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Men in Blazers 05/14/20: With Weston McKennie

Men In Blazers

17:53 min | 7 months ago

Men in Blazers 05/14/20: With Weston McKennie

"This is Rebecca Lowe. Will Rebecca if you listen to sub optimal radio and you on this thing to men in. Blazers on the NBC Sports Network. It's Thursday and Phil Coleman to men in Lederhosen. We actually have a Stinger. You ready be too bad. I eight Germany. John Kennedy. Thanks God show Thank you two. Gop David Steuer in Seattle. Who is he wrote? Von Seattle. David says couldn't talk mine coined his mind shooting. Sc COP as toot mill lied. David Johnson thing is will close as if men in Blazers Ninety nine red balloons had a bastard offspring after say. I opened this thing out five. Am yesterday morning. I couldn't sleep and it just made my day the perfect reflection of my newly found slash. Lifelong well it feels lifelong now. Love for Mighty Mighty shall cover. Who filled hard-working blue-collar tenacious team? Fairly Been Dick. Come on you minus. He'll cheering for this Saturday. When Bundesliga returns in the guise of German Ghost Games Guy Szpila only excitement meets DASS BOO. The first top. Tier League in your to return offers up. A set of fixtures which will be watched avidly by executives have pretty much every sports league on the planet. I imagine. Roger Goodell proper rb. Leipzig will choon in with this dog from his dreadfully finished Baseman as well the primarily cone chose desperate to get the league. We love back. Come hell or high water if only FECTA walkers say thousands of American sports fans will also be tuning in to watch the week. Twenty-six schedule resume and they will have a clash of clashes a Copa Pasco pass as elite kicks off with a sizzling fisticuffs. Dortmund hosting orange rural region rivals. My beloved boys in Blue Shell K nine twenty. Am ON F S warned. Not to be missed because how life sports baby and all say because abundance they become yours most fertile breeding ground for a liter talent so many young guns twenty one year. Old Jiafu Pete Tyler Adams Wa- Pinga Fools New York All be light sake. A good mate. Josh Sergeant American Soccer Gritty. Just twenty as a baby. Verda Bremen and Mike asked my favorite of all twenty one years old the swaggering pride of Little Elm Texas and the heart and soul of my shell has midfield a young. Gen who fell in love with football as a five year old when his military family was stationed for towing. Nick causes out in Germany. He's had a remarkable season so far the focal point of D.C NAPA midfield in his third full campaign in Germany and is a joy to welcome to the pulled from the greatest team in Deutschland. Shocker Aka Bundesliga graviton miss the West mckennie with your support supporting first thing. I be when a cow. This lockdown this to get my Schulkin tattooed across my stomach is I am old in West than I am willing and I'm so glad the Bundesliga is back. Tell us where exactly we finding you in the team? Hotel right now right Gulshan Kirk. Yes in the hotel On the heart of the training ground. We've been taking so many precautions. I mean it's for the best for the health. It's definitely something you're like. Oh we got you so much that you have to be aware of. We aren't to talk about war. But how would you lockdown life? Because on the failed you are such a destroy. A bowling bowl of energy in lockdown. Chill of you had cabin fever over the past couple of weeks. One of my buddies Nate Tadic. We also saw American. That plays the ear here. You know for the past has haslemere somewhere at home. He lived with me for a bit since since we went into corn. Dini's been living with me so we've definitely gone on runs. Dogs Gotten Out Day in photo. Shoot so it's just stuff just to keep busy. When did Shell could go into hotel? Quarantine can you describe the scene in the mood right now this past week in and I'm in the mood for for some guys it's They're okay with it because you know it's a chance to get away for their babies and really crying and get good night's sleep man. I just want to go outside and walk around but I mean like you said. It's it's something that we have to do and sacrifice to get back to playing. We're excited to start playing as well again. So it's worth it. You mentioned the incredible amount of detail. The incredible amount of that has been poured into bringing Jim and football back. You know the testing the deep cleaning David Wagner Ms. Talk to the press about how each player even has ruined individual salt'n'Pepa Sachet Fatih males as been any of the small detail that which he didn't expect that surprised me something. Shock is really taking precaution on and they've really know bit really professional with the whole thing Word our plan is two meters away from each other. We eat when we do video even behind. You know some people behind closed doors. They're not doing your job with even behind closed doors. Were LIGHTS ON VIDEO MEETINGS? Two meters away from each other. You know. Walk into the stadium. We have our mass on that when we come back mass house training been in this new world. What's been the biggest difference to the pre pandemic regime the tackling was a? I A big problem for me. You know able to tackle freely able to play your true. Full-contact Western mckinney game. Yeah exactly made me sharpen up my my technical abilities passing and everything's when are we do play games at at goalscoring? We celebrate by tackling each other's shoes together in five years. Have you been discussing celebrations? You could possibly unleash the cuckoo viral in this new reality. Yeah of course Menas haven't been having a dump for but I mean it's hard to doing the shocker arena and more in England you do these celebrations but run into the side. Your sitting in the stands and clapping for yourself or or. There's a date. Dan's out. The foot celebration come west and I'm GonNa say I look forward to you running into the crowd to celebrate yourself. That always makes me won't fans to never be a game again inventive but Jim football comeback because of the remarkable way. Germany is the curve the testing widespread across the nation. The contact tracing I mean the key to bringing the Bundesliga back has been the testing. How often you tested and what's up. Experience been like we test probably every every second every second day night we get confirmation Allah test for negative. So that's always release to be honest with you the first test that we had was crucial a you know they started up your nose. That was the one for meals are nausea or we crap. You know I felt bad because I've grabbed the person and pushed away and get away from you. Know he's a brave new world. I believe you even washing your own right now mad. I haven't done that since he fourteen actually. No you maintain to Western welcome to my world. How does it fail to prepare for matchdays again? Is it excitement to be back? Does it feel more like a leap into the unknown? Yeah nobly at the same time. It's like okay. You would expect to go in the locker. We do the things that you normally do but like you said before like we're taking so many precautions that at the same time it doesn't feel like it's a game and it feels like you know scrimmage game but at the same time the players that we have to be mentally strong in that in that situation so that were there that we can switch it in Know that it's real gambling. It's all horrible. You Don and to find that motivation. So it's It's definitely one. That wall will show what players can play. Under these circumstances. You talk about the mental side. I'm also interested in the physical site. How would you describe match fitness levels right now because after a spell away from the game I games back there always brutal? I mean. It'll be very interesting because it's not even it's I games back in and you know you at least have some time to get back into but now it's like it's first game back the next week? You play three games in the next week. Another one game one game three games. So it's like I'm curious to see how everyone's smash hit us low. As also they told you to expect in terms of the game. They protocols what will be different no handshakes Newcastle. Sally's new spitting walkout different. Different Times for WARM UPS. You know wanting team will go out though. Knock on the door and let the team know that the other teams are out in the then you can go out. You know even in the locker room if you need like tape or something like you have to wear mass in the physio historic mass as well. So you're on the bench and you're not playing wear masks like some side of it you're really excited to get back within some side of For doing all this Westin is football. Glorious football believe may just hearing you three. The fact that is coming back is making me tingle in the factors you about with the bank this weekend. Shelter Against Dortmund the rural the Dobie was. It's no one across Germany Western mckinney against G. O. Raina motionlessly new yellow wall outdoor woman not twenty-five thousand stunned just screaming. Your opponents on is GonNa make some difference deathly but also at the same time like it it also could affect us as well apart of the game is here the fans and sometimes even you know the trash talking from the fans fire you up even more. I mean of course I will. I will miss them screaming so much because I promise you you play in a stadium on the scream in Derby. You can't even hear teammate. Life away from you. So it's a that'll be good at the same time. You're like damn will better messed up worry about you. Host and say on the sideline. I'm fascinated by this in the past couple of weeks we've had an NBA player. Larry Nance came home and he believes NBA teams will score fifteen to twenty points less per game because of the lack of adrenaline provided by the crowd. As you suggest and Major League Baseball Pitcher Brandon McCarthy. He told the PITCHES WITH LOSE. Four to five miles. An hour of their fastball. Just because of that. Lack of birds that lack of kind of that next level that's provided by friends. I always thought home fans but the love that you're saying it's the opposing fans that motivate you mentally if you're going to talk about how to counter the lack of fans and how that might impact you again. It's really within the players themselves. You have to really depend on your teammates. The coaches to to you know give you that motivation as well and you have to find yourself to find the self motivation. I mean for me. I'm a person it doesn't matter Sanz. Not like still Michael Crack Equal. So that's GonNa Farley a knowing like the like everyone's watching anyways so it may not be in the stadium. Everyone's at home watching for sure. It's only league. That's like so that if that's not enough motivation for people than I don't know what is not just made Vatian for you playing but I'm going to say you've just sold this game to America tune in watch. Weston mckennie crack people up Mike. Go the ratings have just gone up three points but you manager is an incredible motivator quasi. American. They've advisor a great friend of ours from his Huddersfield days when he came on men in blazes. I'm really blew away. Listeners of his intelligence is just shrewd approach to the game easing incredibly inspirational man. Straight talker an incredible motivator. What's his message? Been in terms of really how to leap into the unknown. This weekend really stressed the fact that you know. Don't try and understand it. Don't try and get a grasp on it or something he said. Just go out and do it. Just don't try to control. You can't control so it's it's really easy. It's been a big help. Nestle amy also. He's he's a big motivation as well. give a good pre game speech. That's for sure I'm that flat knows how to bring out the best in his players. Also in how you get the most out of them so I think he's also really really big factor of Bidding team as well so Beijing. Shoka my beloved a- currently Sakes Oh we're in the Euro League place twelve points off Champions League football dream. Big Why you telling yourself is possible. Western intensive of a goal for the rest of the season. It's one of those things that you can have more clear idea whatever everything was if everything was normal. There is no iris. Nothing happened then. You could clear idea but how it's it's really honestly like everything's up there. You don't know what's going to happen. You know there could be teams. You know can't play these circumstances. I can't play without their fans or can't play. You Know Stadium. There could be teams that might thrive the situation. And there's teams that adding motivation at all or so. It's it's really a toss up. Aaron get going to read into that far too much say. Weston mckennie claimed Schulkin title race. Back on you've been you've been off you've been on for about two months. Does it feel the same season? Was it film like a new recent route even know where my that when it comes to that as just going with the flow like this week was technically was our last game and nibs now becoming the first game of a five week. Walk Round Robin as you can say. Thousands of Americans who do not Typically Watch. Bundesliga will be tuning in this weekend. I mean is well known the long all in on Shaikha for at least a law seven days a club bill on Working Class Fan Passion on hard work on a tree emphasis on the collective they genuinely do remind me of Everton football club right down to the blue shirt and beautiful. Beautiful Jonjo Kenny. Who's on loan that? Can you make the case to our listeners? Weston who are looking for a team there are thousands of Americans who are looking to emotionally connect to a Bundesliga team. Why should they support shelter? What will they get without lifelong division? The American away is never given up in always fighting and working hard of any American there. And that's not enough reason. I don't know it is shall America's team Western is a joy to be with you. We wish you and your team. Health Happiness and glory going cracks in people on Saturday. America WILL BE WATCHING. Oh Weston V. 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Spoiler Specials: Emma.

Slate's Culture Gabfest

56:38 min | 10 months ago

Spoiler Specials: Emma.

"Now Charlotte grading. What's hello and welcome to slate spoiler? Specials I'm Marissa March Nellie and associate editor here at slate and today I'm joined by staff writer. Heather sh would l hi heather. Hi Marissa. Today we're going to be spoiling Emma. The new Jane Austen adaptation from Director Autumn de Wilde Heather. I'm so excited to talk to you about this movie. We watched this movie together. And I got here all your reactions in real time and I have been itching to discuss them with you. There was a lot of laughter and gasping during our screening. Is that fair to say yes. I think that's to say so. Where do you stand on a? Are you a big Austin van? Have you read the book? Emma have you seen other adaptations? I read the Book Emma in college or High School. So it's been a while and I actually had not seen the major I think of it as the most major adaptation the nineteen ninety-six with Gwyneth. Paltrow but I have seen clueless clueless has been like an enduring obsession in my life so I would say like my biggest familiarity with emo comes through that I pulled up the trailer for the nineteen ninety-six Emma just because I wanted to get kind of vibe and I thought about watching it and then I was like no you know. Let me just keep this most recent Emma in my head. What about you? It's funny because I feel about Emma the way I know you feel about little women where the nineties version is the definitive version for me. I had a professor in college. Who loathed the nineties version because Gwyneth paltrow's accent falls a little short? I don't think she's wrong necessarily but I have such affection for that. I think Alan Cumming is the definitive Mr Elton. He just nails the ridiculousness. That is just like so insane me because like Elton is Elton from clueless. Like he's supposed to be hot and like Alan. Cumming is not like he's supposed to be ridiculous. So the alternate in this movie. I guess we'll get their falls more toward the ridiculous. So maybe you're right like from what I remember in the book like get ultimate was like a little ridiculous but there was something appealing about him. But we'll get back to that so this movie version of Emma is not a radical reimagining the the way say the most recent little women is even though there are a lot of Larry's between the two and that they've been adapted and adapting and adapted. Clueless is obviously a pretty big departure. Because it's a modernized American version. I've also seen the Indian ROM COM version. Aisha which is along the same lines. And it's kind of cute a at least three different BBC versions. I feel like there's 'em approved which is a web series from the people behind Lizzie Bennet. Diaries right yeah. There's so many out there so going into this movie a little bit. I felt like why do we need another one and then I walked out and I loved it. I thought it was quite good as well heather. I'm curious if this was as it was for me or I brush with Anya Taylor Joy. Who is the lead in plays? Emma who has been in a few? I think mostly horror movies up until now I certainly had not seen her in the witch which out which was supposed to be really great but you just could not pay me enough to see like a horror movie or something called the witch. That's supposed to be scary. But I did see her in thoroughbreds so I knew her a little bit through that I read an interview with her where she said that she was so insecure about the role she was like. I'm the first ugly Emma which is outrageous. She's so beautiful. I think she's very beautiful. But I also thought the casting of this movie was really interesting or that speaks to the overall project this movie. I do think she's beautiful in a way that I can just see her as someone I went to school with and her having this particular call to personality around her. It's a very particular. Look like there's almost lake I read. There's an icy nece in her. Look I just don't think she's the Gwyneth. Paltrow sort of not that when paltrow is like bland but like predictable beautiful Hollywood actress. I think there's a little edge to her so I do understand why it's different but I don't think she should limit that she's ugly. I think she is so fun to look at. And she's that rare celebrity who's both conventionally attractive and also really interesting in the face. I WANNA shrink down and go skiing on one thing. I like about her and Al contrast this to when Paltrow is I think she looks genuinely young and this is supposed to be twenty or twenty one years old and I do look at her. And think like yeah. That's a really young woman who still figuring it out. That's not like a Hollywood ROM com actress. Who's just a more typical person? You might see in like a big budget version of this type of movie. She looks young and she also acts young Geez. Good at capturing the sort of Bradina of Emma that might not play as well with a more mature actress. So that worked really. Well I mean. The movie even opens with the FAMOUS FIRST LINE OF EMMA. The quotation about her being twenty one years old almost. Yeah and this version. They're like pretty explicitly like she's not quite twenty. I know that's funny. She's handsome she's clever. She's rich she's lived with very little to distress. Vex Her is a good start I would say especially since. This movie opens with the very first thing to distress vaccine. Which is the departure of her. Governess Miss Taylor and I found in reading the book that the book sort of breezes past that in like two sentences and picks up after miss. Taylor's already married so I was curious to me that they chose to actually show her preparing for the wedding. She gets a scene where the two of them get to basically say goodbye. And then we actually attended the wedding of Miss Taylor and Mr Weston and the Church that they've constructed is so cute and really emphasizes the smallness of the village. Because it's you know the kind of village where there are three or four people and we go into the church and there are in fact like twenty people in the pews and it's really really small and everyone knows each other. The first pew is reserved for Emma and Mr Woodhouse to emphasize the importance. So who do we meet in the church remain? Cates ladies in in the church so Miss Bates is like is kind of like town. Busybody Khlaid by our and hurt yes who I love from spy. And all the midwife. It's funny she's a very tall woman and was just reading an interview with autumn wild where she was like. I'm tall too. And so she felt this sort of affinity with that character and like tall eighty problems. I thought that was a really interesting. Take on it because possibly also because of the nineties version of Emma. I always picture Miss Bates as being diminutive and sort of this like chattering scattered person and to have her be tall and more physically imposing it was just like a radical reimagining just in casting purely and. Marin hurt is so funny and plays it so sympathetically where she's all over the place and there is an element of ridiculousness to her but I found her to be just sort of a chatterbox. But in a nice way yeah totally level. In that way I think the movie is even less sympathetic to Emma then passed adaptations. It's very much like reading the novel where you feel. You know better than Emma and you're like am I. Don't don't be judgmental. Don't say an unkind thing. I really liked Miss Bates from the GECKO. I don't know if that's a weakness or a strength though. Yeah I'm not sure the other person we meet in the church is Mr Elton for me again. Alan Cumming is the only Mr. Elton talked about this. Mr Elton can I be one over I just think he was so goofy in this role. The Way I think of. Elton is someone that Emma thinks is a good match for her friend. I mean he's not amazing because she doesn't want him for herself but like there is supposed to be attractive elements of him and I just thought this Elton I was like what. Why would she set her friend up with him? He is so slimy from the GEICO that again. It's a little bit like come on get a grip. Because when he's being ridiculous and charming or at least trying to be charming you can kind of excuse all of his extravagance and social climbing tendencies but when he so transparently pretentious. Yeah and they're supposed to be friends too because the moment in the carriage is supposed to be a bit of a revelation so get slimy and we hit him later. But that's supposed to be more of a reveal right. Yeah I thought when he's delivering his sermon. There's a great moment where he says the word innocence. But he says it innocence and Mr Woodhouse who is played amazingly by bill. Nine this version says Enosis in. I just saw vulture headline about that particular pronunciation so He offered his commentary on it. It was his take right. He that was his line reading in Edition for the limited amount of time that he had to introduce the character that was dead so notably absent from the church. During this wedding. Is Frank Churchill? Who is Mr Weston's son? Who is skipping? His father's wedding because he lives with his aunt and uncle and his aunt is very sick. Or it's implied. She's not actually very sick. She's just a hypochondriac much. Like EMMA's father is Mr Woodhouse. This is the first of the sort of complicated familial relationships that you have to keep in mind because Frank Churchill was Mr Weston son from his first marriage and then his wife passed away so he went to live with the wife's family and took the name Churchill and then at that point. Mr Weston married Emma's former governess. Right sometime later yes. The parallel in clueless is with Christian. One reason to enjoy watching this production is it can remind you how many you can also just watch that again. But like the way it's set up. Include Lewis is you know oh Christian's not here this semester he with one of their parents on different coasts so like this absentee characters introduced and that sort of what. The deal is with frank like we're hearing about him before knowing like. Oh who's this guy going to be? Before we meet him and the unspoken expectation among people who live in the villages that he would be a good match for Emma who is pretty starved for choice considering how small communities but also the fact that her family is basically above everyone else in so she doesn't have a lot of options when it comes to marrying always a hard situation for an Austin heroin my fractured is Ewan McGregor. Oh Yeah we're GONNA have in the trailers McGregor. He plays it so well. He plays the character as written as this kind of snivelling fop with long hair. He's very vain. He goes travels miles and miles. Get his haircut. He sings really dramatically. It's kind of odd to see you and McGregor in that role because you don't usually see him playing period drama and comedy in that particular mix. Those are big shoes to fill. I thought Callum Turner was much like Mr Elton. This ranked Herschel was like clearly. Bad News from the GECKO. Yes but in a different way to me. I thought like Oh this guy. He's like a jock he's a player like to the extent that like a nineteenth century guy can be that but he's sort of just has that look of like cockiness and overconfidence. I wasn't particularly into him at any point but Mr Knightley calls him a fop an in this version of the movie and make some comment about him going to lend him to get his haircut. That makes it clear like he's like Oh this guy's just a hairdo. This movie has reversed the hairdos in a way that really confusing version. Where the long hair is the signal of the fop and the short cropped style that Jeremy Northam has is like he's a gentleman naturally falls that way. Emma has an older sister Isabella Isabel and she is married to nineties younger brother so nightly is someone she grew up with sort of like a family friend like much older than her Her sister's husband's been older brother. Yeah so a very important question is he. Hot Is nightly hot in this movie so I actually think they make him too handsome and too obvious a choice for Emma. There is supposed to be some creepy. Nece there where he's known her since she was a baby and they're kind of in the same family which has again brilliant and clever parallel includes because Josh is share step brother So it's like creepy but also perfect but then in this one. I'm just like Oh she just date him. He's right there. I was thinking like in. A Post. Game Thrones where all Blake. They're both blonde. They do kind of look like family. There's like somewhat of an undercurrent of incestuous nece still there. I was surprised when I looked up the actor. Johnny Flynn to find that he's actually the right age for the character thirty six which is just like a little bit younger than the thirty seven. Thirty eight I also think thirty seven today is different than thirty seven and eighteen fifteen definitely. That's true he has very pouty lips. Oh yeah that. Make him look younger than he is. Or maybe not even the right word. He just is more hunky. He's Hunky in a way that I could not square with the character who I've always seen as more of like a stuck up paternal kind of figure rather than yes his version which is less creepy although he's more of like a brotherly figure. I don't WanNa say by virtue of being a brother the romances his negated craziness but you don't feel their ages quite as much right. I think he's supposed to be a bit like Dorky again. I'm thinking of Josh and clueless like he's not supposed to be this brooding type. He is so like an Austin Hero. The actor they cast in this one like there's nothing like unlikely about it. He's definitely more in the vein of the movie and TV Austin Heroes where they're soaking wet. They're sweating a lot and they're chesser heaving. I mean in this movie. He's fully naked. Oh yes first time we see him and we see a whole but Yeah clueless alert. It's just talk about clueless. I kind of would. I just want to point out the perfect ness of that because when share says she's but crazy in love with Josh Kovac to the but that was a really subtle. Oh my gosh. Maybe I don't know I did. A control signed on a copy of find the word. But it's not US yeah I do think that was maybe an invention of the directors to talk about that choice more. There's a lot of Lake Body stuff in this movie. Really horny movie Horny but also just like grow spotty stuff or not gross but just kind of like the every day private and thinking of when they have Emma sister's baby and he fired or he or she. I don't know what the baby was the point of seeing nineties but isn't fresh to be horny about it or maybe a little but like it's more just like oh we never see the private moments of these people and serve making them a little more human. It is a really bold visually movie in a way that the nudity works with the colors are really bright and exciting. It's lush and sumptious and indulgent. And so when even later in the movie Emma lifts her skirt to sort of roast her but fire it does feel like earthy enough that it can support that. And it's not something you're used to seeing in a period drama regency period drama with the exception of maybe like Sofia Coppola marie-antoinette which is explicitly has anachronisms. Yeah marie-antoinette is definitely one of the movies. That's like a reference point for this. It's a little lass. Totally indulgence seeming. But there's definitely an aspect of that in the production design on the subject of the costuming and of the extent to which this departs from our is baseball through the time period. I was actually reading because I'm not a fashion historian. But you're not as I sit here in my corset. I follow someone called Hilary Davidson. She's the author of dress in the age of Dean Austin regency fashion and I was reading her interpretation of the movies costumes because Oh awesome to me. The bold colors were jarring. Like I couldn't explain why I don't know anything about the fashion of the era but I know Hollywood and very often in these movies you get a lot of pastels blues pinks whites and in this version of about their some bold reds Harriet. Who's played by Mia Goth and his Sort of kind of schoolgirl border town. She and her other classmates. Where these red hoods that almost make them look like they're in the handmaid's tale. Yes and they walk around Like in a line and it reminds you of like Madeleine. I didn't know what to make of the dresses but I did think think that the hair and jewelry had some wit to them like some of the hair in this movie is crazy. Like there's one part where Emma's wearing a Christmas ornament looking thing in her hair and then later when we me Mrs Elton. Her hair looks like she's like Cindy Lou. Who IN WHOVILLE? How the GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS? Well in reading what? These fashion bloggers have to say a lot of that. Stuff is actually accurate. So Emma's bold yellow coat that I thought was more of a stylistic choice rich people would often wear bold colors to indicate that they had money the ringlets the really tight ringlets wearing curls. The ringlets look like they're literally curls around a pencil. They do they look like you should like pull it down. And it'll spur. The costumes are by Alexandra. Byrne who has done awesome cosmic. Before she worked on persuasion. I found this other costume blog from the curator at the daughters of the American Revolution Museum in Washington and one thing that he pointed out was that Mrs Elton's hair. The style is from the thirties whereas the rest of the costumes are more the eighteen ten and eighteen twenties so she looks eccentric because she's fashion forward. Which is an interesting choice. Speaking styles herself as that kind of person who thinks that she's fashion forward. But in this case it's true. Clueless hive the reference here with amber in clueless Do you prefer fashion victim? We're on some challenge. I thought Emma's hair even looked ridiculous. It points like I think some of it is just supposed to be arch and just like look at these rich. People don't even know how to wear their. I appreciate the attention to detail That I didn't know enough to recognize when I was actually watching to get back to the jewelry. Some of that was just very different looking at Mahaffy's earrings that look like plastic wishbones to me which they definitely weren't but a lot of the jewelry was also very colorful and it's just cool to like learn like. Oh they have stuff like that man. So Harriet things kickoff when Harriet kind of arrives on the scene and Ama- season her like Oh I can mentor. This young woman and I will make a match for her and introduce her into society. It's like the height of 'em's self regard making. I'm going to mold this young woman because Harry. It is very naive. I thought the actress who played Hermione Goff was great in the role just so young and wide eyed and giggly so plot wise. What happens is soon after Emma and Harriet begin their friendship. We learn that Harriet has proposal. A local farmer asked for her hand in marriage and Emma kind of thing. She could do better like she doesn't approve of this. She doesn't think he's of a high enough class for Harriet. So that's when. Ms Sort of sets her sights on Lake. Oh I think Mr Elton would be a good match for Harriet and sort of Engineers Times. When Harry can hang out with Mr Elton then it gets very confusing because emma paints a picture of Harriet and gives it to Mr Elton. Who loves it but like he loves it because Emma painted it. Not because it's Harriet. We learn later. Harry is interesting as a character because it's almost like Schrodinger 's class we don't know whether she's low born her high so it's like both possibilities exist simultaneously an has chosen to believe that she's the daughter of gentleman. The doesn't know who her father is. Emma doesn't know who her father is. She's being put up at this boarding school by an unknown benefactor. So Emma who's starved for company? Especially now that Miss Taylor has left adopts her without actually knowing whether she's too good to marry a farmer she's just sort of imbued this importance inherit by virtue of this is my friend. Therefore she must be above a farmer. My memory was a little fuzzy matt and I feel like maybe it's hard to pick up exactly what's happening in the book. Like vis-a-vis her parentage. But yeah that's a good explanation of it one thing. I thought the if you're going to bring up clueless I get to bring up the nineteen ninety-six version of Emma. Yes you do I not. That movie did a better job of showing the extent to which Emma actually sabotage the relationship because in this movie it's largely passive aggressive hints based purely on his class standing and the nineties version. Really gets into like. Oh he didn't read that book you told him to read and I couldn't possibly comment lehrer other factors outside of it. This is a total snob. Love that about her she is so Bradey. It's great and it really sets up the end of this movie where she's humbled to an extent that Jane austen didn't even dare to dream of yet for me it's more about the journey and it really is so humorous and perfect that like she thinks she knows it all And who people should marry and she is sort of the puppet master when she has no idea. What's going on all along the only person to sort of question? Emma is Mr Knightley. Mr Martin is attendant on Mr Knightley farm and he knows him and he thinks you know. Harriet would be lucky to have him. He's a good man like why are you Meddling and all this and immensely her own. Yeah nightly is definitely more of the people in his rugged way in this movie as opposed to pass versions where his reasoning has been more like. We don't know who this girl is. We should probably let her except marriage proposal since she has nothing going right here. It was interesting in this movie. She was so meek that it was easy to see how she could be shaped rather than just being purely dim witted. It was less about rains and more about a lack of courage which I prefer. I think that makes the character work better to go back to their youth. I just think the dynamic between them is very believable. You know like twelfth grader. Leading a ninth grader around and acting like she knows everything. Yeah one thing I did miss. This movie is more explicitly. Lean into the aspect because we lost a great exchange early in the movie where says that she made the match between Mrs Weston and Mr Weston and her father sort of eludes to the fact that she didn't really make the match. She foretold the match but nightly doesn't challenge her as strongly as he does in the book and in past adaptations and that to me is sort of the core of an adaptation so to leave it as subtext. Your wasn't interesting choice. Yeah I think you're right. You mentioned her father though. What did you think of Bill Nye in Israel? He's very funny. I mean he had me since church. I like when his first on screen he like bounce down a set of stairs. So he's not lethargic and moping around he has a lot of energy. I love his weird kind of crab walk crouching where he searching for the draft because he's convinced that everyone's going to die. The servants in this movie have a very good rapport with him. Where basically there's an army of servants in every scene largely STOIC. I don't think any of them have a single speaking line and they just react to the action and so there's a scene early on where he's convinced that Mr Knightley is going to get a draft and he deploys this small. Army of servants to rearrange all of the fireplace screens that he has to redirect the energy. I think he played a really well. I have not seen. I think Mr Woodhouse like that before which is refreshing. Yeah I love Bill Nye and when I saw he was in this. I was like hell. Yeah that's GonNa be great but I don't think he really add anything to do like I kind of forget that he was there but that's kind of his role right. Emma doesn't want to leave him because what will he do without her? I don't think we even get to see enough of their relationship of him being needy. I just thought that like he would lift trade out of this movie and you wouldn't know this that's fair. I could've used a senior two of the two of them together. Just getting to know the dynamics of the house a little more but I do think even when he saying what a terrible day it is and she sort of consoling him day gesture at it. Enough that it works. The core relationships of this movie are Emma and Harriet and then Emma nightly but his relationship with Mr Knightley is touching to where they clearly have their own bond going on that makes you root for the Emma and Mr Knightley down the line. It's not so much that Mr Woodhouse would lift out as that. Mr Knightley can be plopped right in okay so as you mentioned. Emma has been trying to push together. Harriet and Mr Elton. Everyone has been wildly misinterpreting his signals his enthusiasm for the painting that Emma Paints. Harriet is very clearly directed rather than Harriet herself. And he buys that silly musical frame and then the famous so funny and like a good representative detail of this movie style I would say and then finally Emma realizes that she has wrong all along when the two are sharing a carriage after a dinner party at the Weston's where it's like as soon as it starts to snow everyone freaks out and they're like we have to get out if you're now if there's a bustle and she winds up alone in a carriage with Mr Elton which seems super inappropriate to begin with. Oh was that inappropriate them? I don't know what the rules of carriages were. I don't either. I've been presumably finds wound up happening but I mean but he does use it as an occasion to sign up to her. He declares his feeling It's such a CLAUSTROPHOBIC. Seen you feel very much like there's nowhere to go in the carriage with this guy. He won't stop going on but it's it does take her a minute to understand what's she's like you forget yourself. It's Harriet. You're interested in it and he's leaving. That's not true and this is done so well in clueless when Elton drives share home from the vow party and he's like what me and tie and from there then. Elton goes off and he finds a different wife addressed Elton I don't remember her maiden name who calls him. Mister E and chaos Bozo reading a plot summary of the book it. Fill me in more. That like actually one big thing. He was interested in 'em for was her. Money's Oh which I kind of forgot or there's less emphasis in this version of the movie. But then he finds this replacement Mrs Elton and like she has some money but not quite as much as Emma. But like that's what he's looking for. I thought the movie communicated that well because he says the exact same thing twice among company about the estate that Frank Churchill will eventually inherit because there's a portrait of it on the wall at the West home. It's the exact same canned line about the size of the estate and how Frank Churchill's going to inherit it and I think he actually later makes a blunder like. Oh you're going to inherit that biggest state not too soon. Ha Ha because then your uncle's dead. He's just really oblivious to social niceties in his eagerness to talk about money. Yeah Mrs Elton is sort of his perfect match. Like she's just this lake loopy woman who thinks that she's the most important person in the world but are they a perfect match or is he kind of low key miserable. Oh I don't know that's a good point. The novel is certainly not from his perspective. It's not I think it's clear in other versions. I mean they explicitly say he chose worse for himself then Emma would have chosen for him nightly says that since he's the voice of reason in many of these cases we can trust him but in this version especially later after the box hill picnic. When Emma speaks out of turn they did seem to have a nice kind of closeness. Where Mrs Elton says? I know one to keep my mouth shut. Mr Elton's like yeah honey. Not a direct from the movie support for today's episode comes from Progressive Insurance Fun fact progressive customers qualify for an average of six discounts when they sign up for progressive auto insurance discounts for things like enrolling in automatic payments ensuring more than one car going paperless and of course being a safe driver plus customers who bundled. They're also with home or add. Renter's insurance save an average of twelve percent on their auto. 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She resents her because she's basically her only equal in the community even though she's not living in the community full-time her family's fallen on difficult time so she has to work but she's beautiful. She's talented at the piano. She's very musical. This movie did not sell me on the idea that Emma has any reason to dislike her. She seems like a pretty normal lady who just happens to be better playing the piano whereas in the nineties version. Jana Fairfax is kind of a bitch. Like she's really evasive and cold and not snooty necessarily but there's definitely a distance that she has created that Emma can't get past whereas in this version. I was kind of like so what I'm GonNa just Super Jealous. Yeah Emma is jealous like it's coming out more and more that like Emma's Matas mature perfect So Jane Fairfax is miss. Bates's needs she's in town but also Frank Churchill has to town by this point and they're all kind of circling each other and Emma doesn't want frank to consider Jane Sort of a prospect. And like she's very happy when frank sort of like makes fun of Jane and she feels like that threat is neutralized but at the same time. There's all this gossip in town that someone gave Jane Piano there little women parallel mystery Guillano gift. Fluting pianos around. Yeah there's some other guy who they think the piano could be from so jane was with the Campbell's so frank. Churchill is literally whispering in Emma's ear that maybe the piano was a gift from Mr Campbell. Who Secretly in love with Jane. And we know that he is a cad. Because we read the book adaptations but also because I get super obvious that he sent the piano. It's not really settle in that way. The mystery of it doesn't really work. I didn't feel that it was obvious but I did feel that. That whole storyline was kind of convoluted and hard to understand so we ended up finding out that yes he did send heard the piano and they had been secretly engaged and he was like flirting with Emma as a way to keep it even more of a secret because his aunt couldn't find out he was in gauged to Jane because Jane was poor So they had to keep wouldn't inherit right. Yeah I was just like why was he being such a jerk and like leading Emma on and also like prompting Emma to be like the worst version of herself. Mr Knightley would agree with you. I mean he basically says at multiple points during the movie like a man Frank. He should have told his aunt. I'm going to my father's wedding. I have to go. Oh Yeah. He's whole reason for not liking him because he didn't even go to. These should also have stood up for the woman that he cares about rather than keeping her on the hook. Obviously he resents him for flirting with Emma. So you and Mr Knightley are of the same mind you're right about the convoluted -ness of the plot Because it's like Mr Martin Loves Harriet. Emma convinces Harriet. She doesn't Love Mr Martin but she does love Mr Elton. Who LOVES EMMA WHO FLIRTS WITH FRANK? Who Secretly Engaged Jane? Fairfax who Emma thinks has a flirtation going on with Mr Knightley. It's all like a stack of domino. And then Harry it finds love again and Emma thanks. It's Frank Churchill. That she was so what happens with? Harriet. Harriet is attacked by the Gypsies. Which as plot points go is just really super lazy. It was like okay here. We come. I'm carrying her in dramatically interrupting tender moment between nightly and I feel like Mrs Elton Calling Him nightly without the MR in front of Russia's at he's like choose attacked by the Gypsies. And everyone's like oh no. That's horrible thing that happens is just like screaming but like kind of orgasmic Louis It was high comedy and I I agree about the sexual nature of it because I mean it's the way he's touching her is definitely suggestive. We've just come off a ball scene where everyone is touching each other. Because they're dancing and then Mr Knightley has run for reasons that are unclear to me from don well he gets back to his home after the ball. Unlike collapses sexily bill of a room does that because like he was just like so sexually frustrated because he like exchange these glances with Emma and link. The two of them like something was going to happen. Touch worth touching. Yeah and maybe waste touching. Yeah I do like that. He goes home and just collapses and a servant walks in and then immediately walks out but you could misinterpret it. I guess if you didn't know what happens like he also dances with Harriet. The ball but he only does that because she's sitting alone and Mr Elton snaps her and then he just like very kindly offers to dance with her. This is the source of the confusion about who she is in love with the has she tells Emma that how could she not be in love with him after he rescued her So Ama- thinks it must be frank. Churchill who saved her from the Gypsies and then it turns out it was actually Mr Knightley who rescued her from not having a dance partner after Mr. Elton was so openly rude to her at the ball yet and it's begin to dawn on Emma. That maybe she has feelings for Mr Knightley. I don't know at what point. She actually admits a tour herself. But like after the glances and the touching all. This all culminates. One of the most painfully awkward scenes in all Jane Austen a picnic at box hill. Where Frank Churchill? Does this really horrible thing. Where he's like Emma's making me say let's play a game because she's bored ammos making me say let's do this this and this. He's kind of goading her to be a mean girl. I think it works really well like as written by by Jane Austen. I think she noon Tuesday. Jane austen's a real good writer but I just love that because like that is weird but also like sometimes you're like friends or guys you like dig convince you to be meaner and you regret it and like you say things you don't mean so that picnic had been set up by Mrs. Elton just like kind of inviting herself over to Mr Knightley House yeah. She's basically considers herself the chaperone Scheffer Chaperones French. And at this point Jane has left the group seeming distressed and she only told Emma she was like I gotTa Split. And I'm like that's weird. Ms Still thinks there might be something happening with Jane and Mr Knightley at this point yes. It's very there's a lot going on. Yeah one thing that I didn't think worked so well we're the little asides during the picnic which worked fine on paper and then when you see them onscreen you're like everyone is right there and can clearly hear you. They decide to play a game where they can either say one fascinating thing to pretty good things or three exceedingly dull things and poor dear. Miss Bates makes a little self deprecating joke about. Oh well it's fine. As long as I can say exceedingly things I can come up with three of those which is like pretty forever be thought especially especially this version of Myspace who just seems to have a lot of nervous energy rather than being necessarily like a talkative person. She just distilling the silence rather than having something to say. I don't know I felt bad for her. She was a really anxious version of the character so then. Ms Says like her cutting remark which is like. When have you ever stopped at three verbatim? What she says and the reason that I remember that is because I was waiting. It's really elegantly phrased in the book. Where she's like. Yes ma'am you know but you will be limited by like it's it's more roundabout and in this way. She's so cutting indirect and it's really awkward. What was a little weird? Maybe this is just how it played onscreen. Is that after that everyone's like Doodoo like wooden someone come in and save that someone should have like elegantly found a way to transition but instead we're like there for like a really painful like minute it's exactly as in the book in that then. Miss Bates turns and has this little side conversation with Mr Knightley where she's like. Oh it's my fault like I must be really disagreeable person or she wouldn't have said that. And you're like Emma you bitch like stop and then Mr Weston decides to say one fascinating thing as part of the game and it's a compliment to Emma and it's just really uncomfortable fascinating. It's not he says. Had you spell perfection with two letters M. and a. m? It's really graves. I expected better from him. Like right after she said this really mean thing like why. Why is she perfection? It's definitely awkward. And then Mr Knightley immediately gives them addressing down. Says how could you do that? How could you have done? And she cries knowing that they are going to be this couple in the end of the movie. It's a weird dynamic that he's been so much of the movie lecturing her but it's one the movies aware of I just also like that part of Emma's journey in that lake. She is growing up and realizing you know you shouldn't just dunk on people for no reason and ordinarily. That's the sort of low point for her where she then humbles herself and goes to Miss Bates and asks forgiveness and she does that in the movie. But then there's more humbling to be done. I was amazed at the extent to which this movie doesn't just humble its main character but kind of just throws over the whole British class system. Emma finds out. Finally that Harry was in fact in love with Mr Knightley now with Frank. Churchill because news of Franken. Jane's engagement got out so she goes to make sure Harry. It's okay and Harry. It's like why wouldn't I be okay? I don't hear about Rachel and there's a really good line where Emma's like. Let's not misunderstand. Each other like. Let's say exactly what we think is happening. I thought that scene was really good. It's really Tennessee and To me that's the moment when Emma knows she's in love with Mr Knightley when she's like no you can't marry nightly like cheese but crazy crazy do butts to hearts. Yeah then Mr Knightley comes to amateur console. Her there's just a lot of miscommunication here but feelings to basically say frank is a cad for playing you like that. Your wound will heal At which point she has to say. I was never in love with him. Much like Harry. It did to her one seen earlier. And then we get the big beautiful declaration of love. I think Mr Knightley has the most romantic line in all Jane which is not romantic at all. Which is if I loved you less. I might be able to talk about it more. Yeah Nice great my love for you is so big and pure that. I cannot put it into a romantic line. It's like a right around. Did you find these scenes romantic? No because her nose starts out of nowhere. It's not in the book. There's no allusion to nosebleeds at any point in the movie. I liked it because like again. We're talking about just like kind of bringing characters Down to Earth. It's just funny. Well the Director Autumn dwelled has said that she gets nose bleeds. Oh really and so. I didn't read this yes. She gets. Nose bleeds regularly and so she decided to upend this romantic moment. And it's the moment of your body betraying the worst possible time. I got a nosebleed on a date. Very recently at the home of the the guy didn't notice but I just like ran away and I was like this is so funny I have a nose bleed on a day like just inherently comical life imitating art. Yeah so Jane Austen is really coy about this scene in the book because nightly says his piece and then Jane austen basically says and what it. Msa just what you don't worry about it exactly what you supposed to say. And of course in a movie. You really can't do that unless you're going to cut away in the middle of a love scene which this movie is not quite radical enough to do and must basically like no. I can't marry you because of Harriet. Harry it's mof with you so she and nightly batch this plan to get Mr Martin to propose to Harriet again and this was the big departure from the book where Ama- goes herself with basket in hand Martin's farm and it's this man who earlier in in the movie. She said that in a condescending way like he's too poor to be important to me but he's not poor enough for me to be giving him charity so he's as much above my notice as he is below it and so here. She is holding a basket. The chickens are running around approaching this family to say I caused you. Pain here is a peace offering. And we'd already seen her. Give like an apology basket to Miss Bates to just on an apology tour. It has one stop in the original in this version. It's like a three stop tour. Because then once she talks to Mr Martin she meets with Harriet. And Harry Basically says I'm engaged Mr Martin and I know who my father is and it's not a gentleman as Emma has been pushing all along. It's the guy who makes clashes Bristol and Emma says that he would be welcome in her home. And that's how we're like yeah. Class relations saw really nice for their friendship and I just found it very believable. The way things were resolved and the class stuff didn't bother me but now that you pointed out me to me no it's nightmare simplification of I was for it to be clear. I'm not in favor of rigid class divisions it is a little pat. I guess we would say It's certainly not what Austin wrote. Yes once Harry decides to marry Mr Martin. Basically she and emily leave it on good terms but they're really not that close anymore. That's so sad. I didn't realize that because Jane Fairfax was always the more suitable companion for one thing. I did like that. This movie did which is insane is that it ends with Mr Knightley and emma making out on the couch while her dad is in the real question. Okay that scene so we'd already seen that like her. Dad Likes to order around his servants to place these screens all around him to like help. The draft was he doing that because he was actually cold or he was like. Oh let the kids make out. I printed it as he wanted to give them some privacy because he basically says like put that screen over there. Put THAT SCREEN OVER THERE. No that one and the way he structures it it's this massive barrier between him and them and I mean it's nice because part of what makes Mr Knightley. Such a noble character is that he's willing to give up his home and come live with Emma and her father because he knows that Emma can't leave her father. Her father will never leave Hartfield. He's to attach to afraid and so he decides basically to make the ultimate sacrifice for the woman he loves but it is extremely funny that they have that conversation while doodling on the couch. He's like five feet away and the servants even like it's also just like small romantic moment like romantic moment. That like kind of undercuts itself it. It's not a big grand gesture which I really like and I think is Just of a piece with what this movie doing. It is the scene equivalent of if I loved you less about it more. Yeah so heather. This movie's title is a little unusual. Because it's not just Ama- it's emo with a period at the end of it as if to say. This is the definitive Emma. Although the Director Autumn dwelled actually says the reason that it's a period is because it's a period piece. Why the title is premised upon. But we're going to go with a loftier interpretation. What do you think? Is this the definitive? Emma I mean I do quite like this version and you know I don't need to see another Emma now. I interviewed the director and she was talking about how it wasn't a competition. It was just like this is how she saw the movie. But there are infinite varieties of the movie possible. This was a quirky in particular to Autumn de Wilde And the choices she made version of Ama- that I did think was faithful to the novel. But it's just not the kind of movie that despite that period and its title that is like okay backup all you other Emma imitators. It's just smaller and more individual. It's just not trying to be all things to all people all well. I hope that this will be the definitive spoiler special on the movie. I'm with a period spoiler special to with the period full stop. Yes that's our show. Please subscribe to the sleet spoiler special podcast feed. And if you like the show rate and review it in the APP store or wherever you get more podcasts if you have suggestions for movies or TV shows should spoil or you have any other feedback. You'd like to share. They send it to spoilers at slate. Dot Com audio engineer is married Jacob our producers Rosemary Preston for I'm smarter. Thanks for listening.

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Real-Time Online Scheduling with Weston Lunsford and Keith English

The Thriving Dentist Show with Gary Takacs

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Real-Time Online Scheduling with Weston Lunsford and Keith English

