20 Episode results for "Western Tennessee"
Monitor Show 01:00 03-28-2021 01:00
"Pay all there's rookie here. A lot of people ask me what inspires your music and one of the big things is a strong sense of place. That's why. I love my home state of south carolina and want to share the awesome things that has to offer from the beautiful mountains down to the sunny coast. If got an all not to mention to my personal favorite great gulf and amazing food. Come see why love this place. Visit discover south. Carolina dot com bloomberg. Quick take this is bloomberg radio. More severe weather is plugging parts of the country. As more than a dozen. Tornadoes touched down and the southern united states between late saturday and early sunday. The severe weather occurred between eastern texas. Arkansas and western tennessee high winds and hail were reported across the smokey mountain region. There are reports of structural damage with trees downs but so far no reports of any injuries. One person is dead and six others or in the hospital after multiple. People were stabbed north vancouver on saturday afternoon. The incident occurred shortly before two pm around the lynn valley library. One person who is still has been arrested. Police say the suspect was known and had a criminal record however they say his motive is unknown to people are dead after separate shootings and stabbings around new york city on saturday a show. Bala has more cops say eighteen year. Old boy was stabbed to death on west. One hundred eighty first street in washington heights. In broad daylight the victim managed to flag down an ambulance but did not survive the attack. which is.
Monitor Show 10:00 03-28-2021 10:00
"Pay all there's rookie here. A lot of people ask me what inspires your music and one of the big things is a strong sense of place. That's why. I love my home state of south carolina and want to share the awesome things that has to offer from the beautiful mountains down to the sunny coast. If got an all not to mention to my personal favorite great gulf and amazing food. Come see why love this place. Visit discover south carolina dot com and at bloomberg quick take. This is bloomberg radio now. A global news update nashville is under a flash flood. Emergency is a powerful storm. Dubs heavy rain on parts of tennessee. Cnn says some residents have been clinging to trees and taking refuge in their addicts because of rising floodwater. The national weather service in nashville says major flash flooding is occurring with numerous roads interstates and homes flooded with water. Rescues ongoing their report on social media called it a life threatening situation and urged people not to travel there are no reports of injuries is more than a dozen. Tornadoes touched down in the seven united states. Between saturday and early sunday the severe weather occurred between eastern texas into arkansas and western tennessee. There is reports that structural damage and trees down officials say the colorado mass shooting suspect has been relocated to another detention center because of safety concerns and threats matt madison reports. Twenty one year old. Ahmed lisa may face additional attempted murder charges in the coming weeks. Boulder county's district attorney says they're still trying to figure out a motive for the crime. Lisa allegedly shot and killed ten people at a king super store in boulder on monday. I'm at madison. One of the victims and the friday night. Virginia beach shootings was.
Monitor Show 07:00 03-28-2021 07:00
"Pay all there's rookie here. A lot of people ask me what inspires your music and one of the big things is a strong sense of place. That's why. I love my home state of south carolina and want to share the awesome things that has to offer from the beautiful mountains down to the sunny coast. If got an all not to mention to my personal favorite great gulf and amazing food. Come see why love this place. Visit discover south carolina dot com and and bloomberg dictate. This is bloomberg radio now. A global news update owners in the south central. Us will be cleaning up. Property damage after tornadoes ripped through the area. Saturday over a dozen twisters were reported but major population centres were spared in. There were no reports of deaths or injuries. There are reports of structural damage and trees down most of the storms. Were in eastern arkansas. East texas and western tennessee. Were also hit police in virginia. Beach you're still in the fax gathering stages at the two murders. That happened in ocean. Front on friday nights jim. Forbes has the latest reality star shale. A harris was killed after being shot near nineteenth street. Virginia beach police chief paul newgate described her as an innocent victim and his press conference saturday night. Meanwhile the second death and officer involved shooting of twenty five year old. Jonathan lynch has more questions while there was a gun found in the area of lynch. There's no evidence it was held by owned by the twenty five year. Old black man. Also the officer did not have his body camera on at the time of the fatal shooting. The chief said there was not probable cause to arrest the officer. New york's attorney general is issuing subpoenas in the investigation of sexual harassment claims.
Monitor Show 04:00 03-28-2021 04:00
"If trying to figure out the future of your business is keeping you up at night. are you seeing. come back at all. At least you have company. What do you make of the most recent virus headlines. How should labor respond hyping political pressure. Experts information breaking news all day. All night everywhere. Do you expect the euro to continue to strengthen. Why even have this hearing bloomberg radio. The bloomberg business happened bloombergradio dot com bloomberg. The world is listening ours a day at bloomberg dot com on the bloomberg business app and bloomberg. Quick take this is bloomberg radio now. A global news update many residents are breathing a sigh of relief on what could have been a devastating storm. Now some homeowners will be inspecting the damage done to their homes. after another busy day of tornadoes. There were more than a dozen saturday but no reports of deaths or injuries as the storm's missed major population centres. Most of the storms were in eastern arkansas but east texas and western tennessee. We're also hit further east residents and the smoky mountains so a lot of rain and in some cases hail there are reports of structural damage in trees down in the areas where the fifteen tornadoes struck. A suspect is dead after taking a corrections officer hostage in oklahoma city this weekend. Mat mattison has more. The unidentified victim was attacked just after four pm while handing out medication when at least one inmate grabs his radio and keys before freeing other inmates in the pod according to oklahoma county sheriff. Tommy johnson the third officer.
Part 2 Where did Billy go
"Welcome to kids myths and mysteries. I'm your host Ken Chrome today I continue the story where to billy go on Monday I related the story because it was one of the strangest I've ever run into in great detail it is basically the story of cabin dot com well this kid chrome thanks for listening but someone must have known him between the time he was discovered in Tennessee in his incarceration in the federal prison I started this new search with child protective physical description I had an interesting story and a series of events that linked together giving it credence but nothing really solid dealing with I received a response twelve hours later but not from William a man of few words emailed me asking what my interest was William Falstaff Security Federal Prison in Illinois my problem prisons are notoriously tight lipped when it comes to giving out information about prisoners I submitted assisted living in Apache Junction Arizona had turned me onto billy's last name I only found one falstaff in the region reexamined my progress since first scanning the F. B. I. Reports realized that I'd been conducting what amounted to a missing persons case surprise today's wandering across a civil war battlefield fifteen hundred miles distant in southwestern Tennessee this was the several emails I determined I was communicating with an agent of the FBI William had escaped just days after my form was received requesting tame falstaff this was a name I related on Monday I discovered from William Howard who had been there ninety four years old the individual had no connection through contact with law enforcement and CIC was checked one William falstaff was Marian penitentiary a media. We'll be talking about more this more later what I wanted to do because this story was so bizarre is take you through some of the details I went through in order phone calls receiving emails does not truly make a story but I just couldn't Leonard Trump I assumed that billy's parents were deceased or at least out of the picture who validate this as a real story and try and make sense of it we ended on Monday with things getting better and better as far as all of the details and Oh my last effort at communicating with him was a letter addressed to William falstaff care of Marian Federal Prison Forty Five Hundred Prison Road Illinois on the right upper thigh fading and thought to have been caused by something when he was quite young this was my boy but I figured I'd taken the story as far as I could Eddie battles I contact museum at Shiloh military part for any information on children involved in the battle next I placed ads several newspaper form requesting physical characteristics or scars received a brief description the could have been anyone but was rewarded when the description included a scar services I in Arizona then Tennessee all people that might have been involved we're retired now records had archived and for the most part sealed dead end I put knowledge that a doctor had removed civil war era many ball from billy STI- out of my mind it just seemed to weird still I decided had related to how I punched billy's h into my calculator added the elapsed seven years from nineteen eighty two when he vanished to twenty nineteen to come up with his age side of the Shiloh national military park he was discovered by tourists taking it to who identified a distant figure as lucky knock a child and he take a look at children involved in the civil war it was a simple search to determine the preteens as young as ten were often horse and wagon tenders never really fought it forty eight but I stopped short of putting the calculator away because he vanished April six thousand nine hundred eighty two exactly to the day one hundred twenty years since the battle of Shiloh and I left you on Monday with the comment I had to find billy assuming he'd take it back dares ONA I ran a check on the in both Tennessee and Arizona asking for information on a William or Billy falstaff I actually received a call a few days later from Virginia Hall Staffs and that they've been transferring him from Marian a medium security prison to a minimum security and when the bus arrived he wasn't on board after a few awkward moments I continue my questions this was not a happy person and after a few questions she let me know in no uncertain terms that it was going to cost me breath billy sister Jackpot my first question was the most difficult did she know the billy at escaped from prison she laughed and said he hadn't escaped they lost him Xinyu I let her go in thirty seven years he must have had a girlfriend I felt I could put together bill character I might be able to track visuals and we'll certainly bring up my podcast as I reached a true conclusion in case you didn't hear what went on a Monday with the first portion of the billy goat I'll do a quick recap because this is truly an odd story this is a story of an eleven year old boy who vanished from just outside Tucson eras By employment the problem was what I did in Arizona I had to do in Tennessee and that's where the story ends for now I'm still waiting to hear from certain across a civil war battlefield fifteen hundred miles distant and south western Tennessee the site was the Shiloh national military park he was discovered Jonah while performing performing in front of twenty two adult witnesses he was doing some tricks on his bicycle he was discovered seventy two hours later watering turris taking a tour who identified a distant figures looking like a child the Erie part is he was treated not only for shock but they removed a civil war era many ball from his upper thigh at one point in the story I describe how I punched Billy's age into my calculator at this point I'm still waiting for a firm
A special story of a Paranormal Time Slip
"Welcome to night owl. Sound studio stories that will take you into the wee hours of the night listening spellbound while a voice guide you into the world of the unknown terrifying perplexing trip through shimmering veil called the paranormal follow detectives george and marian killed in a bus to goes south. Who have left this mortal coil yet. Still walked the earth as ghost detectives each week canoe story that will take you into the unknown world of the paranormal ghost. Detective book to the wolf in prefix. Close will be aired tomorrow. I i have a story for you today. That is so far beyond being paranormal. That it goes into the realm time slip over the past decade. I've research hundreds literally hundreds of stories of the strange in paranormal. And this one stands out now decided that as so involved that i would like to take you through the steps. I went through to validate the reality of this story now. I validated each story over the years with research that involve police or f. b. i. Reports correspondence with firsthand witnesses. And occasionally i talked with individuals had experienced the unbelievable event in the rare event that i consult the internet. I will locate three sources. Who do not know each other but have cooperating. Testimonial during the research process i've been told to cease and desist by law enforcement. I've been hung up on. I've received emails telling me to back off for the most part. The reasons have been that the individual or family member doesn't want to rehash details of what to them disturbing event the podcast. Where did billy go is by far the most bizarre story. I've ever run across and investigated because it is so unbelievable. I have decided to relate to steps. I've taken in an effort to help you make sense of it all and make you a believer. This is a story of an eleven year. Old boy who vanished from just outside tucson arizona. While performing in front of twenty two adult witnesses he was discovered seventy two hours. Later watering across a civil war battlefield. Fifteen hundred miles. Distant and south western tennessee. The site was a shiloh national military park. He was discovered by a tourist who was taking a tour. An identified a distant figures. Lucky like a child more on this in a minute. It all started. When i was scouring some thirty-seven-year-old f. b. i. files. I had lucked out in a long time hoping to find something intriguing. When i noticed under the child. Abduction section the case involving a young boy he'd been abducted in nineteen eighty two from his arizona residents and located three days later in south western tennessee watering in a state park. What caught my eye is. This wasn't marked as a kidnapping and there was no ransom. Call the fbi were brought in. When the child was discovered in another state. I managed to get my hands on a heavily redacted police report anything vissel has been archived and is available on special website that i do have access to anyway. The report related how the victim and for the children were in a field performance jumps and by tricks on their stingray bicycles. Remember this about nineteen eighty two. The report described that the children had delta ramp. Each would perform a jump over a stack tires. The twelve tourists. Visiting the town of oatman arizona and twenty two residents including the children's parents or an attended seated on homemade bleachers. The victim was the last to make. The jump is by crashed on the other side of the tires but he had vanished before i go any further you need to know that police and fbi reports made available to the public and investigators like myself are cryptic to say the least heavily abbreviated redacted especially when a child is involved often. There are more black and lines than there are complete sentences. I contacted as many residents of what is virtually a ghost town or the town of open arizona of twelve phone calls and several emails. I had one hit after fifteen minutes of small talk. Mrs jones said she remembered the incident written up and said the boy's name was billy something. I promise not to use her name. That's why the mrs jones. She also confided. Did i should talk to william howard who she thought saw the boy vanish another couple of phone calls. I located mister howard in assisted living center outside apache junction arizona. He was ninety five years old but very alert and after much probate was able to remember. Billy's last name falstaff. He said like the beer. After contacting the county sheriff's department and the office of the fbi located in phoenix and coming up empty. My next move was to contact the folks that oversee the tours of the shiloh state military park in tennessee were billy was found again. Nothing with no other ideas. I reluctantly decided to bag the story. Four days after making that decision i received an email from escondido california wanting to know how my investigation into billy staff was going. The email came from a woman whose father had passed away. Recently to events prompted her to contact me. I at the funeral were several re-enactors of the battle of shiloh. Who were on the tour when billy was spotted and they had heard about my inquiries and related them to her second awe through her father's notes files and journals. She discovered that he was the doctor. That treated billy at this. I assumed that the boy might have been treated for shock and said rather than actually emailed as much her response. Knocked me out of my chair. Her father had removed a civil war era. Many ball from the boys. Upper thi- i email back asking if she met bullet. Her response was emphatic. No it was a mini ball and she had found wrapped in wax. Paper stapled to the top of a journal explaining the injury. I asked her if she could take a picture that journal. And the mini ball and send it to me. This was just getting better and better. I punched billy's age. Into my calculator of the elapsed thirty seven years from nineteen. Eighty two two twenty-nine teen when i actually doing this story. Obviously a few years ago. And i came up with his current age of forty eight but stop short of putting a calculator away. He vanished april six. Nine thousand nine hundred eighty two exactly to the day april six eighteen sixty to a hundred and twenty years since the battle of shiloh. I had to find. Billy assuming he'd been taken back to arizona radicek on the name falstaff. I only found one in the region and the individual had no connection through contact with law enforcement and cic checked. I found one. William falstaff was marian and attention medium security prison in illinois. My problem prisoner notoriously tight lipped when it comes to giving out information about prisoners. I submitted a form. Requesting physical characteristics or scars received a brief description. That could have been anyone but was rewarded when the description included a scar on the right upper thoai fading and thought to have been caused by something when he was quite young. This was my boy. But i figured i'd taken the story as far as i could. My last effort at communicating with him was a letter addressed to william falstaff cara marian. Federal prison forty five hundred prison road. I received a response twelve hours later. But not from william a man of few words emailed me asking what my interest in william falstaff was to several emails. I determined i was communicating with an agent of the fbi. William had escaped just days after my form was received requesting a physical description. I had an interesting story. The series of events that linked together giving it credence but nothing really solid dealing with phone calls. Receiving emails does not truly make a story. But i just couldn't let it drop. I assume that billy's parents were deceased or at least out of the picture but someone must have known him between the time. He was discovered in tennessee. And his incarceration in the federal prison. I started this new search with child protective services. I in arizona then in tennessee while people might have been involved for retired or deceased and all records had been archived and for the most part sealed. Dead end i reexamined my progress since first scanning the fbi reports are realized that i've been conducting what amounted to a missing person case. Surprise that i put knowledge that a doctor had removed a civil war era. Many ball for billy sti- out of my mind is just seemed to weird still. I decided to take a look at children. Involved in the civil war was a simple search to determine that preteens as young as ten were often horse and wagon tenders. Never really fought any battles. I contacted the museum at the shiloh military part for any information on children involved in the battle next. I placed ads in several newspapers in both tennessee at arizona. Asking for information. On william or billy falstaff. I actually received a call a few days later. From virginia falstaff smith billy sister jackpot her so i thought my first question was the most difficult. Did she know the billion escaped from prison. She laughed and said he hadn't escaped. They'd lost him that they were transferring him from marian that medium security prison to a minimum security and when the bus arrived he wasn't on board after a few awkward moments. I continue by question. This was not a happy person and after a few questions she let me know in no uncertain terms that it was going to cost me to continue. I let her go in thirty seven years. He must have had a girlfriend. I felt if i could put together. Billy's character i might be able to track by employment. The problem was what i did in arizona. I had to do in tennessee. The heavy knock at my door pulled me away from my computer. Check the time. It was almost six. I opened the door and stood facing a young man of about thirty. The could have been a salesman. Telly opened his mouth. I talked virginia. Who said you might be willing to pay for information on her brother. I didn't make the connection for a minute. We just stared at each other. Oh billy i said yeah what do you want to know. Can't pay anything what i told him he made. It face told me not to worry about it. How'd you know billy. I knew who he was. He sat on the bus in front of me. You will be transferred to a minimum security facility. Right that's right. He said he was a real easy going guy. He said didn't talk much. He ever mentioned an event in his childhood. If you're asking about how he got shot in the leg yeah. The following is from the follow up. I did on billy falstaff. I brought the listening audience up to date member. I originally investigated this story and aired it and twenty nineteen so to bring you up to date and eleven year. Old boy named billy five friends who performed tricks on their bicycles in front of a small group of adults from the little town where he lived banished when it came to raising up a homemade ramp to jump over some tires. Billy was the last. Billy made it up the ramp over the tires but when the bike came down it was without billy billy had vanished. His hometown was opened arizona. Billy was found three days later wandering among gravestones. Shiloh national cemetery tennessee. Okay found the story really interesting but it was thirty seven years old. It was an old case of the ducks of deduction. At least that's what the f. b. i. called. I let it drop before days. After making that decision. I was contacted by a woman whose father had treated billy and pull the civil war era many ball from his upper thigh side from being totally blown away. By that fact. I jumped back on the research wagon. I had to find billy. I managed to trace him to a minimum or medium security prison in illinois. Shortly after i located his residency was in the process of being transported to a minimum security facility. Loaded special transport. Bus thirteen other prisoners. But when the bus arrived as destination. Billy was not on board kit odd. Brings you up to date with a little. Repeat information on. The story came to me in pieces over a period of a couple months. I communicated with billy sister who wanted to be paid for information on him. She did provide a picture of him just before he was arrested and incarcerated once again. I'd hit a dead end. That is until. I was visited my office and ashland oregon by tony gale. He was billy cellmate and had been on the bus with. Billy also sat across from the isle. Although initially i have been told that he sat behind billy anyway. He'd gotten the name from billy's sister with whom he had been in touch. The only thing. I got out of mr galas at billy. Always said that he was a child or the civil war when they were lined up. Ready to be checked onto the bus. Billy told him that he'd never make it after a number of phone calls. I determined that. Billy was definitely checked onto the bus and the bus had made no stops and was manned by an experienced driver in two guards and was followed by an escort vehicle. Great i was back to the question. Where to billy go before the story go. I decided to the picture of billy as a young man to the daughter of the doctor who extracted the mini ball from billy sti- again. I was ready to bag the story that i received a phone call not an email but a phone call from us veneto california. It was the daughter of the doctor that had treated billy. I was thunderstruck. When she said she'd found him in the shiloh bookstore across from the national cemetery on the back wall were dozen photos of union soldiers. She told me they were in various states of dress including the drummer. She took a picture with their iphone. Emailed it to me as an attachment. There was no mistaking that the drummer was billy. But the shocker was the name below the photo read union drummer billy. Falstaff killed at the battle of pittsburg landing april seven th eighteen sixty two but she went one step further and visited the shiloh national cemetery and found a headstone. Billy falls down born eighteen. fourteen died eighteen. Sixty two that would make him. Forty eight years old the same age as the billy falls doubt that had vanished from the prison bus of the four hundred plus podcasts stories that i- aired as kiss myths and mysteries true mysteries of the pacific northwest. I ended up doing more research on this one story than any other. I know many skeptics of this story. So i'll put down some facts oatman arizona where eleven year old. Billy vanished in front of twenty two adult witnesses. Nineteen eighty two is now a tourist ghost town with a population of one hundred. Twenty eight the only witness to the vanishing william howard. I could locate. Was ninety four at the time i talked to him but has since passed away that billy vanished from the prison. Bus could be explained away. I guess but what can't be explained in. This is his picture in the bookstore and the headstone with his name in the shiloh cemetery. Of course there is also the civil war era many ball there was taken from the upper thiab and eleven year old boy found wandering the cemetery fifteen hundred miles from or the fbi said he was abducted and there is your paranormal time slips story for monday be sure to listen tomorrow to goes detective book to the wolf in priests close. Thanks for listening.
Born A Deplorable: Southern values & culture meets a northern factory town.
"White trash sigma. DIXIELAND! The place that I grew up look carefully at the street signs and Dixieland. Subdivision streets are named after noble poets. Tennyson Milton Bryant Browning. Modest. Gray Cape Cod style houses. Built in nineteen, fifty three is where we called home was located in the Dixie land subdivision in the south in the flint. Arriving in this world is the firstborn son of a family of hillbillies. The odds are very high. My life would be spent on the shop floor where Buick cars were assembled. My pedigree likely adds up to that of the northern Hillbilly. The. History of southern Hillbilly migrants was distinct in part. Because of their lack of ownership of the land. Over American history hillbillies be defined as a group of landless people. My family history is one of typical American sharecroppers. Dad was born in Paris Tennessee a small town in emery county in western Tennessee. That was a long ways from the Eiffel Tower. It is today known as the home of Hank Williams Junior. It was a confederate county. With their rented farms. It's poor soil. They experience depression before the Great Depression like many other sharecroppers, they migrated and ended up in Paraguay Arkansas. Was Not particularly remarkable about the neighborhood where I grew up except that the entire subdivision was built on top of a swampy. General Motors site. Subdivision sits just a city block from a former arsenal democracy. Fisher body number one a General Motors Automobile Factory. This automobile factory was converted to making tanks and armaments to support our nation's war efforts. In World War Two. GM use land were my parents brand. New Hall now sits atop. As a as a dump in Lance over hazardous waste. We're talking heavy metals and chemicals. Dangerous stuff like leaded paints, lacquers and other harmful chemicals. GM painted cars Nado parts at Fisher. Body, number one. The chemical waste dumped in the DIXIELAND subdivision. Was the excess of an automotive painting and coating operation. The dixieland subdivision developer was able to build homes in certain areas because the ground was too unstable. And swampy. The polluted swamp land became a park. And playground. They called it windy. Eight Park. School board even built two school buildings at top the dumpsite site. The top that off with the playground of directly next to the chemically lay swamp. For little kids to play. That is where I first learned about science and discovering living creatures. Little did I know at the time. Fifty years before the flint water crisis. These types of chemical contaminants could resolve in lifetime harm to the health of children. My Dad joined the army. Air Corps leaving Arkansas after his graduation in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, seven, eventually arrived in Flint Michigan in Nineteen fifty-three, where he met and married my mother. My Mother's family arrived in Flint from the south in the early nineteen twenties. Kentucky and Missouri. dixieland subdivision wasn't fire from dixie highway. which is nearby, which is the nearest highway headed south down home to America's Hillbilly. Heaven US kids used to affectionately call it. My Mom Anna was a tall, red head, very engaging jokester. And and chat timber. She occasionally referenced herself as Big Mama. I never used that term to describe my mom. She attended flint public schools graduating from flint central. She hired into the GM. Auto Factory and worked at Fisher, body number one just three blocks from my home. Back in the day, they hired women to come and so upholstery for the brand new cars. She later transferred to turn instead a GM parched land on the north side of Flint. That factory had jobs for women that did not require the physicality. Of the assembly line. She eventually took advantage of GM's thirty years out in term plan. Mom was a union GAL. She lived her Teenage Years Flint during the great, depression. She was a teenager during the flint. Sit down strikes or loyalty to the U.. A. W. was born. During the UAW's historic fight for recognition to collectively bargain for auto work workers. Mom looked to the U. A. W. for protection in the auto factories of Flint. Life for women. Flint's auto factories was Nabis back in her day. Backbreaking Work Sexual harassment. And economic uncertainty in the nineteen fifties, sixties took its toll on my mom. Mom Was not robbed in union politics. After her retirement. Aaron Dad took advantage of many w activities such as luncheons, the annual UAW picnic and travel opportunities. They spent some time that the UAW Andre Treat and conference center Black Lake in northern Michigan the also spent time at the UAW retirement center in Stuart Florida. Dad was honorably discharged from the United States air force and found his way to flint. During his twelve years of military service. My Dad served during World War Two and the Korean conflict as he used to call it. Dad served in the strategic air command. The unit of the Air Force where our nation's nuclear bombers assigned. My Dad climbed up the ladder. Of The elisted ranks, and eventually was a non commissioned officer assigned to administrative duties with the Inspector General's office. Dad Developmental Health problems in the military and took the drinking. Becoming an alcoholic. Dad was based at Warner robins. Air. Base in Macon Georgia near Macon Georgia for nearly twelve years. Military Determined Dad to have service connected disability. Was One hundred percent disabled, according to the Veterans Administration. The government consider my siblings and myself were orphans. As such entitled various stipends and Educational Benefits. We are beneficiaries Michigan Veterans Trust Fund. Dad spoke with a strong Tennessee drawl. He loved country, music and dancing. When he got drunk. He sang songs of Ernest tubbs Tennessee. Ernie Ford Marty Robbins. He also sang religious hymns for some crazy reason. It was a country boy and he was proud of. Tracing back my family roots to the Cumberland's Kentucky in the hills of Tennessee, it turns out the great uncles, so both my mom and my Dad's side of the family fought against one another in that awful civil war. Yes, brother against brother. How crazy is that? My great GRANDPA. Allen A my Dad's side of the family. Tree were slave owners as where some relatives on my mom's side of the family. My Family took up arms against each other. If we think America's divided today, think about the conflicts between Americans in eighteen sixty five. I there. We're taking a break for our sponsor anchor DOT FM. Let me tell you a bit about anchor They have a creation tool set are free like you can. Create your own podcast using an edit that podcast using your phone or your computer. They'll distribute your podcast for you on spotify Apple. Or many other. podcast hope hosts, and you may even make money off your podcasts. With no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make podcast in one place. Download anchor for free. By getting their APP AT ANCHOR DOT FM to get started and we're using it, and hopefully he will to thank you very much and will resume our our program. My grandparent's. Then moved to Paraguay Arkansas. My Dad played football for the Paraguay high school bulldogs. Graduated from high school dare. Like many southern voice at the time, he enlisted in the Army Air Corps. which eventually became the United States Air Force? Ever there was a lifeline sent to me by God it was at my grandparents, moved from Paraguay Arkansas and bought a home just short a short distance from my parents home in the dixieland subdivision. I was able to ride my bike or walk to their house. My Aunt Johnny Francis bought a house next to my GRANDPA and grandma him. Grandparent's and I were very close I spent hours in their shaded front yard. With their lawn chairs bided you to sit a spell. Say would say they're Cape Cod. Style home did not have typical southern front porch where Hillbilly Song Court. No matter my grandparents put their lawn chairs in the shape. Of the big trees in the front yard, inviting anyone to join them. My grandparents. Lorenzo and Mandy rose moved to flint. Be Closer to their children. They were sharecropper. Migrants steeped in southern culture. The first thing in the southern migrant does went arriving in northern city is fine the first Baptist Church. They did just that. My grandparents were deeply religious. They went to church every Sunday. GRANDPA has had his dress hat grandma their Sunday best. They read. The Bible and they live by what it said. There were serious. They were serious about their religion neither smoked nor drank alcohol. I asked Grandpa one day if he ever chew tobacco smoke and he told me that he would take a leaf off the tobacco plants on his farm, chewing tobacco sometimes. My grandma may have done snuff I saw little lips pursed that tobacco baulch. They were comical in their bickering. Using southern. Phrases and cloak wisdom's. That had my sister night rolling up floor. After leaving their house, we continued the Fund by imitating their comedy show in home. We tried using every phrase and Hillbilly word. We could could towards each other in our skits. We perfected the southern. That's of Tennessee folks. What great, fun. We knew our grandparents were different than. And we are trying to figure it out as we grew up. Hours Leasing Lanky man. Who took a walk every day after's meal? He was a southern Democrat. He watched the Chet. Huntley David Brinkley. Evening News show without fail on his black and white television it sat. He was measured man. He rarely expressed his opinions about politics. He never used curse words as he called them. GRAMMA was not so. Interested in the Evening News, she taught me and so. I tried her version of bribery with various degrees of success. She taught me how to use a thimble. It seemed like such an odd gadget. Long Grandma Bush. Bushes House was a place of retreat when things got too hot at home. That is when my dad got in sometimes file. with US kids and we had to leave. Fortunately we had calm and say play store, and at grandma Bush's. Grandparents were constantly advised me not to go the way in the bottle. That is liquor the liquor bottle. They were disappointed in my dad's lifestyle choices not seeming to understand mental. Over my childhood they taught me, not divy allies liquor bottle for smoking cigarettes. They were in essence. Teaching me to make my dad knocked. Make my dad my role model. My aunt, Johnny Frances Dad's sister would chide and top my dad for his bullying behaviors. Drinking was as if my family was teaching me not to develop my father. As MY ROLE MODEL Over time I learned that they were wise to guide me to steer clear of that, which causes you to San of course? I pledged to them that I would never smoke cigarettes. That was an easy thing to do. It didn't take GRANDPA. Take GRANDPA's lessons about liquor. Tinder stand, our wellness was to our family. Back then I hated alcohol because it stole my dad for. GRANDPA and grandma found their last name. B. U. S. H.. But? Dad Spells his name. Be You as C. H.. One day like curiosity required an explanation as to why that had a different last name. Grandma explained. When Dad joined the military? They messed up the spelling of his last name. On his papers. And he was too shy or afraid to crack them. By the time is uniform was issued, and he received his dog tags. Dad figured it out. It was too much trouble to change all that. And so be it. That's the main change. The guess dislike that. That's not. GRANDPA and grandma didn't really seemed upset about Dad's involuntary name change. They seem to in retrospect to get the issue as just another less serious crazy thing like that did took south. MOM's interest in the south was and unceasing. She showed her children at different side of Hillbilly. She showed us the sophistication of the deep South which she often visited as a younger woman, she stressed working class values, hard work, being polite, getting a job and education. Getting an education was without any question, the number one value. My mother instilled in me. There was never any doubt that no matter how poor we were. How stressed out my by MY DAD's antics! That we were going to go to college. That's it. My mom had a pension for sewing roses. And made the best ever fried chicken, sausage, gravy and biscuits. My mom loved all things southern except Whiskey, which viewed as the devil's brew. It made my dad's super crazy and at times violent. Mom to was the daughter of hillbillies. But that didn't make her unsophisticated my GRANDPA. Are There Walter York. After whom I was name was from Kentucky and my grandma want My. York was for Missouri. GRANDPA Arthur was an entrepreneur owning a small business while we're careful time at the Buick tar plan I don't even remember much about my mops, parents other than. My GRANDPA Arthur York was tall and doting. My grandma lodge work like snuff, capture share, but. I was rather young when they died. I didn't get it why Bramley York founded necessary that do snap. My big. Sister Carol told me it was a southern thing. That was enough to satisfy my curiosity back then. MOM loved to sing. She loved the antebellum south with its beautiful homes, gardens and flowers. She loves southern Gourmet. Best of all. She knew all the great Broadway and American Song. I fondly remember her teaching me to sing. A confederate Song Dixie! Nineteenth Century. Songs cemented the American Reference Dixie to the southern United States. A. Tree. Agree. To.
The Vanishingn Case of Billy Falstaff
"Welcome to catch myths and mysteries. I'm your host kid chrome four months ago. I did a story called where to billy go. Usually my stories stories have a beginning middle and an end and kind and his kind of a conclusion in this particular case here just four months later and I've received an interesting email that I will reveal on Friday. Today is Wednesday the twenty second and I want to re tell the story and some of my methods for for collecting information and doing research and on Friday. I will reveal a very interesting response to this story that I think will surprise you because certainly certainly surprised me since I first began this podcast. True mysteries at the Pacific northwest. I've renamed it kiss miss and mysteries because I ran out of strange H.. Mysteries in the Pacific northwest did about one hundred fifty. I've done over two hundred stories. At this point they've ranged from vampires sitting in Oregon to you flying saucers in the school yard in Australia. I've validated each story with research that involve police or F. B. I.. Reports correspondence with firsthand. Witnesses this is an occasionally. I talked or emailed with individuals that experienced an unbelievable that in the rare event that I consult the Internet Internet. I will locate three sources. Do not know each other but have corroborating testimonial during the research process I've been told to cease and desist by law enforcement mm-hmm and attorneys. I've been hung up on. I've received emails telling me to back off for the most part. The reasons have been at the individual or family member. Doesn't I don't want to rehash details. What to them was a disturbing event? So today's podcast. As I mentioned talk of this podcast is why did four months is ago and have just our received an interesting response which I will reveal Friday the twenty fourth. But today's story where billy go is by far the most bizarre story I have run across because it is so unbelievable. I decide to relate some of the steps I've taken in an effort to make sense of it. All this is a story. We have an eleven year. Old Boy who vanished from just outside Tucson Arizona while performing in front of twenty two adult witnesses he is discovered seventy two two hours later wandering across a civil war battlefield. Fifteen hundred miles distance in southwestern Tennessee. The site was the Shiloh national forest I and military park. He was discovered by tourist taking a tour who identify a district vigorous looking like a child more on this in a minute. It all started when I was scouring some thirty-seven-year-old F. B. I. Files. I haven't blocked that in a long time hoping to find something intriguing. When I noticed under the child abductions section the case involving a young boy he'd been abducted in one thousand nine hundred eighty two from his Arizona residents and located in south western Tennessee wandering in a state park three days later? What caught my eye? Aside from the distance involved is that this wasn't marked as a kidnapping and there was no ransom call the FBI were brought in when the child was discovered in another state. I managed to get my hands on a heavily redacted. Police report anything anything. This old has been archived and available on a special website that I have access to anyway. The report related how the victim and three other children were in a field performing jumps. On on their stingray bicycles. The report described that the children had built a ramp and each would perform a jump over the stack of tires at the other end of the rap. Twelve tourists visiting the nearby town of Oatman Arizona. Twenty two residents including the children's parents parents were in attendance seated on homemade bleachers. The victim was the last to make. The jump is by crashed on the other side of the tires but he was nowhere near and could not be found. He had vanished before I go any further. You need to know that police. FBI reports reports made available to the public. Investigators like myself are cryptic to say the least heavily abbreviated and redacted or blacked out. Especially when a child is involved involved often there are more black and lines than there are complete sentences. I contacted as many residents of what virtually became a ghost town. The Volkmann as I could of twelve phone calls and several emails I had one hit after fifteen minutes of small talk. Mrs Jones said she remembered the incident. The incident written up and said the boy's name was billy something. I promise not to use her name. That's why the Mrs Jones she also confided that I should talk to to William Howard who she thought saw the boy vanish. Another couple of phone calls nine located Mister Howard in assisted living center outside of Apache Junction Arizona Persona. He was ninety four but very alert after much program was able to remember. Billy's last name as falstaff. He said like the beer after contacting attacking the county sheriff's Department the Office of the FBI located in Phoenix and coming up empty. My next move was to contact the folks that oversee the tours of the Shiloh state military park Tennessee were billy was found again. Nothing with no other ideas. I reluctantly decided to bag the story but four days days after making that decision I received an email from escondido California wanting to know how my investigation into billy falstaff was going. The email all came from a woman whose father had passed away. Two events prompted her to contact me I at the funeral. Several re-enactors of the battle of Shiloh. Who who were on the tour with billy was spotted and they had heard about my inquiries related them to her second while going through her father snows vials journal well? She discovered that he was the doctor. That treated billy at this. I assume that the boy might have been treated for shock and said rather emailed us much. Her response knocked me out of my chair. Her father had removed a civil war. Era Mini ball from the boys upper thigh. I E mail back asking if she meant bullet. Her response was an emphatic. No it was a mini ball and she found it wrapped in wax. Paper stapled to the top of a journal explaining the injury. I asked her if she could take a picture of the Journal. And the mini ball and send it as an attachment. This is just getting better and better. I punched billy's age agent. My calculator added the elapsed thirty seven years from nineteen eighty two to twenty nineteen to come up with his current age forty eight but stopped short putting the calculator he later away. He vanished April six. Nine thousand nine hundred eighty two exactly to the day one hundred twenty years since the battle of Shiloh. I had to find right billy. Assuming he'd been taken back to Arizona. I ran a check on the name. FALSTAFF I only found one in the region. The individual had no connection through contact contact with law enforcement and CIC check one. Billy falstaff was in Marian penitentiary a medium security federal prison in Illinois. My problem prisons are are notoriously tight lipped. When it comes to giving out information about prisoners I submitted a form question physical characteristics sir scars? Who received a brief description? That could have been anyone but was rewarded. When the description included a scar on them right upper thigh fading and unsought to have been caused by something when he was quite young? This was my boy but I figured I'd taken the story as far as I could. My last effort at communicating with him was a letter addressed to William falstaff care of Marian. Federal Prison Forty five hundred person road. I received response twelve hours later. But not from William a a man of few words emailed me asking what my interest in William falstaff was several emails determined. I was communicating with an FBI. Agent William had escaped just days after my form was received a question of physical description. I had an interesting story in a series of events at linked together her giving credence but nothing really solid dealing with phone calls. Receiving emails does not truly make a story. But I just couldn't let it drop. I assume that Billy's parents were deceased or at least out of the picture but someone must have known him between the time. He was discovered in Tennessee. And his incarceration in in federal prison. I started this new search with child protective services. I narrowed Zona than in Tennessee. People that might have been involved. Were retired KNOL. Paul records had been archived for the most part sealed. Get at IRA reexamined my progress since first scanning the F. B. I. Reports realized just that I'd been conducting what amounted to a missing person case. Surprise that I put knowledge that a doctor had removed a civil war era. Many Lieberthal from Billy's THI- out of my mind. It just seemed to weird still decided to take a look at children involved in the civil war it was a simple search to determine airman the preteens as young as ten were often horse and wagon. Tenders never really fought in any battles. I contacted the museum at Shiloh military part for any information on children involved in the battle next. I placed ads in several newspapers Tennessee Arizona asking for information on William or Billy falstaff. I actually received a call a few days later from Virginia falstaff Smith Billy Sister Jackpot. My first question was the most. It's difficult did she know that billy had escaped from prison. She laughed and said he hadn't escaped. They'd lost him that they have been transferring him from Marianne a medium medium security prison to a minimum security and when the bus arrived wasn't on board after few awkward moments. I continue by question. This was not oughta happy person and after a few questions she let me know in no uncertain terms that it was going to cost me to continue. I let her go and thirty seven years. He must've two how to girlfriend. I felt if I could put together. Billy's character I might be able to track and by employment. The problem was what I did in Arizona. I had to do in Tennessee heavy. Knock my door pulled me away from my computer. I checked the time was almost six. I opened the door and stood facing a young man man of about thirty. That could have been salesman until he opened his mouth. Well that's where this part of. Where did billy go? And I know it's Cliche to say but but the very exciting end where billy go will air Friday the twenty second kits myths and mysteries where billy go was produced here night. Owl Sound Studio Studio and brought to you by the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library and I'll creek cabin and writers getaway at Al Creek Cabin Dot Com. Check it out. I'm Kit CRUMB. Thanks for listening. Talk to you Friday.
