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#03 Is Cannabis Safe? Part Three: Adolescent Use and Harm Reduction

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#03 Is Cannabis Safe? Part Three: Adolescent Use and Harm Reduction

"You're listening to the curious about cannabis. podcast the sale of matter. One is even more difficult to detecting halt then the traffic in drugs such as opium pimm multi and and more vicious more deadly even these soul destroying drums. It's not everybody. This is Jason Wilson with a curious about cannabis podcast. Thanks so much for tuning in once again over the last two episodes. We've been exploring the topic of cannabis safety and harm reduction. We explored the toxicity of some of the major chemical constituents of cannabis how cannabis can interact with medications and contaminants that could be found in cannabis products now for the third and final part of the series. We're going to be focusing on the topics of team cannabis use before we dive into some of the ways that cannabis users can actually minimize some of the risks. That we've been talking about in these episodes so here we go the third and and final part of our series where we explore. The critical question is canvas. Safe in what are the risks of exposing children to cannabis at an early age as you might imagine. This is a very complicated question. Now offer this episode. We're going to ignore the topics of cannabis use during pregnancy while breastfeeding breastfeeding or the medical use of cannabis and children will explore this topics in other episodes. But for this episode we're going to focus on looking at the health. Risks of Atta lesson cannabis use during teenage years. This is your brain. The kids today have become come very wary of drug education of any kind her merely because kids had been exposed to tales of exaggerated harms or even outright lies about drug use for decades as part part of prohibition and abstinence based drug education programs so in one thousand nine hundred eighty six. You could go in in light of the kids. Whatever you wanted now they have google? This is Matt Matt Vogel Health and Wellness Educator. That's spent a lot of his time. Focusing on teaching high schoolers and college students about substance use and harm reduction strategies have had their cellphones in the moment. And it's interesting because a couple of years ago. I had a situation where I was presenting to a private high school to the seniors. An in early on in the session a student. He's he asked. He said Islam does does cannabis cause lung cancer. And I kinda usually when that question comes up really early it signals to me that someone has done their own research on that and they want to us get a sense of it so I was just really straightforward. You know. We don't have data right now. That shows that We we show that with chronic use. There is an increased in kind of you know lung infections. People get sick more and they have a coffin up. Things like that there's chronic chronic bronchitis that can occur but we don't have around the shows that causes lung cancer per se. I said we may in the future. especially with people are smoking concentrates. It's a lot of chronic way. We don't know exactly what that's going to entail but right now that's where we're at and and it was interesting so after the then we had the whole session. There's really good discussion discussion. Good conversation and at the end he came up in a lot of students have questions after and they'll talk to me and he said Hey. I asked you that question to see if you were full of Shit so you know it's an interesting that kind of testing the waters out to see. Can I trust this person where they at and I also would say if you critique the Nancy Reagan just say no. It doesn't mean that you're just say yes right. There's people think that that will will you're giving permission or being condoning the distance thing. Not at all you know. It's really important to think to sit. holistically think critically about this entire issue But if we go in in you know with you know You know fire and Brimstone in. That's all the only approach we're GONNA take. It's generally not very valuable able in. That said I have concerns about young people especially adolescents. Using high potency cannabis products chirp smoking dabs and other things. I mean there's issues with that. I think that are very real that we need to critique and think about especially at that age especially with new emerging research about the brain and brain development and the the different in new products cannabis more potent products. So it's it's something we we have to think about and can't get completely about. When it comes to cannabis? Kids have been told a lot of things they've been told it'll kill their brain cells that it'll lead to schizophrenia or psychosis it'll make them lazy or stupid or even caused them to move on to other drugs like cocaine or heroin. Well it should. I be pointed out there. Big differences between acute or just the occasional cannabis cannabis use and chronic regular cannabis. Use in general acute cannabis. Use is pretty safe physiologically with the biggest risks being risks six of motor coordination. which is why it's really not a good idea to try to drive after using? THC Rich Cannabis drive with the first thing. It'll be ice cold then. Also memory disruption in psychological distress like fear paranoia however most of the major did you risks that adolescents learn about canvas are associated with chronic or repeated cannabis use while chronic cannabis use can alter the way the brain functions and we definitely need to understand the consequences. That more to say that it kills brain cells is a little dishonest. Yes chronic cannabis use. Ken Definitely changed the the way. The brain works can make certain areas of the brain less active while also making other areas of the brain more active. But this is a complicated puzzle. In fact in some cases cannabis can actually encourage new brain cells to grow in a process called neurogenesis while cannabis can exacerbate or reveal underlying. You're lying mental health problems in adolescence. There's not strong evidence that it actually causes those problems. Typically someone has to have a genetic predisposition to mental health with problems and cannabis can act as a precipitating event to make those mental health issues reveal themselves and the only time that cannabis really seems to act as a gateway way drug to other drugs seems to be when users are exposed to those other drugs on the black market now. The issue of adolescent cannabis use in. IQ Is a bit it more complicated problem. Research has confirmed that there does not seem to be a link between cannabis use and low Iq but there does seem to be a link between early onset cannabis use and poor cognitive performance. If you dig through the research a common theme will emerge in the issue is that. THC In canvas can in some people interfere with the learning process by disrupting attention and memory primarily ultimately users that are affected in this way have to work harder to perform as well well as they typically would without cannabis but a lot of these possible outcomes are difficult to assess because there's a lot of different variables that affect a person's cognitive development including things like social factors Concurrent drug use like alcohol use and underlying mental health disorders. Just to name a few. In addition and everyone responds to cannabis differently. There are also a wide variety of cannabis products with different health risks associated. With each of them it has to be noted here that the context of cannabis use has a lot to do with outcomes. There are children teens and adults. Throughout the world with qualifying medical conditions that are using cannabis medically and exhibiting very few adverse events in addition cbd rich cannabis or cannabis products that don't have intoxicating effects. Don't present the same psychological health risks as THC rich canvas products doses also really important factor to consider lower. We're dosages of either. THC OR CD will present fewer risks than higher doses so if cannabis can be used responsibly. In a way that minimizes adverse events. Dance what does that type of use look like and win. Does canvas use become cannabis abuse. You know the question between use and abuse gets really really tricky because we it's really hard to standardize with alcohol right now for example we could say someone could say. Well what is adult responsible use of alcohol and you can give all these things around around risk reduction and never letting your blood alcohol content and get above point. Oh six and drink make sure you're hydrated drinking water. You'd never drive a car things like we we know this right. We have a number on and it really around essentially not letting that point of diminishing returns eight point. Oh five two point Oh six. That's where beyond that you're going beyond. The buzz is point we can really put that as a demarcation that gets tricky with cannabis right because almost impossible. What's the Turpin profile? One was harvested were the tricalm's amber color or were they cloudy. You are now more sedating because there's more. CBN in the THC started to degrade based on the person harvested it regardless. If it's a Sativa Indica What does the? THC level is his fifteen percent versus twenty five percent to take is it one hit or two hits or ten or one hit of concentrate. It's almost impossible to quantify that all these factors that are playing into it so I love this question. I'll ask young people particularly especially if I've I. I used to teach a class for conduct got caught smoking cannabis campus so I know there are already have experience with us it out atlas students. What does adult responsible I use of cannabis look like what if you had to describe that to someone and that is a tough questions? People answer because it's complicated you. It's harder to put this quantifiable quantifiable number on it and so again it's looking at it from kind of these different personal factors and yeah it's it's it's a very complicated one one thing. I really appreciated about my conversation with Matt was his attention. Just how complicated. This topic is not. There's really not a one-size-fits-all answer regarding team cannabis use and the potential risks involved. Even just finding reputable information about cannabis can be challenging in this age of Internet headlines. Lines and memes there's nuance to right. There's nuance to this entire conversation on canvas but people love things in kind of in this time where it's I I. You know we get our information from a headline on social media. Let alone going to an article that wrote about that came up with that headline and then let alone going to the research article that informed that pop culture article. It's not really happening. Every everything is Kinda like this. We're getting information from headlines in means just yesterday my daughter was like hey dude you know. Joe Rogan's running for President in two thousand twenty happening. She saw me about it. I'm like Oh my gosh. Please do not get your regime for memes and I. I do not think that's true at all nothing about that. So it's like it's just interesting what I have found talk about this quite a bit. Whenever I present to whatever whatever age group I talk about confirmation bias and say of confirmation bias essentially as we seek out and find information and research that already confirms our a Pre existing beliefs and ideas about something? And we do this politically we do it with. A lot of things cannabis is really prominent without. But what we we to. We do this with so many things so like like most things. It's not black and white right. There's complicated aspects to it and that's for me when I do any education specifically what I'm doing with high schoolers are college young college students. Ask them to really think critically about health and wellness and who they are as people talk to me. I have this flow chart that I have. If you're making a decision about substance use all these questions and no one ever. I don't think a Lotta Times. Were asking young people. Think about you know what. Where am I mentally physically and socially and my health right now? How will this decision making impact that? What's the security? What's the dosage Who Am I gonNA be with? What's the what's my mindset going into it? What's the setting I'm going to be around? What would people in my life? Who Love and care about me? Feel about the decision and making impact. Could this have on my life. In general good better indifferent like this run through a series of questions for them to really early processes and think about it because it so much of this now we have to keep encouraging people to think critically about their decision making and their life and their health you know not not just GonNa get on a team and say. That's the team. Amman I'm going with it. So let's assume in adolescent has decided that they want to experimental cannabis and they're determined termined to do it. How long should they wait in order to stay safe legal illegal states? It's twenty one. He could look at it from that perspective from a brain development perspective perspective. You can look at it at twenty five which seems really irrational for a Lotta people. Canada put out these federal guidelines a few years ago around risk reduction harm-reduction related to cannabis and they. They're pretty solid. I thought they were really interesting. one of them. They said it did talk about age. It said if you could recommended waiting 'til at least eighteen now. Gosh I talked eighteen year olds and I think we till you're forty but you know I I I don't know I don't know if I can give a good answer to that. Because 'cause everyone's maturity level is going to be different in some of those biological factors whether it be their indigenous can have annoyed system or their mental health. We sometimes maybe we don't even know that at at that point some of those. Some of the some of the mental health issues are really found. A really full-on come on in late adolescence early adulthood. So I if again if something like especially as strong canvas product is introduced at that time could exacerbate things who knows with data. We have now. I I think a lot of people are sort of pumping the brakes on this and saying hey wait a minute when young. If you're a teenager please abstain from everything if you can the longer longer you wait to ever try anything the better the outcome will be with it and you don't have to try it like that's the thing by twenty and say I'm not interested. I don't need to do this but it's different the younger you are. You think of yourself at age. Think of yourself at thirteen fourteen or fifteen years old like I try to ask people to walk through that exercise. Think of what the clothes you're wearing the bike you're riding reef. Who you were in that moment? You didn't know yourself that well. Wow that time. You don't have a ton of self awareness physical development social emotional mental development. It's a sensitive time so to throw in a really intense experience whether you from cannabis this concentrator of edible or they didn't know what they were doing. Eight four grams of suicide mushrooms or something and had an adverse response ecologically. Typically that like there's risk without it can be an exacerbating event that can cause and lead to more of a psychological an adverse psychological reaction for people at those eight so I think like us being able to have that conversation with a delicate thing to say. I want you to be empowered and really understand on this topic because I have data in front of me that says X. number of teams are doing these things already so we need to empower them to think about that yet. We don't Wanna I just say yeah you're GonNa be the message of. You're going to do this anyway. So be safe is a terrible message. Yeah it's completely putting out an expectation that this should be happening and and people are going to do it. It's more like my line around this. Is You know you you may be around this or you. At some point later in life you may try these certain things so to have a really strong knowledge base and critical thinking skills around it is really important and empowering and you also may be around it so being around someone who maybe is engaging in something in an unsafe way. Maybe you could help them. This all begs the next question. And what can people do to reduce the risks associated with cannabis use for Matt's perspective that begins with cultivating a healthy amount of self awareness regarding not only only substance use but health and wellness. In general there's a lot of stuff we could really look at in our life. In general I think whether that gets overtly de ah Mark Down in a journal or do some self awareness of assessment about food we eat our movement in our physical movement activities stuff like that. Yeah it's an interesting interesting one around that the self awareness piece into have you. You know to be able to do that and say wow you know. I am using cannabis way more than I want to be and I've had students tell me that I I've had students say I basically start my day off. Smoking concentrate and I don't want to. I don't like it. It doesn't make me feel good but it's just such a become such a way way of being for me. It's hard for me to get out from under it or I stopped using cannabis and I thought it was helping me with my anxiety and I thought it was helping seven years my sleep but I realized it was the opposite is actually making me. More anxious. Intermittent anxiety with depending on how high got at that moment and it was actually actually my sleep rough for the first week or two when I stopped using but now it's way better and I sleep deeper and I sleep. I wake up in the middle of the night stuff. I like that. So it's interesting some things we think it might be doing for us. Maybe it's not so I think it's important anything in life to take away something it it really helps you reevaluate it. And beyond all of that Matt had a simple recommendation to reduce risk. That was echoed by many of my other guests. So I think my advice would be one starting off small like with like low potency flour and having small amounts whatever age you are when you first try engage in this In don't start off by smoking dabs you know smoking concentrates. I asked veteran cannabis and cannabinoid researcher Dr Ethan Russo about his thoughts on minimizing risks associated with cannabis. Use right away. He wanted to bring attention to the diverse and sometimes uncertain quality of cannabis products on the market. The first and foremost does the issue the preparation right now. It's sort of the wild west out there. I can't vouch for the utility liberty or safety of any preparation without a certificate of analysis. And I want to know exactly what Senate not just the canal dial content but other cannabinoid chirpy chirp annoyed content I WANNA see evidence that it's safe that there's no pesticide residue microbiological logical contamination heavy metal contamination. And beyond that. I just won't comment and I would urge consumers to be extremely really diligent in China. Require that information my biases that that information should be available for every product whether medical or recreational at point of sale. I'm not a proponent of smoking anything particularly in a medical setting off favors Asian. Potentially Benchley is a safer approach. But when we're talking about medical uses of cannabis were almost always talking about chronic conditions and in that situation best approaches are for oral agents or tinctures say in the mouth Even in their reasons for that when the type of preparation is used as got a much longer half life basically the need need four or more frequent dosing limited often people can treat their condition with dosing two or three times a day. This offers other other advantages in that there are fewer peaks and valleys of activity on you. Avoid a what can happen with inhalation. Where there's a rapid increase freeze and blood and brain levels? That is going to a make a person prone to psychoactive side effects specifically anxiety. Heidi Paranoia things of the sort. That are much less likely with a slow tight. Ration- slow raising of does with an oral agent agent And therefore the risks risks of intoxication reinforcement Withdrawal and all these other affects this can be minimize again. The ingredients are key People need to know That can only come through regulation because it is a situation. I can say without a lot of fear. of contradiction that companies are not canoe produce lab results unless it's mandated. Yeah Yeah No. It's all about the bottom line and if something isn't required companies these are not going to spend the money but there's a happy balance there. It has to come on the side of safety so it's clear clearly. The first step of minimizing risk is to ensure you find clean high quality products. But what comes next. Many people already understand that it can be a very uncomfortable. An unpleasant experience. If you take too much cannabis so what can people do to avoid this. I spoke with Dr Jason Miller about the issue. Jason is a doctor of Acupuncture suren Chinese medicine. That's also an expert regarding the clinical use of medicinal plants. Recently he started having a lot of his patients come to him to ask about cannabis so he began taking taking note of what their experiences and their outcomes were. In order to be prepared to counsel others on the potential pitfalls and the promises of cannabis use the first goal he noted and was to develop strategies to void taking too much in the first place. We'd have some you know some safety nets in case you fall into that that sort of pitfall pit also so like you said. How do we avoid getting there? And I think the most important thing about that is looking at the end of cannabinoid receptor system right and and the way that it's tuned in each person's body audie and how it it's it's a system that builds a relationship to Kavanagh's whether they're indigenous or if they're coming from the plant genus and so always starting starting with a small amount of THC rich you know cannabis extract is a really good way to go in. You know if you want to start with something small I I would say something like a milligram or less. A dose is a really great a mellow star. I mean if if people have known history of cannabis use and they have a relationship with it. That's one thing you could start them with with more than that but some people who have never experienced a lot of people really interested in they want to experience it one thing that found with medicine in general if someone has an overdose experience where they take too much of anything and they get sick from it. They don't ever WanNa take that thing again. It may still be a really a beneficial medicine for them. And so I'd rather start slow. Take our time and builds the right dose rather than risk having that initial you know bad bad negative experience all right. So let's say you've done your best to find your minimum effective dose and you still went too far and now. You're in the middle of an uncomfortable cannabis experience -perience what can be done while there's some real simple things I mean. Even some of the older ideas just like drinking a cup of warm milk or just a couple of houses of warm milk is real simple will calming thing remind you know. But there's there's a lot of other things that we think of the have a history of use citrus you know and and really you know the citrus essential oils whether it be tamed rating and then of course things like black pepper. You know you. And I've talked about a bit repulsive abated Terry offering right and another another compound like Lyman. That shows up in cannabis itself as a modulator of the THC effects on the brain right and And Yeah now we know that Beta carotene interacts with CB two receptors and Is Affecting the system in pretty direct ways. Even though we still don't quite quite understand exactly what's going on there And then also in black pepper there is some piney stuff too that would also You can of play into that and kind of going back to the warm milk thing trying to calm the system down right. I know that. Piney Kin You can modulate acetylcholine levels and that sort of thing and that's interesting because a lot of the compounds that that have been shown to calm. THC overdose effect you paranoia kind of heart rate increase. Like you said some sweats. You know that calling that down has been associated with these These compounds like we're talking about pioneering in Lima Bean and I you know all of them have this other aspect where they actually act says colon urgency where they support the call in transmission in the brain so they kind of support smooth neurological flow. In case. You don't know see. Choline is a neurotransmitter transmitter. In our brains that among many things is responsible for influencing things like sleep arousal memory and attention and then they also you know in doing that one of the ways they do that should say that they block the acetylcholine nasty race enzyme. That naturally breaks down the Acetylcholine. Clean once it's been in the synapse kind of the message has been sent and received that it needs to be you know we need to stop sending the message. So that's what that enzyme does but if that ends overactive active which happens at a lot of people especially in aging and it's associated with dementia that we bodies the Alzheimer's disease that these are all associated with somehow a breakdown in that acetylcholine transmission in that Seato Colin enzyme becomes overactive. It's also an oxidative and inflammatory processes a a lot of drivers right to to this this error in enzymatic activity and these compounds Alimany pining to carry off lean. They all have data now showing that they actually inhibit and peroxide induce cell death neurons. They actually attacked. Veron's some of them actually blocked the ACETYLCHOLINESTERASE activity liberty preserving the holy. So something a real deep neurological link there to what's happening as far as the healing properties of the brain to sell all transmission and how these terp beans have a really positive effect. What are what are some other Medicinal plants that would have have that kind of calming effect on the body it. Would you know support Acetylcholine and that sort of thing. What are some other herbs? You'd recommend one of my favorites is passiflora. Flora Passion Flower Right. That's the passion flowers. A wonderful Just just central. Nervous system calming agent. That also works really well with the THC overdose or dose it calms the Central Nervous System Calms the heart kind of softens the mind and that kind of overthinking sort of produces the monkey mind effect. It's really like at And then what you'll probably the chief. Urban it has been used and could be used alone is sweet flag or a chorus calumnies. Does he has Traditional Chinese also Dick Herbs us for a long time for for cognition. And also. It's been used in flavorings now. You know all kinds of different compounds in it. And it's right. Yeah the cannabis route exactly. Yeah that's reflagged plant and then you've got this route and the route has dried in. It's extracted acted into ethanol most nowadays. It's unethical extraction of that. Then you get this really nice blend of chirpiness and flavonoids. That are you know really powerful in in this plant and one of the Asteroids Right L.. Phone Betaseron that both have strong activity in protecting the brain from neuronal cell death but the Beta aspirin particularly Does a really nice job of calming that. THC induced overdose and that overdose. A fact of all the kind of neurological hyper excitability ability starts happening and it just comes down. I mean even if you just had one thing if you can only have one thing I would definitely choose a course calumnies and I wish I could go back to those couple of experiences. Great Ziad too much. THC In have a bottle of course GALVESTON's they ought to take a couple of droppers of this tincture. Because I have given us to. I don't know how many patients instead I even. Some of the local dispensaries now have been buying this material for me at regular intervals to pass on to their patients. Because you know in in the event that people like Hey I really Wanna get going on on this. THC Regimen for whatever condition and. I'm a little bit worried because I'm sensitive. Will they say okay. Great we'll go ahead and start increasing your dose a little faster if you hit that point or you've gone over. If you use a combination of a chorus and smother herbs are like I said even if you just had the chorus it would really help to bring it down. And I've tested this out a number of people uh-huh and it's been very successful are there any Like health risks or anything like that with columnists that people should be aware of of. Is it something that they can use. Just kind of At will or do they need to kind of watch their intake or anything like that. Well you bring up a good point you know and again. This is not an herb obits meant for long term chronic congestion you know these these kind of high potency turpentine things like those different. There's different species in different variants of the plant where they at the Tetra Varieties that come from. Parts of India have very high concentrations of to ask Essential oils have seventy five percent Betaseron and at that concentration. We're getting to this kind of like you know. Essential Oil. Turpin substance that has a very strong aromatic quality. And you know we don't WanNa take that in all the time it can. It could eventually eventually overwhelm our ability to kind of quench. It's its own oxidative properties. And then we could get some damage. Your liver damage was saying so we don't really know but there have been associated toxicity studies done on some of these compounds in a lot of compounds they look at. If you took too much over to two long time it could be a problem but in the short term where you're just taking it for a THC overdose. There's no risk at all in under single dose in a way It's just if you end up taking high doses long term. I wouldn't advise at all. Yeah so you're telling me I shouldn't Start Smoking bowls all the time. And just following up with columnists every day. We'll take you bring up a really good point because you know it's kind of a thing. We're gushing. I gotta go to work it but I really love to get stoned. You could imagine a big bong load or to get really high for fifteen minutes and then I gotta work so take a big load of columnists and then go to work all right. Let's I'm not advising that approach. Yeah and I I think I think there's a lot of that what you're saying about you know using it in a very You know specific manner where you're using it to as a medicine to help people who are building a medicinal regimen out of THC the able to control the potential for overdose and give them some security. You know that they could they could You know be assured that if they get to that dreadful Oh headful kind of place that we can we can come down. I was GonNa say to what they thought. It was with that kind of warm milk as the CARDAMOM. You know again. Another one area area. There's a lot of great Compounds in there too that are that have been associated with calming that's Overdose effect if you forget all of those suggestions there are some products it's on the market. Now that claimed combat cannabis intoxication. I do have a product. That's out a barrel zone on it's called undue. Do Oh yeah yeah for yeah. They're wonderful. Wonderful that's Peggy Anderson. The founder of a company called can help you which is dedicated to providing seniors with education about cannabis in one recent study it. It was found that the demographic of cannabis users over the age of sixty five is growing faster than any other demographic of older adults many of these users don't WanNa be intoxicated and are particularly concerned about taking too much. THC Peggy shared some of her experience with this issue. If you smoke or new take when Undo with twenty two ounces twenty four ounces of water you'll you'll come down after ten minutes and I have tried that the product in it does really work and With with edibles it takes thirty minutes But I had to people that love that THC chocolate you know. They've got fifty milligrams. Yeah too much but yeah. That's a good product again. I think I just have to reassure them that there's they're not gonNA die. Might be uncomfortable for a while And if they are in I always get the my number and I kind of debating right now offering the service of sitting with somebody for the first two hours. Yeah just to be there with them. And and so they're they're not scared. The anxiety does go right or down. Yeah it's there any advice that you that you give to seniors that. If they've gone too far they're having an uncomfortable experience. They don't have access to undo or a product like that. Are there other things that they can do to try to Call meetings. -iety that paranoia down or you know. Try to get some relief from that uncomfortable experience. Yeah a lot of water the F. Much water as you can handle. And then I I call it distraction. Put something on. Television is just GONNA take your mind off of what you're doing That's what I did with with this woman who ended up in the emergency room but she Her daughter took her because she was out of control. But yeah and again. That was a weird thing. This was about two years ago where she had some Taffy and she had a quarter of it and she did find support and she got to that last quarter and that's where all the THC was so interesting interesting. Yeah wasn't wasn't a very uniform product right not two years ago for sure also. CBD's is known to reduce the effects of THC to some extent but changing the way that THC actually binds canaveral your centers. So that's another option available all right right and let's review it. We've learned so far across these past three episodes while the exact level of toxicity of cannabinoid is unclear. We know that can have annoyed. loyd's orders of magnitude less toxic than caffeine nicotine and it's physically impossible to lethally overdose on herbal cannabis as far as extracts and concentrates are concerned turned. There's still a lot of unknowns. There's no long term safety data available yet. Understand how chronic consumption of cannabis concentrates might affect health. However we do I do know that a variety of contaminants cannabis can become concentrated in extracts presenting greater risk to consumers particularly those that have preexisting health issues? Although cannabis is unlikely to present the risk of a lethal overdose there are still health risk to users including risks to lung health heart health mouth health immune immune system health and mental health. Many of these health risks stemmed from smoking and can be minimized or eliminated altogether by using other consumption methods like vaporizing. I'm not really talking about here. I'm talking about true low temperature vaporizing or using edibles or submersible products like teachers under the tongue uh naive users are at greater risk for experiencing the psychological adverse effects than experience. Users are so it's best to start with low dose and take it slow cannabis can potentially interact with other medications usually the least to sedation but in some cases particularly with CBD cannabis could slow down the body's ability to metabolize drugs resulting in elevated concentrations of those drugs in the blood for anyone taking medications with narrow safety windows or if your medications have a grapefruit warning on them. This could potentially be dangerous. You should seek medical oversight. When canopus some people with preexisting health both conditions could be at greater risk to suffer adverse events from cannabis use if you're using cannabis and have a heart condition compromised immune system diabetes or mental health conditions? It's really best to work with the healthcare professional to make sure you stay safe cannabis. Use in. Adolescence can exacerbate underlying mental health issues in general. Let's best for young people to wait as long as possible before trying cannabis daily until the age of twenty five as this is the age when the brain is thought to have reached most of its maturity and win. Most mental health issues will reveal themselves. If you do decide to use cannabis start with a low dose and slowly work your way up you end up. Getting too high there are a number of home remedies to counteract the effects of THC including things like drinking water drinking more milk eating pepper corns or black pepper. Taking pictures insures of other medicinal plants like passion. Flower Kalmus route chewing on pine nuts or even drinking lemonade there. Even some targeted cannabis antidotes now on the market additionally C. D. can also counteract the effects of THC to some extent. Finally if you consume cannabis regularly it's important. Perform farm regular absence breaks in wellness audits to evaluate your relationship with cannabis to ensure that your cannabis use is not negatively. Impacting your health. So is cannabis safe. Let's say in regulated states. In general. I feel pretty confident that most products you get are safe in the sense that they're you know probably don't have pesticides and solvents in the probably are fairly consistent in their dose at the other thing is in the seventies and sixties. You didn't know what you we're getting an IRA sure my seniors that I'm talking to that. This is safer than it's ever been before it's generally well known that nearly anything can be toxic when consumed in a particular way or in a particular dose going back to the early days of toxicology in the early fifteen. Hundreds the Swiss physician alchemist in stranger. Parasol says said all things are poison and nothing without poison. It just the dose alone that makes a thing not a poison today. This is often simplified to the saying the dose makes the poison this applies to everything including the water. We drink in the air. We breeze nothing in life is without risk. But in general cannabis is safer physiologically. Then many substances we engage every day like coffee and some of our foods while there are some rare exceptions and contraindications to to be aware of cannabis. As long as it's clean seems to be pretty safe and well tolerated by most people especially at low doses. Deaths contributed to cannabis are extremely rare and most adverse events that could arise from cannabis. Use like hyper media. Syndrome are usually reversible. Now if you want to minimize risk in general you WanNa wait as long as possible before you decide to try canvas for the first time. Ideally once you get past that age you've between like twenty two to twenty five years old. You WanNa try to avoid smoking a lot of these health risks. 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The Dark Night of the Soul

The goop Podcast

38:01 min | 7 months ago

The Dark Night of the Soul

"Hi I'm Elise Lunen Co host with Gwyneth of the Google podcast. Today's guest is Layla. Delia the second guest in our special series called women on top which is all made possible by our friends at Banana Republic. The most interesting businesses are born out of curiosity. This is the space. Gwyneth was in when she started goop. It's also the space from which Banana Republic was founded back in nineteen seventy eight I to California creatives with adventurous spirits Laos fall. We partnered with a team of Banana. Republic to celebrate curiosity by talking with women who are redefining. What it means to be powerful and brave and we're very excited to be back for a second series. I hope you love listening to these conversations as much as I love having them and I know you'll be deeply inspired by these women so please keep listening and keep shopping with our friends at Banana. Republic to see our favorites from their spring collection had two banana republic dot com slash goop and to see our special capsule collection had goop dot com slash. The goop at it. Don't hold anything too tightly. Just wish for want it. Let it come from the intention of real truth for you and then let it go. The Mayo soul is like it's unbound. It's limitless but we will use words to limit ourselves when people stop believing that. Somebody's got your back or Superman's coming. We turned ourselves. And that's where you become. Empowered courageous participation attracts positive things. I'M GONNA paltrow. This is the goop. Podcast bringing together. Thought Leaders Culture Changers creatives founders and CEOS scientists. Doctors Healers seekers here to start conversations because simply asking questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world. Today is no exception. I'll at least fill you in on her extraordinary guest. All right over to elise. Leyla Delia is an author spiritual practitioner and wellness educator. She also just came out with a new book. Vibrate Higher Daily today. We're talking about what it means to live a high life for incoherence with yourself. Leyla talks about her own history of trauma and deprivation and darkness and how she ultimately emerged broke free and discovered her own spirituality and path to wholeness we also discuss what it means for her to be a woman of color and wellness and how those communities are moving to reclaim what was always there. I was never really interested in this world before but once I got in it. I didn't want to go back and I was just so curious to where it was. This insatiable. Okay. Let's get to my chat with Layla. Delia congrats on your buck. And thanks for being here. Thank you so much for both. Thank you thank you so so I know a bit just from reading your book about you but can you take us through your own. I guess dark night of the Soul. You how you are at a point of suicidal idealization and then new completely transformed. Yes yes yes. I definitely have experienced the dark night of the soul. And just what happens to the human spirit when it's broken but also what happens to it when it finds hope again so in order to find the hope. I did go through that dark night of the soul which looked like a just a whole concert hall symph- Symphony of Traumas of experiences of negative messaging. That was processing in a way as a young person. I didn't know what to do with I didn't know I didn't have language for and I didn't know how to express that needed help. And because my father he was a practicing Buddhist growing up he was very positive. All the time and my mother was in church heavily in church. My Grandmother's as well so I didn't really feel safe. And when I say safe as a young person save as a young person is. I'm not going to get in trouble if I tell like what I'm going through one. I'm experiencing an victimizations where there was sexual trauma from a trusted caregiver. And I didn't even know being a young victim. I didn't even know how to express that which happened so many times until textbook to victims. Because you feel the shame just the weight of that. I think we you know we didn't know what to do with that are we. Don't know whoever's experience that now you don't know what to do with that so that unhealed when you add that to. I was growing up in south central Los Angeles which we lived in the war zone community and it was literally a war zone there was homicides left and ride growing up. I had just a a funeral. It seemed like every two weeks we were going to at this time. This was mid. I would say late eighties to mid-nineties like this whole time period that that was really defining for me as far as trauma and that again. I didn't know what to do with but what I was doing. We were I was creating pure bonds with a lot of friends in the area which a lot of children do sometimes especially in urban communities where it was just US expressing ourselves expressing our pain but then also accepting each other for wherever we however in wherever we show up in in our stories and so at that time. My friends were an outlet for me that I couldn't really tell my parents but so there is a double life. It felt like I was living to child because as much as I loved my friends. I wasn't fulfilled there in a friendship and part of me just always felt like I didn't belong like there's almost like this undercurrent of of you know you shouldn't be here. You shouldn't be doing this AB and my father was always when I go home. He was he would have instance going and candles and he you know he would be channing just really ethereal for me so it was always a comfort zone and as a young person. I didn't realize he was creating a sacred space to where we're at whatever I was experiencing what I left that home when I came in it was going to help to cleanse me. Or at least make me feel welcomed home to add. I WanNa go home in the first place but as it happens a lot you know when we take these jerseys. I took all of that with me process that process that in a way to where I continue the trauma part so the healing didn't stick just yet and the trauma was a little louder and I was. I was allowing myself to be in relationship that serve me and the relationship that I talk about in the book turned into Domestic Violence Nightmare and that was one of the hardest things I've ever of course dealt with to where I was really trapped and it didn't feel like the home I grew up when but it did feel like the in in a in a way that is so undescribable but it's it was speaking to my pain because it was familiar. It was familiar to the pure bonds. It was familiar to the messaging. Coming in as a young person that you know Danger and that was excitement and it was cool to you. Know be with someone who treated you like crap. You know what I mean like this was. This was the messaging that at the time we used to glorify hip hop. And that's an you know and I talk about in the books that be my hope that artists see that as problematic and I think we're taking our EVAC as artists as creatives as people who are listening to the music and so I wasn't mindful to to take in those messages in a just. Oh this is just entertainment. Don't live it but it was playing out in my life and I saw. The trauma was playing out in my decisions because it hadn't healed. It was still there and of course steele magnetising more of the same energy to me and so in this relationship I was broken down completely for two years and this was it was severe. It was hospital stays and just some of the stuff but when. I got tired enough and when I say tired and my abuser. At the time his own mother you know would urge me to leave and she would say when you're sick and tired of being sick and tired. You are going to leave. You're not gonNA care if you take a toothbrush with you or just yourself and your daughter you're just gonNA be ready to go and so I remember feeling that one night like this. Is it for me and I packed one bag with my daughter and we went to a hotel and that was my life for the next three months post. That and didn't know where I was going to go after that. I didn't even know how to tell my family. I'm living in a hotel like it. It was just so much and it happened so fast I was still in this this survival mode period and from that. I remember right after that relationship getting into another relationship. You know the whole cycle. It's it it just feels so textbook because it it. It really is just energy that I'm realizing now as a heel person looking in energy it just attached to you until you can release it or know how to so I attacked someone who was just as abusive and my life discontinued to down spiral and I fought my way out of this. Relaxed relationship ended up in the hospital that same day and they discovered a inflammation in my colon that that was the size of a a lime and it turned out to be diverticulitis and so they had to do emergency storage arena like we're going to have to admit you know granted. This was saving my life because I just had a fight. I got you know I thought it was the fight. Like the pain from being physically in a physical fight fighting for my life out of that relationship but it was something else showed up and I always look at that has dismissed ICAL divine purpose. You know of saving me where I didn't have to leave their go back or leave their in question. What what I was going to do next. I had the seven days and that hospital to figure my life out and my sister call me. At the time I was in California so by the time I hit left California for that relationship and with the Texas my sister was still here in La and she sent me. She's like let me send you this care package of herbs. I've been working with his herbalist and I told him what's going on with you and he said don't let you you know he told. Tell them to do not let her have surgery. This is curable and so everything within me was just like I'm listening. What do I have to lose literally? At that point I was just like what do I have to lose? And so those herbs star it was the start to the transformation like as little as they were. I didn't know what they were doing. I had no idea what I was. What was about to happen to my life with these plant medicine and so I was taking them day by day and I just started experiencing not wanting to be a victim anymore whether it was aware where I was whether I was aware of it whether I was going back for comfort I just noticed. A lot of my patterns started to show themselves I was able to see myself a little different and from there it. It didn't get magically easier if anything it got harder because now I was sitting with my own demons and I was sitting with these demons. Felt were haunted me most of my life that I was having trauma with and that was a period when the suicide came because I remember just feeling stuck like I'm away but I have no idea in the world world where to go to do. There's no purpose in my life. I'm I'm always making mistakes. I can't get out of these patterns and it was just a sense of hopelessness and I try to take my life just with pain. Pain relievers and I woke up three days later by myself. My daughter was an I plan for my daughter to be with her grandmother three days later by myself and I remember just being days my first reaction was mad because I woke up like oh my gosh. I can't even do this right. And something else came upon me very swiftly that filling was only allowed to last quickly before this other filling came in and took over that your life was just saved from ending in the way it was trying to and so from there. I just started feeling hope in day by day I started taking those herbs again and herbs were allowed my body to detox so even having those herbs that I never would have had were part of me helping myself get to a better recovery phase. After and from there I called in. I is just doing a small of a step that yes. I'll take these herbs. A mentor started showing up here and there people would hand me a book. I would start getting interested in keywords. I would I would hear and from there. It's like I had a period of becoming auto didactic. I just started teaching myself. What energy was why these foods were? Hillary me how could continue this path? How I can braid patterns and so it just a whole new world opened up. I was never really interested in this world before but once I got a foot in it. I didn't want to go back and I was just so curious to where it was just insatiable. Yeah now I feel like often. You know it's like people catch a line and then you're suddenly sort of holding onto something. That's helped him pulling you forward and then the universe starts intervening and interesting ways. You mentioned too like taking back narratives but also taking back healing you know in in the context of cultural appropriation. And what's happening? You know with many white women in terms of our own interest and devotion to self care and plants and herbs and self healing this. Is You know the Western world brought Western medicine and psychotherapy but these modalities belong as you mentioned. I love this quote from you. You being the child of an African American and Latino acs I have seen how both communities have the passion need and desire to live fuller healthier and more whole lives. Historically it has been people of color would nurture and care for white families without the best resources or regard for their own wellbeing and family. We are the grandchildren. The great grandchildren and great. Great grandchildren of these exhausted. Caregivers it's in our genetic memory through trauma and inequality that self care isn't a priority. Our communities need to have equal access to success mind body spirit and overall wise but then you also talk about say while black people in the middle passage and Trans Atlantic slave trade were able to sneak herbs seed spiritual roots knowledge with them onto those ships the same spiritual and wellness path. Popularized now was whipped. Beaten programmed manipulated out of them until most medicine people were killed or died. We have to remain mindful that most of the mainstream spiritual and wellness models have popularized and even appropriated what has originated amongst people of color from around the planet. And so it's sort of like a you know a coming home and I think conversation that everyone needs to have not only to respect where these things came from. But like the convergence of these worlds and also. I think you talked about this in. The context of collar communities of color was talking to a reporter black woman and we were talking about the group lab show and then after she was saying she was like you know. I started going to therapy. And it's been the most important intervention in my life because like pretty much every woman of color in this country you know racism as a trauma just one of many and she was like but my family is like. That's why people do. And so she was like now like but we need to reclaim this. Yeah it was an interesting conversation only because I guess psychotherapy is Freud but so many of these things were not ours. And I know you've been a pivotal person and sort of expanding it. So how do you start to bridge that yeah just to make it feel that? It's okay and I talk about grace a lot in my work to where wellness doesn't look like you're being perfect always high wellness means that you accept yourself in any state and then you just do better from there. That's wellness right. There is just not staying in the down spiral. It's not staying in denial and it's not staying and things that don't service. It's an if we are in those things. It's just recognizing that they're not okay for us. They're not the best for US. And then having grace to say. I may not get this right every day on my way to healing this getting out of this or doing better but I'm going to start trying to reach for things that are going to pull me up higher and allow me to exit these cycles and that will look like looking out for things that don't look familiar to you that you feel comfortable with like me like I had no idea about this. Plant medicine what it was doing. But it began to speak to the cells in my body and in on this level like I was speaking about in the article. Just even in my genome that that was recognized as medicine as plant medicine and it took to it. It's like yes more of this. You're on the right path child coming and so I think that when we can continue to support ourselves and know that the whole world is opened up to us for healing and to reclaim things that were ours into stand in our power and when we want to go to classes whether it's therapy whether it's a meditation practice whether it's counseling whether it's yoga whatever it is or whether it's just being in nature we have to fill okay and not label it as a white thing or you know that's Even a female thing you know what I mean like all the things that can go with it or a thing of privilege even because sometimes that's a piece where he was. Oh that's the thing a privilege but for me it was a thing of survival like I was not most of the thing I remember like I wasn't enjoying taking those medicines and I wasn't enjoying having to be in counseling but it was. My life was counting on it so we can look at that part in this. Say It's this is just a basic need for survival and then that's just how where we have to start. Yeah and that's where I like about. The you know just Maslov talks about the hierarchy of needs. Is that if we can get our basic needs met. I which we see. I happen to me but we see a lot of people communities with people of Color if we allies house. We can't heal until we're not in survival mode anymore and so if we can do the things that helped get us out survival mode and then from there we can start looking up and then we see like there's Oh there's all these other levels to attain to and reach and then people looking outside in do you can't help so that people of color stuck in survival mode because it's never going to be a fair playing ground because just how the mind works you know just an animalistic level. Yeah they're always going to be on survivor going in circles until they can feel safe enough that now they can start looking at other terrains of their life. 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Right now you can get twenty percent off of your entire order by using code goop twenty. That's S. A. K. A. R. A. And Use Code Goop two zero back to my chat with Layla. Delia you know. Have this conversation with a psychiatrist to we were with a lot. His name's doctor will sue. And he's involved in with maps and and trauma and psychedelic work and his point as well as that. They're just art enough therapists and terms people who really understand trauma dramatic experiencing and how it shows up in our body and how it manifests and that he has his belief as that and the seems true of your own experience like it will be calm a community intervention and friend to friend. Not that we want to set our friends down on couches and require but we start to hold that space very each other and even if it's the process of like a reaction sort of like. Leyla like this is your Pat Lake right just holding the mirror and I know you talk about that a lot as well just sort of the essential nature of sisterhood and women not only being there for each other but also creating the space creating taking care of some of those basic needs. I mean yeah taking the kids or that's it. Yeah all those little things it l. helps just to know that because I think with women sometimes we were. Each of us are always in our life nine times out of ten the caregiver and so it's not. It's not easy to say I need help. Yeah and one of my favorite songs is lean on me by bill withers and that song for me is a song for everyone to listen to when they're in an in need for help because it's it's an anthem but then it's a call to action like reach out for help because you never know it may be me this this time carrying the load or it might be you next time. But let's let's create this situation to where I can call on you. You can call for me. And it's Okay. And a lot of bill withers music talks about that. What is just absolutely beautiful and that will. That's what it looked like for me. Like my grandmother's I remember growing up. They were from the Black Church experience and everything was like really warm holding circles for healing circles for spirituality. You know someone coming everyone coming over with dish Sundays. We'RE GETTING TOGETHER FOR FAMILY DINNER. And so but as time and ESPECI- especially in this age this error. A lot of that doesn't exist anymore. So it's like. How can we recreate these circles of healing? Yeah that used to hold the community together and that used to allow children to see what that looked like to have community but now we're we're all and which is a beautiful time and I think that this is where we have to remember to Groote and things that did work in the past while we work on manifesting better for the future is keep this articles because those are necessary but then still work in a lot of our work does call us out to be away from circles and family and friends or even as an entrepreneur. You're by yourself a lot and you're exhausted when when you do have downtime and then you feel like what am I gonNA turn to? Who's going to understand and I hear that a lot from creatives that they don't really know if people get them and a piece that I really believe is that we can have a more altruistic way of how we show up in life and community when people are grieving. It's like we're forgetting how to help the grieving and help the people who are hurting and everything is so fast fast fast. Like what's the next best thing? And so as we have to remember that as as much as we're tending to the next thing that somebody else might be stuck in their pain still and so sometimes we have to look back and say how can I help you forward. Yeah versus expecting them. Just be going forward with you right and I think that we've forgotten the practice of having this conversation with some I call one of them my Jewish mother because my mom's Catholic again and and she was talking about sort of being present with people who are dying and she was saying that we've all lost the practice or maybe in many of us didn't have it sitting in the discomfort and with friends who might have had a bad diagnosis or really struggling in their marriage. Or whatever just being like just say it just like lay it out and I'm not GonNa Comfort you. I'M NOT GONNA. I'm not gonNA quickly reflect. It's going to be fine. Leela or like you'll find another man org you'll be hearing ten whatever it is to like. Let people say it and hold it. And it's the same as you mentioned for grief it's We're in it's a completely normal wonderful urge that we all have which is to comfort. But that's not comforting. When you're like I just need you to experience my like you need to let me talk my husband and I practice this too. I'm like I just need to van and express all of my fear and anxiety and you're gonna WanNa rush and see this and do this like I don't need that problem solve the I think it's it's true like we had a women's group they still meet. I have never been able to create out of my own life but we need that on a community level. Absolutely I think if we can understand when we show up that we do have a presence when we show up if we're aware of one of that and then to make sure that our presence is meaningful and what does that look like in a lot of times it's like you just said it sitting really listening. It's sitting in the uncomfortableness. It's IT'S BEING. They're showing up when you really want to be somewhere else. It's showing that you're investing in this person's life and you you care. I mean it's leading on another person know that this human experiences meant to be together and a lot of times if we continue to allow people just to experience things on their own. The you know in we're also another big thing that's happening now as empathic awareness and we've always been Pathak are grandmothers. Were empathic but they knew how to hold space so we just have to claim our take our power back in that and that whole narrative and say well. I can be unpacked. They can still have a meaningful presence and not be consumed by this person. I can keep my equity any situation but show up as a light and I think that's how we help move this whole dynamic forward that we're experiencing to where we can have more of a touchtone with each other and it's not moving into a robotic computer age but we're still tapping into that the human connectedness that we're all feeling and I've been it. I've had workshops and talks before where asked the question who feels like they do not have the necessary support in our life in in some area. Everyone raises their hand right. So there's so we're we're hungry where we're yearning craving support on a deeper level. Yeah and it is. You know that impact. It's it is the age of empathy empathic awareness and energetic awareness about this a lot in the book and. Yeah it's it's sort of incumbent on all of us to figure out you know you talk a lot about vibration ray and to be able to stay detached to stay close but state attached in a way. So you're not letting people's enter. You know you're cutting corners and not becoming too attached to other people's ability to move forward or not our process or not saying sort of in community while at the same time figuring out like these relationships just do not serve me. Yeah or these foods right for you. What does that feel like when you're like oh like green red like what's what does it feeling in your body. Yeah for me. It's it's a matter of definitely I recognize it as vibration so whether it's something that comes across my screen my phone that NFL online somewhere. I know this is not for me. If it's a food where I'm having a craving I look at even I forecast okay vibrational. What is this going to help me looking like what have to do today or tomorrow? What type of output do I need and if this food is going to deplete me no I can't have a now. Maybe I can have the day after that happened now. There's something I wanted to eat today but I know I'm clearer when I don't have like certain foods so it's not that I'm depriving myself all the time but you have to know where to schedule it in you know where to fit it in your life and then there's just some things that just are are just off the charts like for me like there's there's no way it's a non negotiable and we. I think we should all have those whether it's a certain relationship away. Somebody's treating you like have a list of things. That are not negotiable. Because then that's how you also stay energetically in your worth and you're able to now show up again in a meaningful presidents people. See that when you walk in the room you know there's boundaries eight like people you can always a person walks in the room and they have boundaries. They're they have a presence there able to shift the atmosphere in a way because they're feeling themselves it really honoring themselves in a way that's able to stand in their power and that's that's it's measurable is in its emotion. It's in vibration when you walk into a room when you sit across from flying and talk to them and I think that if we can learn that we're also communicating everyday in that way through our vibration so when we show up we're not autopilot but it's meaningful and that can look like just before you enter a room. Just take a few quick seconds to ground to call your mind your body and just say I'm GONNA show up today my power in my presence. I'm going to listen. I'm going to add things value and I'm not gonNA take anything personally. Everyone stuff is GonNa say there is in. I'M GONNA stay my power and that's again keeping your equanimity and I think it all goes back to like every principal in my book it just really ties into keeping your equanimity because so often when we show up in spaces were tempted to be reactionary whether it's driving and someone cuts you off or you're waiting in line and some was taking too long or you're at a restaurant if someone's route to you. If you have bad news I think energy can travel really fast if we don't keep it in check and so- equanimity. Is it nips it before it's able to you know grow like a wildfire in your life and so but also it's just being in the midst of any chaos in the midst of of anything going on that you recognize is either somebody else's pain whether it's So-called toxic energy. You know whatever you whatever you label something as when you're in front of you if you can keep your equanimity you stay of better help your a greater presence can now when you're calm the part of your mind that is and your nervous system. You're able to access just better wisdom. You can cook or you can access like the better things to say. The the more valuable things to say versus being reactionary. Where later you're going to regret what you set so it just helps everyone and it just is for me. It's been a path where I was able to learn how to really manage being empathic insensitive to energies. Because before I would just be an introvert while post my healing because I was GONNA say well. I'm just not going to be around any of it now. You know like forget all of it but it wasn't realistic and so I had to learn how to be in the world but not of it and that's the thing that my grandmother used to say spiritually you know be in the world but not of it so wherever you are you can keep your your own standing Yeah so where? Do you advise people to start. Who might be sort of where you were? Is it like you can only find the ladder sort of win? You're at that moment of needing it or like. How do you help people even figure out where they are? Yeah it's a matter of if you feel stuck and because that feeling that feeling is it's a running theme in your life so it'll either be you're feeling stuck. You're filling your at some rock bottom in your life. You'll feel like you're in a trap you'll feel like you have no resources so there's always some type of lack involved in it and so if you can look at. Where can I feel this gap? There's there's obviously a gap if if there's a yearning for it it's an alert and so when we can listen to these alerts and honor them as this is supposed to be filled with something and something that will be healing. And that's a solution to the situation and that could look like starting to ask for help even if it's uncomfortable even if you have to reach out to somebody outside of your community even if you have to start going to the library reading books and then pay attention to the words that are the or the people that are moving you to live a better life. Whether that's a reading book. A were a poem and really meditate on these words and they become alive and as a writer I really stand by the power of words because words energy and they carry so much and so for me I was able to as I was writing journal and I know that sounds Cliche but it helps you get things out of your head that you're not aware of so much in your waking life and we're just going going going sometimes one can write things out where for me. It showed up. It looked like I was being braver on paper and so eventually through healing and through just taking the time to self care to heal to be around people who serve me to let go people who debt and slowly but surely was able to start living those words but I had to ride on first and see him on paper and and then live in a state of gratitude for. I know this is not it for my life and when you know that everything is working for your good things like different even struggle and challenge and pain and Trauma. But you know at the end of the day you know it's going to work and and something that Howard Thurman One of my icons he wrote about is at the end of all my struggles. What is it that I'm looking to come out of this And so that's a question I carry with me. Yeah Yeah and what have you learned that can allow you to help others Did that vibrational these vibrational beings where energy. So we're not just the solid. You know this this accumulation of cells that have no purpose that we're energy looking to express itself in the most beautiful way the most dynamic ways and so when we know what to do with the energy. We don't look to harm anyone. We don't look to harm ourselves. And if we by chance to which can happen in even in the most subtle way there's all the from the spectrum there's trauma but then there's little subtle things that we can. Just maybe say something unkind to someone that we love you know but just to understand how you can use vibration in the way you talk. It's just being aware of how you're saying things of how you're treating your body of the work you're doing is allowing you to wake up everyday infield passion and excitement and to feel like you're in service or is it feeling like it's taken away from from this part of you that you don't know and it's blocking a part of you that you don't know so it's just looking at vibration as overall wellness and for people that don't really understand the word. Vibration is just a term but at the end of the day. It's this this ongoing thing that it's a name -able that's the best name that that has been created for now but it's really the unnavigable. It's it's who we are in. Its running through us. Yeah it seems like it's coherence right coming home. And a reclaiming and taking those wounds and everyone has trauma and sort of looking past the pain scale which I think women in particular like well. It could be much worse right. Yeah and just understanding. We're also different to the way things that in the way that things affect us right sort of taking ownership of that and recognizing that like you. It's your job to heal yourself. It's not your job that it's not your fault that it happened but it is your job to heal yourself. That's it yeah. I have a quote that says she remembered who she was and the game changed. And that's exactly what it was for me. It was all I had. It wasn't my fault but I have the power now. Thanks for listening to my conversation with Layla. Delia for more. Leyla had to vibrate higher daily Dot Com and make sure to grab a copy of her new book vibrate higher daily out now. That's it for today's episode. If you have a chance please. Rate and review hit subscribe to keep up with new episodes. Pass it along to a friend. Thanks again for joining. I hope you'll come back this Thursday for more. And in the meantime you can check out. Google dot com slash podcast.

