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#255: Drs. Leigner & Horowitz - Disulfuram, 2019 LymeMind Conference
"Calling only juice Jerry. Join US every Thursday on. I tuned for the latest episode of Lime Ninja Radio Except for last Thursday. which was Thanksgiving thanksgiving? We took it off. We didn't tell you in advance we're telling you retrospectively retroactively there. Rigo that Retro. Hello I'm your host McKay ripping and this is episode number. Two hundred fifty five with the Mount Cyanide. Lime Mind Conference audio. We're going to be bringing you the best of the conference over the next few weeks. I really enjoyed being out there in the fall with the line. Mine folks folks and we want to bring you that audio from some absolutely fantastic speakers. So if you haven't heard this yet you really going to enjoy it and this week. We're going to bring you Dr. Richard Horowitz and Dr Kenneth Leaner also commercial producer and the brains behind lemon into Radio Aurora. How low and in this this episode? You'RE GONNA learn three main things How dice Oh Frem is being used to treat lyme disease why Dr Richard Horowitz's combining Depp's APPs own antisocial friend and how these treatments have led to long-term lime from mission? Thanks for a big shoutout to all you longtime the Lime Ninjas. You're the reason we have more than half a million downloads Aurora. And I really appreciate you tuning in and we'd like to welcome all the new listeners out but they're welcome to lime Ninja radio. You're now officially a lime Ninja and as you know lime disease is an international problem problem. Each week we have listeners. Join you from all over the world this past week. We've had listeners tune in from New York New York to Seattle Washington. Thanks thanks. We're and while you're added. Want you tell us a little bit more about Dr Richard Horowitz and Dr Kenneth Leaner Dr Horowitz the bestselling author author of. Why can't I get better? Solving the mystery of Lyman. Chronic disease has presented at numerous scientific conferences on lyme disease and the role of co-infections infections and toxins in Lime Berylliosis. Dr Leak ner practices in Pauling New York and has been actively involved in diagnosed sys and and treatment of lyme disease and related disorders since nineteen eighty eight. His work has focused on the serious morbidity and occasional mortality that can come from chronic nick and neurological lyme disease yes. Why did you decide to start out? With Dr Horowitz and Dr Leak ner well it's the whole I sulfur him thingy I remember you coming excited about that from the conference before I was a bit of a doubter and now I'm excited doubter. So one ray now those of you been listening know that we really don't talk about antibiotics a lot on this show and it's not that we're anti anti antibiotics. It's just that it's the main form of treatment and there's lots of information out there and also there seems to be a point where there's diminishing returns with antibiotics right so for some people were starts getting more harm than good right just question. Your microbiome mostly can have other effects as well In the case with some of the flurry Quinlan's but we're really just just kinda normal. It just stops working in how. How much hammering do you want to do down there in your gut you need those little critters in your microbial? It's super important anyway. So there wasn't a whole lot lot new interesting. You know doctor to do his work with depth zone but when I heard him talk about it and heard the results it was interesting sting. But it wasn't I wasn't encouraged by it. So the die salt for him was actually. I mentioned at the first line mind conference who went to just one of the researchers says. Oh by the way we did this on of They have the computer modeling that they do with different interventions different drugs to see if the proteins matchup with drugs and they said it's funny enough. This dice offer him came up and it was funny. Because it's a drug that they use for alcoholics six to make you essentially allergic to alcohol. What happens is it stops a Alcohol dehydrogenation says I believe that is a breakdown alcohol in the body so essentially all you need is like to smell alcohol and you have the worst hangover you've ever had in life because your body can't clear it out and it's just toxin and poisonous poisonous but there is something strange about this offer of it seemed to match up with brilliant and so people began to experiment with it and what we have now is clinical trials. Actually unlike most new drugs right the these guys started. These doctors started with US offer because it's already improved drug they could use it in the clinical setting and have seen what's happened with it and now they're working backwards trying to figure out. Okay why is this. Is this working. And is it going to work for a lot of people that said that this is potentially a big breakthrough for the treatment of lyme disease or something special about this drug and it's not an antibiotic so it's not GonNa Wreck your microbial so this is worth taking a close. Look at especially. If you've been stuck now on the other thing we've never gonNA they get to their interview but there's lots going on now we won't we will promise we're GonNa get to the interview down in Cornell about an hour half from where we are there is a group that's doing clinical trials for new tests for Brescia. Now I don't know all the details like is it going to test. All the different versions is a brilliant. But what it does. Is it sensitive enough to test for proteins that the brilliant sheds even if it's buried inside hydro cartilage so yes to this is going to be able to test not only did you. It's going to bypass the whole antibody body test right now. Did you have a reaction to Borelli. Ah You know one hundred years ago and you still have the antibodies in your body right. 'cause that's the way the body work this is going to test. Is There Barilla Arabia in your system right now so this test works out and now we've got the rim. Were starting to put together the pieces of really effective treatment. We can tell. Have we been successful with the new testing. Now it doesn't address all the co-infections and all the complications that can come along with that star Star. It's a start and it's an exciting start. So that's why we're leading with the audio from these two talks. From Doctors Horowitz and League ner to talk about the off ramp. So that's why we're really excited about so. This really gets into the third step of treatment which is go attack the bugs right. There's the preparation phase. There's there's a go get the bug phase and then the recovery face. This really addresses strongly. The let's go in there and kill Rela phase of things alright so with out anymore meowing from the cats in the house. Here's Dr leaners presentation from the line To be here. And I wanNA thank the Stephen Alexandra. Cohen Foundation The ICON Mount Manzana School of Medicine. And Joel Dudley. And the folks from the Institute for Next Generation Healthcare for having me here late late October sort late of two thousand sixteen One of my patients came to me. And he's a gentleman who had well-documented chronic neurologic lime disease. You've been around the block a few times before he came to me had gotten a couple of courses verses of IV and he would get better and then he would relapse and under my care. We designed a regimen. That pretty much kept him well with what I call Industrial Strength Amoxicillin distilling and Mallory because he also had a zero sus and he's one of those patients that many of you probably like him they're always Scanning the horizon for the next best kind of treatment and he had been following the work of Kim Lewis for a while he probably knew about Kim. Lewis this maybe not quite as long as I had been aware of Kim's work and because of that he probably fared it out that there was this youtube video of Kim Lewis giving the keynote speaker address at the first annual Mount Sinai School of Medicine Lime in the era precision medicine back in October of sixteen. At the time. I wasn't even for some reason. I wasn't even aware of that symposium but he found this video on Youtube and this. There's a photograph of mine of Kim. At the one of the conferences in Philadelphia. Not Not one. But during that towards the end of the keynote speech Kim mentioned that in the test tube die software was more or less you know. Sort of the best. Most potent agent that had been identified bar none and he he referenced her. The Foundational Work of Jayakumar Roger Dos and Ravi Putin any any who published their study with high throughput testing in vitro in an identified identified by software is very very highly active. Is Dr Poston. Any is the lead author on that. Dr Roger Dos is going going to be speaking shortly and kitchen up familiar with it. This is the this drug ram which has a very very complex pharmacokinetics and so my patient saw this And he approached me. And he's very respectable patient very trustworthy. Were they any says to me. Hey Doc can I try this stuff so first of all on on I thought about it. Here's an FDA approved drug. It's got a long track record. Been in use for sixty seventy years for the treatment of alcoholism and and At that point you know how much I knew about. I saw from zero because I never had occasion to use it so I did a little bit of research on it and the arise myself a little bit about it and kind of figure out what the toxicity from it. What's the dosages? And but before I agreed to to let them use I want I want to ask. I want to pose this question. Like why would I grant his request. Why would I grant request? And I don't have time time to go into this in detail. And that's the other thing I've asked That's the folks from lime. Mind to post all of these slides. Because I'M NOT GONNA have time to go over them in detail so this is going to be. I should have said at the beginning. This is my mission impossible which I've chosen to accept to tell you all about. I saw the treatment of lyme. I'm these llosa's in less than fifteen minutes. But some of the things I say and a lot of the things I don't have time to say are on my slides and I I would refer you to look at those afterwards because I'm not going to be able to cover everything. So why would I consider granting his request so one of my famous patients. Vicki Logan was a patient who had a long story. I don't have time to go into it but she. It turned out that she was treated in a way that was supposed to cure lime disease and then it turns out later on. The lyme organism was grown from her cerebrospinal fluid fluid at the Centers for Disease Control and Fort Collins. Colorado this is the this is the abstract was submitted. The Fifth International Congress Search Online Berylliosis in in Arlington Virginia. And you'll notice that the CO authors include folks from CDC and the conclusion was a culture of this cerebrospinal fluid specimen of vs K.. Two ooh that's culture. Media yielded strain of Bieber grow Bergdorf Ri- culture confirmed treatment failures have been previous reported for three lime neuron else's cases in Europe. The present case apparently is the first of this type to be reported from the United States so this made the front page the Science Times in New York Times in one thousand nine in August of Nineteen ninety-three at Bedside Northern Westchester Hospital Center and this also resulted in a guest commentary in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology. I love this quotation from Sharko of the Patria. Disease is very old and nothing about it has changed it. Is We you change as we learned to recognize what was formerly imperceptible. And this is from that paper this is back in the early nineties. Chronic persisting infection not yielding to antibiotic treatment presents a dilemma for the patient physician and for insurance companies that are contractually obliged or should be to pay for medically necessary treatment. The solution is not the denial of the reality of patient illness or imposition of arbitrary restrictions on allowable rations of treatment but the design of more effective and less costly treatments that can keep patients well. Aside from the prevention of the illness in the first place methods achieving sure cure for those already already infected must be developed. Antibiotics may not be the answer. Rather application of new techniques of molecular biology to interfere irreversibly reversible with key metabolic or reproductive processes of the bacterium wherever it may be found in the body including intracellular sites may provide more effected effective and targeted therapies. So I was ready. I was ready for better treatments or other options. The Logan Organ case and several other cases were printed in my article on chronic lyme in the spectrum of antibiotic Responsive Chronic Minna going on supplemental entities. And by the way. This article is now available online. If you go to the article is published under. MVP antibiotics their supplementary links. Where you can access this article? in-depth and discusses the Logan KS. I don't have time to go winters. But she ended up developing a Pirker died after she was at the Mayo Clinic for implementation of a back of bumper. Didn't really work out. But while she was out there Ed rheumatologists there because she did have some markers of Autumn Unity decided that you might have lupus and put her on big slugs of steroids and then shipped back to me and she developed this huge floor perk fusion so this is her media Steinem and it's mostly fluid. The heart is right in the center. And and with that kind of condition you often have to create a what's called her cardio window to let allow the fluid to escape. So the person doesn't develop Tampa but anyway really this is her pericardium and this is a touch prep of her pericardium by Paul. WHO's at the NIH showing a beautiful berea compatible structure? This is after she'd gotten even more antibiotics so in other words proof that we're not curing the infection with are available antibiotics -biotics. I'm going to rush through this. This is another patient of mine. who had a grapefruit size rationalized by his wife brought them to the doctor? The doctor didn't have any idea what this was in the mid eighties. And and he tested negative for lyme disease so the wife kept telling people could he have live and said no because it's a long story. It's all reported in that article. I joined curves you to to see. He developed massive hydrocephalus and he got a floor. Admitting go in Salacious and Sarah Belli's and his tissues were sent to to Dagmar Marlin Scott Reference Laboratory Czech Republic who on electron microscopy identified structure that she thought we really and also with primers members from Ben left at Stony Brook shoot. Sorry she was able to detect the signal for what I'm getting at. These are my own patients studied in depth proving persistent infection despite very intensive antibiotic therapy. So that's why I was. I was open open to trying something different. That's sort of repeat the same thing that we need. Better method treatment. Okay so let me get back to the patient so so anyway. I agreed to let this patient be treated. And whenever he had gone off antimicrobial the agency deteriorated within a couple of weeks. I said you know if we're going to do this. I want you to stop all of your medications because otherwise I wouldn't know what I sell for him did or didn't do a prescribed described. I saw him for a minute. I picked number out of a hat just based on what the usual doses were for tweeting shooting alcoholism to pick the upper end of the standard dose. which is five five hundred milligrams a day and I said I want you to live at some distance so I said send me a note every couple of weeks? Let me know how you doing what you have labs every couple of weeks and he did all of that labs refined and then a couple months later leaves a message on my office. voicemail canceling follow appointment and declaring. I'm I'm cure. Any happened to mention in passing that he had required hospitalization but he didn't tell me why. So naturally I'm curious right so I call him back up and tells me that he's feeling well these off all types of medication and I said well what did you need hospitalization for. And then he mentioned to me that he had required psychiatric hospitalizations and I did a little bit more indepth reading about software. I'M IT turns out I sell from confess. neurotransmitters have been some reports of of neuropsychiatric illness. Even Frank Psychosis related to the drug so I called him back and I discussed it with them and I point to that to me and he says to me and I I don't think it was the dice all for him because he was under a lot of situational stress at the time but then he says to me but even if it was it was worth it and don't fail to offer that other patients just because of that he was like practically admonishing me over the telephone. Anyway he's now twenty twenty seven months out and nothing more than twenty seven months feeling. Well we've been in touch with on a regular basis so I mean it just kind of knocked my socks off. I mean I've been in this field for thirty years. We've never seen anything like this. After that experience a shared it with a couple of other patients and again I don't have time to go into. It's all outlined in in excruciating detail in my article but patient to patient three similar experience and these were very tough cases and I said after the third patient you know I got a report this experience. So that led me to reporting this case these cases and this experience with I saw friend trim. So so that's the article it's open access and again there are supplementals so that you can link to other information okay. So I don't have time to go into all this is going to be slides. Let me just say that that. The the optimal use the optimal regimens for the use of this drug are not completely defined and remain to be redefined. This agent in my experience is extremely potent and although I started the first three patients arbitrarily on a fairly hefty dose which by the way I wouldn't recommend for most people and nowadays we're starting at very very tiny doses like one hundred twenty five milligrams every third day only and slowly ratcheting batting up in that way. It's much more tolerable and what I've been finding some of the patients that I started on this drug. We're very very precarious condition. And we started them on tiny doses and finding that even one hundred twenty five milligrams every fourth day. One of my patients is a two hundred sixty pound gentlemen very very it was very very ill and these patients started making incredible progress. So I don't know whether that kind of low dose will enable able you to achieve a quote enduring remission or not but it's very therapeutic. There's lots of stuff they're going to have to skip over just because of time time. I've only got a couple of minutes left right so this is i. Don't want to call this. Guideline Heaven Forbid it's it's just my protocol. There was a time. When Khan's current therapy would describe the method of of prominent physicians in their field and that was quite fine before the year of guidelines? So let's disqualify the method that I'm using and is subject to change okay and and this is going to be available On the line. Mine site And there's some patients who have needed to be retreated and we're still figuring this out it's another thing to say we don't even really know at this point what the mechanisms are by which this drug has its effect. And it's a very complex drug and has a very complex pharmacokinetics. I'm going to skip to this. Unfortunately I have to confess. I do not know how to do. Xl So dawn my dot Don John. My Office nursing. I just put this little graph together and this is this is our people WanNa know this. I want to get this out. This is our summary of the first thirty thirty patients under self ram and probably eighty five percent of the patients endorsed deriving benefit from application of this treatment. And then when you see those fees in that column Toward the middle. Those are the patients who are enjoying what. I'm calling enduring remission. chion meaning they've been able to be off all treatment for at least six months remaining well a lot of the other patients. I haven't followed long enough to know that they're going. GotTa be enjoying that enduring remission but I also want to indicate that we've had some significant adverse reactions to this drug. So this is this is a tricky drug that really requires care titrate and the patients really needs to be followed carefully. Some of the patients have developed perform. Rathi which seems to be different than and you know. The Lime neuropathy Alo- It's been pointed out. It's sometimes difficult to distinguish perform rob from Lima. Anyway and we had a few patients have had some emotional upset. Nothing serious but you have to really follow the patients carefully and also when when important thing is to know when to quit with this agent I just want to. There's a lot of unanswered questions. Also what what's the mechanism. I just want to bring this up to you. Vicki Logan ended up passing away. And if you want to know the details of that you can find in my book or my forty two page letter to my then Congressman Congressman. Chris Gibson which explains what happened to her but her tissues have been studied and in fact Eva shopping just published with colleagues a detailed study of tissues and our tissues are rife with biofilm every cut of every tissue brain heart liver kidney and not just small amounts of biofilm large via from aggregates up to three hundred microns laced with Berea. If you know anything about bio film it has a structure is a metabolism actions. Going going in carbon dioxide is going out one of my speculations relations about one of the reasons why I suffer might be more effective than our standard antibiotics. One of the breakdown. Products of Ram is carbon carbon dioxide. So just remember. The periodic tables guys remember that software is directly below oxygen. So what I'm getting at is. Carbon Dioxide is a small molecule very fusible carbon dioxide is a very small molecule very fusible. It's known that carbon I saw fight has antibacterial properties so my pet theory. But I really don't know and it and it really deserves for. The study is one of the reasons that I sell from. Maybe effective is that that this breakdown product carbon dioxide may be able to diffuse widely including in biofilm. Anyway thank thank you off your attention I think is my time up. Thank you so much He mentions his slides a lot in in this talk. Yes there is that so what we're GonNa do is have a link and the show notes to the video and then you could see the slides in the video so just head on over to lyman. INTEGRATED DOT COM. Look for this episode number. Two hundred fifty five. Dr Leaner and Dr Horowitz and just click on that and then you'll see each. Scroll down a little bit and you'll see links to take to the youtube video if you WanNa see the slides a we thought that there's enough information on the audio that you really didn't need them but they can be helpful so if you WANNA do that go so he can get to the slides. You know it's really cool that Dr Leak Ner as a clinician is so excited by in that frame. You don't often see clinicians get that excited by a modality. It was an actually. That's one of the things that kind of convinced it's me over. You read information about it on the web and peoples reports but when you're in person and you can see the doctors excitement and feel it inherit. It does make a difference. These guys have been treating the lime disease. These guys these men. These physicians have been treating lime disease for a long time. The when they get excited about something it's worth paying some attention to without a doubt all right. That was Dr Leaner. And now let's hear how Dr Horowitz is using for him so just as Dr Leak nor had told you some of the good news about these drugs and biofilms going to give you also some very good news today. I'm going to show you. I did something backwards. Most researchers I go into a thousands of drug molecules to find what works look at it in culture and then do clinical studies. I did exactly the opposite. I'M GONNA show you three hundred patients that we published on Dobson combination. Therapy depth zone is persistent. Drug use normally from mycobacterium infections. And it came up with this idea based on my work at Mount Sinai actually over thirty years ago in the HIV population who had Mai mycobacterium Avium intracellular. Very these drugs. Basically are very interesting to us. I'm going to show you what combination therapy does in culture which is helping to confirm some of the work we've already published and this work you'll see is thanks to eva shopping and the work that we did at the University of new haven together. I have a couple of conflicts of interest and the first most important one would be that the views expressed arrest in this presentation. Definitely do not reflect the views of the tick-borne Disease Working Group. HHS or the United States. That I can tell you certainly is true so we know for early lime disease. Standard treatments are usually short. Courses of Amoxicillin Doxycycline Steph year. oxy Max until Sefton. They work in seventy to seventy five percent of the cases except we also know that they're symptomatic relapse and several studies have suggested that the reason that these people we'll go on and have relapses are due to these round body form sometimes called Assist Forms L. Forum Cell Wall deficient forms. Persist yourselves in biofilm forms and as is just as Ken was telling you for the last twenty five years or so we were using drugs that were not addressing. biofilms sisters and I can tell you that my experience in the last five to six yes years has been they have really been a game changer for most of us. So I'm going to show you some of the clinical studies that we reported on the successful use of an intracellular mycobacterium adapt zone. It's usually used for treating leprosy they also use it for a whole host of other diseases. It's also been out for fifty sixty years like from but the difference is is is that we used it in combination therapy with doxycycline refat an end zone as well as platinum which is known to Alkalis. The intracellular compartment hit the round embodied forms. And we use three biofilm agents with Stevia bio side and and Oregano oil in the studies. That I'm going to show you so the first study that we published in two thousand sixteen with Dr Phil Freeman are mycobacterium drugs. Effective for treatment resistant Lyme tick-borne co-infections and autoimmune disease. And this was a women lemon with the set syndrome. A very unusual autoimmune disease she had very big ulcers on her tongue in different parts for body. She had failed twenty years of drugs with a rheumatologist. She had osteoporosis. Osteoporosis from the steroids they put on and at one point we discovered she had lyme Dab soon is used for besets but she wasn't getting better and she had these Najah cajoles these granules on her hands that were called Winkelmann Gronya Lomas it turns out it was Bartonella. And when we gave Zim I'd which is a drug used used for treating TB and to shorten the course Lo and behold the Bartonella lesions went away with zone. The patient got better for the first time. In twenty years we then went on in two thousand sixteen published one hundred patients on DAB zone combination therapy and we showed that for eight major lime symptoms. It was statistically significant that all all of the symptoms of fatigue and pain and the rob of the and memory concentration problems per busiest. Symptoms sweats chills. The all got better. The only thing that didn't get better in in the first study of one hundred patients was headaches but then we published a second study. This is published early this year. Precision medicine. Retrospective Chart Review and data analysis. Allison of two hundred patients on DAB some combination therapy. This was part one of a part to study and you can see from figure one that all of the symptoms against the typically piggly got better fatigue muscle joint pain in this case headaches. Did get better neuropathy memory problems sweat so again. It hit the busiest similar to I I saw from and when we looked at sample tests for these two hundred patients we found that the peeve values were very strong they were less than point zero one so that zone combination nation therapy was definitely working in clinical practice but we had not done the prior studies in culture to see if we could confirm that it actually was killing Borelli. Ah We also looked in the second part of this study and precision medicine the role of the model now having seen over thirteen thousand patients. I can tell you that all the research we're doing online as great right but as I'll show you a lot of the problems we're finding that are keeping people sick are not just line. We're looking at which is chronic bartonella which is chronic Michael Plasma which is chronic chronic immune deficiency sleep disorders leaky gut microbiome deficiencies McConnell dysfunction pots disorder. Nama this up to sixteen reasons. We've found why people stay ill. And what's important. The most important parts of this study that the chronic Bartonella definitely are playing a role in keeping these people ill but we also found immune dysfunction that Burrell era was affecting the B. Cells of the body. Over twenty percent of these people had immunoglobulin deficiencies with low. I G A and over seventy percent with subclass deficiencies in subclass one in three which you need the facts at ties and kill the bacteria