's a wonderful life. Oh, just go down to the local Bank. Take out a fifty dollar loan for my which. Yeah. Your food. Exactly. They are. They're not just the loan faily method for a guy like will barrages you can do that you walk into the Bank. And it's like, oh alot Mr Ross, shall we get you your typical drink. Actually have to go. The Bank of probably goes to him. Yeah. I know I made a joke that he's the kind of guy that thinks Abaga potatoes costs four hundred dollars right because he's just never been to a grocery store. He's like that. What's good or what's her name from arrested development? Lucille Lucille blues. No, no clue and could take out a loan could a bag of potatoes. But the idea of just like, you know, it's a bridge loan, you get a bridge loan, and it's federally backstopped because you know, the federal government's gonna pay off as if like these as if you could walk into a Bank, and there's a loan officer there who's just like has the authority to say, oh, sure, we'll give you a non securitised loan. I was watching through cypress, and there was an INTERPOL red notice for minutes. I needed a bridge. A lot of people could learn from that. It's it's it's stunning. And here is Donald Trump. Not to be outdone by his commerce secretary in terms of complete oblivious nece, he also thinks that banking operates like it did I don't know if it ever operated life is. But as if it's some type of like, you know, small time small town movie, and you just go down to the general store and his delusion. I mean, this is it is amazing. I now, of course, nobody's gonna see this though, this is on FOX. So I imagine this is why he's losing support is that the veneer is really starting to get thin here. Ross said that he didn't understand what pedal workers we help getting food. Can you understand a habit? I haven't heard the statement. But I do understand perhaps you should have said it differently. Local people know who they are where they go for groceries and everything else, and I think what will probably trying to say is that they will work along, I know banks working along. Jeez. The mortgage the folks collecting the interest and all of those things they work along. And that's what happens in dime. Like this. They know the people they've been dealing with them for years, and they work along the grocery store, and I think that's probably what Wilbur Ross met. But I haven't seen a statement now. But he's done a great job. I will tell you that. Yes. Been working long by the all American rejects and that song. No. This guy is completely imagining a world for people that does simply does not exist. You know, I. At a hardware store. Upstate that. I go to quite a bit people have accounts, give me phone number, and they're like Sam and yes in some people they put it on their Bill contractors can go in and they just put it on their Bill. They don't need cash right there. They're just picking up stuff. And at the end of the month. They square up. But the idea that there are supermarkets that function like this anymore like you can go into the local Krogers, and you're going to say to the manager high come in here every week. Okay. Like everybody else here. I have no idea who you are. And yeah, I just put it on my tab. Right. I'll get fired if I do that, sir. Exactly. Just put her on that scene in the sopranos. They go to shake down like the Starbucks place. And they're just shame. So that the windows like, no, you don't get this like every penny in this system is tracked globally like I can't do that for you. And they're just like. It's no small business. The more. So you traveled amongst you know, these folks for an extended period of time something like that seems to me more than anything else is going to start to crack that veneer a little bit. I there's a thirty to thirty five percent. That will never move. Right. I think that's true. Yeah. But I do think my my boss jank has said this before the local mom in Kansas in Indiana. Right. Who sees she voted for him because she socially conservative, whatever the case may be when they see the human costs of decisions like this. That's when that support kind of tries to starts to trickle away. We're seeing this bear out in the poll numbers. How long they stick? Who knows? But I think that it's so obvious who. Is being blamed for the shutdown and the narrative is correct. And it's it's it's fascinating to see it unfold. He's crumbling a little bit. Yeah. I think that's true. And even there's you watched that you track the headlines, the Democrats block the Republican version and then in terms of the democratic version, it's just both bills fell and. Of course, the democratic one got more votes and. I think all of this is just had Donald Trump not said on national TV alone. It I'll own it blame me. I think they would have been very different story. It was actually a very shrewd move five Pelosi and Schumer went which you know in hindsight. I thought they kind of looked a little weak on TV where Schumer's coward over saying we disagree. Right. But they got that sound bite. They got a few. And it's it's worked. It's worth. It's worth a total nebulous is fine. It's still highly problematic that the Democrats need the mainstream press right to to have something that is already pre digested. And if force that, and then still are still the mainstream press will hedge they attempted to do this right for a while takes two to Tango, we see all these beds to that effect. And that the Democrats are still so behold into that is problematic. I understand the dynamic because frankly, like the on the right FOX has a service singular control over these people in a way that TY T or two hours of MSNBC or whatever it is don't, and that's a that's a sort of a systemic problem that I don't know. I don't know how that's how that changes. I think what's really interesting. About the new cycle in the shutdown is that Trump's lies about who's to blame for the shutdown. They keep getting repeated people keep going back to it because the media's hyper focused on the shutdown. So he doesn't get to start a new scandal that distracts people. I mean, this Venezuela thing, obviously is is is breaking some of the shutdown news cycle, but the lie continues to be repeated, and it's pervasive. And so there's not a new scandal or awful tweet that the media is losing their attention to. And this the bright new shiny object. The shutdown is consistently the story and the story gets worse every day and the lie in the sound bite gets more effective everyday. So that's why this is a particularly bad new cycle for the president. And we should say there were reports today of in New York in Florida. So the FAA confirmed that there is a ground. Stop. Pitch at LaGuardia Airport. Flights delayed in New York and Florida airports due to air traffic controller absences, we saw reports of Philadelphia also stoppage is that right Brandon and others just this is just gonna increase. I mean, this is just going to increase in there. And you're gonna get to a situation where you have these. Air traffic controller. I think senior staff is just going to start to like give a vague nod and say, yeah, don't worry. If you if you're sick, stay home. It's going to be one of those deals because they know that they have the ability. It's the TSA and the the the air traffic controllers who really control this. It seems to me in terms of like any type of work stoppage will will will inhibit because you're dealing with centers of the media. You're also dealing with something that impacts people across the country simultaneously, right? Like, you're shutting down. In the world. And there's nothing else that can match that. You just can't have local coverage and national coverage simultaneously for anything else. Other than this type of travel because the stories in local Miami papers, and it's in New York papers, it becomes a national story. Even if you had IRS people who are denying, you know, who are not getting your refund and you're in Florida, and I'm in New York. It's just not present there, another you're getting a robo call from the IRS that you face forfeiture. But then you can't get anybody on the phone well figure it out. But I mean, I just wanna say really quick there was a report in Reuters that just came out that just puts meat on it, right? Like Wilbur Ross's, that's funny in a dark way, and we should play that Simpson's thing. But there have been eighteen percent increase in pond broker chains easy Corp. And I cash there's a huge. Jump and payday loans and like. Earners, really happy. Right. Yeah. Mike problem. I mean. Spell to definitely still do those. Yeah. But it's just you know, it's happening. And obviously those loans are catastrophic for people. That. Well. Well, yeah, we can play that in a minute. But let's play this Kudlow 'cause they're bringing out everybody like, and it's you know. I always get nervous when I watched clip Kudlow now. Hello looks good. It can healthy ageing carrots taking runs. Hi, I'm a little bit concerned. This guy's like he's turning into Rudy Giuliani. His the same sort of pallor Judas brothers. They do don't they go a little more vitality. Though, it looks like he's like he's gonna waste a lot more of our time before he goes here is here is Larry cudlow. He is the top economic advisor to Donald Trump. Guys. Real heart problems. And he. He's trying to make the argument that. Well, he he's trying to say that federal workers are stand stepping up. Now, what he, you know, people sort of catch him on the fact that well, if they don't show up for work, they get fired immediately. And even though they're not getting paid. And that is just beyond the pale to remind him of that. Cave on posit. I should say that like prior to this. He says look you have federal workers or coming in volunteering to work at a time. When there's no pay they really behind the president. That's why they're doing this and doing to him. This guy's taking off his his I think is microphone. Oh, maybe dressing him. Hearing without pay volunteer. The common workers they're showing up. Which? Hey. Who's your font here? That's not what. You know, I'm not even gonna go there saying it's very clear, and you know, what else with respect to people who do have financial hardships of some was asking. They are coming to work and giving them twenty same twenty four seven work. They always did. And I will say to you whatever semantic game. You think you're going to play with me? And I'm usually an easy going guy. Give them credit. Okay. They onerous honors by their service. Don't care whether you're Republican or democrat. Sincerely, honors Democrats have shut government down. Right. It's you know, what I'm saying. And they do it because of their love for the country and the office of the presidency and presumably there allegiance to President Trump. But whatever they're doing it some credit. You know, there's a lot of wonderful people in this country. There are a lot of wonderful people in this country. Specially some of these young I've become a become a great fan of the millennial. Thank you. Somebody getting another drink. Otherwise, I love presumably out of loyalty for the president. Traffic controllers are doing it for love of the country and Trump I have no doubt that there is that people who work for the government have some measure of pride that they're working for the government. But let's not kid ourselves. They want to get paid. And they're coming in because they don't want to get fired all of the millennials now. Talk about that. He I mean, he was getting very getting. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I mean. Yeah. Exactly. He needs more heart medication. I think not more heart medication for breakfast, some some, but they're all on the defensive. They're all on the defensive went full patriot patriot mode. Yes, exactly total last refuge. Situation, and but he still managed to get it in like their praising President Trump by going. I like saying you don't wanna play semantic games when you're trying to call that volunteer. You're playing like the you know what I mean? You know what I mean? Right. You know what? I mean. Everyone knows what I mean. I don't even need to say it. They're getting paid. But sir, they're not getting paid. Don't get don't play semantics with me. Who's the dude we played last week with Libby Watson when I was in the chair of I forget, it was one Trump one of another Trumpy heaven has this vacation getting an early advance on a vacation, right? And they're going to get back. Maybe get paid for. They're actually they're having a great time. I love that. He's a fan of the millennials now. Yes, that's good. He's really impressed stepping guessing statement, how did he get the money? How did he get? He's on twitch. What is the threat? Why did he bring up millennials? I think he was I think he assumes that most of these workers are millennials all TSA guys. They're all millennials. They're Kwan by side. Air traffic control one. I m flattered. Future. Somewhere someone's mocking me. And I'm pretty sure they're millennial. As much as we think that this is hurting the Republicans and Donald Trump, and I think we are days away from this. Basically, you know, like we are. It may take another day or two of. Of of shutdowns of airports to to basically break this damn. But it definitely feels like this is culminating that there are one or two senators were walking down the hall, and and telling Mitch McConnell like you gotta deal with this. This is time. I mean, you already have you got what's his face? Not gosh. I can't even think in Wisconsin. I wanna say norm Coleman, but it's not norm Coleman anymore. Ron johnson. Not you know semi publicly blaming. Mcconnell for this. You know, making sure that it gets out that he is he's gotten mad at him. Which suggests to me that Ron Johnson is rather concerned and worried that that, you know, nine rand trust fund, baby. Literally like, he's a rich kid who read Ayn rand decided he needed to go torture people in the Senate. And he he's feeling real heat because that guy's also dumb. Well, he's not out of their reelection until twenty twenty two. I'm not mistaken. So he's eerie is he he if he's starting to get worried about it. He knows that. It's that it's a problem. And I think we're a couple of days away. However with all that said, Donald Trump seems to have a different perspective on it. The state of the union speech has been cancelled by Nancy Pelosi because she doesn't want to hear the truth. She doesn't want the American public to hear what's going on. She's afraid of the truth, and the super left Democrats, the radical Democrats what's going on in that party is shocking. I know many people that were Democrats this which ING over right now. So I hope they know what they're doing for their party, so far they haven't have you know, I won the Senate meeting. We won the Senate altogether. But. Talk about that talk about the house. I didn't have any chance to other than a couple of people like from Kentucky where I wanted campaign for Andy bar and some others. They ended up winning they're racist. But I couldn't campaign too much too many people. We did a great job with the Senate and people don't wanna talk about it. He's coming back. Trump clues. He's fun apart here. I mean, really honestly like he's falling apart unfloppable. I just think that's his one mode. I mean, he's falling apart a little, but like the run on sentence the consists he's a one walking run on sentence. He really did. He really did catch himself though. He said I won the Senate. I mean, we did we all did. Whatever. Yeah. Me a love lost like she gave ULA. Oh my God. As the best story lie. The past couple of months is hit just like oscillating between I won the Senate, historically, unprecedented. But then I lost the house because of mea love at one point though, it becomes those moments where he's talking about people can go and work with the locals, the local people, you know, like there was a time where you could say this and on FOX, they would repeat it, and and they would see the clip and people would genuinely be, and I think they're still going to be thirty thirty five percent who are like Democrats are bleeding support right now. Like, they're just people are walking away. The president said it on television. I don't think walkaway sticking like, I think it's I think it's Republicans and like Charlie Kirk think it sticking no one talks about walkaway. No, I don't I don't even know. Walking a lot of people here. The locals are walking, and they're going to milk people, and they're getting a milk loan and the new leaving the extreme the Democratic Party. They don't want the truth. People said you can't handle the truth. That's table. Some pimple. All right. Let's as this is all happening. It's the. It really does feel like, you know, I watched a little bit of morning Joe this morning because I was just curious. I know it's first time in. Ever and. It was they had on JIRA hottest on they really. Yep. And he mathematics that you're talking about. He was on. It is. But it's fascinating to see all these things that lineup. I mean because they they spent the whole day talking about the shutdown. It wasn't Joe and Biko. It was the it was Willie Nelson. Whenever the guy's name is. Oh, that's the hand. No. I don't think it's really guys so Willie Geist was hosting, but they they're talking about the shutdown and it's getting serious, right? And they're mocking in the same way that we have Donald Trump and Wilbur Ross and Larry cudlow trying to seem like they have, you know, actual warm blood flowing through their veins like the millennials. But then this story that is coming out of Gobbo's. The main story is the critique of Davos at this point, at least in what's in the in Davos has been sort of out of the the news for the past couple of cycles in part of it is that there's this critique out there and. They've let people into the building on some level where the critique is. And here is an exchange, and this is just a stunning exchange for for multiple reasons. And I think they should be obvious to a lot of people a Washington Post reporter is moderating the this panel. And it's a Washington Post panel, the the reporter is Heather long. She just does like a general beach. She's nico. No. She's she's she is. Kyron here as an economics correspondent for the Washington Post. Now, I just want everybody to of sit with that for a moment in a magin what the base line knowledge of the United States economy and just the things like the history of the economy, basic stuff, basic basic knowledge of how the tax system works. Very basic overview. She is doing this panel on it is this guy is Michael Dell from Dell computers, right? And this guy from MIT named Eric. Jolson he is director of MIT's initiative on the digital economy. And so here's the