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198: I CHOSE THIS LIFE WITH KIMBERLY OLSON AKA THE GOAL DIGGER GIRL. SALES, MARKETING, TIKTOK AND WHY WE MUST SHOW UP FOR OURSELVES AND ONLINE

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198: I CHOSE THIS LIFE WITH KIMBERLY OLSON AKA THE GOAL DIGGER GIRL. SALES, MARKETING, TIKTOK AND WHY WE MUST SHOW UP FOR OURSELVES AND ONLINE

"Welcome to the happy workaholic. Podcast I'm your host. Kellyanne Gorman over the past twenty years I've worked in beauty luxury corporate and service driven industries. I created the opportunity and these careers and in my own businesses that allow me to travel the world experience once in a lifetime events and build brands while providing my expertise to clients all around the globe. Life is short. And when you're given a second chance you better believe I'm going to take it. Celebrate it and share it with you. This show is intended to elevate your mind upgrade your business enhance your life and become part of a positive and uplifting community. If you're ready to take your business in life to that next level you deserve to be at. This is the show for you inspiration. Motivation and determination are what got me to wearing them today tune in every week to hear for myself other entrepreneurs professional patients small business owners and fellow podcasters who will be featured on the show. I'm here to remind you to work hard. Share your story. Follow your dreams and never ever give up. Thanks for taking the time to subscribe to the Happy Workaholic. Podcast today's episode starts now Hello and welcome back to a brand new episode of the Happy Workaholic. Podcast now you guys. Now that I'm pushing out all these new series an upcoming week so today I have a wonderful guest on and she is here for the. I chose this life series now. I started this podcast because I believed that everybody has a story to share so being organized self that I am. I've put it into series. So today we have Kimberly Olson on the show and she you might know her online as the gold digger girl and she is an entrepreneur like myself. She's an insane branding coach of bestselling author. She's a mom a podcast which I love fellow. Podcast a wellness educator. And she's here to share. Her story share her journey. And give us some tips and tricks on how to brand and market and just be your best self online kimberly. How excited to the on all my gosh. Thank you so much my pleasure and I was just on your show so this is like so much fun. We have such a good report so just such a force to be reckoned with. I'm so thankful that you team. It's like I just know that this is the beginning of you know definitely getting together. My Gosh thank you so much. You're saying that that's so nice. No I want to know how so you of your hands and a couple of different things which I do as well which I think makes you like the best type of entrepreneur always keeps you on your toes but I wanna know how you started. How did you bring everything online? What did you learn? I got you to kind of where you are right now and I love. I love sharing this just because I think there's a lot of people listening to bill France and they want to have a strong following media. Maybe they're off completely online but they don't know how they're not good enough or they don't have that is factored into it and anyone can do it so I was three years ago. Actually right now. I started with my first network marketing company and I was in a position where a friend had asked me eight time to join her teeth and I just wasn't. I have coming off of two backs back argument. That was unexpected. I wasn't really ready for motherhood and I have a lifelong of of depression anxiety in my family and inexperienced the law of art and so I had postpartum and then was pregnant again. Don't drink the water that whole like. Oh you can you can rest easy to do whatever you actress so just be careful and so the second what was coming and I was just like Kay you know. This is happening and the six weeks before she was born. I got girl for my job without any notice and I would have this big fancy job doing sales and education for a natural skincare company. And they'd eliminated territory. And I was I was like how could go get a job like that? You know and we had built archery home to brand new vehicles. We need all mistakes rolling in the Dow and with young family. I mean we daycare. It's like thousand out there who salary just aren't all so I was let go and Elliott came at absence may all. Italy's very art and I went. It was about five months of unemployed. I took drugs but I mean I had already struggled without the hall of us in it. Just got worse and worse. It just became a way to cope. You know. Just I felt angry. I felt upset every night I was late at night. Not was normal like the Like in my gut you know like how am I read when I was like mortgage you know just all so much fear and so. I just took a job locally. You know you just gotTa Hustle like to want out paying very well. It was an hour and a half of our house so I need to see my kids or even minutes. Today and to my friend had asked on our network. Marketing can't get much worse than this. You know in three years ago I said yes. I said you know what I'm just going to do it on the side just need a little extra money to start. Helpers like that's cool all right so I are six months. I made a couple of thousand a month. I had some initials as I ran out of market and everybody in my company was Teaching Bellini Valley. I would fly all over the country launching people. I was away from my family more and I just was at a point where I was like I might I am I am. I can't make this. I can't do that like I have no one else to talk to you at work and I just sat my car and I remembers the Friday after work. I had a my at my work. He was just awful. Terrorizing is my car and I started crying odd. If I'm supposed to do this leash to show me in a way approachable. I'm hungry. I WANNA change my family tree. I had just gone through ten. Eric overcome alcohol addiction completely clean and the next day someone tagged the video is crazy. Check was in a hurricane. She was teaching Social Media Arcane and she's freaking facebook live like s is awesome. So I signed up for her coaching program right away. I A huge advocate of pertain. I feel like it literally fast-tracked success and it gives you me. And she was doing it you know. She was doing it and she was having fast. Choose really big on personal branding. So I got her program at her star student. I would spend nights began every little nook and cranny of my day. I'm telling you I was all in it. I implemented everything she said No. I didn't just take out. I didn't just do the training. I acid imperfect action. Saw two thousand seventeen has started. Going live started Kosan. Social Media. Didn't know what I was doing. I had two hundred fifty guys. That's it that's no one and then I had didn't have an instagram account. I didn't have anything cell phone and so I think I'm just going to pay attention to what people were responding to new step and people start responding. They kept coming back and then they share it. I launched a facebook group and so two and a half years ago is when I launched online at Broken falling to over one hundred fifty thousand. I've hit multiple figures re different categories. I like you said two bestselling books on top rated podcasts. And I travel now. Speaking home said quit my job year and a half ago and I just into here for my family and help other with so I just absolutely love it. It's the best and I loved that. You also said you only had a small following a near cell. Phone the power behind your device. Your device is absolutely insane. I've recorded over one hundred podcast on my cell phone. Some of my clients still user iphone. It doesn't matter because you can fix in production or fix it with whatever the case may be but if you have a message you just share it right away like I said. There's so many times when I was originally diagnosed with MS years ago. First thing I did was do a facebook live. I was swearing. I was crying. I was asking for help. I was sharing my story like it was it was a shit show but I did it and now I have a podcast because of all of that you know so I just think it's so important to and I feel like when you go through something or you go through life in general I mean even now it's like corona virus everybody's blowing up my phone like are you okay. You're the one with the immune system that's down and I'm like listen. I'm going to get my nails done because if I go out today. I need to look good. I want my nails done the way I want like you. Just come out of things like in a different light and a different way and I feel like you know you're the voice reckon with because you've got to you know everybody has their story when you come out like you have almost like a new vision of like how you WanNa live and that's exactly what you just did. Now you're living like this dream life and you're in charge of it when I went through all the problems with alcohol so that's also in both sides up the chain like it's just a problem side that when when I was like because it really is an addiction. Like if you've never experienced it like people go up to quit. It's quitting eating at you. Don't lose your used to be really overweight college. It's just not and so when I was in it. I there was so much torment until we do. This is a thing I want you. You'd hear that so if you're listening right now when you say you're going to do something work on your business so maybe you say you know what I'm GonNa do piece today or I'm going to map content work. I'm a retired people in you. Don't you not doing it? Your subconscious is like calling. Yes I knew. But you also don't feel aligned. So that's where the disconnect cops that's where the frustration comes news the lack of belief in yourself so when I was going through that you know that really dark stage and then I I worked through it. I did reprogramming like subconscious line-stop intensive for six weeks. I was like lady. I'll do whatever you say that I did it. I did everything she said. Every day I was able to achieve automatic conscious mind when it came out of it I was like. Oh My Gosh. This is like this whole new world like every day. I wake up like awesome. I like WANNA crush it. I think I'm awesome. I think I can help people. That's where the fire comes from like. I don't have to be ice all like you like. I don't have to and I know you shared liking to teach for you like creatively and it. Just how you're calling a different place. I just love how volume you are. What you share. And I think that's what's so amazing is I had to go through the darkness to other people who are in Dar es and that's why I can't sleep. I have to go to make myself read about La Flyer because my kids waiting for hours. I'm on fire to impact other people. They can handle. What yet get through that darkness but when you do you like fired you know with your house or any of this fire at us to help other people. And you don't have to motivate yourself so I actually think I went through that I feel like I'm more relatable and I think people go. She's had now. She said she didn't know what she was doing. She can do it. I can't do it you know. And that makes really helpful exactly and I just love interviewing other guests on the show. You know besides myself talking because I think it's so important for people listening that we didn't get to where we are you know it's not just like a following it's not just a number at lake. We all hustle. We all went through crazy like jobs. Life situations health journeys to like. Make us who we are and get us to where we are like. Everybody has such a unique journey. And that's why I created the series because I just want more of us to share it so that everybody we're all human we're all just trying to survive and do something that love while you're at it now being a mom and working from home and doing all the things I'm like. Ocd organized and I have a whole highlighting situation and everything on my calendars. So I always love asking my guests like what is your routine when it comes to you. Like scheduling and organizing. Do love writing it down. Are You all digital? What's your typical way of getting organized for like the month that we like? What are some of the tips that you can share independent? One is writing a book. I am writing actually. It's almost done that you hear this. Not so wonderful. So when I'm doing something creative I will write it down penalty for so people actually gravity on the other Forty so sometimes you know the younger you are. You tend to like digital anyway but if it's creative already penny paper and then. I'll have someone else. Write the notes up for me and then if I'm planning off because I do U2 As fuck. And then I've got multiple things when I'm planning out. All of my video marketing. I actually do it. Penalty Burn Oak. And then I put it in Trello after so I use cello for everything. So I'm network harketting. I do coaching. Obviously a huge part of what I do but we have to manage our leads right so I actually use a Trello and then I just like the highlighter. I use the labels on it and it's just visually beautiful. I always put every head or at the top. I make a graphic on slasher. I'll throw it into a camp artworks back in. I'll I'll title it with that beautiful girl boss image and I point at each share my training rookie bullseye kind of Jazz. But that's help so I actually use it or opt for content. Social Media Video. Marketing may leave like I said. I'm coaching clients Awards them such a really great tool for me by Bruce Instructor. Use it to communicate projects. There's like different things out there. Obviously but I really liked the VILLIAN around really fast. They will they? I used to Trillo years ago knows in Vegas was filming a TV show. And I used it for our scenes and for the cast and I did love it for that because I was so stressed out during the whole process. I needed my colors. I needed to be organized near like running around like a lunatic. And so one of my producers. She's like you need Trello. What are you doing? And I'm like okay. We'll tell me what I need to start using Trello but now starting to get back digitally but right now. It's like my office. I have on my calendars. I have everything written down but now I'm doing more. I'm bringing more things back online. See I get it. It's like preference and yet the little ones the twenty year olds they love everything online. You might miss my planner. There's an APP for that. And it's funny. Actually I think that like you said the calendars. I think you have to figure out your system so I use. Google can't on her. Everything and I walked calendar which is kind of the key things onto something or doing special asser over is really promotion. Like if I ever look over there and then have done no gray hair where it's like all the things that have to be done and then today's little less funny is that but it just works from where it's too and I'm happy. I know you just need your. I think mine's like a bit excessive. So like if you're at sitting at my desk always have a notebook in every day after. I down my to do list for my clients over my style and then I have like my laptop in front of me on my left. I have my planner and then in front I have a whole podcast board so brands and pitching guests. I'm pitching cou. I'm recording with what shows on and then I have like PR marketing media like. It's all broken down and then I have my calendars around that are all mapped out for the entire year for personal business and life goals so everyday. I write down how I'm achieving them or what I've done so it's a tracking system and then I remember what the Hell I'm doing day for your podcast for it. You said that in front of you so is it just sitting there. Yes so I have well their sheets of paper. I have pinned to the wall and it's broken down by guess. I pitch guests so I have broken down per series so right now there's three series so I have all the guests coming on for each series and then I have an e an are and I- circle it when I've emailed them. I circle it when we're done recording. And then it gets highlighted in yellow when the show goes live so that for the three series and then on the side I have a list of all my pr media all of that and then a list to pitch brands. Same system so much because I find a lot of entrepreneurs are just so disorganized that they get into paralysis analysis and so they sit down and like. I don't even know what to do. I I think what you just said with that. The Bat the system is just a little. What your system as I like I do that to label things. Like how like the alleged? But what's your system so every time you're doing something if you notice you're like Oh this is repetitive. Like do what's Nice to stop and when you come up with a system then you know what to do next time in eventually passed. What else take it over? It's not a money making activity of joy. There's a system that could Erkki scale. You can see someone else to do it so I think that that's really cool that you assess for everything that you do. The research is if I just have to. I would lose my mind if I wasn't and then on the first of every month I do everything like so on my desktop. So right now I'm almost at Twenty podcast that I've produced which is nuts and I have four. That are going out brand new this month. So four episodes launch with each of those shows and then. I have to pitch them all to put them on ten different syndicated platforms for each one of those shows. So that part's a little crazy and so on my desktop. I have a folder where anything I've done throughout the month. As soon as I've done it gets dropped into that folder. I don't look at it until the first of the month. And then on the first of the month I organize them all into a folder that it belongs to for the client and then it all goes to my dropbox digitally another cloud and then it goes to my external hard drive so God forbid anything gets lost. I have backed up in like five spot. And then I have an excel spreadsheet where track all my numbers social downloads money. Everything always on the first month so I know every first of them and then my clients know like okay. I'm getting a dropbox link from her today because it's the first amount and they have all their stuff if they ever need a backup. Yeah so always and I have a yeah so and I have a PC. So I have to do the security for it and I do like test. Like malware do everything so the first of the month is a crazy day. But it's like it gives it like brings me back to like my luxury travel days where. I have real excel spreadsheets like. I don't take into like the formula extent is just looking at numbers like very basic and I've actually uses form I've given it to. It's actually a free download. I Have I've given it to a lot of my friends. And they use it to manage their household so they just take out like social media channels and podcasts and all that and they put in their house expenses their bills kids Clothing cost or groceries. Or whatever in that way like attracting system that's it it's so basic but it like just works that way. I can run my business. It's in my phone. I can look at stuff. It's crazy what we can do is running. This is like literally from like one off but you know listening because some people like I wanna tell them what I do each content like what. Just start where you're at work on. Okay what's one more worse Amar place as an every time you do that. Like these cliver. Wherever repeat those steps you can capture them and write them down. Make a chart or something. You can track that it's been dot is going to be a and then you'll get flow on it and it's it's amazing what you can create when you replace and you know one thing you said. Kellyanne you said. I would lose my mind if I wasn't organized. A lot of people look. They're losing their. You know it's all up in here in your head. It literally jumbles everything. And it stresses you out causing any feeling like not doing it not to be doing like. I said that this enact and so it's works to stop in like carpools and get a digital detox day where you just go through your email your stop and say okay. What does this look like run? As and did he st in Jewish lucky. I T C h one of the things that always stuck with issues like these women her wanting to run million dollar empires and they're operating crappy laptop. That doesn't make any sense. So it's like look figure out what you need to grow your business no way that you want to get organized taking the time to get get teammates that you even. If it's five hours a week I get people in place. You won't grow until you were any votes geller. That's what I think that leads. Oh I absolutely agree now I WANNA talk to you about Tick Tock because I know talk show a little bit. But can you give? I think. Let's say three misconceptions about tick Tock right now. Dr. Yeah one of them is consumption. Is it not to look out In his actually I just heard it just passed one million users which instagram away locker to though as blowing up it is something that everybody needs to draw even if you use it to create something that you could drop into instagram at these extreme to repurpose content. You definitely need to be their getting a cow. You know if the lay of the land the second thing would be that is just for twelve year olds in absolutely not just for twelve year olds. Is You know that you can monetize your tic TAC. When you get to over a thousand dollars you can go live in. The lives are different or Iran. And they're gone but while you're live people can give you honey so you basically load up your account and when someone else's money in real time than And WHO's more likely to have that happen a twelve year old? That's just as around for if you've probably opt for female entrepreneur. Who's teaching valuable writer sharing insights hips or just wanted like no in her life. The life coach door. So it's not just for twelve year olds in fact if you are thirty forty fifty sixty new. Do have a grant of business that you you can actually more blatantly promoted not tic. Tac that you could. Instagram is really need to be called her. Cheerios imposed handling everything. In its or TIC TAC. I've done video straight up. That say every day is Saturday at my house. You know too Little Chevy on the answer. Not much survive. And you don't have to do. I'll say every day is Sunday at my house. WanNa know how how do I would? I run a business for my cell phone people like I mean it's so as poker instagram. So if you want to really laboratory get discovered you still can. You don't have to have a big Ali or video. I wrong I mean I just had over ten thousand us on it. I get that on facebook. But that's you see for like my really videos and other misconception is that it is hard to figure out right The absence thing and do all these crazy things. You don't talk. You can't think you know if you WanNa like you fund. You Know Tom and to actually figure out how to use it. It's just like Instagram facebook pointing I got on this story. I didn't even know how to send it. It's now you know. There's like the airplane this out a picture. I know so it saying just a natural learning her and I retain. Don't wait because the longer you wait. The last Mostly is in it can go viral. It goes away and see everybody will be on there. I'll be coupled it so now's a really really protecting. I love it. You mentioned the monetize part. Do you know about the hype. House the hype houses in La and. They're fifteen sixteen kids. They're not even twenty one. I think they're all under eighteen. I'm not sure don't quote me on that but it's a content house and they all use it for tick tock they live there to produce content for tick tock and they're making fifty grand plus her tick tock her person and so when they moved into the hype house. They only had their teens. They're so young. They have like Rama noodles. They could. They didn't have any furniture. They were all using each other. Not all of them sleep there but they all go there to film content so they only have two bathrooms to work with so some of the kids that were physically sleeping there. They couldn't sleep at night because of all. These take talkers that were coming to film their content in their bathroom because it had the best lighting. So now they use. It's a mansion in Los Angeles. It's insane and they have an instagram. I guess the Hype House. I think that's their handle. But they're making a ridiculous amount of money on talk and they're everything is going viral left and right and there's I feel like it's sixteen fourteen or sixteen of them but it's a content house like this is the world that we live in. Somebody got them a house. They do viral content like repeatedly like together. And then. Because I feel like a lot of those videos on tick tock when you tag someone. I've been researching this a lot but when you do something together or how does that work when you tag like if I wanted to do like you did a video and I wanted to do it with you. Tag Your old video okay. It doesn't show up on my page so I did something about working from home. And then you went to that that you do. Click the share button. One of the choices says duet. Okay while you're recording mine's going and you're like you can take back up. Wanted to kind of young girl. You know like okay and I get I so people who've done do I'll share my story and that connects to my audience. And I like that. You do that with me. But it doesn't show up on the person you do with. It doesn't show up on their age. Just that includes cool because if you do that deem as you know who's got a good following out like you out or a call you back and then yeah what you said about you know. Just the the growth possibility. Yeah they'd say the Hash Tags so the biggest thing is that with us kids are figuring out is into very much about what's trending right now So that's why it's so easy for anyone to go viral if you when you go to the homepage is calling you on instagram. When you go there what's trending. So what you want to do to get started is just look at. What's trending look at the topic? And it's something that worked for you so say it was trending about. I think that you don't know how everyone's doing video as funny. Funny things and you're like teacher. I'll do that. You watch the train videos and you mimic that. You're all you fall. The you're also supposed to use the song that's used to the triumph and the hashtags if use the HASHTAG. Same Song at follow. The format tic TAC likes that. I don't know why it's just a way that it's set up. It's very much about trends You're fifty second clip. So if you WANNA get into account all of a sudden and I would go card for like a week. Just post like once or twice a day for weeks to get in get dirty. You know what I mean. Figure it out You never know if you can do that and get the hang of. I bet you I bet hugh you probably have on any of that really gets great. Traction I love that. You just said you never know. Because that's the world we live in. You never know tech lead. You need to look into the hype. House I know Susan. Can you imagine? Oh my God one of the things I love about Tick Tock. Now I did a facebook live about this last week. I think is that I feel like. It's so great to like bring families together in community because there's so many I was calling it. I go down at tick. Tock tunnel like I wanted to start the hash take tunnel you go on there and you just get sucked for like an hour and a half and there's so many grandparents coming on and doing all. These dance moves with their grandchildren. Now's like that's the power of the Internet. You know some people can say. Oh we can't be this whole time but look you. Guys are bonding. That never would have happened. You know things like that and you know it's cool like I have a couple ladies that I work with their sixties. And they're like on five. I tic TAC. It's parking excitement. Creativity life back into them realize like you're not old He'll learn the stuff at any age. And guess what you're going to attract a whole market of over who are sixty something going shoot. She can do an hour and learn how to do it. You know and inspire them. Those are my favorite pages to how I love. And then there's this one. I wish I could remember his name. I'll have to look so what he does is he. He's in San Francisco. La and he goes to random strangers on the streets with his camera and he says. Can I do a photo shoot with you and its video on Tick Tock? It's this beautiful experience and his shot. Incredible and then on instagram. He shows a professional image from stopping random strangers and doing like a photo op like out of the blue and then post the images on instagram and on his feet and on his story and things like that like creativity is what like fuel so many of us entrepreneurs he could have been broke. Let's say and now he's like all I have is my camera and now he's created this insane brand from Tick Tock. It's like the power of your phone again. It's insane yeah. No it's true and I think I heard this quote. A lack of a lack of creativity is just the lack of So true really tempted to showing up wherever that is. And you know what you're not. GonNa until you get on there you might get out there and the Oh my gosh. There's this girl that she's doing okay with her facebook and instagram. But she's just not really crushing it. She used to be a dancer she gets. Take Talk and she's falling in love. She literally danced showed her nightly creamer. You're right for date night. She puts on a basket. Five minute video went crazy. Haven't loves dancing. Balboa stays where she can just be herself up and she is crushing. It Chesley said so. You'd never know it might suits. You do not have to be solely on responded topics today. No that's the thing and I also feel like with network marketing. I feel like in my opinion the most successful women and men in network marketing. No matter what the company is they never mentioned the product and I feel like the best way to it is for you to be relatable because you're telling your story you're sharing your story and how the product helps you and your family how it helps. Your Life. Whatever. The products may be the case may be and looking at tick tock and very viral videos half of them. Because I'm like a research. Queen are all in a network marketing company. And I feel like it makes you more relatable and a couple of my clients are in network marketing companies and one of them. Launched launched a podcast. Actually it was about postpartum depression. Because it wasn't a business podcast. She messaged me. Oh my gosh years ago and she said would this even make sense and I'm like you're searching for the content. It's not available for you. Share your story now. She has a podcast all of our post depression. She's an network marketing company. She's relatable boom. There's our business like it's insane. How you never mentioned in the product. But you're sharing your story and people just want happiness. People want what you're selling at the end of the day but not in sales away in a relatable way like maybe the products for you but like you're still GonNa follow that person because the real it's a likability yup techniques. You've really just ourselves. Yeah really ever pretense and and also from what? I can tell you. Can't you can't s at u unless you all of them yeah. I noticed that yeah all the stuff that we got when we first got on instagram and a little bit facebook so I think that's another reason why people are able to bind real lease comment a generally genuinely want to know more about what you're you're sharing And they have to follow each other out that conversation and I several people mentioned better really getting good at bringing take chocolates over to facebook chats with Ashley. There'd be people that day you've got company on their videos and they're like Oh let's have baseball. Let me tell you more about that. Where is s and their Iranian right over to facebook? How much of these? That is so amazing. That really is like. That's a very quick turnaround and that's just the power of your phone again. It's always back to our cellular device like what we can do with the business when you're passionate and creative and you just go like you just you see if it works you know. I've had businesses that I've had to close the doors on. And then you move on you know but like you learn from them it helps you grow as a person and in a business owner. Gets you to be more creative. When things don't work out sometimes like let's try another way especially with social media like if you have a game plan of certain types of content and after a couple of weeks you're like I don't think they really worked. And then you try something else just like blows up like it's insane but that's just I feel like such the journey that we're on as entrepreneurs it's like trial in an hour and then you just stick to what you know and what works best. 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Ep. 005: Covid-19 Pandemic Response Hurt by Health-care Industry Political Spending: Health-care Professionals Sound Alarm

Citizen Reformers

49:32 min | 5 months ago

Ep. 005: Covid-19 Pandemic Response Hurt by Health-care Industry Political Spending: Health-care Professionals Sound Alarm

"Welcome to the citizen reformers podcast dedicated to telling inspiring stories of citizens making democracy work. Today is Friday April Twenty fourth and I'm Michael Deal your host and producer of citizen reformers. In, this episode, I'll be speaking with three healthcare professionals and American. Promise Citizen Meters Ellen Greenbush from Port Clinton Ohio, who has a PhD in clinical psychology in a master's degree in nursing. Marie Hen Cellular Kimmel from Cherry Hill? New Jersey. An obstetrician gynecologist who practiced for twenty five years and Robbie Duda from Ann Arbor Michigan. Advanced practice. Registered nurse. Our listeners will be interested to hear the inspiring story of how these three health care industry professionals came to share their concern over the influence of corporate lobby in setting policy that affects patients quality of care, and why they have volunteered to help lead American promises nonpartisan campaign calling for a constitutional amendment to reduce the influence of big money in politics. Good Morning Ellen Rian Robbie. Thanks so much for joining us today. Our audience looks forward to learning more about your experience in healthcare and your perspective on the impact of political spending especially now, with the covid nineteen pandemic, which is drawing more attention to issues about access end to end the cost of healthcare. So thanks again, you're all citizen leaders with American promise, and each of you have also had a very impressive careers in the healthcare field. Maybe it'd be best if just ask that each of you introduce yourself to our audience and tell us a little bit about yourselves and why you decided to volunteer with the American promise. Ellen, would you like to begin? Sure by professional background is a clinical psychologist and I also have a a master's degree in nursing. So I've worked in both of those fields. and. The way I got into American promise is that I grew up about a block from Lake Erie. And I've had a home on the lake for most of my adult life. So it's been a great source of pleasure for me. And I really? Love, that natural resource that we have in. Ohio. and. In Twenty Fourteen Toledo face the water crisis where we had to. Shut. Down our drinking water because the algae rebels Mike Jerry. And boy that really devastated may just because of the fact that we really do our where the phosphates are coming from, it's concentrated animal feeding operations, but. No one will do anything about it and. I started to think about all other kinds of issues that were important to me and the the overriding commonality was. Individual people have very little power and influence to make changes because of the huge effect of corporations incorporate money. So. That's how I got involved with American promise because. I. Thought. It s tackling the issue abolish us. Thank you L., and we'll come back to that Lake Erie experience. But let me ask Marie introduce yourself and let us know why you joined the American. Promise. Thanks for hosting this Michael, is going to be a great conversation because I've had some very conversations already with my colleagues on this. Episode. My name is Mary Has Seldom Komo, and I am a physician I trained. On originally from Long Island New York and I trained in Philadelphia at. Noon it's Hahnemann University School of Medicine, which is no longer. And I practiced Obgyn and southern New Jersey for twenty four years and have left medicine because of some health problems a couple of years ago. Through, the course of my career I saw repeated times when there were huge challenges to my patients being able to afford medications or afford insurance or be able to consider having necessary surgical procedures and found that the escalating costs their health insurance or their drug coverage with inadequate that they cut an access, the care that they needed many times, they were losing their insurance and you know much of this, of course was through the. Affordable Care Act the fights over developing the legislation. And as I saw the legislation being developed by saw that. Insurance Company, lobbying with having tremendous influence over what was ultimately included in the legislation, and that really made me angry because the need was to provide care to my patients than to all the American. Actress to all of these things to the care of the medications and the insurance companies and the drug companies were winning out and I thought how you know, how can this be when the majority of Americans? See that there's a need and money of the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies is influencing what we ultimately get to improve our our access to healthcare so that frustration had been sitting with me and when I saw with, you know attacks on what we did have in our healthcare insurance that was offered through the affordable care repeatedly I finally decided it was time to do something, and again as Ellen has defied the money that allowed insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies and other special interest groups to have. A tremendous influence over what would be best for the health of Americans, really moved me to act and I found American promise to be an avenue to able to make progress on changing that pattern. Thank you. Thank you. Re Robbie Leterrier Story I. My name is Ravi Duda and I am a registered nurse. I trained at the University of Michigan. And I have been in private practice as. A health and wellness educator for seniors. I'm a board certified geriatric. Nurse. And I came to American promise. Sort of a roundabout way I noticed many years ago that some of my patients which I clogged clients really are there well were getting these things called Av shunts in their arms and. They were telling me that this was happening because their doctor said that they were needed to have this in. In case they needed to have dialysis. It was a surprise to me because these were. Fairly. Well, keep all I mean. I didn't really understand this and I also noticed that. So my clients were getting calls from their doctors offices to come in, and it was a surprise, call them because they had not known that they needed to make a visit and so. Fast. Forward, I really didn't know at all this was but fast forward to maybe a couple years ago, and then I started things like a people were focusing on eating like six meals a day, and yet this force for treatment of type two diabetics and obesity, and yet the latest science has been shown that really reducing the number of meals that you're eating and also reducing it to a time zone of maybe an eight hour ten hour window was much more effective and yet why was the nutrition industry still continuing to talk about something that has been old science? So, then I can to actually another group called represent us with started to see that you know politics was just going awry here and I wanted to do something and A. So I ended up going to the closest convention which was American promise last fall and I met Eleanor, Marie, there, and they were telling me about all of these things that were going on in the industry to affect why are these for all these unnecessary procedures? Procedures going on wires is the focus on not the latest science as far as health and nutrition goes, and they had me read the book American sickness and I was blown away the about how the lobbying affects. So much of the healthcare that people get and as a nurse, I was ashamed that I did not know this did not notice. So that's how I became involved and then nine here in dedicated to get the word out. That's interesting. The three of you coming from different areas of the country. Ohio. New. Jersey Michigan. You all were added a an American promise event last fall help for some of our listeners. They may not know much about American promise maybe have never heard of them. Could you kind of explain how you came together and y American? Promise? What is it? Does it do for American Prometheus? Murray. American promise with founded. It's a nonprofit, a citizen Advocacy Organization founded by Jeff Clement, WHO's the president? He was a former assistant attorney general in the State of Massachusetts. When there were investigations, I, guess you would say into the tobacco companies working to get their advertising close to school to be able to influence the purchase habits and the tobacco use habits of students. and. So he had worked on money in politics and the effects, the citizens. United, decision and twenty ten, and he ultimately decided just one American promise to be able to. Platform or citizens concerned about the effect of money in politics throughout the nation to work on a solution to the effects of money in politics by a constitutional amendment, overturn the effects of the citizens united, which said that there could not be limitations and political fending I- corporations and special interest groups and union that money was a form of speech. And so. From has chapters in various parts of the country and we worked to educate the citizenry and we work to. Get the support of our congressional leaders wore resolution for an amendment, which is the first part of what has to happen for a constitutional amendment to be passed and one that is a passed by two thirds of the Congressional representative. Then it would be sent back to the states and three quarters of the states need to ratify it for it to become an official part of the. To our Constitution. So we work to educate the citizenry to get support of the state level and right now, there are twenty states that have nonbinding resolutions supporting this amendment, and at the same time, we're working to increase the number of congressional representative and the conference that we will all at the national. Citizen Leadership Conference in. October, at the end of October is a several day event with education and training for citizen leaders from around the country, and then followed by a lobby day, and if I'm not mistaken, I believe that we held a hundred seventy meetings with members of Congress at our, lobby. Day. Just an October to ask for their support and to champion their support for the current amendment resolution in both the House and the Senate. That was great. Marie. Thank that. One of the things that you've brad out is that American promise is a working group were just not a group of people who go to meetings and. You. Know get educated. We are very active chapters in many states in the country, and one of the things that we do is that we talk to our legislators we meet with them. We try to develop relationships with them because we believe that personal relationships will help us educate an influence fab and I. Think. The other piece is that we are across partisan groups. So we really work with people of all political parties and trying to get our message out. So the National Meeting NC L., C.'s a great place to meet people I had met. Marie. In a previous year and we had been on calls together throughout the year and I had also gone to some of the sessions back, Elizabeth doty did and she developed a group called business for American promise. And I started to think and I think Marie was thinking the same thing if the time. You know that we should do the same thing for health care because it's the. largest industry in the country and all the different things that have been happening that both Marie and Robbie is mentioned, and so we just put our heads together and then it happened that I sat next to Robbie at lunch one day and restarted to talk, and so it really was kind of of the spontaneous thing that we got together and started to think about. Healthcare workers for. American promise. So that's the beginning of the CO conspirators. To together. Right. That's right. One thing Michael. That I'd like to add this is Robbie is that I actually found out that their affiliates American. Promise groups back in Michigan, and so I came back and I actually was able to find a local group to work with, and then we actually did hold a lobby day we went to Lansing, Michigan, that capital Michigan an met with our legislators many of them. Them when we had people from around the state that were also in two other affiliate groups. So many of these groups are joining American promise because they have a common goal and when I was at the American promise meeting, I found that they were even other groups there that had tables out. That were also being brought together and joining the American promise in their efforts. Marie, you mentioned about the you know money and politics, and the role of the lobbyists from the insurance companies and the drug companies. How do the three of you feel when you go on lobby days and when you talk with your legislators, do you feel like they give you the same access and time that these big money lobbyists are are able to gain? Well. You know they appeared to I, have to say I'm from Ann, Arbor Michigan, and our legislators. Very, good, and I also meet with them at coffee hours and they know that I'm a nurse and they know that the issues that I am very very involved in and concerned about. So I, think that. Just, showing up and being the face and really helps I believe that the representative that we've met with have been respectful and had given us a good amount of time when we met them with on Capitol Hill although I have to say I'm from New Jersey and the representative that I have both of our header, New Jersey, booker and Menendez and we we my group represents two districts in new? Jersey, the first and the third and both of our representatives, Andy Kim and norcross are co-sponsors of the legislation so. So, we get a good reception, but I do know that our other group here in New Jersey who have lobbied come up the representatives in the past who have not been receptive. They generally say that they are very tired of the fundraising that they have to do to compete politically and their campaign you and they would like to see big money taken out of the equation. But they're little wettest than to sign on because they feel like their party leadership is of a mind to support the the resolution yet. The problem is that there's been studies shown leave Princeton. University, in. Twenty, fifteen if I'm not mistaken had a study that showed that corporations and special interest groups, industry's lobbyists. have. Much more power when they spend money. On campaign donations and with lobbying with money holding fundraisers, they do bundling. There's one of the things that happened with money in Congress. The name lobbying that has much more power. There's I think something like seven, hundred, sixty dollars of benefits whether it be tax subsidies or regulations that favor industries out of every dollar of lobbying money spent by these special interest groups with the calculation I believe from this study, which is mind-boggling. BLOWS MY, mind. When I think about it, we're called lobbyists or citizen lobbyists Wego with our voices and with data about how the majority of the population across the political spectrum on studies going back for more than a decade. Shows repeatedly that across the political spectrum, the majority of Americans favor getting money out of politics that Americans feel. There's too much money and that it influences decision away from position points supported by the majority of voters, but not reflected in the legislation that's passed by Congress, statistics range anywhere from. Seventy five percent of Americans supporting mess. Some of the studies have shown up to eighty five to ninety percent of Americans supporting getting big money out of politics. So we go with that type of information to our legislators and encouraging them to do what they should be doing, we feel which is to represent the wishes of their constituents. Not Represent the wishes of the people with the most money to influence them. We also sympathize with them about how much money does take to run for office, and we want to offer them a solution, an alternate solution to be able to get away from that rat race, and you know we have to let them know that we believe that this can work in. There are other places that it does work where they have limited money involved in politics and just encouraging them to be brave and find a way to work with the mother legislators to advance our cause. I guess another in addition to Co.. I liked the term that you used Marie citizen lobbyists and I guess I'm kind of amazed given your careers in Health Care Ellen is a clinical psychologist Marie UN Obgyn and Robbie and geriatric care. Now, this making this transition to kind of going and speaking to your legislators and learning about money and politics. How, easy or how hard is that transition Ben for you to become knowledgeable and you know for our listeners who care about these issues. But maybe like you never had any real experience in politics before it can be kinda daunting to think about going into a legislator's office. Yeah, this is Alan. You know I spent most of my career in an office talking one on one with a person with people. So conversation part of needing with legislators wasn't. Difficult for me but. I really had to increase my knowledge base because I wanted to go in with facts and persuasive arguments right on the tip of my tongue so that I could really engage legislators, but another part of it is that American promise that they just didn't. Have US go into those legislator's offices unprepared. Have a man who trains us. Sam Daley. Harris and he's really known throughout the country for helping citizens learn how to lobby. And he's actually done some training with us at some of the conferences and. On. Conference calls and that has been a wonderful help. My group I think this is true of Maria and Roddy also we practice before we go in to a legislator's office. At least initially we. So, that we're prepared and as a group, we know what role each person is going to have. So, there are a lot of things that make what would seem to be a daunting task much easier for us because we do feel prepared. I Agree Ellen and you know as health professional, we're very used to the idea that we need to continue to educate ourselves because healthcare evolve the knowledge base for healthcare evolved that we need to stay informed about what has changed, what recommendations there are, and this is Alan says a different knowledge base, but American, promise provides a good. Framework to learn about these. And there are resources. Share among ourselves or trying to get. Further information to support whatever industry we're concerned about, and we all everyone in American promise has different concerns. Ellen mentioned her other concern about environmental issues with collusion. I have other concerned about the immigration situation because the private prison industry has had a lot to do with what happened with immigration, and for that matter our prison system, you know we've talked about healthcare. There's of course, the fossil fuel company. There's information on all of these issues, and that's the other reason why I decided to work with American promise because so many ills in our political system right now, come back to. Influence, that the money the corporate lobbying and the corporate donations have on what legislation is passed, and of course. Gun violence reform as the t one there that we've been struggling with as a nation, you know for years now. So there's a resource to find the information, and then as Ellen said, it's I find it very natural as well because what do you do and healthcare you you? Look at a problem, identify what the basis for that health problem is, and you make recommendations based on evidence and data, and you know try to influence behavior to get a better outcome. Curtis and lobbying. What we do same process in robby. You've mentioned sitting down next to L. and that conference and. You know kind of your eyes opened a bit to some of these issues. So how is your learning curve progress since then well, I'll have to be honest with you. I was a legislative lands on many many years ago for the Michigan Nurses Association and what I would do is I would keep my legislators to date on things at the Michigan nurses was in concerned about and educate them on issue. So I have been doing this for a long time, but what I like about American promise is it's educational model and hand holding. Frankly, I think it's really good for new bringing New People along and getting them comfortable very quickly. It's model very much after citizens climate lobby, which is a group that I also impart of. So I have to say both of them were excellent support for this and I had also looked at represent data. So it was just a chance meeting with. L. N. and Marie, and I'm very very pleased. But there is no other group that's going to be so focused as getting healthcare providers together and drilling down into this, what is affecting this money is affecting, the healthcare, and how are we going to deal with it? So I'm very excited be together with Ellen Marie is get this group. And utilize all of the options and support that American. Promise provides to do it. I was surprised to learn that the three of you collaborated on congressional testimony. Tell us a little bit about that experience. This is Allen. We started out by writing our ideas and sharing them in a document and we wanted to come up with a statement of principle. And kind of iron that out with one another. And really came up with a finished product after a couple months of back and forth. And we then send it in. American, promise to look at and then it just so happened that like two days later. Jeff. Clemenza was going to be testifying on the House Constitutional Amendment Bill. I think it's h Jr to, and so American promise said, Hey, this is perfect and so really it was sort of a serendipitous thing that happened that just as we had submitted it to them, Jeff took it and used it for testimony. The Bill H., J. House joint resolution to the first bipartisan amendment resolution having been offered. There was in the last congress, there was bipartisan support, but this is the first time where the first resolution submitted. It has bipartisan primaries authorship. So this House Committee hearing on Constitution Civil Rights and civil liberties I believe is the name of have committee was the beginning of February and it was me I how tearing on an amendment Aleutian to work on this limiting of campaign contributions and political spending. So we were pretty thrilled that are hitting. The principal could be submitted as testimony showing that there is interest from many parts of our citizenry and of our industries as healthcare providers being represented was key. We had business leaders, submit testimony as well from American promise and I believe there was a statement from veterans and possibly, I, think. Think that we do have a segment that our farmers and I believe that the farmers as well had. It wasn't a statement of principle. But I do believe that they put together a statement, his submit because it's important that Congress that was that many if not, all of segments of the American population are affected by this problem in one way shape or form greet I'd like to go back to the impact on health care and your experience stir your careers. I believe Robbie, you mentioned the example of The AV shunts in the arms that were being recommended by the doctors for. People that were generally healthy and I thought I was struck by that example. I'm just wondering if Marie Ellen. If there are other examples that you might sight of how money in the healthcare industry has actually affected individuals and patient care. Our one but very current and the middle of what's happening right at this moment as many people are aware that there's a problem with surprise medical billing, and what that is is that people have insurance that our coverage for the bill. If they go to a participating facility, a participating hospital, per se. So go to an emergency room for a problem that they have. That is A. Hospital. So they should have limited co pays or deductibles going to a participating hospital, but there's been a move among healthcare staffing companies that have been bought out by private equity firms. So emergency room physicians are often contract into a hospital by a physician staffing from and the private equity back from in particular have been notorious for not participating in any insurances. So these doctors work at the hospital and the hospital is participating. You've correctly gone to a participating hospital, but then the doctor that sees you isn't participating in your program. So all of a sudden, there's a bill for several thousand dollars for the care that you received in bothell that was participating at the surprise medical bill. The private equity firm have formed a dark money organization called Doctor Patient unity sounds wonderful. Right? It sounds like doctors and patients are working together to look out for the best interest of. Oh well, it's not have anything to do with patients. It's a group that is actively working against legislation that making its way through. Congress to end this surprised medical billing because people shouldn't be faced with thousands of dollars a build when they've correctly followed the will of their insurance and gone to a participating hospital. Just in the fall, they were pretty close to getting some success in passing this legislation. And the dark money behind doctor's patient unity was able to dissuade legislators from passing it, and in the first Maybe not the very first release. Still Corona virus. But I think it was in the second two, trillion relief bill. One of the things that was being considered is that. People sculling for that testing and treatment should not be subjected to surprise medical billing. Well, the lobbying from doctor-patient patient unity and other groups. Against the you know they're trying to keep their surprise medical billing because that's a lot of money in their pockets were in there working. And they got that exclusion taken out. So here we are in the middle of the pandemic where people need care to protect their lives and public health, the lives of the population. And these lobbyists with their money were able to glued legislation that would have protected people from being hit with the prize medical bills at a time when they potentially facing life threatening infections and have probably lost their job because we have stay at home orders. I. Mean It's Connecticut Long, and if that's not immoral I, just as you can hear, I'm very upset about it and that's as current as you get. Briefer our listeners, they may not not clear either on dark money you've mentioned that and we understand the insurance companies lobbying on legislation in its impact. But could you clarify the dark money part of it got? So from other court rulings that came after the citizens united. Ruling, in twenty ten. Enabled there to be organization that could accept. Political spending without having to disclose who the donors were. So. That's what the dark is done in darkness. It's behind a closed door and they don't have to disclose to the public or to the IRS who? Are, that's where the dark money comes. That's why it's called that it doesn't have anything to do with nefarious. It can be various, it doesn't have to be in this area is organizations are called social welfare organizations five. Oh, one C. Corporations, organizations, and groups that many people would look at as. Having a good mission like the ACLU, you know some of the climate protection certificate, Planned Parenthood League of women. Voters. American. Promise for that matter has a five, a one C three organization to be able to take in donation. The question is like, for instance, American promise. If you go onto their website, they do disclose who who their donors are in what level for over a certain amount I think it's a couple of hundred dollars above. It will west that who the people are that have donated that there aren't any people that have donated above ten thousand dollars. So we don't have millions, but there are these dark money groups that get millions of dollars and when investigative reporters dig into them. Some of them literally have one or two donors with multi, millions of dollars. So it makes it sound like if they group with a wide level of support through the population and it's one or two entities that have donated the money into that group. Thanks, thanks for clarifying that Worry Ellen. Did you have any examples on impact of healthcare that you wanted to add? One is like Maria really concerned with? This. Cold nineteen pandemic. And as I'm reading the newspaper and so forth, I see pictures of oil execs. You know going to the Oval Office lobbying and airline corporations lobbying and. One of the things about healthcare workers is that. We are in the front lines of caring for people. and. Healthcare workers don't have time to lobby right now. You know it's an overwhelming situation for the people that are doing all of this care and. That just. Struck me as very sad because healthcare workers of our compassionate I made they have an ethical obligation to their patients and their clients, and they're going to do whatever they can to help them and. Many Times that means being taken advantage jobs by the corporatization healthcare. Maybe not enough protective equipment long working hours all of those things and they do it because they care about the patients that they're taking care off, and it's just such a striking contrast to me. You think the covid nineteen pandemic and all the attention that's being focused now on healthcare and the issues that you've referred to do believe this is an opportunity to change the way money is affecting the sector. Or? In some of these dynamics, if people really haven't been aware of and part of what we're trying to do is to. To work to write letters to the editor op EDS, and you know working on getting onto having virtual meetings to get education to people about what is going on behind some of these decisions and what the links are to the power at that, the money has inswinging What's decided about a foreword by the government? Yes. I. Agree. Marie. I think it's just really laid these inequities wide open. One of the things that I fear is that it's going to take a people's attention away from understanding how this money and politics is affected, how five, Oh, one C. threes versus. One sees four organizations can funnel money again darkly. I think these organizations are gonNA take advantage of at some of murder and take advantage to do even more lobbying and. And everybody's exhausted including our legislators I. So we're going to have to have some new strategy to be able to keep our interest in this in the forefront and helping people get the energy to keep up the. So that is something that we're going to have to work on. And I think many groups are in the same boat. I was going to. End. The conversation today by asking what's next and where do you see the? Things going. Re You mentioned writing letters to the editor op EDS Expanding, education robby, you've mentioned in a working on a on a broader strategy, would other aspects do you see and what are the prospects for overturning citizens united and getting a constitutional amendment? Are you expanding your network with colleagues in the healthcare industry to join in this process? What are some of the your thoughts about the next steps? We are in the initial steps of getting our statement of principle onto the American promise website and. Giving healthcare professionals the opportunity to join us, there were sort of having a slow output with that because of horse right now, healthcare professionals, ours are very busy, and so they're unlikely to be sorta perusing the Internet at this point. I would think. But we we do have a plan to. Our network that way, and I just wanted to add you know the goal of American promises. It's a long term goal. Our goal is that this constitutional amendment? Will be passed in. Twenty. Twenty six. So we don't get disheartened, we keep forging ahead starting new groups throughout the country continuing to meet with legislators and just sort of stepwise making our way toward that twenty twenty six goal to get an amendment to the constitution, an amendment to the constitution sounds. Like, a very aspirational goal, very hard to reach. But over our history, the women's movement took a long time to get an amendment to allow the vote for suffrage. There are other examples. Of Our twenty seven amendments that far have been passed to overturn a previous Supreme Court decision that did not turn out to be the best for the moment of our nation, and we believe that this needs to be the next one. You're right. Mike has taken many years to work on various amendments in the past, and we believe the difference with this particular amendment is that many? Many of those amendments started out with very little support across the American citizenry. But this one starts out with a super majority of the costume at the the citizenry and when local resolutions are introduced and even states where you think where there isn't much congressional support among their congressional delegation. The amendment passed with eighty and ninety percent support from the local citizenry. So that's very significant. There's a lot of support there and we believe with. This type of situation, many times with a challenge of the pandemic and the challenge unfortunately to our economy. As a result of the pandemic. We believe that this will only move the opinions forward and move congressional pressure forward from the Citizen Way and selling said our long term game plan to American promises over the course of the next. Five to six years. So basically, from starting in two thousand sixteen, it'd be tenure game plan. If it moves more quickly, we'd love that currently we have I believe two, hundred, twenty cosponsors and the House and forty seven cosponsors. In the Senate we would need two thirds. So we would need to ninety in the house and the number in the Senate is sixty seven. if I have that at math correct. So. You know we have a ways to go yet. We're just GONNA continue to work. We work with candidates and ask them to pledge to support the amendment work if they are elected into. Congress, and that's part of our work right now, and then our hope is to get how other healthcare providers on board to use their voices in their communities with their local. American. Promise groups because we unfortunately are seeing that. Front and center in Healthcare and the health of our nation. Breed. Ellen and Robbie any comments that you would like to add I. Think people listening in today probably ranged across the sectors of American public the healthcare workers are probably. As, you said very busy dealing with the crisis, the pandemic. Ordinary, citizens, are I believe are anxious to learn more about your stories and what they can do, and the example of American promises is very important to share, and so I really appreciate your taking the time. This morning to talk with us and would like to give each the opportunity. If there's any message that you would give to ordinary citizens in your communities about joining American promise or contributing in some way to helping to address some of these issues that you've highlighted, that are affecting the quality and impact of healthcare on on citizens across the nation. Well, this is Ravi and I disliked. Say Thank you again. Michael for allowing us to present and I'd like to. To encourage especially nurses to just familiarize themselves with these kind of problems of money and how it affects health care. Come back to our American promise website will at some point, have some very helpful education and and maybe just even drilling it down to having talking points that they can have based on fact, and that they can be able to share with other people easily. So I would encourage people to do that, and if they really believed that what they're doing as a healthcare provider is important, they'll know that this part of being a healthcare provider is important to great. Thank you, Rub. Yeah. Thank you Michael for letting US speak today about American promise and our healthcare. Initiative. And you know what you're doing is, one of the things we like to see is to spread the word about America promise. We have groups in many states where always eager to have new members and people could go to American promised dot net and see what we're all about. And I would like to just get in a final word about health care and. been speaking mostly about healthcare workers, but I'd like to just highlight a little bit. The public health. Problems that come with corporate money, the decisions again as I started out this. Yes. Around the health of our lakes, the health of our air, how Harvey and our current economic situation affects the health of people, and so let's remember to include the public health aspects of this problem is well, thank you very important. Thanks for that point. Marie, any final comments? I. WanNa reckoned everything that out Robbie Robby mentioned already as Allan. Mentioned, American promise. Dot Net is our website. You can sign up to receive a very good weekly newsletter. There are opportunities to join us a member if you'd like, and we will have information about finding onto our healthcare providers statement of principle, because even to stay x number of healthcare providers have signed on. That's something powerful to take who are congressional representatives when we do lobby with them and something that you can do as a citizen, no matter whether it helped her provider or not is to do the things I mentioned and to call your. Your Congressional Representative and say I'm worried about the effect of money and politics on all of these, whichever issue you in particular are affected by or have a concern for and tell them that you would like them to support a constitutional a resolution per constitutional amendment. Even if you don't know the number of the bell or whatever, it doesn't matter, just tell them, you wanna see money out of politics. You WanNa, see them representing the wishes of their constituents, not the wishes of campaign donors will thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Ellen. Thank you. Robby. Your story is amazing. Really want to congratulate you as co-conspirators. Citizen lobbyists here, doing a great job and. It's amazing A. With. That twenty twenty, six goal of getting a constitutional amendment. What you've accomplished today and momentum that has been generated is really impressive and. I want to congratulate you for all you do and Godspeed thanks for joining us to thank you, Mike. On their. Own?