but we found a lot of inflammation we found multi oxen's oxen's we found heavy metals like mercury and lead. We've found food and environmental allergies. The point being that if you have inflammation in the body inflammation of Alpha Interleukin one aisle. Six Interferon Gamma whether that's coming from lime or BBDO or Bartonella or leaky gut or not falling asleep. You're going to get the same symptoms in line when we looked in this phase to study the partout at the MC's variables you can see that about seventy percent across the board. People had multiple overlapping sources of inflammation and downstream effects especially disorder nominee. Oh with pots. which was in about forty percent of the people and probably half of the women in wheelchairs? Who've come to me over the years we got them out of wheelchairs walking not by treating the line but by actually treating their onomic nervous system and raising their blood pressure when we looked at the co-infection status of these two hundred patients on DAB zone combination therapy you can see on the left hand side that busy and Bartonella? We're playing a very significant role role as well as a lot of mycoplasma clean in ammonia and viruses. That showed up so what came out of this study. Is that just as Dr Lee. showed you about persistence persistence. Fourteen point five percent of patients where positive in this study despite months and years of supposedly adequate antibiotic therapy this is prior fired at that zone. Combination therapy we have ongoing zero says. That was positive by our in fish. This is despite using classical therapies of metronews Zithromax or Clinton Mycenaean in Quinine Martinelli. Hensley was positive by fish. This is despite using multiple intracellular drugs to lary me at tighter would increase fourfold. Old One of these patients went to an infectious disease. Doctor who confirmed it was active jewelry. Mia We found active Bruce Celosias with positive nation. And we even found mycoplasma classmate species like Mycoplasma for Menteng and penetrations which are all again interest. You'll learn factions inside the cells with viruses like herpes virus six which reactivated activated with the immune suppression both by fourfold increases in tigers and PR positive. So what is the common denominator of. Why all of these people were sick? They didn't just have lime as an intracellular infection. They had multiple intracellular infections like guerrilla. Burt Nella Mycoplasma Clemencia. tillery MIA BRUCE ELLA or Libya and a plasma Ketziot infection. These are all intracellular infections. And we know that intracellular infections may be resistant to therapy. They're located in biofilms and they can persist despite standard therapy but again. You've got to keep in mind that the inflammation can also becoming from lack of sleep and toxins nutritional deficiencies. He's this same year doctor. Dr Yang from Hopkins published on stationary phase biofilm micro colonies causing more severe disease. And I would absolutely blue green. The human model from what we've seen in our patients when you give depths owner dissect from to these patients. You definitely see her timers like you've not seen before using other medications so we know from the biology umbrella that we may need to use the comprehensive treatment which affects the log phase actively growing forms. And that's what Dr League your showed. Would you would CEPHALOSPORIN penicillins. This goes back years or round body cystic forms. That's where we use PLA- Quinlan grapefruit seed extract and. I was the first doctor about twenty years ago. We did discover flagellate work for lime Dr Burleson than confirmed it. But then we've got the intracellular drugs like tetris cycling's MAC relied like ZIP through mason revamp Including loans and then the drugs that are affecting these stationary phase per sisters biofilm forums. Like zone appears in depth domeisen and I sulfur and keep in mind in the studies about to show you. We did use several BIOFILM agents but in the culture studies. I'm about to show you. We did not so we went ahead and and this is a study. We did with eva about two and a half years ago. It was opposed to presentation. You can see at the bottom where it shows DAB SOKSI revamping. These are the biofilm film forms that were in culture. And you can see that after just seventy two hours with dougherty. Revamping and zone the biofilm forms were quite small. In fact were much superior than other treatments we used but we really wanted to look in culture and find out what was the effective zone alone and then starting to combine these antibiotics one after another to to see how it affected the resistant morphological forms of really obrador fry. So again this was done by either shopping's group with Dr Free Myself at the University of new haven so we evaluated in this. Study the effectiveness of zone individually and in combination with Steph your oxygen but also intracellular antibiotics doxycycline revamp and and and we looked at the log. Phase actively growing spire cates. We looked at her sister cells and we looked at biofilm forms. We use low passage isolates Bieber door the beat thirty one strain. They were cultured in B. S. K.. Media supplemented six percent rabbit. Serum the stock cultures were maintained in sterile glass tubes incubated at thirty three degrees and by the way. This is standard things that John Hopkins and other researchers have used in the materials and methods and the spire cates logarithmic phase when they were actively growing receipted on ninety six well sterile tissue culture plates incubated for forty eight hours prior to giving them antimicrobial treatment and the stationary phase cultures. Were seated also so in ninety six well tissue culture plates for five days prior to treatment for the biofilms. These are in four well permanent chamber slides or in forty-eight forty-eight well sterile tissue cultures these were in five days to establish attached biofilm forms and the floating sparky cell's aggregates from the Super Natan removed to ensure only surface attach biofilms would be analyzed. We looked at doxycycline alone. All alone and in combination revamp in at fifty micro moles because that that was the dosage that had the best effect him Culture Sef your oxygen Zithromax Danson cellphone talks all so folkloric period daisy trimethyl Prim. All of these were prepared in. Standard Time Phosphate. Buffered solutions and sterilized using micro poor filters and we use peers in amid as a persistent drug. The testing was done individually on burglar door fry and also found effective in reducing the morphological forms. They were tested in combination. Art Art controls doxycycline at ten and fifty micro moles and as a negative control we used PBS which was deal you in for the anti microbial compounds. So so when we look at how to work alone and in combination we use some of the similar studies done at John Hopkins in another researchers. We looked at cyber green essays for cell growth and viability. We looked at recovery culture analysis. We looked at biofilm analysis by Crystal Violet. I say we looked at DI. Methyl Methylene Blue Glucose Amino glycemic or gag essays and live dead fluorescent microscopy which is used by backlight. So here's Table One and you can see the effects of individual and combination antibiotics now the LOB doc face these are your active growing beryllium you can see the doxycycline was eighteen percent survival. It worked quite. Well that's DOXA works when people getting him rashes. But you'll notice the closest to actively growing Brillian the log phase was down below was dock. See Revamp Zone that was nineteen percent. Now go back to why. I think this is important early Liane when people get rashes when we looked however at the stationary phase survival. And this is again when we're looking at all these drugs separately fifty four percent and for data and it was the most highly effective drug for the stationary phase per sisters and Dobson Dachshund was a little bit better at fifty one percent table. Two you can see the effect of different antibiotic treatments on the Biofilm Mass Using Crystal Violet. You'll notice again. That zone alone was fifty eight percent and it was the most highly effective of the drugs used as a single drug. If you move on and you look to the right you'll see the antibiotics in double combination. The most effective one was doxycycline zone at sixty five percent. We then looked at triple combinations. In fact the ones we use that we published in these three hundred patients on DAB zone. And you'll notice the most effective one in culture especially looking at biofilm. Essays was DABSI. Adapt Zone Doxycycline Fanton at fifty two percent and then we tried adding on as soon as a fourth intracellular drug. It's still work but not quite as effective as the triple combination. It was fifty eight percent table three. We I looked at these different antibiotic treatments on the biofilms using gag content with the DI methyl methylene blue. And again you can see. Dab Zone was the most effective effective for reducing the content in the biofilms but again when we combined DAB zone with doxycycline rampant and in this case Zithromax in a fourth intracellular killer drug that was the most effective at lowering. Gag inside the biofilms looking at this from the point of view of Biofilm Gag. Studies figure one shows you live dead microscopic images this seventy two hours. You can see that again at the lower part of the slides the zone boxy revamp and looks like it's a working quite well but you can see this a little bit better in the live dead staining image. This is a fourteen day recovery culture following treatment with these different agents and you can see. There's percentages ages next to all of these different combinations. You'll notice at the bottom. That doc see. Rampant zone was forty-one percent. It was one of the most highly effective combinations. The only one that was better in this particular case was adding Zithromax. It was a three percent improvement going from forty one percent to thirty eight percent when we looked at the biofilm cultures. Again you can see that that zone. Doxycycline and revamping was again knocking out these biofilm cultures so the results basically Siklie helped. CONFIRM A we've been seeing in clinical practice for these three hundred patients. We published in the last five years the prescription drug APP zone alone or in various combinations and the ones that work work the best was doxycycline. Zone doxycycline revamping and depth zone and doxycycline revamp and through Meyson with zone. Those are the those. What was the combinations that had the most significant effect on all morphological forms of beeper door FRY? And even reduce the Protective Glucose Click Khasaminova black can layer of bieber door FRY biofilm. So the conclusion aren't vitro finding suggests that the microbial agents like DAB zone persistent drugs in combination with with other intracellular antibiotics effective against the resistant morphological forms of Bieber. Frank Culture and it supports previously published findings on the clinical efficacy of adapts own combination. Therapy the major finding was DAB zone as a single drug and in combination with Docs and Docs Fanton as well. As doc see revamp in Zithromax Max had the most significant effect in reducing the stationary phase cells and the surface bound. BIOFILM BE DOOR FRY. Among all the different antibiotics that we normally use use in our clinical practice for the more adapts own alone and in combination was effective in reducing the mucus. polysaccharide layer of the biofilms and these findings might explain spleen at least in part the clinical efficacy that we've been publishing on these three hundred individuals in our recent zone combination trials so we know that a lot of line patients have significant cognitive deficits in the studies that we published in the precision medicine study published this year in two thousand nineteen the depths own combination group got better with fatigue pain neuropathy headaches and cognitive defects but the successive capstone was. It's good penetration as antibacterial effects by stopping Are A in protein production it works against a broad range of pathogens. So again you saw Barton Nella Mycoplasma. We need combination therapy against all of these different co-infections this its efficacy against the different forms of Borelli A- round body stationary phase in Biofilm and the advantages APPs and also has an anti inflammatory effect by converting Milo peroxidase into its inactive product. So the conclusion is the drug combination published in our previous study suggests that depth zone DOUGHERTY DAB zone dot oxy revamping and Dachshund Doc- rampant. And is that are the most effective in reducing all morphological forms of brilliant. And here's the remaining questions so I had a patient in my practice accidentally take a double dose of Zone. I think most of you know this story by now. We put one hundred ten people on this including my wife. WHO's here in the audience and Olivia? WHO's here and we now have people just as Dr League no was telling you my wife is now two years out? She suffered with lyme for over thirty years she had almost every point on the MCI's model that was active. She has no more symptoms for two years Olivia's now about a year and a half out. I just saw a patient my practice last week. who was sick for about fifteen years? He has no symptoms since doing the high dose tap zone so it is working but who is it working for well. We did an analysis these hundred and ten patients and seventy out of one hundred tender staying in remission but the forty better not staying in remission every one of them had active an active Nila by fish. Now we have at this point one hundred and fifty people die soul from someone die. Sulfur Malone some undock see rampant. I sulfur him so I could compare it to what I just showed. Would you with zone. And someone Docs fanton DAB zone and die salt from to lower the dose to keep down side effects and maybe not have to use double dose steps. I can tell you now that some of the Bartonella patients that have had difficulty treating for the last ten years some of them. Doc See rampant and zits remission with dice. Oh from some are having miraculous results. We are definitely seeing the fact that the biofilms with hitting lime and hitting the co-infections. It's working but these patients are just coming off. I self from at this point so I don't know whether they're going to stay in long term remission but the good news for the line communities you can have hope the persistent drug regimens and the biofilms thanks just to all of the researchers from John Hopkins and Stanford and Eva Shops Group. And everyone is work done. This has helped clinicians like myself in doctoral leaving her finally figured out how to help the line community. So thank you so much to beary line to the Research Foundation for all of your assistants. Uh You know. We talked about Dr Leaner getting excited. But I was excited. When Dr Horowitz talking about being able to effectively treat these persistent forms of lyme disease that that got me excited right? It doesn't seem to matter. What form lime is taking at the time thus all from gets absorbed by line? And that's that's amazing. It just amazing. So let's let's hope this pans out to be as much as we hope it will be and that the side effects don't really become much of an issue that if you can avoid alcohol and avoid Tim those side effects that that you won't have some of those strange reactions that that we heard reported there though it's it's a bit of a challenge perhaps but maybe one one worth taking a look at. Oh and by the way. This section today is all about the middle phase phase. Two of her lime journey. The reboot phase obviously is first phase and this is the result base to really. And maybe this is the breakthrough been waiting for to really go after the borelli specifically wherever it is in the body because seems seems like Barilla's really hungry for his offer 'em and thinks it's some sort of treat just sucks it up like you would pumpkin pie after Thanksgiving anyway. Anyway if you'd have to take a look at our roadmap in graphical form go ahead over DELIMA JOE RADIO DOT COM click on the extras. It's free and and it gives you an idea about where you are in your journey what you need to be thinking about and also a reminder always have a plan B. so they sulfur him is GonNa be your plan and you got all your eggs in one basket. Then be thinking about plan B in whether it's going to be a herbal protocol protocol or another antibiotic protocol. Don't put all your emotional eggs in one basket ever even something exciting like this like dice offer. If you have any feedback back suggestions. Yes yes really anything. Just sending email to feedback at London's radio DOT COM. We're getting quite wait. A bit of suggestions for guests. Keep them coming. Since you've been here to the end will tell you a little bit. We're going to go through the audio from the lie mind conference and then we'll have a couple more interviews that we have lined up. I'll be doing over the next week or so. We'll be rolling those out so that's going to take us into the new New Year and maybe even too early spring. And then we're GONNA be moving this podcast over into talking more about the genetics of lyme I'm displeased and of health and nutrition and nutritional genomics and that's really become an interest of mine and particularly nitric oxide The things which it was on last episode right. Yeah two weeks ago when the last episode came up really talked about peroxy nitrite and the horrible things that can go wrong with just the implant Matori Cascade that once it gets rolling. Can't shut down so we're going to start to focus on that a little bit more. And you know we have plenty you back episodes but we may organize in a way where you can go back and look on specific things. But we're moving more to the nutritional side of things or other podcasts. Coming out about lyme disease. There's a lot more information out there so we're going to. Instead of being a general podcast begin to focus on an area that that I'm interested in. I think it'd be really helpful particularly on the recovery phase of lyme disease. Maybe some of the preparation side of things. But it's when you're stuck the people are really stuck in just can't get get a foothold To begin to dig deep into is their genetic issue going on that can't be addressed here. So that's that's what we're going to be doing pretty as for twenty twenty. Yes so if you like what we're doing here at London's radio hit the subscribe button that way. 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I finally we decided to see if there were any podcast with any sort of discussion or information online so I could formulate a lime treatment protocol as cheaply as I could on my own without sacrificing the effectiveness and I found lime Ninja. This podcast. His opened my eyes as to why she felt worse on treatment her ex and his opened so many new avenues to go down. I finally feel like I'm on the right path to curing or at least managing my wife's lyme disease and other co-infections I it just might stand a chance to get my wife better on my current budget. It's a must if you or a loved. One is struggling with lyme. Thank you for the service in. Thank you doc. It's awesome reviews like that. Obviously go a long way in bolstering our spirit. So thank you especially this time of year when things can be so rupp when things are going well thanks for leaving that review and again if you have a few minutes please leave us one. 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The Young Turks - December 10, 2020
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Today is that a group of one hundred six republican house members that's more than half of the gop caucus in the chamber signed an amicus brief filed thursday today in support of a lawsuit backed by president trump that seeks to overturn the election. Now this is in regard to the lawsuit that was originally filed by the attorney. General of texas Ken paxton who again is facing some pretty serious Securities fraud charges and is being investigated for that. And maybe he's hoping that this is a way of getting a pardon from donald trump but after he had filed that that lawsuit directly with the supreme asking that the court essentially turn the results specifically in four battleground states. That biden one seventeen other attorneys general joined that lawsuit and now we're learning that one hundred six house. republicans Have filed a brief saying that. They are supportive of that lawsuit. The brief was led by representative. Mike johnson from Louisiana and in an email to his colleagues he apparently claimed that he was personally recruited by donald trump in order to gather a group of republican lawmakers to file this brief and it appears that there was a form of political intimidation involved as well Because as we know if someone doesn't sign onto what. Donald trump demands he will attack them viciously on social media which will lead to all sorts of pro trump supporters Going after these particular individuals who have been targeted by trump which shows you how unbelievably checklists and pathetic. These republican lawmakers are one hundred six republican lawmakers. That's fifty four percent of house republicans. Yeah so Couple of layers to this first of all Texas is a toxic stew of these government. Officials remember lieutenant governor. Dan patrick is the one that said was a big deal of people get corona buyers. Well hey ten of governor. Patrick mission accomplished. They have it. Were breaking record every single day over three thousand people dead again yesterday and the day before and the day before So you wanted everybody in a special two elderly virus. They did so. Congratulations republican politicians in texas. Now accent comes in and goes. Hey why don't we destroy democracy while we're at it so in this lawsuit we're asking the georgia pennsylvania michigan those states no longer have sovereignty sates rights that we were complaining about when we wanted to enslave people and ripped her family's apartment break their bodies and own them. We loved states rights then now when our dictator wannabe has not been elected. Now we hate states rights. So we wanna take georgia's states rights away has state's rights away and we want to say that texas you'd unilaterally decide who's the president despite. How other states voted. I mean it's laughable. It's preposterous. It's the most undemocratic most un-american you've ever seen so of course the majority of the republican party is here for it because that's who they are they're traders and the right wing has always hated america. Oh they don't want us to own slaves. Let's declare war in america just so we can own other people and oppress there for the rest of time. Now these guys realize oh. We can't ever win another national election. Trump lost popular vote by three million lives semi but lost by seven million. This time like. Oh that's hopeless. We're never gonna win in a democracy well when minority when minority ethnic groups were in the minority and they couldn't win it was great. We crush them. We watch them right now when they're in the majority we're the minority waiting minority to rule. No deal it's a democracy. They never ever believed in democracy. They never believed in america. I told you. I told you. I told you so. Those hundred six traders to america the most un-american people i have ever seen now sign up to this Ridiculous lawsuits say. Let's toss out one. We don't care who won. We want dictatorship. We want tyranny. We demand tyranny now in this case. They're the minority so they're saying before the majority being radical was awesome now. We want the minority tyrannical and rule over you even though we lost because we hate america so there's a fantastic political scholar who teaches kuni and he specifically talks about. How and this is a theory. That i was controversial at first but it makes a lot of sense. Donald trump is a president as a republican. President is actually an incredibly weak president. Mostly because the lack of popular support he has. I mean when you think about the popular vote in two thousand sixteen and now the popular vote in twenty twenty. It's abundantly clear that the majority of american voters do not want donald trump and so as a result what republicans rely on increasingly in order to win knowing that they don't have popular support is a essentially screwing around with the institutions right screwing around with the courts Engaging in gerrymandering doing what they can to essentially a fix the system to their advantage against the will of the people. And that's what we're seeing right now in this particular case One other thing. I do want to mention is that there are some congressional republicans who are certainly against You know this lawsuit. And they're against the brief that was led by representative mike johnson from louisiana. I want to name some of them so just to republican house members both are outgoing. Have gone on the record opposing the lawsuit with representative. Paul mitchell for michigan calling it a loyalty test and representative denver riggleman from virginia telling forbes quote. I really respect some of these people but this stuff is preposterous. That list is being built on disinformation. Also i should add that a handful of prominent republicans including former senators John danforth and lowell wicker from connecticut and former new jersey governor christine todd. Whitman filed their own brief appearance using the case. While ohio's republican attorney general foul debrief arguing federal courts lack authority to order legislatures to appoint electors without disregard without regard to the results. Yeah i don't want you to give you a misleading impression. That's a tiny percentage of the republican party and most of it is a dead portion of the republican party so christine todd. Whitman was actually a moderate republican. Back in the day There there are no moderate republicans. Riggleman is leaving. I think and and Every republican that is modern is leaving because their base hates them. Their voters loathe america. I don't want a democracy. You supported democracy win a primary you. That's the most ironic thing in the world but they genuinely believe that so and danforth is a good guy. He's conservative republican but actually believes in america but he hasn't been in power and decades and decades so no the active republican party. Now we should rename it. The confederate party is that's who they are and so it's the new confederacy risen again and now they're talking about secession. Donald trump trump. This morning tweeted about quoting some deranged person on l. a. n. n. said That things are going to quote. Escalate dramatically is a very dangerous moment in our history and a coup is taking place in front of our eyes and the public can't take this anymore and trump tweeted that like. Yeah it's actually not even a retweet. He took the quote and tweeted himself. And he's like a very dangerous moment. everybody remember. Let's take action right now. So he's a clear. This user tweeted that. Oh you know by lost by hundreds of thousands of illegal votes no schmuck you lost by seven million bucks asylum. And he said he's illegitimate president. You lost by three million votes. Lives time you weren't legitimate president by your own definition you are. You've never been legitimate. But of course he. Logic need not apply for the confederate party so any republican that still supports this a slow motion political coup. I'll say thousand times again are un-american you hate our country and and you should all be voted out of office but you probably know all i know votes demarcus grab guns and make it a dictatorship of the right wing. That's what you've always wanted. So just admitted admitted you hate america just admitted and luckily the only reason why i'm not even more furious is finally some portions of the mainstream media woken up and they're like yeah wait a minute. This does look a bit of a coup attempt. It might not succeed but it's definitely a to idem and and this is very radical and and clearly undemocratic. Yeah thank you your little late to the party. But i really do appreciate it because you need clarity on this issue. And last thing is what part of losing fifty. Six times is unclear. You went to court. You said you had the crack in and you had all the evidence that you had not saying nothing. You don't have any evidence. No losing fifty six times. Well right okay if you say so. That's why i call them lunatics all right. Well let's move onto corona virus news lots of developments when it comes to the pandemic so Big news today. The fda's vaccine advisory panel has voted in favor of recommending that the fda approved pfizer's coronavirus vaccine for emergency use now. The fda is expected to approve the vaccine this weekend possibly on saturday and within twenty four hours of doing so as many as six point four million doses will be sent across the country and so that is positive news especially considering the fact that when you look at recent statistics in regard to this virus. You'll see that the united states is in a pretty dire situation. In fact this week there are ten times more covid nineteen cases than a month ago and we found out that just yesterday on december ninth. Three thousand fifty four people died of covid marking another record of deaths in the united states. This is the highest number of deaths in a single day in the united states. Yeah so it's great news that this is approved It appears the the horses of the government that we need to rely on of were actual accuracy and