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The Republic of West Florida (1810) w/ Kristen Soltis Anderson
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This Day September twenty, four, eighteen, ten to the fourth at Baton Rouge is under the control of a group of armed settlers. The Dave before the fourth, which wasn't the control not Spanish had been attacked by a group led by a man named Phillemon Thomas a few days later after this attack after capturing some other force in the area, the group declared themselves independent Spanish flags came down flags with a White Star on A. Field of blue were raised and the Republic of West Florida was born. It would die forty-seven days later but still it was breakway republic right there on the Gulf coast at a very interesting moment in American history. So here to discuss as always is Nicole Hammer of Columbia Hello Mickey Hey Jodie and our special guests for this episode of the next episode as well. Kristen Solis Anderson poster at echelon insights author of the Selfie vote. Thank Kristen for doing this. Thank you for having me and you are. We should just get this out of the way you are a native of Florida and do you Wanna go ahead and point out that this technically did not happen in the Florida that we know today well, when I got your note saying, Hey, we're going to do this episode about the Republic of West Florida I I was like, how have I never learned? About this because when you grow up in Florida, you do learn a little bit about Florida history. I. Am a Florida Woman you you take your trip to Saint Augustine, which is where Pawn Still Leon showed up and set up the very first the first city in the United States say Augustine the only time I've ever had a political appointment. I was eighteen years old and I, was appointed to the committee that picked. You don't have every state has a quarter and so Florida's quarter has like one of Pasta, Leon ships arriving in Saint Augustine and a space shuttle taking off because it was two types of discovery and so I was like, how have I never heard of this I know a little about Florida history but this is technically taking place I. Believe it's Louisiana's at so it's so people can know this sort of Gulf region. Sir, it's Baton Rouge right for the four days and then it's sort of area that goes a little towards the east over there but still Louisiana, and then you know if you know that there's actually a little notch of. Alabama and Mississippi, and then you get actual Florida but you know I think the whole region kind of called Florida at that point because it was under Spanish control But yeah, I mean I don't think Nikki had you heard of this before? No I mean this is one of those things. Well, we're first of all, it was pretty short lived. We're not talking about like the Republican taxes which has become so central to the pride and identity of Texans Today the Republic of West Florida dust it doesn't seem to have that many boosters who are getting the word out there had a flag they made a flag right away and they raise the with. A forty seven days So one thing Mickey O'Connor I wanNA point here is this man that I mentioned in you know as we as we continue to. talk about the wonderful names of the past. Phillemon. said his name. Feel, it gets one we have to bring back. Exactly and it was the comeback check the baby name wizard and see a film on comes after Philemon Thomas was an ex revolutionary war soldier. Is there something there that you know we have these people who fought this revolutionary war and now they're like out there what freelancing just kind of like trying to start the revolutions a little bit I mean we saw the people who fought in the revolutionary war freelance a lot of other revolutions whether it was in France or in various places here in the US of course, talked about Aaron burr trying to start a little republic of his own. So you know there's there's a revolutionary spirit in the air and also like the US isn't totally. Secure as an independent country yet right at has only been a country for a few decades. They're about to enter into this big war with Britain which comes to be called the second war of independence because finally boots out the other empires from America's neighborhood. But you know it's one of those periods where it's still kind of feels like anything could happen. What struck me the most about one of the things kind of fueling this as I was reading about it is that it seems as though part of why the Republic of West Florida. Tried to spring into being was that there was no real clarity on who was actually in control of anyways. The US believed that it had been part of the Louisiana purchase. It's effectively like they bought a house and when they went and moved into the house, the next door neighbors were like, no, you're back Patios actually part of my house. You don't that's not your patio. That's my patio that was sort of the the clash between I forget if it was the British or the Spanish controlled it at that point but the French sold it, and it was not entirely clear that it was the French property to sell. Yeah. They needed a tidal luck on that. Get. Title. Insurance. Title Insurance. That's what it's for. Well I think that the Spanish were involved because one of the others through line stories here which really connects with the American revolution is that. They were being mismanaged in a lot of ways lake. They were responsive to overlords from overseas who didn't have their best interests at heart. They thought that they would be better off economically socially politically if they just wanted alone and there was enough benign neglect by empires in the region that they could kind of get away with that there were other wars being fought across the sea that had those empires distracted wasn't this also around the time that Spain and Britain basically swapped Florida for Cuba Florida being defined very broadly. Like. I I believe that happened at some point in time after the American revolution when the Brits were trying to figure out, what do we want to be doing here on the other side of this ocean? Yeah and it takes a while to get all of that sorted out. Of course it's not until the late nineteenth early twentieth century that Cuban independence comes about that Spain finally wraps up its empire But yes, they're still doing a lot of swapping in the hemisphere during this period. So I'm intrigued by President Madison's response here. Nikki because you know the Louisiana purchase has happened under Jefferson and then Madison is there now with this sort of. I can't tell whether he really wants to continue to expand the United States and how if he wants to be in his and his treatment of this insurgent republic seems to sort of show a little bit of like hesitation about well I don't. I don't really know what to do about. These new parts of this country that I just became by the leader of Yeah I mean we should say that Jefferson had this big act as president, the Louisiana purchase, which he technically didn't have any authority to do. So I think at least part of it was madison being lake. I don't think we can do that So there was a little bit of just kind of sitting and watching and waiting that ends up working out really well because the Republic of West Florida freeze itself. So the US doesn't have to get involved in war. The US doesn't have to pay any more money for it they just sort of absorb it. You know about a month and a half after its founded. This is my favorite strategy to employ when I'm. Playing civilization like you wait until the neighboring civilization has caused a lot of unhappiness and strife and your next door neighbor, and then you just kind of waltz in and invite them to be a part of your empire, and that's that's always a great strategy and it is kind of remarkable and I don't know if it necessarily how conservative a strategy it was by just kind of laying back what ends up happening is there's little skirmish between these insurgent forces in the Spanish. and. Then after a you know six weeks or so the US April coming to kind of broker a deal and basically say you know we think it makes the most sense for these to come into our hands and it was I. Think I read this correctly what it was the first time that the US has had acquired a good chunk of territory from another sovereignty without war and without compensation like they basically just ended up inheriting this land and so used the insurgent forces almost as a kind of like. What do they call it like a pass between entity? What are you going? They're laundering. A pass through an LLC or something. Yeah. But it's basically what they ended up. To acquire. Territory. Territory yes. Exactly. Right. I. Don't know if we want to talk a little bit I. Don't Know Kristen if you have things to say about that sort of region I mean I've I've always felt like that Gulf region especially know this wasn't technically in Florida, but I think the Florida panhandle, it's like the most interesting part of this country. But I just think it's kind of a place where you can still see these these really interesting clashes and and and combinations of different forces. Well, one thing that is so interesting about growing up in Florida is you now that I've moved away and I live in DC people sort of joke about Florida man Florida woman that that's why I think I have it in my twitter bio I'm Florida woman. But there's it is so hard to actually define Florida in any singular way beyond you know humidity and Miskitos. But like Florida is. Almost a different country than south Florida You know I grew up in central Florida and I don't believe I have much of an accent of any kind because it's essentially you know neutral American suburbs where people come from all over and we have Disneyworld the panhandle really is. Very, very, very southern in a way that the rest of the state have. Once you hit the Orlando Tampa area further south just isn't isn't the same. Yeah. There's this line about Florida the further north you go the further south you get and I think that that's very much I lived in Miami for a while and it was very different. Yeah it was not until I went to college in Gainesville that I encountered SEC football tailgating culture and the food and the end just it's just a whole different world than what I had experienced in suburban Orlando. So Florida Florida, contains multitudes I will always defend my home state. And and. And I've been to Saint Augustine in those parts of Pensacola and some of Townsend. I think in this country, we don't have a ton of places that really show their history and and that's region where you can as you were saying like you're like Oh these are some of the for cities in this country and you can see the Spanish settlements and it's just kind of like right there. It's sort of still living in A. Way that I really appreciate I WanNa talk about legacy here I'm GonNa, mention one specific legacy, and then I want to ask a question about a larger legacy. One interesting legacy is that there are in Louisiana there are still parishes known as Florida parishes. Those are the parishes disorder run if you can picture in your mind sort of from Baton Rouge. Along the top of Lake Pontchartrain New Orleans on the south of link train across the top and over to the Mississippi border and those are known as Florida parishes. So like the sort of name is still there in the legacy is still there in this sort of idea that these were generally the parts of Louisiana that kind of tilted towards Spain and Not, France is still there and you know reminder that certainly in that part of the country like these deep roots in these deep allegiances still hold So I found that really fascinating and sort of the Republic of Florida lives on in that way maybe someday, it'll make it onto a coin will see but I guess my bigger question is. We do live in a moment when this republic feels tenuous and so kristen, I wonder if there's anything in this story that that feels like it connects to now and the notion that fractured parts of America might start to actually break apart I think the thing that stuck out to me that was the most relevant to our political moment was when reading about Madison, you know with the same questions about was was Jefferson allowed to do this with the Louisiana purchase also wondering what am I allowed to do and I think it was the congress was out of session wasn't GonNa be coming back for quite a while and so the president goes won't Congress isn't around and there's A crisis year. So I'm just GonNa do some things and that is a there's a long tradition of. Of Crisis, moments equals, Oh congress isn't acting well I guess I'm GonNa do something from the executive. There are very strong echoes of today. Yeah and I do think that there are a lot of small secession movements across the united, states look to things like the Republic of Texas, the Vermont Republic Hawaii was once independent itself. Lake looks to these independent territories, a lot of which became states and say, okay. So secession something that we can do again like we can have the state of Jefferson I think they've called it and all of these kinds of secessionist movements. Talk about these former republics and talk about dreaming of reversing the process, which seems I, have to say pretty unlikely pretty unlikely but certainly I think like a force in our politics that needs to be acknowledged I mean, I think that there's a lot of the strains of this in some white nationalist movements There's some plans to like break off the eastern part of Oregon rate and turn it into its own sort of breakaway republics i. mean you know it's always tough to figure out what is this just like? You know fan fiction and when is this something? That actually tells us something about the sort of deep strains in in our country at the moment So you know we'll see. But yeah, I I don't think anywhere in the at least contiguous states feels like just like. Open territory enough that it could actually get pulled off in this way. Yeah. I, think those political boundaries are are pretty firmly sat and it would require more than just a Peaceful political agreement to separate for any secessionist movement to get anywhere. All right final question if you had a breakaway republic. And you had to design a flag. I know that both of you would do better than White Star on a blue background. But where would you start here kristen? ooh, that's a good question. my favorite color is red although I worry that that would send off some you know communist overtone. So. Maybe I should be looking more to like a soft Tori blue or something like that for my For for my main color at and I gotta think you know for me I'm a Florida gator. So maybe maybe that would be the like animal in that I love the California's state flag with the bear on it looks so cool So maybe one with a gator on it maybe that's where I would feel like my background is really going coin design than flag design but. Yeah I. Mean You know California itself was once once an independent republic and managed to get a bear on its flag which seems pretty cool. I. Think we don't have enough animals on flags in general. So start with some kind of animal Bears. Already taken eagles or kind of already done. Maybe we go. Mythical creature maybe a Narwhal for like an Alaska at. That's what I'm going to go for a great. Yeah. Big. Household these days is a book. I read my daughter about nor Wilson. We're going to leave it there Nicole Hammer thank you as always. And Kristen Solta Anderson. 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Key West, Florida Declared a One-Minute War on the United States
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Two years later they underwent hypnosis to try and recall what happened some took it as fact others thought it was a fantasy but what really happened that September night in rural New Hampshire. Join me toby. Ball for the inaugural season of stranger rivals co-production of iheartradio in grim mild from Aaron. Mckie listen to strange arrivals on iheartradio APP on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts ridiculous histories of production of iheartradio Welcome back to the show ridiculous historians thank you so much as always for tuning in. I've got to say I am super pumped To be here virtually on Monday morning with two of my favorite guys So hello to you as well. Dudes my name is Ben. My name is Ben. That's really nice way to open the show. I appreciate that It's really nice to be here with you. It's a great way to kind of start the day even though it is pushing eleven thirty Hopefully we've all been running around doing some things around our Our respective Homebound bunker situations What did you do this morning? Then let's see. I actually spent about ten minutes in the early days of the morning Writing math based food puns. That's where how many math based food. Puns does one generating ten minutes on a lot actually allies so long as you don't worry about whether or not they are good. Well that's what they say about writing in general isn't it Ben? You just gotTa do the thing. Don't worry about whether it's good or not. You're going to learn from your mistakes and eventually you'll become a math based food pun virtuoso right the old tipping point or Malcolm glad well thing it is actually a myth that ten thousand hours of practice make you a genius at something you do get better with time and science proves that we use a different part of our brain when we right then the part of the brain we use when we edit. So you shouldn't edit yourself when you're trying to do something creative but I've I've been trying to do something you know just like a mental exercise in the morning along with the physical routine to try to stay physically mentally fit What about you met? I haven't done my walk yet. Today would have really been enjoying doing nice walks. I went to a place in Atlanta called Arabia Mountain yesterday. Which is a very beautiful scenic kind of rock outcropping. I guess you could save it. It really you guys know. It feels like you're on the moon or some other weird alien planet has got these shallow pools with these bright red lichens or whatever in them and they're apparently kind of rare and they all these signs telling you not to Trod upon them. But it's a really really needs spot. If anyone's ever visiting it land it was not abandoned but it wasn't also wasn't super crowded so it's really easy to social distance out there in the wild Today I had my daughter over the weekend so I took her back to her mom she staying there for the week and then her mom made us some breakfast and I hung out there with her. Her sister and Stepdad for a while and it was very nice to to be around. Kind of like other humans For the first time in a week or so. Have you been to Arabia mountain before I have I have? Yeah this was maybe my third time But it was It's it's definitely a really special place here in Atlanta. Oh Yeah it's got. It's got a dark and twisted history. I went there a lot when I was growing up. Because my parents live nearby But what what's fascinating about? Arabia mountain is that it is part of Stone Mountain. The fourth largest BASALTIC extrusion in the world. I don't know if that will come in handy for anybody if you're playing trivia but You know keep that one in your back pocket and do check it out if you had a chance. Stone Mountain also pretty serious history of racism in a hotbed of Ku Klux Klan. Activity Back in the day and I think wasn't it the same sculptor that did Mount Rushmore. Did that weird carving in Stone Mountain that's like is it Robert e Lee. Who is it? That's in the in? The sculptor is guts on Borg Limb. I think mentioned on a I really want to do it. Episode on Him in the future also Arabia Mount Super Producer. Casey Peckham. You may be interested to know that pet cemetery too was filmed in part of Arabia Mountain. Is that right partout? That's the one with With young John Connor As a as a slightly older adult actor Edward Furlong. I think is his name. Yes actually I watched that movie again. Not Very Long Ago. I guess in the lead up to the religious coming. It's not good not good. No it's not good. There's there's some Jesus and Mary chain on the soundtrack which is okay. Oh Great And speaking of pet cemetery movie based songs guys remember the Ramones Song from the first pet cemetery movie that was called pet cemetery. And it's just like I I don't WanNa be buried in a pet cemetery or does he WANNA be buried. He doesn't want to be I think he doesn't WANNA be no. They're very much an anti Zombie. Punk band got it out But I like what you said about not spending too much time in dithering or having the the old Should I shouldn't I kinda hamlet problem a because today's episode is a very weird story about a another person who may be impulsively jumped to a decision you know. Florida's been in the news a lot lately mainly because people are still Partying on this. Lottie DA vibe out by the beaches a our story today is also about Florida sort of it's about Florida it's about war and it's it's a pretty recent war in Florida that most people have not heard of it's true it's not the war of the roses it's more of the war of the the Cox Right now you say is it. A. C. H. Sounder is conch right. I've always said call like bunk. Remember Bonk's adventures that game for What was what system was that? I don't know is the one with the little TIFF graphics. Sixteen Turbo Graphic Sixteen. So we're going to go with conch like Bonk. It's true in nineteen eighty two April. Twenty third to be exact The mayor of Key West Florida Dennis wardlow declared the Florida keys was going to become an independent micro nation and secede from the Union. And there's there's an interesting backstory to this. Let's let's rewind so consider that in the cinema of your mind the cold open and then we flash back right. So we're doing a little bit. Of A a non linear plot unraveling here so in eighteen sixty one more than a century earlier. Florida seceded right and joined the confederacy during the civil war. That's why there's still that monument on Stone Mountain the whole. Us civil war but Key West Florida state in the Union. I believe it was specifically January tenth. Eighteen sixty one. That Florida seceded And they were just the third state to do so only South Carolina Mississippi beat them to it but when when they seceded key. West is is an island right. It's an island outpost and they said you know what we're not going to go with the rest of the peninsula here. We're going to stay loyal to the Union and you could say this. Set a precedent for key west kind of harvey in their own path. Independent of the rest of their state. Totally Key West has always. I've never been but people really love And I think a lot of that has to do with sort of like Kooky individualistic spirit like they have things like You know these parades. They call drag races. It aren't with cars with lots of drag performers and just in general like there's apparently a lot of like It's almost like Tijuana or something like that. Were very kind of you. Know OUT IN THE STREET. Let it all hang out kind of lifestyle there in in in. Key West It's all about relaxation Margarita. Ville type VIBE But also a lot of kind of that Florida man stuff that we always hear a lot about but a little bit more in tongue in cheek kind of way a little bit less methy a little bit more. Maybe festive too. Yeah there you go and for anyone who wants a good sense of the geography? The State of Florida as you know has to kind of primary parts. It's got what we call the panhandle and then it's got this peninsula which it makes up the majority of the state but key. West is not on the panhandle and start really on the peninsula. Either if you look at it it's at the very very very very very end. The tip of this archipelago that that Kinda swoops off of the peninsula so it's geographically isolated and You know I think I think it is also culturally unique the way you described it nor was perfect. I'm glad you mentioned the drag races. Yeah I actually just googled weird key west. And there's a website on this life in trips called six odd things to do in Key West and the first one says say hello to Robert Who is apparently a ghost? That occupies America it's considered America's fifth most haunted city and Robert is a ghost. That's been haunting key west since the early nineteen hundreds Let's see you can You can bike through an above ground cemetery. They've got biking tours. There's an event called fantasy fest That allows folks do all kinds of really elaborate body painting and that's an event and you see images of people that are essentially nude but are painted up to look like superheroes like Superman here. A wonder woman but they are in fact full nude And then of course you got your key limes very very well known And you can get lots of key lime pies like on sticks which. I'm a big fan of personally. Chocolate dipped White chocolate and there's a lot of pirate he stuff there in. Key West. There's a key West Shipwreck Museum That looks pretty. Awesome with all kinds of old relics and weird stuff is washed up from from shipwrecks for pirate ships including an entire piano. That's all covered in kind of like see. Crust barnacles pretty cool stuff. Oh and they have their their famous. Six Toed. Cat That you can go to a place. That's right yeah. The cats of the Hemingway House Ernest Hemingway's famous. Six toed cat snowball. It was cool. I went to the Hemingway House in the past because like a lot of like a lot of young writers. I was trying to make peace with Ernest. Hemingway and the cannon You know I still I still like the like is stuff. Hey now remember that story we did about Ernest Hemingway's Lesser known brother that started his own micro nation on Rafts. Full circle my friend out yet. Yep Yep full circle Full Full Peninsula. Perhaps right indeed all right so the reason. I wanted to give us all in a sense of the extreme location of key. West is because it plays into the story. It is as you said No. It is culturally. Unique. It is also geographically isolated comparison to a lot of other cities in Florida fast forward to the early nineteen eighties. There's this guy you may have heard of Ronald Reagan. The gipper is the president of the US at the time the Cold War with the Soviet Union is still ongoing and the USSR has a proxy just ninety miles away. The Communist Nation of Cuba and now and our relationship as a country has always been quite complicated with Cuba. But there's a lot of Cuban culture that finds its way into Florida and key. West is no exception and the reason is a lot of folks that were fleeing Cuba due to a lot. of drug wars and a lot of issues with the government. are illegally coming into the United States through Florida. It's really becoming an immigration There are civil wars going on chaos in general raining in that in Latin America because of a lot of this cartel stuff And this is a real problem as far as the Reagan administrations concerned. They don't want these immigrants coming in. It's very much of a of a sentiment of you know we don't need them. They're bringing drugs into the country. You know it's a problem for our country we that's not our issue. Let them deal with it. Keep them out We're in a similar place right now. Actually with the current administration which is very much influenced by Reagan. Yeah yeah we see that conflict Shen of illegal drugs and immigration which is which is misleading right just objectively so on April eighteenth in one thousand nine hundred eighty two the US border patrol set up a customs checkpoint and a roadblock at the intersection of county road nine zero five eight and U S Highway. One on the Florida mainland. This is important because it is the only way in or out of the Florida keys. Yeah it's also important because typically these kinds of roadblocks have been set up on the border side. The opponent right. Yeah this or yeah exactly. What the border. This is absolutely on American soil. In a place that is highly inconvenient for all these vacationers and revelers that are trying to get into key. West To see the six toed cat. Or what have you are you know? Do the body paint parade Which I I'm I'm assuming had to have been going on in the eighties So there's this roadblock it's a checkpoint a legitimate military checkpoint and it it. They're they're going the full nine yards checking. Id's there'll show us your papers you know. They are actually searching every single vehicle. They're looking for drugs. Looking for immigrants illegal immigrants being smuggled in and with a single likely two to four lane highway road. This is going to become a real logjam and it absolutely did. Didn't it? Then it did. It did within mere hours. There's a traffic jam. That's nineteen miles long. Still doesn't set the record for the world's longest traffic jam Which you could hear about a different episode of Car stuff but people are losing their minds and rightly so because again. This is a one way in one way out situation so word about this spreads across the country and people who have planned a vacation to key west. It's very popular tourist destination. They start canceling delivery. Truck say while there's no point make in making deliveries because we can't get through the traffic and the islands become economically. Paralysed the traffic jam by the way continues to grow at one point. It's twenty three miles long and eventually mayor wardlow that you mentioned. At the beginning he decides. He's gotta he's gotTa make a. He's got a react to this. The people demand it he only hears about the checkpoint. Now get this. He's the mayor and he only hears about this checkpoint readiness city on Sunday April eighteenth. And his he doesn't hear about it through official channels either. I think his dad told him. Jeez that's really got to hurt Because I mean this is a area that depends Hugely on on tourism and on these tourists coming in. And if you're one road in and out as being jammed up that's going to be a problem and that's gonNa cost them real Animosity towards whatever and whomever is causing this. Yeah exactly so workflows. Dad finds out about it because he's a ham. Radio Guy Chose to get into. Maybe now's the time when he gets think makes. Oh okay. Is that the one that involves like crystal kind of situation right. Isn't there a crystal the powers the HAM radio? Or what am I? Oh that's a different kind of radio. That's Adenaur those science kits where you could build a radio from crystal. Maybe that's what I meant that that's what I'm thinking of. I think a ham radio is a little more advanced than that. I think calling it a ham. Radio is misleading. By the way there is no ham involve. No what does the HAM even stand for. It's probably an acronym for something. Yeah it's definitely not him though Yeah let's you know what we're here we. Neither of us are going anywhere. Let's see let's see ham. Radio stands for Amateur Radio Ham radio. You know what how about this? Casey what are you? What are you guys? Say in the future. We do an episode on Ham Radio. Oh why not? Why not well? In this case ham radio comes in Hamdi. I'm so sorry and and word lows. Dad is calling his son and he's like what the heck's going on on route one and the has to say I don't know I haven't heard anything. So he checks with the chief of police hasn't heard anything either. This sheriff hasn't heard anything either. Florida state representative also Zip Zilch Bupkus Even the Congressman Dante fessel up in Washington couldn't explain what was happening and imagine how crazy that is your the mayor. You are finding out informally after the fact that the federal government is for all intents and purposes shouting your city down. You have to do something right. Oh I mean for all intents and purposes like to your point Ben I would've felt like an occupation or some kind of invasion right Did Not even be given the courtesy of a heads up. I would have been absolutely livid so He Springs into action With an attorney named David Horn wardlow files an injunction to get the roadblock removed And then he joins up with someone named Virginia Panico. Who's the president of the hotel and Motel Association a gentleman named Edwin Swift? Who was at the time? The President of the Chamber of Commerce An outside of a courtroom in Miami announces this This injunction And he is denied because the judge didn't have the power to grant such an injunction but it becomes a media feeding frenzy And that's when he decides whether it's on the Flyer he's given this some thought. I'll so quickly I have to assume it was kind of just a spur of the moment decision. Wardlow others the following words tomorrow at noon. We are going to succeed and we're going to become a foreign nation. Isn't that crazy that's true. That's what he said. The reporter's like You know Mr Mayor Mr Mayor Mr Mr Mayor Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and. Then he just decides. We don't know if you planned ahead. You know if the spirit just moved him but he says we're going to be afford nation his reasoning at least the way vice puts it in their excellent article. 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Thirty one twenty redeem at DC universe dot com slash join again that's DC universe dot com slash join wardlow and his associates that you mentioned earlier. They immediately start organizing their own government. It's you know it's kind of like a nod and wink but they get Thirty different officials and thirty different leaders in the community and appoint them to all these new posts that they've made up secretary of underwater affairs as one minister of nutrition is another and we should also mention that there were some additional acts of rebellion. A pilot buzzed the roadblock when they were flying back to key west because he could go past the traffic jam right and buzzing just for anyone who's wondering buzzing something in a in an aircraft is when you fly really low and it gets super loud. It's like it's like a drive by. It's like an airborne drive by. Oh yeah so definitely like. It's like an airborne. F You kind of you know right. Yes yeah I and then that little biplane eventually landed back in key west and by then it was all over the news And it'd become a pretty big story a bit unexpectedly By the way Cox was a nickname for For Key West locals And like Kiwi exactly just like Kiwis Fosse's or whatever these are Cox Like bonk's and at this point The story was really taking off the phones. At the mayor's office were going nuts. There were concerns from local citizens Understandably if this was to be taken seriously like our is our dollars and cents are American currency goes still hold What about our social security numbers and things like that? There were death. Threats being levied at the mayor and his family at the very least He was cautioned that this was a really really really dumb career. Move and Yeah and then the city's Commissioners and representatives From Monroe County Didn't want anything to do with. They were absolutely against the plan. It seemed like a fool's errand even if it was sort of a tongue in cheek nose thumbing at the US government. But he was going to do what he was going to do. And he had started this This crazy thing and he was gonNA ride it out at least until it. You know became completely untenable. Right right all hail. The CONCH REPUBLIC. Mirrow wardlow has the benefit of retrospect here You know we're looking back on it. He'll say okay. Ecorse was a tongue in cheek response to political issues but he also admits that Friday April twenty third nine hundred eighty two when they were the thick of this. It was very serious and very frightening at the time he plans to make a proclamation of secession speech in the hours. Leading up to his secession speech you know. We mentioned that he speaks with pilot. That Guy Accounting Tony in Tony has offer to fly his biplane over some ships hanging off Mallory Square and he says you know what naught mayor. I'M GONNA bomb them for you with my homemade conch fritters which sound really good right and this is not misleading like ham radio these are actual edible. Conch fritters totally. Have you ever had a concrete or ban? There was a there. Was a papa place that Karaoke bar here in Atlanta called AMFAM? That had a little pop up. Conch fritter guy that was there And they were really good. They almost like a corn bread kind of situation and the conch it almost as like a A scallop it's sort of like a soft not particularly flavorful. See Meat but when the season really well and put in these fritters if they're quite delicious. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah I've I've cooked concrete before Just kind of as an experiment you know. Sometimes you go the grocery store hungry and you pick up dumb stuff because you're you think that you can make something ambitious in amazing. I was one of the weird ones I bought was a CONC I cooked. It ate it but I definitely think there's an art to it and it's all about you know wins fried. It's all about the flavoring right. You gotta get that On it exactly that. Ooh Mommy not my most descriptive moment. Ben was good. There are more I was here for with So this did happen. This idea that they were going to bomb with conch fritters and again all in the spirit of this kind of goofy protests and That was the plan they were going to attack the. Us Navy and this was sort of their declaration of war And this guy telling us clearly very zealous about this whole cause was coined to help out with this And here's the thing though. It wasn't exactly clear Whether or not this was a joke or not at the time. Right right absolutely This you know one thing that the federal government doesn't like to do is to play around with secession so the secret service the FBI. Other federal agents are legitimately confused. They don't know whether or not to arrest the mayor. And this confusion this fog of war. It's called Happens in part because of the media the Miami Herald erroneously reports that the conch republic is going to attack offshore naval ships which you will recall is partially true and then lower the US flag. Replace it with their own. Now we're getting into kind of a world of conflicting narratives because some of the details remain unclear. But here's what happens. The press along with the feds flood key West because they WANNA lock this down. And it's not you know it's like it's like you're not supposed to make bomb jokes when you're going through security at an airport senior. GonNa Secede is kind of like that so at noon on April. Twenty Third Nineteen eighty-two Mayor wardlow reads this proclamation of secession. He's changed his title for mayor of key. West Prime Minister of the conch republic and he in his secession speech. He declares war on the United States. He declares war on the United States through a symbolic act of bonking over the head. A gentleman ceremoniously dressed in. Us military garb Not only a piece of Stale. Cuban bread Whole thing is just getting more and more ridiculous I kind of I'm kind of here for honestly right right We have some of the statement. Here he unfurled the conch flag. And it's you know for colleges in the crowd You'll be interested in this. It's a blue field was stars and a Horse Conch and in a neat little tropical sun and he says I declare the Key West. She'll now be known as the CONCH Republic. We serve notice on the government of Washington to remove the roadblock. We're ready to put up a permanent border to new foreign land. Ben There might have been a skype lag. But did you say Horse Conch Horse Conch yes. Con C. H. I got that. Is that like a particular type of conch. Shell like a like a like a big one. Yeah Yeah Yeah Let's see we could pull up a picture here? It's Yes there's the giant horse conch. It's the it's the street name for Trip loaf leucippus Palos gotta remember the Conch in Lord of the flies that was how they They knew who was allowed to speak. They would pass around the conch. That's right that's right man. What a what. A good book to reread Today WHO's that William Golding? Was that the all it is. But what an odd book to assign to eleven year olds. Yeah Yeah it's so dark and upsetting and in full of all kinds of strange sexual innuendo. I loved it when I was that age but I do think it's a pretty dark intensely violent book I know it's one of the One of the more controversial ones and they may not even assign it as much anymore. Same with Catcher in the Rye but we lucked out. We got all the really dark and grim books assigned us and we were in school and look how he turned out. Just fine mainly I read. alive cels night when I was middle school and that is a heavy book for children. There was another one that I remember that I was assigned called the Bridge Bridge over. Tara via the bridge and tear Busia. Yeah Bridges to tear busy. I loved it. I thought it was really moving and newly wonderful. It's one of those ones that kind of teaches kids how to accept death and tragedy and loss But it's also one of these ones that it's like this fantasy world that these kids occupy because they can't cope with how sad and kind of like you know Dull their lives are sort of And that was a heavy one for me and that was another really really controversial when for kids. But we digress. Yes well we You know I think it's an interesting point. I want to see any kids in the audience or any parents with kids in the audience. Here what are what? Are Your kids reading what kids read now in middle school because I think the three of us all got thrown some plot twist by reading some heavy heavy books and not the humble brag algae straight out brag? The three of us were probably in the nerd English classes. I think that's that's probably the case. Oh totally I also started reading Stephen King and stuff by the time I was I think twelve so I was already like I was going down that rabbit hole. There was no coming back for me. Yeah I probably should have waited a little while to read the stand and it definitely should awaited but Let's instead of digressing. Let's progress right. This is This speeches met with some support as you said their protest signs there at the rally Some of them are like you know silly. Ya Not a wink and other ones are kind of You know here. In the south there are people who consider themselves series secessionists. So I'm sure there were a couple people in key west. Who were like? This is a great opportunity. Oh totally and that's the problem with this. If there is a problem per se essential. What is that? I think it happened so quickly that not enough people kind of were sure. Sure if it was a joke or not because I mean you know. There's a lot of people that lack the sense of humor to know that if there's talking about Concha bombings. And you know the names of some of these Positions like the Minister of underwater activities. You know they couldn't quite pick up the fact that maybe this was all a bit of a gag but that's the problem. It wasn't very clear to too many people. So there is a lot of like polarizing responses to this or polarized responses rather. Yeah totally this is. This is the thing this reminds me of one of my Favorite cinematic metaphors. Prime Minister wardlow finds himself in the situation that the sourcres apprentice Mickey Mouse found himself. In in fantasia he you in fantasia Mickey Mouse Like magically automates the mops. I think and then quickly goes out of control. Prime Minister Wardlow Ak The former mayor of key West looks upon the chaos and the people chanting after they break that bread over that individual the naval uniform. And he thinks this is getting out of hand. And I've just declared war on the entire United States. So how long does this war last null about a minute? One minute sixty seconds I think because wardlow our new prime minister Kinda gets wise to how maybe he jumped the shark on this a little bit. Maybe he pushed this a little too far. And it's absolutely possible that he is in danger of having his small new island micro nation actually bombs or at the very least experienced some really serious consequences from the US government so he pretty quickly very quickly in sixty seconds in fact surrenders. He's like JK JK. Hashtag no treason because trees industrial. Carry the death penalty here in the United States. Today's episode is brought to you by IBM. Technology is becoming more. Open Data. More accessible in the world more innovative. Ibm is combining their industry expertise with open source leadership of Red Hat to bring you more freedom. More security more flexibility. 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There's this sort of Merry Pranksters Electric Kool aid acid test vibe to some of their social activism and disruption here because for two weeks wardlow has a guy named Peter Davis from Key West last chance saloon shooting cannon blinks at that border checkpoint until the border patrol goes away. These are blanks. But they're of course they're very loud and looking back. This actually turned out thankfully. No one was injured or killed in sixty seconds war But this this also oddly enough may have been a benefit for the people of Key West. It may have given them attention nationally that they wouldn't have gotten otherwise but I don't think they ever got the billion dollars though very important. I mean that seems like a bit of a stretch anyway. If anything they were disrupted for how long? How long do you think total we had they had to deal with this roadblock? Do we know that all right so we know it started on April eighteenth nine thousand nine hundred eighty two We know that the speech was a few days later. April twenty third right so after that speech that's when they declared war and then walked back immediately and then within days of a of this activism the Border Patrol actually reneged in the they pulled back and they closed down the checkpoint so not very long. How long is that? Like five days. maybe maybe I know for two weeks though they were shooting the cannon blinks so they were building up to this so I guess maybe a week after all. I'm trying to quantify here as you know what potentially the Steve Economic Damage would have been to the city of Key West. I think a billion seems a little bit on the high side. Oh Yeah I see. I think they chose it because it's super villain sounding number just an absurd number. The continue with that Mary. Prankster VIBE Yeah so they definitely didn't get that but they did clear the roadblock eventually they gradually started phasing it out and then then it was gone. I I will say this. I mean it's it sure seemed like a pretty thoughtless act on the part of the Border Patrol. Don't you like they didn't really think about the consequences and they are? They either? Didn't care or they did not fully that you know how this was going to affect this. The city right. Yeah Yeah. That's that's the thing you can see the logic behind it because that route and that intersection. It's a choke point so you would want to be so you would be able theoretically to catch drugs if they're being transported on that road but what it was that there were so many other avenues for the drug trade You know going by water going off air. There are a couple of other different options and they didn't really plan They didn't plan the infrastructure. They needed right. They just didn't have it there and they obviously didn't think about the effect this would have on the locals but the CONCH Republic No. It is longer officially its own nation. It remains Alive and well in the hearts and minds of the key West residence as a matter of fact We are getting pretty close to key West Independence Day. It is every April twenty third. It's an annual celebration. The conch republic issues Passports and visas referring to the US the northern territories. We do want to mention. They are not legal passports. They're not legal visas. You cannot use these at an actual border. Yeah it's just another kind of quirky by the top of the show One of these events that gives a folks Visiting curiosity and opportunity to kick their shoes off and party And Yeah it really is kind of a thing that is very much part of the history of of key west and it's sort of quirkiness And by the way there also are conc solicits in four cities across the world That they have a designated in memory of this event as well love it. Love a good pun And love a Badwin too so this is interesting. Because they you know what they've got another Pun love. It's their Their national motto. We succeeded where others failed on. And if you if you ask people how seriously this is taken since as you said. They have an international presence. The mayor at the Key West Mayor has pretty interesting response. He says the CONCH Republic is as real as state of mind And Sweet. They should really put that on an airbrush t shirt. Oh yeah totally actually. An average t shirt with the sleeves off so that. It's not really a tank top. What do you call that one of the a muscle shirt? Is that the same thing as a as a muscle shirt. I think when there's no sleeves Bursley I call it a vibe I agree. It's that Florida vibe Florida vibe. So we hope that you have some personal experience with the conch republic and let's hear from you do a lot of people in key. West actually have a conch republic flag or a passport or is it more. Is it more like a tourist thing? Like do people visit key west and then get the flag and the passport and Visa. And so on. It seems pretty cool. I wish I wish more I wish. More states and cities had that kind of tourist draw in the big question. The last question. Could this happen today or would someone do it today? I'M GONNA go ahead and say just personal opinion. I don't think people would do this I I don't even think key West would do this today. No I don't think so either It seems a little risky and it seems like not a great look considering things like September eleventh and Some of the The heightened tensions involving terrorism and all of that being patriotic is pretty pretty important And especially to a government official. This would not have been a good look You know in in recent years one thing just Fernie like international geopolitics nerds Thing that was interesting. I I agree with you completely. By the way there's I I don't think this is a good move to do post nine eleven you know arguably it wasn't a good move then but it was pretty funny but Fernie Reading geopolitics international travel nerds in the audience. The conch republic's secretary general issues passports. That are pretty expensive. The I don't know if you saw this but the application fee for one is anywhere from one hundred dollars to twelve hundred and there's one guy the Secretary General Peter Anderson until he passed away in two thousand fourteen. He claimed that he had used his conch republic diplomatic passport to travel to thirty other countries and even said that he was able to get back into the US with it five times. That should never happened by the way. That's like you and I making ridiculous history passports or Ben Bucks. Oh my gosh. My grinch heart grew assize and a half man been bucks. Why not bring bring him back as what? I say ridiculous history passports and ban books Who knows all bets are off now in this This new world that were emerging for into We could maybe make a real case for that. We'll maybe man you know if if I've got you guys on my side Has A team. There's not much they can stop us except of course You know will will be stuck in our rooms absolutely And just just to you know really quickly Do a little check in all right. Then you you getting Getting things done feeling okay about the the quarantine situation. Yeah Yeah Yeah I Found my dare shirt. Oh even looking for that forever. No right yeah I know that we're all doing some creative non work stuff. It's very important. You know Nil you've been. You've been really digging deep into music. I've been writing And I'm looking forward to. I'm looking forward to hearing some tunes. Thanks man I'm actually Collaborating on a little something with our boy chuck from stuff you should know he's been doing some kind of cover socks Sort of redoing them in his own style. And I'm going to add a little bit of a little bit of Guitar Them. So that'll be fundamentally that later today that's awesome. We want to hear about your creative projects. I if you have like US found yourself With a little more limited mobility than you're used to of course it can be a day-to-day to day thing and it can be a real struggle to Find your creative voice if you are. You know if you're worried But it can also be tremendously freeing thing so let us snow and let your fellow listeners. Know about your projects. You can find us on facebook. You can fight us on instagram. You can find us on twitter not just as a show but as actual facts real life human people. It's true you can find me on instagram. At how now Noel Brown doing whatever it is that I do post a lot of memes and Just you know videos of me around the house. I might post some of these tunes and I'm working on but I also might not but I'm leaning towards. Maybe and you can find me on Instagram at Ben. Bullen of where I am on a number of strange projects. There won't disclose here on air. You can also join me on twitter. I am at Ben. Bullen H. S. W. A. Hit me up with any of your questions about prepping. Any like folklore questions We got pretty cool email about moth man and I wanNA point out that Casey Nolan. I actually went to point. Pleasant West Virginia Chewed Mothman Museum in. Swag from that still got the hat actually. Got My kid t shirt. I don't think I got myself anything. But she has a Nice Shocking Pink Mothman Museum t shirt that I that I very much enjoy. She might even grow out of it though. That kid is like shooting up like a weed as they said well I think she'll always cherish it as a as a cool memento of time. Yeah well she could also pass it onto her little sis. Yeah that's perfect plan. You know. That's that's it for us today. A thanks as always to our research associate Gabe Museu- who I don't think is a conch republic sympathizer for sure and of course. Thanks Alex Williams who compose this This banging Bob you here at the beginning and end of every show thanks to Christopher House. Yoda's here spirit. Jonathan Strickland and his nefarious alter-ego. The quitter maybe. We'll do a little skype him on one of these From his absolute secret bunker that he has had been maintained and lived in this whole time. it's some sort of like villains. He's got something like a under a glacier totally and of course thanks to eat. Geoff coates checkout her daily podcast. This Day in history class and of course of course of course. Fakes your producer. Casey Program An anti EU. Ben Thanks thanks to you and you out there in podcast late last most importantly thank you to all the people on the front lines in these are troubled times That's not just the military. That's not just the excellent nurses doctors medical professionals. That's everybody WHO's working at a grocery store dealing with panicked people. Everybody who's running the central services like a you know like Sanitation and thanks to everybody. We're in this together here hairband. We'll see folks for more podcasts. 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In Cuba, climate change means harsher hurricanes and tough coffee growing
"Support for climate cast comes from Bank of America as one of the largest global financial institutions Bank of America is in a unique position to help society. Transition to a low-carbon economy Bank of America NA member FDIC. Climate change, Cuba and your morning coffee. I'm MPR chief meteorologist, Paul Hutton here. This is climate gas. Climate change impacts are showing up worldwide. Our neighbors in Cuba, sit just ninety miles south of Key West Florida last week, I visited this beautiful island for the first time and I shared coffee with famed Cuban meteorologist Jose, ruby era. I learned about Cuba climate change and surprisingly Cuban coffee. That is we yes, please have some coffee Jose. I'll never be a PHD. I'm the former director of the national forecast center east for majority. That's the natural west have is the set time for many years. Also, I've been presenting weather in Cuban radio and television host say Grazia mature goose still. It was a pleasure to talk with you today here in Havana at the hotel Nacional when we talk about climate change in Cuba. What are the biggest impacts that Cuba is seen from climate change so far? Well, the because he banked is the raising up to she lever. Now, does he live house reason ferry vice Timmel's in the last thirty years thing pictures have risen also sealed point nine Chechen degree about one degree treasures on the Lincoln shown are the coastlines that long Cuban coastline is extremely vulnerable. To storm surge. Hurricane irma's. Search pushed several feet of water into the streets of Havana. Dr ruby era is one of the world's premier experts on hurricanes. Any told me his big concern is the growing link between warmer, oceans and more rapidly. Intensifying hurricanes part of his job on Cuban TV raising Cuba's climate change. I q what's the awareness level of climate change in Cuba with the people? Well, this White House not only in Asia climate change, everything that has to be with winning. Diamond because we in Daly broadcast for television radio. We also teach believed by little people. I wish awareness and knowledge. Even as we traveled outside of Havana climate remained, the topic of conversation. I'm just north of Trinidad in Cuba at topa, date tapes. It's a mountainous area where they grow coffee and our tour guide nasc- is telling us about how climate change is affecting coffee production in Cuba. Well, what is happening is that it's raining when it's not supposed to be the rainy season or the stood ri- when it's not supposed to be the dry season. And just to give you an example, the coffee plants they used to bloom like three times in a year. And then at the end they had a really good crop. Yeah. But now, they are blooming only one or twice the farmers are lucky, you know, because if it rains when the plants are having their flowers, the flowers hall, and then at the end, there are no beans, and that is happening, you know, with the coffee plantations so many years ago, the farmers they could use the same plant life for twenty twenty five years now that is not happening anymore. So now the maximum time, they they leave their plans at the patience is like ten years talking with Cubans like, our guide nasc-, I sense a high level of. Climate change awareness in Cuba. There's also something I learned back at lunch in Havana. I heard how Cuban's see Dr ruby era as their weather God hosts say was traveling in two thousand seventeen as hurricane Irma approached listen to restaurant owner, ROY describe how Cuban's missed Jose's weather reports on TV. I think it was a guy TV the first today's guy we had to be alert. Okay. Off on the one eighty we have through research. We have to know what's going on by the way. That's climate cast. I'm NPR chief meteorologist Paul Hefner.
