20 Episode results for "Whitey Herzog"
Dan ONeill Celebration: The Magic of the Cardinals in the 1980s
"Hi I'm Ryan Kelly with the home loan expert Dot Com. The only thing I like better than baseball is saving people money. Start Saving now with a cash-out refinance at the home. The expert dot com enjoy. The podcast. Thanksgiving is just around the corner. Are you all set. You've been piling up. Those Chinooks rewards points all year. What better time to cash them in? You could have schmucks pay for the Thanksgiving Turkey or a Pumpkin pie from the best bakery in Saint. Louis maybe even your entire holiday meal all because you're a chinooks rewards member whether you're hosting the whole family or bringing a special dish to their house. Make sure you're all set for Thanksgiving head dish. Nooks and cash ask those rewards points. Thanks nooks welcome in to my podcast with Dan. O'Neill formerly of the Saint Louis Post dispatch and now a noted author at a Blues Book Not too long ago that was out and now he has a book out on the nineteen eighty cardinals. Teams celebration. The magic of the cardinals in the nineteen eighties as we know cardinals baseball. It's more than just a pastime in Saint Louis and it really got going again under Whitey Herzog. And that's really much of the focus of the book but all the trades. Whitey made some of the big names that came to Saint Louis. Whether you're talking about a Willie McGee or Ozzie. Smith the impact of Bob Ah Force and all that is covered in the book. And there's also a chance to see some of these living legends on Wednesday night is Dan will be doing a a Q.. And A. With some of those nineteen eighty great players and also a look at his book as well reminder for Blues fans make one of the ten area hotshots locations your home for Blues Hockey this year all the games on dozens of TV's. You'll enjoy great specials on Jack Daniels. Cocktails sales blew sampler appetizer. 's and much more hotshots proud partner the blues home of Blues Fan since Nineteen Ninety. 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You'll receive the perfect haircut complimentary. Beverage relaxing shampoo pot. Talbot Amend Ed Complimentary Shoeshine All for just twenty two dollars and for an extra five dollars. Get a stress relieving scalp massage. Hair saloon permenant and sixteen locations. There's one near you hair saloon for man a book that is out if you love baseball is celebration. The magic of the cardinals in the nineteen eighties. The author is Dan. O'Neill formerly of the post-dispatch he's written a blues book. And now this cardinals book and joins us on scoops with Danny any MAC dot com is always always and I mean always a pleasure to visit with you. We used to do a radio show together. It was fun when we did that. And now we we have a chance to talk a little baseball again but How are you? I'm good. I'm good in and I I I feel the same way we used to do that. The baseball radio show. It was a lot of fun and I don't get to talk to you or see very much anymore. So it's it's great to visit with you. Miss you down down at the ballpark. But you're still obviously very very connected to sports here in Saint Louis. I I want to start with the book. And then you also have a program coming coming up with some of the guys from those great nineteen eighty teams highlighted and headlined by a Whitey Herzog for an event coming up. But let's talk about this the celebration the magic the cardinals in the nineteen eighties. Why did you want to write this book? Why did you think it would be a good good fit for Karnal fans while you know Dan? I was looking around for another topic. I did the Blues Book A couple of years ago In the book of courses on the history the blues and the Time Line Kinda thing coffee table book so I was just looking for another project and and Bounced a couple ideas around and and I was Kinda surprised to find that there wasn't really a book about the some of the principals have have their individual books. I whitey Herzog's has at least a couple of books out of these Smith as a book that CETERA. But there really wasn't a book the sort of took a look at what I what I think really started the entire Quote Unquote Cardinals Nation. Thing and that was the one thousand nine hundred eighties when the cardinals. Kinda reinvented baseball on Saint Louis and they You know when the decades started they were drawing just over a million fans and by the end of the decade. They were drawing over three night. So is that you know crossroads kind of Decade or point in cardinals history. You know three world series A bunch of colorful characters. Here's and hall of fame players so it was just a natural for me and I love doing those kinds of things. I come cardinals toward the latter part of the decade and Of course in the Saint Louis Native was always a fan before I became a sportswriter so it was something. I couldn't wait to kind of dive into it really. I'm in total agreement with you. This the start of this really began the cardinal nation and the cardinal way if you will with Whitey coming in cleaning house and just making household changes and introducing this exciting style of baseball and winning and eighty two and eighty five five hundred eighty seven thousand nine hundred eighty two wins the world series. But when you think about the eighty S it's the first name that comes to mind and that's why Herzog yeah without a doubt He was pretty of it. You know it was an interesting transition because the cardinals had had the debt. Great Success Dan in the sixties and then went to back to back world series in the late sixties. Then they want the entire nineteen seventies decade without going through the postseason and even more so the last five seasons of the Seventies. They finished double digit double digit games out of first place. So they they weren't really ever in contention and When the eighties began Ken Boyer was their manager? Manager got off to a tough start in nineteen eighty and and then Got See Bush is still very involved with the team at that point. decided to make the a change And at the same time they were firing. Ken Boyer In between Games of a doubleheader Montreal they were introducing why deserve observe their new manager. Back at grant's farm in nineteen eighty and It took off from there. I mean why that there's never been a more dynamic period in terms of player movement. You know in a year's time from December nineteen eighty summer nineteen eighty one. Why did he move? Thirty one players back and forth and So once the winter of eighty arrive not made a bunch of big trades a lot of new players and really change the change the recipe for the franchise. I mean he took a team. That was the cardinals and a lot of good hitters and in the late seventies season in nineteen eighty they finished that season with six three hundred hitters on their team right and So they had a lot of good. They had talent but but they just didn't have they didn't have it in all the right places. They weren't a good defensive team. They weren't a team that had a lot of speed speed they add Ken reits it their base and teddy sevens behind the plate So they didn't have a lot of speed. Why do you came in not only looked at at Ed Busch Stadium to which was an artificial turf field at the time? Big Big stadium big field but all the steps in pretty much all the stadiums uh-huh and all the fields in the National League at that time were similar kind of ballparks and he He came up with a formula That it was built on speed defense and pitching and by nineteen eighty one. The cardinals were there. I mean you know it's funny. We look back and they. They went to the world series three times in the eighties. They want an eighty two could have been four. Obviously this is where you're going. I'm sure they lie well. They lost game aim seven and eighty five and they lost game seven and eighty seven. And so when you look at it you know they were two games comes from being a team that won three times you know they'd be considered this great dynasty. It had they been able to win two more games but You know that was all based on on a team that was just dramatically different from the kind of baseball they play now. I mean you know. Last year's team two hundred ten home runs. Why did he's team from nineteen eighty one through nineteen ninety getting hit as many as a hundred homerun insight So is different. And you know this Dan because you see you see the game every day The you know back in the eighties the ball was in play. Hey much more than it is now and the cardinals could catch it. Pitch it out. Run it better than any team in baseball at the turn when when you think about when Whitey took hold of also being the GM and and just made all kinds of deals whether it was rollie fingers whether it was walking Andrew Harr Ozzie. Smith Trading Ted Simmons which probably was not a great one when you look back at his tenure but it did work for for both sides you know. What was the turning point when you think about Whitey ball and and getting this thing over the hump and and making it? The excitement that we we saw in terms of the deals that he made well I I mean. I think you'd have to. I point to the deal. I it's funny. You know you mentioned when he did he. He made a ton of deals made a lot of big deals. And really for the most part when you look back at them They weren't great. Deals Appeals But it wasn't it wasn't always about a player for player quality for quality. It was more of. Why do you trying to change the culture culture here because in the late seventies As as that decade came to an end as we talked I mean. The cardinals had some terrific talent. But they just didn't know why did he came in. He wanted him to do two things. Show up on time and work their butts off and the teams in the seventies didn't necessarily necessarily adhere to that formula but he came in and that's that's what he wanted so he changed the culture so he made trades. I I mean you know they weren't. They didn't work out all that great for the cardinals. I mean you look at the trade. He made what Simmons in December nineteen eighty. He sent Ted Simmons Pete Buca Chen Rollie fingers to the brewers and he got back. David Point six Stolis gone on David Greene now. Vuckovich became the sei-hyung award winner for for the brewers in eighty two the American League Cy Young Award winner and fingers was the American exciting young award winner and eighty one and then of course Simmons was there clip hitter for three or four seasons so that was not a trade that wound up being really good for the cardinals but it it was part of a thing thing where he changed. The coulter culture moved a lot of players out and what he moved in where players. Who could run who who who Steal Bases and field and Of course the backbone of all that was Ozzie. Smith when he traded Garry Templeton to the padres as an eighty one and the winner of eighty one and was able to get Ozzie. Smith who comes here once. Thirteen gold gloves seals five hundred. Eighty bases is in an lines up in the hall of fame. So I mean you'd have to say it started with Ozzie. But then when you throw in Trades Bob Sykes to the Yankees for for Young Double A.. outfielder name Willie McGee. Willie McGee comes here. You know becomes a a most valuable player eighty five to time batting champion Had guys like they had so many switch hitters. He calls up timing her as a switch. It or steal deal basis Terry Pendleton which it or steal basis then call Minnesota chitter stole basis. He made the deal for Lonnie Smith who was really either catalyst in eighty two and finished second in the most valuable player voting in the National League another guy who's still basis and disrupt things and they just generated so much they put so much pressure on the other teams defense I that's just something you really don't see happen a lot and today's game. I don't mean that in a way that you know like an old man sitting in sitting in the balcony but it's just the game's changed a lot in the last three years and The cardinals were certainly a different kind of ball club in the eighties. What did what did you learn and doing the book about this decade a baseball? That maybe you didn't know before. Well I think one of the highlights is the book is I did get a hold of a lot of the players and coaches etc.. And what I did was I just ask them to give me. I'm just their own little Vignette or favorite story From the eighties. It didn't necessarily have to be tied to a particular event and that was in the book but but just one of their favorite stories that the one thing I found out the end was just how revered Bob Fourche was on those. Those teams Yeah fourche force was never You know he's never going to be in cooperstown. He wasn't quite on a level with Bob. Gibson or Steve. Carleton or somebody like that. But he was just a consistently good Performer and and just always a a great presence in their clubhouse. I'll give you an example. How he kept guys loose and he and guys just looked up to him? A couple title incidents really You know the story. John Stupor game. I thought maybe he told me a story about nineteen eighty two when he went out pitch game six at push stadium and there were two long rain delays the game there are five hours worth of delays. But he just kept going out out there alarmed up pitching a complete game in the cardinals advanced to game seven. He saved their bullpen but he instead he told me about it. Nineteen eighty-three game. Where or he was gonNA make? He made the start against Fernando Valenzuela in Los Angeles and balanced oil at the time probably the biggest star in the game and it was a national game of the week and Stupor still young pitcher establishing himself and he was all geared up for the game and everything and so He goes out and he can't throw a strike any ends up walking the first four batters without throwing a strike. So why did he's gotTa go out and get them and takes them out of the game. So Stupor comes in. The dugout. Goes at the end of the bench as you might imagine just disappointed frustrated madden himself trying to figure out what just happened. And he's not sitting there very long before Bob walks down sits next to him and says you know stupid. I don't know how we can take you out of that game. He had a no hitter going so you know he would do things like that. And and at the same time in nineteen the eighty seven people recall cardinals or an great nationally championship series with the San Francisco giants and the focal point of the series. The first I fee- games with Jeffrey Leonard who hit home runs in each of the first four games and created his one flap down home run trot was just ABS- absolutely infuriated Cardinals fans in Saint Louis and kind of annoyed the heck out of the cardinals as well so they get into game three three in San Francisco. They fall behind Ford and nothing It's the series is one one so it's really a pivotal moment in the series there behind enforce nothing why did he goes to the bullpen. He brings in fourche out of the bullpen and before he came in. I was talking to Kim Daily and on the bench and he. I told him if I get a chance. I'm GonNa take care of this. One flap down business so forced comes into the game. There's always there's already. A runner on the cardinals are behind four to nothing and ate it. First Guy Faces. Jeffrey Leonard. Drills and motor fastball right shoulder and that was the end of the one flap down stuff absolute came back and won that game Jim Lindemann hitting a big home run so they came back and won that game and a lot of people look back on that as pivotal moment. Mysterious Jeffrey Leonard. Hit another home run in game four but he did not do the one flap down trot so You know I was. That's one thing I always knew I knew by Porsche. Knew he was a leader and things like that but I didn't realize just how big of a presence he was on those cards. What was your favorite part of doing this book? What what did you really enjoy as you as you dug into it? Well to be honest you know what I really enjoyed was getting in touch with these guys. I'm talking to some of these guys who I had talked to in so many years You know guys like Tom. PAG nause and Tom Lawless and Recording who I still see once in a while and You know just a lot of players Ozzy Gave me a couple of stories. Dave Phillips Umpire Lives in Saint Louis gave me a couple of stories but That was the fun part I I enjoyed hearing their stories. Because you never knew I in in some instances they would talk about You know that particular instance like Glenn Brummer told me about his steal of home and eighty five and that's such a memorable moment in cardinals history but And some cases time all stolen story about how he left it. cheeseburger third base for Umpire Eric Greg was you know was was a hefty guy and Before a game started one night Thom loss and she jean de someone kinda conspired fire to To do this and so he. Someone gave Lawless a cheeseburger flawless was playing was playing for tasted day so he tried it out. And while the teams are not be left. cheeseburger on Bass for Eric Gregg. Who played along aircraft was such a great guy? I all the players love them. 'cause he was just a good guy but he played along and picked up the cheeseburger and acted like he's taking a bite out of it. Yeah so you know stuff like that is just A. If you're a baseball fan that kind of stuff you don't normally hear about you know being besides all the stats stats and all the the the things like that. It's just kind of fun to I get stories like that now. You also have an event not only to promote with the book but also for fans of those great teams Whitey in the nineteen eighties. Tell us a little bit about that event coming up yeah Dan. I'm hoping to talk you into becoming but it's It's Wednesday night. It's at seven PM at the Grand Dell which is just as nice little intimate theatre a right by the Fox theater or next to the Sheldon Theater off a grand there and The name of events celebration but I'll do my presentation which is about forty minutes. Includes video highlights pictures from some of these things. We've talked about In the nineteen eighties and then once one when I finish up my presentation I'm GonNa Bring why do you. Here's Tom all record in an Andy Van. Slyke out on stage and then we'll do kind of a roundtable discussion and kick it around for another thirty forty minutes And kind of just reminiscent remember What great moments and what great teams they had the eighties? You know people might not realize that. The cardinals had the best record in the National League from nineteen eighty through nineteen. Eighty nine So you know for for a decade as as we talked earlier when when you think about that and then you think about they they had a world series went and they had two other world series. Where they're ahead three two two going into a game six It's amazing you know. And then there was nineteen eighteen. Eighty one Dan. I was saying before it could have been could have been four. That's how you're going there with. What is it could have been five? Because and eighty one. They had the strike that lasted six weeks and the Baseball solution to that was the split. The season in the two so the cardinals actually finished that season That overall season with the best record in their division but they didn't go to the postseason because they didn't finish first in either one of the two segments right and then there was and then there was nineteen eighty-nine you know they're they're writing a check of Go into Chicago and and then they they. They're in Montreal. Todd were all Closes out a victory forum their game and a half out of first place. But we're we're all got hurt was lost for the rest of the season and a few days later they went into a six game. Losing Streak SORTA fell out of the race. But if we're all doesn't get hurt and eighty nine. They're probably in that all the way to the end. And and maybe they go to another world series about the best places to get the book. Dan and also the tickets for for Wednesday night. 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Martin & Marlow Episode 36
"Lot of excitement here charlie. I can feel a lot of energy martin tomorrow episode thirty six. I feel like we've mentioned shaquille o'neal every time we have a number in mind right thirty two. There were thirty three that he took thirty four. Did you know he wore thirty six. Where the sun's boston celtics. His last stop. I don't remember shaquille playing for the boston celtics. Should i remember that. You should remember at the end. They're doing a little bit of ring chasing he did some sons. I think cavs celtics. He looks really weird in the celtics jersey. He worth thirty six. I think got kenny wallace. Thirty six correct. Definitely i did google this one. I'm seeing jerome beddis. Yup the boss charlie. They called him. The box called them the bus from detroit. You may have heard that. He actually finished his career at the super bowl in his hometown of detroit. So yeah he's a-. I'm looking at this bleacher report article. He's apparently the best ever athlete to wear the number thirty. Six others of note tried to guess is this. Is this show prep. Well just google it right when you ask me. It's a baseball player. This is really random this. There's only one that i know. And i wrote it down. Gaylord perry. Okay thank god. He's even older gardens. Eight into the mike taylor. Even older old school and gaylord perry was a pitcher though and randomly went to michigan state university. I only know that because he gave a talk. When i was there he might be deceased now. I have to check that. Don't know robin roberts choose to host sportscenter on espn and nash. Born america. different robin different rubber. Check and see if he's alive name song that you really like because we could add You know our guy that puts these things together. We use it. We have kind of a couple of standard cuts is there. Would you like this. Is the day edition. We gotta we gotta keep the energy. Nobody does opening day like st louis trial. Did you hear that before in your life. I have heard that first of all. It's not a vha like savita. Which i think is a type of seafood. You eat down in miami vici now for of course the youtube version which i call and martin. We're going to have my neighbor again. Taylor strife actually. If you're listening to this you've already heard and seen his beautiful vision of your comes. The king to get you ready for opening day but a vga yes is always good music to get you going into a podcast. Was that a year ago. It was the actual opening day for not april date but the one when they actually played like in july. That you did that. You went over and like knocked on your neighbor's door today. Buddy i know you play the organ mind. Give me some hits on youtube and twitter by playing. Okay was it the cartoon over. I think first of all he played it himself and then i went over because he posted on social media and i said hey. Can i get video of you doing that. I'm not sure. But i think he actually played it on the day. The cardinals were supposed to start the season in april and this was an image to. Hey baseball's not here but it will be also unfortunately robin roberts passed away may six twenty ten. But i saw him recently. Yeah well. I saw him in. Probably two thousand and six thousand seven so he was still kicking. It feels like a fred. Tim story was fred. That's great robin roberts. I've known him for years. Fred loves baseball so much. That if robin roberts was giving a speech fred was going to be there. We were gonna cover it. Can i say nobody loves baseball. More than whitey herzog arts you. And i were at his house getting some interview clips for opening day coverage and he's talking about plays from nineteen fifty two and i was like holy crap like and i said how do you remember this and then i felt better when he said some days. I can't find my keys for two hours. And now i feel better but he is unbelievably tuned in to the current game. The modern players. You know we were done. We're talking on his porch and he had a take on carpenters batting stance and how he can improve his hitting game and this guy's going to be ninety and did everything he said made sense like usually somebody's like pushing nyc. Okay yeah good one. Yeah we'll we'll sure bichurin pass that one along doesn't it seem like everything he said was dead on. Yeah also a big fan of harrison baiter definitely. No just kidding. They're what was funny. Though was we do the interview. And i'm sure we're gonna play it all over fox to opening day and we'll go longer on the weekend all that. I'm sure it will end up on youtube. And whitey was fantastic. And he gave gave great info and then the second. The camera stop rolling. Then you got some of the real opinions some of the real takes with some more colorful language and he just wanted to sit there and talk baseball. You could tell he wanted to sit there and talk baseball with us all day long. I mean we both had to get back to the station. I killed me. 'cause i mary lou. The great mary. Lou is inside and i ran into grab a chair. Because we're very rude. We just take over people's houses and do whatever we want and she said martin. Would this run on mike Well charlie oh posted on youtube. I'll run a bite at five. And maybe more on sunday. But i was thinking if we didn't have to leave we probably would've in. They're both vaccinated. He and mary low. We would've just probably had like a twelve pack untold stories for like hours because his memory and his opening day memories of of himself got his first big league hit. I think he said it was in cleveland in his first game with the washington senators. And of course it's only why he could say like well. It's not going to be a false. Well i played for the senators. That was used to not having anybody there. He's got so many zingers and then he said the second year. I'm in the big leagues. I was out there. And i caught the ceremonial first pitch from dwight. D eisenhower. the president and he goes. I still got the ball down in the basement. Unbelievable and a week before i interviewed. Tony larussa the former cardinals manager and we talked about it and people heard the podcast. I sort of explained it at the beginning because he was kind of in a hurry and we talked about it for weeks when the best time to do it was so is the opposite. Like why do you want to sit there for hours. Tony was in a hurry. And i was like gosh it man. I wanted like all of march to do this. And i even went through the the white sox. Pr guy proper channels and he writes. Bag is hey thanks so much. Talk to tony. He says just text them directly. And i'm like i was trying to do it. The right way thinking maybe you know tony. What's proper jails man so it took a while to get set up and these is how about thursday at nine. Am where ten. and whatever. I said okay fine. I realized that morning it was gamed like it was the first sox is first game back in ten years. Oh man but i didn't. I just left it alone mike. This is the time we agreed upon. I'm about to set up the zoom literally at the desktop at home. Just sitting there and my phone's and it's him and he's uses game day man. We're gonna have to keep this moving like totally the opposite and you can feel when you're interviewing somebody like time to wrap it up right like whitey today. We could have sat there for hours. He didn't have a ballgame to manage like. Tony did but you can always tell. Can't you want. I mean if they look at their watch you really screwed. But he gave me. Some great answers was great to catch up on. But i could just tell these volumes. And i want to say it's in ten hours two games in ten hours. You got time. Yes first game though. I understand i say this with. I appreciate him doing it right. I don't want to sound like an ungrateful person. You sound a little bit like that. But i say this with love. We're talking to whitey. It reminded me a bit of my grandpa. they're out to same age. What he's about to be ninety my grandpa's either. Ninety two or ninety three but when when you're older like that you probably get kind of lonely and especially during covid not able to get out and about very much. I'm sure why is really looking forward to getting back to busch stadium and seeing some of his friends and all that and it just really seemed like when i talked to my grandpa. Now years ago he he'd hang up in like a minute and now he really wants to talk. I think he's lonely. And during covert he's kinda sitting there and looking out the window and looking at squirrels and birds and when i talked to him he's really into it and white. I think was having a fantastic time. Just talking ball with us. He's i watched ready. Damn movies like the last year hasn't been able to go to games. And what he's great at is he he. He's so blunt okay and he. He was this way when he was the manager and even about his own playing career would be really. You know extremely honest. But i remember in these carla hall of fame. Knock on the ballot for the red ribbon ballot. We would sit in a room. I know being in the room and we talk about certain players you know. Would they be good. Should they be on the ballot before we all take a little vote here and he would get up. And i'll tell you about. This can really hit. The ball is great. And you're like oh. This is quite the review. This isn't like make notes. This guy belongs. It probably wanted to worst defenders of seen it. Everybody in the room kind of looks each other and just starts laughing because he has a wake. Kill somebody but it's funny when white kill well to. He was talking about how players this was. This was after we were rolling which was mostly the best stuff but he said about how. How player sometimes you need a change of scenery. And he said even nolan ryan nolan ryan just didn't fit in as well in new york he thought and it was better for him to pitch in texas near his home town. That's kind of where he fit in. He said there were guys that didn't fit in chicago and he mentioned back in the day playing for the and if you have to play all these games and why he said yeah. If you're in a bar you know two am in the morning. Wake up and your sweat and the next day. It's just hilarious because it's probably true. There are a lot of guys who are drinking all night and then you got day games all the time and they're out there half hung over but it's just it's fantastic to hear stories like that from somebody who lived. It is in the hall of fame like old school baseball. The gm probably was about to make a trade to get a player for the cubs. Ick s the gym is a big drinker. You probably ask that kind of now. You'd get sued for asking. But he's he's he's one hundred percent. I tell you dead on with his carpenter. Might wanna talk to what he was saying about. Where should be in the box. It didn't it didn't sound crazy at all by the way. Everybody's ribbon on matt carpenter. He draws the walk and a couple just borderline pitches right there. Upper quadrant one in one out he took and we know. Sometimes my carpenter takes too many pitches with two strikes but a couple of confident takes matt carpenter at this point. It's a zero zero game and both pitchers are dealing flirty and lopez and carbon draws the walk. Next thing you know yada hits you run homer and all of a sudden boom sevens at game but matt carpenter contributed for all the haters out there and there are a lot on twitter. Matt carpenter started that martin marlo or the youtube version which is marlow and martin which is way more popular episode. Thirty six brought to you by are fine. 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At that point several times though when otis will go nuts sometimes and maybe wake up the baby myself and my wife will say. Let's get rid of him but we don't really we don't really mean that it's just it's just in the emotion and it's in the heat of the moment we love otis. I think days are numbered. Not gonna live art opening day. A lot of fun little pomp little circumstance. Colton wong coming back. And it's sorta kula works out that it's milwaukee homeowner and he's there leadoff hitters. He's the first guy coming up. I mean maybe they introduced the whole roster so he might be introduced before that but looking forward to it among the. I think we might have done this. Our favorite cardinal players. Do we do this episode like twelve or thirteen. I'm kidding. I don't remember but have we already talked about our favorite cardinals favourite. Like to deal to deal with okay. We'll take cold. Long right up there in terms of being just polite in arizona about the media but just professional in how carlos beltran wainwright's grade. But i'm excited to see cold war coming back and it's fitting that he gets that i that i think it's fair to say because cold war was here about seven or eight years. Whatever it was that in his time here he was probably the best guy for the media. And i say that because now wainwright is always fantastic but as a starting pitcher. You're not playing every day so in terms of going to the clubhouse from a media standpoint and if you need to interview somebody coal long as an everyday player who is a pretty dang good player back. Back gold gloves. He was always there to be professional. And give you a good answer. And he didn't just go emotions. So yes i think i think anybody in the media the last decade or so absolutely loved colton long for so many reasons. We watched him grow up. But yes the consummate professional. Did i read it wrong or do you think nick castanos nicholas whatever you prefer diffused it a little bit by his praise of yada like in the post game. It's an incredible quote where he said man that do could've punched me in the face. Meaning molina to. I still would ask for an autograph choosy. He's not on par with niger. Mortga brandon phillips like mug in the flex and all that do you think a now. Cardinal players probably will remember for a while. Do you think this ignited. Maybe not to the level of johnny cueto and kicking people but did his comments diffuse it at all or do you think it's game on. His comments diffused it for reasonable. Rational people. I loved it by the way but fans i think cardinal fans are going to hate nick casts janos for the rest of his career. Don't you think that's fair for sure from a baseball stand. But of course. It's not and i don't remember what niger morgan did. Okay but i always was mocking and saying that they were overrated and their babies which is sort of the same narrative that people have in cincinnati to act and. I think niger margin. Niger morgan actually chirped albert. I gotta look that up and see exactly what happened. It pissed off tony. So that's probably what it was and obviously cueto's a different story because he kicked carpenter kick. Larue ended jason larousse. Career brandon phillips. I also like brennan. Philip style. Because it's good for business i understand. Yeah i understand karnal. Fans don't like him. That made those series fun when he called the cardinals little bitches and all that and that ignited the whole thing with with yati. I think what. Nick has yano did. I'm not saying. I approve of the flex. It was in the moment though he had been hit with ninety three miles an hour. It was kind of awesome. And again i get. If you're a cardinal fan. you're mad at me. He didn't like it. It's great for the game. It's great for rivalry and afterwards he was pretty cool he said he was praising yati he was praising adam wainwright and we're gonna play. The cardinals are gonna play the red sixteen more times. Whatever it is he'll probably be there for a couple years. It's gonna make this desribed. It was kind of a dick move right when he gets hit the offers. That's kind of a tough guy. Move which i. I probably do the same thing but that obviously upset people to and remember now mike shildt. I also thought this was hilarious. Mike shildt gave the longest explanation. Ever about how. We don't hit people but if we did it would come from me. But i've never done that in my. What is this year. four. And i love mike shell dunk around. Are you really telling me that mike. She'll has not ordered one code red since he was a member of the cardinals. And here's the thing they all lie. Well ridiculous i'll give him the benefit. I'm not calling him alarm to saying in baseball. They never say it because you'll get fined but here's the thing now. Technically you might be right. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in a clubhouse that gets it. Mike shildt probably never has to say plunk this guy because the leaders in the and the pitchers and they're no. Hey our guy got hit we gotta go. Plunk their guy. The manager probably doesn't have to actually say that but to act like in the last three years or so. The cardinals have never hit. Anybody on purpose is just absolutely ridiculous but again this makes everything more fun. I give a shout out a non sponsor but a guy named mr medal at this is not like a professional wrestler remember. The story of the amazon guy ran our mailbox over and then kept going. That was december twenty second and we were going around going around with. Yeah we got damn package delivery amazon. They knocked over the mailbox filled out. All these forms had to take pictures. Had to get bids. Like i don't know how to fix it. Let's be honest. And so now it's like middle january mailbox elaine on the ground just laying there land in the post. I was put a note in mailbox. You have thirty days to get it fixed. I call some people and agent. And they're like can you take it out of the ground. we could probably welded. It's just a pain in the ass. So finally i call a different number on a different number and then they called back and they said we're so sorry. I've talked ten people and nothing ever happened so my wife gets on the nextdoor app and types in fix a mailbox needs to be welded because see people i know and i liked it like. We don't have any way to welded on site. You'd have to bring into our warehouses blah blah. So this says you need to call mr medal. I get this number text them the next day he fixes a damn mailbox and it's been sitting in for three months and i'm thinking do i go on twitter. I want shame amazon. I know they don't give two shits but they didn't do anything. They had us. Fill out forms. They said you need to start so and so and then somebody email somebody called absolute bullshit. And i'm sure my wife's orders from amazon. I would stop. I've never heard anything from amazon. I'm probably the only one left in america. But should i change them on twitter or will i fear the wrath of amazon. They never even gave you any money or it. Nope they've never. They said all that claim. Are you sure well. It looks like that claims resolved that it was never resolved. Who did you talk to us. It here's the persian. Here's the e mail. Here's the phone number camden new jersey. I talked to susan dr betty. Okay we're gonna refer you to one of our experts and then a lady coming back from indians said. Oh we're going to refer to experts then somebody from seattle emails me. Nothing has happened. What can you do call. Go to jeff bezos at home. You think it's come to that. I seriously am pissed off like huge massive company. And it's three months later and mr frigging medal saved the day. He pulls over in his truck and on the sides. Mr metal okay. Here's a he's my new favor go. Here's you have to do though you have to play the media card. You have to go on twitter. You have to tweet and then we'll all do this with you. You'll tweeted amazon. Tell them what happened and make sure you tag them and you have a pretty good following. Then we'll all get onboard and basically say amazon if you don't take care of martin kilcoyne. We're all boycott you. Let's do a little cancel culture. Oh yeah and they'll probably put him out of business. I mean it'll put a big dent in this business. It's unbelievable but out of all of that. I did get to meet a guy. Mr mental who did a great job last one. This is a great nugget stumbled into it the other night because they said oh. Baylor wins the national championship. It's the state of texas. Is second ever like. Oh my god. I kinda just thought houston may of one somewhere. Maybe texas one in the fifties or something second for the state. Texas western was the original in nineteen sixty six so they start looking at it. It's kinda fun. Illinois only has won the whole state and it was loyola nine hundred sixty three state of missouri has none california with. Ucla's got fifteen total kentucky's ten. It's a great staff. You start thinking about north carolina. Nc state to duke five north carolina six. The point is there's a lot of states that are way behind indiana the coolest one. They have five. They're right up there. All of them belong to iu. So that's three for bobby knight and then our guy before branch mccracken right. I used to go to the mccracken basketball camp back in the day. I believe it was branch. Mccracken in the fifties sounds right. I think that's the case. So ohio would be ohio. Lucas and those guys sixty. I just saw they actually. Didn't they lose the championship. Game as an undefeated team in sixty one am i wrong. I feel like. I saw that recently during the turn and they might have been loyal to one in sixty three might have been against. Was it against cincinnati well oscar robertson. Cincinnati wants title. Okay i was wondering if they want any titles. Xavier has never won a title right. I don't think so okay. This is a great little stabbed but it actually now makes you want to look it up. This is a great yes. You're happy opening day. Where you read or grandma. Mildred will complain. You were in cincinnati and you were wearing some red but then you could. That's a tough one because people could have. Why are you wearing the colors of the opponent. Well i actually brought to nice red shirts. I wore them both. When i got the first night to shoot some stuff you could. You could see it much better on the night before it was so freaking cold that you could barely see red. Because i had a scarf a black coat and again thank you. Cincinnati reds for allowing the tv media to sit outside. Because i know you have to take care of all the writers. Even if you're right for the dayton bugle thank you for letting me sit outside. I thought you were getting. Did you really think you're like how is that. What does it mean like your seat outside. Martin i don't understand. Text me that. And i was like well. You had a pass to get in but didn't have a seat inside well. They had a nice outdoor seating as if it was the world series for beulah. Don't know when you get to the world series in the nfc s. They have auxiliary seating outside usually in a suite or whatever it is so we table. We had everything set up for your electronics. And all that. But you're outside and it was about thirty seven degrees. And i was carrying a lot of gear as well so when i carried it. I didn't that i bring my scarf. I didn't bring a winter hat. I also had like a thermal shirt by already got in there. And i'm like i'm not walking back it was frickin freezing protected moans at can i borrow scarf. I should have actually done that. He might have brought brought one down or a vest that would have been a good story. Actually i bet you. Maybe you would have found something for one of the spring. Training is one of the years running around. I had an old hat from training training. And he said hold is that had. And it's like seventy because it's falling apart. And i kind of like it. He comes out of the satellite trucks. Give me a brand new one. That's the move. I also saw. You did a promo right where you had some very generic cardinals hats jerseys right in a bat eckstein. It's fox network. And i go. What do they want. I don't have no idea what it is. But hey great segment. Great opening day Happy thirty six marlin martin. Happy redbird season real quick. Hate to be buzzkill. I predict the cardinals actually. Will you haven't winning ninety one for the season. I'm at ninety. I believe that was from episode. Thirty five for those of you monitoring it closely all right talk to you next week.