science are not listening to the madman mad king. Donald trump so I don't think is a reason to worry about this vaccine. I think the number one concern we have now is not getting it quickly enough and and they're not being enough of the vaccine to go around so of course now the the powerful are grabbing. It showed you a story earlier about how. The bankers now have found a way to move up to number two priority list insanity The republicans are now bragging about how they're getting it before anyone else. The republican politicians. They're laughing at their own voters But are we need more. This vaccine as quickly as possible to all americans as we told you earlier in the week donald trump of course bungled it. The one company didn't have deal with was pfizer. Who got the vaccine. I and in his record-breaking incompetence is usual bungled it and the crowd went nuts and republican voters alike. More was going to die we love donald trump grow buyers is no big deal as feared now. Three hundred and nine eleven happens every single day now because of the negligent manslaughter. The donald trump committed a in corona virus and yet. His supporters are like heights. Yeah a record number of deaths every single day. That's that's called winning. Okay if you say so lunatics well. Speaking of donald trump's behavior he has decided to target healthcare workers who've been working tirelessly to save lives in fact in reno nevada. One hospital is so overwhelmed with coronavirus patients. They had to convert a parking garage into an intensive care unit to treat coronavirus patients and so Cnn did a piece highlighting and detailing. Just what these healthcare workers have been going through They spoke to jacob kikkoman one of the doctors at the renown health hospital. And it's important to hear his story and what he's been going through and more importantly how donald trump has decided to target him on social media which has led to trolls harassing him and healthcare workers at this hospital. Take a look my worse. This panter was actually the day coasted thanking my teammates. I had just finished a seven day. Stretch and the intensive care unit. There had been patient after patient after patia who was not surviving. This illness the tweet. He sent with a simple selfie showing off their new covid. Nineteen wayne that wayne set up in the hospital parking garage. That fact seemed to set president trump off. Who re tweeted a tweet calling it. Fake and scam. That unleash the twitter trolls. I was sad in devastated. Am i was angry. Devastated and angry because all of the hard work being done by his colleagues inside this parking garage hospital every single day these are healthcare workers who have been on the front lines since the beginning of this pandemic They have not gotten a break We have seen complete disregard for other people's lives in general but I mean the disregard for these healthcare workers is incredible especially coming from donald trump someone who has only exacerbated this pandemic in the united states as opposed to taking the proper leadership role in ensuring that we lose as few americans as possible. And i wanna share some more data from the cova tracking project Hopefully you know my. My home doesn't get rated for doing that. But the seven day average for covid nineteen deaths are at an all time high as deaths are rising Throughout the country the previous single day record was may seventh with two thousand seven hundred sixty nine deaths. I mean yesterday marked the equivalent of a nine eleven and republicans don't care lawmakers do not care they do not care. Unemployment is going back up because Many cities and states throughout the country or forced to do lockdowns again People are desperate economically frustrated. People are watching their family members and their friends die around them and get no help but it doesn't matter Donald trump has decided that he's going to focus all of his energy on overturning election that he lost fair and square and then when he has little bit of free time he's going to go ahead and healthcare workers who are doing far more to help this country than he ever has. I can't do it anymore. I can't muster up any sympathy for trump voters. You maniacs unleashed all of this so when you're a maniacal terror Tyrant leader puts out a tweet. Saying attack doctor. You guys all attacking doctor trying to save lives and a see the facts about a nine eleven every day from krona virus. And you still pretend stubby deal now. My new favorite quote was from the south dakota nurse who said on their deathbed. It was fake. Trump told me it was fake on. Am i supposed to feel sympathy. I i do i. But at this moment of rage when they're spreading it to other people who didn't ask for it who didn't sign up to follow the idiot dictator. We didn't sign up or but he's the president. Now here's the anything on corona darts has anything on a right now. Always tweeting knows about his me. Me me me me rigged election rigged this rig that li- li- like hey idiot be president. Do something he's done absolutely nothing is he doesn't care about you. You're a pond to him. You're a sucker and a loser to him. He looks at us. A guy for me idiots and you do and you celebrate on your deathbed okay. So what do you want me to have for you know. I have sympathy for every other american. That s the live next. You all right. Let's take a break when we come back. We'll have more news for you. 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It was comment said Mirror my rage Shadow hawk Rice and these are a member comments. Republicans now the definition affect was cowardly and trump must have something on now. They're craven this. Is they want power. They think they're gonna lose. Power of trump's doesn't mean tweet about them they're going to get married and they hate you way more than than they care about your live so they think i i'm going to hold onto my power and if it means you die than process. I don't care power power power. They're all smcgaels. Every one of those republican bastards are smcgaels Corporate democrats on that much better by the way as margarita. Salt writes in Remember that lady who said in a town hall never before. I think i'd ever want a dictator but if we're gonna have one. I wanted to be trump. We should have seen it then. She was a precursor. The depths of trump cults resolve. But i gotta tell you. I did see it and i did tell you about it and everybody yelled at me like no no nicer trump voters there no. They don't want dictatorship. There's out they do. They do want tater ship. i was right anyway. gerald says you nailed it the new confederate party disgusting fascist racist sickos. You're one hundred percent right. That's what they are and these republican politicians now now politicians that signed on these hundred and six congressman their literal fascist. It's not on the road to fascism is on the way to fascism. When you say. I want to end democracy and impose a dictator that is fascism that is fascism. And if you're hurt by that don't support fascist there. I solve it for you. Okay dragon song. Yes right said okay. Now we're on a lighter note. I love to it and its community. This is from super chat. Thank you using that. You've helped me survive. Twenty twenty without losing all my optimism faith in humanity. Does that make you heroes. I think so. That's super sweet of you. I know you're partly joking but can get a happy birthday for my favorite heroes. Yes absolutely happy birthday. Thank you for at least injecting. A tiny bit of optimism in my rage filled day. And speaking of which happy hannukah. Everybody's the first night of hannukah So unlike republicans we care about everybody by the way the next four years i can i. I'm not even gonna do. I don't help save the world and make a difference. Donate your chain around up your so. We could save his planet you do that. A ty t. dot com slash trees. Okay to it dot com slash trees. Save the planet. We'll be right back. Back on the young turks jenkin manner with you. Anna congressional. Investigators have been informed that the cdc director robert redfield had instructed staff to delete an email that was sent by a trump political appointees seeking to manipulate the cdc's coronavirus data so the senior member of the agency Who spoke to this subcommittee within the house. Essentially argued that the data that was being targeted was specifically aimed at watering down the cdc's morbidity and mortality weekly report to match. The i guess lower numbers that were being spread by donald trump's disinformation campaign in regard to this pandemic and so just to give you context on what this e mail was about. It was sent by paul alexander. Who was the scientific advisor to health and human services. Spokesperson michael caputo. Needless to say both of them are out of government right now. Michael caputo had a mental breakdown so he and alexander no longer with the department of health and human services however this is what we know from the e mail in alexander's august eighth email. He insisted on an immediate stop to all. Cdc w. r. reports due to the incompleteness of reporting nothing to go out. Unless i read and agree with the findings how the cdc wrote it and tweak it to ensure it is fair and balanced and complete alexander added in a breach of scientific firewall that cdc has maintained for decades so alexander also attempted to prevent dr anthony foul chief from ever speaking about the potential ramifications of this pandemic on children's health Then the woman who was essentially in charge of editing and putting out this data ended up getting questioned by this house panel her name is charlotte kent And again a senior official with the cdc. She basically said that while she was out on vacation someone who was filling in for her was notified by redfield to delete that email. I was instructed to delete the email. She told the house. Kent was again on vacation when this happened. So when she came back and looked for the email in question Something interesting happened. She says i went to look for it. After i had been told to delete it and it was already gone can also told investigators that the cdc in an earlier incident delayed the publication of july report on krono virus spread at a georgia summer camp following a requested delay by dr redfield and hhs the report was held for two days and instead released about fifteen minutes after redfield conducted testimony glide burns panel and the panel that was investigating. This is led by representative clyburn. Who released a statement. In regard to this testimony saying federal employees have affirmative obligations to preserve documents and destruction of federal records is potentially illegal and then he also warned in the letter that federal law also provides for up to three years of imprisonment for willful destruction of federal records and so he claims that he has asked for documents from the cdc back in september september fourteenth specifically and. They have not responded to his request. He's threatening to subpoena officials and documents. If they don't respond soon all right. I wanna be clear about a couple of things here about who the good guys bad guys are so this one is a little bit complicated. So the head of the cdc's redfield in redfield is in my opinion A little bit fundamentalist in in his religious beliefs and that has affected Some of his actions early on but now here comes a huge by actually turned around and his doctor signed and scientific side seem so one out in the middle of this pandemic has he probably saw the endless deaths and effected him and and even though he started out as a you know very much trump guy by the end he was defying trump. And say no. We must do science. And so this all alexander email that got deleted that that's a very clear that was political interference saying don't do science we don't care how many people die. We just care about our dear leader. Donald trump and how he looks. I mean build with like big bold letters in highlighted in yellow and blue and red. I mean just like the ravings of lunatics as always right so when redfield says delete the email it's possible he saying in to cover up for the trump administration because they're being asked to do something potentially illegal but i think it's more likely that redfield saying billy dan crap and don't listen to paul alexander that moron that doesn't know a single thing about science so i you know redfield technically violate the law and deleting the email but i think context and intent matters here and i'm not positive about the intent based on all the context that i have read about redfield i would say by the end. He was one of the good guys and he was trying to get rid of an email by one of the worst guys. I would get rid of redfield to be honest with you because you should never ever allow the cdc to be politicized in any single and anyway. So why did he delay that reports. That can't was testifying about the report that he delayed for two days after. The white house demanded that he do that. Why why did you do that. That's not politicized. let's not politicize at all. We we have a record number of people dying on a daily basis. Now record number of americans died in one day yesterday. We don't even know what the total numbers are going to be today. Okay we don't have time to mess around with anyone who's even entertaining bending to the will of a lunatic like donald trump especially the director of the cdc. I agree with you. I don't think it's even a hard question at all. So if i was joe biden i would immediately replace everyone in healthcare with folks who act only care about healthcare and not politics and not religion or not. You know greek myths or nor smith's it. I don't care. I if you want to on your own time. It's a free country. Bless your hearts or okay but this job is for a doctor and a scientist so now. I'm just saying i don't think redfield was one of the worst at all. I'm not saying that. I wouldn't replace him. I'd replace people that were chosen based on politics with people who are chosen based on expertise. This and i. I wouldn't want doing trump did in not even one percent of course and say. Oh that's okay. I found a really good democratic operative to put it the. Cdc hell no. I wouldn't want that. Know what i want is a doctor a scientist. We've got over three thousand people dying every single day. I you're right ana we can't go one percent let alone. Twenty five or fifty percent of the way towards appeasing people like donald trump and politicians. Just do the goddamn science. Well someone who's been pretty devastatingly. Ignorant about what average americans have been dealing with viruses rudy. Giuliani i mean is ignorant about most things. So let's talk about his coronavirus. You know hospitalization what happened afterwards. So who was recently. Hospitalized with corona virus is now out of the hospital where he will grace us with his. You know annoying statements which all the news companies will get baited into covering and All want to blow my brains out. Fantastic i'm excited about that. But this story Really does highlight how there are two different classes in regard to who gets appropriate coronavirus treatment. And who does not and so. He admitted that he was treated by trump's doctor. He had access to the same cocktail of experimental drugs. That most people don't have access to and he certainly bragged about it especially as three thousand fifty. Four americans died in a single day on december nine of corona virus. So here he is on w. Abc bragging about the access. He got to trump's doctors. I've gotten i've gotten remdesivir. And a and decca dem out. It's the cocktail. It's it's the same protocol that the president got is that right. Yes right exactly the same. His doctor sent me here. Okay so when i didn't want to really go to the hospital and he said don't be stupid. We can get it over with and three days if we send you send we send you to the hospital where we're rhyming. It's wonderful news that you're feeling well we have to say the minute. I took it the cocktail yesterday. I felt one hundred percent better very quickly. Wow so you bragged about how. It's working very quickly. But i just want to emphasize that most people are not going to have access to donald trump's in fact at this point americans would be lucky if they get access to a hospital bed considering how overwhelmed hospitals throughout the country more than a third of americans live in areas where hospitals are running critically short of intensive care beds federal data show in el paso for instance hospitals reported that just thirteen out of four hundred intensive care beds. Were not occupied last week. In fargo north dakota there were just three in albuquerque. There were zero one in ten americans across a large swath of the midwest south and southwest lives in an area where intensive care beds are either completely full or fewer than five percent of beds are available. There are other issues regarding access which we'll talk about in just a minute but jank you want to jump in so new mexico's about the authorized doctors a making decisions on who treatment and who doesn't because they're Almost completely out of beds now And that means you can't go in intensive care unit that means donald trump is created a situation where we're going to have death panels so that's where we are today and every republican the country is obsessed with trying to steal an election instead of fixing corona virus. And and getting help to these folks to be fair though they rushed. Help the rudy giuliani and chris christie and ben carson to every elite that is part of donald trump's group of elitist friends. So hey maga- did they rostrum to you or your dad or your mom or your grandmother. No no they let them die but rudy sick. Oh we gotta run treatment. You know for the cocktail combination that he has taken. That is very rare so to give you a sense of how hard it is to get in state like main. it's a smaller state. But the the regeneron cocktail only ninety eight of there's only ninety eight available once they're out. That's it okay. That doesn't mean there isn't any treatment but that's the one rooney's bragging about how effective it is right now in utah by the way a very red state okay They're trying to determine who's the most likely to benefit from the drug so they're going to give them the drugs and others that they determined cannot be helped enough well off you go. And in colorado. They're doing a lottery system because unless you're connected to the elites like rudy giuliani. There's a decent chance to let you die. So let's hear a rudy. Giuliani is even aware of that Because he continues to basically pretend as downplay the severity of this pandemic so does he know about the differences in access to healthcare access that americans are dealing with. Let's watch my biggest concern though rudy. Is the cocktail the hi. I'm trevor noah of the daily show with trevor noah which is also a podcast. Did you miss last night's episode catch up with the daily show with. Trevor noah is addition. It's everything you love about the daily show except for the dimples but we are working on technology to make an audio version of those two. You can listen to the podcast. Monday to friday mornings everywhere. Costs are available. Daily show with. Trevor noah is addition subscribe. Now you've been given is from what i understand and you can correct me if i'm wrong. It's a it's not something that the normal american is going to be able to get because it's quite expensive. Is that a concern for you. I know that. I mean they give it here at this awful it's a it's a At a certain hospitals can get it. I know there's a northern westchester hospital. Westchester county house. there a couple of hospitals. They went over with me five methods of treatment that they have and that's one of the measures that treatments that they have so I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure about that. Of course it's not sure because isn't he doesn't need to know he doesn't need to be concerned. With what average. Americans go through on a regular basis. He doesn't need to be concerned about how this disproportionately impacts average americans as opposed to people who either have positions of power or who have access to people in positions of power and so it is incredibly difficult to get this cocktail of drugs. It is incredibly expensive to get adequate corona virus treatment. It is incredibly hard to find. Abed get treatment in a hospital right now. Reno nevada one of the hospitals reno. Nevada vert their parking garage a dirty dusty parking garage and turned into an intensive care unit. That's what they had to do because they're so overwhelmed with coronavirus patients or rudy. Giuliani doesn't care. It never even like he never even entertains the idea of understanding how this pandemic has destroyed. The lives of countless americans has killed. Hundreds of thousands of americans has destroyed small businesses. And does he doesn't care about that. He pretends like he cares about the small businesses. But you look at where the funding went from the small business loans and they just proportionately went to giant corporations that are in no way small businesses. He doesn't care. We don't have representation like there's all this talk about. Oh we need representation of this gender or this race or the sexual orientation which is all fine and dandy but there's no representation for the poor in government and i'm not just talking about republicans. I'm talking about democrats as well. You think that things would be like significantly different in terms of the differences in health care under a biden administration biden and his friends are going to get top of the line treatment. Is he going to do what it takes to improve healthcare. Nothing will fundamentally change. According to what. He told his donors so in terms of rudy's clueless nece he says in that interview that trump's personal doctorate well actually government. Dr accurately Is the one that made him go to the hospital as you heard and take these Very rare cocktails And first of all. I don't know why someone works for the government is helping rudy. Giuliani rudy is trump's personal. Attorney and does not work in the government at all so. That's a misuse of our taxpayer funds. I don't give a damn about rudy. Giuliani and i don't want a single cent of mind. Being used on rudy giuliani. Second of all. He's such an elitist. He doesn't care about poor or middle class or other races. He doesn't care about any of that. He showed when he was mayor of new york. Let alone lately. But he doesn't even realize that magazine people and trump's voters and supporters can't get the stuff either you not much rudy giuliani's charging guys and when i say you guys. I'm specifically talking about to the mega-guys audience because you're the ones paying for it by donating to donald. Trump is charging twenty thousand dollars a day or is legal services so of course he doesn't care whether what it costs i don't know that he's even paying it. And and even if you are super rich and now there's other articles talking about how the super do everything they can get their hands on on these cocktail of drugs because they they're so rare because even if you're rich you might not be able to get it because they're not available to most people rudy's has so what trump's doctor working for you. Don't you have the whole government that your you know your footsteps. And can't you guys all afforded. I don't not making twenty thousand dollars a day off of your stupid ass. So i could afford it no problem. I didn't even think about it. You guys keep sending money idiots all right. We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back we will talk about surprise. Medical billing and how a democrat for the second time has defeated a bill. That would end it. We'll be right back. I uh so. I'm gonna read a nice note before. Get back into the anger emma. Jane Wrote this on super chen. Thanks for using that. Because it helps to show anna. I hope this isn't weird. But i've been watching artistes middle school. I'm twenty five now and watching. You be polish intelligent really inspired teenage me to be the same thank you. That's about the nicest thing i've ever heard. So thank you. We all appreciate it and sired race island. I'm not in a good mood today. So i don't please. 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You make this show possible for these last eighteen nineteen years so all right and and it looked there's good news coming up for progressives to there's tons and tons of hope we just gotta get through these super dark times this virus this toxic toxic virus named trump. We just gotta scrape him off off of this country and be done with them and move on. we're almost there all right and then we'll fight the establishment anyway. Anna what's next speaking the speaking of the establishment. This is what we're talking about house ways and means committee chair ritchie neal. A democrat has defeated yet another attempt to end surprise medical billing which seems to be incredibly important as people are getting sick from the pandemic turns out that nancy pelosi of all people wanted to Bacon a provision regarding medical billing and essentially regulating at ending it within the stimulus bill so as the intercept reports. Wendell premiss Senior policy advisor to speaker. Nancy pelosi and the most powerful staff on the hill had plans to send a proposal on surprise medical billing to senate majority leader mitch mcconnell by monday night however that effort had been rebuffed. Oh that's interesting how. how did it get rebuffed. We should find out well In terms of which committees would deal with this type of provisions As the intercept reports the issue fell under the jurisdiction of the energy and commerce committee whose chair representative frank. Blown of new jersey hammered out a tough reform bill on the bipartisan issue with his republican counterparts. But neil decided to do some tricky maneuvering in order to ensure that his committee the house ways and means committee could essentially have their own recommendations their own legislation on what to do about surprise medical billing in as you can imagine since he's funded by a private equity firms who love absolutely love. This type of predatory behavior His approach was incredibly watered down and ineffective so neil however invented jurisdiction for the ways and means committee the panel has jurisdiction over taxation and he linked the issue to government revenue in a rollout roundabout way and put forward his own proposal. That was much more favorable to the private equity industry. And so some of you might be wondering. Well why do private equity Firms want surprise billing. How does it benefit them. Well they have essentially set things up in a way where they would profit off of surprise. Medical billing private equity firms have purchased providers and arrange service to maximize the number of out of pocket. dr The number of times out of pocket doctor can treat a patient. Those bills are then exponentially higher landing at the feet of both patients in the form of copays deductibles and insurance companies. Who paid the remainder and for those of you. Who are wondering okay. What exactly is surprised medical billing. It's when you do everything right. Right you've got your health insurance that you're overpaying for you got the health insurance that is not covering most of the things that you needed to cover up. But you're going to go to in network doctor you're going to get in-network care and then what they do without telling you without informing you or asking you for your consent. They'll have one healthcare professional. Who's out of network. Be part of the treatment or part of the care. And then you end up paying the cost for that out of network cared that you didn't even know about ritchie neil. A democratic representative the chair of the house ways and means committee wants to protect that kind of predatory behavior. So let's break this a little further. I q lacy with an excellent intercept so great job reporting by her and the national bundle primis in the beginning there. Pelosi staffers really important because he's deeply connected to the healthcare industry is not at all a good guy. He's one of the biggest opponents of medicare for all he makes republicans look like choirboys Compared to how hostile he is so medicare for all and even he is saying. I mean we got to end. Surprise billing don't we. That's a booby trap. Built by the richest people in the country for average americans. That bankrupt stem steals their house from them as steals everything they own. It doesn't a way that there's nothing they can do about it. I mean most time. I mean we got gotta end that. At least we even corporate democrats have to end that. Rachinel's says no. I take more money from blackstone a private equity group that anyone a anybody does these top donor and he says so since they're my top donor surprise. I'm backing them. And now my voters and so if you go to the hospital and you did everything right and like anna said they the part that enrage me the most is they do this on purpose. They try to get as many out of network doctors as possible to do the rounds the hospital so they can go out. Well you didn't know but he was at a network when you're really really sick. You should have asked if he was out of network. Which by the way even if you did. He's already there. I don't even know that you can do anything about it. Sorry he did the rounds and and so now. You owe us an ungodly amount of money. I remember when i was going door-to-door campaigning. One woman said she was like sixty eight and she said. Look the thing that i'm most concerned about. If i get sick i'm sorry. She wasn't sixty-eight. She was under sixty five. And she said. I'm trying to get to medicare she said because the one thing i'm worried about is if i get sick before yet to medicare i lose. This house is no chance. I could keep it right. And then what am i going to do. I'm going to be homeless answer and so corporate democrats like ago. Yeah but ying contribute to my campaign and private equity groups did so even though i got the all the other corporate tax never got in some republicans agree and we could pass this bill. No my donor say no. And then the national media and corporate democratic zombies have the nerve to tell us. Oh you're doing a purity test. Richie kneels democrat. So you should bow your head and accept that he's taking these legalize bribes and and bankrupting people on behalf of his donors. You should accept that you should accept celebrated. No i don't richie kneels one of the most corrupt people in congress. And i can't wait to defeat them. We're going to go back and finish the job. Alex morris ran against he lost because ritchie. Neil helped orchestrate a smear a homophobic smear attack against him last time around and until the intercept again stepped in and corrected the record. All of the mainstream media went along with despair. Next time. we're gonna comfort routine. I'm going to finish the job. I don't accept his corporate cult. Democrats to in their alternative back said. Oh yeah. i'm progressive. I hate to american. And i work on behalf of private equity. No deal no deal at all. We will primary you and i swear to god will defeat that guy all right well we have limited time left so i'll just quickly mention. The jobless claims are disastrous. Actually we don't we have another hour bad. Let's talk about jobless claims. Actually you know what. Why don't we take a break right. Now that's okay and then we'll come back and do jobless claims got to give you an update on what's happening with the economy and then later in the show We are going to discuss some of biden's statements to civil rights leaders regarding progressives and his unwillingness to use executive power to circumvent republicans in the senate. We'll be right back.