Ellen Marie Marie Ellen Ellen Rian Robbie Congress representative New Jersey Michael Deal Robbie Robby Mike Jerry Robbie Duda Michigan host and producer Lake Erie Ohio.
Ep. 281 - Vibrating Higher with Lalah Delia

Almost 30 Podcast

1:35:54 hr | 9 months ago

Ep. 281 - Vibrating Higher with Lalah Delia

"So if we were to look at ourselves like if you put your hand under a microscope and you really go all the way down in there you're just GonNa you're not gonNA look solid anymore. You're like the further. You get the more space. There's going to be between your cells and when you get all the way down there. They're going to be vibrating. So we are literally vibrational operational beings. We're vibrating beans. But the way we're looking at each other it looks like we're solid so on a cellular level on an atomic level. We are energy vibrating eating. And when we're vibrating vibrating at a certain frequency you're listening to the almost thirty podcast hosted by Christopher Williams and Lindsay Simsek almost thirty started as a conversation about the transition from our twenties. He's tour thirties. But then we realized life is full of transitions so be expanded our mission we are an intuition led wellness focused lifestyle. podcast cast that promises to deliver authentic conversations diverse points of view and insights rooted and optimism growth and intention. The almost thirty nation community eighty is a group of purposeful dreamers who are smart passionate and always seeking the full potential in every aspect of their lives at almost thirty. were making gene magic together. Dream it and then we do it. Thanks so much for tuning into the almost thirty podcast. Here we go. Hello and welcome to almost thirty podcasts. What's up friends it's Lindsey he and Krista? Greetings are so good and I'm wearing my gene jumper we were just saying You know anytime you receive a onesie you just wear it till it die. Where where till dice work till actually all my thing is where tilt smells purdy much it? I I'm never convinced that people you can smell me. I now if I meant something old. And then Joscelyn's royal blue number one sniffer. He's like key. you smell rusty. You think you smell rustic. That's what he says you smell rustic rustic which is exactly what you want your fiance to say. Does he ever still no. We really never never does well. He's got like he's a tourist so he's very sensory senses oriented. My Dad's the same way very much like sight smell like consensus around him. And I'm just kind of doing thing doing my thing. You know what I was thinking. I've been thinking a lot about this lately that I wanted to talk about was like an guys. Welcome to to the PODCAST. I'm Krista this is Lindsay. If your new. We're so glad you're here. We talk about health wellness spirituality all the things and we try and keep it really real real may have a thriving community online that you you can join almost thirty nation both thinking about his with. I've a lot of anxiety around like my friends. I feel like I never doing enough for them. Like we have ten and friends. That are doing something right. Now that I'm like not feeling like I'm supporting in the way that I should be and what I realized it was. What really sucks about friendships? Now is it still still brings me back to my phone where I don't want to be on my phone. I'm like I have ten friends right now that I wanNA connect with and communicate with and support and just I you know. Send my love but that means that I need to spend so much more time on my phone and it kills me. It's like I need to go on instagram. And do my thing. I need to leave them. Invoice notes. I need to do all these things on my phone. And it just is like the worst feeling and that's with phones to it just leaves. Everything open ended. Where you could be doing more? I think I relate to like friends are always could be doing more and the phone kind of enabled that in my life because you could always like be talking to them more be in communication with people more and it's just such an interesting thing that I hate but I think the fact that it's so easy to do it through technology and through your phone phone sometimes like it Kinda takes away the the lasting feeling of say okay this extreme example but I do have a friend that does this. They write letters. Oh I used to do that on a regular so it's like notes letters and like sitting down to write it kind of like makes an an impression on you and them. Oh Yeah because you're like oh I like really care about this person. I spent time doing this and like I was reflective because on the phone ooh voicemail Ella Nice and I do it too but I do think like technology takes away the deepening of those gestures. It just keeps a for me. It keeps everyone at a certain level and length. I have like twenty best friends that you know. So that's the thing is is like when it before you leave college and you would drift away from people and you didn't really have the opportunity to keep people in touch. Which is the best that we can but it also is just like okay? It never ends. Never Oh my God. Last night we went to I was wondering what you were doing so at seven. I'm like isn't it. We left at. APM Him. I'm so impressed so breath so we went to Saint John this eight John Concert Sanjay Jen. You guys should listen to collection one. It was one of my favorite albums last year. And actually one of my most played on spotify and we went to the concert. Me and our friends are couple friends. Ryan and Thomas and we get to the front of the line and and they scanner tickets and we got we got soldiery fake tickets so right before we walked in there like g WanNa do some mushrooms so I was like yeah sure liquids to whatever so we did it and then we find out that our tickets are fake so we're standing in the front online we're like Oh my God and they said that about outs sixty P. O.. Got Sold fake ticket. This person was just selling tons of fake tickets made so much money. So we're honestly they were like these tickets are fake. I was like okay honestly. That was my reaction I was like okay. Didn't care at all because it's so weird like I love music but now it's I am so old I was like going into the show and I'm like I don't know if I want to be in this energy. Yeah I know I sound so corny I know I do I know I do. I know idea but it's like dark sweaty hot loud music assaulting energies. Everyone's wasted everyone's fucked up and the music that I like produces shows shows that are kind of like aggressive so I was just like dude. I'm kind of glad to your. How should I gotta go manifest it? I did it manifest but we went to the proper I I was shocked. I honestly on Justin was like dude. You should've seen yourself. They're like hey the bathrooms that way and I'm like Oh Mike I was dying. I was I was like. Oh my God the bathroom dying. Everything was like insane and it was so fun like visual. It was vicious Gig as much as okay let it be but it was mostly giggling only but then I got home and Shit really happy. Oh fuck where I was sitting there and I had this realization that every single thing that I'm seeing is produced by my brain in. What what you're seeing and what you're experiencing is I know this is so weird encrytpion? Everyone knows especially still on mushroom. I'm still on mushrooms and I'm still having mushroom. Thought is that you are producing every single thing that you're seeing and experiencing from your brain and your eyes. It's already alright here and mine is completely different and I was like it just was really like Oh this is all kind of made up by this my brain and my is you know or yeah. It's all made up right there and no one is having the same experience I am because they're not making it up in the same way that my brain is making projected reality projected reality and I was like Oh everything feels very flat. I was this world and earth feels very flat although everything's Three D.. Like if I walked up to you I could just push you and you could be paper as much as you could the three day and it was like four D. and then it was like kind of dark it was kind of weird and I didn't really love it but the beginning was like though that's usually that's been my experience and I haven't done about many times but it's like the beginning is great the Mossy Fun Bright and then it's like oh I close my i. I know unlike a dead baby spaces. Yeah liquor violent images. I'm like what is that. Is that like a fucking cave in my brains. That's like seeping same. But then I also benner times when I'm like Okay Lens. You just need to chill and watch like the backs of my eyelids are projection screen. Yes and it's to me. That's explaining what makes up life like what makes up every living thing. Is that like perfect. Perfect geometry that color that sound that vibrant see like every everything has that. And it's like really cool to see it When your eye mushrooms everybody come to the next almost thirty of them? And we'll give you a time honest. I don't usually do that but but I was just like whatever. Let's just have sit here men too. I mean like whatever you know it was fun as it was. We were absurd. It was really fun to to talk about. Everyone was asking me about my family and I don't really share about my family publicly unless prompted but people kept asking and it was really felt really refreshing. Because that's nice to make fun of my family for Dr. Oh just kidding peace and love alright. A few announcements we we are relaunching. Your podcast pro. January Twenty Twenty S. Stay tuned for that. If any of you out there want to start grow monetize or if you have a podcast and WanNa grow and monetize your podcast. We're here for. You may have three courses that are dense and full of everything you need. Yeah they're going to be huge. They're insane and I'm so proud of the site. The Graphics Look Beautiful Club did a great job everything looks so professional and I feel so proud of it. Them really excited. And then we're also doing some skill share courses you know just to adding some smaller courses that people can tap into whenever that are very cheap and affordable people for people to just get a taste of what we would get on. podcast Bro. Yes and stay tuned also we will be hosting a retreat in twenty twenty we. We hosted our first retreat last year. In Malibu and we will be hosting another in the New Year so stay tuned for that announcement or really really excited. It was such a special. Oh experience for Kristen and I to be there with twenty four other women. We laughed a lot. We healed a lot and just got to connect deeply with one in another. And we broaden special guests and really amazing experiences. Yeah it was insane so much stuff who flay brought an extra suitcase. Everybody from the Pod came and we had so much goodies and so much healthy food and Yeah our girls are now still connected enacted in India of a separate facebook group for the retreat. Ladies they're still friends they still talk on the phone all the time so this is going to be an amazing experience happening and may twenty twenty with more more details to come in January. Truly all right so on the podcast today or really excited to welcome La La Delia. And she is an incredible Writer she is an author spiritual creative wellness educator and to such a powerful presence. I had never met law before for an yeah I was just she. She's not only beautiful and striking in that way but like her spirit is really beautiful. Yeah vibrate higher daily baby. She said a blog for quite some time and she's one of my favorite people to follow on twitter all you twitter people Definitely check her out. Torque her twitter handle is just her name and she posts these beautiful profound owned thoughts in quotes. And it's really made up impact on my life just reading them and disconnecting from any thought patterns that I have in reconnecting with the truth that she shares and we talk a lot about how vibration plays contributing or contributes to just how we connect with others how are how we perceive the world and so it was really interesting to talk about those experiences that she's had in particular that's really influenced what she teaches and writes rates about now we talk about manifestation me talk about being in less doing doing doing and how that contributes to your vibration and just how we how we show up in the world and she grew up. You know the way she didn't she grew up. It wasn't necessarily a good foundation for her to be the as high as she is. So I really wanted to know about the journey to becoming so thoughtful and so high vibrational because it is a practice. It is something that you need the figure out and you need to learn and you need to continue to do. And she's really made her life work to help. People become more spiritually creative more spiritually in tune. And she's a joy and a pleasure and I really enjoyed like the flow and energy of this conversation. Of course it's going to be good with someone like her but it's just a great great experience for for us to really tap into empowerment transformation And how we can really learn to raise our VIBE and her new book is out now. It's called vibrate great hire daily. Live your power so you can get that anywhere. Books are sold we highly recommend and you can go to vibrate higher daily L. E. E. Dot com to read her blog and just happened to all of her resources. So thanks for listening as always we love you. Thank you for writing reviews on Apple podcasts. At means means a lot to us and we read all of them and just sharing with your friends. is how we grow so thanks and events. 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Or how much do we focus on to not feel overwhelmed to lead us to inaction I and that's what I think about that that quite often. Yeah Yeah it's like. Where do you want to direct your emotional energy because we only have we have so much day to give out and and if we send it all over the place we have nothing less ourselves nothing left for our children for our work so we do? It's almost at the point where we have to say say. Where am I going to send my concern? Send my energy their direct my energy there so it could be like we were talking about you know the furniture and the in California here the prop crop sixty five whether it's going to be on shopping for furniture that could cause cancer and I'm trying to get away from that but then you go to the grocery store certain certain aisles calls like we were talking about plant based ships of all things now supposedly can cause cancer. It's the chemicals the plants and the the actual factories threes where they're run from the chemicals that are used some of the oils. Yeah initials thoroughly enter They're just various brands. So basically it was just like a not a general notice for all plant based chips now ran it. They don't stay each one when you go to furniture and certain toys and things like that you can look at the specifications online and it will give you the information and if it's not listed there then you can call in. They have to disclose this information formation to you. Oh they have to because there was a lawsuit a two in which really got these websites going and they're slowly getting getting there was there. Roy is a big lawsuit on urban outfitters for a pair of glasses that was had a woman cause cancer world supposedly caused cancer and she sued and she won so now these websites arlene in taking it very serious so with would advocate. Yeah able to like be like. Oh Yo it's these glasses if the glasses and then prove it. She proved it. She in. It's here in California. You definitely have to look this up because has a G. It's like an insult it is. It's a lot of the materials. Plastics are made out of When you look at like classic clear handbags lot of those are red flags I literally just bought one? Oh Yeah Yeah so sitting on. My table doesn't exiled because you can probably go through your house and and a lot of stuff that we just have. No clue would be flagged under the prop sixty five but like I was saying the CY show on Youtube that channel. Anyone wants to geek out on science great Youtube Channel but this I shall does have a great episode about the prop sixty five and what. They're not telling us why it may be something that you know is is getting blown out of proportion so because I what they're saying is that they put Bacon on the same list as cigarettes and their dislike. Okay Cigarettes Bacon in cigarettes can give cancer now coming from a wellness background. I understand the you know the cholesterol from that recital health and cause different things in the body and then vibration lay speaking. I understand how things can be justice detrimental to you if you put them in you. If they're around you so ask as a cancer as cancer and maybe get energetic cancer. So I've definitely been leaning in and studying and seeing what this about but I also know that there's no way that I can avoid it all and so I live within reason and like I was saying I had recently ordered some things online and I did all the research sure and soon as I get this big package in its flax and I'm like go figure like a one is this so sometimes you mean well and you do your best but you just can't avoid everything. So where do we send our concern. Where do we care? And how much can I invest. Some people don't have enough money to purchase ECO friendly materials and products and furniture because now they are higher now because they aren't as demand as something like your fast furniture companies and all this all these fast products that are making mass production. So you really have to care and I just say you know if you can start wherever is meaningful for you like if you know you have asthma or respiratory issues. Then you WanNa make sure you have a filter in your home just so it can help filter out a lot of the chemicals. That could be there right now. Now that you have no idea and then as you shop there's websites like some of the websites online like Amazon Amazon. If you live in California and I don't like that they wait until you're checking out and choosing your delivery option to tell you they should tell you like a right on the actual product page but they will tell you it. It'll say prop sixty five if it is bare. So before you click through your your shipping option superfast check it out. 'cause there's been times like my son. I was going to order him a slingshot and I saw there. I did see it anywhere else on us. I darn we have to go back to this process again. Cool Mom Oh yeah slingshot. Don't Yeah Yeah We. We need to get him. What is he sling rocks? uh-huh yeah we. Yeah we go I love it. You know it's Satisfying for him. Yeah Yeah and I'm like David and Goliath this you you bring down those giant your energy go for it. Time as you're learning more about something like you know products prop sixty five or anything in life and I'm just kind of speaking for people out there. I'm for myself like the more I know. Sometimes the more stressed out I get you know so so like what is the tipping boy and you mentioned like where you just decide what you're going to care about but I'm also wondering like how how that worry worry and that focus on maybe something that we can't control can have effect are vibration and and how we energetically and maybe physically glee metabolize things so like did you have to Kinda grab without a at some point. I definitely did when and a lot of times. What happens but when you have kids? It's just scared it more so it is for him more so because I know his brain is still developing. His respiratory system has organs are still functioning at a way that they're trying to figure out you know what this is. And what am I taking and for me. I'm more mature in the game. Like he's ten and you know his body is newer and it's so pure that h dill and part of that is protecting nat pure pureness in your child. And you don't want your child tainted with all these chemicals chemicals that like I forgot bid like from me all these years I've had grown up and And and if it's any consolation it growing up in the ninety S and eighty S. I say it was worse. I so it's it's supposedly arguing better. We're just more aware of it now. And it's it's being put out there now to where we're it's more visible like a lot of things have have been way worse but the awareness intention of it now. It's alarming to us because it's bringing it. We have to see it. We have to start having a conversation and start. You know considering these things that maybe we didn't before so whether it's social justice issues whether it's inequality whether it's chemicals also in the furniture that you buy or the products that you bring your home like where can you put your concern now. I do believe that there's a way we can send love to it all and have awareness of it all but believe that wherever you can start is okay. You don't have to cover all the grounds like you know if you look at it like we're a big Italian Italian you know this big military force so to speak and but we all have our mission we all have our our jobs to do on the battlefield. You know everyone doesn't have the same job in military but the military is so effective and they have protocols so just think that I'm doing this and I know someone else doing the research. I respect. Honor what they're doing and and when I can get over there if that's for me I'll get there as well but I'm GonNa Start Right here where I can and again. It's it's like you know if another thing you you can do to help is to bring in plants in your home. A lot of plants and in order for the plants to effectively built your home up a lot of them so bringing as many plans. Lance's you can't if that's how you can start if you can't get rid of all your furniture And and granted older furniture is better so if you do like thrift stores and secondhand furniture a a lot of chemicals have bought by that time have war worn away so the a little more safer then new furniture even new construction in homes. It's it's the most toxic Dow when you movin. Yeah so you want to make sure that you're just aware of what's there so if you have to be in these environments you know how to feel to them well with filter with plants and then with view does drinking lots of water water to flush out the toxins in the body. You get you. A heavy metal leader lymphatic massage is just do the do things then to now combat the body because the body is taking everything on so there's so many ways that we can combat a lot of what's going on and then if you have the means to. They have a toxic free home home completely whether it's chemicals and house cleaning products whatever it is go for it but you know explore where you can but don't be overwhelmed because then that's an energy that's just Hawk than I can turn into illness in the body as well start where you can and journey and grace with it like I say with everything else. Yeah because we get hit with a lot of that information all the time on the podcast interviews are just in conversations being in the LA scene. And just try and think about the next decision that I make like how it will affect the next decision that I make whether it's clean home products. We had a conversation with our friends from branch basics and in their talking a lot about you know ooh chemicals and things in your home that could be lead you to be sick and so for me. It's just like okay next time. I'm going to get eastern products. I'm going to remove these instead of being overwhelmed on with like me living thirty years of my life having these in my face you know but it is overwhelming at times but I think it can be more helpful if we just allow went to be if we allow it to be that way. It's an IT's awareness. It's awareness of. I can live with us. Yeah like I'm not. It's not causing me any issues and and that's the thing a lot of the prop sixty five is saying that this could cause cancer not that it will so we have to look at the statistics. Like what percentage of person your age and with your genetic structure and you know with your genome and with your DNA like what is the chance in that with you getting cancer. So it's not saying everyone is absolute at absolutely going to get cancer so it's almost like surfing you know I'm going to serve pass this and do the best. I can and not let it overwhelm me and you know and it's things in the home as well. It's it's everywhere like for one is hypoallergenic. Combs that's a lot that you you see a Lotta people concerned with that and so that's a thing of like they're not chemicals chemicals but these are parasites like dust mites and things like that that live in your home on your make like rugs in cotton clothing clean-cut and betting that can cause just as much harm to the respiratory system. So if you're sneezing all the time in your home or having allergy problems it could be very well that you would do better with with linen. Because Dust Mites are linen repels dust mites dust period. So you could have could breathe better so it's like where do you wanNA focus. Where do you WanNa go and for me? I just continually had to keep educating myself on ways to live with whatever I had at the time and then grow because there is a time when I knew about some of these things and I was like what like when I was very first getting into my healing journey. A lot of my teachers were just talking about the chemicals in foods. What started already there and I talked about in my book working with Dr Welby and a lot of that list the food and you know I was like Oh my goodness like this food is killing everyone and this is why I feel crazy all the time and I don't have power so it's it's where do you WanNa start in if you can just start with eating eating healthier or if you can just start with not littering outside like all of it helps? All of it helped like we need someone to do something. So if we're all starting where we are it's all going and get time you know but we have to know that we can't we can't do it all it's just it's it's too big and we weren't meant to carry it all. Yeah we weren't went that's why we're in ecosystem ecosystem because we all have different roles to play but that taking that in my life to just go back a little bit and give context for our audience who art as familiar with your work and you know we've we've kind of touched a little bit on the vibration and why that is important and how it affects us physically mentally and emotionally personally but I would love to just carry your story and kind of what brought you to founding vibrate higher daily and and all the things that you do in this world and your book coming out so I know that's been like a big labor of love related to your story as well so take the floor yes so. I am a wellness educator later a spiritual writer the founder of a website call vibrate higher daily favorite twitter account. Your Shit Twenty four seven. Thank you ooh yes. Thank you so much for that. I absolutely love twitter community and twitter. Yeah I do you have your the twitter trash I love it. Oh No it's so necessary. I WanNa see what you're thinking now what you look like yeah. Twitter is complete yet. A lot of people are maybe intimidated by just a whole new world because they are completely different from other like you. Don't you don't speak or share the same like you do. You can share the same message but your your conversation is it just looks different on twitter and if you try to do the same thing like the cookie cutter it just doesn't work like it doesn't resonate like you have to know twitter protocol protocol. You gotta saying Yeah Yeah So. I love twitter absolutely. Twitter is so fun and I'm on Instagram. But I'm also now the author of of vibrate higher daily. The book and I spent the last year writing this book pouring into it all of my experience. The wisdom I've gained throughout that. Ah The just the Kohl's I cracked and that was just what I wanted to put in this book. I know I knew that. In order for my life to change the way it did did. I cracked the code and it was something that I was so in this box on my life and the box causing suffering in multiple ways. But until I was able to get out of the box and not allow things to come in you know and further causing suffering until I was just get rid of the whole thing like throw the whole thing away. That's literally what vibrating bring higher. Take my power back. Look at that time and then as I continue my journey started to look different like how I vibrate higher in relationships and with my family really as a parent with how a with the work I do in a world is just encompassed. Everything which is why I was so grateful that my publisher Harper one gave me the creative free rein to do this book in a way that was holistic. Because it's it's all round and for me. That's true wellness and spirituality. When wholeness wholeness is the point in the goal not just like my you know? This is my spirituality on Saturday or Sunday whether you practice sabbath or you're in church somewhere or in a mosque ask but it's all day with how I smile at people. How a drop in traffic? What I eat you know what I spend my energy on my emotional what it where? I'm carrying like that type of thing so it's important to know that wherever we are each day we can vibrate higher and that we have great bears this force of grace. It's is little thing just like gravity there's force in this and I always talk about grace because it's what keeps us going thing. There's so many things that each of us can look back on and say while like about ad in deserve that you know. I did this if anyone could look at my background a new bike bots mind mind the pass or am I the things I used to do my experiences. I will look so unqualified now or whatever it is or I would look embarrassed now. Whatever it is but grace as comes in and does not care about any of that calls you still it loves you? Still it gives you second third fourth a million chances still and that's the that's the beautiful thing about having a higher power for me and knowing that there's this ultimate force that's greater than any mistake make any past that I don't understand why had to go through it but it still has a purpose for my life for our lives and it will use us if we just render an allow entrust the process moving through that pain gene and then like a phoenix rise describes and that's why vibrate higher daily living your power so important because not only do you live in power but it allows you to now live from a place of power. And what was your patterning prior to your healing journey like what was your what was your sort of what were the stories that you told yourself that kept you out of Your Power Oh my goodness whoa there are so many the mindset for me was of a victim victim like I felt like I was a victim and granite. I was victimized but I didn't realize the difference between being victimized and identifying identified as a victim sat far. Tell me more. Oh Yeah so something can happen to us but we are not that. It's just an experience where passing passing through on the journey of life. That's not our final destination and I talk about this in the book because that was a main thing. So there's there's this in a there's a chapter in the book I talk about the Metaphor too cold terrains of life there storms. There's there ocean. There's even metaphorical weather. There's there's fog you know there's all these different print to rings that we go through and we can get stuck there the desert if we don't know what why it showed up in our lives. It always shows up in our lives just like every season everything around the flower. Our the plants the animals. They know that these things come but they come to pass no and then a new a change of guard comes and then there's outlet. There's a reprieve from that for us and we. We don't have to stay there but sometimes with humans. We get so distracted by a lot of programming that comes in to keep us out of more power that we think okay. I have no power to get out of this this Ed and we see a lot of messaging on TV the victims and damsels in distress. And no we do not have to be DAB downs in distress. We are the heroes our lives we can take our power back. We can remember who we are like. I have a quote that says she remembered who she was and the game changed. So when you remember who you are on a shirt I will wear it. Yeah you know this is that has to happen in needs to honey then. Yeah Yeah So. It's just a matter of for me. It was a matter of getting out of that mindset and it was it was the help of I got help wherever Brecca like. That's one thing I did open. I surrender to help our in churches hours in the mosque. Like I and I grew up with very like my father was a practicing Buddhist. My mother was a Christian Christian and then even I explored into the nation of Islam so I had a lot of just different teachings growing up but my strongest is influenced were. It was my father and my grandmother. My mother bear their faith and their prayers. I have a quote in the book. That says your grandmother's prayers are still protecting you. And she prayed with me and she used to read to me I end. When she couldn't read I would read to her? And then my other grandmother Layla. I'm named after both migrant mother grandmother Leyla she only had a third grade education. She couldn't reach us to she was the she was that mother mother who was when you look at all the black and white movies like with the maid working catching walking catching the bus and had to go home at night and care for her family. That was her so but as a a young girl she she couldn't read she had to go pick cotton at the age of five And leave school at third grade and so she didn't have education but what she did gain was the spiritual education that was so empowered that made her such a grounding force. In everyone's live in our family and our neighborhood in the church urge she was a church mother which means she held it down. You know she. She was that motherly she comes in. And you just walked in like sit up straight straight sit up straight you know big align your shock. But she would do that. She could just touch you and hug you. Just bring you a meal and that was just the healing right right there. That was it you know and so you know. Sometimes I when I'm in interviews. I remind people that sometimes. It's not always the yoga classes. 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I am able to do that only only because the women who showed up for me in the men who showed up for me and I talked about this in the book and I was so grateful just share and to end to further along the spirits parrots of these elders in my life who are not here physically in some still are but a my family who really really are giants in the world of meaningful for presents and heroes when it comes to spirituality and holding space but yeah all of that was able to help me get out of that and then the writing in the book. Look I was just so reminding like wow I really got out of that you know so when you can come to a safe place to live Home safe now. I'm safe and I think that getting into that safe place for all of us. 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And actually I don't know if it's about slowing down but being a a presence deep presence like that or being in the presence of if someone like that will actually make you learn about yourself and I don't know if people are people say they're down for that and I'm just not sure sometimes like like I haven't been down you know where I'm just like seems like a lot of work. Do you know what I mean to lake to have a meaningful release simple but meaningful conversation with someone is is probably GonNa make me think about. Maybe how I'm living my life for the good or or not so good and so like how would you speak to that. Like fear of really being with yourself and getting to know yourself on that level because I think it's essential and being able to vibrate higher and evolving in the way that we say we want issue but I do think it's scary for people. Yeah it can be scary and it's it's walk into the unknown. You know a lot of times. We don't know why we are likely are and and we haven't sat with that and really had that conversation and journeyed into that place within so mindfulness is a way that we can truly truly because you even when you say you're comfortable but you're you're mindful of it so that's that's like the key that's that's the key to interest so that's important so that's good so it's entering in a place of mindfulness and saying noticing what you feel. I don't feel comfortable with this. But then moving through it because you are not that energy you're just the observer observe of itself like if we don't attach like you don't have these attachments to like I have to identifying this because when we identify with something we have to like. Play the whole thing out you know like okay. We'll do this tomorrow then again the next day and then that starts on this loop. Sometimes we don't know how to get ourselves out of and so also. Oh in the book I talk about breaking those patterns those loops and what to do with that but having that mindfulness that this here I'm experiencing this this is how it makes me feel but I would like to fill another way. That's right there that opens the door. Just that surrender of like this is how I am like I show up in not not saying that you are but if a person is mindful and conversation like I'm very not present with people. That's that's what showing up right now and affirmations are a great way to say I am present. I am home wherever I am and take not. Han has a beautiful beautiful affirmation. That just says I have arrived. I am home and I repeat that to myself many times throughout the week wherever I find myself whether it's rushing and traffic whether it's having a conversation conversation with someone when I know that I have to be somewhere in thirty minutes or an hour on the phone or texting. I have arrived. I am home so wherever you find yourself. That's home home. That's where your energy out of all the places you could be. That's where it's calling your attention to at that moment and so that's important and then just a journey and grace with what you don't know it's okay again that forces there to always still love you you though you're still on purpose you're still amazing and then is just revealing to you Mary into you. Some things things that depending to and a new post this week ahead of my blog was inner gardening and I share the work of Howard Thurman who who is a US such as spiritual genius to me and he was the spiritual teacher he was a spiritual anchor of Martin Luther King and the whole civil rights movement so so when we look at Martha Martin Luther King. We're like okay. He pretty much is the man. But this is the man who was the man to him. So Howard Thurman he even Gandhi like he you know he would consult with Gandhi but Howard Thurman had a way of he wouldn't call himself a theologian which by all means. That's what everyone will want to call him but but he even though he and he went he studied but he called himself a mystic. Because he didn't want to be tied into any box because he knew it was bigger his message message and his offering to the world and so he challenged us with these really beautiful meditative questions to grow where refined ourselves to keep going and and a good one that he has is at the end of all my struggling. My curiosity my concern. What is it that I'm looking for in? What is it that that will come out of this? What am I looking to come out of all of this and I'm like Whoa? That is it right there like after all this after the pain after the struggling after the joy. What is it that I I'm working towards? Or what is it that I look I looking towards birthing after this and coming out of through my fulfilment and being that the fulfilment it is ongoing. But what is it that I can gain after this So that's that's a good way to look at any situation we find ourselves is how can I learn this moment. No matter how can I help to fill myself on. Were just a little more and grow intend to that inward garden and his book in particular is it's called He has a book of Meditations. But also this one is called the inward journey That was like even with our coach. Were working with the coach. Aaron rose and He's been really helpful in in the imagining of the solution or like the best possible scenario of something so it's almost like getting us out of the victim mentality of the situation or like when we express something about a situation I haven't actually thought about what the best case scenario could potentially be e and you know a lot of times. I'm able to get to that through a long period of time. Orphan presents itself to me. I'm like Oh that worked out really well and I'll be forward. I'll be thinking in the the past about it but it's been really beautiful for him to be like okay. What would like the best case scenario? This look like you know what if every single person was on the same page and what if like everyone one showed up in their best possible in the best possible way that they can. What would that look and feel like? And it's things that I would never normally think about because I'm so caught up in the nitty gritty of whatever's going down and just working through that that sort of challenge and that sort of reminds me of what you're talking about where it's like just having the awareness of working through and then getting to a place where you are thinking like best case scenario and how that would look and feel. Oh yeah that's important that's the way it feels and he teaches on not about filling imagining into your next reality. So you're not just sitting in victim. Oh but you're also imagining now. What it feels like to be the overcome and the hero of your life and this is a lot of work? I mean all throughout the board almost every book that you pick up you know nowadays is going to have that in their. Yeah but he was teaching this way back then and then even when you go back to ancient times like this is not anything new but today we feel like is just hours and just our generation but this is wisdom timeless it stands. The test is just absolute law for the universe that we live in. This is how things work. And if you can bring something into that mind's eye so imagine it and then on top of imagination which a great book for this is by what's called the power of your subconscious mind by Joseph Murphy and he teaches teaches. That it's imagining and billing into it you have to earl. Nightingale is another one so you have to not just think it say it but fill it so get get in a place. Where you're closing your eyes you're visualizing and who are you thinking when this thing happens and you know what do you have on and where are you? How does the air feel? And what's the weather that that day in. Where do you saying you know? What's the look on your face like really going all the way there and really using the projector in the mind? That's there for what it's for like we we we are. The first projectors were the first computers were the first cameras we have all of this within our head so just like now you can picture people from your high school your elementary through school days. You can picture your old room as a child. Will that stored memory you know and if we could start changing what. We're filling those files with of US overcoming of us being strong because we're now replacing we're replacing old files with new files. Were updating our our system and so that imagining filling into that is so powerful ran into that you know so I think about that quite often and and what do you think that place is in the healing process so so you know for someone that is dealing with trauma or you know with social justice like what should we think about as far as the recognition of truth in what we're feeling and trauma trauma that we're going through but then also wanting to be at a place where we are vibrating higher to receive those higher things like. How do you think about those? Two things are working. And how have you seen those player on your life. Life knowing that we do have space to do both like we were talking about beginning. We do have space suitable. We have we have space to be aware. And then we have space to direct where we're going to send our energy to so it's not always that we're going to get involved in every organization. Ns out there is not that we're GONNA be at every protest. It's not that we're going to donate to every 'cause it's not that we're gonNA post about everything that happens but quietly because at the end of the day if social media still went away how would you promotion. How would you support these these all these things going on in the world so it's not always about what everyone else sees we so we have to be really careful that as well when we don't see people posting and maybe saying like? Why aren't you posted about this? Because we never know what they're doing behind closed doors you know and I know so many people that give to causes. Who Don't even have a social media page so it's really important or people who are you know are giving and bear? They are always posting about it. So it's just we have to be careful with judgment there and with others and then with ourselves and just knowing that I'm giving from a place of authenticity. It's not because I want to look like I'm you know involved or aware but it's because I truly am and this is where I feel called in lead in the movement to be you you know Martin Luther King Wasn't even though at the time like he was very concerned with the Vietnam War but he was not spending his time. There he was on. And you know in Birmingham and just you know in the south with the civil rights movement so so we have to really know where we can put all of our experience. You know your community. Where do you have support your resources? There are a lot of people who were giving his movement that weren't even in the civil rights movement but they could donate so it was. It's a lot of crossing and meditating on contemplating on where I wanNA spend my energy and time and him and take not Han wire mentioned early. They had a very good brotherhood that they formed and technique Hong was very instrumental and Martin Luther King Become a nonviolent and the com- Martin Luther King because there's some you know some letters and their some his letter from Birmingham jail like there's some letters I think it's a letter of nine hundred sixty four. That's a very militant Martin Luther King. I mean you know they and so a lot of people post like happy and the the peaceful Martin Luther King. That's the one we see but he but there are some where he's more so like Malcolm X.. He was arrested. Oh yeah him and Malcolm were very good brothers and friends and so you know so. There is just again Malcolm X. Malcolm X. wasn't known for the Civil Rights Movement but he was still for black black liberation and so he was working where he could. You know so when you go throughout time. It's just a matter of where I can put my energy and really put it there because if we're scattered all over the place too much we're not gonNA really have enough to show up there so really get you know get involved where you feel bad and where you feel you can put the most of your time and attention and it's okay. If you feel you know that this is too much for me. Because we do have to know our limit and our capacity and that's what we have to be gentle with ourselves especially in the what we live in. Because there's so much you can just walk out of your door and pick up the phone and see a headline and it just takes you a whole day to get over vibration. What you just saw more for someone sharing something so just be mindful as mindful as we are driving traffic? We have to be mindful when we're just moving through headlines and post and updates of you know what I'm going to invest in and I had a pocket before right just talked about people. I do believe that people are doing the best. They can dan where they are with the information they have and some people. Just don't know some people just don't know about all the headlines and so if you see someone that doesn't look like they're concerned they don't understand the importance of that and but there are other people who will and I think that when we can lead out of love and hold space and just you know whole space for each other and have meaningful meaningful conversations. Were able to win people over like that more than pointing and judging and truly if you're a person who is involved you're too busy you're too busy to point judgment because you're you're putting Sanjin. Yeah you're putting your energy in what you're you're doing the work you know whoever's GonNa help and show up that's what it is. Yeah consume how has becoming a mom like affected where you put your focus. And how an even like with birthing thing a child and and how that affects your vibration and maybe your understanding of your own expansiveness. Yeah it changed. Everything has changed changed everything so I have. I have a twenty year old daughter and then a ten year old son and so the twenty year old daughter who I speak about the twenty two year old daughter who I speak about in the book we I was a completely different. That was victimhood. Mama you know that was Mama doing the best she could but she was struggling. She was law. She was caught in in these loops in these cycles and patterns and she was living with that trauma. That was a coat that wherever I showed up I had that Conan. That was my security blanket but it was also also like a magnetic it was causing more of that to come to me and it's hook ears of growth but with her by my side we I say we grew because as I grew in hills you know I I became a different mother to her and now she's on the same path and you know she's started her youtube channel where she's helping people and she helps me with fiber higher daily and my son is ten and all he's known is small so when we there's like You don't know about me to ask the body so Erica Erica. Body has co so it's like something like don't let all this peace and love full you lake can get real real quick. It's something like holy like messing that up but it's it's so popular learn twitter so you've probably seen it but it's hilarious. Because I think all of us have that like we all have this other side to where it's like don't activate that you know triggers triggers like. Don't trigger that up. You know but for me it got throughout the years it got easier easier and easier just to lay her to rest and give thanks for her her sin her love and just know she did the best she could where she was. But when I tell my son or when we look at pictures and we're just like laughing and reminiscing. He's like mom no like he he. There was a point where he really didn't know that had ever been in a fight in school and that you know I used to just do it. You know just and he was like no. He thought it was like bluffing. Trying to get street cred and I was like no like feral like no it was real. I grew up in south central Los Angeles and just real hardcore environment and I are environment when I was a young girl was the war zone. And it's it's just where gang affiliation he was. Hi everybody was just on defense and it was all about survival to know in and so it's important that for me with this book I also want to speak to you know people who are living in those type environments right now because you know with with Abraham Maslov his. He has a great book that talks about you know when your basic needs are not met. There is no wellness journey. There is no healing. You know so that was my case. Yeah I I it was a was called Has Lots give needs not that one. It's toward psychology a bean or paths towards psychology. Something like that I. I'm totally somebody Out there you'll know look it up look it up. You'll find that book it's GonNa find you but I have it in. It changed my life. Because there's a there's a pyramid that he gives and basically a starch. You where you need to start like. Okay let's just get your basic needs that first and then we're gonNA work up and so that was so instrumental for me. Almost became just just like a food pyramid. And I believe in that and I like I say a lot of people that I never grew up knowing about these past once I was open to the teacher. They like they say When the student is ready the teacher appears so sometimes not your teachers are going to be books? People who are not living physically anymore but but their work is still going to speak to you. And so Abraham Maslov Joseph Murphy it was so many of these people roomy even like sacred poetry. You probably one of my favorites the Bible for one the Bible and when I learned about like I'm taking a side note here but when I first learned about the Bible that was originally all poetry like during that time before the Bible was canonized it was all about poetry and so they got collective it was a collective process of getting like this and that poet. This writer this biographer. It was just amazing of all these different writers and they put together that book. This is called the Council of Nausea. They you did this and they did it at a time. Because they needed to have a way to create one religion that could help control like the whole society and but they knew knew that they had an ad bits and parts that would speak to different people and so whatever whatever camp you're from whether you believe in God knew that that was going to happen and that well how supposed to or you know the Bible. There's more that I believe. In the Dead Sea Scrolls or the APOCRYPHA that has even more that you can dig into their the book of L. A. Law I mean the book of Knock Enoch absolutely and that book takes takes him curse to read that like my my mother we got we had a group and she. I had to leave the room. She was like Oh wait a minute like oh no. I wasn't ready and so she had to come. You know get ourselves together and come back another time and go at it again because it's real but there's beautiful books beautiful poetry but yes so all that to say is that Book v Nakas older and it's a precursor to the Bible almost right. Yeah and and it's it's mystical. Yeah it's really crazy. Yeah based on the NAS tick religion is very. He's basically absolute. which once you it's interesting with the Nostra tradit- like religion? The more I learn about it the more Mike. Okay that's what I'm yeah aligned to. Yeah it's out there but that's what I'm lying to. Yeah and I think that a a lot of where people are going now. They would be surprised to see that they are going more on that pass. I think that it's it's beautiful and it's more Inclusive at it tells the whole truth not just a little bit and as a spiritual being I can. I can pick up the Bible like I've read it back in front and like all throughout my childhood I was inquires an in so heavy in the church when I was younger I remember sometimes wanted to place it because I was like. Oh Gosh and we were in like black church culture where it's like you're there all day You go home and he come back evening like it was. It was literally you know but we you had to go. It was no playing. You know playing thick but so I I know it and when I was able to come back to that book with a different vibration within myself myself with healing and then knowing what I know now about energy migration and just trusting the words are going to meet me how they need to meet me personally early. That's when my spirituality changed when I can pick up the Bible it completely. It wasn't my grandma. Bucket wasn't my mother's book and I've had a lot of their books just steadying because they had a lot of things was highlighted. But it's not the preachers book. You know it. It's it's your book now and you go to where you want to go. You highlight what you want highlighted. You really live with these these passages and I think it's just like that not only with the Bible but without with any book because we almost have to become auto didactic to appoint now. It's a free ourselves a free our minds signs of how we were indoctrinated in school even not just in the church but also in school and I think that's not for us to throw spirituality out but maybe two reimagining what religion originally supposed to be an reimagined. Maybe giving getting out of the box of religion and just seeing that there's a spiritual path that is holistic more holistic than I thought that can include that is big enough for vibration in energy to have a conversation in there. And you don't really hear how how're you vibrating today. Or what is your energy energy like you know I. It's a lot of times. They were scared of that. And you know granted a lot of that was our ancestors in ancient societies. They had that knowledge that it was just common language but it was. It was programmed out of us in and I'm so honored to be in a society now where it's coming back to us. We're taking her power back yet Can we I guess just to pull it back. You know for people that don't understand. I just sounded patronizing and I said that I'm like but I meant People can really understand understand what we mean by the fact that we are vibrational beings. Yeah so talking about vibration from like a very one on one level. What does that mean to you? What does that mean to me? What does that mean to your interaction in your the movement in the world so look at ourselves like if you put your hand under a microscope and you really go all all the way down in there you're just GonNa you're not gonna look solid anymore like the further you get the more space? There's going to be between your cells and when you get all the way down there they're they're gonNA just be vibrating so we are literally vibrational. Beings were vibrating beans. But the way we're looking at each other it looks like we're solid so on on a cellular level on an atomic level we are energy vibrating and when revived writing. We're vibrating at a certain frequency and vibrations. You can kind of look at them. As waves saves wavelengths and wave link's always the depend on how the virus it always depends on the frequency. What type of force? What type of energy is there? What's happened frequency concierge? They're so whether you're listening to a radio and you're trying to tune in to the airwaves a little better at TV you. Sometimes you like back in the day used to have an antenna to do that So now now it just happens automatically. TV's clear their sharp their high. Def there hi there hi vibration to speak. And I can't believe I just said that about a television uh-huh tell there's a there's a quote I remember way back in a mean way back in the day it's built like tail ally. Tell lie vision while because I do believe that was a part of the main way that might have been programmed throughout society stations But it's it's known yes so but just to say that right right and you can take anything and try to take it to its highest potential. So it's but what is that you can take your paying the highest potential. You can take your you know a bad attitude to the highest potential where you're just like okay. This is super extra today or you can take love and peace and joy and you can take your mindset to a higher level so really it's just like what channel do i WanNa be today. The high frequency channel the low frequency channel high vibrational channel the low verb regional channel and also just with food understanding manning that whether it's food whether it's music whether it's friends whatever it is around you. You're having this symbiotic relationship with it. You all are playing off each other's energy and vibration and we can understand that everything around us affects us. That's why we can walk into space and no yes or no I'm supposed to be here or F- alleged living. Let me dip out or a piece of furniture this for me. It's not maybe if you're in a thrift store guess now so it's it's when we have certain filling when we know a certain thing where connecting except to it on a vibrational level and maybe we don't realize it maybe we do. But that's what's happening at all times. Butterflies Elephant Animals Wales. They they all communicate through abrasion. And it's it's powerful when we can take our power back in that conversation Leinen and then look at the world in that way as a vibration or universe versus these beings that are just going on autopilot and whatever comes and I like what I like. I don't like what I like. No look into it. Why why is it that you don't like that? What is that doing? vibrational wears vibrating because ultimately that movement of operation is leading towards something so where is it. vibrating toured and is that best for you. I recently recommended better. Help to a friend of mine who has been really overwhelmed. with a new job Her relationship and just felt like there were thoughts that were interfering with happiness and preventing her from achieving her goals. And so I recommend it better. Hope who really helped her assessor needs and make a match with a licensed professional therapist and this all happens on online. 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You'll get ten percent off your first month by going to be a R H E L P dot com slash almost thirty. And we do have to say this is not a crisis. Hotline Albert Alberta's professional counseling done securely on line better help dot com slash almost thirty for ten dollars off your first month. In what ways have you been able to fine tune your own and also your client's perception of aberration or a feeling or an instinct 'cause I think At least in my experience and I've gotten better at this but just trusting not feeling and just being like okay. That's what I should follow. Or that's what's right and I in my experience it's been practice but are there ways in which you can Get quiet enough to really feel that exactly and the the number one way it definitely is practice is like getting on that court of life every day showing up being Kobe Bryant. Kobe is no no me. You'RE GONNA be his alley references that are sports related so this this person so Kobe thing about him is and you may know this. He's the one who like your favorite basketball player. Goes to just watch him work out. Yeah that's the Dam Lake Lake. Who does that his work ethic? The way he works out he'll show up at five. AM when everybody else getting their sleep. He still and he's already like in a full sweat. You know well He. He's really putting in that time and another sport for sports reference for years so let Smith they. I am UBT. Tbt Wow yes favorite cowboy right. I know I think he's favoring thanks. Yeah he's retired number twenty two so he he said one time in an interview. Like how have you won. So many super bowl rings things like how do you do this. And he's his answer was the super bowl is one in preseason. I call so from there like inspired me so much like okay let me get me a preseason like what is my preseason so for me. It's my daily routine is my preseason how I am when I when I'm off is my preseason. How like myself care routine my spirituality? That's all my preseason. Because you never know when you're going to have to get on that court even like with with athletes. They don't know when they're going to take off the bench. They have no clue but they have to be ready. Ready for the game and so the game of life and so when you can use everyday in the way that translates into answer your question going to bring it back is practice practice. Were going out on on those inklings on those nudges like doing the things that maybe feel awkward. But you know you're filling call to do it trusting this guidance like the direction so really allowing your disarming and your intuition to lead you and it it could be you know it can be static cute. I maybe something's come through. They follow through or not. But the more you you do it the stronger and louder gets. It's just how it works. And so the more that you start to work daily on honoring these little nudges and it could be something as small as call so and so and check on her since owned so a message. Check your email now or look at the clock Turn on the radio so and you'll start hearing during these messages. It'll be in a song. It'll be in copy somewhere on the website. It'll be an assign like these messages. Start coming into you and you're like Whoa okay in almost sometimes you're like can I turn down like I want to get off the clock now but I was filling the bath the other day and my my hit. My angels are like like check the bath check the bath and I was like doing piteously I was like I was an inch of water. My everything overflow it was like a clear like okay. I got it bitcoin silly but like I literally heard like check the like go. Check the bath. Yeah just he'll second guess ourselves okay. I'm just I'm being paranoid annoy people. You know way out sometimes we can second guess our own selves. But when you know what you know you like stand in that knowing and and move out on it one hundred percent. I was thinking of Something that when one of the tweets that you had but I really loved was about life being obedient to your beliefs. We talk a little bit. Yeah you you believe what you see and so going you know when we can look back at childhood like for me. I believe what I saw I. I saw a lot of just victimization in a lot of pain and trauma and so that's what I believe for a long time. And that's what kept showing up in my life until I was able to believe something different and it's not saying it's our fault. It's not our fault. We we come a lot. Some of US come to this world already the at a disadvantage Ito. This yes so it's not. Your fault is just this universe we entered into you know. It's already moving when we get here. And so our parents are doing the best they can with what they know with any traumas they have had so it was all about for me. Reprogramming those beliefs like I had to start believing something in different if I wanted to start seeing something different and so I started doing the visualizations that the books talked about the power of conscious mind Howard Thurman just so many any of the greats talked about and a hat start really feeling into that like what did it feel like again to be healed and in my power and I would close my eyes as I remember at one of my jobs especially I was the only one that will be there on my shift and I would go to the mirror and start doing like these high. Ah I love the high like around love. You and I don't know where this came from it. It just like a but again see. I was working on that thing in me telling me to go through this. I would go in the mirror. And Allie Allie be like. Hi How are you like. I was meeting and greeting people on my. I had no clue like what was and I was stealing toxic relationship at the time. Not healed yet but I was doing these things because I was reading it was slowly. I was slowly being guided other whole lifestyle. It was the process but it was a journey as well and that was getting instruction and I was following and so even felt weird and I was like if anyone comes in. If there's a camera in here anywhere I and so now when I'm on stage speaking when I'm doing any kind of thing in public where people are saying hi to me or you know somewhere waving crowd like because sometimes it'll hit me and I'm like Whoa. I did this way back then when my life was a mess I was visiting this right here and it came to be so so that in itself is so powerful. That's why there is no way anyone can tell me that this is woo because it's not that this is practical law. It is tactical. It's a cold common sense and when we're able to just grab onto that and move through life with it where more empowered and we're more ready now to meet to whole space for our future and to show up and see. I was seeing something different instead of seeing my life where I did before. Like oh you know. I'm GonNa Grove and Mary someone crazy and you know always be calling my mother for help and you know. Can I come stay with you or sleeping on someone couch like there was a point like I. I was homeless. I mean there was so much that I went through in my young childhood when I was you know getting out of that crazy relationship that I talked about in the book that it how sleeping on my sister's couch a couple times because I'll go back and then you know but when enough was enough that was it I was like this'll be the last time I am on my sister's couch with nowhere to move in leaving a toxic relationship this is it and I just got tired of of him. I even got tired of telling my story of saying like this happen again and so I it was just a way I inserted myself differently into through the universe now like waking up every day I was like it's game time. That's it yeah. There is something that happens like an expiration to that Giving into into the getting into but just like believing that story and like earing to and you're just like your own shit and you're like okay. Yeah let's let's go yup. Yeah yeah related to that to that toxic relationship like what is what is your relationship then with forgiveness and how does that relate to vibration forgiveness important because it's an energy. It's when you don't forgive you're holding onto that experience within you. All of the cells in your body are still vibrating with that memory. And when you can let go and when you hold on whatever you holding onto you're saying you still you still desire it to be there with you in your experience in your reality now because there's no way you can reach out and grab it like the people that were there. There's no way I could reach out and grab the man who abuse accuse me he's not there so it's physically impossible for me to still be there but the only way I can still be there is if I'm thinking about it still if I'm feeling it still and so I had had to get clear with that piece that even though I'm safe physically that emotionally vibrational I'm still holding onto this. I'm still looking at him with aside. I whatever it is and so it took a while and I'm not saying this is easy because it's not. It's not easy but it's doable. And that's what I want. Everyone everyone to know because sometimes people can't say oh you know easier said than done because it looks nice when it's in a post and it's all cured on instagram. But I share these things because I I lived in I did it and I can only share with you authentically from my experience and so I'm here to be someone who says I seen it happened. It happened for me. I've seen it happen for other people. It can work and so I started to leak my my that hold. Which forgiveness is it's like claw its holding on on and it's a little bit of that bitter energy but at the end of it it's all fear it's all fear and I had to let go of it and I had to release it and I had to begin to not wish him harm but western healing and wishing people harm? Doesn't look like okay. You know what you you know. Get bricklaying mysteriously you. It's not that but sometimes you're you. We don't understand where wishing people harm by sending them negative energy because we don't know what that can manifest in their life and Israel yes Israel Israel. We don't yeah we don't want to you. Know put spells on people. Says we don't want to let go because at the end of the day you know we don't want any of that to come back US US looking back for us so I was able to let go and just release and surrender and know that he was a victim as well which he was he was a victim I was and when we can truly whoever hurt us in our lives. Whatever has happened that we can know that this is not the end all be all and nine times out of ten? This person like we talks about the four agreements in chapter two. Don't take it personal. That book changed my life like when I can house them abused me or trade at me or didn't show up for me. Whatever it is or walks away when I can't take that personal that's when my I have power because I'm not attached to it? Okay that's good. You're that's how it's supposed supposed to be. And that's freedom at surrender and again. It's not holding going through the world with attachments in the book the profit by Khalil Gibran. He's so important with teach us about attachments. And Okay I am a little attached here been and even in the Buddhist face is that you we suffer because because what we're attached to you know so when we can just surrender and live life and be mindful for wherever we are and then show up in our power there. That's a piece I would add. You know they they they worded differently but it's all saying the same thing. We can vibrate higher wherever we find ourselves. That's our power so if it's in forgiving someone knowing this is a powerful moment for me and then you go forward and so I began to really send him love and I want to almost say what happened but you have to read the book to find out what happened to this man and really see what that did because it helps and he yeah. I'll just say that got got so Yeah one account. I can't wait to read the book and to like just the power of saying to someone I forgive. You could completely change their life. Not only your life At Lake we we forget that that they're paying around something. What they've done is is just as toxic to their emotional and physical body as it was you know the pre the victim so and even if they don't really realize it I know right has some people don't realize that they're suffering rather shooting people but it's happening this why they're bitter and this is why they're in these cycles? They don't Mike and this is why they can't maybe hold friends at that you know are really meaningful. So but they they. It's showing up trust. It's showing up in one way or the other and so even having compassion for that. I this person's life is they're suffering and they are doing the best they can. Even though they're suffering they're doing the best they can and that is so freeing and even when we can look at ourselves and just use compassion and that way and you know who who who would I ask to forgive me because along the way caroline mice. She's another good author and teacher. She says Trust that as many as as many people who have hurt you trust at. Somebody's therapy because of you somewhere somewhere. Delirious isn't it hilarious Laureus so so when we can look in that you know how we ask for forgiveness you know everywhere we have and I love that that's You know part of the Buddhist faith safe part of becoming a nun but also part of the alcohol. The NANYA part of that is you have to go to people and ask for forgiveness whether it's sending a letter or upper third stuffers. Yeah one of those steps. Yeah is asking for forgiveness so just be having combat like we all have something that we've done to harm another human being and and just I leading a go with love with tenderness and then do the best you can from their journey and grace yourself and then allow the other personal journey and grace and trust us that they'll get their lesson best how whenever and however is best for them and there's unattached to the result of your saying sorry Bingo you can't be attached to the way that they receive something like that that's just have to keep your side of the string. Lean that yes you know because some people yeah some you WanNa keep going because it feels air you know made. They're still talk in the cycle. Yeah but you did your part you took your trash out underling. I left it on the doorstep. Good thank you. I WanNa Talk My last question about your self care routine quarter parts of yourself care routine that. Ah You really cherish. My Self care routine is totally dependent on the type of time I have for the day. Sometimes sometimes there'll be a a week. Where like all the same than other time like I have? I have no time to do all the fun fluffy stuff and so it's all a matter of what is important for that day but if I had to say like one of my favorite ways to practice self care is bodywork by. There is a massage. Good masseuse I go to. Yeah well I've been going to Olympic spar. Oh we totally that's a whole experience. We go with therefrom. Lana Oh Lana yes. A level best. Yes she is. Yes so I've going to Olympic spa and another place here. That have have went to many times that I am going to go back to again. Since I've lived there coast. Now is the now massage. They really great. And then I also like reflexologist the acupressure. All that is really great as well for Bodywork so I really think also Sochi newbath. That's also a form of body work because you're able to you know help everything. Everything just discharge and all this bodywork is helping things discharge out the body and I do best. I think when I'm allowing my body. The Self Sir Release Energy and vibrations that I picked up as a human walking magnet as we all are Through this whole week mental physical spiritual our it is Just to let those things go and movement is a powerful way whether it's dancing. That's another great way but for me massage is really good for that. I love You mentioned earlier mantras. Are there any mantras that you are using now to to reservation but early resonating. Yes live in my power. which is the subtitle of the book that has been such a powerful one for me and vibrate higher daily? There's in my home like someone they're saying it every day you know it's like we put a fist in the air vibrate higher day Is this we live by that. You know in in live. I'm living in my power our because wherever I find myself whether it's at my desk and I'm writing and creating and I don't feel like I have at that day I'm living in my power and then whether I'm a parent whether I'm showing up as a friend sister living in my power being able to show up from a place of power also Taking my power back and then also journey journey and grace is another mantra because some days everything you're trying to carry you can follow the floor and like there's a two part quote he says you know sometimes you just have to leave it there and walk away you know. He's just like not about trying to even pick it up anymore. And that's where I would say Hashtag journey and grace I keep it moving. You know and just know that it's okay. You're okay vibrate higher right there. You have a next the next day than divine grace is there. You have an a whole new start and even Every second is a new start. And that's mindfulness. That's what the whole path. 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Building Your Confidence with Heather Monahan- CR049