The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 137 - Art Holliday
"Yes. Yes. Welcome in to another edition of the Tim mckernan show on the inside S T L podcast network today. Our guests presented by Mark. Hanna of evergreen, wealthy fun, and evergreen S T L dot com. Is art holiday. You know him from K de que he has been on your television for nearly forty years in the Saint Louis area. And he tells the story of how he got into broadcasting how he got to Saint Louis and his many experiences over his thirty nine years at k s de que and some of you may know this, and I know somewhere younger listeners may not know this, but he was one of the guys in the sports department with Ron Jacoby and Jay Randolph back in the nineteen eighties. And then for a time with Mike Bush, but then Cassie came to him but doing the morning show and really our holiday Jennifer Blohm synonymous with morning television in Saint Louis and did the show for twenty two years together in over the course of time covering sports for my money. One of the most famous interviews the nineteen eighties and Saint Louis sports was art holiday interviewing a. Intoxicated Vince Coleman as the cardinal celebrated a nineteen eighty-seven what art thought was a pennant clinching victory over the San Francisco Giants or it may have been when they won the National League east. They were the nationally east then and in either way Vincent had a nip of the cooking, Sherry, there's just no way around and it winds up being an absolute classic. So art holiday guests presented by Marquette, ever, agreeing wealth strategies were in the home loan expert dot com studios. Brian Kelly, the sponsor of the studios here on the Tim mckernan show. And if you enjoy these interviews we bring you every week if you enjoy the questions from the audience, we bring you every Wednesday. And if you enjoy the pick six podcast with producer Joe and g unit myself picking games, and we're on a heater right now. I say this though before we're picking games for this weekend. So the time you're listening to this all could have on eighteen total. So but we're coming off fourteen and four heading into week eight of the NFL and week nine a college football. Then support the spots. And Ryan Kelly has been on board with this podcast from the very beginning. And the thing about Ryan Kelly's he's going to save you money in the process is going to be very easy. And I truthfully candidly have no idea why anybody would go anywhere else. I really don't. I guess I'm coming for the respective of. You know, Ryan, I certainly know Ryan. And I know that he's a really good and smart and hardworking businessman, and if you're into philanthropy my God is Ryan into flan thirty. So he's going to save you money. It's going to be the best customer service, and whether you're buying a home or refinancing. He's the person to go to and all you gotta do is go to the home loan expert dot com. So from my standpoint, it's kind of a layup. It's like tap in pot. Oh, you're buying a home or your refinancing? You're going to Ryan Kelly. It's just that simple. The Ryan Kelly online at home loan expert dot com and the sponsor of our studios. He will save you money. And he is the person that I without question recommend there is not a second place. It's all Ryan, Kelly and first place. So our holiday the guests this week on the Tim occurred and show I feel like oftentimes I just babble on with these guests intros, and I know I've said that before and then I get back with conscious of it now. So I'm gonna stop babbling into say here presented by Mark. Hanna of evergreen, wealth strategies is art holiday art. I believe you are the third person to sit in the studio with me here who has gone from sports to news, Mike, Bhushan, Steve's of art have been in here. But you're the trailblazer on that in Saint Louis. I'm not mistaken. I think you're the trailblazer. I suppose you could characterize it that way, you know. I saw people like Bryant Gumbel do it. I saw Brent Musburger do it. He was doing news and Chicago. You know? So I don't know that I'm a huge trail blazer. I was afraid to say, no. So the fear truth behold, the general manager who called me up to his office back in that would have been eighty nine of thirteen years into a sports in career covering all my hometown teams are in Saint Louis, and I was happy, and I get called up to the general manager's office on the third floor and on the elevator ride. And like, you know, your star reflecting advice screwed up, you know, because I don't didn't have that much interaction with the GM and he sat me down. And he said, you know, we're thinking about making some changes with our morning show. And I think you'd make a good co-anchor for Jennifer Blohm. Well, as it turned out, you know, that turned out to be a brilliant decision. Because Jennifer, and I wound up co anchoring together for twenty two years. But at the time, this particular general. Manager. If you got on his list, you weren't getting off. You know, I saw how you treated other people at the station, and I kind of wanted to stay there. So and he insisted that it was my decision in this feels like a trap. If I say, no, I'm Dead Man Walking, and you know, at the time in eighty nine we were the only local TV station doing early morning news channel four and channel two hasn't started their early morning broadcasts, and it was a thirty minute broadcast when I left twenty two years later. It was a three hour broadcast news only, thirty minutes. Wow. So then I had a front seat to the explosion of local morning television. Which is now a huge profit center for stations all over the country when you made that switch where you think to yourself. Oh, no, I love doing sports or you kind of like, you know, what I've done it for thirteen years. I'm interested in this. I took it as a challenge, but it was a little. I was a little insecure about it. You don't know people are going to accept you in a new role of the things that I had in my favor number one was Jennifer Bloem had been a veteran of the show, and she made it extremely easy for me to make the transition. And you know, we we both started there and seventy nine so I knew her didn't know her well, but we both worked weekends. That's where we started. She was doing weekend weather. I was doing weekend sports and. We just kind of clicked it wasn't anything planned or anything and the audience gave us permission. I the my standard joke is in school. They separate the class clowns channel five they sat us next to each other every morning and turned us loose and we just kind of amused ourselves. And you know, because if you think about it, I mean, you've probably worked some early morning shifts in your career that's a goofy time of day to be worrying in your sleep deprived. There's no management around as mitt around. So that's that lends to the anarchy. And the first time we had one of our celebrated laughing Jags. We thought they were gonna fire us and the phones lit up at the switchboard. And the switchboard operator saying everybody loved it when you guys cracked up. And you know, art seems like a real guy and Jennifer is not stuck up. Like, I thought she was you know, people are just like losing their minds. And and you know, so it obviously it worked out was it a master plan far from it. But it happened to work out. But the chemistry is the thing that if I had to guess was the thing that made it work for twenty two years. You can't create that either. It's there or it's not and you guys at it. Well. You we've all seen anchor teams or radio teams where they're great together. They're mediocre together. They can't stand each other. And it shows, you know, I mean, it's all over the map and the holy grail is chemistry. And it just happens. You know, you try to generate it I mean, you can do that to an extent as far as getting to know each other. And then hopefully, if if the the broadcasting partners have each other's backs, then it will probably work, but you know, there's some backstabbing in this business, and, you know, sometimes for whatever reason it doesn't work. I mean, I've I've seen it. And you know, I tell people all the time, you know, if you think we were acting up on camera. I mean our desk where right together in the news room. And I mean, we crack each other up all the time. We just had similar sensibilities. We took our jobs seriously. But we didn't take ourselves seriously, and we recognized in especially in early morning television. When you're seeing a lot of the copy cold because there's only you can pre read because a lot of it's being written while you're on the air, especially in the in the last couple of hours of the show. And so, you know, mistakes are made and we kind of flipped that and turn it to our advantage. If we made a mistake, we would include the audience make a joke about it and move on. And and it worked, and you know, it wasn't all you know, laughter and joking we covered every kind of story you could cover during the twenty two years that we were together everything, you know, the pope to helicopter being up over my high school Saint Charles high school when it was burning down. I mean that was. Surreal morning. You know, but Jennifer was is is an incredible professional, and we got to be really good friends. And that doesn't always happen. Yeah. And and like I said the audience let us be who we who? We are. What was it? Like when that run came to an end the recall that final day that final few weeks. Well, how deep do we want to get? Yeah. I mean, that's good for you. That may not be good. Let's put it this way. We get to rent these jobs. We we don't get to keep them for life. And I wasn't happy. The last month that I was on the show we one in the ratings. But I had a decision to make am I going to be the angry guy in the newsroom who's, you know, upset because his role is changed or am I going to be a professional, and I take a lot of pride in the fact that in the thirty nine plus years that I've worked at channel five I've reinvented myself multiple times that whatever they thrown at me. I've been able to handle you don't get to do this job for almost forty years. If you can't hang, you know, whether it was doing sports whether it was doing early morning news. Whether it's general Simon reporter now, I'm on our storytelling, which means I get to go out and find cool stories and cool interesting characters, and which I love, you know, so long story short at the time. I wasn't happy. Yeah. But you know, I mean, this is a business where if you're happy over a long period of time. It's usually a coincidence. It's not because anybody's. Trying to make you happy. So you're always feeling like there's something waiting around the corner. That's always feel you know in your case thirty nine years and my case Mark almost two decades. And just like what's waiting around the corner. What's which I guess lends itself to why you've adapted, but the sports casting thing to go from sports too early morning news. We've seen Rennie do it as well. I guess we're not the fourth Randy down here as well. Right with with your sports casting career. I felt like you were like a guy who if you wanted to and sometimes people don't want to could go take your pick to some other places. If you wanted to even though we're both Saint Louis guys did that this was that something that was going on in the nineteen eighties. Where people were kind of going. Hey, our holiday might be good to move him here there. I've got a couple of stories related to that one. Was I got a call from WABC in New York and they wanted to tape this when I was doing weekend sports. So I sent him attain you when that happened you remember, I was probably still in my. Maybe late twenties early thirties. Maybe and you know, so I sent a tape. Never heard anything never heard anything. And then maybe about a year and a half later. I ran into this guy that I used to work with at five and he said, yeah, I was in the news directors office at WABC in New York. And I saw your tape in the slush pile. Oh, really? Yeah. The news director that asks for all those tapes got fired. But the tapes got left behind. Never news directors. Got you know, big pile of audition to well now not anymore. Everything's digital now. So that was a missed opportunity. But right after six months after I started on the early morning news. I get a call from John Philip Pelly who was the coordinating producer for college basketball that NBC sports. Very odd phone call to beginning at my desk and the newsroom, and he goes art, Bob Costas says you're pretty good, and we should take a look at you as a sideline reporter and the rest of the story was that the following season. NBC was getting the National Basketball. So. Mission. And so they were doing live auditions to be an NBA sideline. Reporter. They had sportscasters from all over the country X athletes coaches at the time Rudy marts key was riding for USA day that calm he wrote about it in Dan sees wrote about it locally. So I got to got to do to college basketball games. I did the first one was UNLV temple that he was sick. They were they were loaded. I mean that was Stacey Augmon Larry Johnson. Greg. Anthony, Mark Macon was playing for temple saying I got to work with Marv Albert and Almaguer on that game. And you know, it went okay. But you know, the game wasn't shown here in Saint Louis. But and then later on a few weeks later, I did Mizzou and Notre Dame. And that's when norm Stewart was still coaching at Mizzou and Lafont L is was playing for Notre Dame and norm kicked me out of his huddle. I was trying to drop any any kicked me out of his huddle. But I interviewed Lou Holtz on the regional broadcast. And and then I never heard anything. And then obviously, they they hired a mod Rashad who was already on the payroll, and, you know, so at that point my head spinning I've just left sports to go into news. You know? So I'm concentrating on that. I get the dream phone call, you know, getting chance at the show at the network level. And then you don't seal the deal, you know. So I was bummed about that. I'm still trying to become a newscaster, you know, and I got through it. But it was you know, it was not an easy time. But again, I mean you've got to make a decision. Okay. Yeah. You had a tough break boohoo. Nobody cares. You know? He's still got a job few people even get that phone call in the first place. Well, and the fact that I had no idea that Bob Costas was paying any more attention to me than anyone else. And that he went out on a limb to his peers at the network level. I mean, that's still one of one of my career high lines and recently when he was inducted into the hall of fame. I shared that story on my Facebook page, and somehow it got back to Bob. And so he called me and whole real. And he's like, yes, somebody said you wrote something about me on Facebook. And I yeah, I was telling them that story about you know, how you recommend me to NBC sports and how meaningful that was to me. And we had a we had a great conversation. But I mean, I remember the first time I met cost us in the we were in the press box at Busch stadium too. And I see him walking toward me any any. You know, I'm paying oh. Should I say anything, you know? I'd never spoken to him. And he walks over and sticks out his hand hot hard. I'm Bob Costas. Yeah. I know who you are. Ohio. So the hallway you got into broadcast journalism was actually in some capacity kind of an accident. Is that a fair way to portray it? No. That is the way. Whether it's fair. I was telling you earlier my my freshman year of college. I went to Carbondale with the intention of getting into their film department, and I had some vague idea about becoming a filmmaker, and then I didn't want to pay out of state tuition anymore. So I transferred to Mizzou, and I had no idea that ad a world class journalism school the first journalism school in the world. And you know, sister that I declare a major as a sophomore, you know, a lot of pressure there. And so I had this like internal thirty second conversation. Well, you're pretty good writer. You got a decent voice you enjoy photography. Why don't we try broadcasting? And that was it. You know, I mean people from all over the world and most states in the country. Go out of their way to go to Columbia for the journalism school, and I wound up there by accident. And it had a huge impact on my career because I was extremely prepared. When I left there. I had incredible support from the instructors that I came in contact with. And that's not always the case. And you know, I mean, sometimes they would be brutally honest with people. You know, maybe you're not cut out for this. Maybe you should try this. But no one ever told me that I couldn't do this. In fact, you know, one instructor in particularly Wilson who was in charge of the broadcast department when I was there in in the mid seventies. You know, gave me a lot of opportunities. He made me a teaching assistant told me to go to summer school instead of getting an internship because he put me on the air five nights a week. And you know, I was doing sports then. And you know, so that set the stage for you know, my last semester in school three weeks before I graduated I was hired for my first job in a top forty market. That's so unheard of even now it's unheard of much less. What was that? Like the late seventies. Yes. That will would have been seventy six. Okay. And you know at the time, I didn't know any different. I thought everybody sent out an audition tape and the news director got on a plane and flew to Columbia to interview you, and you know, and it was a top forty market. I mean, I didn't know any different. And it was later on when I started comparing notes with my peers. Oh, okay. I guess this isn't typical new. Yes. So I was I was working at Keio CO TV in Oklahoma City. Barry Switzer down there. You was there. I mean, Billy SIMS won the Heisman while I was working in Oklahoma City. Terry Miller was a Heisman candidate running back at at Oklahoma state. You know, sausa- incredible football and worked there almost three years. And then I always wanted to work in a warm. Weather city by the water. Right. And suddenly, I get a job offer from Tampa, Florida. So I go down to Tampa interview for the NBC station down there. And they wanted to hire me and before I said, yes, I get a call from a really good friend of mine. Rick gabor's. We went together agent. Right. He's an agent now. Then he was a producer at five. And he said Rhonda Kober Jay Randolph are looking for a weekend sports caster. If you're interested, you should send a tape and before I knew it. I had two job offers. I can either go to the beach or I could come home where my parents could see me, and I knew what that would mean for them and channel five made it a little bit easier because they wound up offering more money. And so I mean that was literally a fork in the road that had huge implications because I met my wife about. Six months after I moved back to Saint Louis, and you know, it's it's one of those forks in the road and hope even -joyed art holidays stories so far in this interview. And if you do enjoy art holiday if you do enjoy our guests every Sunday night, make sure that you support our sponsors because without our sponsors. Hey, you know, what we don't have podcast. It's that simple. I'm not going to do this for my my health or a hobby. That's not the way it's going to work. These people advertise, and therefore the only way that you can help the cause is by supporting the sponsors. But here's the thing. I'm not just referring you to somebody who's just going to like screw things up for you, James Carlton of James Carlton. State farm insurance agency is somebody who I have just switched my both personal and professional accounts over to. And as a matter of fact was exchanging emails with my dad, and I said, I know, you know, you haven't met him. But I'm telling you because see hit the place. He's with I guess it's up in a couple of weeks November. I said this guy's good. And you got you know, this and this and this and this you. To really talk to them Tenny on board with you. I know you wouldn't steer me wrong. I'll give them a call. My God bless you should his name is James Karl. I'm referring to my father, and I made the switch, and this is an insurance guy. And I'll be real honest with you over the years on TMA, we've had a number of people who've advertised their insurance their insurance brokers, and I'm not by any means I want to be crystal clear on this saying that they didn't do a good job. Honestly it did today. They might be incredible themselves for real, I just know this. I started working with James just because we ran into an issue. We had a car under inside STL's name in John Seymour laughed. I gave that car to Iggy for the duration of its lease. And we had to we had to make a quick switch on the insurance real complicated thing. But James was the one who helped when I wasn't getting answers from either place in James took care of it. I'm just like, oh, and he goes, but don't switch to me because there with. The and I don't I don't want them to think I'm soliciting your business. And I'm like, all right. I won't I won't. And then another thing popped up. And I'm like said to Anna, Marie my wife. I said cat. Why aren't we with James this is because I mean, I don't know how many things I get in the mail with regarding insurance. And it just puts me on tilt and things get missed. And that's what James is so good at and you don't realize that. Because I think you think all insurance brokers are the same, and I don't blame you for thing. And that I thought that up until a year ago, and then I realized this guy's in a different world three one four nine six one forty eight hundred go online at Carlton insurance dot net. If your insurance costs, leg and arm, call James Carlton state farm, and you wind up covering some pretty good baseball teams. Well, I mean the widey ball era come on. I mean, you know for four foil for a for a lifelong cardinal fan. I didn't think it could get any better than going to Busch stadium and reporting on the cardinals. And then you know, now, I get here in seventy nine and the cardinals. Very good. I mean, they've been in a drought since what's next. Ask let you. And I covered Whitey Herzog first conference out at grants form news conference when he was hired. And of course, no at the time. Nobody knew what that was going to mean. And then why moved into the front office. And I mean, there was a short period of time within why did he was just like it was deal after deal after deal after deal, and he remade the team and he traits Garry Templeton brings hoc- Smith and. You know? I mean, it's a cliche, but the rest is history. I mean that the eighties. I mean, what an incredible decade. That's why they want an exciting brands as LOL I always say, I would watch the first base pit because that's where it was a pit of dirt on the turf if Coleman McGee Ozzie even Tommy her, you know, they would steal vases. And I absolutely loved that style of baseball. Plus, and maybe I'm wrong you had to cover them. I know that covering the cardinals new to thousands wasn't the easiest task. Although there were some using character. It seemed like it was a fun group of guys. What was it like to cover those guys? Well. It depended on the guy. Usually workers. Mark. If it was silent George Henry that was a really short interview. Which means with another way of saying that he would politely declined. Does. He wasn't doing interviews. But I told why years later said he I said, why do you made me a better reporter because I saw him dress reporters up and down. If they ask a question. He thought was stupid and inappropriate. And I said I didn't want to be that guy. But Eighty-three the year after the cardinals win the World Series, right wide. He's a God. And so I went to my news director j rand office. We should do a profile of Whitey hers on he's the most popular guy in town. Right. And so my idea was to convince him to put a wireless microphone on during a game. No one nineteen Eighty-three local sports wasn't putting wireless migrants on major League Managers. I mean now it's commonplace on network broadcasts. Everybody's Mike up. Then that was a pretty radical idea. So it's a Jay who was doing the cardinal broadcast on Cassie coun- Cassidy K, you know, he convinced Whitey to do. And so we get there and we're in wide use office before the game. And we're hooking him up with the wireless, and he's going. I don't know why you guys are putting a microphone I never say thing during the game anyway, and I'm looking at him, and I'm like, man, I hope he's Bs and otherwise, this ain't gonna be much story. So. Before the game. Why these work in the room? Hey, Keith talking to Keith Hernandez. You ready to go? You ready to go? You know, he's just you know. Hey, Mike Ramsey. You're ready to go. You know, it just. Testing the water temperature in the room getting guys ready, so walking and harsh pitching and he's struggling. And so we got we're we got our camera in the dugout, and why do you talking to hub Kittle the pitching coach for the cardinals a hub? You think ought to go out and talk to walking because. Yeah, I think you ought to go talk to him while he so he calls time out, and he goes out there. Now, everybody wonders what the hell does the manager say when he goes out to talk to a pitcher. Well, we're about to find out. And why these like, hey, Joaquin you once when on twenty some games for us last year, we won the World Series. And you're throwing this blankety blank today. Now, take the blankety blank ball and throw it blankety blank blankety blank. So we had to bleep on. You know, when it was it was amazing. And then later on there's like a five or six run rally, and why is in the in the dugout? He's going over to Mike Ramsey. This happened you're going to do this. He goes over to somebody this happens. You're I mean, he's like a traffic cop and he's like three or four batters ahead of what's taking place on the field. You know, it's gold for my story. Because now we see why this guys, you know. Right. So the story runs we we did a three part series. And you know, they gave me as much time as I wanted because we had so much great stuff. So one part of it was a lengthy interview with widey it was mostly about leadership and managing and his philosophy of of how to treat players, and and how to make sure the twenty fifth guy on the team is ready to go when you need him because he's the guy that doesn't get any attention. The superstars they get too much attention. And he, you know, so he was gave a lot of really thoughtful answers. And then the third piece was it was just basically a net sound piece of that game that we had the wireless on him. And so. This is eighty three so fast forward to about two thousand ten. We had a weekly cardinal show on channel five and they resurrected my Whitey Herzog peace and started running some of. And people were coming up to wide you on the streets. Hey, I saw that piece of art holiday did back on you and eighty three and you had the wireless mic on. It was great is fantastic. Well, why do you had never seen it? So his assistant calls our newsroom and asks if we could put it on DVD. So we did a couple of weeks later. I get a call at my desk. And the newsroom aren't why. Do you hers on? This is not a normal day. And I said, why do you what can I do for you? He goes I just wanted to. Thank you for number one for doing that story back on me in in eighty three. I sat down with my grandkids while and they got to see what grandpa was all about. Because those kids weren't even born then in in the eighties. And he goes if you ever need anything for me, all you gotta do is ask. And and sure enough I remember specifically when STAN Musial was getting the medal of freedom. I wanted to get a comment from Whitey. So I called him up, and he goes, well, I'm running a bunch of areas today. I'll just stop by the station. But that, but you know, so from eighty three to two thousand ten that story Awadhi hers Auge had a life at Santa great store. Oh, it's an incredible story. How does that make you feel that I think you put this? This was your idea your brain Chaldean eighty three. And now that's something that, you know, his family is gonna be. It was beyond cool. I mean, I I mean when he when he mentioned his grandkids and watching them, I mean, anyone who has children, and grandchildren know, how meaningful that is to share something with them. And it was obvious that that was extremely meaningful to him. Yeah. And to be a part of that was I mean that was incredible. I mean is I mean that story was so far in my view mirror. You know? And then tall the sudden have it be front and center again because it was a moment for him and his grandkids. Oh, that's the value. That was cool. That's the best with these moments in Saint Louis sports, the nineteen eighties there. I think there are some signature moments. And I might forget some you have where you end Kansas City for game six and Denkinger. I was not you were not I was not as a person covering that team. Do you recall the evening? I'm sure you were watching the game. That was that saying, I don't know if you're on the desk in Jay, and whom Mike Bush was there at that point. I think I think he was right around that. Yes. Yeah. That sounds about right. And in that, and that particular I mean, which is still now synonymous we both went to the university of Missouri. I had no idea that Kansas City people kind of had a thing with Saint Louis until I got there in nineteen ninety four and they still bring up nineteen eighty-five even here in two thousand eighteen for the Ryan's down there. And most of the students down there were ten years from being born. So they hear about that the Monday night miracle nine eighty six at the arena, right and Doug Wickenheiser, Doug Wickenheiser where you in the building for that. I was in the building where you'll ever that one. And then I would imagine that place was shaking. Well, I mean, you well anyone who went to the old barn as they call it. What is the weather was the Reno or the checker dome? It changed names. I mean that place had a lot of history and as far as the blues were concerned. And I mean that's easily the loudest I've seen it there. I mean, there may be there have been other events like them with that one so memorable to longtime blues fan, and and then one that that kind of ties into your career is the cardinals winning in nineteen eighty-seven right because events Coleman and your interview live the locker room, which somehow we have this fan page for our radio show with like seven thousand members and it popped up like a couple of weeks ago. And I don't know if somebody said that whatever thirty one years ago today. Holiday Inn, Vince Coleman. What was the win the eastern? They win the pennant or something was going on. I think they adjust qualified for the World Series. Okay. And you know, so I'm live in the locker room during the ten pm newscast. Mike Bush on the sports desk. He tosses to me in the locker room and Vince just goes off and he's like. We got an all-star every position Jack Clark, Tommy. Is Smith Terry Pendleton, you know. Really make you know. So I'm like holy drunk. And I'm like. Can I ask you serious going? What else you wanna know? This is a great threat with like the perfect cadence. Well, this tape services this time every year. Yeah. Some either I think this time one of our web people put it out there. But it always pops up during the baseball playoff. And so he goes from being drunk to giving me a very sober nuanced answer. And then you know, I guess his teammates got well. You know, we got to live in this party because Vince is getting serious. So then here comes the champion beer again. And my eye of B is shorting in my ear. So I'm getting a little electric jolt in my ear during the whole thing. And. Yeah, it was it was crazy. I mean that was an I've I've actually got a couple of photos that someone took when I was interviewing him. I got one of them at my desk at work. But yeah, that that was a fun class was the class. And then finally as far as signature moments, the nineteen eighties and less. I missing one would be when the football cardinals moved. Yeah. We experienced it here in the relatively recent ears with the Rams what was that like covering the team all while knowing that's hovering over. Well. I mean with the benefit of hindsight all Bill Bidwill wanted was a new stadium. He didn't wanna play in a, you know, one of the multi purpose stadiums, which were the rage at that point. You know, he wanted us a football only stadium. Well. For whatever reason he was not particularly well liked by the movers and shakers here in Saint Louis. I don't know if it was his personality. I'm not really sure what it was. But they called his bluff. And there was no sentiment to build a new stadium. Now, what did we wind up doing? We wound up building a new stadium without even knowing if we were going to have a team. So, you know, did we screw that one up? Yeah. I mean, we should probably still have the football cardinals. You know, we should've built a stadium, but we didn't. And you know, the Rams that was largely self inflicted. But you know, to have a Missouri guy be the owner and dump on us on the way out of town. You know, I don't I don't dislike the Rams and I don't purposely avoid watching their games. I don't have much good to say about. In cronk in as an owner. And as a native Missourian, you know, I just thought that was you know. I it's easy to sit here and say, oh, if he had just been up front, well, you know, how often do you see that? But. I think we all understand from a business standpoint. His team was going to be much more valuable in LA, you know, but to it looks like they were trying to tank while they were here to affect attendance. And I can't wait for this to go to trial. I man, that's I hope there's television cameras because that's much CT him. It will be for football fans here in Saint Louis. I suspect that eventually they'll settle because I don't think the NFL does not want its dirty laundry. Aired in a public forum like a courtroom. I could everything you just said, I couldn't agree with you more because I get it. It was self inflicted. I hate to say it, but it was self inflicted with that clause. I don't blame him for essentially doubled the value of his franchise. And now he is the guy in Los Angeles. I get all that the one thing that is don't get like why is you said dump on. The city on your way out the door. I don't get what the point of that was. I'd really be curious. I assume there was a point. I don't know. Sometimes I look back on and go, maybe this wasn't as, you know, meta as I thought it was, you know, and and I don't know I just I don't I don't get that. And I'm curious on this. And I don't know what your, you know, thought processes and level of comfort and going into it. But I like to get the perspective, especially for guys who have been on the anchor desk for for a good long while Saint Louis, whether it be Steve my e even ready coming here in two thousand four on a lifelong Saint Louis and grew up on the south side, you grew up in Saint Charles, and the Rams moving kind of coincide didn't kind of did coincide with what Saint Louis was experiencing with Ferguson, especially from a national perspective. And I think the self esteem of the region had never really been lower. And it still suffers from that. So as you observe the region the market in which you've worked for nearly forty years. What do you see having changed? Whether it be for the better or for the war since you first. Got to channel five in nineteen Seventy-nine art while boy, that's a big question. Let me let me give that a moment of thought. Well. I I would say this that. You know, Saint Louis has a race problem. I I, you know, I mean, that's I think I'm stating the obvious when I say that and. Shame on us. If we don't try to fix some of the things that are wrong after Ferguson because if we don't use this as an opportunity to have some difficult conversations in our community, and I think to some degree that's taking place. You know, I. You know, I just I actually just one of the last stories that I did last week before I went on vacation was who's doing a story in Ferguson with the about the the police chief delridge moss resigning to go back to Florida and be closer to his family. But I was talking to a local businessman there who's he's an insurance agent and his office overlooks west Florisa nes where it's directly across the street from where the new boys and Girls Club is going to be going up. But that was also ground zero for a lot of the turmoil that happened, and he was talking about how they really felt like they had the right guy as a police chief when they hired chief moss. He had been through some similar situations in Florida he made a conscious decision to go after this. Job. Apparently, according to this businessman moss had made a lot of impact as far as the police department, which was maligned badly in the department of Justice report as far as the way, it was operating in Ferguson and. You know, he was wondering are we gonna be able to find anyone is good? I think there are some positives that came out of Ferguson, you have the a brand new urban league headquarters built there. You've got a brand new boys and Girls Club that's going to be a huge resource. I mean anyone who's ever, you know, I I grew up in the boys club in Saint Charles. I mean, that's where I spent most of my free time. I think that's going to be a huge resource for young people going forward because if you're playing sports and doing activities, and and your supervised by adults who care you're not out wreaking havoc. You know? So I think there I think there is some progress being made there are a lot of people a lot of organization. And individuals who are trying to be part of the solution in Saint Louis. So that gives me some hope, but we're talking history here. You know, I did a story. I guess it was last year. About how they had these covenants where white people were not allowed to sell property to black people. It was one way to segregate the city, you know. So you're talking about systemic racism, in some cases, and these are just like understood agreements like verbal agreement. Yes. And in fact, it led to a supreme court case that overturned it, you know. So you had the situation in Saint Louis that made its way through the courts and went all the way to the supreme court. It's fascinating case that I really had never heard about. And, but it it it goes to explain a little bit of how why we're considered one of the most segregated cities in the country. Oh, I guess about maybe a year year and a half ago. My general manager came to me and said, and this was kind of related to our post Ferguson coverage. She wanted me to me, and and the producer though, was working with to come up with a series of reports that would about race in Saint Louis, and that was kind of all the direction that she gave me, and they gave us several weeks to brainstorm and meet with people. And and so what we came up with was a a series of reports called building bridges, and it was about individuals and organizations that are trying to bring Saint Louis together. You know, so I did a story about a community choir that's integrated because as one of the people in the story pointed out one of the most segregated days insane. Nt Lewis is Sunday morning. When people go to church, you know, you have all white congregations. You have all black congregations and frequently they don't get together. So they created this community choir and their goal is to hosts a series of concerts throughout the year where they invite different congregations together. And part of the program is to, you know, talk to someone here that you don't know. Trauma? Remember, another one. There was a to white suburban mothers who were concerned about their kids growing up in an increasingly diverse world. So they created an organization. Gives parents book suggestions, you know, for young kids and the books are multi racial. They're not just telling they're telling a lot of different stories and most of the people who are the parents who have joined the organizations are white parents who want their kids to. Understand the world that they live in. Everyone doesn't look like us. It's not a good thing or a bad thing. It's just the thing. And I, you know, so that was a an interesting story to tell you know, so. To get back to your question. I I have a little bit of hope. But then when you look at the national politics the politics of division where? It seems like we're doing the exact opposite of trying to bridge these gaps. And I don't want to get you know, too far into that. But you know, I think any fair minded person will recognize that, you know, our country is divided and a lot of it starts at the top. And so that doesn't make the situation any better. And you I think you can make a strong argument that it makes the situation worse. Hope you're enjoying the conversation with our holiday of Cassie K. Channel five. I really did. I always say this though, but I did really enjoyed the conversation. And art said so too. He was walking out as a matter of fact, so that's always good to hear just love talking with people hearing their stories a lot of times, you know, some things and then you find out more things. And that's what's going on in this conversation is as you will hear I've also, you know, I've said this to the audience and. It's something that I really want to make sure that if you could. Listen to what I'm saying. Because I feel so strongly about it. I really messed up. I really messed up when it came down to how I handled my finances, and I don't want if I handle my money it makes it sound. Like, I was like some, you know guy making millions of dollars, which, you know, not the case. But I certainly was in a position where? In a lot of people go out if I could go back to being twenty three years old, especially in my spot twenty three years old, and we're twenty three and a half, not even so, you know, just a few months removed from turning Twenty-three damn you're twenty two years old coming back and working in my hometown. The blues were great. The cardinals were great. The Rams were great. Gary Pinkel just gotten hired. So things are moving up their Missouri. Went to an elite eight two thousand two and go back and cook. At wish I would have done this wish I wouldn't have wasted my time in this relationship, and I would have had some fun. That's what a lot of people. If they could go back. I certainly would have never gotten off the pro-peace show. There's another thing that I. But what I would do if I could go back. Oh my God in a heartbeat. I would manage my money better in a heart, and it really wouldn't have impacted things that much it just was dumb. There's just no other way around. If I go back if I could find my checkbook's and see how many deposits I made to poker stars in like two thousand four five six seven before. I started winning in two thousand eight. So there's four years of losing. Oh god. Oh, I don't want to think about it. I maybe my maybe I should do that. Although what's the upside of doing that? Because I just because I the only the only there is no upside, and the downside is it could be much more than I thought it was like how much I lost and think oh to think that you're in a position, especially in your twenties and often times not married or having children that you can. Start saving money, and what that would do for you. But I know what you're thinking. If you're in your twenties is that. I mean retirement Titus guy just got out of school or I've just been working for handful years. It's it's it's not even something that's on the table. And I'm telling you, and I don't like saying because I feel like this is like the thing you would hear from what you consider old people or adults when you're growing up, but it goes so fucking quick that ear like, whoa. What just happened? I mean, just like ten years ago. I was like the young punk guy. And now, I'm forty two and you're going holy shit. I'm super close to you know, having to think about retirement, and I've got kids. And now, I've got an that. It just happens. You know, like the way I was like like watching the way things are playing out kind of on social media. And I'm like, oh, yeah. I remember, you know, she was, you know, like, always intoxicated at this place. And you know, you know, with this guy this time, and you know, and then and then then all of a sudden like oh my gosh. She's posting about her kids like that was just like seven years ago. We were doing that. That doesn't nail the Senate happens. And so what am I trying to tell you? I'm trying to tell you this you have to account balances, you have your financial account balance, and you have the balance of time and ideally, the former grows, but I assure you the ladder will not and so therefore manage the ladder just like you would manage the former and maximize that which you have in that time account balance and don't take it for granted. Like I did. 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And you're setting this aside knightdale, your employer matching it, and you're building up your retirement, or you're saving for something that you want in the near future, but you're doing so by budgeting, it's just so smart. It's so basic, and I can't believe I screwed it up. I did. Here's your way to make sure you don't three one four eight eight nine zero five zero three three one four eight eight nine zero five zero three or checkout Mark Hanna online at evergreen, S T, L dot com. I think I think I'm hopeful. Because anytime I sit down with anybody white black doesn't matter and I've had a lot of political figures on this show. And I don't know how that's happened. But it's happened. It's it's cool. That has happened. I always say growing up in south city. I I I was like five or six years old. I just remember hearing things like, well if one of them moves in I'm putting a four sale sign up. And I just remember thinking myself what is that about? What is what is that mindset all about? And it makes any I thought I knew it was wrong. Then it six and I still see some of that today. And I guess you could use Delmore, I suppose it's like the the dividing line. Well, that's become the metaphor for what's taken place in Saint Louis, the del mar Brian, and I just ended in it drives me up the wall because I've been lucky enough doing sports we got to travel around and see all these other cities. And I think part of the greatness of Saint Louis, but it cuts both ways is a lot of people who grew up here stay here. And so therefore don't have the good opportunity that you and I had traveling with the cardinals Rams blues. Whatever the case might be football cardinals and seeing other markets and going, wow, we're behind and we're continuing to fall behind and I think the good thing. Now is that there's actually recognition that there are problems as opposed to when I used to talk about this on the radio. It was like what are you? What are you? No. You know, you're twenty five years old. Nobody, you know. And I and I think that's good because in order for us to actually make progress. There has to be an acknowledgement that there's a problem. Sure. So from that standpoint, I'm encouraged, but like you said I'm a little concerned by you know, what is the solution? How do you fix something that is so deeply rooted, and I wonder about that? And that's why like getting the perspective of somebody who's been around for forty years in the market to see it. And of course, also grew up here. Well, a lot of the issues that we're talking about. Now, we've been talking about since the forties and the fifties and the sixties, you know, in terms of equal educational opportunities. I think that I think that there are there are a lot of people in Saint Louis who care and and are trying to be part of the solution. But there aren't any easy solutions when you're talking about systems and ways of treating people that are. Decades in the making, you know, so it's not an easy situation. Yeah. I mean, I mean that that almost sounds silly to say, but it's honest, it's real maybe it's the thing we consider and talk about the problems, but what is a realistic solution. And that's why I'm curious. You know, I mean position you have sat in you've gotten to see gotten him. I'm sure you've ad-lib Dover and read stories that you're like, oh, it's it's heartbreaking to Torri. And this is my hometown. As you said, you're sitting there looking at your high school, right? Burn down. While you're on the air. I mean, you've seen some things. And so you have perspective that that many of us. You know, never will have well, the the aftermath of Ferguson, including the department of Justice report, including a white paper by a local advocacy group that detailed. How many poor people were abused by the system. How you have all these municipalities with their own individual police departments and. In many cases, they were financing their communities with traffic stops. Yeah. And if you're a poor person, and you get caught up in that, let's say, you you get, you know, some traffic violations. Well, if you miss a court date. You get fines that are tagged on on top of that. If you can't afford to pay those fines, they continue to accrue if you drive from one community to another and get pulled over for speeding. You're worried about that. You can in many cases, lose your home lose your job because of all of these you know, it's like you're punished because you're poor. And that was one of the another one of the findings that came out, you know, post Ferguson. Some of that's been corrected. Again, you know, a lot of work to do. Yeah. No, easy answers. Final question for you. I can't imagine. There's anybody in the market who has who. At this moment has been on the air longer than you. It's a compliment, by the way. That's a good thing. It's a great thing. It's a phenomenal thing in this business. Do you go? Okay. This is what I think I'll shut it down or you like I love what I'm doing. And I I'll do it. You know, fifteen years for all I care. Well, I haven't made that decision yet. I'm I'm actually thinking about it a lot. I do enjoy what I'm doing. Sometimes it's your decision. Sometimes it isn't you know, that's the way this business works. So. It wouldn't surprise me. If I kept going beyond forty years. But you know, I I kind of wish I had a crystal ball. I'm kind of curious myself. Yeah. You know, but but there's also other things that I want to do. And you know, I've got multiple film projects that you know, are basically a money drain right now. But but they're interesting story. And I mean, you know, some of your your listeners will know that you know, I've been working on a a music documentary about Johnny Johnson, the rock and Roll Hall of fame piano player that closely associated with Chuck Berry for many years, and the people you've interviewed for that. I mean, that's like it's like mount Rushmore times. What four five with the names, it's rock and Roll Hall of famers in huge names. Oh my gosh. The things incredible. Well, the thing that I found was that Johnny Johnson's name was revered within the music community. Because if you're trying to get Keith Richards attention or Eric Clapton's attention or Bonnie rates attention or Bob Weir's attention or Joe Perry from Aerosmith you're trying to get his attention. If they don't care about what? Your topic? Is you don't even exist? You know? But all of these people stopped what they were doing to talk about an obscure piano player. I mean, we if we, you know, walked over here across the street to sh- nooks, and did a, you know, a poll of people in the building who knew who even who Johnny Johnson was it would probably be a fairly low percent I, but he and Chuck Berry made Saint Louis one of the birthplaces of rock and roll. I mean music that was created here in Saint Louis heavily influenced the Beatles and the Rolling Stones before they found their own musical voices and influenced, you know, everybody. I mean, that's like like they say like the Bill Walsh coaching family tree. It trickles down at trickles down is being influenced. Now, we'll store I hope the thing. I know you hope more than anybody else that it gets made. But it's such an incredible project. I really would love to see that thing. Get you've already accomplished on it. I haven't. I'm still tweaking the structure of it. But I mean, I have a completed film, but that's not necessarily the hardest part in hardest part is is how do I get a lot of material into the film material that shows how great Johnny Johnson is. You know, whether it's, you know, him performing in hail rock and roll or, you know, performing with Eric Clapton in London, you know, when he's bleeding all over the keyboards because he's having a brain hemorrhage and almost dies. You know? I mean, all of that material is part of Johnny story. But you know, you're talking about material that's owned by big media companies, and they have way more lawyers than I did. So I have to tread very carefully because there's one hundred and one ways I can get sued. And then don't know how long how much you want. To get into this. You know, Chuck Berry wasn't a big fan of this film. And you know, so that's been an issue all along. So I wasn't he film. Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I can't I didn't have a conversation with him about. Why don't you like this film? I'm assuming and again, I want to emphasize, you know, this is my interpretation is that a big part of the film examines, the songwriting controversy should Johnny Johnson have been considered a co songwriter on some of the most famous songs of rock and Roll's first generation, you know, the authorship that would have made him a very rich, man. And there was an unsuccessful lawsuit in the early two thousands. It was dismissed because too much time at pass there's a statute of limitations in the US on on those sorts of of copyright claims. But a very similar case happened in Great Britain where there is no statute of limitations on the song wider shade of pale by harem, Matthew Fisher, played that Oregon part that everyone recalls from that hit song decades later he sued and won and got back. He got a songwriting credit on the song and back royalties. You know, so it's a very similar lawsuit to the one are the similar you'll argument to the one that Johnny Johnson was making. So I I'm assuming that that's part of it. But you don't have to you don't have to tear down Chuck Berry to lift up. Johnny johnson. Those two guys were giant's neither one of them read music, but they created music changed the world, you know, one of the one of the story lines in the film is that you know, rock and roll was an engine for social change. Change because it black kids and white kids who were normally separated and segregated. They're digging the same music, and they literally had at the concert venues, they literally had a rope or a velvet, you know, divider separating the white kids on one side of the room and the black kids and the other. Well, you know, once that rock and roll beat started that wrote down. Yeah. And you know, so that's their observations by people in the film, including, you know, Taylor hack for the movie director about the influence that rock and roll music. And that certainly includes Chuck Berry and Johnny Johnson had on the integration of America in the nineteen sixty minutes a great project. I was reading about in advance of us to in the interview. And like, I really wanna see that. I mean, that's super cool. You and me both. Renaissance sports caster morning news anchor and now involved in film and also telling stories on KFC K for nearly forty years. Art. Thank you so much for coming in and doing this. I appreciate is put a pleasure. My pleasure as well. Thank you. So there it is my conversation with art holiday forty years forty years at KFC Kay. How about that? I asked him before the injury and might have come up in. The course the interview I feel like I was before the interview. But maybe said that only Betsy Bruce has been in Saint Louis television longer than she's retired. But that's something else. I mean, that's really something else. And he's a really good guy. Obviously, very smart thoughtful. And and I gotta tell you also regarding you know, the project we're discussing their the end, I really hope that gets off the ground. I when I was reading about it in advance of the interview, you know, just doing my attempted to research. I was I was in awe of the the caliber of interviews. He was able to get to get, you know, those names to sit down with him. I mean that is so difficult to do and he did it. And so I really wanna see I wanna see at work because he's put his heart and soul into it. Loved hearing about his stories coming up Vince Coleman story, certainly, but in addition his time in Saint Louis thoughts on Saint Louis in the project. He's working on just a good guys. I I think it's the first time we'd ever met. So that was cool as well. 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The Kilcoyne Conversation Darryl Strawberry
"And welcome into the kilcoyne conversation this week. Featuring the one. And only darrell strawberry mention that name and probably a lot of things come to mind number. One overall pick superstar for the new york mets in his early twenties. He and doc. Gooden were the sort of the poster children for the mets emerging as power and then later for a lot of the problems that came with that early fame and success. But darrell strawberry. You did play Close to seventeen years in the league might of missed a year but eighty three to ninety nine eight time all star over three hundred home runs. Thousand rbi's is. And i bring this up in the interview with him because a lot of what's written about darrell. Strawberry is what might have been if you didn't have his demons and addiction issues. Boy what might have been and It's kind of funny to hear that with somebody that did get three thirty five. Was the exact number for home. Runs thousand rbi's mentioned the eight time all star so despite all of his issues at a pretty lengthy career but then post baseball famously. Battled those drug issues. He tells the story how he met his wife Woman from saint louis. Who's now a pastor there real involved in ministry here traveling around the country. Natalie talked about their faith but trying to keep people away from drugs in up that drug life and just the emptiness that comes with it in for darryl. It goes back when he was a kid. He said his father was a violent abusive alcoholic and there was a night in the home where he pulled a shotgun and he said i'm convinced if my mother doesn't pull us out of there that we would kill him that night so the story for darryl is complicated. It starts young with problems at home. But it's now a full circle turnaround trying to help others clean. I believe for about eighteen years now. Following god and writing a new book called. Turn your season around. How god transforms your life. That's new book from darrell strawberry and that sort of are jumping off point in the interviews to talk about the book. He's written now but for our cardinal fans of course. We're going to go back to the eighties. Talk about the whitey herzog. David johnson mets cards rivalry and i was curious. Things you read on wikipedia. You know that he got into a fight with keith hernandez on team picture date spring training that he called wally backman a little redneck and he was going to beat them up. We get it all of that. Some of the big moments. Over the years terry pendleton homerun at shea stadium late in the eighty seven regular season. So certainly a lot of baseball talk. But also with darrell strawberry just life decisions and peace now really wants to help other people. It's a fascinating story if you think about where. He went from a to z. It's just it's a name that sort of has a magical vibe to it and Just talking to him now you can tell he's at peace. 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Davila senior living at the corner of clayton and wiedeman road. Since nineteen sixty here in st louis providing supreme senior living marie davila dot com as reading ticky virtual tour. Find out more about this beautiful campus and the place that read shane's called home for so many years without further ado what that means. We say it all the time. I should probably look it up. French took it in high school for a little while without further. ado darrell. Strawberry the mets legend and saint louis resident. That's still freaks me out. But he's got a new book out. Turn your season around. How god can transform your life daryl. Great to talk to you. And it's great to have you in town in as as a lifelong saint louis and i told you this i'll get text from people saying i think i saw strawberry at the mall or the store. I'm curious how much you get people coming up the in saint louis sane. Aren't you daryl scrubber. I got a lot of that. You know they remember me from my heydays plan with the medicine. Of course they didn't like us you know we didn't have that much left for the cardinals. You know because we were each great ball clubs and we were fighting for the division. You'll remember back then when you had to play. It wasn't a wild card. You had to win the division to get into the playoffs. Oh i just remember the carnage chron dream. Nineteen eighty five and we came back in eighty six and we crush their dreams so it was always nice that have that good battle against the cardinals but you know. Limited saint louis has been a been a blessing. Really has my wife's from here and you know we've been able to a lot of great things here. It's a great community. Great people and i'm just thankful that we came back. We left for a few years and went to florida nine. We came back and we go to church out in troy call journey church in. You know my wife's a pastor there and we just do a lot of great things with people well. Let's talk about the book you've written ones before but this one is turning your season around good baseball analogy but how god can really transform your life. Tell us about the book and why this book right now. At the end of the day life has his journey. And has this turns. And you know you're twisting trysted in life when you go through certain challenges of life and for me. That's what it was. You know being able to overcome so many different things being able to become a different person. You written a lot of before but This book has to do with by my face and walking for the last eighteen years. I've been doing a preacher for the last thirteen years in god called me from a whole different place. It which. I knew. I wasn't qualified to do. It's none of us are but i just made the commitment and i stuck with it and the reason why i stuck with it was because my wife. She was very faithful in her walker and she was living a different way. And when we came together. I finally decided that i need deliver a different way and is taking me places that i could never imagine this. Probably the greatest job. I've ever had Because i get the really helped so many people are really be able to preach the gospel to a lot of people and and do a lot of great things. So it's pretty cool. I mean baseball was cool. But you know this is really cool when you travel the country and you see people that are hurting need help in the encouragement and really know that god has a really forgotten about them. He didn't forget about me. He will forget about you. Was there a low point or you said okay. Enough's enough or i've heard stories where they say. Well you guys told me. It was a low point. But i didn't realize it was was a point where you said okay. I can't do this anymore. Yeah there were some really low point. When i was living in south florida in tracy was my girlfriend and i was still using and she was cleaning and i. She was fully me out of dope house in south florida. You know shoot those fucking cracking in. I was like three million dollars in debt. And i just wanted to die. I said why to just leave me here. Let me die. She say well. God has a plan for usa unit. Godly me here is just. Let me die in there. She said just not that lucky. So i realized that you know got always have a plan of using people to help people and i guess that's why i'm on the platform because he's using me from where i came from to help so many people and to see so many people struggle like i have over the past few years especially young people with the opiates and heroin. Addiction has killed so many young people and to be able to go into schools and speak to kids in educate kids about the danger of drugs is has been a plus for me. I mean i want to cross you know. This nation to school went on for free. I didn't wanna die. Am i just wanted to really be able to educate our young people to importance in what can happen to their life. What's your message to them. Is it a look at me. I was down and out. And i turned it around. What do you tell the kids. Well my message is clearly to them. It can happen to anybody. It doesn't matter if you're rich poor black white It really doesn't matter if you make that decision to start picking up. I try to get the kids to understand that you know. Vaping is not cool. I asked him why why. Why do they star baby and they said because they see celebrities on it and i said vaping is not cool. 'cause you're gonna get some health problems and i try to educate them about. Don't start drinking. Don't start using any kinda peels drugs. Just because you're not feeling well goes through some type accounts and get some help. Get somebody that you can listen to you and can understand what you add instead of using ad because i try to get them to realize that once you start on that it's hard to get off of it and i've seen so many young kids they all dying from from eighteen to twenty five then outliving a dying. They're going pass Marijuana straight to hard drugs you know. And i think kids don't understand that is deadly and that you can die and i take a lot of times you know. We make it as a society that is okay. The you know it's okay. If you wanna use you know feel good to escape from reality is is not because they get addicted and they can't get off over a much of it. Is you get stuck with regret or shame in for you. You're such a public figure when you when something would happen bad. It's in every newspaper it's on tv. I would think that's part of the the hardest part of digging out is everyone's talking about internet's i just wondered. I always hear that. Shame or regret. Is that what addicts sometimes battle to to kind of stay strong and get asked wall a hard process when you have to go through like idea in the public. Is you know everybody has an opinion. And there's no clear understanding because everybody think well because you you're famous you rich. You have everything you should be well while money don't make you well inside and being famous is not going to save you from you know the troubles that are out there. They're real. it's a real society as real reality that we live in and the broken who you are ours real and i think a lot of times people don't recognize they think just because you've played major league baseball. You should be well because that's major league baseball. Don't make you well that. Just make you a baseball player. You know. I think a lot of people don't understand. There's only one person that can really make you. Well that could fill. The empty void on inside of us got himself. We search for so many other things to try to cleese us. Make us feel happy and it doesn't last last for a minute. You know and i realized that through throughout my time going through it in a public is but i could sit here and tell you. I'm glad i went through it in a public is because i became a better person on the outside. You know what they used to say and instead of what they saying today. A lotta guys. When i played when they heard that i was going into ministry i was going to be serving god. It was like yellow. See how long is last eighteen years. you know. and i haven't looked back. You know opinions always opinions and so matter of can you continue to move forward. And i been able to move forward through the whole process in and a lot of it has to do where i'm living in you too. I can tell you that being saint louis where in the mid west where it's quiet and people are are are so different so friendly here compared to where you had in the bigger cities you know california. New york is fast paced movement of people. Don't wanna see you well. And a lotta times in those places then they wanna kick you while you're down while you were a kid in your in new york and you're a star amid i am not giving you the excuse but if there was ever a recipe for disaster right you give a young kid a bunch of money and fame and I imagine as we've heard the stories. I mean it was pretty crazy right. And nobody's gonna tell. Darryl strawberry is add a line today raver. Try and slow you down. Because you're such a big star. Assume they're just sort of afraid even approach what they don't approach when you become a star like that in a place like that they just let you go and the reality is they know it could be deadly too at the same time. I'm quite sure frank. Cash into general manager. He did not want me coming up early. He did not want doc. Gooden coming up early because he looked at the fact that a lot. What a lot of people didn't understand as new york city know it's not you know. Seattle is not somewhere where it's quite where you can go play and play baseball. He knows the temptations real new york city and the expectations of you plan there. We're going to be real south. It was very challenging. You know but i you know i tell you what i got a chance to see guys really live. Right was gary caught in. mookie wilson. You know guys that had been in the big leagues for a very long time. And i admired him. I really want it what they had. But i just like i said before. I just didn't have the guts to be able to go and ask them. How did how did you get to a place where you can be a baseball player. But you live a simple life and you know. I think a lot of times. People were laughing at them in persecuted because they were drinking milk. Why everybody else drink alcohol. So i i wish i could have been drinking milk like them much. It's a funny. Because eric carter always got mocked for being you know the perfect guy or the the now like or a phony. But it really. It seemed like that was him. He was that guy. Did he ever say to you. Doc and you guys got you got a cool it man now. He never condemned anybody. He never just anybody. He always just kinda loved you you know. His expression was great loud to you that your life is far greater than baseball. That's what he used to tell me. He used to tell me that god was going to use me in my life. He says. because you're a good person and you may be going through a lot of things right now but he said i see god using you After your baseball career is going to be mighty so you know. I just really admire gary carter for who he was you know even in the midst of him smiling and people say why he was smiling all the time looking for the camera now he actually was he was free he was just a free person inside he for christ he didn't live for. You know being gary carter. Two major league baseball player. He loved his family. And you know he showed that in. Mookie wilson was a steinway. Two guys you know you. You see a team. That's that's pretty crazy and you see two guys in the middle of that. Plays a big part of it. They're totally different. Totally opposite of of everything else that everybody else's people always but you in doc gooden in that same sentence everything. That's unfair to both you guys. All daryl docker dock and darren granted you guys were making mistakes at the same time but you everything. That was unfair to both you. Guys assorted be lumped together. I think so to be lumped together. That was unfair. You know because we have two different personalities and re two different people nobody. Nobody's the same. We just had talent planning to new york at a young age. He was nineteen. I was twenty one. When i came to the big leagues and like i said i had it been somewhere else. They probably would have been a different story. Nobody would ever made the big fuss about it. Even though he's multitalented you know to be able to play at such a high level at the major league level but when you plan a place like new york the spotlight is on you. When you come to the ballpark got forty reporters in clubhouse you go somewhere else you got three you know. So could you have imagined. Excuse me imagine what that feeling like you know and you have to deal with that in. You came back and played at the end. Your career for the yankees. So what. what's the experience. Like on one side of town. Mets yankees and yet joe torry. There has got to be like a father. Figure up. sure you're winning. world series. Have different was your experience in new york at that point with the yankees. Whoa it's very at that time. You know because they didn't have to be a star anymore. I could just be a player. And i play a row and and a lot of times. I didn't have to play. And that would go on to enjoy tori. Always ask me how you feel. 