exchange. She asked a question, they get a big laugh because the idea of actual tax regime is hilarious. But listen to where this goes, they're growing calls to address these inequalities, particularly the wage inequality with more taxes in particular in the United States. There's been a call by congresswoman Cossio Cortez to tax people earning over ten million at a seventy percent tax rate. The current top rating states is thirty seven percent Michael Dell do you support this? I just want to thrill that. Wow. Well, look, I mean. My wife, and I set up a foundation. Twenty years ago positive. I just love the fact that he can't even joke around like they're all laughing in he immediately. He immediately goes to the talking points that he that that that his like he goes into defense. Can we say that Bill Gates who's more classy unless I mean, I hate Bill Gates, but he's less of like an obvious moron than Michael Dell. Made exactly the same point. About twenty years ago, and we would have contributed quite a bit more than seventy percent tax rate on my income on my annual income, and I feel much more comfortable with our ability as a private foundation to allocate those funds than I do giving them to the government. All right. I'm not supportive of that. Well key. And and and I don't think it would help the growth of the US economy. That's interesting. And can you say more about wine? Why you don't think it would name a country where that's worked ever? United States briefly in the eighties. Positive first off I off she is completely stumped by his his challenge. Name country where it's worked. In addition to having no further really follow up. This is the this is an economics correspondent for arguably the second most important newspaper in the country. I don't know where would rank internationally, but a fairly important paper that internationally as well an economics. Correspondent not the economics. Correspondent. And she says for a short time in the eighties. Now when Reagan knocked it up he wacked it up to eighty percent. The decree hop marginal tax rate starting in nineteen thirty six through through till nineteen eighty two was never below seventy percent. The highest was in the nineties and that was for over ten to fifteen years. It was in the high eighties from thirty six to fifty maybe hitting ninety occasionally these reporters just worship the orthodoxy of the current economy different Google. Yeah, they don't they don't like like, hey, I'm going, and I'm re-. I'm the economics correspondent for the Washington Post. And I'm going to ask Michael Dell about these tax rates. I wonder what the tax rates have been in this country that I am an economics. Correspondent for the second. Most important features of the modern economy. You're always writing like dumb like tributes to in the Washington Post is Google each which in dall-, computer. Dell computer, and then you go to go. And then you discover out to not embarrassed you something fundamentally wrong with everything that that that this basic level of competency, when you headed to like, it's just mind, but you know, it is guys. Merged Nate years. It's ideas, but wait a second. So fortunately, they have a guess you need to be a professor at MIT to to know this but go so the US economy, that's interesting. And can you say more about why why you don't think it would name country where that's worked ever? Nited states. Briefly in the eighties. No for from about the nineteen thirties through about the nineteen sixties the tax rate average about seventy percent at times it was up as high as ninety five percent. And those are actually pretty good years for growth. So I don't have a strong opinion on that proposal of the devil is in the details. But I think it's actually a lot of economics that suggests that it's not necessarily going to hurt growth. Yeah. I mean, and it's actually wasn't eighty to the top marginal tax rate went down to fifty percent. And then in eighty six I think it was for the big omnibus tax reform. I think it is went down to where it is now like in the high thirties and. The during that period of times, it was post-war. Granted they call it. The great compression, the economy work for more. People broadly speaking than it has in terms of wealth inequality, and in terms of everyone, you know, living a decent middle class life. Plaque people didn't share in a lot of this part of it was by design by the US, government, frankly. But that's that's the reality. But the idea that just the basic I just flabbergasted by the reporter more than anything else. I can understand off the worse doesn't she? And I've never seen something. So satisfying MIT reporter body ING her. I mean, I can say because I'm a woman, right? But yeah, I mean, it was it's it's mind boggling, I think that there's when you see reporting around economics the CNBC's of the world. And you know, I'd include her in that it's not even about the history. It's not about looking at policy, even it's about this kind of disturbing worship of corporate culture, and of wealth building and economic forums like Davos, you know, were are part of that weird worship. It's a capitalism shrine, basically. And they're just kind of Sinaga Fers about what's going on currently as opposed to giving context as to how things were all in the past. I think those a prime example of it. And agreed just example. And it also is is a great example of the implications of. Someone who gets elected in a primary with twenty five thousand votes in queens, and you were following around during that primary and the run up to the primary. Oh, yeah. It was one of the first people I think so is about a year ago, you know in March. So that's when I first covered her or did that full day report on her in that that question doesn't obviously doesn't come up. And there I think that MIT guys probably more emboldened to bring that up or would just all of it. I mean, it's just I think that's the other dynamic of like Dabo's, I think is always invited. Like they liked to have. Okay, come give us a little critique to prove that were willing to to size. But if you're in a room with all with a couple of hundred literally the global elites right like in the proper uses the word, and then you just know it's going to be streamed on C span. Nobody's gonna watch it because it's really boring after you let get over the novelty of watching. Bano lecture. Click some leader from Zimbabwe that relief for others nonsense that happens at Davos, but now because it's social media lake their market in a non gets this better than anybody else. Dav owes. It's the fact that I'm gonna get clipped pissing. Tony Blair off. That's gonna go viral. That's the whole point of this conference is Michael Dell looks like an idiot. They are whining about tax rates and then doing bizarre exercises where they pretend to be migrants as like experiential learning, and it's for the rest of us to look at them and go, oh, you people should be in the dust of history. You've ruined the world. And you're delusional. I'd say we're about three years away from Dabo's being a lot last public Burke. Oh, yeah. Like a government in exile. I think it's going to be like, no social media. We'll definitely we need to be able to really exchange. People. Absolutely here is another example of of Davos, basically. People basically ju jitsu wing 'Davis in some way. Like, I'm glad you've all assembled here to make each other feel good. And now we're going to use you into of everything that's wrong. And this is this is a time magazine panel on the state of inequality, they invited this guy rut Rutger Bergman he's an author. I don't know what else is critiqued credentials are. But he's written a he wrote another book about about wealth inequality, and the I guess the. Disequilibrium that's created by having such wealthy people. And I think where is he from these European obviously dodge all right here is the exchange, and it's interesting to look, I don't know who the other panelists are, but they're all like, wait a second. You know, nobody likes to have one of those comments that indicts everybody for being onstage. This is my first time at devas. And and I find it quite a wilderness experience to be honest. I mean, fifteen hundred private jets flown in air to hair, sir. David Attenborough speak about you know, how wrecking the planet, and I hear people talk in the language of participation and Justice and quality and transparency. But then I mean almost no one race. It's really issue techs. Void right. And of the rich just not paying their fair share. I mean, if I met a firefight Vitus conference and no one's allowed to speak about water. Right. There was there was only one panel actually. We've had two you're the second. One penalty. Let's go there one panel hidden away in the media centered. It was actually Texas. I was about was one of the fifteen participants something needs to change here. I mean ten ten years ago the World Economic Forum ASTA question, what missed industry do to prevent brought social backlash the very simple. Just stop talking about for them for start talking about Texas. I mean, just two days ago. There was a billionaire in here. What's his name Michael Dell? And he asked the question like Namie one country where top marginal extra seventy percent is actually worked and I'm historian United States. That's where has actually worked nine hundred fifty during Republican President Eisenhower veteran marginal tax rate in the US was ninety one percent for people like Michael del Este Tech's for people like Mike Elvis mortis seventy percent. I mean, this is not rocket science. I mean, we can very long time about all these stupid philanthropy schemes phone at once. Mar it's we gotta be talking about Texas. That's it Texas, Texas, Texas, all the rest is bullshit in my opinion. Enjoy your last time at Davos. I mean, that's the I mean, it's it's obvious. It just it's a lot shorter conference. If that's the only panel that you have right, which is the one which talks about tax avoidance, and basically these schemes in which to rollback taxes, and they don't get to self aggrandizing about all the philanthropy and foundations as Michael Dell did in his first breath after that question was asked him while he was justifying tax avoidance. I mean, there's net exit of capital from Africa because of tax avoidance schemes that cancels all of the like, you know, because that's they love the Africa safe. Right. But if you buy a cow for a local business person in Africa that'll change it most preferred by a cow for so many Malawi tax. Comfortable with that. There was also a massive report that came out just I think the beginning of this week probably timed for Davos, which showed that a a very very strong correlation between companies that have donated to nonprofits and those nonprofits turning around and advocating for deregulatory practices on those companies just willy really, I know that's very shocking. I hope we haven't ruined any of your allusions, and I'm a mere twenty four. But I I still am a cynical. I feel like everyone at the table. So it's a little sad. It's a little sad. Oh, all right. Well, let's we gotta take a quick break. Actually, we're gonna take a flipped a quick break. And about me. Hopefully, Larry is back and we're going to stick. Right. You ever watch. Bob's burgers. No on my list. All right. Well, there you go. Won't won't know who Larry is. So he's gonna call in other things. Besides abouts spreaker. I actually that's a good point nothing. No funny voices in a variety of platforms. Asi mcgee. Do you know that cartoon him McGee? No, all right. Intro take quick break. When we come back. We'll bring on Larry Murphy. Live a. Laugh at. And they're coming to. We are back Sam cedar on the majority report, ladies and gentlemen. Our next guest needs no introduction. But I will give him one. Anyways. His the voice of teddy and Harold wife on Bob's burgers. I can't remember her name, but the name and your her and Harold Harold is is is Edith Edith, right? That's right and Ella. Good spa. She's walked off the set. I'm not exactly sure why she's was not a fan. And also, of course, you were ASI and Ashley McGee, right? That's true. And Larry, Murphy and gentleman. Thank you. Thank you very much. Mike, Michael his Mike. Taking a little vacation for a moment. He'll be back. And is here from the young Turks. Are you familiar with her work? Hello. I'm no, I'm not I'm sorry. Okay. Well, she didn't know your say either. So you're pretty excited this morning. Roger stone was arrested those good news. Yeah. What maybe it's not surprising news, right? No. It's not surprising. Was there anything that? You found surprising about it. That would speak to the press after he came out swat team. What do you think that? I I mean, I I'm not surprised by that. I think that you know, you have to I think that they probably have to do kinda win the press over and make it a big enough deal. So that it comes up on the radar. I think I don't know what the logic is for twenty nine guys or whatever he Andrea listed what what showed up at his house. But you know, they did the same exact thing to minute. They did the same thing to for the whole swat team. Oh, yeah. There's in fact, we have video footage of the arrest of Roger stone. And I look I think it's like logically damaging when he couldn't pick out an outfit before it to go. The courtroom that hit that hard throw up the Nixon sign though minutes ago. This this stuff that he did to Randy credit co two it seems like he really, you know, he really was abusive to Randy critic oh. Who I think is you know, on balance a decent guy. And maybe got caught up in something that he wasn't quite sure that he was what he was involved with. But here is. Ran. With course. He did. He did he do. They basically say that he flipped that happened in the last week to we don't know. Of course. He flipped. Yeah. But he seems awful sweaty. Last time we saw right here is some footage of the rest. I would just playing in the background. Okay. Biro drum corps may what's his face. Look healthy. Oh, okay. Let's play this footage of Roger Stanton is all really unhealthy. I look I got one thing to just a report we were mentioning about twenty minutes ago that it looked like over the next couple of days. We could see the Republicans crumble on this thing, particularly with the with the announcement of the shutdown of the airports this morning CBS reports that senior officials tell CBS news, expect President Trump to endorse a short term Bill to reopen. The government and end the partial shutdown the length of such a measure on clear two to three weeks. So this could be done by by Monday. People could be back at work hopefully home in. I mean the union. Oh. Stay gonna happen. It's gonna happen. Well, that's I mean you saw today that the basically now that air traffic controllers, they're pretty forward letter. That was the equivalent of if anything if anything happens on you like yesterday, and then now this kind of at LaGuardia this morning. It was kind of that situation where they weren't saying LaGuardia that was closed, but it was the other east coast. No LaGuardia was quite getting cancelled attacked it. Right. Yeah. All right. Well, they said that it happens. It's Nancy Pelosi's fall. We'll try to. Here is. Here's Roger stone outside you, probably know as Nancy. He's so adults. He can't dictate buddy. Boy, Nancy Pelosi is I call her. Not nicely with your she. Here is the grading that. Roger stone got when he came walks out of federal court in Fort Lauderdale, apparently not a huge hero down there. Well. I have always Ted. Is not been tough. Two year inquisition. Charges today relate and no way to rushing. News operation or any other illegal lactic connection twenty sixteen campaign. I am closely accused of making false statements during my testimony. That is incorrect any era I made in my estimating would be immaterial and without intent. Walk him up. Yeah. That was pretty pretty fun. Happy. The FBI agents. They when they knocked down this or they should've screamed get me Roger stone, right? He's I do hope he gets to jail. So that he can talk about. Oh, no, I didn't get this. I didn't get the here. I got this before I came to jail. Have to with this big Nixon's out. You literally hasn't Nixon tattoo. Yes. Freak would you would you hire Rudy Giuliani as your attorney? If you were him, absolutely. Complete chaos. One hundred percent chaos. What do you think is going down with Juliette now? Larry Larry comes. The laughing. The last thing I heard was that they asked him. You know, Trump tweeted, basically, no collusion, and then they asked ready Giuliani, and I think they must have him on a gag hold. Now, he's not allowed to speak. So he was just like I did speak with the president. I spoke with the president about it. And the president said got up. That's being quiet. So here I am. Okay. Here is like Trump's really losing it but still together enough to realize that Juliani should really shut the fuck up. Here's John forty eight hours from realize what happened Juliana grew forty eight hour, don't touch it in real time. Take like takes a little processing how does he process it little delay? What how does he process it? Oh, what would what when they ask me about that? What am I supposed to say him? Does it easy? Does say anything about that? Got it. Got it boss. Hypothetically speaking, if he talked to gruza Fatullah if these torn communication if he worked for the Kremlin. If it some point on three way call that's not a crime. North. He didn't say anything on the call not that he did. And if it was on tape, you don't have those tapes. Yes. The best is what he wanted. He mentioned tape. Why did he mention that? He he was weird. Well, yeah. It was weird said because I should I shouldn't have said takes. Yes. Implicated Knicks near the seventy four we'll get nothing like tapes. No, taping system not pieces inside the place, no syrup. Tissues tapes were ever made by the president by anyone that is worth. Illegal ten them. We're not gonna give them to you. I don't think there's audio of it was in the interview with jot ner, and he said, he says, look, I've reviewed the tapes, I have reviewed all the emails. They didn't mention anything about it. And then shot goes, you heard tapes, I shouldn't said tapes. He's a lot coffee was murdered with like torturing like. Volley composting Hobo where did your? Here's this is. This is right here. Okay. So. He goes he goes. But I could tell you from the moment. I read the story. I knew the story was false and China goes because because I have been through all the tapes, I have been through all the text. I have been through all the emails. I knew none existed in Ben basically when the special counsel said just in case there are others. I might not know about they probably went through others found the same thing. Wait, what tapes have you gone through? I shouldn't have said. Alleged there were texting emails that corroborative cone saying and there were no texts. No emails o Becca stupid is by its cell eight you so there were no tapes. You listen to though, no tapes. Well, I have listened to tapes, but none of them guitar. That's trying to sell Trump himself. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. What he's really just a p. I mean, he's the PR wing. Right. I mean isn't right now with this isn't this just to come out ahead of something before it gets exposed. Yes. So that elite thinking is he actually his lawyer like is he doing any legal briefing? Right. Is he I think with is he an actual lawyer. Right. I think that we should establish whether he voyeur guy. So what is the point of starting to realize? Single like figure from the Gambino and banana families that this guy put in jail start his career should be released from prison immediately. And they all have new trials. Well, there are without a doubt. They're all. Just guy games. Him. Date you name America's mayor. Oh mine. I visited though that Trump Trump can't get outside counsel because no one will work for him because he doesn't pay people to have somebody who will just be there. And like process of also part of is largely smell largely that he's that he might be culpable in the end for crimes Yuliana who sat signed up Giuliani. I think he loves attention. It's no, I I think it could be I think it could be both good job. I don't think of protecting himself of others. I think it also trying to get back on. Now. I think I think it's I think it's I think it's he enjoys it. I think he also monetize it. I mean, he is the as long as he has the air the president he's out, and he's getting contracts from millions and millions of dollars those doubt, he's going to he's going to Brazil. I I would put so much money on that. He's already read he ran a business throughout the Obama years of teaching like governments in Latin America how to even have more ruthless. Police the rights he's gets all these private contracts department of homeland security guy. Yeah. No, he's horrible human being. And I think part of it is it's also political process. And so he's trying to he's trying to, you know, muddy the waters, but the real question to me, you know, I always circle back on this is like these guys are bad at this. They're bad at this record good at it. When it comes to even being why did it take? They know what they're doing is legal. It doesn't seem like anyone's clandestine. Did you hear? Did you see some of the things that came out with Roger stone where it's like, hey, since we're gonna talk about something legal. Should we switch to what's up? You know, the one that's in crypt. It's that. They can't read the legal. Good idea that it's like, oh, what's that? All right. Bye. Week thing. A legal before we switch to the other app. But this is the thing that that that I can't get past. You saw the, you know, the time story the propublica stories that show that basically Trump has been just his entire enterprise been criminal for decades. How is it that these people have been able to act with impunity four decades in this city where you have some of the most ambitious political prosecutors in the country, right? I mean, this is not just protecting. The big weeks is not like Donald Trump had some type of like broad constituency. There's a real sense that everybody thought he was a schmuck Cy Vance got political donations from him. Yeah. Twenty-five grant. But I'm how much better would he on? I know that my bag. Well, the twenty five grand is is a decent amount. But DA for DA, but how much better would he have been off if he was the one who took Donald Trump down. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's that's I just think that rich. People get to use New York as their personal playground and see themselves as above the law and a lot of people in law enforcement. Just don't turn a blind. I just don't think it's at the top of people's priorities. I think generally, that's absolutely true. Particularly people who are in the system, but I sort of feel like Donald Trump was is if you were a prosecutor, and you wanna make name for yourself is there would there have been a better person to take down the Donald Trump. And it seems like it would have been the easiest thing in the world to do the no consequences because he doesn't represent any actual power exactness the trust fund jackass exact like actually going after act, right? They're not going to go after I really do Riggan own the system. Exact some ass seem to be tolerated by all society like Donald gonna show up. Again. A lot of people made a lot of money off him. I think that's true too. Put him out in front. He's that's type person go after right? Yeah. But also this celebrity worship to he was in each kinds of circles. I mean before he became really right wing. He was hobnobbing with the Clintons. So it's not like he was aided. Trump figure for a majority of his public life. Definitely I was also those one before it. No, he copies, Fox News. But that was when he was like, I was just reading this piece about Indonesia than he at times had product stuff going big stuff. Yeah. It's the time is free McCollum poi- smart guy. Big stuff going on India Larayed, globalization. Larry relic zander's reading about Palestine bigly. Oh, yeah. It's about time. Larry, no, do you go through some of that too? I mean, do you find I'm not gonna say specifically where in Massachusetts you live? But do you find that you basically have carte blanche because of fear status? What do you mean? Carp lunch? What I mean? Like, I mean, can you get away with all sorts of stuff because you're celebrity do you is getting and get away with the what what am I getting away with? I mean, why don't you list off some of the things I know a lot of interactions fam-. I really don't. Yeah. He's like I'm not gonna to. Yes. I'm not choosing that. Larry built a an unprompted shed his backyard. Absolutely ridiculous. Those are allegations are false fam- really comment. You wanna talk about what's going on your roof deck with what you're growing up there. I don't know if they're playing. The Larry let me ask you this. Did you get a permit for that slab that you put down? Bit get oh Sam speeder. We might have a bad connection. Hold on. I'm gonna put my lawyer on the phone. Have a slam and you never got a permit is no problem within anyway. Because you wouldn't know about it. There were no tapes of the slab being discussed tapes of that here is this guy. John Berman on on CNN talking to Sarah Huckabee Sanders, you sent me a picture. Let's look at the picture first. She looks like she is crying. I've been told. I look like her. Like Phanor versa. Can you do that that that that that face though, that she has they're like me to do? We already said we're not going to respond to what jank's had said before. I'm not bringing. I'm not going to bring Ben make what's his comments into this offer his lights doctor. That's awesome. Koets reference. They're all over the ship. All right. Let's let's listen to this exchange. Audra stone the president's longtime political visor placed under arrest. What's your reaction? Look, my first reaction is real simple. This has nothing to do with the president and certainly nothing to do with the White House. This is something that has to do. Holy with that individual and not something that affects us here in this Bill, just the president is literally named not by name as whatever is is all in the passive someone is ordered to do this stuff who else would be doing the ordering. There's also something that affects us here in this building nothing to do with the president on this show a couple of months ago, Corey Lewandowski who was one time campaign manager to then candidate Donald Trump used to tell me it would make him crazy when then candidate Trump would talk to Roger stone on the phone, and it would happen. A lot is connection between Roger stone in the now prison of the United States would concede that look Roger stone's somebody who's been a consultant for dozens of Republic. Hicken presidents and candidates and members of congress, but conversations between those individuals have nothing to do with the fact of what these charges are about. And that's about whether or not he made false statements. We'll let the courts make that decision. I think a bigger question is if these if this is the standard will this same standard apply to people like Hillary Clinton. James combing Clapper, where we see the same people who we know of also made false statements will that same standard apply. And that's a question that we'll have to see what happens on that front. What Obama had actual ride coordinate with the Iranians to get hurt on mitt? Romney, you go you go through a subs. If you're listening, if you're listening, if you get more more more stuff lake more on this moustachioed, axle, rather, non the statue. Because they're they're totally mustache you. We're gonna keep talking about crimes. She get on the what's that? Oh boy. Larry where does this go? What happens next here on top? I don't our you. Man on the street. I'm in DC right now. Just a quick question over here. I'm with the best. Question. No. You you fall. You follow? You follow the Muller investigation as much as anybody. I know of in what wh- where what do you think is happening you, you know, you're not completely. You have some sense. I don't think we have. I don't think we have conceit fully what's happening behind like. I did think that Sam. Yep. Go ahead. I'm listening. I did think that that BuzzFeed story. I thought that was a little sketchy considering they hadn't done anything before. And then that occurred. That's never happened before. It was not not a leak. I think that that's I think that's going to be. I think that's going to be true. I think what was said was going to be true. What they said. It was it was inaccurate. I mean, if it was inaccurate was any inaccurate. Does not mean fall. Right. I think the chose their words, and I think they were forced to respond through Trump's lawyers in who knows Whitaker. I mean, that's going to be asked at some point. My sense senses. I mean, I don't think that I don't I think it's very unusual that happened. And I feel like it that happening when it did. And all of the at least from what I've read all of these indictments these can't be altered. They can't stop them from happening because they were already sealed and filed. So it's basically like they can't there's no work around for that. But every other angle they can work. I mean, come on who's going to admit that they had a conversation with the where they were like, I'm press do septic. Who's gonna that doesn't make any sense, that's obstructionist? And like when he has to speak before the house and explain the conversations you had with Trump. How would he do that? Exactly. What's he gonna say? Who's that Whittaker? Yeah. Well, I mean, he's going to be asked to series of questions that are like there. There's no reasonable answer for it. I don't know that Whitaker would have told the Muller investigation to issue that as much as the Muller investigation would have done that. Because you know, MARCY wheelers explanation is that they don't have the same relationship with cone that the southern district of New York does southern district of New York does not need him for a and don't want him as a witness. And so you had to investigators it said that clearly indicated it wasn't with the Muller investigation that probably are wear this stuff. Meanwhile, Muller chooses not to use this information because for some other reason he wants to maintain Cohen's validity as a witness in other areas. And so he doesn't want to impeach his own witness because that is not even sufficient, apparently, whatever Muller has is bigger than telling Cohen to lie to congress, right? And speaking of can you explain to me what transpired in the last week with the fact that he declined to show up voluntarily then he was subpoenaed by the house. And then he was subpoenaed by the Senate. I mean it. It sounds correct. I I don't I think he's not yet subpoenaed by the house, right? But I now his excuse to postpone like the voluntary question is the threat, but that smells like to me. Definitely. Yeah. And I think it's probably because they he Muller has said to him. You don't wanna be asked that question in front of congress because they're going to ask you the question. If you lied to us before and you gonna have to you're going to be compelled to answer. And I would imagine that the the committee also is aware of this and they don't want to spoil cone. But I don't know how long they think they can punt. And so he goes to prison in March seems like stuff may becoming down very sin because of that the prison March and that's killed for mid February. And I thought it was I. I mean, no matter what he will be appearing. But now it's behind closed doors. He's an informant which is totally unfair appear. Once he's been in prison, bad Lauria. I tell you what you can come. He's cards for are the better lilies. It's gonna look PC shit. It's gonna look back though. But that was that was another Trump classic, man. A couple of months ago it he's just he literally like he's like, yeah. It's called like Rico. What they do is. They get a guy to rat should be outlawed. To that. Great businesses take down to that technique. It's actually think about it to government. On him. And then he fits him. Then you've got the boss shit. The bus of the road. So they get somebody else. Do dirty work for them. Really, I know because this happened to a couple of good friends of mine. That's why I call them. Build him up Muller. Cake stacking mother fishing guy, mother come up with a bunch of different things. Rathi used to help it by casinos. So Larry, the what's what's what why don't we break some news here? What's the story with what is going on with the Bob's burgers movie? No story. Still in snowing play no palm other than of date of release. That's all I have with. Sure that you're probably getting daily phone calls and daily updates. What's going on an I going to be in the movie, or what I have no idea, they come on Sam, you know, that these questions I can answer for you. Lawyer laying very Larry. I would ask. I think I should ask my lawyer. Yeah. If if Larry knew anything about the Bob's burgers movie, even if it was moving forward without Husam. He's not obligated to tell you. Meetings say Sam is out. He's out. Don't tell them about that. He's not in the movie. He's under no obligation. Hypothetically. Well, I never said that about Sam. Ever. Said that I never did that. Larry, always a pleasure, buddy. Hey, thanks. Thanks. Bye guys. Bye. Thanks, larry. It's awesome to have Larry a good mood about what's going on. Yeah. The last couple of times he was on. He was like, I'll do funny voices. But the Republic lapsing to write than today's like Roger stone's going in jail day for for us enjoys he enjoys the the he'll enjoys the police work. Do we have a? We have to of. Now what? About Jimmy Reefer cake. I don't need to subject her to that. She's our steam guest. I am esteem. Yeah. Let's let's I mean come on. I think we got one minute. What is this is your size adenovirus class, folks? Just a reminder of this program relies on your support you can become a member at join the majority report dot com. Joined the majority dot com. We'll give you extra content every day. Got new collaborate. Hugh, none. So it's a mid thirties. Or is that three minutes? I can't tell Jay Cunanan minute thirty. All right. Well, let's play minute. Thirty. Thirty. The way we need that need robots. Re tweet. Getting. On friday. A little far far afield from the original mandate. 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2 times in 2 days Republicans vote against Trump
"Now, it's time for the last word with Lawrence O'Donnell, good evening due to Rachel, and it's yet another day in which the government of the United States of America competes with the government of the United Kingdom for which one had a worst day, which one can sell. Yes. It has been an amazing thing to watch. Just incredible. Thank you. Right. Well tonight, we will have another episode of meet the freshman freshman member of the democratic house representatives. I Anna Presley will join us to discuss her confrontation with commerce secretary Wilbur Ross and an oversight committee hearing today and Harvard Law School professor Laurence tribe will join us on how today's vote in. The Senate will help the lawsuits against the Trump declaration of emergency to build a wall at the southern border and also discuss a new element in a possible. Obstruction of Justice case against the president. And at the end of the hour tonight, we will discuss what to expect in the transition of power when the time comes for Donald Trump to leave the White House and show you Donald Trump of all people saying that he thinks Beto aerobics hand gestures indicate that pedal. Roar just might be crazy. This. From the man with these strangest hand gestures in the history of the American presidency, but I will be joined by former Senator Heidi Heitkamp and MSNBC's joy Reid on the dramatic vote in the Senate today in which more Republican senators turned against President Trump than ever before the Republican controlled Senate dealt President Trump a stinging defeat today voting to end the president's national merges declaration at the southern border, Donald Trump and his White House staff worked hard to pressure Republicans before the vote they actually did manage to turn around one Republican Senator who very publicly had declared and put it in writing that he would vote against the president. But one was not enough. Twelve Republican senators voted against the president and helped the Democrats win the vote fifty nine to forty one. Here is a sample of Republican senators who voted against the president today. Never before has a president asked for funding. The congress is not provided. And then the president has used the national emergencies act of nineteen seventy six to spend the money anyway, they use of national emergency power to circumvent. Congress explicit decision on funding is unprecedented. No presidents ever used. What's called the national mercy's act in this way? As spending requests was designated as an emergency only only if the need or spending. Met five a five part tests. It had to be necessary. Sudden urgen unforeseen and not permanent his decision to fund a border wall through a national -mergency declaration would never pass all of this five part tests. After the vote. The president tweeted that he looked forward to vetoing the resolution. House speaker Nancy Pelosi said this is