Born A Deplorable: Southern values & culture meets a northern factory town.
"White Trash Sigma Dixieland. The place that I grew up. Look carefully at the street. Signs and Dixieland subdivision streets are named after noble poets Tennyson Milton Bryant Browning Modest Gray Cape Cod style. Houses built in nineteen fifty. Three is where we called home was located in the Dixie land subdivision in the South in the flint arriving in this world is the firstborn son of a family of hillbillies. The odds are very high. My life would be spent on the shop floor where Buick cars were assembled. My pedigree likely adds up to that of the northern Hillbilly. The history of southern Hillbilly migrants was distinct in part because of their lack of ownership of the land over American history hillbillies be defined as a group of landless people. My family history is one of typical American sharecroppers. Dad was born in Paris Tennessee. A small town in Emery County in western Tennessee. That was a long ways from the Eiffel Tower It is today known as the home of Hank Williams Junior. It was a confederate county with their rented farms. It's poor soil. They experience depression. Before the Great Depression like many other sharecroppers they migrated and ended up in Paraguay. Arkansas was not particularly remarkable about the neighborhood where I grew up except that the entire subdivision was built on top of a swampy General Motors dumpsite subdivision sits just a city block from a former arsenal democracy fisher body number one a General Motors Automobile Factory. This automobile factory was converted to making tanks and armaments to support our nation's war efforts in World War Two. Gm use land. Were my parents brand new hall now. Sits atop as a as a dump in a over hazardous waste? We're talking heavy metals and chemicals. Dangerous stuff like leaded paints lacquers and other harmful chemicals. Gm PAINTED CARS. Nado parts at Fisher body number one. The chemical waste dumped in the dixieland subdivision was the excess of an automotive painting and coating operation the Dixieland subdivision developer was able to build homes in certain areas because the ground was too unstable and swampy. The polluted swamp land became a park and playground. They called it. Windy Eight Park School Board even built two school buildings at top. The dumpsite the top that off with the playground of directly next to the chemically lay swamp for little kids to play. That is where I first learned about science and discovering living creatures. Little did I know at the time. Fifty years before the flint water crisis these types of chemical contaminants could resolve in lifetime harm to the health of children. My Dad joined the Army Air Corps. Leaving Arkansas. After his graduation in one thousand nine hundred thirty seven eventually arrived in Flint Michigan in nineteen fifty-three where he met and married my mother. My Mother's family arrived in Flint from the south in the early. Nineteen twenties from Kentucky and Missouri Dixieland subdivision wasn't fire from Dixie highway which is nearby. Which is the nearest highway headed? South down home to America's Hillbilly Heaven US kids used to affectionately call it. My Mom Anna was a tall red head very engaging jokester and and chat timber she occasionally referenced herself as Big Mama. I never used that term to describe my mom. She attended flint public schools graduating from flint. Central she hired into the GM auto factory and worked at Fisher body number one just three blocks from my home back in the day. They hired women to come and so upholstery for the brand new cars she later transferred to turn instead a GM parched land on the north side of Flint. That factory had jobs for women that did not require the physicality of the assembly line. She eventually took advantage of GM's thirty years out in term plan. Mom was a union GAL. She lived her Teenage Years Flint. During the Great Depression she was a teenager during the flint. Sit down strikes or loyalty to the U. A. W. was born during the UAW's historic fight for recognition to collectively bargain for auto workers. Mom looked to the U. A. W. for protection in the auto factories of Flint. Life for Women Flint's auto factories was Nabis back in her day. Backbreaking work sexual harassment and economic uncertainty in the nineteen fifties sixties. Took its toll on my mom. Mom Was not robbed in union politics after her retirement. Aaron Dad took advantage of many w activities such as luncheons the annual. Uaw Picnic and travel opportunities. They spent some time that the UAW Andre Treat and conference center Black Lake in northern Michigan. The also spent time at the. Uaw Retirement Center in Stuart Florida. Dad was honorably discharged from the United States air force and found his way to flint during his twelve years of military service. My Dad served during World War. Two and the Korean conflict as he used to call it. Dad served in the strategic air command. The unit of the Air Force where our nation's read their bombers assigned. My Dad climbed up the ladder of the elisted. Ranks and eventually was a non commissioned officer assigned to administrative duties with the Inspector General's Office Dad Developmental Health problems in the military and took the drinking becoming an alcoholic. Dad was based at Warner Robins Air Base in Macon Georgia near Macon Georgia. For Nearly Twelve Years Military Determined Dad to have service connected. Disability was one hundred percent disabled. According to the Veterans Administration the government considered my siblings and myself were orphans as such entitled various stipends and Educational Benefits. We are beneficiaries Michigan Veterans Trust Fund. Dad spoke with a strong Tennessee drawl. He loved country music and dancing when he got drunk. He sang songs of Ernest. Tubbs Tennessee Ernie Ford Marty Robbins. He also sang religious. Hymns for some crazy reason it was a country boy and he was proud of tracing back. My family roots to the Cumberland's Kentucky in the hills of Tennessee. It turns out the great uncles. So both my mom and my Dad's side of the family fought against one another in that awful civil war. Yes brother against brother. How crazy is that? My Great Grandpa Allen on my Dad's side of the family tree were slave owners as where some relatives on my mom's side of the family. My borders thing family took up arms against each other. If we think America's divided today think about the conflicts between Americans in eighteen. Sixty five. I there we're taking a break for our sponsor anchor DOT FM. Let me tell you. A bit about anchor They have a creation tool set. Are Free like you can create your own podcast using an edit that podcast using your phone or your computer. They'll distribute your podcast for you on spotify apple or many other Podcast hope hosts. And you may even make money off your podcasts. With no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make podcast in one place. Download ANCHOR FOR FREE BY GETTING THEIR APP AT ANCHOR DOT FM to get started and we're using it and hopefully he will to thank you very much and will resume our Our program my grandparent's then moved to Paraguay Arkansas. My Dad played football for the Paraguay. High School bulldogs graduated from High School. Dare like many southern voice at the time he enlisted in the Army Air Corps which eventually became the United States air force ever. There was the lifeline sent to me by God. It was at my grandparents moved from Paraguay. Arkansas and bought a home just short a short distance from my parents. Home in the Dixieland subdivision I was able to ride my bike or walk to their house. My Aunt Johnny Francis bought a house next to my GRANDPA and grandma him grandparent's and I were very close. I spent hours in their shaded front yard with their lawn chairs. Vited you to sit a spell. Say would say they're Cape Cod style. Home did not have typical southern front porch. Where Hillbilly Song Court no matter? My grandparents put their lawn chairs in the shape of the big trees in the front yard inviting anyone to join them. My grandparents Lorenzo and Mandy rose moved to flint. Be Closer to their children. They were sharecropper migrants steeped in southern culture. The first thing in the southern migrant does went arriving in northern city is fine the first Baptist Church. They did just that my grandparents were deeply religious. They went to church every Sunday. Grandpa has had his dress hat. Grandma Air Sunday best. They read the Bible and they live by what it said. There were serious. They were serious about their religion. Neither smoked nor drank alcohol. I asked Grandpa one day if he ever chew tobacco smoke and he told me that he would take a leaf off the tobacco plants on his farm chewing tobacco. Sometimes my grandma may have done snuff. I saw little lips pursed that tobacco bulge. They were comical in their bickering. Using southern phrases and cloak wisdom's that had my sister night rolling up floor. After leaving their house we continued the Fund by imitating their comedy show in home. We tried using every phrase and Hillbilly word we could could towards each other in our skits. We perfected the southern. That's of Tennessee. Folks what Great Fun we knew. Our grandparents were different than us and we are trying to figure it out as we grew up camp hours leasing lanky ban who took a walk every day after's meal. He was a southern Democrat. He watched the Chet Huntley David Brinkley. Show without fail on his black and white television it sat. He was measured man. He rarely expressed his opinions about politics. He never used curse words as he called them. Gramma was not so interested in the evening. Those she taught me and so I tried her version of bribery with various degrees of success. She taught me how to use of thimble. It seemed like such an odd gadget. Grandpa and grandma. Bush Bushes House was a place of retreat. When things got too hot at home that is when my dad got in sometimes file With US kids and we had to leave. Fortunately we had calm and safe play store and at Grandma. Bush's house grandparents were constantly advised me not to go the way in the bottle. That is liquor the liquor bottle. They were disappointed in my dad's lifestyle choices not seeming to understand mental over my childhood. They taught me not divy allies liquor bottle for smoking cigarettes. They were in essence teaching me to make my dad knocked. Make my dad my role model. My Aunt Johnny. Frances Dad's sister would chide and top my dad for his bullying behaviors. Drinking was as if my family was teaching me not to develop my father as my role model over time. I learned that they were wise to guide me to steer clear of that. Which causes you to San. Of course I pledged to them that I would never smoke cigarettes. That was an easy thing to do. It didn't take grandpa take GRANDPA's lessons about liquor tinder stand. Our wellness was to our family back. Then I hated alcohol because it stole my dad for GRANDPA and grandma found their last name. B. U. S. H. But Dad spells his name. Be You as C. H. One day like curiosity required an explanation as to why dad had a different last name. Grandma explained when dad joined the military. They messed up the spelling of his last name on his papers and he was too shy or afraid to crack them by the time is uniform was issued and he received his dog tags. Dad figured it out. It was too much trouble to change all that and so be it. That's a main change. The guess dislike that. That's not GRANDPA and grandma didn't really seemed upset about Dad's involuntary name change. They seem to. In retrospect to get the issue as just another less serious crazy thing like that did took south. Mom's interest in the south was and unceasing. She showed her children at different side of Hillbilly. She showed us the sophistication of the deep South which she often visited as a younger woman. She stressed working class values. Hard work being polite getting a job and education. Getting an education was without any question. The number one value. My mother instilled in me. There was never any doubt that no matter how poor we were. How stressed out my by my dad's antics that we were going to go to college. That's it. My mom had a pension for sewing roses and made the best ever. Fried chicken sausage gravy and biscuits. My mom loved all things southern except whiskey which viewed as the doubles brew. It made my dad's super crazy and at times. Violent mom to was the daughter of hillbillies. But that didn't make her unsophisticated. My GRANDPA are there Walter. York after whom I was name was from Kentucky and my Grandma Want My York was for Missouri. Grandpa Arthur was an entrepreneur owning a small business while. We're careful time at the Buick tar plan. I don't even remember much about my mops parents other than my GRANDPA. Arthur York was tall. And doting my grandma lodge work like snuff capture share but I was rather young when they died. I didn't get it. Why Bramley York founded necessary? That do snap my big sister. Carol told me it was a southern thing that was enough to satisfy my curiosity back then. Mom loved to sing. She loved the antebellum south with its beautiful homes gardens and flowers. She loves southern Gourmet. Best of all she knew all the great Broadway and American songs I fondly. Remember her teaching me to sing a confederate song. Dixie nineteenth century songs cemented the American Reference Dixie to the southern United States. A tree agree to.
Hour 4: 6/12/19
"They look fried passion, then pageantry of college football leaves here, the Paul finebaum show, our four podcast. Welcome back. We apply. No our of our program, and we appreciate you being part of it with back to the calls and check in with Andrew who is up next. Andrew. Thank you. And good afternoon to you. Indra not quite ready for the call there, Elaine is in Athens. Georgia, Elaine, go right ahead. Hi, good day, Paul. Thank you day time. Thank you guys. I got through. Yes, sir. Man. I relate, I if I have time I quick little story, and then it was more serious syrups. Yes. There I've been in Athens about thirty years. Not from the area when I first came down here though, I was driving through the center of town, where the arches are never seen. The bulldog didn't know anything about that. Never seen a football game. But all these people would rest up almost goodness, ladies and dresses and men in their fraternity colors barking and drinking beer. Not that was really off with a home game. I think it was the first of the year. But okay so, but over the years, what I found out in being a resident of college town told me get not nervous. Is that you see these young men become easy on well, I call him become real men in a game and do well in their lives, and you become fans of the men, who you watch grow up. But on the more serious note. Me just my breath. No, take your time. So here I'm working in my barn. And I'm hearing you in the background regarding a subject of people wearing colors entering a area that they may get resistance to and as a. Medical person working Neo are this is. I think can I don't know. Maybe in the early nineties, young man. He was from western Tennessee came down here within a conflict. He was shot he was killed. And I don't know what the banter was about, but people do drink, and they do let themselves be heard, and therefore conflict, the rows. So I mean I just wanted to say that in that, oh, some people do take it to the max in their seriousness regarding. How is disaster? They are with they want to happen. So it was they were playing who they playing maybe eastern western Tennessee first game of the year and believe early, I think in the nineties. So that's what I wanted to comment on, I don't know. People are. Oh, they can get enthusiastic and odd ways can't they? Yeah. They can't listen there's a long list of stories some fatal about fans gone crazy, but hopefully. That will I don't think it will. But it's a good thought. Hey, thank you very much, Elaine. Nice of you to call Jim Paul. You don't need to run off any customers. You know, we've recruited many customers over the years your position. Now what you got to show back on a high level where Lee called in while ago. And I wanted to get on tried to look for that suggestion that suggestion box that you had up. You got for me. Yeah. Right. Wanna birmingham? We used to leave suggest every morning, you pick them up and for the show that after noon, I, I'm not gonna leave us against my suggestion I can be a little more kinder gentler to, to, to Nick. No, no, no. I don't think I can. No, he might not save your show, but I wanna save Nick. And I'm that's what I'm trying to do right now. Jemma listen. We, we have I can't tell you how many times we've gone to Nick. And, and he is have you ever like, no matter how many times you're friends with someone no matter how many times you try to help the person. He's self destructive on the ball on the reverse of that. Now, how many times you gonna that wrote that wrote it for Mississippi runny, squirrel? And what does he do? He does nothing. He brings nothing but oh, Jim. Oh he's good. He the same. I'd rather hear Nick that squirrel lot, rather. Hello, follow a lot roller butter hits, a fan, you can't say that. But, but, but Nick is hopeless. No ball. No. If you know what I'm like you. I like the fact that you're trying to save someone else's soul here. I'm telling you, if you can make this far. Okay. Okay. Janice? All yours. Nick is on the line. You rehabilitate this guy. Bet you can't up how you doing? I'm doing great Jim. How you doing that? You say. I'm glad to hear you, Nick. I'm Jim remember, do you remember this the old show the gong show? Sure, I'm that if, if I had a gong, I would've already hit it for Nick. Well, I didn't have a few more seconds. Go ahead. I that your last calls the last two days, you say Paul Simon mom show here on adulterating may find your unadulterated suck up to Jim here. Well, why? Oh, oh, you have to admit the high energy level has been has been. I, I agree with that. But the gym, you know, me, right. I need do. I need nicotine me that I know that on my own. I thought. No, I do. I needing okay. What? All your negative nasty cockroaches. You're right. No, it's okay. I hear you. You, you can't deny that. That's fair. Hi, I'm I'm gonna that we own back on with back home to everything's fine. Everything's yeah, we're back side. Here's ago with that by calling and getting phone with us. Hey Nick, Nick five years ago. This show is much better. Wasn't it? Much better. Poll you. What was better about the show back them? Well, you didn't have yet. We, we had a big time. Collars, like math guy is Louis and well, squirrel and non monkey still calling in. They don't add say, much anymore, but man. Jim. Yeah. This is like some guy in a in a smoky saloon in, in Baton Rouge, who walks up to Paul McCartney. Yeah. You know back when we were singing I mean Nick, you're not in gyms league. Okay. Oh, he's been on your show, Jim. I mean, John Hayes said the other day on his final. Morever he that Jim was a number one. I mean, Nick, I wanna help you more. Nick, Nick, I wanna help you. Okay. All right. I'm going to quit being mean. What are you, are you free to go to school, and go to Jim Tuscaloosa finebaum show fantasy caller camp? Yeah. John. So big Jim doesn't even go to it anymore. He has helpers. But if you if you would enroll in the gym Tuscaloosa finebaum show caller fantasy camp. Maybe we could get you on the on the rankings. I mean you and I'm gonna get I'm gonna give a special scholarship to you and Joe from red bay. There's some that are not welcome does not welcome, Paul. Okay. Joe red laser moron. Well, by the way, Nick, you just went up in my estimation by saying that. Thank you. Great show with Nick involve all Jim, I tell you what, you know, it feels it feels better to help someone. I. Your life. I'm about hundred times open that platform for you to lay it out like he did. I'm many times about done that. But you Jim too many for me to remember and far too many for me to ever repay the debt. What's the light may somebody said? One thing. Nick, Nick, if you're going to be on with Jim, you're gonna have to learn jealous star, and you're, you're, you're the you're the you're the second use the second banana. Did you ever hear that make Nick? Call. Did you ever hear that McMahon talk over Johnny Carson, Nick? Well, you know, we be quiet hush somebody. Somebody said the other day, have you not knows that Paul has become kinder and gentler? I said, I've never said I really have and he's back on. He's back on Vacco power from where it used to be in regard to attacking each to be attacked. But you still Jim ever since I now that this was going to be my final summer on the show. I decided to be kinder while you still catering kind of these sycophants. Some of these quote sycophants. Jim. I don't know what to do. But Nick, thank you. We, we rehabilitated Nick today. We he's, he's now Nick. Nick give him a chance. He's got a good voice. He give him a chance ball, Jim, if you were grading the class and had to give Nikko grade today, what would you give him? I did it would be. Plus, I really would not give him a beat. Plus, okay. I'm I'm you're the teacher and. And. But Jim tell me, why does Nick talked. Why does it sound like he's gargling? He's not you gotta gresh boys fall. That's the one thing is kept. You got a great voice in many times. We've not been up to par. You're always I told you that I got a great radio voice and got a great TV face. But you got a great radio voice with Jim. That means a lot to me. I don't know. They was ever said that to me, but I feel better about our, our, our new relationship here that we help. We help someone we're gonna keep we're gonna get hit not get new and old between us all the time. It's I mean when you. When you're the best, Jim it feels good to, to let everyone know it. Well, that's, that's what dab always been doing. Isn't it? Well, Jim, I appreciate once again, I'm out of hands on out of feet. Madam memory Bank in terms of the number of times you have saved this show, just just keep the energy level, up high, and that'll be fine everything everything's gonna be are still workout all on. I really believe it's gonna work out. Jim, thank you very much again. Thank you. Thank you so much. Once again, Jim has saved the fun boom show from extinction. Celebrate. We're back. We have a guest coming up, and then Jim, we'll be back after that listening to Paul finebaum show podcast, welcome back. Neil Blackman joining us from Sarah down, south always great to catch up with a couple of topics including soccer. We want start with Florida football Neil. Thank you, for, for joining us know you've done a deep dive into a number of subjects. Let's start with the Gators wild wildly different and diverse expectations and predictions for them. Right now take us through your thought process. I think it just it all starts with the offense of line all, and I think a lot of the reason that the predictions are of all over the place right now is you lose you lose Joon Taylor, the first round NFL draft March has I've you for your stars tackles gone, and they only return one starter of front, if they can get that sorted out John heavy one of the best position coaches, you know, really well respected. So if they can get that sorted out. I think that the playmakers are there, which hasn't been the case, but they've got to get that figured out. You go back and say that they may have more playmakers than this programs had and. Concertedly long time. Yep. I think it's I think it's the most they've had since since the Meyer era since I was in school, the two thousand nine or two thousand eight even just because you have so many, you got at least two or three guys in the receiver core and Trayvon Grimes, too. I think is going to be a breakout player band. Jefferson. Everybody knows about area's Tony was the first Florida player. Percy Harbin average, a first down of touch in with more than forty five touches. So the good sample size average the first town, every time he touched the ball, and then we'll Michael p Rhine is, is one of the best running backs in the SEC guy that, that grinds and really gets yards after contact. And I think somebody's kind of moving up NFL bortz just 'cause it's he's such a fluid runner and and has gotten tough yards against good teams. Nail. I know alternately it is about wins and losses but being in Florida being Gainesville a couple of weeks ago and watching this program, very closely over the years. It almost seems like offense of production is as important right now after just a miserable run under much champion, especially under Jim mcelwain. Educate the audience on, on, on Gators fan. I gator fans and how much they, they like the idea of this being a fun program to watch again. Yeah. Win Scott stricklin higher. Dan Mullen, he said, you know, as an outsider his view, Florida football was that when Florida was good. It was also all it was also always really fun. You know, Florida sorta revolutionized the SEC from us regards in the cloud of dust Lee to, to Steve Spurrier's, you know, high flying fun gun offenses, and I think Florida spent seven years trying to be good, right? Other than the sixties when Spurrier was the quarterback. And they had pretty good offenses. They didn't do much until they figured out office started doing something differently than everybody else. I think the fun has always been kind of a societas with, with Florida when they're good and kinda restoring that culture was something that was really important. And something that Dan Mullen understands having you know won the national championship as offense coordinator there. Neil? In addition to, I mean you have a lot of hobbies. The Gators being one of them, but you're also an a strong advocate of soccer, and we were keeping up with you yesterday during the women's World Cup. And I, I was struggling. And I've watched this debate all day about, you know, should the US team have celebrated so much. They won thirteen to nil. And I mean, I couldn't quite capture Thailand in terms of maybe maybe an Alabama non conference game but, but take us through yesterday. And, and the just utterly bizarre reaction all over the world to. The, the ladies from America celebrating and, you know, rightfully so. But I guess their job is to score. It's not they're concerned if the other team can't stop them. Yeah, that's the that's the adage rightly goes, if you to that was all kind of Steve Spurrier. Right. So we're, we're I can't from that. There's kind of a connection, you know, college football people saying, you know, if you had a dollar for every time you had a call about cya points. You could probably four Gus malzahn by out. No, maybe a little bit more than I could handle bit appreciate the offer. I just think, you know, so we're used to talking about science points. But what was weird about it to me is that goal difference is a component of how the knockout round seated at a World Cup men's or women's so US knows that are very strong team in Sweden traditionally powerful team still has to play Thailand. So given that reality. It's their first game. And I think they have a big incentive to score now that debates probably separate to me, then, you know, whether or not they should celebrate the goals like they did. But then again it's the World Cup. It's not a wreck. I mean we're not, you know my daughter's travel league play for an hour and they get Capri Suns. I mean, you know, so some of these kids, Mallory Pugh scores. It's eleven nothing but she's twenty one and she's a player that, that has said, you know, that this was her dream to play in the World Cup so schwinn she scores, she's supposed to temper her joy over schooling because of what the score is is that fair when a walk. On scores for Alabama. You know homecoming game you know, they tempted they get to celebrate with their teammates, or should they not do that. Because the tide or hit by thirty five I mean, you know, I don't I don't know if I like those debates they made me a little uncomfortable. And I don't feel like telling the US women they can't celebrate with their with their teammates knows an I, I really do enjoy soccer. I don't understand it very well. But I, I watch it. So helped me and help all of us understand. Thailand. So in the parlance of college football who are they? They are a bad if CS cool. Okay. In other words, Alabama's homecoming game. Alabama south Florida had a Presbyterian blue on the schedule. Yeah. They did. It got chancellor Mercifully for all of us. But I think that's that's kind of where they're at. And I think it's. You made the best point. But in the end, this is this is a not, not this is from many once in a lifetime experience. And if you score a goal and in the World Cup. I dare say your children and grandchildren are going to be seeing those pictures, even even if it was score a goal number eleven twelve or thirteen. Yeah. I mean, look Alex Morgan, scored five goals and game. That's happened. One other time in the history of the sport at a World Cup. So I don't have a problem with her being happy about that, and, and get it, because it happens when it's twelve nothing really doesn't diminish the accomplishment to me or mean that she can't celebrate that with her teammates. We just got some breaking news. Neil, Alabama has added Thailand to their, their twenty nineteen college football schedule. It's all part of the process ball. Exactly. What a great time. Neil hope you'll come back. Thank you, very much for being on thankful really fun really fun conversation, and we'll take a short break and get back to the drudgery of the phone calls, just kidding. They're five to four two seven two eight five. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Welcome back. We have thirty minutes to go. Let's go to Tom Charleston. You are. Next up, Tom, thank you. And good afternoon. Hey, paul. Thanks for taking my call. Thank you. Yeah. You may comment. And I, I agree with Nick Sabin that probably one of the best when it comes to stern the pot. But anyway, you made a comment that you thought was maybe sticking his nose up at the Alabama fans with the, the data Lodden joke or come. I don't know if you really believe it or not, but I have a question what would make the damn fans? What, what would they be more? What would be more -fensive to that comment or if dab? Oh, you know, ran the ball instead of letting the time on Alan the last dry I think most your fans, I think most of your fans would be more upset with that. I think I think the nation knows that Daboh has truly a great appreciation for Nick Sabin, this done, and what Alabama has done in Alabama faint. So I mean he's the first to say, you know, that's the greatest program ever. So, but, you know, maybe that's the topic for tomorrow's conversation. You know it's a good Neil. I think they would be, I would think they would be probably more upset or find it more pensive has, I think, tomorrow, we just tee off on dab. Oh, just accused the nerve of him, attempting, even trying to beat Alabama let and beating them. But twenty eight points. Yeah. Now that was must chapel another side. You know, I think he would've put up all across the line. Yeah. But, but, you know, I knew I knew I might be wrong time about my, my thought when I got some calls today from South Carolina fans agreeing with me. Yeah. Well, you know, you do a great job while I'm on ACC fan, but I listened to see thank you. Yeah. Programs and, and I love what you did Tom. Thank you very much. Really appreciate. Louisiana, Dan, is up next. Doing how are you, Dan? I don't know than helping Jim Jim Chelsea you out. And I need you. Help me out, well, you know, this show has improved dramatically ever since Jim offered to help well as speak health. Paul. I don't know. You know, I'm called in on dirtyjohn Jif day her ninety seven times day. And you know, I got called for fun. I don't smoke up on fame medicine. I don't know. I wanna talk about fighting football. They're both about the same. Yeah. Hey they all just on how many starters on offense and defense, it's Clemson, bringing back. Do you know? Yeah, I know. Well, I don't know this civic number. No, I know. I know on offense. They're coming to bring him back considerable amount defenses. I think the achilles heel not to go, Kevin Durant on your, but we'll double check the number to be precise. Well, you know, you Stu that's both saying, we'd look at. But you know you heard that concentrate, a minute ago. Talk about how. His mind the backups this year were better than the first team the first round draft choices who left after the championship season. I don't have any doubt Clemson will be very good. I think their offense will be as good as we've ever seen. I can't imagine their defense being in the same league as last year. I don't see it myself. I don't I don't think I love what four defensive linemen. No. Yeah. I've lost the entire defensive line. So anyway, you know what goes around comes around and. Better be on on guard. You, you have that, right? Thank you very much. Steve is up next in Valdosta, Georgia. Steve, hey, how you doing Paul? We are doing well, thank you. Great. Right. It's layer would say. I think I think I think Tom was right about you the best what Nick saving status turn the pot. But I. You have not heard me deny that have you. But I think what everybody's suffering from is. See, Doug, you. See if w s CFO withdrawals. Yeah. You know, listen. Our goal here is to. I I disagreed with what Daboh said now at no point that I go when I go Stephen a Smith. Okay. Yeah, I, I have some theories and I I'll leave it. I'm not going to go too much deeper into it because I think we probably exhausted the subject. But I think what it does show. You is Daboh Sweeney is a lightning rod these days for conversation. That's that I'll absolutely agree with you on that. I'm on the Ford of the fellowship Christian athletes. And we've we've had him down here at time to speak, and he's just fine. A guy you'd have ever. I've heard him do one of those speeches. He's, he's fantastic. Eight just made a mistake. But I tell you Jim is my favorite color of all time, and I agree with on politics and most things I, I kind of disagree with him about about Daboh, but you need to pay Jim commission because he is he really well, here's here's the issue. I mean we we do pay Jim. But, you know, gyms one of these guys that every couple months. He wants a new deal. Renegotiating? Them's ever heard of a contract and. So we, we, we, we cough, up some more money, and then he's back, again, wanting more after after a couple more months. He's a big. He's a big plus to the show, and I like squirrel, squirrel, top five call. Right. College. They, they really keep me laughing. So anyway, but I just wanted to call in. Thank you. Thank you very much great. I think Jim is mo- John hey, said, at the other day, gyms greatest caller and the history. I know you agree with that. With new judge Joe. That would be a negative. There would not agree with that whatsoever. Why not? And you know, well. But the one thing only thing he wants to talk about is that self. And, you know, I heard I heard the conversation between him and, you know, may make trying to kiss his butt, and but make is the worst caller and find bomb Paul finebaum show history. Joe, I, I have to have to say that we, we finally agree on something. Well, I you know, I don't know what Jim's problem is with me. He's got a problem with everybody. It seems like but you know it's not my fault. He's the idiot. I mean he. Are you saying Joe he's just an idiot? I mean, that's it. Well, he's mourning idiot. I mean, I've got I've got other words but of some I can't repeat on air. Well what I heard him talking about. I mean they were like you know butt licking twins. I mean, that would just laughing it up at Joe's hog and for hug, but licking twin I've never heard that before. Well, yeah, yeah. And you know, that's just, you know, ate talk, you know, but nobody cares what he has to say. I mean, he speaks blasphemy. He's dumb and a sack of baboots and he's a face list. You know, hippy that never grew out the hippie, I guess, but, you know, if they want to speak up, you know, the last caller, you know, that just called in and said, he's a great caller. I, I don't know what, what kind of morals is rolling on his head because the eight and listen to the show because Jim is just about Jim and that's pretty much it. And but, you know. The bring it back the football Clemson Clinton's gonna do good this year because ACC got no wall him. I mean so you know, they all four players on defense done. It says. Wait a minute. Joe way far Joe. So you say you don't understand why I've got an issue where you when all you do, like poofs quo. Oh, you do dry and trash me. I've never tried you'll air to now put you on FOX, an idiot. I know do not all about me. It's mostly about morons like you Joe your redneck no-good sorry, whatever your call yourself. You're not a good collar Joe. You're an old red. Are you don't or you done? Are you doing, but lifting your the Domi the dummy, your face? But liquor. Right. Nothing but a frigging. Joe because. All you can do the great our Jim damn. AM. Oh, you can't hold it. Does. ADM. You him. And you know what the? The. Collar is me and you smart as I am. That you know what? In the hell Joe for mid by is here to stay, and you're nothing but a frog. But Lincoln idiot, you freaking guys is that your best Joe you go. You go. You can. Guys guys, guys. Enough. Okay. Thank you. It's wednesday. Just for few more hours. We'll be right back listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. We're back in here. Glad to be here. We I'm in Maryville Tennessee is up next. Hey, william. Nice of you to join us. We're doing great. Thank you. I only heard snippets of the show today. Is it true that they're Sweeney equated beating Alabama to Osama bin law, and then Laden and the twin towers? Well what he did. He was asked about recruiting in Alabama and he said, he just he referred to himself as a Somma been Daboh, and then talked about having to go through caves, and dark alleys to scape angry Alabama fans said that on a on a national radio show. Well, I'm gonna say that number one, I mean, I don't of don't know, devas when I've always thought highly of him just because of the reputation of his his program and the waitress decisions and his players. But to equate yourself in that way, isn't a matter of political incorrectness, a matter of Eric's, he merely making that references is like, you know, like, saluting, the Japanese Pearl Harbor, the Germans for our which I don't know why anybody would say that what anybody thinks that. And frankly, if I were in charge of Clemson. I'm not sure what I might do. I might just fire him for. I just think it's totally inappropriate. That was a world changing of it, and it has nothing to do with college recruiting or egg college football game. I agree with you. I think he became a little bit full of himself and couple of other interviews that you could relate to he gave his another interview couple of weeks ago where he talked about if things don't change in college football. He's going to leave to go to the NFL. I think at some level winning that second title has changed. This guy who was the underdog who was a little ole dab. Oh, from little low Clemson into someone who is unfamiliar position. And you seen it throughout your whole life, while you when, when all of a sudden, somebody becomes the hunted I it's, it's, it's, sometimes it's not a comfortable place to be. Well, I don't know if it changes people or if it allows them for their true colors may maybe maybe maybe true. Yeah. They were they were afraid to show their true colours on the way up the ladder, because they're frayed somebody might knock them off the ladder. But if he is, you know, I just have a real problem with all the Americans that died at nine of enduring dot on nine eleven. And if died since then, and all this, the billions around the world that have died and William I mean, we saw yesterday with John Stewart sesame that are still dying result. Still dying as a result, and the merely. I mean, would you, you know, if you if you I've met, Robin Neill who shot those bin Laden and, and, you know, you know, some of those guys and what they went through in that man hunt and, and for seventeen eighteen nineteen years now and to in any, you hear NFL players talked their warriors and soldiers and what they do has nothing compared Pat Tillman stories. It's great story, right? It's nothing compared to what? Too many American men and women and, and other allies and, and, and other military folks for the last, you know, hundreds of years have gone through two Kwait it to anything to do with college football recruiting. And as far as I'm concerned, pox on Daboh his house. I just don't get it. I don't to me, it's an arrogant comment and, and, and it should have been dealt with accordingly. Well, one more thing on that for those who did not hear the show yesterday. It he gave the univer- you amazingly in February. It didn't show up on anyone's radar screen until Monday night, some reporter founded. I'm not really sure what the Genesis if that was. And then yesterday we just gave an opinion on it, it wasn't by this show standards that outrageous, it was a fairly sobering calmer. That I made similar to what you're saying here. I you know, I don't get. I didn't hear it yesterday. Or earlier today. I'm just shocked by it. Because, you know, is it all an active? He's very successful coach. You makes a lot of money because a lot of followers and, and, you know, like we'll wait is proved folks, too, sometimes, but a lot of things that to, you know, the name of winning or whatever you wanna call it in the name of but to me, that's sacred ground. And you don't equate yourself in that way, you know, you don't you don't look at what you have to do in the same vein as what a lot of very brave. Americans have done. Yeah. One more time. I think you know, I mean common sense is almost too, too small to us. There's, there's no such thing anymore. No, you're right. But yeah, I think understa- I, I don't think I mean I I'm not defending him. I don't think he set out to make a statement militia statement or an offensive statement. I just think you're right. He he was asked about it, and he decided in response to going to Alabama and recruit to use the worst possible analogy. Well again, I you know, I just I know about it. What, what you've told me the last few minutes. And I stand by what I said that, that's not a lyrical incorrectness that's really bad judgment. And there's a big difference between the two I'm as politically incorrect, as anybody you'll ever meet, and, and you know. That's just bad judgment. Really? I think you're, you know this show well enough. I mean, we just I mean there's, there's not a lot that's going to offend us and for someone which they have already done many times accuse some of us of being upset about that game. I mean that that game. I mean that that game is relevant to me that game was in January. I was over it as I walked out of the stadium trying fast as I could to get to San Francisco International airport. Well, you know, I have I couldn't even tell you the score that game. And I, I think whenever anybody in the athletes realm, equates, what they do, what our military or or allies. Military has done is is is a disrespect that shouldn't be allowed or tolerated. Thank you very much for the, it was forty four to sixteen. By the way, in case you were wondering twenty six you for listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. The Paul finebaum show weekdays on the SEC network beginning at Easter.
