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1520 Debora Carrier, RDH, and Dr. Kwane Watson, DMD, on Mobile Dentistry and Fashionable PPE : Dentistry Uncensored with Howard Farran
"It just an honor today to bring back to the show debra carrier. You remember her from episode eight twenty four. I can't believe that was two years ago and now she's back with. Dr cohen wants diaz the ceo of care mobile. Let me read their bios again. We'll go ladies first kwan. Sorry about that. In twenty fifteen deborah carrier already h developed and patented temperature regulating moisture. Wyking anti microbial uniforms and founded twice as nice uniforms. In addition to her many years working as dental hygienist he was also a high fashion model. She took her experience and love fashion in new york city where she worked with and learn from industry experts about fabrics fit manufacturing before setting out to create a new stylish technologically advanced approach to medical and dental apparel. That is saved professional uncomfortable recently. She has established the company. As a niche high-end dental apparel company and launched a new program twice alive to donate gently used uniforms to dental mission trips to current partnerships have louder company to grow and remain manufacturing in the us. She has partnered with her factory of four years in new jersey and is also a key opinion leader with proctor and gamble crust oral b. Who i saw announced today. They're starting to use reusable recyclable tubes. So we'll talk about that later. to present. fashion shows nationwide the dental industry. Another very important partnership is with care mobile producing the sam. Radiation protectant dental jacket. Deborah has been featured in our magazine dentistry today. Dental explore atlanta bestself. Dwi and winner of apparel magazines most innovative company at twenty fifteen. She is a member of the chris council and has participated in various podcasts. Seminars and fashion shows over the past two years. Dippers goal with twice as nice uniform is bringing comfort to those who comfort others. She strives to make the daily life of her fellow providers. More comfortable and safer by providing high quality temperature regulating protected professional looking uniforms. And you can all suceed on my gosh dr phil that. Show the doctors. You've been on five times though. She is a flat out. Movie star handsome fellow. That looks like he could easily be a movie. Star is dr quan. The swan like one lake swan wants but i think a quantum like Larry larry swan In the forty niners alinsky swan. Oh my god that guy. I don't think his body was affected by gravity That's hit a body. But dr john watson. Dds is a ceo of care mobile inc and innovation company. Would they focus on providing comprehensive oral healthcare in single opera tori mobile dental units. He's a nine hundred ninety nine university of kentucky college dental graduate with the degree of doctor medical dentistry. He purchases i practice a year. After graduation the practice tripled in revenue less than five years and was the largest dental practice in west louisville pronounce louisville. I i live. there are summer. i spent a whole summer. In louisville in two thousand and seventy started at high end to nova practice in norton common but soon realizes passion was serving the working class and underserved population. He sold both practices and in two thousand sixteen took a role estate. Dental director for community dental of kentucky in this position traveled the state trading doctors and providing care to those with limited oral healthcare options with twenty one years of dental experience and has a serial entrepreneur with expertise in logistics franchising rules. Dr watson's goals are to inspire and provide individual providers the opportunity to obtain affordable practice ownership and increase access to comprehensive oral healthcare. For all he has served as a consultant for industry leaders in mobile dentistry. He is president of the kentucky dental society. The president of the american mobile dental lions and dental director for dente quests and anthem for the state of kentucky. My well first of all i got to figure out how to meet because ones in kentucky once in georgia. How long would it take you to get in the car and louisville and drive to georgia. How long drive is only six hours. It's not bill six hours. You met on the apprentice. The doctors your on. Dr phil was coming on. We know what happened. Was he mutual friend. Who's also done onto preneurs and was talking to him and said he added idea for this radiation protective at me. Said i don't really want to go into the company and he said i know exactly who you need to talk to. You need to talk with deborah so we got connected that way and then by just crazy happened. Since i was on the phone talking decline and i said well. Let's try to you know. Get together over the next few weeks. I'm in washington right now. And he said i'm in washington right now and we were in the same building and washington. Dc so we ended up meeting. Matt day rest is history. Was that at a dental convention. Yes which were. Nda national association. Why when i when. I spoke for them That was so long ago. I think when i spoke for them the dead sea was just sick at that time. I think that was thirty years ago. How ya i know. I spoke for him in the nineties. A couple of times. I can remember but my gosh. I don't even know where to start. We got a we got a movie. Star hygienists sousa. Well she's been on the show so kwun. Let's start with you. Why did you start carrying mobile. Wow so as. I said i've ended minutes the twenty one years. I enjoyed love. Guinness When i practiced with my business partner with ray to retire i started working to me and i realized how much i enjoyed having my own records owned and operated. But i didn't want to go into debt. Start my third again in my in. So i have dan that will you can never be a business Around into people that want to see and in the process of doing so like this is really working. I've seen about forty two new grayson vermont I could all these the expensive than overhead. I have one assistant. So i quit my staffing. I was outsourcing call centers that my are do this. You know it's cheaper to do. I don't have to worry about location being a barrier. And so we've been. Starting a model vigor now awaits market or other people table amendment. that's how i got into and mobile dentistry. I mean. I remember going back to conventions thirty years ago where they were bringing in a mobile homes one time the ada convention was decided like a semi trailer had like six years. It always seems like it's it's gonna gonna gonna take off but it's really never exploded. Do you think The pandemic might change that as more and more people don't want to go in a room with a bunch of other people that might be super spreaders. Will the time is definitely now You know our mal has always been one chair dental practice. A lot of people in the industry were one Commits just that. One chair in burmese. About reducing the cost Tames right those big bands a lot of money. Bigger the vein at the hire somebody to actually drawn the band which is adding expenses. And so mike. You know having a single mobile unit where i can park in my driveway. When you were my assistant would drive by Is a lot easier way. I'm gonna see multiple people Is more called back to build sioux bands and goes that one location and just back in between between the two bands as opposed to having one man with multiple in your one hundred riot since kobe. Inches amal at grown exponentially You know no one wants to be an shoot chairman In any way of his records on but the biggest difference between us in other people on the market that were doing operatives here. So i mean i'm going to people's own can whenever the driveway Thinkers parks handed imitates earlier today in his line. You name it will be right there. And so it's more about Doing competence of mental care in a way overdue off is a lot less. So what are Kidnappers favor shoes bands than we we grow. Roses are red. Violets are blue eyed. Get in the van. If i were you. So every everybody's been told never to get in the van. Do do kids stop at the van and say hey. My mom told me. Never get into the van with a stranger to the patient. see this do they. Are they think they love it. We'll talk about that. Why do they love it or the less mobile. Who are because we're coming to them. There's nothing like not having to wait in the waiting room for our home. Especially during this time. Social distancing watching netflix We call you. Route are routes reschedule band. So we know what we're gonna we're we're on each day We arrived there. You happen to the bane right out the driveway. You only have one of the person already band to the band to make sure that savings by donald services especially in open environment providing excellent care and you get to know your doctor again. And wonder reasons i really like. The mom were anything is see Twenty patients cents a day to make money. And i could spend more time with my patients and i miss that aspect of been gore went outburst brands a new patient neither name everything about them in the last ten years because is slight assembly line especially working with a working class breakfast at eight gory breakfast. I didn't know my basins anymore. And so i get back pages in this. You learned so much from bill to where someone live about them in about their barmen People that a lot more comfortable in their own environment than they are going into legal practice. And when you walk in the kitchen and all you see is coke and candy and lollipops. You get a better idea on if they're telling you they're eating clean. We don't. we don't go in anyone's house. That's that's our number one rule We stay in vain. We call from debate and you come out to the band and get all the services been in so our bands similar to like amazon prime suburbans. And they're like mercedes burner random weed out. Nice cool in burr system so They're very energy efficient and press the button. Everything going we we need do we on your art van mercedes. Of course we're gonna do right. What type of what type of did you say mercedes. Van de sprinter van the local or the one seventy will face and what is something that something like that cost so so our entire and it's if you're a doctor ignace lytton ambi- involved as one hundred thousand dollar package that we you all your initial women all your initial supplies six months of consultation with me. Martines learn all of our citizens prosperous. Us how do we get bagels. We our patients organically Elp was marketed in Mao facebook wrongs pretty pretty used usually take my places afterward. They posted everybody. School in new innovative in the growth. Potential is crazy. so you Is it like a franchise then if someone wanted to do this licensing so you know. We really don't. It's not a french. Ours is a licensing opportunity. Tiny we just tell you. I want so much in the last two and a half years on processes is sufficiently in effect and so this white label. You call it whatever you want the doctors and mobile finishing if this were mortar right. This is a great agile to your Go out there before you spend half oscalus. When a new location you know mobile union go out there and enrolled that that patient based in that area personally been set a brick and mortar practice. No when my second franklin was like just knew at all because my practice went so well so quickly and in my second practice in the beginning of a recession about seven. Eight in a in the higher end visit realize eyewitness martin's not was and so you know by being more Chair pool in specific making sure that do not like spending all his money. Hoping you're going to be able to be successful next. Location is a great way to do it. So so how much did you say. It costs to do the program thousand. And that gets you the mercedes banned totally decked out with a single chair all your initial In supplies needed to do comprehensive middle tier of your dentist and that even includes six months of consultation with me. So am i teams as soon as you sign the gipper funding. We start helping you. Credentialing be regular insurance. We we have a sony. Babe's reference main line that all of our systems our processes how we market We can help optimization on your landing badri everything you need to be successful in your own respective market. We try to help and for financing purposes. You got an asset. I mean it's a lot easier to get a loan for a house or a car because the bank can re poet. you can't repo twenty-five crowns and bridges implant. You can't report anything industry so it should be fairly easy for a young dental student who graduated four hundred thousand dollars in debt to get one hundred fifty thousand dollar loan. Because part of that loan is a recoverable asset of a mercedes benz van sprinter who you know the majority of the Investment is the equipment's that wise of that world charging roughly about sleep out who on the consulting side for the six months. so you know. All of that verse. Were able to modify where your lender the may you know easy for you. Good bet loan. You're looking at this as a of doing business for yourself You know i miss you know. I started my practice The graduation doctors aren't doing that anymore. in it allowed us because of how much alone amounts and That's a huge barrier. I think it's a huge issue or Populations that want to have that one one here and not have a different doctor every time they go into some of the corporate groups or you know. Just look at one on one with your doctor. And how long have you been doing this. I've been doing it now for two and a half years so you know we. We were doing this. War kobe kobe and now all of a sudden people as a pretty good idea. You know that you came up with you. Know being bad started around bit when we know the friend introduce deborah and i is actually a mouthwash the blast in zonta. I've been using spotter for two years on the ban because we use it to help us more efficient Before teledensity was like a necessary thing. So we come a little out solutions and the bills based on different technologies like jack of their renowned partner with and cool software. That helped you with the this exciting to make it worse. Julia turn easily for for dentists and hygienists To the business world so it says on your website so you go to care k. a. r. a. dot moby mo didn't know moby was a domain. It's is does so what was moby originally for do so khair mobile the dental too. But i i love that care. So a play on the word c. a. r. e. care are e. dot moby. That is cool but on. Your website says a safe and mobile radiation resistant technology. Salmon's here we are taking preorders for safe mobile. Radiation resistant personal protective equipment for anyone. Indirect contact to radiation exposure when taking x rays reason healthcare annual occupation dose limits are between twenty and fifty ms. We tested this product with two and a half times that exposure limit with less than one percent penetration. Total weight is a pound and a half compared to a seven pound lead apron as twice as nice and care mobile collaboration. Our lab coat meets and exceeds all requirements for personal protective equipment protection. Our product is registered with the fda. So so what was going on. What's different about a van versus office. Where a a safe and mobile radiation resistant. Ppe was necessary. We will burst. Brana is good for both the and but this distinctive about your in a closed space right and enclosed sixty square foot tin gant. You're you're taking x ray in you're not able to get around a wall to protect yourself. And those days are balancing all walls and in the law or regulation You don't have let take next rig neck. Bessie both Assistant and seven ground leading britain's frontloaded. It's awkward in summers on a heavy in hot. Where once again. We're doing ripping out everything you have to wear that the entire procedure has i mean. Is there anything out there on the market. They'll be lighter in weight. In the regulation says they has been lead based orlando material. provide the protection saws Purchase bella bills standards. So that i wouldn't have to wear this lead edwin I'm i can x ray in the out there. So called the patent attorney up in rining equivalent i a- testing different materials to us To provide the protection was able to find a product built. My momma was a homemaker teacher. She sold kotite together herself. we tested Meh there were met loved her product in a. Hey you know we partner up being a great idea of out the patent on Love your Payroll in your scrubs and we just did it all and you know we meet. And she created a bomb product aware in alloa Of being part of art ship you know the thing i do with my boys is. I'm that old trick where on The first of the year you have all your hangers pointing to you and your shoes pointing to you and then when you were throughout the year i'm you face it the other way and it's amazing. How at the end of the year you you know with four boys raised him. They they didn't they didn't wear half their stuff. And there's something about close where you know. A kid walks in his room. He's going to go to school and he's got all these shirts and pants but he always passes on these certain shirts and he always gets this one And close really does affect your psychology in fact on your website care moby. When you're trying on that jacket the you look like you're batman and you're smiling so big it looks like you're you're just having fun. I mean close really can affect your mood can it. You're only needed. It makes you are like people will be decorative they using say on. What's the the major. I'll talk yeah and our my gosh But i'm so that is just amazing. So so the jacket is the big part that you're doing. Deborah is so does off partnership In the band things that we need it on that is between me and my business partners. the jacket a business that Boever an ira partnered up once promotes up throughout the dental industry. We don't want to be. Were being being bed. no bass boats the radiation. You're pregnant pregnant assistant. You know it's the last like the occupational limits is still present aware. We're normally and so just having that assistant were. This jacket will walked around spicy lydon's opera. Dory of practices is why not. You know gordon in reject usceo wrestling with being car. This isn't a jacket that everybody in the office has to have to have at least a couple in every office. I hearing from so many offices that there have people that are pregnant. people are trying to get pregnant. Or just we all think now digital x rays that were safer and we are except we all know that radiation is cumulative. And it's still. We're still getting and i mean if you don't line it up Exactly right you're still gonna get some scattered radiation so it's by making it. Look like a regular jacket and making it comfortable. Then you know it's not really like you're calling around to lead a brennan. The other cool thing about it is. We took the radiation protect fabric around over your shoulders back to your shoulder blades so it also becomes ergonomic jacket because it forces you to sit up straighter stand up straight which we all have wrong data straight. So it's comfortable and it's you know and at the same time so. Bauer never removable thyroid. Collar as well so it just snaps on and off C- could take that up. Then you know like dr watson. He wears it all day long but he can put it on. When he's actually taken me x ray or just unsnapped hang to the side mutable now. Deborah is a lot of these. Was the reason that you got into this. Because you live in a van. Down by the river farley chris farley but i got interested because i'm super passionate about dressing professionally and dressing comfortably undressing safely and this just all the criteria. When i met democracy. Now we have to do this. I have to do this dental people and it goes way beyond dentistry. I mean anybody that uses radiation. You know medicine veterinary anybody on a lot of people in pediatrics. They stay in the room when they're taking extra day so there's a lot of people out there that we we need to protect. So are you sherlock holmes and then he's watson which ones homes and which one watson but watson catholic school there resigned. You know i was in college. Go from know kindergarten to the end of creighton and it was all uniforms and there are two types of people in every year. You know have two kids like me loved it because you didn't have to wake up. And think had four pairs of pants and four pastel colored shirts with my mom so them all and then there was that artsy crowd where they just hated their uniform and it was the worst thing in the world. I love dentistry. Because i get out in the morning i get put on a uniform again. I think about this man bat and all this crap like that. But i do notice for my experience of that you know. Have the people like a uniform. The other half dome but men. It really does affect their mood. They if you don't like the white you're wearing or how it looks and i remember Doing this with the kids. We know they would say it doesn't match and you're just sitting there thinking what the hell is he saying. How can that not match. But it's very very important to visual animals like humans that they light they wanna look. They want like the way they look in the mirror. It's really impacts them to a big extent. Yeah i have a quick story. When i first got out of college and i was working in a big group practice in chicago and There were four other hygienists working there and they all had a lot more experience than i had. And after six months of working there. I noticed that all the patients were asking to be put on my schedule and i couldn't figure out why because i knew these other hygienic. You know had more experienced meaning they were probably better i jensen. I was our doctor every month. But give us these goofy little awards and every month. I got the best dressed award. And i started looking around the office. It what the other hygienics were wearing. you know. I look like i know him. Do i look more professional than these other. Hygienists look and that says a lot to your patients your patients really they respect you and there are studies that are out there that show that as well. So it's a it's a bit of using there's a lot of graduates some six thousand year and they come out and there's the here mix things but some say you should dress for success. Listen and have whatever look you want and other say no you should look like a doctor and you should wear scrubs and the the white thing and then other people thank wall. I don't feel good like that. I wanna wear you know. I wanna wear you know what i would wear on whatever and it. Just put a lab coat on but when you say dress for success and you're a healthcare provider and we sell the invisible when i go to the store and buy a bottle of water or an iphone. You know exactly what you're buying but when you look at me and say you have four cavities. I know what you're talking about. I only i can only trust you. And it's very very difficult any business where you sell the invisible because it's all based on trust and it's all based on trust and presentation and all that stuff so if you were coaching dentists and hygienists to sell the invisible what is what is the look to. Come off like yeah. He's professional i believe. I believe him when he says i have four. Cavities and i trust them that. I'm going to let them do that. What what what should be going through your head personally. I think everybody should be on scrubs and lab coat or now even an isolation gown you know especially now you need to keep up all your pc with kovin what guidelines are but the biggest thing is you gotta put together and you gotta look clean and we got. We went through a phase where scrubs were like wrinkled pajamas and those are horrible. And they vade and they stain and people would just keep wearing them to work and you can not sit there and try to sell up fifty thousand dollar implant case to a patient when you look like you just rolled out of bed and you spilled your lunch all over the front of your scraps so to me need to be polished and wear scrubs. Don't wrinkle don't fade anna and we're allowed the makes you look you know put together one. What do you want to add to that. you know you. You can't be partner requires nights uniform in most brains. Of course i'm dead down my choices. Nineteen groves our in one. Hundred percent. her scrubs don't wrinkle they don't bay and i feel like i consistently liberal. You know there's two stories that really shook me to the core going that i'll never forget going back to When i started in eighty seven i had a woman associate and one time she went together. Shot and an old man. Who's about as old as me as now grab your wrist. Shot and he said. Shouldn't the doctor do that and i thought to myself. Well what did you relate in a hospital bed and some guy came in with a tool belt on and he had you know drills and pliers and screwdrivers and he started started to start an iv on you you you would think. Why is the maintenance man doing an iv. on me. And i thought to myself that is not his fault because everybody is mad as dumb. Oh man i thought well he. He's dumb. Oh man how i mean if an i said this day ford the receptionist the hygienist the denison the assistance are going to have four different. Looks i mean we are no duplicating. You should be able to walk in there and say that is a doctor. That's a hygienist cynicism and that was a really good thing and then the other thing. I realize how lucky i was When i got. I lost my bald senior high school and so when i opened my dental office i was twenty. Four and i was really paranoid. You're twenty four year old kid. You're your baby. He's going to trust you and there's like four five older dennis across street that were far better than me. They're mar experience. I'd have them fix my teeth. And i was always getting second opinions from them and they'd always say well. I'd rather you do it because those they're so young and they look like beethoven and these guys were five years older than me with a bunch of hair and here. I was a cue ball. And they're like the just assumed. I was an old man and i thought wow. This bald head really sells old older age experience. Whatever and you know how when you get older you know like when you go into dental school class. I mean you almost like gasping. How young students are you like. What does the daycare center. And and you're like you just want to check like so you went to already went to college undergrad. And they're like yes. I thought to my gosh. So now that i'm at this end. It's like what advice would you give to a twenty four year old baby that walks out of dental school and looks like they're not old enough to listen to a justin bieber. Song let alone do a root canal. What what advice would you give them to look more experienced and trustworthy and someone you'd want to work on. You did do have to dress like the dental professional that you are. You're highly educated highly talented. You've got to dress that art. Could on lab coat kennedy Get in embroidered with your name and your credentials and stay looking put together and start and going back to what you were saying before about. I'm one of those people on. When i dress i liked to have my statement pieces that you know who i am. So when i'm in an office with a bunch of people that have scrubs on just like me there's other ways to stand out and i know like you friend. Who still you still. Do you wear crazy shoes like different time at tennis. Shoes like wild. Look yeah so. That's a way to express yourself and i make Surgical caps that have all different kinds of colors in a different patterns on them and stuff. So there's different ways even add little touches to your to your uniforms. But everybody's still look you know polish professional while you're the only person on earth that ever noticed my my my shoes that i've ever talked a mouse. But i got to tell you about that. Is you know as you get older. Your feet would be sort into the day you know. I never felt that in your twenties and thirties. But now i'm fifty eight and you stand all day and so it was about five years ago. I went to a podiatrist and he said all the all the shoes are junk except for new balance and a six and he said what i would do. He's just where the house. And so i went and all the tennis shoes looked like they were all designed at a lsd party in san francisco. I mean they're all orange in purples and reds and but there were so comfortable and my feet didn't hurt the today but it was so funny because all the runners all the athletes. Everybody knows what a pair of tennis shoes looks like. From across the room albright it was always a conference pace in peace and that was i started doing that when i did the three arizona arizona iron man three years in a row and in fact the greatest part about the pandemic is that they had to the arizona. Iron man and i i wrote the rhythm letter said i think it should be a permanent ban. I never want to be tempted to have to do this. Damn thing again. It was so horrible Three times but yeah. I mean shoes are a big deal and that's why i grew up with five sisters and i feel sorry for him because i see so many women. Dennis and their sport knees high heels. And it's like dude. You're twenty four. You can't do that when you're forty four or fifty four or sixty four. And then my dieters told me when i was talking to him about that he said that eighty percent of his patients or women from wearing high heeled shoes her whole life whereas men when you have a flat shoe. Half your weight's on your heel on the ball your foot but he said women. It's double bad. Because they lift up their back foot and then they pull in their pointing toes and so what would you say deborah on the shoes. I mean anything that you're comfortable in. As long as they're clean and look nice and they're not old ready tennis shoes. Whatever you feel the most comfortable because the your who are if you were high heels all a high-yield just any hill but if you were heels all day or your feet significantly more sore at the end of the day than if you were say tennis shoes minar. Because i don't wear them all the time but i know women who wear high heels all the time and they're more comfortable them so it's just kinda you know up to them. You know what they want to do with that. i think. Switch to the new balance about subaru. So what have you turned forty and had to switch to new balance. Is that how the story goes. I did pretty much historic. Yeah i mean it's it's just a huge difference. I mean you just i. I couldn't imagine wearing anything that makes your feet sore at the end of the day. And there's even some tennis shoes you can get. I found one pair new balance one time that was completely black and that was like five years ago so almost kind of looked like a church shoes from twenty thirty feet away but then i never found him again. But i'm sure if i went online. There's a longer tell them tori so one who is most you've been doing this mobile dentistry for You said how many you're three years three years and how success going who's mostly been interested is that is it a first time kids out of school. Is that older dennis. I'm who's who's been your initial customers. And who's targeting. You bet over two hundred injuries. In the last reminds in so it's been a wide array a lot of Some new doctor in some existing records owners especially the park oberlin. Everyone had shut down on our little for other opportunities out there. By services for people so it's been a pretty broad array of equal that have been interested in it so it's been exciting We're we're excited about some expansions motor states next year In later this year license were so right. Now you're only in louisville only move right now But we have licensees goodwill in florida betas detroit so we to expand into l. areas are releasing and You said hygienic inquiry. So can hygienics do. Independent practice in kentucky are in other states are moving but bayton In some states hygienist and eleanor state sippy As a we asked Identifying states where they can Either work independently or do so. In collaboration with dennis and sometimes by dennis interested we'd go out and try to help on dennis. That will be partnering in that respect and to me. That's one of the most embarrassing things about dennis. When i when. I hear these dennis talking about united states and freedom and liberty and justice for all. I'm like dude. You give money to attorneys at the ada that make it illegal for them to own their own business. And i really deep down inside wish that you lost your us citizenship. And had to go back and apply. I mean i just cannot believe. I mean humans can rationalize anything if you if you said well. What's a human and all the other animals. All the other animals live in the present. I mean when that zebras eating. He's looking into lion the tiger the water. He's always in the present but for us to be aware of our own existence. We have to leave the presence and these been half the time in some fantasy wally world. That doesn't even make sense and in colorado where they legalize a practice. I think i've met almost all of them. And they're all in small towns under a thousand they all just use the when you walk in their house at first room to the side. They took out that dining room table. Which is a joke anyway. I mean whenever you see a china closet. It's a museum for dishes. That have never been used to hide anything from anyone in the house. You always put it in the oven. No one knows. No one ever looks in the oven. And they put an old dental show their and their neighbors combined they pay in cash. They're not using den tricks or software you know they pay eight hundred bucks whatever they would to get their hair nails done and then she sees something concerning she writes a little note and gives it to referral and those doctors in the seminar were like oh yeah i'm like One hour down the road from her and we love her because she's already cleaner tease. She saw something is wrong. She comes in and then to hear all these dentists who are so proud to be in america while they've taken away the right for this hyginus owner on business and it's just so it's just nauseatingly discussing and now they're doing again with dental therapists. It's they show him okay. There's areas in alaska that are bigger than the state of rhode. Island would not one dentist in the area. And so we're gonna train dental therapist on a snowmobile and drive two hours out there and help someone and who's against it the dentist so it's just gross. I mean Only way you can get better as competition. I mean what would the nfl be if you got rid of the arizona cardinals All the other teams are just you know useless But it's it's the it's the competition of arizona cardinals that makes all the other teams go to practice and want to get rid of all the hygienists and dental therapists. But talk about that for a while do you do you think hygiene hygienists. Going forward will be a more likely in more states to own their own practice. Do you think independent practiser and they're also talking about dental therapists. Which is another huge controversy. I'm i'm a member of in. Builder is only narrow rises especially in areas where is a large number of underserved population than there is no other opera in kentucky in eastern and western kentucky needn't west local or mop practice. Was the number rackets. Have greatly diminished because audibility has greatly diminished for single racks owners. Out there and so why not. I mean people meet here If aren't going to provide the care why not have the identities Do the preventative work. In with oversight over dennis especially with all its Have out here and all the technology we were. You know i can. I can view x rays without being exactly on the van. I can do seem still have been as bringing in in provide adequate Comprehensive examinations without sitting right there Jersey so yes. I'm definitely braver of expanding. You go to resort and you go down the resort and you know your wife can do all these things you get your hair done. Nails done massage all that stuff. And i don't my hair done nails done and it's like well. Can i get my teeth cleaned all that that that'd be legal i'm like we're on a cruise ship out in the middle delusion. Well you know it's still you know they're licensed back in miami would be in jeopardy if they were doing cleanings out in the international water. Because that's how the florida dentists you know in their absolute darkest hour paranoia. That was their best idea to make sure that nobody on a carnival cruise line can get a cleaning in the middle of the pacific atlantic oceans so more logistics. Do you use do insurance billing. Ppo what is your practice management system. The we used engines. It's in right now. The learning process reading our own Software we want to create a software that will integrate all the nuances of the logistics components of the practice in automate the schedule rocks process for patients. So we're we're not just a Main me company and consulting company where we also wanna create besides software. That will a doctor in being bishen improper was obstacle in the mobile unit especially one them go to multiple locations in a day. So were you born in louisville. No my dad would be deeds moving around arkansas state. So my dad opened up. He had five sonics in which saw but he opened up one. In louisville kentucky and the opening crew i was on the opening grew. So is my I think this is between junior and senior year summer. What are those summers louisville and stayed there for the whole summer until i had to drive back and go to school that was extremely memorable because in kansas all the fields were Wheatfields and a whole different culture. They grew tobacco. And in fact. I just let it. But if you cross the border of louisville. You're into indiana right. How far are you from the state. Line of indiana. Oh right across the line. So does the laws change for your business model in indiana versus kentucky. So we're taking each state who wednesday. At time. i have a licensing Would be diving since civics of the law there to make sure that we're making sure that our providers in our license compliance net indiana's. I haven't been the research miss. So you know the the bottom line is you know. History repeats itself. And i remember when bob barkley was flying around on an airplane trying to get dentists to adopt this new hygienics thing and it was met with massive resistant just like the dental therapists and everybody was against them. In fact he died in a airplane. Flying to ac- actually died on his mission to do this. I'm bob barkley was just just an amazing man and the arguments were. I don't have time for a hygienist. Because i'm so busy pulling everyone's teeth and giving him immediate dangers and he had to sell them on world. You want your children to grow up and lose all their teeth and one immediate dentures and and it was just had a brick wall and the bottom line. I wish what everybody when you're hearing all these arguments set of thinking we'll hyginus will take away my right to do cleaning okay. Well you're not doing cleanings. You're extracting all their teeth and immediate dentures and now this dental therapist is doing fillings. Well most dennis. I know hate doing fillings. I mean when when i walk into a room and i have an upper quadrant of four am od composites onto three four and five. I'm not jumping up and down looking for my fruit of the you know my curios. Damn that's that's a lot of work. I mean to four m od composites in one hour with a rubber dam and do advice. You can invest that. That's just one hour a bust ass hard work and if the dental therapist wants to do that and then the dentist is tell me all this that but they talk about everything. But the patient. And i don't care the top line numerator dennis therapists hygienists denna quiz insurance all those issues because the denominator is the patient and we have to keep one eye on the patient and one iron cost are. Americans won't have the freedom to afford to keep thirteenth and it should be patient driven and it just seems like the whole dental agenda is just dentists. It's all about the dentist. Is they standing there. Saying you know. Mimi so-so mimi so-so mimi self. So self me. I'm like it's not about you dude you into dental school for eight years for the patient. You need to find that spot. Don't you think mobile dentistry allows more access and availability to another section of the marcus. Thirty dentist don't even take medicaid and so you know i've noticed my area in west louisville from ten practices to to twenty years. Why do you think the dental offices. Taking medicaid shrank from ten to two and your lifetime in louisville profitability doing that same goods retain an assistant six dollars an hour. Twenty dog now but another thing that drives me crazy about that is all say well. I can't take medicaid or medicare ppo because profitability. And then i'll say okay. Well there only one hundred dollars a filling and analogous will last thirty eight years. So why are you doing a rubber dam and a direct composite and taking all this time and so it's like when you tell them you gotta switch from a ford taurus to afford escort. They say well. I'm still gonna do the four ford taurus. But i'm only going to get paid for a ford escort. And then i'm going to bitch about dude if i give you fifteen thousand dollars. You can't buy a thirty thousand dollar four tourists. So why are you doing cosmetic postseason composites and then when that dentist search doing amalgams and he's so he's profitable doing medicaid. Ppo's and all that stuff. Then he goes to the dental study club meeting and everything. See that guy over there. He does amalgams treats. The poor and feelings lasts twice as long as yours but they don't seem to be able to adjust to a lower costs down. I mean go on the whole time. You've been talking i haven't seen any year molars so why why now. I just saw some more now but the bottom line is number. Why does the second molar. Why can't a second muller not having amalgam which lasts is made a metal last thirty years and then people say well. I don't have enough money to do it. And they're doing a direct composite with a rubber dam. The takes half an hour. I don't know. I think rb is about giving the same quality of care regardless of what their insurance dictates. But i agree with you on that bitch about it. You know if you sign up to help the patients than you know this but an amount but when you talk about colby academy my gosh i mean. Imagine the fourteenth that are most likely filled drilled root canal extracted replaced with an implant is a four six year molars and. That's why i don't even believe in sealants. Because i think the fishers need to be removed. It needs to be a direct appraisal composite or an amalgam as the state to stop that whole headwind. And i just think man god if every kid in america got four aclu's amalgams when he turns six. No one would see him. No one's ever gonna see him. And my god think how. Many root canals crowns bridges extractions. Implants just that one little feature what we do a lot of things. Wrong industry amalgam laos longer than composites. And then when you have space around your teeth of era on your teeth so you don't have any inner proximal decay so whenever kid has spaces between all teams we sent him to an orthodontist to pull them all together so they'll make sure they'll be area without air. 'cause we know we won't flaws every day so we spent six thousand dollars to pull together so we'll have a whole bunch of inner proximal decay. There is light but So so you're using dead droops ascend but are you going to try to put on an an. I see that you have a links to apps on On your website is is the opinion now. Yeah yeah and so that's our nba. We actually started. The company is an application to connect patients with same day. Dribble trying to help bill. medicaid access but medically operation with a billion drought doctor in the state of kentucky so That was out accompany excess. Nardi wasn't x. Mobile dentist wow. so so. how's that going. Also so we limited in made the application part of the process to reregister your women so we take all your medical history on your insurance Through the application. So we've got a couple of thousand people with download. The application in this marketing. Use it so request. Mobile dental and expansion is the reworked software so a be utilized by providers in basil's throughout the country as expand our licensing. And how was it but easy programming development. I mean is it easy to find programmers or is a big challenge. Some not nothing about that. Abed whole process As up progress in the last two years in got more acclimated in Area of Create relationship woods For summer that helpless create multiple software. We have some other software that we're creating help with the logistics sil- of mold injury so We're getting better at it. It was not something that i knew much about. But i surrounded myself with some good people to help me in that area business. It's what i tell. Every young kid know always asking me now. I know they hate it but ios ask them. What do you want to be when you get older. And i always tell him i said dude. Imagine eighteen eighty eighty percent of the planet couldn't read and everybody said they were illiterate. But if you look at from like eight hundred. Eighty to nineteen fifty. I mean that that was one of humans greatest for eight thousand eight hundred. One thousand nine hundred was had to be one of their finest centuries so they weren't really illiterate but they definitely couldn't read or write and now it's the same thing it's like ninety percent of the world can't speak any computer language and the kids that learn a computer language. I mean i've been watching it big time. Since i launched dental town in thousand nine nine but the kids at learn any computer language they just it just opens up so many doors for them. And now you can all the courses you need to learn how to program in any language are all for free on the internet. There's a million places Have you thought about learning how to program. Is that going to be your next to learn. You know you know more about what did do stuff more you know about it. So what are the features of your app. That that you're most excited about. What would what is your app like. I'm sitting here thinking if i asked all my patients to download the app for today's dental i if i made today's dental app Worst i be thinking about what what was. What's the advantage. What surprised you. What did you think they would love. And it didn't work was the most is Just eating we re application As is harder than you expect unless you tie it to something they really want the now it would be as being that was apprising to me Would they like the most that is way to get in separatist easier and more but do you think in the future that more dentist will be having app a personal app for their dental office for all their patients. I think that i've noticed though a larger in per starting my app on like dr out there and I in the aids more touchless of women you can see software being a major player in. We're trying to create software. Now that's going to automate process to eliminate some costs especially when it comes to the desk. Costner calls are you going to let them Schedule their own appointment on your on the app. I mean some dental offices are having online appointment scheduling gwen. That is the plan. Wow i'm gone. If someone's interested in how did they contact either of you for These these uniforms the the The sam uniforms would. How do they contact you a for mobile way to get a hold of you guys. Either one of our websites twice as nice dot com or chair. Local is a copy we are and can there's eight hundred number as well. We have customer service people so the definitely give us a call the radius jackets or in production right now so we need to change that on the website. We're not saying yards anymore. We're taking orders. So they're they're ready to go and one being. I wanna dimension about our lab coats and the radiation protected jacket in these times of kobe. Now these jackets all snap completely closed so a snaps close to the nagy. Stand your colorado snaps closed at the risk so you are completely protected. when you're in either just regular lab coat or the radiation protect allow code as well news as far as the interested in being licensing. You're learning more about on your own mobile doing You can contact me a w. a. n. k. a. r. e. dot emory are Semi email. oh love to chat with you shopping videos. You want to come to kentucky We're seeing patients and spend a day with us to see they experience for yourself. Adam this This hour i think is important. Accidents huge important. It is to be able to cry. And you know the Again when you look at. Dso's they all target the same neighborhood median household incomes above sixty thousand dollars. And they're all going to the same side of town and it's only aspen that sit there and said well. Let's put a removable partial lab for dentures. And parcels reliance and they're targeting the medicaid population and in business. You're supposed to go where they ain't and in arizona. We got two dental schools and they graduate. They all want to go to the richest part of scottsdale. And there's dennis on every corner and they don't realize that those homes are a half acre and they only have like two people living in them but when you go to the poorest part of town an acre with an apartment complex on there might have four hundred people in there and you don't have any competition and if you say your overheads to high well why are you doing an empress direct composite under a rubber dam with the laser. I mean when you go to mcdonald's you don't say hey. Where's the tablecloth on my table. And where's the into lear. And it's a hamburger. And i love their hamburgers and i think their quality and healthy and grade. And i do know that if you don't know that an amalgam restoration lasts twice as long as an inert plastic restoration your drink so much kool-aid. I don't even know where to begin. Because i lost you at math. Chemistry physics and biology. Now you're in some purple kool-aid land. What was that guy that used to run through the member. Mr kool-aid run to the wall. I mean you know. You're you're beyond mr kool-aid so when you get a lower fee you don't have to reduce your quality. I mean look. I can go to taco bell and you to talk for a dollar and go next door to michaela's restaurant and to tacos or seven dollars. They're both tacos. But i just love it. When dentists are entrepreneurs and youtube or flaming entrepreneurs. I love it. When people challenge the status quo. And it's so exciting to have both of you guys on team dentistry Thank you so much for all that you're doing for dentistry. Thank you for your entrepreneurship. And it's just been a complete honor to broadcast interview today on one more other funding or doing during cohen is. We're doing virtual fashion shows. So if you have a c. e. o. Or meeting or something out a little bit of education and fun along with it. We can offer those as well. Wow that's all right. Well that's my next job job. Is i want to be fashion runway model. This might be my door to start working my way. But i saw the first time i met her in dc. She didn't tell me in the bachelor planning on doing for designing on stage. And he did an amazing job. All right well. It's been an honor to podcasts. And watson for two hours on entrepreneurship street. They so much coming on the show.