not an emergency in the congress has declared a strong bipartisan voice that the president's fearmongering doesn't make it one. It was the second time in two days that Senate Republicans voted against the president yesterday. Seven Republican senators voted with the Democrats to end US military support for Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen. And the house of representatives saw the kind of vote today. It hasn't seen in a long time on a matter involving President Trump four Republican four Republicans voted present today just presents. But no Republicans voted against a resolution in the house of representatives saying, quote, the report of special counsel Muller should be made available to the public and to congress the vote for that resolution was four hundred twenty two zero with four Republicans voting present present today. Senate democratic. Leader Chuck Schumer d- tried to bring up that same resolution in the Senate for a vote and Republican Senator Lindsey Graham objected and blocked of on that resolution today. The president was asked if his immigration policies are cruel. Are your innovation policies crew? Now, I don't think they're cruel. I think they're the opposite of cruel. They become cruel because the so ridiculous. And it hurts people it actually does the reverse of what they're supposed to. But no, they're actually meant to be the opposite. And the hurting people they're really hurting both her, and I think that we have done an incredible job. We're apprehending record numbers of people. The green you see the president wearing their today is in celebration of Saint Patrick's Day, which is celebrated early in Washington. And is of course, a celebration of the history of American immigration, particularly from Ireland NBC news Calipari has once again spent the week at the southern border reporting on Trump border policies today, he reported from one of the places on the border that does have a wall. Lawrence were here at the wall between El Paso and warez, and there's a new phenomenon here going on when you talk to aid workers, they'll tell you because the Trump administration is turning my ribs back at the ports of entry. What they're doing is. They're coming here to this spot in the fence. Why are they coming here? Well, they're coming to lie for a silent. And they can do so quite easily. Because even though I'm now standing on the Mexico side of this barrier. I'm still in America, the border is of course, the river the halfway point between that water so all migrants need to do to legally apply for silent. Get to this point and customs and border protection will pick them up and start processing them through centers. Once they're processed through their released into the city of El Paso, a city that is completely overwhelmed. You'll see a wall in most parts of our county. But yet we're still receiving record number two migrants. The status quo of processing processing these migrants leaving it up to local communities to to deal with the migrants and to help assist them after that, I think is grossly unfair. We get no state assist. Since we received no other systems for many other level of government. But I think the federal government should help communities such as passive all of this raises yet another legal question. We've been told by activists and aid workers that migrants will sometimes wait for twenty four hours on the other side of that fence because before customs and border protection is able to pick them up and process them by law customs border protection should be doing it. Immediately. The problem with that. Is there just as overwhelmed as everybody? Leading off our discussion now is former democratic Senator Heidi Heitkamp. She is now a fellow at Harvard's institute of politics. Also, joining us, joy Reid and MSNBC national correspondent and host of AM joy weekends on MSNBC. And NBC news. Correspondent is kept. Cal Perry is joining us from the southern border tonight, and Senator Heitkamp so glad to have you here because you were working in that Senate when it just last year when it was unimaginable that twelve Republicans would stand up and vote against this president of the United States. Well, you say it's against the president. I liked put it this way. It's for the constitution is for article one powers, which is absolutely critical and many of the people voted that way. We're appropriators because they don't like being told what to do. And if you if you crack this, you can't crack this again, I think you take people like Mike Lee who stood with his principles where it was Ted Cruz for eight years, or at least the six years. I was there. Ted Cruz railed against. Executive encroachment on legislative authority, and certainly was very critical of President Obama. He didn't stand with the constitution today. And I really applaud my colleagues who stood with the constitution stood with the importance of article one what knowing them as you do having worked with them their arms for for so many years. Did you have any surprises in the way? The Republicans broke today. I think Jerry Moran was interesting. I think that he's a great guy. I worked with them quite a bit because he represents a rural state, but I think he really stood on principle. Lamar Alexander not a surprise Lamar's and 'institutionalised he understands that balance of power. He's retiring Leeson and Susan. No, no surprise. But I really think there were a number of people like wicker like Moran who really in their gut believe that this was a constitutional vote a significant vote, and that the people who voted the other way while alternately regret it because just like breaking the filibuster. Just like going nuclear on judges things will change. And then all of a sudden, you're on the other side of it. We have to be for institutional norms, and certainly twelve Republicans today stood up for the constitution and the institution of the United States Senate. A jury read I was on the hill yesterday, and I had a more the one democratic Senator tell me that would sort of had Cam just said about the ones who voted against it and many of them know in their hearts that it was the right thing to do. I had democratic senators telling me many of them most of them know in their hearts, it's the right thing to do. But their hearts aren't going to let them do what Donald Trump doesn't want them to do. Right because cowardice is more powerful than what they know in their hearts. I mean, I'm glad that Senator. Heitkamp mentioned Ted the constitution cruise because what's happening here is that these senators who are voting against essentially their own power. They're not just voting against the constitution with all due respect to the Senator. They're literally voting to to diminish their own. On status and standing as constitutional officers. The constitution was written with the understanding that each branch of government that was equal would jealously guard their power for somebody like Ted Cruz to call himself a constitutional originalist. But then say go ahead and take my power. If if my body says no to the president, the president could override my body. How do they run for re election saying that I'm the guy who stood for neutering the Senate? I'm the guy who stood for diminishing the power of the body that I want to serve in it makes no sense. And I'll tell you the Cory Gardner for my hope home state of Colorado, the Denver post which shocked everyone by endorsing him thinking, he would be some sort of constitutional conservative has just withdrawn the adornment of him and said it was a mistake because obviously Cory Gardner cares. More about the second branch of cover it. Then the I enjoy you have Lamar Alexander of voting against the president. He's not running for re election in Tennessee. I guess we don't know what he would have done if he was running for reelection. And then you have Susan Collins who is run. Free election in Maine, and she voted against the president. How do you read? The Susan Collins vote says the continent trouble, Cory Gardner, and Susan gar are probably the two Republicans in the biggest trouble in terms of their re elect I see Susan Collins sort of desperately trying to figure out this sort of line that she has to walk between being Trumpy enough to prevent herself from getting primary, but also seeming like a normal Republican enough to get reelected. I don't see how either of the two of these guys get back in Susan Collins can keep trying to get back in the good graces of sort of normal, moderate cloth. Coat republicans. I'm not sure it works. I think about Pat Toomey who also seems to be trying the same thing and saying look, no, no, no, I'm still a normal conservative. The problem is this is not a conservative Republican party. It's the party of Trump. It's a personality cult, and you either get with the cult or you get out of congress co Perry you're at the border once again this week this kind of vote has no immediate effect on anything that's happening at the border. What what about life at the? Order as it relates to what's being talked about in the Senate or in Washington. It seems to be a pretty big disconnect. Yeah. Look in places like El Paso, where you had twenty five thousand family units taken into custody in the first four months of twenty nine thousand nine s compared to twelve thousand family units in all of twenty eighteen it's it's crazy to think that it's a national emergency. There is certainly a humanitarian crisis going on people here. We'll say that up front, but it's because this administration is doing unlawful things like turning migrants away at the port of entry. So you have the president of the United States saying to a hemisphere come to the ports of entry enter in the correct way. And then he turns those people away. So folks are coming to the wall they're coming to these little loophole areas where they know they have to be lit in customs and border protection is now holding these people for sometimes eight nine ten days. These are family units. These are mothers and fathers with their children. And they're being held in these processing centers that are just not equipped to hold them. So you have things like thirty people in a cage that's meant to hold fifteen. And i'm. Choosing my words carefully here because this administration is misleading people about the emergency that exists in this country. The secretary of DHS secretary Nielsen misled congress when she said that these were not cages El Paso is a safe city. Crime has not risen even though it's become a waystation for these migrants that are just trying to come Lawrence because the situation frankly in South America is is deteriorating. Very quickly. Senator I always like to have Kerry here when we're discussing anything about the border because these Washington discussions almost never have anything to do with the reality there. I want to focus in on one Republican who was apparently forced with under all the pressure to vote with the president on this is Thom Tillis North Carolina Republican, you know, served within the Senate. He wrote a Washington Post op Ed saying there is no intellectual honesty in supporting the president's position on this. That's what he wrote les month. He he said in the up end. A US Senator I cannot justify providing the executive with more ways to bypass congress. And today he changed his position on every word that he wrote in the Washington Post, and he voted with President Trump. Now. No one's force first off to vote with the president. You have to make a choice, and obviously that's a choice that the Senator from North Carolina made today, I think that he will rue the day that he did this flip flop because you know at. You know, at at some point when you say, I'm going to stand on principle, and then nothing changes. But you change your vote. That's a really hard thing to justify at home. Because one thing people, I know in this era where it seems like everything's, you know, there's so much apocryphal in politics that just doesn't pass the authentic smell test of doing the right thing and standing up for your principles. I think he would have a lot better lot better off of he had stood with his principles. But he was enforced by anyone. He made that choice of this. Very good point. I shouldn't use that word. Forced join I've seen senators pressured before, but it is not forced they do have. They're always have their right to vote their conscience vote their position, but I have never ever seen a flip flop. Like this. You get the Washington Post op Ed you put it all in writing. And then you completely flip flop and go the other way, I'm not I don't think that's ever happened in the history of the Senate. I mean extraordinary Lawrence because this was this was. Supposedly a statement of principles. But obviously principles me nothing when it comes to whether or not you are going to turn yourself into an operatic and employees of the president of the United States. That is not what a United States Senator is supposed to be you are in a Coequal branch of government. And I have to say beyond Thom Tillis, I think about these senators that are from the south west where I grew up where was Cornyn where was Martha mcsally if you were from Arizona or you're from Colorado or your from Texas, you know, that this is bogus. You know that you have to go back and face not a district. You're not in some red district in the house. You're facing a whole state where you have citizens of this country of Hispanic descent who know that you're lying who know that you are demonizing them, and you have to go back and face those people too. They can pretend they only have to face Trump voters when you get reelected, but as Senator Heitkamp knows a Senator runs in a state, you don't just run in a district. So good luck in Arizona in Texas in places like that facing those votes. Hours with ally. Were you decided to side with the president saying this was an emergency cow Perry can tell you it's not an emergency. All of our great reporters. They know it's a lie. And I think that when the these centers up for reelection. They should have to answer for that jury rude. Thank you very much for starting off tonight. Cal perry. Thank you for your input from the border. We really knew that in this conversation and Senator Heitkamp always right to have you on a night when there's been big action in the United States Senate, really appreciate you being here. And when we come back freshman congresswoman, I Anna Presley will join us after confronting Wilbur Ross and today's oversight committee hearing and Harvard law professor Laurence tribe will join us with his reaction to new information about another possible, obstruction of Justice by President Trump and today, Donald Trump criticized metal aerobics hand gestures, and he asked us to study aerobics hand gestures, which we will actually do later in this hour, and we're also going to study Donald Trump's hand gestures. And at the end of the hour. I'm going to discuss something that I've been very. Reluctant to discuss. But has now become a larger worry from some people since for some people since Michael Cohen said this. That will never be a peaceful transition of power. And then the president gave an interview yesterday in which he said something that sounded too many people like a threat if he lost the election or was impeached, and I don't wanna fan the flames of panic about this. So I've been very reluctant to discuss. But at the end of this hour, I'll tell you what I think is going to happen in the next presidential transition of power. The bipartisan vote in the Senate today to end President Trump's emergency declaration at the southern border will be used in court against the president in lawsuits that have been brought to block the president's emergency declaration Harvard law, school's constitutional law. Professor Laurence tribe is a co counsel in one of those cases, and we are fortunate once again tonight to have presser professor Laurence tribe. Join us professor tribe. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. And I want to get your reaction to what is now. Both the Senate and the house clearly voting with clear majorities to try to block the president's emergency declaration. How will that find its way into your lawsuits to block the declaration? But it certainly makes lawsuit even stronger strong to begin with because the power of the purse belongs to the president. And even in a real emergency of the kind that we faced in the Korean war when. Truman sees the steel mills he was told by the supreme court. You can't do that. When congress hasn't given you a clear green light because that involves spending money to compensate them after you have seized them in this case, congress didn't give a green light. It did pass the national emergencies AC, but that is never meant that. When the president asks congress for something and says, I urgently needed in congress says you don't but you can pretend that you have a clear green light. And if there was any ambiguity it was removed by the overwhelming bipartisan vote, the fifty nine to forty one vote in the Senate joining the house the fact that the president will veto it is not decisive. The court can still take note of these votes in that they are majority votes. And and right. And when what are you see is the timetable for these cases, well, that's a little hard to. Say I mean, we are suing in the eastern district of Texas. There are other cases and other districts of the government may slow walk them because they don't really believe there is an emergency. They may take quite a while. But it is clear that once the government files it's answer we can move to seek quite immediate relief. And we're looking forward to that. Because as judge Jackson said in another case, just the other day courts are one place where facts still matter and even though courts are differential to the president the fact that there is no emergency at the border as joy Reid so eloquently described and as we've seen as everybody knows. That fact is going to make a difference. Even if there were an emergency as I've said, the president can't take the power of the person to his own hands. But here there is no emergency. And that makes this very strong case. Against the president as usual today in Washington in Washington in the age of Trump, there's more than one important legal story. I want to turn your attention for moment to House Judiciary chairman Jerry Nadler who participated in an interview of Matthew Whitaker who was temporarily the acting director of the FBI in his public testimony, Matthew Whitaker, certainly intended to give the committee the impression that he was his work was never interfered with in any way by President Trump. But let's listen to what Jerry Nadler said today about what happened in his closed door interview. With