Podcast 284: RVers share why they chose the RV Lifestyle
"Hello everybody welcome to the RV. Podcast episode two seventy four. This week we talked to a whole bunch of our fears and they share why they chose the RV lifestyle and one of the reasons of them chose. It is so they can still do their jobs while traveling by working remotely like a college professor. Everything's done online nowadays. There's nothing that stoppable stop us from him continuing doing teaching or anything. He needs to do online Because everything there's Wifi everywhere you can use your phone as a hot spot you can do a different stuff to get into the Cobra. Working remotely is pretty good. Thing is very very good thing. We'll fellow travelers. It's time for another episode of the RV. Podcast your questions. Sharing tips suggesting great trips in off the beaten path adventures and always staying on top of the RB lifestyle news. You need to know about with great interviews and insight Industry Information and hosts award-winning Journalism Mike and Jennifer win-win. Welcome to another edition of be. Rv podcast this win being recorded live versus the opposite in Key West Florida beautiful sunny hot and Humid Key West Florida. Eighty six degrees out there and that we had to turn the air conditioner off inside the vehicle. Recording this other ways we would have been really hot. We're so glad that you joined us. We have Some are we want to introduce you to interview the week segment. We got lots of news. Tips and Off The beaten path report but I my lifelong traveling companion and my bride Jennifer. Hello my dear alone Michael. You warm enough. I M Warm Enough. A you are looking extremely key. Westie as I said this morning in your bright I don't know what I call it kind of kind of floral floral print old fit in key less. Well you do fit in your kind of a fun girl and this is a fun town. It's beautiful we are staying at Boyd's. Rv Campground which is kind of the kind of the best known of all the RV parks down in Key West. And it's it's a little surprising when you first Poland. Well it's a little bit of an adjustment because we had been in a state park where we had our huge camping site and they the first spot. They put us in was right next to the bathroom or literally. Bo was walking into the ladies room. He was hope and they were very nice and they moved us to a little bit larger spot. Yeah the staff here is really really nice and we have. We are in a different spot Although I will admit that was a challenge to get into that spot and I was so happy to be here that I wasn't paying attention. Disaster was narrowly missed straight narrowly. Miss them glad it was missed. You hear the jets from the Naval Air Station in Key West In the background and you might hear bowl. Who's chewing on a bone? I him a bone so he would be happy. I mean the poor guy has had kind of stressful morning. He's had a stressful morning. How about me? We better back up and explain. We took bow as we always do to Get rid of his energy at a dog and it's a really nice dog park. We found at Higgs beach here in Key West dog park but key West has known for a couple of things and one of the things is Would bow calls a dinner You know on the loosened Free Dinner. There are chickens running around all over the place. 'em Bo wants them. He wants them really bad and I actually snapped picture that I put up on our instagram page this morning and I had the the leash wrapped around my wrists and he then he he was great for the pictures. He's looking at these birds and I thought he was just looking pretending decided that that was lunch and he lunged and I thought I broke my wrist. I really did. It's a miracle your hand wasn't traveling down just men. That dog is strong but I survived. Just remember if both played football he'd be a linesman he would be a would line and he certainly would So it's been a crazy week of travel. We want to give a shout out to all the people who we met at Sunshine State. Are there display at the Ocala? Rv Show last weekend in fact. That's where we recorded many of the interviews that you'll hear today from people and I should apologize for this because the sound is it's everybody's talking at once and it's sometimes hard to hear but since that's the interview I had scheduled and we've got it all edited. Hopefully you'll all forgive us for the poor sound won't happen again. I promise but you can make it out. It was so noisy where there were so many people and everybody was talking at the same time excited. Hey speaking of of meat in Greece. I should Let everybody know we have Have one coming If you are listening to this in sort of real time and buy real time I mean this is March fourth As we released this episode. And if you are anywhere near the Naples Florida area we want to give you a heads up on a meet-and-greet that we're GONNA do there. We are excited. We met some folks at the Tampa. Rv Show back in January and they said hey if you're If you down in Naples would love to have a meet and greet and so. We're going to do that and it will be this coming Sunday March Eighth. Two Thousand Twenty and we will meet from three to five PM at the Bone Hook Brewing Company. That's on Emily Road in Naples Florida. I'll put a link to that in In the in the show notes for this episode. But it's Sunday March eighth Naples Florida at the Bone Hook Brewing Company. And if you're around you are invited. I didn't know before we move on if we should talk about how. We're getting around on Key West. Yes well I you've been very kind not to not to tell everybody about my new disaster yesterday as I backed up but go ahead. Well we decided that we weren't going to go in and out of the spot that we have so. We rented a golf cart. Yeah this taking bowl to the dog park this morning. We all had to travel on a golf cart. And didn't I first of all Don? I have a nice wife. Everybody because the reason we're not going in and out of the spot is it's a real tricky spot to get into and I almost backed into one of our neighbors car and his RV. That's because you didn't have somebody helping. Yup I thought I was. I had more. I didn't sufficient close and we decided instead of the hassle of pulling in and out. Because if you've ever been deployed in Key West you know it's a really great campground wonderful people but the spots are very close together and we decided it would be cheaper to rent a golf cart then to back into somebody yes it was and so we the three of us Jen. Me and Bo savvy the front seat in the front seat and we gave photo ops. Too many people wrote down the street. I think many people had huge big smiles and other people probably shaking their heads. I think we should dire out to ever grow up in the tour and know that you don't do that. I think we should hire out to the Chamber of Commerce because we did give many photo opposites who said today it was so cute bow was sitting right between the two of us and he was totally enjoying the breeze in his face he was happy we have been challenged as we do this podcast because we have been traveling a lot. We have let everybody know that. Actually it's a working trip down here. I wish we brought our e bikes. I really am kicking myself because they would be perfect here in key west. Just perfect but then we have the Mo we have the ball so we're going to have bowe watched Tomorrow and Thursday doggy daycare. So we can go out and we have our golf cart and why it's so much easier to park and get around in that and we will do that. We are down here working and this whole trip and Florida is really to get the photographs. We need all. The research is down all the writings down for our next to. Rv. Seven Day adventure guides and we have two more coming in Florida to join the first one which was out just a month or so ago and that was actually released at Christmas. Are Florida Gulf. Coast seventy adventure guy. That's out now. I know many of you have written us and said you loved it and you want The rest of the state so we originally do just one more. We were going to do the East Coast but to that. We are going to add one on just the keys. Because there's so much to see down here so many different attractions different places to say so. We'll have three of them. Three of our adventure guys on Florida won the Gulf coast. One on the East Coast which will be out very soon. May just save in a matter of days as soon as I can get my pictures up and formatted and then the third one on the keys. We'll be following shortly thereafter and. Let's face it so many of our viewers come to Florida to escape the snow and winter. So that's why three three guides are here and they'll join the so much to do. Oh there is and we have We spent some time the first week in central Florida. And to tell you the truth I was not looking forward to that I figured. Oh yeah no what are we GONNA do? We didn't do. We didn't do as a dog walking by we didn't do Disneyworld and all that stuff. That's a whole separate thing and we're not going to do a guide about that. There's plenty of resources for that but we did do We stayed in an over fifty five resort. We've never experienced that before and we thought we should experience it. We'll tell you about that in a video coming up. And then we found some great places to Boondock in the Ocala national forest and we were very excited about that but we were a little puzzled by. We saw a lot of poverty and later on we learned that a lot of people live in the forest sehgal deep into it and they live there and they some of them in old abandoned no longer operable. Rv's or cars or trucks or shanks shanties and then we were told about something about a thousand people who use drugs trade tribe. Yeah they come they come February okay and but we nevertheless found some great dispersed camping places. You get to meet some new people we did. We did we met. Yeah I won't go into detail but there are some interesting characters that live back there and There's a it's a huge huge national forest and there's lots of everybody and we found a great site a great site eaten lake. Which we'll tell you about in both the Guide and in a video we'll have coming out in a couple of weeks but that was really fun. Then we went over to the space coast. And you can't go wrong with the Kennedy Space Center and they even have free boarding for your dog. Although Bo would not speak to I wouldn't call it boarding that. Lets you watch the dog for a while. They Watch Oh. Yeah while you're doing the tour but it's that's that was nice air conditioned air conditioned and we did a camp out at Jetty Park which is a well-known park right next to All of the cruise ships that go out so that's kind of fun to watch them go out from Jetty Park. Yeah I gotta say that I Carnival ship took off and everybody was having such a good time in the music was blaring. I wanted to jump onto. I heard the music and I thought Oh man. We got some parties at this park and it wasn't it was actually from over in the cruise ships. It's right next to jetty park. They really go right by in front. And that was everybody party on the carnival ship and that really did look long but there were three cruise ships that took off in the short period of time. We were there anyway. And then we made our way down here to key west and we'll have videos on all of these things coming up on our youtube channel and a couple of weeks and you can follow along and we'll have our books out our Florida adventure guides. We'll have three of them all for the state and that should be fun and then we got more plan we've got Arizona New Mexico Glacier Arizona. Yeah well we just got back from Arizona so we got now we gotta get the pictures some more pictures. We'll do that Arizona and New Mexico account here. We come can take that heat. Well we can go in in New Mexico. We can go high. We can go up and stay in getting seventy two the perfect perfect weather so but that's another story for another day. Hey before we get on the PODCASTS. We want to introduce a new sponsor. And it's it's really for a product that we have been using for a couple of years now and I'm delighted that they are part of our. 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You ever wonder which American National Parks get the most visitors let's It seems to be common story. We do this every year and once again the Great Smoky Mountains National Park received the most visitors last year with twelve and a half million Followed by Grand Canyon National Park at five point nine seven million and number three the Rocky Mountains National Park. At four point seven million. The figures were released Last week in all they showed three hundred and twenty seven point five million visitors to all of the National Parks and twenty nine thousand nine up by two point nine percent over the previous year. Also the twenty. Nine hundred visitors number was That was the third highest recorded. I did see a story that because of restricted travel a because of the Corrina Corona virus scare China has cancelled many of their trips. And if you've bandon yellowstone or many of our national parks you've seen a whole lot of Chinese people. They have regular organize group tours by the tens of thousands who come to visit our national parks and so I would imagine that those figures may be off a bit until that travel is resolved again. A team of our ears descended on Florida's Cavern State Park to help officials restore the campground devastated by hurricane. Michael in October two thousand eighteen contractors did some repairs but much still needed to be done and Florida state. Park staff were limited in how much time they could spend restoring the campground so the team. Volunteers descended and completed. Almost all the jobs leaving just one involving the campgrounds well to be done before. The site can reopen. We did a story on the caverns when we visited in a couple of years ago. We will link to it in the show notes page for this episode at RV lifestyle dot com slash two eighty four. A very sad story We saw here in Florida last week. Highlighted a couple of a couple a man and wife snowbirds who died in their RV. Because of a fire happened at the high banks MARINA CAMPING RESORT ON WEST High Banks Road near the central Florida town of de Barry and while fire officials were still investigating. It appears as we record this podcast that it was caused by a space heater apparently multiple space leaders extension cords and power strips were in use in the RV. It was very cold a week or so ago. In central Florida caught a lot of people off guard and in a report on fire safety that Jennifer and I did a few years back. We learned that there are about a thousand. Rv fires every year and one of the more common causes our space leaders. Our heart goes out to the loved. Ones of this are being couple and we thought it would be helpful in this. Podcast share a link to that fire safety posts that we did once again. A couple of years ago but Please read that. And it reminds us all what we can do to reduce the likelihood of accidentally starting a fire when we camp reader's digest had a story last week examining how much it really cost to live full time in an RV longtime readers. No this is a subject. We covered many times through the years. And much of the cost depends on how you choose to travel. Rv parks or boondock eating eating out or preparing your own meals etc. That sort of thing still. The article does include some important information about budgeting for RV maintenance insurance and such. We wanted to share it with those considering such a move. There's a link on the show notes page for this episode at RV lifestyle dot com slash two eighty four. This part of the podcast is brought to you by read. Power Bikes. America's number one e Bike brand offering direct to consumer pricing on powerful cream electric bikes and now with free shipping. Like I said we wish we had ours with us on this trip. 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So that if you're running your your Your speed set your speed control if something comes up in front of you come too close to some Another vehicle it will automatically slow down They often have a lane assist. Meaning that if you stray off your lane they. They'll be a signal vibration or noise or an alert. All of the above We have been very impressed now. We've diving a sprinter based RV's we've had a number of class BS and we are now in a technically a class. C Leisure Travel Vans Unity. And the only thing that the bigger. Rv's have like the see. We're on it did not have the blind spot detection and that's because the units the RV's are wider than the camper. Van Type Chassis that the standards sprinters have. They have a cut-away chassis that they use for class seized. Those are wider. Now we use the solution called cub. See UBT and those are third party. Add ON DEVICES. You can install yourself and so we did that and that gives us Blindspot detection as well and we. I am very impressed with all the safety. There's also automatic breaking and break leveling steer by wire and so this is a reality and most of the class BS and the class sees for a couple of years now and all. The manufacturers ramp role master has many of these features. I think the Ford Transit in particular. The new twenty twenty chassis the Ford transit that everybody will be building soon That also has many of those adaptive features so if that's a big factor in you buying an RV you've got lots of places to go. I would be surprised. I don't know about the class as those are a whole different animal to us. What they have on it they. I'm sure are loaded with safety features to just not familiar with them. But we have a lot of comfort knowing that. We've got all those adaptive safety features on ours. Don't we and I wish I had everything on my regular car at home. Yeah I do too it would be. 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Rv Show when we were there a couple of weeks ago and when we talked to everybody we always start hearing their story about howdy. Rv Why do you RV? Where do you go and you in particular? Get excited about all. You need to record this so that everybody can hear it so I didn't have my normal podcast Equipment with me at this show so I had to record them on on my iphone. He say that. But that's all I had and the problem with this. Is You have to listen a little bit hard. And there's a lot of background noise because everybody this. Is that our meet-and-greet everybody's there everybody's excited and everybody's talking so forgive us. Forgive us but What was it that we were looking for you? You just got all excited about all these people and get this person. Talk to this one. Ask Him because they were new. They were all basically knew when they were so excited and they were having so much fun and what they're doing it was very encouraging so we're going to take you with this now to the Ocala. Rv Show where we meet a lot of different RV ears and ask about why and how they're going to live the RV lifestyle. Listen Up Cow Florida the locale RV show and did a meet and greet and we get a chance to talk to a lot of different people and we thought we would make them the interview the week. We've got some of those people like we always do and talking to them and hear their story how they got started places that they've gone their excitement. We wanted to share that with you so Listen up you'll hear lots of different experiences but one thing in common. They're all having a great time. Keith. King and I'm from North Philadelphia Bethlehem Pennsylvania area and as of nine months ago. My wife and I had zero experience with Harvey lifestyle and We really all of the virtually all the information that we need from you to folks really general. I and my wife was a little very skeptical. Quite reluctant turned moving this direction but videos and the PODCASTS. We've listened to with you folks. helped her a lot with preparing things in the kitchen. Leisure Travel Van. And we're absolutely loving from folks north of Philadelphia threats great to us and glass-walled and rejoined the harvest hosts recommendation. Stay couple sites. What you're telling me that might enjoy three different. Golf courses already Just on a trip down here to Florida over the last month. And what were you enjoy about that? We're not coffers but we enjoy the Dinners that we've had the restaurants at these places and Nice private quiet vices. We Parker up next to the fairways have beautiful place to spend the night you're sharing about your wife's hell. Yes accelerated retirement due to a diagnosis. Your wife God's in the last year house she has illness not pure Severe Fatigue illness and I retired early to be able to travel and enjoy things while we cannot her? Health is enough to try one which is a great place to hell to do that because we have a small dog that we always with us and of course in the in the van. She can relax traveling anytime she feels. The need to do as much as her strength allows us to do. I'm Greg Long Time here in Florida this month. We've having a really good. Yes we join absolutely. We really made the point to come here today to try to find you and thank you. Oh because I don't think we'd be doing this. We're well thank you make it all worthwhile for us. Thank you so excited you have well. Maybe you'll be on this. Will you be able to watch yourself? How about you guys introduce yourself fire. Richardson on on island. New York retired two years ago and we were in our house up in. May Massachusetts a small cabin. But we really haven't been in it that much this year because we've travelled since August nor still on the road probably the end of March so that's about seven months. How's the amazing experience? I did a trip like this back. In nineteen seventy seven. But just a Chevy van and Ben Ben Novak so this to me is like glancing. Ltv Union has been tremendous for. You have a chance contrived pretty much anywhere around Citius. Blm areas and every other scenario that you can think of it but we we've been on Bruce about selves husband and you also rookie of Campos or just recently. We decided to try something that we've been any of Lard. In essence January second saint lot of different areas of the state and we decided to try campground hosting for the first time over. The Mike Race had branch they walk in Keystone Heights Florida and that's also been a ones experience. The people we've met just been amazing and to also have the opportunity to Chil- from fairly aggressive scheduled from August through January. Just getting around. Canada country seem many of the parts. So it's been a real pleasant experience. Be Sure you recommend that to folks and lending APP. We're finding that there's plenty of opportunities all over the country in any of the state park systems log onto their campground site fill out an application submitted and start getting some context with people for a month three months six months. It was often as little as you like. But a highly recommend at least one hundred. Sippy where are you from Bob? I'm from Webster Florida which is in the center of the state. How did you start all this? Well I guess I got a lot of experience because I develop small mobile home. Rv Hard to meet all these people who travel in everybody kept saying to travel you this John McCain and so about ten years ago reach a point which was very conservative. My mind so we can do this and go sold apart and everything. We've been traveling six months and it's been fantastic. Time has gone by faster. He just couldn't find it as things people tell you that you're lucky. Oh yeah yeah. That's like a lot of people. It's not really walk. Well sometimes you of course you do have like. It's hard work I we. We worked jobs and times being self employed work. Sixty seventy hours a week with apart. And there's no pay vacation sickly you work when you can. We don't take many vacations paying for them. So but because of that Retirement age fifty seven. And we do door activities which are quite physical and you had been shaped. I'm seventy seventy three and I'm still. I could still go turn ten twelve fifteen hikes cal and I can't ride the bicycle as far as they used to. But we do. I've done able to paddles within a different clubs. I've bled trips down the Rio Grande River River two weeks at a time traveling and we stay in our camper and we can stay right there. I'm comeback Capers area. We have dinners effort and And we'd like to do this. I think I the solar panel cares. We do have a very seldom apis George Watson and we live in villages further to starting. We've been watching your videos and really enjoy. And so I pick adventure coming up. We're We're renting her twenty five foot Kasumi going over to Walt Disneyworld. And so that's probably ten fifteen mile drive and then we're going to spend a week there and they wilderness camp ground and so we're up here today kind of looking at the next level and we're really interested in the class B but it's kind of similar it's something You know we've done a lot of camping over the years. We'd never gone this next level not healthy outside and enjoy some of the outdoors and I really liked the fact that you're GonNa try I and you'll know whether that's the right size for you know whether that's really smart. Yeah we just thought that You know there's so many options out there. And everybody's got their opinion selection for their reasons to try and see what it looks like a big selection options. And you know there's advantages disagreements with each one and so now once again having sessions like yours is good but actually living in the next. So we're looking forward to that. I might name is Sonny Watson. I live in the village Florida and my husband. He teaches online classes for the University of Wisconsin. Platt built and at home. It's easy because we can. He has his own office. Shut the door so we're looking at buying new. Rpm One of the things we want with our new are to have separation so he can go and have a quiet space. And I can still having my life on the other side of the RV. And so that's what we're looking at the. Rv Show is someplace that go watch TV or whatever and the spouse someplace to choose separate. Living areas are extremely important. Because everything's done online nowadays. There's nothing that stoppable stop us from continuing doing his teaching or anything he needs to do online Because everything is there's Wifi everywhere you can use. Your phone is the hot spot. You can do a different stuff to get Wifi into the Cobra working remotely. It's pretty good. It's very very good thing before our vacation would be planned around. Hotel STAYS TRIPS. Barnes and noble contributes to the library trip to someplace starbucks. We live starbucks. I can tell you about style so having something in our own. Arbia our own. Rv To be able to from separate us and still tell me that you can always tell when he's been teaching a class. Oh I can always tell. He's teaching the class especially when you kiss him his uniform now now. The is teaching online. Most of the time is short address shirt and a tie so I can always tell when it's coming up on a gotTa be quiet. It's teaching time. I have my shirts and my presser urging all you see on the camera wearing nine news desk. I could testify to that. I remember back in my TV days. I would When it was really hot in the summer I I'd have shorts and just a shirt tie and jacket I. When I was anchoring the Times I anchored so and then another thing I wonder whether they still do remember those that used to sit on a telephone book or we used to be taller or shorter. They wanted the. I have seen some of that on so many books. It was weird. I was worried they're going to top off but anyway those are are some of the people that we met in. You can hear so many excited voices in the background. And that's pretty. Typical of our meet and greets are aren't they? There's there's this people just immediately become best friends and we have so much fun with it. I want to again apologize for the noise. Because we didn't know we were going to record that and I wasn't prepared so that was just recorded them. They iphone in a couple of times. One of those voices in the background. I was familiar to me. My dear Farry you were you were just be a learning experience and it was but I also farther away and I'll have to be you couldn't because everybody followed US actually did move to another table and they all came over there or so but you know the RV lifestyle just has so many different factors to it and so many different reasons that people adapt to it. And I just love doing our meet-and-greet again. We are next meet and greet will be in Naples Florida on March eighth. And we're GONNA meet at a little microbrewery there the bone Hook Brewing Company To Go to our show notes episode. Rv LIFESTYLE DOT COM slash to forty two eighty four to eighty four. You'll you'll find this there. I just realized what the problem was. Normally when you're interviewing people. I'm like the bouncer. I usually stand around and I keep people from interrupting or go gotta be quiet and instead this time. I needed somebody to tell me to be quiet. It was so fun though all those people and that was In Ocala Florida we were at the booth of Sunshine State. Rv's And our friend Nick Schmidt Schmidt was at the that Ocala showing since. Why don't you guys do a meet and greet here? Because a lot of people will be there and was a great idea and it was fun because we got to meet. Nick's wife Mary and his four kids and Craig was there and Sheila. Was there in a couple of others from the From Sunshine State. Rv's if you guys don't know about Sunshine's eight Arby's they probably have the largest selection of small motorhomes of any dealer anywhere in the country. They are specialists in small motor homes. They have probably the largest inventory of used small motorhome. She'll find anyway. I couldn't believe we visited them on the way down. We looked at the dealership just to say hi. When we're passing to Gainesville Florida and there are lot was just filled with all these awesome used a class B classy motorhomes and then of course in terms of new ones. They have The brand new road track now wrote trek is back in business. They have the new Zion models that are now being produced. They have Coachman beyond the courtroom beyond the Coachman Galleria New models from Winnebago the the they have the bottle the most popular class in America. Check amount. You just need to go to their website You can buy them down here in Gainesville or you can arrange the fly down and pick it up or they'll deliver it to your driveway just Talk to nick and he'll fix it up checkout time. You heard US talking about them. Right here Sunshine State. Rv'S DOT com time now for off the beaten path army. Podcast travel suggestion. You probably. Here's my time to check in with our regular off the beaten path correspondent. Tom and Patty. Burke I mike and Jennifer before it gets to Lake Michigan the Kalamazoo River widens to form. A couple of connected. Lakes on either side are the two towns of saga talk and Douglas. There seems to be a mostly friendly rivalry between the two both established as getaway destination for Chicago residents fleeing the summer heat. Saw Guitar has a reputation as an artist colony and Douglas as a classic Lake Resort town. You can't visit one without seeing the other and there's no reason to try both are delightful and although residents have turned down a merger more than once. They share a school a library and a fire department. In the nineteen fifties when resort life was giving fired up and still today. Beach on Lake. Michigan was a favourite summertime. Hangout for Families Joe. Decker got the idea. He could make a good living selling cold drinks and hot dogs to beat visitors. This was the heyday of the American road trip and roadside attractions. Were SPRINGING UP EVERYWHERE DECKER. And his friend. Kelly went to work in his backyard in Flint. They cut and fitted stage to make a twenty foot high barrel. After it was finished. They took it apart and moved it to Douglas. Where decker owned a piece of land right on the way to the beach. The Douglas Root Beer barrel was the spot to be in those days. Selling Frosty mugs of masons signature brew along with foot long hotdogs inside. The barrel was room for two workers and outside a car hop or two took and delivered orders to the thirsty patrons just arrived from the city or returning from a long day at the beach residents. Who worked at the barrel in the summers recall lines of blocker more long on many summer nights? And how the local doctor and police officer were always passed to the front of the line. As a courtesy the barrel operated until the early nineteen seventies. Then as was the case with many outdated notions it lost its popularity closed and fell into disrepair when we're began to circulate in two thousand eleven that the barrel was going to be. Demolished residents formed a group called friends of the barrel rallied to save it. The building was once again. Dismantled and dozens of volunteers repaired and refinished the one hundred and twenty five staves that make up the exterior students from the High School Industrial Arts Program built a new base and support structure for it and the two thousand eighteen it reopened at a new home right along the beach road now again. You can stop in for a frosty Mug of barrel root beer and a foot long coney dog on your way to or from the beach and if you're travelling near Westport or only Illinois keep your eyes open because that's where the other two of these can be found. They'll be in a backyard or on a street corner or in one of the neighbor hoods. You won't ever see unless you take time to wander off the beaten path. What's happening time now to check the RV calendar events? Well we are still in the middle of RV show season and we have several of them for you know about this weekend. We'll put links at Rv LIFESTYLE DOT com slash two eighty four. And you can follow all those links to to figure out when the shows Open there'll be links to eat show but let me just run through. This is all the weekend of March fifth through the Eighth Battle Creek. Rv camping show at the Kellogg arena in Battle Creek Michigan the Colorado RV sports and travel show at the National Western complex in Denver Colorado the RV and camping show and sale at the New York state fairgrounds in Syracuse. New York the Montreal. Rv Show at the polite congre. I can't pronounce that French at the Palace of Congress. I don't know in Montreal Quebec in Canada and March fifth through eighth. Also the North Dakota boat camping in vacation show at the Fargo Dome in Fargo. North Dakota March sixth through the eighth these Central Illinois. Rv Show in Peoria at the Peoria Civic Center in Peoria Illinois and the sixty eighth the Fredericksburg RV show at the Fredericksburg Expo and Conference Center in Fredericksburg Virginia wraps up another episode of the RV. Podcast with Mike and Jennifer win. Lint new episodes are released every Wednesday and the best way to stay connected to subscribe to the podcast. We all the popular contest. Apps and you can also listen the RV lifestyle dot com travel blog. Happy trails fellow travelers. We'll be looking for you down the road all right. That does this week show. Thank you guys. So much Ben We had the air conditioning often the RV's re recorded this. I am really hot. Yes we have to quit talking and turn on the AC so we love you but we're GONNA go kick cool and we're GONNA go off and enjoy key west. We'll see you links to everything you heard about in the show notes episode for this podcast and that is RV lifestyle dot com slash two eighty four happy trails.
Cursed Objects: Robert the Doll
"Due to the dark nature of the object discussed within this episode, listener discretion is advised especially for those under thirteen. Robert. The doll has been known to curse anyone who pokes holes in his story. Consider Yourself. warned. In June, two, thousand, nine, a man will call Harry posted about his bizarre vacation experience on trip advisor. During his holiday to Key West Florida he and his family were overcome by the heat wave. They found relief in the air conditioned interiors of Fort. East Marcello. Museum. In perusing the museum one particular artifact caught Harry's is. A hundred year old doll named Robert. Hairy pulled out his camera hoping to capture the unique treasure. But a curator quickly stepped in with a warning he should ask Roberts Permission First Harry smirk assuming the curator was kidding he proceeded to take three quick pictures of Robert on his Digital Camera But after Harry noticed something strange. His memory card was wiped all fifty photos from his vacation. We're lost and the bazaar aftermath didn't end there. Harry's family went parasailing the next day and the guy documented the experience on film. They bought a digital copy to relive the memories but when the family tried to upload it to their computer. The files were gone. Harry wondered if the doll actually was to blame. When the family returned to their New Hampshire home things got even crappier. And his children heard strange haunting whispers and his house at night. That's when he logged onto tripadvisor to warn other museum guests, Robert? The. Doll was not to be messed with. Welcome to unexplained mysteries as defy original from podcast I'm your host Molly and I'm your host Richard in life there so much we don't know. But in this show we don't take we don't no for an answer, every Tuesday and Thursday we investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth. You can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all others spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. In today's one part episode, we're covering Robert the doll a life size figurine dating back to the early twentieth century nearly everyone who's made contact with Robert claims that mayhem misery and terror follow him wherever he goes some saying that Robert has the ability to leave a lingering destructive curse on those who question him. Others say his power is sourced from Voodoo spell? And some suggest a malicious spirit uses Robert to live out its most violent vengeful desires. We have all that and more coming up stay with us? This episode is brought to you by by life plasma services. Your plasma is desperately needed to help treat. Those were most risk right now, and when you donate plasma by life, you can earn up to six hundred dollars in your first month. Become a donor at vile life visit bio life plasma dot com to schedule an appointment. Upon first sight Robert, the doll is unassuming cute. Even his soft plus she body stands about four feet tall and he wears a white and blue sailor suit complete with a matching. Cap Roberts face has small molded lips with a tiny knows in pinprick nostrils his is around black buttons underneath painted eyebrows. The Heron his head looks real sprouting out of the scalp like an unruly toddlers. Some say Roberts Frog is made of mohair yarns spun from the for of Angora goat others believe it's human. Robert the doll was acquired by his original owner. Robert. Eugene. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, four at the time auto was four years old and lived in a sprawling key west home with his parents and three older siblings. There's little dispute Unwin Win Robert joined the auto family, but there are a few different versions as to how. Local Key West residents have heard several rumors about Roberts mysterious arrival. Some say the doll was a gift from one of the families female servants possibly a made any as the tail goes a Haitian nanny of the autos used the family backyard to practice either black magic or Voodoo rituals. Rumor has it. She even performed these ceremonies in front of the auto. Children. One day the matriarch of the household mini Otto wandered into the backyard during one of these rituals. Many was appalled by what she saw the nanny danced around a fire singing in her native tongue she banged rhythmically on a handwriting as she spun erratically. Many interrupted the practice and fired the woman on the spot. A few days. Later, the former employees returned with an apology as well as a gift for her former charge little Robert Otto the gift was a doll. So large, he appeared life-size to the four year old but the present wasn't enough to win back the families trust they let Robert, keep the doll but refused to bring the woman back into their employees. This is just one theory on how Robert The doll joined the auto family. Some claim a more benign tale stating that a relative brought the toy back with them from. Germany. No matter who's giver was the doll and boy were instantly inseparable. Just a few weeks after the doll entered his home Robert informed his parents that his new toy demanded to also be named Robert. was more the doll insisted that the name couldn't be shared. Moving forward, the four year old told his family he wanted to be called by his name Eugene. And the name stuck. For the rest of his life, even when he became a locally renowned painter Robert Eugene auto was known as Eugene or gene. At first jeans parents weren't alarmed by their son's obsession with Robert the doll they entertained it allowing gene to bring Robert everywhere they gave the toy seat at the family dinner table gene even shared his clothes with Robert in fact, the dolls now infamous sailor suit likely came from gene's closet, his parents found all of this endearing but it wasn't long before things took a strange turn. The sounds coming from gene's playroom were disconcerting. Jeans parents heard their sons high pitched youthful voice. But then an unfamiliar voice responded. It sounded unnaturally deep and sinister. The autos couldn't imagine gene making that noise himself not even play. When asked gene told his parents that he was talking to Robert. Overtime Robert appeared to gain sentence jeans, parents, and even a few visitors swore they saw the expression on Robert's face change. He also shifted positions when they weren't looking the oddest felt uneasy but they convince themselves it was all in their heads. So Robert demonstrated his power in an undeniable fashion one night the family awoke to guttural. Screams. Coming from gene's room. His parents rushed in to find genes sitting up in bed shaking. Every piece of furniture in the room had been turned upside down. When the Otto's asked, they're petrified son what had happened Jean pointed to the foot of the bed where Robert the doll stared up at him. Gene replied. Robert David. From then on any mishap in the house, was Roberts fault from broken glass to large messes in loud noises gene always insisted that Robert was to blame. One afternoon, the auto saw another of genes toys on the floor. It was mangled and torn to pieces when the autos reprimanded there son for ruining his belongings. Gene seemed Crestfallen. He had liked the toy. It was Robert who didn't. Eventually. The auto separated their son from Robert. They banished the doll to the attic despite jeans desperate protests. It's not clear why gene loved Robert so much as the youngest it's possible. He felt neglected by his older siblings unable to join their more mature games whereas Robert Never abandoned him. Maybe, Robert provided gene with a sense of superiority only gene got to see Robert Se really was. Even as gene grew into adulthood, he never forgot about his childhood friend. Jean moved to Paris to study painting. Yet, he returned to Key West in one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, five after his mother's death and inherited his childhood home. One of the first things he did upon his return was head to the attic to recover the doll gene brought Robert back to their old bedroom. He then placed the doll in the window where he could watch the passersby below children revised their routes to school in an effort to avoid the auto house. They swore they saw Robert in a window one second and in a different window the next. No human could move through the House that quickly. Meanwhile gene redeveloped that strange connection with his old pal Robert. He even commissioned a set of custom furniture in Roberts size including a rocking chair and a table. Corey conver- Tito an expert in Roberts History said Jean brought him everywhere. He talked about it in the first person as if he weren't a doll, he was Robert as in he is a life entity. Gene and his wife Annette never had any children. So perhaps Robert Acted as a proxy for gene. But not for a net. She felt unsettled by Robert, and while she never admitted to witnessing any of Roberts's strange activity, she did notice the strange effect the toy had on her husband. Robert became the third wheel in their marriage to nets horror gene seemed to revert to an old childhood habit. She told neighbors that whenever her husband did something cruel or disrespectful he claimed innocence. Instead gene repeated the same boyhood refrain Robert. Did it. Put Up with these strange circumstances for over forty years until nineteen, seventy, four when Jean passed away. The first thing and it did. Was Banished Robert to a trunk in the attic. Later, that year and then sold the auto home to a woman named Myrtle Reuter. But when Myrtle signed on the dotted line, she became the owner of more than just a beautiful old home. She became roberts new caretaker. Coming up Robert Delights in torturing Myrtle. Are casters you know the world can be chaotic and unpredictable but how far would you go to turn the tides of favor in your direction? In the newest spotify original from cast, we're taking a closer look at bad omens, good luck charms and age-old traditions that just might have the power to change our fates. Each episode of superstitions presents a new drama that unpacked a different belief. Can Holding your breath while passing a cemetery save your life will carrying a rabbit's foot bring you luck. How can you go through life always avoiding the number thirteen and why should you try? They may seem mystical unusual completely illogical. But one thing is certain. You ignore them at your own risk. You can find and follow superstitions free on spotify over wherever you get your podcast to hear Moorpark has shows search podcast network in spotify search bar and find a growing slate of thrilling new series to enjoy. This episode of unexplained mysteries brought to you by simply safe. Simply safe was designed to be easy to use. So protecting your whole home twenty, four seven has never been simpler. You can order it online with the click of a button once the box arrives all you have to do is place the sensors, plug it in, and then your home is protected around the clock I really liked that the device is. Attractive and clean looking. It talks to you a soothing voice as you go through the setup which helped me to get it up and running quickly and with their twenty four, seven professional monitoring and emergency response starting at just fifty cents a day. It's no wonder simply safe was named best overall home security of twenty twenty by US News and World Report. Simply safe has definitely put my mind at ease my family home and property will be safe. Head to simplisafe dot com slash unexplained and get a free hd camera that simplisafe dot com slash unexplained to make sure they know that our show sent you. Now back to the story. After purchasing the auto families, Key West. Home in nineteen seventy, four Myrtle Reuter became aware of a haunting presence. She'd heard footsteps and giggling coming from the attic and after tracing into Robert the doll, she decided to bring the toy into the main house. Myrtle hope that this would placate him. She was wrong. Anytime, myrtle or visitor said something negative about the late gene auto myrtle saw roberts facial expression morph into a grimace. Sometimes she found Robert in a room or position, she knew she hadn't placed him in. She feared Robert was moving around the house on his own. Despite Roberts antics, myrtle building uneasy trust with him. They live together for almost twenty years. It's not clear why ertl kept Robert for so long perhaps they cultivated a friendship or maybe myrtle was just too afraid of Robert to risk getting rid of him in which case her fear was well founded. In Nineteen ninety-four myrtle moved out of the auto house to a new residence in Key West. Florida. But Robert didn't like his new home. After a few days in the house Myrtle tried to exit her bedroom. She knew it wasn't locked and yet. The door wouldn't budge. Myrtle knew exactly what or rather who had tracked her. The very next day she donated Robert to the Key West art and historical society who maintain the Fort East Mortello Museum. The members were happy to have robbers. After all he was a rare artifact from turn of the century childhood. Myrtle seemed happy to be rid of the toy who tormented her for years. But something she never really escaped. She died less than a year after abandoning Robert. And while the details of her death are in public, it hasn't stopped people from wondering if Robert was somehow responsible. At. First, the museum curator's didn't realize the danger behind myrtles donation. To them Robert was just another oddity to be cataloged. And he made it his business to prove them wrong. Initially, curator's stored Robert in a back room until he could be rotated into an appropriate exhibit. But Robert didn't tolerate being hidden away. Museum employees couldn't believe their eyes when they saw a white blur flying around outside the storage, room? Apparently Robert was on the move. He's zoomed around a corner out of sight but the curator in charge dismissed her coworkers concerns over the posessed toy. She continued working on Robert's upcoming exhibit long after the museum closed for the night. As she tinkered with the exhibit the curator saw something that made her hair stand on end. She never told anyone exactly what she experienced night, but it sent her running out of the building screaming as if she were on fire. The next morning, her colleagues arrived to find her bike still secured to the rack outside. Robert's curator was apparently so frightened, she ran all the way home. Now, that Robert had asserted dominance over his direct handler he wanted to make sure every person at the museum knew who was in charge. A few weeks later, the closing employees locked up the museum and turned off all the lights. As they walked to their car. They witnessed every bulb in the building turning back on simultaneously. No single person could have turned on his lights. Illuminating every bowl in the place required flipping eight different switches throughout the building. A chill ran down their spines as the employees. All thought the same thing. Robert. Not long after this incident, one of the museum workers made a strange recommendation. He suggested that Robert be shown proper respect with his own display case. They even gave him a small toy, a stuffed dog, Sioux, city, Journal reporter Jill sensible theorized that the dog helped Robert, feel like a real person. Robert had his very own doll to dote upon. This special treatment suspended Roberts Poltergeist Taichung's but not for long. Soon, Robert installed a more sinister practice cursing everyone he laid eyes upon including museum gassed. At first Roberts antics were innocuous for example, visitors reported strange things about the photographs they took Roberts display. Some guests found their cameras drained of battery as soon as they entered his presence but when they left the museum. There cameras regained full function. Others found their pictures of Robert, came out blurry or overexposed despite every other photo having developed. Perfectly. One guest only took a few photos of Robert. But when they developed the images from their key West trip. All twenty four photos were of Robert in varying positions. The guests found Roberts antics. But the museum staff didn't take the stories as lightly. Out of a sense of responsibility for their visitors safety, the implemented a set of precautions to assure Robert felt respected. To this day, every visitor who meets, Robert must follow a specific set of guidelines. I polite introductions are crucial. Every guest must tell Robert Their name and express gratitude or excitement to be in his presence. Any visitors WHO WANNA photo of Robert must also ask his permission I. It's not clear how Robert provides his consent. But if guests senses that the photo is unwanted, they'd be well advised not to take it. Finally. Visitors need to thank Robert for his time before they depart. We know it may seem humorous that any self respecting guide would enforce these rules. But they're in place for a good reason, you may have noticed that although Robert is a doll referring to him throughout the episode as he. This sign of respect is an insurance policy just like the rules at Roberts exhibit there designed to prevent an outburst from Robert. In fact, many have found that define these rules can lead to traumatic disaster. Coming up Roberts curse spreads worldwide. In a world where CATNIP is plentiful and every room has scratching post something spooky is lurking. Premiering October sixteenth temptations productions presents this stuff of capt nightmares. The first ever horror movie for cats scaredy cat the next time you hear those glasses falling off the counter and picture frames sliding off the shelves you may want to think twice is that your cat or something far more sinister, scaredy cats the movie. So hair raising that you're very feline will race under the bed to hide before being lured out by the temptation to keep watching this halloween don't trick them treat them. Great cat magazine gives scaredy cat five pause and cattermole weekly called it the cats meow. scaredy cat will be available on Amazon fire, TV, andro. Pew. So head to YouTube dot com slash tempting brands to watch the trailer now. Now back to the story. Robert the doll relocated to the Fort East Martell. Museum in one thousand nine hundred ninety four. After a series of strange incidents curator's installed a set of guidelines to protect the guests from Roberts curse. But not everyone could be spared. Today hundreds of letters surround Roberts exhibit. They started arriving after he went on display in the mid nineties and they haven't stopped. He receives one, two, three notes each day, but it's not fan mail. It's victim mail there composed in several different languages. Some letters were handwritten others were formerly typed of you even scrawled in crayons by children yet there's one thing they all have in common. Each letter bagged robber to forgive the transgression made in his presence. One rider apologized on behalf of her daughter who stuck her tongue out at Robert during their visit another expressed regret over their disbelief in Roberts powers. Every piece of paper represented a man woman or child desperately seeking release from Roberts curse and the mayhem he brought to their lives. Some letters detail run of the mill inconveniences like misplaced wallets, broken down cars or malfunctioning cameras. Others convey more life altering woes like divorce lost jobs or a horrible injuries. One writer confessed to taking Roberts picture without permission. Afterwards. The perpetrators suffered bankruptcy the sudden death of their pet and they nearly died themselves. In an effort to prove their contrition, some people sent gifts with their written appeals. According to the Museum Staff Robert has received candy money even marijuana in exchange for his forgiveness although Robert cannot imbibe in any of these substances. The curator's never consume anything that's meant for him. They fear that in doing so they'll make Robert angry in fact, Roberts wrath has been known to extend beyond the walls of his museum. In May twenty twenty a facebook user claimed that Roberts curse also apply to any online slights. The twitter Hashtag. Sorry. Robert began trending soon after twitter users who only viewed Roberts pictured tweeted out preemptive apologies after doubting him in contrast, there are actually a few people who have seen Robert as an ally. Some have written to Robert seeking his advice on how to take down their enemies. Others have specific targets for him to hacks. No matter what the intention there's one thing every writer wants to know about Robert. The origin of his powers. One expert was believed to have located the wellspring of evil that fuels Robert the doll, and he found it in the unexpected. David Sloan is a key west local and a paranormal expert in nineteen, ninety six, he followed up on rumors of haunted activity in the old auto. House. Sloan expected to hear stories of ghost or a demon. He was surprised when the homes current. Daryl Meyer suggested they meet a toy Robert. The doll didn't even live at the auto house any longer but it appeared he still had power over the location because as soon as Meyer mentioned the toy to slow on the phone receiver in the kitchen levitated off its base. It's stretched in Sloan's direction until its cord grew taught. Then retracted back toward the base before clattering to the floor despite his years of experience with the Paranormal Sloan was shaken. From that day forward he dedicated hours to uncovering Roberts history. After researching many different toy producers of the Era Sloan track down Roberts original manufacturer. Found that the STEIFF company a German time Acre created dolls very similar to Robert. sloane consulted stikes American archivist Rebecca Kaufman for more information. After looking over detailed photographs of Robert, she agreed Robert was consistent with other staife dolls manufactured before nineteen twelve but Kaufman pointed to something Sloan hadn't considered Roberts large dimensions apparently, most styles were only a foot long. But Robert stood about four feet in height Kaufmann believed Robert wasn't mass-produced but specially made for a window display. In other words he was one of a kind. A. Marketing item like Robert would have been very expensive. This meant whoever bought him from the STEIFF. Company was wealthy enough to purchase an item that wasn't officially for sale. This indicated to Sloan that Robert Likely wasn't a gift from a servant. Sloan wondered if genes German grandfather Dr Joseph Auto could have brought the doll back after a trip to his homeland. But Dr Auto died in eighteen, eighty, five, nine years before Robert was given to gene that leads Sloan to examine European travel records from all of the auto family members. He found the genes mother mini auto return to key west from Hamburg Germany, in September nineteen o four. So. Robert was probably jeans birthday gift from his mother. So. Far, Sloan had discovered Roberts origin story, but he hadn't been covered. Any leads regarding the Dole's powers. And Sloan's discovery discounted the legend that an ex servant intentionally brought a curse toy into the does home sloan kept digging. Until he found something more scandalous than a resentful nanny, he discovered that there were close ties between the autos and a Black Bahamian couple in their employ. William and Emily Abbott. Mr Abbott initially worked in Key West as driver for jeans grandfather Dr Auto. And when the doctors sight failed Mr. Abbott. Became his indispensable caretaker Mr. Abbott remained autos close attendant until the doctor's death in eighteen eighty five. Afterwards, Jean's father Thomas. Hired Mr Abbott to work as a clerk in the auto family pharmacy. Mr Abbott. maintained an intimate relationship with the auto family. In fact, burial records show that both the abbots were laid to rest in the auto family plot. In the Mid Twentieth Century, an interracial burial place was extremely unusual. This personal and permanent sign of commitment shows the closeness between the two families. This made Sloan. Wonder whether their relationship went beyond that of servant and employer Sloan Found Plenty of records documenting William abbots relationship to the auto family but his wife Emily Employment is less clear. However Sloan did find some circumstantial evidence that points to a well kept family secret involving emily lean. There are a few signs that Jean's father Thomas was unfaithful to his wife mini. Mini complained in her journals that other women were jealous of her marriage especially because she didn't come from a wealthy family even more damning was the evidence from her father-in-law Dr Auto who instructed his son on how to protect himself against venereal disease. And his advise did not include abstinence. Dr Otto, appeared to support his sons womanizing. There's further documents to prove that many opted out of the family burial plot. There's no way to know for sure but it seemed like she didn't want to spend eternity alongside her philandering husband given all this Sloan speculated that Emily Abbott might have been one of Thomas. They may have even shared a child. At the time birth records for black women were sparse but sometime, between one, thousand, nine, hundred and nine, hundred, ten, emily had and lost her only child some newspaper accounts of the auto family mentioned in passing a black girl associated with the family. After Thomas died in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventeen, emily lean filed a lawsuit against the auto family. However, the details resolution of the case are sealed. Sloan couldn't ignore. Piece of evidence submitting this theory. Several people who've interacted with Robert the doll claim his possessed by a spiritual entity and all of them described the presence as light skinned black girl. In the nineteen eighties, a psychic named PUCCI Myers spent a significant amount of time in the auto house. She often spotted a girl who looked about five years old crouched at the bottom of the stairs. The girl wore a white nightgown and scowl as if something had just upset her when Sloan uncovered the possibility of Emily and Thomas's illegitimate child, he couldn't help but wonder if their late daughter was the malevolent spirit behind Roberts antics. Sloan also considered a different possibility. PERHAPS EMILY NHS grief over the loss of her child and passive rage towards the auto family led her to enact some sort of Voodoo spell involving Robert. In this case, emily in May have been the nanny who according to legend was fired for executing a voodoo ritual in the Otto's backyard. Well, there's not any hard evidence that emily was familiar with Voodoo this practice wasn't foreign to the history of Bahamian Culture for Bahamians. The practice of communing with the dead and channeling their power can fall under a religious practice called obey. And Obey expert could theoretically get in touch with the spirit and then transfer their energy anywhere in Emily's case. Into A life-size doll. Either the attempt win terribly wrong or emily intended to generate misfortune for everyone who came into contact with Robert. Everyone that is except for Jean. Out of all the people, Robert. Interacted with only gene experienced positive outcome. Perhaps Gene Roberts mutual affection was born out of love between the siblings, the four year old boy and his deceased half sister. When discussing Robert in the Key West Florida weekly Sloan expanded his theory. He told the newspaper, it's possible. Several different entities were concentrated around Robert each of them feeding on the negative emotions and fear visitors brought to the exhibit. That theory was reinforced during a nineteen, Ninety, seven seance in the auto home. Participants gathered in Jeans Childhood Bedroom hoping to summon Robert initially the ceremony seemed like a bust nothing of note, occurred during the entire ritual but afterwards, a few participants tried to go up to the. Attic. At first they found their passage blocked. Some invisible force like a tightly inflated Balloon Stop Them from progressing up the stairs. But after enough people pressed on the threshold, they broke through and opened the hatch to the attic. Beyond that door, they witnessed defend Tasma goral seen. I'm even distorted orbs of light bounced around the dark room passing through the walls and windows to escape. Downstairs, the psychic who led this seance suddenly burst out screaming. There was no sign of Robert Physically, but the psychic swears his spirit passed directly through her. And had left her feeling drained in the days following despite his research into Roberts? History Sloan offers no hard evidence of how real Roberts powers may have been. He assumes that the hundreds of firsthand accounts speak for themselves. But there's another expert on Robert that presents an opposing opinion. Cory conver- Tito is Robert's primary caretaker and a spokesperson at the Fort East Martell Museum. Corey overseas, his physical wellbeing personally removing him from the glass case once a year to monitor his deterioration. She also manages his social media presence and helps catalog all of his letters she even acts as Roberts living proxy occasionally responding to letters on his behalf. Corey tries to send some acknowledgement to every child who rides to Robert. She told Atlas. Obscure we feel like, Robert. Would want to be kind to children. When asked if Robert is haunted or cursed, Corey just shrugs she says I don't know I've never had a bad experience with him I've never felt uncomfortable. Whether there's something to it or not, he just allows me to get on with my job. Corey's level headed evaluation shouldn't be discounted. It seems odd that someone was so much exposure to Robert wouldn't experiences supernatural tendencies. Perhaps. There's a rational explanation for Roberts haunting behavior after all. I it's important to remember that Robert is an exceptionally large doll. His appearance is memorable and a bit off pudding a perfect character for your stereotypical, horror. Story. Then, there's gene. Otto who may have been an eccentric and mischievous child when the didn't like to be punished. So he placed the blame on his best friend Robert the doll. As far as Roberts, changing expressions and positions these were mostly observed around the turn of the century. Electricity at the time was faulty it flickered as much as candlelight. This could have created the illusion that Roberts appearance had changed. Finally. We must consider Roberts victims. It's possible that Robert caused the turmoil in their lives. But. It's more likely that those same misfortunes would have happened whether or not they came in contact with the doll. Sometimes it's just easier to handle bad luck when there's something else to blame. There's only one way to decide if Robert really hold supernatural powers or if he is just a creepy looking doll. And that's to consider the evidence for yourself. Now that listened to Robert Story. He may be aware of your existence keep a close watch on your foreseeable future. And if anything bad happens, you may find yourself reciting the same line as countless victims before you. Robert, did it. Thanks again for tuning in to unexplained mysteries, we will be back Tuesday with a new episode for more information on Robert the doll amongst the many sources we used, we found David Sloan's booked Robert the doll extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify. See, you next Tuesday and remember never take we don't no for an answer. Unexplained. Mysteries was created by Max Cutler and is a spotify original from podcast executive producers include Max and Ron Cutler sound design by j Cohen with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden and Travis Clark. This episode of unexplained mysteries was written by Hannah Macintosh with writing assistance by Allie, wicker in stars, Molly Brandenburg and Richard. Rosner. Hang on horseshoe above your door keep a rabbit's foot in your pocket and follow superstitions Freon spotify listen every Wednesday for the surprising backstories to our most curious beliefs and thrilling tales that illuminate the mystical Irina of our favorites superstitions.
