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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 148 - Wesley Bell

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 148 - Wesley Bell

"Yes. Yes. Welcome into the Tim occurred and show on the inside STO podcast network from the home loan expert dot com studios. Our guest this week new Saint Louis county prosecuting attorney Wesley bell presented by Mark Hanna of evergreen wealth strategies, as all of our guests on the Tim occurred and show our and Wesley bell is the one known throughout not just the Saint Louis area. But I think the country because he pulled off one of the biggest upsets in politics in August by defeating longtime Saint Louis county prosecuting attorney, Bob McCulloch, and the reason why it got national notoriety is because many viewed as a referendum on Ferguson. And so that made people discuss Ferguson once again, and so it was good to get Wesley into the hormone expert that com- studios to get his perspective on whether or not he felt that was the case get his background. Why this office was something? He had been interested. In for a very long time. And then also what he wants to do differently. I really enjoyed this conversation. And I know that Pete our producer and Nick our videography for really enjoyed it as well. As Nick says as a young cat at twenty three twenty four years old because. Yeah, usually, I the politics ones, I'm not all that into he goes. But this one I really liked and and so I I hope that you give this listen a chance and and learn something about the new Saint Louis county prosecuting attorney, Wesley bell. He is presented by Marquette of evergreen, wealth strategies has all of our guests are the end of the year is fast approaching and this is the time to get your year. End finances set up for a lot of us. We have young kids and planning for education costs on our minds. Marquette reminded me that in both Missouri, Illinois, you may be eligible for a state tax deduction for putting money into a five twenty nine plan bought for two thousand eighteen you have to put the money in by the end of the year. Don't wait things are always. So busy. For all of us in for most of us. We put off doing things to last minute. Call Mark Hanna at three one four eight nine zero five zero three and he can help you figure out if a college savings plan is the right thing for your needs. Talk to Mark Hanna with evergreen, wealth strategies. Evergreen S T L dot com. Mark helps everyday people meet their financial goals by helping them to create a clear picture of their finances. It's Mark Hanna of evergreen wealth strategies are presenting sponsor of our guest this week here on the Tim Kernan show, Wesley bell. All right Wesley. I'm going to start with it. Because I see it gets you fired up. And that's that's that's very football. So I gotta I gotta go with the thing is going to get you going your, Missouri guy. I'm a Missouri guy class of two thousand one was very law. This moment is we sit here. Now who knows what's going to happen? But Missouri is coming off the Kentucky loss low-floor little frustrating. It is a little frustrating. But I'll say this. I believe in Barrio Odem. Do you're on the record. I am on the record believe in Barrio them. He actually reached out to me. So I got we texted a few towns that right? I think he's I think he is on the right track, which is right there right there on the cusp. This is a good team. And I think that game even though we, you know, there was some things at the end that that contributed to the loss. But this is a talented team that they're putting together I think they can play with anybody. Maybe not Alabama too. I think I think we're heading in the right direction. How do you do, you know, Barry from berry, and I had some classes together when we were very. Yeah. Now, I don't know from that. I just knew him from now being reached out. Yeah. Caught me completely off guard. He didn't have to do that. And he invited me up to come. You know to come up to the to the campus. But I just like the attitude I think is the no nonsense and I'm big on accountability. He doesn't point fingers. You know, he he takes the blame. If there's something even if it's not his fault. But but that was a tough one that was a tough loss. I'm still hurting about that. Couple this year. We're we're we're we're heading in the right direction and your cardinal fan as well. From Saint Louis. Like for me. It's like like the nineteen eighties. Cardinals to me or like the food. I grew up on. So Vince Coleman's my guy Willie McGee Willie McGee. John feeders. My favorite picture of eighty five. He started off like oh and five and then he went on a heater when he wanted. No, I'm five Carlos my favorite. The the heat is on right. That's what I go up on. I still I, and that's what as much as I love Matt carpenter. I do I hate him in lead up because I want a guy who can ride that was raised and it's calming. It's called me. Right. Would sit there and watch the first base pit because it was a pit because it was the turf, and I would watch the first base pit when he was on more than home plate because I wanted to watch him turn and just like fly this McGee go from I the best. He was like on an angle he's looking a forty five degree angle when he would make the turn. He'd looked like a complete nine athlete that he was probably the best of the greatest. It was the greatest where did you go to high school? I went to Saint Louis question. Obligated to ask it Hayes witty Spartans Barton here. Ninety two oh shit by the Saint Louis U hygiene, junior billions in the. Threats it go there. Steve Schnur, Jason dulick. But you know, what it since you went there? We were kind of Lou kinda played on emended. The the weather was horrible. Oh, no. You're gonna you're gonna go. His source by. Out with spikes in the second half. Iky knows kids mean for the regular clean for slipping and sliding man gives us a even playing field. It wouldn't be like a rematch twenty-five years. Even now. Yeah. I love to see that. How? To see that. Yeah. Stirred do a look and Pfeiffer. There was some teams had some we have some dogs the mining cross who yes was defensive coordinator played flanker. So we did that that something to reverse the money was my Lee blacker. So I had this six three guy. I couldn't even see around following them. But Ronnie ward made it to the league he played for the dolphins for few years the year before us was Terrell Fletcher. Yeah. Who made played who had a great career at San Diego. So yeah, we we have some we have some good players. Then had not been for weather. You guys would have found that house as well. Preston gives me. President freeze if you're mutual mutual for impressive Humphry, you might be stunned to hear that. I wasn't a part of that Saint Louis U. Hi team being the physical specimen that. I am that would have been a huge shock via isn't it? It's a mystery Gary cornfield, he would've won. Would it be Jeff said if you played you? But you did place words that be Gabriel's in grade school, I cut from the freshman football team, the freshman basketball team, the freshman baseball team AM. That's exactly right. I'm a late bloomer? Zack. So I was talking with Preston any said, whatever you want to know. I think the world of Wesleyan I said, oh, cool. I certainly want to certainly wanna know whatever he goes interesting. He's never said that he's never said that to you said to me text me that. And I said, well, I said how what's what's what's the story? How did this all come? How this all come to pass it? And he said, I know some people probably won't even believe this. But he had his eyes on being the Saint Louis county prosecuting attorney before Ferguson because you felt like you could tell the system was out of lack and you wanted to be the person to help lead the change, and this is pre Ferguson. He said, I know he goes, I know people won't believe that, but that's the truth because I've known them for so long and think the world of him as a as a man of integrity, and and you know, what? And. Not only Preston. But a few other of my friends have reminded me of that. Because sometimes you get caught up in the here. And now, you know, Ferguson that was a lot of work. You know, we really have to roll up our sleeves and help. You know, move the city from where it was in two thousand fourteen to where it is now. But yeah, you know, I started off as a public defender, and I worked so I would tell with that office a lot. And there were just things that I thought that they were opera -tunities to do so much more. That would not only help people would also keep Saint Louis county safer. And and so, yeah, he he is well as a couple other friends independently reminded me of that that that's that that that is a position that I always thought the man there's been a there's potential to make a big impact. A matter of fact of friend of mine, he's a now he's a partner at Samford. Phoenix Timmel leery. I got a chance to and what we've been doing is. We've been kind of on our listening tour and reaching out to members of law enforcement all across the region attorneys, but also community groups, and so one of the stops was at Sanford, Phoenix and into malaria pulled me to the side. He was like, you know, we talked about this like. Fifteen years ago. I don't play fifteen years ago something in that range. I mean, I've been practicing for seventeen years, and I started as a public defender and Tim at the time was a prosecutor in the city at circuit attorney's office. And yeah, he reminded me of that conversation. And and I know Preston. We I would confide in him too with with just about anything. Yeah. A lot of people are reminded me of those conversations. And and and so, yeah, it it is a, you know, it is a blessing. It is. I I am honored. And I take this very seriously. And and I think there's some things that we can do good again. I think the job of the county prosecutors to help people, but also Pete people safe and those aren't mutually exclusive. Yeah. I I think back to fifteen years ago. So you're just two years or move from law school at this point. Why were you thinking if it is indeed right around that time when you were thinking, why did you identified that is something that you want to aspire to it's such a young age? You know, I it wasn't so much that I actually thought it would happen at that time is just was one of those things. Like, man, if I had my choice of jobs, I think that's where I go at that time politics was not on my radar. And so. But just working as a, you know, as a public defender, representing the most vulnerable the poorest people in our communities. So I'm seeing it from the lowest levels. You know, relative, anecdotally speaking, and and I just thought that there was an opportunity to really make an impact in and you can see I can see early on that you know, as any young attorney. You wanna make a difference? And you think eight one day I could be a judge, and then I can really make a difference and and several years ago. I got that that I that honored that opportunity and once I got that opportunity, and it didn't take me long to realize. Now, the real impact is from the prosecutor's office as the judge ninety plus percent of the cases by the time. They reach me, they're already resolved. But the prosecutor in addition to working out plea deals decides who gets charged or who doesn't get charged or you know, as a municipal court prosecutor now, I can say, hey, you got this ticket or you got you had this whatever. Or a violation. If you do X, then I won't charge. You you go to driving school. We'll we'll dismiss you find you have that ability to help people. And so now as the county prosecutor, I'm looking at that from a bigger scale, there's more that we can do and I'm a big advocate for implementing and further expanding diversion programs like drug treatment programs and mental health programs for nonviolent offenders. And so again, I want to be clear so people don't misconstrue once you commit violent offenses. That's a different ball game. You're going to be held accountable. But we're, but we know that most people don't jump right into violent crimes they start at nine violent crimes. And if we catch him there, give them the treatment the tools, they need the job skills. The mental health care. They are significantly less likely to progress to the violent crimes, and so we're going to expand that and there's another win that we get out of that by not focusing so many resources on misdemeanor marijuana. Possession which is not harming anyone. Now, we can take those same men hours those same woman hours, and we allocate them to the series in violent crimes. So now, not only are we helping people at the low levels who aren't who don't threaten the community, and they just need help. But now we have more resources to focus on the series stuff. Yeah. That's that's something I think's gonna catch a lot of people's attention. I think and I could be wrong on this. But on election night. The biggest news was your win. And I think in part because people didn't even realize that that Bob McCulloch was in a position to lose. I really think that was part, especially as we know Saint Louis is divided and especially south of del mar. So to speak more going, whoa. What's what's what's going on here? So let's start with your campaigning your decision to run. What was your thought process when you decided to run for this office? So I I think there's three things that you need to do if you're going to run for office. So if anybody cares. A my thoughts here. Yeah, I one you gotta you can't can see particular areas. You can't go in San. Hey, I'm only going to focus on one group. No. If you're the county prosecutor you represent all the Saint Louis county. And so we weren't going to say, hey, we're just gonna focus in north county may county. Now, we went out and actively campaigned in South County and west county. I wanted to make sure everyone out there felt that they had a voice in the reforms in the in in our administration. And I thought that was important to set that tone early. I think you have to Secondly, you gotta you gotta you gotta look at the numbers. You got to you have to put a plan together. You gotta put cook people around you. I'm I was fortunate to have some really good people Josie Nielsen who's here's who's here in studio. The Rhonda Wilson who's worked on every? Campaign people like Preston for who's always been supportive. But so me in so many of his name names because then I'll started leaving people out love you guys if you. But you want to get good people in place put a plan together and execute that plan. You know, one thing that I learned early is that there's going to be a lot of. There's going to be a lot of pitfalls. There's going to be a lot of distractions. But when you're on the defense for losing you gotta stick to your plan. You're gonna hear Laszlo about you. And if you run for office, and I'm guessing a year field to you're probably going to hear just stuff made. It's yeah. It's it's not fun. But you gotta you gotta be able to take it that's part of it. And and and I've learned that, you know, I get taxman this person say this about you. And you know, when the first time, I ran it just crush me. I'm like, really like, you know, you see yourself as a nice guy. And then all of a sudden overnight, you're villain to some people. And I've been called all kinds of names. But, you know, a learn to roll with the punches and so get a good team around. You executed. You stay on you stay on that plan. And then you let those good people do their job. You know, when I look at people like, Tim, swill Josie all types of people, man, we fuss and fight all the time. But then we work it out. And then we move forward. And then last you got to look at the temperature of the room. You gotta know you gotta look at, you know, an NBA objective about what does the county need or whatever air you're running for what's needed, and what messages will resonate. And so we thought that with so much division in the county that we wanted to push a message of inclusion that everyone had a plate a seat at the table where you were from South County where wherever you were from west county north county mid-county at you had a seat at this table, and that we weren't about we we were about bringing people in we disagree. We don't always see eye to eye, but we gotta be willing to work together. And so we knew that that would be a message that would resonate. And then and then we also knew that it was there was a need for reform. We have a broken criminal Justice system. And there are a lot of entities that can help improve that none graded in a county prosecutor. And so. We stuck to that message. You know, we heard all kind of of of of stories, oh, you know, even though have served as a judge a prosecutor defense attorney public defender will he's not qualified. He hasn't tracking lengthy, and it was a public defender. Are you serious? We're hearing that he hasn't tried to k-. Try first case a month out of law school where did that come from? Well, you know, but that's politics. You know, and again, I don't begrudge, you know, people when they're running for office for trying to win. And so my opponent pushed out a narrative and with some people it took hold. But, you know, fortunately, the people in the know, you know, like attorneys new, and I tried thirty cases in my first few years out of out of law school was on the public defenders. That's not a place you can just sit around. And then even after that in three when I opened my practice, I primarily did defense work. So in addition to try and. So many jury trials I mean, I was in juvenile courts adult courts, I mean, you know, I've, you know, I've cut my teeth, and I and I and I think I've. I think I've earned my key. But that's what you're going to hear. So, but you don't you keep moving, and we're not going to we want to going to sit back and get distracted by the nonsense and the and the lives we were going to stay on on. The message continue to bring people in run a campaign was inclusive. Notice we were not going to go negative on Mr. McCullough. We didn't do that. We kept positive. We kept into the issues. Hey, we're in the home loan expert dot com studios with Wesley bell for this week. And always grateful for Ryan Kelly for being a loyal sponsor of the Tim occuren- show. He's been with us from the very beginning in that means so much because without them. We wouldn't have a podcast, and he knows that. And that's why I say, hey, Ryan, I'm appreciative. And I want to make sure audience knows that if they like the podcast, you gotta support the sponsors. Ryan Kelly is online at the home loan expert dot com. If you're buying a home, or if you're refinancing, make sure you go to the home loan expert dot com, and when you do you'll. 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There was a we had our small band of merry men and women, and we went into this knowing that we could win this race. Now as a candidate you're going to ride the roller coaster of emotion. So yeah, there was times when I was like, oh, man. There's no way we can win. But for the most part, you know, we put that plan in place. We knew where we add to get voter turnout. We knew we wanted to reach out in take votes that weren't supposed to be ours. But what we saw in those last eight weeks was just the momentum. That was just the energy. That was just insane everywhere. We went people would come up and say, you know, what not only my voting for you. I three kids in a house who voting we're gonna make sure they vote matter of fact, I'm going to pass out literature in my neighborhood, the energy was crazy. And so I think the media was probably the last of really realize because I think that's six to eight week Mark, you know, the when I would be out on the streets. People would come to me and just say you don't win this. And and Josie can remember conversation where about a week or two before the election, we stop and got stopped at a fast food restaurant, and we sat outside just to stretch talk before our next meeting and just in that ten minutes. We were there. Three people walk up get out of the car. I know you you're Wesley. I'm voting for you. It was. Just the energy was just infectious. And and so yeah, of course, I was scared, and I wasn't gonna take anything for granted you're running against the twenty seven year incumbent, but in my heart of hearts, not only did we believe that we were going to win. We thought we were going to win decisively. And you know, fortunately, we were able to fortunately with the help of a lot of people in a lot of voters and a the loudest supporters. I think I think one of the things that I love when somebody sits down, and I have the opportunity especially in podcast format because limited to one hundred forty characters and we at some point we can do that as well. Just reminding you just to get your Bryce Harper takes the. But but also that it's not a fifteen second sound bite. So context is lost. And you mentioned something that I have dealt with in my career that drives me up the wall. But like I said I'm used to it, and I would imagine. Now you've gotten used to it. Which is when people write things were safe things that you know, are not true. But they still get set. And I feel like one of the things that was talked about was oh Wesley hasn't. Tried a case. Yeah. We've tended to that. And then secondarily as well. The thing about Bob mcculloch's. He was really hard on crime Wesley bell is not going to be hard on crime. I feel like that is also in some capacity at this moment a narrative that is out there. So it's out there. Whether it's accurate or not you're sitting here. What's your response to that? So I'm a I'm a I'm a data person. You know, I think that until you track data, everything is the medical. And so here's the data that we know since two thousand twelve our homicide rate is up over one hundred percent in Saint Louis county. Violent crimes are up. I think about seventy six percent and Saint Louis county. So that approach whatever you to label. It is not working. And so we're going to do and what I support our in. I'm going to say something that's to me in my opinion, simple v. It's so profound I support policies that work. And so when we look at when I talked about diversion programs. What we know is that when you take a some when you take someone who has a drug addiction, and you treat that addiction research. Other case studies around the country show that they are significant. Less likely to re-offend your biggest demographic of offenders are refunders. And so if we start. Addressing the issue. Stop trying to prosecute our way out of addiction. Because the the traditional motto is prosecute them. At the minimum put him on probation. Now, my conviction rate goes higher. But all you do is exacerbate the addiction because our jails aren't the best of rehabilitating people. And now, they are less marketable. They can't get a job. And so if if if you're an individual who man, I can go out on the streets and make a couple of thousand a week four. I can go the straight and narrow and get a job at a fast food restaurant making minimum wage, and then we scratch our head when people re-offend so what we gotta do is start catching those non violent offenders before they progress to the violent offenses that makes us safer. It saves us taxpayer dollars. We clear it costs about thirty thousand dollars a year to incarcerate someone you save ten to fifteen thousand dollars per year. When you use these kind of programs for nonviolent offenders. And then lasted helps people. So it's a win win across the board. It brings your crime rates down Kansas City, which has half our population half the population of Saint Louis county. They have eighty percent more people in drug treatment than we do. Saint Louis county treats about seventy five people a year out of one point one million people. That's it our mental health doctors, and you can all go on the Oscar website. And look this up yourself. You can look at the mental health. Treatment program in Saint Louis county. We're talking about through the courts, and this is a lot to do with the prosecutor's office. We know that one in four Americans are struggling with mental health issues. We know that with the those who come in contact with the Justice system fifty to sixty percent needs some kind of mental health care there. Twelve people in the mental health treatment docket and Saint Louis county twelve not twelve hundred at twelve thousand twelve in. So when we're lacking these people up with mental health issues now violent offenders, guess what they come out. Now, they are more likely to reinvent. So when I'm looking at doing we're going to be smart, we're going to we're going to stop focusing so many resources on lack in non violent offenders up. Now violent offenders up. We got partners who are already jumping in the fold like a Finney who who is going to be working with us to expand our health care our treatment programs, and we're going to be able to take those same. Prosecutors who would be spending countless hours on non. Violent crime such as drug drug possession. And now we can reallocate them to the violent and serious crimes. And I think that's going to keep us safer, and it's shown to keep us safer in bring our crime rates. Now that is some fascinating data. I think a lot of people probably aren't aware of the vast majority of the numbers that you just stated one of the things that I've found in traveling around the country, whether it be on the road with the cardinals for spring training or just going on vacation you say where are you from Saint Louis? Oh, man. How's it doing? 'cause they like they assume that Ferguson was like the the whole area. But as I understand it the first car that was set on fire was right in front of your your home. Is that don't have. Yeah. One of the first year. And it was it was kind of scary in a sense that I was watching on television. And the initial report showed a there was a the angle was from a distance. So I saw my building and. I saw fire and I'm thinking, oh, man. I'm not my place is burning down. Then they the close up, and you could see but still that's pretty scary. And and you know, and at some point when they stopped covering it. You just didn't know. And so yeah, that was that was that was scary to drive home. And and just see this literally like a war zone. The next day when the the national guard came in it was literally surreal to see in my neighborhood where I live armed guards like pull into my parking space, and there's like a Hummer from the national guard. That was that's not something you expect to see in the United States of America. But you know, we, you know, we we went to work and a lot a lot of people not just in Ferguson, but around the region went to work, and I think that me being in this office is a manifestation of the need to address that narrative because. Amazon are other companies aren't going to come here. If there's the perception that there's a crime problem families aren't going to re- relocate to Saint Louis if they if there's a perception of of a of a issue with crime. And so I think in addition to keep in Saint Louis county residents safer, I think it's incumbent on myself as well as other leaders to start changing that narrative, and so that we can make this a destination city once again, there's a perception that your win in part was a referendum on Bob mcculloch's, handling Ferguson. What do you think, you know? I think that having knocked on thousands of doors. I think to some people there was some truth to that others and many people who are knocked on doors. You said, you know, what we need to change the criminal. There's been an awakening an awareness of the need for criminal Justice reform and dressing issues of mass incarceration. I mean, we incarcerate the home of the brave land of the free. We incarcerate more people than any country on earth that should be problematic. And and so I think there's a there's probably several things an amalgam of things that contributed to why different people voted voted for me. But but yeah, I think there's some who did feel that. There was some unfairness in the way that it was handled and but at the same time, I don't want to not at least acknowledge those who felt other e you know, that that's all other reasons of of why we needed to change people who told me like, you know, what we got to change what our city looks like I would our community would our county looks like in. So that I think there was an amalgam amalgam of things that contributed one of the things I find one of the elements of this show is we take questions from the audience, and I feel like every week Wesley. I get people said, what are your opinion on this? With regard to Saint Louis. I grew up in south city. And so this will oftentimes come up and that is. You know, what do you think about where Saint Louis sits in twenty eight teen? And I tell the story of growing up and south city hundred percent true. My family still lives there Tam avenue before after your NFL football career. I'm just saying we talked. I played in the league for years at linebacker now. Living in Huntley, of course. The same. Yeah. Exactly. We're on the same team. But I recall growing up, I didn't understand it. And there was there was somebody on our street in remember hearing if one of them moving we're putting a for sale sign on a front. I remember thinking to myself. What does that what I don't get it? What does that mean? And I'm thinking that like it's six or seven years old. And so I have always anytime. I talk about the state of Saint Louis so to speak. I talk about what I believed to be monstrous racial issue. And and so with regard to you and your election in specifically to what we were just talking about with Garda, Ferguson. I feel like if you live in one part of the region, you feel like Ferguson was mishandled. And if you live in another part of the region, of course, you can't paint this with an entire brush. But I'm I would imagine the data would shows you feel like Ferguson was handled properly. And so then to have a conversation about it. It's like, it's all it's almost like talking politics right now, if you watch one station, you think this, and if you watch another station, you think that from your perspective, how do you view that case and the way with which it was handled, and that's what I can talk about. Because I'm not the county prosecutors of yet. So I can't review any evidence. So I don't know exactly if the right or wrong conclusion was drawn. But how it was hand? I can view that from someone who's been involved in the criminal Justice system for twenty years. Justice is about consistency. When you start changing up of process, you're going to lose the confidence of those who are saying, well, why are you treating this situation differently? You gotta be consistent. You got to be transparent. And I want people to understand this. The average grand jury hearing is forty five minutes to an hour. That's it. When you with a grand jury hearing, it is to bring evidence that supports probable cause. It's not to bring evidence supporting the defense. It is rare to invite the defendant to come into a grand jury hearing and to be able to just freely speak. Those things were were not handled the way that they have been handled for thirty years in Saint Louis county and probably beyond that in. So that breeds distrust in the process, and what I've always said is that if. And I'll use myself message as hypothetical if I believe that an individual should or should not be charged. I'm going to step up, and I'm going to say that and I'm gonna tell you why. And I'm going to be transparent and let you see the evidence to see why I reached that decision. So one thing that I've always that I'll take from Ferguson his that let people know where you stand. But in this situation, any attorney and don't take my word, if you know, some attorneys criminal Justice attorneys prosecutors defense attorneys if a prosecutor wants an indictment gonna get it. Now having said that. I'm focusing. And again as dancers in the context of how it was handled, and that's what I disagree with. And I've said that before and I'm not saying anything new I disagree with how it was handled because it wasn't handled consistently or consistent with how that office has handled. Similar cases are any cases in the past. And so don't know if the right conclusion was reached, you know, it's done. I mean, there's there's you know that they it was handled. It was done. It was decided the way it was decided that that that that's in the past. But what I will say is that going forward. You know, we're going to be consistent. We're going to be transparent, and we're going to answer questions. And if and if I'm making a decision be popular unpopular. I'm going to be guided by my conscious, and and be willing to stand up, and and say why and let people know why I should say. Well, I recently made the switch, and I'm very happy that I did. To James Carlton of the Carlton state farm insurance agency. And it's something as simple as this. But it means so much, you know, I I care about customer service. I was talking about customer service. But when it comes to insurance, and especially when you have a family. The the worst thing that could possibly happen is something devastating occurs. And you're thinking, you're covered. And then you're not covered. And so with whom I used to work I didn't ever hear from him. And you know, I think it was just kind of like a bit. Oh, well, if you need something hit me up, but if not, you know, we'll take your cash, and that'll be that. And so I got the sense in talking to a couple of people like you have this. Do you have this? And I'm like, honestly, I don't know. And then I bounce it off James, and he goes, well, honestly, I can't I can't tell you because I can't look at your policy, and he goes don't switch because then it's going to cause all these issues. I don't want to have that just goes, you know, happy with all the response. I'm getting from being on the podcast. That's great. But I don't wanna have chaos with you switch and agents because it's going to look like you're doing it just because um advertising, I'm like, I gotta be honest with you because what you've been on already for us. I gotta switch. My my responsibility is to my family, and then I meet with James and he points out of variety. The things that I didn't have one major thing. And then a couple of things that I could have that are so inexpensive Sonex. I mean, we're talking about like dollars like single digit. Just why not in. Here's the thing. There's a good chance you might not be covered for something that you think you are. And it just is giving you peace of mind in the customer service will get from James and the six people in his office. You're not gonna find anything better twice business is thriving. And why so many people in our audience have made the switch in the nice thing. Is it sound like you got to do much paperwork. They do it for you as numbers three one four nine six one forty eight hundred three one four nine six one forty eight hundred James Carlton, Carlton state farm insurance agency in the midterms we were inundated with constant. I mean, it's at nauseam. Adam is every commercial break, and it's every commercial in every commercial break and people are exhausted by it. And don't know who they can believe in who they can't to me my read is that I I say this is a compliment. But I can imagine you might. Oh, I don't wanna I don't. But as an idea. Somebody who who is working for the greater good man is doing this. Because you believe it's the right thing and the best thing for the area. But then oftentimes, I think there are people who go into office feeling that way. And then then the system or whatever it is makes them go. My god. This is this is so steep of a climb. I don't know if I'm going to be able to make the changes that I want to institute you are on the threshold of officially become the Saint Louis county prosecutor, how do you view that scenario because you know, you're going to have some battles? I think that you know, I have always had a problem with what I call career politicians and let me explain what I mean by career politicians. Those those individuals who have not. Who don't have any work experience a career to fall back on and not to criticize them, but it increases the likelihood of of being pulled by different interest groups when you have to worry solely about reelection. Because you don't have anything to fall back on. You know, I'm an attorney love practicing law. I love serving the public in that manner. I'm a professor at I had the criminal Justice department of Saint Louis community college. I love teaching young people. So I come into this from the from the mindset that I'm going to do what I think is right. And if at some point voters say we don't want you anymore. I'm gonna go right back to doing what I was doing loving loving what I do work working with young people be able to take more vacations. And so I think because of that I'm not as concerned about the reelection component. As I am like, look, we're going to roll up our sleeves, and we're gonna do the best job that we can that one advantage. I have and this is comparative to my time on the council, which technically I'm still only council. Is that as a council member anything that? I do I have to get approval of at least three more council persons as the prosecutor. I don't we have a lot of discretion. And I can go and can be abused or it can be used for good. I attended tend to use it for good. And so when we implement when we when I say that we're going to expand. The the number of people that we allow drug treatment and mental health treatment that's gonna get done. It's just a matter of how much we can do, but that's going to get done. And and so that's one of the things that has me excited about this position. Is that man look I'm going in? I'm going in. And I'm going to push and in these are things that I know will benefit Saint Louis county. And now having said that we're going to reach out, and we're gonna have partners in this. So have we been doing are listening tour with chief? There's I think about fifty cheese in this region. And and we probably met with about half of them so far. So my calendars been full we're going to work with the county council, we're going to work with the county executive. We're going to work with the judges who have also started meeting with. We're going to meet with community groups. This is going to be a partnership. This is going to be a we thing. Because one thing another thing that I've learned is that if you go it alone and things go wrong, it's harder to fix because. Now, people are pointing the finger at you. But when everyone's included on it, not only are you more likely to get to the right answer. But if you don't get to the right answer, we all take ownership and those are easier problems to fix I think a lot of people. You're going to hear you probably for the first time with the exception of maybe some soundbites on election night. And I like what this guy has to say this is encouraging because there are a lot of people go we need change in this region. Even I'm certain people who voted for Bob McCulloch in part. Maybe just out of they just did know any any other candidate, really, and Tim, and let me say this for those who didn't support and that support it my Ponant, look, I'm hoping to earn your support as well. So let's all get on board. You know, we're here for at least four years. Let's not let's not sit on the fence. Because these this is a public safety issue. This is about our community. So whatever side you fell on less. Let's circle the wagons, and and and and work together to to to bring Saint Louis county back. I think what people here that that go. This is this is somebody because it sounds similar in some capacity of Mark montavani who came in a couple of different times. And I think a lot of people are going to I wish he was close rate, especially considering all the circumstances from a from a political standpoint that would have made it on St.. Climb for him. And I think did he still almost one. But Mark sat here, and he goes listen now, he was I think around sixty two if I'm not mistaken, and it'd been very successful as as a businessman be I have no other interest in any other position politically other than Saint Louis county executive. You're young gentlemen here. Do you have aspirations, you know, it I is so funny. You people say, you know, you're running against the twenty seven year incumbent people saying you can't win. And as soon as you win like before you take office in seriously, I've gotten this question, so many times, listen, I am focused on January first we want to hit the ground running. And so this is the opportunity of a lifetime. I I can't tell you. How honored I am to serve Saint Louis county in this particular position. So you know, there's other people who are who are talking about other things man, I'm in the an dream job. So I'm not thinking about that. Now who knows what the future hope? I'm not gonna sit here and say something, and then we have to come back on the packet you play for years, we played it. I'll hold you accountable. So I'm not going to go there. But I'm just telling you, and I think we can you know, you intimated with the conversations with Preston. And and and others is that this is a job that I that. I I I'm just excited about I think this, you know. You know, they say you don't if you love what you're doing. You don't work a day in your life. And when people say man, like, you know, like they know have only have maybe five or six days off since January. But it doesn't feel I'm tired. But it doesn't feel that way. Because I love what I do. I love the people that I'm around, you know, like, you know, just driving over here. Like, we were joking. You know, we I had a good crew that we we'd like each other. And so man, I'm in. I'm I'm living the dream right now. So I'm focused on January first, and that's all I can do is ask. Share? So you wanna talk about some some sports. And that's certainly what I do in part for a living. You've already you've already acknowledged Saint Louis U. Hi superiority in nineteen Ninety-one, which gentlemanly of you. And and I think people already knew it. But it was kind of you to interviews over. To acknowledge that I can't work. So what is what is growing up? Like is there a mum or even now like your favorite as a Saint Louis area sports fan? I'm the new guy you look at it. And that was the best because to me there's one stands out for me that I can't even believe happened. And that's game six of the two thousand eleven World Series. That was like euphoric after euphoric after euphoric and it culminates with the homeroom. Let me tell you my story about games. So I'm in a I'm a season ticket holder in a season ticket pool. And and so when the playoffs come we draw for for for tickets, you're drawing or not drafting so we draft our games during the regular season. But then we draw in the play offs. And you know, now, it's channel right? Exactly. So one of the games. I drew was game. Six all. Here's the thing. Though. I am a die-hard cardinal fan. And so they were on the verge of elimination. I had no interest in being there if they were eliminated. That's how I was in the eighty seven and LCS I didn't want to be there. And my thoughts were if they do win one of my bucket list items is to be at a clinching game and gang seven of a World Series. That's like super book. Absolutely. So I trade it game six game set. I think that's a good deal. I mean, I realized we're doing results oriented here. I get that. I'm not saying it was a bad deal. But. Tiny deal. Well, but there was no guarantee that it would be a game. So you bay the trade the day of the day before. Okay. Yeah. Right. Right. Something like that. And so I missed an iconic game in as a matter of fact, our my seats are. Ten feet from where the home run with it. I would have got that ball grasp it right there on the end. So I'm right there on the hand it would have been easy Hypo. Taking out take you. So. Yeah. But I got to see game seven. I was there. And where I was sitting and I got to throw confetti because they they come around. I didn't know this. I guess there's not a lot of protocol. Because it doesn't happen. They bring it up to the top. And they asked people on the end. Hey, you wanna throw this house? Throwing confetti was awesome. So yeah, it was still nice. But yeah, I wish I would have been able to go to game six. Well. So here is here. So I'm so we have something in common on this. I often eighty-seven when I'm ten years old. I guess I just heard eleven the he was on baby. That's right. And I was so into it that I didn't wanna see the giants. Celebrate on the cardinals field. But we were lucky enough to get you were thinking eighteen. Yes, that's how I think you're pretty eyes. As it is. But now, so I don't want to go to the game whiny little south city kid. I don't wanna watch the giants celebrate Jeffrey Leonard and the one flap down. I don't wanna watch that hated Jeffrey lay chili Davis, and he's on a cow towns that are cowbells all over game six, but we wound up going the cardinals winning and then they wind up winning a game seven. But here I am. Now nearly thirty years later I'm covering cardinals. An Astros game five in two thousand five is this the home run. Yes. Okay. So I'm nearly thirty now. So you would think there'd be some emotional maturity? No, there's not, and I I was working at Cam Lovie. And so the games past ten thirty. So I'm not going to have to go live. So I'm just essentially there's a fan at this point. And I'm in my hotels, just a couple of blocks down for minute maid park. And I'm like these Astros fans are going crazy. I don't wanna be here when they win because Lance Berkman hit like a little flip home run down that was Crawford boxes, which is like three hundred feet away. And I was pissed so I'm leaving. I'm going to watch the rest of it, my hotel room and so. So when pool holes at the ball off a league. I'm in my hotel room because I didn't wanna watch the Astros. I'm nearly thirty years old when this happens it's inexcusable. This is what this is. How messed up I am. But Tim, I feel your pain. Like when the cardinals lose like, I'm in a horrible mood all day still. I do I'm in a bad mood. You know, and I'm the I'm petty like that like the team that I hate most is always the team. That's beat the cardinal. You know, the the giants. I hate the giants. I I don't understand anyone who like my mom when the cubs were in the World Series a couple years ago, we have family in Chicago. So she was like kinda rooting because. Well, they've never won our families up there. I'm like mom, are you serious? You don't hear mechanic, and I love my mother's best friend in the world. I didn't talk to her for a day. It's horrible. I know that it's the problem. And so I'm trying to develop some emotional maturity when it comes to the the cardinals and the and Mizzou, and I'm I hate the Rams because they left that something by the entire retake down and trying not to be pettily. But I I don't like the way it's more cranky. It's more crimes. They kicked the region on the way out the door. They lied and kind of what we're talking about early. You know, stand up and said, hey, I can't blame you for wanting to move to LA. But don't let I think that's what we don't kick the body on the way out the door. I don't get for the life. We supported them more. So than they're being supported in fans there than the calcium. The Rams fans are undefeated we still get higher. Nielsen ratings for Rams games. Hate wifely Tate washing. It's hard. And now they're gonna go onto. Mizzou football moments or any Mizzou football moment. One of my favorite events. I've ever been to for real like I've been lucky enough to go to a lot of these things beating Kansas to become number one and two thousand seven Tom reasoning has the sod and his helmet as they come off the field anything stand out to you. 'cause we've had some good fortune here over the last ten or eleven years with being a win away from playing for the national championship. Whoever thought that when we were down there. Yeah. I agree. I agree. And and this is a another emotional episode with me because one of my best friends is an oh you fan. So he's been torment Kim strawbridge will probably be listening to this. He is tormented tormented me because he's usually been on the winning side in. I think that was the year where we were one game away. Title rate of the worst still upset about that. And so we've had a lot of heartache as masseuse visit fifth down. And I'm telling you in the in the in when we started talking about Mizzou history that pass interference call last week is one of them. And I'm not one that I know how hard it is to be an official referee. I know that's tough. But that's Deccan Jewish. That was a horrible call. We had an opportunity to beat the number two team in the nation, and it was taken. Now, there's some things that we did that mess it up. So I'm trying to think of, you know, I'm I'm probably with you is, you know, just getting there close to the national title, which I would've never thought. Yeah. And that the the the game against the was it Auburn Auburn in two thousand thirteen or Trey Mason raises yards gain to walk into the building that day and go oh my God. Glove game. Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean, he's got gloves. Seriously, make them throw. Club. But I try not to are on the negative stuff. But his Mizzou fans is hard not to because it, you know, but we've we have some good runs. And. Yeah. So I think that's where I would. I know I'm still reeling from down. You have Titus Edney of the flea kicker gets Nebraska, you have Norfolk state northern Illinois first the first round and to turn on northern Iowa eighty eight or eighty nine the three pointer from the side thing, I was in junior high or something like that our teacher. Let us watch it on television. And you know, we got after eight P Doug Smith with thinking on his team. We're going deep and then seriously northern went Edney that hurt. Yeah. The biggest upset in NCWA history statistically, Missouri, north Norfolk state two thousand twelve right? And they were that big of a favorite now, the potential the Quin Snyder years, you're thinking man, this is our time the guy he's getting recruits than. It was a mess. Five favorite moment. I think they'll have to be Steve Schnur to Jason dulick, fourth and twenty-five Melville. And I think that was after slew had beaten Hazelwood. Can I go? I just got. It's gotta finish with the knockout punch. I mean, what else am I gonna do nicely? Thank you so much out the UA. Thanks so much for coming in Minamata. Pleasure. Thank you. So there it is Wesley bell with us here on the Tim Kernan show, always welcoming your feedback. Email me at t mckernan at inside S T, L dot com. That's TMC K E R N A N inside ST L dot com. Always want your feedback. And and I enjoy having the very least reading and like I say often. But I say even though it's repetitive. Even if my response is not very long, I've read the emails, and I do enjoy reading them. It's just I'm getting a lot of emails and can't give long responses, especially when people right super long emails, but I do like to get the feedback. So Email me at team mckernan inside St. L dot com. Thank you to all of our sponsors for making it possible. Thank you to Wesley for coming in and in gangster, Pete and Nick for producing the podcast and shooting videos. It is a great thrill to be able to interview so many people from so. Many different careers in Saint Louis area business, whether it be sports, entertainment, politics, media, whatever the case might be. And it's a credit to these guys that we continue to get the caliber of guests that we do. And then have the conversations that we do in questions from the audience and the pick six podcasts. Please subscribe at the Tim occurred and show I know that it's spreading by word of mouth. But do you subscribe? And you get and you can listen to it whenever you want. It is the Tim occuren- show on the inside STO podcast network. Ryan Kelly the home loan expert dot com studio sponsors, Marquette, evergreen wealth strategies, sponsor of our guests, James Carlton, Carlton state farm insurance agency. Mike Judy presents the fine sponsor of the Tim mckernan show. And then also Johnny Llandough Chevrolet and Seth gold camp of design air heating and cooling all making the program possible grateful for their support. Thank you for Wesley for coming in. And thank you to you for listening to another addition to the Tim mckernan show on the inside L podcast network.

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Rush Limbaugh Aug 03, 2020

Rush Limbaugh Morning Update

02:00 min | 4 months ago

Rush Limbaugh Aug 03, 2020

"At steeple, we believe investment advice is about more than helping you manage your wealth. Our investment advice is about you. It's about providing your kids with opportunities for a head start in life feeling secure in your retirement in realising dreams just may become a reality because you have a plan we believe in you, your path to investment advice starts with your full financial adviser. Find Your new steel financial adviser at Stephan Dot Com. That's Sti F. E. L.. Stifle, Nicholas Company INC member SIPC. Six years ago, the shooting of Michael Brown led to violent unrest in Ferguson Missouri Saint Louis Grand, jury weighed all the evidence. They found the police officer. In the case Darren. Wilson should not face charges because his actions were justified back. Then the prosecutor, Bob. McCulloch. Came under heavy criticism for presenting the case to a grand jury instead of giving into the loud demands to just charge Wilson with murder in two thousand, eighteen McCullough was defeated by. By. Wesley Bell who became the first African American to head the Saint, Louis Prosecutor's office bell and his new team of prosecutors reopened the Michael Brown case, they spent five months reexamining everything, the forensic evidence, the witness statements, entire case last Thursday prosecutor, Bell delivered a somber message. He said that his heart broke for the Brown. Family. But he would not be charging. Darren Wilson. The investigation could not prove that the officer committed murder or manslaughter. which is exactly what the grand jury had found six years earlier after being identified as a participant in a robbery Michael. Brown, tried to take the officer's weapon. It cost him his wife race was never the issue in this case should have become the issue hands up don't shoot never happened. This was about right and wrong and Michael Brown sadly was on the wrong side.

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Missouri Prosecutor Declines to Charge Ex-Cop Who Killed Michael Brown

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06:39 min | 4 months ago

Missouri Prosecutor Declines to Charge Ex-Cop Who Killed Michael Brown

"Missouri prosecutor declines to charge officer who killed Michael Brown, but says ex COP is not exonerated by Jim Salter of the Associated Press in Clayton. Saint Louis County's top prosecutor announced Thursday that he will not charge the former police officer who fatally shot Michael. Brown in Ferguson. Missouri a dramatic decision that could reopen old wounds amid renewed and intense national conversation about racial injustice and the police treatment of minorities. It was nearly six years ago that a grand jury declined to indict Darren. Wilson the white police officer who shot Brown a black eighteen year old civil rights leaders and Brown's mother had hoped that prosecuting attorney, Wesley Bell The county's first black prosecutor would reopen the case after he took office in. January. Twenty nineteen. My heart breaks for Michael's parents. Bell said during a news conference. I know this is not the result they were looking for, and that their pain will continue forever. Describing the announcement as one of the most difficult things I've had to do bell said that his office conducted a five-month review of witness statements, forensic reports, and other evidence. The question for this office was a simple one. Could we prove beyond a reasonable doubt that when Darren Wilson, shot, Michael, Brown, he committed murder or manslaughter under Missouri law after an independent and in-depth review of the evidence, we cannot prove that he did bell said, but he said our investigation does not exonerate. Darren Wilson. Wilson's attorney Neil Brunt triggered didn't immediately return phone and email messages from the. Associated. Press? The? August. Twenty fourteen police shooting touched off of unrest in Ferguson Missouri and made the Saint Louis suburbs. With a national debate over police treatment of minorities, the Ferguson unrest helped solidify the national black lives matter movement that began after Trayvon Martin. A black seventeen year old was shot to death in Florida in Twenty, twelve. The issue has taken on new life since George Floyd's death in Minneapolis in May after a white police officer pressed his knee into the handcuffed black man's neck for more than eight minutes. Ferguson is among cities around the world that has seen protests since Floyd's death. This is a time for us to reflect on Michael's life to support Michael's family and to honor a transformative movement that will forever be linked to his name Bell said. Bell who took office in? January. Twenty nineteen as a reform minded prosecutor promising to eliminate cash bail for nonviolent offenders and to increase the use of programs that allow defendants to avoid jail time faced no restrictions in reexamining Brown's death for potential murder charges. Wilson was never charged and tried. So double jeopardy was not an issue. There is no statute of limitations on filing murder charges as the news conference drew to a close one observer erupted in anger at Bell. It's over one term. The man who did not provide a name screamed at the prosecuting attorney police officers gently led the man from the room. The shooting happened after Wilson told Brown, and a friend to get out of the street as they walked down the middle of Canfield drive on a Sunday afternoon. A scuffle between Wilson and Brown ensued ending with the fatal shot. Wilson said Brown came at him menacingly forcing him to fire his gun and self defense. Brown's body remained in the street for four hours angering his family and nearby residents. Some people initially said Brown had his hands up in surrender when Wilson fired although a grand jury in the US, Department of Justice didn't find those accounts credible. Bells predecessor longtime prosecutor Bob McCulloch drew considerable criticism for taking the case to a grand jury rather than charging Wilson himself. Critics also accused McCullough of swaying the grand jury to its decision. Not to indict Wilson an accusation. He emphatically denied Wilson resigned days after McCulloch CTS, November twenty fourth twenty, fourteen announcement that the grand jury would not indict the officer. The Justice Department also declined to charge Wilson but issued a scathing report citing racial bias in Ferguson police and courts. Bell a former. Ferguson councilman upset McCullough a staunch low and order prosecutor in the twenty eighteen Democratic primary and ran unopposed November. Within days of taking office bell took steps to remove three veteran assistant prosecutors including. Kathy. Alizadeh who played a role in presenting evidence to the grand jury in the Ferguson case in his campaign to unseat McCullough bell focused on larger criminal justice issues not on McCulloch handling of the Wilson. Investigation. Bell who like McCullough is the son of a police officer said in an interview after the election that he would appoint independent special prosecutors for allegations of wrongdoing. By officers. He said he would support police two hundred percent as long as they act appropriately. But he said officers who violate the law must be held accountable. Brown's mother Lesley. McFadden asked Republican Governor Mike Parson to reopen the investigation in twenty eighteen saying bells win was a clear mandate from the people of Saint Louis to reform the criminal justice system which I begins with securing justice for my son. But Parson's office said it had no legal authority to appoint a special prosecutor. Calls to reopen. The Brown investigation also came from just enhance furred executive director of the Thurgood Marshall Civil Rights. Center in an August. Twenty nineteen Washington. Post. Op Ed he called McCullough ouster a sign of hope and change.

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Ferguson Revisited: A Prosecutors Power

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20:31 min | 1 year ago

Ferguson Revisited: A Prosecutors Power

"This episode of what next is sponsored by how to raise a parent a new podcast from dairy here in collaboration with sleep studios dairypure believes the world would be you better place if we reconnected to it's pure and innocent in ourselves and in each other that's what host mallory kasdan explores how to raise a parent throughout the series she talks six to parents and experts about how our kids can teach us to shift our perspectives conquer our fears and become more open to all the exciting things the world has to offer make sure to listen and subscribe to how to raise a parent where you get your podcasts previously on what next paulie shocked boy off them apartment given everything that's happened tonight. What makes you think that the cubs won't shoot us. Why does it bother me so much that that particular story is the myth people have been too to quiet too long in this area about the police violence. I'll never forget that night. Obviously i'm telling you about now almost twenty years later. You are teaching in ferguson right. We live there too. Yes that is true. At saint louis community college the floor in valley campus which is in ferguson back in two thousand fourteen wesley bell worked as a lawyer and a judge in saint louis county he was teaching too. I mean i read one one accounting. You are like sitting on your porch and you literally assad protesters go by is that is that accurate not a porch from our front yeah from the front door of the building that i was in yeah. <music> from the beginning wesley took on a very specific role in ferguson. He tried to be a peacemaker. He started going to protests. The day after michael brown was killed so just to kind of paint the picture because this was the first time that this protests was really happening. There were young kids there across the street the police department the police officers were barricaded in the police parking lot and the crowd which some people were angry. Obviously we understand that and approaching the police department and so several is about three or four of us we stood in the middle. We just knew of that crowd got to the to the police officers who were barricaded that something bad was going to happen so we stood in the middle just to try and calm tensions and keep the peace and and fortunately nothing happened the day but then there was the day after and the day after that eventually eventually when a grand jury declined to indict police officer darren wilson after shooting michael brown wesley had to make a choice stay or go so yeah that that that night i did have to leave on the streets of ferguson protests that have been largely peaceful over the last few months erupted after the grand jury's juries decision. It's funny now but it wasn't funny. At the time i was watching on television the coverage and if you remember the the police car when it was set on fire police cars were set on fire officers in riot gear and armored vehicles attempted to break up unruly crowds that that was right in front of my building so from the from the camera angle at the news whatever news telecast i was watching showed. It looked like my building was on fire and i just remember that thought like oh my god my my. My house is on fire part of what made the crowds so angry that night. Was that the prosecuting attorney he didn't just decline to prosecute darren wilson he'd refuse to bring charges is against any police officer in two decades. This year was lee bow took that attorney's job he saint louis county's first black prosecutor today. He can't make change without change. The following episode is sponsored by anchor. If you're one of those people who's got an idea for a show and wants to get started with your own podcast. You might wanna learn more about anchor. Anchor is another spotify owned company that makes it easy for people to get into podcasting. It's basically an all in one totally free platform where you can record a podcast hosted distributed measure your performance analytics and find some show sponsors an all works from your web browser or through anchors mobile app. You can give ankara. Try it for free at anchor dot f._m. Slash slate what next that's anchor dot f._m. Slash slate what next uh before he was a judge before it was a professor wasn't about started his career as a public defender. You wanted to help people but he was also ambitious. I was a product of the o._j. Trial i was i was nineteen and i just saw that dichotomy that if you have money you you experience the system in a different manner as opposed to those who don't and so my thought was what better way to make change than to be a judge but when wesley became a judge he found other problems malloy was hearing cases in traffic court. He realized that people coming before him being inundated by fees. These these are the kinds of problems. The justice department highlighted in their report about ferguson they laid out tickets and fines were disproportionately punishing black residents because they couldn't pay a warrant would be issued for their arrest until the department of justice's report few new the scope of it how how this was going on across not only saint louis county but across the state and honestly across the nation and what i take pride in is that in my cohorts sports there were issues that i was aware of just from my experience that i corrected in those courts like what i'll give you a perfect example <hes> payment payment plans if someone came in front of wesley and couldn't pay their fines he'd say listen. Let's work something out. I remember getting getting a little pushback from up top saying that we don't want these lenient payment plans. We want three payments so if they're fines are two hundred dollars and divide that by three thousand divided by three and so my thought was okay. I'm gonna get around this and so when someone would come and let's just say the minimum payment would be three hundred dollars and they said well what i would tell them is unfortunately i. I can't give you a payment arrangement lower than that but what i can do is continue the case for you and they will do this again and then they come back in the next score. Dayton daily daily have twenty five dollars. I'll take that twenty five and we'll just continue it. So you made your own payment plan. I made my own payment plans and here's the the the irony once ferguson happened in the protests started then those same individuals came back to me and said well remember what you were doing being being lenient with payment plans. Why don't you go ahead and start doing that again. I never stops after spending time on the bench. Wisely sleep began to see the job differently. It didn't take long to realize that the real impact came from the prosecutor's office statistics show ninety plus percent senate cases are resolved by the time they get to the judge and so it didn't take long to figure out that the real impact comes from the prosecutor's office and so shortly thereafter i actually stepped down from the bench and focus just on being municipal court prosecutor after that he served on the city council then ran for prosecuting attorney any of saint louis county and one he was sworn in on new year's day at midnight j._c. Do solemnly swear sir all qualifications in his first day on the job bill moved swiftly firing a number of veteran prosecutors and then and issuing a seven page memo laying out exactly how the officers approached criminal justice was about to change. He said it no longer prosecute low level marijuana offenses offenses he'd also declined criminally pursue parents who fail to pay child support he ended cash bail misdemeanors to you know there has been this wave of of progressive prosecutors and people who are a little nervous about that. I think they look at the speed at which people move when they take office and that's part of their nervousness. I wonder if you could explain a little bit why you moved so swiftly when you took office to do so much watch at once you know first and foremost i say this all the time i don't know how to make change without change and <hes> as human beings. We are wired to be afraid of change what we make a point to do. Is we make a point to explain not only our positions ends but the why behind our positions the research the data that supports our positions and if we find data that proves that we should be doing something a better way than that's what we do. There's always that initial instinct. It seems that you know <hes> people were used to doing things one way. We'll we'll just cringe when they hear her of change happening but once they understand it you know they become converts if you will and so we wanted to hit the ground running we wanted to set <music> a an example of where we were going so that the office and the attorneys knew what we were doing and that this change was coming and that it was time to get on board <hes> and we didn't wanna wait now that he's in office. There's one case in particular that wesley bell doesn't really want to talk about. He doesn't wanna say whether he plans to reopen an investigation into darren wilson but earlier the summer he took a step. That might make a prosecution possible. He created conviction. An incident review unit this this office will report directly to him and investigate officer involved shootings and possible wrongful prosecutions. I was struck by something you said. When you announce this which is part of the reason you made this decision was cost because if you had a special prosecutor for every case that would cost a lot of money and this would be a way to do more maybe with a little bit less yeah and we want to make sure that there is an independent branch inch of our office that is not having the same interactions with law enforcement that is an independent unit dedicated unit and they can review potential wrongful wrongful conviction cases they can review political corruption cases they can review all cases that maybe were not indicted then that does help address the cost issue you because if you appoint a special prosecutor and outside special prosecutor lawyers don't come cheap and you have no idea what your costs are going to be. I am interested to hear you talk about the budgeting and the challenges of it because it really they stood out to me how money plays into all of the decisions that are made by someone in your position by the police force and how the d._o._j. Report about what happened in ferguson made that really really clear. I was struck the when you were first elected elected to this position. Someone said to you and you said oh yes. This is right. You know listen missouri. The state of missouri will reimburse you you if you get a guilty verdict as the prosecutor and it stood out to me because i thought wow it seems like there are a lot of weirdly <music> aligned incentives here so any one who is in the jail if they are convicted on state charge the state will reimburse saint louis louis county not our office specifically but to your broader point i think that adds a layer of conflict or at least the appearance of it and yeah i'll say in these six plus months of a little over six months we've reduced the jail population in saint louis county by fifteen percent and and what we know is that when you incarcerate a nonviolent offender they're significantly more likely to re offend our recidivism rates now are to eighty three percent nationally and so when we're reducing these jail population numbers to the lowest level since the early two thousands and we just got an update today that since the last report last month they've been reduced by another fifty seven individuals and we're talking about the nonviolent low level offenders. They don't need to see the inside of jail and now at this that allows us to reallocate more resources to the series environment offenses but usually prosecutors are measuring their progress by looking at their conviction rate and you know that's a metric that it sounds like you're no not interested in but the public is used to it. It's what people are used to looking at to show that the work is being done and i wonder how you get people use to a new metric and what that new metric is i think again it goes back to what i started with is that i don't know how to make change without change and i could care less about conviction rates. What i want to look at is the impact that we have have on our community. We gave the opiate epidemic a several year headstart before we start addressing it and we're still not addressing it as adequately quickly as we should but we gave the heroin and cocaine and crack epidemics a generational headstart. If one is a violent offender then yes they need to be held accountable honorable but if one just has a drug problem if they just need mental health care giving them that care increases the likelihood that they will be productive citizens wins in and so yes we don't care about conviction rates. We care about the impact on the community yeah but of course given that healthcare isn't something necessarily you can do do all the time well. I mean there's nothing you can do all the time you can incarcerate but we've already seen that training incarcerate our way out of substance abuse use doesn't work trying to incarcerate our way out of mental health issues doesn't work we have to start recognizing and treating the root causes drivers of crime and if we're going to be serious about the solution. We got to be serious about the problem but there must be cops who say i'm. I'm just doing my job. I am pursuing the law and i am arresting people who need to be arrested and when you're for instance declining to prosecute someone they see that as an overreach saying you're taking into your hands this control will that maybe they think the legislature should have or maybe they think is just unreasonable because we've decided for instance that we feel a certain certain way about marijuana or whatever and i wonder about that we have roughly two thousand officers in saint louis county and there were some <hes> who pushed back but what i find is that as we go around and we talked to him and explained to the facts that eighty three percent of people released from imprison will be arrested again so that means that they're arresting the same people over and over when we look at seventy six percent of people held in local jail suffer from both mental health problems in substance abuse disorders what that means is that they're arresting the same people and most of them are still the overwhelming the majority are dealing with mental health issues and substance abuse issues once we start explaining that we start getting the buy in and so the second part of that the answer is with respect to legislators and and that was their question is well aren't you by not enforcing. You know drug possession small amounts of marijuana. Aren't you being legislator in and you know my answer is just like with any prosecutors we have. We do have discretion on how we use use our resources but also i talk to them about those facts and usually what i'm saying is that the ones who still push back are are the people who haven't been exposed to the facts. We haven't gotten a chance to really talk to an explain what we're doing 'cause once we do. They're getting on board by larch arch and i guess the prosecutors have always had discretion. You're just using a different absolutely absolutely and and we're just using it to where we are prioritizing things that actually affect public safety and and and i would say i say this about myself and mary. I could probably say about you when you think about the safety of your family. It's not that individual in their basement smoking a joint. It's the individual with a gun who means to harm them. You seem really unflappable. I just wonder is that a compliment or an insult. I just wonder if anything you've encountered as has piss you off. Yeah i mean it is frustrating at times but you know i understand coming into this office that as a city councilman i represented <hes> twenty one thousand and people and and it's hard to reach everyone you have a town hall you go to businesses and talk to people and then you get to the council meeting. There's still people saying well how come you haven't talked about this and i'm like i've talked about it all month. He still can't reach him so now. I'm in a jurisdiction of close to a million at the end of our conversation. I couldn't get this picture out of my head. From those first nights of protests in ferguson wisely wesley bell in the middle of the street keeping the protesters calm and holding the cops back seems to me in his new job. He's he's still doing that <music> <music>. This is the last of our three part series on ferguson in missouri five years later special. Thanks today to our guests. For the last few shows wesley bell john mcwhirter stacey graham and joel anderson jolt adult now works at slate by the way he's going to host the next season of slow-burn so stay tuned. We had helped us week from kaci. Kucova and katie eighty raeford flow and luke conceptualized this series and allison benedict helped lead our production gabe roth is director of audio here at slate. What next is produced by. Mary harry wilson and jason leone jason's the guy behind all the audio design. You heard these episodes. Today is the very last day for our amazing producer ethan brooks. He played a critical role in the series and plenty of other shows before this be on the lookout for his work. We're gonna miss him. I'm mary harris. I'm going to be back next week with with more what next.