Matthew Whitaker this week. When presented directly with an opportunity to deny that the president talked to him about the Michael Cohen investigation. He refused. He refused to deny it Ebeid. It a lot of the questions, but he refused to deny that this goes to the heart of our investigation, which would be of obstruction of Justice and abuse of power if the president was seeking to influence that investigation in which he was possibly implicated, then that's very grave abuse of power to very grave, obstruction of Justice. Your reaction to that. Professor. I think Jerry Nadler is right. The facts need to be developed Dr being developed by the judiciary committee. But if it is the case as it now appears to be that the president tried to get Whitaker when he was acting attorney general to lean on the acting head of the southern district US attorney's office and to get Trump's friend unrecorded himself. And there isn't any such thing as unrecoverable, but if he was leaning on Whittaker to try to put back one of his political allies to run the prosecution in the southern district that becomes instance of obstruction number two hundred fifty seven or two hundred and fifty eight I'm losing count. But it certainly contributes to the pattern. Spoke there and called him. The acting director of the FBI was of course, the acting attorney general right where powerful position. In fact, professor Laurence tribe. Thank you very much for joining us. Really? Appreciate you being here tonight. You just want to remind the audience the press professors most recent book, he is the co author of to end presidency the power of impeachment, and that's now in paperback. And when we come back, the last time commerce secretary Wilbur Ross, testified to congress the Republicans were in control of representatives today was a very different story for Wilbur Ross, and his story actually has changed. Freshman democratic congressman I Anna Presley delivered her share of the tough questions to Wilbur Ross today, and she will join us next and later the president told us to study that Iraq's hand gestures today. We've decided to study his instead. Mister secretary you lied to congress. You misled the American people, and you are complicit in the Trump administration's intent to suppress the growing political power of the non light population. You have already done. Great harm to them. It's it's twenty twenty and you have zero credibility, and you should in my opinion resign. That is how Donald Trump's secretary of commerce Wilbur Ross was greeted today in the house oversight committee. It was we'll barrages turn today to discover how much has changed since voters decided to give Democrats control of the house of representatives last year. When Republicans controlled the house will barrages testified there that he added a question about citizenship to the next census because the Justice department asked him to do that. We have had a request as everyone is aware. From the department of Justice to add a citizenship question to the twenty twenty senses. We are responding solely to the department of Justice's request. Since that testimony in the discovery process of a lawsuit. Emails have been revealed showing that Wilbur Ross staff had made repeated requests to the Justice department to send them a request for the change in the sentence. The census and a legal justification for that change. That lawsuit has also revealed that will we're us spoke to Steve Bannon and others in the White House about the change before receiving any communication from the Justice department. That's why you just heard congressman lacy clay telling Wilbur Ross you lied to congress in today's hearing Wilbur us discovered what it's like to go up against the freshmen in the house of representatives this time. It was Massachusetts congresswoman Ianna Presley's turn to force the commerce secretary into a corner where he was afraid to answer the question. On any of your calls with the attorney general. Did you ask the Torney general to send you a letter requesting? The addition of a citizenship question. Yes. Or no. Have said before the content of my conversations with the attorney general are confidential it may be confidential, but it's not privileged. So again, one more time. Could you disclose what was the nature of your phone, call with the attorney general if at any point you asked him to include the immigration question in the census citizenship question moves who's the same as what it gave you? Okay. After a Republican guardsmen said, the Thomas Jefferson believed there should be a question about citizenship in the census Wilbur Ross said this. A good admire of Thomas Jefferson. That's kind of thing. A cabinet secretary could say back when eighty one year old Wilbur Ross was in college. And there were no black women in the house of representatives. But now there are black women in the house of representatives and black men who know about Thomas Jefferson's treatment of Sally Hemmings. And who know exactly the way Thomas Jefferson believed, we should count human beings in this country. Mr Ross, you're aware. Also, the Thomas Jefferson believed that slaves should be counted as three fifths of person for population basis. So I'm not sure if Thomas Jefferson should be the litmus test for what we should be doing for counting census, those parents will Stacey Plaskitt of the Virgin Islands. We are joined now by one of the freshmen in the house of representatives who are changing the Trump administration is being held held accountable. Carswell Yana presently democrat from Massachusetts, a member of the oversight and reform committee. Thank you very much for joining us. Really? Appreciate having you here. Thank you for having me. So another six and a half hour hearing, a you get your shot, and you corner the secretary, and he claims he claims something that doesn't exist. He has. No right to say, none of them do that the that the communication was confidential. This administration seems to think there are there are rights that they don't have. Well, this is the day of reckoning under chairman Cummings. I mean under the previous. When the Democrats were not in the majority oversight and reform was giving this administration a pass and those days are over. You may just pause the present this hearing would never have occurred not occurred. If it's very if the Republicans were in control, so even if you'd been elected into the minority, you wouldn't have had any minutes with Wilbur Ross today. That's right. Dave reckoning, and in chairman Cummings us that it's the challenge in charge of us as members of the oversight where forum committee to be effective inefficient in pursuit of the truth. We certainly did attempt to do that today as a committee in the collective I do believe that we were stonewalled at every turn. And in fact, this was incredibly frustrating for six and a half hours when we could produce documents. And in fact, even video that showed that secretary Ross was in in contradiction with previous statements, and that's a very serious, Michael Michael Cohen perjured himself, and he's going to jail. So we don't take these these contradictions these obstructions on this stonewalling lightly by any stretch of the imagination and. During the you said, I cornered him. But during that that round of questioning he he said that my time was up, and I had to remind him that it was not that was not up to him that was up to the chair. I so I want to go to heaven on the house floor today. That's looks kind of extrordinary from held on the outside four hundred and twenty two nothing was the vote on the house floor saying that, of course, Robert mos- report should be released to congress and the public. We're you surprised that the were zero votes against that. No, I'm consider myself to be an eternal optimist here, and there are many things that we disagree on. But we collectively agree that the American people deserve to know the truth. And so that report should be made public. Again, there are indicators potentially obstruction of Justice of collusion. But we won't know if any of that is substantiated or or real until we receive this report and the American people deserve full transparency. I know when you were running in Massachusetts of gun legislation gun safety issues were important to your campaign, actually ran into you one summer day in the middle of your campaign in Massachusetts, you were behind in the polls, but you were confident you going to win and you did the ruling in the sandy hook case today. The court ruling saying that yes of the gun manufacturers can be sued for the way, they are both marketing, and and making these guns available to what turn out to be mass murderers that is a big breakthrough in this field. Absolutely. Speaking of the Massachusetts says seventh gun violence is an issue of consequence for our district and throughout the country. It is a I'm heartened inspire by the hundreds of family members that I've met who have suffered tragic loss and have become. Advocates in gun violence prevention to make sure the no other family knows that hurt in that AIG. This is the year it seems for accountability. And so I think it's an exciting precedence. We can't return those twenty-six souls, but I hope it puts these families on a pathway to peace and healing and to Justice, and it's an encouraging precedence. In the spirit of accountability. Actually when Wells Fargo was before the financial services committee. This is one of this was my line of questioning because unlike other banks, which have divested from gun manufacturers, and from the IRA a Wells Fargo continues to invest quite formidably, and we took him to task on that they should be held accountable for the contributing role that they are playing in this public health crisis and academic that has gun violence. Can you stay with us for one more question after a commercial break last year about this proposal you have about voting that Nancy Pelosi has now endorsed so we're gonna come right back with a personally right after this. I myself personally, speaking for my call 'cause I'm always been following the the boating age to sixty I think it's really important to capture kids when they're in high school when they're interested in all of this when they're learning about government to be able to vote she was talking about you. She was actually asked about your proposal to lower the voting age to sixteen. Now, you have speaker in your son. Yes, my very first amendment that I proposed for HR one we reported out of the rules committee, no easy feat. Four freshman shout out to the chairman Jim McGovern there. And and we did earn one hundred twenty six votes on the record in support of lowering the voting age and was very proud to have John Lewis enthusiastically cast a vote in the affirmative for that. And then to learn today that are speaker is supportive, and so we've advanced the debate and the conversation this is as many people we've been able to get on the record on the ish. Issue. And although we weren't able to get it included in HR one. We're going to continue to work on that. When when the voting age was lowered or use between one. I remember what it was lowered to eighteen. The argument was look if you can draft men at eighteen and send them off to be at Nantou die. They should have a right to vote. So it was a very very powerful moral argument to it. What's the argument now to push down to just say it, very appropriate that it was Senator Ted Kennedy actually proposed that so Massachusetts is still offering these sorts of amendments. And I'm proud to keep that history going, but you know, for me, the argument is that in two thousand and nineteen twenty sixteen year olds are dealing with two thousand and nineteen challenges hardships and threats, and we should show some two thousand nineteen courage this commiserate with what they're facing their leading on the existential threats to our very society gun violence prevention climate change in so many other issues, and they clearly already have a stake in this democracy. And they should also be able to cast a ballot on a personal. You are baking former congressional. Staffers. So proud because you're you're a former house staffer former Senate staffer and now you're in there asking the question. Thank you very much for the thank you. And when we come back the man in the glass house, Donald Trump ridiculed beta aerobics, hand gestures of all things an asked us to study bidding or hand gestures. We decided to study Donald Trump's hand gestures instead and that is next. Today from inside Donald Trump's glasshouse. He decided to throw this stone at Beto arrc. Act. Well, I think he's got a lot of hand movement. I've never seen so much hand movement. I said is he crazy or is that just the way he acts the flawlessly oblivious, Donald Trump, of course, ever since he started running for president people around the world have been asking is he crazy or is that just the way he acts. The president went on to ask that we study Beto aerobics hand movement. So I've never seen had movement. I watched him a little while this morning doing. I assume it was some kind of a news conference, and I've actually never seen anything quite like studying. I'm sure you'll agree. Okay. We'll studying. Single democrat running today, and I may not be able to numerate every single one of them right now. Would be far better than the current occupants of the White House. And now, let's study the man on the glass house who should never throw this stone. Hands and. I don't know what I said. I don't remember. Is he crazy? That's what most of the world wonders when they see Donald Trump, whether he's moving his hands are not also today. Donald Trump said what might be the most insulting thing ever said about Trump voters that they are violent criminals poised to commit treason. He didn't say it in exactly those words. So when we come back after this break, you be the judge of what Donald Trump meant. When listening to Donald Trump, you must never forget that he was the man who said Mexico will pay for the wall. Mexico will pay for war. Believe me. So much of what Donald Trump says is a variation on that a complete fantasy or an outright lie that he knows is untrue. And I believe that's what we're dealing with in a Breitbart interview yesterday, where the president said something that many people have now interpreted as threatening a coup of foreshadowing that he will not leave office if he is impeached or defeated in his reelection campaign. The president said I can tell you I have the support of the police the support of the military the support of the bikers for Trump. I have the tough people, but they don't play it tough until they go to a certain point. And then it would be very bad, very bad. Now, I don't actually believe that the president was threatening a coup or an armed insurrection of some kind in support of Trump as president for life. I believe that was gibberish from the man who said Mexico will pay for the wall. And I think the full context of his comments actually clarify. That he went on to say the left plays it cuter and tougher like with all the nonsense that they do in congress. So he's actually saying Nancy Pelosi is tougher than bikers for Trump, which is probably true bikers, actually, aren't what they used to be you walk in or Harley Davidson dealer tomorrow. And you're looking at prices that are the cost of a car up to forty five thousand dollars and Harley stopped being tough guy transportation decades ago. There's a lot of dentists out there now on their Harleys every weekend. So let's all relax about bikers for Trump, and let's relax about the seven hundred and fifty thousand police officers in America who Donald Trump wrongly believes all support him. They have never unwholesome their guns because of a presidential election result. And they never will they have families. They have children they have future they have comfortable retirement benefits coming to them if they put in enough years of service. In other words, there regular Americans will the reliable paycheck and their lives are pretty good. And even if the majority of them support. Trump that leaves at least three hundred thousand cops in America who do not support Donald Trump American police officers are not going to start shooting at each other over Donald Trump, and let's relax about the one point two million people in the American military. They're not going to suddenly start rolling tanks down Pennsylvania Avenue because of an election result. They are professional. They are due to full. They are not going to make war on Americans or each other for Donald Trump. Remember, even if the majority of the military support Trump that leaves hundreds of thousands of military personnel who don't support Trump. It feels ridiculous to even have to say any of this out loud. But Donald Trump has pushed the country to this place to this level of suspicion about what he wants. And I'm sure Donald Trump would like to have the police in the military and bikers for Trump take up arms. If he loses an. Election, but they won't they won't because they are better people than Donald Trump wants them to be they are not violent criminals ready to commit treason and murder for Donald Trump. There are not millions of people in America ready to grab their guns and go to war against Americans for Donald Trump. President Trump's rhetoric has given aid and comfort to hateful murderers in this country on August, twelve two thousand seventeen a white supremacist. Drove his car into a crowd of opponents of white supremacists. And deliberately murdered Heather higher. That was soul crushing for the country to witness, but it was not contagious. None of the other Trump supporting white supremacists. Who shared the feelings of that murderous driver murdered anyone else in Charlottesville on October twenty seventh twenty eighteen a heavily armed anti Semite. Who believes Donald Trump's rhetoric about an invasion on our southern border. And specifically blamed Jews for the invasion. Donald Trump said was taking over this country entered the tree of life synagogue in Pittsburgh and murdered eleven people. Donald Trump's rhetoric helped drive those murders. So he is already guilty of inciting murderous violence in America. And we will probably see more of that kind of violence in the age of Trump another synagogue, another group of protesters against white supremacy. A reporter Donald Trump calls an. Enemy of the people. We don't know. But that that is worth worrying about not the next presidential transition of power. Let's not help Donald Trump fan. His imaginary. Flames. That's tonight's last word. Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSN BC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented. Era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe.
