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 Featured Property Podcast Storyteller Tours 2020: March 14 edition. Avoid open houses. Start here!

Toronto Real Estate Unfiltered

34:03 min | 8 months ago

Featured Property Podcast Storyteller Tours 2020: March 14 edition. Avoid open houses. Start here!

"Good Morning Paul Griego here. Toronto REAL ESTATE UNFILTERED recorded at real estate. Podcast SHOW DOT com. Many of you have been guests of mine on my property tours for many years in fact I've been doing these tours on some level on some In some way for over twenty years. That's a long time to practice and get my routines pretty down and I feel like this is where you guys all need to be before you ever open your front door and step outside and see a property with me. You need to know the details. You need to know the behind the scenes of these places and these properties. I don't think it's acceptable. Regardless of the current situation. Right now to be heading out and to be going to random open houses to possibly Review Properties before you make the educated before you get educated about these areas about these properties about the good. The bad and the ugly is okay. Now for the purposes of this podcast. I'm going to do a little bit of behind the scenes of the property in the area. He'd be a little history. Tell you a little bit about the property. If I say much more than that I might lose you guys before we ever get to the actual tour. And I don't WanNa do that. I don't WanNa bore anybody off. The off the podcast. I think I've been doing pretty good about making sure. That never happens because right in front of me. There are my rules. My rules are don't be boring. That's my rules. I don't ever want this to be boring. Not only not boring but I just WanNa make sure that for each of you because my experience buying a home back in nineteen ninety eight. I was twenty four. I'd save money for five years. I was so excited my experience and I wasn't a realtor them. My experience with a realtor was the biggest letdown. In the history of home-buying. I was just so disappointed. This particular agent was just the absolute worst I didn't know anything about how they were or what was the. What was the qualifying factors any of that garbage. So the moment I had the opportunity to become more than just a realtor because again you if you're hiring someone in two thousand twenty. That's just a realtor you're getting ripped off. You're only getting one piece of a very important global pie now. The realtor part again. That's that's one part of it. But this podcast to the marketing that goes into it reaching out to you guys connecting with thousands of you across the world twenty-five thousand plus total place so far storytelling goes far. Go so far back that again. It's literally part of each of our DNA when you hear these four words once upon a time for many of you. You'll remember a story that you heard from when you were a kid or just yesterday. There are billions of stories told since again since the beginning of time the telling of stories as soon as spoken as soon as the spoken word as soon as it was you know people speaking there has been storytelling long before any writing. So this is part of all of us so you guys coming along with me on these storyteller tours. I hope is the beginning of a new smarter way of doing things right now especially in you know in the world twenty twenty in in March. We're under we're in the pandemic situation so going out in large groups are going to open house right now is actually irresponsible to be even having one in my opinion is irresponsible. There's better ways and there's and there's very little education as far as I'm concerned done you know out these properties there. You're not getting a full history lesson. You're not getting the details. I believe you should be getting when you show up at one of mine. You'll actually see that I've got a story board. You actually see that. I'm focused on giving you the history lesson of the area and the property so that you're educated about it and this is the part that doesn't always make sense to people. I am not that concerned if you buy that property even if it's my list it's it's not my first concern. My first concern is to make sure that you're educated enough to be able to pick the right place. The right area the right home the right price range all those things. I would much rather those be in place before you make a choice. If it happens to be where you've got a good fit with that property that's great but normally most of the time you'll meet me at a property that I'm showing you in very often what you described to me and what you're looking for is something completely different. Maybe in a different area or whatever and that's the good thing about me. I will make sure that that is where we go versus. Just you know being focused on that property. I don't do that. I don't work that way. And that's again. Maybe his kept me in a very modest position in my life as far as you know not becoming a not not focused on the on the plastic trophies. I've been focused on relationships for twenty years. All focused on during that time is the relationships sales. As far as that part you know goes it's it goes up and down but the relationships part for me has been constantly going up and better quality. And that's really what I want to keep doing. I hope that's going to be with you too so now. Let's jump into today's podcast. Featured Properties Today's property podcast tour starts in the town of Whitby. Whitby is named after the seaport town of Whitby in Yorkshire England the township of Whitby is also officially twinned with two other cities by the way around the world. One is in Quebec and another one is Austria when I first started going to. Whitby with my clients It was actually as a result of the fact that I had family in these areas for many years for back. When I was a kid so I would be going up to these areas in in Durham region. In general almost every weekend. One of my favorite parts about going up to this area is we would go to the pickering town center. A parking lot and there would actually be a huge garage sale yard sale. Whatever YOU WANNA call. Every weekend and my dad would take me up there and we would spend the day there. I don't know why I liked it. Some kids don't like doing this stuff. I I did and I still to this day. Like antique shops and vintage record places. That's you know where I will usually go if I've got an hour to kill before an appointment I've got a sort of a policy if you're if you're if you're earlier on time if you're on time your lights and not only that if I've got an appointment at two o'clock in Whitby I'm probably nearby by noon and I'm just like hanging out and maybe checking out a few shops or whatever just supporting the businesses that are in the area before and after indefinitely something I do on a larger scale when those businesses are also podcast guests hint hint and I am able to work closer with do promotions with you guys. It's a huge huge thing to be doing right now by the way I'm inviting all of you in the Whitby area who are listening to join me for them. So the good thing about learning about whitby before you ever hear about the property that you're going to hear about for me today is that he's got such a cool background that a lot of people don't know. Did you know that during the Second World War whippy was the location of camp x? This was a secret spy training facility. Yes this is exactly why you can't make the same mistakes other people have made in go into one of these tours not knowing how many things are going on in that area. Good bad and ugly. I mean it's all part of the story. Have you ever read a book where one chapter is like completely depressing in the next chapter is like really inspiring? I hope if you've read any amount of books you probably have read many like that. That's life and that's also realestate like you can't. You can't leave the house until you get the stories about these places the behind the scenes every you know great band and every great movie. The behind the scenes for me of those is way more interesting than the movie. Sometimes I'll be honest with you so in Again this was during the Second World War. this was a secret spy training facility that was established by someone by the name of Sir William Stevenson and the nickname for this person was the man called intrepid so some of the buildings have been demolished since then. So you won't necessarily see what's going on I. Also I also heard there was some sort of a connection between Ian Fleming and James Bond. The writer of James Bond and Camp X as well. That's something we'll talk about when we get together in person again. This is not designed to bore you. This is not. I don't want this to be like my life story and not always but it's going to be. It's going to have something to do with me. Because it's this is. This is part of keeping you guys informed. And not just again letting you go out and again right now so important that you're focused on educating yourself about neighborhoods in about properties way before you leave the front door and there's so much more by the way than than what. I'm telling you here but this is again supposed to be your introduction to the property which is all an open house ever was so without even having to go. You're thankfully you're able to listen to this in your living room Going a long walk. Which I've been doing you know a lot of Not just because it's healthy for you but it just because I enjoy go for like two or three hour walks whenever possible In in the neighborhoods around the city from Durham region. All the way out to halt and region. I'll just literally just You know get myself there. Transit or go train whatever's convenient to end you know spend the afternoon they're talking to clients Having a coffee whatever. This is something that again. I'll always do is just part of WHO I am. So the one of the featured property podcast That's on my list on my website right now so you just have head over to real estate podcast. Show DOT com. And you'll see it there. It's a stunning four bedroom. Three bath home. That's for sale in Whitby. This property is listed under eight hundred thousand dollars. I'm going to say that part again. Four bedrooms three baths under eight hundred thousand dollars. So we're talking about you know reasonably speaking thirty forty five minutes to get over to Whitby. Obviously many of you especially right now and this is why this is so important. Many of you are finding out some of you. Some of you can do your work from pulp from from location. Work so you can. Actually some of you can do your work not everybody can. I certainly can't do all of my job from a location. Sometimes it's showing you an I personally One on one through these places which is the way it should be done anyways because again. You WanNa be in a position where you're surrounded by one hundred people even if you know even if you thought that was normally I it never has been for me far. Prefer these grand opening one on one tours one at a time we go in together talk about the property and then again because of the fact that it is this property is under eight hundred thousand where it is a lot of you with one or two bedroom condos in downtown. Toronto CA- trade that in move here you've got four bedrooms and the key both the bedrooms and this is about an whenever you're dealing with this kind of stuff is you. WanNa be in a position where you're in a that protect potentially has multi residential usage. So that you're not just buying another property that you know only one or two of you can live in right now more than ever. You need to be more concerned about. How would you bring in income if your job was eliminated completely the saying goes if you're relying on one jobs income you're one step away from no income from possibly poverty? It's it's scary to think about it. I'm talking about any job even if it's a good job if you only have one income you limit your options by having a property where you can either a. Have you know other people living there could be people you know could also be you know people that are renting the property or or parts of the property. When you've got a few doors to work with and you've got the ability to have a separate unit. That is a game changer. And that is what's going to protect you insulate you. You know as time goes by so leverage is so important so whatever you own right now. I hope you're also thinking about how to trade that in for maybe some added protection and it could be literally could be a single parent that wants to have a secure place for their family and their kids could be a renter. Who's just tired of making rent payments? Because again the rent payments situation is it never ends like you'll never see an end date for a rental payment schedule when you sit down with a mortgage professional and you have a breakdown of payments. There is an end date. Could be fifteen. Could be twenty twenty five years that's what Amortization is they? Don't teach this stuff in school and it's just. It boggles my mind but let let professor Paul and I actually have a story about that all end off with. Be The one to teach you this stuff to make sure that you understand. So the last thing I'll say about the property. The estimated mortgage cost is twenty three sixty six per month for four bedrooms. Do the math twenty three hundred divided by four a little over five hundred bucks apiece if you've got to families if you've got your family you've got older kids and they're bringing in five hundred dollars a month which is probably not that much of a stretch that they can do. You're in a position where you're covering your housing for something. I would believe to be very reasonable less than some two bedroom. Rentals that I've done recently by the way in Toronto twenty-three sixty six per month is what the estimated mortgage costs so head over my site. You'll see more information there. Connect with me specifically because again. I'm only going to give you some. You know some basic information on this and professor story that goes along with what I've been saying is that in in my first year York University. I I would often be on the field in when I was playing rugby team where she played for the rugby team. My my my my for my years there. Stay very long still experimenting with what I wanted to do. On my first year there we had an incredible year. We had like a completely undefeated year. Which was just awesome. But because a lot of a lot of times I would actually be practicing weirdly enough with my glasses on. I'd be in rugby. Practice and beheading people have had my glasses on and my glasses wouldn't fall off just because of the way that I would hit people and it'd be very conscious about my technique and Tuck my shoulder in and make sure I do right so I got this title of the professor because they almost always worn my glasses. I think I'd gotten tired of contacts at that point so I just said fuck it when it came to you know the game of course took the glasses off during the game but during the practice. I just didn't feel like anybody was going to hit me hard enough for me to have to worry about my glasses and I just never did so. I got the nickname professor and they kind of just went through an comes up once in a while when I see the old guys here and there. Hopefully you enjoyed this again. New Way of doing things I try to make it as interesting as possible and if anybody wants to connect with me and have a look at this property. Let's make sure we get together today. Hello Paula go here again. Our next stop on the storyteller tours brings us to halted region specifically oakville Ontario. The behind the scenes for me and Oakville go go back a long way not just from growing up in Ontario and visiting all these great cities for family functions and friends and sports obviously with sports There was a lot of time spent in Oakville If you play rugby in Oakville you'll know the oakville. Bumblebees you'll know about that You'll know what that means and I've had the pleasure of playing there many times My favorite OAKVILLE related story is that I was able to Take Part and was invited to the trials for the Ontario under nineteen rugby squad. I was very much into rugby in my teens. That literally I would say probably saved my life. It gave me a very good direction. Wait a point. A lot of my misguided anger into a something very productive and that in the long with weight training probably kept me focused to the point where. I'm still focused now When I just sort of you know go go back into my comfort zone. Which is doing that Kinda stuff. Staying physical for me that works so with Oakville had a lot of really great history of a lot of people. Move out there over the years. I've had people trade in their King West townhomes to move to oakville. I've had condo owners sell and move their Ville sort of has this distinction as Being for the most part everybody or or a lot of people who work on Bay Street live in Oakville and I know enough people that have proven this for me over the years. That's still the case. So joining me on a tour for properties in Oakville will give you an idea of again the fact that this is a very well established area so let me go a little bit into the history of it of course again. You know my specific history has to do with the The rugby element of it. But there's a lot more going on. Obviously this goes back to seventeen ninety. Three Dundas street was surveyed for a military road. That's when things began in eighteen twenty. The crown brought the bought the area surrounding the waterways over the years through the eighteen hundreds Things like the Grand Trunk. Railway were added on later on on top of that there was a lot of manufacturing. They decided to move into the area. Of course the Ford Motor Ford Motor Company. As you will know if you're driving through there is in this area. There are just a little over ten independent neighborhoods within OAKVILLE. And this is an important thing for you to do when we're touring and we're going through the different neighborhoods and price ranges. Of course there's going to be you know it's GonNa be some variety there a having sold properties in this area. I've been doing tours for example in the Glen Abbey areas. For those of you who are yes. Glenn Albie Glen Abbey Golf Course. Golfing fans You'll want to be part of those tours. You'll want to be You know getting the inside scoop from me about the behind the scenes of not just the properties. And that's I think that's the the main difference that I bring to the table is I won't talk as much about the properties as I will about the people who live there. You need to know what life is like there. You need to know the stories that go on behind the front door. You need to know way more than what you might be seeing again. The the the traditional approaches you see something on the screen you click on it Blah Blah Blah for in and you end up seeing it with just whoever yes just about anybody with a licensed can show you. The property opened the door. And let you in. But what you want and what you should demand especially now because of the way. These things are taking off in the way podcasts. And of course the way I do it specifically is changing the way I think things are done. You need to demand more. You want to know what's going on behind the scenes. You WanNa know what the people are like. As I've told you before I know who the people are. I know their stories. I know where they came from. I know where they're going and I want you to be one of the people that's going to be in on this with me. So one of the properties you'll see on my featured properties and you'll have to head over there to get the details but it's a four a three bedroom. Four bath house is a brand new one. That just came up this week on. This is in the Orchard Ridge area. There's over twenty six hundred square feet of total living space. And this one is under one million so with this area I've got properties on tour here from one million to two above three or four so really a matter of getting in if you're in the position where you're looking at possibly moving here and your budget is between one. Usually I would recommend for Oakville a one to one point five budget depending on the property just to sort of you know. See what's out there For the five hundred. Two million budget Durham region seems to have a lot more properties for for that range. So again no problem with either one. I WanNa make sure that you get as much house as you want in the area that you want for a lot of people. Oakville and region. This area is the one to go for. So this particular property again They've got a really large. Eating breakfast is a granite countertops stainless steel appliances. All the usual stuff a professionally finished basement. Which isn't always the case will walk into some of these houses and unfortunately sometimes the information's there either is mentioned or talked about and we walk in and it's an unfinished basement. That needs a ton of work for some people. That's great because they can customize but for other people they want move in open the door and be able to you know put family put kids put an office workout area. Whatever especially now with what's going on in the world is a lot more focus on making your home your castle and it doesn't mean you don't have to buy a three million dollar home to have a castle. I think everyone who has the ability and of course with what you're looking at for monthly payments mortgage payments on this one is approximately three thousand one hundred and twenty four. Estimated mortgage costs Again with everyone and what? You'RE PUTTING DOWN. You know you'll have to decide on which how much down you can you know? Put with any of these properties. That's going to be your call but to turn your home into your. You know your Jim your office. Your you know your workout area. Whatever whatever you decide to do. Yoga rooms music rooms. I've been apart of thankfully everyone those the scene stories and a lot of them in Oakville so I wanna make sure that you guys understand what you what you could be doing. What sort of a life you could be having in these properties and making sure that you get all the details behind the door so once again over real estate podcast show dot com. Check out the featured poverty podcasts. And you'll see this one there and if you want to get more details or specifics by all means reach out to me. I'm available and I'll make sure that you're getting the inside scoop behind the scenes of all the properties that you're hearing about here our next stops takes us to the Bedford Park area of Toronto. This is the young and Lawrence area near Lawrence Park One of the most desirable. Neighborhoods that you're going to be on tours with me if you're going to be looking at properties in this area obviously you're looking in the two to three million range and this is where this property sets so this particular property on my storyteller tours. Today's a four bedroom. Five Bath Property. This is a modern A modern custom-built home tons of natural lights all the latest upgrades everything you can imagine. You'll walk in when you do walk into these places with me because of the fact that I've got such a really good connection to these neighborhoods and I don't mean the traditional connection with a lot of realtors Yojiro yes. I sold five thousand homes in that area last month. No that's not what I'm talking about my connection to these neighborhoods goes way for the actually goes way back to when I was a teenager. So here's my storyteller tour about Bedford Park Lawrence Park Rosedale these areas. That are downtown Toronto. I was working as a labor as a construction worker as a laborer in a in my teens and it was something that was really enjoyable to me at the time. It was really hard to wake up at six in the morning. Ride my bike over to wherever the site was in the city and start my day. This is especially hard when you are. Let's say partying with your friends at night. Sometimes and you're out late you're out until one or two and yeah this is this is. This was my life. I wasn't really chained down very much. I got to have a lot of fun which means I don't have any regrets because I just did a lot of stuff. Not Bad just you know. Push the limits. So I'd be out until to wake up in the morning at six. Go Work Construction and then go to the gym afterwards and this. Was You know what you could do as a teenager? The it would probably kill me after one day. Now so part of the one of the places that I ended up working on ended up being this amazingly architecturally significant home actually. It's been written up in newspaper written up in magazines and it's been talked about for years in the in different areas. So I was working on this home. I was Bringing in wheelbarrows of concrete like all this really hard stuff we were helping build this house and then it wasn't until years later that I found out this is from a couple different resources. I'm I'm looking at this picture of property. I'm like wait a minute. That's the House that I helped built there was like four furnaces again. I know everything about this house. Way More than the article was saying and reading it and reading it and then I read it in the article that David Bowie and this has been verified at some point in including from my own father who was one of the main construction workers on the property that David Bowie wanted to see this house when he flew over which to me was just like. Oh my God David Bowie and if you're a music fan and you don't like David Bowie just cancel. I'm subscribed to me right now Because there's no way we're going to get along if you don't like David Bowie or tin machine if you've if you've never heard tin machine. Which is the band that he was in for a short while they will blow your mind Incredible MUSIC. They only made a couple of two albums machine. One was great. Ten machine to was pure gold. My absolute one of my top five favourite albums of all time. And this is something you've got to listen to. It's really hard to find. I'm still looking for a vinyl copy if anybody has one but I'm not willing to pay five figures for it either so hope me up if he if you've got a vinyl copy but the story behind this property and again it's architectural significance. There was actually metal. The House is actually covered with metal. That actually ages naturally so it kind of looks rusty. Now if I take you by the House and it'll be something that we might go on walking tours if we're in these neighborhoods put. This is part of again understanding why I have earned my seat at the table in far different way than a lot of other people do. I mean I I can tell you the four hundred plus components of a home. When we're in the home I can tell you things that you will never ever here on on a normal two three four five million dollar tour. You just won't hear it. You'll have a look at me and you'll know that you know. I don't come from any money. I don't come from any special circumstances I was not. I was not handed a Rolodex at nineteen. And and you know put into this business. There's a lot of people that have come from that place and that's not me at all. Every single contact every single sale. Every single relationship has been earned. Nothing and I have telling you right. Now nothing's been given to me. Which is why to this day. I'm as grateful as I am so this particular property again. This is on my two to three million dollar tours. In this area I need more listings in this area by the way because I'm getting so many people emailing me about looking for the next property because and the reason is the the the people were talking. I'm talking to are in the one to two million range. They've got properties in that range. They're hoping to trade up to the next stage and that's just what happens and that actually is really good if it happens because it frees up properties in that one to two million range which is for a lot of people these days as much as you know not a number that you might WanNa pay. It's just what a lot of homes are selling for so the one two million range the more spaces that become available the better. It is and of course that ease pressure on the below the sub million dollar ring which. I handle again plenty properties. They're condos and lofts mostly but that's how this is supposed to work especially with interest rates having dropped again. This is March fourteenth at your hearing this interest rates the the the the base interest rate has dropped two point seven five percent not one below one percent. Ask anybody who's ever had a mortgage ever how often they've seen this and it hasn't been often so I would say your window of opportunity. Right now is better than it's ever been in some ways. It's a terrible time. Otherwise but the opportunity that might exist the fact that you could get into a property with this little of a mortgage this little of a mortgage interest rate to pay down your debts. Maybe when you sell your property you might be able to wipe off your debts. I'm working on that for a few clients right now. I want that for you guys to so again. This is The featured property here on the property tours that I'm doing in the Bedford Park Lawrence Park Area. All include this as well as others that you should see when we get touch so make sure you email me. Paul Dot Injury Go. I N D R at sea twenty-one DOT CA or most importantly head over to real estate podcast show dot com. You'll see the featured property scrolling along the bottom but make sure you sign up there get your email in there. Make sure you don't ever miss another one of these because this is the way it's going from here on forward. This is the way to do it.

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Turning Self-Healing into Healing Others with Dana Whitby

i tried it podcast

56:46 min | 6 months ago

Turning Self-Healing into Healing Others with Dana Whitby

"Welcome to the. I tried a podcast hosted by Chris and Kirk. If you're curious about living your most optimal life but not sure where to start then. You've tuned to the right place in each episode. I'll explore topic and health. Wellness lifestyle. Beauty or spirituality together will discover different ways to invest in ourselves and I hope to inspire you to try something new high Franz. Welcome to this week's episode this zere host Kristin. I'm so happy or tuning in to get inspired to try something new. This week I have my guest. Dino what be joining me remotely which would have happened anyway since we don't live in the same city but also very appropriate since we're all quarantine due to Kovic. Nineteen Dana is a fellow graduate of the PODCAST. Pro Course that we took together. I think we were actually part of the first cohort But Dana is a podcast host. Herself she hosts the soul rising. Podcast you can find. Meditations and heart centered soulful interviews on. Daynuss podcast and were also doing a little swap. So you'll find my interview with Dana there as well but as always. I love my guests to introduce themselves so Dana. Welcome I'd love for you to tell the listeners more about you yeah thank you so much for having me Kristen. This is really fun to kind of be on the other side of the Mike interviewed when you interview. Someone often But Yeah My name is Dana Whitby As Kristen said I am the host of the soul rising podcasts which I think we'll get into a little bit later about how that came to be But I'm also a former school counselor so I used to work with middle school kids Before staying home with my own children I have a seven year old son and a three year old daughter and so I like to tell people that I am. Mostly stay at home. Mom But I currently do grief counseling with kids. Kind of on the side. I squeeze it in during the preschool hours so I do very specific grief counseling with kids. Who have lost someone that they love But I'm also certified in a couple of other things I'm certified in rocky just through level one and I am also certified in hypnosis and regression therapy so I was trained in regression hypnotherapy a couple of years ago and I don't do either of those the rookie or the regression hypnotherapy fulltime. But it's Kinda something fun that I like to Dabble in and do with friends and family and honestly do for myself so Yeah that's a little bit about me. Awesome things so much Dana and you are a perfect guest because not only are you a host but I would say you're an expert in many things. You know supermom if you well you know juggling money money hats so I'm curious like with wearing so many hats. What kind of came I like? Is there a clear journey from being a former school? Counselor going into being a grief counselor on like you know throwing and Rakia hypnosis in your podcast like is. Was there a clear path? Did you have some type of goal in mind or did things just kind of unfold like that naturally? Yeah that's a really good question So this all ties into kind of my spiritual awakening so I was a school counselor for several years before I got pregnant with my first child and I was nine months pregnant when my husband got a job in Charleston South Carolina we lived in Charlotte North Carolina at the time so we were about to move four hours away from all of our family. All of our friends and I decided well we decide together the Boston relationships but we decided together that I would stay home with our son after he was born so Becoming a stay at home mom was honestly a dream for me. I mean I went through undergraduate. I got a graduate degree like I have some higher education but really my goal was always to stay home with my kids So I was so excited for this life change and when I had my son it rocked my world more than I ever anticipated. It would And I was going through my Saturn return. Which if you are familiar with astrology you might know that this is the time when Saturn who is hard teacher planet. He likes to shake things up in. Have you learned some hard lessons? He returns to the exact spot that he was in. When you were born and it just really brings up old patterns an old ways of being and this coincided exactly at the time when I became a mother And it dredged up a lot of pain from my childhood and I really kind of got on this kick of wanting to heal myself and that was when I really started meditating It's when I start having trouble in my marriage too and so I turned to some alternative things to try to feel better. So I was meditating But I really felt like there had to be more. There was something I like. Dig My teeth into things that I could actually do And so I really started kind of going on this spiritual quest. I was reading things and eventually I went to a medium and a lot of people think of mediums as someone who only connects to people who have passed. But I knew enough from reading my spiritual books that there were people who could connect to spirit guides and I just wanted some direction like was I meant to always be a stay at home. Mom was I meant to go back to work well and when I did what did that. Look like because to be honest. I didn't love working in schools. I wanted to really make an impact and sometimes in a school. You don't have enough time to really work with a child to see enough Progression so anyway I went to this medium and She basically took me to church and was like you have spiritual abilities that you are not using and pretty much. Everyone does we all. Don't use them to our full extent so she wasn't necessarily saying that I was special but she was telling me that I was really dragging my feet and not doing with my life what I could be doing. So that was very helpful and like shaking me up and Making me look even deeper. So that was when I began to explore ricky an honestly the when I decided to get trained in ricky was to do it on myself and I was doing it on myself and I still do when I need it. and same with regression hypnotherapy. It was for me I wanted to go on a voyage of my own soul and be able to step into this stuff and so the sounds Kinda selfish but all of this has been kind of an effort to self heal and in doing that once. I experienced it for myself. I'm able to pass that on to help people and to kind of show them something from a different perspective which is then why chose to start my podcast. Because I knew I was learning enough from all of these things that I wanted to share it in some way and I was feeling like blogs are kind of outdated and so I decided to jump on the podcast train so Yeah here I am kind of doing this. Podcast and really try to focus on talking about healing subjects in ways that we can heal alternative healing methods. Because we all need that. I mean I just truly believe that the reason we are here on earth is to heal this stuff and to make amends with one another and to love one another and to let go of old ways of being that no longer service and now is the time really think our society is ready. I couldn't agree more and I think you know at the time of this recording with you know cove ed you know I do. I can sway in the Wu side and I've definitely acknowledged like yeah. This is the year of awakening. So yeah I think it's good timing that we're recording but day. Not Thank you so much for sharing your story And being so open and honest there are just so many points where I was like. Yes yes yes One when you mentioned your Saturn Return. I don't think I'm heading mine until twenty twenty one but I'm like so scared like I feel like that's also subconsciously why I am interested in so many things related to healing because I want to put myself in like the best position possible so when I do hit my Saturn Return. It's not like my whole world flipped upside down but I'm sure there will be some things that come to a halt for me any no. I think I didn't even know about my Saturn return leg. I didn't know that was a thing when I was going through my returned so I think just the fact that you have. This awareness of it is going to be so exponentially helpful you know. Just the awareness in itself so another point that you made which I was like. Wait I wanNA correct day. No when you brought up Not In Nevada way but when you talk about your healing modalities and how you mentioned the word selfish which I feel like when we talk about things like self care and all of that. It's not selfish because we need to fill up our own cup before we show up for others so I can see why there may be some feelings of selfishness by Especially you know with you being a mom. I can't personally relate to that but I think that is so cool that you know you really took responsibility for your own healing so that you could show up butter for your loved ones yet. You're exactly right. It is not selfish at all and I like to make a joke of that but it you're right I mean it. It is not selfish because it really benefits everyone but yet it was hard for me at first Being a mom to feel okay with taking time away I was very lucky when I trained for hypnotherapy in regression Because the person who trained to his name is Peter Woodbury and he works for the Edgar. Casey A. R. E. And this was the first time he ever taken on personal clients to train them normally. He does it in like a big weekend long setting and he trained myself and the medium that I originally went to see that I mentioned she and I became friends and so we went and got trained together and I was away for a weekend. Doing that You know so. There's been a lot of time away from my kids to do this but I you know. I think we all have stories from our childhood. No one gets out of it totally unscathed even if you've had a good growing up. Everyone experiences things that are hard and I just want to lessen that for my kids I want them to grow up with a mom who is self aware and takes care of herself and I just I believe that healing some of this stuff and stopping. Some of these old patterns from repeating themselves is of the utmost importance what what else is more important than healing relationships. You know absolutely yeah. I feel like on paper. I know my parents. Did you know a great job but little things come up where I'm like? Whoa that's a little A little weird and I feel like there's some healing in in my childhood. Even though I'm like no I you know overall. I think my parents did a fantastic job. I feel like there are certain things where like I'm at a point where I haven't really taken a hard look at certain situations or things that have happened. And maybe that's a sign that before my Saturn return comes. I should really. I should really look back at my childhood. It's not gonNA hurt. I mean you know the thing is i. I have a father who was addicted to drugs and alcohol and so I always just really focused on him as kind of the source of a lot of my pain and a lot of my healing Then I started sort of looking at my mom to who was like my savior in those times and gave me unconditional love but even she is conditioned by some societal stuff that she doesn't even realize And it's not her fault but no one is perfect and no one's perfect parent and so yeah I agree looking at that stuff is never going to hurt. No matter how good your childhood was right so I think that I forgot where I pulled this from but on one of your platforms you you talk about. How part of your work is inherited emotional pain so is that like just from our parents or does it date back to you know our ancestors like our great grandparents and our great great great grandparents Yeah I mean I I personally believe that it comes from way back and there's kind of two different lines that it can come from in my personal opinion. I think one is our actual blood line. our grandparents or great grandparents we just inherent inherent these Patterns of behavior that can continue on. We don't even realize that they're happening and there's been a lot of studies shown that DNA actually holds things from seven generations. Back like emotional pain can be held in your DNA and so you might even be healing something. That doesn't even connect to your life that you really can't connect it Because it could be connected to an ancestor whose DNA is holding onto that within you And then the other line of thinking in my opinion is I personally believe in reincarnation. I have seen many of my past lives doing regression work so I also believe that sometimes we can even be our own ancestors because we've lived so many lives And so you're pulling from those past life memories as well that come with your soul so we have the DNA and our physical bodies. It's holding him his death and we have our souls that are holding onto other things and it just makes for a lot of work to be done. I don't want anyone to feel overwhelmed that that's where it can come from. Yes I am raising my hand. I am overwhelmed but like we can't escape the work that we have to do in this current lifetime. We really can't but if you think about it that's the whole purpose because I've also seen the afterlife. I have spent some time in regression work between lives and so I got to see myself as a soul and it doesn't seem overwhelming there. When you sign up for things that you're GonNa do in this lifetime It sounds like Oh sure. Yeah that'll be easy. Great Yeah let's just see all this stuff and You know our human brains are what make it hard and it really sometimes healing can be as simple as just saying I'm done with is like an washing your hands of it and that's it and you can move on other things are more ingrained and can take some more time in some practice but sometimes you can heal something just from having awareness of it like literally just knowing that it exists is enough and it's gone So it too overwhelmed because some things can be easily managed. Yeah I I'm with you on How certain things can be easier to? I don't WanNA use the word fix but I guess repair once Like for me. I feel like when I whenever I find language or just like a phrase around maybe a certain behavior or a way of thinking just adding that for myself has helped me like acknowledge like okay. This exists I can move on because like I feel like there's a difference between that and just like knowing something's up but not quite being able to communicate that and then once you can. I don't know for myself. It's easier to kind of move passed it yet. Now I think you're totally totally right And you know also going back to the regression work sometimes if you see something that happened to you in a past life and that is the source of This pain and struggle that you're carrying in this life. Sometimes you're seeing it and being like Oh my God. That's where that came from. That's it then you can let it go you just know the source of it Yeah it's it's not always you know total like drudgery awful work okay. So you've mentioned hypnosis a few times and I know you know this is something that you just dabble in and when we were planning this podcast episode. I I told you that I did sign up for a pass for Russia and with someone in Chicago and I haven't talked about my podcasts yet because to be I'm not sure if it worked You Know I. I'm pretty new in like. I've been meditating for less than a year so I would say it's still a new practice. I don't do it every day. I do and like I feel call two in the morning or when I have time in not when my brain is just like buzzing so I kind of walked into my past life regression. I think I was unprepared. So when I committed this like over an hour session I left not knowing if it like quote worked because my expectation was okay. I'm going to do this past life. Regression and all the answers that I need in my life are just going to appear and so I kind of laughed unsure that it worked. So can you share with the listeners? Like what what hypnosis or you know past life. Regression should feel like and expectations walking into it and like any takeaways. And maybe you can clear up any confusion. 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These statements have not been evaluated. By the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. Yeah let's do that I think you you hit on a really important note. That meditation definitely does help Regular Meditation to be able to just kind of calm and quiet. The mind is certainly very helpful. What I wouldn't say that you have to have A super regular meditation practice for this to be able to benefit us so I would say that might not have been the factor There's a lot of other reasons Something else is the relationship between you and the regression therapist so I don't know how comfortable you felt. Were you comfortable with here? She when you walk them I was he. Was You know Super Friendly? And like you know it was a casual atmosphere. So he like definitely made me feel comfortable. It's not like I sat in the chair. And you tried the hypnosis or past life regression I I'm kind of a past life regressions Russia and But yeah like we didn't get into it right away. We were just like talking casually before the session so I did feel comfortable but yeah I think another point that I want to add. Was You know I was definitely like a mix of excited and nervous says so? I don't think of my mind was quite calm but I'll let you continue with With answering my first question. Yeah Yeah No. That's good I think the relationship between the client and the therapist is is really important and sometimes it does work the very first time you meet them but sometimes it's good to go in and just asked to like set up a time to just chat with a person just so you get to know them a little bit Or at least you're so you have their face in their their voice beforehand. So the first time I ever did one I called the person I and we chatted for like thirty minutes on the phone. I didn't see her in person but I at least talked to her. Enough to kind of Feel comfortable so that's definitely a tip that I would get Going back to the meditation. It's not GonNa hurt if you have a good regular meditation practice so while I did say. It doesn't need to be perfect. That is definitely good if you can do that. Semi regularly to kind of get into the mode of turning your brain off the other thing that can hold you back from having a good regression session is skepticism Or fear sometimes what happens is our subconscious knows that we are doing this. It knows that we are planning on doing this. Regression and so things might start coming to you beforehand. It's almost like Soul gets really excited ahead of time. Subconscious pointing gets really excited and things might start coming through dreams A couple of days prior and sometimes that can lead to some fear like if if the plan is to show you something that was may be really hard for you in this past life like if. That's what needs to come up for you. Seeing that a couple of days ahead of time might scare you so working on meditating and releasing that fear or even just positively talking to yourself Prior to the session can really help. Even if you don't really know where this fear is coming from or you aren't having those dreams just to kind of talk to yourself to calm down is is very helpful But it can be very exciting and also very nerve wracking so. I just want to validate your fears. Your fears your feelings around that because Doing something for the first time especially something like this. Especially if you don't know if you totally believe in it or not Can Be really overwhelming so What you should expect in a session is You really need to be Semi-conscious not semi mostly conscious. So the hypnotherapist is not going to let you into a state of super deep relaxation. Where you don't remember anything when you quote unquote wake up. You're going to be very cognizant you are going to be able to speak to them and hear them speaking back to you. We just WanNa get you into a nice state of perfect like perfectly relaxed but not too far So we have to be very careful with that as regression therapist to get you relaxed. But not not so much that you're gonNA fall asleep or so much that you're gonna go into a trance because That communication back and forth needs to happen to help you to move forward Through your experience so that we can we as therapists can make sure that you're getting the most out of it possible so I hope that's comforting because Some people are like I can have you like passed out. Never remember this weird stuff is going to happen. And that's not the case at all. It's supposed to be a comfortable experience so I hope. I hope those are helpful. If I missed anything let me know I can go home. Yeah no that is definitely super helpful and I will admit going into the session. I did have a phone call with the therapist ahead of time but I think I still had a feeling of skepticism in myself and that was mostly me questioning. Did I pick the right therapists flake? He wasn't recommended to me. I honestly just like Rod yelp reviews and I was like okay. I'm sing a lot of positive reviews about the sky but I think I was a little bit nervous because I was like. Did I pick the right person to do this? So I think like I just wasn't one hundred percent comfortable going into it but what you described about how it feels during the session. I agree like I was conscious of what was going on. But I notice myself like questioning if what I was communicating. What I was seeing in visualizing like as like am I really looking into a past life or is my brain just kind of like making up a story and I'm going along with it. Can you talk a little bit? About what a session can bring out from. A client like is very visual. Like what son. Surrise are activated during Sasha and. I'm sure each one is different. But can you touch on that Dana Yet I was like nodding my head so hard. While you were just saying That's the other thing I always tell people when we started session is just say the first thing that comes to your mind. Just don't question it. Just whatever knee jerk pictures in your head or whatever comes up. Just say it and let's go with it Because that is the subconscious mind and The area of the brain that controls the imagination is the same area of the brain that controls memory so our memory function of past life can feel like imagination. Okay 'cause they come from the same part of the bring. Oh Yeah so. I know exactly what you're talking about because the first time I did my regression like this literally feels like a something. I'm imagining are making up But as I've gone on I've realized how true it can be because some of the stuff that has come up for me has made so much sense that I can't really deny it anymore. It's made me a total believer But yeah so going with that first. Knee-jerk reaction and sometimes The the mental Picture that you get can also feel like a dream. It can feel like a dream sequence like sometimes things are funky. And you're like this doesn't quite make sense like who is that person. That's that I'm imagining across from me or you can feel a little dreamy and a little Made up and so that's totally normal And the other thing I wanted to suggest Going back to your other question something I just thought of when you were talking. Just now If you really are struggling this like if you WanNa do it but you're like I just don't know if this is for me I don't know if I can get into that kind of state I don't know if I'll believe it something. That would be helpful to see an a caution records practitioner before I can always make a recommendation for someone that I believe in very strongly Is it okay if I go into what the Akasha records are? Why Oh my God please do? I WANNA learn more so the Akasha records are a quote unquote place On the other side where basically the entire history of your soul is stored. Okay and so a lot of people liken it to a Wybrow airy that each person slash soul has their own book and There's different ways that you can access this and there are practitioners out there who can with your permission access your souls book and so they are able to see all of your past lives and time in between your lives and so they can pull this out for you and they can say. I'm seeing this life that you had an ancient Greece or whatever And so having someone else do it I so it made you can like Dick your toes in and be like desist like resonate with me because a lot of times we really love or really have strong dislike for countries or areas of the world that we have had lives in so Like for me personally. I was always like super drawn to the Mediterranean and turns out. I've had several lives in that area Kind of will explain things to you. If you have certain feelings about South America or something you know like you don't really WANNA travel. There might be because you have a negative experience. Their in past lives or something. That's just an example But yeah that's just a suggestion of mine is to have someone else to at first. So that made you can help solidify your beliefs okay. I love that because Oh my God I sound so lazy saying this but you know I know. A lot of healing work requires you know work on our own and You know do the healing but it is kind of Nice to have someone else you know. Spit out the information for you. So I you know off air I would love to get a recommendation from you of like who I can talk to because it would be nice and whoever you recommend I give them full permission to access my soul rock. Yeah but yeah. I think that's a great first stop because I definitely want to improve my meditation practice and like help train my mind to slow down and calm down but you know I am not totally like. I'm I'm definitely not a non believer in the whole regression hypnosis practice. I'm just like I know I didn't walk into it. Totally prepared so everything. You recommended Dana. It's just like you given me reassurance that I can try this again at another time. I'm so glad to hear that I mean I I know that experiences can You know make us maybe not WANNA try again. I'm not getting that sense from you. I feel like maybe you know before talking to me. You were still thinking like well. Maybe I could try that again under different circumstances but Yeah you know and I think the interesting thing too is that I really WANNA point out. Is we really don't need else to help us? Necessarily it's nice and it's awesome to have someone else. Kinda show it to us and I think we made that. Sometimes we like you said we need to be quote Unquote Lazy and just let someone else. Help us every once in a while. Because it does get daunting. But you really can't go back to a past life just sitting in meditation in your own house. You don't need to go to a regression therapist and you might not even realize it but you might have had flashbacks to pass lives. You know throughout your life during dreams or just sitting in silence or feeling a certain way you know when you go to town or city that you've ever been to perform it kind of feels like home or comforting. Oh Yeah Yeah. That's your soul being like. We've been here before we've been here before so I just like to point out that we our own healers. You know that we we don't necessarily need someone else. It's nice and it's can be very helpful if for new to something But it's all within you. Yes yeah I feel like a lot of conversations that I have with That are more spiritual base like such as the Sun. That's always the conclusion that we come to as you know. These healers such as yourself are kind of facilitators and you know your clients are necessarily relying on you. But you're kind of showing them the way you're a guide exactly right and just so wrap up you know talking about regression. What is the difference between that and hypnosis or is it the same thing So they're similar in that they both access the subconscious so a regression is is the point of regression is to go back in time and access those memories like I was talking about If you like if someone listening to this truly does not believe in past lives you can still do regression and go back to when you are a baby you can go back to when maybe you had trauma that you've walked out and you don't remember So that is the point of a regression is to kind of go either backwards or forward in time to really help. Heal something hypnosis. Little different in that it specifically to help change behavior so you go into Kind of the same beginning of a regression is just getting comfortable and relaxed. And then the practitioner will kind of give you affirmations or phrases to help you get rid of something so. I'm sure you've seen Hypnosis for smoking cessation or for us so that is really just kind of training your subconscious mind to maybe have some more positive thoughts around it So those are the two differences hypnosis really for behaviors behavior modification and regression. His for kind of healing. Some of these deeper. Things gotta got it. Okay that makes sense So do does that work. And you know including Ricky does all that work I've ever cross paths with Your Grief Counseling that you do on the side or do you treat those separately. I treat them separately only because I am employed by a nonprofit organization who Sends me in our public schools to do grief counseling with kids So as much as I wish I could utilize some of these other therapies for these kids because I think I could just take it so much deeper. I'm really not supposed to because I'm bound by public schools but I'm always like thinking of that stuff back of my mind like Gosh I can help you take this so much further so in a way that that is a little bit frustrating for me. Perhaps that may change. You know you never know but yeah I I was just curious if you're able to blend in all those areas of your life but That make sons. Y You know The situation is the way it is right now. Ouseley that'll change. So I know that on your podcast on actually before I dive into that question to ask you know your soul rising. Podcast what how do you get inspired to For each episode Lake. Do you have a plan? Or who do you specifically reach out to? And how do you plan? What what type of concept that you WANNA put out for your listeners. Yeah this is a great question You know in the beginning when I first started it about a year and a half ago I had so much anxiety about like am I gonNa have enough people and it's like I just truly believe that you open up to something when you are doing something. That is in alignment with who you. Are It really just kind of flows and so it's been kind like this Steppingstone thing for me. Where it's like I interview one person. And they're like Oh. Hey this was great Do you need other gas. And I'm like yes sure and it just kind of leads down this rabbit hole of People and it's it's funny because some of the guests have now become some really important people in my life like friends and Really meaningful people to me that I didn't know before this podcast started But I also like to do a mix of Sidhu interviews with Either people who have had some sort of healing experience in their personal lives or experts in a particular field like acupuncture regression. I've interviewed some of my friends who do regression just to hear their perspective Angelic sound healing Mediums all different kinds of alternative therapies. But then I also do solo episodes and for that the content really comes from my own wife. Honestly that's where it comes from the things that I'm currently struggling with I will Kind of talk about them for a little bit in my podcast. And what's working for me and what I'm trying to figure out and I always end. Every single one of my solo episodes with a meditation a guided meditation of some kind that relates to the topic. That I'm talking about So I try to give people actual healing tools in my podcast when I can And it definitely in the solo episodes. I believe that those meditations are helpful But sometimes my guests will actually do things for me on the podcast to to kind of give my guests like a or my listeners. A little taste of what it would be like to have that experience. High Franz taking a quick pause on this episode to talk to you about algae and more specifically the amazing energy bets brand who makes this nutrient dense food easy to take every day. And don't worry I've got an offer code for you so stick around real quick. Algae is an efficient source of plant based food that has so many benefits like supporting the Moon. System enabling detoxification and nourishing the body with forty plant nutrients energy abets took two forms of algae. 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I have been in a similar boat where You know at first there was some you know sourcing gas and like reaching out to people to see if they've been interested and I'm not trying to sound bragging but after a while I just stopped reaching out to people and the right people just came to me and if it felt you know aligned with the type of content I wanNA put out yeah like. Let's do an episode so I'm so happy to hear that you've been Having the same experience or a similar experience ever since we we graduated from Our little podcast pro. Course HE LOVES THAT COURSE. It was so fun to Really learn about podcasting. This is like a whole. A whole Territory I mean. I know a lot of people are doing podcasts. These days but there's not a lot out there you know about how to do it and I think it was nice to have support. Yeah absolutely just getting that extra boost of confidence to step out into this world it's It was really really lovely So you did touch on your meditations and just to clarify so whatever's going on in your own life is that what is that the source of inspiration for your meditations. And like how do you? I've I've never asked this question. Tiny one who like post meditations? But like do you write out what you're going to say or does it kind of like fall out of your mouth in the moment? Like what is that process like. Yeah those are great questions Yes so For example I'm working on. My next episode will be on authenticity in about being authentic And so I'll talk about how that's been a struggle for me in the past and how I'm working on being authentic and not feeling like I have to change for the people that I'm around and to be able to be myself in any situation And that's something. I really struggled with more when I was a teenager. And in my early twenties but it still creeps up and something that I want to talk about and so I'll do a meditation that goes along with that and a lot of times I like to do kind of affirmation meditations and have Like I will say an affirmation about being authentic in. I'll give the the listener space to repeat it themselves and to say it out loud because I really believe that when we say things out loud it gives them a lot more weight than if we just think them in our mind. So that's one type of meditation. I liked to do and before I record that I always write those out because I do. WanNa make sure that affirmations like that are You know really specific and are really helpful and therapeutic in some way but sometimes I like to do meditations that are just more like relaxing so back in December I decided not to do regular meditations. Or I'm sorry regular episodes for the entire month of December because I just know December crazy for everyone. People have a hard time listening to podcasts. When they're dealing with the holidays and all kinds of events and parties so what? I did for December was adjusted meditation episodes and In one of those I was just going to help the listener relaxed. Like just like goes and stuff and so I didn't script that one out at all. I just kind of pictured like a beautiful tropical relaxation scene and just kind of went from there with what was kinda coming in my mind so that really is a creative process for me those meditations of kind of toddling back and forth between allowing myself to do whatever comes up and also like scripting things making sure their therapeutic and helpful. I love the range of content that you have with your meditations and that it's not just one thing in your kind of exploring different formats and I was also nodding my head when you were talking about singing affirmations out loud like a could be something so simple but just saying it out loud on repeat I posted something about this on my instagram. Awhile back but just like saying it out loud until your whole body believes that it's really crazy. How your attitude or mood or your energy can just change from saying a statement that you like want to believe and then finally go kind of reaching past that point of like fully believing it. It's really incredible. I totally totally agree with you. I just words. I'm so much weight. And we know that from how we talk to other people Things that people say to us have a lot of weight. And so if you're going to talk to yourself it's just as powerful and you know saying it in your mind doesn't quite have the same weight to it curb ising you know. Yeah Oh my Gosh I. Yep I'm currently working through that that Negative self-talk in my head like it's it's so easily just kind of slips into my conscious mind and then I'm when I catch myself I'm like oh no like. Why am I saying that to myself? So that is that is something. I'm I'm working through and I'm really excited for your authenticity episode to come out because I to relate to Kind of slipping into moments where? I'm not being being my full self and it could be you know that environment. I meant or the people that I'm around and I'll notice like maybe old behaviors that I Put Out With that group of people previously like that will come out and I might philly kind of iggy afterwards. The does require some work together through Some really excited for that episode. Because I'm sure I'm going to have a lot to take away from that. Well thank you. I I have a lot to say on it and I have some pretty strong feelings about the fact that we don't always necessarily have to be all of our authentic self in every single situation. That's kind of exhausting If you are with a certain group of people who Believe something but maybe they don't have all of the same beliefs as you. It's okay to maybe like not talk about those things that are a division between you and not talking about those things isn't being inauthentic. It's just that we have to step into that part of us That knows the truth about ourselves. That knows what is true and and doesn't allow that to waiver But we don't necessarily have to shove like our beliefs in someone's face if they don't believe the same thing so it's like letting go of some of the things that would be combative and still being authentic is really what WanNa talk about. I love that Thank you for kind of clarifying that. Point because My mind went to my family which I love so much but I've realized through money conversations that I should probably not share all of my quote. Woo stuff that I get into. Because they don't quite understand it and it's not my job to convince thumb or gut them onboard. And you know I can still like fully believe even everything that I practice and what I know works for me but I don't necessarily need to shove it in their faces. Oh my gosh I listen I I totally feel the same way. I have family. That's like that too. I have some family. That's really supportive and kind of path as me and others aren't and it really is a dance and it's really something that I think as we have to get used to because we have to be able to stand up for some of the things that are super important in our lives but at the same time. We don't have to talk about all the willows stuff that we do. If it's GONNA cause an issue it's better to just drop it you know. Yeah Yeah I was on that yes. I can't wait to tuna and but Dana. Is there anything else that you wanted to share? What the listeners that we didn't cover. I know that is a very a very broad question but I wanna make sure that you shared everything that you wanted to share with my listeners. I don't think there's any topics that we didn't hit but I just wanted to also say that I have a lot of meditations on the insight timer APP and so I put them at the end of my solo episodes. Just as kind of a way to provide a healing tool but it can be super annoying to have to go into your podcast APP and find that episode. And then you know scroll to the end to find my meditation so. I have chopped off the episode basically and just left Meditation and put those on inside timer. So if you use that APP and you're interested in may be checking out some of my meditations all you have to do a search for my name and you can find me there and I'm slowly working on adding those. I have a lot of them. Have all of my season one. Meditations up and I'm working on my season two so I just wanted to share that that that is accessible to anyone there and You can also learn more about me and about my podcast at the Seoul rising podcast dot com and on instagram. My handle is the underscore soul rising. Podcast wonderful I will link all of that in the show notes and I am definitely going to follow you on insight timer. Because I don't know if I mentioned this in a previous episode but I have been using head space but I don't think the form out quite works for me because there can be a little bit too much dud space so I am always trying to find new people to follow on inside timer. Because there's more variety in the types of meditations out there so I'm really excited to check out what you put out there and yeah please put up the rest of your meditations that are from season one working on it but okay before I let you go. And we record on your podcast. I do have one final question in the spirit of trying something new I want to know. What is something new that you've tried recently or you're planning on trying and it doesn't have to do with health? Wellness beauty lifestyle or spirituality. It could literally be some. I mean before cove Ed some rush on in your town or something local but yeah Dana I wanna hear what is something new that you've tried so this is something that I am considering trying. I haven't tried it yet. There's been a lot of talk out there about Iowa and having kind of a transcendental spiritual experience and it's something that I'm still in kind of a place of fear about because I don't do drugs I never have done drugs and I know that this is not like a you're not taking a quote unquote drug. It's it's more of a medicine and a healing experience but to me doing something like Iowa is like Healing method like supercharged. It's something that I'm very fascinated by. I love to watch youtube videos of people talking about their experiences. So it's something I'm interested in but I'm honestly still kind of fear based space about it so That's kind of what is coming up for me at this moment. What I'm thinking about. Ooh I WANNA try. Ios To gather yeah. I actually interviewed by boyfriend's cousin about her Iowa experience. She did it in Europe and I think in Amsterdam so That is just like another resource. If you want to hear about someone else's experience but Yeah I I'm waiting until like I really feel that calling from other. I O Asca that spirit because Yeah I am definitely like I have no fears. I'm like let's do this. I want to just see all this shit and like break wide open so but I'm in no rush to do it but it's something I'm definitely open to At a later point. Yeah I totally feel that too I. It's it's definitely there is GonNa happen for me but it's like I'm telling towards it. So all right Dana. So thank you so much again for joining me today Again I will link all the ways to access. Dana in the show notes Please give her podcast. A lesson and a follow and yet to the listeners Thank you again for listening If you know someone who would love this episode please share it. What thumb as always you can reach me at. I tried it. Podcast gmail.com and follow my health and wellness adventures. On Kristen tried it on instagram. And that's all friends. Thank you so much for listening tune in next week to hear how I try to.