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The Ferguson Effect

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

13:42 min | 1 year ago

The Ferguson Effect

"Hey, everyone before we start the show today. I have a little tiny small favor to ask of you with put together a survey. So we can learn more about who you guys are and make your favorite podcasts. Even better. This is your opportunity to tell us what you love tell us. What you don't love as much it should take about fifteen minutes to complete. Just visit slate dot com slash podcast survey. We really appreciate it. Thanks a lot. There's this video I keep watching of the protests in Ferguson, Missouri. If years back, it's August a few days after Michael Brown was shot and killed by police and then left in the middle of the street for hours. You're unlawfully assemble and you will be subject to arrest. Video police are letting off smoke bombs firing tear-gas. And then the camera settles on a guy who's leaning against a telephone pole wearing a suit jacket just watching the man says, this is where our homes are located where children are in their beds, and this dramas truly affecting them for the rest of their lives. The reporter asks are you hopeful anything goodwill come this. The man takes a deep breath. But then he says, yes. The reporter who did this interview. Her name is elite J Sperry. And I'm a reporter at the intercept great and your advice before that I was vice for a couple of years. Yeah. I was struck by this video she shot because it shows how even when things on the ground looked really bleak. There were people who had hope people who were thinking about what would happen next. I remember a week. Maybe a week maybe a few days after Mike Brown was killed. There were people doing voter registration drives on canfield drive, which is the street where he was killed. So really early on you had to sense it was going to develop into something bigger than just a protest after these protests in Ferguson went down. There was a lot of talk about something called the Ferguson effect. It was really a phrase. He was by police to talk about the fact that police were feeling scrutinized an and threatened and felt like they were treated in hostile manner. And so a word and doing their job as much crime was rise. And that was really law enforcement stay on it. But elite Jay says she was there for the. Ginning of a different kind of Ferguson effect. There were voter registration drives there were hundreds of people showing up at town hall meetings. There was a huge turnout for local elections, Ferguson and other places hadn't seen before ever. Really an hour starting to see it translate into the election of some really progressive prosecutors, but also really progressive electoral officials across the board over the last five years elite watched as activists became leaders and leaders took charge on today's show. She's going to introduce us to one of these leaders guy named Wesley bell. He just took over as Saint Louis county and Ferguson's top prosecutor. He's promising radical change Missouri's criminal Justice system. But you deliver I'm Mary Harris. You're listening to what next stay with us. Alesia Sperry kept coming back to Ferguson after that first trip. She watched as residents took to the streets night after night three months after the shooting. A grand jury decided not to indict Darren Wilson, the officer shot Michael Brown, an elite braced for more protests. But this is also when local activists began paying closer attention to the man who could have made the charges stick Saint Louis county prosecutor Bob McCulloch, Bob McCulloch was elected for the first time in one thousand nine hundred one and for the seventh time just four or five days before Mike Brown was killed. I actually talked to activists in Saint Louis who said I probably voted for that guy a bunch of times because he's the only democrat. He's the only one on the ballot. I don't know what prosecutors do sure that's kind of the thought process that went into district attorney's races everywhere for a really long time, and what kind of office did he run he run a very traditional sort of tough on crime office in a lot of prosecutor's office. Is you don't really get a lot of? Political differences between Republicans and Democrats in that sense prosecutor's offices tend to be very close law enforcement, and in that particular office was extremely close law enforcement about McCulloch was in office for twenty seven years. He never once prosecuted a police killing he was the son of a police officer, his father had been killed onto line of duty. He was very close to police, and you know, that was very much revealed throughout the process, you know, he's basically his refusal to indict Darren Wilson or to really present evidence. But as I said Bob McCulloch had just been reelected days before Michael Brown was shot and killed when did you first start hearing people talk about we need to change us in the prosecutor's office. I mean, I remember people started maiming me because on day they named the chief of police. Tom Jackson was the Ferguson police chief, but McCullough was the prosecutor for sinuous county. So these were people that had been in office or running. Police department for years, but people had an sorta talked about very much, and and they became famous basically immediately for their complete mishandling of this case. But it really started their people didn't know their prosecutor by name until further because everybody knew who bought McCullough who was after the grand jury announcement. If the department of Justice report would show the problems in Ferguson went beyond a single prosecutor beyond Bob McCulloch in a city that had flipped from Georgie white majority black in a single decade. The DOJ said Ferguson's police and municipal court practices reflected and exacerbated racial bias black people were far more likely to be arrested, and then they were far more likely to be charged court fees that helped keep the city of float as all this started coming to light a young lawyer named Wesley bell was becoming increasingly politically active. I you ran for city council and then last year he took on Bob McCulloch, anyone he's the first black prosecutor in the county Wesley about is forty four. He is from Saint Louis. He is son of a police officer who started out his career in law as a public defender and then worked as both the prosecutor and a judge in municipal courts is he cares Matic. He's a very smart guy. He's got a little bit of that, you know, Obama fuel to him. And some people have already talked to talked about him, as you know, someone who's going places, politically, don't align. But he's very much focused on his job right now. And one thing that really struck me when I met him is how you know. I I was at his office on his second. We come to job and his staff couldn't even let me in because they didn't have access cards like they couldn't get into the building because they were so dealing with transition and the guy had ready amounts of his massive sweeping changes. And he was like very busy running around and announcing this partnerships with health organizations around alternatives to criminalizing, mental illness and addiction and literally the office was full of boxes and very much had dislike feel of. Okay. People are moving in and out. And it's like so it wasn't wasted. Yeah. He did all of this on his first job on his first day. What are some of the changes was leave? Oh wants to put in place. So he the guy's been in office for a month. He was sworn in on New Year's and by the second day hit put out his mammal internally outlining all the sweeping changes, the first most obvious. You know, he announced they would no longer prosecute possession of less than one hundred grams of marijuana which is something we're starting to see in few places. He said prosecutors would and cash bail requests for misdemeanors and lower level felonies. They would not criminally prosecute to failure to pay child support, which is huge because insinuates county into tells and seventeen there were five hundred and thirty criminal prosecutions for the failure to pay child support, which is a civil violation. Right. So fired people, right? He fired three people including Kathy. Alisa who'd been the lead prosecutor in Mike Brown ks. She's the one that have presented all the evidence to the grand jury, and then he fired. This other veteran prosecutor who had gone on Facebook shortly after the election, basically, say in how people had made a mistake, and you know, they should have never elected him. Well, I mean, it raises something else, which is was Lee bell is taking over an office that isn't necessarily filled with people who are friendly to his ideas. Absolutely. He's an in fact, quite the country. He's taking over on office. Of people who have done things certain way for thirty years and before then and Warren challenge, and then of course, he's he's working with police them because that's what prosecutors do. And he's he's change into rules and demanded a police and prosecutors go at it, and that's what he ran on. And that's what he's promised voters. He would do. But of course, he's getting a lot of internal resistance when there's a real question of like he's only been in office for like a month. Yeah. But there's this one case where he said he won't seek the death penalty. It's a murder case under assault case. But people are pushing back on that saying, well, you shouldn't be seeking life without parole. So the more progressive wing is pushing back from the other side to and so he's really going to have to navigate these two sides of things. Absolutely. I think that's that's really key here. Prosecutors are in this especially those that kind of build themselves progressive. Prosecutors are Indus very tricky position. Because on the one hand to have the tough on crime crowd that once you know to highest. Sentences possible. And on the other hand, you have people who just don't believe in the Justice system, basically at all who don't believe in to roller. Prosecutors. So for instance, there is disguised as there was his murder and sexual assault case in sinuous Conti back in November. And you know, bell indicated he's not going to seek to death penalty in this first case he's been presented with but he's asking for life without parole, which a lot of people that want criminal Justice reform. That's not good enough life without parole is you know, maybe not Asprilla Mindich has death penalty. But it's extremely problematic too. So I think he's going to be making people unhappy on both sides. And I think he recognizes that, but he's kind of taking on to challenge of sort of reforming the system from wooden delimits prosecutor's office. I mean, you don't run for prosecutor. If you want to be if you want to abolish the police, that's not what you so it's not that kind of activists that gets into office. So I think figures like bell and cross Nur and others are kind of progressive. We're going to push that particular role. How long do you think was Bill has to? To show what he's going to do. Well, he has at least one term until the next election. I think he has a lot of support locally. But also support from people that understand that this system is operated as way for decades, and it will take a long time to change it. So I think he's got some goodwill parts of those voted for him. I think he will be tested, and I think the greatest steps for him is going to come. If when there is another police killing and send you count in looking at how he's going to handle that. I think will really you think the the first thing we'll challenge him will be an officer involved shooting. Have you talked to him about that or talk to other people about what they expect? He'll do. He said he is going to have a special prosecutor come in. And that's something that, you know, I think others have promise. And I think we should start seeing happen across the country as this shootings happen. One thing that some people would like him to do is reopen the investigation into Mike Brown's death. He didn't want to comment on that. I'm not sure what he's thinking about it. I think he's blonde is to just move on. But because so many people do. Associate his win to what happened in Ferguson. I think there's there's some expectations there as well. I think people have become generally more skeptical of elected officials and genitals Sibert like excited about him because he's different him because he's promising to do something different. But they're not kind of in love with political figures the way that you could have seen around auto races all sorts. That's not really how does this work, and they don't pick their hero and decide to run with him day pick the policies. And and I think it's actually very healthy that some of them are very skeptical of him. They're like, okay, that's great. I voted for him. And I am happy his dare and I wanted Bob McCulloch out, and they believe in his reforms, but I'm going to be watching. And that's kind of domestic I gardens in. You is. Lichi Sperry is a journalist at the intercept later this week cana- prosecutor be to progressive we're going to Philadelphia or a guy named Larry crasner is beginning to figure that out. That's the show. What next is hosted by me, Mary Harris, and the people who make this thing sounds so amazing are Mary Wilson Jason de Leon and Anna Mark if you were enjoying the show leave a rating review on apple podcasts. It helps other people. Find us bring your friends there is room for one more many more. You can follow me on Twitter at Mary's desk. Talk to you tomorrow.

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Episode 5: Where do we go from here?

Broken Justice

36:32 min | 1 year ago

Episode 5: Where do we go from here?

"Major funding for this podcast has been provided by Public Welfare Foundation and the Pulitzer Center hail. This is episode five of of a five part series. If you didn't start from the beginning trust me. It's going to make a lot more sense if you stop right here and go back to episode one ooh A Friday morning in June at the Public Defenders Office in Saint Louis Missouri. The fire alarm is blaring airing. But nobody's moving. Everyone's just quietly going about their business. Someone shuts the door so they don't have to hear it. The alarm is going off because below this office. Someone in the county jail has pulled it. It happens a lot and the public defenders have gotten used to it. I mean if there is actually a real emergency sometimes the Saint Louis County police will actually walk through the building. Clear the building. That's Stephen Reynolds. He's the head public public defender in this office. This at all as a metaphor for your your office. I know where you're going but no I think there are two separate separate issues. Can you kind of have alarms going off constantly and you just kind of ignore them. I wouldn't say that we nor the issues in our office office. I would say we're put in a position of triaging which were not supposed to do. Uh I'm literally just cold calling in the courtroom like John Bob Anybody Hi. I'm your lawyer. The lady at the grocery store knows me probably better basically have a bowel five judges who are looking for me because they've got defendants who are in their courtrooms and they you want to get these cases resolve but I'm going to be in one place at one time. There's just not enough time in the day to do everything that needs to get done. We've looked at how triage can play out for clients lance like it did for Ricky. I wasn't able to fully develop into mom attention as a man. I was twenty one years old when hours incarcerated about forty five now for anything could've done with L. Saints have been taken away from me. We've looked at how difficult it's been for public defenders to try to change the system. This is a disease and it's GONNA run for fifty year. But what if the problems with public defense offense are a symptom of a larger problem. The problem of mass incarceration. We don't do a very good job in America separating. The people were mad at from the people. Were afraid enough. And so for that reason. Fifty percent of Missouri's prison population is made up of people who are convicted of a nonviolent. Offense and what if addressing the problems of public defense means also addressing the larger problems of the criminal justice system. The two options are you can can give us more lawyers. We can make the system bigger and that's called the supply side solution and that is inside solution and that means you stop prosecuting all this low level stuff. That's really mental illness and addiction in this episode. The last in our series for GonNa look at the way prosecutors charged crimes and how one county prosecutor Wesley. Bell now is trying to make a difference from his side of the courtroom and how that might help public defenders to if you have a prosecutor that's reasonable you tend to get reasonable alcohols and will return to the case of Ricky Kid who finally got a new day in court. After twenty three years behind bars. Nice people was looking for the movie moment where the Judge Says Mr K.. Rise the analysis that you're free to go it just wasn't a movie moment and often they're not only do they have a nickname for public defenders public. Pretender he's on my docket cases. Uh I have one hundred nineteen of the cases thirty one open cases here two hundred cases you have court in Twenty minutes to cross the street. beat up I feel the stress of a hundred and fifty soles on my back and you know that some of them were slipping through the cracks. Hello this is a free call from rigging one hundred percent. Believe that. I'm in prison today. Today's because this is broken justice. Show from the PBS Newshour about the public defender under system in Missouri. And what it tells us about justice in America. I'm Nevada's and I'm Frank Carlson for more than forty years. The PBS news hour has provided solid reliable reporting. That has made it one of the most trusted news programs grams on television from news headlines to analysis millions of people rely on the context independence and balance the Newshour Offers Watch read. Follow the news hour on broadcast and online every night. So Frank Wesley Bell. He's the Saint Louis County prosecutor. He's become sort of an unlikely player on this issue of public public defender Caseloads. How did that happen well to understand that it helps to know a little bit about his background? He actually started out. As a public defender. In Saint Louis County then then became a municipal judge and then a prosecutor and then following the protests in Ferguson and twenty fourteen. He ran for city council. Anyone I would like to introduce your next city councilman for four three per cent west and he helped negotiate reform in the Ferguson City. Police Department in courts. But Wesley knew the place where he could make the most change was in the county prosecutor's office. We've been talking this whole series about public defenders and their case loads but prosecutors play a huge role in determining how many cases public defenders have to take on after all it's the prosecutor who decides whether to bring charges against the defendant in the first place what those charges should be whether to offer a plea deal or an alternative to jail. Time Bell wanted to reform the system and to do that he needed to set the priorities and so late last year. Name is Wesley Bell. I'm running for Saint Louis County Prosecutor for a safer Saint Louis. He ran to become head of the county prosecutor's office and he won that race. Sixty seven year old. Bob McCulloch is defeated in yesterday's primary by Ferguson Councilman Forty three year. Old Wesley Bell. He officially took over in January and so we went to see him about six months after he'd been in office to see how things were going. So we're not. We're not okay I didn't Shea. What's the explained how he was trying to change the way Saint Louis County deal with crime from the prosecutor side of the equation if you have a prosecutor that's reasonable you tend to get reasonable outcomes? The so reasonable outcomes. What does that even mean? Well it means a whole host of things for example this year. He stopped prosecuting marijuana possession for people carrying less than one hundred hundred grams he stopped seeking jail. Time for child support violations. Another reasonable outcome. He said his office would expand alternatives to prosecution through drug court and Mental Health Court. And he's no longer looking to set bail for nonviolent offenders and that means more people can go home instead of waiting in jail to deal with their charges when we look at the reduction in the jail population with nonviolent offenders when we look at not prosecuting low levels of marijuana which I think is a waste of resources. I think that that is born out of that perspective and understanding that look we have limited resources. We'd rather reallocate in focus our resources sources serious in violence. There's so in other words prioritize who you prosecute we are prioritized to focus on violent offenders and so we wanted to find find out how to West these reforms effect public defenders. So here's one example. Since West they became county prosecutor. His office is now l.. Treating failure to pay child support as a civil issue not a criminal one and that means jail time is largely off the table and if a client isn't facing jail time they're not entitled title to a lawyer so that means fewer cases for public defenders. We were dealing with hundreds of child support cases and those cases. Also don't ever have a quick resolve because the whole point is you need money. Public clients. Don't have money so you ride the docket for a year sometimes more than nat and that's twelve. Beverly Harbor has been a public defender in the Saint Louis Office for four years. And she says this is made a huge difference. She also says what the prosecutor's Office has done to expand expand on mental health. Courts is really important too so those things have absolutely refocused. Our case load some of the minor. Possession charges Even property damage things like that the prosecutor's office is kind of getting ahead of that and before it even gets to us. Sometimes they're offering people diversion programs or instead of issuing it as a felony. Maybe it's being issued as a misdemeanor. All of those things impact our abilities to use our resources. Okay okay so that sounds like they're able to address some of those issues early clear. These cases earlier to Wesley mentioned this issue of plea deals yeah plea deals or how the vast majority Jordy of these cases get resolved in this system not through trial but through a deal with the prosecutor and so how it works is that a prosecutor might charge charge someone with drug trafficking within. They look all knocked this down and recommend the minimum sentence if you plead guilty today and since many public defender clients can't afford bail bill and they're told it'll be months before their public defenders can get to their cases. They often take those deals rather than sit in jail. Wesley Bell says that kind of overcharging to a forcibly will not happen in his office. You find the fair charge and if you have to try the case go traffic ace. WE'RE NOT GONNA force individuals Joel's to play. I don't think that that's just and I don't think it's ethical As of September nine months after Wesley started pushing these kinds of performs his office said the go population in Saint. Louis County was down fifteen percent. How well is the system working today? Right at this point I I think the system is working a lot better and I think there's some tangible things that we can look at so in theory Wesley. Changes seemed to mean. Fewer people need a public defender in the first place. Exactly and public defenders say. That's great because it allows them to focus on the cases that really need the most work the really serious serious ones but the problem is that those really serious cases they need a lot of work and so public defenders in Saint Louis County say even with Wesley Bells reforms is still not enough they still have too many cases so without an investigator without more attorneys. It's not gonNA make a big change if we don't have more bodies touching each one of these files and being there to advocate for a client. But there are other things changing in Saint Louis County outside of the prosecutor's Office this summer the Circuit Court judges in that county passed a new rule and it allows them to a point private lawyer to take on some of the public defenders cases when their overloaded and to determine who's overloaded overloaded. They're using Steve Hamlin's numbers are data guy from the last episode. The presiding judge in Saint Louis County is also considering creating a wait list for clients. Okay so all of that seems like progress. They're finally getting some traction with the judges but a wait list. How would that work? Yeah this is something that's currently happening in about half the state's public defender offices. Basically the officers used Steve Hamlin's numbers to set limits. On how many cases there public defenders can handle at any one time and when public defenders hit those is limits new defendants. Whether they're out on bond or sitting in jail can be added to a wait list so that means the public defenders stay at or near their limits. We'll wait. That sounds a lot like the same problem. They they had before with people just stuck in jail waiting for a lawyer. Yeah I mean you're right. There was essentially a weightless before but at least this way. The offices can prioritize the people in jail and so it's a bit more orderly but it doesn't do much for those clients on the wait list. They're still stuck in limbo waiting for a lawyer. What do we know about the weightless how many clients are actually on on them right now? Waiting will as of mid November across the state there were about fifty eight hundred clients on weightless that's not a small number. No it's not and Michael Barone who just recently recently resigned as the head of Missouri's public defender system told us he knows that and then he doesn't like forcing clients to wait. The decline are absolutely getting the brunt of this but he he says until the state puts up more money. That's the way it has to be. Where like any other State Department? The Department of Transportation says we need five hundred million dollars to resurface all the roads and fix all the bridges. And they're only provided two hundred and fifty million dollars. Well they're not going to resurface all the roads and fix all the bridges. They're going to do half of them and we're no different okay. So Missouri's public defenders are still trying to put their foot down. But do you say that Michael Barrett resigned. Yeah he he says after years of essentially doing everything short of setting himself on fire to raise attention for these issues. He's done he's gone back to New York where he's originally from to raise his family. It was described to me by my predecessor that it's like pushing a large boulder up a hill. Where you can't see the top of the hill you just have to uh-huh push for a long as long as you can and And then turn it over to the next person in line behind you so whatever happens in Missouri I guess will be up to someone someone else. Whoever replaces Michael Barrett? It's going to be someone else's problem okay. But that whole case load funding issue. He was trying to fix. It's not just a problem in Missouri. It's a problem in a bunch of other places so will what's happening. They're so beyond Missouri. Steve Hamlin is working to keep up the pressure on these systems by doing caseload studies and other states to give those states the same data that Michael Albert had to press these issues so the art of war. Every battle is won before it's ever begun. It's one by the choice of touring hiring and that's where we are. We're in the battle. The American Civil Liberties Union is also in that battle continuing to sue states and local governments across. It's the country including in Missouri and Missouri. The ACLU has adopted Steve Hanley numbers in its lawsuit against the state public defender system. The two parties are attempting to settle if that settlements approved by a judge it would mean major changes for the system and perhaps a way forward for other systems but Jason Williamson the lawyer at the ACLU working on these cases it says ultimately this legal strategy is only going to take them so far. While I would love to be able to do this in one fell swoop or certainly in a more sufficient way than going state by state or county by county and suing. People will do whatever we need to do. There is certainly a much bigger role at the federal government. Could play in in moving this ball forward and we've already seen this getting some attention in the early days of the twenty twenty race. Sentencing reform cash bail reformed. Investing in Public Defenders Diversion Program. We have a criminal justice system. That treats you better if you're rich and guilty than if you're innocent. Several Democratic candidates have plans to provide ride more funding for public defense as part of a broader pledged to criminal justice reform today in America eighty percent of the people in jail unbelievably art in jail for the crime of be poor. And it's not just Democrats this summer Alec. The influential conservative lobbying group announced its own support to better fund public defense and for years conservative billionaire. Charles Coke has been donating money to improve public defense across the country. Three okay so that's all good going forward but what about all the people who've already gone through the system right. The people who think their public defenders failed them that they're the reason they're in jail serving long sentences like none of this does much to help people like ricky kid right. Well there are many places like Saint Louis for example where prosecutors now reviewing claims of wrongful conviction and in some cases. Overturning those convictions. That didn't work for Ricky but this year after after many crushing setbacks we did finally get a new day in court I'm aware of the percentage of cases that a one loss but I always I have to wake up every day believing more on that after the break in the sixth democratic debate in the run-up to the twenty twenty presidential election will be held on December nineteenth in Los Angeles continuing. Its long tradition of providing a broad range of political coverage to the American public. The Newshour along with politico will host the debate watch on broadcast cast and online Thursday December nineteenth Last heard about Ricky Kid. This is what we knew. He was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for a double murder. That he he says he didn't commit. He had an alibi for the day of the murders. He even said he knew who committed them. He told all of this to his public defender and he's still got convicted and then in two thousand nine Ricky's legal team got him another hearing to lay out. All the stuff is public defender missed in her investigation and at his trial. But that that judge he ruled that he couldn't consider most of that new evidence and that's because of a federal circuit court rule that prevents judges from considering information. If it was available to the lawyers in the original trial ricky lost and they spit back in my face. You had lawyers. I had the public defender system lawyers. Don't Oh yeah you're Sean. O'Brien Ricky's crying lawyer. I've never been more discouraged by an in order that point I knew it was gonna be Uphill Uphill Uphill Ricky's team kept working and eventually a state. Judge Raj agreed to hear a new appeal and Ricky case this year and this time. Twenty two years after Ricky's first trial. The judge consider all the evidence even the stuff that was rejected a decade earlier coming up to downtown Aladin and the courthouse in April I went to Gallatin misery for that hearing and for four days Ricky's lawyers through everything they had in front of the court to prove ricky was wrongfully convicted and that he deserved a new trial while decatur. CC's zero zero zero one seven rich kids what you're hearing is the actual courtroom audio I'm also you elsa. The judge heard from Ricky's former girlfriend. His primary alibi witness Monica Great Grey and she again again confirmed ricky story about the day of the murders. The judge also heard testimony from Ricky's co-defendant. He wouldn't come to court again. So an actor read from the transcript from the two thousand nine hearing ricky kid anytime on February six nineteen says no sir. It was not involved on this at all. I don't even know where ricky so they had a lot of this evidence back at the last hearing in two thousand and nine right. was there anything else. There was some new evidence to the judge heard from the states star. I witnessed from the original trial. The neighbor petitioner calls Mr Richard Harris. Step forward now. He was the one and who said that he was two thousand and one percent. Sure that Ricky. Kate killed one of the victims right. Exactly let me ask you this. When you testified under under oath at trial she were two thousand one percents? Sure you've been quantification. You tell them the truth mistake. Say I'm married a mistake. Playing the sample did not do it. That's not what I'm asking you. Don't you are here which you asking me but I'm telling you I'm sorry for my language. WHOA wasn't that the only direct evidence that they had in court that actually put ricky at the scene? Yeah so that was huge and from the stand. That neighbor apologized to ricky. Who was sitting right in the courtroom listening? So the state's key eye witness in this recanted but there was something else. Ricky's lawyers found evidence that the original prosecutor from his trial had withheld information information. That pointed to the three three other suspects. Ricky always said committed these murders and so one of the key questions at this new hearing was did the fact that the prosecutor withheld this information. From Ricky's lawyer amount to an unfair trial. Introduce yourself was yes My name is tracey Anderson and I am an attorney. Ornate and I would have previously represented Richard Shed at seven twenty two years ago. I think Theresa Andersson Ricky's public defender from the first trial. Was the last last person to take the stand. And she told the court that she'd always believed in Ricky Santa and she even broke down when she was asked how she could have used this information. Mistreating because there's so much that I didn't know that I should have now and I don't. I don't think it was something I could have known by myself. And I'm I'm thinking something where he could have known all himself. You know this was stuff that should have been turned over to me. If I had that information. You know I mean I I may have been able to and that's frustrating. There is a lot to unpack there and the thing is it's all stuff that should've should've pointed to Ricky's innocence. I mean you'd think he'd be exonerated right then and there. I mean during the four days of this hearing Ricky's family and friends were all gathered in this old courthouse in Gallatin often. His mom his big sister his kids even his granddaughter was there and many of them thought that at the end of the week the judge would just have to let ricky go But that's not what happened on the last day of testimony. The judge said he had a lot of reading to do before he could make decision and the court adjourned Ricky was approached by two guards who let him out of the courtroom down the stairs out the back of the courthouse where van was waiting to take them back to prison I thought today would be the dated. Justice will prevail. I caught up with Ricky's mother outside. The courthouse is just too much. How much can mother bear? You know. MM-HMM HERE's Ricky's big sister. I know he feels devastated. Feel like you know. But he's strong. I'm GonNa be strong song. I know that he is coming. Home was looking for the movie moment. That's Ricky speaking to me from prison the week after the hearing the movie moment where you're cases presented where the judge says Kay rise. He announces that you're out of here. XYZ that you're free to go so it just wasn't a movie moment often. They're not moving at this point Sean. O'Brien Ricky's pro. Bono lawyer said all they could do was wait. Weeks passed then months. I I compare to a boxing match that the the person in who wins the match is hardly ever free of bruises at the end of the day and so But that's what you have to do is to kind of let it all hang out so so the decision maker feels. I've heard everything. There is to know and on balance in looking at at all they have the wrong guy. Why and then finally in August Sean? O'Brien Sean it's Frank. How're you doing? I'm good what do you where are you sean. Just got an email from the judge. Ricky had one is really exciting and I've been then on running on adrenaline. Since I opened up that email this morning. It's just you know so rewarding to hear literally giving. Somebody's Elliot's wife back. We're all dying to talk to ricky. But we couldn't get a hold of them then the next day producer beak aaronson and I were on the phone with his big sister Nicky. Good good how are you and seconds into our call. She said Ricky was calling her. I renew now. Ali Patched us through to ricky and Ricky told us how his lawyers had called him at the prison to give him the news. God what what what what's going on under the age and it was like you know what's going on actually well maybe I do And the favorite year bringing in your free the judge with enough neighbor. That'll be freed all comedy me the whole time. I couldn't say nothing. Thank you in a couple of things but I was without. I literally was without works in our arlen overjoyed. The judge decided that the prosecutor had improperly believe withheld evidence from the defense and on top of that he said in his judgement that ricky was innocent. The next day the judge signed an order saying ricky could be released while by the state decided whether to fight his decision and that afternoon Ricky walked out of prison in a suit surrounded by his family his lawyers and his supporters freedom after more than twenty years in prison today. Ricky kid walked free cheesecake factory in Kansas City. The next day beacon I jump on a plane to Kansas City to go meet Ricky for the first time in person. Ah we find ricky on his first full days of Freeman ordering Mozzarella sticks and drinks with this family and friends you know. My daughter was in her mother's home when I got locked up and she she drove me here today. uh-huh Zawahri a man named Darryl Burton who also spent more than twenty years in prison is at dinner to now. He's a pastor and he co founded a nonprofit to help wrongfully convicted inmates get out and once they do to get back on their feet. If you don't man can Alpha blessing before we get started. Yes to give a prayer before for the meal. God we just thank you. which in this miracle that you brought with your home and we just ask you to speed with all of those laws? Went prisma wrongfully sitting in those cages. As low as just praying and waiting for wait in hope to come home. Just like Ricky didn't just like I did we pray these things in law's name Soviet. Hey Man hey man Dan thank you. Thank you ask Ricky when it felt like to finally walk out of that prison after so many years was I was grateful on so many different levels. I was grateful to be exonerated. I was grateful to be with my family And I I was grateful that that everybody was there. What's the world look like I mean to you? What are you saying that we don't see because we've gotten used to it? I see trees. I see a bad That I had this morning that I haven't taken in twenty three years I woke up and brush my teeth with a real toothbrush this morning. A real extended to rush it even had a button on it I brush my teeth this morning longest. I didn't want to stop Russia. So is small things like that even on Ricky's first day of freedom as he's enjoying all of these things he's missed for so long he can't help reflecting on all all the problems with this system and how lucky he was to have found people to help him on his case. But when you're talking about being poor you don't have access to money therefore you don't I'll have assets to Sean O'Brien's and Cindy dodges when you don't have access to attorneys like that you're GonNa get a Cincinnati public defender system or Missouri Story Public Defender System or Illinois public defender system. It's a gimmick you entitled to a more your only by show only by paper entitled Donald to Representation Only Paper um M- m- We also stop by to see Sean O'Brien at his house. We found him at his kitchen table. Working on a death penalty case Wyoming to said. I just enjoy the feeling because my head's already in Wyoming case China's seeing this kind of story plot before a wrongfully convicted man being in free after a long arduous court battle at his thoughts were already turning to the next chapter is long as A. You know what happened yesterday was joyous. But I've I've been through this with so many clients that I know what's coming in a way to be hard so what's coming on week when the adrenaline rush and the excitement falls down and the loss at twenty three years. I become so obvious To Ricky and his family Dan he'll go through a lot of of Emotional problems And so we're you know we're gonNA work on it. Sean was once a public defender. He says he left that system thirty years ago because he thought it was broken and he decided decided to instead focus on correcting the errors produced by it by overturning wrongful convictions. He's had some big wins over the years he's literally early saved his clients lives and he's helped create the legal precedents that have allowed more people to walk free so we have enough exonerate just in Kansas City to do pretty large group therapy but he also knows there are far more people out there than he can ever helped in group therapy. Ricky is the exception. He's not the rules not trying to get at. What's kind of? How are we supposed to think about this system? Did the system succeed here. No It didn't succeed when an innocent man got convicted and it utterly failed when it took twenty three years to fix that mistake I mean I wish I could say. It was a crack in the system but this is the system in September number a few weeks after we met Ricky the Jackson County Prosecutor or not. She was dropping all charges against him. And the attorney. General said he wasn't gonNA fight the judge's decision either. In other words ricky was finally free and clear of this nightmare that began twenty three years ago. Ricky now plans to travel around the country meeting with other honorees like himself off and also talking to politicians and policymakers to try to push for change in the criminal justice system so frank after all all of this time after everything that ricky has been through it's not even like he's putting the whole chapter behind him and moving on and trying to forget he's reengaging aging with the same system that failed him. Yeah Ricky I think he's always felt that his story was representative of a larger problem. And so yeah. He's working with the Midwest Innocence Project. He's helping set up new his innocence projects around the country. He wants to fight for change on this issue and to help to get more people out of prison. Who are wrongfully convicted? You spent a lot of time with them. You've talked to him a bunch since he's been released for anyone in this situation. How is he not more angry angry? I mean the short answer is I don't know like personally I can tell you what he says. And that's that he. He says when he was in prison he never for accepted a prisoner mentality. He always knew that someday he was going to get out and he knew that his innocence would be proven and so he had this faith things we're going to work out and so he refused to engage engage in prison life and so that's how he explains but still like for me talking to him. I'm still like there's gotta be some issues there right lane. He Says No I. I don't I don't feel that way. I don't feel angry. I feel like we need to make change. We need to work on these issues. We need to change the system. But he's not gonNA he's he's not gonNA lose the life that he has now to the life that he lost in prison. 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Ferguson, 5 Years On: What's Changed Since Michael Brown's Death

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Ferguson, 5 Years On: What's Changed Since Michael Brown's Death

"This message comes from on point sponsor indeed. If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified defied candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash n._p._r. Podcast from n._p._r. We are and w._b._z. Boston i'm chuck roberti and this is on point five years ago this month. Protests erupted in ferguson missouri frustration unleashed after the police shooting death of eighteen year old michael brown the protests marred by looting lasted for for days and a week after brown's death then governor jay nixon moved to quell the unrest to protect the people and property ferguson today i signed signed an order declaring a state of emergency orientation of a curfew riot. Police clashed with protesters. Here's one resident describing what he saw to the new york times store live needs go on us tear gas grenades. They do a whole about twenty two days out at one time and it's you know drove off the high speeds. What the data about this tonight. That's ridiculous man. We live in a third country herself. The officer who killed brown was not charged urged but the u._s. department of justice activists and community leaders demanded the ferguson changes the way it polices its streets to house that happened this hour or on point five years after ferguson a city struggle and the lessons for the national conversation about race and policing and you can join us what are your memories of the ferguson choson protests five years ago what if anything has changed where you live about race and policing join us online at twitter and facebook on point point radio. We'll joining us today. From saint louis is wesley bell. He's the saint louis county prosecuting attorney previously represented ward three on the ferguson choson city council wesley bell welcome to on point. Thanks for having me so first of all. Tell us tells the story about where you were five years ago. In august when michael brown was killed when the protests that followed erupted at that time i was was a professor at a local college in ferguson i headed the criminal justice department also wasn't attorney and and <hes> and just someone who was involved in my community and particularly working with young people as an educator and <hes> little did i know that my community would be <hes> making international news if you will <hes> so tell us then about in in the in the days and the weeks of the protests <hes> what what are the conversations that you're having with members of community. What were people saying. I mean put us back there. I think that <hes> i think i in foremost few realized the scope of the issues. Choose that <hes> we were facing not only in ferguson saint louis county missouri but across the nation and i think that ferguson was a <hes> was a you know many would argue a ground zero if you will for <hes> addressing knees and realizing that these issues <hes> were so broad in in <hes> in scope and and so at that time as an attorney i knew that some of these issues existed and worked in the courts that i worked in to <hes> address those issues but <hes> you know a lot of people a lot of good people at it did a lot of good work including president obama's department of justice to to illuminate shed light on the fact that this was a much larger problem in and what i'm really proud of is that once <hes> many realized this larger <hes> not only regional original but national issue mini stepped up to the platen and i like to <hes> and i'm proud to be in that category of of land of people and organizations who who in in fact stepped up to the plate right so there was an continue be a complex set of factors historical <hes> political that led to this moment right but there's still a there's lots of different points of view around michael brown's actual death here so i on that i just want to get a quick call. Call here fill is calling from north bro massachusetts phil. You're on the air yeah. The name is bill but that's okay bill. There was an article in the new york times is written by a lady who did a profile of the officer and michael brown and right after that article came out the outrage <hes> that it came out from a lot of ferguson residents was slandered michael brown but no one at that time argued about the facts in that article the facts are among other things that michael brown was very very thuggish that the that's the show he wasn't another trayvon martin <hes> the effects are that he was definitely trying to do serious bodily injury to that office worse now i maybe there was a way of stopping michael brown. I i don't know what that could have been. I mean short of officer being crippled choke to death. I i think he was a case clear case of self defense well bill. Thank pinky for your call me. An alert wesley bell respond to that <hes> and bills talking about the facts of the case. I would say that the use of the word thuggish is a value judgement and not necessarily a fact <hes> bill but to your bigger point about the complexities around the moment that led to michael brown's death. I mean wesley bell can respond to that because people there is still a great deal of of disagreement here. How would you respond to bill well. First and foremost i do want to push back on the idea in and i appreciate you for also pointing out is that i think we need to get past the name calling <hes> none none of us know exactly what happened but what we do know that that was a young man who lost his life and <hes> at the very least list i pay our respects and <hes> and get away from the name calling <hes> as far as particulars of the case <hes> <hes> as a policy but also ethically <hes>. I am not going to go into the details. I do believe that people have to understand whenever we deal with a situation where someone loses their life every time that we bring it up family members friends loved ones have to relive that situation all all again so what i would like to focus on is what comes out of that out of tragedy often comes opportunity in and as a result we have an opportunity fortuity <hes> to to address some much broader issues <hes> when we look at a lack of community policing prior to two thousand fourteen and still we still have a ways to go the cash bail system the ways that courts were using <hes> people in their community as as <hes> as a._t._m.'s. We know that these things were happening in so i think there's a real there's broad lessons that we can learn and issues that we can can address those broader issues that need addressing. I wanna talk to you about but but there are people in ferguson namely michael brown's father other who they don't necessarily are not ready to move past that moment they still feel he feels that justice hasn't been served right because officer darren wilson who was involved involved in the shooting he was never charged and michael brown senior urged your office. The saint louis county prosecutor's office to reopen the case ace into his son's death and here he is speaking at a press conference on the fifth anniversary of michael brown's killing. I am demanding. Evidence has to be analyzed and accountability to pilot as a follow five the value of all right as a father. I vowed to protect my will august nine two thousand and fourteen. That wasn't the case. I could not protect him day and it breaks my heart. I was standing fight until the day. I just just that's michael brown senior. <hes> urging wesley bells office. He's wesley bells the prosecuting attorney for saint louis county to reopen the case into michael michael brown's death. I mean will you well first and foremost <hes>. I have a ladder respect for <hes> the parents michael brown senior as well as leslie makes bad and i've had conversations <hes> with mr brown senior and go back years at this point <hes> and those conversations <hes> where private and they'll remain so <hes> <hes> i will tell you things that we are doing in our office and one is we're creating a conviction incident review unit that will not only look at <hes> <hes> cases that have i'll have legitimate allegations of wrongful convictions but also older cases can be reviewed food <hes> we are in the process of establishing that unit <hes> but with respect to any particular cases. I'm not going to go into any any details and and and let's keep in mind. This is still a very much a sore spot in an open wound for this region and i think in im- im- premature sure i think it is for me to <hes> pull that scab <hes> <hes> prior to <hes> <hes> any any any decisions being made if they are going to be some decisions made so <hes> i'll i'll say it like this <hes> i i don't have any comment and till and if i ever do have <unk> comment well as a prosecutor though you understand that <hes> questions need to be ask so. I'm going to ask you a couple questions about this. Feel free to not respond but do you think justice has been served in the case of michael brown's death so i am i've been in office seven months and this is the largest largest <hes> and have the largest county in in missouri. <hes> close to a million people and we have an office is that deals with a lot of serious crimes and so our focus has been on that transition getting this office up and running as well are not up and running but continue continued to be running efficient efficiently still dealing with cases that are still coming in so at this point i i have not had any opportunities to review any any <hes> older cases and <hes> again and <hes> and so that's where we are at this point okay so we've got about thirty seconds before we have to take a break but looking forward than what do you think it would take for justice to be done in this case. What does justice look like to you. I think you know again. <hes> and i hate to sound evasive because that's not what i'm doing here. But what i'm trying to explain is that we are dealing with cases that are coming to this office now prior cases if we get to a point where it sounded look at them. We'll do that but at this point we are. We are making sure to keep focusing on our mission to keep saint. Louis county residents safe fanatic includes that that entails the cases that we're dealing with now okay. Well we talk about when we come back. We're going to talk more about those big. Systemic issues that ferguson listen also revealed and see how far <hes> ferguson in saint louis county have come on those so wesley bell stand by here for just a moment. We'll be right back. This is on point. This message comes from an points sponsor indeed. 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Were talking this hour about five years after ferguson ferguson and the death of michael brown and the protests that followed in ferguson and the catalyst that it was to really shine a new bright light on race and policing thing in this country so we wanna know what you think what your questions are <hes> well the officer who was involved in in michael brown's death who who shot him officer darren wilson and has maintained that it was an act of self-defense in november two thousand fourteen in an interview with a._b._c. news as george stephanopoulos wilson said that he was following his training when he ended up shooting brown so you go through the checklist the mental check rule out mace. Yes this is all happening. Split sack yes and the thing was my firearm at officer darren wilson speaking to george stephanopoulos in two thousand fourteen well michael brown's mother lesley mcfadden head has has also been she has been a vocal proponent of increased police accountability here. She is in a two thousand eighteen interview. Everybody's got boy having a bad. Ah everybody's got making a mistake but you have to own up to it you have to be responsible for which do and we see lack of responsibility when it comes to slum law enforcement accountable for their actions. We're we're joined today. By wellesley bellies prosecuting attorney four saint louis county he previously served on the ferguson city council with from saint louis and also now joining us is fran griffin with us from st louis missouri. She's a city council member for ferguson's third ward. That's the word in which michael brown was killed. She's also a member of the ferguson. Collaborative live a group of community members advocating for community input and accountability into the u._s. Department of justice consent decree that was written regarding policing in ferguson. Listen frank griffin welcome to you. Thank you very much <hes> so first of all. Give us your take here. How far along regarding sort of big systemic take issue is that were revealed by what happened in ferguson. How long how far along has ferguson come from that in five years. We've made some improvements. Wpro fm is but we definitely have. We're not finished yet. We still in the implementation process of the <hes> policies that have so far dr been revised. We've got a few things that are still on the list. It'd be completely but i'm i failing positive that we will continue to work on those <hes> to get those accomplished a so specifically what so as of right now we revise the use of force policy stop searching arrest rest accountability neighborhood policing <hes> this was done <hes> in conjunction with the ferguson police department and the and the department of justice this <hes> but at all it was also done with a group of community <hes> advocates and residents <hes> within the n._p._s. C. which is the neighborhood mahood police in steering committee. Those policies wants revised once we go through the process then have to the officers have to get trained on those they after <hes> do so many hours of training and sold that specifically as one of the things that we're in the process of actually implementing the training are now <hes> and and so i mean you. You've obviously been a key part of the ferguson community for a long time. How how different is what you're describing from <hes> what was common practice five years ago. How different is it <hes> so there's there's a there's a disciplines. If you ask the people who have been revising policies they will they will have one specific answer for you. We like you know we've come a long way because we've actually been able to change things in black and white but in terms of the greater community the community that feels the impact of these policies being revised our i would have to be i would have to say that they have yet to feel that because <hes> those policies need to be trained officers have to be trained and then they go out into the community entity so <hes> depending on who it is that you speak to you will get different bill dick get different answers to see i've seen here that there are some some there have been some a meaningful very meaningful steps forward taken in ferguson right. I mean you remember the city council back in two thousand fourteen. There was only one african american on the city council. Now there are what six wchs is that right. Well you have ella jones who is the councilwoman in the first ward. You have <hes> tony burrows. Who is the councilwoman councilwoman in the second ward. He myself and you have byron frye who was appointed <hes> after wesley vale won the st louis county prosecuting attorneys <hes> elected position and he's in the third war right so so a a difference there than representation <hes>. I'm also seeing that the police department who at the time of michael brown's death only had three <hes> african american officers now has now about half of them are are black jason armstrong. The chief of police of ferguson is african american. I mean was lee belle. Are these are these <hes> meaningful differences that go towards changing the deeper issues that you were talking about that led to what happened five years ago well as many know myself and fran we're big <music> advocates for neighborhood and community policing in one component of that is having people in the community who reflect the community and so <hes> <hes> having more african americans on the police department by itself is not going to be a panacea it has to be coupled with policies <hes> <hes> to make certain that people are treated fairly that <hes> people's rights are not abused but having said that it is a step in the direction <hes> and sometimes i think we missed the the the the bigger picture when we talk about diversity and we think that will diversity for the sake of diversity is a good thing no diversity. You still don't wanna compromise bringing quality people <hes> experienced people who are connected to the community but when you're sitting in those tables at those tables were decisions are made and fran is in that situation now. It's good to have different perspectives <hes> at the table because what was happening prior to myself in france and others coming on the council is that you did not get the voice from from many of these disenfranchised communities to say hey wait. There's another way to look at this at this problem and so overall. We're heading in the and they're in the right direction but i agree with fran. There's still a lot more to do and so fan. I mean <hes> where were the next places that you would focus efforts in ferguson. Listen <hes> so as of right now we need to do. I believe in not only working on the progression of the consider consent decree but it's really important that we as a community build from grassroots efforts that means block captains that means getting streets organized denies that means getting neighborhood associations established throughout <hes> the city of ferguson which we have a lot that are already developed but we need more for specifically in areas where they're disenfranchised marginalized people in so <hes> that's something that is going to be ongoing regardless this <hes> also the implementation making sure that <hes> the department of justice in the ferguson police department are <hes> laying out the framework for what the the policies the training of those policies looks like <hes> making it transparent so that the community is aware <hes> moving forward in that manner. We have a civilian review board. We have cases that need to be reviewed and we have we have an opportunity unity to actually go through that process and see what that looked what that looks like so that we can always <hes> sign areas where improvement is necessary and work work on those two fran. Forgive me if you said this a few minutes ago but i just wanna be clear. Are there certain basic things that have yet to be accomplished <hes> with the ferguson police. Lee's department for example. I mean are they are they yet collecting data on police use of force so the question of the thing about the data was that faye the system that was used through the city of ferguson needed to be they they were technically speaking us into different data collection system so oh that was something that the monitor has talked about <hes> that's something that they're actively working on now actually <hes> getting to a point where they've got a data system system where they can collect all of the information that they need to perform different audits to perform different analysis <hes> and so that's something that they're working on now and then it will will be completed <hes> they're actually expecting for it to be completed within its next <hes> i would say within the next few quarters 'cause we meet quarterly orderly to in front of the federal status <hes> hearing to the federal status hearing in front of the federal status judge rather excuse me okay and wesley bill. Did you want to a comment on that <hes> yeah and and as i was there during the negotiations with with president obama's department department of justice <hes> i know that it is a large effort <hes> and and it's gonna take a lot of work to get these things done and and i know that <hes> fran and other members of the council <hes> who are very invested in this particularly fran ellen and others are really working to get that but we have to keep in mind this is a small city twenty one thousand people with limited budget budgets and so you know rome wasn't built in a day and all of these things aren't going going to be implemented in a day however we do want to make sure that there's a good faith effort to continue to push in the right direction and not drager feed and that's why i'm glad people like councilman. Griffin are there who will make sure that people are held accountable but there's just more to do and and you know oh and i'll even use this in france probably wouldn't bring this up because she's so classy but how will sometime not. They're just small things understanding that i was the council member in ward three as as well as as fran and and this is the area that has been the most disenfranchised the poorest <hes> the poorest economically challenged area and small things to help beautify this community sometimes get resistance at for example myself ella fran of worked hard to get a particular giller park there because there's not a lot of places for <hes> children to play in that area and <hes> that's something that has for some reason has has been a point of contention <hes> with many <hes> <hes> that shouldn't be <hes>. We're not talking a lot of money. Most of it has been provided through grants grants but i i think that's an analogy a metaphor for larger <hes> <hes> a larger air <hes> a larger problem of ignoring orange these areas that need the most attention to the worst streets are in ward three the lack of parks places for for for kids to play and and and that's why i'm glad we have <hes> some council members who were pushing for that well frank griffin if i may i should've asked you the questions that i asked wesley bell when we started parted this show because i love to hear from you where you were and what you experienced in in you know in the day in the days after michael brown was killed. Where were you at the time. I was was living exactly where i'm living now. <hes> i was a mother. I am a mother <hes> i was working <hes> for facility in the city that saw over ninety five percent medicaid patients <hes> from the time that they <hes> grew in their first tooth to the time that they turned nineteen and and <hes> so it was working and when mike brown junior was killed i was i came out side. I attended the visuals with children <hes> and while they're while being amongst my community watching people you know just just mourning the loss of a child within the community <hes> i was met with aggressive aggressive of tactics from our police department not just the city of ferguson but saint louis county as well and <hes> aggressive meaning being was riot gear <hes> in a in a time where we were using our constitutional rights to march. That was what you know we were doing at the time and we were met with riot gear. We were met with <hes> guns pointed at us and at the time i had my children with me my daughter miami child who was seven at the time was so afraid that <hes> she broke from my hands to get away from to get to safety and for made that was very <hes> impactful because i had taught my daughter you know if she was ever afraid if she was ever lost you know go up to the police officer. Give them your name. Give him your parents name you telephone number and for her in that space her reality was i was not doing anything and the police we're shooting at a community of people who were you know who were <hes> morton loss of some another child within our community and from that point on it. It told me that i had to be outside so literally for every day our go to work. Come home feed. My baby's changed my clothes and i will be outside in the streets with my i people and what i found was that there was a lot of us in the community who had the same experiences you know we we were dealing dealing with the same things and we were learning on the ground. You know what the who the local politicians were. You know what powers they had what you know who it was controlled what what's the purpose of city manager and all of that was learned so we just started attend city council meetings and and getting more and more involved so can i interject go ahead. Is it okay. I just want to <hes> to france point. I want to illustrate why neighborhood policing is so important because sometimes we hear the term and it can get kind of brushed under the rug as a cliche and i think that's the perfect example and this goes back to the previous caller and what we have to understand understand is that <hes> the with ferguson and many police departments we're doing. We're not getting involved and getting in <hes> in getting to no members of their community and and what that would that be get is a lack of trust lack of credibility so when an when a situation happens with an officer there was no one to style was willing to step up and say you know what i know that officer i know him so you know and i trust him so let's see what the facts are before we <hes> before we make a rush to judgment there that wasn't happening because officers were not getting out of the cars and getting getting to know people and that's what community policing is so important. I know some officers now that if they were ever accused of something there would be a lot of people who would step up and say hold on. I know this individual. Let's let let's hear their side of the story. I put this was happening in ferguson. Officers weren't getting out of their cars getting to know people and theref- and and that's the reason that there's no there was no one in our community that was going to step up and say you know what mr wilson is a good guy. No no one said that because no one knew him and i think that's a lot that's an example of a larger issue that needs to be addressed in addition to <hes> what happened on that fateful there well fran and we have about thirty seconds before we have to take another break here but just let me ask you briefly has trust been restored in any meaningful way between the community and law enforcement in ferguson our let's say no. That's a long term. That's something that's going to have to happen over time. Okay well frank griffin city city council member for ferguson's third ward. The word where michael michael brown was killed. She joins us today. From saint louis missouri wesley bell is also with us also from mm saint louis. He's the prosecuting attorney for st louis county and we are talking about ferguson five years later and the impact that it also has had on the national conversation decision regarding race and policing. We'll take a look at that national level picture more detail when we come back. This is on point. This is on point. I'm meghna chakrabarti. We're talking about five years after ferguson wanna hear your thoughts on how michael michael brown's death and the protests that followed in ferguson missouri five years ago how they change the national conversation policing and race in this country. I'm joined today by friend friend griffin. She's a city council member ferguson's third ward. She joins us from saint. Louis was lee bell is also with us. He's the prosecuting attorney for saint louis county with us from saint louis as as well and joining us now from washington jeff gays he c._b._s. News justice and homeland security correspondent he reported on changes in policing nationwide in the aftermath the ferguson for a special series for c._b._s. That's out this month. He's also author of black and blue inside the divide between police the police and black america jeff jeff good to have you back on the show. Oh so first of all tell us i mean you. What did you observe. You're you're at the. You're reporting on the d._o._j. At the time of michael brown's killing what were sort of the biggest issues that came to light as a result of what happened in ferguson there are so many you but all i'll start with how cell phone cameras introduced this vivid picture of police community relations and and use of force. I think that was the the pivotal evidence if you will that we saw across the country that really the open people's eyes you know the black community of course has been talking about these things for decades but a broader audience now saw what was happening and there were many people who hadn't seen this before who were certainly alarmed and others who were obviously aware became more energized and i i think cell phone cameras really changed the narrative around this issue and forced police departments in cities across the country to grapple with it <hes> to acknowledge now is that there are problems and i think that is the real legacy of ferguson <hes> but also you had eric garner. You had freddie gray. You had <hes> alton <hes> open <hes>. I'm sorry <hes> go alton sterling. Excuse me philander casteel. You had these very <hes> these huge cases and the video evidence was there and i think that's what surprised a lot of the people so i mean you've been reporting about how their police departments across the country to a certain degree underwent a a certain degree of self examination like what kind of changes did they try to implement well. You had to become more transparent. I mean these these are police departments across the country a big and small they were forced to become more transparent <hes> when they have these use of force incidents they were forced to <hes> go public with it's a lot of the information that in the past they would not have gone public with and they would have said well we want to protect the integrity of the investigation however now you're seeing police departments who have to be more transparent <hes> you have police officers wearing body cameras <hes> that that is supposed to increase the transparency <hes> so there have been these changes that have forced police departments across the country this country we to reveal more about their interactions with <hes> commuting members <hes> smaller interactions and then the more high profile file use of force incident so it is really forced these departments to become more transparent so suggests to that point though not everywhere. I mean full disclosure <music>. I'm sitting in a studio in boston. Massachusetts and their process of getting body cams on police officers has been incredibly fraught. There was a lot of pushback from the police department <hes> about even a pilot program around body cam so i don't think there's i mean not questioning your reporting but i'm saying that i don't think there's been this like overwhelming wave of transparency coming out of law enforcement well but but that and you bring up a good point about body cameras yes not every single department. There are eighteen eighteen thousand police departments across this country essentially so yeah not every single police department has embraced body cameras but the majority thirty of the major police departments yes they had to embrace body cameras and what we found is that officers who did not like the idea of body body cameras now in many cases they see them as a positive because body cameras actually clear the good cops wrongdoing right and so you you have the majority of police departments yeah they have to. They have introduced these body cameras. There are some that are reluctant to do so but the majority have introduced body cameras are and are working toward that goal okay fran and wesleyan. Come back to you in just a second but but jeff in your reporting you talked about how police many police departments underwent or had their officers undergo things like implicit bias training has has that proven effective well and and that is what we found in this year long investigation re crisscrossed the country talking to big and smaller departments across across the country and and implicit bias training as you know it was something that was introduced post ferguson by the obama administration <hes> it came out of the twenty honey i <hes> century policing task force that the obama administration led <hes> but what we've found is that there's no real measure <hes> that this implicit bias training is working in fact we talked to rank and file police officers in mesa arizona which is a department that is you know i think by all accounts you know if you look at the high profile incidents there. It is a troubled police department but we talked to rank and file officers. There's there who told us that they thought that implicit bias training was just a big show and was not helping the situation <hes> and it was part of somebody's somebody's agenda and it made all white police officers look as if they are <hes> racist so they did not like implicit bias training. We also went due to <hes> saint louis metro p._d. And the city of saint louis and we talked to officers there who say they don't even remember taking implicit bias training even though the police police department officials told us that it is mandatory for them to take it so that is one aspect of the training really that has you know there are questions about whether it's really making a difference well wesley bill. Would you like to respond to what jeff is found in his reporting. I i agree. I think that and i would just add the caveat that <hes> what we know is that with many of these trainings it depends on the commitment from the department often top-down if a if a chief insists and makes really mandatory that people not only <hes> take these trainings but embrace if these trainings and they're evaluated based on these types of trainings you'll see more of an of a positive impact with things like implicit bias but if it's just sit in front of the of of the computer and and get your hours in then yeah you're right you're not going to <hes> get the type of impact that we would <hes> wanna get and so <hes> with the eighteen thousand police departments in the country. There's no way to measure who is actually taking this seriously and who isn't and so that's going to be a hard thing to measure but i think the fact that we're seeing more of it is a is a positive but we have to make sure that <hes> our leadership in law enforcement understands how important these types of trainings are. Let's go to call derek calling from waterbury connecticut derek. You're on the air. I feel that <hes> a lot of you have to do with the law. The law allows the lack the necessary the need to use deadly force it so lax that even me and i feel like i'm the michael ferguson. I'm that person that's most likely to be pulled over and asked for my my registration license and i reached my back pocket to be at my life. I'm construct just that easy because the law allows them to say i thought he was reaching for a gun and another man running with his back turned and he's getting shot back. Would it back to them. The law allows that and we chase the police officer he's only doing what the law allows him to do when he can do it because his training and it's just wipe back in the slavery days when when they turned the dogs loose on the runaway slave he wasn't it wasn't illegal for him to do that. And is it legal right now now with the shooter derek. Thank you so much for your call wesley bill. Let me turn back to you on that. Because <hes> i guess derek is pointing to the fact that officers can <music> can frequently state that in in the moment they're safe. Their safety was at risk and that's one of the reasons why whatever the incident is happened <hes> and very very often <hes>. That's that's enough for for a court or if prosecutors decide not to bring charges so he does that need to change. Can it well there. There's a it's a little bit more complex and there's a caveat to it is that any laws have to be in compliance with tennessee versus garner which is the supreme court's ruling on an officer's usa force so many so states can not just right any laws that they want with respect to use of force they have to be in compliance alliance and the fact is is that if if an officer <hes> believes that his safety is in danger he can he or she can use deadly force now. Here's here's where training and body cameras come into play because if there's no one there and it's just not even he say she say are he say he say because oftentimes times the assailant is is deceased as a result of a shooting well. That's where body cameras come in in in in the play because now now we have a better idea of what happened. We can see what happened as opposed to just relying on someone's testimony and also that's where training comes comes into play is that when people underwent officers understand that hey you know the implicit buys coach coaches sensitivity but also de de-escalation. You're gonna see less of these situations so i think the more resources that we put into law enforcement that are actually effective. Give the less. We'll see if these types of issues and it comes down last. I'll say recruiting. We got to recruit more people who <hes> who are who are more committed committed to their community understand that <hes> just because someone is different or or or whatever their views may be that <hes> that those trainings trainings those those types of individuals <hes> need to <hes> be involved in in the different types of people need to be involved in law enforcement. That won't just yeah resort shooting people well frank griffin. We've got a couple of minutes left in the show here. And of course we've been focusing a lot on policing itself gulf but it's not just an issue of law enforcement right. It's not just an issue of the use of force. There were whole complex variety of challenges oranges at ferguson face that led to that moment. I mean beyond police what are the the supports. What works still needs to be done in the community at large <hes> so as of right now we need to do a lot of organizing amongst the neighborhoods we have to <hes> find find whites to constantly include the residents of the community into the decision making process whether that means <hes> get a folks is more folks on boards and commissions whether that means <hes> getting them to take <hes> to take the opportunity to <hes> have a voice in who it is that we select is the <hes> the police chief <hes> also having other <hes> coming up with new ways for the community munity to get involved <hes> in terms of <hes> who it is that we have in these positions that are able to <hes> maneuver and make decisions ends on our behalf that are supposed to represent us <hes> get involved getting involved <hes> locally into local politics and understanding what those dynamics are and understanding what we're working towards and getting more people in the community involved in that process as well <hes> all of that adds to community empowerment main all of that <hes> helps change the dynamics of a system that <hes> was originally <hes> <hes> created needed established and run by <hes> people who a small amount of people and not not representing a large majority the people that lived in in the neighbor have things like <hes> you know <hes> african americans being disproportionately pulled over or fine signed <hes> wesley bell mentioned earlier that the county sort of just relied on the income from from <hes> from that to to to to support the county. Ami have have things like that changed or we still seeing still seeing. African americans are disproportionately targeted <hes> i think i think we have some challenges as i'm not sure if you're aware but we have a we have an interim city manager that was cited than a deal and d._o._j. Investigations as encouraging the police department to increase fines and fees <hes> who believes that the main thing we should be doing is compliance not taking into consideration the fact that there are several people within our community that simply can't afford to do some of the things that they're asking to be to comply with and so i think this process is very important because one yes we should be abiding by the law however we need to look at these ordinances. We need to look at things that that impact specifically which is the requirement within the consent decree they impact specifically marginalized communities <hes> people of <hes> who who don't have the finances to be able to take care era of stuff <hes> to to be able to you know. I'm gonna give you a perfect example like me for instance my <hes> my law more went out but didn't have have the finances to be able to get it fixed in the meanwhile. I'm getting notices their my grass is tall so if we've got ordinances that saying that hey you can't have grass above above a certain level but then you don't have the income to be able to address the problem. It's not that you don't want to you. Just simply don't have the income to be able to address the problems. Then what ends up happening is that hall rotation of of generating fees based off of ordinances that are put in place that specifically not affect people who do not have the funds to be able to address down so wesley bell. We've got a minute left to go and i'm so grateful that fran gave us that that example there because doesn't that get to the heart of the matter that they're like really deeper issues here that power the cycle that that the of poor relations between or between let me rephrase that power the cycle that led to what happened five years ago and have we we made any meaningful progress in getting those really deeper issues. I think again if we expect something that has a up an issue that has we we have been struggling with since the beginning of this country to end in five five years <hes> we're misguided the idea although is to start addressing these issues systemically the policies that we've implemented in our office are directly add at doing that examples being getting rid of the cash bail system as well as expanding diversion programs to give individuals who need treatment that helps so that they can avoid the the the void incarceration but to france point exactly. That's that's also something that needs to be addressed. Some people they don't have the finances and we got to work with them and give them opportunities to be able to address these issues while with that. I've got to go and i'd like to thank all my guests wesley bell frank griffin and jeff peg as thank you all so much for joining us today. This is on point.