Jul 09 | Closing Market Report
"From the land grant university in havana. Champagne illinois this is the closing market reports the ninth day of july. i'm illinois extensions. Tub gleason coming up in this half hour. We'll talk about the commodity markets with mike zoos. Low global com research dot com check in on the weed situation with aaron hager. We'd scientists here on campus and talk about fungicide applications whether they should or should not be made. What high risk might be that with nathan chessy. He's plant pathologist at grow mark and as we wrap up our time together. We'll take a look at the weather forecast with eric snodgrass from neutral act solutions and dagger on this friday at the closing market report on public media. Todd gleason services are made available to w. l. by university of illinois extension december corn. Today in chicago. Finished six and three quarters of a cent lowered five dollars seventeen november thirteen dollars twenty nine and a quarter up nine and three quarters being meal down three sixty the bean oil today dollar seventy-six higher soft red winner wheat down three at six fifteen hard red up six at five ninety four and spring. We'd at eight dollars fifteen cents a dime higher on the afternoon live cattle futures at one nineteen twenty two and a half finished a nickel lower for the day the feeders at one fifty nine seventeen and a half down dollar rather up a dollar eighty five lean hogs at one hundred and one dollars fifty seven and a half cents a dollar and twenty cents higher gold futures at eighteen hundred ten dollars ninety cents up ten dollars and seventy cents crude oil at seventy four dollars. Forty eight cents a barrel. That's about a dollar fifty six higher heating oil or diesel fuel up three and four tenths of two dollars. Fifteen and a half in the wholesale price of gasoline at two dollars twenty nine and two tenths of a cent per gallon up three and seven tenths ethanol futures at two dollars and thirty two finished unchanged on the afternoon. You're listening to the closing market report. Of course it is a production of illinois public media. Find us online. Listen to us on demand. Whenever you'd like you can do that. It will add dot org. That's w. i l. ag dot. Org meigs zula. Global com. Research dot com atchison. Kansas now joins us. Thank you mica. What do you make of the marketplace for the day. Well i think the the for the day. Todd is pretty much for the week. you know. We've dropped about fifteen percent since the high pre july fourth holiday in july corn. We took out the june lows of that. Six twenty nine and a half level. An important level Even with good export sales even with good soybean price action with good hard red wheat. Price action The suggests to me the funds are liquidating pre substantially going into the report We will find out. I think whether they're on the right track or nine based upon how the usda treats not just the brazilian corn number but also the total demand. Number because i think there's some of that mix in there but i think especially spring wheat. I really think the spring wheat is a serious problem area at the stage and would not be surprising to me to see a a yield much lower than what we are looking at right now and it could shave enough off of the production on we Ab- i'm saying about the a one point nine crop all week crop could be shaved down to one point seven all week crop because hard red spring is about thirty percent of all we production in the united states so spring wheat harbored. We'd need to come in and help the corn out here as we get the report. Numbers is your thought here that that would lift wheat out of the feet wide area and cost economically and then would support the corn market. Yeah perfect point in perfect question right now. July july soft read mine is corn is twenty under nineteen twenty under you. Go to set though todd. Backup ninety cents positive wheat above corn. That's exactly what i'm thinking at this stage stages of we need the market to wake up and realize that all supplies of grains are still very tight especially if we come in with a lower brazilian corn number. And how long do you think that'll be. The brazilians are at ninety. Three point four million tonnes now. Usda at its last was was at ninety eight six. I believe yeah. that's right. Nine eight five nine eight six. I think that we'll go below ninety. But i'm not prepared for that until maybe another couple of months from now. I put the number at ninety two point two for clients for the the corn estimates. Domestically i'm giving clients at one point four four carryover in a an a One eighty seven being carryover Heading into monday's numbers. And you know that's that's what some decline in yield. And i think that's the big question is not just what we get rains. over the weekend but what. Usda gives us for the yields minus total demand. Because those acreage numbers they've been kinda thrown out except for the soybeans but in corn. They i don't think they think about acres at this point or are you a of a mind that. Usda will actually lower that one subject nine and a half this time around. No i don't think that at all. I think that's where it goes back to. You know planning with bought puts if we can't get back up above those technical support levels we just took out today in the corn market. And you know using puts instead of cash related sales in. Just biding your time to get the. Us numbers in the world numbers to come together so that the market realizes that being you know roughly five dollar dece corn prices probably not a good idea at this point and as we said in commodity week last yesterday and we tape that i really think we could be doing this all over again with soybeans in august because that crop looks pretty tough around the united states for the most part of very short crop and a lot of problem potential. Anything that You think producers ought to be considering. Well i think it goes back to the discipline and humility of of what we're dealing with in in this market right. Now we've got so many different factors you know hitting us right now that it's not just all about whether and i think that's what this week showed us to take fifteen percent off the corn price and really. Is that all about just iowa rains that i really don't think it is and i think that's what we have to integrate into our marketing plan. Thank you thank you sir very weekend. U2 that's meigs oslo. He's with global com research dot com. We'll over the noon hour each friday the illinois extinction commercial egg team gathers by teleconference to discuss. What's happening across the state. Play for you just a little. Bit of what aaron hager. we'd scientists had to say today and then we'll follow up with nathan chessy. Who was the plant. Pathologist at the you buy but now is working with grow mark. I did check with him about fungicide applications. Because i know the many farmers are being pressured. Put those on. You wanna pay attention to what nathan considers a high risk situation Corn on corn. But put that in context of your fungicide decisions and what that really means now. Here's aaron hager. Not a lot coming in terms of calls Had a couple of issues there are a couple of questions around activity of two forty on amaranth species. A talk with robert belen about ten days ago. He sent a rather disturbing photograph of patch. Of water imp ahead. Dead plants live plants sort of Oval in size Photograph generally speaking. If you're looking for textbook kind of a photograph of the the onset of resistance evolution that would be what it would look like but not really terribly unexpected. Couple here in the last day. Or two about who phosphate. I haven't some four activity memory the species we haven't been able to follow up other than a couple of phone conversation but We may have access to get some seed samples and maybe do some greenhouse screening this fall and winter. So i think. I'll stop and see if anybody has any questions this odd spring weather that we've had as broad forth any ways that we don't normally see at least an abundance not really Emerson in travels have had around the state Really the sweet. If you would've of weeds that we see a really have changed terribly much. I did a kind of a habit. That i've gotten into we worked on a field of palmer amaranth North route seventeen about fifteen or so miles west of kankakee. And i think we out of that area in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen timeframe and at least once a year i. I tried to go back and just see what's happening in the area around that field. For the three years i worked that we had plots on location Really that was the only field that i could ever really find a lot of evidence of palmer. Was there now yesterday. One hundred bide. Unfortunately now i can. I can see palmer on the edges of fields up to about a mile and a half away from that field so it's tends to be not surprisingly. I think moving around a little bit. I didn't get out in. The fields could really see anything. Overtopping corn in the field. But you know certainly capable of moving away mowing the rose. Just lousy females to get larger if You know if they're mowed down once they have seen on those bad wing mowers really really good seed transporters in but other than that really i guess not anything emerson that that has been startling or water folks relax about is there anything that you've seen in particular dot really hard is as noticeable as anything and being trailed but i haven't you know the wheat. The beans grew pretty slowly and pretty poorly. But they're off now so not anymore this year Probably five years. That seems like we've seen a bit of a actually call it a resurgence or not available in soybean fields That's not unique illinois. We we get together as an extension group every fall in september. We always talk about anybody seeing a different types of species in several states. I think it two years ago when we met on that particular question in topics several states reported they're also seeing the higher frequency available. If now in sweden not really sure why hair and can you talk a little bit about what the university of arkansas of as found with palmer and resistance to to the glue fascinates of. There's been at least one if not two populations that dr barber as isolated or discovered in. They've actually been able to confirm. We often resistance this palmer amaranth not in water him and in dr staff of across the river in tennessee has confirmed like amber resistance in several populations of palmer that that he deals with their in western side of the state so it doesn't always hold true but as a general rule of thumb. When when larry finds something in western tennessee. Or or tom jason. Finding something in arkansas usually about one or two years later we find something fairly similar to it in in water. npr in illinois so stands to reason. I guess if that if that trend line continues to hold in we we may be looking for something around the glucose innate resistance illinois pretty soon that was aaron hager we'd scientists from the university of illinois along with agronomist emerson. Nascar who asked questioned myself to during today's noon hour discussion with commercial team as it relates to what's been happening across the state in the farm fields one of the other things i checked on earlier. Today were fungicide applications. Because i know. Many producers are being pushed to make those applications nathan chess plant pathologist or was the plant pathologist here on campus now works for mark. I had him. Send me an audio file. As to his thoughts as it's related to win and if a fund your side should be used on corn right now. We're getting a lot of questions about fungicide applications particularly in corn And one of the reasons we're getting these questions is because we have had a lot of wet weather recently we've got crops that are Starting to enter that critical phase of growth wherever they're going to be casting or have started testing already and the forecast in the future looks like the next on many partel annoy least and the next couple of weeks potentially could have a fairly high chance for precipitation events as well as some moderate temperatures and because of that we think of our disease triangle that means that if we're in a situation where we're corn after corn with the susceptible hybrid and. Maybe these initial rains have started up disease. Getting out especially in those high risk fields with underside could be something that that could be a really good decision this year. Particularly if those rains come through four us. Okay and the idea here is we need to protect those tissues from the yearly f- all its top of the canopy because that's going to be providing about ninety percent of our carbohydrates to fill her grain and corn is extremely susceptible to stress during that period from v. all the way through our is really critical. Okay so if we can get ourselves protection of diseases that may be potentially up for two three weeks. There may be a little bit more hold. Those back will end up pushing that disease curve back so that they don't reach an economic injury level causing yield losses before we hit black players. That's the key here the diseases we need to keep an eye out for and i said get out in your field. Look now especially if you're in a high risk situation Look for northern corn leaf blight and grey leaf spot. You'll see those. You will see common rust. Do not concerned about common rust. Southern rust is still pretty far away. It's in You know relative to our area. It's out in in eastern kind of southeast kansas right. Now i don't expect that to be a problem for us right now. The other one we need to keep an eye on on Especially those in the northern part of the state where it's been really cool and they've been gained. A lot of rain is tar spot and that has started to show up. It's still very early where it has shown up in terms of the amount of disease but that is one where it takes two three weeks. It'll be low in terms of the incidents in field and then once you start getting a particular level once leaves tended about three to five percent severity on them across a field then it will blow up and it can take off really fast and so we want to make sure that those fields in that are showing tar spot. The history of tar spot That are going to be task here in the next week or two that were Were definitely looking at Whether or not you know. They're they have tar spot showing up and potentially making an application their best timing for fun decide application. It's going to get you the best return on your investment and this is coming from university research where they're really trying to push disease really high risk situations. It's going to be too. That'd vcr ones the best timing in situations where maybe you can't get in the field or diseases and showing up and you haven't made an application. You can still make one up to like our three of weather starts to take off and you can still potentially see a benefit but you're going to get the best return on your benefit year investment when you're making application right when those tassels and soaks are starting to pop out there within a few days after Revenge sprays don't work Remember once you have tissue. That's infected or tissue. That is dead from greatly spot in the corner leaf blake. You can't heal that. It won't grow back And so the idea here. Like i said. Go out there and scout if you're at high risk and you're we're looking like we're in a period here where we're going to have several events of rain in the next few weeks. It might be a good opportunity or a good idea to consider a underside application. If you're not seeing a disease resistant hybrid year. Rotating corn soybeans and potentially using tillage. That's gonna put you at a low risk for disease and you're less likely to see a return on investment Just because you're less likely to see major amounts and disease but in the key here is scouting right so get out there down get out in your field get a good ten a good farmer tangun. And they'll they'll be a great great opportunity for you to see what's happening. You feel mixing informed decisions here in the growing season. That's nathan clark caskey. I worked with him here on campus. He's a plant pathologist before he went to his current position at role mark. He did tell me that he created a few weeks ago. A risk calculator. And i will post that link once i find the calculator into the will ag website and in to the at commodity week. Twitter accounts look for that this afternoon. And you can evaluate the risk in your fields but corn after corn. Most certainly one of the places to look and make sure there is something out there in your field that you're trying to spray for Rather than just prophylactically using fungicide. That's gonna cost probably thirty dollars. An acre are five. Six bushels may be more to pay for. If you do eric's nod grass now joins us to take a look at the weather forecast for the coming weeks across the corn belt. Thank you eric for being with this. He of course is with nutrient annex. Lucians and admiral. Hope you're having a great day. Yeah i am. I'm still in the north woods. It wisconsin were day in. I've got a sweatshirt on mornings. So that tells you that tells you how this pattern set up right now. Yeah so a little cooler. There has been some rainfall. Let's start with what that rainfall looked like. I know you had maybe a day up there or so. But it's been in the northern part of the corn belt which was really in need. Yeah it was and so what. The rainfall bought that area was pretty significant improvements in topsoil moisture which was good. But i'll make a point to say that it wasn't as though everybody got rain so in other words the red river valley of the north needs quite a bit. More pockets of south dakota which up until this point had the driest june through early july on record. I'm talking off one hundred and thirty years worth of data and that's how dry it has been in that area so the rain that came through there was beneficial but remember some of the storms. Put out some big hail in parts of the western dakota's but it's rain. It did rain in that area so some folks are really going to get some help out of that and in the near term here. We've got this cooler weather. That's in place right just a few days after the fourth of july so that that'd be about the perfect thing you can dial up some rain and some cooler weather after the. Yeah yeah just about perfect and because most of the crop is a running. I think a little ahead planting season went pretty well pollination is coming in the next now two three weeks and i'm wondering what that period looks like well in the near term here we've got some wet weather coming to the end of the speaking over the weekend and that's gonna be synagogue here in illinois this little low pressure. I should say little this low pressure systems going to curl up and it's going to bring a chance for some stronger storms. We're gonna have to watch out for that early this weekend Multiple rounds of rain and then after that the fact that the heat is staying west. I mean this is just you know. Carl gustav raspy. He's kind of that. One of the founding fathers in meteorology. One of the things he discovered was the typical wavelength of a weather system in the in the mid latitudes in what he learned was it's about about two thirds of the width of the united states. Wanting you that is if we keep pushing big ridges over the west in anchoring heat over the west were always on the downstream side of that and as we go here to the middle part of this month it looks as though our next couple of weeks. They're going to give us more chances to rain. the not. and that's gonna come with near normal. Maybe some cooler temperatures here and that's gonna be about perfect now if you're in the northern plains i don't see the same scenario actually see heat building back in Kind of coming over that ridge into the canadian prairie into the northern plains and therefore that's convenient that's gonna go back under stress and they've certainly as we all know have been under a lot of stress so far this growing season but you look downstream of that and that's right here on the ice states especially in illinois and looking pretty good anything else. We ought to discuss the day. Well you know. I think when i look globally. There's a couple of issues happening. You know one thing would be what's going on. Over in parts of ukraine. They had a pretty good spring early summer. now they're going real hot and dry. I think that's going to start to become a story here at some point and i think the big thing that's going to be a lot of our minds going forward for the next. Several months is historically low. Nina's happen in pairs of two in other words. You have a winter la nina it fades in the following spring and summer comes back for the next fall and winter. Some of the latest data suggests that we're going to be dealing with nina conditions. This fall in winter. That's gonna mean possibility of very active hurricane season which we've been discussing but maybe some hints of last winter showing up again this winter now that's very preliminary but that's typically what we get with alanine pattern cooler winters. Possibly some more snowfall. So we've got a lot to be talking about here. And i think the bigger impacts can be on south america so that la nina forecast which justice justice this This last couple of weeks here for the later time period this year. I think it's gonna be in one more things to talk about. Thank you we appreciate it led. You're having fun up in the northern parts of wisconsin. Yeah thank you. And of course. His eric snodgrass. He's with nutrient solutions and will join us here on. The closing market report came to you from illinois public media. It's public radio for the farming world.
The Strangest story
"Welcome, to kiss miss and mystery signed your host Kit Crumbs, I wanNA talk about research for a moment of the of the hundreds of novels and novellas hybrid. Not The past twenty years of the three hundred plus stories I've written for this podcast research was a backbone and one story in particular stance out and I've received hundreds of emails asking me to repeat this. So I've got the script in front of me for this that evolves the research it came out in two stories. One was called. WHERE DID BILLY GO? The other one? Was a strange case of billy, falstaff referring to the same. Same individual. So I will read these as clearly as possible today's podcast where to billy go is by far the most bizarre story I've ever run across because it is so unbelievable. I've decided to relate the steps taken in an effort to make sensible this remember those words were part of the podcast almost a year ago. This is a story of an eleven year old boy who vanished from just outside Tucson Arizona while performing in front of twenty two adult witnesses, he was discovered seventy two hours later wandering across a civil war battlefield fifteen, hundred miles distance in the southwestern area of Tennessee. The site was Shiloh national military park. He was discovered by tourists taking a tour who identified a distant figures looking like a child and I'll speak more on this in a minute. I want to go over some of the things I did it all started when I was scouring some thirty seven year old FBI files. So this was a cold case I hadn't looked at it in a long time, the FBI files, but I hope to find something intriguing when I noticed under the child abduction section. The case involving a young boy, he'd been abducted in nineteen eighty to remember that date from his Arizona residence was located in south western Tennessee wandering as a state park three days. Later, what caught my eye is that this was marked s kidnapping and there is no Rassam call the FBI were brought. Brought in was discovered in another state I managed to get. My hands are heavily redacted police report anything. This old has been archived and available on special website that investigators and people like myself have access to. Anyway the report related how the victim and three other children were in a field performing jumps and bike tricks on their stingray bicycle. This was in the tunnel oatman Arizona. The report described that the children had built a ramp and Eastwood perform a jump overstock of tires. Twelve tourists visiting the nearby town. Of Open, Arizona Twenty, two residents including the children's parents were attended seated on the homemade set of bleachers the. The victim was a last minute. Jump is by crash on the other side of the tires. But he had vanished before I. go any further. You need to know that police FBI reports made available to the public investigators like myself are cryptic to say the least heavily abbreviated redacted especially when a child is involved, often there are more black lines and there are complete sentences I contacted as many residents of what is virtually the ghost town of oatman Arizona as I could, and as of this podcast talking to you now open is pretty much a tourist trap or tourist attraction of the twelve phone calls and several emails. Emails I had one hit after fifteen minutes. A small top Mrs Jones said she remembered the incident written up and said, the boy's name was billy something. She didn't remember the last name I promise not to use her name. That's why it's Mrs Jones. She also confided that I should talk to William Howard. Who she thought saw the boy vanished was one of the witnesses, another couple of phone calls, I located Mr Howard in an assisted living, Sattar outside Apache Junction, Arizona and ninety four years old, but very alert, and after much pro Bain was able to remember billy's last name falstaff. He said like the beer. After contacting the county sheriff's Department and Officer the FBI located in Phoenix and coming up empty. My next move was to contact the folks that oversee the tours of the Shiloh state military park at Tennessee where billy was found again, nothing with no other ideas, I reluctantly decided tobacco the story for days. After making that decision, I received an email from escondido California wanted to. To know how investigation into billy falstaff was GOI. The email came from a woman whose father had passed away recently to events prompted her to contact me I at the funeral were several reenactor. So the battle of Shiloh who were on the tour when billy was spotted and they had heard about my inquiries and related them to her second while going through her father's. Journals, in the garage, she discovered that he was the doctor that treated billy. I assume that the boy might have been treated for shock said rather than emailed us much her response knocked me out of my chair. Her father had removed a civil war era, many ball for the boys of thigh. I E mail back asking if she meant bullet. Corresponds was an emphatic? No, it was a mini ball and she had founded wrapped in wax paper stapled to the top of journal explaining the injury. I asked her if she could take a picture of the Journal and the mini ball and send it to me as an attachment, and she did this was just getting better and better I punched billy's age in my calculator added the elapsed thirty seven years from nineteen. Nineteen eighty to two, thousand, nineteen. When I originally did this story by the way, it was twenty nineteen to come up with his current age of forty eight. But stopped short of putting the calculator away. He vanished April six, eight, nineteen, eighty, two exactly to the day a hundred and twenty years since the battle of Shiloh April six, eighteen, sixty, two I had to find billy assuming he'd been taken backed Zona. Check on the name full staff. I only found one in the region and the individual had no connection with billy falstaff through contact with law enforcement and see icy is checked. One Way and falstaff was in Marian panicked century medium Security Federal Prison in Illinois. My problem or prisons are notoriously tight lipped. When it comes to giving out information about prisoners, I submitted a form requesting physical characteristics, scars, and received a brief description that could have been anyone, but was rewarded when the description. Description included scar on the right upper five fading and thought to have been caused by something when he was quite young. This was my boy. But I figured I'd taken the story of force. I could my last effort at communicating with him. Was a letter addressed to William falstaff of Marianne. Federal Prison Forty Five, hundred person road. I received a response twelve hours later but not from. Roy. is a man of few words. Emailed me asking what my interest in William falstaff was. Through several emails, I determined I was communicating with an agent of the FBI. William had escape just days after my form was received, requesting physical description had an interesting story and a series of events linked together giving it credence. But nothing really solid dealing with phone calls. Receiving emails does not truly make story, but I just couldn't let it drop I, assume that Billy's parents were deceased or at least out of the picture, but someone must have known him between the time. He was governed Tennessee in his incarceration in federal prison. I started this new search with child protective services. I ONA than in Tennessee, all people that might have been involved were retired and some deceased and all records had been archived, and for the most part sealed dead end I reexamined my progress. Progress first scanning the FBI reports realize that I'd been conducting what amounted to missing person case surprise than I put knowledge that a doctor had removed a civil war era, many ball who billy side out of my mind, it just seemed to weird. That's all still decided to take a look at children involved in the civil war. It was a simple search to determine that preteens as young as ten were often horse and wagon tenders during the civil war and never really fought in any battles. I contacted the Museum Child Military Park for any information on children involved in the battle next I placed ads in several newspapers, able Tennessee and Arizona asking for information on William or Billy Falstaff I. Received a call few days later from Virginia falstaff. Smith Billy. Sister. Jackpot. My first question was the most difficult. Did she know that billy had escaped from prison? She laughed and said, he hadn't escaped. They'd lost him that they were transferring him from Marian, a medium security prison to a minimum security and when the bus arrived. On board. After a few awkward moments I continue by question, this was not a happy person and after a few questions, she let me know in no uncertain terms that it was going to cost me to continue I, let her go and thirty seven years. He must have had a girlfriend I felt I could put together billy's character. I might be able to track him by employment. The problem was what? What I didn't Arizona I had to do, in Tennessee, every knock at my door pulled me away from my computer, my chuck, the time it was six o'clock. I opened the door and stood facing a young man of about thirty that could have been a salesman toy opened his mouth I talked to Virginia. You said you might be willing to pay for information on her brother he said. I didn't make the connection for a minute. I stood just staring at him. Oh. Yes. I said Billy What no I can't pay anything I told him flat out. He made a face and told me not to worry about it I. Asked him how he knew billy, he said, and this is a quote I knew who he was and he sat on the bus in front of me. You were be transferred to a minimum security prison I. Ask. That's right. Right you said he was real easy going. Didn't talk much I. Ask if he ever mentioned it eventless childhood and the Guy said if you're asking about how he got shot in the leg now. Okay. That ends the story of where to bill ago, and then I continued later with the strange case, falstaff. That's what I'm into right now, I found the. The story interesting. But it was thirty seven year old case of child abduction at least asked what the FBI called it. I let it drop but four days after making the decision. I was contacted by a woman whose father had treated billy and had pulled a civil war era. Many ball from his upper thigh aside from being totally blown away by that fact, I jumped back on research wack. I, had to find billy. I managed to trace to a medium security prison. Illinois shortly after I located as residents he was in the process of being transported to a minimum security prison loaded on a special transport plus with thirteen other prisoners. But when the bus arrived at his destination was not on board. That brings you up to date with this particular story. The strange case, billy falstaff I'd communicated with billy sister who wants to be paid for information on him. She did provide a picture of him just before he was arrested and car serrated. Once again, I hit it get in. That isn't until I was visited at my office in Ashland Oregon. By Tony Gale, he'd Billy soulmate Y'all have been on the bus with. With Billy, he'd gotten my name from billy sister with whom he had been in touch. The only thing I got out of Mr Gail was that billy always said, he was a child of the civil war and that when they were lined up ready to be checked onto the bus, billy told him that he'd never make it after a number of phone calls. I determined that billy was definitely checked onto the bus. Bus at the bus made no stops and was manned by experienced driver in two guards and was followed by an escort vehicle. Great. I was back to the question where billy go before, we let the story. Go I decided to email the picture of billy as a young man to the daughter of the doctor who extracted the mini ball from Billy Sti-. Again, I was ready to bag the story then I received. Received a phone call from Escondido California. It was the daughter of that Dr at had treated billy and she'd bound him. She said, you re guy thought in the Shiloh bookstore across from Shiloh. Now, cemetery on the back wall were a dozen photos of union soldiers in various dressing colluding drummer. She took a picture with her iphone. Emailed it to me as an attachment. There was no mistaking that the drummer was billy. Shocker was the name below the photo at red. Union drummer. Billy falstaff killed at the battle Pittsburg landing and that was another name for Shiloh bath, April seventh eighteen, sixty two. But she went one step further and visited the Shiloh national cemetery and found a headstone. dully flagstaff born eighteen fourteen died eighteen sixty two that would make him forty eight years old the same age as the billy falstaff that vanish from the prison bus will of the two hundred plus podcast stories I've aired. I ended up doing more research on this than any other story. That's why I'm repeating this to you I. Know I have many skeptics of the story. So I'll put down some facts, Oatman Arizona where eleven year old billy vanished in front of Twenty, two adult witnesses in nineteen, eighty two is now virtual ghost town, the population of one, hundred, twenty, eight although at this reading that was. That was the middle of last year. So as I read this to you now, it still has a small population, but is a tourist attraction. The only witness William Howard to the vanishing that I could locate was ninety four, the time I. talked with him and he says sense passed away the billy vanished from the prison bus could be explained away I guess. But what can't be explained is his picture in the bookstore and the headstone with his name in the Shiloh national cemetery. Of course, there's also civil war era, many ball. There was taken from the upper five and eleven year old boy found wandering cemetery fifteen, hundred miles from where the FBI said he was abducted. And, that was the strange case of Billy falstaff. And that was also a combined story did awarded Billy Go. These stories are produced here at night. Owl Sounds Studio and brought to you by the rogue, Valley. But Physical Library and by stories of this street and adventure in life on the edge located at Kit Chrome, dot com, and by internationally recognized psychic Sharon. Bauer. I also want to say very excited about the new podcast in the evening, chasing the dark stories of the paranormal. These are stories presented in the same fashion, same serial fashion as old time radio mysteries, thirty minutes segments are. Stories, hope you're enjoying those. I'm kid chrome. Thanks for listening.