A Refocused Life With DogBerry, Rediscovering Whats Important
"Burn ladies billing girls. An early known as the cast. The voices cincy graft feeling very self conscious about the way. I talk now. So there's another podcast gonna shift gears the guys march. I have this show. That's not part of march persons. They deal and they had mitch from fret board on like a month ago and i'm just now getting caught up and then spent a big chunk of the show talking about my vocal tics and the way i talk and try to be so now i can't get that out of my would have to listen to that one episode. The day that i'm recording. It has been a really long time since we have sat down and done this year. I'm going to guess it was twenty eight eighteen probably so maybe twenty nine hundred. Maybe maybe early one thousand nine. There has been a whole hell of a lot. That's happened since i'm to say the absolute least there So let me run through a time line here of kind of dog berry telling you my are welcome back to the show. Thank you who doesn't know kind of who you guys are. You started out. So i i met you in twenty fourteen all right. You guys had just got the space over there. On cincinnati dayton road. You had a little one barrel brew house little nanno brewery. Little tiny taproom still people talk about Sometimes in like this Nostalgic love sometimes pure hatred of the parking lot as funny story about that before we get any further ahead Actually had to have some x. Rays done today at my x ray techs so my t shirts. Oh i haven't. I haven't been to dog varies since they moved. Because i don't drive when i'm drinking and they were right around the corner from my house. Yeah i used to love that space. I hated that. There's there is something that people and you know when you guys when you moved over here. It was a really really difficult It's a difficult transition is a big thing of what people love about a space like this or like like the first base was is that it's a neighborhood spot it's mall. It feels small. Feels like you when you said at the bar. Everybody starts talking to each other phones. You guys did managed here too. That's a really hard thing to especially with a massive are like this. The room is is big but it still feels small. Us job. I think a lot of that's the approach rights not not trying to spread everything out not making a big party type seen great conversational tape. So the first location opened twenty fifteen january very early two thousand fifteen Twenty i'm looking at my notes. I'm cheating twenty seventeen when you opened up here Twenty eighteen was a another big kind of year for you. You started putting your beer in cans started playing the destroy game a little bit quickly kind of backed off on that kind of came back to focus on the tapper patio goes in twenty nineteen. Thank god and then. We plowed through with Some lemonade canning with their nineteen. But brought it brought it back to what was more of a manageable pace for our size right than twenty twenty so it seems like and i think that's where we're going to kind of start us all but yeah it seems like ever since you landed here. Every year has been some kind of big thing that you are trying to figure out trying to manage or trying to trying to navigate either accomplished or navigate or figure it out right dodges dodge bullets like this past year to you. Think you're ever going to get a chance to just relax a little bit and enjoy what this place is. And let's let it having a year where people can breathe a little bit oddly. That's sort of what. I'm hoping this year is going to be I don't know that i wouldn't say i've i've relaxed by expectations by enemy for what we're doing. Pardon me whatever. What i've come to grips with is that i can comfortably do what i set out to do. In the beginning right we don't have to chase distribution like we did. I'm not. I'm not mad that we did. What did you set out to do in the beginning. How i've got. I've got two quotes here. That i keep in my notes about the that kind of remind me of of says. Make the beer that that we love and share it with those that want it so the full quote that i have is and this is a direct quote from that first conversation we had in two thousand fourteen. We don't want to take over the world or be the biggest. Wanna make the beer that we love and share it with those love it The second one. I've got is we want to be married to our families than to our business You know and there's been some changes along along the line of what this race is comprised of over these years And i've done a decent job of accomplishing that It meant bringing in a lot lot. More people in the business sorta grew. It's a little bigger than i wanted. Obviously smaller not cool enough or not fun enough for some people's opinions. But really i personally and as you know and then through the business we we've been through a lot this past year not just as pasture but especially this past year where i'm okay with really just making this thing. What what. I what. I really wanted to be which is a really nice easy place to hang out. Drink some really great beers Expectations of of certain demographics. We don't want to disappoint anybody. It's not not my goal. But you know i'll be damned if i continue to to to chase the money or the likes or the approval of you know what what somebody thinks i should be doing. I've gotten to a point where somebody you know. I've heard if i had a nickel for every time. I heard you know what you need to do. And i've gotten to the point where i just respond to that with is. Is that what you did at your bary. Okay no the the idea. Is i think you touched on clearly in your open. There's a it feels small The the room is generously large. We have plenty of space especially in this kobe. h but you're right people sit down at this bar and they start having conversations and that's what i want. Let's talk about beer. Let's talk about sports. Talk about life kind of keep politics out of the way because that's it just gets ugly. It's it's easier and to me the the second part of that of you know. Just not not having this business kind of dominate your life. Not have it be this thing that you are. You're you're leading this steer who you are trying trying to kind of stay centered on on on on why it exists and Not that it's not important because it's important very much. I've got a lot of money title. So not even the money side of just the idea of of what this is like. It's not that there aren't people who don't absolutely love talking about people who are in the ownership. I that love what that places but it's steers itself at this point you you you can't you can't necessarily you can to some extent control where it goes but it's going to go where it's going to go right to have a place where there's an there's an engine behind it that that's pushing in that direction. I mean that's they're they're just so big that it you're right it is what it is but it's even like some of the other places around town that don't don't necessarily seem big like ryan geist are still that same way. You can't stop where they're going. They are driving. The business is driving who you are right point. That's not what this is ever supposed to be. It's no for good or bad. Maybe that makes more stress on you but sometimes sometimes it's nice. You know like you said the to keep the family involved. Got one kid in college. Five hours away west virginia. I've got another one next year. She's staying close to home And then i'll have a freshman in high school. So you know my days of being dad at home or coming to an end and i wanna make sure that i'm i'm there i don't wanna i don't wanna miss much if any of this last chapter and i did a great job with Those who know me know. I'm played baseball at a certain level and we were very busy and i did a lot of coaching and i never missed one of his baseball games. Maybe at times it didn't help help the business necessarily but it didn't it didn't hurt the business And we were able to be there for and with our kids and everything that they do in that they're doing you know as far as teenagers want us around so that that's important and we really have been able to accomplish that and that that feels good And it's going to stay that way. When i think that that does bleed into what this is the feeling of this place and the people who come here and the people who understand what this place is that it's very evident and everything about this. Dat is kind of that ideal that drives what dog berry is now wish more people were those people. That's you know we're we're tucked away in an office park and it's close to a lot of stuff but there are still a lot of people that have no idea where you can walk to top golf. I'm not wearing five seconds. That's it will take me a lot longer. If you cut through some backyards take a couple of business. Businesses parking lots. I could ride a moped pretty quickly. That is it. It's less than less than a half mile from here You know we're right up a sunday chris. Bill to seventy five. We've got you know. All of westchester is right here in liberty township sharonville So we are coming right smack in the middle of a lot of stuff. But you're right where we're not on that that main drag lesson learned however for the manufacturing size we have and to stay in westchester. We needed to be manufacturing zone. You know what westchester is what. It is as far as the neighborhood. Goes right very specific and very picky sony loss. The do you think that you know. Obviously it isn't happening and can't happen but if you if this when you guys were opening this if it was over there in the middle of all of the chaos right next to top golf in the streets of west right in there do you would have changed what this felt like and it. I think you're right. I think. I think it could've pushed this too quickly in one direction and kind of pushed it into that realm where it kind of maybe would have got out of control to the point where it couldn't it couldn't be it. Is i agree. That's that's easy coming from me. Who doesn't have any money right so you know and then to y- Sometimes folks it gets lost on a you know where we're not a company that has investors there. There's there's two of us essentially to families that have money in it And we we were never going to afford rent anywhere over there in that top. Golf complex So yeah A couple of factors that went into where we are. But you're right. It would have changed the dynamic we would have been catering to a younger crowd Would have had a lot of seltzer on. Yeah how stubborn. I mean i would have been cussed up for not for not meeting that you know the again going back to kind of what. This place is It's always been kinda heavy Because that's that's what you like. But within that i i'm always fascinated when you can walk in here and maybe there's five ip on tap that they're all very different ip which is so hard to do and we walk into someplace and they're all the same and so and you know when you walk in and when you when you look at that that tap lineup you do get like this immediate sense of who you are as a beer drinker also as you know what this place is and you know i. You know seltzer and things like that. I look at that that doesn't fit here. it doesn't make sense. I mean it makes sense. Why it's there but Tell you the only reason we did it in the first place which we do not have one on now. So don't it was. It was fantastic by the way we are. We are gonna do another one Going forward you know as we get into the warmer months. I will make fun of you. Just that's just the kind of you know we. We get a lot of corporate business with With gp and and things like that and a lot of a certain portion of that group particular type of group. They're not beer drinkers right. We do not have Something else we tend to get. Nick donnas we did not have a food license. So we're not gonna have wine and we're not gonna have liquor so something for those non beer drinkers that we did And it will help. It will help india in the spring and summer Did brew last week. Brewed a very nice Spring wheat got very fruity hot profile to it. And i'll do some different infusions with that. So that'll cover the also one of your favorite beer styles. It's it's hard to believe what did is and i'm sure we'll get into that at some point but i mean that's that's let's get into that talk about your twenty twenty. I mean This was the bar that i was sitting at when they shut everything down. We're high We had been out and about that day and house. Just go grab one beer a dog berry and we'll just hang out for a little bit and i heard that there was going to be a press conference at night. Oh crap. I wasn't here at the time called by weiss. Yeah and i said honey. I was going to be home at you. Know four or whatever it was i said depending on what the wine says. You'll know it to be i was. I was at home when i saw the press conference and Soon as we get through the press conference that was here twelve minutes later. We you know it was That was very I opening kind of heartbreaking day because we were still we were still pretty heavy ish on employees Still we still were doing distribution kegs and outside sales and You know. I had to lay off people that depended on on this place right You know it's been well documented conversations. That i don't take a paycheck. It's not. I mean it's not why i'm here That that sort of thing but this business supports families You know young young adults and and a couple of close to middle aged adults that have that have children and it was hard to you know. Have to look those guys in the eyes and say hey look i think the best thing i can do for you with way. The money was at that point with. You're going to get immediate unemployment assistance and you're going to get the six hundred dollars a week from the federal government that that next morning. A sa- guys. We'll just meet here tomorrow. We'll discuss it. My wife and i came down and tears were shed and you know i guys right now effective immediately. Just have to let you go. And it's you know headed explained to them because it was for their own good and and they they got one of those guys is still are tapper manager. The other one currently works for fret board We could not bring him back. We'll get in. There are other reasons why we're not doing outside distribution anymore but Max is very happy he was here the other night a great big hug you know and it's you know i got a big thanks from him for helping them get started in. This industry is something he really loves. And he's just thrilled to be part of it. And you know there's never there was never any animosity with any of it. Well we're hot on the heels of hearing about Platform and how. They treated some of their employees and the complete opposite end of what a company can do to people during all of this. It's not that it's not difficult to lay people off in in times like that but it really well for me holzer. you like. That's the right thing to do in that situation. It took some balls though because it was it was less than eighteen hours. After that press conference nobody knew how long this was going to say. that's true. yeah you know it. It was one of those things where okay if this is a few weeks or a handful of months. Who knows here. We are over a year later. Oh shit know it was obviously was the right thing to do and i think the way i thought through it. It was the right thing to do because they could get immediate assistance. And if that wasn't the case then we would have looked at things different And try to you know. We're gonna do whatever it takes for these guys to make sure that they are. Okay you know. And i still check in. I mean i. I checked in with them every every week. At least if not every other day early on just making sure everybody was ok and then once we were able to get going again in any aspects with the carry out you know. I couldn't afford to pay. It was just a matter of trying to stay alive. And i know my landlord doesn't listen to this. But thank you. Thank you without without the help of of richard theaters And we not. We wouldn't be here. His grace through the whole lack of revenue thing was beautiful but Beyond that one of the reasons this company is still here is because we through this business of made some incredible friends that helped me out so incredibly much you during during the shutdown you set a tent up in the parking lot right in the front there. And you sat out there during the day and sold crawlers. Or sixteen ounce crouch call- sixteen cam to go forward packs and people could just drive through. Pick up their beer and go home. Yeah we set up an online ordering deal which you can still do a dog bear. Bruin dot com war tapper. Drink it all these folks that are here today. Do that please. You know especially now. The weather is nice. There's a patio get back out. They get out of your house. It's i get that. There are people that are still nervous about being around other people here. It's maybe there's more people than you're comfortable with craft beer to go and space outside to. Yeah i mean. I just want people to get back out into the world. I you know that that that that period of time was difficult for. I think a lot of people for a lot of different reasons. One of the biggest struggles for me was just missing out on that that culture of sitting in a place with other people. And just even if you're not talking to people and not engaging that way now being somewhere with people other than toddlers i love my children i love my wife but like you know just being being in a different atmosphere and engaging this thing just people watching and seeing with her thing other friends and their family and friends and it was it was it was crazy i was it was wild for sure. You know going back. I mean it was nuts. The kind of support we got from from our from our customers and the community. In that i i will say that. There's one guy that that gave up so much of his time and he knows who he is Chris thank you. He filled with me phil labeled tops in seoul. Seven thousand individual cans for essentially nothing about the guy gift cards one of our local very nice restaurants and it was just because i'll i'll cosies up in liberty township one of the best The best Casual meals you'll get kind of an upscale casual deal shots eric. The bartender will take care of. Never been in there. Yeah it's a it's it's nice and and if you're looking for if you're a fried chicken fan a fried chicken fried chicken family. You're listening to the show. Just unsubscribe right. Now don't day so then you get covid. Yeah so especially ironic this story. If you anybody knows what. I did for my real worked in infectious disease research and vaccine development for respiratory diseases. So yeah i got sick sick in second week of july. You're you're the first person that i talked to. In kind of my close circle of people that they got it and it was in the middle of like people are still trying to figure it out. There's half of the people that i am friends with real. My god you guys like this is a guy who worked in infectious disease research In two thousand. And my wife and i worked on on a coronavirus project was Surrounding sars I was growing and growing in culture in the virus. In the project was using an environmental chamber we would release the virus. In the air with a mannequin. That would breathe. Like a human which mask would or wouldn't work and i won't And none of the so. That's that's kind of a little bit of that background. But i got sick one of my but you're also like you know you're healthy guy. Yeah was not that age range that people are telling you that you will eat out about like it's that it was. It was a big wakeup call to me that so i guess we should tell him is that i just get sick. I i got really sick. was sick at home for about seventeen eighteen days And we got one of one of our kids brought it home You know was sort of a we had. We had friends circles for everybody and They they let one extra in that child. Got sick and my parents brought in our house. So it's why we zone. It was the old it was the so Yeah so my wife. And i get sick And she was relatively sick for about fourteen days. And i thought okay you know. She's getting better. I'm a day or so behind her. Right i just getting worse. was one afternoon Where i just. I finally had to add to suck it up. I realized that i wasn't going to get better and So if this sounds difficult to some people. I haven't really talked about it so It it's kind of tough to to. I've talked to close friends and some folks But really nobody else knows about what what i've been through and what this company's winter So i was Doing what normal people do you know had to go relieve myself up some liquids and i couldn't breathe couldn't couldn't move and i told my wife i said look you've you find a way to get back to the couch to keep things light. I'll make a joke about lifting lots of weight. You're right so i said okay. I just need to get back to the couch. Get my breath and we have to go to the hospital and I mean those feeling bad. I didn't know how exactly how bad it was And you know they wouldn't let her in. Of course it was so car. And i said you know. And she said we gotta go. We've gotta go. I was fighting for a while for a couple of days and finally gave in You know my words where you know with with this kind of situation. People don't go there to get out especially at that time. Yeah the i think. I think the the treatments now has gotten a lot better. They they understand it more at the time they didn't They were kind of just trying to figure this whole thing and that that story gets a little more interesting With what i went through. There's it gets to that point. So i got out of the car you know my looked at my wife. Love your call. You let you know what's going on six hours later. I was just about that was Was begging and screaming. And i didn't have much less able to really breathe much those begging nurses and doctors to help A new i was dying. Bellicose just could not a couldn't get a deep breath. Owes delusional finally came up with a an icu. Room spent all night in a regular room. That that first night. I got out of the er With a pulse ox of like eighty two or something it was. It was miserable just sitting there doing nothing and they put me in a regular room because they had no room in the icu. And i was so so bad. The the kick somebody out apparently so it gets to the icu. And have a pretty nasty episode. Once i get in there and the pulmonologist came in and he said you got you got about thirty percent chance of survival if that you need to call your wife and kids right now said you serious and the nurse looked at me and so yeah this i mean i had something that they they call acute respiratory distress syndrome and they said anybody with arts that was caused by code. They had answered any. So i wasn't i wasn't really able to breathe on my own couldn't function i had no control over any body stuff at all. I know we're we're bringing people down here no like it's It in i talked to my wife and my kids and told them i was going to refuse the ventilator because i know what happens and you know. I'm not going into into a drug induced coma to get stuff down my throat. So i can die slowly and watch and let my kids watch this all my my my wife and my family have to suffer through you know not knowing what's going on because they can't they can't visit me and i can't facetime or text or anything and all this time. My grandfather was across the hall from me in the icu and he ended up passing away. Well i think the day. After i got out of the hospital so it how many i see you in told the pulmonologist refusing the innovation and he thought i was nuts. I said no. I understand a lot about this stuff in when we got talking about you know using certain medical terms and he said okay. I'll make you a deal. I won't answer you unless it's the only way to save your life immediately and you take everything else i offer you said okay. We gotta deal so got kambas plasma convalescent plasma you know the the monoclonal antibody treatments all kinds of research based stuff and Every steroid that man has ever known goofy drug that can that can help So in that process and a mini. Icu for twelve days. really couldn't do much couldn't move Was i think in all. I was in bed for twenty eight days lost Lost about twelve percents body weight and you know slowly starting to get better. you know. My wife was in contact with a couple of nurses who if if you folks in westchester hospital anybody who listens to this thing you so much The staff there westchester and the way they took care of my wife and me. of course. it was just amazing what they did so we we get through it finally get the hospital and get home and we think we're headed back toward recovery and we talked to the pulmonologist that i had that argument with and you know and i will say the day i got out of the hospital. He listened to my lungs in my heart and started laughing. And i asked him what was so funny and he said i'm just happy. I never thought i'd hear it again so And we we got on a on a visit with him. Just as i follow a couple of days out of the hospital and he said you helped save your own life. What are you talking to me said. Well you so stubborn hard headed. You forced me to treat more aggressively than i would with drug therapy wise and that. That's what saved your life that he goes. That's why how or how. I'm going to continue treating patients that are in your situation from here now. So you know going back to. They didn't know what they were doing. And i'm not taking credit for that therapy or that. That approach whatsoever because it's very specific to each person. Think about how many people across this country that were in similar situations that he didn't know to do that to blame. The best thing you can do is is listen to your doctor. If if you don't understand it the way they do but if you know if if you do have that ability and that knowledge so we stand up for yourself when you get an assay when you're in a situation like that. It's not like your doctor that you've spent all this time with a you know you do trust like it's just a guy met that person in suit. And that's that was part of the other thing that i saw. So i can relate to that part of you know when we had a my boy you know the little helen territory and when we had him it was april. It was the middle of all of this chaos. We walked in and there was nobody in the hospital right. They you know screen us send you upstairs one person at some desk hidden around a bunch of corners and they take my wife and take her away and i think i've told the story of kind of his birth almost i will dig into deep on it but from that point on you. Just don't see anybody. People with masks and shields and their space suits. Just don't see any people you just you have this baby. You're delirious from lack of sleep and right you can hear people through the walls every once whilst you know there's people around don't see them ever it was such a. It was such a lonely isolated feeling. I can't imagine i was fine. Can't imagine being in that situation where i was that you know when you know that that people just don't wanna be around you because it's dangerous and they come in literally in a spacesuit full helmet or fatio with a with a breathing pack on their back in a big blue flexible tube comes up and you know you feel you just feel so lonely you know and i could early on i had. I had trouble even sending a text message. I could type with my thumb three or four letters and literally be out of breath at the stop. And so i could just ease my way through it to to communicate