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According to the black information network after a five-month secret review of the two, thousand, fourteen shooting death of Michael Brown. Saint Louis County's first black prosecutor Wesley Bell will not. I will not file charges against the former Ferguson police officer Darren. Wilson, in the shooting death of Michael Brown. This follows a re investigation into into the case prosecutor Bell said after examining thousands of pages of witness statements, forensic reports, and other evidence. His office was then able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Darren Wilson committed murder or manslaughter under the Missouri Law when Wilson Shot and killed Michael. Brown back in two thousand, fourteen, a saint. Louis activists was upset and spoke out about the decision. Take a listen. Nothing. uh-huh. Nothing. All Talk. Turn me he got he. Got Police. Prosecutor. got. You. That's all the company of interest everybody. Else. Is Probably telling the truth. Telling the truth. Because you know it's just a lot of days. But you know we we made a serious mistake in here. In that we've given. We've allowed some police to be able to make the decision. Whether a person is guilty or innocent, and we've allowed them to pass judgment and and actually into death sentences. when when a young man I don't know his name but was in his grandmother's backyard. Trying to get in and was murdered 'cause they thought his cell phone was A. Wasn't. I mean, they always have a reason why they opened fire. There's a twelve year old boy dead. From playing with a toy. Because they opened fire and killed him. See if if anybody else. Fires a gun destroyed weapon and kills a twelve year old. They're going to go to jail. So, in this black lives matter movement, one of my things is. I. I would. I would love to see and I've got to do a better job or trying to make this happen to be honest with you. The has to be. The policing of the police, there has to be sentencing guidelines for policemen. See this isn't about we don't need police or defunding the police because I think if you defunding police, you're making the biggest mistake in this world, you need police that are lot of good police officers. You need law and order. I got all of that they what we talk about. But if we are paying US tax payers which I happen to be, and we're paying you to help us uphold the law, you have to be held to the same laws you hire to uphold. You can't murder innocent people, I. Don't see why that's a problem and people that don't get on board with this about the police. What are you saying? That is so cable. Once again, it's OK when it's not happening to you. But enough enough people had. That so far, this year and thank God, but we gotta get to make this whole thing count we have to vote. That's really the whole thing we have to vote. Things serious. Do your part. Because you know what you know about this election, his base is still his base, but I truly believe that he has lost some of his base I know trump. Some of them dad. Know I. Know a person who voted for trump. And then told me, it was the biggest mistake. They ever made They can emission. Yeah, I'm put. Also. It's this time. Saint. Louis African. American. Yeah. He's a newly appointed process. That's the. Know. What like like the outrage of the man? If the prosecuting office, the police. Department is in cahoots and partnered up. What can you do? You can't beat that. Conflict of interest. Yeah. Well, we'll keep our eyes on this story coming up next time to switch gears nephew Tommy here with today's prank phone call. Right. After this, you're listening to leave hardly morning show. Hi. This is Lee Romney End Mike Rotunda, and we are very excited to announce that we are finally doing podcast. Yes, and the name is scientology. Fair Game Everybody Scientology Fair Game. and. 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NPR News: 07-30-2020 11PM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 4 months ago

NPR News: 07-30-2020 11PM ET

"Live from NPR news I'm Shay Stevens President trump appears to be backing away from his tweet suggestion that the November elections should be postponed due to increased mail in voting as NPR's Franko or donas reports trump now says he's worried that the election results could be delayed by weeks or even months president trump continues to maintain that mail in voting will lead to the greatest. Fraud which he says could lead to lengthy litigation. The results do I WANNA see a day change now but I don't want to see a crooked election. This election will be the most rigged election in history. The President stresses he's not opposed to absentee ballots, which is how he'll vote in Florida, but he objects to mail in ballots, sent out millions of voters experts say. There's little difference between the two most states are expanding vote by mail as a result of the pandemic but still as much as half of the electorate is expected to cast ballots and person Franco or Donas. NPR News used in mayor civilised Turner says, the city now has confirmed more than forty five, thousand corona. Virus Infections, Turner says the pandemic is hitting one group particularly. Hard the city of Houston Hispanic community it's disproportionately impacted accounting for approximately forty percent of cases and forty five percent of the death. Meanwhile medical staff at Houston's United Memorial Medical Center say they're overwhelmed by covert nineteen patients some of whom are colleagues nationwide? The number of Corona virus infections is approaching four and a half million with more than one, hundred, fifty, two, thousand deaths. In, Saint Louis prosecutors say they will not bring charges against the Ferguson the former Ferguson police officer who killed Michael Brown. Saint Louis public radio's Jason Rosenbaum. On, the reinvestigation of a case that helps fuel a movement against police killings of black people both the local grand jury and federal prosecutors declined to charge Wilson with a crime after he shot and killed Brown in twenty fourteen and backlash over that decision likely helped Wesley Bell get elected. Saint Louis County prosecutor roughly two years ago. But after a five-month investigation bell says, the evidence does not support bringing charges against Wilson, which he says we'll be hurtful to people around Saint Louis I don't know how this region is ever going to heal fully. From from this case, we noticed significance of it but I think it's time that we try to move on. Bell said he spoke to Brown's family before announcing the decision for NPR news I'm Jason. Rosenbaum and Saint Louis Three ex-presidents were among the dignitaries in Atlanta today to pay final tribute to the late Congressman John. Lewis the funeral got underway hours after the new. York Times published an essay in which the Lifelong Warrior for Justice and equality encouraged ordinary Americans to help redeem nation soul Lewis Style July seventeenth at the age of eighty. This is NPR news. Democratic Wisconsin Governor Tony Iverson is ordering all residents of the state to wear masks in public mid a spike in corona virus cases. Republican Senate majority. Leader Scott Fitzgerald says he's trying to determine whether to reconvene the state legislature to override. Everts mandate. The Philadelphia Phillies have shut down their ballpark and postponed upcoming. Games this after team members tested positive for covid nineteen. Phillies were the last Major League club to play the MARLINS before the Miami team took a covert related break more from NPR's Tom Goldman in a statement that phillies say a member of the coaching staff and a member of the home clubhouse staff who were tested on Wednesday are positive for the virus no players tested positive. The team said it's canceling all activity at Citizens Bank, Park until further notice, the phillies were playing a series of games. Against the Miami Marlins last weekend when the MARLINS reported an outbreak on their team that now is infected at least nineteen nine players and coaches because of their contact with the Marlins, the phillies postponed several games, they were scheduled to resume play this weekend against Toronto. But after the two positive test results Major League Baseball announced, the three game series has been postponed out of an abundance of caution Tom Goldman NPR news, former Republican, presidential, hopeful, and businessman. Herman CAIN has died of complications from covid nineteen. CAIN became ill weeks after attending a trump rally in Tulsa where he was not wearing a mask, he was seventy four years old. I'm Shay. Stevens. This is NPR news.

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Ep. 61 -  Racism is an impeachable offense

The Breakdown with Shaun King

34:43 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 61 - Racism is an impeachable offense

"Today I WANNA make a case for you that I don't think has ever been made before. It's a legal case that I think should be debated in Congress and even argued before the Supreme Court. I believe that explicit lissette racism from the president of the United States is an impeachable offense. Not Trump has been a big at his entire life with this week has been the most explicitly racist of his entire presidency and I believe I believe that racism from the president is not only a violation of his oath of office. It makes it impossible for him to uphold the Constitution WanNa make my case to stick with me here. Let's dig in this is Shaun King and you're listening to the the breakdown the breakdown the breakdown before we fully began today's episode and before I press my case before you I'd strongly encourage you to listen to episode number fifty eight and episode number sixty where I explain the gravity in seriousness. Uh in danger of what Donald Trump has done this week. I think is historic so I want you to listen to those two episodes if you can because I break down a lot of these issues there but I also WanNa make quick observation for us. The trump presidency is overwhelming and I've long since believed that that's by design if you are a Muslim if you are a refugee if you are black or brown or a person of color color if you are a Ju- if you are native if you are l._G._B._T._Q.. If you are a woman in this presidency you are under attack but the attacks are so frequent that it's genuinely impossible to keep up and today I wanNA make a case that I hope will anchor us in the history of this moment because the gravity and the seriousness of this moment is real and I know how quickly the new cycle moves and moves on from issues that matter but today I want us to think in talk about the future of this nation. Let me break break. Donald Trump has a rich very history of racism and bigotry discrimination really going going all the way back to at least nineteen seventy-three when United States government I filed or racial bias suit against him for mistreating black applicants intents all over New York and at the time it was one of the largest urges lawsuits of its kind and that was forty six years ago and even in that lawsuit they were alleging bigotry and discrimination before nineteen seventy-three so we're talking about a fifty year or so history. He is a life long big and in the fifty years since the list of offensive has piled up and in a better time all of those things that Donald Trump has said and done that have been explicitly racist in the seventies in the eighties in the nineties in the two thousand into the two thousand and tens in a better time all of those things would the have prevented him from ever being elected but here we are. He's president and now he's openly carrying that bigotry right into the Oval Office and of course he is if you were a bigot at least as far as we know in your twenties thirties forties fifties sixties and into your seventies of course you aren't simply going due to shed your bigotry as you are sworn into office but I need you to hear something not only do I think he is violating his oath of office. I think his open flagrant bigotry three is an impeachable offense when Donald Trump listen to me when donald trump was craving the front pages of tabloids in New York and beyond inbetween his guest appearances sciences at Wrestlemainia on other wrestling reviews back then his racism his misogyny and even open accusations of sexual assault and sexual harassment they they were frequently dismissed in the seventies and eighties nineties and two thousands they were frequently dismissed and forgiven or forgotten by the general public normally with a wink in a nod and that happened really because of an equal mix of wealth of white privilege and the public's obsession with celebrities and all of that allowed him to ride and rise above for all of these very real moments of openly problematic bigotry but now that he's the president of the United States and not just an N._B._C. or comcast employees we with a bad reality T._v.. Show mind you where not a single apprentice ever developed into a meaningful employees. Let's just be clear on that not one member who made it to the final round of that show state eight at the company or became anybody of note within the company it was always a sham and a ruse but now that he has no longer just an employee of N._B._C. or he is no longer just a guy about New York City but is subjected acted to the constitution and the laws governing his presidency he is subjected to the oath of office that he swore to somebody actually has to enforce those things I do you know the difference between implicit bias and explicit bias. I've talked a little bit about it here on the show but I need to explain it to you again. I'm talking about the difference between implicit sit bias and explicit bias. I need to explain it to you in order for what I'm about to say to really make sense across the country corporations and government agencies including police departments all over the country dozens dozens of them if not hundreds are offering a new wave of what's called implicit bias training in the fundamental theory there is that in this country otherwise is well-meaning employees can be racist sexist homophobic transphobic xenophobic. They can be bigoted in ways that they may not really even be aware aware of the bias is still very real but the theory behind implicit bias is that you are unconscious of your bias that it's almost accidental if you I will not even saying I buy all right. I'm just telling you what implicit bias is is the notion that people can often unknowingly unwittingly discriminate nate against others in ways that are still painful and problematic but may not be overt and explicit it comes out particularly in preferences in promotions but it's not just about preferences and promotions. It's also about who's punished and who spared implicit bias fuels those things and it's very real and in all of those things racial. Slurs may never be used but bias and discrimination are still very real factors so implicit bias training is designed to teach people how they you may be advancing systemic oppression without being fully aware of it. Are you with me now. Do you know why listen to me. Do you know why corporations in agencies have training for implicit bias and not explicit bias because the answer is really simple. It's not deep corporations and government agencies all over the country now now getting into the tens of thousands of corporations agencies that are offering implicit bias training. There's a reason they have training for implicit bias and not explicit bias and the answer is simple explicit bias literally violates thousands of laws codes and policies all over the country when you are an open bigot on your job. The Standard Operating Procedure is that you don't need training. You need to be what fired that's because Hawes bigotry is dangerous in corporations and government agencies have already detailed that it's dangerous to have a racist doctor. Can you imagine why that might might be dangerous. It's dangerous to have a racist nurse. It's dangerous to have an openly bigoted police officer. Can you imagine just use your sanctified imagination and for a moment. Can you imagine why it might be dangerous for a police officer to be an open bigot. That's why responsible prosecutors all over the country and I'm thinking about my main man Wesley Bell L. in Saint Louis County responsible prosecutors all over the country. I'm thinking about Larry. Crasner in Philadelphia are now banning the testimony of openly racist police officers does that have been found to be openly listen explicitly bigoted on social media police officers who have been found to be open bigots in Saint Louis and Philadelphia and many other cities now and this is unfolding as we speak and we'll be talking about it on the podcast next week right now. Those police officers are being banned from having testimony in essence prosecutors can't fire fire racist police officers. Only the police chiefs are mayors are city councils can do that but prosecutors are saying this and because you're a racist you can no longer testify in our court system and you understand why because being an open bigot is antithetical to fairness and justice it's impossible to trust that someone can have sound judgment in sound credibility on people different different than them when they also openly publicly admit to hating those same people now that's common sense in all over the country we see it day in and day out out people are being routinely fired for their explicit bias not just on the job but we are finding places of employment that are literally firing people for their explicit racism awesome and bigotry off of the job as they should be because places of employment corporations across the country understand the dangers in liabilities of explicit by the if this past week has taught us anything at all it is taught us that Donald Trump is not implicitly biased highest now we already knew that but sometimes you need overwhelming evidence in this man's bias is not implicit. His bias and bigotry are overt and explicit in in other words. This man is not a youtube video or an implicit bias training away from being a better person when he told four sitting Congress women of color they you should go back to where they came from and that it couldn't happen fast enough that is so overtly explicitly bigoted and biased in this blew my mind that an almost identifiable phrase and it's still on the I just checked is listed on trump's own government website for being an example of bigoted communications that are unlawful in places places of employment is listed right now on the website of the United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and we almost never say those words out loud we say the E._E._o._C. that's the United States Equal Wool Employment Opportunity Commission. That's the thing that still exist and on its website it says the following and so much of this is right where trump has been this week and it's it's essential it says quote ethnic slurs and other verbal or physical conduct but 'cause of nationality. That's what happened. This week are illegal if they are severe they have been severe or pervasive. Yes it's been pervasive and create an intimidating check hostile check or offensive working environment if they interfere with work performance it's illegal or if they negatively affect job opportunities. It's illegal examples it says of potentially potentially unlawful conduct include in I need you to hear this insults taunting or ethnic slurs such as making fun of a person's foreign accent or comments like you couldn't make this up comments like go back to where you came from. They are illegal whether made by supervisors or or coworkers end of quote can we can we just pause for a moment the United States government literally details the very phrase that trump just uttered as their actual example of unlawful workplace misconduct the paragraph also alludes to the reality of why explicit implicit bias is problematic and can't be tolerated because after trump I targeted the four congresswoman on social media his followers then ran with it in gave his initial attack a life of its own when all of a sudden thousands of attendees at a trump rally in North Carolina began chanting sent her back send her back when they began chanting that to congresswoman Ilan Omar they literally created the hostile environment that it is detailed in the quote from the E._e._O._C. and I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think that moment was and is one of the single most bigoted moments in modern American. Work in politics the next day trump who has literally told over ten thousand lies in office then told one of the dumbest of them all. This was just yesterday saying he said this and I am I <music>. I'm having to clinch my fist again. As as I talk he literally said they he tried to stop his followers from making the bigoted chant sir no you didn't you are lying. He said that like we don't have eyes and ears. The man literally basked in the chant he stopped giving his speech and allow how the chance to grow and get louder and he did so for a full fifteen seconds and when he started speaking again trump said nothing of the moment he did it rebuke kid in fact he restarted his attack on Ilhan Omar and doubled down and that ladies and gentlemen that is why we don't have training for for explicit bias because racism and bigotry are a virus they spread in mutate and shape shift they find new host and take on new forms chiefs racism and bigotry alike a snowball. It's a snowball effect and explicit biased is a conscious choice with dangerous repercussions and you would be hard pressed to find a single fair clear minded expert on racism and bias say that what trump has done this week is anything other than open flagrant in dangerous bigotry. I have a quote that I wanNA share with. You and I'm not going to tell you who it's from. I just want you to guess all right because when I read it it shocked and until I tell you the quotas over I'm I'm reading from it. Okay so just in case. I just want you to understand these are not my words. This is all from the op-ed and I'll tell you who it's from in just a second vile repellent shameful shocking disturbing. Those were my first thoughts as I watched the crowd at president trump's rally in North Carolina last night chanting send her back sent her back about a Muslim congresswoman woman Ilhan Omar as their president's stood proudly making no attempts to stop them. Some people raise fist. Some were just children. All of them seemed united in racist rage. I feared this horrifying scene might ensue after trump had so recklessly and offensively instructed Omar and her forewoman squad of Young Female Democrats to go back to their own in crime infested countries of origin but to actually watch in here a large gathering of thousands of predominantly white Americans chanting such a blatant infamous racist trope about a democratically elected fellow American made me shutter it continues then it made me angry. This should not be happening in modern America and and the fact that Donald Trump is not just allowing it to happen but actively encouraging it to happen is an indefensible disgrace. The President keeps insisting that he's not a racist and this is it gets continuing and I've repeatedly said that in the thirteen years that I've known him that he's not a racist because I've personally never witnessed him being a racist but since running for the White House his inflammatory language has flirted ever closer to crossing the line into overt racism and now he's crossed that line big time. Let's be very unambiguously vigorously clear what happened in North Carolina last night was not just racist fuel demagoguery but it bordered on fascism there was the president of the United States whipping his supporters into a hyper animated state of rage about a political opponent the cause of her ethnicity end of quote <music>. Do you WANNA guess who that long quote was from. It's definitely not from Lindsey Graham. It's definitely not from any registered Republican that was actually from piers. Here's Morgan who I loathe but who is a lifelong friend and cheerleader and defender of Donald Trump and before we applaud piers Morgan soon after he made what I thought awed was a bold courageous respectable statement on trump when I read that I was moved I I loved it. I thought it was powerful but soon after that he then goes into his own weird indefensible attacks on Congresswoman Ilhan Omar but the greater point is this excuse my language peers fucking Morgan said this was not just racist fuel demagoguery but boarded onto fascism. Do you understand what I'm saying that a man who openly supported Donald Trump and has known him for nearly fifteen years and has defended defended him at every turn. Let me let me bring up the article and tell you the title of the title of the article is flirting with fascism and in the subtitle is this was the most sickening moment of your presidency Mr Trump up stop your dangerous racist rhetoric now before it's too late. Do you understand that we are in a moment where a problematic man like piers Morgan sees the bigotry in racism and and more coming from Donald Trump and felt like he had to betray their friendship to call it out presidents and prime minister's right now all all over the world are calling trump out and are openly saying that the bigotry demonstrated by trump and his followers is depraved and unacceptable. That's where we are right now. We are in a place where both off Pierce Morgan and the prime ministers of Canada in Germany and countries all over the world are literally saying to their country listen to me. Don't you mimic this. This is unacceptable behavior and we know it's coming from a president but listen country of mine. You cannot be like this. That's where we are. You could not find a single serious employer in this nation that would allow oh an employee to say and do what trump and his followers are saying and doing right now and I'd call that a major fucking problem. Do you hear me. It basically means. Here's where we are that the only reason that Donald trump has not been fired or removed. The only only reason is because he's the president of the United States he would literally be fired from any other major corporation for this dangerous tomfoolery and only congress has any real power. Four to hold the president of the United States accountable and all those scores of Progressive Congress people nearly a hundred have called for impeachment hearings to proceed Speaker Nancy Pelosi for whatever reason continues continues to be against it so let's examine though for just a moment I what the presidential oath of office actually says because it's just one simple sentence. It says this just one sentence I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and will to the best of my ability preserve protect and defend the constitution of the United States. That's it that's the oath of office one long sentence but I have questions. Can we sincerely say that. A man who has done what trump did this week is honoring that oath of office. The question it really comes down to is this Canon explicitly biased person quote unquote faithfully execute. The office of the President of the United States can an explicitly biased overtly racist person quote preserve protect and defend the constitution. That's the question Russian that this podcast has been leading up to can an overtly racist person preserve protect and defend the constitution and I emphatically likely say to all of you who are listening hail no in my opinion I think a case could be made should be made then in explicitly racist person cannot cannot preserve protect and defend the constitution they cannot in and let me break it down and be specific and explicitly racist person cannot preserve protect and defend the the equal protection clause of the fourteenth amendment or the due process clause of the Fifth Amendment now see both of those clauses authored during times when the nation was great crisis in they were authored to protect it groups of people who would likely otherwise be marginalized they've been challenged and successfully defended for over a hundred and fifty years because the equal protection clause and due process claws were designed to ensure that all American citizens are treated equally can and overtly racist person and again. We're at that moment where Piers Morgan is saying that Donald Trump is an overt racist can an overtly racist person who swore an oath of office to preserve protect and defend the constitution actually do it. It's a question is a question that I think we should be asking not just on this episode of this podcast but we should be asking that question in Congress. We should be asking that question before the Supreme Court Cana person who was explicitly overtly racist treat everyone equally under the law now now. I feel dumb even asking such a question now of course if you let an explicitly overtly racist person tell you they will tell you yes I can treat everyone equally under the law. They'll tell you that if you ask them one hundred times they'll tell you one hundred times but letting a racist be the judge of whether or not there racism negatively fuels and shapes the way they think and make decisions is ridiculous reckless. It's the very reason why listen to me. It's the very reason why overtly explicitly racist people are fired from every single type of place of employment. If you are an overtly racist person Walmart will fire you from bagging groceries. If you aren't overtly racist person Uber will fire you from driving cars. They've done it if you are. An explicitly overtly bigoted person Amazon will fire you from packing a damn box. Oh McDonald's will fire you from making burgers because when you are an explicitly overtly racist person you are a liability and this is key it gets to his oath of office to defend and protect and preserve the constitution when you are an explicitly overtly racist person you can no longer be trusted so you will get get fired from shake shack or Burger King or Wendy's or the local corner store or gas station because when you're a bigot you can't be trusted to be safe in your place of employment. You can't be trusted to be fair. You are a liability in what's painful is the marketplace corporate America has already worked out the reality that what the government seems unable and unwilling to acknowledge which is that when you are an overtly explicitly racist person that you can no longer maintain your employment moment corporate America has worked out what the government of the United States has not which is that simply being president of the United States should not give you permission to be racist. I the exact opposite should be true. The president of the United States should be held to a higher standard than an entry level employees at a Fortune Fortune five thousand company in this country in right now. Donald Trump is not being held responsible for his bigotry and we have put ourselves in what I believe is a constitutional the two chenal crisis as a result because this man should never have been trusted to be expected to uphold to preserve protect and defend the constitution but now that he has shown and revealed his true colors he needs to be impeached and only Congress has the power to do it with fat said we just have one simple action step for you to take today actually people we are building a team right now. Over twenty thousand of you nearly twenty one thousand of you are part of that team but we want you to join. We've called it. The breakdown crew with called it our action steps team but the team is now the the action pack and we need to go right now and you can donate you can chip in you can volunteer you can follow us on instagram twitter and facebook. You can do all of that right now at the action pack. That's the action P. A. C. 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7-31-20 What's News

The Nicole Sandler Show

07:47 min | 4 months ago

7-31-20 What's News

"It's time for new, coal. Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive voices network Donald Trump's flash of fascism on Thursday in which he suggested the possibility of delaying the twenty twenty presidential election due to the corona virus pandemic was roundly excoriated by allies and opponents alike, and on Friday morning the usually trump supportive wall. Street Journal. Editorial page made its position clear from the very first words quote delaying the November third elections is a dreadful idea. Only an act of Congress can change the date established in eighteen, forty five and there was no chance it will do. So now Lincoln ran for reelection amid the destruction and displacement of the civil war. The editorial then goes on to raise several concerns about the country's ability to conduct an election during a pandemic when so many more people will be trying to vote by mail, and when it's unlikely that the results of the election will be known on the same day that it occurs. They continued quote. This is not to suggest that the November election will be rigged as Mr trump asserts if he believes that he should reconsider his participation and let someone run who isn't looking for an excuse to blame for defeat. Wow. Many of us believe that trump's outrageous suggestion was mutually another ploy to distract the media from the big economic news of the day that the US economy crashed by a record shattering thirty, two point, nine percent. Any will rate last quarter the biggest drop ever recorded in history. The distraction ploy might have succeeded slightly, but the front pages of the Friday, New York Times and Washington Post both feature huge Bikini Charts showing by far the biggest GDP drop in history. From the here we go again, files Saint Louis County's top prosecutor announced on Thursday that they will not charge the former police officer who fatally shot. Michael Brown. A bad decision that could rip open old wounds amid renewed and intense national reckoning about racial injustice and police brutality against people of Color. It's been nearly six years since a grand jury declined to indict Darren Wilson the White Cop who shot Brown black eighteen year old civil rights leaders, and Brown's mother had urged Wesley Bell The county's first black prosecutor to reopen the case after he took office in January twenty nineteen. Meanwhile, in Portland, amid reports that the DHS was removing its mercenary force from the downtown Area Oregon police have now taken over protecting federal courthouse in the city that's been a target of protests for more than two months reportedly having state and local officers. Step up their presence was part of a deal between the Democratic governor of Oregon and the trump administration that aim to draw down the number of US agents during nightly confrontations. But the unidentified alleged federal law enforcement agents have not left. Portland they're still there waiting to pounce to agitate peaceful protesters. And there reaches expanding activists say they're preparing to greet federal agents coming to Albuquerque, New Mexico with civil disobedience and peaceful protests. Members of a coalition organized by the Albuquerque Center for Peace and justice vowed to resist any Portland style occupation of the city and any efforts to increase aggressive policing. Over on Capitol Hill, it's the return of Dr Anthony Fauci on Friday who's testifying before the House select subcommittee on the corona virus crisis joining him a CDC had Dr Robert Redfield and health and Human Services. testings are Admiral Brett curator. Felt she plans to reiterate that there's no end in sight to the corona virus pandemic saying quote while it remains unclear how long the pandemic will last covid nineteen activity will likely continue for some time at a time when. I grow seems to have been lost and uncertainty clouds. The Nation's path forward, Thao she is calling on lawmakers and all other Americans to go back to public health basics such as social distancing and wearing masks. In other news here's a Biggie the US Court of Appeals for the DC circuit agreed on Thursday to reconsider the decision to dismiss the criminal case against trump's former national security adviser. Michael Flynn. Flynn the retired army. Lieutenant General pleaded guilty in two thousand seventeen to lying to F. B. I. agents about his contacts with Russia's ambassador shortly before trump's inauguration, he later tried. To Undo the plea deal and Attorney General William Bar decided to just drop the prosecution but the trial Judge Emmet Sullivan ordered a review by a retired federal judge who argued that bars intervention was improper and flinch should be sentenced a split three judge appeals panel ruled in June that Sullivan should dismiss the case but still he persisted and the full appeals court vacated that. Ruling and the full appeals court will rehear the case as it should and Michael Cohen. Trump's former personal lawyer and fixer has reached a deal allowing him to write his tell all book about his time trump's lawyer. The agreement also permits Cohen to speak to the media while serving his three year prison term under home confinement deal comes a week after a federal judge ruled. That the government improperly sent back to prison his release on medical furlough to retaliate against him for his plan to publish the book, which Cohen has set includes quote graphic an unflattering accounts of trump's behavior Cohen. Last year pleaded guilty to charges that include lying to Congress and making secret payments to women who claim to have had affairs with trump, which, of course, trump denies. And finally, another stunning op-ed in the New York Times this one written by the Co founder of the conservative Federalist Society who proclaimed that. Donald. Trump's tweet suggesting a delay in November's presidential election as grounds for impeachment. The CO founder we're talking about is Steven Calabresi. He is northwestern university law professor who has defended trump numerous times in the past few years. He wrote quote I am frankly appalled by the president's recent tweet seeking to postpone the November election until recently I had taken his political hyperbole. The Democrats assertion that president trump is a fascist but this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president's immediate impeachment again by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate and quote This is obviously significant break from the CO founder of one of the most influential groups in Republican politics sounds like another crack in trump's wall to me. And that's just a bit of what's news for now I'm Nicole Sandler. If you appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show I, hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported and I can't do it without your help find out more Nicole Sandler Dot com and please click on that donate button

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Ghislaine Maxwell Docs Unsealed?! Ellen Degeneres Speaks Out?! No Charges Michael Brown Jr. Killer?!

The Pascal Show Podcast

1:43:20 hr | 4 months ago

Ghislaine Maxwell Docs Unsealed?! Ellen Degeneres Speaks Out?! No Charges Michael Brown Jr. Killer?!