A flailing auto industry? Not in Kansas (City) anymore
"This marketplace podcast is brought to you by Sino an enterprise e signature solution create custom workflows and get documents like signed from any device, save thousands of dollars on paperwork closed deals up to four times faster and enjoy seamless integration. With the cloud platforms. You already use? Visit sign now dot com slash marketplace. And get a free thirty day trial. The US and China are miles apart from deal, according to commerce secretary Wilbur Ross in New York, I'm Sabrina short infra David Brancaccio. Who's on assignment the US China are in the middle of a ninety day trade truce as they work on a possibly on very ambitious deal. An agreement in such a short period of time would be a heavy lift given all the wide disagreements over intellectual property government subsidies commerce secretary Wilbur Ross said as much when he told CNBC this morning that the US and China work, quote, miles apart on a deal and yet markets were spooked futures. Immediately dropped we've got Diane Swonk with us to help us out with this. She's chief economist at tax advisory firm. Green thornton. Hi, don. Good morning. Why were market so disappointed by this comment by the secretary? It's really a reality. Check markets had been artificially buoyant and sanguine about what was going on between the US and China, and we had heard mixed messages coming out from the administration. You just can't close the gap. Gap between here, and what the US wants China to be in what China wants itself to be in the future over twenty years of disagreements, and if you months time, and so further complicating things, I think also that markets weren't really understanding is the government shutdown means it all the details of trade negotiations can't be written because the US trade office is also shutdown. Why we're markets hopes up in the first place. You know, that really is an interesting issue is that how much algorithms are. Now. Playing on words, you really saw the markets rallied on the idea that China US trade talks were persisting, are you seeing that algorithms actually scan like news articles or reports for key words and then make trading decisions based on them. Absolutely. You've literally got algorithms at scan the words and make a trade chief economist attacks in advisory firm grant, Thornton good to talk to you you to the growing competition for talent in a tight labor market has pushed companies to. Spanned into places one might not immediately expect the Milken institute released. Its annual report ranking the nation's best performing cities looking exactly where job growth is happening in the US from K UT in Austin, marketplaces and dealer has more number three on the list is Austin, Texas. Dell's here and apples adding other five thousand jobs soon number to San Jose close to Silicon Valley in a little cheaper than San Francisco. Number one Provo Utah. Drove a really good story. Kevin cloud in is with the Milken institute, which put out the study. He says provost model is heck spin off and life science jobs that are looking to be a lower cost location in a place where there's a lot of support from the local universities, the milk and rating system is based on job creation. Wage gains. Also wear techjobs end up. Jed CoCo is TV conham is to the job site. Indeed dot com, Tech Trends tend to be a specially visible. Remember Amazon's HQ to competition. City officials certainly do. But CoCo says there's a bunch of reasons companies set up shop where they do cost and availability of workers infrastructure in the area and cost of living not to mention tax incentives from cities and states in Austin, Texas. I'm eighty Euler for marketplace. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by with Sabi. Hot cloud storage. If your company's thinking about moving data storage to the cloud, check out the company. That's rethinking cloud storage with Sabi is less expensive than just the maintenance on your current on premises storage. Plus, it's eighty percent cheaper and six times faster than Amazon S three with no egress fees. Experience. It for yourself with free unlimited storage for a month. Go to Assab dot com. Click free trial and use the offer code was ambi-. Ford and GM have recently announced plans to restructure, cutting jobs and closing plants and electric carmaker. Tesla announced thous of job layoffs last week to cut costs where there are places where the US automotive industry is doing pretty well, one of those places is the Kansas City region, which has to thriving plants marketplace hub reporter, Casey you ours. Peggy low explains. On the production line at nap. Hide for brand. New transit cargo vans lineup for some finishing touches. They were delivered from the Ford plant a few miles away lines. Sibley line starts at this back door and run all the way down is now pieds general manager workers are doing what's called up fitting, which means they're outfitting new, vans and pickup trucks with shelving. Reflective decals anything the consumer wants Muller says their specialty is a work ready mobile office. So right here is a supervisor struck for a job site. He's got his essentials. GPS? Strobe lights toolbox. Ladder AC series two plants here. One Ford the other GM have attracted other companies in jobs. The economic impact is about twelve billion dollars. According to the Kansas City area, economic Development Council, and that's just another reason cities want auto plants Mark Wakefield a Detroit analyst with Alex partners, a global consulting company says plants create an instant ecosystem of businesses if you can get that. Car plant to go in and actually hopefully pickup truck plant tour SUV plan that's a one time shot, and then you get all of this surrounding multiplier effects. But notice that Wakefield says it all depends on what kind of vehicle is being made Ford makes the f one fifty here the best-selling pickup in the US in also makes the transit in Kansas City. That's a cargo van introduced in the US in twenty thirteen sales grew last year more than eight percent. Seventeen of the companies connected to the plants key drivers of Kansas City's automotive industry. Are located underground literally. This is subtropical ass-. Michael bell is a VP with hunt. Midwest the company that owns subtropical is it's a huge industrial park. Carved into the bluffs along the Missouri. River filling up space left over from limestone mining bell says of the fifty five companies operating underground fastest growing industries over the past five years has been autumn motive, but it's not a good news here. Sales of sedans are on the skids GM makes Chevy Malibu in Kansas City, and those sales are down. Now GM is looking to the Cadillac XT four which it began building here last year in Kansas City. I'm Peggy low for marketplace. An in New York, I'm Sabrina short with the marketplace morning report. For P m American public media. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by the United States postal service. Every day. We talk about how innovative companies are reinventing the way business happens. But none of that's possible without the right people to enable it people who get packages to over one hundred and fifty million delivery points affordably and on time with the latest technology and expertise. So who can help you deliver the future of commerce, the United States postal service? See why they deliver more ecommerce packages to homes than anyone in the country at USPS dot com slash future.
NPR News: 06-15-2019 1AM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Nora raum. Acting Defense Secretary. Patrick Shanahan says the US needs to build an international consensus to respond to attacks against commercial ships from a number of different countries. We have the big push in the last twenty four hours to continue to get information out continued, share intelligence. You'll continue to see us work to do that, as part of building the international consensus, the UK government says it agrees with the US conclusion that Iran attacked two oil tankers Thursday in the Gulf of Oman. The European Union says it still gathering in assessing information, Tehran, denies any involvement and accuses the Trump administration of waging what it calls, and Iran phobic campaign, a large coalition of companies and trade groups in retail tech and manufacturing is calling on President Trump to end the trade war with China and removed tariffs on Chinese products. NPR. Alina Seljuk reports the company say, an escalating trade war is not in the country's interest more than six hundred companies and trade associations came together for this letter including numerous manufacturing groups, makers of shoes toys and appliances, and big retailers, such as WalMart target, five below Costco, J, crew, gap, and Levi, Strauss. They say that they support the presence of hurts to hold China accountable as a trading partner, but that broad tariffs are not an effective tool for that Trump has threatened to expand tariffs virtually all imports from China. The company's ride that it's American firms that ended up paying these taxes and that additional terrorist will have a quote significant negative and long term impact on American businesses. Farmers families in the US economy, Alina sell, you NPR news. Walmart and target are financial supporters of NPR on another trade front. Secretary of commerce Wilbur Ross is promoting. President Trump's NAFTA, replacement the United States Mexico, Canada agreement as Nick, you'll more with member station. W. DT f- reports Ross brought that message to Roanoke, Virginia. Friday, Ross is pushing the new US Mexico trade agreement as a necessary replacement of NAFTA and a meeting with local business leaders, the secretary said the country saw an annual trade surplus of around five billion dollars with Mexico before NAFTA since that agreement went into effect, raw says the US experienced a one trillion dollar deficit in goods traded to that country, he says that can't continue to happen that a man type Mexican, I don't blame them. They took advantage of a poorly drafted agreement in the used it for their advantage, where now starting to reverse that with the US MCA raw spoke privately with about fifteen business leaders after providing public remarks, the measure, still requires congressional approval for NPR news. I'm Nick Gilmore in Roanoke. The Commerce Department reported Friday retail sales rose five tenths of one percent last month sales of now, increase three months in a row. This is NPR. Workers at Volkswagen's plant in Chattanooga. Tennessee voted Friday, not to unionize the vote was eight hundred thirty three to seven hundred seventy six against representation. This is a setback for the United Auto Workers union which has been attempting to unionize a foreign automakers plant in the traditionally, anti-union self, the food and Drug administration says one patient has died of an infection after receiving a fecal transplant as NPR's Richard Harris reports the agency is pausing. Some clinical trials involving this unproven treatment fecal transplants are used experimentally to combat a serious, gut infection called CD physial. The idea is to help reestablish. Healthy bacteria in the intestines. But the FDA says, in two cases, the implanted material contained dangerous drug resistant E coli bacteria from the same donor. One of those recipients died. This treatment is not if d approved, but the agency oversees experiments using this technique. Take the agency is temporarily. Halting some of the clinical trials involving this procedure and urging doctors to make sure they have properly tested, the material the use and inform patients of the risk of this increasingly popular procedure. Richard Harris, NPR news. A federal judge in Cleveland is considering a proposal that would allow all twenty-five thousand municipal and county governments in the US to be part of a potential settlement with drug companies over the marketing of opioids lawyers representing hundreds of municipalities are suing drug companies saying they contributed to the crisis. They're asking the judge to allow all government entities to join in negotiations for one large settlement. I'm Nora raum. NPR news.
AP Headline News Jan 15 2019 15:00 (EST)
"I'm Jay Farner, CEO of Quicken Loans, America's premier home purchase lender. Today's fluctuating interest rates can leave you with unexpected higher mortgage payments at Quicken Loans. We've created a new way to protect you from unpredictable interest rates. So you can buy a home with certainty. It's called rate shield, and here's how it works with rate shield. You can lock your interest rate while you shop for a new home. So if rates go up, you don't have to worry. And here's the best part. If rates go down you get the lower rate with rate shield, we really have you covered. Here are more reasons why you wanna work with America's largest mortgage lender for nine years in a row now Jd power has ranked Quicken Loans highest in the nation in customer satisfaction for primary mortgage origination. And for the fifth year in a row, they've also ranked us highest in the nation for mortgage servicing rate shield, another way, we can save you money on your mortgage. Call us today at eight hundred quicken or go to rocketmortgage dot com. Basin. Rocket mortgage data in comparison to public data records, Rachel approval only valid answering thirty or purchase transactions. Call for cost information and conditions. Equal housing lender. License in all fifty states MLS number thirty thirty additional conditions or exclusions may apply. Why AP radio news? I'm Ed Donahue, the British parliament has voted on Brexit is in the right to to the nose to the left four hundred thirty two a defeat for Prime Minister Theresa may. She's clear that the house does not support this deal. But tonight's vote tells us nothing about what it does support. The vote comes ten weeks before Britain is due to leave. The European Union may says parliament should hold a confidence vote to test support for her government. President Trump's choice to be the next attorney general is facing questions from senators about President Trump and the Russia investigation. Here's the AP. Saga megani? Rudd his Senate confirmation hearing William bar said things much different from the president's own views from the twenty sixteen election. I believe the Russians interfered or attempted to interfere to saying Jeff Sessions was right to recuse himself from special counsel Bob Muller's Russia probe bar repeatedly praised Muller saying. His good friend of thirty years is not running a witch hunt. While Democrats say they're worried about bars past criticism of the Muller investigation. And that he'll be a Trump loyalist bar said he will not permit interference with the pro and will be his own, man. I will not be bullied into doing anything. I think is wrong. Saga megani? Washington rank and file Democrats in the house decided to say no to an invitation for lunch at the White House with President Trump. He was looking to get around speaker Nancy Pelosi to get a deal on border security to end partial government shutdown. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell says Democrats priorities are out of wack things that they all supported in the past every prominent democrat, they now oppose Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer has a message for President Trump. You're not winning the fight you may be in your own untruth bubble. But you're not winning the fight this day twenty five of the partial shutdown. This is AP radio news. A federal judge in New York is barring the Commerce Department from adding a citizenship question to the twenty twenty census more from the AP's. Warren Levinson federal district judge Jesse Furman said it was not unconstitutional to put a citizenship question on the census form, but the commerce secretary Wilbur Ross broke the rules when he did he failed to give congress the legally required three years notice. The judge also found Ross's explanation for the change to be unsupported by and sometimes counter to the evidence submitted the lawsuit brought by eighteen states and fifteen cities contends the government is seeking to intimidate immigrants into avoiding being counted. The state of California has filed a separate suit and the supreme court will take up the issue next month. So judge firms ruling is unlikely to be the last word on the matter. Warren Levinson, New York US four services built its first corral for wild horses in northern California which could allow it to bypass federal restrictions and sell the animals for slaughter something the agency is denying. I'm Ed Donahue, AP radio news. Let's say you just bought a house bad news is you're one step closer to becoming your parents. You'll proudly mold along and skiff anybody noticed you mowed, the lawn till people to stay off the lawn compare it to your neighbor's lawn and complain about having to mow the lawn again, good news is it's easy to bundle home and auto through progressive and save on your car insurance. Which of course, we'll go right into the lawn. Progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and other insurers discount on in all stages situations.
NPR News: 11-01-2019 1PM ET
"Support for this podcast and the following message come from the University of Alabama through Bama the UA dot edu live from NPR news in Washington as NPR's Osma Hollywood reports it does not include a middle class tax increase includes a more beefed up tax billionaires a new financial transaction tax currently pay insurance companies to provide health care coverage to workers perhaps the recently answered it a small colored. NPR news is down to the wire in the race into below is intended to boost Republican Tate Reeves the state's current Lieutenant Governor because Republican Governor Phil Bryant is term limited that's NPR's Palm Beach Florida. He says he still loves New York but the state's elected officials not so much ship question on the two thousand twenty cents is the US Census Bureau finds that it might not have had being attitude the survey earlier this year the Census Bureau conducted a national experiment with scared off households with non-citizens from the census early analysis of the bureau's tests has wilbur Ross so approved adding the question to the census said in a statement that he found the news quote gratifying he Arnie's this is the last day for public comment from program could cause more than three million people to lose their benefits it easier for them to administer their safety net programs but the trump administration says a million children would no longer be automatically eligible for free school meals turn all the US economies coming off a month of slower than expected job in October the unemployment rate ticked up to three point six percent manufacturing action US stocks are trading higher in midday trading with the Dow up two hundred thirty seven points since.
