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Alone In A Room with Asking Alexandria
"The Jericho network on Westwood One. Tall tall recall. Ricco. All right. Welcome to talk Jericho. It is the bottom thunder, rock and roll. I guess what Danny war stop is back in axiom, Sandra, and he's here today along with Ben, Bruce, and we're gonna find out how it all happened with these two guys really funny as being funny. We got a funny joke of the week from a resident phone in up guy rock and Roll Hall of Famer Duff occasion from guns and roses. Chris Jericho supplicating him. Yeah, that'd be doing well, you know, just watching all these referendums on. We passed by say, we don't smoke we, but a friend of mine used to page out of my agenda notebook, Drollas joint. He's now hot on my list of priorities. Now, that's a good one. I really enjoyed that one extra claps for making us laugh today and almost every Friday on talk is Jericho, but he does call a joke every Friday. So he is once again. He's never missed a week. We appreciate that. And even if we don't appreciate all the jokes also free. She and the fact that goes roses still on tour and the guys are headed back on the road in November, going overseas, hitting the Philippines, Jakarta, Taiwan Hong Kong, and Abu Dhabi and asking Alexandria or hitting the bond sectors wellness arena. Tonight in Greenville, South Carolina and falls is going to be in Greenville tomorrow night, the blind tiger more on that in a minute, but asking Alexandria on the road in support of their new album alone in a room which Danny and guitar player members us all about coming up here. Danny and Benno talking about drunken debauchery that led to Danny leaving the band, how ended up coming back. Plus they got a couple of stories about guns and roses themselves when they opened for the back of and eleven. They also jammed with Steven Adler got stood up by Sebastian Bach. Then there was a. That Danny had to leave the stage the middle of a song. So we wouldn't shit his pants on stage. That's exactly right. Crazy stuff and some serious stuff for the state of the music industry and streaming. And if you haven't checked out the new album, you need to, you'll need to see them live asking Alexandria dot com, has all the info to do both of that, and they're not the only ones rock of the east coast this week. And like I said, Fosse in Greenville, South Carolina, the firmament tomorrow night. And we're in Huntington West Virginia tonight. Friday planet fest at the riverfront park. The Judas rising tour is winding down. Still few dates left for Adelaide is way disturbance. Don't broken Greensboro, North Carolina, the blind tiger like on the twenty. Fifth, twenty six is Jacksonville, Florida and Mavericks live. That's on Wednesday, Thursday lake Buenavista at the house of blues in Orlando, a Friday, Tampa at the orpheum hometown show for me, and I saw Saturday Fort Lauderdale at the culture room on the twenty ninth. Plus we're doing the rock allegiance festival in Camden, New Jersey on October six. We also head over to Australia and New Zealand Auckland at the studio on the seventh. November November ninth, which is my birthday Melbourne at max watts, November tenth Sydney, at the manning bar, November thirteenth Adelaide at the governor fourteenth Brisbane at the triffid. And then we're going out with three days grace for the opening days of their Canadian tour, which is Moncton on the twenty-first. How facts on the twenty third, Quebec City and the twenty fourth, Montreal, the twenty. Fifth and we do a headlining shows of our own twenty six arm prior twenty-seven is zero twenty eight is Toronto. Thirtieth Thunder Bay December. I in Winnipeg second in Regina. Third in in and the last show of the Judas rising tour December fourth in Calgary, Alberta come check us out. Look at Fosse rock dot com for all to get info and all information on our award winning VIP program will play mini concept for you. We hang out, we meet you agree it. Would you everything you want to do a great time, fuzzy rock dot com for all ticket information. And now for more information on Danny and Ben here we are asking Alexandria questions right here on talk is Jared. Very. Very unorganized here on talk is Jericho, but we're excited because we have been and turning Danny from asking Alexandria. Yes, right. So it's exciting because we're in the back lounge here where those bed and the Ben extra since we should do this all in the bed. I would love that I, we can leave this recording, but how about we put the mic down. How about we put on Mike's inside. Well, since this Audie we could all be embedded. No, whatever, no anyways, and you know what? We're going to take a picture afterwards and we'll do all three of us or not. Executor with a tasha. Maybe the bottoms. But here we are in Phoenix in both you guys live here in Phoenix, and why do you live in Phoenix all the way from England will Ben Ben has his wife here, and then these kids here the half hour zone Jons offing I, neither of those things. So I just follow wherever they go. Yeah, he's got my family. He's, I've got a quite spacious cupboard onto my stay. He sees the guy under the stairs his very little Harry Potter once in a while, someone comes over here. Yeah. How was it for in Phoenix? So first and foremost is lots of sun, which is different from England. Yeah. I mean, we just did eight weeks of torn. I think that was a period of like three and a half weeks while we hadn't seen the sun getting by Charles zoning. Amazing, Minnesota. In January February, you've done it. One white of snow just it was negative eighteen. That's such a like in Canada. It's always minus eight, but if you're not from candidates negativity. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I won't say minus two. Janis Pagonis. He's England. Well, I work from the bus to the Uber actual icicles hanging from hand from your beard, right. I don't have a bit, so it was just the smell on the inside of my your nose. Here's freeze. Yeah, they really do. It was awful. If you have glasses on to walk inside, it's everybody's dad. I showered and I went outside to the bus and immediately my half roasts. Like could. Yeah. Yeah, exactly insane. When I was in high school, I played water polo. Don't ask me why. I don't know. Snow. It was very icy. Wonderful. But I, I had really long hair, but it would get super fried because it was a lot of chlorine and then you'd go side when it was wet. And then for some reason, the cold made it so big frizzy rocketing frozen me for the froze. That's that's gonna fry frozen, frozen. Fro froze it. So you guys just go off to her when we were talking earlier than with with Blackville brides? Yeah, which is a great mix. I mean, it seems like like almost sister vans. It's I think we used to have like almost the same fan base backing ten years ago where it was, but I think, yeah, I think we still, we have that crossover, but then we both have different ends. The end of the spectrum. So the shows super diverse and everyone's getting hit things. They will usually funny because those of Blackville Bryce times oversea quite young. So that's a bring that parents and I after this tour during the so I was getting a of tweets saying, oh, we took our door to go see black veil brides, and now we're fans of you. So we want over black veil, brides fans, parents. I on this on this graphic is we went to. We played Nottingham rock city. I'll never go. Ask my tour manager. What's the cap here? He said, twelve hundred Blackville brides fans in six hundred fans. The little skinny skinny kids right now, is there some that's going on the road? I just saw I'm looking at right now as the water at my house went off. So my wife is calling in the water went off in the house another. So I'm trying to get the water Yati over, but he can't go to. Yeah, I mean Florida. So that's the stuff that you have to deal with when you're on the road. Hang a towel up in Florida and collect the moisture. Top your head. But I mean, that's that's always the thing like, you know, you mentioned to side of the coin. Danny not married in kids, then married with kids, and that's when you kind of like our band is one of the drummer, Frank has kids, but no one else does. So you get your kid understanding and you get the other guys that don't really know what you're talk. Definitely don't know. We're talking about. And I will use the perfect example. We played hit a couple of weeks ago at the marquee, and I've got my kids out, you know, two, very young kids got my wife out. It's like a case is my family saying Johnny comes marching with about eight bimbos. I came watching with came much in with kids of us, and then you brought the kids have been while the ended family, and then. Right? I was like, but because they have to say mental capacity though. So they go on like a house on fire? Yeah. Is it different mindsets though, like you guys, obviously, have been in band together for years you left for? Well, we'll talk about that. But now that you're back in the band is a little bit strange. Like do you feel different now that you have kids bet? Yeah, I definitely. I think I'm way more boring. It's turned into there's no one nice of debauchery. Now there's nice of white wine and Brown band. That's why we. In the end of the stuff I've one night while I, I'll, I'll really go nuts, no party. I'm like, you take a bottle of white wine to the front and listening to country music. That's fine. Loose dude. Right? There's no kids screaming over his eyebrows, beautiful pipes and a nice lukewarm loss of crappy Chardonnay that someone's put on the right. But you and I had a great night at the whiskey with Andy beer sack talker block though. Brides. Well, it ended up with chasing Andy down sunset strip ac- was yelling revolution and pick him up over my shoulder taxi. Wait about seven pounds. He's the skinniest man in the world. He's like slender man, but but he was saying, are you kind of on the wagon to or just slow down a bit or strategy? I'm still down. I think to towards the back end of a tall, I start to lose my mind low bit like once once past that first month, I'm like, I'm like, oh, yeah. I need to make a right inside me when I'm home. Really not much, but it's hard when you're on the road to because like I was just telling them, we just did a tour. We're still panther, which is dependent me of a fun rock and roll to our. Oh yes, great package. Great. We always had good shows because the fans are excited, and then there's a bottle of gender still pather with mortar. You want your finished your Saturday, forty five yet. Nothing else to do. Using you. What else am I supposed to? Yeah, but it does become a habit. You gotta be that? Yeah, like definitely towards the end of this one, probably the last the last week or two. I was. I reached a point like on the last day or I was like, I need to stop this. We're to die. I was like, I was like approaching Zack wild status, whereas I, how am I filling this inside me? This isn't human sock world, nineteen ninety ace appeared to the gym. I didn't stay long though. Did it? Danny? How long were we waiting for an on call that one because you had to run up to the toilet. Oh, yeah. Well, anything to do with the booze, those little stomach issue kind of and it's it happens at least once or twice every tall. I like everyday. Like I'm running behind him. A schedule lose loose, talk at times, like don't say right now. Just I'm jumping around so much and you know, sweating happen. Lubrication of the sphinx is going on. I'm jumping precious is gravity. Now, even my fault, and I, you know, you push them high notes and before on all of my dog, I just run off the stage. Yeah, yeah. And you can tell those shows because everyone's like, oh, Ben, Danny a joint, the hip, what it is. I'm trying to stay away from him and he knows what he. Oh, yeah. I saw David Coverdale whitesnake opening for motley Crue and like eighty seven and halfway through the show. All right, then I have to go to the toilet. I'm sorry. And he ran off and he came back and said, I was shitting myself. I have terrible diarrhea. No proper is the right and sorry, fine. People I have terrible diarrhea. I had to leave the stage years later. I interviewed with like, do you remember the things I remember I had the worst shits in my life. So what happens. He announced it too. Right? It at once. We'll thank you. This was right before the on call. So like last song hits, I'm like, I'm like, I'm not saying in the last two lines of the song. Save myself the embarrassment. So I made it, but at one time in Spokane, all right of during the show. So there's like they want to get it. Thing? Yes. I mean, the only way to get into the dressing rooms the elevator. I'm looney one bathroom back there and it's for however many bunch won't say boats. So take the elevator arriving. I'm buying on the door of someone in showering, some run out. I just go into the crowd space. I'm just like, so arming on this pattern on, I'm like, I'm still singing micro-mini because consummate professional. I'm slamming hundred on this guides. I can really angry hold on and other people like notice I'm doing this and then hanging on the door to throws the door open ready to throw a fist like my high near to get in. He's just show must go on. But obviously you guys get on. 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They were calling it helter skelter rock and roll rally. So with richest they're listening subscribe at apple podcast and Google play. Talk and odyssey and get along so well, and it's good that you're back. And yet I'm the last time I spoke with Ruth with via the about other singer, the Dennis and you had gone to do harlot. Did some country stuff? Yeah, massage. We're in the middle of fricken Iowa or something at a casino, Sioux City, Sioux City, walruses the casino. We played the you guys the next night. So what led do I mean, we could go to those sort of, but what led you guys getting back together and why were you gone in the first place? As far as being gone? It was, we were driven into the ground. We will young young ring. Yes, but through actively people doing it to us. Okay. We were Louis young. We didn't know what we're doing, and it was the first thing we've done and we started making a lot of money, but for people right for young guys, yet one money for the people. Other people getting. Ooh, I like these paychecks. Gotcha. Like we're going through a lot of stuff in our personal lives and like addiction and a lot of really traumatic stuff. And instead of being able to take a break, we were on the road constantly like I was like three as long nonstop and we respond. We like we need a break and then we know they fly told us, like if you take a break, like if if you even a week that you're done, you careers finish it. No, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was. It was a big, yeah, everyone would just we're just like, let's we can believe these kids dry. They'll bounce back, but it reached a point where we would taking it out on each other 'cause we didn't. We didn't know that this was happening actively while we, we knew something was wrong. We knew that we needed to stop, but we were scared the this is going away. So we're keep going and going. And then it'd be like fistfights every day and like more and more drugs more and more alcohol just to try and mascot like those point in it with the most cliche thing was someone flies out to toll to make sure that I am intoxicated, make sure that you aren't just because otherwise it was. I was starting to get a little bit. I like I stopped and are starting to catch on a little bit. Why flooding pumped me full of everything. And then that was Seattle where I had my breakdown on stage Seattle's. Yeah, she actually broke down and sage on. That was a gentleman hundred people fell asleep on stage, took a McLaughlin outside was trying to fight. Security was who's extreme. It's. Old school rock and roll. It was like. Old it was that was a mold, but that's that's what they, they wanted like Oscars Andrea became you err on control, and they had this. They had his playing shows with guns and roses and specimen. We did songs is Sebastian back and and they were like, these are the new faces of rock and roll. And so they fed it to us and we will. Yeah, we are so like you you bought into because that's the wrong. Yeah, yes. Supposed to do. We're doing copious amounts of cocaine every night and drinking handles each every night. Like when we were mayhem, cocoa who's sponsoring us and they, they said at the end of the week, three hundred sixty eight bowls of whiskey for this tool. Like we like what like we were drinking two bowls each day like we would. We would sponsored by five all for all of one show and they pulled the contract after show because we put in the next audit. They'd send us a case of handles show. It's all gone on. We need to put in the next door to you next week. We have like noon tomorrow night, which is. You sent you a handles like you've been gone for one day. Yes. Exact. Don't want to tell you. But it was it was. I was going to snap, you know, and it just it just so happened to be done. Yeah, but, but the thing is, it's like so hold you guys at this point in time, mid twenties, early twenties, I'd say emit too early. Yeah. So yeah, they, that's almost. I mean, you know, we all understand the show business kind of world of you're making money for somebody commodity, but this somebody's snapper somebody could die. Yeah, you know what I mean? And it's kind of a drag to think that you guys were getting happens. You know, it happened in wrestling for for for for a lot of guys. You know, if if you if you fall into that trap which is very easy and very appealing, that's so guys die. Yeah. Easy to get in, but it's really hard to get out. And we were like even a families, I, my mom was just dying inside because she sees me going through stuff like this very famous pitcher meal with internet where I'm like this, I appearing in through a window. What people don't realize is James looks very warriors holding my arm. Stories up. It will. Stories up out of the window hotel window. Just the other side on the other side shit, death and James is their word, and I'm just like, I'm my pupils a huge house on speed and cat. On to the point where it was like one of these kids, it's gonna die, but no one would allow us to stop. They would have robbed. They would have rather seen die in which the boost in sales. Thing that you would have been come martyrs that point. So. So what you finally reached a breaking point, you mentioned the Seattle. Did you say I'm out of this band? Yeah, two guys up done back-off tall an it'd ended on the last day that German, I'll allow a fluid and you know, it's a bad sign when the lawyer flies out for a show and like with will, like in each other's faces screaming about the next tall because the already trying to book book in the next all and I already knew that it was it was it was awful. Yeah. So accession to keep the peace and I get back from tall back for maybe a week, and I'm just like playing everything all in my mind. And then it got to about six AM on a cold Ben. He said he knew before even picked up the phone. You know exactly what phone calls can be the last time. I said she was I, I was just like, Yep, I get it. And I was just so you know, this is your home like they'll always always be animosity or because you gotta mostly was. Because you gotta mostly was all gone. It was like none of a sudden you fight left. Gotcha. Mt. Kind of so. Okay, let's go into the two sides of the coin. How did you feel Ben? You know, you've lost your lead singer as a very big band, and it's very hard. You know, you got your van halen's and those guys, but it's very rare to, you know, replace a singer with with another singer. The the beautiful thing about this bound was it was never. It was always kind of focused on more than just one member of thankfully for us. Donny left. I still have all the huge amount support from funds that we'd already had before. So all would. They were incredible. They, they just grouped around us and they were like, don't worry, you know, going anyway, it could have been come at the frog that took from Donnie and they would have embraced hilar-. It would have been. Susan amazing room that riffraff was going to refrain from. He's this exactly don't know how to describe him. He's a neon human calls himself the knee on some things, but they everything is, did you James Franco movie way at the gold teeth with DJ's. Is pretty rigorous called looks exactly like that. Okay. And he was kind of a Rapa book kinda just he was like the first of those social phenomenon people is ignited social meal knows what he does aware. He came from thing. Yeah, and so made like it was a memo something about or fake announcement about him. Coming into the band Easter started retweeting. He's like, ooh, I'll take this relevance. But even then I found like, yeah, okay, whatever we'll support you so they were. They were awesome. And you know, we did. We did a cycle and for me in particular because he wasn't just the thing. He was like my best friend, we'd lived together forever. It just didn't feel good for me anymore. Like I wasn't having a good time. I'd go out and be like, yeah, this is fun, but, but everyone sold me just start to get further and further away from all of them. And it goes to the point Ross I I was talking to my missus and I was like, I don't think I'm going to do this anymore. I just Don icon. I'm not enjoying it. Doesn't feel like aas, gangs, Andrea. It doesn't feel right. It was like, I'm just doing it to do it on. Not just when stuff starts get dog for me. Again, I might offer end mutual friend died, and I was like, yeah, this is like the worst ever. So, yeah, I was kind of just going through the motions and Donny was off doing other projects, and I think that time apart just allowed us to breathe and clear our heads on, I don't when we first hung out, it wasn't even. Like a thing we we didn't talk about him rejoining the boundary thing, I think really when it happened to when it really clicked his, he can't charge zone to record an old song that we'd written about the whole being pushed over the edge vultures. Yeah, I'm the magic just happened that day in the shooter and it was like, I remember I ran into the booze and I just gave him a huge hug. I, I think that we kinda just both Neil's like, yeah, this is bad is based so much on chemistry, right? Yeah. You guys came Pauly or the long hair he left for three years. He had some issues you had to take care of, and we had talented, there's three is because he could never find the right guy, but talented guys come in replace them, but there's no replace in the guy. You know, this is this is the guy. There's no replacing what he does in the band. It's a five sided square or what is that Rahm Boyd or five square five square. We should know it literally our outcome, but we have no idea. You get that chemistry. You said it was. It's not. And you know, people say tumble Asifa zeppelin. And why does it Robert plant? He doesn't want to do it. I heard because he doesn't want to be zeppelin. John Bonham. Yeah. And you know, if that's we feels, I can't hold them on. Yeah. 'cause I mean, I've I've made music with hundreds of people at this point and it's there's just something when we get in a room and it just clicks and all of a sudden it's no f. It's just it's on. Yeah, we just pushed recalled Gaul, but having said that I wanna talk a little bit about where Harley because yes, the band that he formed after you actually formed it before you were doing both. Yeah, but it was. It was very like hall. It was just kind of thing when I was in LA. I live like there wasn't any tore plans for it was like a refund roll record, send after leaving asking all of a sudden cycle. When I guess I'll told us now. Yeah, so we went on the road of that which again was a lot of fun. But I mean you you saw that was a walk in shit show like we were all just dialed up to eleven one hundred percent of the time, and it's like it was only so long before people got exhausted, and there was a lot of partying going stretch. I saw you at the casino wearing a full link the for coat. Yeah, nice. Like like shell necklaces on. Of course, and this is something wrong with that. And when you add in all the drugs and alcohol, whatever it is it you realize this a dead end street and I of the time Donnie Lee Rothko tired. Aged very prematurely. It started out as. It was really dark with drinking and Pau in in asking, and then I left and it was like a found the Paul again. 'cause you reach a point where it stops being party and like you're in the room, but you to be there anymore. We just keep doing it because you don't know how to leave the room. So you're supposed to do. Yeah, there isn't a door, and then I like found the you're going on like, this is so much for Lega hand, right? So just continue the exact same lifestyle that was killing me, but just with a smile on my face, and then it reached a point again where I was like was like, like everything huts I'd I, I can't keep doing this to myself and then I wanted to just clean up and yeah, figure my shit out on. I was like this something that's making me do this. And then that was when I sat down to write the first solo record, which was just very cathartic for the country. It was like every single word was terrifying to put down known. To a different genre of music as well. Right? Yeah. And that would it be in so soft and vulnerable. It allowed me to write to such personal things that how necessarily how to write in another way without just sitting down with an acoustic guitar, saying, all of the things that just really scary to admit to myself. Now Ben, you obviously know why Danny's left and you're carrying out asking which is still a very big band. Yeah, he was the new singer. Are you keeping an eye on him and seeing kind of what is going or hearing stories, or. Of course, and the funny thing is done. He doesn't really talk to his family very much at all, but they I, they talked to me to find out that he's still alive and okay. So even when Donnie was gone, he was still very much of my life and I was like, don't worry. He's okay today. He's in this part of the world. This one you probably drawn. He's not still crazy Donnie, but I always, I always I didn't keep tabs on him, but I always was checking to make sure that everything was going okay and going on. We know so me if the same people in the industry. Suffolk, get band, small industry. I. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I was. I always knew he was around like he never disappeared that he did a country record? No, not at all. I mean, since we were very young we, I mean, I'm a huge blues fan and we listen to all kinds of music. We very rarely even listened to to to rock any hours as far as old. Yeah, on our bus, it's seventies like rock funk rock. They call it whole note. So. TOTO you need to cleanse your musical palette has been filling my life lately. Oh yeah. And like not even on purpose, just Africa is like I go into a place in Africa, starts playing. I'm starting to think it's my theme tune. Like the someone that's been hired to follow me around introduced right. Late to the year and on the guy next to you. Nelson, he plays it on his phone. It hard for you at first day to go from playing your very big places. 'cause harlot was not playing as always. It was hard to going into doing solo stuff because that again was was so far off. But I think by then I took like a a year off from term before did any my stuff. But it was different. But I knew it was going to be like that like I was mentally prepared for it. 'cause I was like, we shouldn't be headlining. This is a new band, but major labels and the delusion. There will be like, no, no, no, you you headline right on my show. Like we have all these friends. We could go support like literally a phone call, and eventually we got on some stuff with David, Deb mom and got on some three dollars down some see the things, but for the most part, it was just playing too, like Hoffa rooms because people didn't know the bent. Right. Even though you one like your couple. Yeah, Lou that'll have classic rock award buff. I hosted it. You want. So yes, you the metal ham on a thing. That's the one. Yeah. Yeah. I remember Jeff at a big long, white and black checkered suit or something like that. Eccentric self. Absolutely, absolutely. So now the about the other is harlot is still thing, or would you go back to Justin Jefferies out in Miami now? Bruno vanished. No, literally much leave after the last all like just a wall. No idea. Like feel like one day I'll get an Email. It'd be like, so do we want to do on their own. But like I mean, he's doing, I think he's a personal trainer, a bunch of that stuff. Now, just walking around being a handsome, Brazilian guy, Brian's got like ten million. I mean, he was always a session guy and hide gun. So he's just doing that bid just go to vintage shop down, and I think he's Miami, something like that. I saw Detroit randomly his family's from Detroit. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. But I mean, I've just finished up my new album and would walk in this them like we've only just started with this and then we're already working on some most off. Seems like you wouldn't need harlot at this point because you have your rock backwards should be right. Yeah. I mean, we wrote an album on. It's really good if if I got approached with an opportunity like I don't wanna talk it, I already know. I don't let me just say it. Well, it's already done. Well, like if I get approached it all over to natives of, do you want to put this out? An extra x-ray level is like, hey, we'll put this out like we'll pay. Go get mixed mastered them. It together then. Yeah. 'cause it's hard though because the recommends not gonna put an album which nobody buys anymore anyways, which we talked about before we can talk later. So you the way you make money that was by touring and merch. But I mean, I've I've, I have thought about doing it as well. Like I just hired mixing my strip, put it on Spotify and apple music. The worst thing the worst thing that happens is it only makes a little bit of money because it costs us nothing to make, but like so if one person buys it. This ten bucks put me through. But it just seems like a waste to put all those song you laugh. But that's a lot of nuggets from McDonald's. I mean, yeah, just feels. Yeah, just let them die because I know that if if a set them to Sony to put out otherwise, it's my luck that someone offals going home, butcher them. Yeah, exactly. Visualizes interested actually be so not so bad. Okay. When you when when you cited to bring a Danny back was Dennis still in the band for a date way? I just like I said, I checked out, we'd stopped talking like I hadn't heard from him in months. You know what I mean? And all labeled tried to get a hold of him even like why don't bother and like, well, you have to because contractually obligated to do this, this and this. And I was like whatever kind of thing. And out of nowhere like me and all able in Russia was still getting these really like cryptic text messages, like of like from him from his phone of like cartoon drawings of him being a source or an all of us being in the air. Weird and then like with tax, like talking about Dennis, but from Dennis his phone, so much with stuff. And then I guess I shoveled soon Gortex saying, if you wanna see me again, bring a million dollars in a briefcase to the Ukraine. And he says, he showed me this tax and I was like, really? What's like it's a big lebowski and you know what I mean to ash us all. I thought all I took away from his whole situation was this is great for us. She loves to write movies. I'll let him have this one. Meanwhile, I'm still just checked out. I don't care. I don't care amount of caught my my door. I'm happy Algo. Come manager a work at a label, or I'll do something, but you know, I wasn't having fun at that point in time. And then you know, we wouldn't, like I said, we didn't really bump into each into hanging out. He's the owner of snaring. Yeah. Okay, Gotcha. Them's in doing pick up stuff from Arkansas and which is the movie you did. I think I was reading for movie and I went to lunch with Ashish and he, he dropped the seat for record involves, then he's do you remember song like, yeah, that's the song you hate until us not put them a lifestyle. 'cause it's about. What you and then he was like, well, ask him to go into going to do a new album. Like what do you think about them doing it? And I was like, I mean, which by the way I had never been brought up with. He knew exactly what he was doing play in having this conversation because he knows that in my head, I'm going. Yeah. Not saying he's not butchering my incredible vocals. With us communism. That'll be a headline. Number, okay. This is incorrect. Then he was like the news, the news like, well, but what if like with with how kill switch? Did you just come in and you just sing one song on the album and it's like a throwback and I'll be like, I mean, feel like he'd have to talk to the band about this, like do they know is acknowledged brainstorm talking my head and I was like, well, listen, I feel like with the way things ended its, it'll go down better for even if it's just like something Ben and I do and it's just like a little acoustic thing. And that's what we discussed during for. Watch me Donny releasing it and then I go, I stayed to ashes that night. 