"This is the thriving dentist show with gary tax where we help you develop your ideal dental fractures one that provides personal professional snl financial satisfaction welcome to another edition of the thriving dentist show. I'm gary tax your show host. I have two very special sean. Guess for this edition of the thriving dennis show the first one is a name that you'll recognize as a past guest on the show. His name is weston. Lunceford western is the founder and c._e._o. Of dental intelligence my second guest is keith. English and keith is is the founder and c._e._o. Of a company by the name of local med you've likely heard about local med <hes> they're a company that has pioneered <hes> real real time online scheduling in dentistry and as you'll hear later in this interview <hes> keith and western have very exciting announcement to make nick and the announcement. I'll just kind of cut to the chase right here. In the intro. The announcement <hes> is the dental intelligence recently purchased local med and in this interview we're going to talk about what that acquisition. <hes> means to the dental profession or what it might mean to you and roseline to talk about the whole world of real time online scheduling and why if you're not already doing real time online scheduling. You're definitely wouldn't want to take a look at that because it is certainly one of the features that patients absolutely want today so anytime we can give a patient something that they you want <hes> and it's something that we can make very systemically work in our practice. <hes> provides win win benefits for the patient and you. You're going to enjoy this interview with western and keith hey before i get to that interview. Though just a reminder you may know that i have created a second podcast called the less insurance dependence podcasts that podcast this is all about tips that you can use to successfully reduce insurance dependence in your practice. It's a short format podcast. Each episode is twelve to fifteen. He minutes long <hes> providing immediate actionable information that you can use to successfully reduce insurance dependency in your practice. I'll put a link in the show notes. If if you're not already a listener i would encourage you to pop on over the less insurance dependence podcast and give that one listen and now here's that interview with weston and keith why mentioned in the intro that this is a very special edition of the thriving dennis show because i have some news to break <hes> as a matter of fact. I've got two amazing guests <hes> western lunceford who if you're a regular listener thriving dennis show you recognize his name he's he's been on a number of podcast in the past and i also have <hes> keith english on the show as well so hey western. Hey keith welcome to thriving dennis show hi gary. This is kate. Thanks gary. I'm gonna let you lead off because we're going to break awesome very cool news that some of our listeners may be aware of <hes> but there'll be many listeners that are going to be hearing this for the first time <hes> western. If i had drum roll at hit the drums right about now but would you be kind enough to to kinda lead off with an exciting announcement yeah well here at dental until work. We're really excited about what's been happening and what the future is is laying out for us for our organization than also for for the company and obviously we have keep on who's the c._e._o. Local local matt but just to kind of give baseline of this gary in. I know that you know this and maybe some of the repeat listeners have heard me in you on here before sure have heard this multiple times but we really have one simple purpose here dental intel which the help data's improve their overall practice performance patient in care team performance the value the culture of the practice. That's our number one goal and everything we do here in our company emanates emotion in and inspires engagement and enrichment around that single purpose whereabout helping our customers great value and we're passionate about it and those of your listeners up had interactions with our team members here. They know that they they know how passionate they are about patient care about the success of the dental practices that we work with and i i think that's something unique so with this in mind <hes> we're really excited about our announcement that has been out there so somebody who you may have heard this than some may not have heard heard this but about the dental intelligence acquisition of local met <hes> which is the best hands down with no argument and an only real time online scheduling solution out there for patients. This is a huge step forward for both dental intel and local mad because because we're creating new growth opportunities and new connections that's going to be able to further solidify our position as the undisputed leader in helping our customers. There's growing manage their practices and and that is our number one purpose and we went out looking for those solutions. It's really going to help us help our customer and so from from the beginning of this whole process with key and with the local team which by the way is hands down one of the best teams i've ever come across ross not just in this industry but in all businesses they have a phenomenal company and <hes> so we're really excited unite. These two forces together is going to be a lot on it keefe. I want to give you some recognition as well and a backup on a backup that western said <hes> i am a huge food <hes> fan of dental intel and the way you helped in thrive and western one of the things that you've done <hes> over the last couple years is evolve your data so that the information becomes very actionable and that has been a game changer. I mean literally a game changer injure because there's a number of key performance indicators that lead to actionable <hes> responses from patients agents to put more patients in the chair and not only more patients in the chair but put the right patients in your chair right <hes> and <hes> in fact. That's really the key. It's not just about putting more bodies to dental office but it's all about you getting to know your clients getting to know what services that they would like to drive in their practice and they might be high value services. They might be things like dental implants. They might be a high value aesthetic cases. They might be complex. Restorative cases it might be treating sleep apnea apnea <hes> it might be a practice that wants to grow the pediatric component of their practice. <hes> maybe grow the adult orthodontic component of practice and through your actionable data data. You're able to identify patients in the practice that need were want the services that the practice would like to drive and look at this merger <unk> area. We were looking at some recent. Stats were looking at combining the d. i. Local med solution together. You're one of the interesting stats that we came across was out of all the patients which we have just over sixty million patients in our database right now k. so for our listeners just pause for just a minute and think about that sixty million patients in the database <hes>. I'd say that's a to help database western. It's a lot of patients. It's a lot of patients out of that. Sixty million almost fifty percent of those patients. It's forty eight percent. Do are not scheduled to come into the dental practice so if we just think about that and it's thirty legless round. Can we round and can we say thirty million. Oh you know of our patients that you know that we would consider patients in our practice but they don't have an appointment. They do not have an appointment. These are <unk> active patients that do not have a future appointment right now on a practice and so when we think about that when i looked at the chair time availability elevate just analyzing the schedules and the open times in the schedules if you were to schedule all of those patients in the practices so we took all the five eight thousand plus practices that we have utilizing the solution right now on their patient base if we took that and we scheduled all of those unscheduled active patients nations the average practice would have to expand their opera tores by three point eight opportunities in order to fit them in their schedule or four or open up time on the front end or on the back time but overall they would need almost four more opportunities to handle the patients that are unscheduled so when you bring up gary at the very beginning of this when your statement is not just about getting patients schedule. It's about getting the right. Patients scheduled this. This is where i really get excited about. Local met solution who solved a huge problem in the industry that we're all familiar with which is these holes in practices kusc schedules and then dental intel identified the right patients combining these technologies together with the right patients and the scheduling scheduling cap- capabilities and getting those patients in the chairs is going to be life changing these practices and keys to recognize you for building incredible solution <hes> for you know real time online scheduling. Your solution is world class. It's seamless and and and this is the part that one emphasize. It's what patients want so keith i. I'm gonna state an opinion opinion here and i i suspect that <hes> weston and and you keith we're going to be in agreement with this but i happen to think when i get out my crystal ball all <hes> and look into the future look into the immediate future of our dental profession. I think the next big thing is real time. I'm online scheduling for patients. I think it's the next big thing keith. Would you agree with that. Absolutely <hes> you know we have seen not just <hes> the the smaller <hes> single offices but everybody up to two groups to the largest aso's or starting to recognize that same fact that you just suspension <hes> and just providing the convenience to the patients it gives them the opportunities that they're looking for their daily lives <hes> gives those those practices <hes> the ability to to have those multiple paths for the patient to be able to interact and then choose what's best for them where in no way saying that the the telephone telephone conversations are going away or anything of that nature. It's just that the patient at different times needs different pass to communicate with the office and providing a a solution <hes> for for online scheduling. If it's not real time it doesn't perform that function that is needed so there have been solutions is in the past that were not a real time component. They're still required the office to to have some manner manual intervention and those did not accomplish what the patient is looking for which is a completed transaction through that <hes> and we were very fortunate. Put together a really rock solid <hes> dev and operations in support team that was able to to build that out over the course of the last seven years <hes> and really excited about the things that we have the possibility ability of taking that for where it is right now to those next steps with dental intelligence in the things that they're able to accomplish from an analytics fedex perspective <hes>. There's a lot of interesting things we feel like. We're going to be able to put together with that. You know keith. I think of one of the things i like to look outside of dentistry. Look how other businesses solve their problems and i travel extensively and one of my favorite apps is open table and and it makes it so easy to schedule a restaurant reservation and <hes> you know recently. I was visiting with a good friend of mine who happens to own on. He's he's a <hes> an emerging chef here in the phoenix area <hes> he's been recognized nationally <hes> and just an amazing. He's he's a friend of the family and he's got to local restaurants and i love supporting local restaurants whenever i can <hes> in particular because they're just amazing. I was talking to him the other day about about how he felt about open table and his comment was i absolutely love it. You know as a as a business owner and a restaurant owner. I love open table because it gives my customers using their language use the words patients but he said using my customers that my patrons for the restaurant it it makes them so easy makes it so easy to schedule <hes> restaurant reservations at his restaurants. <hes> and i just think that dentistry is <hes> you know oh absolutely primed for this whether it be the solo practice small group all the way up to the large d._s._o.'s because you know when whenever we give consumers here's what they want. <hes> it's win win and i guess i know you have a lot of data on this and you have a seven year <hes> track record of successfully successfully integrating online scheduling so i feel like <hes> we're right at that juncture in time <hes> where a dental offices are or should be ready to embrace this. Yeah we have had <hes> an interesting lifestyle seven years where when we started <hes> when we mentioned that people thought we were crazy that there was no way we could accomplish that and then it's gone. You're gonna do what exactly you're gonna. Explain that again <hes> or just hang up on honest one of the two <hes> to the evolution of okay now. Tell me how this works to okay now. Tell me how you're different from the other the people that say they're doing something similar to okay. This is a must have <hes> we've gotten to the point now where not just us but the industry in general general which we like to think we're helping lead that charge but we're getting things like banks now <hes> that are telling their offices that are they're trying to finance to open for for startups that there's no way they will even finance that if they don't have online scheduling and and so they're coming to us there this happened to us a couple of weeks ago where we had to to let the bank know that somebody had signed up before they would approve the loan for that startup so those types of things are being recognized as as table stakes for four offices at this point as opposed to a nice nice to have or front of the curve type of thing. It's getting to the point where that is something that is hey if you don't have this. You're you're losing business. He if i know that <hes> had this discussion about online scheduling for many years now with dennis. I'm a nerd. I don't mind admitting that i love technology. I kind of wear that nerd badge with honor <hes> and keith i'd have to say in this has meant with all due respect you in westerner fellow nerds would would you accept that <hes> <hes> i four about insides of dental practice management systems than i would ever care to admit nobody without nobody without a nerd badge can ever ever say that out loud well and you and i both know in western noses as well that dentists have been slow to jump on you know this trend line and there's a lot of fears that come up <hes> such as loss of control of their appointment book you know however you've designed find some interfaces <hes> in in the local med <hes> <hes> model that really addresses all the major fears the dentists have of and you really make it <hes> so positives one of those things that <hes> once the dentist gives it a try. I believe they're comment. We'll be paying i. I wish i would have been doing this a long time ago. It kind of reminds now. I'm gonna date myself with this comment because this is before both of your times in dentistry but <hes> ah i've been in dentistry thirty nine years started in nineteen eighty says my thirty ninth year in this profession but i remember when the practice manager software systems came out with <hes> <hes> you know <hes> a electronic electronic schedule and we went from the paper book. Remember the paper book those were huge. <hes> anna logue appointment books <hes> to a paper book. There's a lot of resistance to a digital book and there was a lot of resistance to that but every single time and i'd navigated many practices coach through that transition you know from an analog appointment book to a to an electronic appointment every single time <hes> they said wow. I wish i would have been doing this so much earlier. I kind of see the same thing now twenty five years later in regards to online scheduling keep. Can you address some of those concerns. In the way local mid has built your platform <hes> to really be provider-friendly in in making these services available yeah so you know one of the first things that we recognize when we started building was the each of these offices and organisations sion's is a small business and it takes the personality of the owner <hes> and each of those is unique in its own way and so when we got to building these pieces we wanted to make it flexible enough to fit the personalities and how these offices are working right now. Our goal is to fit within the flow of the office not to dictate to them how to change their business to work with us and so we built out a couple look decisions based off of that one was we wanna use the practice management system as often as possible so that you're not having to do things in multiple places so so by reading the appointment types the offices. If there's multiple zip there <hes> the providers things of that nature the times that the office is open the length of time for each individual appointment type all of that sort of stuff by reading it from the practice management system we eliminate that concept of having to utilize is a multiple input locations <hes> but then there are that second level of filters that are unique to the individual practice practice that the management system won't monitor things like dr smith does not want new patients in chair for every other wednesday after two pm those are just things that the scheduling coordinator in those within the office no so we control those from within our system and by combining those two things together we give but tone of flexibility to the office so that they can make the decisions that are best for them not things that are best for our system so that that customization aspect act is what gives <hes> gives us the flexibility to make sure that we're working with the office in a manner that it fits their way of doing business <hes> and that was important court yeah that was important so that we weren't forcing offices into a manner of doing business that they were either not comfortable with or or wouldn't give us the opportunity to show them that some of those things they were worried about. Were things that we had worked to solve and gary if you think about that. Here's here's here's what an office has with the solution they have defined rules which we all have systems and processes or at least we should and policies around scheduling thing in our practices now and we tell our team members at the front desk are are schedulers wherever they're sitting. I guess that these are rules that we need to live on on behind in regards to scheduling will those same rules and guidelines have been built in to where an office can customize that within this local local men online scheduling and now you have this scheduler that sitting out there allowing people to schedule twenty four hours a day seven seven days a week three hundred sixty five days a year. It is a non stop team member. That is one hundred percent living within those rules which is incredible one time when i wish this was a video format instead of audio because western kief you'd see me smiling the era right now because i'm just thinking about the efficiency that is created with this <hes> kiki. If you may know that i own own a practice <hes> i'm not a dentist but i do own a practice here in phoenix and i use my practice as a learning and teaching laboratory kind of like a test kitchen and one of the things we're constantly <hes> tweaking and developing is how to become ever more efficient in our practice and this is one of the ways that we can get a massive gain of efficiency because literally. We now have a scheduling coordinator. I'm using scheduling coordinator. In in air quotes. We now have have a scheduling coordinator twenty four seven three sixty five that that literally is working for me in my life smiles practice <hes> absolutely absolutely there's another key piece of that too on top is not only now. Do you have the technology working for you but the person that just walked into the door is no is not now in a position where somebody's trying to cradle the phone and talk to them and walk through this that those people at the front desk now we'll have more time to focus on the people and the things that are right in front of them as opposed to fielding additional phone calls on i just technology standpoint but a person standpoint it frees that up and <hes> that's a big part of this as well. I love that you said that keith because <hes> <hes> certainly in my own lifestyles practice. We're very much a relationship driven practice where we know our patients names. We know their spouses names. We know their kids names. <hes> we know their dogs names we know their hobbies and interests and i would think that the vast majority of our listeners here at the thriving dennis show also have relationship driven practices so think about 'bout guys think about how having the solution in your practice freeze your team members up to be able to interact face to face better with your patients and improve <hes> the way you represent your your relationship driven practice to your patients <hes> and so yeah you're right not only does it make it more efficient officiant but it actually improves the quality of the face to face interactions. We have with our patients because our team members of freed up to be able to do that and that's a massive assive benefit <hes> keith. I wanna stay on one point a little bit longer and i'm kind of putting you on the spot here. We didn't talk about this ad time <hes> but i suspect <hes> that you'll be able to who <hes> provide some information to our listeners. Can you provide information. If there's any listeners that are thinking. I don't know if patients nations are ready for this. The patients want this. I believe they do but i think you probably have much more data information than i do. Can you share some information mation for for listeners that are thinking that maybe patients don't want this to help them understand how much patience will appreciate the solution circle so one of the things we did over. The course of about fourteen months was query those that utilize our platform and say okay. Tell me why you chose goes to use online scheduling. So what was your you had multiple avenues. You could call you could go to the office you could or use online get in so we asked asked him a couple of questions along those lines and they fell into some buckets and this is a long winded answer. I apologize your question interest. Ah the law the biggest reason that folks utilized online scheduling in the office was closed. They had no other path to communicate with the office office that they were scheduling whether it's parents that are just got home from a long day at work and they get their kid situated and then they get to think about things like this or they couldn't call from from work or the myriad of other circumstances that come up at the office. Just office closed at four or five o'clock and that's people's lives the people the patients that are the most beneficial for the practice. They're also busy during that exact same timeframe so the largest bucket of answers was hey. This was the path that was available to me. I utilized it. The second largest was that they were able to see the schedule of <hes> of the practice against their schedule so they could make the best decision for the time for them to come in and you talk about dating yourself you know i remember when you used used to have to call the movie theater and listen to the recording and it would tell you a you know raiders. The lost ark is planned at this time and jurassic park and i know i've got different genres in their bars different. I apologized but and you had to listen to the whole thing and see when your movie came up and and listen for those times and then invariably that time didn't work and you had to listen back for the first movie and call again. That's kind of what some of these office offices were forcing their <hes> their patients into into. Is you know house tuesday to that doesn't work for me house thursday four for you. I don't have that and so forth that became a negotiation so that second group of customers said hey i can see my schedule against the schedule of the office and then i can find the best place that matches <hes> but the most interesting thing that we got from net for us at least was the fact that thirty six percent of patients said they would not have scheduled at that practice at all if online join scheduling had not been available. Wow that's more than a third of those patients would not have made an appointment. Online scheduling was not available. Wow i knew that number was going to be large but but that number surprises me. That's that's amazing. It's going to keep getting bigger to gary assange just in washington d._c. With my wife we were celebrating her birthday in and care centre and i are big foodies. We like to search for restaurants and and we use yelp. Keep you use yelled at times <hes> they don't the selections in ashton idaho. Aren't that wonderful. Are you familiar with the gary. You write us at a lot and it's interesting. Even my wife is we were going through through this and looking at some different restaurants to choose and select and when it came down to going and looking for a reservation guess what we ignored everyone on that didn't allow me to schedule online because i didn't want to go through the hassle on coordinating our schedule via phone call with someone i wanted to quickly look at the restaurants and their schedules dell's just like keith was dictating their to us all i- i wanted to compare that to my schedule and so we we only ate a restaurants where we could book online mine. I went to lay diplomat in chicago. Phenomenal restaurant incredible reviews. They allowed us the book online and actually when i walk up front i said hey hey thanks so much for making some of the better restaurants that we wanted to eat at didn't allow you to book online yet. They didn't have that technology there and so. I told i told her thank you so much. She said that's interesting. You say that we don't take reservations any other way they said what do you mean by that then. She said well. If you wanna call us we would've told you to go online and look at some point. You guys the worlds turning here. It's obviously entered the food industry i man. I wish it was there in the auto industry right now right. I mean i would love to book a car appointments to get my maintenance done just online right now and some places i thinker doing that but it is definitely moving here and we are working with a group of buyers now between an and i don't want to date you gary but that if we if we look at buyers that are that were born with an iphone or an android phone or some form of smartphone smartphone in their mouth when they were born versus the inky like i had a call that right i don't i don't some people call a pacifier supplier. Whatever i had a pacifier to suit me kids nowadays and for the last fifteen to fifteen years were were pacified with an iphone or an android. I literally can give my four year old my phone and he knows how to navigate through that thing to find things that he wants and would much rather do that. I'll watch my teenage daughter. Who's now fourteen almost fifteen rather communicate tate via text or email or messenger or whatever not not a phone call. They don't wanna talk. They want a message. They want real time instant gratification and that's what this real time. Scheduling is offering absolutely moving in this direction another another quick join on that too is offices particularly whether it's dental whether it's food or anything else spent so much time and effort driving people to their digital presence isn't whether it be their website or their yelp listening or whatever but they're spending a ton of time driving people to that and if they don't have a real a real time scheduling component they're forcing them to choose another medium to then communicate with them so they spend all his time driving them digitally to their properties and enforce them to pick up something else to get in touch with them as opposed to having that seamless experience inside that same medium of communication which is what a one brilliant point. I wonder how many times without that online scheduling capability does the patient not pull the trigger and make the appointment in other words without alpa on there we know that somewhere between one and two percent of patients that visit a website excite or people to visit a website become patients in a traditional scenario with our platform. That's closer to three to six percent. Oh wow though if you just and if you just by adding online scheduling to a website you're going to see that amount of uptake by those that schedule into the practice which minnesota new diane restarting yeah and i know what caused the driving marketing with keith common around this. If you were spending money on any form form of marketing trying to get your patients to a landing page trying to get your patience your website and then the only option that you have on that call to action action on your pages is call the office schedule. You're missing a lot of patients but if you have that as an option call and you also have the option click here and look at my. I schedule on schedule with me today. You're going to pick up. It sounds like key double so wanted to enter converting and three to six percent with real time scheduling with your guys solution. You're seeing that's a huge increase in your marketing dollars and getting a better r._o._i. Massive performance improvement <hes> by having that available. Let me add fuel to the fire here to <hes>. You know it's interesting. <hes> i work in a coaching capacity. I talked to my clients about generational 'rational differences. You know we have to recognize the generation that our patients are in and learn how to communicate with them differently based on the generation that through the largest single generation <hes> today the largest group by generation are millennials that happened the last year <hes> where millennials became the largest group. It's interesting when i asked the question. What do you think the largest generation is. I still get answers like baby boomers. Maybe our gen xers xers nope. It's millennials. That's the largest group and you know you think about that. Millennium kids that's right. What are they want. They want the convenience venios of real time instant gratification that's provided by online scheduling <hes> they want that <hes> it well keep thank you for helping us understand what consumers want and the data <hes> <hes> data's pretty compelling and i love your point about how often when when you have online scheduling available how often that happens after hours <hes> for the most part <hes> office dental office hours <music> are fairly restricted. The are particularly consumer friendly. You know for the most part the average office that we can tell as <hes> on our platform is open between thirty four and thirty five hours a week best the average office <hes> whereas that leaves the rest of the hours for the week that there was no real good path for folks to to continue to schedule even if that's what what they needed that everybody made such a good point about how the people that we want are employed employed <hes> <hes> they may be in executive positions they may be in leadership positions in their employment and <hes> they may not be in a position to make appointments during traditional will business hours but you know maybe a six o'clock in the evening you know they're. They're ready to make an appointment. Go online and make that appointment right there at their convenience absolutely personally myself. I would never make a phone call right now. The schedule myself a dental practice during the day. I'm just way too busy eh you you're pinpointing my exact persona gary and i i go through my checklist of personal things that i need to get done and there's an occasional time time. We're out my executive. Assistant do some things for me that a personal here but for the most part. I'm handling that stuff when i'm reviewing my schedule with my wife at night and then there's as many times where i'm going to websites and if it's not convenient for me they lose me. I'm just not there to my detriment right. It's to my detriment is the patient to so we wanna talk about. Helping patients received the care they need and even care that some of the patients know they need providing this type of scheduled not the only in flexibility not only drives better performance into practice but it is enabling patients to get the care they need to stay or get healthy which is also really important in the industry that we work and live in a really good point western because i i like to think that <hes> you know my own practice lie smiles <hes> our passion is is helping patients received the care that they need and want and helping more people enjoy great oral health and i know that's the passion of many of our listeners as well so oh you raise really good point it west and i'm gonna put you on the spot here <hes> because i know how this is integrated or i know how this is going to be integrated with dental intel and especially especially with certain applications that you have such as patient finder but i don't know that all of our listeners can clearly see that roadmap and how cool this this is integrated <hes> can you share a little bit about how this is going to work and how office can literally find the right patient present the opportunity for them to have online scheduling and have it all happened seamlessly in real time with no human intervention can you can you kind of pete that picture for our listeners yup now. I don't want to jump the gun as as keith is taking our leadership position over all of our product and strategy adage and how these things tie really together because he's got that brilliant and i'm gonna call it nerdy again nerdy mind this software solution <hes> but i yeah i don't want to <hes> over rush how soon this'll be available as well at present. There's really no change to the current relationship with either dental intelligence intelligence our local meg customers. The local med brand will remain intact and continue to support all of its customers in solutions and as we move forward this combined power of these these two solutions will absolutely revolutionized the way practices identify as you kind of mentioned the right patient and schedule those best patients for practices to see see but the the the to get to help. Everyone see what's going to be happening here. Dental intel is going to use the exciting technology that we that we acquired air from local med to be able to get those patients actually scheduling and the right patients so currently right now as you know gary we have app technology that analyzes the patients in practices and services who those patients are and sometimes we're not worse surfacing who we feel are the best patients for your practice but we also as you mentioned an application within our solution called patient finder it allows you to go customized demise to you define as your best patients in your practice so they might be patients have unscheduled treatment specifically crowns that you presented in the last three months that have a remaining balance of zero dollars so they don't owe your money but they have the remaining insurance of at least five hundred dollars there show rate is over seventy five percent so you can really fine tune this and within thirty seconds have the right patients in front of you a list right in front of you well right now. What does that list require. It requires human beings to go and after we create this right patients listen who wanna see in her chair it requires our team members i get on the phone and call them and to ask them to come in in the future we will be combining these two solutions together to where when you think about recall for example gary in your practice and do you guys have a solution right. Now that you're using for recall we do and recall is one of those areas as you know. Weston and key fell all share with you as well. I'm a huge advocate of hygiene driven practice. Yeah hey man. We have fifteen days of hygiene a week. We're open monday through thursday seven a._m. To four p._m. We're open monday friday from seven a._m. To two p._m. <hes> we have fifteen days of hygiene so i have three or four days a week and one higest work three days a week and we have a wonderful solution <hes> to schedule patients. It's in by the way are <hes> <hes> one of those one of the metrics. We track thanks to you. Weston is the percentage of hygiene available hygiene appointments that are filled old are practice that go filled you know that are filled by the end of the month and <hes> just so you guys know in our listeners know the gold standard is at ninety two percent or above so in other words if you had one hundred available hygiene appointments for the month if i can fill ninety two or more of those <hes> than my scheduling coordinator in the practice gets a on the report carte last year for the last twelve months <hes> so literally from august. I <hes> twenty eighteen to july thirty first twenty nineteen gene. We operated at ninety seven percents capacity listen. How do you feel about that. That's really really good right. I mean you guys are doing phenomenal work there. So oh long areas. You're leaving time for some some new patient opportunities which i'm i'm assuming that encompasses that part of that by the way another strong long goal in our practice is to be able to schedule a new patient no longer than three days from their from their contact with our office longer than three days out and obviously the simple reason for that is we know that if we can shorten the time between between their caller their contact with her office and their first appointment the more likely they are going to be to keep appointment so we have a model set up a template setup and a scheduling system set up so we can accommodate new patients within three days now west and fewer that new patient and let's say hypothetically you said right now you're in the middle of a big project at work and mid-september is going to work better for you then we can certainly shift and giving appointment employment amid september but we could accommodate. You were recording this on a monday. We would typically be able to see you on tuesday or wednesday of this week. Based on our scheduling template to accommodate accommodate new patients your guy. That's really really good and i know that local mets scheduling allows for that to of ensuring that you're not allowing scheduling to go to <unk> overstep those flexibilities that you guys need having your practice which is great if you think about recall just that one concept now scheduling and recall by the way. Let me just fine this. This is sending out some form of communication to your unscheduled. I'm not talking about reminders talking about recall. It's getting your unscheduled hygiene patients back in your practice whether you do that a couple of months before their do whether you have some kind of message it goes out to them after they were due or combination of both which i see most practices have a combination of both they'll reach out to a couple of months before and then at they're past due the reach out to him the moment past due and they generally will do this in a mass communication whether that postcards whether that's <hes> <hes> <hes> a text message solution from a patient communication platform southward the purchasing such as the demand for solution reach war weather that that is <hes> via phone calls. There's some form of recall that you have going on in your practice. Here's the deal when you do your recall right now. What you guys have available in your practice. Management software is a list of your unscheduled hygiene patients well. Here's the question. I'd like you all to think about. Just pause for a minute on. Are all your hygiene. Unscheduled patients are all the unscheduled hiding patients equal. Are they all equal or are there better her or they're better patients that you would rather have in your chair than other patients. This is the power of the analytics available in dental intel. I can guarantee you that there are better hygiene patients to see i would much rather see a hygiene patient that i know needs some restorative care and on talk of that will accept the restored of care at a higher rate and on top of that that don't have balances that have high show rates that have a high acceptance acceptance rate of treatment when i'm presenting them you can start using analytics to really hone in on the right patients because if you go back to the very beginning of this podcast gas scary i told you right now in order for all of our practices unscheduled patients to be scheduled they would have to increase their auditory almost by four or <unk> if they maintain their same open scheduled timeframe. That's a law so if that's the case we don't want to just send recall out to every single unscheduled unscheduled patient we want to target the right patients and that really is the power of analytics as being able to help your team members understand who those right patients are but as we start coming together and keep really wraps his mind around how we really come these technologies together eventually and hopefully within in some form of near time future. It'll be this analytics around patients sending out the links to those right patients for real time scheduling so there's no human being involved and we are absolutely billing your chairs not just with patients but with the right patients those that need the care you're those will accept the care and those that will pay for the care and those are the three most important things that we need to be looking at those that need it those that will accept it and those who will pay for it and analytics can comb through and identify who those patients are and separate those that will will not accept it. Maybe they need it but they just don't say yes to you or maybe they say yes to you but they never make their payments on time or in a relatively timely fashion and so let us analyze this for you and then let us send link out there so there's keith mentioned earlier. We're not just driving a bunch. More phone calls because that's the the last thing we need. We need a vicious happening these practices so that we can do more and better dentistry western keith. I have a mentor in torture <hes> in in my life a posthumously sadly he passed away in two thousand twelve <hes> but it was the legendary u._c._l._a. Basketball coach john wouldn't western you and i have talked about john wooden in the past and <hes> <hes> keith. I imagine when you and i get together. I'll probably share john wooden or two story. Worry with you now and again we will you allow me that absolutely so <hes> coach wooden has <hes> i have a collection of sayings <hes> for coach wooden from coach wooden that are <hes> just classic they they they are <hes> fundamental truths that we we need reminders now and again. Here's one of those coach wooden said don't mistake activity for achievement. Don't mistake activity for achievement. I believe that's what you just said. I think coach wooden is smiling on us right now. Saying you are helping your clients to avoid mistaking activity for achievement would that be correct activities in oregon in but not without any form of successes right so i would one hundred percent agree with you and we can get excesses more efficiently reach those milestones more efficiently because technology makes that available. If you think about our industry gary there is so many dollars in investments vestments and even in the dental practices that they put into efficiencies of the clinical aspect. I mean you look at the cameras that we have now. There's there's so much money. Put into those efficiencies to really help you build a diagnosis present better. But how much are we adopting the business. Efficiencies sees and making sure we're getting the right patients at the right time in our schedule and that technology is just equally as impactful on patient patient healthcare and performance practice than the clinical technology and so i would agree it reduces activity and gets more success you know one of the things that comes to mind and for me <hes> as a as a coach <hes> i noticed that many offices don't really have a good scheduling system in place or maybe they had one but it morphed over time in degraded over time where the reality is as we're sitting here today. They don't really have a scheduling system keith. It strikes me that local med can be an excellent way to maintain a system in place in the practice that works for the practice and for the patient and it could be a great way to systematize that element of the practice where it's got loose and sloppy so <hes> <hes> we see every scheduling theory and concept under the sun at the number of offices that we deal with and one of the things things that we hear a lot from doctors as feedback is that when they set the rules in conjunction with their their staff is there's no no more slipping in a friends at certain times or double booking things because somebody was really upset and wanted to get in or whatever the reasons at the other staff does. Is this gives them. I won't call it. It's not rigidity. It's more of just a a template that says hey. These are the rules that we want to adhere to. It does not mean it's it's not it's not overbearing structure but it's just been changed it and if they if they i find something works a little better for them and then they can certainly alter the rules when they set something up with us they continue to have full control of making the changes that they see fit <hes> but it does give them that framework that is consistent of from day to day that doesn't <hes> doesn't doesn't have fat days doesn't take off days or doesn't call in sick <hes> it it gives them that constant structure that they can in <hes> work work their practice off of right right. Hey as we come into the finish line here kind of come into the home stretch here. I have a question for each of you and western. I'll start with you. <hes> it'll ask the same question to you. Keith <hes> both of you <hes> are amazing leaders and you're leading <hes> <hes> large organizations organizations <hes> and dentist <hes> often struggle with with the concept of leadership. I've received a lot of emails from our listeners recently asking for specific tips that to how they can improve their leadership <hes> western put you on the spot first and then i'll ask you keith. Can you share a leadership tip for the dentist that are listening to this that might help them become more effective leaders in their practice. Yeah absolutely eighteen. I sorry i'm losing my voice. Your your team needs to be front and center all time in your mind one hundred percent. If you have happy team members you're going to have happy returning asians and <hes> same here at dental intel when we when we put all of our efforts as leaders on our team and helping empower them to really own and take responsibility and all of the rewards and even disappointments around what their roles are in the practice and our number one job is to serve them to make them better our customers tend to thrive and and they tend to write raving reviews about dental intel when we stop losing focus about our team members that's when we start not having as happy customers customers and i would say that that transfers one hundred percent to dentistry than their patients if your team is happy when you come in the office. They're going to be more passionate about presenting treatment about making sure patients get the care. They need about making sure that their payment plans and options are presented in a way that you want them to be presented so the treatment can get done. You've got to put your focus on your team keith. Let me put you on that same spot with the same question. You're also an amazing leader. You've developed develop an incredible <hes> team <hes> their local met <hes>. What tip would you offer our listeners to improve their leadership within their dental practice so not to i don't wanna just parrot what <hes> what western had to say so i'll kind of go to the next one which is always ask why so so when you're doing whatever it is that you're looking to accomplish of. Ask why you're trying to accomplish that. Does it fit within your goals. Just because you did something one way yesterday does not mean you have to do it the next day if you learn something in the interim and if you continually ask that question of why am i doing doing this this way it will allow you to continue to evolve <hes> and learn from the day to day and everything else within your business indoor practice so that you can continually find <hes> the best solutions for whatever those problems are that you're trying to solve you know keith. We really really do have a darwinian. <hes> phenomenon going on in dentistry right now those that evolve will will continue to stay relevant and thrive thrive those that fail to evolve might become extinct. I'm being a little dramatic there with the language but a truly truly when you look at you know you look at the dental profession today that the dentists are divided firmly in two camps those that are evolving thing and those that are not and the ones that are evolving are absolutely thriving in the changing environment that we practice and we'll continue to thrive because they're constantly evolving and i'd like to think they're our listeners. You know you're driving. Dennis show <hes> because they want to stay on top of the latest advances so <hes> <hes> <hes> it keeps you bring up a wonderful wonderful point. Ask why and revisit that with our team members every chance we get so they know why we're doing things <hes> and also also <hes> that you have some challenge within your business so that if evolution is necessary you can stay on top of that evolution <hes> well western keith. I want to thank you both <hes>. Thanks for your passion for our profession. <hes> thanks for your leadership. I'm excited about this. <hes> this acquisition <hes> <hes> western. I'm gonna put in the in the show notes first of all. I'll put a link to both of your websites in the show notes so if you're listening to this you can just go to thriving dennis dot com in the show notes. There'll be a link. Don't take your hands off the wheel. <hes> we advocate safe podcast listening <hes> so when you get a chance go to the show notes <hes> click on those links and you can learn more about dental intel and and more about local med <hes> western also put a a a link to a <hes> practice snapshot <hes>. Would you share what that is with our listeners so they'll they'll know what's available to them yeah in fact. We'll just make it super simple for you. Guys basically earliest snapshot is just a free analysis which we we will install our application rob your data at and present it to you so that you can see your strengths and weaknesses and weaknesses by the way are just opportunities. Maybe i should have said strengths and opportunities so opportunities really improve and if we think about the time brain that we are right now in two thousand nineteen we have a little over a quarter to really still try to target reach our goals. Were not there yet and some great things can happen at the end of the year especially as we as we're approaching now more system monetize type scheduling schools getting back and so this is a great opportunity. Take for you to get a look at your practice. I've heard gary from multiple dockers that when they get off with one of our analysts on one of these free thirty minute review of your practiced guessed that that was the most valuable time that they've spent in all the hours of their past ten years dentistry. We hear that statement constantly land so this free analysis just wait for a way for you to really quickly identify what is working and where some great opportunities for you to relate celebrate growth living lament lament that western as you know. I've i've seen many many many of these snapshots and every single time the dentist pissed has learned information about his or her practice that they did not know before yeah for sure and that's what you have to be careful about. Absolutes like always always never but every single time the dentist has learned significant things about their practice that they didn't know before that snapshot and and again i'll i'll reiterate that's available at no cost to thriving dennis show listeners. I'll put a link in the show notes. <hes> i went encourage you to get that snapshot and learn things about your practice that you don't don't already know and really get on board for the exciting things that are happening <hes> with <hes> the combination of <hes> dental intelligence and and local men <hes> so keith and in western thank you both thanks for your leadership. Thanks for your passion. Thanks for your wisdom. <hes> thanks for your commitment to your clients. You guys are rockstars and a. and thanks for your time today on the podcast scary for sharing thank you very much. I also want to thank our listeners. We love what we do here. In the thriving dentist show we couldn't do it without u. <hes> three things you can do to support our work a number one. You can tell a colleague about dental podcasts and point them to the thriving dennis. Show a second thing you can do. You can write us review you on. I tunes a review on itunes worked very much like a positive review works for your practice and the third thing you can do you can hit the subscribe button you can do that on itunes or google play or whatever your podcast high-caste rectory of choices they all have subscribed buttons if you hit subscribed that means that every wednesday when we put a new show it'll be automatically uploaded to. You're listening device. <hes> for your convenience gets on that note. Let me thank you for the privilege of your time and tell you look for to connect with you on the next driving to show when you uh-huh sure i'll l. be sure and let them know they have one when you who died show the inside because the pain was soon they go when you train as big as and renewed dream by trump when you train three.

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LW1158 - Today's Creative Challenge

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12:44 min | 1 year ago

LW1158 - Today's Creative Challenge

"If you like Brooks Jensen's podcasts, check out his new video series, titled. Here's a thought these short one to two minute videos will give you a daily dose of creativity. And something to think about the three most recent videos are available to everyone at daily dot lens, work dot com. The entire back episode archive is always available to members of lens work online. Here's the editor of lens work publishing. Brooks jackson. If you've been following along with this series of podcast, you know, just recently returned from photo Lucija where I had a chance to review, oh, roughly sixty portfolios, and I saw a trend that I think is very interesting, and I'd like to share that with you here in this podcast. And it starts with an acknowledgement that I saw at photo Lucija an unbelievable number of really terrific footer graphs. Lots and lots and lots of them. And you know, if we look back in history that statement takes on a different perspective. Think back a generation or two let's think about, you know, Ansel Adams Edward Weston in that generation of photographers, and how incredibly difficult it was for them to make a really terrific print, particularly a really terrific large print which in those days was maybe sixteen by twenty inches. Something like that. When they made a fantastic print that was beautifully crafted and had exquisite tones and cetera. And they showed it to an audience the audience would applaud simply because the -ccomplish -ment of their print was so fantastic. Of course, they still had to have emotional, content and composition and all the rest of it. That makes great photograph. But the wow factor was just about as much based on the technical accomplishment as it was on anything else because the materials they had to work with were so primitive and so stubborn and so almost impossible. And so lots of us who started our careers in the wet darkroom know, exactly what an accomplishment an Ansel Adams had when he made those gorgeous large prints. It was amazing. But now, let's move forward in time to today. I probably saw in the last week somewhere in the neighborhood of I don't know, maybe three or four thousand fantastically crafted, photographs using all kinds of media all kinds of presentations Fanta. I didn't see a bad photograph in the entire of aunt. So doesn't it seem obvious that the challenges that the previous generations of Tigers had is different than the challenges? We had what was a fantastic accomplishment for them back. Then is sort of the beginning point for us making a well crafted photograph today is let's be honest, pretty easy. The tools and machines and the technology that we have at our disposal today. Make the creation of a stunning photograph. Just not that big of an accomplishment. So back, then they're great challenge was to manifest technological competence in service of an artistic statement. But today, we don't have that same challenge of technological competence. Yeah. We have to know computers. Yeah. The cameras more complex, but it's relatively easy and thousands of people are accomplishing it on a regular basis. So what is our great challenge today? Will the answer to that question really showed up when I was reviewing the portfolios at photo Sita because almost every one of the photographers started from the same position that is to say they had a pile of prince portfolio box. Lots of great images, and some form of idea the projects were about something, and they were trying to communicate that, but very few of them, did it successfully. Instead what they had was sort of a series of questions. How do I get where I want to go, and maybe they came up with some rather wrote answers. I want an exhibition or I want a book, but they didn't really have any ideas about how they wanted to have an exhibition or what the exhibition would look like or how the book would be formatted and produced, and what the content of the book would be what they had was a pilot prince in an idea and that led me. To remember something had written in a previous editors commented lens work. So we talked about it a lot at footer Lucija. And that's this idea, by the way. I apologize for the word. I wish I could come up with a better word, but it's the best one I've come up with and that is the idea of packaging our artwork for consumption by viewers. How do we package it? How do we put it all together? How do we convert it from a pile of prints into some form of finished media that we can share with people that's going to involve all kinds of interim decisions like how do we title project, which I'll talk about in another podcast which images? Do we use? What's the sequence we should use? How about the scale? How big should be. Should I make giant wall prints, or should I make relatively small prints is this project appropriate for a gallery wall? Or is it better for a book? Or is it better? For multimedia presentation, what kind of medium, should I use to manifest this project in its completed form, and what I found universally at foothill Sita was there were only one or two photographers who had thought this through all the rest of them were right up against that question. How do I finish this? How do I package it? What form does it take? And then they got stuck. I think it's the great challenge for today's generation of otographer is to think these issues through I found many many photographers who said I want an exhibition. Okay, fine. Well, let's look at the gallery world what water what galleries tend to do these days. And I tried to explain to them. That galleries fall into one of three basic types. There are some others, but three basic types and the three basic types are it goes good above the couch. That is. To say, they're basically selling decor. Then there are galleries who sell photographs that are great collectible and probably investment collectible images because they're made by famous dead guys. None of the people at fulfill Lucy fit that category. And the third kind of galleries are those who exist in support of a cause they have some cause that they believe in. Maybe it's a social cause or a political cause or something else. But they exist for the purpose of supporting the cost. So if they're just to take an example, if their causes save the whales, and you have a save the whales kind of project, they might be interested in it. But if they're interested in save the whales, and you have a project about immigration. They're not going to be interested in your project at all because it doesn't serve their cause. And many many times when I clarify. Died. What galleries do suddenly the photographer saw that? Maybe that's not such a great idea. So they'd say, well, okay. What I want is a book I want to complete this as a book, and when they would say they wanted to finish a book, then we'd have a conversation about what a book is a book is a commercial commodity. It's not a great way to complete a project or to have a project validated because it's incredibly expensive. And I cannot tell you the number of otographer, I know who have, you know, five hundred thousand copies of their book sitting in their garage getting older every day because they don't know what to do with them a book exists because there's a market for it. There's no other reason to produce a book. I haven't think of it this way if you were manufacturing clock radios instead of artwork, you would ask questions like what can we Bill? As a clock radio manufactured. That's not currently being supplied in the marketplace. And are there people who are interested in buying such a clock radio? And can we manufacture it at the price that the consumer wants to pay will those are very odd? Questions to ask about artwork, particularly if it's self motivated personally expressive artwork. You don't wanna have to modify what you make for the marketplace? But that's oftentimes what happens in a book a book is a commercial commodity. There are other ways you can achieve a completion to a project other media that might be more appropriate unless expensive there's other ways to get validation for your project other than a commercially printed book, so exhibition and book publication are absolutely the robotic answers that most photographers give when asked about what it is that they would. Like to do with their project, but an exhibition in a book or not always the best answer. And in fact, are rarely the best answer. Which is why I continue to say that the great challenge for our generation of Taga Fers is to figure out how to package our work for consumption. What makes sense both in terms of what people are interested in seeing what we're interested in spending. How we're going to distribute work and that only addresses the questions about media, then there's also the questions about content. How do we title it? What's our tax? Do we use text and image combinations? Or not how big these prints need to be in order to be comprehended in their totality. How small can they be before they start to fail to communicate or do? They actually strengthen if they get smaller. Is it best to take the work and push it a little harder towards the? Documentary end of the scale that is to say, you're describing the world or is it better to push it towards the fictional end of the scale where you're doing first person experiential or out and out photo fiction. These are questions about how we finish the work and how we package the work, and how we move from a pilot prints with a motivating idea that holds them together in our mind into a finished something or other that connects with an audience so that they understand the content of what it is that we're trying to say that is today's great challenge packaging our work for consumption. It's a brave new world out there with lots of possibilities. And it by default requires from us today's photographers a lot of creativity to think about how we're going to share our work. And I might add with whom. Time is running out to submit your entries to our final seeing in sixes book deadline for entries is June sixteenth twenty nineteen everyone who enters will receive a book, whether or not your work is selected for publication. Don't miss this chance to be a part of the final book in our four book series. Visit WWW dot lens work dot com. 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LW1184 - More on Content and Performance

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17:08 min | 9 months ago

LW1184 - More on Content and Performance

"Here's the editor of Lens Work Publishing Brooks Jensen in my last podcast. I was engaged and challenging you to go with me in a little bit of a thought experiment about the difference between content and performance when it comes to art and we look at painting and novels and ballet and photography of course. Well I have a few more thoughts about content and performance that are related to that podcast but extensions of the things that I was thinking about during that little bit of a thought experiment and I want to sort of complete the thought experiment here with these observations. The first of which is I want to take a look at the difference in quality of commercial offset printing in the last well couple dozen years at least and the way of often talked about this in my workshops and seminars this imagine Edward Weston in the nineteen thirties wanting to produce his now famous book. Mike Cameron Point Lobos and he went to the commercial printers of his day. And said here's my original prints. And as we can imagine they were absolutely spectacular gorgeous gelatin silver prints and he wanted them to be reproduced in a book. Well the limits of the capabilities of printing in those days were pretty severe and he had that book printed in what at the time was the very best quality printing that was available in terms of half tone DOTS? And that was one hundred and eighty five lines. Green half tone dots which is not as good as what we today see in a newspaper like USA Today so think about the quality of reproduction. That happened back then. Compared to his original prints there is a huge gap between his original gelatin silver print and the reproduction of his gelatin. Silver print in commercial offset printing. Well FAST FORWARD TO TODAY AND COMMERCIAL OFFSET. Printing has improved dramatically over the last fifty years. We now have things. Like ten and twenty micron dots to casting screens that are for all intents and purposes indistinguishable from original gelatin. Silver prints you have to have a loop in order to see the differences. The the D Max. Densities are the same as what we can get in a toned gelatin. Silver print sometimes even more. The size of the DOTS is so small. You literally can't see it with the human eye anymore than you can see the grain and Jones over materials so the difference between a well printed commercially offset reproduction. An original print is just not what it used to be jealous. Overprint aren't any better well. They're not significantly better today than they were back in. Nineteen thirty and so that standard is relatively unmoved but the standard of commercial printing has improved so dramatically that now there's very little difference between a reproduction and an original print and the way I tend to think about that is this. Let's say for example. That print had a potential maximum enjoyment on the enjoyment scale. I'll invent that of one hundred. And when we looked at an original jealous overprint in nineteen thirty from Edward Weston. We would see something that would be quality one hundred what was the quality of the commercially offset reproduction. That showed up in his books. Well it might have been twenty five so that huge difference between what we saw on a reproduction and what we saw. An original print has been almost completely eliminated so now if a JOE silver print is one hundred and two. Let's say become today's papers or a little better than they were back then although somewhat argued that that's maybe not the case but let's just pretend like it is jealous over papers are a little better d. Max's a little better. Our processing techniques are a little better so honored to maybe a hundred and five but commercial offset printing is also now at about a hundred or ninety eight or sometimes one hundred and two and so what is the difference between the potential enjoyment of an image and the actual enjoyment of an image relative to what we see with our eyeballs. And they're pretty much the same. So looping back to the idea of content and performance. Isn't it sort of strange that in our times here in I'm recording this and twenty twenty that the difference between an original print and a reproduction of an original print is so small that we essentially get the same performance experience whether we're looking at an original print in a gallery or we're looking at a reproduction in a book? So what does that say about the relative importance of content and performance in today's Jones over prints compared to back then? I've often heard the story of a photographer in the Mid Twentieth Century. Who said they got turned onto photography somehow or another? They saw book. They saw some photographs that they were excited about and then sometime later as they became more and more interested in photography they saw an exhibition of original prints and were simply blown away because they had no idea. Original prints could look at good. Well my proposal is that basically today's photographers don't have that experience at all because the difference between a reproduction and by the way that could be even on an ipad or a computer screen is so good that they don't have the differential that previous generations had when they compare what they've seen in a reproduction on a computer monitor in a book and poster compared to an original print so they they're completely missing that of the experience that earlier generations of photographers and photography enthusiasts. Saw so that. That's one thing that's worth thinking about a little bit. The second thing that's worth thinking about is what happens. Then to differentiate in today's world and original print from a reproduction and book. Well if it's not quality what else is left and the obvious thing is the scale. That's the first thing we can do is weaken make original prints that are much much larger than any book and so with a forty four inch printer or sixty four inch printer. Whatever we can make these giant bureau prints that are not what we see in a book simply because the physicality book it go that large. And I think that's why lots and lots of photographers are now. Making really huge prints and why we see huge prints in the gallery. So much is because it's a way to differentiate between an original piece of work that is to say the artifact in performance that differentiates it from a reproduction in booker poster. Such thing and so there again when photography has the ability to emphasize content or emphasize performance if the emphasis on performance has been eliminated because the improvements in technology than what we have to do is explore other ways to bring performance issues back into photography and scale is one of them. Another one obviously is handwork. And so we're seeing lots and lots of photographers. Now who are interested in doing alternative processes that involve handwork like coating platinum palladium paper or hand coding gum by chrome eight emotions etc drawing on photographs and adding handwork? To the surface of the photograph. Those are always to bring the idea of performance back into photography. And besides it's a lot of fun to do so lots of photographers are interested in doing that. But I think what's deep behind the motivations to do that is not just the fun and not just the enjoyment of the handwork aspects of photography. But it's also away bring performance back which of course is related to marketability and the unique print and all of that that is so obviously evident in painting that gets to some degree diminished when we consider photography as a reproductive medium like commercial offset printing or whatever so we have scale and handwork as important today to bring performance back into the production of finance photograph. But I'm not done yet because there's one more thought that occurred to me. That is really interesting to me. And that's this. How do you know the Work of Master photographers well? There's the possibility that you have seen original prints from masters in Gallery Exhibitions. Because they're out there. And you can go to a gallery and you can see original Edward Weston prints and original whoever pranced there on display somewhere in galleries museums etc. But my contention would be that. Most of US know most of the photography that we know from the Masters based on what we've seen in books and reproductions and in particular in the high quality reproductions of modern books. Let's say from the nineteen eighties forward after the invention of do tone and Triton printing and very high technology lines Greens tastic screens etc. Think of really well printed books. That's how most of us know most of the work that we know. I've seen a number of ansel adams original prints so I could say well. Okay I know ansel Adams based on original prints but I know most of the images that I am familiar with from ansel Adams. Not Because I've seen original prints because I'm only seen probably a couple dozen or maybe maybe as many as fifty if I were to really go back and look at it. But I've seen way. More than fifty ansel Adams images and I could say the same thing about Wynn bullock and I could say the same thing about Edward Weston and all of my other photographic. He rose both from yesteryear. And even today I've seen for example. Lots and lots of Bruce Barn bomb and John sexton original prints. Because I've attended their workshops but I know many more images from their books than I've seen in the flashes at were just as seen in original prints and that says nothing about some more obscure photographers. Whose work I really enjoy and have never seen an original print. The most obvious photographer that comes to mind when I say that is Yosef Sudik. I've never seen an original Yosef SUDIK PRINT. I'd love to and if there was an exhibition of his work. I'd be right there because I love his work so much but I only know it at this. Point from reproductions in books. Compare that to how we know our own work or let's say the work of our friends and photographic peers my friends in photographic peers work. I know primarily because I've seen their original prints when we get together we bring a box of Prince and we share it back and forth so I know all of their work from original prints but I know. Many many many master's works only through reproductions but yet they're the masters even though. I only know them from reproductions. Isn't that interesting? So wouldn't you assume that if performance was the big big big deal in photography that seeing original prints would be way more important than seeing reproductions in which case then wouldn't I tend to think that my photographic peers and friends are at the top of the pile in terms of photographic expertise? I would place them way up on a pedestal because if seen original work where I wouldn't place the masters of photography on a pedestal. Because I've only seen them in reproductions but in fact it's the other way round that although lots of my friends are really terrific photographers. You know I don't think any of them would measure equally well with Edward. Weston or ansel Adams in terms of the history of photography in the importance of the work that they do and it's et Cetera so evidently seeing an original photographic print is not as persuasive as we might tend to think based on the importance of performance in art in photography. It appears as though performances a big deal. But when you get right down to it I'd rather have a photograph that has fabulous content. And let's say adequate to excellent performance in a reproductive medium like commercial offset printing. Then I would an inferior photograph with maybe not quite the content but an excellent performance. Because I'm looking at original print so the fact that we know the work of masters through. High Quality reproductions but we know our own work in our friends work and our voter graphic peers work through original work. That's a fascinating thing to me. 'cause it's a completely different experience that doesn't necessarily lead us to the conclusions. We would assume well this thought experiment could probably go on. But I'll let you do that on your on. The point I'm trying to make is when we think about photography and our photography I think it is really important to think carefully about this business of content and performance what we're saying with our artwork versus the means of producing our work and as I mentioned in the last podcast sometimes. The performance is more important than the content. Sometimes the content is more important than the performance because there are so many ways to think about this and so many things that influence it relative to as I've mentioned here. The quality of offset printing the potential enjoyment versus what we actually do the scale the physicality and the handwork and the prince how people know our work versus the work of the masters boy. There's a lot to think about in this issue and it gets more interesting. The more I think about it. Get your entries. Ready in twenty twenty. We are shifting gears from six image projects outstanding single images titled Our Magnificent Planet. Are Themed Twenty. Twenty Book Project is for those of you who prefer to create a standalone standout. Imag- imagine a book of three hundred exceptional examples of the most successful landscape images. Made by Lens Work Readers. Everyone who enters will receive a book whether or not you're working selected for publication visit. Www dot lens work dot com for entry form and instructions deadline for entries is May Thirty First Twenty Twenty Copyright Twenty Twenty publishing.