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That's that's a pretty damned career. What do you think when you look back. Could there have been more. What could have been more. If i was healthy. You know but. I was broken before i ever put your uniform on which a lot of people don't understand you know with with the issues of my father and the rejection and the abuse in the house in alcoholic and coming home for the last time pulling out a shotgun said he was gonna kill the whole family when i was fourteen and had not been for my mother getting us out of the house. We probably would have killed him that night. So i always tell people paying led me to my greatness and my greatness would eventually me to my destructive behaviors show would could if i coulda shoulda you had a numbers could have been a lot better. You know there's always plays it comes to the big leagues that you see that. Have the potential to do. Great things will a numbers ever fulfilled the promises over their life. I believe i had a great career. I believe what happened in my career was supposed to happen because in the end it made me the man i am today. I'm doing such incredible credible great work as far greater than base. Wanna think people looking at the baseball stats. Instead of looking at the person that i became. Evangelist travel the country. Two hundred fifty times preaching in large churches in doing a lot of good things and you know helping young people get off drugs in in helping young people not to start on drugs. I think i think those things are more credible than me hitting a three run home or the ball off the same lowest crock. I just had to get that in there. I knew he was going to bring it up at some point. Yes he hit up the clock i would. I would have talk a little cards mets. It was such a fun era. But let's remind folks turn your season around how god can transform your life. Imagine they can find it online in bookstores and it seems to me like that would be for anybody at eighteen year old kid who struggling or a seventy year old grandpa. I would think this as we've seen this whole opioid epidemic hits ages. Yes i it's for everybody is for it's like more Discipleship to new show you how god can transform formula meteorite where you had to take all are in some places in life and none of us have it all together we try to believe that we have it all together but we don't at the end of the day you know and it just speaks to people is in a way meets us right in the midst of everything you think about it what we all been so we all been through a pandemic we were been to a nation racial issues and everything now who is gonna be able to transform and change us and make us better and in these times is surely not the people in the political arenas they don't even like each other so how can they help us. You know. that's the that's the thing we gotta look at you and there's only one person you know. They really cares about us in our deep deep hard times. Got himself in idaho clearly. I met him in my part time. I'm grateful for the grace. I'm grateful for the prayer President my mother had over my life and my wife helping me and bringing me back to the place that i am today to be able to do what i'm doing so tracy happened into your life. I guess we always look back at moments. Maybe god at a plan after all when you first met you probably know she was going to change your life. I had no idea. I had no idea got at center. And she would be the change of force from my life. Because i wasn't darrell. Strawberry major league baseball player. When i met her. I was three million dollars in debt. Didn't have a driver's license. That was in the midst of addiction and there was. She was caring for me because she saw everybody else. Hovering over me. Like i was a star and she thought it was sick and you know the guy need help and nobody really wants to help this guy they just wanna take pictures with him get autographs and and she thought it was just a sick freak show. You know that you know having all kinds of people just you know around in then. We became friends and little. Did i know we would end up being married and being on the road together doing what we don ministry in and helped so many people. Do you talk to former teammates is there. Were there any fences you had demand. Flares had differences with back in the day. Well not really. Because i former teammates you know a lot of them had different opinions about me. Once i changed my life you know and when we start going back to the reunions. They started to see that. I was different. You know i wasn't that same guy wasn't one of those guys that was gonna go hang out in the bars and drink and stuff like that and i wasn't going to be talking about the old stuff in nature respected that i don't consider myself any better than any of them. I made a decision that i wasn't going to live that way anymore and i and i hadn't lived that way in eighteen years and i think they still waiting to see if i'm going to return back. You really try to defy keith. Hernandez is inaccurate. Team that a myth or truth now is the truth. You know it was. It was about a disagreement you know wanted to report. It came and told me that he got into my business about me. I shouldn't be worrying about negotiate my contract right now spring training and then i just kinda got into own pitcher day you know but i tell you what i have. Nothing but respect for him. He taught me so much about the game of baseball. What incredible plan. I q that he had. He taught me how to hit. Left hand pitching. He taught me how to the other way. And i remember. I hit like fifteen home runs the other way and mostly because he taught me how to do that in wally bet and a guy that cartoon fans hated. I think you should. You're going to beat the little redneck up cardinal fan by the helped you with that one. I know they probably wanted to. I know he used to run a lot for. Loudini said a lot of things in the paper and and i'm quite sure you know i. I felt that way a few times to you know but he up. He was my teammate. I could tell you like this. You know in our clubhouse it was crazy at times once. We stepped on the field man. We've serious business you know. And you know any ball club you know. Have that at times in the clubhouse can be crazy time when you step on the field. Can you block that out. And i think we were really good at doing that. Being able to block the craziness of a we were out. I think whitey might have hated davey for awhile. Head us believe in that in player wise. We think khoja was number. What we might have boo'd you. But i think they kinda always liked the darrell strawberry. That player was hard not to like. But boy ho joe. I think whitey walked in once. We couldn't get one hundred. Rbi of the mean-spirited about between the teams did not true animosity. Yeah i think a lot of hatred there you know because the fact we had to go through each other and it wasn't anything personal you know far as as being a player but you know you had a different uniform on. We had a different uniform. All you know and we wanted to beat the cardinals. And i'm quite sure they felt the same way of about us. You know we we had to go through them also time and they had to come through us most of the time besides the cubs beating went in in eighty four. You know the cardinals in eighty five us in eighty six. And i believe cardozo back in the day. Broke out back in. Eighty seven. When terry terry pendleton hit that home. Run off her rather mcdonald's stadium straightaway center. So it's it's a lot. There's a lot there you know. I mean i mean. I liked the guys over there. I always liked. Ozzy always liked really loved. Willie well it was great. You know biscuit keep he was great I guess we just didn't like tommy hurt because he would always step in and out of the box you know and then take his helmet then curly hair back you know and we just thought well come on get in the box you know so but her tummy. Her had a great year where he didn't hit over. Five home runs or ten home rather thank and drove in one hundred grand so in. The car does a really good at what they did. He was a great manager Probably the best manager we played against you mentioned hitting the clock. and then you mentioned pendleton. Hit the apple out there that had to be one of the best will not for you guys but it was a regular season game late in the year when you guys played it felt like the playoffs and we don't have in a wildcard or visuals that those are basically like mini playoffs. Before when you to win the division and independent home. It was a regular season moment but around here. It almost has postseason lower. Yeah i it. It dropped us from there. You know. 'cause we we needed. We needed to beat them. And we knew that that was the only way we won't be able to get in like i said we didn't have a wildcard. It wasn't a another door open so you had to be beat the cardinals and they were they were team to beat you know and and i i just i just remember those games. Those games are always you know intense games. You know when you look across the field. It's like yeah. They wanted us and we wanted them. And you know it was a great battle. i. I think it was great for baseball. Just you know when you look at the announcers and they say when you look back in the days the best and the cardinals Those two teams. You know we're going to get at it and it was going to be some. It was gonna be some drama energy. No of somebody hitting a big home run whole joe. Maybe like hitting a big home run at busch stadium like teepee hit a home run and save stadium stuff like that and it was just a time of baseball. Baseball was fun. you know. We had a lot of respect for them. And i'm quite sure. They had a lot of respect for us in game. Six in eighty six world series is the buckner game. It's famous of course in boston. But in that game right. Johnson double switched you out which is crazy. 'cause you're bad in your glove. But so where were you. When all that went down i was in clubhouse clubhouse watching the game 'cause i got double sweats and i was really pissed off because i figured nobody gonna lose. I want to be on the field. You know with the team and everything and and it worked out. It worked out well for us. You know we we. We came through game sex. You know with two outs you know and just base it after bass hitting before you before you know was to play with billy buckner. Who was a great filter. You know who got a lot of credit for the player who was what outstanding play was. It was just that one play. You know trying to beat. Mookie wilson to the base and took his eye off the ball in the ball went under club. And we're gonna win game six. We still had to come back and win game seven and you get to go back whether it's thrown out a pitch at the new citi field or back to an old timers game at yankee stadium. I'm wondering now the adulation. The fans still love you like back then. It probably helped power some of the the bad decision. But i wonder now if it feels good like you've you've changed your life you've got a story to tell and they still love you. I would think it's a different kind of feeling now for you like you can. You're almost able to kind of get it whereas when you're a kid and it goes to your head and now does it feel good to go back and know they love you after everything that's happened because when you're a kid you don't get it you don't you don't understand it. You make so many stupid mistakes and when you go back now. The people just really appreciate me for who i am. You know a lot of people you know that. follow me. Appreciate me for who. I am not on the baseball eight at miami for my baseball skills and everything but they remind me for the manda becoming and the way i stand up and what's really important in life and i think that i think that's more important anything at the end of the day. That's what we really want to be. I'll end in with sinatra related question. Any regrets for darrow strategy. Look back no regrets regrets. I'm glad that i had all the broken pieces. And i was able to look up and look up the crossing find jesus and allow god's just transform our life and and become a great man of loving people and caring for others. You know at the end of the day is really not about us. It's who we can help. I live final final question. Tell me about st louis. What you like about it what. You were all very provincial. Here we love to hear we're secure about chicago and we always want to know if we compete with the big cities but we were a smaller. We're big small town. People have said what what are you like. Where do you go you and your wife do you get around it all nine. I just i just like to people. I like the way people are in the way they receive. You know any treat you. And they don't hover over anything like that in. And i just think it's a great great sports town. You know you got the cardinals here. You got the blues here you got you have enough just just as much as other big cities out and i think sometime you know big cities have too much and they stay open too long and what i like about saint louis. It closes down at a certain time in everybody's home. Turn your season around. How god can transform your life. It's the new book by darrell. Strawberry do great work around the country ministry work in now in for a few years now backing saint louis based here with his wife. Tracy daryl thanks so much for your ta all right. Thanks for really. Great to catch up with darrell strawberry for all of my friends and buddies around town who will text and this went on ten years ago that he moved away. Now daryl and his wife are back in town but they would say. I was just at the store. I was just at the mall. I thought i saw darrell strawberry. I mean he is very recognizable. The answer is yes. If you're walking around the saint louis area you're out and about you might actually see darrell strawberry kinda crazy. This mets legend cardinal rival. Now calling saint louis home. But i hope you enjoyed the visit. Make sure you're registered for. I tuned spotify. Wherever you get your podcast get signed up kilcoyne conversation. It'll get you all of them the segments we do with orlando pace the big osho once a week talking football with the rams legend hall of famer. We've been doing hanging with big wall keith. Kachuck from the hockey could chocks a couple of times a month. Also weekly barton and marlow my Tv colleague charlie marlowe so if you sign up with cocaine conversation you get all of those in their housed at scoops with danny mak. Dot com oliver visits can be found at scoops with danny mak dot com. Check out. All of the great counted that he has online as always thanks to our sponsors appliance discounters triad bank and marie davila senior living. I'm martin kilcoyne. 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Hour 3 - Scott Zolak and Tony Clark (07-02-20)
"You are listening to the Dan Patrick. Show on Fox sports radio. it's a disturbing trend, but it's happening. Students in Tuscaloosa Alabama, throwing parties to see who can get the corona virus. According to a report, students put money into a pot, and they are trying to get the corona virus. Whoever gets it first gets the pot. Congratulations. I hope it's not a trend. It is trending I. Hope this is not a trend. Final hour on this Thursday were down. Danette Paulie got an early start on his fourth of July weekend. We'll get phone. Calls also talk to Scott Zolak. He's a former NFL quarterback and the Patriots radio analysts get his thoughts on Patriots bringing in Cam Newton and also he heads up the end of the Baseball Players Association, Tony Clark will join us and. Todd said that when he was reaching out to the commissioner. Major League Baseball you mentioned to the PR department that we were having Tony Clark on the Players Association Executive Director did. And you think the Commissioner Lo and behold after several tries try to secure the commissioner. He was able to come on yesterday the day before Tony. Clark is okay and one thing should be pointed out in fairness to the commissioner because i. told you what my source had told me a couple of weeks ago once they locked in on sixty games, they were not budging off sixty games. The commissioner and the owners did offer up more games I think they went up to like seventy. Four Games wasn't always sixty games I was told when it got to sixty. No matter what the Players Association did, they were not budging, so I just want that to be mentioned that the commissioner and the owners did try to opt for more games. It just didn't work out, but once they got into sixty. They were locked in also the commissioner, saying there was initially a report that maybe four to six owners were interested in shutting down the season, and I was told one to two, and that's what the commissioner said yesterday. Eight seven seven three DP show email address sepia Dan. Patrick Dot Com. NFL, quarterback moves usually set off a chain reaction when you think about it at least public perception. Patriots bringing Cam Newton raise the question. About quarterbacking room. And now the AFC East is looking at New England. Differently Jared Stidham, not quite sure Cam Newton. We know what he wants was. Buffalo bills were going to be the team taking over the AFC east. They got a young quarterback Josh Allen and maybe up to the task. Athletic all the Armstrong. He looks like a younger version of Cam Newton. Sean McDermott was on the staff when Cam led the Patriots to the Super Bowl in two thousand fifteen, the head coach of the Buffalo Bills. And you know he's probably hoping that Josh. Allen is able to emulate Cam Newton. Sam darnold talented, but still unproven. Miami's got two of their. Cam Newton's made the AFC East a lot more interesting and he actually made the new, England, Patriots Cool, the question is how much is he going to play for that answer and more, we bring in the Patriots Radio Color Analyst. Scott Zinger back former Patriots quarterback. What was the reaction Scott when the Patriots Sign Cam Newton. Well I mean we. We had the greatest name to play the position for twenty years, and what he departs, and you're left with Brian Hoyer Jerry and I I like both those guys I know Brian really well. He's been here multiple times. And they go at stem last year to be the only got backup backup Tom Brady, so you lose the name, you'll lose the say ego I, think you lose at personality that leadership in the Locker Room and ban you hear Cam Newton's named after hearing not a single thing, three months three and a half months because of Covid I mean we really haven't had any sports to talk about. It's just teams. Come back. WHAT'S GOING TO BE PROTOCOL? The Man Will Cam Newton's namedrop. A lot of people got excited because Cam Newton really played well against US and a couple of games that he had against okay. Is he going to be the starter this year if you were going to gauge? You have to ask me. I'd say no given given an I. sit and it's not because he's. He's a bad. tastic. Transcendent Type Player I love watching him. Play I love call games against him. This offense here so predicated on timing and detail and I think that's why you had. The frustration were quarterbacks here last year because people weren't spots were expecting expecting to be, he wants to throw the ball into. Cam is a big play player, and when I say that. Seven steps is off the back foot weights. He waits to run around SORTA like Ben. He's very similar bed Rothlisberger, and he likes to push the ball downfield. This this'll opposite Harris. It's one two three yards out. Ataman than get the ball in the playmakers hands. I think the timing. Dan May hurt him the most. Because if you said okay, we got CAM BACK in March. And he had three months under normal circumstances where you had ta throwing camps being around all the guys in the locker room and it's a great locker. They won't race. For me, it looks like it's a two month trial team. And maybe it was bargain. I don't know that talk to anybody that if he doesn't get the job, I can't see cam sitting there on the sideline week to in Seattle with a clipboard baseball on backwards. That's just not who he is. He should be a starter. How good is still? Pretty good. It's pretty good. Very cerebral. Doesn't get rattled a lot of cut a lot of called a lot of preseason football games for this team over the years especially going back to Garoppolo and that's the one thing I compared to I don't care. I don't compare standing the Brady. Don't compare anybody to break. So I looked at what they gave Jimmy preseason. Wise a lot of it was basic power. I single tight to wide receivers for jared. Last year they threw the kitchen sink Adam and threw it out. Pretty good meeting. They went empty. Too, tight ends multiple sets three wide, four, wide, no backs and you know he handled. Everything directed everything traffic, wise with the hands on the road in Detroit. He throws the heck out of the same ball. Like to what Lake is delivery on the did cuts, and he doesn't flinch people hit him for and that's funny. Because he got shock robber now that last year he was there. Yeah, he's athletic. I. Think People you know they're looking at. Can you run the same offense for Cam that you do for stem vice versa? Do you think that's possible with New England? I. Think new. England was stood him. They keep probably eighty percent of their offense at it. Tweak it to help him and see what he does well. That's really really good. What Billy O'Brien and Josh. mcdaniels will done over the years they they really helped to quarterbacks. Flourish in what they do well instead of taking that square peg in a round hole and everybody on our talk. Show up here on. It's going to be great to get cam hair and you could put them in. A wildcat set, you can run them. There's a reason banged up and that's from running around getting outside the pocket. You know he's so big I mean. He's listed at six six to forty on that he's to seventy five man, this kid, rock and defensive teams with tee off on if I'm bringing Cam Newton in I wanNA, keep them in a pocket to protect him, and I want to know he's open to being coached by Josh mcdaniels meaning. It's hard to strip guy down mechanically after nine ten years. Where does things a certain way to drop the ball, but seat the ball in the chest and you hit that this snap and get rid of it. Is Open to that and he's going to have a pretty good shot. Win a starting job here. Yeah, I just don't know if you can change him Scott. Because the reason why bring in Cam is I, want him to be cam it. I can't say hey, come on in, and let's be a pocket passer. It defeats the purpose of bringing in Cam Newton. He's not good enough to be just a pocket passer. And, that's why go with the. Stem damage. That's exactly the way I think to. You saw he's not bio. Obviously Kansas phenomenal player. We had Tibo camp here for a while, and it was just. Frustrating watching them, try and work within mechanically like the short leg short the spread of the Comoro over the top and less like a baseball player. He's thrown on. It looks like he was thrown paint cans out there. because. Got Brady company a boom that ball spock. Garoppolo Zing Zang. Percent we see some pretty good guys over the years He's the Patriots. Raider radio color analyst. Former Patriots quarterback Scott. Zolak, what happened first Bella check decided he didn't want Brady back or Brady decided that he wanted to go out. In his own style, having fun. It seems like this was Tom's decision based on what we think was Howard Stern. He told that right. What stern asked him. When did you know you're out of new? England Andy said probably before probably the summer before last year there so to put a timetable on it there, and that's really what the Goshi to not have that franchise tag so to me. That's where he calls the shots and. Bills fine when it to. Bill Bill's always said I'd rather uploaded quarterback Tom Brady. Twenty years is a long time in any business in any marriage in any relationship. You'll never see that again. I'm sure we'll never see that again. As can be because they still have a good football team. Here and expectations are still very high. But our schedules extremely difficult. The team hasn't been practicing was much as we know. Some guys are still working out. A short preseason. It's weird year we have football. What would you say to the Seattle Seahawks Fan so I saw Russell Wilson working out with Antonio, Brown, he, of course had. A cameo with the Patriots. Well, would you say in regards to in Tonio Brown in Seattle? If this things right up top. had. He's the. He's the greatest receiver in a lake is. The best is that? Game when he was again when he was in Pittsburgh to watch separate, watch us his body on the law on Baltic to accelerate, decelerate to create space the kick return game these explosives and watch them here in practice break, guys, legs, and just the fetus feeder so quick. It's a shame. It's a shame. The Sky hasn't played football in two years because I think when he's right, he's a dozen the league. It's good to see now. That's not a Tampa color shirt that you have on is certainly not patriots their Scott my last day. We tried to do this show yesterday. My last day was working. Real studios show a golf shirt to Greg, Norman, Ole Golf Shirt and play like an old man alone to play golf after this right now, but it seems like that's an Obama to Tom like you're sending a message to Tom Right now while not sending a message to Tom Right now. My Man. Tom Brady. Thank you Scott are Dan. Take care. Buddy great great for. Scott Zolak and throwing paint cans. Ben You WanNa talk about a description I've never heard that Tim Tebow looks like he's throwing paint cans. They were trying to mess with his his arm. Make him a little bit more fluid there. S, maybe laugh. There's also a report that Tom Brady has been staying in touch with Antonio Brown I. Don't know if that means anything. Other than Brady is trying to help him mentor him a little bit but i. did see the video where Antonio. Brown was working out with Russell Wilson and. Now, he could definitely find a home in Seattle, they'd love to have him in Seattle with Russ but. I can't imagine that. Is this a sign? The buccaneers go. Hey, we're. We need to bring in Antonio Brown. Because you have already have to good wipe, you have a great wide receiver, and you have an emerging very good wide receiver. Evans is Great Godwin is very good. and. You WanNa. Keep everybody happy. Here's the big problem that you find with quarterbacks. Normally, it's a younger quarterback and you saw this with Baker Mayfield last year when you bring in an establish wide receiver, a big name personality. They want the ball. They WANNA know why they're not getting the ball Antonio. Brown wants to show everybody that he can still play. He's not going to go to Tampa to be forty reception guy. He's GonNa. Go there wanting to be a star. If that is even a possibility, which I would be really surprised that it was now brady may say Bruce. Arians I can manage him. Brady can manage. The problem is Antonio. Brown can't manage Antonio Brown? That's the wild card in all of this. But if I'm bringing him in how many times he come back to the huddle and say hey, Tom. I need my touches. Because that's what wide receivers do now. You do have Brady saying? Hey shut up listen to me, Baker. Mayfield couldn't do that to Odeal Beckham and I thought it became obvious when I watched the browns. He didn't have his rookie year. You spread the wealth. They got Beckham I didn't think he was the right guy for Baker. Mayfield because he's a personality, he wants to show the giants. They made a mistake. He wants to show that he's just as good as the breast De'andre, Hopkins. Michael Thomas. My Kevin. I'm every bit the wide receiver. Those guys are well. The only way that happens is if i. get you the football. And that's why I didn't think that it was the right person to bring in for Baker Mayfield. Even Jarvis Landry is is established. You need to get the these players who grow up with Baker Mayfield, and therefore they're on the same level, but if Tom Brady wants to bring in Antonio, Brown, it's one thing to manage him on the field. My concern is off the field. I couple of phone calls here. Brenton. Connecticut joins US Good Morning. Brentwood he have for me? Hey Dan first time long time five, ten, one, seventy five. Just wanted to pass along. What I think is the second best NHL nickname ever in that's Maurice, the rocket Rashard okay. Sorry I'm I'm good with. That can't argue with that career, wasn't he? The fastest fifty goals before Gretzky. Gretzky did it in less than fifty games. Maybe forty eight games something like that. Maurice the rocket Rashard, Aaron in Indiana, Jones hiring. What do you have for me today? Thanks so much Dan. You're welcome here. Cardinals based. Cardinal Baseball Whitey her saw. The white rats. That brings back. Bad memories though Aaron. Thank you. Thanks for the phone call. I don't feel like talking anymore. Oh, man! How did that go wrong? We were promoting a book, and he didn't want to talk about like drugs with the players, but even the press release itself, and the PR people were encouraging us to talk about those stories about what was going on in the cardinals clubhouse, and all of a sudden, it went very sideways. Because wrote I think the foreword for this book about the Cardinals Baseball and They'll back when Whitey Herzog was managing the cardinals, and they were built on speed. and. But they you know he was also there with the drug culture. They got Keith Hernandez. Keith gone. His issues great player former MVP. And the press release comes out 'cause Todd said. Do you WanNa? Have Whitey Herzog on I go I. Don't think so, and so he says well look at the press release. Press releases. Talk about Whitey is willing to talk about cocaine nine bill. What some great quotes! Have Mind Yeah I. Go all right so I had him on. And I figure. I ran I got a couple of money questions. I'm going to wait a little bit before I get to those. And then the interview wasn't going that will. I brought up the so called money questions and he basically shut me down. Just said I I'M NOT GONNA. Listen to this anymore. And I'm thinking. How do you have a press release? That's encouraging me to ask about these sensitive topics. I didn't I didn't blame you for that one because I read it with my own eyes, so. I feel like talking on Brexit I know and like he didn't even get off the whole sentence. He trailed off and Click. Yes, see I have like two. It's two forty. I haven't been able to listen to the whole thing, but you start with Keith Hernandez. We have to. Start, the interview or this clip in an now? Sorry yet the CL-, good. Yeah, no! Clip that I have started with Keith Hernandez so my point in mentioning that is I know the clip is long. It's two minutes and forty two seconds long, but it sounds like we get right to the cars that you're referring to okay i. let me take a break. Because I'M GONNA. I'm GonNA talk to Tony. Clark the head of Baseball Players Association get his thoughts on the interview with the Commissioner Baseball yesterday. Then we'll do I. Somebody needs to listen to that because we're almost going into. The traeger grill and you. We're going to go into our weekend here and I don't want to go in and be all bummed out after my Whitey Herzog okay yeah I'll listen to. What would you bummed out? He was routine. I know but I. It's like when we do the Tonya harding interview like. Again that nothing to do with she got all sensitive I know voice town. You harder doesn't bring up anything about Medicare. That might not talk about biting. Evander Holyfield during. When she said that and she she's handing it to her manager going on. No positive where got bring up and I go I'm doing an interview here, Paul. Wants Talk Boxing. Out On make a skeptical of my boxing career thinking. She just said I'm not gonNA. Make a skeptical. My poxy career while making a skeptical. Bring. A whole knee. I. I'M GONNA. Take a break here. That one that one was tough because it's live radio. And then you're trying to I'm trying to be respectful, but I'm also a little angry that you know. This guy jumps on the phone I'm going to get off the phone I'm not GonNa make skeptical. Out That ever happened to you with someone. Guest handed the phone to someone else while you're in the middle of an. It's just unbelievable skeptical. Going to make a skeptical, my concur. We'll take a break here last. Call for phone calls coming up as well in the final half hour. What we learn all those great things and we'll take a break. We'll talk to Tony Clark of the Baseball Players Association after this, it's twenty after the hour. You're listening to the Dan Patrick Show. 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They were not budging on sixty, so in fairness to the commissioner that I think they went up to seventy four but sixty games. I was told they were locked in on that and the commissioner validate that when he joined us, let's bring in Tony Clark who went toe to toe with the Commissioner for the last couple of months on this. Tony, how you feeling today as we get training, camps started or restarted. Their Good Morning Dan. excited excited to have the guys back in camp, or even though we have the challenges that we do, but excited to have have the guys back doing what they love doing. What did you make the commissioner? Validating what I had been told that once they got settled on sixty with ownership that they weren't budging off sixty games. The decision that they decided to make I think throughout the process We highlighted the interest in playing as many games as possible from start to finish. And maintain that position, but it appears that their interests were a little bit different particularly as things. Progress toward! Toward where we land. What was the main reason for this long to get something done? I think that the interest from the other side appeared to be that sixty games despite having made the proposals that they made earlier in other words. From start to finish there was an interest in a a certain amount of money being spent against the backdrop of of a particular number of games, being played so that conversation span the two months that it did in the fashion netted did. I know that that's that's a large part of what we focused on the back, and forth, and having covered strikes and lockouts I never worried about the negotiations I figured they would always get settled. It's not a pretty picture for either side here, but I worry about the safety guidelines here Tony of just being able to play baseball, and everybody was talking about the money and games and I said. Can we actually pull this off? How confident are you? Will have, sixty sixty game season. To be clear that the other side was the one talking about money. We ended up this. Conversation our focus was the health and safety to your point. guys recognize that we're an unprecedented times, and and the the protocols are going to be in processes are going to be much different than anything they've experienced before, and so it is challenging and everybody's got a role to play not just on the field off. The field and guys understand that, so we're. We're hopeful. particularly as guys arrived into camp. As we speak that they can get comfortable with those protocols that their families, all involved can be comfortable with those protocols, and then do our to to make sure that we're able to keep everyone healthy as healthy as possible in play many games. Do you take it personally. What happens with the negotiations with the commissioner? No no at the end of our day. our responsibility. My responsibility is fairly simple. And that is making sure to protect in advance the interests of our players of our members. So No, it doesn't doesn't end up being personal obviously as a player former player. I guess I should say my love. And Passion for the game remain so that's that's not going to change Sean, but our role and responsibility is pretty consistent, but you know these players are gonNA. They took this personally and that next collective bargaining agreement Tony. It's GONNA be. It's GONNA be ugly. There there are there are a lot of predictions in an. Open ended questions. At this point, we'll have to see how things progress but I think as much as anything. When the game is attacked to Witton. When players are attacked when? Their Union is attacked Sure there are personal interests that become a part of that conversation, but we're. We're still a little ways away. Guys is is were opened I think it was a bit of a up call these last couple of months with the challenges that we needed to work through, but we'll see how those negotiations Go here moving forward. What about black lives matter with the players? Anything planned. Well. Needless to say, it's very personal issue for me. It's very personal issue for our players and so There is nothing scheduled at this point in time, but there is a lot of dialogue that is happening behind the scenes both with our players, and eventually as we anticipate with with the League as well. We were talking baseball and Don Mattingley was on the first hour, and it's amazing how you guys recall the inning or the pitch. It's amazing whether it's John smoltz, talking about facing bonds, or it's mattingly facing Roger Clemens and he's telling you the count. The pitches like everything. You have a moment because people should know that you played baseball for a long period of time, but is there one of those moments where? You kind of go back to you. It was a it was a great magical moment for you. Will I. I have a number of them. It's it's hard to highlight one, but I'll offer this initial one which was. My first big league game so as you mentioned. I was fortunate to have played over the course of. Fifteen seasons in the in the big leagues in a number of years in the minor leagues and at aspirations even when I was younger, playing professional basketball, but My very first day in the big leagues, playing for Sparky Anderson looking to my left, and saying Lou Whitaker and and and Alan Trammell looking to my right. and seeing Cecil fielder who took me under his wing when I got there that very first game and each of the at bats. Struck up. My I bet I struck out my second button. hit a ground ball. The second, my third at baton was excited. Actually have put the ball in play and Then my fourth bat got my first hit awfully. got my second Bat Mike. Our second get in my fifth a bad off Jose Mason. You'll probably recall as as a baseball fan yourself that. In the mid-nineties, those those Cleveland Indians teams were, were something special so that that very first game, and and having opportunity to step on the field, where where a number of the greats did including alkaline was somebody I leaned on as well I. It's just A. It's something that I'll never forget. Well. You probably got some bullet holes there a bleeding a little bit from those negotiations, but you know you you live to see another day. Hopefully we get sixty games season. I'm not as optimistic, but I'm hopeful, but. Maybe. We get it and I. Wish you locked Tony Because I, know what those negotiations are going to be like I it, you know. Going, to be rough going to be rough, I appreciate and there's there's a lot that we're going to have to work through a lot of concerns with respect to where game is and where it's going, so will be diligent and we'll. We'll grind through it. Thank you, Tony. Thank you Tony Clark the executive. Director of the Baseball Players Association, but I JUST WANNA. Make mention that it felt like yesterday with the commissioner that we're talking about sixty games and they weren't locked on sixty, but once they did get locked. I was told they were not budging off sixty games because they knew what the start and finish date was. And they were worried about another that second wave of the corona virus, and they wanted to get the world series over before the second wave came back. And the Commissioner acknowledge that that was true, but he did say. You Know Hey. We offered up to seventy four games. This so baseball got wounded again. And we keep saying it's resilient. All baseball always come back. Know, at some point, it just doesn't come back because you still have an older generation. Your fan base is the oldest fan base of any of the major sports. And after a while when you lose that fan base, and then a younger fan base comes along, they may not have any interest in baseball. They may not have any attachment to it. And that's going to be a real troubling. Time and baseball just signed up kneeling extended their deal with TBS. postseason rights big money. But? I'm doubtful. I'm doubtful. What happens after next season because these players are going to be out for blood? Absolutely. And I know Tony Clark may take it personally. I don't know how you don't. But these players are going to take it personally. And I think that I think the sport is. Going to hit a couple of potholes again. We look at these sports and we say well. They're resilient. Boxing and horseracing used to be the biggest sports back in the twenties thirties forties fifties. Boxing horse-racing not so much. And I think that that's what you have to be careful of of you. No longer relevant and I think that that. Teams want to be relevant. Sports WANNA be relevant. How do you stay relevant? And Baseball to me. Is Not in the twenty first century. Just doesn't feel that way. Now, the season's too excited about sixty games if they get the sixty in then I would be if there were one sixty two. I WanNa game to mean something. Instead of Hey, we lost seven in a row, no big deal out of it. I like that there's a little bit more drama tension of frenetic pace to this. And maybe more people tune in to look and watch and acknowledge some of these great players. Like, I'm excited. See Shohei Otani be a two player again. mookie Betts in dodger like there's so many of these players who are really special, but if you don't love the game, appreciate the Game I. Watch Hockey Games before in, somebody will say. I had hockey guy. Peter Forsberg watching. Amuse Best Player in the sport. Now I'd watch him I'd go. Get it. But. They're looking at him differently than I am if you don't know what you're looking for. You'RE GONNA miss it with Major League Baseball. And Major League Baseball is swing. Miss Swing hit a home. Run no movement whatsoever. And it didn't dawn on me until I went to a game in person with my family. And I realized there's nothing for them to watch. Nothing's going on. It's a pitcher taking forever a hitter taking forever a pitcher throwing it by said Hitter, and then that hitter, waiting to try to hit a home run. That's it. I wouldn't be interested in that. If I was twenty, twenty, five thirty. Fifteen. And that's it is so important for baseball to do the following get. Kids into the ballpark get families. Let them afford it, so they can go in and experience it. Because if you don't experience it, you watching it. And that's the best way to go there. So you hear that sound you smell. The smells at a ballpark. And battle practice like just those things that. Are. GonNa. Leave a mark they're. They're going to leave an indelible. Mark there your memory like wow I remember when. Or that was fun or that. That was great. I think a lot of this of an older generation had experienced them. And there's a new generation. Just isn't interested. And Mom and dad can't afford to take you to the ballpark. We'll take a break last. Call for phone calls. Close Up Shop Right after this Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch US live every weekday morning nine until noon, eastern nine Pacific on Fox, sports radio, and you can find us on the iheartradio APP at Fsr, or stream it live every day at Youtube. Dot Com slash the Dan. Patrick Show I I'm Barrington Day Thurston. I'm a rider activist in comedian. I wrote a book called how to be Black, gave a Ted. Talk about white people call the cops on black people for no good reason, and I feel like we're having a moment in the US right now. You probably feel as to. When Office Derek shot and killed George Floyd something in America broke. Where this Moma goes, we can't say yet, but right now. Something big is happening involving race and in particular policing. So I'm going to try to explain it. From the covid connection to WHO's allowed to protest to what de-fund the police actually means. When Mitt Romney the man who tried to keep Barack Obama's second term away from US joins. The black lives matter March. When Nascar vans the confederate flag when Donald Trump of all people encourages cops not to choke people. We're having a moment. You can listen to. We're having a moment on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts and wherever you get your podcast. Close up shop as we always do. We'll be off tomorrow and all next week, but our thanks to this audience staying with us through these last couple of months. I know it's an unusual fourth of July for everybody. We're used to watching baseball barbecuing swimming at the local pool fireworks having beers with the boys. And a lot of that has been limited, which actually might provide an opportunity to think about what the holiday is supposed to mean? We really lose track of what some of these holidays are supposed to me. It's supposed to represent the best of our country spirit when you think about how we came together under the idea that all men are created equal with the unalienable rights to life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and it's twenty twenty, and hopefully we all recognize all men has to mean all people you hear these slogans. Tomatoes were all in this together, and the news might not be good or always go to fit our specific ideologies, but Independence Day is about hope and there's so much to be proud of this weekend. I'd love to be celebrating Burgers. Beers watching baseball, seeing my friends, but. Can't do it, but I'm glad to take a few moments to reflect on what fourth of July really means to all of us here on the Dan Patrick Show and as we move forward here. It's been a long run without sports. And it starts to filter back. Hopefully it comes back and we can survive this. We can get through this and I. Look I. do take it personally. People do respond and say. Why are you so negative I? Just WanNa. Be Realistic. That's all I've ever tried to do in this job is just. Honest with you. Might not be what you want to hear, but I'm just trying to be realistic with all of this. You can't hope for something and it magically magically happens I have hope and optimism that doesn't mean anything at all, but we have the groundwork the framework here to have some sports coming back, and if everybody does their job whether you're in those sports or outside of those sports. Maybe we can pull this off. But I do think that you're going to have at least one league that will not be completed. I just think you play the odds here in. That's not the case. We did hear from University of Tennessee yesterday. And I'd ask their head coach Jeremy Pruitt. How many positive tests had they had? And he said zero. and. I, you know I voice skepticism because I'm just looking at the the numbers, the percentages it's usually about five percent. You have of Corona parties at Alabama. That's trending now where they want to see who can get the virus I. Maybe, Tennessee doesn't have any positive test I hope they don't but I I don't know if a coach. Is obligated to tell you the truth. And I don't know Jeremy Pruitt. If he's telling me, they zero. Okay, all believe you. But I'm I'm very suspicious about that. Lamb can't help it. All right this day in sports history with Paulie, not being here. Todd says he'll do. The honor got some good ones here. In one thousand, nine hundred three Washington senators leftfielder Ed. Delahunt drowned falling into the Niagara River was kicked off a train after drunkenly threatening passengers with a straight razor body found at the bottom of Niagara. Falls, little depressing. We'll make it a more positive, little depressing. Good ones yeah that was this guy found at the bottom of a little different, but now nineteen thirty three giants, Pitcher Carl Hubbell, eighteen innings of shutout ball that walked beat the cardinals, one nothing nineteen fifty Indians pitcher Bob Feller wins his two hundred Major League baseball game. Nine, hundred, sixty three was one marriage allegations Warren spahn Willie. mays ended the game with the sixteenth inning. Home. Run two more quick ones. Wimbledon men's tennis swings Beyond Board Beats Jimmy. Connors in five sets for the second of his five consecutive Wimbledon titles and two thousand thirteen seven years ago, reds pitcher homer Bailey no, the giants, and Cincinnati, his second, no hitter in ten months. Thank you time. We have had a couple of people who ask how. How many sentences can you read without taking a breath and I said I don't know it's a Brooklyn thing. We talk very fast. It can be quite a few, though because I've had the pleasure of recording todd. Doing commercials yeah, the show and he could get moving for sure. It's a little too late in the show the to actually try this out. See How many sentences that you can rattle off without taking Brown. You might want to spend the last four minutes of two more entertaining than that. I don't know that sounds like it could be pretty entertaining. Got What we learned that anybody, but there may be a little too soon for that. Kind of go at your own pace. Thank you John. John Do you think that you have to get in everything in one breath because I'm gonNA. Cut You off. If I led you to this. Not I don't think so. It's just that I'm just hyper, and I just talk fast and trying to be I'm trying to get back to you. Whoever tunes into here mainly and not spend too much time taking up the airwaves, so say what I have to say, and if it's a lot quicker so that you can. Do your part, thank you. You're welcome you the host. Thank you Josh in Massachusetts Josh. What do you have for me? Hey, man! How are you good? Good good good. Five eleven one seventy five. Aka Pop squats and chat row, longtime listener pre qualcomm honoring, and I got that I. think that's GonNa blow your mind Whoa okay. So dated my wife for ten years before we got married. We're married three years now and we have our first baby do next week, awesome! Yeah some good for you heard you lose your mind at five years, I said well. That's time two. Things about that aright. Moves at their own pace. I was just talking about if my daughters were dating somebody for five years. It's different when you have daughters because you wanNA protect them as much as you can. From creepy guys out there. TALKING ABOUT UTAH. Shocking Yeah fill in. Indiana fill. Then always a pleasure. You're the best in the business. Funny Real Quick, I've got a nickname. As a result of your show I still have two very good friends. Don't call me fill the show killer. Thanks to you. Well Congratulations Phil, I think. Aaron in Ohio Aaron. ADP. Thank you third time. Longtime extreme twenty I grew up around saying this pains me but I have never heard anyone. Say the name Joe Green. It's just mean Joe Greene his first name. Mean Joe, yeah. You're right. Thank you. And Mean Joe Greene was really mean back when the stuff that he would do. LEAD SPIT on people. Kick. Because and plus the steelers were losing back then. Mean Joe Greene. If you're looking at transcendent players for an organization. It's means you'll green for the steelers. Because he was great, and they were bad now they got bradshaw and they were still bad. Then they were really good at drafting people, but mean Joe Greene took them from being really bad, and he walked out of camp. He was going to quit. Tired losing. But I mean show green. When you think of the steelers, that's you should think of. Let's go around the room and what we learned on the program. Todd. John, mattingly, who, kind of like Patrick Swayze, collected memorabilia from other place, he really liked such as George Brenton Jim Rice bears little longer, and I told him I said you look a little bit like Patrick swayze and he said when he was playing for the Yankees. Their Equipment Guy said that he he looked like Patrick. SWAYZE mclovin Scott Zolak. Patriots broadcast can probably won't start week one. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. because. I think it's important to have a backup quarterback more important this year than any other year because a depth and if the Patriots Their playoff team which I'm sure they do. You got stood him in there, and it's nice to have a security blanket with Cam Newton, but I don't think it's a given. That Cam goes in there and starts. See O'Connor Tim tebow throwing paint cans. That's great. That's a great description by Scott Zolak, what we learned brought to you by Legalzoom, Start Online and network of independent attorneys. 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Jack Clark on famous HR anniversary
"Time. The winning during storing suggestion with two out and Jack Clark coming up. Meanwhile, in reading short a darn about walk him and to that blank blank band flight. That's what he gets muttered. In the DUGOUT. Do I, walk in and Pitcher that gone ta Jack Black in time maybe you're gonNA have to have. A ball game on the line and the crowd on it. One way or another what a weight in. The. Got The. Bad. Guy. Walk. Vince Kelly and he said, should I pitch to that so and so well, he did and he got burned in that. So and so joins me now and that's Jack Clark one of the great sluggers ever in cardinals history and it came with two outs in a three-run blast off a Tom need fewer and it's the anniversary of that historic homerun in cardinals. History Jack it's always great to hear your voice. Hopefully you're safe you're healthy, and let's relive that famous moment in cardinal history but first of all, how you doing Jack I young great. I'm doing I'm doing really great i. feel really good. I've been really making sure I've got all my any health issues or anything just medically and just. Feel. Good and then unbelievably I'm in good really good shape. You know I don't have any problems you know. So after a motorcycle accident concussion and everything else in knee replacements and all that besides little high cholesterol I'm really good shape so I guess I'm GonNa live for a little bit longer man that's good news it's good to hear your voice. We don't hear it now here in. Saint Louis. will get hit a home run in just a moment. What are you up to these days? Where where are you at what? What's keeping you busy? Kirkwood Kirkwood Missouri I was out in California for about a year and a half and in Carmel and then A son-in-law job with the padres, and so we moved back to help my daughter He asked me and I said, well, you gotta take it. You never been in the big leagues and it was like the little two days before spring training, they flew them up to Seattle for spring training, Games then they took them to San Diego for open days. Left handed was the left-handed pitcher with the rockies but. The ever made it was AAA. It was on the forty man roster at one time calling young anyhow. So it's really good batting somebody gave him his name. He asked me because you know he's going to be away from his family and I kind of told message. Just you gotTA. Do you gotta experience see what it's liked and you've always wanted to be this is your shot and he did and so we went back to help out a little bit and as soon as that was over that came right back to Missouri and one Kirkwood been here ever since and looking for a house to be honest. With, me and my wife, we're GONNA look we're looking here but we're also looking at Columbia also you don't split the doing between here in Kansas City and there's some new construction different building gone on there that we liked and some builders. So we're looking around Gotcha Jack take me back to that moment in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty five, and then set it up I'm sure you've seen it a million times, but he said, should I pitch to that so and so van Slyke is on deck he decides to pitch to you were you surprised that he decided to pitch to you in that spot Not, really the reason why this all the years with the giants and all the failure know the dodgers winning and and and the years where the giants we were always last place. But that was had used in the big red machine and that division the dodgers and we just never could competing I was coming up. I always wanted to be a a giant that competed and try to bring that championship the candlestick. Park. In San Francisco since. They moved out from New York. But you know the dodgers were very successful and we weren't they had good weather. We had you know the weather in San Summer Summertime wintertime also it this was bad and we weren't very good. You know so was frustrating but so that's situation come up a lot of times against the bad team. I don't necessarily they looked at me particularly, but it was just kind of like they were the dodgers. Started with always be in the paper. The next day I went up to you know I is it went up to bobby well to whoever and talked, and he's you know and he wanted them which was music he wanted to come out and they don Sutton they would climb the ladder and our chase those pitches I take my rips but I never really connected in anything that too much damage tech Burton Hooton deep a few times couple bombs and but we still lost the Games you know. So just it was irrelevant that I got a hit or hit a home run. So even though I was what Cardinal, I still had the lot of deep anger against the dodgers and. Hatred and bitterness. Them beaten us all the time and just wanted to even that score was. Glad to be in that situation but that come up so many times before I knew what Lasorda was going to do because it was the same type of thing he had always done come after me get ahead of me try to climb the ladder give me because he had struck had struck out before that on pitches that were up in the zone they did the same type of thing again. So I think they thought they could get away with that again because they had done it so many other times and but I was I was. I was swinging the bat is well as I ever have in that series against the dodgers. and. I felt really good. I didn't feel like anybody could get me out. I didn't feel like anyone of their pitchers could get me out feel like Nando Valenzuela with screwball or. With a sinker or anybody else who through hard dense could get me out then because I was taken that screw ball to right field for rip I just felt that was very dangerous in our team was very dangerous at that time and hungry and better than them I believe too so. I was glad to be in in that situation. But when I was on deck I really only was thinking about my guru hitting coach in San Francisco whenever I wasn't a slump or whatever. But he always told me just be ready for fastballs which hang our be ready for fastballs and tips dissipated strike and he used to tell me tell all of us in in Instructional League or wherever we were at spring training you know be ready for fastballs anticipates strikes get your. Three good swings you know once you once you do that, you get your three good things. You've had a good at bat and then just battle from there, but do not get cheated and that was kind of the giant way. The giant way was not like the dodgers wasn't about pitching and defense. It was more about trying to made and Jim Ray Hart, Sleep Lou and mccovey and bonds. You know score my runs, Scarlett runs and the other thing outscore them and that was. and. So they didn't work a of the little little details like stealing basis and those type of things that maze obviously stole basis and bonds and those guys talking about Bobby Bonds. But you know the other guys you're kind of on your own. So I just thought about I was very relaxed on deck feeling good about our team about. I always believed I always felt good everyday come to the Ballpark with Jack Block. I always felt very good with red. Cheney's Whitey Herzog. Owned by Anheuser, Busch and Gussie I need my dog dusty. I got a I got a big bathrooms, names, gusts. So named after Gussie, because it was just a family and they brought me from last place to first place and I was having so much fun playing even from way back in spring training when I was a rightfielder and wide, he brought me first base and then he said if you don't like it, I'll get you there and I told him I didn't like it all you look like a natural. State a couple more weeks has started a couple more reasons. You don't like I told him I. Don't like it go back the outfield along platoon three guys still me what if you stay there you look like a natural I know you've played third base with the giants a little bit. If you don't like by the All Star break they'll get you out of there. We'll ended up loving because I had. Such a first row seats if you WANNA. Call it that with Tommy. Her obviously ozzy every day and Terry Pendleton, which was like ozzy at third and yet Coleman left Willie Incentive McGee and advance like and land platooning outright field and it was. It was nice to we went to spring training and I got the spring training when I first got there in and I noticed. That eighty five but it Kinda does you know the first thing I heard when I got there is like, well, we were gonNA come in last place the Saint Louis Cardinals and Whitey was going to be the first manager fired and it pissed me off you know as like a really and all. The big bad mets are GonNa just dominate you know and everything else. Okay. But I remember Ozzy coming to me because I hadn't seemed call me and way to you see this guy and when he got there. That song, the heat is on it was on. Because then then things that I had learned with the giants and playing for with for under Joe Morgan who came from the big red machine things that he taught me by the way I know he was a very good friend of mine as really sad to hear about his passing the other debt love Joe, and he was the most important and influential person in my. Baseball life and career coming from San Francisco played there. He helped me. He showed me what it was like the biggest compliment. He ever gave me even years later when I was doing some radio and I did his radio show number time. So the best compliment Jack I give you. You could have been on the big red machine while and I'll because he always said everybody should have opportunity to play with sparky Anderson for Pete. Rose. That was him saying that and the things he told me what he would do with Johnny, bench and twenty and give them signs. And it was really helped me and that home run I ended up hitting against the dodgers was with Joe Morgan Bat. That M to fifty three is joe mortgage mouth that Emma's for Morgan to fifty three. That's his personal bet thirty, four, thirty, two, I'm six, three he's five, nine, five ten but the way I hit close. I. Started using that Bat and it was like a piece of pipe and I use that from the rest of my career so George will forever live even Cardinal Memories I gotTa do is go to the Cardinal Hall. Of Fame and you'll see that bad in there that M to fifty three will just you know say a little prayer for you know Jomo Joe Morgan up in heaven and that wouldn't be there without what he taught me also about about hitting and about the game and I mean stupid little things the way the way he hit off a t he would put the t way out in front of on is he put herself out as little as your have you read it but the way he would do it then he taught me that. I became a guy with cardinals that would walk hundred plus times, and you know was was ready for certain pitches that had learned from Hank Sauer became that slugger that I think the giants always was hoping that it was going to be the giants were mad at me 'cause I had knee surgery and eighty, four and. To be honest with you, they want me to come back like the last two weeks and I did because. We were in last place I wanted to seal it up but I guess they felt like that was unacceptable. They traded me. Thank goodness. Why'd you? Brought me over here and traded few guys for me and it was a blessing in disguise share. It and that's short period. When I'm on Dick I'm thinking about Hank Sauer I'm feel uncomfortable I got my my my favorite bat my hand from my but t make the top me the most about and I was so relaxed. But I was I wanted a piece of whoever I did trust the SORTA I thought maybe social might with first base open my stand up. And then try to sit back down and get a quick strike or just try to get my head or some-. I knew I didn't have to hit a home run to get us the lead at speed on the basis was willy and Ozzy I know they were gonNA score on on a single so I just had to. Keep my same approach with his be ready for fastballs anticipate strikes I. Don't know what they're gonNA do but it doesn't matter. It's Tommy lasorda against me it's the dodgers against all those years with the giants against. SORTA against Whitey Herzog, it's our speed against them. It's two teams with lots of history with two great announcer, Vince Gully, and the Great Jack Buck and I'm really blessed to be here but I play for this team and this city and find a way to get it done. It wasn't like it wasn't trying to hit a home run as it's GonNa take a good hard swimming and who get a base hit hopefully and game gives us a one run lead but I just miss that ball and hit the bottom side of the baseball and hit one of my further runs was ones where you know it's just gone right off the bat. What did you say a wrap it up with this when you are trotting down the first baseline, I've always wanted to ask you this. What did you say to Whitey in the bench when you hit that home run Where I looked at him and I said, take that bitches you know who was. So excuse my language everybody's listen but I said because people ask me and I took my time and I've Nick Lay at first I gave him a hi fi or lo five and hit first base and that kind of took my time out I ran out to where the second baseman was in had to cut it in and hit second base and then I of went to the shortstop area and took a slow through next I knew with dodgers SORTA were right in front Of Me then and or I was right in front of them. So I hit, how linear gave him a low five and pick my make kind of made a big turn. Kinda. Went semi toward their duck liberal I never really did that before and just took my time and I was kind of shocked to see all the teammates especially Vince Coleman who is limping out the homeless the other teammates at home take that was to me more of a how if you walk off on. The we still had a game that we had won the game yet. So I wasn't expecting that but I was like, well, it's kind of cool. But my good friend Danny Cox was you know he was pretty much bigger and everybody else you know but he was kind of towering over all all the other guys I kinda reached up and two handed to end at him and everybody was excited you know and as nice to be excited but it's not over with yet. To get him out which we believed we were gone to. We had the people to in the momentum, but you just never know they've got the last the bat but it was you know one of the best things with agency from beginning I saw later was guerrero in left field throwing his glove doubt. You can get another guy another team to throw his glove down. You've You've stung them pretty hard. That's pretty deep and not just into their clubhouse or to their dugout, but that's pretty much deep into their history and their season and everything else and people are not going to be happy with each other after that. So I got a lot of back on one swing of the band's first pitch fastball i. didn't Miss it and under thank God it went out of the ballpark gives us a couple more runs tight game gave us a couple of lead and white. He's always said you know the best player in baseball for him as a a three run home run so That was from my skipper and good friend and. And Cardinal Nation Migrate Fans Saint. Louis and I really thank them for. Get me out of candlestick park evening opportunity to play baseball like everybody else does in the summertime and sweat and get loose than the humidity and. And not have a big SAL territory and not have wind elements and hotdog rappers blown in front of your face and dirt dust trying to hit Nolan Ryan. I understand Jack, it's awesome to hear your voice. It's great to have you back in town and hopefully sooner rather than later let's get you back down to the ballpark and let's catch up in person very very soon that'd be great. Dan Take Care have great holiday stay safe everybody with the virus you and your family dance they very safe and I look forward to seeing everybody soon you got it. That's the Great Jack Clark.