with my wife. My parents and my kids Benchley you know that that got easier but you know i got home. survived it and We thought we were on our path to are getting better and then here comes this. Long-haul they I has such an an incredible inflammation response that my entire body got attacked And all of my all of my organs. All my major organs has suffered damage is still at this point. Only have about forty percent lung function. and just last week. I came back him brewed by myself for the first time. So that's how long the process has been how how much you know we get into. How important all the help that i had here. And if i don't mention you name. I'm sorry but you know so arrogant. And jesse and chris and these guys that did so much And there's plenty more that that helped out. But i was a i couldn't walk Once i got home i couldn't walk for about two months And certainly. I couldn't couldn't breathe. Couldn't i would have to get pushed around or be on crutches My my body was attacking. My joints In all of my My organs like i said and so from that of Become type two diabetic A body is my pancreas wasn't making insulin for a while. now that is making it again. My body's rejecting it stuff liver issues arthritis problems so it. It has been nothing but Consecutive sickness for almost nine months. Since it's been it's been one however how does it. How does it change how you do something like this. Does it change the focus. The direction of a place like this does it. Yes absolutely in every way Where where in the past. I would not necessarily legacy always been family focused but You know i won't. I won't rush to attend to something here. If one of my family members wants me not not needs me wants me around. I'm also had a really really good eye opener. About how fragile. This whole thing is And i'm going to play more golf You know. I'm gonna go out. And i'm gonna i'm gonna going to drive cars very fast and i'm gonna do things that i wanna do. They may be okay. Well should bru today but it's a really nice day i'm gonna go. I'm gonna go hiking. You know. I'm i'm going to start traveling in a little more You know we've got. We've got kids that are college age and one that's in high school it's Next weekend going up to see my university does he know that you're just gonna show up all the time to visit him. Yeah we'll kid. They've got some he knows where And he knows we're coming next week but Yeah we're gonna we're gonna watch baseball and hang out. Maybe do hike and drink some beer. You know things like that. But i'm going to do those things that that matter That really matter and not You know those businesses important and like i mentioned it earlier. I've got go money tied up in this. And i've got a lot of effort and time and blood and sweat and tears and all that stuff i mean that's that's a real statement but The big things this. This place isn't It is a priority. But it's not not by far it's not number one it's It it. I wanna give everybody the quality experience that that they expect when they come here and they will get the quality products right now. I'm not really in a hurry to get back to any distribution for You know even draft Not in a hurry to try to maintain a bruins schedule that that is for everybody else and not not. Just what's best for doug very well you know. My family and and selfishly. It seems you know it sounds going to bad. Sometimes but you know it's okay to think about you know yourself. So that's that's kind of where i'm at Now wouldn't a rank where dog berry comes in any order of priority because it's a matter of day to day thing But i'm gonna start living I'm going to stop worrying about. I've stopped worrying about stupid shit. You know for for anybody that may make them nervous though. Doug berry is a part of all of that. Kind of Maybe we'll call it selfish side of it too like this is this is this is you. This is this. Is that place that you want a certain type of beer. Guess where you can get this is. This is a very personal statement of what a A craft brewery is for you. And i guess you know that goes around. Maybe if it was if you could change before this year it may have in future years once once. The kids are are often doing their thing. You know we thought about doing something similar in a more Bucolic type atmosphere. So yeah. obviously i'm a big fan of Being out in the mountains and outdoors hunting fishing nike. And all that stuff But i think now what this is what this has done is it's sort of so you say how does it affect bury. It's sort of maybe affects dog varies long term plans a little a little bit You know this. This isn't something I'm going to fight for ne five. You know i'm just not going to. It's not going to be a lifetime. deal for me There's gonna come a point where i'm ready to step aside either. Somebody takes it over. Somebody buys it. Come talk to me. You know if you're looking for burry. Hey you know. I'll tell you all the reasons why you shouldn't do it. But you know the there'll be a time where it's it's time for me to move on and You know what's what's best for me and my family are gonna come i. It really has been a life changing experience For sure i think as a country. Hopefully i know that it's it's still a little walkie right now with a lot of people but I think that this whole year has been a life changing experience for a lot of people. Hope so as refocused. I think you know a lot of people. Are that goal that they're shooting for whatever that is it's put that into focus a lot of people it has wiped off. The map for a lot of people is reminded people that Those people that are around you are extremely important and they they might not be around you with no alter any yes. Just know of the world no warning. That's you know when you're faced with I had an instance where a came very close. I mean obviously the entire experience was was close a lot but there was one point where it was touching brain and my wife and i had this conversation. See a heritage stood up on my arms. You don't I'm not going to detail what everything said. But your life you hear phrases by your life flashing before your eyes One thing. I'll tell you if you're not doing things the right way now and i am not not going to preach anybody. I'm not a religious man whatsoever but if you got your shit together mix it a lot easier. Nobody does none of us have our shit together. Well there's also something right doing right way. There's something in every single one of our lives that if we look at and sometimes it takes something if you really look at it. There's something that you you're not doing right. You're you're not treating somebody the way that you should be right in here not achieving things. The way you want to or you should. That's what i'm saying to you. Know i i had a. I had a certain level of comfort. Because you know when you think about your wife and your kids you know. Nobody wants to die before their parents and nobody wants to leave kids behind. Nobody wants to leave a spouse behind But when that time comes it's it's odd you can freak out. But i didn't have the energy to freak out. You have time to think about the good and the bad and holy shit. What am i leaving them with. And i was okay with it. You know and i told mickey i i got to the point where i was pretty sure that was it and i was ready. wasn't wasn't wasn't positive. I wasn't happy about it. But i was okay with with you know if that was my turn than so be it You know i didn't want it to be in. I'm really glad it wasn't so parlay that into what you say you know treating people the right way doing the right things and it doesn't mean you know given all your money away i'm not talking about some fantasy. Bs stuff just you know. Be patient be patient with people. Open your eyes. Open your mind to things you know. Somebody is different than you. give them. give them a few seconds. You know you don't have to agree. You don't have to appreciate what they do. But if be nice certified people we all know what it means to not be an asshole like if you take a minute to take a take a breath and really look at how. You're you're handling any situation you know if you're being an asshole. I firmly believe that the astles that we all know we can. We can say no. I've got a list right down here. You know we are. They know they know they're asshole. Do they just think that they can get away with it in life and that you know i firmly believe that at some point and you know i got to that point where you you know. You have to be honest with yourself. You're you're gonna be forced to be honest with yourself at some point. We've all make we've all made mistakes. We all make mistakes. We wish we could take stuff back. But dan you know just be a little bit nicer to people be more understanding. Be more open minded. I mean this this hate crap. That's going on world right now. I i can't get it you know. And i'm not saying that. I haven't had my instances where i was impatient with people. I i mean anybody who knows me for most of my life knows that patience is something. I never had a have an had very hot temper. very opinionated very stubborn but you know but it opened my eyes. And so you're you're asking about. How has it changed things i it did. It did change some things with the very but really i think doug various be an extension of my personal side so doug barry's is going to be a hell of a lot easier and so so emma from here on out. I think that not to try to put a positive spin on the last year. But i really think that it re centers dog berry is and refocuses it into that that that idea from the beginning. You're absolutely right. It wasn't i didn't eat that sort of push center. No and it got the job. But i mean like from from day one and two thousand fourteen. When i sat down with you. Cross that bar you know it was you know we don't need to start a brewery. This isn't about starting a brewery. This is a bad just kind of sharing this this this passion this love or whatever how many there were at that point and then when off the top of my head there are today sixteen miles of downtown yeah Maybe if there were that many oh no we were twelve. I believe that sounds about right. Yeah that's then we spend all this money and move over here and then holy shit. Everybody's gonna open but you're right it was never about. We don't have to do this And then there were some growing pains. And and i won't say that you know we didn't some stars early on you know holy crap. We can't keep up. Ran the that original brew house Five hundred times in a matter. Of honestly i think five hundred and twenty five days we just we just couldn't bruin So okay let's scale it up to what what i thought was a reasonable size and hindsight maybe you know maybe a little smaller. Maybe or if we were going to try to do what we ended up getting into. Maybe a little bigger. I think if you asked me now would have gone seven five or seven barrels. But so we're at ten no big deal. I'm not not upset about any of the path that we took Abroad some great guys took some advice. We took our shot at certain things. just Just got to be a nasty market and you know what this what this business. What this market was like this community. it's not a. It's not like that anymore. That's so in two thousand and fifteen sixteen seventeen. We we all got together. We all got along. We worked together. We had fun it and then we get into this distribution game and all of a sudden. it's it's cut. I get it businesses business. I'm not. I'm not a stupid person but holy shit it went from. I'll help you too. I will cut your fucking knees off. Twenty changes that at all. I don't think so. I think there are too many people get to anything right back into it and just be right back where they were. Yeah i think. I think you're gonna see where a said. I hope you're right. About how twenty twenty. It's going to have that positive change with people. I think there's there's there's too much money that's been lent and and invested You're going to see a not not necessarily or not only greed. You're going to see desperation. Yeah you're going see people get right back into and there's going to be bullshit flying everywhere and i know from one particular source that there's some of that going on between breweries you know already or still what however you wanna put it. You're going to see a lot of that that cutthroat me me me type stuff you know. None of us are out here. You know building rockets. That are going to mars or any of that shit. We're making beer. And if i think we've had this conversation you know how many times it's just fucking beer. Let's have a good timeless enjoy. Let's let's talk about if we disagree about certain things okay but it has become so intrinsically important some to some people's lives that don't have a single dime in the industry the invested in it that it just blows my mind there. There are these shining beacons of hope for me within all of it though is like when you know this has grown exponentially obviously since you guys open but You you look You know it's painted on the wall at municipal It's just beer. And you get these places like that. I'm just using them as an example painting on the wall You know there are people that are existing in the middle of the chaos around them. That are this This this this beacon of what craft beers really out for every for every place that is a perfect example of that that opens. There's going to be one or two. That opened that aren't real not that cincinnati. I'm not seeing anybody isn't real. Don't send me the. We'll tell you the people i don't like but i'll tell you i'll tell you you know the now mild nerve. I don't have a dump. I can again. We talked about it open and honest thanks to You know there for as for as much as this. This industry has gotten nasty. I feel like there has been this backbone of like really amazing people that are coming out of it too and i think i hope so i think well you know like i said that. We're better off than we were. I hope so. And i'm going to have to take your word for it because obviously you know what what detail i've been. Shot off from it since Well essentially march when everybody shut down. But you know early july. I i just got back to work last year so hope you're right right. You know. i'll i'll tell you i'll tell you you story. It's not about cincinnati beer a of a friend in seattle in the community of Ballard which is this incredible beer seen if any some of you guys. I know i see some comments and you know through the facebook stuff. So many of you guys know about ballard and ballard beer. it's Essentially a little beers hippie hipster type commune area a little neighborhood. North of downtown a buddy that that started a brewery a year before us. He was so gracious to let me come out and you know sort of help you learn you know kind of get the whole processing of the commercial side of things down and a handful of guys out there that i worked with but they. They did everything the way we did. And now ballard is just loaded with so many breweries one in fact makes incredible. Beer rubens And your guys now selling contracting beer to be sold in the uk Got three different happens across seattle but Popular is very that that. I you know that i loved tiny. It was smaller than our original place with better parking. But but peter charbonnet And popular brewing. They had to close their doors. Couple about a month and a half ago They did everything they could but they just couldn't keep up in an area that was so grassroots and and this is a beer community ill but they just weren't getting the support and i i'll tell you from first. Inexperienced severe was great. If not the best right there with the best in that in that neighborhood but there's so much now so much money in almost corporate type feel to a lot of what goes on it and even if that can happen in that neighborhood it can happen anywhere you know you know. Here's the big secret behind craft beer and all of this. The beer doesn't matter which is the biggest that this is about it. We've talked about this. You know if you you know you can wave that flag blank slate every single day and just show you right. You're absolutely right doesn't matter you're right so okay let me put this on you and means nothing to me because we're going to do what we're gonna do. We want people to be dog berry fans because of what dog areas right now. What what matters. That's that's a very big question. Is you know there. There is a huge spectrum of what matters for me personally People matter those Those experiences when you walk into a taproom and he's down and you talked to somebody on the bar or die matters a lot michael o. Nate dogg back here. He's pulling it down tonight. He's great to talk to you. Know that that's extremely important to me. A place that my wife and my kids can go matters a lot to me right now or on the flip side also matters the complete opposite. I wanna go to a place where there aren't other kids. I agree with it there. I need that balance in my life right now so it's really important. It's also really important. That i have that place that i will say this though that That any one way or the other Shouldn't be knocked because they are because they are one or or one of the other you know. You're you're meeting the needs of somebody. Yes and if you walk in with your kids to a place that is not very kid friendly and all the millennial kids turn around and look at you like. Oh what the hell are those aliens. Get out of here. It's not it's not the breweries. All right They are running a business. We just so happened to choose. I mean we are in a neighborhood middle upper class neighborhood and this is what we do. People have kids. I have kids. I just like you said you want it sometime in when when my wife and i don't want to be around kids we go other places that you're right. I mean there are choices. But they shouldn't be knocked for being. So i do want to hear more about what you think. This isn't my show but now the question you know. I i think that creating a place where people feel Comfortable heard A welcome a place that people feel like as their place when they walk in from day one. I think that is really really difficult to do. But so do you call it. And the modified cheers type kind of. But i feel like that that build something in your mind needs And also if you say people feel hurt or that brings up this whole other kind of connotation to and they got. That's i don't know the right word for it but the place that just feels just feels good it's about the feeling about the the The commute located you know that that that feeling of parish the we're playing footsie's with straighten. My leg minority says a new boyfriend you know. There's there's this. Other factor to why why craft brewers are different than bars. You know bars bars are fun. I love bar atmosphere. And i love sheriff sitting down in here in some. You know old guy next me his tail of why. He's the greatest in the world in this thing. I love that awesome. That's not why go to a craft brewery against just. There's there's something different about it. I wanna place that. I can go one night by myself when my wife is. You know out with the kids doing something and i can show up and i can talk about whatever i talk about. When she's not around. That then i can go on sunday and i can bring my family and my kid can stand on one side of the taproom destroying a ski ball machine. And you know. I want that. And that craft brewers can do that. Yeah i can't do that. No you're right so yeah okay i got that. I just wonder if there needs to be. i guess. Each demographic is different and whether it be age group or whether it be income level. What have you you know what. What are you looking for You know there's a place for everybody when when it comes to craft beer and like you said for for a lot of those folks. The beard doesn't matter but if the beer does matter to you we want you here however it it could be. Even you just want to be in a cool place. The marketing matters to to some people But you know. That's i guess that's just something we're not you know we're not gonna chase you. Could you could build some kind of Hipster trend of we'd we'd market at all. That's that's yeah. I tried that shit because we don't have any money to market so apparently nobody felt. Sorry i i absolutely love what you guys have done here. I think the dog berry is very unique in. Cincinnati craft beer. I think you're building something that has the potential to last very long time. Hope so if if you can If you can hang in there yeah well is there. There's going to be a lot a lot of shit that happens around you and lashing put it this way We're still here After everything we've been through this year between you know the the business side of the cove. it's oh bullshit. They went on money. Wise and economics. my personal health and me being the the brewer have have eric as my system brewer. Who is way too damn busy at his real job to to be helping anymore The the help we got from the community shows me to what we built. Here is really is what we set out to do. I mean this this place you know. Every success is is defined by everybody individually differently. If if this hasn't been a success i don't you can't define it for me Further to that point with you know the fact that we're still here We haven't taken any government money we haven't taken any ppp loans. We haven't borrowed anything we did. We have had some grace from our from our landlord The fact that we're here now. And i was laid up for seven months. Nothing nothing is going to shut this down but me or russ i guess i i should say us Really not that you know. It's an invincible thing. But if we wanted to survive i it'll be here and it's going to wear how i'd like to see a be you know i'd like to see this carry on you know you don't want to call it a legacy or any of that kind of bullshit i it's it's a brewery But it's a very specific type feeling We haven't chased that. That feel gets over many thinking this thing. You know you don't to your kids like when they look back at at dad and they kinda form. The story of who dad was when they're adults and they're trying to piece all that together you don't think this is a massive part of who you are not at all. They know who. I am You know a dad disciplinarian. I'm i'm the dad that Was you know brayden pigtails. They were little was all of. This is a representation of that. I'm a. I'm a coach. you know we says you always you always of that is this. So yes you're right. Doug berry could be considered a combination of that sort of stuff but it doesn't define who i am dog. Barry isn't me dog berry is the result of me But no my kids know that You know and. I had a career that you know we did. Some significant stuff for human needs. My wife still does stuff. So that's what. If if i want to be defined by i would be curious. I i get that. I get go. I wonder i not that. I want any of this to happen. If dog very close today And then in twenty years we asked. You're kidding you just went off and lived on a mountain top somewhere which is very good. Well happen and then you know in twenty years. We asked her kids. You know what did your dad do. I you know i. I don't know your kids. i don't know. I don't know them all three of them. What have what have a different answer. I'll be really curious to hear their answers. Yeah all three of them would say maybe. That's maybe that's because of the you. That i know in this whole thing right. Yeah we met what seven years ago you and i. I'm bad at math. Twenty four fourteen. Fourteen of sounds about right. Yeah good thing. I'm good at math. I in that pocket. Yeah i mean it would all be different. But i think it would fall into the same category of was i My oldest recalls. You know when. I when i left the science world you know it was because i wanted things to be better at home right now. We're getting real personal. I'm i'm ready to dive into all kinds of stuff that i can't this You know it was one of those things where you know. I had a certain amount of accomplishment. Or whatever you wanna call in. I heard him say one day. Daddy's home from work and he's mad again you know that was it for me. He was he was a little shit. I mean just a little guy running around and at that point said okay. We're gonna find a way out of this and i did A left the real world for handful years and I was dead. So i think i think if if they said well tell me about it will. He's he was just ahead. You know it was it. It wouldn't be you know not defined by dog berry To any of them certainly not my wife certainly not myself Depending on your right. And i'm not defined by what happened this past year that that was scary sucked on me. I can't tell you what that what that was like for. My kids I can tell you that one of the oldest one was i. Don't wanna i don't wanna talk about what it how it felt for your kids cry. I don't wanna talk about your parents because it'll make me cry. Yeah that was that was worth. It was rough for all of them in the and now my mom's still talks but you've my mom you know that goes like well shit. You think it was hard for you. What about me so. Yeah but no you know an and i i don't think any of 'em would Would say well. There was a scientist. You mean that that's how that's how view life. That's how i go about my daily life. We we think about things in scientific way and we we. We try to solve problems that way. But i think they would just call me. Dad this is what you want it. Make me that's also what we. I've got a whole other list of stuff that we could i. I can't i can't transition from any of that. It's fine and you're drinking. Yeah let me from the beer beer free. That's a segue of also requests. Let's talk about bach and wrap things up very nicely. Ask all the questions. You want so You guys had to go back to an old recipe for your bach this year. Although i'll tell you what this fricken damn good. It's better than i remember it in as the old recipe. Yeah the older espy was only done at the old place. I've got. I've got a little more Leeway with finagling some things here so if anybody's curious are bach is our is a this year not the past two three years right now is a box style beer fo it's a volga made it with an alias and finagled the i did some bruins science stuff Temperature wise and kind of fiddled with it. And i think it tastes like a doctor. It's really really good. It's better than some of the other Actual traditional regular whatever. You wanna call a box around I like i like what i had been doing past couple years but i had a. I had a week and a half. So we'll see it. Get the old calculator out of andrews parking in the of bach fast. That's the in the spirit of of bach fast and blackbeard cincinnati. Nobody nobody gives a shit at this point. I mean it. It's fun to have people who are as traditional as you can possibly get that's important But that's we need to. We need a range of everything happening and the fact that there is a place that can make something like this that tastes the way it does And and finagle it the way he did. We need that to. I dig this a lot. Thank you i'm. I'm pretty proud of it and we talked a little bit earlier about You know one of my other favorite styles. Doing the week i got. I got a fucking hit on my hands back there in that format. Right now It is it's tasting great. And i mean it's not my thing necessarily a think it's going to go over incredibly. Well there's got to be something fun to about taking something that isn't thing and trying to trying to make it as good as possible and try to kinda sure. Hack that idea of you know this. I'm gonna. I'm gonna talk a blow. Their minds but the seltzer is a great example. Yeah nobody fucking like. Nobody likes seltzer. People that are drinking seltzer. Don't really like seltzer and some of your emails. You're you're confused right now and i give them l. Set you down now. Explain why you're drinking seltzer. But you had a great seltzer was it. You know it is. He said you're going to make it again about being clean and there are so many not clean seltzer. Well you don't have to cover it up with a bunch of crap. We're not we're not ever in a in a big hurry you know. Just just do things the right way. you know. it's something that was a. It was a cornerstone in in a thread that went through this industry especially in this town. When i started bruin here that it was a truly you can define quality and so many different ways. But you know when you're doing something if you're cut corners or not and and don't do as the theme of this show you know if unless you wanna bach this may with lager. Yee's allah has. I cut that corner. But i made it tastes good but even that like you had this this this constraint that you had to work with how do you take that and do it the right way and you know you can work within boundaries and do things the right way and that that's to me. That's what this episode is about. You know like you don't have to be an asshole to people. You don't have to half ass stuff you don't have to. You don't have to cut corners with anything in life. Just be be better. Be better than i know. This is a beer show then much bigger than beer we had. We had that conversation through the middle of the show. I mean a lot of this is about. It's about being together with people you know. The beer is a is a tie in with it. But you know just being together and and doing these things and at the very least when somebody walks away from you and a conversation. Don't make them regret it right now. When you walk away from my beer my establishment wants to be happy you know. I am not here to insult anybody not here to. I know we're going to be judged constantly because that's just what happens in this world. Social media's is it can be great and it can be awful all at the same time But you know what. I want you to walk away. You don't you don't have to love what you had. But i want you to say you know you appreciate it and you had a good time. You know all right what else. Let's go that's it that's it that's it was that says no we're good. We're good If you guys like what this show is you can support it. You can go to. The gnarly gnome dot com slash support. 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1409 Implementing Airway Treatment with the Leaders of Airway Health Solutions : Dentistry Uncensored with Howard Farran