NPR News: 07-04-2020 7PM ET
"Live from NPR News Janine herbst. Several states are seeing surges in the number of new corona virus cases mainly in the South and the West Florida has seen more than eleven thousand four hundred new cases, just since Friday and NPR's collins wire reports that shatters the state's single day record. It's an unwelcome milestone, and it's one that Florida has set repeatedly in the past two weeks. It's not even the first time recently that the state has top ten thousand cases in a day. But Florida is not alone. South Carolina Texas and a slew of other states have set grim records of their own recently as the virus has surged across the South and South West as a result, local officials from Cincinnati to Boise are dialing back. They're reopening plants, implementing new restrictions and south Florida that includes closed beaches and canceled fireworks displays making a rather somber fourth of July calling dwyer NPR news, and as more countries ease lockdown measures and cases of covid nineteen rise globally. The World Health Organization is concerned that some young adults are not taking the threat of the virus, seriously NPR's Jason Bobi and reports WHO officials warn that severe cases and even death are happening to people of all ages. In some places, recent spikes in Corona virus infections have been concentrated among people in their late teens and twenties, while many of those infections may be mild the WHO she scientists Sumio. Swami Nathan, says it's virus still poses a potentially serious threat to younger people's health, and you have to remember the young people are not immune from severe disease or that it's less common than in. In older people, but we should not become complacent that it's fine for young people to get infected. Some children and teens who've been infected suffer from a severe inflammatory syndrome and large outbreaks among young adults threatened to spread the virus further throughout the community Jason Bobi N. NPR news and the total number of corona virus cases in the US now tops two point eight million. Black lives matters protests continue around the country in Cleveland. Protesters gathered this afternoon calling for the defunding and the demilitarizing of police, many held signs saying on the community, not the COPS and stand against hate meanwhile at a national action. Rally today in New York City, Reverend. Al Sharpton said Justice is not assured for black men who are killed just because the charge some police. George flowing. And in Ahmed Aubrey that is only one fades. We still have to deal with trials. And Law. And spurred by broad public support for the black lives matter movement, thousands of activists from around the country will hold a virtual convention in August to produce a new political agenda that seeks to build on the success of the protests. This is NPR. This summer's primaries exposed a glaring need for America's election officials finding space big enough to accommodate a lot of voters while also following CDC social distancing guidelines now as NPR's miles parks reports NBA teams are stepping in to try and help. Three NBA teams Atlanta Milwaukee in Detroit have offered up their facilities to support democracy this fall in Atlanta. The hawks have finalized a deal for the team's arena to be used as an early voting centre with hundreds of stadium employees being trained as poll workers. The plan will also help with transportation, says Renee Montgomery. She's a guard with Atlanta's WNBA team. The Atlanta Dream can't get to the polls, so we to Rena the talk about different places like that will now you have public trained it. They can get their. Montgomery says she hopes other basketball. Teams will follow Atlanta's lead more than a third of the NBA teams are in presidential battleground states, miles parks NPR news. Cleveland Indians Baseball team is joining. Washington DC'S NFL team in reviewing its nickname in a statement Cleveland says it's committed to advancing social justice and equality, and says it plans to evaluate the nickname. It has had since nineteen zero five two years ago, Cleveland removed its chief. WAHOO LOGO FROM CAPS AND JERSEYS WORN by the team for Washington's NFL team the decision to review the name came after Fedex and other corporate property of partners rather that xp two hundred five million dollars for naming rights to the team stadium. They all called for the team to change that nickname. This is NPR.
Stolen AEW tittle belt? The mystery of the missing championship belt
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In a crazy story coming out the eight year w flash the world tied a newly won a w w title title belt their prestigious championship bill that is won by chris jericho the could feed. You very conceited thinking that a._w._s. All about him don't care about van now but again about the fan he had to do a police report. Y'all no joke there is official police report it ya out of chicago out of chicago and and we don't know who could possibly taking the bell as he left it in his limo while he was getting something the e._u. And an establishment the celebrate the title in again you might have celebrate it all by himself because he doesn't think everything's all all volvo him while chris jericho only chrysler thank you and then there's the tops first the top guy like cody and i think that guy's name the one that i saw on the clip at the at the end of the the pay per view the mighty release the clip that guy deserved thank you not you chris jericho and then eight w had a chance the earliest established that already been career of the wrestling chain should ahead heyman in page may history winnow twenty four hour not even twenty four hours at the critical. One belt went to get something. That's like me when i used to have the child close by here. That's like me forgetting almost nearly forgetting the cab money honey and leaving upstairs the flights of stairs and then go down meet the gap oops questionable. How sales standard can you get to actually leave a title belt on you a very nice <unk> title bell oh and let the for somebody still matters left in the limo of all places and that was a police report going on around here now and i was all over the wrestling community l. by the police report where he demanded establishment cargo leaving it in a limo coming back. It's gone <hes> when my died about with my dad. Bell <hes> will metabol- is derek. Bell is derek bell does not awa belt and not a._w._o._l. Too for the fan the fans this is derek. Bell is not for the fan. You got what you deserve jericho instead of celebrating with the fans and sometimes still right you jericho so let me get that through your thick skull of your let me get that through your six though there are some fans that still like you jericho and they support. They still stay oldest. Win is good for you. This is good. This is good. You are still he'll and then you had the number one time to say that the reason why that the n._f._l. Is coming on u._s._a. Because you all had no and whether it's because of that it will plan by the w._w._e. And you've been gone for w._w._e. Until you came into a eight it is not because you. You're in another wrestling company. You stick with a._w._s. And in an an unbelievable unbelievable and now he got bell stone his belt has gone open investigation obligated so now now we we got who is messing with roman reigns. Now we got who steal the w title match actually have a police report outside of chicago chicago. They knew liza gago yet starting to celebrate the title win a he'll title in would it should have been hanging the bait. Oh my god wow this is hilarious. He got everything everybody was papua the story now. It's like <hes> wants to hurt one of my sources p._w. Limited edition got their them. Sources actually got a police report. Y'all actually actually got a police report so i wanna keep up on this story because this is interesting so you always hear about. It depresses tight about you. Don't care about the fans who paid. I'm thinking amount of dollars. Especially some of this <unk> expensive ringside feed from the receipt the no please that she don't care about the van who even coming to the tv tapings on t._n._t. You don't care about them and it probably going to still buy merchandise but you don't care about them. It's all about you know. You don't deserve a thank you so much. Don't server thank you you lost. They're all out not by pimple also mentioned but by fever tonight. This is a prestige jay. <hes> upstairs says really causing me problems. Give me this update <hes> but the taito no building a w was stoned out of tallahassee florida airport area and while chris jericho was eaten at law view stakeouts not in chicago so the must took redeye at the event because it was not even twenty four hours until we just got this breaking big story the awa title bail is stolen and <hes> so there's also put that on luggage was <hes> <hes> was given in the i was trying to say earlier that reminded distant bid when i get my luggage when tamar cruise news last year my birthday and also i have been to the tallahassee or key west florida because like now there's still a well tropical storm run myself during hurricane dorian still out and about and i i was thinking when when <unk> florida was like idiot. What are you doing going to florida. When there's a hurricane but now he went to tallahassee as i'm trying hi to get this update for you went out to eat now. He rented limo after he got out at the airport. <hes> got not too long up longview. Stay cows and i guess somehow in the middle of dinner. I think another bill say they're gonna define didn't have to worry about it. Casino come back to the limo missing awro belt missing in their actual police report outside of jackson outside side of not yet seville but tallahassee florida south the mystery is still growing and growing every other day though i will try to keep up on the story but i mean my palace wearing the palaces always a hit and miss with the online stuff so had a role with the punches here in this podcast.
Lee County Board Candidate Todd Truax
"And our first guest after the round table is GonNa join us. There is todd. Todd Todd extra coming on I appreciate it now. Taught is running for Lee County board and that's district. Three which includes Fort Myers beach correct. Is that how it works whereas everybody just got free rein to the whole council? The whole county gets to vote. But I'm running for district three. Which ones from basically Benita up to health park? Okay what do you do? What is background? I'm nursing. Home Administrator social workers. I've been working in South West Florida for twenty some years. Now now. What's what's the name tag? Is that part of the campaign commissioner. I'm keeping people in mind. That'd be nice. Nice in the Water. So Sorry. Dear enemy turney market. Just I do want to say yes. He's got a name tag and he's got a super fantastic car. What do you mean? Y- go ahead tell them Mustang GT. It's my life. Crisis continued orange with the black stripe. And I got my magnets on the side. So that's how I advertise has magnets on a car like that. They had to sign a waiver. Because it might mess up the pain. But it's worth it. It's worth for the campaign and it matches the name. Tag. It's it's slick all right there. You go right for the colors. Good job there. Well I mean it's like picking the team that has the nicest jerseys things so serious. Todd what what. What is it that you've run for public office before right what I did? I ran for a US House district. Nineteen was running for Francis. Rooney seat okay and twenty eighteen twenty eighteen now. Who How did that campaign go? It was a great experience. I got eleven thousand five hundred thirteen new friends base that as my base for this campaign. the issue for me as being a nursing home administrator was The cuts to Medicare Medicaid Social Security and veterans benefits. And that's how I take care of seniors. I've been taking care seniors on my life and and I saw that as a threat to their care and well being now. Why did you decide you wanted to run for Lee County? Board eighty thousand votes separated My primary opponent and Mr Rooney and so I said that's a big margin the make up a difference of so I I saw Lee County as local way to make a difference and I didn't like the direction that The commissioners have been taken the past several years. Which direction is the focus is on growth and development and not on health and wellbeing? The water. The water issues are just across the bay here. Though the The the green blue-green algae the red tie issues and and I've been to a lot of different Protests and meetings about the water issues and joined the collusive water keepers because I think water is a bigger issue than just growth. Growth is going to happen no matter what and they haven't been managing that very well either. You're not you know contributes to then more water problem. It's not managed well and we're just GONNA add insult to injury we need smart. Growth is what we need already. We have one hundred thousand septic tanks in Lee County alone and there's no plan to stop or halt that or to even inspect those things well alone to connect those folks that you're not John. Hyme fan are you. I mean I met John. In my campaign come on I did. I'm everywhere you're sacked about. Broke down the sidewalk isn't he? Didn't yell that you were for dirty water for no reason. No because I'm not for dirty water. He's thirty one. Well the folks that are paying attention to the issue are thereby supporting now the I just noticed that last week or they were celebrating. The county was celebrating that they just bought more land to is that. That's that's a nice gesture. I've seen a lot of conservation. Twenty twenty money's being spent to administration and not buying land compared to the other counties sixty seven counties in the state Only twenty percent of our county has been conserved for for For preservation other counties. It's averaging thirty five to forty percent and we've got a lot of big green spaces we need to keep those and and keep the bluewater as pristine as we can get it so you do. You agree that county. That government should own so much. Poverty is is to prevent to prevent people from developing in other ways to do that. These that can be placed so yeah just like by mining rights to mine underneath. I end or or or drill You can also have easement on top of the land to just keep it as either cattle or agricultural purposes rather than putting sixteen hundred houses on it just makes you say hello to our daughter. She's watching so we'll go. Oh Your Your Dad's watching the whole family's Mafia and so can i? Can I give you a just a little bit of my opinion on something? I was going on that communication between the county and the beach. Town Council really sucks talking about. That's the county commissioner. Right there in the mayor of Fort my now. Here's what I mean by that. You see this construction going on back here that this new this new thing that they built back here right during the middle season not only town council didn't even know that it was going to be built or they say they didn't know so I I mean I'm just passing. It's not that long. I'm just a little advice. You could tell football. I'm just saying that's put the by the way the road construction. I think is is going million dollars. Well spent yeah. Yeah and it's going to be Super Nice Beach Way from the south end so Yeah it was beautiful ride this morning and and and the water The way it's going to spill out into the center of the street and leave the higher ground for the lanes. I I think that's going to be pretty handy. I don't think I understand the bricks in the middle thing pretty but yeah I know but what do I know buy bricks. That are going to help train. Because you're an engineer now. You know what you're talking. Well I studied so tell us more. About what your issues are because you know what our issues are. We're having trouble with our marriage but a sixteen years anniversary and the car. Buying the car was okay with her. Well this is the second Mustang convertible. Oh you have to now. I turned one free so many miles on it. In fact I was looking forward to driving in the Saint Patrick's Day parade and Nice. That's cancelled as well in the kind of person that had a driver and you sat on the back and ways to volunteer driver and it was my car and now I gotta stick shift so I gotta find just a special driver volunteer driver. You're interested that'd be so nice. He cannot do it. South shift gears them you know that. The mayor's House is filled with candy. Now because they were going to throw candy out and she said something last night like what am I supposed to do with candy and I was trying to be positive so because my first thought was candy is throw it out. I mean nobody should have Kim. It should be outlawed. Forget about the plastic straws. There should be an outlaw off candy. We should start an outlaw candy campaign really. The only kids don't eat candy but anyway candies. Who's that I was? GonNa Sneak Up Candy. So what else? What other issue are you? Water the growth and clean energy if we focused on those three issues alone and the health and safety of our community. I saw recently the the press. Release press announcement about this Kobe. Nineteen issue and the county commissioner. That was there was asked. Well how much revenue are using and really the focus should be about the health and safety of the community before. How much dollars are we missing out on? Because you know we gotta cancel the beach. The Shrimp Festival. Are we GONNA cancel the different events in the community? It's hard but it's more important to be safe and alive for another day. And how many bucks are we moved Melissa out? There was a huge impact when we had the blue-green algae all the hotels were empty. The restaurants Ramsay the bar bars were empty and people that depend on our income or losing out including the captain. Did you see what happened to the guy that ran for governor and Miami? Did you see that story like he got that? Oh wow that was crazy. Did you see that? I'll tell you about it later? Google that you're going to get up on the news when you have guests in four seven doing this I have going on. So you're so you're for clean water not dirty water clean energy dirty energy me your issue in. How do you think the county handled the Coal Co. Vid Kor Corona Virus Situation that the county has to not just wait for the state to do something and not. Just wait for the the the federal government to do something because already we've known about this since December November and still. We don't have enough test so we don't know how many people are are are are stricken with illness. The large population that fits into a risk group. That you could google that before the show and I was just taking a busy. Mom used to run the nursing home over at Harbor and mom's at the KLUBER independence. Our and I took her out grocery shopping. Because we need to get all her basic essentials so she can have her. Lanson have however Toilet paper but we didn't feel a shopping cart full of it. Why do you think there's been a run on toilet paper? And what can the county do to fix that? So Weird County. The biggest spent expenditure of our county money. The four hundred fifty million dollars that we spend is on garbage removal. Wow and our service department well okay all right and so so the paper Battles are Nah thing. I'm baffled with I get the water but besides the sore throat and dry cough another symptom is is could be diarrhea and nausea. So it could play into that. Yeah but if we need to box the county will ever ration toilet paper so that everyone gets their fair share. I don't believe in that. I don't believe that's required. Good hard hitting questions. I prepared by. You know. We're here for fun question. Whatever question I had in my head went right out like a roll of toilet paper. Needless I wanted to ask by the way you have a candidate in the sheriff's race. Who are you going to vote for their carmine? Yeah we're trying to get him on the show but I won't ask him about the toilet paper because he carries a weapon. Yeah Yeah so clean water clean energy what else. What is the number one criticism that you have with the besides being white men? Why can't we get on younger white? How old are you fifty one which you how much making you don't have to have an. I just love asking people that quit administrators average about six figures. Nice at the lowest. And why would you take a pay cut? Because that's a fulltime job county me. It's about giving back. I'm a social worker. I yeah and so We've set us outside a nest egg. My wife is still working for the state She works for the Department of Families for thirty years to just three up for the The drought program so she doesn't want to retire so this acute visit. How have you seen kind of healthcare and the elderly and nursing homes progress over the years with different administrations and well lately the current administration wants to cut back on all right so the current administration? Yeah I did my research and Cutting back on those inspections cutting back on on on our health and safety for our grandma's and GRANDPA's and aunts and uncles and MOMS and DADS. And I think that's a big threat. I I see when when folks talk about cutting red tape and bureaucracy the really cutting protections that are in place to keep our environment clean poop our people safe and keep businesses in line that might otherwise pollute and or threaten others safety and Health. So todd why a why is it that the county wants Allowed to run people over in these waters out knows the guy in Naples when there's a fifty year old San Diego. There's a fifty year old at the beach. Swimming and a seventy seven year old was racing his boat and knocked him with this vote. Wow and threw him a life vest and then sped away and so the people on the beach thankfully there are people on the Beach. Call Nine One. One took the guy over to the road so it can be taken by ambulance and then they caught the fellow that was roundabout knows just this week. Well the area yeah. Why didn't really mean that I meant that we? We had some speed limit out here. All of a sudden the signs are twenty five miles an hour zones and now the town has jumped through all these hoops to pass things. They don't even have the power to do it yet. They live on the speech. I mean that. Talk about red tape. I mean that's crazy that they're able to do that and the best way we can. We can police ourselves as say the same things to fellow. Boaters was while we're out there saying keep the slow it down. You know people Move their hands like that to slow cars down as racing on the road if we need a mom out there with the hairdryer pretending like she's got a radar gun. Maybe we'll do that. I've never thought of on the streets. One night we out one night. We should do that on Gateway Boulevard out with the hairdryer and see if people slow down. Have you ever done that? You did that nine. Hundred Eighty no eighty two fear with that is. Is that a the shape of a blow dryer. Looks like you're GonNa take a look like ruined the Quan. You're the kind of person that would tell us to stop kitching kid I am purple and safety and I will say with the boating and swimming. I ended up. I'll swim in the in the area and I will wear you buy these blow up orange things that trailed behind you and that way people can see you when you're swimming when you're out there you. I mean you would not see somebody not really. How are you going to swim but I have no direction so I could be in the subject? He's running for county. We're not talking about running marathons safety so todd. How many people are running this see? I'm sorry I don't pay so much. There's all white guys all old white guys it's showtime may twelve if you WANNA qualify either come up with five thousand petitions or five or six thousand dollars. They can qualify by me and I think these please join us. I think women are too smart to run because they don't Wanna put up with the kind of crap that you've seen political election. I mean who wants to be smart enough to know which candidates devote for good so now being a county commissioners a fulltime job right. Well you have to quit your job. I mean we have to quit your job. I'm I'm semiretired and my license. I'm keeping my license active as a social worker and his nursing administrator. I'm taking my re up my licensing September. It's always there for me and so this is a full time campaign right now. So does that like you would have to quit your job right I. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And what are they paid stopping night? Wow Ninety thousand dollars to be a public official. I'd run just for the money screwed. You don't think he'll get elected. No I think I'm a man of the people I don't I don't know I gotTa Start. Small gotTa get on a committee me and John. Hi He's going to be my running mate or having you send you're married. Guess what other things. I've got two kids. My daughter will be joining me. And after you see you in May be moving back here from Alabama. She got a free ride in Engineering Alabama. Transferring she's GonNa Start Environmental Sciences the. Fcc You very excited about that. Yeah that is exciting. So how's the campaign going like you can't really go door to door so you haven't been going? What are your thoughts? You can't hit every door hitting as many doors as I can't knock on doors down here on the beach. I have so many doors would not believe yes. I've hit doors in high speed doors and Cape Coral doors and Lehigh acres. You name it the Sterile Benita. How's the response been going door to door making the effort to come out and see them personally? Some folks. Are you know some dogs after yes I was going to say. And what is the weirdest or you know I? I've been campaigning for other campaigns or volunteering for many years. So it's it's not new to me to fend off. Dogs are a step away when the the warning signs are out. We've never gotten a campaign knock. We always get loiterers. We have one of those gated communities. We get people coming in that. Want to fix rule. Here's the same house and they say Maruf Guy. I'm doing the roof and we had just gotten our roof replaced. We can you see. We have a new roof. I mean there's a different but we've never had a candidate come two gateway maybe they don't care about the gateway along move Alva- Alva- nice. So how much money do you need to raise really being the race in a political campaign question because Folks measure candidates by how much money they have and really. They should focus on candidates with the issues that match their issues a mesh match their priorities. So I think it's skewed I know. My opponents are going to spend a bundle of money fighting each other and more power to them I still think I'm going to beat them. In the issues I was. I had the best dollar vote ratio in my primary when I got my eleven thousand new friends and I'm going to have a plan on doing the same thing. My priority is not so different than other people's pockets but it's a really dip into their minds and find the issues that matter to them and touch them there and go ahead you. Well I just you know we were talking earlier. It's a pretty big issue on the beach with the negative flyers that had been issued by certain packs. Do you are you affiliated with any? Do you know I don't take PAC money I just got a check for two hundred fifty dollars from nursing home administrator dock every donation is one of the guys. I knocked on the door of gave me a rosary. I don't know how to qualify that when it's going to give myself a plug now. We're at it todd. True X T O double dtra x dot com the website. And then I'm also an act blue joining donate and if you WANNA email me. It's todd at todd. Show X DOT COM to you. Do the INSTAGRAM facebook. And all that. He getting on facebook right. Yeah yeah by the way very responsive various right on top interview of my my opponent over there at breakfast. I didn't say bad things. It's been responsive you couldn't get a hold of me. I don't think it was only I didn't it. Didn't mean it was you. I'm somebody else running there. Isn't there somebody else. Running there are two other fellas. I think that's what I meant. Because you're automatically response. I'm on need help with twitter and instagram and the I don't think people use Youtube. I got some youtube out there you do. Yeah Oh cool yeah what about tick talk talk? I've been warned against that. I don't even know what that is. It's enjoyable but it's been one against it. You should do podcast. Hey It's catching I'm doing it right now. I can help you out with that for minor donation this way. Not that way so an expenditure for him. So how many other kids? How many other seats are up around? The County Commissioners Five Commissioners. Three seats are open. I'm in district three. There's district one and district five. So one is the Santa Bella area Mister candidates over their ruins running for one of these is heavily. Funded spending a ton of dough. But I think there's deeper pockets. They're in that island. Yeah yeah well. He's he's got a political base. Yeah he's well known he's been that mayor for one hundred years down there so the summit the when I was at the everglades conservation coalition kept Eva. Now the WHO else who else seat is up. I know Frank Nancy does up. There's other fellow Damn Madame come out right on but I was thirty years in independent so I don't think either parties right all the time and if you just mentioned one party. I think it's like hunting with one I I don't know what that means but do you think that outdoorsy person. No I created social Where it's a call that you're supposed to do is create. I was the inventor social distancing so I don't WANNA lose my train of thought. Oh how do you think the president has handled this entire virus situation? Totally honest or you looking at me like that. Wow I don't have anything nice to say. Okay there yeah I agree with that I mean I just think that it was just a total egg drop on that. It was just horrible and trickle down. I mean the way the way it happened on the beach was like last weekend. Nobody's even thinking about the trim fest ever being cancelled and then all of a sudden thinks just started one answering forty eight hours it. Just yeah. School's out two weeks cruise ships for a couple of months when Disney closes does not stand. Wes Yeah in Japan I cruise ships are just a bad idea from the beginning. I mean there's nowhere to there's nowhere to go. There's a group of people constantly around you so But I I don't want to get off the subject. Why should people hold for you this over me? Because I'm I'm not in it for the developers not funded by the developers. I'm not In commercial real estate not going to benefit from my position other than to benefit the community that I serve. I've been a community service personnel my life so I still serve the community through the Lions Club and Benita. I know the lines were throwing The Fort Myers Beach Lines. We're throwing the shrimp fest. But in Benita We go and check out all the kids and the preschool. I was in Lehigh acres was in Cape Coral You name it. We're out there checking kids for vision and hearing so it's about community service and that's why I'm running do the. We talked about that a couple of weeks ago about the big push or vision and and I know how important that is because you know working with children you can see a pro. You know if you don't if they have a vision problem you're not going to be clearly early stigmatism and treat it right away. I also serve on the cafe. I've been in the board there for eight years We serve fifty two hundred fifty people a day in the springs and now we're providing transportation because all the cuts for for transportation. So we're helping folks goetze violences and and other medical testing and taking kids to get their their screenings for for school. Have you been Elected to any other position yet or is the first name. Remember the Florida Healthcare Association district. Sixteen though it's a cover Twenty five nursing homes from Peace River South DEMARCO and as far west as La Belle and we covered all those nursing homes when I was elected. The president several years later so that represented tens of thousands of of nursing home patients their families and employees any other questions deer. Have People reach you? Todd Todd True Dot Com. I've got facebook page that I'm on pretty regularly. It's todd true. Acts the picture of me with the Times Square is rolling around me and then the email is Todd Detach X DOT COM or the website. Todd true x dot com. And if they wanted to donate they could find a way to to. There's a link act blue which at its website to coordinate. Donations helps keep with other reporting here reminds reporting process. Cool thanks for coming on. We hope to have you on again. When it gets closer to the election I was getting ready to shake your hand sanitizer. 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Captain Tony's Saloon
"Due to the graphic nature of this haunted place listener discretion is advised. This episode includes depictions of Gore lynchings things violence against minors and brief mention suicide. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen choice. Mother was always taking him to places he didn't want to go. She wouldn't even let him use the boy's bathroom. She said that no four year year old got to use the bathroom. They wanted but she was lying. His Dad let him use the boy's bathroom all the time but dad was still back at the hotel so troy had no choice but to go with his mom to the beach and then to a little bar for refreshments he drank water fast then then began hopping from foot to foot as he tried to get his mom's attention he really needed so she went to check the girl's bathroom first and and then told him he could use it. It was empty. He glared at her. She crossed your arms and waited after a minute try gave up and headed. Today's choice. Mother was wrong. The bathroom wasn't empty. There was a woman in their her legs. Were Tangling in mid air just about this. There were big red marks across her throat. splatters of Brown covered her dress and a trail of red liquid direct down to the floor troy rubbed at us is the woman was still there. She was twitching face turning blue. Her arms stretched out from her body getting longer and longer somehow able to reach him as he backed up towards the wall squeezed his eyes shut hoping she would just go away then he felt your dogs. Her hands were cold as ice and sharp something slid down from the top of at this head to his chin he felt the open air stink against the fresh scratches. Her hands left him and all was quiet. You opened one nine prepared to make a run for it. Suddenly the arms were around him locking him in a savage embrace. He struggled it until he couldn't anymore. Urine hit the tile floor in the bathroom. What silent once again? Welcome to haunted places places. A podcast original. I'm Greg Poulsen every Thursday I'd take it to the scariest Aereas. Most haunted did real places on earth. You can find all episodes of haunted places and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or anywhere you you listen to podcasts. Stream haunted places for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type haunted in the search bar at par cast grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do it. We love let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. And if you join today's episode. The best way to help is to leave a Five-star Review wherever you're listening this week. Join me on a supernatural super-natural journey to Captain Tony Saloon. A mid nineteenth century ice house turned morgue turned bar complete with a hanging tree in the the parlor and discover why to this day. It's haunted. There's no place quite like Key West Florida. And there's no bar quite like Captain Tony's saloon. The building has been said to have many lives since opening its doors in eighteen fifty one from a morgue to aboard Delo to a speakeasy frequented by ernest taming way. Several sets of human remains have been found during renovations to the salon and many patrons reports sightings of a woman in blue moving through the parlor and in the women's bathroom but key West itself has always played host to death in its early history. The island allegedly served as a communal grave site for the Qaluza and Taku tribes of South Florida. The Spanish colonizers is is who invaded key. West in fifteen twenty one called the five point six square Mile Island Cayo or bone ki as open air. Burials were common despite its early European contact key west maintained no permanent settlements until the eighteen twenty s when. US Navy Lieutenant Commander Matthew C Perry claimed the Florida keys as US territory. Spain offered no objections and the American navy proceeded to use the island as that's a base of operations in their war against piracy during that time period at least sixteen pirates executed on the island in eighteen fifty one perhaps for practical purposes a combination. Ice House and city morgue was built next to the town's so-called hanging tree. Aw whatever the reason the land that would eventually become the home of captain. Tony's saloon became the last stopping place for many of key West's settlers regardless of their origins the land behind the more transformed into a makeshift Potter's field acting as a low cost grave for those without family or means of burial and this sort of grave was particularly vulnerable to the elements in eighteen. Sixty five hurricane season wasn't listen kind to key West estimated one hundred five mile per hour winds rack the island and every boat in the harbor was either sunk or thrown inland. The storm showed the settlers. Why the indigenous Floridians hadn't buried their dead on the bone key all it took was rising untied and swirling winds to raise them from the ground? The Sky Screamed in anguish in late October. Eighteen sixty five anita woke in the middle of the night to the pounding of rain and Hail Neil against the tin roof. The flimsy boards of our house shook water leaked in through gaps in the slats. rivulets of water cascaded from the proof onto her forehead. She spent the rest of the night in the bathtub in her dreams. She was drowning surrounded by water with no oh land in sight. Your parents hadn't wanted her deliver loan but if they had their way anita would never have left home at all aside from services with the wound. Gone there voodoo priest. Of course were they moved to Key West. They brought their Haitian traditions with them Anita to believe in the power of Voodoo but still found herself doubting the strength of their traditions would the law. This spirits really follow them to. They're strange new home. She hoped they had she needed them in the storm. When she woke half of her body was submerged the rain had stopped but murky water hit the floor from her site? She pulled pulled yourself out of the TUB slowly and crept out of the bathroom. Something slithered pastor leg. Anita shivered. She he didn't want to know what creature had entered her house with the storm to sharp prongs bit into her foot. She it lifted or foot slowly. Balancing precariously on one leg large splinters jutted out of her skin she pulled the last remnants suffer. Bamboo shutters out of her foot slowly. clenching her josh. She did so. She took a deep breath before continuing on word waiting adding towards her front yard. The streets have been replaced by rivers up debris dark water with fragmented objects floating on Tom. The Sky was a cold gray. She needed to check on her family. She tried to collect yourself for the long walk or perhaps swim whim but then something else bumped against the smaller back. It was solid but soft bloated. Someone was floating in the water. Boy Maybe fifteen years old at first. She thought he might need help but his skin was impossibly cold is is cloudy and open mouthed expression of horror was frozen on his face case. This was not a victim of the storm. The child's death had been far more horrific anita had seen around town when he had been alive. She did not know his name but an unnatural. Death left a soul languishing by its grave while the law. Aw made their decision about what should happen to it. If the soul had been separated from their resting place they were vulnerable to being controlled told by a Boko. For a sorcerer. Anita wasn't just looking at a dead body. She was looking at something that could rise again under the command of someone someone else's soul Zombie. Anita changed her course she could not let the soul taken by someone who wished harm to the world. It needed a resting place. She looped one arm around the corpses torso and started waiting towards the cemetery. The world was eerily still when it should have been bustling the small two story homes stood empty empty on the main street there. Wi- doors left open as the water flowed lazily in and out barrels chairs and fresh fresh bread floated from the entrance to the general store. No souls living or otherwise lingering outside as she came close closer to the cemetery. Realization dawned on her chunks of gravestone floated alongside them. There were no other bodies to be found in the sacred earth. The cemetery had been destroyed and hundreds of souls have been ripped away from their final resting place but she couldn't fred about that yet. Anita needed to bury this boy. I she needed dry land then she would worry about what happened to the others. She alternately walk to end floated for several miles before she found a spot where the water order has dropped away. She wrapped her arms around the bloated corpse carrying it out of the water and toward safety. The ground was still damp around the house but it would have to do. She laid the corpse down carefully before digging into the soil with their fingers. The Moisture Oyster Made the earth pliable. She dug with purpose. Bruce's blossoming longer fingertips. Eventually she dragged the by inside the hull she had created. Anita took one small vial of holy water from her SATCHEL and placed with the body glad of her mother's stubborn adherence errands to their traditions for the first time in a long time but she knew it would not be enough her womb gone live nearby she could get more vials from him enough to surround the body protecting it soul. She raced to his house but he was not home. She fretted about about what to do. But ultimately decided necessity allowed her to take the holy water leaving a promise to pay in full but he returned Anita filter filter bag with as many vials as she could carry and made her way back to the Ice House she walked carefully picking through the mist that had floated over the choked choked marsh. That had been her home. She had the right to be afraid for the souls safety as she approached her makeshift grave. A figure emerged from the gray. Someone was waiting for her. They were more bone than person. There is protruded from their skull pulsing with blood. Even though it looks like the rest of their Baynes had been ripped out they were missing teeth and several fingers one of the bones and their legs had been snapped in half held together only by tenuous ragged sinew. The Limb should not have been upright eight yet. The creature seemed undeterred. Held up by a force more powerful than gravity. Anita clutched her bag tightly. Looking down to the boy's body still in the half finished grave. She did not want to cross paths with Zombie. What she had to prevent the other soul all from turning into this Zombie watched here with its red is? She knelt down to the ground and began to plant vials of holy water in the soil casually. She asked creature what it should be called. There was a smile at its voice as it told her that it had once been called. Old Eleanor now. It had no name no purpose except to serve the whims of its core. Anita media could guess what. Eleanor whims. Were more dead for the Boko. More zombies the dirt started to harden harden on her fingers as she struggled to shove the byles beside the corpse. She pleaded with us on the Bo. Cooper had so many choices at their disposal postal why this one sole think of the balance he could restore appeared mercy and left it free to await the judgment of the Lewa Illinois Illinois sucked his few teeth. He told her she was naive. To think that core wouldn't want more power and a spiritual army to control the island. He reached into the ground and pulled out the vial of holy water. That was supposed to protect the lost. Soul more of Allen. Nord's flesh flesh peeled away but he didn't seem to notice. He threw the bottle towards another chunk of broken gravestone the file shattered into useless. Shards arts the poor souls only defense sinking into the already damp earth. Anita took the opportunity to get closer to the voice as corpse. She dug into the dirt quickly. Small Rocks Rake Triscuit. But she couldn't afford stop. She shoved bottle after bottle. Bowl of holy water the body one vial that another. Eleanor to tact her. She felt rotting flesh and crack nails close over her hair as he dragged her backward she tore it his arms sloughing bits of skin and muscle away. She desperately struggled to free herself. Finally she threw herself to the side. Slipping from his grasp Anita ran to the body. The vials intercessional clinking as she moved she shoved them around the head of the corpse as Zombie stumbled toward her. She was almost halfway done if she could set them. All in place the soul would be save. Those long be reached for her but she was ready for him this time. She narrowly avoided his outstretched hand. He leaned too far teetering and nearly falling as she ran to the other side of the grave. Anita buried another vile sil-. She was so close to being finished. Eleanor backed away watching her work. She didn't have time to wonder why he had stopped. She kept digging into the soil. Fingers bled the earth sucked up the moisture. Still thirsty despite the flood has she laid the last file into place. She felt eleanor behind her. Something cold moved through her body. Bony fingers clutched around turn heart. She realized suddenly that she had placed free bottle and the grave leaving no protection for herself Elinor Lord Cultured Noble as. He pulled her heart out of her body. One soul saved another release a new prize for the core key. West has a significant Bahamian population. This demographic includes both descendants of black slaves and conches white people whose British loyalist ancestors has fled the American revolution but the term eventually grew to refer to any residents of the Florida keys while the spiritual practice of new is most most closely associated with Haiti practitioners of the traditions. Spread throughout the Caribbean including the Bahamas and Key West Medi adherence of Voodoo to believe in the idea of the bow core a sorcerer who uses his ties to the spirits or law to work magic. One of Boko is most most sinister powers was the ability to bind the dead to his will creating a Zombie it fell to the womb. Gone to stand against the Occurs Chorus Evil influence protecting both the living and the dead from his manipulation and control the words. Zombie is is believed to be derived from in Zombie. The Congo word for soul the reanimation of the dead for the purpose of enslavement is distinctly. The idea. Many African scholars believed that. Zombie is an intersection between African religious traditions. And the very real fear hear that enslaved people would be forced to continue their servitude even after death but not all threats to the departed. Were supernatural the nature the hurricane that struck the Florida keys in eighteen sixty five did equal harm to the dead as well as the living in the storm. Many of the bodies awaiting burial on the morgue were swept out to see the corpse that remained was buried near the hanging tree by I unknown Bahamian. People they built a wall around the grave and filled the wall with bottles of Holy Water in order to protect the deceased from anymore more disturbances the blessed wall still stands today in Captain Tony Salone integrated into the pumps new billiards room up next. We explore the events surrounding the key. 