Danny Knobler, Bleacher Report
"Great news. There's a quick way. You can save money. Switch to Geico. Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price. And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy chef baseball. There is the wolf book. And then there are also the so called unwritten rules of the game. They were very much at issue last week when a brawl was sparked in a game between the royals and the White Sox after the royals took issue with Tim Anderson's bat, flip when the White Sox slugger hit a home run. He was then plunked in his next at bat. That's sparked not only the brawl, but also conversation about what is the kind of comportment that teams will tolerate on the field. What kind of behavior will opponents tolerate in terms of celebrations? This is an old conversation baseball. But it's also a new conversation and is the subject to at least some degree of a new book by Danny nobler who joins us. Now. Danny thank you for being with us. No problem. Germany. Thanks for having me your. Absolutely, right. It is a topic a never ending topic. A in the book is titled unwritten that flips the fun police in baseball's new future. What were you thinking? When you saw the White Sox and the royals go at it last week. I was thinking say q. What better way to promote a book about the unwritten rules, then they have two teams out there because the guy flipped his bad after hitting a nice press. Right. Right. And the other teams didn't like it. But no, I was thinking this shows a lot on how will you unwritten rules have developed and what it means in the modern game. Because and the reason I say that if you go back ten years, and and Tim Anderson foot does bat like that. Nobody would have been surprised when he got hit by a pitch the next time up, and he wouldn't have been surprised. And in fact, he might have just said, okay. You know, what that's the way it is. And I'm gonna go walk down to first base. Take my face and accept that. As way it is in today's game. There's more of an acceptance that you can flip your bat, you can show emotion on the field and many people. Especially after it was very interesting. Some of the reactions from players around the game not just fans players around the game. And not just position players that just hitters but pitchers to not all of them. Probably Tim Anderson said, but some of them very vocally said, I don't have a problem if you flip your bat like that. And I know a mere Garrett of the reds put on Twitter. I dunno problem. Like you celebrate. However, you want just know that when I strike you out I'm going to celebrate to Danny nobler about baseball's unwritten rules. His new book is unwritten backflips, the fun police and baseball's new future. And it's one of these things we're talking about this on the air last week in the wake of the Tim Anderson episode in spin wherever you want to characterize it. You know, there is this evolving culture in baseball about what is acceptable. What is unacceptable, but it seems like, you know, different players, obviously have different attitude. Toward it. You know, I'm forty nine. I grew up when pitchers like, Don Drysdale and Bob Gibson and even earlier wind from an earlier early wind from an earlier generation were celebrated for going after whoever crowded the plate. Whoever showed them up. You'll at what point are we now in the transition away from celebrating those kinds of pitchers I think has been a big Vall ever Lucien from there because I think one thing not just that those pitchers throw inside and maybe hit you. If you were crowding the plate a lot of those pitchers with throw at you. If you just gotta hit off them you hit a home run off. You know, hardline drive off them. They were gonna make sure that you felt that the next time now part of that is actually understandable. If everyone says, why would you hit a guy for having success, and I would never be in favor of that. However, a lot of pitching successful pitching is about making the hitter uncomfortable. Now, you make him uncomfortable in various ways, you make them comfortable with the ball that moves that looks like a strike that isn't you make comfortable changing velocity going in with with a. Change up and then coming back with a fastball things like that. But part of making him on uncomfortable is also making him understand that he has to pay attention to both sides of the plate. Now that doesn't mean in today's game that it's acceptable to throw at someone especially not to throw it someone near the head, which in earlier generation might have been more acceptable. In today's game. I think there's almost universal belief in in the game that that's not acceptable among pitchers and hitters, but there's still a question about whether it's okay to retaliate either for a pitcher on the other team throwing at your headers or for somebody celebrating in a way that you don't appreciate and that is still very much under discussion, and you get very different answers. I talked to a lot of pitchers hitters managers scouts. Coaches around the game. And there I I wouldn't say there's yet a general consensus on whether it's okay to throw it somebody either in retaliation or. For violations or believe violations of the unwritten rules. We're speaking with Danny nobler, the longtime baseball writer, he's now with Bleacher report, formerly with CBS sports dot com is new book is unwritten backflips, the fun police in baseball's new future a timely book to say, the least discussing an issue though that we've been talking about for generations when I was growing up. You know, the guys who celebrated were hot dogs, and they could expect to get plunked to get themselves into fights on the base paths that cetera et cetera. Now the rules are evolving. How much of the evolution though, has to do with the fact that you know, we're now almost half a century into the D H era, and we're almost were more than twenty years into the interleague Eero, which means that, you know, not all the time are pitchers coming up to the plate. Even if they're in the National League in the fact that you know, there was this built in mechanism proposed. Baseball history, where if the pitcher did something he was going to have to face the music to that's not the case anymore. No. It's not an effect. Even in the National League. You don't see if if somebody is mad about a pitcher throwing it a hitter it used to be you're right that they would wait for that pitcher to come up and throw it him even in the National League PO partly because pitchers don't stand the game as long that's less likely to happen. And what's more likely? If you throw it my big hitter, Mike guy in the middle of the line. I'm going to throw at your big hitter in the middle of lineup. That's the team that believes retaliation is. So I don't think I think the star when the D H rule came in. That was a significant issue. I think now it's not as much mainly because that's not as much part of the game. Any that's one of the unwritten rules. That's actually kind of changed a little bit that you don't. Tend to retaliate by throwing out the pitcher any one of the things that I you know, doesn't get brought into the discussion as much as perhaps it should be is the pressure that pitchers feel to retaliate on behalf of their teammates to maintain credibility with their teammates in the clubhouse. And how important that is? And it's not something. It's not a situation they've created. And and for a long time. Of course, you know, a pitcher might not want to be in that situation. He might not be eager about going out there doing this. But felt an obligation to do. So I mean, we had this conversation a few years ago with Noah, Syndergaard, and the Kansas City Royals and the chase utley stuff at all that. And he seemed for his part to be eager to be in that position to show everybody that he was willing to stand up for his team. But other guys don't want to. How do the pitchers feel about this? Well, I think in general pitchers understand that they're part of a team. And if the team believes that someone needs to either get hit, or at least kinda get knocked down that they're willing to do it. If they believe in the reason for doing it. Now, the one thing that you get you get tensions about you get tensions when hitters don't think. Their pitchers are protecting. But you also get tensions if a hitter thinks that he's getting hit because his pitcher through it someone with no reason, for example, as I said in the old days if Nolan Ryan if you hit a ball heart up on right? He might throw it. Now. In today's game. If a pitcher does that if a pitcher simply let's say a pitcher gives up back to back home runs and then throws at the next hitter. People will think no question that. That's the reason he did. Now if the other team retaliates by throwing at one of their hitters one of now a lot of times you'll see now that the hitter on that team Walsall much be mad at the pitcher threw out. I'm hoping that it does own pitcher because he believes that without justification. He brought that on the he did that only for his own ego. Not for being part of a team. But you're right. It's a it's a very interesting question. Now, what else it was happened in some circumstances is if for example, the air is on Diamondbacks toy Lavelle before last season when he took over there in Arizona. He made a point of saying to his pitchers. I don't believe in throwing it hitters, and even when obviously last year, Paul Goldschmidt was there big hitter. But Goldsmith got it a few times. He didn't want his pitchers to retire. Alliot and that takes away from the pitcher because the manager is set. That's not how we do things here. And it's it's a it's an evolving thing. But it's actually not all knew Earl Weaver actually believe the same thing when he managed the Orioles for all those years. Earl Weaver did not like is pitchers retaliating mainly because he thought that if somebody ended up getting hurt the Orioles, we're going to be at a worst part because they had the better players, and he didn't wanna lose his good Briers. If we're an injury that he thought was was avoidable. See with Danny no bird, the longtime baseball writer about his new book unwritten backflips, the fund police in baseball's new future before we let you go. Daddy. We could talk about this all day long. And there's a lot in the book as well about a culture clashes. And we'd be remiss if we didn't mention that you're right about that as well. Different perspectives in Latin American baseball. And in North American US baseball about about celebrations and so forth. But you know, I what are those unwritten rules is you know, when you've got a six run seven run lead in the eighth inning. You're not stealing United steal a basis or you're not laying down Bunce. And I always thought that Whitey Herzog. Who was of course, when most successful managers in baseball history in one a lot of one run games and won a lot of games by generating runs based base. He said I'll tell my guys stop trying when you tell your guys to stop trying. And that always made sense to me. But there's still this feeling like that. You can't play baseball that way. If you've got a lead, even though the other guys supposed to do everything he can to get back into the game. I don't get it. There's another alum at that's come in within the last couple of years last few years because of the chefs and people say, well, you you you you shouldn't Ron you shouldn't take extra-base you shouldn't run for a hit. When you have a big lead. And the other side of it is well, why are you shifting against me? Then why are you trying to take that away? I if you just wanna play out the game. Let's play off the game. Don't don't do that. I I understand that. I understand exactly what why he was saying. And I understand what you're saying. I will say this though, most of the unwritten rules come down to an interpretation of a single word, and that word is respect people in baseball talk all the time about respecting. The opposition respecting your team respecting the game and respecting the uniform. And there is a sense that when a game is over and over meeting wa- so one sided that say you're talking about being position player into pitch or something like that that it's not showing respect if you're taking extra bases. Even to the extent. I I quote wants Sam well when he was coaching third base for the Phillies said that, you know, one sided game he wasn't going to send a runner home, unless it was just clear that he was going to score which serve two purposes. One it didn't show up the opponent. But to you don't want to risk an injury in a one sided game. So you're not gonna go send them if there's gonna be a play at the plate now with the rules of the plate of changes, less likely. There's an injury in a collision, but still there's always some possibilities. Is there and that is that is something that has been a game. Now, there is not a general agreement on how one side of the game has to be before you shut the things like that down. But I think there is still a general agreement that at some point in a game, you if you steal a base with two big lead. There's gonna be consequences of some kind of any new book. Unwritten that's lips the fun police in baseball's new future. An important addition to any baseball fans, libraries, especially with the events of the last couple of weeks. Danny thank you so much for joining us here in the sporting life. No, prom jeremiad. I love talking about this subject, and thanks so much for having me, I'm Jeremy shop, and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN.
The Kilcoyne Conversation Mike Shannon
"Well we talk about mike shannon. We could really go for hours. I mean we can get on former players and broadcast partners and just tell stories until the tapes run out because mike shannon has been a part of our lives for years and years. There's so many kids that grew up listening to cardinal baseball. That don't even realize mike shannon was an outstanding player. A two time world series champion in saint louis. One of the topics that always comes up is greatest performer. Who is the best high school athlete of all time. These names get thrown around and then people will say you know it might be mike shannon. A three sports star football basketball baseball at cbc christian brothers high school went down to mizzou to play football in famously. Think dan devine said this guy. This guy sticks with football. You might wanna heisman. And mike said nominal go with baseball and for ten years. Played for the cardinals. Illness cut career short by now. You'll know the story ends up in the broadcast booth after working for the team for one year. Well it was one thousand nine hundred seventy two. And then mike shannon ends up being in the booth for fifty years. This will be his fiftieth season broadcasting cardinal baseball and he told us last week this is it final year. He scaled back five years ago. Started only doing the home games but at some point it was probably inevitable but mike made it official Tell us that this is going to be his last season behind the booth and with that you know they'll be all sorts of farewell moments and it's going to be a lot of fun any with mike is a lot of fun and being. Cbc grad myself. Coming back to work in saint louis getting to know mike a little bit It's been great. It's just it always makes you laugh. Everytime i think about my shannon i started laughing and most of my interactions are stories. End up with me laughing. But when i was new in town had come back covering the team. I'd see every once in a while the old bush and he'd always call me big boy boy. We do a big boy. So one time. I'm talking to tony larussa. And i was sort of bragging about the fact that shannon really liked me and took me and i said you know he calls me big boy. I says even give me a nickname is. He's got to like me. Give me a nickname. Larussa said you kidding right and they said no i thought it was pretty cool and he said he calls everybody big toy so much for my special nickname that a few years later the alma mater. Cbc said. can you help us out with the event over at the racetrack. Fairmont park for many years. Mike shannon one of his fundraisers for cbc was at fairmont park. And he would host it and have it auction. It was a great night night at the races. A lot of fun. He had gotten out of the the golf tournament game switched to that. Everybody had a golf tournament. Difference go to the track and so they said we just want you to be there because every once in a while. If mike wants to do something else you can just hop in and take over. I said okay so they give me the auction list. I'm just kind of sitting there waiting. Taking my just biding my time. It might get up there. And he says oh. I'm going to go off script here shocking. Right no one might. He says i'm gonna take you somebody fish. Who's got some money out to help us raise him. I'm gonna take you fishing. Who wants to give me a thousand bucks to go fishing one. Well the hell of a town. We'll bring some beer get some fish and so people start bidding and then mike says wadia. Well what hers was there and he said. What are you going to come with us wide. He's coming into. We'll give you five grand now. This is going on for a while. The bids keep getting higher. And mike read at red red needs. He'll come to now. People are throwing money around people that obviously had a little money to spend start bidding like crazy and then my worst standard standstill stands you. He'll go stand. You come come into. Are you kidding me. It's a fishing trip with stan. Musial red shadings. Whitey herzog and mike shannon honest. I don't remember for sure. I got paid like fifteen twenty grand. It was unbelievable so mike. Does anybody cheer going crazy. And he turns it art martin. Who took over for a while. How are you gonna follow that. They said okay I got a couple of restaurant gift cards if we can get the bidding going. I mean it was no chance no chance to follow that up. It was unbelievable. One of my favorite. Mike memories Raising money is only mike mike and do and it's funny that he became friends and teammates with stan musial because in high school he was teammates. Withstand son dick museum and he. Mike tells the story when he made it to. The big leagues stand told him are. It might be time for me to retire when my son's teammates are now my teammates. I think i need to retire. Think about that mike. Shannon kid from south city saint louis ends up down mizzou then in the big leagues with the hometown cardinals and teammates withstand museum and then the broadcast world got to know. Everybody traveled all over with see everybody. I wasn't there when they went to the white house after winning the world series in two thousand eleven but watching the feed at work and and i swear barack obama walked by and said hey mike how are you and now. It's possible somebody said. Hey that's mike shannon. He's the announcer but it seemed like he knew him. And just holy crap. It is true we always say oh shannon and he really did unbelievable. What a what a fun career for him. And it's gonna be a lot of fun winding down this year. So this is our conversation with my making the news official that. He's heading into his fiftieth and final season kilcoyne conversation. It's not a long conversation. We will get a chance to do something on a longer form later in the summer. 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I'm guessing no fans are gonna let you go without a little bit of a celebration where the fans have really been nice to me all through the year sort of the cardinals been very nice to me and this is hopefully going to be a mutual situation where i do the fifty games and we have some celebration. And that's where it's going to be you know i'm not gonna die and go away. I'm just going to be celebrating. Would it started in nineteen seventy-two. What if i told you then you'd be doing it for fifty years you know in this business in my business period. I i work off the cuff. I i knew. Thanks from day to day. And and that's what i do. I go in every day. And i i do. The ballgames planning simple. How much fun is mike. Shannon had doing cardinal baseball. Well mike sheehan has had a great run at cardinal baseball head all kinds of fun and the cardinals have been great to me. And i hope off that. They'll continue to be great to me. I see no reason why they shouldn't and we're going to have a fun season. What do you enjoy most about it. When i go to work every day. I don't know what's going to happen. It could be a no hitter. Guy hits five home runs. And that's what the wonderful thing about the businesses. Okay you see a perfect game. I mean you just don't you don't have any idea what's going to happen that day and it could be history in the making what would stand out over. The years is it. Is it your friends around the country. You'd go places. I mean joe buck said. He's worked with a lot of partners he said. Let me tell you the guy you want to travel with his with mike we go to the best. Golf courses prefer the best restaurant he said. Everybody knows mike. You guys go to the white house. And everybody's like barack. Obama knew who mike shannon was what what did bente like traveling and and getting a meet so many different people well. It's really bad joy. And i've been so fortunate over the years to make so many acquaintances. And whether they be the shoeshine guy or the guy down in houston with no legs. It runs clubhouse down there and shines issues and and you get to talk to him and you get to talk to the president of the united states. I mean it's been wonderful. I can remember when When the came into into Bush stadium and he. And i got to interview him. And i told her this assistant or socio. Well i wanna ask him about the war. She's oh you can't do that. In bucky bush was there his his uncle. And what a wonderful man. And i got to go to his funeral down here in florida when he passed away. I mean. there's just no into the people that i've been able to meet and have a great relationship with over the seasons. It's it's been in the works the last few years. I guess you just were waiting for the right time. That's right the right time. And it is the right time You know. I've been doing this baseball for fifty years. And it's time for someone else to take the reigns and run with it and and it's in good hands with john rooney and and the guys that he worked with john is a tremendous broadcaster. And he's been in the business a long long time. Ricky harden has been just a wonderful wonderful supplement and so as mike clayborn. My clermont is filled into no end. You can't say enough about mike claiborne. And the connections that he has and what he's done over the years it's been amazing inam really looking forward to not guys run with it. It sure would be nice in a final year to be doing some playoff baseball. Maybe there's a way let's nba no pressure on that but it sure would be nice. Wouldn't it if it were a a good year with good team. Where i think did this manager ahead a tremendous idea about what's going to happen and I see him in a couple of weeks down here in florida. More and florida waiting for the guys to come down waiting for my last spring training. It's going to be a wonderful year. You're going to be nostalgic. Think during the year a little bit thinking about everything that's taken place why sure i mean I'm planning on making a couple of trips with the ball club this year. Also and you know the cardinals have been wonderful to me and hopefully i've been wonderful to the cardinals into the fans all through the years and i'm looking forward to it. It's it's an unfair question but does any moment jump out at you in the booth. That are there a couple of moments where you were in the booth and you said man. I'll never forget this. Well yeah there. There's numerous ones but you know the ones that stick out a lot of the mcgwire's seventieth home run. I didn't think that that it'd be broken that quickly. And you know 'cause marriage was such a good friend of mine. And and i've been able to correlate things through the years it's been a wonderful run for me and i have no complaints whatsoever. Mike we appreciate your time all the best. Look forward to seeing you in person in the booth this year. I know fans will be bummed here that it's the final year but i'll bet they're gonna enjoy the ride with you. Well thank you. That's very kind of. I appreciate it very much and i have a lot of friends. That are into business to Mr goku no doubt about that. It's been a wonderful ride. And i'm looking forward to it. Mike thanks so much. Appreciate it and look forward to senior. Soon i'm amanda thank you. I take care appliance. Discounters a great saint. Louis success story there in maplewood south county saint charles and baldwin and they carry ge appliances you know. The story appliance discounters. Great merchandise even better prices while they carry. Ge's what i tell folks to do all the time and just tell them go to the website. The appliance discounters dot com and in little search engine type in ge and all the great products will pop up ranges. Microwaves freezers. How about the stainless steel dishwasher. 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Maybe a couple of beers maybe a couple of steaks at midnight and just talking for like an hour and it was if you think about it was almost like a precursor to a podcast. Live edge shannon. That simple dig in one day with mike So much fun to talk to him. It will do it again for sure. One of the story that came to mind couple summers ago. We took mike fishing for a tv story on fox. Two and the idea was a great outdoorsman loved hunting and fishing and we wanted to see him in his element fishing. And he's relented a big bass. And i said wow is that. Is that canada same. Feeling when you got that thing on the hook a real big fish you know just like hitting a home run the big leagues and he can't let out that classic mike shannon lamps it No not at all. And that's the thing about. Mike is he would tell you exactly what he was thinking. No s and. That's why i think the fans really loved him because it was just that he was the voice of the cardinals he sort of had their voice when it was time to be just downright giddy or excited. He was disgusted at the way. They were playing. You could hear the disgust in his voice. He always gave you exactly what he was thinking. So thanks for checking out. Make sure you subscribe and get all of our segments delivered directly to you a lot of great feedback on the day. Murray visit a week ago. The longtime weatherman at fox to now living in southern california talking about his career a lot of great feedback with that. So make sure you subscribe. I tunes spotify. Get it delivered directly to you and always available on the web. At scoops with danny amac dot com pecul- gwen conversation is presented to you by triad bank. Marie davila senior living and appliance discounters. I've marked kilgore thanks for to argue against.
The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 223 Billy Busch
"Yes. Yes. Welcome into mckernan show here on the inside STO podcast work from home loan expert dot com studios. It's interview time interview time at the ballpark, and our guests this week presented by Mark Hanna of evergreen, wealth strategies, Billy Bush. Oh, man, when we Billy Bush in studio, so I can't wait to ask him all kinds of questions. I said can I ask him? He goes ask whatever you want. All right. Let's ask away. So when you're thinking about Saint Louis in the brand synonymous with our city, it's an Iser Bush. Well, Billy is one of these sons of gussie Busch in for me, not really having any clue regarding in is or Bush growing up when I was five or six years old and I'm watching World Series games. I thought of gussie Busch is the guy who would come out when the cardinals are in a World Series game with the clydesdales and he's wearing the cowboy had. But there, of course, is is way more to it. And. And hearing the stories of growing up in the Bush family, and I think the thing that I think a lot of you probably are most interested to hear is is the inbev purchase. And how that all transpired his feeling on that also his own brewery? He has a new project going on which we discuss in addition to crafting, which we talk about on on on the interview as well. So it's all there for you in this the combination of the business and the Saint Louis, and the politics we get into that as what's all there and really enjoyed this one. This was a good conversation with Billy Bush, presented by Marquette of evergreen wealth strategies online at evergreen asked St. L dot com. That's where you can find Marquette of evergreen, wealth strategies, a really good guy. And if you're looking for somebody to be your financial adviser Martinez. The person for you three one four eight eight nine zero five zero three or go online at evergreen, S T, L dot com. 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Ryan kelly. Our studio sponsor, so ladies and gentlemen, be prepared for a trip down Saint Louis history. And then also what took place specifically during that inbev transaction all of it here. Coming up now with Billy Bush. Billy. Thanks so much for coming in. We'll thanks for having me, Tim. This is this is going to be at least for me, quite a quite an exciting time to to hear about what it was like growing up in your family, and what you have going on right now. And I want to start with what you have going on right now because I just heard about what you're doing in defiance. And this is going to be pretty cool 'cause a lot of people love to go out to the the wineries on the weekends. And now you have something that will be an alternative. But right in the same kind of neck of the woods. Well, that's right. We're building a beret out there in defiance. And it's kind of at the beginning of the wine trail out there. Of course, we're not going to be a winery run be a a brewery and a distillery. So we're also going to be able to make spirits there at the same time. There is a lot of comparison or a lot of synergies between making beer and making spirits. So we're going to be able to do both. We're gonna we're we're going to really focus on some very fine. Beers different styles. P that that people are enjoying today and some very fine spirits, some whiskies and flavored whiskies some single malls of vodka gin things like that. And you know, it's it's an exciting time for for the William Cavendish brewing company, and for me, and my family, you know, we've been doing this now for about eight years nine years, we've been working on the William k Bush brewing company with craft digging. Crafted light that's a good beer. I really liked that beer, and I would say that if you weren't sitting here. I really liked that beer. Well, that's awesome. You say that Tim because that beer is really special to me we worked with one of the most incredible. He's known as the godfather of all brew masters in the world from Germany, and he helped us come up with the recipe of crafting. And of course, you know, in keeping with my family's tradition and what we're all about. And that's always been high quality. I knew that we have to make the very finest beer, especially if we were going to get in the premium lager segment, and we do. Following the old German purity law dates back five hundred years, and it's an all natural brewing process. And we only use foreign greediest, barley, hops, yeast and water. And we we feel that you know, we're delivering more flavor and our beer yet. You're still able to drink a lot of easy to drink. It's very smooth very very refreshing. And but has got more flavor. And so we're in that category were competing with the giants of the industry working our tails off to to continue this great tradition, and sell so cryptic and crafted light. But having a lot of fun. Is it a passion is this? Absolutely. Do I've been doing this? I've been I've been a part of this all my life. Right. I've been I grew up. My father was running the biggest and most successful Brian. He helped become that when I was growing up. I watched him. I watched how he loved it. I watched the passion that he had for the business and my entire family, and my mom, you know, it was a big part of it with the entertaining entertaining of the hose. Sailors, and the suppliers, and and all the all the different people and events you get involved in when you're in the beer industry and the beer business in the marketing, and you know, Frank Sinatra coming to our house because he was chairman of the board was at the house. He was a big marketer of of of the products back then. And so, you know, it was always a fascinating business in it. Always intrigued me, and you know, our roots grew so deepen in Saint Louis family's roots? And when it all came to an end back in two thousand and eight there was no longer a Bush brewing beer, and you know, in bought the company, and there were that that great tradition came to an end. And we felt like this tradition is just is just too great to let let die and we wanted to be a part of Saint Louis in in in. You know, we can't be that big starting off like we were back then with with the old company, but we can get back to their and we're working on doing that. And. You know, Abyan Bev is no longer part of the Bush family is is not part of us any longer. And you know, so we're starting over. We're starting with the William cave wish Bahrain company, and we try to without a brewery for a long time and thinking that okay, we can do this. We can have our beer made up in Wisconsin brew master goes up there every other week in Bruce beer for Bruce crafting and crunchy light. And then it's shipped back here to Missouri. Where it's distributed, and we can do that until we, you know, have enough sales behind us to be able to build a versa. Well, the business has gotten tougher and tougher and tougher there's over seven thousand breweries in the United States. Now is that why it's gotten tougher because there's so much competition because of the competition there's so doggone much competition. And then when you're in the premium lager segment of the industry, you're going against, you know, AB inbev, you're going to get some Miller Coors, you're going against the the strongest the most powerful. Financially companies in the world. I mean, they can give manager Super Bowl tickets and managers and owners of retails stores in stablishment and things like that. You know, you how do you compete with that? They can get them tap. They can get them draft systems and coolers, and all that kind of stuff, and you know, you you can do that. When you're when you have the money to to do things like that. So we have to fight and cli- each and every day to to grow our business. But you know, our beer speaks for itself. Like, you said, it's a it's a high quality really really find beer, and it's starting starting to slowly, but surely take hold, and, you know, we're only five employees in our in our company now we had to we had to cut expenses drastically. Because you know, like, we still are making money, but we're we're we're moving in the right direction. We're growing sales. We've got the expense part of it pretty well figured out. And so, you know. We're going to keep fighting in this is going to help us. Yeah. I think this new brewery will be something that a lot of people be interested in checking out when when I said to some of the people that we were going to have you on people like I can't wait to hear what he has to say, you know, growing up in in like, you said a family that I think is just synonymous with Saint Louis really throughout the twentieth century, the Bush family growing up what was it like being a part of the family the son of gussie Busch. Well, I I had the great opportunity to grow up with a family that you know, we were all we we we we never felt like we were elite or. What's the word that that we were better than anyone else? Or we were always, you know, we we kinda grew up humble because we grew up on a farm. We grew up there grants farm, and we worked out there with the employee's day in and day out growing up went to school. I've everybody else did. And it was a lot of fun because we knew we represented something bigger than ourselves. We knew we were presented a big company and the Bush family name, and that was cool. And then to be able to take part in in places like grant's farm and and Busch gardens and get behind the scene tours of Busch gardens and hang out with the animals, and you know, the chimps and the guerrillas in the all the and the elephants and everything and be a part of that with just a great time. And then of course, my dad bought bought the Saint Louis cardinals back in nineteen fifty three. He saw that. As a great marketing tool for the brands is that what is that? What the reason was I think so. Wasn't all into baseball that back, and he was he was in hunting. He was a big. Here's a sports enthusiast, but more when it came to outdoor sport out as an outdoorsman when it came to riding horses, equestrian sports, and and hunting that was his thing. But but then he realized I think my my sister Elizabeth who is a lot older Niamh and she passed away a few years ago. But she came to my dad and said, you know, you have this great opportunity to buy the Saint Louis cardinals actually the Browns were for sale then. And so were the cardinals. Oh, and at the same time there were both up for exactly back in the fifties. They were and she said get it get the National League team. That's that's going to be more popular. That's that actually was more popular than than the American League teams, and he listened to her and he he was able to buy the cardinals back in one thousand nine hundred eighty three and we had so doggone much fun with that. You know, seeing STAN Musial and read. Chain dis and and Lou Brock and Ted Simmons than all the great Ozzie Smith, and the great managers, you know, Joe Torry and Whitey Herzog. And all those guys coming out of the house going hunting with them, Mike, Shannon. And and Jack buck was a big hundred to and and just being able to talk baseball and sports and enjoy all that you don't remember the remembering all those World Series that my dad was a part of when when we add the team and going into the dugout, you know, I remember going into the locker rooms down in Florida, and they'd have the big I'll just a kidney that of these big balls and bubble gums and filling my pockets with bubble. That's the best fast. Oh, right. Out there with I mean when I think of the nineteen eighties. I think your dad on the wagon with the clydesdales going around the old warning track for playoff game, you know, four World Series game him in. That's that. That's the signature of you just a little kid. I was Garman -solutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Bush is out there. And it's like, yes, it's cardinal playoff baseball. Well there. Well, there were. I can't remember it was the eighty five World Series or the eighty seven worlds, but my dad was born in eighteen ninety nine so he was pretty old and he was up on rag in and they brought in a rookie driver for the horse hitch. And that rookie driver accidentally missed the miss going in between the I was at the between, first and second and and around the pitcher's mound. Instead he went right over the pinchers. Pitchers now, the wagon pop the Whealy was on wheels. It's a four wheel, right? And it was on two wheels. My dad came inches away from falling off the wagon at eighty five eighty eight years old and his mid eighties and ever forget, he came off the wagon. I started who the heck was. Who was in another driving? And that's how he talked enough. They brought in another driver from I think Merrimack New Hampshire or something like that. And. And everything was good after that. But no he had so much fun doing that, you know, he'd put that big red hat on. And with the feathers any waived, all all and it was just. Yeah. It was just so much fun. And he had he had a really good relationship. I mean, I'm saying this from afar, but it seemed like he had a really good relationship with Whitey Herzog and Jack buck and their stories. I don't know I feel like I was reading a book recently. It was Joe books book, and like he would be on the road sometimes and his dad would be hanging out with Whitey in. Sometimes when when your dad was was around, and they'd just be sitting there into the night, you know, enjoying a Budweiser or whichever libation was the choice that evening and just hanging out. And that's just sounds like something that's just like from like a movie, but it was real life in the in the eighties. I well these guys when he hired him. They first and foremost they had to be able to drink beer beer checkmark. And and of course, then then they had to be good at at promoting beer too. And and all those guys. Were. I mean look at back. If you go even further back before your time, Harry Carey rate promoter of of the beer, and you know, and drink a lot of it while he was actually broadcasting, right? And and you know, all those guys were Jack. Buck was would promote Mike, Shannon. Great promoter Whitey Herzog loved to drink beer with dad, and you're right. They'd get together. My I remember Whitey Herzog coming to to the place to grant's farm and fishing. He'd get there about six in the morning he'd go fishing in the lake down there. And then he would catch a bunch of fish, and he would bring a stringer full of them up to dad who'd be getting up having breakfast around seven thirty eight o'clock in the morning, and they'd talk baseball and over the talk. They would drink a beer they'd give the fish to somebody who would fillet him. And they talk their talk baseball, and the trades. He was gonna make and you know, and he made some good ones. Didn't he? Yeah. When he got when he got Ozzie Smith was a lifetime to twenty or battered the time, but knew that he had the potential to be way way back and was going to. But not that great of a hitter. And then he knew he fit into that ballpark. Exactly. Right. Any any base that team around the speed in that ballpark, and and he went to three World Series. Because why do you still talks about your dad in like the highest of steam and compliments in my my guess is it's because your dad let him do what he needed to do in order to build and manage that team. Do you think that's a fair assessment of the way that your father owned and operated? The cardinals. Hope you're enjoying our conversation with Billy Bush, one of our great sponsors making this possible is James Carlton Carlton state farm insurance agency, you know, my relationship with James has has evolved. Actually is the way it's a perfect way to describe it. 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What field you're in? If you can recognize people's talents, and let them do their thing and get out of the way. And my dad learned from the school school or hard knocks. I think he went to the eighth grade. So back in those days, you know, school was not as important as it is today. And so he he wanted the eighth grade. And then after that he learned you know, firsthand about the brewing business and beer and his dad his dad. My grandfather would take him to work every day and teach him, you know, all the different departments facets of the brewing business. So I think what I think that experience really helped him understand people. So let's talk about your father in the brewing business, and then the family's involvement in it. How to how did it all start like the actual? But perhaps obviously before your father. How did the family involvement begin in brewing beer? Yeah. My my great grandfather came over from Germany. He was living along the Rhine river in Germany. So he understood the trade and the business that went on along rivers and at that at that time in the mid eighteen hundreds. There was a lot of people moving from Europe into into United States. And a lot of people from Germany were moving in the Saint Louis along the Mississippi because again that was a great pla-. They understood the trade along the river. So it was so I'm from what I understand. There were several family members from an office that ha- that had already. Over and he then came into America while he was here in Saint Louis. He met ever art Anheuser who was in the in the so business shope. Yes. And he was also he also had a small brewery down on the riverfront, and that's small brewery was failing and he was going to either shut it down or he was going to try to sell it. But before he did that he went to a dolphin who had just married his daughter Lilly Anheuser, and he so your great-grandfather married Lillian. Exactly. So actually, it was a wedding because his brother his brother, married her sister. So it was a double wedding on the same day. And and he was he was a young, man. I think he got married when he was about twenty years old and him and lily Rivera young when they when they married, and he and so- everhart asses son-in-law then. Son-in-law if he would like to see if he could make make go of the of the beer business. And he said sure he saw he saw what was happening. He saw the, you know, the Burris were really starting to take off and form. And you saw a good economy growing an economy growing here in Saint Louis, and he was he was a great. He had he had a great. He had the great ability to see in the female. And so he he said sure, I'll take it and any took an Iran with it. You know, he he was very innovative. So he was the one that was able to he who worked with Louis pass door and pasteurized beer was the first one to pasteurize beer, which meant it kept longer ship it to far further off places he was also a pioneer in the refrigerated railroad car. So now now you could put draft beer unpasteurized or pasteurized beer on a railroad car and ship. To other parts of the country, which he was able to which of course, he did. And then he saw a big need in in Saint Louis, especially because of the hot summers and ales were the predominant beer at that time ales are a little bit more, Hoppy actually, a lot more Hoppy than lagers usually. And and you they're not as refreshing because they're a little more full bodied. And and Hoppy, and he saw a need for a really refreshing lager in in Saint Louis, especially during the heat. And so he he and his brew master came up with the recipe for Budweiser and people, you know, loved it and love to drink it because it was session -able drinkable and refreshing, and it just took off. And then, of course, his son. My grandfather, August senior came along. And he had the the challenge of keeping the company going during prohibition. So that was thirteen. Eighteen years of not being allowed to sell alcohol in the United States. What do you do? So he came. He was also very innovative. So he came up with all different types of products, you know, near beer in syrup and soda and several other things brewer's yeast for health reasons, tablets, you know, and several other things, and he was able to keep all three thousand employees employed during that thirteen years now bang. They're not basically killed him because he ended up dying in nineteen thirty four year after for OB end. But luckily, he was able to see that his sons took over the company and you could sell alcohol again in the United States Franklin Roosevelt repeal prohibition, and you could sell alcoholic in the United States. And so he was able to see all that. And then, you know, the ABC was like one of the only companies breweries left that had made it through that period. And. And so they that's incredible running ahead of the curve of that foundation. So what is your dad? What is your dad able to do to take it from where it already one especially coming on the heels a prohibition to what it became under his on his watch? My dad took it over from his brother in nineteen forty seven the company over nineteen forty seven his brother died fairly young. And he took it over at that time. There was only one Burri, and it was the one here in Saint Louis. My dad opened up I think if I'm not mistaken five or six other breweries around the country, and with that he opened up theme parks around him Busch gardens, and you know, the Busch gardens in Tampa really took off and so did the one in Williamsburg Virginia. But he was able to to grow the business. Grow sales at that time. There was a few companies that were ahead of Anheuser Busch. But he was able to surpass all the other companies. I remember. Even as a kid that that schlitz was doing very very well. And they were the main competitor of aby and my dad, you know, worked very hard. He went visited all the wholesalers by railroad car all over the United States and. And motivated them to sell more. Budweiser to get ahead of of Sean and things like that is what he does. He was great marketer. He, you know, the eight horse hitch was his idea, the the theme parks, the beautiful breeze that you could come and visit Rawl his ideas, and you know, the craft breweries all have these breweries now that our beautiful encourage people to come and visit them the baseball cardinals. You know, what a great marketing tool that was. And he was just he was just genius. You know, he had Frank Sinatra over at our house as well. As a lot of other celebrities who were seen as you know, walking out on stage at concerts with the Budweiser in their hand. And you know, when you get cool people like sure they're influencers social media age, you know, carrying carrying your product is cool. Who do you remember Frank Sinatra being at the house, you remember this you ever seeing him sitting around in the house? You know, I was too young, but he'd come in. And they'd kind of always shoe the Lillard kids away like this is only for the older. But I heard stories I know one evening he was sitting at the at the house with my mom and dad, and he got up and he sang a song. And he was looking at my momma as he was thinking, I think it made my dad a little bit jealous. Understand that. Blue is right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I'm not gonna have like Justin Bieber over to my house or anything like that. I get it. But but it'd be so cool. Do you realize how cool this was growing up or you? Now, look back. I can't believe Sinatra's my house. My dad owned the cardinals. This was like incredible for you. As just like, this is our live, and it's not like we're being handed bricks of ten k every day. So we're just going about our lives. What was what was the mindset is you're growing up in this? I think I realized I think I realized that I was really fortunate and lucky to be able to be a part of all this. And they have what we what we were able to have because of it all, but at the same time like I said, I don't think I ever felt that I was so privileged that. You know, I was better than any. Because again, growing up on the farm keeps you humble, you're out there working with the employees. They're kicking your butt. If you're not working hard. You know, you're young they're older. They're like, you get you know, you gotta throw that. Hey, or you got to build that fence just like us. And if you don't do it, you know, you're a big wimp. So yeah, we had to work hard. And that will that's what was great about. You know, growing up the way we did the only problem that I I would say is school was a little bit more challenging because when we get home from school. The last thing you'd want to do is go do homework you'd rather go out and feed the elephants or you know, buffalo or something like that. Right. Yeah. A little more entertainment than than I do with my wiffle ball field backyard. A little more temptation, so you mentioned the marketing your father's innovation there. I mean, one of the things that signature from me growing up in the nineteen eighties and nineties of the commercials. How did that come to fruition? Where you know. I mean, you look forward to still to this day the commercials from from the brewery, and what they're going to put forth, you know, whether it be the Super Bowl or. Or whatever the campaign that is a signature of of your family's company. Well, I just think that I think that my family always knew the importance of good marketing, and they surrounded themselves with good marketers and good marketing companies, and those marketing companies were able to come up with great ideas that of course, you know, the leaders of which were my family had to approve, but you know, if you look back, and you you remember, the frogs and the lizards and spuds MacKenzie, and you know, some of the wise the fun stuff or guys guys guys. Yeah. And those those things they were just genius. Really the bud bowl. I remember looking forward to watching the bud bowl, which I'm kind of embarrassed by. But we're looking for who's gonna win. I don't know. I'm gonna watch animated beer play football. And I can't wait like what a loser. I know. Everybody was you weren't the only one I it really took off. And and it was it was genius. And and so, you know in in the beer world, then as well as today marketings where it's at because there's a whole lot of great beers out there. There's a lot of great products. And if you you gotta stand out and some way, and they knew that marketing would help the the products net out. Anytime anybody loses apparent it's brutal. When Saint Louis lost your father. I think Saint Louis felt like they lost a patriarch. I remember why to here's like still to this day. Everything changed when when gussie passed away for you guys as a family, can you take yourself back to that time? And then also kind of having to share it with with not just sent the Saint Louis community. But, but I would imagine globally in some capacity. Yeah. You know, my dad was ninety years old when he passed away. He I we all knew he lived a long great life. And he was you know, he was happy each day. And he would he was out coaching the horses. He'd he'd be driving for horses. You know every day just about up until his death. So he we were we were thankful really thankful for a great life that he led and that he didn't have to suffer. And I'll never forget the day that he died. It was September twenty-ninth of nine thousand nine hundred nine he was ninety years old. And it was during the breeding season for the elk. Okay. So I'm getting way off. But the the doctor pronounced him dead and the elk out in the deer park bugle d-. You could hear it. It was just kind of. If. This is such a fitting way that that things should go. So, you know, although there was sadness that he was gone. There was a lot of happiness that he lives such a great life. And and that he did so much for Saint Louis and he loved he loved people. He loved to have fun. He loved his family, and he loves Saint Louis and Saint Louis was so important to him, and and so close to his heart. And I think you know, I I kinda miss the fact that we don't have as many people like that today. Dad, always says it right always says he goes when there are things going on and people may be trying to push Saint Louis around there'd be guys like gussie Busch. Bob hyland. Yep. You know, he'd rattle off these names. And he goes we were kinda missed when I kind of were missing that. Now, do you? So you sense the same thing the same thing. And it's it's unfortunate. And you know, I I I think that's one of the reasons to that. Inspire me to grow this business and. And really participate Louis in that positive light like my father. It's a great compliment. What a great compliment was legacy. You know, it's like, for example, Joe bucks. I'm going to speak out about this Rams things. I know if my dad were still here, that's what he'd be doing. So for you. That's that's part of your motivation in. Yeah. Is it? That's a great thing. I I'm curious 'cause I wonder if you know part of me is like I bet he did. And the pardon me, Betty didn't the books written about the the end of Anheuser Busch in the sale to inbev. Have you read them? I did read the last one bitter brew, a bitter brew. Yeah. There's the throwing the king and did Abreu. Okay. You you. I mean, you know, you lived it. I mean, did you feel like it was accurate or you reading some of it and going out? That's that's a that's a misrepresentation for you know, titillating purpose. We'll say for the most part, I thought bitter brew was well written and for the most part. It was pretty darn accurate. Okay. All right. So going through that process as a member of the family. What do you recall is is I mean because the process now like something just like pops up like that? What what are you guys experiencing is the family? As in. You mean today I'm talking about like when when it begins to change, man. You're not