"Own. The. Haitian building social were written now. People Failed Haka says. From Hollywood. Old Everybody. Welcome to the past gas. So yes. You guys are having a fantastic Friday is Friday y'all. Thank you baby Jesus for Friday. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm definitely excited about having some days off. And I'm sure Tom can attest to that as well how you doin'. Doing all right and dinner with my folks last night, we were going to do that a couple days ago but you know it started raining. But finally got to see my parents for the first time in many weeks for some outside. PIZZA EATING And my mom look good. So good. I'm really happy about that man I'm really happy about that. That's that's really good news I'm glad it's nice when you know when your mom. was just in the hospital just a couple of days ago you're just sorry. Early last week if I'm correct. And now she's bounced back. So that's a that's a really beautiful thing. I'm glad that MOM's doing. Okay I'm glad she's doing well. And she looks like she's back to her old self. I think she's still scheduled for surgery in September so. It'd be good. I'm glad I'm glad you know. Dino Good Morning Tanto Vein Good morning he says Hi Pascal and Tom. Lawrence vein yeah man but anyway. Yeah. We got some good things going on today because I felt like yesterday I don't know the past couple of days have been just kind of heavily negative and So and I talked about this last night on the last night's show as well. You know I'm really looking forward to the guests that I have on at ten am we have Antonio Morgan coming onto the show he'd literally pulled a man. This is a viral video of him actually pulling a man out of a burning car in the middle of the highway. And you know honestly. We're going to be showing that video again when we get him on the show at ten but. What I want to point out is like I know that there's a lot of negativity going on in the world. There's so many bad things and I mean, as you see in the titles down below, we got a lot of stuff that's going on. That's kind of negative or hell negative but also I really and I've said this before that I'm going to try from now on every single show, it doesn't matter how bad and. Trendy or topics. The negative stuff are I'm always going to find at least one good thing to make us smile or make us feel a little bit good about humanity on this show at least one a right I know that we talk about a lot of negative stuff get into the politics we got into, we get into the the the black lives matter movement, the social injustices that are going on in the world. Kind of what we talked about yesterday with the Lionel Morris thing that we talked about last night. And the slew of things we talked about the last yesterday morning but I also WanNa make sure that we also bring in good things at least one thing the balance out all the negative stuff you know. Because it really I feel like it's really eating away at me and I think everybody else on the show can attest to that as well. So with that being said, it's about time that we start bringing in some positive news and positive talk onto the show and we will be doing that and so we got somebody very special on the show at ten A. M. Antonio Morgan. Very, very amazing like this real real talk a hero you know a real life firefighter if you will you know. I don't know how he did this and we will show that video here when he's on at ten am but I'm very excited I am very excited by having them on. But before we jump into everything else you know like I said, I'm going to try to bring people have people smile a little bit. So I'm GONNA show you guys the skit we did a little skit a while back figure we should bring that up, bring it back on the make you guys smile a little bit so Here it is that beautiful bean footage. Get those, bastards. And we will never. Know. Hungry. Yeah. Adam. Yes Deuteronomy. So How exactly are we going to do? I have no earthly clue. Anybody have these suggestions force completely open. The Vegas I've got one. Oh, is this gives us great. This is at bic. Wonderful idea this could kill it's going to be. It's it. Just Oh. Come back to me come back to. Anybody have any. Real. suggestions. Yes. Sir Cease you still have that big terrifying on moral viewers. One of it, and I, borrow that next week the in laws are coming in. Does anyone. Anyone has suggestion. That we could use. Right now. Anyone. Vindicates what? Are you doing. Just to call my mom she she always has great ideas. No, it's been able to use the phone at four hundred years. Yes Deuteronomy I just WanNa send a shout. Versus your wife. Those cupcakes Just I mean exquisite just here. Oh my gosh. I'm bringing. Anyway I hope that made you guys chuckle a little bit Yeah. We did that a while back but. Yeah Man. That's when. That's when Tom had clean. Shaven face. Yeah. Now he looks like Kenny loggins you know what I'm saying it's. Or. My brother-in-law puts it. I looked like the unabomber but to each their own hey man well, I'll lean towards Kenny loggins a little bit you know what I'm saying. Unabomber's, and that was a fun day man outdoors park covered and makeup. There is a a field trip group that was like up towards the art house. It was just staring at us like we are in saying the entire time. Yes. That was a fun day. Yes. The now that's what. That was the best part actually seeing people seeing us like me look like a Black Rob Zombie you with a red face paint you know what I'm saying with Sean. Our Board David like all of us together just act in a damn fool in everyone going what the hell is going on in the middle of one of the most popular parks in Saint Louis people just running by looking at us all funny and stuff and man it was it was great. I was sweating my balls off though because it was hot that day I had a full-on trenchcoat that I never wear but at the same time. Don't know what I was doing. So seriously wrong with me that day, but it was a lot of fun that was a really really fun time. And I'm glad we were able to do that. Philip crazy. Laughing my butt off or Elham. Elham Oh. That was great. So. Thank you. Thank you fiddle crazy and your new. So please come down. Let us know where you're commenting from I. Appreciate you coming in and like I said from now on, we're going to be trying to bring in a few things that make you smile whether it's a skit where whether it's a parody. There's more to come next week. I'm working on a couple of things this weekend. So. Definitely be on the lookout for that. That's going to be a lot of fun a of. Pascal or he's at Pactel's. Because he missed an s but pascal makeup with savage like a black metal band in. Yeah like some Norwegian death metal band or some something like that. You know what I'm. But you know it was good times. Definitely. Some times putting that together and yeah like I said more of that kind of stuff to come. So be on the look out. Detroit. Okay. FIDDLE CRAZIES FROM DETROIT HE's. Washing this from. Detroit. Thank you order was. The Motor City. Yeah. Isn't it isn't that a song or something like that isn't a Kiss sure. I don't even know why I think I think I know why? Just because I wore that makeup. In that in that particular skit like I was part of like some. Kiss band or something like that. Maybe Yeah Detroit Rock City. Yeah. There we go. There we go. That's what it is. You know what I'm saying anyway. So yeah, there's going to be Like I said more time on the show, we gotta bring this stuff into this show because there's like I said so many other things that we are talking about the on the show which rightfully we need to. But. Yes it's time to just bring a little bit of lightheartedness to the show and bring some smiles. Too many too many. Negative stuff that we're covering which we're about to march into here very very shortly. Unfortunately, that's kind of how the del Mar the breaks you know what I'm saying so. It is what it is but. You know we gotta jump into our top story of the day real. Quick. Key Lane Maxwell's documents have been unsealed they have been released y'all. And if you don't know anything about if you been sleeping under the rug or under a rock or living in a cage or maybe you've been living off the grid living off the fat of the Land Ghee. Lane Maxwell was basically Jeff Jeffrey Epstein's henchman. The kick evil side Kitsch. This girl is of villain. And She's agreed to come out with a list of people that were involved with the things that were going on. Jeffrey Epstein's. Sex Island. Peto island. So Tom Speak on a real quick. Yeah documents dealing a documents about the dealings between Glenn Maxwell Jeffrey Epstein were publicly released Thursday by US court where the British socialite faces criminal charges. She aided late financiers, sexual abuse of girls. A lot of the information released so far. Comes from interviews with the Virginia Defray. Was One of the girls that is alleged to have been Well. I you know I don't know how to put it employed by Epstein basically. Yeah. I wouldn't say Loyd held captive I guess by him. But she yeah she she claims among other things. She mentioned that Bill Clinton had mentioned ended the island. she said that when she asked about why Bill Clinton was there she was told that Bill Clinton owed Jeffrey Epstein, some favors. But no, one would really elaborate on what that meant. She just said you know when Basically, that Epstein said that people at his level everybody else everybody favors all the time and that Bill Clinton owed him favors. She mentioned that she was ordered to have sex with Alan Dershowitz, the prominent attorney. She mentions that bill? Richardson. was involved in the whole scandal and he's the former governor of New Mexico former ambassador to the United Nations. So. She's naming name she also says that there was a large hotel. Chain. A person who ran a large hotel chain also involved in this. So of course, there's speculation about who that might be is that trump is at some other large hotel chain owner hill but. There was A. Is a huge amount of documents that were released there. Still documents that Elaine Maxwell has appealed the release of that. They're going to have to an appellate court will judge whether or not those can be released and those. Those will be more interesting ones those include flight logs and details of d'alene, Maxwell's sex life from a previously sealed. Interview that I guess she did. A few years back. So we could get another dump as soon as Monday. As far as you know more documents, you know real quick I mean what I find while does that we heard about this this past weekend right that there were that the I guess a judge ruled that all of our stuff is going to be out there to the public like she was gonNA release she was going to not hold up hold any of that information away. She's going to release all the stuff if she starts to speak. In, start giving out a list of names and all that that does were going to be released. We weren't gonNA sit and wait for year. But I'm GONNA be real. I didn't expect this stuff to happen so quickly. I'm happy about it but damn this was it was fast bre like this fast. You know. But at the same time, literally I was having conversation with my sister. The other day. Yesterday and I'm sitting there going man it looks like we're going to have to wait a year to get any information. At all and Lo and behold. She there already dropping bombs right now in fact, I do have a little bit of a video. Let me pull that up. Because it's I found it very interesting as well. and has to do with A. Good friend. Bill Clinton on one second time. Of course, it's of course, has got to load up a an ad right quick hold on guys I'm so sorry but. Real. Quick I mean you know. To think that there are so many accusations out there. So many. So many people saying so many different things right now. You start to wonder. How much of it is going to be factual. And how much of it is going to be how much of it is going to be thrown out there for the world see how much of it's GonNa be swept under the rug and how many people are going to be coming out saying this ain't true at all I'm interested to see what the result is going to be, but here's the video real quick. Pass. Charges Against Glenn Maxwell for Helping Jeffrey Epstein. Sexually exploited views multiple minor girls from the period of nine, hundred, ninety, four through nineteen ninety-seven. Maxwell has been taken into custody early this morning in New Hampshire, and we'll be presented this afternoon before a magistrate judge in the district of new. Hampshire. Okay. Never Mind my bad. That was that was the wrong clip but. They went on to say that. That there is in questioning by lawyer they were saying that you know, do you have any regulation recollection of Jeffrey Epstein specifically telling telling a telling you that Bob Bill Clinton Bob Bill Clinton. favors. This woman of Vanessa. Of. Virginia Guthrie. was basically saying, yes, that this guy like he was dropping, he was Dr- literally. Jeffrey Epstein. was literally dropping his name every chance he got mikey was like he was very proud that he was friends. Or that Bill Clinton owed him a lot of favors now. No matter where we where we stand what we think of. When we stand politically where we stand. A creep is a creep. And the fact that he is. On that list is unbelievable but at the same time. ooh, Gosh I'm going there but I am. Think about. Hillary. Hillary. Clinton. Here's had like here. It is think about Bill Clinton the Clintons? All right. He has been accused of sexual misconduct multiple times. She is continuously stood by her man. Now my question is, is she a part of those things or? Is She just playing she just plain was she just plain naive during that time. Inquire minds would like to know what do you think Tom? I don't know I mean. I'm not the biggest fan of Bill Clinton at this. At this point. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. These charges came out I. mean he's not my favorite. You Know Cup of tea. You know he's you know he's Blue Dog Democrat but whatever. Politically. I don't really see eye to eye with him on I see more. I die with him on things than I do our current president for sure. But Not not the. Is Not my favorite but. I don't know I've always viewed bill and Hillary's relationship at least since the end of his presidency is being more for appearances. I I don't know how much is really still there as far as their actual relationship goes. But yeah I don't know. I don't imagine. Hillary really had that much to do with Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein there you know whatever their dealings might have been just because I don't think Hillary Clinton has that much to do with Bill Clinton Anymore I mean I think it's it's a political relationship. It's done for appearances. That's my opinion. Yes. As don't feel like there's much there anymore. But? Yeah. I. Mean I'm. Honestly wherever the wherever the chips may fall. That's you know. That I, I WANNA know names I. Want to know who is involved in this. Absolutely it's obviously very troubling. So I'm not sticking mine heck out for anybody on this. Thing I will mention Matt Grainy and creator of the simpsons is alleged to have gotten a foot rub on one EPSTEINS planes from an underage girl. So that is going to be all kinds of people that we may like and respect that might have now she claims that there was no sex involved it was simply a foot rub does a foot, rub? Yeah but. I don't know they're people who were GONNA have to lose some respect for. If if if these allegations end up being true now my question is though. If, because there's a lot of things that could be hidden in plain sight. You know maybe he's maybe. I'm not trying to justify anybody like this saying that right out quick before I, get just destroyed and bulldozed over here. But what I'm going to say is this, what if what, this, what the possible border, the possibilities of Jeffrey? Epstein. Doing everything in plain sight. Like hiding in plain sight maybe every time this is my assistant. She'll just give you a foot rub real quick on the plane. What if what if there's things that are happening that? Maybe what's his name the greater? The Simpsons was his name Oh macaroni. Sorry. Thank you. Matt I was GonNa say Mark Matt Grainy. What if he was there but didn't know the things that were going on behind closed doors I mean I'm just saying I'm not trying to justify anybody maybe he knew the story getting on that plane you never know but at the same time, it's kind of like Oh. This is a very young you know. Pretty girl rubbing my feet. This is weird. But says assistant. So it's fine. It's cool. Now would it be? Is that weird? Is that considering weird it's rubbing your feet. It's defeat Snyder. Anything else is just the feet is considering weird. Is that considered? Weird? That's the other question. I. Put up there. You know what I'm saying to me it's. Weird to me it's weird. It's weird. But you know I mean if he didn't know she was underage and he didn't know that she was you know also sex slave then you know it's a totally different matter I mean if he thought that was just an assistant or hanger on or something like that. I? mean. If he didn't know the full scope of what was going on with Epstein then. I can forgive it but it's not a good look. I mean. Matt. GROENING's one of my heroes you know I grew up watching the simpsons. Arguably one of my favorite shows ever Futurama I think I might like even more than that. Yeah. So I love Matt. graining. He's comedy hero of mine really hope that that is as far as his involvement in this goes. I don't know. It's troubling. Troubling. because. The him saying him some him saying he got a foot rub could mean some completely different right? Well, he he did not say. The girl that gave him the foot rub thanks and she said he was very nice and very pleasant and unlike all the people that she's probably given a foot rub to. Just said, his feet were disgusting that they were yellow toenails and gnarled and long and smelly she said they were the most disgusting feet. She'd ever seen on a human being life. That's great. But she also said that I think he Like maybe like drew or a little bit of artwork or something like that and addressed it to her. Little brother or cousin or something like that. But. You know I. Hope that's as far as his involvement in that went you hope that none of these people were doing hope it nobody's out there doing this kind of stuff right? You just imagine we're going to find out some Unsettling information about people that. On all sides of the aisle and all walks of life we're going to find. People that have been up to some disgusting stuff. Awful. Awful things. I can say is all I can say is you just never know now because I'm looking at this I'm not looking at the list, but I'm seeing what people are commenting on with certain names and I'm sitting there going wow, like Anderson Cooper. Anderson Cooper was on this list. You Know Kevin Spacey I get. I'm not surprised about Kevin Spacey Kevin Spacey's a dirty dog. Okay. We all know about Kevin Spacey Being Dirty Dog. In fact, I. Knew About Kevin Spacey Being Dirty Dog before people thought that he was a dirty dog you see what I'm saying. Now Alan. Dershowitz I've heard about that but Anderson Cooper was like what that came out of nowhere to me Stephen Angelito and and Gil Gilo and Gilo sorry Stephen Angulo was commenting just a little bit ago and he just named those three names. But then. Said something about Clinton and Lane Maxwell having. An affair. As well, so I don't like this. I like I said, this is just comments. So I don't know how much is true and how much is not, but you know not out to say false amazing about Anderson Cooper yet. Yeah. I don't want to say any falsities of any sort, but that's what kind of caught my eye in the comments on like what doesn't seem like a spot Anderson I don't think it's a spot the Anderson Cooper knew about those things would be caught dead in. But at the same time, there's a lot of people out there that come off one way and they're on this damn list. Now, the other thing though is I'm not surprised with Bill Clinton why? Because he already has a laundry list of accusations behind him I'm not surprised about that at all I'm not surprised if Hillary, Clinton was involved in those things to not at all not at all she's sorry but one corrupt son of a gun so to me. That's the other thing. That's why apparently now, this is all hearsay this all conspiracy theory nut conspiracy fax, get what I'm saying that apparently, the reason why trump kept asking about Kept bringing up the emails is because a lot of those emails had things to do. WITH THOSE TRIPS OUT TO EPSTEIN Little. Island. I'm trying to find the right word I'm just GONNA call it an island. You know what I'm sane. So apparently that's why he kept on saying bring them up. You know bring up a look. Let's see those emails because there's apparently very incriminating evidence in there that would definitely get her in some serious hot water and. From. My understanding some people say that there are. There are a lot of people that think that trump was involved with this as well. But then he had a come to Jesus moment he had an epiphany and realized how wrong he he was with whatever he had done and no no no. No. Hold on and why he's trying to quote unquote drain, the swamp or. So that's the cue and Non Pizza Gate conspiracy. You're you're referencing there basically, which is largely been discredited and could get you banned from Youtube. Well Yeah. No kidding no. But at the same time there is that theory out there that he? Had, done some bad realized he what the wrong that he did and now is like almost in a way like a vigilante trying to take everybody down. I don't know what to believe. All I know is. What I've heard you know. That is the seats gate conspiracy. And I. Yeah. I don't go along with the pizza gate conspiracy. I think there's obviously a lot of. And there's a lot of there's a lot of disgusting stuff around Epstein that may or may not involve Clinton trump. Any number of people but pizza gate stuff is I mean I can't go along with that. Of course those there are people out there that have this. This preference. Let's say that go by the P.. Word. And they are now a lot of them. A lot of are trying to say that they deserve to be. Considered into like respected like the LGBTQ plus community, which is a whole other can of worms which I don't get it. That's the most stupidest thing I've ever heard where there like a it's a sexual preference. We we deserve respect to know you don't. Know you out and if you're going out there. See. That's the thing is like if you're going when somebody no. Because I know I've been saying like you never know they might have gone out there and they didn't know the things that were going on behind closed doors but to me, it seems like they go out there anything goes. In. Everyone knows that. Whether, you're getting a foot, rub on the plane or not, and you just there to go have a couple of drinks and schmooze some people and then maybe go sleep ever. So comfortably in your thousand threads thread, you know count bed. Whilst craziness is going on outside like a big old or something like that. But other than that like if you really think about it s probably not happening. I feel like they know what's going down. You know. There's got to be like maybe code words or there's an understanding or a wink wink nudge nudge type of situation. Maybe you're not a part of it maybe you're not going you know sticking your hand in the Cookie Jar, but you definitely standing around the cookie jar? You definitely know that cookie jars there. You see what I'm saying This a weird situation. As a lot of stuff going on. I think it was reading a couple of days ago. The I believe see Attorney General the Virgin Islands is seeking All of Jeffrey Epstein's financial records to show. How he made his money because that's been a big thing since it started is how Jeffrey Epstein who grew up in a blue collar family. How did he get his money? How did he get the level of wealth that he got to have his own private island and to be like an higher echelons of society? How did he get that money? So I think I forget what all the banks are. One of them had stuck out to me again was Deutsche Bank. Which I mean I think we've covered several times on this show has. been kind of turned a blind item money laundering. They were the only bank that would still loan Donald. Trump money. There have been investigations into money laundering coming from Russia through Deutsche. Bank. And just just a weird point here the former Justice Anthony. Kennedy son was in charge of lending a lot of that money to the trump organization. So that raises a whole bunch of questions as to why he resigned to make way for cavenaugh. There's so much if you start pulling on the string oh yeah. You can. You can really go down a rabbit hole in all things start to unravel in you're going wow, that's why this is this and Oh my, and then you know of course I think that's what. Some of what happened in regards to why that? That judge was basically targeted. was there was an attempted assassination on Judge data that just happened last week. Well, then that turned out to be a former, that was a person that had gone before it was a men's rights activists. That wasn't connected to Epstein at all now. Oh okay. Now he was a mess. They found out who he was. He committed suicide shortly after that. And Yeah he was. He had been on the daily show. He was you know basically a professional misogynist word. Oh Yeah. No I know. He was an anti feminist Nokia and there was some hints on that. Yeah, he had. He. Not Tight Epstein at all, but it could have been. I mean there was certainly in the aftermath of that people were wondering so. Crazy crazy. I'll say this though. Yes. I'm happy those documents are out I'm super happy about that. Let them keep releasing more information. Let's get the list out there. Let's get the word out there so that we can actually. You Know I. Guess how? Trump. Says swamp the. What's the word drain the swamp? In a way. I hate to use his I hate to quote what I hate to quote trump. But let's be real. Let's get all the nasty people out of the out there and expose they ask. You know what I'm saying let's expose they asses. It's about that time. You know there's a lot of people that got away with have been getting away with literally murder. Okay. We're not talking about Viola Davis Okay we're not talking about annelies keating up in this piece we are talking about all these people that are going around and doing all those nasty things or have been doing those nasty things all up until Jeffrey Epstein got arrested. So I hope they keep her safe so that the truth comes out more more of the truth comes out. So fingers crossed for that as well because the truth is. Literally coming out like crazy speaking of the truth coming out Ellen Degeneres finally speaks out in regards to the the they've been doing an. Investigation into the production behind her show Tom speak on it. Yeah Ellen Generous wrote a letter to her crew that was obtained by the Hollywood reporter Hollywood reporter. Generous dressy alleged workplace misconduct which was detailed in buzzfeed. The the widely circulated piece includes a host of former employees, anonymous accusations of racism intimidation, unjust termination in an overall toxic work environment perpetuated by shows top producers. So. Ellen wrote a note to recruit saying that she insists that steps will be taken to correct the issues. It's worth noting that none of these allegations really involve ellen herself. It's more about her producers running the show but she said, you know my name's on it and I take responsibility for what happens on my show. So I think. It seems like the guy that was really at the center of the toxic atmosphere was an executive producer at Glavin. He's one of the shows three executive producers. And, it sounds like that's going to be the guy that gets pushed out here basically they. One source close to the show says once at Glavin out it'll be like a whole new day so it sounds like The center of that toxic atmosphere was Glavin guy. Okay. And I mean obviously. Everyone's entitled to opinion about this situation but here it is you are Ellen Degeneres. This is the Ellen Degeneres show. You're telling me you don't know that the producers that you work closely with. Are Not toxic or are toxic. You're telling me that you don't know the person that you're working with that. You don't hear these complaints ever. You don't hear anything at all that seems weird to me you're running. A business. You're running a your. This is your image. This is your business you're telling me that. You've never heard. Any complaints at all whatsoever from employees employees that your people have hired and I understand that maybe you're not working in close proximity with all these people. But I guarantee you, you're you're hearing when there is a a russell, you know what I mean. You're hearing when something's not right Also if the energy in the room, if the energy at the work place or behind the scenes is negative, you were most definitely a part of that. You're telling me that you're walking into this place having a grand old time. Happy. Go lucky and you're just in everybody's all negative and unhappy you're not gonNA notice the cold air in the room that doesn't make sense. So as much as they're going. You know we do know we're getting. We're taking care of it. Blah Blah Blah and how she's not. Know She's not connected to it. Mother Lover Your. Names on the damn. Awnings your dame, your damn name, the show. You are connected baby. Have we say the she ain't she is. That's what I say about that. She's she says, you know my name is on the show and everything we do. And I take responsibility for that. She said alongside Warner Brothers we immediately began an internal investigation and we're taking steps together to correct the issues. So I mean she is kind of playing playing ignorant here on that she didn't know I can't imagine that's the case. If people aren't happy on your show, trust. So then one, the one of the things that the kind of came out in this. A crew were told not to. Talk to ellen kind of the same thing that came out about Steve. Rb a few years ago that the crew was told to not talk to them and avoid eye contact and you know just Kinda. But here's the thing though let me just be straight funky with you though. Steve Harvey. I'm not I'm not on his side on message. He wrote a letter. He wrote a letter saying that he said, please looking me please don't bother me. If you have anything that you have to ask anybody, please go ask to me or you think that I'm the one to answer all these questions please go seek to go talk to one of the producers of one of the PA's cause I ain't got time for this stuff and that's literally what he said. There's some some parts that I understand in like the reason of. The reason behind it, but it doesn't justify. The means you know the the that created a toxic environment by doing that. But then also the same time it goes to show to you that you gotta show where people are actually going to him and asking him questions. So you see that it's not like he's untouchable people coming to him just like Ellen people are going up to Ellen people are going up and asking her questions. Now, this things that have already been, there's been accusations way before this, which we've talked about multiple times on the show that where she has been known as being a negative. She's been negative as hell she's been rude she's been. Kurt and not as Ellen as appears to be on TV. So I keep thinking that the energy that she's giving off. Behind closed behind the scenes is exactly the same energy. That's just dispersing throughout the CR- throughout the crew and it's gone on and on and on, and if you have somebody who is terrible, I mean there's sexual harassment allegations as well in this investigation as well. Now. They're. Like when you see something like that, you clearly are working with somebody. You're clearly working closely with that particular producer if you're the star of the show. How she play dumb or how can you turn a blind eye to something that has been going on for a very, very long time this is not just brand new news where she's like, oh my gosh, I'm surprised right now. No, this has been going on for years. For years. Yeah. So it doesn't make sense for her to just suddenly go. Oh I'm. I'm so absent minded in because my names attached to it all my Gosh I'm so sorry guys. Let me just tell you guys that you know we're going to get down to the bottom of it. Yeah no I agree with you on that. She absolutely probably did and should have known that some of this stuff if not all the stuff was going on, you have to know it is your show you have to know what's going on it. Yeah. So I would I would think she did. I mean hopefully a wake up call door. I mean you know I like, Ellen you know at least I like her persona. Me Too I. WanNa be I. Want her to be a good person right there. Really isn't I don't know I mean from these allegations. The more harsh allegations aren't really against her there against the producer. So I'M I'm hopeful that you know. That, she's not as terrible. As these allegations, but she should have known better. She should have had more control over your own show. Yeah. It was funny to me is that she is they've been trying to knock her down they been trying to knock her down not not the show not the producers, not any of the crew just her and now they're going well. Okay, apparently, we can't get her off the top of this mountain, but we can at least knock out the mountain. From under her so let's go for the producers. Let's go for the crew. You see what I'm saying it's like all right. She could play dumb go over here you know but at the same time. We can get US another another way. Start. taught. Attacking them off to start knocking them out. Bang. Bang Bang Bang you know. Because, they can't get her. Because I'm sure she doesn't do anything except be just a really mean person. I'm so she's just mean. Miss it I. Mean Person. She's a, let's not forget. She's a comic. That's that's. Comedy Clubs, comics are. Comics are comics. You know there I forget which comical I was was. Saying this recently, he's like pretty much most comics. Are Extreme personalities, borderline criminals like averred I forget who it was is the other person's saying like? Being, a comic is not being a comic as a totally male profession but A stripper goes up on stage and shows you their genitals comic goes up on stage and talks about their genitals. counterpart to that. Yeah. Like you know these are these are not your average everyday people. They're they're Weirdos so I mean if she If she is kind of. A toxic person I think that kind of falls with the industry but. Hopefully. Hopefully this gets cleared up. And you know place you takes responsibility for it. I mean I hope so too. But right now she isn't I mean she is going okay it's my show. Therefore, we're going to get down to the bottom of it but of course, it's going to be everyone except her that she's going to point the finger at. In regards to the negative negatively. In the in the room you know. and. Of course. Thank God is not heard doing the. Sexual harassment or you know, thank God is not her being the person that's doing bad things. But at the same time, she is a part of it. If she's turned a blind eye to it, you know she's part of the problem if she's turning a blind eye to it. Should she'd still have her show I. Don't know I leave that question up to you guys for sure. But I do think that there needs to be some sort of come to Jesus moment for sure you know and this is my personal opinion about that. Yeah I agree with you on that. I. Think. We agree on something we do agree holy God novice plan. This plan. But anyway, we're going to go into a quick commercial break. We have Antonio Morgan, coming onto the show, the talk about his his act of heroism and what he is doing with this new found energy. That he's wanting to spread out to the rest of the world. So we will be right back. This is the Pascal show. Back. Hey welcome back guys. Thank you guys so much for tuning in and sticking around if this is your first time checking out this show please be sure to hit that subscribe button on our Youtube Channel and of course, hit that light button down below that would really really mean a lot anyway you know like I've been saying. I want to show positive and wonderful things on this show from this point on there's been a lot of negativity. We talk about a lot of negative stuff all day everyday but something really amazing. Happened this past weekend. Where a gentleman by the name of Antonio Morgan went out of his way and saved a man's life, pull this man out of a burning car. I'm not kidding your this was some amazing stuff and we're going to show you right here exclusively on the Pascal show exactly that footage here it is take a look. Through. Their little. slayer. Yeah Man, I love it I. Love it so much. So much that we actually have the man himself, the man, the myth, the Superman himself man I'm telling you. I'm so proud to have this dude on the show Antonio Morgan is are in the house. What's up man? What's Good Going on with how you doing man I'm blessed you know what I'm saying I cannot complain I cannot complain. But you know we got. We gotta jump into this. You know what I'm saying because I got to ask you. How were you there? How were you there to be able to get that guy in the Nicot time please tell us that story man. Man He was just riding basketball man. We've both traveling in the same direction man but. had different paths stay right there man in When I roll past them when I seen him you know lose control of the car. Roll past missing the lump open the coordinators had to step in action. I'd just. As. Well. I mean so so like you know, break it down for us a little bit I mean, you were driving on the same highway and then was, did he whiz past you like was he in front of you like what was like? Did you see him on the side on? He was just driving. You know what? I'm saying going along with traffic whatever like that, and just lost control of the car. and. Hit, the wall and as I roll past. Slumped over, in the call. You know in A. That's my my son. You're mad get the camera from the go. Get Him out what I'm saying. My son's all the time with my son. I'm always teaching them about you know positive stuff man like changing life changing things man. So you know for me to be a hero like that people say you know that's just a regular everyday life that. You know. That's. Go ahead. But yeah man it was a testament I just couldn't leave him. You know what I'm saying to see to see it on old from the from start to finish. Pass me. His right upper lose control and see somebody Iraq has them unconscious but he looked dead. To ride pass that medicine humane. Humane they never that ain't never even been in yeah. You're like that WHO's just left their sly let their ride. I'm. GonNa. Go see supplements right right. So so tell me what was going through your head. When you got to the car when you got inside the car, what was going through your head because obviously by the time you were there, it was just kind of smoking at that time the flames didn't start coming yet. So what was going through your head at that time? Meant when I seem to smoke. I just thought you want to pull him out immediately. But he was unconscious. You know he came up a little bit. You know he was shot. You know. So I waited a second one to try to see if you're going to get yourself together but he he went back out, you know he went back out. That's one lane thought of coming into the slopes daughter coming you know so I'm like Dang I gotta hurry up and get him apartheid is going fast. Grilling this company for faster I'm trying to pull them apart between come to me. You know he comes. So like I say getting you know. Man But I. Mean, you've seen the video man it's like going home my whole faultless. My number one was to get him out of there despite on everything else that was going around. Around going on around me man I just wanted to get him up out of breath. It was hot brody grief I was getting exhausted man you know what I'm saying yeah. I just wanted to get out of there man whatever it took. Yeah. You know it because the thing is, is I mean? I guess the let me ask you is this something that you would normally do or is this something that just Kinda? So why else you just kinda jumped in at that time you see what I'm saying. Is Who I am man anybody who really know me they know me I just saved a couple of pints lives. We save each other my people my real folks matter. Who I am man just what it is I'm a leader. I'm saying I'M GONNA lead a man I'm a leader. That's all I noted be grow. Something like that and I got my with me. I'm GONNA continue because I'm teaching them how to be believe that's my name said the second. So I gotTA teach him how to lead lead bribes. Absolutely lead by example. With me. Yeah. Lead by example that makes that makes total sense. So when you after you pulled him out after you pull that gentlemen out like. What happened was he was he any burn marks was he any broken arms like how how was he? Now, man he was good. He was good man he. Look here was hurting. You said man, we only walked away with a scratch on. Blessed John Crouch on the minutes, it was A. Good. Man He was good man going to be good. That's how that's unbelievable man and you know what? I commend you so much for just being there. Said again. Key main keep. Keelan. That's what's up I. Mean You came you came out of nowhere you walked in you know you win against the you went against the man I mean you you you. You walked into fire to try to get this guy out and I mean you'd even know him right you didn't know him from Adam Right. Now I know. Another time. In my life just rope past mental seven. That's has contacted you at all after that that incident. We. Like my little brother man family man is Mama Man Yeah they we man, we bonded for life man that's. That's That's so let me let me let me ask you this then like what are you doing now? Now. That you know obviously I know that you've done this multiple times on just on your own time like as far as being there for people say people and everything but are you trying to do anything with this new found? With this new found energy, you know what I'm saying. I would say it's new foul energy. You see what? I'm saying. But you know. Because it's the energy been me. But the platform I mean, we definitely do some classroom for sure see. You know. Because there's a lot of young. He's young twenty three man right anything could have happened right there man where he could have lost his you know what I'm saying they're not not bigger. Bro, you know, right. So young man. Yeah manslaughter to keep to keep to save a life man. That's a lot safer life. Man People take them every day. But disabled life. And he young. Rogers WanNa give back whatever we can do to keep all saving lives. Instead of taking the man I want to use that platform like that. Let's keep save lives man. you see say, Bro. You generation onto me man manages is getting wiped out. is getting wiped out man. So how have whatever we can do as a community to save you? GotTa start somewhere like changes Satan's from. Friday they happen growth like changes Manfred for everybody involved in that. Yeah. Definitely. Meet my son, his MOM Ambra show this. So. Are You doing anything now? Right now as we speak in chew right now. Wherever it man if it goes. Facts. Only do right and do you know what I'm saying I feel? Numbers man strength in numbers maps really numbers though so you have. To, do single-handed but you know. Whatever taking man I'm waiting man that's got land. So I got players but you know players without you know. You know actions, Bro. You know you can act on everything man you ain't got the right numbers man. So then. So. Then what is your plan? What are your plans you say plan? So what are your plans? So maybe we can help you see what I'm saying, all the people that are watching right now. Maybe we can help. So what is your plans? Man to just to just blurted out like that and I got a lot of plans about a lot of things man you see them sample like. Everything We. Could start a new youth center man anything. To build the youth man anything and everything we can do to build the youth because it started with the young folks man that's why my kid is like this to my kids you always catch my was be with my kids because the. You know what I'm saying? Well, we go on we pass. Is Up today your next man so we got we got a way for them man we've gotta we've gotTa leave them in the right direction guidance man is what they need. So whatever we can do to put a platform so they can be guided that down right man that's what we need to do. Yeah. That's what we need to do so. You know they're absolutely, right. Well, you know what? When you start because obviously, you've made that platform you've created that platform already right. So the thing is that as soon as you get that next thing when you take that next step towards. Your plans definitely come back on the show and let us know because we are definitely down to help you and support you learn all that. No that's good. Hey. This is truth man you know what I mean? And you know what? I'm saying because what you did was an amazing thing and I know you didn't know that do from Adam. I. Don't know you from Adam. But I know that your heart is genuine and you have passion for people and that's an amazing thing. So we need to. Harness that that passion towards so your goals in towards those plans, you know what I'm saying let's happen for real. Yeah that's it. You you asked me like this and that's cool. You're. You know I had to come back at another time it really take because I wouldn't expect nothing is I would expect that nothing is just to save his life. That's it. You know what I'm saying that's it. So you know my If my planned surgeries can come you know what I'm saying he could come to pass what I want to happen man. Yeah that's new. Yeah. Let's do to really do it man. and honestly here it is. You didn't plan to go. You didn't plan to pull a guy out of a burning car. You know what I'm saying like you know and if you're God fearing man or whatever you know the Lord works in mysterious ways so I, feel like. something. Is trying to tell you something. Go tonight at your the right I. have. To say that again, I'm sorry. I'm moving fast on because I don't know what it is but. Is definitely softened shows definitely something trust me brother just keep going with the flow you're on the right that's a promise. All right show amen hit low. Thank you so much for being on. All right. Where can where can people follow you that kind of thing so that they can finally journey and make sure that you know when you're planning fully set up, they know where to go and help you out. Man I'm on facebook Tonio Morton you'll find me on there my company jacket trade sells and services. I G chief underscore executive underscore you could find me on the platforms Yes I'll. Right. Antonio. Thank you and seriously may God bless you for like all the stuff that you've done You know that was an amazing thing. You know what? I'm saying that that's small I know that you might think that was one thing but at the same, that was a great thing in hopefully that inspires other people to do great things out there to you know what I'm saying like inspire me won't. Won't. Gladys spire man for ru all day man Shea reaching out to me like he did not mad you persistent I lasted because his thing the one thing that we don't have right now as positive stories, we don't have positive people trying to do positive things you know what I'm saying and then I saw that video on Sunday. I. Was like Man I hope I can get this dude on my show because man that's amazing because we we hear too many people are too many stories of our people dying every single day. You know what I'm saying whether it's police brutality or a gun violence or whatever. To the point where you like man you know if only look. If only, we could have more positive things coming out where people can actually see. See. That inspires them to actually do something with themselves. You know what I'm saying. That is my personal opinion. You know what I mean word as it. You know but. But a man again, I just wanted to say a big. Thank you for being on today I. Really really appreciate it everybody who's watching the show right? Be Sure to follow Antonio Morgan right he's GonNa. He's about to be doing some big things real talk and big things for the community big things for our people and I don't mean just how people I mean are people everybody sunny way. We gotta go go and God. Bless you brother. We'll be right back. This is the Pascal show back. Welcome guys. Thank you guys so much for tuning into this your first time checking out the show. Please go hit that like button especially if you enjoy that conversation down below that really really means a lot I mean obviously like I said, we're trying to bring some positivity and goodness to the show brings some positive things to the show because that's what we really need right now. In just in the world in general. and Antonio Morgan is somebody that is doing something. Now where he is, he's got plans to do something more with the show or more with the show more with what he's done. With that acts of bravery that he did I mean, you don't see stuff like that very often anymore or actually you don't see stuff like that often at all. So for him to go out of his way. An untrained civilian to go out of his way and jump into the fire to pull a man he doesn't even know it all out of a burning car. It it makes you feel good about the world and it makes you feel good that there are good people out there and I keep trying to stress that as well on the shows must as we can. I mean lately it's been back. Sex Rings and. Everything else. Rona. On all the crazy stuff that's going on in the world. But Yeah I promise to you guys that I'm going to try to bring as much positively at least at least one good story. One good. Positive story each show. So if you guys with me on that, give me a thumbs up or definitely hit that like button down below but anyway. We gotta jump into some other bad news I. Mean it's bad news I'm sorry for that left turn. Tom's laughing because it's not i. mean we went from like heroism to this bs, but we gotta keep it real. there. Is some other information at some news about the Michael Brown junior case was recently reopened by Wesley Bell Saint Louis Prosecutor. Saint Louis County prosecutor Wesley Bell was reopened to do a deep investigation in regards to if they were gonNA put pray press charges on. Michael Brown Juniors killer. Why am I forgetting this man's name? Darren Wilson Darren Wilson and so I do have a little bit of a clip to show you guys because it's it's some real stuff you know. Hold on a second. There News. You know at the end of the day. This is not. This is not great news just to be completely honest about it. Obviously. You know I have my own personal opinions in regards to the charges. Being. Put on him put on Darren Wilson. But we will definitely have to pull up this video that you guys can see with your own two eyes. One second y'all. And this is happening in good old Saint Louis as we speak. Here we go. Breaking news the twenty fourteen shooting death of Michael Brown Junior. I'm Samantha Jones I'm Steve Savard Saint Louis County prosecutor Wesley. Bell just moments ago share the results of a new investigation into the shooting of Michael Brown which sparked the black lives matter movement West Bell says he will not open a new case against Darren. Wilson. The former Ferguson officer who shot Brown. After an independent and in-depth review of the evidence. We cannot prove that he did. Out of respect for Michael Brown and for his family, I, do not intend to relitigate the evidence in this case. These facts have been aired in public time and again. In this is a time for us to reflect on Michael's life to support Michael's family and to honor a transformative movement that will forever be linked to his name. My heart breaks for. Michael's father Michael Brown senior and his mother. Lesley McFadden. I know this is not the result they were looking for. In that, they're paying will continue forever. I also want to be clear. That our investigation does not exonerate Darren. Wilson. The question of whether we can prove a case at trial is different. Then clearing him of any wrongdoing. There's so many points at which Darren. Wilson could have handled the situation differently, and if he had Michael Brown might still be alive. That press conference is still in progress right now, we have a crew there and we'll go to them live when we get the rest of the information. So. As you see. Wesley Bell. was trying to press charges against Darren Wilson and unfortunately. He came back with. He came back empty-handed and You know Tom if you don't mind expanding on the a little bit more. This is the third time they've looked into bringing charges against Darren Wilson for this First Time was under the previous county prosecutor, Bob McCulloch and Bell Wesley Bell kind of ran against Bob McCulloch the primary in order to hope you know a lot of people were hoping that he would be able to bring charges against Darren Wilson But. It just doesn't look like there is a case there. Unfortunately I mean is Wesley. Bell said he he still feels that Darren Wilson could handle the situation better. I mean there was an altercation that happened No one's denying that but. Yeah Michael Brown's death I mean for people outside of Saint Louis I imagine you have some idea but the the pain and rift that that caused in Saint Louis, community can't be understated I mean it toward the city in half. So, regardless of where you fall on, was it a justified killing or wasn't You know there's there are people that still don't feel like justice has been done there I mean obviously they've looked into three times now. And people that were more sympathetic to Michael Brown's family you know have looked into it and it unfortunately just doesn't look like there's a case there. So it it doesn't look like charges are ever going to be brought against Darren Wilson which I mean maybe that's if if if that's If if that's where justice leads to that that there just isn't anything there. Then that's okay. But it there are a lot of people that are still hurting from that. There are a lot of people that feel like justice has been done there. And it I don't know what it's GonNa take to heal. The rift has kind of happened in Saint Louis and now. Across, America about this. Similar cases but. It's very unfortunate. I mean you know. If there are no charges would be brought against their Wilson. If if if it's not a case that can go forward then that then that's fine but. It just feels like. Just feels like there's loose ends all over the place and people still hurting and. Just. Feels like this. Little. It's never gonNA end. You know here it is I. Feel I feel bad for I know this Now. I'm not gonNA even say a precursor before this I feel bad for Wesley Bill. I'm going to say that I'M GONNA. Say that allow I think that he really was trying really hard to find. But maybe the facts may the evidence was pointing towards something otherwise. You could tell in the way he addressed the situation. You could tell he was really broken up about this. And you could tell he was really trying his damnedest. To, bring this man to justice. But unfortunately, the cards were not in his favor. It's unfortunate. It's really unfortunate it and yeah, it tore tore me up when I saw it live I actually saw this live. And just on facebook and the reaction that people had was heart-wrenching. You can hear people screaming out after him after he made his statement he's he's walking away from the podium and people are going. But what about what about what you said you were going to do? You said you were going to do these things man you said you were going to bring him to justice what about him bringing him to justice I understand the frustration and the anger that a lot of people are having. In regards to that situation. It is one of the very first. A deaths murders that happened. That started the Black Lives Matter Movement The origin of black lives matter. and. It's unfortunate. Man I I'm upset personally. About it because I feel that. They should have brought them to justice. That's what I think. Or they should have brought them to trial and let them duke it out there. At least. And then lay the facts out. Then I wanna know like what are the facts that they were dealing dealing with what was? Wesley Bells team looking at what are the facts that they saw. that. Changed their minds or made them go We. WE CAN'T PRESS CHARGES For the third time. So. I wonder what? The what amount of investigation was going on. I'm not saying anything bad towards Wesley Bell. Or anything of that sort at all. I'm just curious as to what? What was the evidence? What were the facts that they that they saw that deterred them from making that decision to press charges against Darren Wilson. That's what I'd like to know. Because this is terrible and now we are walking into a weekend. By the way we're walking into a weekend I just want to point that out real quick in you know exactly what I'm saying. There's going to be a lot of unrest this weekend going to be a lot of really upset and angry people this weekend there will be more demonstrations if not riots this weekend on Saint, Louis Turf and I was really hoping that wasn't going to be the case. Damn shame so damn. Shame. Stuff makes me emotional. Because I know that I was I personally am was a very emotionally attached to this story a mostly attached to the story of Michael Brown Junior. And so I feel like nowadays, it's getting more desensitized as we start seeing more and more videos, more more bodycam video of of people dying. but he was the first person that really struck a chord in me and I feel like struck a chord in the entire United States. And it's unfortunate like I said, it's just a really sad that we have are not going to be able to bring that man to justice or find justice for. Michael Brown Juniors family. And I, know that's all they've. That's all they've only that's all they've ever wanted so. It's sad. Now my question, let me ask you this then. Now, is there another way? By could the family press like could they go for civil suit? Have they gone for a civil suit? You know. Sure. I'm wondering if like if they can't get him on the charges of some sort of. Murder charge or you know manslaughter trial whatever it might be. Is there another way that they can? Press Charges Against Darren Wilson. I'm looking it up I. Guess I had forgotten about this but I guess there was a settlement in the civil suit. But Michael Brown's family. Brought against the Saint Louis County police so It looks like there was a settlement I'm not sure what the details of that were. Was But that that might be sealed, but there was a settlement reached in. A lawsuit around this. Okay. So there was a civil suit. Now let me ask you this other question one and I know you're not the you know I don't know why I'm asking you like you're the computer something like that but. You, are fast on Google someone. Ask you this. My Google slow is hail. So let me ask you this. Okay. So when Wesley. Bell. got. Voted in all that was there were already two attempts already. Before he was sworn in. Saint Louis County prosecutor as I understand it I believe this is the first time was we bill has? In his position come out with this statement. So I it must have been under McCulloch. A couple of might've been McCullough and maybe maybe of FBI investigation that might have been it also there might have been a federal investigation. Okay. No, that makes sense because because I know that was the main thing that he was really pushing for. He was like hey. I'm going to bring you know I'm GonNa, bring. I'm GonNa Bring Michael Brown Juniors killer to justice I'm going to bring Darren Wilson to justice. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA. We're GONNA lay this case to rest the right way in, and there's a lot of people that were vote voting for him. In hopes for that. So I can like I said I can see that he. You could see that he was feeling some type of way. Having to give this bad news to everyone and in fact, he told the family before he made his public public statement and the funny thing is or not. The funny thing is is, but the unfortunate thing is that the family did not take it very well at all just understandably. Yeah. They didn't. They didn't take it very well, but they did not and so right after that that's when he had to lay lay down the bad news the rest of the. You know. Yeah I. Mean it just leaves open. So many questions how do we heal is a city I mean it's not like the city was all combined before Michael Brown was killed. Just didn't take place in a vacuum. Yeah. But since Michael Brown's killing I mean the city's has been ripped in half And continuing to be. So because of everything else that's going on everything from Rona like everything from the Michael Brown junior situation to the Rona situation to the wearing the mask, not wearing the masks situation to the other. Victims of police brutality that has happened as well. Brianna Taylor to George Floyd. Lionel like obviously the Lionel Morris is still brand new one. But. But at the same time, these are all people that were. That died in the hands of the police that we are still like there's a tear definitely but I feel like there's a tear. All over the country now used to be just like the heart of it used to be in Saint Louis, and then now that everything else is coming out and being exposed. It's getting like that. You see what I'm saying that that everyone else is getting affected this this wave, this tidal wave that happened here is. Quite. An aftershock quite awake that's going on throughout the entire country, which is the set. It's I mean, even even if you feel it was a justified killing, I don't feel that way But even if you do you have to understand the pain and hurt this causes in a community that feels the just the justice system doesn't work for them. And how do you inspire confidence in our system? When people feel like oh well, Michael Brown was killed and nothing was done about it. So you know. I mean. I can just imagine. There are people out there that just feel hopeless today now that feel like. You know. What's the point like I? You know why bother if this can happen? Absolutely. Absolutely. And I guess in some way. I hope. I. I send as much love. And prayers to the family. And I do hope that they find peace within their hearts and within their family. When they find their own way of justice and I don't mean anything like bringing harm to Darren Wilson or anything of that sort I'm just saying I just hope that they. Find. A way to find peace and justice for themselves. If that makes any sense. Violence does you know two wrongs don't make a right? So I Know anything crazy. But at the same time I, just hope that they find peace in are able to lay. Let their son rest. Yeah. So I, just. We gotTA FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO I. Don't know I mean, obviously, it's not going to happen this weekend. But at some point, we've got to figure out a way to bring the city. Somewhat together, get people at least on. We're not even on the same page right now we're not even on the same chapter I mean, maybe not even on the same book. Yeah I was GONNA? Say What Book? Right. Three different books. and. The heavy lifting that's going to be done to make the city not. Completely divided. Even. Before this Saint Louis was kind of a very divided city. The Dell modified is well known I. The school I went to in Santa Fe New Mexico. We talked about the del Mar Divide, they use Saint Louis as a blueprint, whoa or white flight. Light, divided city. Crazy right. Yeah. I mean we we have a long history of racial division in the city and The death of Michael Brown. Just brought all that right up. Yeah. It's it's really it's an awful thing. Yeah it is. It is a very, very awful thing and all all we can say is. Maybe they I, mean, I don't know by maybe they find another way to create something or find another way to press charges on Darren Wilson but I don't I think this is the third time's a charm. It's it's it's a done deal. Now you know but maybe I don't know anything's possible you know. Still Lot of questions pop up in regards to that whole incident. But I don't think we're GONNA ever get the full answer on everything you know. We it was a different time. You know it's weird. That was only about six years ago. Is GonNa be six years here soon. It's weird. It's kind of wild that it's only been a few years ago, and now we're starting to use our phones like it's a weapon you know. Videotaping and everything and how video is so important now. So I'd say keep keep keep taping y'all keep taping you know. Keep videotaping as much as you can you know. I'M GONNA open up the phone lines. You know real quick. So definitely give us a call three, one, four, seven, six, six, four, five, eight, one We got a few more minutes till we close out the show but love to hear your voices in in regards to that. So give us a phone call at three, one, four, seven, six, six, four, five, eight, one some other news left turn random. But Hey, if you're a fan of Atlanta's more set, she's got a new album that just dropped today. Sister to do a little bit of left turn change the mood a little bit. Who Cares I eligible after how left term we were? Yeah Yeah we went to the death of a of a young black man to. To A. White Canadian girl. It's all good. You know what I'm saying this is the show is full of left turns. Unfortunately. But I had to change the mood a little bit oh. Yeah. You know what I'm saying. We were going down there. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no no. But also Mr T. twelve asked me or said something earlier I'm trying to find. The. Actual accurate. Thank you. Mr T. Twelve said this and maybe he can send this to me really quick because I I love to see something more positive as as well onto the show. So he said, did you see the recent police rescue of a three year old drowning in Florida? It was recently released seeing good cops saving lives now here's the thing. I'm all I'm all about seeing good apple's doing good apples things. So if you have the video please how boy and email that to me. So then we can play live on the show and we can watch it all with our two with our own two eyes as well or for because he has to. But. Yeah I'm definitely down for that because I would love to see more positive things on the show, and of course, we we gotta give you the facts. Still you know what I'm saying we don't have Jack here. So I can't say facts Jack but we can't we can't. We can't we can't. Always. You know the show is not going to always going to be like great news today guys you know, hey, this little girl she's so cute when she blew out her birthday candles, she stuff their whole face in the cake. Now. We we throw that every once in a while. But no, we ain't about that life. You know what I'm saying you want that watch like the morning shows you know what I mean like good day morning or today morning or good morning America whatever those shows are. That's that's what they do. Pretty much. You know what I'm saying it'll be one sad thing I've noticed it'll be one sad thing and they'll go here's a morning boost and it'll be like a duck. Chasing its own tail or something crazy mean. It'd be something crazy like that. The right. Alanis Morissette's got a new album list talk to her. Know. What I'm saying that's literally what you see on these morning shows and don't get me wrong. There's a place for that for sure. We all need those Brighton happy things but sometimes. Sometimes, it can get real. Corny. You know it's just so hard to find positive news now because everybody's just stuck in their living room, right as like, you can't do that much positive from your living room unless it's a random happenstance like a guy is in a burning aren you pull them out I mean that's a tremendous story but backs baby. But Oh, my goodness, it's. Just. Not It's just not enough good news going on because everybody's just stock. Everybody's angry at the world. Everyone is angry at the world. You know what I'm saying and I understand that it's hard out here for Pim. We'll talk hard out here for. You don't what I mean. Let's. Let's keep Mr Balki is hard but plus it's an election year so. Don't get me started doug gets me started. Obviously I hope the election goes one way I can't wait until that damn thing is over I cannot wait until that damn thing is over I feel like I'm I'm with you one, hundred, ten percent. I'm ready for twenty twenty to just be over. That's what I'm ready for it. Just in general just in general I'm just ready for it. All your. Left turn real quick but we're gonNA talk about it. You heard that trump is also trying to. Push the deadline for the elections. Yeah. Some interesting. From all sides of the aisle on. Thank God. No No, no no. No and I mean that in a nice way, usually it's this like usually it'll be. The the liberals will lose their minds and then the conservatives will be worded frequent. Oh, you know what I'm saying. But then if it's both sides losing their minds over it. Cool it's so it's so comforting to me. You know what I'm saying. I don't believe he has the authority to do that which isn't to say that wouldn't try but he does not have the authority to do that, and he is facing blowback for suggesting that from both sides of the aisle, which is good to see. Yeah and the thing is like I said I'm happy that is a united front on that reaction because here's the thing if he gets elected and he gets elected in again and he wins okay. I'll take the ill. It's all good. I'm I'm I'm cool with it. Know what I'm saying I've come to terms with twenty twenty you feel me. I've come to terms with the weird ass like left hers that. Sorry or right turns I gotTa keep that even because if I said left turn than think we'll take it a certain way so. I'm cool with the random turns. That happen. Lately you know what I'm saying a twenty twenty but at the same time, I'm just ready for a vaccine to be out here I'm ready for. Things to be figured out somebody to be elected into office whether it's the same dude or another dude disguises another dude. Cool with it you know what? I'm saying I'm at that point where I might. Say Lavi Okay you know. Just being the French man. You know you people make my s twitch and then to sit you know what I mean just keep it moving but anyway. GonNa say Tom. I mean. I'm not I'm not I'm not as I won't be as cool who trump. For me trump getting reelected would be the plane crashing into the mountain. But. Yeah I just want this to be over. It's exhausting. It is costing. It has been a very exhausting time. I just want this election to be over. Obviously I wanted to go a certain way and I'll be devastated if it doesn't go that way, I just want this to be over and with the shutdown to be over to I. Mean I it. Between between the upcoming election. Of the unrest in streets and covid is just been a brutal awful. Horrible year. Knock on Wood I can't imagine a worse year. But it's just. Just takes everything out you. I mean, I think regardless of what side of the fence you fall on. You know if you're Republican or Democrat. Thing. We can all agree this year has been. Just an unmitigated. Health Scape. Here just off. Yeah Yeah You know here it is it. It is what it is. How you look at it whatever way you look at it what a whatever angle you look at it. Is What it is. I don't know it. I see here all day and Say something you say something towards trump or say something towards. The liberal side or the conservative side or whatever. But at the same time, but you know it's like. This twenty twenty. You know what I'm saying this is twenty twenty i. just really hope that twenty twenty one is not as bad or if not worse. But before we dive into that, let's see something positive. Shall We? For the love of God. We got to check this out for sure because. This is a Florida Florida police officers. Help save a three year old found floating in pool. So we're going to check this out. Guys big shoutout to. Mr T. for sending me this email sending this to me in an email. Just got it. Appreciate it my brother. Let's check this out. Let's roll this beautiful bean footage. Shall We? Sparring. Komo. Moving. I got I think I've got a poll sitting here pulse. Your underside. Yeah. She's like blue. Lord. Oh. I'm. EMS COMES UP. Can you wait women here? Okay Baby. Okay. For me. Breathe forming. Come on baby. Out of. Money give. Me a favorite can you there with police? Come on baby there you can. Breathe girl. Come on. Spit it up. Come on. Come on. Baby. Stay with me. Come on. Come. We go. Come on baby. Yeah Shell. Am My conscious. Yes. Finger sweep. I don't I don't got anything in her mouth. There you go. Come on. Come on come on sugar. Here. Okay. So gotTA. Lab Come on. Merson. Stronger it's slowing on back. Yeah. She was definitely blue when we got here. So coming back though real. Tried to. Multiple, times. I'M NOT GETTING ANYTHING JUST THERE WE GO Here. We come on girl bigger. Does. Come on. Touch for. Not Being. There we go. Girl. Come on. You're better. Yeah. WHOO that's how it's done. That's how it's done. Man. That was really cool. You. Know what I'm saying you don't get to see those things very often those kind of videos. Usually, assist bad news bears. So that was a that was a really nice video to see and the other thing is like. You know. There's good apples out there y'all is, let's not get twisted. I'm not sitting here saying I've never said that that all cops are bad. I've never said that and I never will. But you know there are some really great cops out there and what they did was really amazing thing and. Mr T. twelve for thank you so much. Shout out to you for showing US sending us that video. You know because we need to see some positive things like that. You know live on the show you know people just doing dope things you know and I'm trying to make sure that we have those things covered on the show. For sure we're going to be wrapping up here. Repin the show up here very very shortly but. Also. I wanted to point this out. That I will be having A. Very special guest on the show on Monday morning Monday. Morning, we have the parents of the the Sun Aj Mitchell Aj Mitchell is also a victim of police brutality. He is no longer with us. This happened in. Georgia Atlanta Georgia he is a kid who has autism or he was autistic autistic. And unfortunately, the cops did not know he was autistic and. Things went awry. They there was excessive force excessive force on him being detained. And he later died of cardiac arrest later on that day So I have the parents of a AJ Mitchell coming onto the show. To on Monday Monday morning at ten am. And Yeah. So there's GonNa be some. We have some interviews that are becoming up this coming week that are going to be some. Some thought provoking type of conversations that are gonNA. Be On we do have another one. That I'm still in the works on but. I'll explain that later. On. Tonight show the but But Yeah we're bringing the interviews back. We got a lot of people tuning in and wanting to come onto the show and tell their stories Especially, you know a times like the stories like these AJ Mitchell story. This something that really needs to be brought to attention for sure. This was a kid who had autism and. was. Treated. was mistreated in how they approached the police officers approached. This this this kid and of course, a ended with some very, very catastrophic results. But you know we will be talking to them. Or? His family will be on the show to talk about all those things and then I. I do have a couple other really special guests coming onto the show throughout the week. So just beyond the lookout for those but I will be on a little bit later on tonight for sure. It looks like I'll be on around the eight PM tonight So be sure to look into that. I will be on at eight PM. Central Standard Time Tonight, seven eight, pm, Central Standard Time, and we'll talk about things that are going on with the day or anything that we happen to miss this morning that maybe ends up developing litter on today we will be talking about or I will be talking about those things tonight for sure I want to say thank you. Tom For being on today. Thank you. My brother. Thanks for having me as always. We add some. We had some good news today yeah. Let's see. It was good style folks some heroes out there. Lease Sir Saving that child I mean that was yeah. Boy that was hard to watch at first. Know. You know hats off to those officers saving that child. That's amazing and what's Nice is that you know on some real stuff. We knew that it was somebody being saved. Like in was different is not somebody is is being seen somebody being saved. Lately, we've been seeing videos of people dying you don't I'm saying the end result is death, and finally we were starting to see life people are getting their lives saved like the man that got pulled out of like Antonio Morgan pulling that man out of the car you know that Steph some an amazing feat. That's an amazing thing to do. And so I'm very thankful that he like that that we're able to bring those kinda stories to light on the show and yes, we gotta talk about the things like Aj Mitchell, which will be talking about on on Monday show in with the interview, and there is another one that's pretty big. That was a big story in two thousand thirteen. And It's still an unsolved mystery is still an unsolved crime crime. Real, quick do you remember the kid that was found rolled up? In. A Gym Mat. In two thousand, thirteen. Off. The. Top my head. I. Do not remember that because it's so long ago and it's There's been so many other names and so many of the people. There are some interesting developing. Pieces to that story and we are going to be We will have the mother of the the the boy that was killed. was found. Murdered. And when they did a second autopsy they found. They he didn't have any of his organs. Oh. Second, autopsy. They found newspapers. Filling up where his? Organs were supposed to be. Something we're GonNa, we're, GONNA be talking about for sure and still to this day it is still. Very. Unsolved mystery or unsolved crime. The whoever did this to this boy? To this young man. Is Still. Out there. Still at. Large. And it happened in a high. School Gym. And he was rolled up in basically like a wrestling mat if you will. Right so That's some crazy stuff and he she and so the mother will be on on Wednesday to talk about all of that. So we're going to be doing a very interesting deep dive in in regards to that as well and talking to her about it and all that, and it's you know like I said is she's trying to bring. Bring Justice for her son. You know she's trying to bring awareness to that because she saying well. Whatever happened to my son. Could Happen to. Any other son. And we need to bring awareness to it, and it's been literally swept under the rug this story. So she's trying to bring it back up and IT'S A. It's crazy. Then also yeah John Caitlyn thank you for that. Did you also here and this is a we'll wrap up I promise. I'm sorry. But did you also hear about that they found a lead because John Caitlyn saying this they found a lead in Madeleine McCann's case in Germany. Did. You hear about have you heard about them? You've heard about Madeline McCain right? Okay Oh. Yeah. Okay. The intimacy just disappeared a found a hidden cellar somewhere. Yes. Used by the prime suspect. So now they're saying that they found they found a the apparently they found her. Yeah like a buried. Something was buried. Where there's another body was buried there too and they're saying that they may have found her remains so. which is wild but how would they know all about this? That's the thing that's why I want to know too. So there's a lot of things that we're going to be talking about over the weekend and obviously next week there's a lot of unsolved mysteries. So we will be talking about those things. So be on the lookout I will be. going. On live tonight at eight PM Central Standard Time again eight PM Central Standard Time James just so you know. James just so you know eight PM Central Standard Time be on the lookout for that, and we'll be talking about a gang of stuff and yeah. This coming week is going to be filled with a lot of conversations about. A whole bunch of stuff. So be on the lookout for that and I got some more skits, more parodies coming up as well with some very excited about but anyway again, Tom Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks for having me on. Meant anytime. Glad to be always always and you know you know I appreciate everything you do thank you so much for what your hard work. We'll talk. You know you're GONNA. Make me blush. Oh, go ahead plus everybody's watching. Oh yes. You looking at me. Look cupcake y'all. I, baby tie might actually have some color in my face is. The final. Note Kidman. It's like. Oh. Man. Man Anyway. So anyway guys. We're GONNA get going. I'll see you guys at eight PM Central Standard. Time be good yourself be good to one another and I'll see you guys tonight. This is the past cow show. Back.