Part 2 :Sid Fernando
"Said Good Morning. Good Morning I caught the last thirty minutes of that was really good. You were referenced by Tim Tim. Tim provided a symphony reference. Really in the parts Folkman is article. Yeah yeah that was yeah. That's what he was. He was circling back to and we had a great conversation when he called me You know get only use some what I said but what did he referenced me about the same thing that quota John I mean the the you know in the complexity here that that I think we we only you know you could. I could spend the fifteen hours a week. doing nothing but deeper analysis of this The Industry the complexities hell just complexities. Within the breeding and bloodstock side of the business are so extensive. There are so many portions Shinzo of this business that I don't even say are across purposes even though there is plenty of that but there's there's so many different kinds of interests that are represented from the start of a horse's career to The end of their life and within that I mean I I don't think there's anything comparable said. Is there anything you can think of that. It has more different components involved. Yeah it's it's it is complex and year. The conversation you guy was absolutely first class. I was one of the best Your comments your opinions on what he said. You know encompass quite a bit and Tim's real sensitive to it but you know one of the things that I you know I even said it was part of a long statement but he he just you part one quote where maybe sound perhaps like my wife granted an open. Okay yeah you sound really hard at work where compared you know like I said I viewed Horses livestock kind of what you were talking about reference to that whereas you know Tim just now said that it's not just actually interest scoops party society at large. which would it is often mentioned as well It's it's very complex and it's one part of this bigger issue of animal Not just safety but animal welfare. That only touched upon in the game. Because you know guys like Tim Writing About this guy's a joke grade handsomely discussing breakdowns And animal special interest animal welfare groups pita if speaking about this sport. And you know if if you're honest about this the reality is it gets back actually what you were talking about going up with four H.. Kids and they realized they treat animals with great care. But they realize what they're gonNA be. You want to be really honest about it It's an extension of that in racing because nobody talks about. Is that eventually for a lot of choices You know they're they disappear and where do they go you know. It's pretty obvious what happened to them but nobody touches that part of it. That's that's fair. I Yeah I mean you you do see that comment you know. You can't save everyone and the you know you you can you can. Also you'd be amazed at how how hard it is actually to keep track and monitor auditor. Where where everyone goes I mean I? We've we've had. I don't know we've been involved with. Maybe how many horses probably thirty thirty five horses. I suppose and I know where the majority would ended up but I I I can't I there's a couple that I really am not certain where they are and you try to you. Try to follow. I suppose this is a a yet another conversation about the the microchip the option. And you know we've we've dragged our feet as an industry and not just us but all equine sport you know. Why are we not microchipping these sources so that we can you know Geo track? Virtually anyone and this is as you know maybe one thing that the lady that was some people don't want to know where they are and where they end up. I mean that You know I think we've done a a a very good job. In this all gets back to acceler I mean and the and Ferdinand. I mean this. This was a revelation to a lot of a lot of people even within the industry. So I kind of woke people up and ever since then there's been this pronounced and very successful effort to create second careers or at least create out saying ah I mean. We've we've made huge progress tremendous progress in this area so yeah absolutely I'm a huge progress from within the industry. And that's that's really been nick liver but I but you know again it's neither. That's part of the specific part part of what I was bringing up but the reality is is that you you you know you get all every year They keep running and imagine when there was fifty thousand older again Yeah what people really think what's happening happening to those those fold to urge number of fold you know and if people are so concerned about You know hundreds or thousands But whatever the number is that they breakdown per year on a track We're talking here ten thousand. That's why to be in this gain Personally I you know it boiled to that. I'm an animal. I love animals and You know when I when I was wrong. I was very traumatized because they came across young dog that somebody tied to offense and two beaten up and it just really really traumatized me and tried to the kid. Try to go through. You WanNA help animals and and as I grew up I realized. I can't control every single thing and as a self protective mechanism I I just went into like no. We control the animals within my life. Or you know help sphere of influence right exactly. But I can't even entire thing and you know that's just a personal Moment of China's one guy trying to figure out how do In that thing and I think what you wrestling was really important for people to hear that four H.. Stories really resonated with me because Kim conducted mattis grooms and how they loved of course they do but soda. Those kids. You're talking about the brought up. Respect the animal and they showed up in the care for them but they know where they're faded eventually eventually added and that's the mindset that At some point you gotTa have a reckoning reckoning with the people in the industry to once they get beyond trying to put out this brushfire. Breakup is a bigger issue for everybody to address draft reconcile themselves. Well exactly that that part of it is central to the discussion. And I just I I find it I find it strange. I mean we. We've we've arrived at some a point in in these discussions or in society at large where certain people seem hell bent on on imposing their. You know they're not even will so much as it is their sensibility on others. And you know I. That's certainly is something that that that's certainly something When the pinion sensibilities coalesce on a widespread basis? Yeah that that will affect change but the the critique here is to me is is overly overly is overly acute and critical knowing how much progress we've made as an industry and people can can scoff at that all they want but it's only even in the last ten to fifteen years. We started even count. How many horses were were true? I I met I in fact I mentioned that maybe in Kim's article Article When you asked me I said seventies kid following racing seventy it was you know again? It's it's a change that we've had add gradually as but this these breakdowns didn't just of me happen in the end fifty years. That's what people have to understand is that it's it's always occurred But there's now The societal changes were people are It seems really aware that you know An animal at the bit now naturally and so I and great changes have occurred because of that sensitivity. And you're part weren't mentioned it About the breeding act of it in terms of In terms of Dirk Great Dirk as saying is you've is obviously the big component of Irish here and breeders Kind of we acted against the force mandated synthetics in California and then later the very synthetic revolutionary plays they mandate they they kind of UH Revolted against that because what they're feeling was that the nature of the American racehorses changing NJIT nature basically what that American ways towards is have become. vaunted in valued the world over because of the rigorous testing that they've had over dirt. It's a very unforgiving surface. And so those that the American sarum whatever. The Great Secretary's Day triumphs answer over some of the toughest ground and they're known for that great combination of speed and stamina toughness which had made the American way whereas the most desirable rates worse for for or other countries. I mean if you if you take the Sunday Japan where everybody's talking about High Greg Racing Japan Look at look at your sheet need a brothers brought buying mares at the sale rate They they Vanya your father Purchase and and sent over the Derby winner Sunday silence there who revolutionize could the entire gigging industry there It was a dirt horse. Of course their best racing in Japan on turf they Fifty fifty dirt and turf in Japan but eighty percent nine percent centigrade races on turf Japan. That's the main element. That's where Sunday silence prime if you talk about Europe and and we've talked about this before they go more magner talked about how his great grandfather no buying made his name on the quote unquote on the backs of Dirk Horses and quote. Well you know. It was at northern dance revolution that took everything to another level. Northern Dancer Derby winner of course it's project and Starting with the last British triple crown winner completely revolutionized the game in Europe So much so that the northern Manchester Stallion Sadler's wells sire iconic sired Dowell. WHO's the greatest Siren One of the greatest in the world and the Greatest Iron Europe. So you know it's a dirt that Is what the breeders wanted. When they rejected the synthetics? It was because they felt that their horses weren't getting the proper for Tasking that needed to happen and you know I sent somewhere. I can't remember where maybe it was on twitter. But if you'RE GONNA if you're gonna go that route then have the not to stand up and say look we're GONNA lose some more break conventions down but it's our goal dirt racing and we want to have this product that we can only develop over dirt. Surface chryssa unfortunately. It's GonNa create this otherwise say we want safety and we're GONNA do Only synthetic surfaces to it could to stem the tide of breakdown but instead of going one way or the other guys in the business straddled sense they would say anything and so they're constantly pummeled on every side There there's no voice that they can. There's no one single going to begin with. But there's no method that they have to articulate. This exacting told you the truth in which had no idea we were gonNA. You know we'd end up in this direction but when keeneland invested in in the polly track Iraq Company and foisted this synthetic the first edition of the the rather unprepared I of synthetics on the industry which is largely responsible for the for the poor taste in everybody's mouth. I mean the the promises that were made aid that that ended up being completely hollow about how it was maintenance free and it was ambien being condition pure that nothing was going to affect it. I mean all of these Pie in the sky promises that that none of which really panned out it it. It created this atmosphere where the the from the better to the the track management. That's a you know. Virtually every part of the equation Were were completely disgusted by the experience and that has given the impression that you know that the synthetics aren't the answer when they very well may be but I'm curious. Do you recall said because you would have been you know right on the Right on the pulse of this did keeneland management consult with the breeding community when they made the transition and introduce the poly track. The first time I think I think they did but you know what I I don't think anybody realized in those early days what was going to happen. So in other words Nobody nobody in their wildest dreams ever imagined that that scenario would favor Turf type of horse today so what ended up happening because these were early days was suddenly guess. What happened the first time in history? A Horse that could project essentially just ran on turf for all weather became the leading sire in United States General Sires kitten's joy. That will be huge revelation. Okay because this is dirk country and and the thinking at that time nobody you know there was an anchoring that it was gonNA favor some turf wars but they did understand and the the full ramifications of it. Of course he's raw too early days. As you pointed out of these these synthetic tracks that are much more sophisticated instigated now the the tracks is dapple and in England that Dickinson has overseeing Wolverhampton and so forth both those tracks Really incredible safety record. Have if you're talking. I think I've seen figures like the zero. You know like here. It's like you know one. Six five thousand is considered good. I've seen figures of zero point two three but anyway you were getting back to this question Once you became evident and forget about the condition of the track everything once it became evidence that this was starring to favor fourth. And that's when you had the reaction against it came on of course don't forget they are. They are built around all the big guys and there are you know. Part of the biggest bill the Kentucky Breeding Industry So yes they did have that backing it was the reaction to the results that resulted in the repeal. That surface And so that became that was. When it's it's it's Super Ironic? Actually because has that became repealed. There was a concurrent movement in this country for more turf racing so ironically venues such as Saratoga which is more and more than fifty three fifty percent of all races at Saratoga. Now on turf turf you can take your tires me every race there and go requiring whether it's a stakes race or maiden Maiden whatever it it is and you just take the number of races and look at what your turf for dirt simple. Math ballistic fifty percent of the races are on surf. So it's it's it's it's it's quite amazing that as the synthetics were repeal. The highest levels of racing in this country were getting more turf worrying The same thing holds true for del Mar too by the way it's like forty percent of the rates. Then they'll mearns very funny. Yeah the biggest money is still available. Prepare for it and if we want to fold in the the Horse playside It's it's not that it's quote to quote preferable but it it certainly an area that that the playing community just loves let me we get. We get battlefields. We got you know a lot of trip trip Action and and you know very very marketable so from that standpoint. I mean that's probably being instigated for the track fact that you're getting fuller field more That led to that X.. Probably that exposure curve but however even prior to that he be just take one subset had of graded stakes races been close to thirty eight forty percent of on rated stakes races independently of the explosion of turf breaking. We're already unser out. We're we were in that direction. That'll be moving in that direction. You know for for an extra ably really. I mean well. We the potential to to make it even even more prevalent it This is not a anything we're going to decide on immediately but If if the cause as as tim laid out said continues to be championed and that drum is beaten a more steadily. There's there's absolutely going to be A move and a need to incorporate synthetic. Because it'll tell it'll it'll tell a story that the industry would be proud to champion at that at that point Yeah I I think that you know. I've talked to West reward the other day and he he was telling me about his opinion turf perforate has had saved so You can just you know you can do anything on that thing with a horse and And do not they're not gonNA get hurt which ironically was the complaint that I heard some? There's one breeder going to breed her with name. I'M NOT GONNA say but his big thing against synthetic once once they were you know running fairly reliably was that he was just mad as heck that or it's with leg the problems that wouldn't survive racing on dirt could win big races on synthetics and then going to the breeding pool And breed and if that had been tested on dirt there's no way would ever survive the rigors of it and so he was complaining about that same safety mechanism on the inverse and that horse would issues has more life on synthetics but he takes those problems into the bleeding shed because of the success he's had on the surface and essentially what they like taking to the breeding shed or those towards that you now survive the the pounding and even if they didn't survive even portions with abbreviated career showed enough brilliant on on it. Go into that shit so it's really A. It's really an interesting discussion when parted from very filter walker. You know well and all of that all of that goes very simply to confirmation and to the physical makeup of the horses in question and the other two different different. The two different physical equations involved in horses turning over when their hooves slide on dirt versus sticking on synthetic or on turf and it. It's that simple. I mean it. It all has to do with their action and and the way that they're conformed pure and simple and I if it's going to long-term be a scenario where where the breeding is going to have to ultimately go in the direction of of of the turf preferred type physically then You know then then the industry will you know. The industry will conform the market. What the market demands will will dictate and and We'll see it. You do get the sense and I. It apparently is a conversation that it's funny you know you've pointed this out said that that you know the Jockey Club in particular. They seem to only want to have one part of the safety. The in welfare discussion right. They they've conveniently ignored this one because there isn't a ready answer to it and and they have not. I mean if if if the concerns were widespread in complete the initiatives would include an exhortation rotation to the industry to move toward the synthetics at the synthetic and turf which you know just have have lower incidents of calamity and that exact thing was something I address in a calm During the the San the need issue Kind of actually Brought up the Jockey Club because we recall during the of breakdowns with exact during the highest level of insanity when people people were screeching at each other during that period when the The Jackie Clubs lobbyists and and people introduce insulate its version of the integrity. Act in the house and so You know the crux of that thing. Is Cyprus. Other things in it is is a lasix issue. So I pointed out that They introduce this thing. And if you're really concerned about welfare well why didn't they also and make note of the fact that the synthetics at Santa Anita had in the the ladies have been far superior safety wise and the dirt point to the example. You know that they had one part of the issue shoe now. Jim Guidry the president of the Jackie. Call me directly after that to discuss it. That had been unfair about it. You know Listen to him. And he's guessing guy I like them a lot. Of course represents a bigger group and he has to Go with whatever that coupling lying in but you know. I didn't mention Jim. If you're going to bring that up you your Your organization needs to step up and at least mentioned the the safety of the synthetic. Of course they can't because they beat those guys in the beginning business. Don't want that right now. Right so You know there's lots of conflicts folks that Tim was talking about and you were and and you know. It's it's a matter having to work around it ironically It was really really funny because Just on Sunday I was at the World Premiere of Katherine Katherine to Francis. Joseph Francis life she to work in daily racing form and Racing Tyne. She's now filmmaker. Made a great film The world per year and at the after party just ironically Jim Guidry Ottawa's there and also it's Jerry Brown aunties migrate. PC okay. I mean I mean late fees and you know probations anti against against people. Who are trying to fight it? Which is Jockey Club? So the two of them were standing right next to each other And it just it's finding out. There is a physical representation of two diverging views that they were you know. Speaking quite gorge really liked each other. Find out they've even gone out together before. And Yeah and when I spoke to Jerry Jerry. 'cause you know what gyms real reasonable reasonable on this. But you know he's got a big cock is behind and so So that's you know that just shows you that either there are these major issues out there. The people be behind the issue of human that interacts speak and they can very well Cordially come to some I'm kind of middle ground if allowed to right. Well that's that's yeah. That's the scenario for countless issues that You know where the loggerheads are so. That's why I brought that one up because that's a good way to go watch TV. Right now I hear you all right. I'll actually that's all right. Go ahead I Because I I will wait till next week to summarize the sale. I don't know if you heard Nicole Rousseau's She was terrific yesterday kind of hitting the some of the big stories stories I will sell today. And there's a number of racing prospects changed hands a lot of international bloodstock maneuvers Some very interesting themes regarding regarding The new sires and in foal mayors. And we'll get a complete summary Said When we talk next but actually actually I forgot to tell you this? I'm GonNa -CATION so we'll get together when I get back. No that's fine that not well then. Happy Thanksgiving he's giving Where are you spending thanks? Happy Thanksgiving I'm going to be out of the country. But uh-huh be Europe somewhere on a bike nice undisclosed location all right. Give us a travelogue. If it's Tuesday it must be Belgium and the we'll we'll see where it takes. You said as always appreciated by sire watch pedigree focus brought to you by hill and Dale a little bit Those pedigree asks was all pedigree. Obviously Glenn our friend Glenn who sent in a question for said Glenn will ask that question of said when he comes back in a few weeks. Let's take a break when we come back. Though Joe Manning the Louisville Story Ori Program better lucky than good the current title that the program Oral Histories. But it's way bigger what what they're doing with this story program it's wonderful and they're on earth thing just a variety of community. You Know Enter Interwoven Communities Throughout Louisville. And they're letting adding people tell their stories and it's magical really special. What they're what they're doing and we'll talk obviously about this book and about the Churchill Storytellers but also give you a feel for what the the concept of the Louisville story programs achieving Joe? Manning joins US next at the races just recently with Steve on Sirius. XM Radio Hey. What's going on Mike here and I'm going to tell you about an offer from my good friends at express but let's be honest? We know you love playing the raced But you can't always make it to detract. Sometimes life just gets away of a good bet. What if I told you about a place we never miss it back and you start with house money honey? I'm crazy. Right will not express bet you first hundred dollars are on them. 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And said I'm going to send you a book from this project that took place on the backstretch oral oral histories and I got it and so right away that it was going to be interesting and captivating didn't get a chance to really read it until I was flying back from Breeders Cup when I had the the long flight on Tuesday night and read the first five stories and and was just blown away and could not wait. I knew we were going to talk to either. d'arcy Thompson or Joe Manning or both and Joe's the one that joins US Joe Real pleasure and congratulations to you and Darcy and Liz Sawyer. Everybody involved in this really to me just fascinating project. Hey Steve thanks so much for having this is really a pleasure. Thanks for having us not at all it yes it aw is involved on the racetrack and and telling stories That that any horse player. And he stakeholder anybody that's a fan of the game name is going to really enjoy. There's a lot of that but the best part of this is discovering what you are all doing with the Louisville story program which is unearthing stories and lives and experiences that generally early go untold. That's exactly right. You said it best. That's that's amazing. I've been trying to come up with a pithy way of describing what we do in Louisville for for for a long time and I think you really hit it on the head I mean our work at Louisville story program is to reach out to folks in our community and just sort of give them the tools and opportunities needed to the amplify their voices and stories so that we can sort of know our neighbors With a little more clarity and depth and especially those folks we don't hear from often enough And you know it. It is not relegated to Louisville Kentucky As you said with regards to this book this book is relevant. Sort of all over the world. Both of folks Who are interested in race tracking horse players and the like and also anybody who likes to feel like they need to experience The world from another person's perspective these are really in depth and rigorous and berry humane stories told from the inside out And in the voices voices of our of our authors I didn't write this book. We didn't write this book. We're just sort of vehicle for delivering stories of of folks who participated in their own words. Words that's the case with with this and with the other With the other pieces that are part of the collection of the Louisville story the program. We'll touch on those as part of the discussion. But I'm interested first of all in the origins of how you and Darcy and the board and and how all of this came to even be whether it's a grant or a how sure this was even conceived as a project. This particular project on the backside is Our Sixth Book so Little Story Program. We kinda got the got the wheels throwing in the winter of two thousand thirteen. When d'arcy Thompson the director and I sorta dreamt up a sort of publishing idea focusing at first on youth authors Half of our books are are written by young authors and high schools We reach out to two High Schools in Louisville you know whose students are from traditionally underrepresented populations And we conduct really rigorous meager is You know eighteen months long college Level creative writing workshops and just sort of give him the the tools and opportunities fraternities. They need to write with extreme depth and clearness and and Attention I write about their lives and experiences and also conduct oral histories and their neighborhoods hoods. The other half of our books are conducted in a little bit of a different fashion. Like we did on the backside which is to do in-depth and Rick Cursive Orel Histories with folks. You know. Sit Down with folks many many times and just listened to him talk about their lives and experiences and then work with them collaboratively lead to edit the transcripts of those interviews into a narrative into a first person narrative. I don't know if you remember STUDS terkel but He was a sort of folklorist and oral historian a and radio man and he had a couple of books that were that were written in in this way Sitting Down with folks letting them talk about their lives. And then just sort of editing getting the results of those interviews into clear first person narratives and the way that we collaborate with our authors really gives them authorship and that's why we referred to them as has authored so the folks who wrote these. Who wrote this book did so in that manner which is a really rewarding way to to make a book and so You know we think of of our job is reaching out to folks. We don't hear from often enough and I as a LUA billion. I've lived here my entire life. I grew up here. I've been here forty thirty two years and and I am not unique in the ways in which I have absolutely no idea about rates tracking and Churchill downs and how Folks folks you know engage in the industry and spend entire careers most Louisville Ian. The home of it you know the home of the most iconic race track in the world the Derby city mostly civilians. Just don't really have a great idea of what goes on at the track and on the back side so we knew that it was the perfect environment for a deep dive documentary humidity effort So spent three years hanging around on the backstretch as you probably know. Race trackers and not Immediately the most forthcoming crowd in the entire world Especially to an outsider. So I really did have to sort of embed myself in make friends and hang around for a long time before I turned on a tape recorder. Richard I'm just getting the lay of the land But buying by I was able to really make some Some fantastic contacts and you know make friends on the backside And so we spent three years back there Recording a lot of interviews and really really dive in deep to to get these stories it they really cut a just a remarkable swath of of experience to. I mean me there. There's every part of life on the racetrack represented in the thirty plus stories. Yeah I I tell you what Steve. It's the you know to have worked on this book for three years with all these folks to get to the publishing date and to start. Getting feedback from folks is more rewarding than I could have possibly imagined and for somebody like you and the racetrack is that I know on the track to have such a positive response to it really blows my mind and it just means the world means so thank you for that and it's because we worked really hard to do just that you know Just published which a representative Sort of sampling of what the backside of an American thoroughbred racetrack looks like and who lives there and who works there and what their lives are like just a brief glimpse But but we think a pretty thorough sort of a thorough undertaking a thorough example of of who works on the backside. And it's a lot of people you know at for our racetrack. Churchill downs something like a thousand people come to work back there every day during a meet and you know literally. This is a village. In South Louisville that is fenced off from the rest of the community in most folks just have no idea the nuance and sort of vivid community that exists on the backside of a racetrack. It's fantastic There are a lot of a lot of dedicated folks. You know Grinding away seven days a week every like I say every other day besides Derby Day in South Louisville there's something going on on the backside of Churchill downs the the stories. I'm curious if if after a certain point once you engaged and once you had you know had a few of the visits you know in the can did some of them you know kind of come to you. The people seek you out. Talk a little bit about The interpersonal Portion of this and how words spread because there's an emotional wallop involved here joe that at a that had to be taxing to hear some of these stories and when it comes comes to it in particular you know the the Latin x component of of this and and some of the personal personal you you know harrowing journeys I mean the lifestyle is demanding When you're familiar with Greg Wyler story Uh there there had to be you know some real jarring and emotional toll taken as you acquired. Acquired these these stories. Yeah no that's Couldn't agree with you more of about all that Steve But I wouldn't think of it so much as an emotional toll as much as an opportunity and I'm not just spinning it. Here I happen. You know I'm I'm actually the perfect guy for my job 'cause I I really adore am honored to sit inside of a couple of headphones and listen to people that they talk about their lives and experiences variances. And I know because I've been doing this long enough that when you sit down with somebody and say hey. I think you've lived a a remarkable life. I'd really like to hear you talk about. Can we sit down for an hour and a half and and sort of get to know each other It means the world to people to be given that opportunity and to finally say their piece you know. In their own words I think red is a great example Because you know her life has been Played Out and lived doubt very publicly at at times And there have been some great sort of profiles of Greta written before. But think about it like this for somebody Eddie. Who's lived a very public life to sit down on? I don't even know how many hours of interviews credit and I did many And to say to say her piece in her own words and Organiz her life story in her own words I get the feeling from her that it was. You know it was restorative and it meant a lot brought to her to do that. That's my sensation. You'd have to ask her but regardless her story in the book is a just an amazing the story of of you know trial and triumph in and it's really it's a really humane telling of a sometimes joyful four and funny and sometimes You know taxing and burdensome experience that she's had in your life like all of us and that's the whole point that's I i. I love to do the job that I that I do is because I get to hear from people telling different sort of varieties of the same types of stories. That's the whole point is for people to be able to listen to somebody like my friends. cristobal resented. trae ho Or Christina Banana Who Seemingly? We don't have very much in common with and who have lived lives that are Really remarkable and sometimes harrowing as you said but their impulses the things that are important important to them are just the same as the rest of us take care of our families. Be Good to our friends have a fruitful livelihood. You know what I mean gene and so There's a real opportunity for a book like this not just for the readers but I think actually enraged tracking. I mean as somebody. Who's who hasn't oh you know hasn't spent a life on the backside? I recognize Some divisions in some gaps of understanding that exists in racing that I think everyone would be well. Served to sort of shore up So to have the experiences of of different sort of sections in communities of of Thoroughbred racing right next to each other one. After another in a book I think is a great opportunity for everybody just sort of like I always say get to know their neighbors with a little. More clarity Everybody wins when we when we hear from one another. You know what I mean absolutely and and perfectly put Eh I would. I would go even steps. Further by incorporating rating the potential for this book and the stories within to to generate empathy in some areas that our society at at large is really lacking and it. Yeah yeah that's true. I'm really glad to hear he's too because you know I always like to think that if you get stuck in an elevator with anybody I mean really almost anybody. If you spend enough time with somebody you you will invariably have an empathetic connection with them and And understand the ways that we we are not only similar to But reliant upon one another. Jeez I mean really when you think about it. The racetrack is a perfect example There's a thousand people on the backside of Churchill downs because there needs to be a thousand people on the backside of Churchill downs to put on a horse race you know what I mean So we all really do rely on one on another. Gosh what an awesome place to hang out to At at somebody who didn't grow up on on a race track I mean it was thrilling And really really cool to be able to get a get a real glimpse at what goes on back there at the blast there's there's other portions of of the stories as as you and I'm only what twenty five percent into it. I've got another another twenty sections to read but yeah wanted that I'd the already did I mean I I loved it. Loved it a third of the way into into Bob. desempsey's opening chapter. That is yeah. That will absolutely just We'll rock anybody immediately. And and you know particularly given the backdrop of what we're going through as as an industry or Bob Specific story regarding the best horse that he that ever came his way and losing that horse the way that he did that will strike At at the heart of of everybody that wants to understand the the sport and the people that are involved. But one of the things that that I am really uh struck with is the generational elements here and the way in which particularly from the groom's the the the time line of the the kind of of People that have come to the racetrack to grew Morse's and the book actually has got that that passing of the torch essentially from the African American groom through the the greater part of of the century to the Latino community that that has taken up really taken up the mantle and it. It's very evident here and I had both both the joy that the that the stories the groom stories in particular regular towel. No matter how hard the work is. We'll have everybody smiling. Absolutely yeah I I I agree with you in in You know one of the real Fantastic parts of this book for me was was learning more about My City neighborhood. You know the the city I grew up in a neighborhood where I now live But you know between this this book and another one conducted in the same part of Louisville. I just fell in love with southland. And we bought a house down here in Arizona family now And also to to learn more more about the generational impact of the neighborhood on the backside and the presence of African Americans from South Louisville just filtering altering generation after another onto the backside. And what that's meant for a lot of people we are one of the authors Sylvia our net just. I grew up literally in the shadow of the twin spires. From the time she was a kid she tells stories about hanging around at the at this place. They called the chippy joint. which was a a little juke joint in their neighborhood when she was a little kid? All the kids play outside but she talks about when the seasons you know when the meats would come in and all the horses would start this show up so it all of their friends who have been gone on the circuit for a year so In everybody would be hollering out through the neighborhood. You know so. And so's showed up so and so's here and she'd go down and see Jimmy wingfield hanging around to the joint Sylvia's she's an elderly woman. Now was a kid when wingfield would come around and to have that direct connection to such significant History in racing. You know right here in the neighborhood was a fantastic way okay to be introduced to the to the history of south level And Miss Sylvia runs a bar down on Broadway and West Lewellen. She's going to host F You know we just just launched the book last week and and here on the twenty first she's going to host an evening of sort of storytelling sort of bull says for African Americans as you grew up on the racetrack. So we're going to have sort of a party. It Seals Lounge and African American race trackers are GONNA show up and just started swap stories It's GonNa Tommy a fantastic night. There's there's so many names and faces that people are going to recognize even if you're just somebody. The shows up at at the downs Derby week most cats. And and of course bushier retired now but There there there's one after another that You know you see and you know summer summer. Very much behind the scenes like Sherry stay. Emily At the backside of the wonderful learning centre lane. There's I just I cannot gush enough about Joe about what is achieved here Thank you and like you said the the the inter-connectivity I think you know how could you know ooh But all everybody is relying upon one another back there and so for instance You know I I came to the backside backside because Sherry Stanley had had put on craigslist and she was selling some some book shelves at Moved Back To town and needed some sturdy bookshelves so I went to the back side. Learning Center to buy these bookshelves met Sherry. And I said what do you guys do back here. And she told me about it and I started teaching English as a second language at backside learning center. That was my introduction on the backside and in that time I got to understand what an what an incredible community it was And so I said Darcy man this is the this is the spot. This is the story that nobody has really published yet about. The you know the history of the backside and the community that works every day here in the Derby City to you know put on the races at the world's most famous racetrack And so the sort of document and live that interconnectivity was really really Fascinating gratifying and and somebody like my friend Merlene Counter Hernandez WHO graduated high school last year? Walks hots in the morning being in the same Barnard's her dad. Oliver Brothers are exercise. Riders She she got a job also at backside learning center and we SORTA deputized Merlene to conduct a few interviews and the book so she interviews Stare Sherry Stanley. She interviews day the from the Chaplaincy And so in that way we were able to to sort of even get deeper into the interconnectivity activity. The back side had access to parts of the backside that we didn't And it was just. It's just an amazing thing to to to have documented documented and into I've lived through and now to share with everybody else and so thrilled that that it comes across the two readers like you that it really does ring out how interconnected the backside excited the other thing that it does. And I'm sure that I'll discover even more common names and themes needs it brings back to life any number of of venues and moments and individuals. I mean just in the first handful handful of of chapters Jerry Roman's father who was taken at a young age and and Blackie Huffman alphabet off men's run throughout this miles park uh-huh lives again Through through these stories absolutely yeah. It's it was really a treat for us to learn more about that. You know I'll tell you one thing. Ah I if I had it all to do over again and I. We tried but we were unable to to document the history of Douglas Park as much as I wanted MHM. Douglas Park was another racetrack. Just just a stone's throw away from Churchill downs yes Right in the neighborhood and a lot of race trackers grew up. They're in sort of cut their teeth there But they're just the photographic evidence is next to nothing as far as I can tell And there are still some stories out there and I know a few folks Who who raced there? So I'm hoping this winter When folks are on the road to conduct a few more interviews and get get some in the can about Douglas Park fascinating history there? There's there's actually a there was something either this past derby or maybe the previous fall for Breeders Cup. There's aerial there's either Google map aerials or aerial photographs is that show the the circumference of the oval of Douglas Apple. Yeah you can. It's still there. It's still big. It makes for a really weird traffic pattern in that part of the neighborhood Streets come together and all kinds of weird angles and and interestingly there's a what's called the Americana Kinda community center there now. which is a meeting place for a lot of the immigrant refugee communities that live in South Louisville so it kind of comes full circle? It's a pretty neat sort of object a demonstration of the way. The neighborhood has changed in the way. The racetrack has changed Yeah but it's still there so the pillars that there's still a pillar that say Douglas. Douglas Park Right there at Americana. It's a cool a cool history in a not very well documented but we hope to kind of get there and in subsequent interviews. There's so much of low of all that that has got just. I mean for an incredibly vivid story lines and this was obviously a natural role. I want to just wrap up and tell everybody you know to buy the book without touching on the other you know. The other are books that that people should really and I'll certainly be ordering a myself but I want to tell everybody about the the other. The other things that are available including the photography which obviously is a big part of of better lucky than good We should add the photography's and the photographers that are included in the book. Man Boy we got take we. Just you know sometimes it just feels like Providence One of the authors Carla Griego who works at the museum as The horse relations Sort of