"It's just a huge honor for me today to be podcast interviewing for people up on the left is lauren gates. Her name sounds like Bill Gates, but it's spelled G. U. E.. S.. She's a hygienist from New York. Right next to her is Ben Meraz Morale Lia does have Ben Morale. Leah yes very nicely done Ben Maria. Ben Morale. You. The G. is silence. He's also in New York or you guys in the same part of New York. I'm in long, island. So. You're drinking a long island iced tea and you're just. What just a regular corona beer and. Will. Smith on the lower left way Rachel. She's a hygienist from Dallas normally. We don't let anyone who sports Dallas. Cowboys come on Arizona Cardinals territory, but we made an exception for Rachel and then Kevin all indoor CD. Certified Dental technician in Saint Louis Missouri, which is one of the biggest cities on the map you have the American Association of Orthodontics and Saint Louis. You have the World Association of basically everything in orthodontics starts in Saint Louis and and they're an interesting bunch of people because they have ninety five percent membership now five percent of all the orthodontist are militant members. Members of the AL and then with with the ADA. You know I've been a member for thirty two years about two thirds of members and a third aren't and then when you go to medicine. Nobody's a member of the American medical. Association so I don't know what they're doing in Saint. Louis I'm keeping all their members, but what I assume they're doing. Is kind of like I'm Irish so I blame. Everything on the Irishman the movie Hoffa, but the thing about you know the teamsters union is. You might not agree with anything Jimmy Hoffa. Sad the damn all of his truck drivers that they all agreed to them. I mean those are the ones that all had burns on their fingers because they'd have to smoke because when the when they were falling asleep driving when the cigarettes are burning their finger. Wake him up, so he. He wasn't gonNA listen so what the the American! Association of work that honest do my God their orthodontist come first, and there's no one second. They're just all in for now so. Good at your Saint Louis. But anyway so Lauren. You. Why don't you start and introduce all this instead of me reading four Bios, what? Do. Why don't you introduce everyone and tell tell us all what we're going to talk about today while you're talking a long island, iced. Long! Happy hour hear. I appreciate the. Opportunity to spend with us. Thank you I. This is team Airway Health Solution so airway. How solutions is a company? We started about two years ago. It's a digital platform that teaches doctors how to incorporate airway implementation from age three all the way up to age ninety nine Dr Ben Mariah is the clinical affairs he is. A basically the the backbone of this company from all of his teachings and everything. MATTY's learns along his his long career I'm actually going to read his bio because it's impressive and share his accolades so if I may. Is that okay? So Dr Ben Mariah graduated from Sunia Buffalo School of Dental Medicine is twenty six years of general practice. Experience announced his New York including sixteen years of intercepted orthodontic experience where his focus has been on Early Childhood, Growth and Development Dr Morality lectures nationally on sleep, disordered breathing, clear line, therapy and craniofacial development. He held faculty positions with a line. Technology is on the board of Directors of the American Academy, a physiological medicine and dentistry. He's on the President's Council of Western Excuse me Northern Westchester Hospital. Hospital in Mount Kisco New York and his VP clinical affairs for Airway health solutions. He also has been recognized multiple times five years running as a leader in continuing education by dentistry. Today magazine so basically era health solutions was formed when DOC Mariah Nye worked together at align technology. That's where we met and that's where I actually met. Rachel Smith who a Rachel Smith is is not only ardy H, but she isn't an amazing, a treatment coordinator, a new patient coordinator. She does all the practice management sides. Frankly, because I don't enjoy that part of it. So she has that all that experience as a huge asset to us and our clients, because she is so warm and understanding, and and simply explains things that tend to be complicated for usually for their front desk, Admin team, but she's also a wonderful with Ichiro a digital integration She's on Line Faculty. She just got her bachelor's so shout out to Rachel for that the. Dog Rachel? Every late, and she's really the backbone of everything, financial and insurance and billing. Okay, and she's a wonderful person as you'll see this podcast. And then Kevin Olindo office president of all indoor flat US older alab. Let me say this right Kevin my gosh. Go ahead. Interrupt Mesa I. Get your name right here. I just know you as heaven. Lab Appliances Right. Right. Thank you, so Kevin is is amazing. I'm the read covens Bio Kasese third generation owner of the door clients. Laboratory is located in Saint Louis Services. Doctors in all fifty states haven't has worked fulltime at the last twenty five years. He's attended thousands of e courses on variety variety of topics, including sexual metrics, orthodontics, growth, and development, minor tooth movement Air Wayne Sleep disorders. He's an expert in all areas of appliance, therapy and Orthodontics, and that is why we are so fortunate to have him on our team because he makes all the appliances that on our. Help, our our clients implement clinically. Just walked into the Saint Louis Mafia. And so so my my first question. Saint Louis is. I opened up about it. It's the Ortho capital of the world. So did this start I in an open door. Did this start first with orthodontist? And it's slowly moving to general dentist are not so much, so my grandfather started the lab in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty three, and it was actually an offshoot of Washington, university and Saint Louis University's orthodontics schools, and so they needed somebody to be making appliances for at that time, and he decided to get started with it and just has gone from there. And we have customers are orthodontist. GP's after Dennis all over the place so who'd service everybody? And then and then mark is your dad correct and it's still doing it. No, he retired about five or six years ago. Yeah, what age they retire! He was sixty eight sixty, so he must have loved it if you she turned into. But but but let me ask it a different way. If you do a hundred appliances. How many are ordered from orthodontist versus General Dennis? So we are pretty much GP lab and Pediatric Dental Lab, so we probably have about seventy five percent of GP's and twenty five percent or the data's. RIGHT ON YEAH! So, my my guy so. What I don't understand most about this learn is. In dental school in Nineteen, one, thousand, nine, hundred, seven and I never heard. Word one about sleep. How did I become a doctor of dental surgery and I mean was I actually sleeping in class when when they were talking behind this? Did you hear about this when you're in school? No I graduated dental school just a little bit after you in Nineteen, ninety-three and all four of those years. I don't think we heard the word sleep, nor did they let us get any is get in that lab and do your work. And then when you start to pick it up and roll with it, you start learning that even a medical student who goes through all those years of medical school, then an internship or residency or They. They have a dozen hours on sleep. It's not in the curriculum. It's like an after thought where they throw it at. You say there's the sleep thing going on, but the medical doctors didn't get it either. So. If someone said to you historical speaking, I mean like what kicked this off was there did some famous movie star? Was it a book? I mean. How did sleep go from non existent to it's everywhere. Everyone's talking about the importance asleep sleep. Well they probably got started with between the dental and medical communities, starting to think about sleep apnea related to growth and development, and how all of a sudden you have. These people who are breathing poorly at night and part of it's probably due to C-PAP noncompliance our failure as it's not really a wonderful solution, I would imagine if a C. PAP was such a perfect answer, and it had ninety percent acceptance and use. Dennis wouldn't be making appliances if the C-PAP was a wonderful, but meanwhile there's a very low interest and compliance rate of C-PAP usage over time. Meanwhile, you still have patients then have trouble. And now you have a difference in direction whether or not you're treating the or the symptoms, so even even a C.. PAP Machine is a cure for sleep apnea. And then you think about mandibular advancement devices, and there's another set of appliances that can be made, and there are different styles, but the idea there is, it addresses the talk and repositioning it while we're sleeping, not necessarily addressing a cause, which we're really attributing to underdevelopment, if the Maxima and the mandible or underdeveloped. Now you have an airway compromise with the airway. Compromise comes at unhealthy patient during the day. But also at night, and it's a little worse at night when the brain is really trying to do, it's rejuvenation and cleaning processes, but we only get that if we've got non resistant nasal airflow. So, the underdeveloped patient becomes the unhealthy breathing patient, day and night a little bit worse at night, meanwhile produces medical symptoms so over time I think that between the public and some doctors and dentists in different directions, all kind of building a puzzle, but not necessarily together have created a lot of words. And learn what was going on in your world where you saw the market not addressing something where you felt like you need to start your own company. What sure what was not making you happy? Well. I saw problem and I saw avoid, and we could fill that void very much with implementing education and awareness for just how important the dentist in pediatric dentists and even dots can be in growth and development, so when Dr Ryan I worked at align technology. We created a lot of the GP education that focused on you know a proper tooth alignments, and we took that to the next level to include airway, and that's once. We got started on that. Renew that there was so much more we could offer share with the doctors who wanted to learn more about growth and development, and how they can actually help their patients breathe sleep and thrive. As met in a line. Is this something that they're going? After in a big way or they? Trying to I'm going to stay focused on clear liners. That's our cash cow. Why did you guys start this company and of align just doing it? So. Upside the Laura well. We actually created a course called amplify, so we were the creators of that course, which kind of upon it, but We really wanted to go to the next level that went beyond. Clare Liners, there's other type of appliances like my functional appliances, the to screw three score appliance so clear liners are part of the portfolio, but it's not the complete portfolio, so we really didn't want the limitations to just be under the Kleiner umbrella so to speak. And and how do you think I'm sleep is? How do you think would you say sleep started to scale I? It was non existent in the eighties and the nineties. Came out of the closet I'm. When did it start scale? And where is it on the scaling late limited ambles when the invented the x Ray? Back in the eighteen hundred William rankine, but it wasn't until after World War Two when they started dental insurance that. Before, dental insurance covered xrays at one hundred percent. Almost no dentists in America owned ray machine, and then they started the the dental insurance company. It was in the the not the The the Longshoremen Union were every ship that shipped in and out of America had to go through the longshoremen they had the country cut off and there's the ones you started dental insurance, because the president and their infant lack of wisdom. Wisdom had set price fixes on salary, so you couldn't give anybody a raise during the war, so the unions with their might and muscle said okay well. We can't give us arrays. You're going to give us something and they just pick dental insurance. You know that one just fell out of their head, and because of the when they covered cleaning x rays that one hundred percent like a domino, every dental office about an. An x-ray machine so when people tell me that insurance codes don't matter I. Tell them to tell that to their x ray machine, because it certainly matters so as and then when people say cad Cam care site milling well, that's obviously everyone should do that well I don't know all my homes have eight years of college and only fifteen out of one hundred about it after twenty five years, whereas digital x rays two. Two thirds of bought it ten years, so we're we're we add on this? This is going to be more like a niche market, one or two percent, and never get it to be his biggest cad cam, like at twelve percent or DC this eventually turning into like x rays were a hundred percent are going to educate themselves on sleep at some level where we out in the roll out of sleep, medicine and dentistry. Growing over time, but like you said ten years ago non-existent. Five. Total awareness, but not adoption of it all in every practice. Certainly maybe it's just being introduced in the dental schools, but the idea is. Dentistry has had a hundred years run of focusing on the teeth and. if you're starting to look a little bit further, you start recognizing that the real problem is the foundation of the teeth are almost incidental at that point. And so the idea becomes, will dentistry refocus its effort on the foundation versus the teeth and. Focusing on the teeth, May improve you know the teeth, but it may not necessarily change you from an unhealthy human, being a healthy human being whereas when the focus is on the foundation, you can take an unhealthy human being and make them a healthy human being. When I was in school, they said there were three three things. Dentistry carries Perry's and collusion. And there was some that rhyme carries Perry. Harry Berio Aclu's Oh. I used to have something that rhymes. Jingle Yeah I had a Jingle Carey Carey O. Perio. Lose, but would you happy? We forgot it. Would would you say that sleep is part of one of those three, the collusion or not and totally separate? While we're talking about a whole human being, and so it's any it's anything that's happening to that. Human being will have almost the direct connection to how well they're breathing. And so a human being as an obligate nasal breather. And if you're nasal breathing without resistance twenty four hours a day seven days a week, three, hundred, sixty five. Days a year you're going to be a healthy human being, but the moment you have nasal airflow resistance, even if it's a small amount, you're going to be an unhealthy human being and welcome to the world of medical symptoms as your aging. So, the idea is the foundational growth of the maximum and the mandal deliver your airway resistance, and it begins with the nasal chamber, but as you have that under development delivering your Airway Resistance. You start to develop symptoms so when you think about the patients with Mild Malik Lesions they tend to have mild medical histories and in the patients with Severe Malik collusion's tend to have severe medical histories, but in any of those categories they get worse over time and human beings are generally built to be healthy. Unless of course, there's a pathway towards unhealthy. It just so happens that the maximum. Is really the key to how the that patients going to age in a healthy or unhealthy category as the Max, Hillary size delivers the breathing through the nose. Well said and and Rachel. You're A. High Dennis from Dallas. Did you get into this just because you're so sick of watching. The cowboys lose just wanted to. Get into somebody else will i. will let me just clarify the even. I live here actually from Saint. Louis I'm part of the pack from St. Louis, but are mar family might husband. We've always the Miami Dolphins Fan. So I'm not I'm not a cowboy fan, so you can be friends again, but I will kind answer. Cardinals came from Saint Louis I'm aware of. The. So kavingere husband. Husband but he and I are like were were Saint Louis Buddies like we're. So anyway just. Go ahead. I was GonNa say I started in a practice that we address? You're asking about how sleep became. Popular doctors or dentists were looking for an easy way to use insurance to have some income. It's easy to make sleep appliance. You can get a non c-pap so i. think that that's entry into dentistry, but what what? We've discovered over time and. And this is why I love being part of era, health solutions is just like actor Maria said so nicely. We treat symptoms all day long. When somebody has a cavity, we fill it, but we don't ever ask why this patient get a cavity. If somebody has gum disease, we really spend the time to figure out what the causative factor is in the. The difference with Airway health solutions is. We're trying to solve the problem, not just treat the symptom, so you can make sleep appliances all day long, but we're not really trying to make a difference wrong these patients, and if you think about even your practice Dr Farrand looking all your adult patients If you have someone who has a severe Malthusian. Malthusian. They have a very complicated medical history, and I've seen patience for the last five weeks here into in Dallas in. I can't tell you once. you start seeing these issues in these little's. You know where they're headed. Because you can see their parents and their grandparents, and that's really our mission is to get these doctors on board with some simple things. into their practices to change, these patients lives at an early age all the way up to when they're older and so that's really what I think is really made a difference. That is amazing and so Kevin. Is Your lab. Is this a? Whoop if you made one hundred appliances in your lab. What percentage of them have to do with sleep? Where specific sleep appliance is probably about five percent, but if you're talking about arch expansion and arch development appliances, that's probably about fifty percent of the appliances that we fabricate and it's really about. I can't tell you how sleep doctors I've talked to who've said Gosh if I could have gotten to this patient when they were young and develop their arches out naturally. Should mean how much difference that would have made to them as they. Grow older and maybe could have totally eliminated the need to even be on a C. PAP or a you know asleep appliance at some point, so that's one of the big things that this team is working with is trying to start early to get these arches developed where they should be to get the patients the growth of development where they should be. And what do you on your website? What homes I mean you have airway health solutions DOT COM. BEN IS BE GM DENTAL DOT com. ALL INDOOR PLANTS, lab DOT COM Lauren guy eight lowering gates dot com. which which lab which website? They just remember one. Airway Health Solutions Dot Com because that encompasses everything that we're doing together as a team to help the doctor implement airway health at any age You know so The beauty of this is we have two parts to our company is we offer education? So we were live? Pre. An Hour. We're online for our today. Many residency which we have, the one day teaches pediatrics, so we. Thrilled that are doctors. After taking the courses, there's a common threads throughout that saying it's I opening its implementable. There is an instant return on investment so these really hold a lot of pride and. Care to make sure that the doctors can implement what they learned. Come Monday morning. We also have coaching as well so some doctors need a little bit more hand holding after they learn the Maya functional appliances after they learn expansion appliances. On how they can utilize Clare Liners more like an expansion appliance. Then we also have coaching all the way around from team coaching financial coach, saying Kevin Actually does a lot of of coaching with our clients, and then of course Dr Ben Mariah has his services where he'll do. The case reviews in case setups. and. You also have another dentist Felix Right. It's nuts. joined as guest faculty, and we thought it was such a great fit because he's a holistic, so he's Airway N. holistic, so he brings a whole other entity to us with nutrition and wellness, so we're really thrilled to have him on board for Whole Health. Integration and I'm going to say because that's a trigger word for my home may so a couple of people and you said listening actually went off the road. Is what I can tell. I want to call you because a lot of there's a lot of threads on dentistry. That holistic is crazy, crazy crazy, but every time a dentist get sick on downtown. Oh. My God they're holistic like when a Dennis when the patients have I blood pressure. This was take this prescription. When the dentist gets blood pressure like what's going on. They're like well, Dude. You're read the K factor by an MVP. You need four grams of potassium forever. Grammar Soda How come whenever the dentist gets sick. They're all listrik. They don't WanNa do pharmacology. They all want to get to the root of it naturally, and then when a patient just as A. Holistic means what this seen as I see the American healthcare system. Everybody's on a dozen pills in prescriptions I. I want to do it more naturally. They just raise their hands. We'll do I had to take. All these pills can do it naturally and the dentist, or like urinate at your host. Get Out of here, but I do for marketing I do. Do Know for marketing that when dentists put on their website, holistic dentists that they have patients that drive an hour across Phoenix and pass fifty dental offices, and they're not holistic. They're saying like I'm saying like anybody with the brain cell knows that Americans are five percent of the global population and they eat half the prescription pills. Okay, you don't you don't. Don't have to be a math. Major figure out that something's probably not right. When five percent of the people eat half the flip and pills, and and so listen to me, means a person is having trust issues with the healthcare system. Well, how if you don't have trust issues with America's with everything about America? Then then you're naive. I mean you you. You know it's it's A. It's a living project and it's always cleaning house and I. I like Felix I mean he's a DDS's got madd. He's got his abd I. Mean He's A. He's a and he's author of a six foot tiger at three VK, but so okay, so so let's I'm Gonna I'm Gonna I'm GonNa go with the. This, is who I'm aiming my podcast right? I'm not worried about a bunch of I'm GONNA be fifty eight next month. Okay so I'm for all practical purposes. I'm done I my kids. They turned. My four boys turned into six grandkids. Everything's Fine I'm not worried about sixty year. Old Dennis I'm worried about twenty five year old kids. It just walked out of dental school with four hundred thousand dollars in student loans and I want to ask Ben Ben. How much did they learn about sleep? And there are four hundred thousand dollars student loan debt education, and they just graduated ago very little and very little, and probably not enough to implement and so certainly. They have opportunities to take continuing education, and that's where there's that you know fork in the road. Are you choosing something that is geared towards treating a symptom, or are you choosing something that's geared toward treating your cause? And so now we're entire program is is built. To that we can train doctors how to treat the cause, which means, how do you grow? into the full size of the maximum mandible that you were supposed to be delivered, and so the idea is, we're dealing with a population of people that is wildly underdeveloped. And in the maximum mandible, that under development is going to deliver that airway compromise, and so the the course isn't really a sleep course in fact I don't treat sleep I treat under development, and so what we're diagnosing is under development, because when you're maximal and your mandible or underdeveloped. That's your diagnosis. Obstructive sleep apnea sleep disordered breathing symptoms. Those symptoms you get when you don't breathe well and most people don't breathe well because they underdeveloped. that. Underdevelopment can be corrected. It can be corrected at any age most importantly in the younger population. If you correct it, you never see then the adult symptom list that comes from your sleep disordered breathing or say, and now you have enough research to show that almost every medical condition has a link to obstructive sleep apnea or sleep disorder breathing. because. It delivers a lot of inflammation and sympathetic drive. And so that combination of the inflammatory response and the sympathetic drive. Is a real troublemaker when it's a chronic condition, and that goes back to the healthcare system that we were just mentioned a moment ago because. The the sad reality is that there's no longer health or care in the healthcare system. And so, what's happened is the medical community. Is that the medical community? The Western medical model has chosen path. And the Western medical model is a symptom based model with the pharmaceutical solution, and that's the main path when you're thinking about your bell curve. The Western, medical model treats the majority of patients through symptom related pharmaceutical solution. And now that doesn't offer people an opportunity to heal. We're managing disease. That's not healing someone. Now if you think about, where does all of your medical symptom lists come from well? The majority of those medical symptoms arise out of long term chronic issues. So if we think about our medical community as far as acute and chronic. Well acute is I'm climbing up the ladder to change a lightbulb. I fall off and break my leg I didn't have a broken leg a minute ago. Now I do so I have an acute medical issue. I'm going to go to the best orthopedic surgeon I'm going to get some surgery. Put my leg back together. I can go run a marathon after my training again. So in the acute category medical system is really spectacular. You know a car accident you want to see an. ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON TO REPAIR YOU and put it back together. But where our medical systems gone off, the tracks is the chronic. Issues so cute. They've got covered nicely, but chronic. It's total opposite world, and that's where that symptom related pharmaceutical delivery to manage disease over the long period of time has become kind of the failure of the Western. Medical Model. So. We don't handle chronic issues very well, and like you were mentioning high blood pressure, and the long list of inflammatory in chronic issues that arise most of them have. Acquired backgrounds not genetic backgrounds. And when you think about the breathing, and what that does to someone while they're trying to you, know so-called sleep, and then get repaired, cleaned and rejuvenated overnight. The sympathetic drive, and that inflammatory reaction that is low level, but chronic as the years are going by turning into decades. Next thing you know you've got a patient. That's really suffering and struggling. And certainly the best way to address your breathing. Issue is to I. Make sure that you have all of the growth and development. You were supposed to have that. The air could actually flow from the nostril to the lung without resistance. So having a fully developed maximum mandible is really the key. It's different than just positioning the lower jaw forward, and that is an opportunity and for some patients. That's a good choice, but that's not part of our program where we're teaching to advance the mandible with a sleep appliance, we're teaching techniques that grow and develop the Maxima and the mandible, so that not only does the nasal chamber have room for the air to flow, but then the tongue has a bigger chamber, and that's what you were referring to with. Dr Leo's book that six foot tiger. Three foot gauge well. It turns out that tongue. Tongue is a majority of this breathing issue, and it's trapped in a smaller world that underdeveloped jaw structure delivers a tiny cage for that tongue. Live in meanwhile if we could advance that wall out farther next thing you know you've got a bigger cage, you'd love to have a seven foot cage for the six tiger, so if we could have that opportunity to give you the growth development back from the age of three on up now you're making a difference because you're delivering a patient that doesn't have a chronic inflammatory response and doesn't have chronic sympathetic drive while they're sleeping or even while they're awake. Now you don't have to be. The average American at age fifty. WHO's taking five pills? When you were talking acute where you're talking about Rachel or Lorne. Yeah my children. More. Rachel I'm going to ask you your You're a hygienist Rachel Smith RDA. There's another Rachel hygienist Rachel Wall. Hygiene would percent of the hygienists do you think are showing interest in this? is taken off in dentistry and hygiene about the same rate or the dentist. Getting more engine, hygienist, lagging or vice vers. Rachel's the Rachel Smith and Rachel walls. I know just from being in the. Areas that I'm in as far as social media. In that type of thing, there are a lot of very discouraged hygienist out there who are are looking for ways actually treat their patients, and of course if they're working in a typical dental office, driven by what the doctor knows. So, what does the doctor know? What's doctors passion going forward in a there is a lot of opportunity for hygienists to be those initial assessors. That's what we're so good at. We see a patient and we have to collect a lot of information to present to the darker and in that in our oral cancer screening Lawrence done an excellent job with all of our teams to help our. Our hygienists who who take our horses to look for these things very simply while they're doing their oral cancer screening and one thing that is widely not looked at and I've met many hygienists and asked them no one looks at the time, and the tongue is so key to success with orthodontic movement with growth and development so we really need to make sure that we're looking for those things once we all start looking because once you see it, you can't stop seeing it, but I think high inspired that way to look in trying to solve some problems for these patients find it early great opportunity in dentistry to make a difference for our patients overall health. Okay I'M GONNA. Say something and I don't want you to. Hate me and and get off and walk out of the deal, but I'm just. I'm just telling when I when I say something crazy like this. These are my my friends are telling me. I remember their affirmative May. They're probably told me drunk at a bar and don't even remember saying it, but they I Rachel I? I! Do I hear this all? Do this the fad I've you know how many fads I've lived through guy I mean, and then they just start naming off fads. So what do what do you tell a dentist Rachel? When he says you dude, you're caught up another fad five years now. No one's going to. To be talking about this, so we have this huge covert world that we're living in right, so all of us are dealing with someone way or another I think this is an excellent opportunity for us is dental providers to create real change for healthier immune systems without creating a bunch aerosol. My whole dream is for us to take. These patients assess their needs. Put them in the proper growth deploy a growth appliances that they need in solve some problems. Now doctors can continue doing what we learned to dental school. You just brought this up four hundred thousand dollars worth of dental debt and whatever they learned how to do Lava don't even get to take a clinical Zam they're gonNA. Take their clinical exam on a type. Not That's realistic. Right docs, not necessarily. On has a name or names and. Respect. Yeah, so I think that these doctors assayed what you can continue doing what you're doing and being a slave to PPO's and and drill events achieve and let Delta dental decide. What's what kind of money you're GonNa make, or you could get up every day and work a little bit smarter to solve some problems for your patients, so it's up to them to make that decision or not, but I certainly because I do mostly. Mostly fill in hygiene now, DALLAS, which is interesting so in the last five weeks been in multiple practice settings and multiple dentists that I've talked to serve an opportunity in the wants. You Really WanNa make a difference. Get Him before they learn any bad habits nerve. Right out of school you. The world is your waster. Find a pack that makes sense to you. That's going to be different than everybody else. That's on your street. And we have A. we have a way to show our our practice how to do this. In a simple way without investing three hundred thousand dollars in a cad cam machine, all kinds of crazy stuff we get. We give them a pass so that they can really make a difference in of course, be profitable as well. And I think I'm hopefully. you know when something bad happens like I? Don't care what happens bad to me. If I've I learned something I mean some lessons you know you gotta go to dental, school for you know you gotta go to eight years of college. You come out four hundred grand to learn something, and sometimes you can learn something just by getting punched in the face by your older brother. You know what I mean and you're like. Okay I shouldn't do that again. Do. You think I'm. The. I'm hoping that this. We were on the brink of a of another lemans. Brother was Two thousand eight had been ten years. the the Buffet Index. You know the value of the stocks. America is one hundred and twenty five percent of the economy, and whenever that happens, there's usually a correction. Everybody was thinking. There is going to be another Lemans Day and then the virus came, and now you have racial tensions out, and then you got a presidential election in five months, which is kind of bizarre because five months ago, no one knew anything about this pandemic. So if you want to know how far that PA- that election is, we're basically at the halftime of the show and. It's had five months the first half and it was horrible, so God only knows what's going to happen the second half but I hope that all this is going to be some structural changes. Because when you look at healthcare well, our healthcare system wasn't. It wasn't very good when it was tested in a pandemic. And our health art, you said Delta Dental The Doug Dunho fee really isn't set up for its setup for low volume, high volume low margin. And I used to when I got out of school. I mean my God I would run into a hygiene. Check with Rachel, and then I go numb this guy up then I do a crown prep, and let the Assistant Pakhtakor wide I, was running around eight rooms well now I gotta get dressed up like I'm going to do my first Moonwalk, and no longer a volume, so their first question to you is okay. Pre Pandemic PPO, which by the way ninety five percent of all dental offices participate with Delta and they say your fee. If you're young kid, just a reminder when I got of school. I wrote down my own fees and all the insurance company just told me what percent they paid. They pay one hundred percent clings xrays, eighty percent and dozen fillings and fifty percent for crowns, dentures parcels that was that was the GIG and then ten years into. They said no, we're. We're GONNA. We're going to tell you what your fee is. An P percent, but the whole thing was designed for. Urge upping your volume lowering your margin, so you were just running from house to house putting them all on fire. Now we have pandemic. I can't do volume anymore. It's no longer a game of volume, so my question is Rachel. How does this fit and and a post pandemic world? Doctrine rallied and I were having this conversation, because both are treating patients again how difficult it is for communications. We're GONNA have to rely on technology a possibly doing some zoom prescreening for patients who are interested so that when they are in the practice were being efficient with our time so I think there's a way for us to do that and the other thing. Is that when you were providing this? This type of service for your patients. You can do a lot of this without all that p. p. e. on, so you do a lot of your pre screening and those types of things and you get to actually go down a path where you can take your time use that relationship based model that we know is very effective, but when you're running around putting fires out, you're basically you know. Tripping over dollars to get pennies, because you're volume volume, and you know what the pandemic has given us an opportunity in the dental community to slow down. Do things the way that we should be doing them and make a difference for our patients. And a lot of just listening to your bases like I had a friend of mine where you know the the young people, I I can only speak of Arizona but if you're not familiar verizon. Were the Florida of the West so That's know that's every shit thing that's ever happened in Florida at about fifteen percents. That's Arizona, but the so in Arizona. If you're thirty and under, you're not going to get pregnant. You'RE NOT GONNA GET STD. You're not gonNA GET CORONA They're fearless. They I. Mean you look at the bar scenes at night? There's a million people and they still just WanNa dance with Wanda. So the the people, the people that need all the dentistry, are you know that the implants crown and bridge all they're all sixty seventy eighty, and they're afraid so in just listening to the cancellations of that now my friends and the dental officer calling back and say well by the way. You, you know if you pay for your whole treatment plan in advance will schedule appointment and it's just. GonNa be you me and the assistant and man they're. They're getting a twenty five hundred dollar, five thousand dollar case in three or four days a week, and that lady is so lucky because grandma's in there I mean come on I'm. I'll be fifty eight next month. I got four boys under thirty I guarantee you. I would have twice as much trouble with Cova nineteen, then thirty and under right. I mean it's just It's one of those. It's one of those obvious things in life where it's always better to be younger than older so. Do you. Do you think I'm? How will this fit into this post? Pandemic World I mean how. How are you envisioning this? Verse in I. Don't know you know. Texas is kind of crazy, so I'll own that for a second. But in the past five weeks I have been shocked, not shocked, actually pleasantly surprised at the amount of patients who are grateful to come in and have a wellness visit. We've done a great job in dentistry. Letting our patients know how important it is to come in for routine care in I've had patients in their eighties in their seventies in. We just assure them. We are following the protocol, and they're more than willing to come into the practice, but the patient where we really can make a difference for. For those moms and Dads who are so frustrated because you know their kids on five medications, they're twelve years old and honest C-PAP, and where we're going to solve this problem, and that is really what makes the difference is by helping. These parents understand there's a solution to their child's problem. And then also my own husband was a four by extraction retraction orthodontic case, and he suffers with a with a with a CPAP, and we're on track right now to grow his arches at fifty two years old. I'm fifty to fifty four. We're going to grow his arches in his airway back because somebody robbed it from. Born and raised Saint Louis Missouri. Dude you always check the teeth before you buy the horse? How how? Everyone knows that you didn't look fired it. He only snort a little bit at twenty five. That is but that's a true story when you're in. Up in Kansas IOS check the teeth before you buy the Horse, and those older people say mandate. They got bad teeth to. You'RE GONNA. Lose out your money on that horse but this is a research and so I wanna to go back again. I'm trying to refocus my podcast post pandemic. The switch to my podcast wasn't about the pandemic. It was about the kids. You know what I mean again guy I mean so. I'll give you I'll give you a hint away. I don't care about old people old dentists, and that is you know the dental town classified ads have been out since one thousand, nine, hundred ninety usually have about five us. Advertisements looking for an associate for everyone selling a practice now it's two guy selling practice for everyone at out for a kid so and I look those people I know these are they're all? If you're sixteen over and you, you know you're debt free. Your kids are raised in your site. You know what I'm done. I'm done, but the kids so I'm trying to focus back to the kids, so they just walked out four hundred thousand dollars suit loans. They've been working on a mannequin. It's very sad. They know nothing about sleep and they go to your website. Airway health solutions. Dot Com I see a Webinar on their. By Leo and this. Morale Morality. Around. More, Algebra Algebra. So, so she she's twenty four. She's four hundred thousand dollars in debt. She's very interested. She's the middle of the pandemic. What is she going to find on Airway? Health Solutions DOT COM so I, really encourage. Every listener to do is listen to that, Webinar. Because it's eye opening. There are so many moments which reconnect the head back to the rest of the body, and really empowers the dentist to become with. Dr Lee alcohol calls a mouth. Dr We're really taking care of the. The of the whole body, so they can see for themselves cases. Everyone likes to see results so in this Webinar. This case reviews. There's patient testimony ills. They can see for themselves. The benefit that growth and expansion will have on any age. If you are undeveloped at any age, the dentists can help get the person back where they should have been in the first place, genetically speaking so maybe Dr Morality can touch upon that with them, the epigenetics and some of the midst beyond expansion. And one thing I think I mean and my Buddy Fred. Joyal has been on the show, a couple of times founder one hundred Dennis. He says everything is marketing. The pinky institute. What they do is they fight. They have six one week classes well. It's hard for a twenty five year old to go from I've seen an ad now. I'm going to council week flight. The only reason I did at the first time is because it was in key Biscayne Florida and my four boys wanted to sit on the beach and play in the sand. Why Daddy went to school every day, so after I went to the first week. I didn't even know if I was going. Go back and my four boy said No. No No, we're. We're going back. You said it was six full weeks already ready for six weeks and keep his k. on the beach, but anyway what they did is they made a one hour online see course on dental town to kind of explain the week and they said it was the best marketing thing they ever did and dental town as put up, we, we have over four hundred one hour courses. They've been viewed a million times. You you should, you should take that Webinar and and make it a online dental town c e. Yeah I'll send you. Know I got the right right on on the box, but Also to all email you learn I'm I'm Howard at dental town dot Com, but the guy in charge of that is. Another Howard, so he goes by Hobo Howard Goldstein. But I will send you the email right now. Because I watched that Webinar in preparation for our lecture and my Gosh, the first thing I thought is. Should Ben Ben could probably do forty courses but to give them enough to get their interest, and they hear that then if they want to learn more than you know, go to your website and keep the journey, but with the kids. To. Sit Down and tell them of how to drive from Phoenix to Dallas to go see Lauren. They're not listening to the instructions 'til they I find out well. Why the Hell am I going to Dallas and then once they realize Oh, wow, yeah, I, really want to go to Dallas then they start taking information, so you gotta do something on on the I would do something on. Don't online seating to spark curiosity. To Go, but but tell us. Ben Day over you of that Felix and Ben. Ben and Jerry's or Felix. That is the ice cream of choice. Having that shortly the Yeah the overview. Is that you in the our guys? Get the why. And why would you want to be involved? And the short story is that thanks to Westernization and industrialization we then shift from natural hard diet to a natural soft diet, and that early soft diet requires less muscle use, and if you have an early soft diet, will now you have musculature that will be a strong which then doesn't promote the bone growth, so you get your jaw growth primarily from muscle use now an early heart diet. Delivers Great Muscle function and strength, which delivers an incredible job growth, which is why, in pre, industrial or pre Western cultures. We don't really find Malthusian very much. We find fully grown jaws, thirty two teeth uniform lack of variety class, one type of good exclusion, and when you have fully grown draws not only do you have thirty two beautiful teeth to display? You have plenty of room to breathe through then introduce an early soft diet into Western culture, which is now the predominant way to feed a baby from zero to. That early soft diet with the weak musculature, which then becomes secondarily dysfunctional, so you have weak and dysfunctional muscles do not promote bone growth without the bone growth. What we end up seeing crowded teeth, so crowding of teeth is very common. Meanwhile, it's a symptom and what you have. Is that underdeveloped Josh structure so getting back to the student who's got the four hundred thousand dollar debt and needs to do something in a dental practice well at this point since every child is sixth or seventh generation post, industrial or Western living the child, the parents and the grandparents are fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh generation. You have about a ninety nine percent rate of underdevelopment. It's very difficult to meet a human being who grows on their own all the way to thirty two teeth where they belong and yet that was the case pre-industrial living. That was the case as the normal or ideal pattern for growth and development was that cultures throughout the world grew their jaws fully to position where thirty two teeth were represented, and you had lack of variation, all of a sudden introduced that Western lifestyle and that soft diet early next thing we've got underdevelopment, so that gives that student the opportunity to treat pretty much every patient they meet at any age through growth and development techniques, not just holding the tongue at night, slightly different opportunity. It's difficult to find a patient who has not underdeveloped and so I'm this is my seventeenth year doing growth and development mostly across any age. I don't really meet many people in the course of a year that don't need attention, and it's very rare to find a child go to a teen. Go to an adult and have thirty two teeth erupt where they belong. That would be like finding a Unicorn. So! Now that produces your patient pool. It's everyone except for the patient that has all thirty two teams going right where they belong. That's a fully grown human. Being that human being doesn't need any attention. Every other one does because that underdeveloped human is gonNA come with a medical symptom list that you could have an impact on. By the way, my granddaughter. She She's four and when you ask her what she wants to be just now switched from Unicorn to dentists like GRANDPA. Four years. To get her to be something, and but anyway so you're but I have to chase around. It'd be real honest here. I'm still blown away that I missed all this for so many decades. I'll when after me and Dr Glass took our I sleep course whenever that was fiber ten years ago hard to say I mean like just the other day somebody came over, and they had a four year old, and a four year old was playing with my grandkid, but when he took a nap on the couch, he was just laying. There are sounded like marbles word. MUNCHERS! It say okay now. How did you get to be fifty? Before the first time you ever realized that some four year old kid on the couch is grinding their teeth. So know this was in front of me, but my mind just didn't see it, but my gosh I felt when I told the mom. I said I'm Doodoo here that she goes. That's why I can't have him sleep in my bed because he's marveling deal. So so when you hear a story like that. What what's going to your mind Ben when you're hearing about? Child is. That child's suffering. That's that's a chronic level of choking to be deprived of proper breathing, and so that child with resistant airflow you can hear it and see it in the breathing now a human being that's an obligate nasal breathing when you're breathing really well through your nose at silent and invisible, no one should be able to see or hear you breathing during the day or at night and the children that you're looking at if they're sleeping, it's one thing to be hearing them. Them but as you roam around, and you know you get around quite a bit what you should be looking at is how are they breathing in? It's it's very rare to find a child that keeps their mouth, closed and breathe through their nose continuously. Most children are so well are so underdeveloped by the time, therefore that they are now becoming mouth breathing as predominant form of breathing, and the mouth was not prepared to set up the air for the lung. The nose was for the breathing to prepare the air for the lung. So as soon as your mouth breathing. What you're delivering is. A sympathetic drive inflammatory response in a chronic pattern, and that child will then develop all of the symptoms that are listed for sleep, disordered breathing, and gradually because the that child over time is going to continue that pathway or spiral and one day they'll get an essay diagnosis, but the idea is not to let a child graduate to the Osha diagnosis by then it's too late and you've missed your opportunity to create the healthy human being. The is to correct your underlying problem, the growth and development so that you can have your breathing back which should be silent and invisible nasal breathing, so that child doesn't spiral to the eventual diagnosis of Osha. Every patient who gets an diagnosis had a first step. The first step to getting to Osha. Is Nasal airflow resistance. The second step is reading. Nasal. Airflow resistance delivers mouth breathing. But interestingly enough you get your nasal airflow resistance from underdevelopment, so the pathway to say is under development, and the really the pathway to corrected his growth and development, so the child at four. Who I hear that it's it's heartbreaking, but in all my travels a knife had the last decade of traveling to a different city every week to teach I, I'm in and out of airports and restaurants on a weekly basis throughout the country. It's it used to. To be looking for the mouth breathing because I could see it right away, mouth, breathing, mouth, breathing, mouth, breathing, mouth, breathing I got tired of looking mouth breathing. I said I got to find a child who breezed through their nose and keeps together, and it's. It's almost impossible to find a child who's got their lips together for any extended period of time. WHO's breathing through their nose today? And that's all a function of the almost ubiquitous early soft diet. And, so that of muscle use delivers a lack of bone growth, which gives you your so-called crowded inclusions, but meanwhile what the child really has an airway compromise so what we're doing switching the focus from the teeth. To the foundation. Dentistry should it be staring at the teeth because that doesn't necessarily make a healthy human being, it's still important to address the teeth, but it should be. Foundation focused teeth second. Then you solve medical symptoms and you deliver a fully healthy human being. And you know this is You keep finding these different things to life than later you connect them right. And when the Arizona cardinals are the with the Saint Louis Cardinals moved airs on him became the Arizona cardinals just fight random luck. They were about three miles down the street for me. I was in Phoenix and they were on warner down in Tempe and so for a marketing thing what I did is I called, and I got their roster and got the names their employees because the places offense office. Office. I got a military combat. Nobody was getting in there, and so I, made a cop with all the fancy gums and toys and sugar freeze, and all that with all the for all the players, all the coaching deals, and then I sent the two youngest cutest girls we had because you know the guards, not going to tell too young cuties to go away, and they went down there. They delivered it, so we got a bunch of them. At fact, Bill Bidwill, who passed away? Away, he was, he was I. Don't know if I can hip say that, but you know. He came to the office and all that and a lot of coaches on the players, but going clear back to then you know one of the first things of meeting a professional athlete, the one of the first things I remember was and I said well. What's it like going from college to pro? Go well, some of it's just so hard and I said this guy like like what? What Gumi one thing will. They're taken electrical tape, and they're putting over my mouth because of ice workout breathing through my nose covers it with nitric oxide, and makes me perform, and just to break the habit between you know breathing through my mouth and breathing through my nose. That alone is just blowing my mind and Harry is thirty years later, and I'm like Okay I learned that I from a football player, and why did it and now twenty years later I'm hearing it from Ben? Have you heard that band of you heard at professional athletes soon that Oh yeah your highest level. Athletes whether it's professional or Olympic level. Those athletes have breathing retraining, and they spend a lot of time and investment on getting to do the nose breathing and take a look at your marathon runners. If you watch those marathon winners who run the the twenty six mile marathon in two hours, they breathe through their nose predominantly through that, so the better breathing comes through the nose fuels, the muscles better, the brain better everything happens through nasal breathing so if you're going to be. Be the highest level athlete. There's a fair chance you've had breathing retraining as part of your conditioning to make sure that amount stay shut in your nose does all the breathing it's? It's really healthier on every level, but it'll give better performance. You Know I. Just did my first marathon last week. And I almost made it all the way the finish line, but I couldn't. And I had to change a channel and I started watching. I was GONNA say. Oh my God I'm so so. She's twenty five. She's listening to this if she goes to your website. She's got a one hour Webinar by the way. I wish I wish I. Mean You could just post yourself on dental town. What about dental town is on? Social media is just last in first out. It just set up for entertainment. It's fun. It's got place when you're bored. You just scrolling through twitter, instagram or whatever? And I keep getting. Asked all the time when I'm going to post to get on facebook. I had three hundred thousand followers on facebook at Howard for an and after the pandemic said I'm not doing and anymore the reason why is because social me on dental town? It's IT'S A it's index. But If Lorne Pat posted this really neat thing and six on slater I'm like I. Want I want to get that thing she posted. What am I supposed to go to your page and scroll back for half an hour wearing dental town I, can type in Lauren, gates, Gates and boom. There's everything you've ever posted. And so it's fifty four arms. It's indexed and they're six million posts, but anyway the fiftieth one is tm Geena, collusion, sleep, apnea, snoring appliance therapy, and there's eighty one thousand post in that section. It's so it's a plans therapy. SLEEP APNEA TMD so. Kevin when I wanted to ask you is. Number one that I do that right? Should I have set that up TMD collusion sleep apnea appliance therapy. Is there overlap I mean? Do you think it's wrong that I've appliance therapy and another section sleep, apnea, snoring and another one tmd collusion all under number fifty tmd. TMD inclusions madman historian, a planes therapy are those all the same thing, or is it okay that they're separated I you know they all overlap, but I think there'd be some great separation there to move the appliance therapy part of that out, because it will encompass all different of things and I think when you put it in with TM, D. or put it in with sleep. That's all you think about is the appliances that are used for just those specific things either orthotics or the multiple types of sleep. Appliances are better out there you lose focus of all the arch development even retainers, and all the different areas of appliance therapy space maintenance. Things that encompasses by lumping it in with sleep and TMD yeah, they're all intermingled, but appliance therapy would be. Could be its own category without a doubt. And I'm to come back to the question because I know I. Know There's a big controversy in here somewhere, but when you talk about what when you talk about winding the arch. There's been orthodontists have come on this show. The don't believe that I mean you you can. You can't believe that ten thousand eight hundred orthodontists agree on anything So did you get much pushback from orthodontists saying no. We don't. We've been making arch development appliances since day one I'm at the lab right now, so I could walk over in the row. Right next to me where we store all the appliances that we've made over the last eighty five years, and you know samples of 'em, and there's arts development. Zuko, back that far you know. The RPG hyrax was a civil war flights in Jackson appliance, same type of thing they were all developed a way way back before nineteen hundreds eight late eighteen hundreds. So. We've been talking about it forever if it didn't work. You know it's not a scam where we make him one time, and that's all we wanna do, and that's it. We WANNA make them for everybody that needs them and that could be for all ages, and and we've been in business for already five years making those appliances. and. It's so fun podcast