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August 8, 2020: The Great Train Robbery

Today in True Crime

11:56 min | 2 months ago

August 8, 2020: The Great Train Robbery

"Today is Saturday August eighth. Twenty twenty on this day in nineteen sixty three a highly coordinated gang stole two and a half million British pounds from a mail train. The heist became known as the great train robbery. Welcome to today in true crime podcast original today, we're discussing the great train robbery one of the most legendary cash robberies of all time. Let's go back to the early morning hours of August eighth nineteen, sixty, three to the small village of lead burn in the United Kingdom. Twenty Five Year Old David Whitby sat behind the controls of the locomotive with his fellow Conductor Fifty Year Jack Mills they were driving their twelve car train on their normal mail route from Glasgow to London. It was dark at least two hours before first light but they both knew the tracks like the back of their hands and outside of their memories, both of the conductors were aided by track signals every few miles telling them if it was safe to proceed green meant, they were cleared move forward while red told them. They needed to stop at a switch to let another train pass. But normally on this middle of the night brute, it was nothing but green lights all the way to London. So at three am. When Jack, Mills noticed a red holding signal he was confused they normally didn't stop here and weren't scheduled to either he asked me to get out and see what was going on. whidbey stepped out into the cool country air and walked over to the line side telephone to contact the signalman. As he strode over to the signal. He noticed something odd the red light looked different than normal. He realized a glove had been positioned over the actual signal while the red light was lit up with the use of battery. Thinking he was going to get to the bottom of the situation with be picked up the service phone, but the line was dead as he headed back toward the locomotive someone grabbed him from behind. His attacker grunted if you shout, I will kill you whitby couldn't tell how many other men there were or what they looked like. They were all wearing knitted face coverings the instructed him to lead them back to the train where he would unlock the doors to the engine and let them aboard. Fearing for his life with be complied, co-conductor mills was surprised by the men he attempted to put up a fight but was clubbed in the head and knocked unconscious. The men who boarded the train clearly had a plan, the ringleader thirty, one year old Bruce. Reynolds glanced down at his watch to check the time everything was going as scheduled but he needed to make sure they didn't fall behind. ordered. The back ten cars to be uncoupled from the train. He only cared about the engine and the lead male car where all of the money was kept. Once the other cars were on hitched Reynolds ordered mills with his head still bleeding from the earlier blow to drive the train approximately half a mile down the line. They would tell him when to stop the normally quiet conductor was trembling. He would do anything they asked he didn't want to die. As they approached their destination, Reynolds told mills to slow down eventually, he told him to bring the train to a full stop near a small crossing over a country. Reynolds and his men jumped off of the train and looked down. There were two land rovers and a large truck waiting for them. Reynolds. Smiled everything was perfect. He walked back to the lead car to watch as his accomplices. Large mail bags full of cash. Normally, there wasn't as much loot on these mail trains, but because of the Banking Holiday a few days before everything had been backed up there hall was substantial in total. The fifteen man crew loaded one hundred and twenty bags into the getaway vehicles. Reynolds and his men took whitby and mills to the lead car and handcuffed them together. They instructed the male staff who were lying face down on the floor to not attempt to escape for at least half an hour. Reynolds look down at his watch again, it had been less than thirty minutes since they had accosted whitby right on time they headed to their safehouse at leather slade farm victorious. Up, next will explore the fate of the robbers and what happened to their incredible windfall. With. So much out of our control, many of us have had to start new routines but one thing that doesn't need to change is control over our beauty routine whether it's virtual date night or getting ready for a hot night on the town with Schick Hydro Silk Razors you're always in control hydro. Silk offers a full portfolio of products that deliver high performance solutions ideal for any hair removal zone. The Hydro Silk Five sensitive razor has five curves sensing blades to give you your closest shave. Features a water activated boost serum with Shea Butter that moisturizes up to two hours after shaving and the hydroxyl trim style is the only two in one product featuring a hydrating razor on one end and a waterproof bikini trimmer on the other be in control of your beauty learn more at schick dot com slash hydro silk thing now back to the story. In the early morning hours of the eighth nineteen, sixty three, a gang of highly coordinated been robbed a mail train on its way to London, the highest hadn't even lasted thirty minutes but the crooks were soon, the most wanted men in the country. When the gang reached their safehouse at leather slade farm about twenty miles from where the robbery took place they unloaded the cash and hit their vehicles. Then they set about dividing the windfall among themselves. Each man was given equal share regardless of their role. Each received roughly one, hundred, fifty, thousand British pounds worth more than three, million dollars today all they had to do now was lay low they intently listened to police radio signals and about an hour after they left the train, the first call went out to authorities the gang planned on spending a few days in the safe house before slowly trickling out in small groups to pass the time, the gang chatted watch television and even played games of monopoly using their recently acquired wealth instead of play money. The days after the robbery, the story made headlines All over the world. But British authorities had no idea who these men were or where they had gone with all that cash. The authorities knew at least one of them had to be an insider with the railway. There was no other way they would have known about the high volume of cash on the train or where it was kept but days past with no leads eventually, the heist crew left their safehouse to return to their homes. They had seemingly gotten away with the crime of the century and they were eager to live more comfortable lives the ringleader Bruce Reynolds would soon head for Mexico, with his family where they could enjoy a newly lavish lifestyle. But on August thirteenth nineteen, sixty, three Scotland Yard made a breakthrough a farmer gave them a lead. He had seen an increased amount of traffic coming and going from leather slade farm. When authorities arrived at the farm, they found twenty MD mailbags the scoured the house trying to find evidence they look for any object to lift fingerprints from but the crew had wiped down most of the surfaces when all seemed lost investigators stumbled upon the monopoly game box, they dusted each game piece and card managing to lift a few fingerprints it was all they needed. A week later Scotland Yard arrested a florist named Roger Cordray from their everything unravelled two weeks. After cordray's arrest eleven more accomplices were apprehended for their participation in the heist in January of nineteen, sixty, four, twelve of the members of the crew were put on trial and convicted of their crimes. The majority of them were given twenty to thirty year sentences but they all appealed and were given lighter terms in prisons. Even those like Bruce Reynolds. The ringleader were eventually brought to justice five years after escaping to Mexico and then Canada he was apprehended on a trip back to the United Kingdom he pled guilty to ensure that his family didn't receive any charges for a betting him. Reynolds was sentenced to twenty five years in prison. But he like many of the others only served a fraction of his time. He was released ten years later in Nineteen, seventy eight. The. Great train robbery was regarded as the most lucrative cash robbery at the time. Many members of the gang were treated like folk heroes and seen as a symbol of inspiration during a period of economic recession, and even if many of them spent years in prisons, it might have been worth it in the end in total. The police only recovered about ten percent of the stolen. The rest had been spent or squirrelled away. Thanks for listening to today in true crime I'm Vanessa Richardson today true crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other park has originals for free on spotify that only does spotify already have all of your favorite music but now specifies making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today in true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on. spotify just open the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar we'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime Today and true crime was created by Max Cutler at his apart cast studios original. It is executive produced by Max coupler sound designed by Juan Boorda with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden, and Joshua Kern. This episode of today and true crime was written by Tyler Walker with writing assistance by Maggie Admire. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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200 BM Daily Vocabulary #156 | grave

BM English Speaking Radio

06:23 min | 1 year ago

200 BM Daily Vocabulary #156 | grave

"Beaming live speaking radio channel presents b. m. english word of the day. My name is bradford and i'm your host for this episode. You are listening listening to episode number one hundred fifty six of season two days what is grave the meaning of gray whales severely bad god looking very serious and worried causing feel owning zaidi a place in the ground where the dead body is buried whitby whitby. 'em english speaking radio channel. Learn one new everyday and impress. The world in this english will capillary lesson. You will learn how to use the word grave. Be sure that this lesson will help you to enhance or english what cavalry and speak english fluently and confidently grave is protests g. r. a. v. not the one grave means something that is quite serious or inducing tension. It also refers to a place raceway dead are buried. Does it has two different meanings for example due to severe shortage of water. The drought situation in the region is grave another example even after several years of his death fans continued to visit the grave of the pop star and would leave flaws on it. Listen carefully how we can use the word grave in eight different situations in eight different sentences example number one of the owners face done to grave when his accountant toil them about the shortfall of funds for production he decided to meet the bank manual aw to arrange for additional credit facility moving onto example number two of eight. The water pollution due to the factory resulted in health hazards means health risks for the villagers soon. The situation was so grave that that more than half the population was affected with critical stomach illnesses lettuce understand example number three or feet read off to celebration of independence day event at the society. The parents took the children to visit the grave and memorial of a great freedom fighter this way they're reminded the children of the sacrifices made for gaining independence moving onto onto example number four of it. The construction of the hill station were happening at a brisk speed in the mountainous area. This created a grave danger to the life of the locals and tourists therefore the collector of the district put a halt two new constructions. A complete scrutiny was completed. Do you know that all what three lack professionals students and homemakers have learned to speak english fluently and confidently at v._m. English-speaking institute nog all go to our website w._w._w. Dot b. m. consultants india dot com for more information example number. Oh five feet the owner of a stationery store positively at a young age. This boy is a great challenge in front office family. Luckily luckily the staff of the store came together and a short his life that david supporter wholeheartedly to run the business as earlier example number six of eight denzil used to contact senior citizens through an online medium posing as a bank officials he would get hold of their passwords and steal money from the account. This was a grave crime and when in court he was sentenced to prison for a long duration example number seven or eight. The spiritual leader advised his followers to live life sensibly and motivated them to spend a part of the earnings towards charity and welfare affair. He reminded them that. No one can carry his wealth to the grave example number eight of it. The committee discussed the use of an alternate lower cost materials in the construction of a bridge in order to reduce cost one of the members nba's strongly objected and reminded all that the bridge will be used by large number of people and any mishap or accident can have grave consequences to david learned the word grave which means severely bad looking very serious and warid causing fear own anxiety a place in the ground where the dead body is buried. Can you frame three sentences with grave and type in the commons box. The all waiting for this listen has helped to bring your english or cab lori and speak fluent english. You can download the script of this episode and all our episodes from w._w._w. Dot b. m. english list speaking radio dot in stay tuned for new england's. Cabinetry lessons are on a mission to train one indians and english fluency. This was episode soared number one hundred and fifty six off two hundred v._m. Vocabulary episodes that we have planned kindly not that we will releasing workout jeddy episode daily at six pm indian standard time so me tomorrow at six o'clock with the new would till then take care.

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Episode 287: Daily 3D Tours Just added from Toronto to Oakville to Oshawa

Toronto Real Estate Unfiltered

02:54 min | 5 months ago

Episode 287: Daily 3D Tours Just added from Toronto to Oakville to Oshawa

"Good Morning. Paul Andrea go here Toronto Real. Estate unfiltered is the series. The channel is real estate podcast. Show DOT com. Did you know. That many people. Sorry. Did you know that many people? In Toronto and GTI have already done about a dozen three detours this morning while they were having their coffee. They've got a head start on a lot of people. And some of them will secure those dream houses by noon. That's how you do this. That's why. You have to be part of my daily three D digital updates system so when you. Get up and you start your day. The list is there of all the newest three detour properties that are in the Toronto N. GTA area all the The best places from downtown I've got some starting in the six hundred's. Right in like the young Eglinton area some in King West. A four bedroom house in Whitby in the seven hundred's Properties right across A. Pickering. Von Richmond Hills there Milton oakville east. York Aurora Oshawa. The End Leslie Dill, incredible new property there, von. Riverdale. You name it. It's just. Across the board and again it's the digital. Head Start and that's what you want when you're looking at properties, which is one of the many advantages you get with me aside from the fact that you also get access to any of the new. That are coming up on my system, many of which will only be available to clients of mine as far as the As far as getting the early, information? So you really WanNa make sure that you are part of this system, so all you need to do is just head over to the link. That's right on the page, or by all means had right over to real estate podcast show dot com. It will be on the The rotating slide show at the top, so just wait for the daily digital three D tour button you'll see. Come up and sign up and you're ready to go. Thanks for tuning in hope to see you again soon I'll be updating the system. Quite regularly from this point on.

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Bonus Series: Welcome  to Durham Region. Part 1

Toronto Real Estate Unfiltered

18:06 min | 6 months ago

Bonus Series: Welcome to Durham Region. Part 1

"Hi I'm stubbins. I missed celebrity assistance. Certified lifestyle manager and time management expert. You can find me at take it easy concierge dot com and thanks for listening to the Rockstar real estate real estate podcast show dot com. Hello Paul and Rigo here. Toronto REAL ESTATE UNFILTERED IS THE SERIES REAL ESTATE. Podcast show dot. Com is the channel part of the Toronto N. G. Ta area includes the area. I'm about to introduce you to over the next seven days. The reason why I'm going to be doing a slow storytelling approach to this is. Because I think it's time for you guys to hear the stories the real stories. Behind the people the places and properties in Durham region. For me the history with Durham Region. Goes WAY BACK TO WHEN? I was a kid I was born raised in scarborough. Which is the sort of the neighboring city next to Durham region? And just about every weekend I was Brought along and I you know didn't have much choice like when your kids. You don't To the pickering flea market which was at the time and outdoor flea market and it was just Just full of everything you could imagine to this day. I still enjoy going to flea markets with my family. It's something that I really enjoy and Kinda Miss Right now and I hope that everything comes back to a version of what I remember especially for Just the just the sheer getting together and being again around all these same people The place that's there now is a It's a there's a version of it and there's everything from the shop to the fruit stand To a place where you can buy. You know. T shirts Some some not so appropriate ones which is the majority of my t shirts So helping you understand the stories behind the people over the years. That I've helped make the move to Durham region. Different parts of Durham region depending on the people. But I've had people move from the Danforth to Durham reach. And I've had people move from the beach to Durham region. I've had people move from Liberty Village to region. I've had people move from all over the world to this area which is just on the eastern end of the nine five area code belt which is basically still close enough and I would say the difference. That's occurred in the last decade. Is that The majority of people that there's there's shit there used to be a saying where everybody on Bay Street Own a home in OAKVILLE and I'm sure it's still true. If your if you're in the audience raise your hand. It used to be that was the norm and for a couple of years there. I actually set up. I actually helped enough people move from you. Know Liberty village and King West Those condos there to serve each and where. I thought everyone who worked there. Probably lives in this area because a lot of their jobs are Remote a lot of a lot of the work they can do is from remote and now how many more jobs have been Maybe turned into remote jobs and perhaps some companies and I'm hearing this from my inside sources. Some companies are doing better with remote workers than they would have done with. People dragging their butts for an hour on the go train to the office so there could be an everyone. I talked to the kind of clients that I work with such amazing people There's a lot of my clients right now that are looking for the silver lining in all of this as hard as that is to see. It's actually a good thing to do. It's a healthy thing to do to say okay. What good can come from this? So I think there's GonNa be a lot of companies that are going to say that They might actually be getting better performance from their employees better performance On their in in their in their sales everything else might be you know going in a direction because of something that again no one and I I. I'm sure maybe some people did but the majority of us did not see this coming No one was talking about what might happen in twenty twenty so this one is certainly going to be You know in the books for good and it's a history lesson as I'm telling even all my fellow parents with kids in going through the The homeschooling process just today. I was joking around with one of my fellow parents and I asked him if they've received the Canada wine subsidy In the mail yet. Because I think there's definitely more wine and more beer and possibly other things that are being consumed to Help PARENTS ADJUST TO You know getting their kids in Homeschool I in in a very sort of you know unplanned series of events. It's actually working out pretty good for us so I hope it's the same for you. Archies or a little older and I think it's just a matter of the The the the freedom to a point of of the of Of of doing the work and this is something I've always said is that you have to earn the right especially with our kids to To to to be able to be unsupervised when it comes to the work so we're making sure they're doing it. We're making sure they're asking US questions. But they're They're both doing great and I hope yours are two and again the history lesson. That's just happening from being alive at this time. Is I think that's more than enough for the kids to have to go through to to be able to get to the next level and I and I know that there's a lot of parents going through a lot of difficulties and and I I wish nothing for you guys but Nothing but strength. And of course as the The Bruce Lee saying goes do not do not wish for an easy life wish for the strength to handle the difficult one. This is probably that for a lot of you and I and I really do hope if I can be of any help for any of this stuff including You know just moral support Anything at all I've been doing e courses for for People who've been signing up. I've been doing them These are Carson charged for. But I've been offering them for free the right on my website You're welcome to sign up so let me get into the breakdown of the area and I'm going to start off by also adding some. I'm going to also include as I'm speaking about. These areas are going to be including these stories about the actual people who moved to these areas. And I'm hoping some of them might be available for some interviews so if any of you guys are listening to help you are that maybe if you you might join me on for a little Info session on Why maybe you moved to Durham region. Or what about it Appeal to you when you did. And if anybody for that matter Wants to join me for a discussion about that Perhaps you live there now. The reason why I cannot stress enough. How important it is that you are talking to me. If you're thinking even just remotely thinking about what you're properties worth your Condo your house in Durham region. And you're thinking of selling it. You need to be on the biggest possible stage for that as you possibly can. You cannot afford to under market your property to under sell it to to to miss out on potential Just like huge potential exposure. That you're getting through here and at the end of my podcast. I'm going to be giving you a little bit of a sneak preview of my big grand opening that's coming out next Wednesday so the Preparations underway right now. The House is being for Renzo. Clean every surface every coroner and I'm talking about again the forensic clean-up cruel like I'm. I'm making sure that it's going to be the cleanest possible property. Anyone gets keys too so this is going to be on the twenty second. It's going to be ready so between now and then I'm GonNa tell you again. Just a couple of little quick story based A story based Discussions about the area just to give you some idea. But you're never going to get the full story until we talk together one on one this. This will always be sort of a sneak preview. It'll give you guys a little bit about You know this area about this property. That's coming up for sale. But I really WANNA make sure that we're talking one on one so make sure you head over to real estate podcast show DOT COM and sign up for the podcast alerts And make sure that you're getting all of these so you're not missing one and again. Just reach out and let me know what's what's on your mind and maybe how I can possibly help you. At least make sure that your property is added to my registry of so many properties in Durham region. That are signed up with me that are asking to be kept up to date on. What their property. Values are right now and with if any changes occur to be notified of what those changes are. I don't know of any homeowner of any stock owner that doesn't want to know what their property value what they're what the value of their assets is at any given time. I myself all was okay. So let's get into the different municipalities that are within the Durham region. So for the most part the usual ones that I refer to. When we're talking are offshoot. Wha with the Ajax Pickering those are the M- majority of the ones I've moved people to And the good news about Those go from largest to the smallest so depending on what kind of you know community. You're looking for obviously. This has a lot to do with what your property value is now and what you WANNA be buying. So that's going to be a big part of the conversation and of course we can. We can narrow down the specific municipality later and and it's always going to be individual but in order of largest the smallest it starts off with the city of Oshawa which is going to be my Danforth to Durham Story. That you're going to hear a little bit about today. The second one is the town of Whitby and that is the first one hundred sixty thousand. This was in two thousand sixteen for Oshawa. Whitby one hundred twenty eight thousand next is the town of Ajax which is where my grand openings going to be this week. So That's one hundred twenty thousand people below that is the municipality of Clarington and that's ninety two thousand next after that city of pickering also a very popular place Clients I've had their move from all over the world From the beach area from all parts of Ontario to their ninety one thousand next is the township of school Gog and that's twenty one thousand the townships of Oxbridge which is twenty one thousand and the last one is the township of Brock which only has eleven thousand six hundred so depending on what size of city that you're looking at what of course you know what other parts of the community are important to you. Of course that's going to factor into it but again the four I call them the four big ones Oshawa Whitby Ajax Pickering. Most people pick those but again When we're doing your You know when we're looking around for properties for you in this area there's GonNa be a lot of it's going to have to do with what Again what you're looking for. What you need to be close to What kind of properties that you like schools all the important stuff that that factors into this stuff. So I'm going to start off today with a little bit about Oshawa so that you get a little bit of a quick rundown of that and and and more so the story behind why one of my clients recently chose to move from the Danforth area to Oshawa and of course. That's a big thing for you guys to understand. So if you're looking at an area where your average prices let's say in on the? Danforth right now are between anywhere between one to one point. Two million sometimes a bit less. But let's just say one to one point two and you're moving to Oshawa where you're going to be able to buy a property for between you know five to seven hundred thousand It's a pretty. It's a it's a pretty you know. The math is pretty easy that you're going to probably be able to do a nice downsize. Which is what a lot of people are doing right now by the way to free up cash and this is one of the things that's being discussed as far as what is a good strategy to deal with. You know things like what's going on right now and not just for this one because this was happening right now but I'm talking about other emergencies. Other things that are going to happen in your life and again they're going to be other ones so consider this. Perhaps your your time to make sure that you get ahead of it and that you don't let anything happen to you that you can't control because again I've always said at this way. I even say to my kids this way. You need to focus on your economy. There is a million things going on in a million people's lives. You can't possibly know what's going on behind any other door. Besides you know what you know the the door that you live in your own world so you need to focus on your economy as best as possible so making that move from whether it's the Danforth or the beach or Forest Hill or Oakville. Whatever it is that you want to move to. Oshawa to Ajax against this incredible property that I've got coming up. You're absolutely going to Love everything about it and it's a fantastic property. It's a three bedroom. Detached home in the six hundred price range We're just finalizing all the details now. Also you'll hear more later but that's just sort of a little bit of a sneak preview that you'll only get by listening here And Again it'll give you an idea of what the different features are of moving to different parts of this area For example one of the reasons that people do like Moving to this particular part of Ajax which you'll hear more about as well just because of the proximity to the lake. You're literally just not even a five minute walk and I was actually on a walk there today and it was absolutely beautiful. It was just part of what I do when I'm sort of absorbing new property and Sort of becoming the owner in a sense where I wanna make sure that I sort of feel what the you know the the buyers who moved in there Feel and what you guys might feel looking in these neighborhoods as well. I WanNa make sure that I am part of that experience in the always been that way. I've I I. I usually spend between three to five hours a day. on a new listing for several days. And of course I've been visiting these areas I've got family in these neighborhoods swell so I know them well and I've seen them change and I know How they do fit a lot of people's lifestyles these days. And hopefully it's going to do that for you too so let's call it a day for today's podcast. I think there's a lot of information that we've covered But I'm hoping that As we go along and as I explained more and more about these areas to you and what the benefits are you'll understand why it's so important that we connect early on especially if you've got a property that you want me to market. I really WANNA make sure we're in touch now. Not because you might need to sell it but just to give you an idea again where the property value is now so that you have some control over Perhaps if you're thinking about selling the property most importantly you want to make absolutely sure that you're not signing anything until you've spoken to me about the The stories that I have about who the potential buyers are for these properties in the good news is even my Recent souls in Whitby and Oshawa everywhere else that I've sold I was able to predict who those buyers were and where they were coming from literally. Almost to Very specifics without knowing the name or the face of the people I just knew In my most recent whippy sold the people that were coming from there were selling her condo in downtown Toronto and Literally trading their Condo for a four bedroom house and Again what a great idea. That isn't for some of you. You Might WanNa do the same. Simply because it'll help you create Another level of insurance that you might not have with a condo meaning you might be able to even have an income producing property Within your property which could help you Shield you against Again things that are happening right now and give you a little bit more security. Perhaps maybe help you Cut Down your costs. Lots of things we can talk about so thanks for tuning in as always have yourselves a great night.

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Episode 113: Word of Mouth

Lore

37:00 min | 1 year ago

Episode 113: Word of Mouth

"Most people have been to a museum or two in their lifetime. Whether it's the small local building that houses artifacts from the early days of our own community or the massive metropolitan collections that have dinosaur skeletons in their lobby museums are wonderful gathering place of important objects. And yet some things tend to get lost in the clutter. One such item is housed in the small museum. Located in the northern English seaside village of Whitby there hidden among old maps, Victorian, clothing. In bronze age weapons is something that few people have seen a mummified human hand. Now, you might expect that sort of thing to be AGIP tion or Peruvian, but this hand is most likely local in origin. It was found about a century ago by a local historian and donated to the museum to keep it safe because it is one of the only surviving examples of an ancient tradition known as the hand of Lori. We know where these hands come from. Of course, they were most commonly removed from the arms of criminals, it was seen as a practical punishment for the crime of theft, both as a way to prevent the thief from doing it again and to warn others of the consequences if they were to do the same, but these severed hands also carried a secondary. Meaning they were magical objects of great power. After the hand of a criminal had been removed. It was drained of blood pickled and then dried in the sun before being covered in wax. Some owners used the object as a candlestick shaping the fingers around the shaft of a candle while others, literally use the fingers as candles lighting, the tips when necessary why well one reason was that. It was believed that owning and using one of these hands protected home from burglary, a sort of medieval home security system, another tradition holds that criminals. Could tap into the power of the hand to obtain supernatural abilities such as visibility or unlocking doors. It's an idea known as sympathetic magic, a belief that objects could have powers related to their appearance origin story, all of it adds up to a larger idea, though, the belief that the human body, however, temporary and fragile it might be all. Also contains incredible power. And that this power can be transferred to others rather than extinguishing that power death can oftentimes be the key that unlocks its fullest potential. All you need is a human corpse, oppressing need and very strong stomach. I'm Erin minke. And this is Lor. The human body is amazing machine. Our physical potential our individual, uniqueness and the interplay between our emotions intelligence and inner workings all of it screams of complexity and impossibility. And yet here we are for thousands of years that incredible -ness of the human body has led people to ponder the notion of the divine that buried inside our physical shapes. Our clues to help us understand our world, just a little better the lines in our hands the shape of our skull, the color of our hair, or is every characteristic is a clue, and if we could just interpret them we could become masters. Of the world around us. We can see some of the early work in this area in the ideas proposed by the second century Greek physician known as Gaylon he was the person responsible for the theory of humor ISM the idea that the human body contained four substances called humors. And it was the balance of all four blood phlegm yellow, bile and black bile that contributed to the personalities of each individual person. One common. Belief was the criminals had too much bile in their bodies giving way to the term bad blood, which was a way of putting a scientific label on criminal activities. Of course, I'm using liberal air quotes around the term scientific, but for Galen and his contemporaries nearly two thousand years ago. This was cutting edge medicine. And it led to the notion that if we looked hard enough and studied everyone around us, we could identify people who were susceptible to a life of crime. Think of it like an ancient version of the Spielberg film minority reports where rather than dealing with criminal behavior after it happens positions were beginning to think it was possible to predict that behavior ahead of time. But this idea that the bodies of criminals were biologically different from others has led to horrible leaps in logic throughout history. And you don't have to look much further than the witch hunts of early modern Europe to see the results of that sort of misguided assumption because it's in the methods and superstitions surrounding the identification of which is that this old idea of humors comes into play with deadly results. If you do any reading on the topic of which trials across the sixteenth and seventeenth century Europe, you will eventually encounter the idea of the witches, Mark. There was a physical clue that investigators looked for as proof that person was a witch. These were small dark marks on their skin such as moles or freckles and their presence hinted at a dark lifestyle. Which is were said to us the spots on their body to feed their demonic helpers known as familiar, but when you examine that idea of deeper, you encounter, the notion of the four humors because it wasn't just that a witch could transmit dark magic to their helpers. But that they did it through their corrupt biology. Accused witches were often older women who were less healthy their bodies had begun to decay in a sense, and that opened a door for evil to slip in and take control the devil used this imbalance of humors to his advantage. He could remove their baptism and fill them with a new dark mission to be his agents in the land of the living. And there was something else. It was believed that witches drew their power from younger victims, literally by drinking their blood. It's an idea that showed up often in the confessions of interrogated witches, and it led to the belief that if blood was the cause then blood might also be the cure, if a witch corrupted another person by drawing their blood, then logically one might be able to break the curse by drawing some of the witches blood in return. This was the result of another complimentary line of thinking while Gaylon had been looking at the human body through the lens of the four humors a later Swiss man named para. Celsius had a different goal was an early sixteenth century physician who believed that the soul was biological part of the human body, and it was located in our blood, admittedly. This is a lot to take in. And it's one giant leap in logic after another. It sounds ridiculous to our modern minds, and it's easy to dismiss it all as a result. But one thing to keep in mind is that this was all about the fear people had of criminals, whether they were thieves or witches, the criminals among us represented a danger to society, they also represented power though and power as we all know is attractive and magnetic something supernatural existed in the blood of criminals, like a performance enhancing drug in while that was frightening on the surface. Many people began to think and talk about how that could be harnessed, of course, in order to get that blood. A criminal would have to die something that happened. All too often. In centuries ago. Crime was violence, and if it didn't kill someone right away. It might very well end in execution. A sort of live by the sword. Die by the sword mentality. I suppose one theory was that the more violent death criminal experienced the more powerful their blood became that. Somehow a quick and violent death trap the person soul in their blood for a bit longer than a normal natural death. There was a sense of residual vitality inside the corpse of a criminal which led to an incredible idea. However, repulsive and extreme it might sound to us today than the corpse of a criminal had the power to heal. All you had to do was touch. It. I said it before but it bears repeating there was very little about the practice of medicine that was scientific prior to the twentieth century. It was basically a weird combination of religious convictions folk medicine and straight up guesswork. Which is why human fat was an actual thing. People used on their own bodies long before Brad Pitt and Norton were making soap from it. People in the seventeenth in early eighteenth centuries were rubbing human fat on their sore feet and low back at fact, it was so common that it was considered a precious commodity where they obtained it is something I'll cover in a moment. But first let me answer the biggest question of them. All why? Well, it echoes back to that concept. I talked about earlier known as sympathetic magic. A modern example would be the voodoo doll, which is crafted to resemble a specific person allowing the owner to harm that person by harming the doll in a similar way sympathetic magic drove people to use human fat as a solve for issues that connected to their own body. But it didn't stop there. Using that same system of logic people used powdered blood to treat bleeding. They also ground up human skulls and prescribe the dust as a cure for dizziness because like treated like as far as they were concerned. So however, taboo, it might seem to us it made sense. And in doing so all of this gave rise to the idea of corpse medicine that actual parts of human. Corpses. Could be harvested and used as curative treatments for all sorts of common ailments. Of course, the concept wasn't new just the name itself and actually has roots in the first century. Thanks to the writings of the Roman physician. Plenty of the elder. There are accounts of people rubbing their sore gums with the tooth of someone who died violent death another of his stories records common prescription for epilepsy which was to drink fresh spring water in the middle of the night out of the skull of an executed, man. As the ancient world transformed into the middle ages and that in turn gave way to the enlightenment. It would be easy to assume that primitive ideas like these faded away. Instead, they seem to thrive then one of the most common traditions that permeated the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries was known as the hang demands hand. How did it work? Well, traditionally people who suffered from skin conditions or things that could be felt or noticed beneath the skin tumors goitres would come to the public hanging of a criminal. Then after it was all over they would approach the executioner who would take the dead man's hand. And brush it over the infected area sometimes touch was all that matter, but others believed the number of strokes was significant especially the number nine, according to historian, Owen Davies who is hands down the experts on all things corpse medicine. I recorded case of the hangman's hand. Appeared in seventeen fifty eight with the final one being noted over a century later in eighteen sixty three folks, that's not a long time in the grand scheme of things which flies in the face of the idea that these were primitive people, I also want to point out the key player in a lot of these traditions was the executioner it makes sense when you stop to think about it. If the most powerful corpse medicine comes from the bodies of those who died, violent deaths. The most dependable place to find them would be one of the frequent public hangings that took place in your town or county because the executioner was the gatekeeper between the crowd and the body. They quickly became seen as a sort of dispenser of healing remedies which was ironic because at the same time, they were some of the most hated individuals in society. Yes, they were simply doing their job. But a lot of people saw them as little better than the criminals they killed. In fact, that reputation made it difficult to find people willing to work as executioners it was a dishonorable trade and those who took on the job became social pariahs an attitude that became almost superstitious over time, you could never enter the home of hangman or even touch him without bringing dishonor upon yourself, except for one special moment that moment when they stood before the crowd and perform their sworn duty by executing the latest criminal in these moments. Everyone seemed to forget that stigma and instead made it their goal to be as close to him as possible lines would form filled with the sick and dying all of whom were simply looking for a cure or relief or some sort of supernatural fix that could make them whole again. But not all executions were bloodless hangings and not all people were content to rely on touching for the cure. They were desperate to receive few ailments were truly skin deep, and many people understood that for their sickness to be addressed they had to interact with these corpses in a less traditional way. Sometimes they had to eat them. Everything changes over time, including the way, people interacted with the corpses of executed criminals. And there were a couple of reasons for that. I not every ailment was external ver- all sorts of conditions that seem to be rooted deep inside the human body and simply rubbing deadman's hand on your skin. Just didn't feel like it was enough. So ancient folk medicine involving herbs and potions and various ingested cures began to blend with these new expectations. What was born has been given a bizarre and complex name by historians. Anthropologists medicinal cannibalism. And of course, you'll probably have a few questions about its without going into too much detail cannibalism as a way to find medical cures was already an ancient idea by the seventeenth century one first century Greek physician named Kelso's noted that a common treatment for epilepsy was to drink blood from the slashed throat of gladiator while it was still hot. Plenty of the elder who I mentioned earlier records, similar advice and even parasol sus recommended about fifteen hundred years later why? Well, there was an ancient belief that the vitality in life or of person was contained within the blood. Trapped and available to the living parasol sus referred to this life force in his work. As did Leonardo Davinci he described it in the way, we might describe picking tomato the moment it's removed from the vine it dies. And yet it still has the power to nourish us and sustain our health. But I said there were at least two reasons for the change in our interaction with criminal corpses. The second is more forceful and yet incredibly logical back when executions were done by hanging. The body was frequently left on the gallows for an extended period of time which meant people could arrive late and still benefit from the deadman's touch. But when beheading replaced hanging all of that changed no longer was there, a powerful available cure, just hanging in front of you for days on end, beheadings were quick and messy and cleaned up almost immediately. So people who still believed in corpse medicine had to adapt and out of desperation along with a bit of superstition. They set their focus on blood. A large portion of these instances were either epileptic patients or those who wanted to help them some would come forward and drink the blood right there as the executioner watched others would approach and requests that a small vessel be filled with the blood, which would then be taken home and us there, but the key was as always of violent death, and according to historian Owen Davies, sometimes the executioners assistance would take charge by collecting the blood in large containers that way when the crowds approached they didn't need to see the body itself, and the assistance would dispense the blood in a more professional manner, like a bartender or a morbid twist on the Christian practice of communion step to the rail and drink the blood. It's the sort of event you might expect. If your community has always done it. But for someone new like a visitor. You can imagine how off putting it might be. And that's the story of John Ross Browne a writer who found himself in Germany days before an execution outside the prison. Located in the town of Hanau from Brown was able to learn the criminal was a local farmer who had been wealthy and respected for years. But sometime prior to his trial and conviction. This farmer had taken on a significant amount of debt enough any worried about his ability to ever pay back, and he was desperate to fix that. Months before Brown's arrival this farmer hired a young woman who was making her way through the area. Saving money to set up a better life for herself. Elsewhere and win the former learned about this small fortune. She carried with her he plotted his way out of debt one night a short while later, lured her into a remote part of his property, and brutally murdered her taking her fortune for himself. Of course, her body was soon discovered the farmer was found guilty of her murder, which led to his trial and conviction and Brown had randomly entered the town right before his sentence was to be carried out death by beheading. It was a cold morning when the former was led out of the prison by a pair of priests and seated on a wooden chair in the center of a large scaffold guards surrounded the platform, keeping the enormous crowd of roughly three thousand on lookers at bay. But despite the huge numbers and the event they all come to witness Brown described the crowd as solemn and orderly. After he had been seated and tied to the chair. The farmer was blindfolded and a leather strap was fixed beneath his chin and held taught by one of the executioners assistance, then the executioner himself stepped forward tossed aside his cloak, and drew an enormous long sword which he held up for the craft to see. When he was ready. He leveled the sword behind the neck of the man he was about to behead like a golfer placing their club behind the ball. He made a few small practice motions pulling back and moving forward before he was finally ready. And then with a mighty swing. He struck. Wasn't clean. But Brown doesn't suggest that the former lived through the initial blow the executioner had to cut one last bit of muscle and tissue before the head came free. But when it did his assistant held at high still hanging by that leather strap all the crowd to see. What happened next is best left Brown to describe for us. So here's a quote from his account. I have now to record what would seem incredible in a civilized country standing near the scaffold in close proximity to the criminal within the guard of soldiers were six to eight men from the mass of the people said to be afflicted with epilepsy. The moment the head was off. These men rushed to the body with tumblers in their hands the blood as it spouted smoking warm from the trunk and drank it down with frantic eagerness their hands faces and breasts were covered with the crimson flood that ebbed from the heaving corpse one man too late to catch the blood as it spurted from the neck took hold of the body by the shoulders inclined. It's over a horizontal position poured out his tumbler full from the gory trunk and drank it in a wild frenzy joy. Brown, of course, was caught off guard. You can hear that in his words, and honestly any of us would feel the same. If we had been there to watch it. It was surprising and shocking and more than a little bar Barrick. But aside from descriptions of the farmers death and the rush to consume his still blood. There is one more detail that makes this event all the more unbelievable. Despite the fact that it actually happened the year that took place. It wasn't the middle ages or even the sixteenth century. No. It was the very same year that the American civil war began. Eighteen sixty one. There are a lot of traditions that seem easy to dismiss as primitive practices and beliefs that when placed within the context of our modern scientifically advanced world almost seem like elements from a fantasy novel or some Molyneaux old epic poem. They seem like a snapshot from another time and yet well here they are. But there's a fine line between taboo, and practical, and as medical science has grown and matured that line has become a bit more blurry. After all, what's an organ transplants. If not a very refined ended Vance to form of corpse medicine. We've never really let go of the idea that there's power in the human body. And that if we do it, just right? We can transfer that power from one person to another. Now, we've spent today talking about how executed criminals were used as the centerpiece of this bizarre and unorthodox practice. But there wasn't always a hanging or beheading available when people need it. So over the years other branches of medicinal cannibalism began to sprout up. The pages of history are filled with recipes that use human blood as the main ingredients. One Francis can pharmacy recorded the instructions for blood jam in sixteen seventy nine which involve leading the blood congealed before refining it down with heats and filtering through a sieve then it was kept in a glass jar for. Well. I don't know what. And I'm not sure I want to. And of course, that's where the tension lies. Yes. Hearing about these old traditions certainly has a way of twisting, our guts into a knot of uneasiness, but they happened and were part of human culture for a very long time right up into the late nineteenth century. In fact, there's even one record of an epileptic woman in Germany requesting blood from an executioner in nineteen. Oh eight but in her instance, she was turned away. Practices. Like that seemed ancient and have faithfully faded away from their place of prominence, but others are still here. With a modern twist bergh's ample in the fifteenth century Italian scholar, recommended that elderly people who were looking for a boost vitality should find a healthy and happy adolescent and suck their blood, preferably from the arm. And if that sounds familiar, that's because the media has been infatuated these days with a brand new medical startup that takes blood from young donors and makes it available to older customers for hefty price. There's no evidence it actually works. But that hasn't stopped them from opening multiple locations around the country. Oh, and this medical startup takes its name from the Greek myth of Ambrosia, which was the name of a drink used by the gods to grant them immortality. It's a fitting name to borrow, but there's a darker side to the myth is. Well, then one story Ambrosia is actually a nymph. And a man named like herbs of threes strikes. Her down with his acts in a fit of rage turning her into a grapevine, a violent death giving birth to the power to heal and sustain even today. The old superstitions still bleed through into our modern world. And there will always be those who line up to drink it. After everything we've discussed today. You would think I've covered all the bases. When it comes to medicinal cannibalism. Sadly, though, that's pretty far from the truth. And I picked out one more bit of story that I think you're going to love stick around after this brief sponsor break to hear all about it. This episode of Lor was made possible by all of you amazing listeners and by ZipRecruiter hiring used to be hard multiple job sites. Stacks of resumes, and confusing review process. But today hiring could be easy, and you only have to go to one place to get it all done, ZipRecruiter dot com slash Lor. 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There was an older tradition that began over four hundred years earlier to get there though, I need to take detour is he could fill hours of audio telling you all of the various ways, our ancestors tried to treat their elements. It's a deep topic with a lot of dark corners. But there's one in particular. I want to introduce you to it's called bitchy Mun. It's a thick black substance almost like a malleable wax. That's derived from petroleum a thousand years ago. It was a common form of treatment used in Greco Roman in Arabic cultures. The 'bitumen would be applied topically to the skin, and it was thought to aid in everything from pain relief to accelerating. The healing of wounds. Source. It was prescribed for coughs fevers, even broken bones. In time Europeans began to explore the regions around the Mediterranean, and that's where they encountered it for the first time. I'm sure more than a few of them asked where it came from. But the vast majority of people just sort of took it for granted it's Amon existed, and it was a medicinal aid. And who could complain about that. Then around the eleventh century Europeans got their first glimpse of the ancient human remains, scattered all across northern Egypt. And they noticed something. They're like dark stains on their corpses. Was a thick black substance that felt like a soft wax. Now. You also need to understand that Europeans had been told that the ancient Egyptians prepared. They're dead using 'bitumen. But I'm not sure how accurate that was. Yes, they remove the internal organs and replace them with chemicals mitts, preserve the body. And yes, those substances along with the body's natural fluids eventually seeped out through a process known as exa Dacian. The result was a black substance on the surface of the corpse and Europeans aided up. Literally. They assumed if it's just the bit him in used in the bombing process leaking out to the surface, surely, it would have the same healing effects as the bittermann used by ancient people more in fact. Because it came from dead bodies. So around the twelfth century they began to transport these ancient Egyptian corpses. Home where the entire body would be ground up and used as a medicine. In a lot of ways. It was the gateway drug. I these powdered human remains became popular because of their origin story and the substance associated with them. But that quickly spread to other uses for the human body king Charles the second was known to carry around glass, vile filled with ground human skull in an alcohol solution, they called it king drops, and he would take dose anytime. He felt ill. Nothing beats the original though for centuries ground up. Egyptian corpses were a hot commodity. It was exported all over and there are still records of insects century English customs books, but supply and demand eventually made it to expensive for the ordinary European and that's about the time. People started grasping for easier. Straws straws like the hangman's hand or the blood of beheaded criminal. Oh, and one last thing the Latin word for that black bitumen wax was the term Mumia and because the first. Encounter is that Europeans. Had with ancient. Egyptian corpses was essentially a mining effort to extract this Mumia for their own gain. They started referring to the bodies as mummies and the name has stuck around this day. Bitumen is still around to. If you probably saw some today because it's the main ingredient in asphalt the substance we use to surface our roads. And hopefully now every time you see it. You'll be reminded of how far humans have traveled over the years. No matter how you wrap it up. There's no escaping an awful truth. Some people will do anything to feel better. This episode of lore was written and produced by me Aaron minke with research by Sam Alberdi and music by Chad Lawson Lor is much more than just a podcast. It's a book series available in bookstores and online and two seasons of the television show on Amazon prime video check them both out if you want more lower in your life. I also make to other podcasts Aaron mckie's cabinet of curiosities and unexcused, and I think you'd enjoy both of them. Each one explores other areas of our dark history ranging from bite sized episodes to season long dives into a single topic. You learn about both of those shows and everything else going on over in one central place, though, world of Lor dot com slash now. And you can also follow the show on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram just search for Lor podcast all one word and then click that follow button. And when you do say, hi like it when people say, hi. And as always, thanks for listening.