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Free on spotify or wherever. You get your podcasts now. Back to the story when you enter. Captain Tony Salou blew the first thing. You notice is a giant tree. Extending up through the enclosed courtyard there are bras hanging from the ceiling next to it in nearly every color and size reflecting the spirit of Captain Tony Himself. A lover of both local history and local women but the jubilant spirit of saloons main rule obscures. The trees dark history. There were at least sixteen confirmed executions pirates grits at the hanging tree but pirates. Were not the only one strangled from its branches in spite of the horrors. Committed at this hanging tree only one one spirit would come back the most active ghost and captain. Tony's saloon is known as the lady in blue. Her real name has been lost at time but her crime is unforgettable and in the eighteen ninety s there was only one way to punish a woman who had done something something so awful. Hank wasn't afraid of dead bodies. The Morgan the Ice House one in the same in Key West. He often came with his mother to purchase ice and it never bothered him. The Room was nice. Chilly and the bodies didn't really look people anymore. Embedded in large chunks of frost their skin was stretched and grey their faces impossible to make out in the meager light. They lay perfectly still on the floor the ice house more like wax dummies than former people. If you poke them they just taught like soft rubber. It wasn't that big of a deal now but he was almost eight his mommy but let him hold the ice pick. Sometimes he'd stab at the ice Always careful not to hit body. He liked the way it felt when the ice broke off the sound of it as it fell into his little middle bucket whenever his mom needed ice. He was the very first person to volunteer. Sometimes when he stood on his tiptoes he could see the corpses vacant vacant is. They were all staring up. Hopefully at their souls final destination as it got closer to the Ice House today though he could tell there was something different going on people. Were still talking about dead bodies but there was an excitement midget the air rather than despair. No one was mourning the new arrival they were milling about chattering together as more and more neighbor showed. Oh DOPP packed so tight that he could only see a few feet in front of him. He peered around through the legs of the crowd looking for the corpse. They must talking about. Hank had never actually seen one being moved. He wanted to see if it was rigid or loose like a rag doll or a statue but he was too small. He weaved through the crowd looking for any signs that something has been dragged through this way. He couldn't see any new slabs of ice people. Were still joining the crowd but they weren't heading towards the Ice House. They were heading towards the tree. The hanging tree hank had heard stories about the hanging tree. His mother always told him to stay away from it. It brought nothing but evil into the world. It didn't look evil to him though. There weren't any twisting branches or gnarled roots. The leaves are all a shiny in green. Almost looked happy when he told his mother. She laughed darkly and said the Kinda smiles hide the ugliest sentence. He could see the braided rope now. His stomach churned. He didn't WanNa Watch evil. Take root here. He wasn't ready for that. His mom was still back at home. Someone waved to him through the crowd. Joseph a friend of his from school hank wandered over to him. Joseph sub grasped at Hank's arm pulling the sleeve. He was happier that Hank had ever seen that made hank nervous. Maybe Joseph's gap toothed smile mile held something darker to Joseph Drag. Tanked with Massi rushed forward. He wanted them to have a good seat for this hank's voice wobble. Has he asked what this even was. Joseph's is widened almost reaching his bangs. He leaned and closer to Hank and told him to listen up. Because this was the kind of story worth remembering the story of Kirti Wheeler Joseph Began Gertie wheeler sat in the Front Pew at Church every Sunday next to her husband Daniel and two kids artists and Dennis. They always looked pretty as a picture in their white linen. People didn't know that much about Kirti. She had shown up a few two years ago and Daniel had married her almost immediately. Everyone thought they were happy but they'd all been horribly wrong. PAPI Harris had been doing morning chores when she heard someone grunting and groaning. She went to offer a hand and found Gertie wheeler with a shovel. There were two buckets of slop on the ground next to her beside three human heads. Little learn is a peaceful but Denison Daniels were frozen in horror. Poppy quickly realized that the SLOB wasn't slop. It was the hacked up. Bits of the family's bodies. It took all her energy to hold backer screams even so gertie eventually noticed poppy. Happy as if waking from days. Poppy took off running with Gertie at her heels. The shovel raised high overhead. Poppy didn't stop until until she made it back home. Her husband Altos took out a shotgun and shot Gertie and the guy when she dropped the shovel they tied her up word. Spread about what Gertie had done to her kids. They were in small pieces now. Couldn't tell Ernest from Dennis or even Daniel at this point all they had to go on the heads. Joseph wiggled is eyebrows. Hang because he finished his story. Joseph said that the tree was going to be used again soon. Girds body would be swinging in the wind. They couldn't misset nothing. Exciting ever happened here. Thanks stomach churned. He looked down at his own medal. Pocket imagining that it was filled with pieces of flesh and guts rather than waiting for ice. He shivered those poor kids. Ernest was almost tanks age. He couldn't imagine his own mother cutting away at his body until there was nothing left but ahead. Joseph slapped the shoulder making hank jump. Joseph reminded his friend. That Gertz hanging would start soon. He wouldn't WanNa miss this. Hank not not swallowing his discomfort. The crowd quieted down around them. Thanking Joseph took their seats on a half wall feet dangling over the edge. Hang cringes neck for look at the killer. He saw the men I there's is a group of them surrounding someone but the figure was so small that it was impossible to see only when they began to drag her towards the swinging news. Did you get a lock. Her hair was wild and greasy sticking out in every direction her dress may have been blue but now how it was covered in splotches dirt grime and something else. She didn't scream like Joseph thought she would instead ed she was smiling the same smiles. She gave people at Church warm harmless but it didn't look the same when there was blood at the edges of her lips. Gertie didn't say a word as the men pulled her to the tree. Hank thank was started to get angry. This woman had killed someone almost his age her own sons. She done that to her own family and left them out for scavengers. Here's like scraps from dinner. And now she didn't cry. She didn't scream she just stood there smiling smiling. The men put the noose around her neck. Hang Baldur's fists. Maybe some people didn't deserve to be hanged here but this woman did she done horrible things when her body was placed on the Ice Block. He wouldn't try to miss the corpse as he got advice. She waved to the crowd. Hank wanted to throw dirt at her. Churning stomach was gone there is something thinks stranger working coursing through his Maine's not discussed not on his. It wasn't until they tighten the noose and started to stringer up that hank realized what the feeling was joy. He laughed as they pulled the rope taunt but she didn't die like she was supposed to instead her feet flail toes desperately straining for support from the ground. Her hands reached up for her throat. She pulled her neck away from the rope. Taking Long. gasps breath Joseph Nudge tank tank. He whispered that sometimes it took as much as three weeks for someone to die if the fault didn't kill them his grandma had seen it once Hank didn't have three weeks to wait. He wanted to happened. The woman started to these fingers turning bright. Read the effort to holding yourself. She lost her grip and fell back into the news. A wrenching choking sound came out of her throat like she wasn't even human anymore. Thanks sat on the edge of his seat Gerdes movements slowed the energy and the crowd was dwindling. Hang couldn't take his eyes off her. He watched every tremor she made every flavor nostrils L. says. She tried to move some air through her crushed windpipe people started to step away. Even Joseph was getting bored kicking rocks walks in the ground rather than watching the woman suffer. Hank state passed his dinner time. The Sun was swallowed by darkness. But he didn't dare air move he needed to see this Gertie. Gabe one desperate pushover energy trying to swing forward. Maybe she was hoping it would break her neck. A wet gurgle cut through the crickets of the quickly approaching night. Her face flushed red then. Blue as the very air refused to help her hank laughed. He kept his eyes on her. As the last of the lamps went out then listened in the darkness for the swing of the rope and the RASP her breath. It would be hours before she expired. He wanted to be there for every second of it. We don't know the name of the so called lady in blue who haunts Captain Tony's saloon. But she's the bars most active ghost by far both patrons patrons and employees have reported seeing Blue Blur moving through the enclosed courtyard and some have even claimed to photograph her but nothing conclusive has emerged. The legend goes that the lady in blue killed her husband and two sons sometime during the late nineteenth at century she chopped them into pieces and left the Gore the yard supposedly to feed the animals. The people of Key West were so disturbed disturbed at the site of the carnage that they marched her straight to the hanging tree. She was hanged in the blood stained blue dress. She'd murdered her our family in but she did not die so easily. It is said that the initial drop of the rope did not break her neck so she he was suffocated by the weight of her own body for two days. Giving a whole new meaning to lady in blue coming up a patron stays past closing time in order to chat up the owner about about a century past closing now back to the story key. West has changed profoundly fondly since the turn of the twentieth century now known for its unique Bohemian atmosphere and LGBTQ and kink friendly festivals. The the Ice House and more became a cigar factory then Bordello and was eventually converted to a saloon call. The Duval Club in the nineteen forties. The Duval Club was the beginning of a long association with Queer Culture for Captain. Tony's Morgan Bird. The owner of the club held parties please to provide the opportunity for male patrons to mingle with sailors from the nearby. US Navy outpost bird was eventually shut down when the navy placed is the bar off limits previously the building it operated as a speakeasy under several owners during prohibition eventually becoming sloppy. Joe's bar in Nineteen thirty-three Ernest. Hemingway Truman Capote and Tennessee. Williams were often seen at sloppy Joe's when they were on the island in one thousand nine hundred thirty eight captain. Tony Tara. Sinoe a bootlegger turned charter boat. Captain purchased the building transforming it into captain. Tony's saloon loon captain. Tony is something of a local legend in Key West. A larger than life figure. He was a gun runner for Cuban mercenaries during the Bay of Pigs invasion Asian and became the subject of local gossip for as many public romances. The current owner of captain. Tony's saloon is comfortable telling tales of the supernatural happenings. His patrons have experienced as well as legends in the saloons history particularly his colorful predecessor. essar yet he still identifies as a skeptic but even he has a story he can't explain Julian working late and late at a bar just ended up being early for the following day. His eyes were exhausted at his head. Baked the numbers. He was trying to reconcile whereas swimming in front of him. It was probably a good idea to turn it. So he packed up the receipts informs time cards and supply orders and prepared to go up the hatch as this regulus like to say his predecessor. The eponymous Captain Tony. Tony had maintained a small residence above the bar in case he one of his girlfriends. Wherever in need of some privacy the small loft was only available abol through a ship style hatch in the ceiling at the back of the bar and since Julian took over the bar it had become a safe place for storing the saloons? More sensitive papers neighbors Jillian closed binder and looked up. He loved the Bar was loud but in the quite hours of the near morning the lack of windows aside from the French doors was distressing. The cavernous base felt empty. Ominously so this. Despite the evidence of Bacchanal the lingerie covered ceiling the dollar bills and business cards covering the ceiling. Beams the fully stocked bar. There was no solace in the silence. He heard a voice behind him calling his name. Jillian cocked OPTUS head. That was strange. It was coming from outside. He figured it might be some reveller saying a quick. Hello before continuing going on with their walk of shame slash triumph but no. It was coming from the back of the bar. The Lot behind find the saloon was fenced but he figured it was worth checking anyway. It was lucky he did. The back door was wide open. Swinging in the breeze as the palm trees lining greenstreet bent and shook there had been no wind the moment before he was sure of that it still. He shook his head telling himself he really needed to start sleeping. More may be finally learning work life Balance Ah. He stepped out into the dark courtyard. The wind seemed to disappear as soon as his foot crossed the threshold but clawlike shadows of the poems. uh-huh arched above him. All still. There was no one out there so he turned back for the building. The wind picked dope again. Julian pulled the door shut and locked. It then turned back towards the bar. Nothing looked out of place but checking the front door seemed like a good idea. The windowed French doors at the front were locked tight. He checked the closets and cabinets. Still Oh fighting paranoia. When he satisfied himself he looked to the last section the bathrooms the men's bathroom was empty and spotless us? The new kid was a real go getter. The women's bathroom was a different story. P tells were everywhere lying on the floor like damp patches of half melted snow annoyed Jillian made sure the stalls were empty then collected everything in a garbage bag. The the hairs on the back of his neck stood up. There was someone behind him which didn't make sense because his back was to the Interior Wall. The bathroom been empty. He was sure of it but he was sure there was someone there to waiting floating in his blind spot is burning into the back of his head. He took a deep breath and turned. There was nothing there. Nothing solid anyway. If you asked him he would have sworn that this was the truth but it is census had told him a blue blur had passed through the wall as he can. He put the papers away took out the trash locked the doors again and headed home trying not to notice that the wind just seemed to be pushing him further and further away from the bar as nothing happened the next night and the eerie memory faded with time. He got more comfortable comfortable in the bar at night and even tease the waitresses when they refused to go in the billiards room by themselves. So what if it used to be a graveyard. They had a hanging tree at the center of the bar. So Julian wasn't particularly unnerved when he heard the voice call him by name again on a very similar night after closing when he was supposed to be entirely alone he did his best to ignore his heart rate as he checked that the doors were locked. Worked then he packed up to go. Don't leave the voice pleaded. No that was ridiculous. He told himself he didn't hear anything. Julian went for the door. The win picked up. Don't leave the voice. Said Julianne shook his head ridiculous. The back door to the fence courtyard blew. Open the locked back door. Julian stomped over to it Yongqing at shot and mocking tight. He turned back to the bar and to the tree but hanging tree tree. There was a woman there. Her address was a pale blue and her face was dark navy almost almost purple swollen distorted. But still she was smiling. Jillian step back involuntarily. The voice still came from behind him. Don't leave ghost in front and ghost behind and Julian felt fighter flight kick in but he was still moving a slowest molasses edging carefully carefully way towards the front door. The blue woman didn't seem to be watching him only smiling vacantly into the distance. He edged faster Mr all the way to the door and out into the street. The hanged woman's horrible face never left his mind for the whole drive home somehow he didn't. It didn't cost a car accident as soon as he got through the door. He threw himself into bed and tried to forget his his cell rang at six. Am is I snapped open wondering suddenly if the voice had been some kind of warning what if there have been some kind of fire at the bar lar- he'd been so tired last night. He stared at the caller. Id it was his bar back. Who often came in early to do the PREP before heading down to the beach for an hour or two before they opened Jillian told himself it was just property sure? It was his livelihood in one of the oldest buildings on the island island but it was just property. No one would be harmed. If Captain Tony's burned down it was ensured not well enough but not in short. He picked up and felt his heartbreak. A girl had been on Green Street last night wandering around at five. Am I am an hour. After he laughed she called her mother from the depths of despair. Fistful of pills in her hand. Her mother had begged her to tell her where she who was a yellow building. She said under a green awning a girl had killed yourself in front of Captain. Tony's last night great. If Chilean had waited Julian didn't wait but now he listens every night. It just in case for voice. Begging pleading don't leave. Don't leave MHM. There are two significant tombstones inside. Captain Tony's the I belong to Reba Sawyer. Her husband dumped her small tombstone on the sidewalk outside the bar. Shortly after her death in nineteen fifty he discovered she'd been meeting up with her married lover at Captain Tony's for years and decided she should stay their permanently. The other belongs to one Elvira Edmonds who passed away into twenty first eighteen twenty two when she was only nineteen years old she is yet another occupant of the Graveyard order turned billiard room extension. Some researchers say that the bars iconic owner Captain Tony Saraceno fabricated all. The stories is behind the various gravestones but the billiards room. The supposed graveyard is known for its sense of unease and many employees at the Barr refused to spend time in their loan. The voice the owner heard on that fateful night appeared to be benevolent or at least east attempted to be but with so many spirits passing through will bat hold true for the next one. Things can get pretty rowdy at captain. Captain Tony's on a Saturday night pay close attention to those drinking beside you. You never know who might drop in or rice. Thanks again for tuning into haunted places. We'll be back on Thursday with a new episode for more information on Captain Tony Salou Salou amongst the many sources we used. We found Leslie Rules Book Coast to Coast Ghosts. True stories of haunting across America extremely helpful to Ktar Research. You can find more episodes of haunted places and all other parkhouse originals for free on spotify spotify. 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The game show where kids cues between the clear and concordant truth. And the rattling cracked soundboard of lies. I'm your host Deborah gold scene. And in the studio is our dynamic sound engineer robots, Lisa, which stands for live in studio audience. I'm very dynamic you are. But today, I'm feeling sluggish. I'm sorry to hear that. What's the matter? I have some slugs stuck in my Ogle port. Off all. How did you get slug duck in your Ogle port? Well, put them there for safe keeping. And now I can't get them out put slugs in your Ogle on purpose. Why did you was thinking of adding them to my compost bin to break down all the vegetation? But then I felt bad about putting them to work and thought they might just make good pets, but they don't do you think you'll be able to carry on with his show and till we can get you to your engineer to remove the slugs I think I can do it. I just wanna manage your expectations. Okay. Well, we'll all appreciate whatever sounds you're able to provide like the sound of a robot telling us how our game marks. Oh, yeah. I can do that. Oh, yeah. I can do that every week re bring onto grownups. One is an expert oil believe this other one. It makes me get my goat. The job of human child to help us figure out who gets better than again. Today that we are lying about the piano musical instrument in which felt covered hammers operated from a keyboard strike metal strings. Lisa, why don't you tell us about today's contestant are human child? Congestion is a sixth grader who loves the color blue and playing the graph and who has doubled jointed. He from grind welcomed at halftime. Fire? You are double jointed where, where would that be what joints are, are doubled? You're looking at it is not pretty. I mean, I don't mean to say that they're not pretty I'm sure it's beautiful the somebody, but then you do anything special with them. Can you scale buildings or nobody can do this? Oh, gosh, another strange and Dr two founding thumb behind the back of our hand. I don't know how that's humanly possible. Oh my gosh. Eyebrow and do a bow. Maybe not that, but we do want to know more things about you if up, but we're going to do it in a pants on fire way. We're going to play to truce and ally. Okay. What are your three facts? So I have an identical twin sister. I've never broken any bone, yours or other people's mind. Okay. And my favorite national holiday is Star Wars day before I get it. It's like may the fourth with you get it. I see what you did there. Okay. So what do you think about this? She's got a twin. Never broken bone or nerd. Okay. She definitely seems like a nerd. So we're gonna say, yes. That's a good thing around here, by the way, I don't think she has a twin because if she did, I would be able to see the twin twins cannot be more than three feet apart from each other. Everyone knows that. Okay. Okay. So that's your guests. That's why not try hotshot. Okay. Eva, which one of those things is ally. I haven't identical twin sister. That's lie. Yeah. Yeah, I have a sister, and we'll be both are twins but we're not identical. Fraternal. Trick? I wanna be clear. I was right. Okay. So she is a twin and she's, but she's just not a certain kind of twins. I'm still right. Yes, I'm gonna win but not the certain kind. Okay, our first expert is to. Showed new pleasing you healthy. Hi, my name is Lou. I'm piano tuner at the menace of music Manhattan. And I'm also the director of the New York school of piano tuning. And our next expert is Susan, Ehrlich. Susan, he's introduce yourself to. AM Susan Ehrlich. And I am a piano teacher here in the city. I also play a for dance classes at Alvin Ailey. What are, you know, about peons actually used to play piano, you did? And then you gave it up. Yeah. Yeah. Up most of the time I just ended up singing. So you are familiar with the piano. Yes. Yes. Okay. Would you say that you are an expert now? I don't know. But maybe you know, enough to tell if somebody's lying, maybe, maybe. I see. Is that found a Johann Sebastian bought? He's lisa. That sound, oh Lisa. And it means it is hot tea time. That is correct. That's when we put our experts on the hot seat while they answer questions Lisa who should put on the hot seat without a doubt blue tar shooting. I love saying toss, you toss who'd. Showed what oh the, the lady goes, I? Goes I Susan. Definitely. Okay, ika. What's your first question for Susan? How many keys are on Pia? No, the current piano has eight keys but the original piano started way way back in the day, and they only had fifty eight so they added to those over time, mainly because composers like Mozart and Beethoven, we're like, we want more keys and Beethoven especially loved going low and Muto loved going high. So that's how they ended up expanded to eight. Just started. They only had one key. His. Correct. Drum. Nice okay, Lou. How does a piano work appear, no works by throwing a hammer up at a string kind of like the opposite of playing Tempe, which is throwing felt mallet down at at the drum. Okay. I don't know what a Tiffany is. Oh, I'm sorry, a drum drama and orchestra. Okay. So you're saying you've to make a panel. You take a hammer and you throw it at a string. Felt hammer. Yeah. Like like while I say, like Tiffany, stick, Lil is the piano, percussion or string instrument. It's both. It's categorized as a struck quarter phone, a quarter phone is like a liar. Like a harp. Oh. And in this case it struck. So it's percussive of season. What does the word piano mean, piano comes from piano forte, which is actually the dynamics of PNO soft and loud. It was piano was created by Bartow LeMay. Oh, christopher. Italian. I probably butchered his name that yet, he created based off of the clavichord means soft and harpsichord into out, and that's the name again, it was originally, piano forte. But they ended up shortening it to piano over time. Yeah. Accurate your forte. I think it did get flipped to forte piano, and some era. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was piano. Forte forte piano, piano. Some people Pedo. Live. Did you have to learn to play the piano to do your job already knew how to play the piano? I've been playing the piano since I was four years old. Does your job involve playing piano, just absolutely, especially when I'm done? And does everybody who tunes pianos know how to play piano, is that a requirement for the job guys that sadly not? But I tell my students if you don't know how to play the piano, piano tuner start taking lessons. Okay. What inspired you do? Your job. Oh, I grew up playing piano. And I was I also grew up in a machine shop. My dad was in aerospace, and so I was very mechanically inclined. So I dad was a machine. So, you know, it's pretty natural for me to take a screwdriver to the thing and starting fixing it at a pretty young age this another one blue. Why string tension important on a piano? Oh, that's a great question. If string tension determines the pitch. That's what a pianist tuner does he changes the tension? And if the tension is adjusted so that the string vibrates four hundred and forty times a second. We call that a and if the tension is made a little higher. It vibrate higher. And we call that a sharp lower. We call it a flat make sense. Now. Well, okay. Think of a rubber band, okay? Thinking of it got one if you pull the rubber band real tight and you plug it you hear. No. But if you relaxed the rubber band, so that you plug it, you hear nothing. It doesn't it, it vibrates like back and forth, and that's it. You don't hear anything that makes sense kind of shoes. No whatever band is have you ever seen a rubber band? Yeah. I put some of my hair. Yeah. If you pull it really hard, does it make a slightly different noise than if it's loose kind of good. So that's the tuning, right? And also depends on how thin the brand. Oh, right. So are all the strings the thinner noise, the Finnur the lower the now higher pitched. The noise is absolutely right. Because tension is not the only thing that affects pitch the length of the string effects pitch. That's why concert grants are night for long because they have long bay strings for the lower note. Good observation season. What inspired you to do? I started playing when I was five love love love. Parents go upright piano, but it didn't have enough reach to become a concert pianist, my hands. So I ended up playing for dance classes, and that sort of thing and a dance teacher from Brooklyn, visiting my town and said, hey, why don't you come and so, so news to New York start playing for dance classes, and I noticed that the kids were watching their sisters would come over and hang out by my Pano, and they would wanna play in. So I started teaching piano on the side. Lou what would be your extreme opportunity for the tell you the truth. Living my dream. Kind of sappy. This question for both of you, Susan though. I tell me a funny story that happened at your job. Well, since I work with little kids, I actually start with having them, not play the piano. I have a piece of paper that has the keys on it. And we color each key in this is so that it's an unconventional ways that they can learn okay? The a is read the B is orange, and we do it based off of the rainbow. And then that way, when they get in front of a piano to start to connect the colors to two keys. And so I have like I said, I usually do the colors of the rainbow and one little girl. She's like this is like a unicorn piano, when it was. I'm like, totally unicorn piano. It was really, really fun. That, that. I don't know. I just I love the imagination of kids forty story that happened to my job. I was once tuning piano in a barn. But is that where you keep Panos raising them? Barn was tuning piano in a barn fly because it was at the tanglewood music festival, which is the summer home of the Boston symphony and they take one hundred twenty five pianos and they put them in Barnes and camps and cottages all over lenox, Massachusetts for the summer festival, and people play them and have concerts in Barnes and practice everywhere. It's like a heightened go seek thing there was this bird, that was dive bombing me. While our. Really upset with the fact that I was there. And well, guess what? The bird did know learn to play concerto. Bird landed on my head. And still wants make a nested if your hair is your hair messy. Was it long flowing? That was what was important. On your head, and then what? And then eventually went away just froze stood there. And we're somebody had a camera, but nobody so we can't take care. That's why they have cameras in peon. Here at jen's e we know that a lot of our show is, are aimed at older kids, so we wanted to let you know about a new show. We did based on the PBS television series. Molly of Denali, we teamed up with PBS kids and WG be h to bring you an Alaskan adventure perfect for younger fans. Subscribe now at apple podcasts or wherever you like to listen. It's time for the short on fire round when our experts have to answer as many questions as they can before time runs out Eefja. Let's start with Lou ask your shorts on fire questions. Now, what does the term to the surface, the piano, strings vibrate? What does it sound board? How old was the old channel you've ever eighteen twelve do pianos, he more or less to get or eventually? They can't be tuned at all. How many strings candidates make full range of two hundred fifty strings on a panel. Do you need to have a perfect pet to be piano? Tuner named three piano manufacturers style Hongkou. What does the barb last pedal? That's the gas pedal, piano, go. It does different things on different channels. There's such thing as the pan. Hooting. Prodigy prodigy. No. Oh, time is up. We're gonna look back at this time and say that was the time when there was no more time that is true one day. We will do that day. We'll be in our old grey hairs, and say that and say those things can you please reset your timer? No problem at all. I really appear we go. It's reset excellent. Epa you ready to do shorts on fire for Susan? Okay. Do your short on fire questions for Susan? Now let's time signature is three four. What does it mean to play, mezzo, piano? I mean to play a little louder than soft medium. Soft pluck your favorite pieces, piano, music. I love Beethoven's. Lisa. What is it? Coda coda me, it's fine. And a piece of news, which means to go either back to the beginning or go back to secure sign within the music. It's like a repeat could begin Pano always saying one less and the head of the student. I wouldn't recommend. Cord in which third is omitted is known as what a fifth. How do you get to Carnegie Hall practice practice practice? Time like that one music piece of fort Lisa. It was a lease. I don't think it was. Thank you, who it was that Mozart who wrote? Yeah. Love that guy. Decision time now are contested EPA must tell us who is the travel maker. Who is the liar, liar pants on fire? Lou. You think Lewis Aligarh, why do you think is our liar because he couldn't really give much specific details. Okay. Have your answer is the correct one. We're about to find out will the actual piano expert. Please let us know who you are. I. That's right. Lou to show is a piano, tutor music, and director of the New York school with piano tuning typical, right. Yeah. They both sounded to me. I thought, okay, it's time to do some fact checking Lou were there facts that Susan shared that put a damper on our game. No. The only fact she got wrong was about the coda, which is an ending tacked on instead of going back to the beginning or the middle. That's a musical error there. Thank you very much. And what about you anything that you said that was less than upright? Eva asked in the beginning. How many as there are two PM, and while I did say they're eighty eight also put a fifth in there and said that some of the original piano, had fifty eight original one. The second thing was actually, again, my teaching method, which is having a child dry out, the piano, while I think that's fun. And I think it might be based on a Christopher guest idea. I never I never learned that way most kids when they're two or three. If there's a piano in the house, they want to plunk those keys. So that's again, just a little unconventional idea that I threw in there is plunk of musical term. I- plunk out notes. Those cues. Excellent. Well on that note, that's all the time that we have. Thank you to our contestant e who is an interrogation virtuoso. Thank you to our expert in liar. Lou and Susan and to our pianist playing sound generating posting. And of course, many things to our listeners tuning into pants on fire where hammer out the truth scale back live production of jen's e Nydia, great shows visit best robot ever dot com. While you're there, you can send questions from Lisa and you could participate also follow us on social media pants on fire cast for behind the scenes photos of mortar stores. In the meantime, keep running songs like that once on that guy. Dovid rose four lease. Go get those plugs out now. Best robot ever dot com.
Case #50 Carl Tanzler
"They just had a lovely SIP. My water me too. I've got a nice glass here. it's the. I like warm. Nice Day today it really. I was working outside before we started doing this out. Freezing inside well you see. I'm basically working outside as it is because of the windows are open. Of course they are and it's wonderful a nice. There's a squirrel in our byrd bath. What there's a squirrel in the Byrd Bath and his jack the Squirrel. Now this is Roxanne Roxanne. Yeah she's a fatty so he knows where all the goods are us. I love it. She thick this is. What happens when you've been in quarantine for too long? You become friends with the squirrels and you make up with them. What Day is for you? I guess technically it's eight. My Gosh I know it's rough. Let's see rough going back. I think for me. This is eleven. Oh this eleven nope twelve. Oh you've been doing a lot longer than me. Yes yes I have. You're handling it much better than I. I'm trying really really hard. I don't think anybody's actually handling it just like living yeah. I think you're probably right sad to say but it's true. Speaking of going mad. I guess we can hop into day story about this nothing about it but I'm excited. I read the little description. Oh you're welcome. I came up with that on the fly. I love it all right. Let's jump in. Let's do it okay. Here'S THE DEAL. I don't know what's in the water in Florida. But they have a ton of crazy stories attached to their name like the time. A woman farted in line at a store and then stabbed a man who complained about it and yeah. That's actually a real thing. Though it's a is it is anyways but I think today we're talking about probably the number one most insane thing that's ever happened in Florida or at least that I've ever heard in my life okay. I'm ready so let's start from the beginning. Carlton's are sometimes count. Karl von Kozel was a German born radiology technologist at the Marine Hospital Service and Key West Florida at the age of forty three while still in Germany. He married a young woman with whom he had two children. They later immigrated to America in the mid nineteen twenties and changed their last name to von coastal in the process. From what I can gather. This guy really wanted to be thought of as like a higher status so he made up some stuff. And I'll tell you that. So listen here Keith. Claimed to be a submarine captain and World War One and accomplished inventor and that he held nine degrees all of these were later thought to be huge embellishments on his part. I honestly just guessed. He needed an ego boost. I don't really know what the heck like those are the craziest ego boosting comments. I've ever heard I know even the last name. Von Coastal is like aristocratic in the German world. I guess like why though who knows anyway fast forward the family is in Zephyr Hills Florida and they weren't there for long when Carl decided. Listen this has been great fam- but I'm really not a FAM- type guy. And then he just abandoned him. Oh my gosh why Zephyr hills by in nineteen twenty seven. He accepted a position as a radiological tack with the US. Marine hospital in Key West. As I said before. His Co workers described him as a kind shy eccentric but apparently he just needed true. Loved break out of his Shell because on April Twenty second of Nineteen Thirty Twenty Year Old Cuban Immigrant Maria Elena Milagro de was admitted to the regular basis ward. Oh my goodness what am I to start a love story. I mean Romeo and Juliet right there. So Carl Man Carl. He believed this was a meeting of two souls. His twin flame his one in a million but to obstacle stood in the way of their love. My friends I Elena a beauty with raven black hair in which she often wore arose was utterly unaware of the doctors infatuation 's and second she was unfortunately dying of two regular basis but these are all small potatoes right like no big deal. No big deal. We can jump over. The turtles unable to bear the thought of losing the love of his life. Carl dedicated every waking moment to finding a miracle cure ignoring hospital procedure. He administered homemade tonics and medicines to Elena and even made house calls at the Royal Family Home Attempting to cure her with electrical equipment of his own. Devising does his best efforts Elena succumbed to the illness on October. Twenty Fifth Nineteen thirty one at the age of twenty one. That's really sad. Yeah such a short life but listen Karl. He was devastated. Obviously and he paid for the remains to be placed in this huge stone mausoleum at the key. West cemetery and without fail the doctor visited Alana's gravesite every day for two years. Her family saw his grief as that of a dedicated physician destroyed by his inability to save her. But can we just say I would still have thought that was weird Yeah I was just thinking like. He didn't even know her. He didn't know her like she didn't know he was bat in love with her. No is her family's like yeah. This seems normal to have this guy show up every day for two years. Yeah right totally just like a standard day. That sounds weird but listen. Karl didn't just simply lay flowers at the tube doorstep and Weep Nana no no. He had a key in fact the only key and would enter undercover of darkness to spend time with the corpse of his beloved. Okay no like I thought it was weird for you said that and now it's like whole nother dimension. Type Weird. Listen it's about to get much rarer know about the Greek out no so two years like I said two years after Alana's death Carl's nightly visits to the mausoleum abruptly stopped. The holiest family found this odd considering his apparent dedication to the memory of their daughter but they were also happy he was finally moving on. He was seen in town buying women's clothing jewelry and perfume at the local shops. His neighbors from reported seeing two shadowy figures. Dancing in the doctor's foyer. It seemed that Carl had a new honey in his life. Okay but looks can be deceiving. We all know this. Oh Yeah but before we get all excited that car all got that proverbial right swipe in October of Nineteen Forty Elena sister decided to pay Carl visit and discovered the identity of the doctors mysterious Levin dressed the corpse of her long dead sister. No no it's not yes. No as it was and like any sane person. My girl ran out of there and she alerted authorities. Who then found out that Mr Carl had stolen Alana's body from the cemetery and had been living with it for seven years. Liz Kara okay. I don't even know like what the feasibility of this is. How is her corpse? Still like thing like how is it still together at this point? And I'm about to get all that I literally can't function now. This episode is over. That's horrible I know. Just wait. Oh I don't know if I can take any more surprises. I'll get to the logistics here shortly but okay laid on me. I guess let's back up a little bit okay. Okay in Nineteen thirty three. The doctor had removed lane corpse from the mausoleum and transported it via a toy wagon to a makeshift laboratory. He had built inside an old airplane. Liz I mean I can't do anything but laugh at this point. It just sounds fake. It's all real. That's that's what know. Oh my gosh there are people like this in the world right now I know. And here's the thing that I feel like. We've never talked about on this but we probably should for the most part when we're laughing especially in things that are as terrible as this. It's mostly out of nervousness Ono Clinton. We're not trying to be in consideration the wearing diety s reactions to things. I'm glad you said that. Just want people to be aware so anyways back to this makeshift Dexter Laboratory. Right my car. Yes there. He resurrected his loss. Love with the help of paper. Mcshea and morticians wax and rags. Gosh I feel like I might be sick. I know you've been placed. Glass is in her empty sockets an end the wires into her limbs so that he could easily manipulate her posture. In y'all if you WANNA know this next part skip ahead ten seconds. Because even when I saw it I was like. Oh God but upon closer inspection. Investigators found a carefully placed cardboard tube in a lane as genital region. The use of which is best to not think about moving on moving on far away from that so as the years went by Carl's postmortem bride continued to decay. But the doctor. Smart man he is devised an array of methods to subvert this natural process for example he doused Elaine's body oils and disinfectants to mask the smell of rotting flesh in replaced her. Now Bear Scalp with human hair like he fashioned a wig. Basically this this is maybe I story I've ever heard Oud so by the time Elena sister actually arrived for that fateful visit. The corpse looked nothing. More than a life-size paper mcshea and or wax doll. Okay sled answers my question. Yeah so earlier Liz. I just need you to take a minute to look at this picture. Oh Kara to find that. It's all over the Internet real. Oh this is the APP. This is how they found her. Oh my God. She looks rang. I know is. She doesn't look real like her ear. Lobe is basically missing so attached to her face which is just it. Looks like I mean it's like not even describable how terrible this face looks. I mean it just looks horrifying. That's all I can say I mean. Yeah and that WIG IT. Yeah it doesn't it. Looks like Karl literally just sat a to pay on top of this corpse. Yeah he done her dirt out one. Yeah this is not good. This is not good. Yeah so photos of what she looked like before. Yes and you can find all of those at our website. Www DOT farside chats dot com. Okay well like I need to see what she looked before. Oh my gosh girl. This is sickening. Oh Okay so. She was gorgeous. Yeah it looks nothing like the corpse bride not exactly. Oh My Gosh. It just got worse. Okay yeah I know. I'm ready to hear the rest of this horrifyingly stomach-turning story so Elena sister went on to tell police. People new cat was out of the bag. That Carl was a Weirdo. Okay yeah way out the bag way out of the bag. So then. Carl appeared in court on October. Ninth Nineteen Forty four quote wantonly and maliciously destroying a grave and removing a body without authorization in quote but the charges were eventually dismissed because and get this the statute of limitations had expired. Shut your mouth right now. What that does not have a statue of limitations. I'm sorry he still had the body. That's like yeah exactly case closed the gavel down Puno annoying. Let's so annoyed. Rate why people get away with it statute of limitations where Florida Oh anyways. So while he was being questioned during the hearing Karl revealed his plans to finish the airship. That would you remember the airship laboratory? Yes dexterous laboratory definitely so apparently. This airship was supposed to transport. Elena's body high into the stratosphere so that radiation from outer space could penetrate Elena tissues and restore life to her somnolent form. Okay but like What I know. Where did he get this idea? You know I genuinely couldn't find where he got this idea but somewhere along his researching this miracle cure bring her back to life. You know for death He he just got onto this radiation thing and he thought like if she could go out into outer space there would be radiation and it would just make her alive again. Oh my God I mean this is like proof number one point that he's insane and if nothing else told you that he was not right in the head. This puts the icing on the cake. I shoot my question is so okay. Say this plan works out. He gets her out to outer space. Was He on the airplane on the AIRSHIP housing getting back? These are the real questions. What does he is? He is on the airship. What's easing food housing breathing? And like is this airship intended to be made for space like? Was it a down with like it was just an airplane. Yeah it is just an airplane. In fact there's a picture of it on our website so okay so that was not wealth on out now. Well thought out. I mean if you're GONNA have a stupid plan like that at least thinking it through I mean really like is this airship like a boomerang will come right back. I don't understand question though questions Carl I feel like no one asked no one asked but they should have also like. I'm wondering where we're his colleagues like did they know put on this see. How did he act to them? I generally don't know because I've I've pretty sure he was still working on all the time. Like I don't know I. It never said anything about his co workers not noticing any difference in him. They weren't like you'll Carl. You seem like so much happier. Have you met someone like Yo Carl? You smell like a dead body also as well. But I guess he had all his oils. Even that wouldn't have covered it up thou ch- I wouldn't think so I like I know what a dead body smells like but still I was going to say the exact same thing in the shot. I really don't know so I've heard it's pretty pungent Mrs Though. I Dunno okay. Here's where it Kinda gets strange again again again. But like not from him okay. So obviously the case turned into a media circus and weirdly. The general public was like very sympathetic towards him. Oh my gosh. Yes so instead of acting like he was a depraved NECROPHILIAC which he was him yeah. They saw him as like a lonely sad romantic story. Worrying about the freaking town he was in. Yeah I'm mostly worrying about all of Florida at this point. Yeah this isn't right so I've found this quo- quote I think the most fascinating reaction to this. Strangest of the strange story was the overwhelming public support for count von Coastal so. This is a quote from Ben Harrison. Who was the author of undying love? Which is a book about Karl Molina's quote unquote last story which was adapted into a musical. Oh My Gosh. No it wasn't. This is awful it just it really does get worse blake. There's no good to this No none I see no justice at the end of life well except for this next part. Okay writ sort of kind of justice so after the frenzy of the court case Elaine Corpse was transported back to key West cemetery but not before was not before. Carl asked that it be returned to him. What yeah the request was thankfully denied and her remains were hidden in an eighteen inch casket buried in a secret spot to keep anyone from disturbing them again. Gosh poor girl. I know she finally got some sort of peace corps sort of. Yeah but then Carl later constructed. A LIFE-SIZE EFFIGY AROUND. Alana's death mask and lived with it until he died on July third nineteen fifty. Two people don't know into stop Mariah right exactly. I don't have any words for that. Same I don't know it's all I can tell you well. That was a story that I was not prepared for. I know and I think we can all take something very valuable away from this in which I think we should just not drink the water in Florida. I one hundred percent agree with that. No question. Yeah because it's not like he was fine in Germany and then he moved to Florida. That's when he hallway. When was he making all that stuff about himself? He didn't really start making it up till he got to Florida. Okay so definitely it was. Yeah that's true people. Do do a Weirdo. I mean we. They all knew like banished from Germany. About one rat with this is like a doll's house. All as-as lack nate in that movie. So we're pretty sure that MEATLOAF had it right when he said I would do anything for love. But I won't do that. We're pretty sure this is what he was talking about. As always if you need more information check out our website for pictures and our resources at Farside chats dot com if you WANNA keep up with us during the corona teen follow us on facebook and Instagram at fireside chats. Don't forget if you have a story you want us to cover. Let us know. We are not mind readers although that'd be super cool. Mls At farside chats at gmail.com or direct messages on the social platforms remember. It's a jungle out there. People always remember to make good choices and be aware of your surroundings. We'll catch you again when we're back from the far side Carl Tam's Ler sometimes count. Carl von Was a German born radiology Terminologies with the I'm GonNa make it through in nineteen twenty seven. He accepted a position as a radio. Fagor and even made housecall cool. He doused Lena's body in oils and disinfectants to mask the spill. So always remember to make choices on my God make choices Duh episode complete.