Career Relaunch�

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Building Your Confidence with Heather Monahan- CR049

"I had been putting myself in a box my whole life and that was wrong. I realized that my strengths my skills. Just like anyone's can apply to any lane or any career. It doesn't have to be just the one you have experiencing. Welcome to career relaunched, the podcast focused on helping you create a more fulfilling career, my name is Joseph Liu, and I'm here to help you gain the clarity confidence and courage to overcome the challenges of making changes to your career. So you can do more meaningful work and enjoy your professional life in each episode. I feature people who have stepped off the beaten path to reinvent their careers and successfully make a major career pivot. We talk through their unique personal stories the challenges they overcame and the lessons. They learned along the way to help you take the brave steps needed to relaunch your own career today. My guest is going to explain how she relaunched her career from being a chief revenue officer to becoming a professional speaker, and author we'll discuss how sharing your vulnerabilities actually makes you stronger, and what it takes to feel more confident in your. Career afterwards during today's mental fuel. I'll give you a glimpse into some of my struggles when I relocated from San Francisco to London today. I'm speaking with Heather Monaghan, who's a bestselling author. Keynote speaker with the Harry Walker agency brand ambassador for Perry Ellis international entrepreneur and founder of boss in heels. Having worked nearly twenty years in corporate America, Heather has been named a glass ceiling award winner. One of the most influential women in radio in two thousand seventeen and the limit breaking female founder in two thousand eighteen by thrive global, she's also a member of Florida international university's advisory council serving as a mentor and leader in the south Florida community. Now, Heather, and I I connected after she shared some commentary for one of my Forbes articles, and she was kind enough to send me her recent book confidence creator, which I found to be a really interesting read about her life and how she developed confident in her own career. So I'm really excited to have her on today's show. You can get all the. Show notes from this episode at career relaunched dot net slash forty nine. Heather spoke with me from Miami. Florida. Well, Hello there and welcome to career relaunch Joseph. Thanks for having me. Well, thanks so much for making time out of your busy schedule to join me here today there, I know that you've had a really busy few weeks recently. And we've got a lot to cover today because I want to talk about your former life in radio your career transitions your current book, and some of the career lessons you go through in your book. But I was wondering if you could just start us off by telling me what you're focused on right now in your career and your life share since my book dropped me twenty second Islas picked up by the Harry Walker speaker agency, and I've been speaking somewhere different every single week. It's really been intense from New York City to I'm heading to Las Vegas in two weeks to speak to the WNBA. So that's been taking up a lot of my time, and I just finished editing. The video version of my book, which will be dropping in the next couple of weeks. So it's been pretty exciting while very cool. And I just wanted to thank you for sending me a copy of your book. I wanted definitely come back to that. Because there's some really great points that you make. But I was wondering Heather if we could just go back in time first of all because you've had a very interesting career. And I know you haven't always been an author or professional speaker. And I was wondering if you could take us back to your time at the Beasley broadcast group when used to work in radio, and then maybe we can move forward from there. Can you just tell me what you were doing there? And then we could talk about some of your transitions afterwards. Eighteen years ago. I started at a publicly traded radio company as director of sales. I saw an opportunity in the company that there was no beater or for the sales organization. I pitched myself for that job for BP Zales. I got that job. I was in that job for a few years. And I saw the opportunity for advancement. I pinched myself executive vice president in ultimately chief revenue officer in I was promoted time in time again, and then July twenty seven of last year two thousand seventeen I was fired. And that's really the moment where I made the decision to go out on my own start a completely new career at forty three years old when we spoke before a no that one of the things that you did which is something that's quite common for a listener on this show. Heather is at you started to work on some side projects. Can you just give us a glimpse into what you working on? And how that was coordinated with your day job. Prior to you departing from that company. A couple of years before I was fired. I decided I wanted a little bit more purpose in my day to day life. So I tried creating a women's group within my division at the company to really unite women to support one another and alternately, I was shut down. When the founder's daughter found out was what I was doing. So her brother sets me, why don't you just do this in your own personal life? So no one can shut you down. So at that time, I decided to launch my own website, Heather Monaghan dot com and a tribe called Boston heels, which is all about being a leader in your own, right? Whether you're a man woman, no matter what your background, but I created a community where I could share all the things that I didn't know when I was young person. Basically what it takes to get at head. And I really wanted to give back and be that person and mentor for me that I didn't have when I was a younger person. So I created that community. I started writing. Thing at night, and creating blog posts and social media post on all the different platforms in when I was challenged that it was possibly taking away from my work my day to day job. I hired people to manage it for me. And then I would just valuate it at nights and on the weekends to ensure that it was really my voice in my message. That was getting out there you mentioned that try to do this within your company, something similar your employer. Also didn't react that will you doing this on the side? Can you just share with me what that was like for you to have your current employer? Basically dissuading you from doing something that you were so passionate about. I mean, ultimately it became harassing. So it was just a horrible time for me personally and professionally, but it was one of those moments in my life, where I decided I'm so sick of being bullied and intimidated because of a paycheck in job that I decided I I'm going to stand up for myself anyways. And when I got the phone call and was told to shut it down. I said I'm not going to shut it down. This is a positive message. This is something I'm passionate about this has nothing to do with work in. I hear your concerns, but they are not valid in. I'm going to move forward in. I ultimately put disclaimers on everything. So that people would know this wasn't the voice of my employer. This was my personal boys. And I really started building my confidence during that whole time by standing up for myself. But it definitely was ninety. And was this ultimately would got you fired. Or was it something else? And how did you react to being fired? This. Was definitely the catalysts that be. You know, this initiated the drama for me at work when I didn't back down and do what this woman wanted. That's when things got very difficult and tumultuous. So this started me down a path that I still think I'd be fired because I had been at the company so long. I adjust been voted one of the most influential women in radio in two thousand seventeen I was on so many different boards. And I had so many great relationships. I couldn't imagine that. I'd be fired. However, I knew she didn't like me. I knew she didn't like what I was doing. But I knew what I was doing was positive in. It was within my right? So at the end of the day, she fired me saying that might position chief revenue officer was no longer needed in. Therefore, I wasn't needed either. It is what it is in. I got fired. I felt terrible. The whole meeting after fourteen years lasted about three minutes, and I drove home my three hour, ride home crying. And basically sat him Mike couch for twenty four hours under a weighted blanket. Wondering what I was going to do with my life because I was under a non compete. So I couldn't go back to my same industry for months, and I really didn't know what to do. So I was really devastated Joe. So how'd you bounce back from devastation because I know that it sounds like you're doing really great right now. But what I want to make sure that we talk about today is how you ended up digging yourself out of that hole and finding your way forward. Could you just walk us through what you did? After those twenty four hours. Luckily, I've been journaling my entire life, and I recommend that to everyone because journaling allows you to look back at different moments in your light and gained strength from seeing. How far you've come. So I've been divorced. I made it through the recession. I been cheated on. I been sexually harassed at work. I look back at all of these moments. These low moments in my life, and they gave me courage in. That low moment that I was faced with yet again through all bisness versity over the past forty three years. I started to learn a solid plan that can allow me to get out of trouble in what I did twenty four hours after getting fired was I created a thirty day plan, which was fine. I it's not too big. It's palatable, and I crossed off the days, and I wrote down specific things I wanted to accomplish each day. So I could feel proud about myself. I also realize that getting rid of negative people in your life. Like that person. I was working for opened us so much opportunity for positive people to start coming into my life, which wasn't happening before in. I recorded all of those things in thirty day plan. And I started creating a vision for where I wanted to go each day and each step that I took brought me closer. I didn't know where I was going. I just knew I was moving forward and that brought me to the. The day within one week after being fired. No one knew I was fired. And I decided I'm gonna take control of this. And I'm gonna post on social media that I've been fired. I devastated in I need help. And people thought I was crazy for doing that. But that ended up being the single game changer for me in those low moments in low times, I had thousands of people reach out to may trying to help me offering me connections offering to put me on different shows to help me in hire me in that was a real catalyst for change for me that first week. That's a great lesson. I know that you, and I I cross paths when you shared that tip for Forbes article, I wrote about Lincoln and how important it is to be transparent about what you're going through. So I think that that's a really great tip for people who are going through transition to actually let people know about it is that how you eventually landed your gig as a Brandon Bassett, or how did you become a brand ambassador, which I know is something that you you started doing late last. Here. No that actually was very separate from this initiative. Why head realized that you know, when I was fired. I wanted to really align myself with a marquee brand. Because I knew that going out on my own. I was going to be a one man show. And there's not a lot of credibility at first until you start creating some success on your own if I could partner in a line myself with a successful proven major brand that was really going to elevate. The perception of me so I- targeted a local company, which is a multibillion dollar company Perry Ellis international in I was relentless in pursuing that CEO. I did not stop in for forty five days. I pursued him every way that I could I had come up with a great idea that was going to bring him value. And I just wanted to meeting and eventually after many dark nights of no response. He responding to the meeting. And he loved my idea we started working together. Very cool. Now, I want to switch gears here, and I definitely want to make sure we spend a good chunk of time talking about your book confidence creator. But before I do I just wanna go back to something you said earlier because this is something that's been on my mind, which you mentioned something about getting rid of the negative people in your life. And I'm just curious. How do you go about doing that? And I guess what's behind. My question is this is something I've been thinking about recently, also like if you've got people in your life who just make you feel either bad about yourself or you just don't feel very good around them. And yet they've been a part of your life for a long time. I don't know if that was your situation, but I'm just curious how you managed that. I guess what I'm gonna call like a purging process of getting rid of negative people in your life. It's huge. That's this single thing. I point to for anyone that can be the greatest catalyst for change in really help you in a buried quick time period. It doesn't mean to be some long drawn out thing. It's a discussion. I with yourself that you're deciding to remove negative people from your life. I call it firing negative people. And then it's just a simple conversation with them, which can literally be this isn't working for me right now. I don't feel great when I'm around you. And I'm going to give myself some space. Thank you for understanding. And then you move on. You'll see over time that person will stop calling you stop contacting you because you're not going to respond anymore. Now. It becomes more challenging when that person is a member of your family, and there's a lot of people that have relatives that might not lift them up. They may be trying to drag you down, and that's a different conversation, but still taking emotion out of it in saying mom, I love you very much. However when you speak to me like this. I don't feel great about myself. So when we get point in the conversation where we're going to end up here. I'm going to have to disconnect the call and go on my way. And when you do that repeatedly that person will learn that, they speak to you that way, you're going to be gone, and then Bill either change their ways or they're going to respect you and give you a little bit more space, which is going to help you very good advice there. So that's a good segue into your book confidence creator because it sounds like that act in and of itself does take some confidence. And I want to first of all talk about your process of writing the book, and then a few of the points that you make in the book, which I feel are especially relevant to career changers. And first of all, I gotta thank thank you for sending me a copy Heather because I get sent a lot of books these days, and I don't always get around to reading them. But I decided to read yours because just really appreciated how honest and simple your messages are. And it's also kind of a page Turner. So I was wondering if you could start by. Telling me how you came up with the idea that you even wanted to write a book. When I ask for help. And I put it out online, the Elvis Duran show reached out to me and said, hey, we can help you let us know. And I said sure I'd love to be on your show. They have ten million listeners every day. So I went to New York I went on their show in by the middle of the interview Elvis asked me, we'll obviously you're writing a book, Heather, aren't you? And I wasn't sure at that point. If I was or if I wasn't. But I realized in that moment, I was going to make a commitment to ten million people that I was going to create a above in that moment where you hold yourself accountable to other people really allows you to move forward. And I made that decision in that second. I said, yes, I am writing a book, and when I got home I had been writing every day. But I really, you know, I mocked up a book with a fake cover. I gave myself a deadline of I wanted it done within one year, and I really fast track my progress. I started looking for an editor in once you start pulling in a mentor like an egg. Or someone that can help you leapfrog through the challenges that you have because they've seen that movie before. And they know how to get you where you need to go you really start moving quickly. So as I was like, you actually gain some leverage on yourself, which is something we talk about on this show. It's like you're making a public commitment to do something in that forces you into action, which is really interesting. What was the process like for you of writing the book? I know you mentioned you got an editor to help guide you through the steps of it. But what was the day to day like for you to get your thoughts down on paper? You know? I think everyone overcomplicated. That's I sat down and wrote. And really the day. I started which was earlier on. I just googled how do you write a book? It's about making the time commitment. It's nothing more than when I started. I didn't know I was writing a book about confidence. I didn't know I was writing a book about my lowest moments. I just simply sat down each day and wrote whatever was in my mind within a few weeks. I started seeing that I was a pack. Pattern about challenges and overcoming challenges. And I started to realize I was writing about building confidence. Interesting Yod always just presumed that you had set out to write about confidence because it is such a strong theme in the book. But that's really interesting that that came to you more organically, what about the publishing process? How did you go about actually creating the physical book? Once you had it written. That I found to be much more challenging self publishing is hard. And I looked at the potential of going the traditional publishing route the problem is it takes months to pitch yourself in in present yourself to sell a publisher on MU, which I really wanna wait that amount of time. And then when I found out to get in their queue, it's usually twelve to eighteen months from that date that you sign with them that your book will come out. And when I heard that timeline, I said, no way, I don't have a year or year and a half or two years to wait. I need traction in action now, so I decided to self publish again, I googled, how do you sell publishable, and I just I p's meal together. You know, the reality is if you are committed to finding ways through the obstacles and binding solutions, you'll find them, and I asked for help, and I was relentless in my pursuit of researching who could help me design the cover who could help me with the layout. And I ended up finding a company that had an ala carte service. That really allows you to pay you want someone to edit your book, they have someone for a fee for that. If you want someone to design the layout. They have someone birth e for that. And I decided to go that one stop shop in just the pieces that I needed. So that I didn't have to keep running around dealing with a lot of different vendors and through the process of writing and eventually publishing this book. I'm curious Heather was there something that you learned about yourself. I learned that I had been putting myself in a box my whole life and that was wrong. I believe that my box in my lane was sales. It was leadership, and it was business. And that's where I belong because that's what I knew. I was so scared the day that I decided to jump out of that lane and jump into this author lane entrepreneur lane. I was petrified. And so many times I ne-. Nearly gave up and just started applying until all media companies and trying to get back to what I knew I was good at. But by getting rid of the lanes blowing up the box. I realized that my strengths my skills. Just like anyone's can apply to any lane or any career. It doesn't have to be just the one you have experience in now. I know you were also recently featured in thrive global, which is very cool. So congratulations on that. And one of the questions that they asked you about some of the lessons, you learned or some of the things that you might do differently. I'm just wondering with relation to the book. It sounds like it's going really well. But if you could do it over what would you do differently? If anything. I believe done is better than perfect. You can drive yourself crazy over Ming the title of quarter or centimeter or the color shift. But one thing that I would have done was I would have read through my book incompletion again, there's a couple of small errors. I would have tweaked. Same thing. With my audio book, I decided to narrate that on my own which I was so scared. Oh, but it's really meaningful. Now when people hear it because it's me and my emotion coming through the stories, which is really power powerful. However, there are a couple of errors in the audio book as well. But I was so fixated on getting the book to market that I said, he know it done is better than perfect, and I've got to pull the report and go, and I've had a couple people reach out to me and say, did, you know, there is an error in audio book. And I said, well, actually, there's two so we'll back and listen to get and try to find it. That's a great segue. Heather into the last thing that I was hoping to talk with you about before we wrap up with some of the work. You're doing right now for the Harry Walker agency, which is this point you made about done is better than perfect in your book in chapter ten you. You say something around not feeling like you have to have everything be perfect. And this is something that I continue to work on myself. How do you go about letting go of perfection? Perfection doesn't exist for no-one. There is no such thing as perfect and the more. I had come to the realization that people that try to pretend. They're perfect are the most insecure people out there in my whole goal is to be the most confident me I can be. So that means shaming Mike laws really shining, a light on everything that could potentially be wrong allows me to be my strongest self might most competence L. So I really step into that as a power in that makes me feel strong and phenomenal versus when I wanted to try to make everything perfect. I never felt so good I felt badly. I couldn't she'd perfect it just didn't exist. It was allusive to me. So for me letting go of that idea perfection, and instead embracing that perfect means that's the low moment. Bit insecure moment where you're trying to hide what's underneath when I remind myself that I allow myself to shine that late on on my mistakes and my imperfections. Which draws people closer to me. Because that the real me another thing that you say in the book is that we all need people who pick us up when we're down. But sometimes it's a job we can do ourselves. And for those listeners out there who struggled to do this. What's worked well for you? When it comes to trying to pick yourself back up without having to rely on other people to do this for you. I Lieb reminders for myself everywhere. I heard about this in the book, whether it be little notes, I put in my suitcase, I'm going to New York to speak tomorrow. So I'll have a really positive note in my suitcase tomorrow when I get there to remind myself on you can't do this. You're going to be phenomenal. I write notes on the bottom of my heels. I put them in my phone in my calendar. So that if there is a potential Lohman that I wasn't prepared for I'm going to be able to pick myself right back up in it. And I also hold onto three accomplishments. That really helped me realize I was scared going into. The situation it turned out. Okay. Let's tap into this for the strength. I need for right now. Whatever I'm walking into. The other question. I wanted to ask you was your recently on headline news. You talked about finding your superpower. And I'm wondering what is your superpower? And how did you go about finding it? I actually have a lot of superpowers. I believe everybody does. But for me, I really in the past couple of years come to grips with speaking public speaking as a superpower of mine, and really that is about storytelling in feeling comfortable sharing your own stories publicly in I learned about that through a challenge of friend gave me when I said, I feel like I'm going through life. And I don't really know what the purposes he said you need to put yourself in an uncomfortable situation. So I'm going to challenge you a stand up comedy glass, and I gave him every reason why couldn't do it. I'm a single mom. I run a publicly traded company at that time. I was I don't have time. And he said, give yourself more excuses or find a way to do it. But I'm telling you this is going to help you really get yourself out of your comfort zone, and it did and taking that class allowed me to see what was different about me another recommendation. I make to people is to ask those in your circle peers at work, Renton family, ask them, what's different. About me. What is that special unique quality that you really think I should step into to own my best sell? And then watch the amazing responses you get back from people that in and of itself is a confidence building moment. And it will teach you that something that you've thought was just normal isn't that normal? It's really special. Will. I'd love to wrap up Heather with what you're doing right now. Speaking about speaking. And I was wondering if you could tell me more about your work that you do for the Harry Walker agency, and what your life is like now as a professional speaker. I had to reach out to Harry Walker speaker agency prior to writing my book, and they told me that, you know, there wasn't space for me on the team wants my book came out number one on Amazon business biographies. They contact me back and said they wanted to have me. So the book was really the catalyst for me for so many different things to really take that next step in the Harry Walker agency sets of value on their speakers. So before where I might feel fine going into speak at a business for free. They don't allow that. Because they determine the value in like anything once you decide your value, and you really own that everybody else will own that in respect that as well. So it's really changed something that I enjoy doing that used to do for free that now there's a value associated with it in exchange, which makes it that much better for me in it's such a rewarding experience, I've been meeting a lot of new people dealing with professional athletes in different companies. I never thought I'd work. With I'm going to speak at a law firm to partners, and I don't have a background in law. So it's so interesting to see that everyone struggles with confidence everyone struggles with adversity, and no matter what your Rena or what you do for a living. We're all in this together. And getting the chance to work with these different diverse groups and help everyone really own their confidence in embrace. These challenges has been such a rewarding experience for me. Do you have any quick tips on how someone who is interested in doing more public speaking or wants to get up in front of audiences more? Do you have any tips on how you can gain more confidence as a speaker practice is everything? So I practice in my house in front of a mirror. I make my poor child. Listen to my random speeches all of the time. Also, you know, speaking is interesting people want sheet, they wanna connect with you, and you need to get their attention. So the first thing I suggest doing. Is tell a personal story even Erie your speech is about something boring in statistics still open with engaging personal message personal story. So that you get people listening to you that's half the battle in throughout your speech. Ask questions open ended questions has anybody else in this room struggled with confidence? Do you guys understand what I'm saying? Or is this off phase ask questions of the audience? So that they're on their toes listening to you. And then you can see in their eyes. What is resonating or what's not resonating? But really try to back is enough. So that you don't have to read a script because I really believe that people would rather listen to you talk share stories and make some key points versus reading a script in looking at a slide on the wall. It's really about bringing your personality to life and the best way you can do that as by working on your competence taking baby steps and put. The time into practice. I also believe in anytime. I'm nervous. I have a win win. Win played lists that I fire up right before I'm gonna go on stage, and speak it anything. And I also remind myself a different times I felt nervous before I got on a stage in it actually went. Okay. Or it went well. And I remind myself that that one went, well, this one's guy just as good a chance if not better to go great. That's great advice there. So thanks so much for sharing that with us end. So speaking of confidence and being able to speak confidently in this topic of confidence. If people wanna learn more about you or your story or your book confidence creator where can they go? So you can go to Amazon to get my book competence creator. It's a kindle paperback, hardcover, an audible in you wanna learn or follow me on social media. I'm at Heather Monaghan, and my website is Heather Monaghan dot com. All right. Well, thank you so much for telling us more about your life as an author and your own career transitions. Your experiences a writer and also your book confidence creator, which I would highly recommend to people out there who are interested in this topic of confidence. So best of luck with the ongoing book, publicity and all of your speaking engagements. Thanks for joining us on the show today. Thanks so much Jason. This. Oh, I hope you enjoyed hearing. Heather's thoughts on the power of journaling? How your past successes can be a source of strength. And why done is better than perfect now? It's time to wrap up with today's mental fuel where I'm going to share a personal example of when I tapped into my past and asked for help as a way of getting me through daunting career transition before we get to today's mental fuel. I wanted to brand yourself for supporting this episode of career relaunch brand yourself offer simple, tools and services to help control. What people find when they do go you to clean up. Protect and improve. How you look online. Visit Brynjar self dot com and use promo code relaunch to get fifty percent off a premium membership. This is the part of the show called mental fuel where I finished the show with a brief personal story related to one of the topics. We cover today and wrap up with a simple challenge to help you move forward with your own career goals. So for today's mental fuel I wanted to go back to one of the things Heather said about reminding herself of her past accomplishments as a way of creating confidence when tackling a new challenge. And also what? She said about the importance of being transparent with your vulnerabilities. So I'm going to try to do both here, and Sharon example, of a time when I had to remind myself of my past history as a way of fuelling myself during a tough transition while also giving you a behind the scenes look into one of the bigger career changes in my life. The so I want to take you back to early two thousand ten when I made the decision to leave my life back in San Francisco behind to move to London. And if you're a long-time listener of this show, you know, I made this move because I was in a long distance relationship with my then girlfriend now wife who lived in London at the time my life in the bay area was pretty comfortable at the time a loved where I lived in downtown San Francisco, I lived only a couple hours from my family, a few blocks from some really close friends, and I had a solid marketing job at a really well known company and a great work life balance, which gave me some. Explorer a lot of my personal interests in food and cooking. So the idea of disrupting all of that was tough for me to stomach, but I really felt like I needed to make the move to London to prioritize my personal life. And I got to a place where I was fairly convinced I could pull this off mostly because I tried to do what Heather suggested looking back on my past experiences and reminding myself that I managed to pull off some big moves in the past. Whether it was moving to Hawaii to find a job or landing on my feet after leaving medical school fast forward to the summer of two thousand ten and I will never forget how stressed I felt after I landed in the UK I was really hustling to find a job. I wasn't sleeping. Well, I'd been making regular multi day trips to London from Nottingham, which is where we lived after. I moved here to the UK, and I was basically sleeping on couches at different friends places in London while I was job hunting. And I'll never forget one day in particular after a few weeks of doing this. When I was literally walking down a highway outside of London in my suit on a really hot day because I couldn't find a cab heading reluctantly to interview at a company, I won't mention for a brand manager role where I'd be in charge of their package sausage business. And not that there's anything wrong necessarily with marketing sausages, and I know that job hunting in the big scheme of things, isn't that bad and things could have been a lot worse. But that particular day just felt like such a letdown from the life. I'd left behind in the bay area and all of this from couch surfing to informational interviewing to having to job hunt. Again after recently get my MBA at companies, I wasn't even dad excited about just kind of felt humiliating. So one of the things I'm not always good about doing is asking for help. But that's summer. I did similar to what Heather mentioned. I told everyone I knew that. I needed some help. I asked friends if I could stay with them repeatedly. I asked alumni in London. I'd never met before to help. Give me a lay the land in London. And I asked everyone I cross paths with to keep me in mind if they heard of a job that matched what I was looking for. And in the end, a combination of all these things helped me land my job it came from a contact of a contact who got my resume directly into the hands of a hiring manager at an exciting startup chocolate dessert company in London, which is where I ended up working. So I'm sharing this story with you because I think that sometimes UC a bit of a time lapse amongst career changers between where they were. And where they are. Now, you see people successfully relaunched their careers and on the one hand. Inspiring. But on the other it can feel a little bit demoralizing if you haven't managed to pull off a similar change yourself. The reality is that career change is hard. These changes often come out only after a lot of hard work and a lot of frustrating days when you feel like you wanna quit. I've definitely been there myself, and I've found that one of the keys is trying to find a way to swallow your own pride and just ask for help. When you need it. It's taken me sometime to realize it asking for help is not a sign of weakness. But rather a sign of strength and confidence because honestly, everyone needs some help. Sometimes this takes me to a quote from the author can petty sometimes in life, you can fall down holes. You can't climb out of by yourself. That's what friends and family or four to help. They can. Can't help. However, unless you let them know you're down there. So my challenge to you is to consider one area in your career where you could really use some help. And once you've identified it to allow yourself to be vulnerable and to go out and let people know you're looking for help in this particular area. You might just get that nudge in the right direction, the introduction of someone who can make a big difference or an idea you hadn't thought of that really helps you turn a corner and hopefully one day after you've made the progress you want you can return the favor to someone else who needs it before we go today. I just wanted to share this kind review from a listener in Vancouver Canada. Hi joseph. This is Lee Lipton from span consulting in Vancouver, Canada, transportation, travel and economic development consultancy launched here. Just last week hearing about the wide range of experiences from guests on your podcast gave me numerous ideas, as I developed my business plan and brand I've been inspired to pursue a wide range of opportunities and invest. Building valuable connections. Thanks for helping me expand consulting to new heights. Well, thanks so much Lee for taking the time to leave this message. It sounds like you've made a big decision and move to launch your own consultancy. And if this podcast has played a role in helping it think about different ways, you could build your business. That's great to hear. And it's exactly why we share these kinds of stories so best of luck with the new consultancy. And I hope it all goes well for you. So just going back to this topic of asking for help. I'd like to ask for your help. If you enjoyed today's episode or you enjoy this podcast. I'd love for you to leave me a positive review on apple podcasts at career relaunch dot net slash forty nine. Which really does help this show reach more people who can benefit from the stories better yet. I'd love for you to also leave me a voice mail of your own career change story or feedback on the show because it really helps strengthen the feeling of community amongst the listeners like you who tune in? You can also do that right there at career relaunched dot net slash four nine when you can also find a summary of all the points from today's conversation with Heather coming up next time, I'm going to be airing the fiftieth episode of career relaunch, and it's going to be a really special episode. You might remember back in may I ask you to vote on the former guest you most wanted to hear from again. And it turns out that the person who got the MO. Votes was Kelly Keira our very first guest on the show way back in September two thousand sixteen when this show launched she's the former educational researcher turned vegan, chef and wellness educator. I'm going to check in with her to hear what she's been up to since we last spoke, and how things have been going for her the past two years. There have been some ups and downs. And it turns out that she's decided to make another shift in her career. So we're going to hear all about that. 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42 - Mens Mental Health Support with Dr. Dominika Zarzeczny