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The Battles Over The 2020 Census

Diane Rehm: On My Mind

41:17 min | Last month

The Battles Over The 2020 Census

"My name is Natalie Europe lifter. I'm an audio engineer at W. Amu in Washington D. C. I work with Diane and the team of producers on each episode of this podcast. Love getting that sneak peek into Diane's engaging thoughtful conversations with guests asking the pointed questions as only she can and its support from listeners that keeps those questions coming. If you'd like to show your appreciation for on my mind, make a donation today at Diane ream dot org slash donate and thanks. Diane on my mind, the battle for did twenty twenty cents the trump administration sought to end the count early. But last night a judge in California barred them from doing so. How I ever the Department of Justice Signal, they plan to appeal it just the latest twist in census challenged by the pandemic and marked by political wrangling. Andrew with is the author of the. Book titled The some. People held the census shake nations from the ancient world the modern age. Within Friday morning about the history at the census in the US and why it's so important to get it. Right. Andrew Tell me why the trump administration felt it. So necessary to end the census count early. So by my reading of the order from last night and from the Elliot. Testament. There's not an official reason for that. That's one of the things obviously the call was trying to find out, but the speculation is that is connected to another ongoing piece of. In the sense which relates to this executive memorandum that was issued by the White House in about July and the subject of that memorandum was basically a statement that the president would communicate a different set of figures. Proportionate of states to Congress than has traditionally been the case, and so president trump said that they would remove the counts of undocumented people. From the population figures that provided by the Census Bureau not something that has never happened before most people I think who know about this topic think it is unconstitutional and indicated he'd being considered by a panel of three judges in New York and they found it to be so. So at that point at this point brother that's not going to happen. I think at the time that memorandum was being issued in July somebody in the white. House realized that that would be kind of an inoperable or at least potentially inoperable thing if president trump loses the election and if the those figures were being delayed into April, which was the Census Bureau plan at the time that that would fall into the next presidency and so I think the speculation is that they might have canceled this kind of extended planets your had adopted in respect of covid. I in order to bring that action back into. Say early January it would typically happen which would fall under the current presidency and ensure that the debt memorandum which as I said, has already been found illegal on your court to to allow that to happen. So I think that's the reason that most people think is explanation or a canceling. This is very sensible extended time line and bring it back to what is now very rushed one would have been. So the trump administration is saying that the final numbers that final count should have. been or should be by December thirty one and what those who are arguing for extension of the senses are saying is that that final count should be delayed until April thirty one is that correct? Yes that's right. But it's a little bit more complicated because December thirty one day is data which under the law the Census Bureau has to provide those figures to the president for abortion meant. So so that's the status quo at the moment or at least it was going to the code. But. What happened when Clinton came along is a census bureau had to delay everything right all of the fieldwork. Oh, the face to face off the Census Bureau count. Steady forty percent of the country went on hold for several months like everything in our lives. For, many people went on hold during that period. and. So the census spirit came out with this very sensible delay to. Work. And the natural consequence of that was that they would have to delay when they submitted those tickets to the president and eventually on to Congress apportionment. To, actually make that final day change happen they would have had to be I congress congress would have to approve that because it is in law having said that all the indications were that that would happen the Secretary Columbus made that request administration was on side. So Census Bureau naturally assumed that that would happen I think well into unit August and then according to the what's come out on this case in California there was a decision from outside the bureau from the pump calmness or above that in fact that wasn't going to happen, they would abandon these attempts to to offer congressional extension and they would just go ahead with the with the old dates. So that's the situation. So explain to us why the census which is taken. Once each ten years is so important now and always has been a really see it as a an integral part of how the United States decided to construct is former representative government. So if you think about the idea that no taxation without representation was this kind of driving force of the river movements when the freemen's sat down to draft the constitution, they were thinking about these issues thinking, how should we tax people? How should? We established representation and philosophically more democratically inclined than than perhaps was the standard in Europe at the time but they will also sort of rational scientific enlightenment people and so then it would have made sense to say, well, we'll do we should establish representation here on the basis of how many people we've actually counted in this kind of rational Meta in different parts of the country, and so that is established in Article One of the Constitution this is the way that Congress will be apportioned. And so that's the first and most important reason that we do this census. Every ten years is to have kind of factual basis on which to to apportion the members of Congress amongst the states but the second reason today, which is very important as well, which is though even though taxation didn't actually follow in exactly that same way. No, we have different methods of taxation rather than bushing it. On a headcount, a lot of federal spending dollars get distributed on the basis of the census and it's not necessarily again, exactly sort of per Ross. On the number of people you have an estate, but it's very connected to that, and so there's an estimate from professor intervene bread George Washington University that one point five, trillion dollars at one point five, million, million dollars of federal spending defeated the states every year. In some way in connection with the census numbers. So so the CY enormous considering the ruling that judge saying that the county must continue what happens now I think that's a question. A lot of people are wandering. Suddenly in that case, the Census Bureau, push back a bit and said while if you extend the counting period that's going to compress the passing period, which is already extremely compressed So the the counting the the process occurrence where they they've taken all of the data they collected from us but now they have to do things like make sure you know p double counted maybe you submitted a census online sense you may Boston House and the Senate has to figure that out. And that takes time. So so that was going to be even more compressed by extending counting, and that was one of the reasons that the Census Bureau officials who right estimate that case. Reluctant to extend account curated. But in the injunction join census from his new plan on today's by the data into accounting, which was was going to be the end of September and has now pushed to well, we've seen back to the old days of the end of October. And similarly that sympathy one day it appears has been pushed back to what the Census Bureau was proposing before the latest replan which was as. You said in April we said that the legislation still stands that says that this number has to be provided by December thirty one. So I think it puts the Census Bureau in a really difficult position and the judge wrote a little bit about that and said, well, statutory deadlines off the only thing that matters accuracy matters as well and agencies do miss the deadlines and colts will support that in certain circumstances so. I think is now an open question of whether what I think should happen, which is the congress steps in and moves that date and sort of removed is difficult delimits insecure faces whether the Census Bureau tries to cut the processing time even more still make that date despite counting longer and I think if they did that that would be physical challenges or the Census Bureau just just misses that date without a legislative change and then see what happens if. You mean, the Census Bureau could go forward without the Congress taking any action. The Congress has been delinquent. That's word I'm using on. So many issues before the congress, you really expect them to take up the issue quickly. Another great question I would approve of your use of the Word Lincoln. This is a problem that seems like it should have had a straightforward solution from April. It's really minor amendment to something the consequences of of delaying those dates a fairly small. The real consequences would be a couple of states that have general elections cycles in next year would potentially have new data available to do state level redistricting but you know you're talking about states out of fifty that would. Be affected this I think it should have been a really easy decision Congress and they didn't and got wrapped up in the politics of of the covid relief bills and things like that. So I think the question is now with this extraordinary pressure that I think has been created on the Census Bureau whether that will cause members of Congress senators to think a little bit differently about it, and there is currently an effort in the Senate bill I think which has. Maybe to Democrats than Republican cosponsors might my sense is that's not necessarily something we would want to rely on happening but I think there's a possibility of something happening in Congress. But as I said, if it doesn't the judge suddenly business a situation where the Census Bureau justices legislative. I guess in that sense, it will probably end up. Back. Nicola. Could it be declared an illegal senses if it misses that deadline. As a non lawyer I think that is beyond my ability to comment on. Heads this is always been this political or is it particular to this election year and everything has going on politically both in the sense that has always being Somewhat political but I also think most historians who looking at this think that this is as political as it is being at least in hopefully twentieth century twenty, th century history. So the census was political from from day one one of the amusing things about the the first census in seventeen ninety was the George Washington and Thomas Jefferson who who is secretary of state was managing census. Then they didn't really believe the. Numbers. That came in, they had expectations that this new nation had grown and should have a high population than than the the census had reported Thomas Jefferson handed out copies of census results with his own adaptations on what he thought the population was a different positive. The country having said that they accepted the result that came from the senses that was the number that was eventually used proportionate. So it has long been political. The degree of authorizations risen in four and in the lost the end of the twentieth century. Nineteen Eighty S on woods, it revolved around a number of issues that came up repeatedly. So one was was kind of operational issue around the Census Bureau had to sort of count everybody individually whether it could you sampling methods which are used for most other governments. Brations like the unemployment says is based on a sample of households, not everybody and the conventionally found that that they couldn't based on the legislation. But so there are issues like this and they've become very much aligned on on. Our partisan basis because people are making calculations about. Well, if the Census Bureau does things one way will advantage you know people who are living in Republican areas and increased disadvantage and so on. So it's been political it's become. I think particularly partisan in the last few decades and this is definitely I think a decade in which the census has been mobile than I can. I can think of a previous reason, one adecco of any precedent for decisions like this being made with. Days left of counting to extend the time line. So where are we right now with the census count? Yeah. That's a a great question. So as all of the numbers that they released yesterday, which referred to to Wednesday, basically ninety six point six percent of households had been counted nationally which called sounds like a law but remember they've been doing this since before April. So with. Before last night's decision, we face around ninety six points. Six was actually not great and people might get a little confused about that number is another number that everyone was quoting earlier. So the census is broken up into sort of two major pots as self response, which is where you go online and you reply it took ten minutes people can still do that by the way. At my twenty, twenty, thousand, Census Dot Gov as of right now, that will that will extend through October thirty one if there's no further legal developments as a result of this ruling some people if they haven't replied senses, they can still do that and they still should but apartments off response that covers about two thirds of households and the remaining third enumerated in person. So some. Don't have access to Internet will have a good mail service and said, essentially created will go around and visit the house knock on the door and talk to them. And then there's a lot of people who don't self respond and mail gets lost a busy they had covert and they haven't been at home for months and so in those cases Census Bureau does what Kohl's Norris on follow up and that good that means going around to each of those houses while knocking on the doors and interviewing them, and that's the part of the census that has been very live in the last couple of months, and that's really where the action is. Now as much as people should go on and self on now, I don't think we can realistically expect that number to go much higher. So so what's left to be done has to be done in person hidden past takings. Hell Hi, has Actually Been I. Think in twenty ten, that percentage of households that they resolved is to use. So they they found good information about Donald I think that was ninety nine point five percent at it doesn't mean that the half percent that's left doesn't get counted but what it means is the Census Bureau will use all the mechanisms to estimate on appeal ends houses. So for instance. They'll do what they call statistical invitation where they they kind of say well, we missed a household Say in Brooklyn where I live. So we'll pick another household at random in Brooklyn that looks a bit like that. That household will say that number of people live there. So a very small number of the of households when you made like that in two, thousand, ten But the Census Bureau they say goal is that it would like to reach one hundred percent of every state but they're willing to accept ninety nine percent of every state based on that thousand ten figure. Is there any indication at given this ninety six point six that is the current figur-. Response is, is there any indication or any evidence that the low earth figure has something to do with fear of responding to this emphasis? It does to the extent that. We know there are people who who do fears the Census and we know that they typically often went respond they. They're not going to of willingly comply with the census like this, and there are suddenly categories of people who refuse to respond to the census. So who don't answer then offline there, Dole? Who Do answer see at somebody's insensible and saying, thank you I'm interested and again we don't necessarily have great data on how that's playing out this year. But because of lost years legal controversy about the census, which was whether there should be a question about citizenship on the question and because of the I think the. General climate of fear the domes citizens are living in the states, the increase in enforcement that's happened under this administration and that executive memoranda. But I mentioned that said undocumented people wouldn't be counted I. think There's a lot of sort of us out there which would incline people to potentially WanNa, have nothing to do with the census. So yeah, I think that is part of it. Give me an idea of why people would not want to have anything to do with the census. It's a little difficult to to speak about I obviously would like everybody to respond to the Census and I think it's a safe thing to do. Anything safe thing to do. There are very strong legal and ethical guidelines around people working census, bureau from revealing that information to anyone outside even with in other parts of government. So the Census Bureau reveal your information they collect to, for instance, dot of Homeland Security that is forbidden by law. Have you said that the have been historical occasions in which including this country census data has been? Used to people's disadvantage so much prominently, it was found by historians, but in the Second World War for the purposes of of Internment of Japanese-americans Census data was on occasion used to identify whether those people lived. So I, think there is reason to fear census taking but I would want to reassure people that in even whatever you think about the current political climate that there are strong safeguards around it. Now help us to understand the importance. Census and how these numbers are actually you. So like I said this apportionment, that's the original constitutional purpose of the Census and people think well, it's congress instant that but remember the the congressional apportionment is also used to. Allocate the votes in the Electoral College as well. So not for this presidential election but for the next presidential election, the numbers that come out of the census will determine how many electrical gets. And there are a number of states who potentially could lose congressional shipment as a result of a what would have been an early stopped senses. But in general, there are always some states, every census who will kind of on the border of May be gaining a seat maybe losing us and so getting many people counted as possible is is really important so in. The opinion piece that I had in the New York Times this week with weathering times writers we founded. By by stopping counting at the end of September that would mean that a seat that Florida would have gotten would it say go to a higher So that was kind of a net if between stopping in September and carrying on Togo but the April that we we based on Alice's on from from us, they said the American statistical exertion found. You know that that Montana might be in that position or Arizona physician. So there are states that you really need every loss to be counted in order to sure that they get. The Phallic case of congressional seats. So that's the first thing is apportionment and the Electoral College. And the second thing is said is is federal spending one point five, trillion dollars. Every year is a an enormous amount of of money we again, in that article, we looked at once abundant of. Relatively small component that was medicaid spending. Even them you're talking about you know fifty million dollars plus that some states might have lost stopping county in. September. Rather than going through to October. So That's money that could be spent to. Treat people who have voted for instance. So that's the two, the two big things that people point to. But the this sort of a abroad Hodeida quantify element, which is that having an accurate census is important to understand who we are as a nation I understand for instance, how many people live each state part of the country to understand you know if you're a a small minority group maybe wanted to how many people within that group there are because we collect. Information about race and ethnicity OMA senses. There are groups who are looking for that information to understand you know what kind of representation in the national debates should be on what are the country they top. So it's really important that we have that data and it also feeds into other statistical of is that the federal government does. So for instance, those surveys on things like unemployment will become less accurate if the basic population data is accurate. So you mentioned Congressional Representation Electoral College Votes Healthcare. In terms of Medicaid what about school? What about public safety? Are they tied into account a? If you look through this list of these one point, five, trillion dollars of federal programs you'll find programs in nearly every area that that in some way will depend on population because I mean if you think about it if you're on the federal government and you'll distributing funding to two states one of the most sensible ways to do it is to say we'll just how many people that. And they get that Matsu population is something that feeds into many many areas with his federal spending. But of course, it's not just that because it's not just the federal government that uses is data state and local governments are also using sensitive to determine how they allocate spending within within their respective regions. So so yeah, of course, if there's any program which which is kind of distributing money. Downwards to ground level population is going to be song consideration. Quick break more Andrew with the when we come back. My Name's Nick Cardigan I listen to the Diane ream show for many decades, and now my son is listening with me to Diane. Ream on. My mind makes me think of when I listened to the Diane ream show with my mom. It takes a lot of work to produce a podcast like on my mind gets made because of the members of WMU. So if you love it, then you can support it you can make sure it keeps getting made and you keep hearing Diane on the air. Make a donation at WMU DOT org. Here's. My conversation with Andrew Whitby authorized the. The people help the census has shape nations from the ancient world to the modern age. Considering. The that role ruling out we got. Saying that the should be extended until October thirty one. Is there any possibility that the director the Census Bureau could order his employees never the labs to stop work September thirtieth th. I think that's unlikely a even before this injunction that was temporary restraining order that the judge had put in place a week ago. So only be two weeks ago to to basically Austin's bureau to pretend to they're they. Extended time line and as far as I can tell the Census Bureau mostly complied with that. There was some reporting that maybe in some area offices. Staff. WHO SHOULDN'T BE? Let go under the federal restraining. Motta. But on the whole, it seemed like they complied and so I I mean again if they did it would be in breach of a agricultural. Is. Any way that stopping the census taking could rebound poorly on Republicans who hold the Senate right now Just so that guests at the question I think a little bit of a what really all the political motivations of everybody who's involved in this elaborate process that we've been through. Most straightforwardly I think, yes, you questions. Yes I think if I lived in a state. Say Say Montana the An account because Montana right now. On the top three states with the most remaining to be counted and that I lost one of my seats in Congress that I would have otherwise had because of an undercount, the a Seneca could have resolved through legislative action. Then I I think I would be thinking twice about that senator again. So I can imagine situations where y yes. This should have political consequences I for hungry that could have resolved. This problem hasn't. Why it said them, Montana has the most people who have not yet been counted. Montanaro is a bit of an exception to list which is otherwise headed by mostly southern states. The states have have a couple of reasons they had sold responsible on the low end originally, but also they had a kind of peak in covid intensity. Time the Census Bureau was thought it was restarting fieldwork. So I think things got moving slowly. On top of that, they've had Whether. If had hurricanes moving through, they've had tropical storms. It's made things difficult on tyler is is a different situation. I think it is the case among kind of some of this relates to and you of of Indian reservations where the have been difficult as well. So I think that might be figuring in Montana situation. So your book that you've written on this. Traces and taking back to is urgent who came up with the idea of taking a census to begin with. It's a good question. I I don't give a definitive answer on that right I, trace it back. Thousands of years. So so these examples people may be most familiar with are in the Bible. So it's it's in the New Testament. A lot of people may may remember if you think back people familiar with the Christian New Testament that on. The Nativity in the but Jesus takes place amid according to to Luke this journey that Mary and Joseph taking from from Nazareth Bethlehem in order to be counted and enrollment census that had been declared by by August. But it goes back further than that. Right? I mean that takes us back to around one idea if you like but it goes back even even perhaps a one or two thousand years earlier than that. So the old, testament. Also has has a number of sensitive in fact, the the book of numbers in the Old Testament. is is named because it is full of sort of census counts of the different tribes of Israel and you can even go back to exodus in his to census taking. So that's an insult of Judeo Christian mythology if you like you can trace census back that fall, but there's also examples in other parts of the world. So another very early one that eventually is senses of of Emperor Review in China. That was allegedly this is again in the midst of mythology. Emperor, of China who was did a lot of major sort of public works. So he he kind of prevented the rivers flooding in systems and generally hunt built that infrastructure of of ancient China and allegedly he took account of of Chinese citizens as well and hang out with a number from that so. You can trace these things to the point where we no longer have good good contemporaneous written history on. So I would censor taking is about as old as people living in groups big enough that you need to do it I mean if you live with a family of ten people, you don't need to take a census. But if you live in a tribe of one hundred people than than having a countless people is probably missile what happens around the world right now do other countries take a census periodically or as we do each ten years. The United Nations and its predecessors in fact, recommend that countries take censuses every ten years and most countries do take census about every ten years. There are some countries that take the more often. So I'm a strategy administrative takes a sense, every five years, but basically, most countries say ninety percent of countries also probably will be taking a census either this year or next year. So these sentences typically happen every ten years on kind of. You know two, thousand, two, thousand, ten, twenty cents this year or one year after that. One of the interesting things about that is that means that we don't have to look at the US census. In isolation as we think about how it has responded to Cuban because there are dozens of other countries are also trying to take a census this year and all the United States was quite unlucky in trying to undertake much of its work. Right That I would have really took off in March April other countries. Ah Now facing the same thing will planning for that and so I looked is I haven't looked at this for a while number I looked back in April and at that point I think there were a couple of dozen countries was seriously thinking about delaying things, essences, several countries that had already delayed them in some cases a year because of Cohen. So this idea. That we should stick to the original deadlines as written legislation and the Census Bureau's aren't request to extend. The time to do the census should be ignored is is not only. about idea and Kinda, rushland itself. It's very much at odds with what most of the rest of the world is doing that populations how ever considering the fact that our senses is so politically tied are the senses taken by other countries as politically? Linked as ours are so I would say most countries nausea and particularly I, think most countries that the United States would like to compare itself with they noticed political. There are various reasons for that but I think to some extent is kind of. Genius idea if you like of linking it. So tightly in the constitution which made such sense you know in seventeen, eighty seven, it's a bit of an impediment now to how we send it very much restricts some of the actions that that other countries abroad contain from applying in the US. So so that that politicisation is is less of an issue in many disease but that said, there are many countries where the census extremely political. So in the book I write about the fact that Lebanon hasn't had a complete census since it was under French rule in nineteen, thirty two. And the reasons for that again, politics she lied so so there is a distribution of power in Lebanon along religious lines and it is very much a kind of fixed thing and changing that would be seen as destabilizing and yet if you took a census of people and figured out a up relations had shifted since they will loss adjusted that might create pressure to change. It. So so instead, they just don't we'll take census but you know there are any country that has kind of political You know all all collectively ethnic or religious tensions that kind of geographically organized as well. Often, you'll find problems with census taking because it's to somebody's advantage to to to count better or worse or leave out some people count on the people. So here we are in twenty twenty. And some people are suggesting that the fences and the electoral college itself both should be abolished. That there is no longer a need. What do you make it? I would separate them out Many countries have have a electoral system which does not have something like the Electoral College which. Again. As A. Non American A permanent resident here but not being born here educate he the electoral college way seems like a weird kind of cake tradition relying a lot on sort of goodwill and. Structure. That makes a lot of sense for a country where two months trouble from place to place potentially. But but making a lot less sense today. So that's one thing and I I mean. That's kind of political argument. We do that the sentences a bit different I. think like I said, practically every country has something like, oh sentences if you put the constitution ciphers because, of course, the constitution requires both of those institutions. But if you put that aside, if the constitution will open to amendment, you wouldn't have to do the census quite like we do it. Now other countries do things which are as accurate and much cheaper. But, they can do it because it is not so. Politically fraught and because they are not necessarily bound by the of rigid language of the constitution which. Is the case in the US? So, where do you think we go from here? What's your best guess will be census taking continue or will a number of legal challenges to the judge's ruling that came down just as Sturday? Will that? The challenged fought against. Their by stop this emphasis from going forward. Yes. So just to be clear about the dates the senses taking if you like the counting will only go through the end of October, even even under the the current injunction and actually, I'm I'm comfortable with that date. That's the date Census Bureau chose when they were from political pressure to determine counties that make sense It's it's the processing in the tabulating results and on that takes you through dissemble through April if we extend. To hasten senses, there are many. Cases Around the census but the two that I'm following have been the line one that was just a again that decision came in last night and the the presidential memo on on nicely undocumented people from abortion but I. Think both of those cases are going to be appealed I. Think it's extremely unlikely that the the memorandum, the idea that we wouldn't count undocumented people in abortion bushman succeeded. Even. Spring coat level. It is such a break from tradition from from legal precedent. From legislative president as well I think it would be remarkably. If if that was timed at on appeal. The Tomlin one I'm I'm not sure about like I. I gave you my caveat Elliott that I'm not a lawyer. But it does seem to me that the. This relies on the Interpretations Administrative Procedures Act. It's the same basic era of law had applied in the citizenship question case last year. And that was not a unanimous decision in print court, and in that case, there was this kind of clear evidence that the administration had a kind of Tyrian Tim if you like for for doing. So they basically lied about the reasons for doing for making this change question whereas in this case It's it's not clear. What the reason was that hasn't really come out as yet. So I I think it's it's it's possible. This would be a more. This If, it goes to appeal I. Think I think you'd be less such that it will necessarily come out the same way. So in that case, yeah, you could see potentially again a change in plan an interruption whatever is doing and maybe maybe some hope to accounting before one depending on on the tons of cases. But either way I think what will happen is Everyone will wait. For the data and when the data comes in again, you could see you could see legal challenges. Early when when it was obvious that the coronavirus pandemic was affecting the census I looked back at previous censuses to see whether any. Precedents this where know global pandemic has has intervened in a census and the nineteen twenty cents is sort of just escaped know nineteen, seventeen, nineteen, eighteen influenza pandemic but there is reference in the reports from that census cities localities we disappointed with the total population that since told them they had and they challenged some of those results. Post. Defends itself and says that most of the challenges were found to be Lacking in substance, but but but on the implications there is that some of the some of the deaths that from that pandemic along with some other things like a doctorate immigration meant that cities disappointed with almost the soul and they do have some legal avenues to explore if that's the case and so I think we can see that happening again. Next year when the numbers are. Before we close is there anything else you'd like to say to our listeners. Your thank you for giving me that question because there was something that I was reflecting on this morning and it gives me. Some comfort in a tumultuous week I think. So there's been a lot of A lot of. used. Commentary on the State of American democracy. This. Week and comments by the president having exactly helped that respect. But I think it's it's really interesting to read through this off from from from this car the judge in the in California and to see the different. Agencies different sort of civil society innovations that have been relied upon in reaching his judgment. So the the judge specifically refers to the GAO's report, the Government Accountability Office Report on the Census Department Komo's Office of Inspector General's report on the census. As quotes from officials in the Census Bureau. So it gives me confidence that there are lots of pots of government that I kind of holding things together and keeping. Keeping these issues to account on and so that that's something that I think we can all take a little bit of comes from. Well I. Thank you. Andrew for the research you've done for the work you've done. The only thing I would like to urge people to do. is to make sure to fill out those senses forms. Either when someone comes to your door or on your computer, we need those numbers. Andrew. Thank you so much for joining us. That was through with be authorized. The people how the centers has shaped nations on the ancient world to the modern age? And that toll for today. Thanks to those of you who've reached out to let me know what you'd like me to cover during these very difficult times. Please continue to let us know what's on your mind. You can find us on facebook and twitter or incentives email the our podcast at WMU. Or? The kids composed by Jim Bradberry and then lands Verka what. Show is produced by Rebecca Costner Alison. Brody our engineer is my kid. Thanks to all of you for listening please where are your mask take care of your sales and take care of those you love. I'm John.

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Hades and 13 Sentinels Gamescast #48

"Off hello and welcome to Salt City Games cast. My name's Nick. This is episode 45 and I am happy to report that I'm code free Andrew Milton. Are you going free as far as I'm away as far as you're aware juror at all? Yeah for sure. Same question. Yeah. Yep. It's a great news. It sounds like we the three of us all see the games cast is more responsible. I don't know people White House go figure. It's going onto it's now much. I feel pretty good happy to be you know, talking games with you guys again four or five forty five times. We've done this but we talking about this is episode 48 48 started out saying 45 Nick just to be I did you absolutely and we I mean we can rewind or afterwards we can make a bit or whatever, but I'm pretty sure you said forty-five which I thought was odd seeing as though we had just discussed Thursday coming up on 5th Street. And anyway in great. I think that it is wild that we are still doing this and people seem to enjoy it so long as you guys continue to give us positive feedback will continue to do it. Oh my God, I'm going to be real excited when we've had enough Games cast that you can start listening dog. Games cast right when we release a new one but started the beginning and not be caught up by the time we have the next Games cast. So two weeks worth of content. Yeah, I think with their dick our Christmas special was like five hours long of us being shipped faced and I think any sane human would take at least two weeks to digest that. So I think here in New listener don't listen to the Christmas special don't do it. Just save yourself some time and do not listen to it. Well, well, let's be clear the 2019 special was okay. It's the 2018 one that you really gotta watch out for someone just download it like a week ago and I was just like fuck we lost that listener. Yeah. Well, oh man, that sucks. That is funny. I don't I don't know. I I was at Lakeshore today getting some beer and this random girl asked the employee an employee there so long You have tremens delirium and I'm like, whoa, what folks I mean, I'm just like listening and watching this thing happened and he has no idea what she's talking about. And then she actually finds it on our own and it's a beer bong and it's a Belgian L. And I bought one. I brought it over to you mids. Have you tried it yet I have and it is definitely a belgian-style beer with what is oddly. It's slightly gross bubblegum aftertaste. I don't know if you've tasted that but it's very Belgium and right away. I like it more than I'm not necessarily a big fan of Belgian else and I was very surprised that this thing has a 8 and 1/2. Who is this eight eight and a half year loan ain't half percent alcohol. It's dangerous. It's kind of like that to row or that's like that feeling hazy. It doesn't taste like eight and a half at least not to me know it doesn't it's actually I mean, it's a it's a dog. Whitby that's pretty true to style. I'm not a big Belgian beer fan. I know that a lot of people are better. It's true too true to that style and it's smooth and it you know for a bit. I'm not that into it's still drinkable. So yeah, thanks for bringing it over. I always take free beer. Yeah. Well the whole reason I bought it is she saw me looking at it after she got and she came like walked back and she's like, that's the best beer I've ever had and I was just like, well, I kind of have to get it now because I'm a fact check this to see if that's true and I'm happy to report that this is not the best I've ever had but I I have two more and I will I will drink some too bad. I like the bottles. But yeah, they're pretty cool does an elephant on it. Yeah. I think the first time I ever encountered the brand, I don't know if it's the exact same here that you guys are drinking when we were talking off prior to the show. I brought up delirium nocturnum, which I believe is a beer that they make and I found those a long time ago and they're just super high, you know ABV so for dumb kid, you're like fuck. Yeah. I'm going to get ripped on these things and then I found out that they were also gross so I was pretty disappointed about that. But yeah, I don't know if it's the same same beer the bubblegum thing. It's just very very familiar to me cuz that wage whole thing. I was like is taste like bubblegum. So maybe it is the exact same thing and I just am getting the name wrong, but I think in part of it the word you keep saying, is that brand of fan that you can buy phone number. A PC that has not too. Yeah, his finally fucking made a black one that isn't that like, yeah pale white the knock mail box fan. Yeah, if anybody knows anything about PCS the noctua coolers are are fairly divisive coolers. They pretty consistently pumps out very very ideal temperatures for cooling CPU. They pretty consistently match or beat some of the all-in-one liquid coolers. Yeah out there for sure while yeah, but they are hideously ugly and they're they're ridiculously large. They're like like human like Caucasian skin color of like a like diarrhea Brown for the fan color and they're just so ugly. Like I have one in my PC right now and man wage PC is like every time I look inside of it. I'm like this wouldn't be bad-looking if it wasn't for this thing going to spring for the black on black version that's out there just so you don't have to bring it every time you looking. Yeah. I mean if I were to build a new pc, I probably would go with the black ones for sure. I guess I could justify the black fan housing and the fans and replace them. I mean they could easily be popped on. Yeah the heatsink that I have and call it a day but it's a $10 premium for the black fan that they they invented black and they charge $10 more for a yeah, it's a it's it's kind of an annoying set up. You know, when you start tinkering with PCS and stuff like that a lot of times in the few upgrades that I've done on my my rig I've been like got these things are so big and fucking annoying like them. Look at like I owe coolers and stuff like that and you're like, oh that that seems a lot better at least from like ergonomic standpoint. Did George Brett one of our friends? They've played with them a little bit play some rocket league with them. Actually, I built his computer a couple months back and you know, this is my go-to fan if I build someone computer cuz I know it just kills it and I built it but his case is was a little smaller than what your guys's cases are your phanteks and off when I way when we shut the panel it like pushes against the fucking thing. It was like we're looking at it and were like teetering and I'm just like, I mean, it's good to work home. That's fine. It's still be fun. Did you pcpartpicker it? And yeah, that was an issue. Nothing came up. I mean, it's barely it like it's not I birth He's not gonna have a problem or anything like that, but it's pretty funny to put that panel on and literally feel it kind of touch and snuggling up against it. Yeah, it's a I mean what for price point that fan vs. Any liquid cool system is pretty reasonable for what you get. I mean, yeah, it's just hideously ugly about any totally definitely perform as well. I mean with black fans, it's still going to be monstrous and and ugly. I mean, but just a little bit less. So yeah is fucking ridiculous song Microsoft made a small purchase since our last recording they went out and decided that they would by Bethesda holyshit. This has to be the biggest acquisition since what since Microsoft bought Minecraft probably this is pretty big news. I think this is pretty incredible for Microsoft brand and wage. Trying to push here the idea that the next Elder Elder Scrolls is going to be at least a XBox exclusive. It'll go to PC as well. But when you start talking about Fallout and Elder Scrolls like this is a this is a this impacts the entire industry. Absolutely. I mean, they were PS4 PS5 exclusives that are now owned by Microsoft that they have still turn around and said, they will honor the exclusive but I mean as a in terms of a massive acquisition that's just there to bolster off Xbox games pass with some titles that are have a good fan fervor behind them, you know, it's a massive acquisition and in terms of bethesda's off the pedigree of the game, they've put out recently. I think they needed a they needed a change to kind of save those titles cuz Fallout 76 was gross. Hopefully this can bring back some of the older Fallout style quality to the table, but we'll see. Yeah, I mean, there's no way that you could look at this and not think that it's a walk-in huge, you know Earth shifting acquisition. I mean seven billion dollars for a company like this. I mean, it's zenimax. I think is the the owner of all of these proprietary just videos. So from that perspective, I think that that's what's most interesting to me like yes, all of the press is going to go to the fact that Elder Scrolls and and follow games are going to be exclusive to Xbox consoles in the future and definitely super impressive acquisition and you can't take anything away from that page one big asterisks or caveat is like are they going to make a good Elder Scrolls or Fallout game? Because they're not really firing off. All cylinders at this point sure their track record is pretty poor. So at least lately so that that's one big big asterisks on this whole thing. But the smaller, you know companies that are under this Cinemax umbrella that is very impressive in my opinion and and kind of more exciting than looking at but that's itself all these other. Ancillary Studios. They they are they brought on a lot of Heavy Hitters that are going to pump out, you know, Microsoft exclusive game. I have no doubt about that. So if they can, you know, just figure out how to get Todd Howard and that whole situation in line and I have no doubt with Microsoft's ability to you know, kind of funnel Capital into Bethesda. I'm sure that their products will probably be better better off for it, right? Yep. I I mean I have been bad lately, which doesn't give me any joy to say but no, I mean when we say, I mean a lot of games involved but the Fallout has not right Fallout was what was not good. I mean Doom is included Doom still fine. Yeah. Yeah, you know how long I mean Elder Scrolls. They haven't screwed up in other schools, except I mean, they launched on fire, but they get them fixed. So that's true. But the thing is Elder Scrolls as far as the the team and what they're doing Starfield is before the next Elder Scrolls and Starfield could be as early as next year. I am barely shown anything on it. I don't know. I I think this is pretty interesting. And if anything it really shows you just reinforces that Microsoft has a different philosophy wage. Because they could have bought this and they could have turned around and said Fallout and Elder Scrolls are exclusive to the Xbox. But they said it was going to PC as well because if they'd come back and said fall-outs going and it will not be on PC. I would buy an Xbox like I even though I hate where they what's happened to fall out. I'm kind of a forever fan. I will play the next fall out. So but they I don't know if it's like Goodwill they're trying to not you know, people might be mad if they come out especially in Elder Scrolls cuz it has a PC fucking game. So maybe just trying to keep Goodwill and just push their services. Yeah an interesting way to look at it for sure anyway, but at this is huge. I mean, this is a again like I said before earth-moving acquisition that you know changes a lot of things for all of the month. Your players that mostly Sony obviously but yeah good on Microsoft. I mean, that's great. We'll see what happens. Hopefully my hope is really you know, if this is the way that things are going to go. I hope that you know Microsoft can invest more money into zenimax in general for all of the the studios Thunderella and they can pump out, you know, great great experiences. Hopefully, that's what happens with us. And I would assume that that is what will happen with this. So yeah, I think when you look at console games consoles of largely being lost leaders for companies, they don't make their big money on the console necessarily they make it on the games and so long, it seems counter-intuitive to thin gate that game to half of the Gaming Community, you know, so I think it makes sense and then putting it behind the games Panthers. And maybe motivating somebody to pay thirty-five bucks a month to get your Xbox and all these games and maybe then you're looking at something that you can I convert some people to your brand of crazy acquisition. They're not telling you that their Senate the steam though and you know, the Microsoft store fronts dogshit. I have no idea how mods work over there if it's as easy to get things going so I maybe huh? I hadn't thought about that. It's probably not like this shit's probably not going to see if they're throwing it onto their games fast service, aren't they can push you onto whatever fucking garbage thing that they're using. Yeah for sure. But I mean, I think that. Knows as well as everybody else that uses their service that it's dogshit and I think that you know, internally they have to be thinking about improving that that wage. The user experience with that thing because it is it is like going on the dark web. I feel like to download a game every time I go on that fucking thing. I'm like am I downloading flight simulator? I'm off to buy some fucking heroin here like it is it is just not user-friendly at all. And I hate it. So I think that they are smart enough. They've got a lot of very incompetent capable people there and they have an enormous amount of money. I think that that probably be one of their their areas of improvement for the future and hope that is it is, you know, deep not far down the line. Hopefully that's something that's fixed relatively quickly because when you even look at it, like compared it to the epic game store or even fucking fucking origin store. Both of those services are bad in my opinion or Ubisoft as well. All of those are bad, but they are like light years ahead. Of what Microsoft is offering on PC? So yeah, hopefully that is corrected. It is it's weird how bad it is because I like finding games I know are on Game Pass which is something I pay for and then figuring out how to download them is a fucking chore. It's not just likely it's not just like hey Andrew good to see you. Again. We know you own these games. It's under this easy to find tab download whichever one you want and use it. It's like fucking Sherlock Holmes needs to come in here and figure out what you actually have and if you click the buy button if it's just going to download it or not. It's so weird dude. It's so badly made. Yeah, I mean preface this with we're not talking about the user interface on an Xbox console. Just clear that up. You know, this is this is specifically to the PC side of Game Pass. What is available on the PC going through the Microsoft Edge? Or on PC it's so it seems like they have an invested anytime in it at all. Like when you boot it up and you go to the home screen like instead of showing you like. Hey, you're subscriber. You pay us money every month. Welcome. Here's your library. And here's the new games that are available to you. It'll be like a bunch of like shovelware on the home screen. Like if you want Solitaire for free, how about downhill skiing from the 90s? Do you want to play that and it's like no I came for like years war or sea of Thieves. Whatever it is, you know, I am looking for these experiences that I know I can get but I've got to go through like ten different Windows to find the fucking content that I'm looking for. It's like why why is this the way the this is, you know, have you ever heard of Flappy Bird? Do you want to play that game? No. No. I don't know. I ran into a problem with I told you guys I played xcloud a little dog. Nier automata my phone and I thought in my head I was like cool. I made it through the first thing and then I got my PC the other day to use Game Pass and maybe play a little bit more of a game. And what I found out was Project X Cloud was using my an Xbox free copy of near at Ahmedabad not a PC copy of near retama, which is not free on XL Xbox PC game pass. So if I want to keep playing this save that I have I have to do it on my phone, which is kind of a bummer cuz I was just testing that out and the it does it's a little more than it sounds like the initial playthrough of near it takes a long it takes 30 minutes before you can save the game. But yeah kind of a weird mixture there. I don't know if they'll ever get all those like parody on what's free on Console Game Pass. See game pass but that was a minor inconvenience. I don't know. I just hope they make a better store. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely one hundred percent wrong. Okay, let's let's jump right into it and you're Milton actually all of us every damn one of us. And from what I can tell online is most of the internet is playing Heavies. Tell me about it. What you think. What is this? I mean, I've been enjoying it. I'm playing it cuz you guys played it and I probably have the least amount of time on this game. But I am I'm not like somebody use a hundred percent into the Rogue like style of gameplay. I enjoy it when it's done. Well and by God, this one is done. Well, you know, I hear often times I hear about you and Jared getting into a game together and my brain just naturally tells me it's anime just leave it alone. Don't give it a look. You don't need to do that job. Save yourself the energy. I'm glad I looked at this one cuz every you know, I everything in this game is phenomenal from its art style through to school repeatability. I mean, it just takes all the boxes and so I'm having a blast playing it in the just over two days. I've been playing it so fantastic. The the thing that this Rogue like does as probably better than every Rogue like and then Rogue Legacy did some kind of similar but instead of just having you die it justifies what's happening here, you're going down into the underworld. So every time you die, you pull yourself out of this pool of blood and you're back in the other world when that totally makes sense like the Rogue like part of the game is like Canon if that makes sense and I think it the reason that works is it actually allows them to table? A narrative within a roguelike game which is kind of difficult. Normally if you if you keep dying on games, but in this one you die and and the people down in the Underworld like fuc your father or who is it that I forget the dude from Troy. Anyway Kelly Chili's? Yeah Achilles. They're just like oh man down to the serpent or whatever and it's like shit and it's kind of this ongoing conversation. It's I I think it's fantastic and the and the dialogue in this game is so good. Yeah top-notch. I think a supergiant took all of what they have learned from their previous work which for the most part have been like fairly linear story-driven experiences and a long flight it to great effect in this this kind of genre of of a roguelike. So they fire on all cylinders in that area in this game off. Single time you go down in a run and you pop back up in the kind of Hub world that you you know start out in there is always characters that are equipped with you, you know different tips and banter and it just comes off as just there's nothing like it more bosses that you just fought off just like, oh you got me that time. Yeah, exactly. Like there's there's no comparison to any other game in this genre. They have done it better than than anybody else in relation to like this story-driven makes complete sense dying and then restarting over and over again and on top of that the fucking voice acting in this game. I don't know who I'm I haven't looked at the the cast but every single person every single character is voiced by their voices. Just seem to match their their phone number. Static in my opinion so have nothing but good things to say about that aspect to this game. Yeah. I mean, it's all it's what supergiant games. I'm not very familiar with them smaller Studio, but this is you know, unlike something like it did cells which I felt didn't have this story aspect to it, or at least this this length of story engagement, but I I finished my run I come back in and I interact with everyone because not only is the dialogue great and something worth investing in but you can get benefits right from you talk to somebody enough they give you an item or you know some persistent benefits as well as this big cake Co dicks that you have to fill out over time. So checking all the boxes is there as well. So you talk to people you can give them gifts and there's this whole interaction that makes you go down this Arc of stone. No, Which is all about sort of Greek mythology, right? And and that that's super interesting on its own. So I really do appreciate the fact that I'm not just doing the old school rogue, like repetitive died start again, and I sort of gained I start again but there's little bits of things that make it just a little bit more engaging for sure. Yeah. He's you know, all of your interactions that you have with the characters in The Little Hub World between runs like mid said they can benefit you greatly if you get these little girl, I can't remember the name what it is off the top of my head, but you get these flasks of liquid that you can give two characters that you interact with and they give you a Boone's that off persistent for your runs and you can equip them prior to a run and then when you get a certain unlockable tree opened up you can change them. It'd run as well and Thursday. There's just a lot of depth are in regards to kind of you know, interacting with these characters. They give you you know, more insight into the story the overall story wage, but then also benefit your your gameplay as well. So I really really appreciate that about this game. It seems like the I felt the difficulty is well-balanced when I am picked it up. I think my first run I got to that magnetic first boss and she kicked my ass like just wrecked me and I was like goddamn but I could probably buy my third run I was able to kill her and then I feel like it's been the same thing for almost every boss like I get to the next stage boss. They just obliterate me and I'll figure it out and I I haven't beat it yet. I'm I've gotten to the final boss a few times and he's he's motherfuker like he's a complete motherfuker. I don't know what to do against him. But yeah, it's really tough. I I just recently finished my first Escape out of hazy Hades last night. And yeah, you definitely have to shovel your character up quite a bit to get to a point where you at least for me. I felt comfortable taking on Haiti's at the end of the game. He he does a lot of tricky shit and he does a lot of massive attacks that do massive damage. So yeah, there's a lot of trial-and-error just like a lot of different roguelikes. I I do appreciate the the the difficulty scaling. I think that they do a really good job and then the further you get into it the more variations of bosses that you'll run into which is which is interesting as well. So it's not need I thought that was awesome like basically it add contacts to it. You keep finding the same boss in the first area and then after a set number of times you walk in there, there's a dog New boss in there right? Well, wait what cuz they know I guess that you've progressed enough. So then they throw some other stuff at you. That's awesome keeps it fresh. Is it? Yeah. Do you know if it's related to when you give me a gift? I don't think that it is I think I mean I could be wrong on this but I think it's based on progression like how far you've gotten in a run on aggregate. So like I know they probably looking behind the scenes at how far you you tend to get and then from there that's when they start introducing things. That's at least the way it seemed to me when I got to that point. Yeah, cuz I think I don't know if you guys are the same. I'm not a garbage human. So my very first gift went to Cerberus the get a dog. Do you pet the dog every every fucking time? So I took in hit the dog talk to it get condensating leash It On by Hades for me dying achievement for petting the dog like a dozen times or something wage. There's got to be there's got to be a you pet the dog every time achievement but I don't know I you know, I was expecting to pick this game up and just took my tow in package, but it definitely has just one more run bug that I think a good roguelikes Gotta Have where you get just enough things done you progress enough you feel a little bit more in tune with what skills you want to pick and you saw to predict what you're hoping for you pick the right doors. You pick the right Greek god that you know the symbol signifies. So you're either giving us for some chain lightning attack or you getting you know, a different Greek god for a different style of attack, but there's just between that the boons that you find the poem nature of the map that you go through it's just old done. So well with good score and good odds style that it's just a game that is very hard to put down. It's so easy and you know, suddenly you lose an hour or you think you're just like one more room and then you're just like, holy shit. I literally play this game right up until right before we recorded and I I lost the fog in Hades again. I did give him through his first phase which was which was exciting but Ms. We were talking earlier about it. And I thought you brought up a good point cuz I mentioned that there's no tutorial like no tutorial the game starts and you are just like fighting and it doesn't tell you like you go through doors and like you're picking between doors and you're like, well, I don't either one of these mean and never tells you it but what I brought that up with you you were kind of like, well, I kind of like it because it's like what did you say like in roguelikes? You have to keep doing things anyway, so you're just learning yourself instead of having the game Hold Your Hand. Yeah. Well, I think it's just the nature of the beast in terms of you being like the games intent, you know, nobody's going to pick this up. And just win it right. Nobody's going to have a perfect run run through the tutorials going to assist them in achieving this this goal. I appreciate the offer. There's enough story and as a rogue like you can you find your way into the run you have your weapon, you know, there's only four different sort of combat Strokes initially and these little scrolls are very intuitive. So it just lets you go for it. And then the story starts when you die cuz you inevitably have to die. So instead of like doing this is giant upfront story log and making you, you know, hit extra hit and use Wi-Fi PowerShot and and just a tutorial that would prevent you from getting into the fund wage. I think that this is a great game that doesn't have a tutorial whereas like talk of bad game. That doesn't have a tutorial right like gave me the fucking tutorial that doesn't have sure. I I you know, I think it's a good choice. It's probably a bold choice, but I think it fits well with the genre and there's no part of this game that I didn't need. I'd figured out until you told me I could buy more access to skills in the mirror. So yeah, they're they're they definitely want you to explore the world and Faithfully the world is good enough that it's definitely worth exploring and you don't feel like it's kind of tacked on. I feel like the most of the mechanics in this game are fairly intuitive. It's not like the most complicated game in the farm world so you can figure it out if you're just, you know, kind of tinkering around. So yeah, I don't know where I fall on that. I think that maybe some of the the off the stuff at least some of the stuff early on like the mirror and stuff like that. I feel like they at least allude to it in some of the story, but I could be wrong on that if you talk to someone I think ye The Knicks and she explains that the mirror functions essentially as your upgrade table. But yeah, it's definitely a more subtle than a lot of modern games are And in regards to like kind of telling you what to do or how to do it. I really I think this is I mean we talk about real likes all the time. This song is a special one. I I really think it is something about the combat the the Adept you have all the different Boons. It just works real quick with Jerry. What's the best weapon the best weapon for me? My personal favorite? Yeah. I kind of I kind of go back and forth between the spear and the shield. I really like the shield a lot but it's really a a really was requiring you to just pick one though. Okay, you can't do two. There's I guess I guess I have the most success with the spear which seems weird General consensus off. Line most people seem to think that that's the easiest weapon to progress far in this game with meds. What's the best weapon awkward the bow? I love the bow bow. I'm also want Tebow the bow is my least favorite what the bow and the guns I think suck. I know just like some disconnect that I have with it where specifically the the bow the gun. I don't like that much because they have to reload it all the time. But the bow just sucks in my opinion. I mean, maybe I'll go and try it now that you guys I'm shocked that all of you really like to go. So maybe I'll go go Power Shot. I like the the the special and you go two ways with the special at least that I've have found a lot of luck. You can go through Demeter's chain and you get a lot of ice and law chill so you can just freeze everything or you can go as it curse, and I think you get off. So you hit them and they do they get just more damage after a couple seconds and you just do circles around everybody and they're all just status effects and you're hitting everybody because you using the special mm shop. I I've had quite a bit of luck with that and you know, simple majority Bowl wins Bo is the best weapon so, okay. All right, that's wrong section of the topic. I won't die on this. I I'll accept your I mean I did read online that the spears the best for bat and mushing wage smashing skilled is players, but the bow is for people who make finesse and desire to like play this game like it's a cello, you know, like as a my story, but if you just want to smack button down at the sphere, you know, yeah, I mean this might go into one of the criticisms that I have of the game, you know, very few criticisms that I do have a VM, but one of the criticisms that I had I don't want to say that I use the spirit every single time but I I have used this for your quite a few times or the shield. Like I said, I don't find the specials on most of the weapons particularly useful nor do I find the casting useful at all. So I think from that perspective when you're looking for Kit like I don't use the full kit and I am, you know, fairly successful and I just don't use those things and I think that they I don't know. I mean it off sounds like you use the bow special a lot so well see so I I agree with you on like some of what you say. So like the charge up with the spear is not great. I always thought it just took too long. Maybe there's a bill that you could make that work cuz isn't it like a spinning attack or something? Is that yeah. No, no, no the spirits wrong. Sorry you throw it and it comes back to you. Yeah, but there is a charge as well charging. Minutes to swing it around your head what I think you should try because I was exactly like what you just said. How was the point of cast this is this does not do anything and then I got Demeter's Jane and I just like went all in on it and just kept it like if her little feather was ever on the door, I did it and she throws up those those little beams to just shoot off and you can do a lot of work with that because you can get those to chill and then you get your special that shield and then you get an ability that if you apply off like ten instances of chill it just explodes. So you just circle the battlefield throwing up these little turrets essentially throwing your special everything's chilled off and it works really well and then you layer I never use the charge on the bow never and then you layer on like a dash attack or like a dashboard ticks thing and it's just a job. Hertz and vortexes on the entire map and I'm hardly my damaged dealing is not the bow unless I just like get lucky and get real close and it's it works really. Well. I I think I'm going to be able to get Haiti's with it. That's one of the strengths. It's very interesting that like each deity that you run into like you the more you play this game. You kind of realize like which character has, you know benefits for whatever weapon you're using. So you'll kind of shy away from certain deities and go for other ones depending on weapon you have so I really like that aspect of it where each weapon, you know, a deity is going to affect each weapon differently and some are going to be better than others. I really appreciate that, and it's cool for bills. I don't know. I haven't given a lot of gifts to the gods. I gave one to Demeter and she gave me shit. What what's the name of that thing The Relic or whatever, but yep. Hers does is a guarantees that that first bun out the door when I start my run is from her. So it kind of if I want to do a build with her. That's what I start with and I wonder if like Zeus and and Hermes are all the same and similar to that. I don't I don't I have unlocked all of them or unlocked. A lot of them. I shouldn't say all of them. I I gift pretty much everybody something just see only they will tell you this explicitly like if you listen to the dialogue from characters, I can't remember what character tells you this but only give a gift to a character reference because if you give multiple it doesn't do anything just FYI you and you have to remember that. Yeah. Yeah, which sucks its memory. Yeah. I know even the dog too cuz they have wage they have multiple Hearts did it looks like you can achieve and I thought maybe I'd get something but I learned my lesson quite quickly that he didn't give me the second time around and Grateful Dead. Yeah, this is over here. Just dumping gifts into server Yeah. Well, yeah, one of the characters in the dialogue tells you is like remember I see you giving gifts. But remember only give one gift. You don't get anything back after you know your first gift. But anyways, yeah, I haven't looked at the abilities for a lot of them. I the way that I beat the game. The first time was using servers as caller because it increases your health and I read online from a lot of people that you need a lot of Health to be hate. He's so I just sort of like prioritized Health game. So I had really high Health count and then I got some really lucky RNG and just was doing ridiculous damage to be able to take him out last night. But yeah, I don't know I can't tell you if the the other gods do the exact same thing where it's like you'll start the they're the round with one of my abilities, but it's pretty it's pretty cool. The way that that's handled should we talk about end game but it's like Korean game. Let's talk about yes, let's do n game and then I can talk about how it basically this game My Controller. Okay. Is there an end game? Is it worth it? Are you does it make you all keep playing? Yeah for sure. There is an end game one hundred percent to not go into spoilers down. There are reasons why you are forced back into Hades and you are essentially doing the same thing over again. Once you beat Haiti's the the only thing that changes is when you are there's like a room War Room essentially where you pick your weapon your your Boons that you want to bring with you and then you go through a door at the front of the door. It will now be a list and before you actually go into this this run it will give you mounties is what they're called and basically how it works is there's a list of dead. Things modifiers essentially to kind of tweak the the game itself and they do a myriad of different things than there are shitload of modifiers that you can change and you there are varying levels of these modifiers and they all add to this this gauge called the heat gauge and basically how it works is you can increase the difficulty in a bunch of different areas. And then if you succeed in that run with those modifiers installed you get predetermination items from that run. So essentially items for runs or like items for like buying stuff like, you know, you get items for like for instance, like there's a ton of different options and flexibility here. So like for instance, you can go in and increase the health of all enemies by x amount and you can go up a very high amount. So all the enemy off Ridiculously high amount of Health but if you're successful in that run, then you will get like x amount of Titans blood which is the currency that you use to upgrade your weapons, right? So no, that's what I was asking like, so is it are the rewards stuff for currency type things or the rewards like Boon type things for? Oh, yes this runs going to be better. So no it's different. Yeah, it's currently at the stuff like, okay, so it's interesting in that way because it's like it really allows you to min-max things. Right? It's like, okay. Well, I, you know trying to shovel up the sphere to a certain level. So I need more Titans blood. How am I going to get Titans blood this basically gets rid of r n g at the end and you can just say well I'm going to modify this aspect of my run and if I'm successful then I get x amount of Titans blind and then put helps cuz best point you have things that you're trying to work towards so you might not care about Darkness any birth. Exactly need to get that's the that is compelling this it is really interesting. And then it's like it's like I don't know. I think the thing is more story as well. Just based on the end of the game and how it kind of ends. I think there's probably more to see than what happens. Just that the month the end of your first run when you escaped Hades, so kind of cool. That's that's pretty awesome. So I have that. What's that called The Switch pad Pro is that that huge ass controller or mouse pad Pro? Yeah. Yeah. So this game has my my dash button is sticking a lot because of this game cuz they, you know pushing it may be too frequently, but it's becoming a problem like a don't know if I should buy a new one or I already don't want to do but it just it's not good like you get new birth. So yeah, you should buy a new. Okay, it's affecting the game. I'm going to blame Annie and I'm going to be like your fucking star. Do you broke this so I have to buy a new one because the the farm too hard. Yeah props too hard. I was surprised I haven't had like a button on a controller do this and a long time but it just sticks and it makes this awkward noise and oh man, it's it's not good from the fuk is want to find you place. This Gibbs good. Is there anything else we need a cover on this thing know if I'm going to be honest about this game is I was contemplating if it would be possible for me to play it took a while we recorded is there's any insight and I decided in my better judgment to not do that, but I want to write I I mean, we've got a we've got some anime games coming after the brakes. So you might be out of squeeze it in. Yeah, go ahead and play during that time it well computer. So we'll yeah, I don't know what you guys just want to listen to me. Oh, yeah use my bow finesse through Hades. Well, well you talk anime stuff off, but I was going to get cornered by elitist Bo users a segment as well. Just throw that out there. We get it. You can throw a spear and it can come back to you and it's all well and good. So I'm I'm totally fine. Andrew tell me about rust what what have I missed other than just completely grinding aggressive rest of wipes. There's a recent update which is named the elevator update because they've added an elevator as a Deployable object which yep And now wire into your Basin, I believe you can travel six floors using this stackable elevator. So something we never had floors though. Like this is a weird concept because when we played we were we were building the Rambler. Well, I mean the weird concept is you guys joined rest on a whiteday played for hours and never picked it up again so off. Yes, we share a single floor base. I don't know if I'll ever use an elevator. I'm sure somebody the cool thing about rust and about Builders and rust as they find they take new Deployable objects and they find ways to make it more difficult to get into your some interested to see how that works. What else is cuz you could have an elevator go up with no entrance except the elevator, right? Yeah, you can you can essentially if I'm in my own head picturing how you make your base stronger so is dead. You know have an elevator on the outside that takes you all the way to the top which is miles from your leutrim and then have an elevated in the center of your base. It drops you down into a Lutron that makes it more difficult to find a job. But I'm sure we'll see some interesting ways that this is being used and then some even more interesting ways. It's being exploited cuz that's how things work in rest, but one thing I have noticed that I don't I think it's maybe a little bit lame about it is you can't put like a turret on the elevator cuz this is very cool thing about rust with its electrical systems nowadays is just tap I don't use it, but you can have it on your phone. And if you have the correct items in game your phone can literally notify you when somebody's trying to raise your base, you know, like you have senses and things like that. So it would be pretty cool. If from your phone you could like drop your elevators and it could lower turrets into position to shoot people, but it's called the elevator up dog. That is the main feature of this but there's some pretty cool secondary features or which I think are actually more influential over the game than the elevator itself. They've added what they call desired files that is sort of secondary dirt roads. And basically they had these issues with a road Network where rust is procedurally generated and you have a series of monuments and some monuments made sense to have big roads lead to and other monuments didn't write there's a monument that satellite dishes and why would you have this like two lane road running up and Roads and rest or also tied to sort of what barrels and loot things spawn and all sorts of stuff like that. So what they handled with this update is two things they added these small little roads and then they fix the larger Road Network which you know, because it's procedural it's all algorithmically driven and the algorithm says you have to connect all of these month. Mince pie roads and an algorithm by definition will choose the shortest route. So you get kind of funky Road networks that were all sort of shortest path between wage payments. We're now they basically pushed it out. So these roads use some Force vectors around different biomes to give you more natural part roads, which are longer and more Meandering and and don't sort of cut of a high mountains and stuff like that. So that's pretty interesting in that date. But other than that, there was a 9.99 spacesuit that you can reskin your hazmat suit to which I obviously bought as an investment. But also, yeah, I don't know if the memory which is an investment I doubt it, but the space suit will be I also bought the summer if I can skin thing just so I can run around in a bikini and troll people dead. And use a bodyboard and make water pistols and stuff. But that's beside the point other than that rust is still rest still having a blast playing it. Do you know what like, I don't know if I guess they're open about this. I'm just wondering about like what kind of what kind of success there finding like how their user base is like I I guess I was sitting here listening talk about it. And it seems like they're doing what they need to be doing for a game like this and in five years. What do we think in five years is mids going to be like with the new rust update is insane. Like we have I have my own bungee cord Park that I set up like like or is it gone? What do you think? So a couple of bits inside rest over the last 30 days has had a peek player base of about seventy thousand people. I believe its peak play a game. Is about a hundred and twenty five thousand, which is still this year. They year-over-year. I actually growing in Play account. I believe rest is set up to release on the new consoles interesting. So rest will be playable. Supposedly. This has been the statement from facepunch is you will be able to play rest on Playstation Xbox and I can only imagine that the player base will explode because to me this is such an incredible game you can spend $30 and get unlimited amount of hours out of it off but it really lends itself to be something quite unique in terms of a multiplayer game, especially on Console seems like they need to get on their quick because you're going to have a little bit of a drought like we've talked about quite a bit if they could actually hit those consoles in the next six months, that could be a huge benefit. Oh, yeah, so it's it's been so long. Constant like it's coming kind of statement. So I don't know when they intend to release it. But that's the sort of that's the sort of goal is to release it on Console. So I don't see rust going anywhere. I mean, I think this is one of the best supported games out there in terms of how many Dev commits there are I think the game consoles Concepts just and sort of on its own as its own little genre which I really love and enjoy but just you know, I I'm yet to find issues with the size of player base wage short adding it to console will only reaffirm that and then if I can sell my Red Skins to console players now, we're in the money Nick, we're buying that we're buying that $39 off of Myspace page skin. It's just I would I would love to see that happen. That way it would be completely incredible. Okay fascinating that games that getting it is dead. Be interesting and it seems like they're doing what they need to be doing for, you know. Yeah what people want their playing that game we all own it. And when you guys want to actually try play money more than just a couple of hours. I'm all ears. I think as soon as my daughter is eighteen and moves out. I think I'm ready. I figured that was I'm saying so my goal is to get you into it. That's that's probably a good a good idea. Well weird a quick break and then come back. Okay. We're back. Mid you a talk about anime. My entire life has been reading them to the point that I can just pop out of the enemy closet and say that I am poorly drawn people. It's whoa. Yeah. Well, yeah, those are fighting. I I wanted I picked my word spotty. I wanted to fight with all the anime Fox. I don't enjoy the art style. No sure that's I will at least say that's fair Jared. Yeah last episode at the end. You were like, hey, this game is coming out. It's called thirteen Sentinels and I was like, oh just after the recording I was doing a little bit of research on it and I actually found a really funny quotes from your guitar. Oh who makes one of my favorite games ever nier automata, but he has a quote and he does a lot of work with Atlas And as well just for context but dead. His quote is everyone needs to buy vanilla where games and they need to buy 13 Sentinels every single purchase helps and we need to do anything. We can to preserve vanilla where I don't care if Alice goes that business but it makes we just have to preserve and aware and that dude's very funny. Yeah. Yeah for sure but wage anyway, long story short. I I bought the game PlayStation 4. I've been playing it. I you've been playing it. Hm. Yep. Who wants to go first? You want to you want to try to get an outline on how this fucking Falcon beasts Works. Sure. Yeah. I think the first thing that I would like to highlight is just how kind of a niche the studio is and how kind of unique it is, but I have been a huge fan of this the studio for a while now, they've made quite a few pretty cool games, but they all kind of fall into the same archetype in my opinion Odin sphere Mirage. Sir, and Dragon's Crown, they're all hand-drawn beautifully rendered unless you're mids just incredible looking games that are fucking like nothing else in video games in my opinion. They really really take their time with all of all of this stuff be hand drawn and up to this point. Most of their work is just been like I said, like side scrolling beat-em-ups and very good ones at that with like some light RPG elements thrown in for good measure with this thing. This is like a drastic a change as you could possibly fucking imagine and now we're looking at a strategy visual novel hybrid home with this thing. And yeah for for someone like myself who is a fan of their previous work. This is about as different as it possibly could be and dead. At first I didn't know how I feel about that. But the more I've got into it the more I think I'm appreciating it as far as like how it functions. It's very strange. It's a very strong concept and and really weird to kind of wrap your mind around but there's a lot to unpack. Yeah, this thing works essentially like the the two different modes in this game 1,000 is called remembrance and the other one is called destruction and basically in remembrance you play as one of Thirteen characters, I believe them all with different Back stories different motivations, but they're all tied into one another in one way or another some directly some in directly and you're essentially playing these small vignettes as what I would call them sure piecing together this broader wage. Tori so that's basically the way to describe that and the way that you do that is just move your character around essentially and there there's some some different gameplay elements there and took a lot of story that's it's a lot that's usual novel. I want to talk about that a little further deeper, but let's move on to the other just yes mode so then there's destruction which is essentially a strategy game where you're controlling these giant fucking Max Japanese Max and fighting this off this Kaiju Invasion, but these these guys who are not like biological creatures as far as I understand at this point, they're machines. So it's kind of an interesting way that it functions but more or less you are, you know, picking a team of these these these characters that pilot these giant mix you take them into battle. They all kind of have their their strengths and weaknesses and then on top of that the the enemies have strengths and weaknesses that you kind of have to mix and match. It's it's an interesting way to handle this side of the game. And that's basically the way that I would describe it. I don't know you played it a lot more than me. They clearly don't have the budget to do what I thought. I probably put words in your mouth that both of us would like them to do visually it's very basic. So you don't you are not seeing the Fantastic neck bite that you would like to see in the strategy game and it looks pretty bad from up above its kind of pixelated look like Space Invaders. Yeah, like the the back in the eighties. That's what it looks like. So that is a is wasn't immediate turn off. But then as I dove into a little further there is a little bit of depth there. There is I it is fun. I haven't really dead. Had too much challenge yet, but every every little match has been a lot of fun and there's a lot of upgrade paths that I've been going down and there's a little bit of a some min-maxing. You can't use one like one character for too many flights cuz they burn out so you have to like swap them in and out. That's all good. I liked that quite a bit. I want to like reiterate before we jump into like the other the whole thing of this game is what I read about the story of this game online. I'm just like that's that's that's not grab me. It's not going to be it like, uh Sentinels like huge Max invading a planet and telling me like it's a story-based. I'm just like that's how I have a hard time believing it to be very good. I'm completely hooked on this and it took me in a way that I did not expect at all. I am Like I said, I think it was like thirteen. I think it was actually even more than 13 characters. I think it was fifteen, but I could be wrong but this game isn't just picking characters in playing thrash story. There's a lot of time travel in this game from like nineteen forty-five nineteen eighty-five 2165 and it's very vague as it often feels what's going on. It doesn't give you story beats in chronological order. It shows you a character in the middle of their story and you're like what the fuck like how did this character get to this point? And then as it reveals the story it's almost like a master class of how they're revealing the layers of of what's going on here cuz it feels right how long they are breaking it up and telling you the story in the wrong order cuz then as you bounce back with a character and see what their motivations are, you're like, oh my God like dog It is so complex. I've been blown away with just the number of characters the depth to the story. And when I really wanted to drive home is I don't know of a game that has this many characters that I am engaged in all of their stories every single character that I have played. I have found their story interesting aging and their motivations like realistic and like this is really cool. And I can't point to another game that has over ten main characters that you make a connection with its I I love this so much. I've been playing it non-stop. Yeah, obviously there is a lot of vagueness in the way that this is structured and you just kind of high life that so I can't speak as much on specific characters as you can because I've only explored a couple of their their story paths, but what I have experienced is very month. A compelling and very interesting and it makes it basically breaks it up. You'll go through like I don't know it varies from character to character and some characters have branching paths. You kind of have to you know, figure out what you need to do to see different paths in their story and then other characters are just very linear One More Story beat to the next and every single time you play one of those it probably takes so I don't know ten fifteen minutes. Yeah, and then and then you get this point where it will tell you to be continued and walk sometimes the game Gates you you have to it'll tell you you have to do certain things before you can see more of this character story, but I am constantly each time. I I do one of those little wage, you know segments of a character story. I'm like, okay. Well, I'm really interested in this. I want to know more about what's going on with this character. And so from that that respect they've really knocked it out of the park. Just making you you know, really really invested in each individual character story for sure. You mentioned the branching story paths where like you'll start a story with a character and then it'll be like, maybe they can remember a flashback or they can go do one thing or another thing and off then you're all right. I got to go Replay that story and do that other path. I don't believe you have played 999 or virtue's last reward. No, I haven't played those games those games. So this draws on that pretty strongly because those games do a similar thing where they grew create this huge essentially a skill tree, but it's essentially a tree off of story dialogue options where you make choices and then you go back and you're like, okay now I got to do this and it's all in the service of revealing the story part of the reason dead. I just works so well with 13 Sentinels is that there's this sensors already this time element in it. It's kind of just throwing everything out the window as far as how your experience is experiencing these things. It doesn't feel as odd to go and replay this stuff cuz you know that the characters are essentially like scouring these timelines took try to figure out how to defeat public. Well, whatever the fucking end game of this game is I only know. Yeah, I'm about halfway through it. It's very interesting and it's usually when a game is this complex and it's story. It has some major plot holes and at least so far for me. It just seems like everything is very tightly done. Yeah, there's definitely a whole lot of inspiration that I I kind of feel through this whole process with this game. It seems like the team vanilla. We're really pulled a log. From the Terminator Terminator series for sure though the Terminator ET War world's it pulls from like all of Pop Culture sci-fi stuff. We just it's kind of like tongue-in-cheek. It's pretty funny. It is really funny. Some of the characters are like, you know itself admit to being like fans of these kind of campy 80s, you know, sci-fi films and stuff like that. So there there is a lot of you know, tongue-in-cheek references to different things and I think I think it just comes off as as you know from and new especially in context to you know, people familiar with vanilla, where's previous work like they have never done anything like this young people that have finished this game that I played previous vanillaware games are pretty much unanimously saying that this is the best thing that vanilla where is ever done. Yeah, from what I played all dead. Want to do is see more of it. I'm sure we're going to round back and talk about it more because I I feel like I just want to finish the game before I really give a faith opinion on it. But what I played so far, I'm really fucking and do it. I'll just say like from what I've played so far this game is it's not not in my mind as far as some of the best experiences of experiences. I've had this year playing a game and I think maybe part of it is it's very fresh. Like you said like I haven't I don't play a lot of visual novels that played very long. It's just a it's a very clean new experience for me right now. So maybe it just hit at the right moment, but I have been just super into it. It's fascinating. I think they've done a pretty great thing here. We will I'll keep playing hopefully by the next podcast. I I bet I'm done because I think it's about 30 hours total. You can't understate how gorgeous this game is. I just wage. Drive home that I mean every it's not just this game. But every game the vanilla whereas made is absolutely gorgeous to look at. I mean the amount I can't imagine the amount of time bounce this game a long time ago and it and it and it probably was in development. Well before they announced it officially the amount of you know, man hours that it would take to do all of that and draw all this out is just crazy to think about it is visually striking and for a studio that only has twenty nine employees or Thirty employees. It's it's pretty crazy that that's all these kinds of things off. Yeah. It's very impressive is all hand-drawn are right. Yep. It's all hand drawn like the the character models all of the backgrounds everything. Mhm. Yeah. It's impressive Beast. Let's we will Circle back what's going on over there? What are you up to over there? Not not a whole hell of a lot table. I've been super busy with work, but Spelunky 2 came out on PC. It's been out on PlayStation for a while. Now. Did you did you get on PC? Yeah, okay. I didn't realize it was already out on PCS. I was waiting for I didn't want to play on PS4. Yeah came out on this week last this Tuesday. So anybody that doesn't know what life is like, I mean, it's pretty it's very old school in like relation to the whole Rogue like genre. It's hard to even call it wrong because I guess it is and it isn't but anyways, it's a it's a fucking super popular series that blew up a number of years ago, and there's a sequel and the game is exactly like the first one and that's but but improved inserted you get into the first one. Yeah a little bit dead. I think that I didn't play it as much as a lot of people did there are some people that just play this like Ad nauseam that just don't stop just over and over and over again. I miss you know anything about this game. Not really if I'm picturing it the original it's what 16 bit done. Yeah polar. Yeah pretty much a kind of vaguely remember it and that's me coming out of my 20-minute blackout that I I think you guys are talking about like thirteen school girls or something else. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know enough about this game here. Here's my side. I have not played to be lucky to what I I played speed law the first one. I remember I played it on probably the Xbox 360 or was it still PS4 doesn't matter, but I was playing through it and like slowly moved. Through this level and it's got a time-based like you want to go real quick through things and I was not very good and I remember Annie laughing at some of the dumb shit and I was like, oh, this is cool level whip. I'm like slowly working my way through and then the next day I went to work and then I was like looking up videos about it. And then I realized that I was not playing the game. Everyone else was because when you watch people took place belong you play the game, you're just like, oh, okay. They're like flying through it. They have like secret portals everywhere. It's it's a whole fucking thing and I think it takes a lot of commitment to play it out. A lot of people like the high level at least it does. It does like the the the thing that's interesting and compelling about the game in my opinion is all of the mechanics that are present like out of the box that you don't really need to like mess around with too much like the jumping-off. The platforming everything like that. It's Pitch Perfect. It works perfectly and it's very tight controls are very tight. And so it gives you a a good foundation to build off of and become more and more skilled. When you first start playing these games, you will suck so bad. You'll be so fucking bad. There are some runs will you'll go probably 30 seconds before you die. And then you you know, you start over from the beginning there is no checkpoints in this game. It's a one one run and then if you die, then you start over from the beginning. So from that perspective that can be frustrating to certain people and you're absolutely right it definitely requires off at I'm investment to become skilled at this game. And then also learn like the nuances that that come into play with this game cuz there is a lot of things modifiers and things like that that you kind of have to dig Inn. Find they're not like just immediately evident. But if you have the patience or you're the type of person that enjoys this kind of experience. This is fucking fantastic game. It's absolutely fantastic. I played a decent amount of the first one and this the second one, you know feels just like the first one with some some welcome improvements that seems like to some some areas of the game, but overall man, I'm pretty impressed with it. I'm going to play a little bit more of it, but I haven't played too much. I played like an hour of it up to this point. But if you like the first one probably should by this because it's pretty good. Yeah. I I think this is falls into the category of like I super appreciate it and just don't possibly have the time doing gauge with it in the way that I would want to right. Yeah. Yeah, just it takes a lot. You got to really commit off. Do it in my mind if you want to get into it and I don't see that happening. That's not to say that you can't have fun in short bursts with this game. You definitely can. I mean if you were if you were strong enough to make it like deep into a run. It's obviously going to take some time. Although I did see a speed run of Spelunky 2 3 minutes. Yeah, and it was like, yeah, it was under 3 minutes. It was like two and some some change. So to finish it, it's crazy. They're playing a game that you're not playing like it but but yeah, then you'll then you go and try and play it and he died in the the second stage, you know within I don't know a few seconds of the second stage. And your your total runtime is maybe like 2 minutes and you're like that feels bad just the design of the scheme like the environments. It's all procedurally generated each time. You go into a new new dungeon essentially home. Purposes and they really make it evident that they are trying to throw as many horrible things that you as possible like, sometimes you'll you encounter things in this game where you're like, this is insurmountable. I can't fucking do anything here. But the crazy thing is they're usually always is something that you can do to to kind of, you know, get over whatever obstacles in your path. But yeah, they they fuk with you a great deal in the first area of this game and in the I I believe in the first game as well. There are these like Arrow like these like Stone squares that shoot arrows out and they blend in with the environment and you so you have to constantly like pay attention to where you're stepping because if you drop down a ledge an error will immediately fire out and then that stuns you for a period of time where you have no choice. Disability while you're stunting so if there is an enemy around they'll just immediately kill you. So there's a lot of a lot of just like trial and error with this game that took people probably don't have the time or the patience to deal with but if you're the type of person that's crazy. This is fucking great. Great game. I will add on to that the developer seems tastic. It's made by Derek you yeah, Patrick klepek was extremely into the first game. He screamed quite a bit. So he was very excited about this one and in the past week. He got hooked on Hades basically and he wrote a whole article about how he felt bad because Hades had pulled him away from his be lucky to and Derek you basically reach out to him on Twitter like very publicly just said don't feel bad play play the games that you want to speed lucky is a it's an old pile of moss here and it will be here when you want to come back and play it do not worry. Yeah, it seems like just a just a good dude. So for sure. Yeah, he he definitely has kind of a cult personality within you know fans fans of Spelunky kind of loved him and he seems like a great guy. I actually speaking of klepek. He was actually the one that got me into the original Spelunky. Just watching him. Yeah just watching him play that game. I watched a video that he and Austin Walker did of Spelunky to recently and it was pretty fucking hilarious. So if you guys are a fan of either of those those people you should maybe check it out because I was laughing quite a bit with their play through there pretty funny together. Oh, what else is happening? I'm sure next episode will be talking about some Star Wars squadrons that has the the the the reviews are not bad. So that's exciting. I download today on Origin. So I I was laughing the one review I read the do dog. NVR and was talking about how how much he loved turning around and seeing artoo-detoo behind him and I'm like, that's me. I also love that in these types of games. I'm not playing NPR I will be on PC is what is anything else? Is there? What do you guys got do you throw anything else out there? Are we done? I think as far as new releases or new game coming out. I don't think there's really much that. I'm looking forward to in the near future. So just focus on on plugging away on some stuff. Yeah. I think we just got a nip this in the bud so I can go play Hades. All right. I'm going to wrap it up. Thanks for listening. If you are enjoying the show, please go to iTunes great reviews subscribe to all your friends do all that stuff. If you interact with show if you want to come and take us about Haiti strategies, if you like the bow, you are completely welcome to join the Discord. You need to go over to Twitter in our bio or handle is salsa to games but wage Bio we will have a link and you can come in and talk to us if you want follow us individually. I am lost in the Bob on Twitter mid scheme, it's Jarrett. Jarrett hates you that's gone do it. I swear to God any time you guys have a game that I have never heard of and I Google it and click images. It's the same anime game.