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Kamala Harris & the Rise of Progressive Prosecutors

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Kamala Harris & the Rise of Progressive Prosecutors

"The. When comma Harris introduces herself, she's known to say the same thing again. And again, she talks about being a prosecutor, and I got all excited. My said what side become a prosecutor? I am a former prosecutor I have led investigations, and I have prosecuted all types of crime particular violent crimes, it's more than just a line on her resume. It's this vibe she has earlier this year when this video of her grilling supreme court nominee Brett Cavanaugh when a little viral. She had this look on her face eyebrows. Arched chin down lips pursed. Like, I know. He's lying. Are you certainly have not had a conversation. Anyone at that law firm? Has expensive? I would like to know the person you're thinking of because what if you're thinking of someone in you don't wanna tell us. When they talked about the testimony on daily show Trevor Noah laser in on the Senator from California, can you think of any law that gives the government the power to make decisions about the male body. Not. I'm not thinking of any right now Senator. Amanda about my God down Kamala Harris brings men for coming. The Harris being a prosecutor means she's tough. She's the boss. It can be a cordial way to say thank you next. Only have a few seconds left. And I'll just ask you a direct question. Did you watch Dr Ford's testimony? I did not I plan our plans. But today, we're going to talk about what Kamla Harris history as a prosecutor really means. We're going to do that with someone who's usually on the other side of the courtroom. So my name is Lara bass lon-, currently, I'm an Laura Basilan used to be a public defender. No, she trains defense attorneys, and essentially what I've devoted my out of the cassisi to is fighting on behalf of people who are poor and have no voice and quite often, those are people of color. She does this at the university of San Francisco school of law. It's just a few miles down the road from where Kamala Harris got her start at the San Francisco DA's office. I've never crossed paths with her. But like so many people who do the kind of work that I do in California. I'm intimately familiar with her record 'cause we've lived under her regime. Laura says going inside comma Harris's regime is the only way to get beyond her presidential rhetoric. So today, we're going to do just that we'll look at how Harris fought crime on behalf. The state of California, Laura has some real questions about whether comma Harris did it the right way. Stay with us. Come here is doesn't just call herself. A prosecutor she calls herself a progressive prosecutor, Laura Basilan notice it when she picked up Harris's new book the troops. We hold what she saw this phrase. My mouth fell open. Why because she's not one. She's calling herself that I believe because it's become this very trendy buzzy word with a lot of positive political connotations attached to it it signals that you are reform minded it signals that you are forward thinking and she wants those associations. I asked Laura tell me what a progressive prosecutor looks like she gave me a few examples starting with Larry crasner in Philadelphia Larry crasner came in. And he said, I was a former federal public defender in a civil rights attorney, and I'm here to make change, and he proceeded to fire over thirty one old guard DA's were putting in place pretty awful policies in my view. He started instructing his line. Prosecutors not to prosecute certain low level felonies. He's not going to seek the death penalty, which is a big deal in Philadelphia county where most of the people in the state of Pennsylvania who are on death row. Come from. There's also Wesley bell who just took office in Saint Louis, Missouri. Wesley bell. He was elected in the wake of Ferguson. He is very committed to looking into officer involved shootings. He to fired a lot of the old guard. There are many many examples of progressive prosecutors, and we are right now at a time when more and more people are. Running for district attorney and winning on true reform platforms, but come a la- Harris. She's just not in that group. How much do you know about how come Aharon got started? As a prosecutor. She got started as a line prosecutor in that Alameda County district attorney's office, and then she moved onto the San Francisco DA and she worked under a guy named Terence Hallinan who was considered to be a reformer. And then she made this decision to challenge him to run against him, which I think he saw actually as a real betrayal because I think he saw her as a protege. She ran on a platform of this office is in disarray and the conviction rate is really poor. And we need to step up our game who's she ran against a reformer who had like what kind of ideas was he pushing. So he was a former public defender who ran and won as the San Francisco district attorney, and he was considered to be pretty liberal. Now. Of course, we're talking about San Francisco. So this is a community that's quite different than many, many other communities that elected. Strict attorneys across the United States. But yes, he was someone who came from a defense background. I mean, you describe a bunch of things that she did while she was in the prosecutors position where she for instance, she made it so that parents could be prosecuted right for their kids being truant at school. And she refused to look at the Catholic church when she had some evidence against them. What are some other cases that really stood out in your mind? The case that stood out of my mind. Mostly were the wrongful conviction cases where she fought to uphold tainted convictions and not from my perspective as someone who ran an innocence project, and as an innocence advocate. There are other cases that bother me as well, including her real inability to respond in an appropriate way. For example, when there was a big crime lab scandal in San Francisco in twenty ten when she was running the DA's office and six hundred cases had to be dismissed it became clear as these. Cases were being litigated that the higher ups in her office were well aware of the corruption of the lab technician whose work was at issue and did not turn that information over to the defense as they were required to do. A judge got quite angry and issued a long-ruling sternly rebuking Harris. And her response was to challenge that ruling by arguing that the judge's husband was a defense attorney who had spoken publicly about the importance of disclosures in these kinds of situations. Therefore, the judge was conflicted. So simple. She made a personal end. She rather than reflecting on what had gone on. And what the judge had rightly pointed out to be failures and oversights and worse by her office instead took on I think pretty meritless personal attack. This theme of Harris digging in even when there's evidence of prosecutorial misconduct. You can see those were in her career to like take the case of Johnny Baca. He's convicted for murder in state. In the nineties, and basically the state's case turned on the testimony in large part of jailhouse informant. And during the course of litigation one of the lead. Prosecutors in the case actually committed perjury in an effort to secure the conviction which worked and then Johnny Baca proceeded to go alternately federal court to try to get relief. And at that point, it was up to comma Harris as the attorney general to defend that conviction or in her discretion as a prosecutor whose mission is to seek Justice to move to vacate that conviction because it was tainted and she chose the first pass, and she ran straight into a battering ram of three appellate justices on the ninth circuit. And what ended up happening was that they berated the prosecutor that she sent in to defend that conviction, and because the ninth circuit live streams by video it's oral arguments, and because one of the judges was quite famous it went viral by. At least lowly lawyer standards. And so it became very talked about and very embarrassing from. From. So you only relented when this case got a lot of publicity. That's my theory. And I contrast it to the other case involving amend George gauge where there was a lot of misconduct used to secure his conviction. And actually, quite frankly, I think the evidence of his innocence is more compelling than Mockus case. But he didn't have a celebrity judge his video didn't go viral. And I really feel like that may have been the difference. Because in both cases, the judges made it clear that they expected the line prosecutor to go back and talk to higher ups in the office and do the right thing. And in one case, she did Johnny Baca. And in the other case, she didn't George gage told me the story of George H just from the beginning. What happened was that? George gage was a sixty year old electric. He had no criminal record. He entered into a marriage with a woman who had a daughter named Marian and the marriage went wrong, very wrong. Gauge had an extra metal fair had a child. It was. Very acrimonious and Marian and her mom and that moving away following divorce, and there were all kinds of financial issues that were going on as well years later Marian brought forward Allah Gatien's that gauge had sexually abused her. When she lived with him as a kid and because so much time had passed. The only evidence was Marian testimony. So George gage was indicted and tried and the jury hung the first time he was offered a plea deal that would have essentially given him time served because he had been incarcerated he said, no, I am not sexual predator adamantly insisted that he was innocent. There was a second trial. He was convicted afterwards the prosecutor who's now a judge sought the maximum possible penalty, and in response the court asked for some documentation that it turned out the prosecutor had suppressed reams of material including medical and psychiatric records that were quite damning of Marian in terms of her truth telling ability and the most. Damning to me is a hospital intake form or her own mother wrote on the form, my daughter is a pathological liar and she lives her lies all of this information under the law had to be disclosed. It was not the trial. Judge read the material reacted so strongly that she wrote an order overturning the conviction. But ironically, the misconduct of the prosecutor meant that he prevailed on appeal because the California appellate court said while the jury never considered this evidence. And so judge you can't reverse on that basis, and then the case gradually over time made its way through various courts and ended up in the ninth circuit, and is George gage. Now, George gauge is eighty years old he is partially blind. And he is dying slowly prison in California. I mean, we've made this case for these cases, the Kamala Harris wench, she was in power sort of ignored pushed to the side. We should say that she put in place. Progressive policies to I mean, she instituted vocational training for first time offenders and implicit bias training and she corrected a backlog of rape kits that had gone untested. I guess my question is. What's she doing her job, which was to prosecute people to the full extent of the law? People have this real misconception of what prosecutors do. They think that prosecutors and defense attorneys are flip sides at the same coin. And that their job is essentially to win at all costs staying within the bounds of the law. But that's actually not what prosecutors do. They have this twin role, which is that. Yes. If they believe and can prove that a person is guilty. They have the application to prosecute them at the same time. If they think that there are significant issues that laws have been violated that the person's constitutional rights have been violated in God forbid, the person might actually be innocent. They have the ultimate ethical and legal obligation to concede error step aside and ask the court to overturn the conviction. And what you see prosecutors doing across the country is exactly that. And I can talk about specific example. So for example, Kim, FOX in Chicago she came in. As a reformer and she has conceded error in over twenty cases of wrongful conviction. And she hasn't been in office for that long. There are other examples to dating back to say two thousand seven when Craig Watkins run on a platform of reform in Dallas county and started a conviction integrity unit or Ken Thomson who sadly passed away after only three years in office. But from twenty thirteen to twenty sixteen overturned Twenty-three wrongful convictions, and instead of standing up in court and saying for this technical reason because twelve people found them guilty. I am going to stick by this conviction. What these prosecutors said was I'm not gonna stand by his convictions because they're tainted and because I think these people might be an ascent, but I guess would say is our criminal Justice system exists in an adversarial system, and she was defending the people of the state of California. Yes. This isn't a binary situation where everything she did was horrible. Wrong. That's not the case, you rightly point out a lot of the important things that she did there's the back on track program that she instituted for first time offenders, give them a second chance that was extremely successful and lowered recidivism she had implicit bias training instituted when she was the attorney general, she cleared a backlog of rape cases. So it's really important to point out that she did good things while she was in office. And you said her job is to act on behalf of the people. And you're absolutely right. And so my question is well is what people want is an innocent person to be rotting in prison because they didn't comply with the technical requirements of the law or is what people want to see is an innocent person be exonerated. Because a prosecutor said my job is to seek Justice in that the just thing to do here. So what does she do? Now, come Lara's entered the presidential race and wonder what for someone like you who's taking very sceptical view of her. Campaign. What should she do? Now. I'm a big proponent of restorative Justice. Which is about who was harmed. What are their needs? And who's obligation is to meet those needs. And we are talking about a lot of people who she has harmed not directly, but by using her power to wield legal technicalities to cement injustices, or in some cases, just simply failing to live up to her responsibility to disclose evidence, for example, in the case of the crime lab scandal in San Francisco, I think first of all she does those folks apology and second of all I think she owes them some kind of act to help them get Justice. And so I would hope that if George gauges able for example to pull together a petition for clemency or for commutation that she would do the right thing and support it, and I think she's taken some steps in that direction. So an example of that is Kevin Cooper who is on death row in California. He was convicted of a horrible crime has always insisted he was innocent his. Was infected by racism and corruption by the police when she was the AG and Kevin Cooper sought DNA testing advanced testing proof his innocence. She opposed it. And then nNcholas Kristof the Pulitzer prize winning New York Times columnist published an expose of Kevin Cooper's case, and it went viral and after that happened she reversed position and said that she would support DNA testing for Kevin Cooper. And in fact, he is finally ultimately getting that testing. And I think to convince skeptical folks like me, she needs to do more and more and more of that. And reckon honestly with her record. Yeah. I wonder if in the days since your article came out, whether you've heard from friends and colleagues who have talked to you about the sort of circular firing squads that the dumbs have been accused of of rounding up like are. We are we holding people to too high of a standard. Are we being too? Are retiring people down to. Soon. Yes. I have definitely heard for many people at Ben accused of participating in a firing squad. And here's what I have to say about that. I am not going to vote for Donald Trump. I'm going to vote for whomever, the democratic nominee is. But right now, we have a chance to carefully vet at find the best possible candidate. And we are blessed with so many people jumping into this race. And I don't see any reason at this point not to carefully consider the record of each candidate. So that we can make the most informed decision possible. I really appreciated. You are. So welcome Laura's lawn is among other things contributing writer for sleet, and author of the book rectify the power of restorative Justice. After wrongful conviction. One last rabbit hole jumped down today. The fire festival, you know, about the fire festival, right? Hulu Netflix both released documentaries about this disastrous music festival in the last week. But since there aren't enough hours in the day to watch one let alone both I called a Belousov pairs to get up to speed when I go to the five site as we came over the hill. All you could see was. See of these plastic. White pens, really crumbs Claes me together. They were people inside the tens PA out pairs works. Buzzfeed. It was like something really creepy and Irie from film. She actually broadcast hours of her own video directly from Exuma the Hainian island where the fire festival was supposed to be taking place. She streamed interviews with one person after another all of them waiting to escape. Elizabeth has Baheen herself. It gives her particular perspective on how this all went down and wine investor him. Billy McFarland was able to swindle so many people out of their money is to strange thing happening and people coming from outside to invest in the country. I'm undergoes, right? And sometimes it goes wrong. I think you know, I can say from the documentaries. It seems that you know, the government and government officials people were elected council people. They were Jews just like, you know, the other people. Who worked with Billy McFarland? They was by his energy. And he plummeted on the money that he was flashing McFarland is currently in federal prison convicted of fraud. But Elizabeth wonders why he seems to be the only one being held accountable and the questions that I was talking if he's going to have foreigners come out by something in your country. You have to be doing your do diligence. You have to be checking you all these people. What are they doing the hiring the hanging work and do they have the right? You know opponent. How do we know that to pay them on time, and I had so many questions, and actually I do feel like questions haven't been on? And you know, and I kind of I guess I would want journalists to live in the bomb. You can hear from my accent. I mean, I'm very precision. But you know, I did grow up there. I don't move in. Now, I would have wanted hanging journalists all you know, from the other side. How was this allowed to happen? I'm I'm really not afraid to my woods on that. And I think that the government had really. Been serious. They would if they would've stopped at. Elizabeth says she actually recommends you watch both fire festival documentaries, but I have a different recommendation. You'll get read up way faster if you head over to Elizabeth's Twitter feed at biz pairs, that's the is E P E A R S. Or at that's the show. What next is hosted by me, Mary Harris and produced by Mary Wilson, and Jason deleo own with help from Daniel Hewitt, leave a rating and review our show on I tunes. It helps other people find us. I'm gonna talk to you tomorrow.

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Ferguson Revisited: Questioning the Legend

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20:16 min | 1 year ago

Ferguson Revisited: Questioning the Legend

"Previously on what next they had they had my children raise their hands like they were criminals as well. Something happened the second. I wish i could remember exactly what it was is. That was the worst night of all of them right. <hes> you never know what you're going to end up remembering in life and i'll never forget her to really understand what happened. In ferguson in two thousand fourteen it helps to wind the tape back pass the day that michael brown was killed in the summer of two thousand fourteen. There were various episodes of black ackman being killed by the police under circumstances that were either clearly unjustified or which were unjustified justified based on the way. We first heard about them. John mcwhirter was watching. All these incidents play out john's black. He's a writer and he teaches at columbia university. Did it feel a particular way to sort of see. These stories come out because the details were really. The details were shocking. You had a man in a walmart walmart with a b._b. Gun gun down by police officers here. They're on the same story on. Watch your killed for holding up a toy eric garner. Eric garner is basically pleading for his life. Yeah and these sorts of things are not happening. Once every five years it was almost numbing and what was interesting about it was that finally white america could see what ails does a lot of blake america a lot of very well-intentioned whites. Look at the race debate. They think why are black people still so upset what's the issue and a great. Deal of the issue has been cops in ferguson. This realization was reinforced by how the police responded in the days after the shooting doubling lindau non strong arm tactics wearing body armor using tear-gas but john can't stop thinking about the details of michael brown's story the story that started all this he says so much of what people remember about the august day brown was killed is simply myth. There is an important legend here. John crawford did get killed. Eric garner did get killed and we could go on and on with various black men who were killed under conditions quite different from ferguson. It's inconvenient to me that the the case that forever most people think about is the one where essentially we we were lied to <music> today why john feels lied to this episode of what next is brought to you by the relentless windless a new podcast from sleet studios and century twenty one real estate. Have you ever wondered what makes someone exceptional business. Countless professional development books looks events and programs claim to have the answer but we all know there is no one-size-fits-all key to success in reality figuring out how to be an effective salesperson. Percenter entrepreneur is an individual journey and the relentless is about those journeys and what we can learn from them hosted by psychologists. Julie gerner relentless was was one on one with extraordinary people and takes behind the mindsets and behaviors that drive these folks to achieve inspiring things whether you work in sales or you're you're simply interested in what it takes to close a deal. The relentless will inspire you to think about success differently. Listen subscribed the relentless today wherever you get your podcasts. I just a few days after michael brown's around death. John was writing about it for time magazine the daily beast he's a typewriter who's got no problem looking at things through a different and often contrarian trillion lens. It's interesting. I <hes> am often thought of as a black conservative for very understandable reasons i worked for the manhattan hutton institute for a while and you know the the myth will never die that i'm a right wing republican conservative among some people but that means that i'm used to getting hate mail from people on the left. John was writing in support of the ferguson protests so this time he was getting hate mail from people on the right a lot of it. This was one of the first times i had gotten that that volume of hate mail that heated and it really got me thinking about the country's mood. Can you tell me about like one of the letters. I remember one physical letter that i got written in a rather crab hand and the person and said you know i'm a white male sixty something years old and i just have to say and you always have to watch out when somebody says i just have to say i just have to say eh that i'm tired of people like you stirring up racial animus in this country. I'm tired of being called a racist and to be honest mary i i could put myself in the heads of those sorts of people and understand how it might feel. John can understand this point of view because of everything he's he's learned after michael brown's death. They're really two stories of what happened. The night michael brown was killed. The story heard immediately after he was gunned down and and then the story became to know months later after a federal investigation <music> i the details of mike brown's death were hazy. Some witnesses said he was running towards darren wilson when he was shot others said he had his hands ends up in surrender. It was this image of michael brown with his hands in the air that took hold. This was the chant you heard as protests spread around the country hands up. Don't shoot it was repeated by football players. News anchors even members of congress hands up. Don't you but the truth what happened between michael brown darren wilson. It was more complicated good afternoon. I'd like to take the the next few moments to address has the the two investigations that the justice department has been conducting in ferguson missouri these last several months when the department of justice concluded six months of investigation into what took place in ferguson the attorney general eric holder announced it found no evidence to support the story that michael brown was surrendering to police when he was killed this morning the justice department announced the conclusion of our investigation and release a comprehensive sense of eighty-seven page report documenting our findings and our conclusions that the facts do not support the filing of criminal charges against officer darren wilson in this case instead witness after witness described michael brown reaching darren wilson's gun and eventually eh charging toward the officer who fired in quote what appeared to be self defense. One man said he testified so brown's family. You wouldn't think a police officer got away with murdering their son. Another witness said she would have fired sooner when you saw the department of justice report part about what happened with michael brown. Did that change how you thought about what you've been writing about for a year at that point. <hes> what happened <unk> happened in ferguson was quite different from what we were told. No one can doubt now that michael brown did not die with his hands up. He had been quite aggressive with darren. Wilson and darren wilson shot him because he was afraid. Now we can talk about why darren wilson have to suit him to kill hill. That's a whole conversation as opposed to shooting him in the leg but the idea that a quote unquote gentle giant got shot with his hands up is a myth and we've heard this even from the people people who were watching. I have been quite disturbed that a major element in our intelligence and punditocracy pretends spends that the truth about ferguson is somehow beside the point. You can assume that there's going to be a movie about ferguson and i can. I'm sure they're probably shooting it now and and in the part where michael brown killed you can be sure that they're gonna go in slow motion. They're going to start with strobe lighting the camera angles we're going to get weird and and the director and the writer gonna give interviews where they say that they wanted to make it clear that the truth is unsure that they're varying perspective. They're gonna pretend that this is all russia demanded cetera but know the truth is quite simple. They're going to be people who say the way you're talking is cold. I'll preface it by saying that part. The reason the mike brown myth sticks is because of a certain narrative compelling nature to what supposedly happened if you're trying to raise awareness about the relationship between black men and the cops what happened to him a._m. Is almost more educational than things that happened to other black men. It's a very clean kind of tale that makes it better. Maybe one of the reasons john's got so a little patience for the original story about michael brown's death is that he'd rather we pay attention to the justice department second investigation into policing in ferguson gessen yet it remains not only valid but central to question how such a such a strong alternative version of events was able to take hold so swiftly and to be accepted so readily now a possible explanation for this discrepancy was uncovered during the course of our our second federal investigation conduct what i find more interesting about ferguson is what led to the mood that would make michael brown behave the way he did that led ed the community to all circle around him at first and frankly promulgate the myth that he was killed in cold blood. The reason that there was this black animus in ferguson was because of indefensible biased treatment over decades that treatment as exposed in the report it was shocking it revealed that the city prioritized revenue over public safety there were floating the city budget by charging residents fines and fees the police force routinely made unconstitutional stops and rests and they disproportionately targeted black residents in a way mike brown's death was useful in that it called attention into that and also i wrote about that and got more of that kind of hate mail the idea being how dare i stir up hatred about ferguson jason again but no really if we're going to get to the heart of this issue of the cops and black men we have to know about what had been going on in ferguson including the less dramatic ver- matic but more important fact of all of these traffic stops and fines and nights in jail and months and months in eventually prison prison based on this open discrimination and running a town based on the collection of all these fees from people who have enough problems problems already john had his way it would be this issue the issue of racist policing in ferguson that would focus on today but years later after the release of both of these justice department reports he just keeps hearing the same thing. I was listening to two black men who are transit workers and they were just talking and this was in two thousand sixteen. This was after under the department of justice report had come out and one of them was saying so for example if anybody wants to say there's no more racism will mike brown. That's it right there and the other one said said yet. They were representative. They knew the first version of the story and for them. There's that legend in the community at this point and i certainly was not going to be one want to say we'll actually if you read the report because that wouldn't have helped and they wouldn't have wanted to hear that it's taken on totemic status and that. I don't think that's an optimal optimal state of affairs. I wonder if you can tell me if we remember this incorrectly. What are the consequences. Let's is why do you worry about. It lots lots of why does it bother me so much that that particular story is the myth that myth if it actually helps create change john crawford get shot because he holds up a gun. Nobody remembers that everyone remembers to rice because he's little erica the reason that it bothers me that a myth lives that might be a spark ark for activism nevertheless. It's a myth but it could help create change what bothers me about it. Is that it being untrue. <unk> leaves black people who are concerned with where we are on race open to a charge of lying there so many cases cases where the facts are quite clear and then there's a case that people will bring up all the time they'll be movies and plays about which is based on a lie and the ally is easy to find today with the internet when john worries about the way we remember ferguson he thinks back to those people who wrote woodham letters in the very first days after the shooting the ones who are tired of being called racists. The ones accused him a race baiting hi. I'm ben shapiro and this is reality. Check years later. People like this people who are outraged by ferguson they can take comfort in the far right's embrace race of the idea. That ferguson is ally. The evidence shows that michael brown was an eighteen year old six foot four two hundred eighty nine pound black criminal who robbed a convenience store who attacked a police officer well high end. We've got shot. That's what the grand jury so. Many people who are tired of the race debate tired of being called racists angry at people who they perceive as stirring the stuff up for the most prominent case of cop murdering hiring a black man to be one where we happen not to have been told the truth where you can always say actually that didn't happen. It's not healthy because it's gonna stand in the way of constructive debate at aleve many people wondering whether we were lied to about a lot of the other cases if it were up to me we would would focus on the other cases. I think eric garner. I don't wanna say useful but i think eric. Garner is a much more useful case in that. It's quite clear what happened. It's quite clear you're what happened with tamir rice. It's quite clear what happened with sam dubose with with john crawford with all of the people that we see year after year to the iconic econo- case to be ally is highly inconvenient. It makes black. Activism look sloppy. It makes black activism activism look manipulative and i'd rather it not be that way so if we accept that this story is a myth that we're telling ourselves <hes>. I think it's still functional. I think it's still useful. I think a lot of things things grew out of that terrible summer that started a conversation that people needed to be having having i think that ferguson drew attention to the militarization of police and sparked a really important movement of people pushing back on that and yes it was called black lives matter but frankly it's probably had a powerful impact for more than just black people you know mary i would go with you on that. If all of america is more aware of you've the problem with black men and the cops the problem with the militarization of the police then we're further on than we were ten years ago and and you have to decide what your priorities are twenty five years ago. I remember an intelligent educated white white woman of about twenty-one just asking me casually and this is before. I had any reputation for writing about things like this but i remember her question. She was saying well well. Why black people can go anywhere. They want to go. You know here. We are at the school on their plenty of black people here. Everything seems to be so different from the way it was back in in the sixties and before that so what's the problem now and she really want to know and she wasn't saying it in a disrespectful way but she wanted to no. I think that her child now would not ask that question. I think her child now would know what the problem was and you know a lot of it is because her child probably would know who mike brown was or would know where of all places ferguson missouri tori is. I can't say that that's a bad tomorrow on the show the man between the protesters offers and the police our conversation was saint. Louis county's first black prosecutor wesley bell with my thought was okay. I'm going to get around. This and i just remember that thought like oma guy. My my house is on fire. We just knew of that crowd out got to the to the police officers who barricaded that something bad was going to happen. That's tomorrow on what next when our series continues <music>.

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Larry Krasner and the System That Fought Back

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17:06 min | 1 year ago

Larry Krasner and the System That Fought Back

"Hey, everyone. Today's show is the second part of a series. We started just yesterday with an episode we called the Ferguson effect. If you haven't had a chance to listen to that one. You might like today's story even better if you go back and check it out either way. Here we go. It's hard to paint with a broad brush because everyone has such differing opinions on everything that's happening here. Chris Palmer works at the Philadelphia Inquirer. Where he covers criminal Justice. He talked to me from the middle of his newsroom, you know, what I mean, even within the system itself, which makes it really fun to cover but also challenging in the way of offering sweeping observations for podcast that could be listened to by any of those people who have a different opinion. I called him up because I wanted him to explain just how quickly Philadelphia's approach to criminal Justice is changing. He is a reporter's reporter. He doesn't like to say more than he knows. Well, we do know is that in twenty eight teen prosecutors filed eighteen percent fewer cases and in twenty seventeen. And if you look back even further like five years ago Philadelphia prosecutors today, they're filing half, as many cases, this isn't because crime has plummeted. It's because the city is rethinking how crime gets punished even what constitutes a crime in the first place in the last year. This trend has been supercharged by brand new district attorney named Larry crasner. Chris to understand what crasner is up to you have to come with him to one courtroom and center city, Philadelphia. This case he was watching last summer and the DA himself. It actually attended this proceeding which was a bit unusual because the top prosecutor in normally in the past has not attended these types of things. This was a murder case an up and coming real estate developer a guy named Sean. Skeleton scatter had been killed after getting into a fight with a food delivery guide named Michael white. It's the kind of crime that can get a lot of attention the room was packed. There were a lot of people watching Mike white was, you know, all of his friends that he's not a he's not a pillar. He was a guy who's trying to make his way through college. He had a promising future. And so they wanted him out on bail. So the DA gets up says, we're not going to prosecute this as a first degree murder in Pennsylvania. That means the accused killer can get out on bail. That means he won't be facing a mandatory life sentence. The victim's family. He was not happy new at eleven tonight. The mother of the real estate developer murdered in center city. Philadelphia has given action news the scathing reaction to charges being reduced in her son's killing in the family directed their anger at one person. The new district attorney Larry crasner skill injures. Mother says tonight, quote, I was manipulated by Larry crasner. He was intellectually dishonest. I wanted to trust him he breached and abused that trust show. Unders mother told us later that she confronted crasner after hearing and told him that she thought that she didn't want to be a pawn advancing his political agenda. This was about six months after Larry crasner have been sworn in as a DA on a very, bold agenda. He really wanted to change the way the DA's office was operating for him. To take this case that had all of these elements that attracted a lot of attention. I mean, it was Michael white. It was a young African American and Sean Schillinger who was a wealthy white developer this controversial stabbing in a in a rich neighborhood with two sides that were very outspoken and passionate and for crasner to in this case say I'm gonna handle this differently. Based on what he thought were facts. I just thought it was a fascinating example of how the DA's office was different than six months beforehand. Yesterday on the show. We introduced you do a prosecutor in Saint Louis, Missouri who is trying to change criminal Justice works from the inside today. We're going to see what happens when you actually try to implement these kinds of reforms. I'm Mary Harris. You're listening to what next today we're going to Philly. Stay with us. To let him go down for something heating do. No. On the new podcast conviction. We ask how do you get Justice when the Justice system fails, you I know my son was innocent. And I couldn't prove subscribe to conviction to hear the story of one family fighting for Justice in the private investigator who may have taken that a little too far this and now wherever you get your podcasts. So let's talk about Larry crasner a little bit. He was sort of swept into office about a year ago. Yeah, he was elected in November of twenty seventeen. He was sworn in at the beginning of twenty eighteen. So was he kind of a long shot candidate tell me a little bit about who. He is. He certainly was an unconventional candidate in the history of Philadelphia. Prosecutors crasner had been a defense attorney for three decades or so in Philadelphia he started out as a public defender. And then he went out on his own had been a defense attorney and a civil rights attorney in Philly for a long time. And a lot of what he specialized in were cases that would. Not be something that would you would imagine as a prerequisite for prosecutor. He sued the police department upwards of seventy five times, he defended protesters pro Bono. He represented black lives matter. He was he defeated a host of other former prosecutors, and he kinda ran on this idea that like, listen, we all if everyone thinks the system is broken than products of this system shouldn't be the ones running it. Right. He kinda came in and said, I I have different ideas for how we can do this. And and use the fact that he wasn't a prosecutor almost this his his calling card, and he was really blunt and outspoken during the campaign about how he thought that the system was off the rails healed through the DA's office is like a sports culture. They try to maximize convictions and maximize years and it's a failed approach. It has made things worse instead of making them better. And initially, I think there was some questions about can you win on that kind of a platform the. Head of the police union, for example, was quoted calling crasner candidacy, hilarious and crasner himself. I think even since he's been elected has said that you know, he was not a typical politician, but he he easily defeated his democratic counterparts in the primary and then Philly being heavily democratic city. He won the general election easily as well. Even you know and the police union endorsed his opponent, which obviously didn't make much of a difference in the general election. But he he unique candidate for sure. So the police union endorses his rival Republican, and then he has to get into office and actually work with these guys. Yes. And no, I think obviously the police incidentally, Philadelphia. They're investigating interesting people and Hanan cases over to prosecutors to take into court. It has not been especially harmonious relationship between crasner and the F O P in the year that he's been in office when he first took office last year. What were the kind of things that he did like how did he how did he take charge? So the biggest thing that he did and one that I think set the tone for his administration, and is still something that a lot of his critics bring up is that in his first week. He fired thirty one prosecutors, which the office has six hundred staffers about. Three hundred of which are lawyers. So that's a significant shakeup, and it was done on a snow day, the officers actually closed and thirty when people start getting calls come into the office. And then they were told from what we've heard they were told to hand in their resignation, and if they didn't then they would be fired the next week, and it's been huge shockwaves through through the city's legal community, which it's like a small town. Right. People have practiced for long time. Everyone knows each other. And the fact that he was coming in and telling thirty when people to leave was a big deal. Once every week or two he would announce a new policy or he would announce staffing shakeups or he would announce different initiatives. And it was really kind of a remarkable start. He changed the office policy on marijuana and said, he wasn't going to prosecute cases. He's he said there were going to be a list of crimes for which he was gonna no longer request cash bail from a judge. He hired and immigration attorney to change the way that the office dealt with certain undocumented immigrants, and what types of charges they would face in order to prevent them from facing deportation or other immigration related consequences. And then one of the more significant things that affected a lot of different areas in his office was he unveiled this policy memo that touched on a variety of different things, including how long prosecutors would seek sentences for he said from now on we want to go under the minimum guidelines for a lot of crimes in how we sentence. We no longer want to prosecute certain cases, like low level type theft cases. And that kind of stuff is important because it feels like in Pennsylvania. If you're charged with murder, you're in prison for life. There are these strict rules about what it means. Once you've passed a certain threshold, right, right? And that's crasner hopeful offie, and and his whole point, you know, Hugh campaign on a platform to try and reduce if not dismantle mass incarceration. And so he wanted shorter probation terms, and import of the rationale as he said, you know, we can see that. If you have longer probation terms, you're more likely to violate probation, and then get stuck in the criminal Justice system. If you have these misdemeanor type cases that can create a scenario where you are in the cycle where you're constantly getting arrested and reincarcerated. And so these directives were all aimed at trying to reduce if not dismantle mass incarceration, and some of the things frankly have been tried elsewhere, right like cash bail is going. Through a a moment nationally where people are realizing that there are other ways to do it Washington DC his loan not relied on cash bail, New Jersey, largely eliminated, California, recently, changed it. But this was crasner taking a look and saying we're gonna try and change some things quickly in order to kind of rethink how prosecutor's office going to operate. How many prosecutors does he oversee about three hundred or so how have these people responded to the fact that their boss changed and not just their boss, but the whole philosophy of what they do. That's a good question. I wish I had like a scientific survey that I could give you a Representative sample. They're certainly ADA's who disagree with this philosophy. There certainly ADA's who agree with this philosophy. But my question the way certain things have been handled, and then he has been on a hiring spree recently to to try and really change the culture. Of the office in the first year, he visited somewhere around two dozen law schools across the country. He personally visited those schools to try and recruit young attorneys. He has spoken frequently about how he wants people with the right? I think is phrases a moral compass. You know, he keeps saying that culture eats policy. Right. He wants the right type of people in there in a matter of months, the right type of person for the DA's office had changed. Larry crasner was looking for people with a moral compass, but it was as if the poles of the earth had flipped if you were prosecuting suspects to the full extent of the law that wasn't true north anymore. Prosecutors and police weren't the only ones pushing back against the new order. Judges started talking to you know, the most prominent examples of conviction integrity unit if the unit that was designed to let wrongful convictions and potential instances of injustice and figure out ways to write those injustices and crasner expand. That unit almost as soon as he came into into office and empowered it would new responsibilities that it didn't have in the past. And there were five cases that it took before judges in twenty teen and in three instances for varying reasons judges rejected the offices request and some of them were with the office viewed as just plainly illegal sentences or easy issues that they could say listen, this is wrong. Here's the proof. We need to correct. This. You know, but what I found really interesting was that the head of crasner is conviction integrity unit. She she said that she thinks some of the factors that have gone into these rejections have been closer scrutiny on crasner. Because of who he is. She said that in previous administrations when a prosecutor's office came into a judge and said, listen, we think there's an error here. We think it needs to be corrected. Judges would typically say okay because this happened so infrequently. That there was a level of trust that like, okay, they must really they must really want this to be the case because otherwise they wouldn't have agreed to it. Patricia Cummings who heads up crasner is conviction integrity unit. She she said that she thinks that because of crasner 's kind of outspoken beliefs she thinks the judges are giving it a closer look, and maybe pushing back harder than they. Otherwise would have mean publicly. Larry crasner has said he thinks this is growing pains. Do you buy that? I think that what has been so interesting is to watch. How policy gets put into practice crasner has not been afraid to take dramatic action that he has like I said from the first week kind of set a tone that he wanted to operate that office differently than people had in the past watching that develop in an environment where he is not the only actor, right? There are judges. There is a sixty five hundred member police force. There are three hundred prosecutors who worked for him. There are defense attorneys to watch how everyone has reacted into watch. How he has tried to navigate all this dynamics has been kind of the most interesting part of the first year. I mean, we just did a story about Wesley bell the new Saint Louis prosecutor making similar. Promises on the first day in office. Also firing people I wonder if you see what's happening Larry crasner as a little bit of a cautionary tale. I don't know if I'd say cautionary tale. I think one of the things whatever anyone thinks of crasner he has been kind of unapologetic in his momentum. You know, he has not really let anything tried to stop. What he what he wants to accomplish with the office, and he has spoken up about it and not been afraid of potential political. Blowback does that mean, it's going smoothly all the time? But certainly, I think I think you can there you can find plenty of examples where there's been controversy. But I think he clearly has has tried to stick to what he said. Chris palmer. Thank you so much for chatting field. But my pleasure. Thanks. Chris Palmer is a reporter for the Philadelphia Inquirer. That's the show. What next is hosted by me. Mary Harris, our supervising producer is Mary Wilson. Our senior producer is Jason delay on and our assistant producer is Anna Martin if you wanna find me during business hours, try Twitter, I'm at Mary's desk. Talk to you tomorrow.

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7.31.20 Culture Friday, The Outpost, and Listener Feedback

The World and Everything In It

30:19 min | 4 months ago

7.31.20 Culture Friday, The Outpost, and Listener Feedback

"World and everything ended is made possible by listeners like us. I'm Randy Calderon from crims eight. Virginia. And met the live event near Charlottesville and I know you'll enjoy today's program. Welcome to a special edition of our program. Today, we're recording live near Charlottesville Virginia in front of us, socially distance audience on the program today for Culture. Friday. A disgraced Christian comedian tries to make a comeback. Also, today Megan Basham reviews the outpost in Afghanistan war film based on the true story of a historic battle and listener feedback. It's Friday July thirty. First, this is the world and everything in it from listener supported world, radio. I'm Mary Record Don. Nickles. Now. The news here's can't Covington US economy plunged by a record shattering thirty, two point, nine percent annual rate, and last quarter ending in June that came as covert nineteen pushed many already hurting businesses to close for a second time that sent unemployment surging to nearly fifteen percent. PNC economist Gusts foce good news is that the number will be better in the third quarter and we will see the economy returned to growth but the level of economic activities can continue to be much lower than it was at the end of twenty, nineteen Republicans and Democrats continue to wrangle over another economic stimulus package to help individuals and employers. Saint Louis. County's top prosecutor announced Thursday that he will not charge the former police officer who fatally shot. Michael Brown in Ferguson Missouri. It was nearly six years ago that a grand jury declined to indict Darren. Wilson. The white police officer who shot Brown and eighteen year old black man. But prosecuting attorney, Wesley Bell, the county's first black prosecutor reinvestigated. The case over five months. Bell said his office conducted a review of witness statements, forensic reports and other evidence. But he concluded that the evidence simply did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Wilson committed a crime. Major League Baseball. IS ADJUSTING ITS CORONA. Virus Protocols as the virus continues to spread in big league clubhouses, world's Lee Jones has more. Another player for the Miami Marlins has reportedly tested positive for the virus bringing the total number of infected marlins, players to seventeen to coaches also tested positive, and now the Philadelphia phillies announced. Thursday that they're canceling a weekend series against the blue. Jays. After a coach and a staff member tested positive in response. Major. League baseball has announced changes among them. Teams will have to use surgical masks instead of cloth masks while traveling, they'll also have to travel with the compliance officer to help enforce the rules and the League is reportedly investigating in stadium behavior such as mask wearing and social distancing when possible, as well as the off field. Of players, coaches, and staff reporting for world I'm Lee Jones former GOP presidential candidate turned talk radio host. Herman Cain has died after contracting covid nineteen that despite doctors saying last weekend that he would likely recover. CAIN was the retired. CEO of the Godfather's pizza chain. When he mounted a strong challenge for the Republican nomination, eight years ago, this economy is on life support. That's why nine nine, nine, the bowl solution it kane heard there during a September two, thousand, twelve debate accusations of sexual harassment and infidelity which he denied. Let him to end his presidential bid early. Kane. Who once served as an associate minister at Antioch, Baptist Church in Atlanta beat stage four colon cancer in two, thousand six, he was seventy, four years old. President trump on Thursday suggested delaying the November third presidential election world's Anna. Joe Has that story. President Trump tweeted with universal mail in voting. Absentee voting, which is good. Twenty twenty will be the most inaccurate and fraudulent election in history, it will be a great embarrassment to the USA. He then asked delay the election until people can properly securely and safely vote. It was the first time. Trump publicly raised the idea of pushing back the vote. But shifting the election is virtually impossible. The date of the presidential election is enshrined in federal law. It's the Tuesday after the first Monday in November every fourth year, and it would require an act of Congress to change lawmakers in both parties. Slams the door shut on that notion Thursday. Reporting for world. I'm ANA. Johannesson. The biggest most sophisticated Mars rover ever built blasted off with the Red Planet Thursday four. To. Zero. Liftoff Nastase Perseverance Rover, Road Atlas Five rocket into a clear morning sky and the world's third and final Mars launch of the summer. China and the United Arab. Emirates got a head start last week. But all three missions should reach their destination in February after a journey of seven months and three hundred, million miles. The rover is a car sized vehicle bristling with cameras, microphones, drills, lasers. The launch was part of an ambitious long range project. Bring the first Martian rock samples back to Earth for analysis, NASA Administrator Jim. Breitenstein. One of those agencies, we do stunning things in good times, and in bad tax, we have a history of being able to do this. But there's a reason we call the robot perseverance because going to Mars is hard. It is always hard never been easy. Tony empowered. six-wheeled rover will drill down and collect tiny geological specimens that will be brought home about eleven years from now at an overall cost of more than eight billion dollars, NASA announced the launch, the start of humanity's first round trip to another planet. Can't. Covington, and straight ahead. Yala G Professor Katie McCoy joins US for Culture Friday plus your listener feedback. This is the world and everything in. It's Friday July thirty first twenty twenty. Glad to have you along for today's edition of the world and everything in it a warm. Welcome to those watching the broadcast live here in. Charlottesville Virginia I Megan Megan Bash on Mary Record and I'm nick eicher eight months after leaving the national spotlight due to a sexual scandal Christian comedian. Jon. crist returned last week on instagram. He delivered a personal statement will listen to a bit of it here as he talked about the process that's moving him toward what he called healing. How how? Hopeful, and encouraging. That was to be working around mental health and my recovery and healing, and have a bunch of people rooting for me and supported me. Mental world that he would go on to refer to some poor choices in his personal life decisions that caused hurt and embarrassment and consequences. I can look you in the eye he said and own that a little over a week. After he delivered his statement, he posted his first new comedy video. Well, it's culture Friday, and we're happy now to welcome Katie McCoy Assistant, professor of Theology and women's studies at Southwestern Seminary Katie. Thanks for being here. Always great to be with you guys. So to start out with, I want to explain that we don't bring up crest to dip into anything salacious. Obviously, that's not our intention here, but his statement does seem to illustrate some trends. We're seeing overall in how we talk within the Church about sin and really how we address it. So we just played that short clip that that was just a minute out of about four minutes total. Probably actually about thirty seconds. He repeatedly mentioned poor decisions in his personal life and how he blames no one. But himself, he confess to hypocrisy. But I want to mention what I didn't hear. I didn't hear the word sin I didn't hear repentance. So that language felt really more therapeutic to me. Now, you've viewed the video Katie, what did you see? Well. I think you're exactly right Meghan. He described how he had a problem needed to get some help. He talked about his mental health and healing a recovery process, and in on one side note, it's not really about the issue, but I think about people who actually do have struggles with mental health and healing and recovery process, and it's it's horribly unfair to somehow equate the two struggles between his choices and and those who carry that burden when he talks about fixing the broken pieces of himself and I, appreciate that he acknowledged his own hypocrisy. But this is a perfect example of how we have to recover the language of the Bible when we're talking about the Christian life. Life we have to have words like sin and repentance and holiness and sanctification. Now I appreciate that he made a statement I, can't imagine how difficult that would be But at the same time, he certainly could have been a speaking about this in terms of sin and repentance and life change, and frankly the way he was describing it was almost like he was a victim of his own skin like he was somehow this this passive participant who was sort of he's living the effects of his own choices. Instead of one who is actively making them, I can't judge his heart. And certainly, this is an opportunity for all of us to examine ourselves and where we have areas of our lives where we have just a little bit of repentance, a scripture describes the. So therefore a little bit of healing and so it was disappointing into here. But at the same time I, hope that perhaps it represents the beginning of some real life change and a genuine change in direction. Katie, this is Mary record-high. Hey, mayor, one of the things that bothers me about stories like this sometimes, not always, but sometimes, it's not about the power differential or the celebrity status or anything like that. Yet I hear this in social media, right? After Kris posted that video I heard a lot of criticism about the dynamics of abuse and how abusers operate, but adult women have agency too. Don't they I mean, they can be predatory and they may want to be seen with someone they perceive as having power celebrity. Am I off base here? Well, I don't know the specific situations of each of the women involved. So I really can't comment on that I. I will say based on what I read about the John Chris. Situation. He seemed to be very good at manipulating people and was very skilled at winning their trust using his platform in his personality to his advantage to gain the trust of women who Perhaps they wanted to learn something of his business they wanted to enjoy the benefits socially having a friend who was a celebrity but in terms of how he used that it's it's not exactly like Harvey. Weinstein? of saying that his advances meant the woman is to comply or else. She'll never work again in that industry or she'll end up having some deleterious consequences to her her job, her career. Very different type of power dynamic But then at the same time you know Mary, there's an aspect of it where certainly without negating personal agency of a woman and choices because this is part of what it means to be in the image. Of God, we have personal agency, we have moral culpability of our own i. think we need to also recognize how God created that dynamic of a man pursuing a woman and with sin comes the distortion of that and calms the manipulation of that and comes the corruption of that so. A man who might be showing some positive attention to a young woman. She's going. Oh, well, maybe this is something that is is a positive thing in my life only to find out that his motives are corrupt and that seems to be what what happened in. The case of of John Chris is that he had sexual addiction. He was using his platform in a way that gained the trust of young women and he manipulated it out of out of his own his own list. Well I. Guess. I just want to press a little more on this question. Maybe it's a question of how we define abuse. Katie, because you brought up mental illness and when we apply that to questions where we're not certain that there's a mental illness problem. I guess from my point of view, I go at what point do we delineate that something is sin? Perhaps one party is. More sinful in this, joint, act than the other party. But how do we define when it is abuse? That's a great question I would not say that I'm qualified to answer that that's something that I would have to myself. Consult Christian counselors certainly pastoral counselors, and even some sociologists to understand the full dynamics of that. My broad definition would be someone who takes any type of power dynamic and use it to their advantage to exploit the weakness of another person whether that is physical, emotional, spiritual, psychological, or mental and then certainly sexual as well. So in terms of. Is what John Chris David Abusive. I. Think I'd have to give that some thought. He certainly certainly took advantage of his platform in a way that was exploitative and what I read of one young woman in how she described a new friendship, it quickly became exploitative But again, this isn't the same thing that we can put this on par with some of these executives or media moguls who years their position to coerce women into sexual favours at the expense of their career. What you one more question a pastor. I know brought up church discipline not as punishment, but as a process now, we don't know whether that's going on out of the spotlight in this particular situation. But. It does seem like something that we've lost. It seems like something we don't talk about. Very frequently from a theological standpoint, do you feel like church discipline is something we need to recapture? Oh my goodness. Yes. In fact, it was the the Protestant reformation fathers. Who told US THAT THE SUBSTANCE OF CHURCHES? The word of God preached the ordinances, rightly administered and they I believe it was Calvin who coupled church discipline in that, and it is good. Godly Righteous Bitcoin church discipline that were missing from the Church today. I. Think you were alluding to this. It's never too to hurt. It's always to reconcile into to restore and with that the more the more openness that there as there's greater accountability there. There can be greater healing and then also it causes fear the good kind of holy awe and fear among the people of God be sure your sin will find you out. So confess it. Now, while it's hidden before it's exposed, these are things that we have to recover. We don't need another church program. We don't need another church conference. We simply need to be doing the very simple things of the word and that does include discipline. Katie. McCoy is Assistant Professor of theology in Women's studies at southwestern seminary, enjoyed talking with you always Katie, always great to be with you hugh. No one has any idea how much longer this corona virus new normal is going to go. But just as we're doing today with our live recording, fully compliant with local law, we are finding new ways to cope restaurants from Mexico City, to Montreal to Tokyo, figuring out how to put just a little social social distancing. Lifelike manikins seated at tables. Now, this fellow in Tokyo says it took some getting used to, but it's not that hard to imagine. Really. into stores and mannequins displaying clothing for sale. So why not instead of restaurants with chairs up on tables. So forbidding why not fill up half full establishments with stylish patrons cannot possibly make you said, is situated in money as diner in Montreal? Saying, it makes the atmosphere much more pleasant in Mexico City, instead of mannequins, one restaurant is placing giant teddy bears. It's the world and everything. Today is Friday July thirty first? Thank you for turning to World Radio I'm Mary Record and I'm nick anchor coming next on the world and everything in it, a Modern Day war film that has been getting a lot of buzz. But our reviewer, Megan. Basham, is here now to explain why the credits may be the best thing about it. President Karzai one American forces leave before the Afghan election. General McChrystal. Greece. You need to let them in. So we're not close Neapolis in July. It's correct. Guy Come. Sorry. Maybe. October. The good news is all receive extra thousand dollars a month. That's all. It's a little hard to understand what made outpost of the best reviewed releases of the last few months. Certainly, the Afghan War drama which hit streaming services on July third as the kind of pedigree that critics are inclined to praise. It's based on an exhaustively researched book by CNN. Newsman. Jake Tapper and it tells the Harrowing Story of how Fifty Three US soldiers face down more than four hundred Taliban fighters from the low ground in Nuristan. Beyond that naturally gripping setup, it also offers complex themes while it honors, Military Valor. It indicts policies of unending conflicts with ill-defined and mine's objectives. These it suggests are what put Bravo troop three, sixty, one CAV in such a dire position. As many different here. You cannot shoe. So active suspicious. suspicious. So where were the bullets coming from? Sir. You must p idea weapon or radio enemies hand. That comes straight from a crystal. Do you want your next tour to be eleven worth. Well someone should tell McChrystal that we're not here. Film obstacle, Sir. Says the force. Alienates the locals in Causes Greater, risk. You would aggress deaths in amid now. But even when we grip our seats at the tot action sequences or smile at the band of brothers come rotary, there's something hollow and disconnected about the whole. It's a strange experience to see such sacrifice on the part of our courageous young countrymen yet feel so little moved by it. Part of the problem is that the characters rotate out of the story, every few minutes killed or reassigned, but it's also that with a couple of notable exceptions those that remain often feel interchangeable, they have quick cliche markers of personality, the Wisecracker, the Mama's boy yet little distinguishes them. Take, one private? WHO's ostensibly a Christian? He speaks with the same unrelenting torrent of profanity and sexual innuendo. Every other character uses. So please mark the language here alone would merit and our rating even if it didn't come with realistic war violence. When he tries to prove to a fellow soldier. There's a deeper meaning in the terror they're experiencing. He's often only able to offer platitudes God was real. And these guys wounded trying to kill us every day Keating would still be around here. Guy Works mysterious voice. Yeah. So I guess God's plan is are chaos than. Well, this cultural faith that has so little to offer in the face of death might in itself offer some insight if followed to its ultimate futility, something say from ecclesiastes. But that doesn't seem to be director Rod lorries purpose here, every time he draws up to the cusp of mining something more profound from these real events, something more than the familiar beats, dozens of war movies that have come before of used, he then shifts to some other seen interaction there does eventually come a moment when viewers will find their hearts moved with empathy and gratitude. It's as the credits roll. Then tapper sits down with the men who came back from combat outpost. Keating. To tell us about the fallen. As, we see the faces of those who didn't make it home to friends and family. We finally recall these are not mere types. Their experiences were not trite. And I remember. As I as I walked the outpost. When the when the bottles over. The buildings were literally falling to the ground I would see. Black spots on the ground. There were darkest motor oil and then. The, flame. The light of the flames from the buildings would kind of eliminate it just enough for me to see that it was. a very deep color of red, and that's when I. Realize. This is where. This is where one of our soldiers died. Sergeant Christopher Griffin was real. So as private. First Class Kevin. Thomson. As brothers, jaws tremble trying to manfully restrained tears while remembering them. We remember these men we've never met to I. Don't know I read somewhere in the Bible he The the gates of Heaven and negates the hell are in the same spot. 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New Initiative Seeks to Bridge Prosecution Empathy Gap 2019-11-26

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New Initiative Seeks to Bridge Prosecution Empathy Gap 2019-11-26