'cause supposed to fly out and he was he was a young woman like, okay, you take, I wanna show you the movie. So I'm over at his house and he's like, he's like, he's it. Oh, by the way Benjamin's coming over. Oh, this ain't gonna be weird. Thanks. Give me a heads up. I, I'm going to require some Jameson fast forward to two hours away. He's ordered a full pizza and fullness with his head. In my lap back. This mentioned Jameson. Until he fell once again, you know, and and listen. I mean there's the bad side of the of the record label wanting you to be on the road forever, but there's also the good side. They'll like, Alex, Alex, the SEO's editor it's best is with the two guys. Rod Smallwood did the same thing with Bruce and Steve after like this place thing is done. Let's organize this chance meeting between BRUCE'S Stephen back in order again and it it. It turned out. I mean, yes, there is not study music industry, but at the same time I think everyone is grown and everyone Lunt where people's limit saw. So now it's when when let's say and stuff, and I'm like that that doesn't work like, okay, let's figure out a different angle, forgot a different way to do it right because they've seen how it can get. And I mean, even with me doing another one of my records for like for brief second, the was like push back from the record from askings record label side, and everyone was like, don't do that. This is how we start fights. Like we get along, just fine. Don't. You want to do so much because he and his heads like like donny's doing an album, asking to stop touring. This is all all. Batman chip, but it's it's like it's like, yeah, literally at the same time, like already working on more asking stuff like already like, this isn't going anywhere. Yes, never had an issue with that though. You never know. We never had stuff. It was everyone else. It was everyone who had nothing to do that, who cares? And they just try and create pro Sommese. How when you get older, like you said, the guys they used to hate back in the day, like what? Why don't we hate each jets now played against each other, you know, or whatever may be so stupid as you grow older, but since they miss listen to your cycle, you do you record than you do the hell want. Yeah, exactly exactly how I was getting back together to work in the asking Alexandria record was it was it was hike seem, you'd never been anyway. It was within ten seconds of being in the studio. Like I said, when we divulge his before you even rejoined it was like, wow, this is this is Oskoui. Yeah. Yeah. And it was it. Ben Ben had written a bunch of really cool stuff and like I would we both going into the same mentality, but we didn't know that was what the other one was thinking too in that we will like, okay, the rule book of wall asking Alexandria is gone. His gun, make it fuss records like this compound. Anyway, we. Want like we can make it weird. We can create whatever we feel like two and everyone and like I'm the right invoke because I'm like, I'm like, I don't know if they're going to buy this and then doing like these cool like Spacey guitar, things like put it, it, it, it blended so well together and I came out for month after all the music was done. And the my whole process is I get into the studio and I'll listen to whatever song I'm doing that day for the first time in the studio. Like on the day, I'm writing all right under quarters ago and day one, we did four songs three songs. We did two songs one song. I don't leave for a month. We can slow this down there. So studying like one every couple of days and then hang out the go, go do cool stuff. Yeah, it was like the quickest recording pro. Right. And under coding process. Of course, probably the most fun of one hundred year Merced excited and. Just fun. We've had since debut album, some unscreened, which you will look back on now that I'm not cool. But at the time we were on top of the world we had, there were no expectations and and it was like that again. It was like we were doing whatever we wanted to then what we love to do, and that's exactly what it was like for this to which I had not fell since when we recorded that two thousand eight. Shouldn't that you guys had gone. You guys went and did some tours with cousin roses, and we played with guns and roses was when was that? That was two thousand eleven twelve to before we had enough songs to play for an hour. Yeah, you're contractor for an hour? Yeah. They made us play the same song again but only half of it because that was a allocate you want that we'd sixty minutes a minute over non minute under. And we also already in the middle of a toll. We were in Orlando and we get this phone call in his sake, gone guns and roses out one. Is it? It's tomorrow night. Wes, I say, New York, no, no, it wasn't. It was that night. We got the call the the morning thinking. I, I think it's because Baz cancelled. And then it was monitoring to get everything together the entire time. I'm like, I don't do it. This isn't going to be a good fit. This is still an everything is super heavy. Like this pretty much no singing. To listen to us. Take my word for this. I spent the whole show my back facing the audience. Do I? Because it was imperative they were like, so so tight, ten thousand people Chauncey aren't so. And we only announced that morning that we were playing on. So offense goods sold out. So I think maybe five got tickets up in the nosebleed. They were like. Benny? Was it the like z. zairo izod center is on all sorts of New Jersey. Yeah. Yeah. There was one guy found though forget this in my life. Like I love hecklers. I think the hilarious. I like to have fun with them. But those this guy in the front, I nothing because he didn't say I would. He just, he just looked at me and put his. Come on, man. Why? Why? Why? Why are you here? I, why are you doing this to me when I came out, I've with my wife. I'll kids we go to sift this, why these front seats and just come on, come on. Just disappointed in the story sick. That's terrible. Was it just be like, oh, there's no. So we finish fifty seven minutes on the, they're like three minutes. We finished our set. We can have to play another song. We have another song that we can play. You have to pay another one that you've already played again for three minutes of it. We played a song that we played towards the beginning of the set I as if these people want pissed off enough, hey, his another one of the same song we had like it the first time. Yeah, if if they didn't like it the fuss, I'm, they hate it. Wow. So then you you have to do another one after that you said you to shows or is it a different time? Second one was. I think it was a festival, but I think it was. This stage would cause it was the Trump ashes. Mom gave him of bear on my head. Do not get along. Okay. But it was. It was a really weird festival. It was one of the scattered over everywhere, but they didn't have enough bands for that. Okay. So it was like the only bans on I'll stage was like abandoned, eleven AM. Plus guns. Yeah, everything away for the rest of. So you pretty much just an aspirin, Alexander rose, a show. Again, here we go. Any better? I, it went back lightly because it was a festival. So the people that who aren't just that to see. So he would have to think that axel, probably personally requested you guys to be on the show we, they asked for us king to fly out specifically for that show, which is, like I said, we were the poster children for the new age of rock and roll. I never like like we went in met with Steven Adler and played jammed night train with him because he was like, oh, this Hosking bound. And then statement, Sebastian. We did some skipper cousin. He hood house, how we got him with him. He was like, I wanna come sing with you guys. Remember, no, Stephen was gonna come up and play that song onstage with us film in the first DVD. Now at the Wilton he's never show just to show us the whole for Gaul. He is just a quick with the golden gods. We had this year and hosted again in Stephen came up and he was just talking among the way I tried to like gently not. I wasn't forced, but it's just like letting him know that it's. Time to move. Off forcibly gave me a little body check in. I would expect Steven Adler from guns. But if you try that again. He's he's either because I saw his shoes doing with his mom on some more toys, shown his mum's her book, right? I need. I get scraped. But I I wrote a book on like, okay, but right now. Well, actually my back on his mom's just like, oh, hey, we go. And the answer is I k we go. She's like, why did a finish the book? Now, this is like a whole of again. This is the epilogue anyway enough about me. Well, time's up. What was it? Good job. That's enough about me. Then. Jimmy, even any slight sniffs of axel or was it completely when he, he came like two hours late the they pulled in and like a black Cadillac or something. And I was like, oh, there is. And I'm walking back to my dressing room from catering. They were nice enough to give us addressing right, and I was walking back and I was like, okay, and the security guard grabs my chest and pinging against the wall. They don't move on my hair out. I just played. I just got some them headings migraines right now. If you if you look that just three meat is that's my door. He's I don't move an axle, comes down the surrounded by security on. He's like, just looked down. Yes, I understand this off. So rose. Very excited right now as I did when I get to my green room. So he went past me, didn't care. He got OH the end of the corridor, turn the corners. I now you can go and I was like, thanks, mine. Unbelievable in front of the. This dog 'cause wealth to leave if he was in the halls now there wasn't a bathroom, so just have to wait, but I didn't want to do that. We'll be that'd be. I don't care if we never get this opportunity again, as I walked out for yet, then I dated a chick who's one of his ex's and there's a whole bunch of drama that, but that was another one of those scenarios. Like you say, it's like if reached a point, Mike, like caring? Yeah. Yeah, I haven't been with this chick for like a year at our hall. Right, right, right. Okay. Yeah. But yeah, there was a little back and forth with that. I remember who that is that he knew about that Jay new by that he'd try and get to leave my time to go up to his tolerant, and I was I was like, send up send that room number one more time. I'll is. Yeah, I in her underwear. How about them blown John. A security guard. I like I like that stuff the when you don't care like there's, there's been a couple people that are bands that are offered us tours and then they don't. And they do, and I find said, listen to, you know, tell them now like I'm done with this. Yes, no, not kowtowing or kissing anybody's ass. Yeah. If they want us to if we're worthy of terrible, get it, I don't care. Will they? I don't care. This tell. No, no, you're saying no to them. Yeah. Take say they're disqualified from offering us a tour anymore. Yeah, you and they're like, you can't. Let's do it bro. Give me the address. They'll do it myself. Why? What? What are they. No one of the ways. Yes. Now you're offered. You have to be on this. Well, we're going to tell this guy to take you out is good. I already told him. Also a good position to be in confident, don't care many, yes. This people that are always going to be kind of waiting for the call. Hello, sir. That way you know, you mentioned that you that you enjoy hecklers. Not do tell some good heckler stories. I probably a biggest heckler on stage. We got. We go back and forth. Constantly. A state show is become just the dining Ben standup show. Yeah. It wasn't. It wasn't even that intensive Hackel, but we don't make him like everyone's having equate time some festival like middle of the day, just trying to get drunk. One guy in the crowd who stood in the Miller, a song ends buddy. Do you need to stay what's up? And he's like. He's like. Oh, your mother should've swallows. You leave. Shit back. So you can't win though. If you got the microphone, you'll always win. You know, that's what scientists microphone keep talking and they respond. They should await them dumb as bad with that. He's, he's like, hey, guys. Does he wanna fight mothers the best ones out the golden. They won an award and everyone's like, oh, yeah. Well, I have this heavy s award and you have a fat. Oh God, you wanna meet me outside fat ass. I think it was even four is thrown in there too. Yeah, probably say, oh, on the. Yeah, we had one the other day we were in Dallas, and there was a guy. He was holding a sign that I don't know. I don't know what his gimmick was or what is it about your show? Wait, you pay to be here beside it says, play free bird freeze the whole show. And I'm like, okay, it's mildly funny. Joke for three seconds, put it now, but now I'm not gonna look at it. I will look at every person in the crowd. And if you guys said, gee, my scan his past. I could see the look at all. Look, you just you just lose his interest. This lease our show a headlining show places pack, then you gotta hold up that sign. It doesn't say anything play free bird. Okay. Like, okay. No, that's not the best or sponsors free bird. The Saint can do bug. You mentioned just gonna. I'm just gonna learn to play free, but really vowed like, oh, really? Awful job the next thirteen minutes short. Yeah. Also just to give you never play it only if someone calls about. Oh, yeah, so wrong. You're in a different key different keys. The thing is to become a heritage as has all like like, it's like the secret menu of escalates like shout free, but like they'll play this awesome shitty. Shitty flu, no mama. Band on YouTube on the cover, like rock and Mel songs, but with a flew out of time like they kind of play the flute. It's incredible. Nice food. Yeah. Should he flew and good? No, they sucks. It's really, really bad. That gets all it's like a. It's like a two year old plan of flu. He'll killers, but it'd be great if that's then like they shout free bud and it's like, okay, should he? We just bring Schaffler on toy. There's. Chassis. That's our special guests. She. He talking about the new record and how much fun was to make it. We mentioned this a little bit earlier ban with with it. Music is nowadays. Then you told me something that I hadn't heard yet that I tunes is going to cease to exist, apple of getting rid of ice you even if you want to buy music and you won't be able to the only I think the only people buy music our musicians. Yeah. Bye. Bye. Unlike anyone who is a close when it's like you get the for free anyway. I guess they're like, yeah, you you're, you're losers? Yeah. Yeah. Which is interesting. They follow shutting it down. Yeah, assist assist, which is fine. You know, things progress, insane. I don't wanna be the guy holding onto the tape cassette or vinyl cool stuff suffocates get it, but it has to progress on all fronts because right now artists on getting paid from streams that just not. So it's like, okay, that's fine. This new platform is great, but there will be no, no one putting on this platform if they can't afford to do it anymore because not getting paid to do it and as much as people like greedy greedy, no, this is this is all jobs all of us. We're not making money like people think we don't make millions and millions of dollars. Always the thing when I was a kid there, there's a band from Canada coll- kick axe and they had three albums and they toured with Judas priest and Alice Cooper triumph. I'm like, dude, they must be like multimillionaires. And of course it probably cutting by living in three hundred bucks a night. Not what people think that we mentioned that, like how you know if you grew a banana, I'm a banana grower and someone just comes and takes all. I've been ads for free. That's not how it works. You spent. The interesting thing about that is it works even more so I not only do we not get paid for tonight music anymore, but everyone, you know, gets free much. They just come to the show. Can I get get five t shirts and beanies dude, isn't that game out the old? Can I get on your guest list by ticket? Dude, I had to, we've shown Dallas and some people came great friends, great people, but it was not the guy, it's the handlers. Yeah, yeah, probably guess who it is we get to in a shirt and I'm like, you know, exactly like if I was in the, you know, dude. Okay, cool. Find if I went to a show that someone gave me tickets for and ask for eight or ten tickets, I would throw some money in the pot. I, I went and saw what's the band called. I don't even falling reverse Avoca and there was an opening band issues. I really liked issue, so I went and bought issue shirt. Yeah, they're good. They'd probably are making calling us give something and they were playing the whiskey on Saturday and every person that I know. Hey, make we're great give for already LA there's no everyone wants cops all the recovery all the Pierre. I guess this venue out. For free because all my friends and friends. FOX got jobs, I would pay. You know what I mean? Like, but people don't your friend h m I don't go and get a free outfit like, hey, on sneak this teasha. Yes, we, you go buddy, doesn't work that way. It's almost thing as demeaning to buy their own tickets. Right. Well, no trust all the worst is. Go way back like, oh, I know Ben from Oscar and don't worry about it. He'll be able to get me into that twenty one pilots show that's coming through Dallas next month like, hey, can you give me a twenty one pilots? Are you serious? Know what's wrong with you, even if you did know. Tallec stay. Can you get me Metallica tickets? You know, LARs. Okay. I know LARs. I'm not gonna. Ask LARs to get you tickets. He doesn't know you. Yeah, like dude, I can get you tickets, three hundred bucks. I'll know anyone. It's so funny how people act very weird. And again, it's only with musicians. It's like, Why's music been dumped in this congress? I I, everything should be free. They don't deserve. You think he could hit a product? Give me some free tickets. New movie? Yeah, exactly. Get a free tour, Brad set and give me backstage passes for his. Oskar house. But I mean, do you think that there's a there's a fix to that though, is when we're talking about the whole Spotify thing? And I guess it's it's it's I mean, as a guy. So for the people who are on the other side of the microphone and don't necessarily know it's fifteen hundred plays counters up hutches of single album. And like that scale is to fix the problem. They have to shift the scale because yeah, how does fifteen hundred people streaming something equate to one person Parkway. One play equalling ninety nine cents. Yes, right. Yes, before anyone on our side of touched it. Yeah, exactly. It winds out it's it's like six or seven cents purchase now and it's like that's fifty. Nine places success six time insane like you. You have to be getting billions of place to get any. There isn't room for it. Like, right, so that scale needs to move and you figure out the math and I mean up in web for years, we all. Have the streaming is the future of whether this goes, I think there are some really awesome pucks to it where all of a sudden artists are forced to write hits and albums when exists because they'll be no point for them. So be you go in you right song, you call the song. You put it out like a couple of days layup, right? But then everything you put put out has to be amazing because you put out a couple of shitty filler in clung on check back. That's a good point. So I think it's going to be great for the artistry standpoint. It does kind of take away from where artists get to create, and it's not necessarily a song that's for the find something for them and it's like that could put people off, but it's going to force people to be better and it's gonna. It's gonna thin the HUD because there's a lot of the industry's oversaturated and it's going to spend on it. You know, I it has to be the way because sooner or later either because I always say we're stuck one foot in the kind of the past yet saying the past meaning the early two thousand one when you guys first record out two thousand nine. Okay. So you little bit past few Thomas advantage? I record yet. Even city vivo doesn't two thousand five. They still made big money on that. That was kind of the last few dwindling years. So one foot and then in one foot in now. But there's still the future where there has to be more revenue for the artists will be 'cause if not will be no new artists. I'm just saying, I'm the sapping is young. Other things that really me as bands need to stop doing. You don't have to feel bad about wanting to make money, but I haven bonds goes as you go. We don't even care if you stole are illegally so long as you're listening like no dude, that's not the president to be to be set. That's not where the bond needs three-set mind because so now there's this mentality, people go will bounce, should just be thankful. We're listening and so, well, I understand we are not gonna. Listen to listen to we all thankful, but also we, we have food to eat Ambil Bill, just like you, do, you know, we don't expect you to do anything any of your jobs for free. It's like why musicians expected to entertain. I'm provide people which by the way, music's the most powerful thing in the world. So this this, where people are expected to get songs that changed their lives, help them through day today, even if it's just a shutout real life for for a couple of minutes. Why has that become expected? You know what? I'm going to just take an have your disposal when you need it. It's something that everybody enjoys the one John or another. But like you said, if there isn't some revenue, nobody could afford to do it. Yeah, you have a bunch of firemen that put out solo records on the side now. Exactly which means knowing to be able to talk because they'll be able to afford the exam talk. And then there's the other side like you never come to my town like Khan afford to like we wanna go to a strategy right now, so bad and there's so many people going you want and you come to a and I, this is how it works. We got an offer to go over there and we can't physically afford to make it to a strata with all crew on our production and get back on even make any money for ourselves. It would be a break even. So we'd be going over there sensually for free and people just don't understand that, you know, and it's like, well, you know, and that's why you call being Mark. We're not marks to play music that you're not like a fool for, but we love to do it with. Sure is amazing time, but you know why you guys come to Denver. We'll Denver's never made us an offer that we could afford to come. Yeah. Yeah, I love costly for five hundred bucks door deal customers to put a show on just for a Tory fifty grand just for the buzzers for the gas. And then there's the production and then the crew, and then the management, and then the overheads of the venue in the security. And it's like, okay, before you know it, there's no money left over for the band guys, but people don't think about that just like, well, they get everything for free and that millionaires like. No, not really. Really. I mean, somebody I try and educate the fans on like instead of just being like, no, by the music because in the head that's just the guy shot him too because he wanted the money. So I try. I try and explain to him like, okay, you really want us to this town and like you telling us on these live chats and stuff like we've got a lot of fans in this town. It's like one book at the analytics of sales and Australians on it doesn't look like anyone that's buying it. So book and Asian, there looks that goes on not bringing this. I'm John basis and it's because there's no way to measure how many people that have a legally downloaded it. Sure, sure. Such impossible for good town. 'cause we'll be going that five hundred bucks, but you never know even say, we told you, it's it's actually like way more than that because somehow they found another cachet of tickets. Are you kidding me? So how do you not know? 'cause they're saying, well, this, this show's selling this will be really sold that, but don't really knows. Yeah, it's such a weird bell curve. Of what you can really, let's see. Wanted to audit somebody, what do you audit? And yeah, you have to pay a guy to sit at the front door with a click, basically. That's right. Which we, which we used to do when we don't deals, we'd have to sit someone that there's a lie. That's right. But again, that's another paycheck. Someone else now. Right? And that and that not cov-. I love the cof- professionalism in this industry like the musicians have professional punctual and do everything on time. And then gradually, you go town Makarov and people get lazy on to less then reach the people are supposed to do all of the world. Don't do anything. It's like it's like, hey, these numbers right now, it's like our, we'll give them your next month. The toes finish next month. What happened on this toy? Like the someone from labor hit up, my toll was like, hey, so we've got press for ban in in Colorado at six pm and seems like great, great. I'll let him know. Oh, just so you're aware. Colorado was four days ago. Okay. Job full days too. Late. Getting your DeLorean. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like come on guys. We try and be as organized as you can't, but we need some help. But the bomb is, is we wind out you guys are back together. Again, this is a great time seems you're both very happy. So this record was a success, but you mentioned you already want to do another one. Ready? I the cost of the songwriter I, it's, I can never switch. I can switch off right after I finish a record. My body's done on my brain on. I switch off for a little while, but then it just will turn on whenever it feels like it and once it's on it's on. So I get for straight like I'm driving here. Frustrated. 'cause I've got all these ideas in my head, like kind needs get into studio, but I calm because this album so new to the public needs to me anymore. We seemed to the public. So they was like, you're gonna keep you record. We started recording this year ago, so it's so that takes awhile new to us. Yeah, which is fine. And I love this album when I wanna continue story. But I also want to be able to create. New music now as well. And I feel like coming back to what Danny was saying, eventually, finally, the rock industry will catch up to the puck and rap industry, and we will be just releasing singles, which is great. I can be like, I wanna go in studio tomorrow. Next week does a new song, you know? So I'm wife with Danny or right mostly on your own. No, we we, I wrote together. Yeah, I'd written a lot before, and then we decided to kinda just just start again almost, you know. And I think most of the music was done on the ideas with that, but then Donna came into vocals and it turned into more of a collaborative today stuff. Yeah. What was the difference between singing the country? Sonesta gonna rock song. The accent. Well, I think I think the way I've grown the summer because I like everything now and I think this right in this was right after finishing and releasing the solar of associ- puzzle cathodic. And this was the perfect album to come out of it because I've got to pick up the end of that story where it's like, okay, I can move on now. And then I got to write this incredibly positive album about the experiences I've had and how to move forward and it stopped being different. The differences, the amount of social on the guitar. At this point, it's just the production, the act of making the songs and then singing them a one in the same at the same now, very much Rockall country music, Sam, going on. Anyways, Luke Bryan Little Rock tunes to night. The was the Nashville scene coup. It was. It was co for first year, and then I mean that town's growing so quickly. It became exhausting. Like became another LA. Yeah. Yeah. And but like the structure built as he got get anywhere or do anything, just too many people in very small town on a just I got over it super quick, and I became a reclusion to sign a studio all day making songs and two last questions. And this was probably a thousand times. But for me, I've never ask you. This word is asking, Alexandria, come out. The guy Sewri I'd never. Like, Where'd you fuzzy? All right. Here we go. I never knew so from from the name, the name date. Honestly, I came up with the name. I think I was like twelve years old. I've been doing this for a long time. Maybe all maybe fourteen. So I don't even really remember remember, I remember vividly my head one day being in my bedroom, but the dictionary on just going through trying to find a cool word. You know what I mean? Like what's cool. I can to find a cooler with a cool meaning. Yeah, exactly. Perry, a motive. No, I just I go to over it and I was like, what is the name really matter? And I remember like thinking about the Beatles, what does that mean? It's Slipknot was, I mean, job is kiss terrible. All that really matters is the band itself, and I just remember thinking, okay, well, I'm not a big success rebound what do people relate to? What can they relate to more than anything else? I remember thinking other people, so that was the idea of getting a human name came from Alexandria and at the time I think the big platform was pure volume. If you remember that peel volume dot com before my space and everything, and I typed Andrea and it was already taken. So it's like, take another were some suggestions for you. You know what I mean? Like when you're making new mail and I was like, cool, Hosking Jewish sweet. That's it out every girl. I've Alexandra. It's a fan of van. You believe this, but I'm also called, I mean, with a believe you, I believe is all probably millions dot weird of the name. The wizard favorite concert you ever saw? Oh, wait before you that. Oh, this just for the record. This is the first time in the history of this band. Ben as EPA answered that question. As of indulge, right for us is the question kind ever news like ten you can tell. We usually. That that's the first time. No one actually ever knows until now. There's talk as Jericho exclusive right here today, favorite concert you've ever seen? It's tough. I think for me it's probably deep purple and not because it was the biggest of the best, but it was my first class on my stepdad took me. Yeah, and I just remember looking at that stage and thinking, oh my God, this is insane. Like a Rena full of people going on. And the keyboard to the end, they did that bow on the keyboardist actually fell over and broke his hip and got stretch it off stage. And I was like, amazing. Came down. Yeah. Immortal humans after all. Yeah, exactly. In that moment. And I know I'm. My favorite. I've had the great pleasure seeing many incredible ones. The most fun I've ever had it comes. It was kid rock all can put on a show and his plan to so good. Yeah, Chris, Stapleton is incredible. I saw John Mayer a few months ago. It was in player. Yeah, but he's more known for slaying the. Yeah, I think I was kid rock because it was just it was so good legs plays instruments? Yeah, my jaw was on the floor. It was. It was on. It was a rock on the right. So you had like his full like rock meets tantrum. Marikana college? Yeah. And it's just like all the songs are completely different line like it's not rock live. It's just amazing in its energy to show. Yeah, and he's hilarious, and it's just larger than my detainment. Well, guys, it's great to have you here in the back of the bus, and let's go before. Dan is to go poop again. On you. All right, asking Alexander's new single alone in a room. Spent four weeks at number one and octane is biggest countdown on siriusxm and it's still top five. Go get the record. Go see them live. Everything you need. Is that asking Alexandria dot com. Thanks to Danny and Ben for being here, laughing at up with me, and thanks guys who all about cabins for Chris Jericho's rock and wrestler agency. We are less than fifty cabins left now so book. 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Brian Pillman Jr - A Chip Off The Loose Cannon
"The Jericho network on Westwood One. Tall. Dog recall. Ricco. All right, welcome to talk. Is Jericho. It is the plot of thunder and rock and roll, and let's go Duff McCague joke of the week. Oh, Chris. Jericho's again, I didn't wanna believe my dad was feeling some this job as a road worker, but when I got home, all the signs were there. Thank you very much. Yes, very, very nice. Wow, Duff is the man of many jokes, some of them good. Most of them like that one, but he's a rocker hall of Famer and he takes the time every single Friday, no matter where in the world he is or what he's doing to phone in the joke of the week. Thanks the Duff and the rest of guns and roses on tour hitting the Philippines, Jakarta, Taiwan Hong Kong, and Abu Dhabi in November and Fuzzy's. Judas rising tours rolling on as well get to that in a minute. Because right now I gotta tell you who's coming up on today's show Brian film in the second, the only son of one of the pioneers of high flying and getting his character over reinventing himself. The late great, Brian filming Bryant number two lost his dad when he was just four years old, but he remembers a couple of things. We still share Brazil. A lot of his dad and him as well as you here in the conversation coming up. Brian's also talked about making his own name in the business and how he came back to wrestling in the first place and the advice he got from films close friend stone cold, Steve Austin, he trained with Lance storm in Calgary talks about hooked up with Lance training. There. He's also talking about the recent knee injury suffered that had him sidelined for few months. He just came back, what do you plan to do and his downtime in the ring, Brian's got some goals for both new Japan and WB and a plan on how to get there Bryan film in the second coming up and Fosse come into the orpheum tonight in Tampa, September twenty eighth. It's a hometown show from in Florida, and we finish up the US leg of the Judas rising tour Saturday night Fort Lauderdale to culture room tomorrow. And then we're playing the rock allegiance. So main stage, New Jersey. Next Saturday, October sixth. And then we head to Austria and New Zealand Auckland at the studio, November seventh Melbourne at max watts, November ninth, which is my birthday, the manning in Sydney, November, tenth, thirteenth Adelaide at the governor and member fourteenth Brisbane at the triffid. We will be there or go check that out. If you live in Austria or New Zealand, they were hooking up with three days grace for some dates on their Canadian tour Moncton on November twenty. First Halifax, the twenty-third, Quebec City, the twenty four twenty fifth months real twenty six. Armed prior, which is basically Ottawa twenty-seven is London Ontario twenty is Toronto Ontario. Then the thirtieth Thunder Bay December first at the Burton Cummings theatre the Burt in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, my hometown, whether hometown show for me second, Regina. Third is Edmonton at the Starlight room. And the fourth finishing Judas rising tour after nineteen months is going to be in Calgary at the gateway go to Fosse rock dot com for all ticket info, including how to buy packages for what a falsies VIP meet and greet for legendary one of the best of the business. We play many concept for you. We take pictures, we sign stuff. We hang out with you. You get to meet Jack Slade. What more do you want to go to Iraq dot com for all information? All right. He's at Brian fly, junior on Twitter. He's live on talk. Is Jericho right now? It's Brian Bill. In the second. Here we go. Bryant roaming the second which is very regal, but this is wrestling. So you're probably end up being Brian Tillman junior for awhile? Yeah, that's that's how it's ending up being promoted and people are introducing the in announcing me as that I, I really tried to go with the second for branding purposes. Yeah, I really liked the idea of the Roman numerals remedy to and something that and and just trying to play onto that kind of that wrestling royalty idea, you know, like my father was in such a position of reverence in power in the industry and and it was kind of his lost on me because you know when I was born, you know, he wasn't there or you know he was there, but you know, when I was four years old, I lost him. So I kind of got removed from that that kingdom. So being a wrestling. So I'm just trying to find my place in and just get back into the. So held you twenty four twenty four. So you just had your your watch your leg there. If you spend a few distraction out where you can do so came on the bus like Grizzle. But you just started though though this year, my very first match was December. Thirtieth of two thousand seventeen. Okay. I was like, you know what? We're going end off the year with with one big match and I actually had like a dark match so to speak on December eighteenth, but I did it under under a different name. So I try, Alex King was my name. Tribute to my older sister, Alexis actually passed away and my younger sister Schuyler in her last name king. So I was okay. But you mentioned so. So you're the son of Brian Tillman. The only son direct? Yeah. Brian had five children for children. So my sister. All all the children are half. Okay. My mother had Alexis and in me and Jessie and my dad had Danielle and Brittany and Schuyler is actually of no relation to him. Okay. There's a little misconception online. I think on Wikipedia or something where sky scholars listed as one of his children, but she's completely not biologically related to him. Okay. So what your dad passed away when you were four years old? Yes, it's been twenty years ago. Read, how do you have any memories of your dad at all? Yeah, I, I get that question a lot, and the one thing I can say I do remember is when he was wrestling and address on TV. I was very upset about. I always thought my dad was the coolest. He would never do that. This can't be real, and of course voice, you know, you can never forget that voice. Thank you think he's screaming. Right, but he's not loud. You know what I mean? He has to scream just to be at a normal volume, the other throat injury or something along those lines. They also just growing up. You just a young kid and he had polyps which are like little throat tumors constantly had to be removed. He had, you know, kid little throat, whatever you call jewels, whatever. No, no. No help you breathe. Yeah. So always got made fun of, you know, when he was younger and stuff, and I, I feel like that really hard into him up, but really, what do you mean? Do you have like a little like a tube in there too? Yeah. Oh, wow. So like it would stick out of his throat. That's why he had that that Scarborough. Wow, I came over, they call the ventilator. He actually had the in their interesting, so that kind of gave him that voice for refers scarring the scarring over time that constantly scraping out those little tumors and stuff. So when growing up without him, as you open a Pabst blue ribbon PBR we're in Ohio, man. When did you start realizing that your dad was Brian pill? Man? It was actually non until I got into my twenties. You know, growing up, I knew he was a big deal in wrestling and I and I knew that he was a famous person in that business, but I was more or less thought people would forget about him. I kind of thought, oh, you know, those were different times now. Now, you know, things are changing wrestling so different now, like people would never, you know, they wouldn't remember him. And if they met me, they wouldn't know all Brian Thomann as and I was completely wrong. I was so wrong about that. His followers and his fan base or just. So I wanna say Colt like, but I want to say that in a good way. I want to say a very passionate following and it's almost it's unreal like it wasn't until I was like twenty two or twenty three when I started reaching out, you know, I think I tweeted it lands like, hey, are you? You know, you're accepting students. I'm thinking about getting into into wrestling and it was like somebody just saw that screen, capped, it wrote an article. I had nine hundred new followers like the next day. I remember kind of hearing about this out of nowhere because like you said, you did end up having a little bit of a. The thing with Lance, was that just basically nowhere? Did you just think I want to go to Calgary and train because that's kind of where you dad went to train or. Yes, I thought I thought it would make a lot of sense in in two, I just I did my research, you know? And I was like, who's the best? Like if I want to do this, I'm going to do this all in who's the best trainer. You know, I don't want to go down and get hurt, you know, in some in some rusty old ring, I want to be in the most professional training Byron, and obviously you can't just walk into the w. w. performance centers. Oh, I'm Brian poem. You know what I mean? So I was like, what's the most legitimate way to pay my way and go do this? And and I got in touch with Lance, and he sent me a nice lengthy Email which you know outlined all the pros and cons of this business because I told him I was like, look, I was kind of I was kind of torn away from wrestling. I was I was more or less led to believe by my mother and family that it was bad for me, and it was going to do all this harm to me and it killed my father and all that. And then you meet guys like Landon guys like you that that you know didn't kill you. You're still making a good living op. Two different parallels. You know you guys both started together, right? But you went on different paths, but no, no, no destructive past. And it's just like all these people that say wrestling's terrible are just wrong. And I finally realized that after more or less succeeding at being a normal person, you know, going to college got my degree. You know, sat at a desk job, making great money for a year. I was just like, you know, I was. I got my degree in information systems and business like a minor in business. So I was working on databases for car dealerships all around the western hemisphere. So we worked with Canada, Mexico, and South America, and basically people that worked at car dealerships would have issues with their databases, you know, different things that have to fix with the accounting. I was specifically with the accounting end of this off wear and I would, you know, help them out with that and and solve problems. It was really fun job because I do enjoy technology, but I kept going to the top of the cubicles and coming down on people with lax handles. And they were like, look, you got to. Gotta get outta here and I was like, yeah, you're right. I do so. Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever thought about being a wrestler? But he said when you were kid? No. But when you come in adult, did you start thinking like really should try this? Or were you trying to still ignore those impulses? I want to say I, I wish I would have started sooner because I did have some earlier impulses when I was getting out of high school. You know, eighteen twenty years old, but the the social influence today is to go to college, go to college, all your teachers telling you to go to college. And I saw what happened with my family and in the risks that my father took in how our family ended up in ruins in, you know, in the Pullman name could have more or less died off at that point. So I was like, you know what? I'm not gonna make those, you know, I'm going to at least have a backup plan. I'm going to go to college and I'm going to do all these things that these teachers everybody's telling me and in looking back, I, I don't regret. I don't regret it at all. I think I learned a lot about technology and marketing and business in college, which is ultimately infinitely valuable in the wrestling world as well as far as social. Media and starting up a website starting up a small business. So the every wrestler has just a small business. That's all we are. We're just we're just trying to make our make our make our news and stuff. So I don't regret going to college. I got some debt from it, but hopefully I can use those skills I learned in push forward with that and the wrestling. So when you decided to go to Lance school and he accepted you, but what was it like for you to go to Calgary? For one, the famous rustling city and once again, like we said, the parallels of that's for Brian, your dad went to learn how to wrestle, what was that experience like? And the whole training. The aspect of that it was really cool going up to Calgary as you know, as soon as people heard, got word of it, you know, Bruce Hart was reaching out to me and stuffy. Yeah, he's come by the house. So I got to see where my dad used to live and stuff and where he used to hang out and and actually actually went to a club in Calgary in the city and the bouncer checking my passport and stuff because I actually got robbed my third day in Calgary. I got there early. I got there on like Friday and practice started Monday. So I had the weekend to kinda hang out and get to the city. And it was really beautiful too because it was like the beginning of September and like the terrible winner hadn't hit yet. So it was like perfectly beautiful out. And I went and was going into the gym, and I hadn't picked up a lock yet for like my back and I was like, you know what? I'll just put my wallet in my car. So I go to put my wallet, my glove box. And I guess as I'm walking away unlock instead of lock. 'cause I always kind of point at my caller and lock it, and you know some Hobo or somebody must have seen me do that. And he just when I was in the gym, he just went into my wallet, lost my debit card and my driver's license, all kinds of stuff. So luckily I had my passport at the house because my you know, everybody's like don't ever lose your passports. I wouldn't even bring it out. Because when you when you train with last, he has a house for the guys. Right? So so Lance has a the his house which holds five students. It's pretty nice. Actually. I wouldn't mind staying there. A lot of the guys developed some pretty cool friendships there and stuff, but he also has a network of renters that you ran out and I was staying with woman that he got a pretty nice woman that he had rented out from. But yeah, I had my passport went to the key went to the club and Calgary. Super nice. You know, there's a lot of cool places. Their guy looks my passport. He's like Coon aim, bro. I was like all thinks he's like, you know, like the wrestler, I'm like, yeah, I know. And I'm walking. He's like, you know, you kind of look like you kind of built like him too. I was like, I was like, yeah, I get that a lot. Just walk totally. No sold them. I got, you know, this is long line. On the way out. I kind of smart in them up. I was like, yeah, I'm up here training. You know, my dad and he was actually really upset because he thought my father was a Calgary native. He thought he was born and raised in. It was like, no, he's from Cincinnati, and that's where we're from. And all of that. They thought that they came from Calgary because that's where they started. Oh, yeah, yeah, but that's the first thing I saw today. Like when you came to meet me, we're doing soundcheck here at the venue and no VIP's and stuff, and I'm gonna look around and then I'm like a woman like cannon, which looked like, but not really. This is you walked him like you're built like nine pill, just a wide shoulder those and like the stocky legs. Very interesting to see that right away. People have a mullet. So actually the new, what the Mola we're at practice Atlanta's and he was giving, you know, he gives these lectures about just every aspect of the business, probably the most knowledgeable person in the business because he's just like, you know, just like a computer, you know. And he was like mullets were actually a functional haircut, so you could keep the hair on your eyes and still sell them really well with your with your hair. That's why I had a rat tail because I didn't want all that hair, but I still wanted to be able to sell really well. And that's where to, and then he always, you know, he goes onto something else and data for the mullet. It sounds like you know what it's going to be over his health, so it's functional. Yeah, I, I was. I was flipping my hair back in practice all the time. Yeah, I hate this. I hate doing that and I don't have to do that now. So it's great. But once again to that's a Brian pill, grew it out of the longer bandanna Ramat. Yeah. Would you think of training? How was that for you training? To be honest, I expected a slightly higher level of athletes up there, but he did have he did have about twenty kids. So I think in the past he was a little more selective on on who he allowed to train there, but there was there was about six or seven guys that were really, really keen really smart, really good, but you know, it wasn't as rigorous physically, you know, we did our conditioning and stuff, but it was very mental. You know, we, we had a lot of like a mental homework we had to work on. He wanted us to really think about the psychology and take it back to the roots of wrestling because he's like, when you go out to these India. Shows. He's like, you're not, you're people are going to tell you the wrong stuff. He's like they're gonna steer you the wrong way. I really wanna drill this into your head like how wrestling is supposed to be like how you're supposed to be in the moment and and how a lot of the greater moments in wrestling happened when you when you do things on the fly, and when you really go out there and just believe it's real and just pretend you're in a fight, he's like, what would you do? If this was a fight? Like, what would you actually, how would you naturally react? And he's like, if you just go out there and choreograph everything and he's like, that's not gonna. You know what I mean? It's not gonna, look genuine. It's not gonna look as intense intensity like like, when I see you when I watched like you and you in Ben wall and Japan, and it's just that intensity and just even Japanese wrestling today, it's like it looks like they're beating the hell out of each other and they may or may not be maybe a little bit stiffer than than your average match. But it's just they go out there and they just feel it out, you know. 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And the Westwood One podcast app free from the Westwood One podcast network. Take you play sports in high school at all or in college or so, I played high school football, and I was I was linebacker for the first couple of years, but I was I was only on JV I I wasn't as good at the at the passing game and all that and reading reading the the quarterback and all that. So my coach was like, look, you're, you're one of the one of the meanest hardest, you know, hidden dudes we need. We need you on this defense. Why don't you try defensive line? So I went to the d. line at one hundred eighty five pounds, and I was just manhandling dude. So it ended up in ended up being all star nose. Guard my father played nose guard at Miami of Ohio. So I was just like, this is so cool and they're just only parallels. I'm not. I'm not even trying to be like him, but at some things father-son. Yeah, the truly the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and that just comes to show. So a lot of a lot of similarities with him, a lot of things different to ended up playing lacrosse. My dad played hockey. So hockey wasn't as prominent. Lacrosse was growing starting to pick up in northern Kentucky, and it was funny because the referees, because it was a new sport in Kentucky, more or less, it's more of a northeastern Ivy league type of sport. They didn't know all the rules really. So I was taking my heart hitting football style into lacrosse and they were just like, well, whatever, you know, knocked kit out because you don't have all the pads on. I just have a few pads and you got a helmet and I actually knocked myself out one time just hitting somebody as I would in football because I wasn't sure got into college, played college across. We realize it's way more of a finesse sport, it's way more like soccer, basketball, totally not like football and I, I was like, it's not for me. Did you take to the wrestling training pretty naturally, then some things were natural things weren't, you know? Definitely just because I was so separated from growing up and kind of left a sour taste in my mouth. Just watching it. You know what I mean? So the mental aspects not so much. I still have a lot of homework on the to do on that. But I mean, my first drop kick, I ever threw. It was like it was like Lance looked at it and he just didn't say anything that that's when you know you did it right. If he criticizes you, then you did it wrong. But if he just says, okay, then you know you did it pretty good. So it's like some things like that. You know springboard off the top rope, you know, their appealed easy. Yeah, I, I tried to jump to the top. Yeah, I could never do that. Like like springboard cross body from the inside turnbuckle jumped to the top. You know what I mean? Little things like that. Like I could jump really high, you know, I can run pretty fast. Like I just have natural, you know, explosive athleticism. But as Lance would say, he's got, he's got, he's got all this power gotta. This supposedly issues like you just need to control it. You know, you just need to slow down. He's always like slowdown, grab a hold, you know. All right. You know, it's interesting and I'm sure if you told you this or not a big fan of of your dad. Remember literally when we were training back in nineteen ninety, the springboard clothesline a photographer was not something that everybody news called airfield. Remember last going over to the repealment. I bet you could do. And of course I would fall every time never got it right. And every time he would just like, oh, yeah, being, but that was him practicing the air pill, man? Yeah, I think it was Steve Gillespie. He's like, you know, I love Lance, but you know, really pissed me off every time I teach him. One of my moves he'd do better than me as I dry. Let's be didn't have a lot of moves. Did you meet a lot of people that knew your dad? You mentioned Bruce Hart. Did he tell you any stories or was it was cool and you know he would talk about, you know, all the different things. They used to do different stories about the stampede days as funny because like things he would tell me and different people will tell me would end up in that book too. So I'd be reading the book that that loop. Mark. Right. Oh, I heard about that already. Just firsthand from the people that were there just the different rim. You know, the Calgary ribs, and some of these ribs were just vicious that you heard about how so they said they were. They tricked my dad into doing a, he hated like doing little press things and they, they were like, yeah, we, we got you. You're going to go to the senior's home and and do a speech and talk to all the, you know, the senior citizens and all that. And they, they like totally signed him up for this. And he was like, come on guys, you know, I didn't want to do this. And I guess when he got back from it, they like they dressed up a dog and all his wrestling gear, and they put a bucket of water on top of the door. So it's like he goes into the hotel or wherever they're staying bucket of water drops on them. There's a dog running around with all his wrestling gear on. He's like, what the heck's going on. This old, Calgary ribs, and there there's way worse ones, obviously. Those are some of the more. Yeah, exactly. Did you what did you think of? I think it was just called flying. Brian was Liam, Liam or works book be? I think he called crazy like a FOX. FOX's, Tom Sawyer. Pretty cool starting to read that at some point, the forgot that I had it. So no, these stories, there was very honest story about portrayal of your dad, right? Yeah, very accurate. I talked to Steve Austin about it. He said, very accurate. You know, maybe one of the one of the things that wasn't so accurate was when they were forming the Hollywood blonds dusty came and said, look, you guys are gonna tab gather. And I think in the book it mentioned that Steve didn't wanna do it, or he was kind of like politicking out of it, but he's like, no, no, no, I was totally Ford from the get-go. He told me he's like, he's like, when I came in, your dad was already a star. He's like, I looked up to him. He's like, I wanted to be a part of him. He's like, you know, you walk into the gym and you knew he was somebody you know what I mean? Just saw somebody that was a star and stuff. But so if our reading the book, it's it's awesome because you re you read this book about your father's life. You never knew your father. Right? Never knew he was reading about him and you're just like, is that like it's so much like me, you know what I mean? Like just stupid little antics. I've done when I was younger and my progress. In wrestling and stuff, and I'm just like, well, that's just that's something I would do you know what I mean? I never had the chance to like mimic ham or grow up being raised by emissions, all natural genetics still generically right here. But I mean, Dave Meltzer I think rated that that is like the best or his website rather rated as the best wrestling book ever. And I think that's because it was written by somebody that's not a worker. It was written by journalists, so it was more or less. It's as if like Dave wrote a book, you know, to me, it's going to be more or less factual and less about exaggerating and making up, you know, cool stories. And you know, so it's like the real stories and stuff. So. And you said that you spoke to Steve. Did you call him or did you do is show or how did you get to know him? Yeah. So Steve Austin's, really the reason why is just I said, screw it. I'm gonna get into wrestling hell. What happened. I was I was on Twitter and I really just liked to re tweeted something random. And he happened to have caught me on Twitter and just followed me, and I was like, holy crap, followed by stone cold. Steve Austin is pretty cool. You DM me. He's like, hey, buddy. Her brother, you know, I got this belt of your dad's. It wasn't arresting about it was a weightlifting Bill, do your squats or you're dead lifts with and it says flying on the back of it. It's out my house. I want you to have it. I'm gonna mail it to you. I was like, wow, I was like, super cool. You know. So I get the belt and it's got a, it's got one of the the, the ranch, broken school ranch hats in it. So you know, hooked me up a little merch too, and I'm like, wow, this is so cool. But on of course it fits perfectly and all that. And I'm just like, well, if that's if that's any sign to start looking into getting into wrestling, I don't know what is you know what I mean? You get your first ballot. It's almost like getting your first championship, you know, it's like, but it's a weightlifting belt, so I kind of relate that to that. I still use it everyday. It's really thick, durable other, you know, it'll go a long way. So I, I was like. That's so cool. And then after after I just recently injured my knee, it was the weirdest thing ever I was. I was, you know, rock bottom super, super upset. Three, four months of bookings, just have to cancel them sitting at the end of my bed. This is like, you know, last Thursday, whatever. I get a call from Steve, just out of the blue. You know what I mean? Like, and I'm just like, perfect timing. I needed that. So he kind of gave me some advice on the business and and how he had his problems with his knee and stuff. And he's just like he said, if there's one thing I can tell you about wrestling, he's like, just just remember this. This ACDC song, it's a long way to the top. If you wanna rock and roll. Did you hurt? Is this the new that you today? Yeah, so my my left knee. Yeah, I I was I was just doing something simple. You know, good old kicks in the corner, and I thought I'd be a little innovative and do the little pop up off the bottom rope and and make it look a little more devastating. But I just came to practice at cross fit from four to five, and it's an hour drive to date in practices at six thirty. So literally just showered cross fit came straight here and you need to get that runner's high when you do when you do a high intensity workout. So I was just really ready to go. I actually crazy practice. I actually worked on one of the Northern Lights to my repertoire with with the roll the roll over that Ricky does, but I was thinking maybe do that. But transition is something else. You know, just trying to add some moves because you know it's two thousand eighteen. You gotta have fifty move training. Lance was like, have three moves. All right, drop kick power, slam German. That's that's only and that got me. By for awhile, but I'm like work at all these Indies. They want me to start slapping my leg. Shit. I gotta gotta step it up so you know, adding some different stuff and then the last ten minutes of practice, we're like, hey, let's do a six man tag because there's just six of us in the ring and and the older guys like the coaches had left or whatever. And some guys are doing promos and the other room and other guy gets go, go have some open ring time. All right. Well, we'll six man tag and we were the heels working on some of the newer guys. Don't even think they've had any matches yet. We're just, you know, beating them up and some boots on them. And yeah, just just have just having too much fun in the ring and not thinking and I, it's, it's funny because we try to tell ourselves, you don't think too hard. Go out there and live in the moment and have fun, but sometimes that's when you when you get injured. Yeah, every movie. Do you have to be paying attention to fundamental? So what did you do to it? It was a hyperextension. So you know how your knee bends at just bent the other way and came down on it. Like I said, I was popping off the bottom rope. When I landed, my leg was fully extended and it went backwards the other way and it pulled out my PCL which fortunately is not as crucial as ACL. Oh, they don't even repair it. So they said they're gonna let that he'll up, but he wants to go in surgically and just check on the meniscus. He said the, they couldn't tell from the MRI whether the meniscus was torn. Inaba said there might be a root tear there, so they just wanna make sure. 'cause they're like, look, you're young if we can fix this meniscus, repair it surgically, we're going to do that because if you don't, you might think you're fine. But over time you're gonna get arthritis. And by the time you're forty need a knee replacement. So they're like, look, let's just take care of the meniscus if it needs it, if it doesn't need it, they're going to pull out, close it up. And so how long you have to be out for two three months. If the meniscus is fine if they want to repair them. In this case, it's going to be six months total. The first six weeks I'd be off of it had crutches and stuff. It's frustrating when you're young. Oh yes, she, but because you just basically started. How many matches have you had? So I've had about, I wanna say twenty-six. Okay. But I had like one night. I had like four matches in one night, but you know, it was kind of like, you know, it was done story. I kind of structured it as one big match. So I don't really count that his four home matches. But yeah, I've had about twenty six, twenty seven zero. A lot of work in this area, believe it or not just being in Cincinnati. I'm so so central that there's just within like a four to five hour circle. There's a lot of lot of Indies to work. A lot of places to go. A lot of people are curious to see what I can do in the ring and stuff, and and you know, it was really nervous to inlands warned me about that. Just being having that name. He's like, people, people are gonna. They're gonna tear you down man. He's like, if you're if you're bad, if you go out there and just and shit the bed, he's like, they're gonna. They're gonna crucify. And that really scared me. And I thought about wearing a mask. I thought about changing my name. Like I said, my very first match. I used a different name and then when I went out there for the first time with my with my real legal shoot name, I was like, you know what? These people don't hate me. Love me. You know, I'm not the best. Obviously, you know my my second or third match. I used Bryant home in the second everywhere I've gone. People have wanted me to come back. So that's all I can ask for. I know there's a lot of rough edges clean up, but if the fans are going home happy and they wanna see me again and the bookers and promoters are happy, then I'm happy and everybody's. What could be not a detriment being the second generation you obviously you're gonna get compared, but but if you're good, that's going to help you being appeal man? Yeah. If you're the shit's, it's gonna probably hurt you to be just getting a chance, but is if you can take that name value in in harvest that it's going to help your career. Oh, yeah, you know. And that's the good thing about it. And I, I got the pleasure of meeting Cody Rhodes when I was in Canada booked on a show in Calgary him and his him and his girlfriend or wife rather, sorry were booked on a show up there and he was like, hey, man, look, look, you know, I, I know all about it. You know, the guys like us, we're, we're held to a higher expectation and he's like, it doesn't hurt you that your father passed away. He's like people, they miss him and stuff. He's like, he's like, don't take advantage of it, but he's like, it's not gonna hurt you. He's like, yeah, he's like he's like the fact that that you're somebody that's trying to start, you know, and you're trying to pay your dues and. He can go to the right training and stuff. He's like, you're doing all the right things, you know. So he was really nice to meet and talk talk to. We sat down on the floor and you know how nice little talk about that. So many second generation wrestlers them. You look at Orton and you look at, you know, all the Samoan guys, Roman reigns. Everybody like that. Once in a while, you'll get a guy like David flair that just doesn't connect. But I found that most second generation wrestlers are pretty good. And even though you didn't grow up in the business per se, he mentioned before it's just in your genes genetically cut out for it. You know, where did you? What was your first match? My very, very first matches. Alex King was in the CW AI warehouse against Cody hawk who was actually the trainer of dean Umbro's so that that's his credibility goes there, and it was really cool, you know, call it all on the fly. That's how those older older guys are. And to me, that's that's a really intense fun way to wrestle. And then my second match our was December thirtieth. I was like, look, I'm coming out in the second. Wrestled a kid. I was eighteen years old. Had already been wrestling three years, super knowledgeable. You know, we, we spotted out a bunch of cool stuff. I actually did a springboard sunset flip, which Lance told me to do. He was like, look, do this. Nobody does this. He's like, nobody actually goes up to the top into the sunset. They're gonna think you're going to go for like a move, but you're right, you know, catch him in a penalty. Alright, so did that actually did your move? Which people, I guess, call it the triangle drop kick or the springboard Roskam Twitter. Now. I always love when you when they it's called the triangle drop you like really. At that vented, it man that so actually I didn't invent Ultimo. Dragon was the first guy do that from the second row, but I used to do it right from the top. Oh, and then as I got older and I would fell a couple times, you would actually run and jump straight without a post, and then I realized it's the same this when you do on from the second, it's funny you bring that up that you quit doing it from the top. I was. I was looking at some of your old Japan stuff and you did the lion soul to the outside of the ring. And I know did you stop doing that? Because triangle position like running, like you're gonna do drop because the second, but then flipping over the top. And I don't remember who gave me the idea that I did it for years, but the last time I did, it was a pay per view. I had against Ben one ninety six. I think it was my first WW pay per view, and I tried it and I misjudged they came down kind of on the apron, and it was like, that's enough of that. Looks it looks risky. Did it quit all throat ninety? Four and ninety five? Okay, so but you know. When you're younger shit, you know. Do you do that? That is obviously your dad was one of the pioneers of high flying. You look back now and it's very archaic. No, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But is that your style you? Are you flying like he was or I, I really enjoy looking at guys that are current wrestlers today that are my my size, my height, you know what they're doing. Kind of that hybrid style guys, like Kenya, mega guys like yourself that can kind of do it. All and land kind of broke down means like, look, you're not huge. You're not small, you're right down the middle. He's like, you're gonna have to do whatever people want you to do, whatever it calls for big man matches little matches. He's just try to learn everything. I was very curious about more of the technical side. You know, like I wanted to learn different legholds and stuff like that, but I do. I do like I do have a pretty nice drop kick. I like to utilize that. I like to utilize a good snap power slam kind of taking a page out of Randy Ordonez book and I wanted to land. I wanted to learn German, like mid, he told me he's like, don't do German if you're just gonna laugh. In on your back and then bridge up. He's like, it's not a German. He's like a real German is when you land in the bridge on your head, and it looks really pretty, and I'm like, look, I'm gonna do that. I promise you. So he wouldn't let us do it at his training because he wanted to be breaking her neck, but I started utilizing it in my matches and it went over pretty well. You just I'm very flexible. I got a nice bridge. So working on, you know, at indifferent, different suplexes and stuff. Just utilizing my flexibility. I think I've done like over two hundred classes of hot yoga. Super. I, it's a crazy freak accident that I got injured because I'm just like always keeping my body. Finally two, whether it's cross fit or yoga and stuff. But but yeah, I think I have a very hybrid mic style. Is my fourth or fifth match? I don't know if you've heard of the wrestler, Joey. Genoa. Independent. Yeah. He was like, look, he's like, I know you know, you don't wanna get hurt or anything, but I want you to just jump to the top cross body to the outside. I'm gonna push in the barricade dive over the barricade. I'm like, all right, let's do it. So it's like Lance is teaching us. All right, don't do all these dogs and everything. Just keep it. Basically, fourth match, third match. I've already done to dives outside. Here's the difference though. You learned properly. You understand the foundation, the foundation, the initial stages of psychology. So you know that it's too, but you're doing it because like you mentioned, you have to make a name do, but that's going to end up in the long run, helping you become a much better performance because you're going to figure that out very quickly would sometimes days guys years to figure out. Yeah, you know, I had joy on the show and he's, he's another just kind of whether it's just these making all this stuff happened just by making it happen, he just gets it. Yeah, exactly. So is there you're gonna try. And go like worldwide to talk to the UK sort of an idea you strong to stick to the states for now. So I'm really interested in just the Japanese the route I, I really enjoy their wrestling. I always end up watching Okada or or Kenny or Shibata. You know what I mean? So I really like that style. I almost it my my suspension of disbelief is almost instant when they watch those matches and I, I just get lost in it. So I've had the opportunity through through somebody to perhaps censored film over to to Guito and maybe get get on with their with their program over there, but, but that's obviously going to be on hold right now with my injury and I, I do want to. I do want to generate some some really high quality matches and footage before I start sending stuff over there. So which is smart. You know, it's interesting to think about something you did you tied with David Smith junior, or are you going to or. So you know everybody in their brother claims to be a promoter Booker nowadays. So I was contacted by a gentleman in London, and he said, hey, we're going to bring in contacted Harry Smith. We're gonna tag is together and all that, but but that fell through. So it was, it was cool. I got to meet Harry up in Calgary, so we hung out a couple of times. One time was at a show. He was book on Jeff Jarrett were on the show are CW wasted it. Actually, there's a couple of headlines I was I was present for up there. It was the one where Jarrett was was drunk or whatever, but God bless them. You know, he's, he's got help and everything hall of fame so proud of him. But the other one was in Harry, save that woman's life on the bridge. Tell us so so Harry, you know, he's, he's dressed in this blue fool. Komono suit, looks like a superhero when he shows up to the shows. That's, you know, he dresses when he shows his wrestling shows, he's in full white mink for just the whole, the. Whole twenty yards of how how luxuriance can. And he's like, yeah, he's like you wanna meet up and watch the pay per view tonight. I can't remember which one it was, but I was going to hang out with Bruce Hart and Harry and Diana. Yup. No, his mother and there were that someone one of the old TV dot TV, but cameraman that worked for stampede. So just a mold friends getting together. And I was like, all right, so I'll meet you there. I get there and he's like meet there at six thirty. We'll take seven o'clock. He's not there yet. You know, pay per view about to start and maybe start something like where's the at? And finally, they pull up and he comes in the house and him in him and his mother, and he's just shaking. And we're just like everything. Alright, he's like, hey, man. He's like, you got one other one of those beers. I just need to chill out. So I give him a beer and you just sit down and it's just like he's on his phone. He's like, you know, like this dudes like shake and I'm like, what's going on? And then finally break it down and he's like, yeah, I just saved this woman's life off this bridge who's going to commit suicide. We were driving by and you can just imagine like he looks like a superhero. He gets out of the car. He's six foot five. Dives honor, you know, probably puts her in some jujitsu move and just like, you know, you can't escape. So don't even try just expert. I couldn't escape if that man, he's, he's an absolute monster and just what are the nicest people. And he told me all the cool restaurants to go to the Persian food. And there's a little bit of a connection between you guys because his dad passed away, obviously, Davey and team together for years, you know, I, it's almost like you could start a club with with Ben was son and with. Own son, his son. I don't know if he's even knows anything, but what's going on with restaurant remember. But this whole crew guys that have all passed away and have these these sons that are around, you know, there's so much potential with the hearts. Like you said, there's so many hearts in Calgary, like John Hart, Matt heart. You know, all these, you know, they had twelve kids and then those twelve kids each had twelve case. So it's like. So it's like five hundred arts and. Yeah, you never. You're never done meeting them all and and stuff. But yeah, a lot of a lot of potential with people, and I think some people, some people don't want to do the same thing that their parents did or maybe they're, you know, they're tired of being compared to their to their through their parents and so they want to, they want to branch out into different things, and I understand that and all that. And you know, maybe maybe if I grew up with my father, I might have been the same way like all know. You know, my dad's trying to show wrestling down my throat, push it, push it away, but but since I was taken away from it for so long, it's like maybe he's like, I'm a starving forever for my whole life. I was starving. And now it's like all these fans or connecting with me. And it is your mother still alive? Yes. Oh mother, you know, it's quite a long story with her. Haven't had the best relationship with her, you know, without getting into too many details, just a lot of neglect in abuse from my stepfather ended up moving out of the house when I was thirteen live with my best friend, Paul for a couple of years. Yep. And live with him and his single mother who took care of me more than anyone had at that point. And that's when my my grandmother passed away. So then my aunt which is my dad's sister, her name is Linda Filmon. She's basically my guardian angel. The closest thing I've ever had to other and she came down and took care of me. She bought a whole house with her, you know, with her whole retirement, you know, just bought a house right off the front cash. You know, here you go. Who was like? I want you to be able to go to this high school. You know, really nice highschool at Dixie heights and keep your friends and keep playing football and lacrosse and stuff. So I've really got to thank her for just having that foundation for me in the same sense, like her mother, my grandmother did that for my dad, you know, like have a base for him or he could stay while he was pursuing wrestling and stuff like that. What did what is your at, Linda think of what you're getting into the business? Oh, she loves it. And it's funny because growing up, I would've never thought that how much she knows like she knows a lot about wrestling and stuff like she even knows all the lingo, but she would never. Say that around me, but now that I'm in the business, she liked gets it all, you know. So it's cool and she's, she told me all your dad. He, he tore his shoulder. He was out for three months and he was studying. It's like, you know, it's like literally the same story. You know, like tear out my neom. We offered three to six months, so, and it's it's so different. Alec you guys used to have to like mail each other tapes and stuff like you guys have to. You have to send mail and I, I've never sent mail on my whole life so I have the luxury of just looking up online. Oh, I wanna watch AJ. I wanna watch. I want watch these guys. I just do it at the click it a finger, and I think a lot of us younger guys. We take that for granted. You know, we, we think all know. I'll just look it up later something we don't actually realize how much work you guys put in to to build this industry to really just create it. You know, you guys did so much. Gee, whatever watch your dad's stuff. Yeah, I, I watch a lot of it. It's funny because I always ask people, what is your? What are your top ten favourite best wrestling matches of all time. And they always include my dad's mashed with lighter on there, and I've probably watched that match five hundred times because I'm just like what was the most innovative thing in high flying at that period of time? And you watch it and it's like, okay, and then you washed up today and it's like, oh my gosh, you know, just interesting match have versus ligers. Yeah, no, it's always funny when you see guys that you knew and their kids are growing up, and I'm not quite that generation with and own those guys, but it's still pretty cool to me. I remember going to pay per view in late nineteen ninety at the silver dollar action centre in Calgary summer, slam it see this little kid running around dirt over his face just causing shit is probably three or four years old and it was airy, no. You know what I mean? But the best film and match for me was the five on five, Calgary, stampede match the papers for w. eight. Okay. The Hart foundation? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Crowd reaction was insane. Brian was such a good character. Yeah, I think that's why there's been this resurgence in interest it Brian pill Mun a when he was younger. He was a great rest, but his older and if you got hurt, he relied more on his personality and character very important. I think that speaks to the longevity of people's careers. You know, just like, you know, it's not all about the moves and stuff like people at home is your dad's finisher. I'm like, have finished us back. Then the air Pullman was just a signature move. You know, he did a lot of head scissor stuff and he, he dove on people and job kicks, but but back then it was more about getting the crowd in the palm your hands. And I feel like his greatest talent was he owned the crowd. You know what I mean? He just had them in his grasp, very believable character. You know? And of course, the famous story where. Did you hear the podcast, Dave Meltzer boat? Oh yeah, I loved it. Just the fact he was able to work the whole industry into getting w w Bischoff to fire him because he was trying to work everyone. They got fired, and then taking those fire papers and going to get hired by Vince. I mean, it's one. It's one of the most genius double crosses of. He will work in the worker. Can never happen again. You know? No, no, not with all the all the bells and whistles incorporate red tape and day. But, gee, I wonder how he would have tackled social media because I've actually, I've read an article that he was on AOL and had like a fan base on AOL group chat. So it's like he was social media before social media recession, media, you know? So it was doing all this before Facebook and he kind of had them and he would feed them stuff. Whether it was a worker, you know, stuff in my mom would you know, kind of mandate the groups while he was on the road and stuff like, oh, you know, he's coming in a couple of days and stuff. So I was wondering, I mean, he would have just owned social media so he would have found a way because like so many people tell me all your dad was ten, twenty years ahead of his time. And I'm like, well, what would that be like today? What would he have been today? So a lot of ways I think you're right ahead of his time, which is why he was able to pull it off. You know, like you said to me, I remember. Actually devote my fourth book. She's just came out of Skuld knows a four letter word and it's principles of things that I've learned over the years on how I made it in, did others different things. And they're all bits of advice that either I got from person a fictional character, famine, irreverent, one of them is the Brian Tillman principle, which is he always wanted if you wanted to vacate, do something out to citizens have been done before down before. And that's what he told me in only very minimal interactions. I only met maybe one day his last day and he CW was my first basically, and that's the only time we ever interacted, and that was the advice that he gave me and I just never forgot it, but very, very smart piece of piece of intelligence there for sure. Yeah. I remember hearing on the podcast and me and my buddy kinda speculated, but now ask you what, what was that one thing that you think you did in your career that that nobody else had done? It's just one thing. I think it's always just playing against against. Type, you know, always reinventing myself always, you know, different costumes. If our different log every week or whatever it may be just trying to be different different else. And if you look through my body of work, there is differences different move here. They're different. Look, different personality, completely ditching, you know, all this, why? Tuesday character and coming on a suit and tie me very quiet, be very angry and you know, very, very pill. And like even this year wanna do the thing with Kenya. Mega Meltzer said it was a very pill thing. Everybody show up. Yeah, you know, but that wants to influence guy that's been gone for so many years. But here you are coming in. The thing that I like, I like you've just met today is obviously smart. You got a college degree. You're not just some guy that's like just trying to make a couple of bucks brother like you have making this decision, but you also did it very smart with this pressure of being a pill, man. Yeah, it's funny. I just talked about having. And having a backup plan. When I when I met Christian at create a pro, one of the one of the matches I create a pro is Pat buck in curt Hawkins. They have a school in in the northeast. Yeah, Zork tristen came into being a trainer gets they actually did a. They did a show. They did like a charity show. And Christian was like a guest like meet and greet title. I met him and it was funny. He was like, I did the opposite. He's like, I like I took out my student loans and didn't go to college. He's like, I, I didn't want to back up plan. He's like, I wanted to even fail or just, you know, he, he, he's like my only option was to succeed in wrestling. So I kind of like that and I was like, you know what? I wish. But in a way everything you know though, because I meant Jesse the body Ventura on the street in Winnipeg one day, just walking on the street, like holy shit is just to the vendor, and he was really cool. He hung out with me way longer than I would ever hang out with some kid that came up to me on trying to get rid of the kid. But he said, you know, you gotta have something to fall back on and I went into journalism school, but the skills I learned in journalism paid off even what we're doing right now. So everything that you've done, we'll help you in the business, like you mentioned, knowing social media and technology and all the stuff too smart move. Who were some of your favorites when you when you started really watching wrestling? So when I was younger, I was, I loved, I loved the hardy boys, obviously just loved him to death. I eat. I try not to be a super Mark when I go to these shows and meet people because like all them in the business. Now, you know, trying to ask him for a picture, but but I couldn't help, but get picture with Matt and Jeff, and you've met them before in the coolest thing was at the at the memorial shows when. A young kid. I know you, you repair one of them. One of the early ones and I, I went in out them out with them in their entrance with the heart of San leader and everything. Yeah. So there is, I think these early on, so I was probably five or sales. These are one of the very first ones because they, they went on a hiatus for a while and then ten years later they did another one and I was thirteen and ninety nine. So tiny, nine. So I would have been, yeah, been six or seven. Yeah. And so I've always had a soft spot for for Matt and Jeff and just meeting them. It was cool because they had just got dead just went to wrestlemainia and got those belts, but they did Abebe was like, look, you can finish your indie days. And I think it's cool that there's so much crossover now like this would have never happened. You know, years ago would never let you go somewhere else and you know they're, they're starting to realize that the competition is benefiting everyone, you know. So they let them finish out there any dates. I'm like, holy crap. All tag team titles hanging out with them. And you know, just just in this is before I even started training, you know. So just kind of just enjoying that. But b, I really enjoy them. Obviously, like watching my dad and stuff. I really like I'm very inspired by Kenny omega. I don't. I don't know what what it is. Maybe he reminds me a little bit of my father, you know, obviously, you do. Yeah, I do want your moves in the ring. So clearly I'm inspired by by your you and just your hybrid that hybrid style of just being able to do it all and and just also the the larger than life personality. I think I, I really relate to that kind of that rockstar lifestyle, or, you know, just going out there and being so confident that people just hate how confident you are. You know what I mean? You're right. Leading confidence that it's just like they, they wish they had it. So it's like you're almost like you're, you're almost a he'll, but you're really like, people want to be used. So you're really not a, he'll you know, you're just like, I love you, but I hate that. I love you. You know. Do you now that you're, you have the injury for three months? What are you? Gonna? Do you're going to study something or it seems like you're not just going to sit there. Yeah, yeah. So actually my I have this idea that was going to do, and I was watching some demon like, oh, and Crispin wall stuff. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to actually take a like a PowerPoint or something, and I'm going to find every hold I can and it'll probably just be a bunch of slides at dean, but like I'm gonna you know, I saw TJ Perkins doing some cool stuff, and I just really want to step up my technical game because I think I could do that injured. I could find a buddy and just put holds on them and you know, not not not be running around, so I'm gonna do that. I'm going to do a slide show. I'm gonna take a picture and put different holds. I'm going to name them all because so many of them don't have names. You know, we just do them and we don't even think about it, but commented on Jay's picture. I was like, oh, what do you call that? A curve crab because it was like a single web crab, but he hadn't cravat hold on it and he was like, oh, I didn't even think about that. We'll we'll call it that. So I'm gonna just name all these holds. I'm gonna try to get a foul. Thousand of them. By the time I'm back thousand hold sound and one thousand four holes, but forgot about seven hundred. You're going to be the literal thousand nine of those. Good exercise and just just taking notes on matches. You know, different ways to get into stuff like like I, you know, watch mash unit j AJ he's just phenomenal. Right? And that's the word is striving stuff. Yeah. And it would, you know, wouldn't matter what he will or what he did. It's just it's just he's just good as good. Yeah, he's one of those special talents different ways to get into those setups with that with with different drop kicks and stuff. You know, I try to keep it simple. You know, I, I don't. I'm not the the flippy est person ever. I do want to be. I aspire to do the things you know to have all the moves that Ricky has. I know that that kids wrestled for twenty, you know, fifteen years and he's, you know, we still really young. So I mean, it takes time, you know, it takes time to add to your repertoire safely add to your repertoire. I, I got injured doing a kick in the corner, you know? So it always. So I just got a slowdown. I think I was. I think I was going to fast. Everybody goes too fast, but there's not. You just can't help. Not not just in the ring just just with getting booked and travel. You know what I mean? Just not even second guessing where I'm working. I went to a show, you know, not not trying to dog on any promoters or anything, but I get there in. You get paid right off the bat, but they had to cancel the show, four hundred something fans or in this building shows suppose start seven thirty, but the doctor didn't show up. So it's like I need a vet any vet where I'm going more. I need to slow everything down. And I think that this was my wakeup call. This was my putting the brakes on it so to speak. I would have rather have like slowly put the brakes on it and said of rear ending somebody. But I just went right at somebody. And now I gotta you know, pay the insurance and pay the medical bills. And what's your, what's your overall plan? What's your end game? I think I think I wanna make this into make this into a career obviously, but where the whoa, yeah. Yeah. We all wanna make it to to the WWE. And I, I think I think that would be a great place for me just so many guys would would be willing to to help. Navigate that that political structure, you know, guys, like regal guys, like, I think it's funny. I actually go ahead and say this now I believe that triple h change my diapers when I was a kid. So. So, yeah. So I think the the one year that they were in WCW together, I tried to add up the cause. My mother told me this, right? So sometimes she says, things they may or may not be true, but but I when I met Shad Gaspard he's like, you better. Tell him that when you meet him, that'll be cool. So I think I think just as far as coming back to the wrestling family, I think going to the WB is his where a lot of my father's friends and family members, Brian is almost everybody liked him. You know, you mentioned regal the talked to regal. Yeah, so I got in touch with regal and he, he actually before I started training with Lance, he offered for me to tour the performance center. So I went down there and checked it out was like, wow, it's amazing, you know, and I'm not. I'm not someone that's just going to be like, hey, you know, give me a job, you know. So I was like, you know, I talked to one of their producers, Ryan cats, and he was like, he was like lances a great place to go get your nation. And he was like, when you're ready, you know, just send us some stuff when you're ready and I've yet to send them anything. I want my first impression. With them to be to be just top notch and you gotta look up to, like I said, if you show some potential, you'll get a shot. Yeah, because a you deserve it and you've earned it and be there's a lot of goodwill towards towards Brian Tillman. Yeah, sometimes at p. word potential you can be. It can be harmful and yeah, and everybody's blowing that you know blowing that smoke up of me and and they got all this potential, this pedigree, but but I think I think it really started to show when I when I stepped through the curtain for the first couple of times and I was like, okay, I've really do have somewhat of an factor. It's not just a bunch of people that loan smoke them. Yeah, you know, do you think that I would say to some of the guys, there's no rush, you know, WBZ not going anywhere. Yeah. Would you rather to around, do AJ did do it's KENNY'S doing or would you rather go quicker to the WB? What's what's kinda curious, your thoughts? I think I would benefit from a just like, you know, having gone to college in had had a corporate job before. I think I would benefit from the structure the WWE. I think it would ground me. I think I'm somebody that without without those limitations and without that added discipline, I might not progress as quickly, but I also do enjoy the freedom of independence in the traveling and then going different places and and really experiencing that and not everybody has the name and stuff the ability to market themselves worldwide. But you know, like fat people in in France in Europe, contact me in Germany to go over there. So it's like, why not? You know what I mean? Why not travel? Why not send some tapes over to new Japan and just see what I. Can do maybe get get involved with their program because like you said, WBZ not going anywhere. Got some some ties and some connections there and and that to me like you look at, you know, you look at guys that like AJ you know, ricochet they wrestled for fifteen twenty years before they ever made it there, but they were the best wrestlers ever before they went there, but that's like, yes, Joe, you guys like that. So it's like there's any look at my dad. It didn't matter what acronym he was working for. He was always on top, you know, top of his game and always trying to be the best, whether it was easy WWW you know, NWEA whatever WWF it was. You're always trying to be the best you can be. And I think if you try to live a life where you're, oh, I'm gonna make it to this destination, and then I'm, I've made it. Then you're gonna. You're gonna fall by the wayside. It should just be a constant always always trying to be on top and and the different places you go. There's no final destination. You know, like you are now a singer in Iraq star. Like you might not have thought that when you arresting and stuff. If you're like, oh, I'm just going to try and make to WB, but but now you're just like keeping going and going doing new things, different avenues. And with technology, we have the ability to to branch out into those things more easily. And I think that's what it's going to be last few things. What's the? What did you learn the most from the legacy of your dad reading these books, watching videos interviews that you've seen like the most about my dad. What? What did you learn from him from this business? As characters and left lettuces them of mindset. I mean, is there something that by Brian pill and your dad, I guess you from? Yeah, on the grave. So, yeah. Yeah, I, I guess the the biggest thing I've learned and it's kind of helped me grow growing up without a father is probably the one of the most detrimental things too young man just because sure. And I hate to say this, but a single mother cannot raise a boy to be a man that she can raise a boy and feel like you see that in our gener- in our generation today, see a lot of soft soft guys, you know, growing up and I think what I've learned. From his story is just how tough he was and how how hard and how much of it was truly an alpha. He was an alpha male and I, it's because he sought out mentors. He sought out guys, like Kim would, yes, he sought out all these older men who who really live that, you know tough lifestyle and really grew up with that. So I think that's the biggest lesson without him. I need to find a older guys in the business guys that that express their masculinity and don't don't hold back in early, like you said, like say, no, you know, no one to say no. Like so many people. They wanna be the nice guy. They wanted to favors for everybody, but you gotta know when to say, no, you gotta know into stick up for yourself and and he was a fighter too. He was a tough son of a gun. I mean, you read that book. It's like he was a streetfighter. He, you know, he break people's arm at the bar. They talk and he was, you know, it wasn't huge guy back then. You know, it's crazy to think that I go to shows in wrestling and people consider me huge and I'm to fifty to fifteen. Yeah, shape too. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, I just I, you know, I just need to keep that. Keep that mental mindset of being on top and being a strong and knowing when to tell people know and people want me to come out and work for free. Just be like, you know, like, you know, this is a business like my father didn't die for wrestling. So I could go work your Indy for zero dollars. 'cause you think, oh, I'm going to get some exposure. You know, it's like in a lot of guys, they're working for free now and Lance hates that. He's like, he's like, if you leave here, don't go work freeze. I, you know, killed our business and stuff. And and I just think it just it's place to the social, the social culture of today and and we need to, we need to bring back our roots and and go back and talk to Lance at all. Yeah, I miss his all the time and and he's busy with students, but he always gets back to and it's funny because he's really Hobie short with you and messages. But when he talked him in person, he could just talk for hours and they can't get him to shut up. But it's like he, I guess he doesn't like typing. But as soon as you talk to them in person, it's like, you know, he can go on forever. He loves. He loves talking, but just so much and he's willing to impart it to, you know, you got some of these old school guys that. They want you to figure it out. You know, they wanna speak in riddles and stuff, but the Lance isn't like that. He really, really this breaks it down and you know, he's a great teacher. I think he was definitely made to do that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he trying w he trained. He brought up a lot of the women on the women draws through it and the WGN stuff. He just any any of these very good at teaching specifically the women on how to be how it'd be better workers, better athletes and stuff. So I think he's benefiting this industry as a whole. Last question. What's your favorite match that you've ever had? My favorite match I've ever had is probably my twenty six. My most recent one where I won my first champion. So yeah, so it's funny. I had my technically my first match on December eighteenth which is stone colds birthday, and then I won my first belt on March sixteenth, which is Austin three sixteen day. So I won this bell and it's funny because they didn't even tell me I was going to win it. They're just like, yeah, we're going to Jonathan's going to defend his title, Jonathan. And wolf, and it was actually the first time I wrestled somebody for the second time. So you know the first time it's like, okay, we, we're timing was off on a few things, but then you get that person's timing. So then this one was even better. So this is the first time I've had the chance to improve upon working with somebody and you know, we, we got it was a no d. q. match. We got all our shit in had so much fun. DDT him onto the floor. You know it was. It was cool and his goes the WCW. Oh, championship w. w w w. Oh yeah. World world class wrestling outlaws and Indianapolis promotions has been around for thirty years or something. Yeah. So his father wrestled and his father father wrestled, and they've kind of it's the kid arrested, wolf had John so his, his grandfather was Indiana kid, I believe. And he, I k three, the third generation and he's only eighteen but kicking work. You got all you go to these matches long time. Getting work, doesn't kid. He's my vet and he's, he's calling all the speech calling all the stuff on the fly, but he's letting me call. Stuff and, and that's that's why I think it was my best match because we had a bunch of spots. But if we just did our spots, it would have been a ten minute match. We want it's twenty four minutes. I've only had one other Twenty-three minute match, but always enjoy going as long as I can. Maybe one day I can go our. Get blown up good stuff, man, you're the WCW champion Brian film. In the second dude, you got to go. You got a lot of a lot of good things coming for you in the future, and I appreciate your brother. I've had. It's been quite a uplifting time here. You know, like I said, it was kind of devastated with my injury, but if I can kind of keep marketing myself in stay on the social media and work on my my whole book and stuff. Yeah, few learn thousand holes. Do. List them. Man, I fo- Bryant Bilman the second on Twitter, he's at fly in Bryant, junior, so you can check him out in the ring, wants his knees, flea rehab, which it is. 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Classic Album Clash - Van Halen "1984" vs "5150" with Steel Panther
"The Jericho network on Westwood One. Tall. Tall recall. Ricco. All right. Welcome to jock Jarrett goes to pot of thundered rock and roll, and it's backed by popular demand, the classic album clash and this time it's all about van Halen. I got still had their singer Michael star and gets our players satchel along with Bazi guitar player, rich ward here to break down a debate, the merits of nineteen Eighty-four versus fifty. One fifty David Lee Roth final record versus Sammy Hagar's. I recognize tar souls versus keyboards producer, Ted Tambo men versus Mick Jones of foreigner. And of course they do the song by song debate with the final vote at the end, you can way into hit us up on the Twitter at talk Jericho. Let us know what songs you like which album is your favorite Seaview agree or disagree with me, rich satchel and Michael star. And of course they'll get so much more than just are take on van Halen, your stories about how l. I got introduced vandalised music. 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So come check it out as we wind down the juice rising to us been going from us nineteen months at that point in time, Fayza rock dot com for all ticket information, including all the information, how you can come hang with us, get a private concert before the show. Hang out with us, meet us, take pictures. I'll sign whatever you want. Go to fuzzy rock dot com and check all the information. It's already sold out in Sydney and Melbourne for the VIP's. But if you're in Brisbane, Adelaide Auckland or all the Canadian dates, we still have plenty of spaces available for the VIP being greet fuzzy rock dot com. So go check it out. We know how to rock and roll and van Halen knows how to rock and roll. We're getting ready to do. Right now the classic album clash nineteen Eighty-four versus fifty one fifty and we start now. I'm still making rich and he did the same thing for the Ozzy classic of class. You're very studious guy when it comes to these. I think that that of the nerd factor needs to be high with at least one individual now view. I think Michael has satchels Mike. Well, you know, what is his mind going? Yeah, we start. This isn't we already? We don't have big interests here. We can't afford them. Posted, we can post what's your co show? Gosh, I'm autism stuff. And with this, we're in the middle of great to urge, you know, yesterday was the middle show or is it really? So now we got run the last half of the tour. Wasn't that amazing. It was great show yesterday. I feel like yesterday show was kind of a climax. What do we play mantra? No Munich munitions. Great mantras degrade tower after the show. Who tell you man? Really? Yeah, you do. It was killer big party after the show big party catering. The one show that I didn't stick around for weird. You weren't there. I was wondering is kind of weird because it was three hanging out with those Motors hanging out, you know, lots of promoters. Yeah, really cute guys. Their super hot dudes. We were. This is actually it's half Ozzy have still panther. We could form a supergroup guitar players, two singers. The definition of. Grab diso rhythm guitar real quick on this. We went to a German fancy pants German restaurant with the famous German promoter Ozzy hope up up, and it was great, great guy, and you know the coolest thing about going with promoter, they're required to pay for everything. Exactly. It's the only time where you get some of your money back. That's right. If it's the record company, you know you're paying your paying for this the promoter, like at least you know, because he's he's ripping us off anyways. So at least you get some of it back, but he's a super sweet do great time. It was breaks bread with the ban be with you, missed you, man, great. Having dinner, the guys, I wish you wouldn't have were like this tight little short. She wore there didn't know what to wear for gym. I thought leader hosing was was proper that with those were well. Yeah, Jeremy, right. And they may eighteen pink leader, a big leather leader, those shorts. Yeah. Yeah, somebody gave me a per shores like that really black leather black leather leader, and there's there's still pather song in there's somewhere to speed up pink leather leader. It really is. Reminds me of David Lee Roth back in when he comes out. And did you see that one video when it comes out in the leader Holden from here, or is it is that when he's he's bar holding a leader of like buff hosing. Okay. It's the classic van Halen from late nineteen seventy. I was walking down the street. I think it might be in the hall under something. He's like, excuse me, sir. You aware of the American rock band, van Halen, because occupants trying to Stein's Jane. No idea what he's talking about, but we're, we're talking about today as great segue here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Van Halen and the classic album clash, which we had a couple ideas for and we settled on nine hundred eighty four versus fifty. One fifty the last David Lee Roth record, and the first Sammy Hager records. So numbered records to which is ironic because access transposed both records have numbers in their title ES right. And if you add those two numbers up, do you know what number you get six six. The number of the beast is weird. That's really crazy. And everybody that makes we never really thought van Halen was into that sort of thing, but they might have been the worst out of all them because van Halen Dutch means devil driver. Yeah, you didn't know. Yeah, you didn't know fun devil and Halen being meaning future quenches transition. But it's interesting to you because I guarantee at least one of us here has a password on our phone or about this one credit card. I've changed my passwords to nineteen fifty one. Not my birthday. No dude. I change it. I'm not gonna tell you what it is. Isn't that that is? I'll tell you what well, that's still on my favorite moments in by podcasts history. When we were doing one with with steel panther, I had to check the time on my phone. So I've had to put my password and Ralph goes, what's your? What's your password? I see goes a bet you can guess it. And I said, well, bet you can guess yours because there's only two passwords in Iraq or has fifty twenty one twenty twenty one twenty years is fifty. One fifty fifty anymore. Right. Opened my thumbprint. Okay. Okay, so you can't get tattooed fifty fifty on. But I did did change my password to nineteen eighty nine eighty four. Nine hundred eighty nine. Eighty nine. That record, that's the year when everything was at its height for heavy metal. It's the best time nineteen Eighty-nine interesting. Nobody saw coming. Wow. Later was done John. That's the year ahead, my my penis reduction surgery as well. So it's kind of a cool, thanks for years to mind. I'm Rashid. Richest didn't take that had four donors. His body keeps rejecting the pianist. Yeah, Jackson is, yeah. Percentages are high. Never quit. Right. Never quit. Let's talk a little bit about our love for van Halen. You guys are fan hill and disciples on the Panthers side of things. I would. I would assume when did you start listening to van Halen you? I bet members of van Halen, etc. I'll go forward. You tell you want me to tell. Yeah, you go, I if accidentally call satchel Ross's because it's my pet named forum in fact. So they call Michael Ralph, it's because my other three. Ralph, it's because I'm confused. I sometime and if this is all talk and vice sometimes called Michael bitch, it's working relationship. That way. It's okay. Ross. Ross, listen bitch, what, what you call? Here's an example. He was just using it as an example. Van Halen warrant. But the first thing I heard from van Halen was the rupture, and actually that's the way it should be our player. And I was like, where did you hear that? I heard swimming pool. It sounds weird in the pool, the water number two years. Like it was at the swimming pool, and I was, I actually had a strangely enough. I had a Speedo on looked very much like your leader hose than the other night. Nice. And I was just cruising around showing the ladies my John your eight year old junk. It was thirty two at the time. But yeah, I remember hearing it and just being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's going on there? And you know that was it. Well, let's talk about this for a second because you think about nine hundred eighty four. Sorry about your option. And now it's it's, you know the greatest guitar solo ever. But when you first heard this, if you were of age hearing it in nineteen seventy eight. No one had ever heard anything like that before on guitar. Correct. Drives pretty. Did you even think it was guitar. But what he was tightening know what he was doing. I didn't even play guitar at that point, but but but he but it was really fast and really awesome sounding, you know. And it was probably I mean, stuff that had been done before, but he popularized it. That's what it was. The two hundred happening. There was guys like Robert Frith doing that, and but nobody knows who rob. No man. From finger, tapping your Eddie. Nobody has ever said, oh my God, I sucked. Robert. Fritz stick lot. Not even that. Yeah, I hate the first time I heard Vanhanen was eruption as well how my brother turned me onto it. Yes, always the way and I dunno, you turned me onto a book called running with the devil by there was an eruption too. I thought there was just a rupture in one. There's one end to one. One is who you heard to didn't make the cut. They did Spanish fly instead, but some are out there. It's actually Michael Anthony played it. Oh, yeah. My brother had a promotional pressing of that record of it had run with the devil on it, and you really got me and Jamie's cryan. Gotcha. And it was a color red? Oh, flounder how he got. I think he he was dealing coke tie. Right, right. And. Yeah, so he got it. And this is supposed to be like the biggest van band supposed to be a really big man, cocaine, being done in the music industry back then seventy s sure. Yes, I actually did cocaine while listening that was a sarcasm. Plumbing explain and it was yeah, right. If you start Vancouver event or on his guitar, solo star, van Halen off van Halen record, dude, that's if you start cooking up the van Halen records. Much more rock and roll than the phaser on that on her solo. When we got you know he said that phaser to to kill. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Stunt, don't want us to phaser like that guys. Remember that rich on same eruption. You know, the crazy thing is is that song was on the radio people. Never believe that. But lately. Oh, yeah. Eruption was on American radio's ill is like the only time in history where there was a standalone guitar solo, you know, just spun at, you know, four o'clock in the afternoon, but he would always say into you really got me to have one. Living loving maid and. You can't live the needle before we are the champions, right? Right journey has the same same pair of two. That's true. Just to say in some way. Feeling. Anytime you to feeling that way? For me, I growing up in Winnipeg. He was a huge Ozzy city in a huge van Halen city. How just drew up in hearing about van Halen, but not really knowing into their music. And one day I was walking home from school, and I found a guitar pick on the street and it said v. h. Michael Anthony and I didn't know who it was. So I took it to my guitar teacher who was working at Kent's music. He ended up being Brad Roberts from the Crash Test Dummies really remember that was just talking about those guys. Yeah, he used to teach on that showed on the picket said, who is this? He goes, oh, that's the bass player from van Halen. So somebody had got it at the show or something drop to drop to the street. So I always had this, Michael, Anthony, van Halen, BIC law, and that's when I finally started listening to van Halen. I think when the s. festival came out on TV that was the first time I heard some van Halen and it's it's happy trails though. They didn't show issue three songs on with the devil. You really got me in a happy trails. I was at that concert. Yeah. Shut up. Yep. Do you what do you remember about that? Oh, my God. I remember getting drunk. I remember I didn't get, you know what I was with my brother time so he was carrying him around. He was hammered. And he just chaperone me because I bought some tickets I saw quite right. Yeah, so motley. Yeah, quite Raleigh. Was I in while he was first inquiry was second, and then it was Ozzie Ozzie was on the Bill, but they might not have the next. I think it was triumph throws Ozzy, then try junior. Scorpions, band. I didn't make it through the whole van Halen set, but it was it was killer. Did you remember like, why didn't you make you had to go home? I was just tired all even when I even at being a teenager white me out because all day in the sun, we watched those videos though the scorpions killed van Halen, the sun went down and here. Yeah, yeah, they were hammered. They were hammered. I remember walking into Chris walking in and I look and I see motley out stage and I thought these guys look really cool, and that was the skinniest vincit ever been. I didn't. That might have been before the first records you like they were really a baby Ben? Yeah, they're kind of on the Bill. That was the the just a motley record the live wire on, and yeah, to festival of. Yeah, right. So van Halen gets used over the years. We all become huge van Halen fans. I never saw Vanhanen with David Lee Roth, which sucks for me. I'm going to tell you though, when you first asked me to do this. Yeah, I have some reservations about it because I hate Sammy, Hagar. Hey, right. And I'm going to be straight with you right when he first joined van Halen, I was fad, right? Matt, Matt. Yeah, though. Like this, right. I want Bette midler singing for van Halen. I swear to God, do really I can't drive fifty five. That guy has no also cool at all. Bombed, dude. I mean, it's coming off nineteen Eighty-four were David Lee Roth. Eddie van Halen meet their, they're at their peak of their songwriting, felt that way. Fucking they broke up. I was so sad, but now in retrospect, thirty years later, I can appreciate your. Dave's an asshole semi. Wow. Should we ten years to get into fifty one fifty? I got into it in nineteen. Ninety five. Yeah, because I would not listen to it in eighty five because I was a big Roth guy as well. And the first song, the radio that came out was why can't this be love and you gotta be kidding me. Now it's a pretty good song, but at the time that's the best you got, and then Roth comes out with like Yankee rose, and I was like, that would have been another good one thing. RAF is going to rule it. And then of course, we know what happened is what happened. But at the beginning, I think Dave one that I battle, I wouldn't you guys like us. He won the first battle. It was like, oh, shit, Yankee rose. Billy sheen by, right. Oh my God and van halen's like on winter. What what. Girl in the world was like, oh my God. Number one, it was their first album that everyone to number one. Did you know that rich didn't know that. Okay. So for me, I had already abandoned van Halen because when I heard jump, I was like, I'm out. I'm out like I already was. I was priest in Medan. I already said, I'm done with this like so my third one year old self had already transitioned over to medal. I was already listening to whatever the newest kind of heavy stuff I was into, except I still love scorpions, scorpions were able to still bound across the heavy riffs with like really cool melodic stuff because I also loved whitesnake. I like melodic. I also kind of was more into kind of blues Iraq singers, like because I love DO anytime those kind of guys had that whiskey kind of thing. Voice that had that smoky kind of quality. So neither one of those bother me, I loved eat him and smile. But I will say this in defensive fifty one fifty. I hear songs on that record today. And I, yes, what great songs I listened to eat him and smile and sounds like music for teenagers. It seems like in other words, I to me, doesn't hold up. He does his guitar record the same way out can listen to flexible and go, yes, but it's. Guitar records ruse written for for tonight. Yeah, I I think, like you said the time Roth came out of the gates like pretty frigging crazy, but everyone was talking with van Halen, fifty one fifty and I was not one of them because like when nineteen Eighty-four came on it, I jump. I thought it was Pete Townsend because he was doing rough boys and like he had a little bit of a solo thing going on at the time. And for some reason I just thought, oh, that sounds like Pete Townsend. Like I didn't even think it's not. That's not van Halen, like I couldn't believe it, but then of course it just becomes part of your vernacular and they followed up with Panama and hot for teacher than it was bad hail. How do you square way though? Jump an hour, wait being still in your mind, van Halen, and then saying, why can't this be love not well. Now I like like Ross said, I get it now. Right eighty five to ninety five. I wanted nothing to do with it. I didn't like, oh, you went to like pound cake. I thought that was the first real Sammy van Halen tune. And meanwhile, you go back and listen to fifty one fifty and they're jam packed full of them, but at didn't give it a shot. So I just was being very, you know, teeter a kid, you know, plus, you know, it was coming off that break-up and a lot of us were like, you know what I mean that that affected everybody like what the right felt betrayed the that could even happen. And it's interesting too, that was a crack of of the armor, heavy metal, armor that let babies start playing grunge music. You don't know that, but it starts very early on before you can see a comment. Here's a break in the summer. Known that you grow up to play grunge music plan. It's the crack in the armor man. And once that wall deteriorates, then you end up with stone temple pilots. God. Stone temple sour. I will tell you this too. I think you actually have a point there in your in your joke. There's a kernel of wisdom which is still Panthers entire raise on death or look that one in Luxembourg. We compete. We're in Luxembourg, by the way, beautiful in Russia uses as an example of like a really like like Timbuktu or Luxembourger gypsy New York or Tilburg Tilburg. That's another one or out. No Encino. Encino, man. But if van Halen had continued on as being van Halen, yeah, van Halen that we know in love, partying having a great time. Maybe grunge never would have happened, but when they went down, that's what was so depressed that van Halen actually broke up. That's what like I said. I don't shit. It's a chip in the armor motley getting into fight or now and a break up, right? And then you get comes rose coming out Metallica. Yup, you know what? You know what, if what would have happened? If they didn't invent the internal combustion engine guys, would we still be around? Somebody would have admitted at some point. At some point, the heavy metal was going to end up with, you know, heavy metal ballads taking over the radio, just everybody was bound to go. There. And then everybody said this, you guys stripped just showing up eighty nine ninety and then you're all out of a gig. Do think about grunge grunge music is really just not all with no, sir. With no, here's pay well, and that's according to because we're, you'd never sought his grunge. We just saw it as black Sabbath. Seventh sound Gordon is Sabbath is. Let's get into the songs on nights eighty four and five hundred fifty before the battle begins. I just want everyone to know the both rich war tonight are ready for this classic album clash. We did our DP. Oh, today, that's why rich does it every day usually outside in the sun next to the bus, we both have the DP yoga now app on our phones which makes it super easy to do DP y on the road and it can be that easy for all you. Sexy beast talks Jericho listeners as well. 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He's jumping backwards and Eddie cancer smiling. I think he's pretty loaded. He's highest. He's awesome. Would you think that video rich jump came out already checked out? You didn't like it? Well, I didn't really like, like I said, I mean, I'm a big fan of like my favorite van Halen record is still is still, you know, let me guess. Let me guess. Women and children. I fair warning. Oh my God amazing which as we learned in the know monk book was tanking when it first came out and they had to stay as a gold level ban. So van Halen management, but two hundred thousand copies of that record. I wish we could do that. I want to. Copies of your record. I loved it that much money register. To their management bought all those records with what money, I guess with van Halen money. Oh wow, them at gloss best evil money every songs, a hundred grand that kept him at that level so that promoters would see they're still gold and keep them at the arena level. And it's time if you stop being a gold level band, it would hurt your perception. Exactly. And as we know as we know you guys perceptions rowdy. That's why we buy hookers forever show how crazy teenagers that we, we put up like walls of what we were willing to accept as music. Right. Like you were saying, it's like at some point you would accept Durant Iran, because look at all the girls. It's like you had they were rules for acceptance for certain things. And yeah, Stewart of going to van Halen show because it was at he Dave. It was the guys and they were going to be girls at the shows. But for me, I was I was starting to transition if you know what I'm saying. Transitioning like our bass player. Oh, Joe, he came out. I was not. I was like what the I was out. Like I said, I was screaming for vengeance. Defenders when I saw the scorpions was when my first gigs love it. First thing tour the opening band, hated the name of the band and the singer, all these scarfs on the microphone and I thought it was terrible. I thought it was rotten never wanted to see that band. Again, they're called Bon Jovi they're terrible, but maybe they were great. I just didn't wanna see it right. I didn't care with the scarf limit. Exact right fifty. One fifty March twenty. Fourth nineteen eighty six and one year one year and three months later while that's pretty crazy. Actually one year yen, two and a half months later we think of all the stuff that happened from January of ninety four. This came out March eighty. Five. That's crazy to do that a whole tour two years. Not one year two years. No, it's not do January. Fourth eighty four four to March twenty fourth or sorry. It's just simple addition. Six. We're gonna do it in two years. That's crazy. Let me get my calculator. Post. Oh, three weeks guys. Three weeks, you and a half days ago. New singer did a whole tour of, but that one went to number one. That was the first album go to number one and van nights for went to number two. So well, you know, the reason that fifty one fifty went number one is because van Halen nineteen Eighty-four went number two. So that was that was like, yeah, but there was a lot of steam, oh, peop- you thought Sammy Hager was was a nerdy guy. A lot of people are doing short hair man when he wore a suit coat and hopped around and jump like he was, hey, first time in a rock band. You don't have to tell me to wear yellow, banana jumpsuit, and talk about driving fast. Well, I'll tell you one thing though. Watch that video though. Great. Especially when it's pretty, it's a funny ain't no Panama but hill and was never a great stage where guy, van Halen, stage, dressed him ever good, Dave dressed everybody, really? Yes. So he just everyone not cool. Dude, he look it all their outfits during the time from eighty two to about nineteen Eighty-four maybe eighty one. Mike, starting in Asia. I man, he's got him dressed up. Man. They had no do the same thing. Dude, you can't wear that Hankyu. He tells me you can't sing out of key. You know, that kind of thing. This agree, we agree it. You can sing out of key and make millions of dollars. You're right. I mean, that's been proven over and over again, xactly tracks key. What we found. They were the only thing then key. Thinking about guitars a little bit. Yeah, figure just slightly be flat and all your killer sharp. Floor. Same lineup of both of than the, of course, the lead singer equation. Eddie, Alex, Michael, Anthony. And Dave, of course, on nine thousand four and say, Hager, I'm fifty one and fifty. So for the battle, this is it the track by track back on track the head hand? Usually we don't clueless rentals, but we have to have nine versus nine. So it starts off with nineteen Eighty-four instrumental versus good enough. No, no comparison. Good enough to killer. It is a great van Halen on the solo is so out of this world. Great. Like Hello baby, like that's a cool Roth. That's cool it to me that song was the new venue. Yes. And there was also a nice foot in the old van Halen where you could hear Roth singing that song, and it could be one of the only ones maybe best of both worlds and maybe summer nights that I could hear Roth seeing either one, but that's about it. Let's not jump ahead of ourselves with a try. You're saying good enough. I could hear David Lee Roth say, oh, babe. Yeah. Something that they probably had like on. They just didn't use. Let's from Bopper. That's big bop. One of the guys that died in the buddy Holly plane crash. She had a song called chantilly lace ago halo Berber that whole track was all the hell. No hell of everything standard. Okay. Rich professor ward. Well, I thought it was interesting that they opened the album with Sammy's voice. The new dude in town kind of and suck our Dicks. I mean, it was basically then course Eddie's horsey guitar lick, and then thought it was interesting that the bridge breakdown was very reminiscent of the Dave kind of breakdown where you're talking a little bit. All four, what? Yes, a formula. Maybe they were thinking when they're looking looking back at all the tracks for the record. What's the lead off track? That feels like van Halen, so that because we know we've got, why can't this below? We know we've got some of these other jams. Let's let's make sure we open the album with something that feels familiar and they won't throw the record away. Correct? Yeah. It's the Paul McCartney theory of if you're going to play a new song, always give people a spoonful of sugar after the play classic. So the given you the spoonful of sugar right off the bat, listen, we know you might have love David Lee Roth. We do too, but here's our offering of the transition the song. Yeah, right. Those pretty smart, smart and Sammy crazy Roger Daltry scream at the very end which is, you know, just to try to, I think there was like again, there was some boxes. It needed to be ticked it was smart, right? Yeah. Agree. And also something that we discussed last night album produced. By Mick Jones foreigner. So that's another good point to point out. Yes. The last one was eighty. Four was Ted temple men as and then this said they moved onto Jones. Yes, and some things that I noticed too bold move variable and I can't believe jobs let those Jones go by well, and that's the one thing. Two things I noticed production-wise that were pretty blaring and that was the guitar. Tone was way darker more saturated. The old on fifty. Yes. The old turn the plex up to ten was now modified was it's not either something was in front of the the chorus. There was definitely some more is more gain saturation. And then of course, the Simmons drums you know do. And then of course we still had the snare drum that sounds like, yeah, we still have the classic snare, but everything else, the drums really changed, isn't it amazing how Alexander hands? One of the few drummers that when you hear his drumming, you know it's him. He's got that sound Jerome. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's it's funny to the drums. It did change a lot, but but it's still like the songs are are really good. So doesn't seem to matter. He sounds like it's weird how their sound would change from album and still still still unique in. That's interesting. We always talk about like David Bowie or, you know, z. top rush change. There's some advantage did that on it and to help them out y'all basis right now. I just wanna see nineteen eighty four thought. It's interesting to the open the album fat. Because conversely, if you're a huge van Halen fan at that time frame, you'd be like, what the hell is this? It's a instrumental but on keyboards to show that listen, we're going little bit different direction. Thought it was interesting way to kick off the record novice. He doesn't stand up to two good enough, but still very cool idea in concept. Now, did you hate that? Ralph? I, yeah. Kind of like something that I couldn't like pass yet. You wanted van just wanted to be able to click forward and just get into was jump jump. Yeah. Well, let's go into that was like the intro to to to Bob rules, ironically called fifty one fifty s which was great, but it wasn't the first song on the album. You know, you could have one of those kind of moments, but it seemed odd to put the keyboard like intro up front. It's something you say for the live show. I'm Dave did not want keyboards and bad at all. Is that true? From what I've read? I don't day then. I think so. I think Eddie like normal guitar players do singers was just really trying to go look, dude. This is the way it's going. I read the songs that make the whole world you're singing what else happened those that was Eddie was not happy with diver down with all the covers on it. And who did that Roth and that was her best record. So anyways. Before that is fair warning warning. Yeah, did not have hits. That's right. So Ross, do he said we're previous less to another king song? Yeah, because it was my king song. I write what would happen. You know, it's just, you know, when you stop collaborating with your partner, that's when shits goes. Hold on a second anywhere else. Go on back to the about. You can't even build up what I'm saying. So is the key to songwriter. Anyway, agreeing with each other is totally the way. Would you boss quit moving where we going? We're just driving back and forth. He's taken his chest. He knows we're doing some audio up here, trying to screw that as much as possible. Cool jump against jump against. Why can't this be love? Oh. Oh my God. Why can't this be? I would say that van Halen jumped from me wins this battle only because it's van Halen with David Lee Roth, and it's the first time doing a keyboard song that is clearly keyboards on credible rock and the cradle rock was keyboards. It was through Leslie, distorted bitch, and that's something that into that because. Pointed by spring that up is that it was synthesizers straight out in front of your face and ban hill hit. Never done something like that unless I'm missing something, but. And it was a killer video at the, you know, the promotional roll out for that song was it was killer caught me right away. Jump on this. You know, it's it was pretty bold move. And I mean, it's great song, and in the hook keyboard. Still the play it on my touchtone phone, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, it's like five, nine wiring. You. The same phone number is jumping. Also John solo of the third kind. Hundreds of the third kind. Board solo into the guitar solos. Awesome. Is such a greatly once again, here's the spoonful of sugar. Yeah, thanks for listening to my keyboard song. Now, here's within four bar, soul or four. Yeah. Guitar solo. I into the keyboard. All right. But it's pretty bitch rate solo, but one thing about why can't this be love that that synchronize track thing is going to do after wiles. Like I just I can't stop hearing that in a good way or bad way known a bad well, okay. But I think Sammy sees a killer is a great, great, great soul on it to the hooky selling. It's a little happy. Yeah, it's still not Chris. Kick him play that well, but that's a good thing though. Is it? I think so. I. Five play that way harder than you think. I can't sleep, Brad dude because it's easy. Nobody likes her. As they plan smoke in the water with your mouth. Different jump is like difficult. Dude, I watched Sassa try and do the solo jump miserably MRs. No, it sounds easy. SOLAS, really, it's jump jump. Yeah, written every one of his solos, in my opinion. In your opinion. White songs for his soles, right souls or songs. And that's, you know, that's the secret of the secret of reality way of. Aw, coffee spill party foul on your own bust rich. Give some insight here. Okay, I love jump. I just wish another band had written it. Interesting because it it has kind of some new wave qualities to it. Like of the of the time which I really digs. I love the cars like a loved one in love that era. I'm gonna go with jump over. Why can't this? Okay. Just because I think it's probably wanna. I mean, you know, when the might of van Halen signature saw, do will every sports arena mersal break. I mean, it was the theme with one big jets for ten years. I mean, it is a part of our pop lexicon. It'll be loved the Super Bowl. The chorus is like if you compare the courses, why can't this be love is is hooking records. I actually going to break it down as a song. I can't this be love God, man. Those the verse melodies are mazing a and something we didn't mention. They frigging Hagar, a fricken vocal. So laughter. Eddie point kind of. Kind of dead and debt, and debt. Sammy. Again, a five year old can sing that single talented, five put them in. You should put them in to jazz. The mic. I love rouses anger towards Sammy van. I love San Mateo. He's a great guy. We hang out a lot. I just, you know, I tell them straight up, dude, vocal solos are not cool. We do. We're going to dinner. It's really cool. Well, he can't. His wife doesn't let me pay. One of his personal assistance. Right. I wonder if I got through probably not. Leave this. For consideration. You name your band. Van Halen were known for having the greatest living guitar player, and you basically wait until two minutes and sixteen seconds into the song, even let him really play and to me like a wonder how that decision was made his idea. He wrote the song that's what I'm saying, but who allowed us. We always talk about man's who need a producer that just go. Yeah, to tell you. No, because just let him go behind ten, ten, ten, ten gimme a little something. You know, like it's all keyboard self deprecation, man, that makes him so likable about a dude. About a dude. He's able to take a back seat to his own keyboard plan, which is in kidding. Kidding. I hear you. Usually it's something like mean streets. You know, it's the same. Getting Lee went through in the eighties with rush rage. He wasn't play basis, play keyboards. He's probably what you think you the best bass player ever, but he's probably thinking absent Abass let me try this keyboard stuff. Right. So what do you do when you're genius? You know you guys know? And yet one genus in the battle site who it is Ralph. It's interesting. Okay. So we all right job wins. Weaned sweep for jump. Clean sweep for for four earlier. So sawn number three, Panama versus get up. So. Let's move onto the next on listening. Okay. Yeah. What why are we even talking about this? You have any comments on get up, get up is like it could have been on him and smile, right? I mean it was that kind of it doesn't cook to it for me though. Roger span fan. Hey, listen, as we'll discover this many songs on van Halen for the don't have hooks either, but they're still great four. The solo in get up his. Awesome. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's classic. Perfect written rock song. Guitar tone, I'm Panama is light years better than get years, light years, light years. He is so over saturated in that particular song. And it sounds like he's playing in the middle decision of his pickups, you know, a lot of Qatar. Well, it sounds like he's playing east tune super low, which is very odd for van heel is down here a little bit d think. Is that true? Does he downtown? Thanks now. Remember it's really low the, yeah. Let me ask you this. Hey, and also eight. Russ. Necklace guitar. With the little didn't have. Loyd rose. It was. What do you Steiber Awami the Miami was Mola trance dream. I don't remember transgender all the rates these days back then it was super cutting edge. Rose. What's Kramer or trans trim from Steinberg? Yeah. Okay. And what's the other one? There's another minutes behind Ayler keilor's all the way back night ranger one. We already covered this about five minutes ago. All right. Let me ask you this question. What whammy bar is on like a rose anyway? Yes, real obscure Stanford of Floyd rose unless pause at make you a jerk. I, I don't think if less Paul should ever have a whammy bar on that's rule number one in rock and roll Neil Sean. If you're listening disregard that police. Have you guys? It seems like panel will be one of the songs you guys play are used to play quite a bit jumping Panama. We played a lot you ever have any guests vocals come up for those two songs that you can recall. Dane cook used to sing it a lot thinking he was dry to sing. It. I mean, that guy creates, he's still get them to sing for he was doing movies and shit, dude his house. I don't know how he Ford this shit. You must come while he was doing arenas. That's amazing. Yeah, I've been new house. Sammy go to Danes house all the time. Trying to take advantage got in the fight. All. Okay. So they don't really hang out, but I try give them together here that we're position where you like. Luke in between both of them. Yeah. Yeah. Danes houses killer, and he has the actual guitar that Eddie recorded Panama. What is it with these guys that know any van? How I know he owned. I know that even with both together and that kind of both as a kind of making that up to I would I would say the Panama definitely wins once again, clean sweep. I would say, rich, any comments, Panama a love it like it's I think it's outside of jump. It's the most recognizable, right? I mean, you you listen to that opening riff, and it's I actually prefer Panama over jump just bist because it's to me, it takes all the way moving boxes. Right? All of the great rift. Great tone, breakout performance, and it really pitches today strike zone, which is ultimate swagger, right? He has all of that stuff, but it's still kind of aggressive too because sometimes he can go like swagger, but it gets a little cutesy for of ignores, kind of his still punch you. You know what I mean? Like he has that same thing. Take your girl, but I'll also fight you if it's thanks. I love that he, he lives in both worlds. He's tough enough to do it. And it's got the great break down the other kill. I wonder if that was just improv or. I think after unchain they decided not to do the improv anymore. Like we'll just go do it. Oh. All right. So plan, we get the Queen clean sweep or the Queen sweep. If you're talking about Ross, and let's. The other guy that was talking about, oh, he's talking about Ralph who throw no Ross. Boss, Ross Chandler, Rahm Emanuel Rawson, Ralph Roger. Top jim. Jimmy versus dreams. I'm gonna take this one. I love top Jimmy. I think it's kind of a cool little van him swagger, classic Roth lyrics that he probably saw some guy called top Jimmy when he was a kid playing a ballroom or something. But dreams is a masterpiece song. It is a frigging masterpiece once again, combining a great keyboard riff with one of the best souls Vanhanen's overdone and some of the best singing ever recorded in rock and roll for me. Please take over. Okay, we'll totally right. Yeah, I couldn't agree more dreams as one of the one of the best band hails. And it's one of the most inspirational songs ever written. It's crazy. Don't you dry your eyes, people like. Many rock bands that can pull that off like having it actually be a bitch in song with an awesome hook that actually is uplifting and British rock band. We're not gonna take it, did it, but have twisted sister, but this. But this is even better deal with planes. Really. However. Talk about. I was actually working sellers which is a Canadian target when that song came out. So I wasn't my dream of stacking sheaf shits and look where you are now right? With factual and some guy named rut, and I didn't even have to do anything to get rough. Okay, Michael Starwood, he think give us your pin man. Okay, so dreams is a great song. Yes. Thank you. I think the bridge really for dreams is the strongest points with bridge. Oh. I love that song. Reach down to. So baby. Got it. When they Mike. Star, you're doing that. That's the bridge you guys chorus the post course. I, I like them both. I really think that comparing dreams to top Jimmy is an unfair battle. Yeah, Jimmy is a killer song, but it's it's. Album tracks. Right? And this is a, this is a, you're talking about single order, your records this way, and you do battle so they never know what you're gonna get his battle, rich. What's your opinion? I'm gonna say, I'm gonna jump on and just. Yeah, I think it's actually the best song van halen's overwritten as far as just. Strategist and could be one of the best vocal performances in rock. I mean, at that point, I mean, he was full voice. Rushing notes and thing about it is it's one thing we can talk about guys, ING, sing high. He I believed every word. Like, I mean, he was selling, you know, ABC you know, always be selling. Close in a little sharpen or may have been. But I, I was I had his balls right in my life. Blinded by that power. The other thing about is like, as you were saying, like, oh, baby, we belong in a world that must be strong. It was like the first time. Van Halen turned into Tony Robbins. Oh yes. Like they were always breaking down and tell us to do naughty things, and now they're like aids time to get our shit together dreams or may. Yes. So well, David Lee Roth could create daily. Rob was. That's another thing about Sammy that I started to really appreciate as I started, you know, growing into a singer or being a singer, was that Roth? Sammy did the Roth songs. No problem Roth could never do these songs. They wrote them differently and just they're just out of his right couldn't and not even even not even ballpark what I mean. What I mean Sammy's ingrate Saint, and that's, you know, even to this day Roth i. stinks. To not want to have anything to do with Sammy. Sammy would kill them even though we don't care. We just wanna see Roth Roth and Sammy Sammy, it's not a competition, but I think to rot is coming. Parallels out. It's very parallel to the Ozzy DO were we're Ozzy was all the character and he brought life into that. And then do you came in and just started singing the phone book and everybody's like, oh, that guy, he's looks amazing. God, this dude's voice. And I think that's kind of and it's good that way, right. It keeps us from having to compare two guys that were similar because Rothen. Completely different opinions. That's right. It'd be unfair. It's like, hey, man, you're Land Rover is not as cool as my Ferrari. The just so different. You well machines. Dick's immediately. Here's the next thoughts about dead legs versus summer nights. God, it's Iraq. Can I go here lease go? I didn't make any notes. I made some mental notes for this particular these two songs. Okay. This game battle. This is a great battle and it's super hard for me to Jews. I think just overall overview. What I think of two, I think the summer nights wins this battle. Okay. However, there's so many similarities to tar soloing in drop dead lakes and with summer nights, it's just what way? The way he's the scales that he's using it in in this solo. I don't know. Did you know what I mean? I don't know what the scales are, but they're just if you listen to the solos, there's a lot of similarities in them. It's like this out of left field type thing, and I feel like. I was telling satchel nineteen Eighty-four. Eddie. Van Halen, like took enough. He went to a different place with a soloing, and I think that some are nice and dropped legs have that similarity to them, you know where you know they do the front end of the song, and then the rest of solo jam at the kind of loose type tune. But summer nights is definitely a super catchy fund song that translates way better live. So my pick would be summer nights. All right. And I hate saying it's a tough that's touch. Is an amazing. It's got so much attitude, but summer nice is, do they captured the vibe of summer night. So cool and not to mention the fact that that eighties guitar, the riff on that like used that trans tramping like he was innovating. If you're not a guitar player, you're not. You're not noticing. But like he was like the key changes that he used in that and and the flavor that he had on that you just hit on the head row. See he much much like hotel, California capturing the vibe of a dark desert highway like you can see that happening as us on summer nights is the same thing. And both these songs for me were ones that didn't jump into right away because the good both kinda lazy songs bid tempo. But once you like this, both songs were were ones that came alive after ten listens to where like, oh, I pan was great and good scrape with these two were like they could be not the best. They really grow me. Dude, I don't know, man, I think it might have to go summer nights all of the jam at the end of drop dead legs. Amazing, took me ten years to figure out what drop dead legs meant. I didn't know what that meant. Drop dead legs. It's like, I don't get it. She's got drop dead legs. Chris or legs are so great. You're going to drop dead when you see them. That's what happens. I didn't know anything about legs old, like fifties term. Graham case. Geneva need to shave contest for me. Okay. Drop dead legs. Okay. So we've already kind of the only that. I mean, everybody's already covered all the stuff that wrote except for this one line that that was interesting. I said, Samuel channeling the blues like Paul Rodgers, but he's less polite in more fun to hang out with your like because he that specially the swagger in that verse, Wendy's ton on these eddies lane all that space for Sammy to frigging dance swagger over and he's, he's laying on this really great blues econo- melodies that I was talking about. I'm really tracked into that kind of vocal style except for he's doing it. Paul Rogers has. There's a politeness to Paul Rogers like, you know, like yes, even know like Paul's when my favorite singers of all time, Sammy seems like he'd be more fun to hang out with in that. So there was my quip. So let me just make quick points unsung hero of both these songs, Michael Anthony's background vocals, very prevalent in both of these tunes when you think about albums. Sure. But full songs, they both have great parts for him to say. I would say that Michael Anthony's voice is a great blend with Sammy's. Yes, better than Dave's. They're both singers. I have to say that now. I mean, looking back, it was hard for me to have that transition. I was upset about it, but now that I'm a dull. Sammy or Mike landing. That sucks to play with Michael because they blend so l. together the drop dead legs no course. I pre course guitar lick interlude, verse pre chorus solo out to me like a song. It's the only song that I've ever heard that because it is so amazing is so much attitude that you just forget that chorus and there's no like revisiting of any hook that happened. It's like solo out. So for me, like in the actually there's another song. Eighty four does the same thing except for to me doesn't have the power pain. Yes, like that. I say it. I give it a pass for not, you know, drop delays courses. Probably the Denning do then, and then it's like a two line harmony part and nobody even knows