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Episode 314: Summer 2020 Sold Report update for Toronto/GTA/Ontario region

Toronto Real Estate Unfiltered

11:52 min | 3 months ago

Episode 314: Summer 2020 Sold Report update for Toronto/GTA/Ontario region

"Hi I'm stubbins I missed. Celebrity assistance certified lifestyle, manager and time management expert. You can find me at take it easy, conscientious dot, com and thanks for listening to the Rockstar real estate real estate podcast show dot com. Good Morning, Toronto Real. Estate unfiltered is the series. Real estate podcast show DOT com. Is The media network you're listening to? Welcome you all to this latest updates which is going to go through a pretty. Thorough. Review of a recent study that just came out from. Casa and they did a year to year. Review on how prices change from June twenty, nine, thousand, nine to June twenty twenty. And of course whenever. You're look in the rear view. Mirror obviously things. Are you know pretty clear but especially this year just to see how things have. Changed over the last six months considering everything we've been through. It's kind of a good time to do this. walk through, and of course every single one of the areas mentioned here and I'm going to go over all of them. There are twenty eight areas that are disgust within the Ontario within the Ontario Market, so Toronto GTA and then the outside areas, and it's important that every single one of you listening that either lives in these areas or know someone who lives in these areas make sure. This all. This conversation all comes back to discussing with me I. And here's the reason why. If. You don't have the absolute. Most powerful best storyteller. At your disposal win, you're trying to maximize your soul price. You're leaving it up to chance. And you don't want to be one of those people. That simply leaves out. A huge elements in the marketing equation. meaning that you could be featured whether you live in Toronto whether you live in Hamilton whether you live in Ottawa Berry Al-Shawa Sudbury. Any other places. Throughout the province. An, across the across Canada. You can be featured as my featured listing. Even if You're selling property that's. Out of the Toronto GTE area. Simply because of the collaboration and the network that I've got in place, I have someone ready. And Willing, and I've actually had people clients of my moved auto through this network. And you'll be hearing. You've already heard from one of the agents in this network. You'll also be hearing from another one this week, so you'll be understanding that. These are real people that I work with. That understands, collaboration, And they get that having your Hamilton property being marketed in Toronto to the most amount of people that I can possibly reach via my network. Having your Niagra home marketed. Via, my website, and of course via the local agent who knows what they're doing, but also on my website gives it a humongous advantage and the best part about all of us. It. It does not cost you one extra penny. This is all part of the program that works on a referral basis meaning that I have a referral agent in those areas that works with me. And I am paid from that. So you're not paying too agents, but you are getting easily times five times ten. The amount of exposure then your neighbor might be getting because they're not being featured on my podcast network. Almost thirty three thousand total downloads and growing at an exponential rate over the next decade. So you, WanNa, be part of this now and anytime. You make a move, but the best part about this is. It's really just one click. You're just visit real estate podcast. Show DOT com. Connect with me via email. However you want. And that's IT I. Take Care of all the details I help you with all the marketing specifics, and I even make sure that your property is one of my featured podcasts, so you actually get all the incredible benefits of being part of my network, and it won't cost you extra, and there's no time extra involved. There's nothing aside from advantage and giving you the best possible sold story creating your soul story way before anybody knows your properties for sale is the secret. That's what people. Don't tell you if you're if you're simply calling somebody who put a flyer in your mailbox. And you're not doing the right research on the soul stories both in your area. And maybe the area that you're moving to. You're really leaving a lot of doors on opens, and you can't afford to do that. There are in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars, so here's the breakdown of the lesson I'm GonNa. Go from the top ten and go right down to Write down the number twenty. So in the top ten over the last year. OAKVILLE. Has had a one hundred and seventy seven thousand dollar increase in their average sale price. That's a huge number. And that's not even the biggest one, so they had a seventeen percent increase. Markham you guys had a nineteen percent increase, so that's one hundred seventy, one thousand change from two, thousand, nineteen or aura. You had a sixteen percent change. Hundred Forty, nine thousand Mississauga, a nineteen percent change, Vaughn a thirteen percent change, two, hundred and thirty six. One, hundred thirty six thousand increase. Richmond Hill you had a twelve percent increase which equated to one hundred and thirty thousand new market. You had a fifteen percent, which is one hundred, seventeen thousand. Helton hills you at a fourteen percent increase that's one hundred and eleven thousand in those of us in Toronto, had a twelve percent increase in the average soul prices last year of one, hundred, six thousand. So that's the top nine and actually number ten, which is not in the Toronto Gte area, is actually the top performing area in the entire studied area the Niagara Region. One of my very favorite places to help people move to and from over the years one of our favorite places to visit. We've gone there so many times. It's almost home. You guys in the region have had a twenty two percents increase in your average sale price since last year, so that puts you at the top of the food chain in terms of this study, and that equates to about ninety thousand dollars so almost as much as a Toronto. Made you guys made so? That's a really big thing, so those of you Niagara Region. You really want to connect with me. Make sure that we talk. Number eleven his agents with a fifteen percent increase, which is about ninety five thousand. BURLINGTON! Many of my clients have moved out that way I've got a great network of people twelve percents. That's about ninety four thousand Whitby, also one of my very busiest areas over the years that I handle personally twelve percents increase which puts puts puts up to about eighty two thousand. London, London Ontario the the home of M- much of my family, and against really great moves that have gone up that way nineteen percent that's one of the highest returns, and so that's about seventy eight thousand increase since last year. Hamilton also place that I've moved to. Ten. Fourteen percent for Hamilton, which is about seventy five thousand. Brampton went up about ten percent. So that's about seventy five thousand so now we're up to number seventeen, which is Waterloo Waterloo eighteen percent increase, which is about seventy four thousand. Pickering had an eleven percent increase. That's also about seventy four thousand. The Ottawa region which I just helped collaborate a move to their. For clients of mine from the states that had a sixteen percent improvement, so that's about seventy three thousand. CLARINGTON that had a twelve percent improvement about sixty seven thousand berry, not only have I moved the much of people to Berry Berry gone up about fourteen percent since last year about sixty, seven thousand and I'm also having my Berry representative on my podcast this week I think we've got a plan. Next Number Twenty, two is Windsor Essex region moved a lot of people out there over the years. They've had nineteen percent improvement since last year. So those of you in Windsor Essex make that your again. You're in touch with me I. Also have family and friends there eleven percent improvement sixty, three thousand. Milton a very busy area over the years seven percent up since about fifty seven thousand average price, there's about eight thirty three. Kitchener. They also went up about eleven percent, so that's about a fifty four thousand dollar improvement since last year last three or Al-Shawa. And I've sold many houses there. You guys had an eight percent improvement, so that's about a five forty one thousand improvements since last year Sudbury region. You guys have had a percent improve, so there's a lot of people moving up that way. Approximately thirty three percents, and lastly was the Thunder Bay region and Thunder Bay. Region had a five percent increase, which is about twelve thousand dollars, but you also have an average price of about two hundred sixty seven. Thousand in June twenty twenty, so that's still pretty affordable, and there's a there's a whole bunch of these of course that fall into the category of were a lot of people are moving because of Ford Ability, so there's a lot of reasons why you WANNA. Make sure that you are going through me so that I can help you a Maximize your soul price if you're living in Toronto GTE. If you're making the move up that way, which is what's happening, some of you have condo. Some of you have homes. You want to make sure that you're following every step, and then you're also in. In the position where if you live in those areas that you're also getting the absolute one hundred percent most exposure for the property that's out in Niagara that's out in Hamilton, that's out in kitchener, simply because if you're going through me, I can ensure that you will be featured on my website and on my podcast, so that gives you that added bit of an advantage and I cannot tell you how important that is right now. You really do not want to be another for sale. Sign on your street. You Really WanNa out you really WANNA. Have that added boost of being featured here again? No additional cost. Simply working with me through my agents in those areas ensures that you'll be featured on this website and on this podcast. Thanks for tuning in have a great weekend. Enjoy yourselves.

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Kim Mitchell

Welcome To The Music

1:05:33 hr | 3 months ago

Kim Mitchell

"I have been watching so many. Max Webster and Kim Mitchell videos. For more on this one than any other guest we've had really. Wise on. Just to remember all the music The funny thing is. I used to see. Okay. So there's the. Old P P hot wearing. Kim Mitchell. With like the. Beach t shirt and the shorts. and. Then there's the SPANDEX. Wearing. No Ball Cap. Kim Mitchell from Max Webster. And I used to see Max Webster. albums. In the store. And in my head, go that looks a lot like Kim Mitchell. Can't be Mitchell because not persons dressed. So, different. Than what I'm used to. And so. It never I don't know what it dawned on me. But I never connected to it. So hence, I, never. Went down. Any Max Webster. Rabbit holes. And then I'm listening literally the music. This past weekend I go I know this is Q. One, oh seven music. Yeah is like this is awesome. I said. This is unbelievable. And then interesting. Why did I not? Think that that was Mitchell every time I'd see the albums. I think in my head that can't be kimmage. High. The following podcast is brought to you by radical road brewery. The best craft beer in the heart of Leslie, Bill Find Him at eleven seventy seven queen. Street. East that's radical road brewery. Either I'm Kim Mitchell and welcome to the music. Let's begin. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Thanks. It's great to have you on your sir. I. Wanted to start off with a little bit of a story I, don't know if it's a story growing up as a kid in. Whitby Yeah. I remember my earliest concert memory I'll say earliest memory although it was a missed concert memory or or never happened. I remember I was always jealous of. The kids I think it was in seventy nine and you guys played Max Webster Iroquois Arena. In whitby and you know I think of a million vacations in battle scars and high class and like I think of how how big a how much it played a big part of my Pre teen and early teen years and I just wanted to I as a musician. I just wanted to thank you to kick it off by thanking you for you know. Inspiring. So many young kids just like think, Hey, I can do that too. So just wanted to thank you for that and off Oh that's that's a nice compliment. It's quite a quite humble England People. Come up to me and have a memory lake got My Drummer pointed a drummer I've tech as you know drummers we in our career as we go through drummers. Hold. The bar high, and then you all a bit higher you no. But the one driver. Was a great drummer actually, and he said, you know it. What happens to you every time someone comes up to you and I know he goes everybody has a maximum story or Kim Mitchell story and I said you're right and I said it's it means so much to me to hear little stories like that that you were a small piece of someone the fabric, the musical fabric of someone's life. So thanks a lot for that. No thank you appreciate. As. I wanted to actually the first question I wanted to ask you is. A couple of years ago you had a little bit of a health scare. And I wanted to ask you how your health is these days. It's good. It's four years ago now. I think. So yeah, three or four years ago I'm doing. Okay. That's what doctors say so. I'm going to believe him for now. Never? Know. That was Yeah. You'd never know it was a it was a heart attack and it was a pretty major one even though it was just left edgier descending nicknamed the widowmaker because many people not many people get through it. So there was one funny moment though and then we can move on from in the funny moment was your your outside the operating room and there's a group of doctors and nurses in the ambulance attendants and They're all. Yelling numbers and your status and all that stuff, and then they hold a piece of paper in front without clipboard and they go sign to. Basically says we'll do we'll do anything. And signing I went just let me die as I'm signing it and from the background. The Guy. WHO's now my cardiologist in a very thick Scottish accent which I'm terrible at Eagles. Well, that's the idea. Isn't it? I started to laugh off. You early, disgusting pain. Let's see idea we're going to doorbusters I think. That's why you're here for right. That is crazy. That's that's the weird thing that they do I've had I've been seeing the opportunity by. A number of years ago I had liver surgery. Okay and they had to remove sixty percent of my liver out. And I remember doing the same thing. I'm you're you're on the bed. And they put the clipboard he's just say just sign here. In case, we mess up your. Your Family Care Morris exactly and and if there's something more we need to do. This gives us. Yeah. We're going to do what we. Absolutely Now are you familiar I'm great. Thank you so much kirk well, like you said, the Doctor Sam okay. I remember going in maybe six months later or a year later. And my wife was with me and she asked. The. Apparently liver grows back. So I think my wife had asked a question is delivered grown back. And the doctor said, yeah, it should. It should go really. Fine. I'm glad I'm glad everything worked out for you and and also a bladed happy birthday. I guess. Just thank you. I cancelled it because a coded so I Birthday but you release an album. What's okay so so I am releasing him. Thirty nine for decades you. You look at. Thanks man. What's what prompted you to release? Avoid? You've released wishes great song by the way. Thank you very much well, being well received actually this week I got word that on all your diem ds whatever those things are called categories on all the categories it was number one this week on these ask. Why Back to the bottom of the barrel next week. We'll go. We'll go to Walmart Waking Up. Enjoy your moment. I you said this Kim you said this on a couple of interviews. About Actually, oh I, it's not just about wishes but you've said it in regards to other songs as well. That once you're done with it. You feel like going to the backyard and shooting in, and then that's it. helped. Me Understand the thought process. Okay. Okay. Okay. First of all buddy of Mine Ikuo writer that I work with and and we finished we finish the record and say, well, that's it. It's done it's mixed and mastered. Now what do you think we should do and he goes I guess we just take it back and shoot it because. Any we both laughed at it because you know that the thought process behind that as the journey for for myself and whoever I work with writing and recording is the writing and the recording of it once that's done. I have no control or anything it whether people like it whether anyone here it but there's I mean, you can only hope that whoever he does here we'll like but you can't control any of that. So why why Lou sleep why? Fred about all that? For us, the journey was making it and that was a beautiful experience even though. Many times writing records every Friday I quit the business for some reason I I he get writing and writing, and the week goes on and things are going like this because that's what happens when you're writing and recording and then try to it's also exhausting. He says, I have emails from you one of my co writers I have emails from you almost every Friday you quit the business for three months. Said I'm done. Monday it's like okay. So let's get. Let's get back to work here. So. That's what but thought processes and when you talk about, you know Monday through Friday. How is that? Is that how you work say now because you probably have the luxury of working my way now verses in the early days I mean no I know for me it was you know midnight to six am sessions. So is that like is that I prefer to work now in your midnight to six. Am All. Is that because of the prices studio time it was. Really see my twenty. Well. No no you make sense because during the day, it would be the beer companies in the car companies paying top dollar for studio time, and then you're right rock bands like. Yourself Max Webster Rush even they we all go in at midnight. And start recording till six in the morning Yeah for me. If. There's a project on the go. It's Monday to Friday My producer Greg Wells. When we went when I went to Los Angeles to record with him, he works from eleven till six. And he said. I eat I don't want you to stay. Holding engineer here and going on I, just want to work Atar salt goes 'cause you the pro you. He's done this for over twenty years and he's had a lot of success Grammy Award winning dude in any goes. The the project will end up being better. You'll. You'll make a better project, your mind beclere if we just worked out. In the evening you're in Los Angeles, you're in culver city go to your hotel. have eat at the restaurants, walk around whatever you WanNa do and he morning. Yeah. Clear. Your head and really matters because as musicians it's so easy to get caught up in that. How many times have you started at? you get out of bed okay. I'm GonNa get going yet. At Your Home Studio and then eleven o'clock at night. You're still in your underwear you haven't eaten and you know your your most your tastes like something crawled inside it died but I I don't work like that anymore. Is that where that was going again. Just Sort of keyed in when you said and sort of the Monday to Friday and. We've we've interviewed a number of people including. Familiar. More coward the engineer and like Mark, mark talked about the various. Work, and and some were midnight to six and that was what they did because that's the way they work, and so it was interesting to hear you talk about the Monday to Fridays like yes. And that's as I. Say while the projects on the go. Having said that in writing mode I, never force creativity you can't. Even, if you're jingle musician jingles meaning commercials for your listeners if or a staff writer yeah. You sit there and you show up in. Your coffee that the keyboard and away you go you start coming up with whatever you're supposed to come up with A. I've never been able to work that way. So that's why I kinda sucks I think I had. Two commercials placed wives is sort of some company took me on for Little Law and I was just like, wow. This terrible at this, I did get a couple place. Nice speaking you know you can't force creativity. With, you know essentially the I guess the city just coming out of a full lockdown has this has this moment in time and maybe especially The past I don't know month to six weeks with you know demonstrations regards to black lives, matter and such. Has this time period. Have you been writing have you been playing heavy been jotting down ideas? No there's two types you'd think. If you agree with me, there's the there there are those that are really motivated. And doing things and then there are the unmotivated. People I am the ladder. I never been like that but I will explain why I mean literally I walk I walked through the House I have a good cousteau guitar just sitting over there and in the living room and all my life electric stuff downstairs I walk by and wave at it, and that's what I've been doing pretty much. The whole thing I picked them up very little and people that said man you must be doing a lot of race I. Know I'm just that guy will go. yeah, I'm GonNa Paint I. Think it's time to paint this room get the painting ago. I feel like A. Drug so But the reason is. Recorded a record. Before Kobe finished it did three weeks of before covered. We didn't get the last date and this is the first time in my forty plus I've been able to drop my shoulders and step back from being. Can Mitchell and just being given an my dog webster's owner and Kimberly really average gardner and the really average cook and seeing some friends some safe friends and doing that sort of stuff. So music is Kinda of. Away Right now, even though I have a record yeah. What do you say you named Your Dog Webster? No I did not name the dolphins. Is is dog by dog is named Webster and he was he was a rescue and went to see him and I went so do we named the dog? They weren't no no, his name's webster. Oh. Really. I was like really An. Here's and so. It might. Dog Story you'll get which is with a dog Walker one day and the dog. Walker like taking pictures of other dogs he goes here's Webster Getty. Like. I said, did you say getting white? Yeah. Yeah. The dog's name Getty and she didn't even know who getty was. She's. A Dog Walker like Oh man and just. says. That that is that is find out. It's just odd. Yeah I love with things like that that. We we are known to take a really weird segues. On this podcast. So we might as well. Take take. Getty Webster Segue. Okay and talk about battle scars. Okay. So let me just pull up because we we asked some of our listeners. If, they had any questions and so ochre. So we have ready Mathison and. Rainy actually he has a really cool thing. He does every Friday, the Friday rock debates. he's got a really cool project that he's been doing on on that on facebook people engaging in that. Yes. So he shared. Friday rock debate. Just he he? He's talked about branding, ed or release like doing something more with it. It's literally just posted on his facebook wall and like a very engaged group of friends and friends of friends all chime in. It's a great idea. Yeah So. He says, this is his comment question. I, want to know everything about battle-scarred. And that was that was it, and then he starts you know writing down all the lyrics for the for the song. But May. Tell me about that I guess the collaboration. Sure Yeah Yeah it was We we a lot of time opening up a rush all through the states we went to Europe with them in across Canada and a lot other bands. Everyone thinks that all we did was open for rush but we did spend a lot of time and we're playing that Max Webster playing battle-scarred in the set, and we're noticing first of all Neil. mill pair would play are set every night that was his warm up his drums scrim. So as a black screen in front of his drums, no audience ever knew that we'd be on stage and his Mike's wouldn't be turned out. Obviously, we're in a big arena. Where you need to Mike's to hear the drums are drummers playing and behind us neal's playing are set with us and that's how he would warm up every night. So that was a pretty cool thing. That's one of my. One of my beautiful memories of Neil that and of course, he asked that I? Would you guys mind if I warm up to your set right now come on but after A great to every nine, a book and He. Remembers. Fully if only, we could afford him. Anyway the ban getty and Alex would stand on the side of the stage battle-scarred sounded so good with two drummers. And Neil New Olive Gary spills and then one night they just went. If you guys are ever going to record that please let us know we'd love to join you and like I'm starting to pinch myself this. Guy's in rush WANNA record with LAS. It's like this is crazy. So we ended up doing that and we rented a studio There's a lot of technical crap that had to go down to have two bands all those all the inputs biker falls studio wasn't ready. It was numerous nine were actually Jack Bridges and workout. And we cut it man we. It sounded like a seven, forty seven taken off like they knew the song already like they have. They came ready We had a joke that there were fans outside the recording studio cutting ear off and putting it in an envelope slipping under the door. But. It sounded amazing. We had it the I take. We burnt through reels and realized I think we did maybe. For sure we did over ten takes. And, and then we came we came in and listen in. Producer went you know it's going to be take one you guys are GonNa. Love it, and we're like, yeah, that's amazing. Let's hear some more I. Think we got to take three and we're like, yeah, go to. First one, which is always the case not always the case but greg wells went producer. He's had some major hits. Apologize One republic he had to Keith urban number one singles lately Most of Katy Perry's records. He had a song on adults twenty one record he did a twenty one pilots I record. He said every like the list goes on and he said you know that. Pretty well, every hit that I ever had first of all, we never expected its second of all was the first or second. That's amazing. So watch it while you're burning the midnight land young musicians going for that. Sixteenth Guitar Soul. The passionate in the first the first one in the first one. But if if you're going to get right in studio, you might as well play do ten takes. That's right. Yeah, what we're enjoying drug each other's company. Yeah. After a while you know alcohol may have been involved to. Drink I think it will sell better. Yeah. Shouted Wave Pattern. So. There's there's another perfect segue because what I wanted to talk about I had the pleasure of opening in a bit with Andy Curran and carrying on the boys following a Soho sixty nine it would have been then and they ended cure in band and You know I. Know You work with them way back early in that like what was what was that like like I? Just I Like I'm sure it was way different than when we were all older and more mature but. Oh. Well, you're talking about Coney Hatch I reckon with how sorry I didn't mean. Point. Well Coney. I'm not sure how I got to. Know them or see them. I just remember being in a bar at one point and just loved I thought they were just like had everything that ACDC had just beautiful rift rock solid and it just the the the energy they're transmitting mean jumping around enter frantic energetic I mean that that planted relaxed planted by it was just there's something going on there that I loved. So I kept coming to see them and then you know tried alp about the eventually got a deal and. Will you record us and I said, yes, sure you produce it. It's great. One to ask about that. Yeah. Good Time Steve Shouts Ski had the Best Guitar Tone ever did catch him. He was just almost awesome. Drummer Andy had sort of that rock. Sensibility thing I hate that word. That just in he knew where the song should be was beautiful. And let's not forget Carl. Great Band. CONGRATS. On the. Canadian songwriters hall of fame. Thank you. took me by surprise really really like you can as a musician, you can see gold and platinum records coming. 'cause people let you know your stuff selling and you can sometimes. Not Predict, but you can sense that. Oh. They're Juno nominated for Juno Award. Maybe there's a chance that Mike did this I don't know that one. I didn't see coming at all somebody from from the organization. So can contact me in my neighborhood here she lived in my neighbor and she goes can meet you at such and such a pub for drinks i WanNa talk to you about something. New Think Oh. They're going to talk to you about royalties some kind of convention or you want to play at something. Inducted into the Canadian songwriter all fame and not just a song. We want him duck your whole body at work. I just allows I went silent. I'd just went silent in. You're talking about the same thing like Leonard Cohen's in million and joining she goes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I'm like okay. Kim. Mitchell the data know who? This guy is. Would would somebody like Neil Young cushy Kim? Whose Commission? Mitchell? extorted. Think like that. But then also I looked at her and. Started to live with you laugh and I said, well, it's a pretty dysfunctional bunch I should have. Cheryl fit right in. because. That's This little theory that really happy people those really positive people do not. I mean can you can write happy songs? You can be a happy person generally, you're a troubled person when when you start going deep into the songwriting thing. Though when you think about Joni Mitchell, she's she's you know she said relationship troubles are heartbroken stepped on and ripped up and tore up and you know all those people like okay. Fit Right in. But that's are fueled the songwriter fuel. So your first telephone call when this gets announced its from miles goodwin of April line actually no, I'm sorry it was an email he has my email at. All it said was, what's a guy gotta do? He should probably be going in there before I just I felt it back and said managed to get something before you just my life. It's interesting. You see that because I had jotted down in my notes you said, you said, you know exactly that troubled souls. Rights write songs. But a lot of a lot of the songs that I remember from the Summers of my child especially specifically summers you seem to have those those emphatic songs that are perfect in at the C. N. E. Grandstand. Playing them live outside by the lake that that's the sort of. Setting that that I remember Kim Mitchell music being played at. Thirteen egret standard that with without venom with genesis? I don't remember with. Our. Ourself to but yeah, I mean whether's it's a place like the or even what's that place at? Wonderland these to have concerts. There are Canada's Wonderland. Kings Music Theater. We were one of very few bands that had a platinum ticket award. There was an Maria. So somebody else had sold one hundred thousand seats over a few years. Also what how do you get? How does a troubled soul right? Hardy songs. While they. Always been the songs Rhody then They they. I'm not sure. Where that all starts? That's the most difficult question I get asked any an right right of you totally right to say how how does a troubled soul right party tunes well. Maybe. There's other wacky stuff to there's there's beyond the moon's in Toronto tacos. There's there's there's odd Mash Moon in Hawaii and there's all we are, which is a hurting to song in There's. Know but there are those party tunes and that's because of the atmosphere. That I grew up in Canada. Owed spend time at resorts. I as a kid Grand Ben Beach Pavilions Summertime Woohoo in the winter. We're all sick with the flu. So so we're Kinda I'm pretty much rolled up in the house, but but in the summer say, yeah, and grew up in. Alcohol on a boat and that kind of stuff. So. I think that's where it comes from. And I'm not going to say I'm a total troubled soul but yeah, I've had my I've had my. My stuff I've been through and I. Think. the the stuff comes to me like the song wishes are on all of it actually I look at. All, this stuff is floating around in the universe up there ended picks whoever to be the conduit to to bring it to life. And and You have to be open for that I'm just I just serve Asaf I'm just gonNA serve the Song I'll try to do my best to bring to life is kind of that's how I see it I don't ever look like we'll it came up with this car and then I came up with that part and it's like no that Song told me no, let's not that's not right. Yeah. More like that more like that. Okay. Yeah that's it. You got it. Yeah. I've I've. I've read and heard Neil young talk about. His music in the same way. That that it comes to him and. And and the and the once it's written almost the same. So once it's written, it's written. And usually a songwriter hall of fame. So. There you go. Another another troubled soul kindred spirits. Yeah Let's go back to Sarnia for Kim if if you don't midas. What's What's your inspiration? Who when was the first time you picked up a guitar was was mum dad play older brother like how did that will begin? Okay. I'll do it that quick by my family was not very musical although my mom I learned later in life that she was in a group with her sister and her brother. Vocal group never called to bees and honey. and so that's the only music I know of in Sarnia. I remember sitting on my father's lap at a very young age. I'M GONNA call it somewhere around five to seven years old. Sitting on his lap watching Elvis Presley on the Joe after that I was obsessed. With, the guitar like all I kept saying I WANNA Guitar I WanNa Guitar One Guitar said Tar and completely kind of withdrew from going outside playing tag and and kick the can and wanted to hang outside with friends. Re I, go out once a law of course but. I. Said just sit in play to think and. Obviously, not playing it. You don't even know how tune guitar at that point you just it's just remember when I think back. It was rock and roll. The pulse rock and roll and Qatar it wasn't the scream I don't remember. People screaming at all I. Don't I just remember hearing that. There's some kind of group going on guitar and the fact that he played it so low. I thought this. I mean, you don't know that back. Kim I think that's where music rock and roll should be played. It's played down here at the CROTCH. It's not. It's not played in here is played in here. It's played in other. Other music. It's like down here. It's like the hips way is not side to side site, hip Abbott. And that's cool like there's there's two concepts. Rock and roll Elvis was like front tobacco. mcardle. So it's it's sexy to me and they're both are valid. So that's where it started in. China. And then they said I completely. After that moment also went into the corner of the dining room where there's a little forty, five record player. and. Would Play Hound dog over and over, and then they started by the records and I play everything patsy Kline. Angle. And then. They said the first music that I really got interested in was motown. Loud because it because Sarnia was if you cross the border over the Port Huron Michigan Your Michigan your forty minutes from Detroit, and so I was I was seriously influenced by Detroit rock and roll bands like the MC five who I ended up opening up for. The I told that to little Steven one day and and he goes did you just say stop because did you say you open up for the MC five? K said Yeah I think I was like fifteen sixteen goes man he goes your credits went way up. Any moment. So yeah, it's a music just. kind of went along like that I. think it be my first band at twelve took some lessons had a brush cut. I was a nerd, my first band I played based on a six string guitar and then they bought me a base where like Ooh, I don't like this thing. It's like there's only four strings and it's really deep and So I went back to guitar and then at seven. Team. I packed up with a man named Zoom we're playing our regional staff said. To Toronto you WANNA. Come. When you going? They went next week so I remember the high school principal going you know cam you have to start setting an example. You're in grade eleven now and We think you should cut your hair and I said that's awesome. I said, well, you don't have to worry about meeting 'cause I'm actually moving to Toronto next week he just Kinda turned around and basically walked away. You're done. You're done. You'll make Yeah. Trouble making you never amount to anything. That was a that was a one moment that I. Remember the in in Sarnia was might elementary school teacher because I great I was playing with high school guys. So on Fridays I'm playing in a band with high school dudes at high school dances. and. He he said, what are you gonNA where you? What are you gonNA take When you go to high school courses is because you know what he says. Your your sister really is is in high school and she's not doing that great and you're not half as smart as she is. He's that's all I. You know. Others just kind of a shitty moment. Where you know I'll always remember that and then them saying, oh, there's a reunion. Do you WANNA come to it and I was like no, I don't want to. Go to that. But you can hear teachers. Teachers, are supposed to build you up. Yeah, that's great. You're in music are you? Look at one of our students is going to play at central high school tonight for a school. Dad's that's great. It's GonNa make. Sixty bucks you know. So. Good on again. Entrepreneur Yeah. What. Did you parents think take enough to Torontonians Age there were heartbroken. You know you tell them at that moment and they're like. Oh. Moving to Toronto they went all that's Nice Union. Going to pursue music or you know after school everything back? No. No I'm leaving like next week and they were just. My. Mom. Started to cry. My Dad got real concerned that in the end I left my dad gave me. I think he gave me like. Somebody between two hundred and four hundred dollars you're going to need this and and you know. I got their blessings as much as they could. Sure. Actually. I can't let my son listen to this that you dropped out of High School Kim. So. Understand understand. I get it. Yeah. No. No, there's something to be said about. In greater loving having enough of drive to this. This is what I WANNA do. Okay. So we're talking to Dr Probably Stupidity. Think about. Eleven, what arrangement stemming team? Seven sixteen seventeen. Yeah, so you're moving to Toronto to King in parliament a house one, hundred, fifty dollars a month. The whole band Rhody. A girlfriend and next door three convicts it just got out of the Don jail. You know that's that's your neighbors aspect. Was Perfect. The doors you know you're eating your dinner a little kids. Try The doors Bang Swings Open. These three really need nasty guys are walking up the hall Victorian House, we're like stopped. What's GONNA WE'RE GONNA die. and. They're like we hear you guys gentlemen where your neighbors guys a jamming a lot more like. He wants to turn it down there. No. Not Not a fact anybody gives you a hard time. You just tell us we really like what you're doing and. Crew. Ego Anderson. Drink some aftershave and stuff like that because that's all we had to drink while we we didn't have any booth. He's sounds like that sounds like backstage Larry's hideaway back in the day. Yeah. Paid the dues in that place entered spruce strip out you don't so had the fridge out back of the house because the landlord when fix it? So in the spring when it got to warm, the band had to break up, couldn't keep your food. Warm. That's the truth. And that's what my show Dan Day started. When how old were you when you went to Greece and in what what happened to go to Greece what was that all about? Well, I just you just got me to the showband days in the first show Banos in was was A Greek. Male singer and And a female singer. And it was the show man I didn't know what a showdown was. Buddy called me when you on the road with a show what was the show them? What are you talking about? He goes? Well, we played bars and restaurants and it's Monday to Friday and it's one hundred, fifty bucks a week I'm like I'm down. Okay. So it's going to go back to school. And that was. The Greek singer. He did sort of Tom Jones thing not sort of it was Tom Jones thing and. It was great. Don't realize man lots of fun. And said my family's building a nightclub in Greece on the Isle of Roads You. WanNa come over and. Be The band like yeah. Sure. So two of US went because they needed the Greek government said. Half Year over half your band. Thanks half your bank asked to be Greek. So we had three Greeks. And to boss. from Canada. And it was nice. Man Spent a year on a Greek island quit smoking or slid and clean it was like wow. It was so nice, Oh man. You know stayed stayed the wasn't done yet. The club wasn't done yet. The first month we stayed at Jill Age village of Apolinar. Some of the people hadn't even seen their own coast. And It's just so beautiful there. Man. Best the really sweet time. Every day. And we was always thinking. To go to come back to north, America or to the big city or whatever. wanted to I was wanting to study guitar from a specific teacher. Even before I left and and so I love my time in Greece and then what I after about a year I went. I wanted to study from this guy because I've been practicing over in Greece and it's time to. Try. Do this so I got a hold of him. And made made the trucks to come back and that's when Meiktila cocaine into my life, who is a bass player Max Webster, and he was a an American teaching I think he's teaching in Windsor was. And we had just the worst Jan I flew employment. Okay. Yeah. Sure you. I'll go to try I. Want to go to Toronto to let's let's give it a go. I'm rambling on guys. Okay. Okay so We Windsor and we had the most awkward weird jam. Oh, this is very strange but what's move because I need to take lessons started Dan he's in a really good business head on so I was like. I think we'll be able to get something going and we we. Went got outs in Toronto and got a couple more players and worked hard and jammed in the basement and it got better and wrote smartphones and played originals and covers and started working. Larry's hideaway in Piccadilly Tube and all these bars and trotto Canaria going out Oshawa Whitby. Next thing Sudbury North Bay and King stunning, and then from there go okay we're headed to Winnipeg and. Kind of thing. So. Has Max Webster as maximum? Where did the name come from? Bass player Mike was in abandoned the state's called family at Max and they called Song for Webster and I just brought it up random. They said how about a name like Jeff Tall by nobody name nobody in the band is named that up Max Webster. Daryl stuermer played with him, Daryl Stuermer Guitar. Player. Phil Collins for decades. Yeah this is a fun time back through those very experimental. Very, I was I was telling Greg So. Greg obviously was was was in a band back in the day. Myself I was always A. Tr. Six eighty listener back when they played played all the top forty stuff. So obviously and heard all all of your tunes as well as I'm sure. You know backs webster songs came on their if not Q. on seven for for for sure. But I remember telling Greg. That you'd be going to the record bins. And you'd see a Max webster album. And you were somewhere on the cover. Of that. But I didn't it didn't click from me that it was you. It was someone that looked like Kim. Mitchell. But he wasn't wearing a ball cap. And he was wearing. He's you know just weird outfits. Cz. Yes? Yes. From Thornhill Right. That's right. It's My girlfriend who ended up being my wife, your parents lived across the street from bully. Wonderful. So I thought I discovered that blatantly. Oh. What's that across the street? Also Willie wonderful colleagues starting went over I started looking. This bizarre. Buying some of it wearing it. What was it was that just the seventies poking fun at Glam Rock sorta thing. No Man I was serious and sadly. Yeah. That's a pretty embarrassing part of of my whole career are album covers though. Yeah but I remember telling Greg I said I didn't click that that was that was Kim Mitchell. Get called out all the time. That's Max lobster sitting over there. They didn't know my name that's okay. The songs are. Those. Obviously who done rabbit hole as we're as we're researching and. Just flashback to all of those songs I can't believe. That although like you're on. All of those songs from some from way back in my my childhood and. Similar to what Greg said in influencing him as a musician you know. Whether it's yourself or bands like. The tragically hip where that music has sort of wallpapered. At least for Greg Nine. Our Childhood in our summers for for so many years or even Dini. Right Bananas by kind words but yes. Sure Very Very. Tell me about the influence of Jim Chevallier. Jim Okay. That's that's the first time I. Didn't ask us in a mini in my whole career actually Jim was A. Childhood friend. Okay. Back in Sarnia Ontario, musician and we played together early on pretty early on he was in the band that we moved to trial is actually him that said we're moving to draw and I found him we we read abandoned in all of a sudden. We're doing his songs he was writing songs. These this stuff is like so good. It's like really love it. It's so creative I found him to be. A. Really Creative. Person and Jim. I still think that about him. Except he never got out of Sarnia. It's not not. That sounds bad. He never chose to leave Sonya. But. That doesn't mean he's not a creative person. He's just I. Just thought if he came to Toronto and got a cool vibe he ran is recent man I think called almost floating and that's what the music it's like. You just start the plane just like well, this is just so trippy and beautiful. Wonderful. his songwriting is so unique. Still I was just a big influence on my guitar playing on. What I got to songwriting I thought okay. You really need to claim your own piece of musical real estate Rather like follow a trend or it was like, no, you need something that yours so. And That was his it was either like men nobody is like you nobody sounds like you nobody writes like you beautiful. You you had a long. I guess partnership I don't I don't know whether you would call it a writing partnership. You had like a partnership with with. My saying that name. Probably. A, how how did? How did that begin? Because I heard you guys be sitting in a van, hang you and you piece of paper and those patio lanterns. Yeah. He always carrying pieces of paper. You always writing stuff down on either match the Road Gopher. Soda. On on a Napkin at a party that we're leaving patio lanterns just on a piece of paper or dropping off in my van and he just put it on the engine coverage said, this is something I want to get hit So he was always writing out high was another childhood friend from target. He'd just sort of I. Think it's just SORTA help us with our gear once in a while. Hey, don't you know carrier guitars out to the to the van just help us packet if And then. Later on I, got to know that He. kind of does a bit of writing. And then when I went to Greece we we became friends but we never wrote anything you just show me stuff everyone's always kind of disinterested because there was writing songs but I look at and go yeah it's kind of weird stuff I thought he had a real unique thing with the English language jamming with it and it wasn't until I was in Greece I got a letter from it says I'm GonNa traveling through Turkey I'M GONNA. Come visit you if that's okay. get back or call back and I said yeah sure of. In the town of roads and just toss the old town and that's when he he came over and we wrote our first tune there. So, that's kind of a long standing relationship that we began writing with Baxter. who was a pretty, pretty unique addition to the whole vibe. People. Right like him and I'll tell you what would set our music and lyrics apart from everyone else is that. He was never a storyteller using images. He painted pitchers everything was every line was like, oh, that creates a pitcher in your mind. It's not like well one day we were doing this and then happened you know a lot of sort of like the bidding meal what country is. A lot of stories storytelling, and that's that's a valid form of of. songwriting but he was something like, would you never released telling a story? Here's no-now images I like. Wow, this is great. You're. The song let go the line. About. The keyboard player, Terry Watkinson. Yeah he will. With with Max Webster. You guys had the tier. So play on that. was. That was. Not The FL. One of the first times. That that a rock band. has included that or was that something? You guys? You know maybe saw the Beatles do something similar and said, let's let's let's have our own sort of it has been done many times. It was the first time we did it as a producer John Dot back who. Thought it would be a nice addition. We use them somewhere else too but we did use them on that and that was a cool experience seeing the charts and watching that whole trip go down the funny part for me was that whole session was they ran it through once and then. Apparently at certain time, they take a union break so we're about ready to push me. We're ready to push record and everybody went like this. They didn't even say anything just walked away. They're gonNA put her chairs, put their head bugs outside had smokes and talk the way. I look I'd never seen it as far away. We'll. We'll what is just happened. Control what what. Where are we going to do it take like? Anyway. No, it's Union break their union musicians union break. We'll be back in twenty minutes I'm like Oh okay college. SMART. You know. Yeah same. They came back killed it. Like. One take. that. Was it. How do you get that Gig we get these this twenty minute break. We'll be here at four in the morning you know fixing what you guys that don't not the case but. It was great. They were great. How do you? How did you and Peter Meet? HAVE PETER FOR DEBTS Okay. That was my solo career and I was recording and I'm a little hazy on. Why this other musician from Ottawa I don't know whether s he might have been in the band at some point. His name is called Butler and he was are bad for a short period of time but I thought he was in after Peter but I said to, Paul who is the provider is a you know somebody who could Play Bass or play guitar and I'm kind of looking for somebody who can sing to say it was yeah. Yeah. He says I know about Peter, for that. So we brought Peter Down and he played I think we had a bass player at the time so he played guitar. and. But. He said he he plays Bass. He says I'll play I'll play whatever you want me to play. So replay data and then I got him I started here saying it was just like oh A voice is ridiculous and and yeah, I, I had already written all we are was already done and it was on the shelf shelf that because like I can I'll I'll I'll get a female to sing this part because because I can't sing it. You know if everyone day I record it and then I heard him sing. That song started roll through my head and I wonder if Peter could sing this and I said is your range up around all he. Did a little bit of that stuff. WHOA. It's okay. So I'm gonNA yell in using. Your in the bed. If you have a van, you're in the band. Yeah. He's got a beautiful voice. Does just a beautiful voice. I can't tell you the number of times throughout the decades after he'd sing that song when we were doing really well, we'd finish some big show somewhere across you know wherever we were there'd be a knock on the dressing room door after to be like three four beautiful ladies and I'd be open up the door. Hi. How you doing with highs Peter here we meet them. Awesome. I want to switch gears just a bit for a couple of different topics. If you don't mind one is my son, my son Bryant who's in his mid twenties. His comment on facebook was you know how? How how much he loved the fact that you will one of your songs had become a I don't know mean by like a a catchline trailer park boys and Um with the the the the. Let's get drunk. Let's smoke. House you. You Rock. You rock the pissing. I'll rock a rock the Mitchell. And and and. Yeah and and I know you did some work. I think he did. At least one episode with kids in the hall and you are. On on one of my favorite short lived Canadian series twitch city Don mckellar which city was was was that an obvious another trailer park boys because I was part of their skin but like was acting ever part of her was a fun thing. You're doing it like that. No, it was. It was disappointing. My management can be involved in sin and they'd ask me go do you try this and they're like, okay sure. There was never really any moment in my career I thought, I'd like to act. You know especially after seeing someone like cheesy eighties videos, I just went well. I like to stay away from a camera I. Just really big a chart here. Yeah. Always spy. I'm going to say it was a fun experience doing it stop at the. Odd thing about all that stuff is the hurry up and wait factor. Of. Of Television of all that. The one that kind of blew me away was they use go for so I think it was go for Soda on Miami Vice and I didn't know that was going to happen I was watching Miami vice one nine. Good. Foot, did I listened to my hearing this right those kind of the and also next one was Joe Walsh calling my house one night. Out what happened. Well. You're sitting around watching TV with your wife and the phone rings and. To, set this up I was. Going to record my want rockland album rocklin wonderland out. Yeah and the record label. Said, you know Joe Walsh is producing you want us to reach out to him. And like yeah. Sure. Then you forget about it right like soon. The phone rings on night and my wife goes there's a really weird guy on the phone right now is. Called himself. Joe Says, he wants to talk to you. I'm Joe. WHO Like I'd forgotten. She was I. don't know. He's really weird though is like it sounds really weird. So I said ask him what his last name is joke because it's Joe Walsh. So you don't at all. He said it was like all right is show. You WanNa make a record I'm. Sure he goes. Record and he hung up. says. And it was all arranged I flew to Memphis. Put me on the peabody hotel but this is the wacky thing. Joel's picks me up at the Memphis airport. He's standing there with a buddy or like, hey, this. And we walk out to the car and it's a yellow Volkswagen beetle with the cars. With guitars in the back his buddies, cars, not even Joe's so Joe's in the passenger side dudes driving and I'm in the center. While the dude because that's the only place to sit have you ever tried to sit in the middle of the also ideal guitars in the back of my. What is happening here? So it was kind of surreal. Joel all story and then. We did our thing at the studio he was having trouble hidden. Girlfriend. And he kept leaving the studio 'cause I had a keep getting on the phone with her and finally just you know man, I'm just going to grab the next plane. 'cause you seem really distracted. Thanks for your time and everything everything he said though when when he was listening to the demos was like, wow, that's just great. WHOA that. Back, thing. And then The last part of this story and I'm really sorry I've been rambling on tonight and. He says, Iran, we opened up for. In western Canada and I walked up to him at the catering table he's Kinda. Geared, sitting taking a piece of cheese. Excuse me man I said. My Name's Ken. Said you I came to see you. In, Memphis you are going to record my rockland album and I came to your studio you picnic airport a hanging blah blah. I said A. And he's Looking at me and said I do remember that only goes no. Sorry. I thought you were going to ask him about why why did you have a yellow? What happens to your vehicle? That's right now you decide no, but then he was really sweet. Sorry man crazy times and then he goes. How you doing man I, it's okay. We don't need to do small talk and. I. WanNa ask you. More thing if you don't mind is just around your time at Cubano seven and. I I think of yourself and like Randy Bachman with with vinyl tap and I think of Wade macneil from Alexis on fire on the edge and. For me maybe former musician myself but you know I really I really appreciate the the. The perspective right. The perspective that you bring that you brought during a time Aquino seven saw a thing. That's very nice you to say I no way to near we're just around hall from each other and he'd come in once in a while we'd have a little Chitchat Does a completely different animal and it's it was new for me. I had no training and I think there might have been a little animosity is hallway from other announcers. They're they're the ones next in line or in the company course through. For about what is this guy getting the second largest shift on this radio major radio station as no training and as a matter of fact, we listened to him and he sucks because I did I suck for the first year because you do your, you start something new you're terrible at it but I worked really hard at it and I've said this a few times, pugh times of people that. Would about a year worked really hard and my boss was great and I felt like things were starting to click a little bit and it wasn't until another announcer in Toronto competing stations through Schoo- jeffries. And I got a letter from him and he goes because he had interviewed me he goes man. I've been listening to you and I can tell you been working really hard over the year. He said You I can tell you respect the craft and you're really turning into something and bringing something to the city. So so keep whatever you're doing keep working hard at it because it's starting to work really well. That gave me so much confidence To take. CARE. Of that. So you did and you did for sure. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. So one of the last things I'd like to ask before before we wrap it up is one more. Sorry Oh. Yeah. One Mark Journal. So I just I need to tell one story or any to bring up a listener. Wanted. Wanted to say thank you. So one of our listeners names, Marc Car WanNa. Back in the day, he used to work on Russia's guitars after they'd finished tour he'd work at a I don't know the name of the place, but he'd worked in a guitar shop in Toronto and life leading their guitars and he'd you know his streak them up to them up to damage control for up yet so this is this is his comment thirty years ago his car broke down on the highway. He hops a fence knocks on a warehouse door. To use the phone. You Open, the door Kim. He almost faints. He leads you into the House. To use the phone. And you let him stay to Lissette so that he could listen to you guys rehearse. And he just wanted mark just wanted to say thank you for the best surprise he's ever had and. Yeah, he's a teacher here in. TORONTO. At Earl Haig teaches science own a while we later all Hag Max Webster. Remember I've ever playing her. Oh Haggadah thanks mark. That's very nice mark. And he's he's collected. He has been on television recently because of his old. Record player collection and I'm trying to remember the name of what record players used to be called like to record. It'd be a those. Yeah. so He's got a huge collection of these in this. House. So he is a fan for shorter. Yeah. Telling me that. Yeah. That's Great. Someone knocks on the door we wants to use A. Were you say I'd come on, you want a hotdog. Canadian boy. A hotdog. blasted. Let us know you figure this song sucks. Take it back take it in the back of Kim and shooter. Sure. Yes. We shoot this song. added. Mark. 's Okay. All right. So. Back to the question I was GONNA ask us. What's in your ear buds lately? What are you listening to music? Positive absolutely. Love to hear that from our guests jerk. Usually the whistling in my ears I don't listen to a lot of stuff but Well, I shouldn't say that I do I'm going to say off the top doyle bramhall the second right now. people might go, who's he I in the eighty ages with a band called archangels. I've seen him play a few times and he's probably one of my favorite guitar players and songwriter and singer He dated I think he dated Sheryl Crowe as always I. Don't know he's got a Jo I'm not even sure why brought that up but. He was sort of say he's really well well liked it really well known using show across band and actually he toured with Eric Clapton as well. And also Roger Waters he saying you know. There's no pain you are received drivers lined. His boys is ridiculous information. So I listened to his stuff lately another Guy Aj gant is a slide player Little. Bit of Anna Netrebko who's a Russian opera singer she She reminds me of how. SORTA. Like There's there's opera and then there's sort of the. when someone walks out on the stage and there's just like something else amazing going on and I went to see at the New York and she's mind-blowing too many people kind of Fritos like what you like opera wealth not especially but I love her her talent. FREAKS She's way above and beyond so much. So that's kind of a couple of listening to over the past couple of days. That is awesome. So the album is that big fantasizes there were. A big fantasize. Yeah. Yeah. When when is that? When can we expect that to be released? September October November somewhere near. There's no manual areas we were able to pandemic kind of like. Well, scratch everybody's scratching their heads going well, what do you think Let's put wishes and wishes done really well okay down what well we don't know yet. So. I figured out but thank you for your time. I really appreciate the. Thank you so much. We really appreciate it and dial looking forward to to the new album. Thanks Again Frontier Kim. A. Thank you, guys. Stay healthy. Yes they say. Thanks man.