A story you wont believe
"Welcome to kiss miss and mystery. Signed your host Kit Crumbs. I WanNa talk about research for a moment of the of the hundreds of novels and novellas hybrid nor the past twenty years of the three hundred plus stories. I've written for this podcast research was a backbone and one story in particular stance out and I've received hundreds of emails asking me to repeat this. I've got the script in front of me. For this. That evolves the research. It came out in two stories one was called. Where DID BILLY GO? The other one was a strange case of Billy falstaff referring to the same individual so I will read these as clearly as possible. Today's podcast where to billy go is by far the most bizarre story. I've ever run across because it is so unbelievable. I've decided to relate the steps taken in an effort to make sensible this remember. Those words were part of the podcast almost a year ago. This is a story of an eleven year. Old Boy who vanished from just outside Tucson Arizona. While performing in front of twenty two adult witnesses he was discovered seventy two hours later wandering across a civil war battlefield fifteen hundred miles distance in the southwestern area of Tennessee. The site was Shiloh national military park. He was discovered by tourists taking a tour who identified a distant figures looking like a child. And I'll speak more on this in a minute. I want to go over some of the things I did. It all started when I was scouring some thirty seven year old. Fbi files so. This was a cold case. I hadn't looked at it in a long time the FBI files. But I hope to find something intriguing when I noticed under the child. Abduction section the case involving a young boy he'd been abducted in nineteen eighty to remember that date from his Arizona. Residence was located in south western Tennessee wandering as a state park three days later. What caught my eye is that this was marked s kidnapping and there is no. Rassam call the FBI were brought in was discovered in another state. I managed to get my hands on a heavily redacted. Police report anything. This old has been archived and is available on special website that investigators and people like myself have access to anyway. The report related how the victim and three other children were in a field performing jumps and bike tricks on their stingray bicycle. So this was in the tunnel oatman Arizona. The report described that the children had built a ramp and Eastwood. Perform a jump. Overstock tires twelve tourists. Visiting the nearby town of Open Arizona. Twenty two residents including the children's parents were attended seated on the homemade set of bleachers. The victim was a last minute. Jump is by crash on the other side of the tires but he had vanished before I go any further. You need to know that police. Fbi reports made available to the public. Investigators like myself are cryptic to say the least heavily abbreviated redacted especially when a child is involved often. There are more black lines. And they're complete sentences. I contacted as many residents of what is virtually the ghost town of oatman Arizona as I could. And as of this podcast talking to you now open is pretty much a tourist trap or tourist attraction of the twelve phone calls and several emails. I had one hit after fifteen minutes. A small top. Mrs Jones said she remembered the incident written up and said the boy's name was billy something she didn't remember the last name. I promise not to use her name. That's why it's Mrs Jones. She also confided that I should talk to William Howard who she thought saw. The boy vanished was one of the witnesses another couple of phone calls. I located Mr Howard in an assisted living Sattar outside Apache junction. Arizona was ninety four years old but very alert and after much pro. Bain was able to remember. Billy's last name falstaff. He said like the beer after contacting the county sheriff's Department and Officer the FBI located in Phoenix and coming up empty. My next move was to contact the folks that oversee the tours of the Shiloh state military park at Tennessee. Where billy was found again? Nothing with no other ideas. I reluctantly decided tobacco the story for days. After making that decision I received an email from Escondido. California wanted to know how investigation into Billy falstaff was GOI. The email came from a woman whose father had passed away recently to events prompted her to contact me. I at the funeral were several reenactor. So the battle of Shiloh. Who were on the tour when billy was spotted and they had heard about my inquiries and related them to her second while going through her father's notes files and journals in the garage. She discovered that he was the doctor. That treated billy. I assume that the boy might have been treated for shock said rather than emailed us much. Her response knocked me out of my chair. Her father had removed a civil war. Era many ball for the boys of Thi- I e mail back asking if she meant bullet corresponds was an emphatic. No it was a mini ball and she had founded wrapped in wax. Paper stapled to the top of journal explaining the injury. I asked her if she could take a picture of the Journal. And the mini ball and send it to me as an attachment and she did. This was just getting better and better. I punched billy's age in my calculator added the elapsed thirty seven years from nineteen eighty to two thousand nineteen when I originally did this story by the way it was twenty nineteen to come up with his current age of forty eight but stopped short of putting the calculator away. He vanished April six. Eight nineteen eighty two exactly to the day a hundred and twenty years since the battle of Shiloh April. Six eighteen sixty two. I had to find. Billy assuming he'd been taken back. Arizona. I ran a check on the name full staff. I only found one in the region and the individual had no connection with billy falstaff through contact with law enforcement and see icy see is checked. One William falstaff was in Marian penitentiary a medium security federal prison in Illinois. My problem or prisons are notoriously tight lipped. When it comes to giving out information about prisoners I submitted a form requesting physical characteristics scars and received a brief description that could have been anyone but was rewarded when the description included scar on the right upper five fading and thought to have been caused by something when he was quite young. This was my boy but I figured I'd taken the story of force. I could my last effort at communicating with him was a letter addressed to William falstaff of Marianne Federal Prison. Forty five hundred person road. I received a response twelve hours later but not from Roya. A man of few words emailed me asking what my interest in William falstaff was through several emails. I Determined I was communicating with an agent of the FBI. William had escaped just days after my form was received requesting physical description had an interesting story and a series of events linked together giving it credence but nothing really solid dealing with phone calls. Receiving emails does not truly make story. But I just couldn't let it drop. I assume that Billy's parents were deceased or at least out of the picture but someone must have known him between the time he was discovered. Tennessee in his incarceration in federal prison. I started this new search with child protective services. I ONA than in Tennessee. All people that might have been involved were retired and some deceased and all records had been archived and for the most part sealed dead and I reexamined my progress since first scanning the FBI reports realize that. I'd been conducting. What amounted to missing person? Case Surprise I put knowledge that a doctor had removed a civil war era. Many ball for billy side out of my mind. It just seemed to weird. That's all still decided to take a look at children involved in the civil war. It was a simple search to determine that preteens as young as ten were often horse and wagon tenders during the civil war and never really fought in any battles. I contacted the Museum Child Military Park for any information on children involved in the battle next. I placed ads in several newspapers. Symbol Tennessee and Arizona. Asking for information on William or Billy falstaff. I actually received a call. Few days later from Virginia falstaff Smith Billy Sister Jackpot. My first question was the most difficult. Did she know that billy had escaped from prison? She laughed and said he hadn't escaped. They'd lost him that they were transferring him from Marian a medium security prison to a minimum security and when the bus arrived on board after a few awkward moments. I continue by question. This was not a happy person and after a few questions she let me know in no uncertain terms that it was going to cost me to continue. I let her go and thirty seven years. He must have had a girlfriend. I felt I could put together. Billy's character I might be able to track him by employment. The problem was what I didn't Arizona. I had to do in Tennessee. Every knock at my door pulled me away from my computer my chuck the time. It was six o'clock. I opened the door and stood facing a young man of about thirty. That could have been a salesman toy opened his mouth. I talked to Virginia. You said you might be willing to pay for information on her brother. He said I didn't make the connection for a minute. I stood just staring at him. Oh yes I said. Billy yeah what do you want no? I can't pay anything. I told him flat out. He made a face and told me not to worry about it. I asked him how he knew. Billy he said and this is a quote. I knew who he was and he sat on the bus in front of me. You were be transferred to a minimum security prison. I ask that's right. He said he was real easy. Going didn't talk much. I ask if he ever mentioned it. Eventless childhood and the Guy said if you're asking about how he got shot in the leg now okay. That was the story of where to bill ago. And then I continued later with the strange case. Falstaff that's what I'm into right now. I found the story interesting but it was thirty seven year. Old Case of child abduction. At least ask the FBI called it. I let it drop but four days. After making the decision I was contacted by a woman whose father had treated billy and had pulled a civil war era many ball from his upper thigh. Aside from being totally blown away by that fact I jumped back on research. Wack I had to find billy I managed to trace it to a medium Security Prison Illinois shortly after I located as residents. He was in the process of being transported to a minimum security prison loaded on a special transport plus with thirteen other prisoners but when the bus arrived at his destination was not on board. That brings you up to date with this particular story. The strange case billy falstaff. I'd communicated with billy sister who wants to be paid for information on him. She did provide a picture of him just before he was arrested and car serrated once again I hit it get in. That is until I was visited at my office in Ashland Oregon by Tony Gale. He'd Billy soulmate. Y'All have been on the bus with billy. He'd gotten my name from billy sister with whom he had been in touch. The only thing I got out of Mr Gail was that billy always said he was a child of the civil war and that when they were lined up ready to be checked onto the bus. Billy told him that he'd never make it after number phone calls. I determined that. Billy was definitely checked onto the bus at the bus made no stops and was manned by experienced driver and two guards and was followed by an escort vehicle great. I was back to the question. Where Billy go before we let the story go. I decided to email the picture of billy as a young man to the daughter of the doctor who extracted the mini ball from Billy Sti- again. I was ready to bag the story. Then I received a phone call from Escondido California. It was the daughter of that Dr at had treated billy and she'd bound him. She said you re guy thought in the Shiloh bookstore across from Shiloh. National Cemetery on the back wall were a dozen photos of union soldiers in various dressing colluding drummer. She took a picture with her iphone. Emailed it to me as an attachment. There was no mistaking that the drummer was billy. But the shocker was the name below the photo at Red Union Drummer Billy. Falstaff killed at the battle Pittsburg landing and that was another name for Shiloh Bath. April seventh eighteen sixty two but she went one step further and visited the Shiloh national cemetery and found a headstone dully flagstaff. Born eighteen. Fourteen died eighteen. Sixty two that would make him. Forty eight years old. Same Age as the billy falstaff that vanish from the prison. Bus will of the two hundred plus podcast stories. I've aired. I ended up doing more research on this than any other story. That's why I'm repeating this to you. I know I have many skeptics of the story. So I'll put down some facts open Arizona. Where eleven year old. Billy vanished in front of twenty two adult witnesses in nineteen eighty two is now virtual ghost town the population of one hundred twenty eight. Although at this reading that was that was the middle of last year. So as I read this to you now it still has a small population but is a tourist attraction the only witness William Howard to the vanishing that I could locate was ninety four at the time I talked with him and he says since passed away. The billy vanished from the prison. Bus could be explained away. I guess but what can't be explained is his picture in the bookstore and the headstone with his name in the Shiloh national cemetery. Of course there's also civil war era many ball there was taken from the upper five and eleven year old boy found wandering cemetery fifteen hundred miles from where the FBI said he was abducted. And that was strange. Case of Billy falstaff and that was also a combined story did awarded Billy Go. These stories are produced here at night. 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HRN Road Show Meetups Announced for June 21, 2021 by Kemin Equine
"This is horse. Radio network abused food horses in on a. You're listening to the number one horse podcast in the world. Here's your entertaining. Look at the horse world and the people in it. Good morning everybody. This is glenda geek from ocala florida. You're listening to horses in the morning on the horse radio network for june the twenty first episode twenty seven. Oh eight we are brought to you today by kaman equine. Well jamie is out today. She's actually travelling back from her her. Fantastic weekend out. There at flag is up farms. I'm sure many of you saw the pictures and the videos of her being a superstar out there. And you know what. I'm gonna do this right away. I just want to give her my daily winnie and tell her how proud we are of her and everything that she's accomplished in that she's done in earning her certification and helping people to train horses in less violent manner We're very proud of you. Jamie and i know she won't listen to this so her head won't get big and i wouldn't do this normally on a day when she was here because in her head would get beg so i'm doing it when she's not here. We're very proud of you girl. And she'll be back on wednesday tomorrow. We have the a special horse illustrated episode of horses in the morning. And you're gonna want to join us. We have probably the biggest lineup. i have seen On any of our Horses in the mornings in very long time. You're definitely gonna wanna tune in tomorrow morning. But meantime today i thought i would give you a preview of the rhode show coming up in a month now our to believe Got a lot to get done here. So we're gonna be heading out on the road for five weeks starting july thirty first and we're going be visiting. You guys are listeners across the east coast from well. I'm gonna go over the itinerary with you today. So this'll be the first time that we're releasing the were when the meet ups are going to be our route and where we're stopping and all of that and we hope to meet many of you along the way at the meet ups if you're in one of the spots That were getting together. Please come on out and join us. You know if it's a trail ride you don't necessarily have to ride. I won't be writing so Bring your bike out. I don't care just come out and hang out. That's all we care about. We just wanna meet everybody that we can. And that's what this whole trip is about Before i get to ten area. I just wanted to say that today is brought to you by kevin equine. It's no surprise that americans are among the most stress people on the planet. Your horse get stressed out to every horse experiences stress caused by things like exercise environmental conditions like the weather or their everyday surroundings can even cause stress their horses Diet changes another thing. That could cause dress. All these variables contribute to the stress levels of your horse. This might come as a surprise to you. But you can help reduce the negative impact stress by feeding your horse chromium every day by lowering the levels of the stress hormone cortisol and optimizing energy use feeding chromium results in improved body upkeep health performance and overall wellbeing. But this is important. Don't feed just any chromium feed your horse. The only fda reviewed source of chromium appropriate on the market today can trace chromium from kevin for by name and stress less learn more about chemtrails chromium had kevin dot com slash chromium e. q. All right so. We're very excited to announce our stops if go to horse radio network dot com or horses in the morning dot com and click on the banner at the top of the page. You're going to see a page. That has all of our stops on it now. We don't have all the details on every stop yet. But at least you'd have the date and the time and where it is so you know you can make a plan to be there. And then we'll be doing facebook Event pages for every one of the stops. You can sign up. And we'll give all the details on their about locations and times and all of that some of it we have and some of the stops. We don't have. But i wanted to go through them with you if you're on the west coast and not interested in this. Then we'll see you tomorrow morning for a very special horse illustrated episode here on horses in the morning. If you're on the east coast and want to hear a little bit more about our adventure coming up than hang out and we'll chat about it. Well i we are leaving on july. The thirty first and we are heading into alabama from georgia. Take in drive up there. We're going to be staying at a listeners. Home in alabama. And we're looking forward to that. Apparently they have mini so that should be a lot of fun and then for our first meet up is going to be a northern alabama. Almost on the tennessee. Line near decatur alabama and auditor juliana is organizing a late sunday trail. Ride this is an august. I don't expect you remember all these dates or anything you can go to or radio network dot com and click on the banner to see that but she's late sunday trail ride along the tennessee river. And that's going to be a lot of fun. Apparently they're gonna have amount for jennifer. And i'll be writing along on the electric bike so doing video and taking pictures the guys so this is going to be along the tennessee river apparently in the river. It's very cool spot. there's places to park and allow your horses to go into the river so we're going to give it the announcement on the exact parking place and all of that so this is on august. I and it's gonna we're gonna meet at five thirty in the evening and says sunday. So if you're anywhere in the southern tennessee or northern alabama range there then that's the meet up for you then. We're heading into tennessee for very special day on wednesday august fourth. Have an open house at kobe's army therapeutic center and she's gonna have snacks and give a tour and that kind of thing and then we're heading over to a really cool place and it's called. It's called the livery stables and we're going to be doing a concert temple thompsons putting on a concert. Plus maybe some others from nash. Bill will be there as well. So this is right outside of nashville just to the north. So we're going to be doing a concert there attempts and thompson with templeton thompson. And we would love you to come out in person. it's free we're accepting donations for kobe's army and four templeton so we'd love to see as many people as you can. So if you're in the nashville area. Or any part of that. Western tennessee or southern kentucky On that side definitely stop out and see us. We would love for you to hang out. Enjoy the music and for those that you that can't be there. We're going to be broadcasting that live so it'd be one of the events that we're gonna put out live from from from nashville and you're going to be able to watch the concert at home so that'll be fun to. We're hoping we can get range with the proper equipment then from there on august the fourth. We're leaving. we're going to be doing that in tennessee. and then we're heading up to kentucky. of course we're going to be going to lexington. We're going to be spending a weekend. And they're there and jamie will be joining us in lexington kentucky so august the seventh in the late afternoon. We're going to be doing picnic or dinner. We're not sure what we're working out the details now but it's a saturday. August the seventh for all of our kentucky friends and anybody around lexington police do come out and see jamie. It's the only stop that jamie's going to be on the whole trip so she'll be there all weekend with us. We're going to be doing some other fun stuff in lexington august seventh late afternoon and monday were cited because we get to do our show horses in the morning from kentucky performance products which has been our longest sponsor on the horse radio network. They've been with us for twelve years now. So we're going to do the show from kentucky performance products on that monday mornings very cool so august. Seventh lexington kentucky. Save that date then. We're driving up to michigan and we're gonna be doing some horse camping. There's a horse campground up. There called farm lane campground. It's in grass lake michigan which is kind of the southern part michigan and marie. Setting this up. We're going to be staying there for three nights. So feel free on august ninth through the twelfth to come out and hang out with us. Stay with us. Bring your horse camp. And we're going to be doing a formal trail ride on august tenth at eleven am and out of the farmland farmland camp ground. She said the trail systems. There are the best in michigan. So it's very cool. It's the waterloo recreation area You can camp overnight and hang up by the fire with us or just come out for a day ride. You know if you wanna trailer for a day ride. that's fine. It should be a lot of fun. They're finding amount for jennifer again. Where you will have on for jennifer. And i'll be riding along so definitely join us for that on on august tenth and you can camp over the night before if you don't have a horse don't want on the trail ride at just wanna come camping. That's fine too. We would love to see you and hang out with you and if you if you don't wanna do the trail ride and have a bike. Then come along with me. So that's in michigan and from michigan. Then we're heading to ohio. We're going to be doing a meet up with frankie levato of exerciser fame at the exerciser studio at frankie's place. So we're joining frankie for an afternoon barbecue you'll get to ride an exerciser eat. Some food is a pool there. We can relax have a little bit of barbecue and hang out. There are details already on the website you can. Rsvp to that on the facebook page again go to horse radio network. Click on the banner for the road trip. And you'll see links to all of this. So that's on thursday august twelfth at four pm at at in norwalk which is northern ohio. If you're in that range or area the norwalk area then please feel free to hang out with us. We're also gonna be heading over to the akron area and we're going to be doing a dinner for podcasters. Actually is a bunch of podcasters. That i know in that area and we're also inviting any listeners. That want to come out. And we'll be announcing more about that on friday august thirteenth. Then we head into pennsylvania. We have three places in pennsylvania. We're going to be stopping one is. We're going to be doing. Meet up at uncle. Jimmy's place up. Yes sir. jimmy's hang involves fame. And that's a newcastle pennsylvania. We'll be announcing more about the details of that. That's sunday august fifteenth. And then heading down to allison park which is kind of in the pittsburgh area and we're we'll be finding out more about that too We'll have more details about that shortly to but that's on august eighteenth and then on august the twenty first. We're heading over. I'm very excited. We're going to spend in the weekend in maryland at. We're going to be heading to jacqueline's farm. She's at one of our terrific. Auditors have hill equestrian center in damascus maryland. All you marilyn people come out to her place on saturday august twenty first early afternoon. We'll be having a barbecue and hanging out all day and we would just love to see you. There is kind of a good location and maryland. So we're hoping to get as many people as we can in the maryland. Northern virginia area out to damascus on august. The twenty first. And then we're heading back to pennsylvania to lancaster county where we where i grew up and we're going to be spending three nights there with one of our auditors at a campground and we're going to be doing an august the twenty fifth late afternoon. We'll be doing some kind of meet up. We're not sure yet. But if you're in that lancaster county berks county area. That'll be the meet up for you and then on the way back to florida. We're going to stop in. Virginia somewhere in virginia for a meet up on august the thirtieth details to be announced. And then we're going to be doing the final stop in north carolina on september. The first in the afternoon and we'll be getting more details about that so at least we have the dates and the places you'll be able to kind of set aside a day and then more details will come at all. Be fun at all. be exciting. Y'all get to meet each other. You know some other coa listeners. Of course radio network and you get to meet jennifer. And i and we just have some fun together. And we're going to do some recordings. We're gonna do interviews. We're gonna do video so you know you'll be able to joy at home if you can't go meet us any one of these stops you'll definitely be able to enjoy at home as well on horses. In the morning. We'll be doing special episodes and the road of horses in the morning. We'll be doing a ton of videos and posting them so definitely join us on horses. In the morning. Facebook page and the auditor facebook page as well we'll be doing special auditor videos and just kind of qna's and hanging out with you guys on the trip. So if you keep so. Keep an eye out for those as well over on the auditor page well. That's it for today again. Go to horse radio network dot com horses in the morning dot com click on the banner has the complete list of stops and dates and as we get more details would be posting those as we go along but we're five weeks away i think We installed a new couch in our in our rv over the weekend because the old one was horrendous and was absolutely awful finding a new couch right now with the shortages of everything that involves rb was interesting. But i think we got the last one from camping world that will fit in that spot kind of an odd spot the way it's designed but we installed that only about half a day and we finally got. It installed much more comfortable than the old couch. I'll make the trip a little bit better and actually freeze ups in storage for us to and i'm doing a little painting in there and sprucing it up a bit so we'll have what looks like all new camper when we head out. Thank you everybody for joining us today tomorrow. Horse illustrated and then wednesday jamie's back and we'll hear all about her weekend over at flag up for.
Movie dogs and a more than hundredfold foster dog mom
"This program is rated D. for dog. It contains sniffing scratching and doggy themes. Hello and welcome to the top dog podcast where we meet people who do amazing things for and with dogs. My name is Adrian `Pisco. Let's see what's in it for you and for your dog. Know I wrote that book because I had fostered one hundred dogs and. I couldn't believe that there was still such a huge number of dogs endanger an still needing rescued and. I kind of got to the point where I had a very difficult dog and I wrote about her in the book probably one of the hardest definitely the hardest at that point and so I started to think I don't WanNa do this forever? Am I going to be rescuing dogs on eighty? I can't continue to foster forever I decided that I needed to go see what was happening. So she did and she witnessed some heart wrenching moments in dog who's in the south of the United. States. The American author and Dog Rescue Advocate Karasu Hochberg. We will talk to her about her this book, one, hundred dogs and counting one woman ten thousand miles on a journey into the heart of shelters and rescues. I think at the end and connection recite. The stall in Jason. Every day arrived in my. Be. Everybody. Just reading when they saw him and. Nobody said Jason Momoa Bentiu it took knit ski the proud mum of the Movie Dog. Star. Mister big bigger than the international star Jason Momoa. From the movie man this is one of the many movies and commercials bent as dogs performing and Bente will tell us hold the gossip. This is the Paddock Iron Brit. The tornado carried me all the Red Cross that big boulder over there since dogs do not have the best eyesight stelter could only recognize a black dot in the far distance. The very end of the paddock seemed melt together with the sky. She took a deep breath and continued on. A, big and challenging maybe dangerous journey laser pirate the Barking Kookaburra and his foster steles a the dog, this episode number thirteen in our audio book series about lost Kookaburra and his friends, a bunch of kind and funny dog soon. Stay. Karasu October is an American author of writer novelist blogger and dog rescue advocate. She also teaches workshops on intentional living and creative writing characteristic lifts in New Freedom Pennsylvania with her family with chickens, horses, and a constant stream of foster dogs. She has a couple of bestselling novels in pocket and recently published a new book, one hundred dogs and counting in the subtitle. It's it's. About. One, more than ten thousand miles on a journey into the heart of shelters and rescues characteristic. Welcome to the show. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Now what does the title of Your New Book suggests that you have been a false the dog onto one hundred dogs yeah. So now it's one hundred and seventy five dogs. That's why you called and counting. That's right. Sequel is sort of in. The in the drawer? We'll see I don't know that that's between my agent, my publisher and me we're talking about things but nothing like nothing like that my one, hundred, seventy, five dogs that ease a lot of dog of don't know how many years and I will ask you questions about that a bit lighter I want to know now is that actually what inspired you to write that book the looked after so many dogs. Me Now I wrote that book because I fostered one hundred dogs and. I couldn't believe that there was still such a huge number of dogs endanger and still needing rescued and I kind of got to the point where I had had very difficult dog and I wrote about her in the book probably one of the hardest. If definitely the hardest at that point and so I started to think I, don't want to do this forever. Am I gonNA be rescuing dogs when I'm eighty I can't continue to foster forever. So I decided that I needed to go see what was happening because if we fostered one hundred dogs and we had made it then then. Obviously, there's a bigger problem. And so I traveled to the shelters I started going down to the shelters. Meeting the people that were there trying to figure out why? Whereas this endless stream of dogs coming from and that's That's why I wrote the book because what I discovered when I was down there I just realized. I. Didn't know that when I was up to my eyeballs in foster dogs than the average person doesn't realize how many dogs are still. Endangered now in new book is that you discovered things in these shelters that broke your heart. Can you tell us what you found maybe without breaking our Hans if possible? Challenge in writing the book was to tell the story without breaking hearts because you know everyone says, Oh, I don't WanNa read a book about a dog it will make me cry. The heartbreaking stuff for me. Yeah. You do meet dogs that you know aren't GonNa ever make it out of that shelter. So that's that's really hard but many times there's a reason for that. For. That particular. Dogs live out their lives in some shelters so. It's hard one some shelters. There are dogs that aren't GonNa make it out because maybe their dog aggressive maybe they've broken down from the stress of living in a shelter. There's to have health issues, but sometimes dogs that are sitting there on cement floors for year literally for years that to me is so heartbreaking that they very few shelters in the south of the US In a rural areas especially, very few of them have the money or the personnel for these dogs to get very much. Attention or engagement they don't have toys they don't have beds. The don't get treats sometimes a lot of times actually they don't get dewormed and they don't have. Flea tick preventative. So there's no, it's not a happy life and to me. I I don't know which is worse for them to be humanely euthanized or to to suffer for so many years I said that's that was sort of heartbreak for me. You know with the flip side is the people down there are there are so many people working really hard to try to make it better. It's just it's an enormous problem. Thing. We all know or have seen pictures from dog shelters overcrowded dog shelters. In seems to be universal problem an issue You know where that comes from is America different in that regard, and the rest of the world is the why do people get rid of the dogs? I don't know if the US is different because I haven't been to shelters and other countries and I know you know there are places where it's far worse But in the in a American south. it's a culture down in many places where they do not spay neuter their pets they let them run loose. So you combine those two dogs that are not contained in dogs at an isolated neutered and you end up with a lot of extra dogs and then there is you know there are other little factions of it. There are people who want to breed their dogs like backyard breeders, especially reading pit bulls. chihuahuas seemed to be the shelters are drowning in two hours and pit bulls. and. So I think that I don't know if that's universal enough that's everywhere but just the not spaying neutering, and then just this attitude of I wouldn't bring this animal into my you know they don't bring the animals into their house. They're not family members in a lot of dog people think of their dogs as a family member and we can't imagine making our dog live in the yard but it's the flip side down. There are many places where they could never imagine you know they just assumed bring a donkey in the house they're not going to bring. They wouldn't bring the dogs in a house and. You know. so that creates a different situation in I think in the rural south in the US. Has the corona pandemic made a difference in in Australia as an example as the country went into lockdown. In light marks it became more and more difficult to adopt a rescue dog and even fostering dog people being locked into their homes wanted a companion and got themselves dog. who also is that also the case in the USA That was absolutely the case in the beginning you know March. April. May. there were dogs. You know a lot of shelters emptying out especially in the northeast in cities and also in the south, they were definitely feeling that you but there were also places that. The the government runs shelters, especially public shelters where they were just they were shutting down and and so any dog that couldn't get out to be fostered or adopted or move by rescue was being euthanized and didn't happen in huge numbers because so many people stepped up to help. So that was a wonderful thing. But now here we are what six months later and We have we had three months where there were no spay and neuter surgeries that was an elective surgery. So that has set us back. I don't even know how long. So they are. You know kittens by the bazillions at ills like in the shelters plenty of unwanted puppies were born and a now as it drags on and people are struggling economically. I just touched base with a couple of shelters one in Mississippi and one in. North. Carolina and another in South Carolina to find out you know how is it? How is it now and they're seeing a ton of dogs coming in the North Carolina I was told the numbers are right back where they were prior to this same number dogs coming in August is a huge month for them every year. People getting rid of the dogs I guess before they go back to school I don't know. Why that timing is what it is, but now you know people can't take care of their families so they can't take care of their dogs. So they are dumping dogs. So the shelters are filling backup and many of the rural places. You're pointing the finger at the crisis itself. So you do think should actually look agreed that book and locally look at problem look at the crisis and try to find a solution who should do that I. Think it's irresponsibility I think it's I. Think our government should be and just like we we pay, you know public we pay taxes and and so we get services like snow removal or you know trash. Pick up or whatever that is that we're paying for our services police protection. We domesticated dogs that that's on the human race. We're the ones that did it, and now we leave these dogs to fend for themselves and kill them because they're a nuisance and and so I feel like it's our responsibility and in a well run shelter also should not cost any government a lot of money a well run shelter. Should be doing progressive programs. The has has the foster program. Volunteer program has a good system of vetting the animals and becoming a community resource so that they can offer locale cost spay and neuter so that they can offer training help so that they can offer economic help when it's needed. Some surrendering our dog because they can't afford dog food. Well, that's easy. That's an easy fix. You know there's a lot of. Yeah I feel like if the government were to. Initially. Fund. Shelters and put progressive leadership in charge of those shelters it's not going to be an expensive thing. Adoption fees are GonNa end and fundraising and. Using foster homes volunteers to work with the animals that those are not. A those are moneymakers. You know they're not gonNA they're going to help fund the shelter itself so I don't. But. If you don't even have a building and you don't have a government that cares about that it really makes it tough I. mean there are Shining Star rescues out there that are managing to do some of this and be self sufficient but. It would be a lot easier if they had some kind of consistent. You know regulations and systems in place to do it. Recruit call your book sort of a contribution to the solution of the problem, but also you are. You fostering dogs an individual like me or any other dog lover would that be already a lot if we went out there and foster dogs and try to help find a new home for the dog does. Contribute to to the solution of the problem. Oh absolutely strings they answer in so many ways because a dog and a shelter is suffering no matter what the best shelter it's not a good life for a docs. Now, not a place where they're gonNA, you're GONNA see their best selves. So it's already automatic rate they're harder for them to get adopted because they're stressed. They may not medically be one hundred percent. There's just a lot of reasons why but in a foster home, you get to know that dog you get to know when we have a dog I and someone for instance, this little catalogue I have Right now. She's smart as a whip. She's Super Bowl. She's a little. She would definitely kill your cat. These are all things I could tell you. But if she was in a shelter you, which is see she's really pretty in a shelter you say this really pretty dog that barks a lot and I don't know and and I can manage her and I can tell someone else how to manage her and she is a once in a lifetime cool dog that you can do all kinds of things with but left in a shelter. I don't know that she would ever get adopted. So fostering I, think is the answer down the Road I. Think you know in in cares dreamworld. We would have fostering would be with the dogs will come into the shelter they get evaluated they get sent to foster homes, and that's how it worked for me, and that's again why I say I don't think it would cost that much for. For governments to pay for shelters because if you use fostering well and if you a community resource, if you you know how are neutering then I think you get this problem under control pretty easily just right now it's scattershot it's impossible to do it. Let's follow you example. Let's foster dog if you've done one hundred and seventy five time. So how easy or difficult is it on how rewarding? It depends on the dog but I've foster for a rescue and Aubrey rescue and they have really good partnerships with the shelters that they work with. So we can pretty much trust the evaluation. So I have a little idea of a dog what the dogs going to be like before it gets to my house and as a foster and I. Think this is true of anywhere you foster you choose what dog you're gonNA. Foster you not just given a given a dog. So I know what's going to get along with my personal dogs. So. It's like having my kids always said, it's like we get a new dog every two weeks when they were younger they thought it was really cool. You know. So some of the dogs they love and they were their best friends and then other dogs they're like, when are we getting a new way? They would be tired of it. Because every dogs different, they're all individuals and so. You know it's I don't I. Don't think it's that hard if you're fostering for a good organization that's giving you good support. it's it's actually really fun. Most of the time I would say it's really fun. Yeah. They're carefully if you do one, hundred, seventy, five dogs are going to have a couple of hard ones in there that are going to challenge you but by and large I count on my hand the number of dogs. that. I really struggled with through most of them. They're just dogs you know they're fun and they're easy and and and And I always like privilege and always a shock to me too like how did this amazing dog ended up in a shelter I think that a lot of the dogs that we have. The have you ever fallen in love with doggone didn't want to give it away on still with you or has been with you for a long time. Well you know in the beginning, it was every single dog. We would have to have this conversation with a family like why we're not keeping this. And it was always because if we keep it, we can't we can't get another eventually did actually in two thousand, nineteen I adopted. A dog that I met in a dogpound in Tennessee and I wanted to see her through. She should have died in that dogpound because the dog pound is the worst place to land in the United Sates in western Tennessee I would say. Not Every dogpound western Tennessee I've actually come to meet some pretty. Surprisingly awesome once but most of them, they're just holding pens they literally put the dogs in the Penn they hold them for their legal stray hold, which is a I think three to five days depending on your county and then they have them killed. And so I met her in that situation and those this heartbreaking to see year like that and I wanted to see her all the way through and she's a little pit bull mix and she's incredibly shy. So I knew she'd be really hard to get adopted and so we kept her. So that's my fantasy girl she was was hanging around here with me but. Yeah it's all right. You know making that decision every time is harder on some people but if you look at it as this is my and I've always done it, I've always done. This is I. Look at it. This is my my job is to get prepared this dog for their family. I'm not family I'm like a babysitter I'm just helping them. And keep them safe until their family shows up. Introduction also did you teaching workshops on intentional living? Can you please give us a showed overview? And At the one hundred and seventy-five foster dogs so far an influence or impact on your teaching or you've you've live for your view of the world. So, intentional living was I used to write about organic Again, am my my youngest son who is now eighteen when he was a toddler was diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder that alopicia area and it's not treatable and they don't know what causes it but they do know that there's an environmental trigger it's genetic. There's a genetic piece to it, but there's an environmental trigger so as a mom. As. Young mom I you know I took that and ran and I made our entire lives. I took everything toxic out of our world and this was before there was organic grocery. You know like a organic stuff in the grocery store. So I had to get to know farmers I had to go get stuff mean it's probably I. Think. You guys are probably further along in this and Australia than we are here. finding people, the people who actually make the food and getting the food, and then You know we raised chickens and we have a bazillion gardens, and so I was learning how to do all that. Make my own yogurt make cheese make peanut butter, make whatever ice cream so that the kids would have the stuff that they expected. And Trying to take all any kind of toxic toxic out of our environment. So I spent few years doing that and I wrote a lot about it and I wrote articles I freelanced, and so people kept asking me well, how do you do? How do you make yogurt? How do you make read? How do you? Can. Canning. was everybody wanted to know how can we were? You're canning at Tanah stuff because we needed to have it year round. So I started teaching that. From there I called it intentional living because it's not just what you eat. It's it's how you treat the world. It's how you treat other people. It's how you spend your time. It's where you spend your money, all of those things, and so I wrote a book about it And Self published it because the time I was a freelancer and I tried to be a novelist and I didn't have a clue how how to get truly published. So I self published that book. And started teaching workshops and that was really fun meeting people and and the stuff that to me was like so basic they had. You know they didn't. We're so far removed and hasn't many generations, but you know from when we had to grow making process our own food but people are very far removed from it now. So it was a lot of that and just. Talk. Being being better to this earth and better to our communities, better to our selves and our families and so that's what that was about and the dogs Kinda came along and. They did sidetrack me a bit because. They. There wasn't as much time you know and they interrupt a lot but. We. Still do that. We just canning yesterday morning. All think. So you're saying, this is the only impact, the dog's head on your intentionally leaving. That the disturbed you have in Alan would be more behind did wouldn't. Say That I, say that off the cuff but. They, they also teach us to be very intentional because Dr present there you know there's no like they're not worried about the future or the past while some are a little worried about the past they've had a bad past but. They're so present and they and also I know that what I do how I react is going to affect this little dog that's just come to my house from shelter who may emotionally be really really distraught and vulnerable. And so I have to be very intentional about Lok. For instance, if you have a young dog where you leave your shoes where you leave whatever on the dog I have right now is highly competitive and She will definitely start a fight over a toy or treat. So I have to be really intentional about where how interact with her and the other dogs and where everybody is so I do. Do, dogs, make you be present and I think that is definitely a piece of living intentionally as being present and in what you're dealing with right now right in front of you mounted dogs and counting, we can save on hundred and seventy-five dogs in candy would not ride ties. Lee said again, one hundred dogs and counting book by Kara. OCTA. It's available in every bookshop if not, then definitely online and maybe on your website, which is www dot Kara rights dot com Cara thank you very much. For Your insight into into foster dogs world. Thank you. Now, imagine. Glamour Glory. Fame movie star Paparazzis smiling at flashing lights admiration and applause from all sides. No. Not You. But your dog Bentley Duke Nikki in Queensland. Australia works in the Glitzy ritzy movie world. Thanks to her dogs which she has tried to be movie stars but how glamorous and glorious his that world really let's find out. Hello, bent. Adrian, we've got this cased talking communicating with dogs and you make big great use of that gift. You're actually training movie dog. So you have dogs that are. Actors and actresses tell us more about that. So how does that work so so you? Dogs or dogs in the meantime just recently a little property. He's now only ten weeks old. on him for he has a new future. Movies. He's a little Jack, Russell terrier, our ain't. The reason I want him to. Maybe I never was really interested in Jack Russell terriers unlike the looks of them but. I always had big dogs before maligned life I was actually really into white German shepherds who shepherds for walk on box for the movie world out say that every single line when I heard from my agency always. Jack Russell on a Jack Russell Cross. In. So in this time in particular breed, a movie will would like and not so much more I want sites. Over How to say more like a business decision this time not like I. Love. The don't get wrong but yeah, it's it's definitely all the time that they will jack russells onto him said. And I would say that in particularly 'cause they also have the in so wiggly and so. Not. Easy to train but they are very trainable in very active and. Yes so Just recently finished a movie on a couple of months ago and well, my dogs is actually the euro doc in his movies. So it's a romantic movie that gets and on Netflix six. Horn Romans on the menu Romans on the menu. Agai. AC- your