The Over 40 Alpha Podcast

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42 - Mens Mental Health Support with Dr. Dominika Zarzeczny

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Make US weak but are actually voluble right. When you unleash these things it gives you strength and courage to to to continue to move on in your life and and open up the door for for growth because you hold all of these things in that that caused oppression are causing anxiety. It's blocking your growth But you know the stigma behind going to turn to deal with mental health. Sometimes we're not. Sometimes it's still. It's still there. It's still a negative stigma for men in our forties fifties sixties specifically. I guys growing up in our era. When it was one hundred percent most the times we would. We would shoot. We would we. 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Yeah it's great to see the Rock and all these other people talking about you know what they struggled with. That's great and I think that's amazing. I think that's starting to normalize the fact that we can share this information but I do know that it's still we still try to keep a closer Harpoon owners show weakness but man. I'm here to tell you we are here to tell you that you're not week. You're you're stronger than anyone when you unveil this and get search help search for help right. Only the talks. About talk about your. You don't need to talk to your wife about it. You need to talk to your kids about it. You don't even talk to your friends about it but getting out and talking to someone about getting support right. That's key anyways. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa let Dr. Tom Share that with us before we go before we start a couple of things number one remember. Every month we do an awesome giveaway in this month's giveaway. 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There as usual everything that you talk about is so enrich with information and and you know takeaways that we can start and today. We're GONNA talk about mental health and mental health in men on aging men men in their forties fifties sixties seventies even younger but mostly a skies who suffer from mental health or runs in our family. Or what have you I know for myself Mental health my mental health was challenged When I actually when I was turning forty when I turned forty and that was because there are so many things happening with my body at that time you know just just with my body with the the how I reacted to the fact that you know I wasn't able to you know listen for me. It just started very small. It was like okay. Can't lose weight I CANNOT BUILDING MUSCLE. My mood is down for some reason You know I'm my emotions are here and there and everywhere mood swings had no energy so I started to to drink a little bit more. I was drinking a lot. I was partying allied using drugs. Like a lot of things to try to mask what was really happening. And you know that mental health starts to happen with me. You know you start getting You know folks from depression and was very depressed alive and I would try to medicate it with drugs and then I'd be more depressed because when you try to medicate with drugs it just it. Just you know the circle continues right. The spiral continues and it was tough for me. I didn't know what was happening. I didn't know how to how to together but for me I was just gonNA depressed mode. I was isolating a lot and and it just wasn't this didn't look at that time until I went to the doctor. And he told me about my stone and when I started to change everything for me anyway this is just me when I started to change. Everything changed my eating in change who I worked out focused more into focus. You know like really made a little bit more a an effort to to turn that around. Naturally that's when everything started truck stop drinking. He drugs like all of that stuff. Just like Oh no. I feel much better now. I have more energy. You know my my life what I was. You know my life you know. Just just just looking at life. Was you know with more confidence and just it was just. It was just a complete change complete. You know one eighty for me and you know throughout the years it just. It's just always been kind of stable. Yes I've had times where I get depressed over things with running companies for sure. There's a lot of things that happened to me You know when a catastrophe advising things in general for me it wasn't till I realize how the testosterone my low testosterone how to how to direct correlation with an health of course direct correlation with mental and. I also started seeing somebody seeing a therapist and I feel that therapist or even to this day I see him once every month We sit down. We talk and it's just too tough for me to be able to let things out talk about things a different perspective and it's really helped me completely but yeah. I think this is very important because again me mine was just a social and there's other mental health issues that men suffer from that they don't talk about here so. I I applaud you for that that you know you reached out and and sought assistance And in doing so not only have things improved reviews when she became the hero of your own journey hundred percent. I I got really inspired when I work with with male patients Because for many takes a lot for them to talk We know that women visit their healthcare provider is more often than men. Do one of the main reasons for which is meant to be more reluctant to talk about their ailments or emotional distress or seek help for because they've attached meaning to weakness weakness rank. It is as we think it is went Perhaps not making a distinction between weakness and vulnerability vulnerability is. I'm GONNA pull Brown lumber ability is about having courage in the face of uncertainty in the face of risk. And not knowing what's going to happen next that's longer ability which is not the same as weakness mental health if we could actually unpack that is one aspect of overall health. That involves how we're feeling what we believe about ourselves and ourselves in the world and how he will cope with the day to day events in challenges. And how resilient we are by resilience I mean. How quickly are we bouncing back from things that happened? That not only were the unexpected. Perhaps you know through through with off because we're not really talking about we. Don't talk about it in. We didn't talk about in school. We didn't have confided in university. We will talk about it and as a result. It's misunderstood in their stigma and when when it's misunderstood in its signal. We create stories about what it needs. And that's where the it's crucial to unveil that because death by suicide is higher among men than women with men being three to four times more likely to carry out suicide and that the highest rates are among militiamen forties fifties sixties. And other way to put it is three out of four suicides. Are Are what may surprise you. Further is for Canadian. Maintenance is a statistic only because I've been reading up on it is Canadian. Men between the ages of fifteen and forty four suicide is the leading cause of death and globally. A man dies by suicide every minute. If if you know my wife my wife works you know. She's a. She's a fredericks now. Strike she suicide every day every single day in Toronto in Toronto. I'm talking about North America and it's on like every single day it's one after the other one after the other it's great yeah and for every man that actually commit suicide. There's at least twenty others who have tried right exactly so those numbers are really really staggering And why we really should be focusing on mental health. The mental hospital particularly for men. Now now the good thing about mental health I do have to say it's now becoming a little bit more acceptable to talk about it. More in the media. I'm talking with the media. The media is trying to make it more acceptable. You see a lot of male celebrities and athletes coming out about their mental health. And kind of but I still think even though they're doing it's still not resonating to us saying okay. Well now I can talk about it because yeah it's great to hear this person. Talk about how. They had mental health problems. The were they were up and you know they were depressed. Or what have you like the Rock? He talks about that. Sometimes you like old rock even has it. Okay cool but then when you look around you and you have your friends and your family. It's still not. It's still not easy to go. Oh yeah have mental health problems like the Roxie. God get over it. You know what I mean like your your immediate people are still not care yet. Law IS GONNA take. It's GonNa take time to understand that having inexperience does not equal this who. I am right if I'm experiencing sadness in this Went that doesn't mean I'm a sad person right. And so we here we here celebrities and most of people talk about it in an attempt to normalize it but what we need to be having a new experience around what it means to perhaps have a moment of sadness Save that it means anything about us. It's it we have experienced in the meaning that we attach to. It is what causes us to suffer right fight. If it didn't work out at work it must mean I'm a failure. It's impossible human. Being cannot be failure only event. Maybe a failure. So UN unpacking that I think some of the reasons why we're seeing a higher rate of suicide among men is that in general. If I may generalize that men have a tendency to quick to very quickly from thought to Action which is a strength but also kids can really be detrimental for example when I work with my mail questions when I take tell him to drink eight glasses of water a day and they come back several weeks later and I asked him. I did that. Female PATIENTS THOUGH. Come back you so negotiate. Why didn't have eight? I had to do with you. Give them a directive. They're pretty good at following throat. I'm so happy you said that because I see that every single day with my program because the program you know I'm giving them the workouts. Giving Them I'm coaching them on things. One of the first things I on the newest drink thirty two ounces of water right off the bat which is a lot in the morning but I'm talking from zero to hero and ninety nine point nine percent of the time they they follow through. It's like man and that's why that's the reason why these guys every single day I go into the group and there's before and after guys isn't ten twenty thirty forty pounds best shape in their life. The reason why is because when they sign up for the program they do it. Why are doing this is do it? And it's like okay okay. I didn't realize if I just did it. And this is what's GonNa Happen. Right but they need. You need a plan right. That's right and when when have a plan in front of them? It's easy for us to just go do it right now. So that's one thing that we want to applaud them for. We want to do it. In a in a supportive fashion there is there's one Masculine dominant masculine norm. That we tend to endorse as a culture is a society and not something that we call self reliance and we actually want to undo that the definition of self reliance is when you rely on your own powers and resources rather than those of others. So it's the mentality of I have to do it myself. I'm not going to ask for help. Nobody else can help me. Only I can help me and I'm on my own. That's your self reliance. I've been there. I've been there a during my journey in my forties with this business. I tried to do it by myself at first and just it although I had some success. Obviously there's way more failures when we do things on your own without reaching out for help and it wasn't until I reached out for help and just said okay from now on. I'm just going to reach out for help. I'm going to ask not. I'm not even going to try to do it. I was Gonna ask them and then do it. Then Calcutta you do this. You've done it before. And then do it like seven seven four seven times ten till my businesses grown up and both both businesses. Because I asked I got the help. The funny thing about people is day to help like a lot of people will think you're burning some burning some a note like what? I'll tell you what people don't like is if you come to them and ask them for help they give you the the whatever they suggest and then you don't do it. That's a little bit different and you keep coming back but if you if you ask me for help. I love when people ask me for help. I'M GONNA give to them and I see them doing it. It's like love it. Come back more help you. I don't think you're weak. Actually think you're strong. We're actually doing what I asked you do. Not It's not a sign of weakness asking for help. It's not as if you don't do it by asking somebody for. You're actually giving them a sense of purpose. Yes exactly so rewarding and then and then both of you in I Y as researched Mental Health and men a little bit more. I wanted to understand where the self reliance comes from again. I'm big on on human evolution and what I found was this. This trait benefited men. She back hundreds of thousands of years ago when we again we were running around in the forest or jungle whatever and if we got separated from our tribe for whatever reason we need to ensure our survival at all costs so we had to build a fire we had to collect water would in food and we had to build a shelter because there was nobody else around but that was not designed for long term life it was for acute situations because when you looked around there was nobody else okay and I say but not doing your son how many of us have do it yourself. Projects on the go. When how do we know when to stop and say you know what this is outside of my wheelhouse? I know I can't figure out this plumbing thing. I can't figure out this. GonNa whatever I'm going to ask for help. Yes okay and so I want. I want your listeners to think of mental health support as just that so if there are things that you're putting into play if you're putting in strategies but you're not getting the traction or the progress if no feeling we're resilient if you're not bouncing back if you're not having fewer episodes of anxiety or depression then it's time to reach out to somebody. It's not a sign of weakness. It doesn't mean that you're not smart resourceful or capable in fact you're showing signs of resourcefulness. I reaching out tonal. And that's a total sign of bravery for sure I mean that's that's one one million one million percent like. I love going and sitting with my with my therapist. I love it. Like he's so just opens the my mind up so much I arm spewing crap out of and he guides the conversation he guides everything and when I leave. I'm like man. I'm some so more intuitive with with what's going on in my brain and what's happening in my life that it's like I don't care I don't. I don't necessarily think have mental health issues. I don't I don't but I keep going no matter what I'm going to go for the rest of my. You know the rest of the two of us being alive together because for me. It's just a great way for me to unpack things. That are inside of me that I cannot that if they fester then it will lead because in the past I did keep a lot of things and it did lead to depression at did leave to drug use a deadly to party and deadly to an unhealthy life and So I needed to to to continue this path right like you know just because it worked doesn't mean I gotTa stop for Me Anyway. Because a lot of people think go working. I'm going to stop because none of it works. Keep going in fact. We're seeing a shift in our beliefs around seeking this kind of help before it was. You must have issues with your working with psychotherapists psychologists or psychiatrists. Now it's no doing it to improve my resilience so I can tackle the things that are being thrown at me and that I can help to maintain a sense of control emits amidst things that I don't have control over or the chaos has left charges. Come over sure even getting rid of of the things like GonNa impact things open up for other things to come in. You know if you want growth you gotta packed all that other stuff the best. You can't see and continue to grow but if you hold all that stuff and you start to hold whatever it is things from when you were a kid when you're growing up. Whatever happened that me. You know spawned the mental health or depression or anxiety. Or what have you unless you start to open open up and start talking to somebody. I'm not saying talk to your friends like listen. You don't have to tell people that I tell people because I don't I don't care right but you don't have to tell people you're going to see somebody you know. A lot of us have support through our work right and again. A lot of people don't want to use that support because they're gonNA think they're Boston's that they're weak and they can't handle things but whatever it takes for you to actually take that first step to say I'm going to go talk somebody. I mean I'm going to get some stuff often. See how I feel after that and tell my guys. No you can't fix the mind with the mind because the mind created the problem to begin with right. You're literally just chasing your own tail so if you created the negative thought will thinking about how to undo that thought you're using the same principles that you use to create that thought to begin with so maybe we need to loop in somebody else who can give a different perspective or or help us have a different experience within a safe and caring environment fate. You WanNA come mental health. What like okay I was Gonna ask how how our hormones have to do with it but You know I understand in through to my research has to do with low testosterone can help you know magnify depression and other things as well. Yes it can I mean one thing that we know about to start thrown is if it if it starts to plummet The that could cause mood issues. It could cause anxiety it could cause a slew of other things what we do know and this is something that. I really want to drive. Home is in the past. We've we've asked ourselves whether anything mental health related was due to nurture or nature nature. Being genetics nurtures the environment within which we we grew up and it turns out that it's a combination of both and in fact the the number one risk factor for the development of Mental Health. Challenges is early life traumatic or adverse effects. Right okay. I'm in so if we in traumatic effects We hear the word trauma. It's it has a fairly heavyweight to it whether it's sexual abuse or physical abuse or the death in the family or bullying. Though in psychology we call those big T- traumas and they definitely played impact on our mental health within their little T. traumas right That affected as little when we're younger children or when adolescent so the constellation of those experiences combined with our physical health combined with. What's going on no in terms of our environment in any a alcohol abuse drug abuse or things like that will select out for mental health challenges. And so we want to be unpacking. All of that to your point to stone was interesting. Some of the research says when we experience early life trauma especially if it if it happens in adolescence when we're hitting puberty remember the bodies of various sophisticated in that it'll allocate resources where they're needed most so during times of survival or when we're experiencing threat the body will divert resources to ensuring that at the expense of producing maximum amount of testosterone. Right okay uptight yes. I didn't know yes. Yes so you know so. That's something that we want to keep in mind when we're seeing when I'm seeing my male patients. Amer to check in their classroom level. Sometimes I will ask you was there. Anything happened earlier on in your life when you're younger in your youth to help explain the perhaps lower testosterone levels and then we work with what we have right and we optimize got rid but definitely is coming down because of poor lifestyle choices and then that low testosterone is shrink in mental health issues. Or you know what came first ultimately doesn't matter what we want to be doing is covering all bassist understand this particular to make health needs. Yeah so Yeah that that's big and with with we need it need to the guy who are listening to this understand that It is super important to to unpack less information. It's to get to start to talk to somebody but there's a lot of guys who are like okay. I'M READY TO TALK TO SOMEBODY. I need to get this out. I'm ready. I'm ready to Kinda like get. Get rid of this. I'm a little I'm a little scared. Have fear which is fine times when you're talking about things that happened in the past things that you know you may have done. Maybe you did something in the past to somebody else or something done to you or maybe you know things through your you run a business or you know. Things are working the way you want them to. There's that fear of you talking about the leading out as a fear of like you said being vulnerable and some of us like myself I I sometimes sometimes I say too much to everybody a chiloe man. That's a little bit you know Because I like to get it out right. Everyone else understand that you know. Hey man it's normal to have all of these things. We're not superman but it is important to to there's guys who are like okay. I'm ready to. I'm ready to see somebody. Who should I see first thing? People think is a psychiatrist right. That's the first thing I see a social social worker therapist for me. It's free. That's who I see. He's a therapist but he's also short social worker. But you know people think psychiatrists nerve really expensive and then psychologists who what. Where do we go next? We're ready to do something. We're ready to talk. Where do we go a great? That's a great question so out of self interest I was going. I'm going to say you know you and I. We recorded that talk about the ten top ten nutrients for men's health from a physical health standpoint in. I encourage your listeners. To listen to that podcast. Please do because it will enhance physical health. And then when you're looking beyond that you WANNA speak to your family healthcare provider I to give you you want to get a proper diagnosis and assessment to determine the severity because the severity of the symptoms. That you experience will determine how that how who you should be working with right so I do the one thing that I want to say regarding antidepressants. If there's a time and place for antidepressants what we do know based on a study. That was conducted several years ago in The Gemma's Journal of the American Medical Association is that antidepressants were found to be no better than Placebo for mild to moderate depression and in fact the greatest impact was for severe depression. So the reason I say this is once you've been diagnosed in. The diagnosis is one of mild to moderate depression. We want to exhaust all avenues before we considered a depressants. Okay and so then the take home message that I wanNa make today because I I love the the following that you have in love the community that you've created online and what I want to encourage your your listeners. To think about is to heal in community. It's it's wonderful to work with other social worker or psychotherapist psychologist or psychiatrist end in conjunction with doing that type of work to find a men's group online in person however big or small because social isolation is the greatest predictor of mental health issues. And what we're seeing more. More is the importance of community for healing. Why applaud you for the for the community that you have created online because there is in in doing? So you're you're you're creating or you're getting your guys to be accountable right. You're giving them instructions. And you're saying I'm expecting to see you here with these results and are are you willing to be committed to that. And they say yes and now they're accountable to somebody and they knew that in matters to to to the community that they show up and I think that that is has such an impact that we have yet to understand in in medicine. But it's it's starting to come out in the research and our wonderful books that are coming out in one of which is a wonderful book called. Community cure that. The Future of medicine is actually community. Thank you first of all. Thank you very much for that. I'm so happy said that because one of the that was one of my underlying motivations motivations to create this community the overall community the private group. Because what I see now in this group and it's amazing I didn't expect it. I what I wanted to see but I didn't know how long that would take is. This is literally a guys. Go on there yes? They post their workouts. Yes they post this Zap a lot of the Times. Hey guys at a really tough week. I need some help. This is what happened in my life like. Don't be long things that they'll talk about injuries. We'll talk about their families like ours. Their son is struggling with drug abuse. And they need help. They'll talk about like it's unbelievable. Yes how much these guys use. This grew more for their mental and their their personal stuff. When you know it's easy Napoles pictures after your workout and post your nutritional. That's easy stuff. But they know that if they post something in the group that's personal. They will get positive feedback. They will get guys who care who personally care for them. It is unbelievable. Guys who haven't been in the group for so long and also they will pop back in like. Hey man she's guys. I've been away for this long. This is the reason you go through. And everyone's like welcome back. We're here for you. No problem like it's like I'm getting goosebumps because now and then how many guys have always. I'm thank God for this group. Thank God that there's I can come here knowing that there's GonNa be no judgment is going to be only we don't. There's no negative or anything in our group. Only positively guys. Who are going to help guys on the same journey locks somehow these exact same problems other people have and if it's unbelievable like it's I. I get goosebumps because it doesn't every day I'm just like I can't believe this is incredible skies to this week and you know I really had a tough time getting the workout. Saying I had a tough time even thinking about working out you know what should I do? Guys will come in no problem that you know like it's it's it's unbelievable like a truly is those all self reliance that I was talking about moments ago reinforces feelings of isolation and long rate right. I'm completely alone in the in my struggles and what we know is loneliness in isolation are key drivers to chronic disease including mental health. And what we're discovering. Is We heal faster. We feel we heal deeper and more easily in a group setting and look. There's no there's a therapist in your roof all all these guys need to save. I'm home through this. And somebody else say you know what man? I'm so sorry you're going through that now. And there's the healing totally. Yeah it's not me check. Oh fuck you got issues like. Let me start giving you solutions. That's that's about it. Tell you funk. I'm having a really hard time and you tell me girl. I'm sorry that been going through that I'm here for you and I have now unloaded and now I'm seeing hope and I and I see support and I've got a new sense newfound sense of like I can. I can do this. Huge huge and that's more powerful than you know without you know you know minimizing the effects of Diet and supplements and all those that is profoundly impactful when you when you have a sense of belonging which is what the tribe is. The tribe is like we have lifetime members because I because I realize that these guys. This is a lifetime. Now we have a whole bunch of lifetime members who are just like. I'm a lifer I'm here. New People coming in every day they help the new people. Like it's unbelievable by like I said it's not even about the the fitness side. It's more of the the mental health stuff that's happening in. There is just like you know whatever I I show you know like. I have other fitness people who infiltrate my group and because they want to see what's going on right now. I WanNa see what's funk doing here that he's getting so much he has this tribe that they can't get with their programs and their memberships or whatever and it's just you know just being allowing these guys to know that they can safely connect with each other. Supportive Care share There wins their losses. And every week there's an accountability thing every week so I make them go in every Sunday. Everybody goes on. They put their accountability the Klan. They could there before and after their pigs. It's unbelievable I'm doin' believable Human connections everything and we can talk about studies. Show that you know. `isolation increases inflammation in the body. It accelerates aging. It reduces longevity. Yes that's that's the that's the science behind it. Human connections with gives us purpose. It gives us meaning if a if you ask me for help. Oh I've got the sense of purpose that now I am here to serve you and it matters to me in vice versa and so community is something that we are seeing explode and so I encourage your listeners to join your tribe and any other local group that they can find whether it's a meet up or some kind of men's group where guys just meet once a week they sit around and they shared And there's some groups where you know when you're just not ready or not ready new citizens islands and you and you listen to other guys. Share stores I'm not the only one experiencing this. I'm not the one experiencing no separation or divorce or ailing parents or financial distress or whatever all in this together totally and when you're inside it's profound yet is and I know that for a fact because when I moved so I've been a social person all my life you know. I played a professional sport. Where played in front of thousands of people I played on team and individual. I've always been that even during my days of partying personally tried to ensure everyone is having a good time. You know I was like I was like that person very social Very positive but then when I started my own business online it became a became an isolated. I wasn't aware of for years like a couple of years. I didn't realize it. Shit Man I'm like you only time. I'm getting out is like maybe to go to the gym. But I'm more focused on my my business so then I just really isolated myself. Yes in my wife and stuff there but there's a lot of isolation when you're by yourself for ten hours twelve hours a day upstairs is doing one thing all by yourself and so I started to. Do you know trained fighters for free. Because I need. I needed that connection with humor. I found that I was much happier when I was traveling when I was outside. And then but because that really that that time when I isolated myself just again I wasn't doing a purpose but it just happened that that's what happened. My mental health was really low. And then that's when I moved back into starting to medicate self medicate with drugs and other things and it wasn't until I realized okay this is. This is huge here. This isolation is causing everything else. You know it's causing my my my abuse. It's causing my my just my depression and my anxiety and just not the connection of actually which. I thrive on it. I thrive on that out. Now go to. I go to meetings I go to. I go to meetings daily I do you know I'm out there all the time. We travel a lot. So you know you can. Actually with people are huge. I I totally understand that and I try to I. I continue to stay. I don't isolate them out there now more but I do understand that. That's so be joining a group. The whole point I'm saying is joining us. Group having this group is a way of even though you're upstairs by yourself you're not isolated because you're online there's a new. There's a new way socially online connected with people and I see all the time you know and I tried to get my group almost every day but I try to you know just if I'm if I'm bored honestly if I'm bored I'm sitting up here and I'm bored and I'm feeling I'll go into my group and do a live and just sake. I have no topic right now. I'm just bored and with you guys anyone on right now come on. Ask Me some questions hang out. Then we'll just hang out for a half hour then we're happy and then we move on like exactly like like I said moments ago you know you cannot. You cannot figure out the mind with the mind right. It is being when you're surrounded with other other humans where you discover and see new truths and realizations about yourself. Because this time they'll have on. This planet is a journey. It's you're you're constantly evolving and in in so in doing so with other humans. It actually enriches your life. Definitely I mean. How many people can you say Have have truthfully said. I've figured it out all on my own successful and I'm happy because I've been alone zero. Nobody said that ever Nelson not a thing. They are on other story owner. But when we're connected to others it just enriches our sense of purpose. Yeah so the whether you think you are suffering from mental health or not you know. The first thing is is start to start to share. Start to start to share with somebody. And what are your doctor first and I call your doctor this is this is what I'm feeling like. These are you know feeling this way. Is there someone I can talk to? Your doctor will do that assessment because I remember that's what I had to go. You should see this person. And he wrote me a thing I went to see that person And again you may not like that person. I may have to bounce around a few people find who you connect with. That sometimes happens. There's ways to do it on line two now but he can talk to people online and therapists online. But you gotta share man like you gotTa have about the one on one and you have to find a group where you can share dots right. Yeah that's huge because that's going to double up in. It's going to help you heal faster. And then of course exercise health is going to be the other three prong. There's the one on one that you need. There's a group that you need. Within your health foods. You eat the nutrition workouts like staying healthy keeping your testosterone levels high as you can watch all three. Three pronged approaches can help in fact in community is when you sh- when you learn about all of those things right. It's true right like how many of us have read a book about about Health Important Health at Tactics and we don't implement the as you throw herself into. A group of people should talk. Your Shit. I gotta get my shit together. I got address. This I got address Address that you start to see that matter and that that that there's value in self care because I belong to something amazing okay so in fact if we don't have this mental holloway or even not so good at what committing exercise good diet or good lifestyle habits and when we when we do it in connection with another human being we get that an impetus to to actually put them into play commit to self-care. And here's here's one thing to just just finish up with whatever you may think okay. Well what are my kid's GonNa think because a lot of men are thinking that I can't let my kids see me being week. I can't let my kids see me doing this. Listen your kids are looking at you. As their role model so first of all being healthy is good mental physically physically doing things to change your health. Change your body. That's number one number two when you are struggling whether it's showing them that. Hey I go to this person and I talked to this person to help me with my struggles because I don't you know I want to show you that. If you're struggling some of the you can you can come talk to me. They want to be able to talk to you. They WANNA be able to unload on you and you just want to sit there and listen. You don't have to give don't give them. Don't don't give them advice because that's the last thing they want to hear from me. But if you're that person you can sit there and listen okay and if they ask you for advice but they just want someone to be able to to talk to but in order for you to be that person you you need to. You need to get those skills and those skills you can gain by you going to talk to somebody for your for. The things are happening in your life that you may WanNa talk about. That's really good but you know again. I go to meetings because you know years ago. I had drug problems alcohol problems so I needed to go to the right place to help me not have those anymore and many years later. I still go to meetings but I told my son that I'd say I go to these meetings. Man This is like that's amazing screwing because he could. He say he sees me struggling and in the negative stuff that that's mainly still to this day years later. Still Forget meetings because he sees that you're willing to help yourself. Yes it's not not for him. It's huge for him like he's just like Oh come to me and ask me all the time. And it's like he's twenty three now but it's just like you don't realize 'cause guys again men specifically father's will think oh. I don't want you know week. I don't WanNa be week. You're not your kids. Seat on their dislike vulnerability. We are two entirely different. Totally got to get the weaknesses. You not doing anything about it. That's the weakness new holding back not doing anything trying to try to mask it. That's the weakness theralac of courage. Yes the strength comes by doing something asking for help taking the steps you know. That's that's what that's what people around you. Your wife may see it in another time and just wanted us. Lastly like divorce and Times who divorced and I know this is something totally different but even through those times even more more important for you to be able to reach out to somebody and unleash that anxiety and stress that's happening through divorces and that's where the I've never had to do it but I'm just saying I know that's a big thing for them. One thing that I just want to mention is the way and there are studies to validate this. But we don't build resilience by someone telling us how to fix a problem. We build resilience by giving ourselves permission to process our feelings and our emotions. So what I mean by. That is When we actually use more words to describe what we're experiencing I'm frustrated. I'm feeling impatient. I feel discouraged. The more words used to describe my experience doing so builds my resilience because become very clear on my experience and in so doing I can actually start to see potential solutions or an acceptance of a situation right and that's could be due to like when you're saying all of those things more words starting to understand the emotions that are tied to the way you're feeling right when that comes up again. Yes I'm Kerry say for example. You know billy comes home from school. And mom asks billy what happened well. Joey pushed off the swing. And I'm just really angry and mom says will how does it make you feel that Joey pushed you off. The swing and billy says a Frustrated and I'm sad that he always picks on me that's different. Because he billy can home feeling and if he hadn't been coaxed to share it would have ended on anger and anger is an emotion. And it's an it's an impulse. It's an initial reaction to something that has happened to the feeling is you've now had a chance to process your emotion and you're now starting to draw conclusions right so what billy's actually feeling is frustrated and sad that he's being picked on at school and that is all billy needs to know that he's heard seen that he has the opportunity to share and little billy shakes off and it goes in place and he's done he's no longer stuck in anger is frost shared that he's frustrated and sad and he's done with that he's done process about and that's what we need with mom necessarily giving a solution he just needed to share that so view saying that is exactly the reason why. I see my my therapist. Because that's exactly how he how he breaks it down for me. He will try to. There's the onion he'll try to kill house then. We'll have to unpack it once I I really. I'm like Oh that's what this is all s about that and I. It's so funny you say this is well because oftentimes when someone purchased one of my programs or they can't access the the phase of they're supposed to be in I will get this rage of an email come through and so what I do is I should've video and guys who are listening who've received these videos they know I will shoot that video and I will say hey man. I see that you're angry because of this. Whatever you know apologize for whatever and then I give them the solution and I let them know that. Hey I'm here for you but I'm here for something happens. Two seconds later getting. Hey Man. I'm so sorry you know it was just. I was just angry over this and I know I overreacted. Like that's usually what the wrong and I'm so happy that you got back to me and it shows that whatever whatever whatever and now they let it go and now they're like okay now. I can do this program because I don't have to worry about the folks and I always tell them if anything like this happens again because I'm sure it may happen just you have my phone number. Give them my phone number. And they'll text me or whatever I want them to know that I don't want be living in this living in fear or anger anger anger. Because that's GONNA put barriers in front of your health. Listen Shit like that happens. I'm here for you. You know I'm here for us. Yes you can be angry at me. One hundred percent. But I'M GONNA come back I'm GonNa let you know that everything's Okay and they usually. It's funny because they'll usually do you just like they'll they'll say rang refers but they were really upset because they wanted to start and they'll be giving the real reason why angry but they're happy that there is someone there that listen and help them and then we'll let it go exactly and now we're both going in the direction we need to go to. He's starting the program the way he wanted to. And I'm okay because I have to go and fix whatever the problem I saw me but I don't care because it helps me make a better programming for them. You know but it's it's it's again the communication And the way you communicate I I I understand it but for US guys get out there and talk to somebody you know the three. Prong you know Glare Dr. Try to find somebody who can speak to one on one getting to over forty. Alpha DOT COM. Get into our program. Which has our private facebook group. Which is the the most credible traffic community on the planet? Like bar? None the best for men for men over forty and number three health health get healthy food nutrition exercise. Sleep everything you can do to boost your Dawson level so that you can. We can mitigate depression. The what have you as much as we can as much as we can. That's right cool all right. We're good okay. Thank you so much good in the best. 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BTS #01: Janna Champagne, RN on Cannabis Safety, Treating Autism, and Overcoming Social Stigma

The Curious About Cannabis Podcast

1:25:41 hr | 11 months ago

BTS #01: Janna Champagne, RN on Cannabis Safety, Treating Autism, and Overcoming Social Stigma