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18:03 min | 1 year ago

Episode 301: Fellas We Pulled The Curtain On Pure Romance!

"Hey guys welcome back to the captain's log. <hes> this is a fun addition today. You're gonna love it. I have casey and amber and they are what do you say. Sales consultants are consultant consultants and <hes> sales reps kind of so to speak or a company called. Oh yes for pure romance dance so again. I get very romantic today on the captain's log and i hope you guys stay with us. We're gonna tell you what really happened that. Those ladies sex toy loyd parties right. Is that what it is kinda sort of oh my god. We're beating around the bush sort of what it is casey. Let's hear it <hes> so title is sent. All the guys want to know yeah the guy everybody's like those parties like not really <hes> we are worldwide company and we specialize in home parties for ladies <hes> we sell everything from luxury bath and beauty products you lingerie and of course bedroom accessories term <music> sensory learning as or relationship enhancement products is what we like to call it a good relationship enhance that relationship can be with yourself for with the partner okay amber. How long have you been with the company seven and a half years seven and a half years. You're like a pure romance spurt spirt yeah. That's amazing. So how did you get involved in this because it's like not everybody can do this <hes> in and they can can technically but not everybody may have the chops so to speak to go out and do this right but as i think is really cool because everybody needs it. It's a great retain their offer absolutely it can it can help people and you know enhance their sex life and tell me all about it. So how does it work all right so i actually attended a bachelorette party. <hes> seven years of ours pregnant with my second. I saw how much fine wise they wasn't pushy wasn't like creepy be or anything <hes> we had so much fun. We learned about so many things we played some games and then i learned that the consultant made over a thousand dollars and just a couple hours at at the event at the party yeah son. I was like i'm hooked. Sign ended up going to sign me up. Who doesn't wanna make five hundred bucks an hour. <hes> i ended up going to a team meeting and i saw how much fun that the team meetings were too and that was i signed up right then and their kids were not on sale at that time it was fourteen hundred dollars and i was never looked looked back. I don't think i've seen that much of it. That was back in the day now today. How many consultant audit this is a worldwide company assume i and then i heard a little insight secret that they have some of the top members members in naples is true sure wow the founder and c._e._o. Of the company actually have homes in naples that's amazing tables horny little town all right so so tell me what <hes> how does it work so you went. You got signed up. You got this little kit. That was like your sales page. I assume right okay. It's like a bag of tricks like all your little toys all right so that the union massage hands in cranston some bedroom accessories while i think the biggest thing is that people are like those parties were all sex toys or over literally literally demoing them on each other apart. Yeah that's right. It's not right. We have fun. It's kind of like sex ed it means comedy and a. I believe you're in that group away. Say empower educate entertain like we're empowering the women in and out of the bedroom eh comfortable with their sexuality educating them on the real terms because a lot of it is still taboo and it's insane how many women don't know whether and clitoris and it's like it's crazy what you can learn. Even if it's just a little tidbit from the parties that will change your life and then of course it's always entertaining always fun. We're going to create that safe. Environment demand for women to be able to open up speak about some issue. Maybe they think that they're alone on things that they probably you hear almost every party the same yeah so we just want to normalize about everything really nash quality about issues trauma that they may have let them know that they are not alone alone and that we definitely have some products that can help them with that whether it's incompetent about themselves or helping out in the bedroom whether they're alone with a partner or somewhere in between between me and you do mostly parties or do you also do one on one consulting. It's just basically what we'll the attack you or do. You design the event in that people come to both those so this new vendor. Even a couple of consultants have done evils cried. Ah we're doing fort myers october as well <hes> we create the fund ladies nights <hes> so if girls have a birthday parties bachelorette parties jessica any type of theme party right just wanna girl's name exactly we come over fund ladies night for them. How many do they have to have walk. Free parties of free. Art is afraid you always just they always by host a party. You're going to get a gift for hosting the party from us and then you get ten percent of the party sale so if you have a thousand dollar party you're getting one hundred dollars in free product whenever you want to pick out of the catalog arriver so so it's a win win you get a girls night and free stuff and like i said whether it's three or thirty ladies that's always a good time with the party. <hes> do you got you guys obviously bring some thirty that but you also have catalogs that they can yeah and both roy and we always have a website app like each insult has their own website where you go on and shop and stuff and you're getting stuff sent to but it's better always i think to reach out to your consultant because we can always get up and they make sure you're getting the product that you actually need all right so so gimme some gimme some really fun party <hes> tips and <hes> jimmy something that was really a good time that is memorable from a party you had you don't have to mention names. We'll keep it very very discreet but if there's some fun we need to know. We need to know the guys out there that are going to be watching tonight. I really elite need to know this. What happens both. I wanna know at all. Don't hold back ladies. It's always fun going to a party with us. <hes> honestly honestly <hes> we sit around and sit around. We show all the good stuff we sarah silly little one liners. We test some things taste. Something smells and things one liners. Give me some. I'd oughta. Maybe acted used video advice. <hes> now one of my things. I always like to say as long as like we're like planet. Fitness is a judgment free zone so whatever you're into you go ahead and let it fly so i like to they need to be comfortable and be able to like chat with us about specifically what they need and i feel like a lot of women are like you know they don't want to have that discussion brother friends but he's not gonna work this out so i like to say the back door were toys or anal play toys kind of soften it up like some ladies are like i remember when they get in the shop and tell me yeah yeah yeah. I need the whole packet. Do you see that a lot like the ones they might have client. One yeah the ones that by the most once we provide them information on how to properly use the things to safely use their mind is more. We're open and now you'll romance. That's the brand as well for the for the toys and stuff right or no you sound off brand company. Do you sell arias or do you sell your brand a lot of parents that are exclusive to pure romance like some the laundries and items. Are you know you can find them. Other places early says so we actually have a lot of products that are only channel remain as well as the toys so do you sell like other brandname toys from the company. Does all that fun stuff were in business for ourself but never buyer of the company. Does all that fun stuff. They go across across country but i'm saying to yourself specifically. They always does player logo branding because i think they have that in some stores as well. The bread shouldn't know not they should not have bureau similar but we actually pick certain motors and materials. It takes a while to actually think they study. It's like over eighteen months and product development before we released a new product okay and how many money products in the catalogue a hundred ten thousand gimme your net yeah about eighty eighty percent of our line is actually about than beauties so it's not all yeah i mean everyone's showers rain a lot of sexy soaps and stout. Nobody ask us product so the fairmont infused broad. I said now that's a real thing right. One time i i was i i bought this cologne that said spray the spray them to try and see if i like okay and this is the basic instinct so this is our priority right now so give it a really good right now and she'll be horny. The only girls want me is actually going to bring out your natural fairmont so this is our now. It's gone yeah so now. Just give give it a minute and this is something we do at the parties to we show this product. Everybody gets a little swipe us in basic instinct on their risk and until and then a few minutes later you're you're not going to smell your own but once if you smell somebody else's you're going to smell their fairmount router said so this is now going to produce your signature scent so you could totally really layer this on a cologne that you do like and produce your mom's whenever jan whereby itself onto all right ladies. I'm gonna come around and this on everyone's craft looking around like what you're harm and they're gonna smell all the same. Everybody will the difference you really and it really does yeah well known. It's like if you have a partner and stuff and like their pillow. It just smells really good or do their laundry. It still smells like them that signature san everybody produces their own women typically produce it more when we're ovulating and menstruating waiting so if you really want to hurt us in those ramones and produce them when you want you can get the basic instinct and ruled on and it's going to help you put it in your heart beats any anyway. Those are the best spots that will produce the most. Do you always have the ramones running to your body like this and this captures sooner. How does it work. It hopes to answer natural so it brings it out like i said you typically produced the unlike women when they're ministering ovulating and stuff like why because when you're ovulating woody trenton new turn to make a baby trying to get that attract and so this way you can just produce whenever you like so you get that attract in all the time right but they're not all trying to make yeah baby. That's one of my own side effects of the products. They have a baby excited. You forget about things and pregnant with my second. When i started i now have three. Oh my goodness. You're addicted to the product for their products. Get heidi road supply obi data. We send the ladies home with pheromones over and then you know yeah yeah then the best. I think the most rewarding thing is just getting emails tax and phone calls from people saying how we have literally saved their marriage sure made them feel human again. You know where they've gone to their doctors before and been like shunned away or like or scared to ask question they feel like they're gonna get judged if they say something like we're definitely the the middleman or a practitioner and what they need to know but right because women don't like i was definitely a woman that goes into the doctor's office. I don't ask anything you're healthy goodbye. You don't ask questions so we're like the friend that can activate dr dollar because i've okay listen sexual wellbeing wall so how many times i've listened to like three nine mike giving advice consult like my answer when they're like oh. The sex is gone relationships over. It's like no. It's not true whitby. Gotta rebuild that intimacy fix it. There's a solution communication is absolutely and that's the best part about the guy's not being at the parties is that you know the guys are like anxious like what are they going to come home with and the ladies are excited to show them what they've got so so it really opens up that communication at home of what did you get or what are you like are. How do you wanna use. There's so you've opened those lines at the ladies by more toys spur ladies or do. They always try to buy toys for gather issue in like they start yeah. We always say you need at least five different. Toys is but most ladies will start with something for the guy to get them interested in introducing these products and then then they start getting the couple's toys and stuff like that but you always need multiple because every situation is we never know discreet twice. Oh yeah like four play. He definitely you wanna again actually tomorrow by the way what's hot right now. Is it those little remote control option job. We've we've got most of our items. Now are some mersa bowl recharge all quietly high-grade silicone like absolutely amazing. You're not that you get what you pay for a lower line and that's fine tooth and get the job done and even are lower lying like lower line quote unquote late to fill a luxury surrey silicon like they're still really nice. They were given time okay and what is the average say say you have two lines align knob rely or is it a high and middle and lower so what's the what's the the lower line consistent insistent pricewise sixty nine well thirty five really you're starting with yeah okay and then what's the middle <hes> middle would be like seventy and then i won't what's the rolls royce. I want to really get it for two hundred okay but you're getting heat technology collect everything like u._s._b. Everything the twenty four karat play rechargeable ferrari yup <hes> okay what about <hes> what about that one. That's the symbian is in that and that's like the diesel that the whole saddle i have seen that on mike lindell the winning to key west one time and the lady had to like show me this whole thing was like a jumpstart vernon. Wow that's so it's bad right. Yeah it's crazy. I was like whoa most of our products are actually really pretty. We designed for them to look nice and most of them are pretty disgree. Agree also like one of my number. One sellers look like a wireless mouse right but it is lake sells like hotcakes come into beautifully designed and you can just like we have people that go specifically to like fashion week and stuff just to predict what the new trending color is going to be for the toys is and what the designedly research team developed just right right now. It's just a bunch of horny guys running around toys now the include the ladies he's right. I saw this whole documentary thing about it. One time like so and then we are coming out with more all inclusive lines to mike for our r._g._b. Line and stuff mike that's for like the transgenders and everybody liked the elderly genuine neutral yeah like somewhere coming out with like a much wider range of products to very cool well ladies. I've learned a lot. I've had a very interesting conversation. I appreciate it. How can they find you guys now. <hes> maybe on instagram for facebook and tell us how they locate you on instagram. My tag is it's casey <hes> and then on on facebook. I'm under kacie b then if you're looking for me under my website it's pure romance dot com slash casey beanie c._a._s. e. y. b. in denver what's your instagram. My instagram is hardy by parties dot by john amber dot lynn <hes> facebook ambulant wise. My website is pure. Romance dot com backlash camper land excellent. We'll ladies. I hope that <hes> you had as much as i did absolutely appreciate you being on the captives lark today and that's another episode in lady of an account this lady off right now. Thank thank you and then she gets issue. That's right that's right. I appreciate your time. Thanks for joining us and have a wonderful rest of the day.

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112: Miss Jasmine Masters Returns!

Whimsically Volatile

55:15 min | 3 months ago

112: Miss Jasmine Masters Returns!

"Hey everyone doing out there. You're about to hear a chat I had with Ms Jasmine Masters from a few weeks ago and before we get into the show I just want to mention a few things about Patriot dot com slash Craig. That's the place where you can go and join hotdog club Hotdog Club is bringing you this show commercial free, so if you WANNA be part. Part of the fun of the mayhem, and all the stuff and the things head on over to Patriot dot com slash. Craig and friends check out the reward tears available and find the one that's best for you. You get bonus episodes. Listener questions, episodes movie club episodes. There's zoom meetings all kinds of stuff and things so with all that said it's time for the show. Attention fellow junkie horrors. It is time to get our Jewish with the return to whitby volatile of the consummate performer who gives it her all on stage online and in her heart. That's right. She's got something to say. It is time to shine all the time with further Ado I am pleased to present none other than our Lord and Personal Savior Miss Jasmine Masters Welcome Jasmine. Good good thanks. It's lovely to chat with you again. Why likewise I think the last time I saw you was at precinct sometime at the end of last year. The last like half last year. Is All blurry demand anyway? Yes, in your. How's your time? In quarantine been calling corinth because I feel like it gives it a little bit of Zip. You know I've been okay. I have so much going on with drag situation meaning putting stuff in order retouching Costa's keeping me busy a lot and I go by a lot on. My death warmed. To. I've pretty good during this subpar. I also to say that you know your lives, and all of your online interaction with people are really source of light and comfort in this time, because you always obey like that Europe years have been like that, but I've been watching your lives and and then the archives on TV and they're really really great, because they help to resend her you and also. You know no matter what mood you might be, and because you know, we're all going through. These crazy moods during this time I. I find that it's just like the wheel of moods is. It's so unpredictable, and it's just like you never know. You could be a good mood in an hour later. You're then like the craziest mood ever. Yeah, as a roller coaster of emotions, you know we don't know. We just finally come to. Understanding? What's going on something? Just that creek pop up in this whole another situation, our mental refractory period now it's like there's no time I mean it's like what's what's the what? A little bit on. The day were the protesting really started intensely I. Sleep schedule gets fucked up all the time. Right so like weirdly sex SORTA slept. Before things really happened and woke up and it was a really weird mixed emotions, because also waking up at midnight is anyway no matter how many times I've done it but I I felt like incredible feeling of hope, because there's been so much despair, but then. I got the sense that like Oh, my God some sums really changing I are, or on, maybe on the way change. I'd love to know what you feel about that you know. After everything that was going on with audit killers, leading says. Georgia's Kelly. I knew it was something was boring. You know you know already. Gone on with was going on in the White House down China's JEB gays from their rise them listen i. knew was gonNA boil to some point to where it was gonNA. Explode, yeah, and it exploded in talk that exploding. We also have something that is out there killing us as Wael right now. They really don't know. What doing with it, they don't. No cure for so you know we have that. Allow for all of this row between Thanking House because this buyers. We haven't all of these killings. If had enough of it so I. You know I understand the protests and the riots in because they don't understand the dill. We Start Tearing Shit Up. You Know Ryan as. I, say US, are we? I mean you know everybody tears? Shit out, you know. At. This point is pretty. Everybody does WANNA hippolyte? Live you know the best way that we can and I don't think anyone. Here for any bullshitting more, it does feel that way, yeah! No Mba data chainsaw absolutely and to see that there's been protests in every one of the fifty states which i. don't think it's ever happened. Before is kind of a staggering thing and and I. Find a hope and comfort in that again like you said with the White House doing everything they can not just to ignore, but the actively. Persecute and impair the lives of so many communities, and then with the like you, said Covid and the cops. You know I mean faith in institutions is probably at an all time low it is it is. A sad because you could see that more and more officers would be there to protect. Kinda keep peace. They are the ones keeping the most ruckus and bullshit up. You know you can't. Call say I'm having a problem because you won't be the problem because they've unlike at you as a problem, not with the situation is. And that just because that's their beliefs, alcohol run. Their beliefs at home and keep it at home. Not Reading the job and that's will be got. It gets dies up in that area. And that's why the defunding of police doesn't even seem like a radical idea at all. I've been like this. You know they say. Okay well, y'all definitely has bad cops and. One doing the cry, but you're watching A.. Anything. You're just as well as as guilty, but then you also have. On the person WHO's watching it as they go, say anything. They've got a whole orthopedic on bill because they inside seal was awesome. Today's bringing it up they. Their fire. They GonNa job you know, and until we can happen to them so like damn if I do I doubt Ryan, but at or somebody I say okay enough is enough somebody up in higher rank of do people in higher rates the image shit. Is going to always be is going to be. It's kind of like a cult. Really in that, no one can step out of line because they they will then be persecuted. For defying that there's a classic story of Frank Serpico the whistle blower who they tried to kill. He at I was just trying to not participate in the corruption. He basically was like well. Okay, you do your thing I don't I'm not comfortable taking money whatever but he because he just wouldn't take it. They tried to kill him. When you mentioned that you know you'd like to be able to think that if there's something going wrong that you could call someone and say, but we need help. What's your experience been with police? Just general over the years. Well, you know. I can say I haven't had. A lot of problems with them growing up I would say I have been in this area like the Culver City area. Yeah I'll when I hear like thirteen years ago, I will walk down the street and every woman I will get pulled over, and would you do in this area are on sometimes Davis. There wasn't school, but I'm like well I. Live right down the street. From the area. Only. But you know I have stopped like that, but to say like it being just other than. ALMANAC No. The most harassment I got was being in the area that I mean and they asked me what I'm doing here because they know your name, they run everything about you. Actually a couple of questions make me stand there for thirty minutes long. They wanted to take a break. And then it's. Got when they find out your luckily. Everything! Cleaning up but retaining. But is always frightening because. As the black, man. You know I know what happens the. I heard I have to have. To it, so we're all raised. Kinda talk about. At this way as this way, be like his tour. You want to be as you want to get at home. Kids asking you gotTA. Be At punk or whatever. They, do whatever you need to do to make sure your home. Is Sad that we have to live by that, but. You know we grow up? We grow up. Getting told his all. Right because that's the way it's been for forever and a day. Since we remember right, you were talking about an interracial couple American couple on your edgy live that recently split or door are divorcing because the white partner wasn't comfortable with saying black lives matter. And then you were saying also that at the end of the day you're still black and that some people are never going to I can't remember how you phrased. If you'd like to talk about that, I thought it was a really impactful point. Yeah, well is Al really know them personally, but on social media you follow you follow were not, but I had left A. Message, up there and you were saying that he and his wife or husband of seven years at garden quits as as as they can't understand why black lives matter. Honey. You're married to a black job and. You may not see. Things that I will go through my own on May, not bad. Things while I'm with you, but when I'm not with you, this is what I will go through. You know you're not saving me because your wife and is like over. Find Black so. It doesn't work like that, so they was having. Special whatever today designed to call it? Over but they have the couples where. It really heated. Athens the Lover Call You. Gotcha? In your life off, how do I take that? We're married and you call me A. NIGGER! Whatever and You're you're rallying for whatever trying to fight against. Rile right. Our Rights, but the rights of me be your partner and of the color you know the race that does happen is being problem, but you have no support for it, so do know they break. It's like. I guess. They call it a whitewash win on. A black guy or a black person. I guess talk. Proper are Tom Berry heels, or whatever they call white, talking or whatever sure call? As a term for white wash. A lot of people that. arcus theater a watch person. They don't have identities. chairs of the sales because they see themselves as another they end with that, so but ever whatever they feel like a fit in with any race other than their own always. FACE WHEN THEY STILL RECOGNIZE MR of your toll. Even though you hang around us, but you're still won. A Dam sure gave up. By. But they? GotTa, know who you are. No matter who no matter who you hang with. Each day. That y'all be. Regarding. What do you think is behind? That is one of those things where it's just because of where who people are hanging out with, or do you think that is motivated by something that is, if not a side effect, then a main effect of the systemic racism in that. People maybe not wanting to. Own, their cultural identity or perhaps sort of adopt someone else's. You know I had a lot to do with. How raids you know people wasn't raised in July a city environment where they don't win, city stopped. Of people grew up. Where was in a private situation? So this is what they're with business. They're up. And you cannot. The upbring, but you always you about no matter how a person is, raise whether you raise where millions or raised when a dollar you always know who you are as your culture. Sure you know sure all it. Aren't this race this with you stand for? This is who you are is used to be. You're like any other race as is I'm Angela, but the point of it is. You're always to be the raise that you are. Cat and You know lot of you who made being brought up in a different area this summit. There's a lot of people who were on. You know, let's say. That Asfour Fortunatus I. Have this mentality or this mindset that they're Gucci, are they? You know will. But and that could have been from a upbringing I guess could have been self born situation in themselves sure but at. At least. Article of people who have that identity crisis but they lead to always no, no matter what you do, gourmet leaving, hang out rate no matter who you know, you always consider a black person when I insult look at you in the face. Of the bank lay off. A piece of your skin identified you as. Always remember that that's who they are and sort of get the sense from what you're saying that. When it's crunch time, or when push comes to shove or something like that or when a very stressful thing happens. Some of my be taken by surprise by that an happy. Yeah. I have a lot of people saying. I can't believe that just happened to me. I live in his area. Such such nears believing in his house about this. The community idea dismiss important cops around the turn on me or whatever baby? Wipe. Down the boulevard. When Times hot. Back May. A black woman. Latino? Much author Oh. If August abolish it while it's good that it's all everything's being talked about now. I imagine. It also awakens lifelong, traumas. What do you think about that? In terms of the the the mental health state of everyone, particularly, when it's an layer cake with the isolation. That's going on well I. Think would be a mental state that right now is. They they just sick did of it. You know as like people are just fed up. You've gone takes so much before he start Nationale out before you start screaming before you do anything and right now the world is just tired. As, we. Said is often used as somebody. People tests not admitted them United States and that outright bears let anybody know. That okay everybody understand it is time for a change signed for. You know. The people are doing something cannot do everybody just tired. Right in with focusing on a blank doing this. is, everybody do the same exact crime and every race? Nobody is y'all believe we all be. Everyone had the same situation wandering a family somewhere right? Ally, we're not you'll be alive. Is a fan collar. That's it I mean it's hard to say things are shocking when the police have been this bad for so long, but the fact that even though they've been videotaped, doing these things or attacking protesters were just standing there or Pick something because you know there's one in a million things you can pick, but then the the audacity. They have to keep doing it brazenly because they've been emboldened by this administration. That is kind of giving them the wink, wink, nudge nudge all the time that it's like it's okay, right? Yeah, and it's just a one. Day Care of with. Whoever is in the main see? Yeah. started locking down on it Leonard J. You know so. We have to start making sure that we go and for like our politicians have LIZ cheats and everybody has that's redesigned. We want up there also when you were mentioning I think on the same. TV, video something I feel passionate about as well. You were saying we've got to vote blue. We all have to vote and not just one election, but every election we all have to vote because voting does matter and I get crazy sometimes when you hear, people say things like well. Our vote doesn't count, or it's these conspiracy theories that things are all rigged. I I don't believe that and I don't think it's In a in an energetic way it's a good thing for us to think that way. I think we always have to know that there that we can affect change matter if it's one person two people ten people. Yeah, and I'm out there this. Election we had. People realize they really do count right. Every get no matter if I'm lying, glide when we talk, and we just laugh in or whatever the case Rabi are always on a slide area. Tell anybody to bulk is very or Spoonful of sugar makes the medicine. Go Down Right and I also. And we have to also be vigilant about making time for joy and making sure that we don't. Just slide into despair right? Yeah, and you do a lot to help. People do that by the way I want to say that again. I'll get thank you, you know. I'll wake always been very cheerful, very happy. Diaper Person Ryan and. I felt like if I can make people. See that like being happy is the best way to be because you're always in good Lou. I tried to put that in people as much as possible because they always say why he had because I might feel right to be at. The option on. You know we're going to go with regards Butler. Your had at. I don't want to ever feel like. My Health for granted because we have problems when we you don't catch a cold when we the flu or whatever we do, you know that's regain was designed. To be happy. Granted that every time I wake up I feel good, and I'm happy. I was really thankful this morning to wake up and feel good because yesterday. I did not feel good. I'm sure you've had days like this to. During the corona crisis that like we talked about the moods go, and yesterday was one of those. It was like it was almost like what is it that drug resistant committee or something like that? No matter what I did I had some CBD now that didn't work. I had a little mushrooms that did not work at all. Actually went the wrong direction. You know like some some candy. Nope, not really I. Just ate the entire Candy Bar. But this morning, I. Woke up and you know I it was okay I felt like Oh. Okay, and I was just so relieved. I pause for a second because I just like to think about. How important is to remind people to to indulge in like movies or whatever it is an execute? Because I think there's also the sense of. Duty that most of us have all of us I think anyone listening to this. To be a prize of what is going on every single day, but we have to unplug sometimes to. Answer and I got to unplug that shit as much as possible because like. We say earlier before we can get. Our minds wrapped around what just happened? Already, going through right exactly. Zone out and do whatever and when I go, check everything pretty much everything that already happening at and everything is like this was all one big all. Right what do you do when you do unplug? I know you're tremendous music fan as So. That your sanctuary. I do a lot of music and I. Do Watch a lot of Mary's. Iger at actors singers. I watch a lot of different documentaries, and that keeps me like. Okay well, they will you know? All and it just makes me think that. I'm not going through that, but so one day go through that. That I'm going through dating. Give Up, so I'M NOT GONNA. Give either riot is if appointed times light? But, it's always that always keeps me very relaxed calm. Because I see a lot of things that they went through. They got they got through. You know it's just like a reinsurance. Dramatic things happen yeah but. You know staying there and keep going. Before, you know is all. You know that's right then. I find a helpful thing, too is to think back on really a difficult times in my life, and and don't necessarily obviously have the same severity as now you know, but. Any any like a bad break-up or something, really depressive episode and the the lesson I. I can take from that for me. Anyway is that that ended that passed and at times during those? Eras. It can feel like they'll never go away. You know what I mean. Yeah, and that's why they say. Stuff like that makes you stronger. Right because we walk. A heartache because you bend down and you just before you, will you make it out and you look back? You've not like all of that. Look at me now. In you got to go through the heartache but remember. Before you made it out. Yeah and you have a sort of a tool kit. You go okay. I'm feeling this kind of way or this. Break up whenever all right so it's going to be. Let's see like a it'll be three months and I might like. Get a little too stone for awhile. Okay, and then what else probably this and that and for too much and then? Before! This happened when I was with this way, so you already been through that experience that you can hand them a little bit more better than you could. Maybe the time. Where maybe the time you've been right exactly now. What's your go-to comfort meal during this time because I always love talking with you about food because. I saw on your energy. Live that you're getting going to town on some peanut. which also quite fond of you know? You. Don't have A. Meal I just go to whatever I have. Snacks right your big snack. Person listening person, but I like for like dinner enlarges. Down what I would do because I've been saying like with a friend of mine Night during this time like I. Come Home, then I'd be on there. 'cause we dislike, it'd be like just come here. You know we're not oh. Well. That's good though that's nice that you have. A. Around someone because the isolation can be. Really bad for anyone's mental state. Oh yeah is. Death, many bad, but me being a person, a homebody who out a sit in the house, watching TV doing things around the house and this Chilin. Wasn't there wouldn't be awesome for me. Sure, but a friend of mine who I've been knowing for years We was actually in Vegas when a shutdown. Okay everyone is shut everything down and I was like all case. You know he was just like you know. You might as well just grab your style. Or whatever you needed to have come to their house, because they'll need for as a be core gene in different places, not just. Rice. Okay, let me sense. Know. This. Is this a special friend by the way. Yes. Fabulous this an I'm very. I couldn't be happier for that. Because I subsisting on a sexual died of Tele, sex and I do do miss the human touch. You're like my. By special guy or merely many years, we never really made it into a relationship because. Out Things are now sure But you know it was like anybody GonNa be waiting by and. Like, you might as well. That's all. That's all like the real commitment in quotes that we need right. I mean that's that's great. Yeah, so that's been really good. Be. Eating Bambang we all. We could everything. I need to be a little bit better about cooking I. Mean I've been cooking some things. The trouble is gone to Arado making the same things. And then I was like I'm getting sick to death of all so I have to expand my universe a little bit. I have an instant pot. That I haven't really made good use of it. What's what have you been making lately? I love everything. Yeah, new meaning because I'm. A, day is is giving me more time to just be able to cook a lot of things that I haven't been able to cook for myself. Why saying now I'm not okay because I have to go to work, and whatever and that's all my time. It'd be just last before work. Orange Chicken and rice by rises out. Everything! I'm a lot more big meals though okay. Fries I've been doing like. A whole down roles, Greens, Cabbage, and potato, salad, and rolls I like big almost a given axial our love her like a Sunday roast on any day Oh. Yes, yes, yes. Background. Yeah. That's what I gotTa do this this. This is inspiring me to really investigate that I make some Chili to I can finally spicy foods again ahead and ulcer in January and February, so I couldn't eat spicy food, which is like my favorite thing in the world. It was very weird and. Again I thought my mouth was going to like melt. Because you know you're allocates used to, not whatever you're not having suddenly. But The time in between we spoke last the now you had a bunch of appearances on the drag race franchise and I wanted to get your thoughts on those and how you felt about him. You know I have been very thankful that they have been considered me to be apartment in in. They have done that so. Know honestly. You CAN'T That they are the big eight happen, gender drag world. Sure so anytime. They asked me to be a part of in operating WANNA. Be Apart. But always have a good sign. Know. Earlier. When it's, there will grow union win like I'm sorry to win. The. Ju- sorry I can win juice and I did how you. Know. The way you feel about it. Yeah because you're in, drag you. There's a lot of viewpoint that's all in the same line as meaning you. Five years you've been. Given, the twenty years yeah. Saying thing and we all stay in the same boat. You Never WanNa. Get up. You never was that job and be at the box. Ryan right why? Are. Bottom at some point you want to advance. You WanNa get a raise. You WanNa get a war. You wanted to get accomplishment and all that so. In on the show like that is not a wrong thing at all. You can't every day. Better say you know it was wrong. Now I ever outlined doesn't play outright for everyone to wear A. But if you know Oh, you are and what you? Can do it one. The bench and I guess in a way except for those instances where maybe people get. An editor or are presented in a way that maybe they feel as counter to who they are. Getting that kind of level of exposure on that kind of platform. You can't really say you lost in any way. No. No you can't. You really can't eighty loss. But a year like if it is a bad cuts. You, could you you never laws? It just made you gotTA. Work Heart Ryan Ryan. Is that at the army? You know who you are, and if to be something else, that is more work on you sure. Right on a lot of that grades himself as always they want and. They can make angry black and a Lotta time. Don't be angry back way. We've been the most cool. But it's easiest target. US three the A bag. And, then that plays into the the racism and the Phantom. Raging do it, but it already been this is they want anyway sure. Yeah. It intensifies. With racism in audits that when I really realized that the world was that they will watch the show. What really happened as crazy as the was here at my house and I think she'd had been on the show maybe. Three years at this point she had been on the so bad, even already did the little slip of that that are that brand with. ADS over. How and Here it should light and make no sense. I'm like what's wrong. And she might this body in my message about die. An audience near I'm like wait you get that. They humanity you right. But then I remember. Wa- course. You're going to get that. Of course you're to get that and look what they did ENTIRA tyrod. On the. SEASON TO Date! Our messages I'll used to do all of that still to this day. And then in the point. Ask The my window while yeah sure. It's okay. Good Gray as they were doing it in mine, too, and I was like I hope this ends sometime because it was like. It gets so loud and you're like how long because you don't think outside I go. It's a narrow walkway. How long does it take for them to cut that grass? Trying to drink, but I agree no go for it now I've been doing it so. I've been drinking and vaping the whole time. I've been trying to light up one PUKES. You can let up if you want. I'm never. Ashamed. Lighting up in that you must be. True Yeah, I like that at the beginning of the show. It's like okay. We're getting ready. It's almost like the theme music to your show. You know what I mean. You're rolling the thing. Hannie! Yeah? Yeah, so it's. It's a persistent. Problem and other, it's a confusing thing like you know. My mind goes well. I hope it gets better in the wake of the. More awareness now, but then you think well the people that would be riding those horrible things. They're not going to be changed by this. That or the other thing because those are hateful things, yeah. Was What is like mind blowing? We know that it's a lot of kids. You, know I young young doing it. Almost became denied it thirty S. will do certain things like bad or they go on a computer and say income when I say you know we're voting for. F.A.S.T. Is Rise that. We Business Matt I'm like what baby listed. Do not miss the same you put on my bathing. You're trying to promote. That says that it's okay to agape present. You're gay. And then we'll at done. If they were you woke, you'll hance kill you. To be done. Do you eat families while you still trying to think of a way to? Go like this to a person. You don't even know what you're doing that with. Ryan. Why's that is okay to your? As you're young, you're gay. Long to allow more games, I want to go through because there was never a rule as that is okay, so we'll agape mass do. Are you promoting someone who is saying is okay with your young. And they don't. It's insane. Also because of all the advancements and in the liberties that have been fought for so hard since stonewall et Cetera, and then for people to not grasp, but that's something that has to be. Kept going that it has to be. Tended to like a garden. Really. and That is truly shocking, and also you know when this the inherent the the racism in the clubs, and all that sort of thing. Yeah, you know like. I just say like valley. Girls at been through a lot of I haven't been through. Yeah. I can't speak all wis.. Someone else experiencing? Argon speak on experience that have never been through. You'RE NOT GONNA. I, don't know I can't tell you because I have. A. Lot of or is about a lot of people who banned allows sounds interesting here in la. Area or out of Xavi. Say somewhere I really are I hope for arguing that a lot of that James, because no matter what happens in life, no matter what people say no matter what they, but it comes down to the world and Gay World Yeah. Bureau all it won't yeah and don't care about. They don't care about is the race. We are on one damn hot. In a we don't come together to realize is really fighting a war against. Outside ourselves. Yeah, we always have this. Right in fighting when you're on the same pot doesn't do anything except except helped the people that want to keep you. Down and they give them more. This is why we don't want to. Look at what they do. They find anything out of it. Tires the terrorist. Right right and. We all we all. We all the same part together. Some most of US got way to was you know are not accepting us was you know Atlanta's accepted. The also fighting the same fight, a matter we are is we're in the same boat. especially. When you see an article that I think NBC published that the key to trump's hold on the evangelical 's has nothing to do with what. They pretended is which is supposedly religion. It's racism. That's the golden ticket for them. They don't care that. He is not a man of God as he tries to pretend holding the Bible upside down and all that shit I mean. Really when you look at like what kind of Christian Real Christian would would see people being I tear gassed in a peaceful protests to move, so that idiot can take a photo and say you know A. He's a man of the Lord he's one of us. That come out of that now and something that person's as so mind blowing me I'm like how anybody? I know. Although good news, good news. Apparently, there's an AIDS vaccine according to that Shit head everything he says you don't understand how anyone can justify it. By announcing bag can. You guys y'all staying appraises outlined. All world and the fucking. At death's door, yeah, made the whole world stop he may be was voted by a move. Their businesses says new. Dropping below Sam lost a family member. Oh yeah, absolutely. What are you doing? When people vote against their own economic interests, it speaks to this level of frustration and loathsome loser is what I think of it. It's like the people who just want to see you know like you see. People say stuff like well. The liberals are really going to choke on this one and you're like well. Is that what it's about? You know what? S A mixture of everything honestly. Happy. Very, because everybody's not aware. Some. People's minds have even. Developed team and be aware right this. Whole generation of lying. People are not really. Being on how white has gone? Because orbiting distracted them to know what is about right, right? WAS COMING UP. On his edge again is not even. Better for the metaphor did to Golkar. And in. Their mind is just wall wall wall until they don't know what it's about and. Go about things and all of that right now is free. We asked. And nothing to rely on in terms of institutions nothing that. We have to rely on things that we create the should be with guarded. Optimism, but at least some kind of belief that there is someone looking out for us in some kind of vague way, or at least there's something that we could turn to like whether it's the legal system, or or whatever, and that just doesn't seem to be the case anymore it really. Seems like. People are care, but they don't care about what's right. You know sure. Air, by John in making his right or make these peaceful. They just care about whatever they incur the benefits themselves although it's nice to see that that's changing with. Incredible amount of people protesting and marching every day mazing to say it's amazing to see it is amazing to see. All over all and arrays this. If people just out there one thing that always bothers me. With. Mainly like the black community. When it comes light gays and transgenders, we we. We don't get that same as sectors as as. You know we always got to be the ones that get knocked out because. It is like y'all when as a Latte wise rather wh, what are we? Rex as he said before. It doesn't matter where you grew up. What your job is. Et Cetera at the end of the day. You're still black rights therefore is it worked for anyone at is I'll say well I go to different media day protests Communists say well I'm just I'm waiting for my straight rise up by themselves will wear black just like you are yeah. 'CAUSE y'all need voices. Appoint just load. We need yours can. This is not this. Is that outrage? Saying this is not all their bed days of. No this is all of ally. All up together career all one in this situation facts so. It's crazy to see how. You know we don't get accepted and are all rates because. Right and that that's a long standing problem right because the homophobia in the communities. Is that correct? Very correct, it is sad because a lot of gaping. Won't be at the protest in because unlike we aren't because someone like George. I. It all we will be out with screaming our walking. Join up rise, being open on his. Bosley can until the world. Now, that's what we do, but when it comes to one of US getting hurt, Cunard, they don't do that for us. and. Carby, that never happened as a lot of itself will give back in. That's not right. that. If you a lot of our own people doing this to us. A lot of are all black men killing our old back days are all trays. It'd be a lot of. Killer our own sales. Meeting this way now right, but we will fight for. As vaporizer rights was wrong, but it's okay to. Whereas, and that's not. That's not cool. Do you find it encouraging that the messages have been a little bit more encouraging in the last few weeks. Or how do you feel about it why you know I think bat. All happens. Beer. Sliding to let them know trans lies, batters as Wael run at, people are starting to say well. You know what? They're right. They absolutely right because before any sex your race. Your your your is at your black. All lies map. You know because I told her one that he wanted you have signed or is this your your your net, you or your cousin? that. You don't grew out Jonah. Have Fun Y'all May, stars. Together and everything that saying no I find out down. Gay are like United States. That's what. They go out there. Get Hurt God. Forbid killed how you feel about you say Oh, my cousin, or do you, WanNa say walk. I don't care. Like to do that's like we're panels. They have kids it. Did you watch kids? Grow Up. You know something. A little different. Ryan. On Disney realize that you WANNA disown them, or why do love the widens in your belly? Apprentice thing was babies now they growing up, said this I am. You wanted this oral hygiene you? We're is. How you cut out the love stance. Either I doubt a lot like. Now what is your child or your family member? Not even with love there. We haven't Salah was every test. That's US back. New and added. You Got Way Alabi. Along that. Would you want it? You know it's like us. It is my nerves. Yeah, understandably, because whereas the conscience in that I could justify that, and that can lead to really dark feelings about human nature in general as well and also jaded I imagine. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm spacing out again. I find. The. This is just the nicotine the nicotine out, but. I know it's a funny time. I find that my brain is a foggier during this time I might be because it might be because of the onslaught of constant of very provocative information. Let's say and. Isolation in general. I'm normally not one short of words, and but also the gravity of the situation as well I find I sometimes just trail off and then I'm. Stuck but I can edit the show, too, so that's good. And also time is a funny thing. Now I find that judging how long time goes is a strange thing during this, because sometimes days feel like they whip by some. They feel like the won't stop. I was GONNA said. It's saying. How's it been for? You are really belie- time. Going by and a a lot at. I have such a good like. Fran based on my on my youtube and all my is groundless. Though, it will be. Sit here and talk and. Have a good time. Obama's before I know it is I was three hours. I have so much fun detail. I. Don't worry about giant them. Our I I. Go Mine I live or whatever happens happens in. Every time or longtime, we'd be on there. We just on their. Be Their with their. Time with the cell. With an by I know it. That's what I do is tapings as well I mean when you were here last time, it was a couple hours. We had a fabulous time. because. That's what I like. It's just a regular conversation. I don't like to them so much as interviews. You know it's just a chat. Yeah. So you said you were going grocery shopping I personally have tried to avoid that I've been getting to the. Delivered and weirdly yesterday they delivered it to me within a half an hour. which is like this is great, but then I thought wait a second. Does this mean that everyone's out running amok without you know what I mean? You know what areas they stores has been stopped. Shales been socked? People are now aware of how to move in a store and phasing. And it. You're going there. You wrap this up. You get out. Over the story for US Open I I think in the morning, but I gotTA getting out. Yeah, but if I go midday like like this time or a little later on evening is still like an out situation. Really got the rhythm of now. That's true. Yeah, I'm still a little thrown, but the people not wearing masks as we see things spiking and everything, but it's just gonNA. Take the course I. Guess it's going to take and I'm just GONNA be holed up here. Did you move to another place? Last time we talked way out the last time we talked. I. Always been. Here, okay, right right, okay. Enemy fourteen years in office I've been here. Since Nassau, we talk idea. Take the flight little move. Is Houston last year I thought I was going to ask you because I remember saying the Caccia I said. Did you see this tweet? Jasmine was moving, and but then I saw you posting something from here and I was like okay. I misunderstood, but please fill on that what we'll to use the out. Like the right time we try to explore something new in. To move out of California so I'd like. It was a perfect opportunity for me to move and I will. Then I'll white cheese. It was the well. There won't be any SMU right. Now. Because I know my folks live half the year in Florida and I can't take the summer time there. The humidity is brutal and so same with Massachusetts I like I. Don't miss the the humidity there at all. So was it similar to that was a humid and hot. Yes, but what outweigh without witness was it was humid. And Stormy, Oh, yeah, and every told me that they together again. All humidity dry business yet. The water inflows now this, but nobody's saying all out. Right it all in the. My head witnessed. Did it had kind of spooked me out because they're from California? We add he Iranian like that. That's like earthquakes. How long were you there for? Stay there a total of at least three months. Well. You gave it the old college try. If I calculate the days of me. Really Begin there, and there's the night nappy at all whiff since last three months. I was. Sure, what was your touring schedule like before the whole crisis? Hit, we're out. How often were you at home before you had to stay home? You Know I. was I was really good? At my schedule was looking beautiful, I'm the I was I had days I had down gigs. You know all the fleiss bubbles, Bay or rules of the deposits, and it was beautiful. Everything really had a really great a lot of good things that was happening. My podcast jump all. It's like WHOA everyday down. While I'm excited here, but the podcast because I remember we were chatting about that. When you were over here and I'm happy to hear that that's em- progress. Does it have a name yet? No, we don't have an still trying to think. If, I wanted of course something. Sure, what I wanted to call I'm Geoff Masters. I have some say our digital talk. Just I don't know what I wanted to be but we have a couple that was on piece Baber. That! I was GONNA. Take so what I was GONNA do right before I was born in a bucket, but the names big one now. That's a good way to do it because. If not immediately obvious, sometimes it can be a nightmare of going. Don't know maybe maybe that yeah. We're also gave away was at the names that I have I was maybe I could do little segments in the neck falls far in over you. The names out of whatever else yeah, that's a great idea. I had a green screen SAF. I. Got Away you know. Maybe, it's already one of the choices, but if if it's not I, think time to shine with Jasmine Masters would be a nice. That Long Time! So, so have you. Have you tape some of them? You know I haven't done anything because all in studio of right right yeah yeah. Yeah. And all that, but I haven't taken. Anything thought about trying to do it. Oh. The ideal of it. But I was like what you know Shit. I'm doing hooking them. Sit and all. Around into knowing that do like backgrounds and I won't have all these different, so my mind set on doing that sure. I don't WanNa do this now I. Want to do like my background now the up and up and all of that so. I WANNA still open to have it. You have dared to deal with which is a good thing. Hopefully, we internship resolve within the nets whenever we can now, but I might start yours in Audubon. Cool I think I made something outside of fiber. Until been decided waiting to my green screen yeah yeah yeah yeah. Well there's a lot of great options for stuff like the camera I'm talking to you on was is really great. It's small, and it just goes on the top of my computer and I. Love it because I I needed something for digital drag Khan, and because my camera just wasn't quite cutting or I'd have to turn the lights on so bright that I like it wasn't wasn't working. So it arrived just in time I, can send you the the make and model, or whatever of it is. My pleasure you any anything to do with that stuff. Just let me know what it's been delightful talking with you again, and is there anything you'd like to talk about before we? Close this episode. As in talk about but I'm just telling you one on if you're old enough to bowl. Lanes out there in both your vote counts. We need your. A lot of raised brought up in different, believes religious, but whatever your believe. This is not how we supposed to be. Be happy enjoy birthdays because as the beach. The parts you know the class whatever it is the happens. But. It don't mean vote. And voices heard and pulled away that get out of this. We want to be stacking or you don't know how long. We definitely needs to go. Please folks I couldn't agree with that more and also like to add that. We won't be in this forever. Even though it can seem that way, sometimes the people and and we have to do things like voting, and that's on every level, too, because I think, sometimes, people overlook a local elections, even the the lowest level of government, because a- things do. Do Start at the grassroots level and It's time for all of us if we're not already tuned into that sort of thing to be a little bit more proactive and seeing what is going on and keeping track of that stuff right right absolute- anytime. You'd like to chat again. Please let me know. It's always a delight talking with you and I appreciate you coming on. Any meat sounds good. I will talk to you soon. I'll send it a cameron stuff. Okay, but you have lovely day by. This episode is brought to you by Hotdog Club now to join hotdog club. All you have to go to patriots dot com slash Creggan friends see which award your works right for you and slide on into the thunder buns of hot dog glove.