always get asked by people about the film would be saying approach your law like on how did you get that in? How did you end up doing? Montgomery Pretty. Radian. In your ass maybe they have a little donation. Awesome. If they WANNA have used my dog. I have a really good story just from last week My, the there will a little TV commercial here and they were looking for A. Healthy dog. So it was all gonNa farm scene and they will. Not. Going to. One of my dogs is a border Collie County Cross, but he looks a little bit more like short hair or call. Awesome. Yuppie, but he's very well trained and he would have done the job very well but declines the. For the TV commercial thing wondered if Australian looking So they actually booked in eight months or a county for the job. My dog was booked as back up just in case the album Koby. Out So then it ended up in the lady who owned the dog she put in putting Congress on they said, all you going anyway can detect this note with you. Anderson. Is You. Try. And they said all year, he can do whatever they wanted it for the script. And, I took the dog in. What it was supposed to do so on a little bit. I was like I knew how will put down a same scene so. People always say it's quite easy or being on film set on it's absolutely not like for example, if you go can stay in your in front of you hold the trade and they just sit for maybe even. Thirty seconds. Also box what the dog has to do on film said Sit on the spot. Chill, they already tell the actors said till the Ladies Ready fixing the here again, putting up on y off some switch. Then the camera are just in front of the dog veges moving stop they had the clap of what they call out the number on this aboard, and then you have to go sometimes even outside you can't be seen in the scene in what so your dog still has to sit there and can take up to a three or five minutes on the usage distractions, and this is what people have train the dog. So he it is not enough that the dog can see for thirty seconds with Human Front of holiday retreat about you're actually shuttering. Dreams of many dog owners. Now, it happened to me once that I could witness a film scene onset and to me, it's more everybody thinks he's an exciting thing to watch how immunity gets a shots but it's more like as you explained before it's more like a waiting game because has to be ready and that does take time. So you're actually try new dog to be patient that's. All it needs somebody look good as well but mainly to be patient and to be very, very, very obedient and it's either long long way and you never know when you're seeing this is necks or in case no wanted to sit people the dog that has euro major main role in it. Then you'll busy ongoing or up to twelve hours a day. So then you just never seen in just. That the dogs have to induced to that as well and What I do is under trading raiding, the dogs particular on the few works by Dukes. Actually everyday trained by my lifestyle I'd take them everywhere. I'm stopped very early taking them to have faced and. When I say I have four dogs imagine you had four on trying knocks entitlements. How many leashes would be wrapped around chairs and tables in Stop jumping up on waitresses all. Guests. All Stop Barking at people walking past with with the dogs or kids on skateboards. I. Do that are in my everyday life just teach them to come and lay down in. That's my main thing folks. Is really how wrong with me before said, often, you can't be seen in the scene as. Off Camera as you talking about yourself and it also means that you have to be quiet because the sound is being recorded at the same time. So how do you do that with your dogs? He conscious yell your dog and say seats and stay to use sign language yes depends. On what they just taught obscene on do sometimes I'm loud to talk to them in in sometimes it's. Necessary even if it's a really difficult saying, but most of the time actually have to teach them doing things in the distance. In. On on hence signal only on my wife, we were feeling for a TV series that hasn't come out yet at one of my dogs is. Behind A. Swimming Pool fans. And he's finding a dead audience in this living pool. So he's just running from A to be like A. Line in his offing extensively to tell the own of Sora dead body in there. And so where I had to be in this particular one. Could be. Seen. Withdrawn from. Insulated No, which company. So I ended up sitting in a in A. House that didn't use you as the body that would have been. But I was sitting in the little house and the doctrine Siemian Ola and this one in particular I could only tell with my voice. Then again, if people now starting Nixon that scene, it's the Doghouse, you oil visiting this little how was your voice sounds completely different because it's it's it's not either by the doors and so you still need to tell the dog to ron to be an accessory. So that was a difficult while was actually one of the more challenging one, but he did quite well of the dead body messed up. Now all the people stream that you have shattered with the with. The insight into yesterday's live for film shooting is sort of get the sense that shooting a movie is not only pure fun. It is hard work as well not the other element as. Catering you know because you are more or less trapped on the set you conscious go out in to a cafe and have lunch. You have to be onset often somewhere in the desert or up on the mountain. So you. The food is being brought to you so-called catering. That's okay for you. Yes. The dog owner what about your dogs to are they look after today, get the special food delivered Dole cope with that. So the food situational, the traits we call the police for the dogs is. Hammered to send up to the owner. On, Film said nobody is allowed approach dogs or other dogs on teams are in a mode. So they really make sure how they really treat them a little bit of service stocks. You know the ones they. Walk with over the blind person for. So they are really really make sure that the dog is actually only doing what I'm telling you to do when it's ready for the scene. So usually when you have on said, everybody comes and wants to. Hug them and have a follow in. A selfie and it can be quite disturbing. The dogs yet it hot work ready I, actually because it is. I recite is like I get paid. That day. I WanNa be Stingy Person privacy. It's so he should be paid. As, well, as I am on film sets up, usually bring really thinks a are. Special high value to them reduce. Definitely. Be Stay on barbecue chicken. I have an air fryer normally put beef liberal chicken liberation and yeah have the riotinto doctorates Disney or the day and yet the catering sometimes we get along they often have like chicken than I take a few left overs. Beat that to the dogs later and yet quite more. To. While the after all movie stars and. Big. Stars on film said stay they do get special treatment after came after own dresser. The have their own makeup artist is that the same dogs to get their own camper van? Not Not for particular for what other level we are ever more when it's not like a like a Hollywood movie. So at the moment like what the most I we maybe it was one of my dogs is in the movie American, which isn't taking Hollywood blockbuster movie and there was a lady she was. So it was a CO production with America and they had an American lady thrown in and she was only had to look after the dots. So she had to make sure I had enough water they had enough rest in between lead enough. Yet they felt well that that went dressed spending all sweating or salivating or anything. So she arrest the holiday and just took notes on the dogs for actually renewal adopt up which they are they. Can you might be reminded us which seen that was your dog was in the movie woman account remember a dog. That's a funny story. I was on film central two weeks. Up to twelve hours a day. And it was one scene they felt in that time. was. Playing around. Out So the main actor Jason memorialized talking to Inva- hers in I. Think He's giving her a little book around the foul in this it's all playing with each other people and. Sit in a and Chevy. So my dog is walking with one of the Italian CI Nejd. Girls. In the only thing you can see. Him Behind the out you. Know Way is an I see that she's voting beliefs Forty days and I was like treated like A. I think at the end and going to actually but was the. Stall in Jason Momoa. We see every day we arrived in my dog's name is big. Everybody just screamed when they saw him and Mr. Bankers. Nobody that about Jason Momoa. On. And you can see. How did miss the big feel like when you watch the movie then to get on, you watch the movies together with your dogs and then meets the big whiting was big senior Conoley see the leash how did he or she? React to. Albany the anyway. So yeah. I actually have to say that. Say that. Is Reading the title movie five would usually watch the took me a couple months and we watched it and I just scrawled bag on like reminded in still for the dog. I I couldn't believe that I. Got High Forty days that many hours onto and. You. Know you make it sound easy. Again, a movie work, but it's not as we find out now was actually one of the easiest. Because, he only had to walk. For folding days who? It was then at the end I would say the repetition that got the little because it was just like repeatedly again and again and again, and this is maybe another one to add to what is it before that they have to be so good in in a in a sit stay or an a drop stay of the also need to have the urge to. Love what they're doing, and then repeated like sometimes they repeat the scene twenty three times and the Pistons with over and over and over again now, I wanted to still some hopes for some people. How did he get into into this business? How did it all happen? I started movies on first jobs were actually TV commercials this normally a one day or half a day. And they want one particular trick. This is how as Auden I. The trick we had to do on on this particular one was to have a hole in a top. In the dog had to learn to pull the head through, and that's all he had to do that see and then slowly. Up on their Bentley to meet Ski, you've got the website. Bent is dog training, Dot Com dot a u you're based in Queensland Australia. So who? Wants, braise movie staw you probably are the based dress to go to and we're looking forward to the movie romance on the Menu. It's a movie on Netflix and is it Mr Beacon that movie or WHO's in the? Big. and His name in the moebius fetch spinach or the look out for him and thank you very much again. Time for a new episode of the audiobook pirate. The Barking Kookaburra we are up to tap to thirteen if you have joined us today and have no idea what has happened so far in this story, then I recommend you better catch up you can go back to the top dog podcast episode number eighteen where we started with the audible with the first chapter. It's worthwhile because it is an interesting top dog episode. Anyway, we talk to Calvin McDonald's the manager of the company Brew Dog in Brisbane Prudhoe is offering its staff maternity leave for dog owners. So called Porter not leave. But now back to the audiobook, pirate the Barking Kookaburra. So. Far Pirates Lost Bird who suffers a Mesia is being looked after by a bunch of dogs Steles, e Ajax and hoover and the cat. Buddha as he grows up, he realizes that he's neither a dog nor a real bird because he can't fly, but he knows how to bark. During. A thunderstorm pirate has a deja Vu moment and remembers vaguely the journey that brought him to the dogs in the first place stelter is forced to Doghmane has decided to take him home. It's a journey full of challenges. Pirates set comfortably on stilts. His Nick he's claws firmly wrapped around her Kala stelter carefully waded through the high breckon down the steep slope to the bottom of the gorge. At the big pond she stopped for drink. The whole time pirate was staring back at the top of the gorge. What are you looking at? Said pirate quickly. But he was lying actually he was keeping a secret he shared with Buddha Ajax and hoover. Beck at the farmhouse they had promised him behind stilts his back to follow in secret. Somewhere, on the way, they would come out of hiding. We'll walk the race to the Y. with your might with Stilton likes it or not. After all we are family we have to stick together. One Stilts had satisfied her thirst. She slowly made her way up the cliff on the opposite side of the gorge. At the top and out of the cooling shade, she stopped again looking in awe at what lie in front of a this is the panic I, remember it. The tornado carried me all the Red Cross that big boulder over there since dogs do not have the best eyesight, stilts could only recognize a black dot in the far distance. The very end of the paddock seemed to melt together with the sky. She took a deep breath and continued on the grass was high and prickly its toll as tips towering over stealth says nick. Pirates. Spread his wings and felt the stroking of the grass tips on these feathers. They tickled. He imagined it was the wind stroking his wings while he was flying. Every now and then stilts stopped and looked back. pricking her ease what are you looking at? Who are just checking that everything's alright. Stilts a continued walking very slowly. As if trying not to break the long grass, she carefully put one poor in front of the other. After a few steps she stopped and looked back again, pricking areas. This time. She was sniffing the air to what he's sniffing at is someone furloughing US oh no nonsense now who body is following us. But pirate became excited all of a sudden. He let go of stilts as caller and hope to the very end of her back. It's him. It's Ajax I. Know He's He wants to come with US better not. I told him to stay back and guard the farmhouse turnover. He'd never worked. Then, Venice footer only heights long walks they promised. Oh. What did they promise? Nothing Any way then he could. Be Tiger how do you know? Tiger. I met her in the backyard she she follows me wherever I go. She wants to play with me. Stilts ordered pirate to hop off and sit down in front of. She started telling off like furious mothers do with their naughty children never ever play with tiger. She is a vicious snake she's dangerous. She only pretends to play with you. She actually chases you she hypnotizing you. She takes away your will until you can't move anymore. Not. Even your little claws. And then. She Bites you. She poisons you with a long teeth. And soon after you will die. Soon three hours. That's very soon. After he had promised to never play with a snake especially tiger, he climbed back onto stilts nick. She continued to walk under the hot sun through the vast paddock the boldest still far away. Had Tongue was hanging out nearly touching the ground. She was panting so loudly and heavily the pirate could not hear the flies buzzing around his eight anymore. When she again stopped walking and looked back to sniff the air pirates started to worry. Thanks good. Is Tiger following US nobody is following us. Only making sure that no other snake is nearby. Snakes like to be in the high grass it protects them from their enemies because the con- be seen. That's why walk slowly. That way I won't step on one by accident. After many more stops they. Reached the boulder. STELTER was exhausted. The hate is killing me. We need a wrist. On the side of the boldest Seltzer lay down in a shady spot. Squeezing her exhausted body against the cool. Rock. She told pirate to stay on her nick. But she had hardly finished his sentence before she fell asleep in an instant. Pirate closed his eyes and tried to sleep too but he was not tired enough. He decided to stretch his legs and explore the boulder he hoped to the other side, and so a mouse rushing into the high grass. Wait for me during drought array. Let's play. He rushed into the high grass to quickly lost sight of the mouse where. There was a russell coming from behind thick bundle pirate was convinced that the mouse was hiding. Let's play hide and seek I have to find you fix lowly and carefully like stilts deed in the paddock, he put one foot in front of the other. After a couple of steps, he was close enough and jumped behind the bundle. God you he did. But stopped short as he found himself standing right in front of Tiger. He's heart fill all the way down to his knees. I got you. Hide and seek is my favorite game I. Still to said the year and they pretend to to play. Pirates started staring into ahead black and bottomless is stuff to said that you vicious and dangerous I. Know She slid around pirate twice fast and without a sound. Now he was trapped this time you want escape from the. I suppose you know what is going to happen to? Cook. To said that you'd have poisonous teeth. Paid attention to mixture, you are good students. What else it's desert say that you poison will kill you. Within three hours Oh. But she didn't tell you that you will die. Painful. Please ME. I look. I can go into. Peace she histon Riverton Mouth Wide Open pirates stayed in awe at the two long pointy teeth. He was frightened and screamed or rather box as loud as he could. Froth. Tiger stopped short what the Snake. With St was puzzled ogling pirate as if she could not figure out who award he was. Pirate jumped at the chance and started running. Stagich through the thick grass. Eked and screen same time. Chase after. She snapped game again, wanting to bite him. Stop. You. Pirate Ramsey's life out of the high gross around the Boulder to the shady spot where Stealth Soleil. STELTER was already up on her legs hide behind me tell buyers and jumped forward into tigers path. Before she could bargain her tigers soccer teeth into airport. A sales fell into a beck yelping throwing legs around. Tiga. Held on for while wiggling and swirling long body as if she was a word on a fishing will. Eventually. Let go was catapulted through the air she plunged into the pedic where she disappeared in the high grass big here you. Still to lay flat on her side gasping for need. The deep wrinkles on authority showed that she was in tremendous pain. placed. You must. You must be brave now hurt. I I must keep still. I have to stay here. Go go back to the farmhouse. Go and get help. I not leaving you learn please turn tie who now Run. Pirate was running through the paddock along the track they had lift in the grass on they way to the boulder. He's eyes were filled with tease everything in front of him was blurred. A long journey lay ahead of him. He needed to run faster. Still too will die within three hours. How long will it take him to get to the Farmhouse Willie make it in time. Fast. He told himself fast every minute counted. Please please let me fly. He prayed pushing his body off the ground while he was running. And as he spread his wings, he lifted off as if an invisible hand picked him up. 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Your Family History & Legacy Laurie Hermance-Moore
"You're listening to the retirement. Wisdom podcast focusing on the changing nature of retirement today and the nonfinancial aspects of a successful retirement transition. Join host joe. Casey learn from leading experts in the field and the stories of people who created interesting second acts as they share practical ideas and tips to create your own check out our website at retirement wisdom dot com where you can download our newsletter and other resources to learn more about how coaching can help you the best way to support this. Podcast head over to apple podcasts and post a rating comment. It's easy and it's free. Join our conversation to get wiser about your retirement. Welcome to the retirement. Wisdom podcast. I'm your host joe casey. That'd be joined shortly by co-hosts dennis westman most of our conversation on this. Podcast is about the future specifically your future. But today we're gonna turn our attention to pass not just your pass but your family history watch ads on tv this topic. It may make you curious. So our guest today is largely hermens. More in accredited genealogist. Laura history geek turned librarian digital strategist and professional genealogists. Her passion is helping individuals connect with the people matter to them as a researcher. She loves finding those illusive records to solve a mystery. Increased experiences for clients at bringing answer life in the context of history. Laurie has more than twenty years experience. Working in digital marketing agencies serving other professionals at large companies in. You should know that. Laurie is an adopted. That found her amazing birth him in outfielder. She's been adopted a second time because it took her fifty years actually know her family. Is she figures that's why she's been blessed with especially interesting. Ancestors or on the leading edge of westward migration oil to be in history from the university of kansas a masters in library science from the university of alabama masters in marketing from franklin university and also the certificate in genealogical research from. Bu you can see her full bio in the show nets for this episode. But you should know. She joins us today from columbus ohio where she lives with her husband dan. And by the last countess. These two cats war. Thanks so much for joining us here today. Thanks joe and thanks dennis. I really appreciate that and looking forward to our conversation so my first question is what does a genealogist to a lot of things. There are many ways that genealogist works but the common thread is that they all reconstruct families by proving connections between generations though some typical roles of genealogist include going back in time to discover ancestors along your paternal and maternal lines. And that's probably the most familiar way of thinking about what a genealogist does. And it's how we get branded as hanging out in cemeteries and chasing dead people or you hear that a lot but you know. Sometimes we're looking for people who are alive. I work as a forensic genealogist as well. And i serve law firms that need to reconstruct families for probate cases determining who should inherit. I have colleagues who work on military repatriation if you didn't know the. Us military is still actively working to reunite unknown soldier remains with families so they can have a proper burial with honors. And they do that. With dna and with building trees they find the next of kin and they asked him to do. Dna tests to the family can be confirmed and then. Dna is also used by genealogists along with traditional research to solve criminal cases and to find unknown parents or children who were were adopted. So lots of things genealogists. Do laurie cut into this. What made you interested in this type. Well this is this kind of an interesting twist. I i have a history major. And i worked as a librarian and then i worked as a market researcher and so really being. Genealogist is my third career. And i got interested when my husband and i bought a victorian house and i started getting very curious about the people who lived in the house and i started investigating a know when we had the chain of title so i went back to see who had lived in the house and i started learning about them and i learned that we had had a wedding and our front parlor in nineteen twelve. On the day that a young woman graduated from ohio state university. We found the signature of the original owner written in charcoal under our basement stairs. But in some really cool things like that kind of got me hooked but then the challenge for me was and for my husband. We're both adopted so we both set out to find their birth families which we did. And that's been really interesting and very rewarding so i got interested in investigating my own family and at that point and that was about seven years ago. And i've been a researcher my whole career. But i got so hooked on the how challenging genealogies and the idea of uncovering old records things that your ancestors might have touched. I once found a deed or a court case that my ancestors all the brothers and sisters in the family had signed in in the eighteen forties and it just gives you chills to find things like that and feel that direct connection with your family. Well thanks for sure that that's great. Great story thank you. I'm gonna adoptive parents. I can relate to values this space right. And i i tell my clients. When we're doing unknown parentage. The thing is when you set out to find your family and if you're on nearly sixty years old so i was adopted in the nineteen sixties and that was the era of closed adoptions. People were told women were told they would never find out. And that's really not true anymore because we probably can find out through dna and plus states opening up their adoption records but sometimes they want a relationship with you after all these years. Sometimes they don't and really an adopted. You have to be prepared for coming out either way but what i tell. People is even if your immediate family you know for whatever. Reason doesn't want a relationship that doesn't mean that we can't investigate your longer ago ancestors and learn your story and that's brought a lot of people comfort understanding family history being important part of someone's legacy sure so a lot of people think of legacy and think of something value so money or property but something of value can also be your traditions in your knowledge in your experiences in your values and we tend to do a good job with money and property but not as much with all of the rest and i think this is probably been a theme of win. You're retiring you know you're thinking about. What am i gonna do with my money. But i know from listening to your podcasts. That a lot of your guests talk about. But you don't always figure out what to do with your time and that's also true with what do you do with all the other things that you're gonna leave behind your could leave behind. So i like to define legacy as the thoughtful and intentional process of deciding on the gifts to share with future generations. Some of the challenges that we face is. What do we pass onto the kids. And when you just talked about the definition you gave without. I think that was kind of hit home. What it is that we really should be trying to do. And i find that with audifax in particular i have. I have four. Parents seem between me my wife. There will gone and our biggest questions. We have all their stuff and kids. Don't want any of it right or won't turn it into a cloud conversation. That's another thing but we asked ourselves. What is the most important thing we want them to know about these people. Because i don't have the same perspective from my parents and grandparents. I just don't get as much because they tell us a lot. So dot literally dials as time goes on perspectives on. It's an interesting fact that as the society has become more minimalist and that's really seems to be a goal of a lot of people that people my age people in their sixties and seventies are kind of running up against this right now where their parents are passing on and nobody wants their stuff. However there's value in some of those things. I wouldn't say value in everything but i think the important thing here is to figure out which are the things that really speak to your family's history and if nothing else try to document what that is maybe it's you know your grandmother's sugarbowl. Well if no one wants the sugar bowl is so be it. But take a picture of it and talk about it and get the story behind it. Also true for family photographs. It just heartbreaking when he stanley photographs all get thrown out. Because nobody knows who the people are. And i think that's one reason things get thrown out is because the story around that object doesn't exist so people don't understand why it special or why they'd wanna keep it and that's honestly the best advice i can give. Anyone is to try to capture the stories while everyone is still alive. You know before you start going way back in time in in investigating your ancestors. Make sure you're documenting the people on the objects that are here right now. I'm an aspiring minimalist. Long laurie. Someone undertakes creating a family. History of frederick like this. What's possible that they can learn about their ancestors right well. Lots of people can't name. Anybody passed their grandparents. So the important thing here is to try to see yourself as the messenger have that responsibility to pass on important knowledge to the next generation and so there are so many things you can find out about your ancestors. It's a lot more than you. Probably realize so. Genealogist will use old records that begin to piece together. Our ancestors live so for example. I can usually find property that they owned. Show it to you on a map. Maybe show you an old map of landowners from the eighteen fifties and there they are on the map and you can find maybe all the families. The kids married into living right around them. I can probably find that property on google and show you street of it or i can tell you exactly where it is and you could go visit it. I can find all census records so we all just did the census in twenty twenty. Well for genealogist. We think of the census we're thinking of the nineteen forty and earlier census when all the names are revealed so i can look at eighteen fifty and find a family and the names of other kids and their ages and i can find that for nineteen fifty up through nineteen forty and pretty soon here next year. The releasing nineteen fifty. So that's amazing because it places a whole family at a certain place in time and on that page you can see as the numerator walked around that neighborhood you can see who all their neighbors are. You find out. They live next door to their in laws. For example you can find a lot of cases. They're old street addresses in some cities where the housing older. You can find those houses so mean. There's some cool things like that. I can find how they likely migrated through the us so if you had ancestors moving across the country in the eighteen hundreds there are very certain paths that they tended to take their county histories that will tell you how each county was formed. Each township was formed. Who the early settlers were. Maybe where they came from really interesting information if you had a civil war ancestor and pretty much. Anyone who had ancestors in the us in eighteen sixty has somebody we can perhaps find their military history and maybe even a pension file that details their service and their life after my favorite story about that is my third great grandfather who was a farmer here in ohio and sent five sons to the civil war one of the sons pension files and it was lengthy because he was you know trying to justify the government pension for years and this was a big deal in the late eighteen hundreds will this pension file. I knew this particular ancestor named adam. Who's my second great grandfather. That he had been he'd been taken ill at the battle pittsburg and it's now called shiloh and it's in western tennessee near the mississippi river. When i didn't know until i read the pension file was there was an affidavit in there from his brother. Joe's of an in the affidavit. It says our father. Who is this manning. John our father got word at adam was ill. He sent me over to tennessee to try to help adam so magin. So here's this farmer. In ohio sending assan over to help his ill son and what happened was when joseph got their e talk the officers into putting them on a hospital boat which was a steamboat. Going up the mississippi river. Up to st louis where they took him to a hospital. So i expect. You're kind of as that. I could find a story like that. But that's what you can find in some of these military pension files so some of the info is out there and it can be incredible and it can really shed light on your family. So what's the flipside side meeting. Someone's creating a family history like that. What are the biggest obstacles that you have to well. Cheney is very detail oriented activity. And there's a multiplier effect too so you have four grandparents e of eight great grandparents sixteen great great grandparents. So there's a lot of people to follow. And i recommend this if you do it yourself or if you seek professional to do it for you start with the people who you tell you every family. I've ever investigated. There are people who stand out so one example is i had a client who wanted me to research her family and i get back to this gentleman named james and he is in ohio. He is in the eighteen seventies. This man is a farmer. He's in his fifties he decides he wants to become a lawyer so he studies law and he becomes a lawyer for the rest of his has life. So twenty thirty years periods amid he's a midlife career changer in the eighteen seventies and decides to become an attorney. How cool is that interesting even back then. People change careers. That's exactly yeah. He started out by being a justice of the peace who were essentially they were people who did simple civil service so they would for example. They married a lot of people or they. Would you know maybe take payments for something or they would whatever you know they were the local official who could handle some of those things. Because if you imagine you have these big rural counties there's one county seat it might have been miles from you if you were kinda far away from it. And but the justice of the peace was in every township so they were your local person who can help you with a legal matter is something that people can do on their own and authorities really requires. Help confessionals like yourself. Yes and no so yes. People can do it on their own. I would say everyone should start on their own because the place to start is in your own family you need to interview. You're older relatives. And you wanna take notes or make recordings. Those older relatives are linked to the past. You wanna have tell you stories about what they remember about their family about going to school how they chose their first job things that stood out to them relatives that they knew my ninety two year old. Dad talks about when electricity came to their farm in northern rural missouri. In the nineteen thirties and he remembers his dad's standing there watching the electric meter spin and worrying about the cost. So as good as any genealogist be. We can't capture every story because every story is is recorded in official records. That's why you need to capture the stories from your your family. So that's how to start and then make sure to document yourself document your own history and your own stories may for example. I helped a client built out information on her mother's lines. She had a ninety two year old mother. Who's writing her memoir. I mean that's wonderful that this woman is doing this and in any case. That's how you should start but after that going back in time it's going to depend on. Do you wanna do it yourself or do you want to help. Help from a professional professionals can coach you. If you want to do it yourself. Professionals teach the classes genealogy or professionals can do the work themselves of extending your lines back in time and perhaps they could reveal the people behind all that memorabilia that you may possess one or two your favorite stories about how this work is help people. I had a former colleague come to me a few months ago and this gentleman is is my age. But he'd lost both of his parents fairly recently at an early age in their seventies to cancer. And it's only him and his sister left and the sister has two children so this gentleman asked me. His mother had started doing genealogy before she passed and he asked me to take over her tree that she had started and he had me research back to their great great grandparents. Because they just didn't know anything about these people didn't know who they were. So i did a project where essentially created small vignettes stories about each of the couples going back to great grandparents and we found interesting. Civil war ancestor. This gentleman lived in kentucky but he fought for the north and had been in the civil war for three years. So somebody interesting always pops up in these things but what this client did was present this to his sister on her birthday and she had my report did a big family tree and what it did was really connect them to their family after they had lost their parents so it was emotionally -portant closure for them and that was the project that i really enjoyed doing and another client recently lost her elderly dad and mom and i helped her build a history of her family and then i designed a tour for her where she could see the sites where they live the land they owned. I went with her and it was here. Hieaux in we visited a rural church cemetery and in that one cemetery held her great great great great great great grandparents from the early eighteen hundred. So i was able to find their stories and then we were able to actually go visit these folks in the cemetery and see the small country church where they lived. So there's so much meaning in being able to visit the places and tie it to the people and to know who's behind the names. What percentage of people actually reunite with their families use this to help reunite with long lost relatives and actually get back together with them. A couple of ways. That happens one way is people use dna for a lot of it. So it's kinda hard to miss the advertisements on tv for dna and what that can do for you is if you are someone who knows who your family is. People use it to identify farther out cousins so say if you are second cousins first cousins was someone you share grandparents right if you are second cousins with someone you share great great grandparents and you may not know your second cousins but people connect through dna that way so they'll they do this on ancestry usually but they get out there. They have their info out there. They start contacting these people. They meet these people they share. This is kind of always genealogists. Somewhere in the fan in each branch families is who it usually works out. There'll be somebody he'll be doing this and you connect with us people in you share the information that you have so. That's one way that people come together the other really meaningful way is people who were adopted or may not know who for example their father is. Dna can be used to look at the matches that you do have build their trees figure out where you fit and with some degree of success usually success. You can identify who your parents are. That's very helpful. My other question. I have is talk about a lot of people who are have ancestors in the united states but a lot of us came over or our parents came over. Our grandparents came over on in the early nineteen hundred. How difficult is it to go back to europe We're a lot of our ancestors are or other parts of the world. Well one of the phrases. That professional genealogist joke about is the phrase it depends we use it a lot so you know this is a case where it depends so the way that you approach those types of projects. You always start with yourself and you go back in time and you build those connections to the generations going back in time so. You're sure that you're chasing right lines that you're on the right line. You're chasing the right people. What you do is when you have immigrant ancestors you look for all the records that you can find the united states so there are passenger lists. There are naturalization papers. There may be church records. Any of those that could give you a clue as to their town of origin. Critically important sets always. The first step is to do the research on the us side. Get everything you can identify the place of origin. Then you can go back to those records in europe or elsewhere now your odds of success depend a lot on where your ancestors are from so there are some countries that have amazing beautiful record. Some sweden's a good example england's a good example german gets much harder if you have eastern european ancestors because the records got destroyed or weren't kept so it honestly depends on this one thing about genealogies. It's always very hyper local. So whether you're in the us or you're somewhere else it's so totally depends on the record keeping at the local level and how good it was in if there was record loss like a courthouse fire for example the mic. Thank you so laurie. Before we conclude is a circle back. It's okay to two things that you mentioned the very beginning i one is what's forensic genealogy in. When might someone need that. Share for genealogies specialty within genealogy and the word forensic in this sense means for illegal purpose so it would include worked done for probate cases to identify potential heirs. So for example. If you die intestate meaning that you didn't leave a will. There's a specific half of inheritance that's followed in. For example in my state your spouse comes first and your children and parents and siblings grandparents your aunts and uncles. Where i'm frequently brought in is when someone dies with. None of those people still living so we're out there looking for first cousins and their children who are first cousins once removed and their children who were first cousins twice removed so those people are hard for anyone to locate. Unless you're a professional so that's the kind of work that is forensic and sometimes i've hired by individuals who want to document that and get it all down on paper as part of solidifying their own estate. Of course the intestate laws don't happen. If you write a will another good reason to write a will it can also be used in real estate cases or mineral rights cases so for example in the nineteen thirties. People needed money so they sold their mineral rights to their land so they were sold separately from the land and so those rights. Come down through people's wills if they had one and also through intestate succession so companies. Now that wanna drill or dig for those minerals must identify those owners or perhaps you own a piece of property in your family. That doesn't have clear title at genealogists can straight now that chain of ownership and provide a report to the court so that can be necessary if you want to sell piece of property and you don't have clear title so those are all examples of how someone might need a forensic genealogist but it also. We can help you locate a missing person so much of what we do involves finding living people. So let's say it's as simple as you have a friend from high school and you want to find them and maybe it was a woman. She changed her name. We can likely find them and fringe. Genealogist can also be a dna specialist so can find your family your dna and second thing is you mentioned before retirement might be a good time for project like this explain. Why be well. It takes time. This is detail oriented work. You have a lot of relatives you know. You have a lot of lines a lot of ancestors to go back. It's intellectually challenging. And i think that as you're trying to identify the things that you want to spend your time on that will keep you motivated and keep you interested in. Keep you intellectually sharp. Cheney analogy is an excellent choice. it's something we're even. the best. genealogists are continually learning. Because there are so many records you can look at. It's different in every jurisdiction so you continually have to know well if i'm researching in pennsylvania. It's different than researching in ohio or researching an england so there's always more to learn so it doesn't get boring it's just intellectually stimulating and it's ideal for people who are lifelong learners particularly if they're interested in history and another good thing as it can be done even as you become more physically limited. It's the kind of thing where it will. You can do it well into your eighties or nineties. One of the most interesting and rewarding things that you can do is genealogy travel so whether it's to place in the us or whether you want to go to. Europe is standing on the land of your ancestors can really impact you. one time. I was in kansas city with a co worker and her family had traveled the oregon trail. And i said okay. Well we need to go out to minor park. And she said why i said well. Did you know that. The ruts of the oregon trail still exist in the kansas city area. Because that's where people started from. You know they went west and they went to independence missouri to kansas city area. But in this one city park in kansas city the wagons cross creek and they went pulling up a hill and the swailes where they ripped up this the dirt. Her they're still there. You can stand there literally. Wear your ancestors went over in a covered wagon and this is from. The oregon trail was at its height in the eighteen forties to eighteen sixties. And you can still see those visible markings. And that's why you travel for genealogy it's why you go look at the old records and hold a record that your ancestors signed because it connects you emotionally physically not only a personal connection but there's a lot of history you can learn from this just about places that we lived and how it evolved so absolutely and and to be a good genealogist. You have to study the history of an area you have to understand that the context of the time that our ancestors lived they may decisions for reasons that may be different than what we would choose and they were impacted by weather. They were impacted by the railroad coming to town. They were impacted by a number of things that in order to really understand why they did what they did. You have to know the history of the area so it's a great hobby to be able to go and see the history learn about the history and be able to figure out really what happened i have. There's a spot in ohio. We have a lot of old canals. An ohio people have heard about the erie canal and new york state but about the same time hundreds of miles of canals were being built here and i have a great grandmother whose family the canal went through. Their land literally went through their land. And can you imagine in the late. Eighteen twenty s when the canal opened standing there and watching a canal. Boko by with the governor on it on across your farm. I i just think that's so cool to learn that that happened to be able to tie it to well. This really is their piece of land. It really did through here fascinating things absolutely appreciate you sharing your personal story here to absolutely laurie. Thanks so much for joining us. I know we're all a lot smarter about genealogy historic languages next time this year all while that with us thank you. I appreciate the chance to kind of educate people on what's possible. I think that you'd be surprised what you can still learn whilst thanks again. Thanks to our guest today. Laurie amounts more our first genealogist. Great interesting information about the subject and hopefully our guest. We'll be very interested in this. Joe what was your takeaway from today. While the first thing is how interesting genealogy is because it's not just one thing she talked about legal aspects. She talked about science dna etc but. I think it's foundation. It's really about stories. And i think she talked about how intellectually stimulating this. Because if you bring curiosity to your family history you never know what you might discover so for me to take away. His voice mason interesting stories there for some people that may be in covering how about you. Yeah i like the point of also about intellectually stimulating. Talk at the end of the questions. At the end you had was news. This could easily be very good retirement project because it is very intellectually stimulating and difficult and he came across to me was. You can learn a lot about a couple of things. You can learn a lot about yourself but you can learn a lot about the history of the places that you live which is a byproduct here which i thought was also very interesting. I thought the whole aspect process Through in the way she explained it was helpful. She made recommendations on where you can start to do this on your own interview your relatives today if they're still alive it's probably something to think about doing. I also think for our own children. They may not have the opportunity to do these things and to record your life story or perhaps your parents life story. Their grandparents who has ever alive the aunts and uncles. It's a pretty cool thing. I think she said a couple of times. Used the word cool to keep that legacy. I mean all the artifacts we have. We talked about that very briefly. All the things you have stored in your article your basement somewhere. They get tossed away on. Maybe this is the one thing that gets kept and passed down from generation to generation so an enjoyable topic. Thank you for listening to the retire. Wisdom podcast our mission is to help people found to retirement. Planning by focusing on the nonfinancial aspects of retirement. And when you think of it retiring might seem to some people like an end but it's really the beginning to begin next chapters but one big question is. Where do i start and our coaching process with a certified design. Your life coach helps you build a new life on your terms we to build a road map to your future. One that's driven by what matters most to you now so start here with retired wisdom signing your life one on one coaching. We have a new group program. Starting on september twenty third in. You'll see that on our website. Thanks you're listening and we'll be back soon. Thank you for joining us today. On the retirement. 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PODCAST 111: The Union Army of the Potomac Before Gettysburg