Why This Coronavirus Surge Is Different
"Cases of Corona virus in the US are surging again. The virus is on the rise in about thirds of the country. It's A. Surging in the south and the West Florida reporting nearly nine thousand new cases. It's highest single day to date. Texas I've seen more than five thousand new cases each day in Arizona. Eighty five percent of ICU beds are full Mississippi reporting limited to know ICU capacity. The number of covid nineteen infections has climbed to nearly two and a half million cases, and the US Newest Health Secretary warns time is running out to bring the virus under control on Friday, the country reported its highest ever one day total of new cases. But this spike is different from the one that New York went through in March and April, both in who's getting sick and how healthcare systems are responding. Welcome to the Journal our show about money business. Empower I'm Caitlyn bomb. It's Monday June twenty-ninth. Coming up on the show, the latest covert outbreaks in the US and the new approaches hospitals are taking. Social distancing slows the spread of corona virus, so stay a minimum of six feet away from others and stay home. If you can more info at Corona Virus Dot, Gov, let's all do our part because we're all. Hashtag, alone together brought to you by the Ad Council. Arizona is one of the states where the cases are climbing. The fastest and medical workers around the state are trying to get ready for the influx of patients like Dr. Michael White the chief medical officer of Phoenix Healthcare System called Valley wise health. Job is to plan of my job is to worry and worrying to me right now is the increasing positive cases that we're seeing in there and those that potentially me need hospitalization that are going to overwhelm our resources. That is the one worry I had that we will fill ourselves to capacity, and then beyond our capacity as we go forward. Michael's been worrying about his hospital system being overwhelmed since March when that kind of system overload happened in states like New York and new. Jersey Arizona did have a number of corona virus cases early. and Michael was preparing for a surge, but that's surge didn't come, which seemed to him like a good sign. I was hopeful when we didn't see that big spike. In those March Times that hopefully we were going to be able to. As I, like to say around here, keep it at a slow moderate bird where we would see patients, but we were able to successfully transition them. Through their acute phase, and into a more convalescent phase of their care, without suddenly overwhelming, the resources of the delivery systems, and what was the moment when you realized that that slow moderate burn was starting to change here within our house system. We've noticed a small rise in the number of cases within the last two weeks, so we knew once we started seeing increased number of patients that were testing positive for the novel coronavirus within Phoenix that we were going to start to see more and more positive cases, knowing the exponential spread that we see with the novel coronavirus. Arizona is seeing exponential spread right now, and so are other states around the country places like Texas and Florida. We're seeing both geographic shift and a shift actually who is getting infected, our colleague. Brianna Abbott has been reporting on the latest spikes of Corona virus so early on the spot outbreaks where New York, new, Jersey illiinois now. Those places have done a really good job of slowing down there. Spread cases, hospitalizations and deaths are on the decline, but now we're starting to see the virus sort of surge in states in the south, and in the West what are some of the reasons that cases are rising in those places. One of the major reasons is a lot of the southern states, sort of opened a bit earlier early in May compared to a lot of the places that were really hard hit. Some of them didn't necessarily hit all the criteria that was set out by the public health officials in the White House that you needed to meet lick decline in cases, and so a lot of the estates and early May, and then you see things open. And, people don't necessarily start gathering in large groups of right away. It's not like the first day it was opened everybody's sort of crowded bars and restaurants and spend sort of phased and so a lot of these cases now. Public Health. Experts say that they probably really kicked off around memorial. Day, which is when after a few states that had been reopened for a bit a lot of them, really let down their guard and people started congregating more often, and it's just been sort of going on ever since what are states in the south? Uniquely struggling with that states in the earlier outbreak didn't struggle with. I would say compliance early in the days. You really saw in New York New Jersey Connecticut. Everything's sort of shut down while cases were going up and you saw everybody adapt and sort of internalize those behaviors, but the issue is in somebody's southern states. Everything shut down before cases started speaking and the public health recommendations don't seem like they're sticking as much. You're seeing people not wearing masks, not social distancing. The people who tend to be flouting these public health recommendations, the most our young people, a lot of it that we're seeing is frankly just clusters of younger people, resuming business as usual in sort of congregating and beaches and closely packed bars. The Louisiana Department of Health last week linked more than one hundred cases to a cluster of bars in an area near Louisiana. State University called Tiger land. You can just sort of see the cases coming when you see. Everybody packed in there, not taking the precautions. Young people which states are generally defining as those in their twenties, thirties and up to mid forties have been getting infected at higher rates than in the earlier outbreaks. This personally because of their behavior, going back to work going to crowded spaces like restaurants, but Brianna says there's also another reason that the data show more infections. Testing. We do have a better testing capacity than we did March and April so back in the early days of the pandemic, when we were struggling to even have capacity within a state to get tested only the most severely ill that we're showing up and hospitals could actually get a test, so we likely missed a lot of mild or moderate cases, which happened to skew younger so now that we're testing more. You're going to see that shift a little bit. While there is more testing has the rate of positive tests changed? Yes, so further rate of positive tests. That's something that public health officials us to sort of track disease spread while taking testing into account in so earlier on when we basically weren't testing anybody. The percentage of tests that were coming back positive were really high. It was like forty percent, and so that was a sign that we weren't testing enough, but now that the testing is more widespread if the percentage of positive tests are going up, that means that the disease is spreading, and that's what we're seeing a lot of the estates, so though testing more, the disease is also spreading more. So you spoke with some younger people who became seriously ill with the virus. What were their stories? Yeah, so one of the people that we spoke to was Jimmy Flora's. WHO's thirty and he lives in Phoenix and he on the night of June six went to a nightclub with friends shared drinks. You know didn't wear mask wasn't distancing. He says he thought he was invincible and two days later. He felt sick the next week. He was in the hospital breathing from an oxygen tube after testing positive for covid nineteen and before this. Didn't know anyone with covid. And now he knows fifteen people who have tested positive, and there have been similar stories from parties in Florida with just people going out, and then all of a sudden their entire group just get struck down. What did doctors and public health officials who you spoke with the say about the current outbreak? They said that they were alarmed by what they were seeing. Because now all of a sudden, the average age of someone testing positive for Covid nineteen has dropped, and they're seeing younger people in their twenties and thirties gasping for breath, because they have been hospitalized with this disease after a not necessarily thinking that it was a big deal granted younger people do on average have better outcomes than older people, but younger people also have underlying health conditions. There's also. Also a risk. There's no guarantee that you're protected. Just because you're young and you're fit and your healthy like you're still sort of seen bad consequences, and so they're really concerned about it, not only just four younger people, but how it's spreading in those communities, because not only are young people getting really sick, but they can also pass it on to others who are going to have worse consequences than that once it starts spreading, it just gets harder stop. In states like Florida Texas and Arizona. I see us are now running out of beds and doctors are starting to sound the alarm. After the break how Dr Michael White has been preparing his hospital system in Arizona and what he's learned from earlier outbreaks. Social distancing slows the spread of corona virus. So if you have a fever, dry cough and shortness of breath, call your healthcare provider before going in more info at Corona. Virus Dot Gov let's all do our part because we're all hashtag alone. Brought to you by the Ad Council. Welcome. In Dr Michael White Hospital System in Arizona. They're reaching capacity. Some staff members are having to work new shifts or jobs just to make sure patients are cared for and Michael says he watched the struggles of New York hospitals earlier this year when they had little experience managing the disease, a limited supply of protective gear and minimal testing. They learned a lot on the fly. Those of us that are a little later. Here are really going to be able to take some of those lessons to heart and hopefully learn from their experience. Those lessons from early hit states have helped Michael's hospital system figure out how to best treat cove patients. We've seen the things that they did early. On within the pandemic around the use of ventilators, we understand the early use of ventilators may be detrimental to patients. You know we're learning more about how we can manage folks with oxygen therapy. Some of the team based approaches around how patients are positioned in a prone position laying on their stomach, creating the teams at are just dedicated on helping turn patients, the pruning teams. The hospital also had more time to build special treatment areas for covid patients so that there's a lower risk of the virus being spread around the hospital. We create an additional twenty five areas that can do negative pressure within our hospital. That didn't exist L. before March. We've had the luxury of time to be able to do that. What is the benefit of negative pressure rooms? It really helps us make certain in any of the aerosolize ing procedure so anything that could potentially put droplets in the air, those get immediately sucked out of the room and out into a filters, and then to the outside to reduce the spread of infectious. Correct. It decreases the chance that you could have been spread within the facilities, or you know having it spread directly to actually one of the healthcare workers in can then carry it out somewhere else. And hospitals across Arizona have also had more time to develop systems to transfer patients so that one hospital doesn't get overloaded. This was something that New York City. Hospitals struggled with when cases peak there. We saw it very early on in Arizona. Because of our proximity to the Navajo nation in the northern part of Arizona where their capacity in northern Arizona was quickly overwhelmed, and how we got patients from northern Arizona down into the valley here within Phoenix and how those patients then could be distributed amongst the health systems. Systems here so not one health was being overwhelmed all at once, so that's hospitals working together to manage patient transfers, so not one hospital or hospital system is overburdened correct, and it's become a larger and larger group as this pandemic has progressed Arizona is already seeing a lower mortality rate than states with earlier outbreaks impart because of better treatment and preparedness that came with the more generous timeline. That could still change. Since some public health experts say arise, and deaths could still be coming as a healthcare executive in healthcare leader, certainly stressful to make sure that we able to have the resources available. We WanNA. Make sure we have everything in place to be able to care for whoever walks in the door and be ready for that again. We just don't want to be overwhelmed all at once. When that happened here in New York and the hospitals got taxed, there was one tool that we had because there's no vaccine was. Shut it down. Social distancing now that cases are climbing in Arizona again. Do you think the state should consider shutting down again? I think we need to do our best to understand. The best way to handle. This is what we did in in March, is we did stay at home for while and we saw the cases. Go down I recognize that everybody is maybe a little taxed in a little tired from having to do this early on, but we know that works around that. Unfortunately, you're right. We don't have a lot of other strategies without vaccination or other known therapies to really cure the virus to do that. Some of the states experiencing spikes are taking steps to shut back down. Florida ordered its bars which had reopened to close again. In south Florida counties are closing beaches for the July fourth weekend. Texas also ordered its bars to close and Governor Greg Abbott said Sunday. The virus has taken quote a very swift and very dangerous turn. That's all for today Monday. June twenty-ninth. The Journal is a CO production of Gimblett and the Wall Street Journal do you like our show. Follow us on spotify or wherever you get your podcast. We come out every weekday afternoon. Thanks for listening see ITAMARA.
Short Stuff: The Conch Republic
"Hey welcome to short stuff. I'm Josh. There's chuck there's Josh. Let's go key. West Florida dateline. Eight line Southern most point of the United States Smuggler's island. That's what it's called sometimes. Yeah because Key West obviously just the location itself GonNa he's GonNa lend itself to smuggling smuggling stuff in from other places by boat and I mean it has like it's it was a pirate haven for a very long time but apparently the the local population really took to that and just kept it up but like over time with their smuggling just kind of changed and at this point in question this point in history that we're going to kind of dive into right now it had become marijuana and cocaine those were what was being smuggled through through Key West the glorious eighties keys of cocaine in key west shortest shorts. You've ever seen oh I imagine so so. These drugs are coming in through South America through Cuba and then obviously from there. It's A. It's a quick ninety miles to get to key west. There's a report from the UPI nineteen eighty-three the quote crews on fishing boats brazenly unloaded bales of marijuana highschool. utes made big money driving the contraband. One hundred fifteen mind mine. Miles northward to Miami drug dealers have lavish champagne parties at pier. House the posh Waterfront Hotel so these kids were driving this stuff up in to sit in the back of their pickup trucks. Well yeah around the island in particular. I think when they left the driver to Miami they are a little cooler but it was a tarp overly wide open in key the US to the time like the local law enforcement the local like city government. Everybody seemed to either be it directly involved in smuggling or turning a blind eye to it probably because they're getting kickbacks or whatever. was there a fire station. That was shut down. Yeah because so. Many firefighters were busted for marijuana smuggling wow that they had to shut the thing down in one of the fire. Chiefs was actually put in prison for amazing so by the by nineteen eighty two at the latest eight us if not earlier the Reagan administration said this totally contradicts. What Nancy saying? We're going to do something about this. And they set up the a South Florida Task Force against crime which doesn't really create any kind of good acronym found a little S. T. F.. You you gotTa have AC fouls in there. Yeah come on Ronnie right so by nine hundred eighty two he Well not he Ronnie alone After he named the organization to the intercepted two billion dollars in drugs. Coming through South Florida in just nineteen eighty-two alone. Imagine how much they missed. Oh sure you know yeah so. They were really cracking down. They also like basically took over the city. Government Investigated the police like. They really really went into Key West and the keys in general and said we were cleaning this place up and that was two billion street value right but that always crack me up. That's the used to always say that. Yeah I think they kind of inflate that to make the manufactured suggested retail price Ms Rpm so one of the things they did On this tax task force was set up a border patrol checkpoint and between the beginning of the Florida keys off the mainland of Florida. So they would set it up between McKee's in the mainland Florida city. Yeah just Right there at Florida city on highway one just south of that and basically effectively. What they did was shut off key west from the rest of the United States they raise the only way in and out they raised the border up above the keys and basically made the keys? He's like another country ostensibly. That's exactly what happened and the keys did not like this very much. We take a break. Oh okay sure Chuck kitchen guys. 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Okay Chuck the Border Patrol is now basically doing drug searches because they were saying ostensibly. We have this row block to keep migrants from coming through illegally. Yeah that was sort of their how they dressed it up right right believe aliens. But they were looking looking for migrants according to I think Florida History Dot Org. They were looking for migrants in the glove compartment under the seat of the car or something like that so really it was part of this drug crackdown and I mean that was bad enough that they were masquerading. You know one thing for another but the effect that it was having was really negative on on the keys in general and key West in particular. Yeah I mean they. They rely a lot on tourism You couldn't get enter out. There was a seventeen mile traffic jam. Hugh imagine but it's at seventeen in minutes. I I'll say well that's not that bad. Just be like I just drive the right into the ocean. Seventeen miles are you kidding me so you know. Hotels are empty. Restaurants are not doing in any business. Bars are not doing any business which was a big deal there. it's on. You know. It sounds silly to talk about restaurants and bars not operating but when that's a big part of your income sure it's a big deal so they said we've had enough they got together and they filed an injunction against the US Border Patrol. This is the people all of the keys. The government's the community. The people at large said we're doing this. They took him to federal court in Miami. The court said Nah you can. You can keep that roadblock block so the mayor of Key West Dennis wardlow which I looked up and I fully expected him to look different than he looked. Oh really yeah. I expected him. Look kind of like a Jimmy Buffett type IDA to and he didn't what does he look like he looked sorta square. Did he look like The evil banker from it's a wonderful life because that's kind of the opposite of Jimmy Buffett. No but I fully pictured like a guy in like a Hawaiian shirt and no shoes and long hair but he he looked square he. He looked a little square. That's fine but it was nineteen eighty two. He did on short shorts but a suit and tie so the the press is there. He leaves the courthouse after the defeat. Aide they said you know what's going on. What are you GONNA do? And he says a very eye attention grabbing. You're grabbing thing tomorrow at noon. The Florida keys will secede from the Union uh-huh so he had a sense of humor. He did but he also had a lot of follow through honest of humor. Yeah it wasn't just a joke. No because the next day people showed up to see what would happen in at noon he came out and he said okay. First things first the the key west is no longer a part of the United added states. It's its own independent. Nation called the conch republic yes a sovereign nation of the fifth world yet. And there's this really great et Les Obscure Article About the Conch Republic and they they described the fifth world as So you know the first World Second World Third World is yeah. Everybody should say. Hey this is an outdated Cold War thing. Yeah exactly. Yeah so the United States and its allies were first world the Soviet Union and its allies. Where second world unaligned in a line countries or developing countries Third World Fourth World where people who were stateless and? I'd never heard that before. I hadn't either apparently Dennis Ward though had because he said that the Conch Republic was the I v World Nation Pretty Pretty smart which existed as a state of mind. He said we exist as a state of mind in aspire only to bring more warmth humor and respect to planet. We find in sore need of all three that by the way you guys don't know this was an exceptional Dennis wardlow wardle. He sounds exactly like me. That's crazy so he officially changes his position From an his title from Mayor of Key West West to Prime Minister of the conch republic and I felt like I'd heard that somewhere before but it might just be thinking of other crackpot Weirdos like sea land and the Pineapple Colt. There's a history of people that do things like this really. Yeah we've talked about a lot of them okay. Remember Sealand not impressed. No I had forgotten about them. Did they declared themselves sovereign. Yeah Oh yeah yeah yeah. It was like voting order. Something can you start your own country. I think the episode. Yeah that was that was so Prime Minister of the conch republic and he had a mock secession a declaration declaration of war on the United States right off the bat but the big one he declared war and Ended with lows of Cuban bread being being broken over the head of a man dressed as a US naval officer that was the war of aggression conch republic inflicted on the United States. Yeah so they're having fun at this point because the press is there and this is the whole point. They're trying to get press they are. They're trying to draw attention to the roadblock they're also trying to draw attention to their tourism And then after after after a minute of this war wardlow officially surrenders the conch republic to the United States and He went to a navy base surrendered right and then requests billion dollars in aid foreign aid from the US to rebuild after the war pretty great it is great of course the US. I didn't give them a dime. You ever see that movie. The mouse that roared I did. It was selling the same thing. Yeah so I'm guarantee wardlow saw that probably So he they the. US didn't give any of this foreign aid. There was an ascent give him but that roablock ended almost immediately. Yeah very quickly afterward. So it had the effect that he was looking for. That's right and they still celebrate it. Today they will issue a passport to you for the conch republic. I saw saw and I couldn't verify this same thing in multiple places so you know it's like that they'll stamp your passport really which I'm like I. I'm sure sure they do. But do you want them to do that. Because I could see US Customs being. Like what is this your passport's void. Now you can't just go stamping a passport asp with whatever you want. That's what I would think but of course I'm no. There's a pokemon stamp on the next page. I probably shouldn't have told you the imagine that customs seekonk republic stamp. I how about this if we have any customs agents for the US. Listen Okay if you get your passport stamp of the concrete public or some other made up stamp poke mind whatever like does it. What invalidate your passport? Customs officers officers are famous for their sense of humor. Sure they're just tickled by just about So they also fly a A flag with a motto. We succeeded where others failed. This is just and then every April they they celebrate. Still there'll nutty down there in key west. They are island people. They celebrate the independence of the CONCH Republic. Still an April. Yeah for like nine days and looked. There's a party down there. Sure there was a guy named Peter Anderson who was the former prime minister. No I'm sorry. Here's the Secretary General of the CONCH Republic. Can he was like a guiding light keeping things going and he died this still they still do it. I thought maybe they would have discontinued it but they still keep it up and down there Yeah I never been to key west. I did not realize they don't have beaches and that's why we went there for. We were Kinda surprised. Is it just like a little rocky island is a rock and buddy if you like to fish or or scuba dive or drink you're gonNA love it down there if you go for beaches. You're going to be unpleasantly surprised. I like to drink voice. Take up scuba diving snorkeling. That much of a fisherman never fisherman's paradise there. It's it's one of the most other worldly looking places I've ever been it's like a rock coming Out of like the ocean. Yeah an ocean so blue. It doesn't it doesn't even look real amazing. It's a neat places. Stemmed like there's a really crazy awesome gay community there. I'm sure you've seen on CNN on New Year's Eve that's right And it's just a cool place. It's a neat place. But but I like the keys in general. Oh one other thing. If you go down there there is a museum. I think it's just called the Key West Museum but it having wear no there's Hemingway's house this is different. This is some weird clunky museum that it's almost like somebody who's never been to a museum said I'm GonNa put a Museum Liam together and this is what they came up with. There's rooms where you're like. Is this a storage room or is this like part of the museum. It's an old stone fort. But there's this one exhibit. There's a bunch of them There's Robert the famous doll Who's like haunting curse? They have him there. It's really easy but there's one exhibit A.. Is just amazing amazing. There was a famous key west resident. Who engaged in Necrophilia for decades with the love of his life and boy could not let her go ebola? And there's like a whole thing on him there that's really neat. And they like redid this mannequin that he basically turned his wife into trying to preserve her. Oh it's definitely worth going to well if we're plugging very quickly Weird museums smashes plug. The Museum of umbrella covers what and that is on peaks island Maine Right off Portland Maine okay. Take the ferry out to peak's island. Sure you've got to. The Museum of umbrella covers. Not Umbrellas. Umbrella covers umbrella covers. I didn't even know there. Was this term Berlin. A little sleep yet. That's it okay. So he's got a bunch of them so there you have it from chuck that's right if you want now we don't do that on this doing now. Short stuff out stuff you should know is production. iheartradio's how stuff off works for more podcasts. From my heart radio is at the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
Friday, August 30, 2019
"From washington d._c. This is westwood one daily news for friday august thirtieth twenty nineteen. I'm john trout if you i have never lived or ben near a coastal area in a hurricane it's hard to imagine the ara under typically beautiful weather conditions. Everybody's scrambling because there's this impending menace in this case hurricane dorian. There's a state of emergency in florida and cocoa beach. We find our cheryl white. There are some hurricanes. We never forget here. In florida names like andrew opel irma and michael bring back some very bad memories it maybe that dorian will join the list of the worst to hit the sunshine state governor. Rhonda santa's has declared a state of emergency given the uncertainty of the track of the storm <hes> we're going to be updating that executive order to include all sixty seven florida counties and the reason is if you look at different possible tracks for this this thing you know it is possible that you could have impacts <hes> even in north west florida not necessarily the thing that's the most likely but that's certainly possible so <hes> we wanna make sure that <hes> that every county has the resources. They need to be prepared. Hurricane dorian is now forecast to strengthen to a category four storm before it makes landfall all along the east coast winds may be whipping as high as one hundred thirty miles per hour and it's not just the wind. There's also torrential rain. Storm surge urge and possibly even tornadoes port canaveral director captain. John murray says no boat as safe on the water in those conditions and the time to get them out now. Now we do have youth authority over those marinas and we order evacuation of votes from the water so we started removing boats. Already residents need to be ready to go to and many are not waiting until the last minute is getting ready for the hurricane is getting prepared before the storm comes just wanna protect against what's it's coming potentially but for those who don't have a plan yet congressman darren soto is urging them to take action be prepared and take it seriously get a a couple of days worth of food and water and flashlights as well as a charge up your chargers and make sure your gas tank is filled. You know the very basics like having safety kits on florida's east coast. The race is on to shore up tie up and pack up ahead of what could be a devastating hurricane dorian. I'm cheryl are all light. The justice department's watchdog says former f._b._i. Director james comey violated department policies over his handling of official memo's off correspondent. Linda kenyon has the latest in his report. The inspector general rights we conclude that khamis retention handling and dissemination of certain memos violated department the f._b._i. Policies and his f. b. i. employment agreement at the same time the i g said commes conduct did not merit prosecution and no information shared shared by him or his attorneys was classified at issue was a series of memos. Komi wrote about conversations with president trump that he said unnerved him. One memo detailed how all the president had asked komi to let go of the investigation into michael flynn trump's one time national security advisor the president's later decision to fire comey in may of of two thousand seventeen as the f._b._i. Was investigating russian election interference sugar questions about whether the president was trying to obstruct justice and so i asked a friend of mine to share the content of the memo with a reporter didn't do it myself for a variety of reasons by asked him to because i thought that might prompt the appointment of a special counsel commies hope was is realized weeks later when the justice department did appoint special counsel robert muller in an interview in april of last year republican senator tom cotton said would call me did did was wrong. I think that's unfortunate. Behavior on director comey is part and republican senator. Mike lee agreed leaking. The memo's was bad form. That doesn't seem to me to be the kind of the thing. We want out of an f._b._i. Director and f._b._i. Director whose example will affect everyone else in a department in a bureau where leaking seems to be a problem this week's release the inspector general's report prompted president trump did tweet perhaps never in the history of our country. Has someone been more thoroughly disgraced an excoriated than james komi in the just released inspector general's report. He should be ashamed of himself. Call me fired back noting that the investigation found no evidence that he or his attorney shared classified what information with the news media and accusing his critics of defaming him he tweeted. I don't need a public apology from those who defamed me but a quick message with a sorry we lied about how you would be nice and to all those who spent two years talking about me going to jail or being a liar and a leaker. Ask yourselves why you still trust people who gave you bad info for so long including the president linda kenyon washington eventually he wanted to be a separate branch of the military but for now l. president trump has begun his initiative to create a space force with an agency. That's going to be under the air force bob costantini with details even unfurling a new flag lake president trump presiding over the start of the space command for now a white house statement says it's employing assigned forces from every branch of the military to achieve vital title victories in space delivering combat power by operating superior space capabilities such as communications intelligence allegation and early missile detection and warning in in the rose garden. President trump announced a new combat realm justice. We have recognized land air sea and cyber as vital warfighting domains we will now treat space race as an independent region and there's a bit of reagan era star wars imagery to go along with the new program dick texting and destroying any missile launched against the united states congress and the pentagon have had mixed feelings about creating a whole new branch but president trump cited china and russia as potential space adversaries including interrupting satellite communications and possible radio signal weaponry fired from hundreds and thousands of miles above the earth surface congress's congress is still debating whether to create a whole new service branch bob costantini the white house. You may not avoid traffic snarls this weekend but you will find relief at the pump. Here's steve kastenbaum when you hit the road this weekend. You'll be joining millions of other americans and there's some good news. If you're driving to your labor day destination tonette castellano is a spokesperson some of the automobile association of america and that's average going to labor day weekend two dollars and fifty eight cents which is actually actually the cheapest. We've seen it since two thousand sixteen eighteen <hes> over the holiday weekend so many motorists hitting the road for the holiday are gonna fine pretty cheap prices especially <hes> in comparison to memorial day which kicked off the summer the average average price today is twenty five cents less than it was a memorial day weekend but prices vary widely depending on where you are. You're gonna find the most expensive prices on the west coast california washington and then the cheapest gas prices in the south and southeast south carolina mississippi <hes> and that has to do with <hes> transportation costs as well as state taxes but traditionally most expensive prices out west hurricane doreen isn't expected to impact gasoline supplies and prices is for most americans. If there was a hurricane coming towards the gulf coast it would be a little bit of a different story and have a much larger impact on gasoline. That's because the gulf coast is home to dozens of rigs. The refineries whereas the east coast of florida does not have a handful of refineries like like the gulf coast does but tripoli's castellano said there could be supply issues in the southeast. Thanks to the combination of people going on vacation and prepping for the storm so the next couple of days will really tell us what we can expect <hes> but i've seen plenty of video coverage just showing really long line now in florida people flocking to fill up so that you know in the event they do have to evacuate. They've got a full tank of gas and get get out of town. After hurricane irma in twenty seventeen power outages across florida left many gas stations unable to pump fuel for several days. I'm steve kastenbaum inbound westwood one daily news for friday august thirtieth twenty nineteen. I'm john trout.
Revisiting the Archive: Episode 4: Shirley Willer
"I'm Eric Marcus. And this is making a history book. I'm recording this fourth episode in our revisiting the Archive Series on Thursday April eighth four weeks to the day since my partner Barney and I started sheltering in place and just a few days since the corona virus likely claimed the life of a forty year old next door neighbour from what. I've been reading. The wave of infections here in New York City seems to be cresting just as the threat mounts in other parts of the country in an almost daily ritual. Now talk with my brother after he gets off his shift at the hospital where he works about five hours south of New York City. He's an emergency room administrator night before last we had a long anguish. Conversation about how he and his co workers aren't getting the proper gear. They need to protect themselves getting sick. The doctors and nurses are thankfully well supplied but my brother and his administrator colleagues aren't considered frontline workers even though they're close contact with patients arriving in the emergency room. One of my brothers colleagues was just diagnosed in is recovering at home. My brother is understandably scared and angry and I'm scared for him. An angry to it shouldn't be like this so what to do with that anger as I talked with my brother. Surely Willard came to mind. Shirley was a nurse who saw firsthand. What happens when people we care about die? Because of incompetence and inequality I interviewed Shirley back in nineteen thousand nine because of a role in the early home afoul movement where she served as national president of the daughters of beliefs in Organization for lesbians founded in one thousand nine hundred fifty five. But that's not the part of surely life that's on my mind. Now I'm thinking farther back to Shirley's life in one thousand nine hundred forty s Chicago and how anger inspired her to make change and force people to do the right thing or at least try. So here's the scene. It was a warm humid fall day when I arrived on the doorstep of Shirley's one-storey House in a working class neighborhood of Key West Florida. A young woman in cutoff shorts and a tank. Top answer the door and led me to a sunroom at the back of the house were surely was seated in a large wheelchair. Her hair was mostly gray and cutting a flattop style. She appeared at me from behind thick coke bottle glasses giving you the once over the way she looked and the way she looked at me was a little intimidating. She said her lit cigarette in an ashtray that was piled high with a pyramid of Butts budgies flitted in their cages on her porch and chirp like a half dozen smoke alarms being tested but when surely reached out to shake my hand remember shaking hands. Her warm smile set me at ease. I impact my equipment. Click the microphone to a Blouse and sat down in a chair opposite her. I pressed record know this little guys are GonNa be taking over the Mike you don't want to. I know and I discovered I was. They will use orders nowadays sending in a classroom listening to election mental hygiene. What was the lecture? How what did you say you liked describing don't lesbian and was like I said Gee I'm one of those things. What was her description how you were not attracted to men how these crushes on women. We're nineteen forty one. Would you have read about such things or heard about such things? Well I noticed company. Who around because after I when I found out I went home and told him that mother and she was able to get a copy of the book then I started looking up words in the dictionary and encyclopedia. And what did you find? Not Very pleasant. Descriptions pervert was a version of the natural instincts. Human-animal and at that time was considered criminal. Thanked I remember being picked up by the front of my shirt back and forth by a policeman because I was on the streets at eleven o'clock in a head on slacks women's slacks and sports shirt policemen policemen. I was walking down the street trying to find a gay bar that I'd heard of women on and women's slacks but obviously made us Taylor as possible trailer clothing. Means what Brooks present. Now that I'm not talking about a man I'm talking about a woman's I had massive muscles here Made rebuild the top here. They costs fortune. I think cost me all one hundred twenty dollars to have tailored the policemen say anything that would he was hitting you too and he called me. Names Dan Pervert you acquire Uso me and so forth and you couldn't call the police. Could you didn't call. The police was a policeman but in fact I finally did find the bar and I'm not sure but what might still be. There was a seven seas where this the first bar you went to. So you got you got slapped around the first time you're on your way salmon and we're doing bar stupid question here. Was that frightening and was frightened. I was angry. Why were you had no right to do that to me? And that's been my attitude on. I might have done right you. How did you find the bars? How did you know about this all started out as most people do thinking I was the only one then? I realized there had to be more out. There wouldn't be any kind of books and it wouldn't be any definition but of course I didn't know how to war ended always Cormon came back. These nurses Miller came back in the navy and the army and then of course when they were working in the hospital we met each other and most of them were pretty flaming Queens. When you say these guys were flaming. Can you describe for me? What what that means. They will call it being extremely swish. The mannerisms were very limp-wristed. Even at work they would emphasize terminent characteristics. Thank goodness city. Hospital was simply didn't seem to pay much attention to it. They did the right to do the job right. That's all that matters at that time. Big Events in Chicago with the Halloween balls era gun Huge ballrooms one on the north side. When southside every Halloween all bars were off and everybody went in cost and all of us would get Tuxedos and over all the women and dressing are bushiest silos and we all go to balls The air gun was on the north side of Chan. Southside these particular big events where again run by the Mafia and We'd hired them scenes. You see and get a police escort through the crowds in order to get inside and one year gay people one year that people could be gay and it was the only visible sign that they're literally were thousands and thousands of gay people in the city. Where was the first time you went to this? And the nineteen forties was short short. We have to gotTA service because I remember. They dressed me how address you enter. Tuxedo and tied my and put makeup on me. I never worn makeup in my life wore dresses. When did you become aware that there was any kind of organized? There wasn't much unorganized organized movement The Oni organized group that I could find out about was one which was more literary and this is already by nineteen fifty early nineteen fifties and ten so what happened during the during the nineteen four. Then it was pretty much on our own volition that we would so many young women that were being thrown out of their homes so we started our own little informal groups and we take in all the kids. I take it out in the street and we would he pushing them to stop trying to hide it. be themselves. I believe that you should stand up becomes dangerous for most people. It's always dangerous for anyone who doesn't have any money in the bank. We weren't many of them endangered. Losing their jobs depend on the job. They would take no majority of wouldn't take jobs where they were endangered. They would go for the Dirty jobs rough jobs running elevator. I remember one in particular very bright girl but the only governor she could get was running an elevator because she wouldn't wear threats so are we didn't call ourselves any particular group. How did you come in? Contact with Pearl Heart. Heart was an attorney and try talking to some of the men. We is where we first heard her. There was this group of about six of us since women and we wanted to form some kind of an organization so we went to see her and we asked her you know. How do you go about doing such a thing she said you don't you don't Pearl at that? Time was like everyone else. She felt that people would get farther by simply doing things quietly without announcing themselves without having large formal meetings and so forth grand only. We're sheet Elizabeth again. I never slept with it so I can't swear to it right. But she also wore brooks by the suits except that hers were tweety indicators and it was a very sad time to be alive. Why is that what well? For example we had one young man was studying. Medicine was working as a nurse. You worked the eleven to seven shift overnight till seven in the morning and then at nine o'clock he would have his first class and so he would go home and each hour and a friend of his would pick him up and they go to class together on. You fell asleep while in with waiting one day and when by the time this friend got their couch Totally in flames shooting smokey and he was very badly burnt. They took him to a conflict. Hospital run by Brotherhood you did not receive good care because because he was queer now. I couldn't go and see him because women weren't allowed to go into the hospital whatsoever but the men did but they were thinking changing dressings and even then we knew enough to use salt water. Dressings anything else. You put dressings on keeping saturated order. Keeping wet in wasn't even doing that than just one guy and seepage was coming through and so we moved heaven and earth to try and get transferred out of there to Veterans Hospital and we gotta the day before he died furious in fact that's been large presented by lifing angry burning. His name was Barney shocks me. I didn't didn't occur to me that that Such a thing happened before AIDS I s the hatred of the game as existed as long as wing insisted But NOT TO CARE FOR SOMEBODY. Who's sick didn't go against every everything you've ever talk all people those who pretended to be religious anymore. Tape one side to this upsets. You still always well. How many years ago is this forty seven more than forty years ago? Why is it what? What is it about that experience? That was that wasn't is still so upsetting they. I think anybody who call themselves in America? Who believes in any kind of religion too deliberately allows someone to die or force them in a position where they're going to die unforgivable so they kilbirnie killed by game. He was another one of those they did. A brother sister relative he was close relative. You're somebody who practice young man I would say was about twenty four a baby. But you'll be yeah. I think this probably had a great deal to do with Magris I had done it very private way. Prior to that time you know trying to set something up where we could have a an ongoing group that would meet have meetings and tried to accomplish something. I had no specific goals in mind. But after Barney's death I think many of us became much more aggressive. We had to stand up and be counted. We had to make an impression some. Why couldn't let go one? That had to stop from turning point of Barnes death in nineteen forty seven fast forward to the nineteen sixties by then Shirley will is work with the daughters of believes was taking her on the road from Boston to Texas. A dozen places in between she was a lesbian. Johnny appleseed starting new chapters of GOP and a few chapters of the Mattachine society another Homa file organization wherever she went Shirley Willer died from heart failure on December thirty first. Nineteen Ninety one. She was sixty-nine Shirley found a way to channel her anger. One of the challenges on finding now is what to do with mine over the gross incompetence of the people who should be instead of blaming the systemic racism and economic inequalities. That are fueling the deaths of the most vulnerable among us and the bald-faced lies. That got us to this terrible moment in the first place for the past three weeks. I've been publishing a hyper local neighborhood newsletter. And I'm working on this podcast but I'm often left feeling like I'm doing my part not making enough of a difference. During this crisis I think we can all feel pretty small in the face of a global pandemic. That's leading to so much suffering. But then I get an email like the one I got yesterday from Cayden. Here's part of what he said to all. Who read this? I cannot think Eric Marcus in the team who create this podcast enough for allowing me to hope as we all navigate a world with new boundaries and requirements. I'm a young gay college student and I am presently living at home with my parents. My Mom who is unwilling to accept my identity and my dad taking a sharper turn towards hard religion. My Dad in the last week is told me he would be content with me. Never speaking to him again. My mom encourages me to at least try hooking up with women have told me my identity is invalid despite every fiber of my being knowing. They're wrong. Thank you for your podcast as it allows me twenty minute escapes each day. Every episode gives me hope that I can overcome my own struggles and make a positive impact on my community at present and in the future. I smile I cry. I laugh each episode grounding me to a world that has otherwise left me untethered. Thanks cayden fear email and your support of words which encourage all of us at making a history of keep doing what we're doing and to keep trying to make connections through history and across great distances in this time of physical isolation. You're not alone and your note helped us feel less alone and thank you to our listeners. Who have recently made donations to support making a history so we can continue sharing these stories with people like Cayden and our many thousands of other listeners around the world. I know that many people are struggling financially. So I'm especially grateful to donors like Louis Poulain who seventy and came out. Just five years ago Louis. I admire both you and Kane for your courage and perseverance and world that to this day can be a hostile one for people like us. Many thanks to all my colleagues produces podcast special. Thanks to Sour Birmingham. Our founding editor and producer for producing this episode and England Attaya Making Gay Histories Deputy Director for handling all the post production work to get her episodes out to you so long. Stay safe until next time.
An Interview I Will Always Cherish!