"You're listening to the curious about cannabis. podcast everybody this is Jason Wilson Awesome. Thanks for tuning in to the curious about cannabis podcast once again today. I am joined with a jam. Pain a good friend of mine. Nine and nurse working in the cannabis base. Thanks so much for coming on the PODCAST. Thanks for having me Jason excited yeah totally. So let's kick this off right away with a simple question question. What's a cannabis nurse? Oh great question. You'd be surprised at the at the various responses. I get When I tell people people what I do for a living and yes cannabis nurse and in so what I do is a lot of different roles? the main one that is my bread and butter is working working directly with individual patients to assess their considerations of cannabis therapy and create a targeted care plan to help optimize their canvas their outcomes. It's okay so and From what I'm familiar with with some of your work is A lot of your work with patients is really centered around like integrated medicine like lifestyle management. Next door thing to not just cannabis is out right absolutely in in myself and my nurses that work with me through my nonprofit integrated holistic care. We all take more of a holistic approach so we talked to the patient not only about the cannabis considerations like what are their diagnoses. What are there's symptoms? What are their priorities? But also we get into diet and lifestyle and stress management and those sorts of factors in in so you you know we try to educate. That's our role educate patients on how they might improve their health overall. That's really cool because that's becoming a theme with almost everybody that I've interviewed so far is usually the discussion ends up getting into Thinking about health and wellness from a broader perspective than. We're sort of conventionally trained to think about it I guess It's so common for people to just think about health as well a live the way I want until sick and then take medicine I get better and then I lived away a one again. And I'm hearing this echoed more and more that you know no you've really gotta take a step back and look at your lifestyle and how that's affecting your body and how it all oh works together. So that's that's great to hear that's really really good work. And it seems like the the healthcare industry broadly kind of Seems to be lagging behind. Signed a little bit like they're getting there. They seem to be more and more accepting of that that concept and that idea but it still seems like there's a little little ways to go before for. Its Yes yes. It's actually improving and especially here in Oregon. I mean we're so spoiled flows so freely and in a pretty much anybody that needs it it can access it so we're very fortunate that way But you know it's it's our healthcare system is broken. The Pharmaceutical Paradigm is not curative in any way shape or form with the exception of possibly like antibiotics and surgeries. And things like that but when it comes to the actual medications it's like putting a band aid on something that's infected and the underlying underlying issue is not getting any better once you start explaining to people that the way cannabis works is a different it actually is targeting those underlying imbalances in the body that that are creating illness and creating the symptoms. And so it's a very different approach so a lot of doctors don't understand that a lot you know. I haven't met a physician yet who learned anything medals medical about the system for example. It's not taught even to this day even though you know. We've had legal cannabis in Oregon for what Tonio in California even longer and it blows my mind because you know like Indo can avenue into fits so perfectly into like the ICU annoyed category worry of inflammatory signaling. And all these different things that fit into what doctors are theoretically learning about in medical school and yet this whole lipid signaling system that we called Indo can avoid system is just largely absent. which it's been really disappointing to me too? It's been really hard to find in healthcare professionals. I can talk to any sort of a sophisticated way about can happen white stuff and even a lot of doctors and nurses that I know of that are even working working with patients still are operating from a very very very basic understanding like they've just learned you know that there are CB one on C. B. Two receptors. And they've just you know just started to understand all these pieces so that's one reason why I'm really excited talk to you today. Because you've got so so much experience working with different patients and your it seems like you're part of a network of healthcare professionals that are trying to work with cannabis and patients that are. I'm trying to understand cannabinoid therapies absolutely. It's it's catching on and you know it is difficult. And there's a lot of stigma to overcome. There's a lot of fear to overcome. But you know once you start looking at the facts and realize that cannabis is a vital nutrient that keeps our body in balance. It is actually preventative for a lot of chronic illness and we know that endo can nominate deficiency or lack of cabinets in our body is linked with every chronic illness productive Ethan Russo. Yeah so it's you know when when people start to understand how it works differently only from the pharmaceuticals You know beyond that if somebody is is resistant to the knowledge. I often wonder if you know they have some. They're gaining some benefit from suitable sales or something of that nature because campus is the number one alternative all Pharma. In my opinion I have dozens of patients that have have reduced. Their reliance on pharmacy Nichols Or been able to win completely and of course we prefer physician oversight with that piece. AS Roma's we can't we can't advise about that piece but it is possible in in you know so. I think that's some of the resistance. We're getting from our medical industry. That is so pharmaceutical driven. Will I in. An interview is doing with health and wellness educator. And it's a good friend of Mine Matt Vogel. We ended up talking about how we've noticed that a lot of doctors and nurses is our sort of Exiting the traditional healthcare model to get into working with cannabis. Because they feel like they're finally able to do some of the work that they actually signed up to do in the first place just worked closely with patients and try to understand what's going on try to improve quality of life life and and all that that they were kind of bound for one reason or another Before it's really interesting to watch and it's an interesting sort of commentary On our healthcare system beyond just the legalities now where it's it's so easily accessible here in Oregon. You know someplace. He's like Idaho they don't even allow. CBD In Idaho Radical League quote unquote. You know so. It's you know depending on where they are that can have a lot to do with with concerns around advising a patient to try it or or what it might do for them right. Yeah 'cause I'm originally from Mississippi and there is a CBD law in Mississippi Now From what I hear it's Challenging for people to get into that program but The last time I visited Back home a a spoke with the nurse told me like the dispensaries are starting to get going. But they're being run you know through the hospitals the CBD dispensaries but they are starting to connect with patients. But it's really slow and not really like it should be and not what people expected when they got that law passed. So now they're trying to get signatures to get medical cannabis initiative on the ballot for this year. And they're they're pretty close. That's awesome. I'm excited to see it because I believe just from talking to people In Mississippi I I think that if it does get on the ballot will probably pass. Because there's a lot of support just broadly D- for medical access to cannabis absolutely as long as you're staying here in Oregon. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I wouldn't mind going back to do. Some consulting are helps tell people get some business going. But I think I'll I'll be in Oregon forever. Yeah Oh that's great that's great. Here's so let's talk about Some of the types of patients the types of conditions that you're seeing That people are trying to treat with canvas some of the most common Conditions that you see that people are we'll start with successfully treating and then later I'd like to talk about the things things that seem to be. That doesn't seem to work so well for so we see a variety of patients in its myself a couple of other nurses in my organization and we have a variety radio backgrounds. So this is nice because we can typically understand a patient's situation regardless of what they might be going through For instance my my area of specialty tend to be pediatrics and autism. I have a daughter with autism auto. Immune mental health neuro. That's SORTA my acute care. Nursing background is in those areas I have minors Jen. WHO's on staff and her specialties? Are In college now Grand Gerontology unholiday and hospice and then I have another nurse. It just came on and she's a cardiac nurse and she also has some mental health background well balanced. And we're continuing to try to find more specialties. You know they're still areas like women's health and other areas where we see patients come and we're having to do a lot of research and we don't have the background so we're still. We're still looking for more nurses to kind of fill in. But you know we have a large radio patience for that reason. My largest population is children with autism. Oh I'll be hands down a lot of autoimmune. A lot of You know just inflammatory. Pain Syndromes We've seen I've seen it. Work Beautifully for OPIOID reduction In fact I'm collaborating now with the physician North Carolina who has a pain clinic and trying to help Target his clients and in what might work best for them for CBD only of course. But there's there's just so many things that it can be utilized for and and it was so funny I had a consultation with a retired pharmacist. Assists and you could tell. He was questioning the science and I was sticking to the research. That's good and he was saying I just don't understand how one thing can good for so many different conditions and this is the shift that needs to happen you know pharmacists and doctors are used to pharmaceuticals at. Have you know one or two active ingredients or we have the cannabis plant that has upwards of five hundred if not components that you know of. We're finding more all the the time. And so this explains you know the way that it works to promote balance in the body the underlying cause of every chronic illness is underlying imbalances. So in a general way you can see how it's going to come in and kind of promote wellness overall so it's very different And you know cancer. We've seen in cancer patients that are in stage four on hospice. Not Eating. Of course we encourage patients to please reach out to us before cannabis. This is their last resort. But we have seen some miraculously recovery's from cancer in patients who graduated from hospice on hospice. We you know yeah we typically talk about well. Let's try to promote appetite. So at least you're not starving to death from cancer and the cat check see a piece but you know we always warn you know if if you're really intent on letting go in passing this could extend your life and you know. One of the best cases was lung cancer. Patient in in hospice starving to death took cannabis just eat and six seven years later. He's still alive in Welland cancer-free well so to have those awesome since but once again it's not to encourage people that oh well they can try everything else. First and then Ryan the cannabis because we also know. By research the cannabis improves efficacy of have chemotherapy is protective against the effects of radiation. And against the simple you know the symptoms that we often see a side of chemotherapy but they lose their hunger. They they can't eat they don't have the energy to get well so it just works on so many different levels for people yen. Something that I've talked to some people before four about that challenge. Like how can cannabis treat so many things and something that I point out. Is You know you've got cancer. And and all all these other different things but Sunny things are Related interconnected and the inflammation peace and the immune system I mean because inflammation is A process that the immune system uses to deal with a stressor of some sort or another and and when you look at the at how campus effects inflammation and immune system response that just trickles out into so many things that to me th- that starts to answer that question pretty clearly. It's like when you look at the underlying causes of so many chronic conditions it tends to be the immune system related and in inflammation related in some form or another You know definitely there are things outside of that but that's what relates a lot of things together from from what I've seen absolutely absolutely. It's great for that and you know. In my own case. The reason I became a cannabis nurse was my own health failure back in twenty twelve and it was immune and related and I was very very sick and nonfunctional and on disability it was a critical care nurse. Doing Cute Care Twelve hours a day working graduate program. Graham homeschooling my daughter with autism. I mean there were some other factors stress involved but you know I turned to cannabis as as an alternative turning to opioid pain medications after totalling my car and it knowing as a nurse. You've seen these long term. OPIOID patients go through in their gut stops working and they have tubes everywhere and they're either awakens screaming pain or completely sedated out and nothing in between you know that's not anything anyone would would wish for so but in addition to to managing my pain. The campus actually started to rebuild my immune system. And now oh I'm healthy fairly healthy and functional. Anyway I mean it was not national bed bound for a long time. People don't understand how sick I was. I mean it was twenty pounds lighter than I am now yea chronic renal failure and just all my systems were were not handling the stress very well. Definitely something I wouldn't I wouldn't guess by looking at you the most serious. Yeah Yeah and then and then went on to help my daughter with autism a couple years later she wanted autism puberty crisis high level behaviors behaviors in as a home schooling. Mom Out of home placement was not something I ever would have considered but it was almost mandated because of safety issues and cannabis spared her that so now I actually have a plan in the next year. She's seventeen now in working on On a model of cannabis care homes for autism here in Oregon. Wow that's I'm just talked to it to my specialists yesterday about it and we're moving forward so exciting that's going to be. We'll have to do a follow up once you get over the next year or two and kind of follow. How that goes? That'd be really interesting. That'll be an interesting case study. Oh Yeah Can do better with the same funding. We can do so much better. Yeah you mind. Speaking a bit about how cannabis helped your daughter And how it what you tend to see in in other autistic children as well that that seemed to be getting relief. I think that's something that is You know people hear about the cancer. He's an inflammation all that but I don't think the autism piece people broadly hear about very much. Yeah you know. It's definitely catching on. The autism community of parents is fairly close-knit if somebody goes on a website or a blog and says something nothing works. You can see sales of bike. I mean everybody is desperate for answers because mainstream medicine is really failing. These kids are falling through the cracks. They're throwing throwing you know unresearched pharmaceuticals for mental health at these kids. Shotgun approach at the wall. See what sticks. And then we don't know what the long term effects. So those are you know even the the side effects we know of like the the extra pyramidal symptoms are just devastating and can be permanent. Even if you stop the medication these symptoms can go on with ticks. Send out of problems so there's really no good answers and So from the research I've done with autism nurse with a child of autism I see it as a multi systemic disorder in this part of the mainstream falling apart trained to take care of it because they don't look at how the systems are interconnected and with autism is neurological. It's and it's immune system and how those systems interact with one another and so if you're not looking at how one goes askew what happens to the other other. You really miss a lot of opportunity to target those underlying balance. Yeah and FARMACEUTICA AREN'T GONNA do it. Start where cannabis has the potential to be neuro protective balanced neurotransmitters. That are out of place. decrease the brain inflammation that we see a hallmark of autism and high glutamate levels for example simple. It has its immune modulating so that child's immune system is efficient is gonNA help improve it. If it's overreacting auto immune is going to help you know kind of bring bring it down a notch or two and then gut. I mean it's great for Gut Healing and Gut inflammation so it's really kind of targeting those core areas of autism. That need it As far as protocols you know we we take an individual approach. Every child with autism is different even if they're similar they're different and so I tend to look at. What are those child's needs and there's really no? Oh this is what you do for. Its water the symptoms. What are the targets? What are the parents priority? You know if if that family is in crisis racist and that child is beating everybody up and self interest and destroying their home. They don't WanNa hear about. Oh yeah well this. This might help balance their system they want to know. What can I give my child in that hard moment? It will stop those behaviors in his track. Yeah so sometimes that answers. THC even though we're really cautious in always balancing the risk and benefit of using teach children because research supports that it can cause no developmental issues. So it's always about targeting thing you know what we see is a major issue and which component is best for that is going to differ on that child situation based on where the family is located based the galaxies. And there's just so many factors that come into play. Yeah well it's good to hear you say that because floating around on the internet or so many simplified explanations nations of you know how to use cannabis therapeutically and You know these sort of diy miles of Oh you just take you know x amount Of this you know chemical profile or or worse than that just saying strain name. Just find the strain name and that drives me crazy because I'm like well. There's so many layers of why that's bad but I mean with with medicine broadly it is so much of an individualized thing and You know the the piece about. THC is interesting. You know it's like well you know. Okay Yeah there are some risks with administering thc. I see however you know it's about the situation. And how critical is that situation. And what are the risks if you don't right And what's you know what's going to happen Weighing those options. I've run into that concept other scenarios You know Friends that are resistant to two different types of medical treatments. And it's like well. What's your situation and was going to happen if you if you don't you may not like it but you know it's about quality of life and you know all these different pieces well and a lot of parents want to keep their children in home and if they're at crisis levels you know their kid is making a lot of noise and neighbors are calling the cops? EPS involved. I mean. There's all kinds of curveballs can happen in that scenario. So I if you can manage behaviors get that family out of crisis. Then then they can kind of take a breath take a step back as looking at other things. They might do to help their child because they don't want to hear about diet and they don't want to hear about Innocent these other alternatives for for autism. They WANNA know. What can I do right now to call now my child and get out of this crisis and that's not the time to teach about things like genetic assessment? And how you you know you can delve a little deeper for into that. And and target some of the contributors. So it's just about meeting the patient's where they're at and really the general protocols are so I mean like the Rick Simpson oil protocol call for cancer. Don't ever do that anybody. Please call a medical professional taking five hundred milligrams a day of THC. If you're on immunotherapy could stop up the activity of the immunotherapy. Cancel it out. So there are considerations in everybody's individual's situation you know what what medications are they taking out symptoms are they targeting General recommendations around autism and CBD and for some kids see BDO's great other kids CBD's really horrific and we'll actually actually increase behaviors will. Yeah I mean you can't just randomly show you know. Follow it. Somebody types online right and what works for one person won't necessarily work for someone else. A lot of the research around epilepsy and CD as well as THC as soon that you know yeah about a third of patients It works really well L. and in about another third or so doesn't seem to do much for another thirty exacerbates the problem. And you know trying to understand that it's with cannabis. It's just like anything else. It's not a cure all and everyone's different absolutely every situation's unique Which segues into what I think does not get talked talked about enough which is Through your experience. What does cannabis tend to not work so well for and then to piggyback on that I'd also talk about interactions with medications and that sort of thing. Yeah so so cannabis can definitely interact with meds That's one of the big areas we assess patients in fact we we have a list of criteria on our website under the Faq that it kind of guides patients through a questionnaire You know do you have a cardiac condition. Do you have cancer cancer. You have diabetes for child or adolescent. Do you want to individualize approach things like that Where they should seek medical oversight of service service therapy and pharmaceutical interactions are probably the big one that could potentially cause harm and I know that is such an unpopular message? But I've seen some close calls. I've I've seen some near misses. And I'm telling you. In a perfect storm scenario somebody could get harmed and then the reputation of cannabis as a safe medication goes out the window right right so we're trying to prevent that we're also trying to you know. Of course we want to protect patients as well You know I had an eighty something year. Old Woman with chronic pain in Michigan and she went into a dispensary which she called the Health Clinic. She thought she was doing medical advice. And you know for chronic pain never used cannabis who's taking the toper law which interacts with. THC In a way that can cause somebody to think they're having a heart attack and they end up in the ER. Yeah this bed. Tender sold her a three hundred milligram. THC Candy Bar but don't worry told her to only eat half. My Gosh fifty million was high for days and God she happened to space it away from her medications or that could have been a real problem. So you know these. And that's just you know a medication interaction but then you have other interactions with chemotherapies where it's where combined a CD can expedite liver failure So I mean there's definitely reasons to seek medical oversight You know when when those conditions are are present and so what would be your advice to someone that does not have access to healthcare professional that understands cannabis very very well or cannabinoid treatments What would be your recommendation to them on how they should talk to their healthcare professional Especially in the context of CBD because that today is going to be probably more prevalent Than anything since The CD markets just exploding the rates were oversights recites kind of weird and CBD has the most interactions with pharmacy liver warfare and you combine it with CBD. It's going to increase the efficacy of the war friend. And you can see where internal bleeding could be peja side effect so You know so. We serve patients all over the world. We have patients in every state of the US internationally so we're always available to help patients that they have questions We have a lot of information on the website and we work with a lot of doctors. Offers You know if doctors questions we want them involved we want them. We want them asking an outreach to doctors and other nurses is a big part of what we've begun doing And and I am a founding member of canvas versus network and we do a lot of nursing education and continuing education units And so this is how we're going to reach more patients. Cents is by teaching the medical professionals. Yeah because they tell you as one nurse the need is so profound. It's more than any one person can do this. So we were really trying to bring together together these groups of like-minded nurses and medical professionals. That are willing to be warriors for this plant and really stand up against the stigma and educate and hedging kate. Yeah it's so well that's yeah that's why I'm doing this podcast. It's like trying to get these critical conversations going and I I really emphasized the word critical. Because you know my my intention is to try to talk to people that understand Some of the nuance behind all this stuff and that it's not straightforward. It's not a cure. All these considerations in however understanding those considerations Sion's canvas can be very safe for most people and most scenarios and And Can Be a a tool for for people to try and I try to say you know. Everything is a tool in the tool chest in canvas is another tool as well for some people. It's a very powerful tool. I'm for other people not so much and you know and that's fine. That's just the way it is. Yeah and so this is why you know we. We had the questionnaire so we can guide patients might benefit if it from console but we also have a patient handbook for those patients that say no all those self questionnaire inquiries and with the handbook they can pretty much get through on their own and manage and learn the general information that we normally teach during a consultation and so we really try to reach the patient regardless of whether they're going to come and do a full consultation Sean. Our goal is to educate and you know we educate freely as much as we can. We do a lot of a lot of presentations and we speak at conferences. Just getting the word it out in and sometimes just planting that seed in. Oh I don't know I find that that. Even the most cloth people tend to come around once they see see the benefit of cannabis in themselves or a loved one and then it's like Whoa. Hey there's something to this. And then they start researching and they see wow. It doesn't really belong on schedule when it meets the criteria right on their back in the eighty s we had A. Da Judge say cannabis should be removed from schedule. Here we are thirty years later. You know they fire that judge overturned it immediately. Oh and then. They went and applied for the government patent for cannabis as medicine six three zero five zero seven. So there's just so so much hypocrisy in in so much obvious. Focus on choosing prophet over patients and medical professionals. We take doc oaths saying we will do what's best for the patients. We will teach the patients you know how to weigh the benefit or the risk of intervention and nine times out of ten cannabis's that answer sir. Well yeah and it's so the hippocratic oath. That's an interesting thing to bring up because From what I'm learning It's like a lot of healthcare. Professionals have their hands tied behind their backs. Because of things like insurance companies you know different agreements with Pharmaceutical suitable companies ethics boards all sorts of different things that seem to be stripping the autonomy away from healthcare professionals and like. Oh well even if I think think that cannabis might be a good tool to try. I can't take the risk of presenting that to my patient because you know then and am I lose my license or no I might not You know a lot of healthcare professionals are basically leasing space at hospitals and different hospitals. Move around like well. That hospital might not let me work there anymore. There's all these different pieces that are motivating healthcare professionals to kind of clam up and keep working within within the system as is and You know I don't i. Don't blame them for being extremely Cautious Justin Conservative However yes you know? It's the education piece is critical and that hippocratic oath You you know. I think that's the biggest piece of like we need to look at things that are keeping healthcare professionals from upholding the oath they took to to Take care of people because if something's getting in the way of that and that's huge huge problem it is and it's fear it's fear is the biggest hurdle to cannabis. Fear of the stigma. Fear of the propaganda. Baganda the reefer madness that everybody was subjected to back in the fifties. When realistically if you look at the history it campus was this used as our medicine Cultures around the world for thousands of years safely Augusta life span from infancy to end of life everything in between for dozens of in in in our Pharmacopoeia for up until the forties I think it was forty two That issue when it was finally taken out After an slingers business in the thirties. And that's something that a lot of people don't realize like old school. Pharmacies sold cannabis tinctures it but in and and various preparations of cannabis and it was called cannabis. It wasn't called marijuana right Yeah marijuana is the term that was meant to increase the stigma against mexican-americans Mary Anwar. Yeah Yeah and it's you know. There's there's debate now in the industry. I I try to stay away from the term marijuana altogether there's some people fighting to reclaim the term. And they want to do that. That's fine but to me and even the term hemp. I don't like the term hemp either. It's like this is all one plant. Just talk about what it is it's cannabis in their. THC Rich versions CD rich versions and different growth forms and You know it's it's a highly Variable plant which is really really cool. It's really interesting. It's just amazing. How many things it produces and you know when you look at nineteen thirty seven to when when they took cannabis basically off of the market by texting the heck out of it the AMA was against it? Yeah they were dead. Set against it in a lot of physicians didn't know what was happening because they called it. The Marijuana Marijuana Tax Act cameras physicians found out after the fact. And they're like what the heck did they just do like. This is bad so I mean historically are our physicians knew how important it was and they. They were fooled they were. They were lied to and they were. Yeah they what's I can't can't think that near term. They were punked. Yeah they were yeah they were and now there's been such a generational gap from People that were alive and when all all happened that now very few people understand What actually happened when that change occurred and they just assume that like oh cannabis cannabis has been a you know a drug that You know has been a problem for a long time and We've got to be careful about cannabis this abuse. And of course you know you do have to be careful about the abuse of anything including food You know And that's the something in in some of these interviews. I tried to get into harm reduction pieces to which in maybe that's something we can talk about so One one piece. Let's have pretend scenario. Someone has decided to try cannabis they're using THC rich version and they get uncomfortably high. What can they do? Oh Gosh so many things and one of the easiest things. Hopefully if they have cannabis products have got some high. I see be something or other on hand and CBC Will Actually Counter Act that intoxicating effect of THC They can chew black pepper. Corns or some products on the market One called Undo that actually it cleans wife In so I mean there's there's lots of different things we can do But basically we try to teach patients how to start slowly. Increase slowly approach conservatively. So that they don't get into a scenario where they overdose and you know we also teach it overdose. Maybe very uncomfortable and I've experienced it myself. First time making edibles had this my appoint one space over instead of ten they were one hundred milligrams for rounding my husband eight three of them as high as I one one and vomiting and vertigo and calling into bed hoping I would wake up the next morning. Of course I did So well it can be really unpleasant. It's not it's not something getting that is like the opiates were. If you overdose on pain medications that'll stop. Your breathing. Cannabis is a lot safer that way but we try to teach patients how to avoid that scenario to begin with. Yeah Yeah Yeah that's The I think it's called The start low and go slow. Yeah absolutely the and you know. With things like cancer we have patients working up to fairly intensive dosing sometimes several hundred milligrams a day of cabinets. But usually if you titrate slowly we you know they. They can manage that intoxicating piece and let their body build up tolerance over time and really. Avoid a lot of that pleasantness and then I mean what like with autism I have kids managing onto milligrams a day and kids that require two hundred milligrams a day and everything in between and very rarely do the parents report and toxication because these kids are such a severe deficiency is just filling in that hole was they don't they don't even get enough to to get that intoxicating getting affect. That's actually really interesting to hear. Because that's something I've Experienced personally people I know That can use. THC Rich Cannabis. It seemed to experience no PUNK sign of Behavioral Change Really. Yeah they're just they kind of maintained being what most people called normal Whereas other people super sensitive and smallest amount and they're hyper paranoid And and really can't function It's it's just an interesting piece to recognize that there are some people that cannabis just effects very differently than others absolutely and it goes back to genetics Connecticut. And that's another area. I specialize in This it's not exactly cannabis related but you can actually look at somebody's genetic profile In in kind of determine which components cannabis might be optimal which ones might be problematic In the only hard known contraindications into THC is a genetic mutation. Called AK T. one in its associated with schizophrenia And it's theorized that if somebody with AK T.. One homeless mutation takes too much. THC actually trigger schizophrenia. Or trigger psychotic bringing so you know there's always you're always wanting to look at. What does that patient need? Need and And you know the the just the potential of using genetics and nutrigenomics to guide cannabis. Therapy is so exciting to me toes. Yeah yeah yeah the genetic testing stuff in general I know it still has a ways to go as far as technology and everything but You know that is the future of medicine is being able to narrow in on potential best treatments from the get go without having to Bombard somebody with all sorts of different drugs to find out what works my personal experience when I was when I was a teenager. I had several Different accidents where I hurt my spine. I crack my tailbone I've got bulging three different bulging disks and then I've I've actually got cysts along my spinal cord to so a lot of Back pain spinal pain nerve pain in general and When I was in my early early twenties seeing a doctor about it and They put me through some pretty intense drug trials to try to find something that would work and it it was traumatic. I went through Using off label antidepressants. Try to treat it. Steroids muscle relaxers in all sorts of different things. And just going through those trials of like spending a couple of weeks taking drug trying to see if it works tie trading off going on something nothing else you know. There were two or three months of my life where I felt like my body and mind were just twist hidden Because it was like I was getting beaten up especially with the steroids. That was really rough. They'll milteer internal organs with long term. Use Yeah well and it's one of the things. Why am I even trying this if I can't take it long term right you know and it's like well known that you can't take steroids chronically? Although some people do I I have friends and family that for certain immunological conditions are taking steroids. Chronically can't assist the better option. Yeah for in Balances Balances Immune System without destroying tissue in creating a dependency for other things to counteract the side effects. But yeah that was empathy now for other people that go through similar drug trolls and any tool technology. Genetic testing that can help Narrow down some of that And avoid people having to go through. That would be great. I have a really good friend of mine That was diagnosed schizophrenia. Also win through all sorts of drug trials experienced one of the side effects experienced. One of the medications is a tick won't won't go away. It's permanent And you know he's not taking the drug anymore It didn't work well enough. He had to come off of it but he stuck with a side. Neurological side effect radically forever and potentially amino acids pollution. I've seen that reverse extra pyramidal symptoms that were thought to be permanent ongoing ten years so there are some options. That's good international listened to call me. Give him my number right. Yeah but now they have the gene site testing that they're using to to specifically look at mental health medications. But all it's really assessing is like some of the neurotransmitter pathways and how that medication metabolites looking looking at the different liberal pathways and trying to use that to pinpoint which medication might be best. And you know I have a case. Study this local here Boy with autism and schizophrenia. Both through a pretty severe crisis recently and they they exhausted that list of potentially helpful medications for him and we did his genetics and we got him on some supplementation and we got him on. CBD WHICH CB is perfectly fine to take with schizophrenia is just that THC that were careful about. And he's doing better now than he was on any of the mets ever well. He's got quality of life families out of crisis. He's able to enjoy his his siblings and in has he's got a little a little baby niece so mean is it's just amazing. The difference in the approach can make the little things that a lot of people take for granted and being able to just enjoy being present with your loved ones assume that there are a lot of people around us every day. That don't have that luxury. Three are always fighting crisis. And it's the patient stories that that keeping going. I mean there's a lot of gray area being a nurse in the industry and even in those patient education and were careful to cite research for everything we teach on. There's a lot of nurses that are too afraid to do this work and I'm one of I only know about a dozen dozen of us that are actually doing clinical application of cannabis therapy. There's a lot of nurses that know the theory and they know the Endo contaminate system science but when it comes to learning the considerations nations and learning what to ask patients in different scenarios. We don't have a program to teach well and there's so much to that's undocumented as given some of the limitations of research of just what patient outcomes are absolutely and so having that firsthand experience is you know the only way you're gonNA learn some of that nuance of how people are. We're GONNA likely respond to treatment and that lets you know things to look out for warning. Signs that may come up during treatments dance and what to teach the patient to watch for now the patients on hypertension medications and they WANNA try. CBD for pain. We still teach. Watch your blood pressure. Take it every day. If it's low you know don't take one or the other and documented fear physician and start talking about. I'm taking bliss and it's lowering my blood pressure. Can we start doing off the Pharma. Yeah so I mean we do a lot of that that this is possible and we really try to come up with all the possibilities ability scary as they might be We try to teach like you know some people that take. THC with Melatonin. End Up with hallucinations but there are products on the market that combine. THC The H.. Melatonin every will but we still teach that so the patient you know. They're not surprised by it. Yeah a paper just came out recently. I don't know if you saw it. But MELATONIN was founding cannabis. Oh I didn't know this actually makes Melatonin I wonder what level though I know. I'm sure it's like the higher doses a militant or something. Oh I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure it's low dose but it was just fascinated me. I was like okay. Yeah you know I wonder what you know. Plants using Melatonin for Melatonin works in certain crosses over some of the mechanism of action with CBD. They both increased Serotonin so I mean those parts of it are okay and I have don't even have a theory on why. THC MELATONIN causes loose nations. But it seems it seems prevalent and autism really sponsors of course most parents with autism raising melatonin. Because it's protective of rain. Yeah well I know just from personal experience. Melatonin can trigger some pretty wicked lucid dreams. Yeah for sure A very very vivid vivid dreams that can you really really intense so maybe there and then THC disrupts rim uh-huh so that battle. Yeah I know maybe figured it out. Oh to be on the fly on the wall but you know it's it's interesting. There's gotta be something going on in that that tug of war and Yeah it's there's there's so many tug of wars happening when you consume cannabis Ernie sort of medicinal plant with raw wrong FIDO chemistry. It's it's hard to really figure out exactly what's going on. I had a really good conversation with Dr Kevin Spelman recently I'm about this and he was talking about how You know really. When it comes to cannabis research? We need to focus on patient outcomes and stop worrying so much about mechanisms Because you have to understand mechanisms for sure but if you get too caught up in the allure of understanding exactly what's going on before being willing to try something then you're potentially limiting yourself permanently because some of these interactions are so complex we will not understand them Within our lifetime's in any you know really sophisticated way. That's going to allow us to predict. You know really you know perfectly what's going to happen you know. Given even whatever scenario someone tries something. Yeah and how many pharmaceuticals do we have that we use and we know the outcomes what we have no clue how they work right. You know the mechanism of action. I heard that over and over in my pharmacology classes. So that makes sense You Know I. I don't know maybe a little more optimistic but I I I agree three with you. Were very much in our infancy in this industry in our knowledge of the plant we've been stunted thanks. To almost a century of prohibition and you know what I tell people if anybody proclaims everything back away slowly you contact and say goodbye because that person's going to be obsolete very quickly because we're learning earning more every day. Oh Yeah Yeah just our concept of what. The system is is changing rapidly. As far as the different types of receptors that were considering part part of the system it's way beyond CB wanted to now you've got the ventilators after yeah unnamed g-protein colder interceptors. That just have numbers associated with them. Eighteen thirty five and fifty. Five all these different ones you've got a PPA or gamma receptors denizen receptors even serotonin in receptors or finding that A lot of receptors appear alongside cabinet receptors in their influencing each other You know right next to each other. In these cell walls serotonin is a great example A lot of time you'll find serotonin receptors and CB one receptors right next to each other. Learn so it's just getting more and more complex but it is just highlighting Just how intimate the Indo cabinet system is woven into our physiology. It it's connected to everything and knowing the genetic piece in the canal annoyed pathway genetics. It crosses over the neurotransmitters across over the vitamin E. Pathway in the DC math pathway the immune system it got pathways to pathway way. I mean those are all linked with the system in once again. This is where we're failing in. Mainstream medicine is not looking at the body. As a whole we're looking he added is if you have a neurological problem the neurologist little neuro by the problem you go to the gastroenterologist and they wanna stay in their Gi box all just wants to stay in his immunology box. Everything's connected people and we need to start looking at how those connections impact overall health and that's one will finally beyond to some more curative approaches. Yeah our healthcare system. Yeah I Something I've got into before but it's you know thinking about the The human body as as a system in ecosystem a network of ecosystems really And and you know my my original background in science is biology ecology and It's all translated so well into pharmacology because of Mardi primed to think about like okay. There's sort of this fragile nature of systems. You know you've got this ecosystem and then when you folks on a piece Lisa that there's another system that's part of that more systems and if you tweak things here or there you're gonNA have unintended consequences on other things you've got cascading effects that happen and It's very clear that the the human body is the same way and going back to something you mentioned about autism link between Mental Health got health the immune systems. You know that's coming up There's been some. New Research has come about schizophrenia. That shown the exact same thing that The GUT is influencing seeing. You know the Mental Health Brain inflammation and yeah and through Immune System Responses and inflammation and all that and that is this the cycle and system. That's happening and if you're just trying to treat the Neurological peace and you're not treating the gut health piece inflammation peace and all these other than you're still bill. You're fighting kind of a not necessarily losing battle but a very very difficult battle to win if you're not you know taking those other pieces into account it. There's actually a diet. It's called Gut and psychology syndrome or gaps diet That has shown some great promise. Actually reversing symptoms of schizophrenia. It's a French and bipolar borderline. Some of the big ones Just by healing the gut by changing the Diet by cleaning it up. I mean it's all connected and I've even heard things like Gut Syndrome means leaky blood brain barrier so they're very closely connected. I think there's a too closely connected systems in the body. Honest best in and of course seventy to eighty percent immune system resides in the connection. And just that little piece it just ignore it most of the time but you know and I think most autism begins in the gut. Yeah so begins with got impact. Yeah well it'll be interesting to see see how Science progresses in that regard because autism is one of those things that it's sort of going through such an overhaul on how it's characterized absolutely And bipolar is also like that a lot of things FIBROMYALGIA another good example spectrums spectrums of. Yeah exactly they are Spectra and They're not a single thing And we have to be careful when we talk about Medical conditions that we recognize that. Actually when we're using a single phrase to describe a condition we're actually talking about like a whole host of Whole spectrum of different Symptom presentations and states of being an individualized approach is so important. And you know children with autism. I see some. I'm that are on the higher functioning and they have social anxiety You know maybe some other difficulties with. Add ADHD Will that approach is going to be probably. CBD focused versus a child that is in full on crisis in their self interest and they're biting themselves are smashing themselves in the head and having to wear a helmet Or you know destroying the home you know. Or they can't go out of their home because of their sensory defensiveness in Russia's too much noise too many crowd. Yeah Yeah so meltdown. So when we're looking for that sensory deafening when we're looking for for that piece. THC tends to work better You know self injury injury. I translate that to mean pain. This child is in pain. And they're you know my daughter used to knuckle herself in the sternum Till she bruised bruised and the sternum is a nurse is where we would rub. Rub a patient if they were unconscious to see if they were responsive to pain. It's very interested in area. And she would do that till does she bruised. And I thought Gosh why. Why would somebody do that? And then here we are with the answer endorphins there after their own body to release endorphins. which is the natural pain relief? So I in that that is hold true for so many of my clients. You know we get them on a good painful Shin with some thc a and some thc see and the self interest behaviors recede. Yeah so you know it's really the approaches very individualized learning to read that language. That's a really interesting thing piece to bring up of. You know you have to figure out what's being communicated that can be communicated directly and in most of the kids was self interest behaviors Are nonverbal limited verbal. They can't express their needs. It can tell you what's happening In knowing most kids with autism have brain inflammation. Can you imagine. The headaches. Having kids are knuckling themselves in the head trying to get something to happen to change found videos on youtube if you look up. Deserter is art ler family. They have a daughter with autism C. P. and they're in Texas and they've been using THC inhaled and a vapor machine for her and it's the only thing that will stop her beating herself in the head and And you see the videos you see her beating yourself up and they give her a puff off the vape and then she's calm and happy. She's in her chair. And it's all good so it just amazing what it can do for these kids and these families. Yeah that's intense. It is every parent of a severe child with autism has PTSD in my opinion no benefits. You know for sure you know. These are traumatic experiences for everyone involved and anybody that cares about that child you know and even for people with different conditions. That can verbalize what they're feeling you know as humans. Sometimes we're just not very good at knowing what we actually want or need or you know. Even with myself there are times. I'll feel certain way and you know My wife will ask me what's going on. I don't know I I just know I feel this way and I'm too caught up in home feeling to even think about why or what and So it's brings up the an important piece of like mindfulness awfulness of trying to Take step back and try to observe and listen and interpret Try to make some sense of what's what's what's going on. I think that sometimes that For families that are caught up in trying to take care of somebody that needs a lot of help that it's also Urgent don't and overwhelming that it's really really hard to Be Able to find that that place of distance to try to evaluate what it might be really going on what someone might really need even just just having an infant I go through that on a regular basis of like Gosh like why are you upset. Behavior is communication. Remember crying a change your diaper. Punish him to understand. Yeah I WANNA make you happy three in the morning it's not so easy or so Coming back to cannabis based on your experiences variances. What would you say are some of the top misconceptions that people have about cannabis or can have annoys or the system? Whatever direction you want to go with that? What are some of the things you come across frequently? Just breaking this stigma you know unveiling the sigma so profound especially in certain generations. Like the baby boomers Are One that are so resistant. Because that reefer madness mentality. They were told it was. It would make you do evil. Things were told it meant. You're a bad person and you would be. He sexually promiscuous in the age of squares. I mean it was. It was like the worst possible thing they could tell those generation and You know thankfully I m seeing a lot of baby boomers call me. Yeah and even that first step of saying okay. I'm not sure this is what I wanNA pursue I just want more information formations just that openness And don't get me wrong. There's definitely my family included. There are baby boomers that are still jill debt against it. They won't look at the research they don't WanNa hear that outcomes You know in my case cannabis say I credited with saving my life and it spread my daughter out of home placement and my family still rejected our use of it and of course my dad was a minister. Turn prison guards. That might have something to do with it but You know so most of the time when they see a positive benefit is when they finally start to go. Wow there might be something to this and then you start teaching the facts and you start showing them the links links of you know the hypocrisy. That's behind the cannabis prohibition and how in my opinion it's it's strictly in the interest of sparing the pharmaceutical prophets. It's not in the best interest of patients. And so I know that cannabis has the capacity to revolutionize our healthcare system. But in order to do that we need. We need solid education. We need people to. We need to start teaching medical schools for one we need definitions star because sometimes we have patients go to the physician the physicians like. Oh I can't do that. That's not going to help you to say we'll try it if you want but don't talk to me about it you know. Yeah so I think that's where it starts is making it. An acceptable option for patients them understand that risk versus benefit when you're looking looking at the pharmaceutical options or the more invasive options even versus the cannabis and why not try it moves to the time. It's an acceptable option. Well yeah that's that's a piece that I ended up bringing up. A lot is Shouldn't the safety profile have value. You know when considering the the treatment absolutely and so often cannabis ends up being sort of a at least these days. I think it will change but It's so often. A last resort option for a lot of people when you know to me. That's the super interesting because it's You know granted there are contrary indications there are limitations. There are things to be aware of to reduce harm and and maximize safety however it for for most people is a very safe option Compared to some of the potential outcomes from other therapies absent And so the idea that it's a last resort just seems out of place it's like. Shouldn't it be tried out earlier And if it doesn't work then go to something more extreme rather other than than the opposite. That's what we agree to on our medical oaths that we take out patient care is that we will teach them the most conservative approach and we will teach them. I'm to weigh the risk versus Ben. Do the least harm. So they can make an informed decision about their own care and have that patient autonomy and that's largely been stripped away. Well yeah in something of brought up in a previous interview but something drives me crazy as direct consumer drug advertising and the patients are going to see a doctor saying I saw the AD ad on TV. I want to take this drug and and then the doctor is can have you know has to kind of go into this tug of war with a patient who has already. He decided he wouldn't drug they WANNA take And and then there are a variety of other factors to that that end up influencing that that whole Interaction between the doctor in the In the patient. But that's something that really bugs me and you know there's only a couple of countries he's in the world that allow that direct consumer advertising of drugs and Talking about earlier. We're talking about Dr Autonomy me and now you're talking about patient autonomy If we want to try to improve the health care system rapidly which I think it does need to happen rapidly rapidly. I think it's happening but it's happening very very slowly but we need to focus on how. How do we enhance a healthcare professional channel autonomy and patient autonomy and Patient compliance with different therapies. Not Bailing on something Too quickly or denying possible treatment options based on stigma and that's very everything that's where education can help all of those areas. Yeah Dr Education Patient Ajaj Stigma Education. you know in another big a problem with the pharmaceutical commercials. Is You know. They're they're running on these these media outlets that also gives us our news Yeah Yeah Yeah and so you know. We see a lot of instances where something bid will happen with the pharmaceutical company. And you know a a medication is is black boxed and and when you look a little deeper into that You see the pharmaceutical companies are paying for the research. And if they don't get the research outcomes they want the repeat it until they do right right and they may have done ten studies and you had a nominal benefit in the rest had these really detrimental effects but they'll pick that one out to run it through FDA hoping to get their profit before its blackbox and in the interim people are getting killed and a lot of that's not being covered by mainstream media because they don't want to jeopardize is there advertising. Riots that are coming in from those commercials. So it's just a rampant issue until people start really standing happen saying I'm going to boycott this channel because they have pharmaceutical commercials. It's not up to change. No it's not and it's a shame that it's not getting attention because there is a movement among scientists intas To get this data exposed numb. Oh Gosh I can't remember where it was but there are some company that made a really cool It was almost like could game that you could play online. That illustrated this concept. And I'm going to have to dig it up and do a follow up to the people find part two totally forgotten forgotten about it but now I'm remembering. Oh yeah several years ago. I found this website where you could go through this little sort of interactive exercise. Where you're doing trials for some condition Bishen and you see the outcomes and you're you know you're narrowing your patient population that's going to trials and you're excluding data until eventually you get to that data that works and gets you approval and everything and it just highlights just how serious That problem is inside. This isn't just just a game. This is what happens You know this is well known among scientists and it's a battle that Some scientists that I know that work in You know private even industry. It's an ethical battle. They have because Ah Scientists will get a job and accompanying companies like okay. I WANNA do clinical trials right on whatever and then they get wrapped up into This system where they want to do good scientific work but then the companies like will know no. We want to exclude people that have these conditions exclude people to have this exclusive will have that basically creating a sample population that does not represent the broad patient population large large And then doing multiple studies trying to find the day of the work so shred that data. Keep this data whatever it it really eats away at a lot of scientists. Eventually they're just kind of like well. This is just the game I have to play to have a job to live And so I I understand that piece to the it's not straightforward because while these scientists are trying to live and trying to make a living and I think think some people have perceptions that scientists must be superwealthy and top of the food chain and saying no. That's not the case. It's extremely hard to find ways to do research to find money to be able to do the type of work that we would like to do And so the consequences of end up working for private companies have their own interests and isn't lucy objectively. You lose integrity and not a lot of people understand stand what parameter to look for to determine if research outcomes being sold to them valid. Yeah so they don't catch those little details right. I mean it's extremely difficult if if it's even possible to understand whether there's quote unquote dark data behind a clinical trial and to balance. This out to you know just because research is funded by a private company. It doesn't I mean it's bad research. No but certainly yeah. It's it's just you who you got to be critical about. Everything boils down to don't have have patients best interest in mind that yeah exactly the prophets in mind on their shareholders such an entanglement between the pharmaceutical companies and our politicians agency that they're protected. Yeah they're protected they're allowed to run amok and do things it or not in the best interest of patients and they have health care. I have a big problem with that. Yeah yeah as a human. I have a big problem with right. Yeah exactly yeah well. So getting adding onto this concept of research. And everything and looping it back around to cannabis What would you like to see? Something I ask every guest Would you like to see. From the future of cannabis. Research can avoid research. 'cause it's picking up steam a lot. If it's there's a lot of momentum behind canvas research now especially really with the farm bill passing now I think a lot of people haven't realized is while some people had a conception that the farm bill was going to legalize. CBD In his in quite do that What it did do is made it? Wherever University in the country now can touch cannabis and can start to do research? And I've I've been working and communicating with a couple of different universities that are starting to try to launch Pilot research programs with cannabis through Through him and So I mean we're about to see a tidal wave of research Santa Coming in. It's really exciting. So so what do you hope to see From the future of all about human trials with earth only chance for so much from my spouse to humans. So that's a big one. You know ensuring that that that the formulations of cannabis being used in this research is really optimal medicinally. I mean we see a lot of A lot of research on on isolated components and we know they work very differently. And you know of course. One of the big teaching items that I cover with my patients is how to find Medical Cook Grade Cannabis and what we find. Is You know the whole plant is what you want especially for something like cancer. You know you want that entourage effect. You want that synergy between all those components in the wisdom of nature when we start isolating it and fragmenting it and I liked the term bastardising. The plant You you know we see bell curves and response where it works for Awhile and then as you increase those stops working completely We you know we have some comparative studies that that support support that whole plant is just as effective at twenty to twenty five percent of the dose of isolate only about cost savings for patients. Well in so really we need more whole plant research into that. You know that's a big project that's near and dear to my heart as well as figuring out how can we promote that or at least be comparing you you know the isolates with the whole plant so we can compare the outcomes and I think that's GonNa be really important for ensuring that patients really understand the difference between these formulations and you know we're co two and isolates and things of that nature might be great for symptom management. I've got a headache. I'm GONNA take a hit off my vape pen. It's great quick relief leaf. It's not going to give you that underlying balance that we're after with some of these sick patients and if a patient calling me they're pretty sick. Yeah I I don't get patients calling me because they WANNA get intoxicated. They can usually handle that on. These are patients that are that law oftentimes cannabis as kind of their last resort in their last ditch effort to try to recover their health. In in those situations. You know like patient with cancer should not be taking co two or isolate. They should be taking plant. You know they want that underlying underlying balance. They want as much strength as they can get from that formulation. So you know and all I've done in this industry is follow the need and that's a need that I I saw right and my patient outcomes with different products and started researching There's an article that the sun rises our criteria that we used a vet suppliers. We don't benefit from the sales of any product but we vet suppliers to determine who will refer our patients to and it's flow. It's it's flour derived lab tested organic whole plant plan. He'd be surprised how hard it is defined suppliers that criteria co two. There's a lot of fancy marketing. There's a lot of fear extractions distractions and how alcohol is bad for you you know. They're they're basically lying and not explaining that they purged the alcohol. Anything I'll extractions. So they are are safe. There's no ethan all left. Ideally you know in lab testing would show if there was so I mean it's you know it's it's it's it's a big need in it. Came came from patients calling me and sometimes they spent thousands of dollars on product that they got from a friend of a friend that you're listening tested. They don't know how it was made in you. I know it can be toxic. It could make their situation worse so we hate having to say you might have wasted your money. 'cause we can't condone the use of that product. Right yeah well and even with with ethanol extracts or let me say alcohol extracts because there are some people that are making extracts with ISOPROPYL alcohol in some people that are using food grade ethanol and other forms like that and so yes those nuances. It's important for consumers to understand that all these extracts are different. I'm I'm working on making some youtube videos right now about this issue In about the term full spectrum and how I would love to see that term just like AAC disappear completely because I just. It's just a marketing term. That's been used every way a company can figure out how to use it. Yes and And you know yeah consumers just really have to focus on like ideally can see the test results. Can I see what can avenues are. Actually in this In the extract. That's in this product. I see results about. Turpin is and I wish there were easier ways to get data about other compounds in cannabis this you know but right. Now that's where we're at every Kavanagh's interpreting about the only data. You're really be able to consistently get but it's very deceptive. Full spectrum makes you think that that broad spectrum of those five hundred therapeutic flower in this formulation when realistically it's oftentimes and Islip plus a few Turpin turn back insert or distilling compounds versus upwards of five hundred possible which one is really full spectrum right. Yeah not the one with a dozen. And that's what they're calling and when you you see these products on a shelf and you just see full spectrum there's no description because in typical herbalism You list the plant that you extracted and you list. What parts of the plant were extracted and I had end? oftentimes you'll also list the In some generic terminology terminology. What type of extraction was done and that at least allows a consumer to say? Oh for instance if as a canvas product that was labeled correctly. Oh this was a cannabis. Extract made from ethanol. Oh and they use The use flowers and leaves and roots. And all these different pieces or oh you know they use the flower or whatever right And to have a better understanding of the differences but right now all these products look the same and and they're not And that's that's a big concern. I have just especially with CBD Yeah because it's in every state basically. There's some states cracking down on it. That are starting to Go around and confiscates. DVD products Some of them should be confiscated. Some of them should not be on the show for sale. They all not all products are created equal. Yeah and there there is some good role the FDA does serve sometimes with Trying to ensure are you know that manufacturing operations meet some basic minimum industry standards and so many of these CD products certain far far far from bare minimum quality standards. Yeah we're we're. We're very careful folded teach patients if it says industrial hemp question it raw-material they have raw material. That's hemp stocks out of Scher notable. That could be full of radiation. We're not testing right. So it's just like you know that. have been rounded mills mass. I mean yeah you want. The Flower derived the hours. Where all the good stuff is made? That's what we want in our medicine. Yeah Yeah for sure and Before we wrap happenings up one thing I wanted to talk about before and forgot until right now and this is bringing it back to the surface. CIA different types of cannabis products When you're working with patients what are the what are the different methods of administration That you commonly see What tends to work better for different scenarios? Because you know you mentioned taking hit. A vape pen might help some pain or headache or something. But I imagine when you're working with patients with much the deeper issues probably getting into Things like edibles tinctures and other administration methods sub. Lingual you comment on that yet. And my favorite especially for patients just starting out. You know often brand new to cannabis. You've never tried it before The sibling wolves are great the textures. Because you can literally count the drop in know. How many milligrams you're taking it's easy to exactly titrate You know some of our patients that have higher dosage needs will graduate to to Rick Simpson oil or or Fico we call it full extra cannabis oil which is it? It's super concentrated in. It's almost a tar like consistency. Making it very difficult to dose and like the Rick Simpson Protocol says take a green screen. Say all kinds of different types of rice and whom I short grain rice. It's pregnant about half. The amount is long reign rise this swollen piece of rice and water right as a nurse. Accurate dosing so. It's going to go with tinctures. We tend to start off with sibling. Goals with the goal of getting a patient on baseline support protocol. Whether taking it two or three times a day. Either subliminally or you know if they don't like the taste or longer effect of the liver metabolism they can put it in a capsule and swallow it In so it just depends on the situation situation in Helens or great for quick onset You know my daughter her. Her behaviors are stabilized in manageable. On the exception still probably being. Pms Week is still Kinda duck and cover and And so we've learned. Of course we know her her little signs lines. She's starting to ramp up tour of behavior. which you know. These days is portal behaviors. Maybe ten minutes were back in twenty thirteen twenty fourteen. Oh Gosh sometimes. She'd go on for two or three hours and literally rage until she was exhausted into pass out. So you notice the difference. It's not perfect and say it's perfect but so you know when she starting to ramp up she'll actually ask for her Straw. which is her code word for vape pen? That's how he taught her to use it like a strong. She asked for his job. We go running for it because we know that's at ten seconds. It's going to calm her immediately. And hopefully you know she'll do a win eighty and never hit that full tilt behavioral where she's out of control and needing meantime out and kicking the doors in the walls and all that so You know it just depends on the situation it really does You know we tend not to do a lot of edibles. Apple's not initially anyway just because it's so easy to take too much and then you're stuck with it for sixty eight hours on average sometimes longer depending on. Yeah that person's genetics and metabolism pathways So we we tend to not go there. Topical great are great especially for. Are you know quick relief of pain. I have a pain topical. Use a lot but Those are the main ones we ethan. All Food Grade Ethanol extractions I sup- purple. Alcohol makes me a little nervous especially with these big producers. You know they're not testing every batch and if there's some ice oh left in there it could make a patient really sick. Yeah intend to to not opt for anything that could be a risk factor when possible. Well in you know from my perspective do work with companies trying to help them get sure however long. Yeah wrap it up after this. We're almost done with companies that. Oh yeah okay. Yeah so for me. We work with a lot of companies trying to get them. GNP compliant and to prepare for FDA compliance piece of that is trying to make sure all of your Component ingredients are food safe and while there is some room for using you ingredients. That aren't if you're going to purge them out have them removed and prove that and everything thing. It's just a better situation altogether too. Just use food grade ethanol ice and an ICE APPROPR- alcohol. I have concerns in general having seen a variety of Product manufacturing facilities have very big concerns about worker safety In how they're making these huge batches as of extracts and being exposed to fumes whether from ethanol or ISOPROPYL alcohol but the isopropyl alcohol piece bothers me A little bit more and I don't know if that's because my own ignorance I generally don't know a lot about The safety of ISOPROPYL alcohol and those sort of industrial applications. I've used it. You know in the lab to do the analytical extraction before where exposed to very little amounts of it But I I just genuinely don't know what the the risks are being exposed to large quantities of it. Yeah I I mean ethanol in its way as toxic as well but at least it's food grade you know it's not going to poison somebody like ISOPROPYL appropriate will. Yeah Yeah and then your body can deal with it a little more easily absolutely absolutely so in a lot of people that do the Food Grade Ethan all extractions and maybe I so so too. They're using a distiller. So reclaiming the spent alcohol cleaning it out It's just an amazing process. I don't I'm sure you've seen it but you no you soak the plant matter in food alcohol and then you strain it out in. Alcohol is green and then when it comes back out of the distiller it's clear again again and it's stronger and you can use it on the next batch though it's cost saving too. Yeah Yeah exactly. There are some little at home. Ethan extractors that have good seals on them and it's reducing zing people blowing up their garages that I've seen here recently. From from my experience it seems like the stories of of people yeah causing explosions in their homes from Ethanol extractions or B. H. O. N. P. Detain Propane Hash Oil and everything seems to be going down. The hopefully. That's people are getting a little smarter about that and hopefully people just don't need to do it at home like they have access to stuff that can figure that out at least in some states. Yes so another good tecoma. Come on that piece if somebody here's our. So Rick Simpson Oil. You want to ask. What is that solvent? Because he recommends things like Acetone is in the hall and Napa the things that are very toxic and especially if a patient's trying to do it themselves you know that's that's high risk very high risk. So you know. I've I've used great alcohol forever. In recently I even upgraded to organic one ninety proof alcohol Just to get away from that. GMO substrate of of ever clear And so I mean I think as we learn better we better is kind of the take home. They're careful. Yeah that's the overriding message of our conversation. More education at better behavior things get better overall. So well you've been super generous with your time. I think we've well we've gone almost an hour and a half. That's that's great We we could talk all day. I'm sure we'll sit down again and talk more. I definitely want to hear more about a variety of different things that you're working on I want to catch back up and see how it's going and what you've learned so anyway thanks so much for coming on the podcast and in talking and I WanNa give you a moment Just to let people that are listening. No well first of all know that this interview will probably come out a couple of months a few months after we're recording it That being said if you want to share with listeners ways that they can Learn about some of the things talked about finding that handbook. The nurses approved program. That sort of stuff that you're doing if you WANNA sure Just let them know how to find you. And that's where things. Yeah so I'm I'm online at integrated greeted holistic. CARE DOT COM That's the nonprofit where we offer consultations and there's there's blogs and articles on there a couple of that ever referenced today the one on the flow criteria and making sure your cannabis's optimal medical quality There's you know my daughter story which is here. It it featured on the front cover of a nation magazine a couple of years ago. That I kind of my coming out of the cannabis caused moment So there's a lot in there about autism and CBD for Autism and why that could be problematic for some kids. I'm also founder of the canvas. I approve program. It's a very new business. Just just launched an April But this is you know this is is our project to try to highlight medical quality producers. that are that are meeting those slow criteria so that we can refer patients in good in good faith and know that you know. It's it's really an optimal company in medicine for them As far as getting in contact through either websites also be just got confirmed as a speaker at the cannabis cannabis science conference coming up in Portland. September I don't know if this will air by then but That's another another potential time to connective. If you're there come by and say hi hi great so yeah awesome. Well that sounds Sounds wonderful have to check all that out so yeah thank. Thank you all for listening to this conversation. I'm sure we'll have a more very soon If you want to find more information about the curious about canvas podcast You can check out the PODCAST DOT COM and there'll be some extra content there. I want to get Some of the resources I've talked about on this podcast. PODCAST and off the podcast. I WANNA get some links on the the podcast website to refer people to some of that and As always you can connect with curious about cannabis on Instagram facebook or twitter on instagram. 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39: Curious About Cannabis