"Welcome to the tales of american history. The witnessing history education foundation podcast educating americans to understand the history of their country and of other countries so that they will appreciate the value of america's unique free institutions. It's good to be back. After the shutdown due to the pandemic i think mr neil kesterson and dynamics studios for making their studios available to us all this time. We're happy to be back. I'm your host genevieve brown and we will be speaking with the foundation. President can't masterson brown author of a forthcoming book media at gettysburg. A study in command. The new book is a companion volume to can't spoke retreat from gettysburg lee logistics and the pennsylvania campeign published in two thousand and five. But i let us remind you to an american hero who participates in our mission by joining us at witnessing history dot org the website of the witnessing history education foundation click on the make a gift button to make a tax deductible donation to the foundation. Read our monthly newsletter on our website to keep up to date on our latest film projects view for free the foundations documentary films both on the website and on the foundations youtube platform view. Also the foundations free teacher education materials that conform to grade level education standards at pbs. Learning dot org. Now let's take a journey back through time with kent masterson brown as we discuss the first twenty one months of the existence of the army of the potomac leading up to the battle of gettysburg. Welcome kent thank you. It's great to be here. It is good to great well. So let's talk about the union army before the battle of gettysburg. Let's talk about what it looked like. And what it did it's the army of the potomac is what we're talking about and The army of the potomac was the union army. That was assembled a beginning in august eighteen. Sixty one and A union army had just suffered a defeat at the hands of confederate troops. At what is called the first battle of bull run on july twenty one. Eighteen sixty one and that battle is not only a defeat but it was a humiliating defeat When you think about it As the two armies were about to engage the The union army then was called the army of northeastern virginia and it was commanded. By major general urban mcdowell and as they moved toward bull run They were. They confronted a confederate force that was commanded by general joseph e johnston and An army an army called the army of the potomac that was commanded by general p g t beauregard and To make it simple the battle did not go well for the union army from the start ultimately they were not only defeated in the field but there they were routed and the route turned into a panic and all along the hills on either side of this engagement worse spectators from washington with picnic. Baskets going out to watch this thing and of course in the middle of this humiliating defeat. Not only did the army go into panic and retreat back toward washington but all the spectators did to of here you are. i mean. Nearly three thousand union casualties are on the field The army has been routed and humiliated and his running back toward washington. And this is abraham lincoln's baptism of fire. This is the first thing that happens to one of his armies in the american civil war. Well after that humiliating defeat. To abraham lincoln let general mcdowell go reassigned him and named major general george brinton mcclellan as commander of what was left of that army and mcclellan brought. What was left of that army and other regiments coming into washington into an army that he called the army of the potomac. Okay and On november first eighteen sixty one mcclellan was named not only not only. Was he commander that army but he was actually named commander in chief of all united states. Army's after the retirement of general winfield scott so here you have the army of the potomac To give you an idea of the size of the army of the potomac get. Roughly at this stage of his life was probably about sixty thousand troops divided up into various army corps. it had supporting it and pulling it upwards to fifty to sixty thousand horses and mules and It was an enormous force but its purpose was to protect the capital and to hopefully defeat the confederate enemy in virginia And so if you're looking at any of the great battles in virginia during the civil war Particularly the war from eighteen sixty one until eighteen. Sixty four You're looking at the army of the potomac most exclusively not quite but almost and in eighteen sixty four. Now you get other armies active in virginia but the army the potomac continues all the way to appa matic's so this army put together in the fall of eighteen sixty one and it goes all the way until apple mathematics in eighteen. Sixty five okay. That's a that's a great overview would like to talk a little bit about your forthcoming book. We're so excited about this Your new book is called mead at gettysburg. A study in command. And it's coming out in early june of twenty twenty one so it's publication. Imprint is imminent now Let's talk about the focus of your book. What happened with the army of the potomac from the beginning of the war until meade took command and at and right before the battle of gettysburg. The book of course is about general. Meade george gordon meade and It is a a book that addresses meads generalship How he commanded the army. He became commander the army and how he commanded it both at the battle of gettysburg and during his pursuit of lee's army after the battle of gettysburg But to look at with. George made becomes commander which is on june twenty eight eighteen. Sixty three This poor army from the time of its creation in the fall of eighteen sixty one until george. Meade becomes commander on june twenty eight. Eighteen sixty three had not won one battle in virginia against his enemy. Sell for the first twenty one months of its existence. It's going from battle to battle and never winning novick. This enormous well supplied well. Equipped army backed by the united states. That's right okay. that's right. It was defeated In every single engagement Or it was simply confounded If not defeated another is unable to do what it had set out to do. And 'cause to withdraw who was who was their enemy in the early battles before gettysburg and was generally the commander of that army or or. Tell us a little bit about the other side. Okay well after the first battle of bull. Run General as i stated general mcclellan was named commander of the army of the potomac and he became commanders as said in the fall of sixty one and it was not until april of eighteen. Sixty two that. Mcclellan did anything with this army to try to move it against its enemy. Was he training training. Training training organize. It gives a great organizer question about that. The question is can this guy actually lead this army in in a tactical setting against an enemy. Well what happened. was that george. Mcclellan planned an operation. That would take that army not by land but by sea from washington all the way down to four monroe at the bottom of the virginia peninsula between the york and the james rivers he would get up to fort monroe disembark this army and all of its horses and mules and artillery p. All that and then drive from fort. Monroe north i to your town where the first heavy defenses would be found because the confederate army was watching this And as they saw the ships moving down toward the toward the peninsula they began to erect fortifications to defend the capital And the purpose of it was for mclellan's army to drive north through all those defenses and get to richmond which was the capital of the confederacy. Can't try to seize who is commanding the confederate army when they built all the fortifications at yorktown general. Joseph e johnston this aim commander who was commanding confederate forces at the first battle of bull. Run He was now in command of the confederate armies on the peninsula and he erected fortifications that yorktown outside a williamsburg. Lot of us. Lot of the folks listening to this have been to those sites. And then all the way back toward richmond which were which was heavily fortified and so the advance got down there on the second of april and he began. Mcclellan began the movement of his army up the peninsula on april four. He easily broke through the defenses at yorktown and he got all the way up to about fifteen to twenty miles south of richmond. Where joseph e. Johnston confronted him in a pitched engagement. That has been known since as the battle of fair oaks or seven pines and in that battle joseph e johnston on the thirty first of may eighteen. Sixty two was badly wounded and taken from the field. After that fighting though mclellan's army was stalled it it it could not drive any farther Its supply base was on the york river At a place called white house and It was simply stalled on the other side. President jefferson davis president of the confederacy named general robert e lee to take over command and lee took over command of that army on june first eighteen. Sixty two up to this point in time. He had been an advisor to the president. Okay so now. Mcclellan is gonna face robert ely and what robert e lee does i is. He calls for an army to join him in the shenandoah valley. This army is commanded by a fellow named thomas. Jonathan jackson who had gotten the nickname stonewall in the battle first battle of bull run stonewall jackson believe it or not in the spring of eighteen. Sixty two had nominally defeated one army in the shenandoah valley but four four different union armies were defeated by this man and his and his troops. It's spectacular by this moment in eighteen. Sixty two by the time. Lee calls him to join the lease army And so stonewall. Jackson begins the movement of his army toward the peninsula from the shenandoah valley. Lee however has his plans pretty well made out. This guy has an aggressive general. He plans to begin. A series of attacks lee is a very offensive minded commander. He notes that george. Mcclellan appears to be his base of supply from white house on the york river to harrison's landing on the james river moving across the peninsula And as he's trying to move all his supplies across that peninsula lee scribes as lee strikes him. The first time stonewall jackson's army is near okay. it gets there From june twenty fifth until july one approximately seven days Lee strikes him at what places called beaver dam creek. Ganesha's mill savage's station glendale and finally malvern hill and mcclellan is literally forced with his back against the james river at lee makes his last strike at him at malvern hill on the first of july eighteen sixty two. The attack is defeated. Is it fails. But nevertheless mcclellan has suffered so much That his own war department demands that he brings his army back to washington which he does he evacuated the peninsula. So here they've suffered the defeated. I met at first bull run And now the grand invasion of the of the peninsula. Hope hopefully to take richmond has been stopped and mcclellan has been to has been forced to withdraw army off the peninsula and take it back to washington so by mid july. The poor army of the potomac is now on transport trying to get back to washington. This incredible that's really an unbelievable tales. It's incredible and of course it goes on from there What happens after they get back to washington. They reassembled regroup. Okay and in the meantime. Another union army has been put together This one commanded by a major general john. Pope who's been brought in from the western theater fighting in missouri and and The the trans mississippi and western tennessee pope puts an army together just outside of washington and mission that He has told the lincoln administration it would be would be to take army down alongside the tracks of the orange and alexandria railroad. It goes from alexandria. Virginia orange virginia orange courthouse. Then to culpepper Follows that that route into the heart of virginia and his purpose in Forming this and moving in that direction was that he was hoping to draw lee's army elements of lee's army away from the peninsula to helm. Mcclellan However mccullum was finally told come back to washington. Nevertheless john pope move toward the center of virginia. He soon learned that Robert e lee was now on the move north and our friend. Stonewall jackson had been sent west into central virginia and then north with the idea of falling on pope's right flank so here we go on august twenty nine eighteen sixty two these two armies collide lease jack and jackson's and popes And This at engagement erupts in the engagement erupts on the very same field in prince william county. Where the first battle of bull run was fought. This time without the spectators without spectator wants to watch this stuff. Our no no and and pope has tried them. Tried attacks against lee's army. All of them have failed And on the very next day. August thirty lee counter attacks and literally devastates. Pope's what he calls the army of virginia Just devastates it more than fourteen thousand killed wounded captured and missing in the army of the in pope's army alone so here here's lincoln. He's seen three campaigns now by september. One eight hundred sixty two three campaigns first manassas then the army of the potomac venture on the peninsula and now the second battle of manassas bull run and it for and what he. What does he have to show for it. He's had three armies virtually humiliated defeated and humiliated. His total casualties now in virginia alone are over thirty. Three thousand killed wounded captured and missing just own armies. That's an enormous amount of damage but politically over lincoln. He's probably asked himself. Why did i get myself in this. In the first ways. I would think. But i mean it shows you this. There's just no relief from the defeat right so And what happens after after the second battle of bull run. Lee begins to move north. This lee. I'm hope people can see this. Lee is not only a very superior military commander. He is aggressive military commander. This guy goes after. He's he's the guy you would love to have on your football team. He he is an aggressive. Fighter moves north in washington amidst all this chaos and confusion. The lincoln administration turns once again to george. Mcclellan mclellan is popular in the army. The troops like him even though his his tactical handling of the army is somewhat suspect the tropes like they think he's a great organizer. They like him little. Mac is he's called and he'd kinda parade with his hat and his hand in front of the troops and they all cheered and yelled payment. Yes it carries mma so Anyway he takes. What's left of pope's army and troops that have poured into washington And he re assembles the army of the potomac and he begins to move west out of washington toward li li crosses the potomac river Just near leesburg at white's ferry moves into maryland. Moves to frederick maryland and mcclellan is now pursuing him They get beyond frederick into the south mountain range and they're at places like turner pass fox's gap crampton's gap. These are gaps in the mountain through which roads run including the national road The first we've been through all of those gaps and anytime you're right right right. Yeah and the most prominent is turner passing. The national road runs through their. That's us forty eight. today Is the national road. And mcclellan on the fourteenth of september attacks. lee at each of those gaps Lee falls back from those gaps after some tremendous loss in in the in the army of the potomac and some serious losses to lee as well it was. It was pretty brutal That same day. Stonewall jackson had been detached from lee's army and sent to try to capture harpers ferry on the where the shenandoah and the potomac river merge That same day. September fourteen stonewall jackson captures harpers ferry captures thirteen thousand union tropes at harpers ferry. Now imagine the reports coming back to the war department and lincoln. He's lost thirty three thousand leading up to this. He's now lost some more and now he sees that thirteen thousand of his troops have surrendered to stonewall jackson. This is this is nothing but bad news. Well lee falls back to the west. Crosses a place a stream called and tetum creek and he basically sets up a line of defense just west of anti them creek and on september seventeen mcclellan brings the army of the potomac up antietam creek to confront louis and on the sept- september seventeen. He begins a series of attacks beginning against lee's left flank on the north ending with his right flank to the south and this september seventeen has to go down as the bloodiest single day in american history in that one day from early in the morning until sunset. More than twenty. Three thousand casualties will be the result of the fighting. It's a staggering for one day. And he tries. I lease left and fails to break it fighting in the cornfield around fame. Dunker church then. He tries the center and a sunken road and he breaks through only to be stopped by reinforcements coming in from harpers ferry. Then he tries along the south and attacks across an old stonebridge since known as burnside's bridge named for the at corps commander ninth corps down. There they get across the bridge. They forced lee's right flank back to the town of sharp's berg only to have another division out of stonewall jackson's wing commanded by ap hill arrive in time and block the union advance it stalls out. They fail to defeat lee's army and even though lee's army crosses the potomac before the union army does to pursue him and gives up the field. This is no victory for george. Mcclellan in fact his losses are so huge That instead of immediately launching a pursuit of of late. His army is so bloodied that he stays right. There and a lot of people have seen the famous photograph of lincoln visiting Mcclellan and you see. It has a tent and lincoln is standing up. And there's mcclellan looking at lincoln and all these generals and officers around famous famous picture. Well that's right. After the battle of antietam and that was fought on september seventeen and it was not until the twenty sixth of october that george. Mcclellan move that army back across the potomac to pursue so they were resting recuperating recovering covering recovering resort. It is recovering their dead trying to heal the wounded now. I believe that photograph. You just described. Didn't you put that in your cushing of gettysburg book alonzo cushing in that pig show. I'm thinking of another. George custer was was cushing's classmate him over on the right side of the picture in front of a tent yes. He's a little aid to george. Mclaughlin always gets his photograph taken. No custer was a pursuer of of of take a picture of me town okay. So so george. Mcclellan he he winds up. Moving the army back into virginia and at warrenton virginia He is removed as commander of the army of the potomac for the last time. He's probably so relieved named in his place. Is ambrose burnside. Who as i mentioned. Command of the ninth corps attacked across the antiguan bridge and burns and burnside follows lee to the rapahannock river. Leave falls back to fredericksburg. And he's planning of course it. Being there to protect richmond the capital of the confederacy which is just south of fredericksburg And burnside a develops a plan to attack louis at at fredericksburg. I though and he has to get his army across the rapa hack. So he build bridges across the rapahannock all the time under fire bills bridges. They bridges across the prepa hanoch river. These are punto. Bridge john tune. They're supported us exactly supported by pontoons and on the thirteenth of december. Burnside orders a frontal attack against lee's army situated along heights behind fredericksburg This means eastport. Apples are have to attack across ground going literally at just slightly less than a forty five degree. Angle to reach the confederate works and the confederates mostly behind stone. Walls gun emplacements. Everything else up there. Well i don't need to say too much about what would have happened in a situation like that. The union army of the potomac was mauled. I mean it was virtually up a demolished in many ways. The attacks were Brutal meant by horrific gunfire and in fact by the end of the day of december thirteenth Burnside could count thirteen thousand of his men as casualties. Some just that were just start to rackham rackham up members thirty three thousand after Second manassas second bull run. Then you have an tatum and now you have this. So we're now closing in on between fifty and sixty thousand casualties in the army of the potomac. Well burnside Obviously his his efforts were not received very well in washington however he had one more plan in mind and that is to try to go up the rapahannock river To a point Where he could cross at kelly's ford and then try to strike lee from behind He left in in on the In in january on the twentieth of january In a driving rainstorm and sleep storm and for two days ford rain and sleet and this poor army of the potomac became bogged down in mud and finally he called it off and it was for hence henceforth known as the mud march Burnside was relieved of command on the twenty. six january. Eighteen sixty three and in his place was named general. Joseph hooker hooker Had been up a division commander than a corps commander in the army of the potomac all the way through highly political man and One who as as one member of lincoln's cabinet said i do now doubt joe hookers bravery but i don't have much confidence in him. There were the last he becomes commander of the army of the potomac. And do you think this is a position that hooker pursued. I mean who wants to come in army of the potomac this or do you think that hooker saw something in this for himself. Well every every officer now up to this point in time like in every war would love to have his record that he was named army commander particularly the principal army in the field and they vie for that. They should normally under normal circumstances and he was no different he. He wanted to see his name in bright lights as well He was actually wounded in the field at antietam and the person who took over command of his core at antiga when he was wounded was george. Gordon made oh okay. So that's where mead kind of emerges he first emerges as as a potential yes precisely okay so he was made and hooker no one another very well. All right So okay so now hookers in charge of beleaguered army. This is a very this. The morale has to be low as it has. They just can't win now they they're. They're being humiliated right. And they're suffering. Durham now imagine to situation like this We're now talking. The end of january eighteen sixty three three one hookers named think what it's like in washington where lincoln is looking for. Volunteer regiments They have an institutional draft. Okay but but the real problem is who's going to volunteer for this army It's hard to make a case. It's sort of make a case for a soldier for a fellow to say. Yeah okay. i'll put a uniform on. I'll join that now not with this So what happens. As a result of this sort of defeat after defeat after defeat after defeat is in march lincoln and congress institute the draft. Okay they have to go after it drafts are never popular. But think of. i'm here. There were threats of riots in the big cities like new york philadelphia baltimore. They've already lost the equivalent of our losses in the vietnam war. Pass that yeah that yeah and the population smaller so the impacts bigger. Yeah huge Well so georgia. Joe hooker takes Takes over command and he's in command When the draft is instituted. He's having trouble replacing people. Of course as you get these casualties rack up. He's having trouble getting people into that army and the administration is and so he sets up a plan where he is going to move the army. Much like burnside tried Along the rapahannock river and try to get behind. Lee He lease at fredericksburg and so hooker manages to get across the rapahannock river at kelly's ford and get to a position behind lee's army at this now and at a place not too far from crossroads known as chancellors ville against behind him lee from his own scouts learns exactly what hookers lee. What he does his he he takes one. Division leaves it in place at fredericksburg. Same site where they defeated the union army in december leaves them right there marie with arrest of the army. He moves them literally. Does that about face and moves toward hooker and then on the second of may eighteen sixty three. He turns to stonewall jackson. And he's i want you and he has a fellow local man who can look at the map and tell lee and jackson. If you follow this road a around in this direction you'll be on the right flank of the enemy. The enemy won't see you because the woods are sedans but there is a small path all the way around there and he leads jackson's wing of the army on that path. Suddenly jackson appears In line ready to assault the rear elements of hooker's army And on may second launches an attack and the first units he he hitch is oliver howard's eleventh corps lot of german speaking tropes in this unit and behind them. Is this the third gouzer. The draftees drafty some volunteers. Now these are. Germans went into this war with great aggressiveness. It was their key to citizenship Of course so here. Here's this eleventh corps core after chance was ville the rest of the army of the potomac love to hate because they thought they ran in many ways they did. They got surprised by an overwhelming number of troops coming out and jackson literally rolled them up Even with an attempt on the part of one court across the rapahannock river and strike that confederate line left behind at fredericksburg. This corps commanded by john sedgwick. They broke through but lead detaches yet another division and has them strike the flank of sedgwick's corps. It's coming up trying to force into lease into the into in to overwhelmingly and strikes into his flank. Sedgwick has stalled without attack and the rest of the army. The potomac is running away from. What's now chancellor's ville Trying to get across the potomac river this battle. The battle chancers ville has to be one of the most stunning tactical victories the entire civil war. We've never seen anything quite like it and it's pure battlefield genius. That's doing this. I mean there's no question about who is superior intelligence that lee had by having that man on the ground of course the topography who who knew all the past and they got onto the flank in into the rear of the union army of the potomac and attacked them The upshot of chances ville is yet another humiliating defeat union casualties there exceeded sixteen thousand Hooker stays in command he Lee begins on june fifth and move north. The idea of getting back into maryland. Crossing the potomac getting back into maryland ultimately into pennsylvania to forage. The army can get food supplies. It can't get in virginia because his battle-scarred down there and to two hookers credit he follows. Well he's follows with great speed and he finally gets to Frederick maryland lee. By this time is in the cumberland valley of pencil of maryland and pennsylvania and on the twenty eight twenty eighth of june. The lincoln administration finally relieves hooker of command and gives it to george gordon. Meade so that's how that's how general meade ends up in command of the army of the potomac and it's just he didn't know this but it's just five days five days three days till the battle of gettysburg as until he's actually key elements of his army. You're in combat at gettysburg What's interesting is that every other commander of the army of the potomac had been approached by the war department Determine whether he would be willing to serve as commander everyone an interview so to interview. Would you be willing to take this Really only wants someone who's willing to do it right right. Not with george made why. No one wanted to become commander of the armed. Okay yeah nobody not by now. And the lincoln and his chief of staff general in chief they call it and then henry haluk became so set with hooker hooker constantly wanting more men constantly chiding them To the point of distraction really and there was a been a standing order given by the war department that two things must be protected at all costs by the army of the potomac. One was washington of course but the other was harpers ferry armory the armor. Well the armory but also it was the line of the baltimore and So there was always an occupational force harvest ferry and it may seem frivolous for them to have expected harpers ferry to be something to be never to be given up but i think they were stung by the fact that lay took thirteen thousand prisoners of war there in eighteen sixty two and they didn't want to see that gets minimum ball but but finally it was hawker got so because he couldn't get the garrison at harpers ferry into his army then he just finally told him well then. I asked to be relieved. This is on the twenty seventh of june and of course that night they took it under consideration and by got relieved him but They also said to want to know this lincoln. This is henry haluk secretary of war stanton. They said look it. There's no way we can approach anybody. George meat or anyone and say would you take over command because they all recognize it. I'll say no so sad. it is now. Yeah what they did. They told the the fellow who would take the orders. They wrote out orders for george made. We're gonna order you to become commander the fellow who was James hardie a young a colonel very well liked in the army who was the aide in in the war department to edwin stanton. He would be the one to take the orders to hooker telling him. He's relieved and to george. Meade telling him he's commander water to be commander And so But they told hardy they said meade is going to try to get out of it anyone. It's to their credit. They came to that conclusion. Really think about it they they. They said look he's gonna try to get out of it. Take no there's there's we will not accept no for an answer. He's an officer in the army. If we order him to take it. The president does he must take And don't let him try to talk you out of it Literally telling him So general colonel. Hardy gets on the baltimore and ohio railroad and goes out to To to frederick He has given a wad of cash and he finds a wagon. Who can take him over to where. Meade's headquarters are located made as commander of v corps in the army the potomac and he arrives at the head at Meade's headquarters and goes up to meade's Adjutant general and ask him. I wanna visit with general meade. I'm james hardie from the war department. So they let him in. He wakes me up. This is about. Oh three o'clock in the morning and this is what hardy says to him. He says general. I have some bad news for you. Wrote his wife day thereafter literally the next day and said i thought i was under arrest or i had been relieved. Duty exactly one of the other news they come to us comes to you in the middle of the night. He was not going to be good. Our from the war hawks. What possible good could be. Come of this. I so beat sits up on the side of his cot and says look at. I'm at peace with the world. I have done nothing to anybody. He actually thinks and hardy. Who who really likes me. He's he's he's in me really likes him to know one. Another and hardy of course knows hooker as well when he says no. No no no general. I'm not here to give you trouble Except in this. And that is you've been named commander of the army of the potomac. No no no that general reynolds should be the one to take this. Not the first corps thought of that interests and those two reynolds had kind of serve together the entire war up to this stage. Meticularly commanding elements of the pennsylvania reserves Because both of them are pennsylvania's and he says no no general reynolds. The army wants him. Don't and hardee's general. They all talked about this. They all they all said. You'd prefer reynolds to come in or somebody else or anybody else. But you know the orders per employee you've got to take it and made says well i've been tried and convicted and i guess i need to go to execution and that's how the army was given to george made. Now let me ask you something. Did hardy have to go see hooker. I to relieve him of command or was that after he talked with aid he went to meade's headquarters of the fifth corps. Okay then then Got his staff together and hardy and mead and and meet staff then went to hooker's headquarters where the first thing hardy did was go in and tell joseph hooker that he had been relieved of command then. Mead and hooker confronted one another shook hands. I mean they are old army friends. This is always tough thing to do and they confirm brennan uncomfortable converse fairy very uncomfortable. The whole thing was uncomfortable. And there's great stories of when hooker leaves. How all these officers around of the staffs meet as well as hookers. Come up to grade him and they. He walks along shaking the hands of each one of them One young Currier in sedgwick's corps rota wrote a letter home to his mother saying it was very emotional. Farewell and there were many people who seem sad and by the whole thing. But i'm happy to see him go which is pretty much the way the army felt like clerk personally liked liked him not trusted professional. He couldn't get the job done. And but but when you think about what happened with the battle of gettysburg and of course it's a victory the first victory the army of the potomac will have in the entire war. Just think of all the failures leading up to that one after another and the casualties and general meade inheriting this and he inherits this three days right now he couldn't have known then they're the conflict would occur. No but he knew leaves army was out there now. I wanted to ask you why. Why did hooker take the parallel course north. If he knew that lee was on the other side of the cumberland mountains what was hookers purpose in staying on. The east side. Was that because his job was to protect washington and he didn't have enough to leave back there or two answer. One your comment about him protecting washington. Yes that's number one With the army of the potomac they're standing orders Are you protect the city of washington and mead becomes. Commander they say your. Your duty is to protect washington and baltimore because if you're going up into central pennsylvania south eastern pennsylvania southeastern pennsylvania. You're within your within walking distance of baltimore almost and that's because of the railroad railroads as just the location baltimore's in maryland north of washington. It's closer to the Area of operations and so the standing orders to george mead where you protect baltimore in washington but hawker now coming north to try to confront louis. You're right. He was on the east side of the shenandoah valley of the blue ridge. Mountains most of lee's army were moving in the shenandoah north. And the reason corker follows. That road is not only to protect washington. But there's all the military theorists of the nineteenth century including dennis hart mahan who was the instructor in military science at west point. He was the teacher of hooker teacher of mead. He taught everybody in the army. He thought everybody in lee's army air from the eighteen thirties all the way until eighteen. Sixty three so. He was there when lee superintendent. He was complete with superintendent. He follows the teachings of carl. Von clausewitz antoine day. Showman many in that there are three ways to pursue an army A one is a direct pursuit. Go right up following them The other is to Attack see if you can attack that the army you want to pursue on its flanks The third is to follow a parallel course and that was hooker strategy hooker strategy and in fact that is the preferable strategy of pursuing an army. Don't go behind it cushion. You can't do anything to that. Army behind it On a parallel course you may cause it to move more rapidly than it wants to What an army has to move faster than it wants to. It can disintegrate Particularly if it's a retreat. This is an advance still. If they're moving too fast because of fear that they're going to be met somewhere well it could fray then army so you move on a parallel course even though you're risking as as happened losing sight of exactly where your enemy is. i mean. They're in the mountains there. You've got to get to a position where you could confront him And that's the deal and you've got it's a race And you make a rice. And so that's where the prologue of your book and story of meade's command at gettysburg begins and telling you it's a very compelling story what i one of the things i love about. This book is the beautiful illustrations. You've selected including the here to four unpublished photograph. Of general george gordon meade during the pennsylvania campaign that is the illustration for the frontispiece of that is a really incredible picture. But you've got lots of amazing photography in this book beautiful illustrations By contemporary artists who were eye witnesses to the action This is a richly illustrated book the presentation of it The way it's been presented by its university of north carolina press. It's beautiful donna. Shing lee beautiful It's it's i really can't wait to see it in print for those who are interested you can you can it. It comes out on the seventh of june and amazon. Already you can pre-order it on amazon you can also pre-order it through the university of north carolina press on its website but Amazon of course is the easiest one for everybody to get to. And it's again named need at gettysburg a study and command and it picks up where we left off lucky to seeing it. And we'll talk some more about this book and some forthcoming podcasts. As well certainly will. Well thank you for talking with us today. Ken and as i said it's good to be back with dynamic studios and mr neil kesterson are sound simon. Thank you so much you're welcome. We'll see you soon. Become an american hero. Who participates in our mission by joining us at witnessing history dot org download our documentaries and free teacher education materials that conform to grade level education standards at pbs morning dot org follow witnessing history on facebook twitter and linked in.
Confederate Statues are Coming Down
"This is my full now. Mark saab soon ladies and gentlemen my guess writing has appeared in new york magazine bolster slate rbm village voice. He works as a producer on the npr. Podcast white lies. He's from pa. He teaches writing in auburn university. And with the alabama prisoner arts and education project. His first book came out a year ago. It's released now in paperback and we do well to talk about it down along with that devils bones especially as we talk about. All of these confederate monuments and his book focuses on one probably with the most monuments and that would be the kkk grand. Wizard himself nathan bedford. Forrest the book again down along with that doubles bones connor town. O.'neil joins us from auburn. Hey man how are you. Welcome to make it plain. Hey mark it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to have you buddy and this is this is very interesting so kinda if you give me a little point of personal privilege. The interesting thing about your book is it focuses on some geographic areas. That are very close to me. My paternal great great great grandmother was born in selma in eighteen fifties that family ultimately migrated to memphis which is the home of my paternal family but nashville is the home of my maternal family and the city in which i was raised soon. See a book with selma memphis national as he got mercersburg here not too far from nashville. I have to begin to wonder what. How does this book. How does nathan bedford forced in a sec with Life as vessel scary. But i've talked to folks who knew one place and that's always intimidating because you know you're right about a place you you hope you justice but man someone who knows three of the places Yeah it is. i'm not. I'm not quite sure what to make with maker that but but helped me out. Man helped me figure out what to make. Your story would store you. The beginning in your book begins with selma. Does it does it. Does it starts with selma and starts with selma not not in the past. But but for the president or at least the recent past for me starts back in two thousand fifteen. I'm originally from pennsylvania. But i had moved to. I had moved to alabama. And when i moved alabama there were all these fiftieth anniversary of civil rights moving events taking place in and i had this feeling like it was sort of being invited to try to understand this new place that i was living through the lens of those anniversaries so i moved to tuscaloosa in the summer of two thousand thirteen. That's fifty years on the anniversary of the stand in the schoolhouse door. My first week classes at the university alabama. That's a fiftieth anniversary of the sixteenth street. Baptist church bombing that claimed the lives of four little girls birmingham and so it was really. I was following this these these anniversaries in connection to the present day were clear right. Twenty thirteen twenty four t in his early years of the movement for black lives. The supreme court had just gutted the voting rights act and voting restrictions. Were immediately coming back into place. So those contemporary echoes. A fifty years ago. Felt very clear and it was it. Was that brought me to selma this day. In two thousand fifteen. The fiftieth anniversary bloody sunday and president. Obama was their forty thousand. Other people show up to hear him speak and some of the small city if forty thousand extra people there. Parking's a nightmare. And so i think you know oh but some one of these cities that has this extensive cemetery you know muslim spanish moss the whole deal its own system of roads and so i think our stash car over there too quick. Walk down to the bridge. I can go. Listen to obama. And i can keep doing my thing. You know the sort of white liberal things studying the movement and feeling good about myself it but what happened. That day says like no. You don't understand the half of it and you're gonna have to go way deeper into history if you're going to try and make sense of what's happening and that's because when i pull into the cemetery i see the signs that say confederate memorial circle closed no-trespassing. Which is catnip you know. Okay what's going on here and bunch of people sort of roaming the section of the cemetery with confederate graves and. I know it sounds naive to say this now. Given everything that's happened since it was a little bit naive. Then even but i was just sort of like Confederates on a on a civil rights anniversary. So i wander over and just you know. Approach this woman. Say with what he'll do in here and it comes to learn. This group calls themselves the friends of forests in had spent the better part of the last two decades fighting about the statue of nathan bedford. Forrest that they have put up and you know like you say putting up a statue of the first grand wizard of the klan. That's gonna be. That's gonna raise an eyebrow anywhere doing it in alma given his connection to the movement all the more provocative and insulting but come to learn that statue. I went up the same week. That the city's first black mayor had been inaugurated in the years So it just compounded the insole and sparkle these protests and debates. The statues eventually moved. It was originally on city property. It's moved out to the cemetery but then it's stolen but it's theft only sparks debate and controversy about whether they replace it put up another statue. Forest bad eventually sparks a federal lawsuit which the friends of forest have just one when i meet them. So they're out there sort of parading. Victory getting ready to put up another statue of forest. And so the dissonance of that confederates on this major civil rights anniversary this moment of racial violence being commemorated. It just raised all of these questions. Who is nathan bedford floors. What does it mean to put up a statue of him. What does it mean to do it in the year. Two thousand fifteen and so that was really the starting point. Those are some of the questions in the book is trying to grapple with nathan bedford. Forrest talk a little bit about who he was repeatedly Maiden like of course we know he's the grand wizard but people may not fully understand his true in the civil war itself. Yeah so it was just it. Two hundred birthday celebrated by a bunch of neo confederates this summer. So he's born in eighteen twenty one and trump there. Do we know in there. Now that i think they they'd get along. Yeah but so he really sort of comes of age with the with the deep south as we know it right so early eighteen twenty s. This is the indian removal act the trail of tears that that land is been opened up for plantations in for the sort of this migration of enslaved people from the upper south down into the deeper south in the cotton kingdom down in alabama louisiana mississippi tennessee western tennessee and force built a fortune off of it. He's a slave trader. His slave mart as it was called in memphis was trafficking a thousand people through in every year he he made millions off by some counts became one of the richest men in the south by eighteen. Sixty and so the war comes. In the wars being fought over this question of whether the south could continue to enslave and make massive massive profits out from the slave trade. So he enlists he uses his fortune to acquit his own cavalry battalion and quickly distinguishes himself as his admirers. Call sort of military genius. He's the most promoted soldier north or south. The he begins a private finish as the war as lieutenant general but of course distinguishing yourself as military genius for the confederacy is sort of a questionable accolade. Right and and it's it in eighteen. Sixty four he and his men or accused of war crimes for for murdering almost two hundred. Black soldiers as they are surrendering at fort pillow in his his report from the battle of four pillow. He says let it be known. That black soldiers cannot cope with southerners. Of course he doesn't say the word black soldiers so you know again to implicated in these moments of racial violence after the war. of course he becomes the first grand wizard of the clan. He also operates a convict leasing plantation outside of memphis so really his whole life is really dictated by his taking part in in massively benefiting from a lot of instances this racial hierarchy and exploitation that he was very much part more m. 