in the same position that you were in and then in Bev comes match their play. Okay. You know, when when inbev came in and made their play I was being warned by a lot of AB employees at the time that something like this could very well happen because they just saw upper management not being as. Put together buttoned up harbor. You wanna put it as they should have been? Unfortunately, you know, when you're when you have a family company that's been family run for five generations. Okay. Sometimes it starts, you know, the the the chain starts to weaken. And and that's easy. It's easy. That's I can see a why that would be easy to happen right at something. Like that could be not that difficult because you know, I think you get a little bit complacent and not only that there's also the the feeling that you there's a lot expected of you. Okay. You've been you've had such a successful company. If you try to real in expenses, and you do it in the wrong way. You're gonna look like a terrible person. Right. So now all of a sudden, you know, your your your company has been just kind of on on remote control. And you're not making the money. The stocks not performing like, it was things aren't going that. Well, you doing everything on the sales side that you possibly can to sell. But it's also costing you more money to do all that. Okay. And you're not actually. Anywhere. Because now you got all this other competition coming in the hardest thing for a family member. At that time to have to do is I'm going to real back on expenses. Now. I'm going to start letting people go, you know, I'm going to start cutting back on maybe some charitable giving. Okay. I'm gonna start cutting back on on all this. Guess what? The media is going to say they're gonna look at you and go, oh, okay. You're making all this money. Your family did all this stuff. And now you're going to start, you know, taking away from you're going to start laying people off you, you know, you look bad. And so it's very difficult to do. I get that part. Okay. I get that part. But unfortunately, there are some things that needed to be done that weren't getting done. And and. And you know, the rest is history. They inbev inbev took si- a a possibility of getting something done there, and they took it. And so, you know, I they spent what's fifty two billion dollars. The by the company causes shares to go up to seventy dollars a share. So the shareholders were very happy, especially if they held onto their stock at that time. But yeah, it was it was sad to see. It really was. But at the same time it was inevitable. You saw coming. You saw the the the strength of the leadership wasn't quite there any longer and something needed to be done. And so that happened, and it gave you know, it gave my family and me the opportunity to say, okay. We're going to keep this great tradition going and be a part of it. If you're looking back on it and something that could be it sounds like you're like, and I get exactly what you're saying. I mean this. Family and this brewery is synonymous with Saint Louis. I mean, a prestigious part of Saint Louis and therefore viewed as somewhat family, even though it's your own family that you don't start laying off family members. You don't start cutting charity family members. And so you're in a tough spot where it sounds like it became clear that expenses needed to be cut, which means layoffs and some the charitable donations perhaps some of the advertising that you know, how much branding do you need locally for anti Bush needs to be cut back. And if you could go back, maybe that's the direction that they should have gone. You think is that? It's a lot easier for inbev to do that which they did because the third person overseas as it was a lot easier for them to do it. But, you know, looking back it would have been probably it would have been the right move to to do that. But there were too many things going on inside the company they prevented that from happening when the day happens that the sale closes. What is what is that like for you for your family? Well, the cool thing about it is is I was able to I held onto most of my stock. Okay. My father said he told me as a young kid. He said son he every year. He'd give me some you'd give the whole family some shares. He said sons hold onto this don't ever sell it. Now, I had bankers, and I had money managers all telling me sell sell sell sell. It's too risky. You can't have all your eggs in one basket for the most part. I didn't listen to them. And my wife always said, no, you know, what hold onto its she was very smart about it too. So I did I held on. And and then when the sale actually happened it was during the time, you know of two thousand seven everything was tanking. And that was the only thing kind of you know, held everything else up. So by holding onto it it it it was almost a relief that the sale got done in that respect. But at the same time, you know, if you look at it financially, but if you look at it and just a, you know. Just from just from a story. You know, I knew it was the end of an incredible story, and it credible tradition. And that was it. And so, but it did allow me to have enough of finances to start this company. Yeah. And that is in that is where things sit right now again crafted which really is. I mean, it's a really good beer is a really good beer when it's around I'm going to enjoy one or multiple, you know, is the case might be. And I like what you're doing here in defiance is this something that you're seeing pop up around the country with with people doing these kinds of things. But but you're not doing it just like an urban setting. You're doing it out. Like, we said kind of in the winery. Yeah, you know, what we're seeing? We're seeing various pop up all over the country. I mean, they're seven thousand of them now in the United States, and I think, you know, twenty years ago there were there were less than a thousand. So there's been a bunch of breweries pop up. There aren't that. Many farmers like we're talking about. So we're doing something fairly unique. There are a few of them around and some of them do very very well. So what we're doing is is very unique with the farm Burri, and the setting that was that we're gonna build the brewery on. So the people can really come out and enjoy the country life, the wildlife conservation all that sort of thing right there along with some good beer, and in good spirits in great food to table, everything farmed glass, I think that's I think is going to take. I mean, I really I think it's a great idea. I'm sure there's some guys like me. I'm like, oh, we're going to go out and drink wine this afternoon. All right. You know, but I can go out to a two brewery and have whether it be, you know, booze or beer, whatever. And a great restaurant. That's that's a lot more attractive to me. Well, I think. Well, I think I think it fits with who are family is, you know, my father, and my grandfather were all big conservationists, and and wildlife Preservationists, and we're we're very much in keeping with that. We like the hunt we like to be out on in the on farms and working on the farm, and and we really care about conservation. And so by building the brewery out on our farm and having people come to our farm like I'd like it was when I was I right is right up. Our Elliot's who we are, you know, what I was looking around in the city, and and and looking at different places there were a lot of great places. But it just never felt like, you know, I'm not one of these. I'm not so much urban urban type of person, and my family isn't either we're much more suited in fitted to be out on the farm and invite people out there, and they can enjoy fresh air and good. You know, good good alcohol. That's what the plenty of people. Will love doing. All right. Some quick hitters here. As you've been kind enough to give me a lot of your time already favorite memory from being around the cardinals growing up. It's probably something. I mean, listen, I mean watching Bruce or strike out. Gorman Thomas is great. But you might have, you know, seen STAN Musial talking to Hank Aaron or something, you know, at the house for all. I know I don't know what stands out. Oh, there's so many of them. I think I think my favorite moment was when I went to a cardinal game. And we got to sit we had our seats right by the dugout. So we're right up there in the front row on the first base side. And it was an it was a day game. If I remember, right. And the cardinals couldn't get anything going ofensive Lii, and it was zero zero and I think we had two hits. And both of them are by Lou Brock, and he gets up there the third time. And he he gets on base again. We've now got three hits he's on base. He steals second. Then he steals third and then somebody hits a fly ball, and he comes home, we're up one nothing in the bottom of the ninth or top of the ninth because his home game. And it looks a guy from the other team. I think we were playing Pittsburgh. Is on base. And this this is batter. Hits a long fly ball the left field and lube rock climbs the fence and makes the catch for and kept it from being a home run. And we win the game. And basically Lou Brock won the game here. I'll just never forget that how incredible you know, that guy was and what a what a fun exciting player. He was to watch. I always wanted to the games and really kind of focused on him. But that day was just an amazing day. Watching sounds like Lou Brock was your Vince Coleman for me. I couldn't get Vince. Coleman a Willie McGee in the nineteen eighties days when they were stealing base, I wished that could still work me to watch home plate. I'd watch the first base, right? Because it was a pit a dirt with turf, and I can't wait to watch. Vince, Ron Willey, Ron Ozzy run. Oh in the mind games. That would go on with the pit you catch your in the first place, and they're all trying to figure out. Okay. Is he gonna run and Lou Brock always claimed that he could tell a pitch out when a when a pitch out was coming really read on there. Yeah. He had to. He had to I don't know how he said he could. Was a great guy was eighty-five tough for you. Like, I am curious. 'cause I always ask these kind of like, are you kidding? I mean like like how tough. I was like are you university of Missouri? And like, I didn't realize Kansas City at this thing with Saint Louis until I got there. And then it's like there's five Mike. What's your deal? It's like nine years, you know. But yeah. Now on my mind. That's about it. And I haven't even thought about it. I was eight when it happened. You know, so yeah. Your your your family owns the team, and you got banged out of a World Series. It was terrible. When I thought we were going to come back and win that seventh game still thought we were so flat. Just. And we had nothing left. That's brutal favorite favorite restaurant in Saint Louis C. I bet you've but you could give some insight on this. Oh, yeah. You know, what I love? Well, it's in. Yeah. It's anti guns anti the nice play any guns that is playing. What are you going their own state? Oh, I love their state stake in their shrimp. Shrimp appetizer. Yeah. Seems like pizza on board. We you to get a cold crafted with it. I wash that down real nicely. Most famous person you have met. Residents in there. There's got to be some presidents, and I mean Frank Sinatra's at the house. I don't know how you can top that. But who knows may those famous person most famous person, I've met a lot of them. But who would have been the most famous. Let me think here. Could Yul Brenner. You. Give me a thousand guests. I would've put him you will king, and because he might be because he might be globally, possibly the most famous guy actually might be statement on. We'll be I mean, he came to grant's farm when they were performing the king and. And he stayed there grandson stayed there. Yes. Don't don't be loud. Kids you'll up in the oven, the guest bedroom. Because he had to sleep all day long. Sleep. So you'd get a glimpse of them here. Once. But yeah, that was pretty cool. That's pretty awesome. And final thoughts. I'm curious on this because your family like I said synonymous with Saint Louis in anytime. I get somebody in here. We wind up having kind of a civic conversation on Saint Louis, where do you see Saint Louis at this particular moment, where would you like to see it going over the next say generation or so Saint Louis right now kind of a low spot. I, you know, I know my kids and they're friends hold your key Hollier kid, I have seven so they seven kids. Yep. They run from twenty seven down to I've thirteen year olds. He's easy youngest your diversified. So I've got yeah. I have four they're already graduated college in and one that's in college at wash U. And and you know, I see their friends picking up and moving out right move leaving Chicago, Dallas, New York Denver. I mean, all those great. Yes. That's the thing that was going on with Mike friend, Dan, we're getting out of college. So I just don't I see Saint Louis at a low point and not not really able to keep the young college graduate the key in Saint Louis. What do you think it'd be done about that? Well, you know, I think that we I think that we we have to have people that really care about Saint Louis who are going to be very positive, and and I think what Taylor's are doing with with the soccer team, and some other things that are going on is going to be very helpful. But I also see I I don't see I also see what's the word dog on it. That there. Oh, I'm trying to remember the word. But anyway, I also see corruption. Now, I I've seen it because I've been I've been, you know, involved in in not corruption thing but involved in things in in business in Missouri in Saint Louis, and I see some corruption going on. And I think we got to somehow get rid of some of this. Yeah. When when when people talk about the city and the county thing, and I know I can be a controversial thing about like looking for you to take a stand unless you'd like to pine on it yet. But I think people I think it was born out of in part the Rams leaving the first MLS vote where people in the county were like, oh my God. This didn't pass certainly Ferguson played a role in it you travel, I travel when I say, I'm from Saint Louis, they either will bring up the cardinals or crime or Ferguson is Ferguson is like, you know, all of Saint Louis. That's just at this moment. What we're known for in cities that you know, were kind of in our rear view mirror now passing spies. Respectfully, Nashville Indianapolis Louisville. You see this going on? And it bothers me. And what you cited Billy. I think of the when the the twenty two twenty three year olds. Or if they go to, you know, get an MBA they don't return to Saint Louis, they stay in Chicago, or at least through their twenties and thirties they do in. They might move back and raise their family here. And I feel like we're missing that that part of the city to help propel it to the region couldn't agree with you more, Tim. I think you said it very well. I think we gotta find ways to give opportunity. These young young here in Saint Louis to keep to get them to stay now. Well, what your family has done throughout Saint Louis? I mean a story, and I'm so glad that you were kind enough to come here and tell it I've enjoyed it quite a bit and in. Thank you so much in in best of luck. You're on the new venture. I wish you could buy stock. And I'm sure you don't need me. But I just saying I think things are going to kill it. Thank you, Tim. I really appreciate. All right. So there it is our conversation with Billy Bush here on the Tim occurred and show from the home loan expert dot com studios. Billy presented by Mark Hanna, evergreen, wealth strategies. In addition to our fine sponsors at James Carlton. The state farm insurance agency in Webster groves, three one four nine six one forty eight hundred or online at Carlton insurance dot net, designer heating cooling online at design air, service dot com. The number one trained dealer in the midwest. It's hard to stop a train and Johnny Llandough Chevrolet. Johnny Llandough Chevrolet highway, two seventy in the Washington, Elizabeth exit. They have the free Dotam special. You go out and see Johnny the third or you see the new car manager chip, and you say Fredo Dubuque at five hundred dollars off. A new or pre owned vehicle. Johnny Llandough Chevrolet highway, two seventy in the Washington, Elizabeth exit Chevy. Find new roads, check them out at Llandough dot com. Love that conversation. Lot of inciteful things. A lot of things I didn't know, and you know, to hear a member of the Bush family talk about that. I hadn't heard it in, you know, you're hearing small business perspective. And also the biggest business at the time for you know, decades in Saint Louis getting the the inside thought process of the experience of growing up in the family and then the transaction a decade ago. Billy Bush, thank thank you so much for coming in and talking over from the home loan expert dot com studios. If you missed any errors there for y'all presented by Marquette, evergreen, wealth strategies, go back, and you can binge plus questions from the audience every Wednesday here. Email your questions to me at team current at inside S T L dot com. Always enjoyed talking it over with the audience and the questions, whatever they. Be creepy. As you want fire away is much as you might think. They would upset me fire away. T- mckernan it inside us t l dot com. Thank you to Billy Bush. Thank you, all of our sponsors. Thank you to gangster Pete. And Iggy for producing. And thank you to you the listeners for listening. I'm mckernan. This has been another edition of the Tim Kernan show on the inside of steel podcast network from the home loan expert dot com studios.
The Black Lives Matter Protests And The Sports Community
"This is only a game. I'm Karen Given over the past two weeks. Some of the loudest voices speaking up against racism and police brutality have come from the sports world from former NBA player Stephen Jackson. Who grew up with George Floyd and called him my twin. You can't tell me when that man had his knee on my brother's name taking his life way what his hand in his pocket the best log on his face. To two thousand seventeen NBA rookie of the year Malcolm Brogdon. March next Dr King in the sixties. And he was amazing he will be. All, here. We got to keep pushing forward to sixteen year old tennis star. Cocoa Goff. Speaking out in Florida was eight years. Martin's killed. So why am I here at Sixteen, still demanding change? And it breaks my heart. 'cause I'm finding for the future for my brothers I'm fighting for the future for my kids on finding for the future for my future grandchildren. To the other side of the globe where UFC fighter Israel Sonya joined a protest in. New, Zealand For, racist, being here because we. You. Races get killed we. To talk about all of this, I'm joined by someone. We're fortunate to consider an only a game. Regular Professor Kenneth Shropshire C., E. O. of the global. Sport Institute at Arizona State. University can welcome back. I'd like to start with a bit of historical contact over the past week. A lot of people have been reminded of the protests that swept the country in the late sixties, and the La Riots of Nineteen ninety-two. What in broad terms was the response from the sports community in those moments? Interesting so in the sixties there was a great responsiveness. Great involvement had celebrities of the day Jim Brown. We're deeply engaged, but as governor of the state of Georgia did you go by the laws of God about the laws of the state? I go by the laws of God in by the loss of state as you see fit, what is And even some moments, in fact when some. Great, white, every two involved. In the NFL and the Great Jack, Kemp. It is interesting when you when you forge ahead to the nineties and the La Uprising following Rodney King and L. Simpson and sort of those moment there was silence by the athlete. There were attempts in most notably creek hodges with the Chicago Bulls was an outspoken person on this, but for the most part there was a deep entrenchment of of the Michael Jordan, aura of the best way to get paid in this business is to be a political race Lewis and is colorless as you can be. So how did we get from that era that you're describing of political apathy to what's happening now? So really was the trayvon Martin moment. A great moment by Lebron James Leading is then Miami he team in a way that we had not seen Lebron James tweeted a photo of himself and his teammates, wearing team logo, toadies, the hoodies and using that tool that did exist in the sixties in the ninety nineties social media. We saw great action by some players. Then Saint Louis Rams five rams players entered the field, displaying the hands up. Don't shoot pose. It was an apparent show of solidarity with Ferguson protesters, and certainly a reduction by the WNBA links players, the warmup jerseys named to black men shot last week by police names of Alton sterling and for Landau Casteel were on the back along with the Dallas. Police Department Shield and black lives matter so we have begun to see this greater movement in this greeter moment, but certainly nothing like we're seeing today. Great, so that was going to be my next question. Because of course, this has grown over the past few years, but this present moment does feel different. What stood out to you about the response from the sports community this time around? A combination of things I think certainly were able to hear it more clearly because the Games are not being played, we don't have the distraction. Of the Games, themselves also think that graphically. Seeing what we saw, this time made us all open. Her eyes and ears a level that we have reached before. The black glove protests in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty eight, was two men standing on a victory Stan, raising raising their fist, and there wasn't an imagery of actual death accompanied the Trayvon Martin moment we heard about it. We heard some sound, but we didn't see it may. Eric Garner was the closest situation to this, but somehow it wasn't as brazen blatant as this one. Lavelle moten head men's basketball coach for North Carolina Central Win on ESPN last weekend and said something I have not heard a coach say about his colleagues. He pointed out that college football and basketball coaches at the highest levels make generational wealth off of the athletic abilities of young men who looked like George, Floyd, but whenever? People the Complexion of George Floyd is killed assassinated martyred in the street in broad daylight. They're silent. And I have a problem with that. Does he have a point? A great point and so often we have connected making money off the backs of predominantly African. American you've ethically level so often we've made that point in terms of pay for play in name, image and likeness, so what he does is takes it even further and says look you. Value from these young men. You need to take some steps to protect them. There's a similar messaging that I hope to hear from the Pro Sports Leagues. Especially the National Football League NFL is the one league that is still largely dependent on African American talent and the NBA's right behind, but this this is your labor well speaking of the NFL NFL teams have been putting out statements in support of the protests yet. These are the same teams that have blackballed Colin Kaepernick for protesting police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem. The hypocrisy has certainly not been lost on people. What's been your reaction to this? So I, do applaud the fact that statement was issue that didn't happen. I'll tell you though and not just the NFL. So many of those statements do not specifically mention police brutality police misconduct. Here's a Roger Goodell's. The NFL family is greatly saddened by the tragic events across our country to me. They are missing the mark in. They are doing the the wonderful pollyanna thing of. Of Let's all sing, combined together, there remains much more to do as a country and as a league. No, this is a police brutality moment deal with that, and by the way that something that can be addressed as opposed to this more difficult issue of bringing people together in America. Let's stop killing people in America. Let's take that step and then move forward from there. What have you seen coming out of the? NFL, that is good. Number conversations with people at teams that are executives in the leg of saying what can I do beyond my team statement, the intertwining of these sports leagues with the police, following nine eleven, and you the Great. How're Brian has done some wonderful work on that? That's really coming to bear this moment to. You might want to separate yourself a little bit from that. You may want to take some affirmative. Affirmative steps to say well. Here's what's wrong with my partner that I celebrate and have law enforcement day, and all these kinds of things there are wonderful gop, some of my best friends ops, but there are some problems as well as far as the sports world involvement in protest and social change. What are you going to be paying attention to going forward? The actual programs are initiated actual solicitor taken. As much heat as the NFL gut for funding the player of coalition, ninety million dollars, or whatever it is falling the Colin Kaepernick protests, and then all the follow up what we have seen their. Those men have actually. Moved legislation forward. They've actually gone to state legislatures and gone with the proper people appropriate education, and said here the laws that we need. They are actually working on giving people that are wrongfully incarcerated out of the system, and you know in the police ride alongs and getting another police force, and all that sort of thing in a way that athletes can much better than the newer on. Finally just a big picture question. What do you think this moment tells us about the place that sports and athletes occupy in American society right now? I think because of the huge vacuum that exists in leadership in the White House. And no matter what you think of Donald Trump. He, certainly not united the country, so in the absence of that it is a tremendous opportunity for these people, athletes, sports, figures, leagues the do have the attention and do the respect of people. To hopefully say some of the right things and do some of the right things is. People are looking around for some wisdom. Professor Kenneth Shropshire is the CEO of the Global Sport. Institute at Arizona State University Ken. Thank you so much for joining us? This let's get through this. To my white friends. You all know me as a sports guy. This is Reagan Griffin Junior. He's studying journalism. At the University of Southern California this essay, which he originally wrote for the undefeated is called a letter to my white friends. When you have questions about who to start your fantasy lineup, or what trade rumors are floating around the NBA or good in the upcoming draft class. You come to me for answers. And I happily obliged. Albeit a front with it right now. The Philadelphia. Eagles are undoubtedly without a shred of doubt in my mind were the losers. The losers of the twenty twenty NFL draft. You figure that because I live and breathe the NFL and the NBA. You're better served deferring to my judgment. Value my opinion. You. Accept what I tell you and you act on it. But sports is not the only subject on what you consider my expertise. You see I have as vest. It was given to me at birth passed down from generation to generation. It constantly weighs me down. It puts a perpetual target on my back. I cannot take it off even if I wanted to. I've grown stronger because of it. But I will we never have the opportunity. To display the true limits of that strength. Because the vest will always be part of me. On a spite of its many drawbacks. Of Come to love this fast. It is what defines me. But is deeply attached to the core of my concept of identity. This vest. Is What it means to be. Black in America do. You. Think I spent a lot of time studying sports. I spend every waking moment of my existence study what it is to be black in this country. I'm forced to as every African American. That Melanin and going anywhere. I know what it is to be profiled stigmatized slurred targeted. Hunt! Let it be known. It doesn't take too much time in the same room with me to realize that I'm not the silent Knight. In person on social media through my content, I am vocal about these issues. As a person who is continually living the black experience? I try to offer answers. What is frustrating to me however when it comes to this area of my expertise? My opinions tend to fall on deaf ears. Rarely is there action on my behalf on behalf of every soul facing these issues why? I do not know. Maybe it's peer pressure? Maybe it's because by admitting there is a problem you're meeting that by not taking action. You have been complicit in the problem. Maybe. You simply don't care enough. Whatever it is I'm through making excuses for you. We've been through too much. Laugh together wept together. Fought for each other became family. For me to accept that you turn your back on me. When I need you most. Oh, I don't stand alone in my pain. Dr About Forty, four million of US experts in this country. And most of us are frustrated beyond words. I don't condone these riots happening across the country. But all of you Who Sit in silence have created this monster. We all have our white friends. Who sidestepped these issues in its enraging? That those who have the audacity to call? US friends refuse to stand with us. In the words of Martin Luther King Junior. In the end we will remember not the words of our enemies. But the silence of our France. This isn't about touchdowns baskets home runs goals. As much as I love sports. They're always be bigger issues than what's on the. This is quite literally about wife in death. I'm not asking you to understand. You can frankly never understand without having lived your life with that vest. What I'm asking for. Demanding really. Is your trust in our expertise. Take the same faith you have in means when it comes to sports in apply to my in black. America's just when it comes to the issues facing our community. In Act on it. vocalise your support on social media. Talk with your families. Particularly your younger siblings about racism. Champion black leaders and organizations in your community. Demand Justice for the victims of police brutality. Advocate on our behalf in the spaces where we are not and cannot be present. Make it known that you will not tolerate injustice even when it doesn't directly affect you. GonNa take. Me? Buying on the pavement. Murdered. You to care. Reagan Griffin Junior is a rising sophomore at USC. A longer version of this piece was first published by the undefeated go to the undefeated dot com for this and other great pieces, exploring the intersections of sports, race and culture. You're listening to only a game from NPR. Cell phone footage shows police killing unarmed black people. Protesters take to the streets, rinse and repeat for a decade. Why? Ruin moves on. A blunt reminder that we've been here before. On code switch from NPR. I'm Karen given among the many athletes. Speaking out this week is former NFL pro Bowler Ann quon bolden. For bolden, speaking out is nothing new in two thousand seventeen along with saints defensive, Back Malcolm Jenkins. bolden founded the players coalition which works with state and local governments to end systematic oppression, and that same year after a fourteen year career, bolden retired from the NFL to focus on his activism full-time, but Anquan Boldin younger brother Dj is just starting to speak out and he started. Started with the football players coaches at Pokey High School in Florida due to the COVID, nineteen pandemic DJ couldn't speak to his players in person, so he sent them a note on twitter with ties. Be Very sensitive operated have to say something is not a conversation. I want to have with my four year. Osan, let alone you all. I have forty eight signs in county. Coach Dj bolden. Welcome to only a game. Thank you for having me. I want to start with the note. You sent out to your players earlier this week. What made you decide to reach out to them to be honest? Garin a lot of things that have been going through my mind, and it dawned on me that I had a responsibility as coach to say something. You know we tell parents Take care of your kid on my treat him as if he's one of my own. If that's the case, then you have to have these discussions if they feel half of what I feel. They have to be confused. They have to be going through a tore moral of emotions, and is my job as the adult as the mentor figure as the head coach vigor to address it. I feel the same way. You all are probably feeling right now emotionally. Hurt angry, frustrated and confused. I. Want to leave you guys with this. What you have witnessed over the last few days is morally wrong. Tell me about your players who are they? What kind of backgrounds to they come from? My team is comprised of. Ninety seven percent African American in the other small percentage Latino. So obviously, all the kids look like me if you will and they probably going to face the same profile in all the other stuff that goes on with the color of my skin, in non top of that is a rural area, means a little before two thousand people in the entire city, low socio economical class section, eight housing food stamps. We don't have a chain restaurant. We don't have a chain grocery store. There's no outlets for kids to be keys meaning no scale uranium a bowling alley, no movie theater. Europe Zan so. These, games already face a lot just from life itself so to add more fuel to the fire. If you will end, showed them racism in to put in their face that year. You are different. I think that's a slap in the face in kids. So you also grew up in this same small town where you now teach you us and world, history and coach football, you played on the Pokey High School football team, and then you went on to play at wake. Forest, university, and you've said football shields you. How so football man? It's a brotherhood. Obviously you see people of all nationalities, all colors of all socioeconomic backgrounds. The guy next to us guy you have to depend on is kind of one of those things where everybody has to trust everybody, so there's no room for you know the separation of race. Once you get outside of the ramble football. You have to face reality and. The. Reality is what we've been seeing over the last few days. In two thousand fifteen. Your family suffered quite a tragedy. Tell me about your cousin Corey Jones. Who was he and how did he die? Remote Gosh Corey. Gore isn't angel now. He's always been angel. Chorus was always that relative. That was supportive. He was a character. He likes to crack jokes. You know. He loves to laugh and he loved music on me. His life was pretty simple. You know. He stayed around a church. His his grandfather is the bishop of our ministry, and he played the drums for his grandfather. He used his GIF. In scale of playing drums to earn a living and that night, when when he was taken away from us, he was coming from Gig in Oh. He had performed. He broke down on the side of the road while he was waiting for rose assistants I mean audiotapes speaks list so I ninety five exit be. This is the audio of Corey's call to roadside assistance and just a warning here. This is disturbing. Is a building landmarks anything like that that I used in point here address. Unmarked police officer came on the scene, never addressed. We was, but escorted need help or good. Corey started to flee, and as he was sleeping was shot, multiple times killed. That was. Very, dark moment for a lot of us in our family, because it happens to a guy that did nothing wrong. I would rather than me. I haven't led a perfect y. you know I'm not saying he's perfect at all, but you know what means the is a guy that was a gene league. Good person in everybody that he's ever came. Encounter with will say the same thing. And in case, the police officer who killed him was convicted and sent to jail. Does that help at all? No. No I'm I'M GONNA? Tell you why doesn't help. Yes, this is some type of vindication is an anomaly if you will is, is one victory versus thousands of losses, and my family still agrees with the nation like yes, the officer is paying for his crimes, but he dolphins a has left a residue. If you will of guys that do the same thing that he's done. So every time you hear that this has happened again as it did recently with George Floyd what's that like for you? Like a knife just that's already in your bed, just going to inch deeper. It can happen to me. I it really can happen to me and I like to believe that I'm a great guy ill. I like to believe I'm a great coach like to believe I. Give Love Sacrifice I. Give my time. Yes, I have tattoos. Yes, I'm a big black guy, got a full beard I probably do look intimidating to some people, but it's a sad reality that. That could be me. For no reason. Operated God that it doesn't happen to another one family members yet alone ball children. Dan. In your nurture players. You didn't expressly mention your cousin. Am I right in assuming that's a story? They already now. Yes, you know everybody knows about the situation. I believe that's why. The message probably touched the hearts of my kids so well because they already know what we've been through. Football is a great sport, but if you don't learn anything else from the past few days learned this. There are big things in life than football. US All the resources football brings in educate yourself. Learn the law become cops, attorneys, governors, mayors, judges, or even a president. So. How did your players respond to your note? So. Feel of coach in very different high schools. This kid that I coached in Memphis Tennessee at Saint Benedict of Auburndale is a private Catholic school. He's a Jewish kid. Is One of my favorite kids, entire world and one day I told him so hey, man. I could see you into president one day. And he labs I called Bodo first of all. How many Jewish presidents do you know? I was like I, know. I know you know you you. You can actually be the first you know and he's like. Oh, you crazy! politics I'm not politics, and after I posted that message. He takes me at one o'clock in the morning. Stuff was going on right now. Really makes me consider. Will you tell me to run for office? This is such a gratifying moment because I preach a lot to my keys. You get to live to live. You get football. You get the real world life and use my brother Anquan a lot. He had a fourteen year career right very successful NFL career and he retired with thirty, five, thirty six. You Know Statistic, has it? You suppose retired sixty five so talk about thirty more years of. Of Life to try and figure out in Ancona, doing a great job integrating back into the real world, but I can guarantee you the first couple years of his retirement. He didn't know what he was doing. He probably still don't know. And I believe what he's doing with. Justice reform and NFL player coalition. It is pushing him in the direction of his path, but right now he's a news uses a normal American citizen that has to out life in now. You take this one key. That I coach at sixteen year old. Already knows what he wants to do in life. He's already the future. That's what our job is. As as coaches prepare the next generation of Jesus to be better than what we were. When you finally do get a chance to see your players in person again. How do you intend to keep this conversation going? I hope that they have more questions for me. Then I have answers is just going to force me to be more vulnerable to my keys, and I believe when you are vulnerable to keys, and you you you. You show them tell the truth. The Bun. Grows stronger. The trust grow stronger and hopefully with with data approach. I can make them a better. Human being not a better football club, just a better human beings. Once this is all said and done. I can say so much more and when the time permits I will, but I want you guys to know. Coz. Boden loves y'all and I'm always one phone call away! Protests this week have spread from Minneapolis to around the country and even the world. What do you hope comes out of this movement? I see this whole process as a grieving process. If you lose a loved one. No one can tell you how grieve right. Just were of motions of outcry and just. That, probably don't make sense to a lot of people, but it makes sense you. Everybody heals from the mourn is so important for them to educate themselves, and to take action, and I'm speaking of me I L I'l speaking to me, I already registered. To vote, I'm already educating myself on the the the mayor. The commissioner the District Attorney's. If the people of this country. Do not educate themselves. And? If they don't go out and vote, all of this would be for nothing. Period. Dj bolden coaches, football, and teaches history at Hokey High School in Florida. Dj, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me. So much care. This is the moment. I usually take to remind you to subscribe to the only a game podcast, but this week I'm going to suggest you subscribe to NPR's. Who'd switch instead it tackles the subject of race head on. You can find it wherever you get your podcasts. When a baseball card collector told long retired, MLB, all star Garry Templeton about his forty nine day road trip to meet some players whose cards were his collection templeton was confused. I thought it was like a little cuckoo and I didn't know if he was real or not. That's coming up and remember. You can follow us on facebook and twitter at only a game NPR. With civil unrest, the panic and the economic crisis. You want to know what's happening right when you wake up and that's why there is up I the news. You need about ten minutes from NPR news. Listen every day. I'm Karen Gillan, and it's time for Charlie Pierce and the week's News Hi. Charlie lie, Karen. Dissatisfied with the NFL's official statement on the killing of George, Floyd which said merely that the NFL was quote greatly saddened by quote tragic events. A group of NFL players released a statement of their own. National, Football League wrong silence in our players from peacefully protesting. Black lives matter black lives matter I. What did you make the NFL's official statement? Oh God it was awful. It was hollow. It was disingenuous. It revived the whole Colin Kaepernick thing. Everybody in the NFL should have anticipated that. And it was transparently insincere. There's no reason to believe the NFL on this issue at all. As you say the events of the past few weeks have led many to say that now is the time to sign Colin Kaepernick to an NFL contract. Do you think any teams are going to be moved by that argument It'll be interesting to see if that happens. This has been the game along which is basically to blackball him until you can argue that he's been out of football too long. That's been the long game. These guys have been playing, but it's entirely possible. The pressure will become overwhelming. So what should sports leagues be doing and saying right now? Well I think they should put their money where their mouths in terms of community, development and Community policing I think. They should start paying back to society that has made them rich basically far more than they already have. After facing backlash for telling an interviewer that he would quote, never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States of America New Orleans Saints quarterback drew. BREES has apologized I'm sorry. And I will do better. And I will be part of the solution. I am your ally. I am generally drew brees Fan, and he's done a lot of good things on the other hand. Does a person really make a turnaround in less than twenty four hours? Where do you land on this? I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the reasons that you just explained. I think he's got to get it through his head. That the people who are not disrespecting the leg, they are in fact engaging in everything that flag stands for. They are making a statement during a ceremony in which they are saying that the country is not living up to its ideals. And that's the most American thing you can do, and if drew brees has gotten to this point in his life where he doesn't know that and he's willing to educate himself. That's fine by me. Charlie basketball. Hall of Famer Wes unseld died this week at the age of seventy, four unsold, played for the bullets in Baltimore and Washington from nineteen, Sixty, eight to nineteen, eighty one, and he went on to coach the team. How will you remember him? As a big hard working center, who took no nonsense, and as the greatest outlive passer in history basketball, and as a trailblazer in terms of civil rights, he was the first African American player to be off. The Scholarship Kentucky which he turned down and to play at Louisville. The NBA Board of Governors has approved a return to play plan that would include twenty two teams thirteen from the western conference and nine from the East training camps to open on July ninth play to begin on July thirty first, and all of this is meant to take place in Disneyworld I. Am pleased you this whole proposal completely embarrassed Major League, baseball because you've got a cooperative enterprise between Labor and management here getting the sport back. Whether or not it's a good idea we'll know. Two weeks in one, the incubation period and Well as you mentioned. Charlie hopes for two thousand twenty baseball season are dwindling the players association countered the League's Plan for an eighty two game, regular season and additional pay cuts with a plan for a one hundred fourteen game season, and no additional pay cuts now the League has rejected that plan and says there will be no counter. Is it all over for baseball in two thousand twenty. It doesn't sound good. Does it I mean there's a lot of room between those two proposals. Pay Cuts at no pay cuts. Games I'll hurt in fourteen games. It's hard for me to believe that they will make the entire season augur in. It would be an enormously stupid. move on everybody's part and finally Charlie sports has returned to England. Back is I'm not even sure I. can call this sport can't i. of course you can. This is only a game I'm call everything's sports. What do you think of the return of pigeon racing? Well, apparently, the Barnsley Federal Racing Pigeons is over the moon at the return of pigeon racing to the United Kingdom. Forty five, almost forty five hundred pigeons released to fly to ninety miles home. That's a heck of a race actually. My favorite detail coming out of the story from a pigeon racer who said that the restrictions were lifted sooner than he expected, and so some of his birds weren't ready to race right? Is there some sort of extensive training camp for pigeons? Unless you've seen pigeons? Lifting weights that occurs is sports. Journalist is not complete. Pitches pumping iron I'm telling you Greg Video. Shirley peers is the guest editor of the best American sports writing two thousand nineteen. Any joins US each week at this time on only game. Thanks Charlie. Thank you Karen. Our last story of the day might seem at first to be about at particularly obsessive baseball card collector who set out on a journey to meet some of the players. He admired as a kid, but one of the things that baseball card collector found on his journey. Makes this story relevant to the news of the week? Here's only games. Gary Wallich. In nineteen eighty six, when he was five years old Brad, Baluch started collecting baseball cards I would buy the wax packs for the local pharmacy with a stick of Gum. I had my favorite players who were not the superstars? They were the more underdog type guys. Brad grew up to be a college professor who collected bugs instead of baseball cards, but in twenty fourteen he turned his attention back to his childhood obsession. The guys that I grew up. Following I never really stopped thinking about them. I was always drawn to wanting to know the stories of those players. Where are they now? Brad took his boxed up cards out of storage and started formulating a plan to learn first hand about players, or at least some of them, so I thought a good way to get at this question of you know what happened to these guys that I grew up with would be to get a pack. And whatever guys read that pack? Though are be the guys that I would track down. I mean that kind of captures the thrill that we experience as kids opening baseball cards, which was you don't know who you're going to get and you know it's these series of surprises, so brad bought an unopened nineteen eighty-six tops pack on Ebay when it arrived, he removed the Wax Rapper and pop the decades-old stick of gum into his mouth. He says it tasted delightfully gross. The pack included one player Al Cowan's who died in two thousand two, but the remaining thirteen cards were of living players. A group Brad calls attent allies mix of greatness and mediocrity. Brad Baluch Chan began planning a forty nine day road trip for the summer of two thousand fifteen. He would drive his two thousand two Honda Accord from his home in Oakland down the west coast across the south into the northeast and back again, his goal was to have a meaningful conversation with each former player about their lives. Now Brad's first stop was with rance. mullenix gracious understated. Humble. Accommodating he also met with his childhood hero former Phillies Pitcher Don Carman and also with Randy Ready Steve Yeager Hymie Kokin, our Lema Zilly Ritchie. hefner guarded and Rick sutcliffe outgoing extroverted. What you see is what you get. The abstainers were Gary Pettus Vince Coleman and the famous and famously reclusive Dwight gooden and Carlton Fisk. I disappointed that fisk was not willing to cooperate. Brad managed to spend time with nine of the thirteen living players from his nineteen eighty-six wax pack, but on his forty nine day road trip Brad had one meeting. That feels particularly relevant today. On June, twenty, fourth, Two Thousand Fifteen Brat arrived in San Marcos California where Garry Templeton now lives a few months earlier. Brad had contacted Templeton and told them about his plan. I I thought it was like a little Cuckoo, and I didn't know if he was real, and that's Garry Templeton when the pyramid at a local restaurant and began to chat. Brad says he was nervous because he wanted to ask Templeton about a controversy from his days as a player for Saint, Louis other writers had asked him about it, and you seem to not volunteer anything. So I just came out and said I. WanNa Talk to you about. The White Hers August. It is water under the bridge, but you know is something that he wanted to know so. I just told them the truth on what exactly I remembered from the incident. Here's the story in one thousand, nine, hundred eighty one garry templeton was a two time all star. overspread! That will end up at. Triple. Templeton was being paid more than any player in cardinals history, but during the nineteen eighty-one season, he hadn't been playing well in late August, he went to team physicians and a cardinal. Doctors told me that I had. Torn cartilage in my knee. Sprain some legaments ankle. The cardinals were leading their division and battling with the dodgers for the best overall record in the National League when Gary and team doctors brought the extent of his injuries to the attention of cardinals manager Whitey Herzog. Why did he told? Me Look. We. Go need down the stretch I. Don't want you hurting yourself. So you know if you hit a routine ball and you know you out. Just take your time getting down the first base because I. Don't want you hurting yourself. On August twenty six. The cardinals hosted the San Francisco. Giants in the first inning. Gary struck out swinging on a curve ball in the dirt, the ball by the Catcher, but Templeton didn't run to first space. Space. The Cardinal had committed a baseball sin, but he says he was just doing one as manager had told them to do. Of course, the fans don't know that their perception is that he's just being lazy and he's loafing Gary Return to the Dugout I mean the Fan Star Boonmee and screaming and yelling at me and I'm like what the heck is going on. A group of particularly abusive fans had moved to the front row somewhere screaming the n word at him why he was right there, watching the whole damn thing because it was closer to white it into me. Throwing ice, and all kinds of stuff at me, and that's when I stuck my hand in flipped them off. Templeton wouldn't tell me exactly what else. They said he didn't want to tell me either. But according to reports, the hecklers continued from the stands in the third inning Gary had had enough. Now I was telling them bring out here on the feel, and whatever, and that's when I grabbed my crops. The Home Plate Umpire noticed. Bruce Roman threw me out. The Game Gary walked back to the cardinals dug-out amid a torrent of abuse when he arrived Whitey, Herzog grabbed him by the Jersey and violently pulled him off the field and down the steps. The story made national headlines and. The way that this is depicted in the press. The next day is that. Templeton got booed for being lazy, and then he just flips out, and you know starts flipping off the crowd. What is not included in there is a description of all the horrible racial things that were hurled at him by the fans. And what especially upset at Templeton was that way her dog other players, they also heard. What was being said I don't know why nobody's never said anything about it, but they was right there. The to bad boys hurt the whole thing later on. Yeah Gary. We heard it, but we can say they were saving their jobs when the story was reported in the papers, Gary says only one half of it came out, so you know they were just going by what why did Herzog Dolan and you know? Whatever party said I guess back then was Gospel. Gary was suspended for three weeks and fined five thousand dollars in order to return to the team. He was required to undergo evaluation, and then they put it in this psychiatric ward for a while trying to analyze lowest wrong with him and diagnosis in, and this is where templeton basically says I was in there playing. Ping Pong all day. There was nothing wrong, but. Essentially in order to rejoin the team a couple of weeks later, they had to have the company line which is that he was depressed or he was struggling with. Some kind of chemical imbalance. And he basically just told the line and said okay fine. If that's what I need to do to get back on the field, sure of depressed, Brad Baluchi in says Gary didn't want to go into the details of that stay. And I think largely that incident stained his legacy before the rest of his career. which is so unfortunate because again when you know the whole story and the bigger context. Terribly, unfair. That's how it went down Garry. Templeton was traded to the padres after the nineteen eighty-one season he played another ten seasons, and even made an all star team for the third time in his career. As for the incident on August twenty six nineteen eighty-one. He says he's not proud of it, and he doesn't like talking about it. I moved on i. mean because nothing good ever comes from hate known stuff that you can't change so I just move on in life. Following his playing days, Templeton coached and managed for two decades these days. He golfs and spends time with his grandkids near San, Diego. Five years have passed since Brad Baluch Sins forty-nine day road trip, and he's had time to reflect on what he learned about pro ball players to some extent I was still seeing them through the eight year old is. But the things that were most impressive about them now are. Their ability to be vulnerable into be open into share some of their struggles. collectibles are nice autographs or Nice, but you know it's not about the object. It's not about the baseball card. It's about now knowing the actual human beings that are depicted on those cards, but of course garry. Templeton already knew that. Major Leaguers, people. They're human being. I mean they got hearts to they hurt. That story came from only a Games Gary Wallich bradberry. Luchian wrote a book about his road trip. It's called the wax pack on the open. Road in search of baseball's afterlife. Only a game is produced by Jonathan Chang, Martin Kessler and Gary Wallich, our technical director is Marquee Neil. Our executive producer is me, I'm Karen Given only a game returns next week. Thanks for listening.