liaison We met Carla by happenstance dance and she introduced us to a an old. Groom who work for Neil J Howard for a long time. He was an amateur shutter bug. Who just off? There's a whole central fold in the book which you've probably seen of candid shots on the back side from the sixties and seventies and eighties and it just absolutely makes up the visual visual tone of the whole book. It sets the standard And that was just a casual chance introduction And I don't know what we would've done without the photos of Clark Audie WHO's become a good friend and is just a race horsemen extraordinaire And some great eight pictures from Pat mcdonagh the courier journal as well and just a just a slew of great photos from the contributor. Yeah the visual usual element came together right at the end nearly gave me a heart attack I was scrambling trying to get photos up to the bitter end but But it came out really. Well I think thinking especially with the hands of our designer shelley. Mary Jones who's just a phenom so It's a good looking book and we're really proud of it it. It was a labor of love You know like I said at the at the book launch the Other Day We know it's a Good Louisville story program because book because because it took absolutely forever Immense resources in a ton of people to put together That's how we know that we did it right So we're really glad to to offer it to the public and the other books folks can find on three program Dot Org are Some of our high school books. No Single Spero makes the summer which was written by nine young women from Iroquois High School just up the road from Churchill downs. It's a absolutely phenomenal book. Written by six Immigrant Young Women in three American young women. It's just it'll blow your mind the Passion and Real clarity with which these young women I have documented their lives. It's incredible and the photo book you mentioned is available light which is sort of Hardcover book honoring the legacy of Bud. Dorsey is a fantastic street. Petar from West Louisville And you know a book from the the Kentucky School for the Blind Another book from Shawnee High School the Academy at Shawnee was our first. Burke was a breakout hit and really cool documentary book called. I said Bang which is a history three of the dirt bowl. The dirt bowls pick up basketball tournament. That's been going on in West Louisville since the since the mid sixties It's just a fantastic document of a really important community building after it's been going on in West Louisville for a long time so that's our that's our library and those are available like I said at Louisville Story Programme Dot org but also at at Amazon Dot com where your listeners can find better lucky than good I'll send out links to to everything what What's on agenda? What what are you looking at And and what what is down the road for the program. Sure Yeah we've been. We always have a few balls in the air so even when we wrapping up work on better lucky than good. We've been starting work on their next youth project a year long to semester long in-depth Kosovo creative writing workshop at Central High School which is A really important high school now in the history of African American Louisville It's GONNA be a fantastic project or a few radio elements to now teaching a podcasting unit. So this will be our our sort of second iteration of the audio storytelling unit The last one was was broadcast on our local NPR affiliate and was just a just a jar dropper. I mean really fantastic stories I'm from from you know Folks in Louisville who might have never otherwise been on the radio the listeners may have never heard stories from some of these folks folks and they are arresting and humane and really important stories. Just like I mean you know if I don't say so myself All of our book I think are are truly important in and We're just so so honored to be the sort of stewards of so many great stories in Louisville. Well Oh and since you brought it up I will put in my own plug there. There is no place I go ah where I'm not listening to our own network to to Sirius. Xm except except when I drive in and spend the two weeks in Laville for Derby because WF pl is as good a radio station. And and I don't have to to qualify it by calling it public radio. It's as good a radio station as there is anywhere in the country the the music and the talk shows and every them the music is beyond belief and FBI is is an exceptional exceptional. Just I it's amazing to me actually and I I look forward to getting into town to to have the FBI L. on all all week all two weeks great job. Give me a buzz next time. You're in town Steve. There's something that's been a blast to talk to you. Thank you so much. I can't thank you enough for the time and for this effort and for making permanent The voices of the back stretch and the community In and around the downs a better lucky than good twenty five dollars is a bargain. Uh for this and yeah I mean that's a little silly by Dr a really it is. It's crazy that it's twenty five dollars and it's beautiful the pictures and the stories who finances the the story program. Well we saw a lot of books And we also write a lot of grants and We have a you know we have we do development here. The Louisville Story Program is a five one three nonprofit. I'm very small group There's three of us just just six months ago. We are higher third fulltime staff And outside of that Darcy and I have been working on these books You know since two thousand thirteen just take with a lot of community support And with regards to our youth projects are are authors are paid an advance on their royalties for their work since two thousand thirteen authors have earned. Thirty five thousand dollars about In in royalties for their work. Well and there's the section at the the Website Louisville Story Programme Dot org where those that are going to be instantly fascinated by this you. You can volunteer your time and skills as well yourself and a volunteer and Joe Darcy. We'll put you right to work all right. Thanks Joe Manning everybody. The Louisville Story Program better lucky than good tall tales. Straight talk from the backside of the racetrack. I can't I cannot tell you I. I'm a quarter of the way through and one after the other it's moving it's uplifting it's an informative just not your frankly will not believe how engaged you'll you'll be by these stories. Let's take a break bottom of the hour our seth marrow. Speaking of engaging and enlightening and moving joins US next at the rate with Steve Vic on Sirius. Xm Radio U. D. R. F.. Sports for digital edition your ultimate weekly Benning Guide published by daily racing. Form the R F sports for delivers all of the analysis and insight. You need for every NFL game more than forty college. Football matchups beat the spread with powerful trends and sharp angles tapping best bets. 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Kentucky Democratic Gubernatorial Candidate Adam Edelen
"Hi, Melissa Milano, and this is sorry. Not sorry, where we tackle social political and cultural issues from the perspective of unapologetic guests while highlighting citizen activists doing amazing things throughout the country. Today. You'll hear my conversation with Kentucky gubernatorial candidate, Adam Itoen, and even if you don't live in Kentucky, you'll wanna hear this conversation Adam is energetic, and is so passionate about education, creating new jobs for those who are reeling from the loss of coal employment. He is pro choice. Not taking any Pac money and is pledging his cabinet will be made up of at least fifty percent women, I love speaking with Adam, and I think you'll find him extremely interesting and refreshing, and he is an important reminder that local elections matter. Hey, everybody. This is Adam eveland in Kentucky. And I prefer my tomorrows to my yesterday's sorry. Not sorry. I've been doing a lot of research on you. And I find I find it all very fascinating. I mean, you grew up in Kentucky and you were the son of a tobacco farmer. What was that, like, that's right? It was really hard work. Anybody who tells you that they enjoyed being a tobacco farmer son is a liar, but at a great dad, not a great mother. You know, my mom had me when she was sixteen Elissa, and I'm loud, candidate, a candidate for governor, because the, the next rung of opportunity was was available to them. And the problem is, is it's a lot tougher today than it was in the late seventies early eighties. And that's something people like you and I have to fix. Yeah, I agree with you. Especially the magnitude of the discrepancy between education on people that are in higher, income communities versus the children in lower income communities, and I know education is, is a big priority for you. You. How do you how do you plan on fixing that? Well, we've got to make sure that the next rung on the ladder is available to everybody in, when we when we have an unequal funding of our public school system, when, when we have lost those of us who believe in public education have lost the mantle of reform to those who don't when education reform is all about vouchers, and corporate charters. We, it makes it difficult for people who are left out to move up. And that's what we've got to work on so fully funded education, making sure that our that we're recruiting the best and brightest into the teaching profession, making sure that the next rung on the ladder, be at community and technical education or higher education. Or a liberal arts education is available to everybody is critical, because education is the great equalizer and what we're doing is we're creating a system of ins and outs. And that's something that is to me. It just runs against the very nature of what it is to be an American and. Certainly were never going to ensure that everybody has the same outcome. But we but we must work to make sure everybody has the same opportunity. America rose to prominence economically in the world, not just because it had a vast continent. But because it basically educated, it's children and its workforce better than any other nation. We have believed wholeheartedly in investing the money in the people. All people in the education of the people that conviction fact by taxes and backed by dollars is no accident, or the logical application of faith in democracy by expanding education. We know the individuals who get more educated will have large returns than income, we would be wealthier, and they'd provide more competition for the elites that would tend to reduce any quality, the weakest educational Lincoln on national system. Lies in those communities, which have the lowest taxable value. And the far the smallest per capita tax receipts and the Louis teachers salaries and the most inadequate buildings and the Queant there is probably a wider, divergence today in the standard of education, between the richest communities in the poorest communities, then was a century ago. Do you think that, that we lost our way on education because of a cultural accepted systemic racism? I think that's been part of it Elissa I think a lot of it has been that those of us who have who believe in public education have gone from the offense to the defensive. And I think Kentucky is ground zero for that, you know, when, in nineteen ninety Kentucky became the first state in the country to declare an entire system of k through twelve education unconstitutional and built build a system back premised on the belief that all children can learn and learn at high levels in between nineteen nine and between nineteen ninety and twenty ten we were tad with North Carolina for the, the biggest improvement in educational outcomes. The problem is for the last ten years, progressives, those who believe in public education have ceded, the ground of education reform to people who don't believe in it. And that's why we're now fighting over. Vouchers, and it's while we're fighting over corporate charters when will we need to be talking about is? How do you integrate technology into the classroom because kids learn differently? And if you don't believe me, give any three year old enough own age when the world's information is just a click away. It demands that we bring our schools and libraries into the twenty first century, we can't be stuck in the nineteenth century when we're living in twenty first century economy. How do we get teachers on a path, and Kentucky earn at the national average? How do we make the eleventh and twelfth grades Pascual a better passage into whatever it come? Whatever it is that comes next bit community or, or university based education. These are the things we need to be talking about, but we're not. And that's because progressives and those who believe that we are better together have to go on the offense of that means running on what we're four merely than what we're just opposed to. And we have so much more information now on how children learn. I mean I'm dyslexic. It completely shaped who I am today for the better end for the worse. You know, I was always very insecure about being dyslexic. And we know so much more. Now, there is no excuse to not cater to every child's development unless we are trying to hold certain demographic back. And that is the biggest problem I have right now is even with income inequality. I we need to figure out how to get back to a place where everyone has the same opportunity, right? Listen. That's so important in so Gavin Newsom, who's the governor California's in and, and you so I'm fascinated like how did it must have been really tough learning? Scripts is a dyslexic kid. The memorization was easy for me because I have somewhat of a photographic memory. It was the reading that was hard. So, so for me like if I had to go in on. Audition, and they give you sides. They're called sides, their scenes from the movie or the TV show that they want you to act out in a room. I wouldn't be able to just read the sides, especially in a high pressure situation like an audition. So I had to memorize everything so that part of my brain is very exercise. But, you know I look at my children. How do we get back to that place where we're proud of our education system and not completely ashamed? And what responsibility is that on a state level versus a federal level? So it's primarily at the at the state level. You know, it tends to be a state issue. But if, if America's going to be what it ought to be, particularly in a global economy. We've got to understand that there are no throwaway, kids Elissa, I think this is about as much about having aspirated for the future is calling on upon those moments in our history. When we were we were at our best the men and women who went in. Literally save the world from democracy in World War, Two, when they came back to America, we said, listen, you, save the planet, we're going to send you to college for free and the GI Bill not only helped galvanize and grow the, the American middle class. In a way, we never had it gave people from places like Kentucky, a fighting chance in a changing economy, and that represents, I think the best of American aspirated. In washington. The group of congressmen with long memories, who are in the last floor Fe knew that when a man gets out of the army navy marines, he's worried most about job and education and the home. And that's why congress led by the president passed the law, the servicemen's readjustment act of nineteen forty four better known as the GI Bill of rights, what I would've if the GI Bill have not been there to the stab the middle class people in the United States because those days, you eat the rich or poor many of the veterans that used the GI Bill after World War Two, they were the first of their families to ever gone to college. It's not just about sort of the soft skill set of understanding all kids need to learn and learn at high levels, and that there's this wonderful bit of God, given human potential and all children. It's also understanding that if this country is going to be what it ought to be, and that is something bigger than these silly divides, and the politics of the lowest common denominator that were having to deal with right now. You know, this is just something that I think ought to be central to our patriotism, and calling on states to do the right thing, and invest in education, and in recognize that we have to have conversations about things like class size because everybody with the bright in their head knows that kids, learn better, when there are fewer of them in the classroom, but we're dealing with his national crisis of, of growing class size. I mean, these are things that we've got to address, and it really does help at the state level. And if a if a state like Kentucky can lead on this Elissa think about what a what, what, what potential we have to drive this kind of reform all around the. Country. I mean universal pre-k ought not to be a luxury. It ought to be something that's guaranteed to everyone because we know that the chief indicator of future prison need is the number of third graders who don't read it grade level. And we also know that kids who aren't prepared to go to kindergarten are not going to read it grade level. So when we're giving tax cuts to billionaires, and, and we're being screwed by the big banks literally costing billions of dollars to the taxpayers to bail them out. I just refuse to accept the notion that we can't, we can't afford to invest and are most important element of this country. And that's our young people in, you know, I know you have children. I've thirteen year old twin boys and watching how they have changed and evolved as extrordinary. And I think I think government in, in America, in Kentucky specifically has to recognize that our ability to be what we ought to be completely married to making sure that each of our kids develop to their fullest ability, and I'm you know, I'm passionate about. This because based on my mother being sixteen years old, when, you know, she brought me home from the hospital in that my dad was an is a farmer, you know, the only person and Kentucky who's not surprised. I'm running for governor as my mom and, you know, that's because that's because our mothers, love us, and expect us to do great things, I think we need to take that level of expectation everywhere. And, you know, certainly, I'm not a self made man. I'm a product of my parents skating, their knuckles to make sure I had every opportunity imaginable. And, you know, you and I are about the same age. I went to school at a time and a place where college was still affordable. But the minimum wage then was about what it is now. But yet, a college tuition is dramatically. It's a multiple of what it was twenty five years ago. So. It's not just about fairness, it's not just about equality. It's about equity, and it's about making sure that people get shot, and they get, as many shots, as they're willing to pick themselves up dust themselves, off and try again and, you know, I'm running for governor in a place like Kentucky on that. And I think not only do we have the potential to transform our state. But I think we've got the potential to reinvigorate the whole country because I think the challenge of progressivism is to bring opportunity to the forgotten places, and whether that be a traditionally African American inner city community, whether it be the mountains of Appalachia or whether it be a Bario, you know, we, we have to be about making sure opportunity is spread everywhere. And when we do that this country will realize drew, creed. Because of this lack of wealth. We lived in a neighborhood that twelve and henceforth a school system that lacked wealth. Luckily, however, we struck the educational jackpot in a voluntary desegregation program that buses, intercity kids black and Brown out to suburban schools. Rich and white at five years old, I had to take an hour long bus ride to a faraway place to get a better education at five years old. I thought everyone was just like me. But as I got older I started noticing things like how come I neighbours friends don't have to wake up at five o'clock in the morning, and go to a school? That's an hour away. How come I'm learning to play the violin? While my neighborhood friends don't even have a music class while we're my neighborhood friends learning and reading material that I had done to. Three years prior base. Always plays a part in how the students are perceived and how we perceive his parents are role in that environment. How we interpret what the school says how the school react? So the kids and reacts to us as parents, it's always there as an undercurrent we sit and we keep banging our heads against his term, Cheesman gap. Butcher's gap really that hard to understand why these kids perform well in these kids, don't I mean really I think we've got it all wrong. I think we have Gloria lives in. Billings says should flip our paradigm, and our language and current, what it really is. It's not an achievement gap. It's an education debt. What prompted you to run for governor. Now, was there a moment where you said, you know what I'm ready? Let's do this now illicit there is I have worked as a in private business. I've had a good career at government of a good career and business, I was the state auditor, which is the elected taxpayer watchdog in Kentucky. I fought corruption actually served as the chief of staff to the to the governor who son is my opponent in the primary. So it's, it's interesting how things turn, but it's really my work in renewable energy over the last few years that convince me that we have to that we have to get moving not just as a state is. But as a country, I brought together a coal company in eastern, Kentucky with renewable, energy engineers to do it will be the largest solar installation in our state by factor of ten it will be the first and Appalachia and will produce a hundred megawatts of renewable energy solar on a mountain top. Removal site. And we're gonna put back to work, a whole bunch of Atta work coal miners in an industry of the future. And I think now is Thomas place, where we need leaders who can bridge the divide and I know that's a big focus of, of your podcast, Elissa, this is we have to have people who can who can paint a picture of the future in which everybody feels part of shared prosperity. And you know, this is a seven hundred acre project, six hundred thousand solar panels. It will be visible from space and a living. Breathing example that Kentucky inns and people in the forgotten places of this country can build the future rather than be run over by it. And so I just think given how badly our president is dividing us how badly our politics in Washington, or failing regular people in this country. I just think it's time that that folks stand up and do the right thing, and I've got an opportunity to lead here and I'm making the most of it. Across America more and more coal fired smokestacks are smoke free. The power plants beneath them cold and dark the minds that once fed them abandoned, but for the past couple of years miners, and their families let themselves believe that a cold comeback was on the way. And if they remember the commended potential of creative videos jobs in America, just from renewable energy sources that would be very good count. All those who opposed the concept of global be caused by human activity. So I think it's very important for this big given deep consideration by knowledgeable and knowledgeable politicians. Well we're in a situation right now. I love to bring on a couple more people, but I'm going to hold off a little bit yet until we know what's going to happen. I don't wanna hire somebody, and then turn around and six months and have to let him go because the rules are going to change what we can do with installations than hell, the systems are our meter. Well, I think, you know, a big issue for me in this country right now is this idea? And this reality of forgotten cities, you know, these these places throughout the country where, you know, whether it was, whether it be cold country, where there is no need to manufacture as much coal as there used to be, or whether it be, you know, the GM plant closing in Flint, Michigan there. There are places in this country where nobody has had the vision to shape an alternative plan and to sister into the choir right to educate, and power people in a new field in, in nutrients. How can we best take what we're strongest ad and interpreted in, in a new era? And I just wanna know like, when I think about Kentucky, right? It's cool country. Right. How did you think people in? East Kentucky would welcome. This idea of putting solar panels on top of mountains. Had tried this five or six years ago, I would have been run out of the state owned rail. And now we have a wait list of out of work miners, who just listen. What the opportunity to interview for these jobs. And so I think you hit on such a really important narrative here, and that is that people don't wanna hand hand out. They don't wanna feel spoken down to they just wanna fighting chance to changing economy. And this is how we can I think, reinvigorate progressivism is something just beyond a world view that works on the coast. Kentucky is number one in the country for number of jobs that will be eliminated due automating. And so those who believe in the Barral, d only of the free market. The result is going to be a lot of people are left behind. And so government has a role to play unapologetically not only in making sure that the safety net is in place for people who are left behind, but to make sure that we are we are investing in people that they have the skills. Nah. Necessarily to compete in a changing economy into to give you really one concrete example, that is at once both really alarming, but also inspiring is that Kentucky is the third largest automotive manufacturer in the United States, we ranked behind Detroit and Ohio, and we have a lot of people employed in this industry, but about twenty twenty three just four years from now, Elissa the all of the automotive manufacturers will produce an electric motor that is the same price is the motor, that's underneath a hood of traditional car. The difference being a traditional motor has three hundred individually mailed parts assembled by dozens of people, an electric motor has seventeen parts and so the implications that has for workforce are really important. So not only do we need a governor of Kentucky. We need national leaders who understand, and more than just a passive way that the economy is changing in ways that are profound. And we've got to have people who are thinking about. This night and day because we can benefit from this immensely. It's a slingshot effect if we're preparing people for the opportunities of the twenty th century. But Elissa we've got we've got in mount St. here we've got political leadership that prefers yesterday to today and doesn't even think about tomorrow, and the way that manifest itself is that in my home state, the most reliable provider of WI fi and rule. Kentucky is damn McDonald's. And there's no there's no in that. That's not just Kentucky story that is the story of an interior, America. So understanding what FDR understood that we've gotta bring electric to everywhere in this country, and he did it with the rule electric occasion. I. Many of us remember that these rural electric sprang into being over a generation ago when I rural people were unable to get power from commercial power companies, so they organized their own systems, corporative, or in a couple of states power districts, they've brought rural America out of the dock miss understanding what Republicans like as in Howard, God, is that we to develop our economy. We had to build the interstate interstate system. We have to have leaders who understand the digital infrastructure people being connected to the internet. In high quality, broadband, is absolutely the, the infrastructure challenge of our time. And you know, I know this would surprise a lot of people on the coast. But most of us can't even get net flicks at home and my children. Tell me that's a huge tragedy. Well, I think a lot of goes back to what we were talking about before, which is educating, we're not a quipping our young people with the tools to actually be able to be a part of the workforce. Once they get out, and I have a big issue with this, this idea that we've stripped, all of our public schools of the arts programmes of the music programs of, you know, of fuckin- just echo that we're doing, we're doing town halls in every community in Kentucky, and I speak for fifteen or twenty minutes about who I am and my vision, and take questions until there aren't any anymore, and which remarkable as we get great turnout from these we'll get fifty to one hundred and fifty people, but we'll get twenty five hundred thirty five hundred people watching them on Facebook live and list of what never fails to come up. Particularly in rural Kentucky is people are seeing the school band program or the art. Program eliminated or significantly reduced in an Tamminen place, where we have got to have the liberal arts. We've got because it encourages creativity and collaboration the very, the very same part of the economy that by its very definition can't be exported to China or Mexico. We're pulling back our commitment to those areas, and it's it's self-defeating, and we've really got to turn it because it's a statement of Alice's also beyond all of that. What else brings the divide together what else bridges the divide, then the local feeder, and I say the so much we will pray and our own churches, we will eat in our own neighborhoods. What is the one thing in a small community that has divide that brings people together? It's the local theater. That's, that's exactly right. And you think about in its, we could point to history, will this work. Do you know it wasn't American military might that brought down the Russians? It was that it was the export of American culture are movies are music, our fashion, our, our statement values of about who we were in it, because it was inherently aspirational, and that's so powerful, not just in spreading, what I think, are the best of American values across the planet, but, but also investing in our own people. I mean, the, the you know, we had less northern Kentucky in, in one of our poorest communities. There is a public school district called the Dayton school district in this one. I care a lot about because this is the taxpayer watchdog. I caught the former superintendent, they're having stolen about half a million dollars, the poorest kids in Kentucky. It's awful. He went to federal pen, it's all great. They've got a fantastic school. Superintendent now about Dame's brewer and they are teaching some of the poorest kids at Kentucky, how to be chess masters and to me that represents who we are at our best. Right. Because it's not about it's not about opportunity being limited the. People who can afford to buy it. It's about making sure that the intellectual development of our kids reaches kids where they are. So we're you've got ten and eleven year old chess masters of these are kids of color. It's extrordinary, and I think there are so many good examples of what this country can and should be in the forgotten places. And you know, and so an opportunity to have doing here, and sort of talking about what's going on, and interior America list is, is, I think it's a huge compliment to you. And I just want you to know so many of us, appreciate the opportunity. That's very kind. Thank you for saying that. I just. I'm just very impressed. I'm impressed by the race that you're you're running. You're not taking any corporate pack money. Dom. Why was that so important to you because could Kentucky the special interests have bought and sold governors for a hundred years, just like they have everywhere else, and not, we're not running just to beat back this tea party. Governor Matt Bevin who's literally the worst ever mean he's terrible. Hi, this is Kentucky. Governor Matt Bevin. I'm here at Tiffany, academy. I'm about to go in and meet the members of the west Louisville chess club, not something you necessarily would have thought of when you think of this section of town. Although that's a heck of a benefit to get to beat them. I fight for the opportunity to build in what we're gonna do is we're going to build a modern Kentucky, where we bring digital infrastructure to everybody where we invest in renewable energy and create the jobs, the future, where we unapologetically stand up for a woman's right to make her own healthcare decisions. And this is the kind of listen, but it's important because ground zero and reproductive rights, isn't in California or New York. It's in places like Kentucky, and we have a governor who despite a forty year. A forty year Sistema case law from the supreme court that preserves the woman's right to make your own healthcare decisions, who has held bet on making Kentucky, the first state in the country to defacto ban abortion. And so we have to have leaders who say, listen, if you want to build a, modern society, if you want to build a modern a modern community, you have to recognize the few full of quality of women, and you can't claim the full equality of women when the government gets in their way of making healthcare decisions period has big government more than the government telling me what I can do with my body. Exactly. Right. So the government getting to decide the time and the place of family planning is, is ought to be anesthetic to all of us who believe that, that in a free society people should be allowed to make their own decisions. And Kentucky is we're off cycle. We we have a governor's race this year. That in a lot of ways is going to set the set the agenda for what? Twenty what twenty twenty and twenty twenty to look like and so our challenges to bring a muscular, brand of progressivism where we're totally committed to opportunity for all people to forgotten places like Kentucky. And if we can pull this off, not only can we make sure that everybody in this country, gets a fair shot at their version, the American dream, but we get this country to back to being what it ought to be about, which is aspirated and community and the sense that no matter who you are what's out of the tracks, you come from or your gender, the color, your skin, or who you choose to love that you get your shot at the American dream and, and for everybody in this country, Kentucky is ground zero and twenty nineteen. And when we win this election, I think it will say a lot about the ability in the resiliency of those of us who believe that in a civil society, we owe a little something each other to restore the American dream. Our challenge today is to take this democratic system of ours. A system, second to none and make it better. That's the true genius of America that America can change. Our union can be perfected what we've already achieved gives us hope for what we can and must achieved him on. If our parents and grandparents could toil and struggle for us, if they could raise beans of steel to the sky, send a man to the moon, connect the world, with a touch of a button, then surely, we can keep on sacrificing and building for our own kids and grandkids. Right. The other thing that I love about what you're doing right now. That is also incredibly important to me, as, you know, is that you've pledged that your cabinet would be made up of fifty percent women. Why, why is that so important to you the page twenty nineteen and it's, it's long overdue. That, that, that our governments at every level in the state reflect the diversity of gender perspective in race, even in places like Kentucky. And a MAC commitment is my cabinet will be at least fifty percent female, but the issue we've got now is that our current governor? There's not a single female in our cabinet. And so is a guy who grew up in rural Kentucky who understands the importance of role models. Your imagination, you'll remember Dan, rather, the, the CBS anchor when we were kids, he was the first guy that I could look to as a kid, who who I thought sounded like me. This is the CBS news. Dan, rather reporting. Good evening. My parents work with their back in the hands very hard working people. And they insisted and we were all willing, my brother and sister. And I we sort of working very early smart enough to send me to work in rush cutting crew's Mike land, oilfield rigs and just by virtue of him sounding like me, I started to dream bigger drapes. And so what I wanna make sure is that when we build a cabinet that serves the people of Kentucky and me as governor that diverse kids can look at this and say, well, there's a, there's a leader who looks like me sounds like me, and is blazing. A path for me, and it's really, it's really hard to speak to unless you've grown up a place where there weren't many role models. But I am committed to forming a building a Kentucky, where everybody has a role model. I believe if you can't see it, you can't be it. Absolutely. We need those, we need those role models. And I think right now in the metoo generation, we're really getting a great education on, and maybe a chain of thought on how. Woman chooses to lead because the, the leaders that that I had to look up to were all men. So I feel as though often these the women that are put in powerful positions in say a corporate office or a CEO of, of a business feel like they have to embody sort of a masculine quality about them to be affective leaders, I think the more, we see more female representation in positions of power. The more we will learn that our strength is really in leading through service through service at example, in particularly, you know, you've been such a great leader in the me too movement. We want to change the culture where too often sexual harassment spent tolerated elect women if a corporation wants to change a culture, whether it's been a sexual power power dynamic put a woman in charge that, that will change things and. I think it's important that people lead from the front. So one of the things you know, Elissa that I'm really proud of. And I did it didn't happen on purpose. But I, I was asked, and I gave my, you know, my position is that I was the first statewide elected official in Kentucky to endorse marriage equality. And I did it an atomic place where you know, twenty percent of the people in Kentucky. Agreed with me. But now, you know, now, six seven years later, we now live in a state that has majority pro marriage equality. And so giving people the opportunity to lead who think differently or reflect their unique set. A circumstance is only only results in making us all better and that's why I'm committed to diversity, and I hate weasel words like tolerance. I mean, there's no there's no bigger BS term in the world mave you than tolerance. What, what we should be striving for is inclusion because when we include folks at the table better decisions are made. We better understand others perspectives. And we've got the ability. To build the bridges that you and I are so passionate about between people who fundamentally see things differently. This current fight between yesterday and today merely loses tomorrow. The future will be one, one by that dynamic infusion of new ideas and new leaders rather than the stale scent of incremental ISM and nostalgia. There's a better way there's a higher road. Join us and change the game for our people. Thank you. God bless you. The importance of education is steeped in numbers, the cost of education per student per year percentage of students graduating on time percent of students dropping out grade point average. Standardized test scores ranked by district student to teacher ratio truancy rate number of school shootings per year income variances between those with and without a high school diploma. The number which really matters. However, is one making sure each individual student is able to access her schooling in a way which prepares her for the world ahead and a meaningful fulfilling and prosperous life. But education is not equal for us. All despite the equal protection clause of the fourteenth amendment, which courts have said applies to students in their educational access the ability to obtain an education and reap its benefits are not equally distributed white kids, suburban kids wealthy kids. They do fine. When a child is already relatively wealthy or otherwise privilege. They're able to realize the benefit of that wealth and privilege with an education, that leads to continued prosperity when a child is none of those things all, too often, we fail to provide the same opportunities and failure begets failure. Education is the single most important factor other than being white or wealthy that is in getting out of poverty, but failure to access that education. Rarely falls on the student. Instead, it falls on all of us all, too often we create the societal problems in biases that may completing an education incredibly difficult for families already struggling disproportionately affecting minority students. School, which should be a pipeline to prosperity has instead become a pipeline to prison. Mike, it was for Kira. Walmart, cure was a student in high school. She was in chemistry class as a junior in Florida. She was already looking forward to graduation in what the future held for her. She was going to go to college and prepare for a career in stem, her high school instituted a zero tolerance policy around rule breaking and being a student of color. And a young woman in Florida comes with strong disadvantages. It's where nearly half of school arrests of girls target black students. So when curia as part of her science class combined aluminum foil end toilet bowl cleaner her path was already set. It harmlessly exploded. It created a pop noise end whatever the class carried on. Until she was arrested later that day handcuffed in front of her classmates and hold to juvenile detention center, where she was charged with two felonies. She was expelled from her school in sent to an alternative school for kids with discipline problems, where she did not obtain even the already lacking quality of education. She was able to access previously because cares story. Caught the eye of a reporter. She was able to overcome most of the challenges late in front of her. But even with the charges dismissed she still had to check. Yes. In the box, indicating she had already previously been charged with a felony when applying to college even without a conviction cures. False record of felony follows her to this day this happens over and over again very nearly exclusively. Of course to minority students. We deprive students of their education. While they are trying to access it. And if you think it doesn't matter. Here's what ABRAHAM LINCOLN had to say about it the philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next when we teach our minority and poor students that their access to education is worth less than those of white and wealthy students, we set the philosophy of the next generation, we teach the white students in power that minority students are criminal, and we teach minority students, the same while taking away their best avenue out of poverty, these ideas fester, and like a blister, slowly filling over the years. They burst on the school boards. And in the boardrooms in congress end in college, and the cycle continues, we need to end it and we need to end it now before my kids learn in school. The worst lesson we teach. Before a yours. Do before curious do. Milo. What do you think is the most important thing about being a kid, I think, education in learning because. If you can't learn do mass than you won't be a successful adult. What is your what's your favorite thing about school? Honestly, I like math spelling raiding P, E and do like playing with your friends. Yeah. It's honestly, my favorite thing to do at recess. Sorry, not sorry is executive produced by SIMS are not in a listener auto. That's me. Our supervising producer is Ellison bresnik. It's edited by Josh Windisch, our production, associate is Danielle Silva music by Josh Cooke, and Alicia equal, please describe on apple podcasts Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. And if you like the show, please rate, review and spread the word, sorry, not sorry.