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I'm curious when you talk to the people. Once she got cemetery. What were they saying what. What was their affinity with nathan bedford for. He's their hero. He is for some for for some white southerners. He is this like full kiro because he's not like lee right. Like lee is the embodiment of the gentleman. The southern gentlemen right in went to west point one of the first families of virginia. The gentry you know forest is born pretty poor. He's in they would say he pulled himself up by his bootstraps coarser trafficking other people but didn't go to school you know. He has a couple of months of school to his name. He was literate. But not not really. He's very folksy. he has all these aphorisms so again. Talk about this connection with trump in the same way. Skeptical of expertise rash to the sort of blue collar hero. I think that's that's the appeal that gets talked about publicly right like on the plaques of these statues untutored genius. But i think the reasons that he's reviled by other people are also the reasons that he's admired. I mean i think these folks the friends of forests they also belong to white nationalist organizations like the league of south responsible for getting a lot of the violence in charlottesville. So even if it doesn't get talked publicly it's really clear that part of the attraction here is that he is this this white supremacist hero and they're willing to defend his his actions at fort pillow. They're willing to defend his actions as the first grand wizard of the clan so with some what they think are sort of historical caveats but they'll they'll defend it so so yeah i mean they admire him for the reasons that he's hated just as much as is quote unquote military genius. I wonder him in my experience with some southerners. They admire these people but they don't acknowledge the troops about them as more of an admiration of their revisionist history. This was someone who was fighting for southern ideals and the way of the south. What was the way of the south. They don't they won't say that they won't they won't talk about. I mean correct me. If i'm wrong maybe you have some people who are more vocal about this. But i but i really have. People say we admire confederacy nathan bedford. Because he had slaves and he kill people for pill. I don't hear people say least say to me say it out loud but i remember a few years ago. We had his whole national debate. At one time. I forgot weird. Starting wearing ended about whether or not civil war was about enslaving in the first place. It really wasn't that was gonna make it wasn't really about enslavement. It was about something else a lot of way of life and it was about the industrial age. Well yeah it was industrial age versus lame but when you were encountering these people in selma were they as you mentioned caveats but how upfront vocal. Where they were any of the other people you've experienced as to what these the crimes people really committed. Are they naive about that. No i don't think so again. It's in some ways it's sort of. It's a question audience right. Like they know they. They're talking to and when they think they're not talking to northerner talking to black people or you know the people in power the sort of proprietary thing. One of the things. That was really interesting is that there were some. I got my hands on some leaked emails from one of the friends of forests. And so she's writing her united daughters of the confederacy listserv for the friend of forest list-serve and she's referring to selma as what she calls. Zimbabwe on alabama alabama river. You know she talks about people who were so. The statue was stolen people searching for it referring to them as being smarter than your average monkey. She wants mentioned in the end. I think sort of you know who it would later and try and get it off the record but like saying you know there was a bounty for the reward for the statute Twenty thousand dollars. If you lied to the finding of this bust of nathan belcher force had been stolen and she said do you know how much crack cocaine by someone. So i mean that's not necessarily saying it's explicitly saying i think it's cool that he murdered two hundred black soldiers at fort pillow but but the racial. I mean they're not undertones. The racial tones of this monument debate are pretty clear refresh. My memory were called. What is the status of the monument. Now they won in court once. But where is it now. Yeah so the. The whereabouts of the first one are still unknown but they put up a second one in a. They unveiled it soon. After i had met them i met them. In march of two thousand fifteen day unveiled it at the end of may in twenty fifteen so that means it comes just three weeks before the charleston. Nine murders and in in the fallout from those murders. Of course it became clear that that dylann roof had gone on. This really strange like sightseeing tour. Through south carolina visiting confederate monuments. Civil war battlefields cemeteries wherein slay people were buried doing tour of of the confederacy. Almost as a way to steal himself. Before he was going to go murder nine black parisioners mother emanuel and and that's part of what kicked off. We're now still. we're still feeling effects of this. This massive referendum unconsidered symbols and the connection the proximity of those two events. Even if they're not directly connected the unveiling of the second forest bust and selma and then the charleston nine murders in the fallout from that. Those two things really became inextricable in my mind that I had this strange encounter with this group in selma in about confederate monuments and then it becomes big national referendum. And i think that was really the impetus for the book was was to follow stories about four statues in particular during these couple of years. These last several years where they've really in a really sort of mainstream part of american political debates more. Am i p after this message. This episode is brought to you by the last duel a film by ridley. Scott director of gladiator witnessed the true story of one woman who defied a kingdom and made history starring academy award winners matt damon and ben affleck academy award nominee adam driver and jodi comber who gives a performance critics. Say we'll be remembered oscar time. The script was written by academy award nominee nicole hall center as well as affleck and damon. See the last duel only in theaters october fifteenth. I don't know this either. Do the monuments to force still stand in murfreesboro nashville in memphis as well. They still stand in in murfreesboro despite continued attempt persistent attempts to remove them. They still stand the book climaxes in memphis with the removal of this thirty foot bronze equestrian statue. It's really a moving moment. Where i talked to this county. Commissioner remaining van turner is a black man who talks about how he really sort of mastermind. The removal of of this statue. He talked about how you know sort of late night. Removal the crane comes in. It's bathed in the glow of the blue light of the police cruisers that have closed the street About how when the the straps of that crane took hold and removed that statue. He really felt like this weight of all the the racial violence that that force represented was being sort of lifted from the city. You know he talked about how he told me. I was talking to summer. And he said you know. Memphis has a lot of ghosts will never get rid of the ghost of dr king but we got rid of one ghost. We got rid of the worst. I was really moving and in hebrew. It has metaphorical importance. It's a thirty foot statue. But it also embodies so much other pain and violence in history and and so. The removal of it was really powerful. Part of the unintended consequences of that though ironically are that that statue is gonna go back up on the grounds of the confederate museum out in columbia tennessee. So it has this sort of recurrent feel to it at least that some historians have said and i don't remember all the details here either bet a lot of this these statues and head geography of the civil war and civil war. Heroes didn't happen right after the war but happened later at a time. When even some i guess some of the precursors to the strom thurmond of the world needed to madison is a civil war needed to clean it up needed to do some pr for it. Took to make it more legendary romantic as almost as if the war was not lost. Almost as confederacy didn't lose it was kinda like a draw And is that your depiction of the history of these monuments as well. That's how they kind of came to be. And i was part of an effort to change the image of what really happen. I think so absolutely. The southern poverty law center does some really good data journalism on this showing. You know they have this graph showing when these monuments go not eighteen. Sixty six nineteen sixty seven on the immediate aftermath of the war. It's the turn of the twentieth century when you see the first real spike of a lot of these confederate monuments going up. And that's of course you know after the collapse of reconstruction when ex confederates are returning to political power in the south implementing jim crow and like you sort of tidying up the legacy of the civil war casting these men as heroes in enshrining them as heroes publicly. And you know it's interesting. There's this great book henry. Louis gates books stony the road that details all of these depictions of a black americans at that very same time. Just saturating who white americans consciousness with with demeaning and dehumanizing depictions black-americans. You know the sort of sambo tropes at the i think these confederate monuments. You can think of them one way. As sort of the other side of the coin demeaning and dehumanizing depictions of black people in heroic depictions of of the confederates and so it it cleared to your point. It it really. It gives lie to this as them simply being about history there about honor there about remembering these people they're about enshrining them as heroes keeping them in our present because they're in our courthouse squares. You describe something as cold. Civil war don't you. Is that subside. With all the miners. We've seen a lot of them. Come down is one side winning nicole. Civil war is subsiding at all. What do you. What do you think man. That's a good question. I mean it is certainly gratifying to see you know the. I think it's over hundred of come down just in the summer of twenty twenty which is amazing and i think a sign of this broader referendum that americans are having with history more and more people are willing to connect something like a confederate monument to the broader structural issues in that they represent the hoarding of wealth of opportunities of good choices of health. To enshrine this racial hierarchy. But it's complicated. When i talk about when i talked about the cold civil war i guess. I'm trying to make a distinction to show that the union had a military victory. But whether or not they had an ideological victory is a much more difficult Because of course the union victory did lead to emancipation in by no means means to understate the importance of that but of course the south and really american more generally was justifying the slave system on as idea that the men and women that they were enslaving were inherently inferior virtue of their race. Which is an idea that was invented. Right they don't biological basis for so that racial hierarchy that that slavery was a part of a slide that we were town that americans were telling about white. Supremacy is gonna is by no means vanquished at aba matic's it just takes different forms. It's not fight anymore. So that's why. I call it a cold civil war right it. It's no longer battery yields at school. It's it's lawyers in the courtroom. It's real estate agents in banks issuing mortgage some people and not others. It's who police defend who they see us as criminals. So that's thornier right. Who's who's winning that. It's tough to say i mean there's certainly been good movement decades really centuries of work to to get more white americans to be honest about how this country works and who it's meant to benefit and who pays the price for that and i think you can you can read. The removal of more of these confederate monuments is a step in the right direction in yet. We still have something like ten to one racial wealth gap in this country. So there's a lot of work left to do for sure. How do your students are still being fought. How do students at auburn. React to this book wisconsin. The state of alabama is about twenty percent black auburn. Less than four percent back there is just a op ed in the paper from a student Detailing segregated like the greek system. Here still last summer this really moving and powerful social media campaign of people detailing what is like to be black at auburn In the in the dehumanizing effects that that has what i've noticed with my students who are given those numbers overwhelmingly white is that a lot of times. This is something that a lot of them are just not thinking about that. They're still sort of. Tallahassee coats calls the dream. They're still in this dream like racism doesn't affect them that like maybe maybe races problem for black people. And and that's hard but you know brave people like martin luther king marched and didn't they sold like what's the issue here and i think. A lot of how auburn operates is meant to to have them unquestioned. That in not to think about it that is just sort of playground for them to keep to keep dreaming their dream around other other folks who are dreaming too so part of part of what i see is my job is just to to try and wake them up a little bit. Ask you questions that they've taken for granted but there's resistance to it for sure it's these are. These are difficult questions. Your book though. Is it your intention bad. Somehow your book still reaches some of those people. Yeah i hope so. I i think in some ways. I wrote this book. Generally i think i tried to take up the mandate of white people talking other white people about race which is something that we we. Just don't do and dreaming but but in a more specific way is writing this book to an earlier version of me. Who hadn't thought about these questions who had just taken up from just sort of absorbed. The received wisdom that like this isn't about me racism. Racism thing for for white people. We just are. You know it's a given. It's than the default or the norm. In that. I really did i this this I know i sound naive. When i say this because i was incredibly naive as as as a younger person Recently probably still in and a lot of ways but writing into an earlier version of me to say like. Hey you're swimming in this stuff so much of these questions of of racial prerogative in racial violence have maybe unseen waste. Maybe in in more subtle ways but no less insidious ways have shaped my life to the neighbor over. My folks were able to buy a house right the school. the public. The public school. That i went to that was You know sort of de facto segregated. How my parents were able to leverage that house. That was zoned in such a way to send me to that school to cosign loans to send me to to college. You know so so in in so many different ways. Structural ways this idea of this racial hierarchy has shaped the lines on which my life has moved and all the while. I was naive to them. So they're they're questions that are political in structural. But they're also you know questions that are personal and individual in. I think you really have to try. Grapple with both and so that's why the book takes on these big these bigger questions historical questions chronicling these protests movements. But it also makes these moves into try and capture the more personal journey that i was going onto the sort of awakening. I guess you'd call that. I've been on and it's my hope to connect those two things that that it can reach can reach folks who who maybe haven't thought much about this but can get them not just think about themselves but their lives in the bigger context of this country down along with doubles bones. Now available in paperback my guests. I book connor town. Neal's first book which were on next man. I'm working at another season away. Lies right now. So i got my fancy microphone. Now i'm back on the podcast. Beat good good well. Congratulations on that folks. Do check out white lies and do also check out down along with the devils bones. It's available in paperback till everyone about it. And maybe there's some people you well. No i think we all know someone who can benefit from. This might think this is not a relevant. You never had to be told that the confederate flag those things were wrong. They will just something that i knew about them that they were wrong. However am i share with you miles every toby store before. My cousin was university of tennessee's first afghan-american homecoming queen in the mid eighties. And i went to the game and you know as as you know. Knoxville has its own history and his own coal civil war. That's ongoing notorious knoxville's racism the further. East you tend to go in the state. The racism gets worse in tennessee. That was our experience. And my i grew up in the seventies and eighties memphis was predominately black nationals. With better three black colleges showed. You didn't go to win in knoxville. Sundown and So i was worried about my cousin man because she was going to be riding around ninety thousand seat neyland stadium in open car and be the first avenue makes a nervous wreck site decided. I was going to be her security detail all by myself and i was gonna police the whole ninety thousand. I was about fifteen albums. Gonna police all of neyland stealing. Make sure nothing happened there but fortunately nothing. It was all fact. But they played ole miss connor and ole miss had a predominant black football team. They still flying. The confederate flag is their battle flag. Football team singing. I wish i was in dixie and the fans wore the gray confederate hats from the civil war including black parents of those football players. And that served as a traumatic distraction from me from even my cousins saved. I realize when i could do ninety thousand people by myself. I wow what these are. I'm not adult yet. But i'm fifteen i'm like why do i fifteen understand how inappropriate that is in these grown adults. Don't but i guess. I just kind of said well. These kids playing for miss. They probably feel like they don't have a choice. Because those kids didn't have what you described some advantages. You had coming up. The way you came up. Black kid had to get a football scholarship to go to school as so i have to. As now if nasa i wouldn't have been out there wearing no confederate battlegear Football field but parents felt compelled to knew that. Be because philby had to or they too are unaware of the meeting meaning of it then on the other hand everybody used to watch. Dukes has it on tv and nothing anything. Yeah it was. It was like nobody. I would cringe. When the back of that car. Ted the confederate light. I would cringe everybody else like tv. Show so we've come clearly a long way with a long way to go. And i think your book. I think your book helps us man. It continues to help us. I hope so too. I hope so too Sports can point out so many of these issue that you off in true more recently with the nfl but in these moments that we don't think a political really are. I mean of course they are like we sort of we. We wanna thank or delude ourselves into thinking that they're not political but even them they stage all of these issues just the same way. One of the folks that i talked to him. My book had a this sort of radicalizing moment at a football game using one of the first integrated classes at middle tennessee state just in murfreesboro just out the nashville and they had. They had a student general forrest mascot and a student would up on horseback riding the sidelines. Koetter flags in the stands the band playing dixie and he sort of took it on as his sort of personal mission. Like no. You need to know what this means. What does represent and how we were holding back like. We can be so much better than sg if you can really own up to what that really means. Maybe we can get past it. But as your story illustrates in so many other present day wants to. It's something we're still struggling with. We don't give that up partly because it's it's about prerogative. Waste post baraga san. Oh no like. I'm just doing thing. This isn't i wanna have my history. I want to have my football games. I want to do the way i want to do it. And no one is gonna tell me otherwise. 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017: The Witchy Tour
"Down this road is a small city once thriving full of life, but now desolate and abandoned well abandoned eight for the horrors rumored to reside within. Which I presume while you're here. Now, there's nothing wrong with a little morbid curiosity. But please remember to stay close to your guys. We wouldn't want anyone to get left behind. Kello beautiful tourists and welcome to N-nope Phil Welcome. We missed your faces always every day. So we've discovered and I'm sure you've noticed this in the past, but we're slow. Speak. For Yourself. Our portfolios are also time machines. Noticed case you didn't notice in the plague episode, right so today we're going back in time you the witchy Salem witch trials. And then a popular American haunting the bill witch. So this is our which tour and I'm your tour guide. Jen and Christine. So make sure your tickets are correct. 'cause you know those waivers in the portals and all that good stuff. Yeah. 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The belief was that which is or people who made a pact with the devil to gain supernatural power and who would do his bidding which I don't even think i. knew that say until I watched the chilling adventures of Sabrina right and that's what I was going to. That's what I was thinking of. That makes sense why they put that in that. Yeah. They took that like incredibly literally and I at such an amazing show. It is a sort of witch craze had previously swept through Europe between the thirteen hundreds and sixteen hundreds in which tens of thousands of these alleged witches mostly. But not entirely women were executed Oh shea that particular witch craze was where a lot of what we hear about witchhunting actually happened such as binding, suspect which and throwing them into holy water and to see if they float or sink. It was also within the European craze which is were burned at the stake albeit in Scotland since it wasn't legal to do in England interesting. Yeah. The end of the Dark Ages saw the end of seeking out which is in Europe but early in sixteen ninety two that would change British North America. At this time, there was Salem village current day Danvers and Salem town current day. Salem. which were Puritan settlements. So the people living in this area were very religious. During this point of history of the Catholic Church was very corrupt. So anything perceived to go against God or worse to be in line with the devil was not tolerated. So in early sixteen, Ninety two would a pair of young girls, Williams eleven and Elizabeth Paris non started having fits. It was believed to be the work of the devil or more specifically witchcraft eleven and nine Yup they were the first to. These fits included violent contortions and uncontrollable outbursts of screaming. Okay. So terezin out luxy seeing. An actual doctor at the time stated that the cause was supernatural then diagnosed the with it wasn't witchcraft. Big, bewitched or something. At the same time other girls experienced similar symptoms including an Putnam Junior mercy, Lewis Elizabeth Hubbard Mary Wolcott and Mary warn. With magistrates, Jonathan Corwin and John Hawthorne Pressuring Them. The girls pointed fingers at three women as the ones who afflicted them to to the Perez Families Caribbean, slave of course Sarah good. Homeless. Becker. And Sarah Osborne a poor elderly woman. Oh right because the effluent. Possibly Dabble in witchcraft. Of. Course not. Not, how they got there or anything course during interrogation starting March first, both Sarah's maintained their innocence while to Tuba confessed that quote the devil came to me in bid may serve him and. She claimed that when she signed the book that equal black man had wanted her to sign, there had been several other which is names in it and that they sought to destroy the puritans. Well, it's thought that she had confessed in order to preserve her life by offering them information on more witches that they would not put her to death right away because it was pretty much certain that she was going to be convicted of being a witch no matter what she said until the point. Welcome to the sixteen hundreds right. The confession led to a rapid spread hysteria within the community and eventually spread to the rest of best. -Chusetts. With this spread, a number of others were accused of witchcraft including Martha Corey and Rebecca nurse both women were regarded as being upstanding members of the Church and Community of question. So when these two were accused, it was kind of like well of they could be, which is than literally anybody could. Right. So additionally, even Sarah goods four year old daughter Dorothy. was questioned and coerced into confirming that her mother was a witch and she was then delivered to jail with her mother. Well, that's not fair several other accused, which had the same ideas to to bud confessed in even more witches. So everybody's just throwing out names at this point. She's like if I'm condemned to death all you fucking bitches. You look at me weird. You must've Mitch the vast number of accused being apprehended in jail the. Justice system quickly became overwhelmed leading to the creation of the court of oiler interpreter literally meaning to hear and decide. By the new governor of Massachusetts William Phipps in May Sixteen Ninety two. The following is how the legal process worked according to LEGENDS OF AMERICA DOT COM. So this word for word what they say the system was like back then. When an individual filed an official complaint of to the court about a suspected, which a magistrate would issue for the rest of the accused person before the court of oil in Turner was appointed the sitting magistrates of the regular Salem Court or village officials presided at the examinations which functioned as preliminary hearings and decided whether there was enough evidence to hold an accused which for trial. In the Court of Interpreter these magistrates included Jonathan Corwin John Hath. And Bartholomew Gibney of Salem Town Thomas. Danforth of Boston if the complaint was deemed credible, the magistrates issued a warrant for arrest and the individual was brought in for a public examination essentially an interrogation where the magistrates pressed the accused to confess. Once, the accused person was taken into custody they were examined by two or more magistrates. If after listening to testimony the magistrates believed the accused person was probably guilty the accused sent to jail for possible reexamination and to await trial, the case would then be presented to a grand jury where testimony would be made into depositions entered into evidence if the accused doesn't by the grand jury he or she was tried before the. Court of oil interpreter a jury would then decide the defendant's guilt or innocence. If the defendant was found guilty, the court would pronounce the sentence and the Salem witch trials. Guilty defendants were sentenced to be hanged on a specific date, the sheriff and his deputies carried out the sentence of death religious seems like if you're accused and you're taking trial your essentially guilty. Yeah. You'll. You'll get to hear how they determined bills. Guilt okay. So the first person to be tried before the grand jury was bridget bishop onto second. Let's we talked about her in our sleep process episode. That's she was found guilty and eight days later became the first which hanged in this in which trials. Following, this five more people were hanged in July five more in. And another eight in September. Additionally, other seven of the accused died in jail and giles corey was pressed to death with stones when he continued to refuse to confess to being a witch key. Interesting. Yeah. There is a mixture of men and women accused throughout all of this. It was believed up until January twenty sixteen. The hangings took place on what became known as Gallows Hill in Salem town. But researchers discovered the actual location where the hangings took place using new sonar technology, as well as various historical documents which place called I. Think proctors, Rich They Sarah now. Interesting respected. minister. Cotton mather is believed to have been in favor of admitting what was known as spectral evidence to into the proceedings but argued that it should not be the sole evidence presented nor what leads to conviction So spectral evidence is evidence visible only to the enchanted who conversed with the devil or with his confederates unquote? So he saying that you can't just use that as your argument because I could say I saw this. This person doing is they must be a witch basically he sang there. He's claiming that there needs to be more than just that. You can't have it be the only thing. Yeah. So essentially, this means that the people claiming to be afflicted by which is would claim that the accused had appeared to them a dream or vision either as themselves or even as an animal like a black cat. They claimed that the which had bitten pinched choked or otherwise harm to them as mentioned in our first episode on sleep paralysis which I feel. I. Think Bridget Bishop was supposedly showing up in people's houses as black cat sitting on their chest. And then they were actually having sleep roses right so that makes you wonder like the person imagining these things also not have some sort of psychological disorder. Only this person is a witch no, you just schizophrenic. The devil actually talks to you. Apparently, the magistrates decided it was acceptable to use spectral evidence to condemn someone because of sixty page booklet written by Gilbert, Geiss and Ivan Button about the case of amy, Denny and rose calendar These women were accused of witchcraft stood trial and hanged in Lowestoft England in sixteen sixty, two spectral evidence had been permitted. So the only thing was someone accusing them and they're like, yeah, we believe you just said it was permitted it didn't necessarily say it was the only evidence. Yeah. But that led the course that works. Other evidence included the touch test in which an afflicted person would cease having their fit when the person that bewitched them touched them. Okay. Subjective. Also, the witch mark, which could be any worse mole birthmark or outstanding swelling discoloration on the body which did not bleed when poked with a needle or pin. Okay. Also any discovery of items such as puppets or books, Palmistry and horoscopes or even pots. Of Eight minutes. So found any of that shit in someone's home Darwich are it said that while cotton caution with getting this kind of evidence he very quickly pulled a one eighty and argued for a speedy and vigorous prosecution so we will just trigger. Happy. Oh. Yeah. There's there's so many people jealous. Get Out of here I. DON'T I'm bored I want to see a hanging yeah this. A witch but them up there. Yeah. But it was actually his father increase mather president of Harvard College who finally took a more solid stance than his son that spectral evidence should not be admitted in argued that quote, the standards of evidence for witchcraft must be equal to those for any other crime and his also on record as concluding that quote, it would be better that ten suspected which is may escape than one innocent person be condemned and quote that is why you were the president of Harvard Job Sir. By this time public support over the trials had begun to wane, and by October governor Phipps dissolved the court of oil interpreter. Furthermore, he demanded that its successor disregard spectral evidence and thus trials continued until Early Sixteen, Ninety three albeit with less intensity and then by May fifth, pardoned and released all of the accused witches from prison. Let's K. attempts to atone for the atrocity of the Salem witch trials began in January sixteen, Ninety seven when the Massachusetts General Court declared a day of fasting. Okay. Because that makes up for. Anything Oh. We Killed Twenty men and women, but you know everybody's not eating today. So you're good Mexican more than twenty when you actually added up but like the actual hangings killed about nineteen to twenty. And then another like eight. Right. The court also later declared the trials unlawful and the leading Justice Samuel Sewell publicly apologized for his role. In seventeen eleven the Massachusetts colony passed legislation to restore the good names of the condemned and provided financial restitution to their heirs. Cho's that siral equivalent to all the lives lost right in July of twenty seventeen, the city of Salem Massachusetts Open Memorial for the people that were convicted and killed during the Salem witch trials. The memorial consists of semi circular area enclosed by a wall, which contains the names of the people that were hanged in the location as well as a single oak tree at the center The tree is said to be a quote symbol of endurance and dignity. The memorial was funded by dozens of small donations many from descendants of those killed that site in addition to a one hundred seventy four, thousand dollar community. Preservation Act Grant. As with anything that doesn't quite make sense to us in the here, and now there are some theories as to what exactly caused the events of the Salem witch trials to take place yeah. One theory contends that it could have been a sort of post traumatic stress in some of the girls perhaps having witnessed some of the atrocities of King Philip's. which took place nearby in the sixteen seventy s coupled with the culture of fear that was generated by the continued threat. Another theory is that young people were rebelling against the Puritan Authority as the first accusers were quite young and many of the accused were older. Related to that the feminist thought is that the trials were away to put women who acted against social norms back in place for sure. Yet, another theory is that in the midst of dangerously cold weather in this four, hundred year period when witchcraft scares were most prevalent in Europe and North America falling in a little ice age. With lower than average temperatures, crops were more likely to fail colder, seas would prevent cod and other fish from migrating far enough north, thus eliminating vital food sources and leading people to search for a supernatural scapegoat right. So they believed that which were cursing the lands and keeping them from being able to eat. Yeah. It is also theorized that mass hysteria as a result of the stress of living in such a rigid society near a dangerous wilderness frontier manifested into physical symptoms. which may genuinely be the cause. Mass hysteria is defined as the rapid spread of conversion disorder a condition involving the appearance of bodily complaints for which there is no organic basis. And such episodes. Psychological distress is converted and channeled into physical symptoms and quote a theory that seems about as likely as any to me is that everything started from Betty Parris and Abigail Williams feeling guilty about being enthralled by fortune telling from the slave to Tuba? Yeah. So there is since it was such a strict religious system. Kids weren't allowed to be kids. They were not allowed to play or anything like that. They had to do tours read the Bible and that was pretty much it. Yeah. So when some of them were introduced to more interesting things like fortune telling they felt guilty for being interested gas. So they decided to be like you made me interested in this your wage. Yeah. And I'm like I mean if the others that seems the least likely to me. Yeah but. And the final theory is that the people of Salem village Salem town suffered from ergot poisoning a fungus that in the perfect conditions grows on, Ryan can cause symptoms including convulsions, hallucinations, and pinching sensations interesting or sleep perhaps. Or some other psychological disorder that everybody was experiencing and was such a tight knit community. They don't understand what that is right. And they're like, you must be a witch you're making me do this nauseous your brain doing that too. Yeah. I mean in all honesty I feel like it's A. Big. Combination of a lot of these with like the mass hysteria assery for sure. Yeah. Mob Mentality. Looking, for any excuse for like the crops are failing it was it was also noted that in terms of the the one about the war that another view of that kind of same theory was that some one of the people that was accused was somebody who was involved with the war and I believe he was a general and it was kind of like a while he failed so but it can't be because of him. So let's blame it on literally shales. Yeah when I was doing my research for my topic, they would say something like it's not necessarily like a witch in terms of what we think like people practicing spells and. Witchcraft and stuff. It's just they would call a witch or witchy if they can't explain what was happening. Yeah they have no explanation for it so it must be a witch. So, in conclusion, a whole bunch of people in Massachusetts went bananas and killed a bunch of people and then felt bad about it later. Yeah. Man That's that's all I got on the atrocious Salem witch trials horrible. Right. So I, go back into the portal because we're GONNA, go a little bit further in time but still centuries behind our current time we're GONNA go little ahead. Tennessee. So let's go. All right. So welcome to Tennessee. Nice right in eighteen o four. So in eighteen o four John and Lucy, bell along with their four children moved from North Carolina to Red River Tennessee, which is now Adams Tennessee. The move occurred after three harsh years of crop failures. So they decided to move westward along with other families who had done the same thing. John and Lucy we're doing well for themselves and Tennessee John became an elder in the Red River Baptist. Church. They continue to accumulate land which eventually spread to over three hundred acres and their family grew with the birth of three more children between the years of eighteen o six in eighteen thirteen. Always. Well, until one day in eighteen seventeen while John was out in the Cornfield, he saw a strange animal appear this animal was large in black and had the body of a dog but the head of a rabbit. Right, which my husband's saw picture and he was like, that's a cool looking. Sudden which you know. Fair. John had fired at the animal with his rifle but miss and sprint it off. He chased after it, but it mysteriously disappeared. and. It was night after night and he continued to search for this animal, but it never showed up again this off a chain of events that John Never recovered from that same night after dinner the family to hear banging sounds on the outside of their house when John and his sons would go outside to inspect the noise. There is nothing to be found and this happened nightly. As the weeks went on the rest of the family solder to experience strange occurrences started relatively benign with sugar being taken from the bowl and milk spilling on the table. However soon, the children complained about hearing strange sounds while they slept at night, they would frequently hear the sound of rats, gnawing, at their bedposts hearing the sound of scratching noises dragging across the floor and ceilings as well as the sounds of chains dragging. And having their bedcovers yanked from their bodies and their pillows thrown across the room. What the fuck. House is haunted. The family then starting to hear the faint sound of whispering voices I. I couldn't discern what the voices were saying but as time went on the voice became clear and resembled that of an old lady singing hymns and quoting scripture, she would also frequently laugh and cackle at the mischievous antics she would pull on the fan. And this entity was eventually referred to as the bell witch and for some unknown reason, she had such a hatred for John that she vowed she would kill him saying quote Mr Bell is a bad man and referring to him as Old Jack Bell won't Berating Him Interesting Yep. There are multiple stories as to who or what this entity actually was mostly that the which referred to herself as Kate Bats, and although a kate bats did exist and was alive at this time her involvement in this haunting has been argued and disputed but still to this day, Sim referred to the witch as Kate. Other stories claim that it is the angry spirit of a native American person whose grave was disturbed by one of the bell children Later, the invisible entity grew more violent scratching pinching and punching the family members chooses Elizabeth Bell the daughter referred to as betsy got the brunt of the attacks. Her hair would be tied in knots around the bedposts. Bruises and welts were left all over her body and her siblings would just cry in horror at the sound betsy cries of pain throughout the night unable to ward off the. So. The children were just watch betsy getting hurt in punch by the some invisible thing. Yeah. What else can you do So it was betsy had been slapped so hard that left an imprint on her cheeks or well, and bessie would frequently suffer from frequent fainting spells and shortness of breath for good reason, the Bell family wanted to keep this haunting to themselves. As mentioned before, John, was an elder in the Church and to quote historian Pat Fitz Hugh quote would you call for help not if you were an elder of the Red River Baptist Church only one hundred and twenty five years after the Salem witch trials and in the buckle of the Bible Belt and. So yes, you would keep this to yourself lest your entire family be hanged for being witches. For the next year things continue to escalate. And John didn't know what to do. He confided in one of his good friends, James Johnston he and his family stayed in the bell. House for a night where they witnessed firsthand all the strange things going on with James being slapped in the face and having his bedcovers pulled off of him. Supposedly Johnston attempted to perform an extra schism and this only angers entity more and she grew more violent. In eighteen eighteen adding to his bad luck John, bell was excommunicated from the red. River Church due to some bad business dealings involving the sale of a slave. Some people think that the church's decision went beyond this and that was actually due to the haunting surrounding bill. Deputy searches like you're getting excommunicated 'cause you're shady with business but in reality, it's because you're being haunted. In Your House. Yes. After this, the stories are spread and soon people from all over Tennessee to get a glimpse at the witch and her powers supposedly even future President Andrew Jackson was interested in the legend as well, and of course. So the bells had a connection with Andrew Jackson with the three oldest boys having served under him when he was a general in the battle of New Orleans. So he kept in contact with them. So Jesse Jackson was like find out what's going on here. So in eighteen nineteen on the way to visit the Bells Andrew Jackson entourage rented some wagon trouble. When they approached the bell property, their wagons all mysteriously stopped and would not crossed the property line with Jackson proclaiming quote by the Journal boys that must be the bell witch. So after saying this disembodied female voice floated through the trees saying all right general. Let the wagon move on. I'll see you again tonight. And with that, all the wagons were able to move again and they proceeded to the Bell House who knew that one of the president's was into ghosts. I hear the White House really haunted though Aurea by all the past presidents. So that night was supposedly uneventful that is until. Which Tamer along the group taunted the witch saying he possessed a gun silver bullet that could kill any evil spirit it came in contact with so as I talk about Zach Layer. Even, going as far as to say that the reason that things were quiet and that the wish wasn't doing anything was because she was scared of his silver bullet. Okay Yep. Sure. Obviously the entity took issue with this haunting and decided to give this man and taste of what she was capable of. He shot up from his seat screaming and jerking and claiming that his body felt like it was being stuck with thousands of pins. Event felt a strong kick to his back and was pushed right out the door. Get out my house. The entity called him a fraud and threatened to call out more frauds throughout Jackson's company had they continued to stay there originally Jackson wanted to stay an entire week but his men were scared and begged to leave they packed up and headed to Nashville the next morning. Right. This brave general who find all these battles future president of the United States was like fuck this I'm. Sounds like all his other men were like, fuck this I'm out and he was like, all right I guess, I. Guess. I guess I guess I don't have control over these people, right so the entity wasn't mean to the entirety of the bill family. However, some stories report that she was actually somewhat nice to John's wife Lucy Lucre. There was a time where Lucy was sick with pleurisy and the spirit would frequently sing her spiritual hymns and bring her fruit. Pat fitzhugh would argue that this wasn't the entity being kind to Lucy rather this was the entity wanting lucy to be healthy to witness torment. She would lay upon Lucy's family only being able to watch and not be able to do anything about it. But sounds more in character. So would the growing intensity of the haunting John's health began to deteriorate he suffered from bouts of seizures, Migraines, fatigue, and weakness on eighteen twenty three years after the appearance of the bell witch. John. died after having slipped into a coma a mysterious vile a black liquid was found in the medicine. Cabinet John Junior had given it to a cat who died after ingesting it. Why Use Sox? Yup. So the entity laughed in cackled and claimed she was the one who killed John Bell. She was even reported to have been present at his funeral with it's supposedly being one of the largest funerals held in Robertson County Tennessee. Well, she was laughing cackling and singing the entire time gloating that she was the one who killed Jon Bill. Well, that's crazy after John's death esteemed as if the entity had gone away however for whatever reason when betsy got engaged to Joshua Gardner a year later in eighteen twenty, one, all of a sudden entity wanted to say in the relationship. My God, she continued to Taunt Betsy and tell her not to marry Josh Garner and said, she wouldn't leave until betsy broke up with him. For no reason. Yeah. I was GONNA say she she clearly hates men but they had sons. So yes, it's just specific. I don't know member important to betsy. I don't know because like she would she honed in on attacking John and Betty for all the people in the family like there were seven children. Of. All the people in the family like betsy and John were the ones that she let act near and now betsy finds some sort of peace and found love and then the which is like nope yeah. It was the point to the two could never enjoy any time alone without entity writing that third wheel taunting them anytime they were together. God, eventually, Betsy gave in ended things with him and he moved off to Western. Tennessee. Later Betsy did eventually marry her old schoolteacher Richard Powell who the entity supposedly approve live as she didn't try to stop the marriage. Okay. Some accounts state that Richard Powell Dabbled in the occult and frequently expressed the desire to marry betsy, even though he was secretly married to a woman in Nashville and even now he was eleven years older than Betsy Oh God. So there's a speculation that maybe he was to blame for the entities appearance, but nothing has been proven. It was just very convenient that he showed up in red river in eighteen fifteen and these things are happening eighteen seventeen. Just convenient. Yeah but. Entities supposedly approves of him. Yeah. He's clearly more than Joshua was right whatever. But I digress she marries his guy poor betsy. So the entity told Lucy that she would appear again in seven years and sure enough in eighteen twenty eight she appeared to John Bell Junior where they supposedly had discussions predicting the future with the oncoming of the civil war. Okay. And she even said that she would return again and one hundred and seven years in nineteen, thirty five. Fits you has said quote some say she did return but most people say she never left the place she's always been there and always will be and there's always something going on there and. In nineteen thirty, four, Dr Charles Bailey Bell who is the great grandson of John Bell? A book titled The Bell Witch Mysterious Spirit this reinstated the interest of the century old legend just before her suppose return in nineteen, thirty five. However Nashville journalist named t h Alexander had remained skeptical of this date and said that she was supposed to return in nineteen, thirty seven after one hundred and ten years not one hundred seven after publishing that he and his writing partner had found evidence of the fact of the new date at the time people reported to hear strange noises coming from the bell which cave, which was a cave located on the bell property. He had over three hundred acres of land remember So there was a cave on the property somewhere in the three hundred acres So inside they found an empty doubt corn sack broken beds and a ski and scattered feathers of unknown. At this time, even famous magician had planned to spend the night in a cave in order to capture the ghost on film, which seems to be the Nineteen Thirties version of Zach begins. We will always circle back around Zach for Scher, can anytime there's a haunting involved like begging later that same year local radio station broadcasting a forty minute dramatization of the story of the bell witch and the legend became rampant again, and by Halloween of that same year play had hit the stage of the Princess Theatre called the return of the bell. Witch. By December of that year, some remaining family members of the bells were angry about the reinstatement of the bell which legend. So they wanted to put a stop to it and so by December of that year, people just like, nope no more bill which. It doesn't exist anymore stop it out to this eight alleged on the Bell Wichita in Tennessee schools, and the bell property has been turned into a tourist area. Some descendants of the bell family either love to talk about the legend or to talk about it. Nothing to do with the famous American haunting. Between Yup. The cave located on the property is open for tours and our favorite ghost hunter in visited in one episode. Which I'll talk about an afterthought. So do you walk through Tennessee approximates a bill which in the judge by their face like whether they're going to talk to you about it if their descendant of the bells yeah. Pretty much. Like. The bill. This, your litmus test. How this cave takes place in the legend, the Bell, which is supposedly one day. A group of children were playing on the farm and ventured into the cave. One boy got stuck in a hole and cry for help and a woman's raspy voice shouted back all get him out. An invisible hands pulled the boy to safety that's out of character. Yep. So there's no rhyme or reason why this one act of kindness was attributed to the bell witch but only that this cave was supposedly her home when she wasn't tormenting the bell family. I just hate them get. You're not one of them so. I'm okay with you. Yeah. Like you're good. But these other people know yeah, can't even say it's because it was a kid because she was tormented the shit out of Betsy. And she was eleven or twelve at the time to go. down. So the owners of the cave have stated that during their tours, people have taken rock from the cave and have been met with bad luck because of it don't take anything anywhere ever So they get countless letters back including the rocks that were taken with the story of what occurred to the person who took it. Among the stories one man said that after taking a rock from the cave during a tour, his wife left him, and then the next day he lost his job. So, there's also legend that states that the reason this particular cave could be haunted is because it sits underneath a native American burial ground. And literally served as a portal to the other side. So, there was a rumor that the youngest boy of the Bell family was digging around the mound on of the cave and discovered a skull. which he brought back to the house. Supposedly. A tooth came loose from the skull and was lodged between the floorboards of the house which if this were true is an entity could be attributed to the unruly angry spirit of a native American whose grave he disturbed, right? Film adaptations of this legend have been created and it's even said that the Blair witch project, the famous found footage horror movie nineteen, Ninety nine was inspired by the haunting of the bell witch I wondered about that Yup even with the poltergeist type of activity of the belt, which it was said that the movie poltergeist had some of its inspirations taken from the tail. and. If you're feeling up for it, you can visit the bill which K for as little as twelve dollars and Tennessee just don't take anything from it lest you desire to be haunted by the witch herself I mean. So can I just say that like I wish Karma. was like that for all things people removed from places they shouldn't select. On a hike even out here in red. Rock it's it's not advised to take one of the rocks home with you because you're potentially disrupting an ecosystem. Yeah. So it's like I, I, of wish that Karma work that way for all of it. Yeah. Like if you go to the zoo here, the San Diego, zoo or the safari park and take feather that off of one of the exotic birds you could be disrupting the ecosystem that's outside of the zoo. Like, it's butterfly. Effect. Just ripples in this ponders don't do it just leave it. Look at it, take pictures of it. Don't take it home. If you enjoyed your tour today, please leave us a review on wherever you book your tour reviews couples, grow and reach more listener. So we can provide you with more tours remembered visit our website at podcast dot com, where you will have access to our show notes anything referred to in today's tour. 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95: "Several Thousand Things that Won't Work:" Thomas Alva Edison and His Electric Light