what they're saying. Well, I know I don't even to me. Okay. We'll. Right. Debate. Let's go to side to both of those sides had five songs on each and both sides of four. Wow, hot for teacher versus any of the song of the world. Forget it, but it's best of both worlds. I'll take it off for teacher, the quintessential van Halen song, best video, best riff, best solo best drum part, which if you're a drummer is very hard to play, try and lay that down anybody that's drummer, it's Frank maybe can do it. I'm sure Franken anything thing but sticks can't do it. You know. Frankie do it sticks drummers that can do it well do it properly. There's been drummers that have gotten up in played that song with us and we've let them try and it's been just a train, talked Nedal. You think you know it, you don't know, Alex can't even play anymore. That's how hard. Great base Roth to scatting making shit up when they do it live. He doesn't even do any of the words just goes, looks Berg right across the street from the graveyard. I mean, but it works. It's like he can do. We really across the grid park people dying to get in there. How. Very real hot for teacher. I'm going obviously offer teacher for me. What do you think. Satchel off today now agree with you. I mean best. I mean, dude, I mean, like dude everything, the drums alone. It's insane. Guitar video. Yeah, everything about it. Rather, let's talk a little bit slower will best both worlds adrift. Great. It's cool. But you're comparing to. Van Halen fan. Yeah, yeah, teacher, but what do you think you can't? I mean, it's not good battle feature wins for me. Anything is this the first time that we've heard Eddie us kind of out of face strat sound as the primary sound on a rhythm track. Intro part yet part is is very cool bottoms up. Yeah, like, yeah, good call. Yeah. So we've heard it before. Tone is different than is clean, but it's not like it's humbug or a route down here when I was kind of listings, I love doing this because I love listening to it was kind of fresh years than making notes as I was listening to. This album came kind of dawned on me. This was the point in the record that I realized that this album was just as much about Sammy, maybe even more than it was about eighty because it's SOLAS were a little shorter. Like this was the timers like, oh, another really cool solo, but it's kinda shored. It's a little understated. The guitars are pulled back in the in the mix and it's not. It's not an Eddie doesn't feel like Eddie van Halen record like nineteen eighty four feels like an Eddie van Halen record. Even though Dave you know is, is wing, man, I'm listening. It's like, wow, this is kind of a kind of a radio mix like the guitars are a little back there at times and same get the best like I love it, but hot for teacher head to head is no way. There's no song really that could touch that, but I thought it was interesting. That I started to recognize that van Halen was entering this new realm of, wow, I can't believe there's like four or five songs in a row that are all singles with these massive courses in these great hooky verses like every parts of hook, right every single section. And that could have been the Mick Jones influence of just saying, we're not throwing the bridge way. We're gonna write something super hooky will give Eddie eight bars. But after that we need to have have something kind of hooky. This is not your your old dad's van Halen because it does sound like you know, somewhere along the line there is some influence could be Sammy could be, could be Eddie. Eddie your, whatever the reason Roth and him got into gut into it for for that change. But you're here that right? I mean, do you think Mike, I was thinking about, well, all you're saying. And I think that Eddie van Halen from what I've read and you know what you read is not necessarily always true, but you know, Dave just not want piano keyboards. It was something that he was adamant about didn't like it. And I think that once they've put up and Sammy came in and he could do whatever you wanted to do so did he was able to explore this other world for himself? But it sounds to me like best of both worlds was written a lot by Sammy. I could be wrong. I think you're right. It sounds like a Sammy, Hagar just another wrong. That it's a great song, but I listen to a last night and the tar tone on just blown me out so much money and so round. And isn't that funny too though that when when the Roth band jumped the shark for me was when they released stand back as the single up up story, which is all this weird bound bound bound bound, even know what is key board. It's the keyboards, Dave, where he said he would never go. That was the end of that land can prevent him. That was the cool factor for me. What would he do here? Keyboard. Yeah, that to me was ironic that you say that, but, hey, I would go for teacher best both, whereas it's a killer song. It translates so good live. Yeah. Now, fun concert I went to and it was. Even though you weren't? Yes. You still wanted to be Haley. I got free tickets from your brother started kicking off the album. I really did go. Something interesting call me if you got free call you up and I paid you. Yeah, like three times any giant or about that? Okay. Let's go to the next one. I'll wait versus walks in good battle. I'll wait. Love, wait. I don't know if you know this written by van Halen, van Halen, Anthony Roth, and Michael McDonald, what's that's what it says here. That's insane. Real, so we'll give you. Yeah, everything you read out. Michael McDonald that we know. Mike Pittsburgh right down the street at the Starbucks. Look this up Steelers, right from the Steelers, steely Dan. Steely Dan from the Steelers who Murphy Mark down. Donald was in animal house. He's the teacher that yells at denied her in the I wanna rock. Video health, right? That's what it says. Somebody thinking. Ronald McDonald. That's all David Lee Roth. He wrote that shit. Okay. So. Rich. Why don't you start this? It's all wait versus love walks in. So I was a little shocked when I listened back to lovelock's heard to bunch of times heard on the radio. This was not an fifty was an album that like I played as an album bunch like I knew the songs I heard the stuff of the radio. I, of course I listened to the whole album before, but it's the first time I like really listened to critically, not just as a fan, yes, yes. So this song is not played well, and there are some really some rhythmic issues going on in this album. That really bothered me. And I think my guess was one of two things. One is that they tracked the keyboards and the vocals in a writing way, and they really liked what they had, and then they had Alex come back and track drums on top of it because the drums are not there. So many pushed keyboard hits and push snare and weird, Tom rolls out of time like the foam, the first pre course fumbles into it like something. I think. Why wasn't that retr-. Tracked what happened. And so one of the things that I thought also could have been that we were kind of talking about it, it was there a possibility also that Alex van Halen was struggling with how rigid, the Simmons Tom's and the reaction with it because there were some moments in a faster saw with a lot of tars and stuff. Maybe we didn't notice as much, but man drumming seemed really bad coming from the greatest rock drummer on the planet. So it was one of two things. It was either to me because we've all recorded before everything. First thing you done? Yes. And to me, like trying to get sick, I don't know why. So yeah, I'm gonna go. I'll wait is the winter across the board like, but I did think kind of going through this. I started to notice. And so one on the third, this out there just as a sidebar discussion. Was it stylistically because I think if you would have brought Steve Smith from journey into this, you crushed it because this is his wheelhouse. Was the song written by Sammy and Mick Jones, and it worked on, and then this is just foreign territory for Alex van Halen, stylistically who's not a power, ballad guy that just was like weird or was it the Simmons drums distracting him just the feel in the in the kind of how the rigidness there's not the give of the TOMS, or did they cut the drums after the keys in the vocals because you're getting high over there. Ause we talking about, I'll know we're talking walks walks in. Well, yeah, hi. Here we go. Dead temperament called me up. This is Mike McDonald said, hey, these guys have a track and needs some lyrics. I mentioned you could do it because he'd worked with him on the Doobie brothers records. Michael McDonald. He said, it wasn't exciting. I met David Lee Roth. He kind of liked what I had going on. We sat there in the office playing the lines and the melodies. And so Michael McDonald came up with those lyrics of crazy. Way to go to make it to the border of Mexico, and then Roff it too. I see your picture and image sales. Look what you've done to me. That's interpreted. Man in Mexico. Ride, like the wind is the original song they wrote and they split it into two and got out of it. So it's good to me. Alway- never liked lovelock's listening to it again when it's love from eight one two is a killer song. It's one of the best songs lovelock's when he goes. Anyway, right. No. Yeah, no, that's another different class. Barge classic clash. Never liked lovelock's in always. I think it's got some great Dave swagger to it, did not know that Michael McDonald, those lyrics don't care solo solo. Yes, yes. Two great solo and Alex van halen's drumbeat. It's like bottom, USC. It's bottom. Bottom bottom about a mess. John bottom drummer. Bottom. Yeah, the group and that's on. Drummer he did was to Harry, Harry bottom. You guys to Alex Ben Simmons on nineteen eighty four to as well. Six, we think just for former. Hi. On Rotan's. Right? It was a straight road. Okay. That was his like precursor to the right that was the, I'm going to twist the whole game. I heard that his audiologist for house fan hill, and that's one is here is hearing started going. He started losing all high end, and that's when the Simmons started making this presence. And that's why he went from say, he was in here pasties. I gotta tell you, I'll wait great song. Dave sounds killing it, but I would definitely disagree with you. Okay, that's fine. Your house walks in is beautiful. Here the solo in that song is so melodic -ly juicy makes pajamas wet while that's how you know what I'm serious. Even with the timing issues I would personally, I would have to go with that song with love. We ever on. All wait is killer. The drumbeat fills. I think the tar solo is awesome, and I love I'd actually love that song. I think it's a good sticks, but I'm gonna go with from walks. I love in this weight versus lovelock's familiar for me. Wait, you wanna. Wait Christopher. Wait, wait, wait, I love daddy. Mak make you jump Chris. Chris. This. Yeah. Did you have any comments on the three sneakers in the dryer fills on walks in. Gimme the Phil here it is frigging rotten. There's some. There are some push snare. I mean, like I, yeah, look, dude, I have issues with this the same. It's the same story as Neil young Neil young story. Yeah, don't like him either. Well producer, he's a guess he's like goes into single line produces like, I don't know. It's kind of out of key. 'cause he's things out of he tried again, Neil young, does it same exact way and the guy goes, can you almost really good? He goes, that's my style, bro. That's van Halen style. Is that they didn't have all of the track highlighted when they hit the Qantar button? No, they missed a couple of a couple notes down low and they just did a square. The next girl gone bad. Getting hide your bunk, rich. That's gotta groove. Self inappropriately. You can't. That's near. Sounds Bish. So good on that. I phone speaker, I must have been listening to barge. You like three, something really messed up about the song man rock. Sometimes when you listen with your in ears, everything sounds off just be the band you're playing with or we don't sound stage. Vocal girls, gone girl, gone bad, not girls. Girls gone wild, real gone, bad versus fifty. One fifty start off my girl, gone bad all the way. Yep. Okay. That's cool. Album track for me. Okay, I love it. It's thirty. It's mean it's dark. It could have been on fair warning, but it wasn't. It was on nineteen Eighty-four, which tripped me out a bit written it around that time. Those. It was Jan. It's bad ass. Killer souls, killer. And at the end Roth actually does some Led Zeppelin shit. Some Robert plant show. Oh. Killing one vote for a girl, gone bad. Girls gone wild. I love that. Good. New Orleans do good on the circuit. Everybody's shirtless people. They didn't want to be. Sorry, three holy Nickelback sorry. Sorry. Taly pick both of the song? No, you know, you got to go. Oh, oh God. Who are you? Who are you? Who are you. Because I don't neither one of those. So I'm just going to go with that because one I got now fifty. One fifty means crazy. That's right for a little crazy crazy lease numbers that we got a fifty one fifty here. Right. Fifty fifty one fifty in Canada. It's it's what's that code for homicide is no one eight seven one eight seven seven what you twenty fifty one fifty six, nine for one fifty is a section of California welfare code, which authorizes a qualified officer clinician involuntary can find a person's speculative mental disorder that makes dangerous themselves. So you have to put them away. Twenty one out here and nine rand thousand here in Canada. I'm going to and fifty for a couple of reasons. Rescues me. Come on. I didn't during your just really dude pizza with that. Sixty nine, Joe money for that. Still I'm going to buy the pizza. Do this whole thing with my credit cards and work in Europe. Dude. Got it. I'm buying everyone. Oh shit. Mckernan. It's like having a one million dollar check and nowhere to cash. That's right. Fifty riff is amazing. I think it's a great riff. Sammy scream at the end of that is it sounds gets poked in the ass with a pitchfork right at the end of it. If very reminiscent sharp sharp and it's the same when they poked Roth in the ass with during on fire is this crazy scream. I just love this riff, and to me it was kind of the hidden gem of the record until I got into it in nineteen ninety-five. A never heard the song I wanna hurt his. This is a great riff. Crazy shitty Simmons. Tom's Tom's but girls coming back, though they're making, they're making huge sticks is going to be playing them next positive. We may or may not use them on our next record, which is called my sexist mazing. Also, we've also with the lead off single pink leather leader hosing, we've discussed that. Oh, yeah. Leila hose at something like that, and we might have Tigers onto her onstage that'd be better rich. What he's they give us some analysis on fifty. Oh, I just think it's better. Chorus course. Yeah, it's great. I mean, they're both great songs for me. Don't hit me, but I think it's Dave that and the kind of the melodic approach that kind of bums out the Dave jam meets. It's not a course. Yeah, the holding the note I, yeah, yeah, that's I, I think both are great songs, but they're both as also said, I think we're starting to get into what else you got. You know songs I think both are great, but they're not. We've left the translation on the on the. Yeah, the hit makers, yeah. Okay. Last song, which is to me not even close house of pain. Versus inside you wanna start off with that one. Will the inside is a fun track. It's different. You'll see a common, you know, and the solos killer in it, and the tones is tar tones. Nice, it's juicy, it's thick. It's got a nice. Two, two. My dad uses serve it up. Uh-huh. I, I don't. I just think that house pain that riff is killer and they're locked in together. There's no, like, you know, you're talking about the fills where they're like, where's this going on? They just end up on one. It's like that, but it's cool. It's not like all listen to the crazy tempo of this riff. Everything really out of whack, isn't it? That's something a lot of people don't remember about that song. It's really weird that read old. It's an old song and those two guys to this day that the van Halen still rehearse every day. It's because they can do shit like that in their sleep. I bet they start playing and locking completely. That's the perfect example. You know, the story is any started that and Alex miss the beginning and he just came in wherever he could, and that's how that ended up in the accident. Right. So I'm going house opinion. I think inside is just we need a nights song for the record. Jam forbidden put a solo on because it's like same with fifty. One fifty though. I mean that which one on the inside I feel. Oh, I thought you talking about me is is a killer killer tune? Right inside is just like, would he got left out of? Here's their ninth. Don't don't don't do something on that. So I'm going house the paying all the way actually has pain. What did you think of that time. Fascinating. Can you break it down? Yeah. Thirteen. I'm gonna guess here after a an hour and fifteen minutes of conversation as planning four, four, an hour is playing in thirteen, and if you at the end of the song and they both end on one, I don't know if you. You haven't listened to either record in about a year. It's been a while. Both last time I was on extra four. It's just that they're just flipping the beat. With this simple via ridge. Like what? Bobby right. Red curry. Bobby, what would the blots do. Plots. Florida. We'll discuss it off yet. Some three, right? The solo is great. The break. Do at the school that was killer. Played that line? Yes, they did. Wow. That reminds somebody would do on the first record? Not see. We do. You know what? I want to retract that comment. It may be from what I saw nineteen Eighty-four. I'm one of the. They'd played it by remember them seeing on the big, it was the festival they were together near seeing. It was just. And it was before the song. Yeah, it was like in a jam part. I'm go into, look it up later, but I promise you believe in rich house, the pain for me. Although this is another one of those kind of weird songs like, you know, verse chorus, verse chorus, solo, and then let's just rock. There's no, and I think for me like it's a great song. I love it like these kind of nontraditional arrangements work because his fan Halen and they're always kind of had their own thing. But if if you had approached me and said, this is a song I would say, hey, let's take what after Seoul is go back and hit the course, they, let's riff out. So it doesn't make it not a great song. Because inside for me is terrible. I heard us like, oh my God, like it's almost like a rap song. Like all of the like the posse guys are talking to each other back around all, like having conversations record a song to record. Now he he's talking to Michael right on this is really cool. And then Sammy's like kind of scat rapping the first verse. That's when they like it sounded to me at that point. They were trying to show everyone that they're really close. Why do you. We could put out a shooting song and still. They knew, I guess they knew her two years later. We're going to do this classic album clash and they needed known as. Make an eight song records. You'll understand why you had through nine. The purple have on machina seven? Was it really think so he just yelled of that you like us mad. How do you know bro. All you guys go on ways and download the Michael star direction. There's only one way to download the Mike star ways app I waste over and that's by going on your webpage our somewhere online. It's on Twitter. I put it on Twitter. Okay. Yeah, he sticks comments being versus inside? No, no. I just came up here for blow. Okay. Is the question what we talked about last night, is it? I don't know. All you have left is a Jonah or a butthole. You can only have one, but, oh, you have a lifetime supply Lou because if that's the deal. I don't know. I guess if you're next week next classic desert island, so. To wrap it up giant. Yeah, I know for Jonah, just discuss when listen the covers the classic van Halen strange album covers which has the baby with the wings and the cigarettes, or is it atlas holding up the world with holding up the van Halen world will the van Halen with the v. h. logo thing of lifting up the new world event. Very symbolic, very smart, Michael star. That's a good one. I think the van Halen, four covers iconic though. I would wear that on a t shirt the baby. I wear that shirt. It's called van Nalen and has got the grownup baby as she's a girl. Oh, nice. And I like that should cover this creature because smoking cigarettes have babies, you have to have. On. That's the future of our careers, right? The babies, babies, five year olds sitting ought to play. That's right. Michael knows a lot of five rules that are better than van Halen. I do not take horses aboard. I. For blabbermouth Spacey of heavy metal, Michael star, semi. Hagar overall ninety four fifty and fifty rich fifty. The cover going with the what. That's what I'm going. I'm going the cover four overall. If if I have to make a choice in not Parsa down to songs going fifty, one fifty. The album itself. I'm going the fifty and fifty. I'm talking about. Do I want to listen to it? Yes. If I say, what would I prefer to listen to? I'm going to say fifty. Wow, no, even sit in the same of the I just sheer principle your principle. I, you know what? Dude. Let me tell you something about myself. Okay. When it comes to van Halen, I'm van Halen fan all the way to the core of my existence man, daily Roth. Eighty Halen. If our desert island had to pick which record I would bring with me, it'd be nineteen Eighty-four come on now. All right. All right. And because you know why? Because that's what I've always. I always wanted to be in a band with a guy who can play that with that feel. And this guy said next to me, he's got that there. Yeah, that's that's a rare I'm serious man. Phantom sweet moment was very Swiss. It was very Swiss. Have no idea. All the tears I've cried. Still dreams are made of mine have come true. But you know what? If I had to choose if I had to choose between fifty and fifty nine do there's more there's honestly there's more hit songs on fifty. We got one kid. There's no, there's no doubt about it. Mind. But if I had figured on a desert is that we're talking about the, it doesn't matter. Okay. I have copies of. Okay. I'm gonna have to ninety four for me personally. Boy, that doesn't. There's no one of the other. Fifty. I I understand why fifty one fifty did better. I'm taking nineteen Eighty-four for one reason when reasonably it's got hot for teacher on it, which is the one of the greatest top three songs of all time for me. So I'm going ninety four but and doing fifty much better than I remembered and probably here's, here's what you saying right now from what I remember a reason why you're saying that because nineteen Eighty-four is better. Dude. That's why you remember that. Okay, so let me so here. Here's here's. Yeah. Okay, it's my favorite bands on the planet. Thirty Boston foreigner, Kansas sticks. I love that era of seventy super rock. For me. Fifty. One fifty is more of that kind of record more big hook courses really hooky verses well produced. Not a lot of like throwaway bits and pieces for the musicians chumming the water. So for me, it pitches to my strike zone. I'm not saying what's a better record. I'm just saying if you're saying to listen to what I like my favorite record of all times the First Boston album. And to me the fifty one fifty has more in common with the Tigers albums that I listened to when I'm going to like when I'm listening to jam. Orange that I hear you, but there's and there's certain things about fifty. One fifty like Sammy is a great. She's a better singer east on this record, insanely hearing Bruce Dickinson on the. Coming out of the gate at the same time though. Then there's, there's more there's for me, there's more attitude on nineteen hundred. Swagger, raw, Sammy's dangerous, roths dangerous. You know, even to this day with. Guy. Chris, you know I I'm not dangerous. I'm nice danger Jericho. Chris Jericho's sticks to even ask you fifty one fifty. Nine hundred four, no shoes or blind. I wanna ask you. Nineteen Eighty-four. Is it for me and Joe bass player for Tom punks Joe last series full time been like shaking his head for good by the way the the debate prep guy because he had like a lot of answers off like he's like all the trim, Joe, everybody's. Cards. Do now a one last thing if David Lee Roth was here right now, Michael store, what would he say? He say you guys still doing a great job. Just keep on what you're doing. You're gonna keep on getting what you get my friend and look all my fellas here on the bus. They know what's rock and roll and you do too. My friend I can see in your eyes and you know with my good, I'm looking you down and bringing the heavy metal back all over the world steel panther and Fosse onto a right now. What he would say. You left you left off and that guitar player for FOSS dick. Thanks Michael star Sasser from steel panther and rich ward from Fosse for taking part in the latest edition of the classic album clash. Van Halen, which one you prefer Goto at talks Jericho. 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Elegy For The Anvil with Natalya and Tyson Kidd
"The Jericho network on Westwood One. Tall. Tall recall. Ricco. All right, welcome. Talk as Jared goes the pot of thunder and rock and roll. And today it's a tribute to Jim, the anvil night heart from ninety nine heart Jim's daughter and her husband. His son-in-law Tyson Kidd aka TJ Wilson, the back on the show to talk all about the late great anvil gyms last big indepth interview before his passing who's running around talks Jericho. I just put that up again as a re rerun. I guess you'd say reentering checkout on Spotify apple podcasts, or the Westwood One apple, if you haven't heard it yet. Jim talked a lot about his time in wrestling till some great stories, but being part of the legendary heart Phoenician tag team and now natty and TJ sharing some of their favorite stories with the envel- stuff from that he's childhood and what it was like growing up her on the business with her dad constant on the road stories gyms last few years. They didn't like that Luke gallows and what he enjoyed what today's WB and even shooting the total divas TV show. It's a great tribute to the n. Ville facts the ninety and tease. For in having me into their home to remember him. That's coming up right away. I also coming up. It's the Judas rise into her closing in the last few shows were in Charlotte, North Carolina tonight, the underground that's going to be used show Jacksonville, North Carolina got moved due to hurricane Florence, that poopie hurricane. We are now going to be in Johnson city, Tennessee, Capone's they're able to get us into the into the venue with only a few days notice. So if you're in the Tennessee area, Johnson city, Knoxville, Morristown, mild stopping grounds, come hang out with this Johnson city Tennessee at Capone's. That's on the twentieth that's on Thursday. 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So go to fuzzy rock dot com for all to get information and also all the fuzzy Viet information is one of our legendary mean grades one of the best business. We do many concert few, we take pictures, we signed stuff. We hang out, we chat with you. It's one of the best experiences you can have at a rock and roll show fuzzy rock dot com for all VIP info, all ticket info and for all info on the late great, Jim, the anvil neidhart let's talk to natty and her husband Tyson Kidd right here on talk is Jericho. It's the eligible to the Advil right now. Go right into it. There's no introduction here. There's no, there's no rules on talk Jericho, and we're here at at TJ and that he's house. And the last time we were here was for a gym, the envel- night hearts, possibly his last ever interview or one of his last interviews. Yeah, definitely. Definitely has last like sit down to that length. I know like he had done a couple signings. So maybe like a probably a couple of minute, like Bill apter, but in terms of sit down like that. Yeah, definitely the last one. Yeah. And we're here, Jim passed away a couple of weeks ago, and I wanted to just have conversation two guys and just kinda remember the the life and times of very unique and quirky guys. And in fact, when he passed away text Brett and he said, hey, man, sorry to hear the news. I said, you know, anvil was one in a million and Brett's sent back one in ten million, you know guy that you don't really come across a guy like that too. Often. No, he, my dad was really unique at funny because like I was, you know, telling you about how it was looking back on pictures of my dad and like my dad was just so cool. And I said that at the service was so nice to have you at the service like you're kind of an extended part of the heart family. Like. I'll get it not be. There's a few people. There's a few people that are just quirky and original that they can hang with family, and it was interesting talking with Jim on the podcast and Jim, we'll discuss he. He had some. Some. We mentioned he had some Alzheimer's at that point in time. Do you did you notice he was including me with him, like you were there and like I think he was kind of confusing that I was actually in the WF in the eighties with him. Funny enough. Maybe this story is better a little bit later, but one time I'm here watching raw and it was a Luke gallows match, and Jim's expression just totally changed. And he's like this guy, he's horrible. I hate this guy and I thought there there are a few years. There were a few years where Luke gallows was released, and he was like this little kind of king of the Indies typing Lukwago get a booking in South Africa and kind of the Booker there. Right? He book Oberg over there Lucas like in charge gals. Yeah, he's. She's the hustler man. So I thought, oh, man, damn gals in Jim at a bad thought, no way gals would love Jim more than any quarters. Ultimate brother. Yeah, yeah. So then a little bit of time goes on as he's like this guy. He's horrible hate. I beat the hell out of this guy before in a match and I was like, there's a chance they wrestled the, you know. It turns out then a little bit is going on and he's like, oh, I remember dynamite ribbon the hell at him. Then I knew he was confusing gals with somebody else. But the funny thing is anytime I put on a gallows match same, she'll change and one time Harry was kind of egging it on his Jim. What do you think about this Gibran all this guy's at your brownie, but then but then here's, here's the compliment in the whole thing. He's watching it and he's like, we got a lot better since I wrestle them. Who do you think it? Why feel like he maybe it was like, I mean, I know my dad actually told Jane McMahon that story because I thought it was so funny and I, my dad Shane goes. Do you think he was? He thought that gallows was buried Dr. So we love and I thought my dad loves very Dr, SOS volition, but it must have been somebody for my dad's passed that he just didn't like that rubbed the wrong way or or something like some enhancement guy or something. The best part Sawyer house loves. This story loves this trying to think who he kinda resemble. I don't know. There was a guy in Calgary that independent wrestler named Gary Galant. I don't know. But anyway, it was just the funny story because my my dad would get so worked up every time he saw gallows and I saw gallows actually at summer slam, and I said to him, I go, my dad hated you. And had no idea who you were natty. I loved the story. I love your dad hated me and go, but my dad just like he, he didn't know I told them the whole thing and it was just so my first day back, I was telling him about it as an Kevin Dunn walk by and Kevin was like TJ that's on you to get some footage which like I was sitting in my hotel in. I did a seminar in Texas, and I was like, man, 'cause gyms here. Jim was at our house Thursday and Friday. And I was like, when there was some downtime, I should've put on a gals matching recorded the reaction classic TJ rip. But you're mentioning earlier when you said that that Kevin, when you putting together the tribute video for Anil that he wanted you to send him. The pictures is super supportive about like the morning of finding out that news. You know, Kevin was awesome about just making sure that they just wanted to make sure that video package was perfect. And for me, you know, you know what? It's like to get that prime time TV time. Raw for me for the company for WWE to put together such an incredible video package of my dad. It was almost three minutes long and like they were pictures that were personally coming from me, not just from their archive and then we're like family photos, baby pictures. Like I think it's just was made it. My mom made my mom, my sisters and I feel so much better that my dad was going to get the spotlight and we it was just that to me the company just they just handled everything so perfectly. They will when real life stuff. The company is honesty second to none. But let me say this though, is also interesting too, because listen, unfortunately, there's a lot of guys that pass away in the business. Jim, you forget intil somebody like envelope pass away. I'm just looking Instagram or who had posted this picture. That dude, I know did seventy seventy six thousand likes on Instagram, which usually I'll get fifteen or twenty or twenty five. I got texts from people all around the world, saying Sawyer. Envel-. I don't know how close you are. I can't believe Advil died for guys like coming up in the business and my generation. The Hart foundation was frigging huge and Jimmy envel- nine or was a huge personality within that. I think we've forgotten now to a little bit thirty years later when he passed away. A lot of people like holy shit, the anvil part of much and so w be treated Jim with the reverence and respect he deserved as a star within the company. I think you know what I mean? I know you're, you're absolutely right. And I always believe everybody always says the Hart foundation and BULLDOGS, and this person should be in the hall of fame and this I believe in my heart that the company has a strategy for everything. And I believe that like WBZ's not a race, it isn't a race. It's not the whole thing. Doesn't lecture hall of fame coming up in New York isn't the last one? That's right. It's the time will come when it's the right time. And for me, like last year, my dad came to, I brought my, I really felt strongly about bringing my dad wrestlemainia last year and. We weren't going to do it. And then about a week before wrestlemania I said to my mom, I'm gonna get you guys tickets. You're gonna come down. We're gonna. I want daddy there and it was a very last minute decision to bring my dad wrestlemainia and I'm glad I did because a lot of people got to see him and say hi to them and take pictures with him. And my dad felt really special and important, but it was also I could also see that my dad there were some times that he was struggling a little bit. Like at the hall of fame ceremony, he couldn't stay for the whole. He couldn't stay super long line at the hotel. I mean, the line was born, the buses it, my dad just wasn't. You know, he just he just it was like overwhelming for also having the condition had what it make him get nervous or he couldn't be around people, or was he starting to feel physically sick or what do you mean? My dad was like, there's moments that he was super clear and then there was just moments that he was kind of quiet and like vacant milk. And then there was moments that he was great and nobody would know that there was anything wrong and then there was moments again. He was like, he would just kind of need some space. I think being around a lot of people. Yeah, resumes, tough for us. Yeah. And remind you know, he just we really created like a fortress round. My dad, my mom and my sisters TJ you know, like I was super protective of my dad and I still am super protective of him. That's why I told you. I was like my dad's not doing any other interviews. He's only going to do your podcast because I know you'll do him Justice. I know that you're gonna. I know he'll I knew he'll feel comfortable and safe and I feel safe having you do it, and that was the last interview my dad ever did. And we, we had to do some edits because he repeated some of the stories and stuff. But when you listen to that show, it's a great show. He did a gray, no, his long term memory was insane. Like even that last Thursday and Friday, when he came in with his sister, remember watching a old family videos and old family photos. And he would remember like Elliott CEO is that this cat, you know, it's this one, and then his sister