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Love Island US Week 4 Recap

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1:34:15 hr | 1 year ago

Love Island US Week 4 Recap

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Some things safety features not available on Jack's and hello everyone and welcome to week four of our Love Island U._S._A.. They were happy. I'm your host person. McKenna's and I enjoined as always by Ryan's Galley skelly. How's it going? I am good. I'm excited to go into what is going to be the last week <unk> of Love Island especially knowing that it's not the last week of Love Island U._S.. For ever since we found out we are getting a season to officially yes. We definitely don't want to be the lead C._B._S.. Renewed Love Island which is so exciting like. I don't really think any of US expected that at the start of this and then the ratings are kind of middling by yeah. It's coming back so that's very exciting. I'm excited see I was was the one who is optimistic last week. You were all down on it but see where it went. We manifested it. Okay we can agree. We'll share that <hes> we saw. I think I sent you like mid week. Maybe last week there was an article with a C._B._S.. Executive who was saying okay yeah like obviously would rather the ratings on C._B._S.. Yes to be better but in terms of it's been our strongest streaming show the it's trending almost every night on twitter so they were measuring like different types of success for the show and I'm glad that they did because I do think that it's not typically what the C._B._S.. Audience will go for but I think it's a strong brand and someone else would have bought it at they held onto it yeah absolutely and in the article I saw with the renewal was that you you know season one of the U._K.. Version was also not a huge head but after the the first season the fans release spread the word using word of mouth and they think that the fan base bro Love Island U._S._A.. Is Similarly engaged so it's very exciting. I also have some other news. That's a blindside for you as well. scally <hes> so on Tuesday I'm going to be talking to casual in Yemen is going to be on one call really interesting. I'm trying you see an interview with Winston as well and then Wednesday night. I'm going to be talking to the winning couple. That's exciting the winning couple. Oh look at that. I did not expect that I'm excited. I don't know more excited excited for the winning couple or Cashel to be honest yeah I don't I know because there's just so many people that it's like would love to talk to all of them but it just is that so much time <music>. I'm you know I have a fulltime job and unfortunately that's not interviewing lavalin contestants so I emailed asking if I could get anymore and saying I really I wanted to talk to Winston and Cashel so happening is great news. Yeah I mean especially. There's some people where you know they go on the show. I don't know if we need to hear from them more on the podcast than we did on the show itself so especially the ones that you listed. I am excited to listen to yes. That's should be coming out next next week really exciting as you said. This was the last full week of Lem Island so we only have three more episodes next week to cover and yeah so. Let's jump Ventoux it at the start of the week. I know it feels like it was ten years ago. We had the couple's Weston and Kelsey Rey and Carro Dylan and Alexandra Zach and Elizabeth Correia and Eric Engleman and Asada and it's so nice not having seventeen people. I'm very glad that we don't have to go through everyone. I know he's made a couple of mix ups here and there but we're down to twelve and luckily this seems to be spoiler alert. We're getting a couple of newbies and it's the last back I mean. I can't imagine how they would have made it work to add any more. A lot of this week is Kiera <hes> related drama so it starts out with Keira being very upset that casual is gone and she says things like one who knew her best she feels lost without him and she like actively does not want Eric the man that she chose to comfort her yeah not great I think like we said Kira had expressed in the past that sometimes when things get serious she tends to run from it and maybe maybe starting to see what happens. When that is the case yeah definitely a bit of a Yoyo situation with her? We also also here Elizabeth talking about how amazing Katrina was and I just am kind of sad that we didn't really get to see too much of that. <hes> Katrina one of the ones that I'm not upset that were maybe not getting an exit interview from that is true that is true. I mean gene superior. Apparently she's great but not really much screen time on the season. I definitely so then arrogant care have a conversation eric is expressing not he's trying signed to give her space because you don't really know how someone grieves after only four days but she hasn't really communicating with him he thinks that she's still will hop on Cashel and he says he is not going to be put on a back-burner. There was something out there for him and he is going to find it. He doesn't seem like they're actually actually maybe something out there for him. In terms of violent by this is actually one point where I do agree with Eric in terms of or at least I sympathize where he he says I don't know how someone grieves and typically I find that most people will want to comfort someone in the same way that they want someone to handle them when they are going through something and so if Eric WanNa be on his own like I don't blame him at all for giving her space. It may end up. I don't know if he really could've salvaged anything if he had open more on top of her. I'd see I feel like the thing is if he had been spending more time with her. She would have just resented him for not being casual like he really wasn't a no win situation and I I think he's absolutely right that she's still caught up on cashel which obviously comes out as the week progresses definitely Jira ripples away Eric pulls away. It's mutual at this point. It's fine. They were never meant to be. I'm we also at a super q caroline racy and talking about how they don't I want to waste time and they want to focus on each other and they are so finally a stackable couple. I'm so happy I feel like Carolyn Ray like really really shined this week. We'll talk about it all throughout but I feel like finally maybe we're getting a nother contending couple contending for the winter. I'm definitely on the same page with that one I think I think they have a good shot. I hope we get western Kelsey talking about how you have to move fast in here. Western hates it but he loves it and I'm Sir on your first day second. Whatever on one of a very early date you said you could see yourself coming home to this woman? Don't talk about how you hate going fast. Oh I'm ready to have you meet my family after six hours but I hate this like okay. I feel like you're really well suited actually yeah I think he socks a little bit. Maybe more than a little bit. I think we were overrating him. Last week has discussed the difference in Western was underrated and was proven to be false. Yeah no no he's still overrated and we were right because we're always right because we're great so Garrett talks to Kelsey asks asks calcium. She'd be open to getting to know new guys healthy size chain wants to have talked about it and it would only be fair but she feels like they're doing amazing. CAROUSELS was the hidden catch of the villa. This is something that was discussed like Oh like exactly. It's the same concept where Oh he's underrated. He's hitting Gach and really definitely singing a different tune by the end of this week. Yeah I feel like true catches. Don't really stay hidden that much or at least not for so long especially when you're hanging out with them twenty four seven lily literally our feels like a day a rate so then they play a quotation marks game called true feelings all islanders blindfolded in theory. I guess to play blind man's bluff like it's like the seventeen hundreds or whatever but it's just an opportunity for new islanders to come in on Jet Skis and join the game to surprise them and the reactions where the like pretty funny when the came off another thing they've done in the U._k.. Before I think it was like a good way considering told them to watch the U._K.. I wonder how many of them were genuinely surprised. I feel like most of them probably haven't gotten every episode but it was really funny to see them like pull off their blindfolds and just book. There's three new people there yeah and it's always like I feel like that's why Arielle can get away with sneaking in so much because they're at the point where they're so user just like looking over and seeing a new awesome so our new islanders are jared who is twenty seven and a real estate agent from Lauretta Anton who has twenty four and a personal personal trainer. I have no idea where from and Emily who's a college student from Long Island. whose is the boys watch out? I'm coming for you. Girls Watch out on coming for your boys yeah and I'm coming for some of them as well potentially <hes> maybe not as strongly as some of US and Kiro era may have wished emily has really been a breakout star this week eight's emily very very beautiful girl but I literally every single person coming got him that emily is so hot and I'm not GonNa like she's beautiful but I didn't realize that she's like the universal attraction you know in a villa full of all hot people. It's easy to be like oh which one is hotter than the other but like emily is a gorgeous girl. There's no doubt even you could see like all the girls all my God like I'm so jealous like immediately they really jealous but the words they used and like emily has her pick of the litter here here absolutely we also get I carol apparently is super into Asian. Men and Anton is very much her type. I bet she is apparently not interested. Yeah something extremely exciting. I feel like really looking back. I don't think we had any Asian Asian men or women on this season. We had Katrina that is true but she was barely on the season so I was excited. especially like Asian men are under represented on most shows in general especially dating shows so I mean I know in the entire run of the real world which had like thirty something seasons. They didn't have like one Asian man on the show or at least East East Asian man so I I was excited for Anton to get his shot only for that to be shot down very quickly. Yeah I feel so bad for him that he was brought in so late like it's great at they did bring in an Asian man however they definitely should have done so earlier on to actually give him a shot and Anton is super hot yeah. I think it probably because as we've seen they were doing casting throughout the season so maybe they just didn't discover him. I know there is a lot of recruiting on love island like the last season of Love Island on U._k.. Out of the numerous people that came in they said only six people had applied so maybe they just didn't find him. Maybe he didn't apply to later but obviously I wished that he had gotten a shot earlier and maybe they should do a better shot at finding an Asian man to diversify the cast for season two yeah debt like they did like compared to a lot of the reality shows. The diversity is definitely a lot but yeah it's still always room to improve. We get seen of Dylan saying that he thinks emily super hot that she's the most his type physically that we've seen and not side like okay Dylan fine. Whatever yeah yeah this is where I don't know if it was this week or maybe even the week before? I've gotten like a little nervous about dylan like a little sketched out where I feel like if emily did show interest because I really don't feel at all that Dylan may have strayed. I think Dylan might just be playing the game. Uh I don't disagree so that's always good to watch. We got us. You know Kelsey just like asking Emily O.. Eilly have you ever history girl when you're telling you got that outweigh more clearly than CALC- was able to just like falling over self as if it's like the most scandalous wunderlist question she's ever asked in her life. I don't know why it's the first question coming out of Chelsea's mouth but I also don't know why she's so nervous to ask. I guess Kelsey is like Oh. My God this of Cross hot. It'd be Kelsey was making the move just like you're. I'm in. Maybe healthy just wanted to get drunk against her. I don't know unle if Kelsey and emily got better got together and then Western got sent home. That would have been scenario dream Yeah. It's always always I always find it released surprising when like people in their twenties or like oh no. I've never kissed a girl when I'm drunk. I think everyone has but I guess super nervous. All of a sudden western has issues with Kelsey. Yeah yeah seemingly would say overnight but it seems like over a couple of minutes west five minutes not even maybe the thirty seconds that it took apple APP elites who is the over blindfold blindfold came off over it with some of the rudest things I've ever heard like if someone called me quote like so simple like I would not be really thrilled with that description. I'm sorry where does Weston have the right to call anybody simple. I think I think he's probably the most simple person there yeah I. I don't know he's like oh well. I would really open a bunch of doors for her. which would be so great for her as okay? Who Do you think you are like? She's fine and also guess what if she wants to stay home and wants to settle down and doesn't want to go skydiving. That's also fine so I don't get why like sky wanting to go skydiving diving snorkeling dealbreakers for West and all the sudden I just it's like Western. If you were so great you wouldn't be the hidden catch of the villa. Ah You would just be the catch of the villa yeah. It was weird. It's like for Kelsey. She didn't see this immediately early but it was like a where beyond red flags like blaring alarm bells are going off with Western all season pretty much but it's like a where did this come from. He is made made a red flags. We also got that Jerry Kira Alex recommence. You'll make your move. I'll help you out loud and he mentioned that he wanted to join the airforce but they denied him because of his his pinup Tattoo quick little story but honestly fleet. I don't love Tattoo but I would get it to avoid the air force also found so fake. I've seen so many military people with much lake. Maybe in I don't know like my dad has a tattoo of their fucking grim reaper. I Dunno industry standards are but it was was like okay whatever jared also seems to be suffering from the weird like red eye affliction the Caros been dealing with all summer but it was funny to see Alex because Alex was one of the women telling here like I would never ever recommend going with Eric so as soon as someone else's insecure Alex is like let me help you need to help get her away from Eric Yeah she said at the beginning of the season that she is all about girl code and she is just trying to protect her girl. Yeah I really like Alex and so that's why like like I'm conflicted like I want to like Dylan part of the way there but I just get sketchy vibes yeah I definitely they have have a football themed beer Pong Party with dares and it's like the oversized beer pong like from on B._B.. Cantu they did this competition an but not with bears yeah. I keep debating buying personally but it's so you have to. I know already on my way over. I it's it's a game I definitely want but it's pouring rain once again. They decide like all right. We're not hanging on the Velo one more night. We're doing this challenge. Hopefully they'll have that figured out for season two but obviously as we see emily gets a lot of dares here yeah. It's almost like she's the new hotness new so. Emily says that she likes Weston and Eric but Western more she makes out with Kierra. Here's I says Emily reminds her of her ex girlfriend <hes> so we start to see the little like you know breadcrumbs with Kierra and emily that unfortunately never really get a chance to develop still honestly. I'm too upset to talk about it. I have to talk about it. Gets roundabout gas little to literally early. We're not talking right the whole storyline this week. There's a conversation between Eric and emily about how things didn't work out with Kierra because some girls don't like guys who know exactly what they want. <hes> that was the problem I mean even if that was the problem in guess what Eric Sometimes the girl just doesn't want to what you want yeah no it was it was a weird conversation and like even emily is like maybe like some people just like to take take things a little bit slower. I really have not seen U._B.. Soft at all. It's just been like your hard side twenty four seven since I walked in the villa yeah and he says he could still motorcycle but also credit golden retriever so he's GonNa layers okay. I feel like the golden retriever part is relatable but the ceiling the motorcycle's seems a little bit extreme. I mean I related more to the motorcycle. Naturally I'm kidding. I'm kidding. We get Acre and emily conversation. Emily is leaning toward Western but feels really bad for Kelsey because they have had their thing and then cure also says that she has a crush on last in kind of a blindside this like almost shows how fickle I am because I've been watching the whole season railway but especially the episode like Weston's the worst I hate western and then of course my favorite cure is like I have a crush on west and I'm like maybe he's not so bad but now I know not bad I know but I just I want to be happy so I was just like okay. Maybe no I can't. I can't get behind this. You can make her happy. No I but I just want to get what she wants. I don't care but I mean I always want her to be with castle obviously and she even says as much like they've had a crush on each other but like they nothing ever happened because cash was there and Western was friends of Cashel Ancura was more into casual so they never explored anything but she would be open possibly in the future. It seems I just care enough about here that I don't want her to have things that are not good for her but it's fine I understand. I just care more about her than you do. I never thought for this was going to last on the outside and if I thought there was that risk obviously would not be rooting for it so cure asks Weston. Do you regret not aww pursuing me and he says No. I'm in a really happy place with Kelsey. You know so happy definitely doesn't want to pursue anyone else. He's really happy he plays for Kelsey because she's so assembly you know <hes> the most simple simple not a flash too far ahead the reason why I would really want Kira in Weston to to be okay with it is the timeline where they win and then spoiler alert for the finale at least on the U._k.. There is a prisoner's dilemma. <hes> where one person can steal the money from the other and curious stealing the money from Weston would be my ultimate joy. I'm so I don't think anyone stealing the money I wish I really. We don't think we're going to get it. It's like I love anytime. There's a prisoner's dilemma but like the optimal move is to not do it no on this Is You know you're actually my type but I really wish he weren't interested in me because I want to focus on Ray yeah. This is where I was like all right. Maybe there's a chance maybe karaoke like is really into him and is avoiding it again. We said maybe Carro had like everyone's comments in her mind wasn't pursuing things because she didn't want to be seen gene going from guy to guy by. I was as much as I like Ray. I also had an instant lake of Anton so I was interested to see things where where they go. Karen Ray Kissing in bed that night really solidify things for me that that wasn't going to happen. Yeah and I feel like the storyline with caroline entire time she truly has just been trying to find the person that she really clicks with and she just didn't have that person there until break came in and that's kind of adorable yeah I mean ah I really like this relationship. I think that they finally have their first cast. They are waiting for a good moment. It's a little coincidental that it happens as soon as carrow. Carol Starts Leonardo seeing that she's interested in someone else but very happy for them nonetheless. They seem to be very genuine and it's going well. I love a cute couple. That's boring yes very into not or income so then the next morning elsie tells Alexandra and Kiara that awed Western said that he isn't going to pursue anything because he's happy where he's at which is like foreshadowing Weston in said he cares very much about his character and he doesn't know where any of this is coming from so maybe we do see that there were some things wrong. Just a couple apple red flags. Emily gets dates. I goes on a date with Eric and then one with Weston she went on a boat date with Eric. He comes back blushing US excited about her <hes> and then a paddle boarding date with Weston and emily tells Watson that she connected Tim the Mos they've similar lifestyles styles. They kiss her whatever and after the day it wasn't halls Kelsey that he kissed emily <hes> so after these dates. I was not really sure where she was going to go. I probably should have taken the hint that Eric's state was like a solid one minute. Maybe like one line from this was shown and then Weston's went like a little deeper but I was like oh I really don't know where she's going to go and obviously it seems like she and Westin have connected better unfortunately at Chelsea's expense yeah and it's just the fact that he go straight to CALC- now's like yeah we yeah I mean I think it's better that he's honest with her and like straight up like I do think the move move especially like it's going to be on T._v.. Words fast and the villa. Emily's going to tell the other women so I do think that honesty is the best policy here and oh is probably when possible. I think that it probably wasn't handled that well especially obviously as we saw Kelsey was like he's not gonNA stray yeah. It's just like Western obviously knew that he was having doubts about Kelsey but when he was confronted about that before this date he made it clear that he didn't have doubts that he wanted to be with her and so that's where the honesty should have come in to begin with <hes> fair for the other conversation to be a total blindside <hes> what I did really like. Is Emily going up to Kelsey after the date being liquor totally would've told would you that I was gonna ask out West and if I knew just really did not know I would get a second date so and Kelsey seems like fine but obviously a little worried yeah and it's also like if you didn't think you were going to go second date you would have asked western out on the first one like shut up emily. I mean it definitely says like. Who Do you want to bring on your first date so maybe she thinks it's like the other established couples where it's like? Oh you're going on your first date. Implying there'll be more in the future but if you're like she probably knew something was coming a loose interpretation tation of the text message of having emily the benefit of the doubt. I do like her but we'll see what happens yes so oh drag with Kierra they go paddle. Boarding Anton gets date with Carro tells Anton that she can't imagine doing the long distance across the country with prey. It's funny because the one day that amounts to something out of these two with Jared Kira we got to see point two seconds skins and then answering carro which really amounts to nothing. We get like oh it will. She actually end up going for Anton because the long distance the cross country like is a big big obstacle yeah. It's definitely not easy to be like super super committed to make long distance where I could see I could see one of these. Contestants care lives in L. as I could see really any one of these contestants moving to L. A.. After the season it's just a typical reality T._v.. Move but array would be towards the bottom of that list yeah I don't. I don't know about that. We get some Hot Goss in the villa. A. And Keira tells the girls and the guys about how close she feels to Weston and of course this spreads. I don't know that she a._B._C.'s told the guys. I feel like it's always a thing where the women are loyal to the women and the men are loyal to the men which is fine but maybe keep that in mind even even like in scenarios where like Jira is particularly close to. Let's say we've seen she's close to Western as a friend like I feel like Western would've told any of the guys anything that they share so. Maybe a little bit loose lips here yes so don tells western Westerns like I don't know what to do. which has he ever known what to do and then Alison? Even Elizabeth are like basically yelling care that like you have to tell Western about this. This is what you came here for like you have to take a chance or whatever and I'm just frank Y Y yeah it's weird because especially when Alex and Elizabeth are two of the more vocal one saying that they don't trust West about relationships later and they are advising emily to stay away from him. Maybe they just want to get carried away from Eric that badly but in in practice I do agree that you came here for one reason you're towards the end of the experience like yourself out there. Shoot Your Shot Twenty nineteen. We get a western Kelsey conversation where he says you know. We've had deep conversations. I've only goofy conversations with emily basically just really being confusing. She says that she's been giving him space to let him figure it out and and he says that it comes down to emily wants. She jumps on L. C.. S. Like I'm the second option and he's like no no no yeah I mean it's like a good pick up by her like I was really glad when it happened where he was like well really. I can't give you a decision because if m basically basically you know in so many words if emily doesn't want me obviously I can't go with her. It's like Oh so you're only waiting to decide if she's interested in you in which case if she's not then you'll come back to the main so I'm interested for these scenario where emily was not interested in Weston ultimately like Howard Kelsey of handle that would she have continued to be like <unk> as all in but <hes> luckily I guess for Kelsey. We don't have to see that play out absolutely let me get a really interesting conversation between Karen Emily talking about sexual identity. Emily says that she has hooked up with girls before had sex with girls under his number had feelings for a girl so she doesn't really know if she would identify hi as by ICARUS is that none of the other girls have been her type but emily very much is an. Emily says that she'd be willing to try it and part of this conversation that I thought was super interesting. Is Emily like mentions that she came in open to anything but that just like the structure of love island on the villa hello was so like Hetero normative that she didn't even know if it was okay to be interested in a girl in the villa and I thought that was a very very very interesting choice for them to air it but I'm really glad that they did <hes> yeah. There's definitely a lot of interesting talks Karen. Emily end up having like they have they talk about like social the issues at one point albeit very briefly and so I'm glad it was aired. I think that it's interesting because emily says like Oh. I don't know if I I am open to like. I think I'm open to exploring it like I don't know exactly how far I would progress but like I know I'm in I've been to you so I don't blame Kierra later force ultimately saying it's hard for her to put herself very out there and put all her eggs in that basket when very easily emily or anyone else could say like what I tried it and like I'm not into it and so I understand where really both of them are coming from here. Yeah absolutely uncaring comment about wishing they had pursued it earlier because there's so little time which I do think is like the root of the problem as well because there's not a lot of time to really talk it out. tweets God this like very interesting conundrum going into the recoupling because emily doesn't know if she should choose Eric Westerner Kira here he doesn't know if she should pick jared Erica Weston and then west and is interested in Emily Kelsey and possibly cure. It's just very confusing and they all all act like okay. There are less women than there are men and so obviously the women will be picking but when they get the texts like finding out that the women are picking like Oh my God. I can't believe it like Western. You're never going to have this choice but I am very interested to see if it was in Westerns hands where he would have gone to the producers know that he was more interested in emily early and that's why ultimately they placed emily before Kelsey in the pecking order or was it for drama. I mean it being e-last recoupling it definitely is very very impactful in which order they're choosing. I feel like they put emily ahead of Kira because they wanted the option of emily choosing Kira. Yes I do think that they told her to phrase certain things which will get to and I think that that's what they I think they may be thought that she was really going to choose Cara and that's why they put her before Kelsey Yeah I. I can't imagine that they don't know who's going to pick who at least to a pretty safe degree I know on shows like are you. The one they have of to tell the producers who like their top three are in order so that if someone if their top choice gets picked who they'll pick second and Yada Yada so I have to to imagine they know but maybe to leave the intrigue they're still I'm very curious. Who Western would affect here yeah? I don't care about the western so we get Carol. Picking Ray Elizabeth Picking Zog I sat picking Yemen Alexander Pigs Dylan an emily Hicks Western Stan and here's where noticeably the phrasing where like everyone's like the Guy I'm going to couple up with but emily noticeably says I want to couple up with this person rather than this guy I think leaving it open to maybe she's GonNa Pick Kira but ultimately unfortunately she goes with Western so Kelsey is great and she says you know what I came here to find love. I did not find that I don't have a connection. I don't want to lead anybody on so I'm going to leave the island yes so I don't they probably knew this was the last recoupling I should have known based on the schedule but usually I feel like they'll be like. This is the last recoupling this is who you know and I don't feel like they did say that so I was very much like Kelsey just pick Anton like Yuma chance wants to stay and then you can leave in five minutes and then he'll explore something else but obviously being that it's the last recoupling it's there's not really an option where Anton is going to get to know anyone else so I understand why she just chooses to leave on her own and so that's a big bomb that gets dropped it takes everyone a little bit of time to compose themselves and then we get the the last pick of carrot picking jared which just didn't really feel like anything because we had already it had the bomb of Kelsey leaping. Yeah I mean you lose Eric who definitely was a big character for his time in the villa but I don't think anyone was too distraught about it. Yeah it was clear that he wasn't really going to Mesh that well with anybody so it's fine for him to leave at this time so aw Eric and Anton are both eliminated and the hideaway is opened after the recoupling and Carol was so excited he yeah Carro definitely one of the more animated cast members is excited to campaigns for herself right away for her and ray tonight in the hideaway and very happy that the other other islanders agreed because Carol campaigning for herself as her being me me US yes yes. He wasn't wasn't having secret talks going around to each individual person or anything so it was it was very much. She really wanted it. Dylan and Alexander have already had it Zach Noah's the Ford had it so it was it was time for them to go and then there's this weird conversation between the girls where they're like weirdly almost standing over caroline their leg. Are you going to join the do bits society yes which is funny because correct me if I'm wrong but I don't really feel like it was was explained on the show. It's something that definitely comes up a lot more on the U._k.. Version I don't know if it is a U._k.. Slang term in general which is something specific back to the show and someone asked me basically and I'm sorry I don't have the name in front of me like basically what is doing bits and eloquently will say anything past first base but before the Homerun all right who asked you some twitter's. It's called urban dictionary. You just type in what you're looking for information. You don't have to slide into scalise. E._M.'s row how there was no exchange. Let's and then we're El Caso they go to the E._S.. Hideaway and Carol like pushes down on the bed being like Oh this bad sturdy ray getting nervous and Karros just like all right. I'm ready. Let's go definitely like a fun like opposing points and just like one more reason why I really liked them. Both when it just like it was funny funny to me how long it took for them to actually go for the champagne to like. I feel like everyone else has just like immediately goes for the champagne and they have a they do a little toast. They drink it together and then they kind of get into it whereas they like getting ready on their robes. I think brush her teeth before having the champagne which I would not recommend yeah and <hes> yeah they're horrible yeah. Maybe you didn't see the champagne and thought a prostitute for other reasons but uh-huh okay calm down over there but he's L._A.. Carro Carro says that the next day she's talking with the women and they're all like what happened what happened. What are you doing? I respect I respect our privacy so much like come on you. All know what happened. It was beautiful okay all right well. That's how she describes it. So that's good I mean that's always a good feeling to have after I'm doing bits. Maybe more than bits maybe more than bed. I don't know they deserve their privacy. Okay we're going to be respectful. It's time for them. Okay the town so wasn't tells the boys that he was worried he was going to go home. which is like you literally had three women interested in you so shut up this? It was like the fakest thing or thought. Maybe like know someone was going to choose you like you were the least at risk arson there except for maybe Zak yeah literally just shut up us in so Zach Elizabeth and Kira talking about Western emily and how they went from zero to one hundred this is really emphasized sized by the fact that wasn't a emily shower together fully naked that was a big point of contention. Are they make it or are they nagin which is weird because they like flash to them and look when you see them in still has like a full bikini on and then they're like Oh my God there naked so it's like did they just not include like a shot where that was evident which I feel they would have so maybe the islanders were just exaggerating this but like Western said like he hates moving fast but he also loves it. He loves moving fast. I it what's weird. What's more weird than any of this is that they literally go to like peak into the shower to see if there naked? I don't know about you but if I see two people showering together in I don't need any more information is not my business. Yeah I mean. They said they share one bathroom. So I guess yes <hes> really they've all become really close scenes where like I think it was casuals. Just has the shower door open talking to Yemen as he showering so. I think that it's like a definitely a different type of situation with someone yes. It is very different. I'm just commenting that obviously the boundaries are very different on these shows on how many other shows where it's like people were hooking up in the house and every single cast member is running up to the window peaking in opening the door and crawling like like commando style or whatever like to look like it's. It's a thing like something's interesting. They don't have T._V.. They need entertainment and didn't I was about to respect your privacy. That's what I'm doing here. So then there is the conversation it's sock Elizabeth and Kiara and they're talking about the western situation and how weird it is curious that there was something unspoken between them. A Western should have have to be the one to step up and I would have to ask. Was this unspoken on them talk about it on Monday so yesterday I mean I guess she's saying that he should have stepped up earlier. In the season cure. Definitely it's just as much on her. She could have said anything if she felt something but ultimately glad it did not develop rela definitely and it's really weird because this club kind of makes it a huge part of her identity how upset with this whole Western situation relationship we finally or seeing Elizabeth on the show Zach. She's no longer under Zach. Stop or vice versa and I mean honestly look. I like Elizabeth Moore throughout this week whereas my feelings on Zach really haven't changed. It was just weird to me how much he was going in about the situation. It's very different from the Elizabeth. We've seen all through the season that's fair. I feel like she's definitely like she's known these people for longer. Maybe she feels more comfortable terrible but like you involve yourself in your friends. You know relationships not maybe this degree but they're around each other twenty four seven. There's nothing else to do yeah Muir. I'm so we get a game. It's called Duncan love so there's two dunking tanks. There's each half of the couple will set in one. They are asked a question about the other if they get it right. Nothing happens if they get it wrong person that they don't know that well gets dunked. Nobody nobody really gets questions right. Jerry gets a question right. Yeah my thought on this and also on Anton and jared's words dates is that there's probably a lot more that we didn't see like they probably each got a second date as well as emily and there are probably a lot more questions than this but at least how it's portrayed literally early only jared gets a question right so like maybe everything the other person got like multiple questions wrong. We find out that Emily's milies weirdest job is that she was a dominatrix but not in a sexual way just telling someone what to do how to do it which I mean hey like. She said you gotTa make your money. Somehow girl has got to the e- eat I have nothing but respect for this I it see this is very much along the lines of a plot line in euphoria except for that one does have sexual part spoilers but hey it could be anyone okay. Nobody knows we find the craziest plays Elizabeth has had sex is in the the locker room at a nice. Jim anzacs could has a confessional after with her where he's like yeah. I only didn't answer it right because I'm not a fan of that. Story shot up Zac no no you at the time he worked together. It's none of your business yeah. This is like one of the Multiple Times where I finds act to be like controlling where he's like a like earlier in the season he's like I didn't know you were that outgoing Douay like stop judging her. I'm down Zach's allowed to. I don't know maybe he's act doesn't feel like he should be involved in those stuff and so like she shouldn't either like or maybe he just thinks that he you should be led. I Dunno it's weird. It's obviously like gender implications on it. I don't love it yeah. Maybe down on Zach this week overall Hazak cowbell be excited that your relationship with a cool fun girl who probably wanted to cool things with you. Maybe he's access not as cool and find as well as if you're right. That's probably the case Western asks emily about when she sees herself settling down which is so so weird because it seems like literally two days ago. He was upset because he was with someone who wanted to settle down now Weston's the boring one in the relationship. I mean unless I'm wrong. I believe Emily's twenty one years old and it's not like and this is my you know maybe New York East Coast Bias but she's twenty one. She's from New York. I don't think he's looking to settle down anytime soon. Weston while only twenty five I think he is said like more of his friends have settled down already. I I don't see this one working out very well. Yeah I'm not. I'm not thinking I may say a great match. What do you see Western like flying to upstate New York to visit Emily at college? I literally can't see Western going to New York at all. I just I mean upstate. New York is very very different but like she goes to a very very good which they Yeah and when new guys come in he talks her downs. They don't go for her but his head Kinda get turned a little bit when emily came in. I mean it seems like it. Maybe maybe dead. I mean I think that part of it was like the other guys being like Oh. She's clearly the most does your type and he he agrees whatever I don't know how much of it is we've seen so little of Dylan and Alex in the past <hes> whereas I feel like they're kind of a fun couples would have expected them to get more screen time but maybe he's not as into her and that's why we're not seeing it yeah. I really think that he's playing the game. He's it's not a guy. I'm not seeing this one lasting. I really like Alex especially. I like Dylan in terms of what we've seen but not to overuse overuse the word vibes but like I just don't get the completely genuine vibe from him. I can't believe that you would use the word vibe in such a way. Sorry it's not okay. What are we more of the curate emily drama I talk about how it's awkward with Western in an emily curious? She'll support Western emily if they're happy yeah I mean it's funny. We got like a scene where West and incur- finally talking and Emily Emily just plops down and joins them on the bed where I don't feel like this should have been so so awkward but cures like I'm done like I need to go. Get Water. Sorry dehydrated. Certain literally like doesn't even walk inside walks straight to Alex and Carro just like Oh that was weird like I'm not hanging out with them yeah. It's also the situation where it's like here. Kiro has expressed so much more of this not to other Westerner Emily so I feel like she has made it into a much bigger. Thing that is as well that is fair. I mean I was Alex. who was it's like maybe they're trying to draw you into a threesome which the show could use the excitement I mean would not be opposed to throttle on love island but would be opposed to western getting to be a part of it? Ah That's fair. I mean are you. The one is out here. Having five sums like really needs to catch up. Oh my goodness yeah endorsement for you. The one go watch yikes okay so then there's also an emily cure conversation about how things could have been different for them. I'm if they had had an honest chat on the first day but only went for West and now it's too late and yet it's a bit of a bummer yeah. I mean who knows emily and Western seemed to have gone to like the extreme within six hours. There's no reason why yeah I get that. We're nearing the end of the season by it like it's not as if they couldn't have explored it for later I guess really I don't think Kierra sees the future there and probably is saying like I feel like if it was really really that strong it's like yeah I know it's late but like screw it whereas it's like okay. This might have been something and then we really don't have time. Please laviolette. Give us one more recoupling. We can just send Western jared home. It's fine so care it would be great. No one would even notice jared left jared jared who yeah exactly so. I'm we're back to the same same old nonsense for Thursday Carolina. Emily Western legs emily. Maybe like Skara. Emily Likes Weston and maybe like Skara Jared Lakes Kira like your avoid him as much inches possible standard healthy relationship nothing like it. It's funny because it's kind of described as like she stays far away from him. I'm in bed as possible which is totally valid. Not everyone likes to cuddle by jared. I think one point much much later dared even is like Oh yeah like they're talking about how I'll save it for later but it's like Oh. I'd rather be here than be home like okay like what a strong endorsement of the relationship sure yeah wow truly so the boys are going to a local market to buy produce to make dinner Jenner while the girls back at the villa and the girls are nervous about it but Elizabeth says Zach will know what to do since he works in a grocery store which like I wouldn't be so reassured. My boyfriend works in the direct translation of working with food to cooking with food obviously one to one well and then and win there in the market and they're throwing the fruit around and everything I was like this is not grocery store etiquette. No definitely Zach is going to be reprimanded when he gets home my hope for his job security that he's okay but I mean another thing they've done in the U._k.. Version and it's a quick little fun segment I think it's usually you better when they send out a couple to go shopping and dumb and they have to cook. There's like dumb little arguments that can happen occasionally but I'm happy to see you know more girl time at the villa. Yeah that's nice but I I would have liked to see a couple ago. However with the drama that comes from the spotty and glad that they did it this way so they have the conversation and Western comes up and Keira tells emily about her and Weston's like secret agreement or whatever that they've had and the other girls tell emily you know like we wouldn't really set our friends up with Western like he says the same things to every girl? Whenever new girl comes in super interested in one one another new girl comes in his head turns he bails quickly and I feel so stupid like why didn't anyone tell me this sooner ah Emily Lake immediately and again like I said the women definitely have like a strong connection as if do the men and so <hes> emily like really jumps onto this and definitely confronts West in as she should when he comes back I ravaged it yeah very fun to see West and finally you know be confronted with the same stuff that he's been criticizing others for yeah especially because wasn't it's been the one to be so judgmental of carrow in particular nice to see that he is getting called out was great and emily is just amazing? Yeah Big Fan wish. I like these these new islanders. I definitely think emily probably has made the biggest impact out of any of the new islanders. Even from the beginning only really Eric I think has come close but boy. I wish these new islanders came in a little earlier reason yeah it's the timing of the of the season and season and the pacing was just like a little bit off. Um I think is the only problem I would really have with it but I'm glad that we did get these last new islanders to get emily and because this really did create an electric week of webtv also forgot to mention at the end of the last episode there. was that a public vote for your favorite couple but I'm assuming we both voted for Ray and Carro Sarah. I did not vote for in care or they are my favorite couple and one half of this other couple ores me the tears I voted for Kira and jared because I figured rancor okay. They're not going to be literal last place whereas I feel like given given the result Kira and jared were probably six out of seven there and they needed the vote more. You need to stop trying to game love Ireland just laid known as a game him. Every show is a game. I need cure here longer. You're a genuinely crazy person. I'm fine. I don't know about is so one thing I I liked a lot that emily's said is like she said you know what you've been making. All the women make the decisions for you so that you come across looking like a nice sky yes perfect. Yes Queen and he's like no. That's not it. I'm obsessed with you emily. Don't tell someone you're upset. The muscle grows especially after a day and a half. You're right yeah especially after Dayton APP just like I just can't imagine that that look. That's what he thinks excel like why not say something like no emily like I thought I like those other girls but I really like you something. Along those lines would is still gross but slightly less growth and he is so mad that the others have thrown him under the bus as Gamers yeah. My favorite part is he's like yeah sure I was a player at one point but so is every guy in here like they've all been. She's like yeah well. They're showing a different side. You haven't so definitely standing emily at this moment. It's a Queen I'm obsessed with her. It's been T._v.. Let's calm down. I never it takes a little bit more for me to be obsessed with reality TV character Carro mentions that this has all been patterns and he's only saying he's committed because it's at the end of the last coupling Elizabeth is still like super annoyed about this and she doesn't know what he wants and then it goes back to the boys as like characters the same thing but I can say that because a girl would have attacked him four oh he can't deal with the vicious attacks of the women but yeah it was like Oh you had to bring back up. It's very very annoying whereas again I really feel like Carro did not express like strong feelings for any single person until Ray and what point did she like say she liked someone when she did not like <hes> like she. I'd say like Oh like we're feeling vibes. It's cool. We're talking like I'm interested but it was never like I could go home to your family and I would marry you tomorrow. Like Okay Western calm down you psychopath. I need you to never use that Western tonal horrify that was so scary you know we've had to listen to it all week so I'm not happy about brad either yeah but no one else had to listen to it just directly into their head Colin. scally that was an attack. They're going to have to so you did did that to everyone. You're able so then they do the game holes apart which is they used. There have been polls in the APP throughout the entire the season. I haven't really been bringing a lot because I don't vote in them because it's just a lot of work and I have a fulltime job. Okay I mean here. The Zach and Elizabeth stands came out out in full force for this one yeah so they get voted as the most intelligent couple the hottest couple yeah and only only only the third most boring who are these. I can Elizabeth stands. I don't understand really who they are. I mean even there was a past like the tweet that was pulled. That was like Oh my God I'm losing I._Q.. Points from watching Dylan and Alex yet they get voted the second most intelligent couple so I think these were really just a popularity clarity contest at the end of the day. I don't think people were really reading them. They're just looking at people Yemen and I thought I get the most boring western emily get the most likely ugly to cheat and the most likely to back stab another couple so happy because the result of showing that he is a piece of shit turns into a few his crybaby loser. He's like I'm going home. I can't believe Mike Characters and attacked like this poor western but the thing that's funny is I feel like Western. Esten really started getting a more negative this episode and while he had been shown to be very indecisive and not there for Kelsey I don't feel like he was necessarily the of villain until now and it was a more so potentially because of how a man I think I think that emily really exploring options and Weston and com combined with Weston. Moving on from women to women has really put them in these categories when I also think like over the course of the season Western has been displaying like this horrible behavior but no one has really called him on it because ever interested like western such a couch Weston's great. Emily is the first person to actually come in and be like no like this is not acceptable behavior like you cannot treat people like this and so I think that that is a big part of it happening. Now Weston's like my character or something I don't mess with I feel backstabbed. He's so upset site. He talks about how they he's been a trade and he says at the end of the day like seventy five times and our favorite phrase phrase on reality television I my least favorite part is than we got Zach getting men going up to be women specifically Elizabeth and Kiara B. Like you you have to apologize to him like you ruin their connection. Excuse first of all excuse me take a seat Zaken name in they're another part where like I wasn't a fan of these two in particular being like telling them what they have to do and just have a conversation at the most like go to them and being. Hey look he's really upset. What did you say Blah Blah but like it was like no you have to apologize like scolding them almost yeah and then both of them? I was really proud of them because we never called him about a guy we just pointed out things that he legitimately has done so turns out. He is a bad guy who knew who did now turns out the viewers votes soothe everybody except for the islanders new Yemen mentioned there are other women who have done a lot a lot Yemen. Yeah I mean <unk>. I feel done yet game. It has jumped from person to person so maybe he doesn't want to start throwing stones for crying out loud which again in the grand scheme whether and I know that like Westin is like saying too much to each of these women and he's going about it the wrong way but like the general like move of like exploring options with different people is how you should be going up about. It and I don't think the administering yes. I don't think he has handled it like as well well but also definitely not as bad as Weston and I feel like for some reason I mean we know why Carro cats like unfairly judged whereas <hes> as they who have handled it much worse or seemingly innocent all game in just gets lucky because his situation has in general been when he does get feelings for another person. The other person goes home right away so like started feeling things kristen he sent cantillon home immediately kristen got sent home from public vote and then I thought I came in so it hasn't been as many of like the same people all in one place and that's I would say the only only reason why game and hasn't gotten a very similar to what western God this week and I love jared starts talking and Alex Goes. Who is this guy hi? This is another one of my favourite Alex moments where it's like. She says exactly what the audience is. thinking like jared is irrelevant. Why is he talking in this and especially like why is he it defending someone that he knows for like a day just like stay out of it and then he'd be born emily side because they came together on jet skis again the guys defend the guys? The women defend the women and it's not my favorite thing in the world but like jared. You don't know these people just stay out of it yeah. It's <hes> yeah I like <hes> Alex ending the conversation like no he literally waited until Kelsey was packing her bags to talked her at all and they have nothing to say to that word. Some Western has a conversation with emily who persuades him to stay ooh. She's like who cares what other people say. You know why you're here. If you're here for the right reasons then you're here for the right reasons and glutz pursue this I look. Why are you letting other people make decisions for you and it's like emily like I was standing you so hard but like but I guess she needed him to stay so she could stay? Yes yes. She would have immediately gone home and I'm assuming I like what he's like. What am I doing here if they think these things about me like why would I stay if they think I'm here for the wrong reason she's like? Are you here for them M._D.. Like I didn't understand so I like the seeds like we'll blatantly. Call him out on everything that you here's I truly do like her lot. Yeah Big Asian so then <hes> Arielle comes in and says that America has been voting and the a couple with the least votes is going to go home so it is not going to be in the islanders hands this time so the safe couples in no particular order are Caroline Herlin Bray Elizabeth and Zach Alexandra Dylan and cure and jared leaving I saw it in Yemen and Emily and Weston in danger and then they left us with the cliffhanger at the end of the episode like you'll find out tomorrow and I was a little bit upset with that. I hated this. I think they probably thought they didn't have enough enough of a draw all with the baby episode which I find to be a fun episode but I can understand why people may not think that it is enough of a reason to stay home on a Friday night and watching television but I did not love how they did this and I also don't think that emily and Western we're in the bottom. Two don't know I I think it was curious and I I mean I don't they always say like in no particular order so I don't think they're gonNa Telegraph who the actual bottom to our and unfortunately for Kira. I just think jared gotten no screen time. I don't think you're a has as big of a fan base as I would like and I think West has been here since the beginning Emily's had tons and unscreened screen high this week. They have some fans. Unfortunately I truly can't imagine being a fan of lesson but okay I know but I mean even if like people like emily and like don't hate Western vote for them so I think that cure in jared probably not going to be winning season yeah I don't think so and so then we get came in and I thought are eliminated which I think was pretty well telegraphed by them being the most boring couple in the polls game episode prior Arielle so invested in them. It's so cute I love the she's about to cry like all the other islanders. He's like no one cry. No one crying orioles was like the next person a living trying not to cry like I love invested. She is I yeah and I also love like after the Elimination Yaman literally the Guy No. I'm not trying to cry today. I'd stop. He's telling you have Elizabeth and Western. Both Brian guys like don't make me cry. Meanwhile there are streams of tears down his face already. It's fine I am fine with him also like just talking through it and playing it down like whatever he feels that he's gotta do but but it was funny really funny. It was a relatable moment I think and to highlight. I think that the as we've been highlighting I think the announcer it has gotten better and better all season and this was probably my favorite episode for him. including him opening up with the episode Contains Love Lust and careless people trying to be responsible which I I found very very relatable. I mean you try to be responsible. I mean once in a while. <hes> seems fake okay so and they leave. I sorta like stir ruts out of the village. She is so beautiful and Gaiman has promised to go on a week long vacation with Sada Oughta okay so how long till game in Tex- Kristen and he already has. I guess you can ask him when he speaks yeah. That is maybe tone but you can feel like you could get a little bit of an answer of what wasn't there with Alana and see how it goes yeah. We'll have to have to get some answers for my girl Alana so Caroline Rain Alexan- Dylan talk about how happy they are cure and jared or like arguing over who snores and who steals the blanket narrowly avoid rather be with you go home and I was like <hes> a glowing endorsement visit. I was talking about where it's like. It's this really funny scene where they have romantic music and and Karen Ray or like Oh my God. I'm so happy like you're the best. Only we spent like a beautiful time together and Alexan- Dylan are getting closer and Dylan is pretending at least to be really into this and then you get a you still the covers all the time and jared like Oh you snore you think your fun to share the bed with and then jared says like the most romantic thing English well I mean. I guess I'd rather be here with you then to go home like Oh. What a nice thing to say yeah? I bet that felt really really really good. At least they're mutually not yeah. That's true it could be worse if one of them was super into it. Elizabeth Confronts Weston. She's really upset about how today played out and what kind of backpedals by saying like. I'm okay if you guys feel this way bowel me but I'm so upset that you didn't come to me to express them rather than emily and to me. It's like no. You're just bothered that you got caught and you didn't get a chance to back battle. Yeah see I actually here was where I was like. Oh for the you know millisecond. I was like well. This is the right thing to say like yes. It is completely valid for him to be upset because they've been friends for so long to say like I'm just upset that you didn't come to me when you were feeling these things and wait until I left the villa to express them to someone close to me and it feels like manipulative whereas I don't I do agree. That probably really is part of it but I also don't think West is okay with the opinions at all yeah no absolutely not I think they he recognizes that he needs to say that because he's probably had to you talk his way out of things in the past and maybe the producers might have asked him about something like that conventional yeah and aren't there could have been a little bit of that for sure we get a nighttime all the couples fooling around and bed so that's what we're here for. There's the you know the the extra stuff. That rob was looking for in the beginning of the season. Why is there nothing exciting going on but I think that having all the couples sharing one big room isn't stopping anybody anymore? Yeah I know at this point. They're like whatever all the beds are here. No one needs privacy anymore. Privacy is dead in twenty nine thousand nine so then now it's baby A. B.. Day which is one of my personal favorite parts of the U._K.. Versions I'm really excited that they brought it over. Yes I love the couples that like take this really seriously <hes> the people that just like don't like play along. You're on a show like once in a lifetime thing like just go along with it. It's fine. I equally love of both because it's like on the one hand yeah. It's a show commit. My personal favorite I think is the couples where one of them's taking taking it really seriously and the other one's not that's fair that I do. I'm okay with what's I still feel like I get annoyed with that. One person when they're like Oh this is stupid and just just like blatantly like carrying it around by the foot or something like best obnoxious like we got like your whole yeah but then at the same time is is another Scenario they're coming on this show where does all about relationships whereas not doing a random task on a strategy related show but it nevertheless I again love the announcer being like okay. There's babies crying people like what is that the announcer like just a hint. It's not Cara I I. I was nice. Backpedaling Keira asks about the baby. Oh do I pull it out and the announcer says not pulling it. Out is how you get baby yet fair enough when you when you do pulling out properly it is ninety six percent effective so let's advocate for just pulling out but right. I'm just as birth control the same gymnastics condom use it one hundred percent properly which nobody does so use a condom rabbit do that talk. You're going to be causing pregnancies down. No I might use a condom. Everybody okay good then so again the announcers on fire just at least in this little part. I like what they have to do. They have to take care of the fake babies. They're rewarded for a happy baby and penalized for poor parenting how they are penalized. I don't really feel like we got to see that. I don't think anybody was penalised. Zack has the glowing moment of dammit. I got a girl shut up back not loving it. He's like where's my mother. I mean the baby's mother so that was funny. At least I mean it was okay hero mentions that she doesn't want her baby and pink or Blue Baby. It'd be gender-neutral love that big fan of Kira again why she's my favorite just exemplifying they after day island carols so excited about the the whole challenge and the baby it was really cute her in her and Ray in the confessional with their little baby baby bequest right I think that's correct racist and he saw the baby and just knew immediately what the baby's name was so cute and I do. I really really like that. They didn't just have LA- white babies. Yes definitely that was. I don't even remember if that was the thing on the early seasons but I like that we had a wide variety of. I don't even know how to say they had like multiple. Skin color is for the babies which was great and I love to see either. At least you know like I said I like couples. Take this seriously yeah and Karen right definitely did Alex says upset because she wanted a girl relatable content. Keira gets mad at rage. He keeps you know you're being too rough. You're being for the baby like stop. You can't do that very adorable Dylan. What is like Super Dad? I was impressed. I mean as we see Alex is nowhere to be seen and Dylan was really really excited. Starts getting a little bit tired tired but I think throughout the day like one of the better debts here yeah he's Mr Mom we get conversation of Karen Jerry Taki but the future if they would want kids out kind of thing I would just kind of the whole point of this challenge is they want to have those kinds of conversations to be like look. These are real relationships and whereas I feel like like a lot of the other couples are like Oh like. Would you want kids like for a future. Where Karen Jarrett would you want kids with someone else not with me? This is not you can't have any with me even if you wanted them but like what someone else I can. Elizabeth are having a really tough time with the challenge especially bag and Elizabeth says she would want no more than three kids and and Zach says but for the Party Zaky struggling with one fake baby. I don't know if I'm trusting Zach with four life. Human babies real cute to say four is a party when you don't have to give birth to them. I don't think Zack is going to necessarily want four. I think after one he might be decided to tap out yeah and Elizabeth uh-huh Q. Comment about how she definitely wants to have a child of her own but she also wants to adopt which is really great and especially if you want more than two children into adopting <music> I've seen like I was very excited to hear all of the couples pretty much at one point like especially when like the guys are laying around being talking about opening a open up into adopting and oh maybe I want one or two of my own but I also love to adopt and like give a kit home and I think that <hes> especially Zack has seen the AH the method of adopting a baby ten might not be the worst idea skip past all the sack. Nobody is giving Zakat child at ten uh-huh. Nobody's giving Zakat child period. I mean we'll say his zaken Elizabeth while I am not their biggest fan I do think have a shot outside a fair. Oh Yeah No. I mean like adoption wise. I don't know that he was in his care that he would be a great candidate. I think Zack is more the type that will end up having babies. Maybe not unecessarily on purpose no on purpose to but I don't think he would be able to adopt. We'll see I mean at the adopt a ten year old baby at forty. Do you know joking policy seventeen more years so who knows what's GonNa be like I I wonder what being on a reality show would mark on your adoption and application definitely. It's a note it's it's. It's a negative note for sure. I think I mean yeah. I don't think it's a positive interesting dylan again super excited but he is getting tired probably because he's working out with baby and stuff dylan's has he does want kids and it would be a deal breaker if someone didn't want them. Alex Wants Children Karen but his is very nervous about the nursing process which I think is more than fair. Emily is doing a really good job but wasn't keep trying to get in the way yeah I love. Emilie's like I know what I'm doing. Weston does not and he is enthusiastic but he's not good at this also. I don't think Alex wants kids like down. Alex definitely does not want kids. She just kind of had to say at that moment yes. She's the even says to the women later like Oh. I've always been so standoffish about kids like seeing dillon has been so oh good with them like that has been interesting. Alex does not want kids but dylan does so she'll say she does and it's it's totally fine to not want kids. Oh one hundred percent Alex is they're all young everyone's young and they have many years till they're forty and a half to adopt a ten year old child so she has time to develop just I I keep going back to it's not a valid Glenn. I also just want to say that enthusiastic but not good at this is probably the title of Weston's autobiography so the MOMS get to go on a trip to get a break go for drinks while the DADS stay home the the boys think they're going to do fine separate. Probably Zach and Elizabeth thinks that have Angel Children Yeah Yeah I love all the women are like no no no. No none of us agree that this could be a demon. David was like well. I think Zack will be a great dad now. He will not be he's not good. He's doing very poorly you. There is no indication that he would be good dad okay. There's a really funny confessional from the men being like we had the babies I five minutes. Why do the women need praying? I The dads type thing where let's see how these dads do and if the Dad Catholic avalon is any indication not well not well not great. I'm glad these are not real babies as I forget who said if they were real babies they would have I've been in jail. I thought you meant the babies would be in jail and hose babies would have been alive to make it to jail. I don't think going. I don't think the these babies would have done well in prison. Either especially Zack's which he dropped so hard on its head that there were scuff marks on it Yeah Elizabeth Elizabeth he dropped the baby on its head. There scuff marks yeah. Oh no he'll be a good dad and they'll have an angel baby. Don't worry I mean the fortunate thing thing is like when the babies are very young. Normally you can get like a my neighbor when I was very young like dropped their baby and it fell on some end like three months old and the fire department was like Yo you're lucky this baby so young 'cause when this young they bounce and when they're a little bit older they do not and would be dead so it may be better that they did the Dad Catholic so early one day in so then we're fine this one day and they they balance. I think uh-huh bouncing baby it's definitely the same as mine I mean that's what I heard so well. Maybe a disclaimer that people should not be bouncing like all the kids don't don't it's not to be like drop your baby. It's to be like a free pass to be careless at three months yeah very fortunately the child with okay <music> disclaimer. It's like something that still haunts me over ten years later that I didn't catch the baby. I like the dough for him and he like. I like just it was really close. Yeah story that when I was very very maybe kindergarten in first grade we were playing like just football like catch in on the playground and horrifying as a little kid but I'm I'm running back and jumped to catch the ball and trip over a stroller. Luckily said baby was strapped in very tightly but very very much scarring for life and now I'm very nervous around like even like my friends babies. I'm great with kids but like terrified the from that day ono horrifying but everything was fine. We're glad oh my goodness well. We both are vying baby stories now so well after everything the boys talked about how they're so excited to be dads and they're down to adopt a kid to interesting Karen Rayvey. Thank you conversation about how important family is Carissa. She wants ready to be your baby's daddy o exciting. I'm ready. Let's have it. I'm ready for the rain Carol. Oh Baby. I'm let's that at the reunion. I want the real baby quest oh they have to name the first one quest boy or girl that name works for anyone one definitely seems like a gender neutral name Kiro will buy it yellow and green closed. It'll be great. I love it so at the end they get taxed. I that rate and Carol where the Best Parents Dylan and Alex and cure jared past western emily and Zach and Elizabeth failed and apparently families are tried to smother the baby silence it Yeah Zach out of the year angelic baby. It's not a real baby like find the battery's David Pillow again and when I say I want them to take it seriously have fun with it but like don't put a pillow on your baby's mouth to make it quiet now. That's certainly not how parenting supposed to work. I mean I'm personally a parent but I'm just going to say it right now. Don't try to smother your child. Call can say yeah and like with confidence. Yes I have my babysitter's course okay guys. You can trust me so then we get care talking about how she he loves hassle. They only live twenty minutes apart when she gets home. The first thing she's going to do is call casual made me so happy and I'm very very very glad that we got this before. You got a chance to speak to CASHEL and hopefully can ask for his reaction. Maybe don't spring it on too hard but let's see how that goes yeah definitely I. I'm a little worried because I feel like it's a thing as we've talked about before when things are good she pulls away and when things are bad not really wanted and so I don't know if this is fair to cash all yeah I mean my thing and obviously I don't presume to know how cure is in relationships outside of the villa but maybe they'll have their own space and she'll get like a break every so often so the red flags that she did see are not full dealbreakers but I I am at least optimistic like she said they only live twenty minutes apart so I am hopeful for this one yeah absolutely <hes> we also get ranco not even together just talking about how much they like each other. They're so cute yeah big fan again. This is part of my hopeful Ryan Carro winner at it. I'm really hoping hoping this comes through. I think we at least need good competition for Zach and Elizabeth. I thought that was going to be Dylan Alexandra but now I really feel like these three couples have solidified as the the top three yeah they've really brought. It and I do like that and I do think that they have a good shot. I just wish that ray had come in earlier. I would have had more time so they do a series of party games our they have to the balloon popping. The men have balloons tied to them to thrust to Papa Yeah. I think this was definitely. The genders were swapped here to do the A._p._M.. C._B._S. approval faring a point and then they did the the past the fruit classic nothing too exciting cares that you made a great investment on her implants consumer. They're finally coming into play. I was hoping that they would talk more about Apple's here. But what a missed opportunity I know <hes> so then Western Carolina conversation here's upset. She feels like his actions made her think he's not genuine. She is not a normal friend because they expressed feelings and he didn't handle it while she felt like a second choice and then Western again comes back with I respect your opinion but it just hurts to hear it from <hes> <hes> like my best friend. I don't WanNa leave until we fix said like we built a beautiful friendship and like whatever now I love where he's like. I'm not leaving until we fix it and her immediate response is like I love you and we're friends again so get them out of the villa where it's already fixed yeah go away so must gets a tax. Tonight is the last night in the villa for one couple and nobody wants to leave by curious. When it's my time it's my time which makes sense with her in jared yeah I don't I think and well Kira is my favorite? I am content. We're in the last week. It's going to be the Monday only two episodes without her. I do think that they probably included this knowing that she was towards the bottom of last Paul Yeah so we're we're. We're a little bit nervous there. So then there was a vote last night for who do you WanNa see enough bonaly. And who did you vote for. Here's where I voted for Reagan Carro Yeah Rangers get all of my phone. I'm not letting them get robbed. I will be voting for them for the rest of the season you know as long as nothing extremely problematic happens next week or anything but they are my vote. That's horse. I'm backing and I'm team rain Carro for the rest of the season and we are on the same page as so oh. That's it for the episode. Are there any other last thoughts or anything that we missed and by episode. I mean episodes because there's no just I we have one more you know. Half Week left one more podcast. I'm sad it's ending but I'm very glad we're getting a season two. I'm excited to finish the U.. K. Version and highly recommend for for anyone that is missing love island to check that out also excited for Bachelor in paradise coming back so we're going to have a similar type show on another channel but but overall the very happy with how this went yeah absolutely I really do think they captured a lot of the just like vibe of the U._k.. U._K. version and I'm really excited to see what they do is season two. I did pull some viewer questions. The questions are light because I forgot to post the threat until Thursday night and that's that's my bad. I'm sorry guys I'm busy. Okay so <hes> first question's from Don Minter. She says discuss why Caros playing field is better than Weston's or even Yemen's <hes> would definitely touched on this. <hes> the what I would say is that we didn't really see Carro telling anyone unless you're my only option. I'm only into you. I WanNa meet your family like yet. Cara was enthusiastic and I think people confused Carol's personality and her general <hes> enthusiasm for leading people on which I don't think it's the same thing at all which Gaiman has done to a degree but western has done in spades. Absolutely Carol is far and away better than both of them. Kevin Doherty asks when Alexandra had about jared. Who is this guy? Did you say those exact same words out loud at the exact same time I did not quite the same exact time but definitely like had these same thought like why are you talking like stop it. Don't involve yourself and who are you yeah. I was with her in spirit but not vocally Kevin Doherty also asks does Zack sticking up for for Weston and arguing with Elizabeth may less boring couple or just even more boring. I mean I guess you could say less boring in that. They got content but less likable for me definitely definitely it was really weird. How the only like identity we got from either of them? This week was through like other peoples couples. What should did you have to be defined by? Your views on something else like not good and like I said like Elizabeth has definitely. I've never disliked Elizabeth. I just didn't really feel like I knew her at all. I do feel I like. I like Elizabeth more after this week but Zack's just not doing it for me seems like he's probably he's young he is. Probably you know fine on the outside but I'm just I'm not standing as a happening yeah no we we will not be standing Caitlyn ash on twitter at Caitlyn two-to-seven said what do you think they could improve on for a second season. Can They Somehow capture the U K magic which I think they did capture the U K magic. I would say we definitely had like a warming up period. I think this last week especially and I don't know how much you want to attribute to emily. Specifically has been like a fun week of the U._K.. Version that I know I know we we've been having a which just ended for most but as I am behind we've been having a phenomenal U._k.. Version shouldn't this season but I think it's on par with especially the first season of the U._k.. And like a season four it's about the same aim for me. I probably could come down to a slightly better casting. Don't cast as many likeable people give me like exciting fun poppy exactly exciting hop people as well we need. I think that the pacing could be a little bit different. I think that there was a few points where just based on when people came in the recoupling happen too fast and there wasn't room for anything to grow or create any drama and so I think if they adjust the pacing a little bit that for next season my thing is I feel like we get a fair number of scenes which are just like fluff and fun John and I like those because they can be used to build characters and make me feel like I really know the person more so but I feel like a lot of them were just like funny. Inserts like Oh look there was a moth near the couples and then they ran which like that doesn't tell me anything about someone so you can insert that for like a second but then give me actual Woah character-building scenes and just make you better use of your time I understand that they wanted to bring in a number of new islanders and that's why like everything was so fast taste but just let me get to know people more so yeah exactly like leave a little room to breathe and then Elizabeth Elizabeth Barry Nine on twitter twitter says <hes> is it just me or does every I just got a text reaction get more ridiculous. I feel like with all the time I'd be planning the most reactions possible and I think this really came to to ahead when Yemen got a Texas Week and he was like I got a text. He's like dancing. He's screaming. He keeps saying it that was I think the craziest easiest one yeah I think it was the type of thing we're in the beginning of the season. It was like okay like I give a little more energy and they've really taken that and run. I think it'll mellow mellow out in the U._K.. Version had generally they'll scream. Everyone will an all run over but I don't need you know the guys leapfrogging over each other and like doing seeing all of the fortnight dances like we can calm it down a half step I can't I can't believe we didn't talk about the leapfrogging that was actually really impressive for like a minute but then it was like we'll be there in seven minutes to sit on the wheel time the real time leapfrogging on the shell okay that is a very fair point. I I will side with you on that. One okay so that is it for the questions that is it for Love Island week four we will. I'll be back next week to talk about the finale. I'll be talking to hassle and Gaiman and fingers crossed for Winston and I will we'll be talking to the couple of wins at the end of it also look forward to all of that Scali. Where can people find you? I am on twitter twitter. Instagram specifically twitter is definitely better at Brian Underscore scally B. R. I. A. N. Underscore S._e._A.. L. L. Y.. Her and you can find me on all social media at Hurston said White and you can catch me doing a pretty regular update update on big brother also on the rops feed as well as doing riverdale recaps over on caskey CAST DOT COM. That's cow with a K.. So thank you so much for checking us out this week. Thank you so much just got saint-pierre for editing imposed in this episode and we'll see you next time hi. It's Jamie progressive's number one number two employee leave a message at the Hey Jamie. It's me Jamie this. Is Your daily Pep Talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about your acapella group mad harmony but you will bounce back. I mean you're the guy always helping people find coverage options with the name your price tool. It should be you giving me the the pep talk now. 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We're back for Season 3!

FT Everything Else

03:13 min | 2 months ago

We're back for Season 3!