The Question of Who Gets to Count in the Census Goes to the Supreme Court
"From the ACLU. This is at liberty. I'm Emerson Sykes a staff attorney here at the ACLU and your host. On April twenty third. The supreme court of the United States will hear a case called department of commerce versus New York the cases about whether or not a question about citizenship can be added to the twenty twenty cents questionnaire. The department of commerce which is responsible for carrying out. The census says it needs to collect citizen information, and that it has every right to decide what demographic questions go into the census as long as they are reasonable leaving the courts with limited ability to review, the government's action arguing the other side in this case is this week's guest Dale who is the director of the ACLU voting rights project and the first three time guests on that. Liberty Dale is litigated many important voting rights cases, all over the country. But this will be his first supreme court argument. We wanted to take the opportunity to speak with him about the case and about the process of preparing for oral argument in the supreme court, Dale hope. Thanks very much for joining us today, despite your very busy schedule. Welcome back to the podcast. Thanks for having me back. He's start by telling us briefly what? In this case is about what questions does the Courtney to decide and why is it important? So let me start with cases about it's about a pillar of our democracy. Article one section two clause three of the United States constitution requires a census of the entire population. Every ten years were supposed to count everyone in the country adults and children citizens and noncitizens whether you're a voter or non voter, and it is really foundational for our constitutional structure that count is the basis for everything that we do statistically as a country in government, and in business, it's how we apportion representation in congress in state legislatures and how we allocate nine hundred billion dollars in federal sons annually, and we do it only once every ten years. So if you screw it up, there's no way to fix it for a decade, what the government wants to do is at a question on citizenship to the census. And with the census bureau has recommended for decades is. That's a terrible idea because non-citizens and people who have non-citizens in their family, or I think understandably reluctant to share that information with the federal government notwithstanding. The fact that census responses are confidential and with the census bureau has said for decades is that if you ask this question it's gonna wreck the accuracy of the census the census bureau predicted that if you added this question in twenty twenty six and a half million people won't respond to the census. That's a lot of people. If you put them all together, they'd be our eighteenth largest state. It's more people than in the state of Missouri. And what's worse is that non-citizens aren't distributed evenly throughout the country clustered in particular places, and those states and communities will be at severe risk of an undercount and losing representation in congress and important federal resources, Texas, California, Florida, Illinois, Arizona, New York, all six of those states would lose a seat in the house of representatives. If this question were added, so it's difficult. Understate the importance of this case, and the severe consequences that would flow from adding this question to the census now what the court has to decide is whether or not there was a sufficient evidence basis in front of the administration for adding it that is whether or not there was evidence to support the administration's rationale the administration says they need this information to enforce the Voting Rights Act, which we all know is very high priority of this administration hasn't felt a single case under the Voting Rights Act in over two years. And yet they say they need to up end decades of practice, contrary to the consistent recommendations of a census bureau to enforce the statute that they have shown zero interest in enforcing it. Just doesn't make any sense if I can just jump in there. There's sort of two key questions here. It seems like on the one side. It's an argument around administrative procedure. Did they follow the proper procedure for adding the question to the census, and you have quite strong arguments that say, no. They didn't follow the proper procedure. And we can get into all the reasons that you think that's the case. But then there's also the substantive question about whether the census should actually have a citizenship question. So can you talk a little bit about the substance versus the process? Can you win on one in lose on the other? What does the court needs to do here? And what does it mean for you to win or lose? It's actually I think kind of difficult to disentangle the procedural and substantive questions here because the administration's procedures here, we're quite problematic. They overruled the unanimous opinion of the census bureau, they conceal the real reasons for wanting to add this question, they say, it's the Voting Rights Act. But clearly that's not something that interests this administration at all they clearly had some other agenda in mind, and we can talk about that they didn't test this question, which the census bureau typically requires before new question is added to the census because the is concerned about the accuracy of that count. Those are all problem. Terms, and those would be sufficient Basi's, those procedural violations for striking down the decision. It's difficult to disentangle the procedural questions from the substantive ones. The question we're worried is going to wreck the accuracy of the census the census bureau recommended not to do it. And the administration didn't allow the census spirit to conduct all the testing would normally conduct to build a strong record as possible for whether or not this question is one that makes sense. So yes, this case is about proper procedure. But it's difficult to disentangle those procedural and substantive questions, and he talked about the the Voting Rights Act excuse is not credible. And that you have evidence that there are all sorts of other reasons that they wanna ask the citizen ship question. Can you tell us what's the most damning evidence that you've found against the government? What really is behind? The addition of this citizenship question. Well, the secretary of commerce Wilbur Ross who oversees. The census he wrote in his decisional statement where he ordered the census bureau to add this question that his decision making process was initiated when he received a letter from the department of Justice in December of two thousand seventeen asking for the question to facilitate enforcement of the Voting Rights Act, that memorandum basically echoed testimony that secretary Ross had given in congress that he was responding soley to the department of Justice that he had not had any conversations with political actors in the White House about this. And we know once we got the Commerce Department's documents that all of that was false that in fact by may of two thousand seventeen seven months before the department of Justice ever sent a letter about the Voting Rights Act Wilbur Ross was already furious with his aides writing angry emails to them asking them, why they had not already added the citizenship question to the census the notion that this would be helpful for the Voting Rights Act appears on. Only a few pages out of thirteen thousand pages worth of documents that we got from the secretary of commerce, but what appears far more frequently is constant grousing from the secretary from his aides from political actors in the White House crisco Bach. Who was then the secretary of state of Kansas who Steve Bannon put in touch with commerce secretary Ross constant grousing, but non-citizens are included in the population count of the census, and that states and areas that have non-citizen populations are receiving credit for those populations in the apportionment of political representation. Not was the fact that the constitution was quite clear that representation in congress is apportioned to the states, according to their respective numbers of inhabitants with no regard to citizenship age voting status or anything like that. So we know that the secretary made is decision before the DOJ ever mentioned the Voting Rights Act. And we know that the issue that keeps cropping up frequently. In in the documents is not the Voting Rights Act, but instead an anti immigrant agenda. Well, you talk about the sort of alterior motives of the government and one other way that manifests itself is the very unusual path of this case has taken to the supreme court. Just people may know that for in general federal cases are tried and district courts which exist in every state, and then if there's an appeal they go up to the circuit court of appeals which exist around the country by region. And then if there's a further appeal that goes up to the supreme court to decide the question, but this case had a very different path to the supreme court. Can you just tell us a little bit about what was so unusual about the way that the case got there? Yeah. So we got to the supreme court on several occasions in this case before the trial was complete and the reason for that was the government's desperation to avoid a trial in this case. The government filed fourteen separate motions to stop this trial from. Happening. I've never had a case with more than one such motion means you're on the night track. But I think it speaks to not only a lack of confidence in what the evidence is. But a desperation to conceal what the Trump administration's religion was here, and they would follow these motions, they'd lose. They try to stop discovery. They try to stop us from getting documents stop a deposition from happening or stop the trial from happening altogether. And when they lose the take it up to the supreme court normally supreme court doesn't hear discovery disputes. The usually like to let those kinds of issues play out in lower courts. And then just take the case all up at once. But one point they actually were able to get the supreme court to bite we had an order from the trial court in this case to take a deposition of commerce secretary Ross based on some of the misrepresentations that I was describing earlier, you know, it's difficult to get a deposition of cabinet secretary. And for good reason, they're very busy people have lots of response. Abilities, and we normally presume that the heads of government agencies act in good faith here. However, there was very strong evidence that that is not what happened that there were significant regularities that there was bad faith. And that the only person who knew what really was motivating this decision was secretary Ross himself. We got an order from the court permitting his deposition and then about forty eight hours before the position was to occur. The supreme court stayed that order and deposition just briefly in-person interview with someone you think might have additional information on the case, right? And it's on the record. And it's under penalty of perjury. So the case I went up on this question about whether or not you could have access to a senior cabinet official. That's right. But something very strange happened as they were considering this preliminary question, they allowed the lower court trial to continue. Right. So in some sense, you were trying this case in multiple courts at the same time. And eventually the district court as I said issued an. Extremely lengthy opinion very strongly finding in your favor. So then you were already at the supreme court about this question about Wilbur Ross, and whether you could interview him and in the meantime, you won in the lower court. So now is it accurate to say that now the court has to decide not just the question of Wilbur Ross, but also whether or not you properly one in the district court, whether or not we properly one of the district court, but also all of those discovery questions what kind of evidence was proper for the district court to consider the deposition of Wilbur Ross. I think at this point is moot because the trial has already happened. And as you mentioned, it's very unusual to be in multiple courts simultaneously on the same case. I think the reason for that was largely because of the timeframe that we're under the census questionnaire is supposed to be printed this summer normally if you had legal questions at an appellate court was interested in you might let the appellate court. Resolve those questions before proceeding with the trial. Normally, we might have been content. To let that happen. Because obviously if we had one, then maybe we could have taken secretary Ross's deposition use that evidence at trial, but we were under the gun. The census forms are supposed to be printed this summer. And I think we all agree that everyone is best served by getting resolution on this case sooner rather than later, I noticed in the brief advising the court on whether they should take the case, you basically wrote you shouldn't take this case you should leave the lower decision. But if you're going to take it take it now into quickly. That's right. Well, one of the reasons that we think that the government was so eager to stop this case, and this Pacific to get to the supreme court as that they probably think that they have a more sympathetic audience in this particular configuration of the supreme court. How does that figure into your calculations as you approach this argument? Clearly, they think that they have a better shot in the supreme court than they had in the district court. How are you approaching this? Are you tailoring your argument any particular Justice of justices can be unpredictable sometimes? So there's some risk to China. Oh, deep inside their heads. But I wonder how you're thinking about the individuals that are on the bench Kia. I mean to your first point the Trump administration has definitely acted as though it sees the supreme court as a more hospitable venue for its positions than lower courts are cases in the first case in which the administration's tried to leapfrog the normal appellate process, which is you have a trial or a trial court decision. You go to the federal courts of appeals circuit courts. These are the intermediate appellate courts that resolve most appeals in the federal system. Very few cases, go to the supreme court in case. After case the administration has sought to leapfrog that intermediate step and go straight to the supreme court because I think they've made a strategic calculation that they are more likely to prevail there than they are in the intermediate appellate courts you've seen this in the DACA, litigation in the transgender military ban and some other immigration related matters. We've generally opposed that we generally don't agree that there's a basis for. Deviating from normal federal appellate procedures here because of the urgency of getting resolution because of the printing date of of census forms. We didn't dispute that it was better to to go quickly as far as our strategy for the supreme court. There's a whole cottage industry of people who play psychologist trying to figure out the idiosyncrasies of the individual justices to try to tailor your arguments to them. And of course, we do a little bit of that in the way that we try to frame the case. But at the end of the day is case rises and falls on whether or not what secretary Ross said, which is that this is going to be more accurate census and give you more accurate citizenship information whether that is supported by the actual evidence from the census bureau, and it's analogous before. He made his decision and the answer to both those questions is no, it's unequivocal. You look at what the census bureau wrote Vate analyze this. They determined. It will not make more accurate census. And it'll. Give you worse citizenship data than you could get from the social security administration and the department of homeland security. So why are we even here why are even doing this? It seems like the basic reason that many immigrant households especially might not want to answer this question that would result in the undercount that you're so worried about is some vague concern about information security and data security in terms of the census information. I know that you said that it's required to be confidential. But if the government is collecting all of this house by house information, including citizenship wonders where that information is stored in. How securely that is done is that a major concern here. I think they're two separate concerns. There's privacy and confidentiality privacy means I don't wanna share my information with you. Because I wanted to be kept personal confidentiality is it's not so much about mine formation being shared with you. But what happens to it? Once it gets shared, and I think both concerns are at play here. I think some people just don't wanna give that information out. They consider it personal. And if. Asked they'd rather not participate in a survey at all. But then I do think there are concerns about confidentiality, and whether or not the responses that people give to the census will ultimately be used for other purposes. I want to be very clear that federal law protects the confidentiality of census responses, and if people are thinking about boycotting the census because of this question, that's not a productive response in our view that will cause the very undercount of immigrant communities and communities of color that this administration is trying to affects you, wait. And those communities will lose the very representation and resources that this administration wants to deprive them of all that being said people are worried about this. Right census responses were used during the Japanese internment during the nineteen forties to identify locate. And ultimately, incarcerate Japanese Americans. So on the one hand, I want to reassure people on the other hand, I'm very understanding of people's fears here. What do you suggest if the citizenship question is included on the census, what do you advise people to do you said they should still answer? Most of the question should they just refuse to answer that particular question? Do you have any advice on that we're going? I mean responses to the census generally in any questions on the questionnaire are required by law never advise people to break the law. We're not better off if the answer is on the census questionnaire or inaccurate in any way, people should answer the survey, they should answer the questions, truthfully and accurately and people need to get the word out because I think there's going to be a lot of concern in immigrant communities and communities of color about this question that you are letting them win by not answering the census interesting well wanna maybe which gears a little bit and talk about the process of preparing for oral argument get behind the scenes a little bit or argument is quite short a handful of minutes, but from others I've talked to who. Who've organ the supreme court. The preparation is extremely extensive. Can you just take us through a little bit of the process of preparing what have you done so far? What do you have a head of you? Normally, you would file your brief in you have a few months to prepare for the argument this cases on an expedited timeframe, and our brief was due twenty two days before the argument. I thought I'm counting. So the preparation process has been a little truncated. I'm obviously carefully reading all of the briefs that have been filed in the case, not just hours and the governments. But the dozens of ecus briefs that have been filed the cases that have been cited by all the parties and going through an extensive what we call moot court process mock or arguments that can go about two hours at a time more extensive series of moods than I've ever been through how many moons are you doing five well each about two hours, ten hours of being in the hot seat grueling and in this process of reviewing all of. These documents in doing all of these moods. Have you learned anything new about the case or even about yourself as a lawyer? Yeah. I mean, it's interesting little things jump out at you staring at the same documents for the tenth time. Little phrases little words little details. Kind of jump out at you that I hope will make the answers that I give a little more rich. So I have learned even more about the case. I you pretty much all there was to know about it when we did our brief. But even since then in the last week, I learned a few things that I wish I learned before the briefly with such as life. Yeah. Learning a few things about myself one thing that I do need to turn it off sometimes and let my brain rest. It's a marathon not a sprint and a more of a sprinter by nature. So it's learning to pace myself. And that I need to pace myself is something that morning little bit. The other day of plan doing yoga in the morning, special breakfast, your suit and tie picked out. You know, my last oral argument was in the US court of appeals for the tenth circuit last month that long ago, I was doing this for a completely different case the day before the argument, I went on nine mile run and just reread the briefs, and I learned about a technique that apparently chief Justice Roberts used when he was a lawyer which was that he would write out what he thought were the five or six most important points in his case individually on note cards, and then shuffle them, right? So that he could learn to present. His case in any order and make transitions between any of his major points. Just on the fly come up with sags from one point to another even if it didn't necessarily follow the most logical order because you don't know what order the questions are going to come at you. So I did that for about ninety minutes the day before the argument, and then again for about thirty minutes of the morning of last time and actually found that very, very helpful. That sounds like a good technique for practicing being a podcast toast. Take that one. Maybe well since you're like, you're funny jokes or lines on a date or something. Six funny things. I I've been married for ten years. So it's been a long time since I really no cuts maybe on your phone or something like that. Yeah. Something like that. Maybe an app well since you're a colleague in our offices are almost next to each other. And you're deep in supreme court prep mode. I thought I'd end with question that's a little tougher than normal. So what's the question that you least want the justices to ask you? That's a hard one. Because there are a number of questions that I found challenging in some of our moods. I think you know, there's no rational reason for this question. Right. We know it's going to make the census count worse when they say we need citizenship information to enforce the Voting Rights Act. But we know there's better way to get citizenship. Information can be more accurate less expensive and questions just gonna make for more. Inaccurate data. And yet they're still desperate to do it. Right. So what is that? Right. I think there's this kind of irrational desire to just put this question on the census to sort of express this notion that there are citizens who are real Americans here and there's everyone else, right? And we want to put that on this once in a decade document that is enshrined as a pillar of our constitutional structure in the text of the constitution itself. And at the end of the day. I think that's what this case is about for the other side. And it would not surprise me. If I get questions that aren't about the law aren't about the evidence, but rather are expressions of that sort of sub rational desire to have this question on the census, and I'll do my best to keep. The discussion about the law and the facts, but I do think it may be difficult to escape the politics of this and to someone with that kind of political world view. I don't know what to say of embeds not the kind of country that I wanna live in. Well, it's always nice when you have the law and the facts on your side. So hopefully, you can go sheet the politics and just wrap up. What are you most looking forward to after April twenty third? Dinner with my wife. Wonderful can't think of a better way to finish. Thank you very much. They'll reprise coming back to speak with us. Thanks for having me. Thanks very much for listening. We hope you enjoyed this conversation. If you like this episode, be sure to subscribe to at liberty wherever you get your podcasts and rate and review the show. We appreciate your feedback till next week piece.