was like, yeah, you're right. And his long term memory was that's why telling those stories wrestlemainia too. Gotcha. And Andre and he would recite those perfectly air can remember all that sort of stuff yesterday he might not remember what we did, but also go ahead. No, you're it. Just it's just what with my dad. This isn't just recently, but my whole entire life. My dad was just such a unique person with my dad. We always look everything one day at a time because he was so you kind of was larger than life. At times. He was an ultimate brother. You talking about a guy from the eighties, and then we mentioned those guys traveling three hundred and fifty days a year. Whatever was not. And that's not a joke. You know it because you were a little. Do you remember about that? Like, do you remember him being gone long periods of time and being home only for a couple of days like, yeah, I just remember my dad growing up in the eighties in the heyday of the, you know, I'm trying to think of the the WBF kind of, yeah, I boom, boom of that. Even just tag team wrestling with the BULLDOGS and the killer bees, and the, you know, our listen militian likely. I just remember my dad got being gone a lot, and I talked with Meena Serono Snuka to me and. Snuka. Her dad was Jimmy Jimmy, and she said that, you know her dad would be gone like three hundred days a year. My dad and Jimmy Snuka actually travelled together at times and our dads were gone misfit, a hell of a card. Driving on my dad loved. He really is not very, no, it's funny. I never really. I never heard bash anybody. My dad's very funny thing about him. Like besides Luke gallows fake Dallas. Gals? My dad was really my dad was just like he was just really cool, and that's what I'm going back to that. Because I, I keep looking at these pictures of my dad and it's like he was dressing like Conor McGregor back in the eighties. He had this like weird shirt and sunglasses, and it was like a flower shirt with these really tight jeans and like they were like, whoa, my dad was like, he's he were the pink kind of bad news Alleanza like the kind of the African on it. I remember I saw that as I forgot pink leather like African hat, and I don't even think it was a man's hat. I think it was a woman a day just found his to have known the story. Like, did he maybe get Brett one? Two and was thinking he's wearing it. He could pull it off ipad. Yeah. Like Brett just has the best stories about my dad, but my dad was just so cool and he just growing up like wasn't unusual for my dad to come to our PTA meetings with the fanny pack on not shirt wearing spandex with my dad used to wear the natured no-shirt Meese leaves. I give me some time. I've known them like like like like buzz like you'd wear underneath your knee pad. All Gotcha. Like the neoprene. Yes. Got you. Wear them around his ankles. So he had like his almost like he had a little boot on with this knee, you'd wear air Jordans or whatever. The coolest tennis shoes were. He's a big shoe guy and like Rolex watches to me Lonzo. Jim all the time with like the shorts in the the tight, yeah, underneath. Yeah, that was Jim's level that. So he he would go to your, do you recall him going and having a conversation with the teacher. Did you ever have to go talk to teacher because you've got in trouble or something? He came and gave a, we had a bring your bad the work day, and my dad. My, I'm not joking. My little sisters can attest to this. My dad came on his ninja motorcycle and he, my dad loved these like shirts like they were if you remember them no fear and some of them had like these really drug nut derogatory, but sort of derogatory messages like no fat chicks allowed or like that's right. And like some of them were just like, we're so eighties, right? So so eighties, I don't even know where he got them, but it was just funny because my dad was show up. He'd be wearing the kneepads on his ankles, the fancy fancy like pumps, Reebok pumps or the Doorns or the. He'd just had these cool shoes on. I can't remember what the cool shoe wasn't eighties, but something and game with like no shirt on fanny pack, ninja motorcycle. And then he, I think my mom made it put a shirt on, but he, he talked to the kids. It was like, miss Moore was my teacher, and he came and talked to the kids about now. It's so important for them to excel in sports and that for him it wasn't even about academics. It was about, and he was because my dad had a full scholarship to any university in the US that he wanted anyone. It really anywhere in the world football for shopping shopping when my dad was eighteen years old LA times actually, when my dad passed away, they posted an article and my dad has a whole. I'm so happy. We're talking about this. This is really therapeutic for me as I appreciate you guys letting me talk about it my whole life. My dad would talk about this track meet, and it was like he'd always talk about this guy and this track meet in this guy that he had to beat and it was like, come on, he pleases the, like, you know, my dad would just talk about this track meet and it was like almost what my dad was making this up because I was like, come on like my dad's like Dubai. I was going to be the best in the world when I was eighteen and surely enough. When my dad passed away l. a. times sent me, tweeted me the article and I'll show it to you. Tweeted me the article in a picture, and they said this, this meet. My dad did a whole interview with them. And it said this was the meat that it my dad at this time. My dad was second in the nation. For shop wet and that his like, if he beat you walk are do belong. Okay, this guy, I think it was John DuBois, DuBois anyway, if you beat why I was like, oh my God. My dad talked with DuBois. My whole lot is real and I was like, this is the article. This is the meat. This is what my dad was talking about. I never. I was just thinking he was asking me. You're so funny because it's not like it's like the album de Poci thing. It's not like it's not like Ben who didn't do anything athletic, the rest of his life. All you should have seen this one time forty years ago. He went on to excel in all types of athletics, but this point seventy three. The this at this time, my dad was before he had this meet. He was the second best shot put her in the nation. So because of his shot pudding, he. Could go to any university in the US that he wanted to. But my dad was a cowboy and he just, I guess, at the time UCLA was the place to be track. And that was where Bruce Jenner went for track and field. My dad would always talk about Bruce Jenner for his debt Khatlon or triathlon he'd borrow my dad's Lana think maybe he borrow my Bruce Jenner borrow. My dad put and my dad was just an elite elite athlete, but that article was like, oh my God, my dad wasn't just like, not that. I think he's a Bs are, but like second best in the nation come on Mike, and it's cool when you get like my dad played hockey for ten years in jail, and I'll get tweets from people finding articles or a picture of my mom and dad from nineteen sixty seven in Los Angeles at a hotel next to the pool, or it's cool that when you have a dad of a family that has some some, you know, some history when you find this stuff. It's so cool and our social means. That's right. Yeah, that's the good side of it. Right. And it's just, yeah, all these people have been sending pictures and like I just I just think my dad was just such. An elite unique he he was my dad taught me more than any other person, and I know you're very, I think you have a lot of accent, which I think are good. It's good for your kids and for people around the world to go like even just your last like gear cost locally at it in new Japan was just very unique. My dad has taught me my whole life to be unique. He he's just don't don't color inside the lines. Just be different b. Stand out be every it's so important to be different. And I, I think that sometimes more afraid to be different. My dad has dot me so much about being different standing out, you know, just being like Brett was more kind of look at the heart foundation. Brett was more civilized and normal, not normal, but he was more like the heartthrob in my dad was like, just crazy. It was. It was why was such a great mix? He was like he looked. He looked insane and he was big and he was barrel chested. And like I said, he had the gut that wasn't a gut. It was just a big man's stomach lifter powerlifter the goatee. And we talked about this when he was on the show, like in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. Nobody had go like that nowadays every rock and roll band everybody. But nobody had that. It was the only guy you could say, who has who has a flattop haircut and a long goatee wearing pink, peac stood out just being different. Like my dad just like loved being different. And we went our last. Outing was this mashing bumpkins concert and Billy is Billy just anybody that knows Billy knows. He just loves wrestling and my dad Billy was always so kind to my dad made my dad feel really important and special or my dad. I don't. I don't know if my dad ever really. I mean, that's kind of wasn't my dad's generation music, but because Billy was so nice to him, my dad came to the concert and he was just looking at all these costumes abilities like that. These these a bad ass and he's like, I like that like Billy had a skirt on and like paint on his face. And my dad was like this, so cool. Like you see him playing guitar. Like he was just like, I remember that I said to Billy, I'm like, I'm not sure if my dad's going to be able to make it through the full concert. But Bill Billy's like we'll just if he doesn't feel good comeback stage. My dad was rocking out at that concert and like I was like, daddy's got more energy than me. My sisters, my mom, like, you know, it's funny. I was telling you have to like he he came to light, but like eleven o'clock at night. And he was like, that was great. You're on the air. Like my point is is that my dad was just really different and he had that energy and he just like people that were different. 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And I remember I was such a small kid anyway, thinking how huge is this guy's giant and and then all of a sudden you hear him speak very soft spoken and berry like very eloquent though. We'll talk about that now. We'll talk about that natty because he spoke very intelligent lately which wants to end you wouldn't expect such a big crazy looking guy fast forward. I don't for whatever reason we, we always got along when he he had a job in Sasebo before natty and I were together. But in two thousand he was he was actually telling me about Brian Kendrick and Daniel Bryan because he was in, he was in Memphis, Jim out of job as a talent. Oh. In Memphis. And so he's, he came to a stampede shooting Toco. You'd be great. And he took a bunch of pictures of me wrote a bio, which is very funny like he wrote it for you. Very funny. I pictures Ted nineties, like all this is perfect. They're looking for young guys and you just feel like I don't we and we got along ever since and we never ever ever had any kind of it ever ever. I don't even think my dad like never really acknowledged that we were a couple even to the end, like it was like DJ was like utilize nagging said, I think it'd be knew that we were together. You might not like what you're married. Split the Bill. I always vision because my dad would never like he's because you guys have been been dating since you were teenagers. I think he knows the exact Dan Mattias in one thousand nine hundred twenty one at the time. Okay, so it was very early on. Yeah. Yeah. And so one day the kid that's always hanging out dating my daughter. Everything's so unorthodox and unconventional about our relationship. We already living together as friends in the guesthouse at stews. So like and we don't sure everybody already thought we were together. All right. So we were really well. You were really. Annoying for a long time, four years. Because you in Ted, we're really close teddy Hart. And so I always thought teaching it was taboo get on my nerves because he's always trying to act cool and you're guilty by association doesn't get. He's like, it was just like like two peas and upon. Being money from being friends with that was funny because it was guilty by association, but then also over time, it was easy to look like the easy going person compared to him too, so. So you have to get past that first day JR. But then after that, it's like he's pretty good. It's not as bad as him. It's chubby guy hanging out with the Cheb your guy, mcclinton comparison. But let's talk about the eloquence. And you mentioned Kevin done talking about when he saw gyms, like baby pictures, like, oh my gosh, he was so classy as a child talk a little bit about about his family upbringing. Yeah. And then my dad was really, he was from a very affluent family and his. His dad was an attorney and his, his grandfather was a district attorney, and his mom was just this beautiful. Almost like off the show you a picture of her, but she just looked like a Hollywood starlet and his sister was just. Trying to think Debbie is she works. She does something with them, the courts in California, but they're like very well educated, very classy kids, and my grandfather or no, my great grandfather. My dad's grandfather who my dad idolized call them poppy. You always my mom and dad talk out. He owned a hotel called the lamp later in Disneyland. And so my my dad's street. Right? Yeah, like it was like in back then to think of owning a hotel. Sure. Disney was like crazy. And so the the lamp lighter would host all of these starlets like Rita Hayworth and Clark Gable would play on the piano there. My dad mom and their living room have that piano that Rita Hayworth and Clark Gable would play. Wow. And my dad like that was so special with my mom, they, they have it still in their going through everything. Every thing every high and low of my mom and dad's life that was like front and center because it was like Rita Hayworth late on that. But it's such a special like my dad just came from a very that would explain his his his speech. Well, educated again, went to UCLA had a full scholarship there. His mom and dad were very, my dad came from a very wealthy background, and it's funny because that's the opposite of what my mom came from. Because the hearts it was always sort of feast or famine. If right, if this was good, it is if stampede wrestling was things were great. They were on top. If they, if business wasn't good, they were barely able to eat Brett's wearing wearing Waring's. Wayne's dole jeans. Hello? And so my dad was from the opposite of that. So he was kind of spoiled and never wanted for anything, but I think growing up with for my dad, one of the hardest things in his childhood was when my when his parents, my grandparents, when they split up, my dad went to live with his dad and my aunt Debbie, who is my dad's only sibling. She went to live with her mom. So. It was like in their teens, and that was really hard because they were so close. But you know, it was like, I don't know who made the decision, but it was like, okay, gyms going to live with Hank and Debbie's going to live with Katie. And it was like, I think it was really hard for my dad because his kinda world was being ripped apart. So that was a traumatic thing for my dad and his his life. And I think I sometimes think never really got over his parents divorce because they were such a close secure, tight-knit little family. So as we got older, my mom and dad like through thick and then they were always together. They always worked everything out my mom. I said this at the funeral service and my mom, she how while my dad was she deserved Nobel peace prize thing. So they never, they never split up, never. Why like they, they have, you know, my mom and dad, they had a, I feel like it's safe to say that they had their ups and downs, but they never be never got a divorce. They never had a break-up that lasted longer than twenty four hours. It just was like, my mom would get mad and my dad would be like, you know, they just they had envelopes. While my dad was just just by proxy those worth the majority of those guys in the eighties. Yeah, just by their schedule and what they were going through and all the it was the eighties. Everybody was drugs and steroids or whatever it was, but angle was one of the guys that was wilder than wild. Yeah, it's a little your mom to put up with. That's what I say saying his genetics must be just be so insane lately, right? Because he he's around from those times and he's like here. He is a few weeks, so he's still strong as hell? Yeah, he's my dad was just, I'm like, I said, I know I keep going back to it, but he was just so cool and so different. Like even up until the end, like he loved those roots of fight shirts and every time more every single time I would Vander Holyfield Mike Tyson. Every picture that you post, he's wearing one of the people at route to fight. They're so sweet. They always send me like they would always send me boxes for my dad. So I had this little box that was stashed away still have it, and I wouldn't like every time he comes over, he gets a new shirt. I loved. I loved because my dad's. A big kid. He was like a big kid and gifts. He loves gifts and loves little presents and stuff, and I so I always had this little stash of things I'd collect like from work. I would get like Big Joe shirt or Mark Henry Johnson. I would have the all these shirts for him, and I think my dad loved that because I love to give them little gifts when he came over. So he would just get really excited. He'd almost like ripped bag open with his teeth. And so I still have this box. Every time I came over, he would like March in the house like Porky pig as retin, call them. He still wars fanny pack teddy had a president for you, and he's like present for me like any opened up a whole. I love this and sometimes the shirts that bit him, but he didn't care. You know, it's funny. We talked about the fanny pack on the show and two years ago when we tape that now fanny packs are popular. Again, he probably could find a better one time he couldn't find they wear. Right to the locker room with an Alexander Wang. That's the new thing now. I'm like, you gotta be frigging if all the fashioned, that's what's coming back in maybe a couple more years Hazel be rate on them. Probably never. But did you ever did you ever work with envelope TJ when he was doing independence or independence? So like Ted did and Harry as well, but I never, I never did any kind of natty natty team with them a couple of times actually. Did you. I saw there's one that you guys are doing a heartfelt. She clothesline tag match and Edmonton finished called the heart fund is your heart attack heart attack? We did right before I got signed. We had done like two tag matches together and my dad. I didn't want them wearing gear because I was like, no, you're too. You're not wearing your old year. You're not wearing gear from nineteen eighty. Like I was very, like I said, I'm very, I was very protective of my dad. I just wanted him to. I wanted to make sure he was on looking great. So he had this cool these motorcycle boots in these cool like motor cross pants that he was wearing and then we heart attack together. And so my dad's role always for the heart attack was to hold the guy like in a bear hug. And Brett's job was to hit the ropes and clothesline the guy. And so my dad was playing the role of himself and I was being breads and my dad. He just is so funny because like the way that's what the guy dug his heels into my dad's shins and my dad. Was so mad after that. He was like, he just dug his heels into my shins and like my dad wanted to kill the guy. And I was like, well, don't worry. Daddy. I took care of it was the clothes on. The poor guy said another one to Victor. Yeah, Rick, Victor, ascension. And so what my dad and he had not dig the heels. He's good worker. You did not dig the heels in, but my dad was just so funny because he didn't like being stiffed, but he but from what I understand, my dad was be most stiff guy ever, but he didn't like being stiff. So he didn't want anyone stipping him, but he was very stiff with everyone else. Here's here's something that's very funny. So I never met and Ville until he came to WCW him and Davey. And those guys when they came in, they were like the couldn't believe how dysfunctional WCW was envel- mentioned you'd never been paid so much money to do nothing, and they would show up there and just just hanging around. And because I was traveling with Ben wa and Eddie and dean, we then inherited Davey and and Jim because they're Calgary guys and like, right and I was guys do. We really want to go back to six and van because we started with six. We had paired or. I'm Ben was like, you know, the part of the family, like I get the part of the family, do we do. We really have to do this because then now we have to wear a who's going to the gym and who wants to do this, that all your. And so then I was not stuck, but trauma Davey and Advil. So it was. It was like, oh, I was. It wasn't like they weren't. I don't remember them being hard to try with those two extra guys and they couldn't believe it was going on and not smog is not small guys and also very outspoken and drinking beer in the car, whatever it was they were doing. But I had to work with anvil once and this is what I was finally getting a push in WCW when Davy just took off, we went to England. And then Jim, Jim, was there on his own. As we Dave, you're supposed to go to TV and do a couple more weeks and then meet us in England when he was dropping us off at the airport, he was like, and he just bought a ticket and, oh, you guys are working for like dick som- something. We're just going on like a family vacation and then so he he just split up. And then I remember seeing Jim afternoons Davey left me. You left me alone for the last six weeks. I've been working all these guys. Skied Norton, Chris Jericho. So this is what I was getting a push in w. I think it was the TV champion at the time, and I was crews wait for a long time even even though I weighed two hundred twenty five pounds, they still cruise away thing. So there was a little bit of a stigma. I said this on a podcast book and Bischoff got so mad, but there was a real stigma if you a away to work with the heavyweight guys Booker t. never wanted to do it. And Jim, I remember when I had to work with them, they were putting me over and gyms like he's a cruiserweight. And so as we had a match, I remember being a really good match, but the finish was the walls of Jericho when I could not turn him over. I don't doubt it and either he didn't want to be turned over or he didn't understand the concept that he'd been wrestling for twenty years. So I think he just didn't want to get turned over and I could not turn this guys. You can imagine. He's like a bowling ball, three hundred pounds. And I remember I tried. I couldn't do it. I tried again. And I haven't watched it back. But in my mind, I I didn't know what to do. It's live TV. I couldn't turn them over and just couldn't turn them over. And the best thing of all is there's a WW trading card that I have to sign all the time and who do I have the legs of the pink tights, the step aside, and I'm like accord. It looks good there, but I couldn't. And I think eventually turn them over a bit, and I don't think he was doing it like to double cross. I just think he either got confused or he got, he got excited or frustrated or whatever it was. We just couldn't do it. We couldn't do it. And that's the one time I worked with advocates still laugh to this day. So funny if you couldn't turn this guy over and he wasn't going anywhere. It's just like, sorry, live on TV on TV is the one time I ever with a man, but it was. It was. It was, like I said, we actually had a really good match, but I just remember that. I think my dad's sometimes you got, really, he got really if he was very set in his ways, which actually brings me to a bunny story. Total divas spoiler. Oh, so those are total divas in the can with him on. Oh, wow. Which is funny because there's a whole season, Mike, because I saw one cat at the funeral, like who is that guy? He was the producer from total divas. It's funny because I actually said to the producers guys name Russell Russell producers. Russell was so wonderful to my mom and dad. Like while we while we like he featured my dad on so many episodes of total divas because they all fell in love with my dad. He knows what to do, and he was just funny in different. Like he just stood out and these my dad was born for reality TV. He was just so funny. And so they called Russell just was calling to say, you know, hey, I'm really sorry about everything. And just he was crying and like beside himself about when he found out about my dad's passing and. He says, wrestling, go, you know what you guys were so great to my dad and so kind and so sweet and just featured him front and center. I said, I would love for my dad to get another little spotlight. If you guys want to come and you know if you wanna film his service and you know, my dad would love that he would love all the attention. He would love it, and so they came. That's why that's why Russell was there? Did they film it? They did some of the service vary. Like, let's cool though. Just the one Carolina idle just very, you know, that's the thing is you didn't even notice that they were there. They were very discreet and I thought, you know, my dad like my dad just he would just love to be honored and and so my dad is in all this whole season coming up of total divas and we had this funny what was Orioles gonna get to you mentioned he was sitting his ways. Yes, thank you. This is why you're good at this being attention back on track and like babbling on right now. Hard. I Gotcha. You got. And so my dad, we were doing this hot yoga and my sister and I. Started doing yoga, and we just love doing hot yoga. And so I thought this'll be funny like my dad should come and do yoga with us. And we funny to see my dad trying to do these poses. And so my dad, we were trying to get him to wear yoga clothes because you can't go into a yoga class wearing jeans or motocross pants or like, and so I was trying to get my dad these little shorts, but I didn't realize we gave them the shorts. They were like they were neon green and they were kind of like thin. And I thought, oh, when we start the hot yoga class, that's going to be really funny. My dad's wearing these skin-tight neon, green see-through shorts, and it's going to get really hot, and we're all going to get really sweaty in this class and my dad for the life of him. Just like you said, when he wouldn't let you turn them over in the walls of Jericho, he would not put on the pants and go daddy. I will give you ten thousand dollars right now. If you put the pants on. Of course, I wasn't going to give him that making it up. I go, daddy, I'll buy you a motorcycle. Put the put shorts on my dad's like no. Go, daddy, put the pants on. My dad was like, I'm not doing it. And it was like grabbing my dad with large large amounts of money, new motorcycle. I was like, you can have. You can have our house like my dad like, no, I don't want to like he didn't care what I offered. He wasn't putting the shorts on and he stuck to his guns. And he was like, Nope. And and to this day I laughed because I was like, I just thought, how funny would that be? Like we got like I got my dad into this yoga class and he, you know, we're twenty. When you guys came back here, he was still pretty hard. His mad. He was wanted me to put on these silly shorts, bicycle shorts. Very thin. If you didn't want to do something, he didn't want to do it. And that's probably what happened with you. I think he said he's not going to do this move. And I'm not, I said, have the rest of the match a strong do, but I was like, I remember almost thinking like, I don't know what to do like. I'm just going to drop the legs and maybe hit him with an elbow drop or something. I don't know what to do. Do so growing growing up in the business. When do you remember going to see your dad wrestle at all, and when did you kind of figure out that it was not not completely real, didn't really want us around his work too much because my dad was like my grandfather, Stu, he was very traditional and my way my dad was in WWE for a good portion of it. There was only since ational Sherry in Wendy, writ- writing miss Elizabeth and like there was very few women, especially in the eighties, there was just a handful of women. So my dad, you know, he loved of Sean. That was one of his favorite girls. He just thought she was awesome. And she was again, unique Lutely. I love. I like creek characters stood out, and I think my dad. Found that like he liked that about her is that she was so different. He'd always say like, he'd always tell me that he wished I would have met loon of Sean, but he didn't want us really around it because he felt like it was very much like it was just kind of a man's world. And then he didn't wanna seeing the tough and rough side of it. So he was very protective of us. Girls his daughters like we were just very, very protected. Whereas Brett would have his kids around it more and but you know, there's kids do sons were boys in. I don't know, Brad has daughters around much either, but we were protected from it. I didn't see a lot of it. The I do remember one very special show that we all went to, which was the Canadian stampede in one thousand nine hundred seven. I believe I was there and you're doing? Yeah, we all came to that show and it was that was the last time that my entire family was in the ring together. Owen and Davey and my dad, Brad in Bilman, like just everyone was together. It was the last time I hope family was in the ring together and that was so special. I just remember like that being such a special. I remember being in that time thinking, this is also. Oh, cool. Like in, you know, obviously things got crazy after that, but but it was so many hearts in the ring that night. It was like thoroughly. Royal rumble a couple stragglers do because I can't. I don't know. I don't think I don't think. But yeah, we might. If you watch your back, you'll see like gyms the one guiding Stu into the ring and stuff and Helen. Yeah, but my dad was a real as Burley and rough and tough as he was. He was really a gentleman. He and my mom, remarried this year would have been forty years and they were, you know, my dad was extremely like he knew my mom was in charge. He knew my mom was the boss. My mom was, you know, she was. She really wore the pants, even though they had their ups and downs where the pink spandex is a conversation. He didn't wear the green. My dad really liked my mom kind of being charged like he, my mom, my mom was kind of like Stu and my mom has a lot of mannerisms like sushi's very, very stoic, like my grandfather and my dad. He just like there was nobody in the world that he loved more than my mom like she was just his. You know, she was just everything and my mom had my mom had my dad's back like like no matter what sort of conflict like my mom and dad were like something out of the sopranos or good Bellas, but no matter what kind of conflict they were having, whether my dad didn't wanna wear spent tight spandex or whether we didn't, even if my mom said a swear word, my mom, my dad would be like Ellie. Will you watch your language? You know, it was just funny because it's like just my dad was such a bundle of contradictions, but so let's talk about Jim and Stu. Because I knew we we talked before about how brought him in the stuff. Did you ever it was ever any stories that happen between the two? Did they hang out before Stu passed away? My grandfather was obsessed with my dad. Like I think is Brett mentioned at the service. My dad was the last person that ever really trained with Stu like that was the last studio, actual Stu Hart rained? Yeah, that was his last student end. My grandfather was obsessed with my no matter what my dad did, no matter what mistakes my dad made in his life. It didn't matter to my grandfather, my student walk in the house and it was my dad guy. My grandfather would look my dad up and down be like he didn't care if my dad had just, you know, he didn't. He just my dad. We looked at my dad. He looked at his neck. He looked at his arm body up and he was like. Solid. You know, he's a solid SOB in like you call my dad a big bastard. He called me get back on track. Yeah. What he looked like. He was obsessed with my dad, and it's so funny because I remember my dad had been let go from WWE. Probably third, fourth, maybe fifth time he's up there with Martin. A few different runs. But I remember my mom writing a letter because back then they didn't have emails and they just had phones or snail mail letter. My mom wrote a letter Vince and and it just kind of been has an had such a special relationship with everybody in my family. And my mom wrote this letter to Vince and I found the letter, I'm gonna show it to you later. But my mom wrote this letter to been saying, you know, just in the future, if you get my invest in the future, please give give him another chance or take it into take it into consideration. You'd like to continue to work for WWE and Vince new the my dad just had to kind of get a few things sorted out in his life. And Vince wrote my mom, this really beautiful letter back. And he was like, Elliott. This time right now, I think Jimmy's a lesson. It was like it was like. Fatherly. Vince though it was like very, very fatherly. And I actually, I have the letter in one day. I will show it to Vince, but it was just it was reminded me of my grandfather, Stu and how like forgiving and loving Vince was even towards my dad even when he was going through ups and downs. He was like, you know right now at this time we feel it's best takes takes breeders sort of thing. And and then he signed it like Vince and he, you know, he took the time to write this letter and sign it, send it back to my mom and it was like their communication, their mutual understanding like Vince respected my dad, but like it just like stupid. He understood that my dad like, you know, at that time, my dad needed to kind of grow. We needed to kind of be, you know, we needed. He needed some distance from them, you'd have seen, and but Stu is like that too. Very forgiving of my dad and very, he. He loved my dad, and my dad has had this charisma, sometimes charisma get you through so much absolute. My dad got out of so many different things in his life because he had so much. You could talk the pants off anyone, right? Right, right. Yeah, you know and that and that's important to be able to do that. You have great life skill. Yeah, especially for a guy like Advil. In trouble. 