"Senior Life Journeys Presents Carol Howls. Let's talk dementia. A podcast designed to help caregivers find knowledge power hope and smiles lyles in their dementia caregiving journey welcome to let's talk dementia. Here's your host bestselling author Carol. Well hello and welcome. Welcome to another episode of. Let's talk dementia. Always glad when you join us and always glad to bring you some good dementia education will today. I am honored to have the author of this Wonderful Book Breakfast Memories. Oh my word you've got to know and I've told you before that I don't like to cry. This book Mamie lay in my bed one night as I read in cried all by myself. My husband over there snored. I'm reading this book crying which I'm not sure. I appreciate from the author. I wasn't expecting that but as I've got to interview her until tell you guys about her so right now I would like to welcome onto the show. Miss Hanley the author of Breakfast Memories a Dementia Love Story Kay. How're you how little caroline thank you for inviting me on? Aw My pleasure will folks I am as you folks know down in the southern tip of South West Florida and Kate is well. She's not here. She's in the Adirondack. Mountains and our temperatures are slightly different in Kate. You said you've already had snow. Oh Yeah we've had. We've talked to over thirty. We have had snow home. How we're very much no now just just as the flake that come through the air and you say okay? It's time to take in the summer furniture can't do you know we don't even have furnaces in our homes no furnaces. There's like three days a year when it when it gets cool so when we moved here we brought with us our ceramic heaters. You know those little ones that they're not like a maybe a foot tall. I have two of them my daughter just slash. She said you're such old people. Mommy you're not going to need those here. Those two days a year I will be warm. She will be called. I will be warm so there you go. Mom knows best care. I don't have air conditioning. I don't eat would it there. You go that interesting. I can't imagine that never lived anywhere where I didn't need air conditioning. Well folks this book is just. It's beautiful beautiful. I love the shape of it first of all in it on. Whoops go this way so you guys can see? I'm not good with this camera business This is a wonderful story that she wrote in. When you start reading it you think it's going to be her mom story 'cause mom had dementia but you quickly quickly learn at learned that it's dead story and I may be? It's both of their stories. But I just so dad story just touched my heart so much coach and tell us the premise of this book sil when my father passed that he asked I hate you. Both of my parents windy links. Because I'm on my father was failing and he would not allow hell to have a real real need other protecion in Kabul. We basically wanted to rock. Were and pick up and move when a knee Dan Really basically which was not the direction you are expecting. Your story to go wasn't expecting acting that when I read the book I'm like Whoa White and a little bit of a spoiler alert right. He died immediately and what I found when I was cleaning out. His house was an answer to what I couldn't answer myself. which was why is mom so happy? Many that have dementia become angry Mom was just happy. Happy Happy And when we were closing out the house and I don't know that's the part that you're going to read care of but when we were cleaning family home I found. Did you found. Stop Stop here. Dad told you at one point he said something to you that when you found this particular thing it resonated what was it that say too so he told me that obviously his wife and of sixty five years was the best part of his life and that what I discovered in my conversation with in Carroll was alone language that I never saw again numbers Teheran's never never and he told me that every day he wrote a college student Carol when he found out dementia with set in and there was nothing he could do. He took his hand every morning on a Napkin. About how he he loved her and enrolled. There was darkness road of Happy Times. I've worn interior and they would sit together and read and he wanted wanted her. He believed bears. Fear into them that there was something he could do to her because he knew she was going to battle he China. You guys looked on read to you. She is at the House that she grew. You grew up in. I Guess K.. Iraq going through mom and dad's things and she says in her book. Oh my God here they are. I place my right hand on my heart as I saw the pile of daily poetry written in dated proclaiming his love for her and of his fight to remind her of their love as they both battle against their disease is a flash of memory. Brought me back into the past as I looked at the stack of sealed Napkins. I knew these Napkins. I had seen his morning setup setup in kindness to her as she sat down at her spot at the kitchen table on my overnight at their home during the years of their declining help. I remember remember specifically one morning when I saw a son it at the table in told her that I thought it was so sweet. He gently smiled and did not reply as if it were private between them. Not for anyone else. These were the secrets of his heart. He didn't boast of the cinema written on the Napkin and he didn't comment on the riding from his soul. He didn't comment on their life together. He didn't bring me into the intimate conversation of what was written from him to his love. Their love language belongs only to them. Now I'm going to you folks. I'm trying hard not to but that's S. just heart-wrenching that is a story of love. Our you've got to treasure that for all of your life to have love to realize you came from parents who loved each other so deeply that this is their story. What a blessed blessed individual you arcade they you and I agree? I think that's just something akin to keep reading a little bit more here. You guys hold on Kate. You can hear your own on words coming from somebody else's while I walked in holding dad's box as if the box held a newborn baby. I found Linda at the nurses station and took the bag of Napkins out of the box. I carefully placed the bag down on the counter and explained this bag of Napkins was more than just that what I brought was the outpouring of my dad's heart I explain how he'd written these poems each and every morning and how. They sat next. Mom's breakfast plate reluctantly. I pulled the top Napkin from the bag and I watched as Linda's is read the poem and filled with tears. Now Linda is at the care home where your mom was. You are correct. Yeah she took my hands into hers Kate she said. Can I put these in remembrance book for Your Mom then we can place next to her every morning at breakfast. I nodded and and let the tears fall down my face in Kate. That's what they did now. Tell us what happened after that. So after their. Ask My mom who hasn't been eating Carol before that phone call had come into my home and it was kate. There's something thing wrong with your mom. We think we may have to adjust her her schedule. Because often those with dementia their cycle and timing is off in some sluggish Staffed eating she stopped eating breakfast. She was sitting count the nurses explained to she. She wouldn't efficient and impress the Dak an arrest in but she had a Napkin when she had a Napkin and when the nurses called at home with the boys husband. Anthony said. We're GONNA change your schedule that we just wanted to know information information call and so all I heard Carol. This is sad. She's teaching with an act and shoot the car and then ask the part of the story. They read where there's something here her. May I say after what happens yes please see eight. He sacked she called bucks. uh-huh charges pressed to Napkins. She found beloved language looking for she remembered micro father. The one moment remembered that she was loved. My mom remembered why she was happy. She wasn't an anxiety any person she was happy. She was loved he beat medical science. He'd be car buddy the one and I I just so clearly remember. Being renewed rejoice always lost for moments. I wasn't exhausted. I wasn't tired. I just kept saying you did it. Yes you did it good. Hey man that was. Oh that's why I sit. The band is crowded with golf. That you could Hollywood wanted to make the story. They could not come up with. That is sounds like a Hollywood story though. It sounds like that didn't happen. Some is making this because it's a hallmark movie that needs to in well. This happened. This carol absolutely happened in it is it is still it just renewed every kinds of me every out and you know more importantly it renewed my mom. My father didn't know that it was going to write a book with this renew. That if he could tell me what to do what to do and he did and and she responded it did can respond is just amazing so in case lash chapter is called and the greatest of these is love. Isn't that the truth nothing. Better Almond voided. You live that you saw that Kate. I wish you would turn to page eighty one and read on your last two paragraphs there. I'd talk to end just so we can note Carol. Today's October thirty a- all my word go ahead and tell him why. That's it's important so page. Eighty one memories. MOM died October thirty first thirty first of all instead of the Times of year in the Roman Catholic faith to pass it to have a Peasley in the same silent on that was part of the hamlet gambling without items that might have brought with him and his two sisters in the same bed she shared my for fifty nine years over one hundred of seven. She'll lay there with her lifeless body. Overwhelming says so what hit shared twitter through my mind at the last several years of the CD to burn seeking to tact and ultimately seeking to Karen. More of them she was than ever before fifty two years I had received remarkable cereal and in life lesson healing Kerry lobby crying and a mom and dad. It became crystal clear. The lesson is the center of MOMS happiness. She has a loft a man. What do you say is beautiful? The very last thing you wrote. Kate says get say correctly. Who my hands are shaking? That's just so moving. She is buried wearing an Irish scarf and holding a morning napkin breakfast. His memories folks available on Amazon. I hope you will check it out in. Take a deep breath when you read it because it's going to touch your soul. Well in a way that well my books on. I don't write that way in minds monitor totally different but K.. I get a lot of books and I split flip through a lot of books and go. No and I was busy when your book came because my Mama was dying and I was busy with that and so so I got life settled out almost sit down and I'm GonNa read breakfast memories and read it all one evening. We go to bed early and read to. We get sleepy and Dan. I knew gotTa talk to this woman. You have a gift that God has given you to share with other people and I am so glad that you did. I'm so glad you reached out to me and I am so glad that people in eighty one countries now are going to hear about breakfast memories. And you guys. You'RE GONNA love this this book and I hope that you will right kate and tell her about it. You write and tell me about it. Now slip. Kate knows kate. Thank you thank you for it all especially today today of all days. It wasn't meant to be earlier. It just was not thank. Thanks Take Care Well folks. I hope you enjoy that interview with Kate. She made me cry. And you know I hate that. Miss my makeup eh up. Now I'M GONNA have to go fix that all right. We'll see you on our next episode by Let's talk. Dementia would like to thank our sponsors National National Association of Veterans and families. You can reach them at eight hundred three five to nine one nine on the Internet at www dot in VF dot org. They speak veterans. So you don't have to and you tell them Carol you. When you call to inquire about benefits for the veteran spouse of the better or both both editor bed you can find Ms Beth crosby at editor Beth Dot Com? She is amazing at looking at what you've written in making sure it represents you will will find her at. WWW dot editor Beth dot com and HD imports located on Flint Street extension in Rock Hill South Carolina on it. That's your county eighty three nine eight five zero nine eight five. They are there for the hunt the repair and maintenance of your Honda Hyundai Toyota Kia. Tell Them Carol CINCI. Thanks for joining us today for Carol. Howls let's talk dementia to learn more about dementia we recommend Carols bestselling rolling book also titled? Let's talk dementia. It's available on Amazon in paperback kindle versions be sure to like let's talk dementia on facebook and leave us
The Sublime Lime Episode
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Hello and welcome to favor a production of iheartradio and stuff media. I'm and I'm loin vocal bomb and today, we're talking about limes. Yes. Lines, which I'm really excited about I love. I love lie. I love a line. Yeah. I live alone. We're not talking about living today, but my old pin name I had a pin. Name was lemon lemon squeezy. But then I decided that was too tacky. So I changed a poem tickets, which is clearly way classy, clearly clearly professor Plum in clue is like, oh, pretty Seabra, classy or Bain, even her Bain. Indeed. And one of the first things I thought about when we were always like listen include some fun banter at the top. It's so fun. I know it is lime wire that's Annie's music empire was built on. Oh, yeah. Back in the day. When you had all of the mix CDs for anyone who doesn't know. This was the file sharing service. Yeah. That I would say largely got used for illegally sharing music. Yes. Much like all of the file sharing services circa that time. Yup. Pretty much. I don't know if it's still around anymore. I don't think so I have absolutely no idea. I have a friend of a friend who met her husband on lime. That's so suite, isn't it? Heck, yeah. I don't have any stories about line wire early. But, but my roommate does have a lime tree which apparently she has she has grown much to the chagrin of one of my friends from from a farming family from Florida She grown it incorrectly. And it's now just a permanently dwarfed little shrub size tree. But that's actually very convenient for you know, her and also, you know, me because we have to move it inside and outside every winter and summer. Yeah. It'd be much harder to do with like a big full-sized tree. Yeah. As it stands. It's it's not lightweight. But it is heck and delightful like about once every two years, we get I don't know like twenty to forty lines like a whole bunch of lions while the flowers. I I mean, especially for small tree and the flowers smell beautiful. And and oh, it's just it's really nice sounds lovely has thorns limes have thorns say do indeed. This is something that I would have been surprised by had. I not already tricked myself on a lime tree. That makes sense. I was surprised to learn that. But this brings us to question. Oh, yeah. Limes? What are they? Well, limes are a whole mess of species within the genus citrus though, they do have jarver's in. Versus. Immediately. Delighted by that. I loved that. All right. We'll keep it. Sure, they have jarver's genetics things called limes tend to be smallish roundish fruits that consist of a greenish outer skin sometimes yellow when ripe dotted all over with sacks of highly fragrant oils and inside of that there's a thin white layer of spongy pith which protects sections of delicate little pale green, juice sex and the fruits seeds all inside of that. Yeah. The juice of limes tends to be acid tart and bright and a little bit better. And the oils in the skin tend to be floral and bright and bitter. These fruits grow on trees that can range in size shape and climate preference. But generally aligns are tropical subtropical frost will at best hurt the crop. And at worst permanently damaged the tree. They do grow year round. But there's usually one or two primary fruiting seasons. And yeah, lots of them lots of moments just thorny as heck. The leaves of some lime varieties are also used in some cuisines. They tend. To be dark green and shiny on top and pale and Matt underneath they've got a sort of gentler vibe in flavor than lime zest, but a similar floral bidder. Bright profile and the word lime seems to come from a Persian word for the fruit Lyman, which then filtered through Rebac and either Portuguese and or Spanish to English sometime around the sixteenth thirties. Nutrition wise, lime Esten juice pack. A lot of flavor for a local Orrick load. They contain a little less sugar and a little less citric acid than lemons do and they're pretty high in vitamin c the juice of one line has about a third of your daily recommended value. Wow. See? Yeah. Vitamin C being useful because it's an antioxidant, which means that under certain conditions. It can help your body prevent certain diseases like cardiovascular disease, the cold and flu even some types of cancer. It also helps your body absorb iron. Yeah. I I said that I was just remembering I read that somewhere. And I'm glad that that. True. It's always nice to know that something you read is true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that your brain hasn't just made up fact, exactly exactly. And you can see our Margarita episode for more about Lyme, burn also known as Margarita dermatitis. Yes. This is the thing where limes and other citrus is are so sick that if you have the juice on your skin, and then you're out in the sun you can get a sunburn. Yeah. Like a chemical burn from. Yeah. It's not good. Don't wear where sunscreen stay in the shade wash your hands. Never go outside and fire is coming out. This is good always wait to be invited. And that's just polite. We know what you're up to. I I'm not saying I'm just saying this is all good advice. True. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, is gonna vampire in some kind of sleeper agent on our team interesting. All right, but numbers. Actually, not super easy to come by. But as of two thousand twelve twelve percent of lines come from Mexico, and that is followed by India Argentina, Brazil and Iran, there are so many types types Persian limes are the most commercially grown sometimes called to Houston limes. There's also Mexican limes often called key limes, which I learned is an American retro Nim, and I just like the word retro. It's pretty good. Yeah. A Mexican or key lime are smaller and more tart than Persian limes. There's also finger lime sometimes called lime caviar sweet lines and Mandarin. Limes? Blowed lines lime quotes. Mix of come quotes and lines. It's great. If you guys have never seen finger limes or caviar lines, go look a picture these things it's wild like they the juice sacs are kind of like a little bit more willy nilly inside the the rind of the fruit. And so when you cut into one it looks like I don't know like like you pulled away, and it looks like a salmon Roe new Geary. Oh. How interesting nature anyway, there is one variety of lime whose name you probably still see on store shelves in the west, but that you should endeavor to learn a different name for and the name that I'm looking to avoid saying here is K A F F, I R and I'm looking to avoid saying it because it's also a terrible racial slur used to demean black people in South Africa. The etymology of the name for the lime and the slur seemed to be separate. But that doesn't mean it's okay to go tossing the word around because it's hate speech in certain parts of the world. Yeah. But I it is one of the top three commercially grown lines in the world and its leaves and Ryan are important elements in many southeast. Asian cuisines calling them Tyler lines or McRae. Limes is preferred. And Americans on average eat three bounds of limes a year who I would imagine a lot of that goes into cocktail plano. I don't know since nineteen eighty American line consumption has increased by ten times, and that's mostly as we've been exposed to more dishes from around the world that utilize lime more than we do slash. Did cracked lime is used in all kinds of things drinks like the Margarita or lie made desserts. Like key lime pie. It's used in tacos. And shut news lime pickles or integral in south Indian cuisine. In Vietnamese dishes, like fuck in Thai food dried lime in Persia and Iraqi food part of the marinade for severe J, the juice mixed with salt is sometimes called an old sour and the twigs are used as chewing sticks in parts of Africa. The leaves can be used dried and soups and stews like in Curry's. That's one of the flavor profiles and type hurries for share or fresh in cooking salads. Or as garnish you can look for frozen. Mcgirt leaves at your local Asian cursory. Lime juice is an important ingredient in jam and salad dressing industries because of its citric acid, and it can be used in a variety of non-food ways like lightning hair, which as an actress I've been advised to do usually more with lemon, but what either way and cleaning coffee pots, kind of an old wives tale a stumbled upon. Yeah. Yeah. All kinds of cleaning products are made with made with lime lime juice and zest stuff. Like that. And went on such a big Margarita kick a couple years ago. I bought like a specialized live choose. Yes. Yes. Yeah. L five. They're harder to like juice than limits. They are they're a little bit. They tend to be a little bit stiffer, especially these days as be we have perhaps lower quality lines coming into the United States. But but yeah, yeah. Do good roll it on the table. Oh before juice it. That'll help them kinda squish all the bits inside squish. Yeah. You squish before the big. Yeah. You can also microwave Alime for just like like under thirty seconds like like ten to twenty seconds. I would say just enough to kind of excite them. All just just to yell yelich loose, again, loosen everything up prese quick Margarita gave is about to get even better. Thank you Laurin anytime. Right. But this about brings us to our history portion. But I I it brings us to a quick break for word from our sponsor. This episode of saver is brought to you by smart water. I drink a lot of water. I have witnessed you do it. Yes. There are a few things. I love more in life than some cool water after a workout and I love smart water, not only for the taste, but for the uniquely designed to bottle because it's so great to grab when you're on the go twenty years ago. Smart water, reimagined, what water could be from the inside out today. They're continuing to find smart ways forward in everything they do from thoughtful bottle designed to supporting smart people who are changing our world. Refresh thinking like you smart water has added electrolytes for taste and great tasting water helps you meet your goals. Whether you've got some new ones in two thousand nineteen or just aiming to look and feel your best every day. Refresh yourself with smart water. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes. Thank you. So citrus trees, as we sorta know them have been around for about eight million years, which we know because researchers found a fossilized citrus leaf that's about that old in what's now, south western China. Yeah. Records of citrus cultivation in general, go back some four thousand years, but it's likely the varieties that we know today took thousands of years of a hybridization both natural and human produced rates the first wild. I'm probably originated in the Indonesian archipelago, perhaps on the Asian mainland records show that they were first commercially grown in Babylonia modern day, Iraq. And these were what we today. Call patos. A group of limi- citrus species that includes the affirmation Macroom lime. The fruit of many potatoes is to sour or better to really want to mess with. But they tend to be hardy. And their skin leaves again can be an excellent ingredient in cooking Arabian traders spread limes along. With other citrus that they encountered in India to the eastern Mediterranean and Africa's sometime around one thousand CE and to Spain even earlier as early as four hundred CE when the crusaders returned to the western Mediterranean in the twelfth and thirteenth century. They brought with them. They were being cultivated in Italy. And also probably France in the thirteen hundreds sometime. Amidst all of this spread and cultivation molecular geneticists today think that Patos were crossed with species of Citron's, which is another one of the original primary types of citrus to give rise to many species of limes that we know today. The original primary types of citrus being Hobo. Yes. Pepitas Citron Mandarin and pa- mellow. That's your trivia fact of the episode. Owed. It is you're going to really impress somebody with that one. Keep that one close to you folks, you impress us for sure am I kidding. I'd be like oh who. And I'm glad you included this because I got really confused in this episode. Researching this lime have so many different paths. And because there's different types of limes. History of lime is like. Plot. It is it is. And I think that we could probably do a full episode on any of the specific varieties of line that exists today. I I love it. When we just go like, yes, you're let's just do rice. Oh, I don't even want to think about that episode ever again. Oh that that other way of measuring time before physics. That was great. Oh, right. Heck, no, I I would happily talk about rice again. But the that was yeah. That we were foolish to to undertake that well came through on the other side, we did as we hopefully sell do today. I like it. We're on our coast. We're not sure we're going to make it to the end. I think we can. Yeah. So Christopher Columbus. That guy brought citrus seeds on his fourteen ninety three journey to the West Indies probably including lime seeds not too long. After the trees could be found there along with and Mexico, and in Florida, and they were common in Haiti by fifteen twenty as we've mentioned in a couple of our cocktail hour episodes lime juice was frequently used in beverages by the British navy to prevent scurvy. That's where the term limi- comes from this at I was eight closely monitored military secret. Oh, yeah. And was the idea of Sir, James Lind. Although people have been doing it before then they just weren't entirely. Sure about it. He even if you didn't have the science. Exactly, right. He was pretty sure like he was like, yeah. No, this will work let us implement this. As a plan. I think he did one of the first controlled random trials to get to the bottom of this. And yeah, so Lind was a Scottish naval officer, and he realized that scurvy had killed more people than skirmishes, for example of the almost two thousand soldiers on a four year circumnavigation of the globe ending in seventeen forty four only one hundred and forty five survived. Four have been killed by enemies and scurvy killed the rest. Oh my goodness. A huge deal. That was just as my rabbit hole of the episode. I researched so much about scurvy. The rain was still Finn. But you can see our gin and tonic episode for the potentially anti malarial properties of quietening in tonic and the dishes of lime Jen to make the medicine go down this one of my favorite histories, and a cocktail hour said we've ever done that was a really good one was the surgeon general of the East India company recommended lime juice as far back as sixteen fourteen by the eighteen fifties, sailors grog, which was a mixture of Rome water and lime juice was part of sailors rations and this helped the British defeat Napoleon. So yeah. Big deal. Kind of a big deal. Kind of a big deal. Persian lunch from Brazil arrived to Australia in eighteen twenty four and in California via Tahiti sometime between eighteen fifty and eighteen eighty hence the term Thiessen lime exactly since the Persian line was hardier than the key lime with it's thinner skin. And that made that key lime less suitable for transport. Cultivators and Florida's switched out. Most key limes to Persian limes small-scale commercial cultivation of lines and orange and lake counties in Florida began in eighteen eighty three and after a nineteen o six hurricane and pollution of the soil due to pineapples firms in the Florida Keys replace their crop with limes. They would then be pickled in salt water and sent to Boston and sold as a snack kids in particular liked them. And they were even mentioned and Little Women. Which I love a hurricane in nineteen twenty six wiped out this small industry, though. I say like a -firmative Lee as though it's a fun. Fact. It's not really I mean, that's just a fact it is. But a a lot of hurricanes due to the tropical and subtropical climate of limes a lot of hurricanes have impacted a lot of lime industries around the world over over time. Yeah. And it's I would say one of the main reasons that the US gets most of our lives from Mexico, and we'll go into that little bit more detail in a minute. Yeah. Absolutely. The early nineteen hundreds is when the key lime took off in key west, which at the time was the southernmost American city. I love those. Okay, so milk tanks. Didn't they couldn't make their way down there? So before the opening of the overseas highway, nineteen thirty hints milked tanks now get down there shifts used canned condensed milk soured with live. Oh, well, however after that nineteen twenty six hurricane wiped out most of the crop of key limes, they were replaced with Persian limes. Meaning most key lime. We see on menus instead refer. For two Persian lives. Most of the time not all the time occasionally there, Israel, keel. I'm involved. But generally speaking, probably not from what I read though, it might be less uncommon now to actually have real time. Yeah. I know that I've seen them in grocery stores more often. Yeah. And there's there's a couple of places in Key West Florida where it's just known that. That's real key lime. You getting. Raymond Sokolov wrote about his search for key lines in nineteen Eighty-one, quote, the poorest Caribbean confined real lives in his local marketplace. But America, we can only by Tahiti limes and our glistening supermarkets, even or perhaps, especially in the keys the conspiracy to hard. This botanical masquerade has succeeded almost completely in perpetuating the myth of a regional dish. I'll heck no. There seemed to be to agreed upon rules for good key lime pie in key west one, no green food coloring and to know Jillette. I would agree. Yeah. Uh-huh. Have you ever made a key lime pie? No. That's squeezing a lot of tiny tiny. I I it's very intensive. It's a little it's a little tedious. Yeah. I do have a friend who doesn't cook. Essentially at all. But he does make a key lime pie. And it's terrific, Matt. If you're listening shout out to your key lime pie is always excellent. I love those friends that have the one thing they'll make especially love it when it's something complicated. Weird. I'm like, all right. How did this output? So great. It's delicious though. Well, this did give me I don't normally Kripke lie. I do all the time just desserts or some of my favorites. Yes. I have a list of anytime. Someone tells me their favorite dessert. I write it down here on my list is that was a citrus lover. Just in case I want to make somebody a desert be able to consult the lists. And know what their favorite things are. Anyway, that's just something about me. After World War One. The Persian lime had solidified its place as a commercial product in the United States despite initial consumer resistance at the so-called green lemon Canadians resisted at first to preferring. The more flavorful key lime. George d Fleming junior. Proprietor of key lime associates was looking to make what he called a vacation cottage colony of lines in nineteen fifty three the next year. As the Florida Keys were developing, the upper Florida Keys chamber of commerce was founded in part to spread the word about this line that they were afraid might die out otherwise in nineteen fifty nine with the help of the upper Keith Kowalski club. They launched an educational campaign encouraging residents to plant the lime and have lime nurseries. And then to go on to sell the tree CHAI kind of door since nineteen sixty the crew to be an island of Dominica has made a business out of selling the juice from Mexican limes. Most of which goes to the UK for settling and wooden bats followed by a clarifying process. It's bottled as Rose's lime juice in England a product of L rose and co LTD any surplus is sold to software. Producers nowadays L rose and co LTD gets most of their lime juice from Ghana. I have never heard of this product. But it's sounds like it's very popular. Oh, it's it's pretty I'm nearly positive. You've seen a bottle of it. It's frequently sold I think next to a bottle of of Grenadine like there's one that's quite green in one. That's quite red. And and the am I think if the right thing and the and the wrapper is kind of like red and white floral and like old timey. I just kept picturing a like a period bottle. But as Rosie the Riveter on front, and I'm not sure why that's what I picture. That's definitely not the definitely. Does that even exist? If not it should it's just because the name is rose. I'm very simple person in some way. Well, yes, it's shelf stable, and I I wouldn't say that it necessarily tastes like lime juice. But it it has a lime flavor to it for sure that's a lime flavor to it tends to be sweetened. Oh, okay. Yeah. And since it's, you know, pasteurized still shelf stable, it's not not as punchy. Oh, okay. Reminds me of another old wives tale that drinking sprite on a if you had an upset stomach would like would like magically she'll she'll your stomach out. I know my mom used to give me ginger ale. Ginger ginger does have a little bit of a stomach property. But I don't think the ginger L particularly helps I liked it. I was a fan getting too. All right. All right, stepping back a bit to nine hundred fifty four Libby McNeill and Libby switched over a hundred acres of previously dedicated to great for of land previously dedicated to grapefruit over to Persian and to Houston live that was in Florida. Yeah. Yes. Production increased sixty percent in the seventies. And the industry was valued at nine million dollars in nineteen seventy nine and Florida was the big dog in terms of line production in the United States to this day, Florida produces about ninety percent of America's lime crop as more immigrants from Latin America came to the US and brought with them more dishes. That utilize lime the citrus grew in popularity and demand went up then in nineteen Ninety-two Florida's line production took a massive blow with Hurricane Andrew. I was living at that time in south Florida and Andrew was supposed to hit my town of Coral Springs, but it veered and hit much closer to homestead the seat of the south Florida lime industry. Yes. And while this industry did mostly recover by nineteen ninety nine. In the meantime, Mexico had filled that lime void a disease decimated Florida limes in two thousand so that's only year later. Yeah. Seven years later, the industry was once again, virtually nonexistent. Thanks to this disease. Not wanting to plant new citrus trees, only for them to get reinfected they pivoted to other crops like avocado as of two thousand fourteen there were just four hundred acres of limes being grown in Florida time magazine compared that with forty-one thousand acres of lemons out in California. If you've noticed the price of lines going up that is part of why another part a couple years ago. Bad weather crime and disease plagued the lime crop in Mexico where the US gets most of our lives most of being a walking ninety seven percent and that drove up the price of limes for exam. Simple. A forty pound box of lines went up from twenty dollars to a hundred and twenty dollars a. Yeah. And that organized criminal activity part is is a really huge factor in that as of about twenty eleven the crime cartel last couple of euro, Templar ios in English that would be the the knights Templar. They were facing increasing difficulties in the drug trade. So they began extorting lime farmers and exporters in Mexico. Really violently. It's it's a bloody and an ongoing story, though, the the violence and industry impact perhaps peaked around two thousand fourteen the cartel has since switched sites to avocados more recently. And that is a whole other story. That is terrifying. That I would love to go into some day. It's it's it's very fascinating. Yeah. And I when we were deciding on this episode, I I have to say one of the first things I think about when I think about lines and avocado. So is this. I like I couldn't I didn't remember the details. But I knew at one time like the price of lines had gone way up. And there was this fear of like little we're going to do about limes because of the things we said, but I remembered the crime in Mexico, so yeah should. Yeah. I would love to have a whole depressing episode on that sometime. I'm sure we shall. Avocados been on our list for a long time cover. It has been. Yeah. I I would organized crime around avocados globally is really a thing. Yeah. Yup. Well, well on that note that about rounds up our lime episode it does we do have a little bit more for you. But first we've got one more quick break for word from our sponsor. 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So a minute ago do those and five I gave them up. So yes. A long time. My goodness. A dare because I am easily manipulated from rockstar. A soft drink, right? It's only and I will allow it if it's mixed without call. Okay. Which today is we record? This is national gin and tonic. Oh, it is. I think so I got an Email about it. They knew they were like who needs to hear about it. Yep. So Katie wrote, just if we're I and the pretzel episode when you said, Pennsylvania consumed, the most pretzels, I thought you said pretzel Vania and do not tell me you didn't we should have a missed opportunity. Oh pretzel. Yes. I I mean, I think they should rename the state. I that is absolutely a t shirt. I have an Email about t shirts to write to our T shirt. Humans. This vary after noon, and I am principal Pennsylvania. This is happening y'all is it going to have some kind of vampire theme. We've got to think about. Vampire, pretzels. Oh boy. They could be little like the bats with. Okay. Goodness. Anyway, we both just went to. Strange, but similar place any. Okay. All right. I'm Ron wrote. I just finished listening to your New Orleans series. And I really enjoyed it. I'm heading there in June for a large family reunion and love knowing what I'm getting into my mom grew up there in a family of ten kids. So reunion should have well over one hundred. Ooh, whole goodness. Got such a small family. Okay. I've only been there three times in my life. As I've lived in California the last time twenty years ago and the first time I was there for mardi gras. My aunt took me to some of the parades. And I would have never guessed. I would have the time of my life being out in the cold catching worthless trinkets. And yes, some of my young cousins had the box on the ladder to watch the parade. This time I'll be going out for some nice meals. My cousin works for the Brennan family. So it should be more fun than I'm used to lately at the reunion. We'll be eating publiz crawfish boils and Gumbo. I've included my aunt Ruth Gumbo. Recipe. We love recipes. Yes. Thank you. Oh, goodness. I I love this. And I I love the the catching of. Worthless trinkets because a somebody who's really really competitive and I didn't like candy like the beads at parades. Are your jam? I would fight like I would fight for candy that I knew I was just going to give away later the thrill of getting it. Like having more than everyone else. Yeah. I'm getting excited just thinking about it like was afraid I can go to not getting trouble for taking stuff away from kids. In general in Atlanta. I think you're not allowed to to toss things off of. Yeah. And they have to hand it to you as I found out one day. When I rather tips lead joined the Halloween parade in little five points. I was there. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I quickly was set. Right. I think only only one small child was vaguely emotionally upset by the experience. I still feel bad about it. I genuinely upset that. I might have upset that little girl created an enemy that day. She's plotting your demise them say tiny Princess fairy. Yes. She's real remorse. I can see it don't build whatever's super collider finger doing destroyer I would. I would print greatly prefer it. I'll come into candy gently anytime you want. We do have a lot of free candy here at the office. We do. It is sometimes it's the full size bars. And I feel like real baller. I know I look around as if this can't be true. Thanks to both of them for writing. If you would like to write to us at you can Email us Hello at saver pod dot com. We're also on social media, you can find us on Twitter Instagram and Facebook at saver pod. We do hope to hear from you safer is production of I heart radio and stuff media for more podcasts from iheartradio. Visit the iheartradio app apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Thank you as always tour super producers, Andrew Howard and Dylan Fagin. Thank you for listening. 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EP#55: Interview With An Escort
"On this episode of the Jeff. Does Vegas podcast? I would say that. I acknowledged that I've been at escort for about four years but it's probably been six altogether that I've been insects work Because it took me a long time to get to the point where I was like Kate. What you're doing is escorting. It took a long time for me to get to that journey of looking myself in the peer and admitting yes in Spanish its name means the meadows. You might know it. As the entertainment capital of the world lost wages or simply sin city. Of course talking about Fabulous Las Vegas Nevada on average forty. Two million people visit Las Vegas every year and I'm one of them. I love this city. The sights. The sounds the shows the people history. I want to share all of it with you. Taking you to the world famous Vegas Strip and beyond my name is Jeff. This is the Jeff does beg is podcast. Hey there and welcome to episode Number Fifty Five of the Jeff. Does Vegas podcast? Thank you so much hopping on board this little podcast journey to my favorite city on the planet Fabulous Las Vegas Nevada before we jump into this episode of the podcast. I want to thank my guest from the last episode of the show. Gabe Hoon solid the CO Creator and Co founder of Bet. Mingo a brand new APP that thanks to crowdsourcing provides real time info about table games in Las Vegas including betting minimums and limits. If you WANNA learn more about this amazing new APP in time for your next big spacious jump into the archives wherever you get your podcast that search out episode number fifty four no the limits or head to the website at Jaffna's bag dot com all right onto the show there's an old adage that says sex sells and I don't think there's anywhere that's more true than in Las Vegas pretty much from the moment you step off the plane at McCarron airport. You're bombar with it from almost naked showgirls on the Strip asking for photos to cab. Top advertisements for topless shows giant roadside billboards for local strip clubs to a very public escort industry. And that's where we're going this time around my guest for this episode of the podcast. Is Kate Lane? Kate is an escort in Las Vegas. She's been officially working as an escort for the last four years and has been involved in the industry in some form for approximately six years. Cates started following my podcast on twitter a few months ago so being the polite Canadian that I am. I followed her back. And when she mentioned appearing on a couple of other podcasts and a few of her tweets I reached out to her and asked if she'd be interested in coming on this show to take us behind the curtain and into her world. We talked about how she ended up living in Las Vegas. How and why? She started working as an escort. How she keeps her life as Kate separate from her real life and some of the common misconception surrounding people working in her industry and being that. This is a judgement free. Podcast where I know. People are grown ass adults capable of making their own decisions on whether or not to partake in the industry. I asked Kate to share a few etiquette tips for men who might want to spend time in the company of an escort as well as some safety tips. So that you don't end up robbed in jail or worse plays enjoy my conversation with caitlyn originally from northeastern Ohio Typically say good. I'm from Cleveland However I'm from like a very small town Within an hour's distance of of Cleveland So it's really small like four thousand people That's kind of where I grew up and Basically lived in Ohio until about ten years ago. after the market crashed Address affected my job and I was sitting in my office one day. I workout out of my home and sitting in my office in them. I'm looking outside and it's one of those days where it's like. It's just snowing like Knowing off like you can't even see the street from a window and I was sitting in my office just kind of thinking of what direction I was going to go because my job was deeply affected by the crisis and there wasn't a whole lot going on and I was trying to just come up with a new direction where I wanted to go with with my job and life and things and I'm like you know the only thing that I really WanNa do right now smooth so. I put my house for sale and decided to Florida. I was there for about a year and I had chose North West Florida Pensacola area. Basically because I have known people there. But it's kind of different places especially if you're from the north Pensacola that area of the country. Is THEY ACTUALLY CONSIDER IT Lower Alabama? I'm not and With my first my first experience with somebody calling me a Yankee so I knew that there was called to release some things that were not quite a good fit for me so I ended up dating some guy that was in the military and When he got transferred back to see in the Eggo we went to San Diego. I think if I had gone to like Fort Myers or Miami or something all would have been good but I chose the panhandle which side note. They have beautiful beaches. Still Love the place. It was just kind of a culture shock or be So I did go to San Diego. the guy and I eventually got engaged and we were going to create a life together or so I bought. I have a lot more money than him at the time My house was paid for and I was kind of living off my savings and kind of put my life on hold because he only had one more year left in the military sh so we were just going to wait out that year and moved to Vegas retire here. He was going to retire here once again. I had more money than him and he was very opportunistic so he basically drained my Akao and I don't want to say that he drained it by behind my back it was all extremely manipulative things He never took anything behind my back but it was all like for us. We'll do this. Let's I'll pay you back. That sort of thing and that. That never happened right so he came down to about six weeks before he retired. Is LIKE REMOVING VEGAS? Why don't you go first? You get your life setup outcome and soon as I retire will his intentions were never to come here so I kind of ended up in Vegas like with no job. No money no no man that was supposed to here with me and So it was tough. It's really tough I think a lot of people that move to Vegas. Have that similar story. I've been here now for about seven and a half years so Kinda my little joke that I say like nobody really moves status because like everything's going good in their life. Hey businesses going great. You know what I think I'll do. I'll move vegas. Yeah some of those people do some of those people come and get a second home and they split time here and wherever else there frahm but like the people that really move here a lot of times. They're they just left a divorce they just got out of prison. They lost their job. It's not like everything is going great. Let's moved Vegas. It's like Oh screw it now. It's a whole it's kind of a what the hell let's go to Las Vegas. Why not right right. I mean and it's the same equivalent of people who moved to Florida where it's like an AFL earn. At least the weather's good I'll hang out same thing with it. It's a terrible decision to do that without a plan. I tell people all the time because people think like I'm GonNa move to Vegas. I'll just get like a a waitressing job. Certainly that's going to be easy on now. That's very competitive. Yeah Yeah I mean you've got a you've got a city that's quite literally based on tourism and the service industry. Yeah there's not going to be anybody else trying to get a job as a as a server or a bartender there at all no right and then you don't realize that most of those jobs or a lot of are union jobs so people are retiring from those jobs. It's terrible it really is so pro tip kids for anybody that's listening and thinking. Oh move to Vegas. What's the worst that can happen? Don't just pick up and move to Vegas. Kate says don't do that definitely. Don't do that. Tough city living without a plan. No doubt so you find yourself in Las Vegas. You're on your own No job no money no plan no anything. So what's the next step? Well so my mom was. You know getting on me. You need to come home. You can stay with me like well. That's not happening so I I you know here I am and I'm like I've always been really strong and really independent and I'm like there's there's just no way that I have to back home because I had abrego right. I mean let's just use it to what it is. I just had a break so I ended up I do work outside I don't WanNa say I do here. But it's with republic and Doing the same thing that I've done. It's my eighteenth year in the in the feel But it's it's a business that I own and Brian With any self employment it takes money to make money and I didn't have any money to to you know to put in my into my best So I ended up working my butt off off to get a cocktail job And for me. It took one hundred eight applications to get that job. Wow yeah applying for jobs was my job for quite a while But I did that and I was able to get steady incomes so things were looking better for me You know things started looking up But Yeah I tailed into casino for quite a while and so then from there now. How did you end up working as an escort? Where did that decision come in? Well with the background of me having somebody who took advantage of the fact that I had more money than him something snapped in me where I was like. You know what I can choose end that I want to date. I can choose to be picky about his high. I could choose about his hair color. His I call or his physical characteristics. I could also choose to date somebody that has money. And there's no difference to me to be like you got a good job and good money because it wasn't like at the time I wasn't really trying to be a gold digger. I was trying to protect myself from getting away from these men at wanted to take advantage of me because even in Ohio Good money there too and most of the people I dated made less than it was always like. I don't know I guess and I feel like I'm so much giving person I don't think about it when somebody's taking advantage of me so it's usually like. In retrospect it's like Oh damn you know so I started dating I'm trying to get my business back in order cocktail in a couple of days a week and I start dating and On these websites and some of them were were normal sites but I was also on sugar daddy sites and I started eighty these men that had like a lot of money and I mean like private planes and bentleys and You know more money than I could even really imagine. And it was cool. I mean like yes sure. Come and pick me up in your career. Let's go out. This is that sounds awesome to me. It really was fun but coming from the Midwest and coming from a small town in Ohio was like. Oh Wow we're dating or we're seeing you know I'm probably were probably going to be exclusive. But this time would add that that exclusively was never going to happen and it was just basically like. Hey I'll call you the next time. Tau We'll go out. We'LL ALL HAVE SIGN. We'll probably may or may not have sex probably But then then I'll just there's nothing between now and the next time I'm here in town so I got real fed up with that pretty quickly and it was like you know what they only want sex. They're GONNA wind you. They're going to dine you and they're gonNA they're they're just sex at the end so at whatever point. I was just like I'm only gonNA play their game. I'm going to beat them after the game right it. Just it just got got old real fast now and and it was like they tell you everything they wanted you to hear They thought you wanted to hear just to get you in bed and then it was like okay. Thanks why hope you had a really good good time. Because I bought you a couple of Martinis in a nice meal at a Nice Restaurant. That doesn't pay your bills. No matter how many Martinez no matter. How many fine dining just doesn't right so I am the sugar daddy sites? I was there and For me I was there a couple of years. And there's a whole dynamic in that world where and I was the same way why. I'm not an escort. I'm not doing sex work. I'm just looking for a sugar. Daddy you know at this sugar daddies and the sugar babies they both are in this mindset of. We're escort being. I would never hire an escort. The guys would say well. That's what you're doing but you're hiring. Wi with your terms because I in that world. It's probably the only world Online where the women outnumber the men so the men kind of are able to to run the show. They hold the shots there like while. I'll see you but you know if you WANNA go to dinner and we'll have drinks before dinner. Maybe it will gamble. Maybe we'll do whatever and it'd be like a whole night and they'd be a while he is light three hundred bucks which you're like. Well Hello. I'm I'm working my butt off on a smoky casino floor. That three hundred dollars is good until you see what escorts are getting. And they're not putting up with the bullshit that the sugar answer given so. I've been an escort for. It's really hard to say I would say that. I acknowledged that. I've been at escort for about four years but it's probably been six altogether that I've been insects work Because it took me a long time to get to the point where I was like Kate. What you're doing is escorting. It took a long time for me to get to that journey. Yup looking myself in here and admitting it it's such a stigmatized word that nobody wants to release admit it but once you do you take the power back in your life now. I'm not putting up with that. Do you WanNa see me right. My rates or the for however many hours but when I was able to finally admit that is when I took that power back I was gonNA say when you when you reach that point. That that's gotta be somewhat again as you say as you put it empowering that you can say okay. Yeah this is what I'm doing and you know what I'm I'm happy to be doing this. I'm proud of what I'm doing and here I am absolutely and yeah it's very liberating. I wished that I wouldn't have spent those years in that gray area because I'm not. I'm not at all ashamed of what I'm doing. I think that it's a service. It some people really need spending time with me for some of my clients is amazing to them and it's a journey to them and it it allows them to be a person that they're not with the people that they're typically around whether it be that they're always working or they have a loveless marriage or whatever It gives them something. It's it's like getting a massage. You know it feels good so when you made the decision to become an escort did you reach out to any other girls or reach out to anybody else in the industry for Any kind of support or Tips on how to be involved in the business did. Did you reach out to anybody else for any cut out? I didn't I did a lot of research I spent a lot of time. I read it. I spent a Lotta Time Google bling Reading articles things like that but no. I didn't know anybody that was doing it. Except for one of my girlfriends I had a girlfriend That was the stripper. She truly was a stripper. She worked at a COUPLA clubs in town But she would need guys online she would meet guys out on tinder and fumble and plenty of fish and She would say oh. I would love to see you tonight but I have to work. I work at the club and I make five hundred dollars. Ninety in in the guys would just be like well. I'll just pay five hundred if you WANNA spend the time with me. So she she kinda had a hostel So her and I were friends. We work together. We cocktail together but I didn't want to do things the way she was doing it because she was putting her soft but a lot of safety jams like she. She called me anyone and was like. Hey. I'm in Utah in Salt Lake at this guy's house can you google him and I'm like why the Hell didn't you? Why why do you figure out with this guy was before you went there? I feel I feel like that's that was done in the reverse order of the way things should have been done right. Yeah just a little bit. So she's like tech significant. Call me and she's like can you? Google and I googled ham and like like it wasn't even like an in-depth background check. It literally was Google. I put his name in Google and it comes up that he spent all this time in central prison because he he was supposedly land developer will he had bought he had he had sold this condo project out to people like he was taking all of these pre orders on these condos like fifty eight right like like he did this to fifty eighty all they all put deposits on it and he didn't even own the land she said she. So she's she's texting me at. I'm like girl you've got to get out of here this yourself over get to the airport. Get Out of his house Lee. Now if she's like I'm not leaving without my money. Who Do you think you are? I can't fifty out of these does and you're five foot. Oneself is going to demand money. No just leave God so her and I were friends but I didn't WanNa do things the way that she did so I just did a lot of research and then it was like I. Hello Google how do I do? I build an escort site at and I mean I done site building and things like that with my other business so I for me. I applied a lot of the principles from what I do enroll other life to kate. And that's how I run it. I mean it really doesn't matter if you're selling a widget or if you're selling time you're still sales person what happens when I'm on. Adi is a little bit different But I would say seventy percent of your time doing all sorts of other things rather than just have a date. I've been on dates. I can do that so it was more the marketing on the the backside of of at all the Admin work which I'm I'm guessing his just as thrilling for this business as it is for any other business. Yeah and you have to do all that because it is a business. You know you you have to do all of that account. You have to do schedule. You have to update your website. You have to. It's a lot so you've you've mentioned that you have a life outside of Kate and you have another job and another business that you you're involved with. How do you keep kate separate from quote unquote real life? How do you? How do you maintain that double identity while I try not to over think it. I would say the eighteen years that I've done my other job. There's been periods where that's all I've done. Business was really good. That's all it's time but there was a lab periods where it was like. The the things aren't going so well the economy's not going so al might have to do something else you know. We're like Bart than your whatever comes So there's a lot of Compartmentalization that goes on in my life. But it's not much different than what I did when I did. My main job and bartended or cocktail that on the side. You know when I was bartending. Your family that's what I was when I was doing my other job in business suit. That's what I did I. I wasn't a cocktail waitress to like that uniform on F I typically. It was a bit difficult because I had this like Holy Shit. I'm an escort you know and it was always in the back of my mind like what you're doing this and it's like yeah but your little voice inside but I'm an escort now. I mean at some point that you just have to call them. That thought thought doubt. You're not an escort right now when you're working on a spreadsheet you know you're just a business person. It was a lot of. Let me let me do this in this thought in this action in this task back in its box and then I'll open up another box in work on this so you kind of conscious. We have to go okay. I'M GONNA file this backs away until it's time to pull this box out when I'm with my friends that don't Know Kate. We don't talk about key. Things does that I mean does that. Make it hard in in life to not have those stories just kind of I guess slip out. I mean. I've been a little bit behind the curtain hanging out with female friends that start talking about dating and relationships and dates that they've been on bad weird situations strange stuff that guys have done. Have you ever had a situation where you've been out with those girlfriends and all the sudden a story from from a client just Kinda boop slips out into the conversation I have had that I generally just say like oh I was that with this guy. I know or friend or something like that and I'll tell a funny story. The weirdest thing is I am a guy friend that I work closely with in my business and I know him and his wife and were were all closed but I probably closer friendship wise with him so he swears up and down that his his wife does not know Kate but I'm pretty sure he's told her all about all this living this lie but like I told him story Abou Somebody I had seen his kate and it was pretty funny so he tells his wife is. She's like I I heard about that date you were on. It wasn't like complementary to the to the to the gentleman or myself but it was funny and I'm like Oh dear God I hope she does state that. That actually happened in my real life. I will never now. I mean I'm assuming I imagine you. You maintain a certain level of discretion. I know on your social media photos that you have of yourself. You don't show your face or anything like that is is there ever that concern that you're going to be out in public somewhere spotted by a past client that that you know do you? I'm assuming you have those ground rules or you. Just don't acknowledge it or or how do you? How do you handle it if that that happens? Never had that happen yet. I've thought about it. I see on twitter. Where people have that happened in their life. Public Service announcement. If you see me do not address me. You Know I. I've not had that happen. I hope that that doesn't happen. I just recently had an experience couple months back where I suppose that I should have been so shocked but I had met a mutual friend for dinner and that other people that I didn't know and I didn't think that they knew me but we started talking about twitter and they were like. Oh my God. You're kate and I like. I wanted to crawl into a hole because it was the first Stein that somebody knew me. That wasn't like somebody that booked me right but I have a lot of followers so I don't know why this big shock to me like there's a lot of people that interact with the daily basis or at least seamy online but it it was. I was like Oh my God you know who I am in their life. Yeah we follow you or not like no shit. That's pretty cool like bad so I don't know maybe I was naive about the whole. You know if you have five hours eventually. Somebody's GonNa know who you are. Someone's GonNa find you and shoot you that knowing glance across the table at some point. Yeah in the guy had said. I very rarely post pictures on twitter account anyway but You know there's pictures of me on my website and he's like a and I have. I have a tattoo but it's on my torso and that's the only tattoo it's large but it's I don't have anything anywhere else in the is like you know if you would have been wearing something to show your Tattoo. I would have. I would have known exactly who you were. Let slide show it like you take me to the pool or getting naked so I mean some of your friends are aware of Kate and of that that persona. What about family do any of your family members know at all that I know of now I shall? I struggle with it from time to time because I'm not a very good liar and I don't like lying and I'm I'm I've always been a extremely open person even with like a stranger. I'm like Yeah I've been there too. I know how you feel you. I'm like like I'm totally open and talkative and and if I do something that I think is funny and it would be some people with like never repeat. I'm like you're not GonNa believe what I did like. I totally open so this has been like. It's a challenge for me because I want to tell the people that I love like. This is what I did this. This is my life in here here IAM but in reality. Some people can't handle that you know and in doing by society for the most part then on the other hand there's people in my life that they wouldn't think any less Sydney for doing it. In fact they know my personality and they know who? I am so they're probably like you should have done this all along but I don't I don't also want to. I don't want to worry them. You know like I don't WanNa tell my mom. Hey Mom by the way your daughter your pride and joy like your flesh and blood by the way I'm gonNA score like. That's not the proudest moment. But it's not. It's not that it's not something that I'm not proud of because I absolutely am. Society stigmatized the media stigmatized. It you get this pretty woman type. A picture in your head or streetwalkers. Even my feet and my close friend that. I just talked about when I first started. He was like you know what I was going to do. Because he thinks that. I'm like naive or whatever he's like you know what I'm GonNa do is GonNa send you an email set you up the see if you screamed people properly and I was like if you ever think of doing that. We won't be friends anymore. You need to trust safe about myself. But like back to my mom like she wouldn't hate She walks the hell. Outta me like her. But I don't ever want to tell her because she liked it. She has a flight in the morning. She's not gonNA sleep not because she thinks the plane is GonNa go down but because she's not going to get her perfect seat on her southwest flight. She if she is -iety over that like she's not going to be able to sleep because she thinks I'm putting myself in harm's way and I don't want her to. I don't want that it on her conscience. I should as people don't need to know everything that you deal. You know that he was also a journey. Because I've always been really open with all my friends and it's like this is Kinda my sex life and they don't need to know about it and I don't tell them a intricate workings of my day to day business you know. They don't know all of that. They know what I do periods so they also know that kate single and kate goes on date. So that's all they need to know. I was just GonNa ask you if you maintain any kind of dating relationships or anything outside of of the Kate World and and do you know you know Jeff. I ask all the tough questions kate. I ask all the difficult ones. It's hard for me to want to have the conversation right and I don't WanNa be with somebody who doesn't know me fully animals so kind of a lazy person when when when I had the opportunity so I haven't dated outside of Kate since I've been kate but that's GonNa Change because I'm not always kate and I do want to date though. It just seems like for me. I'm like I don't know how I'm GonNa Broach the. There's a lot of people a lot of girls that I met a lot of people that I follow on twitter. Who have hull healthy relationships out of experts and it's just a job but I'm not not dating I mean part of it is because of Kate but I've always been kind of into my work and I don't call we say relationships you know one of my girlfriends the other day said because we were talking about dating and I said Yeah. I think I'm going to start dating. And she goes for as long as I've known he was always been you. I don't know how I feel about you with somebody else at Atlantic right meaner. I don't really know how to put this into words. I'm from the Midwest it's really structured in like you know you you go to high school you might go to college. You do whatever but by the time. You're like twenty five. You're married and have obeyed ray and I'm like that is never worked for me. That's that's no good So but I still have those midwestern value. So I'm like I'm not really sure