"United States is the only country in the world that sentences juveniles to life without parole. We are not only paying the price for that in terms of the mass incarceration but also the numbers of young people who were pushed into that system. I'm Tansy Nevada and today on the takeaway for November twenty six look at the empathy gap between people behind bars and those in charge of sending them away also on the show. The big business of plastic manufacturing is taking a toll on public health in the United States. The industry I'll public officials officials feel like no one is going to speak out this open space for them to just come here and police on the godfather them pick my Langan. We start with an initiative aimed at getting more empathy into our criminal justice system. Let's get going this Monday. Roughly forty progressive prosecutors across the country signed a pledge to visit prisons jails jails and juvenile detention centers and committed to have their staffs make the visits as well in large part. The initiative is attempting to close a major empathy gap advocates say. Prosecutors should see in visit the facilities in which the people they incarcerate our help closing that empathy gap was also one of the goals of last month's justice votes twenty twenty presidential town hall attendees of the Town Hall were formerly incarcerated people their family members and others who have been directly affected by our criminal justice system but only three of the Democratic candidates actually showed up to the event Senators Cory Booker and Kamala Harris and billionaire Thomas Dyer tens of thousands thousands of stories of personal destruction that have been caused at the hands of a criminal justice system that is patently biased. Patently Racist I patently attacking the most vulnerable people in our country. And so you can't do that. Thirty thousand foot direct. What it goes on on the ground you have to start on the ground with the people most involved because otherwise you're not gonna get all that information and nuance you need to have fair policy? I have visited many prisons. I know what has been going on in the system which is why way back when I made a very conscious decision to become a prosecutor knowing how how broken and and how in just the criminal justice system of America can be presidential candidate Julio Castro also met with incarcerated individuals at a jail in Washington in DC last month also but while some candidates are focusing on criminal justice in their campaigns. A true overhaul of the system will also require the cooperation of prosecutors. Who played a role in shaping? The charges brought against defendants and the sentences that are ultimately mm Italy handed down with us now is just in juvenile a reporter for the Washington Post covering criminal justice issues and Miriam Krinsky the executive director at fair and just just prosecution the group leading this initiative Justin. Miriam Welcome to the show. Thanks wrapping some Mariam. You are a former. US Attorney what was your own record heard visiting prisons so I really didn't avail myself of of the opportunity and and found myself in the eighties nineties caught in that mindset that that didn't understand that humanity and that human face and the consequences of what we were doing and it was only years later here when I spent five years working on investigation of conditions in prisons and jails and spent quite a bit of time inside those prison walls. Dad Dad I started to come to understand the value and the need and really the obligation of prosecutors to make that kind of journey themselves and to give have a face to the consequences of the way decisions they make Mary. WH- you know WH- people who signed up for this initiative mainly progressive prosecutors and a lot of what we're talking about here is is Empathy or lack thereof for this population. Do you think that less progressive prosecutors more conservative prosecutors people who are perhaps a little more punitive might also be interested in agreeing to visit prisons and jails. I think so and I think that we're really at the cusp of the new normal in the field of prosecution where the views of communities that they've simply had enough with the tough on crime and failed. Practices of the past is is starting to take hold and where we are seeing more prosecutors around the country. I'm from parts Large and small from coast to coast And from both sides of the political divide rally around these sorts of principles and the notion that they have to take responsibility for the justice system and for the human consequences of the decisions that they make Justin. You've been covering this issue and I'm wondering We said there about forty prosecutors across the country who signed on to this initiative. But who are some of the the standouts for you in terms of the Wave this wave of prosecutors. Who are leading this charge? Well One when one gentleman who has gotten a lot of attention recently as Chesapeake Dean and San Francisco he was just elected As the prosecutor there Wesley Bell is is the Saint. Louis County Prosecutor He gained traction and got elected in the wake of the shooting out. There Michael Brown. There's the attorney general of Vermont Mont As Mariam Krinsky says there's a really a cross section of prosecutors from across the country from all regions. And you have major city prosecutors and and you also have some small town prosecutors as well. We're seeing Justin across the country prosecutors who want to change the status quo who were labeling here at least has more progressive are they really able to implement their agendas or are they facing resistance. Well they're able to implement their agendas in some cases but they're also facing resistance We've seen a particularly police unions Push back against some of these prosecutors The race I just mentioned in San Francisco Enciso Saw The police union out there dumped hundreds of thousands of dollars into the campaign to try to defeat booting their ultimately unsuccessful but but there is increasingly strident and strong pushback against these prosecutors and their policies A lot of police and a AH conservative folks feel that their policies will increase crime and make communities less safe just in twenty twenty presidential candidate Kamala Harris. Chris who herself is a former prosecutor has come under fire for that record And as Attorney General in California I wanNA play a little bit about what she had to say about why she chose to be a prosecutor over being defense attorney during the presidential debate in October. I made a decision to become a prosecutor for two reasons ends one. I've always wanted to protect people and keep them safe and second. I was born knowing about how this criminal criminal justice system in America has worked in a way that has been informed by racial bias. And I could tell you extensively about the experiences I and my family members of personally hand but I made a decision that if I was going to have the ability to reform the system I would try and do it from the inside and of course Kamala Harris Paris has come under criticism for her role as a prosecutor for more progressive voters of color in particular does what she say their mirror. A lot of of what progressive prosecutors today are saying that they want to try and change things from the inside. Yeah that's actually sort of the philosophy of it in fact a lot of the people that you see coming forward Lord to run as progressive prosecutors are former public defenders of former civil rights attorneys who have decided to forgo that line of work and actually redirect their energy towards You know winning these elections and trying to change the system from the inside. I mean the the idea is that the prosecutor is one of the most powerful actors in the criminal justice system. They have great latitude on sentencing. On what charges to pursue on whether to seek bail or do away with bill so they They the ideas that they can have a great influence over the criminal. Justice System in direct influence by taking these offices implementing more Progressive Policies Mariam for prosecutors who make a point of visiting prisons and jails Before this initiative took off or even now that at this initiative is is being signed off on. What are the tangible changes that you're looking to see in terms of how they do their work? I mean I guess you know a big part of the question is is this just a photo op to say we did it and We went in behind the gates. And we've seen what happened or is there really anything that prosecutors can get out of this That will change the way that they operate. I think there's a huge amount that they can get from it And I think you know as you described it at the outset. The notion of that empathy gap really acknowledges that there's no substitute for the human face and though seeing firsthand the consequences his of that decision to charge ought to charge to seek a mandatory minimum to put a young person Into the adult system. Really being able to have that human contact and also it's a manifestation. I think these visits of a revision of their role Taking on owning the responsibility incivility for the conditions inside the places where they send people starting to see the treatment that goes on for those who are struggling with substance Sushi or have medical problems understanding the life stories of individuals who have ended up making big mistakes but shouldn't be defined forever. Ever buy that worst mistake that they've made and also starting to own the notion that these are individuals who are coming back to our community and there's more that we have to be you doing to prepare them for reentry and to not put them on the never ending cycle in and out of the justice system too many of them find themselves on so so I think that there are a huge number of ways in which these visits can be impactful and start as well to break down the long standing culture in prosecutor's eaters offices that have led to some of the patterns that we've seen into the mass incarceration that so many of these new leaders seek to break down in terms of some of those patterns. I mean are you expecting perhaps to sentencing reform out of this. Where the idea is you know? We can't Incarcerate somebody for twenty years In cell sell that size. Are you looking to hope. That prosecutors might Advocate perhaps for more programming and rehabilitation services behind Prison Gates all of the above. And we've seen examples of that. We've Seen Stephanie Morales in Virginia. Start to advocate and create reentry reprogramming based on visits she's conducted. We've seen Dan SARREBOURG IN SEATTLE Advocate and take on the issue of needing to look for mechanisms for reviewing past decades long sentences based on what he saw and his recognition and understanding that individuals don't have to be thrown thrown away that pass choices that were made are not the choices for sentences we would make today and by virtue of that. There's a responsibility for prosecutors to go back and reopen those doors and return people to the community if they no longer need to be a sense to these facilities and kept there for decades on end Justin one of the things that's emerging in. This conversation is also the idea that some of these. These initiatives are bipartisan. At least in theory Are Are you seeing a shift in the way politicians talk about Sentencing mass incarceration. I mean we know. President trump signed the bipartisan. First step back into law Late last year yeah. There's actually been a real shift in the last several years. It's been a bipartisan shift. You've seen you know Republicans come on board with some criminal justice reform and they're making arguments for criminal justice reform from a conservative perspective. The cost of Incarcerating people and incarcerating people in the numbers that we do in the United States has skyrocketed and blown budgets so you see a lot of Republicans making arguments that we need to reduce the prison population and as a means of streamlining government budget so You know the first step acts in in other reforms that we've seen in recent years would not have come about if there wasn't a movement on both Oh sides the I'll just juvenile as a reporter for the Washington Post who covers criminal justice issues emir. Krinsky is the executive director at fair unjust US prosecution. Thank you both for joining us. Thank you on September. The Twenty eight th twenty sixteen in Townsville South Carolina. Fourteen year old. Jessie Osborne shot and killed. His father then drove to Townsville elementary school where he killed six year old Jacob Paul and wounded two other victims earlier this month Osborne. WHO's now seventeen was sentenced to juvenile to life without parole united? The United States is the only country in the world that sentences juveniles to life in prison United Nations human rights groups and many legal organizations including the American Bar Association nations have all called for an end to life without parole for children according to the ACLU there are approximately two thousand five hundred seventy inmates in the country who are currently serving life without parole sentences that they received as juveniles according to the Washington Post in the past two years. They've been h shootings at K.. Through twelve schools were underage. Gunmen killed someone. Which means that more sentences like Osbournes could soon be handed down joining me now to talk about juvenile life without parole sentences? Is Marshall Levick chief legal officer and CO founder of the Juvenile Law Center. Thanks for being with us. Marcia thank you the very complicated and The thorny issue to unpack. Let's talk about who is receiving these sentences. What's the demographic breakdown of juveniles? Who are they? The best stated that we have suggested probably about forty percent of them are men and women of color mostly African American while they're not a majority of the individuals who have received that sentence they are disproportionately represented which is what we see across our justice system given that and given the fact that we also know that there are biasi sentencing. Biopsies that show up in courtrooms when it comes to defendants of color is this conversation emerging now because many of the school shooters that we're seeing are white and male. I I want to say that issues about racism in the justice system aren't limited to sensing and I really think it's important for your listeners. To appreciate that it starts at the beginning so we do need to look at what happens if the arrests stage what happens at charging and ultimately what happens at sentencing sentencing. I think that the the concern about school shootings is also a complicated issue because as with each new school shooting I think it raises not only questions about our justice system and how we respond to them but obviously of course gun control so becomes a more complicated question but it certainly has been a piece of the motivation. I think for the very robust conversation. We're having about our justice system right now. Part of that conversation also involves criminal justice reform which we know how was essentially scuttled in nineteen ninety s Because of the Bill Clinton Crime Bill many of the programs that went into attempting to rehabilitate correct. Offender's behavior were disbanded in favor of more punitive measures. Is that part of the reason why this is emerging in the conversation conversation. Now absolutely yes And I think that we can look back now at what happened in the nineteen nineties. The perpetuation Shen at that time of the Super Predator miss something that led to the treatment of the Central Park five in the way that they were presumed guilty. And yes we are. We are not only paying the price for that. In terms of the mass incarceration but also the numbers of young people who were pushed into that system. We talk about the nature feature of a crime and how that plays into this. You mentioned that some of these were mandatory sentences which is something else? That's being discussed a lot when it comes to criminal justice reform but our courts and general less sympathetic when it comes to school shooters These are folks who generally you know are killing their child peers. In many instances we've seen shootings From elementary school through high school. Is there a sense that if it's not a mandatory sentence that that's that's part of what goes into deciding these life sentences for juvenile offenders. I think that we do have a history in this country of elevating elevating victims who are young people And certainly that includes the victims of school shooters There are many states across the country. That and post higher penalties realties where the victim is a child child sexual abuse for example. So I think that's a piece of it. We're in a difficult position with many school shootings because many of the school shooters are either killed or kill themselves so that in research terms the sample that we have is not ideal in trying to sort out what happens in those this cases and I do think that because mandatory sentencing was just abolish by the Supreme Court just about seven or eight years ago and really only made applicable bowl to all of the states in the country just a few years ago. We're still sorting out. How discretionary cents where that will lead in terms of how particular shooters with particular victims? How that will be addressed? I do want to add though that we certainly know from the death penalty of research that has been done in terms of capital sentencing. And I suspect that some of this will play out for life without parole for juvenile for children as well is that also the racist Jason Victim Matters and so while we may not see the gross disproportionality in terms of more than half for example of individuals on death ro being Men Or women of color if the victim is white that absolutely has been demonstrated to be a significant factor in sentencing. So that's something that we'll be looking for as well. We're having a conversation today on our show about empathy in the criminal justice system. and I wonder where you see. This headed this issue in particular headed in the future. If whether there's any upcoming cases or laws that could really overhaul life without parole and and really bring to to light the question of for example if someone is not sentenced to life without parole. What then do do we focus on rehabilitation or other? Some folks who are just. It's not able to be rehabilitated. I think we are seeing a shift in increasing willingness to try to hold those individuals accountable but in developmentally actually appropriate ways. And what I mean by that of course is recognizing that as teenagers adolescents. They are they are different from you and me. They're not adults. We really need to continue to ask ourselves. What is the goal of our justice system part of it is certainly public safety but it is also about rehabilitation the vast majority of individuals who go into into the justice system come home and when they come home we want them to come home in ways that they're prepared and that they're able to integrate back into their communities successfully successfully there will be some individuals who won't be able to do that and I think the Supreme Court left open the possibility that there will be particular killer? Teenagers are adolescent who overtime will simply never get to that point of demonstrating majority of showing rehabilitation and they may not get out out of prison. But I also think the court has made it clear that today in this country it is really incumbent upon us to provide opportunities for release. Marsha Lubbock is the chief legal officer in the CO founder of the Juvenile Law Center. Marsha thanks so much. Thank you from. Plastic bag bans two zero away. Cities Plastic is becoming more and more unpopular these days at least east for consumers for big oil companies. Plastic is an increasingly important source of profit and the expansion of fracking in the United States has paved the way for a renaissance in American plastics manufacturing petrochemical giants and companies like Shell and Exxon are investing tens of billions of dollars in plastics production infrastructure. As part of their strategy to ensure the fossil fuel market remains strong more than three hundred projects around the country are underway or newly completed but the communities. And he's living near those plants are suffering Sharon Levin the director of Rice Saint James an organization formed to fight a plastic plant in Louisiana testified right before the US House subcommittee on Environment and climate change last week and asked to representative for a moratorium on the oil gas and petrochemical industry in her parish. We spoke to Levine about how she got involved in the fight and what effect it's having on her community one day when I was in my classroom teaching my daughter called and told me that Mama. The governor is at Rosyth celebrating. He's approving a nine point. Four full billion dollar industry to coming to James Literally got sick in in my community is about eighty five percent black and most poor. I think the industry I'll public officials feel like no one is going to speak how they don't think anyone will rock the boat to me look like this open space for them to just come here and always enough because they know no one is. It's not knowing WHO's going to speak up and look the years that went by. No one spoke up. I never trained in the Megan years that I would be doing something like this. I don't think despite whenever Di di before I let them take my legs and my life in two thousand. Sixteen Levine was diagnosed diagnosed with autoimmune hepatitis. And in the spring of this year she found out she had aluminum in her body before this happened. I didn't know the chemicals from these. Plants were caught enough to be sick. I didn't know that I thought me getting older banks happening in your body. That's what I thought in my mind I. I never associated this the chemicals that they wouldn't meeting an air. I didn't know what kind of Kim of the meeting. I didn't know what they were doing. All I knew was industries. And James Levine. Isn't the only one in the area who's gotten in sick. She says many of her neighbors have suffered from the contaminated air and water as well. We have a funeral tomorrow. Good friend of mine. He died of cancer. My near will on both sides where I live. Both of them died of cancer so many people are dying so many people have asthma so many children have to go to the doctor. Turn my grandchildren when outside and they stay outside a long period of time the skin have rashes on it. They have sinus problems. They have breathing problems. My little grandchildren have to go to the doctor. Something is always something we zoe carpenter a contributing writer for the nation. Just how how widespread this problem is. One of the things I've found is that it's mostly communities and communities of color who are Hosting these types of polluting facilities Sali's so there's a real environmental justice problem with the plastics industry. A lot of these new facilities are being planned areas like Cancer Alley in Louisiana whereas its colloquially known and for decades. This is a stretch along the Mississippi River Between Baton Rouge New Orleans that has a incredibly high high concentration of petrochemical facilities and many residents have for years reported higher rates of cancer and other illnesses that they think are related to these facilities So this plastics boom is going to bring yet more of these facilities to areas. That already have serious air and water quality issues It's also going to affect new communities. What happens After plastic is produced. How does past plastic production affect Not just The environment but also communities that affects communities all along the chain of production. The pollution concerns range from the very local to the global. All stories like the one we just heard in Louisiana show just how dangerous it can be to live in direct proximity to a plastics manufacturer but the range of negative health outcomes extends is far beyond any single location. You have communities that live near wellheads so around fracking operations that bear the brunt of pollution from those operations and then you have communities who live near the refining facilities and the cracker facilities who are then subject to air pollution from those facilities and then you have of the communities that live further down the chain who have the actual plastic waste or the incinerators. That burn plastic waste in their communities. So one of the things that I was interested in in my reporting our plans to create What would essentially be a brand new petrochemical corridor along the Ohio River Valley in Ohio Pennsylvania Vania and West Virginia? So not only. Is this pasta expansion going to affect areas that already bear a heavy burden of industry. But it's going to bring those same problems potentially essentially to new parts of the country. What role if any has congress played in all of this? Have they taken any action so far to protect communities living near these plants it currently the momentum at the federal level is pretty pro this plastics expansion in particular some members of Congress from from that Ohio River valley region and members of the trump administration are very supportive of bringing new plastics facilities to the area because they see it as a source of economic growth and aren't concerned about the environmental implications. Well then a lot of these Conversations are also framed around the debate about jobs and and resources. Can you talk a little bit about how plastic production is being talked about in regards to that debate in places like Ohio and Pennsylvania. I mean these are states they have seen a gutting of their manufacturing bases is it being positioned as as a job generator. Yes absolutely and the petrochemical industry itself Uses that and a lot of its talking points when it speaks about this new renaissance. And it's true that many of these areas where the plastics expansion is happening are economically struggling areas But many people have pointed out to me and my reporting that This is really the the same old story you where these places have always been in the grip of the boom and bust cycle that follows extractive industries whether it was coal or steel or or oil that has never ever been particularly secure economic future as we've seen With the booms and busts over over decades people are talking talking about not using plastics wchs including everything from plastic straws to single use plastics to no longer using plastic water bottles and disposable plastics. Aren't these companies going against the trend. I mean how is it that they're investing when the consumer trends at least in some parts of the country seemed to be pointing in the opposite direction. Well Oh I think. Consumer trends and public awareness are a bit different and it is true that I think there's more awareness of the need to stop using single use plastics. But that doesn't mean that People are able to do that on a scale. Big enough to actually chain should change the system at this point. I think the industry is fighting a lot of the local efforts to stop the use of single use positive bags for example And and so. I think there's a big power. A symmetry here between gene. The money in the political clout that industry has An individual consumer actions on the other hand and and so I think what activists who are working on this issue want is for the industry to have to take more responsibility for its product. So whether that's by some kind of fear tax that would then help pay for the cleanup and the the cost of recycling whether that's bans on single use plastics. There are a lot of ways to approach that But the fact of the matter is that right now only about nine percent of plastic gets recycled at best and so we have a problem both with the production of single use plastics. And with the fact that even recyclable plastics Aren't getting recycled so it's it's a pretty huge huge. Systemic problem with the industry would like to think Ken Be tackled by all of us doing a better job cleaning up our trash and so that's part of what you said earlier with their marketing thing pitches right to consumers whereas we should be Recycling can you tell us a little bit more about that you know. We've seen a lot of attention even from the industry on trash trash pickup and recycling. And they'd like us to focus on that and ignore the fact that would they're doing is pumping a lot more plastic into a system. Already can't can't keep up with the amount that's in the environment but the fact is recycling is not economically viable in many places including in the US Most of our plastic waste historically was shipped. China China no longer accepts that and so the. US itself has an A huge problem with products not getting recycled so recycling right now is not really viable option to fix this problem and so I think what many activists and academics and others who are working on this would like to see is curtailing production itself and and then of course increasing the recycling capacity but the metaphor. I uses that it focusing just on recycling trying to bail out a bathtub with a teaspoon while the tap is on full blast. There's just too much plastic being produced so Zoey. Is there any cause for optimism here. Is there any movement towards solutions. Well I think Awareness public awareness is good news and there are lots of local efforts underway in the US and elsewhere. I think what we're seeing now from the Grassroots levels really interesting where communities that previously fought somewhat disparate struggles against various aspects of the supply chain Have now united in the break from plastics movement and in other efforts and they're linking these struggles around the globe from communities who are trying hi to protect themselves from The local pollution from fracking to Communities of recyclers living overseas They now see themselves. Houses part of one movement. That's trying to Stop this problem of plastic waste And so I think that that is the good news that there is this somewhat somewhat knew and Rapidly growing movement to raise awareness and Change Policy Zoe. Carpenter is a contributing writer for the nation. Zoey thanks so much. Thank you for having me. And that's our show for today. If you have any thoughts for us you can give us a call at eight seven seven eight my take or you can reach us on twitter at the takeaway. 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Harris Makes History

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Harris Makes History

"Hi Hi. Sorry to keep you. That's all right. You ready to go to work. And so the word. From. Hello welcome to powerhouse politics. So maybe chief White House correspondent, Jonathan Karl and I'm ABC News Political Director Rick Line reclined this day. This is the day we see Joe Biden Kamla Harris together. History made in this choice of a running mate obviously. Also as historic and Pearl you can give for this also something that I think both you and I thought was going to happen for like the past three months, not not not that I'm trying to say we nailed this but. We did. Yeah, we did. We did. We did. It's I can't remember another time where the totally predictable totally obvious. Of course, it was going to be choice is also the historic choice the landmark, the first African American first black woman on a ticket first asian-american woman on a ticket and obviously her background her story is being well told out there and is is valuable for Joe Biden but it just made so much sense almost too much sense from the start and the Biden camp. Would appear landed exactly it would started. So we. Were talking about this I? Who Do we talk to WHO? Who could we reach out to to help us? Show some light into what this pick means. And where we go with the race, who better rick, what would be your top choice if we were to reach out to somebody right if I don't say who our guest is I'm GonNa look like I'm insulting. So we don't want to do that. We want to do that but we should find someone that really knows the process knows the system knows the players knows those what's going on behind the scenes? Well, why don't we try with JEN? Psaki let's do it can do this. Former White House communications director of one of the absolute I players on the Obama campaign was right there when Obama made the decision to tap a Joe Biden as his running mate. Jen. PSAKI. Thank you for joining us on power as politics. Great to be here. Great to be here, and if you're going to someone else or I wouldn't have taken it personally, I'm pretty tough after having been in this business. So I. One thing that strikes me about this is. Look. We we thought back in March after it was clear that. Biden was well on his way to getting the nomination. Did, as he looks for a running mate, commonly, Harris would be at the top of the list. But you know he went through this process he made it clear. He was gonNA choose a woman he made it clear that he had a several women of color that were on the list, and in going through this process, we learn a hell of a lot about some extremely well-qualified. Potential running mates. Like Val demings Kishan Lance Bottoms Susan Rice somebody we had known quite well but in in a very different context. you know Governor Grisham? Karen Bass all people that were public figures to be sure but but but we're now seeing. And In a much more. We got to know them much better through this process at it seems that in addition to choosing the the candidate who? I think a lot of us would have thought he would ultimately have chosen. He also managed to introduce the American public in a serious way to a whole range of a potential next generation of Democratic leaders. That's true and you know even though all of those people weren't the choice for his running mate as we know, we're going to see them again. Right? It may be that they some of the people who that you mentioned. Will be members of Biden Cabinet if he wins maybe some of them Karen Bass certainly could be a high level potential to run for a Comma Harris's seat. So we're going to hear these names again and again I think and he really whether it was purposeful or not. As you said, kind of introduced a lot of them to the American public I mean. It's also remarkable and you touched on this that we're at a point where the safe choice which I think it was the safe choice to was a is the first African American woman to be on a ticket right? I mean that's where the Democratic Party is right now, and that's probably where it's going. So a lot of those players that you named I think are. You know we're the parties headed frankly more than probably a model of. would be and and you know the thing about the speaking the historic choice which frankly we. Did say in could have said about Sarah Palin being historic choice for for John McCain on unlike Sarah Palin who who had been governor of Alaska for you know for for for you know for a blink of the eye. Kamla Harris reason why she's the safe pick in some ways is this is somebody who's won statewide multiple times in the state of California She's been a you know district attorney. For what six years in? San Francisco Attorney General for for the State of California for for about the same length of time senator from California me this is somebody brings. A serious resume to the job of vice-president. I i. have no doubt that Kamla Harris can name several newspapers she reads. Works digital versions of it shall we say and I think she is she's a known entity right I. mean she is somebody who has been a rising star in the Democratic Party for more than a decade She somebody who has kinda been mapping her way through the system in California and even though she wasn't a successful presidential candidate, she also kind of dropped out at a strategically wise moment right? Because there was nobody who voted against her, she was able to align herself. She dropped out in December just to remind everyone and and she kind of preserved herself in that way. So she's a I think she's been kind of ripe for this moment. As you said, we all thought it was gonna be her several months ago. We went through this journey where we flirted with all sorts of different up possible running mates possible options Joe Biden also has known her a long time. You know her relationship with Bo Biden, his son who had passed away a couple of years ago was deep and goes. Back. She was also a big campaigner for Obama, the Obama Biden ticket back in the day and he somebody who goes with his gut right? They had lots of conversations in the past and they probably had some good ones recently but the fact that came back full circle to her isn't a huge surprise. I don't think it should feel a huge surprise in they know each other well as you mentioned We also remember the moment and it's capital t capital the moment at the debate the first debate, where isn't it? The only moment? We all really remember. Any. Case, you forgot we're GONNA, play it right now we want we. WanNa win ask you about it. Do you. Today. Do you agree today? that. You were wrong to oppose busing in America. They'll do you agree. I. Did not oppose busing in America. What I opposed is bussing ordered by the Department of Education. That's what I opposed did not a fancier a states to into knowing schools in America you know there was a little girl in California. Who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bused to school every day And that little girl was me. Now that was a clinic that was a haymaker that was a planned attack that was launched by cholera. She knew exactly what she was doing and the clear implication at the time and even with fourteen months remove was. Joe. You're kind of old out of touch you don't get race in America. What are you did? This is not a surprise for the Kim Joe Biden remembers that better than anyone it's come up. So repeatedly APP but what do you do from a communications perspective with that moment when you had the woman who is now the running mate pointing out a very obvious vulnerability of the man of the top of the ticket will one. I think she needs a better answer than the one that she gave. I think shoot during interview with Stephen Colbert, where she sort of fumbled through it and she'll have that opportunity clearly but I think it needs to be she needs to be validated or for Joe Biden now right has Joe Biden always historically had the best most progressive record on race issues. No, he hasn't has. He does she feel confident he has. Grown, and he has a somebody who is listening and wants to do the right thing. If I hope she feels that way otherwise, she shouldn't have accepted the role, but that's how I think. She could address it moving forward. There's no question at the time I remember this. Well, it was like a gobsmack for Joe Biden and the people around him because it felt harsh right to them. Now, if you separate yourself from the personal side of that, it also showed that she's a very effective attack dog does not only did she attack in she did it in a way where she received her bio N. and if you're in the Fight of your life, the race of your life, you're trying to win the presidency. You want the people who are affected at that WHO can do that to Donald Trump and I think they've kind of separated the wise people there including Joe Biden themselves from the personal feeling at the moment and recognized how effective she is at that at the same time, she has to have a better answer for why she feels comfortable being the running mate with someone who she said that about a year ago. And I want to ask you about what we can learn about the Biden team from this process. Yeah I love veepstakes and and. I remember who I was. I. Think I. Remember exactly where I was just about every vice presidential pick going back twenty five years now why? We're like like where I was like I, remember where I was nine eleven. Kind of clarity and I remember in two thousand eight. The way that I found out that was picked by Barack. Obama is my cell phone went off at like three in the morning and you know your your team with this is obviously a technologically a much different Arab your team sent out the word and a lot of America woke up in the middle of the night to it, and it was after hours of leaks and scrambles. WHO's in WHO's out all sorts of twitter? This was three twitter exactly. This was the cleanest rollout of the modern era in my mind in terms of the Biden team holding onto this and again even. Keeping Element of surprise even if it was the totally predictable choices that tell you, what does that tell you about what a Biden White House would look like? They have been knocked around a lot for whether they have a good operation whether they're gonNA communications whether they're good at aligning with groups but this should give people some confidence because as you've kind of highlighted here, it is really hard to keep this a secret and to do an effective rollout while at the secret of the biggest news that any presidential candidate. Has and they did that well and did it in a way whereas you said it was a surprise but you know people felt excited about it. There were stories that followed statements that followed they haven't event today. So they get two days of coverage. It's really hard to break through the trump show I don't have to tell you guys you live at every day. and. They're going to effectively do that. So people should feel pretty good about that. They've also done something smart I mean what people you know from having lived a few times when you're going through the transition of bringing a vice presidential running mate along it is like a two divorced people marrying each other who have kids and you have to merge the families you know I mean it is hard and you have to come quickly get the vice presidential candidate and their team up to speed and make sure you feel that trust alignment. Is like in place quickly, they have put a number of people on her team and we waited no, it was her before they announce this who are very close to lighten. The Knicks, its former Joe Biden's former chief of staff was Allen Who's going to be director that means there's going to be a limit she'll bring in her own people but that felt like a good sign from watching kind of their their chain of announcements. Yesterday to next week is going to be a big test because it's kind of her they. It's the convention. She'll have a primetime speech. It will be her opportunity to introduce herself to the public reintroduce yourself to the public and hopefully address in her words some of these concerns about her lawn for her background as a prosecutor that some people in the party on are. Going to keep poking into, it is always interesting in in the veepstakes when the when the when the running mate is chosen, there is that landing team already put in place. You already know who the press secretary is going to be already know who's going to be the top staffers for the VP and those are chosen not by the running mate but shows. Yeah. Yeah absolutely. So Buildings that we were talking about shortly after this pick was announced is. The issue of Donald Trump's donations donald trump donated a total of six thousand dollars, Tacoma Harris campaigns for attorney general in California. and. By the way we know trump's given a lot of money across over the years but but but what was especially awkward about this was the timing. The donations were in two thousand eleven and two thousand thirteen. After two thousand, ten dollars trumpet basically stopped giving money to Democrats. Few exceptions here and there but but all those big donations they Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi and those are all before this by two thousand and eleven, I think you may remember he was running around the country trying to tell people that Barack Obama's and the citizen and right states right? In. The middle of the birtherism stack, he was a radioactive to Democrats and he was fully in with the far right of the Republicans at this point. So. I don't know it's a it's a strange one to me. First of all it's awkward for trump to explain why if Harris is so extreme why he was supporting our campaign but I. Mean it's a little awkward why? which he accepted this money she she it should be said, she did return it but returned it not until two thousand fifteen when trump was running for president. So I mean after she had won reelection. So she didn't return this money in real time didn't return until years later what what, what do you make of all that? You know it's a good question. I'm sure she'll be asked about it. My suspicion not to take the blame off of her personally. But sometimes stuff like that is decided at staff level as you know, and they may not have made all of the connections that should have been made I'm sure we'll learn more about that because that's a good question to ask but but you know I, I don't know it seems unlikely. They were going through with her personally all of the donations and asking her whether she should return them but I guess we'll learn more I. Mean I think it is a reflection of the fact that it's hard for trump and others we saw this. From the RNC yesterday to figure out how exactly to go after her right I mean they on one hand? Are She was? She's the most liberal member of the of the Democratic Party on the other hand she's she's upsetting liberals you Kinda can't be both So it it'll be interesting to see to get their act together and determining what their line of attack is or how much they care about it. Right? Well, Jen. PSAKI. Thank you for joining us on powerhouse politics. We always enjoy talking to you a wreck. We've got to take a quick break. We'll be back with part two of powerhouse. Politics. And welcome to powerhouse politics we are joined now by Vet Simpson Chief Executive of Democracy for America, of course, an ABC news contributor. So tell me. What do you make of the pick? You know I have so many emotions right now it has been quite a whirlwind of the last twenty four hours or so you know I represent a progressive organizations so Kamala Harris would not have been our first or second choice at least when it comes to progressive policy. That would have been probably Elizabeth Warren Stacey maybe Karen. Bass. Would have been progressive choice blood. As you know, progressive's are rooted in representative democracy were excited about the nature of the pig. We think she makes a lot of sense super excited. Particularly African American woman who leads a progressive organization is committed to racial justice and having her be the pick everything we can work with her I. Mean She was a defame. Candidate in a run for Senate in. So we have some history with her work with before and so excited recited the is behind us we're ready to get to work. So explain given short the what the progressive concerns have been about about Harris. I mean, obviously, she was a district attorney in San Francisco Attorney General. So he was a prosecutor she spent more than a decade as a prosecutor in California what what would have been? Why would she not have been the first second or maybe even the third choice in the primary? So there's a couple of things I mean wine. You know certainly here, criminal justice passed a challenge in criminal justice reform is a major platform for progressives. Especially when you think about the amount of attention, we're paying that right now with George flurries, murder retail murder, and the list goes on what's happening in our country right now she was considered a progressive prosecutor for her time but not based on today's standards. There were some concerns about issues around her prosecuting marijuana. Offenses back. When she was certainly a DA in g concerns about some things that she said on the campaign trail when she was running about being tough on crime about criminalizing on nonviolent offenders that a lot of folks are really concerned about So the list goes on with that I think today what she's been able to do, and I talked a little bit about this on several occasions is kind of thread Benito here to say I wasn't his progressive back then but by speech standards back then I was pretty aggressive. You know she's known for Pretty Progressive. Kind reformer things that she did back then but today look at me now and she's been. Among the most outspoken particular last few months around George flowing certainly Brianna Taylor and I think what she can and will say is that I'm in the best position to talk about how policing these to be reformed because I've been there before and maybe I didn't feel as powered or as knowledgeable about how to do that then but I know how to do that now. I can. I can tell you. Bad criminal justice reform advocates progressives are going to be calling on her to do that. When she cites president the second thing is health care She was an original supportive Medicare for all You know that Bernie Sanders put forward and then when she got on the campaign children for President Xi backtracked and there were concerns about her being responsive to you know. Private interest, particularly insurance companies and others that might have been appealing to her. To change her mind and so there was a real concern about her shift on mind. So those are the two policy issues that I think progressives are most concerned about with her if it think it thinking about the criminal justice of I was struck one of the crystal crystalize memories of the campaign to me was when. Our friend and colleague Lindsay. Davis specifically why at one of the debates y when she was in a position of power she wasn't able to do more and I didn't she didn't have a great answer at the time when you had the power, why didn't you try to affect change? Always been. There have been I'm glad you asked me this question and there have been many distortions of my record. Let me be very clear. I made a decision to become a prosecutor for two reasons. One I've always wanted to protect people and keep them safe and second I was born knowing about how this criminal justice system in America has worked in a way that has been informed by racial bias. I'm interested in your take on. Is it okay for her to say? Look I've I've found religion on this I've evolved on this as the party's evolved How how much do you? Your members feel like no. You have to hold someone to account for what they actually did in office not what they're saying when they're trying to get into another office I. Think There's grace there. We always try to give folks grace to to grow and here's the thing I wish she had just right at the beginning of the campaign just handled it. Then, right. Here's what my history was. Here's why I was in the position I have to do it this way. Here's what we know now about the ability to really reform policing back. Then the way that we know criminal justice reform stated really exist if you were in the position of prosecutor, you aren't even empowered to take on the police union to make. Real changes at that time, and so I give I personally give her a little bit of grace as a lawyer myself not a prosecutor to understand how challenging it was could have been for her, and also there's that juxtaposition she said on many occasions she got into the prosecutor's office because she wanted to change the system from the inside anybody who's ever. Tried to change system inside. No knows how hard that is. She was also responsible for California, at a time were gang violence was a big deal. She was probably in this she was probably torn between I've gotTa Find Justice for people who have been hurt harmed violence system but also find grace for the black and Brown people who are subject to. The inequity of the system and that might have been a tough thing for her to do out in the role at the time that she was serving in that role when there wasn't a huge, you know we know what we know. We do a lot more about the system can do and should not be doing in the wasted impacts people. Now and the ways that people in a prosecutor role. Now you think about the Wesley Bell She's about Him Fox you think about Larry Krassner. You think about Rachel Rollins, folks who have been able to go into the system and really shifted from the inside that didn't exist in that form back when she was in that role. So that would be the way that I. Think. She can start to have that conversation with progresses and say, now I'm in a position to really change the system I know it and I want to be able to change it. Let's look at the top of the ticket for a moment because he. Wasn't your second or third choice for for vp I think it's fair to say Joe Biden wasn't your tenth eleventh or twelfth choice for president. And Yeah I mean he's talking criminal justice issues. He's he was he was the author of the ninety four crime. And he he's never he's never come close to Medicare for all as as as a policy position. How how much? What's the single that you get out of this pick of Comma Harris when not only does he not embrace the Progressive Physicians of Twenty Twenty I'm not of not nice ninety four, two, thousand, twenty progressive positions. He's not going there to not choose a running mate who? Who embodies those those positions either is there a special burden on him and what does he still have to prove? You know I think a couple things one progresses are. Really comfortable in the position of like advocating and pushing from the outside because we understand that progressive change doesn't come easy. You know they're the establishment exists for a reason they are the establishment. And you know in in an election like this one, the real challenges we've got to take trump out and as much as progressives want all the things that we desire. Indeed the things we desire in the middle of a pandemic, we need healthcare we need reform on income inequality right now, we need fair wages, all these things that we fight for our really really heightened during the pandemic but we also understand that we've got be trump and when the voters chose Joe. Biden. Overwhelmingly we had an expectation the he would not choose a progressive because he he's you know we're talking about in being in a position of fear. He's really worried about going too far because of what? Trump might do he's worried about upsetting certain people within the party. So I think there was an expectation that he probably wouldn't choose someone super progressive, and even if he did, how much would they clash and would that person be able to get through Right Lakes Picking Elizabeth Warren of Elizabeth Warren was his choice how much are does she really got to be able to pull him to getting She gotta be running up against a brick wall and think the thing with communism communism is known to US Juno. Her as she is considered has been considered a progressive in the past despite the things that we talked about. There's also this expectation that she really is gonNA listen that. She she may be able to buck the system a bit like a she gets her arms around something a really wants to do it. She may actually go out and do that need to be able to bring Joe along the challenge of Joe Biden is he's not been as receptive to messages from the outside. He's really kind of been been challenged in hearing about the the you know his previous history you might remember even at the debate when Coppola Harris talked to him about his you know segregationists, coddling all the issues around a bussing. He didn't really hear that we believe the Comma Harris would be more likely to be responsive to the progressive viewpoint and may be. Willing to push him along and that is the the expectation in the whole. But yeah, I think with certainly progressive were concerned with Joe Biden in the Kama Harris Position Meant, oh no, he's not ready to go there a hundred percent. He's really not truly unifying us in a way of being open to pushing for progressive agenda in his next four years sue. So finally won one last question the big picture of the race right now it looks very good for Democrats looks pretty grim on the trump side in terms of the national polls in terms of the polls in. I. Believe every single swing state right now five, thirty, eight put out there the starting their election forecast. And had a seventy seventy one percent chance of a Biden win twenty, nine percent chance of a trump win and our franklin soup casually joins us on this podcast pointed out that is almost exactly. We're fivethirtyeight had Hillary Clinton Donald Trump race on election day that was going into. Voting so that we were going. So so what I'm what I'm wondering is. As you as you look at the race. How confident are you? Did did Biden Harris will will beats. Trump pence, and what do you think is the risk? How would they blow it? I would they bless? I think the first thing is relying too much on Poles. So I always say when you're inside one hundred days, it's not about polling. It's about planning. What are you building? What we know is that this year is unique because Democrats won't be able to engage the way. We traditionally do to order door out at events in person that's kind of. Our jammed progressives in particular grassroots organizing getting boots on the ground we can't do it that way we know that we're gonNA come up against significant voter suppression in key states right many of which are run by Republican Secretary of State's. We know we're going to run up against a lot of lawsuits from the Republican Party about the validity of ballots we. Know that we're not in an ideal situation to allow people to be able to vote. We have some of these states where very few people have voted by mail before, and so even just the lift on voter education about how to complete these ballots different standards in each state about how you get about in how you return and track a ballad. You can even track a ballot and so these numbers for years ago weren't good enough. I'm really really worried about how what these numbers mean with all of that in mind in. So what I don't want Democrats or Joe Biden or accomplish to do is get complacent. We do not have this thing in the bag you guys know out from Ohio Clinton was winning in Ohio by nine point two weeks out from the election and Boston. Ohio. by the point seventeen point swing, and that was not in the midst of Covid that was not in the midst of voter suppression. The way we're seeing it now, we haven't talked about foreign interference. It certainly was not in the midst of. The challenges we're GONNA have with a different way of people voting in pandemic instead just want to remind folks polling his good polls don't vote. They don't always pan out and we got a lot to contend with. So let's get to the work of actually planning doing the work getting voters excited I will say since the announcement yesterday I have seen a lot more excitement than I've ever seen and so I'm seeing black women who I believe the are the backbone of the Democratic Party. Natural, mobilisers, natural holders of community. They bring a lot of voters with getting excited, and if we can engage them and others typically get people out to vote and do the swap and got it. I think we've got a shot. All right. Well, eighty nine days by my count to go into election. Day. Vet. Simpson. Thank you for joining us on powerhouse politics recline and our entire powerhouse politics seem thank you for listening. We will be back next week if not sooner. Thanks for listening.