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Which is this non tender day which we can talk more about but as you said Number of teams who might normally key players are potentially going to let them go because of the same financial straights that we still the customers. The cardinals You let golden longo. They're trying to save money. And maybe you know not lean into the wind in terms of certain players who may not have totally performed up to expectations. Yeah you know for fans that don't understand what this date means and non tender tender all those things in why. This is an important date in baseball especially this year and especially this offseason. Explain what is happening today in major league baseball. Yeah that's that's really interesting. Major league baseball is set up so that after players get six full years of major league service time then. They're eligible to seek their own employment as a free agent and wrapping up to that for players who have at least three years of service time for their fourth fifth and sixth seasons. They're eligible for their salaries to be set via arbitration. So when a player reaches three years for working fifty six year their salary start to go up in a stair. Step mode to the point. Their fifth year Players who are doing really well are gonna be earning a fair amount of money more comparable to what they might receive as a free agent in an annual salary so the cardinals are in a situation where they have five players who are reaching the first year barbara. That means they've got like three years of service and now it's the first time that they're gonna get money beyond the minimum salary in that range there. Red around six hundred thousand give or take a little bit and now they're out there. I have the opportunity to have their salary. Based on performance compared to other players in the past and that's kind of what the arbitration processes is about looking at players of similar experience of similar performance. And they're trying to set their salaries. Accordingly now they don't want teams and players to go to arbitration. They tried to do everything to get them to come to terms ahead of time. So the hearings aren't that common. They would occur in february right before spring training. But the idea is to come up with us. As i said a stair step process to give players more money now this not tender date is the date in which teams have to declare. Okay for those four five and six year players. I am definitely going to keep that player this next year. I making a commitment to that player. We don't know yet what their salary is going to be. But i'm i'm gonna keep those players around and that means that potentially the team would have to pay that player whatever the arbitration hearing ends up being and so some might say. Hey if i've got a guy that's kind of on the edge in terms of his value versus what he might make. Maybe i let him go with all these other free agents that may come on the market you know maybe i can get a better deal picking up somebody off the free agent market in terms of the the players at the cardinals have that are arbitration eligible. Let's go through some of those players and d anticipate The cardinals tendering them. At least the yes in In them a contract this year well. The cardinals have six players in the group. As i said five of them are in their first year in the arbitration process. And i think four of them are pretty much. You're guaranteed to be tendered. A contract starts with jack flirty. Who's obviously the staff and more of the conversation at jack. Clarity is not cardinals. Gonna keep twenty twenty one but are you know. Are they going to try to offer him a multi year contract and lock him down and there's some reasons why that would be a challenge right now. But clarity will certainly get tendered harrison. Baiters another one. He'll you know he's gonna make a salary increases well because of his defensive prowess then you've got the young pitchers alex in jordan hicks. Who again you gotta make a billion dollars or around about. They're not a huge amount and certainly arms. The cardinals wanna keep around the two guys that are probably in the question mark. Area one is the first year. Arbitration-eligible player john bubby and folks may remember the bubby ahead. Tommy john surgery last year. He's working his way back. He may not be ready to pitch. Probably won't be ready to pitch on opening day and the question you know which nobody can answer his houses rehab going to go over the next four five six months. Well he'd be ready to pitch in may or june her. When i ran the cardinals have to decide. But you know the reality is if grabby goes to arbitration going to make maybe eight hundred thousand something like that so in if the cardinals burgo. They're going to have to get a minimum salary player. Replace him. That's gonna make six hundred thousand anyway so the real question is how soon to the cardinal's think he can be ready to pitch pitch effectively so he could be a guy that they may or may not you know Keep the last guy. That is john gant who is in his second year of arbitration and he could make maybe a million and a half one point six million so he he would get like roughly a million dollar raise. You look at his comparison to other players again. You know was originally swing names starting to minor leagues and then he was a swing man and the last two years. He's been reliever only he's been very very effective for the cardinals We remember his success of you. Know retiring guys In the past Go grounding into double plays. That was back in two thousand nineteen Really rarely gives up home runs last season. He didn't even eat it in two thousand twenty. He didn't give up a home run at all but he missed the playoffs because he had a groin strain. So that's not anything serious over wrong but the cardinals have a lot of pitching. Have they have definitely have strengthened pitching but the question is you know to save a million dollars. Do you wanna do. You wanna let a guy john get-go re looking back to twenty twenty realizing how important that pitching depth was to saint louis cardinals interesting Financial questions coming ahead for the team. I also have to wonder too in the immediate future depending on wainwright not understanding the for sure what's happening with michael lists and you know. Israel is starter. John can't give you value as a guy that for a million bucks. If you needed to have someone start you know you go into spring training and you say well we. We know john. John is going to be healthy. He can give us some starts. And if this a year that we gotta have a guy that's a four or five we know we have thompson coming and some others that we could put in the bullpen. Maybe he's a guy that we want as starter. You know that. That's something to think about two. Oh absolutely dan. i think there's two there are two aspects of this to consider one is what you mentioned in that. Is this idea of bridge pitchers right. We've heard a lot about. I think the braves were an organization talked about this. Hey my starters statistical reasons why. I don't wanna go through lineup. A third time we know guys aren't gonna be able to pitch two hundred innings this year after not being the pitch that much last year so now all of a sudden it's gonna be really important to have a bunch of guys in the middle who can pitch the for fifth sixth innings before you get to your book in look at guys like gear pot's daily on dahmer if they're not in the rotation those guys are gonna play potentially huge role the other point i wanted to make on. Espn that if the cardinals decide that they want to go the trade route to help the offense. Sure what are you gonna trade. You're going to trade pitching depth. So i let a couple of guys go like that. The cost that much money when you're gonna walk at a depth. It's a very good point. I think it's going to be a fascinating day. Just in general with major league baseball. Not only if your cardinal fan with what's happening with the saint louis cardinals but this is the day that we've been pointing to that maybe Could flood the market with a bunch of names in the game. Just in general. What do you think what the game could be like today in terms of some big names being out there. Well first of all the population is. I don't know what the exact count. It's about two hundred and fifty players across gates. That's a lot of players who are in that score five six year salary range who art under contract already there a handful of players you know like a paul d. young for example who signed a long term contract who would be in this population if he hadn't already has a long-term deal but you know uh those two hundred fifty players and there's some big names out there kris bryant for example. Who's in his last year in you know would make i don't know like twenty million or more arbitration kyle schwarzer Gary sanchez the catcher for the Yankees hit so many home runs and then just had a terrible terrible twenty twenty Former carter tommy fan In san diego has gonna make at eight ten twelve million dollars and the padres may decide. Hey we'll go with a younger guy instead so we're going to see some big names potentially put out on the market. We already saw one happened yesterday. And that's rosario the outfielder for the twins. They apparently tried to trade him so now they put him on outright waivers to see if any team would pick him up to the idea. There would be if a team claims A player off outright waivers. That means that player goes onto their roster but claiming team then it assumes this responsibility to pay him in arbitration salary. Resigned has got hit like thirty two homers a couple years ago is a pretty good fielder only twenty nine years old so but you know he might make ten twelve dollars an arbitration. So it's again not only looking at the skills of the player but also you know. Where would he fit into your into your current budget in terms of of what we've seen in free agency the movement overall has been hardly any but when we've seen movement it's been on the pitching front right now. Brian and and really not the position front. And i gotta wonder if that changes after today. Kim said been sitting back and waiting to see who are these additional players that are gonna come onto the market but as you mentioned the case of the pitching there were several guys who were at the point where they were free agents had reached six years and their their teams made him a qualifying offer a one year. Deal to stay in. They accepted in time. Kevin gallen san francisco in marcus stroman with the met. So those guys said you know. I'll stay with my current team. I'll take the eighteen point. Nine million guaranteed for the year but then we saw the braves get very aggressive. A total twenty six million dollars on a morton andrew smiley so they filled out their rotation. We saw mike minor. Signed a two year deal with the royals and robbie ray. So there's half a dozen pictures right. There that have signed deals that pay them anywhere from from eight to nineteen million. So what this tells me is that they're you in. The middle of the market may not be quite as soft as i thought it was going to be. I kind of assumed coming into this winter. That the top free agents are going to get their money and you know everybody. Below is is not but so far at least on the pitching side. We've seen some fairly reasonable deals a little earlier than some of us may have expected. I don't know about you. I thought we would have a a resolution at this point on the designated hitter. Because i thought by december we'd have it because you've got to. Hey if you if you sit in a front office and you're trying to out a roster and you're a nationally club you've got to figure out a. d. h. You trying to figure out your team and you don't know if you have a now i would assume you're going to have that in the national league but you still don't know so that does surprise me a little bit that we don't have resolution on the designated hitter. I don't know about you. But i am surprised with that. If our folk swing ricardo nation they can read an article that i wrote a free articles for everybody to see roark last week about this. Because they're all kinds of folks who have gotten really upset and really concerned about this designated hitter issue and there's no doubt as you said there are legitimate reasons. Why deciding on the designated hitter yesterday would be a great thing. There's players like nelson cruz right. Who's who had at forty years. Old had a great year as it is for the twins but he doesn't know if he can negotiate with fifteen hundred thirty for offices as you said they're trying to set their rosters but the reality is last year. They didn't send disney here till june. Right saying you know teams like the cardinals out the the braves Gambled on mercer. They signed in a month before they knew there was going to be a designated hitter and a lot of folks myself included. Said you know you really wanna play him in left field for sixty games next year or whatever the number again. We didn't know at the time. How many games would be played. But the point is that the the brady gambled on ozone and they they ended up using designated hitter and he got a silver slugger so but to the point of the process. We have to step back and think about how decisions get made and major league baseball today. Everything that's important gets collectively negotiated between the owners and the players so first of all the owners have to get themselves together and say okay. We agree we wanna have disney hitter. Then they have to go to the players and whichever side perceives that they're giving to the other. They're going to demand something in return. I just going to say the the aren't going to just tell the players okay. Well we'll give you the designated inner without getting something in return. So let's say let's say that the that that happens worthy yours gonna ask for they'll probably gonna ask for a revised version of the expanded playoffs. Which was like the desma here. Last year was done on a one year. Only thing okay so now you wanna have expanded playoffs owners. How much you're gonna pay us players. Are you going to give us a percentage of the gate revenue and none of us know how much gate there's going to be or are you going to give us a guarantee up in by the way how big how big our roster is going to be and how much you're gonna pay in the regular season it opens up anyway. We're not getting off down to rabbit hole here is that there are dozens of decisions that have to be renegotiated every single issue that they negotiated last year. The owners and players. They have to do over again for twenty twenty one and they don't typically negotiate issues alicarte. They don't say well. Let's look at the designated hitter. She wants to decide that and we wanted the others. They look at the whole pie so as much as it would be great for designated hitter to be decided soon. I think it's gonna get tangled up and all the other decisions that get made before they ever play again in april or whenever opening day. Yeah it's a valid point. It isn't alicarte. I just wonder if this one needs to be. Because you know you're gonna look up and it's going to be january and you're gonna say oh Training is supposed to be in six weeks. And you don't know we have a normal spring training. Hopefully i'm i'm like I like to be optimistic. In that way. we don't know that yet And and it's going to be interesting too. Is that your winter. Meetings are right around the corner. Those are gonna be virtual and maybe there's some wheeling and dealing with that and that's when you would see some of this movement and we just don't know if that's going to happen to the other thing is as we talk about the beginning part of the call game you know. The free agent market is going to be flooded with players. And you're going to be. I predict they're going to be a lot of players. Went camps are ready to open. Let's saint february's normal. Who are gonna have jobs. And the cardinals were above average. The designated hitter role last year primarily because of brad miller a guy that was like you know secondary signing no no big deal couple million and granted bread nor performance slipped in the final month. There's no doubt about that. But the fact is overall cardinals designated hitters were above average in the national last year and it was a guy just off the scrap heat. So again you know. It'd be great if they went and signed nelson cruz or something like that but you know also got to pay him so i really think for the cardinals especially this designated hitter. Decision isn't really that big a deal. We all know matt carpenter's the guy who if they have a designated hitter is going to play that role anyway. So you know i. I don't see it as a big a deal as a lot of other people. That's all okay two more questions. I'll let you go. You've had great information today. You got flaherty. Baiter rao's hicks brady again all six. Are they tendered contracts. Today what do you think if it was made years would be. Yes i would say the four. For sheriff larry debater Guaranteed one hundred percent. If they weren't. I would be stunned. I'd say there's probably a seventy five percent chance gained isn't hybrid. Call a fifty fifty call. Maybe even forty percent the the cardinals could let him go but again it just seems to me to be kind of a penny wise pound foolish decision. At least the way. I the way i think of it. Okay and as always i ask you what's happening at the car donation dot com and folks. If you're thinking about a christmas gift for that cardinal fan your life subscribe Get a subscription to the cardinal dot com. Get somebody in your cardinal family. This subscription. Because it is great for minor league news. Cardinal news there's content there every single day content and it goes through historical stuff. What's happening now. So what are you working on. Right now brian. Well every monday morning we have a recap of the week across the cardinal nation. So we look at what's happening with a free agent signings and rumors and injuries and all that We have a history featuring in there where we look back at former cardinals. So we just finished our four part series on the history of whitey herzog back to even when he was a player of course. Our top fifty cardinal prospect lists for twenty twenty one continues in. We're almost down to the top twenty. So that will continue as a rate of one per day that we announced a new prospect. We also the number of cardinals between eight and ten cardinals are playing in winter. Ball in the dominican republic and mexico so we have reports every week on how the various hitters and pitchers doing as they continue to try to build their skills and position themselves for better jobs in twenty twenty one so new content as you said every day the carnation. Some of it's free some of it's for Subscribers and i guarantee you that if you subscribe you we'll get your money's worth absolutely amazon scribner and i love it and it's great stuff and we always catch up every wednesday here. Thanks brian for doing this. And i'll talk to you next week. Thanks greg thank you.
"A corner. Newsstand isn't a place you'd expect to find something that will change major league sports forever. Get there. It was in nineteen seventy seven a one inch box it and the back of the sporting news, the seaching readers to part with three dollars and fifty cents for that. They'd receive a mimeographed booklet titled baseball abstract featuring eighteen categories statistical information that you just can't find anywhere else. Nowhere did the ad mentioned that the author Bill James was a security guard at van camps, pork and beans. Plant in Lawrence, Kansas with degrees in English economics and education James's lifelong passion was baseball the booklet provided the first of many tours of build James's mind. Taking the reader deep into the thick weeds of carefully curated statistics. James would connect and theorize which pitchers and catchers, he would ask allow the most Dolan basic. James would then offer a detailed breakdown witty and cleverly written. It was purest baseball marinated in mathematics few had seen anything like it the booklet sold just seventy five copies yet. It scant readership included. Some fascinating name's Norman Mailer. Subscribe. So did William Goldman the screenwriter created Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid in the Princess bride. Another early Bill James follower was a young radio host and future broadcasting legend, Bob Costas, I actually think I was one of the very first people with a substantial platform who was clued in to Bill James. I was reading Bill James when he was mimeograph ING, his observations out of his home in Kansas, and he would send them to a handful. The people who are interested. Also among that handful with sandy Alderson, then the general manager of the Oakland A's where most of baseball ignored Bill James as mathematical gibberish Alderson, devoured it, and he impressed on his prodigious assistant general manager, the thirty one year old Billy bean. So when I came into the front office from the field, sandy introduced me to Bill James hurt a Bill James at hadn't really read to the extent that sandy had. So once I started reading Bill James sort of opened a brand new world to me because I had come into the front office a traditional route which was as an ex player that brand new world, housed ideas and spattered that trash more than a century of conventional baseball thinking sacrifice bunting the number revealed was approved percentage. Play that you'd be discouraged stealing bases. They showed is overrated. A modestly paid player draws a lot of walks can be of more value than a high price slugger. It was blasphemy yet in two thousand and two being parlay. This unorthodox thinking into a hundred three wins the same number as the. New York Yankees whose payroll was more than three times greater within two years. Michael Lewis would turn it into a legend in moneyball and rival teams who had ridiculed analytics, which soon find themselves on the phone to MIT and Soltan valley looking for help. This is Trail Blazers and original podcast from Dell technologies. I'm Walter Isaacson. Always a thrill the home team's exit Ville looking for expert guy. We like to do this morning to put these two ideas. Together owns a lifetime. Batting average of better than three hundred in the miracle. Data along with short the results, they're more than satisfactory and that symbol, right? There means baseball. Previous generations can be forgiven for not recognizing analytics as a noun and for never magic thing would apply to sports yet analytics have prompted which some called the three point revolution in basketball and football dramatically increased the number of fourth down conversion attempts in a close hockey game. It's caused coaches to pull the goalie for an extra skater for. Sooner. Yet. There was something about the mathematical major of baseball that made it the gateway sport for analytics jacking McMullan is a senior writer and sports analysts. Eddie SPN baseball is by far the most user friendly, analytic sport. It's a game of numbers always has been always will be most fans of baseball except the numbers. That's that's how you're judged when other sports have had, you know, steroid problems, or or, you know, illegal substances the reason people in baseball get so upset is because the numbers tell you who you are who can tell me how many points per game LeBron James or Michael Jordan of average in career. We don't need to know that we we measure them in other ways the numbers matter a little bit. But nothing like they do in baseball. Yet, the mathematical heresy Bill James would one day inflict on the game might never have been possible. If it hadn't been for an English born newspaper man with a problem by the late eighteen fifties. Baseball fever swept through an otherwise divided America newspaper. Scrambled to provide the latest game results to ravenous fans in those days before photographs appeared in the papers game stories were captured in small boxes listening runs and outs. That didn't satisfy Henry Chadwick a writer from the New York clipper born in Essex, England and raised on cricket and rounders. He moved to America and fell under the spell of the new game. Chadwick believe that publishing Kista ticks might help baseball mad readers visualize. How each game played out? He added columns beside players named noting foul outs and one bounce catches. Which in those days. Canada's an out in creating the modern box score Chadwick translated the game into the language of numbers numbers that held powerful secrets that would one day be used the term losers into winners. It started with a cocky player-manager who had decided that he'd had enough of being shown up by the best hitter in baseball. You all know this next fell ten Williams and he's on deck. Just itching to get up there for that. Good cut in nineteen forty six American League teams struggled in vain to find Ted Williams weakness. The Boston Red Sox slugger back from World War Two was the league's most feared hitter. And there goes Ted Williams wallet. Among confounded was Lou Boudreau player manager of the Cleveland Indians that summer during the break in a double header he hatched a plan numbers confirm would book DRO and the entire baseball world at come to believe as a left handed pull hitter Williams inflicted most of his damage on the first base side of the field. What if that could be used against him? During that second game. The time came for Williams to take his first that bat on Boudreau signal every Cleveland fielder, but one to station on the first face. I with only the left fielder covering in the deep shortstop position Williams laughed. The Chicago White Sox manager Jimmy dykes had played the shift on him five years earlier when Williams smack the ball down the deserted left lot. But this day in a rare feat of Cleveland Leeming, karma Williams grounded straight to the Cleveland shortstop, Lou Boudreau. We've toss the ball for the out Bob Kostas. They were almost daring Ted Williams to bonds or daring him to hit the ball to the opposite field and more often than not Ted just tried to hit the ball hard through it or over it. So I I don't have the stats as to how effective Boutros shift was in terms of Ted's batting average against his batting average against the rest of the league. But it must have had some at least observable if not dramatic a positive effect or Boudreau wouldn't a kept doing it. Was it the right strategy. Nobody knew but Drome had only gut instinct to guide him without hard numbers. His experiment who soon abandoned it would be a half century before new generation of data. Minded managers would research wrecked. The shift and take a new breed of baseball. Crazy math nerds to Bolden them. August tenth nineteen seventy-one a self-described. Motley crew of sixteen men a gathered in the library of the baseball hall of fame in Cooperstown. New York, they'd come at the invitation of Bob, David a rider with a PHD in international relations and a lifelong fascination for baseball statistics. This was the founding meeting of the society for American baseball research or sabre among its early. Members was Bill James the pork and beans security guard from Lawrence Kansas who would invent the word sabermetrics to describe their theories James's theories were deeply rooted in a belief that the baseball world was looking at the game all long saber Matrouh shins ditch batting average and earned run average. In favor of dense, dry sounding acronyms such as war or wins above replacement and form value over replacement player. ESPN 's Jackie MacMullan sympathizes with those fans of major sports, including basketball who are slow to warm up to analytics, it's like Einstein's Chuck board when he was figuring out equals MC square, and that becomes this quantified shooters impact, and that kind of stuff you lose you lose the average fan, and so we can use that metric for our purposes and teams use them. But there's a limit to what the fans want to hear like, for instance, in baseball. There's many many analytics people that feel the RBI now is the most useless statistic in baseball. They don't think it's worth anything anymore. Try telling that to a guy that's been taking his son and grandson to family Parker to Dodger Stadium since they were little. They don't wanna hear that. They think that that RBI's had value. Number. Crunching was nothing exclusive domain of the math. Geeks of saber other teams who sense the value of those stats use their own creative albeit less sophisticated methods of tracking archiving and studying plays, including a pair of future hall of fame managers. Bob Costas, I'm old enough to remember watching Whitey Herzog and Earl Weaver keep track of stuff on index cards, and why do use different color pencils on a chart of the field to chart where every player hit the ball. Now, they were ahead of the game. In terms of the way, they were thinking about it. But they didn't have the wherewithal to feed all this information in and then instantly get a conclusion spat back out. By nineteen ninety eight Billy bean now, the general manager of the as set about building on sandy alderson's culture of analytics, he realized that he needed an assistant who didn't think the way he did. And he found just the person. He was Paul d pedestrian a Harvard economics grad working in the Cleveland, Indians front office a dozen years later Brad Pitt would play Billy bean on the film version of moneyball Jonah hill would play a character based in part on Deepa Desta who chose not to lend his name to the moving but back in two thousand and two rivals with deep pockets at strip the cash strapped as of its star players being Dipa Desta with the sabermetrics treasure trove almost entirely to themselves. Selves said out to capitalize on their finding the case going on at the time. Then it actually for a long time was that baseball player's skills were essentially, miss priced and on base percentage. If you look at the correlation between a teams on base percentage of the amount of runs scored it had the highest correlation to winning games actually on base percentage and actually pitchers team. ERA of the thing about team ERA was that everyone knew that to be a team you had to have pitching. So really wasn't undervalued. In fact, you know, it was the highest price commodity of the game was starting pitching. So it didn't really help us as a small market team. But the on-base percentage being again, a mis price skill and one that was really pretty easy identified players, you know, again, Bill James and some of these guys been saying for years, and we were able to take advantage of that. Baseball. Always put a premium on hitting yet hit it just one of at least seven ways to reach base safely. There's a base on balls batter reaching on an error. Among others being dip addressed realized that few saw the value in average hitters with an uncanny ability to reach base. That was Billy Bean's opportunity. Bob Costas, a walk is more valuable than a strikeout is negative. If you if you offered me a guy walked thirty times and struck out thirty times or a guy who struck out one hundred and walked one hundred I take the second guy a hundred times out of one hundred. As the as came to prove they could keep pace with teams that had many times payroll. The legend of moneyball was born. Ironically, the success of Michael Lewis's book, which trip Billy bean of his advantage because it was public information. And everybody knew it it wasn't advantage that lasted very long because think the book moneyball came out in two thousand three on base percentage was discussing here with probably seven three in terms of how was valued and then really very quickly than space a year, year and a half. After the book came out, it became the highest of valued skill highest price scale out there so player skills were properly valued. So we kind of had to go back to the drawing board after that moneyball vaulted sabermetrics and eventually sports analytics into popular consciousness and transform the business of baseball. He was just a matter of time. Before it began seeping in two other sports. I grew up as somebody who wanted to be either in the tech industry or in sports, and somehow I found both. Costa Rica is assistant general manager of the NBA champion Golden State Warriors when his father Joe acquired the team in twenty ten there were few expectations to manage the last time that team had won the league title, Gerald Ford was president a Stanford graduate cook like was uniquely qualified to merge Digital's thinking with pro basketball that is one of the reasons were so successful as we've not operated solely as sports franchise. We've tried to operate as a company that's disrupting something that's trying to build something unique alternately successful over a long stretch time. So yeah, I feel very much that it is in our DNA to be part of Silicon Valley. The Golden State Warriors became an early adopter of sport view, data gathering system. I developed the Rayleigh. Armie six highly advanced cameras installed in the arena's rafters track. Every movement on the court collecting positional data on all the players the ball and the rest twenty five times per second, channeling the Silicon Valley mindset, laid Cup understood that analytics isn't just about amassing data. It's about asking the right Weston's. It's harder to kind of visualize the questions you ask or you. You tend to think they're going to be overly complicated. When in reality. We can ask any question. It may take longer to answer some of these because of the dynamic nature. But if you're asking the right questions, you're certainly going to eventually put on the right path. And I think that was absolutely something that people worried about in basketball. And and I think I've said this many times before, but, you know, asking the right question isn't always that easy. An and I actually I love to make the analogy to the Douglas Adams book and people often laugh, but the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy where they built a whole supercomputer to answer what the question was life universe and everything and it spit out the answer forty two and everyone said, well, what does that mean? It said, well, you need a smarter computer to help us figure out what the right question is. And that has always stuck with me using sport view technology, those right questions lead to advance metrics that the warriors used to build a. Dynasty, Golden State became a maiden valley. Success story reaching the finals in each of the last four seasons winning championships and twenty fifteen twenty seventeen and. When. By then analytics had long since spread beyond basketball to football hockey and soccer at about the same time. The Golden State Warriors were reaching their stride. One of the lowliest teams in major league baseball was about to teach a lesson in moneyball two point. Oh. In June, twenty fourteen readers Sports Illustrated had good cause to imagine. It's editors taken a leave of their senses that year the Houston Astros were the worst team in baseball on the cover was rookie rightfielder George Springer and a Houston Astros throwback uniform the infamous, rainbow jersey, the headline read your twenty seventeen World Series champions. The fact that Houston was so bad to our attention. You know, kind of dumpster fire my dryer. Attention Ben writer, author that cover story is a senior writer was Sports Illustrated. Well, the Astra's weren't just bad. They were historically bad. They lost one hundred six games one hundred seven games than hundred eleven games. They were nicknamed the disastrous or sometimes the last rose they were putting up local tells. Ratings of zero point zero means that Nielsen couldn't confirm a single Houston had tuned in to any of their games. This was the worst baseball team in fifty years, but something to us at Sports Illustrated into me in particular didn't add up about it though. The cover was tongue in cheek writer and his editor Chris stone when tree by the new brand of decision making in Houston under general manager, Jeff Luneau and analytic specialists sigma DAL there's a lot that unique about Astro ball for a long time in baseball at least in the moneyball era. The question was either or it was are we an analytics driven organization, or are we a traditional organization are we driven by scouting and human judgment, human, intuition, gut instinct, those really the choice for a decade or more. The Astros didn't answer it as an either or question their answer. Was we are both. We are certainly the most analytics or driven organization out there. But we also still believe in our people we believe in our scouts. We believe in things that humans can see that. Even are extremely advanced testing can't quite capture or measure. So they set about creating a regimented system of combining the two inputs to get the best really out of both man and machine now is really they're great insight. That was the insight that we had Sports Illustrated identified back in two thousand fourteen was something new and something fresh. What happened in two thousand seventeen is. Now the stuff of baseball law. Not only did the Astros win the World Series that rookie on the twenty fourteen cover. George Springer was named the series MVP with that Ben writer became the number one clairvoyant in sports people often approached me looking for predictions now, I tend to think it's always ingest. But sometimes it's not people ask me for investment advice. One guy at a book signing for my book Astor ball, even approached me and asked, hey, Ben. When will I have a child, I kind of laughed as you know. I'm not sure is that he looked like no seriously. When will I have a child, and I kind of looked at him, as you know, my understanding is that that's up to you Houston's Jeff Luneau had infused moneyball with a human question a gospel. Also, preach by Kurt leg at Golden State would chops. Dispel the myth that sports? Analytics is about creating ashore fire winning formula. What it is doing is providing tools day decision making an increasingly high stakes business. Billy bean data creates transparency with your decisions. Now when you do things you objectively could have to explain why you're doing because people all have access that same data. You just can't say make decision. Have it affect a lot of people and say just came from the gut, you know, 'cause people have again access to what the answer should. And should not be. And again that goes back to data. Now. People running baseball teams and sports teams are are doing it because they deserve to be not just because again, they might have worn the uniform. Sport tunnel would certainly have come about without Bill James in the sabre attrition of the seventies without them in mind of unfolded much differently. They were cookie group of things with the right ideas at the right time. They came together on the eve of the digital revolution. When technology would mind data with breathtaking speed and complexity who's also a time when the business of major league sports exploded today star players sign nine figure contracts with teams valued in the billions of dollars in that high octane environment transforming gut decisions with empirical data simply good business. But that logic isn't enough to around Bill James a place in the baseball hall of fame when he might be inducted as an executive or as writer dispe. Fight endorsements from Bob Costas, Jackie MacMullan and Billy bean baseball hasn't forgiven him for disrupting more than a century of conventional wisdom. But that doesn't bother Bill James who jokingly refers to himself as a practitioner of outside they all enshrined or not his lead generation of digital thinkers who've helped the sports industry. Redefine the phrase calculated risk. I'm Walter Isaacson. And this is Trail Blazers an original podcast from Dell technologies.
Joe Pfeiffer St. Louis Cardinals Director of Alumni Relations
"Hit a home run and get pre-approved for your next refinance or home purchase at the home loan expert Dot Com. Enjoy the podcast while the cardinal season is nearly here. Welcome into scoops with Danny AMAC DOT COM as we come to you from the Lou fuse automotive studios coming up in June June. Twenty fifth through the twenty eighth it is the cooperstown fantasy. He camp and my guest is the director of alumni relations for the Saint Louis Cardinals in. That's Joe Pfeiffer so we'll talk about what that camp is all about. I know some of you have seen on the twitter twitter feed and facebook and instagram. Some of the videos and pictures I posted. You might be on the fence. Should you go. Should you not. We're going to tell you what it's all about. It is an experience silence of a lifetime. Whether or not you're baseball fan cardinal's fan or just a fan of is here with some of the Great Hall of famers that are part of it. It really is a unique experience. 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Louis cardinals is seeing all the different events that they have throughout the season and throughout the off season one of those is the fantasy camp and if you follow me on twitter you saw our recent Pictures and videos from fantasy camp in the exclusive experience it so many fans get and I thought it'd be a great opportunity fortuity to bring in Joe Pfeiffer who runs fantasy camp runs our lawn alumni to talk about How you can get involved with this but also what the experience is like? We're coming to you from the Lou Fuse Hughes Automotive Studios on scoops. Danny MAC DOT COM and Joe. It's always a pleasure to visit with you. Thanks Dan appreciate it. You Bet Tell people about a fantasy camp so they sign up. What is it? What is fantasy camp? Oh Gosh a fantasy were could just come in off of it. A fantasy camps the best experiential opportunity to the cardinals can offer and I'm bias but I think we do the best one in baseball We just came off a camp where we had one hundred forty people come to camp either as a camper which a camper hamper means. You're playing and camp. You're playing seven games. You have your own uniforms your own locker at Roger Dean Stadium and we had bench coaches as well so folks that. Maybe don't WanNa play but one of experience everything else so imagine being Ozzie. Smith Bench coach David EXE bench coach for an entire week. So it's our disneyworld world experience and I think we better than anybody in baseball at thirty nine alumni including seven cardinals hall of famers the scam and that included Larry Walker after he gets the announcement announcement. Forty eight hours before that to to show up at the fantasy. COOPERSTOWN is in from New York in comes right to our opening banquet on Thursday night. He's amazing that's incredible. And you you play with these guys. I mean some of them ages can't beat age. I I've I'm figuring that out. We can't beat age but some of these guys getting uniform and they're playing with you side by side. They they are. There's twenty of them playing side by side. So you know Adrian Chambers First Camp From our two thousand eleven team Lance Berkman first camp from our eleven team Ozzie Smith this. Managing David EXE Stein's managing Ted Simmons who's going into the hall of fame and Cooperstown on July twenty six with Larry managing a team. So you're playing with against against cardinals. You've got to cardinals on your team down in Jupiter. You have another cardinal managing you so that's thirty guys right there at of our alumni base to feel ten teams in addition Daddy's got bruce suitor and Whitey Herzog and Ozzie Smith and Ricky Horton doesn't amazing job is our commissioner David Lapointe and you can't have a camp without Dave appoint his entertainment valued it a lot. Though I know Yeah Yeah No. He doesn't he gets cheered quite odd John. CASTELLO GETS BOOED A lot. Yeah that's worthy area. We don't do anything on our alumni society without Scott Terry. He is the best what he does in the business. We have such a long history with the Saint Louis Cardinals in it. It it It would be shame if we didn't recognize those alumni and keep them involved alden. I know you've done that and really made that a big purpose of what you do. Yeah I think we're one of the few clubs in Alabama actually have a sponsorship for alumni so heartland coca cola three years ago teamed up with us to sponsor our all of our alumni program in our unions are alumni weekend all of our fantasy camps in the one thing I told them as successful as we are on an annual basis aces on the field. The one thing that never goes into a slump is our tradition. We have ninety-nine l.. Tenets we have eleven world championships. We have a number of cardinals in Cooperstown Hall of famers. That never goes into a slump. Why not align with what we do best you find that the alumni? Maybe you want to do this. More than the campers don't you. It's their big reunion every January. Yeah it's hard for me. I hear from other alumni folks fantasy camp folks around the league. It's hard to get guys to do their camp. I have the exact opposite problem I have to just say no at times. And say hey we gotta gotta rotate guys in getting you guys involved in the beautiful thing is we're doing three camps in twenty twenty so it's GonNa present an opportunity for a lot of different alumni alumni begin involved in its fantasy camps at cardinals dot com fantasy camp at Cardinals Damascene Catholic cardinals dot com. Any information you need you can email and when you sign up so let's go back to that. You're going to get a cardinal uniform. You're going to be in the clubhouse where the cardinals are getting dressed getting ready to play where they hang out all those things take me inside. What a camp is really really all about boy start to finish it's You know you go into it. especially as a new camper thinking is about playing baseball and that becomes just a part of it The Camaraderie the engagement for all of our from all of our alumni all of our alumni. No if they participate in one of our camps our main objective is that they engage our campers the high level. So it's my job to select alumni that I know are going to do that are willing to do that. So lifelong friendships have been built out of this with former cardinals. Awesome new campers business partnerships have been built out of this relationship. So start to finish your uniform in your Locker Room at Roger Dean Stadium for the Jupiter Camp to uniforms you're you're going to be drafted on a roster as Dave appoint and Ricky Horton always say yes we are going to draft. You even don't WanNa draft you and and you go through a workout. You'RE GONNA play six regular season games down in Jupiter you and you're GONNA play a playoff game. Guaranteed are championship game. We call it our world series winner and loser gets rings just like the winner and loser of a world series ring but the winner gets the bigger rain in the champagne. Celebration of the DECAMP and John Tudor's team just experience you're into that with Bowen. Woody Williams just a couple of weeks ago and our goal is to provide an authentic experience an authentic major league experience and I think we do that really. Yeah well especially with WHO who we have there and women are part of this too. I think that's something that we need to address it because I I did a lot of people say well. I played baseball in high school or College. I'm not good anymore. Maybe I'll be able to do it. And they they do it but at this camp there are men and women and there are people that are advanced danced age. I don't want to say that they're old. I'd say advanced age but all types of people are coming down to fantasy camp. Bill Kersey eighty five years old from New Jersey. We Call Him Jersey Kersey Kersey. He was in our Camp John. ANAGNOSTI WHO's eighty seven years old will be at our cooperstown camp up at Doubleday field. June John Actually played on w field in the semifinals. In High School game in the forties and is planning doubleday field again is a cardinal's fan escaper. So our median age usually falls in right around fifty eighty two for camp. You have to be twenty seven or older to play in our camp but women We have four women at this camp which was awesome. Most we've had in a camp and they engaged aged in a high level and it was awesome experience that I'm I'm hoping down the road that we even get to a point where we have an all female opportunity with camps. The Red Sox do that really well. Oh and and maybe we'll get to that point point and the these sellout so we need to make sure that people understand. They'RE GONNA sell out very very quickly. You have just finished up the Jupiter Camp Yep and we have a new one coming up and I say new one. It's the next one cooperstown June twenty fifth through the twenty eighth. I've been fantasy camp. I think it's amazing but I if I could go to cooperstown astounded where I really loved to go joked about that you need to take that serious cooperstown. It is so unique It's the home of baseball and to play a doubleday today. Field is just so awesome. I mean you're planning a venue. That's one hundred years old where Babe Ruth played in the greats of the Games of experienced the game on that field and you're on Main Street in the hall of fame is right down the street so you have a family membership. That's included for the National Baseball Hall of fame so we only have four teams in that camp. It's a fourteen round robin within. But I know during the time for the other two teams. I don't worry about them because they get to go. Hang out at the hall of fame which is incredible in Ozzy's the face of this camp so as he's on on the Board of the National Baseball Hall of fame we talked about this concept three or four years ago. And so we gotta do. We're going to cardinals. Camp it cooperstown. How awesome would that be? No other team in baseball. Is doing this and so one of our dinner events is actually in the plaque gallery in every camper will have an opportunity to get their photo taken with ozzy a plaque. That just doesn't happen. That doesn't have on induction weekend. That just never happens. So we provide that unique experience. You'RE GONNA play four games a doubleday field. There's going to be a special dinner at ended the historic Farmers Museum in Cooperstown. Not The easiest place to get to. I know that you've got to fly into Albany Syracuse and drive over but if you haven't experienced cooperstown town there's not a better way other than induction weekend if one of your guys is going in which we've got Walker and Simmons's here which is going to be amazing July but this experience is really unique. Brian Jordan who does all of our camps whenever he's available says this is his favorite one. I bet what other famous if and other hall of famers will be there for this. We've got cardinals hall of Famer soon. Ozzy's the face of it from a National Baseball Hall of fame perspective. But we've got to Cardinal Hall of Famers in Ray Lankford Jason Isringhausen seal. Either play with ray or in. Jason are against them in this camp and how about other names. It'll be involved whether guys that are playing or Brian Jordan Rick and Keel so you got four heavy hitters with Jordan and Keel Isringhausen Applying in this camp and then your managers. Somebody's GonNa get Lucky and have ozzy is their manager. He's one of our managers our bosque. WHO's a club? Ambassador is going to be one of our managers along with two two guys from the championship team to rookies at that time. Dave appointing John Stupor to the funniest guys you're ever going to meet are going to be our other to manage. Is He. Was My idol growing up so being around him. He's never ever disappointed. You know. Sometimes you had an idol. In the end they meet him for real. And you're like Oh man that that was not good. Ozzy is never disappointed. He has surpassed whatever thought. It'd be like tell me what Ozzie is like at this camp. What he personally like Ozzy's incredible and I'm with you on the same page? You're my hero. They tend to disappoint. He doesn't and Ozzy you know. When he started doing camps down in Jupiter he came to John wanted to do more? I just don't want to play a hall of fame rolling kind of Rove. He's like I want to be more engaged so once we started putting him in the manager role. It's been awesome. And it's been amazing for Campers. I've Ozzie Smith is my manager for for all these Games and I'm hanging out with him and if you're as bench coach you're making decisions on the bench with Ozzie Smith. And he's he's the best so down to Earth he embraces. History like Cooperstown is really important to him the fact that he's on the Board of the National Baseball Hall of fame. The cardinals are incredibly important to him but he engages every fan in every tampered a level. Where you feel like you've been? His lifelong friend is just really unique that he had the how he does that. And again the Cooperstown Camp Is June twenty fifth through the twenty the eighth so someone is listening to this now. The racing to a computer at fantasy camp cardinals dot com. They sign up. What are they going to get? They're going to get to uniforms arms so if there are new camper you're going to get the home ivory are alternate your Saturday Jersey and our road. Grace Authentic New Nike uniforms. Nike's Nike's new this year with Major League baseball so our deadline is incredibly tight. Tighter than we thought it would be actually we. We need to have this done in registered by February twenty fourth fourth which is just a few weeks away. So you're GONNA get your to uniforms. You're going to be drafted either by Ozzie. Smith Dave appoint John Stupor or our bosque in advance the camp. You're going to be playing three regular season games. You're you're you're either going to be in the third place game or the championship game. So you're going to play for a ring to special dinner. Events one at the farmer's Farmers Museum which is our opening bank on Thursday night The next night is at the National Baseball Hall of fame a special event in the theater with Ozzie and then you did the dinner event in the plaque gallery. Sorry and then we do a team dinner night out in Cooperstown so paid by the cardinals all four teams will go out on their own and just build that camaraderie with their manager and their teammates in in cooperstown. You talk about this with pride you love this. I love this yeah I mean it's I love our business. I love our alumni. We have the best in the game where we have the most active alumni in all the major league baseball found that out with data at the winter meetings in December most active alumni in all the major league baseball incredible should be a lot of fun. So that's Cooperstown town camp. June twenty fifth through the twenty eighth get on it right now because the twenty fourth of February deadline yet avenue closed down on February twenty fourth. Israel's new Nike Joe. Thanks very sparingly for sure.