"COVID nineteen has cost lives and shocked the economy in ways few could have imagined but as businesses adapt, the threat of the climate emergency continues to grow. I'm alannah Weston Chairman of Selfridge's group and I believe that sustainability will be the next big disruptor of my industry. Join me in conversation with the pioneers who are driving change in my new podcast, how to lead a sustainable business available wherever you listen to podcasts. It's a radically transformed world and culture call is back for season three. I'm Lila Raptopoulos and while my covers Griselda Murray Brown is on maternity leave I'm doing something slightly different. I'll be bringing you a special six part series on how this pandemic is changing our cultural rituals are institutions, and even the work we create. On this podcast, we interview brilliant creators who we really believe are shifting culture forward. But as you know over the past six months, culture hasn't shifted it's morphing into something entirely new. Right now, we are living through quite a bit a global pandemic, a civil rights movement, a climate crisis, and a massive election here in the US. We can't know how the story will end were still in the middle of it. But what we do know is that things that would have seemed impossible before are possible now. Join me for a series of conversations with the creative icons who are shaping culture. Today I've invited them on to explore. Pretty big. Like. How are they making sense of this historic moment? What is it doing for their work and how are they envisioning? What's next? You'll also hear from some of my colleagues. Those are the journalists and critics behind the F. T. award-winning life and arts journalism. We, are kicking off the season with the irreputable artist and filmmaker Miranda July. She has just released a feature film in a pandemic and it's called college. I mean, the funny thing is. This movie is less weird. Way. Like the world got. That first episode drops next week. That's Friday October ninth wherever you listen to us whether that's apple spotify a cast podcast, hit the subscribe button until your friends do the same, you can also follow us on twitter were at F. T. Culture call and I'm on Instagram at Lila Rack. Twenty twenty is an unfathomable year. Let's make our way through the rest of it together. Covert nineteen has cost lives and shocked the economy in ways few could have imagined but as businesses adapt, the threat of the climate emergency continues to grow I'm alannah Weston Chairman of self-righteous group at. That sustainability will be the next big disruptor of my industry. Join me in conversation with the pioneers who are driving change in my new podcast how to lead sustainable business available wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Monitor Show 12:00 09-23-2020 12:00

Bloomberg Radio New York - Recording Feed

01:42 min | 2 months ago

Monitor Show 12:00 09-23-2020 12:00

"He's Bloomberg Radio. From Bloomberg world headquarters in New York to our TV and radio audiences worldwide. I'm David Weston welcome now to balance of power where the world of politics meets the world of business Fed chair Jay Powell was following his testimony yesterday before the house Financial Services committee with more testimony today this time in front of the house select committee on the coronavirus crisis. Welcome now Michael McKee Bloomberg economics editor makes sense of all this so Mike we talked about this you've heard what the chair has to say today all are we learning anything new or is the main thing we're learning is that he basically said was he what he has to say. I think that's the case David. I mean this was a much more political than yesterday with Democrats spending a lot of their questioning time criticizing President Trump's response to the coronavirus and Republicans spending a lot of their time arguing that opening up the economy in schools or would help both sides would help. Well, it would help everyone out J Powell steering a middle course in the hearing today saying we need to do more for the economy, but we need to make sure we do. Safely a lot of criticism of the fed's Main Street program in particular which we also heard yesterday pile saying well, what we're doing is trying to open up the markets where for the larger companies that fund themselves that way and with Main Street. Most people have been able to get loans so we can't do a whole lot to improve that although he did call on Congress to increase lending programs for small businesses. Yeah. They have a challenge because the Fed was just not set up Mike. You know it better than I do not set up to do sort of small retail loans on Main Street. Yeah and Paul made.

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Episode 25: West Virginia Ghost Sandwich

TV Literate

56:38 min | Last month

Episode 25: West Virginia Ghost Sandwich

"Hello everyone. Welcome to TV literate a podcast the undead medically. Enjoy his thrashing T. I'm Gillian and I'm Megan. We're here. We're here. Yay. We're back. Oh shit the cat just made some weird noises back their home happens. We're back. We're back in Action. What have you been watching back? What have you been using to distract yourself from this buffering hellscape from the hot mess? Well, so there are things I feel like my watching has been very disjointed and I was at first I was like, oh no, what am I going to talk about? And then I was looking at all this I was like, oh I have plenty of shit to talk about. Hold on. So one thing that I want to mention it just started last week. So there's only one episode of it right now, but it is the brand new first time since 2011. I think season of 16 and Pregnant on MTV. They are Reviving dead. Which is a good good news because pretty much anyone who watch Teen Mom knows like Teen Mom now is so fucking boring because they're all like thirty now the kids are like off. Yeah. It's like it's not super interesting. So to get some fresh new teenagers. Not that I'm like happy for their situation, but it's it's definitely makes for more interesting watching so the first Dead premiered last week, so I watched that and it was great. So if you're into that stuff, I definitely suggest watching Sixteen pregnant. Also I watched what is I I didn't write the name of the documentary down, but it's the Chris Watts documentary on Netflix on American American murder Americans are thing. Yeah, the Chris Watts one that everyone's watching. We watched it too. It was so good. It was really good. I liked it was I liked how it was basically all told and like first-person footage like the footage of the from the police officer when they like reported to their her house with her friend called in and said she didn't know she was and also a lot of shenanigans like Facebook posts and stuff which almost made it like those are because she was in an MLM. Of course, of course, you can tell just by the way, she was speaking in those videos that it like that's that's why they were posted that way like that's a hundred percent how all MLM people speak when they're talking and their videos song, but it was it was interesting to see it made it feel really like more personal and just even more tragic than it already was. I mean, what a horrible story for real like it was such a documentary. But yeah, I still sucking hate that guy. He's the fucking worst. He's the worst. I cannot the worst part for me was that he like tried to blame her for killing the kids and then saying that like he killed her because she killed the kids and it's like hello fuk. Can you talk about your wife that you just murdered when you literally just murdered your I guess I just it just takes a certain level of hatred that kill someone and so once you've killed them, who is that cares if you're going to turn your surname you literally that's true life and their body. It's just all I just it's all way too much for me. I just don't understand how how anyone could do that to their own family. I don't even think I could kill Like a Stranger out of Rage. No me either. I I like any type of Confrontation is like a no-go for me so long. Yeah. I'm not going to kill my family like I might be able to kill someone who was trying to kill me. Maybe maybe it depends on the circumstances. Honestly. I don't have a lot of faith in myself situation I place If someone tries to kill me as hide or run. Yes, exactly. Exactly God what I always used to say I would do was I would and now I'm realizing this is not a plan. I can really use any more but I would inject them with my insulin because it would like make their blood sugar go low and I don't really know how like a non-diabetic spotty would react but it probably wouldn't be great because your body still going to make insulin anyway, so that's what I thought but now I don't have injections anymore. So I can't even do that cuz I have my insulin pump. So now I'm gonna have to figure out another wrote. What else I got it? What else can I use to kill someone? Let's think what can I use self-defense in my house? That's around my like bedside table exactly. You always have to be it's always good to be thinking about these things. You know, I think that's why I women or so into True Crime is in general is because it's like oh shit. Okay. Yeah, I got that. I got that going to take notes say yeah. It's like how our brain is kind of naturally wired. We just because it's how we have to live in order to stay alive. Almost great. Great to be a woman isn't okay. It's great to be a woman. Great to be alive. It is great. It's just so it's all just so great. What can we say? Just having a great time here in America. The world is a great place America is not the best. It's ever been right now in America. Great. Again. We had a literal outbreak in the white house that was bigger than like whole country's had had that same week off. So yeah, we're doing great over here holyshit. That's wild what the last I mean the whole year has been crazy. But the last couple of weeks like it's like I cannot even fathom how I think we all just put all of our faith and hope into the Halloween season for like something to go right that we've had some good news in October 1st. It's been a it's been a song about October so far compared to the rest of the year, at least I know oh, so I was feeling like real weird on Saturday. I had like one of those like kind of hovering at a fiber additional frequency days. Absolutely. Yeah, and I realize it's because nothing happened like there was nothing crazy that happened and I know it was my mind. It's like all this like panjab. When's it going to happen when you're going to drop and there's just nothing and so you just have all this like extra anxious energy just doesn't around inside you. Yeah. No, that's where I was at cuz said that to me when I was like, yep. Still like out of sorts and he's like, yeah. No. Yeah. No, it's cuz nothing's happened today and it's been the first day and like three hundred and five days. But yes that we could just like not checked off every 2 seconds for updates. I'm like, oh, I guess I just have to look at Twitter Twitter jokes. Yeah, how darn and then it's like wow, this is what the old days were like, you know, jet puffed. Marshmallow. Marshmallow. Marshmallow marshmallow jet puffed. Marshmallow. Wow, the jet puffed. Marshmallow Josh Josh Duggar the newest charge Doug. They replaced Josh Josh. Josh is probably better than Josh. So yeah, it's hard to be worse. All right. So what what have you been watching Julia? So I have been on speaking movies mostly. Yes. We did. We did re-watch her birth. The 3D last night, which I count is to actually TV because it should have been just made for TV. Right but oh man so good such an iconic trash horror film all of it. But other than that left Chris Watts, we've been watching The Haunting of blind matter. Which okay. Yeah is destroying my soul slowly cause that's what Mike Flanagan does. He's like. Hey, have you heard about drama and grief. Would you like to think about it for about ten to twelve hours? Oh, that sounds fun. Really cool. I have heard. It's really good though. That's so good. We're six episodes in and it's very good. But very heavy. Yeah. I feel like I don't watching much trash, but I know I have been wage. I think I'm just watching random trash like this channel surfing Josh. Yeah. I've been watching like a lot of YouTube stuff and I watched a lot of news which is trash. Yeah. So yeah, it wasn't like a dog Out of like I didn't watch like a series or anything. It was just kind of like a bunch of little things you're out. My attention span lately has been like it doesn't exist. It's like 5 minutes. Give me five minutes off when I have been watching hilariously I guess is I've just been watching like really soothing 10-minute food video documentaries like that butter one that's making its way around Twitter often like in like how to make appetizers from a different country is I don't know it was that's awesome. That's how I've been self seating food is the most soothing the world and so like watching things about food amazing, especially food that you can't have like get yourself. Yeah, like I want to if I can't go and find and eat new food. I will watch new food. Exactly. Perfect. And then you don't have to like worry about the calories. Not that I do but you don't have to yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter and like I can't eat pork. I have to worry about eating the pork that I see on the TV. I'm like, oh man those look like I'm good fucking dumplings. I can't eat them, but they look great. Yes exactly can appreciate them without dying hacking into that stone into actual liquid. Yes. Just timing. What are those like humor those bags that were like the Discovery store or whatever and they were full of water and it was like the to the sink bath. Yes. Yeah, you could squeeze it and it's like really really suggestive. Oh hand motions. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I turn into one of those when I I feel that I I know exactly that feeling so I relate to that but definitely anyway that money on so today we decided that since it is October Ruby season. We are Prime in the middle of it. It's finally like the leaves are turning. He said it's beautiful. We took a really beautiful drive yesterday and it was like so many beautiful trees and that's just fall and it spooked it's crisp and there's fog crisp. Yes. Oh God, it's like the epitome of fall right now. And so we decided to do something a little spooky and we are going to do another episode of our paranormal show show down. So I did this I think like way way back when like back in the spring or early summer. Yeah where we like took a couple of different paranormal shows and we watched the episodes from a one specific. Play sand kind of compared to them. And so we did that with a different place Julian. Do you want to talk about the place that we chose for this for this showdown? Yes. I do first want to process this with the fact that we are going to be using some problematic words because that is the name of this place. It is the trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. There is some questionable things in the history of this place down to say just say, yes, but this is also local to us like we did Bobby Mackey's last time which was local to you. And then this time I have been back to the trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. Yes. It's in Weston West Virginia, which I've never been there. It's really beautiful. It looks like the building itself look beautiful and that at length of the episodes. They showed some like Drone footage of so beautiful like this tiny little Hamlet down. It's super cute. Yeah. I'm sure it's gorgeous right now go fall like right now in the peak fall off. The reason that we went is because it was four years ago in September. I thought this was like two years ago, but no, it's been like half a fucking decades since I've been here, but I know long time it's been crazy. Yes. We went to a work conference. I think at the Stonewall Jackson resort which cools Daniel Jackson, but that's like really like beautiful like Hotel basically on a big leg and you can like kayak and there's bridges over it's a little cabins and I don't know it's like an idea licorice it like Yeah, but it is just up the road from Weston. And so we decided to ramble on down and it was really funny and fun and we ended up spending I think like six hours and tours there because we really okay. So we did the historic tour. Okay, but wait, there's a mentally insane tour. Okay, we're going to do that one. And then there's the Paranormal of course. Oh hell. Yeah, definitely and you have to be mentally insane to do the mentally insane tour. I mean, I would qualify. I mean I qualify too. I think that's how definitely yeah, good good. Yeah. Well, I know that I'll be allowed in. Yeah, I mean, okay. So I you know that list of mental health reasons, that's actually from the trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum and they still have it like a door and everything and I know they talk about it in one of the episodes but like around like Tumblr and has since like I feel like I've definitely seen it on the internet before and yeah, they mentioned a couple of like the the game Isn't like somebody to be a better and one of like all of them. I applied to one of them was novel reading novel reading which obviously yeah, the one that like applied to me that I'd be like. Oh fuck I'm fucked is a refusal to drink milk or something like that. I hate milk, so I be fucked. Yeah. No, that's that's fair. I understand. Yeah, like literally anything anything they could possibly think of yeah and like so when we were there, we got a lot of cool background about it that like so start opened in 1898. It was originally planned to be built and whatever 1864 but then the whole like creation of West Virginia happened with the Civil War and all that historical stuff. So they didn't really have the time resources or people power to create this hospital. But once they did finally get it complete. Fucking dudes would just drop their wives off there and say that they're hysterical because they wanted to get with their like pregnant mistress and shit. Yep. That sounds right. Yeah, which back in the beginning I have been too bad when it was like the 250 people that it was made for like everyone has their own room. It was like they're doing amazing restoration there. It's like it's I know that Ghost Hunters talked about it a bit odd, cuz they went in 2014, which was right about when they started doing a lot of the restoration but when we went in 2016, there was like a whole Wing that was just like totally restored was still pretty fucken creepy. It was beautiful. It had like all the like old furniture and they were trying to keep everything like as historically accurate as they could and so high school. It was really cool and could have been like a really nice place off to recuperate if it were not a place where they basically torture to just a little bit just such I'll just a fraction just a tiny bit ago. Well, yeah like you said It was built for 250 people that was like supposed to be how many people were going to be in this and it's like a huge building but like 250 people is a lot of people and make it spread out and ended up serving like closer twenty-four twenty-five hundred people literally ten times the amount of people it was supposed to which is fucking insane and I'm sure it's still the case today like we're going out of this and you know, our grandkids are going to hear about it and a hundred years and be like, I guess Mildred Bateman Hospital up the street in Huntington. Oh, yeah, it was built for five or more people but there were five thousand people and it's like it was all because of covid-19. Right. Yeah. No, definitely. I mean especially for like meant for mentally ill patients who like cannot, you know, under necessarily understand or Advocate situations at all, right exactly. Like that's that's really horrible and horrifying to think about but I'm sure it's still like you said, I'm sure it's still very prevalent today, which is horrifying which sucks but I think we're doing a little bit better. Mostly cuz I don't know if they're that many cages where you get trapped don't other people and they kill you. Yeah. Also, I don't think they're doing lobotomies very often anymore know but they are still doing electroconvulsive therapy. That's cool. They do put you under for it now though so that you don't have to feel the shocks go through your body. That's nice. That's nice. I finally decided wow. Yeah. No. I don't know what else to say. Did you have anything else you wanted to say about like your visit to their or like anything about the building in particular or anything? Oh shit. Okay, so I have to do a couple of things off on that. I didn't see any of the shows in the Civil War Barracks section that they talked about. They have dragged nights there and set up a like catwalk and off red Green's come and perform and everybody from town comes. That's awesome. That's cool, too. They turn the entire Place into a haunted house in October. That's awesome wage and damn covid-19 go wait, they're doing it. So they're doing timed entry with masks. So okay. I I'm not feeling it. Yeah, maybe next year's them but not everybody else. That's that's it. Yes a hundred percent maybe next year or two years from now. And the last thing is that none of these shows really? Just on it. But this Hospital in the space was like so big and so beautiful and such like a fixture of Weston that they used it for community events like up until like the sixties and seventies like all the doctors live in town. So that have like Ballroom dinner parties and movie nights. And so like, you know patients that had good behavior or you know weren't violent or whatever could be angle with the community and it was like this really good cool place and then they started using it for more and more criminally charged court-ordered people who were violent and so it became much more like weird and that feeling yeah, but yeah, that was always the coolest thing is like hospitals and doctoring and like caring for ill people was so much more of like a Community Practice. Yes, it's yes definitely interesting to think about that and how it's kind of like progressed over time one of the other things that song. And and I think all up all three episodes probably was that this is I think it said it was the second largest hand-cut Stone building a world after the Kremlin it is the second largest building in the world of hand Mason Sandstone. Yes, say, yes, which place you want every tour as well. Yes, they're very proud of that. But I think that the reason why I'm bringing that up is because there's like this theory that bulb Sandstone Limestone absorbs kind of energy and that's why they think there's so much activity at this place because not only did like so much horrific things happen in the place, but all birthstone all the stones around and were there to like absorb all the energy and keep it so that's why they think it's so fucking haunted the Rocks remember the rocks Yes, and I guess my last final personal anecdote of this for this point in time. I did not see any ghosts. That said Chris did not see any ghosts, but he said he felt bad juju. That's I think that's valid. Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty hard to see like when you're going on a ghost tour like it's how often do you see ghosts on that kind of thing. Like that's not when a ghost is going to come out and say hi. Yeah. Well ya know like they'll be like Flinch. Does you clean in your exactly like when I I know that when I come back from the dead and I'm haunting probably Kyler like I'm not going to be I'm going to want to haunt him when he's not expecting it when he's not looking for it. I want to freak him out. I'm not going to be like, oh, there's people looking for me. I'm going to come out now. He'll know that's when I'm staying the fuk away. I'm like, you guys are going to like try and resurrect me or something. I don't know. Yeah playing hard-to-get as ghosts. I just hope I'm not a ghost ever. I don't really like the whole list list for eternity Vibe. I wouldn't bring a ghost if I could like pop in and out of being a ghost if I didn't have to like be a ghost for like ever yeah, like if like like just like walking back and forth the same Soldier route that you got killed off or whatever exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're like an intelligent ghost, right, which I'm going to be an intelligent goes. I mean as me come on the reason we're in the trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum is novel reading exactly and the milk, but we won't talk about that. All right. So which episode do you want to start with so we watched? Okay. So the what the episodes that we watched were we watched portals to hell with Jack Osbourne, which I had never seen before now. I had only ever seen one episode of it and then I was like, oh shit they have one on. Yeah Asylum and then we watched Ghost Adventures and we watched Ghost Hunters as well. So which one do we want to start with? Let's start with Ghost Adventures because it booked and sucked. It was so fucking bad. Okay. So this was their literal Ghost Adventures literal One and Only Live special because I think it was so fucking bad that they like there's a month or two things on. This one is the reason that I always hate Zak Bagans and began. I remember the fuk is name is and the other part is that it was seven fucking hours long on t v. Yeah. No one wants. It wasn't in for 7 hours now, but the dude Robert, you know, I think he's like the white hair guy. Yeah. Yeah, he at one point in the live show off was holding his game after detector and it got thrown across the room and he's like, oh God, it goes to it out of my hands and then apparently one of the fans was looking on one of the live streams and saw that he had thrown it and suck. One of the first like you're fucking faking it back moments. Yeah, so they never did it again. Yes, that doesn't surprise me at all. Like I think that the only thing that like on their normal show like a normal episode of Ghost Adventures, it's like five minutes of them actually investigating and then them just like rebirth saying audio over and over again and that is was so different from the life format. That was just like watching these people like be so fucking dramatic and I couldn't even follow what was going on because there was no like voice over there is nothing like no narration of any kind. It was just a fucking hot goddamn s so bad and so back when I was a kid, we like to go centers which I think we've talked about before and Ghost Hunters always did a 24-hour marathon with an ending of a live ghost hunt on Halloween. And this was Ghost Adventures trying to compete with that and it did not go well and I don't know the whole second time. He's just screaming and it was just so much yelling. It was just so much yelling opening like section is very he's looking at that like fucking casket with the electrical outlet like electric. I don't know they never explain what the fuck it was. It might have been like a Tesla coil or it was but it was like never that was the things like they've never talked about what they were doing where they were what the history behind it was like they had like little like pre-recorded segments about the place but those didn't necessarily correspond with where they were investigating. It was just kind of like half Hazard Lee put together. It was a it was a goddamn mess like one of the worst things I've seen recently the edited version of like it was yes long and the two hours special that they put on the DVD at the end of the second season cuz they wouldn't even let this be an actual episode. It's two hours that the page. Someone just decided to like cut out every 5 minutes and just stick it together. Yeah, it was interesting because when I was looking for this episode, I saw like all the other episodes from the season were available on like Travel Channel app and stuff. I couldn't and I was trying to figure out why the fuck I could not find this episode and I was like, oh they don't want people to see it. That's why that's why I couldn't find it. Yeah, it took off some digging and it's like it had so much potential because the dude that they did have doing like the overall narration and stuff. He reminded me so much of like the ghostwatch guy. Hm, like just walk in general like the Forensic Files guy. Yeah. Yeah like that Vibe. Yeah where he could have like been like, oh, well, something's happening here audience daughter that all instead of just being like and now over jobs that conducts like I better gig I touched my Well, that's the other thing the whole like I think part of the gimmick was that people watching live could like go on their website and they had like a bunch of different cameras and they can go and see if like, they could see anything happening wage. So I guess like like obviously we met settle about stuff we missed there was a lot of like interactive stuff, but I'm not super interested in that kind of stuff. It was just it was just a mess though, like gnome no coordination. They they needed to plan that a lot better. Yeah. It makes me wonder like how many times I have to go back to the same locations to continue filming to poop to actually get like a full episode of content, right? Yep. Definitely. It was a mess. So I mean they've like some stuff happened like they got some activity but I like I said, it was so hard to follow it was a going on that like, I don't know nothing really stuck out to me in terms of like super interesting stuff. No. No, it was it was it was it was bad. It was hard to I'm sorry, I made us watch it. But no, it's okay. I'm glad that we had like it's kind of nice to have like one really bad one cuz I think it helps to like compared. The other one's a little bit to have like something so bad to compare them to wage exactly. We really appreciate how that goes countries is for real for real. So should we do portals to hell since something was fun? Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I had a really good time with this like I love Jack Osbourne. Yeah, it was it was really like it was really chill this this episode was like I said, this was the first time I'd ever seen this show. I didn't even know the song existed. All right. So this this show has like I said, we've talked about Jack Osbourne and his partner is Katrina. Do we know who I don't know really anything about her. She does the other Travel Channel. What's your fucken name, Katrina Weidman? Like may have the good last name? Yeah, lockdown. Okay, I've heard of that but I I think I've seen a couple episodes but it's been a long time. Yeah. I mean, I don't watch a lot of the like off off Broadway goes says I guess like I watched like the Syfy one the BuzzFeed one and that's about it. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, no shoes cute and fun. Yeah. Yeah, they were both I like wage because I think I definitely my biggest problem with the Ghost Adventures is how kind of like sensationalized it all is and how dramatic they all are and how like serious and and I obviously realized that like some situations and these talk shows are very serious like a lot of very like serious and traumatic stories and stuff. But like the way that like Zac response to like the job he's doing it makes it seem like he's like curing cancer. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean like he takes himself way too seriously, so it's nice but like Jack and Katrina have some like chemistry and both having birth. City and like Syria the right moments and then they can like oh, haha. You touched me. I thought you were a ghost and laugh it off. Exactly. Yeah. There's it was a good good vibe between them and just like a good amount of kind of Obviously like believing in paranormal but still like skepticism and not like constantly just jumping to oh my God, it's Goose. Yeah. Yeah exactly like yeah I talked about I was going to say a ghost hunters playing while we do that one Jesus Christ. Okay, my friend decided nothing. Okay. I did like in the way that they talked about how how the land is 666 acres and there's 13 Bill. Yes. It was so I was like goddamn they were just fucking asking for it off like whoever the fuk plans this out like new the fuk what they were doing with the stone the 666 the 13 buildings. They wanted it to be haunted and you know, what respect? Yeah respect. I mean like this is this is the building that I would expect to be the most haunted. Yes a hundred percent. Let's see. I have a I have a quote. I don't know who said this but it was they were responding to when they were like kind of taking a tour of the building name is like kind of like claw marks on a door and someone said quote the sheer power of someone who is mentally ill and upset about something is amazing. And I said wow, you should just ask Kyler about I know I know that it was just like it was trying to say like when you feel trapped in a cage, you have a lot of extra like force but sheer power up until yelpers and it was it was so wild I loved I just loved how it was found. That was worth it. I can imagine that like, I think they're with Rebecca the owner Sean. How she's yes, like heard the stupidest shit come out of people's help about this kind of stuff. Oh, yeah. I'm sure she's just really horribly ignorant stuff that people say oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh shit. So this was the one where they took the fucking mask of the guy. I'll get to the story of second The Mask. I have a picture of me with the mask. Hell, yeah, I guess you're famous. There was a little nearer so that you could see the back of the mass to see like the stuff that had glued inside of it. And so you could when you took a picture of it you were in the mirror with the mask, that's authors. Yeah. Yeah, the art was Subaru upsetting. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure it's like oh, oh you're trying out your childhood traumas like Daddy strangles Sean Paul song. That's Happy. So do you do you want to tell us about the bedpost murder room, which is what it's what everyone calls it? Yes. I love I love that the bedpost movie room. So there's seven rooms for dudes who got too violent. This is basically solitary confinement and they had like a big metal door and then like a metal screen on the inside and obviously dead. Sometimes they were more than seven people who were getting And to Ruckus and needed to be secluded so they had to Violent patients with one mentally impaired patient. They said the whole child like nonverbal possibly but you just like sometimes lash out and that's why he was in there. But like he was very like he was like a child. Yeah. Yeah. He was just not. Yes, not they're not there. And so the two violent patients. However, we're in there for court orders for violent crime, which listens before they had the back building which I thought all like the Federal Building or the you know, I had to have written this down forensic building forensic. Okay, which is the place where they ended up taking all the people who either had gotten charged with Or not charged with but you know you get off on reasons of insanity or whatever. And so it was like super bad super violent all the stories that they told their they were like, yeah, so there's all these bars here. I'm basically just let it ruin kill each other because when the guards go in there, they would literally tear them apart. I was like cool this is doing a lot for a lot of things. Yes. Anyways, sorry back to the bedpost murder room. So those two guys were basically torturing the other guy the boss. I would like guy without. Oh how nice way how to say that like, I know it's it's it's yeah, it's not great. It's not it's not a great weight way to approach that. I don't think God. Yeah, okay. I don't like mentally deficient is not the right thing. Yeah. Yeah, and so I have it in my notes and I'm like Okay. Yeah, so they basically hung this guy from the rafters of the bedsheet until you pass out and then they would bring them down and he would revive and they do it again and again that they realised oh shit. This guy might tell someone there might notice that he has marks on his neck. And so they laid him down on the floor and picked up the bed and all his Temple held him down and then once I jumped on the bed, so the bedpost went through his skull. Yeah, that's pretty fucked up pretty fucked up man. I'll just the 19080s. This place is open until 1995. Yeah, that's what they said. This happened in the fucking 80s like nothing. Yeah. This isn't like nineteen tent like the nineteen-eighties you you have more technology than this. Yes. You should know better than that for sure restraints for somebody who's being violent and not just put them in a room with someone who historically hasn't been able to defend themselves. Exactly. Yeah. No. so they did a lot of exploration in the bedpost murder room and they brought out the masks that you were talking about, which was cool and kind of it was it was cool to see like The Apparition Spirit, whatever like acknowledging kind of the physical object. Yeah. Yeah. That was cool. It was weird and cool off. It was weird. I feel like they did a lot of good work with sugar objects both in portals to hell and Ghost Hunters cuz like I don't usually see like that kind of reaction to trigger on Jackson most of these shows like you're writing like writing one flicker or something and they'll be right but like both of these had like trigger objects that were like, Getting somebody actually got like a response. Right? Right. And this one was the one where they brought in a psychic psychic medium, which was kind of fun. Like they kind of I liked how thoughtful were into the things that people would say like, oh, you know, she just knew where she was going. She was just she was taking cues from people's faces with the room and they had her blindfolded and driven there without telling her where it was and yeah, they were really they really put like in a lot of a lot of measures to make it seem as authentic as they could which is which is really great. Yeah that they would at least like think about that even yeah exactly. Like these are always the questions or like the things that I yell at the T when I'm watching shows like this or like documentaries or YouTube videos and I'm like, why didn't you make a cat person? Why did you let them research anything? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's like yeah, you can tell you can always see right through it. But but yeah, it was it was it was very interesting to watch the watch the psychic kind of go through and kind of the stuff that dog. Saying really seem to line up with a lot of the stories that have been told about the patience there. So that was cool. Yeah, and she was she was still yeah. Yeah, she was like psychics cuz often times they really lean heavily on like a magic Gypsy is and I'm like cool right offensive and gross. Yeah, it was real relaxed. She was just like normal lady off. Yeah probably dogs together. Sometimes that's okay. That's cool. I'm told that yeah, whatever what else would say about her boss? Yeah, so she went to the bedpost room and she before they had told the story or anything. She feels attended presence. She felt like there was like Hey, like something hanging around her neck or happiness on her neck and that apparently this plug-in sad dude you got fucken murdered is being stuck in this Loop of hanging and dead. Smashing with the bedpost which that's the worst way to be a ghost. Yeah. No. Thanks. That sounds awful. That's yeah, that's all if that's my only option. I don't want to be a ghost. I'm good, please I don't need I don't need to haunt. Anyone I can I can I can live without it. Yeah, you're not live without it. I guess open died and just be gone. Yeah, that's fine. That's Jill. That's better than behind my time. They also took her into this hallway, which they called the Jane Harvey hallway, which very named after a patient basically who committed suicide in there and people hear her name hear her. They don't know exactly which room she was in but they did take the psychic into the hallway and she picked the room and she said, you know, it's kind of a greenish blue paint and they like Pan the camera around and she had picked a fucking green room with a blindfold on I'm still mad about that. Yeah. Yeah. Come on, how does you know? Yeah, I mean, I I don't think I have like a ton more to say about this episode. They didn't have like anything like super huge or creepy happened to them, but I thought it was a real good investigation really interesting. I really liked how kind of calm it was. It wasn't crazy and overdone. Yeah, it was like, you know curious. I don't know like just I don't know like interesting curiosity or something. I don't really know what the vibe is. I'm trying to say but like they just you know, they were interested. They were curious what was happening there, but they weren't like exploitive. Yeah, exactly. They're respectful about it and they didn't just like automatically chalk everything up to being Supernatural which is one of my like biggest pet peeves of these type of shows and Ghost Adventures is really bad about that kind of stuff. But yeah, so I think that's you have any more thoughts on that one. Okay. I did just see this myself. I would like to say WTF Valerie on the fourth floor. They always say that's like really spooky up in the fourth floor was just like oh, oh, yeah. I saw a black mass and the tentacle reached out at me and I was like, all right, girl where the tentacle come from is location home. This like but yeah that was funny and I guess the other thing I have left I have up to say yeah, me too. So let's move on to Ghost Hunters a big boys the big boys and this was like, what was this there like two hundred hundred episode? Yeah. And so it was like a two-hour special and they had like a bunch of kind of guests people which I haven't seen a ton of Ghost Hunter so I didn't know I felt like I was supposed to know more people than I did. Yeah, but that's okay. That's okay. Like I mean, I'm so all the people that they all the people that they brought Em are just people that they had worked with in the past and had either gotten them show or retired or whatever like grants right was back this time from the original Maps team cuz he had been gone for like two years which they give you a little background on right? Yeah. This is an entire child's childhood. Yeah, I missed that one and did true. Yeah, and so they basically did the same. I mean there's focused on the same places as portals to hell but they did do a lot more like spooky investigation time. Oh shit. Okay. So the first thing I have to say about this one is something that you said to me right when you start watching it too so that when they're introducing Westin, they've got like some of the craziest people are West Virginia stayed here and like I hate The Stereotype that West Virginians are like crazy hillbilly backwards incest brother fuckers, but there's the Jitter medley crazy people here there are I there yes there West Virginia is such an interesting place. I can't even describe it. Like I feel like as a non-native West Virginia and you can kind of understand like it's just a a different place here and I love it. So, I mean, I'm not saying it's a bad bad place. But yeah, there's there's there's some interesting people here. There's a lot of kind of different types of people in West Virginia, too. So, yeah, so the the thought of the the craziest the scariest people in West Virginia being in one building together is terrifying off. Like shoe but you know, I'm sure this was at a time where West Virginia was not suffering The Way West Virginia suffered now though probably not Civil War time might not have been great since birth their estate. Other challenges, you know, so hey maybe don't do slavery in Virginia sleep. Fuck you do slavery. So if anyone didn't know that history West Virginia exists because fuck you don't do slavery. Exactly. Yeah, we still have a million of people flying Confederate flags. In fact, you know stupidest the worst people like the competitors is done and short-lived and on American and unpatriotic whatever but we were literally created not Confederacy exactly. Like that's the whole reason why West Virginia exists. Yeah, because anti yeah. No, I mean anyway historical hypocrisy of West Virginians is interesting. Yeah, you could say that that's one word for it. All right back to the matter at hand right after this part. They were walking around and Grant and Joe and one of the girls was walking around they were in the I think the Jane Harvey hallway, they walked in their own they were in the kitchen area dead. They walked in there and it just looks the camera and he says wow feels like a ghost sandwich in here. I have that. I have that in my notes too. I love that. We're light. It's like a ghost sandwich. I'm like, oh, okay. I love yeah. I love I love kind of and Ghost Hunters like the mixture of the really serious moments and then the like lighter funny moments. It's it really they really balance each other out really well. So I I really enjoy I feel like that's kind of how if you and I were ghost hunters or like if you know, most of my friends were Ghost Hunters, we'd all be like that cuz there's you know, you talk about the real serious stuff, but then you have to have the release of that tension a dark building getting spooked like yeah, definitely and I'm like, I'm like a total like dark humor type of person. So like if I could definitely by both that so I appreciate it. Yeah, like Ghost Hunters just feels like the Parents, I guess I was like BuzzFeed unsolved where yeah, just cracking jokes and torturing each other, right? Yes. I guess you don't really like each other if you have nine hours of investigating to God. Yeah, you really do you couldn't do that with somebody you couldn't stand like there's no way so they had they went to the I guess was it called the civil war room is what it was called and they were like looking through documents that were in there and they I don't know. I'm sorry. I do not know the investigators name is Joe Joe Joe. So they reported feeling like a pool or like a tugging on their clothes or their back and then when they were looking at like the video evidence, they saw the movement in the papers behind them when they felt that which is like really cool. I thought that was really awesome. I know I just love it the ghost sandwich scene also was one of the times that I felt like You know, it wasn't just them being like spooked or them being, you know, trying to look for something cuz they like got so still and so quiet and just like that way full body shifts just like we something weird is happening. Yeah, you could tell they were like physically feeling something. It wasn't just like them putting on an act. Yeah, which is all I want to do. I just want to see people really to go home. Yes. Yes exactly. I want to see people get the shit scared out of them. Let's see. So this was the episode where they did the bone chisels. Lobotomy is that was cool. This is Joe and I can't remember the other guy's name cuz he's one of the newer guys and I didn't like I don't know any of the new guys his name's yeah, sorry, but they had The Bouncing Souls and I had the next like a proximity sensor that lit up when something was close to it or touched it. And so they were looking at the papers in the other room and then I looked down the hallway and they said the proximity sensors on and it's just like continuing to be on there talking to it and it's like still standing there and then it just goes off and the never see it again and then Just see if I can ghost. Yeah, it was crazy like walking through the doorway was so weird. Yeah. It was it was weird. And I really I thought I thought I thought that I liked that a lot of the stuff that they found on this episode. It kind of had like multiple things to like correspond with one event kind of like go together. I think that that kind of evidence is just so much more interesting to have like the sensor going off and then the orb anomaly type thing like happening at the same time and then like it's just it's so that stuff is so cool to me. Oh, yeah. So yeah, I really liked that. Yeah, I mean that's was basically everything that happened this episode like where they do like Yeah Bang a door or make a sound and then it would make sense and then be like, yeah that again I could find you in then it would do it again and I'm like, oh, yeah, they're real like it's this is a real active place. It seems like because I feel like there are so many episodes of paranormal shows in general that like, they're just like say something and they just sit in silence. So there's nothing or the light turns on and off once. Yeah, or like the play an EVP. That's like somebody walking past the microphone but it sounds like and I think it means get out or something. You know, that's normally how it is dead older. There was a welder who stayed here one time in nineteen twenty-four. Oh my God. That was my other thing. So they one thing that they were talking about. I think it was this episode. Oh, yeah. They said that they had had people I'm not sure if it was like just like people taking tours or like ghost hunters or whatever that like heard people named Jesse Jane and Jacob and then they like looked back on their records. They were people named those names like dead. Yeah, of course, they're going to be people named Jesse Jane and Jacob and the nineteen hundreds in this fucking huge ass. Like those are the most those are common names three thousand people in the building. There's a janitor Jacob exactly like especially in West Virginia, like maybe if you somewhere else maybe not but right like that's not I don't think that's like I don't think that necessarily mean anything at all I'm saying but it does make me laugh to think about if someone were like, oh I heard a coast and I said Jane Harvey born 1924. Oh, yeah that see that would be scared like social security number one, two, three, four, five six, seven eight nine dead. Yes, exactly. Like that would be that would be a little bit a little bit. That's what it will take to make me believe in ghosts. Exactly. All right. So what else did you want to talk about in terms of Ghost Hunters episode? I don't know. I always liked the Ghost Hunter episodes where they revisit somewhere. They've already been hm. Yeah. Yeah, I like him too because well first off you get like some of the footage spliced and from the first one like but only the best stuff which is like you don't even have to watch the first episode that cuz you got all the good stuff there two times meant Burger exactly and then they kind of are familiar with it. So they kind of know the hotspots a good places to go the things to do the, you know, the ghost to engage with that kind of stuff. So yeah, it was this was a really good episode. It was really good. I'm very proud of him a lot. I hope that actually nice people in your life. And what else is I have to say? I had something in my head? I forgot it. Oh, no. Oh, well, it's gone for me. It's gone. It's gone. But yeah Ghost Hunters. I mean if this episode had been just as good as their regular episodes, I think portals to hell would have beaten it but I do think that would be its portal to hell just just yeah, I agree. This was this was definitely my favorite in terms of basically everything like I did enjoy portals to hell but I I liked kind of the I guess the evidence that we got from this one the kind of different stuff that they did and I also just I really liked well the portals to hell wasn't like entirely like non like funny at any point, but I really liked the like the balance of the really funny parts and the like more serious parts that Ghost Hunters did I felt that that was like the perfect balance for me. So Ghost Hunters gets all the awards for me this time. Me too. But yeah, definitely get that silver medal for ya job. How like I agree once more of that cuz yeah, well Jack Osbourne, I didn't know I love Jack Osbourne because my only real connection to him was from The Osbournes like show when he was like a teenage. Yeah, There's a little shit and Kelly was a little shit. Yeah, I mean there yeah, it was the age it was. Yeah and now he's cool. Cool dude like yeah, he's yeah, he's dead somebody I could watch like regularly cuz he's not a super annoying person. So that's good and Zak Bagans Bagans. I don't know how fucking saves me. I think it's Bagans then he'd be a hobbit was Megan's yeah. He's not a it's not cool enough he wishes he was but yeah, no he gets he doesn't even get the bronze medal he gets off a pile of poop pile of poop. It was just awful like Ghost Adventures is I would say like my least favorite of these three shows and then on top of that this was like an absolutely utterly horrendous episode of Ghost Adventures. Yeah so long it was the worst episode of Ghost Adventures, which is a feat a feat for sure. Yeah. So yeah, they've genuinely cool like spooky place that you don't have. Yeah and Bob Ross I was going to say I'm kind of surprised that they never maybe they're like triggered by it or something, but they never went back cuz you'd think that they would maybe like revisit that to get like an actual good episode, but they have like a million seasons and they I was trying to see I think they've ever gone back. So interesting, maybe they maybe it brings back bad memories of their failed live event. They're only they can't ever go back because then they might be more proof they can ghosts. Exactly darn will tell him. An interview with Jesse Jane and Jacob here we goes. Do you think Zak Bagans deserves to be in hell? No song. Or a little after rough. All right, so I think that's it for for today brain. Is there anything else you wanted to say about those episodes? Oh, it was fun. That was really fun. But I would like to say I don't know if $50 would have gotten my face in that bedpan. No, I literally I've had my notes that I would like I would go face-to-face with a ghost any day of the week before putting my face in a bedpan like that. I'd probably eat the bugs. For fifty bucks. Yeah. Yeah. I know. No. No, I know I don't even care if it was probably just like dirt water know the side of it is just don't know how long it's a note for me. It's a no for me too. So this was a fun episode and I am going to put some links to some pictures of when I went to Weston in the show notes also opens in real life excited. That'll be good. And yeah, so that's it for us. I think so. Yeah if fact you are have you have any suggestions for stuff for us to watch we have a couple of ideas in mind for some the next couple of episodes, but we are looking for some suggestions cuz I know I've been feeling like super uninspired with just television lately. I just haven't found anything really to spark my love of it. Not that I hate it or anything like nothing that really excites me. So if you have any suggestions New stuff old stuff whatever. Feel free to email us. We are T literate at gmail.com. Send us any suggestions or any feedback at all. We would love to hear from you and see if you can find us on social media on Facebook Instagram Twitter Youtube and patreon at T literate and if you would follow us like subscribe, whatever you want to do leave a review we would love it. Would love to hear from you guys. You would yeah, I'm sorry loss or uploading the wrong audio. It happens. Alvin we fixed it, it's good. I'm sorry. Thank you Instagram commentator who told me that eight minutes added nothing happening yet, So yeah. Yeah, those are pretty show so that that lucky listener got to listen to some I'm sure some fun stuff. Yeah. It was probably just us getting ejected three times in a row. Yeah. That's usually how the show starts. Oh, all right. Yeah. So so we will see you guys next time please wear a mask and vote. Stay safe. Stay spooky. Stay cool. Stay cool. 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LW1203 - Some Perspective on Image Quality

LensWork

16:42 min | 4 months ago

LW1203 - Some Perspective on Image Quality

"Off? Here's the editor of Lens Work Publishing Brooks Jensen. The official title of this podcast is some perspective on image quality. But I have to confess I was really tempted to. Title is remembering Rodman all. But I know a number of you probably have no idea what rod NAL is so. Let me share some perspective on image quality. I grew up in the days of the WET darkroom I've now been involved with photography for fifty years. And so my perspective on image quality includes. Five decades of personal experience, pursuing excellence in terms of the technical quality of an image. That's all I'm GonNA talk about here. And I can unhesitatingly say that today's equipment and workflows or allowing me to produce. The highest quality images of my life. If not in the history of photography. You would think that would be enough for us to stop complaining about how disappointed we are when the next new camera doesn't have some feature we want. But no all you have to do is look at some camera reviews or announcements on Youtube and find complainers who were saying that this camera isn't perfect well. No camera is perfect and every piece of equipment. We have to some degree as a compromise. Let me like you say. Put this into some perspective if I can for the first. Thirty years of my photography I used almost exclusively a medium format view camera. Primarily looking for large format results. You might ask. Why didn't I? Just get a large format camera? Why not for by five or eight by ten quite honestly I? Just simply couldn't afford it. I was young I was raising two children. And I wasn't making that much money in my career, and so for me it was a stretch to buy a medium format view camera Arca Swiss two and a quarter three quarter, but I wanted my images to look like they were made with a four by five. Deer, DWARF And they just didn't of course because in the film days, the size of the film was just about everything when it came to the technical quality of what you were able to produce particularly in an enlargement. And by the way it just wasn't that I couldn't afford. A four by five camera, but keep mind. You also have to have lenses to go with it. A four by five in larger is more expensive than a two and a quarter three and a quarter in larger. You have to have enlarging lenses that will cover that big of negative. You have to have larger trays more room in your dark room. It goes on and on and on and I just simply couldn't commit to it, so it became necessary for me to be satisfied with what I could get out of a two and a quarter three and a quarter while simultaneously pushing it for every drop of quality I could get. And one of the ways that I did that was by using very very fine grain films. I used AGFA Pan Twenty five, which was rated at Asa twenty-five, but I shouted at Asa Twelve sometimes as low as asa eight, and then adjusted the development, so I didn't blow out the highlights. And by doing so using very fine grain developers that I had to mix myself from raw chemicals I was able to get a very smooth grain result from a two and a quarter three and a quarter negative as long as they didn't make it very big. I did a lot of experimenting in those days, and this isn't really useful information today, but as curious. What I discovered is gelatin silver film can comfortably make a three x enlargement, sometimes, if the developing is perfect and the exposures perfect, you can comfortably make a stunning four x enlargement very rare. For you to be able to enlarge a gelatin silver negative five x, that would be the equivalent of a twenty by twenty five inch print from a four by five negative that that required a really significantly terrific negative to make a stunning image that big. That's why most people who shot for by five were making sixteen by twenty prints back in the day, because that was a four x enlargement in that sort of within the comfort zone of a competently exposed developed and carefully printed negative. Those numbers of course are completely blown out the window with digital cameras, because the relatively small sensors, thirty five millimeter size or smaller for crop sensors. Can Make Sixteen by twenty prints that are closer to fifteen to twenty x enlargements, and they look great, but keep it in perspective with history anyway in my youth, my gelatin silver, two and a quarter three and a quarter negatives could be comfortably made into a three x enlargement, which means basically a six by nine inch print, so a lot of my parents were relatively small in nature, but that was fine, because mostly what I was doing in those days were small prints hand-held prints handmade artist's books that kind of thing, which was perfectly comfortable for that Princess. So shooting AGFA Penn twenty-five, which I shot it as twelve. If I needed a faster film, the step up was to asa one hundred, and from time to time I would shoot egg pan. One hundred think about that relative to today's digital cameras. Most digital cameras can be pushed down to Ice Oh one hundred partake call that an extended Eyeso- because the native I so of most cameras is probably one sixty or two hundred, so my step up to a faster speed film. was. The equivalent of what today is not even normal. That's that's a mind. Boggling process in terms of the growth in history of photography. Well on rare occasions I would step all the way up to as far as I could functionally go with AGFA, pan four hundred films, which I basically shot at two hundred. Those films were terrific, but The price you had to pay for shooting with an ICE. Oh, four hundred film was that they were comparatively anyway incredibly grainy, which when enlarged in a wet darkroom enlargement, the grain becomes even more visible. And only on extremely rare occasions, probably less than a dozen or so, what I need something higher than that, which always involved an incredibly aggressive developer known as Rawdon all. Those of you who are smiling now. We are fellow travelers. You know what I'm talking about. Rod All had the ability to. Basically convert anything. into a visible silver grade. Even, if it had for all intents and purposes, no exposure, it would develop into a clump of grain that was when enlarged anyway to a reasonable size sort of appeared like golf balls. It was it was an extreme developer, but using no, you could take an asa four hundred film and shoot it. As thirty, two, hundred, or even in extreme cases as high as sixty four hundred. I did that on a few occasions. And literally the grain was measurable. That was that large in those. Extremely underexposed negatives that were extremely aggressively developed. You basically had no shadow detail whatsoever and the. Highlight detail other than those areas that were absolutely dead white, so you're just looking at paper base, but the next light gray toned down from dead white had these hunks of. A Golf Ball size grain that were just awful, but sometimes that could be used as an aesthetic effect. Sometimes it was better to get something than nothing. But it was. It was an extreme technique to say the least. And that was I so thirty, two hundred or ISO sixty, four hundred. Well while I'm recording this podcast. I have right in front of me. An image that I made in China last fall with my microphone thirds camera. Exposed at ISO five thousand. And processed and printed into a seventeen by twenty two piece of paper. Basically, it's well it. I I. Think technically it's fifteen and a half by twenty one and a half, so it's. Roughly Sixteen by twenty. Let's just call it. It's a sixteen by twenty print. I so five thousand with a micro four thirty camera, and it is absolutely perfectly grain loosen smooth gray tones. You can't see any noise at all. Of course I've done noise reduction and I photographed with particularly sharp land, so the little bit of detail got sacrificed to noise. Reduction isn't particularly important, because there's far more detail than I need in this image. What I really needed was smooth, middle grades, and and I have that. Compare that to my earlier days in photography exposing it. Asa Twelve developing with really exotic developers, limiting myself to a six by nine inch print in order to get smooth tones. How can we not say that? This is the best time ever in the history of photography. To push technologies to be a photographer to have all of these by my way of thinking absolutely miraculous tools. And so here again. When the new cameras are introduced, one was just introduced this morning. The cannon are five in the Canon are six and already within hours. There are people complaining about what these cameras don't have, and I just shake my head and say. Can't you see the miracle? That these tools are and what we can produce with them. Is Mind Boggling? If you keep a little perspective. Now of course, the same could probably be said for those of us who picked up a camera forty fifty years ago. Because a little perspective in our way of thinking could have pointed us back to. Par. MILLION PRINTS! Or ten types or daguerreotypes or something that seemed like even more, incredibly primitive materials. Can you imagine asking your model to hold her head still with one of those wire cage south? That she didn't blur in the photograph. And today we just whip out our high so thirty, two hundred camera, and make a snapshot, and they're gorgeous invent tastic and we can make big prints. So. This is this is one of the reasons why I think it's just worth it occasionally. To look back and to realize. What a fantastic time we live in! With incredible equipment. That's never before been available that. If Edward Weston could see what we're doing with our equipment today compared to what he was working with with Cook Lenses and an eight by ten view, Cameron making contact prints he he would. I can't imagine what his response would be. So I know I'm never going to convince people to stop complaining about what our cameras can't do. Of course, we're going to continually push the technology and push ourselves and push imagery to become something, even more interesting and more spectacular. That's the nature of Progress I guess. But with a little perspective, maybe we can also mix with that. Push a little bit of gratitude. And a little bit of humility. For. How incredibly well off? We have it today with the miraculous tools and the miraculous capabilities we have. And just enjoy how relatively easy it is to make a really stunning photograph. And to be able to do so with. That aren't all that expensive and well I suppose you can go out and pay five or ten thousand dollars for a camera. If you want, but you don't have to. and. That's the point that from my perspective. The technological aspects of photography have evolved to the point where. We really don't need to concern ourselves with. The capabilities of our equipment. The limiting factor now is not. What can the camera do? The limiting factor now is what can we do learning things? Sensing things feeling things translating those feelings observations into images that impart something to our audience that are meaningful to them. I've often said that in my youth I spent eighty to ninety percent of my time wrangling molecules into what I wanted them to be and ten percent. If I'm lucky on the creative aspects in the aesthetic aspects of what I was producing now it's exactly the opposite. That ninety percent of my time now is spent trying to refine my aesthetic sense and my. Content. Where ten percent of it is spent wrangling well, not molecules, but pixels wells molecules when I print. and. Isn't that a huge? Transition in photography that historians will look back at. A hundred or two hundred or five hundred years from now and know that this time right now. These early years early decades I suppose in the twenty first century are the time in which photography was revolutionized. So that we could spend more of our time on content and less of our time on mastering technology. Because we didn't need to because the technology had become so good. So. That's my perspective anyway. On image quality and Incredibly fortunate we are that we're alive and working and creative in these very exciting times. How tutorials and camera views are. On Youtube, but if you're interested in photography and the creative life, you need to know about the incredible resources you can access as a member of Lens work. Online Lens. Work online includes hundreds of hours of audio video in downloadable content, literally terabytes of content content and more content, all twelve hundred plus of Brooks Jensen's podcasts, the complete here's a thought video library looking at images, commentaries creative labs in new. New Channels for twenty twenty, including finding the picture and those who inspire me and why we add new content literally every day you can learn more about memberships to Lens. Work Online at www dot lens work, dot com, and don't forget that all members can download the digital versions of Lens work for your tablet or computer, the most content rich resource for ideas and inspiration. You'll find anywhere on the Internet. Copyright Twenty Twenty Lens Work. Publishing.