that I'm like Amorous like hey babe all. You're going out with your girlfriend today. Okay cool because that takes a really strong person and I'm going to admit that I don't know if I'm that strong right but I also don't really want to be with like one person all the time or their pressed my life. That sounds terrible. Easy all I know is like I'm in Vegas. I'm not in Midwest Ohio. Where four thousand people in the town. So people are a lot more open. Minded and sex work is becoming more mainstream. I believe and I do want to talk about life as as a sex worker and I think we've hit on a couple of these points. There's a lot of common misconceptions about sex work and sex workers. I think you mentioned. There's certain stigmatization and stereotypes. Everybody kind of believes that everyone working in sex work is being exploited and has a pimp and is is abused in his victims of sex trafficking. I'm sure there's some of that out there but that is not a hundred percent the case is it now not at all You know there. There are people that are exploited in traffic. And things like that. But there's a whole lot of us. It got into sex work because we wanted to be here. There are a lot of misconceptions One of my favorites is no little girl. Wants to grow up to be a sex worker. you know that campaign is south there for the The no little girl campy and a I'm here to say that it's bullshit I remember being on the bus when I was probably. I don't know maybe like sixth or seventh grade and I remember specifically being on the bus with one of the kids and I was like any good vivier trophy wife for on going to be an escort you know and and I I like to this day. Remember sitting on the boss. I was like I. I was weighing the pros and cons. Like counting off on my fingers. Why you know took me a long time to get there. I chose to do this. I want to do this and when it goes back to thinking about dating like. Whoever whoever I'm going to date is going to not have a problem. Those other misconceptions I think a lot of people are like oh I don't know when he sex workers wrong. We all known sex worker. And I'm not just saying that is I'm a sex worker. Is Sex workers come from all sorts alive? Every kind of person out there. Is You know every type of people that you mean. There's probably a sexual regret in the mix and and We're there's no unique type And I don't just mean physically. I mean like all walks alive. Professional People People from for people that are grew up wealthy. You know it's It's not just a survival thing Some people lack. I mean I didn't see in Peop- people on twitter where they're like. I hit the lottery I would still be a sex worker. You know It's an enjoyable things to do that again. That kind of comes back to the common misconceptions that people think that people are being forced into it. And as you know as we you and I both said there's obviously there is some of that out there right but there's a large percentage of people involved in the industry that are there because they it absolutely if I were to go out on a date in my normal life you know. Maybe we'll we'll have a couple of drinks stadium. We go to dinner or whatever they use that an average person and I'm thinking their average person but when you have people that are coming to town specifically to be you and they seen snippets of my face or my body or pictures or they thought. Allow me on twitter like very excited to meet you. He now they plan a date out in. It's like we're GONNA HAVE COCKTAILS WE'RE GONNA go to the spine. Dining place were GONNA do this. They spent some time together. Like your jacked up on adrenaline. That you don't get arts day so it's hard to go back to reality where it's like. Hey you wanna go have a beer old. You know what I mean. It's it's a lot of. It's a lot of first dates but I ain't searchable exciting dates because you're on you're you're you're you're not like oh. I have acid reflux right now like nobody ever tells me that. There's there's no there's no I'm going to go in the can and drop do so. I'll be back in ten. Got A book. There's none of that when they're on a date you well. There has been. Yeah but yeah I mean everybody's on their boss behavior so it's a whole lot of her stains with a whole lot of people who are all on your best behavior like as you don't get that like on plenty as you talked briefly a little bit earlier about your safety. I would imagine I mean you're obviously you WANNA stay safe. You WanNa you WANNA have a safe time. You want to make sure the people that are coming to see you are are the right people that should be coming to see you. How do you manage your safety? You mentioned screening. You do some screening in advance any other ways that you manage your safety. Somebody always knows where I am. I go to personal residences. I don't go to write some kind of off strip no-name hotel Most every most of my dates are in public at least for meeting But I'm not going to like you know the days in on X. Y. Z. Street you're not going to Siegel. Suites is what you're saying. God No no. No anything feels weird. I leave I don't i. I really not had the problem because I do require people to give me real world information and I I do have the luxury of turning dates down sometimes. Cape does pay the bills. But I have to go on any days If I don't want to it doesn't feel right to me like if if somebody's not forthcoming with their information or I feel that they're not being open. I simply don't see them. I would say that. Yeah I'm I try to say is that doesn't mean that it's foolproof. You know somebody can snap or somebody could something could get through. I hope that it doesn't I used to do skip tracing so I feel like I'm pretty good at background checks but you know there could be a time. We're not and it doesn't matter late There are people who don't have a criminal record. That could be criminal but yeah for the most part. I feel like everything's city so I guess the other thing that everybody's always curious about is what's the sort of common date for. You is a lot of social time is a lot of personal time is at private time. Is that combination thereof? I mean I'm assuming you've probably been able to go to some great restaurants. See some great shows and and just basically meet some amazing people. Yeah You know mix I think difference between my dating in Las Vegas and the dating that I've done as he is that when I was dating for myself personally I was seeing very wealthy people and now I see more of a mix of people there are some that are that are wealthy and then there are some other that are just like I'm treating myself and they're an everyday average Joe who has saved up for it so some of my clients that that do better than others will go a long date. I've had I have twenty four hour days. Needs a weekend dates You know other times like some of my clients will save up. We may only have a ninety minute date. So it's a it's a mixture of what of what we do I prefer to be more of an experience rather than I just got together with Keeton. Whatever so I. I prefer dates that verb two hours longer because I still feel like you want to deliver a very good experience and I feel like if it's under two hours. It's Kinda hard to do that and talk a you know. A lot of people are nervous and I. I think I probably talked to overcompensate for their nervous but I need a Lotta guys who were like. Maybe a bit socially awkward and they take like. They're they're probably never going to go out to dinner because that would be hard for them to think about what they have to talk about but they really realize that. I'll just talk to them about anything. You know like the nerves for before you me and then once you get there. It's really not. I think people like you're my old friend and were just catching up so when I meet somebody that's always how I go into a day. How have you been? How're you doing this and that I'm not gonNA act like it's the first time I met you? I never do that. That's the awkward for me right. You know what because a lot of people I get most of my dates from twitter because so many people follow me there. They feel like they kind of know me. They need be which I guess helps while I would imagine from in following you on twitter and seeing the stuff that you share and you would. You would get to know a person that way. You'd get to know their sense of humor. You'd get to know their their likes and their dislikes and and kind of get a little feel for their personalities so I can see I can see how that would be an advantage for sure. Can you imagine back in the day when people would pick an escort outta the yellow pages were they? Let's take her for them. I have no idea any experiences that really stand out in your head from the world of Kate. I mean good. Experiences are fun but of course the the really weird ones are the are the real wants to hear about you now. I would love to be able to tell you that I had some really messed up experiences when it's just not like that. There's we're breaking or stigmas here with that. I guess but it really just is not like that All of my really crazy dating stories have and I have outlined in a chat in in a file on my computer by chapters case. I write the book that I want all of my Gracie the dating stories were all done personally. I feel like everybody's on really good behavior. It's like it's like they've paid for this date and they don't want to screw it up and they have it like I. I've met some people that I'd had dates with some people that I definitely wouldn't see again But nothing super crazy that sticks out that was like man that was messed up But I have about thirteen chapters listed Civil eighth that I may actually some sometime. Write that book. I would read that book just as an aside just so you're aware I would one hundred per said read that book before I let you run. I WanNa talk a little bit about the sex industry sex worker industry. I guess in Las Vegas Totally judgment free. I mean it's their people are are doing it. People are partaking in it and being involved in it from a client side of things. Do you have any tips for guys who who want to book? Time WITH AN ESCORT. And he safety tips. That you can share any etiquette tips that you'd care to share. How can a guy make sure that he's not going to get rob things like that? Okay I would always try to find whoever you're going to see on lie. You need to find somebody who has an online presence who has a decent website. Somebody who isn't just like a couple of pictures and a phone number I'm at saying that they're not credible. They could be young they could be survival sex workers they could be new Everybody does start somewhere but if you really want to to ensure your safety find somebody that has a strong online presence. These are people's life and jobs and and they don't they don't want to jeopardize it so there's a lot of people who men who WanNa say like oh I can't give you my real world information I'm married. I don't want you to out me. No sex workers going out you know credible sex worker are girls that are working with pimps that that will rob you and do things absolutely. It happens I've heard horror stories from my clients. So don't get on those those CD websites because there are good ones out there to find people who have a long-standing good reputation. I said before that I worked in the casino when I worked in a casino. I was not kate but I did see security often running the girls out. I've worked a lot of graveyards ships. Were you know? Even on my floor serving drinks I would see the girls working and their pimps there. I mean I wouldn't want to work for somebody who is supporting somebody else's business Security at the casinos used to tell us they're like we don't have a problem with the escorts we don't we don't have a problem with that but when the when guys are picking them up in the. Casino and granted. I've never I've never worked as a casino girl so I'm only telling you what what security told me as as a casino employee. But they're like we don't. We don't have a problem that somebody's going to go back to their room and have sex. We don't care but we don't want somebody picked up in our bars being drugged in their watches stolen. So that's why we run them all right. I mean it's no different than like it's twenty twenty. Who the Hell's picking up their boyfriends and somebody that they're taking home in a bar. That's not safe either so I wouldn't do it No shame to the girls that are because some of them really are just out there trying to survive and and got I hope they make it but it would be very scary for me as kate to pick somebody up go back into their room and not know the hell they are styrofoam and I mean as a guy. I've had that experience of sitting at a bar or sitting at a slot machine and having the girls come up and talk to you and I mean I. I'm always very polite and I'm always very nice. You know thank you but I mean I have left casinos because of extremely pushy girls. I often tell my friends. I joke about being at the Venetian night and playing at about two o'clock in the morning and like the three girls coming up one right after the other and I'm like girls. I'm playing the penny slots I've got like four dollars in here. What what do you think if I give you four dollars? Will you just leave me alone? I'm just I'm just trying to play Buffalo slots that's all. I'm trying to do here. There's nothing worse than working graveyard shift at the Casino and having that they had damn Buffalo Jingle go off at four o'clock in the morning is low forever. Be In my head but yeah I need I sing. I mean I'm sure that a lot of those girls are just finding I I just I'm just only saying what the what the security in the casino that I worked at said I mean I respect their hustle but I also know that you know between that and and some agencies that have a little less not as good of a reputation as others. You can get yourself into some jams. I've had I've had clients who didn't know what they wanted to do but never saw escort before and they decided they were. GonNa Come Vegas. And they were going to hire an escort and they went through an agency in there like damn. Do you know what that cost at the time it was over? We didn't we didn't even do anything. And it was three thousand dollars on like Geez. I'm like that's like a twelve hour date for even longer. It'll keep you know only the inflight. It's it's a certain fee to come to your room and then it's a certain fee for this or certain. I don't know I've never been one of those girls but it's a lot of tacking on and off just trying to just trying to you. Know run you rate right? Do you have any etiquette tips for guys that that do decide? They WANNA try to to book an escort. Yeah very simple your find somebody online. I mean most girls are online means stays read their website. Everything that you want a year everything that you need to know. Is there so Read there s. Read their website Generally most girls will want you to fill out of screening form or send them an email with with certain information there. Send that all to them. Don't make it to where it's like. Hi I wanna see you so you wait for an email back. Windy WanNa see me. Will I wanna see now just like your setting up a time with somebody for a business meeting? Do it like that not like. Hey Jeff. Can we get together sometime? Yeah Jeff when are you GONNA BE INTEL? Well beyond tell me states. Good what do you WANNA see? You don't make it like pulling teeth right. Put All your facts together. Put together a nice introduction and just go from there just up front direct honest polite right professional exactly interest. Just know that the five hundred dollars to one thousand dollars that some escorts GonNa make off if you for spending time with her like. It's not worth jeopardizing your reputation to do anything with your real world. Information always just remember that screening is for safety We WanNa be comfortable in your presence. We WanNa make sure that we're going to go home to our loved ones at NFL. It is. It's not intrusive because we want to know everything about you and tell your boss neighbor's wife kids everything we don't want to do that. We don't really care who you are. We just want to know ruin. You are so we know that we're safe right right. Well Kate I do want to say thank you very very much for taking the time to jump on the podcast with me to talk about this and talk about your world. It's such a huge part of the Las Vegas seen that. I thought it would be interesting for my listeners. To to bring people behind the curtain. And you've done an absolutely incredible job of that so again I say. Thank you for taking the time to to chat with me today again. I really do appreciate it. Thanks for having me. You may have noticed that something. Kate night didn't discuss in. Our conversation was the legality surrounding escorts and prostitution in Las Vegas in the interest of full disclosure. I did ask Kate if she wanted to cover that topic. And she declined. She said she wasn't really comfortable talking about it in that. She's not a legal expert and didn't want to risk giving out any inaccurate information if you're interested to find out for yourself. There's a fair bit of Info available online from various legal sources including multiple las vegas-based law firms. I would however caution against doing that search on the family laptop or your work computer and that closes out yet. Another episode of the PODCAST. If you've got feedback on this episode of the show or any other episode for that matter or perhaps you're looking for suggestions for your own Vegas vacation on where to stay where to eat what to see or what shows to check out. Please feel free to reach out to me via facebook twitter or instagram. At Jeff Does Vegas. You can also drop me an email directly at Jeff. Jeff DOES VEGAS DOT COM in the meantime thank you so much for checking out the show. We shared subscribe for free. Wherever you get podcast. So you'll know the moment new episodes are available and don't forget to visit. 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Key West (Part Two)
"This is a head gum. Podcast previously on the complete guide to everything so last week. I went to key west Tele really. Yeah talk about it. Sure he's at all you got. No I have more to more to say. Oh hello and welcome to the complete guide to everything a podcast about everything I'm one of your host. Tom And I'm ten Tim. How're you doing this week? I how you're doing last week. Let's hear hey you're doing this week. Well I asked you. I guess I asked you every weekend. Doing yeah well this week different Tim. How're you doing feeling very brave? Wise that 'cause I went to the doctor? Oh Yeah and you know what during a pandemic? Yeah I mean. That's that wasn't briefed. My doctor was is a new doctor. I have a new doctor interest change careers last week. He was a lawyer now. Last week he was like Professional Naysayer seems like mad pandemic. Ebc. She did not WanNa hear it really. Yeah so I don't know I just sciences out. Yeah I choose to believe him right. Well that's the easiest thing to believe that everything's fine. When's the last time you had a shot? I don't know but I think vaccine right. Yeah I think somewhat recently because I remember being asked that in during the last few years and being like Oh tell me how long they last and I'll tell you if I need another one or not. And how long does it last ten years and I was like oh I don't think so. Good bad if you give me another one. That's that's what I asked. And they were like no but when was it as a? I don't know it was at at like at least seven years ago. Probably you'll be fine so they gave me tell them. How many rusty fences you climb though that was disclosed earlier in. That's why you were there. Multiple injuries from climbing a rusty fence as part of the five percent of what But guess what every ten here. So now they're just like now you know. Yeah it's going to be easy. Twenty twenty twenty thirty. Oh yeah there you go but that'll be the last hell there's going to be anything after even twenty thirty is being a little optimistic but I got blood drawn and I never used to be a guy that was like skinny flood. Never used to be a guy that let somebody take his blood. No I used to give blood all the time and then leaving at people that didn't want it. Yeah when generous man They're take a bag of blood sometimes. Not even in the bag. Sometimes it's a pint glass. That's good easy. Everything in their poor in if you need some and they today I'm just GonNa. I'm just GonNa not be skittish about this. You've always been skittish. No I I used to not be okay and then I feel like once I hit I think my late twenties. I realized that I wasn't immortal. Like larger than most people do thought so one day. Somebody's GonNa take enough blood that I di- exactly and today like I just had to trust the physicians assistant and be like. Lek if she I'm going to trust her to take only what she needs right. And no not even going to live as much as you need right okay. So you did say to her. I just asked once in in in. Follow up okay. Did you ask wall. She was taking the blood no oh shit reminded her now. I was paralyzed with fear while she. I was afraid that my arm would move slightly in the needle would break off into my which I was realizing. Today they put that thing in like two millimeters. It's not GonNa do anything one time. I was Giving blood and they like didn't Tape it online or something I kept falling and twisting the needle in my on and this was like a blood donation not like drawing blood so that those are the big needles on that heard a lot when a needle gets turned inside your man. Yeah it was giving blood one time and The person administering it with telling somebody else about her divorce proceedings that were happening and she put the needle in the wrong and I was just like excuse me. She's like it's GonNa hurt a little bit. It's it's a needle and she'll get out in for the whole bone marrow for a week. My arm was all black and blue all the way up so it happened with this to like. Yeah you're you get black and blue real easy if beetles are in your face wrong. I guess it makes sense. Let's hear recently about. They got something where they can. Put a needle in your muscle and make it better. I don't know what shock it maybe give it a little shock. What are you what like if you got like sore muscles. Oh Yeah I don't know I don't know we're GONNA have to ask at the hospital. I work at see if they can tell me more about it. Yeah Yeah so very brave at the doctor. They delisting now. They've always done this but they're like we're GONNA need your urine. Sir and I was like I beg your marketing now. But they they're like you need to fill up this test tube and this test to maybe not test yeah. Jeez that's like oh just a little tubes and they they gave you a cup and a large eyedropper thing. Oh I don't like I was in the bathroom stall and it was like a mad scientist. Yeah and it was. It was a public S- restroom. Turn your your during goal. I had to leave the doctor's office Go into the bathroom in a hallway. Yeah this is like some building in office but there are other offices like an office park type thing. Yeah and I an office building. I think they're called. We'll check on that windiest others one stall in here. Stalin a urinal and head to like there was no like table or anything said to like pee into this cup and then like get out the tubes. Get out the eyedropper and you know it took a few moves. It wasn't just like suck it up and put it in there right Yeah that wasn't enough yet to multiple times and I had to do it for two of them. It was a whole big mess and the a whole big mess little bit you know. Hopefully they're wiping things down more frequently. Sure does you didn't it? Sounds like how are you this week? I'm good the last time I to urinate and a cup parole officer. No I did have to do that. when I tried to get a job at Coca Cola. That's why were they. The The lady was like I'm supposed to watch you urinate. Yeah and make sure you don't like switch it out or purview. Wants me to watch you know it was like an independent. This wasn't a Coca Cola. Play watching the Is that like a God forbid you besmirched the reputation of the company. I like their drinks. I like their union policies. Why I've talked a long time ago. I think about how dangerous places where literally I was waiting in the Office for the interview and they had a sign up. That said this many days without accidents and it's at zero which meant the other hadn't been a day without an aisin and literally as I'm looking at that sign a Guy Russia's down the hallway is like one of those fire no one is one of those offices were like they have windows looking into the hallway like George Castanza's in when he worked for the Yankees. Okay Yeah Yeah So. I see three people rushing down the hallway. It's two people helping another person who has blood gushing out of their mouth knows something like a lot of blood though what happened to I. Don't know but like literally the person interviewing you just close the blinds or that saying anything no literally right after that. The Guy Interviewing me walks by and walks in. And he's like hello. I'm I'm John Nice meet you. He has a an eye patch like a permanent. I patch like he had lost his is somehow. It could've been anywhere but presumably this very dangerous Coca Cola plan and it seemed like accident happened at constantly and then they sent me down the Road to pee in a cup and the lady was like. I'M SUPPOSED TO WATCH YOU PEE I. I don't WanNa do that. Do you want me to do this like no. I'd prefer non. She's like all right. Don't do any. Don't be a jerk. Don't swap out the urine and they like turn off the sink from the outside. I don't completely understand why that is. I was like do they. Do some people. Just FILL UP. The Cup of water throws your is. This is the cleanest urine ever seen. Yeah I'm not entirely sure but I was GONNA say Lot of floor. Don't get me started on the floor and in the wind That's why I never got a jet. That's why I was rejected for a job at blockbuster video because the floor in the water no I always tested positive for Florida. Had a kiosk where you Italian apply for a job right most high-level jobs hiring and they're like would you submit to a drug test. That's like Tommy Reynolds. Had TO WATCH SOME LADY ONE WEEKS OF LADY WATCHING. P No drug test for me. And they're like thank you. You're not hired and I was like Ash. That's what a drug I would say and so it was onto it into like. I'll go to the blockbuster in West islip if they have a different policy and and they're like will you take a drug test. I was like yes and then they're like. Oh you're already in our system you know you're you're not hired that's thing yeah You could have been. You could have saved that company. Maybe I feel people it's probably just missed Algebra But I really enjoyed walking around blockbuster. Like movie no. I watched a youtube video where these guys went to the last blockbuster. It's not in Alaska. A lot of people think that. But it's not idiots right Washington state or Oregon. Something like that But they went to the last one and They had like all new movies and everything and they were talking about. How they miss that like going to blockbuster and be like all right. We can rent one. Maybe two movies. Let's take everything into account And Yeah now. We're on the opposite end with the Netflix and Hulu and all that. But that's like you scroll endlessly and then you put something on and within three minutes. You're like Anna like this. You're not going to give anything shots same with the streaming music. Yeah well the new record and you're like this isn't immediately amazing right and that's why people are making music to that. You have to hook the people within the first five seconds yeah Early Nineteen Ninety eight. I paid nineteen dollars for this. I'm going to listen to this album at least one hundred times. Try even if it sucks and eventually I will like it hurt it enough but I was gonna say the last time I had to do a urine test at a doctor. I'm like I always p before I get to the doctor's office and he's got a little tank well. This was the first time that I remembered like day dummy. Don't pee before you get there because they're going to ask you to pee in a cup so I didn't and then I too much appea- and now it's like. Oh no I got like stop. I gotTa Stop Bullying. Were you in the bathroom? Yeah Yeah you should probably do. Continue doing your container to put. I don't WanNa deal like switch quick enough. I didn't trust myself to stop for like a second. Get the Cup out of the way and do the rest in the toilet and then like also didn't feel comfortable bringing a cup in that was filled to the brim of with P. I think that probably would have might have said something like Oh. We didn't need this much. That's what you're getting did she go. Oh Wow really impressed. No I wish she did. I had a feeling she wasn't going to be like that all right Tim Last week we talked about a little bit of my vacation. The first vacation. I've Haddon probably a decade at least didn't realize that. Yeah like I've every other trip I've been on as either been like a long weekend. That hasn't been very far more. Is that some kind of a work element to yeah yes. I've travelled a lot. I've taken a lot of days off to go to the UK with you right which is not a vacation. It's not one for me either. Yeah it's Nice for the first day or two but it's not a vacation. Yeah and we've done shows and other cities were it's like. Oh we get to see a little the city. This is nice but it's not a vacation. It's not a let me put on my Tommy Bahama shorts and a nice Panama Jack Hat and and lay back and enjoy myself. But this was one of those times Can you tell me what a refresh my end the listeners? Memories about What I what I went over last week. You just didn't know preparation for this. I have a ton of notes by forget. Did I only talk about the only talked about the ghost tours? Al And that you went on a glass bottom boat because bottom boats make the rock and roll world go round and I got seasick little seasick on that. Dan mentioned that. Yeah you did okay. And he made it seem. You had this whole explanation about how you got seasick your brain's not simplistic the ocean floor or something. I don't know now that my head was down so I wasn't like looking at the horizon so for like a longtime that's what makes you seasick that your eyes are looking at. It's like everything's fine but your brains like now man. It's not fine. We're moving around a lot. Do you know why we throw up like when we get motion sickness or like too drunk is because the body thinks we've been poisoned really because basically like your eyes are giving different information your inner ear. See your is. We're not moving in her areas. Like like hell. We're not moving. I feel it. We're moving and it goes. We've been poisoned again. Get rid of everything. And that's why we puke I kind of miss the days when you could poison people really easy. You can't no no. They always find out. Wait you when were the days? When you medieval times spool easing each weren't around. Then I thought you meant buster and then come home and poison my enemies. Now it's like a million times people just yell you'd look at some fame back in a poison that guy the perfect crime because no it was the perfect crime nobody could. They didn't know about science or anything they'd open up somebody in Bagwell now they got all guts. What poison would would you use? I don't know some hemlock yeah you only know that because Who is it socrates? Plato killed himself with it. Turns OUT. I don't know that Tim let me continue on. My Star. Studded vacation wasn't star so stars. Where there well I did go to judy. Blume's bookstore that she owns which she with us. Yeah she works at the bookstore. Four days a week really. Yeah and he went one of the days that she wasn't there she was going to be there later. That night they said She's eighty years old. Maybe even older now she was eighty. I think a few years ago. Did you go in there and say you hear Judy Blume? It's me Tom. That's Me God. No and actually A friend of the show. Andrew Gregory told me that When he and his wife went there they she was there and like multiple people. Were like. Judy you have to take a break like you've been working all day There's like a nice thing right to retire and be like open up a bookstore. Yeah and It seemed like everybody at work. She's ruthless do you think she like drove all the other bookstores at a business. Now 'cause I went in another bookstore right before then No it was like a little bit of a weird books to not weird. It only had like pretty new books like it had no use books but then even like everything. It didn't have a huge selection. And everything curated by Judy blume. That's what you want. Yeah it was all basically new releases For the most part But yeah she wasn't there The store seemed mostly staffed by like retired women Which again is like? Oh that's nice like Mary Higgins Clark there as far as I know it wasn't other Grafton it wasn't other authors no I was I heard a guy at the registers like I came is. My Wife told me it. Pick up this book in He's like okay and she's ringing them up and somebody else asked if Judy was there that day and she's like no she'll be in later tonight though and guys like who is that and this guy was like a local like the woman knew him and he's like. Oh She's an author and she started this bookstore. She wrote a book called. Are you there? God It's me Margaret That was all about Judy. That was about a twelve year old girl where everybody else is having their period and she's not having her period and she You know upset about it and doesn't understand and this guy is just like and I'm like how have you not heard of Judy Bloom and this book But the guy I hadn't and he. He dislikes sat there silently as the woman explained the plot. The book Judy Blume is to him and then he was like all right. How much I owe you. And that was my experience I would. He ask if he was just GONNA POO POO IT. I because I maybe. He thought that she wrote books about motorcycles. Or something and he'd be like Oh cool everybody down there motorcycle book Leona Helmet Laws. Down there so. Nobody wears a helmet riding a motorcycle. That's right that's silly it's dangerous you're GONNA fall off that motorcycle on your head's GonNa pop like a grape Is it called books and books. Yeah Key West. That's that's the name of it books and look. I want this to be a travel guide for for Key West. When you're in Key West. Why have a bunch of ghosts Books at the end I'll be recommending. It looks like there's a pretty good selection emmy. It wasn't it was a pretty big store. Books and books K. W. dot com. Okay by your books there or don't or don't lose rich enough this now. An Anti Judy Plu Pot. You know what? It's time Judy. Blume a taste of medicine. Now that I just learned that she's still allies to say about it so that was arguably one run. In with a celebrity. I read that book. That's the one that Super Fudge too. I didn't like the fudge books I thought he would they genia. Yeah I was like Nah. I don't like the side character a little too much good as a side character. Knock it as a main character of a fourth grade. Now she's rules. Yeah freckled use. Oh that's what brought it up. The Guy was like yeah I misspoke the guy like by the counter there was a section that was all banned books. And he's like. Why do you have banned books? And she explain. Oh the owner of the place she wrote. This book was banned and explain why it was banned. And you know that she's against banning books and the guy was just like. Oh Oh my wife told me to buy this book. I don't care for books. That's not what he said but that was attitude the second run in the second run in. I have with a celebrity. Okay was going to the house at Ernest. Hemingway you soliven whose that Timmy wrote. A bunch of books. A bunch of stories Super Fudge. He wrote he wrote an unauthorized sequel to super. Yeah that's mostly what he was known for. no he has well. He's no longer with us. He shot himself in the head. If you must know yeah I must He has still the biggest private house in Key West Florida. It's that big almost an acre. I don't know how I'll never know. How BIG AN ACRE? I kind of now because I saw it right. I would say like from where we grew up in. Acre would probably be like half a block. Maybe quarter of a block and it's tough to say. Yeah you had some pretty long blocks definitely not a quarter of your blocks sixteen tennis courts in a four by four for. That's what I was GONNA say. Seventy five percent of an American football field. Okay yeah checks out now. I'm picturing it in my mind's eye that comes from the calculator site dot com. I love that you're crediting all the sources Yeah the becoming a big deal. People are getting shoes Shows again sued for hundreds of that stuff It was cool like it was weird to be in a house where somebody very very well known and like a an important like. American historical figure lived Because they haven't changed anything for the most part so it's like Here's the bedroom. Yeah that's his bed That's his dresser. Please don't touch those things But then the entire property is full of cats and they're all not all I guess but alive them are descendants from the the first cat that lived there that had six toes so ally. These cats have six toes. And they're hanging around there just walking all over many cats. I think they said sixteen cats. Currently wow maybe no fifty eight cats. Maybe it's fifty eight. Cats was a lot of cats is definitely more than sixteen. There were cats everywhere these cats stating care about people at all. They were fine where he wrote a farewell to arms. He wrote a bunch of stuff there. And you get to go super fudge strikes back you get to go in his writing studio to they. Have it set up with his typewriter and that part you're kind of in a cage you? Kinda can't get past. You know you can only look. You can't touch but it's like. Oh that's his typewriter. That's where he sat road and that's the toilet. He would take a dump in all right. Say why well it was neat to see him like celebrities? Their dislike us to where they like. You know you didn't flush before he is. His last word is still in there. You don't say the word and yeah you get to your a bunch of fun stories. You with a free nutcase that guy. He had a boxing ring in his byard. And we'd just invite people over to box him. Yeah he seems uh and then one time he went He was not a very faithful man to his lovers. Yeah he doesn't seem like like he was the greatest guy. No a lot of the stories were about how he there's a bar called sloppy joes down there and sloppy sloppy. Joes is where he hung out all the time nice and but then I heard oh well sloppy. Joes moved locations. I'm like Oh okay. So that it's like oh no that was the location because like he was there when they moved because You might notice this unusual fountain in the yard that the cats drink out of. That's a urinal from sloppy joes. That apparently he went to see is very good. Friends with Joe The owner and lobby man and said Yeah and when they were moving from one place to another you know they were doing demolition construction or whatever he saw one of the old journals and he said I flush so much money down that I've pissed so much money down that toilet. The least you can do is give it to me. It was like aren't all right. You want a toilet I mean. Aren't you very rich while on an old toilet check the journal and turn outside and the cats drink out of is a fountain and the cats even know they have no idea so. I spent half the tortoise laughing at the cats. You idiots yeah and that was a fun time and the the old sloppy joes is still a bar. It's called the Captain Tony Snow. They call it sloppy joes. There's a new place called. The place that was old location is still a bar. Did you get a both us by I did? Were you drunk the whole week? No I didn't drink. I drank every day but not a lot. You know because it's one of those things one of those vacations were. You're like always drinking but not heavily drinking. I guess yeah like I never woke up the hangover anything and nowadays like if I have three beers in a short period of time I'm GonNa be useless next day so I didn't drink that much The the place. Captain Tony's has one of those bars that has Brassieres all over on the ceiling. One of those places yeah. You've you've seen a movies places that have brassieres all all resistance on the ceiling brassieres hanging from the rafters like you wouldn't believe summiteers leaders. Hundreds brassieres feeling not thousands but definitely hundreds maybe over a thousand though. Maybe maybe over a thousand. Where did they get them from women? Tim Where do you think brassieres come from? I don't know the wholesaler. No not at ten. They're not from sailors. There from women women can be sailors. Yeah come on Twenty four next year ally. These bras look like they were older than This year so what are the circumstances? I don't know we're trying to figure it out like I like Like some dummy for national miss. I mean I know about this type of thing at some bars. I guess it's like one time. Somebody's like you know it'd be funny if I took off my bra and stapled it to the ceiling and then an idea takes or expensive. I know I wouldn't do it but I don't wear bras but maybe if you're there and it's like you know what I'm wearing like a real shitty broad. I've been meaning to get rid of anyway and it's kind of uncomfortable right now. I might as well stay to the ceiling here. Maybe people bring extra old Bras. Disable the ceiling. Maybe not necessarily coming off that night. I don't know and there was that place had dollar bills stapled all over to but there was another place that must have had like ten thousand dollars. Worth of dollar bills stapled everywhere to go down to key west for a heist no. It said that they've got cameras that they're watching. So don't take bills at higher dead cameras in the Freakin Riviera Casino but ocean and his eleven men made quick work of it. I think he won the eleven men who said ocean and his eleven or the eleven possessive. It was his elections eleven including himself. Which of course includes Ocean Ocean's eleven inclusive of Ocean? Billy Ocean Danny Ocean. It's disappointing if you're looking at change your Diet and save restricting what you eat. What if you nourish your body with the healthiest and most nutritious food with Sikora? You're putting the best in your body so you can feel your best. The menu is creative chef crafted breakfast lunches and dinners that change weekly so you'll never get bored and delivered fresh anywhere in the US along with delicious meals. 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Let's hang gliding right. Yeah you're right. What's paragliding? Paragliding might be when you've got the motor strapped to your back in your on a parachute you've got like an engine not just a motorist fan. A big Fan with an engine. Yeah okay paragliding. We Kapiti first thing. It says in like official Italic Font before it goes into anything not to be confused with parasailing or hang gliding. All right well. We came to the right place because we are confused. Paragliding is the recreational and competitive adventure sport of flying paragliders lightweight free flying foot launched glider aircraft with no rigid primary structure. Okay it's like a parachute jump up so it's like hang gliding with a parachute. Yeah pretty much okay but you were going parasailing higher sailing boat pulling you while you're hanging from. Yeah Yeah we talked about because I. I wasn't allowed to do it when I went to Bermuda. My parents said We've been not even talking about it last week but my parents said it was too windy but it wasn't too windy if they were still open because it didn't seem that windy this day and they closed it down so they they were still open when you went there than it wasn't to Wendy. Your parents are cowards. No I think they just eh like eight and they just didn't want go slip out of that Land in the ocean which is fine if you died parasailing dumb. Well you know. He did to himself that he took he took risky. Lewis who is a miniscule risk but in the same? My parents were. We'll put an eight year old on the move towards saying get to do that. I did post on instagram. I got reposted for anybody that I missed it. This guy that was on a jet pack with a dog on his back that right I think. So Yeah Tom I thought you were GonNa make thought you were taking notes of what we talked about. Last week I also went on went in a lighthouse. That was fun. Have you run out of interesting big interest more interesting things but I want to talk about the for a minute because he was eighty eight stairs? It's very scary. Going up at eight hundred stairs. That's not a lot. It is when they're going straight up and then when you go out it's like there's just a little railing. This wasn't really meant for tourists for a lighthouse keeper. That's going to do anything. Stupid up here Because he's probably GonNa die doing this job yen accident anyway. One of the guys. When the museum he died his he fell off a ladder. And then he he's slowly got better and then he fell off a ladder again. It sounded horrible life back then. There were like in the late. Eighteen hundreds being a lighthouse keepers one of the hardest jobs. There was really an everything sucked in the lady being like an oil tycoon was hard. I can't imagine how tough this was. And it was basically that there were two families that lived in this House. Which sounds like a nightmare to begin with and between the two of them? It's like that lights gotta be on every night no matter what and they said the first night the first year that they had this lighthouse even those man twenty four hours a day in the light was always on the first year they had five hundred shipwrecks way. Why would is just the way you like blocking the latest built facing the wrong way. They realize No I don't know I guess well they also had like the history of Like the upgrades and I think basically the first lighthouse. He was like yeah. We were burning whale oil. It just wasn't really that bright. You know there is any kind of a fog or anything. You couldn't see it lighthouse. Even because I think without it they would have had like two thousand shipwrecks. It did help and they slowly upgraded over the years until I got to the point where they need lighthouse keepers anymore. Jay took over. Yeah but it reminded me of the movie the Lighthouse which I liked very much. What was that movie is about? It's about late house at two crazy. Guys were yeah. I watch that you haven't seen that now. You would like it. Yeah it's it's weird. It's so weird. I really liked it. I loved how weird it was. Yeah and then. I went to a beach. That was next to a military base. Okay I brought my drone by Confli. The drunk because he was next to military base was a little upset about that. You packed a drone. Yeah I packed my drum pretty much everywhere. I go on an airplane. You should have just put it outside of the airplane to the airplane. The hotel. Yeah could've saved on. That could impact an extra pair underwear. Yeah no frigging you. Put your bag on top of the drone. It's not that strong. I don't know I brought to. Then they probably could have done. Maybe not on top tie tie. It had it exactly We've both see mission impossible. They have drones. No THE TATTOO TO THE HELICOPTER. Syndicated comics really. What is a helicopter if not a big drone I gotTa Stop Bringing Shit. I'm pretty good at packing light. But I've brought my drone and my nintendo switch on like every trip I've taken recently and I've never used either of them. It's fine I've never been somewhere where I'm like. I really wish I had my Nintendo switch. I mean every plane ride I make sure I have like forty hours of entertainment me too and then I watch some episode from season. One of friends on the seat back Entertainment System I asleep I downloaded gigabytes and gigabytes of stuff from net flicks. Hulu I had like twenty different books that I was going to start comics on my IPAD. The tunnel podcasts on my phone and then I fall asleep ten minutes into every flight. No matter what Yeah I. When I was flying out to Arizona it was thought the weekend of the Oscars and I had seen pretty much. All the Oscar nominated films except for nineteen seventeen. Lisbon's GonNa win so I gotTa Watch this so illegally. Had you illegal download it out? Recall gave it to you. I never watched it. I just deleted it fell asleep on the plane and didn't watch it and then it didn't win any awards so Dan. I only watch award winners. Well you're a man of Exquisite taste everybody says so By far the thing that was the most So also when I went to the one of the things I really liked about this place like when I went to that military base beach You can rent bicycles and just bike everywhere. Yes really nice. Did you rent a bicycle built for two? No I kept threatening to but then I couldn't find the place that had them although all the bikes down there that you rent they're all the Like the brakes were. Es Pedal backwards and it breaks and that was hard to get used to after not having one of those. Since I was like ten years old case used to equate enough. They'll give you a helmet because nobody was helmets down there. Yeah that's it was like fine like I was a little nervous on a bike. Like my bike in the city. I wear a helmet so down. There was like there's a lot more people biking. I feel a little bit safer. That people are looking out and like not as much traffic. Not As many people right. You know driving anywhere fast but I said these people riding their hogs tim with no helmets. Unbelievable Yeah it's dangerous. It doesn't matter how tough yard you fall off a motorcycle. Not Wearing a helmet is just gonNA kill you. I saw a guy riding a motorcycle helmet on but he did that thing that that I used to do before I at a ride a bike and some where you take your hands off for a minute for like a second in just like put them up in the air. I saw a guy on the B. Q. E. weaving in and out of traffic and then got into the Middle Lane in just did that a few times for the listener. Tim's holding his hands up and how abusive hurt his shoulder? No I got that That shot that axiom today. I'll show you the bandied. What is all over and hurts my arm. I had to put a band aid on my foot because of these Flip flops. I bought down there And now I have a hand line on my foot shape band. Yeah that's why I'm wearing socks right now. It usually barefoot when we're doing them on not not a Sicko The town down. There's really weird. We kept going one. Cvs where they had this one nice Older gentleman working there what you just would to the CVS numerous times. Well like an old man. They're not because he was there. He just happened always be there and he always had comments about everything I was buying like. Yeah the first time I went there and he'd flip flops because the flip flops. I bought and don't know what happened to them that that I brought. I've Ham for years immediately slipped down the stairs. You fall down the stairs. I don't like it. It's not a part that I'm proud of Luckily I like caught myself. You don't like falling down the stairs but I slipped and like managed to catch myself with my hands like bite like grabbing the railings on either side. That's the only thing that stopped me and I've done that before and like really hurt my arms and shoulders because till I do that suddenly sometimes it's like Oh that was the wrong way to catch myself and I put all my weight on a weird muscle that never gets used But so I need to get new flip ups. I don't know what the hell happened. These flip flops that the bottom became slippery. They like turned into plastic. Flip flops and a hat flipflops. Were nine dollars hat with six dollars. I was very happy with my purchases and the guy sounds like there's a great hat. I really literally the cheapest at you. Guys have your. He's I put one of these hats in the washing machine though it turned into Straw. Now it's like well. Why did you play? Where are you wash six dollar hat? What did you think was going to happen? You put it in the washing machine. It's GonNa destroy it in the washing machine. Yeah Hand Wash a man. Yeah But this guy was nice. He was there all the time and By the fourth time I visit he convinced me to go digital with my receipts at CBS. And every time he would scan my card on my phone and then asked me after that if I had the. Cbs APP. And I was like right. Yeah you just I showed you scanned it. It's like you WanNa go digital with your receipts. I am digital. I showed you digital you idiot. Yeah there were weird street performers. There's one there's one guy he would have liked doing. Stunts kindness like juggling. They climbed a ladder. And was it up against anything. No Yeah just had Four men holding holding attached to There was one street performer. That I didn't understand his bid was just hiding behind like sitting on a bucket hiding behind palm leaves and then when people walk by Boo and scaring them didn't learn as it worked but then he would ask them for a tip and I didn't see anyone ever. Why am I tip? Somebody who scared me? I don't like being scared and not even in a I don't like that. But if you startled me yeah. I'm angry at you. Well that's the way it is. It's like you didn't scare them. You startled them yeah. The person was not expecting somebody to jump out at them and they're in a different city and most times like if somebody jumps out of out of nowhere. People are on vacation. Assume they're being robbed. Yeah Look I. I wouldn't mind getting punked one day off. You're going to eat those words. One day him when he went Ashton comes out. Now who's the new host of Punk Don? Quimby oh I forget. Yeah at some some New Star. Yeah well I'll get back to you. There was also a spider man playing a sitar. He didn't seem to be doing that. Well no chance the rapper. Actually I will watch chance. You know I thought it was like one of the Like one of the boys from that group muscles. The big group wonder action. Yeah those one of them. Now's chance the rapper. One Direction and I could see chance rappers Pranks being a little more wholesome. A little more in good fun. Yeah Than Ashton. What punked wasn't mean spirited. Sometimes it was. Yeah dirty little secret Tom. I'm I'm a little excited. Vestige of these qube Grieving sponsored by quickly. And you didn't tell me about it. I wouldn't tell you about. It would be buzz marketing So the other there were two things on like the main drag that fascinated me one was the number one was the number of this was not the most fascinating but the number of CBD's stores and there were like two. It seemed like legal marijuana dispensaries that like looked really nice that nobody was in. Because they don't have legalized marijuana for medical bad. And it looked like kind of these places. very nice looking places that they open basically being like well in a few years. It's going to be legal. We're GONNA have this prime real estate and for now we can sell it to medical users but then there were like CBD's stores that some were dislike very skit. They were all pretty sketchy. I went in one because I was curious about like what they were selling and the guy tried to sell me. Cbd stuff that was like insanely overpriced. So I walked out but then there was one place. He was a little height and it had a bunch of like weird stuff and crate him. And Kava you know about these. What is it legal? But they're also drugs create them. Yeah you can put it in. You can make tea out of it and drink it. And they'll make you know yours psychedelic I give you take a little relaxes you if you take a lot. It's Psychedelic Nice. Aby these are legal drugs. You do these and Sam. I have no problem with it. Yeah no the those drug spent like the government hasn't caught up to yet so let's make me more nervous than like trying cocaine. But they had like one of those you ever see these machines where it fills a giant balloon full of vapor and then you suck out that balloon with it now that I talked about this last week. That way BRO. Wickets up no but we did talk about. Whip it time But I saw that in pursue balloon. What's in the balloon? He'll leaper attach marijuana. But in this case like Hamp Lake. Cbd Marijuana so they attach it to thing and basically the balloon. I guess acts like a lung and You know Heats up the thing while fans going like burr and fills up the balloon. And now you've got this big balloon that it's just full of Vapor C. Can you know suck on that? Like all at one sir. Maybe not all at once. Kazoo looked I get at it. I think that it can close itself. Yeah but I guess I was C b but the thing I there were two things. Let me see if you can figure out what this what this means. Is this going to be another drugs machine? No it said that they it was a sign that said that the place is open every day except for the days win. Disney and princess cruises were in dock like ally cruises dock there. Yeah why do think that is. Do you think the all powerful Disney Corporation is like. We don't want these drugs places open and they were able to like cut a deal with the city council to be like Yo. We'll doc somewhere else or maybe like you know. You guys influence the unseemly businesses when forests. Are there the other the? Cbd's stores did not seem to have any what was the place that was closed. It was a CD like hot outside of a a a bar like it looked like it was about the size and may have been the same type of thing as like a like a philophical card in the city like a swarm ACC. You know just like a little thing. That car can trail can carry behind it big enough for one person to be in the navy. That's when Mickey's CBD. Hut Opens. Up the other thing. I the only other thing I could think of was. If when those cruises come in they move to be closer to them and seemed like it was a one man operation. I go when those cruiser in a ton of people and they like this stuff so I go and just you know. Sell it right at the port. Yeah the other thing. I couldn't figure out. Well maybe I could figure out was that it said there was another sign that was like If if we're closed we we also do home delivery. Call this number and ask for Dragon Dragon. Yeah like a name. That's cool but here's what I think is that just a regular we'd service and was this whole thing just basically like an advertisement for like. Hey call this number and you can buy real. We'd probably why I mean. Yeah it seemed like a pretty good business. A dealing drugs is usually a good business usually make a lot of money dealing drugs and it safe then also seemed like they had all their bases covered of like. Hey you want to buy real. We'd yeah we'll come and sell it to you but also were selling like insanely overpriced. Cbd outside of a bar and a bunch a yokels think. Oh I guess it's legal in Florida and they're buying it and thinking it's it's GonNa get them high he yeah. I don't know what you'd put dragon if you were trying to fly under the radar. Yeah that's why I can figure out either like they do after hours delivery. Scott Scott Ellis coming in Scott. It might have been Pete. It might not have been dragon can remember now. I think it was something like dragon though. It's like a weird news either dragon or Pete. Yeah Pete's Dragon. That might be why. I'm confusing but also Mike. Where am I calling my calling? Somebody'S HOUSE WHY? Don't you put a cell phone number on there? Appear Call Pete and this is his number. Wait what was it? What was the number I don't know the actual number but you know it wasn't a cell phone number. I assume it was but it was. You don't have to ask for anyone because that cell phone belongs to the person you WanNa tell you that way you know you have the right number highs this pete and that way. He knows because his Pete's not that guy's me. Yeah but what if when he answers fingers Pete here well then then Oh good I got the wrong I got the right guy okay. So you're thinking maybe I should have called the number and seen what I think. Taken a picture of No because I don't think I do have a picture of it. I'll take luck years stories. Change dying so by far the most interesting thing I encountered down there was a store called Oro Gold Gold Gold. That was like some kind of a cosmetics store and there were two people like outside the store you know handing out flyers to people to get them in the store but then on the other side of the sidewalk maybe how wide is a sidewalk. Three feet that an acre on acre acres area too. It's not three feet wide. It's so about three feet away there to older people holding up Arrow signs that just say rip off pointing at the store. What store was it or gold? Okay and I was fascinated by this because you engage them. No 'cause you don't WANNA engage people. Why not my biggest problem in old people causing a scene you can walk away from et anytime without feeling bad and you could walk fairly quickly and they won't catch up to you all the my biggest problem in Key West Florida was and this is probably my problem in most places. That aren't New York is people. Don't mind their own fucking business about anything. Like I can't tell you how many times I almost said. Why don't you mind your own fucking business to somebody because people are asking? That's the thing I'm mine on minding my own business and then people always have things to say what? I can't remember now because I was just red with anger. Kind of people were these like middle busybodies. Yeah busybodies older busy body. Just give me one example. When you tell us why wasn't mine. But my her feet were a little sunburned and this woman came up to my sister-in-law on the sidewalk and it's like ooh her feet or really sunburned and she's like okay. Yeah I know thank you. Mind your own business. I can't remember on Gigi over here to give this lady that what I would have because by that point I'd at so many people putting their nose into my business and hell me what they think so. I didn't want to engage anyone for a guy that talks in our a week. Clip it on the Internet about nothing in particular mostly about just like random details from your life. Yeah you really have a proud to talk to you. I don't talk to you know some old guy. Yeah we went to a bar one night and there were no seats. And this is like Oh. We're going to be leaving in fifteen minutes again. Take our semi. Okay. Thanks. So where are you from? I'm like Oh come on. I know I'm not looking for a convert. Look if the deal is I got to talk with you to get this seat. Forget it the deals all. Stand here and look at my phone until you talk to my girlfriend. I'll be looking at my phone. And then we got seats on the other end of the bar and the guy kept like looking at me and raising a glass of me and he was there for two hours. He Dan leave after fifteen minutes. Yovany gave you a seat. No I got another see. Who was like this guy wasn't leaving? Raise it as class. People are too friendly exactly. It was like now. We're buddies because we talk for fifteen seconds when he reneged on a promise. Unless you're getting up I don't care you're not my friend until you get up and give me something and then he'll be leaving so he can't be friends thing right. Oh well two ships in the night so anyway I was so fascinated by this oral gold thing that I I One night bought a newspaper from newspaper machine because that was the front page headline one zero gold. Yeah about like what was going on what happened. So what have you have the newspaper? No I left it down. Pack a newspaper with me to leave the drone. Pack the newspaper also so glad because I bought the newspaper from a newspaper in machine. Right in front of Oro Gold Man. It's been so long since Bought a newspaper. I have a machine. That's fun you can take all of them like Geo hit on. The real world literally said to my girlfriend dare me take a ball like judd. And she's like I have no idea what you're talking about the real World San Francisco. When Judd's comic Strip was in the newspaper for the first time he was so excited and went through the newspaper. Machine put a quarter an open it and took all the newspapers out which you're not supposed to do or system. But in his defense. It was an exciting time for him. Then he should have paid for those papers. Like an honest man. Yeah look obstacles to side with him against Puck. When he has his own faults. Judd never licked his finger and then studied in the peanut butter. Yeah that is unforgivable. So I got to buy it out of the machine. Your girlfriend has not seen the real world San Francisco. He's not well enough that she knew when I said you dare me take them all like Judd. What that meant. Hey which I only you know judd himself would have no idea what we're talking about Ticket out of the machine did the whole like flourish with it like well. Let's see what's on the front page here. Well look at this breaking news so the problem was this store. This store does sound like a real scummy place. It looked nice but they also have like a big sign on the store that said they would like. Were not a licensed cosmetologist like it seemed like. Oh there's a law why you had to put that up. Yeah that apparently is placed there just scamming old people. They they sold a bunch of bullshit. Things like face creams and stuff. That was it has gold in it. So that's why it's so good and apparently You know they will get a live one. Bring them in so maybe like. Oh you know I'll take a jar of that That gold cream for one hundred dollars wherever and they great We'll we'll bag all will box and bag all that stuff up for you Oh you're in pay by credit card. Great Okay have a good day bye bye and these people get home and realize that they had sold them like three thousand dollars worth of stuff and that they had no return policy. Yeah so that's why. These old people were like to voting their retirement to just standing outside the signs that Said rip-off it seems like he was a bad move that that newspaper box machine was right outside Oro gold. The proprietor should have pulled the judd. And they're getting rid of the bad press. Yeah the one right in front of their Dang building and it seem like I mean I don't know how well they stock these things but There are only a few copies in there. I think it was a hot seller. Seventy five cents. It costs the by this newspaper. We're going to get sued by Oro Gold. We might don't go there. They're a rip off a call according to a bunch of retirees few like the show. Is that all yet on. You can also drink anywhere you want. And I went in a circle K. Strange things here but that was another reference. That is taking you win thank you. It's been building also bar that I didn't go inside up on the third floor and it's a clothing optional bar. That old people go to be naked. I didn't WANNA do that. I I want. I was curious but not curious enough. Yeah that that. Fool me so many times. When I went to Robert Moses Nude beat all right let's see what a bunch of centerfolds or they're tanning themselves. Today everybody was over. Eighty years old right and had huge. Paul said hung to the sand right if you like this. Show fear friend on facebook. Facebook DOT COM complete guide. You can follow us on twitter at complete guiding. Afa Me on twitter and Instagram at Tom. 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They'll give you a floater where they'll put some on the some extra on the top dollar fifty more. The other weird thing was being down there like hearing like a key. West is expensive key west expensive. No nothing's expensive compared to New York. Yeah literally anywhere you go is going to be cheaper. I couldn't get over. How like inexpensive drinks were down there and part of it was because they you know open container no open container laws. So it's like oh well that bars competing with the seven eleven next door. They'll sell you a beer for a dollar fifty but This place with the frozen peas cloud that I got Tasted like shit. It tasted like bad Pina Colada and then it was made with one fifty one rum one hundred and fifty one proof from but it wasn't like a brand I had ever heard of so as like a fish unless you to costs three dollars seven dollars for it But it wasn't good. It got very drunk but it didn't taste good. I was already a little drunk and it still didn't taste good. Will you heard it here? I don't drink the Pina coladas in key. No some of them were good. Just don't go to a place. Called Fat twos come on man. All you're doing is taken down businesses. No I'm supporting these days. Oral GOLD BOOKS IN BOOKS BY JUDY. Blume even there didn't even really like the Super Fudge books. They're good books. I supported her. She's isn't that enough. We'll see next week. That was a hit gum podcast.