"Presented by climate power education fund does big oil care about our streets flooding or our home burning not according to an exxon mobil top lobbyists. Did we aggressively bite against Some of the science. Yes you know. We were looking out for our shareholders. Take care about profits. Not people learn more at polluters dot exposed history that doesn't suck as a biweekly podcast delivering legit seriously researched hard hitting survey of american history through entertaining stories. If you'd like to support hdfs or enjoy some perks like ad free early. Releases or patron exclusive mini episodes. Please consider giving at patriotair dot com forward slash history that doesn't suck to keep up with. Hdfs news follow us on facebook twitter or instagram. It's sunday morning. October nineteenth eighteen seventy nine arena. Quiet rural new jersey neighborhood called menlo park where a handsome two story grayish white. Clobbered cited building with two chimneys sits on a hill it's a curiously elongated structure. The building measures over one hundred feet in length but more curious still is its upper level. The whole floor is a single massive room thousands of variously shaped and colored bottles containing chemicals of every kind line the shelves walls punctuated by windows tables dot the room in on. These are microscopes crucibles magnifying glasses in all sorts of other instruments. The also find batteries and one corner musicians will be glad to know. There's a cabinet oregon. This is a place of creation innovation. Invention. this is the laboratory of the thirty two year old inventor presently obsessed with creating a long lasting and thus commercially viable incandescent. Light thomas alva. Edison alva- and yes the inventor does go by his middle name. Sits attentively in a chair is blue. Green is fixated as he cautiously watches the liquid metal known as mercury to send long vertically oriented tube on his spring style vacuum pump. The mercury's flow suctions air from a pear-shaped glass or bowl. Attached via a second tube. This glass bowl is latest. Iteration of an incandescent light but before he sends electricity's through its copper wires and across the thread connecting them or film it as it's called the brown haired inventors using this pump to remove as much air from the ball possible. That's how he gives his little filament of fighting chance of not burning to a crisp trista zaps it with temperatures as high as five thousand degrees fahrenheit. See those temperatures are why the film is the key thing here. Alva- would have a marketable incandescent light. If only he could find something able to take the heat. He's performed countless experiments over the past year. And this time. He's using carbonized. Cotton thread here. We go again. The mercury starts pulling sizable air bubbles. Al now heats glass bulb with an alcohol flame thus expanding the remaining gases inside who this delicate work one mistake and days of effort will go to waste but as the hours pass. Things continue smoothly. The mercury is now dripping faster. One of alvis assistance nineteen year old francis gel grabs the jar collecting mercury at the bottom of the pump. Replaces it with a new one. Then ascends a stepladder deported. Liquid back into the contractions reservoir. Meanwhile alva- cautiously starts using a battery to provide any electrical current to the bulbs to wires the flow of mercury continues to evacuate air from pear-shaped glass as the film inside. Glose after ten hours of this. The bulbs ready. It's time to see if this filament is the ticket. Alva- turns to his bespectacled moustachioed glass blower ludvig bowen and instructs him to seal off the ball. Young francis gel and the old man is t- alva- edison is often called despite being relatively young himself. Now settle in to see how long it last and at this point. Well i'll at francis. Tell it i quote edison and i cut it death. Watch to know any convulsions. Or any last symptoms. The lamp might give when expiring the lap however did not expire in the morning. We were relieved by bachelor. Upton enforce the lamp continued to burn brilliantly all that day passing the twenty four hour mark who were stirred with hope as each hour past bets were made. In general good humor existed all around. The night of the twentieth of october again brought quiet to the laboratory as the watch continued this time composed of edison bachelor during the night between the twentieth twenty-first edison judging from the appearance of the lamp. Still burning without flaw seemed satisfied that the first solid foundation of future of electric lighting had now been laid. The lamp held out. Hero equate that night and the following day until between one and two o'clock in the afternoon of tuesday october. Two thousand eighteen seventy nine. It attained more than forty hours of life the longest existance yet achieved by an incandescent lamp. Edison now yielded to temptation as often before in his experimental work to force. The lamp was successively higher voltages until in a dazzling brightness. It gave out is this it. Well maybe while alba. Edison agrees with francis gel. That this bill for more than forty hours. It will ride their accounts in the twentieth century on the other hand there colleague charles bachelor won't refute them but his day to day records. Don't mention this experiment. He does however describe a bulb they prepare on october twenty first which then lights beautifully for thirteen and a half hours on october. Twenty second before surviving yet. Another hour still after they crank up the juice d. Two men present misremembered the same incredible event in the same way or did charles who is busy preparing more filaments for future experiments as the other two. Prepared this forty plus. Our bulb somehow not noted that. I can't tell you but whether one or both versions are right. Alva and his team have found that a carbonized cotton thread can make an electric light run for several hours and the inventor concludes quote. It will burn that number of hours now. I know i can make it. Burn hundred quote if alba's right about making it run longer than he. The wizard of menlo park has truly defeated the dark of night and is on the cusp of bringing about a radical revolutionary. Change the united states world for that matter will never be the same Welcome the history. That doesn't suck. I'm new professor. Greg jackson and i'd like to tell you a story I could never tell the tale of an inventor whose work touches the telegraph telephone audio recording the stock ticker the electric light power stations and even motion pictures and so much more while successfully obtaining one thousand ninety three patents in one go. So let's be clear. This is not the comprehensive story of thomas alba edison. This is the story of alva- and has electric light. And i say his very purposefully because as all detail electric lights called arc lamps predate his work and others are figuring out the incandescent light at the same time. It's alvis light. However the changes the world his established reputation brazenness business sense and crucially his focus on producing not just a working incandescent light but a practical commercially viable incandescent to light up a massive swath of lower manhattan. or what. Set him in the boys at menlo park apart from the rest. But i won't get ahead of myself. Let's start by meeting. A young alva- edison whose love of science and entrepreneurialism is already evident at a young age. Then we can follow him through a few reputation making inventions on our way. Back to the wizards lab at menlo park and to do all that. We need to go back a little over three decades. So let's do it rewind amid early morning. Snowfall thomas alva. Edison is borne about ten miles south of lake erie. The small town of mylan ohio on february eleventh eighteen forty-seven his family background is deeply american. Well north american that is during the american revolution. The edison numbered among the thousands of loyalists who fled north to canada. And even though his mother originally hails from new york little thomas alva or just alba as his parents salmon. nancy call him would have been born up north. Just like the other. Edison kids if not for his pop participating in an anti-government riot back in eighteen. Thirty seven when charged with high treason and canada. Sam found motivation to take the famine immigration south. Go figure now in ohio. The edisons are financially successful enough to enjoy a middle class life in a picturesque red brick home but they certainly see their fair share of heartbreak to death claims. The youngest three of the first six edison children before any of them turned six as such baby. Alva- is raised essentially as an only child on top of these painful losses. Business is beginning to go. Downhill new technologies like the railroad are changing the economy and the inland port of mylan. Ohio's feeling and so in eighteen fifty four cm nancy and seven year old the edison. Pack it up and move north right up to the canadian. Bordering waterfront of port huron michigan michigan is a great move for the edisons economically. Speaking but little alva- isn't having the best time. He's bullied at school. The future inventor comes across a bit odd and he's less inclined to play more likely to be lost in thought. The other kids respond to his peculiar disposition by dubbing hemi fool. Perhaps we're still. Teachers are dismissive of this child. He doesn't fit conventional methods call alva- quote unquote adult and at least once. He goes home in tears after overhearing. His instructor say teaching. The edison kid is a waste of time. Even his father seems to agree the one day. Great american inventor will later call that my father thought i was stupid and at last i almost decided i must really be dance dan. Thank goodness alvarez's. his mother. nancy. Edison keeps her boy from falling prey to be self destructive thoughts. Alpha will later. Right of the dark-haired new yorker my mother the making of me she was so true so sure of me. I felt that. I had someone to live for someone. I must not disappoint. Nancy knows how to get through to her son. She strikes in near perfect balance between maintaining discipline. Yet letting him jump from one topic to another until he gets fascinated by subject in dive. Steve indeed alba often gets desperately lost a single subject. The later recall. I didn't read. Books cried the library by aged nine. He's reading encyclopedias. On science and natural philosophy or what future generations will call physics. This is where he first reads the words electricity magnetism and about the newly-invented electromagnetic telegraph young alva- or just alle to the other kids has a particular passion for chemistry as he goes door to door selling fruits and vegetables from his family garden. Help pay the bills. These spiring scientists uses his pocket change or allowance for that now terms to make his own little laboratory in the cellar. And they're below the edison home album amasses over two hundred bottles all of which he labels poison to deter. Anyone from drinking is chemicals. I know it's kind of adorable. And just what a little kid would do selling veggies and building. His own lab already makes alvis something of a unique child. But that's just the start of it by eleven years old. He built his own homemade telegraph. Which you think connects to his friend's house about one and a half miles away. It's also about this time. He starts to lose his hearing. You'll find various theories out there as to why but we don't know for sure what we do know is that his hearing loss is severe. Although later report that. I haven't heard a bird seen since i was twelve years old. Alva- doesn't let his disability holding back though even calls it a blessing as being almost completely deaf. Let's him tune out distractions nor does it damage confidence. The intellectually curious in entrepreneurial minded youth will continue to seize opportunities and think outside the box demonstrates those traits rather boldly as a teenager living through the civil war. It's mid morning wednesday april ninth eighteen. Sixty two fifteen year. Old alvis descended from a train. Car in detroit michigan. The mostly deaf teen can't hear much but he sees large crowds anxiously reading around newspaper bulletin boards wanting to know with the fusses about he approaches reads and learns that last sunday it confederate army surprised union forces camping near shiloh church in south western tennessee. It was a bloodbath. The civil wars worst up to this point as the crowd absorbs the horror of thousands of casualties alvis scratches down the main headlines then dashes off to the telegraph operator here at michigan central station c. l. has been selling newspapers and candy on train cars for over a year by this point. He knows a good story. When sees it he realizes everyone at the stops on his northbound returned. Port here on will want a newspaper. Detailing the battle of shiloh. Bribing a telegraph operator with a promise of free newspapers for the next three months. Al convinces him to send note to station masters on the line asking them to post the headlines with an announcement that newspapers containing greater details will be available for purchase on the four pm. Train the ever energetic alva- then bolts over to the detroit. Free press office as newspapers with the all caps headline the great battle on the tennessee or coming hot off the press. The teenager makes a bold demand. I need a thousand copies of the afternoon edition on trust. Surely some of the newspaperman must be laughing right now. But editor henry and walker loves what he calls the kids sas ke authorizes the orders. Alva- pays another boy to help him carry the papers backed train where he folds massive stacks as they start to sting north l. steps off. The train is short distance later at utica michigan. He's thronged by people waiting for the newspaper. His telegraph advertised would be here. I'll usually sells two copies of the detroit. Free press at this stop today. He moves thirty five continuing like this from stop to stop alba's soon realizes he's going to sell out. So the youthful entrepreneur starts raising the price. The five cent newspaper becomes ten but upon arriving back home at port huron he finds yet another enormous crowd looking at his pile of remaining newspapers and back into the faces of his potential customers cunning. Alva- cries out twenty five cents. A piece gentlemen. I haven't got enough to go around. He sells out and heads home with what he calls an immense amount of money and the realization that the telegraph is a great invention alba used the money to continue furnishing his new mobile laboratory that he's building on one of the train cars. That's right just because al is growing up doesn't mean he's left behind his curiosity and love of science in the once. Empty baggage car album houses. His stacks of newspapers crates of candies groceries chemicals for the inventions. He tries in his downtime and even a mini printing. press with which. He published his own newspaper. The weekly herald but the mobile lamb short-lived one of alvis sticks. Phosphorus falls to the floor and sets fire to the baggage car. It conductor here on the grand trunk. Railway considers this fire the final straw and kicks alva- his press his newspapers and his lab off the train for good. But that isn't the end of the line for the tenacious. Impetuous team see previous to losing. His sweet sat up on the train. Alvis saved an infant boy who had fallen on the track from an unbreakable boxcar. He dropped his papers dash toward the danger and lifted the child safety just by the skin of his teeth. It also just so happens that the child's father was none other than the local stationmaster. Telegraph operator james. Mackenzie feeling beyond indebted to his son. Savior he's more than happy. To teach the edison kid how to properly do morse code through the fall and winter months of eighteen. Sixty two alvis soaks up the telegraph operators wisdom. The future inventor practices some eighteen hours each day until morse code becomes a second language for him. Starting eighteen sixty three and for the next five years album takes his telegraphing skills on the road to all sorts of companies in michigan indiana ohio kentucky and even canada. He has a terrifying moment here when two trains nearly collide under his watch but not to fear. The crisis is averted and he does. What edison men have done since the seventeen hundreds when their prospects get dicey. They crossed the us. Canadian border back in the states teenage alva- continues to impress colleagues managers with his telegraphing talent while also upsetting down with his consistent insistence on invention. Between december eighteen. Sixty six in january eighteen sixty seven hour receives the message of president. Andrew johnson's more than seven thousand word. Second annual message to congress as well as the embattled executives over six thousand word veto of a bill to extend the vote to black men in washington. Dc that doesn't sound impressive. let me put it this way. Set this podcast at a slower rate then. Transcribed the episode word for word without pausing or taking a break. Yeah the dudes among if not the best taker as they're called in the telegraphing biz but as his reputation grows in his career. Advances allergist can't seem to stop inventing instead of sleeping. After long days of work. He spends his nights reading the volumes of experimental researches. By the famed shattering british electro scientist michael faraday. The scientists work a deep impression on the ambitious inventor while eating breakfast with his friend milton atoms. One morning al begins talking about michael faraday and exclaims i am now twenty. One i may live to be. Fifty can get as much done as he did so much to do in. Life is so short. I am going to have to hustle and hustlers does house invented automatic vote counter which lands him his first patent in eighteen. Sixty eight a fire alarm in various other minor. Inventions or improvements using his knowledge electricity. Now he quickly learns that. Some inventions aren't appreciated. Turns out congressman. Aren't super interested. In having their votes counted quickly so i'll becomes determined to put his inventing energy only into things that people want things that are practical. Frankly things that can make money after all. How else can you afford to take his. Michael ferte inspiration and throw his life into just inventing and with that mindset. Al proves himself as much the entrepreneur as he was during his candy and newspaper selling days back in his teens. On january thirtieth of falling year eighteen sixty nine. the telegraph newspaper publishes the following in its personal section quote. mr t. a. Edison has resigned his situation in the western union office boston massachusetts and we'll devote his time to bringing out his inventions close quote over the course of the next half decade alva- forms partnerships received several dozens of patents comes to employ over one hundred people in his various enterprises including men. Who will be with him for years to come like english immigrant charles bachelor. He's also devastated by the loss of his mother falls in love. With and mary's young mary sitwell becomes a father and as the still in his twenties entrepreneurial inventor displays gravitas beyond his years picking up a new nickname old man for all these accomplishments though often struggles to make influence cash cover. Costs needs someone to buy into his work in a big way. It's the night of january fourth eighteen. Seventy five under escort alva- passes through the servants' entrance to a mansion on fifth avenue in manhattan once in the house. The not so old old man is led down a staircase to a basement office. This is where he's meeting the thickly. Bearded railroad tycoon. Who as we know from episode seventy four manipulated national gold prices in eighteen sixty nine the robber baron jay gould. He and alice spoke recently about the quadruplets telegraph which incredibly can transmit four messages at once on one wire the widely new york mogul now wants to continue that discussion. Jay doesn't mince words as he asks. Salva how much do you want. The quadruplets telegraph. Make me an offer. I will give you thirty thousand dollars elvis floor. He'd been pushing his friend financier and former boss western union. President william orton for twenty five thousand. But their negotiations had yet to land thinking of what that money can do for his young family and business. The intrepid investor turned entrepreneur or entrepreneur turned investor depending on how you look at it answers. I'll sell any interest. I have for that money. The deal has been struck. Jay meets al at the office of sherman sterling following morning. Enhance the inventor. A check for thirty thousand dollars. William orton will later kick himself for trying to play hardball. Losing out on the quadruplets telegraph. Meanwhile album will use his newly-acquired small fortune to move on from his newark. Digs and setup what we might call america's first invention factory the inventor asks his aging construction savvy father to find property sufficiently far away from new york city to work in peace and quiet yet. Still close enough for prospective investors to visit Yes this is the origin of that unique two story building. We heard about the start of this episode. Thomas alva edison is moving to menlo park. Alba keeps his nose to the grindstone at menlo park but shifts his attention from advancing technology behind. Transmitting the written word via morse. Code to transmitting. The spoken-word we're talking acoustics harmonic. Perhaps even the human voice no surprise really. It's a natural shift in something others have been thinking about as well. It's at the same time that he lies your gray and scottish born alexander. Graham bell are racing against each other to invent a talking telegraph or telephone. The scotsman will receive the first. Us patent for in eighteen. Seventy six but the debate over who should be credited for inventing. The telephone will likely never end well. This new direction results in one of alvis most celebrated inventions the phonograph. Unlike the telephone which transmit sound this ingenious device can record sound waves by making indians on cylinder then allow you to play back alva- and the boys as he often calls his loyal assistance. Go mad with glee win sometime in eighteen seventy seven. The old man sings. Mary had a little lamb into the phonograph. And it works. They can play it back now. A real quick but fascinating side note. Alva- the boys and the world. Frankly all think this recording the adventurous citing nursery. Rhyme is the first playable recording of a human voice in history. And they'll be right until they aren't. Here's the thing. Roughly two decades ago. French inventor do Leeann scott the mountain view invented what he called a phone autograph which he intended to record speech not to play it but to write it like when you use your phones speech to text function little. Did the frenchman know. However that in the twenty first century science would make his eighteen sixty recording of the french folk song. Oakland that i- loon become audible but as cool is this over a century away. Technological reawakening of the french recording will be. it doesn't change the fact that its potential. Playability is unknown in the nineteenth century and further. That alva- is the one who's made voice recording and playback a practical usable technology. They'll establish the edison speaking phonograph company the following year in eighteen. Seventy eight alva- or al old man or sometimes even. Tom continues to work with his crew and promises to produce quote a minor invention every ten days and a big thing every six months or so close quote seriously a commitment to perpetual innovation. Who does that. But they keep performing and as journalists come out to bear witness new york sun reporter. William crawford gives the inventor yet another nickname the wizard of menlo park fair enough. I mean by this point as many inventions over the years from the electric pen to improvements to the telephone. Telegraph then creating this phonograph. And so much more all just seem magical but soon the eventual answer the sirens call of yet another developing technology. The electric light fingers and inventors on both sides of the atlantic have worked on it but for all their progress. No one has made a truly practical useful light with the rising and setting sun still largely governing what ours are value. Perhaps it's time for the entrepreneurial investor or the wizard to give it a go. Maybe thomas alva. Edison can be the one to conquer the night. Imagine waking up stretching saying good morning and blinds throughout your house automatically open. Sophie makes that reality with their motorized window. Coverings and outdoor awnings sophie's the perfect addition to any smart home system. You saw apt to set a schedule for. When you'd like your home's blinds to open or close get the darkness you need for movie night with a swipe of a finger better yet actually open and close the blinds on those high up windows. You can't reach because you went for the house with the vaulted ceilings. Enjoy this es all saving money on your electric and gas bills. 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This dynamo can light up to eight arc lamps at the same time and today university of pennsylvania professor george baker has led t- alva- edison and charles bachelor or batch. As the english immigrants boss calls him to williams place to check it out as the dynamos. Rotary spins it. Since power via wiring to sixteen carbon rods arranged in eight sets of to each set forms an arc with a small space between them and as the electric current jumps between the two rods. Yup we have light one generator. He lights just incredible wearing a straw hat and linen duster coat. Alba watches mesmerized to quota reporter present today the tobacco chewing wizard of menlo park sprawls over the desk with the simplicity of a child. He looks at the dynamo. The arc lights and large copper wire over and over while the other men talk among themselves although then starts making calculations true to his nature. Everything is about practicality. How much power does the generator. Half the lights. How much colon gas does it save each day each month each year. How could that save manufacturers more money impressive as it is alba quickly sees how impractical running one light per horsepower would be to the average person but the old man sure he can bridge that gap. He ever confident wizard of menlo. Park turns to william wallace and arranges to by dynamo. For one thousand dollars he also confidently tells. William i believe i can beat you in the search alba's quest for the electric light has begun. Album bachelor returned menlo park and gets work. Most americans rely on tallow candles whale oil and kerosene to light their way in the dark. You can find coal powered. Gas lights metropolitan hubs but even those few americans with this convenience certainly want something better. Gas lights burn inconsistently they blackened rooms and if you spend too much time around them the carbon dioxide the mit will leave you sick to stomach surely then album batch conclude they can find a better electric solution over the next few days. They move from arc lamps to considering incandescent lamps. You know the type of light with a filament. The drop forty five different filament based possibilities alvis mind is racing. He thinks he has something on september thirteenth less than a week. After visiting william wallace's shop the wizard telegraphs the conneticutt her. Hurry up the machine. I have struck. A big bonanza williamson's the dynamo to alva- that day meanwhile alvis confidence leaps from the pages of the new york sun as on september sixteenth. The newspaper prints and interview with alba on the electric light with the process. I have just discovered. I can produce a thousand. I ten thousand lights from one machine. Indeed the number may be said to be infinite when the brilliant see and cheapness of the lights are made known to the public which will be in a few weeks or just as soon as i can thoroughly protect the process. Elimination by gas will be discarded with fifteen or twenty of these dynamo electric machines. I can like the entire lower part of new york city with a five hundred horsepower. Engine to be clear just a week earlier. Alba was watching an eight horsepower. Engine power up to eight very unreliable lights now. He's promising thousands of lights in homes throughout lower manhattan possibly within a few weeks. Wow that's quite the claim. But when it comes from the mouth of t a edison. The world listens gas stocks. Plummet as alvis attorney. Grosvenor lowry sets a meeting. Between alva- steadily growing bank drexel morgan and company one of the firms moustachioed leaders john pierpont morgan offers defined alves research on the electric light in exchange for any present and future patents. Jp morgan or pierpont as his business associates call him believes it is impossible to overstate the value. If edison succeeds on october sixteenth. Drexel morgan and company will team up with alvis old friends at western union to form the edison electric light company between his stocks budget and other considerations alvis cut will be valued at nearly four hundred thousand dollars the equivalent of more than ten million to us in the twenty first century. This all sounds well and good perhaps a little too good so what exactly has alvis bitten off to shed some light on his challenge upon completely intended. Let's take a deeper dive on where the technology surrounding electric lights stands in the eighteen seventies. What is still needed to make them commercially. Viable in homes. First things first. When you hear people say thomas alva. Edison invented the lightbulb. That's not quite right. Even the ever confident if not flat out boastful alba wouldn't claim to be the sole inventor of the electric light. It's future generations like us. Cool sometimes mistakenly state alva- invented it full stop. I'm sure you've already put this together. But i'll say it anyway. The wizard of menlo park isn't inventing electric lighting. So much is improving it making it cheaper and reliable enough for commercial viability. So where's the science on us in the eighteen seventies well scientists or more accurately philosophers have been experimenting with electricity for centuries back in seventeen forty six. A lawyer with almost zero electrical know in hall city of leiden found out the hard way that a jar of water can holding electric charge and that the human body is ineffective conductor. This is how we got the leyden jar in the early seventeen. Fifty s a relatively young. Benjamin franklin came up with an experiment involving kina kite. The further convinced the world lightning any electricity are the same thing and as we approached eighteen hundred italian professors luigi galliani and allesandro volta whose names give us the words. Galvanize and volts developed a bitter feud over the source of the electric city moving through dissecting frogs legs that resulted in the latter developing the first basic battery. Alexandra stacked zinc and copper discs with wet cloth and has the zinc took electrons from the copper or silver. In some cases his heil of disks created any electric charge building off of alexandra volts discovery sir humphrey daisy made massive batteries at the newly established. Royal institution in london also enabled him to create the arc. Light in eighteen of nine is completely impractical given the battery power required to make his operate but would continue to improve the decades to come as others advanced humanities knowledge electricity. Quick aside humphries assistant and successor was the one and only michael faraday who scientific advancements. I'll remind you inspired a young. Thomas alva edison with the need to hustle. Anyhow keep our eyes on the prize the arc light improves as we know. From william walls display for alba in eighteen. Seventy eight in fact by seeing year our clamps are lighting a few public spaces including a full half mile. Stretch of lebanon lavar in paris france. So why aren't arc lamps. Just dominating the lighting game in the eighteen seventies. Well they have some serious problems. Arc lighting is less than reliable. It's spotty and when it does work you wish you had a dimmer as one reporter puts it for a few seconds. The light would be strong clear. Unwavering then it would flicker in darkness for an instant would fall. Suddenly the light would grow brighter. Sometimes increasing slowly brilliant at other times leaping at bound to the full measure of radiance so our clamps sort of work for warships maybe streetlights but. They definitely aren't practical for residential use. How do we turn the corner into domestic lighting. Then this would be a true game. Changer i this would require someone figuring out how to subdivide the light which is to say how to produce small lights that can be turned on and off individually. Yeah no one wants to either have every light in their house on at once or have an individual buzzing warring smoking and steaming generator for every single light. That's what it would take to have one light on and others off right now. Clearly then subdivision is an absolute necessity for indoor lighting but even if subdivision figured out no one wants to go blind from an overpowering arc lamp in their house wanna reliable soft light. That's where the incandescent might come in the idea behind an incandescent. Descend the electric current. Through a small string or filament. Inside a glass bulb this will give consistency instability to the light heated filament emits but the challenge is finding a material that can serve as a filament without burning up as the electrical resistance of the film it raises the temperature by a few thousand degrees fahrenheit and by eighteen seventy eight as many as twenty scientists have taken a crack at it over several decades nor have they all given up inventors dotting. The globe are still in the game. In short humanities knowledge of electricity and lighting have come a long way by the eighteen seventies but those two remaining challenges to indoor lighting subdividing light and finding a long lasting cheap film. It appear nearly insurmountable yet. Here comes thomas. Edison who having seen william walls arc light in dynamo is now stepping up to the plate with all the swagger in the world boasting that hill. Quickly light up all of manhattan. He's taken seriously because of his past accomplishments. But man with the brag like that alphabet produce. Something fast now. The evening of friday. October eleventh eighteen seventy eight less than a month since album edison claimed he would soon light up. All of lower manhattan reporter from the new york herald is just arriving at menlo park. Ready to bear witness to the old man's incandescent light newspaper man is shown into the lab. He notes a small metal stand on a table. The stan holds a glass globe. Which itself contains some kind of apparatus. It's about this time to alva- filing breaks away from his work and looks up the inventor gestures towards this object and simply says there it is unlike arc lamps this will mitts illo comfortable light the kinda of invites you to curl up with a good book. This is incredible after a few minutes. Alba offers to provide a comparison point. Now i will extinguish it and like the gas and you can see the difference. The newspaper man notes that the gaslight has far more yellow tint to it than alvez's incandescent the old man. Then let's his visitors. See both side by side yes. The incandescent is far better than the gas lamp. It's soft enough not to hurt the i yet. Closer to sunlight than the gas lamp. The impressed reporter asks wendy expect to have the invention completed. Mr addison turns off the incandescent and puts it away as he responds. Substance of. It is all right now but there are the usual little details that must be attended to before it goes to the public. Are the lights to all be of the same degree of brilliantly. All the same. Have you run across a series of difficulties in as-yet well no and that's what worries me by god. How the has done it before the in our reporter leaves. He also gets to lay his eyes. On alpha's latest generators just incredible with few variations. Alba will repeat the same visit with a few reporters. Speaking of the incandescent bulb. another reporter asks. How long will it. Last mr edison. The wizard response confidently forever. Almost only weeks have passed since alva- even began thinking about the electric light. It appears he's perfected the incandescent bulb. Here's the thing though. Pray you never play poker with all the edison because these demonstrations for the reporters are bluffs. Shams while it's true that his incandescent having excellent glow alba's lights currently have longevity of no more than two hours. Some only make it minutes. That's why he always turns it off so quickly and as he's asked over and over to present his invention publicly he knows. He can't maintain this charade. He starts to worry about the progress on both the improved light and generator indeed. The fact is that alva- hasn't just been off making any long lasting incandescent lightbulb. Given his drive for practicality he's really trying to invent a long lasting incandescent and the entire infrastructure needed to power a city from meters to generators and more wow paraphrase a younger version of the inventor. Sounds like he's going to have to hustle the work proceeds ernest right out the gate. Alba's running on little sleep or food. Powering through painful bout of neuralgia. He and his assistance. The boys like his english-born right hand. Man charles bachelor. The swiss machinist john cruzi and the new england or francis upton often have to work through the night because visiting admirers waste their time during the day in these first few months of work. Alva- pens filament hopes on platinum. But alas shortly after reaching the two thousand. Seven hundred degrees. Fahrenheit needed for the element to illuminate a burns he realizes he has to find something else in early eighteen. Seventy nine album. The boys are connecting a lot of dots at this point. Contrary to conventional incandescent wisdom the wizard decides he needs to find a higher resistance film. It see since alva- is thinking about lighting city. Not just a single bowl. He realizes that the light needs to be higher resistance that is able to run on. Low voltage the old man also sees that the more gas. He can remove from the bulb. The longer is incandescent last. That's where the mercury pump that we heard about. The start of this episode comes in and the newly hired teenager. Francis gel often takes on this painstaking task. Meanwhile alvin realizes he has to figure out how he's going to subdivide the light and power these bulbs in mass by march seventeen eighty-nine he and the boys have come up with a new dynamo which they call the long-legged marianne on account of its three foot. Tall iron pulse. Their crucial improvement is that rather than having equal internal and external resistance for maximum current. Their dynamo has a smaller internal resistance which increases its output or horsepower. Brilliant michael faraday would be proud but even as the menlo park team acquires a glass blower so talented. They almost overlook his yodeling. A german immigrant named ludvig bom. Too high resistance. Long-lasting filament remains elusive. Then one as album mindlessly roll some black lamp through his fingers basically the carbonized soot leftover after bringing gaslight he decides to try this carbonized substance as a filament. This new direction yields better results. Alvin the boys think they might be on to something and they are after countless field. Attempts be carbon is a threat of cotton as a filament. Even if we don't know the particulars whether it runs for forty plus hours or closer to fourteen and a half. We do know that on or around october. Twenty first eighteen seventy nine. This bulb works until alva- extinguishes it. The men of menlo park must be ecstatic to see their year's worth dedication. Work hopes sweating. Here's finally bearing fruit on november fourth. Just two weeks after this successful lamp. Alva- files to patent the edison electric lamp with a carbon film. The receive it as patent number two hundred twenty three thousand eight hundred ninety eight on january twenty seventh eighteen eighty yet even with the success alba and his team don't let up on their search for a longer lasting filament. ultimately they'll perform hundreds of experiments trying everything from various silks horse hair fishline vulcanized rubber cork grass fibers linen twine wrapping paper new zealand flax and even beard hair right off the chin of two of alvis employees. Soon find that carbonized cardboard missing even longer lasting filament kimber. For three hundred hours still not perfect for commercial use by alvin. The boys are really getting there. If only the public understood that. Some in the press say alvarez all talk and the wizards new york based competitor william sawyer is claiming alba has infringed on his patented work for the record british inventor. Joseph swan also figures out the incandescent light bulb at the same time but he makes no such accusations. So the wizard of menlo park decides. There's only one way to shut down the naysayers improve the viability of his incandescent. Light a public display in late eighteen. Seventy nine alba announced his light up ten houses in menlo park before the week is out. It's a bold move. If anything goes awry this backfire baffling but then again all visible there are no shortcuts to mastering one's craft gifted athlete still train hard. Great scientific minds relentlessly studied the world around us and talented leaders. Always strive to be better. Nasdaq's world reimagined is a podcast for becoming a better more effective leader tune in weekly for conversations with global leaders from the boardroom to the battlefield and beyond for lessons worth hearing listening today. Wherever you get your podcast. It's the night of new year's eve. Eighteen seventy nine train on the pennsylvania. Railroad is traveling south from the metropolis of new york city. Down to a small quaint village in new jersey passengers are crammed into every car yet to think. This isn't even the only train making the journey. Not even close. Extra trains have been added for tonight. Shirley visitors will grossly outnumbered the villages entire population but logistics. Be damned. how can resist the chance to see. Thomas alva edison's incandescent light bulbs. Illuminate menlo exiting the trains at the villages small depot. The people are greeted by site unlike anything anyone has ever experienced as they look up the gentle hill rising before them. Their view isn't cut off by the dark of night nor the overwhelmed by an overly bright arc lamp which few if any of them have likely ever seen instead. They see twenty lamp posts with soft glowing glass globes all along their path these orbs they just shine yet. They don't hurt your eyes if you look at them. It's like magic. Countless people roam the town taking in the several structures including sarah jordan's boardinghouse all illuminated by trinity. One building however is more interesting than the others the famous inventing laboratory with light streaming from the two story buildings twenty or so windows. Visitors are drawn to the lab like moths to the flame. That's fine all are welcome inside. In alba's assistance are more than busy taking questions and trying to keep their curious guests from accidentally breaking anything here. The people are greeted by still new wonders. One light is submerged in water headed still shines elsewhere. An assistant turns a switch back and forth as he does so the light one bulb flashes on extinguishes but the mere flick of his finger. How is this possible. Surely thomas alva. Edison must be a god among men. A modern premie theus. How else could his assistant give. And take light like this. And of course. The god of this new fire mr edison himself here. He's dressed in his usual casual. If not slopping inner happily explaining his electric light and taking questions from all who asked putting on such a public display was a huge risk but everything went perfectly well almost perfectly all the had a few assistance on the lookout for sabotage and as the display continued. The next day they katamon employed by the baltimore gas company purposely short-circuiting lights. He only managed to kill four lamps so in truth. The saboteur only added to the festivities with his drama over. All some three thousand people witnessed the lights at menlo park but for all success. Alvis doesn't win over his critics. The spike in the edison electric light company stock caused by the display. Menlo park ends as quickly as it began. Meanwhile other companies with other patented versions of the incandescent lamp are popping up william sawyer and alvin. Man's electro dynamic light company doesn't look like much of a threat but the united states electric lighting company which is using hiram maxim's bulb has a foothold in new york. Charles brushes arclights our direct competitor but his young companies starting to light public streets illuminates several blocks of broadway in new york city before the end of eighteen eighty alba has his own wins that same year. He finds bamboo is an even better film than cardboard and starts a light bulb company. But he's also butting heads with the townhall political machine that controls new york city so in february eighteen eighty one the wizard of menlo park realizes he has to make his presence felt more fully. He packed up and moved to manhattan. Establishing himself in a four double brownstone located at sixty five fifth avenue. Alva- quickly begins laying the groundwork for his electrical empire. And i mean that literally. The wizard is moving on his infrastructure. Plan to run buried insulated electric wires through lower manhattan in the very same way. Gas lines run underground into the currently gaslight homes and offices of dauphin and that isn't a batman reference. Gotham is one of new york. City's many nicknames menlo park veteran. John cruzi manages the mostly irish labourers carving their way through lower manhattan horse dung covered streets to lay wire within one square mile that includes the financial district and newspaper. Row there work has also overseen by inspectors. These guys never show up to inspect the only show of to collect their five dollar per day wages from alpha addison but accepting such quote unquote government oversight was crucial to obtaining approval from new. York's tammany hall politicians anyhow as irishman and others work through a harsh winter and deal with delayed deliveries of iron and copper also building a power station over at two fifty five to two fifty seven. Pearl street you know. The location was a dilapidated salaam. The cost was still horrendous. Manhattan real estate. My right well. Once completed this station will have six coal. Fueled dynamos called jumbos in a nod to pt barnum's elephant and those will produce electricity that will travel through all these newly buried wires to light up one square mile of lower manhattan. At least that's the theory by the latter part of eighteen. Eighty two alva- things it's ready. It's september fourth eighteen. Eighty two the wizard john. Cruzi and other. Edison employees are at drexel morgan and companies office building on the corner of broad and wall street. Our mind you that j pierpont. Morgan is a major investor in the edison electric light company hence alba in his top guys are here with the mighty banker for this momentous occasion. The opening of pearl street station. They're waiting for the magical our three pm. That's when the switches will be thrown. Any electricity will flow under the streets and into the office and surrounding buildings. Things grow quiet intense as the minutes wayne. Hundreds of thousands of dollars for years of work and not a little criticism from the public and media have gone into this venture. What if it doesn't work one of alvis men. Edward johnson makes a joke to lighten the mood. One hundred dollars. They don't go on. How the edison is as confidence ever taken. The exclaims then. Three o'clock arrives. John lee throws the main circuit breaker at pearl street. Alva- flips the switch in pierpont office. They're on demand excitedly. Yell they are indeed. The edison electric light company is now powering. Eight thousand one hundred seventeen bulbs in the three hundred sixty eight buildings located within. Its first district pearl street. Station is a success. The starting to gray thirty five year old old man. Thomas alva edison has done. It took far longer than his initial boast of a few weeks but his incandescent bulb not only lights up as those made by others have done. His is commercially viable practical. He truly has lit up a part of lower manhattan. The wizard tells the sun newspaper reporter. I have accomplished all. i promised. Maybe not entirely. Alba's lighting infrastructure is incredible and revolutionary. But it's still has limitations even with his powerful jumbo dynamos. His station can't run lights more than half a mile away. The direct current is just too weak beyond that distance. Edison electric light is tackling that issue in part by producing isolated systems by which the company lights a single house or building with its own individual. Dynamo it makes over three hundred of these for locations around the world by eighteen eighty three. But they don't always work out so great. An unspecified day in eighteen eighty. Three edward johnson is on his way to to nineteen madison avenue. This top exempt from the edison electric light company might not love making house calls but when the owner is none other than the up and coming king of banking and as soon electric light. company investor. J. pierpont morgan. Well he most certainly will. That's particularly the case. Since edward oversaw the recent rebuild slash upgrade a pierpont system. So if the powerful banker says he's having problems edwards on it the edison man heart sinks the moment. The door opens almost immediately. He's hit with what he calls quote. A strong smell of wet burned would and burnt carpet. Close quote edward rushes to the library. Floors torn up here. Pots wants beautiful. Desk is chart as is the rug in other ruined objects stacked in the once. Beautiful ornate room. Oh this is bad worse yet for edward. It was his idea to run wire under the floor in order to provide pierpont with desk line. And now the famously ill-tempered bankers study is ruined. Well time to face the music j pierpont. Morgan himself is walking toward the smoldering library standing in the doorway with newspaper. One hand the stout moustachioed banker. Here's at edward over his glasses. He utters one word well edwards figured out the problem metal plates under the desk. He's ready to launch into an explanation. When the steer financial titans wife francis appears behind her husband. She and edward make eye contact. She raises a finger. Tour lips then walks away. Unnoticed by pierpont edwards gets the message. Don't make excuses. Let her husband. I the two men stand in silence a moment longer. Finally the banker asks. Well what are you going to do about it. mr morgan. The trouble is not inherent in the thing. Itself is my own fault. And i will put it in good working order so we'll be perfectly safe. How long will it take to fix it. I will do right away all right. See that you do without question. Thomas alva edison the great inventor who improved the telegram the telephone and gave us. The phonograph has forever changed the world now by being the sole inventor of the electric light or even the incandescent light but by finding a way to make it deliverable to the public by merging it with good business sense and crucially than dreaming up. The infrastructure needed to make indoor electric lighting viable yet. It's clear that much remains to be learned about the safe inconsistent delivery of electricity's itself. Is it possible then. One of alvis employees. A gaunt moustachioed young man from the austrian empire has a better method of delivery and direct current. Next time will bear witness to a most vicious fight as alva- and is soon former employees. Nikola tesla go to war over direct and alternating current history. That doesn't stock created and hosted by me. Greg jackson episode researched and written by greg. 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