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287- Investing Q&A: Stock Splits and Company Valuations

Invested: The Rule #1 Podcast

30:19 min | 2 weeks ago

287- Investing Q&A: Stock Splits and Company Valuations

"Welcome to the invested podcast and if you're waiting for Danielle to sign in. So am I I've been waiting for weeks. Now my poor poor daughter is. Still dealing with covid she's getting very very much better but man alive it can really it can really hang on for a long time I don't wish this on any of you and hopefully you're taking precautions. And playing it safe and wearing a mask and social distancing and all those things that unfortunately we in the West are not doing nearly enough of. So. Let me just say that I miss her desperately and this podcast definitely needs her. But at the very moment, I am going to just do a series of questions and answers today and hopefully that'll get us to where she's going to be back with us next week she's really getting close to coming back super excited, and for those of you who are new to the podcast which has got to be just about nobody. Because, you guys are new are starting at podcast one time you get to hear you pretty well got this figured out that we are working hard to educate both ourselves and everybody else. On the best investing strategy that there is in the world strategies that some of the best investors in the world simply say the only strategy of investing that makes any sense. And and that is simply Trying to buy ten dollar bills for five dollars. I mean that's what you do when you go to a garage sale right and that's really good investing. That's what we want. We don't want to speculate. when we're buying into companies, we want to buy them at a price that reflects. A great discount to their real value so that we even if there's a mistake that we make, we still get out of it without losing any money. So this investment style is all based around the strategy of rule number one which Warren Buffett famously said, his don't lose money, and of course, number two is don't forget rule number one. So let's dive in. Now with with questions, I'm just going to open the Mike and here we go. I feel and Danielle. This is meg calling from Whitby Island. I am wondering if you can help with the question about. Stock splits and how it affects how we can calculate our margin of safety. I know that we use a historic earnings per share a trailing twelve months for the calculation, and I'm a little confused on how when a stock splits like the Apple. That split four to one how we can use historical data to still calculate that margin of safety. Any insights any clarification you can offer is greatly appreciated. Super Love The podcast, love your books and really enjoyed your class Phil. Thanks so much bye-bye. Alright super cool Really good question that. Confuses a lot of people many people. Really don't understand what a stock split is. A stock split is essentially just re. Pricing. The stock on a per-share basis to where more people can do options on and more people can buy it and it's just more accessible to people. has nothing to do with evaluation which I know is not your question but let's just deal with the basics era I and that is that a stock split is the essence of a stock split appeal when they did a four to one stock split essentially if you have a dollar of value in the current share that you own. They're giving you four shares worth twenty, five cents each. So they're just making change for a dollar and so where you had a dollar of market price a moment ago the next day you still have a dollar it's just in twenty five cents John At this time, and that's all a stock split is there shouldn't be any impact on the value of the business from a stock split but often there is a big impact on the stock price from the stock split because people are stupid and have no clue and so or if they're not stupid and many aren't okay I'll admit that I can hear Dan yelling at me on this one. If they're not being stupid. They're simply being momentum speculators and that is because often when stock split the price goes up people by the stock right before it splits and hope the price goes up and because people are buying the stock right before it splits an the price goes up and people are jumping in right after it splits open, the price goes up the price goes up. But of anything that could convince that modern portfolio theory is completely asinine that would be it since there's absolutely no difference in the value of the stock from one day to the next. If the market is pricing things at its value why in the world would the price move? So I think we can rest our case there. We've made that case for years. So let's talk about the real question, which is okay. The Stock Split, and now I have four shares used to have one, but I'm not even owning the stock what I WANNA do is figure out what it's worth and so when I go look at historical pricing and all historical data. What am I, GonNa do I mean the historical data surely is in the previous stock shares right. and. The answer is not if you're using a good toolbox if you're using a good set of tools, those tools are going to reflect the stock split immediately the day does it and they're gonNA reflected in all the historical numbers. So not only does the chart changed like let's say apple is it five hundred immediately goes to one hundred and twenty five dollars. A share on four to one stock split. Right he just divide five hundred by four and that would be the next day's price probably except for speculators who make a game of it but essentially, if you're being rational the next day's prices a dollar one, hundred and twenty five dollars. So all good except now when we look historically looking back at the numbers. Out A per share basis that used to be the case back a year ago you'd be looking at five hundred dollars a share four, hundred dollars a share not at one hundred, twenty dollars this year but no, that is actually not correct. It's one of the really great advantages of of the modern era of having fabulous computer tools that used to you know have. Made all this so much easier back when I first started in nineteen eighty. It was a big deal to have a stock split because you you have to wait for the new numbers to come out and value line, which I didn't couldn't afford I wouldn't get that data for months and and so you always had to recalculate everything on your own, which is a big pain in the butt as you can imagine. Because, you're gathering the data off of the former ten K. filings, and those are all reflected in the old number of stock shares. So in that case, she would be right that it's a mess and really takes a lot of work but not anymore now, the computer data providers just handle it like our toolbox at ruin investing is all completely up to date on apple new, the new numbers based on the new number of shares. So essentially, our data provider just devise everything by four all the way back as far as I have data. And so while the financial statements aren't going to change because with some exceptions I'll talk about in a second because those are in just the the gross numbers at the dollars of revenue, not the dollars of revenue per share it's the net income and net earnings, not the net earnings per share although those per share numbers are in the financial statements and those will be what changes not not the gross numbers, but just the per share number because they're going to get re divided by the number of share. So now apple has I think seventeen thousand. Two hundred and fifty share something. Million two, hundred, fifty, thousand shares and it's four times more than it was a few months ago. So that's how that works in and the beauty of it is that you've using a good tool set which you should be then all that's just automatic just done for you into problem. Aren't good our next question. Fill in Daniel this Names Paul I'm from for Saint John British Columbia. And I try to do rule on investing with a couple of my brothers up here. So we use each other to bounce ideas off of. And one problem that we always come up against is. Moat finding the Moat for business that we're looking not usually when we finally say what we think the mode is it usually ends up being under. Management or finances It's often nodded something that sets them apart from another company. So right. Now, we're actually tossing back and forth the company Ruger and I was just wondering what you. Would think is there Actual. Their motives. doubt any light you can shed on that would be awesome and would help to solve this whole. Discussion. They. Are I paul good question about Moat the first thing I would do and I'm looking at mode is Go to ten k. the annual report and go to the competition section. And see what it says they're generally there's a there's a statement in the competition section that is, of course, they're not going to say the word Moat but what they'll say is We compete based on something right. So if you go to apple what you were just talking about your to go to that section, it would say we compete based on our environment we have an ecosystem and all of our products combine in the ecosystem give us a dominant position in the marketplace. So that's that's a statement of about apples essentially, they're switching moat right now you Kinda have to translate it into one of the five moats and remember the five Moats, our brand, and then switching, and then secrets, and then toll bridge and price and networking kind of thing falls in under switching like a facebook page. So the So ruger. Got This, right in front of me right now I'm probably should should try to bring it up. But in general what you're GONNA do when you're looking at any company is you're GonNa look in the ten K and start looking for that that statement of Moat often under the competition section now if it's not there. Often, it will be in the risk section. So you wanted sort of scan down through all the risks that the company and its lawyers have identified to. You having this be a good investment, these risks that you might encounter and boy they put everything in there, and often there's a statement in there about the risks of their position in the marketplace, you know what protects them in the market and what are the risks that could go away. So those are the two generally the things that I look for now. Also you should recognize that if you don't know what you're saying is that you and your brothers are out there looking for. These companies to have a moat, and often you decide that they're really only competitive advantage. The company has this got great people running it which isn't a moat right? We want to have a moat so that as has worn, as Warren, says, we want a moat so big that an idiot can run this company because sometimes an idiot will or some day in idiot will, and so a great management team can produce wonderful results. But that isn't the moat. Now, if they're producing wonderful results, they might have built a moat or they might be in the process of building one because what a moat does and just to make sure everybody follows along here we're a moat is what protects you from competition? A Moat is what allows the company to be durable because if you're out there making money and we WANNA buy companies that make good cash flow if you're making good cash flow, it doesn't go unrecognized particularly if you'RE A. Public Company, you have to disclosure numbers. So your competition is reading your reports every quarter, and if they're see, you're making more money than they are they're going to start looking very seriously at why and then they're going to try to figure it out. What have you got that I can do to make the kind of money you're making 'cause you're making more money than me right? I mean anybody in business would do that if you have a laundromat in your local town and there's another laundromat. There and they're just constantly full of people and they're you know clearly there the machines are are always upgraded. You know either some rich person owns it and it's a hobby or they're making more money than you are and you need to figure out why maybe they put in a bar right? I mean you got to figure out what is it? That is making them more competitive than you, and then you have to figure out if it's durable if they put in a bar that's not durable you. Can put in a bar and compete with him. So what we're looking for something that is very hard to compete with, for example, they the laundromat Bay have invented a new kind of washing machine and dryer much much cheaper to operate much much cheaper for the client. So they can under price you dramatically and they're taking away all of Your Business and in order to compete with them, you have to get those machines but wait they have a patent on those and they're not going to. Sell you the machine or if they do they're gonNA take a part of your profit. So this is the durability factor that we really are trying to look for, and here's the first thing I is that you WanNa make sure you do understand that it's got one and many companies don't have one, and that's why we can't put a value on every company in the marketplace because either we don't understand what makes them durable, which is the case Romy with a company like Intel or something I dunno. Chip. Right. I guess I don't really need to know but I don't know what keeps them from. You know losing out to the next chip maker so. Either you don't understand his too hard and many companies are too hard even for Warren. Buffett's of feel feel comfortable that most companies will be too hard for us or you know it's not too hard if it's you know something pretty simple like hamburger maker. You know then you gotTa. Think Well Does it how one? Do I understand it well enough to figure it out too. It's not too hard but if I can't see a moat, maybe it doesn't have one or I don't really understand the business. So I would look at it like this. If the numbers are really good, then there might be some kind of a moat there Probably some kind of your job is to figure out what it is and is it durable? Is it as durable as railroad tracks are for a railroad company? Right? Because you can't put any new railroad tracks that's incredibly durable moat or The airlines have gates and you can't put in any more gates at Atlanta international right or Chicago you can't put in more gates. So that's a tremendous moat very difficult to overcome that if you WANNA start a new airline yet aboard people with a ladder right so let's go on Paul to Ruger. So rigorous is this weapons manufacturer and Ruger got very famous after world. War Two they were providing weapons all through World War One World War Two are sorry. So they were providing technology and then after World War Two, they basically invented A new way to make guns, which was much more much quicker, cheaper and less labor intensive. So more automated way of making guns and they made very very good guns and they made him at a really good price and some of these guns became iconic, right. So of grew up with a Ruger twenty two, for example, the first the first you know rifles I had it wasn't a bbn and so ruger has a really high quality product for the price. Now, they don't compete on price in other words. They're not gonNA, just cut their price in order to get. You to buy their gun because they're competing with their brand they have such a strong brand in various weapons that people really like to own and and they have this reputation with the distributors in the dealers, and as a result, they have a fabulous moat. It's very very difficult to overcome the Ruger Moat, and just in general, you know the company is so well managed. They don't have any debt they just bought Remington one remains brands, which is called Marlon that goes all the way back in the eighteen hundreds and made some iconic you know. The western Western world, weapons, and they just bought that out of REMINGTON bankruptcy. So when you start to add debt to to accompany when that's in in in the weapons business and then they get into litigation like Remington did after Sandy Hook then all kinds of bad things can happen and that ultimately took down one of the iconic support for this podcast comes from facebook running business in twenty twenty is more challenging than ever. That's why many business owners are turning to facebook tools to connect to customers owners like Stassia Harris. Founder of the Brooklyn Hair studio magic fingers when she couldn't meet clients in person she gave braiding tutorials over instagram live and men will boost yo owner of the desert shoppers watchos soft the challenges of in-person ordering with the shop now button and he got repeat business from customers with the help of facebook ads Shantelle chance owner of the jewelry shop. Kismet, in company answers, customer questions with Messenger, and sells across the globe with the shop. Now, button connect with the customers your looking for with facebook tools visit facebook, dot, com slash small business. Companies in in Firearms Remington remedies gone I'm the brands are out there but oh, company is shutdown just came out and just came through bankruptcy and liquidated seven different companies bought them out. So ruger is in the best financial condition of any company in their industry they have the strongest brand they have the largest company in terms of revenues and if you go to any anybody that sells these kinds of guns to sporting people sporting in for sporting for. Hunting you'll see that it's very difficult to buy a ruby right. Now, you almost can't get your hands on one because they've sold out. So look without me taking you to the right spot on the ten K look in the competition section and again look in the in the risk of action and see if he can suss out kind of what they basically are standing on and often if it's hard to find often it's the brand of the company. But in this particular case, Ruger actually has. A fantastic kind of some kind of secrets, it's not a it's not a secret like patent, but they also have fantastic production capabilities and that allows them to have a really good pricing which gives them great margins. So that's that's that one. Let's go onto the next question. Film Daniel My name's Doug and I'm conducting Ye from England originally purchased my first dog which really happy with it doesn't pay a dividend but I'm not particularly the by that because I drive the company, reinvest a surplus cash nord sick grow the business and give a large evaluation further down the line. However, it did get me thinking about the subject to compound interest. So you talk a lot about how vital compound interest is successful investing, but presumably only applies to stocks that pay a dividend relies on you reinvesting not dividend. So understand that if I invest a thousand dollars in a company and I receive, for example, one, hundred dollars in dividends thought year that if I reinvest those dividends I've taken my initial investment from thousand dollars to one thousand, one, hundred dollars, and if a company grows by say twenty percent, not year I receive a twenty percent boost on one thousand, one, hundred dollars as apoe seem thousand, etc.. However, if I start to actually pay a dividend, presumably compound interest is relevant. If I intend to sell my stock. When it hit sticker price, it does not matter if occurs in four years or ten years as I won't actually make any compound interest in between. So my question is does compound interest only apply to stocks where the dividend is reinvested or am I missing something? Funky are Doug. Yep I think we're missing a something here. I would I would say that we're talking about not so much compound interest as compounding whatever the capital is. So you're correct if we were just talking about compounding the cash flow coming off a company, then it really come the concept of compounding wouldn't apply. To any of those companies other than those who are paying out dividends but in fact, compounding is so critical to becoming wealthy If you even if you never by a company that pays dividends in fact. Arguably, the best companies don't pay dividends the best companies for the purpose of compounding don't pay dividends at all and the reason for that is because if you can own a business that is such a wonderful business that it can. EARN MONEY IT can earn cash flow and then hold that cash flow as equity right and they don't have to spend it on replacing air airplanes, railroad trains, right they just hold the the the the cash flow from the previous year that becomes equity in the company, and then they get a return on that equity of twenty percent a year or thirty percent a year that's nirvana because. Take. That example that you gave you get a thousand dollars and then the next year goes up ten percent or something. What if you got a thousand dollars of earnings into this company that you own entirely right? Always WanNa, think of of ownership is something we do we own it entirely as are the sole owner you get a thousand dollars and instead of you taking it and having to put that money someplace in order to compound it, you gotta put it somewhere. It's gotTa go into the bank and it'll compound it. You know. If you're, in Germany it'll compounded minus. A ten percent or something in the United States, you can put it away for ten years. It'll compound it point seven percent per year, which is ridiculously low. except when compared to Germany so you're gonNA compound at very low rates. Have you have to take that dividend? Put it someplace save how much better would it be if you let the company compounded itself so they take the thousand dollars and like an Apple Computer, they might make twenty to thirty percent on it. The next year and your thousand dollars just became a much larger equity chunk. Now that thousand is say worth one, thousand, three, hundred of new equity plus the additional equity that they made. Over the top of that. So you've got this growing equity pile. That is so powerful that Warren Buffett says it's a bit like an equity bond so where a bond would have interest. The equity bond doesn't pay interest doesn't even necessarily pay dividends. It just compounds the money inside the bond. So we're the bond doesn't compound the money inside it. It's painted out every year. The equity bond is compounding the money actually inside the bond, and so that money starts to grow and since companies values in the market. Reflect. Ultimately their ability to grow that capital over the long run. Then ultimately, the stock price will reflect that kind of growth rate. It'll be in the stock price, and so when we're saying that we are going to buy a company let's say one hundred dollars a share and the company is compounding. Very very very well growing it you know twenty percent a year. Five years later or let's say six years later, seven years later. I think at twenty percents, seven years later twenty percent per year seven years later that company. Will be worth four times more. You'll have compounded your money compound annual growth rate of twenty percent per year. So you're thousand dollars will become two thousand dollars and then become four thousand dollars in seven years and in about eleven years it's GonNa become eight thousand dollars so if you're look at how this money is growing It starts thousand and then you leave it alone with a wonderful business. And that money just compounds itself. It's compound annual growth rate. Is stunning at twenty percent a year. So that eleven years later you don't have a thousand anymore you have eight thousand, and if you do the math on what that compound annual growth rate would come out around twenty percent. And that again is because at the end of the day, the market isn't just an emotional machine that's putting prices on based on WHO's the most fearful the most greediest like. Where we're at right now. Bright it's actually a wayne machine is actually going to weigh out the value of these companies, and if this company is able to build on its assets every year with a huge return on equity on invested capital of twenty percent or thirty percent Oh my gosh. The value of that company as long as it can continue to do that well under the future. is going to be enormously. Increased. So. If we can buy a company like that when it's on sale and I think there's a number of companies that are still on sale in this kind of covid world we're living in. If we can buy a company like that on sale and then it does compound at a huge rate of invested capital return on invested capital. Ultimately, the stock price will reflect that down the road and when it does you know when you're ready to cash in ideally not until you really need the money and retirement or something you you've let it. You've let a wonderful company compound your money at twenty percent for twenty years. You know unbelievable. What can happen two thousand dollars right? I mean if you're component twenty, six percent per year, which is a rule one standard target you're doubling your money every three years and many of these companies many of the best companies do compound return on invested capital at twenty, six percent per year, and so if they're hold on all the capital, they're not paying a dividend they're just compound money at that rate, and that stock is going to reflect that. Now you mentioned dividends, we don't. We don't not by a company because it produces dividends and we don't buy a company because it produces dividends, dividends her a choice of a CEO to allocate capital, and if that CEO sees that they cannot produce a high rate of return invested capital, then they need to get rid of some of that invested capital. They, need to get rid of the capital and the way they get rid of the Capitol to bring it down since. They can't invest themselves with a high rate of return. They gotta get rid of some of it. What they're gonNA do is hand it back to you in the form of buybacks which gives you a higher percentage ownership of the business if they're buying at a great price or dividends. So we would that that's why we preferred have them. You know be able to allocate capital to their future growth as opposed to pay out a dividend because it's just easier. They're able to you know compound that money instead of me trying to figure out how to compound the money, and that's really the secret doug is that we're not looking for interest per se. We're looking for value to be compounding at a high rate of return and the value of a business is going to be directly related to the kind of future cash flows. It can produce and if. It's able to continue to grow those at high high rates of return which is reflected by higher return on equity invested capital I return on assets right then you are going to have a real winner down the road in terms of that ability to compound and the beauty is we gonNa have to figure out where to put the money if we don't take it in the form of a dividend. All right. Super good questions. You guys I'm GonNa leave it at that right now we'll come back next week. We'll have Danielle back I'm so excited she's getting stronger and stronger and and fighting off that horrible virus and all of you stay safe you guys. Until next week timing see. I guys thanks for listening to invest it. If you enjoyed this episode, you want more information or to listen to additional episodes, visit our website at best podcasts dot com. and. Sign up for my virtual workshop right there. Spots are definitely limited for this event. I'm not kidding there. Really are they sell out very quickly? 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96: Up and Down on the Roller Coaster of Life

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96: Up and Down on the Roller Coaster of Life

"It's the morning show that no one knows. No one is talking about what is talked about but if dated the best way to start off. Happy Monday in your step admitted a human's Rachel Hollis is shooting her upcoming show. Ritual has an upcoming show yes richer Hollis is shooting a show that she has that will be on a platform of Whitby. It comes out in April and she is on set with a whole crew humans pointing cameras and telling her to be awesome. Uh onscreen so she is doing that and I am here to Regale you with some fun. Some encouragement reminder of of how much we are in control of what we do. If you have never been here before where have you been. We have been doing this on the regular for ever and ever and we are excited excited that you're here. We are a community of people who do not look the same who do not act the same who do not believe the same the same love the same and we still come come together sometimes. It's because of those differences that we are able to connect and see the humanity in each other in in that humanity. He may be afforded an opportunity to stop some of the sharper edges of our heart and connect better with other people. Welcome to start today morning. Show my name is state. You know what we haven't done for a Very Long Time Ladies and gentlemen please rise and remove your hats. It's hot it's starting so this one is it. Yeah that's right it's me I'm Dave rages not here ear song. She's a liar. Thank you e- Sarah Sunshine for having created this song for Sauna. Dj For put trap remix on it. We appreciate both the view on this Monday morning. y'All it's Monday. who had a weekend? who had a good weekend? I hope y'all had a great weekend. We are busy weekend. The House has had a weekend this weekend. We had a human being in our family. Jackson turned thirteen this last week. And so we celebrated Freddie Jackson by going to my least favorite place on the entire planet a an amusement park pool of roller coasters. And here's the the thing it's not that I don't like fun. I mean I don't love fun but I definitely do not like fun that requires motion or heights. I do not. I am not interested in motion or heights but this boy he's thirteen. His Pal are younger. Sons and Rachel. Hollis us who by the way is a massive roller coaster fan. Who Knew I did not know because it did not occur to me to take her to a place that I hate? She was in her elements. She was ready to go. So we go. There's a six flags all over Texas. They have these six flags things and we went down to San Antonio and we had ourselves experienced at an amusement car now by the way if you're wondering is February first the right candidates to avoid the crowds it is. There was nobody not there. I actually was feeling sad for a second for the people who are working at six flags because there were not enough people who them to say hi to but as the consumer who is interested in rolling into lines. It was a gift. Thank you thank you everyone for staying away from six flags San Antonio on February first because it made our experience lovely but I am terrified of heights. I'm terrified of heights it it makes me human. I'm not embarrassed of my fear of heights. Adjust from the word. Go have had trouble being comfortable in high spaces. My Dad had. He's a contractor. He just retired this year congrats dad but he was a contractor for the entirety of my life. Where going up on a roof and doing something was coming in? Every single time freaked me out. These roller coasters there taller than a roof. I will tell you that science and when we get there not even a little bit there as we're driving their rarely Hollis inspiration Unicorn says in the car how she is going to take on the scariest most exhilarating the craziest rides to show herself that she can. Of course she did. We're trying to go go to a birthday party and she's thinking about how this experience will change her mindset. And I'm like challenge accepted. I I am here for this also lady. Let's go and the reality is she might have been. Rachel Holliston me. Because I don't even think she has fear of these things but but when she said it I was like you know what I gotTa show myself. I can do hard things I gotta show myself. I can do stuff that I am not interested in doing. I gotTA show myself herself that even though I'd get motion sick walking to the car if I'm not driving I'm going to push myself into these uncomfortable spaces basis just to show the power of mind over matter and it happens. Who have happened on Saturday before I was running this very long run on yesterday ran twenty two miles yesterday more on that in a second but I was running twenty two miles yesterday and I knew that facts on Saturday and so I decided you know what I am? Probably at a certain point in an almost four our run going to need to tap in to something in mind over matter capacity so you know what come happy comey tall tall attraction. Jim Come at me the whistler the old gold miner. I don't know what they're called. They all have weird names. Whatever it was? That was the fastest roller roller coaster. I was like you know what bring it. I will do this even though I don't want to. Even though I had like all of these limiting things in my head about how. I don't know that I can handle this. His heart thing that the tall one you ever go to that tall one they like. Pull the little thing over you. You're sitting on this very bizarre saddle you are. We're now dangling over what is like two feet of space between your feet in the ground and then someone pushes a button. It makes a vacuum e sound. You know that so you are close to your and then you lift up loop and then it just brings you immediately forty miles into the into the sky. I set out of the stratosphere of atmosphere. What is happening with my email? I mean I am trying to tell a story in email. You're messing with me. Hold please it. took me up so fast. And no one else in our group was interested in experiencing the forty miles in the sky version of attraction which then made me feel like I had to volunteer to be the human who would put myself on this death breath machine just to show myself that I can survive something that freaks me out. There sat on the old thing now. Ramp said a prayer if this is the time if this is the time that the safety harness is supposed to fall off. God I'll be right there and boom we did it and I'll tell you what I got off. I got off that ride and I was like I can't do anything like I was so on fire for having done it that Truly I was like what other fears do I have like. I'm not in some crazy. Now the slack is is going what I mean. People are trying to work here at the House Company and I gotTa shut it down. We're having a morning show here people but I was just like I was on the cards. Doc was hank the tank just ready to go do all the things everything anything and it was awesome it. It was great and then we went to the tallest fastest. Like there's a sign that's like a warning warning This is not for people who have any of these conditions and then there was like seventy pages of things. Like if you don't like getting splinters in your hands if you gristle at the sight of blood if all these warnings and I was like this is the one this is. This is the roller coaster that I am supposed to go on today. Tsk I am ready. Is there a danger of you. Get motion sick other is fantastic. I'm always motion sick. Let's go so I just went to. The top of the universe came back. Feel like an astronaut over here. Put me in this chair and this thing it goes straight up. You know it's not t- too and then it inverse converts. I was actually leaning on a bar. I have a two hundred and twenty six point two pound man. I was testing the limits of this roller coaster. Boom we did it for months and the point is that's the point is when I got off of both of these rides to have faced something that was frightening to me and have survived -vivor but not even just survived. It felt so much pride for having survived it. It changed the way I thought about my ability to do hard things. Rachel Hollis was right. Her her hit when I have to say that out loud but she in like wanting to push herself and me into this situation. That would change the way that I thought about what I can handle. Doc Minute primed for yesterday because yesterday we went in to a day when I say me I mean being the roads I am preparing for marathon. Never run a marathon. Some of you probably sick of being pummeled by me talking about running. I don't care Iran Iran twenty two miles yesterday. So buckle up. We're GONNA talk about it for a second because I did not previous to my training for this. Dang marathon believed myself to be a human being. That could run twenty two miles. I don't think I could run eighteen miles. And now I have evidence this of my ability to do this thing because I went and dropped twenty two miles on those Dang roads. Though it was hard it was is way harder than I was thinking. It was going to be but there were some lessons from having run into my fear from the day previous while I'm pushing pushing myself. Pass a threshold of running that I never ever been exposed to you before you get to twenty miles and you start going a little tiny bit delirious twenty miles. It was a little warmer than I thought it was GONNA be. There was a lot more wind than I was expecting. My legs are tired. I'm starting to believe some of the stories stories that had previously been told to me about what tall runners can and can't do right like I was a person who grew up for thirty six years of my life believing a story informed by someone else's fear about what tall runners can't do as in top people can't be runners uh-huh as in tall people have bad backs and bad hips and bad these if they run so don't run running will destroy and so I just accepted their fear based reality as my truth and then one day eight years ago I decided to run a five K. I was challenged used by a colleague at work. I decided to run a five K.. And Iran and didn't like giving on a roller coaster Iran and I didn't die A and not dying. I started to wonder if maybe the truth that accepted from someone else was actually my truth or if it was some manifestation Asian of their fear of their worry of their reality that didn't apply to me and so here I am running twenty. Two Miles was a thin that I never thought that I could do and Dang it I did it and I want to challenge you because Ryan it turns out as a huge analogy for life. I don't know what you're twenty two mile thing is going to be this week. You are going to be faced with something that feels bigger than you can handle that because of someone else's the story of how people who are wired like you people who look like you people who have your gender have your states are able to handle these things things and you get to decide if those stories that you've been sold are the truth of your reality the truth of your existence or the truth of your experience experience. I now have as a fact in my set of experiences the reality that I can run twenty two consecutive miles and I didn't know that to be a fact previous to yesterday and now that I know it onto it forever and I had to push myself into a place where I was uncomfortable and a little bit. Afraid Eight and worried about the possibility that the story that someone else had told me he could come true in the midst of a very long run and now that it has since I have even more more evidence of how ridiculous it was thirty six years for me to believe a story of somebody else's sphere important for me to say this if you were watching this and you're like oh well that must just because you're wired a certain way or you have a certain makeup or you have like no no. That is a story that you're believing. Also oh yesterday happened to be two to twenty twenty Iran twenty two miles on two to twenty twenty and I was never in in my entire life until two to twenty twenty able to run twenty two miles. I saved twenty two miles for forty four years and I know this to be an absolute truth on one two thousand eleven. I couldn't run as single mile one single mile without stopping. So if you have some story in your head that it's too late to start and I'm talking about running and I'm not talking about running if you have in your head that it's too late for you to start your thing your dream your your side. Hustle the transition from you being someone who stays at home gets back in the workplace someone who's in the workplace coming into the hall. Whatever it is if you do have a story about it being too late then you will find evidence of that reality to confirm that story being true but it's not in less you believe it? I thought it wasn't a runner. I thought it wasn't a runner. Now I know that I am and it took me challenging a set of beliefs that I had forever or never to realize my truth. And you're GONNA have to push past things that you believe to be true in your life so find yours as well and it. Frankly it won't be easy. It was not easy to run twenty two miles yesterday. Mike like ability to recover from this run is a product. Act The way that I have been training as a product of the way that I you'll the myself through the run as a product friendly. I was out in the gym this morning. Five eight ran twenty two miles yesterday. Okay and was out in the gym this morning. And there'd be plenty of people like Dave. You need rest beauty rest now. I don't get injured from running these distances offenses because of the consistency that I have in being in that garage. I stretch like crazy. I'm working on my strength. I'm making sure that I'm feeling my body with the things that I need. This is an analogy people. You might not want to be a runner. Okay but the life you say you want dot requires consistency in how you're training for that life. The life you say you want requires fuel that feeds that life that consistency the fuel the practice through teen and the belief right. You have to believe that you can conquer the thing. Think of your of your calling of your life of your pursuit and if and if you can't stay consistent in it if you start believing the stories of other people man you'll fall off off and it will be. It'll be tough. It'll be hard so anyway. It was an awesome weekend. There was a game last night and we watch that game. I mean. I don't don't know that. We had a rooting interest. Necessarily outside of the fact that one of my kids put on allred and chose. Kansas City was the first time anyone's rooted for Kansas City. In this house in our lifetime lifetime but hey how about how about a good game like that. There was a halftime show. You'll see this halftime. Show she curious Shakira and J.. Lo I mean in their forty three year old and fifty year old women who were like moving and running and doing all kinds of crazy things. it's two things. My observations nations take your own observations one. I think it's an awesome a testament to a bad a women who are like honestly at the the peak of their game showing what's possible at their age at also. I don't know that they've maybe spend as much time explaining how much work it takes cakes and how much time they are afforded to be in that kind of shape. Jaylo has a job and her job is to be that physically fit and that kind of physical fitness comes with a commitment to probably being in a gym or working with professional trainers for five hours a day in in addition to someone who's preparing food and making sure that everything's fantastic so on the one hand I want to honor Holy Cow. What an amazing showcase of tally? Let's all my goodness girl power. Let's go I love that. There was so much like Latin energy on the stage amazing and also. Let's just acknowledge that the people who were showing you what you know can look like at fifty also have dedicated fourteen hours a day to making sure that they looked that way realistic about the whole thing. Hey I wanna talk to everyone about the Austin the Austin to who were stop of the book tour. I am very very excited about this We have now shoot. I got to ask somebody I closed. My slack is a noun up. Make sure I don't mess this up. We we have the Austin tour. Stop of the book tour thing that has been announced but not Described to humans. When do the tickets go on sale or Austin and we are going to tell you today? What it's it's GonNa be about and what day they'll go on sale? So that if you're interested in joining US mammy led the have you it. Is the single tour. Stop the only to stop of the book tour. Forget out of your own way that Rachel Hollis will be joining yet call. The big guns very house is going to be at the tour. Stop in Austin Texas. It's going to be at the paramount theatre. It will be on March twenty fourth and we're going to have some fun with it's going to be a little unconventional relative to the rest of the tour stops in part because it should be there so we're going to try and make it a little bit of a variety show if you will. I think we're GONNA do a little bit of like alive start today morning. Show a kind of. Let's have some fun like we normally do in the mornings year. We'll do a alive rise together. podcast asked is kind of thing. And then we'll do alive book tour question answered and Dave tell us all the things so that feels a little a bit like variety show. We might even call up variety show. What but I'm excited about it as soon as someone responds to this darn slack that I descend and I'm GonNa tell you what they go on sale but there's about I want to say the capacity of the building is pretty big and there's a thousand tickets so if you're Interested in in town. You're if you WANNA go man. We're GONNA have ourselves of really really fun time I am. I'm excited for it and I appreciate that it it being in town is the thing that let me jump on into this tour. If you're not going to Austin never fear never fear in the Austin. Stop going to be honest. I'm only going to get like twenty percents because I'm saving a hundred percent for every other stop when it's just me and the humans that I'll be hanging out with it's not really true but it's Kinda true I am just. I'm blown away by the way that people have responded to the book tour. They're more than five thousand human beings that are going to hang out with me in cities across this country. I am here for it and part of my workout routine and making sure that I am a conditioning myself is because I want to show up really really well for all of you throughout this entire tour so thank you. Thank you to everyone who has bought a ticket. I cannot wait To see you all right with that. The last five minutes of this star Today Morning Extravaganza Are there any any questions for this. One man army. They've before I head over. Apparently I'm in a shoot of an episode of the show that she shooting today. I I don't know if I'm supposed to be wearing a blue shirt but we'll see when we get there Are there any questions yet. I've noticed also Toronto onto in Los Angeles. Yup we are still working on the details. We are committing to letting everyone know what's happening in both Toronto anime on March first. So if you're in though Oh cities we will let you know. We're we're coming in hot coming in hot. Let's see I say we I mean me. That's right back. When are the rise run tickets going on sale? The rise run tickets are going on sale in a bout two weeks so we will make an announcement here very soon but we were just a couple of weeks away. It will be in the month of February and we are currently in the month of February so stay tuned for that We're excited for that. Run hopefully my running is Encouraging you to get your heart ready for a half marathon because I need a whole bunch of half marathon marathon runners to to come and hang out with me Let's see what do you do with your empty water bottles on your run. Thank you Tracy. Hard hitting question. I I leave them in the bushes and then I after my run is done something else making noise after my run is done I come back around Tom and I pick them all up because that is what I have to do. Is there a list of what you're coaching. Classes about. In fact yes Rachel. All of the classes twelve classes for life. Coaching twelve classes for career. Coaching every single class. We have identified ahead of times. You know exactly what it is. If if you go to the House Code Dot Com and hit the coaching tab. You can see every single one. What do you use her? Eat to feel yourself during your run so I put it in my stories yesterday today. I had so much fuel. So before I run a have a little mix of pre-workout something called a a. It's got a little high trader it has a puts a little beats powder in the circulation in a little honey and a little vitamin C.. So that's the first thing. Shake it up then. I make a peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich which I don't think any running website as a professional recommendation. What we do for you? Run Peanut Butter Jelly. So I have that that I had a banana and I had a protein bar case okay. So that was my like breakfast. pre-run then I had five stations every four or five miles. I hid a half a banana already peeled in a plastic bag. A half. A Tangerine and a half a protein bar and the two of the stations. I had a usable water bottle of electrolyte filled water. And so then every you know call it every forty five minutes or so. Hello I'm running. I'm running there's that Bush reaching keep running open banana. Keep running tangerine protein bar. Then have the water drink. Drink drink drink three new Bush Bush and then I come back and pick them up and I have a zipper bag that I run around my waist and I put the plastic bags in there. You're and do there you go Let's see is there a kids option for the rise run. I don't know we'll have to find out I'm not sure. Sure about that I'm not sure about that winner. More planners coming in the next round of planners launched at target. I WANNA say say on May first but they may not have announced that yet so I may be in trouble for saying that out loud I love the way you say. Tour are pronounced tour tournaments tournament tournament tournament tour tour and tournament have two totally different sayings. Chris Dang it Larry Go. Let's see let's see price range with Iran so we have not yet announced ticket pricing. But we're trying to make it as affordable as possible. I WANNA say I don't want to say without and get in trouble but I I will tell you as a team of sat and talked about making sure this can be as affordable as possible and have been looking at like similar like the Magnolia run for example to see like. Is there way for us. The price of this in a way. That's close to something else that already exists. So as soon as I know for sure I will tell everyone but we are conscientious of not wanting to make this something that price becomes barrier for you Let's see what are your thoughts on key tones for fuel. I don't know what T- toons are. It sounds like a blues. Blues has banned from the seventies I don't know anything about nutrition. I am absolutely absolutely the worst. I remember when I told you had a peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich to Start my run Let's see here. What else did anyone take your water bottles this week? No I put a little note on the side of my water bottle saying. Please don't take me. I'm coming back. My name is Dave Let's see teen boy education question Mar I. I gave this to record as a recommendation to someone who sent me a note about this in mind. DM's this morning. Other two books that I would recommend if you have a teen human who is interested in being connected to things that may be can help them with their mindset and motivation seven effective seven highly effective habits of up teen humans teen people teen boys teens. it's like a a different version of Stephen Copybook. And then how how to make friends and win. Oh Man I can't remember A. I can't remember what I can with. The book is called. It's like a classic. How got to win friends and gain anyway now? Now I'm going to ruin it because I don't have it sitting in front of me but it's Dale Carnegie Book in It's just like written in nineteen thirty thirty six it the stories that he tells the lessons that he teach teach is are as applicable today as they were nineteen thirty six. So I'm taking a look at this. Look Up Dale Carnegie. It's red covered book Let's see Good Morning Oh good morning okay thank you. Let's see anyone else any other questions. Nations any other questions how to win friends and influence people. That's what it's called yes at the end of each chapter there's a very simple takeaway. It's it has a bunch of highlights in dog years it's just like the most It's just like the most simple basic staff for had connect well with other people have served people well had have good value exchange anyway. I think it's like one of the few personal development books that could be read by literally any human no matter what level you are at you. 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Episode 146: Starting a Secular AA Meeting Live Stream

AA Beyond Belief

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Episode 146: Starting a Secular AA Meeting Live Stream