Episode 9 - Florida: Robert the Doll
"The following is the fourth production. You'll never mind that. Welcome to the one on one podcast. I'm your host one. I know that was a mouthful but join us while we talk about a variety of things. Life business maybe some conspiracy theories who knows sit back and enjoy the ride can answer all your lifelong questions. Like is it okay to shave your balls with the same machine using your face. I don't know anyways. Follow on Social Media Instagram at the one on one. Podcast catch us on Apple podcast. Google podcast spotify stitcher. Where you can catch our weekly episodes Laura one welcome back to another fantastic episode of state of fear. I mean it was Chris and with me always is the CO host with the most assistances. James what's up? Everybody and today's State is Florida. Flo Rider flow rider. The he grade the Sunshine State the State of Florida which you call in California when we did California but now metaphysics what would it. What is California California's Golden State? My bad that's okay anyway. So today's for Florida we. We went through a few different things. There's a lot going on in Florida Viva Nebraska Yet there were a lot of different topics that we went through in Florida we kind of narrowed it down to this one just for the time being but today's topic is on Robert. Dolf Robert the dull this as This was something that I had once heard about but I had not really looked into it or heard of it but You know I've seen pictures of them before and stuff like that guy and I'm actually very excited to talk about this. I like talking about creepy stuff. Have you seen any the The TV shows episodes where they've done on Robert Dole. I believe a saw one okay. I'm I can't remember what show it was like. I said it's been awhile since I've watched paranormal shows that ED might I don't know did Do One on the collector about him. I mean our does. He not do shows on things that he can't get his hands on. I mean I don't I don't watch shows I have no idea okay. Yeah I've watched it go show since go back in like two thousand six. Well the heck with it. We'll just roll forward. No Chris I haven't seen any shows that I can remember about Robert but I have heard of okay and You know he looks like I do know what he looks like. A lot of people probably seen pictures of him. He's a little patchwork doll. Yeah forty eight inches or forty inches tall. He's big and he's dressed like a little sailor. He's got a very happy face at has a teddy bear. Yes very wack looking. But before that. Let's talk about a couple of our favorite dolls. Chucky love chugging who Most of these are probably inspired by Robert at some point or other actual on adults that is true. Yeah Yeah There's also the other real life one Annabel Annabel now said we'd like to talk about this one because the moving yes doesn't do it justice. Of course. Should I say than the movie. They've completely changed. Annabel's appearance right the true Annabel if anybody out there knows about her is a raggedy endel looks as harmless as can be but yet it is haunted as hell. This they've got it in the case is do not touch. You know somebody to hands on this thing and that to me. That makes it more scary. Because you're you're not assuming that stall to be evil absolute doll in the movie you look at. It looks at look evil. It looks evil. Hell assume something bad's going to happen. Yeah this other. Dog is a raggedy Ann doll which they sold in mass produced mass. And so they were all over all over the world. Yellow kidding and so and it's got this simple it's a simple patchwork doll would ever and you assume that. It's a nice fun doll but this one is evil yet because they've made the actual annabel movie about a raggedy end-all attacking and killing people. You would see kids. Running screaming from Toys R. Us has all over the planet that I think for. Adulthood probably look really ridiculous. It will having a raggedy Ann Doll Yellow Fighting. It would and so they had to scary it up maintenance. She's actually. We looked her up. She's actually forty eight inches tall. He's almost life size. Yes she's an creepy as hell. This doll here. They did a real good job on it. Of course we all anybody's in the paranormal Christian. The paranormal allot right. Know what the Real Annabelle looks like. Then we see this and we roll our eyes but so be you know. I mean like you said they're going to sell movies too if they're gonNA sell tickets to a horror movie. They're not going to sell it pedaling. Some raggedy Ann doll drive. They're not gonNA have not going to be scary. Obviously not no. There's another dog called. Brahms the boy that was made into two movies A and to me. This is almost the closest to be inspired by Robert Daw. Because it's a it's a boy doll first of all. It was gifted to a boy as well but in the movie the boy supposedly dies and so the doll ends up being a representation of the bow. Their son that they lost. That's right done then. The spirit of the boy go into the doll supposedly okay and they hire somebody to come in and actually baby doll over and the doll ends up like Robert ends up In different places. Now we're supposed to be not where they put him last time he they hear like feet running in and things happened like Robert Doll Keep the ten bucks. I'm out the twist babysitting the damn thing. The twist for this one is at the boys I actually dead. He's living in the walls. Oh Jeez and so. He comes out to move doll on his own. And he's the one who's yeah and here it's stupid shit. Is it okay. That's too bad because well maybe that'll make it on our other projects on day. It's what the suck tears I've never seen. I've never seen brom boy or whatever they call him the boy the second one is called Brom. The boy okay. Yeah okay now. There's also the dolls from the puppet master series Lomu. I love the little drew. Drill your favorite. That's my favorite is Leech woman leach. She had gone up those leeches. Yup was as to kid with scary shit because I'm like how does she have all in Leeches? Limited side a little doll because there are a lot she threw up a lot. Yes he did. Yeah that is for sure drills cool to. I'd like to drill the frigging Nazi one with the scissors. Yes he was kind of creepy. Yeah and the little one with a hook you know. They're they're pretty much all evil. The one I thought was always funny was the was pinhead. Yeah because they they you know he's tiny head and he had like a turtleneck that's right and they had puppeteer his hands in the holes for his hands. And obviously you could tell it was an adult hand and it just looked funny as hell. Yeah good movies though. And then of course we have the Zuni hunter doll from trilogy of terror. One of my favorite on your favorites from us with Karen. Black the last segment of the movie where she has botany doll for her boyfriend. And there's a chain attached to it when the chain falls off the hunter comes alive and proceeds to hunter down through her apartment. And which actually for its time was a very very well done but TV made movie. But I do believe there are such dolls that actually exist in the world at least by legend. I don't know too much about them but I have heard you know like you know 'cause like you got voodoo dolls things like that things with energy things attached to things. I mean I just can be possessed. I mean we've seen it we've heard about all the time I mean John. Zappa's does a very good living collecting these things. Yes he do. You know and Zach begins does well for his museum that we will not discuss on here and let's not forget the fact that the famous dolls can be big business on Ebay. I have people are selling their quote unquote haunted doll's all the time and there are organizations out there that by these things at like ridiculously high prices online. Yeah if I want to buy haunted stuff I'll take my ex wife with me and say hey. Put Your hands over this. 'cause she sensitive to stuff like that. It'd be better a better deal than actually buying someone Ebay because you guarantee you're not getting anything quote unquote haunted at all new. No we we apparently also have haunted. Doll yes we do. We have a bear as a little teddy bear. Yeah we found him an antique centre and he's part of our collection. You know we have a doll bear. We have wind chime. There was set a wind chimes. We also have an owl. We have haunted. That's right I do. I pick that up. Yup I think our friend has any so okay. Yeah yeah all right. Well that's a trip through some of the more famous quote unquote killer slash haunting. Don't come And before we get into the weird news of the day Abso lutely today story is a pretty interesting one deals with little hailey intelligent up in the tallahassee story is called creepy extinct fish with fingers. Unearth the bizarre truth of how hands evolve story goes no not those fish fingers defrosting and a microwave weren't required here. Humans may not be directly related to fish. Except maybe Abe Sapien that creature from the shape of water but the fossil of an extinct fish known as El piece of St Joie. Sony was a breakthrough for a research team from flinders university in Australia and university. Say Quebec a Rimouski in Canada. This literal fish out of water had fingers as an actual finger. Bones on its pectoral fins. It's three hundred eighty. Million-year-old skeleton revealed how vertebrate fingers evolved from fence. That is impressive. First of all three hundred and eighty million years that predates dinosaurs by three hundred fifteen million years. I'll that's something else is talking about. Sixty five million years ago was our boy. T. Rex like that. `continuing is how it prehistoric fish morphed into tetrapods the fine coat reveals extraordinary new information about evolution of the vertebrate hand said Dr John Long Strategic Professor in Paleontology at flinders university who recently published a study in nature quote. This is the first time that we have unequivocally discovered fingers locked in a fin with fin rays in any known fish the articulating digits in the fin are like the finger bones. Found in the hands of most animals L. Peace does to Galions. That's a great word. We're amphibious predators that merged features of fish and tetrapods. They were the closest known evolutionary ancestors of tetrapods but are thought to have appeared more fish like closer to how you would probably imagine a fish crocodile hybrid since they still had the scales and Gills Weird. They're large skulls with is on top. Were part of their morphology closer to tetrapods and unlike fish they had in significant dorsal and anal fins or none at all relying instead on their pectoral fins to carry them around in shallow water or all the way to shore finger like bones made it easier for them to spread their weight through these fans. No other fossils have revealed a complete anatomy of NLP so stick aliens extraordinary pectoral fins until now out of four L. Peace does to gaily. I wonder how many times they're gonNA throw that word. Species e y Sony is the only one whose body shape and proportions can now be fully fleshed out. Tetrapods are thought to have emerged in the form of L. Pistols to Galions during the DEVONIAN period. Earlier fossilized impressions of bones that suggested the beginnings of transformation do exist but these not quite fish or tetrapod morphs which probably walked marked the dawn of the transformation into tetrapods what may have deceptively appeared to be a thin could have been mistaken for one since it still shows fin rays characteristic of fish. These fans were actually hiding skeletal. Digits that long and his team determined to be the closest skeletal structure to tetrapod hand. Ever found quote. These findings pushes back the origin of digits invertebrates to the fish level. The fish level. I liked it and tells us that. The patterning vertebrate hand was first developed deep in the evolution just before fishes left water. So where did fish in tetrapods begin? The DEVONIAN phenomenon of fish fingers was undoubtedly one of the most significant events in vertebrate evolution later incarnations of tetrapod Amorphous would eventually ditz the gills for lungs and further adapt to terrestrial life by developing strong muscular structures. Infants that were turning into legs. Dorsal and anal fins that are now necessary for stability and swimming and water also disappeared. Functions of major organs began to change and since and sensory abilities to detect movement of predators and prey in the water gradually faded through e Wa. Sony was probably not much danger of being eaten since it had fangs for days. Lp's tostes further blurs the line between fish and tetrapods and showing a greater number of tetrapod. Novelties then are present in any other fish Watson and his team concluded in the study. We just hope that monster sharks won't start taking sunset walks on the beach anytime soon. And that's my that's my worst nightmare. Y- yeah charge might worst worst nightmare not not funny like Batman Shark like Real Dangerous Land Shark. That's an interesting story but yes eventually I do know that. A lot of rip tilles species were evolved from creatures crawl learning to crawl from the water. Eventually at some point had fingers crazy. Yeah and I bet they use that middle one a lot especially when the traffic was bad. Insure out under the under the seat. I'm sure but that is our store today. My brother McHugh imagined swim in the lake. And you don't feel fish you know go past you have all avoid the hell out of yeah but like if they had fingers and they just kind of like you know when when you're walking through a crowd and you kind of push away through a crowd using your hands sometimes. Imagine a fish doing that your leg full. Get out fingers or grass or something. That'd be bad wouldn't work. That would be weird. Yeah alright good story news now. Rapper So all of the research from this episode comes from a few sources there's an atlas obscured com article all interesting dot com article Artist House Key West article and From episode fifteen of the lower podcast called on boxed. Nice one warm day. Plumber enters a house on Eden Street and Key West Florida on his way into the house. He notices doll in a chair staring out an upstairs window. The home belongs to Mr and Mrs Thomas Otto. Their three sons and a special friend however that day. None of the children were at home while attending to his assignment. Plummer suddenly heard the laughter of children. Come from the upper part of the house remembering that the children were not at home. He decided to investigate and when he reached the room the doll was in he founded though had moved to another part of the room objects he had seen in the dolls lap where now on the other side of the room as if a doll had thrown him. That doll belong to youngest child. Robert Eugene Otto. Its name was Robert. The Doll Robert. The doll is one hundred sixteen year old dolled at currently resides at the fort. East Mortello Museum in Key West Florida. The officials at the museum trace Roberts origin to the steiff company a toy designer that created the ferry. I Teddy Bear for Theodore Roosevelt. A staife story and told Museum Robert was never meant to be a toy. He was not a mass produced item and most likely was part of a set fabricated for a window display of clouds or gestures. This would explain the dolls unusual size. Robert has a forty inch doll while dolls from the time period generally didn't exceed fourteen inches. Most stories agree. That Robert was given to Robert Eugene Auto. Who went by Jean by his grandfather as a birthday gift? Who bought the doll during a trip to Germany? However there are other stories perpetrator around there. One is that he was given to Jean by the families made as retaliation for wrongdoing perpetrated by the family The other says that he was given to Jean by his great aunt. Bridget who was also on a trip to Germany and found the doll while shopping But the vast majority of historians believe that he was given to him by his grandfather but he's still emanates from Germany still German no matter what who who gave it to him what he's come from. Jerem comes from the Steve Company yells. Once he received the data where he got it from a doll had an immediate effect on gene and they soon became inseparable. Gene was a quiet shy boy. Who founded hard to make friends having this life sized dog a gene friend that he had never had before he was so enamored with all that genie named the after himself and even dressed him in one of his own sailor outfits. That bothers me though. Boy who has trouble making friends instead of helping him. I don't know I guess back. Then I don't know. Psychology was really heavily used or something for children But I just. I have a problem with that. Was put him up in the attic with a doll and let him to sit there and talk to the all day at just. It just seems little whack to me like an easy. There's no easy fix easy fix. Yeah there's like today's if a kid don't behave you just plug them into xbox and walkaway drugs up. Yeah Yeah you know some rare Lynn or something. Yeah yeah no thanks. Gene would place the doll in a chair next to him at the dinner table in the doll would sit on the toilet while gene bathe almost watching over him gene eventually gave. Robert his own room in the attic complete furniture toys and even a teddy bear and a chair that Roberts always sat in his parents in the household staff began to claim they could here gene in his bedroom. Having full conversations with someone they swore was another person that was not gene but when they would enter the room they always found gene sitting on the floor across from Robert who was always in his favorite chair however there were other times when his mother would often find him in the corner of his room cowering holding his knees in his arms while the doll sat in a chair and stared now. That is interesting to me as well because that brings to mind the possibility of a split personality disorder. Are you know not even bipolar? We're talk right Blit. Now the personnel whole different person he can carry on a conversation back and forth and flip the switch. That is a very good assumption. Yeah it's just it's it's I mean happens to fit the facts. But you know it's just a if you're hearing conversations with the. Yeah when the whole other person and hold their voice is not your son's because that is one of the big things with people with multiple personalities is a complete personality and voice change right can't please I mean it. It's it's scary. I have seen videos on this stuff. It's very strange. Yeah so that that could have been one of the things that was going on especially cowering. Yeah maybe the other e his alter ego was terrifying and scared the shit out of them I mean. I don't know like the movie split absolutely many times. His parents would be awoken in the middle of the night to jeans screaming in his room when they reached it they found all the furniture had been overturned to which gene always swore. It was robbers fault. The family then began to find mutilated toys strewn about the house staff. What sometimes find silverware and dishes strewn about on ninety one floor on occasion but each time when confronted gene would proclaim. Robert did it and many times. Servants would find Robert in different parts of the house even when gene wasn't home. That's the first of all that seriously unhealthy. You know they. They just like they let this poor boy go on and on and on like this blaming things on the doll he'd probably had rage issues. You know you know temporary or are what do you call out of control you know if he had multiple personalities may be. One of them was extraordinarily violent yet. I felt like because this was like nineteen. Four people were very proper back then. They were much more into child discipline. Yes so much so I think no matter how much he claimed Robert did it. The parents didn't believe him in probably did this. Lynn quite a bit for not taking responsibility for things that he did. Yeah I the thing is did. Yeah and then also this thing about things moving around when Gene wasn't home. That's pretty cool that yeah yeah. I like it's freaky though expecting it though. True that yes very much. So the experiences then began to happen to guests and visitors of the house some claim to have seen the doll move slightly even blink others claim to hear laughter. Even when no one was home neighbors even began to report sightings as they would often claim to see. Robert Staring out one window at the top of the house only to look away. Look back sorry and vitamin A complete different window. Footsteps would often be heard when none of the children were at home. Gene would eventually go off to study at the Academy of Fine Arts in Chicago and the Art Students League York as a painter leaving Robert. Behind in the attic you would go on to travel Europe and soon met and fell in love with an Ed Parker. While studying in Paris the two were married on. May Third Nineteen thirty and not long after they took a residents in New York. It seemed gene had overcome. His shyness settled down and left his friend in the past several years after Jeanette moved to New York. Jean's parents passed away and will the House on Easy Street to him. They moved in and would spend the next forty years in a house along with the House and all his possessions was Robert and once again the holdall had over. Gene was immediate. Who said Robert once again had a place at the table? A place at the foot of the couples bed and gene was seen carrying the doll with him about the house and that was said to be unnerved by the connection the two had at one point may gene remove. Robert back to the addict once again. This was not enough to Stop Robert. Though the couple would occasionally find Robert in the house and at night here. The same footsteps as servants and guests had heard decades before Robert and Jean remained together in the House on Eating Street until Jean's death in nineteen seventy four. After her husband's death net demanded doll remain in the chest in the attic and he did however shortly after his death and that sold a house and died herself. Two years later there are many stories out there that say net was driven mad by the doll. And because of this she perished before Jean did and not really sure we'll came from but the more legitimate sources say. She died after gene two years in a new house in Florida. Not The spooky about that. No the new owner. Myrtle Reuter found a doll in the attic and took it out of the chest. Robert would be on display once again for all to see and for the next twenty years. Reuter and her guests would report weird things happening to and around the doll. Reuter and many other guests would swear that Roberts facial expression would change whenever genes would be brought up in conversation. Oh hell no now. This is actually not the this if any now if anyone bad mouth gene within Roberts presence it was said. His expression would change to one of anger. Man Gimme a match Burnett dog taking him out in the back and tortured him. I mean that's I mean it's one thing for the anybody who hasn't seen the doll doll okay. There's there's not a lot of facial features on him. Now he's a patchwork doll for one. He's got to be the I at least ditching. Yeah he's got to be the is and he's got like heavy stitching and he's got like weird little mouth. Yeah so for his facial expression the change in general is that's just starting ordinary. Yeah absolutely for him to get angry. Firm to form to form the eyebrow move minted. Yeah because there are dolls. Are we've all seen and pictures and photographs things like that? You know that they follow you right. You can walk from one of the room to the other and it looks like the damn thing is staring at your whole time. The whole ten traffic was dummies. Are Bad about. Oh yeah that's right another one but yeah I can see how that would happen but man. I'm telling you if I saw it change expression. I'm sorry I'm finishing my tea. And getting the hell out. He would burn down time my house once again. The footsteps will be heard. Robert will be found in parts of the house he wasn't supposed to be in Reuter. Would eventually move from the House on eaten in nineteen eighty but she decided to take Robert with her. Eventually in Nineteen ninety-four Reuter donated Robert to the East Martell Museum in Key West Florida stories claimed that she don't eat him out of fear for the safety of her family. Then why my friend which? She takes the doll with her. Why didn't she get rid of it immediately? That's what that's what gets me about this. When family has fear of an object or something that's affecting their lives get rid of it. We hear all too often. People hang onto stuff for some weird reason. I guess maybe the you know gene and his family you know. His parents held onto that Dolph so long because of the fact that it gave Robert Joy Comfort to their son even when it terrified him at least a kept him in check. Well maybe he was I don I mean I'm no doctor but maybe he was autistic because I do know. Autistic children become extraordinarily excessive obsessed with certain things right maybe he latched onto this doll and this thing got hold him so bad and then the change of voice he could have suffered multiple conditions. We don't know but you know these days it'd be easier to diagnose stuff like this back early. Nineteen hundreds. They wouldn't know what the hell variety. Yeah I mean I I wonder if maybe Reuter had a bit of the same the same personality is as a gene where she was easily overtaken by Dolph. Maybe so because first of all this thing is extraordinary looking. Yeah it's very different. It's not like any dog you've seen you know it's very odd Fran this like. I don't know I mean 'cause like again you said if things had happened the entire time you had the doll and you move out in the doll came with the house. Why why would you take it all with you unless you know? Robert had a sort of not a possession but he sort of oppression type feeling over his host. Well may gene was as I said and Mary Reuter not an Reuter was his second host. Maybe he was able to oppress her to the point to where when she moved out. Fourteen years later at that point you know it was almost like a Stockholm Syndrome. Exactly she couldn't leave without him yet. I mean that's that's what I'm I'm I'm thinking maybe but as started. But you know what it could. It could be a variety of things right One of the daughters claims she was even attacked by Robert which led to her donating it. Holy Crap Yeah that that'd been it for me. I think at that point you wouldn't have donated pilots would have burned the thing death. We'll see like I remember earlier. You were you. Were saying how he would appear in a window when nobody was home and then he would change windows. Nobody's home. How do we know that they didn't keep the kid in the attic while they were gone? Locked him up yeah he could be up there messing around stuff like that. You know just people just weren't catching it. I mean there are. There are ways. To debunk stuff. Like right but one way or the other still scary. So creepy his yes. Robert began appearing at the foot of Reuters bed in the middle of the night and after one particular night when laughter and movement were heard just prior to finding him. Once again at the foot of her bed she had had enough hail. No it's not one and it happened more than once. Not Not even that but I agree with her. That the scariest thing is not the fact that happened more than once. It was at the last time it happened. She'd heard laughter and footsteps before it happened. Which means doll was moving. And that's it. You're done. No at Fallen Robert. His head had gotten taken off because my twelve gauge is right above my bed. I'd come right down with the Buckshot. Robert would dead by Robert. He'd be all of that ahead. Hell no you know I love ghost. Yeah I love haunting. I love stuff like that. But if the if the doll is appearing at the foot of my bed he's laughing and then sitting there staring at me he go. He's not respecting your space. No he I'll I'll take him out. Nowadays Poltergeist Clown Doll. He's living his six foot distance. Minimum you know he violating CDC protocol my bubble. He goes right he he messed up and get shot a few months. After Robert went. T- Museum Reuter died while Robert may have been a bad luck. Hohmann for those who cross gene. He seems to be very good luck. Hohmann for the museum since his arrival in Nineteen Ninety-four Museum staff claim. They've had a large increase in visitors. All to see Robert the haunted all the staff also claimed that video and devices near Operas Case Malfunction which is very common and perform absolutely draining. The energy the exhibit is brought people from all over the world including ghost hunters and psychics. Just to get a chance to meet the doll that has scared countless others but brought joy infringe up to one lonely little boy and that is stories of Robert Dole. Sad at assist. I mean I just a sad story. It's Abbot's got some. It's got spooky element but it's also very sad story that poor little guy up there with just nothing but at all to play with for God knows how long he he knows. He turned out his life turned out pretty. Lucky I would say because generally you know if you have a sort of childhood. He don't grow up to be a functioning member of society but he grew up he went to college. He got married. Got Together you know so You know when he went back home doll kind of re re oppressed him but prior to that he was able to have a fully functioning life and he died of old age. And so did the wife you know so I guess maybe when he went back calm you think maybe he regressed emotionally and psychologically a little bit back when he was boy. I know and I would probably I would probably say that. Also having a lot to do with sometimes when you have a childhood that's not while not rough as a like like he was was very shy and awkward to have a father who may have been a bit more bearing. Maybe there's there's some sort of you know underlying Unspoken sort of history there that that's going to affect you and then you see the doll in all comes coming. Come coming back to you and your home is probably loaded to the gills with energy. Oh yeah all kinds of negative energies and just paranormal energies. You know all kinds of stuff. Yeah and so. I'm sure he's kind of cool to investigate that house. Actually I believe it's a tourist house now so is it now. You can go in there to put Robert back in that house them. I you know I don't quote me on this because I I don't watch shows but I swear at one point. I saw a ghost show. That did that. They took the doll back to the House to investigate lifted. That might be something worth looking up. Maybe I dreamed it. I don't know again. Don't don't know call me on that but I don't remember them getting any real Extraordinary evidence off of that though. I think next time I'm in Florida. I'M GONNA go fine Robert and check him out. You shouldn't go take a bunch of pictures absolutely now. There's a thing that says that if you go to if you go to see Robert Dole at the museum you have to ask his permission to take his picture If you don't there are stories of people who have done that who have not asked permission. And later on had a series of bad luck events happening to them to the point where they've actually mailed him a card apologizing for their slight really museum gets tons of cars all the time for people who have done just that observe the phone. Yeah exactly because they had something happen. You know a bad luck. Hit them after they left museum. Wow and they sent a letter back saying I apologize something or other and you know. I don't know if that turns around or not but people believe that much that they will go to that point. Well brother maybe that just proves it. Maybe something is just pretty damn sinister. Attached to this Dau- I'm willing to go. Investigate it absolutely go test? It out may too hard. Well that's the end of this episode of another great one in the books absolutely. I love this topic. That was a good one now. James Tell tell the fine folks at home If they don't know already where they can find us on social media and on the APPs absolutely we are on the fourth hand dot Com media network and proud members. Love these guys. Lots of great shows. Please go check him out. Give Him some. Light skinned some reviews. Check out the shows. You also find our other project. What the sector. We do our Ratings of forgotten and really crappy horror Really forgotten crappy movies. 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My name is Melissa in my story is about the serial killer Gerald Stan no I grew up in Daytona Beach Florida in the nineteen seventies eighties. My Dad was a police officer any to share all kinds of work stuff with me that made me feel like a grown up but it meant that. I didn't have a childhood like other kids while other families talked about school or sports around the dinner tables at our house. The main topic was crime. Let crimes committed by motorcycle gangs in Daytona to crime farther afield like the Atlanta child murders? My Dad took me aside one day and said girl. Keep your head on a swivel. And don't trust anyone. Every Sunday. I will go to church with my grandparents. They were super religious than they used to do. Tent revivals back in the thirties and forties. So we'd go to church and afterwards we had a weekly eating lunch at a little restaurant around the corner from my mom's house. I'm not going to name the restaurant because it's still in business today but they advertised as having the best chicken town and it was the most delicious fried chicken I've ever eaten. I can't tell you how many times I've been there. Probably over a hundred. We even got takeout during the week. Most of the time to but what we didn't know is that our food was being cooked by serial killer. Gerald Stana was cook there. I knew him not personally but onsite when my grandfather would pay our bill after the Sunday meal. I'd walk up with him because he'd let me handle the money and get changed and it was fun for me. I remember standing there waiting for the cashier and look back in the kitchen in there he was he always smiles at me and I would wave back. Nobody thought anything about it. When Stana was arrested they came for him. His job man. That news travels fast and was on the TV that night mother was flipping out one of his victims shopped at a small craft store that my mother and I went to all the time when they found her abandoned car. A bag of fabric for a cheerleading costume was still in the backseat. Another woman was murdered in a wooded area less than a tenth of a mile from my elementary school. I rode my bike passed there every day for school. The restaurant to murder scenes were with a mile radius of home a shudder to think that the same hands at dipped in flour. All that Fried Chicken murdered twenty two women in our community to this day. I still can't eat fried chicken on the bone when they asked him how he would hunt victim. Stanton said I would find a girl walking. Sometimes those girls were in my own neighborhood. As he stopped young women drive in to and from his job so fast forward to two thousand five in Daytona. When small articles started appearing in the local newspaper body found near the river or local woman found dead very vague? No information after a few these popped up. I knew we had another serial killer down but Tourism Isakov Communities Lifeblood and it was kept very hush hush to date the Daytona be. Serial killer is being looked at for twenty one murders but the case went cold and we were left scared and wonder what was in Twenty Nineteen. Everything came full circle law enforcement caught the Daytona Beach serial killer when his DNA was linked to four women. Murdered from two thousand five to two thousand seven. At the time he was being held on suspicion of another twenty sixteen murder in south Florida. I can still hear my dad's voice saying don't trust anybody so Robert Hayes the Daytona beach serial killer was a criminal justice major. He knew how to get away with murder and how to hide in plain sight and the news media replayed Gerald Stan being arrested at that chicken joint. We love so much. Go figure thank you. My name is Melissa. And I'm GonNa talk about Florida's skunk eight. I grew up in east central Florida and heard a lot of stories off and on through the years about our version of bigfoot. Here called the skunk ape. My Dad had all kinds of crazy stories from firemen. Policemen who'd be out responding see things never in a million years? Did I dream that it would actually happen to me and my partner? So this actually happened in two thousand and two. I haven't reported to the Farro but I've been thinking about it now that my partners retired him and I worked together for nearly ten years. And we've been through a lot together I'm a retired. Firefighter paramedic and I work on an ambulance. Now at the time Him In our work together at the Fire Station in Oak Hill Florida. About eleven o'clock one night we received a call backup some other first responders work in a bad motor vehicle crash at the end of Lake. Harney road this was on the hosting side of May town road. If you're not familiar with that It's a long stretch of very desolate road two lane highway. That is surrounded by tree farms. It's about eighteen miles one way at the time. Carney road was rural and unpaved Sandy washboard. It's all paved now but back. Then it was a really rough area. It was a full moon and it was really bright out. We drove our engine down Lake Harney road. We made a right then left at the time. The area around there were all fields of that native grass in some sparse pine trees. My partner was driving and we saw a dead deer. That look like it'd been hit by a car lying on a curve on the west side of the road in it looked looked pretty fresh as we pass the Dior My supervisor called requested that we stay around there were we could see down farther and we could see that there were a lot of emergency vehicles parked down there and they just asked to stay in that area just to not a log. Jam The whole area so we ended up parking the engine about two hundred feet south of where we saw that deer. We turned off our headlights. Amway staged in the road with her running lights on. We were talking for a while and I think I did stop for a few minutes. Well I woke up when our supervisor called back and released us to go back to our station because they didn't need us. We had to drive down pretty pretty far to find a place to turn around because it goes from Pine uplands to really wet Swamp type area so we finally got turned around and on the way back. I noticed that the deer was gone and I said to him. Look at that. What happened that deer and he just liked said something like quick. Like wow. That's weird that dierks gone and that was it well. We didn't talk about it. After that eight months later we were sitting around the station and my partner asks me if I remember that Call Lake Arni road with the missing dead deer. I started to tell him. I thought it was a panther that drug it off. I remember this whole situation really clear because at the time I was involved with Florida Panther Conservation. I mean I was really into it. I even started carrying like a plaster of Paris. Kit Case only tracks you know and I remember thinking that night. Wow I bet a panther drug that off. I should've looked in the road for tracks and I thought about that for a while and I was frightened about that. It was like a missed opportunity for me. Well my partner stopped me right there and he said Nope it was absolutely not a panther. He said he was looking in. The driver's side Mirror won a very large figure. I mean he said it was probably at least seven or eight foot tall. Cross the road in two steps it picked up the deer slung it on its shoulder and walked into the fields. He said he wasn't able to make out any other. Are Glaring details other than it was just big and fast and dark? He did say that he instantly knew in his heart. He was not looking at a man. My partner kept it from me because he said he didn't want me to beat afraid to be in the woods you know because we've we have brushfires stuff all the time you know. You don't WanNa be scared working out there. Well after he told me about seeing that crip did we never talked about it after that and I kept it to myself. I know that he was really afraid that if that story got out that he'd seen that that the other firemen would pick on them or just you know ready to kill that type of thing. Well his story really scared me him and our partners for nearly ten years and we were really tight and to me. His word is gold. I still run calls out in that same area. But I'll tell you what I sure as hell don't run calls out there at night. Have a good evening. You've been listening to four hundred shines.