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Good Morning Niner Empire 10/20/2020

Niner Faithful Radio

11:25 min | Last month

Good Morning Niner Empire 10/20/2020

"Hey everybody. This is Jamie from 9 or fearful of radios. Good morning. Niner Empire. Let me tell you about our sponsor Graphics Monger. They are keeping your business from going extinct turn your ideas into reality with their graphic design team there your source for custom logo designs apparel details and more going any longer and called Graphics Monger at 360-460-8526 or going to Facebook and find them at graphing longer. Also, if you mention nine or feel for radio, you'll get a 10% discount. Thanks, and let's get onto the show. Hey, good morning. Niner Empire. My name is Jamie. Today is October 20th. 2020. Let's get into some 49er news. The 49ers win their game last Sunday. I guess l e r e as 24 to 16 parachuting Hank is an update on injuries. Hi guys injuries from the game Garland ended up with a calf strain. He's going to be out a while. We'll go on IR mostly back later. This week most starts high ankle. Sprain. We'll see how it progresses most likely IR start growing strain will re-evaluate him later in this week off and turn Williams had an ankle sprain. He's getting more image in this afternoon. So we'll wait and see on that. Shanahan also talked about what he'd like to undrafted running back to Michael Hasty. We most you would you like about your job? Okay, see yesterday, especially we used at the end of the game. I just like you came in the game and it wasn't the moment wasn't too big Forum. You know, it would like to keep our guys fresh, you know, once we thought he had been going for a while was a perfect time to change the pace and bring in a fresh guy and he was the guy that we had left and he came in and was ready for the occasion me just look good in practice did a good job. I believe with the Giants when she got a couple of opportunities. So we didn't hesitate to put him in there took a while till we lost those guys, but when he came in and gave us a little bit of spark and helped us out. He also talked about the wide receiver runs College. What's your long-term you use for those, you know, Ford handoffs that that our passes and and do you consider that as part of your running game? And with with Moe sort out you guys you do have guys playing the wide receiver position that can be running backs to you know, Debo and I so I know a lot to mouthful there but have at it off. I mean, I mean terminology wise usually it's just the same as the the Run Place and they're all run plays when we do it to receiver. We just pitch it to them so we can hit a full speed when it goes to Deebo. We usually off of a a Deadpool type of word that goes with it cuz that's how it all started. It was called X Force which is a run play and we shorten it with Deadpool cuz that's Deadpool's group that he put together in the movie. I think he called him the X-Force. So we just changed it to Deadpool and then we have plays off of it. So that's the word we use but it's just I mean, it's the same stuff that we do throughout the game between juice and Raheem then sometimes we do it between regime and Debo you just switch them guys up and whatever runs look good for front you're going again. He talked about the commitment to the Run game felt last night. You mentioned that having more runs than the opponent was one of the things you want to do specifically in that game. You obviously had a lot more you said other similar things. I think, you know, I think after the Vikings playoff team, you said you want to get 30 runs is this song That's a goal of yours in every game. Is it at any mention that kind of totality of the game which shows you and also do you know or care that the analytics Community hates to hear stuff like that? They they say, oh, you're just I just run the ball and you're going to win which is not the way it works again my uncle style question there but have added the same way. Yeah. No, I just usually when you run the ball over 30 times, I think you doing I think we're want to say we're like 11:00 to know. I think when we've done that I know someone can get the stats, but I think we're undefeated and we've done that and whenever we've had less than I don't know if one or a records like five and twelve or something like that, but I mean, I think you know, you're right. You don't just run the ball to win. I mean if you come out and try to get all this runs right away, you're going to be pretty often mention all and you're going to be pretty easy to stop but when you are running the ball that much that usually means things are going. Well. It means you've converted some third Downs. It means you've stayed on the field for a while. It means you're getting the ball back it usually month. They're not running the ball that well because you're getting so many opportunities with the ball and staying on the field. It doesn't I mean to get that many run. Sometimes you don't get as many explosive runs cuz your home. Yeah, you're going on longer drives which also slows down the team and for us our team. So there's I just think when you look at the number of carries, it's a very good team stat. Sometimes it seems like oh you must have ran the ball. Well the line did good running back did good. And I don't always see it that way. I think it's a full commitment just to play very good complementary football at it really helps you stick with the run as a play-caller home, you know, I thought we had a number of times during the fourth quarter that we could have kind of finished them and we didn't, you know, we came up a little bit short and it's nice when you're playing good defense and you can't stick with the run that long even though we missed opportunities to finish him. You know, we punted the ball there. I think we had to drop on third down. I think it was third and eight then we punted it Mitch had an awesome font. Got on the one-yard line then our defense went three-and-out wage. At it again. So you feel you're able to run the ball again. We take our shot just missed it. Jimmy scrambled on third down. I think we end up kicking a field goal. But you keep doing those things to where you don't feel like every time that way to get that big play or you're going to lose lose the game. You can kind of stay balanced help your players out. It gives the line confidence the quarterback confidence and the only way you can do that though is if you take the whole totality of a game and you start you understand how the defense is playing and stuff and that's what's fun for play-caller when you can keep sticking with that cuz you got a lot of confidence in your whole team and not just what you're doing on offense off into that. Right, but I tried Shanahan also talks about if the 49ers will make a trade or not probably trade deadline is coming up and just wondering whether you could take a look at a position where you might have taken some hits like defensive end or this year with the salary cap situation is trading for somebody a non-starter for your name. I mean John and his group and they're always looking into all possibilities on that stuff. I mean, they're watching a film on the whole league day in and day out and they're always on the phone and stuff whether it's Jean or other guy off of the scallops or whoever they're always having a dialogue to see where people are at, but you know actually doesn't always happen. I know we're not in the mood to just giving up a bunch of our draft fix either we had to do that last year to make a number of key moves that I think helped us, but it also I don't we don't want another draft where we don't have too many pics. So it's real important for us to keep our draft fixed. But if we find any situation where the guys there who we think can help us this year and without risking hurting us in the future at some point. I don't think would ever hesitate and we look forward to doing it but those things don't always come up he gives an update on when a rich Berg did mention the the pup guys being pushed back to likely week 10 or 12. What's the status of Weston Richburg headset at the end of last season the expected to be ready for training camp it is it dead? Did he have a setback? Yeah, Richburg had I mean he had the knee from last year and then he had shoulder surgery that happened during the off-season. Also the shoulder surgery really set him back. I'm not sure which one is set in back the worst right now, but I know we're not going to get them to at least week 12. So it's there's two things that happen to them in off-season. So there's another thing added that was different than the last Shanahan also talked about Kittles celebration and him as a leader the podium yesterday. George had a big Wu there's a clip that kind of went viral on social media one. Did you see that? And secondly how important off last night's when George obviously was excited. The team is excited. So what's it like to have George be a leader and pick the guys up when maybe things are down. I didn't see it. But I can I feel like I did not buy hearing you imitate him cuz I know exactly that sound George is awesome to have around I mean everyone knows he's one of our best players. He's also him and born or probably our team mascots just the way the dog Act in a personality each day, but I mean George was fired up. He's got a chill out a little bit and he's way too aggressive when he celebrates with me. I can't handle too many more of those hits him off she and lake and are the worst but now he's like that with everybody. He never changes. You think even on a bad day. He'll be worse but he always finds a way to be upbeat and positive and it's like why he's a true WWE walking NFL football player. And finally he talks about Jimmy Garoppolo and him dealing with the haters good about, you know, continuing to learn things about Jimmy Garoppolo in the office handled some of the criticism after last Sunday's game, you know, there were things out there about you know, Garoppolo time may be done with the 49ers. He was young. I mean, I think some of the worst criticism probably be seen during his time with your organization. How how did you deal with all of that and what it says mentality and Conference like this week having bounced back last night he dead. Yeah, I think that's one of the most impressive things about Jimmy. You know, when you think the pressure might get to them and stuff which you would think it does to everybody. I mean, it is human nature and it's a very tough position. I mean well play good or bad if if the results not good you're going to get questioned a lot and people are going to point the finger at a quarter back a lot and the tough game that our whole team had in Miami with him getting taken out there in that game. Yeah wash stuff, but the way you came into work on Monday, you couldn't tell I mean, he's very mentally strong when things happen like that. It's he does a very good job of not listening to it. I know everyone says that but I think Jim does simplifies world and not try to really he's not really involved in a lot of that stuff. I mean the more narrow you can be really as a coach as a quarterback and just focusing on what you do in the home and the family that you hang out at home. I think helps a lot that way think Jimmy does that as well as any quarterback I've been around when you are having people on you like that and you come in to work on Monday and then you go into the Hub. On Wednesday and practice and guys can hear in your voice how you call a play kind of how you walk around? I mean he walks confident into all each day. I mean, he doesn't have the demeanor of a guy who's worried about much. He has a guy demeanor of a guy that's a lot of confidence and believes he's going to win and I think that's the coolest part about him cuz he's playing good or bad our team believes in them and you can see how those guys are in the Huddle and when Jimmy's in there, you can tell the team believes in that's one of the most important that is it for your 49er news. Please check out our main show 1950 video on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast also check out 915 radio shop for your revenge rights enumerated just drop. Thanks and that's always remain faithful God. That's

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Thomas Clay

Monocle 24: The Monocle Weekly

11:03 min | 5 months ago

Thomas Clay

"Well the Monica weekly takes temporary break. We're bringing you conversations with some of the leading figures in arts and culture from around the world today we're hearing from director Thomas Clay whose new film funny lie delivered stars, Maxine Peake and Charles dance in an intensely imagined folk horror Weston set in the years after the English civil. Was Funny. She don't know. Till the day strangers came. Turn that whole world upside down. Goes. The phone begins in hundred fifty seven. We discover finally lie a husband. John Line and this son author living on a small farm in the remote countryside, their lives, so then disrupted by the arrival of T. mysterious strangers. Who arrived on the farm? NYC Heads Muscle help against Jones, passing judgment finally dissuades, and to let them stay, and a events begin to develop from the sheriff. Here transposes embassy. The couple weeds reference to Fanny's actually starts to. Change. Changing world is transformed by events from this is a, and it's crucial, and these two people who arrive on the farm kind of nate. Kids themselves. You know the costume that the setting is will beautifully rendered in finding. Then nakedness is they arrive on. The farm is kind of quite starkly at odds with the very buttoned up high collared big-hatted Puritanical. Clothes the poor fan in her husband, a clad in and that kind of sets up. Maybe one of the fundamental duality is at the heart of the film, which is this conflict between puritanical ISM and sensuousness you know I was thinking at the moment, obviously an in a very different context, there has been this kind of mass reappraisal of history. You know people talking a lot in the UK at the moment about the need to include much more on colonial history, specifically on the harm done by British colonial forces in the syllabus I. I wonder if you think that this moment in history, which I think is may be kind of overlooked this moment where post civil war Oliver, Cromwell's puritanism, which went on to become this cornerstone really of of White America, and it's clash against Moore Quasi Pagan licentious I wonder. If you think that's an area, that also may be needs a bit of reappraisal. Maybe if we found ourselves witnessing kind of conflict in it in a slightly different way again in the modern age, it's a pivotal moment although actually. I think what came before Chroma. That the king was was a tire He had his Chime, but he can just pull that anyone. Instance coal prosecute them. Have them even and so in a strange way. Chroma was a step in. And, then, after that then became entire, himself went on and committed the trustees Aaron. See then how the struggle between the Pearson forces and people who actually had a lot of them had fought alongside Chroma I, mean in the new model army of the leftovers tickets, arguing for much more egalitarian approach, the government and the result was no good, the London eventually Tacoma and king back and everything in many ways going back by what it was before there was a great intellectual change, and this set out into French relation American regulation, so it's a crucial period of history. Uh. Get to the film. It pays his dues to lots of these amazing. Second Half of the twentieth century sat periods. Folk horror pieces which find a general Satan's claw have both been mentioned, but it doesn't mean very originally kind of brings in this western quality. How did you metabolize those influences? When you're looking at this story that you'RE GONNA? Tell I'm I'm from the beginning I as a western. That was really the the the rake amendment. Realizing that could come at the sister in this through that seventies, western lands. Mind can't can show me. The can Mak- gripping thrilling narrative out of almost a single location smullen. Barack says no no very much money. And so as The I dare it will it will. Also realizing that there was a great way to capture the different ideological stances of the various actors at the moment because I could will be condensed into this. Trauma drama, you mentioned that kind of the possibilities presented by genre work within the confines of budgetary constraints. You know they single location, which wax extremely powerful in the film at the price changes as the actors as their experiences develop. I think at the moment you know. There's been this kind of protracted sort of reappraisal of the horror foam and I guess. Part of that has been people waking up to the way that jumper can be used as a blueprint for what is less compelling storytelling. You know that people are aware that it's not just pulp anymore. Did you feel that as you're making? The film was not something that you kind of really thinking about you. Most levels to a phone and it's quite possible to have. And still give you think about I'm at the same time it can function on vices levels, which is interesting I. Guess the making straight drama. Or you kind of hoping to set up with this I. mean beyond this kind of expiration this point in history on this genre things. What did you say something that you debut the Great Ecstasy Robot Michael? Cut Footage from the war in Iraq that was kind of taking place around the time of its release against scenes of extraordinary violence that the common on what was happening in the day. Did you see this film as having a similar message or was really much more about exploring that time and exploring those kind of modes of filmmaking the past helps us one son, president and seventeen hundred still has to teach us so I. Guess that was unite the draw. There isn't a specific message. To kind of around message on people's rights to think. They can watch it and enjoy wearing conclusions an former allegiances. Some people might fillmore affinity towards one car to another. We've had a lot of different reactions. Onset was a particularly intense shoot. I mean it was very protracted so I I think that was the the main fading. That's going to grind gradually getting three things of sixty day experience, they'll call of changes in weather. We had some flooding. The sets the missed post problem. Every time the wind shifted direction the machines. Around the same time to get constantly line as well. Slow going going lightly, people having to get used to sitting around little. Things fall into place. Which I should say is out now as well when you very hands on with the idea. Is it important to you to have that turn like oversight on all the different components was the soundtrack something that you felt particularly strongly about writing yourself I'm not gonNA. Try to pose a invest in I. Guess Resumes Always Been Important. Put my phone making the the fading of the the movements in the music, such huge pot of that and in. Germany used preexisting music in Addison manipulates that or is this film quickly became apparent they reading the original school at that stage. I tried to work with the composer, but I think the idea is my habits effects than. Myself given. It's kind of as you just said You shut it in twenty sixty and been a minute since the been working on this I'm obviously watched it at home, because the those the conditions that we live under now, and it didn't jaw me what I'd love to see it again. On a big screen I suppose there's something about the fact that it is a kind of domestic film. In many respects that may be doesn't mean that it's quite the same petty not to sit it in the cinemas it might be. Maybe a much bigger globe trotting blockbuster. How do you feel about the conditions of its release? We Sean from thirty five and I think the ideal way to say. Is that print? But at the same time? We kind of knew that that was going to be a very limited thing. Mice people were going to sit there, and in that regard I feel. He's a friend slammed the. Iro. I'm just glad that we finally getting an audience. This yeah and I'm sure you'll have a big one. I don't doubt that. If when it does get some special place on the thirty five miles, it will be incredibly popular. Indeed I think everyone will certainly want to look out for Thomas. Thank you so much for joining us and congratulations I should say. Thanks. Thanks to Thomas, clay and funny lie delivered is available to watch on streaming services now do check out the soundtrack as well the monocle Wigley on temporary break, but keep an on our website for fresh interviews with leading figures from the arts and culture around the world. I've been Augusta match, Larry. The interview was co-produced at edited by mainly Evans until next time goodbye.

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Ep. 18  Anthony Weston on animals, aliens and the silence of the universe

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Ep. 18 Anthony Weston on animals, aliens and the silence of the universe

"<music> there's a whole expressive universe out there and we're just kind of you know we're immersed in it. If you pay attention it's it's very enlivening and enriching <music> welcome to when we talk about animals a yale university podcast devoted added to exploring the big questions animals raised about what it means to be human. I'm lindsay stern and i'm viveka morris in his paper. A new kuzma janie the polish writer stanislaw lamb asked how it can be possible that from the vast cosmos most likely filled with intelligent beings other than ourselves. We have so far are heard nothing. The problem is more commonly known as the fermi paradox given the high probability that other intelligent lifeforms exist elsewhere in the universe. Why does does it seem that none of them has ever tried to contact us. Fourteen years later lamb published a fictional response to the paradox in the novel called his master's astor's voice. Lemmy imagines radio astronomers intercept what appears to be just such a message and neutrino signal from a distant constellation. The fermi paradox fox has been solved but it is here that the problems begin governments and scientific factions scrambled to control privatize and even weaponized the signal. No one manages manages to decode it. It's not even clear by the books end that the signal represents a message at all in his blazingly original paper radio astronomy as epistemology demolished our guest philosopher anthony weston formulates a similarly irreverend response to the fermi paradox what we take to be the silence of the a universe he suggests may teach us more about ourselves and the challenges of receptivity to non human minds in general then about the prevalence of other life suppose he writes for the sake of argument that some extraterrestrial intelligence briefly scans are portion of their sky in search of messages. Could they recognize our tv transmissions for them. Just one fluctuating electromagnetic impulse among billions as a product of intelligent life. A tv signal is certainly not constructed to be easily decoded by anyone else. We cannot assume western continues that the e._d._i.'s are so unlucky as to have thought thought of television the reason the universe appears to offer no evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence or a t._i. Weston suggests may be that we are paying the wrong kind of attention in his books. He invites us to imagine the possibility that other forms of intelligence quote do manifest themselves constantly and directly in ways that we simply simply do not expect and are not prepared to welcome or even notice for evidence of this blindness he continues we need look no further than our poor track record with non human terrestrial intelligences the dolphins whales and chimps right here among us with whom we have such a poor record of communicating. If we have such trouble acknowledging them he asks when we have lived with them since time out of mind. How can we even begin to say what it will take to recognize a truly alien intelligence or life form possibly we would miss it even if we were face to face with it and even if it was going to extraordinary lengths to try to reach us dr anthony weston is professor of philosophy and environmental studies at elon university university north carolina where he teaches ethics environmental studies and of course on millennial imagination he is the author of thirteen books including how utter reimagined the world and back to earth as well as dozens of articles on ethics critical thinking education and contemporary culture at elon western has won the university's premier awards for both teaching and scholarship. He is also a founding member of heart smell eco-village north carolina an experiment in self sufficient sustainable living. We are thrilled to have him here with us today. Dr anthony western welcome to when we talk about animals. Thank you great to be talking and you guys so you teach a class on the fermi paradox and by the end every student has to offer their own solution to it as far as i understand. Can you just walk us through the paradox and why you find it took compelling so again the the classic stories firming himself was a vicious kind of a polymath and not two ways at lunch with some colleagues wednesday and they were talking about the likelihood of intelligent life elsewhere and all of a sudden <unk> where are they and that's a paradox but a little bit more in detail so if you start with the idea that you said in your introduction that it seems pretty likely that the other life and intelligent life out there considering well in tax for me. This story originates from the fifties early. The late forties when we didn't even know that were planets around any other star that was just conjecture but now we know that just about that every star has planets and there a couple of hundred billion of them just in our galaxy and their multiple hundreds of billions of galaxies so even the clear that the preconditions of life are rare. Maybe they're even very rare but if you have a hundred billion chances probably there's going to be live somewhere somewhere else. So that seems like a reasonable hypothesis is argued the then you'd think if there were life somewhere on some of it since the universe is fourteen fourteen billion years old <hes> some of it would be advanced enough to be able to travel and make contact and if they were you'd think that we would have noticed so so since we don't seem to have noticed that conclusion as we got a problem that we have to really conclude that there there isn't other intelligent life out there or that ah somehow <hes> we shouldn't expect to be able to perceive them worse. Something's wrong with our way of perceiving so something's you gotta give somewhere in that a little more detail. That's the paradox and how would you articulate your solution my own solution well. Let me start with you mentioned the class class so we do a variety of things i could teach with astronomer this class. We do a variety of things there but we one of the things we do. I read a book called whereas everybody the fermi story and book is a collection of fifty possible. Answers is he's really doing is teaching basic astronomy astrology but that's the way he's doing it so anyway we turn apple's own answers and then the students do their own answers so it's very interesting my answer though is really i think why why did you send to the kinds of things that you're interested in your podcast. Which is my answer is kind of to look at the people must usually considered the least questionable assumption behind us which is in other intelligence present or trying to contact us that we would of course notice and you look around. It seems like that's clearly not case because well really forgot trouble enough. Noticing each other's intelligence right has the time or communicating or for that matter even our own sometimes but that's just among among families but let's say other human beings history of human contact with other quite different civilizations <hes> or here's the kicker for this podcast series other animals in general abysmal in your introduction. You said something in but a poor track record but it's not even a poor track record. It's disastrous the human record of recognizing particularly officially recognizing any kind of intelligence expressively communication from other animals especially ones that are a little bit farther relief from us in evolutionary terms is just is just awful so you know for one thing one more story is to start at home sugar how to communicate with or be open to the expressive -ness of other creatures right here on this planet is all i mean i'm not saying we should stop doing the searching for aliens. We should should do that too but you know the the challenge for me september on awareness and alertness to a world that's already profoundly communicative breath. It's much bigger than just a question of some astronomers searching radio spectrum australians. This is a much bigger thing much richer and more promising and right next to us. That's really the moral stories from me. And how do you define intelligence when you're speaking both both animals or extraterrestrial terrestial life in this case of course controversial topic even among humans totally and and that's kind of the point. It seems to me that almost all the concepts that we try to. I think we're thinking about elliott with thinks it's so useful about thinking about aliens is all the concepts lose grip on them but really that story is. We don't have to start with even about each other. Let alone other creatures so intelligence while you know there was a time when intelligence was supposedly measured by certain kinds of tests <hes> or certain kinds of problem solving even that's now sort of fractured into whole variety of ways of thinking dot intelligence so that kind of standard in psychology is seven or eight kinds of intelligence emotional new miracle but even at in you know in test-taking context and kind of self proving context proof you know are you intelligent are so well okay so one example would be. I i listened recently to the number of your podcast one of them about octopus and it seems like people <hes> a really impressed by certain things that i always want to say occupy but octopus guy said so okay and professor guttering smith said <hes> so people are very impressed by the fact that octopus can escape from cages under certain conditions. It's england probably humans like through the drainpipe so they're very good at getting out of traps <hes> so that seemed to kind of impress people but <hes> i suppose that's the kind of intelligence but it might be quite marginal to the animal is actually mostly doing more about right so it proves something. I suppose. We probably shouldn't be at that impressive but we should correspondingly. We ought to be a lot more interested in what is central to the animal's life inexpressive impressiveness. We might call intelligence so we might need to learn to take seriously something other than escape capacity right it's intelligence but not many that central and even so but i think a lot of terms are like that in the language itself and communication even all these notions are profoundly anthropomorphized in in ways that we you know again thinking about aliens and correspondingly other uh-huh none other than human life forms really helps us to think of reminds us so i'm basically dodging question. I don't think intelligence thinkable notion and i don't i think the way to work on this problem or issue is to try to figure out criteria for intelligence. I think much broader kind of openness and expectation dictation of mystery or you know things that we don't anticipate <hes> what is going on with these creatures rather than do. They need some standards. We have even if they're broader water more inclusive than they used to be an. I still find that a suspicious way of proceeding. That's very interesting. I <hes> recently read a book by david abrahams who knows a philosopher and thinker. He resonates with you as well called the spell of the centrist in which he discusses among other things how language can have a distancing distancing effect on our ability to perceive other life forms for what they are and i think that that's really demonstrated by what you were just talking about the need to define intelligence in a way inhibits us from actually being able to see and appreciate it because any any definition we come up with is going to be woefully insufficient to encompass breath of life. You need to talk to david <unk>. That would be go back. Go back a long way so one of the two to in his terms for a second so one of my things is even the most basic concepts we have for thinking about animals and aliens really lose their grip so this notion communication so communication which tends to get reduced to language and language to a certain kind of familiar syntax and semantics the antics type of thing which runs through a lot of animal experimentation as you know in general abram says well you know a broader. Maybe more useful and certainly more. I guess you could say receptive or even civil category. Instead of communication might be communion so <hes> so that's an that's just something so if we think of ourselves as because communion is not necessarily sesotho conveyance of proposition information or some canal in long to that but his alert aware being together somewhere somewhere moving together co inhabiting knowingly co-inhabitants world or a place or event. That's i think much more useful. My has its own overtones initials right put much more useful concept for the really broader range of receptivity is that we need so so that that's a really useful piece of abram does and he sound don't go to chronicling ways in which we have lost disassemble managed to obscure disrupting the communion that in some ways as his primal sensory his arguments sensory being itself it is in communion with the world all kinds of levels from the way in which ground supports us to the lane. We're surrounded by their song air shelf which is alive with life and movement and all kinds of things so so that's i think a really fertile piece of what he's adult now. You may be lucky enough to hear some birds. I think we'd heard some earlier because you're sitting on your porch right now mockingbird while it's so interesting and it's not like they're well. It's a good example in a way it's i was thinking about him before the they're not. There's a temptation going to say well. You know there are saying something communicating in language and <hes> you know some kind of proposition kids might say what what is the bird thing but interesting actually never interesting examples of how human languages intersect with bert languages are bird expressively way like phrases taken over from bird x-press seventy into human language and some apologised documented in some cases which is interesting to come and other things that means you people can talk to the birds sing in the very language in which the bird safe and sample. There's a famous example. Con language for the phrase in the language for it is finding a beautiful night is what the bird say undoable nights so i can go out into the forest and saying that thirds or they could say to you so there's a way which sometimes <unk> exchanges just something like information but more broadly. That's not what's happening this kind of expressively it's kind of presence to kind of celebration than <hes> sometimes sometimes just sort of location south location in regard to other birds or other creatures or whatever and then what was actually happening was a mimic was it was it was imitating bluejays so you hear this call which sounds like quite oh that's interesting. So what is the mockingbird doing. Maybe just being happy. Maybe maybe kind of poking at the blue jays a little bit 'cause they're not so founded him. I don't know but there's so there's a whole expressed expressive universe out there and we're just kind of you know we're immersed in it. If you pay attention it's it's very enlivening and enriching the they're not necessarily talking to us you can whoa you can talk to them to and sometimes that's fund sing with the mocking birds they sit back. You know but you have to. You have to think something else. They'll just go on talking to the blue jays right. It's funny 'cause it's 'cause right back to your solution to the paradox is like on the one hand. There's the premise that were not being contacted contacted as is and on the other hand the premise that if there were e._t._i.'s they'd be interested in contacting us right yeah one of the star trek movies remember that one where that <hes> it turns out that the are in t._i.'s and they are trying to contact earth and humans. It's a on and i can't figure it out until spock finally realized they're trying to contact wales. They're not really interested humid but they wanna contract the whales and that's a lot of things right that was kind of in a popular film. I thought that was pretty remarkable. I'm also curious to what extent do you. You think our receptively to these other. The the expressive nature and of other minds is dependent on our practices arch. I'm thinking of there's a thought experiment. Pay philosopher who thinks about vacant stein <hes> that's coming to mind where the thought reminisce okay so say you of this child who as you were saying asks what a bird saying what what's the proposition content basically if these maladies and one response to the child is to say oh oh you know birds don't have fox p to the gene associated with language or they have these miniscule brains so they're communicating with each each other but they don't have anything like language because their brains are punitive. Thank and then where where's the other response would be to say a while. The meaning of a word is bound up with the form of life of the creature who who employs at so in just the way that if you take a word and you repeat it ad nauseam it's gonna lose its meaning because it's been a victim from its its proper. Use of the melody of a bird is going to sound like nonsense if to the extent that the that the thinker the receiver is not familiar in bound up with the way of life of the bird so i guess i'm curious about do you think that in order to break this spell of the actual as you put it in and to to try to regain <unk> gain this recipe that we've lost. You think that that's a matter of changing our whole way of life. I'm for sure all all it is. There is such a good question so rich in lots of ways. Wanna say something about puny brains. I think i so you know brains. I it's just a good rule of thumb in these matters to really put question marks beside all the basic concepts and wonder about anthropomorphized him so that's the whole thing is another one like okay you know we <hes> certain things are made possible by kind of brings we have other teachers have kind of brings to us. We know <hes> cetaceans particularly so so <hes> you know the tripartite mammal brain but then they have a fourth part so they have brains like we do and and they also have more so and brains in the case of some whales are five or six times bigger than human brains with this fourth part so that's an interesting case of saw kay. You're gonna play a brain game and talk about puny brain so so that comparison we have the puny brains so who knows what's going on and we don't know what's going on. As far as i know from literature on this so that's a whole thing that's a that's a mammal way way of going ethics. <hes> the there are other ways that something like boy in the news with intelligence it'd be it should talk something like awareness adaptation up to the creativity spontaneity there other ways in which that can be embodied other evolutionary lines so you know swarms of insects b. Be interesting work in your podcast on this to <hes> be albee's workout stuff so these have super puny brains right if you compared impaired even birds but if you put all these these together they have profoundly intricate means of communication and i have <hes> spontaneity tippety. There's a book called d democracy. I mean how how to decide when the swarms split up in how people allocate to task so some kind of collective intelligence or play. Can you hear me using scare quotes around that the ways we say things like at a titty daddy all that just because it's no one else questionable notion so that's a whole way in which intelligence can be embodied and then if if you wanna think about lying would be to think about artificial intelligence which is another tricky notion in lots of ways but yeah i think it underrates the spontaneity of creativity all <hes> you know so distributed intelligence so maybe that's the only thinking about swarms abuse but it's got that in that context it means something different so we should just be careful about the whole brain thing we okay so that's one that's something about the brandon's me brains a great favourite brains but not the only way so then transpose all all that into an alien context or i guess things the other way around like chess close the door open to thinking about different than ninety minutes alien in cases with transpose that back to human but any case to think about aliens. You know who knows brings. Maybe a passing phase intelligence may may or that kind of thing may take radically different shapes and and you know the best science fiction and certainly the most intriguing science fiction impulses to try to imagine agean what else it could be how else could take so all that all that's about the brains and let me say something about the kind of the core of your question generally which was ways of life out how do we how do our own practices need to change. How can they change to be more receptive all kinds of ways. He's really really simple stuff for example like spending more time outside. That'd be one you know just to be <hes> just to be an put ourselves in a position initiative to be alerted by in contact with <hes> touched by other than human life forms simple simple simple you know people are it's not the direction things things are headed for starters <hes> but then more deliberate practices swear wearing one thing. Here's an example one thing. I do in my classes. Every reclassify can figure out how to do it in <hes> is to ask students to identify think about an identify <hes> i sometimes i say there other than human identity but it could be and other at the human identity that they could embrace for time so maybe there's some kind in animal. It's always fascinated them more. Maybe something some animal shows up in their dreams or maybe their name or some other creature and they've embraced out something to really pay attention to nurture if necessary create and other than human connection again. This is really simple. Just opens the door. Sometimes the door never gets more than slightly cracked open for a short time. Sometimes it really turns into something amazing for students to just be to have the space and encouragement to think of themselves as other than humans part of who they are. That's that's remarkable to. You've written a a lot about the ways in which traditional education in this way doesn't have space for these sorts of explorations often or you know it's very easily critic and it reminds me of it was just gonna say we're sure we're actively militates against them right. Children come into kindergarten and they're if they're i don't know these days. It's been not so much but on the older end of things now you know we played in the dirt and you knew in your head cats. You grew up in farm country. So most people knew something something about how they had chickens so you know they come in. That's forms of play that are that are that are other than human in so they would they would have else other than human playmates <hes> but then they come to kindergarten and that kind of basically learning to cut themselves off from that and you know sleep on plastic matson. Let's just then by the time it's first and second grade relentlessly a whole set of connections and emotional bonds and everything else so relentlessly excluded devalued and pushed away and so it's yeah it's not just that the screwing in north at schooling actively suppress it right and then you see that with all all sorts of things including animals then all the way up into the university setting as well where it's still unacceptable largely to imply that animals have emotions like us are there are like us in different ways and reminded listen that it's again worse than that because it's not just the the you know. This is kind of assumption that pervades the classroom. The think of the question was about how to habits change. I think of the space the physical space so no animals right listen you know a guide dog and they have to have special permits permits and everything training. Let's no animals at all but it's not it's worse than that. There aren't any children right so we have this. This extraordinarily early reduced in very powerful environment in which we're supposed to learn about the world right so the most profound learning the world yeah well you could people talk about hidden curriculum like what like what is the symbolic was the meta message of education. There's all the content of biochemistry statistics. Are you know history whatnot but the message is much more powerful who are you. You're not an animal. Don't even think about that because if you did think that you don't even belong here and and then you know everything that follows from that distance from the world so it's no surprise that we we feel so cut off and live in a way that's so profoundly inattentive inattentive the other creatures you know you walk out the door of the classroom in the birds singing but who pays attention and that's a fascinating statement to just in terms of the sense of how how one gets to know an animal in university setting and that as you point out that the setting itself physically and otherwise completely confines it to very specific types of knowing namely through secondary ways data collection or whatever else but not firsthand candidate relationships most. You've maybe dissect them that so even that's remarkable right so we learn about and that's not just in college. I dissect it almost in eighth grade. I remember of but you wanna learn about animals okay. Here's a dead body right. Is that the only way to learn. It's not even a good way to while if you wanted to learn an enemy maybe but but to know the animal he want living animal companions with think right. I mean so so really that we're we're still on that question. How do we change your practices is what nevada's things to change but this is one of them is to live more consciously openly with with other teachers in creating spaces in which so imagining university campus campus in which they were places for wild animals in which humans were the were not running the show that the animals were fairly coming or not coming could make in context basis like that making music with other creatures or whatever it is singing with mocking birds not quite music. It's somewhere in between what they do what we do but you know working out something together like that so much could be done so concrete in in a certain sense so obvious and yet. We're not going there. We're at an interesting moment. It seems in which non-human legal personnel in the u._s. is gaining traction in the mainstream for for the first time but at the same time within the study of their behavior ecology is kind of fading the idea of a participant open observatory framework with the animal is becoming less and less acceptable in the scientific context so and meanwhile while the data that our scientists are collecting about these other intelligences is precisely what's leveraging the the non human person hood cases hase's so it's funny because and you have this concept that you formalized that we're hoping you can walk us through the self validating reduction which is an enormously honestly powerful way of thinking about how some of these intelligence experiments can backfire so much to talk about ah flooring it to that just again. I wanna come in on this so this participant observation <unk> so it's funny you say that this is happening. Both of those trends at the same time nine but it probably connected. Don't you think that is has <hes> the companion at wasabi. Things have more companion <unk> tories being with other creatures uncover amazing possibilities precisely those things are precluded excluded. Good is done and the conditions for learning more about them are undercut that an accident or not. I mean could be that well okay. Here's the story so tom. Let's call jane. Mendon has book about the a language experiments. I'm still getting the name of it but what happened than this very much this kind of thing so as the this is in the sixties and seventies i think the first experiments with even this very artificial snow attempt to train jemson other apes to use human language which is already not natural to them that they were doing pretty well at it where in some cases people trying to raise gems with their human children children <hes> but what happened was the succeeded all too well and one of the well what happened anyway was that these all these experiments are discontinued but linden says you know i think there's probably a connection that is as it got to to unsettling for the researchers on humans to deal with whereas on the conspiratorial thinker which i'm not but i do think there's a connection while hill even more concretely some of these two or three cases in which linguists or he's just trying to raise jumps with their own children what happens so they thought well. Maybe the chimps would be you know become more human than what they ended up. Fearing children are becoming more chimp like console the net right no more experiment which shows you help neutral it really was. You know it's not so much. <hes> probably lee what was happening was the development of some kind of inbetween identity between human and chimp <hes> that was too much for the researchers to so you know the fact that those experiments were ah powerful in his revealing. This thing were is probably one reason why they were discontinued against. I just put that out there somebody but you asked about self-elevating any reduction so that that's another actually evolved for me out of thinking about our relation to the land but in generally definitely applies tara ah human relations to other animals into other commitments for that matter which is yet idea that we're not just <hes> we change the role in profound found ways based on our needs and expectations and all that which is no news but think about it in on text here so if you think for for example that other animals are stupid and explainable in basically just available to us typically what not has mantis santa's that we've exploited them more and more ruthlessly. Let's say chicken or something so so one case hum they're confined have no space to turn around sheds of these stories they're they're stuck in very small spaces or they're in in and massive buildings of hundred thousand ourselves with nothing but chickens and hardly any space in stifling <hes>. No socialistic can operate plus. They've been bred for disability in for maximum weight gain. We don't breed them. We breed them and we don't be done for intelligence. Sociability those things except in specialty cases so basically we've turned them into something that then you can turn around and say well look. They really are pretty stupid. It unsociable and you know they have to know about you know where the chickens have their beaks cut off the reason for that is just barbarric right the reason for it is because otherwise they peck each other to death in these big sheds ed's so you so now you have chicken and the reason for that is because their social chickens have so far but they're involved for small flocks. The aren't evolved all four hundred thousand birds in volumes. Go crazy in that setting to right so they go crazy. The consequences there are further mutilated that so this whole ball keeps rolling enrolling board it produces as a you know totally non adapted genuinely stupid creature but that's not what they are that they were at the start of the process or what they could be in fact is what they didn't turn into but because they've been turned into that then we can look at them and say well. That's all they really are anyway right so that's reduction of all these capacities and potentials and itself validating because once it's done. It's excuses users itself right. That's what else are they good for right. That's fascinating and this is played out this cell validating reduction. I think a few years ago in the press into after the first and only ever interstellar object was detected passing through our solar system which was labeled mua. If if i'm pr- hopefully pronouncing that decently and the chair of harvard's astronomy department a tenured professor named avi loeb became came out vocally and said that he thought this this could be a sign of alien life for various reasons this object to different properties than anything else that's been seen and so he's called for a form of cosmic modesty z. about our presence and <hes> which sort of the idea that there's an arrogance to assume that we're the only ones in the universe and we're only particularly special such species and it was an interesting interview that he did which i'll read a quote from with w._b. You are in which he talks about new and in a way that really highlights what's the point i think in some ways of the celebrating prophecy and this is what he said to the journalist to me the entire discussion about moolah moolah is very similar to an imaginary scene where you see a cave person being shown in iphone and this person would look at it and think that it might be a rock and then show it to other members of his or her tribe and the people there would still say no. It's probably a rock and how dare you say something something else. How dare you talk about something that is different than iraq because rockstar everything that we're familiar with and so to me not even putting aliens on the table for discussion as a crime. This is a very in your superstar astronomer who most of his colleagues immediately <hes> tried to shut down <hes> in in the unsurprisingly but <hes> but it reminded me of of have the fermi paradox that you bring up as a thought experiment come to life in many ways in this regard yeah so i'm feeling a little like them sounding too cynical or misanthropic or something and it certainly that temptation and all the stuff that i don't really feel that way at all. Actually i feel profoundly hopeful and <hes> you know analyst loving toward all people impossibilities here and so i one thing i would just highlight a thinking this that whole discussion is the intrigue you know so there is there is decide. I'd something comes through and you know. We don't know what it was exactly. It wasn't it doesn't conform to any of our apparently ideas of the artificial but who knows my ideas about the artificial are not particularly not the only way you can think about heart attacks were manifest stations so we don't know exactly and then just the idea that <hes> you know despite the rocks of rejection his colleagues people would bring that up and keep bringing it up <hes> the possibility that there's some other kind of presence being manifested in. We're living in the midst of it. <hes> you know that's still that's still attracts. People so despite the fact that it also unsettles us <hes> there is a edgeware always willing to go off into the into receptivity to other other than human minds so i'm profoundly heartened by things like that i mean i don't know what the object or whatever it was was either obviously but at least it opens up something for us in in the in the cultural space that i think is really wonderful. Do you think that it applies to us in the sense of how we're thinking about a i today i'm thinking about. There's a wonderful thought experiment in rebecca goldstein's stein's book plato at the google plex where she imagines plato encountering today's technologies and being just astonished. I am elated to find that there's this thing called the cloud the contains all human knowledge and then he's quickly disillusioned when he realizes is that there's a difference between knowledge and wisdom or data and knowledge and so and your books you you you bring up a related a related thought around like suppose we've constructed the super intelligent that's great but the real question gene is whether it can distinguish relevant data from from noise in a way it might have to deal with on wonder as well and there's a sense of like the on wonder induced by animals comes from an inherent a no ability or inability to know them completely -pletely at least and then the idea that you could even pretend to know something completely threw numerical or other data. It's kind of an affront to that sense of that is what inspires us to care and feel wonder in the first place. Perhaps that's part of it. I think in terms of stories a lot so here's here's a little story about that. So when i was younger i used to play a lot of tests and that china chess computers were just coming in and <hes> so people would program them in all levels from kind of the thing you can not commercially to the fancier ones that would play a higher levels of the reprogrammed <unk> feed in all the games that people play it and the other way the way chessmaster human taskmasters train this went on for a long time and guide increasingly complex in the search algorithm somehow how many moves onto finally one of these computers defeated the world chess champion. Everyone's gonna okay well. Computers are smarter than us at least in that way on the same thing happened recently with go up to really spooky thing that happened with the stuff is that that that whole way of programming computer to play chess and it finally basically just overwhelmed looking in players because it could go farther and call him more games faster and and calculate of farther but the hallway of pro computers is only one way to program computers to play chess the the new way and the go-to is that they basically programmed the computer teach itself to play chess so instead of showing all these games or whatnot they they just said here are the rules and that was at the computer went and played itself couple billion times. We've got its own rules. It's on mackinac strategic maximum and then proceeded this happened in go which is probably harder than chances not easier than chest at least <hes> in. I believe and i'm getting this right in about four hours or so. Computer went from not being able to play goal to beating the world. Champion spooked so okay so now it's going on. This is not so we created the physical devices devices that this stuff is running right and some programs written but the computer basically programming themselves that point so now you can imagine just the next which is already. I think challenging enough to our notions of how controllable are how understandable or how human the human unlike this kind of thinking really is but a next step would be to back up another stage as it were allowed the computers or in order to program themselves to program themselves right says another stage who knows what's possible we- well you know there's certain totally spectacular things possible in four hours of computer playing. Here's the other thing in the i was reading accounts so this just happened a couple of years ago. The feat of human champ go world champion <hes> lost decisively by the way but the other nothing that olive advance go players say is that they don't understand how the computers are playing not just mechanics of it but the moves they don't make sense sense strategically for humans but the computers so whatever's going on. They are not thinking they didn't. They're not reinventing. Humans think about gore chest. They're doing something thing else. So what's going on is that i'm not prepared to say that this is a dependent or ultimately <hes> some profound an essential way more limited form of intelligence than ours. Were something like that. I mean it's true. We're just we're talking about particular the game strategy but the kinds of capacities that are being exhibited here are seems to me pretty reliable and so who knows but i think english should i'm not a lot of people are very worried about this and think we should you know project a lot of human motives into artificial intelligence. It's another thing we're going to be taken over possibly exterminated in all this s._o._s. You know a human. We're doing but once again i mean i think we're in completely. Twilley uncharted territory out that vote. Why would they have those kinds of motives. It's interesting as it reminds me. We've we've talked some on the podcast about this concept. That's been introduced in lieu of the anthrax vaccine the aramis in the age of loneliness but you talk in your books about blindness blindness and not mistaking that blindness for loneliness. There's a you say what loren eisley calls are quote. Loneliness is really only are blindness and it is for another thing not any kind of species given but in some ways very recent and in part our own doing by what right can we complain of loneliness when we live in a world so rich and intelligence that even shows up as robert frost noted in a famous poem in the mites crawling across the very pages of our philosophical and scientific towns. Perhaps those very that complained so feelingly love degrade polo yeah it is. I'll have to tell you a story about that. I was thinking about that that earlier today and i couldn't remember the name of the poem so you know angled it finally figured that out <hes> considerable spec let's call all but when i found along the way was a review of short review of it and i read so little candidate review astonishing because the person literally could could not take seriously the idea that the poem is actually about a might show so the suggestion all. It's actually what he's allegory innocent. This was this allegory about frost. Critics comparing them to might and sort of trying to be catering is in recent prophetic or something like that. Isn't that astonishing. I don't think that's depressing or you read. A little edge at the end of the punk is he says something about like it's rare to find intelligence on a page or something so maybe you know but he's but frost. I is up as far as my impression. At least you know pretty down to earth open heart kind of person. He's writing about a might. If you read the poem he's reading thought that might he's he's he's sympathizing <unk> welcoming the sense of cohabiting meaningful world other creatures but the person the review simply could not see that and so it had to be translated into something like humans. I was just floored by that in a certain way. That's the whole point right. They're like that and then the mighty example is a good one. I i'm pretty familiar with lights on my pages because i sometimes much bigger things so sometimes sometimes. I have a studio out eco-village project. You mentioned do a bunch of writing out there and it's not you know there's insects in there all the time so i being companion in sexist as a familiar thing and quite exactly what he's writing does science scientific intelligence adaptation movement putnik possibly fearing you can sympathize with is that you wouldn't talks about the night coming up two lines of i guess he was reading with wet income so it would smell the smell. The ink can go another donovan direction and things like that kind of awakening to that an appreciating that intelligence that that sense of mind. I think he uses the word mine. It was just a beautiful thing and but it's again it's it takes some work that review indicates. It's not any more natural for us. Well well close dr west and we like to ask each of our guests for several books or films have influenced how you think about animals and that you'd recommend to listeners to several come to mind. Oh yeah we mentioned david ablett spell of the sensuous such. I think is really wonderful and it's really very same. We were just on. That's that's really what it's about is the whole world as communicative expressive and ourselves as immersed in it. He has a really intriguing lots of different stanton. One of them is about the origin of the alphabet. Phonetic alphabet is kind of no abstraction out of signs that are started out as invoking the world calling animal tracking and all kinds of things like that but the larger so that's interesting whether you agree with it or not but the overall all feeling of indebtedness in a in a in a living alert aware world is is very powerful so i'd absolutely recommend that a couple others who came to mind jim nolan was a musician has a book has a bunch of books but really one is called dolphin dream time it's about making music with animals and other animals and really some remarkable stylized said i think in terms of stories and so some remarkable stories about how you can systematically overlook suppressing disrupt the communication sharing komo expressive worlds as other teachers but also how you can invoke and celebrated to stayed on them so he among other things it's kind of jamming that he does with with orca in particular a member of a citizens interesting lovely stories but mostly really good stories to think with you know think about the guts and good counterpoint thinking there's musical term. They're yeah. It's a good counterpoint to thinking about. Language is the only way that we might communicate that community musical communion that for a model and he's he's he he does that nisa practice so that's a really interesting and very approachable book midgely english philosopher. I wrote a lot about animals and animal. Studies and work is nowadays dated. Probably i myself have been very influenced by early early. Book of hers from the seventies called called beast man. That's an interesting one. I thought of on the fermi paradox sent back to the where we started of alien contact aliens in contact paul davies astronomer paul davies has a book called the eerie silence which is about exclude whereas everybody question and what we might be missing and how he might listen or invite contact with <unk> other my other extraterrestrial mines in ways that we haven't done yet so that's an interesting and i want to mention one more which is <hes> since we started when you started also with standard lamb writer highlight very much the kind of fabulous and rationalists and other things but he gets into an his way a lot of these themes so he has probably most famous novelist called solaris which is actually made into a film a couple of times times although he didn't like them so i haven't seen them but the it's about sifi at its best can really create imaginative context for going way past where we think at present so this is a story about a seemingly seemingly intelligent planet. I guess the ocean or so-called ocean on a planet but it's more it's not really water but the seems to be various ways and so there's a human station orbiting in trying to make contact quote unquote that they really don't know what they're doing like. Try to bombarded with bombs at one point to try to make contact meantime all this really bizarre from the human characters. When of you stuff keeps happening things show up on the ship and it turns out he will nothing ever turns out. You never really know what's going on which is really leonard point but it it seems like whatever this other being as probing the humans some things in a little bit psychoanalytic time some soup suit creek some things show up out of there while apparently other humans show up out of the past lives of the astronauts and all kinds of which you can see like there's some synthetic abilities in that london like the way they were actually conceived in fact but but still you know this so the idea that we're kind of out there probing the mysteries of the universe was kind of reversed in this really kind of clever understated way lay. It turns out that were being pro. We're amos and the university pro by of just understated. Just left the possibility so it's a it's a good book to read and ponder us again a story that makes you think about ultimately about who we are in a relation into the surf in different ways dr west and it's been a joy. Thank you so much for joining us. 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Solved Murders Crossover: Helen Potts Pt. 2

Crimes of Passion

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Solved Murders Crossover: Helen Potts Pt. 2