"Castillo a beyond belief podcast for by and about people who have found a secular path to sobriety and alcoholics Hello and welcome to our second livestream. This is episode episode one hundred and forty six. I do believe and I thought today we might talk about starting a secular. Aa Meeting. Actually it would apply to starting any any. Aa Meeting but Since we are looking at starting secular meetings that might be what we want to talk about. Now I hope that this is more of a conversation than just me chatting gene Because I think that there's a lot of experience out there and if you would share it with us You can call in at eight. Four four eight nine eight seven seven eight. I thought that what I would do is I would just speak for maybe about thirty minutes or so To share my experience with starting a secular meeting meeting and what I learned from doing that and what I've learned from other people and then we'll open up the phone lines for you to call in and you can ask questions about you know that you might have about starting to meeting or just Talk about your experience doing that so I thought a good place to begin is talking. About what a secular. Aa a meeting is anyway And now bear in mind that a lot of this that you're going to hear is just are my ideas my opinions and you might feel differently about some of the stuff but a secular. Aa Meeting for me is lower case. s in the secular and that. It's not something outside inside of alcoholics anonymous. It's not that you have a and you have secular a it is a S- as an AA meeting with a secular format. It's a secularly formatted. Aa Meeting. It's a secular meeting of alcoholics anonymous. These groups have been around for a long time as you know many of you may know uh starting back in one thousand nine hundred seventy five and they were called agnostic root for the longest time and there really weren't that many of them But there were quite a few Round the world They started and like I said in Chicago and then The first group that called itself we agnostics was in Hollywood in California than we had a group starting up in New York Washington. DC Florida Austin Texas. These are some of the areas where you had a lot of these groups allowed them started using the name we agnostics and then in two thousand fourteen. We had a a conference in Santa Monica California called the We agnostics free thinkers international a convention and From that convention and we started referring to these these meetings as waft meetings or as agnostic meetings anyway long story short we had A. We had a conference in Austin Texas and we decided to change the name of the conference from we. Agnostics Atheists International. We agnostics atheists a free thinkers international conference to the International Conference of secular. Aa and we started referring to our meetings as secular the idea being that a secular referring to it a secular is a little more inclusive not just defining. It narrowly by the belief system of the people who go there anyway kind of a long long way to put that but these are special purpose a groups groups in my opinion LGBTQ meetings young people's meetings medical professional meetings Their special purpose meetings of a Bob Ed w wrote an article for a beyond belief sometime ago called agnostic a one on one and in that article he listed three criteria criteria that these meetings seem to have in common and I thought it was a really good article. I mean he did a good job with with explaining this. But this is how he describes describes a secular enabling these meetings have a tradition of free expression. There are no prayers during the meeting and the meetings de the emphasis traditional God based a literature. Now that third point I think actually just Kinda come natural for our group and I think it comes natural for a lot of our groups. That is the literature. It's the original literature that may have driven some of US away from from some of the original meetings anyway because the the the big book doesn't really seem to apply to us To to some degree and the other literature as well doesn't have great things to say about nonbelievers levers so We do deemphasize those books. So that's my idea of what a secular. Aa Meeting is altogether now. There's a good reason for starting a meeting like this There's a lot of good reasons but I think that most of us do it because is Oh we might not have been feeling comfortable in in our regular a groups That was the situation with me. I've showed my story many times times. But you know I've been going to a for a long time some twenty five years at this group before I started coming out atheist and as I was talking about out of the program in a more secular way I didn't really feel like it was that that will accept it or received by the people as in the meetings with I kind of felt like I was is walking eggshells around these people and Didn't feel comfortable so I asked a friend of mine the only other atheist I knew If he would like to start a meeting with me for agnostics atheists he said he would and that's what we did so I think that's how a lot of these meetings start. They always say that a new. UA meeting starts with a resentment and coffee pot. So I wouldn't say that I was resentful but I have a reason for starting to meeting if I if I was going to stay in AA. I was going to have to have a secular either a meeting because I could no longer tolerate the regular meetings. So that's a good reason for starting it right there. Is Your own sobriety by doing this. You know it allowed allowed me to remain part of the fellowship and I also found it and do still find it a very rewarding experience. I think the most rewarding experience I've ever had in my sobriety has been helping. Get an a secular. Aa Meeting started These secular meetings I believe are more inclusive in that. We aren't making anybody feel uncomfortable with their belief system You know without the brain and so forth so there's a real need for that There are a lot of people out there who are just put off by the overtly religious tone of a lot of AA meetings. Kamini people won't even go to AA meeting to begin with because they already have the idea in their head right or wrong that it is religious and they just won't have anything to do do with it But people are desperate. You know they need. They want support with their sobriety. And they they start googling for you know secular a or a a for atheist and and and those people find us those are the people that A lot of those types of people were coming to my group when we started they. These are people people that just would not go to any other type of AA meeting. Then you have people who have had bad experience in Aa and stopped going. I mean we've had people well show up at our group that Oh Gosh they've been an AA for twenty years or whatever but stopped going because they were. They felt like they were driven out. Because of the the religiosity city And then when they heard about our group they were really happy about it and started coming again. You have people also out there. And we've had some of these in our group who have been traumatized by religion and just hearing the God talk can be traumatic for for some people. I'm thinking of one one woman in particular there who came to our group who grew up in a very religious household And she had a bad experience with religion and so so She was coming to our group. She couldn't tolerate other groups but what was funny about that as she ended up Feeling comfortable and other groups and she. That's so that's where she goes anyway. So there's a good reason for for starting these meetings so once you decide. I think that you WANNA start a meeting waiting because you feel that you know you don't have a home in Aa and you know that there's people out there that would benefit from it. Then you want to decide whether or not you should have a group or a meeting and there is a difference an AA group exist outside of the meeting. So you're in a group might be involved in service It could be doing twelve step work. it exists outside of the meetings And in a group would have perhaps multiple meetings within within the group There's more responsibility. I think that comes with being a group When you start a group you WANNA make sure that? It's the group that that operates itself that governs itself So you WanNa be kind of really think this through. I guess if you have a meeting and I've seen some people just start off a meeting and then become a group and the advantage of that you can be a meeting and you don't have to have group conscience to decide how the meetings run. You can run the meeting however you want. And I know that Bob Que did this with the with The whitby group would be thinkers group. He started off as a meeting because he didn't want it a conscience to turn it into a religious meeting. I guess so he he just he had it going the way that he wanted it. And the other CO founder and then later on it became a group so does some some some things to think about there's advantages to being the in group and there's advantages to be in a meeting. I'm we chose to be a group and From the very beginning we started having business meetings so the group could run. Its own way of having meetings so you know so now you decided that you wanna you WanNa have a meeting because because you're not comfortable in a you know that there's people out there that are like you And you decide that you're going to have a group so now you need to decide aside if you're going to have open meetings or closed meetings and This is really interesting. I find Because what what I have learned is I don't think anybody outside of a understands that terminology and one of the problems with having your meeting listed as closed as the people who aren't familiar with that they see closed and they think you're not open for business. They they can't go they think it's closed and it's very confusing. It's not really welcoming is not a welcoming word if you want someone to come to your your place putting the closed sign on. There isn't really a good way to get them interested instead so it causes people to question. Can I really go to that meeting. It says it's closed. They just don't get it but a good reason for are having a closed meeting. I suppose if you're concerned and this is why we started our meetings as as closed. I was concerned that I didn't want it to become something other other than an AA group. I didn't want it to become a club for atheist. I wanted to make sure that it was there for people with a desire to stop drinking and I see. I had an experience with a group in Kansas City. Kansas that opened its meetings up to the neighborhood and what happened is it became a community center more than an AA meeting. There were just people. They're all sorts. Who didn't really have drinking problems or have any desire to stop drinking but they were open meetings and anyway? That group ended up folding and I just remember go to these. His meetings and I thought they were crazy. So I had that memory in my brain and I thought I don't want that to happen to my groups. I wanted these meetings to be closed ultimately what I have found found for my for myself is. It's not that big of a deal whether the meeting is open or closed and here's why Nobody very few people are going to go to an AA meeting. Who Don't have a reason to go? I mean people just don't go to AA meetings because they're curious that's our or it's fun I just don't I don't see that as a problem so you know the people that go to a meeting either. Think they might have a drinking problem or they they have a drinking problem and they they want to check it out you know. That's basically why they're going but you'll also have people who will go to a meeting just is to support a loved one And that's a good reason for your meeting to be open. The happens more and more. I see someone might bring their wife to their first meeting so when might bring a good friend. I'm a parent I've even had parents call to say they'd like to check the meeting out before they recommend it to their son or daughter. So there's a good reason to have open meetings to what we've done in in at are group's in Kansas City. We have some open some closed meetings but the clothes meetings. If anybody were to show up we're very welcoming. You Never WanNa be in this position where you start quizzing people as to whether or not they should be there Especially especially if you're gonNA use the language like do you have a desire to stop drinking That's people don't talk that way and they probably don't have a desire to stop drinking. They just it's no they need to eat out so just you know. I don't think it's a big deal so I'm at the point where I think an open meeting is probably a good way to go but if you have concerns turns that you're meeting is going to be overrun with people who aren't alcoholics. And may be closed as the way to go in and also when you talk about that The whole there's a problem right now I think in. Aa where there's a there are. People that are fanatical about our primary purpose or singleness of purpose and they think that drug addicts can't go to meetings but that's not true you can have other problems besides alcohol and be a member of AA. You don't even have to have a problem tackle. All you have to have to have is a desire to stop drinking. That's all it takes and if you have a problem with drugs and you know that not drinking is an important part of your recovery every from your drug addiction then you have a right to be a member because you have a desire stop drinking so anyway but what. I found long short and I've talked about this a little bit too long. It's very rare to find somebody in a meeting doesn't belong instead of that. You want to figure out what to call your group and and we decided to call ours. We agnostics because we wanted to have agnostic in the name so that people knew it was an agnostic meeting. We were afraid that we wouldn't be welcomed and in our community that turned out to be not true We just wanted people to be able to find us. And that's actually why a lot of these groups call themselves. We agnostics eggs were atheists agnostics and free thinkers free thinkers or. Whatever they have that name they have that in their group name as sort of a Co.? Just let people know that this is a different type of a meeting a secular meeting. You'RE NOT GONNA be praying here so a lot of people put that in their name. I think it's becoming less important now because I think that these meetings are becoming more accepted in the greater. Aa Community most intergroups and in places that list AA meetings will have the designation secular to let people know that. That's a meeting that you can go to and not expect to be praying and so forth so so you know. It's not probably as important what you can call your group now. I see a lot of new groups coming up with names. That don't have atheist or agnostic or free thinker in the title. So I think that another important thing about starting a group is that you have someone to help you. I I had just one person me and GM and it was really important. Because I knew that eventually there's going to be something someday when I wouldn't be able to go to the meeting and you you always Wanna be able to have someone there to make sure that the door is open for the person who shows up so jim and I did that. You know if there was ever a situation situation where I couldn't be there I knew Jim would be there. And if there's ever a case that you know Jim couldn't be there. I knew he knew that I would be there. We were real fortunate that shortly after we started we had a core group of four or five of us. That would make sure that that that that meeting would be there for anyone who would show up and really early in no time at all. Jim and I got to where we didn't really have to go to meetings if we didn't want to but it's good to have one or two or three or four people help you start start the meeting but if you can't find more than just one person I think one person is enough. Just make sure that the two of you can commit to being there to to to be there for people people. If you don't know of anybody to start a meeting with there's a couple of ways you can find them if you speak openly at meetings and and sometimes it's GonNa be hard to do but if you can come out openly as an atheist or agnostic or whatever you want to find yourself as a non believer secular person if you come out openly in your meetings you might might find someone else do the same and maybe the two of you could get together and started started meeting or three or four of you You can also check out on social so media. There are a lot of secular a group. secret facebook groups for example we have one for a beyond belief. You got the Secular a coffee shop. You Got Atheists agnostics. Aa You've got. Oh Gosh Dale's group A secular sobriety. You got all kinds of different Private facebook groups that you can join and meet people from all over the world you might meet someone in your own community. That could start a meeting with you. You can also write right the secular. Aa website they used to have a a service that would hook people up with with each other. But if you contact the secular. Aa Website The the bathroom or whoever secular age org they might also be able to help you said that there are just some ideas of how to find people but you definitely need somebody more than just yourself then finding a meeting space. This is interesting because you know most of our meetings smeaton churches and some people think that. That's that's weird I I don't find it so A lot of our meetings meet and UNITARIAN universalist churches. That's where our group meets and we're very welcomed. Their the rent is reasonable for us. We pay twenty dollars a meeting And by the way I think it's important that you pay rent if someone offers it for free At least tell them that you would like to make donations on a regular basis this from whatever you're able to to Have donated from the basket. But it's important to be self-supporting just I th I think so you WanNa have a space that you can afford. The churches are very audible. The free thinkers group in Kansas City. They meet an Episcopal Church and that church is very welcoming to them so but another another one of our meetings meets at a hospital. Hospitals are also good they They have room so they can rent. Sometimes they're a little bit pricey and it's a big hospital sometimes the bureaucracy. Accuracy is kind of crazy to get someone actually talk to you about renting the space. The meeting that we have at the medical center is kind of funny. We were actually squatters for the longest time because we could never get anybody from the hospital to actually tell us that we could actually meet their but eventually we did get that out on. So it's Kinda interesting there are groups that meet and Alana uh-huh clubs and if you just have a meeting and a Lotta Club could be a good answer The group in Saint Louis Missouri. They meet in a beautiful. Alan Club. If you're ever in Saint Louis you should check out the The secular meeting their Louis. agnostics group in Saint Louis. It's a really cool place Office buildings A lot of groups and candidate used to meet in the office buildings and storefronts. But that's less common now and I think that's because real estate is is a little bit more valuable now than it used to be. And it's not so easy to afford those kinds of spaces but that's just give you an idea where you can meet but a lot of us do meet in churches in the UNITARIAN. Universalist churches are good options If you know of any other ideas you know call in and talk about that and and how to run the meeting The secular a website used to have These meetings formats from different groups That you could follow I've got some and I will upload those unabomb belief because I don't think that they're on the secular he website right now but basically our group keeps it very simple so we just opened up with reading the AA preamble. We don't have a moment of silence or anything like that. We just opened up with reading the ample. We don't read any steps anything. We just read the preamble then we welcome everybody and then we introduce the topic most of our meetings our topic meetings and now days. What we do is the the person who's chairing the meeting? Introduces a topic. They might talk doc for five ten minutes. Whatever about whatever topic they are fine they want to discuss? And then we go around the room so we. That's mainly Ainley. What we have are those discussion meetings? And then we close the meeting just by thanking people for attending. And that's it. We don't do any kind of ceremony the money at all we don't do any recitation. Of anything we just say thanks meetings over and then we start talking and chatting the discussion meetings that we have our round robin style where one person speaks at a time. You Go in order and I like that because I'm bleeding. I'm actually an introvert. And if if I'm at one these popcorn style meetings I will never say anything but I know in other parts of the country the popcorn style where you raise your hand or you jump in there. That seems to be more more in fashion. So you could do it either either way. So those are discussion meetings. You can also have speaker meetings. I Love Speaker meetings. We had one going for a little while the problem that we ran into though is we didn't have enough speakers does on this probably less than one hundred of us and a lot of us. I'm haven't really been sober for that long and weren't comfortable speaking so we didn't really do well with our speaker meeting. We have a staff meeting which is interesting We you can use any kind of book you WanNa use for your meetings. We Use Alternative Literature There's there's plenty of secular literature that talks about the steps. And that's what we use our step meeting Our group doesn't make a big deal about the steps and I'll talk talk about that a little bit later but you can certainly have those types of meetings as well so talking about Out Books you don't necessarily have to have books at your meeting but there's you can have whatever book you want Don't believe the stuff that you can only only have conference approved literature. You can have any kind of book you want. And there's some good ones out there if you're just looking for like a daily reading to have to introduce a topic. One good book is beyond belief Agnostic Museums for twelve. Step Life By Jesse it's excellent. Excellent book he starts off with. Oh a quote from somebody famous than history and then he relates sat to recovery in some way through his own writing It's really really well done book. Another book that our group us for a while which is about ninety percent secular is a walk in dry places which is a Hazelton book and I like it. Because is the readings are Kinda short and concise. And like I say. Most of the readings are secular. No mention of spirituality God or any of that those that Do have mentioned of God or higher power. You can just leave that part out and it's completely secular so those that book has actually worked out pretty well for us or you can just avoid those ones altogether gather but that that's actually turned out to be a pretty good book for us Living Sober not real popular with my group to be honest with you but I hear at that a lot of secular groups like living sober. Because it's a very practical group is a book it's an a it's a world services publication It's secular So people do like it for that reason we actually when I group starting we had a living sober meeting where we had read from the book and talk about it but Believe the book really wasn't that popular amongst us so anyway the toll secular steps by bill w staying sober without God by Jeffrey. I'm on The proactive twelve steps. You might have heard of that. That's by Serge Pringle. It's actually a free pdf but you can't actually also by paperback on Amazon. But but it's really a good book. He takes a very practical approach to the steps. And what's so interesting about. It is not an alcoholic. He is a life coach and a therapist pissed and he found that the twelve steps are a great way to help people get unstuck so his approach is to is to use the steps as a way to get unstuck from whatever behavior. You're engaging in and it's really really really well done. He also has a youtube channel with a lot of good videos. The alternative twelve steps a secular guide. real a popular my co host. Angela and on our staff meetings talks about that book a lot. That's what she used. I've been told that whenever she goes to meetings usually usually has a book with her We're actually reading that now at our staff meeting in Kansas City. I like it. It's a good book it it does have kind of a spiritual approach But that's okay for some people and I. I'm not that spiritual myself but I can tolerate it. I and it's good to know the language. Anyway because some people relate to that kind on staff so it's a good book. It's got some good stuff in there. Oh Gosh a free thinker in alcoholics anonymous by John Lawrenson. That's the are free thinker group in Kansas City. Tickets name from that from that book they liked it so much. A secular sobriety by Dell K. That's a take. That's a secular interpretation of the Big Book Archer. Vox did the same thing with alcoholics anonymous universal edition He also wrote a book called the five keys where he the Kind of takes the principles of the twelve steps and puts them in these these five key categories which pretty good a book doc. I'm almost done a book. That was real popular with our group for a while. Was Mario Hornbacher's waiting nonbelievers higher power. She writes so well well and the book addresses the steps and a very kind of A. Oh a real gentle way and it's just it's just a joy to read and a lot of. It was just real popular at our group for a long time. We will be talking about but a lot Do Tell don't tell you can find those books on a agnostic. Astika does it. Just basically stories of atheists agnostics in AA. So there's a lot of literature out there go to go to the. Am Agnostic website to their literature. Page and you'll see it. You can just Google Agnostic literature. He want you'll find it. You go to Amazon. It's it's just it's easy to find lots of available now. I'm almost done and the last subject I want to talk about. I guess is what to do about the twelve steps. This is interesting You know our group like you said doesn't make a big deal about the twelve twelve steps when we first started the group. Jim and I thought that we are going to have our own version of the steps and post them. Make assign an IRA. I wrote up a version of the steps that that we both liked but ultimately we looked at each other and we said who are we to say what the step should bean for other people so what we did we just hung up the original twelve steps and we let people decide it for themselves. They want to interpret them and that's what people did and we would have people that would write their own steps. Bring him into the group and we created a little notebook binder under that where we would save them. So that's that's what we did but but we don't really make a big bills that we don't. We don't actually display them anymore and ironically or not ironically weekly. But what's funny about that is interesting about that is We used to hang that. We hung this steps up all the time and then we stopped we just we had different people leaving the meetings. They forgot forgot to do it. And then one day I put I put him up again and people were shocked. They hated it. They hated the God and and all the male oriented language so we don't display the steps to offensive so anyway So you do what you want There are groups. I think the beyond belief group in Toronto they actually we read a their version of the steps and I think they change him as time goes on. So you can do that if you want to. If your group wants to write their own steps you can absolutely do that. It could be a fun an exercise. But you're free to do whatever you want to what we do is we. Just don't make a big deal out of it. We do have a step meeting. And we do read alternative literature when we talk about the steps okay to close. I WanNa talk about something. I think that's I think very important if you're going to have an AA group be sure to register it with the General Service Office in New York and I'll post a link to the new new group form that you would fill out and you can email it to them but you should be moving for thirty days before you send the format because they wanna make sure that you. So you've been you're a going concern that you're not going to just stop meeting and they're going to list you as an AA group so make sure you're going concern for thirty days and then register what that will do you can be a group without registering but by registering. They're gonNA have you gonNA give you a group number. They're going to inform the area area that a new group is in the area. They're gonNA send you some information some pamphlets and they'll give you the service manual and it's just a good way to get you get. Your group plugged into the greater. Aa Community if you want to be in a group if you WANNA be part of alcoholics anonymous registering just trained with GSI is a good idea. Then you might want to get involved you know with the great great with service with an AA. Our group was in the beginning but less so now. But you know we we we are. We are very involved with each other. We have our business meetings on a quarterly basis and we have social gatherings within the group on a on a regular basis Some some of the members have gone out to other groups together and things like that. There was a time when there were few of us that were interested in in going to the district and representing our group as the General Service representative going to the area assembly. Doing things like that Being involved with the Intergroup or group I still help out by answering phones But those are just nice ways to get involved and I guess the benefit of doing that is zip. People are suspicious or You know not so sure about you. You Heathens meeting as a group by bye bye. Interacting with other members it Kinda normalizes the whole secular. A thing. That's kind of what happened. I think here in Kansas City. It's just seems it's so normal. Nobody really cares that. We don't pray at our meetings so getting involved with general services good idea going to state conventions and getting involved with the state conventions inventions and roundups having having functions with other groups. These are all great things that you can do by getting involved with the greater community and now potential problems that you could have. These are less likely and one problem that you might possibly have. But it's very unlikely anymore. Maybe your district or your Intergroup won't list you're meeting because they don't want a secular meeting kind of what they do in Denver Colorado right now if that happens. It's really not a big deal. What I would recommend that you do anyway? Is that you build your own website for your group and you add some key words in that website atheist. ps a free thinker agnostic. Aa could just be a one page sites tells the world. What time you meet where you meet and a little bit little blurb what about Your Book Your Group and the reason you want to do? That is the way that people find things now is obviously through Google They're not go to the website and search for an agnostic. Aa Group they're going to go to Google and they're going to search for agnostic groups in Baltimore Aaa for eighth and Tuscaloosa. You know and then if there is such a group in those cities Google will tell them so. You have to have a website for Google to find you and you and it's really easy and cheap to have a website. It's not. It's not anything difficult or complicated at all so look into doing that. Our Group did that. We have our own website. We agnostics AA DOT ORG and that has helped tremendously early on and probably still today. Most of the people who learn about our group learn about us from our own website. Okay so so if our district didn't list are meetings if our intergroup didn't list are meetings it wouldn't matter because most people find us from our own website anyway so just do that but more than likely. You're not going to have that problem. You just aren't going to have that problem if you do have it. It's probably not a big deal The best way I think to combat it is just be a good citizen and of a and do your service thing and be involved let people get to. No you see what happens from there the easier said than done I know but You know the only other options you can complain gs so but they're not gonNA do anything You can go to your area and maybe the Della get tell them about it. They might be willing to help out. But for the most part if you have idiots that don't WANNA lift. 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New: Kim Mitchell | Welcome To The Music

"I have been watching so many. Max Webster and Kim Mitchell videos. For more on this one than any other guest we've had really. Wise on. Just to remember all the music The funny thing is. I used to see. Okay. So there's the O. P. P. Hot wearing. Kim Mitchell. With like the. Beach t shirt and the shorts. And then there's the SPANDEX wearing. No Ball Cap. Kim Mitchell from Max Webster. And I used to see Max. Webster. albums. In the store. And in my head, go that looks a lot like Kim Mitchell. Can't be Mitchell because not persons dressed. So different. Than what I'm used to And so. It never I don't know what it dawned on me. But I never connected to it. So hence I never. went down any Max Webster. Rabbit holes. And then I'm listening literally the music this past weekend I go I know this is Q. One oh seven music yeah is like this is awesome. I said. This is unbelievable. And then he's to think why did I? Think that that was Mitchell. Every time I'd see the albums. I think in my head that can't be kimmage. The following podcast is brought to you by radical road brewery. The best craft beer in the heart of Leslie Dill Find Him at eleven seventy, seven Queen Street east. That's radical road brewery. Either I'm Kim Mitchell and welcome to the music. Let's begin. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Thanks. It's great to have you on your sir. I. Wanted to start off with a little bit of a story I don't know if there's a story growing up as a kid in Whitby. Yeah. I remember my earliest concert memory and I'll say earliest memory although it was a missed concert memory or or never happened. I remember I was always jealous of. The kids I think it was in seventy nine and you guys played Max Webster Iroquois Arena. In, Whitby and you know I think of a million vacations in battle scars and high class and like I think of how how big a how much it played a big part of my Pre teen and early teen years and I just wanted to I as a musician I just wanted to thank you to kick it off by thanking you for. Inspiring so many young kids just like think, Hey, I can do that too. So just wanted to thank you for that and kick off. Oh. That's that's a nice compliment. It's quite a quite humble England People come up to me and have a memory lake got My Drummer pointed a drummer. I've tech as you know, drummers we in our career as we go through drummers. Hold. The bar high, and then you all a bit higher you no. But the one driver. Was a great drummer actually and he said, you know it. What happens to you every time someone comes up to you and I know he goes everybody has a maximum story or Kim Mitchell story and I said you're right and I said it's it means so much to me to hear little stories like that that you were a small piece of someone the fabric, the musical fabric of someone's life. So thanks a lot for that. No. Thank you appreciate. As. I wanted to actually the first question I wanted to ask you is. A couple of years ago you had a little bit of a health scare. And I wanted to ask you how your health is these days. It's good. It's four years ago now. I think. So yeah, three or four years ago I'm doing. Okay. That's what doctors say so. I'm going to believe him for now. Never know. That was Yeah. You'd never know it was a it was a heart attack and it was a pretty major one even though it was just left edgier descending nicknamed the widowmaker because many people not many people get through it. So there was one funny moment though and then we can move on from in the funny moment was your your outside the operating room and there's a group of doctors and nurses in the ambulance attendants and. They're all. Yelling numbers and your status and all that stuff, and then they hold a piece of paper in front without clipboard and they go you sign to. Basically says we'll do we'll do anything. And signing I went just let me die as I'm signing it and from the background. The Guy, who's now my cardiologist in a very thick Scottish accent which I'm terrible at. Eagles. Well, that's the idea. Isn't it? I started to laugh off. Early disgusting pain let's see idea we're going to doorbuster. That's why you're here for right. That is crees. That's that's the weird thing that they do. I've had I've been seeing the opportunity by. A number of years ago I had liver surgery. Okay and they had to remove sixty percent of my liver out. and. I remember doing the same thing. I'm you're you're on the bed. And they put the clipboard. He's just say just sign here. In case we mess up your. Your Family Care Morris exactly and and if there's something more we need to do. This gives us. Yeah. We're going to do what we. Absolutely. Now are you familiar I'm great. Thank you so much Kirk, well, like you said the Doctor Sam. Okay. I remember going in maybe six months later or a year later. And my wife was with me and she asked The, apparently, liver grows back. So I think my wife had asked a question is delivered grown back. And the doctor said yeah, it should. It should go. And should fine. I'm glad. I'm glad everything worked out for you and and also a bladed happy birthday. I guess just thank you I cancelled it because a coded so I. Birthday, but you released an album. That's right. What's okay so so I am releasing him. Thirty nine for decades you. You look at. Thanks man. What's what prompted you to release avoid? You've released wishes great song by the way. Thank you very much well, being well received actually this week I got word that on all your diem ds, whatever those things are called categories on all the categories. It was number one this week on these ask. Why? Back. To the bottom of the barrel next week. We'll go. We'll go to Walmart waking up enjoy your moment. I you said this Kim you said this on a couple of interviews. About actually oh I, it's not just about wishes but you've said it in regards to other songs as well. That once you're done with it. You feel like going to the backyard and shooting in, and then that's it. Helped me understand the thought process? Okay. Okay. Okay. First of all buddy of Mine Ikuo writer that I work with and and we finished we finish the record and say, well, that's it. It's done it's mixed and mastered. Now what do you think we should do and he goes I guess we just take it back and shoot it because. Any we both laughed at it because you know that the thought process behind that as the journey for for myself and whoever I work with writing and recording is the writing and the recording of it once that's done. I have no control or anything it whether people like it whether anyone here it but there's I mean you can only hope that whoever he does here we'll like but you can't control any of that. So why why Lou Sleep? Why Fred about all that? For us the journey was making it and that was a beautiful experience even though. Many. Times writing records every Friday I quit the business for some reason I I he get writing and writing and the week goes on and things are going like this because that's what happens when you're writing and recording and then try to it's also exhausting. He says I have emails from you one of my co writers. I. Have emails from you almost every Friday you quit the business for three months. That's I'm done. Monday it's like, okay. So let's get. Let's get back to work here. So that's what but thought processes and when you talk about, you know Monday through Friday. How is that? Is that how you work say now because you probably have the luxury of working my way now verses in the early days I mean no I know for me it was you know midnight to six am sessions. So. Is that like is that I prefer to work now in your midnight to six am all. Is. That because of the prices studio time it was. Really, see my twenty. Well no no you make sense because during the day, it would be the beer companies in the car companies paying top dollar for studio time, and then you're right rock bands like. Yourself Max Webster Rush. Even they we all go in at midnight. And start recording till six in the morning Yeah for me. If there's a project on the go. It's Monday to Friday My producer Greg Wells when we went when I went to Los Angeles to record with him, he works from eleven till six. And he said. I eat I don't want you to stay. Holding engineer here and going on I just want to Work Atar salt goes 'cause you the pro you. He's done this for over twenty years and he's had a lot of success Grammy Award winning dude in any goes. The the project will end up being better. You'll. You'll make a better project, your mind beclere if we just worked out. In the evening you're in Los Angeles, you're in culver city go to your hotel. have eat at the restaurants, walk around whatever you WanNa do and he morning yeah. Clear. Your head and really matters because as musicians it's so easy to get caught up in that. How many times have you started at? you get out of bed okay. I'm GonNa get going yet. At Your Home Studio and then eleven o'clock at night. You're still in your underwear you haven't eaten and you know your your most your tastes like something crawled inside it died but I, I don't work like that anymore. Is that where that was going again. Just. Sort of keyed in when you said and sort of the Monday to Friday and. We've we've interviewed a number of people including. Familiar more coward, the engineer and like Mark Mark talked about the various. Work and and some were midnight to six and that was what they did because that's the way they work, and so it was interesting to hear you talk about the Monday to Fridays like yes. And, that's as I say, while the projects on the go. Having said that in writing mode I never force creativity you can't. Even if you're jingle musician Jingles, meaning commercials for your listeners if or a staff writer yeah. You sit there and you show up in. Your coffee that the keyboard no way you go. You start coming up with whatever you're supposed to come up with A. I've never been able to work that way. So that's why I kinda sucks I. Think I had. Two commercials placed wives is sort of some company took me on for Little Law and I was just like, wow. This terrible at this I did get a couple of place. Nice speaking you know you can't force creativity. With, you know essentially the I guess the city just coming out of a full lockdown has this has this moment in time and maybe especially The past I don't know month to six weeks with you know demonstrations regards to black lives, matter and such. Has this time period. Have you been writing? Have you been playing heavy been jotting down ideas? No there's two types you'd think. If you agree with me, there's the there there are those that are really motivated. And doing things, and then there are the unmotivated. People I. AM the ladder. I never been like that but I will explain why I mean literally I walk I walked through the House I have a good cousteau guitar just sitting over there and in the living room and all my life electric stuff downstairs I walk by and wave at it, and that's what I've been doing pretty much. The whole thing I picked them up very little and people that said man you must be doing a lot of race I. Know I'm just that guy will go. yeah I'M GONNA paint. I think it's time to paint this room and get the painting ago. I feel like A. Drug so But the reason is. Recorded a record. Before Kobe finished, it did three weeks of before covered. We didn't get the last date and this is the first time in my forty plus I've been able to drop my shoulders and step back from being. Can Mitchell and just being given an my dog webster's owner and Kimberly really average gardner and the really average cook and seeing some friends some safe friends and doing that sort of stuff. So music is kind Kinda Woo. Away, right now, even though I have a record yeah. What do you say you named your dog webster. No I did not name the dolphins. Is is dog by dog is named Webster. Rescue and went to see him and I went. So do we named the dog? They weren't no no his name's webster Oh really I was like really. An. Here's and so. It might. Dog Story you'll get which is with a dog Walker one day and the Dog Walker, like taking pictures of other dogs he goes here's Webster Getty. was. Like I said, did you say getting white? Yeah. Yeah. The dog's name Getty and she didn't even know who getty was she just. Female Dog Walker like Oh man and just. says. That that is that is find out. It's just odd. Yeah I love with things like that that. We we are known to take a really weird segues. On this podcast. So so we might as well. Take. Take Getty Webster. SEGUE. Okay and talk about battle scars. Okay. So let me just pull up because we we asked some of our listeners. If. They had any questions and so ochre. So we have ready Mathison and. Rainy actually he has a really cool thing. He does every Friday, the Friday rock debates. he's got a really cool project that he's been doing on on that on facebook people engaging in that. Yes. So he shared. Friday rock debate. Just he he. He's talked about branding, ed or release like doing something more with it. It's literally just posted on his facebook wall and like a very engaged group of friends and friends of friends all chime in. It's a great idea. Yeah. So he says, this is his comment question. I want to know everything about battle-scarred. And that was that was it, and then he starts you know writing down all the lyrics for the for the song. But May. Tell me about that I guess the collaboration. Sure. Yeah Yeah. It was we we were spending a lot of time opening up a rush all through the states we went to Europe with them in across Canada and a lot other bands. Everyone thinks that all we did was open for rush but we did spend a lot of time and we were playing that Max Webster playing battle-scarred in the set and we're noticing first of all Neil. mill pair would play are set every night that was his warm up his drums scrim. So as a black screen in front of his drums, no audience ever knew that we'd be on stage and his Mike's wouldn't be turned out. Obviously, we're in a big arena. Where you need to Mike's to hear the drums are drummers playing and behind us neal's playing are set with us, and that's how he would warm up every night. So that was a pretty cool thing. That's one of my. One of my beautiful memories of Neil that and of course, he asked that I would you guys mind if I, warm up to your set right now come on but after. A great to every nine, a book and He. Remembers. Fully if only, we could afford him. Anyway the ban getty and Alex. would stand on the side of the stage battle-scarred sounded so good with two drummers. And Neil New Olive Gary spills and then one night they just went. If you guys are ever going to record that, please let us know we'd love to join you and like I'm starting to pinch myself this. Guy's in rush WANNA record with LAS. It's like this is crazy. So we ended up doing that and we rented a studio There's a lot of technical crap that had to go down to have two bands all those all the inputs biker falls studio wasn't ready. It was numerous nine were actually Jack Bridges and workout. And we cut it man we. It sounded like a seven, forty seven taken off like they knew the song already like they have. They came ready We had a joke that there were fans outside the recording studio cutting ear off and putting it in an envelope slipping under the door. But. It sounded amazing. We had it the I take. We burnt through reels and realized I think we did maybe. For sure we did over ten takes. And and then we came we came in and listen in. Producer went you know it's going to be take one you guys are GonNa love it and we're like, yeah, that's amazing. Let's hear some more I. Think we got to take three and we're like, yeah, go to. First one, which is always the case not always the case but greg wells went producer. He's had some major hits. Apologize. One Republic he had to Keith urban number one singles lately Most of Katy Perry's records. He had a song on adults twenty one record. He did a twenty one pilots I record. He said every like the list goes on and he said you know that. Pretty. Well, every hit that I ever had first of all we never expected its second of all was the first or second. That's amazing. So watch it while you're burning the midnight land young musicians going for that sixteenth Guitar Soul Saal. The Passion is in the first the first one in the first one. But if if you're going to get right in studio, you might as well play do ten takes. That's right. Yeah, what we're enjoying drug each other's company. Yeah. After a while you know alcohol may have been involved to. Drink I think it will sell better. Yeah. Shouted Wave Pattern. So, there's there's another perfect segue because what I wanted to talk about I had the pleasure of opening in a bit with Andy Curran and carrying on the boys following a Soho sixty nine it would have been then and they ended cure in band and You know I know you work with them way back early in that like what was what was that like like I just I? Like I'm sure it was way different than when we were all older and more mature but. Oh. Well, you're talking about Coney Hatch I reckon with going sorry I didn't mean yet but point well, coney hatch. I'm not sure how I got to. Know them or see them. I. Remember being in a bar at one point and just loved I thought they were just like had everything that ACDC had just beautiful rift rock solid and it just the the the energy they're transmitting mean jumping around enter frantic energetic I. Mean that that planted relaxed planted by it was just there's something going on there that I loved. So I kept coming to see them and then you know tried alp about the eventually got a deal and said, will you record us and I said yes, sure you produce it it's great. To ask about that yeah. Good time. Steve He had the best guitar tone ever did catch him. He was just almost awesome. Drummer Andy had sort of that rock. Sensibility thing I hate that word but he had that just in he knew where the song should be was beautiful. And let's. Not. Forget Carl. Great Band. CONGRATS on the. Canadian songwriters hall of fame. Thank you. took me by surprise really really like you can as a musician, you can see gold and platinum records coming. 'cause people let you know your stuff selling and you can sometimes. Not Predict but you can sense that. Oh. They're Juno nominated for Juno Award. Maybe there's a chance that Mike did this I don't know that one. I didn't see coming at all somebody from from the organization. So can contact me in my neighborhood here she lived in my neighbor and she goes can meet you at such and such a pub for drinks I wanNA, talk to you about something. New. Think Oh. They're going to talk to you about royalties some kind of convention or you want to play at something. Inducted into the Canadian songwriters hall of fame and not just a song. We want him duck your whole body at work. I. Just allows I went silent. I just went silent in. You're talking about the same thing like Leonard Cohen's in million and joining she goes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like Okay Kim Mitchell the data know who? This guy is. Would would somebody like Neil Young cushy Kim? Whose Commission Mitchell? Extorted think like that. But then also I looked at her and. Started to live with you laugh and I said, well, it's a pretty dysfunctional bunch I should have Cheryl fit right in. because. That's. This little theory that really happy people those really positive people do not. I mean, can you can write happy songs? You can be a happy person Generally, you're a troubled person when when you start going deep into the songwriting thing. Though when you think about Joni Mitchell, she's she you know she said relationship troubles are heartbroken stepped on and ripped up and tore up and you know all those people like okay. Fit Right in but that's are fueled the songwriter fuel. So your first telephone call when this gets announced its for miles goodwin, of April line actually no, I'm sorry it was an email he has my email at. All it said was what's a guy gotta do? He should probably be going in there before I just I felt it back and said managed to get something before you just my life. It's interesting. You see that because I had jotted down in my notes you said, you said you know exactly that troubled souls. Rights, write songs. But a lot of a lot of the songs that I remember from the Summers of my child especially specifically summers you seem to have those those emphatic songs that are perfect in at the C. N. E. Grandstand. Playing them live outside by the lake that that's the sort of. Setting that that I remember Kim Mitchell music being played at. Thirteen e standard that with without venom with genesis? I don't remember with. Our. Ourself to but yeah I mean whether's it's a place like the or even what's that place at? Wonderland these to have concerts there are Canada's wonderland. Kings Music Theater, we were one of very few bands that had a platinum ticket award. There was an Maria. So somebody else had sold one hundred thousand seats over a few years. Also. What how do you get? How does a troubled soul right? Hardy songs. While they, I've always been the songs Rhody then They they. I'm not sure. Where that all starts? That's the most difficult question I get asked any an right right of you totally right to say we're how how does a troubled soul right party? Chins, well. Maybe there's other wacky stuff to there's there's beyond the moon's in Toronto tacos. There's there's there's odd Mash, Moon in Hawaii and there's all we are, which is a hurting made song in There's. Know. But there are those party tunes and that's because of the atmosphere. That I grew up in Canada. owed. Spend time at resorts I as a kid Grand Ben Beach Pavilions summertime. Woohoo in the winter. We're all sick with the flu. So so we're Kinda. I'm pretty much rolled up in the house, but but in the summer. So yeah, and grew up in. Alcohol on a boat and that kind of stuff. So I think that's where it comes from. and. I'm not going to say I'm a total troubled soul but yeah, I've had my I've had my. My stuff I've been through and I. Think the the stuff comes to me like the song wishes are on all of it actually I look at. All this stuff is floating around in the universe up there ended picks whoever to be the conduit to to bring it to life. And and You have to be open for that I'm just I just serve Asaf I'm just gonNA serve the Song I'll try to do my best to bring to life is kind of that's how I see it. I. Don't ever look like we'll it came up with this car and then I came up with that part and it's like, no that Song told me. No, let's not not right. Yeah. More like that more like that. Okay. Yeah that's it. You got it. Yeah I've I've I've read and heard Neil young talk about. His music in the same way. That that it comes to him and. And and the and the once it's written almost the same. So once it's written, it's written. And usually a songwriter hall of fame. So. There you go. Another another troubled soul kindred spirits. Yeah. Let's go back to Sarnia for Kim if if you don't midas. What's What's your inspiration? Who when was the first time you picked up a guitar was was mum dad play older brother like how did that begin okay? I'll do it that quick by my family was not very musical although my mom I learned later in life that she was in a group with her sister and her brother. Vocal group they're called to bees and honey. and so that's the only music I know of in Sarnia. Remember sitting on my father's lap at a very young age. I'M GONNA call it somewhere around five to seven years old. Sitting on his lap watching Elvis Presley on the Sullivan show after that. I was obsessed. With the guitar like all I kept saying I WANNA Guitar. I WanNa Guitar One Guitar said Tar and completely kind of withdrew from going outside playing tag and and kick the can and wanted to hang outside with friends. I go out once a law of course but. I said just sit in play to think and. Obviously, not playing it. You don't even know how tune guitar at that point you just it's just remember when I think back. It was rock and roll. The pulse rock and roll and Qatar. It wasn't the scream I don't remember. People screaming at all I don't I just remember hearing that. There's some kind of group going on. Guitar and the fact that he played it so low. I thought this. I mean, you don't know that back Kim I think that's where music rock and roll should be played. It's played down here at the CROTCH. It's not it's not played in here is played in here. It's played in other. Other music. It's like down here. It's like the hips way is not side to side site. Hips Abbott. You know and that's cool like there's there's two concepts. Rock and roll Elvis was like front. tobacco. mcardle. So it's it's sexy to me and they're both are valid. So that's where it started in. China. And then they said I completely. After that moment also went into the corner of the dining room where there's a little forty, five record player. and. Would Play Hound dog over and over, and then they started by the records and I play everything patsy Kline. And then. They said the first music that I really got interested in was motown. Loud because it because Sarnia was if you cross the border over the Port Huron Michigan Your Michigan your forty minutes from Detroit and so I was I was seriously influenced by Detroit, rock and roll bands like EMC five who I ended up opening up for. The I told that to little Steven one day and and he goes did you just say stop because did you say you open up for the MC Five K said Yeah. I think I was like. Six goes man he goes your credits went way up. Any moment. So yeah, it's a music just. kind of went along like that I think in my first band at twelve took some lessons at a brush cut. I was a nerd, my first band I played based on a six string guitar and then they bought me a base where like Ooh. I don't like this thing. It's like there's only four strings and it's really deep and So I went back to guitar and then at seven team. I packed up with a man named Zoom. We're playing original. Stockton said we're moving to Toronto you WANNA. Come. When you going they went next week so. I remember the high school principal going you know cam you have to start setting an example. You're in grade eleven now and We think you should cut your hair and I said that's awesome. I said, well, you don't have to worry about meeting 'cause I'm actually moving to Toronto next week he just Kinda turned around and basically walked away. You're done. You're done. You'll make Yeah trouble. To. Anything. That was a that was a one moment that I remember the in in Sarnia was might elementary school teacher because I great. I was playing with high school guys. So on Fridays, I'm playing in a band with high school dudes at high school dances. and. He he said, what are you gonNA where you? What are you gonNA take When you go to high school courses is because you know what he says. Your your sister really is is in high school and she's not doing that great and you're not half as smart as she is. He's that's all I you know. Others just kind of a shitty moment. Where you know. I'll always remember that and then them saying, oh, there's a reunion. Do you WANNA come to it and I was like no I don't want to. Go to that. But you can hear teachers. Teachers are supposed to build you up. Yeah. That's great. You're in music are you? Look at one of our students is going to play at central high school tonight, for a school dad's that's great. It's GonNa make. Sixty bucks you know. So, good on again. Entrepreneur Yeah. What did you parents think? Take enough to Torontonians Age There were heartbroken. You know you tell them at that moment and they're like. Oh. Moving to Toronto. They like Oh. That's nice. You're going to pursue music or you know after school everything back no no I'm leaving like next week and they were just. My mom started to cry and my dad got real concerned that in the end I left, my dad gave me, I, think he gave me like. Somebody between two hundred and four hundred dollars you're going to need this and and you know. I got their blessings as much as they could. Sure. Actually I can't let my son listen to this that you dropped out of high, school Kim so. Understand. Understand. I. Get it. Yeah. No. No there's something to be said about. In greater loving having enough of drive to this. This is what I WANNA do. Okay. So we're talking to. Dr. Probably, stupidity. Think about. Eleven what arrangement stemming team? Seven sixteen seventeen. Yeah. So you'RE MOVING TO TORONTO TO KING IN PARLIAMENT House. One hundred, fifty dollars a month. The whole band Rhody a girlfriend and next door three convicts it just got out of the Don jail. You know that's that's your neighbors aspect. Was Irving the doors you know you're eating your dinner a little kids. Try The doors bang swings open these three really need nasty guys are walking up the hall, Victorian House. We're like stopped. What's GONNA WE'RE GONNA DIE and. They're like we hear you guys gentlemen where your neighbors guys a jamming a lot more like. He wants to turn it down there. No. Not a fact, anybody gives you a hard time. You just tell us we really like what you're doing and. Crew. Ego Anderson. Proceeded to drink some aftershave and stuff like that because that's all we had to drink while we we didn't have any booth. He's sounds like that sounds like backstage Larry's hideaway back in the day. Yeah. Paid the dues in that place and I first strip out you don't so had the fridge out back of the house because the landlord when fix it so in the spring when it got to warm, the band had to break up, couldn't keep food. Warm. That's the truth. And that's what my show Dan Day started. When how old were you when you went to? Greece and in what what happened to go to Greece? What was that all about? Well, I just you just got me to the showband days in the first show Banos in was was A Greek. Male singer and And, a female singer. And it was the show man I didn't even know what a showdown was. Buddy called me when you on the road with a show what was the show in? What are you talking about? He goes well, we played bars and restaurants and it's Monday to Friday and it's one hundred, fifty bucks a week I'm like I'm down. Okay. So it's going to go back to school. And that was. The Greek singer. He did sort of Tom Jones thing not sort of it was a Tom Jones thing and. It was great. Don't realize man lots of fun. And said, my family's building a nightclub in Greece, on the Isle of Roads You GonNa come over and. Be The band like, yeah. Sure. So two of US went because they needed the Greek government said. Half Year over half your band. Thanks half your bank asked to be Greek. So we had three Greeks. And to boss. from Canada. And it was nice. Man Spent a year on a Greek island quit smoking or slid and clean it was like wow. It was so nice oh man. You know stayed stayed the wasn't done yet. The club wasn't done yet. The first month we stayed at Jill Age village of Apolinar. Some of the people hadn't even seen their own coast. And It's just so beautiful there. Man. Best. The release sweet time practiced every day. And we was always thinking. To go to come back to North America or to the big city or whatever. wanted to I was wanting to study guitar from a specific teacher. Even before I left and and so I love my time in Greece, and then what I, after about a year I went. I wanted to study from this guy because I've been practicing over in Greece and it's time to. Try Do this so. I got a hold of him. and. Made made the trucks to come back and that's when Meiktila cocaine into my life, who is a bass player Max Webster and he was a an American teaching. I think he's teaching in Windsor was. And we had just the worst Jan I flew employment. Okay. Yeah. Sure you I'll go to try I want to go to Toronto to let's let's give it a go. I'm rambling on guys. Okay. Okay so We Windsor and we had the most awkward weird jam I was like Oh, this is very strange but what's move because I need to take lessons started Dan he's in a really good business head on. So I was like. I, think we'll be able to get something going and we we. Went got outs in Toronto and got a couple more players and worked hard and jammed in the basement and it got better and wrote smartphones and played originals and covers and started working. Larry's hideaway in Piccadilly Tube and all these bars and trotto Canaria going out Oshawa Whitby. Next thing, Sudbury North Bay, and king stunning, and then from there go okay we're headed to. Winnipeg and. Kind, of thing. So Has Max Webster as Max. Where did the name come from? Bass player. Mike was in abandoned the state's called family at Max and they called Song for Webster and I just brought it up random. They said how about a name? Like Jeff Tall by nobody name nobody in the band is named that Alley Max. Webster. Daryl stuermer played with Him Daryl Stuermer Guitar player Phil Collins for decades. Yeah this is a fun time back through those very experimental. Very I was I was telling Greg So. Greg obviously was was was in a band back in the day. Myself I. Was Always A. CF Tr six, eighty listener back when they played played all the top forty stuff. So obviously and heard all all of your tunes as well as I'm sure. You know backs webster songs came on their if not Q. on seven for for for sure. But I remember telling Greg. That, you'd be going to the record bins. And you'd see a Max. Webster album. And you were somewhere on the cover. Of that. But I didn't it didn't click from me that it was you. It was someone that looked like Kim, Mitchell but he wasn't wearing a ball cap. And he was wearing. He's you know just weird outfits. Cz. Yes. Yes. From Thornhill Right. That's right. It's. My girlfriend who ended up being my wife your parents lived across the street from bully. Wonderful. So I thought I discovered that blatantly. Oh what's that across the street? Also Willie wonderful colleagues starting went over I started looking. This bizarre. against their buying some of it, wearing it. What was it was that just the seventies poking fun at Glam Rock sorta thing. No Man I was serious and sadly. Yeah. That's a pretty embarrassing part of of my whole career are album covers though. Yeah but I remember telling Greg I said I didn't click that that was that was Kim Mitchell. Get, called out all the time. That's Max lobster sitting over there. They didn't know my name. That's okay. The songs are Those obviously who done rabbit hole as we're as we're researching and Just flashback to all of those songs, I can't believe. That although like you're on. All. Of those songs from some. Back in my my childhood and. Similar to what Greg said in influencing him as a musician you know. Whether it's yourself or bands like. The tragically hip where that music has sort of wallpapered. At least for Greg, nine. Our Childhood in our summers for for so many years or even Dini right bananas by kind words but. For sure. Very Very. Tell me about the influence of Jim Chevallier. Jim Okay that's that's the first time I didn't ask us in a mini in my whole career actually Jim was a. Childhood friend Okay back in Sarnia Ontario musician and we played together early on pretty early on he was in the band that we moved to trial is actually him that said we're moving to draw and I found him we we read abandoned in all of a sudden. We're doing his songs he was writing songs. These. This stuff is like so good. It's like really love it. It's so creative I found him to be. A. Really Creative. person. and. Jim. I still think that about him. Except he never got out of Sarnia. It's not not. That sounds bad. He never chose to leave. Sonya. But that doesn't mean he's not a creative person. He's just I just thought if he came to Toronto and got a cool vibe he ran is recent man I think called almost floating and that's what the music it's like. You just start the plane just like well, this is just so trippy and beautiful. Wonderful. his songwriting is so unique still I was just a big influence on my guitar playing on. What I got to songwriting. I, thought, okay. You really need to claim your own piece of musical real estate Rather like follow a trend or it was like, no, you need something that yours so. That was his it was either like men nobody is like you nobody sounds like you nobody writes like you beautiful. You. You had a long. I guess partnership I don't I don't know whether you would call it a writing partnership. You had like a partnership with with. My saying that name. Probably. A how how did? How did that begin because? I heard you guys be sitting in a van, hang you and you piece of paper and those patio lanterns. Yeah. He always carrying pieces of paper. You always writing stuff down on either match the Road Gopher Soda on on a Napkin at a party that we're leaving patio lanterns just on a piece of paper or dropping off in my van, and he just put it on the engine coverage said, this is something I want to get hit So he was always writing out high was another childhood friend from target. And he'd just sort of I. Think it's just SORTA help us with our gear once in a while. Hey, don't know carrier guitars out to the to the van just help us packet if. And then. Later on I got to know that He. kind of does a bit of writing. And then when I went to Greece, we we became friends but we never wrote anything. You just show me stuff. Everyone's always kind of disinterested because there was writing songs but I look at and go. Yeah. It's kind of weird stuff I thought he had a real unique thing with the English language jamming with it and it wasn't until I was in Greece I got a letter from it says, I'm GONNA traveling through Turkey I'm GONNA come visit you if that's okay. get back or call back and I said, yeah sure of. In. The town of roads and just toss the old town and that's when he he came over and we wrote our first tune there. So, that's kind of a long standing relationship that we began writing with Baxter. Who was a pretty pretty unique addition to the whole vibe? not many people. Right like him and I'll tell you what would set our music and lyrics apart from everyone else is that. He was never a storyteller using images. He painted pitchers everything was every line was like, oh, that creates a pitcher in your mind. It's not like well one day we were doing this and then happened you know a lot of sort of like the bidding meal what country is. A lot of stories storytelling and that's that's a valid form of of. songwriting but he was something like, would you never released telling a story? Here's no-now images I like wow, this is great. You're. The song let go the line. About. The keyboard player. Terry Watkinson. Yeah he will. With with Max Webster. You guys had the tier. So play on that. was that. Was not the FL one of the first times. That that a rock band. has included that or was that something? You guys? You know maybe saw the Beatles do something similar and said, let's let's let's have our own sort of it has been done many times. It was the first time we did it as a producer John Dot back who? Thought it would be a nice addition. We use them somewhere else too but we did use them on that and that was a cool experience seeing the charts and watching that whole trip go down the funny part for me was that whole session was they ran it through once and then. Apparently at certain time, they take a union break. So we're about ready to push me. We're ready to push record and everybody went like this. They didn't even say anything just walked away. They're gonNA put her chairs, put their head bugs outside had smokes and talk the way. I look I'd never seen it as we went. We'll what is just happened. Control. What what? Where are we going to do it take like? Anyway, no, it's Union break their union musicians union break. We'll be back in twenty minutes. I'm like Oh. Okay. College. Smart you know yeah, same. They came back killed it. One take. That was it. How do you get that Gig? We get these this twenty minute break. We'll be here at four in the morning you know fixing what you guys that don't not the case but. It was great. They were great. How do you? How. Did you and Peter Meet Have Peter for debts Okay. That was my solo career and I was recording and I'm a little hazy on. Why this other musician from Ottawa I'm I don't know whether he might have been in the band at some point. His name is called Butler and he was are bad for a short period of time but I thought he was in after Peter. But I said to Paul, who is the provider is that you know somebody who could Play Bass or play guitar and I'm kind of looking for somebody who can sing to say bit it was. Yeah. Yeah. He says I know about Peter for that. So we brought Peter Down and He played I think we had a bass player at the time so he played guitar. and. But he said he he plays. Bass. He says I'll play I'll play whatever you want me to play. So replay data and then I got. Started here saying it was just like A voice ridiculous and and yeah I I had already written. All we are was already done and it was on the shelf shelf that because like I can I'll I'll I'll get a female to sing this part because because I can't sing it. You know if everyone day I, record it and then I heard him sing. That song started roll through my head and I wonder if Peter could same this and. I said is your range up around all he. Did a little bit of that stuff. Well, it's okay. So I'm GONNA YELL IN USING Your in the bed. If you have a van you're in the band. Yeah. He's got a beautiful voice. Does just a beautiful voice. I can't tell you the number of times throughout the decades after he'd sing that song when we were doing really well, we'd finish some big show somewhere across you know wherever we were there'd be a knock on the dressing room door after to be like three four beautiful ladies and I'd be open up the door. Hi how you doing with highs. Peter. Here we meet them. Awesome. I want to switch gears just a bit for a couple of different topics. If you don't mind one is my son, my son Bryant who's in his mid twenties. Comment on facebook was you know how? How, how much he loved the fact that you will one of your songs had become a I. Don't know mean by like a a catchline trailer, Park Boys, and Um with the the the the. Let's get drunk. Let's smoke. House you you rock you rock the pissing. I'll rock a rock the Mitchell. And and and. Yeah and and I know you did some work I think he did. At least one episode with kids in the hall and you are. On on one of my favorite short lived Canadian series, twitch city Don mckellar, which city was was was that an obvious another trailer park boys because I was part of their skit. But like was acting ever part of her was a fun thing. You're doing it like that. No, it was. It was disappointing. My management can be involved in sin and they'd ask me go do you try this and they're like, okay sure. There was never really any moment in my career I thought I'd like to act. You know especially after seeing someone like cheesy eighties videos, I just went well. I like to stay away from a camera I just really big a chart here. Yeah. Always spy I'm going to say it was a fun experience doing it stop at the I found the odd thing about all that stuff is the hurry up and wait factor. Of of television of all that. The one that kind of blew me away was they use go for. So I think it was go for Soda on Miami Vice and I didn't know that was going to happen was watching Miami. Vice One night. Good Foot did I listened to my hearing this right those kind of neat and also next one was Joe Walsh. Calling my house on Lake. Out what happened. Well. You're sitting around watching TV with your wife and the phone rings and. To set this up I was. Going to record my want rockland album rocklin wonderland out. Yeah and the record label. Said you know Joe Walsh is producing us to reach out to him. And like, yeah sure. Then you forget about it right like soon. The. Phone rings on night and my wife goes there's a really weird guy on the phone right now is. Called himself Joe says he wants to talk to you I'm Joe who like I'd forgotten. She was I don't know he's really weird though is like it sounds really weird. So I said ask him what his last name is joke because it's Joe Walsh on it. So you don't at all, he said it was like all right is show. You WanNa make a record I'm. Sure he goes. Record and he hung up. says. and. It was all arranged I flew to Memphis, put me on the peabody hotel but this is the wacky thing. Joel's picks me up at the Memphis airport. He's standing there with a buddy or like, hey, this. And we walk out to the car and it's a yellow Volkswagen beetle with the cars. With guitars in the back his buddies, cars, not even Joe's so Joe's in the passenger side dudes driving and I'm in the center. While the dude because that's the only place to sit have you ever tried to sit in the middle of the also ideal guitars in the back of my. What is happening here? So it was kind of surreal. Joel. All Story and then. We did our thing at the studio he was having trouble hidden. Girlfriend? And he kept leaving the studio 'cause I had a keep getting on the phone with her and finally just you know man, I'm just going to grab the next plane 'cause you seem really distracted. Thanks for your time and everything everything he said though when when he was listening to the demos was like, wow, that's just great that. He had that thing. And then. The last part of this story and I'm really sorry I've been rambling on tonight and. He says Iran we opened up for. In a western Canada and I walked up to him at the catering table he's Kinda. Geared, sitting, picking a piece of cheese. Excuse me man I said. My Name's Ken I said You I. came to see you. In Memphis, you are going to record my rockland album and I came to your studio you picnic airport a hanging Blah I said a And he's Looking at me and said I do remember that only goes no. Sorry. I thought you were going to ask him about why why did you have a yellow? What happens to your vehicle? Right, now you decide no, but then he was really sweet sorry man crazy times and then he goes. How're you doing? Anyway, I said it's okay. We don't need to do small talk and. I. WanNa ask you. One more thing if you don't mind is just around your time at Cubano seven and. I I think of yourself and like Randy Bachman with with vinyl tap, and I think, of Wade, macneil from Alexis on fire on the edge and. For me maybe former musician myself but you know I really I really appreciate the the. The perspective right. The perspective that you bring that you brought during a time Aquino seven saw A. That's very nice you to say I no way to near. We're just around hall from Each Other and. Would come in once in a while we'd have a little Chitchat Does a completely different animal and it's it was new for me. I had no training and I think there might have been a little animosity is hallway from other announcers. They're they're the ones next in line or in the company course through. For about what is this guy getting the second largest shift on this radio major radio station as no training and as a matter of fact, we listened to him and he sucks because I did I suck for the first year because you do your, you start something new you're terrible at it but I worked really hard at it and I've said this a few times, pugh times of people that. Would about a year worked really hard and my boss was great and I felt like things were starting to click a little bit and it wasn't until another announcer in Toronto competing stations through. SCHOO- Jeffrey's. And I got a letter from him and he goes because he had interviewed me he goes man. I've been listening to you and I can tell you been working really hard over the year. He said You I can tell you respect the craft and you're really turning into something and bringing something to the city. So so keep whatever you're doing keep working hard at it because it's starting to work really well. That gave me so much confidence To Take Care of that so you did and you did for sure. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. So. One of the last things I'd like to ask before before we wrap it up is one more. Sorry Oh yeah. One Mark Journal. So I, just I need to tell one story or any to bring up a listener. Wanted. Wanted to say thank you. So our listeners names mark. Car WanNA. Back, in the day, he used to work on Russia's guitars. After they'd finished tour, he'd work at a I don't know the name of the place, but he'd worked in a guitar shop in Toronto and life leading their guitars and he'd you know his streak them up yeah to them up to damage control up yet. So this is this is his comment thirty years ago his car broke down on the highway. He hops a fence knocks on a warehouse door. To use the phone. You Open the door Kim. He almost faints. He leads you into the House. To use the phone. and. You let him stay to Lissette so that he could listen to you guys rehearse. and. He just wanted mark just wanted to say thank you for the best surprise he's ever had and. He's a teacher here in Toronto. At Earl Haig teaches science own a while. We later all Hag Max Webster. Remember I've ever playing her oh Haggadah. Thanks mark. That's very nice. Mark. And he's he's collected. He has been on television recently because of his old. Record player collection, and I'm trying to remember the name of what record players used to be called like to record. It'd be a those. Yeah. so He's got a huge collection of these in this house. So he is a fan for shorter. Yeah. Telling me that. Yeah. That's Great. Someone knocks on the door we wants to use A. Were you say, go away. I'd come on you want hotdog. Canadian boy. A hotdog. Blasted here. Let us know you figure this song sucks. Take it back take it in the back of Kim and shooter. Sure. Yes we shoot this song. added. Mark. 's Okay. All right. So back to the question, I was GONNA ask us. What's in your ear buds lately what are you listening to music positive absolutely. Love to hear that from our guests jerk. Usually, the whistling in my ears, I don't listen to a lot of stuff but Well, I shouldn't say that I do I'm going to say off the top doyle bramhall the second right now. people might go, who's he I in the eighty of the band called angels'. And I've seen him play a few times and he's probably one of my favorite guitar players and songwriters and singer would. He dated I think he dated Sheryl, Crowe as always I. Don't know he's got a Mo Jo. I'm not even sure why brought that up but. He was sort of say he's really well well liked it really well known using show across band and actually he toured with Eric Clapton as well. And also Roger Waters he saying you know. There's no pain you are received drivers lined. His boys is ridiculous information. So I listened to his stuff lately another Guy Aj gant is a slide player Little bit of Anna. Netrebko who is a? Russian opera singer she She reminds me of how. SORTA like. There's there's opera and then there's sort of the. when someone walks out on the stage and there's just like something else amazing going on and I went to see at the York and she's mind-blowing too many people kind of Fritos like what you like opera wealth not especially. But I love her her talent. FREAKS She's way above and beyond so much. So. That's kind of a couple of listening to over the past couple of days. That is awesome. So the album is that big fantasizes there were. A big fantasize. Yeah. Yeah. When when is that? When can we expect that to be released? September October November somewhere near there's no manual areas we were able to pandemic kind of like well, scratch everybody's scratching their heads going well, what do you think let's put wishes and wishes done really well okay down what well we don't know yet. So. I figured out but thank you for your time. I really appreciate the. Thank you so much. We really appreciate it and dial looking forward to to the new album. Thanks again. Frontier Kim. A. Thank you, guys. Stay healthy. Yes they say. Thanks man.