'cause I know Stu went to bat for Jim, a few times, even back when the regional territory was sold to Vince. Right, Bruce, Berkshire. We'll talk about on his podcast. Allow he'll do a student impersonation and it's always you got any you gotta room for an Ville on the and it's always like, he's like every time Jim came back was still making that phone call. And yeah, Vince being then he that he loves Stu, any did love Jim. So he was like, okay, we'll find some. And Vince really love. Yeah, Stu students, Yanni bad ever there. Jim was doing great or if something had happened to his out, we just gotta get them back on track. Then he'll be great for, like you said, just looking at his neck. Yes, that's a stupid thing. Grab your arm and guess how much you weigh did twenty five. He was like a carnival Barker you could get it right just by feeling your arm. One hundred eighty just had this talk with a lesser, not too long ago, but he brought, yeah, with the guests. Brock's wait at that Calgary the one time and you're right, you're the one who introduced them, but gosh, what do pass seven eight. It was the day you wrestle vibe rock. Yes. Probably two thousand three or so three. Two thousand to maybe yet around that time. Three, three on three rape before I went to Japan. That's the only time I ever worked with Brock was Calgary and shows how about Owen, Owen and Jim team together as the new heart foundation get along wells as well, they, yeah. No, my dad Owen got along. Great. And I think I think Owen was like its own was very straight laced, very other than his intense practical jokes. I think Owen really looked after my dad and Bret really did too, and that's why I, you know, not get back to brat. But like Brett said that he owed a lot of success in his career to my dad, but in fairness to Brad and this isn't about brat. I know this is about my dad, but I believe strongly that my dad was never meant to be a single guy. He was always meant to be was going to say that earlier he was, and I just feel like that. And I'm probably the most just being in the business, understanding understanding some things about that. I understand tag teams like nobody else, but I just feel strongly that my dad was never meant to be a single guy and that he and Brett complimented each other so much. But I just know my dad's personality and I know that I feel like Brett really kept them on track and Bret really gave my dad, my dad needed structure. My mom provided that for my dad. She gave my dad's structure that he needed. He provided at home and Brett provided rep provided that for him at work and Brett was like, and I guess that's the quality of heart heart's what? What makes heart so special? Is that even though they're all little offbeat, they're all extremely loyal. They're fiercely loyal. If they stand by you, they'll stand by you through thick and thin. Doesn't matter if you're on top where you're on the bottom. That's just how they roll. And Brett's was fiercely loyal to my dad protected. My dad kept them on track the way that my mom did at home. And I feel like if it wasn't for Brett, I think my dad, I don't know if my dad would have had this success in WWE that he did, and Owen and Brett Davey and they all kind of kept his little unit even when BULLDOGS left WWE and they all were so close because they started together when you travel the road with someone, you know, you just build this unbreakable bond that you can. Explain it to people only when you travel with them only when people do what we do. Do they understand that like when when Davy passed away, Jim Serta wearing this, one of his need one of Davies's kneepads a bulldog Union. Jack nip has an elbow pad. Josie was doing. Yeah. Say that because there's certain guys like I, if you look at the Aerosmith okay, we know Steven Tyler, Joe pair, but there's a guitar player, Brad Whitford if he wasn't an Aerosmith probably wouldn't be famous, but in that band in that chemistry. Perfect. I think anvil was like that. Like you mentioned something about the chemistry with those two in the heart foundation. He was. He was perfect for that. And that's why he so legendary within the business because that is one of the greatest tag teams of all time, and it's okay that you're not a huge single star. There's nothing wrong with that because in his in his legacy, that was the perfect role for him. And that was what my dad just needed, Brad, he needed. And that was that, and thank God time Brent needed him to because Brett wasn't trying to make it to his far as he would've. Yes. So that's why it's that's why it's a great pairing one second. Yeah, no, no, exactly. Each other they didn't and they, I think they both knew that even if they didn't. I know Brad has expressed that later even if they didn't express it at that time, I think they both knew it. And I think I. To if you're talking about Bret Hart in one thousand nine hundred eighty six or eighty five. He was not a good promo. He wasn't particularly charismatic. I mean he could deliver his lines had to, but it was angle was the one that the lie, the laugh. You know, he made it like he made them crazy. We're Brett was the technician yet, but ammo was the bell rang. That's Brett's play. That's where he goes to work. And also I found that Jesse Ventura he must have loved animals. Well, because he always put anvil over which made us believe more in has crazy in the powerhouse. And yeah, and that sort of thing. You know, I agree. Any think exactly. It's like we said earlier and we said last time, just a combination. There are very different than the rest of the tag teams of that time. Everyone else is the same or very slim it to the partner, Ryan bees of the same. Same BULLDOGS. Same slipped the same heart function for some weird reason. This one team and there was like some poll, and this might might have been five years ago or longer on some WBZ. Dot com. Paul, but like they won some voting of like best tag team of all time, the Hart foundation, and I strongly, I mean, obviously they're working and everything they did is why I strongly feel that them being so different from the other guy, I think, helps you know, I had that they that they weren't in the w hall of fame. I was like, what are you talking about? Of course, they're in it. You know idea that they weren't as attacked him. But I think like once again, so many people texting that, you know, you talk to once in a while, but everyone was talking about the anvil and remembering like that was such a great team and also to Jimmy Hart. I mean, it worked and that's one thing for Vince to put them together. Whoever's vision it was. He made all three of those guys top top stars and they wouldn't have been if they were just all in their own. Ninety complimented each other as a unit and like. It was kind of like what Brett said at the service that he was getting ready to quit real. I don't remember that. He said he was getting ready to quit rape, and then they went with his idea to eat, and I want him to be the cowboy is getting ready to quit. But he was like, okay, you know, I've kind of run my course year. And then the next week is when they said, hey, we're going with your idea, right? All right. So the really there wouldn't be. I mean, who knows what would have happened. Did Jim still do like signings and stuff like that was the out there. Rarely in the last year or two, I didn't really want my dad doing signings. Not that I didn't want him seeing the fans, or I just, I really liked it project my dad. And like I said, I just knew that my dad sometimes being around a lot of people would be overwhelming to him. And so that's why I just, I was like, you know what? I want my dad, my mom to have no stress in their life. And I think for my dad, sometimes getting on a plane in like feeling overwhelmed and getting into a surrounding like a hotel and it just, I think sometimes the last two years of my dad's life, I just felt like it was a little overwhelming for him. So I just like my mom and dad, you know, I just made sure that they were protected and my dad, I think he would have loved the interaction with the fans more because he loved feeling important. He loved that spotlight. My dad loved to be in front of people and entertain. But I think also at the same time, he thought a little overwhelmed with his condition. So I very rarely let my dad do signings. He maybe did to in a year maybe, but anybody that was lucky enough to get him designed stuff, you know, obviously. Now it's going to be very special that they got him design anything because I just I really kept them kind of protected. It's funny as you were talking. I remember actually another animal story. It was the voice. My very first days in wrestling camp when Keith showed up, which is probably one of three days that he was there out of the three months and some os tell us soil. You hide just came back from it was working with Advil and some guy was doing three hundred pound bench, press name and it's really impressive bunch. You put another fifty pounds on put another one hundred pounds on, hey, put another one hundred and fifty pounds on did a four hundred fifty pound bench press went balloon pump. Catching. All right. Let's blow this popsicle stand and off. They went to get through at BJ's Jefferson, something like that. Dad role, good. We'll put off the fifty another hundred hundred and fifty one. Yeah, one of the guys that that was training in the dungeon before he had a story that he rented the gym at the gym and he said, and the last if he could work in, he was doing bench press. You said, yeah, man, no problem is you want to get in. I think he's doing to twenty five. He's like, you can go. So he goes, maybe puts on another plate three fifteen. He said, Jimmy, went to work in. Nope, you go and then guy goes and it's starting to get pretty heavy puts on maybe puts on twenty five hundred sixty five GM lugs passes on that set. Finally, four zero five. The guy the guy said I can't do four or five gyms like, okay, I'll take over now. Do any of the warm sets. Yeah, that would lift. And that was my dad. That was how my dad worked out. He would ask me if he go work in, he didn't work. He would work out by doing two sets of something right. He would literally walk up to a squat rack, squat six hundred pounds and walk out of the gym. That's it. And then he'd be like, I'm out, you don't like, but I do remember growing up that my dad, I don't think I've ever told anybody this, including you. I, my dad when we were growing up, we had a big, huge jarred and my dad. I remember how dedicated my dad was when he was on. This is the eighties during the heyday of the heart bound Dacian and my dad would sprint across the lawn as fast as he could. And I remember like as a kid going, that's crazy that daddy's running so fast. He was like a racehorse running. He have a start point where the mailbox was, and then all the way to the neighbors like edge their lawn. But we had a big yard at a big house in like my dad would run fast and hard, and he would that was his training. You would do these like wind sprints, and my dad would always take the shot, but we had in the garage because my dad was shot putter and always want my sister's to throw the shot put and always put it in the middle of the line. Like let's go, we were all like, no, we didn't think anything growing up. We weren't like, wow, daddy was a great track and field athlete. It was always just like our dads WWE legs. Always thought of them, like it was so cool that are dab was we would take my dad's championship. We didn't even appreciate my dad's track career. We always just like whatever like, 'cause like I said, it was like, WWE was the cool thing and but my dad when he had won the tag titles, we'd take my sisters and I took out his championship out of his bag. And he had one of those silver Halliburton's. They'll have them back then and it reeked. It wreaked up not of capi. It didn't surprise if this was family feud. I would've guessed Kathy. It didn't recap b, but it reeked. I would always get my dad. This icy hot, and so it's reeked of ice up always smelt like ice which are they would also put on the vising bottles which I told last time Rivi other by squirting vising laced with Tiger Balm, icy hot into each other's eyes. That's funny. The good ribs. He real funny real funny and real mind now, and we took funny our cat to pauses in. L. about. He's right in my podcast bag. He's right, don't wet that. Don't wet that. The two pause cast his picture. So go ahead. Tell the story all let you get the picture. I got it done, but my sister saw when I stole my dad's championship out of his Halliburton and my dad was getting ready to perform that night at Madison Square Garden with bread, and we took the title out of the bag and we were running around the house, and my dad took off for the airport without the title, and then he was going through security. He was like, oh my God, I like he realized that he didn't have it. So my mom, of course, like my mom, my mom and dad were like, like I said, the only way I can describe their relationship with like goodfellas. My dad was like Ray Liotta. My mom was the wife. She must have put up with end. My mom raced back to our house from the Tampa airport. We lived in land lakes. She raced back to our house inland lakes in like twenty minutes, probably going crazy speed that I can't even describe and got that championship back to my dad before he took off. That's great. And it was just like, because people going to realize when you have a title you, you have the title, you'll you hold onto your responsibility to take it to and from the town's. Yeah, you can't have up to go on the road for the next twenty eight deaths, right? Yeah, exactly. So my mom got that back to, but I just remember when we were kids, we just thought it was so cool like we just had such and then my dad would come home. We'd be gone be gone. And I tried to kind of mention this that the general, but I didn't wanna get long winded at the Pierre role really didn't want to be hillbilly. Jim plus was bless his heart. I love hillbilly Jim, but I didn't want to get too long winded a hall of fame speech, which was nine hours. I think he's still doing it. As a matter of fact, it was long and. And it was, you know, he speaking from the heart, but it was very long and I didn't want to be like, I just thought to myself after that night, I was like, I just could never be like that. And I mentioned that my dad when he come home, one of the things that always stands out to me about my childhood when my dad would get off the road, we had a routine because he'd be gone for like twenty eight days at a time. So mom knew that we wouldn't see my dad very much because she kind of almost raised us as like a single mom home for like four days or something maybe made Abajo maybe three days, maybe maybe the weekend. So my mom knew that those days that my dad came home, we have to really make those days count. And so my mom would let us miss school and pick my dad up from the airport. My dad would have presence for us because we love presence. I told you about when I get my dad presence, that was a learned behavior and my dad loved presence in you would have all these presents for us little things like when he vipers class that give you the little bag and like the thing in the socks. And I remember my sisters and I love so great. We, we thought it was greatest thing ever. Daddy has little delta bag bras. And Mike, my dad would get KOMO knows from Japan and special a little dolls from, you know, when they stayed at the. KEO plaza. And and so my dad would always have presents for us. That was the first thing we got presence, and then we'd go to toys r. us and my dad would let us get whatever we wanted. And so we'd always get a barbecue or whatever. And then we go to seven, eleven because my mom was like stew. She didn't. There was no junk food allowed in our house. Like my mom was like, we had the worst lunches as kids because I'll be like a sake ham and cheese sandwich that melted in Florida, sun with an apple stuck on top of the and my dad was like Catholic cool. You know, he was like, we're going to go to seven, eleven. We'd all walk into seven eleven. That was I think, as a kid that was our favorite thing was seven. Eleven? We go into seven, eleven? My dad would let us get four things each. We'd get slurpy. We'll get a certain candy. We would get chips in like something else like a ring pop. So whatever and my dad would, we'd all go into check out. We will be like that was just our thing. We'd get our little junk food and we would take our time eating the Doritos we would. Everything was savored from those little trips and my dad would. Let us stay up until all hours of the night. We could stay up to a one or two in the morning if we wanted. My dad would make us Margaritas and he would make Margaritas for my mom and him. He was master Margarita maker. That was his thing. He again, Kelly thing, he would make these Margaritas and he had a special way of making them. He put dumped the entire bottle. It's Keila into the blender, and then mix in the juice and they were like so strong. But that was for him and my mom dab, and then he'd make us a little sample version of that virgin semi. So and I, I could get a little edgy on your show. They were stay little bit of tequila. And what do you like eight years old? And we didn't stay to this day the girls like the twins. And when we're filming total divas, I always love like a Margarita because always reminds me of when like because of my dad, I'm very, like I have a pretty clean life because I'm always like, I want to be the opposite, but but I loved Keelan to this day because my dad would always lives have a little tiny taste of it. And we go swimming in the pool. My dad would play the doors. He loved the doors and we would play the door. That's why we played riders on the storm at my dad's. And so we would listen to the doors. We'd go swimming in the pool. We would have our Margaritas and we would eat our chips in our toys and it was like we were spoiled rotten when my dad was home just for three days. And then when my dad would leave, we was back to business. But those were great job. Those we made the times count with my dad. We made the moments count even if it was just for a few days. We just made made account. As we wind down here, did you talk to Vincent all after? Did he talk to you too? Jim passed away. I did talk to him and he, he just was so so supportive. And so like he just was just. Vince is just, I know vents is always loved my dad, and they've always just like Stu, I, I talk affectionately about my grandfather's do, but I kind of feel the same way about Ben's. He just has that fatherly bins is very fatherly to a lot of us, and I think that's really cared about my dad and gave my dad's so many opportunities. And so many opportunities to shine and bins was just so supportive and so understanding. And he just wanted me to be with my my mom and my sisters and just pretty much was open to whatever I needed. And what was so sweet was just being included in summer slam because I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to make show, and you know been really wanted me there. And I think for as long as I live, I will remember like thinking to myself, you know what I needed that I actually really needed to go to summer slam and get my mind off of this course and been wanted me to have that. He just wanted me to get my mind off things or gyms jacket, didn't you? Yeah. And it was like. I just felt so proud walking out there and like I felt like my dad had a lot to do with that. Like it was just so nice because I got to honor my dad. I got my mind off of things. I almost wasn't even sure if I was going to be able to go to summer slam because I was like, gosh, this is just so soon. I just don't know if I can do it. And then after the funeral, once we were done with the funeral, I was like, you know what? I kind of have to start getting back to being natty. I have to start getting back to living in like summer slam was only six days after my dad died, but I also just wanted to get back to being me because I felt like I was in such a fog from Monday the day that my dad passed away to Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday was the funeral. I just felt like I was in this blur and prevents want me to be at summer slam and obviously sharing that special moment with Rhonda. It was just an. I told Vince that I said it was just really what I needed. It was what I needed to get my mind off of everything. And it was just like, I just wanted to. I was scared to go because I was like, I don't. I don't know if I would be emotionally stable just because I am so close to my dad, and I didn't want to be crying in front of everyone and having people see me cry and just not knowing if somebody brought up my dad would I start crying and I was there was moments where I did kind of break down a little bit, but there was moments that I was totally fine. I just wanted to go out there when everybody saw my dad's jacket the entire world. Got it. Everybody understood. In the, you know, the trials and tribulations of the hearts and McMahon's go back, you know, forty fifty years, but Vince still respects your family and so does the, you know, the WB universe. I came amusing, Vince for Nike. So do the wrestling fans. Sorry. They appreciate the lineage again for you. You would come out before to Brett's music, but coming out with anvils jacket. I mean, that's that's who you are and people know it, and that's why I was really happy to see. Because like I said, we've seen so many guys pass away and sometimes you get a graphic or whatever. But Jim got like that piece like a full sag with that. Like you said. That is prime real estate. I mean, I've had one hundred matches shorter than that on so of, you know, get cut short in that. Obviously, it all goes through vents prevents to approve that and say, because Vince could also say it's too long, but to give three minutes to the envel- that's that's says a lot. Now I don't even like the the the end of the sag before that was, hey, up next trip. As came band, play that video, then go to the the on camera. Now. I know the. That's your thing. And Michael, Colin, Rene kind of talking about it and you know what? I'm so it just kept like a big deal and even Rhonda opening up raw with. That's right. You mentioned him to like just talking about my dad, and I just think my dad would have been so happy in like I told Vince, I was like, and I just feel so strongly in my heart like Vince, you know, obviously we all work hard and WWE, but without the platform of like my dad and I got this special connection because of his career and WWE and because of what I didn't WWE we, we got the special bond that is just so incredibly rare. Only a few people can say that they share that like Randy Orton in like Charlotte flair and like to Meena Snuka and Mike, there's just talking to Roman reigns about it. I was just saying he was talking. He was saying, same thing about his brother who passed away, and he was just saying, we just got this special little connection because of that and and I and I think I said, thank you for giving my dad those opportunities because of those. Opportunities. My dad and I got like, have this special connection is WWE superstars. And we, we had this little wrestling connection. That was what was like. And I feel bad because my sisters were very close to my dad too, but different though. It was just a little different because you know, when when my dad had his ups and downs, my sister sometimes weren't as forgiving of my dad and my dad. I just as I learned like he was imperfect, but that was what kind of made him special. And I understood all those things. I was very, I was willing to overlook a lot of things with my dad, a lot of his imperfections because we just had this very special little bond wrestling and that I, oh, I, oh, that defense because without his company, my dad wouldn't have had that platform to be so unique. And then bins just through thick and thin. Benzes has been awesome to my family. And when you go through hard times, you realize like, wow, like WWE. They're just like the company's very classy, especially. I thought it was cool that Stephanie was there. Last couple of things. There's a, there's a picture online. It's actually pretty sad of the five guys at Calgary stampede. As komo's the paper called yet, Canadians and Canadian stampede part foundation and pill. Men, Owen breads in the middle Davey in Jim, and somebody made it to where bread is in color and the rest are in black and white breast the sole survivor of the team. I feel sorry for Brenton. Sorry, I feel I feel for him because that's, you know, he's lost so many guys and you look at that picture in was only twenty years ago and everybody's gone. I just, I just, I just feel a feel for Brett and you know, as hard as it is for you, obviously your father and your father in law. But that's Brett's like those or his brother-in-law's pill. Men might as well brands. Friends friends? Yeah. Like throw hanging in there. Right adams. All of his Bros.. Right that, yeah, I felt I felt like in talking to Brenton Brett was a very important part of the funeral actually in almost I almost didn't know if he was going to be able to make it because it was such a far distance for him to travel. And I said to said, understand if you can't make it, but I really would love to have you there. And I actually think bread is taking my dad's passing really hard. Yeah. I think he was the first time in my life that I've ever seen Brett cry. We went out for dinner and we went out for dinner myself Bretton his wife, Stephanie, and we just had this private little dinner. We just wanted to catch up and I just needed to clear my head and was crying. He was only for twenty seconds. Maybe he started crying. He was telling a story about my dad, and then he just stopped. And he started crying and he couldn't get gashes breath like he was like, he couldn't speak speaking. Yeah, you could breathe, but he couldn't like, couldn't get the words out and it was like, I never seen Brett cry like that before. I just I don't. I can't remember. I just don't remember him. I never remember him crying like that. And I felt like so bad at the table because I was like, gosh, like I can't believe a hard Brett staking my dad's death in, I think I think he's almost taking it harder than anyone in for me. I almost feel like it's not it's been nine days is my dad died, and I almost feel like it's not real. Like I feel like I'm going to go to my mom and dad's house, and I'm going to see my dad like, I don't think it's totally set in, but but you know, everybody handles things differently, but I think Brett's taking it really are. Last question. What's your favorite anvil memory match wise? I tell Jim, the anvil the character and I live in meeting says, I love love love the fact that the funeral I was showing Jessica this, you get the little card for the funeral. The little the little, the little pamphlet, the front, it's a picture and it just says the n. Ville. Yeah, then you open it up and says, Jane Henry night heart. I love it how wrestling and Ville James. That's what my dad's earn had on it too. We wanted it like my dad. That's what I keep digressing. I'm Mike all over the place, my heart, total heart, but my dad loved being an entertainer. He was like, he could never work in an office. He could never. He was born to entertain, and that's what total divas dead. Like when my dad couldn't wrestle, let's entertain. And so my sisters and I, my sisters are like, I don't know where the hell they came from. They're both like Martha Stewart's daughters. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Mafi is like teacher graduated with honors like the most prim and proper person you'll ever meet. Jenny is the same way. She's like literally Kate Middleton's fister like she, they're both like all three of you. So pretty to the Angela's your father, like you guys beat the odds dad with a dad was really my dad before he became the ambulance really handsome, and we had Jenny mafia and I, we wanted to, we're all one year apart and we all we were like, daddy has to be. We call my dad, daddy. We never people what he's been saying. Total divas or like. You never you call your dad. Eddie. I never made the transition. Daddy's little girl as a little girl. What day do you go? We're going to start calling you dad like we never was just always daddy. Even we were mad at my dad. We would like daddy, like it was only daddy is daddy and mommy. That's it. That's all they will ever be to me. And we were like, daddy needs to have Ambuhl earn down a little like cow that they made a little Ambuhl and grabbed it, and I won't joining Murphy. And I were like, we want to make sure that daddy, that's the picture. He loved that embodied him. That was like that. Look that little look. And so we wanted that. And then of course, like on the back I have my mom and my dad, but we just wanted that. So that was great. It was great, but we favorite TJ because he's more of the wrestling, I would say Canadian stampede. But the moment is like they all come. They all kind of have the short little separate entrances. So like I pill men comes out then. Then Jim comes out and they all come out to like, and it's very funny. But each reactions a little bit bigger, but they all come out to these pretty giant reactions as like almost a singles guys. Obviously it did by MAC, but they have these short little entrances and you get kind of a little beat out there and they. Yeah. And then and then the cool moment where like Brett comes out and like high fives, everybody, and they come walking down. So even before the match. Right. The stages said, who's going to be the most amazing thing you've ever seen. For me, it's not just like I wouldn't say like Harvard nation had a lot of great matches BULLDOGS demolition and all that stuff. But for me, it's just the whole time of that of that WBZ Saturday, WBF Saturday night's main event. And Harfa nation was always included, and I always go back to and I'm not getting this wrong, but it's the heart foundation holding macho man as honky-tonk guitar over his head. I just remember like just the combination of those guys and I believe if anvil is holding you, you're not getting. You're not getting out because I knew I didn't know wrestling was your real, but I just do like that guys like he's holding. You're not escaping and just the whole concept of the heart phone Dacian as he's amazing peels that turn baby face in the colors in the to me that that was part of my love affair of how I got into wrestling because I enjoyed Awa, but WBF and the Hart foundation, we're top three from the advocacy, HOGAN steamboat and the heart. Foundation. Calgary style, and you're, like I said, you're kind of have a lot of Calgary like you. You have a lot of the qualities that those guys Calgary came from or had like dynamite, and if you think debut and you think of all the people that Bret and Owen and my dad, like there was a unique even hero hoc- was in Calgary guys like unique hybrid style is what I'm trying to say. But you also understood like my dad, the showmanship character. And so my dad always appreciate it. That and people because you had beautiful costumes and blam buoyant colors and you had a unique hairdo in my dad. My dad, I think is what he really brought to the Hart foundation was that unique little entertainment edge, I think is why Vince like my dad so much because Bret tells the story of, you know, a good athlete, but Vince also likes the entertainment man character. The enersen -ality in so brat tells the story when then I met my dad, David dynamite himself. And of course, as we know, Brett would go. On to become the most successful of them. But then was just drawn to my dad. My dad was the first one that he introduced himself to, and he stopped like my like events reminds me a lot of my grandfather. He's on my dad. He saw his neck so I was arms and my dad had this look at my dad had this natural charisma and Vince was just drawn to my dad. And I think I remember read saying, like, you know, he was just so like entomb with my dad. That was the star. That was the one that he was going to push in. Like my dad just had that little. He was an athlete. He was playing for the Dallas. Cowboys played for the Oakland. Raiders was trained by Tom are coached by Tom Landry, very famous football coach, and I don't know shit about, I know that name though, but his job pudding, this that bins just zeroed in on that. But then I knew that my dad was an entertainer. And so I love that because my dad is interesting because when the the radicals I came in and it was Ben wa, Eddie dean and Perry, and of course, at the time it was all Ben one. Actually Perry was up there too, but Vince I remember seeing Brian Eddie's the one that Vince really Eddie. He's the one because this is before Latino heat. Vince victim up before right off the bat. He said he said after one appearance, Vince is at he's the one that Vince thinks has it more than Perry and more than they Eddie because this is like I said, there was no character of Eddie at the time. But like you said, same with animals. -tainer. And so I just. The rather than favorite entering what's your favorite total divas Jim neidhart moment, God, there's so many Lana. My dad, by the way was obsessed with Lana. Like Chris, I have so many. I have so many videos of my dad and my phone, and I would always say daddy, do you like Luke gallows? And he'd be like, no, I'm going to send. I have. I've just. I want to find that letter from Vince. I want to show you that letter and I want to send you. My dad loved Lana, and I'd always film video, go, daddy, do you like lawn? And he's like, oh yes, she's beautiful. And like he would go off about Lana. He'd always remember Lona even Lana and my dad would drink fireballs shots together. He was obsessed with Lana. And so there was this day that long on I are really close, but we've had a lot of little conflicts threat, especially on total divas. We, she and I are like sisters, we fight and we make up and she drives me crazy. But I love her. So one day my my dad, my whole entire life. As we talked about earlier, it'd be obsessed with teaching me how to throw the shot put. And so I was training for this ladder match, and my dad was just like, somehow I was like, okay, daddy, you know what? You can teach me how to throw the shop would if that's what you want, we will go in the yard. We won't climb a ladder. We'll get in the front lawn and you could for the first time in my life, you can show me how to throw a damn shotput. So Lana was over and she wanted to be involved because you know what better way to put on a string bikini then to throw a shop that I. I heard on the front line. So in the driveway. So we're out there and Lana. Gee, somehow the shot put my dad's in the yard, and he's like, he's throwing it. She's throwing. She's throwing its landing on the grass. My dad's like he's picking up the shot put. He's like, you're doing great. And he's like coaching her and he's like, you're doing awesome. She was sucking. She was awful. And my dad just kept telling her, well, she was doing putting her over and then she all of a sudden throws the shot but into the windshield of my car. And my dad was like for real or for, I don't know. I don't know what she was doing. I think she was. I think I think she was just trying to get attention was going to say she's getting attention being extra extra. So Lana loves being a little extra. So somehow this put ended up in the windshield of the car. And my dad looked at me and he was like, she's so stupid. I can't go daddy, and he goes because he was shocked that my dad loves Lana, but then all of a sudden he's like, I can't shouted she do that. And then my dad started freaking out and he's like, oh my God. Like, what are we going to do? The cars wreck. And so I go daddy as because I was kind of like parent, I go go in the house right now and I go, don't you want to say anything to upset? Lama and I'm on is looking at me like like Steve urkel that I do that sort of thing, and I go in the house. My dad can't calm down. He's like, oh my God, the cars rat came and told me and he came in found TJ in the bathroom, and he's like, cheat, threw the shot put in the car. And so I told my dad, I was trying to calm down and I was like daddy, daddy, like I was trying to do anything to appease him and make like relax and I go, daddy, don't worry. It was all we just told Lana to do that. And my dad was Natta Uganda. Let the boys in when you run these spots. Like. These spot. And it was so funny because we're, he went back to being like recipe and he was like, that was my favorite story. Well, this is one other little thing and may not have any can do with anything, but I was just remembering. So after the screw job goes down, like Jim actually wasn't under contract. He was like a kind of a hack that point and then Davey doesn't baby leaves. Oh, and has the little month off. He comes back to the pay per view. No one knew what was happening with him. Of course, brats gone Jim on a handshake deal. I think he's a bra like maybe two weeks later and he does a deal with like deacs with fader and maybe even the next week to he's still like, and he knew he had this WCW deal, but like loyalty, yes, it kind of speaks to his character a little bit like he, he clearly did not have to show up at those. No. He said he said though, on the body, so that was just the guy making a living and providing for my family. And you know that was Brett's thing. And for him, he was still providing for his family. So. Thank you guys for doing this in the anvil one in a million and the world is a better place from having a minute. Thank you so much for like just being supportive and awesome to my family and just, you know, you coming to my dad's service for me like it just meant so much. So I appreciate you and anti putting up with us. Crazy heart. Amen. Let's find some fanny packs and a pink leather African hat. All right. Thanks the natty and Tyson for sharing more great stories. Jim, the anvil neidhart recipe Savile. He was one in a million wanted to Eminem. They said, all right, speaking on one in a million about the first one, the Chris Jericho Rockin wrestling ranger at sea, inaugural voyage setting sale, October twenty. Seventh just weeks away less than six weeks away and there's less than seventy five cabins left. So you'll have to book now at Christiana cruise dot com. If you wanna come hang out in the ship with incredible line of talent. Remember everything is included. Once you book everything, once you book your cabinet, it's all -cluded all your food, all the activities on the ship or free all the why podcast concerts comedy shows meet-and-greet autograph signings wrestling matches. Everything in between elephant, you've got to pay for alcohol and gambling. 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