Oregon Rooted: The Dirt Show

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39: Curious About Cannabis

"Welcome to oregon rooted i'm higher peaks nisus lady sativa you're listening to the dirt show where we bring you organs cannabis culture <music> fast look to the dirk show i'm higher peaks in this lady sativa and i wanted to start this episode out just by saying thanks to a couple people and we don't say thanks very often do we know that really no but we have some just a hand distracted yeah and we do have a handful of listeners that <hes> have followed a since the beginning pretty much and you know that are <unk> active on her profiles so i just want to shut out to jonathan clark he's been active mostly over everybody else on our facebook so we appreciate it buddy and i just want to say thanks he also tried to buy a shirt the other day oh yeah that was the one that tried passionate and we had to get some kinks figured out what was funny as we've been working on the store and i'm working on it still in you'll notice that there's a tab out now and it's a shop you can go there and it's kids open but for some reason <hes> posted on facebook and what it wanted to do jonathan being the great guy is been listening and watching i decided you know you you want an order shirt with we appreciate that buddy could they could still so jonathan had seen that we hid or that had posted and which i didn't know about and so being the great guy that he is he was gonna go order shirt which we appreciate and it was just aired out and so it was a cart issue and it's it's since fixed we'll have one product and really you can only order white or no excuse me gray or really i guess white right because of the arm organ arm but you can check it out and if you want to order one of those colors that'd be great one of the two would you have black and blue up i think you know he can't see the black letter so anyway you know live and us learn so anyway we're working on it i'm gonna keep adding stuff you know ladies steve is going to be designing stuff i'm sure and add some stuff and she's our 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they call them besides glass blower i don't i don't know glass glass i don't know what the real nice term is because these guys are next level i mean this it's like a edged you can see it on our i g organ rooted cy it's it's <hes> hand at hand etched it's an etched glass with a viking compass norse compass north compass and it's got the basically the explanation the nation or the short story of the nor the north compass witches if you wear it <hes> basically the where the pendant is will always know the way and is always protected yes even if you know we'll always find your way even if you don't know the way yes all right so it's pretty cool i appreciate that so i have a viking background instead i was sweet and thank you on the bail is our organ rooted argon rooted symbol and yes on the bail it does have our logo which is the first thing that we've had that has our logo on it <hes> even over t shirts or any that hats or anything which we should have had a long time ago but that'll be the first thing that has our logo and just glass ass glass pandy canada's culture organ artists i mean that's awesome local oregon artists right local for our area but just this guy's legit check out his g. because the stuff is high end like hundreds of dollars dollars thousands of dollars like these things are and you can see the craftsmanship in there yeah oh yeah so definitely puts the passion into like his work is amazing and meaning you talked about it being able to put our logo on a pendant <hes> and we couldn't really come up with something that we really liked <hes> after thrown some ideas and then this was perfect absolutely perfect but we didn't talk about etching so no way check it out on my july honestly i had it in my whole time but you know so thanks classmates highly sativa that is awesome prized possession so real quick before we go into the c._b._d. a._b._d. our grow it's doing good l. yeah she got back there today so she's got a real because but a lot of time on the backyard this weekend got everything looking a lot better a lot more under control but the plants themselves are doing really good dark green you know just everything came together this year we have great nutrients going with the grow science organics although every ladies sativa on tv is not like the smell of rotten fish hold on i makes but she does weight but she does like the smell of cured fine cannabis i don't like the smell upon scum so when water sits there for a long time with stuff in it and it gets nasty i don't like that smell i did not mind the freaking insurance oh and then just the straight fish smell on your glove that you had that shit was nasty anyway kudos to gross kudos to grow science for such a quality product actually there kelt is killing our plans are so dark green and healthy i mean and we've had serious serious frigging bug issues oh yeah and they still look fricking phenomenal we've been through this still leaf and working oncoming leak we've been through the leaf minors we've been through the frigging caterpillars that weight i go on vacation we happy happy mother's day we've been through you know just whatever and they're just blowing up beautiful <hes> of course we've been on top at this year too though like way on top of it i've been loop anum damn near every day the let's get down you know if you actually i recommend that you do that that you loop your plants a lot he gets no your plans better intimately also to <hes> you know you get to see things that you normally wouldn't see they may or may not i want to see right i was intentionally aluminum for because i was sexing we we've been sexing him over time but sometimes they don't like to show very quickly and i noticed just real small amount might and so immediately that night sprayed for him and you know now i'm looking at the plants again with the loop and you can just see the dead suckers on they're not not that many but is i oh man glad we're on top of it but it's just disgusting disgusting i gotta say this block sucks when it comes to stuff like that last year every person that we knew that was growing had an issue with some sort of bugs or mites and it just moves through ooh the neighborhood so we we don't have the advantage of having any kind of buffer zone between backyard dockyards fence lines in our backyard is fairly large but it's not you know offense is not enough to keep any bad habits abbott's away from you from whoever doesn't take care of anything in their yard while and when it comes to around here the air is really thick is a good way to explain it because of how much pollen and how much crap is flying around stuff attach is easy easy to what flies around chur shirt and a lot of stuff is airborne so you know and granted the leaf miners we brought in on the clone with the wedding cake but you know again actually you know for the people if you ever get leaf minors they leave these little trails ells on your leaves they're just little light brown trails they're just they don't really hurt the plant so much they will damage a lot of leaves that when we put it out front yeah yeah clone <hes> what we brought out by i it had been out front out okay let me be clear about that not we didn't bring in because it is a clone we brought it in i got it and it just is a clone so it came in on the clone yeah it came in to our seedlings basically i i put it out early to get some sun and too hard non ever and yeah you gotta be careful you know the bugs are hanging out early in the year <hes> you know you'd think we'll because chile or cold still and getting damn near freezing at night that nothing's going that'd be out all bullshit right you know things are waiting just wait inferred some hometown buffet so <hes> but yeah you know i don't think it's regionally there's going to be passed but i think you can localize localized that right down to your little area and sometimes when you get a pest like you'd pointed out it just lingers <hes> you know you get russet mites and and a couple acre area and you get a decent infestation in his seems like they just hang around yep okay so with that said i mean we're doing real well got that fungus that the rust that's a fungus by i don't know if we talked much about that but we did get the rust never had that before i'm wondering if you know you'll see as you grow over over the years if you stick with it that different plans will iraq to different pests some will be resistance won't we had the g._m._c. that like to collect p._m. like it was going out of style she wanted them she just had p._m. <hes> to to begin with to end with a yeast infection she had a bad he had a really bad east infection did not go with so we had to put her down here akwa ten years ago badge backwash things you crudeness men on t._m._z. decided to call it vaginal backwash instead and fetching discharge sir those got to be the most unprofessional term oh that was so bad i'd smack him okay anyways that goes on the list of all time favorites though yeah yeah okay so back to the fact energy s._c. had had i'mma start calling p._m. that's great yeah i am to my god so but i guess i lost i was saying plants have different things that affect them and i think that that three strains or not the three restraints but the plants that did get them were of one strain and it got rust and that russ spread just on that one strain a call me crazy it could be coincidence maybe it's not just that strain but oddly enough my feeling is is that that strain is unfortunately <hes> what do you call it just susceptible to rust well actually kind of anything because it didn't those plants basically get a little freaking everything on those plants alone and everything else looks amazing those plants that are all the strength of the same strain or having issues right so watch out for that when you're growing different strains some are going to get things i think where others won't someone we resist that things that others aren't <hes> even from growing from seed and so although i still firmly believe in still firmly see a lot that seat is still stronger than than clones might but like i said we are having our healthiest plants is here and i attribute that to the gross oh science and the dirt man that good earth organics guy a mix legit never go back again <hes> we've had zero bugs come from the dirt which i'll today when you buy cheap dirt that's going to happen yeah first of all you're not going to have anything inside that they're going to do any good for you it's going to hold the plant up right that's good that's it and you're gonna have a lot of bark in there and you're gonna get bugs you're going to get bugs dogs in the dirt from the dirt sentence and we've had that happened several times and then you get really high end dirt it's almost like you have two ways you can you can go less expensive on your soil this is aside from living soil by the way so if you have living soil oh that's great your cycling that it's just harder on smaller grows especially indoor to run living so but if a replacing your soil every year or the starting and you're getting soil <hes> you can do two things you can buy less expensive soil and put it all in your nutrients or or you can get a really really good soil what's going to benefit you in a lot of different ways and not have to put all your money in in the nutrients you playing right in the soil so we've had to go real light on her nutrients because we have such good guy that guy soil and plants respond to a better you know when you're throwing in conventional lines or salty lines this synthetic lines <hes> yeah they respond to quick but they just don't seem to respond in such a lush greenway like they look really good don't they pretty awesome so but you could so an even cheaper or less that's expensive you can go really good soil upfront which is expensive don't get me wrong but this is an upfront you know front end thing put it all in dirt and then light nutrients or none because you can just top dress if you're careful outdoors and big pots ought to see the top dress or directly in the ground it's even easier to top dress <hes> you don't run into some of the problems you would with she's inside but that's even cheaper dry amendments and i still do that i'll run might the you know and i just just lightly they do dry amendments and that kind of gives you a buffer dark was that great great white that's the micalizzi i use that for trans is that what you were using tonight or inoculated the nutrient the t._m._a. today but <hes> gnaws using it's a <hes> so it was a leftover bag of elevation organics that i had that's what it is yeah i still have i still have some drive leftovers so i just been top dressing with those and so yeah it's working really good so that's an option which is really less expensive to <hes> net net i like using my liquid nudes and my dries as well but he likes making me smell his liquid new equal well it sounds like a dirty pickup line you wanna smell my liquid newt baby was nothing better than rotten fish and cow shit hubba hubba yeah but other than that that's it so this episode is about c._b._d. everything c._d. actually we sit down with jason wilson curious about cannabis is what he's doing analii known as jason wilson getting jason has wrote a book first edition working on his second edition asian yeah and he's out obviously has a website explains all this and it's very educationally based podcast that he's going to be putting out as well as <hes> the <hes> material the written material that he's putting out is all educational based very smart gentleman is you know we sat down with him several times <hes> i really wanted to get this out <hes> to people <hes> i know we've like i said we've really been sitting alvin quite a quite a bit but but i really wanna bring this education and the c._b._d. has been a real big deal lately in fact we just had an article come out couple to three days ago at the end of last week caused a bunch of controversy in in our cannabis world yes it did it became a topic on friday to and what happened is forbes put out an article that said that basically said that there was new evidence a new study that found that c._b._d. can be talked to deliver and unusual will mass media you know what you'd expect from them they made it sound like that you know cd was bad for you and it was talking to your liver period with very little explanation some say c._d. will kill you yeah and so in response to that i put out me and jason both will jason okay let me say this right jason put out through curious about cannabis the study that the referring to and the details which really explains it better in depth and gives you better understanding thing because like i said it caused a bunch of c._d. bashing and although we need to be careful because we don't have a lot of studies yet we need to be careful with how we approach using cannabis and c._b._d.'s and stuff at the same time i think just like any medicine listen there's also going to be the differences medicine and empoisoned is dosage and just because you can take in shit ton of t._h._c. and not overdose or be bad does not mean that applies to anything else and so we're seeing now that c._b._d. does have a toxic level bill which is really what that study says again you can go to our jeanne check it out studies right there it's an ungodly amount that we could not be able to consume and daily you know every single day we wouldn't have that availability do but we do but but you'd have to be intentionally taking a superior and we were talking about what's the isolate to that they were pertaining to in that this study was with isolate okay why slits also a lot different than say c._b._d. for our or c._b._d. our s._e._o. or c._b._d. tincture synergistically it's going to act different especially in your system and that was the other part of it is that yes with t._h._c. is actually safer to have c._b._d. in your system they're seeing anyway the bottom line is that if you take c._b._s. it's pure peer forms in high amounts over time it can be toxic and like i said this is like fifteen let me read it from i have pulled up here and i just wanna to make sure people are clear again you can go to our geeta see it but basically <hes> you're talking fifteen milligrams of c._b._d. per kilogram of body body weight can let's say so a person of one hundred thirty seven pounds that sixty two kilograms so times that by fifteen milligrams and he come up with nine hundred thirty milligrams of c._b._d. that's where it starts to be toxic so you can have up to fifteen is iceland yes and you can have up to up to fifteen hundred milligrams on a two hundred pound person so at a two hundred pound person pretty average guy i guess <hes> fifteen hundred milligrams every day that's a lot and then take that further i say like me i've hit up to two hundred fifty pounds so that's even more that's like two thousand milligrams a day before you're ever really into the toxic levels that take time to be toxic so bottom line is just be aware that yes it is talks a bit who the hell is going obt water can be can kill you can kill you too much food can kill you anything can kill you at a certain level so when it comes down to it it's like is it really toxic for are you or you guys just reaching for something to make it bad that's in iceland of course iceland is worse than actual c._b._d. we don't really allow isolate to come through the store we do not light isolate because that could be the poisoning maybe that what's giving the frigging mouse liver diseases because of the poisoning of the isolate so when we're talking about everything c._b._d. we talk about other things to like the fact that f._d._a. yea it's not regulated and it's just anything can be on the shelf and they early by an any health food store you can buy all i just saw that you could buy at a <hes> grow shop in and out today by c._b._d. gums down at thrifty here just know where it comes from because it is grown well so this is the thing so you don't probably want an ice lit all these things are talked about so we'll let we'll let that interview handle that but the bottom line is be safe about it i would recommend if a dispensary that you can get to has c._b._d. products i would go through a dispensary for one they're going to be tested in to even be able to talk to your bud tender and find out all wearing tell us about where it comes from who sourced it you can even find out who who has tested by because it will say on the product yeah and all these people that have to bring stuff through dispensaries have what they call c._o._a.'s and their certificates of analysis in that proves that this product is safe this this this that and that's all on file so those things are available when you go through dispensary and you've got to say if it is sold through dispensary jump on that because not many places do sell stuff like that because we don't even sell anything with zero c._b._d. air with zero t._h._c. in it at all there's is not one tincture or so that has zero t._h._c. and right now because the fact that we cannot like no company is bringing it to us none of them none of them abroad zero t._h._c. none of them brought us even hemp c._b._d. because the fact that you have to be fully licensed just like every other person is on our shelf right and there's some question about if it's as beneficial when it's separate from other tabloids and or t._h._c. so you know ah again everybody's on their own journey pick the safest best journey for yourself i would not recommend buying it from minute markets or anything like that there is no like i said there's no standardized there's no testing none of that there's a better option i would choose it until then i would seek out products from a dispensary even if they have teach seen him gives lowest t._a._c._b. ratio that you can get or not ratio amounts you can get an instinct to your ratios at that point until we know more <hes> you know and like i said this this interview goes into much more depth about all different angles about this this is really if you wanna know about c._b._d. and all the best practices involved and how to stay safe chimp onto earth c._b._d. train yeah definitely here here's a fact fact based interview that will give you some good information <hes> we'll leave it at that here it is with curious about cannabis and all about c._d.'s all right jason welcome back to the show buddy hey hey thanks for having me i'm stoked to finally back after all this time yeah quite a few years that we a couple years at least that we've haven't been able to talk we we put out that one episode recently that we had talked with with anthony yeah yeah that that was real fun to kayla go back and listen to after all this time that was some good information i had to release it because of that it was just good information that you guys brought back that time had a lot of good emails come in from that to as well to hear that was it was cool but let's catch up with you what's going on would would spin jason's world yeah well <hes> sort of like like you for a while i was on a little bit of a hiatus recently had a daughter so that's been exciting and congratulations thank you yeah so that's <hes> sort of changed the way i've needed to spend my time and that's where thing but <hes> over the past year and a half or so <hes> i've been doing work with primarily c._b._d. companies lately still we'll doing science and education work but in a different vein than what i was doing before last time we talked i was doing a lot of work with canvas testing <hes> and lately i've been trying to help companies that are trying to enter the <hes> hempen c._b._d. spaces <hes> with <hes> product-development technology development helping them get quality systems built up <hes> g._n._p. compliance is really big deal now in terms of the farm bill passing and companies need to get ready for sort of this regulated c._b. the industry so i'm helping <hes> some companies with that and <hes> trying trying to carve out bandwith to do a lot more education again <hes> last time we talked to you now is doing <hes> regular seminars workshops and hadn't been able to do that for while just been too busy but now we're trying to get all that going again because that's you know along with the science research and quality management stuff really educations might wanna core passion so trying to find ways to to do that and <hes> get back out there in the community and have some critical conversations about cannabis is really good you were really active in that when you were over at the view yeah and i i loved it it was <hes> one of my favorite things as to bring people together and have these discussions <hes> not just about cannabis but about health and wellness and <hes> you know biology ecology all these things in and try to come to some good understandings <hes> about these things things and into critically especially about cannabis when there's so much <hes> lower and hype around the plant and and everything just trying to talk to knowledgeable folks and try to come up with good questions that's always one of my goals as stephen who can't find good answers at least we can probably come up with some good questions <hes> to try to chase for the future and try to understand what people are interested in how to connect people with good information and <hes> i just love doing all that so yeah i am i'm working on <hes> the second edition of my book curious about cannabis 'em excited about that <hes> coming out of the testing world and being involved in <hes> the science of the production space kind of his expanded <hes> some of my understanding of what <hes> folks in the space are wrestling with <hes> and how <hes> like analytical testing effects <hes> producers i've got a much better understanding of that it's been really interesting listing both sides of that now <hes> <hes> and <hes> yeah so i'm rewriting the book trying to get the second edition out early next year and working on my own podcast as weld curious about cannabis podcast that's a really cool i was really excited to hear about that because i think it's a great platform for what you're doing well yeah my my hope i'm definitely going to get you on their <hes> you know my hope is that will be a first yeah you're on the other side yeah you know my i hope is to create this platform to sit down with folks to have these critical conversations explorer <hes> different aspects <hes> different perspectives around cannabis science can have annoyed science and that's one thing and try to produce <hes> if anyone out there is ever heard the podcast science verses which is a podcast i like a lot to science education podcast <hes> sort of for the broader public <hes> my podcast will be sort of similar in style to that where each episode will be centered around a core question or idea about cannabis and it will bring in pieces of these conversations that i'm having <hes> to try to work through those questions and <hes> and then the sorta be a side-stream of the full interviews that people will be able to access as well so in a way it sort of two podcasts <hes> the interviews but then also the actual produced educational content <hes> so it's very a new for me i'm nervous about it you know being a host and having to put myself out there <hes> i'm sort of a shy socially anxious person socially anxious scientists so we'll see how it goes but i'm trying to get over all that and just dive into the deep end and get some stuff out there <hes> my goal is fall of this year to have that at least the first season now that podcast ready and <hes> let's see what the feedback is and and go from their experience and expertise well well if any of our listeners will they know for sure that <hes> you know the the knowledge that you brought since the beginning has been you know really good and it's in depth and it's how i say this it's it's like next level information information you know it's right on the edge of what we're just kind of learning so that's appreciate you bring up definitely checking out that podcast yeah yeah i'm getting the website now so it's technically technically live but you can go to podcast gas dot com and i'm hoping to get a preview episode up within the next few weeks wonder if give people a little taste of <hes> what it'll be like and yeah hopefully put out some little pieces of content from now till the fall to give people some things to chew on before it comes out great great right we're excited to hear that now what we wanted to talk and we'll talk about that at the end a little bit <hes> what we want to talk about today and i'm really curious to talk to you about is c._b._d. and zebdeen in today's climate today's market today's environment like cannabis <hes> t._h._c. <hes> it's taken off and it's kind of got several facets to it now yeah it's a c._d. industries become huge really huge <hes> in a big part of that is the passage of the farm bill this year which i'm basically created a regulatory structure to federally legalize him as long as states have him programs that follow these basic guidelines lines the farm bill laid out and part of the farm bills language that really got people excited is it didn't just legalize him but him products in it specifically listed <hes> cabin wade's and isomers of popular and this whole laundry list of chemical constituents that would be found in cannabis and so the impression that a lot of people had as that was as that bill was getting discussed and debated aided and finally passed is <hes> oh that's going to legalize c._b._d. in to some extent <hes> it has in the context of control substances act <hes> so that's what the d._a. uses from forcement and so basically you know if hemp is being cultivated according to the rules of the farm bill <hes> than the c._b._d. that's in that him as well as the other can teach these below point three percent then it falls outside the scope of the control substances act so that's a really big deal unfortunately what the farm bill does not do that i'm not sure if a lot of people realize and there are there are a lot of good people in the cannabis science-based now trying to bring attention to this but the food dragon cosmetics act <hes> did not get changed and <hes> the food drug and cosmetics act is <hes> a a piece of <hes> regulation that dictates how food drugs in cosmetics can be made but a key piece piece of it is that it states that you know things that are approved as drugs can't just be put willy nilly into foods cosmetics and that sort of thing and the problem was c._b._d. is that c._b._d.'s now considered a drug by the f._d._a. <hes> because it it has gone through drug approval processes <hes> g._w. pharmaceuticals <hes> <hes> drug epa dialects has been approved as an investigational new drugs so the food drug and cosmetics medics act you know bring it causes a bit of a road bump in the path for the c._d. industry it makes the future of the c._d. industry very ambiguous right now in the f._d._a. is sorting through how to deal with this because they recognize the c._d. industries huge there's lot of industry pressure to create a clear pathways to getting c._b._d. to people but you know they do have have to enforce the food dragon cosmetics act in the only way that that act is really going to change as if congress makes a movement to change it so that's that's the beginning beginning of teasing out the complexities c._d. industries while the control substance act was taken care of the food drug and cosmetics act is not been taking care of <hes> and so i don't know what the future of c._b._d. infused products is going to be and the f._d._a. took testimony testimony beck <hes> very recently may thirty i believe it was <hes> of this year from all sorts of different people him cultivators <hes> c._b._d. manufacturers <hes> researchers just a host of your from people to try to get feedback on c._d. <hes> and the arguments for and against <hes> trying to allowed in foods and cosmetics since we're thing and you may have seen c._v._s. has actually started stocking <hes> confused basically set up a middle finger for anybody that weren't they get getting a little backlash on that i am from what i've heard i'm not totally sure but i've heard from people that that i know personally been a little bit of backlash on that as well as backlash on how a lot of major big big companies have been stepping into the c._d.'s space you know there's a lot of tension around that but yeah so we'll see how it goes <hes> i do think that people that are getting into the c._d. in st should be a little wary <hes> and understand that there's quite a bit of risk to manage currently just in you know we don't know what the future is going to be with f._d._a. is gonna do in even when the f._d._a. makes a decision on what to do we don't know what their enforcement priorities are going Owner not an under what context so <hes> we're going to be like right now isn't Oh el-sisi essentially regulating what's in dispensaries when it comes to C._B._D.. And then basically there's no regulation when it comes to retail somewhat so yeah the in Oregon the Oregon Liquor Control Commission is managing the quote Unquote Recreational Cannabis <hes> side of things and this is where things really get complicated now. That hemp is legal. You've got states that have <hes> cannabis laws that have laws directly addressing teach see and in some cases C._B._D.. As well <hes> some states have don't don't actually have specific language in the rules about C._B._D.. And so some states are trying to fix those gaps now but <hes> yes. You've got this recreational cannabis side which you know people traditionally thought about recreational cannabis cannabis's High T._H._C. Cannabis but that's not the case anymore <hes> now <hes> one. I really don't like the term recreational cannabis I think it's very limiting because there are many many people that rely on the recreational cannabis markets for medical purposes <hes> and that's what's driven a lot of the high CD products in the <hes> the wreck market <hes> and so now when you go into a wreck dispensary you see products that are high T._C.. High C._D.. The in every ratio in between so then the question comes we'll are those high C._B._C.. Products Him technically no they're not if they're not produced under <hes> a regulated industrial hemp program by the state just a totally a different <hes> system and so in Oregon and other states managed by Department of Agriculture the him side of things <hes> and so if a high CD plant isn't grown under the hemp program and then it the farm bill is irrelevant to it <hes> and so that's confusing <hes> just in how these regulatory structures are being set up <hes> in when it comes to retail spaces I wouldn't and say there's a a total lack of regulation but <hes> there's a lack of enforcement right now on a lot of things so <hes> to sort of back up a little bit and Italian to some of the work I've been doing lately. It's really important for people understand understand that if you're GONNA make foods <hes> or cosmetics and sell them to people there are <hes> regulations in place that dictate how those products need to be manufactured <hes> basic levels of quality. They need to meet in order to be on the market and those are set up by the F._D._a.. In those are <hes> you know G._N._p.. Is Sort of a buzzword these days but that's what that refers to the F._D._a.. has these sets of guidelines <hes> called current good manufacturing practices G._N._p.. Or See G._N._p.. And they have a whole regulatory structure for <hes> all set of guidelines for foods for dietary supplements for pharmaceuticals <hes> for cosmetics <hes> and and even things like how to handle digital records and all sorts of other things related to product manufacturing and no matter what you're making <hes> East you have you. You're supposed host to abide by those rules regardless and so him products C._B.. Products are no different <hes> and so that's something I'm trying to do. A lot of quality education on right now with a lot of companies is really need to be looking at these rules and understanding ending them and building them into your business practices <hes> because when enforcement does you know start to get more strict when the F._D._a.. Starts Really <hes> going after bad players in the market or even for Instance Oregon when the O._D._A. Starts doing more careful food safety inspections <unk> inspections <hes> and that sort of thing if you're not abiding by those rules you really opening yourself up to a lot of risk unnecessary risk because really <hes> the G._O._p.. Guidelines are industry best practices anyway. They're things that you should be doing regardless and what I try to help. People understand is how to value those rules to add value to the business us and not view them as just a compliance piece another check box that they've got to take care of <hes> because I've I've now working with several different companies. I've seen different examples of why hi this jean-pierre rules will help protect the business over time you know these G._N._p.. Rules require things like <hes> vetting your suppliers and recording that having a systemized way of vetting suppliers when you're getting ingredients <hes> actually verifying the C._f.. As that come with those ingredients the certificates of analysis certificate analysis basically the test results that show the identity purity and potency of whatever ingredient greeting you're using and you know folks in the candidates world are used to this with cannabis as but <hes> you know this applies broadly to any food ingredients essential oils dietary supplements all sorts of things that you might source I to make a new product they should come with <hes> Sivas well safety data sheets that indicate there <hes> how to appropriately use those products things about toxicity all that and so G._n._p.'s require that you know you're critically evaluating these ingredients chance you're looking at safety data sheets. You're using materials appropriately <hes> they require things like different sorts of environmental controls and production controls to ensure that <hes> you're not gonNA accidentally contaminate the product <hes> and then of course throughout the production process end at the tail end when the products manufactured getting that tested and making sure that of a known <hes> potency impurity just like we're used to with testing canvas broadly and <hes> and then instituting other really important things like regular internal audits to make sure your systems are actually functioning the way you think they are <hes> making sure that you're keeping appropriate records so that you have a way of evaluating the quality of your processes in your products and and so it's all relatively pretty basic stuff <hes> but things that if you haven't been in in <hes> food manufacturing or the dietary supplement manufacturing world before it might be a little new just in how'd onboard the systems in a way that's effective instead of trying to help folks with is <hes> just how how to understand those rules and get them implemented and ultimately all of these companies that are coming about I'd like to see them succeed and I want to ensure that products that are making it to the market or as safe as they can be and a and that's that's really an extension of the work doing previously with cannabis testing as I wanNA see public health and safety managed well. I WANNA see manufacturers. Take responsibility for the products they're making in how it affects consumers and <hes> and try to raise the level of integrity and quality across the board so that when people look at the cannabis industry they don't think Oh gosh that's an unregulated mess and other products coming out of there. You can't trust up you know I wanted to be <hes> you know sort of a next level thing where people look at that as a model of like Oh you know they're doing things so well. We need to emulate that in other industries. I'd really like to see that <hes> and so. I don't know if that's unfortunately seems like there's a lot of manufacturers though or companies I guess I should say that are kind of devaluing it. They're putting out isolate yeah which we need to talk about and and <hes> it's just dumped in like it's just an herbal supplement and not regulated by the F._D._a.. Or anything <hes> on the shelf and you know and it's I know that C._B._d.. <hes> does help and especially Sashi full spectrum but may talk about that real quick. What's the difference? Please talk about spectrum yeah. That's a man. I don't think a lot of consumers realize that there's both things if you will and that there's a big difference yeah so this has been a really hot topic in my realm of work lately so just to start off. I'll say for anyway that is unfamiliar with these terms where we're coming from if you if you go in and try to buy C._B._D.. Products Right now and you go look at the shelves see what's there. You'RE GONNA see products that are labeled as full spectrum broad spectrum. <hes> <hes> companies are getting clever with all sorts of terms or using now to describe these these spectrums Spectra in the spectrum that these terms are referring to are the chemical spectrum that that theoretically is <hes> representative of the starting material used to form whatever cannabis extract went into that product and by hearing the terms you would think that full spectrum means is that the extract captures the quote unquote full spectrum of either the plant or the flower or the resins and that broad spectrum is not quite full spectrum but you know the chemical spectrums been manipulated a little a bit and then you've got islip but it's actually not that straightforward at all. There's no standardized definition of what spoke full spectrum in broad spectrum are at all. They're not scientific terms. <music> companies are using these terms in whatever ways makes sense for them and what I've noticed at least as of last year in the year before is that these terms were being used primarily for companies to differentiate their extracts ex from isolate primarily and so if they wanted to consumer to know they weren't using isolate they would slap full spectrum on their over broad spectrum and now consumers are getting more savvy and starting to ask more questions soon. That's not really flying as well as it as it did a couple years ago but that's that's been my experiences that these terms are primarily used to different shape products from isolate and and there are some companies now that are trying to change their terminology gee invent new terminology. That's more accurate to describe what the products are <hes> but I mean just the other day. I actually just wrote a section in the revised version my book about this about full spectrum broad spectrum. I mentioned that you you know I went to a store and was looking at these different products and I saw this interesting <hes> variety of a product that was called full spectrum mm-hmm and when I asked what the extract was that was used in it they said distillate was like well. That's interesting distant being full spectrum for people that don't know by distillate you know when you make distillate you're basically purging out all the chemistry from the extract other than the cab annoyance and even some cannabinoid purging out you in in there are variety of different types of distillates too so I should be careful about how I talked about that. Some Slovenia factors will get mad at me and say misrepresenting what they make but <hes> you know some disliked manufacturers will try to capture turkeys as well or they'll mixed her back in <hes> but it's important for people understand that <hes> distillates are refined line extracts pretty pretty refined and so I saw that product I was like okay and I look at another product. Label is full. Spectrum was the base for that Oh it C._o.. Two oil like okay so C._O.. Two oil very very different than distillate <hes> C._O.. Two oil much broader spectrum of vital chemistry than distillate <hes> but still you know. I don't know if I'd go as far as to say that C._O.. Two oil is is full spectrum by any means <hes> in in someone may want to argue with me about that. It'll be open to that conversation. <hes> and then another product I mean these side by side and the other product was made from <hes> ethanol extract also full spectrum and it was so funny because what I was seeing was basically <hes> a spectrum of plant chemistry among these products with the ethanol extract having more fight a chemical diversity than any others C._O.. Two oil being in the middle and then disturbing on the end but they're all labeled full spectrum so imagine how confusing that is to consumer that doesn't know as much as I do about the chemistry and everything will obviously do we know they're gonNA look at it and say it's all the same yes exactly and as far as trying to understand things like how chemical diversity effects the pharmacological response when you take that product there's still a lot to tease out but we do know that there is some level of phytochemicals diversity. 'em needed that will help enhance the efficacy of C._D. or T._C.. Another advocates <hes> possibly even allow people take lower dosages and have fewer side effects by getting an and get equal or greater <hes> therapeutic responses <hes> and so this. It's important to tease this all out. If someone's trying to find the broadest spectrum of chemistry they they can find they may get misled into using dissolute product when really the one in ethanol extract or maybe they don't want to ethanol extract but they also don't WanNA discipline they're looking for C._O.. Two oil I think there's a place for everything everything <hes> depending on everyone's unique biochemistry and what they're after but the communication needs to be drastically improved to help consumers understand what they're actually getting waiting for sure. Is there any one product and I shouldn't say product. Is there anyone process that you could call a full spectrum in my opinion. No so there's there's several pieces to it when you do in extraction. There's no extraction. That's perfect. I mean unless you just melt down the plant into Gu. <hes> the any extraction process that you do and certainly all the major major extraction processes used in cannabis target some limited spectrum even ethanol extracts aren't GonNa grab everything so then it comes down to well. What are you referring to when you say full Spectrum Korea referring to the plant the whole plant because also full spectrum sometimes gets used anonymously with the term full a whole plant extract which I have a whole other set of issues around that there are some companies that are using whole plants and extracts and buy whole the plan I mean leaves stems flower roots everything and for those companies are doing that great? They're they're creating whole plant extract products and the term whole plant extract that is a more traditionally defined term that comes from herbalism but very few companies are doing that and said when they're using full spectrum if they're not referring to the whole plant are they're referring to the whole flower or they referring to hold resins and if they're referring referring to the whole resins didn't there some room to use that term a little more accurately but I I still think it's too misleading really <hes> but you know you can capture the residents from the flour and capture that phytochemicals diversity <hes> pretty well through a lot of extraction techniques that are used with cannabis but certainly you're not grabbing everything from the plant or everything from the flour and even if even if he did do a variety of extraction techniques mix those extracts together. There's also a technological limitation with what cannabis testing labs can do to verify that you've captured that whole phytochemicals diversity you know there's there's a presumption by some that analytical labs. Can you know basically take a sample stick it in a machine and it's going to tell them everything that's in it and just not really the case. There's so many different aspects to it. The way you prepare a sample in the lab changes what you're going to be able to analyze the different technologies used to test a sample effects the types of compounds you're you're gonna be able to see and even using something like a mass spectrometer which is commonly used to identify unknown compounds in a in a material in a sample. They're still limitations with that and so it's important for folks to know that it's it's very hard to verify whether you've actually captured the full chemical spectrum of something you've extracted and so in general I just don't these days. I just really don't like the term full spectrum I think the term broad spectrum is more honest but has just as many problems <hes> because then you get into this debate about we'll how broad does the chemical spectrum have to be before it's a quote unquote broad spectrum extract and you still getting into this problem where a desolate can be labeled as broad spectrum the same as ethanol extract and <hes> so they're still that muddying of the waters so ultimately I think it comes down to consumer education and it's it's important for consumers to feel empowered to ask to see test results of products <hes> so that they can see what can adenoids or in that product if it's been tested for Turkey's what Turpin but even that has some limitations as well because you're not gonNA test a finished product for all of these different compounds that are going to be important when it comes to therapeutic responses <hes> so yeah. There's a there's a lot of nuance there in the industry still has a a ways to go. I think to <hes> bridge these communication gaps yeah and I think that should be part of the regulation is just being clear about what the product is having some standardized if you will for lack of better word but standardized terms that people can get educated on and then understand yeah I mean it's it's important to have a standardized vocabulary so that we can all speak the same language will yeah and also not how people be able to use these marketing terms to to to incorrectly present product in my opinion though I think if you're going to buy C._B._D.. Products especially for health reasons instead of say novelty or something you should be going to a dispensary and I think there's this may be separate conversation tangent but and correct me if any of this is wrong but you know your your C._d.. That comes to your <hes> dispensaries weather's edibles or tinctures or whatever are all going to be tested and at least to be able to sell through the dispensary and you know that's a testing that goes beyond just that it's the actual thing it says it is and how much right that's decides and stuff and that could be concerned. Turn even <hes> maybe not much distant. I don't know the chemical process without so maybe the dislike it gets all that stuff taken out well it just it depends so there are several pieces to that if you're in Oregon and you're buying him products made under under the O._D._A.'s Hint program the testing rules for him are actually exactly the same as they are for recreational cannabis <hes> however there's not a lot of enforcement as I've seen and a lot of companies are not doing that level of testing that they're supposed to I think that will come back to buy them in the ASS eventually but allows them aren't doing it right now. <hes> the companies that I have worked with <hes> I always encourage them to take this testing rules very seriously and <hes> to get compliant and once again not just view it as a compliance issue <hes> <music> but something that can boost the value of their own company. <hes> you know to be able to market that their products are of a higher quality and you know that the hemp extracts used our free from contaminants and <hes> another complicated piece. Is You know it's not just about the hip extract in a product. I mean we're talking about. Cannabis products are getting so sophisticated now that you're starting to see some some fairly complex <hes> herbal formulations on the market and so the conversation has to steer a little bit away from the hemp extract and to talk about the <hes> the product as a whole you know because if you've got some sort of <hes> herbal product that has a hint extract formulated into it and it's got all sorts of other herbs in it that are also going to interact with the Indo can adenoid system <hes> the efficacy that product may be unique compared to thinking about just the extract there are ways to enhance the effects of hemp extracts by blending other herbal constituents in with them <hes> in something that have been working on adding to my book. <hes> just a couple of days ago is trying to teach people about these compounds in other plants that interact with the Indo cavanaugh system directly as all sorts of things like <hes> <hes> Alcoa from extracted from the roots of ECHINACEA plants interact with canal annoyed receptors Beta carry off lean turpin. That's found in canvas is found in plant oils. <hes> a lot of different plants <hes> interacts directly Louis C. Two receptors flavonoids from a lot of plants. It turns out have affinity for cannabinoid receptors. <hes> you know how we think about Indo can avenue it system can adenoids broadly is evolving evolving at a rapid rate and so if consumers get to caught up on the cannabis extracts they may miss the bigger picture which is that whole formulated product and what's in it. What are the other constituents and how're our constituents working together to produce unique effects and unique therapeutic value sets just important for people to realize yeah well? I mean it's pretty much getting back to the fact that we kind of see that. It's a synergistic yeah yeah exactly process going on there and I think that even add more complication to that. Everybody's chemistry is a little bit different. I would assume and so like different strains affect different people and different strains strains affect you as far as medicinally different some causing anxiety some don't depends on it so I mean I imagined CDs the same way or at least that full every every every everything you consume our our biochemistry. He is different person to person in the context of the ADENOID system <hes> the levels of cannabinoid receptors. Your body is producing different person person <hes> what you're Indo cannabinoid are doing in your body's different person to person and the levels of enzymes in your body responsible for producing and breaking down into cabinets or different even things like rates of <hes>. There's process called autophagy or Autophagy autophagy which is basically the way that your body clears out sailor debris <hes> out of your body and rates of autophagy are different person to person and that affects therapeutic responses and and in the context of of drugs and foods <hes> so yeah it's it's super complicated and there's currently not a straightforward way to measure the tone of someone's Indo cabinet system so it's you know trial and error <hes> and so absolutely you know take ten people and they all try the exact same hemp extract or canvas product or whatever and you're GonNa get a spectrum of responses that <hes> yeah you can you can standardize the product all you want but you know all pharmaceuticals foods herbal medicines. Everything is like this <hes> and it's just important that consumers keep all of this balanced in their minds and when they're developing their expectations of approximately do salsa the placebo effect not which is really hard to nail down especially with cannabis but you know what someone's expectation of what something's GonNa do they consume is going to affect their experience especially in the context of treating <hes> psychological but even <hes> indirect physiological issues and CBA effect can be extremely powerful to put it into perspective <hes> Oh man I don't remember the details of when it was done but there were some placebo research that was done at one point where <hes> the researchers had people come in <hes> head knee problems and thought they needed <hes> knee surgery to correct it so <hes> the researchers put them under anesthesia they <hes> cut open their knee but then sealed it right back up didn't do anything just cut it sealed it <hes> and they saw an overwhelmingly powerful placebo response in this patient's felt like their knees totally better you know they felt like they were younger again. <hes> it was amazing and it just shows how powerful the placebo effect can be and there's also an effect called no CBO effect which is sort of the opposite of like effects you expect won't happen. You know can <hes> then lead to <hes> negative responses in so there's a lot to tease out and that's why having these critical conversations is so important to keep this all in perspective because if you just wade through social media and pop culture articles <hes> you can in be given an impression that cannabis science and medical science is all much more straightforward than it actually is <hes> and <hes> yeah in order for people to to find what they really need. They me to understand those things in regarding the placebo effects something that I try to touch on is in the context of cannabis. I think there are some therapeutic responses that people get from cannabis that are based in placebo however I don't think that's a bad thing <hes> given the safety profile of cannabis if someone's getting therapeutic response and it's all placebo fine like great. I'm glad that they were able to get some relief for something that you know isn't going to hurt them yeah and I I think that's important keeping a perspective to some people get very worked up. When you start talking about the placebo effect very defensive like what do you mean? You're saying my stuff doesn't work and it's like well. No I mean that's your it is work your experiences real that's important to clarify your experience very real. I can't talk about that <hes> but I can talk about pharmacological actions in the things responsible for producing that experience and <hes> yeah people getting relief from placebo than the great and into balance that there are a ton of direct pharmacological effects from cannabis that do 'cause you know <hes> therapeutic benefits to <hes> but I think not as much as we think yeah yeah. Well and I think that if we're if you were to spend some time maybe experiment with some extracts C._B._D.. Type extracts and see what works for you. That might be worthwhile. I don't believe too too much that maybe a desolate or I slit would work too hot. I and this is no this is just an opinion but I would tend to probably lean towards broader spectrum stuff to try out. We'll certainly don't know their case. Hey Studies that have come out from nurses and doctors that are doing work with cannabis that certainly echoed that that sentiment that as you get towards distant and isolate the are needing to use higher dosages ages to get the same response getting like ethanol extracts or two extracts but it's it's it's all over the place and it's also important for people understand that like the clinical trials that we're done with EPA dialects which is basically pure C._B._D.. So CD D._V._D.. Isolate Ninety nine percent pure C._d.. which the stuff that's called C._D._i.? Slid on the market is not always that pure but usually oh gosh yeah yeah yeah as an aside one thing that's very common in <hes> dietary supplement manufacturing. If you get ingredients from China or lead or India there's usually a higher standard for quality testing because of issues related to contaminants in and purified powders and stuff but I guess my big thing and it's it's a it's a view on things and it's just maybe stigma or something but when it seems to me when you isolate something like that and then make it you know a product or a pill. It just seems like that's Pharma to me. Well now. Cannabis has always been more than farm in terms of not just ideas but like the full spectrum spectrum we'll plan when you're getting all canal and you're getting medicinal effect but then you try to isolate it down to just one any given one thing and it just becomes a chemical and I know it's all chemical but generally pharmaceutical thing you generally run into unique challenges in problems when you get into isolated compounds in it's something that <hes> pharmaceutical industries no very well at this point <hes> medical sciences over the past decade or two has started to realize that the the isolated ingredient approach while it's valuable for certain things is not as valuable as <hes> we once thought I think you know my perspective on it. All is all of these products are tools tools. They all have appropriate inappropriate applications and some of those applications can be more limited than others and so. I think there's there's a space for isolated C._D.. For Pharmaceutical Circles D._V._D.. EPA dialects and everything and I think there's there's room for desolate and see a two extracts in ethanol extracts in it's GonNa take awhile for them all to find their place <hes> but you know yeah absolutely ice leading C._d.. That is sort of the traditional farm approach. I don't necessarily think that's bad or good like I said it's just the development of another tool and it's just important for people to realize the limitations and issues around that and like I said you know some of these case studies from doctors and nurses that are doing the work that are actually seeing how patients are responding with these products. <hes> seemed to be echoing what you're saying that <hes> therapeutic responses seem to get more limited as you concentrated in something I was going to touch on earlier the study with EPA dialects using purified C._B._D.. The dosages they were using I believe they started out five milligrams per kilogram of body weight and so when you start to scale that up in keep in mind that these trials were done with children so I don't know let's just assume a kid one hundred pounds a kilogram has two point two pounds so am I hope I don't screw this math up but hundred pound kid be like forty five kilograms or something like that so you're talking about five milligrams of C._B._D.. Per One kilogram so you're talking five milligrams times forty five and that's the starting dose <hes> try to get therapeutic response with dialects at least and then in some cases they upped the dosages all the way up to ten milligrams per kilogram body weight now you balance that dosage ing out with a lot of the products C._d.. Products that are on the shelves Dell's right now in the dosages per serving or like five milligrams per serving ten milligrams per serving <hes>. That's a huge discrepancy now while I believe it's possible to boost the efficacy of the C._B._D.. Eighty product through five chemical diversity and that sort of thing. I do think a lot of these C._B.. Parts that on the market or not potent enough. I don't think they need to be as potent as these EPA dialects studies. I don't think the dosages necessarily you have to be that high in the context of chemical diversity but they probably need to be higher than they are while I can tell you this when you go to a dispensary and you look on the label T._H._C. or C._B._d.. You can look on the label in like an edible will say okay these are dummies and they're fifty milligrams a piece rent you flip over and it says they're forty-three tested at forty three milligrams right okay so does that much leniency on something as regulated. You know damn well. All that stuff is sitting on the shelf. Oh yes that sold in Fred Meyer right now. I can go down to thrifty the minute market in pick up some C._B._D.. Gumy's which frustrates me to know in and you can't tell me probably has for all we know has nothing in it right and one. That's coming back to the G._N._p.. Peace and quality management. That's an important piece of that is companies have to without it being defined in regulations companies have to define what that acceptable variants variance is companies totally ignore that they don't define that at all. They're just like screw it. It's on our label of how many milligrams is in there just if they're getting tested get tested and get it on the shelves. We're not gonNA REDO are labels. <hes> just because it's off you know some amount but you know that's part of some of the consulting work I'm trying to do with companies to is you know this is a marketing differentiator like be able to define your variants stick to that variance and tell people about the variance so that they know like okay if this is labeled. Let's say fifty milligrams of C._B._D.. Yes it may not be exactly fifty because that's unreasonable to expect but you can expect that it's going to be somewhere between forty eight and fifty two right you know and and have a narrow range in the the goal of a of ineffective quality management system is you're gonNA steadily narrow that range over time as your processes get better and better better <hes> and so that's the type of thinking I'm trying to get companies to. I do like define these specifications and when you define them create processes to uphold them and then market them differentiate yourself yeah add value to your company your products by doing that and there's so much opportunity ready for a part manufacturers to enhance the value of their companies just by instituting really robust quality management systems and understanding that the whole point of quality management system is continuous improvement and if a company he doesn't want continuous improvement then that that raises red flags to me through and I just not decide track but it's one. Let's you know <hes> Ralph Wiley farms had made a comment. He was just saying <hes> C._B._D.. Seems to be just a nutritional supplement. We kinda covered that <hes> and that's what it does appear like on the shelf well. I mean you know it does appear like it's just another bottle lost on the damn shelf and really does it do much. I don't know I've never taken anything off a store shelf. I sure as hell win by Thrifty C._B._D.. Gummy but I have and this is something else I wanted to bring up Ben before I forget not the sidetrack at all but <hes> I often wonder the differences between because there's all this C._B._d.. Foul now and people are smoking C._B._C. Flowers even across seas over the U._K.. There Smoking C._B._C. Flower doesn't have any T._H._C. or not enough to affect you. At any point you know right right points not intoxicated or something less so what would be the difference is there is their health benefits to see being smoked because that's process by the body different as an edible rice. The method that you're taking in might be different as well <hes> well. It depends on what what you're trying to get from that product. You know well. The reason I say that is because if I had pain that I was trying to alleviate and a one of us like say a broad spectrum C._B.. I would probably goes by myself inedible because for me and in my experience I have found that edibles in general are what are medicinally more effective for me so I would prefer instead of smoking joint say of a C._D.. Flower to try to get some alleviation whatever symptoms I would probably wow eaten edible but again. There's no differentiating there either. Everybody just says take this pill more. Take this infused whatever like often wonder infusing food in a restaurant so if you own a restaurant and you say you you provide C._B._D.. In the food and it could be a choice you can have either or either C._d.. Infused or not I probably guarantee it's probably distillate or in Iceland and it's probably white powder in the back room that you're mixing in with your stuff yeah same time see again. You're riding the thing of okay am I coming here just for the novelty getting C._B._D.. Right or is it really going to help you to have that C._B._D.. <hes> steak right yeah. I know I'm and if it's used in food like I said they're probably most likely using <unk> of some sort some sort of powder or something. I don't seem using concentrates. Yeah I mean as defective I've seen I've seen variety but in general most commonly I see distillates in isolates used mm for that kind of manufacturing per merely because it's easier to work with the dosages and we're accurate and easier to just infuse Shah and just having a highly potent