1242 SDF & Mobile Dentistry with Jennifer Hasch & Kyle Isaacs : Dentistry Uncensored with Howard Farran
"It is just a huge honor today to be at the Kentucky a Dental Association's annual meeting with Jennifer Haase Hash browns like Hash browns. Bs Rda AIDS and Kyle L. is ix who does that right kyle. Is it yet. Rda H who we've been in contact for years and years and years so you guys are down here to presentations today what what were you speaking on this morning. I did a presentation silver diming fluoride all right which is when I flew in here the airport is the F. I know isn't that cool so this must mean the home place the bird of of silver diary so excited when I saw that and it was the mohammad-ali airport as was Mamadali the inventor I know so you were tied. SEF today this morning and a little bit about glass number cement silver modified fight art and then this afternoon Jennifer Co presented on mobile dentistry with her aspect mostly on the school based programs programs on mine more on the nursing homes. Well wow those are all the some of the biggest controversial issues in dentistry. I mean like I never thought pediatric Dennis forever have anything to argue about on dental town for thirty years but they found one with SDF. I'm why is that such a controversial controversial hot-button. Why are why do pediatric Dennis either love it or hate it and there's no middle ground? That's a great question. You should probably skip pediatric. They are you don't well that makes you a neutral position. I mean Denison. Bring a lot of <hes> baggage shaggy discussion. Why why do you think your polarize on that issue <hes> the pediatric Dennis that I know that have been using it have seen some great successes and they've been able to reduce the number of general anesthesia and sedation cases that they're doing you know it's not a cure IRV for Carey's but it sure is helping so I'm not sure I've never spoken to one that is against it so I can't really speak for that and you just need to get on dental? I finally found the the issue with your name. I had it with two to I sold that's often. That's the thing with Microsoft. <hes> you have to <hes> there. It is there she is they find you your yeah. I <hes> was <HES> so you're already age. AP vhs what his water all that even me well already H. E. P. I'm an expanded practice hygienists in Oregon so so I go into facilities ladies are patients homes or schools prisons adult foster care homes. <hes> I actually working three days week now in a medical office well back back to the <hes> silver looming fluoride. I think one of the Mozambique parts it's about <hes> actually the the biggest advantage of being a man over woman is that when you go <hes> four and a half percent of Americans clinics out their life in a nursing now have you gone to nursing hungers. It's all women and one man named Lucky and these women are in there and they say they get the Geriatric Denison get one root surface cavity a month so after grandma's a year she has twelve cabbies and I know Dennis the after work we'll go to the nursing home with Silver Diamond Fried and a lot of people say well. I don't want to do that 'cause Medicaid or Medicare doesn't pay enough but you don't do one. I mean in your usually. These people need eight nine ten eleven twelve but I think the <hes> the most embarrassing part dentistry is the zoo nursing home population. It's really it's very sad for women. It's very it's just I mean I've had a lot of male patients as well. It's very very sad. She works in a veterans home tear tear and that's the veterans and you go in there and it's so sad when you talk to the staff and they say no she's been in there a year and a half and no one's ever visitor visit her. No one's ever visitor I mean it's sometimes I'm the only one that day visiting someone one. One of the things I said in my presentation today is to hold someone's hand look in their eyes and to spend time with them and that that is a huge <hes> <hes> thing for them they don't get a lot of some of them don't get touched or hugged or <hes> or any attention attention other than the CNA's coming in and doing whatever job they have to well it it it just seemed like no win situation because when I saw all the timing versing homes in Phoenix on a it's a big retirement place and they because of everybody's ventures impartial the they wanna Cook just a car festival cottage cheese Pumpkin Pie Mash as in I mean you look at it is just a car best and that's what they want and and then and when you watch the CPN or the L. p. n. in the CPA hunger instruction. It's it's little beata. toothpastes Swiss spin a cop. That's it I mean and you couldn't expect that one little lady to bathe food medicine brushing flaws. It's never going to get done so what's so what's the answer to Root Server Sakina nursing home. The answer is to have a dental professional either a dental hygienist. Mr Dental Assistant I think would work in every single facility working there everyday providing daily oral care and today. I'm and one of my presentations I talked about there was a study done. I think it was in Virginia was one hundred forty. Seven residents and half of them were assigned daily Orel hygiene aid to someone who provided oral care for that patient that resident every single day. I don't know how long it lasted and the other half didn't get it and the ones that didn't get it. They were three times more likely to die from pneumonia. <hes> my gosh so not not only are they having issues with their teeth but we know that connection between our health systemic disease so we know it works leaned the connection with <hes> oral health and systemic disease what why were they more likely to die from pneumonia they have more bacteria in their mouth and they can aspirated a lot of the patients in these facilities have dysphasia dysphasia so they have trouble swallowing clearing bacteria about of them have had strokes and people who are post stroke are more likely lead to have <hes> aspiration pneumonia because of that as well as people with dementia and the older people go get the <hes> the worst they're swallowing sense so that's a lot of the people who are in long term care facilities people who had strokes people who have dementia and who are older yeah yeah and that's a rough group to have good oral hygiene brushing writing dementia Alzheimer's stroke dementia is really really hard to at that point they are reliant on others to care for them completely and like you said the Diet is really bad. A lot of them are on ensure sure which is really high sugar content <hes> they're not chewing so they're not getting that self cleansing mechanism that happens chew and there are a lot of them are on these carbs some places they have juice and they're giving medicine with sugar pudding Jello <hes> applesauce things you know throughout the day back and then their medication causes zero Estonia and then the right so you have a perfect storm of dry mouth and carb loading like he said no and no oral hair and so there <hes> or a house goes down really fast and because they have probably they have a lot of cabinets and they have a lot of perio disease that they're going to have a much higher bacterial loud in their mouths so so you're an expanded duty hyginus practice expanded. Probably what does that mean that well. You're you're from Oregon and not originally I lived there and who's been candidate. A MORTGA move from your first State to legalize legalize marijuana right. I mean Colorado legalized Holloway Relational before but we're you like number for two or close up. There can't remember if it was asser Washington State Zona Arizona just the last election they voted down again. I mean they <hes> but anyway deal with that but what I don't understand is it's funny when they starting to just pass hygienist your your profession. It was the same controversy and Bob Barclay had to go around the country telling these people all. Why can't she get you know? Why can't you do this? They said why I'm so busy pulling teeth making dentures. I don't have time for this and that's a great point. I mean everyone should be working at the highest scope scope of their license. That's where we are most productive. That's where we are most effective so why should dentis go into a nursing common brush teeth once a week like the highlife program they shouldn't that's the answer they should be working at the top of their scope. Let assistance stints brush teeth. Let let hygienist take care of prophylaxis and the other things that we can do sealants Sti F- You know when we're all working at the top of our scope that's when we're being most productive and effective active it it makes sense all around but fighting <hes> what are your thoughts on the dental therapist is that is that come to Oregon and we don't have dental talk therapy there there are we do have the D. hats that dental crashing hooper remember the pilot project that happening like what they're doing. Alaska scrapped for they have made the reservation ball in the journal therapist or we don't have called dental therapists mullins. It's Johnston's a technical programme yeah so it's not a mid level provider are someone goes back to school and received further education and has a master's. There's or something like that. which is the Minnesota model? If you're familiar with that <hes> the D. hat is a specific technical dental therapists that has a very limited scope of practice and is not formerly a hygienist but his train to go give relief to a population who is suffering which is you know in the Indian health preservation and there from the that culture so the then the verses from that call gas and then there are trained they don't have dental background and their their training for a couple of I think it's a couple of years and then under a dentist for certain amount of hours. I think they have to work would you. I don't know if I know enough to make a comment on that. <hes> yeah yeah. I think there's a lot of need in that population. I think we can all agree with that and so I think for all of us to be <hes> a nimble and creative with our workforce force models is good. I definitely think technical programs can be more challenging for you know in dental procedures than a CODA credited educational institute but I think we have to answer the need so I'm I'm. I'm willing to support anything. That's answering the need. As long as it's quality care and personally I mean there are times when I would like to be a dental Komo therapists because my patients in nursing homes could benefit from that. I don't want to like an old and I don't WanNa WanNa do that and actually I'm. You're getting older your really what do you mean. How old are you old enough to know better nine fifty eighty seven well? You look younger than me so I'm invited four eight. So what do you mean you're getting older. You don't want to go into I do I don't I don't know I don't WanNa be a dental therapist. I don't want to go back to school. Do that and I really like the prevention aspect of dental hygiene. That's really what drives me and so I'm not into like wanting to three extract teeth fillings. I guess what what I was going to be has. Why why are you the I mean myself I graduated eighty seven and I remember when the Colorado which was the first state to to legalize recreational marijuana in the first one to recognize independent hygiene practices and seven went out on their own and you would've thought journal had blown and among all fifty states and it's starting to wonder like why is emotional Mussa <unk> because of course me I was lecturing there so I went early ready to car drove down there and it was a hygienist Antao thousand the only way she can afford to do it was he got rid of her dining room table and got auditory and if she saw something she's concerned she wrote a note and he and that guy would drive an hour up the street and that dentist says I love that lady she sent me a broken tooth cavity and so what I could see working was perfect but but the hormonal reaction so I'm curious you as a dentist what your perspective from the dentist side that they're that they're just this is at some emotional trigger? Were like lately. Nobody's died right in Colorado. Did anybody die because of dental hygiene. I Ju- resort you're gonNA CRUISE RUSIA wine. Go get a facial. I don't WANNA facial. I go get my manny petty petty. I'm just like can I get my teeth clean on no no that that's Azi legal. I mean I mean you go to any of these resorts again your wife's and they're getting a nanny petty facial with cucumber slices but on her I in and a man just wants to go get his teeth plane and the access to care <hes> and I I too much red tape and if there's that much red tape for you imagine how much red tape there is for someone struggling with poverty or a rural area <hes> you know there's a real issue here and so I think we need to spend less time on the turf war so to speak and more time on bringing the care to people who need it. We'll look at the Alaska deals like all all these righteous Dennis in the end of the day so you're saying that no care is better than some care really her each in this area that's larger in Alaska. This is an area that's larger than some. US State eight zero dentists so can we send in someone who's not quite somewhere between a dentist in zero ono unacceptable sense. They make no sense none so I'm GonNa tell you in Oregon we started out the expanded practice high jenness with a much more limited scope of who we could see and where when it first came in. I don't remember exactly because I wasn't living there then I want to say maybe around ninety seven and so as the years have gone by we've got more and more of freedom of and we can see an and wear and to that opened up the availability for these vulnerable populations for someone to go and provide care. I see the people in facilities that no one's looking in their mouths and they're not getting the care and nobody has any idea what's going on in there and I you know people are complaining complaining. Maybe they don't feel it. Maybe they don't have expressed that they can't communicate at the craziest. One is <hes> remember that the lady who in Houston who ran over her husband <hes> three times for your honest I am walking so she's rolled over and killed him earning. Oh my gosh she she hears she was a dentist in prison decade. They don't even let the Tristan dentists do dentistry. She gives saying well. I'm in your I've either dentist can license license fallon. You can say insanity I mean at least you should let all the Denison hygienic in prison at least trees their own license their our own inmates but the idea because they're a felon so the minute you're in jail. How you lose your on your roommate? He had a dentist in jail for a decade. The population could benefit from the interesting to see how many abscess Steve Steve Lead to infections that lead to hospitalizations during the time in that jail lecture on silver diming Floride <hes> this afternoon we did mobile demonstrates to Jennifer highlights. The school based programs so is mobile dentistry is that it really is a thing now is taking off I think so and what does it mean that you're driving down. The street can be that can N. B. That also encompasses portable dentistry where we take equipment into a setting and use it inside at lots of different models. I think Tele Dentistry is one of the things that is incorporated into a lot of the mobile programs so we just discussed best practices she says and <hes> and how things are moving would you are these mobile dentistry models. Do you think is the the the winner I think it depends on the population that you serve for us. We're in a school based program and we're only intending to stay within <hes> ten miles or less of our fixed clinic so that they have restorative home to go to if there's need so for us it makes more sense to have small equipment that we can take in be within the classroom or the nurse's office or wherever we set up that day <hes> but there are outfits that want to see a whole state of kids kids and if that's the case they may want a big rig with three chairs in the back. So are you doing preventive or are you doing restorative. I think that makes a big difference. What type of facility you're going to the patients that you're getting cared? You off unwanted seasoning. We have portable equipment. What was it we're in Kentucky Kentucky Oregon right so you sell tobacco and she sells neither now I do anti I anti tobacco cessation counseling idea the home of tobacco it it is indeed unfortunately I sit on this committee for the Kentucky Oral Health Coalition and we do a lot of advocacy around smoking and vaping which is the new risky yes so it is definitely a thing and we're always you know neck and neck with West Virginia on the amount of essential Angeles adults because of our tobacco use Kentucky one or two in right now we're too and West Virginia's one that's right and he's in adult identifies and that's what will read and how high is it you know? I don't know that statistic I know for the USA by age sixty four. It's ten percent. He said why sending four it's twenty percent we must be higher than that airline and number two. I think that's mostly correlated to tobacco's. Yes I think so and it also has to do with the lack of oral health literacy and poverty in rural areas not having access to care in rural areas so what would our word mobile dentistry in Kentucky so I work for Sean Christian Healthcare Center which is a federally Qualified Health Center in the West End of Louisville and it's the historically segregated area of Louisville Louisville is the third third most segregated city in the nation and a lot of it had to do with our read zoning laws and and where African Americans could purchase homes and it's still pervasive pervasive today and there's an access to care issue. There's a food desert issue in the community and so I work in the clinic <hes> over our staff staff we have five opportunities and then we also have the school based program that goes into ten schools within right now. We're within an eight mile radius of the office and what do you do it. What is your goal when you're going to schools or preventive focused so we do screenings cleanings fluoride sealants x x rays? We have a dentist with us because that's the law in Kentucky with a mobile dentist so you bring the chairs yeah put it in the Jeep Grand Cherokee head to the school and unpack it set it up see the kids if they have restorative need. They're referred back to our office. Most of the schools are actually within walking descent so we cut out cleanings and extracts not yet. We've talked about it but so how's that what would be a full look dental chair. Is it a we use a dental work unit. That's a that's a brand. It's called dental work. Gentle works assist different. There's all kinds of different brands but that's what we use the L. Delio. I've heard that yeah they're out of Colorado Colorado the mobile compressors that we saw as the pro style which is one of their units and then <hes> one of their chairs which is also also portable. They have all kinds of different equipments. If you're interested in starting a mobile dental programs all D. N. T. L. Works and and why alight a compressor as opposed to just going electric. Oh you need a compressor <hes> so it looks like a suitcase and it has air water section and some of them will have high speed hand. He's attachment customize based on the Serbian you want to provide the you can have one and where you can attach offer scaling only the air compressor for that for sealants for high-speed suction to keep a dry field for sale and the compressor is the vacuum to or guess. It's all in one suitcase. We have it here. We brought it to our core. So if you WANNA come play with it later it was is it can be atomised depending on what you want but I would say eighteen five and nine. I WanNa see you try. It was her when they go on mission trips to Honduras so so we talk about a mobile dentistry sti it's very function on what would care social just one <hes> <hes> <hes> people who don't care and they can't get it. Why why is our country have it so that some people are are? I don't want to call it. The have nots why everybody should I mean I feel that everybody should have access to healthcare and included in that hat should be dental because our math nectar Tebessa body agreed. What are your thoughts? <hes> I think probably the best way to start start. The conversation about oral health as a social justice issue is to remind folks that where there are food deserts there are also health access zest desserts and so there are specific community food desert as a food desert in the west side of Lou rate so that means low access to healthy food choices basis whether that be grocery stores or farmers markets <hes> and so food desert is an actual designation by the federal government as a health access access desert. Actually you can look up right now on the National Health Service Corps where there is a dental service provider shortage area in your city county state was was signed Zan on National Health Service Corps Man in H. S. C. Dot Org and wwe and H S C dot Org. That's correct dot. Or will tell me where HP sat scores health providers shortage areas and they have one for dental providers and they'll only N H S C. That's it <music> googling it well. What is the hero stands for National Health Service Corps? Even where might be Dot Gov. Actually probably it's probably dot Gov but I've seen too is even though you might have a dental home near where people live have often. I've I've noticed in Oregon. There aren't enough providers to take care of the needs of all the Medicaid patients and we do have an adults <hes> Medicaid dental for people who are at a below a certain income so <music>. I'm called data even know they're there and in the area close but if you can't get into an office for four or five months national what does Inver National Health National Health Service for Service Corps Yup C. O. R. P. S. O. Corp.. Co Rpi yes so do you consider me deaf and dumb or just. We're just walking you through there. It is so N. N. H. S. C. Dot HRSA okay so in herself. What do I do I find shortage of dentists out just just put in the search box H PSA PSA b. s. a. that's going to give you your health provider riders shortage area and they probably have a whole pay health professional shortage areas? Aren't you good and that includes dental dental. Yes it breaks it down by the type of provider and you could probably not let's see here because usually a dentist earn. We're not real doctors doesn't right that that that ever that aging silo I'm actually searched antall tall. PSA and what does the PSA provider shortage area. I don't see the list but I can give give you the link later happy to tell you melting your posts on Dilettante or yeah I can tell you that is asking of course they're always saying when they come out of school also businesses supply and demand where my needed right you go. This is a great a place to go and we have dental students that rotate through my clinic and I point them in this direction all the time. It's been a while since I've been on this page but health centers <hes> actually get scored by this system this National Health Service Corps system the H. PSA score allows them to offer loan repayment programs for example to dentists in hygienist agents based on how high the score is so there are a FQHC's health centers in West Louisville that have a score of fourteen eighteen which says it's high which basically means there's not a lot of dental professionals in that area and or the dental professionals that are in that area don't accept Medicaid hey and or the dental professionals that accept Medicaid have a long wait list or will only see children and on and on and on and on so there's all kinds of barriers careers that limit access to care and the federal government tracks that and incentivizes providers to work in those areas to answer that need and at the bottom of the end of the day is is mostly economics is poverty or is it other factor said. I think it's poverty. I think it's racism I. I think it's the history of segregation in our nation. I think it's <hes> all the `ISMs really emmigration vision. I think there's a huge immigration factor especially for those <hes> folks that are undocumented our nation. There's a trust issue with seeking care at this point the <hes> trying to fill out paperwork afraid to be seen by health professionals and kids that may be citizens have parents that are undocumented <hes> aren't accessing care either and so I think yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of problems with its universe was talking about religion besides politics or violence but I have an. Mba and I love to things economics dentistry and I love to go hand in hand the end and you ask any buddy with the PC what made America what it is and they say five hundred years of immigration immigration from every corner of Earth for all immigrants and then you say so what would be the best thing to do for the economy and they all everyone say open backup L. Silent and then you talk to every American so are you you wanNA open backup Ellis Island L. no well. There's this foss believe leave that there's one pie and and I get a peace means you get less of a piece that type of thing <hes> when in fact our strength is in our diversity and until we admit that an embrace that I I don't think we're GONNA we're gonNA have a chance. I actually actually think the country is absolutely been in decline ever since after nine eleven choked off immigration and no decision made out the fear is a good decision and so now I look at some of the white greatest minds in the world that used to come to America and now they're going to Canada. They're detained back in India. They're going to south there to watch I come in and the also list is what was the the the the the America before America was Argentina the Irish diaspora they were all going to Argentina because it was the new America and then what did they decide to do. They decided Oh we want to go back to the colonial system where you work on my land to give me half your garage sale. That's why we laughed. So what do they do. They just Argentina Jin Tina would have been the United States of America on that one policy. They said we'll forget this and all the Argentinans. All the Europeans are also in the United States history. I history repeats itself and it's time for the United States just shoot itself in the foot. Share hope not I think we can rise to the occasion. Call myself a Patriot and I think there are some scary things going on right now but I have faith in my fellow American to compassionate and open to diversity and to make decisions out of a sci in fact in research and what is proven rather than fear or hyperbole or unfortunate assumptions about other people. They're closing the convention oranges all here that so on that note I love it. You should never make decisions based on fear and <hes> my Gosh <hes> thank you so much and by the way we've <hes> dental tunnels a quarter million members. We've put up four hundred online courses. They've been imbued almost a million times. The MONTIEL's love to just be able to watch of course an hour at a time. I would love to have <hes> some courses from you you on this. I mean the all your hot buttons. I mean ever everything you just talked about is a political no no so I'm dentistry in such the highlight so we don't talk about things and come to common ground. We're never gonNA make progress and I think we have more commonality than we have differences so come into tables roles having discussions talking about difficult subjects and <hes> you know working together is the only way we're going to make any progress and that goes in dentistry and anything and again so like dental therapists you know the end of the world hygienist filling the dental therapist so me. I'm out on the road. So when I'm I'm on the road and I hear this I find out where are they go there and so would say that I found with Donald Service say Oh my God you know I don't WanNa do my planes. I got to Hijaz and I I like getting phillies. Fillings to now all in doing is root canals extractions endangers can at the I. S. L. for their high over the practice doc is and then it's a practice. Our World thinks that's going to bring down the professional Mike how come everything that's going to bring down the profession. I always find a dentist totally love. I love it. I think maybe it's based out of fear Oh absolutely scapegoating and then and then the roots of your entire professionals Bob Barclay who died in his own smaller craft you know on his way lecturing trying to convince these Dennis who did not want you guys is they were so busy doing an immediate dentures. You were a threat to their profession. I mean what I'm most concerned about. Now now that I'm old I'm not I'm not as old as you just waiting for that but I you know I'm at the four boys always have made me five grandchildren. I don't want to die and have my grandchildren go to a dental office. Its own by Corporate Wall Street guy saying more more ground. You should upgraded that failing to on my crown and why why I mean I want. I want my at least my granddaughter to go to a dental office. Where it's owned by a dentist is that is that too I try survey of treatment? Plans are the goal and I think even more than that prevention is the real goal and I don't think yeah and I don't think anyone argues that. There's enough disease to go around here. I mean if you if you're in the small confinements of a high income private practice on a prominent area of town I implore Flory to step out of that office go to a rural area or urban area and volunteer one time and the mouths you see it will change your life. Not just your practice your life. I've been to Honduras Jamaica on mission trucks. I've seen mouths worse the West End of Louisville and eastern parts of Kentucky and I have seen in third world countries. We have people suffering right next door yeah yeah if you're feeling like your business is threatened than you have a real misconception of our nation's oral health but do you believe using my my specifically turn a dentist office should be owned by a dentist gets any more difficult out for the private Dennis because of the bigger corporations <hes> they can do things more cheaply <music> dentists that are attracted to that <hes> business model they don't have to worry about hiring and firing and buying <hes> supplies so I don't know around here in Oregon we have a lot of those term corporations DIOS yeah I think I I think Medicaid and Medicare and make it really difficult for private Dennis to offer services to those populations. I think <hes> you know D. DSO's and health centers are sometimes more incentivized to offer services and get higher reimbursement and as you know Medicaid the reimbursement is pretty low and so that's that's a real issue for sustainability for private practice. That's I don't really have a dog in the fight of weather. Finish should own a practice or not but I can't say that it's really difficult for a dentist to own a private practice and see an ad need population because they're not covering their costs or their overhead overhead and that's a poor business model. So how do we <hes> level the playing field so that we have more capable providers seeing the populations that needs to be seen. I don't know all the answers but I know we need to come together and come up with simple solutions like yesterday. I think one of the things that would be really helpful is to new Jennifer and you know we have been grouped together about this. <hes> is getting all the dental hygienists to be able oh to work in medical offices and get care earlier. Educating parents in pediatric offices has if we can prevent disease them we're GONNA have happier patients and we're going to have people who aren't going to necessarily be having to go visit the emergency rooms we're going to save money and so early intervention and connecting in collaborating with the medical providers and not only that it's going to educate the medical providers on who we are as healthcare providers that were just because we're in the dental field doesn't mean that we're not healthcare providers last but not least question is on dental town. There's a long thread about yeah. We all know that smoking's Raleigh bad. There's no question that but isn't vaping a little better than smoking now. He's laughing. I'm laughing because you don. She just had to laugh but we're already seeing how long has vaping been out. I mean I don't know ten years. Maybe be and we're already seeing explosions in people's mouths popcorn lung. We have no idea what's in this stuff. It's not FDA regulated. There's high huge high. I levels of nicotine. There's research still needs to be done but short. Answer is no propylene glazed better the tobacco yeah there's chemicals our chemicals natural flavors and and the sad part is I know that I think the cigarette companies have done this to is. Is there a marketing towards the kids I mean if you look at the names of some of the products and a market them till you know cute and as Labour's I overdosed on nicotine from any of you see what they do. In Asia and Africa warning warning labels are in knowing the predatory to talk villages and give out free cigarettes until they're addicted to think about I mean that and then to know what will happen to their lives into no realize publicly traded companies. I me there. That's corporations for human beings and it's not over people that lately now we look at some things like today day that are are bad that we didn't see fifty or one hundred years ago. I think fifty years now people are going to sit there and say really everybody. Just look the other way they would go into an entire country. Get half them addicted to this and then you look at the mortality I mean it's just like it's hard break. I I mean you know what what's going on. When it's a gun with a bulletin it's a war but <hes> just a little slower process related so much for all that you do for dentistry industry? Thank you so much for stopping by the booth and it's been a pleasure are Michael List inspires. Many people to step out of wet is comfortable for them mm-hmm and start doing something to bring care to those need. Is there a lot of people and they were looking for where to begin. What would where would you tell them to go? Contact us. I talked to anyone and then also each state has oral health coalition. It's not organized <music> article for dental town with all the stuff I'd be happy to we'd love if you're wanting to get involved in not sure where to start reach out to the folks in your oral health coalition Russian just google it you can find. Is that our passionate about access to care about making an impact within your state and that's a Philip Morris dot I could talk to
June 3: Bad blood