"Due to the graphic nature of this murder case listener discretion is advised. This episode includes dramatization discussions violence and murder that some people may find disturbing. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen late in the day. On february first eighteen ninety one a horse-drawn carriage made its way north to midtown manhattan. Cynthia pots and carlyle. Harris sat in silence during the ride. Cynthia was too grief stricken to talk. Carlyle had just informed her that her daughter. Helen potts was dead. Cynthia thought about how helena died before she in carlisle that chance to celebrate their marriage openly with friends and family. The thought weighed heavily on cynthia. She tried to discuss it with her son in law. Now that might do girl is gone. It must all come out. She must be buried under your name. Helen harris that is out of the question but she is your wife. You can't deny it anymore. I can and i shall. What good will come of it. Helen is beyond help now. Why should she dragged me down with her devastated. Cynthia and drop the subject. There seemed to be no point in trying to convince him but as she stared out the carriage window a fresh wave of fear and dread washed over her. It was clear that carlyle wanted to pretend like his relationship with. Helen had never happened. He was to erase all traces of her. Cynthia turned study carlisle's face and she wondered just how far he was willing to go to escape his marriage to helen. Potts welcome to solve murders true crime mysteries. A par cast original. I'm your host carter. roy. And i'm your host. Wendy mackenzie every wednesday. We step into the world of true crimes most fascinating murder cases and tell the tale of how real life detectives closed the case you can find episodes of solved murders and all other park has originals for free exclusively on spotify to stream solve murders for free on spotify just opened the app and type solve murders in the search bar. This is our second episode on the murder of helen potts. Last week we talked about how a young medical student carlyle harris corded eighteen year old hellman and convinced her to marry him in secret he soon grew tired of his wife but not before impregnating her and performing an abortion that nearly took her life. This week we'll discuss what happened after. Helen suddenly died of morphine poisoning after an initial leg in the investigation journalists latched onto the story and turned it into one of the most sensationalized cases of the decade. We have all that and more coming up. Stay with us. Steve form has surprisingly great rates for your home and car with equally. Great service like an award winning mobile app personal customization services. Oh and again. Great rates eighty now. So you need to make the case. No when you want the real deal like a good neighbor stay. Farmers there state farm dot com to learn more. This episode of crimes of passion is brought to you by the completely reimagined. Twenty twenty four escape matthew. Listen to where the story's going you might as well stay relaxed. The twenty twenty four to scape best in class legroom on gas models and available panoramic moon roof and of course ford co-pilot sixty to help you feel confident and in-command on the road ahead gas motto only based on the second row seat in the most at position classes non premium compact utility At around two o'clock pm on february first 1891 jeopardy coroner albert weston made his way to the comstock school. A finishing school in midtown manhattan. He was there to examine the body of a student. Nineteen year old helen potts. He also conferred with the doctors that had tried to save. Helen's life they were in agreement that helen had died of morphine poisoning before concluding his visit. Weston spoke to someone else who had been present for. Helen's death twenty two year old medical student. Carlyle harris carlisle. Who called himself. A friend of helen's family had prescribed her the morphine. He was adamant that the dosage had been too low to cause an overdose when he gave the pillbox to helen. He even withheld two of the six capsules to ensure that she wouldn't have access to a lethal amount. Deputy weston was baffled at how helen could been poisoned by such a seemingly. Small dose of morphine. But later that evening. He spoke with helen's mother. Cynthia pots. Her statements raised even more questions about the nature of helen's death. Oh it is a terrible tragedy. She was under strain starting at a new school learning so many new things. She hardly slept. Surely you don't think insomnia killed her not alone but she had heart troubles her whole life. She was afflicted with scarlet. Fever has a girl she was never the same. After mrs potts. I'm operating under the belief that she poisoned. Oh no it cannot be anything so terrible. Who would do a thing like that. That's what i'm trying to get to the bottom of no. It was a heart that killed her pose weight girl but in reality there was nothing wrong with helen's heart it was a lie to protect helen and one that carlyle also suggested to the corner. Cynthia knew that her daughter's death was ruled suspicious. The medical examiner would have to perform an autopsy. Then they would discover that. Helen had undergone an abortion. Even so the coroner's office still wasn't ready to declare helen's death an accident after questioning. Cynthia western reported back to his boss. Coroner lewis scholtz schultz took over the investigation but he made a series of mistakes that would seriously jeopardize their case i. He failed to contact the police to assist him at that time. Rivalries often existed between the police department. The district attorney's office and the coroner's office all of these agencies played a role in solving homicides but the first to arrive at the scene often tried to monopolize the investigation. The doctors who attended helen at her death made the first mistake by only calling the corner and not the police. When the case fell into shelters hands he thought he could handle it on his own but he immediately proved that he was out of his depth shortly after reviewing the evidence. Schultz lost the prescription pill box. That had contained the capsules of morphine with that. The only piece of hard evidence was gone. He also allowed helen's body to be returned to her family without pressing for an autopsy on february fourth. Helen's family held a funeral for the young woman at the ceremony. Helen's father george was convinced that he saw helen move. He refused to allow the burial to proceed. I saw her. Grief can affect us. Very powerfully stood aside. I will let her go into the crowd. She has already been involved. What you say is impossible. What your teacher took certain she's got i understand sir. George waited another three days guarding the body hoping she might wake up on. February seventh finally conceded that she was dead and allowed the burial to take place. Carlyle harris did not attend the services nor did he allow her to be buried under his name. He did visit. Helen's mother a few days after the funeral however he wasn't there to pay his condolences. Ma'am what are you doing here. Car lila. do you recall some months ago. I gave you a copy of our marriage certificate. Yes i recall that appalling document. I like it back. What on earth for you wish to destroy it like you destroyed the original. We've spoken about this before madame. There's no good in our marriage coming out. It might cause great harm to me. If anyone discovered it there are worse things that might come out about you carlisle. What do you suspect i've done. I suspect a great many things. It is only out of respect for helen. That i've stayed silent. You can't believe i'm so wretched. What can i do to convince you. Otherwise nothing carlisle. There is a grave between us now. It cannot be crossed. Please madam what would you have to. I think you should leave this city. I've spoken with your mother about it and told her you should go west. You've caused enough. Why should i do that. I'm nearly done with my education. I've worked hard to get here. And i see no reason to let you run me off just because you couldn't control your daughter now. Will you hand over the marriage certificate. I will not carlyle worried that his reputation would suffer if his secret marriage came out but he had a more pressing concern. The coroner's office still hadn't made an official ruling about helen's death. Schultz pestered carlisle to turn over the two pills. He kept from helen when he filled. The prescription carlisle turned one of the capsule in but claimed to have lost the other and analysis of the pill revealed that it contained a normal non lethal dose of morphine making. It unlikely that the pharmacist had made an error in preparing the prescription towards the end of february a few weeks. After helen's death schultz presented all of the evidence to a coroner's jury. The jury concluded that helen had died of morphine poisoning. However they couldn't make a conclusive determination on whether her death was an accident or homicide especially since her mother continued to insist that helen had chronic health problems that may have caused her death and they had not done an autopsy. After the coroner's inquest. The district attorney's office was notified about the case. But based on the information gathered the district attorney decided. There wasn't enough evidence to pursue any criminal charges but while the authorities seemed indifferent about helen's death journalists. Were all too eager to discuss the case. The tragic death of a beautiful young woman was compelling enough. Reporters were even more intrigued by rumors of her secret. Love affair with a gambling playboy carlyle harris one dogged. Reporter named dilworth chote took a particular interest in the story. Chote wrote for the new york evening. World a paper known for its sensationalist style of reporting showed had a hunch that there was more to the helen potts story and he was prepared to keep digging until he found the answers. Up next carlisle's lecherous past becomes a front page story high listeners. Here's a show you'll enjoy when it comes to love. Every story is unique. Some play out like fairy tales seemingly meant to be others defy the odds to achieve happily ever after in our love story. The new spotify original from park cast. You'll discover the many pathways to love as told by the actual couples who found them every tuesday. 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Chote learn that some of the faculty at carlisle's medical school were discussing the possibility of expelling him. The effort was led by one of carlisle's professors. Dr george peabody. Even though carlisle hadn't yet been implicated in a crime. Dr peabody was appalled. By the young man's behavior he thought carlyle had been extremely foolish to prescribe helen. Morphine for insomniacs had headaches in the first place and it was even worse given that he was still a student doctor. Peabody took his concerns to the president of the school. Dr james w mclean out prescriptions. He has no right. He is not a physician yet. Do you think that's enough to expel them. A woman died after accepting his treatment. I believe the family of the dead woman has much to say about it. We shall see a call them right away as dr mclean weighed whether to expel carlisle. He contacted cynthia pots to ask her for more information. Cynthia agreed to tell the doctor everything she knew about carlyle harris. She trusted that. The medical school officials would only use her statement to decide whether to expel carlisle. She never considered that. Anyone else might read it. Cynthia along with helen's uncle dr trevor ten submitted affidavits to the medical school faculty explaining helen. Secret marriage her pregnancy. And the botched abortion performed by carlisle. Dr mclean was horrified by these revelations in his opinion carlo harris deserved punishment even worse than expulsion. He believed the young men should be arrested against the pots family's wishes he sent the affidavits to the district attorney's office after reviewing these lurid details. Someone likely an employee at the da's office sent copies to journalists dilworth. Chote the next day choke went to visit carlyle harris to hear his side of the story. You admit that you were married. Yes we were in love. You try to hide it. I was only trying to protect us both. But you didn't protect her. She's dead isn't she. Not through any fault of mine whose fault then. I'm sorry to say it must have been helen's four capsules of morphine. She must have taken them all at once. Carlisle insisted on his innocence. But that didn't stop the new york evening world from printing a spread about carlisle cd passed a few days later. Carlisle was deeply shaken by the negative press although prosecutors had already declined to press charges carlisle worried that the bad coverage might influence them to rethink their decision so he paid a visit to the district attorney's office in person hoping to clear his name and get ahead of the news he met with. Da delancey nickel. Every rag in the city has been writing about me or is about to begin writing. It will be a great blow to my reputation. I don't doubt it. But why are you coming to me. I wanted to make sure that this journal ism won't change her opinion of me. I hadn't formed an opinion yet. I'm relieved to hear it. I hope you don't plan on listening to what those vultures say about me. No i like to reach my own conclusions about the measure of a man. This meeting has been most instructive. Carlyle harris had hoped his charm and good manners would convince the da of his innocence instead. Nicole was put off by the young. Men's brash confidence instead of staying quiet and letting the rumors die down. Carlisle kept drawing attention to himself adding fuel to the fire. After carlisle left nickel told another attorney. There is no doubt in my mind. That harris is a guilty man. Nicole decided to reopen the investigation into helen's death. He turned the case over to district. Attorney's francis wellman and charles sims. They quickly ordered the exhumation of helen. Potts body the coroner's office had failed to perform an autopsy at the time of her death. The attorneys decided. It was time to correct that mistake on march. Twenty fifth eight hundred ninety one. Helen's body was removed from her tomb. The autopsy discovered that helen had no heart issues. She was perfectly healthy prior to death despite the claims of her mother further analysis revealed that she had likely ingested dose of between three and five grains of morphine prior to death much higher than the prescription had accounted for and there was no quinine in her system which was a stated ingredient of the medication. It was clear that someone had tampered with helen's pills. Investigators were now all the more certain that her death was no accident when the district attorney's office presented this new evidence in front of a grand jury. They issued a warrant for carlisle's arrest. Two detectives quickly went out in search of carlyle harris. Carlisle didn't turn up at home. Police went to his lawyer's office. There they found a young man fitting carlisle's description. He refused to identify himself but the officers still arrested him. They dragged the young men to a courtroom for a preliminary custody hearing when they got there. They made an astonishing discovery. Young men were to say about this warrant for your arrest. I'm not surprised by any of it. Carlyle harris harris's a scoundrel. Nobody knows that better than i do. You have the wrong man. explain yourself. Carlisle is my brother. My name is mccreevy harris. The police in district attorney were at a loss. The group spent several minutes arguing before the judge about the young man's identity. They were still trying to settle the dispute when a message came in from the district attorney's office carlyle harris had turned himself in mccreadie harris was released and carlyle was brought into custody was sent to the manhattan detention center known as the tombs to await his trial. Journalists continued to report breathlessly. On every detail of the story from helen. Secret marriage to her tragic end the news coverage devastated the potts family. Helen's mother cynthia had worked so hard to keep the story from coming to light she had even covered for carlisle drawing suspicion away from him by inventing helen's heart condition. She had gone so far alter protect her daughter's name. Now there is nothing left to protect which meant for cynthia pots. The time had come to finally speak up coming up. Carlyle harris stands trial for murder. This episode of crimes of passion is brought to you by the completely reimagined. Twenty twenty four to scape just like the stories we tell here. Every road has twist and turns. That's ford has completely reimagined. The two thousand twenty four to escape with ford co-pilot three sixty a suite of advanced driver. Assist technologies designed to help you feel more confident and in-command on the road to ensure you stay moving. Hybrid models have an available best in class. Epa estimated combined fuel economy forty one miles per gallon the completely reimagined twenty twenty four escape. 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He had nothing to do but await his trial which was eventually set for january of eighteen. Ninety two in the meantime although carlyle adamantly denied any involvement in helen's death the negative press continued. Despite his vocal cries of innocence. His past actions spoke louder. Journalists eagerly covered every detail of his depravity against helen the taboo subjects of secret love pregnancy abortion and murder made for thrilling reading the interviews. Given by helen's grief stricken mother were among the most compelling what you had to say about carlisle's arrests spots. I only say that. Helen deserve none of this. Her only fault was that she placed her love entrusted an unworthy men. It was my own blindness. That i allowed it to happen but now see carlyle for what he is. We all see who that man is. Cynthia was one of the few people privy to helen's heartbreak after carlisle impregnated and then abandoned her since the story. All come out. Cynthia had nothing left to lose in repeating the truth. She said about making sure that everyone knew what a scoundrel carlyle harris was. She even sent a twenty five page letter to the prosecutors. In the case describing carlisle is a serial manipulator of young women by the time. The trial began on january fourteenth. Eighteen ninety two carlyle harris had been unequivocally denounced across america. Crowds watched the case with excitement. Thrilled for the chance to see him. For justice. in his opening statement prosecutor francis willman began by telling the court that he desired to give carlyle harris a fair trial then he changed his tone. He did everything he could to. Emphasize carlisle's detestable public image. Think of the kind of man who resorts to poison. This is not a work of inflamed passions. This is not a man who strikes out in anger. this is a cold cunning act. Think of the calculating nature of the kind of a man who would do such a thing. This is the type of defendant before you gentlemen and the facts will prove it. So the new york herald called it. The greatest opening statement of wellman's career. He had captivated the jury with his story of a beautiful. Young woman led astray by a devious coward. After his initial remarks he launched into his examination of the witnesses dr fowler attended to helen in her. Final moments recounted the battle to save her life. Cynthia pots retold. The story of helen's disastrous marriage to carlisle. Several physicians were brought in as experts to confirm that morphine poisoning was the likely cause of death. The evidence was circumstantial. But convincing at that point it was almost impossible for carlisle to rehabilitate his image with the jury. His defense attorney william travers. Jerome didn't spend much time trying to convince anyone of his clients. Good character instead. He did his best to paint. Carlisle's behavior as youthful indiscretions before quickly moving on to other arguments. The defense contended that there was no absolute proof. That morphine had killed helen. The attorney hammered the fact that the coroner's office had waited more than a month to even conduct an autopsy. There was a chance that she could have died from some other illness. Carlisle hope this chance would be enough to instill a reasonable doubt in the jury to help. Bolster his case. The defense produced an expert witness. Dr horatio would to discuss other possible causes of death. He seemed knowledgeable at first until the prosecution cross examined him. You're in esteemed physician dr would. How did you draw your conclusions. I've read many books on the subject. Oh many books impressive. And how many patients have you actually diagnosed with. Morphine poisoning. I i don't see the relevance you don't see the relevance you've been called to give expert testimony on whether a young woman died of morphine poisoning. Shouldn't you be intimately familiar with the effects. I how many patients have you diagnosed with morphine poisoning in the last decade. Dr would i believe one one patient one patient in the last ten years is that right. Yes that's correct. Wait actually you. That case was fifteen years ago. Let us go back further. How many opium patients have you diagnosed in the last twenty years it could be two or three is to or is it three. I think three you've had a long and a lustrous career. Do you honestly believe that the diagnosis of three patients in twenty years grants you the experience to call yourself an expert and morphine poisoning. No questions dr. Woods testimony was a disaster for the defense so much. So the carlisle's attorney william jerome collapsed in tears while questioning the next witness. The judge allow the court to adjourn early for the weekend. Jerome's breakdown became. Its own mini spectacle within the media circus surrounding the trial for the next few days reporters congregated around jerome's house to hypothesize about the lawyers health and wellbeing various. Thank you all for your concern. I assure you. I am simply overworked. Are she'll be right again with a good meal and a few days rest. Do you fear for the fate of your clients. No more questions gentlemen. I will see you all on monday. Until then i plan to put this case entirely out of my mind by monday. Jerome was back in court. Ready to proceed with the case but the damage had been done after a three week. Trial the attorneys made their closing arguments on february second. Eighteen ninety. two. A day after the anniversary of holland's tragic death. The jury returned after little. More than an hour of deliberation they found carlyle harris guilty of first degree murder the following week. The judge sentenced carlisle to death upon hearing the news. Helen's father told reporters. I hope i may be allowed to touch the button of the electrical machine that kills the man that murdered my daughter. I shall make application to the authorities for the privilege. Carlisle build the case. He fired his old attorneys and hired new ones believing that his counsel had bungled the case but by march eighteen ninety three his appeal was rejected before this happened. And his execution could scheduled carlyle had pursued one last ditch effort to save his own life. His only recourse was to smear the name of his dead wife in february of eighteen. Ninety three carlisle's attorneys moved for yet another trial claiming they had discovered new evidence that helen was he drug addict. Carlisle wanted to make a case that if helen had died of morphine poisoning. It must have been self administered. Carlisle's bombshell created another new round of sensationalist. Headlines has reporters feverishly speculated on helen's health and habits to support his allegation carlisle submitted several affidavits from young women claiming to be helen's friends these individuals insinuated that helen used to carry around a pillbox she went. They claim that she was constantly drowsy and seemed as if she were under the influence of something one man a druggist clerk in helens hometown of asbury new jersey claimed he'd sold her morphine dozens of occasions. These assertions were strongly countered by scores of helen's friends and family. Those who are newer best adamantly denied that she regularly used morphine. It was thought by many that carlyle had used family. Money to buy the testimony of helen's accusers. The judge was not swayed by this new evidence. Carlisle's request for a new trial was denied despite carlile's best efforts to paint himself as a wrongly accused man. The most likely explanation remained that he had killed helen potts. he was tired of their attachment. He had no desire to publicly formalize their marriage and so he looked for an opportunity to get rid of her once and for all he might not have been thinking of anything sinister. When helen complained of headaches in early january eighteen ninety one but a few weeks later a plot likely formed in carlisle's mind as he listened to a medical school lecturer led by dr george peabody. The topic was morphine. Good afternoon gentlemen. Today's lecture on morphine. Its uses in medicine and it's poisonous effects in large doses. I have brought samples of the drug for your examination. You may take this bottle and pass it around the room carefully now. When dr peabody allowed students to examine the medicine carlisle likely pocketed a strong dose of morphine during the demonstration. The next time. Helen mentioned her headaches. Carlisle jumped at the chance to treat her. He wrote her a prescription for six pills. Each one containing about four grains of quinine and a sixth of a grain of morphine on january twentieth carlisle filled the prescription at the local drugstore. Or before handing the pillbox over to helen. He most likely opened one of the capsules and shook out the quinine. He then filled the empty capsule with the lethal dose of morphine. The next time he saw helen he handed off the pillbox. He made sure to take out two of the pills. he hadn't tampered with. It would give him plausible deniability later. Here you are my dear. This should fix you right up a promise only four. Shouldn't there be six pills. Yes but i don't think it safe for you to be in possession of so much morphine. I'd hate to put you at any risk. Carl you're so very considerate of me. Of course my darling. Now this should be more than enough to cure those dreadful headaches of yours. That will be a relief. Be sure to take one each night. Don't stop until you finish the pillbox. do you understand. I'll do just as you say that's my girl. After giving helen the morphine carlyle left town. He took a week long vacation. Old point comfort in virginia. Perhaps guilt kept him away. He didn't want to be anywhere near helen when she took the poison. However a day or so after taking the first two pills. Helen road to carlisle complaining that they made her feel sick and didn't help her headaches. She wanted to stop taking them but carlyle wrote back instructing her to continue helen obeyed on another night. Helen took the regular dose of morphine. She still didn't like the way it made her feel but she suffered no serious effects on january thirty first eighteen. Ninety one carlisle had returned from his trip. They plan to see each other that afternoon. Helen's mother visited her the comstock school that day. Helen mentioned the pills to her mother during their visit and shook the bottle to show her that she had only one left. Here's the treatment. Carlisle has suggested. I've already taken three doses. And i've had no improvement. Truthfully it makes me feel awful. Oh your father always feels poorly after taking quinine. But i'm sure it will eventually do you. Some good yes. That's carlyle says he's coming back to the city today. Let's go meet him at the ferry. Oh yes dear. When carlisle returned he and helen spent the afternoon together before returning to their respective schools. That night helen took the fourth and final pill wretched pills. I suppose it is for the best. It was the poison dose. Helen fell ill just before midnight. Doctors were called to her bedside. They worked tirelessly through the night. Despite their efforts. helen potts died early the next morning. None of carlisle's later protests could change the fact that he was the one who had prescribed her the morphine. He had the opportunity to tamper with the dose. He had expressed a wish to be free of their marriage. He got what he wanted and on may eighth. Eighteen ninety three. He paid for it late that morning. A small crowd of witnesses and reporters gathered in the execution room of sing. Sing prison moments later. Carlisle was led into the room to be seated in the electric chair. He remained calm in his final moments. Making one final declaration of innocence. Then he sat back and waited for the signal as the switch was flipped. One thousand seven hundred sixty volts of electricity passed through his body for just under a minute moments later. Carlisle was pronounced dead. The saga of helen potts and carlyle. Harris had captivated the country for over two years but with carlisle's execution it came to an abrupt end. Carlyle was buried in a rural cemetery. Upstate new york. His mother still believing him to be innocent. Had his gravestone engraved with the phrase murdered by twelve men. If the jury had only known carlyle had spent years indulging two sides of himself sometimes he presented himself as a philandering ladies man who only cared about pleasure another occasions he held himself out to be a sophisticated intellectual destined for class respectability in the end. None of these traits defined him. When he went to his grave the world only saw him as a murderer. Thanks again for tuning in to solve murders. We'll be back next wednesday with another episode for more information on the case we found the book. Six capsules the gilded age murder of helen pods by george article senior extremely helpful to our research you can find all episodes of solve murders and all other park s originals for free on spotify on not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music. But now spotify's making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. Like solved murders for free from your phone. Desktop or smart speaker to stream. 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Tricia Helfer

Sci-Fi Talk: The First Season

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Tricia Helfer

"Now another addition of tony auto on by talk lord of the rings Abraham votes julian sands creepy man. Who your mazda. Someone i two. Wow hey that's great. Appreciate my guy. The archangel gabriel is early. What is most important. Is that burnham forgives herself because as burnham i carry a tremendous amount of guilt and shame on my name is alex zahara played even god's zales to iron shirt the one eyed onus breaking code rush almetco kakapo not seifi talk typical behavior special effects. What's it like. Urfi you both to kind of act two things. That aren't there. Well you know sometimes you have that experience anyway. Gone in part. Because of the hopeful nature of genes vision but also because of its message of diversity and inclusion wrong and prosper and today we have a vintage conversation a few years back with tricia helfer who was of course number six on battle star. Galactica press conference. She was appearing on burn notice. Let's go back in time on the best of sci-fi top question comes from ellen blair. Please go ahead question about the question regarding your role backlog like well the ideal number spiked the ball cars. Hey plainly over the conclusion to the number six in baltas head okay. yeah Definitely is Yes for the first time. I find out after five seasons or five years of filming What that relationship is so there will be a conclusion By the finale yet. And we have a question from the line of maybe steinberg petra. It's such a pleasure to speak with you. Thank you when you joined. The cast of our notice was there instant chemistry when everyone came together. What it takes some time to develop I i i say. There was instant chemistry But it was really only I really only worked with with jeffrey. Donovan I met gabrielle. And and i met bruce that works in a little bit. I just such an easy going guy. Impossible to get along with them and and gabrielle is really sweet. Jeffrey had actually emailed me prior to going down the time to to welcome me and say excited. That was That every joining the show. So i went down knowing it was going to be a great task to work with and and they didn't let me down. They were just really wonderful. Work with not one. Have you found the most challenging aspect of your role as carla. I think the most challenging aspect was actually similar to go to the first question about with about ballots are kind of not knowing. Be the end with carla. I didn't know who carla works for. I didn't know management was The entire time i film. So you're kind of you're just gonna fill in the blanks yourself but at the same time you know really wanna take okay. This is who it is you know. Make strong back during yourself because In case it is revealed But that i'd say was. The hardest thing is is turn being caller being a pretty much elusive to me as the actor as as she is judy audience. Because what is your involvement beyond the next. Are you on for next season I'm not on board for next season. No and i like to say i was the second season So i will be my laptop this weekend and the now in up okay. So what do you tell us about those two episodes. What kind of resolution might we get the for back From the midseason hiatus. Which definitely showed that. Carla had taken by surprise if it she'd been rattled um which she you know she's not used to and So it it definitely comes to a combination in the finale where she You know she's been trying to get information from from michael weston about who tried to kill him. Tried to fly bubba department and it really comes to a culmination with management breathing. Down her back. And she's you know she's put her neck on the line in terms of Vouching for michael weston and And michael hasn't really fully come up with with anything to help her out so It comes to a culmination point. Finale can you talk about how you first time dollars with another i. i got involved with Very rare but very wonderful situation where you get offered a job Yeah i was. I was up in vancouver something battle star and and I spend my my Agents and my manager about about the job and i actually had seen it The show because Being in canada a lot in vancouver filming battle stars backburner burn up an arab there yet unfortunately but So they sent me. Dvd's and i was hooked from the from the first episode and gladly signed on To join in for the second season but it it it it came in as an offer and I cook nice all right now. Carla is quite serious and so is sit on data dr and they both have this this great power and you don't want them but i was wondering. Do you prefer to play type of payers or have you been a little hard to branch out not of as sort of picking destroyer. Well you know i. I'd rather i'd rather play asking destroyer or you know a a strong. You know spy or agent than than some meek vulnerable character but it definitely. I don't wanna get you know. Typecast is one thing and and that's certainly some of the other things i've been doing in hiatus doing other roles right Although i have one coming up in shock where i'm asking by i don't know about that but i don't know how well my my Not being typecast going. I mean they're great shows. I'm super happy to be part of them. And and you know. I think it's important as i go. You know some of my next job. maybe are different. Take a different type of character. But they're certainly fun characteristic play. They're smart they're they're strong there You know who who wouldn't want to play trump email character. What are you talking really that you're not giving to try to hear about that. My cracking miracle. Mica and carla. I've noticed that the show on and she kind of tend to allow talk loud. God trust michael ma. Even though you're carrying not gonna probably find out more about call it oughta and that times about how hammond michael holley microwave broken together You'll get to see a little bit. Y-you disney her. Carla soften a little bit. She she you know she's been rattled and she needs to rely on on michael a little bit more and she put in trust in him so you. She's hoping that he doesn't let her down. And like i mentioned before she has management breathing down her neck so or rating on her back though she definitely you know putting some trust in michael and and and hoping net up to the bar but you really don't learn. Carlos does stay pretty allusive to the audience. even through the finale. She certainly not gonna hurt her whole history not going to be revealed. Talk about how Taking on that. I ain't gonna find out more about what coach broken occasion ache. You're definitely gonna get a big big clue. They can't alley About who management is. Yeah i won't say for sure if you're gonna find out who you know what the organization is but there will be another piece to the puzzle and You will you will definitely meet Carlos higher up. You'll need carla's you know that you will need managed. We'll get back with tricia helfer as press conference so stay tuned back on sci-fi toilet. I'm tony tiller. And we have a question from the line of plane kyle and tricia. He's gonna fellow elford. Hello i actually want to get a little more Higher level and and you talk about How you manage your career from being discovered as a model in alberta so many years ago and and funding the royal battle guard having management pages who were seeking roles on shows. Like burn notice chuck. So how'd you manage that career path to be on it. All is the career path. That i never thought i'd be going down when i was in high school. I i thought it was going to university in college and As as you said. I was discovered by a model scout and And i thought i'd give that a try and you know cut to ten years later eight years later. I'm getting you know. I had a great career and but feeling like i wanted more. And you definitely more something more intriguing for the and So i started acting class. Just kind of on a whim with health commercial ambitions while i model for another year to And then. I figured. I'd probably i was at finding out stage of what i'm gonna do and Was i going to go back to university. Or what and and Got into acting class and absolutely fell in love with it from the first class. So i gave it a model for another two years and took night classes and new york city and then moved out of new york and la and a year later battle star. So it's you know it's building blocks and it's just you know it's a career. I started at the bottom again and career and and just building your way up and and You know. I've just got. I'm happy that i have agents in manager to believe in and and And so it's just. It's you know the normal process that anyone takes if you're not born into it or yeah have any kind of dealings with business. You just start out you work hard and you know hopefully things fall while your way. Well certainly your sweat equity has has paid off. So what kind of What are your aspirations For acting beyond the. You're doing guest starring role. Thanks here's narrow. But what have you got your finger that you look forward. Mutual well I'm right in the middle of pilot season right now. It's my first year in five years of being available Of battle star now being I got battle star in my first year of acting so it. You know definitely being on a show you know. It's amazing to be honest. Show you want to be on the show but it also limits what you can do your status when you're shooting twenty two episode the year of a show so now is really the pilot season and and i'm actually in negotiations right now with the pilot. I'm quite excited about but It's a little early to stake my claim on it yet Until you know signed on the dotted line but Yeah looking as as one of the callers earlier asked about you. Know varying roles and i'm definitely looking from an x project to be something that's a little bit a little bit different i off. I'll i'll be playing a human and and not a spy. Yeah i'll be looking for for something. That varies the rolls up late. But we're a big huge chuck fans and We would like to know your you have a episode coming up where you're going to be into spy field again. We wanted to know what the similarities and differences between carlisle and your chuck shirked or will be you know. I think the differences are really in the tone of the show burn. Notice is is a show that is You know it's definitely got some levity to it and you know it's a fun show but it's also you fully believe you're fully invested. Michael weston does stuff. You know you want michael weston on your team and With chuck obviously it just takes it that much. You know that another step further into the you know the the comedy side and and it definitely a little lighter and and and fun so with caller you know. Obviously they're both super strong intelligent agents But i think with ancient alec sports who is my chuck cal character. It's just a little bit more Tongue in cheek. And she's much more like casey than she's very by the book she berry no-nonsense kind of emotionless and which sounds similar to call a car. I they're both kind of bad I guess looking back at it But chuck is a little bit more tongue in she. You know you're allowed to Be a little bit more it. Just you could be straighter with on shock. Alex could be straighter. And you know. I worried less about showing dimension to the character. Because she was the humor about the character issue is she is kind of one note emotionless and with carla when you be my concern with her was Making sure that you because you really never find out too much about her making sure that that She's not just you know super agent bitch fi and and that's it and that you get a glimpse into bit of a vulnerability or a bit of a humanity other than just being super strong. Hi tricia how are you. Thank you know after years of watching you manipulate baltimore. What described the difference. Send a challenge in trying to manipulate michael weston. Who kinda resist a little more than guys. A little more than guys You know they're. They're both incredibly intelligent characters But with with guy is you know you you have an number six never had to worry it of Can kinda outsmarting her even though you know obviously the genius scientists it. He's he's so genius he's a little bit Socially enacting some ways and and Michael weston yeah. He's he's so adept at becoming other personnel. Other people in other other characters for his work that you wanna be concerned that you're not being taken advantage of or that. He's not pulling a fast one over on you so to speak volunteers. A little bit more agency which gets what. What was it like when you shot the your last episode for battle star galactica episode is is intense Not only do emotions run really high. Because you're obviously you know. This is the last working with a lot of these people and you become like family over five years But it's it's also very intense because last episode tend to be Come in very long. I think we had a four hour script in in our timeframe to shoot That we were maybe giving a couple of extra days So we really shot an incredibly long hours and everybody to kinda like zombies at the end of it It's intense emotions are really high and But it's also a wonderful feeling a great feeling of accomplishment and and camaraderie to Professionally as an actor. You said that you made the jump from modeling to acting what were what was the biggest challenge you face in making that transition To be honest taking beach be taken seriously. You know the models have signal that they can't act and You're also quite tall not a lot of actors that You know when you're starting out you're obviously not the first one cast so you're trying to fit into a mold and you know you're quite often not cats as the you know quirky best friend. But you're not you don't have the experience to be cast as the lead So it can be really tricky and and one of the biggest things is just to get your your Your people so to speak your asians manage to take you seriously and That's one of the issues. I had when i came out to. La with agency in new york joined agency out here and you know they just wanted to put me up for a walk buying a bikini role kind of thing and and that certainly not me. Because i'm not built like carmen electra. And landers and so. I've found i was in a weird spot of not being. You know not getting put send out for the roles that i wanted and and and that's when you kind of just have to take charge and you walk into the agency and say no i wanna go on this and you know you just have to be persistent. And i think that's one of the biggest things about this agents. That industry in this career is being persistent and believing in yourself and also being ready when the when the timing is right so much of of it is about timing and luck and so he ready when you get the opportunity. Thank you for doing this. does that. All of my male friends online gels like Yeah i was gonna ask you. I canadian which i didn't realize And i was wondering if you had to work. Hard to hound non-canadian roles came naturally from all your and traveling around internationally. I've been living in. I lived in new york since i was eighteen years old. so and travel. You know pretty much all over the world. So i i i guess. My accent kind of disappeared on its own. I didn't consciously do it. But by the time i had started acting i sounded american. Most people actually get gets me a little bit southern then then canadian I didn't have to consciously news lose it now. Although when i do go back to canada you know around the canadian cruise for a while or i go back to my parents farm for a while i come i come back down a little bit more. You know starts coming out but Yeah but my general. My general You know speaking now doesn't have any canadian accent right. Okay and is there anything else. You can tell us about your last two. Another about yeah. It's kinda hard without giving too much away but I i will say that. There's i'm really excited to see the last episode There's a great done at the end. That i'm just excited to see it's not even my son but I really excited to just see it. And and i think it's gonna be a great. Nellie as she answers a question about whether her character carla could come back to burn notice. I don't expect to come back. Certainly not not on a regular basis. But i i certainly sign up coming up on again and and shaking things up and and I think she may have a little thing for casey. At the end of the episode she come back and he's come back and explore that casey doesn't get very much action now that he's done better collect and burn notice. What was it like. Working with. Edward james olmos and mary mcdonald lamberto star for those experiences a little bit different than working chapter john and bruce campbell. You know your know. No i say. They're very similar because there are very talented and very professional people. There's no you know diva attitudes. And there's there it's really about the work and the craft and They're incredibly hard working Starting when a battle star. Eddie and mary obviously You know have been in business for a long time and you know emmy nominated oscar nominated and and just say an incredible experience to be able to work with them and see and and you know for all of the younger cats battle star. It was it was wonderful to have these two kind of how the show. And and you you got to really see what people you're so talented that you know how their passion to the work goes and how much work they put into it and how much dedication and very similar going down to burn notice and you have that that same vibe with people that are just they love each other working on their their dedicated to it and they're really hard workers So there really. Wasn't that much difference aside from obviously the show itself and the type of show. Hi trish. thanks so much for doing this. Thank you Now if carla did come back on bananas next after what you you'd like to see her maybe develop and maybe even make up into ally to michael future. Oh that would be a lot of fun to to become an ally of michael. I mean the it'd be great to have that and you know obviously like to find out a little bit more about what makes her tick And you know find out a little bit more about her Could you ever see her as being possible. Levin treacher michael Oh yes sure. No i think the yonah and the michael relationship is to kind of complex. I think yeah. My own opinion is they've they're made for each other and it's only gonna take them time and you know taking time to figure that out but I certainly wouldn't turn down and turn down a relationship with michael weston. I don't think any girl would. Hi tricia thanks much. You're talking to us today. Thank you with. The finale of fabulous galactic stopped approaching. You know you think there'd be any possibility of spin offs of darfur. Are there in the future. I know they're working on the the prequel. It should be cap rica he. Would you see any possibility in the future. That off to the series. No i i never really thought about that. I i without giving away the finale. I guess i sure to should be. It's definitely it's definitely a a a closing In in one respect but now that you mention it there there could possibly be a spinoff. I don't i don't expect there to be I really don't expect to be an and i don't think that their intention but i guess you know you you never you can never say never in this business of course and you know you know. What have you enjoyed the most about Your work on vernet is and And star you know what i enjoyed the most. Even i think really to be honest. I think some of that is just getting to work with who has to work with You know really talented people and and And getting kind of writing and and direction and everything the people involved Not just the cash. But you know you talking about you. Know ron moore and matt next and just really really great guys Incredible writers and You know i'm fascinated. How their minds work. It's just beyond me how you know it can kinda come up with all this stuff but I i yeah. I'd take getting to work with who have to work within the kind of level of quality scripts and production and then i got to work i. Tricia how you doing. I'm good thanks okay. i'm doing so well And your character carla. She's serious and empowering and everything. I just wanna know what you love the most about playing her you know. I think that that that she ain't not and it isn't powering that she's strong and smart and she's gotten to where she is by her own Gumption you know her own dedication and I like the that. She's very similar to michael Although you don't you don't get to see her fun side like you didn't get michael but you know maybe she has a bit less of one but I like being on par with that level of agent. Now the fact that you know michael west and so Can pretty much do whatever he wants as i can and and fans just i'm you know extent that's how i feel. That carla is carlos not wanted to be taken advantage of and and Which i think is what's interesting about coming up to the last. Two episodes is You know she doesn't trust anybody and she's finally put a little bit of trust into michael. And and and i think that's probably backfiring on her so i just i like the fact that she's strong and and she's good at at her job is michael has been Here's just a little bit I know you've appeared in so many ad. Campaigns are so many different designers. And then walk in the runways all over the world and You know been uncovered elle and vogue and all that Do you ever think that. Maybe you'll make a return to fashion or that's something that Really inspired you or do you really think that in the future you'll probably focus more on your Keep focusing more on your acting and building that resume up. Oh definitely I have no interest in going back into fashion aside from doing you know endorsements or something. I'm certainly be open to to an endorsement but to me that's not Modeling i mean. Technically i guess you're modeling through supposing picture but it's it's a different thing and Besides getting rolled back in But you know. I've been there done that. I had a great credit has learned a lot and But moved on and and much more excited to you know be be working on a character or getting psychology. The character that sort of thing than just posing for a picture of life because i was clinton fortunately school for the catholic version of the. Yes where she works today. Tie i short a great service and it was that the episode on the obviously episode was an emotional one for capital. Thanks and and Know it wasn't anything. I don't think she difficult over. Just you know it's an emotional scene and and I i think actually. I shot that episode right before i went down and did my first episode of burn notice You know i. It just work. And i was glad to. You know i've been fairly light in a few episodes. And and i was glad to see you know a strong scene for my character and I it's hard you know. It was hard seek africa. Lose the baby because she she wanted one. And you know starting stemming from people after she killed the baby and the mini series and you know and now she has her own baby lost But throughout that you know with her relationship with baltimore and tie she's really been in And connected to hera in a way and She's been really kind of striving for this so it was hard to to film that just in that respective of seeing the character lose that but You know. I didn't go home and cry at night. It's obviously not like losing your own baby so it it's hard at work but Got great people around work with you. What your most memorable moment. You had some filming noticed most memorable moment out. There's quite a few I'll say one of my moments. That i i was I think it's an. I'm not sure if it's in the next episode coming up. Where the finale. But we're shooting a limousine scene. Where we're carl trying to get a little information and Offer a little. And get a little from from michael weston and and i had stopped drinking coffee and i been doing green tea on a personal note. I it's time to stop drinking coffee. But we started early in. And i just grabbed a cup of coffee off catering and we go inside the limo. Which of course you can have air conditioning on. Because you hear it with the filming and you're in a limo with camera operator polar a couple of other guys jeopardy than i'm in their miami is humid really hot. I mean a pantsuit. And i got the jitters from the coffee so bad that i could barely speak. I've sweating hair and makeup can't fit in there. I'm trying to do my own powder and airs mad at jimmy Shaking i had to hand hand jeffrey. Something i'm shaking and the scene And we finished it. And i'm like jeffrey i. I don't know what got into me. I am just like whoa. I had coffee this saying and i'm not been drinking coffee and jeffey look latkes like yeah. You stop drinking coffee per well. Then you drink again realized why you shouldn't be drinking it. Yeah jeffrey that that that makes that But you know. I was horrified by the scene while i was shooting. It was uncomfortable but at the same time i i've seen it in eighty arne turned out fine but But jeffrey stay calm throughout. And even though i was a mesh that definitely one of my memories from burn notice. Moving forward been professionally. What are your thoughts on breaking free of having been at ceylon and do you have any concerns about being able to do that. No not really You know. Because i have i have gone and done a couple of other things. And and i think people within the business Really respect battle star And and if they if they're fans of the show they watched the show. They've been seen that. That silence aren't just Called robotic creatures like you know like maybe a terminator. You know they're not. It's not your typical robot. It's much more laid runner in the rutland ends and things like that so there are a lot more. They have more motion and they're a lot more human than than i think. Ot harder if if you were Find much more of a robotic creature now than people might think that you might not be able to kind of do other type of roles I'm really not worried about it. All right hi internals insurance. I haven't heard that you did You have the opportunity to play either on that Independent from white rush. You did a few more motion pictures. I just really wanna know how you feel about working in film and opposed to working in television And if that's maybe a medium that you're hoping to kind of record into certainly. I mean i think i think it is day and age film and tv. Is you know before i was in it. It was you rather film where you re. Tv and now. The the lines are so crossed. That you know. I certainly hope to do more film. it's hard on a on a television schedule to fit that much. Especially when you're starting out because you have to audition for things and and It's actually fit into that hiatus. It is very difficult but It's certainly i'm looking forward to doing and you know i'm audition force. I'm going to have got a couple in the pipeline that her possibilities and If financing comes together in this in this market economy which is a a challenge or independent film. Right now So hopefully in this market the independent film still keep going and and And hopefully atlanta couple of them and that is tricia helfer press conference till next time. How about names. Aaron douglas. I'm battle star galactica. You're listening to sifi talk.

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An Interview with Weston McKennie; Dr. Celine Gounder on Coronavirus Latest

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An Interview with Weston McKennie; Dr. Celine Gounder on Coronavirus Latest

"Their grant wall. Welcome to the planet football. Podcast we're continuing to do to podcast the week and we're going to start each episode with the latest on Corona Virus News and questions with my wife Dr Celine Gown under. Who's a medical analyst for CNN and the Co host of the PODCAST EPIDEMIC? Which you should check out. Then we'll have an interview with someone interesting from the soccer world. Today's interview guest is Weston. Mckennie of the US men's national team and Schulkin in Germany a quick reminder. If you like the podcast it would really help us out if you go to apple podcast and provide a rating and review. And we'd appreciate you recommending the podcast. Is someone you know onward. Hey there we're recording this Monday morning and I'm here on day. Thirteen of home locked down in New York with my wife. Dr Salim Ghandour. She's an infectious disease specialist. Who's a CNN medical analyst and the Co host of the podcast epidemic which you should definitely check out with Ron Clain? Thanks for joining me. Chur New York is now one of the world's epicenters of the corona virus around five percent of the world's known cases are in New York. You work part time at your hospital here and you weren't set go back on service until May but on Sunday you went in and spent a thirteen hour day in the hospital. Why did you do that? Well as you say. I wasn't scheduled to be back on service until May and so for people who don't work in the healthcare setting Usually people who work in the hospital especially doctors don't do continuous work. We do stretches of time and then mix it up often with other things that we might do so I was on service in early February. At which time we had what we call persons under investigation. Or P you is so people we thought might have corona virus but as it turns out did not but we didn't have any confirmed cases yet and then. I wasn't scheduled to be back in the hospital until May but as I saw the number of cases increasing Staff already getting overwhelmed I'm right here where I could be helping I felt like I had to pitch in so I'll be. I'll be doing some of that between now and May when I'm really scheduled to be back on. What did you see in the hospital? Well I covered some thirty patients On Sunday They aged in range from their late twenties to their late seventies but the median age was forty eight so basically our age younger than I would expect right. This is definitely not just a disease of the elderly Some two-thirds of the patients were men and many were obese which is of concern because we do have very high rates of obesity in the US. More so than many other countries Like China for example and that bodes poorly for what this could mean for many Americans who are going to be infected dude. Your Hospital have enough personal protective equipment for healthcare workers. So we've almost completely run out of an ninety five respirator masks. Which are really what would be the appropriate standard in a situation like this We're also running out of surgical masks and face shields. We're running out of gowns So we're really operating with very real scarcity and having to make difficult decisions about how do you stretch what resources you have to last and at the same time figuring out how to do this while protecting yourself but making people feel like they're safe and that the that everyone will have the equipment that they need when they need it? So what kind of protective equipment did you wear yesterday right so as you know For years now I just wear scrubs in the hospital along with my white coat. I think that that is really perhaps something that will change. After all of this I think the idea of wearing suit and tie or your fancy heels in the hospital doesn't make a lot of sense from an infection control perspective cleanliness perspective and really just getting the job done you know. Taking care of patients is not a just sitting behind a computer at a desk kind of job. There's a really down and dirty aspect to it and I think you need to dress. Accordingly so I was wearing that usual kind of stuff. And then on top of that a disposable gown gloves a hairnet to keep aerosol droplets from getting into my hair and then A Face Shield and a surgical mask which you know is less than ideal and then the face. Shield is really to prevent aerosol droplets from landing in your eyes and your nose your mouth your face and that's basically what we're working with right now so you have me. Yesterday I went out for the first time in a week to go to the grocery store on stock up for the week and wearing a mask and just what I was doing having that mask on for a short time almost out of breath and I'm in good shape like you had a mask on for thirteen hours yesterday. How taxing is that to try and do your job in focus while you are dealing with that right right so to distinguish between the two with a ninety five respirator mask versus a surgical mask. The Ninety Five Massar are not easy to break through. I mean it's really a thick piece of equipment. It's sort of like if you were trying to snorkel for an entire day breathing through a straw for an entire day That that's not easy and then breathing through a surgical mask. Well those are loose-fitting. They're not they're very thin It's a lot easier to break through but they're not nearly as protective if listeners. Out there have their own stash of and ninety five masks. Can they send them somewhere with the health? Were healthcare workers can use them. Well if you do have a stash what I would suggest is if you know a healthcare worker there somebody in your life. Who's a nurse or a doctor or really any any body in the in the health field reach out to them and ask them how they can make a donation Unfortunately there's not a centralized website that coordinates donations to healthcare facilities But you could also call your local hospital and say Hey. I have some of these. How can I? How can I donate them? And it might just be leaving them at the doorstep outside the emergency room for somebody to come out and pick up but I think that kind of donation really is life saving in this in this moment so it. If anybody can do that they should so when you came home last night. I just wanted to make sure you had a good meal. Glass of wine You're under a ton of stress. You're not sleeping a lot. Obviously I'm really proud of you and thank you for what you're doing You know one thing you told me last night was that basically. The entire hospital is now devoted to the buyers where you're working What are you expecting to see if you go back to work at the hospital next weekend? So I mean I think it's going to be. I think by next weekend we're going to have a few more healthcare providers who will have had to call out sick so we're going to be stretched thinner I think we are going to see more cases because we're still in the exponential phase of this which means that the curve is is still spiking up cases are still increasing And so I think we're GONNA have a lot of patients and I think I hope not but I think by next weekend we may be having to make very difficult decisions about who do we transfer to the ICU to be on on a ventilator and who we don't and it's it's sort of like what's happening out in the Seattle area in Washington state right now of Really having to ration those resources for people who we think are most likely to survive this which generally means people who are younger and healthier at baseline and having to triage make decisions about who lives and who dies. That's obviously a huge thing and that's something that Italy and Spain are going through right now. Your doctors don't really like having to make those decisions honestly We we like to push on ahead and do everything we can for pretty much everybody unless they have indicated you know that that's not what they want and so this is just not our normal mindset of having to make those kinds of decisions so you went on Dan Laboratories Radio show a couple of days ago and you gave an interview that was sobering for a lot of people at one point. You choked up when he asked you about what you have hoped for and you talked about your doctor. Friends posting about going into the hospital without enough protective equipment. Like soldiers being sent to war without ammunition. Some of the usual idiots on social media made you sound like you were hysterical and honestly I I wanted to grab them by the shoulders and say no man. You don't get it. This is the toughest person I've ever known. You volunteered with no pay and flew into an Ebola zone for two months in early twenty fifteen. I think I've seen you breakdown. Maybe four times in our twenty five years together in that radio show was one of them. You've gone on several sports. Radio shows Like lebatardshow like Jim Rome like. Wfan here in New York has been good for you to try to reach that audience. Yeah I mean I I don't I don't think it's very useful just to preach to the choir I think you need to try to reach out to people. You might not normally run into in your day-today life who are outside of your usual circle of friends and coworkers who have just a different perspective and worldview and. I think that's how we grow as people. It's not just me reaching them but also hearing from them a lot of our listeners. On this podcast are not in virus hotspots yet. I like we had here in New York. What would you say to them right now? Well you have you ever a moments You you have an opportunity here Don't squander that time make use of it to prepare where we clearly did. Not What would that mold think? Really taking the social distancing measures seriously before the virus hits because once it hits You know the horses out of the Barn. I know that's Cliche but really it is. And so what you WanNa do is implement these things before. The virus arrives And so I think there are a lot of communities who still have that window open to them. Just wrap up here right now in the US. We've got a president who indicating that he made. Sire want there to be less social distancing That he may even be following this herd immunity strategy that would actually involve much of the work going back to work And isolating just older people and susceptible groups and I'm wondering what you think about that and what you're looking for in the next week here in the US Well the UK was entertaining a similar approach and then once they did some calculations and projections realized how disastrous that would in fact be. I think the only way you could do that is to say we're just GONNA shut down our hospitals and clinics for the next year or two. And if you get sick you get sick and if you die you die. And that's really the reality of that but you know if if that's GonNa be the approach then I think the healthcare system just needs to shut down and and let it play out and I really think that would be a catastrophe but I don't see any other way to have that happen. Is it your opinion as an expert that that herd immunity strategy would likely result in millions of deaths in the United States? Yes millions of people would die on that note. Thank you again for everything you're doing. Thanks for coming on this podcast. Sling Ghandour is an infectious disease. Doctor she host the epidemic podcast. Where can we find that if you go to epidemic dot? Fm You can find links to the podcast on Apple Google as as well as spotify but you can find it pretty much on any You're wherever you listen to podcasts. 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Back by going to Thera- gun dot com slash cadence for a limited time listeners. This podcast get a free charging stand with purchase a seventy nine dollar value. That's thera- gun dot com slash cadence. Thera gun dot com slash cadence. Big thanks to Dr. Selene bounder next up. Is My interview with Weston mckennie. Our guest today is Weston. Mckennie the American player who plays shock in Germany West. How are you? I'm good? I'm good and yourself do que All things considered with all the stuff that's happening in the world right now. How are you holding up Well Luckily I'm. I'm not the only American right now. on my team got nick category at your with me so We're practically corentin ourselves. Together we shout that has delivered bytes dust that we have workout so he ended up having his bike brought to my place so we workout together run together. Got Two dogs live out in the country practically here in Germany. So it's a it's been okay. A lot of video games as well But other than that just trying to stay a stay isolated as much as possible and not gone out in public in interacting with a lot of people as much as I normally like to do that but I gotta put it on pause right now. Yeah totally understand Before I forget. Let's talk a little bit about what you announced here on Saturday. Recording this You announced Christian Pulisic and Tyler Adams. What are you guys doing? Yeah so I mean we put our heads together and and we want to help out with the current situation even though we are over here in Europe We definitely pay attention to how this current viruses affecting America so we. We partnered up in teamed up with feeding America and decided to donate a together in in in terms of helping people get food that they need a because you know food has been a struggle as well in hunger has been a struggle in America for a long time a long period of time. Now in Kerr virus in the effects it has on people. Losing their jobs and people not being able to go out in public I think the donation that we have towards them can definitely benefit with the helping getting people food that they need. So where can people go? Where fee feeding America has a bunch of food banks and soup kitchens and all that all around the around America so It's pretty pretty easy access affiliate and as far as you know donating wise You know we we posted on our instagram. My social media's they could click the links in our in our BIOS for the people that are willing to help because on situations like these things you know. That's one thing that makes America Such powerful country because we come together at times like this and then. That's what makes a big big crisis that we've suffered in the past nine eleven and things like that. We've all come together and overcome it somehow. So I think you know right now is another time in the big big effect this Viruses having the time to come together so you know every penny penny hopes and everything that people do Right now to to help the person next them also while isolating themselves as as a beneficial as fellow American. I just want to say thanks for for what you and and those other guys are doing and hope people donate you mentioned your with. Nick tied we right now. Obviously you're in contact with Christian PULISIC and Tyler Adams. How are you communicating with those guys We we barbecue on the weekends so now I guess is later. Selbe over the phone dollars out in Leipzig in Christians in London. So WE HAVE HOUSE PARTY. We have facetime we tax snapshot so we We have online video games. We talked to the microphone with so with definitely keep in contact in many different ways Got It so what are you doing this kind of a basic question but for your own food right now so I think Right now I've not a big cooker myself. I had a person that comes over. And you know it's something that I've been doing. You know 'cause my my biggest thing was my eating habits and so I have a personal comes over and cooks for me and Neil healthy dishes and stuff too that works for my body. The help Minimized my injuries as well So as a right now he's still comes over in this time shock. La's is I think partnering up with with His company to help get food to all the players as well Because like I said we're trying to stay isolated as possible in that also includes trying to avoid shopping centers in China. Void go into the grocery stores. And so it's it's difficult also to to go out you second. Guess yourself you're like. Oh the store or any gas in the car. In things that you never did. Before like put gloves on the pump. Your gas than you know. Go to the store in but your shirt over your nose in walk around. Aden shredded minimize touching everything It's definitely definitely hard in something. I think many of us have never experienced before. Oh yeah that's what I'm doing so far. When was your last training session? I think actually fry Friday before before the Yeah Friday before the Derby play on Saturday and Friday was our last training as a team. I mean I trained individually of course We have our runs. We ever programs that we have to do and our workout so I do that every day. Just to stay fit. 'cause we never know when when the season might start up or if it will start up again so it's kind of a a situation right now. You always has to be prepared. Yeah I in terms of the actual workouts by yourself that they're having you do. What are some of the specifics on on what you're doing in those also like endurance of course is one of them? You know we have to run everyday practically tomorrow. We'll be in Austin Bay So today Iran you know four times. Four minutes of intensive running With ten minute warm up so they try and talk late so we run about thirty five forty five minutes a day and then the workouts we have you know some of the some guys able to take from the training grounds to take home and they also delivered equipment that we needed so for me. I I had most of the equipment here just needed a bike cycling bites a stationary bike to to have at home that I can use as well so they will ever thought and yet they send the programs out. Of course I'd be my own thing practically in with my upper body strengthening my legs my core so just as one of those things now you can have to get creative a bit so it's a pretty interesting. Yeah I mean it really is. I mean my wife ordered US rowing machine ten days ago. So we've got that set up in our New York City apartment here. I'm just trying to stay fit. I'm not a pro athlete. And that's why it's it's gotta be crazy. Are you doing these workouts like in a park or near your house or in my garage? I have like a power rack in in my garage of can do bench press squats. Who LOVES DIBS I've kettlebells lehrer on my living room. I have my my Yoga Mattsson in my dumbbells might treadmills and bikes and stuff in my living room. So it's a I guess you could say it's a bit crowded right now turning linger practically to my home gym But yeah it's like I said just trying to stay isolated going my backyard as well in have ropes with me. Also that I took from Shaikha so is definitely like I said everyone. I think everyone right now is getting creative to to what they can do in. Everyone's avoiding the gym Which is good Also high risk placing to pass on the virus. So yeah it's just a creative process. Yeah I can imagine it was it. I obviously everyone's health is so much more important than soccer right now but like to have no this very big gain. This big Darby game get cancelled right before you were about to play in it. What was that like to go through? Honestly I think many of us were. I don't want it to come off wrong but were happy that it happened because you know as a player and of such a big game lake the Derby you know to play without fans would be would be almost. I Dunno would be undescribable practically like it's a game. That is one of the biggest in Germany's one of the biggest derby so around the world so to play with other fans would be pretty pretty crazy. I think in many of the guys weren't of course. We are still up to the task. We were one and we're going to go out there and play the game. How HE DID. And maybe it could have benefited us in a way. Because we're playing Dortmund but still I think you know to to not be able to have the fans there to have a ghost game would be would be really really weird so I think many of us were a little bit happy at the same time but happy that it's come to this point where it is right now. Now that makes sense I mean for a while there. It seemed like the leagues around Europe. We're GONNA try and play through with empty stadiums and then it started to become clear that you know. The athletes were being put at risk to have such close interaction with other athletes on the field. I did did that. Enter your mind as well of like even just playing an empty stadium as a health risk for you. Yeah it's it's it's one of the things you have to thank lake. You're playing at an empty stadium but you know the fans are Especially here you've been here yourself. The fans are live soccer. So it's one of those things. Okay you can empty the stadium. But they're still going to be big gatherings around the city. You know to watch the game. It's it's one of the things like it doesn't matter if you closed the stadium or not like people are still going to be in contact with each other and as far as the players. I mean it's one of the things usually Like okay it's empty stadium. You know the risk is really low but then whenever you think deeply say okay well. I don't know where that player has been. I don't know where he's been in contact with and who he's around like if he has it and the the tricky thing about is some players don't even show symptoms of it so it's it's it was a little bit crazy and then. I think that's one of the reasons why we The season's not season but the league has stopped so far because I think it'd be too much of a hassle to you know say we're we're plane behind closed doors in the one player gets it on the Dortmund and been the whole team has to be quarantined. And it's like okay. Well we can't. This team can't play this weekend but these two cans so I think was. It was the smarter decision to to stop the League's right now. Do you know if there are any cases of corona virus at the club. Your club as the right now. No there there. There hasn't been any And hopefully there won't be Like I said we're doing the best. We can sustain isolated from each other. And so. Yeah as right now there. There hasn't been any any cases of the club. Now you mentioned Dortmund Rival club also close in proximity location. Wise to where you live. There's an American Giovanni rain who plays for Dortmund Have you had a chance to to meet him? Or communicate with him recently. yeah actually. We were part of the same agency Wasserman. So we've definitely linked before we actually Richard Motzkin in David. Me Out here a couple of weeks ago and we all sat down. Had dinner before this Holkar on took over kind of You have me not. I'm always I told him in in those. I think as well that if she ever needs a anyone to hang out with her just wants to come over and chill like he's more than welcome obviously right now and the circumstances will are to do such a thing but I I understand where he's at right now 'cause dorman he lives on the facility like in the complex and all the kids practically have gone home there so he's he's practically all alone by himself. Which is kind of a bummer. Yeah he's a teenager too. Yeah so he's in a different life stage exactly. So it's it's definitely I mean. I can imagine art for Him. Right now because. I don't know what I'd be doing now. Nick was here with me so indefinitely. Be Bihar than what it is. Yeah I mean obviously we talked about how soccer in the grand scheme of things. Isn't that big a deal right now? While we're here I want to ask you to sort of about your season. And how you viewed it as shock at chocolate. Yeah we came Shokhin. Generally we came up the gates running We we came out in in. You know I guess shocked people because you wouldn't expect I mean shockers a team that normally should be top top five out for you know anyways so I think it was a shock just from the last season that we had fighting relegation to come out. You know the first half of the season Up there in the Europe I guess you can say your qualifications rankings. So I think it was good. It's been good so far. These past Games have been treated the school. I O N. We're in a difficult phase of amine as much as I don't want to say maybe the current situation that we're in right now could have also been been official as well maybe Depends on how you look at it. you know we take a break in. Ino CLEARER HEADS. Come back in his starts up soon in. Hopefully this. This whole thing is is over. Soon we can get back in and concentrate. Everyone has a clear head and everyone's eager to to play in to get back on the field so I think that could also be a beneficial part of the of the whole situation. Now you try to. I try to always look at the positive things that come out of situations like this right now. So what's the positive that agency out of it? You had a great goal recently It was the first time you've scored in a while in the boonies was good to get back on the scoresheet. Yeah it's actually really funny My my physio mean and him were talking. You know that same day actually while I was getting a massage talk. I think you're gonNA score tails you know. I'm thinking to Myself Avenue scored since I you know I don't know how long ago under eighteen and scored two goals in. They're both in the same week so been pretty but then I also for some reason had a weird ceiling about it feels like al-Qaeda scoring today us new and we and we told each other before the game like okay like will do this celebration if you score insurance or in the during the celebration and uh yeah so might have to have that talk some more before the game You've had a new coach. This season. David Wagner Guy who played for the US men's national team back in the day. What's that been like? What have you learned about? It's been really good. Obviously I've had the the the I guess. Lucky nece when it comes to coaches a connection with him as well Like I had a good connection with a Dominican Tedesco in the past He's he's one of those coaches he can relate a little bit. More is a little bit different than to desk going away. That didn't play at the professional level in in you know they evacuated now has played in. So He's actually been there done it. He knows like when a when a player he can tell when a player's body is tired. I can tell when you know we might need a break or might need a day off or something like that. And he's he's very easy to talk to as well Many many people. I think that mean him speaking English. But you know we speak in German which Pretty interesting for me as well out of the -ssume that we spoke English but Yeah we we go back and forth in we we. We talk often Whether that's you know I can be better on the field or how can be better off the shield or if I'm doing good or ninety to pick it up that's one of the things I really like about him? He's ease straight into the point about it. He doesn't trench sugar. Coder find back doors to you. Know give you a reason of why you're not doing this away. Not playing or something. He straightened to the point like. Hey you're not performing so you're not playing or a you're doing very well like keep it up so that's definitely a beneficial thing about him. You're supposed to get together with the US. Men's national team later this month for the first fever window in a while. Those Games obviously have been canceled How tough is that To not be able to play with your national team teammates for so long honestly it was it was it was pretty crappy situation because I was thinking to myself like the first camp. We have in Europe in such a long time. I don't have the traveling ten hours it's canceled of no but it's definitely a you know we we all keep in contact as well Over gaming platforms fortnight than than call of duty. So we're all looking forward to seeing each other again many of the guys. We haven't seen since like you said last natural break which has been awhile So it was. It was devastating as well. You know we have two good Games nederlands Wales and really looking forward to it but With the current situation we kinda got a taste the In just look forward to the next thing. So hopefully like I said it'd be amazing. If this thing could clear by summer than you know we could play qualifying in you know hopefully cough I also also for the Olympics in have also in the summer but you know. Take a day by day as of right now in and see what happens. Yeah I mean it's it's looking. They would cancel the Olympic qualifying tournament. And obviously you would have been able to be a part of that but If the US had qualified for the Olympics your age eligible right so lake if if the Olympics happened if they happened later on. Is that something you'd be interested in being a part of low? Yes for sure. Sure sure for sure it's it's it's It's for soccer players as well. I mean like you said my age It would literally be once in a lifetime experience. I'd definitely with a would seize that opportunity and go over there and get to experience. You know the the whole Olympic set up in you know you watch it as a kid and you see the ends of course. I didn't watch sports really. Don't watch sports really. But there's something about tracking shield that that makes it exciting and fun to watch so I've been pretty cool to be there and see that as well. That's a fascinating statement. You don't watch sports. Is that accurate? Yeah it's accurate. I I know people have different ways. They approach things. You know like whenever. I've talked to Tyler Adams. He's like obsessed with watching other soccer games. But that's but not. Everyone looks at it that way. It sounds like no. There's people that record soccer games on the weekend Rewatch them in them. The person that records movies to rewatch himself got two hundred fifty eight movies in my library. So I'm just upset. She now I mean looking toward the end of the year God willing. We're GONNA have soccer again. God willing this virus has been taken care of World Cup qualifying with. They're supposed to be six. World Cup qualifiers Toward the end of twenty twenty in a very relative short period of time. Are you like when you think about that? And that opportunity could that be away for the public the American public to really get a sense that the US men's national team is back. Yeah I think I think yes With the devastating situation that happened in the previous World Cup Obviously I think many Americans in many people are looking forward to seeing how we do in qualifying To See what this. This new group is about You know we couldn't we. Could I guess people people don't really look at the the friendly games that we play and say like okay? This is a team. This is a lot as you know for. Sure they just say Oh. It's just a friendly game. Let's see how it is in qualifying so it's definitely something that could Alp ease the mind I guess of of the US soccer's of orders. And obviously we try and do the best that we can with every game that we every game that we play and sometimes you get lucky but I think if we could you definitely like you said got willingness viruses over. We are a play soccer. Can I think that's something that all of us are really looking forward to seeing some of the players The ones that weren't involved such as myself still have a better taste in our mouth about it so definitely have something to show. What's next? He is Weston mckennie. He is working with Christian Pulisic and Tyler Adams to donate their own money but also asked the rest of you to donate to feeding America. That's at feeding America Dot. Org You can also find the link on their social media channels West. Thanks so much for taking the time to talk and be safe over there. Thank you appreciate in U2 into everyone that's listening Stay isolated in in. Stay home and stay. Stay safe now so thank you. Thanks for listening to the planet football. Podcast I'd like to thank Dr Selene Gander and Weston mckennie as well as producer Harry sport out and everyone at sports illustrated who supports this podcast. Remember if you liked the podcast it would really help us out. 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27: Toby Weston on the importance of fiction