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How to Break the Census
"The. Okay. So Honey you've been covering the twenty cents for how long now two years full-time. You said you stay on the twenty twenty census. I think everyone should stand. The twenty twenty cents is. Hunslet long a reporter for NPR. These are numbers that are going to affect everyone's lives in the US for the next ten years this determines how many congressional seats toll college votes. Each day gets if that's too wonky for you. This is about how money federal tax dollars are distributed to local communities for schools for roads for Medicare for Medicaid name. A public service it's likely funding for it is likely guided by census numbers, and so this is a really important data set that really sets up the reality that all of us have to live under in the US until twenty thirty. This week. The census went to the supreme court, not meant Honda did to lawyers were arguing over just seven words that the commerce secretary Wilbur Ross wants to add to the questionnaire is this person a citizen of the United States. This has been kind of a nightmare scenario citizenship question being added to the twenty twenty cents is a lot of folks within the census watcher community have been very very concerned because this is long known to be a very sensitive question and question that some groups have advocated for to put onto the senses. And the census bureau has always shied away from doing it and try to make a case to say this would harm the accuracy of this headcount today at the rim court how big of a deal is this hearing. This is a very big deal. Today. Honsi long is here to get all of us to pay a little more attention to the census this one day of arguments. The supreme court implications for years to come. I'm Mary Harris. You're listening to one next stay with us. 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Gobbled dot com slash what next. So the Trump administration has been fighting over the census question for more than a year. Now Honda's keeping his eye on cases in New York, California, Maryland oral arguments supreme court Tuesday and hunting was right there. Craning his neck trying to see what was going on. This was only my first day at the supreme court. But all the other reporters were telling me, usually there are not that many reporters waiting in the pressroom lining up trying to get a seat inside the court room. I was in the overflow section in this kind of hallway. So a full house because this has major implications. What the supreme court Desai's about the fate of this citizenship question. Whether or not is stays on the census as a Trump administration has added or it is removed. That decision will have major implications on the twenty twenty senses and census bureau research says if it is included it is likely to discourage households with non-citizens, and then gluts some citizens from participating the census. Let's give a quick. Refresher for folks who don't remember exactly what the controversy is here. So this started when back in twenty seventeen is that right? This became public at the end of twenty seventeen in December. When propublica published a copy of a Justice department letter to the census bureau that formerly requested a citizenship question to be added to the twenty twenty senses. The Justice department said in this letter that it wanted a citizenship question in order to use responses from it to better enforce part of the Voting Rights Act a section to the Voting Rights Act, which has provision prevent discrimination against racial language minorities in order to enforce that part of the law. The federal government needs to have citizenship data, and the fact is the government has citizenship. Data collects it from what's known as the American community survey. It's another census bureau survey, it only collected from a sample of households rather than trying to reach every household in country like the census does, but that has been the way the Voting Rights Act section two Voting Rights Act has been enforced. Every since the Voting Rights Act was passed in nineteen sixty five. And so when this letter became public and rumors of a citizenship question being added by the Trump administration, those rumors became real in terms of actual formal request to the census bureau, there are a lot of concerns. And also a lot of skepticism and and bewilderment within the voting rights community. Lots of attorneys who bring voting rights cases. They don't see a data problem. They don't see a need for more detailed citizenship. Data collected from every household in the country through a citizenship question. But this is what the Trump administration has said at the beginning publicly. Why wanted to add this question on the twenty twenty census? Can I ask you a question? This letter from the department of Justice was it truthful. Three federal judges have ruled that the reasoning explained this letter the Voting Rights Act us as justification for adding this citizenship question to the twenty twenty senses. They've basically said that was a sham justification that's wording that a federal judge in New York US district judge Jesse Furman us in his opinion. Other judges used different ways of basically saying the Voting Rights Act is not the real reason why the Trump administration wants to add this question on twenty twenty cents is based on the internal emails memos and testimony of the Trump administration that they provided as part of multiple lawsuits over this question. So you've looked at some of these emails from Wilbur Ross in particular, what do they say about the actual motivations here? And what the actual time line was to request this question. Get added. Well, we learned through these documents through these lawsuits that commerce secretary Wilbur Ross who over. Seizes census bureau apparently had this idea to add a citizenship question shortly after he was confirmed as commerce secretary. So this is early in the Trump administration. This is in early twenty seventeen and he said that that idea preceded him that there were other senior Trump administration officials who raised this idea of adding a citizens of question to the twenty twenty senses. And soon after he took over the Commerce Department, there are emails a trail of emails showing that there is this thread, this interest that he has asking questions of staff and emails coming in from former Kansas sectors. Stay Chris co Bach. Former vice share President Trump's now defunct voter fraud commission, the fem- that ties through this communication is apportionment really wonky term about how congressional seats are divided up among the states after each census the number of congressional seats. Each day gets is determined by the population count from the census that process. Known as apportionment specifically the question will Ross head at one point early in his time at the Commerce Department was whether or not unauthorized immigrants are included in the census numbers us four portion mint the answer to that is yes census bureau has long included unauthorized immigrants in the appointment count for the census that the constitution requires a count of every person living in the country. It does not specify citizens. So regardless of citizenship status Gration status. It all depends on if you're considered living in the country and the census bureau considers unauthorized immigrants living in the country. And so they are included. But this was a concern. A problem is what Chris Kobe called it in an Email to Wilbur Ross. Chris Bach is known for having all sorts of voting rights shenanigans and his background. Yes. This is definitely part of his portfolio of interests. And he said that he wanted to add a citizenship question that. Went a little bit further than what the Trump administration has added. It seems to me just looking at who was talking to who it's clear what the motivation is. And the fact that they were talking about apportionment because crisco back Chris Quebec is known for trying to restrict who can vote. And why? And so the fact that he's involved in these conversations, and the fact that they're talking about abortion meant makes the motivations seem really really clear, but the Trump administration has argued that this question about citizenship has been in the census for a long time. Like since the eighteen hundreds is that true. The census has a very complicated history. And to the statement abroad, general statements like that really obscures how complicated it really is. I've looked back at the census forms the first time the census bureau asked about a question about citizenship status was back in eighteen twenty. And since then, it's sometimes come off the senses, come on, the census, the wording has changed. Sometimes only folks born outside the US were asked about whether or not they were citizens, whether they were naturalized citizens sometimes every household was asked about citizenship. Sometimes it was only a sample of households was asked about citizenship. So it's a very complicated history. The Trump administration is trying to make this argument that it's not so unusual basically their argument that to ask about citizenship. Wh- what is concerning amongst former census bureau directors who've spoken out against the citizenship question that the Trump administration wants to add for twenty twenty is that there is research showing that this is particularly. Sensitive question in this current political climate and that asking this question risks, some people in the country not participating in the census. Secondly, the census bureau has recommended that if the Trump administration does indeed want more detailed citizenship data to better enforce Voting Rights Act than the way to do that is not to add a citizenship question. The way to do that is to compile existing government records from other federal agencies such as department of homeland security State Department social security administration, and that those records compiled together would be more accurate less expensive than adding a citizenship question. What's unusual? This is according to the census bureau officials is that when the census bureau brought up this alternative way of producing more accurate and less expensive citizenship. Data the Trump administration. Specifically the Justice department says. Said it did not want to meet with the census bureau about that alternative. And in fact, a whole bunch of former census bureau directors have come out against this question. Right six in fact. Yes, seems like a lot it is a lot and they have served under both democrat again Republican administrations. And then you have these rulings in New York, and California and the ruins are direct. One of the judges says that this is a veritable smorgasbord of classic violations of something called the APA the administrative procedure act. So what are what is that judge arguing the Trump administration did wrong here? This is US district judge Jesse Furman in New York. He was the first judge to issue ruling and carried out a courtroom trial. He's essentially arguing that commerce secretary will Ross who oversees the census bureau misused his authority over the census, congress has delegated a lot of decisions about the census to the. For secretary to kind of be the final decider and judge firmness found as well as judges in California as well as Maryland that how this question was added to the twenty twenty cents is violated a variety of procedures that there is a process for adding a new question to the twenty twenty senses one of which is to do extensive testing before adding a new question to a census form because a census form like any survey is very sensitive delicate tool just tweak in a word in the ordering of a question. What can be seen as a very small change could have an outsize effect on how people respond to a census and this citizenship. Question has not been tested on a twenty twenty cents is for is that rare. Yes. Yeah. So today, you've watched these cases move through the Justice system. You're at the supreme court. Set the scene a little bit. What was it like this morning? The arguments starts and immediately almost immediately Justice Sonia Sotomayor your starts peppering. The Trump administration's attorney US solicitor general with questions and essentially criticizing his arguments for why the Trump ministration wanted to add this question, and it's just a vacation for the question. Eventually, you you got a sense that the justices based on their comments base from their questions really walked in. It seemed like with their minds made up on where they stand on this question of whether or not the twenty twenty cents is can include a citizenship question. You've covered this story for such a long time. I'm sure you've talked to folks on every side of this issue. So when it kind of became clear, how the justices were feeling about this issue. Did you reach out to immigrant rights groups? Did you reach out to some of your sources you've been talking to? Over the last bit of time. Like, I wonder if they're starting to think like, okay, if in June, we learned there will be a citizenship question. What do we do? I think those are conversations that are happening right now. There are a lot of balls in the her right now, there are a lot of other factors about the senses that sensors watchers are concerned about in addition to the citizenship question. There's no questions about whether or not the census bureau, we'll get enough funding, and it will certainly need more funding to hire more workers, maybe and maybe to change his advertising campaign if there is a citizenship question those are looming questions for the census bureau. That's why they're doing a field. Test of a twenty twenty cents is formed for the first time with citizenship question starting in June with about a half million households. They're trying to figure out exactly how do households. How would they respond to a twenty twenty cents way to citizenship question? I wonder if this ends up impacting the census in some way, like I could see activists here saying everyone should answer. I'm not a citizen because that's a way to kind of express. How you feel about this? And I wonder if something like that happens if people don't respond, what would happen, then the worst case scenario is that the census bureau would feel could not responsibly release data that it feels is at all Representative of the country's population. Because it is so because the data so unreliable because people are giving an accurate information or not enough people are participating, and maybe they've tried really hard. Even if you know, you don't self respond yourself in participate yourself that even they sent out all these workers go knocking on your door and play all the television ads and have community events to encourage you to participate in the census. But ultimately. They don't have enough people participating. That's the worst case scenario that they just don't have enough data reliable data in order to put out numbers about various demographic topics in addition to the nation count. Hans thank you so much for putting this in perspective. You're welcome. Honsi long is a correspondent for NPR's national desk. All right. That's the show. What next is hosted by me, Mary Harris and produced by Mary Wilson Jason billion and Anna Martin de like the show love it just like a little bit leave us a rating or view on apple podcasts. It helps other people find us, and we love it when they do that. Okay. Thanks for listening talk to you tomorrow.