"I'm Keith Macarthur. Unlocking Bryson's brain is a podcast about my son, I am. The rare disease that keeps him from walking or talking. BRYSON's perfect. His life is really hard, and our families search for a cure. Oh my Gosh! Maybe science is ready for this. It's part memoir part medical mystery. We can do just about anything modifying. Heart in my throat, cure his controversial unlocking braces brain. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hello I'm Carol off and I'm Chris Hayden. This is as it happens the podcast edition. Tonight Bad Blood Louisville Kentucky is in mourning once again this week after police shot and killed the beloved local chef, we reach a city councilman who says given past police conduct trouble believing their account of how David McIntosh died trouble in the fields. One migrant worker is dead. Hundreds of others are Cova positive and an advocate for -Tario. Temporary farmworkers says many more at risk neighborhood watch Christian in Banja was surprised when friends flagged a social media post, warning about a black man breaking into a vehicle, because the images were of him opening his own car high contrast, the US President says he'll us. US troops to quell protests if necessary, but his defense secretary says that's a bad idea. Morning Glory throughout may a museum director in Germany asked people to wake up early in the newly quiet world, and collect the sounds of birds now he has thousands of recordings of the dawn chorus from beaks around the globe and sheep's that mass in the night, instead of just milling about the meadow, the attack sheep trained by a British worker became a ruthless security force, and it behooved any local thieves to avoid being hooved as it happens the Wednesday. Edition radio that guesses living wool is the best revenge. Coming. After a week and a half of morning, protests and police crackdowns, new charges were announced today in the death of George Floyd. Today arrest warrants were issued or former Minneapolis police officers. J., a King Thomas Lane. And to. Finally I'd like to announce it today. And it became attorney. Michael Freeman and I. Filed a complaint charges of. Officer King Lane and towel with aiding and abetting monitoring the second-degree felony offense. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison talking about three new arrest warrants and the killing of George, Floyd, along with an upgraded charges of second degree murder for Derek Shelvin. The fired Minneapolis police officer who knelt on floyds for nine minutes until he stopped breathing. Meanwhile demonstrations continued for a ninth day across the US Including In Louisville. Kentucky more people are also morning. Two of their own Brianna Taylor who was killed by police in March and David Makati. Mr. Makati owned a barbecue spot in West Louisville. He was shot and killed on Monday since his death. The city's police chief has been fired and Kentucky. Governor Andy Cheer. Has said state police will be investigating. Police have now released a video of the incident taken from inside Mr Makati's establishment. I David James is a counselor in the Louisville Metro area. He knew Mr Makati well. We reached him in Louisville Councilman James. Can you tell us a bit about David Makati. What would you like when you know? He was a really really good guy. He loved community. He would give food away and and he was like the social place to be was at his spot. You know, and if a meal cost ten. Ten dollars in you had been down on your luck, and you only had five dollars. He would cook the meal for you. Instead of saying you know, just pay five dollars. He'd say have the meal for free. You're going to need that five dollars. That's just the kind of guy was I mean everybody knew him? He was always trying to help people and do all he could to to make people's lives better. And even fed the police. He was just a really good all-round guy. Why did Louisville Police and National Guard? Soldiers? Why had they descended on that corner where his establishment? Yeah, Yeah's barbecue shock. Why were they at that corner that? I'm still trying to understand that exactly. The police say that they had a call because of the large crowd, but on that particular corner every day of the week. That's where people socialize, but especially on weekends. And normally the police get a call. It's only one or two officers, and they just come, and they talked to folks and say hey. You know we got A. Little bit and you can leave, and and they do. It's just conversation piece. but on this particular day they decided to come down there with the National Guard with multi person vans with police cars and roll out, and within seconds of being on their feet, start yelling about curfew and shooting people with pepper ball good. And that. Led to everything else and it, you know. I don't have words for it I just. Just, not good. As far as you can understand because we know, there are a lot of unanswered questions. How do you believe that David McIntosh got shot I? Don't have the answer to that. the video that the police released isn't very clear, and so I still need more I need more evidence to be able to form the right opinion of why it happened the way it happened and I. Don't I. Don't have the answer for that. Police believe that the video they have released two videos, and they believe that it according to them, it shows that David McAfee fired I. What do you make of that? I don't know that that happened I. Mean I I really don't. Know that that's actually what happens. I. Don't believe that it was smart David to pull a gun out when the police are. Are there in that moment? But at the same time I don't condone the way that the police approach the situation to begin with and part of our other. Probably have is that we've had so many problems with our police leadership here in our community. That, there's a legitimacy issue credibility issue, and so when you have a police department has good relations with the community and have not been caught in so many scandals that whenever the police say something. There's not this skepticism. Of I don't know and so just like on this. There's no body cameras footage for Miss. Even though there's a policy that says we're body cameras, and so we may not even be debating this issue. Head the body cameras spin on. Activated. So. There's just a whole series of problems that lead up to the situation. You said there was mistrust already, and it was just months ago, that a young black woman Brianna Taylor was shot multiple times in her apartment by police and killed. People in Louisville felt something had seriously gone wrong. How fraught was the relationship between police and the black community even before this latest incident? well, not only the black community. It's that. Large portions of the community are very upset. About Brianna Taylor shooting, and so there was already civil unrest and protests going on about the Briana Taylor situation. When the David? Makati situation occurred, and we still don't have the report for their of what happened with that one. In about two years ago, the police chief decided to start a process by which he would just having. To! High numbers of traffic stops and West Lula, which is where predominantly African Americans live in order to cut down on crime, which was a historically bad idea has and we've had many scandals, and it took forever for the mayor to finally fire the police chief just a couple of days ago when he found out that nobody at the scene of David Makati, shooting had their body cameras on. When answered Briana Taylor's apartment with a so-called, no knock warrant. They were not wearing body cams then, either it looks like. Is. This willfully undone. Do you know what the background is? That is what police are saying about the fact that they're not recording these incidents, so the background on the Briana Taylor shooting on the body cameras was that when the Police Department Institute, the program for body cameras the narcotics unit did not want to wear body cameras, and then chiefs it okay, and which was a bad idea again and so they weren't required to wear body cameras when conducting search warrants, and so now there's a new policy in place that requires that to take place, but it was not in place at the time of March thirteenth when that that search warrant to flush. BRIANNA tragically was killed. You mentioned that the Mayor of Louisville fired the police chief Steve Conrad. By a month before he was to retire anyway, but fired him. What else should the mayor be doing here? Today are public safety committee is going to be voting on a no knock warrant ordinance. We got another ordinance that we're working on. That would bar the administration from being able to hide nine one tapes and body cameras and radio transmissions and call logs. Under the guys in the Open Records Ordinance of saying an exemption because it's currently under investigation, so we're trying to make things more transparent, and we're trying to add an oversight to the police department as we speak. Councilman James will leave it there and I appreciate speaking with you. Thank you. Thank you by. David James A councilman. In Louisville Kentucky. Mark Aspirin says he disagrees with his president today. The US Secretary of Defense spoke to the media and contradicted Donald Trump. Mr Aspirin says he does not support using active duty troops to deal with protests. He made a statement two days after he accompanied president trump on his highly controversial walk from the White House to the steps of Saint. John's Episcopal Church a walk that took place after members of the National Guard and federal officers forcibly cleared protesters from the area. Here's part of what Defense Secretary Mark Espera. Today. I've always believed and continue to believe that the National Guard is best suited for performing domestic support to civil authorities and these situations. In support of local law enforcement. I say this, not only as secretary of defense, but also as a former soldier. And a former member of the national guard. The option to use active duty forces in a law, enforcement roles should only be used as a matter of last resort. And only in the most urgent and dire situations. We are not in one of those situations now. I. Do not support invoking the insurrection act. Last night. A story came out based on a background interview I did earlier in the day. It focused on the events last Monday evening Lafayette. Park and I thought it'd be inaccurate in parts. So I want to state very clearly for all to hear my account of what happened that Monday afternoon, I did know. That following the president's remarks on Monday evening that many of us were going to join president trump and review the damage in Lafayette, Park and at Saint John's Episcopal Church. What I was not aware of was exactly where we're going. When we arrived at the church, and what the plans were once, we got there. It was also my aim and general milley's to meet with, and thank the members of the National Guard who were on duty that evening in the park? It is something. The president likes to do as well. The pathway talk to and from the Church didn't afford us that opportunity, but I was able to spend a considerable amount of time with our guardsmen later that evening as I moved around the city. I also want to address a few other matters that have been raised about that evening. National Guard forces did not fire rubber bullets tear gas into the crowd as reported. It wasn't until yesterday afternoon that we determined. It was a national guard helicopter. Hovered low over a city block in DC. Within an hour or so of learning of this I directed the Secretary of the army to conduct an inquiry to determine what happened and why and a report back to me. US Secretary of Defense Mark Asper speaking to reporters at the Pentagon today. You heard him say the national. Guard forces did not use tear-gas. The Washington Post reports that the US Park police force also denies that its officers or anyone assisting them used tear-gas on Monday to disperse protesters, but what the police say they did use an irritant known as pepper balls is in fact considered by the government to be tear gas. And and. And and Going to grab something from the car is about the most mundane forgettable thing you can do in a day so when Christian. Did that the other day. He didn't give it a second thought until later when he had to. Some friends got in touch to tell him that someone in his Regina Saskatchewan neighborhood had posted a video of him on facebook with a warning to people to quote. Lock your doors, so Mr m`Banza who was black decided he needed to speak out about racial profiling. We reached Christian Buncha in Regina. Kristen did you have any sense that your movements were being recorded the other day? I honestly had no idea. I was very surprised when I saw the pictures. And you were just. It was broad daylight kind of residential street. You'RE A- truecard getting something, right? Yes so I park my bike on my car and I was using a telephone to unlock my car. But it wasn't working for whatever reason so I was just kind of standing in front of my car, and then after a while I decided to reach into my backpack and unlock my car with my keys, and then I got my wallet in water bottle. I think it was. And then you cycled away. And then I cycled away Yep all right, so describe the, but you saw posted on this facebook site. Well actually it was a friend of mine who took the screen shots, so she was a part of the facebook group. It's a private facebook chat for the community. And she was a part of group, and she actually recognized me, so she took the screen shots, incentive me, and at first I thought it was her who took the pictures until I read what the caption of the post actually said. Can you tell us what that was? So the Post said I just watched the whole thing happen. People are carjacking. Lock your doors implying that I was stealing. ROBBING FROM PEOPLE'S CARS And so, how did you react when you saw that you had been described as such won't getting something from your car. I I was shocked. So is it was kind of weird to realize what what happened and then I was embarrassed, and then after talking to some of my friends and having a discussion about race in what's going on in the world today. Decided to bring awareness to it and. Make a post about it on facebook. Why will you embarrassed? You never really want to see your name associated with a stealing or or negative news, especially being a teacher and a proud member of the community. You see your name associated with something like that. That's absolutely not true. It's a little embarrassing especially when your friends and people that you know, see the post as well. And what do you know about the person who recorded the video? Absolutely nothing. He's, but he's in the neighborhood right? There was this is this is your mother's neighborhood? Is that right? Yes, it's the same street. I'm not sure which house it was, but it was on the same street that my mom lives on. The CBC has tried to get in touch with the person who did the recording, but person's now deleted the facebook account so if you could talk to him, what would you want to say? I think my first thought would have to be the educate them on why that post could have been dangerous. What was offensive in prejudice and then educate them on how maybe to better look out for the community? And the assumption that they made that because you are black man that you breaking into this car. Is that the first time you have been racially profiled in Regina? It's not and I. think that's part of the problem. The people of Color Struggle with here. John is that this isn't an isolated incident. It wasn't an isolated incident for me and I don't think it was for many people of color, but it's something that I think we've just learned to sweep under the rug for very long time in with what's happening now in the world, it was a good time to speak up and I think a lot of people of color seeing that they have to step up and speak their truth and give their stories to show that it's not perfect here in Canada. It's interesting. You say that because I'm sure you've. You may have noticed that a number of prominent. People have said made public statements that Canada doesn't have a problem with racism that this is something that we're watching in the United States. Exist here. When play a little bit of what Ontario's Premier Doug Ford had to say yesterday. It's like night and day compared to Canada and the US I'm proud to be Canadian I'm proud to be the premier of Ontario, and I know Canadians just won't tolerate it and I won't tolerate it and I'm sure every leader in this province. Won't tolerate it so I. You know again Good luck to him and Hopefully they can straight note the problems and thank God thank God that We're different than the United States and we don't have the systemic deep roots. They they've had for years. Alright, not sure which part of that I should ask you to respond to do. What would you say to Mr Four at the say? I would say that I think is part of the problem in Canada is that there are a lot of people in power who are denying that there is a systemic racism happening in Canada I think. If you ask any person of color, they can tell you that they've been Racially profiled that they believe that there is systemic racism and especially the Indigenous Community Yes r are racism looks different, but that's all about. It isn't just because it looks different doesn't mean it doesn't exist. He says we won't tolerate it. Do we. I think it's been tolerated for a very long time especially talking about the indigenous communities of the reserves the. Residential schools the fact from the residential school and it's still happening and we haven't fully accepted fully. Helped the first nation community in Canada. You're a teacher you're students are grade seven students, right? What kinds of discussions do you have with them about racism in Canada? I think it's very important that I talked to my students about race in my class. I make sure that whenever issue happens I mean. Should we address as a class in that? We're able to air concerns. Talkable wide things happen. WHY SYSTEMATIC RACISM! and. That's why initially made the post I wanted people to have an open space in open platform to speak their truth about what they've experienced. What's happened in their lives? Cushion I really appreciate speaking with you. Thank you. Thank you so much for taking the time to Duffy by. Christian unbundle is a teacher in Regina and that's where we reached him. That's a recording that Michael Gorman and his son made at the start of May around five in the morning that day the pair went out to a forest in Germany. To record the sounds of birds. They did it as part of the Dawn Chorus Project which was Mr Gorman's idea, and over the month of May the project received thousands of recordings from around the world. We reach Michael Gorman in Germany. Michael How many birds do you think that we're listening to in the course that recording? You can hear very strongly. The blackbirds at the Eurasian Blackbird, which is the. Dominating at the sand in the foreground and in the background, you've got some great tits and pollutants. Diluted? Has the higher pitch signed in the background It's hard to tell exactly how many of tapestry of science like most don't choruses, but certainly the the star is the blackbird. You had so many responses to the request for people to record sound. What? Why did you start this project? Why was it important? It was triggered by the realization that threat lockdown the covid nineteen lockton. Was a huge reduction in the amount of sound generated by humans. There was a reduction in. Airplanes in the sky onto far fewer. Cars on the streets, and that meant that we were as well as being in an extraordinary moment for other reasons, we were also living in an extraordinary acoustic moment when when pretty here the signs of nature much more clarity than usual, that's. Stimulated the idea of Encouraging people to go out even if they were under lockdown at even at the garden are. From the balcony. With a smartphone and make recordings off the dawn chorus of the birds, just before dawn, and then share it with us global sitemap of the chorus, and so they tape. We heard was the according you made in your home in Germany and near your home. What we're else did these recordings come from? The wouldn't we heard was actually made by my son, my six year old son, just nearer home. They know forest. Just outside Munich Germany and we have recordings. We've received over three and a half status recordings over the past few weeks. submitted from all over the world from Japan. Indonesia Australia North America. Also size America from Columbia from Chile to from many countries over the world, so we've been ready. Amazed by the response, and it's it's incredible just to just to listen to the variety of science on here is from around the world. It really connects people around the world even with language. It's an amazing phenomenon when you get these tapes when you can hear the sounds from everywhere from India to California these beautiful wild symphonies. Can you identify a large number of the birds yourself can? Can you hear them? So I'm not myself an ornithologist, I have. Basic amateur show of of the birds in particular European birds but Luckily I'm working with some very talented ornithologists scientists from the Max Prank Institute of Ornithology on today are working with us to really use this as a way to understand the situation, burt by diversity so was. He's a key issue right now. There's been in the last fifty years. Decline in North America, for example, thirty percent in the number of birds present as this is a project where. on the one hand it is connecting people through birds on the other hand. We really want to make to the away to understand the situation of bird by diversity in to repeated regularly, so we get a picture of this as it is the Dawn, chorus, project or Websites so. Just to tell people what it is about that time of the day that just before sunrise set actually is the best time to listen to birds. Yeah. It's very interesting so in. Temperate countries. We have this phenomenon that particularly in springtime. When birds are seeking mates, son, also defining their territory that it starting from. A eighteen minutes before dawn. You have almost o'clock where you're different bird species that begins singing, so it starts off with the the red starts and swallows, and then thrush. Right, here at the moment we have a huge number of Cuckoos, so you hear the Cuckoo as starting a about. Forty minutes before dawn, and then then you get the blackbird. which we just territory you get to the Yellowhammer Robin, the COP, the ran so right up until sunrise you have a new voices entering the dawn chorus of these different kinds of birds, and who are the late sleepers. Was the LETSE for the CIA finch finches combined fairly late in the starlings the starlings have an amazing voice. Huge range of science that they can make date. They can fairly late pretty close to them. I want to play a bit of another recording. You send task. This is one of the someone sent you from India. This is have listened to that. It's quite different than what we heard from. Your backyard so are from near your backyard. So, what can you tell us about that? Do you know anything? Can you identify? That loud bird. Yeah what that says sent to us from a main India which is close to him by on the person who? submitted it to the website they. They said the the Zapping Which? Apparently. They've heard particularly strongly. During the nineteen lockdown periods said so. I find that quite an interesting recording. Just a species that somebody maybe wasn't aware of being in the neighborhood was very strongly heard at this moment. Yeah sounds very interesting Michael and encourage people to get at four thirty to listen to their dawn chorus as well they still can before the the traffic in the noises. If humans begin once again and I appreciate speaking and hearing about it, thank you. It's been a great pleasure. Thank you, Bye bye-bye! Michael Gorman came up with the for the Dawn Chorus Project. He's the founding director of the Bio Tokyo. Museum, we reached him Burg Germany and you can find more on this story on our web page at CBC DOT CA SLASH AI H. I'm Keith Macarthur. Unlocking Bryson's brain is a podcast about my son. The rare disease that keeps him from walking or talking embraces perfect, and his life is really hard, and our families search for a cure. Oh my Gosh! Maybe science is ready for this. It's part memoir part medical mystery. We can do just about anything modifying DNA. In my throat, cure his controversial unlocking bryson's brain. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. covid nineteen outbreaks are multiplying on dairy farms on Sunday. A young man from Mexico died after contracting the disease in Canada. Hundreds of other workers have been infected to more than one hundred and fifty workers at one farm alone. Ontario's Premier Doug Ford says his government is on this and is taking action to keep migrant workers safe Chris Ramsey rupe isn't so sure. Mr Rams Rupe is an organizer with the advocacy group Justice for migrant workers. We reached him in Toronto. Mr Rams Rupe what our farms and Ontario doing to reduce the risk of COVID, nineteen infections among migrant workers arriving here. So, before the arrival of many of the migrant workers, in March, many advocates had called and said that workers should be housed off for the entire season. They should be put in hotels motels to ensure that there is social distancing. In many cases were seeing that the status quo still remains that workers are still four to five people in a room. There isn't enough space offer social distancing also within the workplaces, so we're still getting reports from workers of crowded conditions recently, a video shown on a CBC of a farm in Leamington put into a warehouse during the quarantine period The place looked very cold and it was. It was basically is really terrible beds, and a very cold space out. There was forced to live. And so the conditions haven't changed much, and that could be a concern for you and I, and what about the isolation when they first arrive, because this is the concern in in the lead to some places, like New Brunswick not even allowing temporary for until recently allowing workers to come, because they could bring infection with them, that was the idea, and so they would be isolated. They'd be in courting fourteen days. Is that happening most of the cases of the agricultural workers and to date there is? Is I believe four hundred and forty three workers and Ontario that have have the covid nineteen. These are both Canadian and migrant workers. It seems that in most parts, Ontario, the virus was contracted from contact with locals, so it seems that whether it's locals at working on the farms, I enlarged communities I that that has that this is where the virus house being picked up I with the most recent farm. Scott Lynn are the workers for instance were quarantined at. They've all were successful has is. Corn period so I think it's important understanding that it's not American workers that are bringing the virus to Canada, but that is afterwards oppose period. That's what's happening in communities, so then what happens if one of these workers is infected or as a carrier what happens with all the other people that he's working with? Thank you so earlier. When the first pandemic broke broke out. Atta Greenhill greenhouse in in Chatham Ontario. Several workers expressed concerns that when they had brought forward or with the allegations when they brought forth, worth workers were sick I it wasn't dealt as properly by management and were hearing not just from from this particular farm, but from farms across Ontario is that there's a containment strategy where in some. Some cases the farms aren't quick enough to act separate workers who are already been diagnosed with the virus, and who don't so it seems within the Mike in Population on the farms are that there's mixing? That's how it's spreading wants to Martin worker population when these workers have found to be ill, and some of them are gravely ill How were they treated? What kind of health care do they have? Irrespective of what your status currently Ontario whether you're insured or not insured, the Ontario has said that everyone should have access and agricultural workers and migrant farm workers would have access to healthcare. Our concern is later on the year when an injured or sick worker cease to three months down the road, they face medical repatriation, which is sent back home in effect we as Canada. What we do is we basically download our healthcare responsibilities onto the people the global south, so what we're looking for right now is to ensure that any worker who is sick is result of covid. Nineteen aren't sent back home, and they receive full access to health care here in Canada. A, Mexican worker a man has died of of covid nineteen since he has well, he's been in Canada. Is His family. Be compensated name. Any is going to happen to to assist them. So we're trying to reach in contact with the family side. The up had a lot of experience dealing with families of deceased workers who lives have been destroyed because this is their sole person provides for them a lot of time. Just questions. There's anger. There's resentment their sadness in this sphere, but also at the same time it's also wanting answers to their questions, and that's as a Canadian. Canadian society, which fundamental here that we learned from these deaths and develop ensure protections to ensure that these things don't happen again. What we have heard from farmers from people who who who hire these workers is that they can't function without them. They can't. They can't harvest their their their crops. They can't get them seated. They can't work without the assistance of this labor essential to them. Then Ontario's premier said this week that his government is on this and he's going to make sure that the workers are kept safe. What would you say to the premier tonight? I I'll see to the premier. Don't target Mike Workers if you're going to conduct. Testing increased testing for the general population don't specifically target migrant workers. If you'RE GONNA, undertake testing of the agricultural industry makes sure Canadian farm workers. The management bosses are also being tested number two. You've had an opportunity to ensure that wage for central workers hazard pay changes to health and safety in employment standards definitely need it, and for the federal government, fifty four years or fifty five years of a program that brings migrant workers without dignity I should be ashamed for all of us out their families in the Caribbean suffering right now, so we have to ensure that the security safety of the workers are put first and foremost, and we provide both federal protections to help these workers out. We Will there Mr thanks much speaking with us. Thank you. Bye. Chris Ransom Rupe is an organizer with the advocacy group Justice for migrant workers. We reached him in Toronto. Things are looking better and better in BC when it comes to the Corona Virus Covid, nineteen hospitalizations are low the number of new infections, even lower restrictions are easing up and people are ready for things to get back to normal, and that strikes fear in the heart of a teacher Ram. He's coping with a permanent lung damage after surviving a grueling case of Covid that had him in hospital for fifty days. He doesn't want people to forget just how serious the implications can be if the virus spikes again Mr, Ram spoke to CBC. Radio is the early edition today. They quickly rush me down to ICU. That's when things changed and got really worse. They didn't x Ray. And they saw my whole entire lungs, which was filled with the MONJA and fluid, but I was literally drowning in my own. You know of fluids and I remember asking the the nurses. Can I get some water? He was look. We can give you water. We're GONNA intimate you tonight. Do you have family? I see his wife and three kids. He was missing. When we intimidate you. You're going to be pretty much sedated in a coma for three to four. Weeks We don't even know if you're gonNA. Come out of it. If. You have anything that you need to say to family. I'd make that phone call now I want you to think about this. And I want you to take your time. And when you think about this. Because, you may not make it through the night. And it was the most scariest. Frightening experience that I had and he was very compassionate about it. He was I I. Hate to say this, but I'm telling you the truth. This is the way. You need to know this. And I thought about it. These stabilized me. And I made that phone call that night to my wife and my kids. And both of us were crying. And that was giving the messages to my kids is if I'm going to be gone and I was I wanted my daughter to graduate. I'll be there for in spirit when she graduates if you. Told my sons. You? Know some advice. To my wife to do. And I couldn't talk much because I could only let out certain words. Ask for forgiveness from people. and. And then I said to my wife. I said look. The next set of messages I can't talk anymore I. Love You, guys. But the next. Message I'M GONNA to send. You is going to be through texts. Here's what you need to do. What I want you to do if I'm not around. and. That was the worst day of my life. A T SCHRAMM A covid nineteen survivor living in Surrey B C. he spoke with CBC Vancouver's Steven Quinn this morning. He may not be on the ballot, but Barack Obama is weighing in in a virtual town hall this evening, the former president of the United States, and it's only black. One expressed his support for the protests that are sweeping the nation, but he also urged calm and encouraged people to channel their anger into political action, specifically, the kind of political action recommended by his own Task Force on twenty first century, policing that report was published after the police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson Ferguson Missouri nearly six years ago. That report demonstrated something that's critical for us today. Most of the reforms that are needed to prevent the type of violence injustices that we've seen take place at the local low. A reform has to take place in more than nineteen thousand American music felt more than eighteen thousand local enforcement jurisdictions. And so as activists citizens raise their voices. We need to be clear about where change is going to happen. And how we can bring about that change. It is mayors and county executives that appoint most police chiefs and negotiate collective bargaining agreements with police. And that determines police practices in local communities. Is District Attorney's states Turner's the decide typically whether or not investigate in ultimately charging those involved in police misconduct, and those are all elected positions, and in some places there. Police, community review wars with the power to monitor police calm, those oftentimes may be elected as well. The bottom line is. I've been hearing a little bit of chatter in the Internet about voting versus protests. Politics and participation versus. Civil, disobedience direct action. This is A. Either or this is a both. The bring about real change. We both have to highlight a problem and make. People in power uncomfortable, but we also have to translate back into practical solutions and laws that can be implemented, and we can monitor and make sure. We're following up on. Former US President Barack Obama speaking virtual townhall this evening. I'll mind. Takes us. That's a clip from the trailer. For the two thousand six horror comedy, black sheep, in which a rampaging army of bloodthirsty sheep, terrorizes a farm in New Zealand apparently, it's the result of someone meddling with their genes and failing to take into account the ramifications the ram ramifications. The lesson is that humans should create armies of aggressive dangerous sheep, and yet when Carol spoke with Keith Clifford later in England, he seemed proud of having done just that, and was extremely matter of fact about the sheer brutal power of his battle sheep. From our archives, here's Carol Conversation with Mr Clifford from March of two thousand and seven. Mr Clifford, why did you train your sheep to be aggressive? Well We. We had so much Burglaries individually and we had. We were gain Lotta. Stone tiles stones stolen. which you know, probably is a costas share costs. What village I went so sings. Go. You never replace them not the same. What exactly was being stolen cultured stone tiles. And who steals those tiles? This, is it you see we don't know. We were getting fed up and we have a neighborhood watch. Doctors come through. When anything happens like this and we were getting them to and three times a week. And also what he's telling me done something about it. or I chained up. You can trade it like dog, so it was great. You know so well, I. Got Some more than the end and I finished up twenty four. But I only take five or six. They work with the dog. ever leave me. They're always writing my legs as I walk in. And if I take a black one I I sometimes comes. AFTER DIVA TO Very often because I'm fall over. I'll say say arch me. But Doug, we'll go into driveway and see if there's anything in there. She barks will run to the driveway and lineup across the driveway, so no one could get away. They come out. This seems to be working right well. The lineup and guard that plays the dog has identified as possibly being a problem. That's really yep. Anyway since since I've been doing, this is third season. last summer is the first summer I was. Taken in the daytime, but the police said okay do it. We have reduced crime to do very two's very spoiled ones she's. Now you saying your sheep of actually caught robbers? They um actually cooled. We have caught the people I know I'm looking for. I. Know Certain People Strangers. There's something going on and I go with the sheep and I have cold. I'm co them in action. And I hope I never asked to, but. they were Impressive me using suspicious item was. For the sake of just stayed in a few quit from somebody who go plenty. That was huge A. The intimidated by your sheep and all. They didn't like them. They definitely didn't like them first of all. They said it was wrong of me to use vicious animals. and. They also said that they wouldn't hurt you and I said well try. Let's try them. I said you in the air and you'll come down like a piece of rug and. I seen that group of people sent. Christmas before last now you told them that sheep would attack and tear them up, so yeah would really do that, or are you just trying to scare them? They would do. Yes, they would. They will kill what another. So you could vicious sake that. There's one nice sleeping by the door by the door every night to protect us. I didn't he so vicious that we couldn't go outside the door? I told him castrated to slow him down a little bit and. Then, we're on myself so. He's very good and I. The other day was attacking me I'm one of the others looking at him and I told the other one to get the any gotten. Way He belted him with his orange. They got big orange. This is the frightening bit with them. They hurt. I've had a broken rib. Bruises everywhere from the the other day or at a Fox, all my chickens and he used to come to the back door and I said she wouldn't. It stays up here. I sent him off to the folks. On Dining At full speed and they can read motor I spent. I can do fifty sixty miles an hour. And I haven't seen that Fox here's he hits him somewhere. That must have. It wouldn't have killed him there, and then because I find him the. He's obviously dyed somewhere. So he's obviously he will. They will go if you want to, but you've actually developed. You've actually taken this a bit further, and you think when you're sheep, my tear someone limb from limb. They would. Yes, they would do. But. This don't happen as I said but I. I can control got control day on night with them. But if I send them, I. Don't think got control and with our laws. I'm going again serious trouble. And can you actually sick? Your sheep on someone can use. Can you get them to go and attack someone? I think I could. I could get them to attack me and I think they will do it for on other people. especially at night. They are known to be aggressive. I? Wish. Not Jacob Cheese. Cake sheep both a of people have got to get rid of them because they. Are So bad temper. This is rams are us. Rams is supposed to real sheep now. How big are these Jacob Rams or sheep? Dip detail. Just give me A. can you give me a reference to? Those Asian Dog. Katie! To go and measure our else H. Quite like a very. there. They're very very low to you very very loyal and and much easier to train the dog. I mean my dog right now. He's trained to that. Go on in front, but she on Beazer all loose. Don't have lied, and they won't with you. And if a car companies you just call them up onto the site and they stand on the side. And So wonderful war with. Listed Clifford. Thank you very much for speaking with us. Okay I'm for by. From two thousand seven, that was Carol speaking with farm worker and Sheep Army. General Keith Clifford of later in England's now for reference he would have to line up sixty, nine, thousand, eight, hundred Jacob. Sheep had detail in an easterly direction to reach reading. But I wouldn't recommend it. You. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast, our show can be heard Monday to Friday on CBC Radio One non Sirius Xm following the world at six keeping also listen to the whole show on the CBC. Listen APP download it for free from the APP store or from Google play. Thanks for listening I'm Carol off and I'm Chris. For more CBC PODCASTS GO TO CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.