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20:45 min | 2 years ago

27: Toby Weston on the importance of fiction

"Welcome back to Toby the podcast better future. I'm John Biggs today. The show we have Toby Weston. He's as Sifi, author and futurist. This is tech Natasha. The Knicks sixty six you're going to learn how to flatter school can change your life iron school with help shoot. Everything you need to get the job and code data science or designed the loss of prepare you for jobs that don't even exist yet because this is cool designed educate you in the art of change. If you're feeling stuck board or unfulfilled lottery will change things. You'll learn by making things breaking things discovering. How future is being built? The result speak for themselves. Good aflutter in school dot com slash podcast and read about our graduates new career, salary ranges upcoming courses. Explore these citing nuclear you can start building your own career and coding data science or digital design at one flat irons. Local we were campuses. You can take courses online flat iron school dot com slash podcast, read, the reviews sign up for free intro. That's all we ask. Roman is now open this time to future proof yourself and change things. Big things make things better starting with you letter in school dot com slash podcast. Welcome back to Topi podcast about a better future. John Biggs today. Lucia we have Toby west. He's as scifi author. Author singularities children. There's a there's a series of three here. Welcome toby. Hey, thanks, John. Good to be hit. Tell me a little bit about these books. Yes. No working on the fourth book is three books. It's a series takes a group of diverse characters from a by twenty fifty up until about twenty fifty. It's not quite sets on this world. But that's not really a major plot point is just so that I've got a little bit of flexibility bites not always having to future near future predictions on the head. So I could give myself bit of wiggle room that and I think it's it's sort of fa me away of looking while cheese a couple of things. So it's a great story. Certainly my read is like the action and the scifi venture. But it's a way of made looking forward into the future a bit too fleshing out some ideas having characters live through that. And also well building for hopefully, what will be a few. You more books or many books down the road. So let's talk a little bit about your your future philosophy. Obviously, this isn't said on earth. But what's your what's your take? Most scifi writers obviously have to connect. What's happening currently with their writing? Right. So Yes, What's your take on on the future is is it all going to to pot or are we going to be okay? That kind of thing. I think it's in the balance at the moment. I think that's why. One of these. I didn't want to set a book, you know, in some sip. Star Trek future utopia will the problems solved because I don't think it's a folk on conclusion, but I'm in no way, entirely nihilistic and nothing will go down the toilet. So I think it's a fine line. And that's what I've tried to to show. So for me the big question is. I suppose major premise we've always had we've always needed freedom in order for the intellectuals and artists to generates the long term value that society needs. So like scientists publi don't work well with people standing behind them with whips. There were a lot of scientists off to the second bowl that had managed to withstand that for a short amount of time. But I guess the talent relief flowered once they got to the US, and we'll given enough room for that creativity to flour. And as we move into an age where we've got a that can increasingly do the jobs of intellectuals. What then become the sort of the barriers to complete fascist distort, yo where everybody's controlled. And at the same time the technology for control is coming up. And you've got this no longer need the intellectuals potentially. Because we got the we've got the two babysits everybody to make sure that they are living in something much more strangling them anything will well ROY to bites. So that's really that's high body could go, you know, we we might never get out from underneath the blankets of oppression. But at the same time, we got these amazing outages which the coming indistinguishable from magic as Klux. Yeah. That's an interesting point. So as we move forward into I guess the next decade a lot of the things that we do from who fall in love with two. We talk to what we eat are going to start being mediated by these robots. Is that is that a fascist asto Lia or is that just? I mean, if you want to argue that you could argue that the the Old Testament was essentially, a a methodology to design to make sure that you did that you did be didn't kill your neighbor or eat bad food, essentially. So these these guidelines have been with us for for centuries. Does does that sort of thing is that sort of technological? Interjection? Is that bad? Well, I think we've always needed systems too. We've we've more efficient twin will agreeing with about some basic facts and up some basic principles of society. Otherwise, it's just too much backwards and forwards about once taboo, what's not. So this is you know, I do agree that it's good to have a framework. I'm probably one of these things started off with the best intentions in mind. But when people exploit them for their own gain. It's just becomes like another another territory. I say some in some points in the book, it's like another just another country to be colonized, the Daichi is. And so, of course, the Old Testament is good stuff and bad stuff. That's happened because of it. But I think it's I think it's more than that. Because we're getting to the point where the ideology instead of it being written in a book and potentially interpreted by priests but lights up by people reading it directly at the. The corporations will be able to embody the principles in a is. That's if we matching augmented reality where you're spending a lot of time talking to me, and you would be talking knife face to face, and we might not know we were not talking in the flesh in in the flesh so half of the maybe ninety percents of the interactions. You have will be with things that looked like people, but a really puppets of a corporate agenda of an agenda. And I think that's where so compelled by people that I don't think we've got the intellectual immune system to to cope with that. And high Wilson sightsee deal with that. I think we're seeing the start of it now. So I think it's a face change from what we've had before. Interesting. Is the so as a as a fiction author. What's the? There's obviously upside to in fiction, especially to be. But are you are you generally optimistic about this? Or is there going to be or is it or is there a impetus to be dopey on through everything? No, no. I mean. The start is fairly stipend because it starts off to the next crash, which when I started fighting this in about two thousand seven it could have been that crash, but then everything better on. So maybe it's going to be the next crush. But one day they'll be a pretty big crash, and it will be it'll it'll fail. Like, it's the end again as it often does. So it does. And this question the book is is pretty big and it's not the complete right down to civilization. But it's you know, it's there's no food on the shelves for few weeks desert sentiments of bright down. So it does start in quite a. This type in place, if you if you just come to code, you might think that it's it's gonna get worse and worse, but of course, systems rebound, I think it's really important world mistaken, and there's just such amount of crazy technology, and and it enables people to have such powerful ideas, which can be for the grade two good. It's just the framework the moment savings not to support that. And so I want to show some alternative ways of of sort of making progress rarely and so there were there were. Bad design, goodies and. Don't wanna give away the ending so for so your your your background is also you're also I guess a futurist for for corporations. What is needed to make sure that systems rebound? That that systems are robust. It can can we build in that sort of feature set or does it just have to happen by luck or? Human systems just do that. I mean, the the big systems up until Mair have always rebounded. And I think it's mostly to be honest. This is fairly cynical. But I think people are best Sovan publians when they're actually confronted directly with the problem. And when problems are sort of theoretical and academic and more than ridiculously more than two weeks out. Let's say six months. People just don't really think about them, but we've got seven billion people on the planet now and a lot of us, very smart. And when there's a problem staring you in the face tends to solve it. So I think that's a lot of resilience is due to that actually the end of the day think it's really difficult to build in Missouri linzie because some smoked Alec will come along and identify that slack that resilience is a potential to migration, and maybe base their promotion on cutting that slack. And then of course, you get a few years of benefit, but you've you've removed one of the. The flood plain of a river or something that can stop the the big flood from destroying the city, and you don't know until the flood comes. Okay. Yeah. But bit pessimistic. But no, I think ultimately optimistic because we've got this capacity to to solve problems. When confronted with them, but it is difficult to think more than a few years at which is why scifis potent because you can make some of this stuff real at least to the characters in the book. Why is so let's go a little bit more deeply into that. White. Why should we be reading Sifi? It's not just like, I don't know business news because I'm in front has purposes are they're almost a they're almost. Indivisible. Because you're 'cause you go through you go through your Facebook feed, and you'll see some kind of robot that can I know fix a roof in forty five minutes and then two years ago. Maybe somebody added that character to their book, and it was pine the sky back then and it's moving so quickly. Tightly? I mean, it's a really good question. And I find myself reading less. I mean, I love books, and I love Sifi when else many. In not including sudden humans stay with who. I love much, but some. But I find myself reading less all reading less long form stuff. And I am just getting this this fire hose, and I remember my first job. It's nineteen ninety six or seven. I was working in in the Intech in the computer industry and on my lunch break, so it's searched in the tiny little internet that was that was enough to provoke by me for a few lunch breaks in row. But it really felt like eventually you'd read it. You know, you've read the internet. And then you follow trends, and I was interested then in single stage to all bit rockets and updates might come once every eighteen months, and you know, just those just put she nothing happening. And now, it's just crazy. And I think I'm this is just ridiculous statement isn't it, but I'm bored of novelty. The Senate much stuff though. That's yep. And what do you do that? And so it's very difficult with Seifi. I think that ultimately people like a good rip roaring story. And I I know I do and so that's what I try invite. But also I like to be intellectually stimulated. So try Troy layer that in there. And I guess I want to take a one with my books of the moment to go far enough into the future. But it can it will be hammed way. VN not quite as restrictive, but I also didn't want to just jump over that gap. So I don't I to answer your question. It's a very difficult time to be writing. I think because I don't see such a lot of the really epic fantastic stuff coming out it's anymore. I know most it's in in inverse to the amount of factual stuff as you said. So maybe this maybe people are just reading that. Instead. And that's why know is buying. So I fought. Yeah. I guess the how has it been? I think how how's it been a trying to sell a Sifi book in a era of sci-fi? Well, it's I I'm self published. So I'm sort of doing a lot of the marketing myself, and it's it's way it, you know, went before you publish a book got really no idea of of high books sell. But once you start seeing sales ago, you stuck googling around, and you realize that you know, books really virtually nobody's making any money with books. And so then you sort of readjust what your expectations are because you know, it's primarily for money for me that I'm doing it. And then having a few engaged readers who liked to chatterbox things in who gives you feedback in who. Among Facebook and Twitter and things like that in the old sort of conversation. Actually, that's that is great. And so I'm I'm failing the everything's going very, well, but that's off three years becoming precinct jaded with the whole thing. And so my expectations of probably lowered. But then again, you know, only got a few books that so I failed if things keep going like they are. And I keep fighting books than things are going to be good. So I'm relatively happy. His there any is there any reason outside of the outset of creating sort of a self? I guess a self-perpetuating group of friends for yourself. Is there any reason to read and write books? Do you think they're gonna be a effective in the future? So I don't I genuinely don't know. Whether people are going to be reading words, but. The book is a is the most. Sort of direct brain to brain interface. We've got a moment because you're allowing the reader to faces tool of the carrots, and you're not limited by budget. You know, you can just write whatever you can imagine in whatever that Brian can accept. So I think that. I'm writing stories in book form, but I could imagine. You know? So another thing I see often is the way I'm as in behaves with with books with other things is is really tough on content creators, but at the same time, you know, almost everything is in a good any fame has been made into a film in a video game in a series, and and really gonna run out soon because we're going back when it's not been written at the pace that has been turned into other forms of media. So this is another thing I used to myself up, you know, at some point in the future. Maybe they live really goes to the barrel. Look. So you're hoping that you're hoping for the for the worst case scenario, right? No. I mean, I just think that the stories, and again, I try and white good stories that people like rather than just pumping out lots of books because I think that yet as the long term. Game plan that I'm most interested in. All right perfect. What does the world look like in twenty years? I think you're in Switzerland. Maybe it looks like Switzerland. Honestly, sometimes when I'm walking in the city, you will in the country. So I'd hear a new to see like lake on on both sides of it, does some nice very clean pleasant times. And then it picks up to a Madison, then it goes down. Again, you've got town in lake in the town amounted. It just feels like the interior of sums of space hepatitis let this this is good as it gets United Site. I hope the world looks like Switzerland in twenty years time. I mean, if you ask in about the world we live in. I think it's probably in twenty twentieth. Time gonna be not significantly better. Maybe have turned to corner, and it will start to get better. But we've got such a lot of inertia making it worse. Moment. But I think that. Longer term does the potential for it to just become totally idyllic. That's yet years is a difficult time. We've got to find out what would do involving we've got to start influencing fixes, and those are probably going to be bandaids in the short term, which may be not. So pretty. Yes. Well, the SaaS me about fifty fifty years, it's going to be a it's gonna be it's gonna look like like, Switzerland. We're gonna be inside a tube just sailing around with mountains. And and some of us actually will be chewed. Late to end is. All right. Toby weston. So it said Toby Weston dot net where your books are folks. Get grad cingular's children there's three books out. And you've got a next when's the next one coming up? Aiming for next year. But, but yeah, maybe maybe it's lips bet, and I have to release a novella to fill the gap. So let's see. All right. Thanks for joining us on this pretty cool. That was great. Thanks very much. Joining did you say. Technophobia is brought to you by happy fun core. Happy fun, corpus designed driven technology company. In Brooklyn, New York. 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Love Island US FINALE Recap

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1:13:16 hr | 1 year ago

Love Island US FINALE Recap

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I'm a little sad love. Island is over but excited to dive into the last week that we we have knowing that we have season two coming up next year and rumors of a possible winter season in the u._k. As the u. k. winter on like that's just just outside of enough like how many hours in a day for us to be watching island <hes> i mean we're still going to watch it so let's not pretend yeah you're right depends depends on how it coincides with other winter shows like i mean. I don't know i as well earlier this week. I spoke with yemen and winston in and i thought i had some really fun conversations to make sure you check all of that out and i also just got off the phone with our winners of love island u._s._a. Season no one zack and elizabeth. You should expect that interview shortly as well. I obviously listen to the winston and yemen interviews. I thought they were great. Lots of interesting stuff that. I'm sure we'll come up over the course of this podcast but even if we do discuss them a little bit. I'm sure go back. Give them listen. Definitely worth your try perfect okay so we will jump into the week. We don't have to really go over the state of everything because we just had our final four cup. Oh i guess we had our final five couples at the start of the week say anyways so we had cure n. jared emily and weston dylan and alexandra zach and elizabeth and carol andrey at the start of this week and even though it's only been three episodes. It feels like it's been so long because i forgot that care out was on the show this tweet. I'm impressed that you remember jared's name to be honest. We had it written down so that's how we uh-huh definitely a little bit of a cheap. I mean kate. When there's this many hours of television a week. You need a cheat sheet and anybody who says otherwise is a liar so yes and the considering jared spoke maybe five words on his time on love island ten. Most of those were just like awkward moments that you're like oh right. He's there who is he exactly. Those five words were him jumping in defending western where he didn't belong absolutely so. I can't can't believe i forgot about kira because the start of the week was the continuation of the west and kira drama it continued for all of like point three were you seconds and then we got a small resolution e-eh so basically wasn't talked to emily after his conversation with kierra that he was never able to pursue anything with kierra unless he had spoken with his boy casual <hes> okay that was news to emily as well as tim myself yeah. My favorite part is emily again immediately. Shut that down like wait so you. He wasn't here when you brought it up to her. So why are you now pretending that that you're never going to explore it and he's like no no no no no no you don't understand but she decides to let it go there. In the last couple of days like there's no reason season in dragging it out necessarily like if you decide you want to be done with it like have fun for the last couple of days at the villa. You don't necessarily need to be as close as they end up getting but obviously asleep. She decided she's over it. She's going to let go and that's that yeah and so when i'm taking notes this week i was looking at shoutout t._v. Guide for their daily recaps of love island island and they said that she got angry expressed it by making lessons spoon her and i. I don't remember that happening. Do you remember that no. I definitely definitely don't remember that i mean i guess they have different preferences sleeping. I guess emily's spooner whereas western might like his room but ah the punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime here we are okay. I was like am i crazy. I don't remember seeing this. Maybe they just put it in there to make sure that nobody plagiarize islam islam- emily also speak all the women saying she feels like everything's settled generally know why she feels the need to keep asking questions. Yeah i think thing that's probably heard basically acknowledging like we're right at the end like we're going to be on the outside leader and she. It's not worth like proudly prodding at this when it's not ultimately the biggest deal in her is apparently definitely so then. We got our first game of the week. It's called couple of races for the first game. <hes> the couples are handcuffed together and they have to build a shoe rack without using their middle arms. <hes> kira and jared easily won that one. I think that's the most screen time jared dot it almost the entire time he was on island. Oh yeah team friendship pulled through. They were like this is to determine how well to you work together as couples and for every couple to get beaten by the completely non-romantic pair was definitely funny. Absolutely i wasn't an emmy had a lot of trouble with this. One yeah not even just trouble putting together but it's just like she's account. Can i help. Can i help no can i sit back and then as soon as he was like oh well some other. People didn't seem they do as well. They probably work together and try to sit here and point fingers. It's like wait what year the one pointing fingers but okay and western tried to do it one handed with a hand literally tied behind his back and realized about three quarters of the way through that that might not be the best idea. I think go to preferred if they had done. The kea challenged the levion u._k. Does wear like the one side of the couples to put together. The furniture and the other half has has a phone and the instructions. I think that would have been maybe more fun yeah. I definitely think that is a more fun version however i didn't really have any issues with i like we've talked about ones in the past where i said like. I wish they kept the original like if they want to do this. This one's fine for me. I'm not upset about it yeah and it was done so fast and then they moved moved on to the second challenge which is the women having to eissa cake with instructions from their partner while they are blindfolded and standing behind their partners back and i truly have no memories from this portion of the challenge. This is something that they've also done the u._k. So it's kind of like they combine two challenges into wine line and just like tested made it a couples races game. <hes> notably only thing that i remember is taking the icing and i'm just smearing it all over ray and she's very enthusiastic about it. I'll say she's very happy with her decision to of done that while she's i bind him. I think i blocked that on purpose. I don't want an alex. One wish make them the king and queen of blindfold games after the last one as well and i don't oh care how wrong that sounds. I don't know how winning one of two events it makes you the king and queen but apparently that is the case he won. Both blindfold challenges is over the course of the season. Oh there we go see. I was looking at the couple races you definitely you know with that callback. I'm playing forty chasse us over here. Cheats over the past couple of weeks. We literally have the exact same teach right sure so then arielle comes into reveal the america's vote on who is going to be the last couple leaving before the finals finals and so she reveals the safe couples are caroline ray zach and elizabeth dylan alexandra and emily ann westin meaning in cara and jared are leaving the villa. I'm really sad to be losing my girl kierra but we're in the last asked a couple of days. I really did not think they had any shot of winning. Considering one half of the couple had not been on the show at all so i understood it like i said i'm moving my votes to carrow and ray because i just didn't think cure ultimately had any chance and there really wasn't much of a storyline left for for them at this stage in the show yes but we do get a little bit more of the kiara cashel energy because kira immediately says that the first thing she wants wants to do is call cashel and see if there's anything there but then arielle of all people gets a text and it is for kira an it's casual video response to what cara had last week about being in love with him and he feels the same way when he's watching her on tv he finds himself wounding and and did you had you seen this video beforehand. Okay i had not seen the video but i had seen just a tweet saying oh look look who showing back up to the villa and i will be honest as much as i you know. I love kirin cashel. I was rooting for them on the outside. I am happy that he came back but at the same time. I don't love the precedent this sends. I don't really want this to be happening happening sporadically throughout season to all of the sudden. I don't think we have to be worried about that but the video that was texted to arielle was actually fraum <hes> <hes> hassles instagram takeover of the love island instagram on friday night. I did hear there was a video out there. Unfortunately i had missed it so i knock knock on to see it. Luckily the show decided that they would call casual in just so i could see what i had missed on instagram perfect someone had sent it to me monday sunday afternoon being liquid co q. says and then he went back to ireland and that was the video showed so very very cute and all the other islanders also think it's super adorable underwritten just kind of their this is my favorite jared staring at the camera looking around like should i leave or what am i supposed to be doing here yeah so she rushes to pack her bags says that she loves the boy's help always don't they felt the same way way island. She is going to give him a call so when she leaves avila she immediately calls him you there no am here cut out for a second but i wasn't sure if you were going to finish up what happened so she says she's gonna give them a call and then you of course for c. castles sneaking up behind her and all the sudden it's while how 'bout we hang out right now and boom surprise casual flew back to fiji you. You know twice in one week around the world seems like a tall order but they got it to happen and they're going to hang out in fiji. I guess that's insane. That's a fifteen hour flight each way yeah times a week with love island u._k. Not even doing this really and there are only a couple of hours away at the most so this was like a tall order to really fly him out there but i mean i'm happy for them again and i don't need to see it moving forward again yeah i i also and it's just like i don't like seeing people. That jet lagged like it just makes me sad so bag. Villa dylan gad's a text telling them they are all finalists and that they will all go on their final dates so before four the dates we do get to see the couple's talking a little bit western says he has found what he wanted and he has a very pen trustee quote of grass grows wherever you water it which is weird because i feel like if weston was saying grass grows wherever you water it he could have just been putting more effort for into a few relationships that he had but he decided you know what this is the plot than i want to water and stuck with emily for the rest of the season you the rest of the season for a week three days ago crying and she's scared to leave because her enra- they found each other later on and she's scared of how the outside world will affect them race so so so sweet with her yeah. This is hard because as we've discussed take care rosen l._a. I think raising new jersey so it is long distance like to live in the same country like that is really almost as far as you're going to get so. I am <hes> nervous for them. I'm hoping you know race seems really into this. Carol obviously seems really into this. I'm hoping they can make it work. I really hope so to some some. We got our first two of the final dates. At first we get dylan alexandra. They got a helicopter ride and they go to a private island island <hes> yes. This was the first one they say like oh our final date and then all of the sudden. It seems names that what are you know dylan alex final week very very into each other. You know we always have been we haven't set it already but i <hes> i don't know how to ask. I guess where boyfriend and girlfriend yeah and alex is like. I have a boyfriend pretty yeah and again. I love alex. One thing did come up in your interview with <hes> winston is that he may be doesn't know that all of the couples were one one hundred percent genuine on both sides my loose interpretation in listening. Was that likely speculated. I don't know if dylan is as into alex. Maybe is as of recently but i wasn't one hundred percent sure like when they said oh we've always been boyfriend and girlfriend has have you been or or is it just now that you're like oh. Maybe i should done this before. I specifically remember some drama where you guys did not define the relationship. I'm now. I can't yeah i mean we specifically had like a number of scenes where it was like all of the women telling alex you really should talk to him if you feel this way and then and she's like oh like all the other women are telling us to you know d._t. Are defined the relationship like i don't care and he's a <hes> we we just shouldn't do that so oh. I don't know it was acute date but again. I still have my reservations about this couple on the outside yeah but i mean great talk and elizabeth go on their date. They are on a yacht. They look absolutely beautiful like they were born to be on a yacht to be honest honest and zach says as soon as he saw the girls he knew that he would pick her even if she did not step forward which he did say to me on my they call with them just a little bit ago side. I do think i believe it c- yeah i was gonna say how dare the editors us one direction against me and they play little things in the background and i'm starting to lake sack and elizabeth not that i didn't like zach elizabeth before but as a season's going on the reason why i will always gravitate towards a cure and casual or a rain caro is because they're more exciting. They're going to keep the rest of the episodes exciting and then once we're down to the end and you tell me that the couple has just been kind of nice and likable is going to win well. I only have you for two more episodes so i'm not going to be that upset set about it. Well and i know that i overstated things when i said i could stand back and elizabeth few weeks ago but i do like them. I have done for a long time so yes. I'm not going to be standing. I'm not going to necessarily be following the relationship in the future but i the date was cute. They really you know. I think people have you. You know i always theorize about it. I do think that they pull out kind of the big dates for the couple's put them in and out of the end of the episode spot where voting is and we get zack and elizabeth with aboard this giant yard. I definitely think it's setting them up for that. Win a little bit. I definitely and so on this day. They say that they are in love with each other. Success at first and elizabeth says oh my god i love you too and then she tells him that in her family they squeeze hands three times to signify that they love ever respect the other person and that she's been doing it to him for a while but he just didn't know what she was doing which is like half cute but half kinda creepy be. I think it's cute especially i don't. We don't know how long she's been doing it. She's been doing it since day one. That's kind of a lot but i it's day one no not at all but i think that it's you know it's a cute thing that she can now. Look back on and whatever funny little story now a fine. They're just they are so so stinking can't yeah and i think that probably both of us have like a aversion to rooting for what may seem like the inevitable. I'm sure other people do to some people don't have that but when something seems seems like it is going to happen no matter what and there's really no option for a different outcome. I'll also resist that and so again once we're in the final few days is starting to come around more on them as a couple where i've always liked elizabeth of a little bit more like sack so i'm not upset so that ends the monday episode and tuesday starts right away with kiro and raise date and there are excited to you got some time away from the villa and they go to jessica romantic dinner date. Yeah this was so. I love their like it's pitch black when they're talking to you westerners. Emily and it's like okay it's time for your date and then they show them walk out and they showed up perfect sunset. It's like wait. It's pitch black at dinner and before they left so i was just like funny be rolled that like editing made no sense but again we know this is my favorite couple and it's yours too. I like seeing them like be goofy together outside of the village <hes> again like nervous about like the outside world but a ray is really good at comforting her once again yeah they're just they're so cute and so on the actual date right asks carol if she wants to be his girlfriend obviously. She says yes kiro so excited. I joke her. Voice goes up like thirteen octaves but it's endearing. I'm enjoying like seeing her like genuine reaction just about how like when she was in the villa at first it was really losing hope that anything would happen for her and to be honest i was really nervous for her and a bunch of those eliminations that we were gonna lose her because she was one of the bigger personalities and then ray comes in and she says it who just has gone great ever since they've been hanging out yeah i i just find them so cute because they do have that like very clearly genuine bond but then they are. Maybe a little bit more of personalities than some some of the other couples. I get really close really fast. I wonder what it would have been like if ray had been there from the start yeah. I don't know how it would have played out out differently. I wonder because i just feel like you do change the whole butterfly effect. You change one thing and like everything's different like a would have necessarily connected right away a they were totally different. People in the villawood carro still have been you know she was talking to cash all talking to michael so i think it great it went the way it went and i just wish they could have pulled a few more votes at the end. That's all yeah just a few more votes. We also get west an emily's day. They have a romantic think pool size day. There's cheese and wine and three men singing with guitars. Yes so funny. My favorite part of this is like okay. They zoom into the couple apple. They're having a romantic conversation about like oh and then this happened and then our emotions at an zoom back out and the guys started playing guitar guys like oh they were there for that conversation station like there's always cameramen around but like three random and had to like sit there like in the heat like listening to them profess their love to each other after four days. I wonder if those men are used to oh just like sitting and waiting in those kinds of moments don't think that's usual gig but maybe they're used to the heat at least yeah and so they talk about this being like their first date couple dopp but it's also their last date is kind of a weird dynamic and we hear for the first time that emily said she was trying to be near him the whole time when she entered during the blindfold challenge that's news because i feel like she was near eric. Quite a bit would ah from what we saw on screen. I thought it was funny because they're like oh. It's our first couple up our last date probably ever i really. I don't see this one lasting. I think that i've come around then never mind but i didn't. I really liked like emily would definitely went on with personality's coming out of the season especially out of the late arrivals. This was cute date but i definitely feel like it was like array we spent so much money on the helicopter and the like we got the budget and guitar players going on now and what was really weird to me was just the idea of up there now like so like happy and lovey dovey when it's been nothing but complex the entire time especially the last couple of days and even like they come back to the villa and westerns like oh yeah it was a date but really felt like a wedding like again western calm down. You said you hate going fast and now this is four days later. You're trying signed to marry emily less than settle down. No don't settle down no marriage. Oh yeah you know i mean settled down in another way but it's fine <hes> so that evening we the footage that everyone has been waiting for. We see that western and emily and vachon elisabeth consummate their relationship. Ooh i mean if they haven't already seon screen fair fair fair. Yeah i think we get sound clips from zach being like yeah meet elizabeth having expressed our love for each other so that's about as you know raunchy as you were to get on c._b._s. At eight o'clock hey pretty raunchy. Emily says that the culling was a little more or romantic than normal. Just a little bit yeah. Romance is not necessarily. I would've called it but you know to each their own. I mean it could be. I actually i thought it was like so adorable when like elizabeth and zach like throw the blanket off than they look over at the west end or which is right there and they just start laughing. That's always the funniest like when we had rob on at the beginning and he was nervous. Like why would you ever put all these couples in one room together. Nothing's going to happen. It's like no. This is what's going to happen like don't worry it just takes a little bit of time robert impatient or love island yeah and we didn't have the reason why why we get it. A lot faster on big brother would assume is because there's a week without feeds where everything is developing and sometimes it happens on louis without feeds while i mean okay okay so the next morning at the couple's wake up to a tax that their families are coming and it kind of adds a a new level of nerves to everybody. Yeah people are running around all nervous for the you know to meet the in laws especially elizabeth who who apparently has no reason to be concerned and carro who might have a little bit of reasons to be concerned coming up so first zaken elizabeth's relatives has come enso's zack's and mom and sister elizabeth mom and sister in law here comes susan the one they named the baby after susan senior but i don't think that was crying as much as i expected from elizabeth subscription so that was good so get over here that was one of my favorite and that was like a very endearing tearing moment for zach like i like when he's comfortable and they're clearly joking around like that report that like him and elizabeth close enough so oh it was cute do yeah it was super cute and it seems like both sets of relatives are really all about the relationship and it turns out. They have a ton in common including that their parents have the same wedding anniversary yeah. This is wild and especially 'cause. I mean not that i think your parents wedding anniversary serie is going to be a topic of conversation with the person that you're trying to cuddle romantically with on love island but this visted come up at all and so it's funny that they're learning it for the same time to guy was. It was quite cute. Anzacs mom makes a comment of yeah. I met zack's dad and in three months we were married. Elizabeth warren will exact but not that much slowdown that it would mean what a month and a half from now they'd be planning their wedding. Honestly i wouldn't even be surprised a giving you know six months before for the engagement comes out okay well. That's what you think <hes>. We'll tell you the best then we get west and then emily and so my dad and sister in emily's best friend comes in weston's. Dad's says emily t._v. Does not do her justice. She's even more beautiful in person which i feel like it's not a nice thing to say to someone. No don't do the same thing. Dillon would say to alex like oh. Oh you look better without your makeup. Which like i get is a compliment but like also you should be like wow you look great regardless of whether you're wearing makeup or not so this is is kind of a similar thing so yeah you know west. Instead is a character <hes> we even though we got to see him for two minutes he is western in the future sure okay that i do not doubt one hundred percent cosign by that emily's friend points out that she has been watching western go through a lot of girls else and also that west is not normally emily's type yeah. I was surprised that weston did not try to couple up with emily's friend. As soon as she walked in the villa mm-hmm i honestly and part of this also i'll say is i'm sure that some people will be like oh like why were their best friends. Instead of parents france or why was there a sibling but i mean especially for emily she was talking about how she was watching western on the show and then all my god she finds out she's cast like these people are taking fifteen hour flight with probably a few days notice so whoever they can get is coming out at this point yeah exactly and you know you say you're surprised that he didn't try to coupled but then leaves friend but you don't know what wasn't shown that is true. I don't think they're gonna show that drama in the last few days really cannot make one of their. You know elite final four couples in such a negative at it exactly. Emily says that she she can't judge was them for the things he did before she came into the picture but that since she's been and there he's been great which like there's a lot of drama since emily came into the picture but okay yeah i mean like i said i have always maintained that people should be exploring their options and as long as they're like open and honest about it like there should be no problem if he wants to talk to emily and talk secure like that's fine but like at one point he's like oh. The physical attraction like immediately is like it's night and day from where it was with kelsey and it's like well that's seemed to be the case with kelsey was there so it doesn't seem as straightforward with west and all the same exactly exactly dylan alexander's family members come in there and we have dylan's parents and alexandra's mom and best friend and let me tell you alexandra mom does not look old enough to alexandra mom i mean i think you're probably forgetting that a lot of people on the show or like twenty one and twenty years old no. I definitely agree with that. I am not disagreeing but do remind myself that. Some of these people are twenty. Two is truly horrifying. I i hate that. You brought this up to me. <hes> it's just honestly really rude. We don't need to talk about it anymore. It's okay fine so it seems like everybody approves of everybody on alexandra against the advice like don like you can. You can like be more demonstrative. You can show that you like him back. I mean again. Maybe another sign that they don't like each other quite as much as they're letting on but it was funny. Alex's family says as soon as we saw in a preview. We knew this was happening. I mean i remember back when mallory was also into dylan but took a step back do kind of wonder how things would have turned out had maller expressed rested interest quite so much with bill. I feel like it would have been a lot more drama and i'm out that way. Do i want that trauma. I want to know like would he. He let's say alex steps back like is dylan still here with mallory and the same exact position like alternate universe. I wanna know oh we won't well. Actually we will when they break up a few days after the goodness while and then there's like a moment we're dylan's as he really loves alex's goals and then our families just like oh my god we do to like it's destiny and i was like okay. We're reaching here though meant to be. That is the number one one dealmaker in relationships. If you like your significant other's freckles odd forbid he didn't like them. Oh my goodness. I wouldn't be great to be honest why i mean meenakshi hope that he would be smart enough to keep that to solve good point. I'm sure he would as he allegedly. Some people seem to be there for the money. I mean that's what i heard so then we get caros best friend and raise parents herro is so so so so nervous about raise parents parents yeah and again. She has reason to be but i feel so bad. She's like really stressing out and i i think that it kind of her concerned it doesn't i don't think it's as bad as it could be but it's not great yeah and so leading into it race as carols. I was just like my mom and i feel like maybe they are super similar in that could be the cause of some conflict. I don't think that raise mom is going to be thrilled with a comparison to the honest after how she reacted to garo while she needs to get over it and jeans to get on the right side of history. She is like oh that's serious when ray tells them not caros his girlfriend girlfriend now yeah would love to see raise mom on violence season two but i <hes> okay well. We'll see what happens in the next eight nine months. Skelly no one knows a divorce. Rates are so uh-huh. I like that ray actually like really does stick up. He's like oh. She's fine. She's great like she makes me feel so much better <hes>. I don't love companies like she. Just she takes care of me just like you. I was like well. That's not the best but i really do like their connection. Carro is so excited excited telling her best friend that like oh. We're coupled up now. We're in a relationship and <hes> even you can tell caros. Best friend is like <hes>. Maybe you wanna talk to his mom so it seems like they held all the families like in one place and at least had a chance to speak up before entering the villa yeah a- and carro is so excited. She says it means so much to her and she does not get much in return because raise mom is like sorry. I'm a scorpio r._p._m. Neither as soon as i heard this i was like kirsten will know just what to say about astrology not my strong point but i do know a little bit about about scorpio's and if you're bringing up the astrological sign i'm assuming that they believe in what is said to be true of scorpios and i believe you have a definition for scorpio mothers so i did a little bit of research into scorpio mothers and here's what we got like a mother bear air protects and defense or cubs a scorpio woman protects and defends her children just as furiously against all harm she is not a meek mother threaten her children and you're in for a world of <music> hurt. However scorpio is a sign of extremes and taken too far the mother erin hurricane become bearing beloved mother who tries too hard to control everything in her children's lives and some descriptors or devoted strict demanding loyal and committed the definition of tough love high expectations micromanage is the children and protective but tends to exaggerate injures expect children to be truthful and is is a pitcher lee vigilant but not entirely trusting which i feel is exactly what we saw from raise mom i am saying let's get some scorpio mothers islands into whether whether they be raised mom or others they sound like great tv characters. I will admit scorpio's in general would be some great to characters. I get some scorpio some geminis as i was really shake things up. I'm i you know what i'm starting to believe that maybe this does hold some truth and i i mean okay. We'll see what happens after the podcast but in terms of right now raise mother really seems to exemplify what she is claiming to be her biked as caros heroes upset after they leave because she wishes that there was more time to actually clear things up which i think is just the sweetest yeah i feel bad like she is just like nervous because is she knows especially like they live across the country so it's not as if she's going to get a second chance with ray's mother so quickly so this first impression like they probably only had you know under thirty minutes and that's what she's got unless they're serious for a while. Oh that sounds san dan. I know it's not like whereas cure and cashel live twenty minutes away and they can just stop by the house carro really gonna be fighting uphill uphill battle and i feel really really bad for on this one. I mean for the record. I'm pretty sure curious. Parents live in new york so it would not be that easy <hes>. Maybe they're flying out to it. Also whatever so after these visits the islanders go to bed for the last time in the villa and it is time time to vote for a winner and we had two hours to vote for the couple that you want to win the season. I think both of us voted for reagan kiro that is true. I just really did not expect you to know so much about all. All these islanders parents well how dare you i'm calling out but yes i voted for ryan carro need them to win. Spoiler alert a little bit disappointed. What are <hes> so at the end of the island. They do a last day. Brunch shied just like on the last day of survivor. Yes little weird where they set it up. Usually it's just like it's in the backyard of the villa but this time it's like lined up in the exit hallway so they'll they can really get like one camera angle. That's just down or at all of the couples. Some really brilliant cinematography there and then dylan gets a text that they will be having a love island summer soiree to celebrate at the end of the season and gets the ladies will be leaving the village to get new outfits which carol immediately compares to wedding dress shopping. Don't don't let elizabeth's mom hear about wedding dress shopping. She is not going to be excited that it's happening so fast also to flush powered. Elizabeth stresses a little bridal awesome myself so that might have been on purpose. I usually do this on the u._k. Version and they'll have a little celebration. It's it's just like any other random party except they fits throwback to love island u._k. Sees and one when the women actually were put into wedding gowns honestly might prefer it the wild so why not let's have fun. There's a couple of things that were missing from this season that they do have on the u._k. Like i do. I am very much enjoyed the last week but let's spice it up. I mean can you imagine what weston's face would've looked like. Emily walked out in a wedding gown. He married her right on the spot. Whether or not he would have had since ready to go. He would've whited out chelsea's name and broten them written emily right there. Oh goodness so while the girls are kind of. I guess shopping not really shopping but whatever looking for at the addresses took a second brunch yeah essentially it's branch and they ask elizabeth. Is she going to marry zach and fiji. She's she's has <hes>. Let's hold up again. Elizabeth mom not happy with the conversation going on <hes>. She says no the editors might have a different hope considering what they put her in caro- mentions that she didn't have love at first sight with right but it developed and now they're very close and happy and i love that yeah big fan i like the slow burn so they were friends first and <hes> britain for these guys very very cute and then back in the villa villa reagan's attacks at the boys will be writing their declarations declarations of love to read out loud <hes> yeah <hes> uh-huh surprisingly dylan really does not know what to say either. He loves about alex on this one. Love letters just isn't him. Ah i mean as i like zach when he's like a really struggled to put my thoughts on paper. I'm really better at you know the the speaking speaking with words really struggled to get out of your mouth but i'll take your word for stop. He's only twenty two though i know i felt that there's like other people people have had like mess ups with math where i know again. Emily goes to one of the best colleges in new york and she had trouble with very simple math equation. It was just like a funny little sound clip. Yes so the woman are also writing declarations of love but they don't really be ha- god words are so hard today. They don't really seem to be having trouble with it like the boy so so. We don't really get that much of that. Zach may have been more eloquently speaking in that clip that you were just there. You know what we all have moments and it's been a long day and i talked to a lot of people and sometimes you just run out of words okay. That's totally fair shockingly though the women are more comfortable putting their feelings on paper super the men seem to be but i don't know about you but when we get to the letters i actually think that the men's letters might have been tiny bit better if you think i was paying attention to what was in those hurries and you are on drugs you'll have to go back and watch pause the podcast and then we'll get your word for word reciting view. I'll pass us on that one. I also like how long island just kind of makes love letters thing because i feel like love. Letters are not really a thing in real life anymore. Oh no it's this is the violin equivalent of a u up text now like i was gonna. I was gonna ask all. Do you have any laying love letter stories and i was like i have no idea what was going to say to that. I know i'd make the joke with the uup tech's. That's about as deep deep. It's going on that. I don't need to hear about your you. Okay never said my you up text for the slanderous. We'll technically isn't it liable when you say it or is it's libels written. I can't remember our our listening to the colin podcast once in a while. Why don't you feel like they get confused. Views about that all the time. Oh no they do not call okay libels retin-a yes. We just establishes pushes. Okay sorry it just what it's been a long day educational moment for everyone anyways so the boys get suited ridout and they are just handed outfits <hes> why do western dylan get this exact suit why why does it look so much worse on west and see. I don't i dillon gets like a third piece. I guess that's the difference. I mean not what i expected to say but i think emily in western might have cleaned up the best on this one. I don't know i think i think ryan in care. Oh yeah that's definite head the best suit no question loved the black pattern sued but i like emily whatever the purple along dress over caros red asymmetrical i as much as i will you know give western his do. They cleaned up well. They all got their stuff. As i said elizabeth got the white bridal title dress that she was walking down in but everyone cleaned up decently well. At least i just like i feel like the blue of western suit. Just didn't look good. You're you're gonna have a blue suit. It was not the right blue again. Maybe it was my t._v. They came up pretty much the same color i dunno. It just looked it just looked wrong and i don't remember what looked like i didn't notice anything wrong with it. I loved one karaoke came out and ray actually went out to meet her which i i think he went the farthest to me his partner and he's like give me a twirl like you look so amazing. I literally like i texted you in while watching the saying i i need an ambulance like i'm dying so cute. Oh look at you having a heart all of the sudden. This has been a journey for me of having emotions. It's been nearly a year since i became alive inside again and you guys all just need to deal with it everyone's dealing but it was just funny johny. I definitely think like you said ray walking out. That's the move you know walkout. Don't make our walk fully to you so it was funny. I definitely liked their. Are you know favorite couple favorite action definitely and you know elizabeth did look very bridal by she also looked kind of angelic. Make everyone looked good. I just usually i feel like the u._k. Does a better version of having more options. Maybe they had fewer. I just everyone one in the is obviously extremely attractive and i think that some of them just weren't given close to fit their full potential. Okay yeah well. I don't know what to say that but whatever we spent all the money on the music they didn't have it leftover for you know three choices i mean they might eight of how couple of dress options i think it was the thing where they did not get to decide what they were wearing. I think this is what you're wearing. I agree and again. They all looked great. I am saying it can be worse. Sometimes you get told what to wear a new do not think you look at it and you don't have a choice okay. I'm so that is true. I am so oh thank god that we were spared on. They know on the u._k. Version they'll do like a montage of like is this dress. Is this the dress and they're always like these horrifying like ugliest dresses you've ever seen in the world on purpose. It's like okay. We know you're not wearing that just moving along so i'm very happy where respect if that now i kind of flake those no. Why does the same thing every year is like the same like they keep in stock and just make everyone where i don't know it just like it's like the lizzie mcguire movie moment you need. No liz mcguire would definitely have that is four lizzie mcguire and don't get out of context. I i didn't realize that you were such a lizzie mcguire perez honestly it makes me respect you more on ac moving on. We're getting really off topic doc anyways so they read their ladders. Zach says he's in love with elizabeth thankful for the experience. Elizabeth loves his amazing outlook look on life. She never expected to find someone so great and he lets her know that she means the world to him. Yeah what got me about. This is that they finish. There's there's speeches and i mean sure this might be shown on t._v. But zach like whispers in her year he has no reason to like. There's nothing to be gained from as like a you mean the world to me and like all right that did i'll root for you a little bit more. Look at you having a motion. I know i know <hes> it's so watson. Starts has letter with deer honeybee. He has a lot of metaphors very jackson from bb twenty s cheers to their future together. Emily says she was fan girling over him watching t._v. and that they had great conversations that went from talked about nothing too serious topics like family and life after the villa are excited to share life together. She makes a comment about how she can see his goals goals becoming her goals which i think was supposed to be cute but made me uncomfortable yeah. I don't think that's going to be the case so i didn't worry about it too much <hes> well. If you of weston's metaphors were questionable. I actually thought that he probably had the second best speech out of anyone here tonight again not to praise weston too much in this final podcast but i didn't hate it. That's all i have to say about that. So it's fine. We get your west and stand now okay. How dare you know not no no no doing brian west end scally homework then we get ray and ray says he feels like the luckiest man on earth shoe makes heart melt used to talk to her. She's the prettiest girl and and makes them feel at home. He came to love island to really find someone to spend his life with he thinks he founded carol talks about her rocky journey but she's so happy to call him her boyfriend and she's falling for every bit of him and they are kissing lau looking into each other's eyes. Can you tell that raise speech was my my favorite since i wrote like four lines on it and wrote like half align on some of the others i really liked raise. I was gonna say any made these make you tear up because they didn't get me but but i feel like if anyone was gonna be close enough it would have been raised none of these gami to the point of tears the only thing i'm crying for on love island as i'm sorry everybody. I know. It didn't get me a but you know. I really did like race speech. He seemed to genuinely care about carro very much and sell like second elizabeth before them. No reason to things is going to do anything. They're like kissing just staring into each other's eyes at the table after they make speeches which i thought was cute. It's cute but also it's like weird. The people there is happening at the same exact time again. You're gonna have to go back and relax. Go for yourself stat. I just i thought funny visual so i wanted to throw it out there. I don't actually eric kissing with there is <music> so rude so then we have the vinyl dylan alexandra which i thought was weird to have them in the last spot i think i don't think the show sees i think they take them very seriously as a couple and so oh well we may be questioning them a little bit. I they're one of the top two couples so i think there are. Also you know they got the helicopter date. They didn't get the poolside three guitar players state nursing like three men on a date so dylan says coming into the villa he always had his eyes set on only her <hes> they haven't been able to stop laughing and he sees a real future with her and thanks her simply for being her alex. Alex says <hes> the first thing they said to each other was i'm scared. He taught her to let go that. People don't understand their connection but to say that she is fine. Only brian would be an understatement and then they will just a cute little pack but i don't remember it until we're now talking about it but alex alex's was one of my other favorite speeches think don't remember the exact speech but the summary sounded crate <hes>. I don't know if dylan only i decide on alex but i do agree like they seem to have an instant at least flirtation so a strong fourth couple yeah they. They've always seemed like they were really on the same page for the most part so i'm not super surprised by this so at this point arielle comes in to interview the final four couples so second elizabeth joined her on the balcony where they had their first kasame get a a little montage nothing really note than the same thing with rank heroin highway alex and dylan barbeque and emily westin on the big yellow sofa and i thought it was was really funny when they were showing kind of the montage of weston's experience in la violent. They cut kelsey out of it. Ooh that's awkward. They were like we have to make it one woman than it was. We don't have time. We need to cut one of them out like i just found that very very odd. I the who knows i mean i feel like they had this whole last half hour. I mean i love oreo but i really don't know what these little interviews had contribute to the show because i really got nothing from them. Yet almost seemed like she was too excited to be talking. I love the excitement generally again not to compare everything to the u._k. Version but i think what they'll do is they'll usually talk to the couples as their eliminated and they'll do it over the course of the show and i think that probably works a little a bit better. You got to talk to them. Like how do you feel about coming in whatever place and go through that rather than relying on like so you guys are cute <hes> and <hes> there's not really much there for her to say at that point yeah this finale format definitely could use a little work <hes> the other really cute thing that came out was with ray in and carol when ray was like i'm always nervous around her and that was so cute i mean especially like we talked about in the hideaway caros like running around jumping and like testing the bed sturdiness whereas ray being nervous outside like just to be in the hideaway for a night with her. My favorite thing is so exactly what they get the balcony the hideaway away the firepit and couch like okay the other three are like very iconic spots in love island and it's like oh and you know the couch or mustard yellow giant self which i feel. I got a namedrop earlier in the episode only to make it slightly more econo. Yeah that's a great call. So then it moves right into it's time to announce the results and this felt very rashed <hes> now they had. It's just you know it's very very intimate just the nine of them standing in the villa whereas i don't remember how season one for the u._k. Version maybe you remember better but i know in later seasons it is filled up with people just like hooting and hollering and screaming rooting for the couple's. This felt like a you know as i said a very intimate affair yeah. I think it's a lot harder to get. I studio full of people in fiji definitely true. I don't know if maybe they want to do it. You know on the balcony with like p._a.'s down like whatever somebody you know figure something out guys only gonna get the results pretty fast and furious western anomaly coming in fourth place absolutely no surprise to me yeah not shocking definitely going to be the case and then we get ray and caroline third place and just like back. I thought they would maybe get second place but i see i was wrong. Yeah now even as i'm typing up my notes and then all the sudden i mike and just put dylan and alex. Just you know fingers crossed manifesting it now ranco third place. I ah i dunno disappointed not surprised in other it was like an online swell of support but those love island casual viewers who we have no idea what they're thinking because i didn't see that much support for dylan and alex online personally yeah i don't. I don't really know by then. We got a dylan. Alex likes in second place which means zach and elizabeth are the champions of love island u._s._a. Season one which i think we all could have predicted from the premier. Let me ask you definitely not shocking. They are like i said <hes> i root for the crazy couples to make it to the end and not even crazy but just like personality couples and well zakat. Elizabeth are not the big personality couples couple. They are sweet. They were like fine the whole time. No one deserves to win a fan vote at the end of the day and you just you do or you don't so it's fine with me. They went they <hes> they went and then we get where they will. Each get an envelope one. We'll say one hundred thousand one will say zero whoever gets one hundred thousand guests to choose if they will share the money or keep it all for themselves and elizabeth gets the choice ya the unsurprisingly no hesitation shares it would sack my question is because they didn't use to do this at least again u._k. Version as the president. Why did they switch to only giving one person. A decision makes no sense to me. This is how did switch it for love island u._k. No i know they does this is what it is now but it used to be like you can choose to keep or share and if one person chooses keep than they all of it. If you both to share than what i want. I can never see a scenario where both people are choosing. Keep i feel like a true. Prisoner's dilemma might be a little bit too strategy heavy for aren't the average love island. I mean maybe i also think that i don't. I don't think these people are coming out to the follower. Follower counts where they're going to be the influencers that the u._k. Cast members are so u._k. Version i don't think we're ever ever unfortunately going to get someone keeping the money because they're coming out to a much bigger reaction if they keep that money and it might not be so positive so i think there were always got someone keep their here where you're not getting career from this show after this so maybe there's the possibility someone keeps it but i have a hard time. I'm seeing a u._s. Audience vote for someone who's going to keep the money ultimately yeah i think <hes> i think that's a very fair point and it seems like she did not even need need to think about it. It was just immediate. I'm sharing this because even yeah they're. They're sharing any ways now because they're committed. They're getting married in three months. Just like zack's parents. Sorry elizabeth mom but it's happening. I it's funny because they didn't even try to like with a pause or like cut to come. I don't even know it. I was just like yeah. It's happening at the end of the episode was so rushed at the end like this all happened in like a minute and a half span yeah. It was crazy at least let them sweat it out. I don't know like like we said interview the couples in between eliminating but they're learning. We have a season to hopefully improves and that's exactly so that that is it unload island season one i do you have any overarching thoughts before we get into questions i did have one my f- i was thinking in terms of like the family visits and especially when they're walking around doing the interviews and showing the montages of the relationships how funny it would have been cure in jared had snuck into that top four. I have to get a montage of kira and jared's relationship which is like oh i mean. I guess it's better being here with you than at home like very very funny so we really missed out on that one wow we really did. That's truly a shame okay while we have some questions from the rob has awesome patrons facebook group mike christians and asks if you went on a grocery grocery store date. What are your favorite items that you'd show your significant other see. I thought i had a good answer and then i realized this would have been good at like this was my favorite thing to look get as a kid and now i kind of sad about it but you got the lobster tank which is the only interactive thing but now i think as a kid in a restaurant i'd be like whoa aw animals and now i'm like oh so maybe it's not the best answer anymore. I don't even know like i can't imagine imagine what i would tell anyone. Except furthers gardena makes these delicious fake chicken sliders and i just want to show everyone them so that they know these are amazing and and if you happen to see them and it's sold out he's by them for kirsten because they are sold out every single time i go to the grocery store i mean i guess you gotta take them like to a costco where they're selling samples and giving away samples and just that's all you'll show them at the grocery store otherwise i mean you got the liquor section really not a lot else going on at a grocery sri store liquor section of the grocery store here see. We have a beer section not a liquor section. You are <hes> pacific liquor store here. Thankfully there open until two a._m. Depends on the states but yes in new york. You can look look at bureau so that good to know that you are taking people to the beer aisle. Okay not for me personally sure shar dr terra rene asked did production give the best states to the couples. They think are more likely to win. I mean i've already already giving my opinion on this. I'm assuming that you agree that. That is probably the case yeah. I definitely think they like to put their thumb on this a little bit with those eighth. I don't even like yeah. I think it's putting the thumb on the scale but at the imagine we have cure and jared. Do you wanna see karen jared on the day. I mean i'm a little curious what they would talk about. Oh yeah so. Are you gonna go talk to cashel after i guess though the probably so what are you gonna do i cough jared's answer so i really you know i think it definitely is more of a these are going to win so we want to see something more interesting them pay heather towns on asd asked why lasted longer the summer suare or jack from bb twenty one. The finale pays seems way off yeah. I don't donald statement jack or nick in this question well regardless. The finale was longer than forty five seconds so okay. <hes> scott saint-pierre asks. What is the over under on the length of time. Each couple will ask so. How do we set the over under. I like six months and then we go through three to the balls. Oh see i was going to say what are we setting them on for each couple individually and then you give me the over under or vice versa. Oh well how whatever you wanna do. I don't care okay okay so i'm saying like zach and elizabeth they making it over. Let's say six months yeah over for sure over for sure see. I don't i if anyone is going into. It's definitely them but then again like my over under furred western. Emily is like three weeks. You think they're making it over not the tough one yeah exactly <hes> i do think like zach and elizabeth give me. They really do give me jeff and jordan vibes. I would not be surprised at all if they were married with two kids in like a year and a half the difference is i know jordan was very young on her first season. At least i think i don't know how old anyone on reality shows and but zach doc is twenty two twenty three and elizabeth is twenty four. They're really young and they're moving and they're not sure what they're gonna do and yada yada so i'm i'm not as confident that this is necessarily going to last just because they seem like they are very cute couple. That seemed to have no issues right now. I guess i just believe in love and you don't. I mean like i said before. Divorce rates are high so who knows what's going to happen here. My god anyways scott's n._p._r. Also asked is the first couple to commit usually an or often the winner of the season i would they know <hes>. It's definitely a possibility. It definitely helps slick to be in a couple but i don't think it's necessarily just who commits i. Maybe that will be the case with the voting audience but i definitely think it's much more interesting on the u._k. Versions yeah. I feel like normally in the u._k. Version there there will be one leg super sweet couple blizzak and elizabeth type that makes it super far but they don't necessarily win whereas a little bit more of a combustible couple that has moment of like true love well kind of win more often in the making your ideal winning scenario for the u._k. Is start out pretty strong. You know get the flirtation going have a massive fight in the middle of the season and then towards the end makeup be really cutesy and then that's how you're that's the winning formula for the u._k. Someone's going to need to try that for the u._s._a. Season two for show. I don't know how they're going to do i just i don't think that the u._s. Audience is one to root for villains necessarily as a whole here right in there so wrong. It's so unfortunate assume we have some twitter questions so at slither rien a. plus friend a+ twitter handle asks like can we up the trashing us next season. This was very very cute and tame yeah. I'm wondering if maybe they'll do a different time slot. I don't think we'll lay this time but even nine would help probably so so. I am hoping i'm glad to see that. They're giving it a second chance. I think that as we saw i think they did turn it up a little tiny bit towards the dan where you know earlier and halfway through getting yoga positions and then in the last the last episode of the series it's like no yeah look at what they're doing under the covers and so four they kind of realized what they need to do okay and then joe weaver at s j wolves asks you carrying cash will win if they'd let them back into the villa. Why couldn't they rules. This is love island who needs rules are l. should have made this happen see. I don't think they win no. I don't think so i think on the u._k. Version they win yeah. Probably you know that those are my two biggest. Winner picks over there zaken elisabeth with a shot still but i just don't see the u._s. Audience like as much as we online and you know probably specifically specifically twitter and facebook groups and whatever may be rooting for the entertaining personality couple. I think that a a lot of viewers really like that ju- meant to be storyline. That's acting elizabeth had yeah. I think it's just like a sad reality that the people who are introducing on social media and consuming the show with podcasts and that kind of thing we're watching for different reasons than the vast majority of everybody else <hes> and i. I am interested to see if it develops at all. Maybe in a longer season format hopefully for season two than if that was the case. I think there is a better shot that a a couple who will first of all. I don't think in a longer format you're as likely to have a couple of stick together from beginning to the end but i also think that we would get to know them. Better ultimately my biggest like request going into season two or something they could change. I just want more scenes getting to know people and i feel like if we we got that more because she's a personality and i feel like i get who she is. I don't feel like the audience knows her whereas they probably feel l. Like they know people just like second elizabeth. Their everyday lives more than fair than katie covari at katie you asked do you think there are any missed connections. That could have happened on the island. I think that it seemed like you said winston. Just came out came in at had a time where everyone seemed really happy not necessarily that it would've worked but there's a couple of people who got dumped immediately after when suit got dumped and so maybe they are regretting not having explored things with winston. Nothing immediately jumps out to me. What about you. I mean obvious the obvious answer is karen and west and there we go that is a good answer you know they resolved it and i forgot but i just stand stan cash and carry too much to ever think about that as a possibility i mean it's not really i'm just so hilarious. Sorry i had at being underscore. Score allowed us who would be a great bachelor or bachelorette. Ooh that is tough. Do you have an answer worked out. I think emily i think emily would have given us hannity energy as the bad me. She's just so young. She's twenty one years old. I don't even care she be so good yeah. She would be really good like we've said like a big personality that came in there. I think that she can handle her own lake rather than being part of ensemble cast. I think that she is big enough of a personality. Well also being relatable and fine. I'm trying to think on the guy side and i'm just really not coming up with somebody off the top of my head. Yeah i think i think i think a winston could be the bachelor yeah. I don't know we might be just like a little a little bit too fee. I just don't know that he's as serious as the role. They're looking for. Honestly it might be amen yeah could be. I wouldn't hate it but i just i don't know i think a lot of these people are much better suited for the ensemble cast and personally. I enjoy that as a format better myself anyway yeah me too and then from next snow at nick underscores the enter score snow asks. Do we expect to see more former big brother or even potentially former survivor contesting next season <hes> based on who may or may not be on some of those shows in the next year before love love island is on. I'm not sure we're getting anyone from you know one or two shows and then based on big brother twenty one and i'm not so confident that c._b._s. Is looking to ask many of these personalities back soon so i think that's kind of an obstacle. They're going to run into would love to see lauren from edge of extinction yes. I just worry that like c._b._s. Will view season thirty eight. Oh that's last year you you know. I don't know that she is as big of a name as they're looking for but then again who would have expected winston to be the big name that they were looking for one year later yeah yeah exactly so it's possible it would be fun but i don't know if we should expect it and then for the last question i'll logan at logan mader formerly haiku. Go fish back rest in peace asks. Who from the season. Would you like to see crossover onto a future season of the challenge. I think the answer is the same that you gave for the bachelorette. I think emily would be a great addition to the challenge. I i just i wouldn't hate it at emily. I for sure yup judging on your exit interview with alary maller through no fault of your own. I don't think that it was the most high energy so i look the maybe worry about her in the challenge house again. I could see ayman there. I could maybe see cash link europe but i think they probably the wrong personality type. I don't think they're as you know into conflict as you might want to be on those shows whereas i can really see emily slotting right in amongst that group and she's athletic so that's really leave my netflix my number one pick their kristen could also be fun. Kristen would be fun. I would not hate it. I think that she you know she michael little wild. Maybe maybe just a little bit okay. We'll that is it for love island season one coverage on our age a._p. Until hill next season scali where can people find you. I'm so sad it's over but i'll be on twitter at brian underscore. Scally that's b. R. a. n. underscore s._c. L. l. y. Herbage and you can find me on social media at that person said what you will continue to be able to find me doing weekly recaps of riverdale over on cousy cast that is cow with a k. as well as scattered scattered a big brother type coverage also on our h._p. In the meantime thank you so much everyone for supporting us and listening this season. We really appreciate it. Thank you to scott saint-pierre who has edited all these episodes imposed with them for us and until next time have a good one guys <music> get to old navy saturday and sunday just in time for back to school. Girls and boys polos are three bucks in stores. Only plus saturday only jeans or ten bucks for for adults seven bucks for kids at old navy and old navy dot com valid eight ten to eight eleven limit. Five paulos select styles only.