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 235  QFTA

The Tim McKernan Show

1:32:37 hr | 1 year ago

The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 235 QFTA

"Yes. Yes, welcome in to the Tim occuren- show on the inside of steel podcast network from the home loan expert dot com studios. It's questions from the audience day. Oh my goodness. All deep tease this. If you're listening to this. Let's see what do we have here. Nurse between June nineteenth and June twenty third, my deep teases, the interview coming up with Cam Jansen and read low, and I've got people who are so excited about the interview that they're mad at me and gangster Pete. I guess me for not releasing it sooner. But here's the deal and I'll explain it. I'll explain explain Mary's my answer is no. And here's my reasoning. Don Corleone Marlon Brando. This is what we've tried to do since we started the thing, which I think, is important, I would tell anybody starting a podcast to do this. We want to make sure that the audience can count on content. Every week. And so, you know, on Sunday night, Monday morning. We're gonna have a new interview up, which is set a bar that, if I could go back in September two thousand seventeen before we started this, I would not have done that because it is tough to continue to do it and questions from the audience, every Wednesday enduring college football in the NFL season, pick six where we had the weather man from Ohio, Iowa just absolutely killing it for us. And that'll start up here in a couple of months. So we absolutely play Cam and read thing, but we want to have a consistency with when we released the content and I get it, listen, you should be excited about it. It's, it's, it's worth it. I don't think it's going to let you down. I'm very careful that not over hype things that I don't think in live up to the high, but I think you're gonna love it. But the that's the schedule that we've run and, and candidly, because we keep trying to make sure that we have something new for every Sunday slash Monday. And we don't have anything else in the can that is our Sunday slash Monday. And I don't want her to speak, getting people on just to check off box. Okay. We got one. We want to continue to try to. Deliver the caliber of guests that for the most part for nearly one hundred weeks we've done. So that's the reasoning I understand, just know the come Sunday, you're gonna be able to listen to it. And I think you're gonna love it. In the meantime, in. We got plenty of other interviews. Go back, here's here's a little protest. Go back and listen to or when he was on or to chase when he was on in, it'll get you fired up now. This is well before the twenty eighteen nineteen season. But the passion that they talk about for the cop and for the game and for the Saint Louis blues that will get you fired up. And then, you know, yet Kaman read coming up on Sunday, and I know that Iggy is working on all kinds of blues related guests so we might be doing that. I know we're trying to get Stillman and Baru be O'Reilly trans low and who knows who else. So that's coming your way. So no that there's your deep tease the home loan expert dot com studios is where we are Mark Hanna of evergreen wealth strategies a wonderful sponsor of this program. Got this Email from a from a listener. I love it because I know. That these things go on, but most times, and I understand it. I don't expect people to like, not only support the sponsor than an Email me about the great experiences but just so happens. I got this who I'm recording this on Wednesday. So I receive this on Tuesday, top of the Mornington, I've been a long time listener the show, going back to the morning grind days in recently or podcast. I've enjoyed the show more than I care to admit, you've always been good about keeping the content fresh lead in the audience wanting more tribute to Jason Barrett. I fall into Thirty-seven-year-old demographic reference purposes. I don't get emails. 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But the bottom line is the sponsors make this thing possible supporting the sponsors is the name of the game. Ryan Kelly, the home loan expert dot com. Marquette, evergreen wealth strategies online at evergreen S T, L dot com. Or you can give him a call at three one four eight eight nine zero five zero three three one four eight eight nine zero five zero three we're going line, evergreen ST, L dot com or cana-, evergreen wealth, drives. We got a bunch of questions for questions and the audience. All right. As I'm perfect ten thirty I can't forget that. So I'll try not to like go into like some two hour long thing here, and I don't know running into the spot where I want to make sure that I don't repeat them so against pay attention to see if I get this one a lot, I don't really have a strong feeling which is a terrible way to start because you want to start out strong, but I am I'm just going through in chronological order. This is an Email good evening, Tim. As I sit here watching the replay game seven, I have to wonder the financial impact of this magical run. I would have to think that the city state local businesses, and of course, the blues greatly benefited from the long running success with their van anyone who could quantify, the run, perhaps podcast guest. Thanks. And let's go blues, Chuck. I understand the question. I think it's a good question. I really do. I think the idea of a guest for it. I think would be casting a small net narrow net. I don't think it would be that I don't think it's it's worthy of a whole podcast. I think it'd be worthy of me like emailing with somebody, and then saying, I spoke with so and so, and they said this, and then kind of give you the information and then then moving on, but I have gotten a number of those or I think the one that maybe a lot of you are thinking right now because I've gotten even more of these is, where are the older women all their men who were complaining about, you know, welfare for millionaires or billionaires when, you know, the enterprise centre or MLS stadium issues were. At the forefront, Saint Louis city politics, you know, like like this shows them and I understand that I don't think it's I get that. But I don't think it's the I don't think it's that simple. Because the reality is, they're elected by their constituents, and a lot of their constituents feel that way. And so the representing their constituents and the city of Saint Louis, not flush with cash. And so if you're picking and choosing making sure that trashes getting picked up versus giving money to a professional sports team. While we or me or you might not like that. I have I have an understanding of it. I will say this though. I guess I if you want to call it on the other side, it's really not a side. It's just my honest opinion in it might be really uninformed. I feel like which isn't good. But I guess that's how politics are being done right now is feelings, but I feel like some of the politicians who push back against the blues or against the MLS, how much pushback, there's been on the cardinals recently now because it's the cardinal, but just got Arnold haven't really done anything twenty years ago, it would have been against the cardinals with the ballpark village in new ballpark thing I feel like some of it is, we don't like the idea of helping out millionaires period and then viewing it through that lens, which I disagree with. Because I don't think that that's, that's a way just just as I said, I get why there is some pushback because you have a city that is not flush with cash or losing money, depending on however you wanna. Lay it out, and you have constituents who have zero interest in the NHL or Major League Soccer and going, you're going to go vote. Yes, for that, when you know that we can't get trash picked up, which goes on in the city, which might seem foreign if you're living outside of, you know, certain wards. So I I understand. I truly do understand both sides of at any time. It gets personal though. I, I have a problem with it. I don't know that it's personal, but I sense at times that it is personal. And I don't support that. Because I think there's a way and you listen to some people, no matter what aren't going to listen and it doesn't matter which side, you're coming from because they're gonna get really worked up, and then they might do social media thing, and it gets likes and re tweets and now you're up against that or you're some kind of town hall, and somebody's screaming and applauding. You're the bad guys standing or bad. Bad ladies standing on stage and you can't get your point in. I mean I see these things play out. Whether it be with right or the left this has been going on for a while. Now, this isn't like a new phenomenon since November sixteen and you're in a tough spot, but I just sometimes feel like there's obstructionist elements to policy in city of Saint Louis, and I'm not necessarily sure it's because we're acting in the best interest. So much as we don't like the idea of Caroline, kindle Betts, who you know, was born into this family, asking for help, or Tom Stillman, who's married into the Danforth family. And he's. Asking for help. I could be wrong on that. No one has said that to me, this is me reading between the lines. And I don't like that. I don't like that. I but at the same time I would like I don't know if I necessarily like it, I'd understand it. And for that matter support it, even though I would necessarily like it, but understand it is. Yeah. We have some issues here in the city of Saint Louis. I understand what the blues have done. I think that the MLS could be a great thing for the city. But what you don't understand is, is we have these issues x y and z, and we're not in a position to responsibly. Do this without making sure we know that. I get that. I don't really feel like that's the way that it's presented. Now it might be being presented that way. And I don't see it. But I oftentimes feel like that's the case in. It's just all I don't like that kind of person, and therefore I am against it. Not because I'm necessarily really against it. But I don't like that kind of person and my constituents. Don't like that kind of person as opposed to having a conversation with my constituents on. Well, I understand we're not getting the trash picked up or take your pick on crime issues police issues. But here is why spending this money on this will actually help with the crime issues will help with police will help with the trash issues. And again, I'm coming it's not like I'm coming from place of being in the trenches. This is social media rhetoric here that I'm that I'm spitting. And by that, I mean I'm not plagiarizing social media so much as these the kinds of things that when it gets down to it or kind of vapid and they get likes and re tweets, but, you know, the thing that I would. I guess, probably the reason why I'm, I'm no fun when it comes to this kind of thing is because I've been on the receiving end of like the social media solution guy when it comes to like the radio stations when I've been operating those, and it's like, yeah, I understand. But you don't have any idea what you're talking about. And I can't not because you can't comprehend it. But I can't explain why. Because then I'm embarrassing people or I'm saying things out of school, and it's a tough spot, and that's, that's, that's why am I have a lot of empathy for that? I don't necessarily know that's the case when you're talking about governmental policy for the record. But I just I'm more apt to see both sides of it with that all said. What you saw from the region. I always use the term the region because it's not the city because the city it's the county. It Saint Charles county. It's Jefferson County. It's Madison County. It's a region. It's by state support. And that's what we're about here. There's a river running through it a couple of them for that matter. But we're all in the same gang as they said, eighty nine west coast, east coast rap all stars which was talking about gangster, Pete were all in the same gang Kumo the tough here. Yeah. While you all you're searching browsers over there. Maybe you can maybe you can see if you can find, we're all in the same gang eighty eight eighty nine nurse. They don't know the dates Tim, but. What happened with the blues, west coast, all-star tear? It is. Oh, well, ninety. Thank you. Nineteen ninety. And the region's response to it was greater than I expected, and that's coming from a place of expecting exuberance that we had never seen before truly felt that way. And yet it surpassed it. Now. Again, it's none. None of this ever said for any other reason other that I'm thinking, and I guess there's going to come time or the probably are that ship already sailed or I'm going to say something, somebody's gonna say, I'm saying it for reason. It's just how I really feel but it doesn't mean that I'm right. Just because I feel this way, I do not believe. Something that I know people can write pros about and be praised. And again like three tweets. That because the blues won the Stanley Cup and the community reacted the way the community reacted in the prayed went off flawlessly, relatively speaking for that number of people. However many was, I guess, now the quote unquote, official numbers three hundred ninety thousand blues were saying one point five million post-dispatch said more than one hundred thousand we got somebody who broke it down, and send it in and then at three hundred ninety thousand and whatever obviously, hundreds of thousands of people everybody agree with that, that does not equate to now. Saint Louis takes off, it does not equate to that. And I don't want to get caught up in that. However, what I would say is similar to how great Bellary even the PGA championship went off. It opens people's eyes to what we can do. And if that then is the impetus for things to get done that have not been done in a while of then great, but that alone will not be the. I think if the core you have a percent, or less of the population, all most all of whom are living within a mile of where I am broadcasting from it Manchester, and would lawn maybe two miles, I suppose, who probably have ninety five plus percent of the wealth in the community ES against repeat. Residents receive they receive. I don't know where the hell that came from. But I love that you just injected into the program. I'd support if you were wonderful Addy Andrew scene out this week. But my point is the people that I'm speaking of who are really when it gets down to because the money is the power. I don't think they're going. Yeah. Saint Louis needs to turn around. And without them being on board. I'm not sure that the structure can ever really really, really really, really change. Unless the money comes into some of the new and young and prudentially outside who moved here. People are moving here for these startups to take it away from the old money or just to add it into the revenue pot of Saint Louis, and then have a different view. And that's not to say that now we go throw everybody in the do and Clayton Huntley. You know that's not what I'm saying. But just go k yeah, you can continue to, you know have your second and third homes and flat of spirit. And that's great. God bless. But now here, some people who recognize that this can be a great place. We have now seen it, and here is some here are some of the steps that need to take place in order for it to happen. And I just I so. So therefore, I would add this onto the time line of the last five years, 'cause we're coming up on the fifth anniversary of Ferguson which will bleed to. Some retrospective. And since then, the Rams of left he had the botched initial MLS operation, of course crime statistics, and so on. But you have also had some great reports regarding startups in Saint Louis new businesses at Saint Louis innovation in Saint Louis. You do. See some cranes in Saint Louis, I think that's a little overstated at times, because I think the people were talking about that probably haven't been to a lot of other places where there are a hell of a lot more cranes. But nonetheless, there are at least some and, and so therefore, I think, again, I keep saying you buy stock, in Saint Louis part of, it's because the values never been lower or was not lower. But also, I know that people recognize a that it needs to happen and be that it can happen in this is yet another moment in that. And then when you see hundreds of thousands of people come together, it can't help, but inspire you. And when you see and that's the reason why this, I'm less when it gets down to it. I'm a bigger cardinal fan. I'm a big your base. Baseball fan than I am a blues fan or hockey fan. That's I've said I feel like I've said it every questions from the audience like the last month. That's why I got into the stuff was where the cardinals in baseball. It's not to say that I, you know, it was it wasn't like locked into my television and my heart ripped out thousand nine hundred six when I was in college when, when is beat Casey, but just, you know, it's the cardinals it was always the cardinals cardinals with the Rams, cardinals or the blues cardinals, Missouri if you're asking me to rank, but I love the mall or loved is the case with the Rams. So. With all that said, I don't think I don't think it's prisoner, the moment to say that what we saw with reaction to the blues was greater than anything. We saw with the cardinals. Which is weird to say. But I do believe that's the case. And I think, and I'm offering a theory here because we talked about it with, with Cam and read in the podcast, it's coming up, and they, they gave their theories, and I think I stopped short or maybe I didn't I don't know if we're getting the point where we're wrapping up because I read was about to lose forty pounds in the and the podcast studio in the ventilation issue, but I think a lot of Saint Louis and see themselves in the blues and, and not just the players who are down to earth now. That's not unique to the Saint Louis blues, they might be more relatable in Saint Louis, because there's a culture that comes down from the alumni that makes that the expectation, but I'm talking about the organization, the timing of the organization coming into the league when it did kind of right at the beginning of a decline for Saint Louis ballpark range. Literally, I've talked about seeing that post-dispatch archive of their begging for people buy tickets to the Stanley Cup final against Montreal and sixty eight and it's the same day that the hawks were announcing they're moving to Atlanta, you know. And so, I think there's that element the undercurrent for people. But also with this year, specifically, here's a team. Here's a city that was completely counted out, and they made a couple of changes both kind of not necessarily expected to be silver bullet changes. I don't think people thought, okay, they got Baru be, let's see how he does for the next few years. It's like they got ruby but Quenneville villes now available. Let's see if we get Quenneville Jordan Bennington. I mean how many people that watched the Stanley Cup final or watching the Jordan bidding tens debut against the flyers, like percentage wise? Two percent. I mean it was that bad at that time. And then they came together and then it just became an unstoppable. Force of not guys who all the sudden got really arrogant, you go. Oh, god. I'm Sharon it. I know this guys kind of dick, you could buy in and then they lived up to it at the parade, I wasn't surprised by that. And I think if you're around hockey, players, you probably weren't like what people are making a big deal. I'm like, yeah. I, I would have been surprised if they wouldn't have done that actually that's exactly what I expected them getting shit faced them using the word fuck every other word, not giving a damn Jordan bidding ten driving around on a scooter. It's bat shit. You know a guy throw Sanford throwing up in the car maroon standing on a Rams towel with the Cup on it. I mean just chase walking out and seeing the crowd and going. Holy fuck Brad whole being drunk for like a month straight. That's what that's what. But that's the thing. A lot of people go. Yeah. That's what I do. I do. Snort blow and spend ten grand on strippers in Miami. So I don't I don't know what that's about. You know, but I can relate to drinking, Bud Light nonstop and throwing up and then laughing, my buddy who's singing, Gloria, like he's shit faced at three in the morning at double DS. I get that. And so I just think this, I think in the present it's as good of a sports win as I've experienced as far as a championship goes. And this is, again, coming from somebody who's a bigger cardinal fan than blues fan, although that gap is closing for certain and that's not, because I'm so angry at John Mozelle ach. It's because I just fell even more in love with us hockey team over the last couple of months, and I can't wait to watch the regular season. Even though it won't change my opinion billion my God loss to the Panthers October. It doesn't mean a damn thing just get into the tournament, but I will be looking forward to watching games. I would imagine we'll talk a hell of a lot more about the blues on the show going forward in the regular season than we have in the past because we'll all be more engaged in it. And the community will be more game engaged in it, it, and so. And as far as the future goes, I think it can have an impact on Saint Louis. But indirectly and then as far as the game a hockey and Saint Louis it was all. Ready so strong. And now Saint Louis I think is position to just be a hockey hotbed. And, and this group of guys who right now are kind of, like, you know, oh, look at them out in Las Vegas, getting shit faced and look at the women that are chasing them around at the MGM and all the stuff and it's great, but in fifteen twenty years when they come back and walk on the ice, they will be God's. They will always be God's in Saint Louis. They will always be God's in Saint Louis, I promise you that every single one of them. Oh, look, it's Oscar Sundquist, couldn't be more excited about it couldn't be more excited about who's Oscar son quiz. Dad well in the two thousand nineteen team which will be talked about, you know, like some people talk about take your pick of whatever team eighty two cardinals, eighty-five Cardozo four cardinals. You know, he was the guy that did this and that, and then in about Brayden Schenn. Well, you know, he's guy that did this and that, but then all my God. The goal the. Him up three enough at lock thing that he's the one who scored it's, it's just it's all in rhino Riley might as well by his the house that he's gonna live in the rest of his life, because he will be here, the rest of his life. Even if he winds up at some point going somewhere else toward the tail end of his career. He will be a Saint Louis blue. That's it. And that was not the case, by the way before the blues won the Stanley Cup. That's not to say that he wouldn't have hell, there's a bunch of guys who didn't win the Stanley Cup who live here and coach here and a huge parts of the alumni here. Ryan O'Reilly is now synonymous with the Saint Louis blues. Alex portraying Gelo, a whipping boy for many fans will now be he'll still get whipped here and there on social media, but he will always be the guy or the on sweater the night, the blues won the Cup and he will be the image forever of what is a phenomenal picture of him with ding the Cup the first time a member of the blues lifts the Cup. That's Alex betrayal can never change. Ryan Kelly's the home loan expert. And he is the sponsor of our studios here on the Tim mckernan show without him. We don't have a podcast. So make sure you're supporting our sponsor Ryan Kelly, the home loan expert dot com, and with interest rates dropping and this being home buying season. This is a prime time to get in and get yourself a great rating and lock in, or if you want to refinance, now's the time to do so Ryan, Kelly's, the person to do it with he is online at the home loan expert dot com. Ryan Kelly the studio sponsor of this program, Ryan Kelly, the home loan expert dot com. You know, I, I asked this question, so I'm kind of doing my own questions from the audience here. Now that the blues have won the Cup. What's the next? Great championship. You wanna see in sports? I think for me gangster peak extra. You can chime in, of course. I agree Mizzou. Yeah. But you know what the thing is about that? Is that if that were to happen? It's, it's just different in the sense that this was two months straight almost either every other night, or every other two nights. Once you got the Cup final. Of living in dying as a community with the results of sixty minutes on a slab of ice, and should Missouri football. I think more so than basketball, but is still have a huge impact over basketball. It'd be one game. Now, it'd be an SEC championship inevitably. There have to be some huge games and wins along the way that an SEC championship. And then I guess Suming it's still the final four teams than you. It's got to, but it's not it's not it's I don't know if anything can duplicate this now. I remember writing a column at the start of the two thousand twelve season which I live, it was increase, if, if it were put on social media, it would be ratio, like fucking crazy, and I guess I could have been it was two thousand twelve and then I, then I want a beating my words but not because was criticized. But because what happened six months later that because of October two thousand eleven my interest in April of two thousand twelve was lessened. And the reason was it's like I had the greatest cocaine ever, and I'm never ever going to be able to get that high back like nothing. Will ever be better than game six of the two thousand eleven World Series, and that probably is still the case. But then you had game five of the two thousand twelve as an ES which like falls like on the like, number ten or something of Saint Louis sports memories since two thousand you know, January first two thousand which is nuts considering what that comeback was against the nationals to advance the analysis. And there it was again, you know, and then they win three games in the next year. They beat the dodgers. You know after, you know, not necessarily you know, looking like that was going to happen when you have to deal with Kershaw, and they're back there, again, in two thousand fourteen is Adams, it's home. Of course. I mean all these things and you just keep getting them. So you look back on it, and you go, there's no way that I can ever be as into something, and I can't imagine anything superseding the first time the blues winning the Stanley Cup. I just I just can't imagine it won't be the same as it was this first time. But the interest level in the game will be infinitely higher starting while it's already started. But once the season the regular season starts in October, and it's the absolute greatest. All right, next question 'cause we started at ten thirty. And I just went twenty three minutes on a that's my problem. That is my problem. Let's see, now this is interesting. I don't remember reading this one law. Tim. I have never called enter Email, your show, but I'm a longtime fan what you have built this truly amazing. I have a friend on qui- Hawaii, who listens to you guys, your coverage of the blues interviews, was great Iggy and plows you were there for you. That's the true definition of ride or die. Glued gangster, Peter. Please as much shit as anyone gives them. We all do. Truly love them. I do have a few questions if you don't mind answering them for questions from the audience if you have time if you had a chance and could call any sports Stoorikhel moment on radio or TV. What would it be my answer to that game sixty thousand seven World Series? Bottom of the ninth I still I, I don't know how something like that can be topped. Like I saw a poll on the fan page. I dunno if you saw Pete, and I get it Joe Rodrick actually called it for what it was better game game. Seven of the two thousand nineteen Stanley Cup final or game six the two thousand eleven World Series. More significant I can I can play along with better game game six of the two thousand eleven World Series in like in five years, it would win like with ninety eight percent vote, but just like days after the blues winning and it was game seven that led to that people are going to say game seven of the Stanley Cup final. But if you have some historical perspective, I don't know if anything can be better than game six deals on World Series. I agree. Those polls make me chuckle. Yeah. And their prisoner. The moment pal center stand, and there's no need for me to jump in and go. Are you asking this time? I get what they're doing. And, you know, whatever it's like a bigger Cinderella story Jordan, Bennington her Kurt Warner, and it's like, well, I know we hate the Rams, but I mean, Kurt Warner was working in a grocery store, and arena football. And then he won the Super Bowl MVP, you know, and then people reasonable bidding to add to do it for two months. I mean it's like, okay, whatever. Ten years from now, the answer will easily be Kurt Warner, unless Jordan Bennington turns into Patrick wa let's see your dream interview or bullshit session podcast. How do I not remember this Email, it usually remember, all of them, even if they're ones that I'm not planning on reading on the show. My dream interviewer bullshit session podcast. If I could get, I'll tell you, actually because I was about to save. I'd get a president to like strip down the bullshit and actually talk honestly. I would I would love that. I also re recognize at this particular moment has not happening. Hal, even if I did blue suddenly position to get presidents on the show, that's not happening because that's not they're never going to strip that down. And I understand that. I'll tell you what I'd like. I'll go white whale, Eric Crichton's about that can happen. He's probably already planning his next TV gig or comeback and politics or whatever coming on here, but that would be a good Quin. Snyder is in that class Chris long is in that class. Oh, I'm sure there are others Yod. Anybody who do you think anybody were missing here? I'd love Jordan Bennington. Bidding Senate be great. I don't know if he would like be in character or would, you know, thinking that soon as I said it. On the podcast yesterday. Yeah, we did talk about like oh, he's in character. If you had a chance for a question, what would you ask, STAN Kroenke no-holds-barred, I'd have a lot of questions because it would be more like an attorney line of questioning, but it was sensually would be when you when you exercised your right of first refusal did you know you're moving the Rams to Los Angeles. And then we would move on from there, which, I know might not titillate people because I think people would probably want to Jack Nicholson, Tom Cruise situation. But as far as getting actual answers, that's where we would start. And then there would be a number of follow ups from there with, with a particular variety of data points. This is for me maybe for you too. Can you do a Lisa an podcast, all the bullshit? She may have had to go through and porn the other half fantasy football. Since the time is coming up just a suggestion. Thank you, sir. I do remember this now. But I only remember the lease and part. Thank you, sir, for your program. You Doug cat plows? Egging gangster Pete. Make my day every day. Look forward to hearing you guys everyone. Yeah. I would I would love to. I don't. I if the pot of the about seven months ago, I, I signed an agreement with KF an s inside S, T, L, which was the company I, I manage and started in two thousand five owns the content of TMA owns the content of this podcast, but caffeine essentially as a licensing agreement to sell it. And if if this truly wore my own little fiefdom, I would have adult film stars on the podcast unapologetically because I just for the life of me the stigma attached to sex workers is, is, is like a dogma phenomenon in. It's like people accept it. Then you take a step back. Yeah. Why I don't I don't know. Like, what's why is that? So, you know, can have somebody who like beats the shit out of their wife and like do a forgiveness to her. But you can't possibly have, you know, somebody who who has sex on film on, you know. I I'm fascinated by it. I think I've said that maybe about once every month on questions from the audience. But knowing that knowing that some people even though I know our sponsors. And I don't think any of them go, my God. Tim, I can't sponsor the podcast. If you but I will say this. We did have a sponsor come along brief run who said, hey, we want to be involved. But you really got. We can't have you have porn stars on even though I'd never had a porn star and still haven't had a porn star on the podcast. And I'm like, I find it's fine. I get it. I understand it, it wasn't something I was planning on doing anyway. But, you know, in the reason for me, not planning on doing any way was not to appeal to the people who hate me, as it is because I do talk about it or I'm agnostic or whatever, or just abrasive, I suppose, is not the people. I'm trying to appeal to. But like when you're trying to book the dewitt's or Danforth or whatever and on the off chance. Somebody goes all you can't go on that show. He has porn stars on, I think we I think the I think we've gotten past that. I mean first off all those people have been on, at this point, but I think, well, I think I think when it really gets down to it, most people don't know or care. That's what I really actually think. But then I think, I think I'm this paradox. Two people in like the acceptable circles of Saint Louis. It's like yeah. I think he's kind of a creep. But I guess he's kind of doing something. Okay. So I think it's safe to go on the show because even though he's a creep on the radio. I think he's kind of a decent guy thinks creepy shit and says it I think that's where I am. I think that's where I am. I think it's where I am because I'm surprised by the caliber of guests. We you're considering how fucking weird. I am relative to what is considered acceptable conversation in Saint Louis. So that's great because ten years ago that wouldn't have been happening. I don't know what happened. I have no idea. I don't know. Maybe it's the fact that I that I spawned, I don't know. I have no idea what happened. But it's in some of your probably going really, there are people who wouldn't come on somebody YoM surprise, build the wooden Tom Stillman Jack Danforth. And Jim talent, you know, came on came on the show. But it but it's not like I'm like, oh, good. I've got Jack Danforth in here. Let me ask him his favourite adult film stars, I recognize the arena and I respect the parameters you know, and I know. Know where I can go with certain guests, and we're not gonna go with certain guests. It's interesting, I'm. Yeah. I, I guess it's reading Stern's book and how he talks about. Like what he would do a now and then he conveyed his reasoning for doing it and I didn't realize this. But my interest in him came from the entertainment television show. And when he would have guests on I didn't use to really get into the guests. Now we're talking about the nineteen nineties, but that's because the interviews would be like maniacal, and he explains like he listens to those things back now and he's some barest by them in his reason was he felt like he had to keep the audience, entertain because he was monitoring every quarter hour for ratings purposes, and he would watch the quarter hours and when it was coming up, and if his audience, if he was listening to his guest drone on about something he was bored by he would say something, bad shit just to keep the audience tuned in because he was fighting this ratings thing, which is fortunately something we've never had to do. That's huge man because fourth this, the show is that would be a tough adjustment. And maybe someday, we will have to adjust I don't know. You know, I mean, but that's a real thing, and I get it. And that's why now he can have these long conversations that I just love they're essentially like podcasts. And that's all I listen to God. I was I was playing golf with one of. My friends, and he goes, do you listen to stern gangster peed, I listen to some of the interviews. Sometimes. Catalogue a Benji like used his hands on Richard and Sal or something like that. And I'm going. Wow. Man, I gotta tell you, I didn't think there was anything that I would be like, oh, I can't. I just I'm just I you know, listen, if that's what if that's what they're doing. God bless him. I don't have to listen to it. But holy shit. Wow. I mean, I'm I'm, I'm surprised especially for where he is at this point that that's like the play like I, I don't want to do this or that anymore. But now I've got one of my producers pleasure ring you know, but whatever either way point is I listened to the interviews. And I love to let the interviews breathe regarding having league. I know it would be a great interview. And I think actually, I don't think anybody would have a problem with it. I thought about it actually while she was in town for the Dodoma couple of weeks ago. But the thing is with that is, she is so kind in giving her time. And she doesn't get a dollar for a minute. It's just it's nuts. And I love it. Because I just I also don't think our audience is necessarily the people, I'm talking to though, when I say this stuff because I don't think our audience is like, oh porn. That's wrong. I can't believe that, you know, or they might be like, yeah, I don't like porn, but I don't like a hate the porn star, you know, I get that, that, that one, you know, I just I think I personally think it's wrong and think it's disrespectful of I married. Or whatever the case might be or does view it as immoral whatever, which is cool, but then not like having this judgment on the porn. I don't think that's the vast vast vast vast vast majority of our audience. This would be more like if I were like on came wax, or something, like that, you know, then, then it'd be an issue. So I haven't Lisa on the podcast would be a big deal. But she's so giving her time last thing I wanted to do even though she probably would have done it. And we would have gone, it would have been like a young page views thing, we would have gone like three hours going into all kinds of stuff because I know she's gone through some, some shed and I'm not talking about, like, you know, dealing with family. I'm talking about like dealing in the industry, and she's so transparent with that, that it would have been is it'd be great. I don't want to do it over the phone, so maybe we will set it up Suming she's coming back next year. We'll make sure we'll do it. It's, it's, it's legitimate question. I hope that attempted to explain it. All right. I'm just in the emails right now even though I know I got a bunch of this was a good one. It's probably going to be quick answer, which will be really rare. Hey TIMMY, been listed since late two thousand nine of her. Call texted Email, there've been doing event, nothing personal, just not my thing, but I do support the sponsors. And listen every single day since plow. He's been part of the show. I've always wondered about one thing and I thought I missed my window when he was off the show. So I figured I'd take my shot now I'm curious about the open talk about marijuana usage. Let me say first that I use it as well, although not all day like the plow stone or so. I'm definitely for it at thirty seven years old. I consider that a lot of people use it and for different reasons. I don't think it's taboo, but it's technically illegal, so I'm curious if it has ever come up with advertisers station management. I'm assuming they don't care since it's talked about openly. But as any sponsor said anything there's any sponsor turned down advertising because of it. I'm not sure if anyone else's curious about this. So if you don't think the question has mass appeal and you don't want to Email me back. That's fine. If you do put this on the podcast at appreciate my name, private PS. Thank you for always doing a great job on the show. But specifically the days leading up to and after the Stanley Cup win I was in Nashville on a preplanned trip and listening to the TMA podcast really made me feel connected. Ring the bell that comes. From Ed with his full name, but he didn't out there. The answer to your question regarding the plow hawk. And smoking weed is no, it has never come up with sponsors now, I don't deal directly with sponsors. But the plow hawk was the board operator going back to two thousand fourteen when I was operating nine twenty and therefore, dealing directly sponsors. And it was not an issue. I don't know. I think the marijuana taboo is so different in twenty nineteen even from where it was in two thousand nine but especially nineteen ninety nine. And then beyond going back beyond that, I just don't think people really. It's like oh, they're eighteen in their drinking. Yes. It's against the law, but fucking care. Oh, you sped. I don't fucking care. You know, just don't hurt. Anybody else, don't drink and drive. You know, if you're eighteen so yes, it's against the wall, though. I can't imagine that being the case you know much longer. It's never come up. It's fair question. I don't think the questions out of line, especially the with the way you presented it, but it's never come up, now, maybe it has, and I'm not aware of it, but it has never come up with anything I have dealt with art final Email thing that I set aside here in your opinion. What would the ideal Saint Louis mayor look like background area grownup education race, etc. And what message ideas do you think would resonate not only in the city but area as a whole Greg in Webster? Groves interesting question I. I think saying anything about anybody's background the area they grew up in their level of education or race. Although I understand why one asks that is, is just not. Chastise the question because I understand it. And I think it's an honest question coming from a good place. I don't think there's an honest answer that would come from good place. Not to say it would be fair assist. I don't the answer is I don't know. You know, like does the person have to be black. Those, the person FBI white. The answer is no to both does the person have to have gone to, you know, a really, really great university. You know what I'm talking about take your pick of like an Ivy league or, you know, some really high Stanford, Duke or something like that. I don't think the answer. I don't I don't think that's I don't really that stuff is don't think matters. I don't think leadership is something that is taught in a classroom. I don't think leadership is something that you can ask for. I think you. Conduct yourself. How you conduct yourself and then people either choose to buy in, or they choose to say this person's full of shit, and I'm not impressed, and that's pretty much it rarely are you going to be able to get that back? It's going to take dramatic circumstances for that to happen, using an example. President Bush, George W Bush did not have a real high approval rating on September tenth two thousand one and a week later, he had a very high approval rating as the country came together through tragedy and the Bush v gore, thing of late in two thousand and early in two thousand one went by the wayside because the countries United by tragedy. So, you know, taking that now down to the local level, I really don't know. I don't know if I feel like. I have seen. Someone get actually elected case. These are all these qualifiers for a statewide office or Missouri Representative Senator office. In the last twenty years, who I can go that person right there. That person is the person that person I will follow. I buy into the same time, I don't know how many I would say nationally, I feel that way about, and I would imagine number of you share that opinion. Locally though you take out the Fox News. MSNBC whichever place you go and get your news from which, unfortunately, but understandably leads to the way, people see the world. You know, that's not that's not necessarily in the equation. And, you know, I think if anything people have distrust of see Steve stagger, or lack of respect for see Lada Cruzan, or see, as the status quo. Lyda cruzan. And that's why for me and I, I feel like we talked about more. I talk about Mark montavani, and I make him out to be probably something more than he'd even be comfortable with. But he was he was a good one, and that was a big loss that was a big loss. And that's that's and I think, anybody who listens to this knows that I'm not saying that after the fact with what's happened with Steve staying over the last couple of months. I thought that the morning of I that I've said it before, and it might seem it might make people, you know, spontaneously combust when I say the morning after. Donald Trump was elected as horrified as a number of people were. And I'm sure as happy as a number of people were certainly in this audience. I'd imagine way. More people were happy about it. Then then Hillary Clinton. I know I know the audience, I was more really concerned about the greitens election, which might be might be wrong for the record, but I felt like with Trump. He kind of knew what you had and, and you might you might love it. Or you might be cringing in focused on November twenty twenty in November twenty sixteen with air Crichton's. I'm like, oh my God. This guy is dangerous because I see all the tells of a problem, but it's like cloaked if you don't know any better, and I don't I don't feel like I'm like vindicated by what wound up happening. I'd sucks that it happened in that. And so the same thing with montavani. But that wasn't necessarily because of a strong dislike of Steve stagger at all. So. Much as it was, like, wow. This is the exact kind of candidate. I feel like we need somebody who doesn't need it. Somebody who has zero aspiration for any office beyond the one that he is running for and someone who doesn't care, if it's not popular, he's going to do what he believes is right for the greater good. That's what I'm looking for Republican democrat couldn't care any less. Think the city of Saint Louis and winning there. And then actually leading affectively is a is a really tough. Challenge. Not to say that county executive would be easy. It's just it's a tough challenge, because I do think it's, it's so divided and it's not just divided by the famous or infamous Delmore divide of racially but pockets of different politics and. I so so to answer the question because I was about to say, in some people who I think, may think they don't like each other. But when reality comes down to it, I think they actually do they just don't get a chance to hear from each other. And so, anytime this question gets asked. And when Danforth or I guess it was David Hon said, the Danforth was feeling me out for running for office, which I still don't believe was the case. But I'm flattered that David Hunt actually thought that. What I think of because I thought this growing up in the city going back to the nineteen eighties. It always out to me even before I was ten years old, which I know sounds weird. How? I 'cause weird is not the right word odd is not the right word how, how unspoken yet prominent race factors into the city of Saint Louis. In how I think it's one of our biggest issues and how even me just saying that right now pissed some of you off. And I just I think it's such a course now what do you do about it can say that stuff can get people cheering for you? And you can tweet that shit out. But what do you do about it? Because that's how when it's all said and done. That's how you're judged the results. And I the honest answer at this moment is I don't have an answer. But I know this if I actually were to run as somebody who grew up in south city owned Tam avenues family still lives on Tam avenue, and who loves the neighborhood in which I grew up. I know that my experience in six three one zero nine is not nearly the same and not just a somebody of African American descent in on the north side. But even somebody of Bosnian descent, you know, two miles to the east or southeast, and so it would be my responsibility to not just campaign to the people who I know. And better chance than not like me because I'm from the neighborhood, but to have a better understanding of what the issues are facing the people that are having a totally different life experience and then build policy from there. But that, that to me in also have an understanding, and whether one likes it or does not like it that the various constituents of these different wards have different interests, and you might not necessarily like it or agree. You it, but you can't just like shut them out. So in as far as going, yes, I think it needs to be a thirty five year old African American who went to Stanford and came back to Saint Louis, you know. And I know that's not what you're saying. I I I don't think I don't think it matters. I just I I just I didn't graduate from college. I've eight hours left. I mean, does that at this point we really worried about that? I don't know. Maybe some people are. You know, it's, it's character, but it's also amphitheater, and then action. From your character you have empathy and understanding that your life experience. And I was lucky is not the same as everybody else's, but then not penalizing or looking down on somebody or this invoke thing now to say, well, you know, old white guys just like that we can shit on that group. I just don't get that for the light. Like how the hell that all of a sudden, he just like, it's if somebody were to shit on young black people, what the it'd be like a fucker you saying, but knowing old white guys and just like shit on him. How that could be home again. They're both wrong. They're both divisive. So I don't know Mark montavani I guess, by definition is an older white guy. And I think he would have been an incredible. Saint Louis county executive. But I'll tell you in my limited experience. Here's one that won't play. Well, I guess, with some people in the audience in my limited experience with Wesley bell. I had I had no I didn't even know when I was interviewing Bob McCulloch, almost a year ago might have been like exactly. You're gonna actually that he was even running against any. For county executive or not counting executive for prosecute. And then he loses a Wesley bell. And I'm like, man who is Wesley bell? And then I, meet Wes and I interview us and I've gotten a gnome a little bit. I'm like, west sharp guy, now, people might need things get portrayed certain ways, and people like him for whatever reason, but he's a sharp guy in west is, I think he's a couple years older than me. He's African American. He's from the north side. I think he went to Hazelwood east. Well, I you know, I it just that, that doesn't matter. I'm not getting angry with you, Greg in Webster. Groves with question at all. I'm getting worked up here because it just doesn't matter. Because I do feel like by the way that the Democratic Party feels like it has to make sure that it has a certain kind of background for its presidential candidate, which is fucked up. Well, we ran out a woman there last time that didn't work out. Well what buff fuck. You ran on a white guy in two thousand four and it didn't work out. You're not a white guy in two thousand and it didn't work out. I mean you've run out the. Candidate. And if people are not going to vote for somebody because of their race, then they're just as intolerant is the people, they're claiming intolerance, four on the other side. It cuts both ways man. Now, I'm all fired up and haven't even gone to the fan page yet. Pete, I haven't even gone to the fan page. Let's see what we got here because there were some good ones on the fan page put the mic Lee, Lisa and picture. So I could find Mark Hanna of evergreen wealth strategies can't emphasize enough how important it is to have a financial adviser. 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The honest answer is I get uncomfortable when I see that anytime. So I wouldn't love to see anybody I, I guess, Lana because Iggy would be what worked up about it on a roads, which probably is happening actually Fowler anymore, even know she's tweeting. I just I I'm always so uncomfortable. And I see like oh shit. They're gonna want that one back. You know, it's, it's, it's rarely do you get in a Twitter thing and go. I'm glad I did that, you know, so I, I don't I my honest answer is Delana roads, terrible answer, honestly, answer when you cop and young Jameson his first purge as broad. That's from men child seventy nine it's a wonderful question. Don't know, Jameson has this thick blond hair in for my money. It needs a haircut. But now it's. Kind of, like well, and if he's like me in seventeen years, he's going to start losing it. So maybe we'll start harvesting it now for a big hair transplant procedure then. So as far as his fashion goes, I'm happy to get him Jay's. I really am at this point. He's wearing velcro sandals, though, to be real candid with you. So I don't know for at the point yet with the death of better together in the blues Cup run. How much time does that by the city and county to get their crap together? In other words, how long until everyone is bitching about the same problems. Again, does the sad economic state of Illinois have any bearing it all in the prosperity of the city moving forward. I actually think the answer is no. But I think it should because I come from a regional standpoint, that's why you hear me and I said it earlier I view things from the regional perspective, even though I realize you're talking about a variety of different governments. And then when you include Madison County, and they're not you're talking about another state. But when Vince shame was in here, he talked about the, the region. He didn't talk about, you know, Saint Louis city and county by the region. I mean you have this, Hugh. I just always feel like it's an. Odd thing I that as my go-to orders an odd, odd and fascinating, I gotta get better. I gotta go, like, doc Emmerick and get the source and just come up with a variety of words. But that there is this huge resource that is on the other side of the Mississippi River with a monster population. It's just kind of like flies under the radar while it doesn't count. Yeah, no in its own in a lot of the line. I fans but, you know, till annoy me and accounts, and it's a resource. So all along those lines similar to what I talked about a little earlier with the blues Cup run. I think it can give people realization and a sense of pride that then can lead to improvement. I don't think it alone leads to improvement. What's your opinion of the student loan crisis? Do you have any ideas and how to make higher education affordable? Again, I feel like I'm doing a town hall on AM running for office. This is great. I feel like it's going to be one of the biggest ally issues going into the twenty twenty presidential election. This is a classic political, redirect. My honest answer is I don't know. That's my real an. Answer. I will say this. I it's, it's like private schools in Saint Louis right now, private high schools. And I guess hell it goes to middle school grade school at our people call it, I guess, Catholics call it grade schools by understanding, my wife is not Catholic, and she called it elementary school and middle school. I think and then it's high school or junior high, I don't know whatever before ninth grade. And then the pry, I'm just like this has to be a bubble at some point, people have to go. I can't afford it anymore. And yes, my snobby neighbor might look down. On the fact that I'm not sending my son or daughter, private school. Even though the private schools, like half the quality of the education that are public school district would be. But I don't care I this is nuts. I mean these things are like seventeen K a year now. And I'm not, of course, not even talking about the boroughs in MS CDS of the world. I mean for the life of me, I don't get it. And I had a great experience at Saint Louis you high. And, and I look at my classmates from Saint Louis U high, and they're like cross the. Board quite successful. And I do think I think part of it is Saint Louis you, hi. But also, I mean, the admissions policy, you're getting people who, you know, tested really well, and so they're already in a good spot to be successful. So it's not new. It's a chicken and egg discussion. But I do think there are a lot of elements of Saint Louis U. Hi, that were wonderful. And so, but that was about. I mean I graduated from there twenty five years ago. I mean I have no idea, what's like my brother. Teachers, there loves it. I still have a great fondness for it. And if in twelve years, my son's in a position to and wants to go there and it's still doing what is doing. I certainly would look at it. My guess is it'll be like twenty five thousand dollars a year. It leased, by the way, assuming there's no bubble. But, you know my answer on this stuff. And so I'm just talking about high schools. They're much less colleges mean. These things are like fifty K a year again. I know it depends on which one. You know, Missouri, I don't think was fifty thousand a year. I have no idea. I don't think it is people are gonna start yelling at me that I don't know that I mean, I haven't been there in twenty years, and I don't have anybody even remotely close to going. I set aside money in a five twenty nine that's what I'm doing right now. We're in college. And that's all I'm doing for my son, but. My response. I you know, the guys names micro, some of your main legal. Yes, good for you for saying something, I have no idea who you're talking about. People probably no. I think it was a Ford commercials and he talks about how. Wrongly a lot of American parents feel like they're checkmark is being quality parents as their kids going to college, and therefore, a lot of trades are being ignored, where people can make really good livings, be quite happy, and don't need to go to college and come out with debt. And here I am kind of playing a character when it comes to the private school thing and all that shit. I don't believe that shit for a second. But I have a great fondness for Saint Louis you. Hi. But shit. You anywhere. And you know, boat when it comes to college, then went to Missouri. You know, it's not like I went to an Ivy league school or something like that. And I guess it's great journalist. It is a great journals, I won't say, I guess, but it is journalism school. And it's not like I'm getting into a high upside business. When you're there, you're kinda like oh I wanna play. So I'll go to journalism school. That's what I was thinking. I'm not saying everybody saying that please. Don't Email me? But that a lot of people are leaving out or ignoring the opportunity to go. Yeah. I didn't starting inside. S T, L was not a byproduct of a great education at Saint Louis, you high, or the university of Missouri. It was a byproduct having a non compete contract or non compete clause in my contract from came over him being bored. Now somebody like Pete with his MBA. Certainly we'd be better fit to start a business and build the business than someone like me, who was way behind on that. And still probably is. But you can you can learn about it. And you know grow a business without having a college degree. I feel like it's kind of an obvious statement. So my point on that question, which doesn't necessarily answer that, question, specifically, I think part of it can be averted by not going. Actually. Oh, I realized that, listen, if you wanna be a doctor, if you want to be an attorney. You don't have that luxury. But I just I don't know. I I'm really I'm like, almost as far away from it as you can be with a one year old, the only way you're the further away from it is, if you're like fifty and you don't have kids and, you know, you're not going to have kids and it's just not it's going to be like, oh, yeah, thirty years ago, I went to college. You know, oh yeah. People have two hundred thousand dollars in debt when they leave that sucks. But I just I don't know. I just always kind of like I'm telling you. I just I thought Missouri was easy again, it's twenty years ago. I maybe it was because slew is tough Saint Louis U high at Saint Louis university. It's not to say Saint Louis university's tough. Gotta be careful everything. But, you know, I was there to fuck around on TV and radio and, you know, so I was doing I had a different experience. So it might not be fair to say I mean like Alexis Strauss Joe's daughter. You know, she's graduated with, like double majors, and econ and math. I assure you her life experience in Colombia's, a hell of a lot different than me. Fumbled fucking around on KOA MU on the weekends. So without all said, you know, the, the my answer is not don't go to college. That's not my answer. But I do feel like a number of people like, oh, I have to go to college in order to make a living. And yes, if you wanna be a doctor or an attorney, you know, or you wanna be in finance. Yeah. You can't dislike okay? That's it. I went to Saint Louis U. Hi, I'm moving to New York and going to live on Wall Street now. That's not the way that it works. I understand that. I guess my answer is more toward those who just kind of go and then wind up with a communications degree. And you know, in go well, all right. I got a degree, and I have no idea what I wanna do. That's that's where I'm going. But in fairness, I also know a lot of people hell in their late twenties. Still don't know what they wanna do. So why would somebody eighteen all of a sudden they're going to do, so I don't have the my assets? I don't I don't know. But, but regarding that I do feel like a lot of people like they just have to go to college. Kind of, like I feel like in Saint Louis. A lot of people 'specially if they're Catholic feel like they. I just have to go to a private school when they live in a school district where they went to the public school, eight would get just as good as a an education for free, and they're already paying for it or the parents already paying for it via the taxes and that just that makes me cringe, and I don't think it's really four lights. I think it's important that my son or daughter, experienced the algae class. I think it's more for a have to be able to say that they went to a private school. And that's cringing to me. What else I'm on Banney rooster kick here, you have the chance to ask your business slash entrepreneurial idol. One question who is it? What is the question? Why did you choose that question? What I gotta tell you to me. Recaps really get some good questions in here. And then when I'm not prepared for him than they lied to me, having to delay tactic. I don't gangster. Here's my delay tactic. Who is your entrepreneurial idol? Do you have one? Off the top of my head. No. As far as like business goes, it'd be my dad. Yeah. That's a good answer. I don't know. I'm we'll tell you this. It's kind of a deep tease, I might I might be at a on the verge of doing something, you know, that would that would be a change, and I won't say, I won't it is highly unlikely. We'll do it until I know that I have at least a pool of a certain number of people who would join me in the venture. Because I, I just I you, you live and you learn, and I can't do it all by myself. That's obvious statement. But I've lived at trying to do it all by myself, not all by myself. That's not fair. But doing a lot of it doing essentially like three jobs myself, and then my wife also being involved and, and just really lead to a stressful time. I think the way that things worked out at nine twenty and the fact that we did not have kids allow that to happen, which then allowed TMA to continue which then allowed us to be where we are six years later. So I'm grateful for that. I don't believe everything happens for reason. I don't subscribe to that. I don't sounds good. It makes people feel better. And maybe everything does happen for reason. I personally don't believe it, but who fucking knows? I just know that, that happened to work out because if I did have at least one child, if not more in two thousand thirteen nine twenty would have never become CBS sports, nine twenty I wouldn't have done it. I would've taken that chance. So having lived that I know that I need to have people on the team or no. The people are interested in joining the team before I would do it again. And that's the way to lift the ceiling of the potential of, of the business. So going back to the entrepreneurial element, I don't know. I think some people would potentially think they've Portnoy. I respect that he grinded in two thousand four five when he started barstool in a way that I did not because I had a fulltime job and was making a decent living. It's not like I was millionaire, but I was making a decent living. That was his job part of me in a way wishes. I didn't have that check coming in every two weeks because then I would have been crazy about building inside us to yell and who knows what that would have returned. Into but I can say this, you know, I would be what is the question. And why did I choose the question? I really don't know the question for me from for what I do what we do. We try to do is. How do you monetize the content you have? I can tell you. That's what's on my mind. That's what's on my mind. I feel like with TMA and with these podcasts, and then you can expand it to like the stuff Cam does K and needed on Cam wax to what Dan McLaughlin, and I did in this past cardinal off season. They're all these things you can do now that just five years ago you could not do. And they're so easy to do relative to what they used to be that I can immediately video broadcast to, if I if, if enough people are watching hundreds of thousands of people by setting up by holding my phone. I don't even need a tripod. I would put a tripod up and to be able to do that all by myself. That is that's you know, right now, it's commonplace, but five years ago that was not commonplace, the podcast, which is like a, like a joke. Now is everybody has a podcast we'll twelve years ago? Not twelve years ago, two thousand twelve so seven years ago when producer Joe came to be out this podcast idea. And we wanted to pitching it to we pitch it to Kyle Lohse to Keith. They were more from financial investment Keith could truck, and then Joe buck which is how it led to me and Joe buck doing a show fro week, which was the sickest guest list. Listen history of and s and can't imagine that will ever be duplicated. But that's, that's the time few people were doing a podcast, and I remember like kind of our business model was reflecting or attempted business models. Reflecting Adam Corolla and going. Yeah. Adam curls making a lot of money with us. This podcast thing could be big so you spotted. But then you will how do we monetize it? So that's the question. I asked. That's not, you know, and I don't know. I don't know. I my understanding what you're the one who said it into Pete's credit. You know, with all the, the, the great personalities we've had. His producers for TMA and kind of signature people that are still talked about, obviously, producer Joe texting through the show, hazing Agee all the time Pete, and this isn't a shot anybody else because they weren't they weren't given this charge. But Pete took the lead on a merchandise thing that I said, you can do it all you want. I think it was like a three hundred dollar investment. I think that's what it was. And I'm like, dude. I've done the merchandise thing. It doesn't work on, you know, and pizzas to me, as producer team, but brought on more for the business element because producing TMA is essentially oh, seven oh, seven let me hit the switch. Now, you might not agree with that. Maybe pete. You might not say that there's a little more to. But I said, I know your business background. That's why I'm intrigued with you, as producer what do you want to do, when you were big on the merge thing, my merge, and then it was like a three hundred dollar for real. That's it three hundred dollars and that's now into I don't even know. I mean, I guess it'd be responsible even star. Publicly talking about the, the total revenue is coming in off the shirts. But I know it's substantial in a major way and like every month or every other month, there's one that winds up hitting and if I'm not mistaken. The reason I bring that up because barstool big part of their growth was merch, huge part. Yeah. Still is a big. But yeah, oh my God. It's failing to even bigger now. But I'm just aware of it more now. But the question from my standpoint, anyway. That anybody in our position needs to answer before they make any move Ruth regard to expense on content is, how do we monetize this expense? You can't manage radio station or content distribution, platform, and therefore, I'm now covering radio podcast, Facebook lives periscopes, whatever it is that you'll YouTube, whatever all of those things, you can't have that management responsibility conducted properly without answering that question if you don't have an answer to how will we might now you might not be able to do it, but you have a plan in place to do it. And if you can't do that, if you can't answer that question than, than you cannot, you cannot, you cannot run it. You cannot run the offense like so often, I'm out. I'm not shitting on it at all. But feel like wouldn't it be great if Iggy and plow boy, went out and did this, and then did this, and I'm like, okay, well that's going to cost this for their time. And that's an it caused us to do this. And then we have been you can sell sponsorships. And then it's always. Yeah, but then you can sell sponsorships. Like I have to tell you. It's not that yeah. That, that. Yeah, but then you can sell sponsorships. It's like a throwaway line. Like, yes, of course, we have to be able to sell the sponsorships otherwise it's loss. And so you've seen a lot of media properties, whether it be locally or nationally run into problems, because they don't think of the second part of the equation, which is okay. Here's the expense. That's how are we going to get this not just break? Even we're not this isn't a fucking charity. How it's profitable how how you turn it into a profit. That's the question and the answer always has to be we have to deliver a return on investment for our clients. Otherwise, it's going to be a short-term sale. So what do we do that? Then delivers that return on investment. How do we monetize it? How of this amusing content of Iggy and plow boy, you know, hitting their ninth shots at Normandy, how do we turn that into actual dollars? The nice thing is now one of the toughest parts of the equation, which is the exp. Pence of getting that content shit playboy hold up your phone good. We're good. We're recording perfect. All right. Let's do it. That's what you can do now. So with regard to barstool for example, you know, we're driving down to game six. So Ryan Kelly has guy driving us Ryan's in the front seat, young page views is in the middle seed in the back seat of this. I don't know what it was escalate, I guess, is Ryan Kelly's wife, my wife and me. And then in the middle seat is a photographer cameraman for barstool who shooting everything, and they're shooting everything, and something amusing my come. If like we have a sudden, stop, and we all fall over the place. I SRI that's on barstool. That's on social media that to me. That's, that's smart. That's what I that's what I would love to do with TMA. I would love it's like we have this thing that isn't just limited to the six people on the show. I mean, there are some people who are celebrities again, with a loose definition of celebrity, but celebrities like when I'm out, and I'm with janey, the lesbian, for example. And I'm see somebody, adding a oh, by the way, this is my friend. This is janey the Leslie. Oh my God. You're janey them like they just met, Mick, Jagger, your janey the lesbian. So I recognize it. But again, it has to be monetize. So my charge for my consideration of what we might do is I gotta make sure I have people who can sell it, and who are always thinking of ways to sell it, and who see these opportunities because it's not just okay. We're, we're gonna sell you a hundred spots hundred thirties. It's gonna cost you want sixties. It'll cost this, we'll give you added value by banner out on our website. Let us know if you're interested. Okay. I'll take you to a cardinal game. That's not the way the game is played. It might still be played that way. But that's not the game will be played in five years shorter than that. And so I see it. But unless I know I have people who can think that way with me recognized that which we have and monetize it, then we have. Then we have something that I'm not interested in pursuing so that's really the the the core issue. So it's a long way of answering, I, I recognize the Portnoy thing you say I really liked Portnoy. I don't really know. Portnoy, I've never. Met the man, I only more familiar with him over the last few weeks, because the plaque the blues play the Bruins. And it became a whole barstool thing, but I recognize that especially with monster capital infusion, but debriefing before that he built something and the crux of the matter for anybody who gets it on our side of this, and it's a lot, it's Jalan. Don't get it. It's great. Oh, you had, so and so on the show. That's great. How do you monetize it? How you monetize it. That's that's, that's, that's it. Tell me about your wonderful idea, and your great podcast. How'd you monetize it? It's all I care about. And then for those who don't get it. Then I come off as the bad guy dot or doing all of this, and they're not. How do you think we should monetize it with? Nobody is just a host any nobody relieves ever just a host, but now it's clear. Nobody is just a host anymore. Nobody is just a producer anymore. You know, we're all playing all positions. And so that's the thought process that I have. And that's certainly what I would ask I'd love to hear people, you know, because people are going into this, new frontier and what their experiences have been. That's what fascinates me. You know, James Carlton of the Carlton state farm insurance agency is my insurance agent. So this is a first hand endorsement of James Carlton and his staff in Webster. Groves three one four nine six one forty eight hundred or go online at Carlton insurance dot net. I think a lot of people just go Kay. 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I remember listening to questions from the audience over the course of this playoff run in getting the feeling listening to you after the Winnipeg series that the blues were actually going to do it. There's a lot of hockey left to play. Why are you so confident? What did this team have that gave you that confidence? I want to say almost all or most of it had to come from bidding. Also now that the playoffs are over. What in the fuck is going on with the cardinals? How do you assess the situation? The seats gotta be getting somewhat hot for mode our right? What's wrong with this team buyer, seller's, etc? Was going to answer the first one, I answer, the second one I, because I liked the delivery of the writing candidly, I up until the last couple of nights the fascinating Marlins games. I have not really been watching the cardinals just to me. How can you? And then, then anytime one of my favorite rites of spring, because it puts me good mood. They know it's going to be warm for a few months when as much as I love college football. I'm kind of on edge. So I'm like fuck. It's to be cold against stand. It. Is to be watching a playoff hockey game. And it's just like you like snorting this incredible shit near on edge. And it's now you know the first period intermission and then you flip over the cardinal game. And it's like you just like crashing down. So I mean you can't go from one to the other, you know, you can't. So now I'm easing into the baseball season. And I think the rush of two months of Stanley Cup playoff hockey is going to make it very tough for me to invest emotionally in the cardinals, especially with this product also, I think the game is at a point now where it's strikeout or home run. And I know it's kind of like a narrative, like pardon my take pardon. The interruption skip Bayless type of thing that people say, but the stats actually back it up. And I really don't like that. I have just like three minutes ago. I said it was my favorite team, the eighty-five cardinals they hit like no home runs. So I don't know. I really I really thought and I'm not abandoning it right now. I mean. As we're sitting here three and a half games out of first. I think the I think the. The complaining about the team is a little overstated for where they are. Especially considering the lesson. We just got taught by the two thousand nineteen Saint Louis blues with that said there are three and a half out because they're in a shitty division their teams in second place. In other divisions that are ten back in their division. Rockies. Dodgers would be an example in the NFL west. So proper context, has always at least an attempt for it. Yeah. I think I thought Derek, here's recommended my recommended viewing his quest for the Stanley Cup on ESPN plus one hundred percent and my recommended reading would be Derek old Sunday article on the cardinals in their trades over the last few years. It's startling now. It's not anything that I was like, oh my God. They didn't get anything back for Luke void. What they didn't get anything back for Tommy fam-. What are you talking about, you know, aware of all of this? But like when it's laid out who it's rough be, and that's the thing. I guess I guess I'm gonna perform some auto Felicia here but I am. And if I'm right, then I mean, I'm right. Because if I'm wrong wrong, I'm not going to run from either. One. When people were complaining cardinals wouldn't spend money which I think die down with the Goldschmidt thing. But I guess it still goes on. I dunno. It's so odd to me. But there, I am using the word odd again, the cardinal when people can play has husband money, then Goldman, I said, it's I just don't believe that's the case. I said, what she should be keeping an eye on as their evaluation of the talent that they are either bringing in or that they are trading away or that they are saying is going to be the future, and then comes up doesn't do shit. And then they wind up trading away. That to me is where you have an issue. Now, if you went to like, get people sticking around through your T's, and hold build wit accountable for not giving out shitty contracts, even though he's given out some shitty contracts, then you can play that card. But the talent evaluation is the problem talion. I'll talent valuation is real scary real scary. And that to me is the core issue. It's not a lack of a willingness to spend money. But that's the thing that kinda gets a wing of the fan base going and you can play to that base. But that's not that's not the issue. But at the same time, look where they are. And look how they've performed and what I would tell you is there three and a half back and they're performing almost all of them below where their career numbers are the thing, though, that you need to keep in, in perspective. I need to keep in perspective on the one answering the question is that, you know, not? All these guys are twenty three years old. So, you know, there are some guys who are on the other side of thirty and it might not just come back just because that's where they have been in their careers. I'll tell you something that I'm stunned by how bad how bad not how bad how inconsistent how there are holes in the rotation. Spring training was doing that show with McLaughlin, and people are talking about adding another arm like why in the hell would they add another arm? And now look, it's like they should really add another arm. I think there's another arm there to add if they truly are all in as they said they were before the season. There is no reason for them not to start knocking on the door of take your pick of either on the east coast. The batting practice wounded max Scherzer or on the west coast. The guy who has owned them multiple times Madison Bumgarner, no reason not to do that. The brewers regressive in two thousand eight to get Sobat the earlier in the year before the deadline. There's no reason why the cardinals can't do that, if they really are believers that this team can do it. I don't know if they'd believe. I don't know what the hell they're doing with Jordan Hicks. It's an odd usage pattern. I also know money of you're like, yeah, I haven't really watched a game yet because I'm still like on a high from the blues and the Stanley Cup. So, you know, it ha- we haven't dug into it, but I'm, I'm confused by regarding John Mozelle seat being hot. I don't think that's the way that it would work. I'm not saying that it should or shouldn't be I'm just telling you. I think somebody else goes before he goes, he's the president of baseball operations, maybe they'd get rid of my Gersh, but I don't think Zell goes, I just don't. I mean Bill, the wit it takes a lot for him to part, ways, especially guy won a World Series and has been part of the organization for twenty years, you might not like that. But I'd say that's what I think, is the case. And then the first question time, I remember listening to Q F, T over the course of this playoff run and getting the feeling listening to you after Winnipeg the blues were actually going to win it now, we're going to do it. There's a lot of hockey left to play. Why so confident what did this team have that? Gave you that confidence. I wanna say almost all of it, or most of it had to come from Bennington the terrible answer. But it is the true. Truth, because when it happens and poker, and somebody says that they get like, like if it's a competent table, they get laughed out of there and everybody's like, oh, I got to get pot with this guy now because I know he's an idiot, I just had a feeling, but I just had a feeling that's the answer, and it's weird. It gave me peace in intense moments one, I can think of specifically was when they were down to nothing to Winnipeg in the third period of game five and Emmer thinking to myself. I know they're going to win the Cup. So either they're going to win this game or they're gonna win game six and seven and they're going to be fine because I know they're going to win the Cup. It's a weird thing. I know it sounds super weird. I think I've vocalized this though before they won the cop. So it's not like after the fact shit I just had the feeling I remember sitting with young page views at all and oak with me him, and Marie, like midnight the night after they lost game five to the stars and her down three two and it's going. Yeah. I think they're going to win. I think so too. I think there but I just went tomorrow, I think they were when the Cup and so that's why I was in a weird spot last Wednesday. The day of game seven which I'm glad we did that recording. Pete, you know beforehand him. We'll always have that and said, I think they're gonna win night. And apparently gave a lot of people. Piece, which was not my. I come in here and I just fucking talk. So if it winds up having a positive impact. That's great. I don't come in here and go, you know what I want to make people feel better because a lot of should I say, I'm sure about it makes people feel worse. But I want what I want to do is be honest. That's what I want to be. And I really thought they were gonna win and I had a bad feeling about game six which sucks because I spent money on those tickets. I didn't spend the money on the game. Seven seven tickets and going to Boston, which I was never close to doing. But I just had a feeling and so it was in a weird spot because I thought they were gonna win. I didn't wanna bet Boston, because I'm like it's going to be it's going to cost a lot of money for it to, like, be like, oh, that's okay. The blues loss. Because I just one this much because then if the blues did win and then I lost that much. That'd be like fuck the blues won the Cup. Holy shit. I just lost this much money. So it was just kind of like a Moceanu vulnerable. But that was the that's the truth. I don't know if the confidence came from a feeling from some six cents or just watching Jordan bidding play. In really being like yeah. He just doesn't let in the soft goals that were so used to seeing goaltenders for the Saint Louis blues give up. I don't know. But I just know that's, that's, that's where I was. And that's that's why I felt that way. Also in fairness, I mean the blues were the best team in the NHL from January third on this wasn't like some eight see that had been kind of fumbled fucking its way into the playoffs. I mean this was the best team in the league for four months going into it. But yeah, it just felt different than it's interesting. You know, you'll hear this coming up with the Cam Janssen relocating in ninety nine two thousand two thousand one two thousand to two thousand three there was this. I don't know. I guess the Red Wings, the Redwings wanted ninety eight I don't I can't rattle off Stanley Cup waiters. Like can with baseball winters. But there was this sense around the NHL that it was either. The devils the avalanche the Red Wings of the stars. We're gonna win the Stanley Cup. And then there was everybody else. But even in two thousand sixteen I think read says. This. He didn't really really feel like it was going to happen, even the should go, my God. They're currently they were they were the favorites over the penguins to win the Stanley Cup when it was down to the final four, and it still seemed foreign kind of like Missouri might win the SEC championship in college football. Like this thing is just the two don't Kwait you know, like they're not the same thing like Missouri in the championship. It's not possible during the national champions of pas. What's why it was? So weird wizar- became number one after being Kansas and do that. But then it became real. And it's like, yeah, they're gonna win the I had I guess, I shouldn't say front, I've gotten to know him here. He has a business and I wanted to by utilizing services and I don't know what the Tien was. I think his friend was involved with a team in the NHL. And, and this was before the playoffs, even started up when this guy was working with me on something. And he goes, my buddy called me and he goes, I gotta tell you something getting any sound like he was a Saint Louis and he just worked in the NHL. He goes, you'd better get ready for it because the cups come into Saint Louis this year. This is before the playoffs started is like the first week or two April. And he's like, like I loved hearing it put it like scared the fuck outta me to hear because we just don't haven't thought that way. Like like you never even even when they I mean you know they were they were leading the sharks in game five of the Stanley Cup Western Conference final in two thousand sixteen that wasn't long ago in yet it kind of became like they're going to the Stanley Cup final. And now they're now they've. Wanna game the Stanley Cup final in overtime game to and now they've even the series. And now it's going to game five and now they're up three two and it still feel like it. And this time last week, we were sitting here going, oh my God. They might come this close. And then after start at the very beginning, it's the worst thing yes, they would have gotten there but oh my God. To get back. We might never see it. And so many people who might be of a certain age going. I'm never going to see it, and that scared people, whether it be the people of a certain age, but probably even more so their kids, their grandkids. That's what I that's who I think it was more scared if the other people like fucking. Oh, I'm just happy. I can get out of bed. But that's what I think was going on. So to get it. Oh, it really. It's the greatest damn thing. I can't get enough of it. I can't get enough. It's like I just want more more coverage. It's like part of me is like love to give you the Cam Janssen reload podcast right now. But by the time you get it in four days, you're going to be viewed, it's not like you're gonna be like, oh yeah I remember ten days ago. The blues won the Stanley Cup. I guess I'll listen to it. 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The Rush Limbaugh Show Podcast - Jul 31 2020

The Rush Limbaugh Show

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The Rush Limbaugh Show Podcast - Jul 31 2020