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I thought it was Takashi. Six nine little brother as I've been thinking about you a lot if you get sick. It's all hands on deck. I knew strong and healthy because you both have to sign my check. Tj says he's already had and beaten the corona virus matter of fact he said it on this show then again. Tj Can't spell chocolate so how the hell out of service shows summarize those special effects Novado to just me and my guitar performing for you. Scientists are working on a vaccine and studying this virus evolved. Lots of theories are out there but I know Carol Basket somehow involved. I'm sure of it. She's accused feeding her last husband to Her Tigers. That would have been some feast and the fact that the tiger was seen wearing his glasses. A Red Flag to say the least remember those cartoons animals again close You still can't find common household items. The main one is toilet. Tissue but sixty eight percent of people are pet owners. So I don't see why this is an issue song is called. The week's worth of shows. Summarize for you know special effects no audio to just me and my guitar. Reforming Ace has been quarantining with his fiancee. You Never WanNa feel like you're being caged but his fiancee is actually his caregiver and he just says that they're engaged. Whatever you say. We're married as that must be weird self isolating with her just waiting for life to resume while you're busy doing taxes. She's perfecting a tick tock in the other room we're just. We're just about a week. From Easter. We celebrate the resurrection with everyone. Jesus I'm excited. You're coming back. Could you bring toilet paper when you come? Let's talk as two weeks where the shows were ice cream no special effects just me and Mike Guitar. I've been social distancing my whole life since the day I came out of the womb only like three people would know if I died and they're all sitting in this room Lindsay. Lohan has a new song out today which we've been waiting for to arrive. Plus we got introduced to Joe Exotic. It's a great time to be alive today. National find a Rainbow Day. Congratulations if you already did so get out there and find a rainbow and your dad who abandoned you as a kid. It's called it shows special effects this me and Mike. It's off performing for you. Rigorous fast naked funny this is the TJ show. I am not exaggerating right before the show started. Ace said these words. I didn't realize it when I was a kid but now that I've gotten older I realized just how great our wrestling was been south wrestling them back. The Reagan got an old and wise. I realized that was damn good. Riggins discussing WRESTLEMAINIA. He brought it up and he got the you get a free in. Ww trial still guessing. All the old school wrestling the tone there. They have the old school wrestling from when I was a kid on their faith task a task. You never appreciate it when you have it until you don't. That's right something like that. How long has your free trial? How's it work a month? Okay so just how good are wrestling are wrestling. I would never ask them with so good. This wish paid more amish to it at the time I would love to see the actual numbers because what I haven't seen any numbers about how many people watch it or whatever they think but I bet it's pretty decent considering about the only thing happening over the weekend that and people not adhering to social distancing. Yeah there. There was a shot yesterday of a big park here in the mothership market of Charlotte and There were people playing volleyball in the bar. And they're like well. That's that's like twenty people not obviously social distancing over the the rest people think they're outside it doesn't matter yes same if you're outside one hundred people in the park and most of them like two people here to people twenty feet away. Most everybody had kind of distance themselves pretty well except for this clump of people right around one section of the park that clearly. We're figuring we're family. We don't have to social distance. You're in the middle of the park or something like that or playing volleyball. I did have family. They don't have we were we. Were out walking the dog. Just get out for a little while it. Okay you have to social distance. I get it but you don't have to be a jerk about there. Was An old couple coming down the down the sidewalk so we came out of our building. We come out and make a left where we're going and there's a there's a there's a you kinda go up the hill for the rest of the building and it's probably twenty yards from where we were. We were stopped with the dog. And there's an old couple and the couple they stop and I can see them and because if they come down the hill and we go up the hill at the same time on the sidewalk the way it's situated we would pass within about four feet of each other side by side going past each other Which doesn't bother me. I still walk right past. People don't think about it but the old lady stops old lady probably sixty sixty five. She stops and stares and just with this menacing look on her face like we have somehow because we came outside of the building intruded into her space and forced her and she stood there and as we walked up the hill she stepped to the side and we made sure. The dog stayed out of the way when they started walking. She just stared as she walked by. Like how dare you come out and like I've messed up her entire walk because I suddenly walked outside of the building in front of her? I'm telling you it's mainly because old people are mean these days. All most people are jerks. These you mean these days. Since there's a virus going around and attacks them and their death rate is higher than any other group of people since then or before before that but specialists in thin all right and they're just jerks but what did she say again. Staley and it doesn't get radio which is Kinda. Give me a dirty look and go to hell. If I if I ever heard look had a sound it would shut up leading everybody else. Friendly You encounter people were jogging has gone fiance. Yeah okay I. We walked much much much younger fiance. Could that have been confused? Look on her face. I didn't think about that. That didn't occur to me at all. Think about that. I don't like it even more of a reason for her to keep her. Sit Down on me mad at the people staring at you because your air was way down Pasture shoulders back. And you were wearing a long cowboy duster and a cowboy hat boots and spur chains on no need for them to. What are you looking at your old and this would stare at TJ delicious audio has a little something that if you haven't heard the world has gone crazy because of Joe Exotics business partner and wilty he spilled during a cameo for dodgers star Justin Turner Los Angeles Dodgers Baseball which is weird but yeah he Dropped a little tidbit in there. That now has everybody going crazy. Is there more? Joe Excited to come this week and proof that now take breaks all. There's a song blow it up. Eighty thousand tick tock have been created with this song just over the past week or so. We'll get to it all and delicious audio next south new as TJ dot com now available as a mobile version through the ACE TJ APP. Stay connected funny on the as and TJ APP available itunes and Google play more AC TJ. Coming somewhere out there. There's a man on a park bench eating his five hundredth. Pb AND J. He has no idea papa. John's has new PADEAS. That are way better than a boring sandwich with John's best meats cheeses and veggies hand folded into a crispy flat bread crust. Someone better tell that man. Get a New Papa D. and one of four flavors for just six bucks better ingredients better pizza better than a Sandwich Papa. John's not valid with discount fees and taxes at your prices. May Vary. Hi I'm Bobby Barbara Independence since he director. 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They he and his wife made a video message for Los Angeles Dodgers Star Justin Turner and Jeff and his wife. Florence say they heard the Justin was a big fan of their docu series. Then he drops a bombshell at either this that everybody has been trying to find out that Saturday with hit what is true. And what is not true of this? Acorn Justin. This is Jeff. Florence from the tiger show on Netflix. Thank you for watching a show. Christie said you're a big fan and yeah you need a life you just wasted seven hours on ours. Take Care Guys. We love you. Netflix says adding one more episode will be on next week filming here tomorrow. Take care stay safe and put your mask on. No word from Netflix yet. If you'll take your do rag off to trade up on a mask on. Take your do rag and that silly flat bill hat off your six years old and gets genes that are completely intact. And that didn't come from buckle circa twenty. Oh three you low life truly really other than that. I think he's great. Yeah it's gotta be like. Where are they now? Kind of thing date of what's happening with with that new park. They were building. I'm GonNa Watch it though. Heck Yeah So officials in West Louisville Kentucky Shutdown. A drive through test center Last week saying it was a scam. That people were The people running it were charging two hundred fifty dollars to get tested not clear if the tests were even real Now people started asking questions. bill here in this clip. Though there's one small issue with the signed specifically they had set up. I'm sure everything is being done properly. Yes or no people have pacers outright pages also have think or hippo cindy putting them on camera which get your violating that I know certificate you spell hip a role you spell. Hippa IS HIV testing. Yeah Yeah that's what I thought you ain't got no we're talk. We're about to start your Mama's house that got you attack it up and leave and every time we see you around here we chase you. Where are you from whereabouts in Kentucky? Say Your mom was ask your moms out. Oh and we used to say everything happened at your Mama's house from your mom. Where'd you get the Ham Sandwich? Your Mama's house say every almost all questions when I was a kid growing up in Louisiana Mama's obviously tick tock and make or break. Song Tigers got a new quarantine inspired track. That has blown up. It's getting released to radio stations next week because it's blowing up online so much. It's called board in the house. Ah Camborne House in a minnows boy in house in House Boyhood in now's board and onboard in a month in house boy born in House board. Houseboy where I board in Osborne in house boy love. Now's board and board a month in US. Boy Boy boy boy boy boy boy. Anemia thick skin on cats. And I'm going through my Netflix for in a month. I ain't even doing that. A Mickey shaped nearly eighty thousand takes octave been created. This all because it's perfect perfect for Tick Tock. He would just doing stupid things and stuff off the wall jumping-off furniture and because the way the way musically the way it set up with the beat is heavy as it is. It's easy to make things fit with that so easy to make your own take video that my wife's been So sarcastically Messing with my daughter. Who's nineteen and She keeps saying Laney. See All these Moms and daughters. Doing take talk videos. We need to do one and she thinks that. Laney is getting put out by that. Because she's embarrassed she doesn't want to do a tick video with her. Mom is just that Laney knows she joking and she's being sarcastic and she's just said no so many times he's like okay. I get it I get it. It's funny stop. We need to do want put me on. You know every time she says that. Put me on. Put me on. Talk Radio Very Okay we have tips to keep your relationship in tax during the crisis You're saying well wait. I listen to you guys every day and we've already done the list of those came from Dr Phil. 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Don't lie to US anymore. Everybody was talking about last week. It was one of my favorite singers. Died named Bill withers and I mentioned something offhandedly on the show the other day about a song that was sampled and become famous in the recent years. That was a bill withers song. Originally it was this song. No diggity no will possibly the worst feet wrap of all time by Dr Dre. This is the original by bill withers grandma. Hey clapped in Church Jones son. Immonen grandma tambourine used a wound. And she'd see Eli. Don't you run so might followed up these snakes there that Graham now see? That's the thing about sampling song would have heard that song form and thought. Ama- if we speed that up at a little little bit of synthesizer kind of a new instrument to it we can make it really funky that difference between somebody who is a musician and uses the sample as a musical instrument and somebody who just says. I just grabbed that it will loop. It didn't do that over and over. That's that's Dr Dre making art. Yeah now with this rap. No in that heart with his xeres make art with my ears. That's what I do. I'm an ear artist. Which by the way my wife. I figured another little thing out about my wife and kids when they asked their parents question and appearance. Say we'll see. Yeah it's so annoying. We just tell me yes or no. We'LL WE'LL SEE. We'll see you say we could do that. No I said we'll see my wife doesn't say we'll see and this is where there any anybody's asking her a question about doing something. I just the kids in her version of we'll see is we'll have to play that by ear. God gene wants to know if we're going on the boat Saturday We'll have play that by ear. I love that noncommittal perfect. Yeah we go no play by. Play that by Dr Dre. He's an artist playing it by ear and TJ. All right there is There's a question that I have. According to a story that we have people Rodman a drugstore. It's not in the article. 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Tj Show Regan Scott a funny story about his Donald Airy Everything from Let's say around seven twenty eastern all the way up to the top of the hour and eight eastern is just one featured story right after the other. So there's riggins dog story. Tj's grocery store story and ACE's Lake story taking up the whole hour with story time I'm going to I know I have idiot. And there is a cova nineteenth outbreak. All Lake it is my fault. Okay here's the thing These two Dirty good for nothing. Rotten scoundrels are accused of robbing CVs in Florida. And they stole Two cases of Corona Beers according to the report K now their weapon was to go in and tell everybody we've got the Corona. Stay back and let us get what we want and keep away from us and we'll be on our way they come in and say. Hey I've got the coronas. We want some coronas beer and then they they flay. According to the witnesses in the reports now most people would stay away from him. Not Try to stop them right. Yeah Okay but let's say you were the type of person on Oregon's this is going to be a stretch for you. You are the type of person that would be the Good Samaritan and try to intervene and stop them. Maybe tackle one of them to the ground or something. Would you be more likely to tackle one of them to the ground? If you if you were pretty sure are you had to assume that he had the coronas or and this is this is gross. And I apologize but I have to do it. Just for the the sake of of the radio bidders in the experiment corona or. He's got a huge boettger on his hand. I'm taking corona. Yeah I'll go easily corona absolutely by. If he's holding it up yeah right. I still maintain that that is the most effective bodily weapon you can have is to threaten to put that on somebody if they don't get back. One hundred percent coronas going after the other like let him go. Yeah let him go. It's only two cases of beer. Let him get out. Even if you know you know you're going to get on your clothes. You still yeah. I'll take the corona too. You can rob a bank with. Nobody's ever tried it. But I bet you could guarantee you're going to get the coronas in that case. Yeah right teed. You're the other person somewhere. Oh coming up on. Dow trending with Regan's a tiger at the Bronx Zoo has now become infamous. I'll tell you why in less than ten minutes in now tremendous. Tj What do you think of when you hear the word citrus? Is IT ORANGE SLICES? After a soccer game or a lemon wedge in your water at your favorite restaurant yes and yes but another thing that citrus springs to mind is sharing because citrus was literally made to be shared and no one knows that better than sunkist sunkist grows the type of citrus. You can't wait to peel or add your favorite recipe. That was just missing that one thing and with over forty citrus varieties. You'll never run out of things to share or people to share with all your friends coming over for game night or Book Club. 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It's like a where are they? Now I would imagine. Net flicks hasn't said anything yet. Netflix said nothing official or anything but everybody waiting on that word. Come down more content. Bring it on bring on today's National Student Athlete Day. I know we've got some student athletes here. We sell their wonderful accomplishments. You guys are both student athletes. I was myself. You guys are in good company and it's Yeah this is one of the first things. He pointed out being so screwed up about everything. Shutting Down Because of the Corona viruses Just the activities in High schools for all the students the seniors especially you know prom oh no championships of of spring sports and all that kind of stuff. I mean if you're a high school baseball player Lacrosse those sports. You never got to even have a season. Yeah your senior season just been wiped off the books your senior prom. There were problems over the weekend and I'll give credit. I don't want to take away from now trae but I just saw something that a friend of mine. The that I thought was phenomenal. My friend Adam and his wife. Tammy have a daughter. Saturday night would have been her senior Prom. And she's great student Volleyball Scholarship to college all this kind of stuff. So they have no problem obviously and prompt such a huge part of your senior year even the build up to problem more so than the promise itself but he sent me pictures Saturday night. They set up at their house a senior prom. They decorated the house and he he and his wife got pseudomonas. Wife got address on her older sister goes to college is home. Obviously because they're colleges closed she put on one of her prom dresses. She got her prom gown and they had lights and they had a big knife pre prom dinner and they had. They moved their furniture rounds. They had music and they had signs up. That's like Prom. Twenty twenty and the whole thing like they went all out to change their house and make it like a prom environment and he pointed out. It's not prom but hopefully it gives her something that when she looks back on. It should be able to remember go. My family did a really cool thing. I just thought it was spectacular. Yeah and he got to follow through with his dream of being drunk chaperone at a at a problem. I mean that was taken away from him. Yeah that's very true. I know it's not problem. There's no whip it's and no wind. It's important for less kids. It's bad stuff And there was a four year old tiger female tiger named Nadia at the Bronx Zoo that tested positive for corona virus. I believe it's the first animal. That's tested positive. After developing a dry cough and loss of appetite which are two things that you see in a human corona virus patients so a little scary news but all the Tigers Nadia and her sisters. Yeah or recover so I think that as soon as people are allowed to go back to the zoo they reopened for business. They ought to get people back in there by doing a special promotion with Rob Gronkowski and call it. Bronx Zoo for a day on the ground and let him be the zookeeper and guide people around. And all that you come come meet Rob Gronkowski at the Bronx Zoo. Perfect big weekend at Wrestlemainia now. He could be spokesperson for the Bronx Zoo. Love that Yeah all those things are trending. Okay has the story about his dog. that he just said. I have story about my dog. They cannot pay it. That dial Dow so You know we figure since nobody's listening. We'll see whether it's good or not. Who knows these are? These are testing grounds coming up next the as in Tj show would like to thank everyone who has helped with ace TJ's grandkids. Charity are once a year trip to Disneyworld were chronically disabled and terminally ill children and their families please visit grandkids dot org for sponsorship opportunities. And again thank you mores and TJ coming up TJ. He could be a very handsome man though. Okay who yeah Joe? Exotic complete reconstructive Cinzia Jay. So we begin Story time we're going to have three stories for the rest of the The hauer here Regan's has the first story something about his Dow and then I have a story and then as has the story they're called Riggins dog story. Tj'S GROCERY STORE STORY IN ACE's Lake Story. The triple a triple threat. Our First Regan's dog story. Yeah I got this dog. He's two years old really cute looking a lot of questions about him because he looks kind of like a little bear so when we're walking around a lot of people have questions about him beautiful. I love this dog more than anything I've ever loved in my life. I loved this dog. And he's giving me so much love in return for example getting me a ton of phone numbers and attention from women as I'm walking around unexpected consequence but listen. I'm not complaining. Of course women love him because he's like this fluffy bear like dog and they all want to come over and so I met a lot of women that way. I've gotten a couple of dates from it so fast forward to the weekend and I get an email from guy says riggins. I was wondering if you have a male or female KS on. That's the name of the dog. We have a one year old female that I would like to breed. They're not too many in in the Charlotte area. If you're interested please contact me now. One thing you need to know about my dog is that he has this ex- drive of like a seventeen year old high school boy. He has constantly trying to hook up with other dogs and I always have to run over there. Pull THEM OFF Spare newt hold on okay. I'm calm and it's very embarrassing when he's trying to hook up with these dogs because the owners of the female dogs are always freaking out so I always have to go run over and pull them off and I thought you know what this dog has gotten so much female attention I should return to favor as the wingman. I should let him hook up with a willing participant. It's something he loves he's never gotten to do for a long period of time. Now here's somebody who's willing so I'm like let me email. This guy back is dot hot like a wing man for my dog which I want to do. Here's the thing. My dog is neutered so he could not this female pregnant so should do it to let them hook up with a dog. Or what can they hook up at? All if they've been neutered doesn't seem to have a product that that though may be establishing dominance rather than be sexual thing that type of Of humping may be away that he's establishing dominance over whatever other dog there is but I I always thought that once they got neutered than the reason for that a lot of times not just so they wouldn't be getting Every every dog in the neighborhood pregnant but also to calm them down so they don't have the testosterone that it takes that they're always you know bouncing off the walls. I guess I thought so too but it doesn't seem like it's slowed him down at all really not at all what it would be. Unfair to this guy extremely. Who's giving up his dog. I mean yeah it's not it's not right to take your dog over there to try to impregnate his dog so they can breed knowing. Your dog can't do that. Yeah you're just trying to make make his a little slip you listen. He's helped me. I'm going to be a good wing man with some hot little one and a half year old era. He's helped me out with this guy does won't stand that. Dogs Wing Man. He seems to love line up and other dogs. There's a guy who might cain still do that. There's just no end to the story for him so I got you even better listen. I know it's dishonest. And it's not right and probably not gonNA do it well. I bet you'd have to come on the radio and say hey who who would be willing. Let Their dog or offer up their dog to take my dogs for Jenny. And somebody would probably got grossed is that I get it but I thought it was an interesting proposal. What did they can't do that with this guy's dog because it's not fair to him unless unless the guy you know. Here's the store and he's like oh well okay well let them have robin the sheets so to speak one night stand but it has to happen at a certain you know in a certain window for the the girl. Dog Right. I've no idea how that works doesn't Doesn't she have to be on electric throw? Tj Okay So. I had to run to the grocery store yesterday to picked up a couple of things. And not being what you call in Mr Cove in nineteen social distancing experts. I have a few questions how I conducted myself and and was it right or not knowing what the APP is your source for streaming more show after the show live each weekday ten am eastern or download the more show after the show. Podcast stay connected funny on the TJ APP available at I tunes into a play. Tj coming TJ. Shift cool cats and getting the grocery stores are considered essential and have been given the esteemed privilege of staying open by authoritarian governors throughout the United States of America. So I was going to To go to one yesterday and all. I'm looking for with some chicken because I was getting my meal. Prep and on for the week as I was walking out the door. I said to my lovely wife I said. Hey Do you need anything from store? yeah yeah. If you're going I do. I'll just text it to you. I said okay so I get to the grocery store and before I even get my truck parked. I get the text from her clementines lines for Avocados Mushrooms. Cucumbers baby spinach a Panatela. Boar's head white American cheese half-pound ever roast chicken from the daily. We'd Hamburger Buns. Tortilla is good seed bread large canned green beans or too small cans eggs eighteen or twelve if not eighteen organic milk. Ms Schubert's Rolls Two packs and deodorant. Laney sent you a pick. Good Lord no okay. No way apparently running to the grocery store grocery shopping for the week because I realized they may not have all this. But thanks for trying. Oh all right. So they did. They had pretty much all of that but Having been you know from the beginning of corona virus hysteria I have been one of those people that other people who are scared to death are. Oh my God you're not taking this seriously enough or your minimalizing this and so forth and so on when I'm not I'm I just look at the facts and the cases versus The deaths and what the WHO? The deaths are occurring in these type. He will needs type people and all that and I've never been really. I had one little `bout in my life of germ phobia and then I got past that and so getting having to get past. That has made me. I guess maybe a little the other way because you got once you have some sort of an addiction which mind you know that that germ phobia and all is kind of the same as as breaking an addiction. You don't constantly part of the process is don't worry about getting sick every time you touch something every time you're around somebody where so when something like this comes along. I forget but yesterday at the grocery store I was all aware. I'm trying to stay six feet away from everybody right but I don't know the rules that everybody else's following because if they're camped out in front of something say it is the Avocados his my wife says and I'm waiting six feet away from them and they stand there and then they mingle around something else and something else. Are they gonNA freak out? If I get within six feet of them to go get my Avocados. Are we have to wait? As while I'm waiting other people come up and just zoom in there and then they get so there's not an an a line of order or as a bunch of Americans who desire to be Europeans. Now Call A. Q. There's not a cue to to be in while you're waiting your turn so it's either your respect in the six foot thing or you're not then. There was this one couple. Both of them wearing masks like like they worked for main Mako. The car painting company those types of math and they're separated just enough where he's standing there with the with the shopping cart and then she's kind of roaming around looking so he's got that whole area where he's just waiting on her. He's got that quarantined six feet each way and then wherever she is she got so they had basically half the produce section all of themselves at their leisure while somebody standing there who's already had corona virus and I'm the I'm the person they want in the store I'm the person they want in the store with all the dirty infected people Because I didn't had it confirmed. Yes well well documented and confirm okay if I hadn't if I weren't so sure that I had it. I wouldn't wouldn't be so fearless around it so there's no rules for that anything. Yeah same thing in the in the drugstore there today. They've got the markers on the floor from near to where you stand and all that but when you're in the aisles I'm trying to stay away from people and people are just people who work there. Walk Right in between me and stuff all the time. I watched the guy at the grocery store yesterday every item. He took off the shelf put in his car. And it was a bunch. He was doing a lot of grocery shopping. He wiped each item with the wipe. They antibacterial wipe and then put it in the Basque. Okay somebody else is GonNa have to other people who are going to touch that the union wipe them again when you get home because the person checking doing the checkout is going to drag them across the scanner and then the person bagging them is. GonNa pick them up and put them in the bag. The suggestion I saw is You're you're gloves in the grocery store but you wade into the wiping. Ask Take everything out. Very reason right. You're wasting your time look and not to minimize the situation. I know corona virus is serious but it doesn't change the fact that it makes me snicker every time when an adult asks another adult if he or she wiped out. That's just funny did you? Why antija okay. So as has the story now somebody being on the latest and being an idiot wouldn't nailed it nailed it. We'll do that next. There's more of the Ason. Tj show coming up TJ. Show presents a moment with aced. There's a forty four year. Old billionaire named what he's in Japan. This is the TJ show. So Saturday afternoon. We decided social distance and my fiancee. Amanda not insider take vote out because that's allowed and my daughter was going to go with us and I have a just to kind of set the scene. I have a pontoon like a part of ours kind of thing twenty six feet long and I am going right into. There's a cove on the lake where the boat is kept it right there too. Big Open area off the main channel and we were just stay in there and we thought you know what we'll take the dog and we'll just go hit one of the islands that we go to quite often and you can just run the boat on that and and you know. Let the dog on the dock in Rome Randall. The Island no problem. We get in the boat bagged out. Take off and head. I mean it's literally two minutes we're going from the dock to where we're going to one of these two or three islands that are kind of scattered around in this big open cove area and we take off. And there's this one island that I of the of the two there. There's one that I kind of prefer. It's an easy run-up Sandy beach area. You know no problem but there are about ten to twelve people. Looks like there could be some little kids. They're and they're clearly like a family group. So they're not to back door. But the social distancing thing but they've already established one part of that little island where they're set up so. I thought okay. Well there's plenty of room for us but I don't want to impose on those people 'cause you don't want people run right up on even though we wouldn't be on top of them you know that little area you're trying to especially in this day and Donald make comfortable so there's a little spot around the corner from that and this little island that I've never been this part before but it's you know fine no problem and We come pulling up you know. I do the drill to raise the motor. No problem income. Slide up and as we're coming in right as I reached to decelerating the boat I hear and that my friends is the sound of two pontoons cruising over the rocks. Coming a little too hot so instinct tells me I you're cool. Sakon but I think I've run too far up on his ground a made to get off the boat with the dog and the dog's a dog loves beat Alabama. He's running jumping in the water. And you know play. And he's so excited she's out there you know. Tell me tell me. They're thinking I may have a problem here. Turns out I was correct. I had a problem I had it was much more shallow than I expected it to be. And that side is rock the other side of the Sandy. Our area just wasn't familiar with this one. Little parks have never gone to this one. Little section inside got out. I've tried to push it back like okay. One person I'd be able to do it. I think it would be a couple of. We need to try to push this back and we couldn't get it now right across from us and it's not the things not twelve feet wide little area where we are. There's a guy who's vote is anchored right off the edge of the island and I can see he's out in like waist-deep water he was standing talking and it was super cold which freaked me out to see him out there and after about twenty minutes of trying different things. I hear this guy's voice say. Do you need how can I help you? He's waiting over here. He comes across a little island and Amanda said we we may have and I guess we're GONNA help guy walk. Somebody was mad. Happy this happened. I'm like yeah he goes. I love your show every morning. No here's the worst part would expect nothing else bless. His name is fully bay. He is unbelievably kind. He's like let's see we got we start in the two of us now two grown men and we cannot get. There's a bit we're able to turn it sideways a little bit. But that's not helping because we're just turning it sideways into the shallow water more. So he goes there some guys on the other side around there those original people and I gotTa make this quick. Amanda runs over and ask. Can they help because she was already standing on the island with the dog? Five more guys come over. One of them may have made a comment. I wasn't sure so I didn't say anything about this is I. They said why. Don't you get in the boat and just crank the motor because we had raised by liberty and one guy goes? This is like an instagram account. Because she's wearing a bikini and the whole you know yeah so But it took seven of us. Grown me to push this boat back out Rodriguez. And what are the guys goes everybody? You're not Kobe right right. Well it's too late now to push the water and then you left obviously right as you got back in the Water. Hang around we stayed. That's the saddest part we out of the. I'd go pick up my daughter. That'd be Luke background apart from the other side. Extra sleep that area. Wow so it's very bears. Every weekday morning at seven eight and nine eastern Regan's host out to get get the latest from what's going on around the world live on the Act J. Show on the TGIF have available at itunes and Google play more TJ coming up.
2020-10-05 - KSR - Hour 2
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Ko Rt Dot Com Kentucky's all time. Overtime Record Ryan is three and eight. The three wins are Alabama and ninety seven. lsu In oh, seven and eastern in seventeen. So we only do it every ten years. And, only gets the big boys lsu. An eastern Y- Ku that drought we save our best for the big boys three and eight is we're record that's like so that that goes to show it does feel like. It can be frustrating the game that people have written that I think is a good example of sort of a random comeback is when we beat bobby portray no in Arkansas with Randall Cobb do you remember that most most people have left the stadium and with heartline and COBB? We came back that's right. Yes. heartline through the past Randall Cobb I'd forgotten about that I was there in that zone matter of fact, remember is seven. I WANNA say with like four minutes to go and we drove down scored got a three and out and scored again quickly. Yeah I believe that's a good call. Good call. So. I still feel like we've had more painful ones then. I mean it's two three, two, one, four, two, one painful losses to good winds. Phones I did want to note. What did Friday Night Ryan when I went to we had Friday on the show the Jackson County coach who came on here and talked about his game against Shawnee that they played in the West End, the Louisville and I was sitting here when I got back to Louisville Friday and I was like you know what I want to go down there my plan was really to go See the start of it when the team sort of at the beginning watch a little bit and leave. But I went down there and and Shannon you're a little guy. Have you ever been to the area where Shawnee High? School is yeah. I've been there win. I can't remember I'm sure I've been there though in years past. Well, I have not been. Yeah. I, mean. Unless you're going to Shawnee high school I don't know what you'd be doing down there I mean there's just not a lot there. But it's Something over there. Well, there is but not next high school but yes, there is a Shawnee Park over on the if you keep going down there but it's on like thirty four and market or something like that. and I went out there and Ryan. It was a fascinating thing because when I got there, there was almost nobody there i. mean there was Jackson. County. Brought probably forty or fifty fans out of school bus. Mostly I think family members of the players Shawnee had probably. Seventy five people there. But there wasn't very many there. But I went there to watch these two, these two places play, and if you missed show Friday Jackson County is on the edge of Eastern Kentucky is the most Republican County in the state aid is also one of the poorest counties in the state. Shawnee is in the precinct voted for Hillary Clinton more than any precinct in the state, and it is also one of the poorest places in the state. And these two areas besides the fact that both have struggles. Probably have on paper very little in common, but they played this game because Sean. He couldn't find teams to come and play because people were said they were worried about safety. It was one of the best experiences that I've ever had and I mean that. Right for the game, they brought the two teams out to midfield and the coach of Jackson County gave a speech and it was an awesome speech and as I was watching it, I thought to Myself Man I. Wish. America could hear this last quickly started filming it. And you probably at this point have seen it was on my twitter. It's now gone viral I think it's been seen a half million times by now espn contacted me and asked me if they could use it I don't know if have or not or if they will. But I gave permission, we'll see if they do at some point. But. Basically, he got up and said, look the world says we got nothing in common but we do. We're going to show everybody tonight. and. Like I said I planned on staying a few minutes I ended up staying for the whole game. These two schools I think it's fair to say neither are great at football. They mostly lose I. Think Shawny has lost fifty five straight games. Jackson county's record has not been great. But those kids were as into that game as I've ever seen, they were intense. They were passionate close it was competitive. And I was so proud of everyone there. It was senior night at Shawny and as those players would get introduced the Jackson County fans from deepen APPALACHIA got up and cheered every player. At the end of the game after Jackson County had won the Shawnee fans gave them an ovation. When do you see that almost never but they did. And when the game was over at on the field, the two teams hugged each other in a way that's not normal for these kind of things and I watched them have conversations. I listened to these kids from these places. Say We gotta do this again they took a group picture with all of them hugging each other. And I found it to be like one of the most inspiring things. I've been around. As the course of the game went on after I sent out that video I think there were people in Louisville who just wanted to be there because there weren't that many people at the beginning of the game by the end of the game, it looks like the crowd doubled. And when it was over, you know Jackson County had to drive two and a half hours but nobody was really in a hurry. Some local business decided to buy both teams pizza they sat around and ate pizza for a while. And Maybe, my favorite part was the media showed up by the end of the game. And at the end of the game, the media was interviewing these kids and you could see how excited these kids were because these teams are very good. They don't get interviewed very much. And they were in the excitement on their face of even being interviewed by television station. It was just awesome to see and I want to those two coaches from Jackson County from Shawny deserve all the credit in the world I talked to the Shawnee principal they're going to Jackson. County. Next year and they hope to set up a partnership where these two schools will play each other in a lot of sports. As a way to continue to sort of you know interact with each other. oftentimes when you turn on television especially in the last few months, it just feels like we're all at war with each other all the time. But in the real world, I've always believed we have more in common than we don't. And if I was ever wavering on that. Friday night at Shawnee high school was proved that we do. and. I needed that sort of uplift I'll be honest with you and Ryan it was one of the coolest things I've been a part of in a long time. Not just you need it. We we all need it and he's sixteen seventeen, eighteen year old kids. Are showing US life lessons that we can all learn from I. You know we talked about this and the previous two I. I love this story. This is going to be one of my favorite stories in a long time. Don't care about football don't care who wanted to game but what they're showing us these kids from inner. City Louisville and these kids from rural Appalachia Kentucky. Come together and play football. They just WanNa play Football Matt and. All black team and an all white team it doesn't matter they just WanNa play, and so they're teaching us life lessons. We can all learn from and I. I love it and you need to see match video of coach Alex Story Pre game speech because it'll give you chills it's off and if you've seen that video and you didn't see the picture that I sent out after look for that to where all the players are kind of you know their arms around each other for a picture after the game. I hope we can see more of this happening. Eighty dollars the I can't remember who said it. I wish I could remember there's some famous. Quote. That's basically like the cure for prejudice is interaction with each other. And I completely agree with that. and. I watched a man from Jackson County. A Big Dude who was wearing overall. I mean wearing overalls Shannon in West Louisville right and he was standing there with these two African American women and they were having a conversation for a long time. and. I was stayed at Charles Booker now is like that group of people never talk to each I you know what I mean like there's not a scenario but they were laughing and talking to each other for a long period of time and Shannon thought see that's what's got to happen because like that conversation otherwise would never take place. That's really cool to hear. That's not like you said that's not something you see in West? Very often Guy Jackson County Jackson County is all for the most part you know like that just is not something you see and I I just really want to say my appreciation for coach Hallaq and I'm sorry I've forgotten the Name of the coach at Shawnee but he deserves credit as well. The administration's it was just a really cool night and I hope that nationally somebody picks up that story I mean, he's got a lot of play here in Kentucky I hope he gets picked up nationally I I talked yesterday to Scott Van Pelt about it and he was excited about it but he was like I'm off right now. So I hope somebody picks it up because it deserves to be picked up. It's a good model for the rest of the country whose name Jalen. Harrington, is the Shawnee? Sherrington. Yes. co-chaired. Whose Neck Jason Jason Jason. This is a this is baby matt. How're YOU DOING EMMA? Baby how are you? I'm doing good a couple of things I noticed from the game. It's the little things that make the biggest difference now we all know. About the AJ rose and him being the senior that's what really hurts because it lets us know you know you gotta be disciplined. You're a senior and you're supposed to be a leader, but there was another time. Miss. Started the game with a huge drive I mean they ripped off like fifty yards and then we stopped them on like the second down. And Josh Paschal. Starts talking talking about and I'm thinking to myself. This isn't the time brother just ripped off fifty yards next play they get a first down there was another plan, the game where forty four, who made a lot of good tackles fourth on defense. He flicks after stopping somebody at the goal line or not the goal line at the line of scrimmage, but then the next play. Oh. Get the first down. So it's like, okay once the teams plenty to us and you're jogging to the sideline, I understand talk your smack, but we got to be a lot more disciplined. I mean. If we take care of the little things, you know we can salvage the