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1.18 Plymouth in the 1620s

The Political History of the United States

34:59 min | 1 year ago

1.18 Plymouth in the 1620s

"Hello, and welcome to the political history of the United States, episode one point eighteen sixteen twenty's implement. Last time, we examined the growing diplomatic relations between the pilgrims and the Indians, we got the pilgrims through their first winter and ended up burying about half the original passengers from the Mayflower including the first governor John, Carver this leads to William Bradford, taking control of the colony a position that he is going to hold for the majority of the next thirty six years this week, it is time that we move our story along. It has occurred to me that through the first four episodes on Plymouth. We have only covered about six months in time. This means for me to get us out to the sixteen fifties as plan. It is going to take me like eight hundred episodes. So the gopher this week, then is to talk about the for several years on the ground in Plymouth as we head towards our next great milestone, the explosion of population in sixteen thirties, Massachusetts, we are going to deal primarily with two questions for today. The first is going to be internal changes for Plymouth. This is going to include a new group. Of settlers and the relationship with the investors back in England. This relationship is largely going to paint the events of the next several years. As the colony moves through its own internal growing pains second. We are going to look at the often rapidly evolving relationship between the Indian tribes and those same pilgrims as we will see those internal questions that we lead off with are going to directly affect the relationship with the Indian tribes. Mike wise, the corollaries true as well as the Indians relationship with putting the changes it is going to introduce new internal pressures that the pilgrims must deal with, if all of the sounds confusing stick around, and we will make some sense out of this whole thing before we dive in for today, I want to make a comment about the sources that I'm using on these episodes. If you find that you just love the early clinical history, I want to strongly encourage you to read more about it as I've mentioned before, there are essentially two main primary sources and a variety of secondary sources that I have been relying on the two primary sources are of Plymouth plantation 'em worth. Relation both of these works are very easy to find an are actually available for free online. If you go to the website, US political podcast dot com and check out the biography page, you can find the links directly online to both versions of the works, even among the secondary sources, I'm using many of them are also going to rely on both more relational, and of Plymouth, plantation. If you wanna learn about Plymouth in all kinds of detail, I can't recommend enough that this podcast should just be your starting point. And this brings me to the final point on the subject of sources. My hope is that this podcast is not the end of your investigation into any particular topic, rather my hope is that the show opens up the doors for you to go out and dive into the actual sources themselves. That's where the good stuff is to help out with this. I'm gonna do my best to keep that bibliography up to date, though. I will occasionally fall behind a few episodes, but we sure to check back often, I promise that I'm going to update my sources frequently. If you decide that. You want to read more about a subject that should be a pretty good place to start for you. Okay. I know that for today, let's head on back to Plymouth soon after becoming the president of the colony William Bradford would begin dealing with problems from upset, and impatient investors. If you'll recall the agreement with the investors back in London is that the pilgrims had agreed that for the first seven years, they would spend most of the days per week, working for the company for the pilgrims. That is gonna mean collecting the local resources for export back to England. The problem. However, is that for the first few months, the primary concern of the pilgrims is just staying alive. Not dying is the goal of the day when the Mayflower release Plymouth in April of sixteen twenty one it did so empty, we've already talked about the stress strain the first few months and the fact that about half the passengers of the Mayflower are now dead didn't help anything between finding a place to settle building that settlement and trying to survive the winter, the pilgrims failed to produce. Any cannibal goods to send back on the Mayflower when the ship arrived back in England without any goods the investors were not amused. Thomas Weston was one of those investors not laughing at the situation. If you'll recall, we talked about western back in episode one point fourteen Thomas Weston was the investor for the merchant adventures who'd been working directly with Robert Cushman, western decided that he needed to let William Bradford. No. Just how upset he was about the situation lesson would get his chance in November of sixteen twenty one them of the pilgrim, saw their first set of new settlers arrived aboard the fortune onboard worth thirty seven new settlers, which helped offset the fifty years, who had died during that first winter, what the fortune did not have with was any new provisions of mention other than apparently some new suits from London shared the fortunate and bring along new provisions. But at least the pilgrims, we're going to look good in their new suits, and to be completely clear, here, the fact that the fortune showed up with no provision is not. An accident. This isn't that somebody back in London for got this is almost certainly meant to send a message along to the pilgrims. You send us back the Mayflower without any goods on board. We're now going to send you knew settlers without any new provisions. So let's not miss the fact that this was a very, very clear threat towards the settlers, also onboard the fortune was a letter from Thomas west into William Bradford, letting them know that he was pretty upset over the entire thing with the Mayflower turning without being filled with supplies lesson wrote, I just never acquaint, the adventures with the altercations of the conditions for Sigrid on between us which I have since been very glad of for I am well assured that they know as much as I do that they would not have adventured half a penny of what was necessary for this ship that you sent. No landing in the ship is wonderful and worthily distasteful. I know your weakness was the cause of it. And I believe more weakness of judgment than. Weakness of hands. A quarter of the time you spent in discounting arguing and consulting would have been much more. But this past, etc. If you mean bona fide to perform the conditions agreed upon do us the favor to copy them out Fain as the scribe them with the principle of your names. And likewise, give us an account as particular as you can. However money has been laid out, and then I shall be able to give them some satisfaction. Who I am now forced with good words to shift of and consider the life of the business depends on the landing of this ship, which if you do to any good purpose that I may he feed from the great sums. I have distributed for the former and must do for the latter. I promise you, I will never quit business though all the other adventures should. This is a very long way for west into basically say that the pilgrims failed to produce any goods, because they were being lazy and weak willed. The business was failing basically because everybody is just bailing out. But was assured the pilgrims that he was here to stay and that he would never quit on the pilgrims and their cause and just a side note for right now? Go ahead and keep that last part about never quitting on the pilgrims of mine for just a few minutes. We're going to be circling back around to that in just a moment. I over, we need to deal with western calling the pilgrim's week will to say that Bradford was upset at this acusations is a huge understatement. Bradford was furious if you're baseball fan, you know, those moments when guy strikes out swinging at a ball three feet out of his zone and decides to use their bat to murder an innocent Gatorade cooler. Yeah, that's basically what William Bradford felt upon reading this letter after all, who is. Weston this investor back in. Nice safe England is calling him weak it isn't like Bradford the others were sitting around doing nothing that winter. They were trying not to die half of those who went on the trip were dead by the end of that. First winter onboard. The fortunate was our old friend Robert Cushman cushman's immediate job was to help temper the blow that Weston's remonstrance must have felt like over Cushman, who by this time had become a trusted Representative of the pilgrims was able to get them to sign a new charter, the charter if you're wondering appears to have been the same controversial charter that had initially been proposed back in England. The one that included a six day work week for the company with Cushman vouching for west and being a trustworthy guy, the pilgrims, finally accepted this agreement in response to this Bradford, would send response back to Weston when the fortune left addressing the issue now completely for Bradford west and had actually addressed a letter to John Carver being unaware that. Hit now been dead for the last seven months. This allows Bradford to inform with that Carver was dead. And after taking a few other parting shots. Bradford takes another shot when he says to west in that agreat charges in this adventure, I confess, you have been and many losses, Mesa state, but the loss of his and many other honest, and industriousness lives cannot be valued at any price, MRs basically Bradford, telling west and hey, buddy. So, you know, Carver died from working plus, like half the people who came over are now dead, and you're talking about money you kidding me. Bradford would go onto defend. The fact that there was not weakness hands and further emphasize, the great loss that had suffered when the fortune of Plymouth, it would be sent back completely filled with clapboard also heading back on the fortune, was Robert Cushman, his day implement beam more of an extended vacation Cushman, did, however leave his son Thomas behind implant in the care of Bradford. And as a quick side note, all that clapboard beans have back on the fortune will never actually make it to England. This ship is going to be captured by the French as a suspected enemy ship, and will the ship would eventually be cleared and released look French descended to pulled onto all those goods on board. So bummer, for the English the fortune brought along thirty seven new settlers. This is a double edged sword for the pilgrims, first and importantly they needed to replenish, their losses from the previous winter. And this just about gets them their share. They were still. A little short. But hey, at least they're on their way. Now on the other hand, the fortune came without any new provisions and thirty seven new mouths to feed. The Indians had helped to savage crops in Plymouth, but it isn't like they are overflowing with food hunger is still a serious concern. And now there are thirty seven people arriving shortly before winter thirty seven people who are probably going to want to eat the pilgrims had now been implement for eleven months. They had become at least somewhat acclimated to the harsh conditions of the land. They knew how rough survival was for the thirty seven passengers on the fortune. They had no idea and we're pretty open with their fear in order to deal with this. The pilgrims had you cut their already meagre rations as they went into the winter of sixteen twenty two not a great start heading into that winter among the thirty seven passengers. There are a few names that I do want to bring attention to several of those on board were originally planned for the ill-fated. Speed. Well, Jonathan Brewster the set of William Brister was one of the new, colonists also on board was Thomas prince in time. Prince is going to become a major figure in the politics of Plymouth, and become the colonial governor, three separate times, just an interesting note that I also came about in regards to Thomas prince his descendant is Commodore, Matthew Perry is better known to history as Commodore Perry based on our current pace. I anticipate that we will talk about how Commodore Perry open trade with China, in something like twenty thousand episodes. But rest assured someday, he will make a return to the podcast, the other passenger that I want to mention is Philip Delano amongst the people send it from Philip Delano is the future president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, so there you go. Some more interesting family relations from the fortune. The fortune arriving is this double edged sword that we've been talking about it does help, replenish, the numbers of the pilgrims. However, it does not come with. Supplies, and it's gonna put this additional journal colony beyond this, however, there are going to be additional struggles that are going to arise in the colony during this time namely as more and more people come along the role of the light lighteners began to decrease in the colony following the newcomers being just a little bit too jovial on Christmas. Bradford would find himself upset that number one, the newcomers weren't working, and number two, if they needed the day off shouldn't they be spending it inside deepen prayer. This is going to be a minor matter right now. How ever as time passes these differences are going to begin causing problems in the colony as we go along. We're going to begin seeing an increased amount of factionalism pure Plymouth, and eventually throughout the New England colonies, okay? So remember, just a minute ago when Thomas Weston sent his remonstrance in it. He made the big deal saying that he will never quit the pilgrims. Yeah. So that was your cool of him. I mean, sure he was upset and wanted to make sure that everybody was making money, but of course he would. Ever quit the pilgrims in June of sixteen twenty two Thomas, Weston quit the pilgrims. Listen to set it to so all his shares in the company and move on with his life, however, because that wouldn't be enough, the method that western decided to us is particularly brutal news of west betrayal, came aboard the charity and the swan and sixteen twenty two onboard these two ships were sixty men who most definitely were not there to replenish, the ranks of the pilgrims. No western had actually sent mental to start a new colony. But before going off to start their own colony. They decided to hang out in Plymouth for the first few months making matters worse. These weren't people who are going to just settle down and start working the land to provide for the community. They showed up on listens behalf and they were there for one reason, and one reason, only to make money in so many ways this is reminiscent of those early days. Jamestown, these sixty men were obsessed with finding ways to split their new home. Things like food and shelter and survival. Those can wait. There is money to be made. The new settlers destroyed crops and did not do anything but push Plymouth to the edge of starvation phone, what must have been an insufferably long summer west as new group of settlers left Plymouth, and ended up, settling, a colony in a location known as Wesley Gusset. What's Gusset is located near where modern day, y myth is nobody in Plymouth was going to miss the group. However, they're leaving men problems of its own despite the peace form the year before the pulmonary with the Indians with still a dicey prospect best now. And I'm guessing that this isn't surprising. The group was agus. It wasn't exactly going to make things better considerable concern of fear by association spread throughout the colony. The last thing that Bradford or anybody in Plymouth needed right now was for these guys to go a mess up an already tenuous relationship. The members of the Plymouth, colony would spend. Carefully. Informing local tribes, that they have nothing to do with those guys agus it as we will see that mission is going to ultimately be less than successful. So what comes out of the Connie, it was Gusset. Well, it is going to be extremely short lived by the spring of sixteen twenty three the colony will be gone. The men who were there would end up joining fishing expeditions in the area. And the Connie would just collapse. However, will the existence of the Gusset colony is going to prove to be very short, there would be long lasting effects because of the colony the long term effects are going to lead to a long period of rising tensions and hostilities between the English and the Indians. So what happened to the colony for that we are going to switch gears and talk about one of our other topics for today, the evolving relationship between the Indians and the English throughout sixteen twenty two and into sixteen twenty three having covered the journal changes to the Connie we are now. Going to step back and address the diplomatic relationships that were emerging us weekly spend our time talking about the beginning of the relationship with the local Indians and all these were clearly a step in the right direction. Things are going to remain complicated, for a while as I hinted at last week, the pilgrims, by this point, we're figuring out that messes weight is not the New England version powered it in fact method is going to prove to have far less power than the pilgrims, had actually -ticipant did the initial problem was not just that mass. Oh, it was not as powerful as he had one of the pilgrims to believe, but he wasn't even the most powerful shaman in the area, rather, the most powerful tribe in the region. Wasn't stead the Narragansett s- under the leadership there. Shaman kenneka. This is going to cause multiple problems for Canopus. He was sitting on top of a growing power base. He was not exactly thrilled to see an agreement between muscle and the pilgrims. After all the last thing he is going to want. A rival tribe to suddenly having alliance with the group that carries firearms a cannons in late November sixteen twenty one Kennedy would fire his opening salvo, by sending the pilgrims, frus- Quanta, a bunch of Aero's wrapped a snakeskin squander clarified for the pilgrims that this should be taken as a threat and should be dealt with, with an appropriate response. The response was for Bradford to send back ace snakeskin filled with gunpowder. Well, a little tit for tat was acceptable for threats. The pilgrims were also not ignorant reality, their situation sure they had guns and cannons. And yet they knew in a fight. They could do some serious damage to any challenger, however doing damage answer. Vavi are two totally different things even with the reinforcements from the fortunate. They were still going to be badly outnumbered being could launch EROs at a much faster rate than the pilgrims could reload. There must get four another volley this puts the pilgrims into an immediate tell you a situation. Eh need to get the respect of the local inhabitants. And you must answer threats appropriately. However, at the same time, this is most definitely a fight that the pilgrims are not going to want to have the most immediate solution was to properly fortify, the town. Bradford writes that, but this made them more careful to look at themselves. So as they could agree to enclose their dwellings with a good strong pale clinkers convenient places with gates to shut, which were every night. Locked and a watch kept when they need it required. There was also warning in the daytime and the company was by the captain, and the governor advised divided into force, quadrants, and everyone had their quarter appointed them unto which they were to repair upon any set alarm. And if there should be any cry fire, a company were appointed for a guard with muskets with others quench the same to prevent Indian treachery. What Bradford is saying here is that he. Basically wants to put a wall with locking gates around the town from there. You divide the settlers essentially into quarters with each group responsible for standing guard over one quarter of the fort by the time. The following March had rolled around this project appears to have been completed and again as a side note, here, remember a few minutes ago. Bradford was getting angry over the new settlers being happy Christmas. It was the building of the fortification that they were taking the day off from. Well, the fortification was completed the second part of the plan fell two miles Standish, who needed to make sure that the colony had at least a rudimentary fighting force. This is a project that's data should work on throughout the late winter early spring of sixteen twenty two this always up to one of these stranger situations to happen situation, that would in with the pilgrims being plunged into a diplomatic nightmare that they neither wanted nor were fully prepared to deal with throughout the winter of sixteen twenty two there had been plans, made by the pilgrims to visit the Massachusetts trod in order to trade furs. Mother's. Boy, the pilgrims were becoming increasingly skilled in the first trade, which is going to become their primary export in the years to come before the trip to see the Massachusetts people. However William Bradford mile Standish received a warning during that winter hope amok, another member of the pokanoka tribe had been living with the pilgrims, hubba mock warned that the Massachusetts tribe had entered into an alliance with the Narragansett Hubble Ma told Bradford, and Standish, that the plan was for the Massachusetts to slaughter the pilgrims during their visit with the head of the settlement off. Then there again, it would move in and seize control of the now fortified colony. If that wasn't enough of a problem, s- Quanta was implicated in the plot as having worked to organize the entire thing. It was decided that the trip to trade with the Massachusetts had to go on mother wise. Starvation was going to become a very real risk for the pilgrims mile. Standish led the trading party this issue is figuring out what to do with the situation between quantum and hob amok. The two men clearly don't like each other leaving the pilgrims with the question of who should they believe in April of that year, Standish to ten men, including both Scotto and hope amok to trade with the Massachusetts. No sooner had they left than a bloodied Indian arrived claiming to be a member of Skonto family. He told the pilgrims that in alliance between the Narragansett and the weapon, no egg habits dropped and then an attack was imminent. Now, if you're saying, wait, the lamp, no Ag aren't they the allies Plymouth. Well, yeah, you would be right confused. Well, so were the people inside a Plymouth, obviously, by this point everybody knows that something is up more than a few fingers or pointed in the direction of squad. Oh, based on the claims of Haba MC Bradford, Accu AST fired the cannons, which was alert to everybody to retrieve back inside the fortification. Luckily for the pilgrims, this is all going down on a day without wind the lack of win means that mile Standish and his men. Were still close enough to the colony to hear the cannon fire and quickly return upon returning to Plymouth the question became who to trust Quantico or hub amok as they were now pointing the fingers at each other, m based on the unfolding events, one of them was lying that you was made to send hubba mucks wife to mess. Wait to see what is up less. You let either possible conspirator scape upon her return, the new she brought is that messes weight had no problems with Plymouth. However, they had become aware of a plot by Scorpio to overthrow mass. Wait squander had been working to grow his own power base for awhile now. The hope was that by staging a false attack. He could get the pilgrims to launch a war against mass weight in the assuming power vacuum quantum himself would insert himself into that power. The pilgrims therefore are going to be left with another situation what to do about squander. Obviously wanted to handed over under the terms of their treaty had a pretty good argument to be made that the pilgrims should in fact hand him over, and this is going to lead to several tense must between Massa sweet and Bradford. Bradford wasn't terribly thrilled with the idea of headings Cuanto to would have been his death mask. However, was pretty adamant that he one of the ma'am planning against him dead. And forget reason Skonto for his part, just kept pointy. How muck saying that yet you've got the wrong guy? It was that guy right there. Who's behind everything, though, by this point, it doesn't really appear that anybody actually believed him Bradford. However, it was beginning to run the one options, he was going to have to make a decision eventually that is win. Thomas Weston came to the rescue as all of this is unfolding. Two ships pure off the coast William Bradford basically, decides to point to say, hey guys look over there. It's about I surely can't make this decision when there is a boat coming. They could be hostile and I now need to pay. A one hundred percent attention to that boat. And we can figure out the whole squander thing later. Those ships off the coast would prove to be the charity in the swan which we talked about earlier message weights men by this point had become so frustrated with all the stall tactics that they essentially throw their hands up in the air and storm off for now at least both squander, and hub amok are going to get to survive. The entire episode is going to damage though, not destroy the relationship between Plymouth, and the women. No Ag this relationship is going to get worse in the coming years as westerns new company with settling wasn't Gusset to wrap this week up. I'm going to discuss what brought down the Wessex colony in event that it's going to have very long term effects for the future of the Plymouth colony. If you recall from a few minutes ago, the Ming coming over on the swan and the charity had dental to disrupt the food supply now that they moved onto us agus, it Weston's men discovered that they also had crippling few shortages. Well Plymouth had somewhat stabilized their crisis through some key trading for food by Winslow westerns than were in serious danger of starving to death over that winter, the two colonies decided that it was probably in their mutual interest to work together to secure Neff provision for both colonies through the winter one has to believe that despite how Plymouth settlers felt about the settlement with agus it, there was to the idea that there is safety in numbers. Bradford might hate their guts, but should Plymouth be attacked having another English settlement in the area. My provide a little bit more protection. This would have been even more important. Now as the pilgrims had learned that in the last few months, not all the Indians in the area were thrilled to have them there. Finally, along with the charity and the swan came. News of the massacre in Jamestown by shaneco all these factors coming together weren't enough that Bradford had agreed that having the colonists in west Augusta survived. The winter was probably a good idea. And to his benefit the two groups went out on this one in new member of sixteen twenty to try to trade for some food. Also along for the strip was Cuanto, who appears to have regained some trust, and we'll must have been relieved to survive his close call months before our English speaking translator was working on borrowed time after securing the food that they saw it largely with the helpless Cuanto preparations were being made for return to the colony right about that time. However squad Sedley became violently ill within days. Squander was dead, though Bradford was apparently clueless to the possibility that squad. His death had been anything more than a natural death. Rumors persisted for years that this was actually an assassination, if scorned to have been poisoned by mass weight. It really wouldn't be that big of a shock after all, as long as he lived Massa's, white must've used Cuanto as a continuing threat to his own power. However, regardless of if it was natural causes or deliberate act Quanta was dead. Suddenly it was hubba who was going to now. By default have the ear of the pilgrims in Plymouth conditioning, Gusset were miserable best making matters worse is that in the spring of sixteen twenty three rumors of an India tack on with Augusta Plymouth became a serious cause for alarm? This isn't some minor warning either. It's coming to reckless from Masol, sending that everybody needs to take seriously, considering the source of the threat Bradford had little, he do, but be proactive approach suddenly public enemy number one became would want a Massachusetts warrior. Of course, the problem remained to this point that the Massachusetts people had never actually acted in a hostile manner towards the pilgrims surely didn't like them. That was no secret, but they cut it done anything about it mile Standish does not appear to have been too concerned with this, and seemed more than happy to finally get some action Standish assembled a small force, and made his way to western Gusset with the intent to bring the head of. Wigwam it back to Plymouth. After arriving. What follows is a few interactions between the two groups, the engines were aware that Sanish was busy, scheming, yet, had no interest in showing weakness to the Englishman under the auspices of feast of corn. Import Sanders was able to get woman and another Indian named picks. What to come into one of the west agus at homes, both men were among the elite warriors in the Massachusetts tribe, along with the two warriors were a handful of other tribe members, including several women. The English were represented by Standish as well as three other settlers. Also president. This room was hub amok as the meal began Standish missing to the other settlers in the room, who quickly moved to seal the doors Standish in a rather, bold move jumped up to disarm PECS await taking the knife from around his neck mile, Sanish proceeded to stab PECS white to death. Meanwhile, the other subtler is in the room spring on with a woman Standish ordered that the. The Indians in the colony became would want woman's brother who had been in the room with Standish was hanged, the leader of the Massachusetts ended up going into retreat after the massacre. It was Augusta. There were three Englishmen living among the Massachusetts people all of whom would be executed for the actions of their countrymen as Standish promised, he returned to Plymouth with wet Awam its head on a pike. A handful of the women were taken prisoner by Standish, and we're later released by Bradford with a warning to the Massachusetts people. The Massachusetts for their part, did not seem all that interested in a fight and will they desired peace. They had little interest in going to Plymouth, where Shirley another massacre was waiting for them as we are going to see moving forward. Visit tack is going to have a long term impact on the relationship between the Indians and the pilgrims for all the diplomacy that the pilgrims had previously attempted. They now prove just as unpredictable as the Indians had previously feared. Furthermore, after this attack, none of the local Indian tribes were all that anxious to trade with the pilgrims anymore in this way, the attack was actually a devastating blow for the pilgrims, along with the Massachusetts people. So who did benefit from this? Matha. As the other tribes along the Cape Cod coz fled inland from the English threat. Massa's wait was able to step into the opening and assert his newfound power. Well, it can be debated if there was ever a threat from the Massachusetts to begin with the truth is that the man who informed the pilgrims of the threat against them, as at this entire thing in motion had just seen one of his chief rivals eliminated. John Robinson wrote to Bradford regarding this attack and shared his deep concerns for the action Robinson wrote to Bradford that. Concerning the killing of the poor Indians of which we heard at by first report and since by more certain relation. Oh, how happy thing it had been if you had converted some before you kill any besides where blood is to begin to be shed. It is seldom stanch d- after a long time, you will say they deserved it my granted, but upon what provocation and invite mints by those heathens Christians besides you be no magistrate over there were to consider not whether they deserved. But what you were by necessity constrain to inflict necessities of this, especially of killing so many, and many more is seems, they would if they could I see not me thinks that two principles should have been full enough, according to that approved rule the punishment to a few and the fear too many upon this occasion. Let me be. Old to extort you. Seriously to consider the disposition of your captain, whom I love and persuade the Lord great. Mercy effort much good Heff set you him if you use him Rupp and said, would go on in his letter to give caution to Braford on how much he should trust miles. Standish Robinson was rightly concerned that now that violence had begun in the colony it would be impossible to contain future violence, basically, in argument that bloodshed is a direct cause for more bloodshed. As we will see moving forward tensions from the attack are never really going to go away, as we are going to see in the episodes to come a lasting tension is going to remain long after the attack all of the goodwill built up during those first years through diplomacy, and trade was quickly wiped away any swift blow by miles, Standish the result, not only sees a sharp decline intrigue between the Indians and the pilgrims. But the formation of new alliances between tribes to defend against the new English. This tension is going to avenge become a contributing factor to the war. As for the west colony this, basically marks the end of it, those remaining in the colony ended up Abedin in the entire thing to join English fishing vessels next time. We are going to look at the Plymouth, colony as it moved towards a place of stability, despite the devastation to their trade over the next few years. Plymouth would find it self on an increasingly steady footing. So next time we are going to come back and look at that grow instability, and begin getting the colony ready for the great migration that is just a few years away, as always. I want to thank you all for listening, and I will see you back your two weeks as we continue our journey. Replay.

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FOMO Sapiens Goes to Sesame Street

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FOMO Sapiens Goes to Sesame Street

"Hp are presents. Joan Ganz Cooney. Who CREATED SESAME STREET? Once said to me she was talking to someone else was talking about the elements of luck in our career. That led us to where we are today and she said well. I don't know I don't think it's just luck. She said the difference between those who are really successful and those who aren't is those who went to seize luck that Sherry Weston President of social impact and philanthropy for Sesame Workshop. The nonprofit behind sesame street. I'm your host Patrick McGuinness and this is almost Sabians. Part of the HP presents that work we live in a world of overwhelming options. And whether you're an entrepreneur and executive or just someone who wants to make the most out of your time and money committing to just one thing bill impossible that's called foam. Oh and in short for fear of missing out how do I know because I coined the term and this is Bomo sapiens where leaders and business and beyond share? How they choose what they actually want. Find the courage to miss out on the SAPIENS the shore I ask. Entrepreneurial thinkers how they make personal and professional decisions in a world of overwhelming options. But before we get to the interview. I want to welcome you to season. Four of foam sapiens. Now since we last spoke a lot has happened. The world changed overnight when the onset of the Global Corona Virus Pandemic and its wrought changes upon financial markets. The way we work the way we live. Basically everything has changed very quickly. And I'm actually taping this interview a few weeks before irritates date so by the time you listen to this. I can't even predict what's going to be going on but I can tell you something. I have found this whole experience to be pretty overwhelming and I know most of you have to seems like everybody just trying to figure out what to do with their lives and so as a result we need to find ways to keep going well also making sure to take care of ourselves and our communities since this is top of mind for so many of us. I'm going to spend some time at the end of the show talking about foam. Oh and corona virus specifically how they are linked and how you can fight foam in this time when many of us are locked down at home so stick around for the foam or the show will be discussing that. I also want to start the season by letting you know about my new book. Fear of missing out practical decision making in Wollo overwhelming choice. That's coming out. May Fifth Twenty Twenty in fact you can actually already preorder both the paperback and kindle versions on Amazon. And I'm going to be honest with you. Launching a book in the middle of this crisis has been a very mixed blessing on the one hand. It's hard to talk about anything but corona right now and frankly. Most people aren't even focused on other topics but at the same time I have found it helpful to focus a lot of my energy on trying to get the word out about the book and I also believe that this book could actually really make a difference at a time when decision making his show critical. I've been struggling with my own feelings of someone. Fobel for weeks. Now as the global environment has gotten so complex. I put these strategies and the hacks that are in the book to the test and I'm happy to say that they've actually helped me quite a bit. Even though of course Indecision has become a part of all of our lives. The way that it wasn't a couple of months ago you'll be hearing more about the book what it's got in it and the process of actually writing the book throughout the season But in the meantime so grateful if you consider pre ordering the book and supporting the launch. I know it's crazy time but your support would mean so much to me now. Let's get on with the show. So my guest today is Sherry. Weston and she is a force of nature she runs sesame workshop's social impact in philanthropy efforts across the globe from Latin America and Africa to the Middle East Asia. She also leads sesame successful bid in partnership with the IRC for the Macarthur Foundation's one hundred and change grant. That's one hundred million dollar grant that funded a humanitarian response to bring sesame educational and emotional resources to the Syrian response region. This was followed by another one hundred million dollar grant from the Lego Foundation to expand this work. The Bunga Daesh where sesame works with Hindu refugees? Today we're GonNa talk to Sherry about that work what we're going to actually start somewhere else. I just wanted to hear her story. So she's a graduate of the University of Virginia and she's taking a really interesting path. She worked in the White House as Assistant to the president under George Herbert Walker Bush. Then she moved onto senior roles. Abc and US News and World Report. Now she works for big bird so not many people go from working from the president of the United States to working for big bird and I wonder who's actually harder to work for. Who's more demanding but in doing so? She's gone from the public sector to the private sector and now to the nonprofit sector sort of start out our interview. I wanted to ask sharee the question that I came to my mind when I read her bio and that was how has she worked for so many seemingly different yet really interesting places. Well first of all. I'm old right so I've had a lot of years but You know and there were several steps in between those but those clearly were major ones. I'm look it was always the opportunity and of course there's timing and circumstances in your life that make something the right thing to do at the time When you say how do you get to Sesame Street? That was not a straight path little two years ago. This is where I would end up but you know I came to sesame when I had become a mother and my daughter was three years old and I can't think of a better place to end up then place. That's also focused on. Children and education was a big part of that. I guess that opportunities. I have a small child. Now I understand the you know. It was a huge part of it because I had started to focus more on children's media even when I was at ABC and I had adopted my daughter to children one biological adopted and my first child was adopted and You know I I have always cared a lot about children but I think once I became apparent the thought of my day job and my priority of trying to be a great mom you know or at least attempting It was a wonderful thought to if I could connect those two. Yeah and was you. Think about the connective tissue between these worlds. That you lived in part of it is purpose. I there are some storytelling elements as well but stepping back. Ten thousand feet when you looked at each of these opportunities with or something that that you can sort of extrapolate from all three general sort of theme that that brings them all together. Well you know if you if if you really get me to reflect I think in my earlier years even the White House. Abc You know. I was the youngest person to be confirmed by the Senate. I think there were a lot of jobs I did because I just wanted to prove myself and I kept thinking if I do this. I'll be credible. Sesame was less that you know. Sesame workshop was the first job I really felt like it wasn't just Ohio. Can I refuse this opportunity? Came about and I just have to do it to prove myself. It was more selective in this is where I would like to work. And as you face these big decisions you sit down and make a list of pro and caused you talk to mentors like. I like to think about decision making as factfinding that allows your intuition to do the work that it's supposed to do so it's like can. I succeeded this. Or what's the risk here? What's the unknown I don't have and so then you know for me. Anyway I try to go through a process discovery but then at some point you can talk to as many people as possible. You can try to do as much work in due diligence. You can to uncover what you don't know but at some point there is just an intuition piece so for you as you thought about you know. These opportunities was was just a lot of homework was it was a lot of intuition. Was it just looking as saying you know what what the heck life's too short. This looks interesting. I'M GONNA go for it. You know I think. Sometimes you're making a decision and you're trying to talk the people in your into giving you the advice you want And I certainly always talked to other people and got input but for the most part I think my it was also a strong sort of gut of this is the right move and this is why am I also think in in life there are always times. Where oh my gosh. If I went here this would be great and if I went there that also offers huge opportunities. Which do I do and it isn't that one is the right decision is that you have to make a decision and make it right. You know there will always be trade-offs I imagine as you built your career. You're always meeting New People and getting to know them and telling them who you were and so opportunities would come up. I would imagine over time that you'd be offered all kinds of different things. Some things that were way out of left field some things that were much closer to what you were doing at the time and I always wonder for when you're in those situations and I think it's something we all struggle with like when you do have an opportunity. How do you know this isn't foam? Oh this isn't something. I should actually do win. The world opens doors for you. Which ones do you run through? And which ones you say. Well it's really interesting but you know right now. I gotTA focus over here. Well I don't know I. I think you're right that I've been very fortunate in that. I've met many different people and I've worked in many different circles. Which broadens your horizons and that that is absolutely what led to various opportunities Joan Ganz Cooney who created Sesame Street? Once said to me. She was talking to someone else who was talking about the elements of luck in our career. That led us to where we are today and she said well. I don't know I don't think it's just luck. She said the difference between those who are really successful. And those who aren't is those who know when to seize luck and and. I thought that was so interesting. Because you're right there opportunities that come that you you know. I was certainly never looking for the next thing you know. People talk about networking and how important networking is and I guess it is. I somehow don't really love the the term but but being open to new ideas and new people and new thoughts that is so important in terms of of you know finding your path and I always tell younger people. When they're setting out you know take any job do anything because if you learn you hate it. That was a huge helpful Data point to know that. Actually I don't want to be in that field or I don't really like doing that so it's so helpful what you do like him. What you don't and gravitate towards that path. Yeah it's interesting when I think about about this. This quandary. I've gotten better at saying no as I've gotten to know myself better but there's this piece of wisdom that I got an it's funny we're gonNA unexpected place. It's the show the good wife and there was. I used to watch that show. I think a lot of people did. And it's a it's a really interesting show about a kind of a high achiever in a bunch of high achievers and one of the characters Diane Lockhart says says to one of the other characters Alicia she says when life opens the door for you run through it and I think when you know how to say no to things you build up. The muscles actually better understand win. Something Ray comes along run. Well listen I I will say there certainly were things when I was in my twenties or Thirties. That were foam all like. Oh my gosh. I don't want to miss that the White House correspondents dinner or I want to. You know it'll be so exciting to be there or it my age. It's it is less about missing out on an event it's more about. Can you be everywhere you think should be in order to achieve and do the work you're trying to do and knowing that you absolutely can't and therefore if you don't really prioritize and sort of pace yourself it's not going to be worth it in the long run and so you've had to learn to say no so tell me about that how do you how do you say no to things as you as the as the stakes get higher and you get better and better offers. Well listen I mean I'm I'm I still try to do too much. But I I'm much more selective. I do think as you get older. You don't care about big events like maybe once did but in terms of more personal things. I just do more selective about being with friends. I don't want to spend time with people that just want to Get to know you. I want to spend time with people. I know that I care. You know a lot about. I think you get to a point in life where you're like okay. I know a lot of people now. I know enough people. Don't get to spend time with the people I actually right right and so therefore it's not that I'm the wanted me New People. Now there's a limited amount of time you have so I wanna I wanNA talk a little bit about jumping out of your comfort zone and tell me a story about as for example when you first joined sesame when you when you you had to come out of Your Comfort Zone. Maybe you you were asking somebody to do something like a partner with you on something or you were. Were dealing with somebody and trying to convince them to support your mission and you felt kind of unsure of where to go. I mean I mean listen. I'll tell you when we when we competed for the McArthur hundred and Change Award. Which was the first ever grant of one hundred million dollars to an organization addressing a pressing issue of our time and there were nineteen hundred. Four applicants It was eighteen month process and in the end the final competition was the four finalists would present in front of a room. A ballroom full of people three hundred people and it would be exactly thirty minutes. It's in my mind. It was a cross between A Ted talk and shark tank because at the end of that only one would be standing and I did that with the head of our partner organization the IRC David Mellon and I will say that was absolutely outside my comfort zone because if you screw up this there's one hundred million dollars on the line Oh my gosh that was you know my idea of hell when you when you stepped on that stage and we're gonNA talk about Macarthur in detail because this is really interesting work when you stepped on that stage. I mean I imagine. He took a deep breath. You probably practiced a lot. But what got you from walking out onto that stage to you know delivering the message and feeling good that you that you left believing in the work and I and in you know maybe a prayer or two but also I try really hard to Practice the discipline of gratitude. Yes my children hate when I say that but because I do think even when something is daunting or or Challenging to stop and think Oh my God I should be so grateful for this opportunity. That's incredible and this opens the door to the next sort of area that I wanNA talk about. Which is you know we think about many of us. Think about Sesame Street as our beloved characters. I think Lee favorable to grover. But you know my favorite but don't tell won't but it's a show. It's it's a media company that we have grown up with all over the world and it's their local versions all over the world for listeners. We have a global listenership. People have seen it in their own language in many parts of the world. But it's more you have really chosen an area to focus on an important area. You mentioned earlier this this Macarthur grant one hundred and change grant and that is the response to the refugee crisis and that started in Syria and so in twenty seventeen. Sesame Street It partnered with the International Rescue Committee or the IRC to apply for this grant at one hundred million dollars to bring critical services to children in the Syria response region and this goes down as the largest early childhood intervention in the history of humanitarian response. So this is not a small undertaking. And so I just WanNa start as we talk about decision making and overcoming in uncertainty especially when it's such a daunting amendment this is an organization whereas I mentioned you could do a million different things and you're doing a lot of things. But why did this particular opportunity standard for you? How did it come to the forefront? Well I think the best way to answer that is tobacco. I okay because here. Point Sesame Street has been around for fifty years. We celebrate the fiftieth anniversary last year. So over those fifty years we continue to look at. What are the issues of the day? What what are the challenges facing young children were sesame can play a role to give them the tools to overcome those challenges completely consistent with our DNA to put them on the path to thrive. And so you can imagine over fifty years there have been different issues that have come up over those years And five years ago the largest number of people displaced since World War. Two half of whom we're children. We looked at that and thought. How can we not try to play a role We did not think of ourselves as a humanitarian organization. We are a educational media organization And we've always been a nonprofit. Don't always realize that you know. Sesame has always been a nonprofit created with grants from Ford Foundation Carnegie Corporation which is why the MacArthur was so important. We have to raise the funds to do the work but we felt like we could partner with a humanitarian organization if we could partner with someone who had the services on the ground and knew the needs of refugees as much as we know the needs of young children that we could make a difference. That's what led to our partnership with the IRC and then when we heard about macarthur we we applied and ask the IRC to join us Never Dreaming We would win the grant now. We are normally grateful but it is over five years to organizations so it's not as huge as it may sound but it but it allowed us to call attention to this critical need that the youngest refugees are those who receive the least and yet we know through every bit of research and science that those first five years of life are the most important in terms of a child's trajectory they're healthy brain development and we also know when they experienced trauma that completely derails that healthy development so to partner with an organization where we could create local. Arabic content with these proven engaging muppets and not only reach them through mass media but also create storybooks activities lesson plans content that we could arm the IRC with train them and have them reach the most vulnerable through home visits learning centers health clinics that it would be a powerful model. I watched clips of this show that you create alum Simpson yes clun Simpson. Which means welcome sesame? It's an amazing and you can see these by the way if you go there was a there was a piece that was done in sixty minutes recently about this and what. I love about I is first of all. It's joyful and right wheel and it talks about. There's one child who's you know who had to leave their and so it deals with kids where they are but the other thing that I thought was really really stood out. Is it's innovative. You can. This show feels fresh. And this whole project is innovative. And I think sometimes we think about non-profits and we say oh you know their state or they're too large or whatever this is innovation that's happening and when we have innovation obviously we have to convince people to come along because it's changing the way we do things and sometimes people maybe aren't ready to get involved so I'm curious as you built consensus within sesame workshop to go after this really big opportunity. What were the areas of concern? What were the pushbikes? And how did you get past those to make this happen? Well you know look. I think that it was a departure in the sense that as I said we had not done humanitarian work per se. And by that I mean reaching children in Crisis Settings. Sesame Street was very innovative. I mean who in nineteen sixty nine to prove you could use television to teach was hugely innovative and so today it's about the same goal to reach those children who need us most and in more innovative ways. It's not just television anymore. It's it's an. It's high tech and low tech. I mean I was just in Bangladesh and the Ruhanga camps and there's not Tristan so we battery operated pico projectors to show videos in these play labs we call them. It's just being more innovative in how we continue to reach. The WHO need us most. So imagine you have this. This experience of moving from government into into four profit into the nonprofit world and you're sitting down with a young person he says what's your advice about trade offs. I'm going to have to make. What advice would you give that person about choosing between these potential very different lanes? They build their life. You know I looking back realized that I have so much more experience to draw upon because I've experienced for profit and not for profit and media and government. I will say that when you're younger and have less responsibility or obligation. You don't have children in grade school or you know. I think people should be much more adventurous because there will be times later in life where you simply can't take an opportunity that that that's not a time you could leave or it's not a time you could move your family so You know I do think that you want to take those risks and and adventures when you have the freedom to do so. Yeah you can always do something on the side I mean. Obviously I talked about this a lot in this concept of going all in some of the time. It may be that you have a job that is not has nothing to do with sesame or another organization that maybe filled passion for but you can get involved on the board or listen I when I look back I have always involved been involved with children. Yeah no matter what my career wise I was always either volunteering or really involved in an organization with children. It's something I've always loved so I feel very fortunate today. It's my day Job Sherry. This is a show about choosing what you actually want to do. And then finding the courage to miss out on the. What is your advice to somebody who wants to do exactly that? I think that if you're if you know what you WANNA do. Just do everything. You can Toward that end but pace yourself. I often say in my work everyday. Triage. It's not what I thought I was going to be doing triage but I do. Think that in this digital world we get so distracted by everything coming in at the same level in the same pace that if you know that's what you WanNa do. What are the three most important things to do to get there? And and then analyze what you're spending the Dargie of your time on is to which ones are truly moving that needle that you do sit down and sort of looking at your three. I do I do but I mean I I laugh because on my list of notes of most important things to someone made fun of me wants because I had on the same list one was called Admiral. Mullen who at the time was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff because he was a huge Part of our military family initiative and the second was fined Mr softy truck because I was desperate to find an ice cream truck for my son's like seventh birthday and they looked at this. You Know Note of Admiral Mullen and Mr Frosty and laughed and I said Yeah in bleed number twos more important than number one. We find them together. I don't know how you do that I am. I bet he I mean I've I've actually had the pleasure of meeting him Finally I just want to tell everybody that. Sesame Workshop Sesame Street has the best social media in the world ever okay so if you WANNA brain your day. Just follow the the Sesame Street or sesame workshop on twitter or on facebook all right Sherry Weston from sesame workshop. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you so much for having me. It was so much fun. And now it's time for the foment of the show and today I want to talk about the unfolding corona virus crisis as I've observed impact of Kobe. One thousand nine hundred society. I've seen foams role in several areas. I it's provoking a wave of panic. Buying and this connection has been widely reported in the global press with things like toilet paper being hoarded started in Asia actually in Hong Kong where people were worried that they would be able to get toilet paper. It wouldn't be exported from China so they started buying out of concern than it would be hard to find. This moved on to other places like Australia. In fact there was a company called who gives a crap which is an e commerce company. Which makes ECO friendly toilet paper and they reported that their sales grew by eight hundred percent overnight. And they basically ran out of stock. Here's the irony. They actually make the toilet paper in China. If you're really worried about the supply chain and the fact that wouldn't get out of China. They were not the right producer for you actually. They didn't even have any issues with their supply chain. And then it moved on to the United States and Europe and we saw people going out and buying toilet paper in huge quantities. And I have to admit I actually did that too so I was there this panic buying well number one. There's this perception out there that maybe you'd have trouble getting toilet paper because of what you read in the news and on social media and so this is a way for us to exert control and feel like somehow we're doing something in the face of a lot of uncertainty so panic buying is bad but it's really bad when it comes to things like. Purell and masks that people need professionals need at hospitals and other settings. And if they can't get them and you've got a bunch of your closet at home it's not good for society it's a misallocation of resources and it's just not good citizenship. Now beyond panic buying also see foam on the fact that some people just aren't willing to stay home. We've been talking about social distancing for a couple of weeks here in our society and in order to socially distance yourself from people you can't be out in public and big groups and so when you have foam. Oh that's especially hard for you. And there's all kinds of different ways to combat that from doing conference calls the your friends to calling people up on the phone but obviously if you have a lot of foam oh doesn't feel good and finally the third way that fumble was playing out in corona virus is the fact that lots of people are addicted to news. And when you have foam Oh and you check twitter all day or other social media or your favorite network of choice all day and immerse yourself information. You may be informed but obviously not good for your state of mental health that said despite the negative effects of foam O- on our mindset psyche during this time of difficult challenges. I also think that there's an opportunity to realize that although there might not yet be a cure for corona virus innocence there may be a new cure for foam and that is krona virus because now we are forced to withdraw and stay home and think about doing the things that maybe we always wanted it to but never did before and that may be reading. A bunch of the books piled up watching TV show spending quality time with family learning a new hobby all sides of things and so it's actually an opportunity to make lemonade out of. Lemons DOES NOT GOING TO BE EASY. And lots of people are going to suffer. However if you're healthy and stuck at home and you're wondering how to spend your days try to think of something good that you can do with your time and keep this in mind as well when something bad happens. Oftentimes we think about the stress that it creates in the fact that there's oftentimes post traumatic stress. But I read a couple of books over the last few months that have made me think that actually sometimes we face stress. We can come out better on the other side. There's a great book called flourish by Martin. Seligman a great book called the happiness advantage by Shawn Acor and both talk about something called Post Traumatic Growth. Which is when you face the challenge and come out on the other side better than where you came from. Check out those books. Maybe you can add them to your list while you're staying at home so the next month are not going to be easy but I can offer you my support until you one thing we're gonna get together Sapiens so definitely check out the books I mention and take care of yourself and let me know how you're dealing with social isolation you can tweet me at PG McGinnis or semi email. Let's connect the Patrick McGuinness dot com foam. If you have an idea for the moment of the show or you have a question reach out to me at. Let's connect the Patrick McGuinness dot com or semi tweet at PJ McGuinness also. You can order my new book. Fear of missing out practical decision making in a world of overwhelming choice at Amazon or my website Patrick McGuinness dot com where you can also take the official foam savings diagnostic and find out if your Homo sapiens boneless. Apn's is part of the HR percents network theme. Music is my Mike. Mcginnis and editing in post production is by Josh. If you today show please be sure to read recommend that it's spotify tunes and as always you can find me at pack. Hogan's DOT COM.

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