2019 Cardinals Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony Brian Finch
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The cardinals hall of fame is a celebration and that day a celebration of the organization and baseball in general enroll we live in this baseball crazed city of saint louis and it seems like it doesn't stop whether you're the off season or n._c.'s in people are always always talking about st louis cardinals baseball and so that's why the cardinals hall of fame in my mind is a combination of celebration and <hes> <hes> and looking at the history and the past and the future of what might be of those that could wear the red jacket welcome into scoops with danny mac dot com and and my visit with brian finch who heads up the cardinals hall of fame museum and also <hes> the gentleman that will really put on a great event saturday in saint louis always more cooper going in scott rowland jason isringhausen and a celebration of those three baseball famous coming back and those have been awarded awarded the red jacket coming back to celebrate with the fans what is a very special day in saint louis and that is the cardinals hall of fame for fans. I don't know i i wanted to do this. <hes> visit with brian. If you don't know what it's all about we'll get into that but also answer some just logistic questions about the day it is open to the public and <hes> if you wanna see these guys up close and if you wanna be a part of the celebration is he a role in they were your favorite players. You can be there and see their speech and see it up close. It's open to the public. It is free so we'll get into that with brian finch and also a little bit <hes> into the careers of these great players that'll be inducted acted into the saint louis cardinals hall of fame or coming to you from the lou fuse automotive studios and brilliant clarity. Thanks to lordos diamonds see their selection at lordos diamonds dot com lordos diamonds dot com men and women's jewelry all lordos and this is also presented by westport social so if you're looking for a spot to host your fantasy i see football draft. Look no further then westport social located in westport plaza. They've got jimbo. T._v.'s ice cold beer nachos wings private spacey's <hes> <hes> spaces to connect your computers westport social. Is your football headquarters visit westport social dash s. t. l. dot com for more information coming up. We'll get into it nice. Long visit with brian finch and with the cardinals hall of fame is all about are you ready for the boys of summer. Well pulled up a front row seated hotshots shots sports bar and grill for all the cardinals action this season at one of their eleven area locations during every cardinals game. You can enjoy the new hotshots triple play special featuring a large pizza order boneless wings and a bucket of blood family bottles available for a great price also will be sure to join the party on the last tuesday of each month this season for hotshots ticket tuesday and your shot to score a pair of tickets to an upcoming game. Don't forget to score one dollar hotshots tacos any day after the cardinals scored eight or more runs hotshots proud home accardo pan since nineteen eighteen ninety your home for all the games all the time find a hotshots location near you. Hotshots net dot com more features keep rolling out on those chinooks rewards app all designed to simplify shopping rewards points still continue to pile up earning you money off your next purchase but now you can create customizable all and cheryl shopping lists show for your family's dietary needs with the new wellness icons gluten free organic heart smart. It's all covered so this week simplify shopping try. The new features on the schmucks rewards app shopping will never be the same chinooks rewards download it today brian finch my guest. He runs the cardinals museum. I'm and also puts on an unbelievable day here. In saint louis really a celebration of cardinals baseball and a celebration of scott rolen jason isringhausen housing more cooper. That'll be the class being inducted into the cardinals hall of fame this upcoming saturday and and brian you are to be commended and thanks for the time time the effort the sweat blood tears the passion that you put into the hall of fame and this day. It's going to be an incredible day well. We're excited about what's coming up and we're excited every year to celebrate our cardinals history and in in particular some of the greatest players <hes> that have been on the field here at busch stadium and really bush stadiums past. It's an eight day to <hes> you know we'll see the different generations not only fans come out but to see those generations on display through the plaques through the videos and of course the inductees <hes> that were celebrating with the red jackets and the legacies and the family members coming out. Do you have a favorite <hes> moment or speech or sentence word that has come out of one of these <hes> over the last five ears. You know what's interesting to me is always the unexpected the players that maybe didn't show the emotion on the field so much and then you see that emotion come out now whether it was willing to give a man a few words to have so many words in his induction speech in that same year the first year with edmunds <hes> to kind of get choked up in his speech each or to even have a player like joe torry come back in here is a player who is celebrated. He was an m._v._p. Played in a number of different franchises but he really is. That's talk baseball man in major league baseball. He's basically the number two so the commissioner of baseball and for him to include in his speech that for this moment to be considered a hall of famer and saint louis and now it's baseball royalty to him for everything he's accomplished in the game both on the filled an off the field. What a huge honor to us what it was show of respect to us so those are just a few of my favorites and i gotta be honest. I'm really looking forward did this. Year i started with the club in two thousand four to have our two living inductees with izzy and scott rolen going in rolling was one of my all time favorites i grew up smith fan and enrolling with the you know the second coming of that great defensive infielder and <hes> in between these two these guys as you know have some of the the the driest wits the sarcastic humor and and i think a lot of fun on induction day gimme <hes> the reactions of family members or a hall of famer order to after it's done they've made their speech. They've been through it which many of them are. I'm not gonna say many of them. All of them are nervous about what they wanna say. They don't want to forget anybody. I mean everybody. Nobody knows that and you want to be respectful. As you go along the way just wanna do it right so when it's all said and done the dust is settled <hes> what's the reaction reaction that you get that day from some of the hall of famers you know i think the thing we get more often than not is the feeling of getting that red jacket and and you know it's kind of like a wedding day explained that to these inductees as they're coming along and you know it takes several months to prepare for this and i tell them it's like getting ready for your wedding and you know all these jackets are custom tailored for them. They've you know the the worst kept secret. They've tried it on before it makes a little bit of time here but the thing that we hear the most it is. I finally get to keep it on. Don't make me take this off anymore. You know so that's really a neat moment that even if it's kind of a hot summer day here in saint louis <hes> for for them to be able to get that jacket handed to them by some other hall of famers <hes> you know it's a habit on stage it might be scorching outside but typically these guys want to keep that jacket on for a little a bit and <hes> where it to get across the street to the ballpark or whatever the case might be for fans that are listening in we should mention this is open and free to the public beginning <hes> early in in saturday saturday morning. I know you guys opened the doors early to the museum and you make sure that fans have a chance to get a seat. Get a standing position and take in the cardinals hall of fame. It is so let's talk about saturday. We've got some great things going on <hes> in addition to the induction ceremony. We'll get to that in just a minute on saturday at the cardinals museum. We've got our saturday signing series so one of our hall of famers ray lankford will be signing autographs from ten a._m. To twelve pm at the cardinals hall of fame and museum. All you have to have is museum admission to get an autograph from langford. There is a limited number of autographed tickets. We try to accommodate as many people as possible but <hes> get in line early. We start handing out those autographed tickets again. It's a free ticket but you have to have museum admission to get one of those will hand those out as early as nine thirty and then that will extend from ten a._m. To twelve pm ballpark village opens at eleven o'clock so so if you want to get the the best <hes> standing room or the boost or the seating there you can do that starting at eleven a._m. Have your lunch there in ballpark village. In the induction ceremony the two thousand nineteen cardinals hall of fame induction ceremony featuring mort cooper jason isringhausen and scott rolen and of course our returning famous starts at three p._m. In the afternoon and of course course i'm talking to r._m._c. this year you. Dan have been a great emcee. <hes> this'll be the six year running that we had the induction ceremony and we're excited to have you there as well as our ownership and our other hall all of famers returning to welcome these new inductees this year yeah it's an honor and a privilege to do it and it's awesome to see the reactions of the individuals that are <hes> being honored that day <hes> which you know many times as you touched upon earlier it gets very emotional and so i'm gonna go <hes> player by player here. More cooper is unfortunately unfortunately not going to be with us but i know family members have contributed to his speech and and his time of being honoured on saturday yes now mort is deceased <hes>. His son is still alive but he's not in the best health himself more. It was the ace of the cardinals back in the nineteen forties. He's one of only three pitchers in franchise consistory to have won twenty games in three consecutive seasons. He did it in forty two forty three and forty four years for the for the teams. They weren't for our fans that aren't as <hes> <hes> familiar with those years. The cardinals went to the world series in forty two forty three forty four and they won one hundred games in each of those seasons as well. It's the best three year run of baseball in cardinals history hands down <hes> he really had some great performances in those world series in the season. So what a great pitcher oh by the way he was the nineteen forty two national league most valuable player so quite the accomplished pitcher and his place in the hall of fame is very deserving. Scott roland will jump to him. We look at him now. As one of the greatest all around third baseman you made so many great calls at third base he would you know kind of that. Ozzie smith player he would get two balls at other players wouldn't even attempt and then he would still make the play across the diamond a great offensive player as well think back to that two thousand four season <hes> part of the n._b._a. Three and and really in two thousand six he didn't win the world series m._v._p. Could've though that it may they have been a slip by curtis in that helped david exe line get that but role and ended the two thousand six season with a ten game hitting streak and actually <hes> i think he led the team in batting average and slugging percentage in that two thousand six world series so he was a huge <hes> cog in the machine of that. Oh six world series championship <hes> a great player for us for so many years there and busch stadium twos all time third baseman as voted on by the fans and then jason isringhausen as i mentioned <hes> <hes> there are guys that clearly it means a lot but when you're from brighton illinois in you you grew up cheering for the club and now you're gonna wear that red jacket every opening day and going to the hall of fame not to say it means more but man. It's awfully special well. He's made it very clear how meaningful this will be for him and let's just say this all time saves leader charles journals history anytime you're the all time something in cardinals history that's incredibly important and incredibly significant two hundred seventeen saves of the cardinals closer <hes> <hes> ranks third all time in strikeouts cardinals reliever and you know really just the dominant presence at the end of the game <hes> particularly those years for a mo- to throw oh five i mean he was at just force at the end of the game are ran into some injury issues from you know oh six though eight but he still got the job done there and <hes> it will be a lot of fun with izzy enroll in as i mentioned they got that sharp with there and <hes> sure we're going to have some some jabs some jokes and they might be jabbing at one another. I'm so while i'm curious about is he. I i know you said that you've talked to the players. You've got them fitted for the jackets in and told them a little bit about what today's going to be like. What are those conversations if if you can i don't want to pry too much but one of those conversations been like with izzy you know it's been a lot of fun with the two of them actually <hes> they have a few dares between each other <hes> some of the speeches i say there. Is you know maybe a little friendly wage. Reopen honor bank so to speak. Maybe linked the spe- maybe who might talk about this this or that or whatever the case might be <hes> i will mention this as well at the museum the cardinals museum on friday. We're going to have both of them together. Doing our flashback back friday interview series for a half hour interview so we're going to get him. <hes> in our little setting together with the seating is limited but it's also free to attend so come join us four o'clock on friday the afternoon and we'll have some fun there. Maybe we'll get them. <hes> kind of have a little fun with each other before they get on stage saturday. <hes> you know dressed up in the red blazers and how about the major league hall of famers and post <hes> cardinal hall of famers who will be there on a saturday that you know that for sure will be in attendance well. We're still working through some of those those folks but i can definitely tell you that ozzy will be in attendance ozzie smith and our managers whitey herzog tony larussa and we've confirmed that vince coleman ray lankford mike shannon jim edmonds ted simmons chris carpenter and tim carver will be joining them as well and we're we're still waiting for <hes> some of our other hall of famers to get back to us and hoping that they'll be here as well best place for fans to find out more information about this fans can always go to our website at cardinals dot com slash h. o. f. for hall of fame so again cardinals dot com slash h. o. f. thank you brian my pleasure hair. 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The Sporting Life August 30th 2020
"Crude oil is crude natural gas is pure. That's why Pennzoil's based. Oil is made from natural gas not crowed gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence for aware test using sap five W. thirty. In apple stories on and off the field toe by the biggest names in the game. This is the sporting life with Jeremy Shop on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. Welcome to another dish the sporting life later in the show will be speaking to a legend from the world of track and field. Charlie Moore won the four hundred meter hurdles at the Olympic Games in Helsinki Finland Sixty eight years ago. But I. It was thirty six years ago that an electrifying New York mets rookie from Tampa sent a massive jolt through the game. That player was dot good with two hundred and seventy six strikeouts. Young DR K established the record for first year players. Last year the Melby record book was torn up again by another mets rookie from Tampa Pete Alonso the polar bear he has a gift for slugging in rear-drive, but it's buster only reports this e sixty profile for Lonzo baseball is more than a game. It has also been his salvation. Any parallels you think baseball fishing. Absolutely. Takes patients preparation, and also you don't share scattered reports. Scouting afford on yourself as someone who fishes. every once in a while I tend to get too excited. In that can lead to not hook in the bay the right way and flying off my pros I stick with it even though if it's not like we're not catching fish. Persistent. That's that's the word. Persistent. That is definitely the word to describe Twenty Five Year Old New York mets first Baseman Pete Alonso. Stress. The battle. Fatal Lonzo as struck again. Alonso has constructed his own space in baseball's history books. And endeared himself to peers along the way are calling the polar bear. His food is hitting homers. But Pete Alonso's rise to the majors. With An. Easy. Face bullying from kids throughout his childhood. From the early years until even the most recent years. I took it personal like if you don't believe me. Watch this and then you're going to eat your words. Get up bet hip out. Of course it's the poor. Born December seventh nineteen ninety-four. Pete Alonso grew up in an upper class neighborhood in Tampa Florida. Peter just started throwing the ball and hitting it on his own. I really really really enjoyed my upbringing I mean, my mom and my dad or extremely supportive. Played a lot of baseball was always outside I'm lucky 'cause Tampa's really conducive for that. This is Peter before. Getting Ready for his first baseball game painter. Here. Yes. What he's the only one at the field crack today while everybody went home if he loved. I was old enough to understand what mark mcgwire Sammy Sosa Mike Piazza were doing like Ken Griffey junior for me. It's like I wanna be like those guys. That's What was that? One, hundred, one, hundred, eighty, their job I don't want to work in an office. I only want to play baseball. There was no question Pete was focused but to a lot of his peers he stood out. He was the biggest kid in the room and he was the funniest. The kindest and he was always goofy but he was made fun of throughout his childhood for his size those figures I was picked on for it but I mean that kind of stuff really stuck with me and hurt on the inside. I internalize a lot of things they didn't really. Fight back I was punched or kicked or something like that before but it didn't hurt like physically but it hurt like mentally I still remember who exactly did it and I still remember who was. I still remember who and I remember that. Baseball was my safe place. Someone can make fun of me in the classroom or like Aaron P. E. or or whatever. But no one will make fun of me in between the lines. Here we go. That's when I got my bag. Is like yeah you're making fun of me like I'll. At home off, you suck on that. Despite his personal struggles off the field. Alonso started turning heads on it. In two, thousand eleven, the sixteen year old started playing for plan highschool. He hadn't even met the head baseball coach at plan her school yet. And kind of walked into his office one day. Instead I'm Peter Lonzo P had to prove himself. There wasn't a time where P wasn't working while everybody was out party. He played third base in high school but a lot of people were unsure it make the game look very pretty. So athleticism all that needs some work. Skillset, but the bat was special. His senior year of high school. He just basically broke out had a phenomenal season. As a senior pete hit three, eighty, seven with seven home runs, he had his sights set on the major league baseball draft. But Scouts projected. He would not go in the first few rounds. Name's Peter Lonzo on six two and two, hundred, ten pounds. I played thirteen first base. In fact, Alonso wasn't drafted out of high school and many scouts doubted his abilities but some college programs did recruit him. Pete's ultimately decided to stay closer to home. He'd signed his letter of intent to go to the University of Florida. A majority of Scout said peace not good enough to go to Florida. There's no way he's GonNa survive there I can't believe they commit him there. When it came down to it. Wants to one of the most elite college programs. And bawled out. Peter. Alonzo sends a Moonshot. Lab. Is. Trust I. Feel. So. Bad. Was a freshman. All American. I was. I see see all tournament team Sec champion I'm a two-time college world series participant I'm an all American and then I one point I had the three longest home runs in college world series history. So the Scouts are idiots. Alonso converted exclusively to first base in college. and was on a mission to prove doubters wrong. One of whom was a teacher in a seminar. was what you deem as a successful and what successful live and what your dreams are to be said I WANNA be a big league baseball. When he got to pay per bag graded, the teacher added a note depicted here in a recreation for Major League Baseball Commercial. Like to unrealistic written on. So it's Kinda just shook my hand I'm like who's this Guy Thinking is? This guy this guy? And to pro scouts, he was a dime a dozen right handed hitting first baseman with below average defense. I'm about substance I'm about producing numbers, and if you can't see those intangibles than that's your fault. In two thousand sixteen, Alonso was a junior. In Florida was on its way to its second straight college world series. Appearance. But when he started dating a girl from out of state, he had to confront the lifelong problem that continued to haunt him. Bullying. My roommates when I was in college didn't agree with me being in this relationship we decided to do long distance and they didn't get that because I mean with distance you have to over communicate my time wasn't focused on like. Gone out being being a dumb ass or anything like that, and I was being attacked for that. So it kind of got bad to where they were just totally just turned into me about it. The roommates were also teammates and Alonso says the bullying about his relationship. became relentless. Had enough the guy that was doing it. Like. This grabbed grabbed him and Michael. You don't ever do that, and then he said meet me at the clubhouse and he didn't show up. That's the best part about it. Is really unfortunate because my head coach didn't have my back either I found out that my my roommate's. Went behind my back and told him that I needed a break up with her, and then he used that against me in the game it's like Oh, you're just focused on her. You're not focused about the team you don't care. I told him go himself in the dugout and you don't ever say that to a college coach but I did I'm following my moral compass and I'm so proud of what I did. Now, she's my fiance so it's worked out fantastically. Good for Pete for standing up for himself after all these years and All the constant belittling and. Kids. And players and coaches poking fallen criticizing in they actually drives him every day. That drive led to June ninth two thousand sixteen. Draft Day. With the sixty fourth selection of two thousand Sixteen Major League draft, New York mets select Pete Alonzo. First Baseman for the University of Florida. Right there was the start of dreams becoming it wasn't just snap of a finger is long hard work in order to get nap position. You're listening to the sporting life with Jeremy Sap on ESPN radio more coming up next. Napa know. 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Now in the world baseball, we're joined by the one and only buster only buster. Thank you for being with us. Jeremy I always love talking with you I found the pita Lonzo profile fascinating and part of it was. The fact that it was so unexpected to hear him talking about these things that he had been through which I was unaware of a and I had not previously and and I think many were unaware of. What was it like for you sitting in the chair across from him hearing him talk this big baseball star about having been bullied not just as a little kid but up through an suiting his experience at the University of Florida. Yeah. It was a surprise I I read an interview before I sat down for that interview with him in person I, read a story about how gone back old middle school and he talked to the kids about, hey, don't worry about being different being weird is okay and when I saw that I felt like okay there's something there and I didn't know what it was. But I started asking the questions and as I said before it was like putting your finger into the ground and having Oriole gusher and just came out with all these hurt feelings and experiences and remembering every person and every word and really at this point in his life having those people is massive chips on his shoulder that stay with them to this day it of course we think of in this is an unfair generalization is most generalizations are we think of the Big Star athlete a guy like Pete Alonzo he must have been the most popular kid in school he must have had incredible self confidence it's almost Impossible. To Imagine. A star like that having been bullied have you ever encountered a story like this before with an athlete? Not to that degree and Yeah Penal Asta now is one of the strongest players in baseball you know six, three, two, hundred, forty, five pounds but as I got to know him through, this is made more sense to me because Jeremy he's so earnest like every emotion that he feels is out there. So you could imagine you know when he was eight nine years old and other kids were calling him fat that they probably saw the reaction in space and you know this being a kid that beds that and I'm sure it. Reverse. Florida. This team mates probably felt like Pete would never fight back which is why you know the story he told about grabbing his teammate off the scooter and basically standing up to him for the first time he felt like that was so empowering for him to finally stand up for himself speaking with buster olney about his e sixty profile of the. Twenty nine thousand nine National League rookie of the year. Pete. Alon. So when you think about what he did last year obviously unprecedented but against the backdrop of a season, which home runs were flying out of the park away they had never done. So before what would fare conclusions? Can we draw about about Alonzo based on what he did in two thousand nineteen? He's a rising star look at never been any question about him in terms of had a having hitter tools. I think surprise some people with his ability to make adjustments from adapt to adapt. But no one ever doubted his power. He gets stories about that all the way back to his childhood, but his defense has come so far and so I think what he? Proved not only you know to baseball fans but also to the mets, you weren't really planning on having a big part of what they did in two thousand nineteen that he's someone who's GonNa be a star for a long time. We're sitting here speaking on Thursday afternoon August twentieth, and about ten days ago I'm looking at the game logs here he was hitting. One ninety-seven nine days ago he was hitting one, ninety, seven with. One home run. And now he's hitting to forty seven and he has five home runs including two home run game a couple of days ago what's going on with the Lonzo? This season? Well. I think he is very much like a player I covered with the Yankees Paulo Neil and that. Someone if you remember all Neil, he was the guy when he would make an out he would go back and he would destroy the gatorade coolers and famously one time he you know in the season witching probably at three thirty runs pass burs base after making a groundout and he yells out to the first base coach I'll never get another hit. Well, that's kind of he peaks I. Think can drive himself breezy a little bit and he's gotTa find ways to get out of his own head, and gradually we're starting to see that he's been more patient at the plate. I bet you by the time we get to the end of the sixty. He's GonNa have numbers that are a representative to some degree of what he did last year. and. Interestingly, even though he's batting to forty seven, his on base percentage at three, seventy five is higher than it was last season when he hit those fifty three home runs, maybe he's not seeing quite as many good pitches, which would be a natural thing to occur guess this year in terms of the ceiling for this guy, would you see I think he's GonNa be a perennial all star you mentioned high percentage the fact that. He's willing to take walks puts in ahead of a lot of young players. It's almost a cliche. You know the big strong guy who hits a lot of home runs and strike satellite. The question is, will they have the patience to give themselves a chance and the fact that teams able to do that I think means that he's going to be around New York for a long time? It looked timing for his assent is perfect because the. Mets are going to have new ownership old ownership didn't really spend. You can bet that the new owner coming in whether it's Steve Cone or Alex Rodriguez Group that group is going to pay pedal on so and and there's no question from talking with his teammates Todd Frazier, Robinson Canal, they feel like Pete in. So many respects is the perfect personality to play in New York. You guys aren't suited to it, but he's so generous with his. Time and he's so open and he's so much wants to do good things that we saw last year mets fans really respond well to him buster of course this week one of these old school new school baseball arguments about Fernando Tastes, swinging on three Oh pitch with his team up it made me think of something and not GonNa get it exactly right. But basically, Whitey Herzog used to say when he would be criticized for letting his guys. Run. When they had a big lead I'll tell my guys to stop stealing basis when they tell their guys stop sitting hitting home runs and. Again, it falls into this Gray area of baseball. So called unwritten rules. What are your thoughts about what happened? I thought this week was kind of a turning point in the conversation I. Thought it was so cool that maybe the first response and social media to the criticism that Tattoo junior was getting was from Johnny bench the greatest Catcher of all time who's his old school is anybody and he walked through the you know, okay. Here's the sequence. You take a strike on three. You know because that's what the old school says you have to do, and then the pitcher tries to make a pitchers pitch and then he didn't grumble play. He's like just swing the bat at Aaron Boone, with the manager of the Yankees who comes from you know families grandfather play the big leagues, his father playing the big leagues and he said You know I believe in some of that and then he causing said. But when you really think about it is kind of silly and he's exactly right. It was born out by this situation look. It's not eighth grade basketball where you know one team after getting one hundred point lead should take the press off the full court press is. Baseball. If somebody's offended, make a better pitch. Right. I mean maybe a missing some of the nuance here but that that whole unwritten rule, the three thing you know it's like, okay, you know these days you have option you don't even have to throw him four balls just put him on I. If you don't want to give them a pitch to hit right like I don't this one I mean some of it I get the old school mentality but this one's kind of mystery to me and I was looking at a piece that our colleague Tim Kirkman road six years ago about these unwritten rules, any quotes Tory Humphrey e percents with that exact scenario you know. The three swinging at the three Oh and he said. He says, Torii Hunter. The question is what happens to the guy who does what tat tasted this week he says he gets killed the next day, I mean this is this is Kind of a written in stone thing in baseball and has been for a long time one hundred percent and looking through the longtime player and now great mets broadcaster. You know he gave voice to that old school mentality. He said, well, you know what's going to happen is that peace is GonNa get the guy behind him thrown at, which is what happened. Manny Machado, came up behind him at a pitch thrown behind his head and he said it is well, that's the way it's always been why Why are we questioning Pettis junior swinging three Oh pitches opposed to the pitcher WHO's throwing the batter why is that more? Okay. Then actually trying to compete and and here's the backdrop of this to Jeremy you know this isn't a time when there's less action in baseball than in any point in baseball history because of all the walks and strikeouts, and here you have a situation where the product needs action and you know what? These junior provided a lot of great action. He's an exciting young player. Why not again is professional baseball compete to the last pitch. Well Has Been An interesting week in baseball baseball's lucky to have tattoos and Alonzo, we're lucky to have buster olney joining us. Thank you so much Sir always great talking likewise Jeremy. You're listening to the sporting life with Jeremy. SAP ON ESPN radio more coming up next. Welcome. Back to the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN APP brought to you by shelve power nitro plus premium gasoline. Welcome back to the sporting life sixty eight years ago in the summer of Nineteen fifty-two in. Finland Charles Moore was one of the outstanding figures at those Olympic Games. He won the gold medal in the four hundred meter hurdles and he wants silver representing the United States in the four by four hundred meter relay. At the end of the year he finished second in the voting for the Sullivan Award which is presented to America's top amateur athlete. He would go on to a distinguished career in business in corporate philanthropy as a college athletics administrator, and he is also an old friend of the shaft family, which is the least impressive by far of his accomplishments. It's a pleasure to welcome to the sporting life gold medallist, Olympic Hall of Famer Charlie Moore Charlie. Thank you for being with us. Thank you for taking the call and I'm looking forward to our conversation. Charlie when you think back to the summer of nineteen, fifty two. and. Forty Eight, you did not compete in forty eight year you were still teenager then, but that was the first post, World War Two games and they were set against the backdrop of of a Great Britain still recovering from world. War Two fifty two. You could say the first modern modern Olympics with the Soviet Union showing up to compete for first time since it came into existence. What are the things that you think of when when you think back to that Summer Charlie? in the first place my dad had. Representatives United States in a nineteen, twenty, four games. So he he was always. The Legendary Nineteen, twenty four games, which of course, the subject of the Oscar winning film chariots of Fire He. Your Dad was was an alternate on the.
Baseball in St. Louis Ed Wheatley
"Hit a home run and get pre-approved for your next refinance or home purchase at the home loan expert Dot Com. Enjoy the PODCAST. A great baseball book is now out for you baseball in Saint Louis from little leagues. Two major leagues. It's written by my guest at Wheatley and Ed has done so much tremendous work. That name may ring a bell for sports fans and Cardinal Fans and browns fans. He's done so much work with the Saint Louis Browns and also just keeping the memories of many people and the game of baseball alive here in town. Ed is always good to visit with you. How are things all glad to be with you? Just trying to get through this like everyone else. Hope everybody's safe in their families are in good shape and let's get through it. Go Listen Baseball Memories. You Bet Tell us about the book. What is this book all about really? This book is about the love of the game of baseball. And it's kind of an offshoot of my Brown's book where You just saw this love of the browns team but it's more than that the love of baseball in Saint Louis and you know it really comes to the fact that is so many people say. Saint Louis is the best baseball town in America. And you start looking. Why is that and it really starts with the roots of the love of baseball. We joke at the opening of the bull. Durham statement from Anti Savoy. Susan Sarandon's character where she says. I've tried all the religions I really have but the Church of baseball fills my soul day in and day out and I think that's uh so much for Saint Louis. We joked it opening day is our national holiday and you look at how people are in the summer. You know you'd be standing in a grocery store line people. Don't talk to you but you know you'll be wearing car. No hat or your cardinal shirt and there'll be a great play somebody will say agency that Catch Harrison. Bater made last night. What about you know Wong's double D C. That people talk. It brings people together whether it's just. Chit Chat or even in times of social unrest or even these economic times baseball as something that it brings people together. I wanted to explore what Saint Louis was. And that's when you find there's this tremendous history. It goes all the way back to eighteen sixty. The very first game played under the Alexander. Cartwright's rules of baseball is played at fairgrounds in eighteen sixty. That's a year before the civil war and we then have all this great history how to take from this amateur to professional to the cardinals that we have today but more importantly in there is this mass education of people from playing in High School American Legion College. And you start realizing. Saint Louis had some of the best high school programs in the country. Some of the American Legion championships. The Union Printers National Championships. All this really comes back and I think they've got a tremendously educated fan base it. You know they're the kind of people that come to the game and the other team playing the cardinals. They make a great play. Our fans are known in respected forgiving. That great play at applause boos but applause or when a guy like Albert hosts who abandoned Saint Louis. He comes back. What happens standing ovation after standing ovation is just? Why are we in this making of this this day spa town so if you had to answer that question why has it been so good what do you think the answer is simply the love the game you know it started as a time? The game started back in the late. Nineteen Century in the eighteen hundreds. Because that's all there was was baseball. They don't have TV. They don't have radio movie theaters. They don't have all this baseball. Became embedded it started as an amateur game is clubs farm to do some type of recreation is. All people had was long hours of hard sweat Labor but baseball was a way to relax. And then it became you know factory versus factory community versus community in all build out and people bonded with the game. It was something also. They're almost anybody can play baseball. You know not everybody's going to be a major league or very few but everybody boy girl no matter race religion. Whatever has played baseball in in in in our city and state so And that's the thing to this is not just about Saint Louis City proper. We go across the river into Illinois. Belleville Edwardsville new eight tenths granite city just as much as we go out West into. Saint Charles wants to fill in those areas. It's amazing what you find in the history of baseball. What did you find about little league in particular with Baseball in Saint Louis. We all played little league baseball. So what did you find out about it? Well I started. The thing is where playground Leagues were formed by the Police Department in the thirties and forties but the most amazing thing that few people realise in recognize is the Corey League which is in all fifty states and in other countries across the globe. It was founded here in Saint Louis by George Corey and is still headquartered here in Saint Louis even though the Corey Leagues have been taken over by a lot of these communities running their own programs the basis and the foundation for the Little League is the Corey leaks which is a saint Louis Product. And you know talking to you know the hundreds and hundreds of people I worked with in writing this book and actually the Corey. Leagues opened up and gave me their archives to go through. I think the proudest moment for any young kid from the fifties and early sixties was the be on Corey League all star team in. Have your team picture out in left. Field that Sportsman's park with at big iconic scoreboard in the background. I think for so many people that was one of the first keepsakes. They immediately brought out to tell their story. How about the best players? It came from Saint Saint Louis in the city of Saint. Louis I mean I've got an idea of who they might be but Your research you're the best players that you found. Well I mean that's an interesting thing in in debate where I've gone through all these years of all the great high schools all the great American Legion teams and how many men make the major leagues in. You know the estimate is about six million kids play baseball every year. And they've been doing this for you know many many decades in Albany. How few people as You well know Dan? Probably the last. I looked it was like nineteen thousand. Five hundred men played in the major leagues going back to eighteen seventy six records when the National League farm so making the major leagues is hard. And what I found for a lot of these great amateur ballplayers Saint Louis. You know some of them got hurt. They couldn't go in make. Technology didn't exist to make them better. Many of these players also said I got blocked. I shouldn't assigned with the Yankees in exacerbate example the Yankees in nineteen fifty to hit twenty four minor league teams at six hundred players. You're going to compete with and it was always. I wish I'd assigned with the Phillies are senators. I might have made it to the major race but you know we have quite a few men who made it to the major leagues. We list all those players just like we list all the players in the Saints Amateur Baseball Hall of fame but the best in Saint Louis what I did. I went through all this analysis into to each position. Three right handed starters three left handed starters and put three guys in the bullpen. And you know who were the best of the best and you know immediately? Everybody knows or should resonate Yogi. Berra's the best major league come out of Saint Louis without a question when you look at all his His World Series appearances. You know he was in the World Series Fourteen Times. He was an all star eighteen times and then people will always say well. Joe Garagiola. He's your backup was like no no there's a mandate elston. Howard who actually was Yogi successor with the Yankees and Elston at ten World Series appearances twelve. All Stars won the MVP in nineteen sixty three elston. Howard is probably the greatest African American ballplayer to come out of Saint Louis. But that's just the kind of hot stove debate. That's the beauty of baseball. Is You know who should play this physician or that physician found out? There's a man. Nobody knows about is a pitcher right handed. Starting pitcher the first man to win three hundred games before cy young Pud Galvin. How many people know who Pud Galvin is that he grew up in Saint Louis and he's in the hall of fame but The other thing is we've got great players. You know you have a first Baseman Ryan. Howard Nate Colbert Roy. Sievers played left and he played. I thought we put him Roy. Sievers was the first American league rookie of the year in nineteen forty nine. He's in the outfield With with Lee Thomas Lee Thomas. We we recognize. This is a great ball player with the angels signed originally with the Yankees was traded. The angels in sixty one had a multi years twenty or more home runs than he came back later on and led the front office activities with the cardinals went to be the GM of the Philadelphia. Phillies when they won the pennant. So there's strong people in picking this team and it's a great thing to just sit around and ask people who are the best each position and I will say shortstop was probably the hardest of them all and I was talking with Dell Max who aren't starting shortstop unsal Saint Louis Team and people forget he's got four world series ring he's got another world series appearance In sixty eight when the cardinals didn't win but he he got a ring in sixty four and sixty seven with the cardinals. Anyone out to Oakland is part of their great teams guard but finding a backup on even down when I was talking to him about it. Put your general manager had on and tell me who do you think is the best Shortstop next to you to come out of Saint Louis and he says that's a that's a good good question because so many People have asked him that in. It's hard we didn't have a lot of That's got a lot of great pitchers. I mean you know how many cy youngs. We have by Saint Louis pitchers but in the end of the day we went with the Jerry Bujak who helped the cardinals in their pennant. Years of the Sixty he was McKinley high product. I mean when you look at how many cy youngs in no hitters have been thrown by Saint Louis pitchers in the major leagues. It's it's amazing you find out sometimes. They weren't even the best under high school team. It's just that these players didn't make it up so it's just a great story to sit around. Read the book all these great players in thank who are the best coming out of Saint Louis and we Lee is my guest. The book baseball in Saint Louis From Little League to Major Leagues. We'll talk about the Negro Leagues in Saint Louis when we come back. This is cardinals broadcaster and Chinooks Shopper. Dan McLaughlin Chinooks would like to thank everyone during this difficult time. That includes those that are working in the stores as you can imagine. During this time Sh- NOOKS. Employees are putting in long hours around the clock. Best serve our community so the next time you're in Chinooks tell them thanks and that you appreciate them. Let them know how much we appreciate their efforts because we will all get through this together with the McLaughlin here to tell you about the hometown. Automotive family addressed the most the loop US automotive network and you know they are Saint Louis loop us has been a part of Saint Louis for over seven decades. They're proud to support Saint Louis in the surrounding areas with cars youth. Sports and charitable efforts. Fourteen brands ten locations just visit views dot com to start shopping today at Wheatley. Is My guest baseball in St Louis from Little League to Major Leagues the author of a New Book Head? Chronicles the history baseball in our town from the great players. Literally Corey League American Legion. All the way to the pros. It is in this book and the Photography and the research and the history here is incredible. We often talk about the cardinals or the browns and nets great. But there's also the history of the Negro Leagues here in Saint. Louis what did you find out about the Negro Leagues that as you research this and what it meant to Saint Louis Vice versa. That is a very interesting history that the Negro Leagues in the African American experience in baseball in. Saint Louis has a tremendous history in a tremendous background and Martin Matthews of Nephews dickey boys and Girls Club. He kind of challenged me as we were doing research. And I went to him to open up their archives. That American community is aware of this history. How will you Bring this out in. I think we did really well job. And this may be an expansion of that becomes the next project but you know we hear about the stars and I always tell people as you drive down highway forty to go to a cardinal game and you look over when you come upon chase. It's arena there at Compton in you see Harris Stowe in the field right there. That's where the Star Stadium. Was there at Compton market. It's still a baseball field. As part of Harris still but that is really where the stars made their great name and before the stores there was the giants in the thing the the giants played is the Negro Leagues starting to form and at that time they were just kind of playing games here and there and it's been a hundred years. This is the one hundred anniversary of the creation of the Negro Leagues in Kansas City Missouri. And that's why The Museum of the Negro Baseball League museum is in Kansas City. These that's where it was created a hundred years ago this year but the thing that I thought was really interesting the giants had an owner named Charles Mills and he kept this giants team. Going in the president of the Negro Leagues Name Was Rube Foster and foster in Mills. Did Not get along. There was challenges from both parts. Mill selected the teams weren't getting enough for their fair share. He was trying to do some Things outside the bounds of what foster light and foster really forced Charles Bills Out of the Negro Leagues and that's one another owner came in and bought them and they changed their name to the stars that little scenario right there is just so reminiscent reminiscences. What's going to happen forty years later when they Baseball FORCES BILL BECK OUT OF SAINT LOUIS and forces him to sell the team. So you know it's funny. How BASEBALL REPEATS ITSELF? You know when the Brown stockings I came together as a team that would eventually come. And be the cardinals. It started with a bear in what saved the cardinals Almost seventy eight years later was another Beerman. Augie Bush when you start connecting those stories absolutely but back to the Negro Leagues. I mean there were five men in the hall of fame who were put in From their play in the Negro Leagues from the giants in the stars in. Unfortunately we don't remember we hear about Cool Papa. Bell and we hear about Satchel page you never played in the Negro Leagues here. But he played with the browns and would be here regularly on his barnstorming tour. But we need to remember who are these men and the other thing besides Negro Leagues? There was a a league up in our St Louis. It was called. The tandy league was played at Tandy Park. Which is park located just across the street from some high school in it was the premier semi pro team. It was also like the minor leagues to the to the Negro Leagues and we had many many great ballplayers who would make the major leagues. Who played in the League so that was their experience in the segregated world so we really go into the history of the giants the stars we go into history of this Tandy league in how these men who came in play there because they had no other place because we lived in a segregated world even in baseball it was interesting to go into the book and fine is I spoke a moment ago about stars Park and we all know were sportsman's park was we know where the to Busch Stadium Downtown. Were but you know the giants played up at Clarence and Broadway. Just at the foot of o'fallon park where it makes that big been at highway. Seventy as you come downtown. Are you know you go to where the ruined slater the terriers played in those early professional teams in? Where there's really was such a concentrated grouping stadiums and my favorite story is where Robinson field sometimes called cardinal field where the cardinals When the when they originally came into the National League they came in as the browns and throughout the book. This is the thing I say. The term browns is like a cat with nine lives if the Brown stockings in the American Association of the Brown stocking at first came into the National League in eighteen. Seventy six people don't realize there were three iterations of National League teams from Saint Louis before the team that we call the cardinals joined in eighteen. Ninety two there had been two others that had joined the National League in eighteen. Seventy six for two years in eighteen eighty six in eighty five. They played for two years in finally in eighteen. Ninety two the browns would change your name to perfect those in the cardinals and they would stay to what we have today but they played at Robison field advantage. Enter a natural bridge right across from fairgrounds park in that field was last wooden grandstand in the major leagues in a burned-out and that's how branch rickey. Who had moved from the browns to the cardinals took the cardinals to play tennis in Sportsman's Park for the browns? I I kind of joke in the book. The ashes from the fire must have really worked into the the field where they played ball because Beaumont high school at one time in the late forties and fifties had more men in the major league than any other high school in America so it had to be something from those fires and that site there. Were that all happened but It's those little quirks probably one of my favorite quirks in the whole book. And you're a good southside. Dan Is Cork Ball. How late it all the time. How many people realize clerk ball was the Saint Louis Institution that nobody really knew about around the country and it was really World War Two. That's a minute services. They would go. They would take their tiny cork ball in bats or get a broomstick and teach people out of play court ball all across the country and that's how it became kind of a national thing. I have stories about Yogi. Berra teaching the Yankees. What Cork Ball isn't how to play it for us. Growing UP IN SAINT LOUIS. You know it really started with with. Catholic priests the different parishes had their own openings. And then every bar you would see these batting cages behind the bar downstairs if there was just one of the little oddities. How court ball is the Saint? Louis Institution. I'll wrap it up with this. What's your favorite part of the book? Or what are you most proud of as well with the book? I think the products of the People's saying it brings back so happy memories it touches them especially now in these times. We need something. That's happy memories and good because you could be a regular Joe playing baseball and you have stories of playing against Whitey Herzog in the new AIDS Illinois High School Team are my favorite story is Dow. Maxwell told me is dad work hours in the granite city. Steel Mill in those days only had one car and they couldn't get a manager for their their Corey League team over there in granite city. So mom did it and I said I wish you had a picture of this. But his mom would ride him to the park to have practice. She would be on her bike pedaling. He would be sitting on the handlebars holding to bats in the catcher's equipment so that his team could practice that is just the image of what baseball meant to people in those days and I'm also interested in how people react to as we spoke earlier. They all Saint Louis Teams. Who Do you think were the best in? It's unbelievable history. Everything you pointed. You don't have to be a big ballplayer. You simply were once. Watched are the women we include. You GotTa have women and I've gotten to know through the use of the all American Girls Professional Baseball League enough. The movie of the League of their own I've I've met them in part of the reunions up in Cooperstown and you know we had four ladies were stars in in those leagues. So you know. This isn't just about men this is about even the women so again. The book baseball in Saint Louis. It's available wherever books are sold my guest Ed Wheatley. Ed is always great stuff. Love the research your time that you put in this year love of the game and I know fans are really going to enjoy the book. Thanks so much thanks. Dan Appreciate again.
Mike Martin, FSU Baseball HC
"This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy shop on this show. Perhaps we don't pay enough attention to certain college sports among them college baseball. But we are honored now to be joined by not only the coach with the most wins in division one baseball history. But the coach with the most wins in division one sports history. Any sports the one in only Mike Martin of Florida's state who just want his two thousand career game in Tallahassee. He's now two thousand seven hundred thirteen in four he seventy five years old. He's announced he's retiring at the end of this season since taking over the program at Florida state in one thousand nine hundred eighty his teams have made the postseason thirty nine consecutive years twice. They have been the national runners up they've played in sixteen college World Series. He is a member of the college baseball hall of fame, and it's a pleasure to welcome to the show. Mike. Martin thanks for being with us. Coach glad to be with you. Jeremy fact, I'm honored to be with you. That's very nice of you to say. So why now I mean, you know, why why are you walking away? Now, you're only seventy five that's young man these days. Well, I'm having trouble breaking nine in figured if a retard man, I got a chance but worked only the couple of months. When's the last time you broke ninety two weeks ago, but still who's counting? Wiz. Last have you ever shot your age or we're getting to the point now where you could shoot your age you're playing enough golf to ever done that? I don't think intil become eighty five. I got a chance to shoot my. We're looking we're looking for to that you've been on the job in Florida state, your alma mater, you've been on the job since you were what thirty six years old you've lived most of your life. The vast majority of your life is the head coach at Florida say what is it meant you to lead that program at your alma mater for so long. Jeremy I think the only way that I can explain this is a never dreamed of being the baseball coach, Florida state. I was a basketball guy came to Florida state too. Try to play baseball. I was given a scholarship. I thought I was hot stuff until I found out that another state scholarship could be given to seventy five to one hundred people year. But anyway, I got to where I really like baseball and loved it all of my life. But there was something about basketball that I was intriguing to me the is the motivation the teaching and all of a sudden baseball hit me when I was in college at Florida state, and I started trying to learn as much as I could. And then all of a sudden Woody Woodward offers me the assistance position. And after that dick are offered me to pretty guys the world does too cows the royals and the Yankees manager. And Woody Woodward from the Seattle organizations I bumped into Woody Woodward a few weeks ago at a plane in Florida who's going out to Zona for meetings for the Mariners. I guess. Yeah. He texted me. Let me know he was playing whisper rock, which you know, he loves to remedy. Whisper is one of the nicest courses in the Scottsdale area. He just had the tell me was playing whisper rock while he was out there. What he shot, but he? Play. These said the meetings were going to be very boring. We're speaking Mike Martin who is been the baseball coach at Florida state since the James Earl Carter administration in nineteen eighty thirty nine consecutive postseason performances for his team's forty one overall for Florida state. Some the best players who played for you. Dion sanders. J D drew Doug McCain vich BUSTER Posey, we could go on. But you were saying how how you shifted to baseball were playing baseball in college. It just became something that I. Got a Namur d- even more when I started coaching in the summer with guys that Woody wanted meet of work with he was working with the rids, then and doing some TV come and taking and all of a sudden, I said, this this is something I really like I will never be the head coach. But let's work hard and be the best assistant coach that you can be. And then all of a sudden. They offered me the head job after dick took the Yankee job. And I was I was dumbfounded. I was so excited and. As the years went by. I just I had a real sincere level fair for this university. But because you know, Jeremy everybody, you included, oh, you wanted was an opportunity, and you took advantage of your opportunity. I got an opportunity, and I've tried to take advantage of my pretend to anybody that gets to do what they wanna do as a profession there blessed. Individuals and I feel blessed to have been able to work at Florida state for the past forty five years, it's been a remarkable career, remarkable achievements. You know, as we said at the top, you know, when you talk about college baseball. It doesn't have the same. Hold on our nation's college football and college basketball, but in the ACC. Which say has been a part of for most of the time that you've been the head coach not all the time. What is college baseball mean in that particular conference in that part of the world, you know, it's amazing. How our commodity has become so valuable, and I'm speaking of the college baseball commodity you look at programs that. Do not really have the advantages that the warmer climate schools have. But yet they're making a name for themselves because their administration is giving them opportunities to be successful. Whether it's in the way that they recruit and the ministration gives them a good travel budget, and that is something to lure outstanding players there. You look at what John shift did Maryland. And I'm maintenace it's cold up there. Jeremy? Go maybe not a lot of home games before. Yeah. I think that's what's helped our game. So much is the administrators are seeing the possibilities of baseball becoming a revenue producing sport. It's always been a revenue producing sport and many institutions. I mean, you talk LSU, Florida, Florida state and owning owning on. You've got very good ways of creating revenue. I mean, we're still in beer at the ball games now and doing very well and those sales so there's just. It's just something that. Has been really interesting for me over the last twenty years the way the game has grown sticky with Mike Martin. He is the coach with the most wins in the history of division. One in any sport two thousand winds as the head coach of the Florida state baseball team you've been a sixteen college World Series. You've been to the postseason every year that you've been on the job. But you haven't won the college World Series yet. I believe twice you've been the runners up. What about this year's this the year? Jeremy were very young. We we've we've got to. We've gotta get better in many areas, you find out a lot about your club. When you go on the road. And that's why it's so important that we play well during the season so that we can possibly host a regional tournament. It's very interesting. The way out stay. Banding high school athletes have never been challenged like they're challenged at the bigger schools. I mean, you go to a university of Florida, for example, we were there just last night. Our guys did some things that I was just astounded mean, I just had to blame myself because we hadn't worked on it enough. But there were things that were going on that you were just dumbfounded. You guys that he's looked? You're the number sixteen in the country. They're the number seventeen in the country. You had a six old lead six zero lead in the fifth inning. And you guys ended up losing that game by twenty seven that was a tough one. I was hoping you were just gonna say we lost the lead. Mike. Ain't no two ways about it. And we just have to get better. And we made some mistakes in the university of Florida took full advantage of it. And you tip your hat to them. We just got to play better. You guys are different conferences. But that rivalry. You're only a couple of hours from each other. How much does that rivalry means? You're programs. Oh, it's it's tremendous. I mean, any gator eighty Seminole looks forward to the competition. Whether it's football basketball baseball and last night, the university of Florida people were extremely nice to me presented me with a beautiful golf bag. My name on it, my number, and it's it's a big league off bag and then on top of that a real nice trip to the Saint Lawrence river in. To the Canada area. I'm telling you it. It was just a beautiful beginning. And beautifully. Let me tell you speaking with Mike Martin, we're speaking on Tuesday of this week. So that Florida game was on Monday night in Gainesville. I'm assuming that you're gonna wait until it gets really hot in the summer in the panhandle to head up to the Saint Lawrence river. Trip. Absolute that that would be the smart move in. And I should say, you know, we mentioned the m the Roman numerals that I wish I could take credit for having made the connection, but that was a tweet from your own FSU baseball feed when you reach two thousand FSU baseball Twitter feed. It's no coincidence that m are the Roman numerals for two thousand you're obviously someone with a great sense of humor in perspective about this. But when you look back at the breadth of your career, and all of the achievements and accomplishments, you're already obviously, the all time leader in wins in college baseball history having passed augury tow a couple years ago. It was last year and now and now you've got two thousand when you look back at it. What does it all mean? Oh, look at life is. If I run into Jeremy chef he's a he's a nice guy. The next time I run into him. He's the same nice guy. He didn't have a good night. Mamma wanted to go to this show. And you don't want to go to the show and things ain't really going hot at home right now. But you're still the same. Well, you go to a restaurant you like the food you going back that's called consistency. And that's what I've wanted to do with my life of wanted to be consistent. I don't believe in and being phony on purpose. Sometimes I'm phony when I'm I mean, I just got cutting picking and bears last night. Now, I'm just ridiculous because I can't wait to get started. Again, we need. We gotta go to work. Speaking Florida's baseball coach Mike born, and I've got ask you. I'm New York guy. I grew up as Mets fan in New York and one of the lost chapters of Mets history. A lot of ways we've been talking a lot about Mets history recently because of the said news about Tom Seaver the announcement that he has dementia. To the greatest player in franchise history. But one of the people who was instrumental, of course, utterly key building that neural nets team in sixty nine that won the World Series. When Seaver won twenty five games was Whitey Herzog. Who is the minor league director for the Mets in the mid sixties made so many key decisions and was such an important instructor in the Mets system before he became famous with the royals and then with the cardinals you were in the Mets organization as a player did he have any impact on you personally sewing one time he was mostly working in the AA and AAA re area then, but of course, when he moved over to another organization after that at WALDO Parise was just highly complimentary of him in the way that he was treated in that organization. I believe. It was Saint Louis. I'm not positive where Whitey went, but one of the real nice gentleman in a very consistent guy was he was a firm guy. But a consistent, Mike. I'm sure you get asked this question more than any other. But you had so many great players who played for you at Florida state incredible talents such as BUSTER Posey and Dion Sanders. GD drew some of the real great college baseball players ever. Would you think about the best player when he was in college to have played for you who first comes to mind? Jeremy that was one question that I just cannot answer because there's so. Oh so much. We had a young man named John Ford Griffin. Who son as an as Hadramut choice? I believe he was a number one draft choice. He was not the greatest outfielder. But he had this mood this most beautiful stroke that you have ever seen and to say that such and such it was in the big leagues Paul Sorrento pulsa rent played in the big still still in the big leagues. Both Sorrento hit a lot of home runs could play very well in the L feel was a more complete player John Ford Griffin. But John Ford Griffin had a stroke that you would you die for. Well. I know it's hard to pick among essentially, what amounts to your own kids when you're talking about the guys who played for you at Florida state over the last four plus decades. What about the players that you see you see all the greatest college based? Players last forty five years and beyond when you were playing as well your own players excluded. Who is the most gifted at the college level. There are a sees from Mark cut say to well, I like, Joey Bart. The guy that played at Georgia Tech last year. I was so impressed with him. We put a lot of money in his pocket. Goes he hit one that might still be rolling. He'd just. Oh, goodness. But the one that sticks out the most one that pops in my mind, I about way what a great question. The big hurt. The big hurt. Frank Thomas, Auburn, wait. Yeah. We started counting not in the seventh. But we started counting in the fourth. When we played them. 'cause we're saying oh gosh. She's got a chance to hit two more towns. Two or three. Oh my gosh. We don't want three something. Trying to get some quick out without having to face them for third time. Unbelievable player, and he was. You know, he was a heck of a heck of an athlete, obviously a whole fame. You can't do much better. And he followed just a few years after a guy named Vincent Edward Jackson played baseball Auburn as well played against but he was a freshman when we played against him. And to say that he was a threat would be alive because he was just learning the game of baseball. He was in had a a great teacher. And they would it was phoned. The fall of that career believe me, Mike, Martin has been the coach Florida state coaching the baseball team where the best programs in the country consistently for forty years. He's been there as the head coach since nineteen eighty this is his final season. He has two thousand career wins were the remarkable careers in the annals of coaching before we let you go, Mike. It's really been an honor. And a pleasure to have you here. When you think about leadership, and you think about molding young men or the most important principles that you apply. Another great question you've done this before Jeremy. Lateri will get you everywhere. Leadership is influence nothing. More nothing less. I learned that a long time ago from reading people that I'm trying to remember where I picked that up. Because obviously it didn't come from me. But it's something that I've tried to carry with me all the years that I've been the head coach at Florida state. They're going to react as you do had. I totally lost it last night. That would have been the worst thing we did some things that would make some people lose it. You can't do that. You've got to remain consistent, and John Maxwell just popped into this old feeble mind is the man who quote. It'd that in a book, you know, believe it was the assembly it was indisputable lows of leadership. But anyway, it's it's a great reminder to all of us from parents to coaches, debris breach. Yours to anybody. That is a round of others for a long period of time leadership is influence nothing. More nothing less and remember, you can't influence people in negative way. And that's not good Mike Martin with words of wisdom. And it's been a pleasure as I said have you on? We wish you the best luck in these final few months at Florida state. Thank you for joining us here in the sporting life, Mike, my pleasure and my honor. Jeremy I'm Jeremy shop, and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN. N radio and ESPN app beginning at six AM eastern time.