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Desmond Cole on racism in Canada

The Current

26:04 min | 9 months ago

Desmond Cole on racism in Canada

"Love CBC podcasts. Help us make them. Better take our. CBC podcast Listener Survey now at CBC DOT CA slash. Josh podcasts. The quick survey will help us improve your favorite CBC PODCASTS CBC DOT CA slash podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hi Matt Galloway. This is a podcast. From the February revelry sixth edition of the current corruption complete an utter corruption and an insult upon injury already to define Taylor and by extension to black people in this region that is journalist and writer Desmond Cole outside Toronto Police headquarters in two thousand seventeen. The focus of his Anger Toronto Police and the Mayor of Toronto John Tory they are demonstrating that the value decorum more than they value our lives so to hell l. with them. All anger ran high around the case of default. Tim Miller on December night in two thousand sixteen then nineteen year old was involved in an altercation with an off-duty police officer officer and his brother. When police arrived on the scene in Whitby Ontario they discovered Fontana Miller badly injured? The officer and his brother went on trial last year. The verdict is expected in April. Both men have pleaded not guilty to aggravated assault. That case is just one of several incidents of violence involving police sanitariums black community profiled and Desmond. Kohl's new book. It's called the skin we're in a year of black resistance and Power Does McColl a former columnist for the Toronto Star. He's written for the Walrus. OREST and Toronto. Life doesn't call joins me now desmond. Good Morning Good Morning. Matt what do we know about what happened. That night between Devante Miller and and those two brothers we know that define tae and two of his friends were walking on a suburban street in with the Ontario late at night. We know that they had some kind of a confrontation with two men who we now know to be. Michael Christian -Tario Michael at the time an off-duty police officer and we know that there was a physical altercation between these brothers and Devante which caused him numerous injuries including the loss of his left eye and The charge aggravated assault against these two officers. Alleges that they did it That's what the trial is supposed to prove. Devante says they he did. He says that they picked up metal pipe at some point or came at him with one at that was what caused the horrible injury to his. I Michael -Tario and Christian -Tario say that they were defending themselves from devante Miller on the night of the incident. Why don't you believe their story for so many reasons? You don't chase someone over one hundred meters down the street at night to defend yourself if you chase somebody and then they end up with the injuries that devante did. I don't look at that a self defense. What's more though there allegation against as that you stealing change from their car so I personally rejecting this idea that a black life is so cheap that if you truly thought that somebody was stealing change from from your car you would chase them and beat them in such a horrible horrible way and you know I also have issue? With the fact that the Durham police came onto the scene found Fontaine underneath one of these men bleeding so badly asking for help and they laid five criminal charges charges on Miller those charges were ultimately dropped by the crown. The Durham police came onto the scene of that crime. Knowing that they were dealing with the police officer that was documented through nine. One one calls else and in my opinion that's why Devante was having those charges laid against him. That's why he was treated as the assailant. When in fact I believe he was the victim? The we contacted the Toronto Police Service And they told us in a statement. This is a quotation as the case is currently before the court. It would be inappropriate for us to comment. Before decision in is rendered by the judge the Durham regional. Police Service told US and again. This is a quotation. This is an active case with the office of the Independent Police Review Director. We are not in a position and to answer any questions. What does this story? And it's one story that yearbook. What is the story? Tell you about what it's like to be black in this country in twenty between it tells me that having a black chief of police having some black police officers is supposed to make us forget about the everyday violence of policing and that the police will go to any length to protect a man even when it appears that he has done. What Michael -Tario in my opinion did to Devante Miller like again he faces charges? I mean th this fun to face charges because define tastes family. Got A lawyer and that lawyer contacted the SL you. Why weren't the people who came on that scene disgusted at the condition that they found devante in? Why did they handcuffed him? How does what happened with Devante Miller and some of the other cases that you outlined in this book compare to incidents of the use of deadly force or a significant force by police in the United States? The difference is that we actually do substantiate media. Work an investigation enquiry. Or even just airing airing let me say of cases in the United States. Define Tate's story got a lot of attention the first week that we found out about it in July of twenty any seventeen The attention went away after that though. Maheshwari Ado in Winnipeg pukekohe along in Montreal who I also spoke about in my book. Camman Abdi in Ottawa. Who there's a chapter about in this book? Do Canadians even know these names. But they can tell you. Eric Garner Mike Brown Tamir Rice. They can tell you who trayvon Martin is suggesting that what's happening here. is as bad as what's happening in the United States. It's not even a worthwhile comparison than for me. To say is as bad or is that is what we do in this country. That's not the question the question is are we better or worse. The question is what is it like to live. There's a black person and when it comes to policing it is hell and it is almost impossible to hold even one police officer to account so yes Michael. -TARIO is on trial. Yes Daniel Muncie on is on trial right now in the killing of the Abbey in Ottawa. James Forsillo shot. Sammy Team Eight Times on a streetcar and he's already paroled. You know to get justice for one cop who takes a life in this country tree is almost impossible. It's when you're living in that kind of a condition where the society will fight so hard to justify killing you getting basic needs met in life getting basic opportunity. Where do we go matt when? That's the struggle that we're starting from. You have talked about how you wanted to confronts then these words Canada's magical thinking when it comes to race what do you mean by that. The magical thinking is that race doesn't operate in Canada. Yeah it's it's not holding anyone back it's not dividing people in terms of the way that their government services operate. I mean these things are false on their face. Of course I mean Justin Trudeau has been Ordered how many times now. By the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to equalize child welfare funding for first nations kids on reserve. We just know as a fact that all kinds of services for indigenous peoples in this country country are funded at a lower rate the danger of saying that things like the Indian act or the ongoing genocide of indigenous peoples is not real or that black people are just I try to emulate what we see in the United States but we don't really have a struggle here. The danger of that is that there is no real motivation shen than the challenge white supremacy in this country. There's no even need to name it. And that's what was such a privilege of being able to write. This book was was to take one year of journalism in the twenty seventeen and to say I am not going to present this as if I don't know racism operates in my country. I assume that it does. I lived that experience so black people across this country. So let's have a book that gets passed the phony if you want in my opinion the phony questioning and just says this exists. How does it look? How does it feel? How does it sound? That lived. Experience is something that people might have read about in a piece that you wrote in Toronto Life Magazine and you talked about your your experience with karting. Being stopped by police being asked for identification the piece got a lot of attention. He has the effect of that piece in that magazine. In at that time I think it was a big deal because as I say in the book I think a lot of people were surprised to see a black person on the cover of Toronto life and not only on the cover but talking on the cover about police brutality and police surveillance that story got a lot of attention around carting people addressed at the. The mayor ended up in a matter of Toronto. Ended up speaking about it in a way that perhaps he hadn't before that piece came out. What's the state of of carting across the country right now? Well that's a great question. Shen the state of carting today in a place like Halifax is such that. The Halifax Police Department issued a formal apology for carting. Two months ago but continued the practice all the time and as evidence of that a woman just a couple of weeks ago named Santana Rayo was shopping Walmart when she was approached by staff of the store a security guard and a police officer. She was accused of stealing. She was accused of stealing items. That were in her stroller because she has a fifteen month old and a three year old and was putting them in the bottom of the stroll. She put them in the bottom of the stroller. In fact she tried to pay for them in another cashier. WHO said I don't have have a scale? I can't wait. You're grapefruit your your lettuce. She had a grapefruit a lettuce and to lemons for a grapefruit. A lesson to lemons five people approached this woman with her children and a police officer and his other police colleagues ended up jumping on top of her centenario. Suffered a concussion. Centenario Rayo suffered a broken wrist and now she has criminal charges against her. Just like I was saying before. This is a very common police tactic but an important part of that story for me is that Winston Tina radio said. I'm not stealing anything. Look in my stroller. Look in my purse. The police said. Where's your identification? This is the practice that they just told us is that they were apologizing. Practice of the practice of carting the practice of being black people who aren't doing anything in the city of Toronto When Mark Saunders was named the chief of have police there was a lot of attention paid to the fact that he would be the first black chief of police in this large police force? And that was heralded. As a breakthrough. Wasn't I don't know who it was a breakthrough four besides mark. Saunders and I remember. Actually that he himself downplayed at at the time he had this joke about. How being black didn't give him superpowers and the media? Laugh I remember the gallery of the day. He said that people really lapped up that comment. But no one was asking Mark Saunders to have superpowers powers in fact. I don't really think the public is asking mark. Saunders anything because we don't choose the chief of police in the city of Toronto or in any city the politicians do you. Has it mattered. Though if if there's a black man black person at the head of the police force doesn't matter to you. Does it make a change. It doesn't make the change in terms of how black people are policed the the police system that Mark Saunders overseas cannot be reformed it has to be dismantled and he wasn't put at the head of that organization to reform it. What what does that mean dismantled? It means that we actually need to conceive a new way of keeping people safe life that does not involve spending in this city a billion dollars to have thousands of armed men running through the street meeting out what they believe the justice. Let's be realistic. There's going to be an abolition of police. Why not most people would say that that would lead to anarchy the police forces have existed and continued to exist places around the world? That's that's a stretch too far but they don't think that the violence that black people buffet every day is going too far. Is that fair to say I mean I would imagine. There are a lot of white people who are listening to this conversation. Who would be greatly funded by you saying who would say that? They have great empathy for the situation that you might find yourself in that others find themselves. I can't live on people's Empathy Matt and neither can any other black person. I think that the individualization visualization of this conversation which is a systemic conversation gets us very. It doesn't get us far or at all. I am not talking to individuals when I say white people the government has a census. The government wants to ask if you're white right so I can talk about it to. This is a legal categorization in this country. This is a social categorization in this country. This is a categorization nation that determines that if you are white you will on average make more money than everybody else in this country get a better opportunity education than everybody else. And you don't deserve of that for being white but the country gives it to you because the country such as it is today is a white country with a white colonial understanding of WHO's is in charge what the rules are and the idea that the indigenous peoples who were here for hundreds of years thousands of years. Excuse me are now under an Indian act like that's the system that people are asking me to have faith in there asking me to have faith in a police system that kills black and indigenous people never hold itself to account and and then we're going to have one or two individuals who are black or indigenous come in and reform these things if people don't like racism why don't they join in the the fight to destroy racism. It's not about a personal offense to the person listening saying well. I am of this skin color. I'm trying my best if you hate racism fight to destroy destroy racism period you're born in Alberta. Yeah and you read in the book of growing up in red deer and you say that as a child is yours as a child in red deer you had no oh conscious understanding of racism. What do you remember about that time? really simple things like the sky in the prairies he's the big big sky and the sunshine because the sunshine happens a lot more on the periods than it does out here I remember these huge mounds of snow that my sister and I would play it and one time sticking my boot into snow and pulling my boot out no boot Oh sock just my barefoot in the snow and crying after that and you had no you had no idea or no understanding of of racism at the time no the counters with racism I lived in Alberta until I was five and all I understood was like little things that like. My parents spoke doc a language to each other. I didn't hear other people speaking. I understood that the language was created. My parents are from Sierra Leone. And we're CREO but I didn't know what racial difference meant and for most of my upbringing in this country. I downplayed racial difference too. I said it doesn't matter. This candidate Everybody has an equal opportunity. And then I grew up. Tell me about the role of the skin colored Crayon in your racial consciousness establishing serve who you are okay. So I was in grade one and We're all coloring and almost every other student in my grade. One classes class's weight and people are sharing all the pencil crayons. And then somebody asks somebody else for the skin color pencil crown and I'll just like like my mind exploded. Nobody else seemed to think that this was a weird thing to ask for and it was one of the first times times in my life I was about six years old that I can remember feeling like suddenly so small. I can't say anything about this because my friends will laugh or they'll say say something and I had a lot more experiences like that over the years growing up in Oshawa which is a mostly white place you write that you came to resent your blackness. Yeah I didn't want to be different when your parents tell you. You gotta be twice as good as a black person desmond you resent. I resented did that. I didn't want to hear that I just wanted to fit in love. CBC podcasts help us make them better take our CBC AC podcast Listener Survey now at CBC DOT CA slash podcasts. The quick survey will help us improve your favourite CBC PODCASTS CBC DOT CA slash podcasts. School is a huge part of this amendment part of that's about the Crayon but also what happens uh in school. How would you describe that the way that school boards in Ontario interact with with black juror? I think that school boards in this province. See Black Doc. Students as a problem to be solved the level of discipline against black students in Ontario schools is it's really really completely unacceptable and so high and so frequent. I tell a couple of stories in the book one about a six year old girl who was handcuffed handcuffed. Inner School in Mississauga. A six year old black student who is just having a bad day and needed some care and support and instead the school called the police on her. You know we live in a country Matt. Where a lot of us hear stories like that and we know it's a black student immediately? Because of the pattern of these kinds of behavior black students suspended three times. Two one two white students black kids put into lower streaming so that they can't qualify to go to university are told that they don't belong in university. Black kids put into English as a second language language when they're born in Toronto and other or another part of Ontario because their parents weren't these are patterns that we see across the Education System Charlotte District School Board Sent us a statement with some numbers on this. The black students account for something like eleven percent of the student population in two thousand seventeen represented approximately a third of suspensions or expulsions politicians. This represents and this is a quotation a small closing the gap that has traditionally existed with regards to the rate that black students are suspended relative to others that they talk about Improved understanding systemic racism through professional learning among staff efforts to focus on cooperative ways of resolving conflict removing barriers that has has led to positive change for students do the boards. Are they putting in the work to try. And close those gaps. So they're putting in the work to try and address those issues. It's not a gap. It's not a fifty year plan at at the rate. They're going if they want us to believe that it would change every year. We would need thirty forty fifty years as they closed the gap. It's not a gap. This is again. Dan were a philosophy of abolition. Is the only philosophy that I'm interested and again. What does that mean it means? What does that mean when it comes to school it means stop suspending your students? You didn't stop expelling your students Matt. The Gun. Violence issues in the city of Toronto. Have Been One of the number one stories in the city for the past two years. Here's why does no one make the connection to poverty in the city of Toronto and to the expulsion of black students which further alienates them. We've heard so many times. The impact of not giving kids a place at school where they feel welcome or they feel like they haven't environment to learn. We push kids the education system and we have this huge epidemic of violence and antisocial behavior. Pushing kids out of education. The the suspensions or expulsions is that not a necessary tool in a a classroom if things are disruptive if you want the outcomes and this is where we always get too so if people are accepting that the price ice of kicking black students out of school will be that we won't really have the same ability to influence and care for them but then we have a good police force that we can spend spend billions like at. What point does this stop? What's the answer then to the teacher? Orange Administrator who has a child in school where it's not. The situation is untenable if they look at expulsion or suspension as the tool that they're going to deploy and you're GonNa take that tool away. What's the answer for this team? I just don't think like it's not a doomsday clock. Like a bombs not about to go off in the classroom. If we keep misbehaving student there we have to stop doing this. And especially in the context of black people like we have to stop saying that. If aren't aren't there aren't police. That black people will run amok in the city. We have to stop saying that unless we suspend kids the black people ruined the education for everybody else and Matt. We never never explicitly say that. These tools are all for black people but every prison in Canada every social welfare agency in Canada is dealing doing more and more with black people. Black women are the highest growing population in the federal prison system in Canada. This is not my idea of diversity. This is my idea of anti black black racism and just asking for remedies that slightly reduce the amount of violence and suffering. That's not good enough for our country. You write in the book of it. Some of the criticism that you face for your work One of it is just people will say to you that you make everything about race. How do you? How do you respond to that? Everything is about race everything is about race. How come Meghan Markle and Prince? Harry very can come live in Canada if they don't feel like living in the UK anymore. How come because the same family? The tried to conquer the entire fire world is still sitting on top of everything and they can get over here to Canada and our families who don't have money who don't have status Who aren't white princes and kings? We can reunite with our families in this country. You've used the phrase black liberation a few times. What does that mean to black liberation ration- for me means that All of these obstacles that are in our paths as black people every day wouldn't exist assed it means that the the physical and metaphorical chains that white supremacy has made for us. We'll finally be smashed what little crumbs. We are being offered as black people. These little reforms in the face of so much violence they are not good enough for for me and I don't know how to liberate myself and my community unless I truly ask for what I want. That overhaul is possible if we can if we can dream all of all these other things and all of these other worlds or if we can realize that the world that we're living in right now is just one possibility. We can imagine another thing and we can can try to get there. There's a lot of hard reading this book. I think for people and hard listening in the conversation things that that people will find difficult to hear. They might take offence to do. They might be pushed back by. They could say that what you're saying is radical for. What does that word? How does that word strike you? That's fine I mean. Do you need radical thinking to address what you're talking about. We human beings need radical thinking right. Of course I do think that we need radical thinking and and and I think that that thinking king like I said before really involves not what individuals are thinking or doing or what individuals intentions are Matt. If somebody comes into your office every day and works with you and everyday they walk by his step on your foot and then they say oh shoot man. I didn't see there. I'm so sorry after a week whether this person's being real that they saw you they're not all the toes on your feet are broken mile. An all I'm saying is that black. People are tired of being stepped on and Housing Labor prison education antisocial indicator in this country. We're getting stomped on. Just finally where do you find hope. Where's where's optimism in in in the life of coal in the fight that the hope is literally in the fact that I am alive I also had a whole chapter devoted to taking time out to literally smell the flowers? I'm a very big lover of the nature of birds. You see posted on social media all the time picture of flour picture of a well. Yeah I need that too. I think we all do need that. Desperately we need beauty Sudi in our lives all the time every single one of us and I find hope and joy in the natural world and again if you WanNa talk about radical thinking the ice caps are melting and we can have a conversation there to about whose fault it is. What the intentions of people creating carbonaceous? But it's not gonNA stop the ice caps radical thinking in every sphere of human existence. Right now people can call me a radical. It's a compliment does winco thank you. Thank you Matt Coles. New Book is called the skin. We're in a year of black resistance in power. He was with me in our Toronto Studio for more C._B._C.. PODCASTS GO TO C._B._C.. Dot C._A. Slash podcasts.

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The Hand of Glory, Part Two: Recipes, Necropants and Toes

Ridiculous History

23:50 min | 5 d ago

The Hand of Glory, Part Two: Recipes, Necropants and Toes

"One what emergency Arkan issue it was. It was. Winter route one around the beer and drink. Drink it an sub is that what happened? In The train. Car. You can't judge speed an approaching train. That's why the signals they're stopped trains can't paid for by Nitsa. One. Emergency. Train into the car. Sir What is your location or look around for a street sign says eight and Orchard. Ethan. Very. Good Eighth Orchard Third Help is on the way to that would. Stop. You have to get there now at a railway crossing, even the engineer sees you and hits the brakes it can take a mile for the train to stop and for you that's too late stop trains can't paid for by Nitsa. Ridiculous Histories of production of I heart. Welcome back to the show ridiculous historians. Thank you as always for tuning in. We have had some helping hands with our research today. This is part two of our episode on the true story of the hand of glory. Let's get into it. So we're talking about. Of. Confusion in these recipes there is the word Zimrights and again I figured out nighter pretty quickly that was like a a sulfate situation or some kind of preservative but Zim at the question was, did it mean something called? Vertigo which is a green pigment or was it Arabian sulphate of Iron You know this is this guy would have not done well in like a recipe you. Know type book situation because these are all very vague and there's like not even any measurements like how would it? How would you get the proportions, wrong yeah. Little. Albert has talents but I think you would be very bad at a recipe writing contest also again, the name of the Book Has Little Albert just choosing to picture in my head a lovable diminutive, very creepy addams family guy Sleep. That's the only possibility here Ben. But that's the thing though a little Albert wasn't the only guy talking about this particular. Now tool of the trade there were all kinds of different sources that gave different advice in the Whitby Museum. North Yorkshire. You can see a genuine hand of glory on display there, and it's it's about like you'd think it's kind of a Korpi mummified looking thing leathery long fingers they've been burnt so that the pigments have. kind of like been leached out of the skin. So they look white around the tips and as is actually found in says to me like sort of like a witch house thatched cottage and it was thought to have come from the Jibbidy. How near the Yorkshire Village of Casta Leon interesting that it is in the name there I don't think that's I. think that's a coincidence or was there this place notorious for hanging criminals will. Six in one hand of glory half dozen in the other maybe. Agreed. So the thing about this exhibit is that it also contains a page from a book that was published in eighteen twenty three. And this book has a competing recipe for a hand of glory just like you know the the situation where you may use your search browser to find a recipe for. Eggs Benedict. And you're going to get different takes on the same thing. This recipe says of the hand of glory eat must be cut from the body of crimen along legitimate pickled in salt and the urine, of Man, woman horse dog and mayor smoked with Herbs Hey. For a month of fun I like this variation of. Very piece centric creation sure is Oh, what else do you need because it got some timing that comes into play here I obviously must be hung from an oak tree for three nights running late at a crossroads which I know you can appreciate and then hung on a church door for one night while the maker Keeps Watch in the porch got to have a porch on the Church two absolute must and if it be, that's no fear has driven you from the porch then the had to be true one and it be olds. So Dr, the porch is really poured centric this one This is a very porch centric recipe here after right after the reading knew that. We wouldn't get sued Casey I would love to have had the ability for us to throw in that how bizarre song just to clip from that. I wish we could use that when more often I think you could just just to like literally like one note people will do the Din ended it. That's all you need. It's fair use because we're talking about the song structurally, right? Don't sue US exactly. We want to protect ourselves legal liability and there were people who believed in the hand of glory. You can imagine they wanted to protect themselves as well. So if you. Suspect that someone may try to render you comatose or unless or rob you using a hand of glory. There are a few ways. There are few preventative measures you can take I you can try to douse the flame for some reason you have to use milk for this you don't ever say why. And then second, you can counteract the magic by rubbing the threshold of all your doors and windows with an unjust made from the goal of a black cat, the white hin and the blood of a screech owl. So I guess Pantry Staples, right? Right. Right. What would a magical protection be without some sort of paste made from animal parts? You know this is this is a key here. And I am absolutely fine with pulverizing a screech owl. Good riddance as what I said well, screech OWL is. Not a great name are wise. Let's let's be honest. They could have called it song or something. Hey No. This episode of ridiculous history is brought everyone by audible I. Love Audible Ben I truly do and and everyone else should too. If you don't already although I know many of you because you've heard us saying it's praises low these many years but you know as communities around the world kind of united to confront new challenges like social distancing and school closures everyone's really trying to. 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Trick power in pure. Eco Mode. Visit a DMV evil retailer today to experience the xc ninety recharge plug in hybrid for yourself. Anyway We know that were severed hands that were used as public warnings and just not purported to have magical powers. There's a thief's arm that is still in a in Prague to this day and in Europe across Europe, you can find severed hands of criminals that are. Put up like public warnings. In most cases, we don't know the owner of the hands, but the owner isn't really important. The idea that your hand can get removed for doing something bad is the real change key takeaway like there's a very old pub in Wiltshire, England? It's almost seven hundred years old. It's called the haunch of Venison and it was famous for a long time because it had a curse gamblers hand on display. Apparently, this guy was caught cheating during a game of whist. A few hundred years ago. So a butcher chopped his hand off and threw it into the fireplace in one, thousand, nine, hundred eleven. They found the hand during renovation work and they put it in a glass case with some playing cards and they set it up in the bar for people to look out whether having a pint the bit a little bit of Curia I appreciate the And if you're saying guys, I WANNA see this hand I want to see a real thing. What makes the hand of Glory? Different from so many magical items will the differences that unlike Nacro pants or something of that ilk the hands of glory was actually made at different times in history and people try to use it for one reason or another. If you want to check out this the hand of glory, there is a real reward. It's on display as he said, no at the Whitby Museum, they are open. Now I don't think they have a virtual tour but how cool would it be to see this person? Pretty cool. Pretty cool. I gotta say Ben, you buried the lead there a little bit Nacro Pants. I had to google that one literally pant a pant is is the fashion fashiony folks like to refer to them made of the skin of a dead man that sort of made into leather and cured and you can see those at different museums to a really great article on Alice Obscure called Negra pants and other tales of Seventeenth Century Icelandic sorcery. So whole nother universe of creepy morbid sorcery to to dig into their yet thing about necora pants it's a real bummer first off the pictures of the NECKAR pants are not safe for work secondly. They never they likely never existed outside of folklore. Says the idea of Iceland at Magic watching this this film called spell. Did you guys hear about this one? No no, it's a there's this guy was OCD and his partner passes away. And he spontaneous this is not a spoiler. This is like the first few minutes of the film, and so he spontaneously impulsively decides to go to Iceland and he gets wrapped up in the the colts practices and traditions of the country. So rooms. Skyteam. Loftier comes into play it. It's wild. The cinematography is beautiful because Iceland is a beautiful pretty unforgiving place but check it out. There are no Nacro Pants I will say that in this film, but it's still really good and it has grizzly magic and you know this makes me think of Ben Something I like we've talked about on the show before if not at least off air, but there is a story of is making the rounds back in those last year. About this. And Canada that makes a cocktail that. Uses a severed toe that they have on hand. It's called the sour cocktail in the downtown hotels sour dough saloon in Dawson City Canada, and it's apparently dates back to this legend for the nineteen twenties about these bootlegging brothers who got frostbite and put one of their toes and a bottle of moonshine is the article on USA Today stylized as it as men toe. and. There's a grown in parentheses that's just implied. It's not really there and a really this is a real thing and it was discovered in nineteen seventy, three, the preserved toe and that led to what they're calling the sour to- cocktail club where people come in and like they want to become the mile high quality. You know you just you get this drink and then you're a member people travel the world over to trick a drink with this mummified toe in it, and then I guess he returned the tow back to its preservative liquid. I. Wonder if it gives you even powers or bootlegging powers maybe magical bootlegging abilities who knows maybe Let's imagine a world where no one ever cuts corners. Potato chip bags are filled to the top car in front of you at the stuff like notices when it turns green will a place like this exists where script pizzas are placed in the square boxes and wings come in jumbo sides. We're talking about Ledo pizza with an all new online ordering website for easy ordering Lido Pizzas Square because Ledo pizza never cuts corners. It out at Ledo Pizza Dot. com. This episode is brought to you by IBM. Today every answer matters more than ever before because whether it's about health deliveries or finance some things just can't wait. That's why EM's helping businesses manage millions of calls, texts and chats with Watson Assistant. It's conversational a I designed to help your customers, find the answers they need faster no matter the industry let's put smart to work with IBM dot, com slash Watson Assistant to more. And learning a lot about myself right now because I remember this story and now I think about it. The thing that really grosses me out is drinking after people more. So than having a drink with the preserved body part in it I just I don't like the idea like I'm okay. With a preserved to in a drink you know especially, if it's children, it's kind of like an ice cube. I. Just don't like that the idea that it was in someone else's drink. I, that feels unsanitary. Oh, absolutely you'll say about unsanitary the recipe for Sour took cocktail is pretty basic it's one ounce of alcohol that's minimum in one dehydrated toe garnish with courage is according to the website of the saloon. So you pay for your shot to be about eight bucks Canadian and to one of the bartenders toe captain's and then the server will put serve your drink with the tow as the Garnish and the rules are simple you. Hit Your Lips, but no biting chewing or putting the toe in your mouth is allowed. I don't think anybody you need to make a federal case out of that, and apparently swallowing the to- will land with a nineteen hundred dollar fine which means someone did it I guess. So that's why I'm telling you man I know we're a family show but toe people. Tell people. All right. Yeah. Watch out well. That's That's our show today. These are just like just a few examples of the wide world of Morbid Najib. Items. I would love I don't know about you guys but I'd love to hear from someone who's actually been to the whippy museum and seeing this actual hand of glory. Also, you know we do hope you enjoyed this episode because our search histories are. A very questionable after this I do have can you buy severed human hand in my search history now Google knows about it I all can you? it's It's done on Amazon I'll tell you that. It's so off. So I did I did try to do my due diligence and also said I was I also I appended it with like can you buy severed human hand? PODCAST research just to be clear he's got the NSA know that your intentions are pure. By the way the speaking of which the idea of buying mummified parts I'm sorry to keep. Fascinated by this learning more as I'm reading about this bar with. AS Roma. Fight Toe they have multiples notch doesn't mean not clear where they came from I don't think they were all from the bootlegging brothers, but I could probably do a little more digging and figure that out. But apparently, it is considered sanitary. The the proprietor of the Barr says quote we've had the chief medical officer of the Yukon big deal look at it and give it a clean bill of health. As long as we keep the toes mummified, which we do by keeping them on salt and serving it and forty percent alcohol that keeps everything legal. The following for now but thank you for letting me know at least that there are some kind of standards hygienically for these sour two drinks I would I I mean I would. I would want an unused toe. I know that very diva Eskin entitled of me but I just I don't like it might be possible. Ben I did find the source it from all over and not all of them are ancient or anything like that. Apparently one came from a British marine who lost a toe to frostbite during the Yukon Arctic Ultra Marathon very recently started was in October of twenty, nine nineteen and that one's just a year old. And apparently, they get him donated sometimes like a guy who lost his toe to gout donated his Co.. That's disgusting. I. Don't know this is for you ben I used or unused to this just might not be your type of thrill seeking I mean certainly as mine. Yeah. Yeah and it's not as glorious a hand of glory. You know what I'd love to hear from fellow listeners ridiculous historians. Write to us and let us know your favorite examples of the hand of glory in folklore and fiction whether comics films, television shows novels, etc. You can find us we're all over the Internet. Stick we still don't avenue email address, but we're on facebook twitter instagram do check out our community page ridiculous historians. We can't wait to hear from you there. You can also find us as individuals online. 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142From King Henry the VIII to the Rolling Stones on Eel Pie Island

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142From King Henry the VIII to the Rolling Stones on Eel Pie Island

"Radio welcome to the kitchen sisters present where the kitchen sisters. Dave Nelson N. Nikki Silva the kitchen. Sisters present is sponsored by Celestial seasonings in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine one of celestial seasonings founders most seagal handpicked wild herbs from the Rocky Mountains in Colorado and used them to make their I t in the following years. He sold his herb teas to health. Food stores and hand sewn bags. I have many memories attached to these teas and the beautiful little boxes that they come in my personal favorites sleepytime intention Tamer. They source over a hundred botanical for more than thirty five countries purchase directly from the farmers and local community. Charlie Bayden their blend master for over forty years tastes and approves every batch of t before it leaves the factory in Boulder by your favourite blend of celestial seasonings on Amazon or anywhere. Tea Is sold we thank you celestial seasonings for sponsoring the kitchen sisters present this week's adventure the case of the complicated poisoning at hield. Pie Island. That's island up ahead. I wonder if the really in as as cruel as I remember and the pie crust. Aw Leaky and I have no interest. Whatever in ill wants not still slightly today. A story about a tiny island in the river Thames with a flamboyant history involving King Henry. The Eighth Charles Dickens. The Rolling Stones Pete Townsend Rod Stewart Anjelica Huston Trad Jazz rock and roll and you'll pie disappearing London delicacy think an apple pie filled with coke. Deal my name's Dan van vet. I have lived here on highland for about thirty years. The only inhabited on the Tidal Thames. I ended up writing a book about the story goes King Henry. In the sixteenth century would be road up River Thames on the royal barge to to cold fantastic palace COUPLA miles upstream always way past the island. Henry who's actually roller large gentleman overcome by hunger. He said Stop the ball. Jim Bring US bring us a neo palm. He seemed to minion ashore to buy the Neil Fi from the famous stall run by mistress Mayo. He acquired a taste for her and then frequently indulged. It ill pie. Island was where they used to fish out the ills in London. You'd see these big EELS. In the front of fishmonger shops big fact some of them is six jerome lying around on the mobile slabs. They're also Public House here. Pablo of apartheid and was there for centuries it had a bowling alley and it used to be here and presumably ego pies. It was quite smart in eighteen. Thirty in tie Charles dicky's he has one of his characters. Nicholas Nickleby come to heal piloted for a picnic by boat Paul at a hotel only from the eighteen. Hundreds that was affected. Derelict by the Mid Nineteen fifties on a couple of people started jazz club on it on Russell Club role historian from London. Michael snapper was a antique dealer. Scrap dealer apart. Island is giving cheap stopped and bought what to do with it on stage. A concept rather interesting dont sold. Attached to. The hotel stood alone. I remember it a little bit like a Charles Adams Drawing Djelic Houston. I'm an actress. I grew up in London. The early sixties. It was a time when a lot of old ways were meeting. A lot of new ways from the rations and the hardships. The Second World War flits and hunger ill Pie island in the heels that had been cut up on these white marble slab since the days of Henry V. Eight were suddenly meeting the youth quake pilot I used to come as a sixteen year. Old was dark and it was summertime. And we would. Don't my name's Emily Young? You had the trad jazz bands playing and the way we used to dance to it. You had to be picked on your foot you jiving and during the Charleston at the same time in the late nineteen fifties in particular. There was a movement look towards. America is more New Orleans Jazz. Trad traditional jazz played by people coffee shops and small bars. He'd like Ken Kolia Clarinet Player and bilk their driving force behind the club with offices. No he worked in an antique shop for micro snapper and the began putting parties on their which initially just free. Ilk Highland. I'm Michelle Whitby. I authored the book Ilbo Island. Most people are under the impression author of the club. You know he wanted to be a cool rock'n'roll promote but his motives were very different. He had a huge interest in teenagers. Which after the Second World War in the mid fifties were completely new phenomenon? General Society just saw them as a threat whereas at wanted to know how to help them he purposefully included amongst the club members. Professional people doctors lawyers live someone that had a problem. He will try and steer them in the direction of the right person he cudi. A social experiment needs to music as a way of attracting these youngsters when you too far separated from the parameters of the normal coach you'll hate people who Luck got into the art schools. Were they could release these fractures in the form of music. They about three four hundred people in the schools who formulating two groups that we know today should Eric Clapton. All of those guys come out of school in the late fifties early sixties was a bit of a hotbed for things like just as in rock and roll but immunize him running would went sailing all college towns of into eating pledge. Jimmy page WENT TO SUTTON ON COLLEAGUES JEFF. Back Wins Wimbledon and Eric Class went to kings these rule along the River Thames in probably a twenty mile radius if you buy people jokingly refer to it as the tens Delta listen to Bob Mills on BBC London. Ninety four point nine special guest. This morning is a new. We talk into now Michelle. You question very I have come to the book about the history of ill pile I then. Oh God when I did law work there. Were like a beatnik early sixties. That was the only thing they was. We go to Richmond Kingston and sit around in by the afternoon. White for the time to guard the bridge to the island or these great like can call date the number. These kids went to your console. Trad jazz and folk and skiffle skiffle. He's kind of the pump. Could his time nineteen fifty five nine hundred fifty six almost every rock and roll the hurdle? He's from London would have been capable. Kids have seen Elvis and they want to do it themselves Eric. I always wondering if you could tell me what your best and worst memories were playing bill pile island. One of the worst memories was to carry your miles organ across the bridge. GonNa be three handles the floor. Stand in the middle of the floor and it will bounce down. All you didn't have to pilot. The early sixties was taken by rhythm and Blues Harmonica. Play Davis Formed Davis Allstars. He died at the age of thirty two. Kenya and his place was taken long. John Baldry there is a story. That's denied that Cyril Davies died. I had a booking ill pie. And they went on and play their show without an off to his own local railway station taking in South West London Long John. Baldry came across a young guy a little bit drunk complain the Harmonica and singing and he's name was ruled shoes. And Joan. Bolger when I was says. Do you want to join a band? The yardbirds Jeff Beck and Jimmy page faces. People come and go and play in different bands. There's a great melting talk. You might bump into Mick Jagger in the by starting it she like Pete Townsend Coming Through Right Davis K by any band that was worth his salt had to play them to new ticked off. That one on your itinerary. You hadn't really arrived full. Jones played with the sixties band. Manfred Mann you drove up here in your Van. And then you unloaded stuff. Which on a trolley across this strange little footbridge the footbridge was ropy as anything decrepit. It was muddy old. London Ramshackle River life with all barges when people were living. You have to pay to get over the if you didn't WanNa pay me. Swallow Coats on. Lots of people did throbbing hot humid full of cigarette. Smoke sweat didn't take a lot of baths and at the time the wasn't lot of shampooing going music would Blair and those who weren't dancing where snogging kissing necking. It was a of ritual thing. He just loved dressing up beautiful. Old Ramshackle leather jackets old Victorian nineteen the fluffy white lacey cuffs. Underneath this Jakobsen Velvet look tight jeans. Bell-bottoms hipsters little miniskirt. It was just before the hippies came. The world changed. The island had gained quite a reputation. The Rolling Stones Ransoms. Brian Jones actually phoned author. Said we'd like to pay the item. They played a total thirteen dates over here in nineteen sixty three. I seem to go about fifty grid. Pink Floyd one of the last groups and they played their ninety. Six seven pie closed for being a health hazard. Dilapidated was that for eleven years but in that time fetchy thousand young kids were members of the club in nineteen sixty seven. The police forced its closure within days. People were moving in hoping to create a Utopian commune in nineteen sixty nine. The hotel briefly reopened as colonel BAFFERT's garden welcoming bands like Black Sabbath and the Edgar Broughton band number of people just to move in and live. We'll squatting nearly seventy that really movement Zicklin London well off the war. There were lots of properties left empty. That had been bombed before they could demolish people just call is them wasteland. It was quarter boyle. The River Authority wasn't doing anything with it. This bit was sort of claimed by youth culture. The electric had been cut off from the wall tire. Freezing cows just started ripping the buildings pieces to keep themselves warm and then it just became unfit for human habitation sadly in one thousand nine hundred ninety one. The hotel burnt down in mysterious circumstances. The hotel's pool down and the owner got permission to construct. Eighteen townhouses is the season's rock'n'roll music. What is it now? The island is half residential half eight yards. And where the hotel was this now houses but still there's still artisans other sculptors and stone calls blacksmith. Ill It's a very specific. Little place in space and time is little point of liberation down on the Thames. Very very alive just like the eels. Alan we'll be right back. This episode of the Kitchen Sisters present is supported by Sikora a nutrition based company that focuses on overall wellness. Starting with what you eat. 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Where did you guys we use coupes? There was meneses. They'll dates man's is with the the famous ill traders get him in live and they chop them up. And you have a foster in tray with the ails rigging about waiting to beaten traditional show pies pies mashed potatoes code liquor. It's actually the pulse. Resource Shoes DOWSE WITH VINEGAR. So an cheapest east end mill and the children were program on highs mash liquor not only must have liquor. People that don't have enough money device. They can chips causing now. It's falling by the wayside. Closing down record. They're not they're not as popular. There's not the demand for us Indian Chinese Japanese food instead. These things go out of fashion and if Cook live ely porter seven pounds. Here's more from our interview with Anjelica Huston about growing up in London and e o Pie Island. Ill Pie island was where these two fish out. The EELS and the early days in London in the sixties. You'd see these big ILSE. The front of a fishmonger shops these ills were huge. Big Ugly can conger looking things and there were big delicacy the yield pies but anyway there was this other life that went on and Pay Island and that was the youth movement. You'll Pie island was one of the places that sort of Erin teams went to listen to good rock and roll it was one of the sort of outer boundaries there were inner boundaries like Olympia earls court and then there are other places like Chalk. Farm roundhouse like ill pilot and the ill. Pie Island Was Honda all kinds of you. Know people degenerates. Your parents would worry when you went out. Ill Pie island. Who are you going with who you see how late you'd be home? It was kind of no-man's-land was a hotel on hill piling but no one seemed really to be in residence. You go usually in the late afternoon. Crossed this bridge over that we lots of pigeons on the ground was fairly tatty. Wasn't high tone of all the new kind of crossover and you're on this. Quite small little section of Land Island. Remember this movie that was going on now. My father had been making the Bible in Rome and he'd made a lot of artist friends while he was there and it was the wife of this artist. Who asked if my brother and I would go down the European island and an extra and this movie in full mode launder very kind of odd being movie. The scenes from that movie really sort of incredibly sweet and ballrooms featured looks very small. Everything looks phrase. Small Court. Says it does when you're confronted with images from memory and the people who I remember and I say the teen nature's because I guess they were teenagers at the time. I was kind of younger than everyone else. Emily and I were a precocious. We were hauling park girls and we like to wear ballet shoes or Wellington boots with fish net stockings and our skirts rolled up after school. You know we put on our black eye makeup and set to treading the pavements. We were smokers. Were like fourteen an acting like eighteen generally misbehaving anyway. We've been invited to go to ill. Pie Island by this group who are making. This movie was obviously very low budget. The other extras were to my very sophisticated. Everyone is wearing velvet suits lace Xiaobo's. There was a very defined difference between the. Chelsea set that time people who occupied the Kings Road and Warren the style of Oscar Wilde. Very kind of romantic and then through the beats and emily and I kind of preferred the beats the beats were more up in Notting Hill. Hempstead they were less prone to wearing color. We generally were tired either. In deep purple or black stood alone I go in. It was very ramshackle? There was no decor his speak off. Just Sprung Dad's for getting there. Well all kinds of acts would play stones Eric Burden on the animals. Definitely the yardbirds lead centers with some three Roman. Just be throbbing hot humid. Who's the smell of sweat and small cigarettes fall? No Ashtrays no places to SIP really no areas of convenience tiles in the coroner's People's coats they'd thrown off that at the end of the night couldn't locate but new they have to find it because he's really cold outside. It was all about the dance. It was all about the scene being in London at the time getting into small spaces in heating them up dancing hard especially with youth explosion going on in London at that time. Salata people coming together that hadn't previously. It was next subscription for the arts and the Labor government a lot of disparate factions came together and I think that was very much sort of template for what was going on in the music halls and places like Japan was all about. The new freedom is all about feeling alive escaping the sort of shackles of your cold grim. Everyday life to the job will Mexico. The kitchen sisters present is produced by the kitchen. Sisters with make an Alton and brandy health mixed by Jimmy. 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