"Welcome to today's edition of the rush limbaugh show podcast. No of course not I did not forget android auto. We just weren't able to. It. Wasn't released yet. All right. Thank you. Version. Of My L. Yes. That's right. The anniversary cake the birthday. The cupcake that I liked that you were chintzy about last time. We only got me one is there more one. Yeah. This one's lemon. This one is. A Lemon Lemon is program has never been a lemons so I don't get the connection. But. Any rate here we got a little little thirty second anniversary that program that let me hit the open line Friday jingle here. So we can stay on gentle. PROMOS Southern Command in Sunny South, Florida kid so good live. I'm a blow out the candle here folks. There we go. It's out. Women flavored is it all the way? Lemon, the cake and the icing district. Ohio lemon cream filling. All Right S- thirty second anniversary of the problem is actually tomorrow. And we I had no idea. Whether they're going to do something today or. Wait till Monday obviously, you did it today and we have some audio. We have some audio sound bites from from the past. Thirty seconds it's not like the thirty fifth fortieth I'm going to spend a whole lot of time, but we are going to go back. Because there's some real prussian stuff. Some of the things that I predicted when I was on with Mr Buckley on firing line in the early nineteen nineties that's coming up. And we had fireworks today Jim Jordan and Dr Foul Ci. Wait till. You hear this. If you have wanted pushback. That's what you're gonNA hear. Jim Jordan was just relentless. In in dealing with Dr found today particular when a great line we should we should we cancel the protests or should we get everybody protesting doctor found Jamie? What what do we do here? It's it's fascinating and you're going to love hearing an android audio. Some people have been talking about the fact that our our LIMBAUGH DOT COM APP is not ready for carplay. I've spent a couple of days this week extolling the virtues of it because I love carplay. You know me I love apple stuff and I love carplay and I've wanted our APP to be. carplay ready for months and we were in Beta testing for while it's ready now but there are a lot of people use android phones and they've been sending me emails who would lose woman didn't forget you. I know we have android users out there and even though I have never used an android phone in my life if you like it, that's great and we have carplay available for you. It was released today. android auto, which is the android version carplay also folk Caisley now, and then I read some novels than if I like them, I recommend them to you and I just started one. This week and I'm having I'm having a real trouble putting it down and I have to put it down because I have to make. Sure. That I get a lot of rest. It's not like the old days Reichen stamped at two o'clock and get up at six and I, could probably do it. But it wouldn't be wise. So I'm having to be disciplined and and and all that. But the book is by Daniel. Silva. And it's the latest in his Gabriel allon series that's called the order. And it's about the the Vatican. It's about Pope dying under mysterious circumstances. And the process that they go through to find a new, but it's it's it's deep and it's it's just intriguing as it can be. And from I mean halfway through the first chapter, you can't put it down. That's what I mean about having to be disciplined so and there's some others to. That I have found extremely fascinating, I'll have to go to my books. I read everything is a book now on my ipads so. I don't mean to leave anybody out here but the current book that has me. Immersed as the order just came out the last week or so by Daniel Silva. Folks. I need to extend. An apology to you for yesterday's. Program I was I was frustrated. I was in foul humor, the entire program yesterday. And I'm not going to tell you why it has nothing to do with you. But I was just in and nothing to do with me there's nothing in my health or anything like that. I was just in a foul humor it didn't take much. To set me off and I was I was afraid during the whole program that I was not able to put it aside in hydrophobic because one of the. One of the paramount. Requirements of professionalism is that you do not bleed on the audience you come in here have a bad day. It's not their fault so you don't lay off on them. You don't act like you're in a bad mood. You know treat them rudely or any of that, and I was afraid yesterday that I was in such a foul humor that I was not doing a good job. Of Shielding that from you because there were a couple of phone calls it just set me off yesterday. And I don't think I hid my frustration. At all and that's not good. So I need to apologize to the great thing about this is that even when you screw up or when you think you screw up. You have the next day to fix it. And today is the is the is the next day. I look I know that there are. Tons of you in the audience better frustrated beyond your ability to absorb much more I understand it. Understand that many of you tired of taking it on the Chin over and over and over. That there is no accountability. To you there's another reason I I I need to apologize. I've had people called me. Ever since the Attorney General announced his selection of John Durham. To investigate the silent coup that was designed to kick trump outta office. And every time somebody is called and asked me about it I have very honestly. answered. Yes I think there will be indictments. Yes I think there's going to be accountability and I'm not sure now. I'm not sure nat ticks me off, and if it ticks me off I, know you're ticked off. We've got the latest revelations of what was going on epsteins plane and his private island and we get. These The American elite rich. Have done a number on America's children. What what the Epstein. Apparatus did. Too Young teenage minor girls. Just destroyed their lives and they get away with it and they think they're cool at the same time, and now that it's widely known what happened there still isn't any accountability. Why? Because the F. B. I. had to run a silent coup to get trump. They weren't interested in what was going on with Epstein. He donates to so many donated to so many Democrat pet causes. Probably running a blackmail operation. He probably had videotape of everybody that ever entered one of his properties or his airplanes engaged. In. Any kind of pedophilia. Child Abuse Whatever the hell was going on there. No accountability for any of that. And when when the truly successful if you wanted to find wealth accumulation as a success. The power that comes with it when those people decide to throw morality aside. That filters down that's exactly there hasn't there hasn't been any. Pretense. There hadn't even been an effort to fake. Morality doing the right thing. It's just been a bunch of people. Focusing on pure hedonism for the. Simple gratification of it. With the full expectation, they're going to get away with it. So this latest bunch of documents has been released by the way the FBI has known this what I'm going to tell you. It's not Earth Shattering, but they've known it for for for. Many decades. How many times have you heard? It said that on Epsteins Lolita Express his seven twenty, seventy two or three airplanes is seven, twenty, seven stubby short version of it. And he g four, fifty anyway and maybe another one. And how many of you have heard, oh. Yeah. Bill Clinton was but he was never no no. No. No nobody ever saw Clinton with. Anita girl nobody BS. The latest document released Clinton was down there at the Little Dick Dick. Big Dick Island the guys island with with with with two women of. Dershowitz Dershowitz. Deny it again, I demand to be faced in court with my accuser and so forth. But. It was always reasonable to expect it. Clinton was in the middle of all this it would have been unreal. Were he not? Anyway, the latest documents that they finally have some relationship to because of Kgalena Maxwell have been released in the F. B. I. has known. About The allegations made by the women young girls who were part of the. Harem that Epstein, and Maxwell, assembled for his invited guests. They knew it. The documents that were released today. This week are not shocking to the people who Released them. They've known it. So it just I understand the frustration folks. In the midst of all this, we've got one fighter. At. The top tier level and that's Donald. Trump. He's our only fighter. and. I know that you want more pushback and I know that there's something else frustrates you. Talk about a lot nine, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight there was a media monopoly. He had the three networks to newspapers and that was it nine, thousand, nine hundred and use prior and they owned everything. They owned what was news and what didn't get reported. They owned commentary they literally owned. The concept of what the American people were told. In the form of news then eighty-eight comes. This program debuts. Now, the purpose of this program was not the bust up the drive-by media monopoly. The purpose of this program is to be financial success and to do that, it had to be a ratings success. So had to be genuinely successful. This program's objective was acquire the largest audience possible and hold that audience for as long as possible. So as to be able to charge confiscatory advertising rates that was the business plan. There was no business plan that said and while we're at it, we're gonNA destroy the Stream media monopoly. We're GONNA destroy the Democrat Party of we're GONNA do this we're GonNa do that. Those things just happened that the business model did not include the host becoming famous was never an objective. Just happened. Very fortunate. By the way I'm glad that I've never been one of these people seeking fame fee seeking famous half of what's wrong with social media but anyway. Your frustration is totally understandable since one, thousand, nine, hundred, this massive new conservative media has shot up. It starts with this program. Then this program spawns local conservative radio talk shows. Then this program gets a TV complex for four years ninety two to ninety, six television and radio and two books that sold eight million copies total ten million actually to count the hardcover. Then national conservative talk shows. Hosted by Hannity who was one of my first guest house and it just explodes Fox News. Nineteen ninety-six nineteen ninety seven so you're out there thinking. Ever since this conservative media started and got bigger and bigger and and bigger and more, it seems like the left is in control of everything than they've ever been and your perception of that is somewhat true. And I've blamed myself for this. I think what's happened is that with this program debut in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight, and then everything that happened as a result other local talk shows than other national talk shows this program being on TV in the books. Others getting national radio shows then Fox. News coming I think. That forced the drive by media out of their phony Baloney plastic banana good time rock and roller comfort level. In. The old days the drive by media said Yeah we're objective and we're fair we're not biased and we're not liberal. You know the drill. Well. Now, none of that's now they are as liberal and they are as biased and they are proud to admit it and they have gone to war and that. I think is the result of the success. Of Conservative media, but I can understand you all. If you're out there the success of conservative media, and by the way it's not forget the websites and the blogs I mean it's massive. This call it conservative media alternative I mean, it's massive now. Compared to what existed in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, it is massive and I wouldn't blame you if you are looking at all this and wondering why the how the hell. Can. So, many young people be choosing communism and Marxism. When there has been this explosion in conservative media that their parents were listening to or watching. It's not as though conservatism has been hidden and you needed a certain pass code or password or secret decoder ring. To access it, all you've had to do is turn on a radio station or TV network or What. Have you? So with with the at the same time, conservative media is exploding. and. Well, Ming, and destroying the media monopoly the left. Why? In the world while this is happening are more and more young people becoming communists. And I'm just telling you I understand. Your frustration. Now we throw on. The virus. How we attach the forest destruction of our economy. You add all of that and what the forced destruction of the economy is what the Kuroda virus out there being means means everything that used to be normal and all the things that used to provide. Happiness and contentment don't. And so people are are trying to find replacements. Or they are hoping that there's some kind of return to normalcy or they are hoping that. Somehow something happens. That destroys these the political sense on the left. They don't deserve to be winning anything. They're literally destroying the country and there doesn't seem to be. But one guy at the top tier level pushing back and trying to stop it. So I I understand your frustration more than more than you think. I. Do but I don't think. The situation is bleak as I described it I'm simply trying to. Express it as I think many of you are thinking about it, it's a legitimate question to ask with the rise of all of this conservative media which didn't exist thirty two years ago. How in the world have America's young people become a bunch of Commie Pinko. SOB's. The answer is they all aren't they all have it but Affluent White. College educated women have anyway I. GotTa. Take a break folks. Sit Tight. We have a lot to squeeze in today. So. I just got an email. I check it during the break. Dear Mr Limbaugh. How the Hell is Bill, Clinton was at Jeffrey Epstein's private island with young girls. How is that not the lead story in every newspaper and Cable Show in America today? Why isn't the view? All over the story today condemning the atrocious slaved sex trafficking of Epstein and Bill Clinton. Legitimate question and commonsensical times. Babes at the view are going to all of a sudden start condemning bill. Clinton. You think the viewer going start defending the women who were part of the Jeffrey. Epstein. Pedophilia ring. The victims. What planet you live in on? You people remember the name Nina Burleigh Nina Burleigh wrote for Time magazine. During the early nineties when slick willy was President Nina burleigh actually wrote. That she wanted to give Bill Clinton a Lewinsky as many Lewinsky's has he wanted. Just for making sure that he kept abortion safe and legal. How is bill? Clinton was an Epstein Primeval young girls not the lead story. Is How hard are working to suppress it. I'm much argument is there in newsrooms about it. Welcome back folks open line Friday rush limbaugh EIB network, the Milwaukee Journal. The Journal Sentinel newspaper, they're reporting that the home opener for the Milwaukee brewers. Is Off Because of positive tests to the Saint Louis Cardinals, covert nineteen cardinals just came in Minnesota where they were playing tweaks twins. Who by the way? Those twins uniforms are really pretty those home powder blue things have to say. Anyway this is Tom Hi records the journal Sentinel thing I have confirmation brewers home opener is off because positive test with the Saint Louis Cardinals. Cardinals just came from Minnesota so this bad news for the twins well. I'm guessing there'll be no games at Miller Park in Milwaukee this weekend. Oh boy. Seems like a problem going forward out there. Maybe if everybody wore goggles. And Masks. Then everything would be okay. Doctor seems to think so. So the Miami Marlins, they're they're they're Femi, I mean not officially for the season but. Now. The cardinals probably know games Milwaukee this weekend. The NBA, they had their OB NBA had their opener and everybody kneeled. Everybody meals for the national anthem. And Charles Barkley was on television defending. The people. Who didn't want to Neil? It's gotten to that point the people who want to stand for the national anthem in the NBA. Are The people who have to be defended. not the people who are kneeling in opposition to the anthem in opposition to the country, they don't have to be defended. But the people who don't want to kneel people who wanNA. Express their appreciation and honor for the national anthem for the country. Barkley felt the need to defend them lest they be exposed and open for attack. Okay. Let's get started with the anniversary audio soundbites. We don't have a lot. It's an off year thirty, two year anniversary is tomorrow thirty, two years. On the same program and thirty of those years have been spent. As the legitimate genuine most listened to. Radio, talk show in the country, a legitimate number one so. I've always. been underestimated. One of the many who has. I'm sure many of you in this audience. have grown up being underestimated by people in your own family by friends by people didn't know you. And I just want you to know that I am one of those. and My mother had to deal with this. When I was in kindergarten. Now they call kindergarten training school when I was growing up the kindergarten was part of the university is one of the University of South, is Missouri State College. And the the. Kindergarten up there we went to call the training school wide just was. and My mother told the story of being summoned. By. One of the training school teachers to come in for a conference. About her son. The train school to call it. And one day the teacher who's now gone. Head being for conference like she did all the parents she said if fresh does she called fresh fresh doesn't change. His ways he'll never grow. To be the man his grandfather is his father. Friends figured four years old. Four years old and a teacher called her in to tell her if. My name growing up with rusty rusty doesn't change his ways. I'm four years old rusted to changes ways. He'll never grow to be the man, his grandfather certainly not the man is potter. My mother just laughed it all off. She never bought any of this stuff. The kind of mother that got worried about this stuff she just yesterday yesterday three bags Fulham. And then. I didn't even know this had happened until she's telling this story. For. One of the videos we produce now let's go. Let's review a segment of the sixty minutes profile of me which happened October sixth. Nineteen ninety-one. And during this portion of the segment on me, this is where they let everybody know. That everybody knew I wouldn't last. Not a chance I was a flash in the PAN simply a fan of called you with sexist. People call you a HOMOPHOBE, right? Are you? Of course not I'm none of those things I. Am I am simply someone who views. Events in life and comments on I have my own version of what's right and wrong you've also been called. In pumps well. I call it confidence. We'll heads a rush limbaugh task force for the gay and Lesbian Alliance against defamation I don't know how more clear it can be. He says, Limbaugh is just the latest in a long line of Radio and TV hate-mongers. The majority of the American people are not it's and when they find out about rush limbaugh types as they about Martin, Downey, junior, and when they found out about Andrew dice clay, they step in and and such people's careers take a dive and you think that's what will happen to rush limbaugh I think so. In his dreams, it's not going to happen in his dreams but you see this is nine hundred, ninety one. This is three years after the program began look what happened. People call you sexist people call you on homophobic people call you a big. Are. You know of course not? Prior to nine hundred, Eighty, eight program started nobody had ever accused me of the any of those things nobody thought. Nobody who knew me? I hated anybody in fact people who knew me thought to be suspicious of more people than I was. that. I was too trusting. That I didn't recognize enemies that I had out there and I don't want to go for your wife that way. But this is this is sixty minutes nineteen. Ninety one. So this is. Thirty one years ago and Or thirty years ago and he's and it's nothing has changed. Nothing says you conservatives obligatory racist sexist big HOMOPHOBES now up next this is a well, we got time to squeeze two-minute Twenty, two second montage. Of all of the contrived controversies over these thirty two years. Dozens of times the drive by media dozens of times the Democrat party thought. They had finally done it. They had found a way to get rid of me or that I had stepped in it. I had created my own controversy I created my own mistakes I was finished. I was done. Of course still here. Thirty two years later still here and of course, you know why? It's real simple. The people in the media did not make me. They're not the reason you began to listen. I am. If I was the product of media hype than they could kill me, they could take me up. But they had nothing to do in fact from the moment i. Started my National Progress Nineteen eighty-eight did try. To do great damage to me in the program. I have never been a beneficiary of media buzz or hype. So, always been negative. So here's a montage of the various controversies over the years and the things people have said that they were convinced I was either guilty or finished listen rush limbaugh to the left you sort of like an aching tooth. They can't stand him that they can't leave him alone. The growing firestorm over comments made by rush limbaugh that huge firestorm developing after rush limbaugh's controversial comments dragged off the radio with you rush limbaugh have three hours say whatever he wants and there's no truth detector rush limbaugh found himself on the hot seat last week rush limbaugh influential. Sure. But powerful some say even with Limbaugh's vast audience now condemn limbaugh's remarks. The National Organization for women are demanding clear channel, hold him off the air altogether heaven help us if they think they cause Russia's demise controversy bring right now in Washington rush limbaugh on the attack Herman Nazis feminists are not. Limbaugh decided to mock the Chinese President Open Mouth Insert career will be the demise demise demise of rush limbaugh. What year is this limbaugh shut your cake hall get rush Limbaugh Shut up radio's biggest name rush limbaugh surprising news Ramaz listeners heard a stunning announcement. Rushlimbaugh hasn't salted and hurt every woman in America I rise this morning to say to rush limbaugh shame on you. We'll put Rogers born I'll post a long time it's been popular and everyone limbaugh had some defenders but they were drowned out by those protests on the left rush limbaugh. This is kind of his business model. Will this hurt the rush limbaugh brand serious advertise rebellion I haven't seen a backlash of this magnitude involving. Limbaugh needs to be fired. I think that he should not be on the air rush limbaugh. Today's worst person in the World Democrats are calling for an apology from limbaugh for calling troops phony soldiers I co signed a letter to the chairman of clear channel Mark Main Rush Limbaugh went way over the line way over the line rush limbaugh's controversial bid to buy the Saint Louis Rams at the NFL. When you listen to rush limbaugh, it's troublesome rush limbaugh of the woods. I hope he fails at that moment the rest of the year has been just this big discord toxic atmosphere rush limbaugh. Now they're saying he's on his way out of it may be that rush is too big to. Rush limbaugh too big to fail what was the culmination? So all of this over thirty two years they thought that it was over for me, they were GonNa make it happen. Every one of their polling results in focus groups told them that I had done too much now overstepped of. This past February fourth in Washington DC almost every American family knows the pain when a loved one is diagnosed with a serious illness here tonight is a special man. Beloved by millions of Americans who just received a stage for advanced cancer diagnosis this is not good news but what is good news is that he is the greatest fighter in winter that you'll ever meet rush limbaugh. Thank you. For your decades tireless devotion to our. And Rush. In recognition of all that you have done for our nation, the millions of people day that you speak to and that you inspire and. The incredible work that you've done for charity. I am proud to announce tonight that you will be receiving our country's highest. Civilian honor the Presidential Medal of freedom. Magin all these people after thirty two years of trying to undermine me. The story mean the programming. So imagine how you reacted all those who had predicted that I would not last. Four with hatred. No. I will now ask the first lady of the United States to present you with the honor. please. Here's some booze out there among the. Booze. How much Hey, we gotta get out of it. I had no idea. This thing was three minutes long I thought it was thirty seconds long time there at the end the way long ago back after this. By the way there's polling data out there Rasmusen Trump Java proven get this. Trump's drive approval has jumped a net five points overnight. And he's now at fifty percent approval forty eight percent disapproval. This is best day on Rasmusen, since. February, it's a jump of eleven net points. In two days two days ago. Trump was at forty, five, fifty, four, forty, five, approval, fifty, four, disapproval. is a huge jump. I don't know we'd have to go back and. Catalog what has happened in the past couple of days what's been said, what's been tweeted? It's this is a massive got also as you will hear coming up. Jim Jordan. Questioning Dr vouches. A rational hearing it was it folks it was so hard. For Adopted a foul gene to admit that protests and riots spread covid nineteen, he did not want to have to admit that. He did not want to have to admit that protests and riots spread the virus. Why? What's so hard about admitting that when he's a doctor when he doesn't have any concerns other than health why is that so hard to admit? WHO's he protecting? You. Know and also about about that. We're told that when you protest and when you riot that you do not get the virus. Nope I that's what they've told us. Or even worse they have said go ahead and protest go ahead and participate even if you get the virus protesting trump and protesting America is worth it they have said. But my question is this since the NBA players they're kneeling. Maybe baseball players kneeling maybe that's the way to stop the spread of the virus. And Major League Baseball should listen to people like Dr Fao g and the others. and start protesting from them. I mean the moment the pre-game begins when the anthem plays protested. Because, they are telling us. You know they've heard it. You've heard it. They are saying that protesters. Do not spread the virus if you go to church. You're going to spread the virus. If you go to a funeral, you WANNA wedding you're to spread the virus you go to school. You gotta spread the if you joined the protest march, burn down a building. Through volatile cut tells you are not going to get the virus you're not going to spread it and you're not gonna get an. That's what they said folks. All right if you are on hold. And we didn't get to you in this hour. It means that your call is not seen as valuable. Just. Kidding trying to lighten it up from yesterday folks meet beat be patient you are coming up we'll get to your soon. And greetings show you music lovers, thrill seekers conversationalist on across the fruited plane broadcast excellence on Friday. Let's go. From the Southern Command in Sunny? South Florida kids open line. Why do? You guys not renege. Move the hurricane track closer to us at the eleven o'clock. Right Spoke to go buy out there as a category one if my. Calculations are writing if they're track is right. And it's going to change some Probably twenty miles offshore. Now most of the convection. and. Most of the action of this hurricane is to the east side of it. But don't let that foyer because if it gets close enough to us, that means that the northeastern quadrant GonNa? Be Blowing right on us from the north so. Supposed to go by as a category one. Great. To have your windows my friends at telephone number open line Friday is eight, hundred, two, eight, two, two, eight, eight, two, the email address elrushbo at eibnet dot us trump's. Daily Tracking Poll Rasmussen reports is indeed back to fifty percent. And it's you know it's remarkable. We are. We've been told that Americans love rioters. Told what is it sixty? Four percent of the American people support black lives matter and support the protests and support the rioting. We're told that the American people now supports sixty five percent support. Me Link during the national anthem that was a CBS poll that I had yesterday. We're told that a majority American people think the police need to be defended. We don't like the police anymore. So. How does trump's approval numbers up to fifty percent? And it just. Eleven days ago it was forty, five, fifty, four, forty, five, appro- Fifty, four percent. Disapproval here's something else. This is this is a Hill Harris? Poll. Trump's approval on the economy and jobs holds steady amid the economic downturn. So despite bite me and the Democrats and the media is best efforts New Hill Harris poll says that trump's job approval rating on the economy and jobs Is Holding steady fifty three percent of registered voters approved the president's job in the economy. That's only a one percent drop from the previous survey fifty, four percent approved of how trump is working to create jobs. You know this is strange because earlier this week. There polls out there that. That showed Biden with a slim majority. People think he'd be better dealing with the economy then trump and a even larger majority thought by doing better with the virus than trump. Now, those are both head scratchers do they can't possibly can. There is no way that any informed person has any idea how Joe Biden will do on anything. Joe Biden hasn't said what he's going to do anything in a cogent way. Joe Biden hadn't come out of the basement Joe. Biden's not in any way shape matter form traditional candidate. So. Applying traditional analysis traditional poll analysis to Biden evicts total waste of time. There's never been a candidate like, Biden you've got a guy not running. You've got a guy hiding in a basement. You got a guy who can't even read a teleprompter without screwing it up. So Anyway we have folks a couple of more Soundbites. From the anniversary portion of the program today and I mentioned this in the in the previous hour. How prescient? I was. You talk about cutting edge societal evolution these Bites are both from September Sixteenth Nineteen ninety-two. When I did my guest appearance on firing line hosted by William F. Buckley Junior. And two bites. Here's the first cockamamie idea now that we've got to get rid of the surnames of sports teams because they all of a sudden after all these years have become offensive like chasing the news out of Dartmouth yes. Yes. Artsy. The Washington redskins football team is offensive and you got to get rid of the term redskins and so forth, and all of a sudden can't do the Tomahawk Chop can't do this as a fan at Atlanta Braves baseball game with that supposedly offending native Americans nineteen, Ninety two. How many of you young people think this is a brand new thing that people upset about. No no no. This is something this has been brewing since the nineteen ninety s even before that. And the and the thing to learn from this is that once the left cats on something they don't let it go. And it's been a trademark. The left gets on something at immediately. It's something the odds are we're going to oppose. So we are mmediately on the defense. But if we get tired. If. We get worn out. And eventually stop talking about it. They're going to prevail and carry the day and guess what? Because of the corona virus. All of a sudden. Now, all of these left wing Greaves because George. Floyd and because of all the riots and protests got everybody wants to appease the left everybody wants to get them to stop burning down buildings throwing Molotov cocktails. So okay you want to get rid of Redskins we'll get rid of redskins. The thing nobody learns. Is that they're never happy when they get what they want. They always want more and there's no end to this. So for those of you who think that the attack on the Washington Redskins is a racist bigoted name is something new. You're a young person. You didn't get something new and you're making your bones on it and you're really feeling good because you think it's a rotten racist thing and you want us. It's nothing new. And the thing you need to know. They've changed the name they've announced they're going to change. They don't know what the new name is yet they're calling him now the Washington football club. And even though we've gotten rid of the name Redskins, there's nobody happy. Even celebratory happy that they have one, but they certainly aren't happy that the name Redskins. Is Gone I also I warned everybody September Sixteenth Nineteen ninety-two multiculturalism the reprogramming of American children. Here we go. That was it yes I mean the attempt to redefine Christopher Columbus as the reason for all evil in the Western world and I always say to people and that's what multiculturalism is all about bill and I'm troubled by these are American. Kids that are being reprogrammed stop think this what does multiculturalism? It is teaching people that which they fled in order to come here to find prosperity a better life what have you and I think multiculturalism is a tool of revenge used by those who fail. Re tribalisation absolutely absolutely, and to try to convince kids growing they have no chance in this country. These are American kids and they're being educated in ways that are not gonNA prepare them to access the opportunities that exist here. Buckley was so great. INVITATION TO RE tribalisation. I'm sitting there saying. Invitation retrial is Asia. It's exactly right I'm the another way of saying Balkanisation. But it was just it was one of the greatest is so so damn to been able to meet Mr Buckley into. End UP HAVING HIM BE A. Friend. So many funny. Wonderful evening spent at his. maysonet. Seventy. Third and Park Avenue and Mason. That's different than a condo different than an apartment. It's different than the PSG dare. and. His was a was a mason. Mason. It is. First floor has entrances on two different streets. That's amazing it. There's an Airy A. E. R. I e that's an airy and airy is a really cheap studio. That somebody of great fame lives in. So you call it an area to make it sound like it's elite and expensive and so forth when it When it really isn't okay Yet, let's do eight nine because I mentioned this as well. Last night TNT. Coverage of the restart of the NBA season. Now before a game between the new, Orleans Pelicans and the Utah Jazz. After both teams note. During the national anthem the analyst Shaquille O'Neal's said a beautifully done. Done in unity nicer. See is very important that you speak up very important that you speak your mind. So we use our voice to bring awareness. Now we have to go vote we have to continue to fight continue their moment again I'm proud of everybody. So basketball game for crying out loud. Shaquille, O'Neal doing NBA Basketball Analysis. Talking about the kneeling was beautifully done done. Any Unity Watch really hard choreography. I bet trading everybody to kneel at the same time much NBA players that may be a challenge but Shaquille O'Neal was very honored and very proud of how well they did. Great. To see it. He said. I think it's very important to speak up very important speak your mind. Oh No. If you speak your mind and it's not what people like Shack WanNa hear, and then you better be prepared to shut up. The left doesn't want to hear what you have to say they only want they've got confirmation bias. You say what they gray with they say what they wanna hear your fine other than that shut the hell up. And then shacks now we gotta go vote we got to continue to fight. We got to continue to movement proud of everybody it's a basketball game. Up next TNT's coverage of the restart the NBA season before a game between the new. Orleans Pelicans in the Utah Jazz. After both teams now during the anthem and after Shaquille, O'Neal praised the choreography and urged everybody to go vote. Charles Barkley my thing is listened and that's not the main different things to different people I'm glad these guys all unified where the people are people don't kneel. They're not a bad person I wanna make that perfectly clear I'm glad they had unity but we have a guy who doesn't WanNa Neil. The anthem means something to him he should not be vilified. Show what what what what happened in here. This ladies and gentlemen is how screwed up we are the people who stand for the anthem need to be defended. The people who kneel during the anthem are praised. Has Great and committed to the cause and getting ready to go out and vote out there and participating in great choreography beautifully done done in unity. Nice to see all the kneeling. But, Chuck Barkley had to weigh in. Hey there's some guys that don't want to kneel and we can't vilify these guys. Just. Because you don't want to kneel doesn't mean you are a bad person. I want to make that perfectly clear. I'm glad to head unity. But if we have a guy who doesn't want to kneel 'cause and the means something to him, he should not be you believe this. We have to because we saw we heard. The people. Who WanNA stand in honor. Of the flag to stand in honor of the anthem stand in honor of America have to be defended. Okay. I mentioned DR FAO G Jim. Jordan. This, the hearing today this is the House oversight and Reform Select Subcommittee on the coronavirus crisis. That Who is the National Institute of? Infectious Diseases Director. Testify, we have three bites here. These are great. This is representative Jim Jordan Republican Ohio I. Found g the protests increased. The spread of the virus is that is that true? Do protest increase the spread of the virus? I think I can make a general statement or half a million protestors on June six eleven. I'm just asking that number of people does increase the spread of the. Crowding together particularly when you're not wearing amassed contributes to the spread of the virus should be limited protesting I'm not sure what you mean. How do we say limit the protest? You make all kinds of recommendation comments on dating on baseball and everything. You can imagine I'm just asking you just said protests increase the spread. I'm just asked you should we try to limit the pro I? Think I would leave that to people who have more of a position to do that. Now why this is I xe Sir. What's so hard about this for Dr Algae? Why was it so hard for knocked out G to admit that protests Spin Kovin. I mean Jordan. Zeroes in. So you make a lot of recommendations of their divulging. where the mask don't wear the mask socially distance don't socially distance. Don't go to funerals don't go to church. Be Very careful if you're dating out, they're being very careful. You can't go to Baseball Games Kengo Football Games can open those up yet schooled may be. So, doctors found she has an answer for whether or not. This activity or that should or should not happen in relation to spread the virus Jordan's GonNa Protest. Protests, increase the spread just asking. Should we try to limit the protests that he did not want to say? Yes. Why Why was it so difficult for Dr Fouled Shave. To come down on protesting who is knocked that a foul cheap protecting. WHO IS DR FAO G hurting why? Why is this? So hard to we have time for what let me take him into more on getting the other two on the side. Saw On July twenty four th said that his avoiding planes and restaurants. On June, thirty. Stopped going to bars doctor devout tells Americans. Going to bars is avoiding airplanes restaurants. But the protest March? I I don't know what are you asking me congressman I'm simply saying, should people avoid the protests if the protests spread the virus? We have a conclusive data suggesting he was really difficult for. Foul G, to this of Audi tests cabinet, go to the phones will play the other two foul CI Jordan Bites. Waiting Long Time here's mark in South Bend. Indiana thank you for waiting. Appreciate it. You're up first today hello sir. No. Worries rush interesting how your voice has changed over the years but your ideas and thoughts have it and that's a good thing. That's that's I'm glad you made. One thing you can count on whatever you think I believe whatever my core values are. They're not up for sale they're not up for grabs. They are what they are and they have been consistent for thirty two years and counting. Thank you for noticing that right is right right. I was just going to point out that back in the nineties you always used to say the term we are winning and I haven't heard that in a long time and I'm just curious and I, and I'll hang up after this but are we still winning I'm. Were you don't get a good question. I'm not gonNA, run away from the questions thoroughly why did you give this call? Why did you give me this call? I'm just kidding folks just kidding. No I'm just kidding it's actually a good quite back in the nineties. There's no question that we were winning. We were sending the house for the first time in forty years of Republicans win it a made me an honorary member to freshman class. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, five. We were winning left and right now we we'd lost the presidency and ninety two slick willy. We got it back in two thousand with George W Bush. But no, we were ascending. There's Fox News was starting up. That was nineteen, ninety, six, hundred, Ninety, seven. I had four years on TV and folks I. I just didn't like it is why I step down I you know. It's not like I wasn't working hard. I mean I'd radio show a couple of books. And TV was frustrated because I don't clap rate. I've never had one meeting. To do this program I've never had to have a meeting anybody. I've never had a coordinate with anybody what I'm GONNA. Do I've never had to plan in advance what I'm GonNa do here other than. Staying informed doing show. PREP. Television. G The meetings longer than the show. Hi Welcome back open line Friday. So no question we were winning in the nineties we were ascendant. The. Especially, if you want to define winning as an expanding and expansive alternative media. That was overwhelmingly and resoundingly success, and are we winning two day Well We, we don't have the the same growth if you will. That we had late eighties throughout the nineties the. so-called conservative movement has matured. In fact, you know what I would say. I think we've even had some defections I I think they conservative movement. Well, you know we have AIDS starting with the never trumpers. But I had I had somebody sent me a note I really don't want to make this about me, but but this note that I got yesterday. From somebody was it meant it meant a lot to me and it was along the lines of you know rush the one thing, thirty, two years, and you are who you are. And you have not, you have not changed a substantive thing, your entire life or career. And the person making these comments to me. Was Giving me examples of how? Other. So called conservative institutions can't say that anymore. Either institutionally or individually in terms of the people that work at these various. Places. and. That's true. There isn't. A unity of purpose on our side. Now, there's not a unity even. If. We have some people on our side who just so. discombobulated by trump. That it has. Forced them to abandon what are their core beliefs? It's the most amazing thing to me. Is that people who ostensibly were being honest with us about their conservatism and the things that they believe. And they've been asking us to donate to their think tanker there 'cause are subscribed to their magazine and here in the first three years of the trump administration so much. Policy wise that they had devoted their lives to was being implemented. Judges were being nominated and confirmed the economy we had. Massive tax cuts that were implemented. We had unemployment at a record low and the people. who had extracted money from us so that they could continues so they could be the intellectual leaders of the movement in the 'cause. Abandoned us. Started proudly claiming they're gonNA vote Democrat. Wait a minute. Don't you guys realize it everything? You've devoted your lives to is being implemented here. Well. I can tell you why they were upset. Because it was happening without them. They thought by abandoning trump they would be taking trump out. The people I'm talking about the intellectuals and never trumpers. They really did my friends think they lead and ran the conservative movement so-called? And they thought. That when they abandoned it when they took their ball to went home. When they started dumping on trump they thought the conservative movement would go with them. And of course, it didn't. People waved goodbye to them. And what they had to come to grips with and realize was that they never were that important. To the cause to the movement that was something that existed largely in their egos in their heads. And so bad orangemen comes along. Who they think can't hold a candle to them terms of Iq. Elite Status Vocabulary and all these things that really matter. They were just beside themselves that this ogre could come along and implement that which they had failed to implement. They kept asking for money kept asking for donations for the cause. But trump comes along and actually succeeds in the did it without them So No, we're not in terms of a movement we're falling apart. I. Think. In in especially in comparison to the. Unity of exists. Now, the unity in the nineties is also something that needs qualification because we weren't actually totally unified there were competitive. Relationships that occurred in the nineties there were there were there were people in the conservative movement who didn't like the fact that I. Prominent. In it because I. Didn't have IVY LEAGUE OR FORMAL EDUCATION PEDIGREE I had not worked nearly as hard as they had I came out of nowhere nobody hurt him some guy on the radio just spouting what I think. I'm getting fame and fortune these guys have been the laboring away in the Basements of obscurity nobody knows where they are begging for money donations. So if the unity really never totally existed, but at least there was. A sense that the Democrats were worthy of defeating. that the left needed to be defeated. That doesn't exist today either. Among there's no unity on our side that has to happen. You WanNa. Talk about the most frustrating things about. Doing this. At this moment in time is that. We have people some cases prominent people on our side. Who Do not you know the drill here they don't see the country in crisis. They don't think anything's wrong. Certainly nothing earth shattering that getting rid of trump won't fix. But. I, think, overall, we continue to prevail the left folks still has not one. They have to lie to themselves about their successes. They have to institute. All kinds of Communists Socialists Orthodoxy, they can't stand. For A. Alternate point of view to be aired there are no way confident that their ideas prevail. They don't. They're not at all even worried about persuading people. Because in their world, you force people to agree with you or punish them. But I think. The real perception that we're losing. Is Not. Very all. I. Think it's a you can trace it back. To covid nineteen. Because folks. We were on a roll until covid nineteen hit. Trump was on the way to A. Reelection victory that was going to be landslide and reporters, and one of the reasons that plugs. was, the Democrat nominee was so they wouldn't lose somebody that. They really think is a star I mean Biden. Okay. so He's eighty three. If he loses, they haven't lost anything you pay the guy off he's been at all warhorse. LET HIM RUN FOR PRESIDENT SO FORTH That's one of the reasons Biden was a nominee because they didn't think they got a chance of beating trump. So. Don't nominate somebody that's going to be damaged by losing nominate somebody like Biden then covid nineteen hits an all out the window. Covert nineteen hits. So what do we do? We shut down the country shut down the economy in two months less than two months. We destroyed three years of work. Three years that led to the biggest roaring economy in anybody's lifetime. It's gone. And now we got people advocating the shutdown again. To make the destruction of the economy complete. That's right. American left the Democrats want another shutdown to make the destruction complete I. Tell you that prior to covid nineteen we were winning we were on a roll we were having fun Democrats were frustrated and it was fun to watch the matter what they did blue walk on them all the impeachment hearings Muller report everything they tried blew up in their face like they were. Odie. Weird thing is that the? Republican base. By every poll, the Republican base is unified. The Republican base supports trump at a higher rate than any modern history, a president including rating. What is it? Ninety? Five, ninety, six percent of the Republican Party supports trump even now. We'll get back to the phones and the Jim Jordan. Doctor of FAO G, soundbites right after this. Right. Let's stick with this theme. For a little while this is nick in Minneapolis you're next on open line Friday. Great to have you here Sir. Hi. Rush Thirty two anniversary DITTO. Thank you sir. Thank you and I. WanNa go on Record I. Think we are winning. We look forward we got trump in office. He fight through optimism got a can-do approach and that same contagious passion that I see him and the fight is credit to me when I look at the future, which is folks like candice, Owens Charlie. Kirk Brandon Tate on all these young amazing conservative leaders and I don't think the game ever ends and. What was the third one? You mentioned candidate Charlie Kirk. Was the third Landon Tatum tatum. He's another friend and tatum he's another amazing conservative crandon. And so I don't think the game ever ends and so when I look at canvas and compare her to the the last has folks like AFC and Ilhan moment love our chances you know. So I think there's a lot to be optimistic about and I just thank you so much for you what you do and God bless you. While you're more than welcome and I'm glad you call those are those are some names that you have mentioned Charlie. Kirk. Candice Owens and and and they're fearless. And they are specifically like Kirk has started turning point USA. It is a College Kid College Age Group Young People. Who are who are conservative and really is important because those are the people that have been targeted for the past two generations. in the public school system and of the university level. And their minds have been rotted out. And it's great that Charlie and candidates are working overtime to reach those people and keep the pressure on. Because it's what's required. You know one of the things that's always amazed me folks and I. I. Should learn this well, no, I've always not just it frustrates me. Is that. This and this is what happened by the way to the Republicans who won the house in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, four of the first time in forty years. They made the mistake. Of assuming that the country elected him because the country and all of a sudden gone conservative. At understood conservatism and voted another was some of that. But there was also the House Bank scandal in the house post office scandal and. there was also this program which had done a lot to educate people about the scandals in the corruption. Among primarily Democrats in the house, but but also institutional. But if you look, let's go back to the nineteen eighties. Here you had a president conservative for the most conservative president in history at that point. Elected into win slides. And he was an unabashed conservative and he lived and he taught it Ronald Reagan, he taught it. He spoke it. He implemented conservative ideological policy tax cuts. Tax cuts revived a Mara Bend Jimmy Carter Economy. Tax cuts led to people having more money than they have ever had in their lives. Tax cuts led to economic freedom more people starting businesses, more entrepreneurs than ever before, and while all that was happening. Unemployment came down interest rates came down and federal revenue increased. One of the most educational things have happened Reagan illustrated by cutting taxes. You create more employees by cutting taxes you grow the economy which creates more tax payers, which leads to more federal revenue. So when Reagan Takes Office folks in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, one, the top marginal tax rate was ninety percent. Very few people paid but that's what it was when Reagan left office in nineteen eighty nine. The top marginal tax rate was twenty, eight percent. So gummed down from ninety. To Twenty eight percents over eight years. Wealth created like it had never been created before among the American people entrepeneurship growing like crazy American military was rebounded. We defeated the Soviet Union. Defeated Soviet communism. And Federal Revenue Nearly doubled. By cutting income tax rates. Federal Revenue Doubled because we had created that many more tax payers. I expected. That to be a revolutionary eight years I expected those eight years. To be the have a degree of permanence. With. A lot of Americans I figured a lot of Americans would learn a lot. How cutting taxes grows the economy cutting tracks is taxes expands the amount of federal revenue, which is good because we need a big military we need. To. Protect ourselves and so forth. And less than four years. Here comes the country electing Bill Clinton WHO's promising to raise taxes. The Democrats succeeded in four years of wiping out what the eight years of Reagan meant. The Democrats and the media what relentless they called it trickle down economics I said, it didn't work. They said, the country was in debt never going to get out of debt. Got Got. GotTa pay the Credit Card Bill. Now. Reagan was a fraud. They lied through their teeth revisionist history was the name of the game and for every day they were just like they've. Relentlessly, for four years tried to tie trump to the Russians and meddling in an election. For four years, they insisted that Ronald Reagan. and his tax cuts were trickle down economics and the poor got poorer and the rich got richer and that's all that happened. It was demonstrably false. People who lived through it knew it was false and yet. After four years, you may as well have not had the eight years of Reagan. People forgot it or they were able to be talked out of it. I said. To myself this is crazy. But then I said we're GONNA. Teach conservatism every day we are going to have to explain every success in this country is tied to conservatism, and by the same token, we're going to have to point out that every failure everything has gone wrong with a tie it to liberalism. And we didn't ever get a Republican Party that wanted to do that. So it was left to us in the media. To make that case each and every day. Okay, folks, we have reached the end of yet another exciting and lickety-split broadcast hour on the EIB network. One remains before hurricane weekend. We'll get to it right after this. And welcome back my friends a great to have you here rush limbaugh executing assigned host duties flawlessly on Friday The Southern Command in Sunny South Florida did so good line wide. Open Line Friday means you get to talk about Well anything. You can ask me anything. It doesn't have to be something that I care about doesn't have to be something that we've already talked about. And that differs from Monday through Thursday. We're a little bit more tightly screened. Monday. Through Thursday and Friday telephone number eight hundred. Two, eight, two, two, eight, eight, two, and the email address elrushbo at eibnet dot US I. WanNa get back. Again two soundbites here to go doctor. Testified today before the House oversight reform. Select subcommittee. On the Corona Virus Cairo's crisis. And, we already had the the sound bite where Jim Jordan is asking adopted a foundry. well, why why should you while you make all kinds of recommendations dating and baseball? Should people, avoid protesting. Should avoid going out of the protest marches and FAO she wouldn't answer it. Just asking, should we try to limit the protests profoundly clear it was a brilliant question. It was it was it was a question and it was a polite question. It was a legitimate just designed to expose VALGY. His political leanings. Should we just you know limit the protests doctor you're worried about all this close togetherness spreading the virus. It's a bad thing. It's stressing hospitals system stressing the testing system. So maybe maybe we should try to limit the protests. And Dr? Faucher. Consistent Oh. Yes. I was certainly limited the protests. I would limit close contact with anybody anyway instead of doing what would make logical sense Doug. Foundation. I know no I I think I would leave that to people who have more of a position to do what? So these guys Kinda like Andrew. Are Mario Cuomo. Mario. Cuomo would tell you everything in the world he thought about how you had to live. He would tell you whether you didn't. You weren't paying enough taxes or you were doing this or you should do more of that what it came to abortion. Mario the pious that I do not think I should impose my religious views. On the American people. In one of the biggest political cup outs. Ever recorded in American politics I don't a liberal. I. Don't think I should use my phone personal religious beliefs enforce the money. American. FAO She's doing the same thing. Should we limit protests? Should we limit any activity that gets people close to gathered it? Might spread the virus and back to the Falcons. Would leave that to people who have more of a position I. I wouldn't want to impose my opinion of protests name. Your. He didn't say that but that's what he was saying. He didn't WanNa go there folks he didn't. I think I would leave. Okay. So how about you leave it to me to make up my own mind on school voucher? How about you leave it to me to make them my own mind wearing a mask found. How `bout you leave it to me to make up my own mind whether or not to get on an airplane Dr. algae. Testing. He was exposed out there. So there's two more bites between Jim Jordan and DR FAO G, and here we go with the next one. It's a simple question doctors. Should we limit the protest government is obviously limiting people and look there's been no violence that I can see a church. I haven't seen people during a church service go out and and harm police officers burned buildings but we know that for sixty three days nine weeks, it's been happening in Portland one night in Chicago forty nine officers were injured but no limit to protest. But boy, you can't go to church on Sunday I don't know how many times I can answer that I'm not gonNA pine on limiting. Anything you to hide on a lot of things. I'm telling you what it is danger and you can make your own conclusion about that. You should stay away from crowds. No matter where the crowds star you're allowed to protest millions of people on one day in crowds yelling screaming but you try to run your business you get arrested, and if you stood right outside of that same business and protests that you wouldn't get arrested and you don't see an inconsistency there, there's no one consistency. I don't understand what you're asking me as a public health official to a pine on who should get arrested or not. That's not my position what a cop out. What an absolute color understand what you're asking me you're asking me political stuff people get arrested. He knows full well, what Jordan's asking him. He's not this obtuse. He knows exactly what Jordan is asking him. and. He knows that he runs the risk of major major hypocrisy if he answers the question. So. He isn't going to answer the question next bite here. You've advocated for certain businesses to be shut down I'm asking you on your position on the protest. We know the protest actually increase the spread of the virus said that I said crowds I didn't say specifically, I didn't say protests who any of the protests don't increase the spread of the by it and say that you're putting words in my mouth up I, just want an answer to the question. Do the protests increase the spread of the virus? Anything I can tell you that crowds are known particularly when you don't have a mask to increase the acquisition and transmission see Dr fouled she wants to go nowhere near answering the question about tests he's going to do it Not GonNa Starchy obviously identifies with the people who are protesting. The so hard to admit by the way. Why is it so hard for these official government? Bureaucrats. To acknowledge and admit that their politics leans lift. Well, because Mr Limbaugh, they've built their careers on the fact that they don't do politics that their doctors and nurses in it. They're always right in the middle of the night don't get bothered by these silly little political thing. Oh. Oh. And Yet And yet, it's not hard to determine who the avowed Provo. Leftists. In the American bureaucracy. Are. Same hearing sound bite number. By the way, my slate button isn't working. So if it sounds like obviously pausing start go ahead start. See who's asking the que- Carolyn Maloney Democrat New York. We still don't have a vaccine for AIDS. Ebola, took five years. How realistic is a vaccine Dr Chee? It isn't dreaming or I'm sorry isn't dreaming or is it a reality? Are The protocols as safe as they possibly could be as we've always had for vaccines? Could you give us an honest assessment of where our country is? In Vaccines Development I believe he will occur I think the difference between HIV and Corona virus is so different that I don't think you can pair them because the body does not make very good immune response against Issa. What make vaccine development very difficult whereas the body does make a robust immune response against Corona virus, which tells us that I believe that we can get to that goal. Okay. So a lot of people holding out hope for the for the vaccine and we hear various things it'll be. Level three phase three testing to the end of the year. If we get one, it'll happen the first part of next year we'll. We'll see. I I think what's occurring to a lot of people? And by the way, it could be wrong about this and so I'm just offering an opinion. I'm not. Giving you oughta logical certitude here you know what I think. I think an increasing number of Americans. Are Beginning to realize that there isn't anything anybody anywhere can do. There's no magic solution to this in terms of stopping the virus in terms of. Limiting the impact. and. Even if it is hydroxy, Clark went look at the battle that is going to be to get to the point where. The people opposing it. Will Stop. opposing. and. There is a huge movement. Doing its best to discredit hydroxy Clark one. Now imagine if it is. The quote unquote. Success story that we have been told this week it is and then imagine all of the people doing everything they can to prevent its usage. They're going to be a lot of people who think that that is what's happening. Lot of people are instinctively suspicious of government. And a lot of people aren't a lot of people but the same toe believe everything the government tells them no matter what it is they believe it the authorities, the officials whatever the officials authorities sent a universally accepted. But there isn't. There isn't. A rising tide of confidence. Among the American people that there's anybody I mean doctor nurse F- Ouchi whoever whoever Dr Burks. It appears that this is something that we're just gonNA, have to ride out. Like, we rode out in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen with Spanish flow. And like has happened with a number of other. Pandemics. And it's a strange thing because we live in an era. Where many Americans think that? Stopping bad things is easy. Doing. Good things easy. We have A. Number of people younger generations who think. Not that hard stop stuff like this, and they don't understand why it's not stopping and why there isn't somebody out there who doesn't have some. Magic Wand. To stop this, we got a flu vaccine. No, we don't. Flu Shots. So. You know herd mentality is is one of the. Ultimate ways this is going to be defeated but. How long it's GonNa take to get there not only here but. Around the world let's see what else I got. I WANNA move on. Trump and this. Need somebody. Number. Twenty eight. You know trump's tweet on mail in ballots. And his suggestion maybe that we want to. delay the election. They WanNa look shows e mail in ballots. We can't trust the results. We can. You remember how that has this blown up everybody. Even the CO founder of the federalists is with the federalist. Society is Association of. Conservative. Lawyers Judge Federalist Society is who makes the recommendations to Republican Presidents for Supreme Court? Judge nominations. They recommended Gorsuch, they recommended John Roberts recommended Ah Lido, a recommended cavenaugh, well, the CO founder. has just blown up after trump's tweet. Suggesting, we might want to delay the election. He thinks trump on a be impeached immediately. I think what's happening I think a lot of former trump supporters. Are Beginning to think that he's GONNA lose and they're just entering see why a territory for after the election. I think they're positioning themselves to. We know it. Yep. Yet we knew trump was tossed That's how they wanna be seen after the election when trump loses rather than stay on the team and fight for the guy. Then, you have others the never trump. Contingent. WHO have been hoping against hope that trump would blow up and get out of there and they think he has now with this. tweet on mail in ballots. So they smell blood in the water in air out there this guy's gotta go. Summer. Even saying you know what we we need to burn down Republican we just need burn it down and destroy it and start brand new trump is just destroyed everything we need to blow it up and start in. That one tweet has caused all this today in. Washington, some I number twenty eight. Trump spoke with reporters about the twenty twenty presidential election, universal melons with millions and billions of ballads. You're never going to know what the real result of an election as it's going to be very, very sad day for our country. You know they voted during World War. One they voted during World War Two they went to the polls voted they went to their booth and they voted proudly but now with covert about date or one of This will be catastrophic for our nation and you'll see it I'm always right about things like this. I guess I must be why wouldn't be sitting here I'm always right about things like trump is convinced that mail in voting is nothing more than a recipe for disaster and it's another one of these fake things have been drummed up can't go out and public can't do this can't do that because a covid nineteen, you can go protest. You can still do that. Stephen Miller charge of immigration policy in the White House was on Fox and friends today and he explained trump's tweet the question here he got from peeves. WHO said, would you explain what the White House is wanting? Defend the. The election, the president yesterday brought the whole nation's attention to the catastrophic problem of Universal mail-in ballots. Nobody who males in a ballot has their identity confirmed nobody checks to see if they're even a US citizen think about that any four national talk about foreign election interference can mail in a ballot and nobody even verifies if there a citizen of the United States of America and this would be happening on a scale of potentially millions of people in fact, in the Democrats Heroes Act, the bill was supposed to be for corona virus relief. They actually have a provision in their barring voter identification as part of any mail in balloting. That is insane. It is. There you go. Far, election interference. No identity required anybody get hold of a ballot and mail it in nobody verifies if they're a citizen. There isn't going to be the time to do all this and. Have the result announced anytime soon brief break we'll be right back. One More Stephen Miller bite. He was on Fox and friends today and the question came from Ainsley Earhardt President Obama got political John Lewis's funeral yesterday saying those in power. Discouraging people from voting closing colocation, targeting minorities, restrictive law ideas, and undermining the postal service. But Obama said all of Obama literally went after trump yesterday and they eulogy for John Lewis. And said, all of that trump is targeting minority didn't never mentioned trump's name, but it was no doubt who meant. Discouraging, people from voting closing poll location. How can trump discourage anybody from voting when the Democrats are doing nothing, but trying to get every voter possible to show up. How does this work like the Democrats are acting like they're doing things in a vacuum here? Restrictive law ideas undermining the postal service. Do you think the president's doing all that? Stephen. It is Standard Leslie outrageously false. How can anybody claim that it is voter suppression to ask if somebody WHO's voting of John Smith is really John Smith that's it. It's a simple principle one citizen one vote as for former President Obama the reality is that for eight years. He delivered nothing failure and betrayal to the people of this country. He sold off our factories to China. He left our borders open to Ms Thirteen, and he allowed violent crime to plague our cities and did nothing as president trump is doing right now to send in federal law enforcement to save young black lives in cities like Chicago well folks. That's actually true. To a large extent. Obama. Who told everybody that there's a new era? Of decline that the United States is going to have to adjust it. That are better days are behind us. Actually said that. said that have to readjust our thinking and lower our expectations about. The American economy that we've lost a bunch of jobs that just aren't coming back. manufacturing jobs just just just aren't coming back and he literally said that we need to have responsible people like him but other Democrats in place to manage the decline. And then went on to say that America's Superpower past. May Not. have been earned. It may not have been justified may not have been deserved because You certainly did he's out there apologizing for this country for eight years no matter where he travels and the the thing is that he was we we may have come by our wealth and our. Power. Unjust ways. May. Be built a country on the backs of Slaves Oh, that's all all of that and more that Obama was. Trying to convince people. Was True They're their own country. Hang on Fox. Back before you know it here. Say How many of you thought that the Michael Brown case in Saint Louis in Ferguson. Missouri was over. I in. I have to admit I had no idea that they were re examining the case. All I remember. Is it a grand jury found that the police officer had done nothing wrong that there was no hands up. Don't shoot that everything that happened was justified at Michael Brown had tried to get the officer's gun. The officer fired in self-defense Guy was walking down the middle of the street and he was not on the sidewalk contemplating his first day at College Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Thought it was over turns out. That's not the case. And I apologize deeply I don't know how this got passed me. Saint Louis County Missouri. Prosecutors said yesterday he will not be charging the white police officer. Who Shot Eighteen year old Michael Brown six years ago after quiet leary opening the investigation. Civil Rights leaders in Brown's mother reportedly hoped that prosecuting attorney Wesley, Bell who became the county's first black. Prosecutor. January twenty nineteen might reopen the investigation into police officer. Darren Wilson who shot Brown six years ago. A new prosecutor told reporters yesterday his decision was one of the most difficult things I've had to do but after a five-month investigation, another one. There was another one after a five-month investigation in the case evidence witness statements, forensic reports. The prosecutor came to the conclusion that quote we cannot prove he committed murder or manslaughter. Wesley Bell County prosecutor defeated Bog mccollum mostly because of the death of Michael Brown and the promise to reinvestigate the shooting so that happened. And the results are in. Brown wasn't murdered. There was no real reason to burn down half a Ferguson Missouri. Here's a quote from. C., WHO's. This is the new prosecutor although this case represents one of the most significant moments in Saint Louis is history. The question for this office was a simple one. Could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that when Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown committed murder deer or manslaughter under Missouri Law after an independent in-depth review of the evidence, we cannot prove three investigations. Eric holder did one of his on the grand jury in Saint Louis Ferguson one of its own, and then this thing three times. At thirty two. And I saw this new story. Yes. So what the Hell? I'm just get past me. So I need to apologize every one of you at Saint Louis Camel. Wax. got. Pass me somebody didn't even know. That that it was happening back to the phones Rusty Franklin, to North Carolina. Great to have you with us on the EIB network. Hello. Rice. Thanks for taking my call and congratulations on thirty two years. Thank you, sir. I've always wanted to ask you this. Did you ever meet Paul Harvey and if you did what was your takeaway? Oh sure. I met I met. Actually it's a great. It's a good story. When when I the first time I met Paul Harvey. was at the Chicago Radio Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony where I was being inducted. And it was a big night. I had a lot of family there. They came up from Cape Girardeau. This was in Chicago Bruce Dumont. was was running the national. Radio. Hall of fame and the crew from the NPR morning edition they were getting in that year Larry King was the emcee they broadcast this thing worldwide. Because I was getting in I was most famous inductee. and. Paul Harvey was there. He was instrumental. He was one of the key figures in the in the Radio Hall of fame and he lived in Chicago of course. So I am. This is one of the one of the instances of Naievety that that bit me in the back. I was told that Dumont said Hey Sally Jesse Raphael wants to be the one inductors what. Sally Jesse Robinson this was this was the night of the induction. Well, okay I. What can go wrong? What went wrong. She stood up there and she said I don't think this man should be inducted and all of fame he calls women like me Fem Nancy's. And I'm thinking Oh for crying out loud is the only time I'm GonNa get inducted into the Radio Hall of fame in this be has to get up there and do this. Well, MOM's in the audience and my brothers in the audience, my brothers steaming and so was Paul Harvey. Paul. Harvey was livid. And Sally Jesse Raphael about five to when she's not wearing those rockabilly high heels. Just, beaming at me, should I just totally ignored her and I went up there and I thank everybody. People gave my remarks and so forth. And? When it was over I met. Paul Harvey and he shared with me that he was very disappointed in what had happened and so forth and what what she had done. And are the following set was that was seventy took place I. think it was a Saturday night. In Chicago, and it was I think the following. Saturday. On Paul Harvey's Saturday show and I think it. Is Saturday broadcast was like a fifteen or twenty minute thing. But he did A. devoted. I. Think over half of that broadcast to me. Being inducted isn't hall of fame. And, it was. It was it was so great. It was he was. Just the one line. There's nobody who does what rush limbaugh does, and so there's nobody ever who can do it better. and. It was a was. In his praise and part of the reason was he felt it necessary to spend the hall of fame nobody was was happy with what Raphael she she had. She had duped everybody. Bruce Dumont was. Apologizing to the NPR people. Loved it. Larry King loved it but but the. Half, the crowd didn't and I remember. Flying home dropping my family back in Cape. Girardeau and I was still ticked off on the airplane. and My mother. What are you? He's gotten a hall of yeah. Look how it happened. You can only do this one time Mama can't go in I can't get inducted next year the right way. No, you should be proud. That's never happened anybody before. Well, that's. Probably true. Nobody's probably better been inducted by somebody protesting their abduction. although I think Marlon Brando came close the Academy Awards one year by the I don't know but but she always had a unique way of unique positive way. At looking at things but we look. I I don't know where she is. We we look. My TV show was taped in the same building in a same floor that her stupid show is taped on and there was somebody on her staff I still don't. You may know who it was. There was somebody on her staff who surreptitiously privately and secretly got us a photo of Sally Jesse Raphael without any makeup and now, I? Don't I don't want any of you ladies getting upset with me here this came in over the transom. And I know it's not. It's not polite to comment on such things but I don't think. I have ever seen. In a single human being a starker contrast between makeup and no makeup. As was exhibited by that in that picture of Sallie Jessie Raphael and I think correct me if I'm wrong, I think. I think that picture ended up in television I think. Yes switzer made a mistake and that picture was up there for like ten seconds. Before we realized it. And Yeah how? Strange the way things things work out. But I mean, she was she was part of the liberal broadcasts contingent that had. had their nose out of joint that I had become successful at all but but Paul Harvey I met him I think one or two other times, but he was. He was I was I was he had lost his voice for a very very long. Period. Of. Time. And his son was was sitting in for him. and. There was a time where I was having trouble with my voice and we couldn't figure out why this is back in it was during the television show days. And I. Remember I had to take. I had to take they sent me on a cruise. They were forcing me to take vacations. They sent me on a cruise down through the Panama Canal and they told me don't talk to anybody. Just, rest your voice and it worked. But during that I got I got a note from Paul Nervy. Recommending his otolaryngology. Larry. Larry geologist. Oto on his doctor. Who He who he believed in now he was he was to me he was he was. Just a terrific terrific guy. And He was. I think exactly what you would hope he would be if you idolize somebody if you have a high opinion, never met him you meet them. You hope they don't disappoint where he did. It was it was great guy quick time out. We've got more after this. Remind you a little bit here about Hillsdale College professors. Administration at. Hillsdale. When they put their mind to something, the results were impressive. You know more than six years ago they determined that they could share their learning far beyond the campus they love teaching. They wish as many people as possible could learn what they teach. So they took the course curriculum from the entry level class the US Constitution, they created a video series. That described the brilliance found in. The founding the constitution, how it came to be one of the more important documents in modern human history of course, was ten episodes long each episode about forty-five minutes no tests no fee they gave it away. You can take the Hillsdale entry level course on the Constitution online on demand no-strings-attached. Hillsdale's professors have repeated that concept twenty, four other times twenty four courses. Different course, every lecture series, the Great American stories another great example of video series. It tells the accurate story of the nation's founding and history. If you watch it, you'll relearn. The greatest triumphs achievements as well as our shortcomings and failures. It's all their Hillsdale is proud to invite you to look through two dozen online series and watch as many as you want l. free. Bow just go to rush for. HILLSDALE DOT COM sign up. No strings attached watch. To your heart's content I promised everybody that I would replay this because I had to short change myself. Because I didn't see that this thing was as long as it was but on anniversary show day thirty, two anniversary what better way to wrap up. Almost every American family knows the pain when a loved one is diagnosed with a serious illness here tonight is a special man. Beloved by millions of Americans who just received a stage for advanced cancer diagnosis this is not good news but what is good news is that he is the greatest fighter in winter that will ever meet rush limbaugh. Thank you. For your decade. Tireless devotion to our. Rush. In recognition of all that you have done our nation, the millions of people a day that you speak to, and that you inspire and all of the incredible work that you've done for charity I am proud to announce tonight you will be receiving. Highest Civilian honor the Presidential Medal of freedom. As the first lady of the United States to present you with the honor. please. A Long. Time. Trump was worried the first lady was falling for me. Katherine. Congratulations. Thank you Catherine. And that was in the presentation of the Presidential Medal of freedom. That was February fourth. Twenty twenty in Washington State of the Union and it was an incredible night and. I have explained on previous programs, how that night came to be but I haven't had a chance to go through all. It's it's one of the most amazing days and stood there is no way it was going to be possible when he called us that there was no way and yet. Someday someday I'll be able to tell old store. I. Think that picture of Sally Jesse Raphael Show I think that it might show up at rush limbaugh DOT com. Sometime pretty soon actually ever have a great weekend my friends. What happens we'll be here on Monday. See You.

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