product like that <hes> if you're just diluting it down <hes> however you need to and using it. I'm personally my personal opinion. <hes> I'm highly skeptical of a lot of the C._d.. Infused foods. I think there's there's probably some value to some people in those but <hes> I think they're using health wise or you sing more towards tinctures or what are you saying would be most effective for some of the sitting down to try it well. You know what I what I personally prefer. I liked tinctures. I'm a big fan of traditional herbal medicine styles of doing things <hes> so I like tinctures people have to be careful because a lot of CD products that on the market that are called tinctures that terms not always used properly tinctures technically is supposed to be an alcohol based liquid product <hes> but there are a lot of <hes> M._C._A._T.. Oil Glycerin based on tinctures glycerin based <hes>. I'm not a fan of Glycerin based stuff enough personally. I just find that it just makes my stomach feel a little weird. I don't know rancid easy if they can't well. That's that's exactly what I was going to get to <hes> <hes> there's an issue around the shelf life a lot of products like that <hes> there was a push early on to make these sort of <hes> m._c._A._T.. And other oil-based products out of actually him boil or himse oil using these these <unk> derived oil basis and those rancid really quick really quick and if you've ever smelled or tasted a rancid <hes> hemp extract like that on Gunky. Oh who is terrible. I accidentally taken a dropper full of Aransas Oral C._B._D.. Product ill so terrible. Stay down it did but man I regret that it was a life lesson for sure smell it before you take a dropper full. That's probably smart idea so has got definitely a smell yeah and even M._C._A._T.. Products after a few years M._C._A._T.. Products in general if they're pure are usually pretty shelf stable for at least a few years but I've involved been involved in some <hes> shelf life studies with those and after a while they can kind of start to taste like rubber. It's <hes> interesting. Can you do things like refrigerate longer yeah for sure because I know that if I was gonna make home stuff <hes> I would. I would stay away from the alcohol not partial to yeah and that's and that's why there's been a push to M._C._A._T.. Oil in a lot of these products because a lot of people don't wanNA use alcohol <hes> and I totally get that and and I I liked both I like. I really like alcohol. Spray Products Yeah. I'm a big Fan of those. I used to us <hes> herb farms. <hes> breast sprays all the time <hes> I used to love those and now I find myself occasionally using <hes> C._B._D.. Alcohol based sprays and then for the droppers lease <hes> M._C._A._T.. Stuff <hes> that's just what I've the preferred. I like controlling the dosage with that and I think I've mentioned before on the podcast. I'm a big fan of experience journaling and trying to whenever you're trying to understand how a product like a canvas product is affecting you <hes> at least for the first several times you take it taking good notes when you take it what your dose is. What the product is everything you know about it and try to jot down what you notice about how your body's responding to it and then you can go back and look and see trends of what seems to be working? What's not because if you're not jotting it down it can be hard to keep track and memory is fickle thing <hes> you may think you remember how something went and reality can be very different? <hes> so that's something I try to do an something I did with C._B._D.. Products for awhile when they started hit the market and I was kind of testing the waters with those and so that's what I found that <hes> alcohol based sprays and an M._c._A._T.. ORAL FORMULAS <HES> I. I like a lot <hes> like you said I'm I'm a fan of edibles when you need <hes> pain relief especially long-lasting pain relief so something I don't talk about a lot but I'm probably going to get into a my podcast asa mines. We'll talk about it here. I have several <hes> several medical issues. <hes> you know that I've used cannabis for <hes> for a long time. I've got several bulging disks in my back. <hes> that caused quite a lot of pain every single day and <hes> you know what I found is the best way that I personally can get relief from that with a canvas product is is with edibles <hes> takes longer to kick in obviously but it lasts a lot longer so as far or something like trying to get through the day you know CD edible with a little bit of T._h._C. in it because that T._H._C. being part of the C._D.. Products are very important to boost the efficacy. That's definitely something that I've personally noticed in. Research seems to support that as well <hes> you know taking a C._d.. Edible can help me get through the day without noticing my back problems as much yeah. I'M GONNA. I'm going to try just C._B._D.. But on the edible side but for me I've been really since I took that almost five month break so I took almost five months off completely everything nothing yeah no no tylenol no Ibuprofen. No Oh wow yeah no it's to purge just purged everything and not like a full on juice and stuff but just kind of gives baseline just get back to a home stasis of chemicals in the body and you know to just try out I for one I do like to know that I haven't dove to deepen the something you know for me. If I had you know in the past I have had troubles with it but you know with a substance say like alcohol or pills or something thankfully they haven't we'll pills. Anyway hasn't been an issue with me but if I die in too far into something I can run into some some troubles. I got that addictive personality style so you know I'm thinking well. You know I smoked since I'm eighteen am addicted. There's a lot of talk about addiction is addicted addictive some people there's all those other questions like everything can be addictive right so what is addiction all these definitions fight with and so I'm just going. I'm just GonNa stop and see what it is like and so yeah five months. Which I thought was pretty good a decent enough time? It was more than ninety days yeah yeah just what people have to do. Sometimes I'm GonNa go more than what people have to do. Sometimes so I went past ninety took one forty or something like that and you know honestly it taught me a lot first of all. I wasn't addicted yeah <hes> but I did no. I noticed this anytime you put something in your body. Body doesn't matter what it is. It's going to make some sort of change. Yes <hes> big or small and so and I think that's what people can sometimes mislabeled addiction as you know so for instance when I quit smoking first first couple of days sleep well. I don't necessarily think that was dictated. I think that's because it adds to my ability to sleep or I'm used to using it as asleep. Giradi had to figure out how exactly so when you take that away your body's get yourself back to some sort of baseline without and stuff like that. I thought it'd be a little bit. grumpy really wasn't grumpy as much as you just need an outlet for your new energy yeah not that for me. Cannabis never made me tired but it did relax me so when you don't have that relaxation at times during the day you can just you know you get so exercise taking walks just doing things in general. We'll get rid of all that quote unquote. You know bad mood stuff going on yeah. That's just that's just energy need to burn off that that you haven't had to burn off because you're using different method to deal with it other than that not much. I did start dreaming very vividly vividly. I've I've had that experience to. I'm talking like nearly what do they call out. When you control your dreams lucid dreams almost to that point but just real like talk about people said you dream in color or black and white on Mike Color baby you this stuff is integral fellow man and so that did disturb me a little bit because I had to get used to that go yams without much dreaming going on and then you boom and it's just like well? That's the reestablishment of deeper Rim A._M.. Cycles Ryan and I've seen articles on that I understand how that works and it also makes me understand why it works for P._T._S._d.. Patients if you're having nightmares like that and you're beating yourself up or your spouse up and I I can totally tell you that it's going to help you because is you're not going to have those at least not as many of those night terrors tears because I did my bad dreams did increase to not only my good dreams bathrooms and all that and so anyway <hes> but I also learned that I didn't like do certain certain things high which is really cool yeah you know because when you smoke weed at a young age I just WanNa get high into everything right. I WANNA get high and wrath. I WANNA get high in camp and I want to get I and whatever well I realize hey. I don't WanNa be high for everything like a lot of times working with an interview or doing my equipment or setup tear down or any of that stuff I am. I'm flat out. Just you know yeah no so I learned a lot of things but also I learned coming back the IT works for me. I know now being cleaned for so long. How does actually work from S.? Yeah that's so important yeah so now I know how to apply without just doing it. All the time. Yeah yeah programmed behavior threat right. You're doing without thinking and I can actually use it. What do you call it with intention? Yes yeah it'd be mindful yeah yeah and I like that and so without long story <hes> edibles I've been experimenting with them when I came back from this and end medically very valuable for me. I don't get as much nearly as much pain relief. I don't get any of the symptomatic relief that I do. As when I take inedible and again that's dosage dependent and then that's what I like about it. If people take the time to experiment with with these products whether it's not both being able to use an edible and start small and build your way up and experiment with it man you can a lot of people can micro does not get high and get some relief. Also people like me. I'll take two hundred milligrams programs and know that I'm going to have a great evening little bit of giggles and no pain yeah and sleep like a baby. I mean that's if anything you're GONNA sleep well. I could say that for most people I bet you if you started data if you're on Ambien or sleeping medication you don't WanNa Take Shit if you work yourself on some edibles starting small. I bet she can get off those pills. It's it's tricky sleep thing. It's funny. You're talking about these things because it ties is directly into an interview I did for the curious about cameras podcast couple of weeks ago. <hes> I talked to health and wellness educator that <hes> does a lot of substance use education <hes> too new high schoolers college students and we actually talked about several pieces of what you just went through one the importance of absence breaks and trying to understand what your baseline is and taking a personal inventory of yourself and your relationship to the foods and substances that you're consuming and trying to make sure that <hes> those behaviors are still within <hes> what what you desire for yourself and your life and the outcomes that you want in everybody's different with that <hes> but then also the sleep thing. It's weird for some people cannabis seems to work really well for sleep other people it will get them to sleep but it will not keep them asleep and it's part of that rim disruption almost like alcohol alcohol make you pass out right but then you wake up a few hours later yeah in in canvas can be the same way and it just depends person to person <hes> I think certainly it's very valuable to help people get to sleep and <hes> in potentially keep them asleep <hes> but but that that piece is is just not quite as straightforward <hes> <hes> some people people could find relief yeah definitely some people can't I've talked to plenty of people that that do <hes> <hes> and I've talked to plenty of people that have realized that while they thought canvas was helping them sleep <hes> they found that actually it was just getting them to sleep but they were actually <hes> <hes> ending up more tired hired by the time they woke up <hes> because they were waking up every few hours very briefly <hes> just weren't staying asleep and so it's it's one of those things that needs to be teased out as far as understanding these differences person to person and trying to figure out <hes> you know win. It's appropriate when it's not and and this trial and error process impersonal inventory process like well you don't know until you try it out and see if it works for you or not and then even if you've been doing doing it awhile and you think it is working. I think it's a good idea to do an abstinence break and try to come back to a baseline without it if you can. Some people have very severe sleep issues or like you mentioned A._d._H._d.. Other issues that you know really they have have to be little more careful shot. The absence makes everything if it's really helping them in a in a very severe way but <hes> being able to regularly do those the self inventories I that's something that <hes> Matt Vogel Regal the Guy That I interviewed he touched on a lot that I really resonated with regular personal inventories about your own health and wellness and making sure that <hes> you know the things you're consuming are are actually helping you <hes> and trying to get that perspective of yourself super super important yeah well in some awareness. I think a lot of times we get so caught up with an it you know being so beneficial and enjoyable for sure it's enjoyable and incorporating so much in our lives that we can become just something. That's there and you're not conscious of yeah. It's used or how you're applying it or yeah. I mean there are a lot of people I've talked to that. <hes> in friends of mine that have said you know they realized they they were consuming cannabis a lot and weren't even thinking about it and realized once again something we've talked about on on the interview did recently people here eventually <hes> you know they thought it was benefiting them because they've just been doing it for so long and then when they step back realized it was just a repetitive learned behavior and it wasn't something they were doing intentionally and for some people <hes> when they're using cannabis regularly <hes> cannabis can start to affect you differently over time now not for everybody but for some people <hes> cannabis can turn one eighty once they've been chronically using it for a long time. I think I think for most anything if you use it for a long long longtime especially actually longtime it definitely changes I've noticed with other drugs not necessarily hard drugs but but like alcohol over a long period of time seen caffeine over long period of time but I also believe this to you know people freak out like they'll have these studies say well and this is real bad example but say cocaine. Will you know here. Here's your brain without cocaine. Here's your brain with cocaine. Look all these chain. Look at what it does to your brain and I'm like okay. If we know what it's doing is bad than it's bad okay but if it's just changing the brain change itself not inherently not inherently bad and I truly believe anything that you put into your body for for a long period is going to change your body and your brain yeah sure even with alcohol. You're alcoholic for a few years. You're wiring different men and when you come off the alcohol and stay sober. It's it's rewiring. There's a lot of shit going onto your head. No that's really really important to point out 'cause I'm even with with cannabis. You know their studies that show changes to the brain with long-term Cannabis Houston in you know that what is the question to ask is like what does that change good batter. Indifferent isn't just your brain <hes> responding to its environment right so is it just the wiring in a way that is revolving to that right just an adaptation and is it a permanent change or just a just the way that your brain is having to to function under different stimuli these are really really important questions to ask and you know we don't medical research and scientific data. You know we'd all like to think it's further along than it actually is but we don't have good answers to all these questions yet and to who knows winner if we will to some of these some of these questions so it's really important for people to be a little crackle but but keep it balanced and and understand <hes> all of the immense nuance nuance to all of this and <hes> you know another thing that I see with cannabis use and therepeutic uses. There's so much talk about the therapeutic benefits that I think some people feel pressure to get therapeutic relief from cannabis and they'll try and it's almost like trying to force that therapeutic response because they're like everybody else is getting so much relief highs in helping me and it's important for people understand stand. You know it's it while it helps a lot of people. It doesn't do much a lot of people to and if you're one of those people that's okay well and I do see it in a lot of specialist seems like older generations that are just started to experiment with it. There might be a little stigma in there. Oh Gosh it used to be bad. Is this going to turn me into a raving right and so I think a lot of it and their brain is like okay well. It's medicine as medicine so I'm GonNa to find some got achey joins and so they go in like that. I know my mom did my mom was against cannabis for two thousand fifteen or speaking of the choir all of a sudden it goes legal and she wants to buy cartridge age no. Are you kidding me now. It's Okay Oh yeah I mean you know now. It's now now. She's GonNa find some health benefits and she's she literally honestly has she takes cartridge and she'll take one. Maybe two small hits at night because it does helpers who sleep and ultra sleep through the night so mike that's great very go well fire cartridge every six months. That's similar to me my family for those of you that don't know my background eighteen. I'm originally from Mississippi from the deep South <hes> major major stigma there around canvas use it wasn't until recently I mean the they're one of the last dates are going so weird because Mississippi in the seventies seventies was one of the early states to actually decriminalize possession in the in the home <hes> but that now that didn't continue and so my family very similar <hes> very anti was only familiar you're with the propaganda that had been put out you know throughout the sixty seventies eighties nineties about <hes> the harms about cannabis and they weren't familiar with the therapeutic aspects and now my mom lomb uses a cannabis infused cream regularly to deal with arthritis and fibromyalgia pain and <hes> you know my dad has the certain CD products now that he uses to deal with <hes> headaches and other issues shoes and they say you know get works better than than any of the pharmaceuticals we've tried and and that kind of feedback I take really seriously from people like that that come from a background of assuming that it's harmful having a little skepticism and then having it prove the suggestion wrong is definitely a good yeah. It's you know when I gator when they tell me feedback about stuff. I'm like okay that <hes> that just puts things into into really good perspective because they're not bringing this sort of positive by a season to it of assuming that it's GonNa work do well and all that if anything they're trying to promote a no CBO effect and in taking this is probably not anything and then they're like wow this did a lot. It's like okay that effect is on the certainly very very real yeah and topical. They just take a little longer for like for me. I'll have to rub it. On for a couple of days. It depends and so are are really interesting because we formulate them can affect that quite a lot so we'll end. There's different ways you can get it absorbed with. That's exactly what I was getting too yeah. There's some Turpin that are very very effective. Penetration enhancers cancers <hes> that can help deliver can have annoyed through those initial layers of skin so the way the skin is layered. You basically have these like oily layers watery layers backed back to back which is really important because it helps keep things out of your system in so if something likes dissolving water at probably doesn't like dissolving an oil and so having these light basilic phobic layers it helps protect us one of the functions of skin but when you're trying to apply a therapeutic substance and you want to penetrate through those layers and reach either <hes> the blood vessels center in terms of the skin little deeper right below the epidermis or their cannabinoid receptors in the skin there are also nerves obviously in the skin and depending on what you're trying to to reach you can formulate topical to help make that more effective and and help this therapeutic responses come on faster and possible even deliver you can have an always deep enough into the tissues that it can reach those blood vessels and actually circulating your system to which is why drug testing in the context of top goes very tricky question. I get along with like am I gonNA fail a drug test. If I'm using topical it's like well I can't tell you you won't <hes> because it just depends if you have heard both ways yeah if heard it's your metabolism to if it gets passed the EPIDERMIS <hes> and then it's going to get into your system and circulate and then over time yeah you could fail if you're using a product that really is just staying on the outside of the skin and not soaking in. You'll probably be okay but there's no way I'll ever tell someone you won't fail drug test for top goals and I think you've got to be careful like you said of the the delivery system on the testing part because <hes> I know alcohol will get into your system through your skin. I've been tested for alcohol after working with rubbing alcohol ISOPROPYL alcohol gall with lenses and didn't pass wow and had had zero alcohol well yeah well. I know alcohols also used as a skin penetration enhancer well. It works because it got it wasn't a large. It wasn't like they were saying Oh. You've been drinking the right wow. This is interesting that you working around alcohol shows up in your blood and it's like whoo swell coming back to cannabis product manufacturing especially in the Hinton C._d.. Space there's a lot of use of of ethanol am to do either primary extractions or extract refinement <hes> so the way that <hes> a lot of extract producers will clean up there extracts is by taking their sort of crude extract dissolving it ethanol getting it really really cold quote unquote winterizing it though <hes> there's been debated whether that terms accurate anymore but anyway getting it really really cold having these heavy fats in waxes precipitate out of the solution together and then you run it through filter and you can and get those heavy fats and waxes out and you've got a nice nice looking <hes> <hes> relatively clear oil <hes> but <hes> I have some safety concerns around the handling of ethanol in some of these facilities. I've seen a wide range of operations and sort of the levels that companies are going to protect their workers summer doing really good job in summer hardly doing anything and some of that just released ignorance it just people are doing the best they can don't know better and then some people some people that are just kind of ignoring in those pieces <hes> so some some of the manufacturers that aren't addressing issues not necessarily like militias disorder negligent <unk> sometimes just they don't know better and sometimes it is negligent but you know if you're breathing in ethanol fumes handling ethanol lot not taking <hes> proper precautions to wear gloves house where other protective equipment <hes> you know get into your system. <hes> you can get drunk off of inhaling ethanol fumes over time <hes> so it's it's important if there are any manufacturers listening to this it's important to mixture to understand some aspects of the chemicals you're working with than take proper precautions to protect yourself and use appropriate <hes> p personal protective equipment when doing that type of work jer sure all right well so with that said we've kind of covered a lot. There's so much to cover on C._B._S.. Sign and this is GonNa get crazier in just something we can revisit so in your for you and your expertise as the you know what is your best advice for consumers on the market yeah and C._B._D.. What how what's your best advice to keep them safe and what should they do to <hes> yeah well? I think the there's a couple pieces and with anything you consume. You need to educate yourself about what you're consuming so the first apiece is really developing as much education as you need to be able to make informed decisions about the products that you wanNA consume understanding how products are made understanding these different types of extracts and how they're used in products <hes> just getting some baseline understanding of that so that you know good questions to ask of manufacturers and retailers that are providing products so that you can you know Kinda grill them and see how much understood about the products that are available <hes>. I think it's really important for consumers to feel empowered to ask for test results on products. I think that that while it'd be great great if test results were available for all products everywhere. I don't think that's a realistic expectation so that's <hes> you know deficiency that consumers in some states will have to work with they may not be able to get access to test results on products but if they can't if you're in <hes> some state that does not have you know the C._B.'s kind of new and a lot of products it just coming onto the market without much oversight <hes> it's just asking as many questions as you can understanding where these proxy coming from researching the companies that make them trying to understand if they can is this companies can demonstrate levels of integrity <hes> trying to understand <hes> how companies maintain quality <hes> like. I said a lot of consulting I do now <hes> while it's all focused on science it's there's so much quality management involved <hes> and so yeah learning the right questions to ask <hes> learning about these different products and the nuances of their differences looking at the ingredients chance that are in products other than just the hemp extract in understanding whether there are <hes> whether it's a product. That's basically just him hbextract suspended an M._C._A._T.. Oil Or is it a more sophisticated sort of medicinal herb formulation. I think is important to tease out <hes> trying to understand the expertise in credentials of the people that are manufacturing particularly formulating and manufacturing these products products is important and I wish consumers didn't have to take so much time to do so much research but I think it's just really really important <hes> and it's going to remain critically important until this industry tree evolves and matures over time and with that said there are a lot of really good players in the industry that are trying to do things well <hes> and trying to <hes> do education with consumers and help help people understand what these products are and how different and demonstrate level of safety and everything trying to find those companies <hes> you know those are some of the best things you can do. <hes> always try to understand whether the ingredients were products have been tested for contaminants or not <hes> while I was going to lead into that so basically if you're lucky enough to be an erect state might check out a local dispensary because you're going to have more testing on those kind of products most likely it depends depends state state <hes> but yeah especially Jeez California. They're testing roles are very very strict <hes> so if you're in California and you can go to dispensary and find C._B._D.. Products in general the <hes> level purity of those products is is really good compared to most states yeah. That's the bulk of it. Keep an eye on the changing regulatory structure around C._D.. Eighty tried to keep an eye on what the F._D._A.'s talking about in relation to regulating C._d.. You know the way I see it could go a number of different ways <hes> as far as how they decided to <hes> provide some guidance on the C._D.. Industry they're third different precedents that have already been set in sort of natural products industry that could that the F._d._a.. Can Use to interpret what to do a C._D.. And <hes> you know they could take one stance where they say CDs drug can't be food food can't be a supplement <hes> and if it's going to be used in any other ways has to go through this rigorous approval process and they could take that approach <hes> another approach they could take is saying that that you know products that are fortified with high levels of C._B._D.. Are considered drugs but products that have natural occuring levels of C._D.. or not that's that's another approach. They could take that would totally change <hes> the way the industry stream matures <hes> or they could do something unique <hes> in view this as an opportunity to change the way that natural products are handled from regulatory perspective together like I said <hes> <hes> keep an eye out on the Dragon Cosmetics Act see if there's any talk of congress changing it in any way <hes> so yes staying up to date on all of that asking good questions and does he some common sense a to think because like we had said or I talked to before the show <hes> people are being misleading <hes> with their marketing stuff to the extreme <hes> making claims or her or <hes> you know just just be careful of what you're buying <hes> and and don't believe everything you read like I told you is that this gentleman on instagram is touting that. He came up and developed C._B._D.. Crystals <hes> you know a pure form of of C._B._D.. and which is B._S.. Because that's already been done a lot of while a lot of his chemistry things that were applying to cannabis already been done folks <hes> quite a long time ago ago so it's new to cannabis not new to the world yeah the the that's a really good point to make the processes so the technologies around making these extracts and everything <hes> most of them are are not new the applications or new the processes are getting tweaked to be optimized for cannabis but a lot of this technology has been around for very long time and fractional distillation that because it can of this no no no no yeah and I'm seeing a cycling's like as as an extraction technique or even testing even certain things in cultivation as there's high around technology <hes> there are people that claim they were the first to do it and not necessarily acknowledging that the natural products industry's been around for very long time and things like C._o.. Two extraction <unk> strategy distillation isolation <hes> these are all things that they're they're not new <hes> they are methods are getting tweaked to be optimized for canvas but they're not new and and <hes> another piece to going back to what I would tell. Consumers is another piece. I haven't touched on extremely important understanding dosage in another thing that I've seen on CD products is sometimes you'll see a label that says thousand thousand milligrams of what you know. It's like thousand milligrams and you'll look on the label and never see any distinction of is that C._d.. Or is that him if it's him is it hint biomass or hbextract if it's hbextract what kind of extract <hes> so being very critical of how dosage ing is being communicated on labels is extremely important for consumers to and if there's any ambiguity beauty on dosage ing I would look for different product <hes> because that's that's just so important and how are you going to going back to ideas of self inventory journaling all these things. How are you going to understand? What's working best for you if you don't even know with some accuracy <hes> what you're consuming and what the dosage is you know? It's you're basically GONNA try that product and learn what works for that product but it's not going to be applicable to anything else so you know reviewing dosage and once again it's super tricky because with the F._D._a.. And everything an approach that some companies take. I don't blame them for it because they're just trying to manage risk <hes> some companies don't even want to advertise. Advertised D._V._D.. And they just WanNa talk about him. Extract and just say you know this is legal hemp. It's a botanical extract in this product and they leave it at that and that helps them. <hes> belittle safer when it comes to F._D._A.. D._A. Enforcement <hes> but that doesn't necessarily help consumers that are trying to use C._B._D.. In any sophisticated way <hes> and like I said I don't I don't blame companies for taking that approach. I totally understand <hes> <music> but it's just important a nuance for consumers to to know about. If you see a hemp product <hes> yeah understand what the potency is in the source of C._B._D.. Is and if you see the term hemp oil man that is a loaded term because some companies are using like hempseed oil calling him boil other people are using <hes> resins extracted from him in saying that simple oil and so if you see that term hemp oil on a product ask some questions and understand what's really referring to especially if there's not any indication of C._B._D.. Potency <hes> because himse doyle's got very trace levels of C._B._D.. Not Very much at all compared to the resins that are predominantly C._B._d.. So that's just another another piece for consumers to know about <hes> good point way through just read labels carefully and if it's confusing there's ambiguity don't get it finds something else that you can trust and give these companies feedback if you see a company with the product on the shelf and they're labeling super confusing and you as a consumer can't decipher what the potency he is it makes sense of how to use that product and you have the time 'cause don't we all just have enormous amounts of extra time but if you have the time you know send that company <hes> message or calm up or something and say hey I wanted to buy your your product but you know these issues and <hes> you know some of those companies will take that to heart and try to improve what they're doing. You know we can all own a little bit of responsibility for helping <hes> cannabis it was industry whether it be in him for recreational campus or whatever to help bring it up to a higher standard by holding each other accountable providing constructive feedback and I would say respectful constructive feedback. I Ah Yeah just be careful. How you communicate with people? It's not valuable to just totally on somebody on instagram blow somebody up and you know custom out like that's not going to be a productive avoid forward to helping everybody perform better and to help consumers know. My only problem is and I've seen a lot of people react to that in that way is that I've seen C._B._D.. Companies on Instagram like I saw this one that had a mean they showed there's two different species cannabis or marijuana's. They put in a messiah off right there on. It's like okay so they said there's cannabis and there's hamp oh boy yeah started out real good and on the right side with cannabis as says this is the plant that contains T._H._c. and then it lists how boy it's is benefits if you will honest to God every Bennett this is a C._B._D.. Company every benefit on there was something that would have been found on reefer madness psychosis links to schizophrenia and everything just everything listed minutes is him not plant that doesn't contain any T._H._c. and then it's like anxiety relief the miracle yeah and it just list and I'm like this is coming from a C._B._D.. Company I I wanted to reach out and share my opinion. I didn't yeah well a lot of people apple did but it's like come on. Come on that's well. I'm hoping I'm going to try to come out with a cannabis community. Yeah Yeah No. That's the so many things so many issues that kind of stuff that was going to mislead some well. It's important for consumers for everyone to understand that product manufacturers and this is not necessarily inherently bad but part of manufacturers are trying to control the narrative and they're trying to control a narrative in general that favors them and so <hes> companies can be more or less ethical about that their ways to construct narratives that are honest and our educational and connecting people with <hes> reputable information that favors their company because their companies trying to do something better <hes> but then there are the companies that are constructing a totally <hes>. It's a totally totally false narrative <hes> to make their company look better <hes> without actually without any any real substance behind it and and so it's important to be skeptical of the narratives coming out of love <hes> you know from product manufacturers and like I said not all of them are bad or dishonest but you've gotta get be critical and <hes> you know something that I was asked by a product manufacturer recently to contribute to some educational the video content. They're making shots happy to do. I love doing that type of work and one of the things I talked about. I'm one of their videos was <hes> the difference between quote unquote him and marijuana in the first thing I say is they're the same plant they are both cannabis. They have different chemical profiles according to the way that we think of them now in the past they were differentiated more by their intended functions us <hes> but now with legal definitions. It's really all about chemical profile but even then still all the same genus. It's all cannabis. It's all it's all the same plant and there's of course the tax debate. How many species of cannabis are there and you know several different camps in that <hes> I tend to fall into the camp that there's one species and you know they're a variety of subspecies varieties under those and they're very respectable scientists that I that I like a lot that disagree with that and I understand why and it's sort of debate that will probably never end primarily because in science we can't even agree on what the word species even means but hinton marijuana same plant <hes> <hes> they just have chemical differences morphological differences but you can breed them together they create viable offspring and so you know I come from more of a biology background so you know Koreans the biological species model that's one species A._B._C.'s and well and and former farms no this already because they flip out about these hemp farms not using <hes> feminist seed right praises him farm yeah it's went out over on the new connecting highway there the expressway and it's a big hemp farm and they're not using feminist seed and they're getting a lot of shit for because that's going to spread a lot apollon well and he's farms are getting so big to that? You know this is a major major issues acres on Google maps. Yeah this is a huge issue that it's this super-critical for people to pay attention to especially if they WANNA get into cultivation her breeding <hes> these farms farms are going to be massive and some of them already are and when you get on that scale controlling for males unless you're like cloning or tissue culturing plants <hes> it's GonNa be impossible able it's the pollen is going to be out there. Let me you're GonNa get seated then yeah yeah and some of these big farmers don't care like they. They've got so much biomass like having seeds whatever and there's a lot of sympathy costco cereal right <hes> in that being said there are a lot of him farmers that do care and are trying to grow him for resin production and they value the exact same things <hes> that that that cannabis cultivators <hes> that are growing <hes> for the wreck space you know care about if you're growing for resin production broadly than you care a lot about whether or not there's Paul floating through there but that's something I'm keeping an eye on yeah. I really WANNA see how that battle out. Even those cost the could use them and is seed but even with that you know fifth seed is still not going to be perfect but come on when you're talking a lot better thousands. This is a acres right your chances definitely a lot but you're still going to have problems and so then you build it by like an expressway and I'm sure some we'll be right think of that just wind tunnels tunnels that just come as cycling all in all down and it can be carried for so far miles and miles and get one male can spread his kids all over. Oh Yes yes so I'm interested to see she held at how that shakes out in and how that'll be managed <hes> because right now I hear a lot of talk about it that people are upset about it in wanting to find some resolution listen <hes> in admit I'm not totally connected into some of the <hes> regulatory discussions around some of that now but <hes> to my knowledge there hasn't been any strong <hes> movement I tried to regulate that aspect of these of the cannabis industry broadly and and the interplay between growing canvas <hes> for purposes where you're not necessarily valuing resin and and then the resin production for can happen Wade's interpretive stuff yeah we'll see right now. What I hear is just these farms pop up that aren't managing for males in you know they get threats? Yeah you smell wouldn't be surprised we saw some of these farms. You know get vandalized or you know it's it's a sensitive sensitive thing. People have a lot of money adding on all the stuff so I just like you know just like <hes> growers that grow for T._H._C.. We you know they're going to be growing in the same areas the same regions right you know for for good growth but ran after Mike Peace somehow yeah. I don't see any of them Quinton. I do see him farms being significantly bigger <hes> than you know. You're T._H._C. Farms but yeah it's not going away. That's for sure so we have to find a way for these. These different different perspectives to to live peacefully together tricky okay. So what are we miss with the C._B._D.. Do we miss anything in your. I think we hit most of the important points. <hes> you know like I said keep an eye on the regulations. Don't take anything for granted. Don't assume that just because the C._B._C. industry so big that the F._d._a.. Can a cave under that pressure you think the the industry is going to be regulated by the F._D._a.. Like minded by default it is okay but shouldn't so it doesn't cannabis writing that fine line of should it be or should not be because yes so it's it's going to get into both could be oil C. C. N. F. D. Right. It's GonNa it's going to get into the same same areas where <hes> states are going to be coming up. At their own rules. The feds are going to have their own roles and it's probably going to create a tricky environment to operate in but as the feds regulate things more and more states states become less and less incentivized to create laws that contradict those rules <hes> so. I don't know how it's going to go but just don't don't take any of it for granted. Don't assume that <hes> I'm not going to be enforcement and one thing we didn't talk about that. I think is why the F._D._A.. Will Start to enforce rules against C._B._D.. Is I know that in Mississippi Right now I've gotten <hes> <hes> reports from people I know teachers that teach in high schools in Mississippi that say that one of the trains right now is kids are learning that there are some quote unquote C._B._D.. Products on the market that have high levels of Delta Eight T._H._C. Other types of T._H._C. that don't fall into what's regulated. They're not delta nine not T._H._C. Eight <hes> and they're using these <hes> to try to get intoxicated that creates a public health and safety risk in that is what will motivate the F._D._a.. To take more enforcement action and that's getting to be a bigger and bigger problem and there are some companies that could care less about that and just pushing his much of this out onto the market as possible and that is gonNa ruin things for everyone else. I think I'm disappointed to see that behavior but I'm not surprised because in a free market you know the niches will be filled. If there's a demand it will get filled by somebody who is willing to take on more risk than others and who has has less <hes> ethical concerns around there's multiple industries that use that method food chemically wise like look at the steroid industry with home or pro hormones. You know they're one just one little molecule. One little thing is different than than the original makes legal right yeah and you're getting the benefit. That's the whole concept around designer drugs just manipulate things a little bit so that falls outside of whatever their loss for and then you can keep going. That's going to affect the C._D.. Industry in a profound way. There's also a breakdown product of C._B._D.. That <hes> might be intoxicating as well can have an audio is basically the C._B._N.. Of C._B._D.. So when T._S._e.. Starts to degrade a one of the degradation products C._B._S. N._y._P._d.. Starts to degrade one of the degradation products is see B._N._d.. There's not a lot of information available about C._B._S.. Right now <hes> but it is I wanted to do some work with it. <hes> from a research standpoint it was hard to get standards for it because they're still controlled by the D._A.. Because of that reason and so there are so many nuances to the C._D.. Discussion and cannabis broadly and how this industry is developing thing <hes> that even though CD itself C._D.. Alone has been demonstrators being pretty safe and well tolerated among a lot of people there are still some public health and safety issues to be dealt with <hes>. They're not straightforward very forward and I expect that sooner or later <hes> the F._D._a.. And other regulatory bodies will catch onto those and <hes> will start to carve out some budgets for enforcement went around C._B._D.. Whereas right now the F._d._A.'s primarily going after people making medical claims or that are <hes> putting out bogus products? I mean back in like two thousand going to get it wrong. I think it was two thousand eighteen in two thousand seventeen or so the F._D._a.. Actually went around got a bunch of C._B._D.. Products tested them to see if the label claims were accurate and they found a lot of the products didn't contain C._B._D.. And didn't contain contaminates at all and then a lot of them of course that had C._B._D.. Was Not in the concentration that said is truly seamounts all this stuff I would be concerned about yeah and so you know the feds are wrapping their minds around this and trying to figure out how to proceed especially in the context of the laws that already exist around drugs food and cosmetics and and balancing that with perceived risks to public health and safety well now isn't there could be completely off basis here but isn't there some sort of CD toxicity can get too much in your system. We'll yeah with anything. That's something that I don't have numbers on smoking cannabis or something but I mean like if you had some sorta causes so some of the in some of the clinical trials that have been done with C._B._D.. On they found that at certain dosages people start to have gastro intestinal distress <hes> can cause some in some people some nausea in then some fairly severe lethargy as well and get into this higher dosages <hes> so certainly there. There are the side effects. There's also you know C._d.. Affects the way the liver processes assesses other drugs and so in higher dosage is that affect can be really pronounced and so it can be dangerous to consume high levels of C._B._D.. If you're also taking certain drugs like blood thinner drugs chemotherapy drugs <hes> that if the levels get off that could kill you potentially. It's really important to be aware of that. It's one reason why I'm trying to do more and more work with doctors and nurses <hes> to bring attention to that because right now people are nervous scared apprehensive whatever to talk to their own healthcare professionals about C._B._D.. Or the candidacies broadly because a lot of doctors and nurses don't know anything about it but from my perspective especially with C._B._D.. <hes> you know this effect of affecting the liver enzymes these four fifty enzymes that breakdown a lot of common drugs. It's commonly referred to as the grapefruit effect in some medication to teach this for several years some medications that you get will have a little grapefruit warning on it. <hes> well the effect that according to some of the research. That's been done the effect that C._B.. Has On these enzymes compared to grapefruit is actually stronger and so understanding that aspect at what point is C.. D. GonNa Cause <hes> some problems with other medications. Being metabolised which in essence is going to raise the concentrations of those drugs over time in someone's body if they're staying on their same schedule of taking that medication same time every day and then they're changing the way it's being metabolize you can and get more and more of that in the blood so understanding that piece so there's a safety aspect there <hes> so yes there are <hes> some safety issues to be aware at whereof in most cases in most those products as they're available currently these lower dosages most of that is not a problem but you know that all has to be teased out <hes> for sure wow so much. Oh yes G._e.'s chance nothing simple. No no no and I just going into this. I didn't realize seaweed. He was going to be back in two thousand fifteen. I was just worried about you know buying flower legally right yeah now. There's just so much just so in-depth with that and C._B._D.. That it's just yeah and there's so much investment money and everything coming into these industries. That's almost like C._B._D.'s getting more like. If you look at these companies like yeah there was a handful of big <hes> companies that jumped on board with instill are with the T._H._C. side of bigger future A._D.. I mean there's they popped up like ant hills everywhere and after the C._d.. Thing plays out it'll be C._G.. And you know the hype we'll go from the next thing in the next thing as the reality of of <hes> the benefits and limitations of these products matures. I think I'm going to stick with my my broad spent my full spectrum according to the box but broad spectrum and you now I I you talked about keeping a personal diary type thing I._D.. That and I've noticed I've added some details only because of packaging but I do it with my flower and a lot of packaging now has the top like say five to eight Turpin profile and so I'm starting to label those now yeah and not that I'm going to I'll I know some information either. I do see some patterns but it's hard when everything has mersing. I know it's something something that I I get cracked up about. Sometimes with a couple of them you see all the time right I mean in cannabis <hes> you're going to see high levels of mercy and bakery off lane <hes> you're going to see decent levels pioneering no will some of those yeah in lentil like immersing will sort of its process a breaking down it can become a little Jurani all and so the reason sometimes that you see <hes> consistently insistently Leno will drain on some other terrapins there sometimes it's because the the plan is synthesizing those but it's also because mercy is degrading down into those as well so yeah it's it's tricky and the whole Turpin thing I'm GonNa do whole episode about her Paeans and trying to review that critically there's so join so much hype about Europeans and some of it's some of it's warranted and and some of it is just so overblown so many claims being made that are unsubstantiated that I mentioned to have some some really critical discussions about that well. The turpin boat has has sailed because it's <music> <hes> with just a runaway train and I understand that people really into it's no different than a beer wine Amin. You're essentially appreciating the turpin those products to yeah. That's consolidating factor for human. I think yeah consumable in the hops industry turpin profiles are a really big deal and there's all sorts of sophisticated analytical techniques to evaluate Turpin so there's a there's a really cool device that I'd love to use one day that connects to a gas chromatograph that it's called the sniffer S._N._F.. Are and has knows piece literally. Put your nose into it yet the samples running through the G. C. and so the the compounds are getting separated in their volatile is in your actually smelling them as they're coming out and your dictating <hes> what you're experiencing while you're smelling them and everything and then at the end you can see your chromatic Graham that shows you the peaks concentrations ends of all those turbines what they are and then you can run you can see your time stamps of different comments he made and go back in review and have this very sophisticated <hes> no organoleptic evaluation of of the Turpin teens in product and that's been going on in the wine industries for awhile and it'll catch up to cannabis to for sure yeah and I'm not I'm not shocked at all. I just I there hydrocarbons right hydrocare. Yes okay. Let's make that clear. Turpin are hydrocarbons. I've had a lot of discussions more like their organic compounds. Yes and one way to I was GONNA say Holly Volvo One way to show that as you can leave your sauce diamonds open for a couple hours and it'll be mazed basically just dried up diamonds. You know it goes way quick to alcohol. It is the fact that you're smelling ailing. It means that it's volatile -tising right absolutely and I found that interesting that we enjoy Turpin so much so one of the easiest concentrates to make would be your diamonds the sauce and that's just separating the turns out you know to and it's just full flavor man Dan yeah and I have some have several scientists colleagues of mine that I'm looking forward to talking to about the toxicity of Europeans <hes> because I have some questions that may become concerns seconds about <hes> the safety of smoking high concentrations of Europeans <hes> I on the curious about cannabis <hes> social media pages recently I <hes> shared an article that came out a couple years ago fairly recent talking about the degradation products of common monitor pins so looking at like Marsin Liming lentil those are the main three they looked at and in the context of DABBING and they found that <hes> those compounds is quickly become benzene which is highly carcinogenic and a few other products that are very irritating to tissues may exhibit some <hes> you know they may also be Carson genetic and trying to <hes> find that balance and how to minimize potential exposure to some of those byproducts by using lower temperatures ideally <hes> I saw that article you'd posted you're not article but the share yeah just excerpt yeah you know and the keys you'll never if you want to smoke. You're never going to eliminate exposure to carcinogens. That's for thing <hes> but you can definitely <hes> minimize that exposure and that's what I'm interested in understanding how to get that information of people is how they can <hes> reduce any harms associated with their cannabis use if they've decided you WanNa do that <hes> than let's find the best way right right and you know it could be that <hes> doing concentration near extract hits and stuff like that could be worse that way when it comes to the the concentration of the bad stuff and there's not the same sort of long-term safety data available for concentrate consumption like we have for flower <hes> these are relatively new products on the market much different than the traditional hashish. You know that it'd been around for a long time <hes> and so you know I think it's important to remain critical and accepting of new information as it comes out <hes> and once again I keep saying hang at that personal inventory of like what are you care about what you after with your health and wellness and <hes> and how can your behaviors with anything you're consuming <hes> no support <hes> your objectives when it comes to your health and wellness and if you're fine smoking and being exposed to the sorts of things fine Ju- trying to find the best way do it so they keep yourself safe fossil thankfully turbines don't taste worst the hotter they get right so you have intrinsic motivation. He's had some motivation and keep a low in fact I keep pushing it lower lower and lower you find a balance between using the material efficiently not wasting it and and keeping it real low because one degree down Maury worry Disney brings out just a little bit more and you keep getting but then he pushed it too far and it just wasted yeah totally but yeah so that's another argument to to not <hes> not overheat your extracts. You don't WanNa be inhaling a bunch of benzene definitely not and I and that's part of what's happening when you're losing that flavor. It's just because those Turkey molecules are breaking up into their component. I supreme units and then coming back together to form these these nice pretty rings. That's Benzine is these these molecular rings. Thanks the unfortunately like if you were to could be it gets the point where smoking you know like <hes> t._H._C. Crystals might be healthier rather than and having just a bunch of Europeans that are being volatile used in there as well yeah that remains to be seen see all right well. Let's wrap up with what you got going on curious about cannabis now. You don't have the website up yet. Well I've got it's is technically live. There's just nothing there yet. I'm so I'm working on getting episode zero ready at least like a little bit sneak peek content that I'll post up there <hes> so people can get some understanding <hes>. Everybody's got an episode zero Yep I do. I try. I never to listen to it. Yeah I know yeah that's going to be the worst episode you have because everything beyond that it just gives them better better yeah. I know I'm trying to get over that like I said let it go. I'm so nervous and listened to mine. I go back into my Ooh Yeah I. I hope people like it. I hope that what people recognize that I'm I'm really trying to do the best that I can <hes> to to connect people with these critical discussions and reliable information about cannabis and it's it doesn't have an agenda. It's not pro cannabis. It's not anti cannabis. It's just like what's going on with reality. How do we sort through that and so you know there will likely be things that some pro cannabis folks here that they may not like but there will be other things that here is that they like a lot and likewise folks that are very anti canvas there are things they hear that probably road them the wrong way and other things that they'll they'll think is appropriate and so just kinda brace for that it is about critical discussions about cannabis <hes> and so I imagine I'll have people on either side of the I'll hating me by the end of it which tells me hopefully I'm doing something right as an educator and hopefully that'll spark some broader discussions in the <hes> in our communities about the stuff so C._A._C.? PODCAST DOT COM is where he can go to find episodes subscribing everything once content gets reported there other than that. Are you gonNa hit all. Are you gonNa hit all the platforms yeah yeah. My intention is to get primarily on itunes spotify Google stitcher all the major ones <hes> <hes> as well as direct streaming website if people want that as well <hes> and beyond that <hes> be on the lookout <hes> late this year early next year for the next revision of curious about cannabis book doc shooting myself in the foot foot by saying that because now no one's going to buy the current edition J. Snow By. I'll get a copy also working on strategies. Try to get the price down <hes> and that's that's just been a struggle thank you can. They get your book on Amazon. Yes book is currently available on Amazon <hes> surfer curious about cannabis. You'll find it also on I g you're curious about Kennedy on instagram accurate about cannabis on dot o- on twitter where at about cannabis <hes> <hes> and then on facebook you just have to search for us. I tried to make a nice tag on facebook but they shut me down because it had cannabis in the name a good at the so it has some crazy link but if you search for it you'll find it just in total honesty of not very active on facebook <hes> primarily instagram twitter <hes> that you can connect with us and and all encourage people to connect with us because you know I'm doing these interviews right now for the podcast and it's a unique opportunity for people and influence the way the show develops if they connect with us right now and tell us what you WanNa learn about what you're interested in. I mean I valued that a lot to try to make sure that the content that I develop is going to actually address the real questions that people have <hes> <hes> and so as much feedback people can give me about what they're curious about. <hes> that's GONNA go a long way to make the show better so really encourage people to connect <hes> on there and you can also find information about the book at it curious about cannabis book dotcom. Someone snatched the curious about cannabis domain from me so unfortunately you have to do curious about campus book to get there. We all know about domain yeah yeah. It's a constant struggle other other than that. I'm also doing some interesting work with local nonprofit here that will make sure people know about it's called the Oregon Cannabis Education and Resource Center and we're kind of just now trying to get that organization off the ground <hes> trying to figure out some events to connect with community. Do some education work. Basically it's a nonprofit that wants to help <hes> connect the local community with reputable information about cannabis help connect businesses to each other to share expertise and information nation all sorts of different levels of education there. My role is more in helping <hes> guide any programs that <hes> are involved with cannabis science education that sort of thing <hes> but we're starting to develop a a nice little team team there and that nonprofit. I'm excited to see what it's able to do. <hes> in the upcoming years in so you can find that it oh C._R._C. Dot Org <hes> and just search for <hes> Oregon Canvas Education Resource Center on most of the social from your platforms and you'll find it <hes> working on a for this year <hes> trying to see if we can pull off some sort of <hes> industry equipment swap <hes> kind of event to get people to come together her and <hes> share information about cultivation <hes> extraction product manufacturing equipment. That's thing <hes> have some knowledge here and going on and have some like seminars going on as well at that event event and just try to get people to find room where they can work together trade equipment sell equipment whatever <hes> just as a starting point on just to help raise the money and ultimately we want to try to have a physical location where have a library very and and <hes> a real resource <hes> here in the valley grew so like I said just starting but if anyone's interested learn more about that I'm just look up. Oh C._R._C. Dot Org and if you want to give the money please do. They need lots of it to get started. Yeah and that's yeah. That's most of what I'm going on. <hes> I'm doing a lot of <hes> consulting space so if anyone's interested in learning more about <hes> quality management in their production operations nations or trying to understand some the nuances round testing or <hes> G._N._p.. Compliance all that stuff <hes> reach out to me and I'm happy to try to find ways I can try to add value where I can to help companies succeed and improve quality and do better than chief whatever goals to have and really try to prepare for whatever the future is in regards to the F._D._a.. <hes> and you got a number of other little things going on that in hoping I get to share soon's research projects and stuff that <hes> that I'm excited about <hes> all right everybody Jason Wilson. You're killing it brother. Thanks Fan yeah stuck to talk to you again and to I always love having you on it'll be weird being different seat but yeah absolutely <hes> but great having Yon. We're going to keep being you gotTa keep bringing the knowledge yeah. I know you're going to have a great podcast thank you. I really appreciate that yeah. I'm sure people are going to be crossed over real easily everybody but it won't you know all your episodes rock on our so. I'm sure thanks it's going to come right over and work well for you but very proud of you. Thanks keep up the hustle glad you're in the game. Yeah man education is that's going to be my focus now so just so everybody knows where to find him got any questions. Just find on I G and and you can reach out <hes> give some feedback even yeah yeah. Totally I especially even about the book you know like I said respectful constructive criticism but <hes> I want to solicit feedback and I want all of the educational work that I do too <hes> just improve over time and the only way that can happen is for people to get feedback <hes> so yes. Please tell me what you think. Tell me what works with doesn't work for you and <hes> it's just GonNa help me do better. I'm not gonNA take it personally so <hes> yeah and I'm hoping by the end of the year two. I'm GonNa Start doing workshops again so I'll <hes> followed the social media platforms and I'm trying to get a newsletter letter going soon so I could keep people up to date on that several years ago. I was doing some fairly intensive like six week eight week Kenneth Science workshops and a really misdoing those so I'm GonNa try to get those going again federal demand for that those were cool stuff stuff. You're doing it in the past that was exactly but a lot of education you've brought out in person like that with some stuff has been really good stuff all right brother. Thanks very much about cannabis left <music>.

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