Wednesday with Walton September 9, 2020
"Every Wednesday we talk it over with Brian Walden. The Cardinal Nation DOT com great website. If you follow Minor League Baseball in particular the Saint Louis Cardinals. But also just general news about baseball across the major leagues is well, Bryan is always great to hear your voice. Hopefully, everybody is safe and sound, and how are you? I'm doing fine happy day to you. Sir Get those wrestles vocal chords. You're going to be doing a Lotta talking in the next three weeks I've been curious what you think of the seven inning Major League devil enters its done a lot in the minor leagues but what have you thought of how it's been handled in major league baseball. Be. Traditionalist. So I was kind of against it I started with you know turning the major league and minor leagues but I'll tell you something and and you of course, feel better than me. There's nothing better than Chris two hour fifteen minute game as opposed to you know four dollar plus slugfest and I I. Think you know teams definitely, managers manage to games differently, teams play a game with a different sense of urgency knowing that you know by the fifth or sixth inning you know pretty much running out of time whereas regular game you know they're still you know you know it doesn't outsourced to get. So you know, I think it's a good thing but the thing I. think we need to focus on that very likely when the torquing twenty one scheduled comes out there won't be any scheduled doubleheaders. This is. Really, a one year anomaly next season. You know we'll go back to the point where a double header is a rarity usually to make up a rain date somewhere. Yeah. I gotTA wonder though if the Players Association would approach Major League Baseball and again you know Major League, baseball is going to try to recruit recoup every dollar that they can but. If the Players Association would approach them and say look, we'll have a live a little give and take here we we would like some seven inning doubleheaders because it gives us maybe more often throughout the season but we both can win with extra playoff incentive by having maybe another round of the playoffs and that's where we all can win because then we could start postseason baseball earlier and end the season earlier I. I wonder if that's something that would be on the table. Well. I think it could be something that would be for the owners because they're going to say listen I in four innings of baseball every double header nets for his work of concessions that I can't sell and that there's a real dollar value on that probably but the. As listeners probably know the current bargaining agreement between the players and the owners has another year to go and this expanded playoffs was agreed to this year on a one time only basis in reflection of the of the of the schedule and all of that. So you're right in that for the owners to get the additional revenue, the TV revenue, as well as the twenty twenty, one, the ticket revenue from those extra postseason games, the players are going. To want something in return and as you said, you know more days off might certainly be something that the two sides could work on. So you know I I don't think thousand. Romo. Possibility given that could see something positive from it. Brian Walden is my guest Let's run through a lot of topics. Here's we always visit on a Wednesday the passing of Famer Lou Brock what comes to mind when you think of the Great Lou Brock. You know Lou Brock I. It's it's hard to say anything that hasn't already been said every word that's been spoken by everyone this has been true but to me. The. Fact that Mu was not only in exceptional baseball player but that he was a gentleman and he represented in literally every way. Being a seamless Louis Cardinals baseball player is about and then once he retired, he represented everything that a former St Louis Cardinals baseball player was about, and if you look back in history, you know it was really it turned out to be this orderly transition of of this this iconic cardinals baseball from Stan musial who retired in nineteen, sixty, three to lou brock joined the. Cardinals in nineteen, sixty, four seasons, and then of course, at that point in time you know nobody knew what was going to be but you know he certainly turned into, you know immediately turned into a huge factor for the cardinals and taking sixty four pending world series and you know played with the team for a long long long enough to get three thousand Hanson still. Actually leader in stolen bases even today. So you know it's it's tough to see Liu leave us you know after you know read and so many other cardinals great have left us but You know he left behind a tremendous legacy that that we'll all remember forever Blah I gotta wonder if we're ever going to see anybody come even remotely close remotely within a couple of hundred steals at say of Lou Brock in the National League of his stolen base mark season total basis I just don't see it Malik Smith last year I think it was forty six stolen bases to lead the league. And correct me if I'm wrong I don't know if we're going to ever ever because of the way the game is played see anything close to Lou Brock well, and you know specialization NBA details the the detailed information that's available to teens now is greater than than ever before and so it's much more difficult but you know they're they're unsure sabermetrics steps that talk about better ways in certain situations to move up then to than to risk of stolen base, and of course, then you also have To have someone with the innate talent that Lou, rocker Ricky Anderson has and those kind of guys just don't come along every year especially when you realize it. Yeah Lou Brock it's a lot of attention for the basis I think Whitey. Herzog, was when this you know don't lose sight of that guy had three thousand hits I, mean that's you know that's pretty much automatic hall of Fame Material School in basis absolutely We just saw the cardinals finished up over the weekend five games with. So. They're done with the season series however maybe not done with the cubs just yet because if the playoffs started today, the cardinals would be seated against the Chicago cubs. How do you think the cardinals would match you up? With the Chicago, cubs in postseason play. Well, you know we saw two teams, go five and five. All ten games were played at Wrigley Field, yeah they work fanfare, but it was still really feel. where the cuts are comfortable and the the visit close going to cramp clubhouse. It's you know it's just not I mean it's interesting place to play, but it's certainly not the most luxurious place where the the opposing team in the cardinals played even in terms of the. Number of wins and losses, but in my opinion and I probably biased. I thought the cardinals look like a better team. You know the the cubs offense isn't hitting on all cylinders. I could become. October. But right now they're not and you know Kion Darvish who August you look exceptional And Hendrix. You know they don't really have much pitching I. Think it's pretty clear lessons on the downside of his career mill. The back of the rotation guy at best and contaminants hurt obsolete is that you know it's still just a young guy trying to find his way. So you know granted the postseason scheduled could help them. You know try to stretch. Out Those two pictures I know by the way, the cubs bullpen you know is just pretty much chaos right now accepts jeffers who you know. We've seen a number of times with the Milwaukee brewers. So you know I think it'd be great achieve Carlos played again and I wouldn't be surprised in that series. If the cardinals were favored decorated, we're talking about. Today on on September nights and they're still three weeks. The foregoes clamps of began we saw dealing Carlson option back to the alternate site cardinals head to make moves yesterday with Carlos Martinez and Daniel punt stay Leone I don't know about that. I mean I get it I understand the move You're giving the young outfielder. Yet make the move for the pitching. I, you know the information at the. Site is limited on what what is happening down there. What do you think about the move of Dylan going back down? I. Was surprised to kind of get it but I'm glad I did what I wrote a week ago articles folks can take a look at the cardinal nation how it just didn't look like the cardinals could afford to have MAC carpenter and Dylan Carlson in the line of Therapy Day here you're talking about guy, you know Kossovo ps under five hundred. Car and carpet Nokia's it's six hundred, and this is a team that is struggling to score runs. They have to take advantage of every opportunity. They can and two guys that just aren't carrying a week. They gave Carlson You know. Three we pretty much two and a half three weeks to play every day but the writing on the wall by the beginning of this month. In, the seven games in September, prior to today Brady yesterday call. So we started twice and his Kurt Shriek was one for nineteen would know walks. So it wasn't the Dylan Carlson had any momentum at all yeah. Maybe he was unlucky. Yeah. Maybe he was getting pitched like a fifteen year old star like my show. But what does tim? Corker say It's the Big Leagues Man. There you go. You're in the Big Leagues Doing Carlson. You gotta punish that speech stuff or you gotta be prepared for what happens, which is to go back to the minor league and and you know continue to work on your strength and there's little doubt doing cost. It's going to be part of the plans in twenty twenty one. There's no doubt about that. But you know what is it clear is of the Group of O'Neill at Baiter and Thomas which. Are Keepers which out those guys my people on my key to when my bill three which ones those guys are keepers. It can be countered on starting to Major League and there's you know now what twenty? Three Games you know. Let's go and those guys are the guys that they're going to go down stretch and so I get it and you know for doing personally won't be. Personally, maybe staying in a major league, then you know getting regular advance. Causing, but he the same try to win games during the playoffs and you know right now go Carlson was A. Not a contributor offense. What did you think of Carlos? Martinez, in Game One of the double header yesterday. Well I. Thought that considering how long have you been since he pitched you know over a month and he did okay, he likes you more pictures over in the middle of the plane but I thought he stuff looked pretty good. He was able to throw strikes I. think that's something he can build on certainly, he didn't get any help from his defense. There was an opportunity there in what the third inning where you know double-play could have got him out of big jam and then then Guna three run home run pretty much feel that game could have gone. Very very much differently, and so you know I expect the car will get more chances to start i. don't think he's you know among the best five starters in the pen although in the rotation. But I, you know I walked admit the apostate Leo and you know showed himself well, also in game two and he probably could have pitched longer but they had fresh bullpen and you know if okay just doesn't get enough credit they came in and again we're nails I'd save in the cardinals right now in terms of the minor leagues, there's some news in terms of. Instructional camps being handed down by MLB for for the teams around Major League Baseball. Got Some Major League Baseball. Teams that they are allowed to have their instructional camps, which typically organizations do in the fall in September. October two cardinals used to do it in the fall they had moved. There's to January the last few years, but that could change this year I talked to communicate with Gary Locke farm director about this the cardinals have not yet set their plan in place, but they are definitely study end they have been studying it what Major League baseball you know provided some conditions though one is that each team has to have a dedicated coronavirus clan, of course, to handle everybody who would be around. The other thing is that they required to pay the minor leaguers who participate and that's new in the past all spring camps and structural camps, players, and receive salary. So that's a for the players but an expense item for the teams. The other thing that is interesting is that Major. League baseball has left it to the individual teams as to whether scouts are going to be allowed in these instructional camps. But if a team exclude scouts, can there can't then they're not allowed to scout. Instructional camps either and so of course, then when I requested what hey, if there's going to be a process to allow Scouts Stadium let's also consider a process to allow selected media folks in state. So we can bring to fans information about what's going to be going on because one of the things I've heard time and time again is folks are next to hear about what the folks are doing and ultimate Capriccio and really all we get from the team is everybody's doing well, well, you know. There's there's more to be learned in that but when their own eyeballs, the Games nobody knows. For sure. Minor League Baseball. There's been a major retirement concerning minor league baseball to. That's right at O'Connor who's been a longtime president of Minor League Baseball and the leader of their headquarters down in St Petersburg made the decision to retire and to me what that said is that Minor League Baseball is waving the white flag they had continue to try to negotiate a way to keep themselves in business but Major League baseball holds all the cards and the agreement. Between Major League Baseball Minor League baseball expires at the end of this month, and at that point in time all indications are that MLB is going to take over operation of the minor leagues and Minor. League get quarters will no longer exist. Now there's a positive side of that for teams because they see the NLP can help them potentially make more money through merchandising and the like. But it also removes the checks and balances of of somewhere minor league baseball had some autonomy and they could you know stand up in a in a unified group against things that Major League baseball we're doing that are optimized. One of the things league baseball his they never identify get ready to teams are going to go next year I mean they're they're going to do it. There's no doubt about that. But the longer they can link to those teams. The more teams believe that they're still in it, and that divides the the the dissension and so divided the opposition. So you know the only question right now it's going to be you know as far as pictured, which teams are going to go away but all indications are that. For the cardinals, they will no longer have a team in the New York daily or the Appalachian League starting at Twenty Twenty one. My final question would be if you think about the Zona Fall League because of the corona virus and what's going on with that. No No. Fall. League the players would have been in a normal season. The players would have been announced seven or eight players reorganization. They would have announced the coaches they would've announced the schedule and schedule beginning you know would start You're just very very soon the lack of of. News of any kind leads me to believe that teams voted down having afl this year, their significant expense involved in putting on the AFL, and even the instructional can't plan that you asked me about before Dan rumors are that some teams didn't want to have instructional because at the expense involved, and so the additional cost of these Arizona Fall League. Not. Something No. Only that. But council logistics of having you know thirty organizations apply teams players in one place. I just wasn't feasible I. Didn't think it was going to happen all along and I think he's instructional camp. Sorry A. Native. A Ra- rather than a potential alongside of the AFL. The will be back until twenty twenty one and what's Brian Walton working on at the Cardinal Nation Dot. com. Yeah, I was trying to keep busy with all the moves. The cardinals are making it. One of the articles I wrote yesterday was that sort of recap the journey that Carlos Martinez had that we learned between games included three or four days in the hospital So you know the severity of his case of covert Nike was much worse than we originally thought And so I went into detail and why? It appears to me that he's wondering if that. Options for the cardinals going forward. But there's also a lot of commentary. My analysis of doing Carlson situation y the cardinals has done what they've done as well as every other move its that's going on and continue to occur in the upcoming days. Brian, thank you as always we'll catch up next Wednesday good care down. That's Brian Walden.
DFW Coaches Managers
"In how many how many how many how many one two three five six nine ten. Who what I get up to? Hello everyone and welcome to a new episode of how many the only podcast on the Internet. That counts I am one of your host Jesse Jackson and joining me tonight are got their junior. Oh so I haven't how many topic bet it's timely. We had a total of fifty two head coaches managers between the cowboys the stars and Mavericks the Rangers. How many were worth a damn? How many acute all great grey among tape? Now okay. So how you better worth a damn that you would say that this is legitimate or business fifty two yes. So guess I gary. I'M GONNA go founding on his hand right now. He's got his fingers one at a time. Six six say eight that I think I might be Scott Five. Okay Bob. How's it going to say Hian but now that might be an overshot nine? Okay you know what I think you guys are under selling. Give me Ted. Okay now. It's GonNa Aviv very subjective when we say great worth them coaches. I think there's GonNa be some three hours in you. Said were is great is that is worth Dan higher or lower the rate lower and I have a better chance looks and what isn't considering that was like taking the team to the playoffs the discussion. This didn't leave and I think many of these that are no brainer. Shigeru you yes like with my yeah okay. So we're start with cowboys and we're GonNa Mavericks Stars and then Rangers and Rangers. There are a lot of go. Trash trash trash. So yeah landry grade on a foul Jimmy. Johnson Jimmy Jimmy Johnson. Well Good Morning Jimmy Outwit afternoon Jimmy. It would be great line. Jamie tell us it obviously wasn't your fault last night that Miami loss to Chicago. So whose fault was there's a carriage Switzer so one Super Bowl GonNa Count Him. Ah I would say oh so berry went. Does this weekend mean to you. Well Sooner Football Billy Sims Little Joe Washington Leroy Silman sellman Brothers Willie followeth Oklahoma National Championships heisman winners sooner schooner at cost me a national title eighty four Orange Bowl. Washington couldn't get damn wagging off the field. I'm putting her yelling. Damn wagging outfield national championship. Sure enough the came back next year though. Standard is great. I only over shop candy. No Chan Gailey. What's your assessment element of this two thousand eight cowboys team? least came ain't tough enough edge for one tank. Yeah I play like a bunch of minced dried informed. Girls Awesome the narrative going back this year to go to name again. I- toughen them up how I make them run a country obstacle course every day. Okay run-up Undo some tractor tires Jangle feral hog tied a Bayer to death. Cousin Hayloft with no air conditioning Campbell. They can't win some games games. We'd better might apply hopes. The Danes Batter win some games. Better my up by bill parcells us. We didn't say that discussion. So do you got he got a Quincy Carter lint off uh-huh. Here's here's parcels. He got the thing. Turn back in the right direction. I think this year's team coach parcells rush in the media. He always wanted to you know. Okay Look Asian okay Reason that I decided to write. There's team wasn't going anywhere when I love the name going anywhere right now. Okay okay all right all right all right. We'll have read it into the ground. This solution because because of build ourselves had not been here it it would have taken a lot longer. Yes for this team started being so remember. Parcels didn't even want that was not him until he saw so. Oh Yes yes yes. Yes yes Jerry. You're a no for sellers coming it qualified as cowboys only right okay. Wade Phillips Moro five and automatic flashier five in the Mexican fast. She heard that Yes can we make. We make that our fossil awesome. Thanks catching kind of. Gets you fired up getting fired up. Are you going to make you horny Jerry pornography. You're saying that Jerry we've seen a lot of things. Just wait when we've seen it all anyway. I thought I'd tell you the Jason Garrett new hopefully it won't get far and hopefully we'll get better. We'll get better in all three phases all three phases and we'll get better and all three Refaeli okay. All three major malfunction please reboot to see changes. Take effect these clothes. All remaining open application the report PLOP problems to the manufacturers were all three phases all prepaid. Oh no wow. Who's the worst head coach Italian? We're Campo get get is probably cable. I I believe Campo. His hands were tide. I mean He. He was a good soldier to always be now. Now that but I'll say this if you put anything in there reeves listens to you. Brian brought us talk or anything like that. Lives in Dallas Cowboys. Dot Com brought. US is a former scout now he just does radio and Internet and things like that. He's a lot of bundles. He'll talk about the old days and he was a scout the cowboys during the Campbell years and he said that a Lotta Scouts and the same take they never understood how they would go into these coaches meetings leagues and have Campo and all systems there and all those guys did was talking about how great these players were and the coaches. I mean the scheduler each other. Bela ah I mean. If they're if they're so great why are we five eleven but you gotta help. We need to get rid of some of these guys bringing some some of these other guys guys. These guys are terrible. No this guy's great they live. We actually all right. So we move onto the Mavericks Diktat. Yes okay John Macleod. Not This is uh-huh no no no. No no no no no no no no no no never never never heard never no never gel Jan clemens a lot from coach Clem and I will then From coach coach now I you Don Nelson yes. Nellie we don't get to catch up with you. Often tell us his life good in retirement. It's pretty good. I wake up in the morning and drop about a twenty pounder in the toilet then I start drinking and after that I guess a lot of times I eat a goat. Then pass out Avery Johnson. No her her fan. He blew the finals not his fault. Refereeing a did different mentality. If you're telling me that somebody like when the handle that differently he wouldn't have exploded a couple of times on the four now they pretty try avery. D think You think the mavs have this one. They put away Oklahoma City tonight. Thank there's out of to to have you know that we got it you know. We thought we had Miami five years ago and we got all fat and happy ban started drinking outbound on southeast breeze and limits. We blew a few moths to re. I got five I recall. I'll keep his booth up so they go get bake Okay once again. I really like avery of the voice along but I agree I gotta ago. Great player wonderful person. Avery had two good seasons and really WANNA was the settlers post. It was I post season where they the finals and the following year he had a regular season and then just ask curbs down warriors the regional MC one last he he got he got the sense. Great that after the Mavericks He went to College. I went and talked a lot some yogurt. Thank Marla yes coach better pop okay. L. On the ticket hotline is the head coach of the Dallas Mavericks. Rick Carlisle and coach. Congratulations I know. You had to be pleased with that win on Saturday night. Now Nabi please. We're in the series. You guys can go ahead and celebrate all you want but I have a few more games to coach. I don't know if that's made the paper yet. The wherever more games in the series we knew that but even has made the paper. I'll go ahead and buy some scissors and cut out the scheduling. I'll send it to you guys okay. It seems a little unknown so stars hitch. Okay Bob Gainey yes it's got. Yes Ray Captain Kangaroo. What's your name well Itchy akin hit with you know. Don't forget that I ever said that. We're just ideo. Okay okay hits you wanna lap day or good God or destiny all destiny Rick Wilson Dave Tippett Booze. Wendy Roe Jim Montgomery Eh Mickey Vernon Vicky. I'm sorry we've moved to rangers all right so it's One time yeah second time all right now we're on your ranger. Leaky Vernon was very I coach. Now Eddie Joost. You'll Hodges Jim Lemon Ted Williams hottest manager whitey Herzog how L. Forty one winning percentage dude. So he was better after he left. He was billy mark. Yes he has for Billy Martin is is he yeah. She is not only that but that's when the Rangers actually started being competitive. They they got really close. Awesome making the playoffs a couple of times. He was there FRAC- Lucie Thinki- Donnie Ryan thank. You is one. Yeah Billy Hunter. Pat Corrales Don Zimmer as third base coach for somebody else he's not getting thrown thrown Johnson. Oh wait a minute God. Aug- Raider Bobby. Valentine and you didn't do anything not really other than you ever did. Come back into the. Does the the mets that again I think that Valentine. He gave the team a really positive face. I think he he put out there. You're to the fans. There's a possibility but I agree. Something out he was there a long time to. Yes a ton of games yet toby. The Era Kevin Kennedy Lace Ohio others. It's almost as though you're from another world. It's very difficult for normal media members just trying to do their job to just as I am this world this world the way I have interpersonal relationships with other human frames. Frames haven't been able to convince you that I'm from this world difficult to deal with. You're not I'm difficult to deal with breath. Difficult to deal with up leave. I'm experiencing human emotion no no I'm experiencing human emotion experiencing human emotions human emotions been on this planet too long. Take too long. My Gosh I say that they made us. It's the first time I made the point. I was GONNA say the that's a week qualification. It is the only thing that's greatness about. That is as a Rangers Fan. We finally made the playoffs. But there's nothing. Greatest record is horrible three three years in a row records. Okay no no okay Jerry. Air Air Show water. No F- books. If your team is managed by book showalter the year after leaves. You proudly pretty good except it really workout buddy. Works Ron. Watts is yes. We can play some baseball. Anyone that knows me in the game of baseball. No Iran Washington is about. `Bout drop the antlers on 'em drop the clone their Class Act Cra what I just think. That's the way my hair growth. I enjoy coming onto ticket anytime moaning. Thank if I have my own baseball. I'm not surprised by anything. Michael Do. That's the way baseball go. I don't think he know where he is right now. Today is a great great day. For the Texas Rangers Organization. Brockman played baseball. Lamar you never know how it's GonNa it's fun time now. She's knows he knows exactly what he's he's capable of doing. The Texas Rangers today do what they do. Greatest saying greatest yes yes manager is is still borderline. Yeah you're exactly right Gary because of the ranger fan you know of of the team team with a fifty million dollar payroll goal world series of the one strike away. That's pretty awesome. Guests hung around for ten years. Four worlds yes. Right somebody achiever ages left Cham Bogor Jeff Bannister Don. Walk suty and Chris Water. The I two with yeah. He's not yeah. Yeah so if you count it up ten explains is able yes. Tom Landry Jimmy Johnson Bill parcells Dick Motta Don Nelson Rick Carlisle Bob. Gainey meakin hitchcock Billy Martin and Ron Washington. That's that's where I have messed up actually in my head when I was counting zero for the Rangers. And you didn't think of Bob Gainey you know. Can you think of my mouth was right. The team that had to the fuse coaches actually made up. A third of the cowboys made up a third of the ten. They have had the least amount right. Yeah I mean bill did a good job here. But that isn't Weiss greatness. It was you know the idea joins. Yeah and yeah. Giants years he was for real long time when he got a couple of the thing that I remember about parcels the most winning the Super Bowl with the backup quarterback else pretty amazing guess hostile hoste was they very nearly lost that one. I don't give me a here. I know he asked about the if if they had won that Seattle game but if parcels didn't leave after that season and he stayed you think an additional year so allows and seven seas at least at least one more year. You think they would've won the superbowl. At least Samantha. Anything would have gone to. I don't know that they would have beat the Patriots that year because I was undefeated season of the Super Bowl. That's when they lost to the giants simular so I don't know that they would have won superbowl but I think they could have gotten there. It seems like that was left. Unfinished a better coach. I think could have taken that him further than wasted. And you know one of the most interesting using things I fought on twitter. Was the amount of Tony Rav love about with like you've wasted Wanna DAX great things and they're like they did it all Romo's career and a lot of revisionist history would say that's true but you get some of those people that are saying that may have been left me unbothered left Romo all. Yeah I always like roll. Your regular season to do things is that people think about him. You go back and look at those games. Viking game them so bad never no chance order and Seattle game. I'll say this I don't know what the Hell parcells game plan was that day but conservative doesn't even begin to describe it Pete Hunter who we all remember getting burned up and yeah picked him about was on the street up the week of that game. They picked him up at started. They should have thrown the ball in forty five times instead. I think we we only through a twenty something for the whole gay. Were very conservative and they really should ourselves at it. I don't care what if he does not at your best chance to win. Yeah Yeah but I go back look at the game and I remember this whole season. Big Day was still alive and he and I bought about this so much. Tony Romo's beholder. Because he's the backup quarterback the season started and once they starter which was early in the season. I say they've got to get him out of there. He can't be the one to hold it. He's got too much going on yet. He can't work on practice. He's Ryan busy. You don't do that. You're mess with you got snapper you get a hold of you gotta kick our mess with the operation. Okay so about. Halfway through the season they did kick and I remember posting your member of the cyber posted in the cyber spy. Now now that's change now. Is that where they got a matter. Automatic don't even graze the God ababba mellow so much but I wonder if you had like just let solicit just say was your partner because a lot of teams again if you're putter is doing that all day long all day long all day long and I'll guarantee you didn't do that whole week. Yup is better does that one snap doesn't doesn't happen right. And you know people get mad over losing their playoff game global quarterback play well enough to win a game. Rumble quarterback put him on the doorstep of the goal. Line it all they needed was less than a pat to win that play and most people don't remember even though he dropped that snap he picked it up and got within a eyelash like I said Gramatica even if he just barely grazes yes I having role almost scored now on that point anyway. And we've seen him do some jet. I stopped it would have been this good solid. Thank you guys as for listening. We appreciate Gary someone wants to reach you on twitter at Travel Cowboy Dot Scott Underscore Mattila Bob Lukewarm tallboy. Yes junior that's gonNA dischord junior. You can email us. How many podcasts dot com you can send us a comment on Youtube Yuban are illustrious YouTube channel? That's always getting shut down for copyright infringement see search for lots of ways to reach us and Jesse You can reach me at Jesse Jackson. DFW We would love to hear from you but for for now Thanks for listening. And we'll talk to you they were.
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You are the most sceptical guy out there about you know no I'm not did he convince you that everything will be all right. I'll Tony in embitter context of Chicago when I do spend some time there weekly mostly. I'm like the Last Guy on the bandwagon everyone has jumped off in the criticism is mounting and it's a roar and so no they didn't convince us of anything last night no no feeling no because you didn't stay up and watch the part of the game that mattered when trubisky threw an interception down at the goal line in the end zone when the bear should have run the ball I blame his head coach wants more four and also Tony they can't mount a sustained drive over time over the course of a football game and they have to score when the defense gives them a short field or the defense scores itself and that's what the bears do they got force more turnovers in anybody and score often than anybody in football so did the team eighteen in terms of his offense in that context convince us of anything no okay so I told you that Chicago is going to win. Yeah I was and I told you if there's any the team out there that you could get well against the three touchdown pass so not only might not only six to thirty one on third down. Mike Nine of ten ten of eleven limit one hundred thirty three yards in the last week or the bears more to you. I'm I'm asking you to me on a big stage. Trubisky was fine and not only that he's a very good athlete and on the move he throws well. So why don't they build in a package of movement for it was interesting because there was talk about that during the game last night this talk about all the time trubisky throws bitter completes more passes gets the ball downfield when he's on the move or three at some point. You got to learn how to play the game from the pocket wasn't that always criticism of guys like Michael Vick certain Steve Young tells us that every week you can make all these patacula place but one thing that he had to do was learn to control the game the pocket we'll tell you up trubisky played well last night. Are we convinced was a pretty good team. Great Division Greenish Alias Three Detroit is to our vision soda. Did you really good team in the big game with invites this Sunday in Chicago and one teams overall happy but you went to bed before the drama if not for the fourth and inches turnover the thing would have gotten closer twenty eight nothing in the second quarter awake some the nighttime awake at night time we have to zero in more on the once proud but now pathetic nick Washington redskins their own three their best lineman is still holding out home fans who do show up and fewer of them spend most of the game booing man booger McFarland. He had a stones to say accurately last night that the firing of Jay Gruden is a matter of win not if so we're in the world. Do you redskins go from here not rock bottom. I mean you can smell rock bottom rock bottom. I would say the dolphins in the jets. I mean it's a couple of floors down. I'll tell you I'll I'll give you that the redskins they're terrible you. You can change coaches if you want but I don't know that there's anybody on the staff. That's going to turn this around. The defense has now oh allowed thirty or more points in each of the first three games. Only the dolphins have allowed more points and they are not trying to win you mentioned the offensive Lineman Trent Williams Liam's you got trade him. You gotta get picks you get a low railing pick. You got to trade him right now but just fine. You just zeroed in perfectly all sort of what plagued exam right now this season. I don't even care about that. Tony half the stands were empty last night in Washington. DC The stains were half fifty and half of the people who were wearing the navy and Orange Chicago bears. This is a stunning thing they boo the home team. They don't like the home team to me. The craziest stat out there is the redskins have now lost something like seventeen of eighteen Monday night games home goes back a long way. This says this isn't it. This is a huge deal where the redskins go from here. The franchise looks to be in peril so he has fallen in King if they're worse than the dolphins offense and they're worse than the jets over all picture here is what they are looking to do simply on the field at some point if they go and five giants and then then they lose to New England and they take case keenum out who's been fine. He was bad last night but he's been all right and they put into Wayne Haskins. Maybe they do it. What about Colt? mcclay didn't know anyway practice. I read no no then. Maybe they even do it against Daniel Jones next week but let me get to the overarching theme bring up. I got here in nineteen seventy nine. You got here in nineteen eighty. I came from New York. You came from Chicago New York. This two of everything I had never been anywhere in my life where a franchise was more important to city than the Washington redskins were to Washington. DC everybody wore the colors. Everybody cared about everything because at that time it was a bad hockey team was a marginal basketball team first round playoff season out and there was no baseball in the hold hold on the city was enormous. When it was Dallas Week? It was the most important thing all week I it was covered dispatched to Dallas Dallas for the whole week and last week and this week was Monday night football and it was a flat line in the city this franchise to your your point about Miami in the jets. This is has fallen to a depth that is to me unbelievable happening live to you that long can't fathom it and and where did they go. I don't know I don't know I don't know they'd literally have fallen and cannot get up. I think the NCAA has charged Kansas with a lack of institutional control and has charged bill self with head coach responsibility violations. There are five level one violations in the docket they each carry postseason bans ranging being from one to five years and each carries a one-year ban of the coach self in Kansas said they will fight these charges vigorously will bond how does this end for self for Kansas and for college basketball and I'm not jumping ahead to the end. I don't think it matters and Tony I think this is covered by the context is thirty thirty five years the NCW would run out they would investigate they would either back down. Get Back Down told to go to hell. They have no power subpoena. They can never really do what they wanted to do. And I think the people who follow college basketball just distant enough you threaten this. How many times do you WanNa cry wolf and have US pay attention attention? We're done with you and they've done with the NC Double A. and their investigations for ten fifteen years and I think I'm sorry to be the cynic here. I think this doesn't mean Jack. I don't think it means much to college basketball. I think the one thing it could do that would be salutary is if it hastened the end of the one because that's the kinds of the players would talking about over there just for one year. They're not just what you think. Those are that's done anyway. I think it's done but I think it would be done quicker but I will say this having seen Rick Pitino go out I they were more extenuating personal circumstances yeah but I'm GonNa tell you quite frankly here and I like bill self. I'm not going to be stunned at bill self goes out on this. I'm not going to be stunned if he ends up in the NBA. Were a lot of teams would like to have them and if he going out allows Kansas to avoid much of this is bill self has said I'm in control here. I know everything that's going on. We know you and I know players get paid. They get paid by sneaker companies please. They get paid by agents. They get paid way coaches. They get paid by booster. Yeah maybe bill self doesn't notice but says I'm completely informed players. Get pay what to what end Tony so okay. If that's the case and it's been the case we'd just acknowledge. We think it's been the case yes so how does this differ from anything we've already known and the only only difference here is that the NCAA is so embarrassed by these federal trials that they might act in a manner than they are going to act harsh but yet the people who are most implicated in these federal trials what's happening to them. A couple of them are actually going into cable in the what's going to happen to the school. What's GonNa Happen to the landscape of college basketball? I'm telling you it consists in Arizona. Get mentioned so often in this. I would not be surprised if if the coaches were elsewhere in Kansas not gonNA stand behind bill. I'm behind him. I think he'll don't talk think it's too soon to talk about the NBA season which starts in a month. I can't wait to drag you into the twenty twenty mock draft on that the primary subject here is Lamello ball who was playing so well in Australia in the pros this town that NBA scouts are projecting him as potentially the number one overall pick in a story by ESPN's Jonathan Vanni various evaluators quoted as saying Lonzo's council's youngest brother has all skills to be a star in the NBA. So what's your reaction now to this very surprised. I thought we were done with the family. Lonzo was in exile in New Orleans second brother. I guess he's the Point Guard to you boy. What's the heck yeah but the second brother I thought it was in Lithuanian state and in Lithuania point this kid was I remember him from clips because you only see clips he was a basket hanger a ball high school and then when he went to Lithuania and then somehow ended up in another high school? I I don't know how this works. I don't know how good the Australia's it's good on reflection if he would actually be the number one picking the NBA stunner wouldn't it and then he and his brother would have gone one and two in the NBA. That's pretty I I would stand back I would I would say right. That's even higher than the king brothers and these kids ain't the Kane brothers they don't they are now but that is sort of level of accomplishment Bernardin Albert but I'm stunned but I had to hear this all summer my nephew and son their financial. They don't just just talk about it. They say we're bosses in China and they have video and they come up look what he's doing. He hit a triple double last night. You sow smack you get that out of my face and now I gotta give in to them and say oh you may have been right you too little punks about Lamelo ball would only seems to have all the skills it what six seven seven six eight clips out the field to be fair is maybe the best league in the world that would an NBA team name. Take Him and take on the Var Boulevard do that you heard Lavar last eight to ten months have any kids been drafted and last eight to ten but he they they one of the things people believe about this read. This piece is that he's The dad has left him alone and maybe he can grow in his own and find his own mentors and find his own way. Maybe do you believe that take a break coming up Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson face each other this weekend had the better career. I'm old and skipped the chiefs and the Patriots both are three and always team is more likely to be upset this weekend. 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We'll HAP- The greater career Baker Mayfield or Lamar Jackson so this is hard because Lamar Jackson looks like a fee nom right now but Lamar Jackson has the body and the style of play that can get him her yeah and when I look at him part of Me Sees Robert Zero same painting Baker Mayfield. I know you don't like Baker Mayfield but I'm tired of Mayfield in his first thirteen starts at twenty seven touchdown passes Lamar Jackson in his first ten starts has thirteen. I think teammates like Baker Mayfield I worry about Lamar Jackson's arena but you and I are blinded by a bias awesome is Robert Griffin did with the risk that's right. That's true but Tony he's not Robert Griffin. He's he's his own guy and Lamar Jackson. I understand that he seems unbelievably. Cultural which at that position where you're coming situation with was so much doubt about you in the first base he seems to have embraced that and they and playing for coach we know was attract record and we trust you boy make Baker Mayfield. All I know is last week when he had to hold onto the ball for three seconds he could make a play with us. Eighty couldn't find the receiver he couldn't tell you what does that say both and they both are charismatic next toss up better former former Brady backup Jimmy Garoppolo or Jacoby perset I lots of stats here the forty niners with Garoppolo the culture two and one percent Garoppolos appolos eleven into an NFL starts in percent is seven and thirteen but percents having seen percent had a bad team before four to seven touchdowns in one pick tissue rob lowe is five and four and reset as a significantly higher passing rate seventy two percent completion. I am only going to go with Garoppolo just because I like the way he wins news you know but my boy Dr Chit Maxon. Here's somebody else loves a lot of people on this show. When luck went out and beset had to step in you were so dismissive nasty dismissed? I was not a yes. No we can go back and get to work as I noted. It said he took two reps with the first I think all training camp at but my point is the records you cite came with a giant okay when he had to just Japan shoot in in an emergency situation greats. She's now the he's come into the season prepared yeah. He's fine. I just I wins next. Toss up which unbeaten team mm-hmm is more likely to pull the upset the lions or the bill well. It's not going to be the buffalo bills. New England doesn't take anybody lightly. No Tom Brady is thirty three when he plays the buffalo bills. I just don't think they can win so by default and to play the game I am going to say the Detroit lies under Detroit Reut Lyons when they opened up the out played by Arizona and Matt Patricia looked sad on the sidelines but since then Mike they beaten the charges and who has another playoff team they beat the Eagle Eagle it's possible there underrated under a did pretty good and they may be better than we thought we speaks to okay underrating but tony the Patriots do drop a game almost every year they do fairly early and it's always in a game in which we're surprise you picking them to lose yeah. I'M GONNA Confidence Pool Right. I'll put my money where my mouth is this week and I'm GonNa give one point as few as one. We're one point one is ridiculous buffalo bills. That's where your mouth is wounded. New England patriots the Champs you beat the number the number Nice new new this is not the written Musburger School of Brent Musburger last one toss up who deserves the Al Mvp Mike Trout or Alex Bregman. I'd love to see Bregman win because record has local roots in Washington. DC If I read this correctly his great grandfather was a boxing promoter bookie in Washington. DC It means he must have been close. Most Siegel is got numbers. He's got to ninety three average got thirty nine home. He's got one hundred. Rbi but trout got forty five and one uh-huh forties Miss Games and he's don't you miss it hurt try. I don't know trout's a better player. He's got a higher ups. He's got a higher on base percentage of that. Ah Trout's the best player if the he should he should pitch for the angels because they need them so badly but if they give it two bregman good Tony here's a follow two problems for trout won. Missiles Games does not two BREGMAN team right thirty two games ahead of him so this same division Tony Tony the other sports. We give extra weight to team to winning. This doesn't apply to baseball. I'm eh no thoughts of trout's I feel bad for him but bregman always finish the segment. That's it you saw it's another dispiriting laws. Will let's take one last break but still to come the diagnosis Suzanne on Cam Newton and the nets say they are not expecting Kevin Durant the play this season parenthetically are they ruling out walking walking around with weapons trump's gonNA wind up Nixon where the pardon the interruption is brought to you by T mobile now connecting ninety nine percent of Americans team Obon America's network time people happy first birthday gritty what the the Philadelphia Flyers Orange Haired fuzzball mascot that thing I one of the great first years ever he was voted number one. NHL Mascot by the NHL Players Association's asssociation appeared on the tonight show on that Garvey received the ultimate honour last Halloween. When I dressed up as a low rent scuzzy gritty Wilpon I am sure or you will join me in wishing gritty very happy first birthday Noelle not this is a pizza? I I am boycotting happy birthday segment happy anniversary. I hope you don't boycott this one Kordell Stewart and Michael Westbound on this day twenty five years ago with six seconds to go Colorado trailing by six Stewart connected with with Westbrook on a sixty four yard touchdown pass to stunned Michigan at the Big House Stewart through that ball close to seventy five yards and west recorded on the deflection soon went onto a pretty good career with the steelers as quarterback and wide receiver. He made the pro bowl. Once westbrook was the overall pick by the REDSKINS. I think he was boss way out here. In this season he was the number four overall happy trails Avi Garcia reds outfielder hit a ball into the right field corner in Tampa last nine out of James outfielder but Mukhi bits encore live quick throw in this air to just get Garcia before it can slide into third densest. Throw was even better than Bryce Harper's through to nail one soda with the play. Let's just throw as an all time it's up deal with stuff you would see from clementi and Dave Parker earliest alias. That's great. That's the best and a bonus happy trails to knit joost. The winningest manager in royals history is retiring after nine years in Kansas City Joe Swinton swinton world series twice in one when his royals beat the mets in two thousand fifteen years was a great manager of a deep bullpen that here here's retiring young by my I standards a sixty five. We'll I was surprised he had more victories with the world's than both Whitey Herzog Dick Howser. I did not realize he'd managed that long and more importantly than his time of service I was he won. A world series big deal big deal in Kansas City forever housing world so I did. Why do you world series zero? Distancing look no errors today. Let's go to the the big finish just do it. The athletic physicality new Lynn Sprang injury in his left foot is a big deal typically. We're talking six to eight weeks on top of what he's already been out and still coming back from another this dad. He's not pro football talk reports. The Patriots did not pay Antonio Brown the five million dollars bonus. He was due Monday Monday your thoughts will they cut him before Monday so they didn't have to pay again. Antonio Brownies agent of his own demise everything that has had on dollar. No one knows you boy and the grizzlies have agreed that he can stay away from the team while they look for a trade. Does that make sense. I wish he stay no not going to be playing in Memphis. I could see some bizarre talk of retirement. I don't believe that at all mets. GM Sean Mark says the nets are not expecting Katie to return this season ruling it out not gonNA rule it out. I just hope he makes the wise decision for his body and help for the next x amount of years last one after injury to Kris Bryant Dot Force has baseball the need to do more about other people's clients get hurt on the basis trying to better the next. I'm Tony Corn on Mike Wilpon Bon same time tomorrow and local podcast APP apple podcasts hundred dollar you. Can't you gotTa keep playing you have