season. That's I'm with you. Completely I appreciate Khan I totally agree with all that we talk too much and accomplish too little I'm all for talking you know there are some people who say talk trash that's just not the world we. Live in now and you can wish it was different, but it is these news go out on the court sometime people are all talking trash. It's fine I'm alright with it. But if you're gonNA talk you gotTa Show Up. You remember a few years ago Ryan Willie dyed his hair blonde and John Cal Perry said if you're GONNA die your hair blond you better play well, right Yep you'd better back up now if you're going to talk like especially our defense, our defense talks a lot more than our office. You're GonNa talk you better play. And we're talking and we're not play and I can't talk anymore. There's a couple of dudes on defense I'll watch talk jamine. Davis played I thought very well if he wants to talk I'm okay with that like you know Clinton Bohannon Marquand McCall thought did a pretty good job at knows if they WANNA talk I'm okay I don't want to hear our secondary say a word Like they should never talk we need to win and they need to get some interception. We haven't created a turnover yet like I want to see us do something right before we start yep it. Yeah and like you said, they were flexing and after they were just given up long plays give up a touchdown two minutes and thirty seconds into the game you better shut your Yap burn stop somebody I, for you say who was the dude was is What I can't pronounce his name, but the do the stop third seventeen. If he wants to talk after that play, I'm okay with that was a heck of a tackle. That was a great tackle. Yeah was but the rest of these guys, what did you have flex and Yap about when you're smoking almost every play? Who Tat who talks trash after a fifty are road. Bosnian, fat. He's the only person I know who does that Assistant to the Regional Manager Slam? With the With the trash talking five, Oh two, five, seven, one eighty at Kyi sports radio here Shannon I. WanNa, can I get an AD in here? You? Sure you can. You give me permission. As man has the relief valve on your water heater failed. Not yet but I'm sure it's going to eventually if it does it'll poor gallons of water into your basement or maybe you'll have an electrical shortage in your office that will cause smoke and water damage or maybe you have a musty odor like Ryan Lemon that indicates you might have a mold problem Ryan. What would you do then? I Call Shannon. No, you know you call sir, pro what would you? She Ain't going to do about it I'll tell pro Shannon doesn't know serve pro dot com they'll come and they'll make it like it never even happened one call to bring your home or business back to his good as news S. E. R. V. P. R. O.. That's one eight, hundred, zero pro. Pro Dot com make it like it never even happened. Don't call Shannon call certapro franchiser independently owned and operated, but it's there for you at serve pro dot com we'll take a break gary. Back. To. Talk About Jones in the crew called the Clark's pump and shop phone line at five, Oh two, five, seven, one, eighty, or one, eight, seven, seven, nine, four, hundred, eighty or just the Kentucky Brandon or tweet of the day by tweeting Matt at Kyi. Sports radio. You're listening to Kentucky Sports Radio on Talk Radio. Back taking sports radio. Seven, seven, two, seven, seven, four, five, two, five, four. Rights, Matt. Don't you think we should have more games where teams from eastern Kentucky play teams from wool I thought about that Ryan I would love to be able to do like some sort of bowl like preseason ballgame to set up three or four of those matchups that'd be really neat something to think about. I. Mean I. Don't know how you do that stuff. I talked about doing one of those sort of Boll Panoramas and then covert hit you know it didn't happen. But that would be a neat thing if you could. Yeah I think it would be awesome. Have A double-header tripleheader. Some some facility it'd be. One year you do it in the mountains when you're doing Louisville, right? Yeah. That'd be great. That'd be neat. Bobby Bowden just tested positive for cove in nineteen ninety years old. So prayers to bobby about by bad was one of my favorites when I was a kid Kentucky football stunk in the nineties and I kind of picked Florida state. Ryan is my second team and I really liked Bobby Bowden. Really Cares Guy Yeah I think most people have respect for him so we wish him well. I do want to give a chef. I can't we have our guy loyal listener. He calls in a low double D, he's in the hospital right now and always listening right now. So we want to give him a little shoutout to hope he's feeling better soon. Yes. Shout out double d you get better soon and we hope to hear from you soon. Rights Matt I was Sad Shannon wasn't here Friday. Does he have a big conspiracy theory about what's going on with the president? Do you have a conspiracy theory feels like you're always a conspiracy theory know what people actually believe that he doesn't have the corona. Virus. Kinds of things I don't think I think it's ridiculous to say he doesn't have I. Think he has it. Of course he has. Yeah he hasn't. So what's the conspiracy theory? I. Think I think they thought you might think something we no no no I think I think that's on the up and up I don't think he would fake that. Yeah I don't either he doesn't like to seem weak. He May. He may fake signing a piece of paper, but he's not going to fake. Been Funny Yeah they did you see that Ryan? They showed him Oh. Yes. Signing. and. It was a sharpie and a blank piece of paper which I liked. Yeah. Yeah I. Thought I saw the. Conspiracy theory out there that he was going to use these experimental drugs and come out you know healthy like, okay. See I told you. We were going to beat this. I am the hero we've got the drugs to be no, we're he'll definitely do that but that's not a conspiracy theory that's just who he is. If he beats this, which I hope he does he will brag about eating. That's what he does I mean that's of course, right? Yeah. Do you think let's make a prediction? Do you think they'll have any more debates? No. No. Can you drive with you? I don't know how you can do it now with. So many of the not just him but his staff everybody around him seem to have had to do a virtual debate where you gotta on. Mute them when they're in the same building. Can you imagine? It would be even easier. You just meet their screen I mean they do it on. It. Don't you think round the Day on his. People get mad if you museum. Bias. Somebody that'd be. Commute I just I know you have a time when your time's up it's an odd I got. Yes. But what if what if somebody interrupts don't interrupt your how you GonNa Interrupt? You don't have a Mike. You're saying, don't turn on their mind until it's their tire you go. ooh interesting. It's not that hard conte on assume that actually could work course it could. I don't know I. Just don't think they'll do I don't know how you do it. Right? I mean, they're saying they're going to have the vice presidential debate this week. Ryan I think that's kind of irresponsible too. Don't you? Yeah I was surprised when he said that just because somebody like I said it's been around the president, but it's not even just that he's next you don't. Like he's next in charge. Yeah. Try You would want to protect him more if he's next in line with thank you would put him in a bunker like if I was in charge of the world. Wouldn't you put Pinson a bunker right now? I'm being dead serious. I'm. Not even kidding. Wouldn't you Shannon? Maybe, he shows up to the debate in a has met suit then. I series until trump is like fine, right? I think I think you have to protect the vice president don't you have to protect them? Yeah. I don't know if you throw them in a bunker necessarily. Him under a room I'm just saying like he has a bubble of sort Scott. WHO's next after that Pelosi but they haven't they haven't done anything with her either. Got Chuck. Grassley like eighty six and like mowing the grass I don't know. I don't know all these people are so old in there pair. Everyone is so old when he young blood in there. Or something. Tom It gets less appealing by. WHAT'S UP TOM Man I never played football and I don't I don't understand the celebration ever. Claims but I gotTA say one thing I hope our staff never does. and that's the turnover chains and. Allman I. First of all, we'd have to get one. We haven't gotten a turnover so there's nothing to do. Yes but the turnover chain I don't know but they had a ole miss had a touchdown chain. See I like you and I disagree on that I think that's got Oh. Was it. At this trophy mentality. But it is. It's a trophy they earn. 'CAUSE THEY GOTTA turn over. Their job. Well I mean you get a I mean you have a job and if you get a bonus, isn't that? Would you say if your boss wanted to give you a bonus don't give me a bonus. It's my job. Sorry I just I just think that's just plain or play. Well I appreciate the call I. Disagree with that. I think those are fun. I didn't think it's funny that old mrs go get the bag. Did you notice that? The Guy who scored go get it no. No the the guy gets turnover gets a bag. It's supposed to be like a bag of money. Trouble for cheating Oh. Yeah. Yeah turnover chain. Overnight, we'll take a break. Thanks for listening to talking. Sports. Talk. To the White, House press secretary just tested positive. Kaley? mcenaney I think. They're all going to get. Yeah I, mean, they don't like they were mask. And I'm not saying they wouldn't have got it. But they're all gonna get it. So maybe they do need to throw him in a bunker. On saying. Look at how many people got it, and it looks like it all came from that one event on that Saturday and have you seen the pictures of that via the? Everybody tested positive and they're all surrounding Mike Pence. have. You seen that like they're all like? have. Basketball mask on and they're all sitting right next to Mike Pence. So if I am worried just about America, you've got to go protect Mike Pence don't you? Family like my pants, but you've got to protect the man you are. Politically Traits a bigger issue than that? That's why like. You. Know I mean I know there's an election coming in. That's unfortunate but like the continuity of government. Is is more important than this election as strange as that sounds to say, but it's the truth because the worst thing that could happen to this country is a vacuum of leadership. So you gotta, go protect him and that picture on they all have it all around him. Here's a decent chance. He might give it a try. You would think that you want to protect him, put him in a bubble somehow because he's our next in line. You bring up the point about the debate his debate on I would not send them to that debate I just I don't know how you do that. But what do I know? I'm not in charge of anything what you think of Jimmy Butler last night. Insane I mean. All of a sudden just decides like, Hey, man I'm going to be Lebron for one night and just everything. I mean like insane forty points how about this only the third player in the modern era to score forty points in NBA finals game and not make a three. Wow realize the other two are, let's say you to or smart who the other two people three point line start in like the seventies who are the other two people since the seventies to score forty points in the NBA final game and not even attempt three. Kareem Kareem is one well done and WHO's the second I want to say Jordan Jordan shot threes. Yes. I thought cream would be harder. You should get the other one. The other one to me is pretty obvious. Magic. Show. Shower yeah everything about shock me check taken either. But the thing about cream shack is that that's not even their games. So like of course, they didn't take thirties but butlers actually perimeter shooter and still scored Forty Ryan without even taking a three. And he hasn't been. countered onto kind of store scoring. Then all of a sudden last night is like, okay look guys. I'm going to step up tonight and take them to win that game with both Bam androgen. That's I mean Kelly Olympic had barely played the whole series. He comes in there and he's draining threes I mean that team I really enjoy watching that team. You talk about a group of people. I don't think they'll win the series I still think Lebron idea with but you talk about dudes who the whole is greater than the sum of the parts of the Miami Heat the perfect example of that. Yeah. No dynamic superstar on that team they played well, Tim Duncan Robinson for crying out loud their starters played. Shane and Dunkin Robinson played in college at a D. three school like. Ranchi. Literally. There's a dude in the NBA finals that went and played at a school like transit. US Don't see that in the NBA maybe a major league baseball, but you don't see maybe. Yeah. But not in the NBA, right I, mean like go watch Transi plays center this year and tell me which of those dudes playing in the NBA. It's an unbelievable story. It is an unbelievable story with these heat and like I said I don't think they'll win. They might win one more game but I think they probably lose in five but it was remarkable that they won that game last night. Now, the baseball divisional series what do they call this divisional series Ds the they they start today we'll play. Let's see the roads Pack I. Don't WanNa hear you. WanNa. Hear it listen they made the playoffs. That's. Mad You Myself Ryan could put three of us up there. We could've scored zero runs in two games we could have done that. I don't have enough I don't have time for. What we need to focus trash-talk last two days he was gone we didn't. What is the head is we have the Yankees play the reins. Who you got Yankees or raise well, I picked the Tampa Bay lightning parents live down there somewhat to pick the raise Tampa raise. Okay. Shane who you got raise. I'm taking the Yankees. You know what I did the other Night Ryan I listened I. Don't think I've talked about this on the Air I listened to the Yankees talk about that. Listen to the radio game the other night you may have the pre-game show because you've talked about it. I don't think was okay Sr.. Told you off the show anyway. Yeah, the Yankees. Color Announcer Shannon is like a seventy year old woman. And she's awesome. How long has she been doing this? She's been doing it since like five, and before that, she was like sort of like their sideline reporter but they car caller Ma Yankee She's the only color commentator for any pro sports franchise on radio that the woman there's a couple on TV like Carol Austin did although now she's at Duke but endorsed Burke but on radio and I listen to her and I was like I thought she was great. So anyway, just just a side note I didn't even know they had A. Female color commentator and they do. So I'm taking the Yankees Youtube. Got The race as Astros Ryan. Astros after all their controversy in the trash can gate here astros are back in it up taking them cheering for like the evil astros they're proven everybody wrong. They can still play Astros all right Shannon I'm still on the as. A picked them to go to the world. Series. All the way it did tell me one person that plays for the as Ricky Henderson Jose can. SACO. You. I don't know anybody. Who Simeon Is at first or last last name Okay Trevor Siemian. I don't remember his first name Simeon though. Simeon Rice. Football. I'm taking the as as well. So so you so Ryan Has Yankees Astros Shady's. Raise, Astro race astros she didn't raise as and I have Yankees as all right braves marlins Shannon. I assume you'll take the braves oh. Yeah. About Thirty Ryan who do you have? I'm going don mattingly the Miami Marlins Stay Hall you're just because the cardinals aren't that's right. I think the braves I remember for the braves. Now I, mean they go back on the bandwagon aren't you bet? I gotTA, pick shut up. Care I got to pick US UP MONEY. So I mean of the other teams I'll I'll pick the braves and then finally padres dodgers I'm at this very moment where padres sweatshirt that I bought. It I'll take the Padres Ryan. Who Do you? Pick padres, beat the Carta dodgers the best team in baseball. I don't think he's lost twenty games this year. Yeah, they have a lot of players. So there you go. There's your baseball preview who's next. Let's go. Darryl Darryl, how're you dare? Taylor. You doing good. What's up? A couple of quick thing I love to play in Patchy is the Because, person Spradlin is based feeling boy and I. Don't know if Y'all know this story Jacob Rice but he's a Johnson central point guard that Latam to the sweet sixteen, the all time games played later, they'll come to see us allegiance. He got an offer even though he did all that and school never offered, and then they went to moorhead played in in a merely an he. Kids up there in. Princeton Spradlin seen one day ended up giving him a spot on. New Routes. So there's a kid on moorhead who got an offer by playing intermurals. Yup Persons Bradley noticed. Mural. That's a great story. That's what everybody that plays intermurals ride hopes will happen and it never does happen and it happened for this kid and what's his name again? Gay Cabrera Jacob Rice I liked that well good for him anything else darrow. One more thing. Yeah I've been meaning to tell you this for a while you know I bought probably five copies of your for family and Friends but. I just want to commend you. For. The story that you talked about you know your sprung and. It really hit home and I WANNA to give Larry be tell out. There making the main yard. So you had the humble you detailed story and you know I really appreciate your. Well. Thank you. Sir that was. I thought it was important and I appreciate the call to. Talk about that in the book and I I've had I've had so many people note what that chapter about Taylor, county how it helped them and that was worth writing the book so I appreciate you. Noting that and by the way Ryan the paperback comes out. Tomorrow. I don't really know what that means. Exactly. I. Do know that the hardcover came out during coverted. and. Now the paper bag is coming out while the president is in the hospital. So timing has not been great Ryan for either of the of the book releases. Will coming out perfect time. If you're starting your Christmas shopping and you're looking a little stocking stuffer. To do media I once again had a big string of media to do at once again, it all canceled barrel. Hospital. Yes. Did it really? Yeah. I. Mean it is well. I do have the Andrew Yang podcasts. They comes out this week. So okay, good. But I had like seven different things setup Shannon and then they all this weekend we're like listen in the hospital so we're going to have to cancel that. Push back the delays the book a couple of weeks. Well you can't like. It's like all the bookstores already had they already have it. You can't. You can't do that. So well, it's fine. I mean the book sold pretty well for the books sold so well at the beginning that like it exceeded expectations and like the first two weeks. So it's all good but you know my ability to to to have to wear a suit and get out of this hooded sweatshirt has gone away for the rest of the Week Well Janet every time I WANNA do this my phone stops. We'll do it when we get back, let's take a break bags Kesar more. The chaos are blue lights across the bluegrass county by county virtual tour presented by the Kentucky off of Highway Safety after this to talk to Matt Jones and the crew called the Clark's pumping shop phone line at five, zero, five, seven, one, ten, eighty, or one, eight, seven, seven, nine, oh, four, eighty. Now back to Kentucky Sports Radio on talk. Radio Tanny so this. Really. With the pro football focus or whatever it is. They rate every player in college football every game. Okay. They give them a rating on. Did you do what you were supposed to do? All Right? Terry Wilson was the second highest rated quarterback. Josh Ali was the second highest rated wide receiver and it has just come out Chris Rodriguez was the highest rated running back. and. Yet we lost. Like I said, the problem was not the offense. Ladies Gentlemen Boys and girls it was right across the other side of the ball our defense defense look really think about that. I mean. We have the. Second Highest quarterback the second is wide receiver and the highest running back and we lost Shannon. Last two we beat them on paper just not on the field I mean you look at the stats everything would point to Kentucky winning what do you make of Chris Rodriguez being the number one and not Aj Rose Ryan. I I'm surprised I mean I knew he had a good game. Is he definitely our best running back. Do you think he is our best running back? Would you make Rodriguez the number one? He's he's our best guy. He's the guy. I mean, I know the staff loves AJ Rose I think he means a lot to the guys but Chris Rodriguez is our best running back. Text machine seven seven, two, four, five, two, five, four, one person writes Matt. Can you believe Kentucky's favored three points over Mississippi state that seems crazy to me. Doesn't seem crazy to me. I mean look. Here's the thing about Kentucky. Fans when we're good, we always think we're better than we are when we're bad we always think we're worse than we are. The reason we're at three point favorite is on paper we're probably even with them and the Games at our place I mean I know Mississippi State Lsu but then they lost at home to Arkansas so which ones the real Mississippi state I don't know if you watch K J Costello Oh against Lsu have thought he was fell quarterback. Arkansas he looked worse than anybody I've ever seen. So you know it is what it is. Now the big difference is lsu played man and Arkansas played zone. We play Zone A lot Ryan. So that's probably a good good sign for us but if I'm Vegas and I'm setting that spread I probably make. Kentucky. The favorite by small amount and that's what they did. I was surprised Mississippi State only scored fourteen points at home against Mississippi State. You call it. You said you wait Mike. Leach just. Seventeen point favorite and I to me that there were two games that I invested heavily in this week and I had a great sports gambling weekend. But the two games I invested heavily in Tennessee over Missouri. I thought that was a slam dunk and it was and then Arkansas Mississippi state I just I didn't pick Arkansas to win but I thought they'd cover and Ryan. They dominated the game. Yeah not only covered one dominated the game at home. Starkville Misano Man Mike Leach is the king of great game, terrible game great game, and that's why people wonder. Sometimes, why has no top programme ever hired him Ryan that's why schools like Texas Tech Washington State Michigan Mississippi State. They want guys like that. But if you're Auburn, you don't WanNa do like that. You gotTa have a dude who's consistent. So. Philosophies that he's GonNa have a great game against us well. I think what's more likely is he lays a or against us and then goes and Beats Auburn. I mean that's kind of. Case Yeah. Yeah we'll see if they beat us they won't be fun. Game by game at seven thirty, right So also, we'll know the time of the Tennessee game right after the show ends as well. WHO's next Steve Steve? HOW'RE YOU Steve? Matt well, for me. I have Rodriguez I because I would say, Aj rose is unavailable because he's been running steps all week. So you have, you'd have gotten some punishment there. There's no question he would. He would have not carried the ball the rest of the day. I would met him like Eddie grand met him and said you better pray we score because your career may have just ended. And could I talked earlier caller said he was he's a senior you just don't. Don't do that moving. Lucky wins you brought up the Eastern Kentucky game. That was a lucky win? Yes. It down two touchdowns in the fourth quarter to eastern. And Dorian. Baker the highlight maker. made a rare great catch on that one catch Steve He made I. Think you're right on fourth down was insane. The catchy made I think it was the one that sent the game to overtime. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't make that catch the game is over. And they lose to eastern and as it was beat eastern and lost their next five games. So That was that the year. was that was year they charted out they'd be they'd be South Carolina in Columbia. Road Win for students here we went to the bowl game. was that year we went to the tax layer. Twenty five twenty you said twenty seventeen, he was twenty fifteen. So we didn't do we not go to a bowl that year right? We were five and seven Gotcha we were three and one going into eastern. And one to go to forty, one four, and then we'll also next BOB Games Gotcha Gotcha. All right. Well, this appreciate. Steve always good to hear from you know the season started Ryan when I hear from Steve He's he's eight. Yeah, he's A. Look at the game caller. I like it Yup, Steve's back, and you bring up that game and that that scenario brings those. Horrible losses back into play we lost five games. Right losing eastern would be the most embarrassing thing in the eastern was better than us that night I remember they had one guy that got drafted. Right? They had this sense of Lonzo he just dominated us. The Best Player on the field he's transferred from Ohio state I think yes, that's correct. WHO's next? Steve WHAT'S UP Steve. Hello. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Well, you know I I tend to my first UK football game. It stole field in once as nineteen seventy. And I've seen some really ugly office. But I have to give copes, coach stoops and his staff. A. Lot of credit on what they have done it Kentucky. he's been there eight years they've improved every year they've gone to four straight bowl games. They were in three and two, thousand eighteen, and they were final ranking twelfth in the AP. Everyone Expects Kentucky to play football like Kentucky is Alabama. Will we're not Alabama but we have come back. In football were good now. Facilities, are I Reich Coach stoops runs a really good. I. Agree with all that but we did just lose ole miss. We did we certainly did and and I was sad the way it happened. Our defense has gotta get better when you have a twenty eight fourteen lead and you wound up losing like that at home you know that's that's something that you do. But everything we play is GONNA be tough. We're all she say opponents none of them are going to be easy. Everyone's going to be a dog. I agree with all that, but we did lose and I think it's. But it's not the end of the world is not the world but. It's not the of the world and I hate to cut you off but I gotta I gotta go. We just gotTa live. It's not the end of the world, but we did lose and it's okay I think for people to be frustrated. But when it comes to insurance, don't be frustrated make the right coverage at the lowest rate possible. 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"They. Don't waste time trying the motions don't win. Call you. Lady. Justice. You tell me whether sandwiches and then I'll tell you fat dog. Enough women on for. Nine. Fifty will love each other. Both a women of why. That up and no side. Welcome to opening arguments a podcast that pairs a comedian with a real life lawyer. This podcast is sponsored by the Law Office of the Torres LLC for entertainment purposes is not intended as legal advice and does not form an attorney client relationship. Don't take legal advice from a podcast. Ll and welcome opening arguments. This is upset foreign twenty-six. Hope you enjoyed the new intro that I just remembered I have to make all in time for tonight's episode. I? Bet It was great. How's IT GOING Well, I, will I was doing fantastic. Now I'm slightly nervous for you but I'm still still seventy percent fantastic thirty percent concerned about my friend so. There's so to talk about there's so much. We can't even really get to the debate. Can We? Well, maybe we could have recorded seventy minutes or so on serious inquiries only. All right that's a that's what a great plug. Yeah. We not only did we have the usual amount of as we had that plus double the Torres Alex came on the show debate champ Alex came on to help us break down the debate over on series inquiries only So if that's something you want to check out hop on over after this one's done of course and. I was my son Alex's first. Foray a into podcasting and He did that thing that. All good podcasters do, which is as soon as it was done. 'cause we recorded on separate floors so that obviously would never cross talk and that sort of thing and he ran down and he was like Dad I didn't say this and I did have this. And I was like now you know how I feel every single week son. Yeah. Several volumes of your unused notes that would be released that as a book every giver to. Be Several hundred pages just taking the last couple of months worth of unpaid of unpublished notes so that. That's the name of the series. That's an. That's what we paramount with Andrew Torres. All right. Well, we've got the trump taxes huge story This is the ultimate. Sorry Andrew. But this is the ultimate Andrew was wrong by the way like we thought we'd have these taxes tax returns years ago once the was taken by Democrats. But instead we had to wait until and that's one of the things I plan on asking Andrew where he thinks they got these things but yeah, there's a lot there cannot wait to talk about trump taxes We definitely have some clarifications on Brianna Taylor and updates there interesting news possibly about that grand jury so really curious sued Andrew thinks about that Oh and also it is QNA time. It's that time of the month. So we are doing a live QNA this Monday that is Monday October I can't believe October already October fifth at four thirty, Pacific seven, thirty eastern be there and or be square it's going to be a ton of fun at always is one again live Q. in a on youtube you'll see the link shared on Social Media Patriots Monday the fifth at four thirty, slash seven thirty so. Come join us here when I'm being yelled at is people caring loudly at me. Okay. So as far as the Briana Taylor killing is concerned I wanted to just make sure I said if 'cause like when we had talked about it I, think we both were kind of expressing the fact that like, yes, this is an absolutely disappointing outcome, but it's sort of in line with what the system is designed to do and let me know if I'm I'm mischaracterizing. You know what? What you said Andrew and that's not a defensive the system that saying like the problem is the system it. It wasn't that any one of these officers necessarily did something that you could you know charge him with murder that was kind of where I was. But like as more stuff has come out I, there's something I really want to emphasize that I forgot to, which is that they only had a and this is four. If you've got any uncle frank's try to do the well, her boyfriend shot a police officer. So of course, the BLAH BLAH BLAH There there was a lot of work done. By journalists to track down, you know the the witnesses and all that and there was only of Twelve or thirteen witnesses android, and you can correct me if I'm wrong none of them. Initially said that the police announced themselves until one only one of the eleven or twelve can later on change their story to say Oh. Yeah. They they said police. And so I just want to emphasize that like the and there's other points I heard made that you know this barren Taylor's boyfriend was not a criminal. They did not have any drugs in the house. There was absolutely no reason for her boyfriend to think anything other than there's an intruder in our house I think there's a lot of unconscious bias. You know maybe sometimes conscious by going in where they're figuring like, oh, well, you know he's got a gun because I'm sure they've some criminal act like no some people banged on their door in the middle of the night by all accounts it sounds like except for one that change. Her story might not have announced themselves and I would go so far as to say, didn't probably didn't announce themselves as police and they're banging down the door and he has no criminal record no drugs in the house. So thinking of it in terms of, oh well, that's what someone's going to do when they they're criminal Macau they're gonNA shoot the cop if that's what your uncle frank is saying or thinking is just wrong and I wanted to really emphasize that their problems with the evidence and then I wanted to ask, Andrew, about the we this thing where the grand jury someone who is in the grand jury tells what happened with I want to get to the green jury i. i WanNa talk about the facts? I am I am proud of the way in which we discussed the indictments that were handed down and basically said, you know that there are. Serious questions regarding the facts today in our last episode I I will say where we're a couple of listeners have taken us to task on you know. So from the left, you might say that that I think is fair is that there is a recitation of facts in Brianna Taylor civil complaint which was settled by the police department right and so I'm going to read now again, same caveats as as last week right allegations in a complaint that are settled are not necessarily true. But since we gave airtime to you know what might be described as the cop side of the story. But let's give airtime to Brianna. Taylor's side of the story paragraph to I'm going to link the complaint in the show notes I. Think I have before. But but we'll do it again you can read it for yourself and this is. that. This paragraph requires a content warning. The complaint is is disturbing so I I do want to say that. So, paragraph to on March Twelfth Twenty Twenty Briana Taylor went to sleep. She was woken up past midnight by banging on her door. These men banging on the door would not announce themselves. These men ignored Brianna shouts for them to say who they were. These men had no probable cause or other legal basis to enter and search Brianna his home. But these men all in dark plainclothes did. So anyways, breaking down Brianna door with guns drawn. Despite Brianna significant, other trying to protect her Briana was gunned down by the men breaking into her home, and while she tried to hang on for her life, she was then shot by another man who was blindly firing through windows. She fought for her life for more than five minutes before finally succumbing to her injuries. So that is the estate of Brianna Taylor that those are the allegations that is how her Estates Lawyers have characterized what happened that night and as I said. Subject, to the to the previous caveats that tells a very, very different story. Now, let's talk about the grand jury stuff. Well, let me put it put a pin in that here all these. Before, we get to the grand jury stuff and this is kind of part of that. I also want to emphasize that you know. So yeah, I I. IF I want to clarify or or say maybe I should have said something different in that episode I think maybe I shouldn't have been so quick to just repeat what the AG presented as the fax In ordinary circumstances, you would hope that would be like journalistically like okay. Well, here's the facts according to the G. in these circumstances I just don't know what to think because it really. It really looks like there could be at. Any level of cover up here. I, don't want to sound like Tinfoil hoppers and Andrew, but like I don't know how much I trust the facts as this AG Daniel Cameron is giving them especially when you find out, he's like you know a Republican What does he married to to McConnell's niece or some crap like it's just like, okay I don't really trust this guy that's move away from sort of tinfoil hat territory to pattern and practice that that again is also described in the civil complaint and that details. Things that we know happened right which is. The coordination of blockbusting by the police in conjunction with efforts to re gentrify urban neighborhoods. So I wasn't planning on doing this but I think there's dovetails I'll read paragraph for. Higher Level Command staff within the police department went on a crusade to target people in homes on Elliott Avenue, which is where Brianna Taylor lift a small street in West Louisville. People needed to be removed and homes needed to be vacated. So that a high dollar legacy creating real estate development could move forward. And again, the reason I say this is not a tin foil hat territory is because I have represented developer and absolutely one hundred percent. When you have a high profile development, you're working in conjunction with. Either the state or the local government often both right. I've talked about my involvement. In the billboards. Cases. In which I was co counsel on cases again with excellent co-counsel from the the the Mayor of Baltimore City's office I was co with them for years right so so this is not a well, you know the rich people have the police in their pocket. This is if This high profile development one, hundred, percent I'm telling you as a lawyer who thinks there's nothing wrong with us right because. If. You're a developer looking to invest in a city yet talked to the city yet talked to state officials. You say, Hey, I'm going to invest tens of millions of dollars development. It's going to bring hundreds of jobs. Let's work together on that, right. You could guess criticize the capitalist system if you want but like from a legal perspective, that's an ordinary course of action now continuing. An entire police squad was created and was primarily devoted towards targeting homes and people on Elliott. Avenue that. That evidence you have to evaluate for yourself it's set out in the complaint we don't have time to go through. One of the primary roadblocks to this unit and the real estate development project was an ex boyfriend of Brianna Taylor who rented a home on Elliott Avenue. The police units efforts to clean house on Elliott became so outrageous, unlawful, corrupt, and rake, and reckless that a bogus knock search warrant was obtained for the home of Brianna Taylor, a woman with no criminal history, no drugs in her home, no targets in her home and whose home was more than ten miles away from Elliot. Avenue from there the name defendants made error after error violated policy after policy and committed unlawful act after unlawful act resulting in Briana being taken from the Louisville community and from her family for too soon. So again, I, think your characterization of. Maybe. Stepping into conspiracy theory. I. Don't think you need to go into conspiracy theory land brandon I think. That again, that's the position laid out by the other side and it deserves as an argument. It deserves at least a as much weight as we have given to other arguments and how the facts shake out well that. I think that transitions nicely add a question that I wanted to answer, which is I have talked to three separate prosecutors sense. The news came out that a member of the grand jury has come forward and called for the full transcripts to be released. Alleging that the public statements do not match up with the experts say presentation before the grand jury and I asked all three of them. The same question have you ever heard of this? Have you ever seen this ever happen and again, these are people in one case somebody who's prosecuted. Hundreds of defendants including some some high profile, criminal defendants and all three told me. I I've I've never heard of this. I've never seen this. This is absolutely unprecedented now. A couple important questions number one sometimes grand jury material is disclosed and we've talked about in connection with the Muller report like the various statutory exceptions it. Again, it is presumptively confidential right? It is it is presumptively Not to be disclosed to the public because of its potential prejudicial effect on ongoing investigations the Attorney General's office can waive that right so so there are a number of of potential outlets right before that story broke which when we covered it on the show I said Gregory. Materials confidential. It's not coming out I would say. It's still unlikely. said they were going to did they say they were going to release all of the the Briana Taylor material. So I had seen that they were going to release the recordings and now we're checking in it says the the release is delayed now for some reason, which is interesting. So I would say that that continues to be an unknown there there are mechanisms and the WH-, what has triggered that? Highly. Unusual circumstance is the public. Story from a member of that grand jury right and again I think this goes to. The value of participating, demonstrating being a part of the system speaking out. I. I also want to answer a question that a lot of people have asked and I think this might have even been a bar question you did. Way, back when and that is absolutely no process `attaches to the refusal to indict someone. By a grand jury. So there is on WBZ concern here with double jeopardy. Absolutely not a failure by one grand jury to indict does not mean that a subsequent presentation cannot be made to. We subsequently impaneled grand jury. Yeah and and and further in this one I had with Seidel because I remembered I was like well, I, know it's when the jury sits and I. so I thought like a grand jury does that count as a jury sit you know and I think I got it wrong and then he's like now it's it's not and he got it right. Yeah. So wow, very interesting I i. didn't know that a bar question we handled was going to exactly apply to what we're talking about there and. Also I wanted to say I want to kind of run this by you to further emphasize how much you know if you got those uncle frank's out there trying to say, Oh, you know they that's what happens when he fired the like they didn't even charge. Her boyfriend with anything. You know they weren't able to say like Y'all you fired at an officer. So we're like, which don't you think they would if they could have charged him with you know endangering a police officer or whatever would have been you know. So what do you make of that? I don't know that I draw again I-. I lack the experience here to to draw any kind of inference, one way or the other right it. All I would say falls under the rubric of Prosecutorial Discretion I. Think The you're making is very valid right which is. In general cops tend to come down hard on people who shoot them who shoot at cops yeah. On the other hand you could see. I. Mean. The whole idea of prosecutorial discretion is designed for situation murder somebody in the house. Where you're like, maybe this would not be the most opportune moment. Okay. So I, hear that but could it also be the case that it's like? Well, maybe when you lay out this case, it doesn't look that great for the police officers. But by the time you talk to all the witnesses and look at what happened the fact that like what was this warrant why they have you know all things that I would imagine would come out at trial in the case of the boyfriend but yeah, absolutely, and and again. So the answer to that question, is it plausible? Yeah. It absolutely is plunged Andrew Torres is wrong. Sir. Sir Andrew Torres. Wrong if we received an email criticizing US quote from the right this is this is something that I do at a at a productive discussion with a listener named Andrew who who took me to task and I think that ultimately, we came to a resolution. So I'm pleased about that his initial email said that I had made a two statements contained in a sentence and one omission and I stand by what I said but I do want to clarify. What it was that I said what I'm talking about it and again. Be Hundred Percent Acura and as a little bit of a look behind the scenes a lot of what I do for the show every week. As. A lot of listeners know is is scripted I send you you know seventeen pages of notes and we work from that. But part of what makes the show fund is you'll throw curveballs that I'm not quite expecting, and sometimes I will go off script and when I go off script that increases the likelihood that I've got to do an Andrew was wrong. There's a technical error here that has to do with my transposition of the word federal in a particular system and I don't want to minimize this right because. When I say that our criminal justice system is racist. It is more correct to say we have fifty racist criminal justice systems and the state level, right many of which are are getting better but all of which have systemic structural racism. And a racist federal criminal justice system on top of it right and so. The important distinction between that is that the state level as we've talked about on the show many many times has plenary police enforcement powers bright. They can pass laws for the general welfare that require no further justification. So most of your day today criminal offenses are state offenses. Federal Criminal Offenses Have To be specifically enumerated statutory crimes and states can also arrest you for common law crimes. Right looks the state doesn't have a definition of say murder although they all do now they could arrest you for common law murder right I I wish there's one state that's like murder we've never. Yes, right? Exactly. Right. Like there's only been one person here. How could they? Be Fantastic. Yeah. Right. I saw Fargo isn't that anyone? There's all kinds of murder happening. They're all murder actually. We, we apologize to our nonexistent North Dakota listeners for calling them all murder victims anyway they get the Internet they might listen to our show and then all apologized for that I look forward to the fact that I'm the one that usually reads our email open arguments at gmail.com. Anyway. So Federal Government, Government of enumerated powers. So that includes, for example, most of your white collar criminal offenses right? We had just just last episode We had our buddy, Randall Eliason on to explain white collar crime right and that's because things like wire fraud interstate, right so I Send the email mail to New York. I've now committed a crime in both Maryland, and