in because the way you're sitting in for that globe. Arizona is right on your head. Oh my God I'm I'm right above his head right now. This was my GRANDPA's office, and he has a the map of the whole world. Is the back behind my desk right here around said, which is really cool and honorable thing that I can sit here and do this this way. It is. I love maps. I just love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. Love it and I. Do I, just in fact what I always did. As when I lectured in another country I always went to Amazon and got the best book that was written by someone who credentials you know. They had to have a degree in something. It could just be Cairns. Thoughts you know and I always read the Best Review History Book on the flight over there while I'm looking at the maps and it's so It's it's makes the trip so much more rewarding so again to the kids. I want to ask this slightly differently so I'm asking the inverse of that okay. I'm out of dental school I got four hundred thousand dollars student loans. I hear there's a lot of money to be made in place implants on old people. A lot of money to be made in clear liners visiting lying that you guys are all part of their sleep apnea snoring There's the American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry Putting on veneers. There's all these different things and I can't learn them all at the same time, so so I'm just GonNa. Ask you this. Why should I learn what you're talking about? Before implants or clear liners for invis- line. Well everything is based on the foundation, and so if you have any human being at any age, there's a really good chance there underdeveloped and prior to having any of the teeth, worked on or fixed or added back in. You should really establish the foundation you really you get one good opportunity to get the foundation right so the earlier you see, the patient better, but. But, if you can grow that foundation appropriately, then you can address all of the other things you'd like to do after that whether it's implants, veneers, crown and bridge, all the other stuff becomes secondary because it's based on the teeth, so it doesn't take any of that away. You know. We certainly would like Nice seclusion and a full complement of teeth and beautiful function. Function with aesthetics that stable and comfortable, the check was still applies, but the ideas you do have a foundation, and you do have teeth, and if you address the foundation, not only do you get an opportunity to take care of the list of things you mentioned, but you also develop the proper amount of space for the tongue and have a breather and if you have. Have better breathing and proper tongue space now you've got a healthier human being, so you start to tackle some of the symptoms that the medical community is treating in a chronic fashion by management, versus you're going to be curing them by developing a better foundation for better breathing, so you have a different opportunity to treat a whole human being versus just fix their teeth. That's a that's probably a nicer path for dentistry to be taking going forward versus just the focus on the teeth which. Make it a bad thing, but you can have both. If I may add the relationships you build while doing this. You get tons of referrals and end the trust. They see you as a healthcare provider, not just a tooth doctor, so that really helps to build a business in establish yourself within the day. Nine one thing one more thing to add to that coverted is a respiratory illness, and we are all working very hard to be healthy and have stable immune systems, and the let least amount of medications Ron and the healthier human beings that we are the more weekend. Stand up to our risk of contracting this virus, so that's a unique place that we're in that. We've never been in before, but I don't think that it should be forgotten to. These young people WANNA make a difference and also have have a way to be different in their community. It wouldn't be wrong to include that. Nice nice and Lauren gets. You're the one who made all this possible I. You're the one I reach out to I. was there anything you're hoping that we would talk about today that I? Did Not bring up. This the only things would be to maybe discussed some of the myths in expansion. We get so many questions from doctors saying well. I didn't think it can expand as you get. Older I was told that I need jaw surgery, so I love DOC Mariah to address some of those issues. Where maybe you have some questions, I'd like brand about expansion I got. You you walk into that door when you say doll surgery. What I've always done is I've always said to the patient? If you had to do it all over again. Would you do it? And when it comes to Orthopedic Surgery, I have had several long lectures about how that was a really bad idea and I remember going back to my orthodontist. I mean we're talking. Thirty Years Gone Set I. I. Don't know if I ever want to do this again. I mean I mean? I mean it was just a nightmare now granted or the vedic surgeries, a lot more conservative in thirty years, but then for the the story and stuff Mayenne tease. Co Two lasers and started a routing the back of the throat and I still have patients on six hundred recall that I referred to my emt and they always like to remind me. Hard I still can smell or taste any and my damn food ever since you sat me to Dr Carbon Dioxide Rhoda Ruder, and that is the one thing I wanted. Give away to the kids for free. Is that when you're young? you run out and try out these new things because you're kidding. You're excitable and so I went to a course and. They said when someone really pretty comes in. You know you don't want to gold crown or a PFM. You do a Daiei core crown, solid glass, and you smell it with d'olonne and they're. They're beautiful. So that's what I did for like the first year or two out of school, guess how many of them fractured and when they came back, and they broke I had to Redo the entire. Damn thing for free. Just guess how many what percent of them. All. This angle one of them had to be done, and so so I remember when art glass came out. I don't know what art glass was. The Art didn't stuck for the glass and I said we got to get in on this, and they came out with targets actress I. Don't know what targets as actresses but I know. They had a divorce and everyone. I used in my patients now that they delaminated from each other, and and then when I saw I saw Megan. Megan come out with that that bone thing where you you know you need you need a bone graph. You don't need a bunker. You just pulled a to throw it in this damn garbage disposal, and it'll just pull provided the tunes, and there's your bone mature, and I thought yeah, knowing my luck, I don't know maybe the body. You'll have an allergic reaction. Enamel Center something the whole. So when you're a young kid, remember there's a reason grandpa sitting there smiling. Go, give it a try and tell me how it works because we don't want experiment on her own patients. So what I always tell, the young kids is just you gotTa Know Yourself Aristotle Know Yourself, and you're young. You're excitable. You make really bad decisions. Warren Buffett and they said what is the hallmark feature of how to be an investment guru? And he said well. All I know is all the billionaires. They almost only say no to everything. and. They'll say like one. Yes, a year, and they're right, and then you know who the it is they they're yes to everything they try everything and so My is You know they they. The this is worthy. Another litmus test is. Does anybody do this fulltime? Like like people? Come out and say man. You should just be cosmetic dentist veneers. Veneers okay well, I'm in, Arizona show me. Were the veneer Allah justice is there? Is there a vendor al-agiz at just as veneers, and so I know a lot of people have gotten into sleep, and they no longer do root canal fillings crowns this all they do anymore so I think we're past the fads stage, even though I do think at least. At least a quarter of my friends. By the way that probably seriously weights you to something is. Not right in your head, or you don't have many options, but at least a quarter of the sixty over crowds still think this a fad, but I think it's passed fad stage I think this is medicine fade we've I can't believe we went to our, but but Lauren go through the mess I want to hear the mets beat. Buster, some of the myths are would be that. He can't expand past a certain age. surgeries the only option propel expansion. in adults extractions, Nike are are needed for severely crowded cases. A liners only tip the teed post area opened by is caused by a liners or intrusion. Children's should wait until eight for phase one and Palatal expanders, the upper arch, only those are probably the most common obstacle. Whoever's a you said is true though. Everything me. No, I'm serious that. We were taught. That the mid line were A. Eventually. All calcified is in his dad so that if you do anything, you can just tilt the teeth, but you can actually expand the jaw is that? Is that no longer the case? was never the case and so the the maximum. is nothing like the cranium, and so it's two different worlds, even though they are connected. So you're cranial sutures. Do Fuse your Max slurry sutures never really fuse. You can use the word mature, but the Max Hillary Sutures and there are seven of them that connect that maxine to itself into the rest of the skull. Those sutures mature, but they take seven decades to fully mature, which means you can use removable expansion devices to expand pretty much any adult. You would meet up to the age of about seventy five with with significant success. So just because one, let's say group or area believes that's not the case doesn't make it so especially when you start to pull out orthopedic books to learn about the difference between the maximum area sutures and the cranial sutures, and there are two different worlds, so you have maximum sutures. That can be Let's say. induced to remodel at any age during the first seven decades, whereas the cranial sutures cannot and so total different world between cranial maximum Susan, and it's a lot of what we teach in the course, and then, of course we show case study after case study after case study, where removable expanders are the answer for adults whereas fixed expanders can be a great answer for kids so two different worlds, you just dealing with the maturity, level and children. It's an immature suture in adults mature suture, but it doesn't mean it can't be remodeled. the removable expansion appliances that Kevin was referring to not only have they been used for quite a long history, but they're still readily used in Europe a little bit more than in America, and just because America doesn't particularly US something in A. Majority doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work. And, so the idea is that. We use techniques across all ages for growth and development, it becomes an additive technique, and so in using an additive technique. We ended up giving you back. More tongue space more breathing room, better airflow less resistance to airflow. You end up getting a better reclusion on top of that because you're moving teeth out where they belong in the first place. Nobody's supposed to be so collapsed in any way, so you could check box after box after box. And we basically spent two days going through all of those myths, and what we might have been told and dental school in the first time, either, but we're those two days you talk about the I'm on your website. Where those two days on Air Warren. Hall Solutions Dot Com. Airing US SOLUTIONS DOT COM to our events page, and it will take you to our residency. We have available online and we also have a live course. If. We're able to with the circumstances with Kobe in. In October in Pennsylvania so okay so now I'm seeing online, so if you go to airway hell solutions dot com. And then go to then so the online courses twenty twenty seven live ce hours with Dr, Leo. So that's that's one. That's our adjunct, but are today. Many residency is It's one days Pedo and the second day is adult dentition which you can either take together, or you can take separately. I'm still not finding. The Airway Heltzel. He's dot com forward slash events. It'll go right to the page. I? The others okay, there is. I'm actually Bona fide mentally handicapped. Indifferent so airway. Hell Solutions Today many seminar there it is, and there's Lauren Gates right on the cover, so let's say now. Online received eighteen lives see hours. And how much is that course well? We have I would love your listeners to take advantage of our post. Coping breathing is essential summer special, which is July tenth and July Seventeenth, and we actually taking off a thousand dollars each course, so if you take both days, you're literally saving two thousand dollars and Howard. We did not discount our courses throughout the year. We just don't do it, so we figured this was a great time. We're trying to be helpful with the community. We know it's a tough time. To, Kyle? And and When you go! When it starts July tenth, and is the first pediatric course, and then July seventeenth is the adult anticipation course, but we will be having other courses, if is not what the steep savings that were offering for our summer savings, and then the other thing you can do is if you got twenty hours, if you put one hour on dental town, what it does is it gets them to I mean I don't know. Are you ready? To High I am when Alan. You've been lecturing 'cause. I saw you I think I saw you greater New York meeting like a decade ago. Yeah, I think I've been I've been teaching for thirteen or fourteen years now. Did you ever you ever lecturing and saw some bold fat Guy Way? Out of his chair. I can't remember that incident can't remember. Maybe it wasn't confirm or deny that. I've been teaching for a longtime in a lot of cities so I become a blur now. It's too many to recall them all I now, and it's so tough because whenever you call home, you like Oh. That's so cool. You're in this city and I'm like dude this the ten time I've been to this country let alone the city i. mean there's nothing. In, fact, It's so funny because when you go to these places, we're going to put you in the finest hotel in Warsaw like dude. I didn't come to Poland to stay. At the Hyatt, regency, I wanted to stay in a dentist house. Because the coolest part of it is I'll never forget you know I think one of the coolest things ever is when you wake up in a different country and the dentist. Just if you're a dentist, your family and you wake up in another Dennis House and other family and you know, and you go to the refrigerator you open it up and I I can still remember opening up the refrigerator in. Versus NAM versus you know. Poland versus Russia new just like. You. Would eat near. It's is a bunch of words south, but Oh my gosh That's so cool, but yeah living in airplanes. That's a deal, so yeah, Ben Use put our core are you can post that video? In fact on an MP for you can upload hold video into it I. Don't know if you want him to go to. Everybody has something different so I went, so we went over an hour. I think we've covered this well I. Just want one go away. Deal my homeys. They're they're scared. Some are depressed. I mean really there some of them are they're. They're scared. They're depressed they. This this. so of your Outta school. You can't find a job. If. You're closed down for a couple of months. I I know Dennis my age. That were debt free and we're figuring on selling practice retiring five years now they've had to go out and get a massive mortgage on their house to keep their business alive, so so we're five months into this shit show. July first tomorrow with that. We got a half time for an hour. We have five more months to a presidential election, and that Padi Miala Gist that I know at Asu say we're probably going to go into a fall. We're going to have another big outbreak most likely in the fall, and probably the worst will be over Christmas so between the presidential election and January I. You know the the worst should be behind us, and then next year was the slowly fade away, but give them a giver. A real world talk of what they should be thinking how they can keep their shit together, and how do they? Suck it up buttercup and get ready for the second half of twenty two. I can't believe twenty twenty s only half over. It seems like it's already been forty years long. And tomorrow just over, give him a payback. We'll go with Lorne. Ban Joel Kevin. Give them a pep talk. Give the halftime show. Absolutely when the credit that was airing health solutions is, we can help the doctors we can help you learn a new skill to become basically a whole health physician of the mouth, and that is empowered, not only for you, but for your patience, you can help build their immune system. There's not gonNA be. It's non aristotle dentistry. You'RE GONNA learn a new skill by. By attending one day of our courses, you can implement this the next day. Please listen to our testimonials of the doctors who take our course that share that with you. We also like airway angels if you would that, we recommend patients to come to you throughout the country who are trained by us, so sometimes I feel like an airway matchmaker between the dentists to help build their practices, and then if you need additional coaching and consulting were here for you and were affordable and reconnect customize. Basically plans. That are implementable for you, and you can use depending on what level you are at that. You can implement this right away, so sign up, take the course, and then you're GonNa Begin going down that airway rabbit hole and were there to help you throughout the journey. Nice. Very good and so you know if we think about why you got in dentistry in the first place and get back to the core of being a dentist is to help people. You have a wonderful opportunity to help people, and despite what the circumstances are outside of your practice, you still have to walk into that practice every day with a a goal, a desire to give someone an opportunity for a healthy life and healthy future and free of medical symptoms and your best pathway to be free of medical symptoms, going forward is to be a better breather and a better breather. Adding proper growth and development, and so if you would look if you're looking for a pathway to learn how to you give proper job, growth and development across any age, we have that coursework and mentorship, following and next thing you know it won't matter what outside looks like when you step into your practice, all you have to do is here one patient. Tell you that they're breathing and sleeping. Better and XYZ symptom has faded away then you'll wanna treat every single patient the same way for the rest of your career. Nice. I think all that was very well, said one thing Lorne has been a mentor of mine for many years. In one thing she taught me was to stop. Looking at my life is being tooth janitor, but really being a healthcare provider ever. Janitor. So never heard. That would very good. So as a dental, a young dental professional. They've given you so much information so that you can make a difference and help help somebody. Make you know having a patient. Come back to you and say while you changed my child's life. You changed my life. You solve this problem for me. These are ways that we can really make a difference in a different way I mean we've learned the nuts and bolts about how to be a really good dental. Dental or or head, care provider, but this course and the things that we do are simple and implementable, and we will give you all those tools afterwards. It's not just going to be getting a concept and coming back into your practice did not knowing how to implemented, and so I would encourage you to find a path that makes sense to you so that you can stay on that path and be the best provider. You can't for your patients. Kevin the pressures on buddy well say that's a tough act to follow. What else I can add to that except. I've been involved with a lot of different courses and see groups over the years, and this is really one of the most exceptional ones out there because you get a full team approach with some really really great people to work with that. Understand what you're going through and can really help you walk you through this whole process. We see over and over doctors at take. Take courses. And then they had fade away and they get lost in the shuffle, but that won't be with this team. This team is here to help. Really help you. Build your practice and implement what you're doing on day one after you've learned the knowledge, so I couldn't recommend it highly more highly. Okay. I got a couple of questions if you don't mind with you. Back in eighty, seven I'm trying to think of the man I think it was a pediatric Dennis where I would fly to Saint Louis and learn intervention with pediatric. Movable. Do you remember that Guy's name? My. Dad would know for sure how. It was A. It was what? Dr Wolf. Might have been Dr Wolf. He lives the name of that lab. The lab that was was Dina Flex. We don't say that word, but yeah there. I was bringing it up. Is because back in eighty, seven, the pediatric Dennis and the orthodontist? They didn't sit together at the study clubs because the ordinances say to you what he did is he expanded the jaw, which eight the whole orthodontic benefit of a thousand then they show it with me, and they have no orthodontic benefit nausea. Okay so far. We're only talking about money is. there. Is there anything else to this story but Anyway Long Story Short the PDF. My Pediatric Dentistry Age will tell you that they. They'd laugh when they listen a young pediatric dentists for the controversies silver. Daming, floride or not. They're like shit our day. They wouldn't even talk to each to pediatric dentists if we did any intercept of appliance, and so my question to you. Is that still thing I mean is pediatric dentists doing interception? Is that still a way to get taken off the free? Christmas from the orthodontist not like it used to be I. Know exactly what you're talking about, and it used to be a war and it's. Gross yeah, the lines have definitely faded away from all that we have lots of after Denison. Some great Ortho and at consult with their orthodontist specialists specialties when they have issues and things, so yeah, they'll definitely has eased quite a bit, so here's my red flag new young kids I mean if you're a real doctor, you have one. I say Dr Doctors Latin were Dussehra meaning to teach doctors any teacher just like a Bible. Is Latin word for book? In fact, it comes from the Greek. Port of Venetia I'm in Phoenix, so a Bible's book and teacher is a doctor, does Sarah but the first red flag that you're not talking to a doctor? A real doctor drill teacher has one eye on their human and one eye on cost, and they're trying to drive down the trying to use your brain to drive down the cost of the patient has. Has the freedom to afford self-preservation self mastery. You can fix your to can do this. You know it's all about the patient and whenever we're talking about a patient and your first question is the pediatric dentists used the Delta dental benefit is like insurance. If everybody works for an insurance company, then we're my six grandchildren ago when they need a doctor and. The saving grace of Texas was that my four grandchildren were all born there. I think that's the most important thing that ever happened. Have you heard? Be Texas and know exactly where it is seriously? People in Texas, don't even know where. Seventy halfway between San Antonio Corpus Christi Am. Thank. You you one. There were four people contending on today's show. where? I, when I look at Dentistry I, mean I'm fifty eight. I'm only concerned about what happens to my six grandchildren when I'm dead and I, don't want them to go to a dental office and then called Delta Dental, Delta. It's like you're the insurance company WHO's The dentist? WHO's the person treating the case? That's all I want to know and my Gosh I'm but anyway lasted Ali's. That you to the to you guys are learner. You're both hygienists right? Yeah, you're you're both identities and you both worked for a line longtime time. So I don't work with a line anymore by. For six years, or so or I started out as a territory manager, which was wonderful, because I got to go into the north shore of Long Island two hundred dental offices in see how everyone works, which was an education in itself, you know. All the different offices, but really to to implement comprehensive, Care Airways is definitely part of that, and so I was going to. This is my my most coveted wanted to I've done the CEO of so many people I've never. Been? Able to track down Joe Hogan. Can, I. Bet you if a blonde and a Brunette both asked them on the same day. He'd say I'm to have to do it. I'm going to have to have you ever job because I think a lot of people in Phoenix, they must have a headquarters. There's a lot of managers and other people and. I'm. Sure, they'll have headquarters in Phoenix but. Territories, the must have some regional. Sales meetings there. But I wanted I wanted to do so. The kids how much I'm some change because some people. It takes them a long time to realize that you can't predict the future so I'm. You took all these models? All monies answer. What's the question? The greatest programming I one into stocks and bonds, and they had all these assumptions about the future which membrane sign he told you a thousand times. There is no such thing as the future or the past. The only have the present. You can't take your granddaughter out to the Lake and say. Over there, honey that's that's where the big bang was no the big. Bang doesn't exist anymore. It's gone. There's no sign of it, so the bottom line is on. The? Bottom line is on this. Lookout fast everything changes. The orthodontist were trying to shut down all the competition from a line and smiles dragged and the scanning, and all that kind of stuff, so lots of states were in the process of shutting down Tele Dentistry. And then the pandemic came out. And what are they do? Oh, my God we take that back. We actually need we. We actually need this so so life is a very fluent thing. If. Anybody's telling you where the stock market to be on Monday. They're out of their mind, so then after that the two thousand eight collapse where you had all these algorithms and all this computer technology, and it completely failed them. Where do they use the technology next global warming where they can set up? Some of the earth warms up one degree every year. You know they're all based on assumptions. Based anything. The only thing you have is reality and I think the one last thing you might WanNa think about as we leave as we are in a pandemic and this kind of houses dentistry play, doesn't it? Absolutely ready to line to touch upon that because you're the dentistry quitting. Well a lot of things. Especially, Texas is very difficult as far as dealing with all that and we're working at through our legislation right now. Texas State Award Up. You can do a lot of these thieves. The doctor can have a consultation with the patient via zoom So that is really I think we're a lot of this is going in and Dr Morale you can. Can speak to this because you treat patients as well I work with one of our one of the doctors that has gone through a residency working with her. She's a pediatric dentist. Here in Dallas and a lot of that for us to be kind to the parents, and also their time in a deal out of that assessment. We can do that via technology and. started to do any any of that. Yourself Dr Morelli but I do believe that this really fit into that. How can we treat our patients without physically touching them and so that we can keep that to a minimum? Oh. Yeah, well, not only the consultation, but past that when you're dealing with growth and development appliances, there's a fair number of visits can be done via telephone industry because they don't require adjustments, they just require monitoring and then questioning how that patient doing at that point in time, and so I spent the last three months in New York being locked out of my practice, but any patient that had either a removable growth and development, appliance or clear. Clear liner continued on the track introductory, and they haven't lost a day and that could be done. You know virtually, and so what an opportunity to continue the treatment going, and by that means then you keep your production going as well and so those are the best patients. No one's doing a filling an inlay and on lay perreault treatment. ACLU's adjustment through the computer, but growth and development remove appliances. I can do that all week long. So everybody else. You talk about Rachel your friend. WHO's a veteran Dennis. I always I always had the hardest time deciding. Should I become a pediatric dentist? RB. Run over by a cement truck and I could I ended up going with ran over by a steam engine, but God bless the pediatric. Dennis I can't think of a worse idea on earth. Your Life I WanNa work on screaming crying children. What I always say. What was the other opportunity I mean? We're GONNA have to Shovel Shit in Louisiana the downtime. I mean God what was the other choice were pediatric dentists was the best idea, but that's what I love about people, the people that do Piatra Dennis. They say they love it. I assume that means they're of value, matic or Benzodiazepines or. Probably just drinking listerine, but Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you so much for all that you've done and thank you so much for getting Joe Hogan to come on the podcast next week. Eight o'clock and P south. Thank you so much for everybody. Thank you very much.