New York and since it's gone across jurisdictions, we can pass a federal law about it. All of what that means is that it is correct to say that what is a competing majority of federal crimes they? It's currently down to to forty seven percent but it's down to forty seven percent because. largely because immigration related criminal offenses are up so. How great that is but but right around fifty percent of federal criminal inmates are in on statutory federal drug offenses. It is not correct. So now with that sort of as background, here's what I said. I said the overwhelming majority of federal inmates in this country are black and statistically speaking they're in prison for a non violent drug offence. Let me break that down for you and again. It is not correct that the overwhelming majority of federal inmates are black. It is correct. The overwhelming majority of all inmates switches word role and state. Yeah it's way work. Not Very many style states have all the inmates. It is the the there are about one and a half million people in prison in this country that the number is really hard because particularly at jails and you'll see like two point, two, million to two point four million when when it will include prisons and jails but jails have a revolving population right because people get arrested picked up thrown in jail for the weekend. Thrown thrown in jail pending bail, which then don't make because the. And then released and then pick back up again and so it is. It's super hard to get numbers. On. Prisons and jails. Aggregated together. It's hard. But we have data through now twenty eighteen to get data on state and federal prisons. So about a million and a half inmates. Federal inmates make up about two hundred, thousand of that population larger than any one state but not larger than all of the states put together. So. Keeping in mind that African Americans are thirteen percent of the population. They are forty percent of federal inmates. Now, that is not an overwhelming majority it is not a majority. They are however when you include black and Brown people when you include African Americans and Hispanics as there's there's not there are not even other subgroups in the overall state and federal prison populations Combined. African Americans and Hispanics make up seventy percent of the prison population in this country at the federal and state level added together right? That's an online include the I will include the stats in the show notes data through twenty eight. It's actually the racial disparity has gotten better started getting better under Obama. And and has gotten better over the last ten to two to thirteen years break. So bottom line despite being seventy six percent of the population white people make up thirty percent of our prison population. They are the only demographic group that is under represented rather than represented among the prison population. So I one hundred percent should not have federal in front of it at it was a verbal slip because what I was thinking was, how do we? Do something. This was in the context of what do we do to solve are racist criminal justice system are racist criminal justice systems and there's no one size fits all plan for the states because they're fifty different states, right so I was thinking about what can we do at the federal level and that gets to the second half of the statement right? which is. When you talk about the. Federal. System. The first thing you must discuss is fixing drug offenses. Drug offenses are are now forty seven percent said they were the majority I was wrong there the overwhelming plurality, often the majority forty, seven percent of federal are these drug offenses or are these non violent drug offenses they they are separate violent offenses of any kind right and so you get multiple. You fall into multiple categories are less than eight percent of federal. Federal inmates I will federal. Yeah. That makes sense. Exactly. But of but at the state level, it's not going to be that small I don't think at the state level drug offenses or about twenty percent because there's all the other cry. Yeah, right. So yeah. I want I I will include a literature review and I will tell you the overwhelming consensus of the scholarly literature is quote. Thus, any efforts to reduce federal incarceration should start with drug offenses. End of quote that is just beyond dispute. If you want to reduce the federal prison population, you have to look at how we lock up people for drugs in this country and I. Stated because that's not going to solve everything that doesn't mean like the problem will be the first place to start would be let's take this thing that is often a medical issue is something someone help for rather than being locked away for and something that can most often is is just something someone's doing to themselves. They're not hurting anybody else. Let's start with that and that's the quickest way to to start making things better. Yep, and then and finally, and this was the omission. That we we to not have time in this intro, a segment to to to talk about but but injured chided me for alighting over the distinction between drug possession and drug trafficking, and I will tell you that is intentional. The way in which drug trafficking is prosecuted in the federal system is by inferring intent to distribute right intent to traffic in our in a controlled dangerous substance. Under twenty one, USC Section Eight, forty, one based upon the quantity of the drugs that you have, and again, the overwhelming consensus of the scholarly literature is this has unbelievable racial bias baked into it. It was a cornerstone of the two thousand ten criminal justice reform to eliminate the one hundred to one disparity for the possession of powdered cocaine to crack cocaine because powdered cocaine is what white people do and crack cocaine as what black people do, and again I am describing a a prejudice not making factual statement there. But if you look through twenty, one, eight, forty, one, I am no expert in the quantity of LSD that one must possess in order to be a dealer versus. A Cup I. I will tell you eight. Four fluid ounces. The like the marijuana amount is listed in kilograms, right? So look like it. It I have to defer to experts and experts tell me that those quantities have a considerable racial bias component to them so. We should do a deep dive in an episode on drug trafficking laws. Don't have the time to do that. To trump's just yeah. That is a tax situation, but that is essential. So if you move the word federal from the first clause on my sentence to the to the second, it becomes accurate but but look like. A I want to stand by what I said and be like I. Think we learned and we're able to discuss in in greater depth, the underlying biases in our criminal justice system. So so I appreciate the appreciate the email little bit of a call out of I but But Hey, we we stand by the work we do here on the show. Because people are GonNa know whether or not their president's. You're not aware of any contacts during the course of the election. How many times? Can you just A large extent it's corrupt and it's fate. Asked the president of Finland a question place. Time to talk about the fact that we pay more in taxes for this episode then trump. Year where do you want to start I want where do you think they got these things? Why don't we jump to that I because certainly one of the talking points you saw raised in advance of Tuesday's debate is the idea that the New York Times is breaking the law yeah. Well, my favorite thing was that the New York Times went and stole trump's totally fake tax returns that aren't the real ones so they were. So. They both they both were stealing from the irs like his tax returns but also they're fake. So they went to the fake irs and broke into the fake. I. D I R T exactly. Yeah. That's how you know you're dealing with pretextual arguments but but look, let's let's go through. Let's talk about the legal standard here. Let's talk about what the Times has said. Most importantly, the Times has not released the actual documents. Usually, that is a prerequisite. Before we cover any story, they have said we're not going to do that because it would compromise the identity of our confidence. I thought though like why didn't they just take the data and put it in generic tax form format like there's no way they could get you know like, how would anyone I know who leaked? I will tell you may be why they didn't do that and in part of the standard here right And again, it's not how I would advise the New York Times. But you know look the New York Times, says better lawyers than me. So maybe they got good advice and maybe I'm wrong but. So, where do I think these came from I think these came from an accountant or a staff employee at Mazars I think this is one of trump's accountant somebody who works for them. I am positive. There is an internal investigation going on at as ours to try and figure out and again this is all you know as Freddie laid would say it's all beans, right? It's speculation but. Here's what what the Times has said is that we received the information from someone who had a lawful right to have the information I'm going to explain why they said that in a minute. But but the but the, but the phrase they used was it's a source quote with legal access to the information and. That has to be because everything else is still in court to to make that statement that has to mean that it is one of trump's accountants or somebody else to whom Donald. Trump. Has provided this information volunteers not somebody working in the irs or something like that. The reason is because there there is still the House lawsuit against the IRS for failing to produce trump's tax returns to the House Judiciary Committee still pending right so that person like if somebody works in the irs, they could still have legal access to the documents. Couldn't they thinking have legal access to the documents but it would violate. The the second stare. Let me go. Let me give the fast. Okay. So I when we don't have to talk about, which is even if these materials were. Provided to the times, it would be perfectly legal for the times to release them. Right. That does not mean that the journalists themselves would be immunized from liability. That's the Pentagon papers case that is New York Times the United States in nineteen, seventy, one, four, zero, three, US, seven, thirteen. We've talked about that hundreds of times on the show already Pentagon papers no doubt they were classified top secret no doubt. It was a crime to leak them to the New York? Times. And No the Nixon administration could not stop them from publishing. But if your uncle frank and the trump campaign is definitely saying, well, know we're not saying look they didn't even try to get an injunction to stop the New York Times from printing the story, right? Because it is clear clearer than Kushner rain. If they are saying, okay, fine. Yeah. We've got the stupid free press in this country. You know we won't. We won't for much longer if you re elect our dad but. We. Are. Great comedy confessed killer banks but. The New York Times is still committed crime and here the answer is no. They almost certainly are not, and the case is a much less well known case call. Bark Nikki versus vapor. which had to deal with a newspaper receiving a cell phone that was illegally obtained. Go into the details case 'cause we don't have time but that case essentially set out three criteria that protect a newspaper or other news source for publishing material even if the underlying material was not at the end of the day legally obtained, right. So it's not like fruit of the poisonous tree. If you could establish at some point that you know this document was illegally obtained than the liability runs all the way through to the press no, no the criteria, these three number one. The media outlet, the newspaper or other publisher must play no role in the illegal interception of the materials. Number two, they must have received the information lawfully. We're GONNA talk about that a second and number three. The issue must be a matter of public concern. So. Obviously trump's taxes are a matter of public concern. The way those first two prongs apply is they they really collapsed into one inquiry and that is did the press conduct any illegal investigation of their own or encourage their source to break the law or otherwise? Unlawfully obtained documentation, and if they didn't, if they just get documents and publish those documents and they have no reason to believe that it is not a source with legal access to the information. And they are fine. So like if they had said for example, Hey Russia if you're listening send us. That's the end of the joke. That's sorry I. interrupted. Felt bad for. Ya obviously that is illegal. And this is why I think that it is Masar because it is not illegal for an account net mazars to release Donald Trump's taxes right now to the public it almost certainly violates their contract with Donald trump he could sue them civilly there's no like releasing private information that some found we talked about that with Dachshund Kinda. Yeah, okay so. Let me. Okay. Let me. Ask me I'm a trained attorney Andrew. No that is that is a great way to kind of cabin my response. I. Am in no way encouraging although I I kind of am I Take this risk but not as a matter of legal advice I am not pining that. If you work for Bay Czars, you would face. No. Hypothetical imaginable criminal activity board I am saying is that it's different than. A government agency releasing confidential government documents, right like if somebody at the IRS leaks Donald Trump's taxes to me, they have violated federal law if MS ours does they they have not violated the same provisions of federal law could there be if the if you took, you know it'd be like a civil suit. That's. Coming could there be a potential criminal liability for. Malicious invasion into someone's private you know I. Don't I don't want to say that there's that there's no potential theory I. Do want to say that it is a far far different right? Like irs disclosure plainly would violate the applicable statue. There was no similar applicable statute that says, we start jailing accountants who disclosed their clients tack. It's that's all I'm saying with respect to that so. Put all of that together I feel very confident that the New York Times is on perfectly solid footing and this is not only one hundred percent consistent with the way the First Amendment laws operated in this country for at least fifty years. But as your joke points out, it is one hundred and this is the the hook us back on Uncle Frank. It is at least as risque as as permissive as Donald. Trump. Going on national television saying I love wikileaks right if. wikileaks had criminally obtained illegally hacked documents and Donald Trump was like well, obviously, we get to see those right so you cannot have it both ways, right? The New York Times there is zero evidence and I take them at their word that they participated in any kind of illegal mining if the dead. then. Those journalists will be subject to potential civil and criminal liability, and and we in fact discussed this The fact that there was no federal reporter's privilege to shield your sources back in episodes two, hundred and two, a one including having on our buddy randell allies to take a little bit of a a counter. Counter intuitive position that that I think is is well argued even if I'm not completely persuaded that says, there shouldn't be a federal reporter's privilege and he talked about the the Belco Barry Bonds and the shenanigans conducted by reporters in illegally leaking grand jury testimony that that they knew was illegally obtained right and so clearly violated the Bark Nikki versus Vosper Standard so We've got we've got primers on all that back listen to episodes two, hundred and two. Oh One. So that covers I think that that sort of question of where do I think this information came from and is there any potential liability? And I think no right. The. New York Times is not breaking the law I. Think they got this in a perfectly valid way I think that argument will will not go anywhere. The other area that I think is incredibly interesting is We have to go oh by the way to pull that panel so. Because of that second requirement under the law. If the New York Times were to make for a lustrous live purposes only tax forms with all the data you know where to recreate and tax forms with all the data it might, and again, you'd have to be an exceptionally paranoid lawyer to to advise your client not to do this but now maybe they do. It might support an argument that says they're fabricating evidence and therefore participating in illegal news gathering yet. But that's the that's the first place. My mind went as to why they didn't do that because I totally agree it would make the story so much easier and and more powerful and easier to understand and more powerful. If they just stuck at the data they recreated they went to the irs form right now and said, look this isn't trump's tax return, but it might look something like this, right so. I was really wondering why they didn't. Yeah. Okay. Looking careful I think that's what it is so. So here's the story and I'm going to tell you how. My knowledge of a particular statute right and that is twenty six USC section one, seventy, two means that I think Donald Trump accidentally confirmed the accuracy of the story during Tuesday night's debate. Now, I will tell you I had to dig up the transcript of Tuesday night's debate because as we talked about how much of it was done by a comprehensible incomprehensible let's get there the new. York Times that the story essentially goes like this. They have thousands of his tax returns both both personal and corporate taken together. They paint a picture of a man failing business with massive debts coming do who was thrown a lifeline in two thousand and four with the surprise hit the apprentice who then earned four hundred, twenty, seven, million dollars in income from being a game show host. which bailed out those debts? But Donald Trump being such a such a preposterously awful. believably terrible businessmen. quickly, look for a way to spend that four, hundred, twenty, seven, million dollars, and funneled into not only propping up his existing failing businesses, but acquiring new and. Terrible failing businesses which continue to fail. And continue to felt like some of this it is it is amazing to me. Again the taxes ended 2017, but we still have a years worth of graft right from being the president, and again, we know this from the emoluments cases. Directing foreign diplomats to stay at the trump hotel, which was converted from the old post office building, which is on Twelfth Street and Pennsylvania Avenue. It was right across from my old office at Covington and burling back when Covington and burling was on Pennsylvania Avenue they they have since moved so it amen I used to go to that old post office building it had like a food court in the basement. And and I would run their for lunch when I worked at Covington and then the the building was mostly vacant office space was sold to Donald trump turned into a terrible Godley tacky hotel, which is still losing money as of two, thousand seventeen. So. That's the story terrible business cash infusion from the apprentice invested in his failing businesses which continue to fail such that he is now looking up at four hundred, twenty, one million dollars in total debt. Of which three hundred million is due in the next four years I E in his second term if that were to happen and. That the properties are sinkholes that they are drastically over leveraged, because of the amount of money that has been funneled into them, and so therefore, the kind of thing that an ordinary business person might do right which is to say, okay, I've got this money coming do Yeah. Again, think about this like your house, right if you had a most people, go the other direction but imagine you at a fifteen year mortgage with a balloon payment due and this was year fourteen and you're like Oh man, this is it. It's pandemic. My income has taken ahead I want to. Refinance my property assuming that you paid fourteen years on the mortgage, it would not be hard to then convert that into a thirty year mortgage right and role that balloon payment. The bank could be super happy. They're like, yeah, you've got you know all this equity in your house you want to pay us more interest shore go right ahead. But you can't do that. If you don't have equity in the house and that's what the story is, is that all of these properties that are collateral for his various obligations are massively over leveraged and therefore trump will not be able to refinance that debt those payments will come due. and they have a fantastic piece of evidence for this. I do not know why this piece has not gotten more attention because you with an accounting background will instantly recognize. This is a lawyer instantly recognized this. They know this because Donald Trump has had to sign personal guarantees for these loans right now. That again, let me explain the significance of that. My operating account for the law offices of p Andrew. Torres. Is. Secured by a personal guarantee. Why? Because I'm just a guy who quit like a super lucrative offer job to start a not very lucrative personal offer, and so the bank was like I am not loaning you any money unless you agree because like what does the law offices appear tours LLC? Right? Like that's just a paper LLC. Was all backed by tons and tons of transformers toys. The was it was. there. Like we need actual collateral, we want to be able to get your transformers in the event that you don't pay back your signed over your transformers there. So I had to sign I had to personally guarantee those loans because I didn't have an established business with established assets. Notice the if then portion of the statement. If, you have an established business with established assets generally speaking you can get alone against the assets of that business and not have to secure them personally donald trump as somebody who has declared and brags about having dragged his casinos into bankruptcy on four separate occasions. He one hundred percent understand this distinction right? He knows yeah. If you can borrow money, you borrow money against the business asset and then if you don't pay it back bankruptcy whatever the only reason you would personally guarantee loans if you're donald trump is if that was the only way, you could get those loans right because Y-. Like. He is not going to declare personal bankruptcy right that would. Wipe out a lot of his fraud. It is one hundred percent an indication that that Al that that allegation that his properties are over leveraged is correct. Trump was asked about that. But. Well again, this he wasn't asked about the over leveraging of the properties are Chris Wallace estimate. The debate was, did you pay seven hundred and fifty dollars in taxes in two thousand seventeen? Here's what trump said though. Because he has this habit of. Burris my just that he said, no, no no, I paid thirty eight, million dollars. One Year I paid twenty, seven, million dollars a year. Which is, of course, consistent with what the New York Times story shows and it's actually super damning right? Like it is one year of tax returns is totally meaningless right? Undoubtedly trump paid that thirty, eight million and the twenty, seven million back in two thousand and always that the amount that he got back because that's the most outrageous part of this entire story we're about to like that when Donald Trump was being paid for the apprentice four which and again, he earned four hundred and twenty seven, million dollars as a game show host. It's like the only thing is paid taxes on his life. You can't hide that. That's right but you can do what Donald Trump did. What. The New York time alleges that Donald Trump did which is okay. All right I get these huge tax checks coming in from the apprentice I have no choice but to pay taxes on the apprentice money. Except that, there's a provision in the tax code that allows you to take future net operating losses and offset them against past taxes paid and actually get a refund for those taxes. Well, and I, think if if I remember right from reading the article that it was part of Obama's effort to help people during the downturn like after two, thousand eight. That was interesting that he's specifically took advantage of that. That is twenty, six USC One seventy two, I'm GONNA put all the puzzle pieces together but I definitely do want you to put a pin in that. But so so yes. So The New York Times alleges that yes, he paid a whole bunch of taxes because he had to when he got the infusion. From the apprentice, he spent that money on his terrible businesses and then generated huge losses, which he then used to file look backs of net operating losses took offset and wipe out those taxes paid and receive a seventy million dollar tax refund from the government. So whenever trump says I paid twenty seven, million dollars one year well that that is that tells you nothing Seventy million dollar refund four years later, right? Yeah. Give Chris. Wallace some credit here because. Because when trump said, when trump said I paid thirty eight million one year already so. Chris Wallace said I'm asking you a specific question and that is, will you tell us how much you paid in federal income taxes in two, thousand, sixteen and twenty seventeen and then trump probably lied and said millions of dollars you'll get to see it. You'll get to see. To which Joe Biden laughed and said, well, you can release your tax returns and then and this is I realized that it took a little bit to come around to this but then trump says continuing the sentence you'll see it as soon as it's finished, you'll see it. You know if you wanted to go to the board of elections, there's one hundred eighteen page or so report that says everything i. Have Every Bank I have I'm totally under leveraged because the assets are extremely good and I built a great company. I, want to break that down at and I want to tell you I'm going to have to punt on an entire segment here that super interesting and and maybe I'll move it to next week. I don't know about what actually is disclosed to the board of Elections but spoiler not that. There is no such report we will talk about it. What there are are two public disclosures that Donald Trump has made one in two, thousand, seventeen in one in two, thousand, eighteen that we have actually talked about because the two thousand eighteen one was made to quote clarify payments to Michael Cohen in connection with our stormy Daniels, investigation and. There is not a footnote it's this the weirdest thing. It's just a six point font addition at the bottom of page forty three that says. In the interest of transparency while not required to be disclosed as reportable liabilities on part eight, in two thousand sixteen expenses were incurred by one of Donald J trump's attorneys Michael Cohen Mr Cohen saw reimbursement of those expenses and Mr Trump fully reimbursed Mr Cohen in two thousand seventeen, the category value would be between one, hundred, thousand and one dollars, two, hundred and fifty thousand dollars and the interest rate would be zero of quote. Yeah that is hiding payoff payments to to stormy Daniels. These public disclosures list trump's valuation of his assets within certain ranges, and again they are. They're not one hundred eighteen pages there there ninety two and ninety eight pages respectively but they don't show right it's like saying. I report that I have equity between one and five hundred, thousand dollars in my house one dollar and five hundred, thousand dollars in my house right that doesn't tell you anything. Like that is my estimation of what the equity in the House is, and it ranges from basically zero to greatly exceeding the value triple the value of my house. And It it. It does not. It crucially cannot answer leverage question right? Like if I had one hundred thousand dollars equity in my house. But I have one hundred, thousand dollar mortgage secured against it right then. A second mortgage, right say a a home equity line of credit. Then I, have zero equity right like I owe the bank hundred thousand dollars and they can take that out of one hundred thousand dollars equity in house if one hundred, thousand dollars equity in house, and for some reason, I have a million dollars in loans outstanding. Then don't any equity in the house, right? Like you cannot determine how leveraged someone is from this disclosure report. So that was out now lie then it gets better. And this is the part to which you were alluding that all of a scratched our head that in my mind absolutely confirms the accuracy of the New York. Times reporting trump says Chris just let me say something that it was the tax laws I don't WanNa pay tax before I came here I was a private developer I was a private business people love that like every other private person unless they're stupid they go through the laws and that's what it is. He pointing to bite meaning Obama. Passed a tax bill that gave us all these privileges for depreciation and for tax credits, we build the building and we get tax credits the hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue that is the trump old post office God. It's Ralph Whigham explaining. which by the way was given to me by the Obama Administration if you can believe that. And now that gets into my favorite citation from this episode twenty-six, USC Section One seventy two and it is a substantially as you have described, which is the this is the worker homeownership and Business Assistance Act of two, thousand and nine. It passed the house in a bipartisan fashion three, thirty, one to eighty three and the Senate ninety eight to nothing and it was as part of bailing out the. Economy from the Bush. Recession. It had a number of very important provision in an extra twenty weeks of unemployment benefits It had an extra fourteen weeks of states to states with improving unemployment that still needed some help. So so twenty weeks to states with unemployment rates that were over eight and a half percent fourteen weeks to states with lower unemployment. Extended the homeowners tax buyer's credit bunch of other stuff designed to help people get back to work in an economy that was terrible that Obama was doing everything to turnaround. Included in that was a provision that changed how far you could look back for net eating losses and it expanded that from three years to five years and the idea behind that was again in a bipartisan sort of way if you pay taxes on your business in two, thousand, six, two, thousand, five, and two, thousand six, then the economy went into the toilet in two, thousand and seven. And two, thousand and eight, and you are slowly turning around in two, thousand and nine. A WAY TO? Get a secondary cash infusion to those small businesses would be to say L. Look like, yeah you you were healthy when the economy was healthy you were devastated when the economy was devastated, you can offset the healthy income with the current. And if you pay taxes, you can file and get a refund. So expanded out from three to five years for that purpose, and this is what The Times alleges that Donald Trump was able to do. To wipe out one hundred percent of the income for the apprentice right. So two thousand and four is when he starts earning money from the apprentice and just so happens that the two thousand and nine provision now allows you to look back to including that year and so then turn around and filed and got back every penny of taxes that he paid legitimately on the only real income he's ever earned in his life. Now when Donald Trump says ha ha like Obama you created this incredibly stupid thing that allowed me to go back and get five years of taxes. How much would it surprise you to learn that twenty-six? USC, one seventy two was subsequently amended by by Donald Trump's tax bill in two thousand seventeen. Well amended how so Donald Trump having made fun of Obama forgiving him this huge tax windfall in two thousand, nine, absolutely one hundred percent amended this. This precise section with his 2017 tax bill changed twenty-six USC section one, seventy, two, one, governing the five year. Look back on net operating losses. What do you think Donald? Trump did with that provision made it ten years. He made it twenty twenty years. Yeah. If you go now it says. That the were net operating loss for each taxable year beginning before January. First Twenty eighteen to each of the twenty taxable years following the taxable year of laws do not allow Donald Trump say that this is I'm just following the laws that Obama put into place because the minute he got the levers of power. He quadrupled that except of course, you would write like by the way the time of extraordinary economic growth for those at the top. So yes, it might have been one thing in two, thousand, eight, two, thousand, nine to say, wow, people really taking a hit We're going to let you offset some of your. You know maybe at a good business here in two thousand, six but you know this downturn maybe this'll help. Let's let you off set this in two, thousand, seventeen, the there was no such. Problem now absolutely right. I. Mean All of this and and we have seen we have matched it up with the economic growth rates in the trump administration that were in place in until he decided that you know a pandemic was no reason for anybody to do anything. The the modest rates of growth in the first three years of the trump administration are utterly unaffected by the two thousand, seventeen tax. We've talked about that at at great length. So the arguments that that this jump started the economy are bogus the arguments that it did anything for the economy or bogus, and any of the public policy reasons why you might Wanna bail. Out, businesses in two, thousand and nine. We're certainly not present in in twenty seventeen. So put put all of this together and and I think that this is really really important. There is some potential criminal activity in connection with the New York particularly in connection with the New York Times. Earlier reported the has to do with how trump values his businesses and differing valuations for. Securing loans, versus paying taxes. But so far from the story and I think this is really really crucial because you saw trump's take the position of like. Well, it's not illegal I don't give a damn if this is legal or not. Right. This is absolutely a signature issue of what our country should be like right which is, do you want to encourage a system and reward a president who uses the tax laws to enrich himself at the expense of everyone else? Or and do you want somebody who you elected the very first thing they did literally like his only major legislative accomplishment is to quadruple that loophole. Or do you want to a more fair tax system right? Like that's Know. You had your top line. Say I want to have my top line say I do care whether or not? This is illegal I also think that there's gotta be fraud going on here I. It'd be amazed if there's not fraud going on either in like you say either in how he's filing his taxes or in the difference between how he's presenting his company's value when he's looking for a loan versus filing his taxes, you know accounting wise there is a difference in the numbers you give to the IRS. That's that's how accounting works you keep a there's tax accounting, and then there's managerial accounting you two different things but. What bothers me about this is Louis how to proposal to equalize those two. Yeah. We're bothers me about this is you know I don't think it should be presented in in terms of Oh trump was just doing what the what the law, what the tax code allows because. I I I don't think he is. He. So there was this one example in the article about this company was vortex or some crap. What is it called Bullhorn NATO Var NATO and they brought it up the New York Times brought up because they're like, here's a company that's on you know in his returns or whatever. That's one company that he doesn't run and it didn't do all of this nonsense where it has his infinite depreciation of staff and these losses, the Blah Blah Blah. Because, it was run by somebody who successfully like somebody else so i. so I'm torn between two things. It's either he's a horrible businessmen or he's you know committing tax fraud here but actually maybe it's kind of both you know like it could sorta be that he's so bad. He also needs to commit tax fraud in order to free up some money to continue being a horrible businessmen but I don't think that he's just doing we. Would do to try to reduce the tax burden. It seems to me looking through the evidence we can't know for sure without all the underlying you know documents and everything we're just getting what he reported, but like this seems extreme, it seems unlikely that he's the that all of these losses he's taking are above board and I don't disagree with any. Of that I just want to say two things I WANNA say number one that the there are re re I mean like you just pointed out for example, that it is perfectly legal for corporations to disclose to their shareholders one set of profits and disclose to the IRS a second set of prophets. It was one of Elizabeth Warren signature tax reforms that. Hope Joe Biden a twenty year hold on I. I'm want to defend that a minute that's not always a bad thing or often a bad thing. I mean in in manager counting you WanNa you know if you buy a piece of equipment, you want to depreciate it for the length of the equipment so that you have an accurate picture of like. Well, we spent roughly this much per year to buy this machine. And here's how long it lasted. So that gives us a good picture of how how much value generated whereas often you can section one, seventy, nine, hundred. Wherever Often in the tax code, they're like, well, you can just appreciate the entire use of the piece of equipment in year one for tax purposes because we're trying to like encourage people to buy more equipment or whatever it is. They're they're often they're very legitimate reasons why your books for accounting purposes are different than for tax purposes point well taken. And that dovetails with what I want to say. So I wanna say it's kind of two things to conclude this up. The first is that in my view I don't think I I'm not trying to downplay the likelihood or possibility of potential criminal behavior. I'm just saying that if at the end of the day, all this proves is that Donald Trump is shady but not criminal. That is nevertheless a thing that used to be disqualifying as president of the United States. Let me give you a super easy example of that. Suppose you're a slum Lord, right like and you have and it is true that you used everything in your power to evict people on the out onto the streets in twenty twenty during Kovin, right and again that's going to vary by our. The presidential race in two, thousand, thirty, two or something I'm sure there'll be plenty of examples of those people. Yeah. That's right and like it will vary state by state because different states protected right put Moratoria on. Residential evictions for different lengths of time. Right but could you imagine bright Democratic candidate? You Know Blank Q. Box men saying well, I don't understand why this is an issue. All of my evictions one, Hundred Percent Reichel and people would be like we don't care if they're one hundred percent legal you kick people out on the street during Covid, your a monster you shouldn't be president and to me like that is and I just don't want I mean I'm the lawyer I always want to focus on the law. I do not want to lose sight of the fact that like what we have here is a president who in defiance of every norm of the past sixty years deliberate ran as a businessman. Kept. His business dealings hit and everything you could possibly imagined about those business dealings has turned out to be true right which is to say if the Times reporting is correct and we have. An has been essentially. We just walk you through right that the president if re. Will Oh. Three hundred million dollars to banks and will then you have the prospect of the president of the United States? By. Through his intermediaries calling up. Wells Fargo and Deutsche Bank can go and Hey I know I've got this money come in do but can you see your way clear to give out like that is a preposterous conflict of interest rate like that is the kind of thing that our government was was meant not to permit to happen like. To get down from the soapbox but like it, it's it's just. Terrifying to me that things that I would have dismissed as crazy conspiracy theory in in two thousand sixteen are being taken as part of the factual background now and the defense will be, oh well, you know the tax code let's do it. We'll sure but our norms were meant to protect against people who abuse the tax code. In this way, this is why we need to have access to this information and why when somebody doesn't disclose, you should look at him go well, maybe this person even if they're in my own party, maybe this person isn't qualified to to be our presidential nominee You know we're GONNA pass laws but. They're always be ways to skate around disclosure laws. Oa deep dives will reference trump as the reason why hopefully you know Assuming. We actually do the right thing here intellect Biden and a Democratic Congress there should be a ton of reforms that were referenced much as we referenced Watergate throughout all of this process. But we are way over time Andrew Great breakdown. There's so much more but WE'VE GOT A. I'm sorry. I. Do want since we're going to punt on the segment I WANNA say thirty seconds on that that with respect to voting. A bunch of you have written into talk about the state specific changes that that your state has passed this year in terms of early counting of. Drop by mail ballots right and drop boxes and stuff like that. So I'm going to include a link A, non-partisan national coalition on on state legislatures that summarizes the state of the law in every single state in terms of when they counted. 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Here we go a recently enacted federal statute requires the president to make each appointment of United States ambassador to a foreign country from a list of three individuals. The list is compiled by the Senate, Foreign Relations Committee and approved by the full Senate in advance of the appointment. The statute also provides that Senate confirmation of the appointment is deemed to occur automatically thirty days after the time, the president names an appointee from list unless the full Senate determines otherwise within the thirty day period. Is this statute constitutional? A No because the statute violates the constitutional requirements for appointment of principal officers of the United States. Be No because the statute impermissible restricts the plenary foreign affairs powers of the president. See Yes because the statute is consistent with the constitutional requirement that the presidential appointment of ambassadors be with the advice and consent of the Senate or or D.. Yes. Because the statute is a necessary in proper measure in furtherance of Congress's power to regulate commerce with foreign states this is impossible. So it feels like. Gosh at first I was thinking. No but like. The fact that I'm guessing I don't know for sure because I haven't you know I I haven't read the whole thing but I imagine that this is the advice and consent you know of the Senate type thing that's what I was leaning toward and I was like well, they can't restricted to three individuals because that seems like it takes away you know I can't imagine a lobbying constitutional that said, hey, President Biden you have to only appoint a justice from these three individuals. That doesn't seem right but then again, the advice and consent of the Senate. We've taken that to mean that they they have to confirm them but I don't Ha- I don't know the language loosen up there to to be like well, they have to confirm them but also they're allowed to narrow down the choices. Two three people that. I don't know. I could see a defender. So let's see a this is really hard I don't think I'm getting this one a no. Because the statute violates constitutional requirements for appointment of principal officers of the United States that seems plausible. Be No because the statute impermissible impermissible restricts the plenary foreign affairs power the. So between those I need to pick which one's better. I'm going back and forth I like A. Means appointment of principal officers seems very direct but plenary foreign affairs powers. Could be it maybe that's the actual I think a is the better no answer C. Yes bt because the statute is consistent with constitutional requirement that the presidential appointment of ambassadors be with the advice and consent. So that's That's interesting and then deep because the statute is unnecessary. Proper measure in furtherance of Congress's power to regulate commerce with D. is no for me I don't think it's I think it's between a and C. I, think as the best no answer see. I could do I could almost see an argument that this is consistent with advice and consent but. I'm. going. To lean toward. This is really hard. I'm GONNA just go with a no because the statute violates the constitutional requirements for appointments of principal officers. Of the United States I, don't think you can just have the Senate narrow the list to three. I I think that's too much of a restriction on the executive power there. I. Don't know if I have this right and I don't know if as the better no answer I hope it is but I'm going with a final answer. All right, and if you'd like to play along with Thomas had to do that to share at this episode on social media include the Hashtag t three B include your guess your reasons. 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